Re: [compost_tea] Re: detrimentals not beneficials
interesting
my first inquiry was related to a mulched area in my
landscape where i do not want any plants
how does the system work in a row crop where no other
plants are growing such a some corn or tomatoes
situations?
--- tomjasz <tom_at_livesoil.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I've found that when a group of similar plants are
> well establsihed
> and the soil food web is as close, as we understand
> the ideal is for
> that plant, weeds do not flourish. That closer our
> SFW gets to ideal
> in turf grasses, the fewer weeds we have. As a
> matter of fact we no
> longer have ANY weed invasions in our turf. It's
> actually exciting to
> see taht poor lonely single dendelion pop up,
> flower, go to seed and
> wither away. The seeds never germinate! Not an
> herbicide but proof
> for me of Dr. E's theory of outcompeting!
>
> This has also been the case around pines and
> palms!!!! We now look
> for companion plants with the same or similar
> bacterial/fungal
> domination.
>
> Sure would be nice to have a vlome of references for
> companion
> planting. Imagine what kind of landscapes that would
> produce!
>
> tomj
>
>
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, David Anderson
> <squtch_at_g...>
> wrote:
> > Well Butch, we all have to concentrate on what
> interests us. We have
> > to scratch our own itch.
> >
> > I just don't think that you are going to find many
> people that will
> > get sidetracked into working on herbicidal tea
> when they are trying
> to
> > work on tea for plant growth.
> >
> > While asking here is a good start, I think you
> will need to start
> > advancing some research on your own before you
> will get much
> interest
> > from others to check out their "bad tea". It is
> certainly an
> > interesting possibility, bit it is your itch to
> scratch.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:20:19 -0700 (PDT), butch
> ragland
> > <wilddog_202_at_y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Elaine the first paragraph is one of the zealot,
> hear
> > > that word carefully, I'm not criticizing. I
> admire
> > > your work very much but there is as much
> knowledge to
> > > be gleaned from what goes wrong as well as what
> goes
> > > right. All knowledge has a value and can be used
> in
> > > some positive way. Unless your throw the
> knowledge out
> > > with the bad tea. Tea can be defined in any way
> that
> > > can be replicated. Who knows the value of a bad
> batch
> > > that can be replicated and where or how that
> value can
> > > be applied. Out of my imagination, say an oil
> spill
> > > clean up. AND I'm not trying to change the
> direction
> > > of you or anyone else's focus and work.
> > >
> > > Your last paragraph is one of a thinker it
> begins to
> > > answer my question.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- soilfoodweb_at_a... wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Butch -
> > > >
> > > > No one will, or should, claim compost tea as
> an
> > > > herbicide. We have not
> > > > defined the conditions which will result in
> the tea
> > > > containing compounds that could
> > > > kill plants.
> > > >
> > > > However, if you brew compost tea that you
> > > > purposefully make anaerobic, we
> > > > know that SOMETIMES, materials will be
> produced that
> > > > can, and do, kill plants.
> > > > I've done it a few times when we were first
> playing
> > > > with compost tea. Rather
> > > > disconcerting.
> > > >
> > > > However, it is hard to control all the factors
> that
> > > > need to be controlled to
> > > > make an herbicide brew, consistently.
> > > >
> > > > So, I prefer to use simpler approaches, such
> as
> > > > adding so much carbon to the
> > > > soil that the bacteria and fungi grow rapidly,
> take
> > > > up all the excess nitrate,
> > > > which is what weed species require to
> germinate and
> > > > out-compete the more
> > > > desired crop or grass species. Much more
> reliable.
> > > >
> > > > The key is excess carbon, AND the organisms to
> use
> > > > that carbon. The carbon
> > > > can be molasses, for example, orange oil, as
> another
> > > > choice, or lots of woody
> > > > material, with just a touch of high nitrogen
> > > > contaiing material to get the
> > > > bacteria and fungi going. All of these can do
> a
> > > > good job of killing plants you
> > > > don't want, and enhancing the plants you do
> want.
> > > >
> > > > Be careful though - too much of any of these,
> and
> > > > you can kill all the
> > > > plants. We've done that too, and actually a
> > > > graduate student of Mark Wilson's
> > > > published that information some years ago as
> part of
> > > > a study on conditions that
> > > > allow native plants to grow.
> > > >
> > > > Best way to approach this is to test the
> proper
> > > > concentration of molasses or
> > > > other high carbon materials by adding to plots
> at
> > > > higher and higher
> > > > concentrations. The concentration that kills
> the
> > > > weed without killing the crop plants
> > > > is the one you want to apply over a larger
> area.
> > > >
> > > > OK?
> > > >
> > > > Elaine R. Ingham
> > > > Soil Foodweb Inc., Corvallis, Oregon
> > > > Soil Foodweb Inc., Port Jefferson, New York
> > > > Soil Foodweb Institute, Lismore Australia
> > > > Soil Foodweb Institute Cambridge, New Zealand
> > > > Laboratorios de Soil Foodweb, Culiacan, Mexico
> > > > Soil Foodweb Inc., Jerome, Idaho
> > > > Soil Foodweb Inc., South Africa
> > > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Butch Ragland
> > > Conflict is as addictive as
> > > cocaine, alcohol, cigarettes,etc
> > > I'm sorry to report that
> > > cooperation is not
> > >
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Butch Ragland
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I'm sorry to report that
cooperation is not
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