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[compost_tea] Re: Soaked Tea



also keep in mind if something like e-coli happens on a organic farm 
all those folk that are growing organic will not be able to sell 
their crops. It will give organic a bad name.   thats all we need  
for organic growing to have e-coli tied to it.  most all e-coli i 
hear about is not =from organic farms - still let it happen one time 
and all all our work will go for not.  Anything we can do to keep 
our crops safe should be done.  after all organic to me means safe 
and i hope we can keep it that way.  



--- In compost_tea@yahoogroups.com, Robert Norsen <bnbrew@y...> 
wrote:
> Scenario, Kirk,  E-coli did take a life and a liver of a kid here 
in Wa. They traced it to ground beef.  More recently strawberries 
were found the source of E-Coli. Dirty irrigation ditch water you 
say.  So water can contaminate crops with E-coli. Manure in ditch 
water didn't make a target.  Do you doubt that compost TEA would 
make a target?   I didn't claim in my "potential scenario" that CT 
on lettuce had ever infected anyone.   Elaine's tests show clearly 
that manure compost is likely to retain some E-Coli unless it is 
expertly processed.   Are you expecting expertise and care from each 
of thousands of composters?   Then Elaine  showed evidence that 
under anaerobic conditions that E-Coli is very likely to be 
transmitted to the tea.  From the same research she showed that, 
even when compost that was known to carry E-Coli was used as a base 
for an aerobic tea process, In MANY TESTS NO E-Coli came thru the 
TEA.     
>  
> The scenario I depicted as possible at a pot-luck is a possibility 
I am not willing to risk.   But none of us are in this compost tea 
development alone.  If you, Kirk, produce a tea with E-coli and it 
turns into a disaster it will affect you AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS 
CAMPAIGN TO IMPROVE AGRICULTURE WITH THIS MARVEL OF NATURE.    And 
of course it will affect many others and our lovely planet if any - 
even one tea maker loses once,  in that form of Russian Roulette.   
If one such incident or anything like it occurs how long do you 
think it will take the USDA or one of its; agencies to print 
regulations that would assure Monsanto a clear field.  The 
government agency that can devastate this program dam near came to 
the conclusion once.   If we allow hazardous tea types to be made 
and used and fail to make a clear distinction between that and safe 
liquids then this business deserves the regulation that will destroy 
the potent value we know it has.  
>  Am I steamed?  Dam right.  I'm watching a highly valuable free 
ranging wonderfully researched supplements industry  be targeted for 
destructive regulation  because the industry as a group did allow 
some profit hungry idiots to pedal stuff that is disastrous to the 
unwitting user.   A defect in the way supplements are managed opened 
the door to regulators.  Pharma benefits.  The world's people lose. 
>  
> One disaster traced to Any Form Of Compost TEA. - - -   USDA and 
Monsanto will reduce CT to what is once was.  Essentially unknown.  
I think Elaine deserves and I want better than that.   What is so 
difficult about making Aerobic TEA that we need to tolerate a less 
effective, hazardous product to continue as an alternate using the 
same name and claiming similar merit.  Are we that lazy or is it 
stupid?   Must we  see 9-11 size proof to act on what science 
describes is probable?      Bob



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