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[nafex] Re: wet soil, highbush cranberry and archive homework
>The other posibility i dredged up off the nafex archive is "triple
>Any zone 3 successes with it? Who sells it?
Since I'm in zone 6 I can't vouch for "triple crown" from a hardiness
perspective. In its first year of growth it was "trailing" or
maybe "semi-trailing" instead of "semi-erect" that it is sold as (I
was expecting something like "Chester", whose canes tend to grow at a
45 degree angle). This might be an advantage to you as the new canes
would be on the ground and get snow (or mulch) covered.
I believe "Triple Crown" is fairly widely available. (I know Stark
Bros. was selling it).
SE PA, zone 6
--- In email@example.com, "del stubbs" <pinewoodel@h...> wrote:
> to H. Dessurealt, thanks for the thorough reply, i didn't
> was a non-edible sambucus, but i'd like to try the black elderbery
> Perhaps someone out here in nafex land knows about propagating
> seed or where info can be found. This sounds like the same tree i
> as a child in northern California frying the florets in pancake
> Our local soils and water district sells a conservation
> V.trilobum for $1.20 ea. I think to order 50 of them, but one year
> were very disappointing quality- anyone now of a wholesale source
> various versions of Viburnam?
> Timbleberry. Any chance you know genus-specie on this plant?
I lived a
> couple years on the Oregon coast and what the locals called
> quite different.
> Dewberry, i have found a rare one occasionally here in the
> a single berry or two, must be the lack of acid soil that keeps
> Wild blackberries. Two miles from our place the soil changes
from clay- to
> sand and jack pines. In the understory there are blueberry,
> what i believe are wild blackberies. So far the ones i've
> our rich garden soil in the sun haven't fared well. But my memory
> blackberries on the west coast is that they grow uncontrollably on
> soil. This spring i'll try to get a positive I.D on them.
> Domestic Blackberries- the only one that ive seen advertised
> in zone 3 is the severtson farms 'doyle'. Their fantastic claims
> productivity, cold tolerance, and the $18 per plant price
> anyone out there who can vouch for this variety and for its cold
> The other posibility i dredged up off the nafex archive
is "triple crown"
> Any zone 3 successes with it? Who sells it?
> An oregon berry researcher i've been comunicating with says
hes heard of a
> technique of training the laterals low to the ground so they can be
> with snow. Sounds like a great idea! It relates to a Siberian
> remember reading somewhere in an old Pomona on growing apples
> the ground for snow cover, another idea i hope to pursue.
> Black raspberries, I'm delighted to hear they can possibly
be grown in
> zone 3. I presume these bear on the second year, whats the variety?
> Autumn Bliss. I did a test planting of 25 of this primocane
> raspberry. Delighted with the size, productivity, and flavor, but
> give them one more year before digging them up. They are
> earliest bearing of the 'fall type', but in two mild falls we've
lost 3/4 of
> the crop to normal mid september frosts.
> thanks again! and happy holidays to you all minnesota del,
> >From: "H. Dessureault" <inter.verbis@a...>
> >Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> >To: <email@example.com>
> >Subject: Re: [nafex] wet soil, highbush cranberry and archive
> >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:42:23 -0500
> >In the area where I live (zone 3), there are numerous varieties of
> >that are black. We have some black raspberry, although they fare
> >zone 4 and milder, but they are my favorite for eating fresh. We
> >timbleberry (a bramble on long thorny branches with big
blackberries in the
> >shape of a timble, very tasty, with gritty seeds, therefore ideal
> >but uninteresting for jams). I was told that timbleberries are to
> >in the Appalachians all the way to Virginia. We also have a
> >is a low bramble. The dewberries have seeds like raspberries and
> >made into fantastic freezer jam. Rich in taste and colour.
> >picked at the end of August and some years, with enough rainfall,
> >plentiful. In places, the dewberries are part of the ground cover
> >with moss. All of the above are to be found in sandy somewhat
> >in the wild. That black raspberry would survive a flood, I am not
> >as they are tough plants, but I don't think they would survived in
> >continual wet feet situation.
> >We also have wild high bush cranberry, and they usually do grow in
> >lands, with water nearby.
> >Another plant that prefers wet conditions is elderberry.
Elderberry is a
> >very beautiful big bush with long leaves reminescent of walnuts
> >in the way the leaves are placed along the stem.
> >We have two types : 1) Red berried Elder, Sambucus pubens, which
> >rocky places , blooms in april-may and has red berries in july
> >edible only if you are a bird (i.e. the berries contain cyanide).
> >pretty though.
> >2) Then there is the Black Elder, Sambucus canadensis, which sort
> >the same as the above, but grows in humid places along streams. It
> >june-early july, amazingly late for a short growing season, and
> >fruits early september, which do not last long on the bush. The
> >easy to pick as they are in clusters and the dried flowers are
> >made of star like white florets. The flowers make a very good
> >and the berries have many applications. Unlike high bush
> >are not very good but make a passable jelly to accompany meat and
> >a taste has to be acquired, elderberries are sweet and quite
> >can be used in muffins, dried, added to wine making ingredients to
> >colour, made into jams and jellies, you name it.
> >This is one of the perfect candidate for the situation that has
> >described. It grows fast and self seeds here and there where the
> >are right while not being too invasive. It likes more humidity
> >bush cranberry and is definitely more useful and much more
> >It usually seems to prefer shade, but last Fall I picked a few
> >elderberries from a 10 foot tall elderberry bush which grew so
fast that I
> >noticed it for the first time last summer while in bloom and IT
> >in full sun in a depression by a stream, the neighbouring poplars
> >been chewed down the year before by beavers... But, that is
> >Hélène Dessureault
> >P.S. : I do have some dried elderberries that I could send. When I
> >the berries, though, I did not have planting in mind. Also, it is
> >that stratification would be necessary for germination.
> >-----Message d'origine-----
> >De : Kieran or Donna <redherring@t...>
> >À : firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com>
> >Date : mardi 19 décembre 2000 22:07
> >Objet : Re: [nafex] wet soil, highbush cranberry and archive
> >I have to wonder if black raspberries would do. I remember a
> >that did particularly well the year the Tennessee River flooded
and had the
> >patch underwater for a few days. You all go ahead and argue with
me if you
> >think I'm wrong. I'd hate to see anyone waste money on
raspberries on just
> >my say so. Donna TN z6
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