From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Jun 13 11:19:12 1996 Received: from atlanta.american.edu (atlanta.american.edu [147.9.1.6]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA24545 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlanta (atlanta.american.edu [147.9.1.6]) by atlanta.american.edu (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA78213 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:02:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199606131502.LAA78213@atlanta.american.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:02:28 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8b)" Subject: File: "EMUSIC-L LOG9604E" To: Joe McMahon X-Status: Status: O ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 02:06:53 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Bacil C. Warren" Subject: Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds. Hi, all-- Tim Kelly wrote: You bypass the mind in some way. The mind doesn't have the ability to come up with or hear anything new. Its just a living computer/recorder for storage. Its the imagination that creates and can hear, and nudge you to do new things with music and sound. You somehow feed this childlike muse ideas. Audible, written, visual, and you follow through on the creative leaps it offers you. Often just doing something for the pure fun of it can still the mind so that something from the imagination comes through. Eat a favorite food, see a movie, make love, daydream, improvise, kick back. Also, I find editing a little right before going to bed, I have a dream about a sound, or hear a sound. Then on waking up I write the info down. One can also do this with daydreaming as well as nite dreaming. The imagination and using it for sound editing can be exercised and developed like any other skill. If you really get stuck, invite a couple of kids over and watch them just go at it. Another fun thing is to just imagine yourself being sound. What sounds would you be like? Why? If not in the brain (mind), where does imagination reside? That is a basic flaw in an otherwise excellent statement. I love the imagery; you obviously have an excellent imagination. Help me understand what you see as the difference. --Chris ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:52:40 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Andrew Whittle. AWhit." Subject: MIDI files to exchange Does anyone have any good MIDI files to exchange? I have many .MID files and most are quite good. I have composed one of my own with a friend. It is only a minute long, but for someone who only got to grade one in their Piano exams, this was an achievment. It is quite good, and has been added to a MIDI download list on the Software Libraries of AOL. I am only 13 years old, but I'm now learning the guitar and hope to compose many future songs. If anyone has any MIDI files to exchange please mail me on Andysmoke@aol.com TTFN Andrew Whittle, Wirral, England ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 16:15:45 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Art T. User" Subject: Re: MIDI files to exchange I AM IN THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING MY FIRST CD. PLEASE FORWARD ANY DEMO TAPES (COPYWRITTEN MATERIAL ONLY) TO: SOUNDWRITER PRODUCTIONS P.O. BOX 3773 ENGLEWOOD, COLORADO 80155-3773 REGARDS ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:57:34 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds 2 >If not in the brain (mind), where does imagination reside? >That is a basic flaw in an otherwise excellent statement. I love the imagery; >you obviously have an excellent imagination. Help me understand what you see >as the difference. > >--Chris Hi All, The mind is just an organic computer. It records whatever we put into it, information, habits, etc. When the body dies, so does the mind. The imagination is that spiritual part of ourselves, our true selves, that does not need the body or the mind, which we just borrow for a lifetime. I call this Soul. Soul leaves the body at death and goes elsewhere to have different experiences. The imagination or Soul, is what can and does create things, hunches, intuition, deju va, the ability to make imaginative leaps, these are spiritual skills, actually creating things. The mind can never come up with a new ideas or create anything. Only Soul can. Soul can dream, daydream, fantasize, have a vision, set goals for the future, ete. Its that small childlike ability to be in the here and now. The mind can only playback the past and store the present. The mind has no ability to future anything. Mind can be taught motor skills, or how to muscle playback say learning to play an musical instrument. Soul imagines being able to play and gives one the new desire to study music. Mind can learn how to push buttons to edit a synth sound. Only Soul can hear and play the inner sound one is trying to get and let mind know, yeah thats it, lets save it. Mind can record and learn to imitate some other composer. Soul can give you the divine inspiration for your own compositions. So, without Soul, imagination, there would be no music, no art, no dance, no great inventions, no wondering about like after death, no love, no synths, no computers, no laughter, no exploring. No Intenet, no creativity, no imagination. Happy Imagination Timothy Kelly MidiVox MidiVox. Real Time Voice to Midi. Hum, Scat, Talk, Rap, Sing. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. 'MidiVox Roars.' Keyboard. AES 'Best in Show.' EM 'Editors Choice.' Can You Hum a Bass Line? Scat a Horn? Sing a Cello? Rap Some Drums? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 01:16:05 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: christine annette jackson Subject: Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds 2 In-Reply-To: <199604290257.TAA03799@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, Timothy Kelly wrote: > The imagination is that spiritual part of ourselves, our true selves, > that does not need the body or the mind, which we just borrow for a > lifetime. I call this Soul. Soul leaves the body at death and goes elsewhere > to have different experiences. > The imagination or Soul, is what can and does create things, hunches, > intuition, deju va, the ability to make imaginative leaps, these are > spiritual skills, actually creating things. > The mind can never come up with a new ideas or create anything. > Only Soul can. Soul can dream, daydream, fantasize, have a vision, set > goals for the future, ete. Its that small childlike ability to be in the > here and now. > The mind can only playback the past and store the present. The mind has > no ability to future anything. > Mind can be taught motor skills, or how to muscle playback say learning > to play an musical instrument. Soul imagines being able to play and gives > one the new desire to study music. > Mind can learn how to push buttons to edit a synth sound. Only Soul can > hear and play the inner sound one is trying to get and let mind know, yeah > thats it, lets save it. > Mind can record and learn to imitate some other composer. Soul can give > you the divine inspiration for your own compositions. > So, without Soul, imagination, there would be no music, no art, no dance, > no great inventions, no wondering about like after death, no love, no > synths, no computers, no laughter, no exploring. No Intenet, no creativity, > no imagination. So, Timothy -- where would you say that "emotions" fit into your figuring of the creation of sounds? You divide mind and soul -- would "emotion" be a separate entity, also, being an altogether different origin of influence to the creator? Bambi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 15:29:51 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jesus Tejada Subject: Re: FSK and SMPTE >Does anyone know the difference between synching to tape with FSK >and synching with SMPTE?? I have an old Voyetra OP-4001 midi card that >supports FSK but my sequencing software only supports SMPTE. I don't know >what to do at this point and would appreciate *any* input. > > > >___________________________________________________________ >| gjenkins@delphi.umd.edu | University of | >| Greg Jenkins | Maryland | >----------------------------------------------------------- Difference is that FSK is an analogical longitudinal format, but SMPTE is a digital transversal format of sync signals. It's no matter your format if you intend working with soft and cards: you'll never need it in sequencing. Other matter is if you intend working with another source that requires sincronization, like video. Hope this helps. Jesus Tejada Professor of Music Technology Dpt. of Artistic Expression University of La Rioja C/ Luis de Ulloa s/n E-26004 Logrono Spain ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:35:44 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mike Subject: Re: FSK and SMPTE >>Does anyone know the difference between synching to tape with FSK >>and synching with SMPTE?? I have an old Voyetra OP-4001 midi card that >>supports FSK but my sequencing software only supports SMPTE. I don't know >>what to do at this point and would appreciate *any* input. >> Some midi interfaces (like the Music Quest 2port/SE can actaully read both formats) Older versions of Cakewalk will sync with FSK. Hope this helps. MIKE ZIN music lithium@execulink.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:03:35 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds 2 >So, Timothy -- where would you say that "emotions" fit into your figuring of >the creation of sounds? You divide mind and soul -- would "emotion" be a >separate entity, also, being an altogether different origin of influence >to the creator? > >Bambi > Hi Bambi, All. Positive emotions are spiritual qualities. Love, Joy, happiness, trust, forgiveness, giving, etc. Negative emotions are reactions too often caused by the mind playing back a negative experience so we believe it is happening to us again. Hate, anger, mistrust, lying, deception, desire to have power and control over others, etc. In terms of music, music written with joy and zest, to uplift one, open the heart centers, music to heal, music written for the sheer love of sound, dance music that recharges one with happiness. Music that makes one feel better physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually after listening to it. Is music that has positive emotional energy in it. In terms of pop music, love ballads that are happy, dance rhythms that are in harmony with the heartbeat, brainwaves, and the bodys natural rhythms. Positve songs. There is a lot of negative energy music out there. Music that makes one feel worst physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. Heavy death metal, also the drug style of rock and roll, written by those on drugs, written to drug the listener, to encourage them to use drugs. Negitive street music, all about being victims, and using death, violence, to solve problems, encouraging people to do violent things. The depressing kinds of Country/Western where people are stuck in soap opera problems of their own making, again victim music, that exists just to sell cigarettes and beer. Each style of music has its positive and negative sides. One should be aware of this, both as a listener and as a composer. One advantage of emusic is that synths allow one such a broad range of emotional and tone color expression that one can sonicly get as uplifting or as dark and depressing as one wants. In terms of sound design, single sounds can have a punch, or a caress, can open us outwardly or cause us to cringe back away inside. Can be loving, funny, can run the whole guantlet of expression from positive to negative. Music and sound can touch one in ways nothing else can. Sound design, how we combine and use sounds in emusic, is a lot of fun, but it also carrys along with it, being responsible for what we do sound wise and how it affects others and ourselves. Most emusic musicans I have met are in it for the sonic freedom and the sheer love of sound. I avoid those who are into using music to get power and control over others, or to manipulate those into doing something very destructive. Enjoy both your inner and outer sounds. Happy Emusic Timothy Kelly MidiVox -- MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays. Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some Drums, Sing a Cello. Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller. AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars." Keyboard. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:24:33 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Andrew Whittle. AWhit." Subject: Re: MIDI files to exchange In a message dated 28/04/96 20:26:37, Soundwrite@aol.com wrote: >I AM IN THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING MY FIRST CD. PLEASE FORWARD ANY DEMO TAPES >(COPYWRITTEN MATERIAL ONLY) TO: > >SOUNDWRITER PRODUCTIONS >P.O. BOX 3773 >ENGLEWOOD, COLORADO 80155-3773 > >REGARDS This is a reply to my mail titled 'MIDI files to exchange'. I have only written one MIDI file that is one minute long and I live in England, so I can't send demo tapes to Colarado, besides the fact I haven't got any demo tapes (unless you want to hear my singing)! Andrew Whittle, Wirral, England ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:03:30 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Randy Hogg Subject: connect BOSS DR-5 to Cakewalk Hi. I've been reading this list for awhile and haven't seen much on the BOSS DR-5. I like it's drum sounds, but when I play the drum track through Cakewalk on my HP PC, it sounds terrible and a lot of the drum sounds don't come across at all. I'm wondering if the CS4232 sound card from Crystal that came on the HP is the problem or am I missing something obvious. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Randy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:47:42 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Frank Coder Subject: notation database Does anyone on this list know of a database for notation? I collect folk songs for classroom (elementary music) and need a way classify and retrieve them according to the most difficult rhythmic and melodic pattern in the song. Right now I'm using a very cumbersome and inadequate alfabetical coding system on a regular text database. It worked ok when I had about 300 songs, but at 1200+, it's a pain. Thanks for any help. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:30:10 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "John C. Witzgall" Subject: Re: notation database Sorry y'all .... but me too . ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:41:06 +0200 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jesus Tejada Subject: Re: notation database >Does anyone on this list know of a database for notation? I collect folk >songs for classroom (elementary music) and need a way classify and >retrieve them according to the most difficult rhythmic and melodic >pattern in the song. Right now I'm using a very cumbersome and >inadequate alfabetical coding system on a regular text database. It >worked ok when I had about 300 songs, but at 1200+, it's a pain. Thanks >for any help. Dear Frank, Try FileMaker Pro Jesus Tejada Professor of Music Technology Dpt. of Artistic Expression University of La Rioja C/ Luis de Ulloa s/n E-26004 Logrono Spain ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:31:36 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: ARTEMATICA Subject: Industrial -- [ From: ARTEMATICA * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Industrial esthetics. Industrial ethics. Industrial art. Industrial cinematography. Industrial photography. Industrial poetry. Industrial theater. Industrial philosophy. Industrial fields. Industrial literature. Industrial architecture. Industrial mode. Industrial sex. Industrial industrial. Where can I mail lists and news groups about it? Thank you. ARTEMATICA@tst.hnet.es ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:40:59 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mike Subject: Re: connect BOSS DR-5 to Cakewalk >Hi. > I've been reading this list for awhile and haven't seen much on the BOSS >DR-5. I like it's drum sounds, but when I play the drum track through >Cakewalk on my HP PC, it sounds terrible and a lot of the drum sounds don't >come across at all. I'm wondering if the CS4232 sound card from Crystal that >came on the HP is the problem or am I missing something obvious. Any ideas? > Thanks in advance. >Randy > Do you mean the DR-550? If so, the only problem I had using it was that I couldn't access a couple sounds from the keyboard (like the scratch sound). MIKE ZIN music lithium@execulink.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:17:31 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Kirk Malay Subject: Re: Rap 10 software rewrite. Hello I have the RAP-10 and a Soundbalster and with both I can do just about any thing. I also produce software and maybe we can do something. If you write back we'll talk more. write me at my other address ultimate@wizard.com thanks Kirk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:26:06 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Alan M. Bookmiller" Subject: Re: On Sound Design, hearing inner sounds 2 Thought you might enjoy the following on this thread - From the early sixties. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ "Reminisce Composers" A song in minor key becomes a surgeons blade opening my heaving chest. The untrained hands of the listeners enter and grasp my pounding, thrashing heart. Pulling, tugging, until viens and vessels are straining taut as a musical string, plucking, tuning higher, higher. Pain! Pain, shooting into my brain, snaking behind my eyes, pulsing behind my motivation. Am I dreaming this terrible yet somehow mystifyingly beautiful melody? Please, allow me imagination! Divinity, I pray, bestow upon me, the inner sound. I fear my life will be spilled forth useless upon barren ground! Life's sweat, life's blood, squeezed from the mud, will be used to pen my epitaph. Composer. Oh, deeper, and deeper I slide into peaceful darkness. Euphony awaits patiently at the bottom of a still fresh grave. That tomb dug deep by orchestral temerity; the spade, the inner sound. Moist earth tumbles-in, cool upon my cheek, I am pronounced acoustically dead. I am draped with layers of dank and yellowing manuscript. My instrument is laid next to me. A tear merges with composer's ink and slowly trickles black down my face, pooling at the corner of my pale lips. "Warpaint for the old staff sergeant," whispers bystanders above the deafening inner sound. I watch through closed eyes at their lips parting, their tongues moving, slightly. Who are they, why are they here? Critics? Judges of the soul? Counters of a life's worth? Do they tally my mistakes or my contributions? Do they recommend, and to whom? What do they want from me now? I can no longer create music! Ah!... they are the mourners of dead composers. Dead as strings in a decrepit piano, entwined and rusty, no longer ringing recognizeable, now a mere metallic thump when a key is caressed. Vibrationless. Gathered, standing, shifting, they mourn. But, what is to be missed? Is something more lost than simply a life with the passing of a composer? With turned down eyes, they sense a lifeline broken, all drifting further, and further from that once tethered... the inner sound. Listeners now listen. Echoing amongst the canyons of lost art, a lost rhythm. Sound, silence, sound, silence, sound, silence... silence. Rhythmist be warned of the silence. Composers pass on, to wander in all time through the mist of creations, and I, I now take up their search. Seeking, waiting, seeking, waiting... waiting. To be reborn, renewed, through chordal perfection. I pass the baton to the younger wise, blessed with inner sound. I leave now to craft yet another sound, another rhythm, another presence. Imagination is my lasting salvation. I imagine my works faultless. Note by note I toil, building that song in minor key. My gift indeed. We, as masons, each alone in search of ethereal harmony, gather mortar and stone along our sojourn. We alone, erect our castles, and raise our monuments. We long to kiss goodnight once and for all time, our muse, reminisce composers. To roll up slowly one last time, with care and caution, to store away forever our tattered chart, our guide, our blueprint... the inner sound. M. Snoebaer, 1964 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Alan Bookmiller tabbooks@pa.net (Alan M. Bookmiller) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:07:09 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Eric Harnden (Ronin)" Subject: dichotomy i notice that Mr. Midivox's taxonomy applies the term "mind" to a description that most of us would associate simply with "brain" (the whole information processing engine thing), and attributes to "soul" those experiences of our higher-order consciousness that some of us might associate simply with "mind" (imagination, etc). if one knocks one redundant level of syntactical obfuscation out from under his description and properly labels the brain (the information processing engine) as "the brain", then one can address the processes of the imagination (higher-order experiences) without reference to the soul at all. sorry... "redundant level of syntactical obfuscation" is a bit thick, isn't it? all i mean to say is that one should keep one's terms straight and one's logical levels distinct. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:15:18 EDT Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Eric Harnden (Ronin)" Subject: fsk/smpte hmmm... a bit of confusion, here, i see... FSK is a frequency-modulated carrier tone that doesn't provide much information but can be recorded to tape. it usually communictes (damn) communicates start/stop and tempo, and the tempo is embedded in the synch signal itself. many devices still use it for basic synch capability without a lot of brains. SMPTE comes in two flavors, the most common of which, LTC (longtiudinal time code), is also a modulated carrier tone that can be recorded on tape. the difference is that the information encoded is more complex. its main function is to "time-stamp" each 1/30th of a second on a tape, allowing not just start/stop cability but an absolute addressing mechanism. the mechanism is tempo independent. regardless of what the tempo of your music is, 15 seconds is still 15 seconds. most systems now synch to a SMPTE signal. when doing audio work that must connect up with anything else (multiple audio decks, linked computers, video, etc.) it is a must. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:33:19 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: dichotomy HI folks... > redundant level of syntactical obfuscation etc. Harnden to the rescue! And here was I waiting for a psychologist to dip in! Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:16:10 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Art T. User" Subject: Re: MIDI files to exchange I will be in London this fall, shopping a distribution deal for my CD Release. Regards