Re: RES: RES: [compost_tea] Don't use MOLD and a RANT

From: Graeme Gerrard <ggerrard_at_resonant.com.au>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:01:32 +1000

Every time I get something from SoilFoodWeb, it is in Times Roman 9
point. bad idea. This is unreadable on Macintoshes (I am on a mac -
i.e. no viruses).
>From Jose - It's even worse - light blue on a white background.
No wonder I skip these posts. I have to copy the text to another
app, change the font, size and colour to read then.
At least don't use a serif font please.

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>Dear Jeff,
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>Is there a problem with your computer ?
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>Everytime I get a message from you it comes in big
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>near capital letters. A psychologist would have a good
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>theory about that but this is not the issue here.
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>You don«t need to write in big black letters to make your point.
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>The fact that you have spend lots of money in analysis
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>of compost and compost tea does not gives you the right
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>to say what is right and what is wrong.
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>I know Alaska Humus is a good amendment as it has been
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>tested in lab but you make it sound like it is the only good stuff
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>on hearth which is not right to say the least.
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>Also, I have challenged you to present scientific evidence that
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>a single food source is better than several sources and you did
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>not present any evidence.
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>You have circumvented the subject talking about the money you
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>spend on analysis, about the classes of fungi or organisms that are
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>beneficial and expelling your bile Ê( do you have a liver problem ?)
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>but did not answer the main question that is why do you believe that
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>a single source is better than several fungal sources ?Ê Why ?
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>Can you please explain that ?
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>Jose
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>OK. Folks, calm down. This list is not getting out of control and it
>is not abandoning science.
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>I repeat what I said Re Mold: Don't use compost that grows lots of
>mold when you put in an additive to grow fungi.
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>What you are trying to grow in your tea are benefical fungi,
>primarily in the Basidiomycete group....although we also grow
>ascomycete and actinomycete fungi. You want Hyphal diameters of 3 if
>possible. Sure molds are fungi, but they are not the same type and
>they do not provide the benefits of the Basidiomycete type fungi.
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>Molds are usually red, green, black or blue. When you are growing
>fungi in your compost because of the addition of nutrients you do
>not want molds. You can get some really nasty things going with mold.
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>The type of fungi you want to see are long(up to several inches in
>some cases) fuzzy, bright white, hairy mycelium. The mass on top of
>your container will look like SANTA's Beard...white, fuzzy, threads
>all over the place. If you don't like the reference to Santa's
>beard, sorry. It is a universal sight and is a useful type
>description.
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>As for using all of the foods Jose suggests for additives ALL AT
>ONCE, you must be emulating the plate growth arguement...so you
>figure you have to put in more food to wake up diverse fungi
>? O.K. You think that is scientific? Not me. Too many variables and
>too much work for results that are obviously growing things you
>don't want in the tea. I've tested it. Have you? So who is the
>scientist?
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>And then you attack me for not being scientific. Please, if you only
>knew how much money I have spent testing teas (and passing on the
>information for free.......), with controls and more controls and
>repeats. When I scientifically tested lots of compost additives all
>at once, as did Jose, I got mold growing along with a little of the
>Santa's Beard (white rot, I believe) and BAD tea
>numbers.....SCIENTIFICALLY TESTED. When I use a single simple
>additive, I don't get the mold and I get some damn good tea numbers,
>TESTED.
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> So, no I am not a fungal spokesperson. However, I am damn good at
>making great fungal teas and I spend a lot of money testing what I
>am doing.
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> If you want to use all the additives Jose suggests, fine. I say it
>is overkill. If you want to grow mold, fine. I say they are bad for
>your teas. But don't tell me that I am not being scientific or
>that this is the wild west. Not in my case it isn't.
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>If you want great fungal teas with Basidiomycete type benefical
>fungi, I can help you. If you don't, that is fine. However, don't
>attack this list or members on it without thinking about what you
>are saying. In this instance, you were way off base.
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>Now I feel better and I repeat: DO NOT USE COMPOST WITH ADDITIVE
>NUTRIENTS IF THEY GROW MOLDS.
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>> I think we need more science here. After you do that, can you
>explain
>> how a food source can grow only one type of organism and
>> why do you recon this organism is bad instead of good just because
>> it doesn't look like "Santa's beard" ?
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>> Then :
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>> "Jose Mix has too many ingredients. Pick one and use that."
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>> Have you ever being a fungi or a yeast in other lifes to know
>> which kind do they like best ? Are you a fungi spoke person ?
>> How do you know that those beneficial fungi likes one source
>> of food instead of many ? Are you jealous about my mix ?
>> You can make a better one if you will. It is not " Jose's mix".
>> It is not patented.
>> I am glad I am not a fungi that inhabits your compost otherwise
>> I would have to live with a monolithic type of food that you
>> decided that is good for me. The idea behind many foods instead
>> of one is because life, and ultimately God, manifest themselves
>> through diversity.
>> Plurality is more democratic than a dictatorial single choice,
>don't you
>> think ?.
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