RE: [compost_tea] Any Comments or reply to this?

From: Tom Jaszewski <tomj_at_livesoil.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:46:40 -0800

Great more bandying about of results with questionable validity. Nelson at
Cornell and Ingham have pretty clearly shown inhibition assays are not very
reliable indicators. Representing tea as an "icide" is precisely why we need
standards. Too many folks are representing CT in the same light as
chemicals. CT use is a change in paradigm, a different gardening
methodology. Personally I'm glad some states are not allowing tea producers
to make unfounded claims. My workplace is constantly being referred to as an
example of tea curing disease. No diseases were cured. We embraced
sustainable practices. Careful monitoring of soil biology, elimination of
agri- horticultural chemicals and incorporation of tested composts and APC
(humus purchased form Alaska), are a PART of the program. As a result we
have better nutrient cycling, soils with structure and improving set of
organisms able to keep the pathogens at bay. Tea is an elixir when made a
PART of a complete revamping of our gardening methodologies. A patent for
disease suppression if it exists, and I can't find any such patent, would be
criminal from my view. CT when combined with sustainable methods brings a
balance back and creates an environment where diseases and pest insects have
difficulty dominating.


All of the Monsanto programs I have attended were professional, but we've
learned that hype and presentation are not necessarily akin to reliable,
sustainable results.

Tom Jaszewski
www.livesoil.com
702-595-7012

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From: Lmvine1_at_cs.com [mailto:Lmvine1_at_cs.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:56 PM
To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Any Comments or reply to this?

In a message dated 1/30/2003 5:59:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jeff_at_gardener.com writes:


Where is the proof on vermicompost?

Cheers,

Jeff

I also was at the Viticulture meeting and G Hahn of Wormgold had pathogen
inhibition analyses showing the different pathogens and tea made from
Wormgold supressed or destroyed the pathogens. I believe that most of the
analyses were done at BBC labs. Jeff, see this
http://www.wormgold.com/test_3.html

If memory serves me right he said that he had gotten a patent on Wormgold
for disease supression. Was told that the specific diet fed the worms
produces chitosan (sp?) inhibitors.

The presentations were all professional but would be viewed as mostly basic
to grape growers on this list. Most conventional growers were pretty
overwhelmed at the data and paradigm shift.

One thing emphasized and I agree with is there is no silver bullet.

Dan Lynch
Long Mountain Vineyard
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