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RE: [compost_tea] Re: Defining what is compost tea exactly



Was reading The Compost Tea Manual 4th ed. at lunch.  Starting with "define 
compost," Dr. E. answers in the book all the questions listed in the 
e-mail.

Paulette



-----Original Message-----
From:	Robert Norsen [SMTP:bnbrew@yahoo.com]
Sent:	Friday, June 13, 2003 3:51 PM
To:	compost_tea@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	Re: [compost_tea] Re: Defining what is compost tea exactly

Dr Elaine You ask Kirk some VERY good questions.  Is if fair to ask you to 
answer them out here where we can listen?  Maybe on some with the reasons 
for the terminology.  I hate to ask you to spend more of the few moments 
you have to do this but I think you are the ONE with the background to 
answer the questions. .

2)  Look in on www.norganics.com SFINY test reports on the BobOLators.  GU 
compost is showing 5,000+ fungi, I'm using their stuff for nutrients and 
getting  1/7th the fungi count.  And he keeps doing it time after time. 
Almost the same numbers.

soilfoodweb@aol.com wrote:
Kirk -

I agree with you that there are forces at work that would love to see tea 
out of the picture.  That is why it is CRITICAL to define things clearly. 
 If people within the field aren't uniform in their definitions, then we'll 
get slaughtered by those wanting to see tea out of the picture.

I will not lump together things that are different.  You are way off the 
mark in your comments about three kinds of tea, about manure, and in your 
understanding of biology in these materials.

I would rather not burden the whole list serve with the go-arounds that are 
clearly necessary to clarify each of your points.  In fact, I'm tired of 
trying to get you to see that you have definitions that change every time 
you want to make a point.

So, what is needed is to go back to first principles.

I ask you to define the following.  Think things through.  It will do both 
you and I good to agree on: what they mean, how to determine whether 
something is what you think it is, and what data are available to document 
risk to people.  when we agree, then we should return to the list with that 
set of terms.  The rest of the list serve can function to review the terms 
and add thoughts on applicability.

Define compost
Define soil
Define manure
When does manure become compost?
When (how) does manure become soil?
What would you call organic matter if it has become anaerobic?

Define what you mean by compost tea.  What are the important components?

What is the kind of tea you make when you use anaerobic organic matter?
What is anaerobic tea?  Is that the same as when you use anaerobic organic 
matter?

What do you use to identify whether your tea is anaerobic, or has been 
anaerobic?

Can you resuscitate anaerobic tea?  Can it become aerobic again?  How would 
you know?

What is compost extract?
Compost leachate?
Plant tea?
Manure tea?

What is a term that we could use to include all of the above?  Compost tea 
is NOT the right term.  I'd like to suggest agricultural teas as the gen  
eral term.

Please, not nutrient tea.  You have not thought that one through and you 
are going somewhere you don't want to go with that one.

Think things through logically and clearly.  Until we come to some 
understanding on how these things are defined, and then hold to those 
definitions without changing them relative to the point that is being made, 
there is no chance of having a useful discussion.  So, back to first 
principles.

Elaine Ingham
President, Soil Foodweb Inc.
www.soilfoodweb.com
SFI Oregon, USA
SFI Australia
SFI New York
SFI Europe
SFI New Zealand

"Hope is not a feeling. It is not the belief that things will turn out 
well, but the conviction that what we are doing makes sense, no matter how 
things turn out."   --  Vaclav Havel, former President of the Czech 
Republic


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