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Date:         Tue, 7 May 1996 19:34:38 +0100
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From:         Tony Alexander <alex_f@GLOBALNET.CO.UK>
Subject:      BANDS

WELL HELLO!
                        DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY GIFS OR BMPS OR JPEGS OF
LIGHTNING SEEDS OR GARBAGE?   OR KNOW THE WEB PAGES OF THEM?
If you do mail me on
alex_f@globalnet.co.uk
O.K

THANKYOU
JAMES. A

p.s have you got any midi files of them ?
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Date:         Tue, 7 May 1996 15:31:18 -0400
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From:         "Andrew Whittle. AWhit." <Andysmoke@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Just to say thanks!

I just want to say thanks to everyone who answered my request for MIDI files
a while back.  Especially the ones who sent me some files.  If anyone else
has any to exchange, mail me Andysmoke@aol.com  If I can be of any help to
anyone in finding any sort of MIDI files, just ask.  I have plenty of all
sorts.

Thanks again,
Andy Whittle, Wirral, England
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Date:         Tue, 7 May 1996 09:52:00 -0700
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From:         Peter Mueller <Peter_Mueller@UCSDLIBRARY.UCSD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 12 Tone Tutorial
Comments: To: bambij@UNM.EDU

A while back (quite a while back!) someone offered to write up a short
lesson  on 12 Tone Theory for this list.  I was wondering if that ever got
written up and posted...  Or if anyone remembers who offered that...
(Sorry but I have been preoccupied and not keeping up with the list...)

A very interested party -
Bambi
     You might want to look at the last article at
     http://www.hyperion.com/ftp/pub/gems/index.html
     If you want some recommended books let me know. The information on the
     subject is pretty vast, and ranges from an introduction (such as the
     article above), to stuff that is very dense. -Peter
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 01:58:12 +0100
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From:         "D.M.Kelly" <D.M.Kelly@UEA.AC.UK>
Subject:      Electric Oboe

Does anyone know of any transducers / contact mic systems for micing up the
oboe effectively?

[Aaron... you there?!)

I've recently had an hour-long piece written for me for oboe/cor anglais,
saxophone, piano, acoustic bass and kit but we need to balance the sound!

Any advice would be muchly appreciated,

dominic.

PS Please reply personally as well as to the list - I'm not sure whether
the node at his end is receiving mail from the list at the moment.
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 12:08:00 GMT
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From:         Paul Hallett <HallettP@POOLE.SIEMENS.CO.UK>
Subject:      Sound fonts

Does anyone know where on the Internet I can get some soundfont (*.SBK)
files from?
(For SB AWE32)

Thanks.

Paul Hallett
HallettP@poole.siemens.co.uk
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 08:47:02 EDT
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From:         Constance Cochran <COCPROFS@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Seeking a Composer
In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 8 May 1996 12:08:00 GMT from
              <HallettP@POOLE.SIEMENS.CO.UK>

I am new to this list and have subscribed in hopes of getting help in
locating the correct spelling of a contemporary composer's name, and infor-
mation about his work. Is this an appropriate location for that sort of
inquiry, or can you direct me to one? Thank you very much.

Julia Cochran
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 10:06:25 CST
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From:         harry haecker <haeckerh@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Seeking a Composer

>[need] help in locating the correct spelling of a contemporary composer's
>name, and information about his work. Is this an appropriate location for
>that sort of inquiry, or can you direct me to one? Thank you very much.

>Julia Cochran

Sure...esp. if he uses electronic devices in his work!  However, there are music
instructors on this list who'd be happy to help, too.

Harry
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 16:19:51 -0400
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From:         "Andrew Whittle. AWhit." <Andysmoke@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Seeking a Composer

In a message dated 08/05/96  16:12:54, you write:

>[need] help in locating the correct spelling of a contemporary composer's
>name, and information about his work. Is this an appropriate location for
>that sort of inquiry, or can you direct me to one? Thank you very much.
>
>Julia Cochran
>
>

Well I'll see if I can help.  I know the names and hold information on many
composers, so I shall see if my services can be of any use to you.

Andy Whittle

[I would like to appoligise to everyone for my friend (James A.), about his
behavior on this line.  For him, life is a game *grin*]

Once again, if anybody has any MIDI files they wish to exchange with me, then
please mail me on Andysmoke@aol.com  Any suggestions appreciated.
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 16:35:50 EDT
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From:         Constance Cochran <COCPROFS@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Seeking a Composer
In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 8 May 1996 10:06:25 CST from
              <haeckerh@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV>

On Wed, 8 May 1996 10:06:25 CST harry haecker said:
>>[need] help in locating the correct spelling of a contemporary composer's
>>name, and information about his work. Is this an appropriate location for
>>that sort of inquiry, or can you direct me to one? Thank you very much.
>
>Sure...esp. if he uses electronic devices in his work!  However, there are
>music
>instructors on this list who'd be happy to help, too.


Well, it sounded to me as if there were some electronic devices, but I can't
swear to it. He's a composer and a percussionist, his name sounds like John
Dupree, but I'm not sure of the spelling, the cut was "Adoremus Dominum" and
the CD is "Alchemist." Any leads would be most appreciated.

Thanks.
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 21:54:55 +0100
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From:         Tony Alexander <alex_f@GLOBALNET.CO.UK>

Hey Andysmoke I have some good midi files if you wanna swap.  Mail me on
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 20:53:47 -0400
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From:         Mike Beller <Nyfnm@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Electric Oboe

Dominic,

Call Thoroughbred Music in Tampa Florida, they carry a microphone for just
about any instrument, their prices low, & they ship anywhere!! Tel #
800-800-4654 x203 (in USA only), or 813-889-3874 x203 (outside USA) ask for
the sales manager. His name is Mike. Good luck!
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Date:         Thu, 9 May 1996 00:18:04 +0000
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From:         Martin Russ <mruss@MIDI.DUNGEON.COM>
Subject:      Admin FAQs V1.4 (New Issue)
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Warning: Long Document (385 lines, 3004 words, about 6 pages)--------------

EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-L Frequently Asked Questions: Administration

This document is posted approximately every four weeks. It is intended that
this document should answer many of the questions asked by newcomers to the
lists. Comments and corrections should be sent to the maintainer, Martin
Russ, at: mruss@midi.dungeon.com

This is Issue 1.4. 5th May 1996.
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Changes since issue 1.3.:
- Minor corrections and clarifications (all)
- New posting information (Messages, 2/3)
- Moved history of EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-l to General FAQs (Background, 1/3)

TOPIC INDEX****************************************************************
- Background
- Messages
- Subscriptions etc

BACKGROUND*****************************************************************
"What are the EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-L lists for?"*****************************

EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-L are for the discussion of electronic music in general:
its history, practitioners past and present, equipment, techniques, trends,
research, development, resources, you name it.

They exist as a 'post-moderated' alternative to the rec.music.makers.synth
newsgroup. (post-moderated means that the moderators monitor what is
posted, and sometimes remind posters about the 'rules': see below for the
'rules').

A digest is also available for each list. This collects all the postings
for a day into one e-mailing.

"Who are the moderators?"**************************************************

Joe McMahon and Mike Metlay have been on here for over seven years. Their
aim  is to keep the mail flowing and the illegal and blatantly out-of-line
traffic to a minimum.

Joe can be contacted at: mcmahon@clark.net

(Mike can be contacted at: atomic@netcom.com - Mike is currently moving.)

"So, can I post anything I feel like?"*************************************

Well, no. There are some RULES.

The basic thrust of EMUSIC-L is to provide a forum for the discussion of
music made by electronic means. The actual method is secondary (and more the
subject of SYNTH-L). What we are concerned with on EMUSIC-L is the music,
composing, and related topics. Therefore:

1) Ads are not permitted on EMUSIC-L. Advising someone as to whether they
are getting ripped off *if they ask the list* is permissible; otherwise,
use private mail (and please remember not to just use the 'Reply' option in
your mail program - that will replay to the list!).
Requests for addresses of mail-order firms, etc. are OK. Cutting deals on
your own personal equipment is not OK. Please do it privately, or subscribe
to SYNTH-L, where you'll reach a more responsive audience. Requests for
advice as to whether a price is good or not are marginally OK, but would
probably reach a more knowledgeable audience on SYNTH-L. Prices really
aren't so much of interest unless either the entire world (literally)
should know about this great deal, or you have inside information on a new
product or upgrade.

Exception: if someone has gone through the trouble of composing, recording,
and pressing a CD or tape, submitting an article describing the process and
their experiences and mentioning that the tape or CD is available for
purchase is OK. Posting repeated ads for the CD is not. (A single mention
is marginally acceptable; a short mention in a signature file is fine.)

Here's a quick summary (it goes from 'admirable' to 'not acceptable'):

- A ONE-TIME post mentioning that you have completed a CD or tape and a
summary of experiences/etc. in making the recording is admirable.

- An article which contributes to the discussion on the list AND contains a
signature file which mentions CD/tape/album availability is acceptable.

- Repeated postings saying nothing but "My recording is available" are bad.

- Outright ads for records you did not make, hardware, software, used cars,
etc. are very bad (definitely not acceptable).

2) Discussions about the relative merits of hardware/software/etc. are
permissible, as long as the reviewers state evidence supporting their
opinions. Ad hominem attacks will not be tolerated. Arguments based solely
on personal taste are not acceptable. It is preferable to request private
mailings, which you can summarize and post back to the list. Reviews are
useful. Mutual admiration societies are not.

3) All members *will* be treated with kindness and respect. There is no
such thing as a dumb question on this list. If you can answer, answer, and
be nice about it. Otherwise, say nothing. If you've got a problem with what
someone has had to say, discuss it in a civil manner. If you can't do that,
take it to e-mail, or just forget about it.

4) EMUSIC-L is meant to be for the discussion of electronic music, in the
studio, the classroom, in performance, and on recordings, including
techniques, resources, user reviews and experiences, and speculation on
futures. Some divagations will be tolerated, as it's rather nice to have a
little humor on the list; however, the list owner(s) (Joe McMahon at the
moment) will maintain the final say as to the subject matter on the list
and will move to terminate off-topic, pointless, and (especially) rancorous
discussions.

5) Please refrain from adding to the noise level by commenting about
accidental private posts to the list or the accidental sendings of
SUBSCRIBE requests or suchlike to the list. That is the administrators'
job. If you must pour out your wounded feelings ;-), either to the
moderator(s), or to the offender, use private mail.

6) The moderator(s) are permitted to be as arbitrary as they please. We
have only once had to take action against a member of the list for breaking
these rules, even when they hadn't been stated explicitly. We will notify
offenders via private mail and will wait for a response. But we don't have
time to play Politeness and Germaneness Monitors. We will remove users from
the list only if we must, and we always give people the benefit of the
doubt when possible. But be assured that we will act to preserve the
quality of discussion on this list.

"Is SYNTH-L supposed to be technical discussion of synthesizers?"**********
"Does EMUSIC-L cover electronic music in general?"*************************

Very roughly, SYNTH-L is for the detailed technical talk, like gear for
sale, where to download patches, whether synth A is better than synth B
(whatever 'better' means), technical problems and solutions, and so on.
SYNTH-L is the stuff that people on EMUSIC-L don't want to have to wade
through to discuss electronic music.

Conversely, EMUSIC-L is for all the serious (and sometimes not so serious)
philosophical discussion on electronic music in its widest sense. EMUSIC-L
is the stuff that people on SYNTH-L don't want to have to wade through to
discuss gear.

In both cases, one could say that this sort of discussion has its place,
but people sometimes like to see it, and sometimes don't. All the
EMUSIC-L/SYNTH-L division purports to do is allow an approximate separation
between the snobs and the plebs. Where people take that is up to them.

It's true that there seems to be no set focus or set of aims in these
lists. That's deliberate. We are like-minded individuals looking for
someone intelligent and knowledgeable to talk to, and the topics range all
over the place, as well they should in such a forum. One shouldn't expect
any kind of focus in an environment where anything is a potential topic for
discussion.

"What's the point? It's not what I expected!"******************************

The point is that we don't want you to have unreasonable expectations of
what EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-L are 'for'; they are what they are, and most
people seem content to enjoy them as they are or guide them elsewhere,
either for a while or for good...

A good starting point for finding out what the electronic music of EMUSIC-L
and SYNTH-L is all about is the EMUSIC-L World Wide Web page at:
http://sunsite.unc.edu/emusic-l.

MESSAGES*******************************************************************
'What about multiple and long posts?'**************************************

MULTIPLE POSTS / CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND OTHER LENGTHY POSTS

EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-L are delivered to many different types of
mailboxes.  While many of our readers have plenty of spool file space
at their host machines and a lot of leisure time to delete unwanted
mail, there are others who must download their mail via modem, often
at low speeds while paying for connect time. For this reason, we
discourage multiple postings of the same message, and ask that list
members clear very long posts (postings are limited to 400 lines / 32 K
of text) with the
Co-Moderators before sending them along. While we do not have time to
moderate every message to EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-L, we have no objection
to scanning the occasional conference announcement or product profile
for suitability, and would prefer to do so rather than see our readers
suffer problems from lengthy files whose place on our lists may not be
appropriate.

One other note: keep in mind that the default behavior for the List
Server is NOT to echo a copy of your post back to you. Posting the
same announcement multiple times "just to make sure it's getting out"
is wasteful and rude. If there has been no response to your post after
three to five days, a follow-up message asking if the post got out,
_along with a careful restatement of the original question,_ is probably
okay. But there does exist the possibility that your question has gone
unanswered because no one on the lists has the information you need.
There's no guarantee that we can answer any question here, and we cannot
force those who do have answers to also have an interest in providing
them.

As in so many areas of netiquette, let common sense be your guide in
handling these posts. Being flamed for announcing a concert or
conference, or for asking a reasonable question, is uncalled
for. Being flamed for announcing the same event five times in an
automailer, or for asking a question no one cares about ten times in a
row in ever more strident tones, is to be expected.

"Should I respond to a message on the list?"*******************************

The whole point of this list is that we attract people who are smart enough
to make these decisions for themselves, and do. You can be one of them, if
you let yourself. Think and decide for yourself, make mistakes, correct
them, learn, move on, and enjoy the trip. Or, if you're paralyzed by fear
of doing or saying something wrong, you can choose to lurk forever.

Please note the difference between 'Reply'ing to the whole list, and
sending private mail to a specific person. 'Reply'ing normally uses the
'automatic' Reply facility in your mail program, and sends your mail to
*everyone* on the list. Private e-mail requires you to manually create a
new message to the person who posted to the list, and this will be sent
just to them.

Please also read the "So, can I post anything I feel like?" 'Rules' section
of this document before posting anything to the list.

"How do I send a message to the list?"*************************************

For EMUSIC-L, you send your posting to emusic-l@american.edu. It will be
automatically sent to all of the other subscribers. You will not receive a
copy of your own mail; LISTSERV does this to decrease mail traffic.

For SYNTH-L, you send your posting to synth-l@american.edu.

"Why did my posting get rejected?"*****************************************

Postings to the list may be rejected for a number of reasons, most of them
having to do with keeping unrelated material off the list, and keeping traffic
to a reasonable level.

If you are not subscribed to the list, you will not be able to post to it.
This keeps random advertisers who are not members of the list from posting
to it, and cuts down on mass crosspostings as well. If you really need to
talk to the members of the lists, you'll have to make the commitment to
read them for at least the amount of time that it takes to get your answer.
Note that the listowners will frown on subscribing, posting, and unsubscribing
in a very short period, especially if the material posted turns out to be
unrelated to the list, or otherwise inappropriate.

Postings more than 400 lines long (about 32K of text) will be rejected as
well. This was instituted to stop things like errors resulting in massive
postings to the list, and pranksters who uuencode core dumps and send them,
attempting to overload the server and its customers. Such items will be
returned to sender.

"Why can't I post anymore?"***********************************************

Joe McMahon explains the latest changes to posting...

If you haven't posted in a while, and all of a sudden your posts are
being rejected, there are a couple possible reasons, all related to the
same cause: spammers.

To block spammers from being able to post to the lists at all, Mike and I
went to a set of new subscription and posting restrictions: new subscribers
must confirm their subscriptions, and non-subscribers cannot post. Also,
posts over a certain size (about 400 lines / 32K of text) will get rejected.

This can cause problems for the following folks:

 - Folks from AOL who appear to have multiple IDs (screen names). You always
   have to post from the same ID, or subscribe multiple IDs and use SET
   NOMAIL for some of them (see below). Not doing so will make you appear to
   be an unsubscribed user/possible spammer, and your posts get rejected.

 - Folks whose mailing addresses have been changed by their system
   administrators or by their networking folks. You also appear to be an
   unsubscribed, possible spammer, and get rejected.

These will have to be fixed on an individual basis, alas. Send me or Mike
mail (actually, just send it to me for right now -- Mike's busy moving).

If you know your ID has changed, send us mail telling us the old ID and the
new one, and we'll delete the old one; you can add the new one yourself.

If you have multiple IDs you'll be posting from, subscribe all of them, but
send the following command from all but one of them:

SET EMUSIC-L NOMAIL

(and obviously, SET SYNTH-L NOMAIL, for SYNTH-L) to turn off mail to the
other accounts.

"Where is the archive of FAQs kept?"***************************************

This is a new document (as of May 1995). As the maintainer adds new
questions this document will be revised, and some questions and answers may
be removed - so far the major change is a split into Admin (this FAQ) and a
General FAQ (the other FAQ). You will be able to ftp previous FAQ files
from the Internet - this is being sorted out with the maintainer's service
provider.

SUBSCRIPTIONS**************************************************************
"How do I unsubscribe?"****************************************************

For EMUSIC-L, you send mail to listserv@american.edu with the text

UNSUB EMUSIC-L

as the body. No special subject is required.

For SYNTH-L, you send mail to listserv@american.edu with the text

UNSUB SYNTH-L

as the body. Again, no special subject is required.

If this does not work, you will get a message saying that no entry was
found for your ID. Please contact Joe McMahon (mcmahon@CLARK.NET) directly.

Please, do *NOT* post unsubscribe messages to the list. They don't help, and
simply irritate other readers.

AOL subscribers may experience some problems with unsubscribing from the
listserv.  This may be a communications problem or an incompatibility... If
you cannot unsubscribe then please save any messages that you may receive
from the listserv and send them to Joe McMahon (mcmahon@CLARK.NET).

"How do I subscribe?"******************************************************

To join the discussion group on a message-by-message basis, send a mail
message to listserv@american.edu with the text

SUB EMUSIC-L <your name>

where "<your name>" is your actual first and last name (at a minimum;
LISTSERV insists on at least two blank-separated words here). Do not send
subscription requests to the list address, as they only serve to annoy the
other list members.

For SYNTH-L, you do exactly the same, but replace the text 'EMUSIC-L' with
'SYNTH-L'.

"How do I subscribe to the daily digest?"**********************************

If you would like to get daily digests of the mail to EMUSIC-L, send the
following mail to listserv@american.edu:

SUB EMUSIC-L <your name>
SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST

where "<your name>" should be replaced by your first and last name (at a
minimum; LISTSERV insists on at least two blank-separated words here). Note
that these two commands should be on separate lines: SUB EMUSIC-L <your
name><CR> SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST<CR> so that the listserv will interpret them
correctly.

Do not send subscription requests to the list address, as they only serve
to annoy the otherlist members.

For SYNTH-L, you do exactly the same, but replace the text 'EMUSIC-L' with
'SYNTH-L'.

"How do I unsubscribe from the full list and subscribe to the digest?"*****

If you would like to get daily digests of the mail to EMUSIC-L instead of
the message-by-message form, just send the  following mail to
listserv@american.edu:

SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST

You will then get one message per day, which consists of a list of topics,
followed by all the messages which have been posted in the previous 24
hours.

For SYNTH-L, you do exactly the same, but replace the text 'EMUSIC-L' with
'SYNTH-L'.

AOL subscribers may experience some problems in changing their subscription
details via the listserv. This may be a communications problem or an
incompatibility... If you cannot change to a digest then please save any
messages that you may receive from the listserv and send them to Joe
McMahon (mcmahon@CLARK.NET).

Contributors:**************************************************************
Mike Metlay, Joe McMahon, Ned Kartchner, Clive McFarland and others

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 Martin Russ            Reviewer & Columnist for Sound On Sound Magazine (UK)
 mruss@midi.dungeon.com      Hi-Tech Music Technical Author & MIDI Consultant
 http://www.dungeon.com/~midi              Macintosh & Synthesizer Programmer
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Date:         Wed, 8 May 1996 22:34:20 +0500
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From:         "Juan Manuel Rodriguez C." <jmrodrig@ATENEA.UCAUCA.EDU.CO>
Subject:      Choose your destiny #:-)

 I know nothing about you, but I really love techno!

how a poetry should describe this feelin'

Many ones says despectively thinx about monotonous shock whoompa
(bumps or chiz poom) , But I really like nor only his drums

I like the change and dynamism, not quiet in no time,
the bass wets the environment to give us the connection, while bass drum
shake all, and all cymbals come to give it the brilliant complemment,
calling tecnosnares and toms to mark a straign measure,

and moreover call the synthstrings givin' the electrical sensation, while
any complex chord moves up on down trough the scale,

nyuk, after this, I'd like to know how do you take (the tecno-likers) it,
......  the thing I like most is to make my own music, but its music for
dancing..., somebody gotta dance with her, but I don't like people who
dances just for dancing, just 'cause the power on the speaker makes their
brains confuse and gives hops and screams;       *:)    <:)

I'd like they to taste the music
before dancing, (and to take care about their ears, or they'll get like
Beethoven but with no regard to musichistory),
and arrive to the heart of
techno, It gotta be harmonic in someway..........

            Just add your         soul + technology !

But when I'm doing music, I compare it with the techno -singers- actually
very famous, and I say mslf "Hey, Ours is nothing bad compared with theirs"
and feel the big voice sayin'   "Kid why don't you get all you people
moving into dance?"   , and I begin to think in concert halls and In
crowds of people moving to my rythm and of course in      $:)   money....



Then I'd ask you: do you feel One can really make music for oneself, or
inevitably one has to think about money world???

 ~~  ~~  ~~  ~~  ~~  ~~  ~~  ~~  ~~
 OO  Oo  oo  00  oO  -0  ++  @@  ++
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by:  JUMAN
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From:         David Rodger <MUSDR@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Electric Oboe
Comments: cc: D.M.Kelly@UEA.AC.UK

Hi Dominic,
a friend of mine has used Countryman mics mounted on wire attached to the oboe.
She put one on the bell and one about half way up the ba.  She wired them
in parallel to a modified SPX900 (a mic pre added).  ALways sounded good,
but then she's a great oboist.

Regards, David
musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au
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From:         Ken Livingston <kenliv@PCUG.ORG.AU>
Subject:      Get yer MIDI files

If anyone is interested, I've sequenced a selection of works by
Marcel Dupre in general midi format.  I've always regarded
Dupre as a sort of "composer's composer," although you
don't have to be a composer to appreciate his music.

The URL is http://www.pcug.org.au/~kenliv/dupre.html

Check it out and let me know what you think.


Ken

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Ken Livingston
kenliv@pcug.org.au
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Date:         Thu, 9 May 1996 09:46:41 +0100
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From:         chris furtado <Chris.Furtado@WAII.COM>
Subject:      portuguese midi files

are there any locations where i can obtain portuguese, brazilian or
spanish midi files, in order to widen my musical knowledge. any help
much appreciated - please e-mail chrys@vossnet.co.uk. or
chris.furtado@waii.com.  thanks.
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From:         Serge Pilon <spilon@AEI.CA>
Subject:      R O L A N D   E-16

Hi everybody,

I'm a new comer in this group and I need your help !

I bought a nice KBD (Roland E-16) few months ago with 3 methods :
2 for the piano and 1 general for a KBD. I borrowed also many =

methods from municipal libraries around here.

Since all those methods don't use or show all the possibilities =

of the instrument, I would like to know if Roland or anybody else
in this world has developped a method for the E-16 ?

Or any suggestion would help ...

Thanks !

Serge (Qu=E9bec)
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From:         Tony Alexander <alex_f@GLOBALNET.CO.UK>
Subject:      Whittle

Hey my friend said my life is a game, that is quite true!
I think i'll take it as a complement!
His name is Andy Whittle and his life is just babes and comps!!!
I any babes want to mail me, feel free!
alex_f@globalnet.co.uk

James
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From:         "Andrew Whittle. AWhit." <Andysmoke@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Whittle

>Hey my friend said my life is a game, that is quite true!
>I think i'll take it as a complement!
>His name is Andy Whittle and his life is just babes and comps!!!
>I any babes want to mail me, feel free!
>alex_f@globalnet.co.uk
>
>James

I would like to appoligize for my friend for writing this mail and just to
say, that it is not all true!  He is 13, like me and is desperate for a
girl/boy friend, but I think he would prefer the females.   I will have to do
something really nasty to him now, but please feel free to mail me with some
suggestions on what I shall do to him!

Later,
A. Whittle (Wirral, England)
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From:         Tim Robinson <robinsot@LIRO.FRI.CRI.NZ>
Subject:      Philosphical questions

I have some questions on the philosphy of music.

1)      Is there a *musical ability gene*, or is it just a matter of
general intelligence plus training?

If that is too vague, try this:

2)      What makes a person "tone deaf"?   Is it a function of the
brain or the ears?   Can a tone deaf person be made musical with the
right training?   If someone is not exposed to any kind of music until
adulthood, will they develop any kind of musical sense?

And finally, the really interesting one:

3)      How is it that music (the most abstract of art forms) has such
power to stir the emotions?

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From:         "M. Ray McFerron" <PBoulez1@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions

Any medical people...please correct me if i'm wrong, but I think that a true
tone-deaf person has damage of the nerve that runs from the inner ear to the
larynx.
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From:         Alex Dippel <AlDip@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions

re: PBoulez's question abt tone deafness

Actually, I think that the majority of tone-deaf people simply lack
appropriate experience with musical material.  These people get better at
pitch discrimination with practice generally.  Of course I'm sure that there
are some people with neurological damage, but this is not the majority.
 Anyway, that's my behaviorist psych take on the issue.

Alex
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From:         Piet van Oostrum <piet@CS.RUU.NL>
Subject:      Re: portuguese midi files
Comments: To: chris furtado <Chris.Furtado@WAII.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <7370433@toto.iv>

>>>>> chris furtado <Chris.Furtado@WAII.COM> (CF) writes:

CF> are there any locations where i can obtain portuguese, brazilian or
CF> spanish midi files, in order to widen my musical knowledge. any help
CF> much appreciated - please e-mail chrys@vossnet.co.uk. or
CF> chris.furtado@waii.com.  thanks.

ftp.cs.ruu.nl:/pub/MIDI/SONGS/
    GMIDI/brasmid.zip
    GMIDI/brazil.zip
    MISC/matao.zip
    MISC/sherwin1.zip (cantilen.mid)
    MISC/barclona.mid
Or http://www.cs.ruu.nl/pub/MIDI/SONGS/...
--
Piet van Oostrum <piet@cs.ruu.nl>
URL: http://www.cs.ruu.nl/~piet
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From:         Peter K Schoenhoff <pschoenh@PEN.K12.VA.US>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions
In-Reply-To:  <960509224833_290974186@emout15.mail.aol.com>; from "M. Ray
              McFerron" at May 9, 96 10:48 pm

These are the graceful words of M. Ray McFerron:

->Any medical people...please correct me if i'm wrong, but I think that a true
->tone-deaf person has damage of the nerve that runs from the inner ear to the
->larynx.

        I am not a doctor, so plase correct me if I am wrong, but
        I thought that all nerves connected something to the brain.

--
  -Pete Schoenhoff   _\|/_   pschoenh@pen.k12.va.us
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From:         Constance Cochran <COCPROFS@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions
In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 10 May 1996 11:09:12 -1100 from
              <robinsot@LIRO.FRI.CRI.NZ>

On Fri, 10 May 1996 11:09:12 -1100 Tim Robinson said:


>And finally, the really interesting one:
>
>3)      How is it that music (the most abstract of art forms) has such
>power to stir the emotions?

It's been a while since I've read it, but Plato's Republic addresses this,
and even prescribes (and proscribes!) certain types of music to be used in the
education of the youth.
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From:         Michael Glen <MTG@SRV0.MED.ED.AC.UK>
Organization: Edinburgh University
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions

Tune deafness , which is medically known as dysmelodia
is believed to be genetically past on in families,
, although little research has been done in this area.
People who are tune deaf make up part of the group
who are known as tone deaf.

This is likely to be a function of the brain, not the ears,
and effects pitch discrimination and short term tone memory.

Damage to the ear may also cause deafness to
particular tones/pitches if the hairs on the cochlea
in the inner ear are damaged or if the neurones
from the ear to the brainstem are damaged
but this would cause a more selective tone deafness
with only certain pitches being unable to be heard.

Musical ability is also thought to have a certain genetic component
together with an amount of training of the ear and brain
to be abl to judge what notes go together to make a piece
of music(if music is kept within the bounds
of popular
and classical music structure).

As for music being able to stir the emotions
I can't answer why this is.
It must have some basis in our makeup as people
have been playing music/rhythms since the dawn of mankind.

Channel 4 in the UK is currently showing a series on
Music and the Mind, but as you wre writing from
New Zealand you will be unable to watch this
(unless of course you can find someone who is able to
 video it and send you a copy and there
may also be an accompaning book but i'm not sure)

>>Any medical people...please correct me if i'm wrong, but I think that a true
>>tone-deaf person has damage of the nerve that runs from the inner ear to the
>>larynx.

The ear is connected to the larynx but not by a nerve.
There is an air filled tube running from the inner ear
to the nasopharynx which is just above the larynx.
This is to allow pressure changes to take place in the
inner ear to stop it bursting, like when your ears
pop when you are in a plane on takeoff.

Michael Glen,
research assistant
WGH Edinburgh.Scotland
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From:         Kirk Malay <Possitron@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions

1. No one in my family immediate family has played music and as a child I
never had any instruments or did anything like it in school.  When I turned
20 I picked up a guitar and 10 years later I teach music, been on tour, and
have written a few world famous guitar theory program for the computer
including The Ultimate Guitar Lesson.  My grand mother played the organ quite
well but I don't know if any of that got in my genes.

2. As far as tone deafness is concerned, I got kicked off the chior team
cause they said I was tone deaf, I think I just couldn't grasp the theory of
tones going up or down they all seemed the same.  Now at 31 I have relative
pitch and nearly perfect pitch.  I can play on the piano or guitar anything I
hear.  And I can tell you the name of a note by ear within a half a step.

Geneology has something to do with some folks I'm sure but I think desire and
awareness is the key.

3. As far as music causing emotion is concerned, Music is one of the 10 major
mind stimulants that speed the vibrations of thought up to nearly 3000 time
it's normal speed.  Music used to be used as mating calls and war calls for a
very long time,  no wonder it stirs us up.  Popular music is also set to a
certain range of tempo, which is close to our heartbeat,  a slower tempo will
automatically slow our heart down just like a fast tempo will speed it up.
 It will do the same with our thought patterns.  It's great for inducing self
hypnosis, meditation and even ESP if used properly.

This was a good idea to start this topic.  I think I write more about it in
my web site.  Thanx

Kirk-  http://www.the-ultimate.com
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From:         harry haecker <haeckerh@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV>
Subject:      Philosphical questions- perfect pitch

>I have some questions on the philosphy of music.

Perhaps more correctly, the physiology of music?

>1)      Is there a *musical ability gene*, or is it just a matter of
>general intelligence plus training?

I don't know about musical ability, but I heard a news report on National
Public Radio last year that indicated a distinct difference (enlargement,
more dendritic connections) in the aural neural pathway for people who had
perfect pitch; also, CAT scans showed more numerous connections between the
hearing and language parts of the brain, indicating that a specific gene or
genes are involved.

However, just because someone has perfect pitch doesn't mean they're
especially good at composing original music, learning others' compositions
(with or without emotional interpretation), or even that they enjoy music!
I think of perfect pitch as merely a parlour trick, along the lines of
knowing days of the week for any given date (example, March 31, 1961 was a
Friday...Good Friday, I believe) or being able to quickly add 7 digit
numbers in your head.  I wish I posessed the perfect pitch parlour trick
though!  :^)

Evidently, it can become a bother, however: I remember walking down a
campus road in Athens, GA in 1979 with a fellow music major who had that
gift.  When a campus bus passed by and made a turn in front of us, its
brakes squealed a bit, and this guy made an anguished face, turned to me
and complained, "UGH! A flat, high F#!!!"  I think he was showing off, but
because of that incident, it always seemed to me that people with perfect
pitch should be able to train themselves to be flexible, learning and
loving the continuum of audible tones and not just "harp" on the Equal
Temperament system.

Harry Haecker
(haeckerh@nwrc.gov)

"Big Brother *would* be watching you, except that he's exceedingly bored
with the prospect of doing so."
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From:         Constance Cochran <COCPROFS@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions- perfect pitch
In-Reply-To:  <9604108317.AA831746845@osprey.nwrc.gov>

On Fri, 10 May 1996 09:46:31 CST harry haecker said:

>Evidently, it can become a bother, however: I remember walking down a
>campus road in Athens, GA in 1979 with a fellow music major who had that
>gift.  When a campus bus passed by and made a turn in front of us, its
>brakes squealed a bit, and this guy made an anguished face, turned to me
>and complained, "UGH! A flat, high F#!!!"


I, too, was in Athens in 1979, and I can attest that not only did the campus
bus brakes squeal regularly, but that they continue to do so. You didn't by any
chance perform in Collegium Musicum during that time?
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From:         Joe Miklojcik <jfm@POWERPAGE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions

At 10:34 AM 5/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>It [music] will do the same with our thought patterns.  It's great for
inducing self
>hypnosis, meditation and even ESP if used properly.

I was completely with you up to the ESP thing.

Let's get this straight, once and for all.  ESP is a CRUEL RUSE, instigated
by HALF-HUMAN, HALF-VENUSIAN politicos, bent on destroying the world by
HOOKING the rest of us on NEW AGE fads and FAST CARS.


More seriously, questions like "why does music stir the emotions?" are
inherently elusive, and lead to the "dancing about architecture" problem *.
To me, the far more interesting question is "how can we use music to stir
specific emotions?"  More precisely, "which music stirs which emotions which
way (on which side of the equator)?"  Lifetimes can be enjoyed in pursuit of
answers to this, so GET BACK TO WORK.


(* Reading some hideous gear-mongering magazine while on the toilet, I once
came across the quote "Talking about music is like dancing about
architecture."  I believe it was attributed to Elvis Costello.)

(jfm)
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From:         NEC_CEELY@FLO.ORG
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions

I believe it was THELONIUS MONK
RPC
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From:         David Rodger <MUSDR@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions- perfect pitch

HI Harry and others...

>it always seemed to me that people with perfect
>pitch should be able to train themselves to be flexible, learning and
>loving the continuum of audible tones and not just "harp" on the Equal
>loving the continuum of audible tones and not just "harp" on the Equal
>Temperament system.

(Whoops - please ignore the repeat)

Not only the equal temperament system, but A = 440Hz too.

Regards, David
musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au
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From:         David Rodger <MUSDR@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions

On Fri, 10 May 1996 08:11:43 -0400 (EDT), Constance Cochran said

> It's been a while since I've read it, but Plato's Republic addresses this,
> and even prescribes (and proscribes!) certain types of music to be used in the
> education of the youth.

A fact not lost on Jesse Helms, whose voice (I think it's him) appears on
'The Incredible PWEI vs the Moral Majority' by Pop Will Eat Itself on their
record "Cure for Sanity"!

Regards, David
musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au
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From:         Michael Crowl <shitcan@ESKIMO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions
In-Reply-To:  <199605101812.OAA13171@sparc.powerpage.com>

On Fri, 10 May 1996, Joe Miklojcik wrote:
> I was completely with you up to the ESP thing.
>
> Let's get this straight, once and for all.  ESP is a CRUEL RUSE, instigated
> by HALF-HUMAN, HALF-VENUSIAN politicos, bent on destroying the world by
> HOOKING the rest of us on NEW AGE fads and FAST CARS.

        (Now, hold on there just a minute.  I'M Half-Venusian, and nobody
every gave ME the go-ahead!  I thought we were still biding our time...  I
musta fell outta the loop somehow...  Oh, wow, all this time spent hunched
over my funny sonic metal machines they must've been hard at work sapping
the angst and confusion from the masses.  What a DOLT I am!)

        AND I ride a bicycle.

> More seriously, questions like "why does music stir the emotions?" are
> inherently elusive, and lead to the "dancing about architecture" problem *.

        Thank you for sharing that incredible quote.  There's one in a
similar vein from Woody Allen, in Shadows & Fog - he's at a brothel and
John Cusack and Lily Tomlin are talking about death, and they ask him what
he thinks about it.  And Woody says, "Who me?  I don't know what to say -
but if you got me drunk enough I could probably dance it for you..."

> To me, the far more interesting question is "how can we use music to stir
> specific emotions?"  More precisely, "which music stirs which emotions which
> way (on which side of the equator)?"  Lifetimes can be enjoyed in pursuit of
> answers to this, so GET BACK TO WORK.

        Well spake.


--< mikey >--

P.S.    I'm a Leo w/Libra rising, and Venus in Cancer at the Midheaven.
        If you're a musician, trust me, you have some sort of
        Venus/Libran/Taurean element - big time.


/-------------------------------------------------------------\
|    Michael Crowl          08/15/69 10:58am Winfield,IL      |
|    V/M (206)726-2591      E/M "SHITCAN@ESKIMO.COM"          |
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Date:         Sat, 11 May 1996 02:44:48 +0500
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From:         "Juan Manuel Rodriguez C." <jmrodrig@ATENEA.UCAUCA.EDU.CO>
Subject:      Sequencing sequencers...

For me sequencig drum tracks is just record with some bass drum on a
recording space of 4 measures, = 16 beats, and let it loop an loop while
you go adding and adding more percussions using the quantize function, then
I said it's ...   non-realtime sequencing,
OBVIOUSLY i'm wrong, someone could tell me about the real difference
between real and non-realtime recording, what's the difference between
"on-board" sequencer, and the properly called sequencer,
and a sequecer keyboard implies to be also a synth?
and how do usually function those programs (sw) which have "many
accompanniment styles", it means Multitrack?
Don't let me to lie to ones who'll ask me, day of tomorrow....   ;-)
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Date:         Sat, 11 May 1996 09:34:14 -0700
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From:         Timothy Kelly <midivox@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sequencing sequencers...

Hi All,
   Real Time is when you play the track live with some kind of midi
controller. In my case, usually by MidiVox humming, singing, or scat
singing.
   My next controller most used would be a midi guitar.
   Then cutting and pasting with the mouse, while the auto composers
like the Jammer play.
   In almost 15 years of using midi, I have yet to quanitize a track.
   I get what I consider to be a much better sound, and its also faster
for me just to do a few more real time takes, and then cut and paste
from them if needed.
   If you do almost all real time recording like I do. About half the
functions of many sequencers you never use.
   If you have to enter parts with a mouse or step time, which is as
far from real time as you can get, you need a whole mt of sequencers to
get anything close to human sounding out of your non real time tracks.
   Real Time saves you hours of editing and the sound is always more
human.
   Better to slow the tempo way down and use a couple of fingers on
some type of real time controller, and then speed it up.
   Happy Sequencering
   Timothy Kelly
   MidiVox


--
MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays.

Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some
Drums, Sing a Cello.

Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller.

AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars."
Keyboard.
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Date:         Sat, 11 May 1996 11:23:21 -0700
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From:         Paul LaVigne <plavigne@SIRIUS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions- perfect pitch

Apparently there is also evidence to suggest that we are born with perfect
pitch, and we eventually "un-learn" it. I don't have any scientific evidence
for this, but one of my music professors told me an interesting story about
perfect pitch in children.

A few years ago, he was the new music teacher for a particular class of
youngsters, about 5 or 6 yrs old or so. He asked them what their favorite
song was, and they told him "Old Mac Donald". So he arbirtrarily picked a
key, say F, and began playing on his guitar. The strange thing was that the
kids began singing in the previous key they had learned it in, and weren't
even paying attention to the fact that the guitar was playing something
different. Apparently, the previous music teacher had arbitrarily picked
another key altogether, and they learned it *good* (Incidentally, the kids
told him he was wrong, and made him find the original key). This was also
after two months or so of summer that they had retained the memory of the
original key that they had learned it in.

Kinda spooky, I think....

Paul
plavigne@sirius.com
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Date:         Sat, 11 May 1996 19:39:18 +0100
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From:         Nick Rothwell <nick@CASSIEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions

>(* Reading some hideous gear-mongering magazine while on the toilet, I once
>came across the quote "Talking about music is like dancing about
>architecture."  I believe it was attributed to Elvis Costello.)

The much-attributed reply from Laurie Anderson is "what about a square dance?"

I would say here that any European-school dance in postmodern vein with any
kind of installation aesthetic (Rosemary Butcher, Gill Clarke, Michele
Noiret, etc.) is basically "dancing about architecture." Certainly true of
Butcher's pieces commissioned for Guildford Cathedral, for instance.

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects
         http://www.cassiel.com        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again
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Date:         Sat, 11 May 1996 22:49:14 +0400
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From:         Andre Fischmann <fischman@BOW.INTNET.MU>
Organization: Lycee Polytechnique - Mauritius
Comments: cc: alex_f@GLOBALNET.CO.UK

Tony Alexander wrote:
>
> Hey Andysmoke I have some good midi files if you wanna swap.  Mail me on

I have so a lot of Midi files. If you want, I can send you directly (not at the list, because it's big) a list
of my directories and my files (including dates and sizes) of 220kbytes in ZIP format, or a little list of the
files I'm putting in other part with the complete name of the song.

If somebody else is interested, please mail me personally, I'll send what you want.

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Date:         Sat, 11 May 1996 20:00:27 -0500
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From:         The Central Scrutinizer <THEODOREC@VAXVMSX.BABSON.EDU>
Subject:      Power strip light flickering (?)

I've noticed that in the last few months, the power strip (your
average "consumer"-type surge suppressor model) that feeds some of my
equipment has begun to blink.  That is, the switch that illuminates when
"on" flickers incessantly.  This thing has been connected to the same outlet,
doing the same job for quite a while, and the light on it has never flickered.
WhatUs causing this?  Is it the voltage supply to that outlet, or the power
strip itself?  It gets so bad at times that a 60W lamp connected to it will
blink.


--- Chris

theodorec@vaxvmsx.babson.edu
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 10:10:22 +1000
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From:         David Rodger <MUSDR@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Dancing about architecture

Hello dancers and architects.
Nick Rothwell wrote...

> I would say here that any European-school dance in postmodern vein with any
> kind of installation aesthetic (Rosemary Butcher, Gill Clarke, Michele
> Noiret, etc.) is basically "dancing about architecture."

Try this...

  It just so happened that in my capacity as a professor of architecture I
  became interested in choreographic notation.  I had a Moroccan student who
  was working on the subject, and I myself was interested in an architectural
  measure of space that would be something other than the cut-away plan of a
  facade, that is to say, a completely abstract vision.  Space is movement,
  it is the quality of a volume, and is therefore very difficult to note
  down.  I became interested in choreographic notation, asking myself if
  there might not be, in Labanotation for example, a manner of qualifying
  space tht would complement the architect's plans and cross-sections, which
  are absolutely barbarous things for measuring space, because they don't
  measure time.  But in dance, where the notions of space and time are linked,
  there is a relativity which translates that reality quite....

Paul Verilio, in an interview by Laurence Louppe and Daniel Dobbels:
"Gravitational Space".  In Louppe, Laurence (ed.) (1994) Traces of Dance.
Paris: Editions Dis Voir.

Sorry -- misspelled his name: Paul Virilio.

ObEmCon (or given this thread, ObPhilCon)...

Does anyone know of philosophers/musicians/whatever who have given serious
thought to the way that music articulates space?  (Beyond the common usage
of the word to indicate inter-onset time or silence.)

Regards,
David Rodger
musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au
No .sig; no web page.
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 03:30:39 EDT
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From:         Constance Cochran <COCPROFS@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sat, 11 May 1996 09:08:49 +1000 from
              <MUSDR@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU>

On Sat, 11 May 1996 09:08:49 +1000 David Rodger said:
>> Plato's Republic addresses this,
>> and even prescribes (and proscribes!) certain types of music to be used in
>the
>> education of the youth.
>
>A fact not lost on Jesse Helms, whose voice (I think it's him) appears on
>'The Incredible PWEI vs the Moral Majority' by Pop Will Eat Itself on their
>record "Cure for Sanity"!

Mercy, Jesse is almost enough to cure one from reading Plato. Almost.
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 18:41:47 +0100
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From:         "D.M.Kelly" <D.M.Kelly@UEA.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions
In-Reply-To:  <199605101812.OAA13171@sparc.powerpage.com>

jfm

What exactly is your problem with ESP?

Please elucidate...

dmk.
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 15:01:33 -0400
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From:         Jeff Peters <JFFPTRS@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Christian MIDI files

Hi!

I have been lurking on this list for some time now.  I use MIDI music in
serveral different worship services at my church.  I have downloaded most of
the "Religious" midi files from AOL, but could use some more.  I am not
having much luck downloading from the internet.  Does anyone have any good
contemporary Christian MIDI files to share or trade?  Please, no organ
tunes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<)))><
Jeff Peters
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 15:04:48 -0400
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From:         Jeff Peters <JFFPTRS@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Power strip light flickering (?)

I have had a simular problem with my computer that runs my midi
files...during a performance!!!!  I can only think that we both are in need
of a new surge protector...this is not somethink that I want to mess around
with!!
<)))><
Jeff
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 21:15:09 CST
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From:         harry haecker <haeckerh@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV>
Subject:      Re[2]: Philosphical questions- perfect pitch

(Sorry to reply to the whole list, but I had no personal e-mail address
from the sender.)

>I, too, was in Athens in 1979, and I can attest that not only did the campus
>bus brakes squeal regularly, but that they continue to do so. You didn't by
>any chance perform in Collegium Musicum during that time?

No, but I was a member of the Contemporary Music Ensemble and studied piano
performance under Despy Karlas until I had an unfortunate Grateful Dead
accident in spring, 1980.  I remember that the last thing we worked on in the
Ensemble was Berio's "Oh King."

Harry Haecker
(haeckerh@nwrc.gov)
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 21:24:37 CST
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From:         harry haecker <haeckerh@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV>
Subject:      Re[2]: Philosphical questions

>What exactly is your problem with ESP?

>Please elucidate...

>dmk.

Nah, I don't have to...just read my mind!  ;-)

HFPH
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 22:14:11 -0500
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From:         Eric Schramm <SCHRAE36@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Power strip light flickering (?)

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
>
> I've noticed that in the last few months, the power strip (your
> average "consumer"-type surge suppressor model) that feeds some of my
> equipment has begun to blink.  That is, the switch that illuminates when
> "on" flickers incessantly.  This thing has been connected to the same outlet,
> doing the same job for quite a while, and the light on it has never flickered.
> WhatUs causing this?  Is it the voltage supply to that outlet, or the power
> strip itself?  It gets so bad at times that a 60W lamp connected to it will
> blink.


I have heard of this problem before.  A friend had this problem with his
entertainment system.  It turned out that he was overloading the circuit, but
not enough to trip the breaker or blow the fuse.  He unplugged a few things and
then it went away.  You might wanna try that and see if it stops.  Just a
suggestion...

Eric
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Date:         Mon, 13 May 1996 16:54:23 +1000
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From:         clive@PELICAN.DBE.CSIRO.AU
Subject:      Re: Philosphical questions- perfect pitch

the
>kids began singing in the previous key they had learned it in, and weren't
>even paying attention to the fact that the guitar was playing something
>different.

When vocalists start listening to guitarists the Half-Venusians will have
won.  Be warned.

Regards

Clive

Clive McFarland         CSIRO Australia         clive@pelican.dbe.csiro.au
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Date:         Mon, 13 May 1996 09:08:26 -0700
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From:         Nathanael W Berry <nwberry@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Power strip light flickering (?)

've noticed that in the last few months, the power strip (your
>average "consumer"-type surge suppressor model) that feeds some of my
>equipment has begun to blink.  That is, the switch that illuminates when
>"on" flickers incessantly.  This thing has been connected to the same outlet,
>doing the same job for quite a while, and the light on it has never flickered.
>WhatUs causing this?  Is it the voltage supply to that outlet, or the power
>strip itself?  It gets so bad at times that a 60W lamp connected to it will
>blink.
>

        Most likely the switch's contacts are going bad, or require
cleaning. IF the contacts dont make decent continuous contact, they can be
subject to oxidation buildup, and that can spread, particularly if the
switch contacts are made of dissimilar metals (and stranger things have
happened!). Unless you can take the switch apart, its probably on its way
out. To verify that you do not have a lose connection in the outlet, I would
plug the lamp (it is good I assume) into it directly and see if it still
blinks. If it does, your wiring/outlet has problems. If you replace your
power strip, consider getting one that indicates that the surge supression
circuitry is operational. Some lighted switches blink because the internal
lamp is making poor contact - these contacts are usually seperate from the
switches main contacts. I have lighted switches that have flickered for
years. I did find that a flickering switch was (or at least seemed to be)
causing static in my radio at one point.

Nate
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Date:         Mon, 13 May 1996 10:37:17 -0700
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From:         Timothy Kelly <midivox@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Power strip light flickering (?)

Hi,
   Your power strip should have come with a page of instructions
explaining what to do when the light fickers.
   On some power strips this means you need a new fuse, others that it
has kicked in due to a surge, and may need to be replaced. Some strips
are one surge only.
   Others, that there are surges in your power line. Others too many
things plugged into the strip at once. Others that one of the plug ins
on the strip is bad.
   For sure, its asking for your attention.
   Happy Emusic.
   Timothy Kelly
   MidiVox

--
MidiVox-Worlds 1st Voice to Midi Converter. Real Time. No Delays.

Hum a Bass, Croon a Sax, Scat a Horn, Scream a Guitar, Rap some
Drums, Sing a Cello.

Become a Human Sequencer, Human Vocoder, Human Breath Controller.

AES "Best in Show." EM "Editors Choice." " MidiVox Roars."
Keyboard.
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Date:         Mon, 13 May 1996 11:19:55 -0700
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From:         Mark Loomis <loomis@METAL.ENGR.SGI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Power strip light flickering (?)
In-Reply-To:  Nathanael W Berry <nwberry@IX.NETCOM.COM> "Re: Power strip light
              flickering (?)" (May 13,  9:08am)

On May 13,  9:08am, Nathanael W Berry wrote:
>> I've noticed that in the last few months, the power strip
>> has begun to blink.

> Most likely the switch's contacts are going bad, or require cleaning.

I can't ignore this thread any longer.

I have about a zillion of these power strip things and the power lights
all eventually start to flicker -- the neon bulbs used as the indicator
light being to fail and that is their failure mode.  It has nothing to
do with switch contacts, power usage, surge protection, etc.

mFl
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Date:         Mon, 13 May 1996 15:33:02 -0700
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From:         Nathanael W Berry <nwberry@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Christian MIDI files

>...Does anyone have any good
>contemporary Christian MIDI files to share or trade?  Please, no organ
>tunes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
><)))><
>Jeff Peters

        I ran across a site surfing a while back that advertised a music
planning/playing/tracking program that included several hymnals (hymns in
standard midi files) predefined, with a mechanism to build your own. It may
include some of the features, or the page may include links to others that
may be of interest to you. I cant remember my search string - the engine was
Yahoo or Infoseek. I would think "midi religious" or similar strings might
get you there.

Good Luck

Nate

P.S. you might also check for a newsgroup on this subject if you havn't already
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From:         clive@PELICAN.DBE.CSIRO.AU
Subject:      Re: Power strip light flickering (?)

>
>I have about a zillion of these power strip things and the power lights
>all eventually start to flicker -- the neon bulbs used as the indicator
>light being to fail and that is their failure mode.  It has nothing to
>do with switch contacts, power usage, surge protection, etc.
>
Well, yes, but it wouldn't explain the 60W bulb plugged into the strip
flickering as well (or did I remember this bit wrongly?).  I'd still check
out the strip as others have suggested.  If it is switch contact arcing
then the potential problems of power instability, RF interference and that
3am visit by the fire dept outweigh the cost of a new strip.

Regards

Clive

Clive McFarland         CSIRO Australia         clive@pelican.dbe.csiro.au

