[compost_tea] Re: Searching for basic instructions on compost tea brewing

From: Titel Ryzhomer <thegoodjob_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:25:50 -0000

Dave,

Thank you for your two posts and for saying what was also on my mind
as a farmer and hillbilly researcher.

Cheers,
Titel

--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, David Anderson <squtch@g...>
wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:17:40 -0800, Tom Jaszewski <tom_at_l...> wrote:
> > [Tom Jaszewski] There is no problem with my confidence, my
successes have
> > been stellar and beyond my original expectations.
>
> That is far more important than any study.unless your goal is to
> convince scientists. Even there, the volume of anecdotal evidence
is
> what causes the studies. Any scientist that takes the attitude
that if
> there aren't studies, that there is no proof, is practicing bad
> science.
>
> Anecdotal evidence is observation over time.
>
> Scientific evidence is observation in a controlled situation over
limited time.
>
> There is no such thing as a controlled situation in agriculture.
> Therefore, any scientific study is basically organized and funded
> anecdotal evidence.
>
> Yeah, telling them that their studies aren't worth any more than a
> farmer's observations might not go over well with their egos, but
it
> is the truth.
>
> > The difficulty comes when
> > others are asked to make decisions affecting their livelihood
based on
> > faith.
>
> Is it so easy to convince them with studies?
>
> I would expect that they would be resitant to change no matter
what if
> what they are currently doing is paying the bills.
>
> > I continue to see organic gardening, as an example, as anything
but
> > mainstream.
>
> I seem to recall you hail from Las Vegas, where there is not much
that
> is natural. You should come check out the Maritime Northwest.
Organic
> produce is incredibly easy to come by, and if you walk the stands
at
> the farmer's markets and talk to the growers, you will find that
even
> thowe with non-organic farms are using more and more organic
> techniques except when they have a specific need to go chemical.
>
> Hell, it's even becoming more common in the heartland, not just on
the
> coasts. And it is the "I've done it, and it works" statements that
> will change over the growers, not some study.
>
> It is going to take time, but it is happening.
>
> > My personal goals involve moving this technology into a broader
> > acceptance.
>
> That is a great goal, and I'm sure we all support you.
>
>
> > [Tom Jaszewski] What I meant here is that we are not a likely
picture of
> > mainstream horticulture and agriculture. Most here believe in
the principles
> > espoused by Dr. E, but this isn't a faith movement. Many of us
are working
> > hard to find, support, and fund better data. I have no problem
with those
> > here that don't have that same need, but there are many more out
there that
> > need accurate, defined and meaningful direction based on
science.
>
> And any scientist that disregards anecdotal evidence really needs a
> refresher course in scientific thought.
>
> Dave




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