[compost_tea] Re: MICROBIOLOGY TESTING of COMPOST TEAS
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"They" only started pasteurizing apple cider a few years
ago............ And milk is pasteurized cause of some disease that
supposedly can be transmitted from the cow into milk (or could there
be another reason)? I don't see any reason for E.coli testing in ACT
which is made according to "specs" and meets or exceeds specs.
(except perhaps when sprayed on a crop which won't be washed during
processing) BUT I don't make the rules. ...............I drink raw
milk from my cow. Don't know that I'd want to drink someone else's
coliforms! BUT I'd bet they're on the grocery store shelves and win
the bet.
I don't sell large amounts of any food products. In other words
I'm not concerned about product liability, yet. I am a wanna be
organic supplier so am watching the rules for "ACT" (whatever it is
exactly)use as they develop. I've made a couple batches of "ACT"
which could have been dumped as waste but did I? I probably used it
as a soil drench......... I didn't spray it on ripe strawberries or
blackberries...... BTW a bunch of starlings perched on my
scaffolding this morning a few minutes and sure left a mess on my
firewood. Suppose I should pasteurize the wood before I touch it? Or
burn it? Or sell it? Merry Christmas. Dennis Kemnitz in KS
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\ In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, butch ragland <wilddog_202@y...>
wrote:
> Its not possible to pasteurize a compost pile. I know
> Dennis is not suggesting that but what are we talking
> about beyond reasonable caution.
>
> --- dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000_at_y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > --- There are rodents, rabbbits, cats, raccoons, etc
> > cruising around
> > the compost pile (24/7). Not just birds. That'll
> > change statistical
> > significance. I think an ND will be somewhat
> > difficult to obtain
> > with all those critters moving around. I've done
> > lots of coliform
> > (not E. coli specifically)testing on raw milk
> > samples and coliform
> > (microorganisms from the gut of warm blooded
> > animals)get in the milk
> > quite easily apparently.
> > BTW I sure appreciate all the people on this
> > list who send info
> > to further the cause. It takes a lot of time (for
> > me anyway)to
> > write the long explanations, etc. Thanks again.
> > Dennis Kemnitz in KS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, butch ragland
> > <wilddog_202_at_y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I can follow all of the what ifs but statistically
> > it
> > > is so unlikely that it seems silly to worry about
> > it.
> > > --- Ted Peterson <ted.peterson_at_t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: butch ragland
> > > > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 4:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [compost_tea] MICROBIOLOGY
> > TESTING of
> > > > COMPOST TEAS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is the signifience of traces of e coli
> > such
> > > > as a
> > > > random bird droping on a pile of compost.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Think of aerobic and anaerobic conditions. You
> > have
> > > > a compost pile or windrow you have carefully
> > > > nurtured from greenwaste only, no animal feces
> > used
> > > > in the compost. It sits outside and a couple of
> > > > birds fly over and leave droppings. Now, most
> > birds
> > > > are carnivores; they eat insects and worms along
> > > > with berries and nuts and stuff. But their
> > > > digestive systems, in general, are capable of
> > > > digesting meat, or protein from animals. That
> > means
> > > > they have the bacteria in their digestive
> > systems to
> > > > handle these inputs. A bird's digestive system
> > is
> > > > anaerobic which means that anaerobic bacteria
> > thrive
> > > > there. There are some switchers but it's more
> > of a
> > > > case where they can tolerate O2 as opposed to
> > > > requiring O2. There are e coli, and other
> > > > pathogens, associated with bird equivelant of a
> > > > colon.
> > > >
> > > > When these birds evacuate (Remember, birds do
> > not
> > > > have urinary tracts like humans. You don't see
> > > > birds running sound lifting their legs on bushes
> > and
> > > > branches.) all the material goes including
> > bacteria
> > > > feeding on the stuff being ejected. This hits
> > the
> > > > compost pile and along comes Joe Composter and
> > turns
> > > > the pile over. Now these bacteria are at the
> > bottom
> > > > or near the center of the pile with little air.
> > > > It's an environment they like so they start
> > > > multiplying. Leave it long enough and keep your
> > > > pile anaerobic enough and you can generate
> > pathogen
> > > > levels that are unacceptable by EPA standards
> > for
> > > > compost. Remember also that bacteria don't
> > > > generally taxi so you have to turn the pile
> > around
> > > > to spread the stuff throughtout the whole pile.
> > > > Even then, pathogens near the surface will be
> > less
> > > > because of O2 and UV. UV actually kills them
> > and
> > > > they can be digested under certain circumstances
> > but
> > > > I wouldn't count on digestion as a way to
> > control
> > > > pathogens.
> > > >
> > > > That's how it can happen. Now, lucky for us, e
> > coli
> > > > are very sensitive to UV and O2 so if you keep
> > your
> > > > pile turned and oxygenated enough, you can keep
> > the
> > > > pathogen levels quite low. Also, lucky for us
> > > > ostrich's don't fly.
> > > >
> > > > Now I don't know if you have ever raised a crow
> > but
> > > > I have (three to be exact) and let me tell you,
> > they
> > > > produce a healthy load. It's almost directly
> > > > proportional to the amount you feed them which
> > makes
> > > > me wonder if anything they eat, which is quite a
> > > > lot, actually gets digested.
> > > >
> > > > Ted Peterson
> > > > SOE
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Butch Ragland
> > > Conflict is as addictive as
> > > cocaine, alcohol, cigarettes,etc
> > > I'm sorry to report that
> > > cooperation is not
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> =====
> Butch Ragland
> Conflict is as addictive as
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>
>
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