========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:50:42 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: clive@PELICAN.DBE.CSIRO.AU Subject: Voice stealing Hi all, Another question for the collective brain: are there any general rules for how voice stealing works, or is it synth-specific? An example; using a K-4 + EZVision + Mac, I have a sequence which has long chord washes overlaid with more staccato bits and pieces. When I reach the K4's 16 note polyphonic limit, sometimes the underlying chord will get cut off by one of the overlying shorter notes. I can play the identical sequence several times over, and sometimes this will happen, sometimes it won't. The apparantly random nature of this is obviously a problem, as is the fact that this is the exact opposite of what I would like to happen, ie I could have some fun stealing notes from the staccato sections, but I would want to keep the underlying chords running throughout. I've tried playing with channel numbers etc, but no obvious solutions have presented themselves. Any ideas, anyone? Can I protect the underlying chords? How can I determine which note gets stolen, and which note does the stealing? Etc, etc: you know the score by now. Thanks in anticipation Clive (ObPWarCon: System7.0 is good. System 7.5 is bad. WinXX is bad. DOS 4.0 was an invention of the Prince of Darkness. Word Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Quadrasynth Plus >You can't go wrong with the Quadrasynth! ...unless you actually want a synthesiser. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com "Success can be measured by only one thing: the hairs on the back of your neck." -- Twyla Tharp ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 08:13:28 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: cheers! >Working in a music store, I also got >to play with pieces from Waldorf and a new German firm called QuasiMidi. >They've patterned their digital instruments after analog sounds and have >done fairly well. Regarding Waldorf, the MicroWave is *not* "patterned after analog sounds". If anything, it's a re-implementation of the PPG Wave, which (for those old enough to remember) was the first affordable synthesiser which took the mass market away from the boring old analogue sounds and looked towards the bold, exciting new world of digital synthesis. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com "Success can be measured by only one thing: the hairs on the back of your neck." -- Twyla Tharp ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:58:26 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Rejean V. Drapeau" Subject: Need Midi Quest v5.0 Disk #2 files Comments: To: SYNTH-L@american.edu Hi folks, I formatted my MIDI Quest V5.0 Disk #2 by accident. I hoping someone can give me the files that reside on that disk. Please e-mail me and/or attach them if you have them. I would greatly appreciate it. BTW, I am a registered user of the software so giving me these files is not a problem. Thank You. Reg in NH ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:10:56 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Voice stealing In-Reply-To: from "clive@PELICAN.DBE.CSIRO.AU" at Sep 1, 95 03:50:42 pm > Another question for the collective brain: are there any general rules for > how voice stealing works, or is it synth-specific? It's synth-specific, alas. > (ObPWarCon: System7.0 is good. System 7.5 is bad. WinXX is bad. DOS 4.0 > was an invention of the Prince of Darkness. Word cheap. Bill Gates is rich). > Cheating is bad. Richard Basehart is good. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:07:56 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Matthew W. Tanquary" Subject: Re: Quadrasynth Plus I don't know if that's a problem with the mail-ordered QS+ K.B.s, I have the sound module, which I use a wind controller and Separate K.B. to controll. I'm sure the folks at Alesis are aware of the problem by now and your next QS+ will arrive in good condition. You can also contact Alesis at their E-mail address: ALECORP@Alesis1.usa.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:13:11 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "A. Kar Vivekananthan" Subject: Re: Roland JS-30 and JV 1080 Has anyone worked with either of these pieces? any comments? thanx DKAV@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:09:21 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "A. Kar Vivekananthan" Subject: MOTU MIDI Timepiece Does any one have the Mac software to drive this interface? Or info on how to obtain it. I've crashed my HD. Life is hard, right now. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanx. DKAV@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:32:57 +0900 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Masayuki Okada Subject: Re: Other mailing lists At 4:58 PM 95.8.31 -0700, fingers wrote: >Does anyone out there know if there is a a list of mailing lists? > > >Thanks in advance I heard there is a web site for lists of mailing lists(majordomos and listservs etc.) Although I have not checked it out personally, it sounds good for searching general lists. Masa Okada ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:33:02 +0900 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Masayuki Okada Subject: Re: Other mailing lists At 4:58 PM 95.8.31 -0700, fingers wrote: >Does anyone out there know if there is a a list of mailing lists? > > >Thanks in advance I heard there is a web site for majordomos, listservs etc. (http://scwww.ucs.indiana.edu) Although I have not checked it out personally, it sounds good for searching general mailing lists. Masa Okada ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:40:06 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Spamboy Subject: Re: MOTU MIDI Timepiece In-Reply-To: <950901200912_89295927@emout04.mail.aol.com> Send email to MOTU at Unicorn@applelink.apple.com and see what they say. They might just send you the disks. I have a MTPII so I can't help you more than that. Randy Budnikas * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Randy@isaac.biola.edu 8182 Glengarry Green *SPACE MONKEY ENTERPRISES * 714-522-BITE Buena Park, CA 90621 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * fax/modem:714-522-6323 On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, A. Kar Vivekananthan wrote: > Does any one have the Mac software to drive this interface? > Or info on how to obtain it. I've crashed my HD. > Life is hard, right now. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > thanx. > > DKAV@aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 00:24:09 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Merlin Zener Organization: Merlin's House of Music, Computers, And Misc Electronics Subject: Re: Information In <01HUJMJPRDMA8YBTAD@VAX2.CONCORDIA.CA> KEVIN AUSTIN writes: >Hello, >I discovered your eMail address on a recent posting. I teach >electroacoustics and am the secretary to the Canadian Electroacoustic >Community. Could you please send me information about this list? >Thank you G'day Kevin, I don't really know what to tell you - all I have on file is the generic "welcome" message the the majordomo spits out, but then again if you're already on the list then you'd already have that. Oh dear. Rambling again... :) Actually this list is rather quiet, just the odd question/answer about various synth/sampler/MIDI problems, and so on. -- Cheers:) Merlin Zener Ph/fax: +61 7 55275594 Musician, Technician Mobile: +61 18 779 594 Gold Coast, Australia. email: merlin@merlin.edex.edu.au home page: http://www.onthenet.com.au/~merlin "Research shows that no-one ever went blind from looking on the bright side of life" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:29:02 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: Voice stealing I believe that different instruments have different ways of dealing with it. It is usually the first event would be first to go. Some intrstruments have ways of selecting what is to go first. I think the best way aroound all that is to have another instrument pick up the work. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:33:59 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: Voice stealing >> (ObPWarCon: System7.0 is good. System 7.5 is bad. WinXX is bad. DOS 4.0 >> was an invention of the Prince of Darkness. Word > cheap. Bill Gates is rich). >> >Cheating is bad. Richard Basehart is good. > > --- Sys 7.5 is bad?? Havent noticed. Word 5.0 is good??? wow. What a knob dweeb. Try Nisus. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:35:44 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: ATTENTION MICHAEL BLACK >Or, can anyone out there recommend a good Mac mailorder house? I find the bast place to find a bunch of Mac mail oreder places is in MacWeek mag. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 21:01:27 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Black Subject: Re: ATTENTION MICHAEL BLACK >Michael, > >I saw your posting recently where you mentioned that the Quadra 605 was >going now for (I think it was) $749US. Can you please tell me, was that a >mailorder house, new, and if so, who? > >Or, can anyone out there recommend a good Mac mailorder house? > > --=[ E r i c I a n S l u y t e r ]=-- > > 2021 4th Avenue #405, Seattle, WA 98121-2421 > email: bc492@scn.org telephone: (206)728-7145 It was indeed a mailorder ad I referenced, from the July MacUser. P166. CompuAmerica 1-800-533-9005 Quadra 605 4M/160HD. I know NOTHING about this company, just was a real good price. I also saw an ad for a Q605 4M CPU only for $599 from CRA Systems 800-375-9000. don't anything about them either. Grab a magazine, check out the ads. Ask the list for input on companies, or check out MAC-L. Michael ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 00:26:11 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Sasi Shalom Subject: Re: mac mail order For Mac mail order try MacConnection 1-800-800-2222 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:15:19 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Voice stealing >Sys 7.5 is bad?? Havent noticed. Word 5.0 is good??? wow. What a knob dweeb. >Try Nisus. Anorak Alert. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com "Success can be measured by only one thing: the hairs on the back of your neck." -- Twyla Tharp ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 15:15:52 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: MOTU MIDI Timepiece >here is what you need. It works with the old MTP also. Just what I've always wanted. I love getting commercial software via email, and I'm sure the rest of the list does as well. Dunno what I'll do with it though. Maybe I'll put it on the mantlepiece. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com "Success can be measured by only one thing: the hairs on the back of your neck." -- Twyla Tharp ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:11:42 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Stan E. Niepokoj" Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 2 Sep 1995 to 3 Sep 1995 At 4:58 PM 95.8.31 -0700, fingers wrote: Does anyone out there know if there is a list of mailing lists? Try SRI International- ftp.nisc.sri.com directory: "netinfo" file:"interest-groups.Z" Dartmouth List of lists: dartcms1.dartmouth.edu Wais database search: mailing-lists Listserv mailing lists on Bitnet: Send command "list global" Usenet newsgroup of Internet list of lists: "news.lists", "news.announce.newusers" and "news.answers" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:28:30 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "A. Kar Vivekananthan" Subject: Re: Other mailing lists yeah, I know if you can get to a an aol account; your's or a friend's - just click on mailing lists... Skar ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:42:30 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Neal Sievwright Subject: Re: Voice stealing Most modern keyboards have a setting for voice allocation priority, so I guess it's back to the manual! Neal. sievwrn@agric.nsw.gov.au ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Voice stealing Author: Electronic Music Discussion List at smtpgwy Date: 9/2/95 4:57 PM Hi all, Another question for the collective brain: are there any general rules for how voice stealing works, or is it synth-specific? An example; using a K-4 + EZVision + Mac, I have a sequence which has long chord washes overlaid with more staccato bits and pieces. When I reach the K4's 16 note polyphonic limit, sometimes the underlying chord will get cut off by one of the overlying shorter notes. I can play the identical sequence several times over, and sometimes this will happen, sometimes it won't. The apparantly random nature of this is obviously a problem, as is the fact that this is the exact opposite of what I would like to happen, ie I could have some fun stealing notes from the staccato sections, but I would want to keep the underlying chords running throughout. I've tried playing with channel numbers etc, but no obvious solutions have presented themselves. Any ideas, anyone? Can I protect the underlying chords? How can I determine which note gets stolen, and which note does the stealing? Etc, etc: you know the score by now. Thanks in anticipation Clive (ObPWarCon: System7.0 is good. System 7.5 is bad. WinXX is bad. DOS 4.0 was an invention of the Prince of Darkness. Word Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: MOTU MIDI Timepiece 2 things. i guess since i am new at this mailing list experience, i made a mistake and sent to the whole list instead of the person requesting it. I assumed it was not commercial software as what good is it without the hardware. sorry for both counts ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:52:11 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Eric Erwin Kooijmans Subject: Re: MOTU MIDI Timepiece >here is what you need. It works with the old MTP also. > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:MTP II Console 1.0.SIT (SITD/SIT!) (000066E5 Greetings to you!, I have started joining the List for about four weeks and will continue doing so! It is a good "place" to visit! My fields of work are Musictechnology (Study): Sound Design (User-interfaces), and Musictechnology & Education. I am sending a message to the List because of the following: Request: Would you not attache anything to your e-mail messages that slows down the receiving of the messages of this List. It took about two minutes! Espacially when I did not ask for it! A better way is is to send such long files to personal e-mail adresses. Ask for a request! Make a list! I would have reacted immediatelly (whenever it is not illegal software)! I am not complayning about the contents of the file you attached! Keep the "List" for communicating with others! I should be kept fast and efficent! Greetings!, Eric Erwin Kooijmans ****************************** E.E.Kooijmans Musictechnology: Sound Design (User-interfaces), Musictechnology & Education, The Netherlands. ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:12:30 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: James Snipes Subject: Re: Other mailing lists In a message dated 95-09-02 04:21:41 EDT, you write: >0 You can reach Publicly Accessible Mailing Lists - Index by Subject at - http://www.neosoft.com/internet/paml/bysubj.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:44:46 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: MOTU MIDI Timepiece Last item of this discussion then move on. I had made a mistake in sending to all on the list. I use Claris E-mailer for my e-mail app, and when it asked do I want to reply to sender or sender and all other recipients, I know realize that they are the same. I have to manually copy and paste senders address in the field. live and learn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:41:27 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: MOTU MIDI Timepiece In-Reply-To: from "Nick Rothwell" at Sep 3, 95 03:15:52 pm > > >here is what you need. It works with the old MTP also. > > Just what I've always wanted. I love getting commercial software via email, > and I'm sure the rest of the list does as well. Dunno what I'll do with it > though. Maybe I'll put it on the mantlepiece. > Um, yeah. It's not legal to do that. Please don't do it again. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:12:52 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Roland JS-30 and JV 1080 Well, I've been told by a couple of people that the 1080 is one of the very best synths they've ever worked with...better than the Proteus 3 in world sounds (which has been discontinued, no?). Matthew Ross Davis, WWW Design and Editing Quantum Research Corporation mdavis@qrc.com, (301) 657-3070 http://muon.qrc.com/mdavis/mdavis.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:44:21 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Matthew W. Tanquary" Subject: Roland TD-7 / Cubasis Audio questions I recently purchased a Roland TD-7 drum set. Is there currently any software which is TD-7 specific or compatible which has patch-editing and dumping capabilities. Also, is there an FTP sight, or similar location of Roland sounds? (Preferrably percussion, but any will do.) Does anyone know about the cubasis audio software? Is it quality software? Can it realistically be used as a mixer/sequencer? Basically, should I purchase it for my audio/midi recording purposes? Thanks in advance! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:42:54 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: Roland JS-30 and JV 1080 > Well, I've been told by a couple of people that the 1080 is one of >the very best synths they've ever worked with...better than the Proteus 3 >in world sounds (which has been discontinued, no?). > >Matthew Ross Davis, WWW Design and Editing >Quantum Research Corporation >mdavis@qrc.com, (301) 657-3070 >http://muon.qrc.com/mdavis/mdavis.html Ever since i did a class at one of the Universities (Humbolt) doing a mac and midi thing, I had a bunch of Proteus to ues, and ended up buying them after the session was over. I stil use them and although if you are going to use them live, they will nheed lots of tweaking, butfor recording, perfect. You say you know people that work on these other synths. Who cares if they are easy to work on. What do they sound like? Are the logical, do they fit your needs.. Use your ears. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:46:16 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: Roland TD-7 / Cubasis Audio questions >Does anyone know about the cubasis audio software? Is it quality software? >Can it realistically be used as a mixer/sequencer? Basically, should I >purchase it for my audio/midi recording purposes? > >Thanks in advance! \ Cubase, and cubase audio do work as sequencers and the audio of course has audio traqcks. A different way to work than what you may be used to, Performer vision and on down, but A change in this area is always welcome. I do not like a sequencer dictating how I should compose orlimit how I work. itr will also sync to a BRC (alesis) without any trouble at all. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:04:07 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ullrich Peter Subject: Re: Roland TD-7 / Cubasis Audio questions >Does anyone know about the cubasis audio software? Is it quality software? >Can it realistically be used as a mixer/sequencer? Basically, should I >purchase it for my audio/midi recording purposes? > >Thanks in advance! \ The German magazine KEYS (issue September 1995) has got a demo version of Cubasis Audio on the CD delivered with the magazine. Publisher: PPV Presse Project Verlags GesmbH Postfach 57 D-85230 Bergkirchen GERMANY phone: +49-8131-56 55-0 fax: +49-8131-8 72 88 Peter Ullrich (ullrich@kapsch.co.at) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:39:04 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: S Astill Subject: Hello & multitrack In-Reply-To: <199509060901.FAA87121@atlanta.american.edu> Hello I'm new on the list. It's pretty quiet isn't it? I've got a PC with a Turtle Beach Tropez Sound card, I am interested in being able to use it for simple multitrack audio recording (say to mimic a 4 track only recordinbg one track in at a time), Does anyone know of any shareware/ cheap/ free software that may achieve this? Also I would like a reference (I can FTP by eMail) to somewhere with tips and useful information on clever things to do with cubase. Thanks Stuart s.astill@statcp.maff.gov.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:43:10 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Roland JS-30 and JV 1080 At 10:42 PM 9/5/95, fingers wrote: >> Well, I've been told by a couple of people that the 1080 is one of >>the very best synths they've ever worked with...better than the Proteus 3 >>in world sounds (which has been discontinued, no?). >Ever since i did a class at one of the Universities (Humbolt) doing a mac >and midi thing, I had a bunch of Proteus to ues, and ended up buying them >after the session was over. I stil use them and although if you are going >to use them live, they will nheed lots of tweaking, butfor recording, >perfect. And I own a Proteus MPS+. >You say you know people that work on these other synths. Who >cares if they are easy to work on. What do they sound like? Are the >logical, do they fit your needs.. Please point out where I said they were easy to work on. And I have no idea what they sound like - they weren't my words, nor my opinions. >Use your ears. The original poster wanted to read what people had heard about these synths. I told what I had heard. Lay off. Matthew Ross Davis, WWW Design and Editing Quantum Research Corporation mdavis@qrc.com, (301) 657-3070 http://muon.qrc.com/mdavis/mdavis.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:58:03 GMT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mark W Young Subject: MusicX om AMIGA Hi, I'm currently using MusicX (v 1.0 ?) for sequencing and I wondered how this differed from MusicX 2.0. If anyone knows what extra facilities (if any) this later release offers please drop me an email. I am particularly interested in having "virtual sliders" to edit control changes (e.g. pan, volume, reverb and chorus levels etc.) in real time. Thanks in advance. Mark ******************************************* * Mark W Young - cepmy@scri.sari.ac.uk * * Scottish Crop Research Institute * * Invergowrie * * Dundee DD2 5DA * * Tel +44 01382 562731 * * Fax +44 01382 562426 * ******************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:23:33 MET Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andrea Gozzi Subject: Re: Roland TD-7 / Cubasis Audio questions In-Reply-To: <9509060704.AA11323@rauris.kapsch.co.at>; from "Ullrich Peter" at Sep 6, 95 9:04 am > The German magazine KEYS (issue September 1995) has got a demo version of > Cubasis Audio on the CD delivered with the magazine. > > Publisher: > > PPV Presse Project Verlags GesmbH > Postfach 57 > D-85230 Bergkirchen > GERMANY > > phone: +49-8131-56 55-0 > fax: +49-8131-8 72 88 > > Peter Ullrich (ullrich@kapsch.co.at) I think it would be interesting if someone would put it on ftp for us to try it... -- /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Andrea Gozzi - Via Campagnola 21/A - 42015 Correggio (RE) ITALY / / INTERNET: work@forum.sublink.org - Voice: ++39-522-692830 / / Fax: ++39-522-692916 / /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:50:19 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Edward Plant Subject: project funding This list has been pretty quiet lately, so I thought this would be a good time to ask a question which I've been wondering about for a while. I've been working independently on a design for an "alternative" live performance (especially for dance) MIDI controller which seems to be a unique approach, based on the info I've gleened from this list and some other sources in the past few months. The work has reached the point where some funding would be nice (!) :) and I was wondering if anyone out there could offer some advice on where a novice could start in locating potential sources. Thanks for your help! Edward Plant egp@ideas.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:56:51 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Usability vs. "sound" You know, if we refrain from abusing one another (pointed stare), this is a very fruitful topic for discussion. *Is* it better to buy yourself a machine which sounds like a dream but is hard to use (say, a wallfull of Moog modules), or something that intuitively fits your head (in my case, the VFXsd and the EWI/Vortex combo)? I would argue that usability is going to be a bigger win in more cases. From where I stand, I want to have as seamless an environment as possible. Intrusive interfaces get in the way of my producing what I want because I have to switch modes -- "Okay, now, press this button twice, turn the dial to select this parameter, move the slider, exit key, exit key, where is it? Ah! Um, where are we?" I would recommend *especially* for a first synth that you stick with something that works well for you. I like a lot of accessibility to my synth - I can pretty much get anywhere on my VFX with no more than 3 button presses, and can jump from mode to mode easily. I liked the Nord Lead because it has KNOBS. I kind of don't like the analog synth module which comes with the EWI because its all "find this parameter under this menu, oops I didn't turn off write protect..." Contrary opinions definitely solicited. Convince me. I've thought about the MicroWave, but as I know two people with diametrically opposed opinions about its user interface ... :) --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:11:32 BST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andy Farnell Subject: Re: project funding In-Reply-To: <9509061350.AA19399@ideas.com>; from "Edward Plant" at Sep 6, 95 9:50 am Edward Plant writes > > This list has been pretty quiet lately, so I thought this would be a good > time to ask a question which I've been wondering about for a while. I've > been working independently on a design for an "alternative" live performance > (especially for dance) MIDI controller which seems to be a unique approach, > based on the info I've gleened from this list and some other sources in the > past few months. The work has reached the point where some funding would be > nice (!) :) and I was wondering if anyone out there could offer some advice > on where a novice could start in locating potential sources. Thanks for your > help! I am also pondering Edwards position. This is the last year of my PhD research in synthesis and human computer interfacing and marks the end of four years during which I have had to fund myself almost every step of the way. My initial attempts at getting funding met very lukewarm response. Large companies like Yamaha, Roland seem very shortsighted and insular in their R&D attitude. Now I am sitting on a project that has grown bigger than I can handle and could not hope to set up a company which could exploit the potential. All I can do really is publish and wait for someone else to exploit the effort. The lesson to be learned I think is to think far more broadly about funding. Now I'm getting a much better response from companies in software and multimedia areas and hope to get together enough money to build a prototype. There's a lot of people out there doing very far sighted research in sound and interfacing, experimenting with different transducers, control methods and entirely new interfacing paradigms that will make the keyboard synthesiser redundant within a decade. Until the big synthesiser manufacturers take heed of this and break the technology out into the mass market it will probably always remain 'experimental' and Edward and I will remain in our basements messing with circuit boards. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Farnell, Audio Signals Research Computing and Cognition Dept. Applied Computing & Electronics # # BOURNEMOUTH Bournemouth University # UNIVERSITY Janet: afarnell@uk.ac.bmth World: afarnell@bournemouth.ac.uk Voice: (0202) 595257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:21:57 BST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andy Farnell Subject: interfaces and the like In-Reply-To: <1401903443-92686329@pop.knot.nl>; from "Eric Erwin Kooijmans" at Sep 4, 95 12:52 (noon) > Greetings to you!, > > I have started joining the List for about four weeks and will continue > doing so! It is a good "place" to visit! > > My fields of work are Musictechnology (Study): Sound Design (User-interfaces), > and Musictechnology & Education. Hi Eric, I am interested in what you are up to. I am a researcher in HCI and synthesis and I am in the middle of a PhD in human-synthesiser interfacing for sound construction/editing and performance which uses a novel interaction paradigm based on psychometric parameter association. Want to talk about interfaces and such ideas? All the best, andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Farnell, Audio Signals Research Computing and Cognition Dept. Applied Computing & Electronics # # BOURNEMOUTH Bournemouth University # UNIVERSITY Janet: afarnell@uk.ac.bmth World: afarnell@bournemouth.ac.uk Voice: (0202) 595257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:37:40 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Pasch Subject: Re: project funding In-Reply-To: <9509061350.AA19399@ideas.com> An interesting concept, this alternate controller suited to dance applications. Is it like a midi glove or footpad that you step on or something more original? I'm very intrigued by alternate forms of entering music- I would like to see midi start and stop clocks transmitted by a wave of the hand, or solo and mute a track of my sequencer with a hand clench or a finger point. For techno live shows, the effect is just monumental when you "conduct" the dancers as it were. If anyone knows about the practicality of these ideas, please contact me. Yes! Music is prayer, it is faith, it is friendship, it is the epitome of cooperation.- George Sand. Tim Pasch. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:55:47 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: MusicX om AMIGA Hi, Ver 2 added lots of stuff, including notation. Twice as many features at least. Dont recall if they added sliders. Dont even know where my copy is. I find Bars and Pipes Pro to be easier, faster, and with tons of features Music X doesn't have. If you are using Music x, for sure get the upgrade. Happy Midi. Timothy Kelly MidiVox -- MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays. Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some Drums, Sing a Cello. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars." Keyboard. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:43:57 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: Usability vs. "sound" Hi, Well, commen sense takes care of this one. If you are doing a lot of real time live performing, where you need as few buttoms presses as possible, usability would seem to win out. If you mainly record or sequence, sound is what you go for, an extra button press or two wont matter. Theres enough gear out there that I dont think you need to choose one over the over. And most allows saving of all setups so that one should never need more than 2 or 3 button presses. And if you improvise in real time, thats what midi foot controllers are for, when you dont even have time for one button press, cause your fingers are too busy. Happy Midi. Timothy Kelly MidiVox -- MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays. Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some Drums, Sing a Cello. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars." Keyboard. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:13:15 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Eric Sluyter Subject: MAC FOR SEQUENCING/DIGITAL MULTITRACKING Dear Fellow Subscribers, A little (more) much-appreciated guidance, please... I'm in the market for a (preferrably) used Mac for the immediate purpose of sequencing but with an eye (ear) toward expanding to digital audio multitracking sometime in the near future. I've been told that some Macs are better suited for these purposes than others, and that some are definitly to be avoided. Low budget is better, but, if neccessary, I've a few bucks to spend for the "right" system. If you could include what I might expect to pay for suggested systems, that, too, would be most appreciated. Oh, Knowledgable and Experienced Ones of the List, could ya give a guy a hand and the benefit of your wisdom? Many thanks in advance! --=[ E r i c I a n S l u y t e r ]=-- 2021 4th Avenue #405, Seattle, WA 98121-2421 email: bc492@scn.org telephone: (206)728-7145 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:16:49 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Lars Jensen Subject: Re: Roland TD-7 / Cubasis Audio questions I hope this is any help to you. I've been running the standard Cubase (not Cubasis) sequencing program on my Mac for some months - tho I don't have experience with any other such program, I'm pretty happy with the quality of it, ease of use, etc. I think Steinberg has a very up-to-date line of programs. I haven't learned about the mixer yet, but my impression from reading and using other parts of the program is that it seems very thorough, tho it take a bit longer to learn how to use it. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:21:06 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Ron G." Subject: Re: MOTU MIDI Timepiece I don't know if that version of the motu driver is a commercial product, but there are several other MOTU MTP drivers posted in the aol libraries. I asked one of the music and sound forum coordinators if they were commercial and his reply was "I don't think so, they (motu) sent them to us..." Just my .02... Ron rong225zt@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:16:52 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" > An interesting concept, this alternate controller suited to > dance applications. Is it like a midi glove or footpad that you step on > or something more original? I'm very intrigued by alternate > forms of entering music- I would like to see midi start and stop clocks > transmitted by a wave of the hand, or solo and mute a track of my > sequencer with a hand clench or a finger point. For techno live shows, > the effect is just monumental when you "conduct" the dancers as it were. > If anyone knows about the practicality of these ideas, please contact me. Yeah! Right on! Did you see Virtuosity yet? When the bad buy invades the nightclub he plays this ... ummm....thing. Now that was the _coolest_ musical instrument. Sort of a sampling theremin, and easier to control too. The movie is highly recommended if you haven't seen it (and can put up with the intensity of the violence). I think it can be done, but for now it would be easier to use motion-tracking VR gear, such as the Ascension Flock of Birds, rather than theremin-style. And unfortunately probably a glove too, so as to track gestures as well as motion. -- _______ KB7PWD @ N7MRP.AZ.US.NOAM shawn.rutledge@asu.edu (_ | |_) html: http://enuxsa.eas.asu.edu/~rutledge/home.html __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ * fusion * electronics * mad science * PIC * cyberspace * RISC * Linux * ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 17:01:13 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: MOTU MIDI Timepiece In-Reply-To: <950906142101_92622270@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "Ron G." at Sep 6, 95 02:21:06 pm > > I don't know if that version of the motu driver is a commercial product, but > there are several other MOTU MTP drivers posted in the aol libraries. I asked > one of the music and sound forum coordinators if they were commercial and his > reply was "I don't think so, they (motu) sent them to us..." In which case I withdraw my objection on legal grounds, but note to everyone (this is NOT directed at anyone, we've been through that) that posting giant BinHex files will make many mailers barf. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:08:59 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jeff Adkins Subject: Re: Usability vs. "sound" Joe McMahon wrote: >You know, if we refrain from abusing one another (pointed stare), this is a >very fruitful topic for discussion. *Is* it better to buy yourself a machine >which sounds like a dream but is hard to use (say, a wallfull of Moog >modules), or something that intuitively fits your head (in my case, the >VFXsd and the EWI/Vortex combo)? > I would recommend *especially* for a first synth that you stick with >something > that works well for you. Well, when I "upgraded" from my sound canvas to my jv-1080, I was definitely going for the best sounds (to my ears) I could get within my budget. Initially, tho, I found myself faced with what seemed like an extremely obstinate labyrinth of an interface (especially coming from using an sc55, where pretty much everything I cared to know about was on one page per part). As I've learned the 1080's interface and become more familiar with its operations, tho, it's now almost transparent or second-nature, and I am actually amazed at some of its powerful and intuitive features; of course now I can exploit these features, plus I feel I could tackle other interfaces more easily. It did take time and familiarization, but it has already been well worth it to me. Back in the Spring much of the discussion on the 1080 mailing list had to do with using the interface and its features, but now there is very little discussion about it. (The list did help flatten everyone's learning curve, as it should have.) Just thought I'd share that-- --Jeff ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:11:12 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: MAC FOR SEQUENCING/DIGITAL MULTITRACKING >A little (more) much-appreciated guidance, please... > >I'm in the market for a (preferrably) used Mac for the immediate purpose >of sequencing but with an eye (ear) toward expanding to digital audio >multitracking sometime in the near future. > >I've been told that some Macs are better suited for these purposes than >others, and that some are definitly to be avoided. > >Low budget is better, but, if neccessary, I've a few bucks to spend for >the "right" system. If you could include what I might expect to pay for >suggested systems, that, too, would be most appreciated. well, being a mac consultant and such, If you want audio, make sure tha mac has the right slot for the card. Or more than one slot if you want to maybe et into graophics too. Most macs before performas didnt have a VRAM, (seperate video ram) so when you scrolled as in graphic notation playback or even event list, it would jerk as it scroled. None of that ever bothered me.You should at least get a 030 chip mac and nothing lower . 25 meg clock would be a minimum too. you could squeak by with an se/30 but make syre there is a card that will fit a non standard slot. So, The answer is, you can get almost any mac 030 or better with a slot to do sequencing with a audiomedia card. For instance. ci, si will work so will a quadra. see? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:14:54 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: fingers Subject: Re: Roland TD-7 / Cubasis Audio questions >I recently purchased a Roland TD-7 drum set. Is there currently any software >which is TD-7 specific or compatible which has patch-editing and dumping >capabilities. Also, is there an FTP sight, or similar location of Roland >sounds? (Preferrably percussion, but any will do.) > >Does anyone know about the cubasis audio software? Is it quality software? >Can it realistically be used as a mixer/sequencer? Basically, should I you allready sent this one out. Also dop you have a mac? IBM ? atari? Sinclair? Have you checked out ed/lib apps like galaxy or unisyn? Phone the companies and ask if there are modules that support your device ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:11:51 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: project funding. MidiVox prototypes. Hi, Somehow one has to have 3 or 4 prototypes. Its a lot easier to get funding when one has working models, investors can try. Now that keyboard sales have flatlined for years now, and with the boom in sound cards and sound modules, no one is not going to take a look at a working prototype of an alternative controller. The first MidiVox prototype was just a BioSensor for speech therapists and voice doctors, it replaced $100,000 worth of cameras down the throat and other high end gear with a direct sensor that was not only more accurate but was only a few thousand dollars. Then later came the first working voice to midi prototype. It was as big as a wall, and was jury rigged from off the shelf and government surplus stuff. It looked like a 1950's spaceship control panel from Forbidden Planet. Next came half a dozen designs, each getting smaller and faster, as custom motherboards and custom chips were designed and made. So, as with all projects, they go step by step. Funding is where the same imagination you use in designing the project kicks in. Willam Lear sold stock door to door to build his first Lear Jet. Figure out how much you need and brainstorm with your friends over a pizza, and write down all ideas, no matter how outrageous they seem. Then try them. One or more will work. Theres plentry of cash out there. Happy Midi. Timothy Kelly MidiVox -- MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays. Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some Drums, Sing a Cello. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars." Keyboard. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:51:03 GMT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mark W Young Subject: Re: MusicX om AMIGA Hi, Thanks for the info on MusicX 2.0. I do have a copy of bars and pipes but I can't get it to read any .perf or .mid files, any suggestions? Best regards. Mark ******************************************* * Mark W Young - cepmy@scri.sari.ac.uk * * Scottish Crop Research Institute * * Invergowrie * * Dundee DD2 5DA * * Tel +44 01382 562731 * * Fax +44 01382 562426 * ******************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:23:13 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City Subject: Re: Usability vs. "sound" In-Reply-To: <199509061356.JAA29511@clark.net> from "Joe McMahon" at Sep 6, 95 09:56:51 am Joe McMahon writes-- >. *Is* it better to buy yourself a machine >which sounds like a dream but is hard to use (say, a wallfull of Moog >modules), or something that intuitively fits your head (in my case, the >VFXsd and the EWI/Vortex combo)? Bad choice, Joe. A wallfull of Moog modules, unless someone came in before you and totally wired it up with patch cable and left it that way with the admonition 'not to change any of the imporant parts', is actually very inuitive to use...you put this signal HERE, you put this signal HERE, you put this signal [insert evil English voice] OVER HERE!. What I would call a machine that sounds like a dream but is hard to use would be something like the Emu UltraProteus, where you have a beautiful sound set and a powerful architecture, but programming involves a few knobs and one dial and a vewwy vewwy tiny LCD display. >I would argue that usability is going to be a bigger win in more cases. From >where I stand, I want to have as seamless an environment as possible. Absolutely. I have, not without tears, gotten rid of several KILLER synthesizers and effects boxes, simply because they got in the way of my making noises. It doesn't matter how good it sounds; if you can't use it, you WON'T use it, and it's wasted money and space. Believe me, if anyone put a real UI on the Lexicon LXP-5, the Roland XP-50, the Wavestation SR, etc., I'd have them. Conversely, if an instrument doesn't inspire you with its sound, it can be much harder to enjoy a good UI (but not impossible), and if a UI is broken in a couple of places, those breaks can to some people be frustrating enough to prevent using the machine. The former is why I no longer own an SPX-90II (beautiful box, but too damn noisy!) and the latter is why I never bought a JD-800 (you want to talk about a synth that desperately needed that RISC CPU they developed for the JV-1080?!). >Contrary opinions definitely solicited. Convince me. I've thought about the >MicroWave, but as I know two people with diametrically opposed opinions about >its user interface ... :) Gosh, Metlay wondered, pouring Rothwell another Dr. Pepper, I wonder whom he could be referring to there? ;) mike -- 'ambient techno' is an oxymoron ========================================================================== Mike Metlay ~ ATOMIC CITY ~ P. O. Box 81175, Pittsburgh, PA 15217-0675 USA --- atomic@netcom.com --- http://pd.net/atomic-city --- All of our CDs can now be ordered directly from our WWW site, or by calling INFINITE ILLUSIONS: vox 904-385-6463 or 1-800-548-6724, or FAX 904-668-5825