========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:47:52 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Alan M. Bookmiller" Subject: Re: Commpressor/Limiter for Recording Electronic Music >>Would a compressor/limiter help in 4 Track sound quality for non-vocal >>compositions? If so, any recommendations? >> Gerry, You may want to look at the BBE Sonic Maximizer - check the thread running the list currently. I noticed David Rogers responded to your message regarding compression, but on 2/23 he sent a list message detailing compression, limiters and gates which I found to be very enlightening. I saved it and here it is; COMPRESSION: A compressor allows you to "squash" a signal into a desired dynamic range. Ever wondered why Mariah Carey's voice is a similar level (loudness) regardless of whether she's shrieking or whispering? By reducing the level of her really loud notes, the compressor allows the engineer to increase the overall level of the vocals, making the soft notes louder. Compressors generally have a threshold. If the audio level stays under this, no compression occurs. If it reaches or exceeds the threshold, the signal will be compressed. What happens is that the engineer decides how much compression to use. So if a comp ratio of 4:1 is set, then once the threshold is exceeded the signal coming _out_ of the compressor will rise by only 1 dB for every 4dB of rise of the original signal. Compressors also commonly have controls for attack and release. Attack allows you to set how quickly the compression starts once the signal has exceeded the threshold. Release allows you set how quickly the compression stops once the signal falls below the threshold. Adjusting these enables you to filter out noise (though don't go thinking they're like EQ -- they're not). Because loud peaks are squashed and the overall level is now increased, it means that the noise floor of the original signal will be more easily heard. Setting of attack and release will determine how easily this noise is heard between transitions from over- to under- the threshold or from under to over. IF you hear a "pumping" sound, adjust attack and release until you can't. Another reason for adjustable attack is that the brightness of a sound can have a lot to do with the attack of the sound. Excitation of a guitar string, or a violin bow contains more high frequency content (as non- haramonics -- i.e. not related to the _note_ played) than the following sustained portion of the sound. If the compression attack is too slow, --sorry, mistake. If the compression comes in too fast, the attack of the sound will be squashed and you'll lose some of that high-frequency sound which makes the instrument seem bright. Setting the compression to come in just after the attack (pluck or bowscrape or whatever) will preserve the brightness, but still squash the level generally. Some compressors also allow you to choose the way the compression comes in (besides simply fast or slow) -- that is, the 'curve' of its onset. A "hard knee" setting will look at the attack time and, after the time has expired, bring int he compression suddenly. A "soft knee" setting brings it in more gradually after the attack time has passed. Some products (like the Aphex Compellor) have only a couple of controls: 'drive' and 'output'. The drive is the amount of compression. The attack and release are set automatically depending on the nature of the incoming signal. LIMITING One often sees limiters on compressors too, or as stand-alone units. They are more commonly used in mastering, although they can be used to absolutely stop a signal from rising any further. Many engineers will use compression followed by hard limiting at a higher threshold. Simple limiters simply have a threshold setting at which the signal will not be allowed to rise any further. More sophisticated models may have attack and release controls and "frequency-conscious" limiting. The latter is when several frequency bands are monitored. If any one of them reaches the threshold, it is held and will go no higher. GATES Noise gates are kind of like limiters in reverse. If a signal falls below a certain threshold, it will be cut off (atttenuated severely). This can help to filter out tape noise at times when there is no signal. It is often used on drums with multiple microphones. There will always be some spill: e.g. the snare mic will pick up a little hi-hat, some toms and so on. We can more easily process the snare sound if we can isolate it from the sounds of the other isntruments which got into that microphone. A noise set correctly may enable us to do this. It is worth knowing about expanders, too. They are similar to noise gates, except that instead of muting the signal, they will expand it if it falls below a certain threshold. i.e. make the quiet parts quieter, without cutting them out altogether. The controls are similar to a compressor,but the ratio control refers to the amount of expansion. For example, if the signal falls 1 dB below the threshold, a 4:1 expansion ratio will cause it to be attenuated by 4dB. I'm afraid that when discussing these things, it is necessary to use a certain amount of jargon, becasue there may be no other way to describe a signal's or a devices characteristics. But I hope I have not blinded you with science. Any mistakes I've made -- and there a bound to be one or two, if not more -- will no doubt be corrected by my colleagues on the list. Regards, David Rodger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There you have it - I'm sure you'll find this useful, as I did, and thanks again Roger. Alan Bookmiller tabbooks@pa.net (Alan M. Bookmiller) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:36:07 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Brad Elder Subject: Alesis QS6 Hello EMUSIC Listers, I am new on this list and will probably spend more time reading than posting. I have recently purchased an Alesis QS6 Synth. and would like to hook up with other owners of this keyboard to share mutual questions while I learn how this beast works. If you are familiar with the QS6 & would be willing to answer questions about it please let me know. If your are in the same position I am in (just learning) contact me as well. we can find the answers together. Thank you for your time, Brad Elder Gbelder@AOL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:09:31 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nathanael W Berry Subject: Commpressor/Limiter for Recording Electronic Music >Subject: > >Would a compressor/limiter help in 4 Track sound quality for non-vocal >compositions? If so, any recommendations? > If your music source is purely electronic (non mic), you can usually limit the dynamic effect of the outputs. At times this may be inconvenient, and a comp/limit unit might do the trick. If you are using complex velocity controlled layered samples, for instance, you still want the texture of the soft (quieter) sample, but it may be too soft for your deck/application. You can either edit all the sample transition points...or compress the output. Another application I have found is kids music, or anything that will be heard on a cheap single speaker cassette deck. The effective dynamic range of these units may be as limitted as 35-40db. If you try to play a 60db recording on it, portions just wont be heard!(leaving low and hi Hz issues out for the moment:) If you are looking for names, on the inexpensive side - new (>$200 (barely :)) check out the ART and dbx offerings. Prices rise from there, although for some situations, these units will do as well as a more expensive rig. Be aware that you may find a "stereo" unit for less, or used at a good price, that does not allow dual mono operation [in stereo mode, the stronger of either input channels controls both comp/limit circuits]. In a small setup this type of unit is limited. Dual mono units usually have a stereo mode. Also, if you spend a few more dollars, you can get expander functions, which may also be useful in a small studio. A noise gate is also a very useful feature if you dont have one (several?) already. Especially if you have specific requirements, or "unusual" applications - try out the units with _your_ material. If you have no preference between units overall sound, push the effects beyond normal application so that transitions are clearly audible, make sure the compression attack and release work with your music, noise gate release is appropriate, and that the overall "edges" work for you. You might try a unit several tiers above (theoretically "better") the units you are considering just as a point of reference. See how it behaves. In the end...let your ears decide. Happy hunting Nate ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:10:31 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Eric Harnden (Ronin)" Subject: looking for spindle sorry for this folks... Sean Wolfe! are you there? your address is bouncing, according to the emltape-l server. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:36:30 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Brad Elder Subject: Basic PC Help Needed! Hello EMUSIC Listers & Listites! A friend of mine has an Alesis Quadra Verb & wants to get his laptop PC to be able to send MIDI instructions to it. He has come to me for help. My laptop has an integrated sound card (IBM Thinkpad) and his does not (Toshiba - 486) so I am not that familiar with his system. He does have sequencer software for his PC (Midisoft Recording Session & Cubase Lite) 1.) If he is going to use a serial MIDI output such as a Midiman Portman PC/S does he need to have a sound card? 2.) Does the Qudra Verb have a serial interface where the MIDI cables are not needed? 3.) What else about his setup can anyone suggest? What would be the laest expensive and or best way to get his system to work? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Brad Elder Gbelder@AOL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:04:37 +0300 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andre Fischmann Organization: Lycee Polytechnique - Mauritius Subject: Re: Basic PC Help Needed! Brad Elder wrote: > > Hello EMUSIC Listers & Listites! > > A friend of mine has an Alesis Quadra Verb & wants to get his laptop PC to be > able to send MIDI instructions to it. He has come to me for help. My laptop > has an integrated sound card (IBM Thinkpad) and his does not (Toshiba - 486) > so I am not that familiar with his system. He does have sequencer software > for his PC (Midisoft Recording Session & Cubase Lite) > > 1.) If he is going to use a serial MIDI output such as a Midiman Portman PC/S > does he need to have a sound card? No: he can hear with any external device connected to his quadraverb. > > 2.) Does the Qudra Verb have a serial interface where the MIDI cables are not > needed? No. The Quadraverb has only MIDI's Input, Ouptput... > > 3.) What else about his setup can anyone suggest? What would be the laest > expensive and or best way to get his system to work? > He needs only an external Midi interface for his PC. With this interface (serial or parallel), he can use any expander, master keyboard... If in the future he has a lot of Midi equipement, he can buy a Midi Patch, or he could buy frently a 2Port/SE Music quest interface Paralle / Midi (in this case, it will be dificult to print). It's posible to make his own interface, but I think it's better he buys a very well knowned interface, to be sure to have all the drivers (DOS, W3.11, W95) > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank You, > Brad Elder > Gbelder@AOL.COM -- Andre Fischmann & Diana Silva Santisteban - Fischmann fischman@netbox.com or fischman@bow.intnet.mu French man & peruvian girl living in Mauritius Island (tel. & fax 230-6963393) Interests : Music (sax, flute, keyboard, MIDI...), latin civilisation, Children, Atari - PC... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:07:28 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: VL-1 survey In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b12.32.19960330003728.0068f874@carina.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> from "Kai Schwirzke" at Mar 30, 96 01:37:28 am > > At 09:54 29.03.1996 -0500, you wrote: > >I highly recommend that you talk to the folks on the WIND list. There are a > >lot of people who have the VL-1m rack module and love it. > > > > --- Joe M. > > Hi Joe, > > thanks for the hint. Is it just wind-l@american.edu? > > Kai > It's WIND@morgan.ucs.mun.ca. --- Joe M. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 23:42:25 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Brad Elder Subject: Sequencer Software ? Hello Again EMUSIC Listites! Thank all of you who offered help in getting my friends PC to run MIDI. Now are there any suggestions on sequencer software for the PC? Thanks in advance for your opinions! Brad Elder Gbelder@AOL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:31:56 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Gerry Pawluk Subject: Autocom 1200 Anyone had any experience running from a ROLAND GP-10 into the Behringer Autocom 1200 to 4 Track? ( ie no guitar amp used.) I am interested in the resulting guitar track sound from the 1200? Thanks in advance. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:55:16 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Gus Alden Subject: Sending Midi Files Hello, Here's my problem for today. Sorry to bore you with it, but your help (again), much appreciated. A friend wants to recieve a midi file of mine. I export it from my Mac-based sequencer into the standard midi file format, UU encode it, attach it as a file to an e-mail post, and send it. He recieves it, it downloads into his PC, he decodes it and Voila? Actually, no. He attempts to import it into his sequencer, and nothing happens. Can anybody determine from the description I've just given of the process, what the missing link might be? Gus Alden aldenoob@biddeford.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:40:14 +0300 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andre Fischmann Organization: Lycee Polytechnique - Mauritius Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files Gus Alden wrote: > > Hello, > > Here's my problem for today. Sorry to bore you with it, but your help > (again), much appreciated. > > A friend wants to recieve a midi file of mine. I export it from my > Mac-based sequencer into the standard midi file format, UU encode it, > attach it as a file to an e-mail post I think may be some E-mail post make by themselves the UUENcode Process : may be you have then make the UUencode 2 times , one yourself, one the mail ? To be sure, you could send yourself a very little Midi file (if you can't, may be by the List if it's a very little file and if you advise that you are trying somethong for you ... ? , and send it. He recieves it, it > downloads into his PC, he decodes it and Voila? Actually, no. > > He attempts to import it into his sequencer, and nothing happens. Nothing ? Does the sequencer took the file or does the sequencer tells it can't be able to load the file ? ... Can > anybody determine from the description I've just given of the process, what > the missing link might be? > I think that may be the MAC Midi file has some header diferent than the PC Midi FIle. I have a little program Mac2Pc for this, but I never tried this. May be you could send me a file of your files, and I'll reply you if I can use. Don't forget, if you make this, to write that the file is in Mac and that you want to know if I 'll be able to use it. I have more than 15 000 midi files, and if you or your friend wants a list of my files, I can send it (the list, in zip file, takes 220kbyte) > Gus Alden > aldenoob@biddeford.com I hope you'll be able to corrct your problem. Bye -- Andre Fischmann & Diana Silva Santisteban - Fischmann fischman@netbox.com or fischman@bow.intnet.mu French man & peruvian girl living in Mauritius Island (tel. & fax 230-6963393) Interests : Music (sax, flute, keyboard, MIDI...), latin civilisation, Children, Atari - PC... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:19:36 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: George Sawyer Subject: Mastertracks Pro ...and now let's travel back in time........ Does anyone have a copy of Mastertracks Pro for the Apple IIgs ? I purchased this program about 5 years ago with an option to mail the registration card to get a backup copy of the program. When I finally got around to sending it in about 2 or 3 years ago, the company told me that the IIgs version was no longer available and that I could upgrade to the Mac version. I have quite a few sequences on the IIgs version and would like the comfort of knowing I have a backup copy of the program. (By the way, what platform is the preferred one for sequencing these days? Mac?, IBM compatible? other?) Help !!! George Sawyer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:21:00 MST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Curt B. Schatz" Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files At 12:55 PM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >Here's my problem for today. Sorry to bore you with it, but your help >(again), much appreciated. > >A friend wants to recieve a midi file of mine. I export it from my >Mac-based sequencer into the standard midi file format, UU encode it, >attach it as a file to an e-mail post, and send it. He recieves it, it >downloads into his PC, he decodes it and Voila? Actually, no. > >He attempts to import it into his sequencer, and nothing happens. Can >anybody determine from the description I've just given of the process, what >the missing link might be? > >Gus Alden >aldenoob@biddeford.com > How big can this MIDI file be that it needs to be UUencoded? Why not just attach it as straight binary and see what happens? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 02:03:31 +0300 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andre Fischmann Organization: Lycee Polytechnique - Mauritius Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files Curt B. Schatz wrote: > > At 12:55 PM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >Here's my problem for today. Sorry to bore you with it, but your help > >(again), much appreciated. > > > >A friend wants to recieve a midi file of mine. I export it from my > >Mac-based sequencer into the standard midi file format, UU encode it, > >attach it as a file to an e-mail post, and send it. He recieves it, it > >downloads into his PC, he decodes it and Voila? Actually, no. > > > >He attempts to import it into his sequencer, and nothing happens. Can > >anybody determine from the description I've just given of the process, what > >the missing link might be? > > > >Gus Alden > >aldenoob@biddeford.com > > > How big can this MIDI file be that it needs to be UUencoded? Why not just > attach it as straight binary and see what happens? It's not a problem of size : the Email is in 7 bits, and the files are in 8 bits : The UUEncade transform the binaries files (Midi, exe, zip...) to 7 bits files in 7 bits to allowed to be send by EMail ! -- Andre Fischmann & Diana Silva Santisteban - Fischmann fischman@netbox.com or fischman@bow.intnet.mu French man & peruvian girl living in Mauritius Island (tel. & fax 230-6963393) Interests : Music (sax, flute, keyboard, MIDI...), latin civilisation, Children, Atari - PC... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:15:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Matthew Christenberry Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files In a message dated 96-04-05 15:15:50 EST, you write: >I have more than 15 000 midi files, and if you or your friend wants a >list of my files, I can send it (the list, in zip file, takes 220kbyte) Could you send me the list. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:37:04 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Shirley Anderson Subject: Lowery Festival Organ I JUST JOINED THIS LIST AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYONE HAS A GOOD WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF THE ABOVE-NAMED ORGAN. I HAD ONE DELIVERED THE OTHER DAY AND AM HAVING FUN BUT NEED TO KNOW MORE. THANKS ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:49:19 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jeff Peters Subject: Re: Sequencer Software ? Brad, Powertracks is the most affordable, but is a pale comparison to Cakewalk Jeff ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:53:08 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jeff Peters Subject: Re: Mastertracks Pro George, It all depends on what you own and what you want it to do. For the Mac Composer is a great sequencer, for the PC Cakewalk is very effective. There are more programs out there than you can shake a stick at and the playing field is getting more crowded by the day, but the studios that I have used are using these programs. Jeff ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 23:12:19 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Brad Elder Subject: Re: Sequencer Software ? Jeff, Thanks for your response. You are not the first to reccomend Cakewalk. Could you tell me what makes it so good? Also How many tracks will it record? Print capabilities? Ease of use, editing/writing. Anyhing you can tell me about it I would appreciate. I do use an IBM Thinkpad. Thanks again, Brad Elder Gbelder@AOL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:52:59 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jeffrey Krieger Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files REMOVE ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:08:08 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: Mastertracks Pro Hi, If you still have the original disks, why not just back them up, make yourself a copy, or use a copy backup program to copy the installed software and everything needed to install it. Any hard drive backup program can do this. In the US, Mac and PC are most used for music making on computers. With pcs capturing 80-90% of the music making market. Rest pretty equal among Macs, Ataris, and Amigas. Outside the US, Amiga leads the music making pack, followed by PC, Atari, and Mac. The platforms with more users just give you a lot more hardware and software choices. Your musical imagination is more important than what kind of computer you have. Happy Holiday to All. Timothy Kelly MidiVox MidiVox. Real Time Voice to Midi. Hum, Scat, Talk, Rap, Sing. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. 'MidiVox Roars.' Keyboard. AES 'Best in Show.' EM 'Editors Choice.' Can You Hum a Bass Line? Scat a Horn? Sing a Cello? Rap Some Drums? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:45:17 +-100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Russ Subject: Re: Mastertracks Pro ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB23FA.1B33DB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Outside the US, Amiga leads the music making pack, followed by PC, = Atari, > and Mac. This would appear to be mis-informed. Last time I looked, the Atari was = the leader (in the professional world, anyways), followed by Mac. I have = *never* seen a studio with an Amiga or PC used for music purposes in it. = And I've seen a *lot* of studios. Amigas have no timing, and PCs aren't much better. I wouldn't trust = either of them if you want to make any music with soul. > Your musical imagination is more important than what kind of computer = you > have. Agreed, but only to a point. If the track is destined to be played to = people, you *need* correct equipment. The wildest imagination will not = produce good results on inadeqate equipment. Happy Easter to all! Russ ZycoN management / CyberSun record company ---------- From: Timothy Kelly[SMTP:midivox@IX.NETCOM.COM] Sent: 06 April 1996 20:08 To: Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L Subject: Re: Mastertracks Pro Hi, If you still have the original disks, why not just back them up, make yourself a copy, or use a copy backup program to copy the installed = software and everything needed to install it. Any hard drive backup program can = do this. In the US, Mac and PC are most used for music making on computers. = With pcs capturing 80-90% of the music making market. Rest pretty equal among Macs, Ataris, and Amigas. Outside the US, Amiga leads the music making pack, followed by PC, = Atari, and Mac. The platforms with more users just give you a lot more hardware and software choices. Your musical imagination is more important than what kind of computer = you have. Happy Holiday to All. Timothy Kelly MidiVox MidiVox. Real Time Voice to Midi. Hum, Scat, Talk, Rap, Sing. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. 'MidiVox Roars.' Keyboard. AES 'Best in Show.' EM 'Editors Choice.' Can You Hum a Bass Line? Scat a Horn? Sing a Cello? 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