========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:48:00 MET Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: HOUBEN Matt Subject: Re: Kraftwerk. >Dear e-mail reader. > > I would like to become better aquinted with the music type >associated with the Kraftwerk albums. To be specific, I am interested in >other bands such as kraftwerk and das punk. I don't know where to find >them. Please help me with some record names which I might find at a >music store. I had some problems with my e-mail connection last week, so i am not sure if this mail reached the list; so i send it again. There is (was) also a band called Logic Systems that made music like Kraftwerk and Yellow Magic Orchestra (at least the early albums). I think it is a Japanese Band; I don't know any titles by hand; have to check at home. Bye! Matt Houben e-mail:matt.houben@eurocontrol.be *** It's more fun to compute... *** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:12:29 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Eddy Alvarez Subject: Re: Kraftwerk. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Artists that are somewhat influenced, if not associated, are the following: Artist---Title Underworld---dubnobasswithmyheadman Empirion---Advanced Technology Wink---Left Above the Clouds Aphex Twin---Richard D. James Crystal Method---Vegas Banco de Gaia---Live at Glatsonbury Orbital---In Sides For more of a big beat style of things check out: Chemical Brothers---Dig Your Own Hole Fatboy Slim---Better Living through Chemistry Headrillaz---ColdHarbor Knocks(I think thats the name) DJ Icey---Funky Breaks DJ John Kelley--Funky Desert Breaks 1+2 That's all I can name of right now---hope this helps! djeddy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:35:11 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Oeivind Idsoe Subject: Re: Kraftwerk. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eddy Alvarez wrote: > Artists that are somewhat influenced, if not associated, are the following: [list deleted] Excuse me, but I think this is a silly list. Artists seem to have been included at random, and obvious people like Juan Atkins (who has explicitly expressed his influcence from Kraftwerk) and Derrick May have, for some reason, been left out. Underworld and Kraftwerk? Chemical Brothers and Kraftwerk!? I can't for the life of me trace any influence Kraftwerk might have had on these people. Come on...Chemical Bros. are using sampled rock guitars with daft and boring beats, and seem to be much more influenced by rock aesthetics than the pure electronics of the kraftwerkian empire of robots and calculators. Unless, of course, you would say that everything is related to everything else (perhaps through genetics. or the atom.), which is even more meaningless as it in any case renders your list useless because of its total relativity. Or you could say that Kraftwerk influenced Detroit Techno, Detroit Techno influenced Euro Techno, Euro Techno influenced Underworld, Underworld influenced Spice Girls. It still doesn't make this an interesting discussion, though. /Oeivind/ ...influenced by Kraftwerk and lots'n'lots of other people. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:56:59 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ric Carter Subject: Re: Kraftwerk. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Oeivind Idsoe > > Or you could say that Kraftwerk influenced Detroit Techno, Detroit Techno > influenced Euro Techno, Euro Techno influenced Underworld, Underworld > influenced Spice Girls. It still doesn't make this an interesting discussion, O boy, the Ralf-Und-Florian / Spice-Gurlz connexion - I *knew* there had to be a link! And in only 4 degrees! Now, where did I put that 101 STRINGS PLAY AUTOBAHN album ??? More seriously: we shouldn't neglect Kraftwerk's progenitors, such as Karlheinz Stockhausen, Soft Machine... who else? ric@sonic.net * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * yow! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:04:31 +0300 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CC=E8=F5=E0=EB=FC=F1=EA=E8=E9_=C0=EB=E5=EA=F1=E5=E9?= Subject: Re: A Kind of Music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, everybody! I'm new to the mailing list, so 1) it's interesting to find out what the musical preferences are. I like various, e.g. I was impressed by the concert of JM Jarre, that took place here in Moscow - beautiful (I think). Its interesting, how they all use PC and different cards. 2) What is your opinion about AWE 64. I think it's not bad... My personal address is: alexm@redline.ru Alex Mihalsky Moscow ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:46:17 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jacky Schreiber Subject: Re: Kraftwerk. ---------- from: Ric Carter[SMTP:ric@SONIC.NET] sent: Martes 16 de Diciembre de 1997 12:56 PM to: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU subject: Re: Kraftwerk. >---------- >> From: Oeivind Idsoe >> >> Or you could say that Kraftwerk influenced Detroit Techno, Detroit Techno >> influenced Euro Techno, Euro Techno influenced Underworld, Underworld >> influenced Spice Girls. It still doesn't make this an interesting >discussion, > >O boy, the Ralf-Und-Florian / Spice-Gurlz connexion - I *knew* there >had to be a link! And in only 4 degrees! Now, where did I put that >101 STRINGS PLAY AUTOBAHN album ??? > >More seriously: we shouldn't neglect Kraftwerk's progenitors, such as >Karlheinz Stockhausen, Soft Machine... who else? > >ric@sonic.net * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * yow! > Is this a joke o what?, I don't see the conection Stockhausen/Soft ---->Kraftwerk!! maybe influences can be traced down to Mahler, Bach??...etc (Oh yes!) The kraft-->detroit--->euro--->spice--->whatever in this days is more credible, they all are electronics (in a very wide sense). have fun ---------------------------------- Jacky Schreiber-->jackysch@ven.net http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1094 begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(BL2`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%0`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!%;&5C=')O;FEC($UU M``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%@```$5-55-)0RU,0$%- M15))0T%.+D5$50````,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```",````G16QE M8W1R;VYI8R!-=7-I8R!$:7-C=7-S:6]N($QI_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0`O()`@!C: K - WP#- =CH@(Q(=CX<>E R"!_!I8R!# M"L !$]!R6U--5% Z`0408T!33TY)0^ N3D5471^?&F<1L-\","%_(H@C;R1Y M325R!"#E'D @#; @1"4P") &T$,6$"SB,3DY-RRP,F0Z-2S04$TG#QIG=!YO M*.\BBBJ?)'E%354"4R:0+4Q 04U%`E(FD$%.+D5$5>,NSR@8=6)J'K$PCR*/ MBS*/)*=E.0!+>3!0$8 %0#MG( N &.!Y"E!N M8PF +1 1P -@:84%0%0%D&AN;RQ/[:]*#TL?3"]/.D4(<&]09]M5R4\Z5430 M!)!W!;!-X#]0T%@(4=]2[U/_3SI3<),E,"T`1VE8<',N1/ O!4 3P ,0`R!D M13!S;G8G!4 `P&LM`$Y0! `@_P.1"X ED0>07F 9$%EO6G^E/TYD! !C=000 M:0(@?BQ@OV'//TYDCV6?/TY/NB &X'E0T$Y0+0!2!T#D9BU8`2U&%:$', .@ MDB]=1"U'"'!L>DVA<&YN97AD04 P1/ @Y"IK;9!W*FLB%A!GKW]HOS].$8!$ MX#!@:M M`&&B(!PP;FLA.1!!1-'5"X @`B!L3C T+.$)PJ)SP40"&!S<^ Y`#NP M*)!H9TW"7O)MD&=L0 ([9R>[!" _P6<)\%! !;!S4-!W-P`1<%_ 4$'(N MDN M\A&P7V(M`&UA0 %;;<**"2^*TT!"/CMG(;N5E@# >7*13T<$(&,#D=]RD5 0 M`-!/P5ZP=P.@+D1' )4 H3X8`>72!ZBD\#%1K M06L[@ M!)"<@6JPP@3P:/I I=!NDS*KYI.XA3"*("]00 B07? %H&V<`4AO\B\9,#DT M/ Z17X])/'\7/8Z/#14Q`+M@`````P`0$ `````#`!$0`````$ `!S# .::N M40J]`4 `"## .::N40J]`1X``UD!````# ```%5305-#24DN5%).`!X`/0`! 1````!0```%)%.B `````) T` ` end ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:53:34 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jacky Schreiber Subject: Re: A Kind of Music ---------- from: Ieoaeuneee Aeaenae[SMTP:alexm@REDLINE.RU] sent: Martes 16 de Diciembre de 1997 14:04 PM to: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU subject: Re: A Kind of Music >Hello, everybody! >I'm new to the mailing list, so >1) it's interesting to find out what the musical preferences are. I like >various, e.g. I was impressed by the concert of JM Jarre, that took place >here in Moscow - beautiful (I think). Its interesting, how they all use PC >and different cards. >2) What is your opinion about AWE 64. I think it's not bad... > >My personal address is: >alexm@redline.ru >Alex Mihalsky >Moscow > I can't stand Jarre's music....maybe the shows are spectacular, but..., THE MUSIC? bye ---------------------------------- Jacky Schreiber-->jackysch@ven.net http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1094 begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(BD2`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%0`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!%;&5C=')O;FEC($UU M``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%@```$5-55-)0RU,0$%- M15))0T%.+D5$50````,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```",````G16QE M8W1R;VYI8R!-=7-I8R!$:7-C=7-S:6]N($QI`' ``0```!0```!213H@02!+:6YD(&]F($UUKH MZ<#KY>KQY>E33510.D%,15A-0%)%1$Q)3D5255-%3E0Z34%25$53,39$141) M0TE%34)2141%,3DY-S$T.C T4$U43SI%355324,M3 `````"`0D0`0```/H# M``#V`P``FP@``$Q:1G63V.)._P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0`O()`@!C: K M- WP#- =CH@(Q(=CR<> ME R"`S G8P#@)V7R."4@9C4E80WP)7 ,,"\EL"51`$$E<&$E9&4Y>R42)A5E M)=(G$2;#)=(Y0%M33510.@= 90!X;4!2141,24T*P!<3T 0@'D @#; @1&D>8PB0!M 6$##",3DY`C7$&X&1Y(3E/0F]#?DEP)VT@;@?1-$ T,&C/ M,. `P ,0"X!G(!PP$\ Y1,!S;T6/1I]#?C$I\"!I="<$( N $] 6$%\3P$G2 M22$1"L!E+DB0N4H!:V5* MGTNO0WYV"L!*:0A@D%<@860N?VS 9@]G M'T-^;/]N#T-^36U70' $D$IP;E"1;*!D^U;":9$Z,6$7-)P5&@ M=]R/UV3?+]]R J%4=#Y4(!N)P5 M$\!DPEB#3@%[4$-LP2X`P$4@,.!)4G/_8'%18RQPP #07H *P)U$P&)/ M@&S!1,!42&L@_3@#/T \5S!9U@J%'OB)_WL?+%B 8WR0!@`1$'** MX#YJC ($\&A20$3P;BY(X'0*A6C!`D!P.B\O=X[P5?!<96\Q($Z@!Y N!:!M M0"]3;TAO+QDP.?XT0#Y^CV_90*]!OF^=%3$"`):@```#`! 0``````,`$1 ` M````0 `',.#%OZI3"KT!0 `(,.#%OZI3"KT!'@`#60$````,````55-!4T-) <22Y44DX`'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( ````#DMP`# ` end ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:19:31 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Oeivind Idsoe Subject: Re: Kraftwerk. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ric Carter wrote: > > From: Oeivind Idsoe > > > > Or you could say that Kraftwerk influenced Detroit Techno, Detroit Techno > > influenced Euro Techno, Euro Techno influenced Underworld, Underworld > > influenced Spice Girls. It still doesn't make this an interesting > discussion, > > O boy, the Ralf-Und-Florian / Spice-Gurlz connexion - I *knew* there > had to be a link! And in only 4 degrees! Now, where did I put that > 101 STRINGS PLAY AUTOBAHN album ??? Yup, Kraftwerk is definitely part of the Girl Power movement, although they were a bit pre-mature and didn't chew enough gum. > More seriously: we shouldn't neglect Kraftwerk's progenitors, such as > Karlheinz Stockhausen, Soft Machine... who else? Iannis Xenakis, Max Matthews, Jean Claude Risset, Edgar Varése, Pierre Schaeffer, John Cage (hmmm), Pierre Henry, George Clinton (ehh...what?), disco (little known fact: John Travolta was supposed to feature as a guest vocalist on Autobahn, but he looked too much like a healthy human being and so had to give it up), funk...and so on and so forth. > ric@sonic.net * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * yow! /Oeivind/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:41:13 -0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Kraftwerk. In-Reply-To: <01BD0A31.FC3A5B00@dppp17.ven.net> (message from Jacky Schreiber on Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:46:17 -0400) > begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT Please turn this crap off, Jacky. -- Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL contemporary dance projects http://www.cassiel.com music synthesis and control "...but you? You've got a monkey on your back: dedication." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:59:30 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ric Carter Subject: Re: Kraftwerk. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Jacky Schreiber > ---------- > from: Ric Carter[SMTP:ric@SONIC.NET] > >---------- > >> From: Oeivind Idsoe > >> > >> Or you could say that Kraftwerk influenced Detroit Techno, Detroit Techno > >> influenced Euro Techno, Euro Techno influenced Underworld, Underworld > >> influenced Spice Girls. It still doesn't make this an interesting > > > >O boy, the Ralf-Und-Florian / Spice-Gurlz connexion - I *knew* there > >had to be a link! And in only 4 degrees! Now, where did I put that > >101 STRINGS PLAY AUTOBAHN album ??? > > > >More seriously: we shouldn't neglect Kraftwerk's progenitors, such as > >Karlheinz Stockhausen, Soft Machine... who else? > > Is this a joke o what?, I don't see the conection Stockhausen/Soft ----> Kraftwerk!! > maybe influences can be traced down to Mahler, Bach??...etc (Oh yes!) And Pachelbel. Heh. > The kraft-->detroit--->euro--->spice--->whatever in this days is more > credible, they all are electronics (in a very wide sense). So are Xanakis, Reich [early], and 96 TEARS, but to contradict McLuhan, the medium is NOT the message! Spice Gurlz are IMHO much closer to Abba, the Ray Conniff Singers and "The Little Train" than they are to Kraftwerk, Cage, Stockhausen, et al. As for Kraftwerk - in them I hear W.Carlos [Bach] and Dick Hyman [MOOG] and a lot of fun - I was just kidding about Stockhausen. ric@sonic.net * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * yow! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:17:13 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jeremy McDermaid Subject: Synthesis methods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you kind people make any recommendations for books to bring me out of the dark woods of ignorance regarding methods of synthesis? I need to add more lingo to my tech geek arsenal... :) jjm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:50:11 +0100 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Oeivind Idsoe Subject: Re: Synthesis methods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeremy McDermaid wrote: > Can you kind people make any recommendations for books to bring me out > of the dark woods of ignorance regarding methods of synthesis? I need to > add more lingo to my tech geek arsenal... :) Try "The Computer Music Tutorial" by Curtis Roads (on MIT Press). It's a massive book and very well written...it seems to cover most synthesis methods known to man (and lots of other stuff, too). Highly recommended. > jjm /Oeivind/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:44:30 -0500 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Bill Hammel Subject: Re: Sound Synthesis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jeremy McDermaid wrote: > Can you kind people make any recommendations for books to bring me out > of the dark woods of ignorance regarding methods of synthesis? I need to > add more lingo to my tech geek arsenal... :) For the down and dirty math/engineering aspects, there's "Musical Applications of Microprocessors" by Hal Chamberlin. I have edition #2. There's got to be later one. Fast Fourier Xforms, Nyquist Theorem, etc., etc. The technology may change, but the math of digitization doesn't - much. -- Bill ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:27:32 +0000 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Fernando Manuel Rodrigues Subject: Re: Sound Synthesis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I advise you to read an article written by Herbert Jansen, about SY Programming. As far as I know, its a kind of thesis about the SY, but he starts covering in some detail the different synthesis methods, and how they can be emulated with the SY. The address is I found that very informative. Also, Harmony Central has been publishing some articles about sysnthesis methods. I downloaded one about physical modelling also very interesting. About books, I didn't found one yet about this specific subject, but the ones of the Computer Music Journal, like "The Computer Music Tutorial" by Curtis Roads, covers this also in some chapters. I strongly advise you to buy this. It is expensive and really big (almost 1000 oages) but worhts the money. > > Jeremy McDermaid wrote: > > > Can you kind people make any recommendations for books to bring me out > > of the dark woods of ignorance regarding methods of synthesis? I need to > > add more lingo to my tech geek arsenal... :) > > For the down and dirty math/engineering aspects, there's > "Musical Applications of Microprocessors" by Hal Chamberlin. > I have edition #2. There's got to be later one. > Fast Fourier Xforms, Nyquist Theorem, etc., etc. > The technology may change, but the math of digitization doesn't - much. > > -- Bill -- Fernando Manuel Rodrigues Consultant for Electronic and Computer Music MIDI and Digital Audio DANIEL RUVINA, SUCR., LDA. Make sure you visit our site: http://www.ruvina.pt Don't forget to add a link to it. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:06:02 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: John Altman Subject: noise-emusic, was kroPer0m CD In-Reply-To: <348F4C2E.4F8F9420@mail.telepac.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:13 AM +0000 12/11/97, Paulo Mouat wrote: >If there are other people interested in noise-emusic I can drop some >additional releases. Please do! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:46:12 -0600 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Timothy Kelly Subject: Re: Sound Synthesis, Books, SY. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All, I still use my SY22 a lot. If you have a SY22 or even if you dont, theres the SY22 book, Exploring the SY22, a nice little workbook on how to create and edit SY22 sounds. The SY22 is still one of the best synths to simply have fun with sound creation. For a pad machine for any kind of wavestation type film or tv or video scoring, it cant be beat. Used ones are cheap and very easy to learn programming on. Mix Bookshelf has some books on sound synthesis. A good one to start with is Secrets of Analog and Digital Synthesis. by Steve Ferro. You can take the principles, ideas it in, and apply them to any synth you might own. Happy Holidays Timothy Kelly MidiVox MidiVox - Worlds 1st Voice to Midi. Hum, Sing, Scat, Rap, Talk, Croon. BioSensor Neckband. Rack Mount Brain. AES Best In Show. EM Editors Choice. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:30:18 -0400 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Kenneth N Babb Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Digest - 18 Dec 1997 to 21 Dec 1997 Comments: cc: jeremy@A1SLC.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeremy McDermaid wrote > Can you kind people make any recommendations for books to bring me out >of the dark woods of ignorance regarding methods of synthesis? I need to >add more lingo to my tech geek arsenal... :) Oeivind Idsoe wrote: >Try "The Computer Music Tutorial" by Curtis Roads (on MIT Press). > >It's a massive book and very well written...it seems to cover most >synthesis methods known to man (and lots of other stuff, too). Highly >recommended. Bill Hammel wrote: >For the down and dirty math/engineering aspects, there's >"Musical Applications of Microprocessors" by Hal Chamberlin. >I have edition #2. There's got to be later one. >Fast Fourier Xforms, Nyquist Theorem, etc., etc. >The technology may change, but the math of digitization doesn't - much. You might also consider: "Computer Music; Synthesis, Composition, and performance" by Charles Dodge an Tom Jerse. 2nd edition is latest release. "Sound Structure in Music" by Robert Erickson. Out of print but should be available in any well stocked music library. Invaluable. Regards, Kenneth Babb kbabb@escape.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:42:32 -0700 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Jeremy McDermaid Subject: Thanks and happy season! Comments: To: synth-L@american.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for everyone's input on the synthesis methods books suggestions and just about everything else I've asked this year! I think I'm about to become victim to amazon.com. You all comprise a resource that has greatly facilitated my emusic hobby, and I recommend these two lists to anyone who is a budding emusician and/or synth geargeek. It's great to be able to draw on the experiences of seasoned others without being pummeled too badly for being an ambitious newbie. It's also encouraging to be surrounded (even virutally) by people all over the world who are all driving at nearly the same thing... something we can all relate to, even during the most vehement disagreement... the expression of self. Thanks for all the encouragement and insight. My net.toast to everyone for 1998: Here's to another year of hard work and hard play. Happy solstice, jjm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:59:45 -0800 Reply-To: Electronic Music Discussion List Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List From: Ric Carter Subject: Re: Thanks and happy season! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Jeremy McDermaid > > My net.toast to everyone for 1998: Here's to another year of hard work and > hard play. And hard water. ric@sonic.net * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * yow! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:41:32 +0000 Reply-To: verne@warwick.net Sender: Electronic Music Discussion List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: verne@WARWICK.NET Subject: Re: Thanks and happy season! In-Reply-To: <199712212057.MAA04071@sub.sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > ---------- > > From: Jeremy McDermaid > > > > My net.toast to everyone for 1998: Here's to another year of hard work > and > > hard play. > > And hard water. And hard tack. _ __ ___ | | / /_verne@warwick.net / _ | | |/ // -_)/ __// _ \/ -_) / __ | _ |___/ \__//_/ /_//_/\__/ /_/ |_|(_) Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9335 ICQ pager http://wwp.mirabilis.com/189699