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Re: Strawpersons Living in Houses of Cards



This opportunity is too good to pass up:

Response 1 (Joke):  Thermodynamics assures me that the energy output will 
be close to but slightly less than the energy input when the machine and 
I are considered as a closed system. (Don't get any weird ideas.)

Response 2 (Almost serious):  If the machine is considered to be the same 
as tools, the human species has been using tools for over 50,000 years.  
That is sustainable enough for me.

Response 3 (Serious):  If the machines use solar power or the equivalent 
in renewable energy for their use and full production cycle it would 
require more than your _fiat_ to convince me that you are correct.  I 
would be interested in how you justify your statement.  YOu may be able 
to do so.
---Jay Woods

On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 YankeePerm@aol.com wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 11/18/96 10:06:54 PM, jwoods@sr.radiks.net (Jay Woods)
> wrote:
> 
> <<I have no trouble imagining low input agriculture sustaining populations 
> in the US.  The key concept that would need to be adopted is underground 
> housing and commercial buildings.  Then the farming via CSA would be 
> literally overhead.  That should cut down on travel time.  As small scale 
> and intelligent machinery is developed to handle raised beds the 
> production per person will rise to match or exceed current agribusiness 
> norms.
> ---Jay Woods>>
> 
> Food production that depends on machinery is not sustainable.  You will
> always get far less energy out that you put in.  
> 
> For Mother Earth, Dan Hemenway, Yankee Permaculture Publications (since
> 1982), Elfin Permaculture workshops, lectures, Permaculture Design Courses,
> consulting and permaculture designs (since 1981), and now permaculture
> training in an email classroom. Copyright, 1996, Dan & Cynthia Hemenway.
> YankeePerm@aol.com  P.O. 2025, Ocala FL 3447-2025 USA.
> 
> We don't have time to rush.
> 


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