Let me know if he needs boosters. I can ship them
directly to him. 500 gallons is a lot but I should think that a Bobolator
and 1-2 auxilary pumps ought to handle it.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:26
AM
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
Hi Paul - Sent the Bitti to the Bells on tuesday, same day I got the
order from you. Please if you send nutrients send advice. I failed
to include your flyer. the one you left for me to send.
I plan to drive with a loade of brewers and aeratoors and O2 meter to
spend a day or four with RAY settiing uup and testing. I wish I
had more of your nutrients. His testing will be in 500 g
tanks. Should I try a Bitti? I don;t think so.
Any quick advice? I expect to leave early Monday AM
.
Paul Sachs <pdsachs@localnet.com> wrote:
Ray,
I'd be happy to donate the boosters (microbe food) for all
three tests so that you can keep that factor constant.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:39
PM
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re:
ACT
Yeah I would be all over doing a test and
comparing our epm 500, modified growing sols and a bob-o and paying
for all three to be tested by SFI as long as i knew that the starting
ingredients were all the same. If the bob-0 outcompeted the others I
would easily buy more than a few. Ray G --- Robert Norsen <bnbrew@yahoo.com> wrote: >
Yeah GO. I am interested in that test result. Can we > talk about
the proceedure? Bob > > Steve Bridges
<kimas@texasgrown.com> wrote:I've got > a BobOLator and a
22gal Earth Tea Brewer. I'm ready > to start testing. If my testing
can tie into what > you're proposing, I'll be glad to
participate. > > We would all have to use the same
compost and the > same ingredients, calibrated for brew size.
That > still doesn't eliminate variables such as >
temperature, water quality, etc. But we could still > gain some
useful insight. > > Steve Bridges > BobO 50gal
and EPM 22gal (good idea Judi!) > ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Loring > To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:12 AM > Subject: Re:
[compost_tea] Re: ACT > > > Dennis - You're right of
course, it can't be done > with a single test. It wouldn't be
fair whatever > the outcome. Any rigorous test would have at
least > four repetitions of the same experiment. Maybe >
there are enough machines out there that we would > have at least
two identical machines for each type > manufactured. If there
were not really significant > differences then that might tell the
story. I'm > open to anything that will actually sort out some
of > these variables, even those we expect in the lab >
results. Maybe Elaine would tell us what the > acceptable
limits are for her lab testing in the > sense of one sample being
run multiple times as a > quality control test. I agree that
there are limits > to what any lab can do. I don't know what
to think > at this point, I've never sent paired, blind
samples > before. I would pay for one of the samples
though > if someone paid for the other. > Dave > -----
Original Message ----- > From: dkemnitz2000 > To:
compost_tea@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:49
PM > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT > > >
---Dave, I was trying to point out there are many > variables
included > even in the testing, even of objective tests. I
run > a flour sample > here (myself) and do all the sample
prep one day and > do it again the > next day and get
different numbers (vitamins B1 and > B2 for instance) > each
day. New variables the next day? Sample > changed? Usually the
> numbers are close but what do you do when it comes > time
for > disposition esp when numbers are not close? Maybe >
average, maybe > rerun sample, maybe get another sample?
Maybe > re-write the specs.? > Maybe throw out one for some
reason. Anyway > experimental design will > be important in
the brewer tests. Dennis > > > > In
compost_tea@yahoogroups.com, "David Loring" > <dloring3@c...>
wrote: > > Dennis - I agree with about 95% of what you've >
said but there is a > need for testing in my mind, not with
someones hard > found recipe, but > with a mutually agreed to
compost and food of some > kind. Unless we > can get
information about the variability of these > machines then >
we're all on our own a bit and progress, much > needed, will be
> difficult. It's hard to extrapolate to new >
situations unless we nail > down the variables one at a time.
I think the > strength of this forum > is found in combining
our sometimes expensive > experiences. I've > spent a
couple thousand on testing myself without > any product except
> that I teach. Those of us in the non-commercial >
world stand to gain > the most from sharing. If I can pay for
only one > report and get the > answers from 5-10 others I'd
consider it money well > spent. > > Dave >
> ----- Original Message ----- > >
From: dkemnitz2000 > > To:
compost_tea@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday,
August 28, 2003 6:04 PM > > Subject: [compost_tea]
Re: ACT > > > > > > --- In
compost_tea@yahoogroups.com, "tomjasz" > <tom@l...>
wrote: > > > > > >
> > > > > >
Unfortunately, but understandably the > developers of the >
nutrient > > > packs have invested thousands of
dollars in > their "recipes". > Two > >
> developers I have conversations with aren't > particularly
> excited > > > about having a
competition. They are busy with > their farmers, > fruit
> > > growers and viticulturists
developing > successful operations > based >
> on > > > sustainable practice
and using ACT as a part > of the program. > The >
> > controlled testing has been going on with >
several manufacturers > for > > > several
years. The idea of a competition > borders on the >
ridiculous > > > from my perspective. What would
such a > competition achieve? > > >
Apparently several tea systems are producing > stellar results.
> Some > > > find the need to blather
about and have NOT > achieved any > consistent >
> > successes.(comment not directed at list!) I >
continue to suspect > > they >
> > bandy about only the best of their tests. >
Other manufacturers > > > consistently produce
high quality tea without > competitions or > this >
> > list. Please don't misunderstand that >
comment...there are over > 300 > > >
members and about ten posters!!! > > > >
> > Thanks for the invitation Tom! I already
wrote > Brewer Bob and > this > > list
two opinions earlier today which I > cancelled for >
consideration > > to all. >
> I'd have to say my bottom line is
cost > perhaps like many of > you. >
> I believe in tests, like Jeff. I am a lab tech > in
a food testing > lab > > and don't make
enough money to hire tests on > tea I'll use on a > 65
> > acre farm. In our lab we use standard
testing > procedures. Some > >
samples(duplicates) are sent to other labs to > see how we compare
> to > > them. You might be suprised
but they don't get > the same answer > we >
> get any way. Even labs(and brewers) must
deal > with accuracy and > >
precision. > > So I'll be brewing,
testing applying and > reporting based on > what I >
> glean from this board and seminars and cd's and >
ATTRA and > whatever > > else might work
without hiring many experts. I > guess this is > better
> > than spraying pesticides herbicides and >
fertilizers. Dennis > Kemnitz > > > > >
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