Hi Kirk,
I'm saying that the rules Washington State has in their
Materials List for Organic Growers say that a grower can use chelated minerals
after they do a plant tissue test and or a soil test. This is a rule that
Washington State is imposing. Since CT's are chocked full of chelated
minerals, there MIGHT be a problem for organic growers in Washington State
who use CT's. It all depends how WSDA views CT's. My guess is WSDA
wasn't even aware that CT's are chock full of chelated minerals. I am
waiting to hear from them.
--Thomas Giannou
http://www.tandjenterprises.com
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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 2:32
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Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Chelated
Materials
Goodness I didn't intend to cause this perturbation in our
organic progress. Thomas Giannou suggests chelated materials are an NOP
problem. Hmm? I hadn't heard that. My understanding is
that this is not an issue. A general rule I observed there but didn't
mention is organic materials can't be derived using "synthetic solvents"
which to me suggest petrochemical extraction, per the gist of NOP
rules. But there's nothing there about chelation, which to me is
completely natural phenomenon. Diatomaceous earth, sand, clay,
chitin, compost, all have chelation value and properties. Minerals
themselves are "chelative" as is fiber in our guts, it seems to me. How
could chelation be an NOP question except as another USDA ruse? Am
I misunderstanding chelation?
> Message:
12 > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:53:30
EDT > From: soilfoodweb@aol.com > Subject: Re:
Re: NOP and Yucca > > Sorry I'm behind in getting back to the list
serve and these questions. I > just got the April e-zine off, and
some of these things are addressed in > there. > > For
example, several solid statements about what is allowed in the
NOP rules > about compost tea. As I sent to the list several
months ago, after > discussions all around with many poeple, including
OMRI folk who have been > great working on this issue, compost tea is
allowed without restriction under > the NOP regs, EXCEPT all
ingredients you put into the tea has to be approved > by a certifying
agency, like OMRI. > > Now, to Thomas' question. Don't
mis-interpret the organic regs. The regs do > not say you
cannot have chelated minerals in organic materials. > > The regs
say you can't use chelated mineral PRODUCTS. Why? Because
of the > process by which they are made. > > We'd be in
deep trouble in the world of compost if you couldn't use chelated >
minerals in organic production, because compost is chock full of
them. > > So, presence of chelated materials is of no
concern. It is if you make > chelated mineral products, they have
to be made without strong bases or > acids, no non-approved organic
materials can be used to make the chelates. > No preservatives not
allowed by the certifying agencies either. > >
OK? > > > Elaine
Sorry, Doc, and Thomas, but this
does not make sense. We cannot use chelated mineral products but the
presence of chelated materials is of no concern? Huh? Which of
the processes by which chelated mineral products are made is
disallowed? Why/how would anyone use synthetic solvents, base or
acid, to cause chelation in anything? I really don't get this and
look forward to being set straight on it. --
Kirk
kirk@oregonatural.com
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