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Re: [compost_tea] Re; Why activate the compost?



Ray - I'd love to hear more about your experience with potatoes as that comes in.  I'm not sure why someone would steer you away from fish products, you should ask them what the problem is.  It is certainly listed on recipes from Soil Foodweb.  Are you testing your teas?  The highest fungal numbers I have gotten in a tea came from pretreating  16 ounces of a woody compost with 2 ounces of fish hydrolysate for three days at 80*F.  It was covered with fungi by the time I added it and the analysis showed it was in the 3um category of beneficial sized fungi.
 
I'd be interested to hear why someone doesn't want fish products in a tea, the only situation I'm aware of is that fish emulsion is a bacterial food as opposed to fish hydrolysate which is a fungal food.
 
Dave
 
David A. Loring, Project Leader
Southeast Asia Project
Dietrick Institute for Applied Insect Ecology
dloring3@cox.net  ph (760) 489-9438
----- Original Message -----
From: ray gore
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re; Why activate the compost?

Thx David,
   To be clear I have been using the AK Humus product
in our EPM 500 and Modified Growing Solutions 500 and
our 35g homebuilt. After I remove the Humus/vermi mix
I reintroduce it to the plastic containers I keep the
base products in and add fresh vermi as well. I have
tried different things including low sodium soy that
grows something, what I have no idea.
   On the potato comments on this site I have to add
that I have heard some negative as well as positive
results from different customers of mine that have
used other peoples tea. The negative reactions have
come from customers of a vendor that uses the most
popular tea machine mfgr. I have heard that he might
be having problems with his vermi.
   I have talked with Jason Kimm so anyone that wants
basic info I can relay what he told me. Also Reggie
Destrie has given me some excellent recomendations on
potatoes that one of my organic customers is trying.
The conflict that I am working on is that I have been
told by the mfr not to add fish products or anything
else to my brews. I have been working with Lance Funk
here in Idaho who has EPM brewers and hooked him up
with the Fort Hall Reservation potato fields so I may
have more potato info later this season for those
interested.
--- David Loring <dloring3@cox.net> wrote:
> Ray - I have found that fish hydrolysate grows fungi
> on almonst anything  . . . anything that is that
> still has enough undecomposed material for fungi to
> grow on.  If what you have is really humus that
> means, by definition, it has already been worked on
> by fungi and bacteria and may not support much more
> growth.  You might try mixing a little woody
> material 1:4 to provide foods for the fungi in your
> humus to grow on. 
>
> David A. Loring, Project Leader
> Southeast Asia Project
> Dietrick Institute for Applied Insect Ecology
> dloring3@cox.net  ph (760) 489-9438
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: ray gore
>   To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:43 AM
>   Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re; Why activate the
> compost?
>
>
>   Jeff,
>       Since I bought the AK Humus I have tried all
> kinds
>   of different things to grow fungi levels and
>   reinoculate it after use. Any suggestions? Most
>   recently I have been adding vermicompost with it
> then
>   again after use. Thx, Ray MVC Idaho
>   --- Jeff Lowenfels <jeff@gardener.com> wrote:
>   > Judi, you could activate will all sorts of
> stuff. My
>   > research, however, shows that the medical and
> other
>   > communities that grow soil fungi use Oatmeal
>   > products in the lab along with agar because
> oatmeal
>   > selects for soil fungi. For what it is worth,
> corn
>   > meal was number two.
>   >
>   > In addition, while it looks like you are only
>   > growing one type of fungi because it looks
> uniform,
>   > these fungi look a like and you are most
> probably
>   > growing lots of kinds.
>   >
>   > Cheers,
>   >
>   > Jeff
>
>
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