========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 00:11:25 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: TerryN2250@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Winstin Disgrace! (fwd) It seems that the audience provoked the politics and Mr. Winston was mereley responding in a witty way. By the way, I think the new speaker of the house IS a fool. You see Mr. Winston and I both still have the right to our opinions. Even if it doesn't agree with currently popular politics. And why is any of this manure being spewed on this list anyway? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 00:18:51 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: TerryN2250@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Playing Quicktime 2.0 Synth Master Tracks 6.0 is supposed to be able to play the Quicktime 2.0 software synth but I haven't tried it yet. The sounds are O.K. for reference and multi-media presentations but not for recording purposes. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 22:41:00 PST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Craig Marks Subject: midi faders Comments: To: emusic-l Hiya -- Does anybody out there know if a midi controller in the form of faders exists? When I mix my sequences in Vision I have to use the mouse to control each "channel" individually. The "Virtual mixer" is midi controllable. I thought that having physical faders in front of me that controlled the "virtual faders" would make my mixing infinitely easier. Does anything like this exist? If not, could I build it? Would it be easy?(I have a tendency to make things I'm building explode). Thanks for any info -- or suggestions for other solutions. -Craig ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 07:39:14 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Phillips/Healy Subject: Re: midi faders >Hiya -- Does anybody out there know if a midi controller in the form of >faders exists? I use a Peavey 1600 MIDI fader unit and am thoughly happy with it. Might take some system exclusive programming chops at times but if *I* can figure it out, then.... John John J.H. Phillips, Carolyn Healy -TerraGizmo Studios -Philadelphia, PA. USA jpch@pobox.upenn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 14:33:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Peter M. Donato" Subject: equipment desperately needed!!!! Comments: To: synth-l@AMERICAN.EDU Comments: cc: emusic-l@AMERICAN.EDU PLEASE!!! I need desperately a new or used: MACKIE 1202 or any other 8/12 channel mixer w/ good eq's (under $300, please! ANY AMP, at least 100 watts. Thanks, I have had no such luck in the past 3 months ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 13:53:08 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: howell@CATS.UCSC.EDU Subject: icmc Does anyone out there have the call for papers for the 1995 International Computer Music Conference (ICMC) they could email me? Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 16:24:36 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Robi Smith Subject: Re: equipment desperately needed!!!! In-Reply-To: <950121143240_1181933@aol.com> If you ca not find it used, try Abracadabra DJ Pro Shop. The number is 1-(800)-355-SPIN (7746). Call for a catelog or price listings. On Sat, 21 Jan 1995, Peter M. Donato wrote: > PLEASE!!! > I need desperately a new or used: > > MACKIE 1202 or any other 8/12 channel mixer w/ good eq's (under $300, > please! > > ANY AMP, at least 100 watts. > > Thanks, I have had no such luck in the past 3 months > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:32:33 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? Re ADAT vs DA88, Joey Whitesides wrote... >The ADAT, unlike the DA88, has 8 A/D >converters and 8 D/A converters. Therefore it has 8 individual tracks of >audio information. I know that Arne has already corrected this one, but here's another thought or two. If the DA88 shared converters between tracks, it would take a very fast multiplexer to send the correct data to the correct track and the A/D would have to switch between two incoming audio inputs as well. This is sort of the reverse to early CD players MUXing left and right data through their single channel D/As. (It also caused an 11ms delay between left and right.) We wouldn't want delays occurring while we were *recording*. I guarantee that Tascam or anyone else who did this would be severely flamed! Furthermore, since the DA88 (like the ADAT) uses sigma-delta converters which run at much higher speed than the nominal sampling rate, MUXing would be very difficult. The number of tracks is not necessarily congruent with the number of A/Ds in a digital recording device. Take Yamaha's CBX-D5 for example: it supports 4 tracks of discrete audio off a hard drive and has 4 D/As feeding its outputs, but it has only 2 A/Ds. So you can have 4 tracks but only record on two of them at a time. Someone else spoke of tape problems and would prefer hard disk recorders for that reason. Of course, hard drives are becomibg less expensive every day, but compared with the medium they are still expensive. I'll work with Australian dollars since Australia is where I am. An 8-track Pro Tools is likely to cost in the vacinity of $15k excluding computer or hard drives. With, say, a Quadra 650 and 1 Gig, it would be closer to $20k. An ADAT now costs about $6500 and you'd have to buy 2 tapes to get the equivalent number of track-minutes. No, hang on: 8 tracks at 40 min/track is 320 track-minutes (over 5 hours). One tape is more than 1 gig would give you! DA88s cost more, and the tape cost as a function of track- minutes is even less. Now, even if I have my amounts and sums wrong, it is still plain that the set-up cost is less for tape, and the cost per track-minute for storage is much less. Note that I am not entering into arguments about the shelf-life of the media; these and many considerations will have a bearing on anyone's decision to buy a digital recording device. Additionally, while one can do digital mixing within a workstation, options are rather limited. I've yet to hear a digital compression algorithm that sounds like a Teletronix or a Urei LA2A or a software-implemented EQ that sounds like a Neve 1073. It takes time to develop these things and it also takes time to change people's minds about things. ADATs and DA88s are tape so they're easy to work with if that's the paradigm would been working with for most of your life. Bonus: they're digital, too (if you aren't a die-hard analogue-head!). So, which is better: ADAT or DA88? I think that by the time the DA88 has had the ADAT's current time inthe field, the second generation of ADAT machines will be out and will be more reliable. It's a question we might never resolve. And by that time, maybe we'll be able to do hard disk recording into our Newtons! Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 18:15:02 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: NEC_CEELY@FLO.ORG Subject: WORLD PREMIER of THE AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD The EARTH PREMIER of my OPERA:The Automobile Graveyard will occur on tuesday evening February 21 in JORDAN HALL at the New England Conservatotyy 290 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA. It is free! Scored for six singers, an orchestra of 12,an on stage jazz group and eight channel digital sound from a large SYNCLAVIER set up. E mail more for more info! Robert Ceely ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 16:26:45 PST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Randy_Budnikas@BUBBS.BIOLA.EDU Organization: Biola University Subject: Re: equipment desperately needed Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU >PLEASE!!! >I need desperately a new or used: >MACKIE 1202 or any other 8/12 channel mixer w/ good eq's (under $300, >please! >ANY AMP, at least 100 watts. >Thanks, I have had no such luck in the past 3 months If you can't find used equipment, try Sweetwater Sound 213-432-8176. They'll at least get you the Mackie under $300, and they're just a good company to know for any equipment need you might have. You probably already have heard of them. They're pretty big. Good luck, Randy Budnikas Randy_Budnikas@bubbs.biola.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 10:52:17 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bobby Nipper Subject: SQ1 Sites? Comments: To: "emusic-l (emusic-L - Open Conversation)" Does anyone know of any lists or sites where I might pick up some info and programs for the Ensoniq SQ1? TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bobby Nipper | Federal Paper Board |"Are you trying to tell me -------------------| Riegelwood Operations | that Jesus Christ can't This Box left | North Carolina | hit a curve ball?" intentionally | (919) 655-6411 | MAJOR LEAGUE - the movie blank | rdp1!ben1@seq.cms.uncwil.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 14:01:24 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: DrewLesso@AOL.COM Subject: TX16W discs Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU My original factory Strings disc has been damaged. Does anybody have a copy. E-mail me so we can arrange a back-up. DrewLesso@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 19:52:47 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: Re: SQ1 Sites? Heres the address for the EPS html at Oakland if you choose to join the list it deals with all ensoniq stuff and has a few Ensoniq lurkers (list address on page ) Web address http://www.acs.oakland.edu.///eps.html (this site has loads of ensoniq only utils too!) Regards Martin. >Does anyone know of any lists or sites where I might pick up some info and >programs for the Ensoniq SQ1? D.C.Martin Hazel & Rebecca Gibson-Saxty. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:08:11 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Samuel A. Brullo" Subject: Re: midi faders Craig Marks Peavy makes a "PC 1600 MIDI Controller". It should work with Opcode Vision for the Mac. Currently, that is the program that I am using with my MIDI studio. (x-cell-ant program) I seen this MIDI controller in an advertisment in the latest issue of Keyboard Mag. (Feb/95 The description states: "This general purpose MIDI controller offers 16 sliders and 16 buttons that can be programmed to send system common or system exclusive MIDI messages. In addition, 2 CV pedals and the data wheel can be used as alternate controllers. The PC-1600 has many uses including programming and controlling any of the Spectrum series sound modulers. The PC-1600 comes with 50 presets offering a variety of synth editors, sequence controllers, lighting systems controllers, etc. All presets are fully programmable, so as other needs develop, they can be programmed by the user very easily. The list price is $349.99 After seeing this ad, I am currently considering purchasing this unit. But first, I want to check it out at a retail store first. Has anyone heard any reviews for Peavy's PC 1600 MIDI controller. If so, plaese reply. Thanks! Sammy ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:40:10 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Richard Marr Subject: Re: equipment desperately needed In-Reply-To: <1995Jan21.162645.451219@bubbs.biola.edu> Try Sweetwater Sound at 219 area code...this is Fort Wayne, IN (my hometown), not the Los Angeles area. On Sat, 21 Jan 1995 Randy_Budnikas@BUBBS.BIOLA.EDU wrote: > >PLEASE!!! > >I need desperately a new or used: > > >MACKIE 1202 or any other 8/12 channel mixer w/ good eq's (under $300, > >please! > > >ANY AMP, at least 100 watts. > > >Thanks, I have had no such luck in the past 3 months > > If you can't find used equipment, try Sweetwater Sound 213-432-8176. > They'll at least get you the Mackie under $300, and they're just a good > company to know for any equipment need you might have. You probably > already have heard of them. They're pretty big. > > Good luck, > > Randy Budnikas > > Randy_Budnikas@bubbs.biola.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 08:15:23 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Nicholas J. Moenssens" Subject: Re: midi faders Midi faders are commercially available. I have seen them at several music stores in Los Angeles and Hollywood. Do not have model #'s available. Suggest you ask on SYNTH-L listing. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:39:30 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Winstin Disgrace! (fwd) >And why is any of this manure being spewed on this list anyway? Good question, since I already put ou;the administrative fiat about avoiding it, he said semi-pointedly. --- Joe M. -- The true spirit of EMUSIC-L, as encapsulated by Tapas Das: "The rep looked at me as if I was out of my mind." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:47:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: OnLand@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Equip. wanted.... I'm sorry, but I'm pretty new to mailing lists and such. How do I join the list: SYNTH-L ? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:14:19 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Taratsas" Subject: Re: Winstin Disgrace! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199501231440.JAA15056@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> PLEASE UNSCRIBE ME A.S.A.P. THANKS TOM On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, Joe McMahon wrote: > >And why is any of this manure being spewed on this list anyway? > > Good question, since I already put ou;the administrative fiat about > avoiding it, he said semi-pointedly. > > --- Joe M. > > -- > The true spirit of EMUSIC-L, as encapsulated by Tapas Das: > "The rep looked at me as if I was out of my mind." > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:15:07 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Taratsas" Subject: Re: Equip. wanted.... In-Reply-To: <950123094740_3477039@aol.com> PLEASE UNSCRIBE A.S.A.P TOM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:16:19 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mark G Simon Subject: Re: Women in emusic In-Reply-To: > > Someone mentioned that maybe men have more techno-geared brains > and interests... I'm not sure that this is true. It could possibly be a > society/cultural issue, where boys are encouraged to pursue "engineering" > types of careers and interests, and are more readily and easily accepted > in this area. I don't know.... If it makes you feel any better, I just want to let you know that here is one guy who doesn't have a techno-oriented molecule in his body. Everything I've learned about electronic music has been gained by swimming upstream, so to speak. There is very much that I will never know. Really stupid stuff, like how to program a sysex message so that it actually does something, or calculate a checksum. It's a handicap that I struggle against daily. So you shouldn't feel that this is simply a gender thing. I've sometimes contemplated taking testosterone shots before sitting down at my gear, but then realized that that would only make me go out and shoot baskets, or try to fix my car, or sit and watch a football game and guzzle beer, or hit my wife, and I still wouldn't learn anything about emusic (my wife wouldn't be very happy either). I do manage to pick up scattered pearls of wisdom by reading this list, that is when I'm not using up bandwidth arguing some point or other, usually having only marginal connection to emusic. Mark Simon mgs2@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:18:53 +1900 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Carnes Subject: Concert Announcement In-Reply-To: <199501210600.BAA610686@atlanta.american.edu> ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 38 X-Sun-Content-Length: 1632 ************************************************************************ *********************** CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENT *************************** ************************************************************************ Where: Johnson Auditorium, University of New Hamshire, Durham NH When: Sunday January 29, 1995 at 3:00 pm. Who: David Ripley: Bass/Baritone. Christopher Kies: Piano, UNH Faculty String Quartet. Michael Carnes: Electronic Orchestration Price: Free What: Michael Carnes: War Songs, Books 1 & 2. Poetry of World War I for Bass and Electronic Orchestra. Charles Ives: General Booth enters into Heaven, Charlie Rutledge, The Housatonic at Stockbridge, Serenity. Viktor Ullman: 2 Arias from Der Kaiser von Atlantis. Howard Williams: 4 Songs Kurt Weill: Second Report from the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Samuel Barber: Dover Beach, Rain Has Fallen. Notes: David Ripley is a veteran performer in many operas and oratorios. He recently played the role of Death in Victor Ullman's "The Emperor of Atlantis". He will appear in February in Ligeti's Aventures and Nouvelle Aventures at the Kennedy Center in Washington D.C. He will return to Washington in March for Absalom by Heinrich Schutz. He is on the faculties of UNH and Harvard. Michael Carnes is an occasional perpetrator of items on this list and has often mixed electronics with chamber and orchestral music. The current version of the electronic orchestra uses a K2000, a JD-990, a PCM-80 and a Mac. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:18:15 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Taratsas" Subject: Re: Equip. wanted.... In-Reply-To: <950123094740_3477039@aol.com> PLEASE UNSUBSRIBE ME A.S.A.P TOM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 16:08:20 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: Re: Women in emusic Here Here I agree Mark I am the same My other Half has to read the manual for me coz I aint got a clue, if people want to be sexist thats there lookout this is not the EMUSIS list for men, or women for that matter. We are all musicians or associated with music in some form. so why do we have to build barriers? I think maybe we should just stop spouting rubbish and get back to the Subject we are here for MUSIC. (well I am :-} ) LOOK at all the people leaving the list. Regards Martin Hazel. >If it makes you feel any better, I just want to let you know that here is >one guy who doesn't have a techno-oriented molecule in his body. >Everything I've learned about electronic music has been gained by >swimming upstream, so to speak. There is very much that I will never >know. Really stupid stuff, like how to program a sysex message so that it >actually does something, or calculate a checksum. It's a handicap that I >struggle against daily. So you shouldn't feel that this is simply a >gender thing. I've sometimes contemplated taking testosterone shots >before sitting down at my gear, but then realized that that would only >make me go out and shoot baskets, or try to fix my car, or sit and watch >a football game and guzzle beer, or hit my wife, and I still wouldn't learn >anything about emusic (my wife wouldn't be very happy either). > >I do manage to pick up scattered pearls of wisdom by reading this list, >that is when I'm not using up bandwidth arguing some point or other, >usually having only marginal connection to emusic. > >Mark Simon >mgs2@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:50:00 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Bourgouin, Gaetan" Subject: Re: SQ1 Sites? Comments: To: owner-emusic-l Bobby Nipper wrote: "Does anyone know of any lists or sites where I might pick up some info and "programs for the Ensoniq SQ1? Try this one , for SQ-x/KS-32----> ks32-request@cygnus.com Gaetan Bourgouin gbourgou@po2.mtl.marconi.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:52:12 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: harnden@PHYSICS.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: midi faders/protools Comments: To: eml@physics.american.edu 1) i've been using the peavey 1600 for some months, now, and can recommend it. it allows the faders and buttons to be programmed to do virtually anything, and if you plan out your data maps in advance editing is not too big of a pain. there are copy commands that take a lot of the work out of setting up dozens of largely redundant sysex strings. the variable output data can take several forms (in terms of byte and sign orientation). one must be aware, however, that it may limited by what it's driving. the matrix 6, for instance, will not accept inverse sysex control information (like, "have the envelope reduce the filter cutoof on attack"). as a straightforward set of midi volume controls, it's ideal. we're using it with protools, here. the only complaint i have is that there is no bank of lcd displays, just the one large display on one side of the panel. this means that you have to know the layout that you've programmed in order to use it with certainty. 2) the 4-track protools that we bought, with quadra and 1/2 gig, was about $10-12k. four more tracks and a system accelerator shouldn't be more than a couple extra grand. $20k for a system is a bit of an overestimate, i believe. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:58:52 +1900 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Colin_T._Smith@BOPS.VOA.GOV Subject: Re: midi faders In-Reply-To: TCPG1:BOPS:VOA's message <21-Jan-95 2:38:03 EST> >Hiya -- Does anybody out there know if a midi controller in the form of faders exists?< Check out the CS10 by JL Cooper. It has 8 long throw faders, jog wheel, function keys, etc. It runs around $800 and is fairly popular with hard disc recorder users. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:12:49 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: JoeMcMahon Subject: Re: Women in emusic > LOOK at all >the people leaving the list. Oh, this is about par for the course, really. We have a lot of people who sign up (which of course the list usually doesn't see) and then decide they want off; they send the unsub to the list et voila. Both emusic-l and synth-l have grown considerable over the last couple months. Perhaps I should take a head count again. --- Joe M. -- "Why don't they look? Tell me, why don't they look?" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:18:13 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: atomic city Subject: Re: The start of a musical movement In-Reply-To: <950119101523_6387320@aol.com> from "OnLand@AOL.COM" at Jan 19, 95 12:27:27 pm OnLand@AOL.COM writes-- > >Are there any Eno-phytes or Ambie-phile Musician/Composers out there >interested in E-mail, collaboration, or other Oblique Strategies? "Just carry on." :) mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Count on me arriving like an anvil from orbit...!" (j. mcmahon) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:27:08 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: atomic city Subject: Ambient music In-Reply-To: <9501201838.AA20763@indy.knoware.nl> from "P.J. Crombach" at Jan 20, 95 06:38:59 pm P.J. Crombach writes-- > >>Are there any Eno-phytes or Ambie-phile Musician/Composers out there >>interested in E-mail, collaboration, or other Oblique Strategies? > >Can anybody explain what are Eno-phytes or Ambie-phile Musician/Composers?? My guess would be, people who like the work of Brian Eno, and more specifically those who like his Ambient albums and the music they inspired (note that this sort of ambient music has no real relation to the music being sold as "ambient" these days, which is more of a relaxed techno than anything else). Recommended listening: Eno, Brian: AMBIENT 1 -- MUSIC FOR AIRPORTS AMBIENT 4 -- ON LAND DISCREET MUSIC THURSDAY AFTERNOON THE SHUTOV ASSEMBLY Eno, Brian, and Harold Budd: AMBIENT 2 -- THE PLATEAUX OF MIRROR Gordon, Edward Larry ("Laraaji"): AMBIENT 3 -- DAY OF RADIANCE ESSENCE/UNIVERSE Roach, Steve: STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE QUIET MUSIC 1 (cassette only) QUIET MUSIC 2 ( " ) QUIET MUSIC 3 ( " ) QUIET MUSIC (CD; all of QM 2 plus part of QM 3) Watkins, Kit: THOUGHT TONES VOLUME ONE THOUGHT TONES VOLUME TWO CIRCLE That ought to get you started. >Is this a movement?? No, but it probably ought to be. :) >It sounds cool. It is. mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Count on me arriving like an anvil from orbit...!" (j. mcmahon) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:44:24 PST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Randy_Budnikas@BUBBS.BIOLA.EDU Organization: Biola University Subject: Re: equipment desperately needed Comments: cc: Will_Stewart@bubbs.biola.edu >Try Sweetwater Sound at 219 area code...this is Fort Wayne, IN (my >hometown), not the Los Angeles area. Sorry if I caused confusion. That's what happens when you print out your phone list at 50% reduction. I just looked at the number under my microscope and it is actually 219. Randy Randy_Budnikas@bubbs.biola.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:11:12 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: RMILLARD@UTCVM.BITNET Subject: Re: Women in emusic In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:16:19 -0500 from I might add to this discussion that there is yet another unexplored thread. We as primarily EuroCentric minded peoples expect different things from boys and girls. I would suggest that the females within our culture are expected to excercize greater responcibility and common sence when planning for their futures. Men on the other hand are expected to to be less practical with respect to life in general. Then ultimatly if a guy says mom I'm going to be a musician she says that's nice. The whole time probably thinking that its for the girls. We all can guess what parents say and think when it's a girl. Is it right? Well No. Will I do it? I hope not. As an Anthropology student I think all of this is very interesting. As a musician " wannabe " I hope more people from all walks of life join us. rmillard@utcvm.utc.edu Michael in Chattanooga ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 03:05:43 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: MJKocisci@AOL.COM Subject: Quicktime 2.0 MIDI -> SMF? I've played around with Apple's QuickTime 2.0 enough to know that you can convert MIDI files into QuickTime files (MooV's). Does anyone know how to convert something back the other way (from QT 2 to SMF)? Thanks! Mark Kociscin MJK7911@rit.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:33:54 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Richard Clingman Subject: HardDisk-based vs. VideoTape-based... In-Reply-To: <950120003247_7240671@aol.com> from "Tubajunior@AOL.COM" at Jan 20, 95 00:32:49 am > > Words to live by. Wait till Apple comes out with PCI port powermacs and buy > Protools 3. Its the future. It's incredibly slick, and spinning video head > technology is so clunky(read undependable as in multiple repairs) Good luck. > > Rob Barrett, Jr. > I can see where one might think that there are mechanical reasons for avoiding one of the videotape-based machines for doing digital multi-tracking. I would think the same except for the 12 years I spent working in the videotape production field. To this day I am amazed at the reliability of the videotape machine (and it's spinning heads). I can tell you first hand that we drove those machines unbelievably hard day in and day out with (in MOST cases), absolutely no problems!!! The place I worked got into duplication big time after I left (over 100 machines grinding out dupes), and there were almost no problems there either! I have as yet to make a purchase decision either way, but am getting closer. Based on experience, I would recommend that the choice be made based on what feature functionality you need. TapeBased may SEEM clunky, but it has an excellent track record for dependability. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Richard Clingman,Sr.Training Developer | I want to put a small video in a ADP Dealer Services; Portland, Oregon | window here in my signature!!! (503) 294-4200 ext. 2419 | OK, I'll settle for a small audio email: richard@plaza.ds.adp.com | playback!!! URL: http://www.teleport.com/~cling/ | Oh, the WorldWideWeb!! Yessss! ____________________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 09:06:38 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Pam Henry Subject: Equipment for junior high use Comments: To: EMUSIC-L Ok, folks. I've done my homework and I'm ready with my questions. I teach in a 7th and 8th grade junior high. The music staff is getting ready to write a grant to get keyboards/synthesizers, computers, printers, and software for a music lab. In this lab we would like the capability for students to compose original music as well as transpose existing music. As always with public education, cost will be an issue. However, this is the beginning stages and I will ask for what I want with the idea that I can cut back if given some but not all requested funds. Please remember as you answer these questions that we are dealing with kids in the age range of 12 to 14. Questions--- 1. Do we go Mac or IBM? 2. What kind of printer? Laser jet, etc? Brand? 3. What kind of keyboards? Straight keyboards or synthesizers? Brands? 4. Finale or Encore? 5. Are there other programs we HAVE to have other than #4? 6. What are integrated programs? Do we need them? If so, which one? 7. Do we need graphics programs for anything? 8. What ear training and theory programs are good? 9. How does CD-Rom figure into all of this? 10. How much memory do we need in the hardware? 11. What size of monitor? 12. Teachers, what applications do you use your labs in classroom situations? How many stations? Thanks in advance. A lot of what is discussed on this list makes no sense to me but I have found that I am learning just by "listening" in on the conversations. Pam Pam Henry phenry@services.dese.state.mo.us Band Director 816-524-4730 Pleasant Lea Junior High FAX 816-525-4338 630 SW Persels Lee's Summit, MO 64081 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:00:22 WET Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Suvak Lajos Subject: AWE32+Roland SCB-15 Hello!!! Does the AWE32 work with the Roland SCB-15 Gs daughter board? Which Roland synthesizer compatible with the SCB-15 card? Please answer me:suvakl@pmmf01.pmmf.hu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 12:07:12 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: Re: Women in emusic This whole thing is still getting out of hand. It is NOT to do with what is right and wrong but what you want if your heart is in it you will make it work no matter what sex you are. Now can anybody who is not still arguing give me any ideas on a 32ch synth module. I've looked at the SC88. thanks ~Martin Anyone can mail me no matter what Sex/color/size etc. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:47:40 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: OnLand@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Winstin Disgrace! I don't think you guys know what you're talking about. I'd rather think that Winstin simply didn't want his music politicized in any way AT ALL. (A veiw that I wholly agree with). After all, Music (That is to say pure music -no lyrics or titles- ) is by it's very nature completely apolitical. I personally couldn't care less who's in charge as long as they allow freedom of expression through music and the arts to survive. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 12:39:41 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Quadraverb 2 Comments: To: Emusic List I recently got a Quadraverb 2 (actually won it in the MIX/EM Alesis Dream Studio Sweepstakes) and i love it. My Mackie 1202 only has two mono sends with stereo returns, so i cannot use the Q2 to it's full stereo potential. But, using the two sends to feed L and right on the Q2, then creating two multieffects programs that take a mono in (L and R in) and stereo output, i now have two effects units with stereo out. Sure, i only have a single return level, but i can adjust for that in the Q2. Anyone else have a Q2 and be interested in swapping algorithms? Just thought i'd post some favorable words about the thing, since it hasn't come up in discussions yet. Arne -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 15:20:37 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Peter M. Donato" Subject: Re: equipment desperately needed Once again, Randy, thank you. It is not often that you find such a genuinely nice person. Pete Buggy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 15:44:08 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Peter M. Donato" Subject: Re: Equipment for junior high... Comments: cc: phenry@services.dese.state.mo.us Following are some (helpful maybe) answers for your questions. 1. I would recommend IBMS w/ windows, they are just as easy and cheaper 2. InkJet. I have and highly recommend the Canon BJ-200e 3. Synths. I have and recommend the KAWAI K-11. But, on a budget, I would recommend the KAWAI X-40D, X-50D, they're both VERY EASY TO USE!!! 4. Neither Finale or Encore. For sequencing and transcribing, I have and HIGHLY recommend Cakewalk for WINDOWS. Then, you won't need any other programs for sure. 5. you won't really need graphics programs for anything, unless you want to print cassette tape brochures and folders, etc. 6. I again, Have and recommend MIBAC MUSIC LESSONS for Windows. Teaches scales...dorian, jazz, etc all kinds of key signatures, circle of 5ths, EVERYTHING! 7. CD-ROM doesn't really fit into all this unless you want a thousand MIDI (music files on one disk) I have one and really don't use it. 8. You will NEED, at least 2 Megs, I recommend 4, but if the budget allows, please get 8 megs of RAM. 9. oh, 14-15", that's what you'll get for cheap. (monitors) 10. I don't have the patience to teach, so don't bother asking me about my labs. In case you're wondering who the hell I am, My name is Peter. I currently am the music director at two churches in Fairfield and Bridgeport, Conecticut. I just released my 1994 Christmas album, "An Orchestral Christmas," done completely with Cakewalk ver 3.0 for Win, A KAWAI K-11 and countless other equipment. Please feel free to mail me (BuggyBump@aol.com) anytime and I will always have an answer for you. Bye-bye {{{BuggyBump*** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:28:21 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Women in emusic Actually, the whole thing started out as an observation that there is an absence of women in general from electronic music per se. I don't believe that anyone said that they thought there was a specific limitation on any particular group; we were simply speculating as to how e-music could be more inclusive. The question is, I suppose, is it the people in emusic who marginalize it or is it emusic itself? I don't think anyone has any definite answers yet. Perhaps because the people who could answer best wouldn't touch this forum with a ten-foot pole. :) --- Joe M. -- "Why don't they look? Tell me, why don't they look?" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:39:35 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Women in emusic On 24 Jan, Michael in Chattanooga said... > We as primarily EuroCentric minded peoples expect different things from boys > and girls. Name a culture which doesn't. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 20:43:39 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: VLeComer@AOL.COM Subject: Re: midi faders/protools "2) the 4-track protools that we bought, with quadra and 1/2 gig, was about $10-12k. four more tracks and a system accelerator shouldn't be more than a couple extra grand. $20k for a system is a bit of an overestimate, i believe." System accelerator card and additional four voices for an existing ProTools system is more in the realm of $4K. The 16voice PTIII system seems to be more in the realm of $7-8K. Between $15K and $20K seems to be a reasonable estimate of what a complete and usable system would cost. ---Victor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 20:27:59 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tom Maszerowski Subject: Polyphony and CZ-5000 I have a Casio CZ-5000 that I use with Band in a Box to act as my backup band. So far, so good. The problem is, while the CZ can play up to 8 voices simultaneously, this is not really polyphonic in the way most software would seem to expect. I can have piano, bass, and drums playing all at once, but I only get one note of the piano. My question is am I stuck or is there something I can tinker with on the CZ to change this. Thanks in advance. Tom ----- tcm@amusing.servtech.com BMW K75s DoD #1957 BMWMOA #59113 Heritage H-575 She pulled up her petticoat then I pulled out for Tulsa! - Ray Benson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 21:14:02 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: john rossi Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? In-Reply-To: <0098ABDF061ADC20.00000F9C@ems.com> I purchased an ADAT (actually 2 at the time) about a year ago. I have been extremely happy with its performance in the getting music on tape endpoint. In regard to durability, my ADAT was used in a 3-week recording session and used very heavily at times. One area in which the device shined was in track manipulating and in failure to produce data errors. When I first decided to buy a DMT, I had decided on the Tascam because of the mechanical reliability of the media. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (well, maybe a nuclear physicist) to determine that the whole mechanical design of the VHS tape is for shit. The tape is packed on unguided hubs and actually bangs around inside the casing when you shake the tape container. While SVHS may have improved the actual bandwidth of the format it really didn't change the imperfections in the design of the shell. As a matter of fact, the mechanical action of the VHS format (in shuttling the tape) and the oversimplistic design of the tape cartrige were to of the main reasons Sony decided not to continue to develop the format and sell it to JVC (yes, Mike, even though Matsushita popularized the format in the US under the names of RCA, Quasar, and Panasonic, JVC was the developer of the format). What ever possessed Sony to even undertake the development of the format when Beta was, and continues to be a much superior format, is still a mystery. If you look at the 8-mm mechanism and tape, it occurs to you that it is a minature version of Beta (which was pretty a miniturization of 3/4" U-matic). The tape housing and cartirdge are much more a precision device than their VHS counterparts. One thing that always bugged me about VHS was the fact that the spools on either side of the tape are distanced so far apart. Anyway, looking at the two design formats it would be predictible that VHS should be a victim of more mechanical problems involving the tape. While I have never played for more than a couple of minutes with a DA-88, the VHS machine we were using in that marathon session did start to exhibit mechanical tape-related malfunctions during the second and third weeks. Basically, the malfunctions had to deal with the tape loading mechanism (Errors 1 and 2) and they appeared with greater frequency as the session went on. Generally, a software reset was all that was necessary to get the thing movoing again, but it was a bit worrying the first time it happened. That said, as I mentioned above, once the tape actually moved there was no problem in data errors or A/d or D/A performance. In a way, I guess you would expect this. About 15 years the primary engineer of my company CrystaLogic started playing around with algorithms for putting 16 bit multitrack data on Beta tape. Although we never worked up a prototype, the design would have enabled 6 channels of 50 Khz x 16-bit data to be recorded (along with tracking information and what would be called sub-codes today) in the approximately 2.5 MHz od bandwidth which exists in the Beta format in the standard play mode. Indeed, there was all kinds of room left for things like track redundancy and dead-safe space. So, it should come as no surprise that we can now get 8 tracks of 48KHz x 16 bit data into the newer formats 4-5 MHz bandwidth. When the two new formats were introduced, I really didn't think that there was going to be a problem with getting data on or off the tape. In terms of day to day use, I would have to say that the DA88 has a slight electronic edge in terms of tape performance because the HI-8 format has more bandwidth (although I'm not sure how this translates to a comparison of running HI-8 at about 120% of standard HI-8 speed to running S-VHS at about 300% of standard S-VHS speed (traditional logic suggests that you pick up some headroom by speeding up the tape but I'm not sure either manufacturer has actually divulged what the gains really are). At any rate, compensatory for the Hi-8 is that Hi-8 tape formulations have been shown to exhibet better coerceivity than S-VHS which I think ultimately gives Hi-8 better digital data handling performance (your mileage may vary). I guess that what this rather lengthy post is getting at is that the actual performance differential between the formats is probably nill. My guess is that both will perform adequately well, and in many cases better than analog multitrack tape (sorry DACC) for the task of getting music on and off tape. The experience with the ADAT suggests that mechanical problems are the biggest thing to worry about. Both formats have their advantages and drawbacks. If you are going to buy one (read that not really plan to expand past 8 channels), I would have to believe that the Tascam or the soon to be released Sony would be better investments. On the other hand, the BRC is capable of some very sexy things that can't be accomplished with the DA88's remote autolocater. So, if the plan is to eventually expand to 16 or more tracks, especially when you take into consideration the price diffeential, the ADAT gets my vote. Now, things change and we haven't seen anything from Sony on peripherals. All I know is that if either Sony or Tascam could duplicate the functions of the BRC in their remote controllers, or if some enterprising party (JL Cooper, perhaps) comes up with a controller for the DA-88 which performs as well as the BRC I'd sell my ADAT and BRC and buy a Hi-8 format machine (or 2). John 3 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:13:47 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Equipment for junior high use Comments: To: emusic-l@AMERICAN.EDU >Please remember as you answer these questions that we are dealing with >kids in the age range of 12 to 14. An important point. You also do not necessarily have persons with deep experience in the hardware available to troubleshoot problems and install stuff. So: >1. Do we go Mac or IBM? I'll have to disagree with Peter. I think that you'll do better with the Macs, simply from the standpoint of getting them up and running, if nothing else. For example: let's put a CD-ROM drive on both machines. On the Mac, you hook it up, run the installler software and you're done. On the PC, well, you better know a fair amount about the system. This is to be avoided; the machine should just work and not require you to become highly involved in its innards. >2. What kind of printer? Laser jet, etc? Brand? Most any ink-jet printer will put out (at least) 300 dpi output. Speed would be more a factor than print quality. If this isn't a problem, take your pick. Some ink-jet inks are water-soluble! (Photocopies get around this problem nicely). >3. What kind of keyboards? Straight keyboards or synthesizers? Brands? I would recommend something on the order of the Korg M-1. Basic machine, sounds good, built like a tank. Some synthesis capability, but not a lot. A pretty good "plug-it-in-and-use-it" machine, and available for cheap used. I'm sure there will be other recommendations. >4. Finale or Encore? Umph. Finale can do *anything*, but it is hard to learn. There may be a better choice than just these two... If you go IBM PC, Cakewalk has a very useable notation mode and prints fairly decent music. I believe Notator Logic does as well (available on the Mac, maybe on the PC too). This also gives you a sequencer as well (see #5). >5. Are there other programs we HAVE to have other than #4? If you intend the students to do write multi-part music and play it back on the keyboards, rather than print it and have other instrumentalists play it, you'll need something that can function as a sequencer - either something on-board (the one on the M-1 is probably too simplistic) or a separate software package. Vision seems to be favored by people who have used both it and Performer. If all they'll be doing is writing music to be performed on something else, then a notation program alone will do it. >6. What are integrated programs? Do we need them? If so, which one? I'm guessing you mean combination sequencer/notation, or suchlike... See comments for #5. Again, Notator Logic is probably the cheapest combo that puts out respectable output. >7. Do we need graphics programs for anything? Probably not. >8. What ear training and theory programs are good? I know there are such things - I think Opcode has one out called "Clare" which actually uses the Mac's microphone to listen to notes being played or sung... >9. How does CD-Rom figure into all of this? Well, certainly there are some of the Voyager CD's; generally this is tutorial stuff, but not necessarily much more than a bell-and-whistle thing at the moment. If it came down to being able to buy a better keyboard because you left off the CD-ROM, I'd leave it off. Some Mac models have them already built-in, so you'd be able to use them or ignore them as you pleased. >10. How much memory do we need in the hardware? Running System 7.5, I'd recommend at *least* 16M. >11. What size of monitor? Depends. If you'll be doing a lot of multi-stave composing, go as big as you can. If it's mostly going toe sequencing, a 14" monitor will probably do fine. Apple may be doing deals on its 20" monitor at the moment; I haven't checked for a while. >12. Teachers, what applications do you use your labs in classroom situations? How many stations? Can't answer this one. Pam, would you be willing to let us know what the proposal looks like at the moment, just so we basically know which direction you're headed with this? A recording studio paradigm vs. a composing-for-other-instruments paradigm would lead to very different recommendations. Perhaps we can guide you a little more as to what seems the best.. --- Joe M. -- "Why don't they look? Tell me, why don't they look?" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:56:22 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Schmeggi@AOL.COM Subject: ambient music I would also recommend Morton Feldman's 'piano and string quartet', played by the Kronos quartet with Aki Takahashi(?) on piano. Single track, eighty mins long. Series of chords and arpeggios. Could be described as a minimilist work, but there are way too many pitches used. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:51:04 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Janet M. 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(415) 723-3811 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TO MEDIA Stanford mixes computer music and live performance CCRMA, Stanford's computer music center, will present its winter concert at 8 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 4, in Dinkelspiel Auditorium on the Stanford campus. Using the large concert hall as a venue enables the CCRMA artists to incorporate more live performance into their concert this quarter. The program will include: live improvisation by alt.music.out--a "free jazz" group with Lukas Ligeti on drums and Nick Porcaro on piano; live improvisation with tapes by Marco Trevisani (piano) and guest artist Davide Rochesso (guitar); a piece for guitar and computers written and performed by Cem Duruoz; the premiere of Celso Aguiar's new work for tape; and Nicky Hind's minimalist tape piece Rain. Nick Porcaro is also one of the authors of SynthBuilder, a graphical synthesizer-patch editor running on the NeXT computer. The program implements the latest in synthesis--the Digital Waveguide--and will be used in the concert for live processing of the improvisations on stage. Directed by John Chowning, Stanford's Doreen B. Townsend Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA) is one of the major centers for computer music in the world. It provides an interdisciplinary environment where composers and researchers can work together using digital technology as a new musical medium. Tickets, $7 general admission and $4 students, are available at Tresidder Ticket Office, (415) 723-4317, or at the door. For information, call the Stanford Music Department at (415) 723- 3811. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:13:40 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: Re: Women in emusic What about the Kibbutz? >On 24 Jan, Michael in Chattanooga said... > >> We as primarily EuroCentric minded peoples expect different things from boys >> and girls. > >Name a culture which doesn't. > M.H. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 08:38:25 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Greg Dorter Subject: Re: ambient music In-Reply-To: <950124223521_5632746@aol.com> On Tue, 24 Jan 1995 Schmeggi@AOL.COM wrote: > I would also recommend Morton Feldman's 'piano and string quartet', played by > the Kronos quartet with Aki Takahashi(?) on piano. I second the recommendation. If you can find 80 minutes to sit back and listen with no distractions, it's a very powerful experience. > Could be described as a minimilist > work, but there are way too many pitches used. And it's far too interesting. Greg Dorter University of Western Ontario 215 Bernard Ave. gdorter@julian.uwo.ca London, ON N6A 2M9 519-438-2287 CANADA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 10:55:49 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joshua Fried Subject: Re: ambient music?? In-Reply-To: from "Greg Dorter" at Jan 25, 95 08:38:25 am > > On Tue, 24 Jan 1995 Schmeggi@AOL.COM wrote: > > > I would also recommend Morton Feldman's 'piano and string quartet', played by > > the Kronos quartet with Aki Takahashi(?) on piano. > > I second the recommendation. If you can find 80 minutes to sit back and > listen with no distractions, it's a very powerful experience. > > > Could be described as a minimilist > > work, but there are way too many pitches used. > > And it's far too interesting. > > Greg Dorter University of Western Ontario Wait a second folks! The best minimalism *is* interesting, but in a different way from other musics. In general, the important musical revolutions include a new way of listening and hearing music. cf. La Monte Young, EARLY Glass, EARLY Reich. Their writings too. Feldman *is* awesome, of course. jf@escape.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:58:29 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: Digidesign Hi has anybody seen or heard (or even got a demo) Digedesigns Turbosynth v2 or got any ideas of a peice of software that will run on my mac without requiring a card, that will allow me to edit EPS samples ? Martin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:58:35 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: Re: ambient music Yes what a great peice of minimilist music But as is added with maximal key changes, also what about Gavin Bryars " Jesus blood never failed me yet " >I would also recommend Morton Feldman's 'piano and string quartet', played by >the Kronos quartet with Aki Takahashi(?) on piano. Single track, eighty mins >long. Series of chords and arpeggios. Could be described as a minimilist >work, but there are way too many pitches used. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 13:28:27 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Wired4Soun@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Equipment for junior high use >>I teach in a 7th and 8th grade junior high. The music staff is getting ready to write a grant to get keyboards/synthesizers, computers, printers, and software for a music lab... > Whew! Great summary of needs ;-) I'll be curious to see what kind of feedback you get. My involvement is always as "the outside guy" who shows up, does neat things, and leaves. So, my thoughts and point of view are different. I think any of the equipment you end up getting will be fine - it's all good stuff these days. IBM/Mac - I'm a Mac guy, so I think you should be as smart as me! ;-) Actually, I think the music notation question is a bigger consideration. You must keep focused on how your energy gets used up (yours and the student's.) The notation thing can totally suck the life right out of you without *creating* anything! Some of the new programs that just include a notation output as an addition are more supportive of the creative process. You don't want to get so hung up on detail work that you lose your creative urge. A quick, logical, general midi - style sequencer will serve your young students well. Opcode, Passport, MOTU, OSC's Metro - they're all nice. (But, do _you_ have to teach them the computer before you can make music?) I have always used dedicated music workstations like Ensoniq's samplers and synthesizers ( ASR-10 & TS-10.) They are fast & intuitive, but now, I think how more efficient and "visual" the editing can be on a Mac. Your cost per station will be higher, though. Some of each (workstation synths & computer stations) could be a good compromise (a good perspective for the students to experience, too.) BTW, Peavey makes a cool little multi-headphone box ($50? per keyboard) that allows each keyboard to be jammin' away in the same room while you wander around and plug-in to hear each student. Kids can easily listen to a friend's work, too. I'll be anxious to hear what's going on. Please put me on a list of interested folks to keep posted :> Are you near St. Louis? St. Charles? or KC? Tom Jordan Wired for Sound! - computer music for kids 8786 Simpson Court Mason, OH 45040 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 13:18:50 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Digidesign In-Reply-To: <9501251646.AA25972@poseidon.atlas.co.uk> from "Martin Hazel" at Jan 25, 95 04:58:29 pm > Hi has anybody seen or heard (or even got a demo) Digedesigns Turbosynth > v2 or got any ideas of a peice of software that will run on my mac without > requiring a card, that will allow me to edit EPS samples ? Turbosynth isn't a sample editor, not really at least, it's a sample mutilation tool, if anything. The latest version is called Turbosynth SC (as in SampleCell) and no longer supports sample dump to anything beside the digidesign SampleCell cards. It's about $350 retail and still a great piece of software if you have a way to get the produced sounds to your sampler. The only sample editor currently available that also lets you dump samples to and from the EPS is Alchemy from Passport systems. I think i've seen it for about $450 in catalogs. -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:23:38 PST Reply-To: dunn@intellicorp.com Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Casey Dunn Subject: ambient music In-Reply-To: <950124223521_5632746@aol.com> David Berhman's music might well fit this catagory. on CD you can find "Unforseen Events". the old Dodge "The Earths Magnetic Field" Harmonic Choir's work, while not EMUSIC, often prompts my listner-victms to ask "What did they use to do that?" also Ligetti's choral works. Fripps recent soundscapes (1999) and old frippertronics. (LtPF) If you can find some of the old "Lovley Music" label disks as well. neato thing to do - find an old high quality turntable that plays at 16 and down-shift work. I esp like downshifting old King Crimson (like red), P. Glass' organ music, and prima-donna jazz pianists. an old RtoR will workwell for this, and you get the added bennies of not shaving excess vinyl off your dinosaur slabs. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 15:21:41 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jon Crystal Subject: Re: Digidesign > >The only sample editor currently available that also lets you dump samples >to and from the EPS is Alchemy from Passport systems. I think i've seen it >for about $450 in catalogs. > >-- >Arne F. Claassen >On the Web: Or, alternatively, look for older versions (=used) of Turbosynth (which does specifically speak to the EPS, and does do some basic sample editing) or Sound Designer II sk, which similarly has a built-in interface to older samplers. I use both and enjoy them. Jon Crystal University of Vermont 357 Waterman Burlington, VT 05405 email: jcrystal@moose.uvm.edu phone: 802 656-1163 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 14:55:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Macalester College Music Department Subject: Re: Equipment for junior high use In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Wed, 25 Jan 1995 13:28:27 -0500" <950125132609_6420577@aol.com> re: suggestions for a Jr. H.S. emusic lab, I am not sure who posted this question in the first place, but you are certain to get information back which would be of interest to several of us, at least. Would you mind creating a digest and either posting it to the list, if others indicate an interest, or just let us know when it is done, and we can email you directly requesting a copy. Thanks very much! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Ed Forner Macalester College Music Department + + forner@macalstr.edu voice (612) 696-6189 + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 17:57:41 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe Dierker Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 23 Jan 1995 to 24 Jan 1995 >>>Are there any Eno-phytes or Ambie-phile Musician/Composers out there >>>interested in E-mail, collaboration, or other Oblique Strategies? absolutely - talk to me... jade ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 20:09:17 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: JJSpring@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Equipment for junior high... For sequencing, it is hard to beat Cakewalk Pro for Windows, as I am sure many of my fellow EMUSIC peers will attest too. It will do just about anything you want it to, as well as being genuinely easy to use. For equipment, the first place I would look would be the classified ads. In this day of rapidly changing technology, all the synth makers seem to be in a battle to come up with something new constantly. As a result, there are tons of great equipment available for very reasonable prices. Good luck!!! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 20:34:19 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: DANIELWATSON@DELPHI.COM Subject: Equipment for junior high use To Pam Henry in regards to the music lab, I teach at a middle school in florida and am in a similar situation. I have'nt made a purchase yet but I have been doing a great deal of research. I can't advise you on all the areas that you listed but will try to help where I can. 1. "Do we go with Mac or IBM?" That is a volatile question. Each has diehard advocates in it's camp. I, for one, am of Mac kind. It's point- and-click user-interface makes it simple for us "dumbies" who get the shakes when encountering DOS. IBM Windows addresses this but, in my opinion, not as seamlessly as Mac. Cost of basic unit: $1,000-1,500. 2. "What kind of printer?" I personally use a Mac Stylewriter II, an inkjet printer,and am hard-pressed to see the difference between it and laser jet when printing score from Finale. It's cost effective and very reliable. Cost: $250-300. 3. "What kind of keyboards?" The combination of the Roland SC-7 sound-module and it's compatible master keyboard( I think it's called the SC-200) are perfect for a lab. The module's sounds are changed through the computer and the keyboard is about 5 octaves in length, making it small enough to have several side-by-side in a classroom setting. Cost of SC-7: $ 280. Cost of SC-200: $300. 4. "Finale or Encore?" & 5. "Are their other..." If you want to teach basic composition skills, their are programs called "Sequencers" that record keyboard parts like a tape deck but they dont record sound. They play back what you played through your keyboard.Most programs like this, "Performer" for instance, have a notational aspect to the program that will print out what has been played into it. This may require some "tweaking" to print out as exactly as you want it, but that is true of all of these programs.(Anybody out there have other suggestions- please sound off). I use Finale professionally but it has a "steep learning curve". In other words, for junior high kids, it might be daunting. 8. "What ear training and theory programs are good?" I don't have any suggestions here. Any body out there want to enlighten us? 9. "How does CD-ROM figure into all of this?" There are some absolutely wonderful CD-Rom's for music education. Interactive CD's like Benjamin Briten's "Young peoples guide to the orchetra" and Microsoft's "Musical Instruments" to name a few. Everybody out ther chime in if you have other suggestions. If you can't afford to have a CD drive in every computer than at least have a couple for learning stations. 10. "How much memory do we need in the hardware?" I would say a minimum of 4 meg, but 8 meg for optimum use. 11. "What size of monitor?" Macintosh usually includes a 14" monitor with its educational packages. For educational use these are more than adequate. That's all I've got for now. If anybody is running a lab a can shed additional light on any of the above, PLEASE do so! I hope this has been helpful. Daniel Watson Berkeley Preparatory School Reach me at DANIELWATSON@Delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 23:24:56 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: john rossi Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? (fwd) I sdent this last night but it didn't post... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 21:14:02 -0500 (EST) From: john rossi To: Electronic Music Discussion List Cc: Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? I purchased an ADAT (actually 2 at the time) about a year ago. I have been extremely happy with its performance in the getting music on tape endpoint. In regard to durability, my ADAT was used in a 3-week recording session and used very heavily at times. One area in which the device shined was in track manipulating and in failure to produce data errors. When I first decided to buy a DMT, I had decided on the Tascam because of the mechanical reliability of the media. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (well, maybe a nuclear physicist) to determine that the whole mechanical design of the VHS tape is for shit. The tape is packed on unguided hubs and actually bangs around inside the casing when you shake the tape container. While SVHS may have improved the actual bandwidth of the format it really didn't change the imperfections in the design of the shell. As a matter of fact, the mechanical action of the VHS format (in shuttling the tape) and the oversimplistic design of the tape cartrige were to of the main reasons Sony decided not to continue to develop the format and sell it to JVC (yes, Mike, even though Matsushita popularized the format in the US under the names of RCA, Quasar, and Panasonic, JVC was the developer of the format). What ever possessed Sony to even undertake the development of the format when Beta was, and continues to be a much superior format, is still a mystery. If you look at the 8-mm mechanism and tape, it occurs to you that it is a minature version of Beta (which was pretty a miniturization of 3/4" U-matic). The tape housing and cartirdge are much more a precision device than their VHS counterparts. One thing that always bugged me about VHS was the fact that the spools on either side of the tape are distanced so far apart. Anyway, looking at the two design formats it would be predictible that VHS should be a victim of more mechanical problems involving the tape. While I have never played for more than a couple of minutes with a DA-88, the ADAT machine we were using in that marathon session did start to exhibit mechanical tape-related malfunctions during the second and third weeks. Basically, the malfunctions had to deal with the tape loading mechanism (Errors 1 and 2) and they appeared with greater frequency as the session went on. Generally, a software reset was all that was necessary to get the thing movoing again, but it was a bit worrying the first time it happened. That said, as I mentioned above, once the tape actually moved there was no problem in data errors or A/d or D/A performance. In a way, I guess you would expect this. About 15 years the primary engineer of my company CrystaLogic started playing around with algorithms for putting 16 bit multitrack data on Beta tape. Although we never worked up a prototype, the design would have enabled 6 channels of 50 Khz x 16-bit data to be recorded (along with tracking information and what would be called sub-codes today) in the approximately 2.5 MHz od bandwidth which exists in the Beta format in the standard play mode. Indeed, there was all kinds of room left for things like track redundancy and dead-safe space. So, it should come as no surprise that we can now get 8 tracks of 48KHz x 16 bit data into the newer formats 4-5 MHz bandwidth. When the two new formats were introduced, I really didn't think that there was going to be a problem with getting data on or off the tape. In terms of day to day use, I would have to say that the DA88 has a slight electronic edge in terms of tape performance because the HI-8 format has more bandwidth (although I'm not sure how this translates to a comparison of running HI-8 at about 120% of standard HI-8 speed to running S-VHS at about 300% of standard S-VHS speed (traditional logic suggests that you pick up some headroom by speeding up the tape but I'm not sure either manufacturer has actually divulged what the gains really are). At any rate, compensatory for the Hi-8 is that Hi-8 tape formulations have been shown to exhibet better coerceivity than S-VHS which I think ultimately gives Hi-8 better digital data handling performance (your mileage may vary). I guess that what this rather lengthy post is getting at is that the actual performance differential between the formats is probably nill. My guess is that both will perform adequately well, and in many cases better than analog multitrack tape (sorry DACC) for the task of getting music on and off tape. The experience with the ADAT suggests that mechanical problems are the biggest thing to worry about. Both formats have their advantages and drawbacks. If you are going to buy one (read that not really plan to expand past 8 channels), I would have to believe that the Tascam or the soon to be released Sony would be better investments. On the other hand, the BRC is capable of some very sexy things that can't be accomplished with the DA88's remote autolocater. So, if the plan is to eventually expand to 16 or more tracks, especially when you take into consideration the price diffeential, the ADAT gets my vote. Now, things change and we haven't seen anything from Sony on peripherals. All I know is that if either Sony or Tascam could duplicate the functions of the BRC in their remote controllers, or if some enterprising party (JL Cooper, perhaps) comes up with a controller for the DA-88 which performs as well as the BRC I'd sell my ADAT and BRC and buy a Hi-8 format machine (or 2). John 3 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:58:45 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: ambient music?? Hi ambient fans & haters... > The best minimalism *is* interesting > ...cf. La Monte Young, EARLY Glass, EARLY Reich. Sorry, folks. I *never* found Glass's ostinato arpeggios interesting! But before you flame me, I'll admit that my tastes (then, if not now) might be questionable. Mike Oldfield was my guitar hero! Regards, David ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 11:34:45 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: OnLand@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Women in emusic >What about the Kibbutz? >>>On 24 Jan, Michael in Chattanooga said... >> >>> We as primarily EuroCentric minded peoples expect different things from boys >>> and girls. >> >>Name a culture which doesn't. > excuse me this IS a MUSIC list ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 11:07:17 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: OnLand@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Equipment for junior high... >Ok, folks. I've done my homework and I'm ready with my questions. >I teach in a 7th and 8th grade junior high. The music staff is getting >ready to write a grant to get keyboards/synthesizers, computers, >printers, and software for a music lab. In this lab we would like the >capability for students to compose original music as well as transpose >existing music. God I wish I were you Pam. Green with envy in New Orleans ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:18:49 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Pat Smetanick NMD x6551 Subject: Re: Equipment for junior high use In-Reply-To: from "Pam Henry" at Jan 24, 95 09:06:38 am Pam, One of the considerations when making a computer purchase within a school is what systems already exist within the school. Talk to the science, math, and english departments. If a platform already exists, you might be able to move in that direction. This would allow you to utilize the resources which already exist (printers and expertise). It also allows the students to operate on a common platform. The CD-ROM can be a very valuable tool if you have the funding to purchase the disks. There are a number of nice music history packages I have seen which allow the user to explore a composers styles and life. Good luck. --Pat ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 09:10:30 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Guy Van Belle Subject: Re: Digidesign In-Reply-To: <9501251646.AA25972@poseidon.atlas.co.uk> I saw yesterday a demo-version of Digidesigns Turbosynth somewhere at a umich archive (src.doc.ic.ac.uk) but I guess you get a mirror closer. It is in the folder sound/MIDI I guess. GuyZ. On Wed, 25 Jan 1995, Martin Hazel wrote: > Hi has anybody seen or heard (or even got a demo) Digedesigns Turbosynth > v2 or got any ideas of a peice of software that will run on my mac without > requiring a card, that will allow me to edit EPS samples ? > > Martin > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 11:00:10 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Equipment for junior high use >Would you mind creating a digest and either posting it to the list, if others >indicate an interest, or just let us know when it is done, and we can email you >directly requesting a copy. There's a small document of suggestions made a while back on this subject on the EMUSIC-L WWW site at http://sunsite.unc.edu/emusic-l. --- Joe M. -- "It's a great day here in Dr. Slice's mouse-sized pants, isn't it?" -- K. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 11:50:24 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: atomic city Subject: Re: Women in emusic In-Reply-To: <9501251102.AA20080@poseidon.atlas.co.uk> from "Martin Hazel" at Jan 25, 95 11:13:40 am Martin Hazel writes-- >>> >>> We as primarily EuroCentric minded peoples expect different things from boys >>> and girls. >> >>Name a culture which doesn't. >> >What about the Kibbutz? HAH! Popular misconception about the role of the sexes in Israel. But I digress....I think the whole question of gender roles in music is one that's been talked about back and forth for a long time, and I don't really see anything new being said here. The men offer many possible reasons, the women almost universally describe forging ahead due to personal interest, despite apathy (not so much discouragement) on the part of men, and there is no clear mechanism for the gender gap in emusic, any more than there is anywhere else in modern society. I guess my question is...is there any real insight here before we put this topic away for another six months to a year? :) mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's not clear to me what advantages could be drawn from giving CDs sexes, but wouldn't it be interesting to put together your Beethoven 9th and your Hendrix, let them have a good time, and listen to the result...?"(anderberg) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 22:34:49 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Quadraverb 2 >Just thought i'd post some favorable words about the thing, since it hasn't >come up in discussions yet. I used one for a little while. Didn't like it. The programming interface was a little fiddly (especially since the L and M routes aren't distinguished on the display), the "eight modules" claim is rather optimistic since the first thing I tried to program up gave me "DSP FULL" after two of them, and I really didn't reckon much to the sound. No sir. I didn't like it. Nick Rothwell nick@cassiel.com | "Er 2 Er 1" CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | -- The Sound of Alesis. At Last. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 00:00:16 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: DrewLesso@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TurboSynth - Digidesign Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu As far as I know TurboSynth does not require a card to implement. It works in tandam with a sampler much like Digidesign's SoftSynth software. TurboSynth is still available from Digidesign. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:23:03 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: Re: Women in emusic ( I didn't Write this Mike Metlay Said (thur 26th Jan) .I think the whole question of gender roles in music >is one that's been talked about back and forth for a long time, and I >don't really see anything new being said here. The men offer many >possible reasons, the women almost universally describe forging ahead >due to personal interest, despite apathy (not so much discouragement) >on the part of men, and there is no clear mechanism for the gender >gap in emusic, any more than there is anywhere else in modern society. > >I guess my question is...is there any real insight here before we put >this topic away for another six months to a year? :) Why Did it nead to come up at all? who is the next target ? preists and clergy on the list? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:23:07 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: Re: Women in emusic Onland@AOL said >excuse me this IS a MUSIC list Yep thats what Ithought when I joined . politics, relegion and other such stufff clutter most of the musical lists its terrible, But we are here WE can change it Martin Hazel. ................A Brave New World. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:59:34 +1900 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: M.J.Smith@ACOUSTICS.SALFORD.AC.UK Subject: Re[2]: Quadraverb 2 i've own an original quadraverb and was wondering what the difference is between this and the q'verb 2. also is there and upgrade available from the old version to the version 2.... thanks matt. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 08:59:08 GMT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List Comments: RE: QUADRAVERB2 From: JOEL STERN Subject: Re: QUADRAVERB2 Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu Arne Claasen said: >Anyone else have a Q2 and be interested in swapping algorithms? Yes and yes. This topic probably belongs on synth-l. See ya there for further discussion or email me. Joel Stern stern@email.loc.gov ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:25:00 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Women in emusic >excuse me this IS a MUSIC list You are correct. We're drifting. Let's drop it for now. If anyone comes up with any hard data, that would be useful. But, as Mike said, we're just sort of opining without any hard basis, whic never leads to fruitful discussion. ---- Joe M. -- "It's a great day here in Dr. Slice's mouse-sized pants, isn't it?" -- K. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:25:03 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Women in emusic >Why Did it nead to come up at all? who is the next target ? preists and >clergy on the list? Simply because it is a nagging question with implications beyond who's making the music. And an interesting topic for discussion, when data is available. Apparently none yet. :) Certainly there was no singling-out of any group of people intended - it was menat to be an inclusionary discussion, not an exclusionary one. Since this is as close to a flame-war as we've gotten in quite a while, I'd say it's over. Anyone still interested in discussing it can of course send me private email. --- Joe M. -- "It's a great day here in Dr. Slice's mouse-sized pants, isn't it?" -- K. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 20:17:00 -0500 Reply-To: CRSO.EMusic@canrem.com Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mike Moreau Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Subject: What type of converence was this meant to be? Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu Well I hope that I have the right converence selected and it looks like I'm the first one to post a message here. I don't really know what is to be discussed in this converence but I thought that I might talk about some of the electronic type of music and groups which I like. If anybody sees a favourite group of their's listed in my list you are welcome to write to me or just post a message in this converence. Here goes... My favourite groups: Erasure Depeche Mode Pet Shop Boys New Order Electronic Kraftwerk Red Flag B. Movie Micro Chip League OMD Fortran 5 Heaven 17 anything by Vince Clarke (Yazoo, the Assembly, Depeche Mode, Erasure and all his great remixes - including his latest one for The Sparks (Great JOB!!)). Well, that sure isn't all, but all that come to mind right now. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:34:36 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joshua Fried Subject: Re: ambient music?? In-Reply-To: <01HMB9Q0YY1U8WXKN7@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU> from "David Rodger" at Jan 26, 95 06:58:45 pm > > Hi ambient fans & haters... > > > The best minimalism *is* interesting > > ...cf. La Monte Young, EARLY Glass, EARLY Reich. > > Sorry, folks. I *never* found Glass's ostinato arpeggios interesting! Of course, Glass's ostinato arpeggios *are* idiotic. They are not EARLY Glass. Check out "Music In Twelve Parts" Part One (1971), and *earlier*. Then we'll talk. warmly jf@escape.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:04:04 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Re[2]: Quadraverb 2 In-Reply-To: <199501271259.HAA22048@atlanta.american.edu> from "M.J.Smith@ACOUSTICS.SALFORD.AC.UK" at Jan 27, 95 07:59:34 am > i've own an original quadraverb and was wondering what the difference > is between this and the q'verb 2. also is there and upgrade available > from the old version to the version 2.... No upgrade. It's a whole new machine. It's true stereo (or if you want to play with it, two mono in/two mono out, or my current use, two mono in, one stereo out. read, two effects are better than one :) I prefer the sound to the Q+ i've worked with, prefer the programming interface and find it quite a bit more flexible. Also, if you have an ADAT or do work with it, it can digitally interface with one. -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:48:39 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Quadraverb 2 In-Reply-To: from "Nick Rothwell" at Jan 26, 95 10:34:49 pm > I used one for a little while. Didn't like it. The programming interface > was a little fiddly (especially since the L and M routes aren't > distinguished on the display), the "eight modules" claim is rather > optimistic since the first thing I tried to program up gave me "DSP FULL" > after two of them, and I really didn't reckon much to the sound. Regarding the discussions around here lately, i gather we have very different views on interfaces. (I love the K2k interace, you hate it, for instance.) The Q2 is another one of these. It's the first efx units whose user interface felt like an interface to me, instead of like a punchcard reader, although i have to admit that the L and M routes using the same visual indicator is an annoying and frankly unexplainable aspect. I've built some algorithms with more than four, but that usually is getting to the limits of the DSP. I've also filled up the DSP with only one block. > No sir. I didn't like it. I guess i'm biased because i didn't have to pay for it. Probably would still like a LXP-xx just as a dedicated reverb unit. I am planning to make full use of the Digital ADAT interface of the Q2 in a couple of weeks, tho. -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:42:54 PST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List Comments: Environmental Systems Research Institute From: "Tapas Das [ESRI-Redlands]" Subject: NAB '95 Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu Could somebody get me any information on the upcoming NAB '95 convention. I would like to attend this show and would like to know when and where this convention takes place and how to register and if it is open to the public. Thanks in advance. Tapas Das tdas@esri.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 23:17:58 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel Subject: MU80 The mu80 has just arrived here in the UK. I nead a new module anyone know the spec (esp midi ch) how does it compare with the sc88 Also I have heard that digidesign make a audiomedia card does it work with a lc475 Martin Hazel. ................A Brave New World. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:25:48 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Holly A. Miller" Subject: midi file transfer instructions On March 16th I will be presenting at NCCE, a computing in education conference to be held in Bellevue (a suburb of Seattle) Washington, US. The theme of my presentation will be on how I use MIDI technology in the elementary music curriculum. (I teach K-5 general music.) As part of my presentation, I plan to include how to transfer MIDI files over the Net. I don't mind doing the work, but before I reinvent the wheel, does anyone know of a good step by step set of instructions for downloading and uploading midi files that is in the public domain and can be ftp'ed or obtained some other way? For the most part my audience will be music teachers who are literate in music and pedagogy but having varying degrees of sophistication in E-music. The KISS (keep it simple ...) principle definitely applies here. I would especially appreciate any info which give hints which might be unique to DOS platform. I think I've finally figured out how to do it successfully, thanks to Joe and Chris Sherwood, but I have only used my Mac. For the most part I know that DOS should work the same way but tell me if I'm wrong. I want to provide handouts which are meaningful and helpful to the participants. I know this is the right list to ask. Thanks in advance, Holly Holly Miller ham@halcyon.com 43507 SE 76th St. Snoqualmie, WA 98065