Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:38:00 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Peter_Mueller@UCSDLIBRARY.UCSD.EDU Subject: Re[2]: jazz Comments: To: PIW554@DOCKYARD.CO.NZ Trhis is basically correct, except move the time line back about 30 years. That type of music started in the brothels of New Orleans in the 1890s (but of course one can trace its roots back even further.) By the 1920s the word was well established all over the continent and even in Europe. -Peter > If you must know, the word Jazz comes from the late 1920's and is slang for > the word "Jizz" which we know is come. Jazz is synonamous with sex, pleasure, > orgasm. This is not a joke, Jazz is from sex. > > > At 09:06 PM 11/26/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>please tell me exactly what is jazz and its origin. thanks in advance. > >> > >>KR > > > >-------- > > > >>What is Jazz? To quote Dizzy Gillespie (or was it Louis Armstrong?): > >> > >> "If ya gotta ask, you ain't never gonna know." > >> > >>__ > >>Ben Cox cox@transarc.com > > > >------- > > > >"Ask and ye shall receive." > > > >Jazz is the spontaneous expression of the soul through music. > >As the soul has very few restrictions in its freedoms -once liberated > >...so as jazz. > >The free-flowing musical form is explicative of the sencible (intellect) > >emotional subject. > > > >Of its origin, it could be stated that it may have come as a result or in > >co-incidence > >with the Dadist or Nihlist movements from the earliest decades of the 20th > >Century. > >Its developement was encouraged through the roaring 1920's speakeasies in > >Harlem, St Louis and Chicago, and the most reknowned of the performers were > >black.(soul) > > > >The communist Russians had to say of the movement in the 1930's: > >"It is a capitalist conspiracy in order to keep the worker's mind from his > >troubles once he has left his work-place; by filling it with thoughts > >resulting in acts of love-making." > > > >Little did the Ruskies know, the McCarthy types were having their own > >difficulties "getting-down with IT." > > > >We should be a little more helpful in educating our peers, Mr. Cox. > >Viel Gluck, Karen > >_frederick > > > > > >-- Saved internet headers (useful for debugging) >Received: from atlanta.american.edu by mail.ucsd.edu; id NAA09987 sendmail 8.8. >Received: from atlanta (atlanta.american.edu [147.9.1.6]) by atlanta.american.e >Received: from AMERICAN.EDU by AMERICAN.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with >Received: from jericho.american.edu (jericho.american.edu [147.9.1.8]) by >Received: (from daemon@localhost) by jericho.american.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id >Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by jericho.a >Received: from kcbbs.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.7.3/8.7.3) with >Received: by dockyard.co.nz (MG PM3->Waf 3.40), Fri, 29 Nov 96 07:58:22 +1200 >Priority: normal >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) >Message-ID: <199611282134.KAA07942@kcb >Date: >Reply-T >Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Watson >Subject: Re: jazz >To: Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:31:52 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: ERIC OVERTON Subject: Re: jazz Jazz just iz! Eric Z ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:34:47 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: mark simon Subject: What the heck is anything, anyway? >I have spent the last couple years on the dancefloors (laboratory for >practical test and application of sounds) of clubs noticing the effects of >the different music genres and influences on myself > >with this in mind, i would have to say that Stravinsky would work the >(abstract) intellectual aspects of the human components more to this effect, >rather than the soulful. > >comments? I would say that your observations are skewed by the fact that you're only observing those people who frequent dance clubs The people, myself included, who find Stravinsky very soulful never set foot inside those places. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Mark G. Simon Music cataloger Central Tech. Services Cornell University Libraries mgs2@cornell.edu ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 04:46:42 -0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: ADC Subject: Re: What is jazz + an analysis on interpretation of types ofsounds Please forgive me for being pedantic and I mean to cause you no offence, but are you not making a rather large assumption that people in clubs are simply reacting to the music that they hear ? Offhand I can think of a wealth of stimuli, too extensive or too incriminating to list here, whose presence suggests any correlation between music and peoples' actions in clubs is tenuous at best. Alan ---------- > From: Frederick J. Hartline > Subject: Re: What is jazz + an analysis on interpretation of types ofsounds > I have spent the last couple years on the dancefloors (laboratory for > practical test and application of sounds) of clubs noticing the effects of > the different music genres and influences on myself and those around me who > are engaged (more so subconscious than consciously) in the receiving of the > phonic stimuli. > > [eg.] > House music (soulful jazzy + funk and rhythms; origin Chicago, refined New > York) had a profoundly different effect on individuals than that of the > Techno-Intellegent or Progressive House (concerning technical sonic dynamics > of synth-sound waves and patterns + > rhythms; Detroit, refined Europe) on those enjoying the styles. > > Body language (kinetic) observational analyse resulted as follows: > I noticed that bodily expressions of love (soul-sexy communication stuff > -hugs, kisses, whistles, cat calls, etc.) were rampant in the House rooms, > while the Techno rooms were enjoyed by individuals engaged in more mindful or > abstracted physical maneuvers -they were thinking. > It is with the premise that these individual physical (objectual) movements > (or dance) are a direct representation and indication of the subjects' > perception and interpretation of the musical stimulation, at all levels of > consciousness, that i have come to my conclusions that variable kinds of > sounds and rhythum patterns affect each of the centers differently. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:54:21 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City Subject: Re: jazz In-Reply-To: <199611290132.OAA27105@kcbbs.gen.nz> from "Paul Watson" at Nov 29, 96 02:31:49 pm Paul Watson writes-- > >Jeff > >> >And Rock & Roll was Black slang for getting it on or up. Puts >> >'connecting with the music' in a new light... :-) >> > >> >Anyone for Electronic Music? >> >> What's that slang for? ;) > >Onanism... :-p Or Saturnalia. ;) mike -- "What, no White Spurter?" (e. hallgrimsson) ========================================================================== Mike Metlay - ATOMIC CITY - P. O. Box 81175, Pittsburgh, PA 15217-0675 USA = atomic@netcom.com -- http://pd.net/atomic-city -- 800.924.ATOM = CD orders via LOFTY PURSUITS: 800.548.6724 & 904.385.6463, FAX 904.668.5825 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:35:26 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "Frederick J. Hartline" Subject: Re: What is jazz + an analysis on interpretation of types of sounds >Please forgive me for being pedantic and I mean to cause you no offence, >but are you not making a rather large assumption that people in clubs are >simply reacting to the music that they hear ? the main sourse of stimuli for beings engaged in dance is usually music. (sounds) one could dance to the frequency of light patterns if one wished, however it not taken as a recognized art form or recreational exercise. pesent inside the night club (laboratory) there are mitigationg factors, as you have stated, however, these mitigationg factors usually will only act as a sensoral cushion/deadnor -or, in some cases, as an enhanser. i think in any case, when there is observed that there are definate patterns of behaviour present among a wide range of human subjects, there is cause for study. there are no pure or perfect human subjects or envirements for any such experiment. (if only there was such thing as a human being equivalent as an ameoba!) as it were, i studied the "behavioural sink" i had (ready made) at my disposal. those who were being studied were willing and unaware -and for the most part, enjoying themselves. the subjects were varied cultural/social/ecomomic backgrounds, mixed sex, and aged generally (estimation) between 17 and 33. generalisations came to premise. my method was purely deductive and findings can be reasonably substantiated. >The people, myself included, who find Stravinsky very soulful never set foot inside >those places too bad. there are enough limitations set upon us as there is; -a shame to put them upon oneself.....and there are plenty of people outside of the caste that i imagine you are refering to, who recognise and enjoy Stravinsky. Walt Disney exposed the world to Stravinsky's work a long long time ago thru his (widely received) cartoon epic Fantasia. he is also featured in elevators, grocery stores and dentists' offices everywhere;) i would just like to state for those of whom participate on this board for more technical reasons, i hope these discussions have not been a nuisance. the tech data/insight you share is extremely stimulating. it is worthwhile to note that with the generation of "pure" sounds will come an exciting new chapters for psychology and various other (scientific, etc) texts. but then again, fun is good too ["the groove is in the heart"] _frederick > >Offhand I can think of a wealth of stimuli, too extensive or too >incriminating to list here, whose presence suggests any correlation between >music and peoples' actions in clubs is tenuous at best. > >Alan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:24:00 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Peter_Mueller@UCSDLIBRARY.UCSD.EDU Subject: Re[2]: jazz Comments: To: atomic@NETCOM.COM Mike wrote: >Paul Watson writes-- > >>Jeff > >>> >And Rock & Roll was Black slang for getting it on or up. Puts >>> >'connecting with the music' in a new light... :-) >> > >>> >Anyone for Electronic Music? >> >>> What's that slang for? ;) > >>Onanism... :-p >Or Saturnalia. ;) >mike I thought that's what Sun Ra was into. -Peter ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:48:40 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Watson Subject: Re: jazz > Paul Watson writes-- > > > >Jeff > > > >> >And Rock & Roll was Black slang for getting it on or up. Puts > >> >'connecting with the music' in a new light... :-) > >> > > >> >Anyone for Electronic Music? > >> > >> What's that slang for? ;) > > > >Onanism... :-p Mike Metlay writes-- > Or Saturnalia. ;) Touche Mike! Had to look up the dictionary for this one. "Unrestrained merry making and wild revelry in December". If you've got the women, I've got the beer Electronic Music lives, I'll see you there!!! :-> Paul Watson New Zealand ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:48:17 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Marshall Otwell Subject: Re: jazz Have to admit my first reaction to this question was the same as Mr. Cox's. In deference to Mr. Hartline's desire to be more helpful, however, I'll put my two cents in: - jazz is music in which improvisation is "key"; everything else is basically a frame for the improv. - the idiom typically uses a certain characteristic harmonic and rhythmic vocabulary, and is aware of and referential to its own history. - it is primarily black, American, urban music. - none of the above is _always_ true; however, what one _thinks_ is jazz is not necessarily jazz (unless of course one _knows_ what jazz is ;-). - "smooth" jazz is rarely jazz (one of my local "smooth" jazz stations recently advertised a playlist including Steely Dan, Marvin Gaye, Al Jarreau, Patti Austin, Sade, Sting, Luther Vandross, Grover Washington, Jr., Kenny G, Lionel Ritchie, Dave Koz, Randy Crawford, Donald Fagen, Peabo Bryson, Anita Baker, Phil Collins, The Rippingtons, Michael Franks, and Whitney Houston. Personally, I don't feel anyone on that list is what I call jazz, although reasonable people may debate a couple of them). Actually, "smooth" jazz may be an oxymoron. - The list of "real" jazz examples could be expanded ad nauseum; I'd nominate John Coltrane and Eric Dolphy (was Miles already on there?), for example. But if your list includes Louis Armstrong, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, Charles Mingus, that's a pretty good start. A more interesting question for this list might be "Is there such a thing as electronic jazz?" or "Who do you like in electronic jazz?" I loved Weather Report/Joe Zawinul, and Herbie Hancock did some interesting things. But for quite a while my favorite synthesist has been George Duke. I'd be interested to know if there are good jazz synthesists coming up today that folks on the list enjoy. Also, I seem to remember that Karen had a "*.nyu.edu" address. Karen, if you're in New York, you're in one of the best places to find out about jazz first-hand. It's the center of the jazz world. The Blue Note, Bradley's, Fat Tuesdays, Village Gate, Village Vanguard, etc. (I haven't been there for a few years, so not sure what's survived) Ask some friends, go hear some live jazz, you'll figure out what it is. (one of the interesting theories about the origin of jazz is that at the end of the civil war, the freed slaves took up band instruments left behind by the home-bound military bands...) > > >please tell me exactly what is jazz and its origin. thanks in advance. > > > >KR > > -------- > > >What is Jazz? To quote Dizzy Gillespie (or was it Louis Armstrong?): > > > > "If ya gotta ask, you ain't never gonna know." > > > >__ > >Ben Cox cox@transarc.com > > ------- > > "Ask and ye shall receive." > > Jazz is the spontaneous expression of the soul through music. > As the soul has very few restrictions in its freedoms -once liberated > ...so as jazz. > The free-flowing musical form is explicative of the sencible (intellect) > emotional subject. > > Of its origin, it could be stated that it may have come as a result or in > co-incidence > with the Dadist or Nihlist movements from the earliest decades of the 20th > Century. > Its developement was encouraged through the roaring 1920's speakeasies in > Harlem, St Louis and Chicago, and the most reknowned of the performers were > black.(soul) > > The communist Russians had to say of the movement in the 1930's: > "It is a capitalist conspiracy in order to keep the worker's mind from his > troubles once he has left his work-place; by filling it with thoughts > resulting in acts of love-making." > > Little did the Ruskies know, the McCarthy types were having their own > difficulties "getting-down with IT." > > We should be a little more helpful in educating our peers, Mr. Cox. > Viel Gluck, Karen > _frederick > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:57:32 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: "" Subject: Re: jazz PLUS jazz synthesists/prog jazz Yea, great idea, I'd like to find out who the group thinks are interesting new electronic jazz artists. Hard to define, though. I'll propose that electronic jazz can encompass not only jazz players using synthesizers, but also jazz players using modern, electronic instruments like stratocasters, electric basses, etc. (Maybe off topic a bit for the list, but interesting to E-Music folks, I'm guessing). Prime examples of this latter group in my mind would be Chick Corea Electric Project, Pat Methany -- maybe even Tribal Tech. Opinions? Neil nm1@shafer.usa.com ---------- From: mail@ih (Marshall Otwell) {mbo@ICTV.COM} >>A more interesting question for this list might be "Is there such a thing as electronic jazz?" or "Who do you like in electronic jazz?" I loved Weather Report/Joe Zawinul, and Herbie Hancock did some interesting things. But for quite a while my favorite synthesist has been George Duke. I'd be interested to know if there are good jazz synthesists coming up today that folks on the list enjoy.>> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:13:36 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: mark simon Subject: Limits, what limits? > >>The people, myself included, who find Stravinsky very soulful never set >foot inside >those places > >too bad. there are enough limitations set upon us as there is; -a shame to >put them upon oneself..... But you still have to understand that *you* are limiting yourself by only concerning yourself with people between 17 and 33 that go to dance clubs. Believe me there is a lot of music being made and enjoyed outside of those parameters. My professional activities in music include composing, performing, teaching, and writing about music. I have just completed a musical called "Jennie's Will" which is now in rehearsal and will be performed in late January. This coming weekend I will be playing a concert with the Binghamton Symphony and reviewing a concert by the Guarneri Quartet, this in addition to the 15 clarinet students I teach every week and my full-time music cataloging job at Cornell. I confess to having neglected my MIDI rig, except as a means of producing crude approximations of my music to facilitate the singers who have to learn it, but I do continue to take voice lessons in order to refine my vocal writing. I find myself limited by the fact that there are only 24 hours in a day, and 8 of those have to be occupied with sleeping, but otherwise I'm so far up to my ears in music that my non-presence at dance clubs is hardly an issue. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Mark G. Simon Music cataloger Central Tech. Services Cornell University Libraries mgs2@cornell.edu ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 23:41:51 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bsgood@AOL.COM Subject: Electronic Jazz (was Re: jazz) Marshall Otwell wrote: >A more interesting question for this list might be "Is there such a thing >as electronic jazz?" or "Who do you like in electronic jazz?" I loved >Weather Report/Joe Zawinul, and Herbie Hancock did some interesting things. >But for quite a while my favorite synthesist has been George Duke. I'd >be interested to know if there are good jazz synthesists coming up today >that folks on the list enjoy. I heard Jim Beard with Wayne Shorter earlier this year. He also recorded some nice stuff with Dave Liebman, I think (a nice frenetic reading of Coltrane's "India" comes to mind). Adam Holzman also did some synth work with Miles and Wayne Shorter. And does anyone know what happened to Patrick Gleason? He was involved synth performance and programming on some of Hancock's pre-commercial electric work ("Sextant" and "Crossings"). Of course, there's Michael Brecker, who's done some truly astonishing things with an Akai EWI/Steinerphone. Listen to "Original Rays" on his self-titled Impulse abum ca. 1987. If anyone can tell me how he created the introduction to that piece, I'd be eternally grateful. And speaking of Joe Zawinul--check out the "pepe" controller he's been using recently. It's a small keyboard with a mouthpiece of some sort coming out of one end. He's used it on his recent albums, and at the Berklee Herb Pomeroy Tribute Concert. IMO it's genuinely bad. For all his talent, he apparently hasn't yet figured out how to program for wind control--the sounds he gets from it don't seem to be nearly as expressive as a properly set-up EWI or WX-7. >Also, I seem to remember that Karen had a "*.nyu.edu" address. Karen, if >you're in New York, you're in one of the best places to find out about jazz >first-hand. It's the center of the jazz world. The Blue Note, Bradley's, >Fat Tuesdays, Village Gate, Village Vanguard, etc. (I haven't been there >for a few years, so not sure what's survived) Ask some friends, go hear >some live jazz, you'll figure out what it is. ...and to get an idea of the sophisticated end of the jazz spectrum, check out Maria Schneider's band. She's been doing a pretty regular monday night gig in the city, though I don't remember the club name. Brian Good ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:09:28 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David John Rosborough Subject: HD recording question Hi there.. this is bordering on the off-topic line, I think, but I'm getting sort of desparate for answers. I'm currently working on a project at my university that involves digitizing tapes of lectures and broadcasting them via the web (uggh.). The broadcasting part I can deal with, but the digitizing, on a budget, is going to be more tricky. I need a card that has about 16 inputs, because we will be digitizing about 300 lectures per week, and we need to do it fast. The other trick is that we certainly can't afford Pro Tools (the system would run upwards of $20000 CDN including computer). So far, I've found a card by National Instruments that should do the trick. It has 16 analog inputs and can handle a pretty broad bandwidth. Quality is not overly important (the tapes are pretty bad themselves, and web streaming audio is even worse - 8bit 11kHz mono will be the final product). The problem is that I have no idea what format the data will be landing on the hard disk in. Basically, I'm wondering if anyone has any experience in this sort of thing, or with National Instruments in particular. Another thing that we will need is batch processing software for doing track-splitting and sample rate conversions. Oh yeah, the only other requirement is that it is Mac-based, seeing as how Apple is actually paying my wages this time... Thanx a lot... TTYL DaveR ________________________________________________________ Dave Rosborough Web Designer, Database junkie Apple Education Consultants Program @ SFU Sales @ SFU Microcomputer Store - 291-3098 drosboro@sfu.ca http://www.educ.sfu.ca/people/davidr/ ________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:04:55 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: PBoulez1@AOL.COM Subject: Re: HD recording question Personally, If you're not worried about quality (8-bit), I would use a Mac that already has RCA ins and outs (Power Macs 7600, 8500, and 9500) and record directly using a shareware program. Check out "Sound Effects 0.9.2". It can be found, (I think) at "http://www.MacintoshOs.com" With this program, you can record directly in at 44100 and convert it to 11kHz. Because the quality will be poor anyway, I don't see a reason to by any other software. M. Ray McFerron P.s. with SoundEffects, the file format is either AIFF or System 7, but another shareware program, "Brian's Sountool" is available to convert AIFF's to .Wav files. Good Luck.