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Re: News Advisory: Still Crazy After Oil These Years!



In article <4ta2jb$h5k@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>,
Scott Nudds <af329@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> wrote:
>Scott Nudds wrote:
>: >On a more scientific scale,
>: >any increase that is sufficient to measurably alter the climate or
>: >biosphere.

>(snark@swcp.com) wrote:
>: Hmmm...measurable in what sense?  In the IPCC sense of "we're fairly
>: sure that anthropogenic global warming has occurred," or in the IPCC
>: sense of "but we can't quantify it at all."  [paraphrased]

>  I don't recognize the quote "but we can't quantify it at all." in the
>IPCC reports I have read.

>  Ahh, I see, you did not quote the report, you claim to have
>"paraphrased", thereby allowing you to use whatever wording you liked.

Oh, well I'm glad to see that you actually finish reading things, even 
if you respond to them before you finish.

>  Lets see what the IPCC really says....

>Our ability to quantify the human influence on global climate is
>currently limited because the expected signal is still emerging from
>the noise of natural variability, and because there are uncertainties
>in key factors. These include the magnitude and patterns of long term
>natural variability and the time-evolving pattern of forcing by, and
>response to, changes in concentrations of greenhouse gases and
>aerosols, and land surface changes. Nevertheless, the balance of
>evidence suggests that there is a discernible human influence on
>global climate.

>  Strange, this doesn't sound like your paraphrase ...
>"but we can't quantify it at all."

Perhaps you wish me to apologize, also, for paraphrasing the IPCC as 
claiming that "We're fairly sure that anthropogenic global warming has 
occured," when really all that they said is that "evidence suggests" 
that this has happened.

>  Now, what would have motivated you to distort the IPCC report Snark?

A good question, Scott--perhaps you will bring out your "denialist" and 
"Black Helicopter" quotes and try to explain this.

Please show me how I have distorted the report by paraphrasing, Scott.  
Perhaps you could quote the numbers showing how we have quantified the 
effects that are "suggested" by the evidence.

snark



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