========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 00:55:50 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Steve M. Wilson" Subject: Re: Korg X3 I like your setup. I would like to get the Korg myself, but I already have a controller keyboard. I would like to get the rack mount version of it. How does the rack mount compare with the actual keyboard? I think it would be great if you get the same capability. I have a demo version of Calkwalk Pro 3.0, but I'm still not sure I can control both the keyboard and synth from the same system. If you have any tips I'd love to hear them. SMWave ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:03:32 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jack Codron Subject: Re: Proteus Patches Yes you are right but they are not very good. thanks, jack ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:30:39 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: What is Mars? Hi Ab, I saw your correspondence. I've seen the ads on the back of CMJ, and couldn't quite figure out what Kyma did other than computer based editing and a bit of sampling and resynthesis (is this right?) But what is Mars? I've not heard of that. Thanks, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:18:42 GMT Reply-To: emusicL@cycle.demon.co.uk Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alan Fitch Organization: Home Subject: Re: several small items In-Reply-To: <9412140557.aa11418@punt.demon.co.uk> In message <9412140557.aa11418@punt.demon.co.uk> you recently said: >The 801 album _Listen Now!_ hsa a lot of Gizmo work on it. Godley and Creme also recorded a triple (!) album (the nostalgic days before punk...) called "Consequences" which used the gizmo thing. regards Alan P.S. This message has insufficient music research content to meet your recommended daily allowance. -- Alan Fitch (EMUSIC-L address) Tel.: +44 (0)1703 472342 (voice) E-mail: emusicL@cycle.demon.co.uk This tagline is left intentionally blank. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:05:29 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ab Wilson Subject: What is Mars? In-Reply-To: <94Dec15.014826est.41708@gateway.morgan.com> David Rodger writes: >I saw your correspondence. I've seen the ads on the back of CMJ, and >couldn't quite figure out what Kyma did other than computer based >editing and a bit of sampling and resynthesis (is this right?) The Kyma system is a (virtually) modular software synthersiser (a bit like csound) which works in real time. It's based around a box full of DSPs. The reason why I don't rate it that much is because IMHO it hasn't got enough house power to do the job. For instance would you pay $10000 for a system which at full stretch is capable 8 voices of 6 operator FM? (Admittedly the system can do a lot more than just FM and the only reason the DX7 could deliver 16 voice of 6 op FM was because it uses custom chips.) >But what is Mars? I've not heard of that. It's a similar system made by IRIS (an Italian commercially funded music research institute) using custum programmed ASICs instead of DSPs. Here's the blurb I got for it. It sounds pretty good to me and almost worth the money. Ab ---cut here--- MARS - Musical Audio Research Station The Musical Audio Research Station is a specialized digital machine for real-time audio applications, developed by IRIS (Istituto di Ricerca per l'Industria dello Spettacolo), the research institute owned by the Italian Bontempi-Farfisa group. MARS was conceived as an interactive and integrated environment for audio research, musical production and computer music pedagogy. It is dedicated to people who have hit the limits of the digital musical instruments currently available on the market and would like a programmable and a flexible sound machine with real time performances. SOFTWARE A proprietary development system, the EDIT20 software package, is a set of specialized graphical editors featuring a graphic user-friendly interface that allows musicians to program the DSPs and to perform. They allow the development of algorithms, timbres, waveforms, orchestras and their MIDI performance environments - all sound objects which lead to musical (and scientific) applications. One may connect, and immediately get audio feedback from, objects coming from an expandable library, so as to build any kind of patch and DSP algorithm for musical/signal processing such as sampling, analysis and synthesis, filters and sound effects. The patch editor offers a set of more than 100 computing blocks in "iconic" MUSICn style representation. These blocks cover low and high level needs for DSP applications: - - arithmetic and logical operators; - - many types of oscillators and complex generators such as FM, AM or NLD; - - time, spectrum, pitch and amplitude transformers such as delay, reverberation, filter, harmonizer, mixer and other effects; - - mechanical parameters for realistic simulation of physical models. EDIT20 makes algorithm testing easy because it provides a set of debugging tools such as real time data displays, a four track oscilloscope, and audio probes which can be used at any connection point among the blocks. EDIT20 can duplicate algorithms to create more voices and manage different types of algorithms simultaneously, allowing multi-algorithm sound processing. HARDWARE The MARS hardware is a standard 2U rack module which contains the SM1000 sound generation board and one DAC/ADC board which provides 4 analog inputs and 8 analog outputs. The SM1000 board is based on two specialized DSP chips (X20) developed by IRIS, and one standard microcontroller (MC68302 Motorola) that supports the RT20M embedded real time operating system, managing MIDI messages and other system events. The X20 is an ASIC (250,000 transistors complexity) digital audio signal processor, which is fully programmable. Its internal pipeline structure and direct connections among the operators create a computing power equivalent to 50 MIPS. See below for examples of the available computing power. Each X20 has its own memory bord, holding sample memory for a total of 40 Mbytes, that is, about 9 minutes of sound memory or delay lines. The SM1000 board needs to be configured before being used. This is done through a host computer which can be linked to the board via serial (MIDI) or parallel (VME bus) lines. MUSICAL APPLICATIONS EDIT20 can be used to build tones and orchestras because it allows musicians to adjust all the algorithms' parameters, to set envelopes and to edit samples. The algorithm parameters may be associated with gestural MIDI controllers to allow dynamic updating by means of arbitrary conversion rules. Rules and data values can be defined interactively and graphically by using universal symbolic representations (physical or musical measure units such as Hz, dB, milliseconds, or musical notes). MARS does not provide any compositional environment, but its compatibility with the MIDI world allows users to employ standard sequencers, MIDI devices and programming environment such as MAX (*). The MARS MIDI implementation covers most of the standard MIDI messages and offers a set of system exclusive MIDI messages covering all system configuration operations. Several complete applications are already included: LPC analysis and synthesis, vocoder, physical modeling, graphic FFT, etc., and many others can be developed by C programmers using the APPLI20 toolkit. A number of works of Computer Music have been produced (S. Sciarrino, L. Berio, W. Prati). MARS is currently interfaced with Atari ST and TT computers via the VME bus, and porting to Macintosh and PC-Windows is in progress. It is available directly from the manufacturer, in a limited series, with a price in the range of 10,000 US dollars, depending on memory configuration. CURRENT MARS USERS CSC - University of Padua DIST - Unversity of Genova CNUCE - National Research Center of Pisa Tempo Reale - Center for musical research production and pedagogy of Florence MM&T - Musical studio of Milano Spazio Musica Ricerca - Musical research center of Cagliari COMUS, FARFISA - of BONTEMPI group Physical Sciences Department - University of Naples Physical Sciences Department - University of Ferrara EDI-PAN - Centro di produzione musica informatica Heinrich-Strobel-Stiftung des Sudwestfunks E.V. - Musical studio of Freiburg Musik Akademie der Stadt Basel - Musical conservatory of Basel CENTERS WHICH REQUESTED MARS CCRMA - University of Stanford CNMAT - University of Berkeley IRCAM - Georges-Pompidou center of Paris CIRM - Musical center of Nice ACROE - Musical association of Grenoble LIM - University of Milan AGON - Musical studio of Milan Ensemble Edgard Varese - Musical studio of Parma DSP FEATURES Pipelined architecture, fully programmable. 2's complement fixed point arithmetic on 24 bits. 16x16 bit multiplyer, 24x24 bit arithmetic and logic unit. 768x24 bit words of internal data memory. 512x64 bits word of external program memory. 40 MHz system clock, 39.0625 KHz up to 1 MHz sampling rate. EXAMPLES OF DSP PERFORMANCE (using optimized assembly algorithms, one at a time) 128 second order filters. 256 fully controllable simple table-lookup oscillators. 128 fully controllable interpolated oscillators. 128 delay lines with maximum total delay time of 7 minutes. 32 independent harmonizers. 2 independent 2048 point FFTs. 32 voices of Karplus-Strong string algorithm. 32 voices of 4 operators FM algorithm. 2 voices of 25 cells LPC algorithm. In addition, 128 multi-segment envelope generators are always available. AUDIO INTERFACING 4 balanced analog input lines, 1/4" TRS jack: CRYSTAL Delta-Sigma A/D converters. Signal/(Noise and Distortion) ratio > 90 dB S/(N+D) Internal 64x oversampling. Linear phase digital anti-alias filtering. 39.0625 KHz as standard sampling rate. 8 balanced output lines, 1/4" TRS jack CRYSTAL 64x Delta-Sigma D/A converters. 97 dB dynamic range over the audio band, A-weighted. Internal 8x oversampling. Linear phase filter. 39.0625 KHz as standard sampling rate. 2 stereo headphone outputs, capable of driving high impedance models (600 Ohm). STANDARD CONFIGURATION OF THE TWO MEMORY CARDS (16 bit word) 2x1 up to 2x8 MWords of DRAM (32 Mbytes, 7 minutes of sound or delay lines). Standard SIMM modules, 80 ns (i.e. MC-421000A8, MC-424100A8). 2x256 KWords up to 2x2 MWords of EPROM, 120ns (i. e. 27C010/20/40/80). 1.75 minutes of preset samples. SM1000 AND HOST COMMUNICATION MIDI interface (IN, OUT, THRU). RS232 interface (19200 Baud). VME interface (500 KByte/sec maximum transfer rate). OTHER SPECIFICATIONS Power requirements: 100-240 v AC, 50-60 Hz. Dimensions: 2U standard rack module. SOFTWARE PACKAGE RT20M: Embedded Real Time Operating System. EDIT20: Interactive Graphical Development Environment. APPLI20: Application toolkit. MARS PORT-FOLIO CONFERENCES AND WORKSHOPS X CIM (Colloquio di Informatica Musicale), Genova 1991 - IRIS Report Studio International Workshop, Capri 1992 - IRIS and CSC paper ICMC (International Computer Music Conference, S. Jose 1992) - Special session on MARS (5 papers) Sonic Representation and Transform, Trieste 1992 - MARS presentation and workshop Milano Musica, Teatro Studio, Milano 1992 - MARS presentation Virtuosismi virtuali, Palazzina Liberty, Milano 1992 - I nuovi strumenti e la prassi esecutiva Festival Spazio Musica, Cagliari 1992) - MARS presentation IRIS, Paliano 1992 - 3 days workshop on MARS Scuola Civica, Milano 1992 - 2 days workshop on MARS Live electronics in the works of L. Nono, Vicenza 1993 - 3 days workshop on MARS Experimentalstudio der Heinrich Strobel, Freiburg 1993 - Seminar on MARS Accademia Chigiana, Siena 1993 - Workshop on MARS Frankfurt Musik Messe, Frankfurt 1993 - MARS presentation CONCERTS AND MUSICAL EVENTS S. Sciarrino, Perseo e Andromeda, Festival delle Orestiadi, Gibellina 1991, Scala production, Teatro Lirico, Milano 1992 L. Berio, Ofanim, Festival d'Automne, Opera de la Bastille, Paris 1992, Jerusalem 1992, Berlin 1992 L. Nono, Post-prae ludium per Donau, Workshop on "Sonic Representation and Transform", Trieste 1992 - - A Pierre dell'azzurro silenzio inquietum, Terni, Perugia 1992 - - Das atmende klarsein, Vicenza 1993 W. Prati, L'isola nell'oasi, Scala production, Teatro Studio, Milano 1992 - - Puzzle, Nuove forme sonore, Teatro Politecnico, Roma 1992 - - Improvvisazione con E. Parker, Total Music Meeting, Berlin 1992 G. Palmieri, Unknown title, Teatro Verdi, Genova 1993 - - Frankenstein e Pinocchio, Colombiadi Production, Teatro Altrove, Genova 1993 - - Unknown title, Palazzo Ducale, Genova - 1993 S. Gorli, Unknown title, Scala Production, Teatro Lirico, Milano 1993 ALGORITHMS AND RESEARCH Synthesis: Additive Subtractive PCM based Linear Arithmetic Frequency modulation Phase modulation Wave shaping Phase distorsion Physical models (strings, winds, singing voice) LPC (Speech) Analysis: FFT Vocoder FIR and other filtering Envelope following Pitch following Effects: Pitch shifting Reverberation Chorus Leslie Delays Doppler effect Panning and mixing Research: Perception paradoxes and psychoacoustics Industrial noises simulation Sampling interpolation and data compression Rhythmical accompaniment Timbre interpolation Analog synthesizer simulation Simulation aid design for DSP hardware MUSICAL DEMOS Dr. Livingtones I presume - PCM + FM + additive synthesis Ostinato - Karplus-Strong + PCM synthesis Il Re (The King) - Karplus-Strong + LPC + physical models of clarinet and singing voice Kaos - Composition environment based on chaotic parameter maps Automath - Stochastic composition environment Vocoder - 12 channels real time analysis and synthesis Delay - 64 parallel delay lines for live performance SCIENTIFIC DEMOS FFT - 2048 points real time 3D FFT Image - Filtering of 2D grey pictures Space - Simulation of a moving sound source by means of Doppler effect Avion - Simulation of airplane noises PEDAGOGICAL DEMOS AS - Environment for additive synthesis with 100 components Corda - Environment for string modelling by means of springs and masses BIBLIOGRAPHY S. Cavaliere, G. Di Giugno, E. Guarino, "MARS: The X20 device and SM1000", Proceedings of the ICMC, pp. 348-351, S. Jose, 1992. P. Andrenacci, E. Favreau, N. Larosa, A. Prestigiacomo, S. Sapir, "MARS: RT20M/EDIT20 - Development tools and graphical user interface for sound generation board", Proceedings of the ICMC, pp. 340-343, S. Jose, 1992. F. Armani, L. Bizzarri, E. Favreau, A. Paladin, "MARS: DSP environment and applications", Proceedings of the ICMC, pp. 344-347, S. Jose, 1992. G. Palmieri, S. Sapir, "MARS: Musical applications", Proceedings of the ICMC, pp. 352-353, S. Jose, 1992. A. Paladin, D. Rocchesso, "A Dispersive resonator in real time in MARS workstation", Proceedings of the ICMC, pp. 146-149, S. Jose, 1992. A. Paladin, D. Rocchesso, "Toward a generalized one-dimensional musical instrument", Proceedings of the International Workshop on Models and Representations of Musical Signals, Capri, 1992. D. Rocchesso, "Realizzazione di risuonatori dispersivi in tempo reale", degree thesis in Electronic Engineering , University of Padua, 1992. E. Favreau, A. Prestigiacomo, "ASM20 User's Guide", IRIS internal paper, 1990. ITIS, "SM1000, DREP and ADDA technical description", IRIS internal paper, 1991. IRIS, "Musical Audio Research Station - User Guide", IRIS internal paper, 1992. (*) MAX is an Interactive Graphic Programming Environment developed at IRCAM and distributed by OPCODE SYSTEMS. IRIS srl - Parco La Selva, 151 - 03018 Paliano (FR) Italy Tel.: +39-775-533441 - Fax: +39-775-533343 - email: mc2842@mclink.it ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:38:32 PST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bill Busch Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files Look for a PD/shareware utility called MIDI Stamper. You drag the file over MIDI Stamper and it converts it to MIDI file type. Very easy to use and you can drag a complete folder of files. ---------- From: Ted Johnson To: Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files Date: Wednesday, December 14, 1994 10:17PM Are you sure its not recognizing the disk am IBM? Thats kind of weird... what if you format the disk on your mac as IBM, then put it in the atari, copy the file and put it back on your mac. The most obvious problem, though, is that your mac just isn't recognizing the filetype, since there's not such thing on the Atari. This would make since if you're okay going from mac to atari but not vice versa. I don't know what the filetype is for Cuebase, but you can find out by using ResEdit (I think its shareware) and just looking at an existing cubase file on your mac... Then when you transfer a file from the atari to the mac, make sure you change the filetype to the right one. If your using standard midi files, I think the file type is 'Midi" or something like that. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, let me know and I'll explain more. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:33:28 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: John Hildenbiddle Subject: Receiving posts in a collection. Is there any way to have all of these separate posts placed in some type of collection when downloaded to me? I wouldn't even mind receiving this larger file once a week or every couple of days. While the discussion here is interesting, I am getting a little tired of reading and deleting about 20 messages everytime I log on! Any ideas? -John P.S. Anyone know a good location to pick up some Ensoniq SQ1Plus patches? Anyone interested in trading? Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:20:53 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: kenneth lee hankins Subject: URGENT!! Need D-550 Manuals I am in a jam, i really need to find someone who is wiklling to part with a Roland D-550 manual. this is urgent and i am willing to pay a reasonable price plus the shipping. please resond fi you are willing and thanks in advance. Ken Hankins spowy@unm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:35:05 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Receiving posts in a collection. >Is there any way to have all of these separate posts placed in some type of collection when downloaded to me? I wouldn't even mind receiving this larger file once a week or every couple of days. While the discussion here is interesting, I am getting a little tired of reading and deleting about 20 messages everytime I log on! Any ideas? Sure. Send mail to listserv@american.edu and tell it SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST You'll get one message each day with the previous day's mail in it as one message. --- Joe M. -- McMahon's Corollary to Crispen's Law: "The eventual K2000 messages will usually be followed by a post about how the Ensoniq machines aren't bad either." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:49:56 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Dario Centofanti Subject: Italian MUSICA List La PANTHEON Produzioni Audio presenta: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= MUSICA in INTERNET =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= MUSICA e' la prima lista su INTERNET a tematica musicale ed e' un nuovo strumento di informazione e comunicazione per musicisti, tecnici del suono e per tutti gli appassionati delle varie correnti di musica rock, jazz e d'avanguardia. Per iscriverti alla lista MUSICA invia una mail a majordomo@pantheon.it con scritto nel body del messaggio il testo: SUBSCRIBE MUSICA Questo e' il file di welcome della lista: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= M U S I C A =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= w e l c o m e & i n f o Benvenuto! - Welcome! --------------------- Sono lieto di darti il benvenuto nella lista MUSICA. Il mio nome e' Dario Centofanti (dario@pantheon.it) e mi occupo del coordinamento e della promozione di questa lista. I am very glad to welcome you in the MUSICA list. My name is Dario Centofanti (dario@pantheon.it) and I am in charge of the coordination and promotion of this list. Che cosa e' MUSICA - What is MUSICA ----------------------------------- La lista MUSICA nasce da un progetto della Pantheon, uno studio di registrazione leader nelle produzioni radiofoniche in Italia, e si propone di essere un luogo di incontro per musicisti, tecnici del suono ed amanti di musica rock e jazz con particolare attenzione a tutte le nuove forme espressive sperimentali. MUSICA e' una lista con un limitato volume di traffico a basso rumore nella quale e' possibile commentare e recensire i principali avvenimenti musicali internazionali. La distribuzione dei testi della lista MUSICA avviene in differita di massimo 24 ore per problematiche inerenti l'attuale collegamento con la rete internet. The MUSICA list comes from a project of the Pantheon Company, a leading recording studio in Italy. It took the initiative to be a meeting point for musicians, sound engineers, rock and jazz music lovers with special interest for all the new experimenting expressive forms. MUSICA is a list with a limited traffic volume, low noise, in which is possible to comment and review the most important international musical happenings. The distribution of the texts of the MUSICA list, will be sent within maximum of 24 hours due to the present problems concerning the link of the internet network. Majordomo --------- Il Majordomo e' il software che gestisce la lista e funziona in maniera analoga al listproc o al listserv. Dispone di un suo indirizzo (majordomo@pantheon.it) da interpellare per iscriversi o dimettersi dalla lista MUSICA. Il Majordomo accetta quindi in maniera automatica comandi e istruzioni via e-mail ma e' chiaro che non c'e' fisicamente nessun umano che risponde all'indirizzo del Majordomo! Majordomo is a software which manages the list and functions in the same way of listproc or listserv. It has an e-mail address available (majordomo@pantheon.it) to invoke for subscribe or unsubscribe from the MUSICA list. Therefore Majordomo accepts any command or instruction via e-mail in an automatic way, but it is clear that there's no human being that answers at the address of Majordomo. Questi sono gli e-mail da conoscere: MUSICA@pantheon.it -> per inviare un messaggio alla lista majordomo@pantheon.it -> per inviare comandi al majordomo staff@pantheon.it -> owner of the MUSICA list dario@pantheon.it -> majordomo manager Per maggiori informazioni scrivi a staff@pantheon.it oppure invia una mail a majordomo@pantheon.it e scrivi nel body del messaggio il comando: HELP For more information please contact the list manager staff@pantheon.it or send this command to majordomo@pantheon.it : HELP =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Pantheon - Via della Minerva 1 (staff@pantheon.it) 00186 Roma - Italy Tel +39 6 6991500 Fax +39 6 6991501 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:17:09 +1100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: DAVID O'DONOGHUE Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd Subject: Re[1]: 10cc Reply to message text: From: David Rodger >>Mind you, they were only using 16 tracks. It tends to force you into being tasteful... >or words to that effect. >Want a bet? I've heard plenty from that era that ain't tasteful! True..(Would you like to share some prime examples with us?) but the eighties and nineties havent been exempt from tastlessness, have they? What I _meant_ was: you are less likely to over instrumentalise (That may NOT be a word..) a song if you are using 16 track analog tape machines, than if you are using 48 track analog tape machines, due to the inherent limitations of the hardware. ie signal degradation after multiple bouncing. On 'I'm not in love' the signal degradation actually _contributed_ to the sound of the vocal wash in a positive manner. Regards David O'Donoghoe DODON@OZEMAIL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:44:19 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: What is Mars? Hi Ab, thanks for the info on Mars. Funny sampling rate. But having the likes of Berio and Nono use it gives acertain amount of cred! Regards, David ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:56:40 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files Bill wrote... >Look for a PD/shareware utility called MIDI Stamper. Sounds great. Is there anything like it for MAcintosh? Regards, David. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 20:17:37 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files Look for a nice little program called MIDI Typer, available at your local Info-Mac or UMich mirror. It even has enough brains to allow you to specify the creator AND to check the beginning of the file to see if it really looks like a valid Standard MIDI File. --- Joe M. -- McMahon's Corollary to Crispen's Law: "The eventual K2000 messages will usually be followed by a post about how the Ensoniq machines aren't bad either." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:45:54 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alessandro Fiorletta Subject: Re: Yamaha SY series I'm sure I know a FTP site where you can find sound for SY (and many other synths) but I don't have the address handy. Hold on, I'll let you know... Saluti, Ale. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:50:16 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alessandro Fiorletta Subject: Re: MIDI chip Hi David, your suggestion to use Intel 8032 chip seems good. I don't have any papers about it. Can you give me more informations (also about the system you made)? Thank you. Saluti, Alessandro. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:28:04 CET Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jacek Latanowicz Subject: PC sequencers/16 bit recorders Hello ! Thanx to everyone replying my previous messages. During some time I had a chance to use few proggies for PC and must admit that comparing to what I used they didn't impress me in any way. Worse, I think that You need to put twice as much work in programs like Cubase or Cakewalk than in KCS (dr T's) on Amiga 500. I don't know why... Did anyone doing software on PC ever heard the term 'real time quantize'? Maybe I didn't see it but I searched and searched and didn't find it... None of these programs couldn't do a simple thing like load a sample into memory, assign a MIDI channel (and optionally starting and ending point to assign more samples to one channel dividing keyboard to splits) And after doing that use the samples as normal 'synth' controlled by MIDI channels. Instead there was the WAV INSERT which after inserting 4 times the same WAV file dumped a message 'out of memory'. I won't mention that it couldn't play these wavs exactly in time... Also the event list is not what I'm used to. I had problems doing simpliest operations like copying, inserting, correcting etc. In conclusion I think that using my abilities I would be able to write an own sequencer that would suit me more than so called proffesional sequencers. The only thing I found which really _did_ impress me was the patch storage in Cakewalk. Does anybody know of existing software from Dr T's (like Level II, KCS) on PC ? I think that Dr.T makes all simple and better. They don't do switches, beautiful screens, excellent graphics, knobs, mouse operating windows. Dr T makes it simple but useful. To assign a channel to a track I had to do a whole Rigolletto operation with mouse instead of pressing a button... I was amazed at first seeing few controllers but then they started to be a pain in the butt doing again and again the same operations... Any info on Dr T's for PC would be appreciated. Jacek L. Ps.Looks like I'll stick to my A500 and will keep it only as a sequencer. It is still cheaper than an Roland MC500, and more effective... I wish the samples could be 16 bit... :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jacek Latanowicz Instutute of Acoustics, AMU II AA Ul.Porzeczkowa 27 jack@vm.amu.edu.pl (Jack1 on IRC) II A AA 61-306 Poznan,Poland jlat@plearn.edu.pl II AAAAA tel/fax (+48-61)798202 jlat@uci1.ae.poz.edu.pl II AA AA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:11:09 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Dr. Gene De Lisa" Subject: Re: Receiving posts in a collection. In-Reply-To: (uunet!FARSIDE.GSFC.NASA.GOV!xrjdm) >>>>>"Joe" == Joe McMahon writes: >>Is there any way to have all of these separate posts placed in some type of collection when downloaded to me? I wouldn't even mind ... Joe> Sure. Send mail to listserv@american.edu and tell it Joe> SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST Joe> You'll get one message each day with the previous day's mail in it as Joe> one message. Sounds good but this is what I get: >SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST You are not subscribed to the EMUSIC-L list. My mailbox tells me I am. ===================================================== Dr. Gene De Lisa Bluestone Inc. 1000 Briggs Rd. Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054 blustone!gene@uunet.uu.net or uunet!blustone!gene Vox Humana: (609) 727-4600 x261 Fax: (609) 778-4925 ===================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:00:07 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Receiving posts in a collection. >Sounds good but this is what I get: >>SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST >You are not subscribed to the EMUSIC-L list. >My mailbox tells me I am. Hmmmm. Looks like there might be some kind of weird uunet thing going on. Let me check, and I'll set you up. I would guess that if you want to unsubscribe at a later date, you'd be best off to tell either me of Mike Metlay (atomic@netcom.com) and let us take care of it for you. In any case, I'll set you up with the digest stuff. --- Joe M. -- McMahon's Corollary to Crispen's Law: "The eventual K2000 messages will usually be followed by a post about how the Ensoniq machines aren't bad either." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:33:54 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: atomic city Subject: Re: What is Mars? In-Reply-To: <199412152245.OAA19263@mail.netcom.com> from "David Rodger" at Dec 16, 94 09:44:19 am David Rodger writes-- >Hi Ab, >thanks for the info on Mars. Funny sampling rate. Intersting board, all right. Must be hellish to get up and running, but the idea of wiring it to MAX sounds sort of amusing. The democratization of electronic music never ceases to amaze me. Reading down the feature list, I see "Onboard languages...ASIC (complexity 250k transistors)...128 multisegment envelopes...MIDI in/out/thru...." MIDI? How'd THAT get on there? :) >But having the likes of >Berio and Nono use it gives acertain amount of cred! If someone tried to sell me anything based on the fact that Luciano Berio recommended it, I'd run the other way. :) I'd very much like for someone to recommend a piece by Berio that is timbrally, compositionally, or technically solid, as I really fail to see why he's so popular. "Krrrrgdhhhh...nghhyaaa-a-aaahhhh, hglyeeewmph hurk hurnk nyeh heh heh..." -- Cathy Berberian's aria in a Berio work (which one? Any of them :) mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Well, I know, sorry guys, Italian is almost as difficult as the Advanced FM or maybe the RCM .. or maybe even worst !!!" (a. toni) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:40:21 PST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Chris Sherwood Subject: Re: PC sequencers/16 bit recorders |From: Jacek Latanowicz | |Did anyone doing software on PC ever heard the term 'real time quantize'? No, but it sounds terrible. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this irrevocably remove the soul from any performances I enter? I like the idea of doing small customized partial quantizations on only certain beats if I have to, but would prefer none at all (just my personal opinion -- I actually like some forms of music that I suppose this would be handy for, but it ain't for me). | None of these programs couldn't do a simple thing like load a sample |into memory, assign a MIDI channel (and optionally starting and ending |point to assign more samples to one channel dividing keyboard to splits) This doesn't sound like a sequencer to me, it sounds like a sampler. |And after doing that use the samples as normal 'synth' controlled by |MIDI channels. Instead there was the WAV INSERT which after inserting |4 times the same WAV file dumped a message 'out of memory'. I won't |mention that it couldn't play these wavs exactly in time... I think you're trying to get the sequencer to do something it wasn't designed to do ("Exactly" I hear him saying ;^). It doesn't fit the general sequencing paradygm to me, because sequences are recorded and played back in a sequencial fashion, while keyboard sample triggering is a real time thing. If you have a program on the Atari that integrates this, I would be interested in hearing how they are useful 'together' (I don't doubt that they are somehow, within the realm of that application, I'm just genually curious about how). | Also the event list is not what I'm used to. I had problems doing |simpliest operations like copying, inserting, correcting etc. I think the problem here is not the application, it's the differences in the User Interfaces (operating systems and environments). You have to learn the cut-n-paste methods, as well as the continuous -vs- discontiguous selection methods and get these to be as second nature to you as typing, then you will find that you'll have less problems. Having said that, there are companies who've taken their Mac or Atari programs over to the PC without taking these points into consideration -- they try to retain the MAC like behavior when it is not appropriate. It screws up people who normally use PCs for one thing, but it can even confuse MAC people. Now image an Atari user trying to figure out a psuedo MAC interface as implimented in Windows (the run this in Warp) -- what a wonderful world we live in! | The only thing I found which really _did_ impress me was the patch |storage in Cakewalk. I found this to be pretty ordinary. What's more, I think that the Cakewalk 3.0 Patch naming scheme is busted, seemingly showing extended support for GM machines (which the last version did okay). This could be my lack of understanding, but then the 12-tone manual on this subject is worse than pitiful -- some functions don't even have the paltry one-sentence minimum that some other functions do... but when they do, they rarely help. But then, this is just my opinion, Eh? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:00:44 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Dr. Gene De Lisa" Subject: Re: Receiving posts in a collection. In-Reply-To: (uunet!FARSIDE.GSFC.NASA.GOV!xrjdm) >>>>>"Joe" == Joe McMahon writes: >>Sounds good but this is what I get: >>>SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST >>You are not subscribed to the EMUSIC-L list. >>My mailbox tells me I am. Joe> Hmmmm. Looks like there might be some kind of weird uunet thing going Joe> on. Let me check, and I'll set you up. I would guess that if you Joe> want to unsubscribe at a later date, you'd be best off to tell either Joe> me of Mike Metlay (atomic@netcom.com) and let us take care of it for Joe> you. IN any case, I'll set you up with the digest stuff. Thanks for your help. The digest would help me stay with the list *and* keep my job. :-) ===================================================== Dr. Gene De Lisa Bluestone Inc. 1000 Briggs Rd. Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054 blustone!gene@uunet.uu.net or uunet!blustone!gene Vox Humana: (609) 727-4600 x261 Fax: (609) 778-4925 ===================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 07:54:54 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files Hi Joe, >Look for a nice little program called MIDI Typer, available at your local Info-Mac or UMich mirror. I don't know what Info_mac is, but I assume that I can get into UMich via an ftp site or the Web? Thanks, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 21:04:28 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Patrick Quinn Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files In reply to my query Ted Johnson suggested: >The most obvious problem, though, is that your mac just isn't recognizing the filetype, since there's not such thing on the Atari. In fact Ted the problem is worse than that since the Mac won't recognise the disk as being a formatted ( PC or MAC ) disk at all. It's as if the Atari writes over a portion of the boot sector ( or somewhere on the disk ) that then makes the disk a non-PC disk. Anybody any ideas ? Cheers Patrick PS Does anyone know an e-mail address for Steinberg the makers of Cubase Lite which I an using ? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 17:24:28 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: What is Mars? >"Krrrrgdhhhh...nghhyaaa-a-aaahhhh, hglyeeewmph hurk hurnk nyeh heh heh..." --- Cathy Berberian's aria in a Berio work (which one? Any of them :) Oh. Here, I thought you were quoting a Lovecraft story I hadn't read. --- Joe M. -- McMahon's Corollary to Crispen's Law: "The eventual K2000 messages will usually be followed by a post about how the Ensoniq machines aren't bad either." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:09:05 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: What is Mars? Hi Mike, this is not really aboout Mars anymore, is it? Mind you, we can't assume that Berio is going to stuff we like on the gear, can we? >"Krrrrgdhhhh...nghhyaaa-a-aaahhhh, hglyeeewmph hurk hurnk nyeh heh heh..." --- Cathy Berberian's aria in a Berio work (which one? Any of them :) Hey, some of us like a little mock primal every now and again. Ever heard Dieter Schnabel? Regards, David ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:45:43 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Phil Skiba Subject: samick sm series mixers Hey everyone. Does anyone have any experience with samick mixers. The ads seem pretty good, but I have not heard much about them. I need a decent mixer at a fairly low price...at least 12 inputs. I have seen a good deal on the mackie 1202...the ads say it has 20 inputs, but the picture does not look that way. I need at least 10 xlr inputs. anyways, does anyone have any suggestions. I'd like to stay under $500, if at all possible. thanks a lot phil sps5251@siena.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:50:58 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Davvid Brooks Subject: Re: Comments on Alesis Monitor One's Please the monitor one speakers i got when my NS10M couldn't fixed for less than 100 bucks, i think they are fab. the bass is boom! the mids are present, high end is crystal. i haven't bothered to fix my yamaha ns10m: I'll get around to one day. i got them for 290$american ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 18:44:55 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "LuJon P. Bustillos" Subject: Re: samick sm series mixers >I have seen a good deal on the mackie 1202...the ads say it has 20 inputs, but the picture does not look that way. I need at least 10 xlr inputs. I've got the 1202 and it works great. It's only got four built in xlr's, and if you've got six adapters laying around..... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 07:24:37 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: HeavyM@AOL.COM Subject: Roland Rhodes Model 760 I was wondering if anybody might have any information about the Roland Rhodes. I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Michael ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 15:44:00 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Peter Van Rees Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files >In reply to my query Ted Johnson suggested: >>The most obvious problem, though, is that your mac just isn't recognizing the filetype, since there's not such thing on the Atari. >In fact Ted the problem is worse than that since the Mac won't recognise the >disk as being a formatted ( PC or MAC ) disk at all. It's as if the Atari >writes over a portion of the boot sector ( or somewhere on the disk ) that then >makes the disk a non-PC disk. >Anybody any ideas ? >Cheers >Patrick >PS Does anyone know an e-mail address for Steinberg the makers of Cubase Lite which I an using ? Being an Atari-owner myself, here's what I do. Format a disc on a PC or mac, and just use it on your Atari (not the other way around!). Dos-formatted discs can be read by Atari, as opposed to Atari- formatted discs, which cannot be read by DOS or Mac. I don't know of an e-mail adress for Steinberg, but there is a list for Cubase-users (to subscribe send a 'subscribe cubase-users' command to majordomo@mcc.ac.uk. The list's address is cubase- users@mcc.ac.uk) peter van Rees ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 10:29:11 LCL Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Carnes Subject: Berio... In-Reply-To: <9412170601.AA23238@ursa-major.spdcc.com> ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 5 X-Sun-Content-Length: 382 Well, I agree that most of Berio's electronic stuff is justifiably ignored by most. In his other music, he has shown some flashes of real prowess. You might try "Points on a Curve to Find", which is a little concerto for Piano and winds. Also a very early "Concertino" for clarinet and (harp? celeste?) something tinkly. They will both make you wish he did more stuff like that. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:33:29 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "" Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files >>Look for a nice little program called MIDI Typer, available at your local Info-Mac or UMich mirror. >I don't know what Info_mac is, but I assume that I can get into UMich via an ftp site or the Web? >Thanks, David Hi David Close to home, you can get it by ftp from plaza.aarnet.edu.au, in the /micros/mac/umich/sound/midi directory. Happy typing Clive Clive McFarland CSIRO Australia clive@pelican.dbe.csiro.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 00:42:16 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "J. Brian Rice" Subject: Re: samick sm series mixers Phil, Your question about mixers doesn't give enough specifics. Will you need mic preamps or only line inputs? Since I have completed a similar search for a mall but high quality mixer, I will give it a shot. I must inform you that the final solution of my quest was the Mackie 1202. However in my search, I did sample the Samick product line at the NAMM Show at Nashville in July of this last year. In short, I was not pleased. The construction and design lacked quality and appeared to have been developed to meet a particular price point. Specifications looked good on the paper, but the hands on trials came up short. Specificly the SM122 was a 12 channel featuring balanced xlr inputs, stereo insert, 3 band fixed EQ w/ 15db boost/cut. Trials showed limited usable headroom, inflexable gain control and an EQ that wasn't very musical. IMHO this may be passable for a weekend warrier type PA mixer, but not as a tool for recording. Sorry to be so blunt, but space is limited. Why Mackie? Built like a rock. No wall wart power supply. Performance that exceeds my expectations. Solid quality control. Designed for performance not a price point. Now for the ultimate in product endorsement***I bought it over units that I sell for a living. Yes, I paid retail to get mine and it was worth every penny. *Disclaimer* I do not feel this way about every item in the Mackey product line and my needs were best fulfilled by this particular product for my particular application. Clairify your needs specificly. List out the features that you need and number them according to your priority. Do not make your decision based upon some other guys reviews. Find a knowlegable salesman and buy where you can rely on some support in a jam. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:08:09 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alessandro Fiorletta Subject: MARS Hi folks, I'm looking at all this mailing about MARS and I'm really surprised that the IRIS job is known to you! Anyway if any of you is interessed in REAL EMUSIC STUFF (not synth garbage!) you can't miss the FLY30 music workstation. FLY30 is based on a sound board developed at CRM (Musical Research Centre in Rome) and is really more powerfull of MARS. It is, I think, the only board built around a 32 bit floating point DSP and it sounds impressive! It is made for real professional musical applications (it dosen't have MIDI at all) and it is fully real time. One of the things that FLY can do (while MARS not) is synthesys using resonant digital fiters working at stability limit. Have you ever heard about it? I'm absolutly against sampling based synthesys (I wonder if IT IS synthesys at all) and I really belive that this will be the next generation synth method. In 1993 edition of CIM in Milan has been presented "Polar Synthesys 1.0" the world first software application of this synthesys. It has been developed by me and Antonio Pellechia (an italian Engineer/Composer of CRM) as a sample of its possibilities and the composer Michelangelo Lupone made some pices of music with it. If you are serious about emusic you must listen to it. Saluti, Alessandro. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:29:43 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Phil Skiba Subject: Re: samick sm series mixers Basically, I neea a whole lot more inputs for my tascam 424. I am extremely happy with it, and for the money, I don't think the sound quality can ba beat. I run into problems, however, when I am trying to mic a drum kit, etc...I need better control over all the levels, etc. It would also be nice if I could use it onstage (i.e. send the outs to a power amp and run it into the JBL's. The mackie looks like a really nice machine, and I am going to check it out over the holidays...I have not heard a bad word about them from anyone. On the other hand, I saw a sampson mpl1640 for about $600, and that seems pretty nice as well, if a little pricey for my college budget :^) I am afraid the smaller mackie (1202) might not have enough mixing power onstage, which is not the biggest disaster in the world, as I have been renting a yamaha board or shows @ $20 a pop (I just don;t beleive in bar soundmen!) thanks a lot for helping me out phil sps5251@siena.bitnet p.s. how limiting is the 2 band eq on the mackie board? should I just leave them alone and go though and outboard eq on mixdown. My tascam machine has a pretty good eq, but I still find myself eqing on the way in and on mixdown as well. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:40:24 PST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bill Busch Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files MIDI Stamper is for the Mac. Sorry I can't point you to a server on the internet. I got it off AOL. ---------- >From: David Rodger To: Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files Date: Friday, December 16, 1994 9:56AM Bill wrote... >Look for a PD/shareware utility called MIDI Stamper. Sounds great. Is there anything like it for MAcintosh? Regards, David. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:34:24 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Michael A. Dalton ADP OPuS" Subject: Re: Roland Rhodes Model 760 In-Reply-To: <9412181221.AA16136@plaza.ds.adp.com> from "HeavyM@AOL.COM" at Dec 18, 94 07:24:37 am >I was wondering if anybody might have any information about the Roland Rhodes. >I would appreciate any help. >Thanks, >Michael Michael, I have the 760's smaller brother, the 660. Both are actually very good pieces of gear that often go overlooked for lack of information. Specifically the 760(and 660) contain the same sound making electronics and the same patches as the Roland U-20 and U-220. They also use the same sound expansion cards as the U series. By the way these are no longer made (as of last summer, summer '94) and can be bought at great prices now, as low as $20 each, they were originally list at $89! Essentially you are getting a 76 key U20 in an updated package with an easier to use user interface. There are a few things the 660 does no do which the 760 may not as well. But these are not at all critical, they are things like maintaining differant program-to-patch maps, etc. Not critical at all, usually. I own a 660 that I picked up ion mint condition for $250 bucks the same week a demo unit was going for $950 at a nearby store. I have been very happy, its a Roland throughout, and its essentially a U-20 internally. Hope this helps. My advice, "if its within' your budget, the RHodes 660/760 tend to be considerably less than their U20/220 parents, and well worth considering" -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mike Dalton is: miked@plaza.ds.adp.com dalton@teleport.com (503) 294-5835 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "If you covered the state of Texas two feet deep is silver dollars, then | | picked one at random, marked it, put it somewhere in the pile, and mixed | | them all up; having a blind man enter the state, wander to the right place | | and pick the marked silver dollar is roughly equal to the odds of any | | other man fulfilling all the Messianic Prophecies that Jesus did " | | -Josh McDowell "Evidence That Demands a Verdict, Vol 1." | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:25:03 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "B. Kirsch" Subject: Re: Transferring MIDI Files The application MIDI Typer requires System 7.0 or greater. My program, SMF Utilities works in System 6 also. It is available from ftp at sumex-aim.stanford.edu in the directory info-mac/snd/util/smf-utilites-10b8.hqx I also submitted a Freeware version called SMF TypeCaster to Sumex but it doesn't seem to be there any more. It also works with System 6. I'll resubmit it, or I'll email it to anyone who wants it. It is about 28K Binhex'd. The SMF Utilities program changes the file Type to 'Midi' and also put a Creator tag on it so that your SMF can be associated with any sequencer. SMF Utilities will also remap program changes and drum maps of your SMF. If you also have System 7, you can do bulk conversions and remappings. -Barry Kirsch