EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 70, Issue 13 This issue's topics: Mac topics Patchbay (7 messages) On being wrong Using MAC as sampler (2 messages) Mac/Midi Converter MAX? (6 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . Please send articles to emusic-l@american.edu. Administrative mail should be directed to the editor at the address above. You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 09:28:06 -0500 From: David Heath Subject: Patchbay I am trying to make adobe premier work with my sequencing software. I found out I needed midi manager to do it but now I find I cann't reconfigure it without another program. I read about this one called patchbay but didn't find out if it is commercial or if it is available on the net. If someone would please let me know where to find it or some other substitute thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:48:27 +1000 From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Patchbay Hello David, I got my copy of Patchbay with my Opcode Studio 3 interface and MAX software. They also have licensed copies of the Apple MIDI Manager. Patchbay, as far as I can remember, is a patching system for the MIDI Manager and will enable any MIDI MAnager-compatible applications to talk to one another. That is, if you want to send the output of your sequencer to the input of MAX, you can do it without the MIDI data leaving the computer. You probably know this stuff already. Opcode's own Open Music System (OMS, used to be called Opcode MIDI System) has been supported by a number of other developers, and will work with or without the MIDI Manager. But, once again, your software has to be compatible. I set mine up with the MIDI Manager, because the only OMS- compatible sotware I run is Max, but my sequencer works with the MIDI Manager. Patchbay comes in two forms: as a desk accessory, or as a stand-alone application. If you run it as a DA, you might find that the memory partition is not big enough to accommodate many patchable entities or MIDI ports. So run the app version, which grabs more RAM, so it can handle bigger configurations and set-up files. If any of this is wrong, I'm sure someone out there will correct me. Good Lick, (Sorry, good luck!) David. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:13:30 EST From: "" Subject: Re: Patchbay David Heath wrote-- >I am trying to make adobe premier work with my sequencing software. I >found out I needed midi manager to do it but now I find I cann't >reconfigure it without another program. I read about this one called >patchbay but didn't find out if it is commercial or if it is available on >the net. If someone would please let me know where to find it or some >other substitute > Hi David Patchbay for Macs is (was) distributed with the demo version of the Lime notation package (must be Lime week this week). Look for *Limedemo* on your favourite ftp site, or email me for details. Don't know if it's shareware or what, but the documentation will doubtless tell you. Happy hunting Clive Clive McFarland CSIRO Australia clive@pelican.dbe.csiro.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 16:39:42 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Patchbay >If any of this is wrong, I'm sure someone out there will correct me. Nope, all looks kosher. It's a pleasant surprise... Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:44:36 +1000 From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Patchbay Nick Rothwell says: >Nope, all looks kosher. It's a pleasant surprise... Gee, Nick, thanks! But is it so unusual to find that people are correct? Just to keep up the thread, some one else might know where Patchbay can be obtained. As I said in my last communique, I got mine with Opcode software. Regards, David. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:54:28 EST From: "" Subject: Re: Patchbay David Rodger wrote-- > >Just to keep up the thread, some one else might know where Patchbay can be >obtained. As I said in my last communique, I got mine with Opcode software. > I posted this last week, but strange things were happening to our system (thunderstorm season in Sydney) so it may not have made it to the list. Apologies if you've already seen it:- Patchbay for Macs is (was) distributed with the demo version of the Lime notation package (must be Lime week this week). Look for *Limedemo* on your favourite ftp site, or email me for details. Don't know if it's shareware or what, but the documentation will doubtless tell you. Happy hunting Clive Clive McFarland CSIRO Australia clive@pelican.dbe.csiro.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 22:52:44 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Patchbay >Gee, Nick, thanks! But is it so unusual to find that people are correct? Is this a trick question? Here's an experiment for you: go onto USEnet, or CompuSpend, or PAN, and ask a question such as: what is the problem with MIDI and PowerBooks, or: what are the differences between the Wavestation models, or: what is the latest software for a Roland D-70. I guarantee you'll get a wide variety of answers, even from "reputable" sources. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:25:12 -0800 From: atomic city Subject: On being wrong David Rodger writes-- > >Nick Rothwell says: > >>Nope, all looks kosher. It's a pleasant surprise... > >Gee, Nick, thanks! But is it so unusual to find that people are correct? Hell, yes. I've seen a perfectly simple question that could be answered in two lines of text by one person with access to an accurate reference book or magazine article be hashed over by twenty to thirty people going on memory, all of whom say something different and all of whom are wrong. The hardest lesson I ever learned in eight years plus on the Net is when to shut the hell up because I don't have facts at hand, and I still make mistakes. All I can hope is that they're rarer nowadays.... -- mike metlay | *** Words of Wisdom from Team Metlay # 27: *** atomic city | p.o.box 81175 | "Inspiration likes to go on strike when the hardware's pgh pa 15217-0675 | working." atomic@netcom.com | -- Eirikur "no funny quote" Hallgrimsson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:19:57 -0500 From: Ted Johnson Subject: Using MAC as sampler I am very excited about my new PowerMac because it has 16-bit sound, the only think is that I have yet found a way to take advantage of it. Here is what I want to do: I want some way that I can use the Mac as a sampler. In other words, is there a program that will let me load up a bunch of samples and assign MIDI channels to them so that I can access them through my sequencer (Mastertracks Pro) as if the Mac internal sounds were a seperate midi instrument just like my keyboard, drum machine, etc. This program would have to run in the background while my sequencer is also running.... or is there a different sequencer that has the feature of letting you use the internal mac sounds built in? (But I'd rather have it seperate since I'm so used to Mastertracks.) If anyone knows if such a program exists, please tell me about it.... Thanks. --MacBruin@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 14:59:04 +0800 From: Mon-chu Chen Subject: Re: Using MAC as sampler > want to do: I want some way that I can use the Mac as a sampler. In other > words, is there a program that will let me load up a bunch of samples and > assign MIDI channels to them so that I can access them through my sequencer > (Mastertracks Pro) as if the Mac internal sounds were a seperate midi > instrument just like my keyboard, drum machine, etc. This program would have In fact, Apple's QuickTime 2.0 does have this ability. You can simply playback the MIDI file with the Apple's SimpleText. I have heard that the default timbre program number setting of QuickTime 2.0 is General MIDI compatible. I think what you should do is just to wait the companies who published the sequence softwares begin to support the new feature. Beside that, I am not sure if QuickTime 2.0 provides alternative timber or not. If not, than Mac will be only a synthesizer but a sampler. -- Mon-chu Chen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:08:55 -0600 From: Jon Krocker Subject: Mac/Midi Converter I use an Opcode MIDI Translator II. It has 1 in and 3 outs. It also has a thru switch :-) and in/out status leds which are great for trouble shooting. Best of all is it costs US$42.98 (MacZone) Jon Krocker jkrocker@mbnet.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:48:18 -0800 From: Peter Elsea Subject: MAX? Max is a graphically oriented real time MIDI data processing environment. What you do is fill the screen with little boxes, each representing some simple or arcane function. You connect the boxes with lines to control the flow of data. Max patches can be extremely powerful, doing things like orchestrating melodies in real time, or generating complex algorithmic compositions. For instance, I am currently working up some experiments wherein I treat chords as attractors and develop gradual transitions between tonalities (generating hundreds of notes in the manner of P Glass). Another handy patch watches MIDI Time Code input and kickstarts Concertware on cue. Max ships with about 200 function objects. If that isn't enough for you, you can write more in C. This is seldom necessary, because a complete patch can become an object in another patch. I could start a flame war by saying MAX is just too much fun for the PC, but I won't. Actually the non availablity of PC MAX is probably purely economic. MAX was born in academia (it was written by Miller Puckette at IRCAM) and was sort of bootleg until Opcode and David Zircarelli made a product out of it. While we Maxers are very enthusiastic, it really isn't a commercial thing. Peter Elsea UCSC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:31:05 -0600 From: Siberian Khatru Subject: MAX? Hello all, I've seen a number of references to MAX. I understand that it is some sort of modular quasi-operating system for electronic music--synthesis, MIDI, and others that I don't know about (Radio Baton, etc.). Could someone fill me in on exactly WHAT MAX is? (What I wrote above is all that I know about it...) Also, I understand that it is not available for IBM-type machines. Why is this? (Please, no "fiery" answers like, "IBMs just can't hack it!" or "IBMs make a better doorstop than a Music Workstation!" I don't want to start the platform wars all over again!) I'm wondering why it hasn't been "port"ed to the IBM yet. Thank you in advance for those of you who don't attack my ignorance of the subject... Cheers, Jon Southwood ****************************************************************************** "Critics are like eunuchs in a harem. They're there every night, they see it done every night, the see how it should be done every night, but they can't do it themselves."-Brendan Behan ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:44:51 PST From: Chris Sherwood Subject: Re: MAX? |From: Siberian Khatru | |[... MAX...] I'm wondering why it hasn't been "port"ed to the IBM yet. Let's hope the answer is "because we don't look as foolish as those other "MAC-to-PC-ports-and-it-shows" programs (calm down chris... breath deep ;^). In otherwords, let's hope they're taking the time to do it right -- it sounds interesting. Chris PS: Love the attribution handle you've got there ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 07:46:43 -0500 From: Greg Dorter Subject: Re: MAX? Briefly, MAX is a sort of object-oriented programing enviroment for MIDI data. You can program MAX to receive MIDI events and then manipulte this data (transpose, delay, route to MIDI channel) and then send it back to a MIDI device for playback. MAX can also generate its own MIDI data (i.e. pitch, vel, duration, controller, etc.) and send it to a MIDI device. The idea begind MAX (vs. a sequencer) is that it performs all these actions in real time, allowing the computer to interact with a live perforer, being cued by certain MIDI events that the live performer is playing, and then reacting to these events. BTW, you don't need a programming background, MAX comes with lots of pre-programmed objects which anyone can easily implement. Greg Dorter University of Western Ontario 215 Bernard Ave. gdorter@julian.uwo.ca London, ON N6A 2M9 519-438-2287 CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 07:47:00 -0800 From: atomic city Subject: Re: MAX? Siberian Khatru writes-- > >Hello all, > I've seen a number of references to MAX. I understand that it is >some sort of modular quasi-operating system for electronic >music--synthesis, MIDI, and others that I don't know about (Radio Baton, >etc.). Could someone fill me in on exactly WHAT MAX is? (What I wrote >above is all that I know about it...) Also, I understand that it is not >available for IBM-type machines. Why is this? (Please, no "fiery" >answers like, "IBMs just can't hack it!" or "IBMs make a better doorstop >than a Music Workstation!" I don't want to start the platform wars all >over again!) I'm wondering why it hasn't been "port"ed to the IBM yet. >Thank you in advance for those of you who don't attack my ignorance of >the subject... MAX is, as best I can describe it, an object-oriented programming language for realtime manipulation of MIDI data. It can turn anything into anything else, on the fly, and the people whom I know that use it routinely put together everything from software arpeggiators to full-featured editor/librarians for otherwise unsupported gear with it. I am perpetually amazed and frightened by its abilities, and avoid it like the plague because I know that if I ever get a copy my musical output will cease for at least two years while I diddle with it at home. The reason MAX has not yet been ported to the IBM is because the person who is responsible for current development of it has had no reason to do so. David Ziccarrelli works for Opcode. Opcode does, or until recently did, exclusively Mac software; there were NO nonMac versions of any Opdoce software, the exception being the now-divergent NeXTStep version of MAX, which was developed before Opcode took over the Mac version (if I have my history right, someone from the MAX list please check me on this). Opcode is now beginning to develop Windows versions of some of its codes; I don't know if MAX is on the list. mike -- mike metlay | atomic city | Nick Rothwell on the Alesis Quadrasynth: p.o.box 81175 | pgh pa 15217-0675 | "Goomba... Alesis drags synthesis technology atomic@netcom.com | kicking and screaming into the 1960's. Film at 11." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:43:00 -0800 From: "Bourgouin, Gaetan" Subject: Re: platform war (MAX ) Jon Southwood wrote : " ........Also, I understand that it is not available for IBM-type machines. Why is this? (Please, no "fiery" answers like, "IBMs just can't hack it!" or "IBMs make a better doorstop than a Music Workstation!" I don't want to start the platform wars all over again!) I'm wondering why it hasn't been "port"ed to the IBM yet........" Yes you're right , i hate platform wars. I think a computer is a computer and any kind of computers should work about the same ( a Ford or a G.M. or Chryco can go at same place with the same tires and the same oil and the same gas ). It is only that software is not developped for a kind of computer that this computer is not good or not able to do the job. For sure the IBM platform is the newest to be involve in sound media. I know friend with Amigas and really doing a great job with these (and since many years). I'm sure there is a couple of you guys , musicians , on this list who work with Amigas and Ataris still after many years as those computers are still up to date in sound processing . A perfect world would be every computers using any kind of data !! (dreaming ,but one of these days , who knows.) have a nice day everybody !! Gaetan Bourgouin gbourgou@po2.mtl.marconi.ca ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************