It is the microbe counts which provide nutrients. E.G. flagellates, amoebae=
(mostly naked), ciliates, (& rotifers) in ACT consume bacteria/archaea uti=
lizing 30% to 40% energy and expell 60% to 70% as ionic form nutrient (tran=
sformation).
Tim
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "B Blake" <bbdallas100_at_...> wrote:
>
>
> Wonder how much the changes to the various nutrients
> during the brew cycle has been studied?
> (Transformation is a nice term.)
>
> You hear a bit about mineral dissolution, secretion,
> excreting waste products and various toxins, etc, etc.
>
> What is being created (or could be formed in the broth)
> seems to get lost in the quest for microbe counts.
>
> The subject may soon hit a point where short cycle, year round,
> test crops become just as important as microscopes.
>
> One man's 'waste product' may be another man's secret nutrient.
>
> I've talked with some experts that claim bacteria is "too simple"
> to have any waste products. One fellow claimed his bacteria
> produces Amino Acids but no waste products.
>
> Another says Carbon Dioxide is his waste product.
> (4) Four 500 gallon brewers going in the same room and
> the CO2 is plentiful enough that it needs to be vented.
>
> I love both goodies mentioned but I feel there are a lot more.
> Some good for enhanced plant growth. Some not so good and
> some 'too hot to classify' :-)
>
> ....................................................................
>
> <snip>
>
> There are thousands of species of bacteria on earth, many of which have n=
ot yet been identified. When attempting to classify a bacterium, a variety=
of characteristics are used, including visual characteristics and laborato=
ry tests. Bacteria are simple, unicellular organisms. Most are free-living=
organisms, but a few require animal or plant hosts for survival. Bacteria =
absorb nutrients from their environments, excrete waste products, and secre=
te various toxins that help them invade tissues. Bacteria have no enclosed =
nucleus. Their chromosomal material is in the form of a large loop, packed =
into the cytoplasm of the cell.
>
> Some bacteria can be identified through a simple visual perusal. First, =
the operator considers the appearance of the bacterial colony (a group of t=
he same kind of bacteria growing together, often on a petri dish.) The ope=
rator also views individual bacteria under a microscope, considering their =
shape, groupings, and features such as the number and location of flagella.=
>
> A variety of laboratory techniques can be used to narrow down the identit=
y of a bacterial species if a visual survey is not sufficient. The operato=
r can stain the bacteria using a gram stain or an acid-fast stain. The bac=
teria can be cultured on a specific medium which promotes the growth of cer=
tain species, as in the membrane filter method of testing for coliform bact=
eria. Other tests can detect bacterial by-products, while yet more advance=
d tests actually analyze the DNA of the bacteria.
>
> http://water.me.vccs.edu/courses/ENV108/lesson5_2.htm
>
> ....................................................................
>
>
> Hopefully someone will come up with a brewer that we can call
> Big LeRoy ;-)
> Even though he may not stand that tall.
>
> At that point we may filter out most things other than the
> bacteria. Then we filter out the bacterium and weigh the badboys.
>
> While putting in a huge amount of time looking over the wonderful
> collection of Posts here I have taken several side trips.
> One has been the weight of various microbes including bacteria.
> Different experts have different numbers.
>
> Of coarse if 'LeRoy' could get even close to the mathematical possibiliti=
es at say even 8 hours - how many
> microbes it takes to equal a gram or a pound of microbe fertilizer would =
become irrevelent.
>
> How much goody the microbes actually absorbed and how much they give up u=
pon kicking the bucket would be nice to know.
>
> If ALL conditions stayed near perfect some bacteria
> sounds near immortal until it runs out of room, eats itself or gets eaten=
by whatever.
>
> One source that sounds good was claiming 1,600,000,000
> of a particular bacterium per gram.
>
> The Guardians claim typically it's a
> Trillion per gram.
>
> Either number might be nothing to LeRoy
> if he could just hit his stride and not worry about how others
> have done - or not done.
>
> http://www.theguardians.com/Microbiology/gm_mbi01.htm#small
>
> http://www.theguardians.com/
>
> Was at Walmart the other day and they were weighing stacks of money
> after first counting it. Perhaps the day will come when people
> throw a cheap Back-flushable 0.1 micron (drip) water filter on a scale af=
ter a test portion of the brew already went through the initial filtration =
stages and then through the bacteria filter last.
> Just to get a real rough idea of the filtered weight.
>
> A fellow that says he brews up 5,000 gallons of Compost Tea
> at a clip (naturally on the West Coast) and delivers it to huge
> farms gave me some time recently. I had already spoken with Bruce
> that makes his equipment.
>
> We were talking about the nutrient composition of the bacteria
> itself among many other things like the evil ;-) old air stones
> being used.
> 40 of the stones to make 5,000 gallons along with 10 venturi pumps.
>
> He claims one of his sources says bacteria averages
> 98.9% water content. I don't know. Another source that sounds good says i=
t's closer to 70%
> It's what ever actual goody that is in it that I'm worried about.
>
> A certain amount of conflict (like the evil air stones) is to be expected=
in such a vast and exciting study. It's nothing compared to the last study=
that I wrapped up in September.
> Over the years 'experts' were contradicting THEMSELVES often
> within the same document in that deal.
>
> Irregardless of this that or the other thing there seems to be
> a tremendous amount of room left in this subject for open minded
> students that avoid the blinders that can become common sometimes.
> Over the years I've always been impressed with the best gardening
> and greenhouse questions rather than just the soap box.
> Of course it's hard to only ask questions with
> something this exciting and filled with such promise.
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dansquest2005_at_> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> > I believe it can but the source for getting the microbes might have =
to change. I think as time goes on ACT driven foliar sprays will be food so=
urce specific for the microbes that are needed as well as pH and temperatur=
e limits being dialed in to brew them. Fish emulsion/seaweed extract foliar=
sprays have over 50 years of proven performance but more as source of nutr=
ients whereas I think microbial foliar sprays will be more for deterring sp=
ecific pathogens or possibly devouring oomycetes like late blight. I think =
ACT is a means by which one adds biodiversity to the soil and ends up with =
healthier soil. These are just the musings of a gardener in the middle of w=
inter thinking out loud.
> >
> > Dan in Ct Zone 6A Where I don't have a Twitter account because I am e=
asily confused and have been known to change direction repeatedly and fear=
having to turn around and follow my followers.
> >
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "B Blake" <bbdallas100_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan, Can Compost Tea techniques be used to enhance proven
> > > foliar sprays without getting bogged down in the requirements
> > > for an excellent soil microbe product?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> >
>
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