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Re: [nafex] Seed variation, apple

My husband's uncle transplanted four random seedlings many years ago. 
Since they were healthy seedlings when he selected them (along a path in
the woods) I suppose they were "pre-screened" for at least moderate scab
and mildew resistance.  Of the four, he got rid of two shortly after
they fruited because he didn't like them.  The other two are still
growing in his back yard.  Neither would make it as a commercial apple,
but both are good to eat, and one has excellent flavor when fully ripe. 
(It only keeps about 1/2 hour after picking, though.)

Hardly a valid statistical sample, but I think it supports your guess
that crosses of decent eating apples have a good chance of producing
apples worth eating.


jhecksel@voyager.net wrote:
> edforest55@hotmail.com wrote:
> > I have heard that crosses
> > of good quality domestic apples will have a good chance of producing
> > edible and tasty apples, that is that they don't usually revert to
> > totally inedible apples. Would appreciate feedback from those who
> > have been experimenting with this.
> > Kevin B
> Hi Kevin:
> I planted about 200 (mostly) Jonafree (open pollinated) seeds in spring
> of 1994. The Jonafree was surrounded by Starkspur Golden Delicious,
> Ozark Gold and Empire.  The local greenhouse started them in a flat for
> me. Approximately 140 made it to their first birthday.  I planted them
> outside on approximately 10' (3 meter) centers with the intention of
> gradually culling to roughly 20' by 30' centers.  Or, in other words, I
> was "programming" for a 5 of 6 cull rate.
> To date, about 90 trees survive.  Of those, a third are tagged for
> culling due to scab and powerdery mildew.  One tree fruited last year.
> Nine fruited this year.  All have been edible.
> The first one was a Jonathan type and it is vulnerable to scab.
> Another was a McIntosh type....Scab immune but foliage very vulnerable
> to powdery mildew 8-(
> The strongest grower is too early to be of interest to me.  Big fruit
> rotted on tree.
> The one next to it is quite late and tannic....very promising for hard
> cider.
> Another was large, pink, reminicent of Jonagold with a little bit of
> watercore.  Tree is scab immune (must watch this one)
> One was small and sour (more cider apples)
> Two were just generic, end-of-September apples.  Kind of like the girl
> next door, wholesome but nothing to brag about.
> One was a Sweet Sixteen seedling....flavor might be dominent as you
> could tell it was Sweet Sixteen daughter...later than Sweet Sixteen.
> Fruit seems particullarly susceptible to rot
> If I did it over again:
> I would definately cull for powdery mildew in their first year of life
> (+30% so susceptible that the trees runted out at less than 6' (2m)
> high)
> I would cull for scab in their first year of life
> I would plant them on 5' by 10' centers (1.5m x 3m) so I could cull more
> aggressively
> I would do a better job controlling the vermin that chew on trees.  I am
> not sure how, but I would.
> I would have planted some more Sweet 16 X scab resistant seedlings.
> --
>                                                      -Joe Hecksel
>                                                       Eaton Rapids,
> Michigan
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