========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 09:22:03 +0100 Reply-To: jvbekkum@iaehv.nl Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jan van Bekkum Subject: MIDI files of study pieces for cello My son is taking a cello class. He has a book with excersises with accompanying piano music. I want the computer to play the piano part. He is currently working on "Waggon Wheels" from Katherine and Hugh Colledge. 1. Has anybody MIDI files of this book? 2. Is there a more general interest in this topic? 3. Is this the right forum for this issue? With kind regards, Jan van Bekkum - Eindhoven, Netherlands Private address: jvbekkum@iaehv.nl Philips PMA: jvbekkum@ie.philips.nl PLCopen: otsgroup@knoware.nl PLCopen WWW: http://www.iaehv.nl/users/jvbekkum/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 09:22:44 +0100 Reply-To: jvbekkum@iaehv.nl Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jan van Bekkum Subject: Bug in saving pieces in Musika3 I love the features of Musika3, but I have found that the .mu3 files are truncated if the piece contains a key signature. It becomes impossible then to read the piece back. Has anybody a solution to this problem? Is this the right forum for this kind of question? With kind regards, Jan van Bekkum - Eindhoven, Netherlands Private address: jvbekkum@iaehv.nl Philips PMA: jvbekkum@ie.philips.nl PLCopen: otsgroup@knoware.nl PLCopen WWW: http://www.iaehv.nl/users/jvbekkum/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 05:01:26 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tim Loepp Subject: Re: sync Sorry about using Emusic-l instead of Synth-l. Very interesting info thoough. After reading your reply, I agree with you. Most my music keeps only one tempo, those that don't I haven't sequenced yet. Looks like I may be in for a bit of a surprise. Thanks for the response Forevrl8 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 10:17:12 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Will Connelly, Ft. Lauderdale, FL " Subject: Subscription Request SUBSCRIBE Will Connelly Will Connelly, Ft. Lauderdale, FL W6QID willc@alpha.acast.nova.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 12:39:16 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alexey Leonidovich Elfimov Subject: Re: Bug in saving pieces in Musika3 > > I love the features of Musika3, but I have found that the .mu3 files > are truncated if the piece contains a key signature. It becomes > impossible then to read the piece back. > > Has anybody a solution to this problem? ...........> This is not the only bug in Musika3, it does also mess up your files sometimes when you insert tempo information. Besides, it has a wrong configuration of PRINT option. Thus, if you try to print out your notation, you'll see that the notation appears in an enormous format, so that only 2-3 bars really fit in a page. I don't have a solution, but I contacted the authors of the program and they said that they are currently working on the next version of Musika (maybe Musika4, or smth like that) in which they hope to eliminate the bugs of Musika3. Alex. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 21:44:28 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Peter Kirn Subject: Re: Vision 1.4/PC platform Well, I'll try to discuss this as appropriate to this section... "Does anyone have experience with both Cakewalk 2.0/3.0 and the new Vision 1.4 for IBM. I would like to know some of the pros and cons of Vision 1.4 and some of the salient features of the program." I don't have a whole lot of experience with WinCake, but I should have enough to discuss this. I'm a major Vision user. The thing I like most about Vision is the interface, and the way things are done, having used Master Tracks and Cake. There are a few oddities to get used to, like Instruments setup, but once you do the thing is particularly intuitive. That said, I'm going to deal with the disadvantages first. Vision is a very poor port. Opcode doesn't know Windows that well, and it's reflected in the program. The interface has just been transported from Mac, not adapted to Windows. The most glaring error here is that you can see through the back of the application to the others, just as in System 7, rather than having a solid background to the window. The truth is, Vision 2.0 would knock WinCake out of the water, IMHO, but 1.4 for Windows is essentially 1.x for Mac. That means WinVision lacks notation view and the improved color interface. Those are the downsides. Here are the things I like: - Vision's CTRL-ALT-SHIFT click brings up great online help. - Rich filtering, input map functions - MIDIKeys allows MIDI controller events/notes to control functions. (ie pitch bend records!) Cool! Aside from that, the two are identical, and I just find the interface in Vision to be really intuitive. Second place for this has to go to Master Tracks Pro. And many would argue between the two. But WinCake falls way behind interface-wise. And features-wise, Vision is able to outdo Master Tracks Pro in many areas, hence it is my first choice. Now all we need is to get the Windows upgrade to version 2.0 and see Studio Vision join us. Peter Kirn Jensoft Media ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 22:03:45 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: MICHAEL Subject: Re: Vision 1.4/PC platform In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 1 Jan 1995 21:44:28 -0500 from How does the prices of these varius sequencing programs compare? I have Cake P ro for Windows. I have never used Master Traks Pro nor Vision. Do either have dedicated pattern capabilities? If they do what are they like? I really like Drummer for DOS also but I don't know of a desent Windows counterpart, how about you? Michael in Chattanooga ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:04:29 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Terry Nigrelli." Subject: Re: binhexing Have any of y'all tried sending .wav or mac sounds through internet gateways? There is a piece of shareware that translates MIDI files into text files in the Music and Sound forum on AOL. I think the title is "MIDI to Text" or something like that. Hope it helps. Terry Nigrelli ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 02:10:48 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "E.W. Hobie Hodge" Subject: Technology vs. compositional methods I think no matter what, the "box talk" will bleed over to this discussion list. A regular reminder is all that can be done. For electronic music, the synth has become the basic tool. From the patch bays of the Buchla, Arp and Moog on up to todays Digital Super Giga Mega DBXG800B2000SUX. Which you've simply got to love... The various machines we get all make such bitchin sounds that it makes us want to talk about how we patched it, sequenced it, sampled it, processed it and recorded it. Each of the techniques are heard by the listener and become part of the piece. A piece can be based around one pleasing patch (that might take 16 hours to create). Its ok to talk about the technology here I think, but I would like to see the talk tie in more to the composition processes and techniques used to make a piece. Also, as I mentioned before, I think it would be very cool if the talk were accompanied by small samples of the end product. For instance short examples of techniques or sections of a piece in text converted form; like binhexed- *.wav, mac sounds, midi recordings, patch and pattern dumps, etc. Today's PC and Mac are made to make nice sound! Perhaps I am generalizing, but I think most subscribers would have no trouble with converting at least the wav and mac sound files. Agreed, there are so many file types, and we all use so many different products, that people will end up downloading a lot of stuff they can't use. But hey, it's something to think about. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 23:31:02 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tony Cappellini Subject: Re: binhexing You wrote: > >Have any of y'all tried sending .wav or mac sounds through internet gateways? > > >There is a piece of shareware that translates MIDI files into text files in >the Music and Sound forum on AOL. I think the title is "MIDI to Text" or >something like that. Hope it helps. > > Of course. I get files sent to me all the time, and I've sent Waves to people too. You need to get a uuencode/uudecode utility. For WIndows, I use Wincode. I don't know wht it available for the Mac. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 23:41:31 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tony Cappellini Subject: Digest form of mail list This happened again. I forgot how to subscribe to the Digest. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 03:40:44 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "E.R.M. (Editions de la Rue Margot)" Subject: Re: binhexing In-Reply-To: <199501020503.XAA14958@home.interaccess.com> On Mon, 2 Jan 1995, Terry Nigrelli. wrote: > Have any of y'all tried sending .wav or mac sounds through internet gateways? > > > There is a piece of shareware that translates MIDI files into text files in > the Music and Sound forum on AOL. I think the title is "MIDI to Text" or > something like that. Hope it helps. > > Terry Nigrelli > Arghhh! I have! All it seems to do is make the transfer to your driver, when accessed, incredibly (read: too true to believe!) fast...and then my page crashes, especially in Mosaic. Have had to save all "XXX.WAV" files to "XXX.AU" format in order to load up on our home page ( http://www.interaccess.com/users/numusic). Any idea if a straight conversion program exists that converts "XXX.WAV" format files to "XXX.AU"? (Kind of like an "L-VIEW" program for audio?) Let me know! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 01:52:31 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tony Cappellini Subject: Re: binhexing >Arghhh! I have! All it seems to do is make the transfer to your driver, >when accessed, incredibly (read: too true to believe!) fast...and then my >page crashes, especially in Mosaic. > >Have had to save all "XXX.WAV" files to "XXX.AU" format in order to load >up on our home page ( http://www.interaccess.com/users/numusic). > >Any idea if a straight conversion program exists that converts "XXX.WAV" >format files to "XXX.AU"? (Kind of like an "L-VIEW" program for audio?) > I don't use Mosaic (yet !!). Are you PC based or Mac based ? -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Ever wonder why so many Italian men are named Tony ? 'Cause when they "get off the boat", they're lost, can't speak English well, and end up carrying a sign that looks like this ... /------------\ | TO | | | | NY | /------------\ tony_cappellini@microp.com tonycapp@ix.netcom.com CIS 74514,3431 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 09:58:52 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alex Sanielevici Subject: Re: binhexing In-Reply-To: <199501020940.AA21717@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA> E.R.M. (Editions de la Rue Margot) wrote: > Have had to save all "XXX.WAV" files to "XXX.AU" form at in order to load > up on our home page ( http://www.interaccess.com/users/numusic). > Any idea if a straight conversion program exists that converts "XXX.WAV" > format files to "XXX.AU"? (Kind of like an "L-VIEW" program for audio?) Yeah, I had to do the same for my home page. I used 'cool' to do the recording and the converting (actually saving directly to mu-law .au files). Cool is an amazing shareware audio-processing program (mentionned in Electronic Musician when they did that article about shareware music applications). This is PC software, BTW. You can find version 1.34a at romulus.ucs.uoknor.edu in /mirrors/SimTel/win3/sound. If you want something for the mac, SoundApp is a good conversion/player program, although it doesn't convert to too many formats. For processing, there's Sound Hack, a useful but experimental piece of software. You can find both of these at any mac.archive.umich.edu mirror. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Alex Sanielevici _/_/ E-Mail : sanielea@ere.umontreal.ca _/ _/ Music student, _/_/ or : alex@speedy.hypercomp.ns.ca _/ _/ University of Montreal _/_/ Voice : (514) 731-2578 _/ _/ Quebec, Canada. _/_/ http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca:9090/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ << I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant >> -- Reliable source. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 15:27:58 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Afonso de Ligorio - ADI-11 Subject: Yamaha+Roland I'm intending to buy a music keyboard with a sequencer and disk-drive (or a keyboard plus a sequencer). A cheap solution I found was to buy a Yamaha PSR-410 keyboard plus a Roland MC50MKII sequencer and connect them via MIDI. I would like to make the following questions: -Do you think this solution will work well ? -Does anybody suggest another solution ? Thanks for any reply. My best regards. Afonso Faria afonso@telemig.gov.br ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 09:35:16 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Allen Brown Subject: Re: binhexing In-Reply-To: <199501020849.AA02239@uop.cs.uop.edu> On Mon, 2 Jan 1995, Terry Nigrelli. wrote: > Have any of y'all tried sending .wav or mac sounds through internet gateways? > > > There is a piece of shareware that translates MIDI files into text files in > the Music and Sound forum on AOL. I think the title is "MIDI to Text" or > something like that. Hope it helps. > > Terry Nigrelli Excuse a dumb question from a newbie, but is this the same as uunencoding and dencoding? (I haven't figured out how to do that yet, but I did just get a windows program called wincode that should do it. Thanks, Allen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:31:40 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "E.R.M. Editions de la Rue Margot USA" Subject: Re: binhexing >>Arghhh! I have! All it seems to do is make the transfer to your >driver, >>when accessed, incredibly (read: too true to believe!) fast...and then >my >>page crashes, especially in Mosaic. >> >>Have had to save all "XXX.WAV" files to "XXX.AU" format in order to >load >>up on our home page ( http://www.interaccess.com/users/numusic). >> >>Any idea if a straight conversion program exists that converts >"XXX.WAV" >>format files to "XXX.AU"? (Kind of like an "L-VIEW" program for audio?) >> > > >I don't use Mosaic (yet !!). > >Are you PC based or Mac based ? > > PC based, but you can run MOSAIC on PC or MAC. Could my problem be, with the XXX.WAV files, that they are less stable in PC format than MAC? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 09:51:45 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Allen Brown Subject: Re: Vision 1.4/PC platform In-Reply-To: <199501020902.AA02500@uop.cs.uop.edu> On Sun, 1 Jan 1995, MICHAEL wrote: > How does the prices of these varius sequencing programs compare? I have Cake P > ro for Windows. I have never used Master Traks Pro nor Vision. Do either have > dedicated pattern capabilities? If they do what are they like? I really like > Drummer for DOS also but I don't know of a desent Windows counterpart, how > about you? > Michael in Chattanooga If you want the most for your money, get FINALE (there is a windows version)--if you can get the educator's discount price it comes about to about $275, and really blows everything else away. --Allen Brown-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:58:17 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: A place in the performing arts? In-Reply-To: <9412302135.AA09038@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "David Rodger" at Dec 31, 94 08:35:07 am > If you haven't seen this done (and without the aid of samplers or backing > tapes) you've missed something. Check it out. > > (Am I about to be flamed for raising the spectre of hip hop here!? Anyone > object to comparisons with musique concrete?) > No, not at all. I definitely recommend this as an exercise in making the most out of a minimal amount of equipment. Also check out Christian Marclay, an avant-garde artist who uses many of the same techniques. Scary stuff. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:59:52 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hook Subject: Re: Vision 1.4/PC platform In-Reply-To: <9501021752.AA21692@bigcat> I agree! Finale is the best. I am currently using ver 3.0 for windows with a 486sx/33 and a HP Deskjet 500. The print quality of the scores is fabulous. I have yet to encounter an application that Finale cannot handle. I am just beginning to use the built in sequencer, it is a bit confusing, but hey, everything takes time! - Marty Hook ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:57:30 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alex Sanielevici Subject: Re: binhexing In-Reply-To: <199501021733.AA26398@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA> > Excuse a dumb question from a newbie, but is this the same as > uunencoding and dencoding? No, but binhexing and uuencoding have the same purpose: to convert data from 8-bit binary to 7-bit ascii characters. Binhexing is less widely used, and is more mac-specific. Uuencoding is more widely used because of it's cross-platform abilities and greater efficiency. These two methods increase the size of a file by a noticeable amount. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Alex Sanielevici _/_/ E-Mail : sanielea@ere.umontreal.ca _/ _/ Music student, _/_/ or : alex@speedy.hypercomp.ns.ca _/ _/ University of Montreal _/_/ Voice : (514) 731-2578 _/ _/ Quebec, Canada. _/_/ http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca:9090/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ << I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant >> -- Reliable source. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:01:10 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: binhexing In-Reply-To: <9412302142.AA09098@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "E.W. Hobie Hodge" at Dec 30, 94 04:42:38 pm > I'm thinking that as an addition to discussion of electronic music, it would > be nice to listen to short pieces to further our wordy points. They would > have to be short I think, as sound files can get quite large in terms of > kilobytes. Any thoughts on this idea? Oooh. Well, at 577 subscribers, that's an awful lot of net load. I would suggest that it might be possible to find an FTP site somehwere that might be willing to support such an effort, but mailing large files around is not a great idea. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:17:01 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: ESI32 In-Reply-To: <9412302354.AA09969@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "Michael" at Dec 30, 94 06:17:49 pm > > What kind of price was the EIII you turned down? What model was it? > Michael in Chattanooga > This si really more appropriate for private e-mail. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:24:27 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: sync In-Reply-To: <9412312205.AA15012@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "David Rodger" at Jan 1, 95 09:05:14 am > This thread might be better on synth-l, where the more practical issues of > gear arise. Emusic-l is more for discussing electronic music issues or > algorithmic composition or processes and that sort of thing. Anyone > disagree? I certainly agree. :) Thanks. Let's move this and the detailed discussion of the samplers over there. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 21:14:51 +0100 Reply-To: jvbekkum@iaehv.nl Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jan van Bekkum Subject: Re: Bug in saving pieces in Musika3 > > I love the features of Musika3, but I have found that the .mu3 files > > are truncated if the piece contains a key signature. It becomes > > impossible then to read the piece back. > > > This is not the only bug in Musika3, it does also mess up your files > sometimes when you insert tempo information. Besides, it has a wrong > configuration of PRINT option. Thus, if you try to print out your > notation, you'll see that the notation appears in an enormous format, > so that only 2-3 bars really fit in a page. > > I don't have a solution, but I contacted the authors of the program > and they said that they are currently working on the next version of > Musika (maybe Musika4, or smth like that) in which they hope to > eliminate the bugs of Musika3. Is any other (shareware) program available that is more stable? With kind regards, Jan van Bekkum - Eindhoven, Netherlands Private address: jvbekkum@iaehv.nl Philips PMA: jvbekkum@ie.philips.nl PLCopen: otsgroup@knoware.nl PLCopen WWW: http://www.iaehv.nl/users/jvbekkum/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:45:38 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Mark T. Trefney" Subject: unsubscribe I'd rather subscribe to the digest (I can't keep up with all the postings). Thanks Mark ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 09:48:00 +1100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: DAVID O'DONOGHUE Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd Subject: Re[1]: Samplers Reply to message text: From: michael >What about the K2000s and K2000rs? Do these machines compare to pro samplers? I've heard it mentioned on a couple of occasions that the Kurzweil sounds "inferior" to other samplers (ie AKAI 'S' series, Ensoniq ASR, Roland S-760) if the same sample is directly compared on the different (the K2K will load most other formats) sampler. What does inferior mean? This is a subjective issue that you will have to judge for yourself. Of course the synthesis abilities of the K2K blow away ANY sampler! >Is the CD3000 worth a look? Absolutely. If you plan on swiping alot of your samples from audio CD, the CD3000 will enable you to lift sounds _without_ having to go through analog to do it! This makes for VERY clean samples, of course the CD-ROM library for AKAI is just huge, of course all AKAI format CD-ROMs have the samples already configured into programs/keygroups etc. The CD3000 will also read the Roland CD-ROMs, of which there are also a great many. The latest OS will also let the CD3000 (or S2800/3000/3200) play MIDI files. If you intend to sample 'exterior' noise, you should maybe consider the S3000 instead. The filters on the AKAIs are nice. Regards David O'Donoghoe DODON@OZEMAIL.COM.AU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:04:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Josh Karnes Subject: Re: sync FSK? What kind of noise reduction? What tape speed? Josh ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:08:38 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Josh Karnes Subject: Re: sync Forgive me about the synth-l thing... I've never heard of it until today. BTW, if FSK is based on MIDI tempo, it won't work for me. I always sequence in real time. Josh ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 10:11:36 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: A place in the performing arts? Hi Joe, where is Christian Marclay (besides not in Australia)? Anything on record or video? Regards,David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:20:08 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Mark T. Trefney" Subject: Unsubscribe Please UNSUBSCRIBE Mark Tref. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:30:57 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Josh Karnes Subject: Re: binhexing >>>>> You need to get a uuencode/uudecode utility. For WIndows, I use Wincode. I don't know wht it available for the Mac. <<<<< For Mac, Compact Pro will binhex stuff with ease. It is shareware $15. You can get it just about anywhere. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 20:34:20 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tim Loepp Subject: Re: sync Hmm, I'm not sure about tape speed. I'm using cassette decks that probable about double the tape speed: because, when I sync the two decks together, the slave deck turns consideribly slower then the master deck. I definatly don't use any noise reduction when striping my tape. The two decks have Dolby-B built into them, but personally I prefer using DBX. Unfortunatly, I'm using nine tracks on the two decks so using DBX would get very expensive for me. Therefore I end up using Dolby When I absolutly need to. The noise floor in my mixes is entirely unsatisfctory for anything other than my own personal use in writing and arranging, or passing around as Demo's for Club gigs. I also use a noise gate when ever I can. TIM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 06:51:00 GMT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Gregory A Youngdahl 708 979 0013 Subject: Re: MIDI FTP Sights (or BBS numbers) Hello, > Does anyone know of some FTP sights where some of the following files can be > downloaded: I can suggest the following: > Roland JV-80 patches (instruments) Check out: Site: wagner.musicnet.ua.edu Directory: /pub/music/patches/jv80 This has a few patch banks, some individual patches, a patch editor (jvedit10) and a patch librarian (jvlib11), plus some other miscelaneous stuff. I'd suggest the jv80anlg patches which attempt to reproduce various classic analog synth sounds in your choice of formats (.MID - a standard MIDI file with 64 patches replacing your I bank, .SYX - the same thing in the .SYX format (raw SYSEX messages), and .ZIP - contains the 64 patches as individual .SYX files which load into the JV's temporary patch buffer one at a time rather than overwriting the patches you have in your I bank). Sorry, I don't have any info on the other synths you mentioned. Hope this helps, -- Greg Youngdahl AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, IL greg@ihlpm.att.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 01:52:34 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tim Loepp Subject: Re: MIDI FTP Sights (or BBS n... Hi :) Do you know of any for the Korg M1, Roland D50, Yamaha DX7, or Yamaha FB01? TIM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 05:57:30 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Davvid Brooks Subject: Fwd: ESI32/SPplus --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: ESI32/SPplus Date: 95-01-03 05:43:26 EST From: DavidB10 To: EMUSIC-L@american.eduemusic-l@american.edu thanks i will cool my jets for a minute this is going to be my final purchase this year! it better be right! so my 880/u20/tg500/?sampler ought to give me the sounds for a local hit see you on the radio. dave. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 09:15:06 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: John Young Subject: Re: A place in the performing arts? > >>>>I would like to probe the list for comments on the appearance of "ONE >MAN/WOMAN >BANDS". > >Lately I've been accepting gigs that contract for just the use of my >synthesizers and my vocals. Although the synthesizer can reproduce an >acceptable full band sound, many people in the audience being entertained >don't >realize what is happining in such a production. I have had people come up to >me during breaks and comment that my kareoke performance was great, or that >my >boom box has a nice sound to it. I find myself rendering an explanation of >midi and sequencers to non-musicians only to confuse them even more about >what they were listening to. > >>>Curious isn't it? Absolutely unspectacular! :< I do an educational >presentation about how all of our equipment makes the sounds we all hear - >plus you gotta have a creative human being. So, I have a bit of an edge on >getting their appreciation. > >Just to add to your expressions of baffled frustration: On several occasions >I have had kids tell me that when they grow up they want to be a DJ. Excuse >me if I slam someone's job here, but these kids think that the person at the >radio station is MAKING MUSIC!!! And the admiration and glory (?) is going to >the cool voice that pushes the play button. > I play in a R&R band on the weekends. One night at a bar, a girl went up to our sound man at the board and told him what a great keyboard player he was... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 08:23:47 LCL Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Carnes Subject: binhexing... In-Reply-To: <9412310600.AA21411@ursa-major.spdcc.com> ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 7 X-Sun-Content-Length: 470 On the K2000 list, there is occasionally a program sent out via binhex with little or no complaining. But on a general-purpose list like this, where people use everything from wavestations to weedwhackers, you would just add to the noise level. Besides that, actual sound files can be quite large and would bog down many people's mailers. Maybe you could find an FTP site where you could post your sounds for those who are interested. There are many to choose from. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:10:27 +1100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: DAVID O'DONOGHUE Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd Subject: Re: Peavey SP Plus Reply to message text: From: mICHAEL > Peavy will be producing the SPplus as of January. This puppy is > awsome, 32 voices, 128 Meg Ram upgradable using Mac Simms. 16 voice multitim >bre. It has 8meg base I believe they said. It can sample in stereo >from inside its own box no SX needed anymore. It will read a huge veriety of >formats (snip) This thing has built > in effects too. And price, well lets say EMU will not be happy. ,> it will pay to check this thing out I promise. > Good Luck, Peavy will share as much as they can about their equipment. >Michael in Chattanooga. Michael, it would be great to see Peavey finally 'hit the mark' with a product, but I cant help doubting. I own an SP/SX and I know its capabilities and weaknesses, I know my way around the DPM series so I _am_ in a position to say that just about all of their Synth products have been "If only they'd done..." type things. Many promises have been made over the past couple of years for the SP (AKAI format reading springs to mind) but none have come to fruition. Products are announced, only to make it to market a year and a half later..and even then, they seem antiquated. Regards David O'Donoghoe DODON@OZEMAIL.COM.AU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 17:20:09 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hook Subject: Keyboard Okay folks, I admit that most of you have been talking way over my head. I am a high school music teacher who has had a Roland U-20 for the past 3 years, and who has been using Finale for the past year and a half. I have had some experience with Encore and Cakewalk as well. I use an IBM platform, although everything we have at school is on Mac. My question: I (music department) am in the process of purchasing a keyboard. The specifications are few. 1. The touch must be as close to an acoustic piano as possible, 2. It must be somewhat portable. (The band has a Yamaha Clavinova on a stand which I don't call portable), 3. I'm not real concerned about internal sounds as I will be able to add a sound canvas (which is another question: which are the best canvas'?) and finally it must be MIDI compatible. Suggestions? Marty Hook mhook01@bigcat.missouri.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:31:11 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Robert Edwards Subject: Unsubscribe Please UNSUBSCRIBE Robert Edwards. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 20:03:03 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Richard Bleasdale DIGEST ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 21:00:06 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alexey Leonidovich Elfimov Subject: Re: Keyboard > From: Martin Hook > My question: I (music department) am in the process of purchasing a > keyboard. The specifications are few. 1. The touch must be as close to an > acoustic piano as possible, 2. It must be somewhat portable. 3. I'm not real concerned about internal sounds as I will be able to add a sound canvas (which is another question: which are the best canvas'?) and finally it must be MIDI compatible. > ...................... Well, if you are not really concerned about internal sounds and at the same time want to have a good touch feel, the best option might be to get a basic controller. There are bunch of them, so check first of all your local stores - so that you be able to touch the keys yourself and see if you like it. Kawai-MDK61 is an inexpensive one with a good responsive feel, small in size (but I'm afraid it has only channel aftertouch, no key aftertouch). Check, again, Roland controllers, like A-30 (with 76 keys and still small size). Well, there are other controllers, with 49 or 88 keys, as you like. All Sound Canvas are MIDI compatible. Later versions, like SC-55MkII or SC-88, are better; but get the one which is cheaper. Regards. Alex. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:55:30 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Subject: Re: Re[1]: Samplers In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 3 Jan 1995 09:48:00 +1100 from Are you familiar with the EIIIxs? Does anyone know how it compares to these other pro power samplers? Michael in Chattanooga ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:14:00 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Erick Cid Subject: Re: Keyboard >Okay folks, I admit that most of you have been talking way over my head. >I am a high school music teacher who has had a Roland U-20 for the past 3 >years, and who has been using Finale for the past year and a half. I have >had some experience with Encore and Cakewalk as well. I use an IBM >platform, although everything we have at school is on Mac. > >My question: I (music department) am in the process of purchasing a >keyboard. The specifications are few. 1. The touch must be as close to an >acoustic piano as possible, 2. It must be somewhat portable. (The band >has a Yamaha Clavinova on a stand which I don't call portable), 3. I'm >not real concerned about internal sounds as I will be able to add a sound >canvas (which is another question: which are the best canvas'?) and >finally it must be MIDI compatible. > >Suggestions? > >Marty Hook >mhook01@bigcat.missouri.edu > Well, I am not sure how big a concern money is to you, but this is my recommendation for what you are looking for. For the controller, I highly would recommend the Kurzweil PC-88, from what I have seen, it has an excellent piano feel, and 64 good internal sounds. As far as GM/GS modules (Sound Canvas), the new 64 voice Roland Sound Canvas promises to be excellent, but I have not heard it. I can't remember the model number, but I know it lists for about $1095, so you could probably getted much cheaper. When I remember the model number, I will get it out to you. Erick Cid elcid@interport.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:34:18 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Terry Nigrelli." Subject: Re: binhexing About sending MIDI files via internet and AOL etc. There is another piece of shareware called "ComMIDI" for the Mac which allows direct MIDI modem connections. Is there anything like that for Windows/486 etc.??? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:47:20 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Subject: Re: Peavey SP Plus In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:10:27 +1100 from I also have a DPM3SE, SP and SX. Granted they don't do everything, they do alo t though. The worst thing I can say about them is that they don't go as far as they could in many areas. Yet it is very powerful as a system. The good side is that while my K2000 is in the shop I still have something to play. Does an y one else use the Peavy line as support and strings to hold a larger system to gether? Thanks for your input, keep it coming. Michael in Chattanooga ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:56:02 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Re[1]: Samplers In-Reply-To: <9501040357.AA10380@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "Michael" at Jan 3, 95 10:55:30 pm > > Are you familiar with the EIIIxs? Does anyone know how it compares to these > other pro power samplers? Please move this discussion to SYNTH-L. This is your second notice. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:33:44 +0900 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mitsuru TAMAKI Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe Mitsuru TAMAKI, please... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 14:13:17 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bill Waters Subject: Finale (Coda Software) -- 2 questions 1. Can anyone tell me how to copy/paste measures (or sections) from Finale into another program e.g., wordprocessing, draw/paint, etc.? 2. Also, does anyone know of any available documentation or resource that supplements the user's manual? Thanks, Bill Waters Pensacola Junior College bwaters@pjc.cc.fl.us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 15:09:03 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Terry Nigrelli." Subject: Re: Keyboard I am a middle school music teacher and I use a Korg 01/W. The factory piano sound is kind of clunky but the acoustic piano sound on the "piano/keyboard" PCM card is very good. The "Orchestral" PCM card is out of this world. You can find one for about $1700. It is heavy but well worth it. Terry Nigrelli ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:32:08 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Sweet Subject: AIL and SOS Utilities Does anyone have experience using the AIL utilities from Miles Design or the SOS utilities from Human Machine Interfaces? I'm interested in comparisons between the two and any recommendations anyone may have. Any information about their tech support, drivers, midi files, features, etc would be very helpful. Thanks, Michael Sweet michael@eliasny.com Elias Associates ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 18:11:33 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mark Sammo Subject: Re: MIDI FTP Sights (or BBS n... A.O.L. has an extensive TX7 base in Galaxy format. Also several D50 and a few M1 but I haven't checked the format. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 19:10:56 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Francine A. Ekstam" Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:27:18 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tom Jordan Subject: Re: A place in the performing arts? It was with trepidation that I envoked the word "DJ" in my reply. I can respect and appreciate the art in any kind of performance including DJ's. sorry :+ To get back to the main point, *our art* is really invisible!! I just got through looking at some video of a program I did in a library this past summer and I can't believe how easy it is to completely miss the connection between my actions and what is heard! In the '70's we used to do a lot of concerts in the dark (maybe a candle or two.) This stuff leaves the audience in the dark in a whole new way I used to add unnecessary moves, twiddles, and visual checks to a piece just to give it some theatrical punch. It's still true today, ya' gotta' help the audience follow what's going on :> Tom Jordan Wired for Sound! - computer music for kids ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 22:32:25 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe Carelli Subject: Unsubscribe To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU (Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L) Please UNSUBSCRIBE Joe Carelli (LasherAD) Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 00:58:50 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Ed Berlett, Music" Subject: Re: Finale (Coda Software) -- 2 questions > 1. Can anyone tell me how to copy/paste measures (or sections) from > Finale into another program e.g., wordprocessing, draw/paint, etc.? > > 2. Also, does anyone know of any available documentation or resource > that supplements the user's manual? > > Thanks, > Bill Waters > Pensacola Junior College > bwaters@pjc.cc.fl.us I'm not sure about the answer to #1 I haven't tried this yet. There is a finale list finale@SHSU.edu. You subscribe through listserv@shsu.edu. If there is a problem write back. I'm taking the address off the top of my head. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 00:26:13 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alexey Leonidovich Elfimov Subject: Re: Finale (Coda Software) -- > > 1. Can anyone tell me how to copy/paste measures (or sections) from > Finale into another program e.g., wordprocessing, draw/paint, etc.? > > 2. Also, does anyone know of any available documentation or resource > that supplements the user's manual? > > Thanks, > Bill Waters > Pensacola Junior College > bwaters@pjc.cc.fl.us ....................................... > You can call "Maestro Graphics" at 1-800-437-9178, they offer several printed and on-disk manuals & other instruction materials for Finale. Cheers. Alex. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:41:18 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Denis Trcek Subject: SONY DATs and a/ds Can anybody please let me know the brannds of A/Ds that one can connect with DTC 690 to digital (opto) input to record analog (mic/line) signal at 44.1 KHz or higer? What are the tricks one should beware of (sync...) when connecting A/D --> DTC 690? And what is the price of DTC 300 ES, DTC 77 ES and DTC 59 ES? Can this machines record/sample mic/line at 44.1 KHz or higher? What are suggested retail prices? Thanks for response in advance. Denis Trcek IJS, Ljubljana SLOVENIA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 10:38:35 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: kenneth lee hankins Subject: FS: K2000S, SY-35, SR-16, M-240, PDC-100 i have the following for sale: *Kurzweil 2000 with sampler version 3 software *NEW* -less than a month old, have unsent warrenty, all the damn videos and original manuals along with the box and plastic. this baby is brand new, i would like to trade for an ASR-10 plus money or sell to the highest offer. *Yamaha SY-35 digital vector synthesis *MINT* -a year old, original owner with manuals and box and plastic. it is is excellent condition, ideal for synthetic sound also have 64k pop/dance RAM card. asking $500 obo. *Alesis SR-16 bit digital drum machine *NEW* -been sitting in the box and plastic in my closet for months. box is even undamaged and everything is untouched even the manuals. asking $200 obo. *Roland M-240 24 channel line mixer *MINT* -great shape and ideal for flat mixes prior to EQing. have original power cable, compact and slim. asking $400 obo or trade for mackie 12 channel mixer. the K2000S is the newest edition put out by Kurzweil and was bought less than a month ago. Id rather have an ASR-10 and would like to post it here before i go back to the store, maybe some lucky AH person out there will be interested, this ad is also posted on rec.music.maker.synth. thanks for reading. respond to spowy@unm.edu ken hankins i am looking for a 101, 303, 808. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 12:47:43 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joshua Fried Subject: Re: K2K v ASR-10 In-Reply-To: <199501051741.MAA26311@escape.com> from "kenneth lee hankins" at Jan 5, 95 10:38:35 am > > the K2000S is the newest edition put out by Kurzweil and was bought less > than a month ago. Id rather have an ASR-10 > ken hankins I am beginning to think I'd rather go for the ASR10 v the K2000. What are your reasons? After another round we should go over to synth-l or whatever I guess. jf@escape.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:55:35 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: "for sale": bad In-Reply-To: <199501051739.MAA09040@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "kenneth lee hankins" at Jan 5, 95 10:38:35 am > > i have the following for sale: > Please, I think we've mentioned in the past few weeks that we frown on ads here on emusic-l. Please don't post them here. synth-l@american.edu is much better. Thanks. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:57:00 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: K2K v ASR-10 In-Reply-To: <199501051746.MAA09068@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "Joshua Fried" at Jan 5, 95 12:47:43 pm > After another round we should go over to synth-l or whatever I guess. > No. Do it now. Thank you. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:59:01 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: SONY DATs and a/ds In-Reply-To: <199501051445.JAA04813@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "Denis Trcek" at Jan 5, 95 02:41:18 pm > > Can anybody please let me know the brannds of A/Ds that one can connect > with DTC 690 to digital (opto) input to record analog (mic/line) signal > at 44.1 KHz or higer? What are the tricks one should beware of (sync...) > when connecting A/D --> DTC 690? > Please post replies to synth-l. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:06:52 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: kenneth lee hankins Subject: Re: K2K v ASR-10 In-Reply-To: On Thu, 5 Jan 1995, Joe McMahon wrote: > > After another round we should go over to synth-l or whatever I guess. > > > No. Do it now. Thank you. do what now joe? he wants an ASR-10, it is my friends K2000S he wants to sell. it is brand new, 3 weeks old. his band will have 3 ASR-10's and they write industrial music for CO-OP in germany. i want a sampler but im thinking akai. later ken hankins ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:13:24 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bill Waters Subject: HELP! Seeking Notation Program I am looking for a program for the Macintosh that will allow me to construct musical examples (some rather complex) and place them via simple copy/paste into a wordprocessor or graphics program for my dissertation--I am not so much concerned with playback etc. For all its hype, even Finale doesn't seem to be very flexible in this regard. Can anyone suggest a non-postscript program that would be suitable for my purposes? Thanks. Bill Waters Pensacola Junior College bwaters@pjc.cc.fl.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 23:00:43 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Mark D. Warr" Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Please UNSUBSCRIBE Thank You ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 22:44:08 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "E.R.M. (Editions de la Rue Margot)" Subject: Re: HELP! Seeking Notation Program In-Reply-To: <199501052309.RAA01159@home.interaccess.com> On Thu, 5 Jan 1995, Bill Waters wrote: > I am looking for a program for the Macintosh that will allow me to > construct musical examples (some rather complex) and place them via > simple copy/paste into a wordprocessor or graphics program for my > dissertation--I am not so much concerned with playback etc. For all > its hype, even Finale doesn't seem to be very flexible in this regard. > Can anyone suggest a non-postscript program that would be suitable for > my purposes? > > Thanks. > > Bill Waters > Pensacola Junior College > bwaters@pjc.cc.fl.us > Bill, perhaps you are going about this in the wrong way. You can create your examples, in FINALE for example, and then save the FINALE page as an EPS file. (In some versions of FINALE, you can save to a TIFF file.) These, of course, are graphic elements pages, and then you can import them into most word processing programs with a minimum of fuss and bother. You can even resize and shape them, in most programs. Hope that this helps... Paul Harvey numusic@interaccess.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 00:50:39 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Subject: Re: K2K v ASR-10 In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:06:52 -0700 from I don't want to be rude nor is this intended to be out of line but who is Joe anyway? I have gotten at least one really harsh message from him myself. I see the need for general guidance and control of forum ussage, no problem. But who is Joe M.? Ah em. Michael in Chattanooga ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 00:22:45 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alexey Leonidovich Elfimov Subject: DOS Notation Is there anyone who is using "Dr.T's..." or other notation/print program for DOS (not Windows)? Could you e-mail me please - I have a couple of particular questions. Regards. Alex (elfimov@owlnet.rice.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:30:21 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tom Jordan Subject: Re: Keyboard >Okay folks, I admit that most of you have been talking way over my head. >I am a high school music teacher who has had a Roland U-20 for the past 3 >years, and who has been using Finale for the past year and a half. I have >had some experience with Encore and Cakewalk as well. I use an IBM >platform, although everything we have at school is on Mac. > >My question: I (music department) am in the process of purchasing a >keyboard. The specifications are few. 1. The touch must be as close to an >acoustic piano as possible, 2. It must be somewhat portable. (The band >has a Yamaha Clavinova on a stand which I don't call portable), 3. I'm >not real concerned about internal sounds as I will be able to add a sound >canvas (which is another question: which are the best canvas'?) and >finally it must be MIDI compatible. > >Suggestions? > >Marty Hook >mhook01@bigcat.missouri.edu Check out the Peavey, Fatar kbd's, and the Kurzweil 88. They're all going to be real nice. Be sure that you have the right reason for getting the weighted keys. You will not get the poly-aftertouch which is incredably musical, as opposed to the "lock step" sound of channel aftertouch. And the keys are not as fast or "poor player friendly" as a nice unweighted kbd. By "poor player friendly" I mean that if you have to keep playing the same piece or lick over and over, the weighted kbd will probably make it harder to consistently play the piece repeatedly. And, your hands get tired ;-) For you, I'd take a look at the Roland SC's that include an internal sequence player (some of them even have speakers, too. That's a piano store version vs the pro division of Roland) They will play standard midi files, they'll do music minus one, and they even include a "vamp" feature. All of which would serve you quite well in a school setting:> Tom Jordan Wired for Sound! - computer music for kids ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:08:38 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "william.b.fox" Subject: Joe Who? [was Re: K2K v ASR-10] > From: AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU!owner-emusic-l@ig2.att.att.com > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 00:50:39 EST > Subject: Re: K2K v ASR-10 > > I don't want to be rude nor is this intended to be out of line but who is Joe > anyway? I have gotten at least one really harsh message from him myself. I > see the need for general guidance and control of forum ussage, no problem. > But who is Joe M.? How can anybody join a mailing list and be totally unaware of its owner, rule maker, and moderator? I get miffed at people who send their subscribe and unsubscribe messages to the list instead of the listserver. It's because they don't bother to read the "Subject: Your subscription to list EMUSIC-L" they received upon joining and/or can't follow instructions. But I guess I'm more forgiving if a new member doesn't know who Joe is since his name doesn't appear in that standard piece of mail. But I'm still a little mystified that people can join a list and not soon know who the list's moderator is. If I'm not mistaken, Mike M. (no familial relation to Joe M.) is our co-moderator. So you better listen up whenever EITHER of these gentlemen speak! Bill Fox ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:29:14 MEZ Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Zander Subject: Neuronal Nets In Objects (PhysMathChemMedicChaos...) ---------------------------------------------------------- ! H E L P !!! ! ! ! ! Perhaps many new scientific discoveries are possible!! ! ! Please send this text to scientists ! ! (physicists, chemists, medics, engineers ...), ! ! scientific instituts, firms etc. or make this ! ! text available. The text is N O T only for ! ! specialists! ! ! This theory is not much known. Nobody knows this ! ! simple theory. ! ! ! ---------------------------------------------------------- (I'm new in Internet) Please send your opinion to news: sci.chaos Use the word NEURO-OBJ in subject! Can you create a new newsgroup: sci.chaos.neuro-objects If this newsgroup exists then send your opinion to this newsgroup. E-Mail adress of the writer: zander@rz.uni-leipzig.de =============================================================== Neuronal Nets In Objects =============================================================== It's only a theory. The following suggestions are not new. But they are not much known. Ilja Prigogine (Nobel Prize Winner) and other people said simular suggestions. Please go ahead with own reflections and do experiments and computer-simulations. Perhaps many new scientific discoveries are possible! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Neuronal Nets In Mixtures Of Substances ---------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps you can produce Neuronal Nets in mixtures of substances with relatively changeable properties and substances with memory properties. X O X O X O O X O X O X X O X O X O O X O X O X X - Particle with relatively changeable properties (A cell of the Neuronal Net) - Its state fluctuates. O - Particle with memory properties (This particle cause that the kind of connection between cells "X" is relatively constant.) - According to memory state of this particle the state of a cell determines the state of the neighbouring cell. - High-energy (chaotic) successions of cell states can change the memory state of this particle. Because of that evolution by energy control is possible. - Somtimes Rule of Hebb exist: The same state of neighbouring cells leads to another memory state of this particle then different states. For example: ----------- - A mixture of a conductive substance (eletric current is changeable = "X"-particles) with a magnetic substance (memory properties = "O"-particles) - Connection beetween cells "X" takes place by induction (according to memory state (polarization) of the neighbouring particles "O"). - Evolution by energy control: Energy supply takes place by a global alternating field. High-energy supply leads to chaotic currents --> New Order is possible. Low-energie supply --> strengthens the old Order. (read the chapter "The Learning Process") - Rule of Hebb: The same current direction of neighbouring cells "X" leads to another polarization of the neighbouring particle "O" then different current direction. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Neuronal Nets In Any Substances ---------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps you can produce Neuronal Nets in any substances, too, because molecules have relatively changeable and relatively constant (memory) properties. Distribution of properties "X" and "O" in a structure of several molecules: X O X O X O O X O X O X X O X O X O O X O X O X X - relatively changeable property of a molecule (A cell of the Neuronal Net) - Its state fluctuates. O - memory property of a molecule (cause that the kind of connection between cells "X" is relatively constant.) - According to memory state of this "O" the state of a cell determines the state of the neighbouring cell (physical interaction). ... ... (Analogie to "Neuronal Nets in Mixtures") ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Learning Process ---------------------------------------------------------------- The learning process is stimulated by global energy supply. It's simular to brain: If something is not OK then energy supply is increased. If everthing is OK then energy supply is decreased. --------------------- ! global energy supply!----<--------<----- ! (alternating field, ! ! ! irradiation etc.) ! ! --------------------- ------------------------------- ! ! ! ! ! ! TEACHER (for example circuitry! V V V V V ! or computer etc.) ! -------------------- ! - if the measuring instruments! ! ! ! record an approach to desired! ! educable object ! ! behaviour then energy supply ! ! ! ! is decreased. ! -------------------- ! - Otherwise energy supply is ! ! increased. ! ------------- ------------------------------- ! measuring ! ! ! instruments !------->------->-------- ------------- feedback A T F I R S T there are only random fluctuations. Each system fluctuates in a somewhat chaotic way: 1.) Sometimes the system fluctuates in a undesired direction: --> Energy supply is increased --> The neuronal connections are destroyed partly (Not all connections are destroyed: only "bad", unstable configurations of connections) 2.) Sometimes the system fluctuates in a desired direction: --> Energy supply is decreased --> The neuronal connections are strengthened partly 1. + 2.) ---->>> It's simular to selection process in nature (E V O L U T I O N)!!! -------------------------------- L A T E R : desired behaviour is strenghened. Remark: ------ - You have to find the middle energy supply and the variation of energy supply by measuring series or by flexible computer programs. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Teach The Object Any Physical Or Chemical Properties ---------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps you can teach the object any physical or chemical properties? It's N O T necessary to know the following mechanism, because self-organization takes place. At First : ---------- Chance distribution of any L O C A L properties "a" and "b" in the object: Object: (It's only an example) abababbabbaba bababbababbab babaaabbabbaa bbabbbabbbbab 1. Possibility (After learning process): ---------------------------------------- Moving balance of L O C A L properties (It's a very simple learning destination) bbbbbabbaaaaa bbbbbbabbaaaa bbbbbaababaaa bbbbbbaaaaaaa --> other G L O B A L physical and chemical properties 2. Possibility (After learning process): ---------------------------------------- Moving space and time concentration of L O C A L proterties bbbbbaaaaabbb bbbbbaaaaabbb aaaaabbbbbaaa aaaaabbbbbaaa --> other G L O B A L physical and chemical properties 3. Possibility: -------------- Perhaps you can control known self-organization-mechanism (for example Belousov-Zhabotinsky-reaction) to disired direction by learning process. Remark ------ It could be that "a" and "b" are unknown physical properties in microcosm. Then global properties (after learning process) are unknown, too. ---> New scientific discoveries are possible!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Literature ---------------------------------------------------------------- Read literature about Chaos Theory, Neuronal Nets (especially Hopfield Net) and evolution! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Possible Uses ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Information Processing --------------------- ! global energy supply!----<--------<----- ! (alternating field, ! ! ! irradiation etc.) ! ! --------------------- ------------------------------- ! ! ! ! ! ! TEACHER (for example circuitry! V V V V V ! or computer etc.) ! -------------------- ! - If the output-matrix is ! !in- ! educable !out-! ! simular to desired ! !put-! mixture !put-! ! output-matrix then energy ! !ma- ! of sub- !ma- ! ! supply is decreased. ! !trix! stances !trix! ! - Otherwise energy supply is ! -------------------- ! increased. ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ------------------------------- ------------------- ! ! measuring ! ! ! instruments !------->------->-------- ------------------- feedback 2.) Perhaps you can teach the object any physical or chemical properties. For example: improvement of energy transformations, for example a photo element: ------------------------ ! global energy supply !----<--------<----- !(alternating field etc.)! ! ------------------------ --------------------------------- ! ! ! ! ! ! TEACHER(circuitry,computer etc.)! V V V V V ! ! ------------------------ ! - If current increases then ! ! photo element ! ! energy supply is decreased. ! !(Each current fluctuates! ! - If current decreases then ! ! a little bit) ! ! energy supply is increased. ! ------------------------ --------------------------------- ! ! ! ------------- ! ! Voltmeter !------->------->---------- ------------- feedback 3.) improvement of healing processes ------------------------ ! global energy supply !----<--------<----- !(alternating field etc.)! ! ------------------------ --------------------------------- ! ! ! ! TEACHER(circuitry,computer etc.)! V V V ! ! sick part of the body ! - At health-signal ! ( - - ) ! energy supply is decreased. ! ( O O ) ! - At signal of disease ! ( ! ) ! energy supply is increased. ! ( --- ) --------------------------------- - ! ------------- ! ! measuring !------->------->---------- ! instruments ! feedback ------------- (Perhaps in some cases you can control the energy supply by mental concentration (without any machines)?) 4.) You have to apply this theory to your own special problems. (If the measuring instruments record an approach to desired behaviour then energy supply is decreased. Otherwise energy supply is increased.) 5.) Perhaps you can teach the object unexpected, remarkable or "impossible" properties. ---------------------------------------------------------------- An Experiment For You: A Chaos-Game ---------------------------------------------------------------- At first the game figures are distributed by chance. Destination of the game: The number of the figures on the left side of the game board should be greater then number on the right side: number LEFT > number RIGHT (moving balance) ------------------------ ! global energy supply ! ! (You shake the game ! ! board with your hand.)!----<--------<----- ! ! ! ------------------------ ------------------------------ -- ! ! ! ! TEACHER (your brain) ! V V V ! ! game board with figures: ! - if number LEFT is great then ! LEFT RIGHT ! energy supply is decreased. ! ------------------------ ! - if number LEFT is small then ! ! O O ! O O ! ! energy supply is increased. ! ! O O ! O ! !(You can lay down a rule - ! ! O O ! O O ! ! for example: ! ! O O ! O O O ! ! strength of shaking = ! ------------------------ ! k1*(numberRIGHT-numberLEFT)+k2) ! --------------------------------- ------------- ! ! measuring !------->------->---------- ! instrument ! feedback ! (your eye) ! ------------- The experiment shows: Evolution by energy control is possible. You have to imagine: a game figure "O" = local memory property "O" in this game in a substance ------------------------------------------------------------------ Computer Simulation Of This Chaos-Game ------------------------------------------------------------------ uses crt; const maxcell = 10; var board:array[1..maxcell,1..maxcell] of integer; sum_left,sum_right,number:real; procedure chance_direction (var dx,dy:integer); (*-------------------------------------------*) begin dx := - 1+trunc(random (300)/100); dy := - 1+trunc(random (300)/100); end; procedure chance_place(var x,y:byte); (*---------------------------------*) begin x:= random (maxcell) + 1; y:= random (maxcell) + 1; end; procedure init; (*------------*) var x,y:byte; begin sum_left := 0; sum_right := 0; number:=0; randomize; for x := 1 to maxcell do for y := 1 to maxcell do board[x,y] := random(2); end; procedure drawing; (*--------------*) var x,y:byte; begin randomize; for x := 1 to maxcell do for y := 1 to maxcell do begin gotoxy(x*4,y*2); write (board[x,y]:3); end; end; function strength_of_energy: integer; (*----------------------------------*) var number_left, number_right:integer; x,y:byte; begin number_left := 0; for x:= 1 to maxcell div 2 do for y := 1 to maxcell do number_left := number_left + board[x,y]; number_right := 0; for x:= maxcell div 2 + 1 to maxcell do for y := 1 to maxcell do number_right := number_right + board[x,y]; strength_of_energy := round(0.25* (number_right-number_left) + 10); number := number + 1; sum_left := sum_left + number_left; sum_right := sum_right + number_right; gotoxy(65,1); write(number_left:4,' ',number_right:4); gotoxy(65,3); write((sum_left/number):4:1,' ', (sum_right/number):4:1) end; procedure shake (strength:integer); (*-------------------------------*) var i,dx,dy:integer; x,y:byte; new_x,new_y:integer; begin if strength <= 0 then exit; for i := 1 to strength do begin chance_place(x,y); chance_direction(dx,dy); new_x := x+dx; new_y := y+dy; if (new_x in [1..maxcell]) and (new_y in [1..maxcell]) then begin if board[x,y]>0 then begin dec(board[x,y]); inc(board[new_x,new_y]) end; end; end; end; (* main *) (*------*) begin clrscr; init; repeat; drawing; shake(strength_of_energy) until keypressed; end. writer: Carsten Zander, Germany ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 10:20:58 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Kevan L. Moore" Subject: vintage DX7 xmitting patch change > #32 hello all. i have a vintage DX7, no enhancements. it was only the 2nd one in the state of AL when i got it. :-) just curious if anyone knows any way of using it to transmit a patch change greater than number 32. also, is there any way to turn off the 'active sensing' mode? i've got it connected to a TG100 and i can't select patches higher than 32, and i can't select them on the TG100 while the dx is connected because the active sensing makes the tg100 think data is coming in and it's slow to respond to its panel keys. thanks much. kevan l moore ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 11:52:24 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Subject: Re: Joe Who? [was Re: K2K v ASR-10] In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:08:38 EST from Thank you for the information. I have before and will continue in the future t o take what they say seriously. I try to listen ( read ) carefully to what all the users of the forums I am on have to say. I want whatever contribution I make to be favorable to as many as possible. My mistakes in the past were just that, no harm was intended. I trust that even long time users sometimes make these kinds of mistakes too. As I said in the posting no harm intended and hop efully none done. I have actually attempted to mail personal notes to them in the past but I always get the mail returned, I did not have the correct addres s. Thank you for the information, their importance and service is obvious we are all thankfull and often enlightened due to this forum and they themse lves. Michael in Chattanooga ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:17:49 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jon Crystal Subject: Victoriaville Does anyone have information on dates/content of this year's "Festival international de musique actuelle de Victoriaville" ? All I can find out is that it will be sometime in mid-May. Thanks, Jon Crystal University of Vermont 357 Waterman Burlington, VT 05405 email: jcrystal@moose.uvm.edu phone: 802 656-1163 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:55:00 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Bourgouin, Gaetan" Subject: Re: Victoriaville Jon Crystal wrote : Does anyone have information on dates/content of this year's "Festival international de musique actuelle de Victoriaville" ? All I can find out is that it will be sometime in mid-May. Well I live in Montreal witch is not far from Victoriaville and never heard of !!! I'll check with the tourism office of Quebec and reply with the date of the event . Gaetan Bourgouin gbourgou@po2.mtl.marconi.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 21:32:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Eric Anderson Subject: Re: MIDI FTP Sights (KORG X3) How bout this? Does anyone know of any FTP sites that has KORG X3 stuff on it? If so...PLEASE let me know!!! I will owe ya one!!!! Eric ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 22:19:35 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tim Loepp Subject: Re: vintage DX7 xmitting patc... This may seem kinda silly but...My band uses one, it only has thiry two patches in it. Or was it the other synth that would not go beyond 32? tim ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 22:23:45 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tim Loepp Subject: Re: sync FSK will work but not as well as SMPTE. After you have Striped your tape, you will be locked into that length and tempo. I use FSK w/Cassette, I'm real happy with its results. But then agian I'm not doing anything complex. TIM ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 00:17:43 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Terry Nigrelli." Subject: Re: HELP! Seeking Notation Program On Thu, 5 Jan 1995, Bill Waters wrote: > I am looking for a program for the Macintosh that will allow me to > construct musical examples (some rather complex) and place them via > simple copy/paste into a wordprocessor or graphics program for my > dissertation--I am not so much concerned with playback etc. For all > its hype, even Finale doesn't seem to be very flexible in this regard. > Can anyone suggest a non-postscript program that would be suitable for > my purposes? > > Thanks. > > Bill Waters > Pensacola Junior College > bwaters@pjc.cc.fl.us > "Overature" by Opcode will do this. You can select any portion of the screen and save it to a PICT or EPS file on the clipboard. Then you can paste it ino a word proccessing document. Terry Nigrelli ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 23:30:09 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Rita Robinson Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Please unsubscribe me from this list. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 02:16:30 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Subject: Computer programing tools I am interested in doing some software programing on the PC format. I have see n libraries available for C++ for Windows and Cooltools for Visual Basic. Have any of you guys done any programming of this type? I personally hope to get b etter pattern programming tools through programming. Are these good options? Which if either is easier or better to use? Are there any file sites or forums that will help in this endevor? Thank you from Michael in Chattanooga ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 02:33:02 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Subject: Big noise software Has anyone on this board used the windows sequencer from Big Noise software? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 09:57:07 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michel Fingerhut Subject: Ostinato n. 30, contemporary music newsletter available on WWW The current issue (no. 30, Jan-Mar. '95) of the quarterly newsletter of the CDMC (Documentation Center for Contemporary Music) in Paris, France, is now available on IRCAM's WWW server (http://www.ircam.fr/index-e.fr). It is in french. Contents (partial): - new scores, recordings, magazines, books, at the CDMC - contemporary music news: research centers, festivals, concerts (some with free entrance), opera, musical theater, ... - informations for composers (competitions, awards, reading panels, openings, conferences, tutorials, grants) - informations for interpreters (workshops, competitions) - the music publishing scene ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 21:07:46 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "E.R.M. (Editions de la Rue Margot)" Subject: Re: Big noise software In-Reply-To: <199501070730.BAA03944@home.interaccess.com> On Sat, 7 Jan 1995, Michael wrote: > Has anyone on this board used the windows sequencer from Big Noise software? > Yes, I've used bothe the DOS and WINDOWS versions of "Cadenza", by Big Noise Software. In my opinion, the DOS version of Cadenza is more stable than the WINDOWS version. (Too many error, especially MIDI interface messages through WINDOWS.) Hope that this helps. Paul Harvey numusic@interaccess.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 23:54:24 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ron Geier Subject: HELP! Seeking Notation Program I have a possible solution to your problem that doesn't require buying any additional software. Use your notation software to get the example looking the way you want it and press shift-command-3. You should hear what sounds like a camera shutter and a new file called "Picture 1" (or 2 etc.) will appear on the top level of your hard disk. It's a PICT file of your screen exactly as is was when you pressed the buttons (watch where your cursor is when you try this!). Then just use any drawing program to cut away everything but your example. I don't know if that will do the trick for you but it works for short examples that I use in class handouts. If you need to include a really long example you might try Nightingale by TAP. They include an application that turns Nightingale files into Adobe Freehand (or maybe it's Illustrator, I forget) files. I haven't tried it myself but I've heard it works. Ron Geier