========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 10:10:55 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: miron deyssenroth Subject: Re: Playing Quicktime 2.0 Synth hi. well - ididn't really bother about QuickTime MIDI, 'cause it really sounds terrible. BUT - there seems to be some file around which is called QuickTime MIDI Instruments. which is sort of sampled GM synthies. Well - people say it comes with QT 2.0 - mine on System 7.5 didn't - and it's original disks. WHERE ARE THOSE SYNTHS ? thanks miron miron deyssenroth mdeyssen@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ( ... "mind the gap" ... ) ____________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 21:34:21 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Women in emusic Hello all, someone said >excuse me this IS a MUSIC list and music is a multidisciplinary field these days. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 21:41:26 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Women in emusic Hi all: another 2 cents worth (somewhat devlued nowadays?) >Why Did it nead to come up at all? who is the next target ? preists and >clergy on the list? There have to a few out there who do emusic! People come and go all the time from these lists; if Joe or Mike give some stats, we'd probabaly find that they come more than go. Subjects are bound to come up repeatedly. If someone mentions csound and someone else doesn't know what it is, a whole thread on csound might occur. I think this is OK. I remember when I was a newcomer here and there's still heaps I don't know. On this thread, I have found it rewarding. If you don't want to read it, look at your 'newmail' (or similar) directory and delete those messages whose subjects you aren't interested in. If anything annoys me, it's when people don't put subject headings! As for all the women in emusic, I'm glad you're here. Your contribution is as welcome as the fellows' or the clergy's. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:31:00 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: ANDREW Subject: UNSUBSCIBEE Comments: To: UND PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:37:16 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: ANDREW Subject: UNSUBCRIBE SIGNOFF EMUSIC. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 01:57:44 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: UNSUBSCIBEE In-Reply-To: <199501290234.VAA07387@atlanta.american.edu> from "ANDREW" at Jan 28, 95 08:31:00 pm > > PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST. > READ THE BLOODY MESSAGE YOU GOT WHEN YOU SUBSCRIBED! Send mail to LISTSERV *NOT* *EMUSIC-L*! (pant pant whimper) "UNSUB EMUSIC-L", mailed to listserv@american.edu - How much easier can it *BE*?! --- Joe "short fuse" M. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 12:52:40 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "L Mccoy (GD 1999)" Subject: ambience? Comments: To: emusic-list Could someone please explain why minimalism is being directly correlated with ambience? How are Glass' arpeggios *idiotic*? Does Glass even consider those segments to be arpeggiations? If so, what is being arpeggiated? Also, has any effort been given to distinguishing Reich's music from Glass'? Isn't there a distinction also, a very basic and unobserved one here, between the adjectival usage of the word 'minimalism' as applied to MATERIAL and as applied to PROCEDURE? Scott McCoy mcco5@minerva.cis.yale.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 15:27:00 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Curtis Saal Subject: Hello Hello, I am a new user on this electronic music discussion base. What is the recent topic? Curt ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 15:37:05 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Curtis Saal Subject: Babyland's First Is Babyland's first CD worth getting? I heard it is really electronic. I liked the second, Total Letdow, but heard that the first is better, true? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 17:23:52 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: MarksTune@AOL.COM Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Please remove me from this list. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:01:32 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bill Gibson Subject: Re: You are now subscribed to the EMUSIC-L list Are there other Performer and Mosaic users on this list? I'm a serious user who often finds bugs or glitches worth communicating about for the purpose of information or forwarning. Are there any other authors of recording related texts on this list? Thanks. My name is Bill Gibson and I'm at WGIBSON228@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:36:00 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: lgzadgaj@LG.EHU.ES Subject: patch editor Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu Does any one know a program where I can edit patches just dumped in PC or Mac from my FX midi box? I used bulk dump utility. Thanks Jose ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:44:16 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: AI-2 use with ADAT Comments: To: Emusic List I'm going into a studio in a couple of days that has the AI-2 and the BRC for the ADATs. Now, since my K2k only has two stereo outs, i want to record in multiple passes. Does anyone know how the syncing works? I have musicshop as a sequencer, which can send clock and can sync to an external clock, but has no direct support for SMPTE. I'd like to get a hang of this before i get in there and waste half of my day figuring out the syncing. (Don't tell me that the engineer should know this. I'm getting access to a demo suite without any dedicated engineers.... It's a lng story, to make it short) Also, i remember the MIDI problems with Powerbooks. I'm thinking about taking a 170 with me, but i'm wondering whether that one was affected by the MIDI problems? I can't run OMS since running the OMS Midi Manager to interface with Musicshop keeps causing timing hick-ups. I'm currently running straight out of the ports of my Centris. Ah, a load of questions. Anyone have answers? Thanks! Arne -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:44:12 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Curtis Saal Subject: M1 Comments: To: emusic-l@AMERICAN.EDU Is there any sample programs for an IBM then can send patches or samples, or patches of samples/sounds to a Korg M-1? Are there any samplers that would work (That are not software? Curt ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:25:35 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: M1 >Is there any sample programs for an IBM then can send patches or samples, or >patches of samples/sounds to a Korg M-1? Are there any samplers that would >work (That are not software? This question would be better answered on SYNTH-L (same listserver, different slant); I'll answer it there (and follow up to you directly as well). --- Joe M. -- "Bucket Brigade: tiny microbes (or sometimes tardigrades or rotifers in high-end gear) are taught fire technology & then convinced that the output amp is on fire." - media@pcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:35:44 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" Subject: Re: ambience? In-Reply-To: from "L Mccoy" at Jan 29, 95 12:52:40 pm > Could someone please explain why minimalism is being directly correlated > with ambience? As I understand it, the definition of ambient music is something along the lines of "music that fits into its surroundings so well, it can be appreciated just as much if you're intently listening as if you are not consciously listening at all." It's like a painting on the wall, just adds to the atmosphere wihout attracting undue attention and distracting you from whatever else you may be doing. Yet, also like a good painting, it's art and thus has beauty which will be found only by digging a little deeper and really listening. -- _______ KB7PWD - now on packet! shawn.rutledge@asu.edu (_ | |_) html: http://enuxsa.eas.asu.edu/~rutledge/home.html __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ * freedom of information * IEEE * Star Trek * packet * techno * Internet * ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:07:41 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: john rossi Subject: Re: AI-2 use with ADAT In-Reply-To: <9501301644.AA16349@ebs330> On Mon, 30 Jan 1995, Arne Claassen ISE wrote: > I'm going into a studio in a couple of days that has the AI-2 and the BRC for > the ADATs. Now, since my K2k only has two stereo outs, i want to record in > multiple passes. Does anyone know how the syncing works? I have musicshop > as a sequencer, which can send clock and can sync to an external clock, but > has no direct support for SMPTE. > Arne: Ok, now you will get to see what I am talking about with the capabilities of the BRC. That box will synch almost anything to almost anything. First of all, you don't need SMPTE, you can do this all with MIDI song pointers and MIDI time code. The BRC will take care of it. It is really quite simple but you might want to get somebody to photocopy the synching chaptters from the BRC manual. The biggest qurestion is whether or not your sequencer will slave to MTC from the BRC. If you let the BRC control the whole system you really can't fail. One thing you might want to try is to go digital out from the K2K into the AI-2 and have it converted to Alesis bus digital. This will let you stay in a digital path right onto the ADAT tape. Then, you can use the Q2 in the digital mode. I did some experiments with such a system and it really works nicely because you bypass all the analog sections of the Q2. Anyway, it is imperative that you go through the BRC manual quite carefully. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask. John 3 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:52:52 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: AI-2 use with ADAT In-Reply-To: from "john rossi" at Jan 30, 95 11:07:41 pm > Ok, now you will get to see what I am talking about with the capabilities > of the BRC. That box will synch almost anything to almost anything. > First of all, you don't need SMPTE, you can do this all with MIDI song > pointers and MIDI time code. The BRC will take care of it. It is really > quite simple but you might want to get somebody to photocopy the synching > chaptters from the BRC manual. The biggest qurestion is whether or not > your sequencer will slave to MTC from the BRC. If you let the BRC > control the whole system you really can't fail. One thing you might want > to try is to go digital out from the K2K into the AI-2 and have it > converted to Alesis bus digital. This will let you stay in a digital > path right onto the ADAT tape. Then, you can use the Q2 in the digital > mode. I did some experiments with such a system and it really works > nicely because you bypass all the analog sections of the Q2. Anyway, it > is imperative that you go through the BRC manual quite carefully. If you > have any specific questions, feel free to ask. I go the K2kS, but i though the digital section of the K2k is only for input not output. Other than that, i'll just get a BRC manual and start learning. Does it sound like a ludicrous idea to save up for a single ADAT and a BRC? I've been told that the BRC really takes off when you have multiple ADATs, but i feel that without a BRC, i'll get only half the usefulness out of an ADAT. -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:27:29 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Wieslawa Przewozniczuk Subject: NEW SUBSCRIBER Hallo! I am a new subscriber. (I am a woman). I live in Poland. I work in School of Electronic Music. I teach the children to play keyboards. In my school we work with Casio and Yamaha keyboards. I am interested in simple notes (for children) of country - music and jazz or pop - music and computer programms to read and print this notes. I have IBM PC with DOS 6.0 and Windows 3.1. My adress: przewoznicz@alpha.sggw.waw.pl Sincerely, Wieslawa Przewozniczuk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:51:50 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Nicholas J. Moenssens" Subject: Re: ambience? Good point. I perceive minimalist music as kinetic, with energy and forward thrust. Ambiant music, well, as MUZAK Corporation. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 09:21:39 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Pam Henry Subject: Junior High Teacher Strikes Again Comments: To: EMUSIC-L Thanks to all of you who responded to my request for help. Sorry for the delay in writing back. I've been at a convention getting "recharged" which means I've been away from all people under the age of 18!!!!! It also means I've been away from this list. Yes, I will compile all the great ideas I have been sent and send it out over the list. Yes, I will send a copy of the proposal so you can see what we are up to. Yes, I will let you know what we end up purchasing. I really appreciate the expert help those of you that responded offered to us. I learn a little more each time I sit down. More later when I get caught up from being away from school for 3 days. Pam Pam Henry phenry@services.dese.state.mo.us Band Director 816-524-4730 Pleasant Lea Junior High FAX 816-525-4338 630 SW Persels Lee's Summit, MO 64081 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 09:43:14 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Seeking a vocoder for temp use. Comments: To: Emusic List , Electronica , Analogue Heaven Hi, I'm in the Huntsville Alabama area and would like to get my hands on a vocoder, SE-70, Wavestation A/D for a weekened in the near future to do some studio work. If anyone with anything that does vocoding is in my area, please drop me a line. Thanks, Arne -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:59:28 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Tutorial s/w just spotted on info-mac Comments: To: emusic-l@AMERICAN.EDU CASPAR .95 is a set of Hypercard stacks that teach melodic and harmonic dictation. Instead of using the computer as an answer board, CASPAR acts a tutor, presenting many different kinds of information about melodies and progressions that the user may assimilate as part of their refining and developing a succesful dictation strategy. CASPAR runs on Hypercard 2.1 or 2.2, requires Midi Manager 2.x, and uses the HyperMidi Xmcd's developed by EarLevel Engineering. The Music Dept. of the University of Illinois has a 1-year license to distribute CASPAR until Feb 1, 1996. Please do not distribute CASPAR .95 after that date. CASPAR .95 includes 8 of the 12 modules in the final version. Brett Terry, Lead Developer bterry@cmp-nxt1.music.uiuc.edu University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign Music Dept. [Archived as /info-mac/app/edu/caspar-95-hc.hqx; 3327K] -- "Bucket Brigade: tiny microbes (or sometimes tardigrades or rotifers in high-end gear) are taught fire technology & then convinced that the output amp is on fire." - media@pcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:04:11 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Puckett Catherine E Subject: music novella Comments: To: to@usl.edu Hello--I am a new subscriber, although I have read some e-music letters with interest (courtesy of Harry Haecker). I am a writer working on a novella about music. The story is about a composer who uses the sounds of nature (Gulf of Mexico) in his compositions. What I'm hoping to do in this story is (in part) to write meaningfully about sound and the meaning of sound and music in our landscape and as music. The novella is broken up with several "musings on music," which are short to long essays on music. In these essays I want to include musings on many different aspects of music--from the absurb (didn't someone on this list write about chickens keeling over after listening to music being played at a certain frequency?) to the more abstract (some stuff about the the phsyics of music, for example). One of the most central ideas of this story is how landscape (sound in), music, and body are inseparable--what is it that makes us musical animals? I speculate that music is a kind of language, if you will, and I want to make some sense of that language in this novella. So, I am looking for any information on how music affects humans and other animals (including psychological and physiological effects (mood, sexuality, heartbeat, intelligence, etc. I am, of course, also interested in any personal theories or speculations about such matters. Also, if you know of any books, articles, etc. that might be of use, I'd appreciate that info. as well. My friend, Harry Haecker, is helping me "translate and understand" some of your e-music language, but I am quite a novice in the area (though an appreciative one), so please keep that in mind in your replies. Many thanks--Catherine ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:01:33 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Schmeggi@AOL.COM Subject: Re: ambience? Geesh, I'm almost sorry that I put out a post with the word 'minimalist' in it. Is listening to P Glass like driving a taxi in NYC? I attended a lecture given by him and it too was repetitious with very little actual information given. Dissin' Mr Glass seems to have the same effect on me as listening to his music. Any more of this and i'll be forced to e-mail someone a cheese log, the pink waxy kind with chopped nuts all over it. It's all my fault when i tried to describe a work by Morton Feldman whos spacious 'String Quartet', i thought, might lend itself to the discussion. My mistake, Feldman was an abstract expressionist, like Cage, and not a minimalist. >Isn't there a distinction also, a very basic and unobserved one >here, >between the adjectival usage of the word 'minimalism' as >applied to >MATERIAL and as applied to PROCEDURE? Seriously, if minimalism is to be defined only by the procedure of metrical juxtaposition then all i have to say is that it has been expressed clearly and in a more engagingly by other composers, and it's time to move beyond the form or abandon it. Minimalism, to me at one time, meant simplifying some aspects of music in order to draw attention to others. Varying levels of importance. Rythmic elements just happen to be the ones that are the most immediately interesting. So what is an 'ambient-o-phile' , someone with bootleg recordings of Eno taking a bath? Dogs barking in a Balinese village? Chance procedures, montage, indeterminacy, sound-mapping of coastlines and the movements of one-celled organisms? The dislocation of sound and enviornment, I beleave, is the strict interpretation of ambient music, sonic landscaping. (Techno-ambient as a means of inducing a shamanic image for the post rave meltdown.) I think that the reason that bringing in the likes of the 'abstract expressionists' (it's so cool to finally have found a name for that bunch) is that they were concerned, like the painters, with the surface of the medium, with putting paint on canvas, with what is now tritely called organized sound. This is hard to talk about because in the process of exploring music the inclusion of ordinairy tonal language was included; It's hard to pin down the style of some of these composers because of the breadth of their work, and it may not be applicable to a discussion of ambient music. I hope this turns out to be more than Eno idolatry, more than a gathering of squishy sound collectors. I must admit though, that squishy sounds are pretty cool. Ya, i'd be like to shift this discussion if it's appropriate to the list, or to take it elsewhere if it isn't. I'm only interested in the safety of all concerned. leo "What was great about the fifties is that for one brief moment - maybe, say six weeks - nobody understood art. That's why it all happened. Because for a while, these people were left alone. Six weeks is all it takes to get started. But there's no place now where you can hide out for six weeks in this town." -M. Feldman ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:20:32 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Glenn Gutierrez Subject: Re: AI-2 use with ADAT >X-From: claassen@EBS330.EB.UAH.EDU (Arne Claassen ISE) >Sender: EMUSIC-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU (Electronic Music Discussion List) >Reply-to: EMUSIC-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU (Electronic Music Discussion List) >To: EMUSIC-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU (Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L) > >I'm going into a studio in a couple of days that has the AI-2 and the BRC for >the ADATs. Now, since my K2k only has two stereo outs, i want to record in >multiple passes. Does anyone know how the syncing works? I have musicshop >as a sequencer, which can send clock and can sync to an external clock, but >has no direct support for SMPTE. > >I'd like to get a hang of this before i get in there and waste half of my day >figuring out the syncing. (Don't tell me that the engineer should know this. >I'm getting access to a demo suite without any dedicated engineers.... It's a >lng story, to make it short) > >Also, i remember the MIDI problems with Powerbooks. I'm thinking about >taking a 170 with me, but i'm wondering whether that one was affected by the >MIDI problems? I can't run OMS since running the OMS Midi Manager to interface >with Musicshop keeps causing timing hick-ups. I'm currently running straight >out of the ports of my Centris. > >Ah, a load of questions. Anyone have answers? Thanks! > >Arne Welcome to the world of MIDI and synchronization! It's actually not difficult. I've never had a problem that lasted for more than 5 minutes (luck, maybe?). The Alesis BRC should be all you need. It supports all kinds of sync formats, including SMPTE. What we use in our studio, and what I recommend, is MTC or MIDI Time Code. Think of it as a low-resolution SMPTE. It works great and all you need is one more MIDI cable. Setup of the BRC is easy, just set it to MTC sync, put it on 30 non-drop (I'm still not sure if this matters, but I keep it a standard anyway), and make sure the GEN SYNC button is lit. You can enter your tempo if you want, and then you can display your song position by bars instead of minutes/seconds! If your sequencer doen't support MTC, then you can use direct MIDI clock, but you'll have to set your tempo on the BRC and slave the computer to it (not hard). If you want to do any fancy tempo change maps, or have some already in a sequence, then you'll have to enter them into the BRC (tedious). The PB170 *is* one of the models plagued by the power chip and/or buffer overrun MIDI affliction - is anybody sure, yet? The Duo series are the only PB's that work like the dektop models from what I've read. BUT! When I was running the Cubase sequencer on my old PB140, OMS solved all the timing problems that I had. So you case is kinda strange. I also had Appletalk ON, which nobody says to do, but it helped my timing problems before I installed OMS (without either, just touching the trackball would screw up the timing). Remember, though, that the MIDI problem with the PowerBooks is only an INPUT one. When I used a standard interface (1 in, 1 out), everything worked fine. It's when you try to use a handshaking interface (eg. MIDI Time Piece or Studio 5) that everything goes to hell. The interface can't talk back to the PB fast enough to maintain itself and multiplex I guess. Suffice it to say that the MTP never worked for me, although today's OMS 2 is supposed to fix just the MODEM port of any PowerBook to work properly. If you have an AOL account, check out the old discussion on this subject in the MUSIC & SOUND area, under the SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS messaging forum. Basically, if all you are doing is taking sync in and putting out a few tracks at a time through a standard interface, you might not even notice a problem (but is it there or not, who knows?)... Hope this helps, Glenn Gutierrez CRbang@aol.com Classified Records, California ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:38:08 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: john rossi Subject: Re: AI-2 use with ADAT In-Reply-To: <9501310552.AA26385@ebs330> On Mon, 30 Jan 1995, Arne Claassen ISE wrote: > > I go the K2kS, but i though the digital section of the K2k is only for input > not output. > I'm not sure what you mean by the phrase before the comma. As for the digital I/O and the K2kS, there is a digital output available on the XLR 'output' connector. With the connectors wired for SPDIF you get a SPDIF on an unbalanced connector (e.g., RCA jack). I presume that if you use a balanced XLR connector you get AES/EBU out of the digital out (I have never actually tried this). Everything which goes to the main output pair is also reflected on the digital out (i.e., you can record the K2k directly to DAT from the digital output). Unfortunately, the digital output is not directly receiving input from the K2k digital bus. It apparently redigitizes the analog output from the effects processor section (i.e., the Digitech chip). However, if you disable the on-board effects, you have a very clean digital signal at the output jack. One thing which works well, but is expensive, is to use an AI-2 to convert from SPDIF to Alesis standard and run that into the digital input of a Q2 allowing the Q2 to replace the Digitech processor. There is a lot of inherent power in such a system (although because of the cost of the AI-2 it isn't really a reasonable option). Eventually, all effects boxes will have digital inputs and won't be Alesis or Tascam proprietary implementations. > > Does it sound like a ludicrous idea to save up for a single ADAT and a BRC? > I've been told that the BRC really takes off when you have multiple ADATs, but > i feel that without a BRC, i'll get only half the usefulness out of an ADAT. > Since I sold my 2nd ADAT, this is the position I am in (i.e., 1 ADAT, 1 BRC). It is true that the BRC really shines with more than one ADAT because of all of the relative location synch capabilities it adds. With one ADAT, all you really gain is a ton of autolocate stops and the incredible synching ability of the BRC. If I read you correctly, it would appear that the synching is what you are really interested in. I think that the JLCooper box which is available for about 1/3 the cost of a BRC is all you really need. If you are working from sequencers, the synch is more important than any number of autolocate positions. After all that that's the whole point on MIDI position pointers. John 3 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:00:08 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: haeckerh@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV Subject: Music Novella Comments: To: cep6494@usl.edu <> Hello-- I am a new subscriber, although I have read some e-music letters with great interest (courtesy of my friend Harry Haecker). I am a writer working on a novella about music. The story is about a composer who uses the sounds of nature (set in the Gulf of Mexico) in his compositions. What I'm hoping to do in this story is to write meaningfully about sound and the meaning of sound and music in landscape and as music. The novella is broken up with what I'm calling "musings on music," which are short to long essays on music and sound. In these essays, I want to explore many different aspects of music--from the philosophical and psychological or phsyiological to the more absurd (didn't someone on this list write about chickens keeling over after listening to music being played at a certain frequency? That's also the kind of stuff I want!). I also want to explore some aspects of the physics of music (as much as my not-so-mathematical brain can absorb). One of the most central ideas of the novella is how landscape (sound in), music, and body are in-separable--what is it that makes us musical animals? Music, I believe, is a kind of language (one of the earliest?), and I want to make some sense of that language in this story. So I'm interested in any info. on how music affects humans and other animals (including psychological and physiological effects such as mood, intellect, sexuality, heartbeat, health, etc.) as well as any personal theories, rantings, or philosophical musings of your own about these matters. Also, if you know of any books, articles, etc., that might be of use, I'd appreciate that info. as well. Harry is helping me "translate and understand" some of your e-music language, but I am a novice in the area (though an appreciative one), so please keep that in mind in your replies (although if complexity is necessary please use it and I'll hit Harry up for translating again). When the story is completed, anyone who wants to read it will get a copy! Many thanks, Catherine Puckett (cep6494@usl.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 17:28:16 GMT Reply-To: Music@twillcox.demon.co.uk Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Music Subject: Re: M1 In your message dated Monday 30, January 1995 you wrote : > Is there any sample programs for an IBM then can send patches or samples, or > patches of samples/sounds to a Korg M-1? Are there any samplers that would > work (That are not software? > Curt > > This may not really be what you are after, but may be of some use anyway. Posting from comp.archives.msdos.announce I have uploaded to SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm), (available by anonymous ftp from the primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu and its mirrors): ftp://oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/win3/music/m1bank20.zip SimTel/win3/music/ m1bank20.zip Korg M1 Program Librarian for Win 3.1 M1BANK v2.0 is a Program Bank Manager for Korg M1 and Windows 3.1. M1BANK allows you to set up any number of voice banks using up to 12800 stored voices. Individual voices can be up/downloaded from the Korg. Now allows you to save sets of 100 voices for quick loading into the Korg. Essential for Korg M1 owners who don't own an expensive Librarian program. Special requirements: Windows 3.1, Korg M1, Windows supported MIDI Interface ShareWare. Not crippled in any way. E-mail support for all users. Uploaded by Peter Marshall for author Joseph Marshall. Joseph Marshall petermarshall@cix.compulink.co.uk -- Traviss ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:59:32 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: AI-2 use with ADAT Hi Arne, get what you can afford for now. > Does it sound like a ludicrous idea to save up for a single ADAT and a BRC? > I've been told that the BRC really takes off when you have multiple ADATs, but No, it is not a lludicrous idea unless you need more than one all the time. If you don't, then hire one when you do and get the benefit of the BRC. Yes, the BRC seems to be pretty spiffy when you've got more than one ADAT. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:40:14 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: music novella Hi Catherine, sounds fascinating. Try these for size: (first name???) Frances, "The Perception of Music" and if you're really getting philosophical... Maurice Merleau-Ponty, "The Phenomenology of Perception" Can't remember off-hand the puvlishers, but these are pretty common. On music as a language (or not as a language!) Jean-Jacques Nattiez (1990) "music and Discourse: Towards a Semiology of Music" C. Abbate (trans.) Princeton: Princeton University Press John Shepherd (1991) "Music as Social Text" Cambridge, MA: Polity Press Hope this helps, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 01:11:41 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Piet van Oostrum Subject: Midi files/software archives on the Internet There is a list of ftp and mail server archives with MIDI documentation, programs and music on the Internet. Also enclosed is a list of MIDI and electronic music related mailing lists. The latest version of this file can be obtained by ftp from ftp.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.17] in pub/MIDI/DOC/archives or by mail from mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (send a message with HELP in the body). From the mail-server the filename without pub/ should be used. The latest monthly version is also available in the various news.answers archives around the world, in music/midi/archives. Version: $Id: archives,v 1.118 1995/01/23 10:59:05 piet Exp $ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 01:11:41 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Piet van Oostrum Subject: Computer Music bibliography There is a bibliography on synthesizers, midi, computer and electronic music that I have collected from various sources. I have tried to bring some structure into it, but not all books will fit into a single subject. NOTE: I haven't read these books, and the comments are from other people. The latest version of this file can be obtained by ftp from ftp.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.17] in pub/MIDI/DOC/bibliography or by mail from mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (send a message with HELP in the body). From the mail-server the filename without pub/ should be used. The latest monthly version is also available in the various news.answers archives around the world, in music/midi/bibliography. Version: $Id: bibliography,v 1.25 1994/09/08 12:24:00 piet Exp $ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 19:47:18 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: LESSINGTONT@COFC.EDU Organization: College of Charleston Subject: INFO ON SUBSCRIBING Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu IF ANYONE ON THE LIST GETS THIS MESSAGE, PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH INFO ON HOW TO SUBSCRIBE. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 05:13:02 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Nicholas J. Moenssens" Subject: General Music S-3 I am arranging on a General Music S-3 music processor. Anyone have any sample libraries for this unit? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 07:16:04 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "L Mccoy (GD 1999)" Subject: women in elect. mus On the subject of women and electronic music, I applaud Joe's mentioning of Pauline Oliveros as an 'innovator'. But I think it is also important to mention her as one of the few composers who got electronic music off the ground in the early days. There was a time when electronic music was scoffed at. "What! Computers!! Electronics!!! Gosh, gee, golly, whiz!!!! Then the music won't sound HUUUUUUUUUUman anymore, will it??!!?" Where are my FEELINGS? How can I EMOTE with the COMPUTER?" Believe it or not, there are many composition programs that still don't accept electronic music. The issue of gender, if it is role models we seek, will most certainly be addressed in composition. Let's not forget the influence of Nadia Boulanger on the vast majority of American composers in the first half of this century; a teacher of both Copland and Carter. Here among the ivy, electronic music and tape composition is a matter of logistics rather than aesthetics. After decades of surfing trends, the itinerant composers here have little to do but call their body of work 'eclectic' when they really mean 'unfocused'. Tape pieces are programmed only if there is space on the program after all acoustic pieces are scheduled. I am not making this up. Just a few notes from one who is "officially" in the Theory program, but who also composes as an "outsider". Fondly, The Rogue Scott McCoy mcco5@minerva.cis.yale.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 09:22:20 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Greg Dorter Subject: Re: Women in emusic In-Reply-To: <9501150347.AA28238@julian.uwo.ca> So far in this discussion no one (I think) has mentioned that there do not seem to be a lot of women composers in Western art music in general. (Perhaps I am referring more to electroaccoustic music, rather than emusic, but I really can't comment on new age, techno, etc. emusic.) In my undergraduate carreer there was but a single women in but a single composition class I took. I TA in an electronic music course with no women, but there are no women comp (or theory) majors in the whole undergraduate program that I am familiar with (I know maybe 10 comp/theory students; all are male). I have heard comp professors at other schools comment on the lack of women applicants, and composition competition juries comment on the lack of submissions by women composers. So it is not that music history has always ignored women composers other than Hildegard (has anyone else heard that blasphemous _Vision: The music of Hildegard_ electronic new age basterdization?) and Clara Schumann. There just do not seem to be that many women composers out there today either. So perhaps this lack of women composers of Western art music in general helps explain the lack of women composers of electronic western art music, and this lack of women composing emusic is not a tech aversion, but a lack of involvement in comp in general. The reasons for THIS -- male-centric views of music; the traditional inaccessability of higher education to women, etc. -- is another topic. Greg Dorter University of Western Ontario 215 Bernard Ave. gdorter@julian.uwo.ca London, ON N6A 2M9 519-438-2287 CANADA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 09:26:57 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Greg Dorter Subject: Re: women in elect. mus In-Reply-To: <9501151216.AA28946@julian.uwo.ca> On Sun, 15 Jan 1995, L Mccoy (GD 1999) wrote: > > There was a time when electronic music was scoffed at. > I agree with your posting, except I think your use of "was" in the above sentence is still premature. Greg Dorter University of Western Ontario 215 Bernard Ave. gdorter@julian.uwo.ca London, ON N6A 2M9 519-438-2287 CANADA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:10:26 +0100 Reply-To: jvbekkum@iaehv.nl Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jan van Bekkum Subject: Newsgroup for Musicator Does a newsgroup exist that targets more specifically at Musicator? If yes where? Thanks in advance. With kind regards, Jan van Bekkum - Eindhoven, Netherlands Private address: jvbekkum@iaehv.nl Philips PMA: jvbekkum@ie.philips.nl PLCopen: otsgroup@knoware.nl PLCopen WWW: http://www.iaehv.nl/users/jvbekkum/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 12:35:55 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: kenneth lee hankins Subject: having problems receiving from these lists hrm... it seems that when i post something to this list i never receive my postings if that makes sense. is this normal? it makes me wonder if i go unheard! ken hankins ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 17:40:18 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jay Bianchi Subject: AKAI ASQ10 Sequencer-Help! Has anybody had this problem with the Asq 10 or MPC 60 sequencers: Now and then, when I'm sequencing piano parts, random notes and clusters get triggered and recorded in addition to what I'm playing. I'm guessing it only happens with piano parts because there is so much more midi info. I've filtered out everything but note and velocity info,but no luck. Any ideas?, It's driving me CRAZY! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 18:30:52 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alex Sanielevici Subject: Re: having problems receiving from these lists In-Reply-To: <199501151935.AA04017@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA> On Sun, 15 Jan 1995, kenneth lee hankins wrote: > hrm... it seems that when i post something to this list i never receive > my postings if that makes sense. is this normal? it makes me wonder if > i go unheard! No, your messages are getting though OK. If you want to get a copy of the mail you send to the list, simply send a message to LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU with a "SET EMUSIC-L REPRO" command in the message body (as described in that little piece of mail you get when you subscribed) _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Alex Sanielevici _/_/ E-Mail : sanielea@ere.umontreal.ca _/ _/ Music student, _/_/ or : alex@speedy.hypercomp.ns.ca _/ _/ University of Montreal _/_/ Voice : (514) 731-2578 _/ _/ Quebec, Canada. _/_/ http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca:9090/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ << I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant >> -- Reliable source. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:01:58 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Deborah Marte Subject: Re: Women in emusic In-Reply-To: <9501131550.AA32341@coyote.csusm.edu> Joe, I guess as a female emusician I am an infant. As a musician however, I have had a lot of experience both with the classical and pop industry. This list interests me, because of the wealth of general knowledge you guys posses. However, keeping a roof over my head and working three jobs, has kept me from having the money or the time to devote to syth stuff. It also keeps me pretty busy, so I generally just read and retreat, not making any helpfull suggestions to the list. But, I do have a few female friends who are interested in syth's but for the most part experience with the public in general is that there are very few women who are. In my family (I am from Minnesota, but thank God I now live on the coast) there was not a whole lot of gender separation but, I do remember watching my father use a soldering iron and wanting to learn how to use it too, but I was not given the opportunity although my three younger brothers were. However, I've taken the iniative to teach myself some of this stuff, and as a student of the recording arts have met my boyfriend who is a real "gearhead"...and fell in love...with him and his gear. Anyway, I guess my message is this:female emusicians do exist. Gearheads come in all shapes, sizes and genders... so look for the girlfriend (boyfriend) with the silver lining. Deborah ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 21:53:40 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Women in emusic Hi Lettice, thanks for replying and tipping us towards a balance! > A lot of the time I come on here and you guys are talking > way over my head. Sometimes, I could swear you are speaking another language. Yes, we are, and be assured that not all of us understand it all the time either. It's more a reflection of the diverse interests of those who subscribe. > I have somewhere else to go to ask all of my dumb questions. (and believe me > there will be a lot of them when I get up the nerve to ask them).. Ask away. I guarantee that, in a group of this size, there'll be others who didn't have the nerve to ask. Half the time, it's me! Welcome to the list. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 06:45:54 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Robert M. Doell" Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE PLEEZ UNSUBSCRIBE ME.. THX. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 08:19:16 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bob Crispen Subject: Re: ORCHESTRATOR/ARRANGER NEEDED KMRProd@AOL.COM sez: >PAYMENT: Payment is based on royalties. The orchestrator will receive: > (1) royalties of 10% from profits after expenses on all Box office Receipts, That would be after every living soul in New York and LA has taken his cut out of the gross? +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen | Music should not be held responsible | | crispen@foxy.hv.boeing.com | for the people who listen to it. | +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:33:41 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Heath Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 13 Jan 1995 to 14 Jan 1995 Does anyone have some experience with MidiScan, Its a windows program for translating scaned sheet music to Midi. If so I have a couple of questions that I hope you could answer before I lay down the bucks. 1. General thoughs on performance. 2. Output file formats. I really want a mac version but I don't know of any so I thought I would get the windows one and translate the files to mac when done. Anyone already doing this that could let me know how well it works. 3. I'm using a power Pc that I could run windows in emulation on. Would this run MIDISCAN? Anyone else already doing this? 4. Price , the best I have found is from MICROWarehouse for $200. Anyone know of any better prices then that. 5. And lastly if I'm not to bold and because I hate to spend bucks on something and then find out it doesn't do what I need after the fact, if anyone would be willing to email me a scaned and translated midi file from their use of Midiscan and I will see if I can open it and translate it into a mac file for my sequencer. thanks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:54:56 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "william.b.fox" Subject: Re: midi map hell(p) In frustration, Craig cries: > AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!! I need help! I'm trying to switch sequences > from a drum machine into my computer sequencer (running Vision). > Vision's transposition map doesn't work b/c any note, in all octaves, > must transpose to the same note i.e. all Ds get transposed to Eb > regardless of octave. Some of the "notes" are doubled so this type > of map doesn't help. How should I do this? Can you extract each pitch to individual sequencer tracks like this? Eb2 - C2 - Ch 1 F2 - E2 - Ch 2 D2 - D2 - Ch 3 B2 - Gb2 - Ch 4 D3 - Eb4 - Ch 5 Ab2 - Ab4 - Ch 6 E2 - A1 - Ch 7 C2 - Db2 - Ch 8 A1 - E1 - Ch 9 A2 - F2 - Ch 10 C3 - C3 - Ch 11 Gb2 - B3 - Ch 12 Then thanspose each track and merge them back together again. A lot of work, I know, but doable. Good luck. Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:15:58 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "william.b.fox" Subject: Re: UK terminology Steven D. Bramson replied to my querey: > You are doing fine. I was aware of e.g. UK=Bar, USA=Measure, but not > that USA do not use cotchet, quaver (eighth note) etc. I assume in > USA you use the traditional Italian expression markings? Does anybody > recall who said "Two nations separated by a common language"? Thanks! Bar and measure are both used over here but I think measure prevails in frequency of usage. Allegro went to Andante's inferno.. :-) Er, I mean, yes, we use Italian markings. I'm fairly certain that the quote came from a Brit commenting on how we've butchered the Queen's English. [ What would one expect from the progeny of renegade colonists? (-: ] But I cannot remember who said it. Bill "Give me Emusic or give me death" Fox wbf@aloft.att.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 08:41:28 LCL Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Carnes Subject: Re: FreeMidi In-Reply-To: <9501150601.AA17854@ursa-major.spdcc.com> ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 22 X-Sun-Content-Length: 1563 To answer the question about "what is FreeMidi", you have to have a little bit of history. Code developers of MIDI applications have long needed a sort of central switchboard that is common to a system. Such a switch- board could be configured to know what kind of Midi interface was in the system, and what devices (synths, FX, etc) were attached on what cables. The Midi applications would then talk to the switchboard instead of talking directly to the hardware. Whenever the configuration is changed (you just bought a new toy), you update the central switchboard and the new device is now visible to all of the applications. Apple took a first crack at this with the Midi Manager extension. It turned out not to work very well and was quite a resource hog. Essentially un- usable in professional applications. Next, Opcode and MOTU jumped into the fray. Opcode developed OMS and MOTU developed FreeMidi. They are both intended to do the same job and they are, alas, incompatible. As far as I know, they both work well and provide some level of emulation of their competing siblings. The only reason that both exist is because MOTU and Opcode are competitors. This is doubly unfortunate, because FreeMidi (or OMS) are not profit centers in themselves. They are just enablers of greater functionality in the sequencers, librarians, etc. There have been some efforts from the outside world (Emusic press, etc) to get both companies into the same room, but so far they prefer to stand on opposite sides of the river and throw rocks at one another. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:19:03 +0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andy Mcdonough Subject: over 40 since there is an age issue (non-issue) here...i wanted to quickly relate to you an interesting happening: i was teaching (filling in) at a local college here in new jersey and the dept chair came to me with an independent study request from a "continuing education" student. that term (CE - not student) has always confused me...isn't education continuing? anyway, the student was in his retirement (language teacher for many years) and he had recently accepted a position as a chrch organinst, was starting a concert series at the church and had purchased a M1 and wanted to learn about midi! and synth techniques.....blew me away....he is now following an interest in jazz styles and has started publishing a friend's music (got him a grant, too)......so we are trying to interest him in james brown,,,who know? ....andy _________________________________________________________________________ andy mcdonough ...at&t bell laboratories, middletown,nj... (908)957-6674 ======================================================================== _________________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:49:00 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Bourgouin, Gaetan" Subject: Re: questions about the AWE 32. Steve wrote : >I'm a new member of this mailing list and I'm wondering >if someone could answer a questions about the AWE 32 sound card. The >literature I've been able to gather on the card has so far been woefully >inadequate. In order for me to lay out the cash for one, I need to know >more. Does anyone know where I can find a comprehensive, musician/composer >oriented review of this product? Check PC World of December 94 where they compare different sound cards (AWE32 is in it) and also in Keyboard of October 94 same type of comparison (again AWE32 is in it). Gaetan Bourgouin gbourgou@po2.mtl.marconi.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:42:54 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Anthony D'Auria Subject: Signature question In-Reply-To: <9501161419.AA10300@voyager.bxscience.edu> HI!! To do all my mail, I use PINE. I made my signature file and whenever I reply, It doesn't put the signature file at the end, but puts it on the first line, before the originall text of the message that I am replying to. Is tere any command that can put the contents ofthe signature file at the end of the reply, instead at the beginning of the orignal text?? Any ideas will be welcome. P.S. Sorry to post an "off-the-topic" question. Thanks in advance, Anthony D'Auria dauriaa@voyager.bxscience.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:48:35 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tom Jordan Subject: Re: Women in emusic In my education work I find that have a rather good number of enthusiastic students who are young girls or women. I think they have to trudge past a lot of excess, superficial techno-male posturing to get to the music. I know that I have tried to balance my presentations (as a male) by refering to Suzanne Ciani from way back in the days of her fizzing Coke commercials. Tori Amos does absolutely nothing for me, neither does Kate Bush, although I might mention them in passing just to acknowledge that there *are* women out there. Wendy Carlos might make it into a conversation about women in emusic, but this is a subject that is unfortunately difficult to reflect upon at any depth. But, you know, just talking about women composers in western music is tough to do. Ladies? Don't beat us up - just help us do a better job of being supportive :-) Tom Jordan Wired for Sound! - computer music for kids ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 19:09:23 ADT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Whisper Organization: UNB Saint John Subject: FTP sites Anyone have any FTP site info for bass tab please send to this address with user id's and passwords. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 23:48:36 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: having problems receiving from these lists In-Reply-To: <199501151936.OAA24415@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "kenneth lee hankins" at Jan 15, 95 12:35:55 pm > > hrm... it seems that when i post something to this list i never receive > my postings if that makes sense. is this normal? it makes me wonder if > i go unheard! > For LISTSERV lists, it's normal. I can get you the option if you want to see your own posts. -- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 00:26:23 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: FTP sites In-Reply-To: <199501162310.SAA28209@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "Whisper" at Jan 16, 95 07:09:23 pm > > Anyone have any FTP site info for bass tab please send to this > address with user id's and passwords. > If the user ID is anything other than "anonymous", we do NOT want to hear about it. I really don't like to think that this list would be used for cracking accounts, really I wouldn't...and count on me arriving like an anvil from orbit on anything other than anonymous FTP or WWW links. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 01:02:05 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Drew Lesso Subject: Kayser Harmonics I would like to connect with anyone who is familiar with the work of Hans Kayser or Alfred von Thimus. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 03:13:45 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Nicholas J. Moenssens" Subject: Re: MidiScan I have only seen Midi Scan for IBM compatibles. Should work on a POWER PC in Window emulation. Why not contact vendor? Maybe Mac version is in the works. What an incredible program though if it works!! I am looking for a way to convert player piano rolls into midi. Anyone have any ideas? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 21:41:46 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: What has happened to...? Hello Emusicers, another correspondent here gave the address of Biomuse at but my mailer can't find it. Has this site disappeared or been renamed? (I tired it without the .us, too, without success.) (Whoops! That should read 'tried'!) Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:33:00 PST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Ford, Richard X2056" DIG ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 10:23:18 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: What has happened to...? Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List >Hello Emusicers, >another correspondent here gave the address of Biomuse at >but my mailer can't find it. Has this site disappeared or been renamed? >(I tired it without the .us, too, without success.) >(Whoops! That should read 'tried'!) > Try that as well.sf.ca.us. That's The Well, a service provider in the San Francisco area. The .us is required because the trailing ca would imply Canada. --- Joe M. -- The true spirit of EMUSIC-L, as encapsulated by Tapas Das: "The rep looked at me as if I was out of my mind." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:14:11 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: JJSpring@AOL.COM Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 13 Jan ... Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu In regards to the MIDI scanner, I haven't used it , but if memory serves me correctly, Keyboard magazine gave it a less than glowing review. I think their comments were something to the effect that you could write out the whole manuscript by hand quicker than MIDIscan could. I think it's a great idea, but I'm not so sure the technology is practical yet. Good luck! John Spring ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 02:28:02 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Twoheadyak@AOL.COM Subject: ADAT vs. DA-88? Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu I'm looking comparative viewpoints on the Alesis ADAT vs. the Tascam DA-88 MDM formats. I am in the market to purchase one, and would like viewpoints from actual users who've preferably had experience with both. Originally I was definitely leaning towards the ADAT format, because I have been very satisfied with my other Alesis products, and because I have worked with Hi8 (what the Tascam box uses) in a video setting and know that for video, Hi8 can only stand three passes max before the image quality degrades significantly; in other words, it sucks for editing, not the kind of thing you want for demanding multiple pass multitrack recording. Now, I am aware of some of the more creepy things that the ADAT does with your tracks when recording (like totally re-recording all of your pre-existing tracks every time you add on a new one, or the quality of SVHS tape); but, I figured an unknown quantity was better than a known problem. At this point I'm feeling a little conflicted, Sony has adopted the Tascam format for their new MDM, and I do trust Sony (sometimes). Now, has Sony adopted the format just because they invented Hi8, or is it because they know something we don't? Also, is their MDM produced by their high-end A-Line, or their consumer level B-Line? This would be a deciding factor. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:10:22 MET-1 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: ITA BAL ZS Subject: Korg X Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu Please comments about the X5... \\|// (o o) ------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------ Nev : Ita Balazs E-Mail: ITA@AJK.JPTE.HU Intezmeny cime: JPTE Jogi kar ------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:15:39 CST Reply-To: m.vaneden@student.utwente.nl Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin van Eden Subject: Re: General Music S-3 Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU On Sun, 15 Jan 1995 05:13:02 -0500, Nicholas J. Moenssens wrote: >I am arranging on a General Music S-3 music processor. Anyone have any >sample libraries for this unit? I own a GEM S-3 myself and had the 'Turbokit' option installed. It allowes me to load Avalon, SoundDesigner, Samplevision and Wave format samples into Ram. It also enables me to read Akai S1000 floppy's and receive samples via MIDI. I hope you also have this upgraded version of the S3, because if not, you're limited to GEM's own disk format for Sample exchange and I haven't found a way yet to read those disk on my PC or Atari ST. If anybody knows a way to read or convert strange disk formats, please let me know. Then I can send Nicholas some Samples by Email. Greetings, Martin *-------------------------------------------------------------* | This message contains recycled electrons only, | | and is completely CFK-free ! | |-------------------------------------------------------------| | Name: Martin van Eden ||||||| | | University: Twente University | o o | | | Faculty: Educational Science & Technology C | | Country: The Netherlands \___/ | | E-mail: M.VANEDEN@STUDENT.UTWENTE.NL | *-------------------------------------------------------------* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:18:46 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: esm3max!bluemax@UUSTAR.STARNET.NET Subject: Re: MidiScan Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List Comments: cc: bluemax@uustar.starnet.net In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Jan 95 03:13:45 EST." <199501170812.AA27102@uustar.starnet.net> From a message by "Nicholas J. Moenssens" - >I am looking for a way to convert player piano rolls into midi. Anyone have >any ideas? I've thought about this a bit. I seems to me, that the best way would be to use a sonartina (sp?). This is a device that rolls up to or sits on the keyboard and plays piano rolls. I have a newer one that needs some work. They have been around since just before player pianos were introduced. There are even versions that play reproducing rolls (i.e. for reproducing pianos like the Welte-Mingnon and Duo-Art). Once you have this you could simply set it up with a MIDI keyboard and have the sonartina play the keyboard while your sequencer records the MIDI data from the keybard. Be careful of distribution though. Many rolls still have active copyrights. By the way, QRS (huge manufacturer of player piano rolls) has several SMF disks which they have recorded from rolls. They have a free catalog and seem to be very nice, friendly people. If you want more info about QRS, I'll be glad to send their phone number and address (don't have it here at this time). Bill Budenholzer =============================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 09:51:14 GMT-7 Reply-To: 32314@aca.nwc.whecn.edu Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: scott Bruce Berry <32314@ACA.NWC.WHECN.EDU> Organization: Northwest College unsubscribe Scott Berry Scott Berry Software/Hardware Technition (Specializes in Speech/Translation Programs/Braille Printers) E-Mail: 32314@ACA.NWC.WHECN.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:41:48 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "E. Candy Held" Subject: 5th Biennial Symposium for Arts and Technology Comments: To: Arts Distribution list sent , arachnet@acadvml.vottawa.CA, arpanet-bboards@mc.lcs.mit.edu, artnet@newcastle.ac.uk, audio-l@vmtecmex.bitnet, balt-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, brass@geomag.gly.fus.edu, classm-l@brownvm.brown.edu, comp-soc@limbo.intuitive.com, cvnet@yorkvm1.bitnet, dance-l@hearn.bitnet, delphi-L%uiucvmd.bitnet@acfcluster.nyu.edu, delphi-l@uiucvmd.bitnet, design-l@hearn.bitnet, e-europe@ncsuvri.bitnet, earlym-l@aearn.bitnet, ectl@snowhite.cis.veguelph.ea, emusic-l@american.edu, film-l@vmtecmex.bitnet, frac-l@gitvm1.bitnet, franz-friends@berkeley.edu, H-ideas%uicvm.bitnet@uga.cc.uga.edu, iamex-l@tecmtyvm.bitnet, image-l@trearn.bitnet, info-gcg%utoronto.bitnet@vm1.nodak.edu, info-graphics@ads.com, info-high-audia@csd4.csd.vum.edu, l-hcap@ndsovm1.bitnet, libpacs@uhupvm1.bitnet, libref-l@kentvm.kent.edu, media-l@bingvma.bitnet, mexico-l@techmtyvm.mty.itesm.mx, mla-l@iubvm.bitnet, mmedia-l@vmtechmex.bitnet, music-research@prg.ox.ac.uk, obegroup@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu, opera-l@brfapesp.bitnet, opt-proc@taunivm.bitnet, para-dap@irlearn.bitnet, photo-1@buacca.bitnet, screen-l@va1vm.bitnet, somfpmoa@asuvm.inre.asu.edu, sovnet-l@indycms.bitnet, sportpsy@templevm.bitnet, stagecraft@jaguar.cs.utat.edu, stuxch-l@psum.psu.edu, technology-transfer-list@sci.cmu.edu, theatre@pucc.princeton.edu, upllist@sushi.stanford.edu, virtu-l@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu, vision-list@ads.com, wpainter@womenscol.stephens.edu THE 5TH BIENNIAL ARTS & TECHNOLOGY SYMPOSIUM at Connecticut College, New London, Connecticut March 2-5, 1995 For four stimulating days, a major international convergence of exhibitions, presentations, performances, concerts, conversations, papers, workshops, and panels devoted to presenting the edge and exploring the increasing links in the interdisciplinary world of arts, sciences, media, and technology. Advance Registration, $175. After Feb 15th, $225. For flyer and more information: Center for Arts and Technology at Connecticut College 270 Mohegan Avenue Box 5365 New London, CT 06320 203.439.2001 203.439.5311 fax cat@conncoll.edu ................................................................................................................. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:04:38 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Rich Fox Subject: Playing Quicktime 2.0 Synth Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU I've recently learned that Apple's Quicktime 2.0 contains a 43 voice MIDI software synthesizer. Do any of you nice people know how to play this device in real time with a master keyboard or percussion controller? Helpful tips and accusations always appreciated. Richard Fox Philadelphia College of Art rfox@hslc.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:09:51 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: ADMIN: periodic tools and rules posting Comments: To: emusic-l@AMERICAN.EDU This is the biweekly posting of this information. Please read and save this message if you have not already done so. Remember that this is available from http://sunsite.unc.edu/emusic-l. --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Frequently-Asked Questions for EMUSIC-L *** How do I get on this list? *** Send mail to listserv@american.edu with the text SUB EMUSIC-L should be replaced by your first and last name (at a minimum; LISTSERV insists on at least two blank-separated words here). 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We have only once had to take action against a member of the list for breaking these rules, even when they hadn't been stated explicitly. We will notify offenders via private mail and will wait for a response. But we don't have time to play Politeness and Germaneness Monitors. We will remove users from the list only if we must, and we always give people the benefit of the doubt when possible. But be assured that we will act to preserve the quality of discussion on this list. --- Joe M. (xrjdm@farside.gsfc.nasa.gov) -- The true spirit of EMUSIC-L, as encapsulated by Tapas Das: "The rep looked at me as if I was out of my mind." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:21:26 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Rich Fox Subject: BioMuse Address Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU In response to David Rodger's inquiry regarding the address of the manufacturers of the BioMuse device, I provide the following info: "tnt@biocontrol.com" will get you in touch with one of their boys. My lab has one of these devices. If you've got questions, I may have answers. Richard Fox Philadelphia College of Art rfox@hslc.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 14:56:40 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Peter M. Donato" Subject: Re: Korg X Not much here to say about the X5, but the X3. Let me know. BYE, BUGGYBUMP ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 15:06:38 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Peter M. Donato" Subject: Mixers...amps... Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU Hi all. I don't know if this question really pertains to this group, but I'm new so please bear with me. I need a good (cheap) used mixer for home recording and an amp (also cheap) for the sound system for one of the churches that I play at. If anybody has a MACKIE 1202 that I could take off their hands for a lot less than I would pay in a store ($300.00) that would be cool. If not that particular mixer, than any 8 or 12 channel with good eq's and tape outputs, etc. would be great! The amp could be at least 80 or 100 watts (small church) please. If you have any of these things, PLEASE GET BACK TO ME!!! I have had absolutely no luck with this for the past 3 months. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! PETER ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:45:34 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Audio to CD-R Comments: To: Emusic List I'm going to get my hands on a Mac with a CD-R connected to it. The Mac is an 8100/110, but no Soundtools or any sound thingies. It's a research machine. Does anyone know how i could possibly transfer the contents of an audio DAT to it to make an audio CD? Thanks... Arne -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 23:57:28 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Miron Deyssenroth Subject: Re: Playing Quicktime 2.0 Synth hi. there's some shareware out called MIDIQT, which links the MIDI manager to QT. i think it's in the umich archives (the demo which supports 1 channel) hope that helps miron ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:49:17 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Greg Dorter Subject: government regulation (fwd) Comments: To: MAX Comments: cc: emusic-L [If you don't use a modem and don't intend to, just delete this.] Two years ago the FCC tried and (with your help and letters of protest) failed to institute regulations that would impose additional costs on modem users for data communications. Now, they are at it again. A new regulation that the FCC is quietly working on will directly affect you as the user of a computer and modem. The FCC proposes that users of modems should pay extra charges for use of the public telephone network which carry their data. In addition, computer network services such as CompuServ, Tymnet, & Telenet would also be charged as much as $6.00 per hour per user for use of the public telephone network. These charges would very likely be passed on to the subscribers. The money is to be collected and given to the telephone company in an effort to raise funds lost to deregulation. Jim Eason of KGO newstalk radio (San Francisco, CA) commented on the proposal during his afternoon radio program during which, he said he learned of the new regulation in an article in the New York Times. Jim took the time to gather addresses which are given below. Here's what you should do (NOW!): 1-Pass this information on. Capture the information which contains the text you are reading now. Find other BBS's that are not carrying this information. Upload the ASCII text into public message on the BBS, and also upload the file itself so others can easily get a copy to pass along. 2-Print out three copies of the letter which follows (or write yours down) and send a signed copy to each of the following: Chairman of the FCC 1919 M Street N.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 Chairman, Senate Communication Subcommittee SH-227 Hart Building Washington, D.C. 20510 Chairman, House Telecommunication Subcommittee B-331 Rayburn Building Here's the suggested text of the letter to send: Dear Sir: Please allow me to express my displeasure with the FCC proposal which would authorize a surcharge for the use of modems on the telephone network. This regulation is nothing less than an attempt to restrict the free exchange of information among the growing number of computer users. Calls placed using modems require no special telephone equipment, and users of modems pay the phone company for use of the network in the form of a monthly bill. In short, a modem call is the same as a voice call and therefore should not be subject to any additional regulation. Sincerely, *************** It is important that you act now. The bureaucrats already have it in their heads that modem users should subsidize the phone company and are now listening to public comment. Please stand up and make it clear that we will not stand for any government restriction on the free exchange of information. Please deal with this in a TIMELY manner. We can't wait and watch, or we will be walked over by government regulations that are trying to strangle us. Kirk deFord, Regional Telementor Region I The California Arts Project @ Casa Grande High School 333 Casa Grande Road, Petaluma, CA 94953 707.778-4677 (leave message) or at home: 707.769-8653 :%) kdeford@ctp.org ***=***=***=***=***=***=***=***=***=***=***=***=***=***=***=*** *J. Richard Haefer Mariachi Diablos del Sol* * School of Music, Arizona State University * * Box 870405 Tempe, Arizona 85287-0405 * * * *ICRJH AT ASUACVAX.BITNET r.haefer@asu.edu* *FAX 602/965-2659 Voice 602/965-7568* * Phone Message: 602/965-3371 * ***=***=***=***=***=**=**=***=***=***=***=**=**=***=***=***=*** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:59:14 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Greg Dorter Subject: Modem Tax is Chain Letter -- Sorry(fwd) Comments: To: MAX Comments: cc: emusic-L Oops, sorry. Next thing you know I'll post about the "Good-times" virus. Attention Everyone: Do not respond to the recent posting regarding a federal modem tax: This is a chain letter that has been around for some time, and the claim that it makes is baseless. According to Margaret Levine Young & John R. Levine in *The Internet For Dummies*, 2nd ed., p. 94, the "modem tax" rumor has these origins: "In 1987, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) briefly floated a proposal for a technical change to the rules governing the way on-line services, such as CompuServe and GEnie, are billed for their phone connections. Implementing the proposal would have had the effect of raising the prices these services charge. Customers of on-line services made their opposition clear immediately and loudly, members of Congress made concerned inquiries, and the proposal was dropped--permanently. Unfortunately, undated alarmist notices about the proposal have circulated around bulletin boards ever since. If you see yet another modem tax scare, demand the FCC's current docket number because the FCC--as a government bureaucracy--can't blow its nose without making announcements, accepting comments, and so on. So no docket means no action, which means it's the same old rumor that you should ignore." ------------------------------------- Tom Brodhead tombrod@pop02.ny.us.ibm.net 01/18/95 19:16:36 ------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:53:56 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: DavidB10@AOL.COM Subject: E-MU ESI-32 WELL I'VE GOT THIS SAMPLER AND TO MY SURPRISE! IT DOES NOT READ EMAX II FLOPPYS!!! SO MY HUGE LIBRARY IS ABOUT TO BE @#$%^! IF ANY BODY CAN HEAR {HELP} ME I'LL LIST THEM IN MY CREDITS. NOT WORTH MUCH BUT IT'S EVERLASTING DAVE ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 00:02:18 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "E.R.M. (Editions de la Rue Margot)" Subject: Winstin Disgrace! (fwd) Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU To all, I thought that you all should see this 'e-mail' that was sent to our office regarding a concert by ROBERT IAN WINSTIN, and concerning NEWT GINGRICH...of all people. For the state of the state of the country...read on! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 01:07:03 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Poklenkowski To: numusic@interaccess.com Subject: Winstin Disgrace! Gentlemen, I am a former University music faculty member, in the University of Wisconsin school system. Naturally, upon returning to my home town to visit relatives this past holiday season, I was drawn to attending a concert by one of your recording artists. Now I have no real qualms with Mr. Robert Ian Winstin. I even have two of his CD's (that's where I got your e-mail address.), so you can understand my dismay when I actually got to see him! Now, in all fairness, the first three-quarters of his recital was fine. Well, to be truthful, I, and my mother, thought that it was excellent! However, as an encore, Mr. Winstin came out to the very receptive audience, and requested 10 notes, at random from the audience, from which he would improvise an encore. Mother and I thought this very thrilling, and quite difficult! Well, Winstin got his 10 notes, took a few moments and composed his theme, and launched into an impressive display of styles and forms, including a three (I think) voice fugue! It was all quite well done. Well, and this should be a lesson to your artists; he let it go too far! I guess that the audience was just a little too involved with the performance, because someone shouted out that he should play his next variation in the style of Beethoven. Which he did. Someone suggested Chopin. He complied. Debussy...just fine. Then they started to get silly. Someone said that he should play it in the style of Bill Clinton's saxophone playing. And Winstin played a variation of his theme with the right hand slightly out of time, always having to chase after the left hand, and (I think) a half step away. Someone shouted NEWT GINGRICH. Winstin played the cadence to "Shave and a haircut..." but left off the resolution of "...two bits." He then closed the piano, stood up, and facing the audience said: "What the greatest minds created, a fool tears apart" With that Winstin left the stage, and did not return. Now I think that an artist of Winstin's stature should limit himself to performing, and not get involved in politics. After all, who is he to call the Speaker of the House a fool? I shall not be buying anymore of Mr. Winstin's CD's, nor will I be buying anymore of your company's products. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:17:58 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Carnes Subject: Re: Playing Quicktime 2.0 Synth In-Reply-To: <199501190600.BAA808694@atlanta.american.edu> ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 16 X-Sun-Content-Length: 999 I don't know of any programs that give realtime access to the instruments in the Quicktime synthesizer. I can tell you a few things that might be useful. The actual number of voices you get depends on your processor. On an LCIII, you'll get 7 or 8. The synth itself is quite simple and is, I believe, a wavetable synth with some Roland samples. It's quite rudimentary and is intended more for games and presentation stuff than for any serious musical work. Even so, it's pretty cute. It's also a whole lot more space-efficient for those applications. I have heard that the Quicktime data can be transmitted to an external GM synth (probably using Midi Manager), but I've seen no solid evidence for this. I haven't been curious enough to try it out myself. You can use the SimpleText editor to convert any Standard Midi File into a Quicktime movie (no picture of course). Just open the file. I'm pretty sure the sounds are mapped to a General Midi subset. Hope this is useful information. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 11:31:18 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Winstin Disgrace! (fwd) >To all, > >I thought that you all should see this 'e-mail' that was sent to our >office regarding a concert by ROBERT IAN WINSTIN, and concerning NEWT >GINGRICH...of all people. > I would say that a political discussion, especially one with such polarized opinions as this one, should be avoided here. Such things are simply all too likely to completely overwhelm all other discussion on the list. --- Joe M. -- The true spirit of EMUSIC-L, as encapsulated by Tapas Das: "The rep looked at me as if I was out of my mind." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 11:04:17 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Brian Good Subject: Re: midi map hell(p) Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU In-Reply-To: <9501140055.AA16263@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov> from "Craig Marks" at Jan 13, 95 04:53:00 pm Craig Marks writes: > AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!! I need help! I'm trying to switch sequences from a drum > machine into my computer sequencer (running Vision). Vision's transposition > map doesn't work b/c any note, in all octaves, must transpose to the same note > i.e. all Ds get transposed to Eb regardless of octave. Some of the "notes" are > doubled so this type of map doesn't help. How should I do this? Look in the Map Transpose section of the Transpose window. The default is something like "from 12 notes starting at D3 to 12 notes starting at 3." Reset the numbers from 12 to 128 (you may also have to reset the "starting at" notes as well--I don't remember if Vision will set those automagically). Then set up the individual note mappings in the map scroll box on the right. When the mapping region sizes are set to 128 notes, you no longer get the same mappings in each octave. brian good nasa lerc "...and Hindemith's marvelous Kleine Kammermusik, a little known masterpiece for woodwind quintet that predates Ren and Stimpy by nearly sixty years." --John Adams ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:23:47 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Hazel & Rebecca Gibson Saxty Subject: Winstin Disgrace! Is it not what entertainers do best WIND PEOPLE UP. M.Hazel ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:27:27 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: OnLand@AOL.COM Subject: The start of a musical movement Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu Are there any Eno-phytes or Ambie-phile Musician/Composers out there interested in E-mail, collaboration, or other Oblique Strategies? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:17:26 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Speedtekno@AOL.COM Subject: Equip. wanted.... Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu this message would only apply to people in the southeastern united states, preferably those within close driving distance from knoxville tn:....... would anybody be will to sell any of the following: -mackie 1604 -alesis quadrasynth -roland dj-70 -opcode studio 4 -Kurzweil K2000rs with at least 8 mb or ram, rack or keyboard version thanks, peace out THE SPEED FREEKS ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:28:41 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: RonG225zt@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Playing Quicktime 2.0 Synth There is an application called Midi QT that allows you to use PatchBay to connect your sequencer to Quicktime's music instrument extension. I've seen a demo version posted around. I think the full version is around $20.00. Ron Geier Pierce College RonG225zt@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:08:08 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Siberian Khatru Subject: Quadraphonic sound on PCs Comments: To: EMUSIC-L I am a user of Csound for 486 PC compatibles and I would like to utilize its capability to produce 4-channel (quadraphonic) sound. Can a .wav file hold 4-channels? If so, how could I play a 4-channel .wav on my system? (I am currently unaware of the existence of a quadraphonic sound card.) If .wavs can't hold 4-channels, what file-type should be used? Thanks, Jon Southwood jsouthwo@keller.clarke.edu ****************************************************************************** "Critics are like eunuchs in a harem. They're there every night, they see it done every night, the see how it should be done every night, but they can't do it themselves."-Brendan Behan ****************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:46:48 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: VLeComer@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Audio to CD-R You need to find out what software you'll be using to access the CD-R. Most packages will allow you to create Red Book standard disks made up of AIFF format files. Others such as Digidesign or Pinnacle Micro allow you to use other formats (i.e., MasterList CD by Digidesign, which uses ProTools/Sound Designer II format, in addition to other formats). Hope this gives you a start... ---Victor ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 22:56:39 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: FingersMan@AOL.COM Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu Please unsubscribe me. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 00:32:49 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tubajunior@AOL.COM Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? Words to live by. Wait till Apple comes out with PCI port powermacs and buy Protools 3. Its the future. It's incredibly slick, and spinning video head technology is so clunky(read undependable as in multiple repairs) Good luck. Rob Barrett, Jr. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:35:37 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: M compatibility Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu Hello emusicers, re the discussion about Inteelligent Music's M: the latest version I have seen is 2.2.4. Any advances on that? As for System 7 compatibility, I have just spoken to a tech in my Music department who said that he has found that M will not work under System 7 if you have any sort of video card installed in a NuBus slot (regular monitor card or an overhead LCD type). When the card is removed and you run under internal video or VRAM, it is apparently okay. Anyone had different experiences? Come to think of it, if this discussion was on algo-comp out of uiowa, perhaps someone could send it there, please. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:19:27 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: JohnH93161@AOL.COM Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 19 Jan ... I am desperately looking for a descent FTP sight for a BBS where I can access some files that focus around the Roland JV80/90 series synth (new patches, editors, etc.). I was told FTP.UWP.EDU, but when I checked it looked they had cleared a LOT off (including the Kurzweil directory). Any suggestions? -John ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:54:00 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Amalgam@AOL.COM Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? I don't believe your facts about the ADAT are up to snuff. We have two of them here at the house. From what I know about them they do not re-record data if you're recording a new track. The ADAT, unlike the DA88, has 8 A/D converters and 8 D/A converters. Therefore it has 8 individual tracks of audio information. The DA88 however combines tracks i.e. 1 & 2 are taken care of by the same converters. And because of this it does re-record information when you record new a new track. As far as tape is concerned, the bigger the tape the better the quality (that's the thinking in video anyway). Though people complain about tape stretch with larger formats, I've never noticed it. That could be because the ADAT system has an amazing system for sync. (something like 1/48,000 of a sec., I don't believe the DA88 comes close on that, but I could be wrong). My vote is for the ADAT. Chuss! Jody Whitesides / "Its what's played between the notes that is golden" / Amalgam@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:39:50 WET Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Suvak Lajos 1, Is there an AWE32 list somwhere? 2, I like more info about the digital output on the AWE32. like - Does the digital signal go through the effect processor, or is it only the EMU8000's signal.(The signal that comes from the digital output) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:20:26 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Nicholas J. Moenssens" Subject: Re: MidiScan From a message by "Nicholas J. Moenssens" - >I am looking for a way to convert player piano rolls into midi. Anyone have >any ideas? =I've thought about this a bit. I seems to me, that the best way would be to use =a sonartina (sp?). This is a device that rolls up to or sits on the keyboard = and plays piano rolls. I have a newer one that needs some work. They have been =around since just before player pianos were introduced. There are even versions =that play reproducing rolls (i.e. for reproducing pianos like the Welte-Mingnon =and Duo-Art). Once you have this you could simply set it up with a MIDI keyboard =and have the sonartina play the keyboard while your sequencer records the =MIDI =data from the keybard. Be careful of distribution though. Many rolls still have =active copyrights. =By the way, QRS (huge manufacturer of player piano rolls) has several SMF =disks =which they have recorded from rolls. They have a free catalog and seem to be =very nice, friendly people. If you want more info about QRS, I'll be glad to =send their phone number and address (don't have it here at this time). =Bill Budenholzer ================================= From: Nicholas J. Moenssens Thank you for the information of the Sonartina idea to transcribe player piano rolls to MIDI. I have purchased a lot of newer QRS rolls. I contacted them and they stated that they have no way to transcribe rolls to midi. I have rolls that are over 85 years old from my grandparents. Some of the tunes I would like to transcribe and arrange. They are in the public domain. Several of them are Irving Berlin tunes that are not even listed in any periodicals. Essentially, they are "Lost" Berlin songs. Any idea where I might find one of these Sonartinas? Thanks much for your reply! P.S. I think it is interesting the lengths that must be gone to to reproduce one of the first uses of binary data, the player piano roll, on a modern piece of electronic equipment. (My philosophy for the day! :) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:16:08 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Nicholas J. Moenssens" Subject: Re: Women in emusic Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu Why would Wendy Carlos be difficult to reflect upon as a woman in music? (Thank you I am familiar with Walter Carlos, also!) I would recomend making music and making friends in music whether male, female or otherwise. After all, no woman or man would be recognized in electronic music, if she/he had no music to present or friends in/of the arts to present it to. Get off of the babble. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:07:29 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: haeckerh@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV Subject: Re: The start of a musical movement Hello-- please contact me at haeckerh@nwrc.gov and we'll see what we can do... Harry Haecker ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: The start of a musical movement Author: Electronic Music Discussion List at Internet-Gateway Date: 1/19/95 12:20 PM Are there any Eno-phytes or Ambie-phile Musician/Composers out there interested in E-mail, collaboration, or other Oblique Strategies? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:39:00 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Bourgouin, Gaetan" Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Digest . Comments: To: owner-emusic-l "I am desperately looking for a descent FTP sight for a BBS where I can access "some files that focus around the Roland JV80/90 series synth (new patches, "editors, etc.). I was told FTP.UWP.EDU, but when I checked it looked they "had cleared a LOT off (including the Kurzweil directory). "Any suggestions? For Roland listing: Roland JV-80/880 jv80-request@burner.com message: #SUBSCRIBE and for Roland Samplers: There is an FTP archive that includes introductory information, useful utilities (read Roland disks on your computer), archives of the mailing list, and some samples. The archive is on lotus.UWaterloo.ca in the pub/sgroup directory. Gaetan Bourgouin gbourgou@po2.mtl.marconi.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:52:26 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? In-Reply-To: <950120035358_7450817@aol.com> from "Amalgam@AOL.COM" at Jan 20, 95 03:54:00 am > I don't believe your facts about the ADAT are up to snuff. We have two of > them here at the house. From what I know about them they do not re-record > data if you're recording a new track. The ADAT, unlike the DA88, has 8 A/D > converters and 8 D/A converters. Therefore it has 8 individual tracks of > audio information. The DA88 however combines tracks i.e. 1 & 2 are taken > care of by the same converters. And because of this it does re-record > information when you record new a new track. I don't think that is correct either. The DA-88 has eight converters. It does multi-plex two tracks of data on one Video8 track, but there's nothing strange about that. Anytime you are dealing with a harddisk and saving files, data gets rewritten and erased. It's just invisible from the DOS layer. And no one is concerned with their harddosk data disappearing from saving files. > As far as tape is concerned, the bigger the tape the better the quality > (that's the thinking in video anyway). Though people complain about tape > stretch with larger formats, I've never noticed it. That could be because > the ADAT system has an amazing system for sync. (something like 1/48,000 of > a sec., I don't believe the DA88 comes close on that, but I could be wrong). The bigger tape, better quality might be true for analogue, not for digital (otherwise we might still be stuck with 8" floppies :). The stretch on ADATs can be a concern when you use a single tape a lot without reformating it, but for average use, i haven't encountered a problem. The sync really has nothing to do with dealing with tape stretch. I like the DA-88 better from reliability, but will go with ADAT just because I can use my tapes from studio to studio without a hassle. I do not own either, but use ADATs in studio work. -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:11:22 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: ddg@DEVLAC.EMS.COM Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? >I don't think that is correct either. The DA-88 has eight converters. It does >multi-plex two tracks of data on one Video8 track, but there's nothing strange >about that. Anytime you are dealing with a harddisk and saving files, data >gets rewritten and erased. It's just invisible from the DOS layer. And no one >is concerned with their harddosk data disappearing from saving files. Hmmm...really? On my harddisk recording system, I can save versions to the nth level (n limited by disk space). And I do concern myself with data disappearing ... hence backups and multiple versions. The fact that neither option is inexpensively available in the ADAT/DA-88 world is what prevents me from hopping on-board. [ddg] .............................................................................. Darwin Grosse . (414) 377-2946(h)/359-9800(w) . ddg@devlac.ems.com .............................................................................. "I can see your secrets, no need to confess; Everyone looks naked when you know the world's address." - The World's Address, by They Might Be Giants ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:38:59 GMT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "P.J. Crombach" Subject: Re: The start of a musical movement >Are there any Eno-phytes or Ambie-phile Musician/Composers out there >interested in E-mail, collaboration, or other Oblique Strategies? > Foolish question I know. Can anybody explain what are Eno-phytes or Ambie-phile Musician/Composers?? Is this a movement?? It sounds cool. thanks anyway..... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:13:40 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Equip. wanted.... >would anybody be will to sell any of the following: Please redirect such mailings to SYNTH-L. --- Joe M. -- The true spirit of EMUSIC-L, as encapsulated by Tapas Das: "The rep looked at me as if I was out of my mind." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:53:33 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: ADAT vs. DA-88? In-Reply-To: <0098ABDF061ADC20.00000F9C@ems.com> from "ddg@DEVLAC.EMS.COM" at Jan 20, 95 11:11:22 am > >>I don't think that is correct either. The DA-88 has eight converters. It does >>multi-plex two tracks of data on one Video8 track, but there's nothing strange >>about that. Anytime you are dealing with a harddisk and saving files, data >>gets rewritten and erased. It's just invisible from the DOS layer. And no one >>is concerned with their harddosk data disappearing from saving files. > >Hmmm...really? On my harddisk recording system, I can save versions to the nth >level (n limited by disk space). And I do concern myself with data >disappearing ... hence backups and multiple versions. The fact that neither >option is inexpensively available in the ADAT/DA-88 world is what prevents me >from hopping on-board. From disk errors, harddisk crash, sure. But are you afraid you're data will disappear every time you hit the save macro in Word, Sound Designer, etc.? Back-ups are alwasy wise and that applies to any medium, be it analog or digital tape or a harddisk. -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:27:29 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: christine annette jackson Subject: Re: Women in emusic Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L In-Reply-To: I thought I'd touch on this "Women in Emusic" topic with some personal experience... When I was growing up (I know, I know -- many say that I'm still trying to grow up...:), I was very shy - didn't hang out with "the guys"... Now the guys, though - they hung out with the other guys... and did their "guy" things, one of those being hanging out with bands and equipment: exposure. They all learned things about equipment and, thus, electronic music, from each other. But I didn't get that exposure or interactive learning experience. And I think most woman don't. So, here I am - a littl' less shy and trying to "hang out with the guys" and learn something. I also notice when going to music stores, there are usually guys hanging out around the equipment and playing with it, doodling around - and I'm usually the only girl dying to touch that keyboard, push that button and crank it ... Someone mentioned that maybe men have more techno-geared brains and interests... I'm not sure that this is true. It could possibly be a society/cultural issue, where boys are encouraged to pursue "engineering" types of careers and interests, and are more readily and easily accepted in this area. I don't know.... I have some other thoughts/opinions flying around in my brain that I'll try to throw out there in another message when they solidify.... Sometimes it feels like I'm trying to swim against the current when trying to comprehend info on this discussion list. But I'm supported by this overwhelming desire to learn what I can about making the music that I love so much! I also feel very supported by the people on this list (Thank You Very Much!). Keep jabbering and I'll keep listening... and surely it will help me firm up a foundation from which to jump off of! :) Bambi Techno-Peasant