[compost_tea] Re: pasture exp.

From: dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:56:57 -0000
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, soilfoodweb@a... wrote:
> So, Tim, you want someone to do all the work for you, and you won't
take
> observations as acceptable information.
>
> Please recognize that in the world of science, we have to start at
the
> observation phase. 
>
> Darwin started his work on natural selection based on observation
of finch
> populations on islands in the Pacific.  All science starts with
observation of
> cause-effect relationships. 
>
> You start with the first observation, and then you continue to
observe.  Does
> the relationship continue to hold as you make more and more
observations?
>
> Once you collect many observations that indeed the relationship
holds, then
> you formulate a hypothesis that there's a relationship.  And you
then start
> testing the hypothesis. 
>
> Except, in the world of agriculture, there is no government funding
to test
> these observations.  Why is that? 
>
> We have written grants to explore these relationships, but they
don't get
> funded.  Why?  Who controls the purse strings at the USDA?  I
imagine that you
> have read all the current stories coming out in the press about how
some land
> grant universities are controlled by large chemical, pharmaceutical
companies. 
> How the USDA is controlled by the same poeple. 
>
> What we're talking about with getting the proper biology back into
the soil
> would cut into chemical sales severely.  Have cut into chemical
sales already. 
>
>
> So, no funding for the studies showing that the work done in the
lab actually
> works in commercial agriculture.
>
> So, growers are doing the studies on their own.  When they see the
benefits
> of using compost, or compost tea, or getting the right biology in
the soil, in
> the numbers and activity that the plants need, they don't continue
with the
> "control - treatment" study.  They turn everything into
the "treatment".  They
> are out to make money. 
>
> So, why don't you, a scientist?, take the observational data that
has been
> presented to you, and put together the study that would
appropriately test these
> relationships. 
>
> You are being handed the background information for you to do an
experiment,
> which if done properly, would establish you as a leader in the
field. 
>
> But if must be done properly.  Some scientists that have supposedly
tested
> compost tea have not recognized the criteria that we have set forth
for making
> aerobic compost tea and aerobic compost.  You make these materials
properly in
> order to get the biology needed into the soil. 
>
> If you don't test for the biology in the compost, in the tea, and
in the
> soil, you aren't doing proper science.  How can these people saying
that "compost
> tea doesn't work", when they have made no effort to measure the
organisms  in
> anything?  You know you are dealing with psuedo-scientiists when
that happens.

>
> And, as has been pointed out OVER and OVER again on this study with
pasture
> and animal weight gain, the person doing the study is Betsy Ross,
at Ross Farm.
>  For the details on the study, please contact her  at
www.rossfarm.com
>
> We don't claim to have done replicated, scientific studies.  We are
showing
> there is a clear relationship.   We are showing the addition of the
proper set
> of organisms is being very successful, in many, many conditions. 
Increased
> yield, increased nutrition in food, improved digestibility,
increased shelf
> life, reduced water use, reduced disease, etc.......    With the
number of places
> and systems we have worked with, how can you question that there is
a
> relationship. 
>
> But, now, let's get the controlled, manipulations worked out.  We
need the
> funding to do the replicated science.  The relationships have been
repeated too
> often in commercial ag situations to dismiss the fact that there's
something
> there, that we know what we've shown in the lab is real. 
>
> But, work needs to continue.  Solid, replicated sicence is needed.


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX I hope this "science" supporting ACT is more solid
than Darwin's. Dennis Kemnitz






You
> willing to stop being negative, and start being positive? 
>
> Elaine Ingham


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