EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 70, Issue 02 This issue's topics: Notation Software Composition (2 messages) Speachless (re:Compostion) Composition (2 messages) Speachless (re:Compostion) Composition (2 messages) Speachless (re:Compostion) Composition (7 messages) Music Notation (was Composition) Composition Notation Software for Windows Notation software a finale question (2 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . Please send articles to emusic-l@american.edu. Administrative mail should be directed to the editor at the address above. You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:35:43 -0500 From: "Keith W. Holt" Subject: Composition I am looking for a good music notation software for windows. I use Traxx for all my sequencing, but can print parts from it. I know Finale is the top for the MAC, but I live in the world of windows. Can anyone help? Let me know! Keith W. Holt niteout1@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:34:17 -0500 From: "Joseph D. Lance, Jr." Subject: Re: Composition Hey. I too am in Microsoft's clutches with a Windows-dependence syndrome. My ideas for budget-based software are Cakewalk Pro from 12Tone or possibly Encore by Passport, which is the sister program of the upgrade of Trax, Master Tracks Pro. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 10:10:46 -0500 From: "Mark D. Hanson" Subject: Speachless (re:Compostion) >Hey. I too am in Microsoft's clutches with a Windows-dependence >syndrome. My ideas for budget-based software are Cakewalk Pro >from 12Tone or possibly Encore by Passport, which is the sister >program of the upgrade of Trax, Master Tracks Pro. Am using CWalkPro/Win and it really works great except there is no text entry available...like lyrics etc....at least not that I can see...am I missing something?? Mark D. Hanson HansonMD@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:08:28 -0500 From: "ED BERLETT, MUSIC PREPARATORY" Subject: Re: Composition >I am looking for a good music notation software for windows. I use Traxx for >all my sequencing, but can print parts from it. I know Finale is the top for >the MAC, but I live in the world of windows. Can anyone help? Let me know! > >Keith W. Holt >niteout1@aol.com Finale 3.0 for windows (FinWin) works just like Finale for the Mac. It's got a lot to offer, but expect a steep learning curve. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:57:34 -0500 From: Joe Holiday Subject: Re: Composition I have to agree, I use Mac version of Finale. i also use Encore. Finale has NO limitations. in some cases this is a good thing. In many cases, it is overkill. The time spent learning pays off down the road. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:28:34 +1100 From: DAVID O'DONOGHUE Subject: Re: Speachless (re:Compostion) Reply to message text: >Am using CWalkPro/Win and it really works great except there is no text entry >available...like lyrics etc....at least not that I can see...am I missing >something?? >Mark D. Hanson >HansonMD@aol.com Are you using version 3.0? Here's some text from the manual (page 130): If your song includes lyrics, these will appear in the Staff view. One option for adding lyrics to a song is to select LYRICS from the NEW dropdown list under the VIEW menu. For more detail see the Lyrics view chapter. Another option is to add the lyrics directly to the Staff view. To do so, select the pencil tool and move the cursor underneath the lowest note on the staff. Continue to move the cursor down until the pencil appears with a capital "T" next to it; then click. If the cursor is properly positioned under the note, you will see an insertion box. After typing each word, press SPACEBAR to advance to the next note, use HYPHENS to serparate a word by syllables. Each syllable will be alligned with a single note in that track. Hope this helps David O'Donoghoe DODON@OZEMAIL.COM.AU ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 23:54:51 -0500 From: Davvid Brooks Subject: Re: Composition Buy a used MAC. Most are 1/5 list and the learning curve is elementary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 01:51:05 -0500 From: Joe Holiday Subject: Re: Composition Depends on what you mean by earning curve.. Deep software on any platform is steep. I have used and have told people to go Mac for 8 years now... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 19:18:00 -0500 From: Peter Kirn Subject: Re: Speachless (re:Compostion) Cakewalk Pro for Windows 3.0 is the version that I believe added lyrics. I don't much like the idea of an integrated notation program myself -- to me, the two are different applications. When I'm working on a project, I'm usually either doing a studio project with myself where there's no need for notation or focusing on live performance, where MIDI sequencing features are to me simply "prototyping" aids, and I'd rather focus on notation. I think it's a toss-up right now for notation between Encore and Finale. Encore is much easier to use, but I haven't found online help, which is disappointing, and it lacks some of Finale's functionality. Also, Finale has made inroads in terms of ease of use. Encore's my favorite because of its interface, though. Right now I'm using it with Vision for Windows. I'd have to reccomend a high-end program, however; you can get by without a pro-level sequencer but not really a notation program. Low end generally translates as headaches: with Passport, it's the same interface in MusicTIme and you have a much more limited vocabulary. Kind of like having a keyboard with 23 letters of the alphabet. I'll assume this is on-topic as there is no computer software mailing list? Peter Kirn - Jensoft Media PeteKirn@aol.com 5:20:01 p on 11/23/94 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 07:57:37 -0500 From: Greg Dorter Subject: Re: Purpose of list. > > I am mainly a classical musician who composes using a sequencer with my MAC > > llcx. I also use "instruments" from my Ensonic ASR 10 in my compositional > > work. > > I would be most interested in hearing from musicians who may be doing similar > > work. I joined the list a few months ago, but stopped receiving mail almost immediately because of the high volume of equipment questions and how do I (connect my MIDI keyboard to my computer, etc) questions. I recently began receiving mail again, and now am sad to find out I missed a discussion on 12-tone music. I am a classical composer at a university (grad student) and would welcome threads concerning classical electronic and computer music. If anyone starts anything, I promise to comment (though I don't use a sequencer that much -- MAX mainly, and they have their own list --and I don't have an Ensonic ASR 10). Greg Dorter University of Western Ontario 215 Bernard Ave. gdorter@julian.uwo.ca London, ON N6A 2M9 519-438-2287 CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:35:11 PST From: Casey Dunn Subject: Re: Purpose of list. hey joe, out of curiosity, how large is this list? cd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:10:54 -0700 From: Doug Wellington Subject: Re: Purpose of list. (and 12 tone tutorial) Joe wrote: >The best way to get discussion on a topic you're interested in is to post >on that topic and lure people out of the woodwork. There was quite a >discussion about Shoenberg and 12-tone techniques and esthetics around >the beginning of October; a lot of people who I hadn't seen post before >had interesting contributions. (I'm still waiting for that 12-tone >tutorial someone mentioned...) Oooops, that would be me... Well, I've been pretty sidetracked with some private email that ensued after the discussion we had back in September... (The guilty party knows exactly who they are, DON'T THEY???????) ;-) It's amazing how your ideas solidify when you talk about them, explain them to others... This is a busy time of year, so begging everyone's pardon, I probably won't get to anything substantive until after the holidays... If there is enough interest, I can probably get at least a brief intro to creating a tone row and doing the basic manipulations on it sooner than that... I also have a short bibliography of pertinent writings that I will be happy to send out to anyone who wants it... -Doug Doug Wellington doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov System and Network Administrator US Geological Survey Tucson, AZ Project Office According to proposed Federal guidelines, this message is a "non-record". Hmm, I wonder if _everything_ I say is a "non-record"... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 14:09:00 -0800 From: "Bourgouin, Gaetan" Subject: Re: Composition >I am looking for a good music notation software for windows. I use Traxx >for all my sequencing, but can print parts from it. I know Finale is the top >for the MAC, but I live in the world of windows. Can anyone help? Let me >know! > >Keith W. Holt >niteout1@aol.com Ever heard of CUbase from Steinberg?? This package is really doing everything ,from editing to printing to etc.. Steinberg is devoted to music software , they are the leader and the pionneers especially on Atari and Amiga computers . Now they are in dos and windows versions as well in Mackintosh version . quite expensive ,they came out with CUbase Lite witch sell for about $100 canadian. Probably there is some users on this list or on SYNTH-L list who can give their comments too . Gaetan Bourgouin gbourgou@po2.mtl.marconi.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:47:42 -0500 From: Joe Holiday Subject: Re: Composition I would imagine CuBase isnt often discussed as it is a newcomer to the game... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 16:28:15 CST From: Louis Pape Subject: Re: Composition There is of course FINALE for Windows which is now out. List is about $750, but discounted to about $500 and academic price is even lower. It is manufactured by Coda in Minneapolis. Cheers. Lou Pape ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 16:50:25 -0700 From: kenneth lee hankins Subject: Re: Composition for windows use Cakewalk pro i think it is like in version 2.0 for windows now.. i plan on using it when i get my computer. joy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 16:42:22 PST From: Chris Sherwood Subject: Re: Composition |From: kenneth lee hankins (or Joy) | |> I am looking for a good music notation software for windows. | [...] |for windows use Cakewalk pro i think it is like in version 2.0 for |windows now.. i plan on using it when i get my computer. I use cakewalk as well (which is on 3.0 now), but it's not know for being the best notation program (I use it strictly as a sequncer). All of the reports I've read suggest that 3.0 was a big improvement though, so you might want to check it out -- but all of the info I read suggests to stick with the well-know notation pros (which I personally don't know a lot about). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 00:59:22 -0500 From: "Donald R. Carroll,Jr." Subject: Re: Composition >I am looking for good notation software for windows. >I use Traxx... This may be helpful concerning notation software. Even though Cakewalk Pro 3.0 for windows is more a sequencing engine , it is a very good notation program. It allows printing,graphical manipulation of controllers,piano rolls,event lists, and musical staff views. I find it a pleasure to use. I have composed many pieces using it. You'll find *.wrk files on many BBS. It sells for $349US from Twelve Tone Systems. Don Carroll dcarr45645@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:19:13 LCL From: Roman Belavkin Subject: Re: Composition >|From: kenneth lee hankins (or Joy) >| >|> I am looking for a good music notation software for windows. >| [...] >|for windows use Cakewalk pro i think it is like in version 2.0 for >|windows now.. i plan on using it when i get my computer. > >I use cakewalk as well (which is on 3.0 now), I've heared about 4.0. Though i hate it anyway ;) > but it's not know for >being the best notation program (I use it strictly as a sequncer). I treat the Cubase to be a very good studio and Master Tracks of Passport to be the best home sequencers. >suggests to stick with the well-know notation pros (which I personally >don't know a lot about). The best notators are Encore from Passoprt and Notator Logic. Cubase Score is also very good. Some great Regards Roman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 07:23:21 -0500 From: Greg Dorter Subject: Re: Music Notation (was Composition) Use Finale for Windows. Greg Dorter University of Western Ontario 215 Bernard Ave. gdorter@julian.uwo.ca London, ON N6A 2M9 519-438-2287 CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:18:00 -0800 From: Peter Mueller Subject: Re[2]: Composition The notation program that most publishers of music us is Score (its for pcs), but being a Mac user of Finale, I don't know much about it. Finale for Windows seems like something you might want to check out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:41:28 -0800 From: Peter Elsea Subject: Notation software for windows Keith Holt and others write: >I am looking for a good music notation software for windows. I use Traxx for >all my sequencing, but can print parts from it. I know Finale is the top for >the MAC, but I live in the world of windows. Can anyone help? Let me know! There is a windows version of Finale, which lists for $750 and sells for $550.(There is an academic version for a good deal less if you are a student.) Finale is difficult to learn but eventually gives good results. I have it on good authority that ConcertWare is about to be released in a windows version, probably for under $300. Concertware is very easy to learn, and does about 90% of what Finale does. The best notation program anywhere is SCORE, which runs in DOS. It is extremely difficult to use but gives engraver's quality output. It is used by all major publishers. It cost $800 Disclaimer: I used to consult for the designers of Concertware, but have no association with the company that now owns it. Peter Elsea UCSC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 06:13:47 EST From: Christian Roth <100321.1763@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: notation software Hi! I was wondering why nobody included Cubase Score into the discussion of notation programs. I find it very useful and relatively easy to use. Plus, it's available on all platforms - file compatable. regards, Chris (Gaenserndorf / Austria) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:09:00 PST From: Craig Marks Subject: a finale question I use Finale 3.01. Whenever I'm working on a multiple part score, and/or when the length of the score gets longer than approx. 50 bars, the program gets very slow. The screen sometimes can take up to 30 seconds to redraw itself and functions like rebarring might take up to 1/2 hour. This obviously slows my scoring process significantly. Is this normal? Is it a bug in the program? Is there something I can do to keep it from happening? Thanks for an y suggestions you might have. -Craig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:23:51 -0500 From: "ED BERLETT, MUSIC PREPARATORY" Subject: Re: a finale question >>>I use Finale 3.01. Whenever I'm working on a multiple part score, >>>and/or when the length of the score gets longer than approx. 50 bars, >>>the program gets very slow. The screen sometimes can take up to >>> 30 seconds to redraw itself and functions like rebarring might take up >>>to 1/2 hour. This obviously slows my scoring process significantly. >>>Is this normal? Is it a bug in the program? Is there something I can >>>do to keep it from happening? Thanks for any suggestions you might have. >>> -Craig What are you running it on? BTW there is a Finale list. ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************