From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Jun 13 11:29:01 1996 Received: from atlanta.american.edu (atlanta.american.edu [147.9.1.6]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA27121 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlanta (atlanta.american.edu [147.9.1.6]) by atlanta.american.edu (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA62539 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:03:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199606131503.LAA62539@atlanta.american.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:03:14 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8b)" Subject: File: "EMUSIC-L LOG9604D" To: Joe McMahon X-Status: Status: RO ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 03:40:48 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Lars Jensen Subject: Re: 4000$ for shopping I use Cubase on a Mac, but it started as an Atari program. If you can find a (relatively) recent release of it for Atari, you'll probably have the most powerful and flexible sequencer available. I think it's a great program, tho I am getting familiar with Vision, because it's considered the industry standard - at least in San Francisco. But if you can convince them to go Macintosh, you'll be better off. Good Luck! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:22:20 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Russ Subject: General FAQs V1.1 (New Issue: minor corrections/addition) Comments: To: SYNTH-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Warning: Long Document (375 lines, 2451 words, about 6 pages)-------------- EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-L Frequently Asked Questions: General This document is posted approximately every four weeks. It is intended that this document should answer many of the questions regularly asked by subscribers to the lists. Comments and corrections should be sent to the maintainer, Martin Russ, at: mruss@midi.dungeon.com This is Issue 1.1. 21 April 1996. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Changes since issue 1.0.: - Minor corrections to the text. - Added extra reference to the 'Mac v. PC' section. TOPIC INDEX################################################################ - Max - Soundcards - Music mailing lists & Newsgroups - Mac & PC - Theremins - FTP & HTTP MAX######################################################################## "What is MAX, anyway?"##################################################### MAX is a software toolkit which gives a real-time, interactive, graphical development environment for multimedia, music (and more). Programs are 'written' by connecting together graphical objects, rather than typing text. Typical applications for MAX include: Editors and Librarians for MIDI equipment; Compositional Tools; Utilities for analysing musical performance; and much more. MAX is often mentioned in these lists. It currently exists in variants for the Unix environment and on the Apple Macintosh, although a petition has been mentioned within these lists for a Windows version - contact JOEL STERN on stern@email.loc.gov or j.stern11@geis.genie.com for details. For more information on the Macintosh version, you should try contacting your nearest Opcode dealer. (Opcode distribute MAX for the Mac). Opcode also have a World Wide Web page at : http://www.rahul.net/opcode/index.html. There is also a MAX listserv. Send a message to listserv@vm1.mcgill.ca with a Subject of: Subscribe Max, and the message text: SUBSCRIBE MAX You will then receive daily digests of postings to the MAX list. SOUNDCARDS################################################################# "Where do I find information on Soundcards?"############################### Information on soundcards for personal computers can be found in the following Usenet newsgroup(s)" comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.GUS. MUSIC MAILING LISTS & NEWSGROUPS########################################### ##"Anyone know a good MUSIC discussion group on ?"####### The best place for discussion of almost any group, band, artiste, performer, musician (you get the idea), is the Usenet newsgroups. Try: alt.fan. ##Is rec.audio.pro a list that one can subscribe to like SYNTH-L?########## No. rec.audio.pro is a Usenet newsgroup, so you can't have it posted to you via e-mail. You need to have a newsreader program to be able to read it, or you may be able to dial in to a local BBS that carries Usenet newsgroups. Newsreader programs can usually be set so that they 'subscribe' to a specific newsgroup or groups, and then the end result is very like subscribing to a mailing list - you can read the postings to the newsgroup. ##Is there a list which discusses recording & mixing techniques?########### This subject is sometimes touched on in several mailing lists, including SYNTH-L and Electronica. There are also the Usenet newsgroups. The closest newsgroup is probably rec.audio.pro. ##Where can I find out about Algorithmic Composition?###################### There's an algorithmic composition mailing list. Mail to majordomo@serial.music.uiowa.edu (no subject required) with the body of the message saying subscribe algo-comp (Checked Dec 95: OK: Martin Russ) ##So how do I post to a newsgroup via e-mail?############################## You can use a mail-to-news gateway. Here's how you do it using the UTexas gateway: The 'To:' address should read xxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx.usenet@cs.utexas.edu, where xxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx is the newsgroup name: eg. rec.music.makers.synth. The resulting full address is this case would be: rec.music.makers.synth.usenet@cs.utexas.edu (Of course, you should really try to locate your nearest mail-to-news gateway rather than just use the UTexas one!) MAC & PC################################################################### ##Should I buy a PC or a Mac?############################################## This topic has been known to escalate into savage flame wars. There is no simple answer, but here are some pointers: RULE NUMBER ONE: SOFTWARE Find the software first, then THAT might make you decide which platform to buy. Some software is available on only one platform. (Max on the Mac is one example: there are counter-examples) Hard disk recording is often VERY platform-specific. RULE NUMBER TWO: VAPOURWARE Buy based upon what you can get now (this instant), not based upon what someone has promised will be available in the future. RULE NUMBER THREE: OBSOLESCENCE Whatever computer you buy will be almost instantly obsolete - and available for less than you paid for it. QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER You may need to purchase more than just the computer. -What are you going to hook it up to? Synthesizers? Samplers? -Do you need a MIDI connection only, or will you want to use a SCSI interface for sample transfer? -If you are going to use a MIDI connection, how many MIDI devices do you have? This will help you decide if you will want a single port or a multi-port MIDI interface. -Do you want to use a separate MIDI patch bay? -Do you want to do MIDI sequencing only, or do you want to do digital audio of any type? This can be divided into simple sound file and sample manipulation, and full multi-track song recording and editing... -If you want to work with sound files, are you going to want an internal sound card of some type or will you only work with "real" external/dedicated samplers, such as Ensoniq, Kurzweil, Akai or Peavey? -Do you plan to ever cut your own CDs with your own CD-R drive? Actually, there is good software for this on several different platforms. Some people like the stuff for Linux... -Do you want to do sequencing only, or do you want notation as well? (Do you understand the difference?) -Are you going to use this computer for music only, or will you want to do word processing/database/online services etc? -Do you want to be able to use free/low cost software from the Net, or do you only want commercial software? Another way of wording this might be: do you want a "turnkey" system that is already setup for you, or do you want to roll up your sleeves, get in there and learn the insides? -Do you think you might want to develop your own software? -And, a really important question is, what do your friends and fellow musicians use? If you are going to collaborate on projects, you should consider what the other people own, for better or worse... (But don't forget MIDI Files!) SPOILERS Many programs are equivalent across the Mac and PC platforms. Many 'Mac' developers, such as Opcode and Mark of the Unicorn, are now developing for Windows, so their products are going to be very very similar across the two platforms. Passport develop for both platforms, and the PC specific developers,like Twelve Tone, are now developing for both platforms. Plug 'n' Play PCI slots will not be standard on PCs until Pentium (+ Pro) motherboards become common - but PCI is now supported by PC and Mac. As a result, there is definitely not going to be as big a difference in setup and use any more. You can buy turnkey setups of both PC and Mac... Windows 95 and the Mac OS are both neat GUIs. Neither is perfect. Windows on the PC and the Mac are each equally as painful to develop for in their own way. BOTH have memory allocation problems. If you ask anyone about Mac versus PC, you'll get answers from every direction: mostly based on what people are familiar with or on their opinions as to what computing should be. So for what ever reason people use the computer they use, it is all personal. Sort of like a Ford, "some people swear by them, and some swear at them". It is all up to what you like and how you like to do it. Some people use both Mac and PC equipment, depending on what the need is. This is not to suggest that one should go out and buy both types of computers to satisfy every need, but both formats have their ups and downs. Keep an open mind. Both platforms definitely have their strengths and weaknesses. Neither is a clear winner. Further reading? The following web site contains lots of information regarding the Mac vs. PC debate - it is biased, of course! http://www.madmansdream.com/FairyTales/newpcTales2.toc.html Craig Anderton's column in the April 1996 Issue of Keyboard magazine (US) has a reasonable overview of the strengths and weakenesses of the Mac and PC. ##How do I move Standard MIDI Files from a Mac to a PC and vice-versa?##### Just save the MIDI file onto PC disks instead of Mac disks. Any Mac with an "FDHD" (high-density, 1.2M) disk drive can write onto DOS floppies and read them - using Apple File exchange or PC Exchange. (The Mac Plus, SE, and SE/30 do NOT have these drives). Macs running system 7.1 and above have good native support for reading DOS disks. PC disk access may be slow, and it is probably best to format the diskettes in the PC - some people have had reliability problems with PC diskettes formatted in Macs. As for using the files, the PC will just read them, but on the Mac, you'll have to open the application up first - you can't just double click on the file icon itself. If your application can't see the file, then you can look around for one of the freeware pieces of software that can change the file type and creator. Of course, there is also the Mac 640CD Dos Compatible or one of the add-in PC boards/cards. There have been reports of programs allowing DOS machines to read Mac disks as well, but the reviews have been mixed, leaning toward the negative. THEREMINS################################################################## ##What's a Theremin?####################################################### The theremin is one of the very first electronic musical instruments, and yet is one of the most novel and original. It is played without being touched. The theremin responds instantaneously and continuously to the motions of the player's hands in the space surrounding it. The theremin player uses one hand to control pitch, and the other to control volume. The instrument's tone resembles that of a violin, cello, or human voice, but has its own unique ethereal quality. The theremin was first developed in 1920 by the Russian musician/physicist Leon Theremin, and was originally produced in the United States in 1929 by the Radio Corporation of America. Currently, theremins are available from Big Briar, Bob Moog runs it (or at least does the design) and they also have a MIDI-ized Theramin. They say: "The Big Briar Series 91 theremins retain the timbre and playing characteristics of Professor Theremin's designs, but use contemporary digital and analog integrated circuit technology. The pitch range extends from the lowest audible pitch to three octaves above middle C. A small speaker is built in. Line-level audio, speaker, and pitch and volume control voltage outputs are standard features. High-quality, hand-crafted cabinets in three distinctive cabinet styles are available. Optional accessories include road cases and a small external speaker." For more information, contact Big Briar, Inc., 554-C Riverside Drive, Asheville, NC 28801; tel. (800) 948-1990 or (704) 251-0090, fax (704) 254-6233. They will snail-mail you a much more informative leaflet (6 pages or so, with pictures & reading list). The MIDI theremin is pretty expensive (about $2K US) but sends out full 14-bit control messages for pitch bend (that's 16384 steps... you could represent the entire piano keyboard, tuned down to the nearest cent or hundredth of a semi-tone, with only 8800 steps!). Big Briar is now also offering a DIY non-MIDI Theremin in the $250 range, including handmade antennas and a finished case. There has been a recent reissue of the only Theremin virtuouso, Clara Rockmore (hope I have that right) on CD. You can see a Theremin in action in the Led Zepplin concert movie, "The Song Remains The Same." www.paia.com/paia had a ThereMAX kit for sale in October 1995. You might want to know that there is a theremin page on the WEB at: http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~jbbarile/theremin.html The February 1996 issue of Electronic Musician magazine contains an article on building your own Theremin. FTP & HTTP################################################################# ##Where do I find Midi files/software archives on the Internet?############ There is a list of ftp and mail server archives with MIDI documentation, programs and music on the Internet. Also enclosed is a list of MIDI and electronic music related mailing lists. The latest version of this file can be obtained by ftp from ftp.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.17] in pub/MIDI/DOC/archives or by mail from mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (send a message with HELP in the body). From the mail-server the filename without pub/ should be used. The latest monthly version is also available in the various news.answers archives around the world, in music/midi/archives. ##Where can I find information on related books?########################### There is a bibliography on synthesizers, midi, computer and electronic music that has been collected from various sources by Piet van Oostrum . He has tried to bring some structure into it, but not all books will fit into a single subject. NOTE: He has NOT read these books, and the comments are from other people. The latest version of this file can be obtained by ftp from ftp.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.17] in pub/MIDI/DOC/bibliography or by mail from mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (send a message with HELP in the body). From the mail-server the filename without pub/ should be used. The latest monthly version is also available in the various news.answers archives around the world, in music/midi/bibliography. ##Where can I find demos of sequencers?#################################### On the Internet/Web, you could try: Harmony Central: http://harmony-central.mit.edu/Software/Mac/ ##Where can I find a list of used gear?#################################### There's a list at: ftp://synthcom.com/pub/synth/docs/current_raw.txt ##"Where is the archive of FAQs kept?"##################################### There are two FAQ documents. These cover Administration and General topics. You will be able to ftp previous FAQ files from the Internet. ##Contributors############################################################# Contributions by Mike Metlay, Joe McMahon, Ned Kartchner, Clive McFarland, Doug Ramsay, Tom Ritchford, David Rodger, Amanda Pehlke, John Rossi, Doug Wellington, Piet van Oostrum, Martin Russ, Bucky Goldstein, Jeff Talman, Devon E. Weller, FAUST, Billy Brown, Roger King and others... ########################################################################### ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Russ Reviewer & Columnist for Sound On Sound Magazine (UK) mruss@midi.dungeon.com Hi-Tech Music Technical Author & MIDI Consultant http://www.dungeon.com/~midi Macintosh & Synthesizer Programmer ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:44:50 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Gerry Pawluk Subject: E MUSIC CD's Can anyone recommend any E Music CD's in the vein of Tangerine Dream/Patrick O'Hearn. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:01:05 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Rob Early Subject: Waldorf Pulse Does anyone out there have a Waldorf Pulse? I was thinking about buying one but I want to find out more about it from a user perspective. Rob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:15:30 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tony Cappellini Subject: phasers on stun I was in a used gear shop recently, and was overwhemled with the amount of used FX pedals they had. I saw a Mutron Phaser II (??) and wanted to try it out. It had a very similar sounds to my MXR Phase 100, but the Mutron has a continuously variable depth control, where the MXR has 4 preset stops. The Mutron alsa had another control, but I can't remember what it was now :) I also saw a Maestro Phaser, but it only had 3 on/off foot switches, and no variable controls. THis unit looked wierd, so I didn't even bother to listen to it. There was also a Roland Phaser (surprise), but I didn't give this a shot either. I saw 4 different versions of the Small Stone. I wonder if all sound the same ? I also remember (From years ago) some monstrous Maestro pedals, that had vertically mounted plastic wheels, that you could adjust with your feet, but I don't remember what type of effect they were. I seem to remember another Maestro pedal that had a 3 inch diameter round disc on the top, that you could pivot between settings. This *might* have been an envelope follower pedal. So what other phasers are out there there a worth using/listening to ? tony ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:57:27 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: jgleck Subject: Hard disk recording Hello all, I have been doing music in my home midi-studio for a number of years. I have been synching my sequencer tracks to an 8 track analog deck and adding audio there. I've been considering going to a hard disk recording system. With all the options out there it is hard to know which is the best way to go. I've seen some hardware based systems that all look very interesting and most importantly, are affordable, such as Vestax, Akai,Roland,Fostex. I'm not very familiar with the software based systems available.I am trying to determine which will give me the most for my money, a modular system or software based system. Right now I have a Pentium-75 system which I am increasing to 16 megs RAM. I am hoping to get some feedback from people who have experience with either system to hopefully narrow the field for me. If this is not the right list for this, perhaps someone could steer me in the right direction. Thanks, James Gleckler ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:11:45 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tony Cappellini Subject: Sequential Drumtracks vs Tom Comments: To: synth-l@american.edu Can somebody tell me the differences between these two machines ? Which one is better ? thanks ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 17:18:48 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tony Cappellini Subject: Alan Parson : I Robot Comments: To: synth-l@american.edu Can anyone tell me what was used to make the swirling textures on the song I Robot (0:42-1:45) on the I Robot album ? thanks ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:51:38 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tony Cappellini Subject: Wave for Windows / Windows 95 Comments: To: synth-l@american.edu Does anyone know of any way to make Wave SEII work with WIndows 95 ? It takes and incredibly long time to come up, once launched, and will GPF on me at various times. I am using version 1.3, with DLL version 2.91 (1995) thanks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:29:31 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Christoph Belau Subject: Re: Sequential Drumtracks vs Tom In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960421231145.006a95a4@best.com> On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Tony Cappellini wrote: > Can somebody tell me the differences between these two machines ? > Which one is better ? > > thanks > hi tony, i can't tell u the difference but i can answer questions concerning the drumtrax (cause i've got one here...)! btw i never heard of "TOM"... perhaps u can tell me more? bye belau ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:34:44 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Reuben J. Ghose" Subject: R and B kick drums Comments: cc: Synth-l@AMERICAN.EDU I have heard a really cool bassy kick drum in many of the new R and B songs. It sounds like a kick drum doubled with some sort of bass. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, would you please tell me how I could achieve this sound. Reuben J. Ghose ghose@interlog.com Reuben J. Ghose ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:50:41 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: phasers on stun Hi Tony, thanks for your note on old FX pedals. Never much liked them myself (and more recent experiences have not impressed me either) because they're always noisy, but... > I also remember (From years ago) some monstrous Maestro pedals, that had > vertically mounted plastic wheels, that you could adjust with your feet, but > I don't remember what type of effect they were. I seem to remember another > Maestro pedal that had a 3 inch diameter round disc on the top, that you > could pivot between settings. A joystick for the foot? If this product caught on, we might have seen a new trend in stage choreography. Any thoughts, Nick Rothwell? Regards, Davids (Whoops - split personality) musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:24:42 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files SIMPLE - - - MAC'S SUCK. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:23:43 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" Subject: Re: Sequencer Software ? vISION iS tHE eASIEST tO uSE aND hAS tHE mOST oPTIONS - - - iT'S jUST a bITCH wAITING fOR tHE vER. 2.0 uPGRADE??? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:29:00 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: Sequencer Software ? Hi, The pc gives you the most variety in software choices. And also the most bang for the buck. Closet to Atari Notator would be Cakewalk Pro, or maybe the new PC Vision, or New PC Logic. Musicator is excellent if you are using Roland GS stuff. And Midisoft Studio is good if all you want is a notation based sequencer and dont need graphic controller editing and all the other Cakewalk Pro type options. Master Tracks Pro 6.0 for windows is also good if all you want to spend is $75. And need something simple. And for those on a budget, Power Tracks Pro is only $30, and they keep adding more stuff to it every year. Happy Sequencing. Timothy Kelly MidiVox -- MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays. Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some Drums, Sing a Cello. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars." Keyboard. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:06:46 +0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Juan Manuel Rodriguez C." Subject: Hello everybody on e-music..... Hi, First of all, I'd like to greet everybody on the electronic music list, since I'm new (freshman) , I've just received a lot of questions..., and I've no way to know which topics have you 'dealed' lastly I'm hopefull over info I could get here, but also about I could share... so this goes for the people who like House-Techno-Technorap-Dance(etc...) I heard about a man asking "don't you like dance" about a week ago, if there's is people liking techno, we could 'discuss' about. I'm searchin people who's dealed with synthsizers and tone modules or generators, until nowadays (xcuse d'expression) I've just worked on non-programmable keyboards, like the PSR line of Yamaha, nowithstandin' it was perfect for sequencin' (hey, I'm not quite sure of what sequencin' is!) drumtracks, moreover in my drum kit I found "house bass drum", I could include up to 4,5,6, drum tracks (of course looping), and it tasted relatively good (someone suggested me for sell tracks!)..........///////// the QUESTION is "would be convenient to adquire a tone generator (I consider it no-keyboard synth') like a TG - 100, or TG 50, and use my MIDI in-out, aiming to increase my patch variety>>???, or which tone gnrtor could you recommend me??? Going on, I've a 75Mhz pentium, with a soundblaster 16 soundcard, and with a damaged FM-synth chip, what do you think it's better..... -to completely change the soundcard, or simply add the upgrade of a WT card like SB AWE 32, since I'm interested in synth's, I would like to know if somebody knows about a soundcard able to function like I synthsizer (I MEAN, USER PROGRAMMABLE PATCHES, ATTACK,DECAY, SUSTAIN, DELAY, MODULATION, VIBRATO, SQUARE WAVES........) also able to store the timbre changes in computer RAM, is it really 'available'? Overly, I'm searching people who's dealed with soundcard or musicalkeyboards programming (c,pascal, ....), i.e. tryin' with system-exclusive-messages, I'm very interested in that, and hey people, couldn't us share our musical tries, sending and resendin' it via e-mail (to avoid ftp of course), with attachment..... NNNNMMM, what about amiga Mod files, (i know the mods, but not the amiga's), I knew about them six months ago, and I've worked on, I've used a shareware version of a program called Fasttracker II, it's a swedish program, I have been tryin' to contact them by e-mail like a )(&)@(~*$%)@*&%$)@&)$ and I haven't got it, all their adresses are damaged!, if someone has heard about, please let me know to contact them,,......., I could send all of you (listers), a mod xm file made by me, of course only for the techno-dance likers (Imadeiton 2-unlimited what about eh....) LASTLY, since I'm a Colombian (excuse me if we're not happily famous worldwide) , I'm confused about confusin' words like ..... TWEAK>>>??? BTW???? FUDGE???? WELL, GREETS TO ALL OF YOU, AND HAVE A ULTRA-NICE DAY (s).... BYEING UC EI Juan Manuel Rodriguez Collo jmrodrig@atenea.ucauca.edu.co (try that)!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:34:54 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Alex Dippel Subject: emusic studies Hello all, I was just wondering if anyone out there knows of any quality electronic music studies programs like the one at American. I am graduating from college with a BS in psych in about a month (I do have a good background in music as well), and I have been trying to find out about any kind of graduate (or other) programs in the field that do not require a you to have an undergraduate degree in music. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Alex Dippel AlDip@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:05:41 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Reuben J. Ghose" Subject: # of effect processers I was just wondering how many effects processers I would need for a home studio? Do I need 1 for every channel or will I need one do for my whole setup? Any help would be appreciated. Reuben J. Ghose ghose@interlog.com Reuben J. Ghose ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:55:26 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: # of effect processers Hi Reuben... >Do I need 1 for every channel or will I need one do for my whole >setup? Well, the more FX processors you have, the greater your ability to individually process sounds, but it gets rather expensive. It depends on what you want to do. If you want a general reverb over your mix, you can use just one processor and patch it into an auxilliary send on your mixer. Then you can send a little of each channel to the processor and bring the processor's output back into the mix (via a couple of spare channels or effects returns). What I've just written does depend on your knowing about mixers, so if you aren't familiar with them, try to expreiment or get your hands on one. If you've still to buy one, any salesperson worth his or her salt should be willing to help you understand the product. Regarsd, (try again) Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:52:52 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Philip A. Frank." Subject: Re: # of effect processers Are you inquiring about recording bands (or yourself) or just for PC Music? I have a home studio (16 track analog) with a some what limited amount of effect processers and I am able to "get by". I be happy to discuss that with you however, I have not yet branched into PC Music much... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:03:03 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Tony Cappellini Subject: OB DX VS DMX Comments: To: synth-l@american.edu I believe Oberheim had a another drum machine out before the DMX. Was it the DX ?? Can somebody please tell me the differences between the two ? How do you check the Firmware revision on the DMX ? What was the last version ? Are there any *major* problems/limitations to the DMX ? Somewhere, I've seen one of these with a midi retro. Who made these ? thanks tony ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:37:49 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" Subject: Vision Does anyone know when the vision upgrade version 2.0 for ibm is coming out? i have been waiting approximately 2 months tapping my fingers?!? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:46:53 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Christoph Belau Subject: Re: # of effect processers In-Reply-To: <199604242207.SAA12657@gold.interlog.com> On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Reuben J. Ghose wrote: > I was just wondering how many effects processers I would need for a home > studio? Do I need 1 for every channel or will I need one do for my whole > setup? Any help would be appreciated. > > Reuben J. Ghose > ghose@interlog.com > Reuben J. Ghose > hi there are two fx i am always using : delay and reverb. this two i just give to the chanels wich "need it" . all other fx like flanger or chorus are just added to one channel mostly just for a short time... hope that helps ;) belau ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:26:31 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Peter K Schoenhoff Subject: Re: Vision In-Reply-To: <960424233747_477760180@emout16.mail.aol.com>; from "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" at Apr 24, 96 11:37 pm These are the graceful words of Sin Byte@Aol.Com: ->Does anyone know when the vision upgrade version 2.0 for ibm is coming out? -> i have been waiting approximately 2 months tapping my fingers?!? I've been waiting since October, but the most recent catolog I've seen (last month's) still lists 2.0 for Mac and 1.4 for Windows. -- -Pete Schoenhoff _\|/_ pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:41:44 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Peter K Schoenhoff Subject: Re: # of effect processers In-Reply-To: <199604242207.SAA12657@gold.interlog.com>; from "Reuben J. Ghose" at Apr 24, 96 6:05 pm These are the graceful words of Reuben J. Ghose: ->I was just wondering how many effects processers I would need for a home ->studio? Do I need 1 for every channel or will I need one do for my whole ->setup? Any help would be appreciated. It really depends on what you want to do. Most studio mixers have two effect send patches, which means that two effect units can be hooked to the board, each with a single effect which can be applied at varying levels to each channel on the board. My advice though, would be this: Buy *one*. You'll probably end up using it mostly for reverb. If you need additioal effects in a single mix, then record the original signal wet (with the effect), and then use the processor again when you mix down. This will do a few things for you: It will give you time to see how well you like that particular processor, it will give you time to learn how to use it, and use it well, it will likely improve your creativity (having to do more with less,) and it will give you time to decide for yourself just howmany processors *your* studio needs. Note to other engineers: I personally believe that recording a wet signal to tape is not a good practice. I generally do not like to committ to an effect&effect-level until hearing how good it will sound with the rest of the mix. All of us, though, have certainly had to record wet one time or another, and one *can* learn to make this setup work. -Hope this helps, -Pete Schoenhoff _\|/_ pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:45:22 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Peter K Schoenhoff Subject: Re: Hello everybody on e-music..... In-Reply-To: ; from "Juan Manuel Rodriguez C." at Apr 24, 96 12:06 pm These are the graceful words of Juan Manuel Rodriguez C.: ->LASTLY, since I'm a Colombian (excuse me if we're not happily famous ->worldwide) , I'm confused about confusin' words like ..... TWEAK - adjust controls until you find what you want. BTW - "by the way," FUDGE - cheat. -- -Pete Schoenhoff _\|/_ pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:41:48 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "william.b.fox" Subject: On Sound Design On SYNTH-L, "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" shouted: > BUY A SYNTH - MAKE YOUR OWN SOUNDS Since "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" is also on EMUSIC-L (as are many of us) and because I desire a more academic thoughfulness applied to my post's responses, I'm posting this here... I'd be very interested in hearing people's approaches to sound design. I'm not referring to the knob twiddling aspects of the task. I'd like to narrow the focus of this discussion to the up front intellectual aspect. How do you imagine and define the sounds you wish to implement on whatever the platform? (We can leave the actual implementation as an exercise for the reader!) Or do I have it all wrong? Are people designing by tweaking existing patches and/or experimenting with the capabilities allowed by a synth's architecture? Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:27:25 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: John Mcintyre Subject: Re: # of effect processers >From: "Reuben J. Ghose" >I was just wondering how many effects processers I would need for a home >studio? Do I need 1 for every channel or will I need one do for my whole >setup? Any help would be appreciated. The first variable is your method of recording: do you record one track at a time or everything at once or some in-between state? If you record one track at a time, then you can shift the effect chain around. If you record more than one instrument at a time, you will want more than one effect processor. Ah, forget it. You're making a fundamental error in thinking only one effects processor will be sufficent. (-8 Ask again after you've started using effects processors on your effects processors. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:00:20 PDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Fred MoTTe Subject: Re[2]: # of effect processers/compressors These are the graceful words of Reuben J. Ghose: ->I was just wondering how many effects processers I would need for a home ->studio? Do I need 1 for every channel or will I need one do for my whole ->setup? Any help would be appreciated. To continue the very interesting discussion that occured some weeks ago about compressors, I wonder how compression should be handled (that's a bit the same problem Reuben has...). I'm using synths to which I add some hard-disk recorded (distorded heavy) guitars and low bass guitar tracks. On what should I use compression ? On the final output, or should I compress the tracks when recording them on harddisk and then mix ? Compression still is a bit obscur to me as I never really had to chance to try a compressor. I've tried to play around with the compressor there's on the ZOOM 9050 guitar effect processor I have, but it's noisy, mono-input, and it cuts too much of the original signal to be acceptable. Any comments are welcome.. Fred. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:15:28 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Michael Glen Organization: Edinburgh University Subject: getting started i'm looking to get started writing funky techno/house. what is the minimum equipment i need to get ? can anyone help me out mike, the 'burgh ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:49:10 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: John Niven Greenland Subject: Re: emusic studies Alex, Where are you? Are you looking for a local course or are you able to go to it or what? Maybe I can help. John Greenland ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:27:13 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Matthew G. Champagne" Subject: Re: Vision At 11:37 PM 4/24/96, Sin Byte@Aol.Com wrote: >Does anyone know when the vision upgrade version 2.0 for ibm is coming out? > i have been waiting approximately 2 months tapping my fingers?!? For what it's worth, Opcode is famous for their vaporware, which, in all fairness, eventually *does* get released. I remember when I bought MAX v2.5.2 in 1993 that they'd announced 3.0, which didn't ship until 1995. -Matt -- Matthew Champagne: mchampagne@linknet.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:17:17 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mike Subject: PC Sequencing/digital audio Hey all, I am presently using Cakewalk Pro for windows (version 2) and I want to upgrade to a sequencer which embeds the wave files as opposed to just triggering them. I know that Cakewalk can preload the wave files but unfortunately this is really limited and the MCI command which triggers the wave files is not precise enough and vocals tend to drift. I have heard that the software that came with the Roland RAP-10 sound card gave you two seperate tracks of 16bit 44.1kHz audio that was "embedded" in the sequencer so that even if you started part way through a wave file it would still play (not to mention the fact that you could have backing vocals on a seperate track) Does anyone know of a good sequencer package that has this kind of power but will work with any sound card (in this case the Gravis Ultrasound Max) Thanks in advance, MIKE ZIN music lithium@execulink.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:14:09 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Macalester College Music Department Subject: Re: emusic studies In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:34:54 -0400" <960424163454_477393525@emout16.mail.aol.com> Alex...I am answering your qustion via the list since others may like to comment on what I say. Clearly, many places have quality programs. At the graduate level, the lack of a music degree may or may not influence your chances, depending on many things, including how rigorous you are in making application, i.e., making yourself personally known to whomever, and so forth. Some programs are very rigid, I like to think the best ones are not so, but rather are more willing to consider someone's potential. I suggest you look at: 1. CalArts - very intense propgram, big name faculty, high preassure and high quality. I have a student there now. You may be short on formal background, in their terms, but I suspect talent could carry you also. 2. Mills College. Small school, SF bay area location, strong tradition in experimental music of all kinds...perhaps flexible as to entrance. 3. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, NY. Rather "cutting edge" self image, program part of an overall graduate program in communication studies, so readily accessable video technology as well, which Mills *may* not have, but CalArts certainly does. 4. Dartmouth has a good reputation...perhaps on the "scholorly" side, though this is a gut feeling of mine with no particular evidence. Good in any case. regards +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Ed Forner Macalester College Music Department + + forner@macalstr.edu voice (612) 696-6189 + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:02:07 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Reuben J. Ghose" Subject: Re: # of effect processers >Are you inquiring about recording bands (or yourself) or just for PC Music? >I have a home studio (16 track analog) with a some what limited amount of >effect processers and I am able to "get by". I be happy to discuss that with >you however, I have not yet branched into PC Music much... > > I am talking about pc music mixed in with vocals. Any suggestions? Reuben J. Ghose ghose@interlog.com Reuben J. Ghose ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:37:25 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" Subject: Re: On Sound Design The best way I've found to use my equipment...is to try to make it do something it's not supposed to do, or better yet...can't. It takes awhile but well worth the effort. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:29:15 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: PC Sequencing/digital audio Hi All, Yes, the rap 10 software was heads above everything else out there. The drap and drop timeline midi and wav sequencer allowed faster and more exact editing than anything else out there. It shows what can be done when you rewrite and customise what started out as a midisoft product. I believe Musicator Audio allows true embeding and editing. It does support multiple soundcards at once. And Musicator notation features in some ways is the best of any pc software. Its notation from a midi file is the best of any piece of midi software out there. Happy Midi Timothy Kelly MidiVox MidiVox. Real Time Voice to Midi. Hum, Scat, Talk, Rap, Sing. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. 'MidiVox Roars.' Keyboard. AES 'Best in Show.' EM 'Editors Choice.' Can You Hum a Bass Line? Scat a Horn? Sing a Cello? Rap Some Drums? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:29:10 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: On Sound Design Hi All, I'm taking a break from custom editing some Proteus 1 sounds for my voice. At least once a week, I just like to pick a patch on some piece of gear and just randomly knob edit. This just lets my imagination go. More often I have a certain sound in mind that I am hearing inwardly. Or a descriptive name I have written down. I find writing out in words, just a short list of what characteristics I want the sound to have helpful. I always edit in real time while singing the patch. And a software editor for sound designing is a must. It allows you to see all of the preset values in real time and make changes quickly. You learn as you go, how to make a sound brighter, darker, faster, smoother, how to put emotion into it, as well as your imagination. Sound designing is a lot of fun, and one can get into it at ones own pace, and just keep going deeper and deeper into any piece of gear. Often I think sound designing is the best thing about midi. Happy Sounds Timothy Kelly MidiVox MidiVox. Real Time Voice to Midi. Hum, Scat, Talk, Rap, Sing. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. 'MidiVox Roars.' Keyboard. AES 'Best in Show.' EM 'Editors Choice.' Can You Hum a Bass Line? Scat a Horn? Sing a Cello? Rap Some Drums? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:22:33 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Art T. User" Subject: Re: Sequencer Software ? Comments: cc: Voyetra@aol.com Best PC Sequencing Software I've worked with is Voyetra's Sequencer Plus. I've had it for years and it continues to amaze me. Try Contacting Voyetra for details...they can be reached during this logon - go to Midi and then look at companies "Voyetra Technologies" Good Luck ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:25:50 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Art T. User" Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files; Atari to/from PC? I am interested in sharing some *.MID files between my PC and a Atari computer. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanking you in advance. Soundwriter ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 05:47:30 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Robert Smith Subject: Re: PC Sequencing/digital audio Cakewalk has a new product called "Cakewalk Pro Audio for Windows" ver 4.01. It does a good job of imbedding wav files. I've always like Cakewalk better than other sequencers, however, I found the mci commands pretty much useless. Now Cakewalk has true DAW capability. -rls ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:53:14 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Peter K Schoenhoff Subject: Re: Re[2]: # of effect processers/compressors In-Reply-To: <9603258304.AA830444788@smtpgate.mindscape.com>; from "Fred MoTTe" at Apr 25, 96 5:00 pm These are the graceful words of Fred MoTTe: ->about compressors, I wonder how compression should be handled (that's a bit ->the same problem Reuben has...). I'm using synths to which I add some ->hard-disk recorded (distorded heavy) guitars and low bass guitar tracks. On ->what should I use compression ? On the final output, or should I compress the ->tracks when recording them on harddisk and then mix ? I would not use a compressor on a final mix. A compressor narrows dynamic range. This can be useful for bass. A bass generally has a loud attack, but hen dies off quickly. With a compressor, that attack can be made much softer, (a compressor quiets the loud parts) and then the entire track can be amplified. The bass *now* sounds like it has a longer sustain. This can also be useful with vocals: - A scream doesn't overpower the mix, and a whisper can still be heard. If you apply the compressor to the overall mix, though, you are severely limiting what kind of dynamic statements the entire ensemble can make. -HTH -- -Pete Schoenhoff _\|/_ pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:27:17 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Jon H. Appleton" Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 25 Apr 1996 to 26 Apr 1996 --- You wrote: Dartmouth has a good reputation...perhaps on the "scholorly" side, though this is a gut feeling of mine with no particular evidence. Good in any case. --- end of quoted material --- Thanks Ed: Our small program in electro-acoustic music at Dartmouth is scholarly only in the sense that we try to produce articulate professionals. Our degree is a Master of Arts in Electro-Acoustic Music. We accept students with bachelor degrees (or equivalent) in music, computer science, physics, or engineering. We seek musicians who are interested in computer science and scientists who want to make music. Our objective is to train people in as many areas as possible - artistic and technical - so that they are prepared to face the changing future of music technology. Some of our graduates work in the music industry writing music software, designing hardware, composing and performing, and working in related digital audio fields. Our students come to us from institutions as diverse as the Moscow Conservatory of Music, Harvard, Brigham Young, Oberlin, etc. We welcome international students and recent graduates have come from Brazil, Cuba, Canada, Japan and Russia. Besides myself, our faculty includes Charles Dodge, Larry Polansky, Christian Wolff, Jamshed Bharucha (Music Cognition), and Michael Sturge (Acoustics). We collaborate with the Department of Computer Science and the Thayer School of Engineering. We accept three students each year. We offer full tuition fellowships to all students we accept as well as scholarships for living expenses. Applications may be obtained by writing to me: Jon Appleton Arthur R. Virgin Professor of Music Chair, Department of Music Dartmouth College Hanover, NH 03755 USA e-mail: jon.appleton@dartmouth.edu or Dee Copley Graduate Program in Electro-Acoustic Music Dartmouth College Hanover, NH 03755 USA e-mail: dee.copley@dartmouth.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:23:52 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "william.b.fox" Subject: Re: On Sound Design In response to my question: > How do you imagine and define the sounds... "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" recommends: > The best way I've found to use my equipment...is to try to make it do > something it's not supposed to do, or better yet...can't. It takes awhile > but well worth the effort. Ah, the knob twiddling approach. Set a course and go, just for the glee of discovery. Perfectly valid approach to my mind. Timothy Kelly said: > At least once a week, I just like to pick a patch on some piece of > gear and just randomly knob edit. This just lets my imagination go. Steve Allen reportedly writes a song every day. There's a lot to be said about developing the discipline to JFDI (Just * Do It). This is probably one of my greatest shortcomings in life! > More often I have a certain sound in mind that I am hearing inwardly. Or > a descriptive name I have written down. I find writing out in words, just a > short list of what characteristics I want the sound to have helpful. Yes! But how do you get that inwardly heard certain sound in mind in the first place? I think we're getting closer to the muse, here. Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:39:21 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "william.b.fox" Subject: Re: getting started > Subject: EMUSIC-L Digest - 25 Apr 1996 to 26 Apr 1996 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:15:28 +0000 > From: Michael Glen > Subject: getting started > > i'm looking to get started writing funky techno/house. > what is the minimum equipment i need to get ? > can anyone help me out > > mike, the 'burgh > ------------------------------ > End of EMUSIC-L Digest - 25 Apr 1996 to 26 Apr 1996 > *************************************************** Not to sound cheeky, but you already have the first and most important tool; desire. You probably also have CDs (tapes, LPs, whatever) in the genre of choice and a means to listen to them. Next, you should talk to people DOING the music (or read about them) and decide if the music is based around sequencing or real-time playing. (Or some combination?) Next, get an instrument crucial to the genre and learn it inside out. (For example: Rock without a guitar is rare. It doesn't matter as much what kind of guitar it is. I propose that the same is true with funky techno/house. If the keyboard is the tool, which one isn't as important as the fact that there is one at all.) Now you can start to write. The cool thing about writing is you don't need anything more than one instrument and your brain. However, you may need more (not always!) in order to implement what you write. And knowledge of the other instruments used in your genre helps a lot, too. Live long and funky! Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:59:39 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Zenon M. Feszczak" Subject: Re: Hard disk recording >Hello all, > > I have been doing music in my home midi-studio for a number of years. I >have been synching my sequencer tracks to an 8 track analog deck and adding >audio there. I've been considering going to a hard disk recording system. >With all the options out there it is hard to know which is the best way to >go. I've seen some hardware based systems that all look very interesting and >most importantly, are affordable, such as Vestax, Akai,Roland,Fostex. I'm >not very familiar with the software based systems available.I am trying to >determine which will give me the most for my money, a modular system or >software based system. Right now I have a Pentium-75 system which I am >increasing to 16 megs RAM. I am hoping to get some feedback from people who >have experience with either system to hopefully narrow the field for me. > If this is not the right list for this, perhaps someone could steer me in >the right direction. > > Thanks, > > James Gleckler Seems like the latest Roland VS-880 is the state of the art. About $2000. 8 tracks with 8 virtual tracks each. Built in hard-drive or removable Jaz drive. Portable. No computer required. 3 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:12:05 EST Reply-To: mbriggs@ix.netcom.com Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Michael V. Briggs" Subject: Re: On Sound Design "Sin Byte@Aol.Com" wrote: > The best way I've found to use my equipment...is to try to make it do > something it's not supposed to do, or better yet...can't. It takes > awhile but well worth the effort. Reminds me of an effects pedal review I read last night in Guitar Player: "Ordinarily you have to break something to get a tone this cool." Michael Briggs mbriggs@ix.netcom.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:04:58 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mike Subject: Re: PC Sequencing/digital audio >Hi All, > Yes, the rap 10 software was heads above everything else out there. > The drap and drop timeline midi and wav sequencer allowed faster and more >exact editing than anything else out there. It shows what can be done when >you rewrite and customise what started out as a midisoft product. > I believe Musicator Audio allows true embeding and editing. It does >support multiple soundcards at once. And Musicator notation features in some >ways is the best of any pc software. Its notation from a midi file is the >best of any piece of midi software out there. Is anyone out there actually using the RAP 10 and the software that came with it? Also, would it be possible to reconfigure the software to work with other sound cards? Would it even be worth it? MIKE ZIN music lithium@execulink.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:44:30 EST Reply-To: mbriggs@ix.netcom.com Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Michael V. Briggs" Subject: Re: Hard disk recording In reply to: >> I've been considering going to a hard disk recording system. >> With all the options out there it is hard to know which is the best >> way to go. >> If this is not the right list for this, perhaps someone could steer >> me in the right direction. This is a little off-topic for this list. We try to keep gear discussions on the SYNTH-L list. (To subscribe, send a msg reading "sub SYNTH-L" to listserv@american.edu.) An even better resource for audio questions is the rec.audio.pro newsgroup. There have been several interesting and informative threads on this subject lately, including lots of talk about the Roland VS-880. After reading all the info I could find and bugging the local music stores, I bought a VS-880 two days ago. I'll be posting my first impressions to SYNTH-L and rec.audio.pro later today. Michael Briggs mbriggs@ix.netcom.com "Does it work? Of course not. But it doesn't work less badly than before" - Nick Rothwell ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:19:26 +0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Andre Fischmann Organization: Lycee Polytechnique - Mauritius Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files; Atari to/from PC? Art T. User wrote: > > I am interested in sharing some *.MID files between my PC and a Atari > computer. Anybody have any suggestions? > > Thanking you in advance. > > Soundwriter I'm not sure I understand very well (I geberally speak french or Spanish). I have a PC (Pentium, Windows 95) and an Atari (MEGA ST4) and I share my files like this. You can format a 3"1/2 floppy in 720 kbytes in the PC, and this disk can be read by the Atari. You can then put any midi file on the disc, just don't use long file names... If you have problems, mail me You can so put a midi cable or 2 between the comuters, but it seems more difficult. -- Andre Fischmann & Diana Silva Santisteban - Fischmann fischman@netbox.com or fischman@bow.intnet.mu French man & peruvian girl living in Mauritius Island (tel. & fax 230-6963393) Interests : Music (sax, flute, keyboard, MIDI...), latin civilisation, Children, Atari - PC... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 10:31:48 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Re[2]: # of effect processers/compressors Hi all, Pete Schoenoff said: > I would not use a compressor on a final mix. A compressor narrows > dynamic range. This can be useful for bass. A bass generally has a loud > attack, but hen dies off quickly. With a compressor, that attack can be > made much softer, (a compressor quiets the loud parts) and then the entire > track can be amplified. The bass *now* sounds like it has a longer sustain. [...] > If you apply the compressor to the overall mix, though, you are > severely limiting what kind of dynamic statements the entire ensemble can > make. Depeds on what you're trying to do. Ever heard Dionne Farris' "I Know"? dynamic range of about 2dB! A trick I picked uI[xBBp recently is to b< ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 10:34:31 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Re[2]: # of effect processers/compressors Sorry folks, my phone link just crapped out, resulting in... > A trick I picked -}uI[xBBp recently is to As I was saying, a trick is to send a mix to a stereo compressor and bring the compressed version back in under your main mix. Sometimes it adds just a little more presence, without squashing everything. You need something nice , though, like old Ureis or a dbx 162. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:27:52 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Gerry Pawluk Subject: EQ Would an EQ unit make a difference in final mixdown, in light of EQ knobs available on mixers and multi-track recorders? Any comments would be appreciated. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:41:43 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Art T. User" Subject: Re: Sending Midi Files; Atari to/from PC? Thank you for the info; life in the islands must be great. I live near the Colorado Rockies (Mountains); with the snow covered mountains in the distance... Thanks Again Merci ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:33:54 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nathanael W Berry Subject: Re[2]: # of effect processers/compressors >From: Fred MoTTe >...). I'm using synths to which I add some > hard-disk recorded (distorded heavy) guitars and low bass guitar tracks. On > what should I use compression ? On the final output, or should I compress the > tracks when recording them on harddisk and then mix ?... > Compression still is a bit obscur to me as I never really had to chance > to try a compressor. If your recordings are strictly hard disk, you could use "digital compression" in your final mix. Unless you are looking for a specific compression response (by your message I assume you are not! :) or do not have the digital tools to perform the compression, there does not seem to be much need for a compressor. Having said that...using a limiter in front of your digital recordings allows you to run hotter signals without (ok, with less) fear of exceeding 0db, making better use of the dynamic range of your digital recordings. If you cannot, or find it inconvenient to perform digital compression on your mixdown to (analog) tape (to account for the reduced dynamic range) you may want to use a compressor - particularly if you're mixing to cassette. The dynamic range of your music will dictate what you can get away with. If you regularly use 80db on your disk system, it aint-a-gona fit on a cassette. You'll lose the lower 20-30db. This is where a compressor can come in handy, to squish (compress?!?) the 80db into 50db. If your recordings only use 50db dynamic range, jst set the levels properly and you should be ok. On the subject of how many/what processors, I could suggest two scenarios: 1) Pick up a used "yesterdays technology box" on the order of the Alesis, Digitech, or ART effects boxes that can be had for $50 - 100 US. Midi capability is nice, minimally for patch changes. These boxes tend to be a bit noisy (IMO Alesis is quietest, but for effects other than reverb is not the best) but used at low levels can be quite usefull. Play around and see what works for you. 2) Grab one of the latest round of moderately priced true stereo units. These boxes are quite quiet and have plenty of features and flexibility. The dual processing mode may get you further in realtime situations. Again...play around. I have found that unless you invest big bucks, what you will get is almost unsellable by the time you exceed its capabilities. Over time, this leads to a stack of effects processors that are worth keeping around just for those times when... I have four multi effects boxes ranging from an ART Proverb200 to an Ensoniq DP4. The DP4 is clearly the champion of the bunch, but the 200 can still add a bit of useful reverb to a syth pad when needed. There's a couple weeks worth of list bandwidth! Good Luck Nate ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:22:02 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds. >> More often I have a certain sound in mind that I am hearing inwardly. Or >> a descriptive name I have written down. I find writing out in words, just a >> short list of what characteristics I want the sound to have helpful. > >Yes! But how do you get that inwardly heard certain sound in mind in >the first place? I think we're getting closer to the muse, here. > >Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com Hi All, You bypass the mind in some way. The mind doesn't have the ability to come up with or hear anything new. Its just a living computer/recorder for storage. Its the imagination that creates and can hear, and nudge you to do new things with music and sound. You somehow feed this childlike muse ideas. Audible, written, visual, and you follow through on the creative leaps it offers you. Often just doing something for the pure fun of it can still the mind so that something from the imagination comes through. Eat a favorite food, see a movie, make love, daydream, improvise, kick back. Also, I find editing a little right before going to bed, I have a dream about a sound, or hear a sound. Then on waking up I write the info down. One can also do this with daydreaming as well as nite dreaming. The imagination and using it for sound editing can be exercised and developed like any other skill. If you really get stuck, invite a couple of kids over and watch them just go at it. Another fun thing is to just imagine yourself being sound. What sounds would you be like? Why? Happy Sounds Timothy Kelly MidiVox -- MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays. Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some Drums, Sing a Cello. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars." Keyboard. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:35:05 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Rap 10 software rewrite. Hi All, No need to try to rewrite the rap10 software. MidiSoft still makes the Sound Impressions software. Not as fancy, but works with most soundcards. About $90-100. US. The Rap 10 sold well for a non Soundblaster soundcard. Have we reached the point now, where superstar musicans will start endorsing soundcards? Anyone out there making soundcards, send them to me, I'll be glad to test them and endorse them if they are good soundcards. Happy Midi Timothy Kelly MidiVox -- MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays. Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some Drums, Sing a Cello. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars." Keyboard. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 10:21:54 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: On Sound Design >I'd be very interested in hearing people's approaches to sound design. >I'm not referring to the knob twiddling aspects of the task. I'd like >to narrow the focus of this discussion to the up front intellectual >aspect. I think of it as an exploration of the available "space" of all possible sounds. Sometimes you're in a nice neighbourhood and want to tweak something to get closer to the sound in your head. At other times it's a case of teleporting somewhere; sometimes in a definite direction, sometimes randomly. >Are people >designing by tweaking existing patches and/or experimenting with the >capabilities allowed by a synth's architecture? Yes. And either process can be either a localised exploration or a teleportation jump. Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL contemporary dance projects http://www.cassiel.com music synthesis and control years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:17:19 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Gregory Jenkins Subject: FSK and SMPTE In-Reply-To: <199604270500.BAA54383@atlanta.american.edu> Does anyone know the difference between synching to tape with FSK and synching with SMPTE?? I have an old Voyetra OP-4001 midi card that supports FSK but my sequencing software only supports SMPTE. I don't know what to do at this point and would appreciate *any* input. ___________________________________________________________ | gjenkins@delphi.umd.edu | University of | | Greg Jenkins | Maryland | ----------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 14:21:31 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Shlomo Kunkel Subject: Upgrading my K2000 I am in the ministry and compose and arrange most of the music we sing. I have a K2000 that has only what came with it from the factory. I have upgraded the software to Version 3. What do I need to add to get more orchestra sounds? Do I need to add more memory, if so, how much? What about Simms? I'm constantly running out of polyphony! What do I do to get plenty of polyphony so I can write full orchestrations without losing anything? My PC also has a CD Rom 4 speed drive. Will this CD run samples into my K2000, or do I need a different CD Rom? Finally, I want to create a high quality, home recording studio. All I have at the present is: K2000 keyboard, JV1000 keyboard, 486 Pentium (8 meg) computer with a 4 speed CD Rom. I also use Cakewalk Sequecing Software and Finale Notation Software. Please recommend what else I need to begin putting out some good recordings. I'm a vocalist, as well, so I need suggestions on vocal mics, etc. Thanks Shlomo ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:17:55 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Vivian C. Stoll" Subject: Re: emusic studies New York University offers Bachelors and a Masters programs in music technology and I know you don't need a Bachelor of Music to go into the masters program there. The masters program focuses on both music and mostly digital technology for audio but to graduate you do have to take music theory and music history comprehensive exams. I'm just completing the Bachelor's music tech program there and many of the grad students are taking undergrad classes to catch up on some of the basics they need to know like recording tecnology, signal flow and music courses. A music background helps but isn't necessary. Cal Arts has a program as well. I know that the composer Morton Subotnick is part of that program but I don't know much more about it. Good luck in your search!