========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:05:47 GMT+2 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Greg Hodgkinson Subject: Question from the fringe ... Sorry to bug you guys ... I joined this mailing list under the impression that it was a list discussing groups etc. I'm afraid all this info on synths and stuff is lost on me ( Wooooosshhh .... right over my head ). Any of you wizzes out there know a good MUSIC discussion group ( specifically alternative stuff ala Pearl Jam, Offspring, Oasis, STP etc. ) ... I'd appreciate you letting me know. OK ... now you can get back to your techno-babble. Cheers Greg ~~~~ PS : Any Trent Reznor fans out there ??? ( ie Nine Inch Nails ) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 07:16:17 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Pete Schoenhoff Subject: Re: anybody there? In-Reply-To: <950315232633_50979102@aol.com>; from "Robert Lee" at Mar 15, 95 11:26 pm These are the graceful words of Robert Lee: -> ->anyone here? -> nope. -- -Pete Schoenhoff pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:07:31 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bob Crispen Subject: Re: Drum sound modules In-Reply-To: Automatic digest processor "EMUSIC-L Digest - 15 Mar 1995 to 16 Mar 1995" (Mar 16, 1:00am) Nick Rothwell sez: >The problems I have with drum machines are: they're bulky as playback >sources (and the R8 takes a lot of table-space in any case); and the >onboard software and data structuring facilities tend to be very, very >crude. My weekend acquisition (the Boss DR-660) happens to fit right on top of my main controller keyboard (a V50) in the spare space where the V50 doesn't have any buttons, so at least that objection is overcome. As to onboard software, you're right, but I'll say that putting together a custom drumkit for a song is easier on my drum machine than on any sampler I've played (FZ-1 and Emax II, so I'm willing to be corrected). BTW, thanks to all the folks who helped me in my search for a drum machine who missed my reply on SYNTH-L. I tried out every one of the machines y'all recommended and ended up getting one of your picks. Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen revbob@hera.hv.boeing.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:37:25 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: atomic city Subject: Re: Analogue Heaven In-Reply-To: from "Jon Krocker" at Mar 15, 95 10:16:46 pm Jon Krocker writes-- > >Does anybody have the email address of analogue heaven? >Is it on a listserv or do you have to send the request to a >moderator? Analogue Heaven's address is analogue@hyperreal.com. Its moderators are Todd Sines and Mike Perkowitz, but you can subscribe via a majordomo listserver or write to Mike (tint@hyperreal.com) for help. -- mike metlay \ atomic city \ "Just be thankful that you're not the one with the p.o.box 81175 \ breasts. She's **really** in for it." pgh pa 15217-0675 \ (m. carnes) atomic@netcom.com \ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:59:46 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Question from the fringe ... In-Reply-To: <8B9F451322@wwg3.uovs.ac.za> from "Greg Hodgkinson" at Mar 16, 95 12:05:47 pm > Any of you wizzes out there know a good MUSIC discussion group > ( specifically alternative stuff ala Pearl Jam, Offspring, Oasis, > STP etc. ) ... I'd appreciate you letting me know. allmusic@american.edu is one. > PS : Any Trent Reznor fans out there ??? ( ie Nine Inch Nails ) > Quite a number. Melay bought his Xpander from Trent, I believe. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 17:03:45 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Bunn Subject: MR.BUNN ARRIVES Good-day all, Just recieved my university account and am on the board. Would appreciate a brief history from the year dot onwards. Have a tune under construction on Cubase at this very moment and must depart to complete it. P.Bunn-id2h1644@lmu.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:06:46 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Dustin McIntyre Subject: Re: Drum sound modules > Drum machines are a terrible, needless waste of perfectly good money in this day and age...... >I believe this would depend on one's current needs. I wasn't trying to sound didactic. I only wished to emphasize(especially with people of the advanced level of forethought who are subscribed here) that a drum machine will lose it's lustre long before a sampler(chameleon). And since cost is at an all time low, if one wants maximum control, one should very seriously consider digital sampling as opposed to preset sounds (no matter how well reasoned and recorded by whatever manufacturer). Agreed, also that the interface on a traditional drum machine is much easier and more productive for many to program, and that realtime control features on several machines would leave you hard-pressed on a sampler, but as was pointed out, a little editor and MAX combo is liable to solve everything...I hope this one's less bossy and more inherently logical. Take care. Tetsuo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 17:34:17 EST Reply-To: STERN@MAIL.LOC.GOV Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List Comments: LAST CALL FOR MAX PETITION From: JOEL STERN Subject: LAST CALL FOR MAX PETITION Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu This is the last call for the MAX petition. I'll wait a few more days and then send the names I've gathered off to Opcode. ----------------------------------------------------------------- As you may already know, I'm collecting names for a petition to urge Opcode to release MAX in a PC/Windows version. If you support this idea please send a personal email to me with your name and e-mail address and something about MAX in the subject line. After a reasonable period of time I'll collate all of the names and send them to Opcode. Thanks˙ Joel Stern stern@email.loc.gov ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 17:39:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Lee McClain Subject: Re: Question from the fringe ... Greg Hodgkinson writes: I don't know of any mailing lists specifically for bands, but I know that there are several newsgroups on the 'Net catering to popular music. Here are some examples: alt.music.pearl-jam alt.music.nin alt.music.u2 alt.fan.u2 Hopefully this will help you find what you need. Lee ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:27:43 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Marty M. Marion" Subject: Re: keyboard search Help! I am a computer composer in San Diego. I would like a weighted keyboard I can use with my Roland SC-7. I need something as small as possible so it fits on my desk. Any ideas? Please E-mail me. Thanks- M23rd ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:05:44 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael C Quiring Subject: Recording Board Im planning on expanding my home set up to include Digital Audio, however with the computer I own the only option I have is a program that runs eight tracks, so what I need is an eight track recording board ( if they even make one) it doesn't have top be top of the line just something to serve the purpose, any suggestions? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:46:09 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: MR.BUNN ARRIVES In-Reply-To: from "Paul Bunn" at Mar 16, 95 05:03:45 pm > > Good-day all, > Just recieved my university account and am on the board. > Would appreciate a brief history from the year dot onwards. Believe it or not, an archive from the year dot (which is 1989 in these parts) available at http://sunsite.unc.edu/emusic-l. It's a bit behind at the moment (almost two years for the HTML portion), but the data is being collected and sorted. We talk a LOT. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:48:44 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Taylor Subject: dat's the way u-huh u-huh Hello Ladies and Gent's. I am interested in the Tascam DA-30 MK II. Has anyone had any experience with this machine? This will be my first DAT purchase so the more info the better. Also, if anyone can recommend a comparable or better machine in the $1,500 price range, please advise. One more thing, I've got an M1 that's suffering from sticking black keys. This board has not been subjected to road work or any harsh conditions. Any M1 owners with similar problems? Any ideas on the cause? Any ideas on how to repair? Any feedback would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks, PT ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:18:09 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: James McCartney Subject: sorry, fingers slipped up! Didn't mean to mail that digest msg to the list, sorry! Another worthless post from.. --- james mccartney ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 14:43:32 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Electric to MIDI conversion Hi Geoff, this reminds me of a device I'm using. In my system - position tracking controller - an Intel MC8031 embedded microcontroller uses various imputs to generate interrupts which then caused the rest of the program to stuff. Now, I'm not an electrical engineer. I've hads someone else designing and building my hardware and I've got my head around the conceptual stuff and done some flowcharting before my developer does the code. But it occurs to me that with a chip like the 8031, you could have your electrical switches close a circuit and, when connected to an input on the chip, cause it to go high ("set") which would either generate an interrupt and store that high state for later sending as MIDI or be used straight away to send as MIDI. I have a feeling that with the 8031, four inputs are dedicated to generating interrupts. So when you hit a switch, it generates a interrupt, you go into an interrupt handling routine which stores the high state somewhere. After the interrupt has been handled, you could then immediately look for the stored 'flag' and send the appropriate MIDI messages. The 8031 is good because it has a reasonable amount of onboard memory, several inputs and outputs and a UART serial I/O with controller (perfect for MIDI transmission. Of course, you'd need an EPROM connected to it, so that when you power up it'll load the program. Other chips no doubt have more inputs and outputs; you might have to look at the few to gauge their suitability. Or possibly you could make each switch put out a different voltage and sample that through an A/D, pass the result to a processor and spit out MIDI. It'd be a bit like the CV synths of old. OTOH, you might be able to easily rig up something with a CV-to-MIDI interface! (Why didn't I think of that at the start of this message?) (BTW, CV means control voltage, where the V is proportional to the note number.) Hope this helps (maybe not!) Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 01:05:20 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Michael K. Mendenhall" Subject: Ensoniq Mirage Hey, Looking for PC Mirage software for editing sample and storing and upload/download of samples? Also would like to trade sounds. Any Mirage types out there? MickeyFunn@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 23:20:53 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ted Johnson Subject: Re: keyboard search At 6:27 PM 3/16/95, Marty M. Marion wrote: >Help! I am a computer composer in San Diego. I would like a weighted >keyboard I can use with my Roland SC-7. I need something as small as >possible so it fits on my desk. Any ideas? >Please E-mail me. Thanks- M23rd Actually, please post replies to the group (or at least CC them here) as I am also curious to here suggestions. --=[ M a c B r u i n ]=-- MacBruin@ucla.com * aka Ted Johnson * Los Angeles, California Graphic Design * Interactive Multimedia * Video Production * Music Composition ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:50:36 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: dat's the way u-huh u-huh Hi Paul, the DA30 mk 1 was a super machine; great transport, great sound. But the meters are not great. It takes (by my estimation) at least 8 consecutive bytes of audio with all 16 bits full to register an OVER (digital overload). Now I know someon will flame me about this, saying that such a short time of overload wouldn't be audible. I've mentioned this before. If you take you DAT and transfer it into a digital processor (e.g. Sound Tools with DSP add-ons) the overs may very well be audible after EQ or dynamics changes. Also it might be a problem with CD manufacture if your master DAT has OVERs. Some machines used in mastering CDs will regard them as errors and spit out BLER or ER32 messages and refuse to print your CDs. Not a great situation. Other than this, I really like the sound. Unfortunately outboard meters (like the Dorrough AES/EBU one) clock in at ~US$800 and higher. If you're not using it for mastering and not really pushing the levels, you'll like it. I suggest that the DA30 II is nice too. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:36:47 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Davvid Brooks Subject: BROOKZSONG RECORDING COMPANY Comments: To: MATTOX@aol.com, rickk@emu.com, TOOT108@aol.com, CHGOSON@aol.com BROOKZSONG RECORDING CO. HEARD IT! PROJECT STUDIOS est. 1995 5100 Ellis Avenue Chicago Il. 60615 DAVID BROOKS RN.BSN OWNER PHONE 1-312-288-5163 Internet; DAVIDB10@AOL.COM PAGER 1-312-824-8720 EIN 36-4005847 AN INDEPENDENT MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS OF COOK CO. SPECIALIZING IN RECORDING MUSIC, commercial JINGLES FOR RADIO AND TELEVISION, LOCATION RECORDING AVAILABLE. Professional musician/song writer 15 years. Guitar Player and Keyboard/Drum programming. DAVID BROOKS Arranged, and performed the original songs on the available 10 minute DEMO cassette. These songs were written and produced by myself. with Master Tracks Pro, E-MU, Roland/Yamaha, ALESIS and Fender Guitars. As heard on the "DONNA HODGE SHOW!" "THE VERNON RHINEHART SHOW" "I WAS ONLY PLAYIN'!" Produced By David Brooks c1995 Brookzsong Recording Co. 5100 Ellis Avenue Chicago Il. 60615 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:40:52 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Davvid Brooks Subject: Re: dat's the way u-huh u-huh unless you have a PRESSING need check out the SONY A-7 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:41:32 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "L Mccoy (GD 1999)" Subject: Sitting.. Comments: To: emusic-list Paul Edson's point is a very good one; one that I've pondered for a while. The recording I have just wouldn't be the same if Lucier hadn't stuttered at the moments he did. The process of filtering out speech is quite beautiful! I am still struck by how the stuttered words are the last "to go." Meaning, they are the last residue of "speechified" meaning. Of course, the room IS the acoustic space. But the articulation OF that space is so wonderfully personal. Has anyone translated the text into another language? What if Barry White performed the piece? Or Joe Franklin? Or the Martian from the Bugs Bunny cartoons? .... Yes, even from the mouths of aliens... Scott McCoy mcco5@minerva.cis.yale.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:55:52 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Bunn Subject: Re: dat's the way u-huh u-huh In-Reply-To: <950316214843_51969781@aol.com> With regards to the sticky M1-perhaps not relevant,but I have a T2 with living organisms crawling around inside.Very small white spider-like creatures on the underside of the glass plate which covers the L.C.D. They`re not really a problem as yet,hopefully they won`t short any tracks on some particular P.C.B. or anything,and they can be quite entertaining on a late night session,(when I`m going slightly mad from running out of ideas I guess). Also,does anyone know how to convert Apple-mac Cubase files into P.C. form.I believe it`s quite a simple process,but no-one in sunny Leeds,England does that kind of thing-very reserved are we English. P.Bunn-id2h1644@lmu.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:27:01 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: BROOKZSONG RECORDING COMPANY In-Reply-To: <950317063645_52278089@aol.com> from "Davvid Brooks" at Mar 17, 95 06:36:47 am > DAVID BROOKS > Arranged, and performed the original > songs on the available 10 minute DEMO cassette. > These songs were written and produced by myself. > with Master Tracks Pro, E-MU, Roland/Yamaha, ALESIS and Fender Guitars. > > As heard on the > "DONNA HODGE SHOW!" > "THE VERNON RHINEHART SHOW" > "I WAS ONLY PLAYIN'!" > Produced By David Brooks c1995 Brookzsong Recording Co. > 5100 Ellis Avenue > Chicago Il. 60615 > David, as it stands this posting is not quite appropriate for EMUSIC-L, because there's no detail on what you did for the demo. Now, a posting telling us your concept for the demo, what decisions you made as to what to include and what to leave off, and how costs to you worked out, etc., would be more informative and useful to the EMUSIC-L readership. This posting would be fine as is for SYNTH-L, of course. I want to encourage readers of the list to tell us about their recordings, but to also try to make the posting informative as to the creative decisions made and why. I hope to post something like this about my now-complete album _Shatterday_ in the near future. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:52:17 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Carnes Subject: Re: Close encounters -- sol fa In-Reply-To: <199503160600.BAA67896@atlanta.american.edu> ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 8 X-Sun-Content-Length: 507 Nick, The "pulling" tendency you asked about refers to the tendencies of pitches from "unequal" temperament (see how nicely we tie two different threads together...). In a true tuning, a B-flat is a lower pitch than an A-sharp. This gives it a tendency to resolve downwards, since it's "pulling" in that direction. By the same token, a true A-sharp tends to pull upwards towards a B. These effects help give direction towards a melody and were some of what we lost when we went to equal-temperament. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:19:54 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jon Crystal Subject: CD to Disk on a Mac? Comments: To: emusic-l@AMERICAN.EDU I seem to remember some discussion a while back about transfering data from a CDROM to a Mac in the digital domain. There is a commercial program - "Direct to Disk" ? - which does this, but I someone had mentioned capabilities within Quicktime 2.0 to do the same without any additional software. If this is correct, would anyone care to summarize the process? Jon Crystal University of Vermont 357 Waterman Burlington, VT 05405 email: jcrystal@moose.uvm.edu phone: 802 656-1163 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:51:03 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: atomic city Subject: Re: Question from the fringe ... In-Reply-To: <199503161459.JAA23593@clark.net> from "Joe McMahon" at Mar 16, 95 09:59:46 am Joe McMahon writes-- > >> PS : Any Trent Reznor fans out there ??? ( ie Nine Inch Nails ) >> >Quite a number. Melay bought his Xpander from Trent, I believe. well, from the store where Trent worked, yeah. But this was long before NIN came along; he and I chatted onthe phone a couple of times. Nice guy. mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * p. o. box 81175 * pittsburgh, pa 15217-0675 usa atomic@netcom.com * atomic-city@netcom.com * http://pd.net/atomic-city --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "how come every time i try to do eno i wind up with donald fagen?" (ronin) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:41:32 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: everett bill Subject: Sonneck_Society_Conference Comments: To: 78-L@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu, AHC-L@DGOGWDG1.BITNET, ALLMUSIC@UFRJ.BITNET, ALLMUSIC@auvm.BITNET, AMERSTDY@MIAMIU.BITNET, ASTR-L@UIUCVMD.BITNET, Accordion@marie.stat.uga.edu, BGRASS-L@UKCC.uky.edu, BLUES-L@BROWNVM.brown.edu, BRASS@geomag.gly.fsu.edu, CLASSM-L@BROWNVM.brown.edu, CUNYMUS@CUNYVMS1.cc.cuny.edu, DANCE-L@HEARN.BITNET, DLDG-L@IUBVM.BITNET, EARLYM-L@AHEARN.BITNET, EMUSIC-D@AUVM.BITNET, EMUSIC-L@AUVM.BITNET, ETHMUS-L@UMDD.BITNET, FILMUS-L@IUBVM.BITNET, FOLKTALK@WMVM1..cc.wm.edu, Folk_Music@nysernet.org, GEACMUS@RUTVM1.BITNET, Grunge-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, H-AMSTDY@UICVM.BITNET, HN-ASK-L@UKANVM.BITNET, HN-ORG-L@UKANVM.BITNET, IEAHCNET@UICVM.BITNET, IRTRAD-L@IRLEARN.BITNET, KLARINET@VCCSCENT.BITNET, Lute@sunapee.dartmouth.edu, MLA-L@IUBVM.BITNET, MUSIC-ED@UMINN1.BITNET, NOTMUS-L@UBVM.BITNET, OPERA-L@BRFAPESP.BITNET, PIPORG-L@ALBANY.BITNET, Pipes@sunapee.dartmouth.edu, RMUSIC-L@GITVM1.BITNET, ROCK@TRITU.BITNET, SEMLA-L@UGA.BITNET, SERAVES@AUVM.BITNET, SOCHIST@VM.USC.EDU, SYNTH-L@AUVM.BITNET, SavoyNet@CESCC.Bridgewater.edu, TML-L@IUBVM.BITNET, UPNEWS@vm.MARIST.edu, VW5EARN@AWIWUW11.BITNET, WIML-L@IUBVM.BITNET, acmr-l@uhccvm.bitnet, ballroom@athena.mit.edu, barbershop@bigd.cray.com, choralist@lists.colorado.edu, dcraves@auvm.bitnet, earam-l@kentvm.bitnet, jazz-l@templevm.bitnet, jpop@ferkel.uscb.edu, ks32@cygnus.com, music-@prg.oxford.research.ac.uk, mutex@stolaf.edu, orchestralist@hubcap.clemson.edu, rocklist@kentvm.kent.edu, tuba-l@vtvm2.bitnet, uk-dance@orbital.demon.co.uk SONNECK SOCIETY FOR AMERICAN MUSIC TO MEET APRIL 5-9 IN MADISON, WI The Sonneck Society for American Music will hold its 21st Annual Conference on April 5-9, 1995, in Madison, WI, hosted by the School of Music of the University of Wisconsin. Among the special events scheduled as part of the conference are the following: Wednesday, April 5--Concert: Music of William Grant Still, UW School of Music Opera Workshop Thursday, April 6--Research on Gender and American Music Interest Group: Session with literary critic Susan Friedman; Workshop: "Higher Ground--Exploring Gospel Music" with Jonathan Overby; Concert: Wisconsin Brass Quintet; Interest Group and Paper Sessions Friday, April 7--Recital: Chamber Music of William Grant Still by the Sierra Winds (University of Nevada--Las Vegas); American Popular Music Interest Group: Session with Martha Bayles, author of _Hole in Our Soul_; Gala screening of Charlie Chaplin's classic film _The Circus_, with its original score conducted by Sonneck Society President Gillian B. Anderson; Interest Group and Paper Sessions Saturday, April 8--Plenary Session with film music scholars Claudia Gorbman and Philip Tagg and film composer David Raskin; Workshop on Native American Music and Dance; Paper Sessions Sunday, April 9--Interest Group and Paper Sessions Many diverse topics are included on the program, including discussions of Janis Joplin, Duke Ellington, Jay Hawkins, Grunge, Musical Theater, Ruth Crawford Seeger, film music, and William Grant Still. For more information on this exciting conference, please contact Susan C. Cook, Local Arrangements Chair, at 608-263-4926 (phone), 608-262-8876 (fax), sccook@facstaff.wisc.edu (e-mail) or University of Wisconsin, Department of Music, 3561 Humanitites Building, 455 North Park Street, Madison, WI 53706. One day registration is available. ----William Everett Chair, Public Relations Committee Sonneck Society for American Music zzever@acc.wuacc.edu #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ William ("Bill") Everett Department of Music Washburn University Topeka, Kansas 66621 (913) 231-1010, ext. 1519 e-mail: zzever@acc.wuacc.edu @#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:07:19 U Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Chris Will Subject: Re: CD to Disk on a Mac? Reply to: RE>CD to Disk on a Mac? The version of Movie Player that comes with Quicktime 2 will let you open a cd track. You can then edit it by time marks, and then save it in several available formats... -------------------------------------- Date: 3/17/95 9:57 AM To: Chris Will From: Electronic Music Discussion Li I seem to remember some discussion a while back about transfering data from a CDROM to a Mac in the digital domain. There is a commercial program - "Direct to Disk" ? - which does this, but I someone had mentioned capabilities within Quicktime 2.0 to do the same without any additional software. If this is correct, would anyone care to summarize the process? Jon Crystal University of Vermont 357 Waterman Burlington, VT 05405 email: jcrystal@moose.uvm.edu phone: 802 656-1163 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:56:58 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jeff Adkins Subject: Re: BROOKZSONG RECORDING COMPANY >David, as it stands this posting is not quite appropriate for EMUSIC-L, because >there's no detail on what you did for the demo. Now, a posting telling us >your concept for the demo, what decisions you made as to what to include and >what to leave off, and how costs to you worked out, etc., would be more >informative and useful to the EMUSIC-L readership. > >This posting would be fine as is for SYNTH-L, of course. I want to encourage >readers of the list to tell us about their recordings, but to also try to make >the posting informative as to the creative decisions made and why. I hope to >post something like this about my now-complete album _Shatterday_ in the >near future. > > --- Joe M. I for one am very interested in the hows and whys of creative decisions as well as business/financial decisions. I've noticed some of the members of this list are active in this sense; it would be nice to know some of the experiences of others since I would like to explore various outlets for my music . . . .(?) -- Jeff Jeff Adkins ================ jadkins@infi.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:06:28 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Neal Burgess Subject: Skinny Puppy Comments: To: EMUSIC-L%auvm.bitnet@uvvm.uvic.ca Even though this seems to be a mainly hardware oriented conference, I thought someone could answer this question. Does anyone know when Skinny Puppy is going to come out with a new studio album? I haven't heard a thing from anywhere about what they're doing now and I really need to know. Any knowledge would be great. Thanks. -nburgess@husky.schdist81.bc.ca "............................." -King Locust ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 14:06:42 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Question from the fringe ... In-Reply-To: <199503161459.JAA23593@clark.net> from "Joe McMahon" at Mar 16, 95 09:59:46 am > > PS : Any Trent Reznor fans out there ??? ( ie Nine Inch Nails ) A NIN fan, yes, a Trent fan, probably not :) > Quite a number. Melay bought his Xpander from Trent, I believe. Hm... I thought Mike got his Xpander long before 'Downward Spiral' which still used an Xpander. (along with a demo verision of the OB-Mx) -- Arne F. Claassen On the Web: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The usual issues of societally-induced female technophobia are always raised [in discussions about the lack of female emusicians], but I have to admit that the possibility of trapping to extinction never came up" (mike metlay) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 09:34:03 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Sitting.. HI Scott, > What if Barry White performed the piece? If Isaac Hayes had performeds it, we'd be there for hours listening to increasingly roomified (!) versions of some long lerv rap! (Ever heard his version of By the Timne I Get To Phoenix? Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:27:52 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Pete Schoenhoff Subject: Re: dat's the way u-huh u-huh In-Reply-To: <950316214843_51969781@aol.com>; from "Paul Taylor" at Mar 16, 95 9:48 pm These are the graceful words of Paul Taylor: ->One more thing, I've got an M1 that's suffering from sticking black keys. -> This board has not been subjected to road work or any harsh conditions. Any ->M1 owners with similar problems? Any ideas on the cause? Any ideas on how to ->repair? I am not an M1 owner right now, but I have used a couple of them in the past. I also know that the same problem you describe was experienced by my electronic music professor at VCU... His name is Dr. Loran Carrier. You are not alone in the problem, at least. I believe he sent it back to Korg for repairs. -- -Pete Schoenhoff pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:31:46 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Pete Schoenhoff Subject: Re: MR.BUNN ARRIVES In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Bunn" at Mar 16, 95 5:03 pm These are the graceful words of Paul Bunn: -> Good-day all, -> Just recieved my university account and am on the board. ->Would appreciate a brief history from the year dot onwards. First, we did January, then February, and we're about halfway through with March now. -- -Pete Schoenhoff pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 09:31:21 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: dat's the way u-huh u-huh HI DAT buyers, today, David Brooks said... > unless you have a PRESSING need check out the SONY A-7 WARNING! WARNING! The A7 in its early dys had serious problems with its tensioning arms. I don't know if this has been fixed, but this machine has a seriously bad rep around here. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:19:08 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ted Johnson Subject: Re: CD to Disk on a Mac? At 11:19 AM 3/17/95, Jon Crystal wrote: >I seem to remember some discussion a while back about transfering data from >a CDROM to a Mac in the digital domain. There is a commercial program - >"Direct to Disk" ? - which does this, but I someone had mentioned >capabilities within Quicktime 2.0 to do the same without any additional >software. If this is correct, would anyone care to summarize the process? Well, if you have a CD-Rom internal drive (not sure about external) digital recording from a CD to a sound file (AIFF, whatever) is built in to the operating system. All you have to do is put your sound CD in, and in your sound control panel select "Sound Input" and set it to CD.. Then you play the CD with CD Remote or some other CD playing app and also load up your sound recording program, and it will record it digitally. Its real simple, and sounds great. --=[ M a c B r u i n ]=-- MacBruin@ucla.com * aka Ted Johnson * Los Angeles, California Graphic Design * Interactive Multimedia * Video Production * Music Composition ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:16:38 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "William R. Shannon" Subject: HyperMIDI anyone? Does anyone have information on the HyperCard extension ? Want it, but the company seems to have disappeared, at least on the commercial market. Thanks Bill Shannon wk02418@worldlink.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 08:25:35 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jamil Mattar Valente Subject: CD to Disk on a IBM PC? About the letters of Mac Bruin and Jon Crystal: >I seem to remember some discussion a while back about transfering data from >a CDROM to a Mac in the digital domain. There is a commercial program - >"Direct to Disk" ? - which does this, but I someone had mentioned >capabilities within Quicktime 2.0 to do the same without any additional >software. If this is correct, would anyone care to summarize the process? Can I do this on a IBM PC? How? Wich software and hardware should I use? Thanks for help. Jamil Mattar Valente Florianopolis - Brazil JAMIL@HU-GW.HU.UFSC.BR ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 12:55:39 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Sjoerd Bijleveld Subject: Re: HyperMidi anyone? Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU >Does anyone have information on the HyperCard extension ? Want it, >but the company seems to have disappeared, at least on the commercial market. >Thanks >Bill Shannon wk02418@worldlink.com Bill, After some netsurfing I discovered a gopher site that still has HyperMidi version 1.0. This is the address (for a www browser like Netscape): gopher://gopher.archive.merit.edu:7055/11/mac/sound There is/was a commercial version 2.0. Maybe you're right about the company going out of business, but anyway the address is: Earlevel Engineering 21213-B Hawthorne Blvd., Ste 5305 Torrance, CA 90509-2881 phone: (213) 316-2939 wg Sjoerd Bijleveld e-mail: s.w.bijleveld@bk.tudelft.nl ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 09:49:18 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Taylor Subject: Re: Mac to PC Conversion First Off, Thank's to everyone who responded to my questions re: DA-30 mkII and Sticky M1 Keys. PBUNN Wrote: >Also,does anyone know how to convert Apple-mac Cubase files into P.C.form. >I believe it`s quite a simple process,but no-one in sunny >Leeds,England does that kind of thing-very reserved are we English. In regards to Sound file conversion from Mac to Wav. I've been told " Goldwave " is a popular tool for performing this task . I have no first hand experience however, there is more detailed info on the internet in the newsgroup entitled ' Alt.Binaries.Sounds.Utilities ' Thank's again to all. PT ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 14:36:46 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Close encounters -- sol fa > The "pulling" tendency you asked about refers to the tendencies >of pitches from "unequal" temperament (see how nicely we tie two >different threads together...). Ah-ha. I can see this is not going to be trivial project... Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com "The first sound to send a whole room to sleep..." "No, I think Yanni did it first." -- The New Adventures of Superman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 14:35:35 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Rothwell to the MAX >No, but I almost did. A friend here has one that is very nice; it's >(essentially) portable, and has two good MIDI-usable serial ports, >which would make it a good second/live MIDI machine OK, sounds like a Colo[u]r Classic would do it, but gets *lots* of RAM for it. MAX will take 3 or 4MB by itself, not counting OMS+Patches, Galaxy and the other bits and pieces that you'll have there as well. My MAX engine has 8MB, which is just about OK when I'm running everything else as well, but it's getting a little tight. >Well, it was doing the best it could, and it responded well to being >re-initialized, It did not: it did not respond at all to being reinitialised until I pulled all the cables out the back... >I just ate my stir-fried >greens and contemplated a life with no ADAT.... Greens. No ADAT. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com "The first sound to send a whole room to sleep..." "No, I think Yanni did it first." -- The New Adventures of Superman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:19:23 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "ROBERTSON, BRUCE AND" Subject: Re: Recording Board In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of THU 16 MAR 1995 10:05:44 EST >Let me suggest the Casio 360 mega-boom 8-track digital fun factory ver >It's great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ight make ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 16:23:02 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "James G. Lamar" Subject: Re: DA-30 I couldn't agree more - the DA-30 is solid and reliable. I've had tapes that would not play in any other machine do just fine in the Tascam. The only problem with it for me at first was that it's sometimes clumsy to add and edit a series of ID #s. The problem mentiond about metering is true. It's just a good policy not to slam the DA-30 like it's a Aphex twin or something. Also, the lack of a jog wheel is lamentable, but then again I hear the newer models have one...how cool! But th best thing about the older model was that it only cost $900. If you need a jog wheel and reliability, I would also recommend the Panasonic 3700. It's got a cool feature which lets you watch how many errors per second it's interpolating. Also, IDs and such are easier to handle, but the transport can sometimes flake out (after many 1000s of hours). ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:11:01 GMT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Thomas Jerome Newton Organization: Klaustrophonia Subject: Sample Users Database Hi! Does anyone out there know if there's anywhere in the 'net where you can find out the history of samples used by certain groups? Due to the massive use of samplers in the industry it seems increasingly likely that a sound used on an album may have originated from somewhere other than the artist that has their name on the cover. I would, as a sample freak, be very interested in a database that would allow you to trace the origin of samples where they have been taken from another recording. Its true that some bands outwardly claim to have used certain samples, but I find that most of the time this very much the exception, and not really useful to the dedicated noisaholic. -- __ ____ ________________________________________________________/ _\(___ \_______ // / / / / ( / \ \ / - thomasjeromenewton - // / / / / \L __ \_) / // / KLAUSTROPHONIA //.\/\/. \-'\ / newty@newty.demon.co.uk // / / / / / \_/| \__/ _/ / // / / / / / ( |_ / / zu ----------------------------------------------------------\ __ /-------- \___/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 22:46:39 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Davvid Brooks Subject: BROOKZSONG SORRY FOR THE MISSUNDERSTANDING. I WAS TRYING TO GET AND GIVE INFO ON PROJECT STUDIOS. WILL BE MORE CAREFUL IN THE FUTURE DAVE ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 23:08:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Dan R. Waters" Subject: Re: CD to Disk on a IBM PC? There is an "AWE32" support site called [ftp.earthlink.net]. They have a couple of DOS based direct to disk samplers. The convert the CD information to a 44.1Khz WAV file. If you D/L them and can firgure out how to use them, let me know. I had some problems. E-Mail me back at [DanWaters@aol.com]. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 23:22:47 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: BROOKZSONG In-Reply-To: <950318224637_53839825@aol.com> from "Davvid Brooks" at Mar 18, 95 10:46:39 pm Please let me reiterate: there's nothing wrong with telling us, but making a tutorial out of it is far more valuable (and of course, such things help show everyone you know what you're doing -- positive press is always useful) . So, how big are you? Did it take a long time to get set up? Did you have difficulties in promoting youself (other than self-important listowners :) ? Is it possible to do this and a full-time other job at the same time? This is all information that would be very valuable to me and I'm sure to others. It also helps stake out a claim in the lists's information space - people ask me about networking and WWW, Metlay about synths, McCoy and Simon about composing -- you get the idea (yes, I'm neglecting people right and left. Sorry). If you wanted, you could be the studio god (or one of 'em, anyway). --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:16:48 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Tylene D. Macklin" Subject: Re: BROOKZSONG DAVE, Hello, I am pretty much a novice when it comes to electronics, etc. could you explain what you were referring to? :) Thanks. Tylene ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 09:08:38 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Black Subject: middle c Comments: cc: MUSIC-RESEARCH@comlab.ox.ac.uk Hi. My name is Michael Black. I have a small MIDI/Computer music consulting business in the Atlanta area. One of my clients is compiling information about arranging for the orchestra. The principle focus, but not the only focus, of this book deals with writing for the orchestra on MIDI systems. I have been able to help him wih many questions, but there is one I am unable to find an answer for. In the MIDI spec it clearly states that note 60 is middle c. My question is: What note is that (i.e. C2,C3,C4)? Most of the info I have found regards note 60 (Middle C) as C3, but I have founs sources that call it C4 and a few that call it C2. HELP. I have a theory that there is no real answer to this question. Please email me directly as well as posting to the group. Thank You. Michael Black MBProds@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 11:04:48 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: middle c In-Reply-To: <950319090837_54047551@aol.com> from "Michael Black" at Mar 19, 95 09:08:38 am > In the MIDI spec it clearly states that note 60 is middle c. My question is: > What note is that (i.e. C2,C3,C4)? Well, in MIDI land, it's the same as the C above A440 (the same as on a piano). > Most of the info I have found regards note 60 (Middle C) as C3, but I have > founs sources that call it C4 and a few that call it C2. HELP. > I have a theory that there is no real answer to this question. Please email > me directly as well as posting to the group. > I believe you are correct, unfortunately. There are, it seems, a number of different note-naming schemes. Perhaps the Harvard Dictionary of Music could give you an answer as to the most-commonly used one, and your author could standardize on that. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 14:39:00 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Pete Schoenhoff Subject: Re: middle c In-Reply-To: <950319090837_54047551@aol.com>; from "Michael Black" at Mar 19, 95 9:08 am These are the graceful words of Michael Black: ->In the MIDI spec it clearly states that note 60 is middle c. My question is: ->What note is that (i.e. C2,C3,C4)? ->Most of the info I have found regards note 60 (Middle C) as C3, but I have ->founs sources that call it C4 and a few that call it C2. HELP. Most software I have seen incorrectly identifies the octave names. Technically, and properly, they should be named as follows: MIDI Description written spoken ---- --------------------- ----- ------- 108 Highest c on piano: c5 "see five" 96 c4 "see four" 84 c3 "see three" 72 c2 "see two" 60 Middle c (above A440): c1 "see one" 48 c below A440: c "small see" 36 C "great see" 24 lowest c on piano: CC "contra see" -Pete Schoenhoff pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:00:14 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Subject: Re: Recording Board In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:19:23 EST from What are you talking about/ What does it do? How much does it cost? EXTRA. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 17:30:49 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Ed Berlett, Music" Subject: M1 sticky keys Yes I have had a lot of problems with sticky keys on the M1. I tried taking the keyboard apart but the mechanism is just too hard to get to. The local shop said it could be fixed for about $75. I don't know how long the repair can be expected to last. Plus the down time waiting for the repair. My workaround (although I'm sure it is not factory approved) is to spray contact cleaner around the black keys. It seems to lubricate the area and can correct the problem for a couple of days or a couple of months. It seems to be worse during humid summer months. I'd be interested in hearing what others have done. Now that I see others have the same problem I'm sure this is a design flaw that must have a better factory fix. All this time I just thought I had a lemon. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:41:20 CET Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jacek Latanowicz Subject: Re: M1 sticky keys Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 19 Mar 1995 17:30:49 -0500 from On Sun, 19 Mar 1995 17:30:49 -0500 Ed Berlett, Music said: >Yes I have had a lot of problems with sticky keys on the M1. I tried taking >the keyboard apart but the mechanism is just too hard to get to. The local >shop said it could be fixed for about $75. I don't know how long the repair >can be expected to last. Plus the down time waiting for the repair. > >My workaround (although I'm sure it is not factory approved) is to spray >contact cleaner around the black keys. It seems to lubricate the area and can >correct the problem for a couple of days or a couple of months. It seems to be >worse during humid summer months. > >I'd be interested in hearing what others have done. Now that I see others have >the same problem I'm sure this is a design flaw that must have a better factory >fix. All this time I just thought I had a lemon. Hi, I had a similair problem with my M1 when after some party someone poured cola or something sticky. There is a long metal part under keys which has a soft spongy tissue. When You press the key hardly it stops the key, I mean it is to ammortisize the strokes. When it gets sticky, keys just glue to the sponge and don't come back. I used an wet very wet sponge to clean it and somehow minimized the effect of 'sticky keys'. Hope this helps, Jacek L. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacek Latanowicz emails : jack@vm.amu.edu.pl Ul.Porzeczkowa 27 jlat@phys.amu.edu.pl 61-306 Poznan, Poland jlat@uci1.ae.poz.edu.pl Tel/Fax (+48-61) 798202 jlat@plearn.edu.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Sleeps with the fishes' - Pieter Nooten and Michael Brook probably best psychodelic music of the 80's... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:49:33 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jerry Almog Tel 5876 Subject: ENSONIC Internet Address My son, Yoav, Has a new TS-10 Synthesizer, and wants to ask some questions, professionals in ENSONIC, or members of the interest group, that are famillar with TS-10. Thanks in advance. Jerry Almog, Haifa, Israel ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:19:18 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: ENSONIC Internet Address In-Reply-To: from "Jerry Almog Tel 5876" at Mar 20, 95 12:49:33 pm > > My son, Yoav, Has a new TS-10 Synthesizer, and wants to > ask some questions, professionals in ENSONIC, or members > of the interest group, that are famillar with TS-10. > Ask away - it's similar to the VFX, which is my instrument of choice. Also, The Transoniq Hacker, a magazine for Ensoniq owners, has a good connection to the folks at Ensoniq - their address is hacker@transoniq.com. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:19:37 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "L Mccoy (GD 1999)" Subject: "c" nomenclature Comments: To: emusic-list In response to Michael Black's question: There are many different methods of calling a middle "c" by some other name. Although I prefer the numerical method, there is an Acousticological (there may be too many syllables here) Society who, in 1976 or thereabouts gave the grand pronouncement that middle C is C4. It replaces the old methods of altering the letter by lower and upper case, and is simply more effective. Nevertheless, I always have to footnote the way I call my pitches, be they strikes or balls. I don't think this helps, Michael. But at least, if you're like me at all, you might wonder what an Acousticological Society does. I have these visions of people in tweed, at a bar sipping Murphy's Irish Stout, banging tuning forks on the ashtrays. Then, there is that breath-taking argument over whether an orchestra should tune to A-440 or 444 or 438, etc. Depending on whether or not an instrumental ensemble is devoted to getting original sounds by prefering a sackbut to a trombone. I don't know. And I also don't know what has possessed me to begin indenting my paragraphs. Best, Scott McCoy mcco5@minerva.cis.yale.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:30:05 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mark G Simon Subject: Re: middle c In-Reply-To: <199503191604.LAA05233@clark.net> > > > I believe you are correct, unfortunately. There are, it seems, a number of > different note-naming schemes. Perhaps the Harvard Dictionary of Music > could give you an answer as to the most-commonly used one, and your author > could standardize on that. I have the Harvard Dictionary in front of me. Here's what it says in the entry under "Pitch names": Several competing schemes for the designation of specific octaves are in use. The one employed in this dictionary and widely used elsewhere is the first of the three illustrated here, in which middle C (the C occurring roughly in the middle of the piano keyboard) is designated c'. In all three, the form of the name changes with each C, proceeding upward. Thus, the B above middle c in the first scheme is b', and the B below middle C is b. 1. C1 C c c' c'' c''' c'''' 2. CCC CC C c c' c'' c''' 3. C2 C1 C c c1 c2 c3 ^ | Middle C In the previous chart the numbers accompanying capital letters are written subscript, and the numbers accompanying small letters are superscript. System no. 1 is the one I learned and have always used, although now I've come to prefer the system used in Performer (and no doubt in other sequencers) where the lowest octave is C0, and the octaves above that are C1, C2 etc. Also, it should be noted that A440 refers to the a' (in system no.1), that is, the A *above* middle c, not the one below middle c if I've read some of the messages in this thread correctly. It is the A on the second space of the treble clef, the one the oboe plays to tune the orchestra (just trying to remove any last possibility for confusion here). Mark Simon mgs2@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:53:25 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Phillip Djwa Subject: Middle C In most synths, C3 is middle C , except for Yamaha which names C4 as middle C. Both define middle C as midi note number 60 and the C above A440. Why the differerence who knows, but that is mostly the de facto MIDI standard as far as I know. There doesn't seem to be much official agreement however. Phillip ******************************************************* "Past the rocky road of association,through the gulf of misunderstanding, and into the sea of confusion." Phillip Djwa (djwap@rpi.edu) http://www.rpi.edu/~djwap ***************(((((((( 0 ))))))))))******************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:04:36 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: middle c In-Reply-To: from "Mark G Simon" at Mar 20, 95 09:30:05 am > Also, it should be noted that A440 refers to the a' (in system no.1), > that is, the A *above* middle c, not the one below middle c if I've read > some of the messages in this thread correctly. It is the A on the second > space of the treble clef, the one the oboe plays to tune the orchestra > (just trying to remove any last possibility for confusion here). > Yep. You're right, and I misspoke. I should be able to remember that by now... --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:01:46 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Bunn Subject: Re: Sample Users Database In-Reply-To: <9503181911.AA0006a@newty.demon.co.uk> On Sat, 18 Mar 1995, Thomas Jerome Newton wrote: > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:11:01 GMT > From: Thomas Jerome Newton > Does anyone out there know if there's anywhere in the 'net where you can find > out the history of samples used by certain groups? > > Its true that some bands outwardly claim to have used certain samples, but I > find that most of the time this very much the exception, and not really useful > to the dedicated noisaholic. Hello Thomas, I`m afraid I don`t know of any database-could be a dangerous thing to have hanging around though.I think I`d be tempted into laziness and would take my samples from their instead of taking the time to route out my own. I used to be quite into the PRODIGY style of sampling,taking stuff from old ELECTRO albums,or at least from the places those original artists on the electro albums took them from.But I`ve got quite into Frank Zappa these days-bit more mad,actually doing your own live samples,bit like some kind of radio play-still nick my break-beats from record though,and a few nice jazz bits and pieces.Haven`t sampled any scratchers from record,always find it too recognisable-get a friend into the studio instead. Anyway,I`m babbling,got to go home and eat chilli, P.Bunn-id2h1644@lmu.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:19:25 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Bunn Subject: Re: M1 sticky keys In-Reply-To: <199503200911.EAA81382@atlanta.american.edu> On Mon, 20 Mar 1995, Jacek Latanowicz wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:41:20 CET > From: Jacek Latanowicz > Subject: Re: M1 sticky keys > >"......it is to ammortisize the strokes. > When it gets sticky, keys just glue to the sponge and don't come > back. I used an wet very wet sponge to clean it and somehow minimized > the effect of 'sticky keys'." `AMMORTISIZE' is a great word. What does it mean?. (A man not afraid to display his ignorance to the whole world). I think I`ve spelt ignorance wrong-not sure-it`s been a long day. The Chilli`s a-calling. P.Bunn-id2h1644@lmu.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:50:19 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andrew Sharpe Subject: Re: Middle C On Mar 20, 10:53am, djwap@RPI.EDU (Phillip Djwa) wrote: : In most synths, C3 is middle C , except for Yamaha which names C4 as middle : C. Both define middle C as midi note number 60 and the C above A440. Why : the differerence who knows, but that is mostly the de facto MIDI standard : as far as I know. There doesn't seem to be much official agreement however. Hmm, let's see. Roland says that middle C is C4. PowerTracks Pro says it is C5. Based on the following document, I used C5 for middle C in my MIDI monitor program (Wmw): Table 2: Summary of MIDI Note Numbers for Different Octaves (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti - Electronic Musician 2/88) Octave|| Note Numbers # || || C | C# | D | D# | E | F | F# | G | G# | A | A# | B ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 0 || 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 1 || 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 2 || 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 3 || 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | 46 | 47 4 || 48 | 49 | 50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | 56 | 57 | 58 | 59 5 || 60 | 61 | 62 | 63 | 64 | 65 | 66 | 67 | 68 | 69 | 70 | 71 6 || 72 | 73 | 74 | 75 | 76 | 77 | 78 | 79 | 80 | 81 | 82 | 83 7 || 84 | 85 | 86 | 87 | 88 | 89 | 90 | 91 | 92 | 93 | 94 | 95 8 || 96 | 97 | 98 | 99 | 100 | 101 | 102 | 103 | 104 | 105 | 106 | 107 9 || 108 | 109 | 110 | 111 | 112 | 113 | 114 | 115 | 116 | 117 | 118 | 119 10 || 120 | 121 | 122 | 123 | 124 | 125 | 126 | 127 | It appears that MIDI is quite clear; it is the software and hardware that uses it that is unclear... A# ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:58:35 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: ddg@DEVLAC.EMS.COM Subject: Help! In Atlanta .... Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu, analogue@hyperreal.com Hi, folks. I'm in the Atlanta area for the week, and have: a. No instruments. b. No recording gear. c. A computer with no audio support. d. No joy in my life. I need to find something to solve (d), which probably means finding an outlet for (a-c). If you are in the Atlanta area - or even moderately close (got a rental car with unlimited mileage), let me know... I just can't imagine a whole week... [ddg] .............................................................................. Darwin Grosse . (414) 628-3045(h)/359-9800(w) . ddg@devlac.ems.com .............................................................................. o Temporarily assigned to Atlanta/DevLoc - do try calling! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:53:00 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: atomic city Subject: Re: Rothwell to the MAX In-Reply-To: from "Nick Rothwell" at Mar 18, 95 02:35:35 pm Nick Rothwell writes-- > >>No, but I almost did. A friend here has one that is very nice; it's >>(essentially) portable, and has two good MIDI-usable serial ports, >>which would make it a good second/live MIDI machine > >OK, sounds like a Colo[u]r Classic would do it, but gets *lots* of RAM for >it. MAX will take 3 or 4MB by itself, not counting OMS+Patches, Galaxy and >the other bits and pieces that you'll have there as well. My MAX engine has >8MB, which is just about OK when I'm running everything else as well, but >it's getting a little tight. I think the machine can go up to at least 10 Meg, maybe higher with the right hardware addons. I'd like 12 Meg if I can swing it. This may not be too hard to do, as used CCs are becoming available quite inexpensively here. >It did not: it did not respond at all to being reinitialised until I pulled >all the cables out the back... Upon which it spat out the tape very nicely and didn't even eat it. You should be grateful it was feeling that cooperative, considering all the bad things you were thinking at it. >>I just ate my stir-fried >>greens and contemplated a life with no ADAT.... > >Greens. >No ADAT. Didn't I just say that? :) -- mike metlay * atomic city * p. o. box 81175 * pittsburgh, pa 15217-0675 usa atomic@netcom.com * atomic-city@netcom.com * http://pd.net/atomic-city --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "how come every time i try to do eno i wind up with donald fagen?" (ronin) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:58:35 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: atomic city Subject: Re: Question from the fringe ... In-Reply-To: <9503172006.AA08109@ebs330> from "Arne Claassen ISE" at Mar 17, 95 02:06:42 pm Arne Claassen ISE writes-- >> Quite a number. Melay bought his Xpander from Trent, I believe. > >Hm... I thought Mike got his Xpander long before 'Downward Spiral' which still >used an Xpander. (along with a demo verision of the OB-Mx) No no no, silly person. Not TRENT'S Xpander....an Xpander FROM Trent, back when he worked at a music store that I frequented in the mid 1980s. :) -- mike metlay * atomic city * p. o. box 81175 * pittsburgh, pa 15217-0675 usa atomic@netcom.com * atomic-city@netcom.com * http://pd.net/atomic-city --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "how come every time i try to do eno i wind up with donald fagen?" (ronin) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:17:33 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Thomas Neuhaus Subject: Summeracademy on electronic and Computermusic Comments: To: emusic mailing list Hello, e-musicians, attached to this is an announcement about a summeracademy on electronic and computermusic with workshops, lectures and concerts. Please distribute this announcement to all who might be interested. Thanks ---- cut here ---- Summeracademie on electronic and Computermusic ICEM Institute for Computer-Music and Electronic Media Folkwang Hochschule Essen, Germany During the World-Music-Days between June 26th and July 1st 1995 there will be a summeracademy on electronic and computermusic at the ICEM in Essen, Germany. The following topics will be subject of workshops: 1. Prof. Dirk Reith: Digital Soundsysthesis with Csound 2. Ludger Bruemmer: Algorithmic Composition with Stella 3. Thomas Neuhaus: Stochastic Techniques with PPP 4. Hansjoerg Ruediger: Midi Arrangement. These workshops will be supported by practical exercises. Beside these Workshops there will be lectures covering a wide range of topics in the area of electronic- and computermusic. The following persons have been asked to hold lectures: (not all confirmed yet) Tamasz Ungvary, Vienna/Stockholm Elena Ungeheuer, Bonn Gottfried Michael Koenig, The Hague Heinrich Taube, Karlsruhe Claudius Bruese, Cologne There will also be a daily "matinee electronique" with electronic music in the main concert hall of the Folkwang-Hochschule as well as two concerts: One in a more than 100m high "Gasometer" and an open-air concert. Participants will also be able to visit the concerts of the World Music Days after the workshops. The fee for participants is 150 German Marks. Included in this is: 1. One Workshop (2 teaching sessions + practice-time per day) 2. Lunch in the mensa 3. Free Entrance to the matinees electroniques 3. Free Entrance to the Gasometer-concert 4. Free Entrance to the open-air concert. If wanted, the ICEM can take care of accomodation near the Folkwang-Hochschule. Application forms are available from: ICEM Sommerakademie Folkwang Hochschule Klemensborn 39 D-45239 Essen electronic requests may be sent via email to the following adress: ExMachina@folkwang.uni-essen.de Deadlines: Summeracademy: June 1 1995 Accomodation requests: May 15 1995 ----- cut here ----- -- Thomas Neuhaus(neuhaus@folkwang.uni-essen.de) Phone (49)-201-4903-333 Folkwang-Hochschule Essen ICEM Institut fuer Computermusik und elektronische Medien Klemensborn 39, D-49239 Essen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:43:39 CST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: haeckerh@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV Subject: "amortize" definition >>"......it is to ammortisize the strokes. >`AMMORTISIZE' is a great word. >What does it mean?. >(A man not afraid to display his ignorance to the whole world). >I think I`ve spelt ignorance wrong-not sure-it`s been a long day. >The Chilli`s a-calling. >P.Bunn-id2h1644@lmu.ac.uk Don't worry...you spelled ignorance correctly, but amortize only has one "m"! But I don't consider either one of y'all to be ignorant... :-) AMORTIZE: to provide for the gradual extinguishment of (as a mortgage on a house, etc.), usually by contribution to a sinking fund at the time of each periodic interest payment. From Middle English, amortisen, "to deaden", etc. I think it's an apt use of the word in this context. Harry Haecker (haeckerh@nwrc.gov) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:16:45 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Taylor Subject: Mac to PC Conversion ( resend ) I sent this once but it did not go very far, let's try it again. First off, thank's to everyone for all the info on the DA-30 and the M1 stic-k-eys. On ( I forgot the date ) PBUNN Wrote: >Also,does anyone know how to convert Apple-mac Cubase files into P.C.form. >I believe it`s quite a simple process,but no-one in sunny >Leeds,England does that kind of thing-very reserved are we English. In regards to Sound file conversion from Mac to Wav. I've been told " Goldwave " is a popular tool for performing this task . I have no first hand experience however, there is more detailed info on the internet in the newsgroup entitled ' Alt.Binaries.Sounds.Utilities ' Thank's again to all. PT ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:52:16 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Taylor Subject: Business 101 Assuming that some ( if not most ) members of this mailing list work ( regarding music ) in some sort of professional capacity, can anyone offer any information on the business side of things? For example: How and where to market ones services, how much to charge for services, industry standards, overall condition of the market place, current trends, where the industry is headed and where the composer / sound designer fits in. Anything pertaining to the business aspects of project studio musicians would be helpful to many and most likely make for some interesting conversation. Any givers? Recently, I was involved in a project for a digital point-of-sale- advertising scheme ( I said scheme not scam ) I was hired to compose 10 to 15 second sound beds, mix them with a voice over then upload to the end-user. My labor was about 2 hours per slot. I charged $35.00 per slot. Not much money, but it was a real learning experience. How far off the mark was my price? Be gentle. PT ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:17:52 -0800 Reply-To: bc492@scn.org Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: SCN User Subject: MIDIMAC Dearest fellow subscribers, I'm gettin' ready to gear up for my new MIDI studio. At the same time that I would like to keep costs down (naturally!), I would like to purchase a Mac that won't be hindered in its ability to expand for coming technological developments. (Hey, I *know* that, sooner or later, every machine becomes "OB-SO-*LETE*!", but, you know, somethin' good for two or three years should do the trick.) Any suggestions? Tanks! -- ============================================================================ Eric Ian Sluyter snail mail: 715 2nd Ave.N., Seattle, WA 98109 email: bc492@scn.org voice mail: (206)233-7986 ============================================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 23:34:04 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Russ Subject: Re: middle c Comments: To: Michael Black Michael Black writes: >Most of the info I have found regards note 60 (Middle C) as C3, but I have >founs sources that call it C4 and a few that call it C2. HELP. Most MIDI manufacturers seem to define Middle C (MIDI Note Number 60) to be C4, whereas Yamaha define it as C3. I don't know who defines it as C2, but I would be interested in more details if anyone has them... This lack of a standard can be confusing, and some music sequencer programs have special setup preferences which let you control how the program displays notes and the associated note numbers. These are often marked with the options as 'Standard' or 'Yamaha', which suggests that many people think that the C4 = 60 version is the correct one. MIDI has several 'de facto' standards due to interpreting the words of the MIDI spec in several ways: middle C, ANO, Controllers, and more... Regards Martin Russ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Russ Hi-Tech Music Technical Author & MIDI Consultant Reviewer & Columnist for Sound On Sound Magazine (UK) mruss@midi.dungeon.com Macintosh & Synthesizer Programmer ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:40:04 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Randy Budnikas Organization: Biola University Subject: Middle C Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu I did my doctoral thesis on Middle C at Julliard. If anyone is interested, I would be happy to email them a copy of my 87 page thesis. Here is a summary of my findings: Middle C was discovered by primitive cave dwellers in Central Africa about 40,000 years ago. The legend is that the human skull (with no contents, of course), when hit with a medium sized stick, would generate a very pleasant tone. This tone was not too high, and not too low. Word spread around about this pleasant sound (which took a few thousand years, since human language hadn't quite been invented yet), and eventually this pitch was named "Meddasee", which was the ancient word for "skull". Over time, the word "meddasee" has transformed into what we now know as "middle C". I hope this has enlightened you all. Thank you, Randy Budnikas Randy_Budnikas@bubbs.biola.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:28:25 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jonathan George Bakan Subject: Pre-Hispanic sounds Thanks to everyone who replied to my query re: pre-hispanic sounds. I'm still looking for samples/information. However I will be unsubscribing from the EMUSIC-L list for awhile, so if there are any further ideas please email me directly. Thanks again. jb Jonathan Bakan "embrace the electronics" bakan@cs.unca.edu