Re: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying

From: Jason Kalka <shortstop42000_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:30:14 -0800 (PST)

I think the point has been lost in the counter-points.  I vote to=
 kill this
thread.




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From: migrainexx <rap.rem_at_comcast.net>
To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 4:21:39 PM
Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying

 


Hi Tad & Evan,
Tad I agree with you about the plant and light…Evan here's my examp=
le to back up
what Tad stated…They advertize the Tipsy Turby (or what ever they c=
all it)
upside down tomato plant…I grew that method 25 years ago in a 5 gal=
lon
bucket…The growing tip will grow down a few inches but it will curl=
 up towards
the sun…Put it inside in a chamber hanging from the ceiling and ins=
tall a HID
light source (MH or HPS) on the floor pointing up to the plant and the tip =
will
grow straight down to the floor towards the light…I grew this metho=
d in the 60's
to utilize space indoors…You can also train Bonsai this way to grow=
 horizontal
instead of tying or wiring the branches…In my opinion nothing to do=
 with
gravity…Rock

--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Tad Hussey <tadhussey_at_...> wrote:
>
> Evan,
>
>
> Without doing any research (this is off the top of my head from high scho=
ol
>physics), my understanding is that because the Earth has greater mass than=
 the
>moon it exerts a larger gravitational pull, keeping our feet firmly on the=
 
>planet.  The moon has some influence on our tides due to it's w=
eaker
>gravitational pull, but closer proximity to Earth than the Sun.ÂÂ=
  Therefore,
>depending on where the Moon is located, relative to the Earth's rotation a=
llows
>scientists to calculate the tides.  I'm not sure I understand y=
our reference in
>regards to gravity in this post.
>
>
> I'm not sure I understand your logic on plants either.  Plants=
 grow up as
> they reach towards light or the sun.  It's not gravity pulling=
 it up,
> but rather the plant's ability to grow in a manner that exceeds the
> force of gravity that the mass of the Earth places on the plant.ÂÂ=
  Almost all
>living organisms grow in a similar fashion.  I don't see how th=
is is a mystery
>or unexplained by science, or how this relates to aerated compost tea.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: evanfolds <evan_at_...>
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 7:59 AM
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Full moon & foliar spraying
>
>
>  
> I sent this weeks ago, strange.
>
> Newtonian phsyics is only a stepping stone of our attempts to understand =
our
>surroundings, a thoughtform to make our existence easier to understand. Pe=
ople
>do this. We do it with compsot tea. Newtonian physics breaks down towards =
the
>speed of light, which is where Einstein comes in. But, again, the more we =
look
>into it, the less we know.
>
>
> What I mean, Tim, is that whatever gravitational pull there is from the m=
oon
>would have no effect on Earth activities, as it would be non-existent rela=
tive
>to the force occuring from the Earth. Otherwise, why would a rock not fall=
 up
>when you drop it? In other words, the moon cannot pull a plant up, or a ti=
de. It
>is another force alltogether, one that we do not collectively recognize, w=
hich
>is the focus of much of our work. The plant, and all living systems, are
>affected by levity, or the force that works opposite of gravity. There are=
 
>always opposing forces in Nature. The workings of Nature are towards balan=
ce,
>the more we can get into resonance with this in our gardening and compost =
tea
>brewing, the better resutls we will have..
>
> evan
> www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> >
> > These are interesting thoughts Evan and of course there are many unexpl=
ained
>events and phenomena on this earth and universe. One small point; I believ=
e
>that, when the gravitational influence of the moon upon the earth is discu=
ssed
>and taught, it is the moon's gravitaional pull which is meant and not a
>multiplied gravitaional force down, so indeed if plants are so affected, i=
t
>would be in an upwards or angling upwards direction. I believe this is a
>component of Newtonian physics, that there is a gravitational attraction o=
r pull
>between two bodies. [The greater the mass of the bodies, the greater the f=
orce?]
> >
> > Salutations,
> > Tim
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "evanfolds" <evan_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting thread. The concept of "sow by the moon" is a remnant of=
 
>ancient planting calendars when people recognized the influence of celesti=
al
>cycles and the subtle energies they put into play. We lost most of this wh=
en the
>Catholic church yoked us to the Gregorian calendar so we would follow the =
sun
>through the sky.
>
> > >
> > > As an aside, it is interesting to note all the upheaval and transitio=
n in
>the world with natural disaster and the Occupy events cropping up consider=
ing
>the end of the ancient calendar is projected to occur on October 28th of t=
his
>year. Not proof, but certainly serendipity. Most have become fixated with=
 
>December 21st, 2012 with the end of the calendar, but this has more to do =
with
>Hollywood and a surface view of the articulation of the ancient calendar t=
han
>anything. Look into the work of Carl Calleman and read his book Solving th=
e
>Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar. I think you will be inte=
rested
>in what you find. We live in intersting times indeed.
>
> > >
> > > There are forces at work that we cannot experience with our senses, b=
ut
>that influence us none the less. Things we don't have to pay attention to =
in
>order to grow plants, but when we do open doors we have never walked throu=
gh.
>This is seen in the concepts of living water, frequency farming, homeopath=
y,
>etc. It is also seen in wireless technology or the infrared frequencies pe=
sts
>use to find food in unhealthy plants. The materialistic view of why the wa=
xing
>moon affects plant growth is that it is the extra suns rays bouncing off t=
he
>moon or that gravity is pulling the plant up quicker. I remember being tau=
ght
>this in school in regards to the tides.
>
> > >
> > > However, if it was the extra gravity from the moon, plants would actu=
ally
>be growing down. And, while I have no "proof" the argument that the moon
>reflects more sun to help plants grow seems a bit far fetched to me. My mi=
nd
>goes to trying to grow a plant with a cheap fluorsecnet lamp indoors. With=
out
>enough light plants get leggy and fall all over themselves, it does not re=
sult
>int he vigor associated with sowing by the moon.
>
> > >
> > > Think about it, why does a plant grow up against the forces of gravit=
y?
>This is agaisn the 2nd "Law" of Thermodynamics, or entropy. Further eviden=
ce
>that what we tell ourselves is true is really only half the story in regar=
ds to
>natural systems. As Viktor Schauberger observed, we create fables about ho=
w
>Newton pondered gravity by getting hit in the head by an apple, but spend =
no
>time telling ourselves how the apple got up there in the first place.
>
> > >
> > > Plants retain an etheric body that provides a different setting than=
 
>physical inanimate matter. Same with all living organisms. Animals and hum=
ans
>retain an astral body that relegates emotion and instinct, and humans are =
unique
>in possesing an ego, evidence in our ability of self-reflection.
>
> > >
> > > Plants have only the physical and etheric body. For this reason they =
are
>still completely immersed in the influence of the cosmic realm. Animals ar=
e less
>so, and humans are almost completly disconnected from this influence, whic=
h is
>why most will not allow themselves to even entertain the idea that subtle=
 
>energies hold sway to begin with. We have adopted an entirely materialisti=
c view
>of life, and it cripples us.
>
> > >
> > > It is the levity that compliments gravity that creates these phenomen=
on.
>Nature is not a one way street, but dualistic. We find ourselves in the mi=
ddle
>to create a trinity. Nature strives towards balance and humans tip the sca=
le if
>we are unconscious of our influence. Levity is how fish climb waterfalls, =
or why
>plant sap rises higher on a full moon. We can all attest to the strange en=
ergies
>and activity associated by the full moon in people. If the moon has such a=
n
>effect on people and plants, why not the other celestial bodies?
> > >
> > > This is really all BioDynamics is tapping into. The preperations BD50=
0-508
>were articulated by Steiner to influece the higher energy bodies, not
>materialsitic fertilizers. This is why they have such a profound effect us=
ed in
>such small amounts, especially when potetnized by a vortex in water. The l=
iving
>water can then carry the frequency message to the field or garden. This is=
 
>water's major role in natural systems and why rivers meander, rain drops s=
piral,
>or waves curl,etc. Read The Agriculture Course, Steiner provides a much mo=
re
>compelling argument than I can here. There are several planting calendars =
that
>can be used for these purposes. See www.StellaNatura.com or the work of Ma=
ria
>Thune.
>
> > >
> > > It would be interesting to perform brewing experiments timed to celes=
tial
>events. We are actually preparing some studies to begin investigating this=
 in
>order to incoroprate into brewing and feeding schedules. There's no tellin=
g what
>we'll find unless we open our minds and look for it.
>
> > >
> > > Evan
> > > www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <tzaddi_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From my own personal experience and research I know that harvesting=
 on
>the new moon is desirable for plants which will eventually be dried and or=
 
>cured. As reflected in Ian's reference, the water content of a plant is at=
 it's
>lowest during a New Moon and highest during a Full Moon.
> > > >
> > > > The indication is that leading up too a Full Moon a plant is taking=
 up
>and retaining water and inversely giving up water from the waning moon unt=
il the
>start of waxing right after a New moon.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "RTS Friction - Carruthers" <ho=
me_at_>
>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Came across a very informative web article by Nutri-Tech Solution=
s, no
>longer have the URL address but if you google :
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Mulder's Chart Hydroponics Nutri-Key and Triacontrol it should le=
ad you
>to the article. Below is a snippet from it, there is loads more interestin=
g info
> > > > >
> > > > > that our group members will find rewarding.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rgds
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian C
> > > > >
> > > > > "Any of the six days leading up to a full moon are prime times fo=
r
>foliar fertilising, while results will poor during any of the 6 days leadi=
ng up
>to a new moon. This is not some sort of cosmic hippy theory the moon gover=
ns the
>movement of water (think of tides). The plant is 94% water. Further, a ful=
l moon
>supplies the plant with an extra period of light. When a full moon is refl=
ecting
>the suns rays back earth, the photosynthetic processes of plants will cont=
inue
>to operate. Fluid movement in the plant more vigorous under full moon infl=
uence
>and foliar nutrients are more efficiently translocated. Compare the sap fl=
ow by
>pruning on a full moon compared to a new moon."
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




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