Subject: Your Challenge Accepted -- Here are links to data

From: Lion Kuntz <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:48:54 -0800

--- James Kotcon <[email-masked]> wrote:
[snip]
>          I would be interested in any data
> challenging my assumption that
> the same physical, chemical, and biological
> phenomena occur in both
> conventional and organic systems.
>
> Jim Kotcon

Oh, where to start...

Firstly, seek out studies demonstrating the "burn-off"
of organic matter in chemical nitrogen fertilized
soils. As N is often a leading limiting factor in
soils preventing population explosions of mibrobial
life, additions of pure N are all that are needed to
ignite this explosion.

Soon thereafter the other nutrients are incorporated
in the dominant lifeforms. A secondary population
explosion goes on of their predators. The high
turnover of microbes reduces the C ratio be exhalation
of CO2. The rapid loss of carbon seriously affects the
tilth qualities of the soils. Only photosynthesizers
can add C from the atmosphere

Then seek out the studies on actinomycetes
phosphate-pump soil function. With the reduced C comes
the death of the actinomycetes, whom cannot sustain
the phosphorus transfer from high to low gradients.
Increased dependancy on phosphate inputs are now
required.

With depleted C mobile N has fewer binding sites and
leaching problems can occur. Plus more frequent
applications of higher levels of N become necessary.
Organic systems do not add external N whatsoever, but
grow it directly on the spot in many cases, but some
add compost or manures to add OM including bound N.

Reduced C levels also has drastically lower
mycorrhizia populations, which stresses the plants
required to more work to obtain their nutrients.

High levels of organic material buffer pH, and greatly
improve plant-availability of nutrients bound to the
many binding sites on the molecules.

The diverse micro-ecosystems supports a great myriad
of organisms which burrow, tunnel and churn the soil,
aerating it and making nutrients available to the
community through their wide toolkits of chemotrophy,
lithotrophy and metabolic acids/enzymes.

Your statement indicates you have not made the most
superficial comparison of the two diverse paradigms.

Here are starting links pages I collected several
years ago. If links are dead, try them on the
waybackmachine.com archives:
http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/SoilLife/Soil_Life_01.html

Other collections of pages on thems can be found here:
http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/VisualLinks01.html

In fact, here are the contents of my ecoag-links:
http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Links_Files.html

http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/alcohol_distill_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/biomass_crops_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/chicken_manure01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/duckweed_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/earthworms_01.htm
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/easy_mushrooms_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/eco-san_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/eco-san_refs_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/eco-san-safety-01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/herbs_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/Hog_Pollution.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/low_tech_mushrooms01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/mesclun_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/microdiversity.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/nutrition_protein_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/pathogen_safety_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/rabbit_manure01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/sprouting_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/water_hyacinth01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/Water_Pure_WH_01.html

http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Ag_Biomass/Ag_Biomass_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Bamboo/Bamboo_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Biodiversity/Biodiversity_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/CompanionPlanting/CompanionPlanting_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/WOFE/Homeless_Women_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Knowledgebase/Knowledgebase_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/MushroomTek/MushroomTek_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/MushroomTek/MushroomTek_02.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/ProtectedGrowing/ProtectedGrowing_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Rabbits/Rabbits_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Santa_Cruz/Santa_Cruz_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Sebastopol/Sebastopol_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/SoilLife/Soil_Life_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/Visual_Links_Pages.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/VisualLinks01.html
http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/Visual_Pages/WastesRecycling/WastesRecycling_01.html

Last updated 17.2.2003

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