========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:54:33 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Martin Russ Subject: Subscription FAQs 1.0 (third posting) Comments: To: SYNTH-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Warning: Long Document (193 lines, 1031 words, about 3 pages)-------------- EMUSIC-L and SYNTH-L Frequently Asked Questions: Subscriptions This document is posted sometime, especially when triggered by the key phrase 'how do I subscribe to' in a list posting... It is intended that this document should answer many of the questions regularly asked by subscribers to the lists. Comments and corrections should be sent to the maintainer, Martin Russ, at: mruss@midi.dungeon.com This is the third posting of Issue 1.0, 4th August 1996. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This FAQ has been extracted from the Admin FAQ V1.4, with some additions. TOPIC INDEX################################################################ - Subscriptions (all) - Remember this! - Unsubscribing - Subscribing - Digests - Subscription options SUBSCRIPTIONS############################################################## ##"What do I need to remember?"############################################ Either keep these FAQs, or remember just this: You send subscription-related mail messages to listserv@american.edu (Do NOT send them to EMUSIC-L@american.edu or SYNTH-L@american.edu) ##"How do I unsubscribe?"################################################## For EMUSIC-L, you send mail to listserv@american.edu with the text UNSUB EMUSIC-L as the body. No special subject is required. For SYNTH-L, you send mail to listserv@american.edu with the text UNSUB SYNTH-L as the body. Again, no special subject is required. If this does not work, you will get a message saying that no entry was found for your ID. Please contact Joe McMahon (mcmahon@CLARK.NET) or Mike Metlay directly. Please, do *NOT* post unsubscribe messages to the list. They don't help, and simply irritate other readers. AOL subscribers may experience some problems with unsubscribing from the listserv. This may be a communications problem or an incompatibility... If you cannot unsubscribe then please save any messages that you may receive from the listserv and send them to Joe McMahon (mcmahon@CLARK.NET). ##"How do I subscribe?"#################################################### To join the discussion group on a message-by-message basis, send a mail message to listserv@american.edu with the text SUB EMUSIC-L where "" is your actual first and last name (at a minimum; LISTSERV insists on at least two blank-separated words here). Do not send subscription requests to the list address, as they only serve to annoy the other list members. For SYNTH-L, you do exactly the same, but replace the text 'EMUSIC-L' with 'SYNTH-L'. ##"How do I subscribe to the daily digest?"################################ If you would like to get daily digests of the mail to EMUSIC-L, send the following mail to listserv@american.edu: SUB EMUSIC-L SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST where "" should be replaced by your first and last name (at a minimum; LISTSERV insists on at least two blank-separated words here). Note that these two commands should be on separate lines: SUB EMUSIC-L SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST so that the listserv will interpret them correctly. Do not send subscription requests to the list address, as they only serve to annoy the otherlist members. For SYNTH-L, you do exactly the same, but replace the text 'EMUSIC-L' with 'SYNTH-L'. ##"How do I unsubscribe from the full list and subscribe to the digest?"### If you would like to get daily digests of the mail to EMUSIC-L instead of the message-by-message form, just send the following mail message to listserv@american.edu: SET EMUSIC-L DIGEST You will then get one message per day, which consists of a list of topics, followed by all the messages which have been posted in the previous 24 hours. For SYNTH-L, you do exactly the same, but replace the text 'EMUSIC-L' with 'SYNTH-L'. AOL subscribers may experience some problems in changing their subscription details via the listserv. This may be a communications problem or an incompatibility... 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(Please do NOT send to EMUSIC-L@american.edu or SYNTH-L@american.edu!) This generates a reply like this: Subscription options for Andrew N. Other , list EMUSIC-L: MAIL You are sent individual postings as they are received FULLHDR Full (normal) mail headers (formerly "FULLBSMTP") NOREPRO You do not receive a copy of your own postings NOACK No acknowledgement of successfully processed postings CONCEAL Your subscription is concealed from non-privileged users; note that posting to the list will reveal your presence In this case the option NOREPRO is set: ie Andrew does not get copies of his own postings sent to him. This is the default for subscribers, so you won't get copies of your own posts when you sign on the list. If you want to change this, send the following command to listserv@american.edu: SET EMUSIC-L REPRO For SYNTH-L, you do exactly the same, but replace the text 'EMUSIC-L' with 'SYNTH-L'. The listserver should then send you your new subscription options. ##"Is there a quick reference card?"####################################### There is a listserver reference card, which gives details of how to do the above and more. This can be obtained by sending the following command to listserv@american.edu: INFO REFCARD The listserver will then send you a file of the commands that you can use with the list. ##Contributors############################################################# Contributions and suggestions by Mike Metlay, Joe McMahon, Clive McFarland, David Rodger, Martin Russ... ########################################################################### ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Russ Reviewer & Columnist for Sound On Sound Magazine (UK) mruss@midi.dungeon.com Hi-Tech Music Technical Author & MIDI Consultant http://www.dungeon.com/~midi Macintosh & Synthesizer Programmer ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:19:48 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Arnold's choice -Reply MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Terry and other readers... > In summation, if I had to fear punishment or physical harm for merely > expressing myself artistically in an artform or medium or style of > approach or viewpoint that was 'non-traditional' I would feel I was > living amidst an uncivilized society. On the other hand... One might argue that our civilization (such as it is -- I'd rather not discuss whether it merits the term!) now encourages novelty, which is in turn facilitated by technological determinism. Without some sense of tradition (or at least history) one risks re-inventing the wheel in one's own lifetime. Every generation seems to feel nostalgia for its youth, or for what seemed like a better time then. Notice that now, revivals of music, art and fashion come only twenty years after the original works (or even less time). Does anyone else get the sense that we're chasing our tails in ever-smaller circles? If one were to stop for a moment and actually concentrate on an approach or a style, one might be better able to develop one's methods for creating art. At least with respect to music, I can't help feeling that, over the last decade, lack of creative development and lack of tradition (or a sense of history) has resulted in increasingly facile and banal music. This is exemplified by spotty faced youths with mountains of analog gear producing music which sounds _very_ like every other dance record (whoops! showed my hand!) on the market while claiming originality. Nick, that's why I stopped reading British music mags (you might recall our conversions on this in the past). Now, please don't take this as a rant against dance music. It's simply the most cogent example I can think of right now. And if you know of dance music which is original or even just good (by whatever standards), that's great. (In recent weeks, we've had list members talking about this or that record.) Some of you might even argue that, in any age, bad music is written and is ultimately rejected and does not survive. The only problem now is that musicians and composers have unprecedented access to the means of preserving their work -- that wasn't the case before this century. They also have increasing means of distributing and promoting their work (the Internet is the most ubiquitous at this point). On the one hand, as Terry said, we have pre-industrial and pre-literate cultures which value the past because they have no means of divorcing themselves from it. Without a method for recording knowledge, one has to remember what's important, and what can be remembered is limited, given all that one has to do just to survive. (Note that some cultures have specialists in their oral history -- witness the griots of the Mandinka.) On the other hand, when you can commit knowledge to a medium outside the memory, you can put it aside, safe in the certainty that you will be able to retrieve it later when you need it. Then you can move on to something else. While I doubt that anyone here would value the past for the past's sake, it is sometimes valuable to sit still. For those with an interest, I recommend two books: Eisenstein, Elizabeth. 1979. The Printing Press as an Agent of Change: Communications and Cultural Transformations in Early-Modern Europe. 2.vols. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. Ong, Walter. 1982. Orality and Literacy: The Technologizing of the Word. New York: Methuen. The first is out of print (if you see it, I'll buy it!). The second is still available. Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au http://farben.latrobe.edu.au/d_rdoger/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 14:16:38 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Arnold's choice -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >One might argue that our civilization (such as it is -- I'd rather not discuss >whether it merits the term!) now encourages novelty, ...and... >I can't help feeling that, over the last >decade, lack of creative development and lack of tradition (or a sense of >history) has resulted in increasingly facile and banal music. This is >exemplified by spotty faced youths with mountains of analog gear producing >music which sounds _very_ like every other dance record (whoops! showed my >hand!) on the market while claiming originality. Superficially you contradict yourself here, but this throws up an interesting thread. Do we live in a society which encourages and welcomes The New, or which encourages and welcomes established formulae? I would definitely say the latter. Innovation is threatening to the status quo, and the majority will always resist it. Perhaps your point is that "novelty" is a watered down, non-threatening trapping which pretends at newness without actually being too revolutionary: innovation as fashion statement. >While I doubt that anyone here would value the past for the past's sake, it >is sometimes valuable to sit still. I think my take on this is that history has important lessons to teach us, mainly because some truths (especially those concerning human nature) are fairly timeless. But this doesn't mean that imitating the past is something that's at all worth doing. (Any NODE fans out there?) Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL contemporary dance projects http://www.cassiel.com music synthesis and control years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:16:14 +1000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Rodger Subject: Re: Arnold's choice -Reply MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Nick... > Superficially you contradict yourself here But only superficially. In the first excerpt you reproduced, I said that civilization encourages novelty (on further reflection, I'd need to be convinced of this too!). In the second, I judged lack of a sense of history and lack of creative development to be a factor in increasingly banal music. Since I made no judgment about the supposed encouragement of novelty or its consequences, there is no contradiction. I suppose the lesson to be learned here is that what we pass off as observation (or claim to be fact, verifiable or not) may actually be a value judgment. I'll be careful next time I muse. :-) Regards, David musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au http://farben.latrobe.edu.au/d_rodger/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:06:59 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Lisa Jenkins Subject: test (do not read) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is a test message. do not bother to read it. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:12:48 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Lisa Jenkins Subject: hi MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i am new to the list, so i just wanted to say hi. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:02:00 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City Subject: Re: Arnold's choice -Reply In-Reply-To: from "Nick Rothwell" at Feb 23, 97 02:16:38 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nick Rothwell writes-- > >Superficially you contradict yourself here, but this throws up an >interesting thread. Do we live in a society which encourages and welcomes >The New, or which encourages and welcomes established formulae? I would >definitely say the latter. Innovation is threatening to the status quo, and >the majority will always resist it. > >Perhaps your point is that "novelty" is a watered down, non-threatening >trapping which pretends at newness without actually being too >revolutionary: innovation as fashion statement. This is news? In my experience, most things that are truly new, as opposed to merely being old things with a new coat of paint, are reacted to with shock, anger, and fear. The capacity to absorb and accept newness, and to judge it by rational rather than kneejerk criteria, is the hallmark of the inquisitive mind, of which there are very few in the music business. Still trying to work up the courage to listen to the new Enya album, mike -- Me: "As usual, I'm hours behind where I have to be...." John Simonton: "A constant state for those who give a sh*t." ========================================================================== Mike Metlay - ATOMIC CITY - P. O. Box 81175, Pittsburgh, PA 15217-0675 USA = atomic@netcom.com -- http://pd.net/atomic-city -- 800.924.ATOM = CD orders via LOFTY PURSUITS: 800.548.6724 & 904.385.6463, FAX 904.668.5825 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:49:20 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jacek Staszewski Subject: Hi Comments: To: IMCEAX400-c=US+3Ba=+20+3Bp=PEPSI+3Bo=EMEA+3Bdda+3Asmtp=emusic-l+40american+2Eedu+3B@intl.pepsi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm new to this group, so I just want to say 'Hello' to everybody. I've joined EMUSIC-L because I wonder how come that electronically made sounds can create such a fantastic and psychodelic visions in my mind. Perhaps I will never get an answer, but it's worth to listen what others think. RGDS, Jacek Jacek.Staszewski@intl.Pepsi.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:09:36 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: William_B_Fox Subject: Re: EM Concerts Dr. Mike asks: > "Ministry of Inside Things"?! Yes, Peter and Chuck started to use that as a band name last year. And the latest I heard on Star's End over the weekend, is that Art Cohen on electric guitar will be included in the group at this Sunday's concert. I don't know if this change is temporary or permanent. (As if any group line up could be considered permanent! But that's another thread and an old complaint.) Art played at one of the lower numbered Gatherings. Solo, I thought that he was pretty good. But in the portion of his set where Chuck joined him with a MIDI sequence and live keyborad parts he really started to shine. Together with Peter Gulch, I anticipate a wonderful show from this trio. For further info, try the Star's End web site. http://www.starsend.org Bill BillFox@lucent.com Host of "Emusic" Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown & Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton & Phillipsburg. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:42:17 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Terry Leigh Britton Subject: Re: Hi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacek Staszewski wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm new to this group, so I just want to say 'Hello' to everybody. > > I've joined EMUSIC-L because I wonder how come that electronically made > sounds can create such a fantastic and psychodelic visions in my mind. > Perhaps I will never get an answer, but it's worth to listen what others > think. > > RGDS, Jacek > Jacek.Staszewski@intl.Pepsi.com I have three parts to my response: Culture, the Composer, and the Sound Designer. Your culture (the one you grew up in, probably) helped you define meanings associated with certain sounds, scales, and tempos. In western cultures, a bassoon is moody, plaintive and mysterious, a trumpet clear, direct, and bright. (I'm being extrememly elementary here, I know.) Major and minor chords and scales have associated meanings to you, due to various influences, an easy one being movies and TV soundtracks. A skilled composer within a specific culture works with his or her own knowledge of these cultural definitions of sounds, and adds an element of his or her own to that cultural definition in the arrangement of instruments and their interplay amongst each other. If a dramatic mood is desired, the instrumentation is a beginning point, but as Ligeti demonstrates in 'Atmospheres' (that 'psychedelic' soundtrack played during the trippy sequence of '2001-A Space Odyssey'), scale and melodic definitions can be taken over by the composer, yet still induce a powerful effect. To the people of the turn of the century, Stravinsky, Mahler, Ravel, Mussorgsky, and others contemporary of that (century-deep) period were creating 'psychedelic,' or otherwise altered consciousness-state inducements, in the concert halls of those days. The sound designer of the twentieth century took cues from these masters of instrumentation, but also had to define for themselves the meanings which the new, electronic sounds held for them. Although certainly the cultural layers were an influence, as time and technology progressed, it became more and more apparent that the character of a sound on its own could be molded to speak volumes of meaning by itself - not requiring an 80-piece orchestra to generate the sound, either. So, the art of sound design picked up from the art of orchestration and instrumentation to convey depths of meaning within the sounds themselves, and these new, complex entities were then utilized by composers (often also the sound designers) to skillfully apply them towards making a powerful statement of mood or feeling. The listener (you, in this case) still employs their cultural impressions upon the final product, but now has much more to deal with, as the sounds themselves convey so much information. So, the potential for stimulating the imagination is amplified, thanks to the application of artistically molded aural motifs to artistically molded compositional approaches and strategies. But, keep in mind, the newness-factor also adds its own layer of excitement to the imagination. In uncharted territory, one is more free to make their own maps, before any cultural-consensus has a chance to influence our definitions for us. But, that's just an opinion... -- Terry Leigh Britton http://www.rbdc.com/~brittont My website has music business, Korg Wavestation, Korg S3, Yamaha TX81Z, Creative Labs Soundblaster AWE32, and PC and Mac music utilities, patches and information, as well as links to the websites of all participants on the Wavestation mailing list who's URL's I am aware of. AND NOW, THE WAVESTATION TIP OF THE DAY ARCHIVES, TOO! :) Check it out! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:23:00 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Corey H Maass Subject: Re: Hi In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII because yr a product of lots of movies and teevee and we are used to the format of sound and site. watch an old silent movie and try to not add yr own accompanyment. this is a good thing i think. because we are seeing and experiencing things that were never possible, we now dare to dream if youll forgive the cliche. sagel > Hi all, > > I'm new to this group, so I just want to say 'Hello' to everybody. > > I've joined EMUSIC-L because I wonder how come that electronically made > sounds can create such a fantastic and psychodelic visions in my mind. > Perhaps I will never get an answer, but it's worth to listen what others > think. > > RGDS, Jacek > Jacek.Staszewski@intl.Pepsi.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:24:23 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Newness and Cycles (Re: Arnold's choice -Reply) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >This is news? In my experience, most things that are truly new, as opposed >to merely being old things with a new coat of paint, are reacted to with >shock, anger, and fear. Been there. Done that. There are different axes of newness, I guess. There's the how-deep-is-it newness, and there's the how-long-will-it-take newness. I seem to be completely stuck with the latter, for some reason. It's not as if what I'm doing is any attempt to set fashions - all I'm into when it comes down to it is performing electronic music without keyboards or sequencers, and messing around with imagery - but it looks as if it'll take five or ten years for me to get anywhere, judging by all the blank stares I keep getting when I try to explain it. And being a weak-evaluator/explorer, strong-committer, I stubbornly refuse to quit, even when I get nowhere. But enough of me... Quite common in the dance scene is shock-as-newness, involving very loud music, lots of running against walls or throwing oneself onto the floor, and so on. It seems to go down well, being a kind of youth thing I guess, but I prefer performance work which attempts to say something, even if one has to work at it as a spectator. I guess it must be an age thing. Everything goes in cycles, and all cycles are different in size, nested and spiralled in complicated ways. We're getting older and seeing the bigger cycles. But the bloody millenium is screwing us all up like a demented waveguide by throwing the cycles back at us, mirror-image, in an ever accelerating wave of retro trends. >Still trying to work up the courage to listen to the new Enya album, A promising artist, in the early days, armed with nothing more than a DX7, Juno 60 and Emulator I (or maybe a II - I forget), with an interesting image (black evening dress, high heels and a couple of vicious-looking dogs) and capable of turning out some nice little numbers like the arpeggio-laden ALDEBARAN. Then the Californians caught wind of her, said "Oh, she's IRISH, how CUTE" and everything went new agey, twee and ethnic. Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL contemporary dance projects http://www.cassiel.com music synthesis and control years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:23:22 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Arnold's choice -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Since I made no judgment about the supposed encouragement of novelty or its >consequences, there is no contradiction. Agreed, and I wasn't criticising, just highlighting something I found interesting. Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL contemporary dance projects http://www.cassiel.com music synthesis and control years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:35:41 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Craig Marks Subject: It's been a while, but....... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Clive, I know its been awhile, but I remember you mentioning that you wanted to pick up a cheap Alesis D4 and I just ran across the following. ____________________________________ For sale: Alesis D4, good shape, no manual $130 plus shipping Let me know if you're interested. Mark Knudsen markk@onramp.net 770.698.2957 ______________________________________ Anyway, I thought I'd pass it on just in case. I hope all is well with you. -Craig ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:24:13 +0000 Reply-To: cnielsen@earthlink.net Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Courtney Nielsen Subject: Re: Newness and Cycles (Re: Arnold's choice -Reply) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nick Rothwell wrote: > > Then the Californians caught wind of her, said "Oh, she's IRISH, how CUTE" > and everything went new agey, twee and ethnic. > > Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL contemporary dance projects > http://www.cassiel.com music synthesis and control > > years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again HEY! I live in california!! I think the problem with Enya and other artists like her was that most people over here heard them first through commercials for cars and soft drinks, and as background love-making music in soap operas... just a thought. -Courtney ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:30:06 +0000 Reply-To: cnielsen@earthlink.net Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Courtney Nielsen Subject: back to the "is it art" thing (sorry) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If youre still having problems with old and new music being classified as "art": A friend of mine had a great answer to it all: If you have to ask yourself or someone else if its art, then the answer is NO. Try it out! Is my music art? NO. Is your music art? NO. Is music art? NO. Is art art? NO. Does it really matter? NO. wow, this works great... -Courtney Enter flame here:__________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:05:22 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Terry Leigh Britton Subject: Re: back to the "is it art" thing (sorry) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Courtney Nielsen wrote: > > If youre still having problems with old and new music being classified > as "art": > > A friend of mine had a great answer to it all: > > If you have to ask yourself or someone else if its art, then the answer > is NO. > > Try it out! > > Is my music art? > > NO. > > Is your music art? > > NO. > > Is music art? > > NO. > > Is art art? > > NO. > > Does it really matter? > > NO. > > wow, this works great... > > -Courtney > > Enter flame > here:__________________________________________________________ Wherefore art thou??? (sorry!) -- Terry Leigh Britton http://www.rbdc.com/~brittont [Music Business, Korg Wavestation & S3, Yamaha TX81Z, Creative Labs Soundblaster AWE32, PC, Mac, music utilities, patches, information, Wavestation TIP OF THE DAY archives. Also, links to websites of all participants on the Wavestation mailing list who's URL's I am aware of.] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:16:28 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: David Crandall Subject: Re: back to the "is it art" thing (sorry) In-Reply-To: <33162F52.3591@rbdc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Terry Leigh Britton wrote: > Courtney Nielsen wrote: > > > > If youre still having problems with old and new music being classified > > as "art": > > > > A friend of mine had a great answer to it all: > > > > If you have to ask yourself or someone else if its art, then the answer > > is NO. Chuck Close the painter said: when you finish it, if you think it looks like art, chances are it's somebody else's art... (as opposed, I guess, to finishing it and saying, "Don't know what the hell it is, but it's mine and I like it.") ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 03:14:46 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Lauran Gangl Subject: Looking to buy.. Need a cheap MIDI keyboard - with in AND out ports. Looking to spend up to $150, please contact me direct: Laurang69@aol.com or thegangbangs@earthlink.net Share the music, Lauran ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:54:37 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ronnie Glenn Subject: Re: back to the "is it art" thing (sorry) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Music is art just as much as carving a piece of wood into an undefined shape is called "modern art." ROnnie GLenn At 08:05 PM 2/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Courtney Nielsen wrote: >> >> If youre still having problems with old and new music being classified >> as "art": >> >> A friend of mine had a great answer to it all: >> >> If you have to ask yourself or someone else if its art, then the answer >> is NO. >> >> Try it out! >> >> Is my music art? >> >> NO. >> >> Is your music art? >> >> NO. >> >> Is music art? >> >> NO. >> >> Is art art? >> >> NO. >> >> Does it really matter? >> >> NO. >> >> wow, this works great... >> >> -Courtney >> >> Enter flame >> here:__________________________________________________________ > > > > >Wherefore art thou??? (sorry!) > > >-- > > >Terry Leigh Britton > >http://www.rbdc.com/~brittont >[Music Business, Korg Wavestation & S3, Yamaha TX81Z, Creative Labs >Soundblaster AWE32, PC, Mac, music utilities, patches, information, >Wavestation TIP OF THE DAY archives. Also, links to websites of all >participants on the Wavestation mailing list who's URL's I am aware of.] > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:56:30 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ronnie Glenn Subject: Re: It's been a while, but....... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Whats an Alesis D4? ROnnie GLenn At 08:35 AM 2/27/97 -0800, you wrote: >Clive, I know its been awhile, but I remember you mentioning that you >wanted to pick up a cheap Alesis D4 and I just ran across the following. > >____________________________________ >For sale: >Alesis D4, good shape, no manual >$130 plus shipping > >Let me know if you're interested. > >Mark Knudsen >markk@onramp.net >770.698.2957 >______________________________________ > >Anyway, I thought I'd pass it on just in case. I hope all is well with you. > > -Craig > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:13:37 EST Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: William_B_Fox Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Playlist for "EMUSIC" on WDIY-FM, Allentown 88.1 FM in Allentown/Bethleham and 93.9 FM in Easton/Phillipsburg Show #6 February 27, 1997. Host: Bill Fox This show is the fourth in a month-long focus on the emusic scene in the Netherlands. Each week, a CD was featured at midnight. In addition, a preview of the upcoming Star's End Gathering in Philadelphia was presented by playing the music of The Ministry of Inside Things (Chuck van Zyl & Peter Gulch). ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================= =============================== 11:00 pm C. van Zyl / P. Gulch Sub-Space Fields Regeneration Mode (Synkronos) The Nightcrawlers In a Distant Corridor Shadows of Light (Synkronos) Chuck van Zyl BeyondTheKnownHorizon The Relic (Centaur) Chuck van Zyl The Moment of Totality Celestial Mechanics (Centaur) 12:00 am Zodiac Dynamic I.C. (Cue) Zodiac Rhythmic I.C. (Cue) Zodiac Synphonic I.C. (Cue) 1:00 am Sign off On next week's program, I'll continue to preview the upcoming Star's End Gathering on March 29th and begin a month-long spotlight on one of space music's premier artists, Steve Roach. The midnight feature CD will be Steve's most recent solo effort, "The Magnificent Void." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:33:46 -0800 Reply-To: jefff@dgii.com Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jeff Fried Organization: digi international Subject: Re: Call for Authors Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit M. Griffin wrote: > Sorry for cross post, but a post calling for comp/music/synth book authors was posted and I accidently erased it. I believe it was sent to one of these lists. Could someone please send me the email or repost it. Thanks in advance, -- Jeff. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 20:02:26 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jacky Schreiber Subject: useful info I got these 2 messages from the algo-comp list, some of you might find it useful. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- from: Dr. Karlheinz Essl[SMTP:essl@ping.at] sent: Tue. 25 Feb 1997 14:17 PM to: algo-comp@serial.music.uiowa.edu subject: Announcement: LEXIKON-SONATE ONLINE... (sorry....) LEXIKON-SONATE ONLINE... LEXIKON-SONATE, an infinite interactive realtime composition for computer-controlled piano, was originally implemented as a computer program (written in MAX) which used to run only on Apple Macintosh computers: http://www.ping.at/users/essl/works/Lexikon-Sonate.html Since recently, this piece is also available on the Web and you can listen to its completely unforeseeable music online. Please point your browser to: http://www.ping.at/users/essl/works/lexson-online.html There are existing two different versions: * an interactive, form-based CGI-script where you can combine the various musical structure generators at will; * a non-interactive Javascript implementation which will play a new version every time you reload the page (be surprised!); System Requirements: A Web browser which is capable of playing different MIDI-files at the same time; a Javascript-savy browser is obligatory for the Javascript version. Best results have been obtained with Netscape 3.0 (with installed LiveAudio-PlugIn) on an Apple Macintosh computer with Quicktime 2.5. Dr. Karlheinz Essl SAMT - Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology Bruckner-Konservatorium Linz / Austria www: http://www.ping.at/users/essl/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Visit the MindShipMind - an interactive multimedial Web Oracle http://www.ping.at/users/essl/works/mindshipmind.html ________________________________________________________________________ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx from: Christopher Yavelow[SMTP:Christopher@yav.com] sent: mon. 24 Feb 1997 18:13 PM to: algo-comp@serial.music.uiowa.edu subject: Seeking Authors Computer Music and Digital Audio Series (A-R Editions) Seeking Authors. We are actively seeking authors for A-R Editions' Computer Music and Digital Audio Series. The series now includes books on synthesizer performance, MIDI and multimedia, digital audio, musical programming, General MIDI, interactive composition, and composition by computer. While continuing with the of high-end reference works for which the series is known, we are expanding the series with more titles for the classroom, working computer musician, and computer-music hobbyist. With this in mind, we welcome proposals for guides dedicated to individual music software products. Wherever appropriate, we plan to include CD-ROMs with future books in the series. Please submit proposals to series editor Christopher Yavelow (mailTo:Christopher@yav.com) or managing editor Jim Zychowicz (mailTo:Jameslz@areditions.com). Proposal Guidelines (version 1.1) is available for download in the following formats: Word for Macintosh: http://www.yav.com/ARE/PG11MAC.WRD.hqx Word for Windows: http://www.yav.com/ARE/PG11WIN.WRD.hqx Rich Text Format (RTF): http://www.yav.com/ARE/PG11.RTF ASCII Text Christopher Yavelow ====================================================== Series Editor: Computer Music and Digital Audio Series ------------------------------------------------------ PostBus 5413 -- 2000 GK, Haarlem -- The Netherlands E-Mail: Christopher@yav.com -or- AOL, CIS: Bytehoven WWW Home: http://www.yav.com CM and DAS: http://www.yav.com/ARE/CompMus.html +31 (0)23-571-6282 = voice +31 (0)23-571-6245 = fax ====================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----__________________________________ best Jacky Schreiber-------->jackysch@ven.net http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1094 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 20:51:27 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Paul Geffen Subject: Free MIDI sequence generator for Windows 95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A software replica of a vintage synthesizer, the Trident Muse, may be downloaded from http://www.tiac.net/users/lpaul/muse.html - Paul Paul Geffen SQA, Inc. http://www.tiac.net/users/lpaul ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:49:55 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Terry Leigh Britton Subject: Re: Free MIDI sequence generator for Windows 95 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Geffen wrote: > > A software replica of a vintage synthesizer, the Trident Muse, may be > downloaded from > > http://www.tiac.net/users/lpaul/muse.html > > - Paul > > Paul Geffen > SQA, Inc. > http://www.tiac.net/users/lpaul WOW! I had completely forgotten about this sweetie!! 'Til I went to the museum pages you list at your site to see pictures of them again... Can't wait to play with your program... used to play with the original machine a lot! :) (Gosh, I must be getting 'vintage' myself!) :\ -- Terry Leigh Britton http://www.rbdc.com/~brittont [Music Business, Korg Wavestation & S3, Yamaha TX81Z, Creative Labs Soundblaster AWE32, PC, Mac, music utilities, patches, information, Wavestation TIP OF THE DAY archives. Also, links to websites of all participants on the Wavestation mailing list who's URL's I am aware of.]