Hi Wytze, Both the PCR methods that measures minute traces of DNA and the ELISA method that measures proteins along with newer more sensitive protein measurements should push the level of detected genetic pollution to less than 1 in a million. The problem, to me seems to be the food scientists and their bureaucrats who seem incapable of thinking through the long term consequences , particularly the speed with which a few flowering plants can spread their transgenes far and wide. One has only to look at the canola problem in western Canada to see the hazard of fatuous bureaucrats and their political mouthpieces. Sincerely, Joe geno@ZAP.A2000.NL wrote: Hi Joe, Thanks for the support to push it further down. Personally I would like to see it at 0,0%. Do you know how low the LDL is at present? We may need a few years of testing before it can be established what percentage would be low enough to make sure the harvest does not end up above 0,9%? wytze On 2 Aug 2003, at 9:47, joe cummins wrote: Hi Frank and Wytze, For sown seed the only rational limit is the lowest detectable level (LDL). One in a thousand is not much better than 5 in a thousand. One appreciates how difficult it is to get rational measures (like getting blood from a stone) from obtuse and entrenched bureaucrats and their political mouthpieces, but effort must be made because once the pollution is allowed there is no way of turning it back. S sincerely, Joe geno@ZAP.A2000.NL wrote:Hi Frank, I forgot to mention that. You are right there is also a 0,5% treshold for gmo's that have been through the assessmentprocess but have not been approved yet. This is again a treshold for the endproduct. The tresholds for sowing seeds are still a proposal but the EC wants to make it official before the end of the year, so we have a few months left to lobby to lower it to a maximum of 0,1% wytze On 2 Aug 2003, at 9:10, Frank wrote: Wytze, Thank you, I thought the 0,5% was for EU unapproved GM products in grain. I did not know this was for seed to be cultivated. Frank ******************************************************** To unsubscribe from SANET-MG: 1- Visit http://lists.sare.org/archives/sanet-mg.html and unsubscribe by typing in your e-mail address or; 2- Send a message to <listserv@sare.org> from the address subscribed to the list. Type "unsubscribe sanet-mg" in the body of the message. Visit the SANET-MG archives at: http://lists.sare.org/archives/sanet-mg.html******************************************************** To unsubscribe from SANET-MG: 1- Visit http://lists.sare.org/archives/sanet-mg.html and unsubscribe by typing in your e-mail address or; 2- Send a message to <listserv@sare.org> from the address subscribed to the list. Type "unsubscribe sanet-mg" in the body of the message. Visit the SANET-MG archives at: http://lists.sare.org/archives/sanet-mg.html ******************************************************** To unsubscribe from SANET-MG: 1- Visit http://lists.sare.org/archives/sanet-mg.html and unsubscribe by typing in your e-mail address or; 2- Send a message to <listserv@sare.org> from the address subscribed to the list. Type "unsubscribe sanet-mg" in the body of the message. Visit the SANET-MG archives at: http://lists.sare.org/archives/sanet-mg.html &NBSP; ***************************************************** To unsubscribe from SANET-MG: 1- Visit http://lists.sare.org/archives/sanet-mg.html
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