From char.ch.leenexT@arsgoal.snafu.de Sun Mar 26 11:42:48 EST 1995
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:(; 50m from the x-wall of berlin:::..:); ::17000000m from home:: ....:x°x

hi people!

i'm finishing after looooong years architecture (the m-medium in URUGUAY

was around 12 (twelve, not joke:((( years((

thema: america's cultural centre - a cyberTOR in berlin

i hope you understand that i mean america from alaska to tierra del fuego

now *WE* have just 58 days... and 5.000 m2 ....

i will put the plan and photos on some home pages i'm constructing,

IF ## it W0rKs!(
THANx A L0T F0R ya HELP ;; WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DISCUSSION ON CSPACE
BY PROFFEESSIONALS
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From savagewoc@aol.com Sun Mar 26 11:42:50 EST 1995
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michael contact Melissa Donohue at 208 263 3078, she is editor of
Macintosh Construction Forum, they have a complete list of Mac
Construction applications, including garden and landscaping apps

Craig Savage 
Publisher

PS anyone interested in a free copy of the newsletter or one for PC users
called Windows on Construction please leave me your USPS address and I
will have a copy sent to you 


From rkamins@aludra.usc.edu Sun Mar 26 11:42:51 EST 1995
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daphne spain is the author of the book "gendered spaces".

also i think there was something by catherine ingrahm on this as well.

"architecture" magazine had a practice oriented "women's issue" a 
couple of years ago.

but there is a surprising amount of stuff on this topic around.
stanley tigerman, for one, found fertile ground, so to speak, on the topic
of the "lack" and the "irreparable wound", among other things in an
architectural context.

the criticism that has to be made of this topic, like most graduate school
indulgences, is that it has very little to do with architecture and even
less to do with getting anything built than with self-congratulatory
posturing.  the most adept minds of the profession learn how to do anything
but conceive and create space, and in the end the whole profession gets
marginalized.  

have fun!


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Mar 26 11:42:52 EST 1995
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<keele001@mc.duke.edu> wrote:

>Some alternatives:

>My brother-in-law has built many domes using a process from some construction
>company in Texas...

Yup, that's Monolithic Constructors, Inc.

>First, pour the foundation, and inflate the balloon on top of it...
>I've heard they will make custom shapes.

True, with some physical limitations, eg convexity.

>From inside the balloon, you spray the inside with 6 inches of foam.

Actually, they start with an inch or so, and that's probably all you need,
altogether, if you passive solar heat the dome. They usually use 3" of foam.

>Once the foam has hardened, the balloon shape is supported by the foam.

True, but more interestingly, perhaps, is that small pieces of sheet metal
with protruding wires ("skyhooks") are stuck on the foam while it is still
very sticky. These later serve as supports for wiring up reinforcing rod,
which I feel is probably not necessary.

>Then you weave reinforcing rods against the inside surface...

[Wiring it up to the skyhooks]

>Next spray concrete on the inside of the shell...

Too much concrete, I think. They use 2". Seems like it could be 1/4",
over wire mesh, not rebar. The 2" of concrete makes it fairly earthquake-
proof and tornado-proof and nuclear-weapon proof, but many houses don't
need that and aren't designed for that. I'd rather have a very inexpensive
house with ordinary structural performance than a house with normal
cost and super performance.

And it seems to me that all this would work better for small domes if
they started with a lightweight geodesic wood frame, covered that with
poly film, evacuated the structure slightly, sprayed on an inch of foam,
added the skyhooks, stapled wire mesh on the flat triangles, troweled on
1/4" of cement, and nailed thin galvanized metal on the outside.

Nick



From jfoster@utdallas.edu Sun Mar 26 11:42:53 EST 1995
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>From jfoster@utdallas.edu Thu Mar 16 00:50:16 1995
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Good Luck with your project! Please let me know of any other observations 
regarding this subject.
Thanks!

John Foster                         
jfoster@utdallas.edu
75352.3464@compuserve.com

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>From jfoster@utdallas.edu Thu Mar 16 19:52:38 1995
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I have sent several messages. Did you get them? I have not recieved the 
contract from you. If you have already mailed them, please advise when 
they were mailed. Maybe they got lost. If so we need to have another set 
sent.  If you are haveing second thoughts or have changed your mind, 
please advise so that I can get another person to work with us. I will 
wait until next Tuesday; 3/21/95. If I do not hear from you I will make 
the assumption that you are no longer interested and proceed with my plans.
TEL: (214) 423-4690
FAX: (214) 424-5268

John Foster                         
jfoster@utdallas.edu
75352.3464@compuserve.com

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>From jfoster@utdallas.edu Thu Mar 16 21:21:07 1995
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Subject: A Rational Basis for OOB Experiences
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	This is an attempt to explain or supply a view of the cause of
what appears to be memories from previous lives. I also think that this
explanation accounts for our ability to "TRAVEL" out of body I personally
think that this phenomena is real. I have a view of " TIME" that seems to
be unique. I believe that this explanation of how we relate to TIME
throughout our existence might provide for a reconciliation of the
spiritual realm and the scientific community. I will cite by example: 
 " Think of time as a big pond, with the water representing the space/time
continnum of our universe. We will call this pond our three dimensional
universe. Every thing in that universe is constantly in motion relative to
the finite boundaries of the pond, and relative to everything else in the
pond. We also must accept the notion that "energy", which is both part of
the pond (i.e. motion, matter, light), but is also somehow separate from
it. Therefore energy must exist in another form than three dimensional.
Lets call that a two dimensional universe. Energy, is within our 3D frame
of reference, it is involved with our existence, in fact we are made up of
matter, which we know can be converted to energy by inducing a situation
in which the process of Entrophy can accelerate.  Consider that "WE"  (
our spiratual beings) are made up of energy patterns that exist in that
separate 2D universe. For simplicity's sake lets view the air above the
pond as a place where energy resides. If the motion in the pond forms a
small vortex in the surface it allows air to enter the pond, say a small
bubble is trapped below the surface. It gets swept along below the surface
for a period of time, but eventually rises to the surface to rejoin the
air from which it came. 
	Our "lives" operate in the same manner. Our spirit inhabits our
body and moves through life in our 3D universe, exactly as the bubble
moves through the pond. When we leave this plane of existence to rejoine
the 2D universe, some memories, maybe all, are transferred back because
the energy patterns which make up our spirit were altered during our
existence in the 3D universe. Because we (our energy) can not be
deystroyed, these memories are available to us with proper training and
interpretation. This condition is constant and the process of living
involves the relationships of the motion of our combined energy (spirit)
and our physical body thru the spact/time continnum. The important part of
this is that the only thing that ever really changes is our conscious,
temporal frame of reference. In short, those "other lives", in their time
frame, always exist. It follows then, that it is possible to attain a
level of super-consciousness wherin we can change to the 2D frame of
reference and comprehend these other existences.
	Some refer to this living process as reincarnation, and the
ability to enter the level of 2D consciousness, as Astral Travel. This is
a very loose interpretation of the process, and should be reexamined.
	 To a great extent we may all learn to utilize this knowledge and
these memories. Most people can learn to varying degrees, how to expand
their level of consciousness to recognize the experiences of their
existence. I have successfully used self hypnosis and certain types of
meditation to achieve this. Also maintaining good physical health is
necessary.
	As to why this all takes place, I don't have a clue. I expect one
day to know the answer, but I am not in any particular hurry to reach that
day. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"I invite your questions!"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


John Foster                         
jfoster@utdallas.edu
75352.3464@compuserve.com

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>From jfoster@utdallas.edu Fri Mar 17 01:31:30 1995
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WHEW!!!
I was gald to hear from you. I will be compleating the models over the 
next week. I wlll get you a set as quickly as possible. They will help in 
making it clear how the system works, and also we need good art work of 
them for the patent application. You are right, we will also need art of 
the various types of structures that may be assembled using the forms. You 
know, we need a name for these things too. I have made some design 
changes in the fastener, it should now seal properly and be easier to 
use. I assure you that this project is going to take several months to 
complete, then we wait to see what has to be done to answer any actions 
of the USPTO, then we wait some more. The moral is patience, with a lot 
of communication during times when we are thinking or whatever. Please if 
you will, send me some kind of note at least weekly, even if you only say 
"Hello, I'm busy, see ya later!" Sorry, I spent too many years in 
administrative managment and I hate working in a mushroom environment.
Thanks for the prompt response.
	Is your e-mail connection secured, or in your home? I want to 
start sending info via file transfer instead of regular U.S. Mail. If you 
are using a commercial internet providor, or your connection where you 
work, we need to use an encryption program. I suggest you download a copy 
of PGP23.zip from an ftp site. Its free and is very good. 
Thanks!

John Foster                         
jfoster@utdallas.edu
75352.3464@compuserve.com

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>From jfoster@utdallas.edu Mon Mar 20 09:48:42 1995
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I had hoped to stir some interest in this group with this post. If there
is anyone who wishes to try to expand on these ideas by opening a
continuing thread please feel free to post away. 

John Foster                         
jfoster@utdallas.edu
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>From jfoster@utdallas.edu Mon Mar 20 22:48:06 1995
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Attention All!! This offer expired on 3-20-95. Thanks!

75352.3464@compuserve.com

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>From jfoster@utdallas.edu Tue Mar 21 00:22:59 1995
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	I have designed a series of structural components to EFFICIENTLY 
construct Geodesic Domes and other types of Curvilinear Enclosures. 
I would greatly appreciate ANY experiences of a first hand, or personal 
nature, regarding the construction of these type of buildings. I am 
seeking to develop a list of the type of problems that are encountered in 
this type of construction. I want to hear every possible "Horror" story 
that can be recounted. What kind of structures, materials, designs, etc. 
that did not work, or that did better than expected. 
	I also am trying to determine the level of interest in using this
type of design, both in residential and commercial applications. This
information will be used to assist in developing the marketing of my
system. 
	This is an important survey, so thanks in advance for your time and
consideration. Please send all responses to the address below via private
e-mail. 


John Foster                         
jfoster@utdallas.edu
75352.3464@compuserve.com

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>From jfoster@utdallas.edu Tue Mar 21 12:25:57 1995
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To: Nick Pine <nick@nfs.ee.vill.edu>
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On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, Nick Pine wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> I gather you've read the "Refried Domes" publication, with its horror stories
> and point of view, that domes make fine stick models, but bad houses,
> for lots of reasons...
> 
> Nick
Response:
Hi, Nick!
	I never heard of "Refried Domes". Is it reallay a published book
or text of some type? I am a designer and inventor of products for the
consumer market. I have two architects working on this project with me. 
In developing a marketing strategy for our system we need to know what is
the current buying public's perception of this type of structure. We are
certain of the commercial viability, we are more interested in the
residential aspects of our application. I certainly would appreciate ANY
info that you or your associates in this group can share with us. BTW we
feel that our system does not have any short commings, but there is
nothing like public awarness for exposing problems that we have not
addressed. 
	We will be going public with more details when our patents are
granted. For now lets suffice to say, "We have no areas of 
structural/mechanical weakness. We have a system that will allow for as 
few as 2 people to completely assemble a home or building from our 
components. We have a system that can be used under ANY physical or 
geographical conditions without redesign, other than composition of 
msterials used in manufacturing our forms. We have a system that allows 
for the construction of many different sizes of enclosures, using the same 
components for each differnt size building." What else is required? We 
are looking for questions that we feel we have already got answers for.
We hope to hear from many people.
Thanks!


John Foster                         
jfoster@utdallas.edu
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From mitcho2@aol.com Sun Mar 26 11:42:54 EST 1995
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This would be a wonderful topic for a FAQ or resource list; if someone had
the facility and resources for all the mail (and time) this might
entail...



From davemann@ionet.net Sun Mar 26 11:42:56 EST 1995
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I am attempting to establish a www page of Architects' pages.  If anyone has a 
www page devoted to their architectural business i would be interested in 
including a link to their business/personal page.  At this time, the structure 
is somewhat in the planning stages; however, i forsee that this could be an 
all inclusive area for all types of construction within our built environment 
(ie government agencies, planning, interiors, architecture, engineering, 
construction, etc.)
In an e-mail response please include if computers are utilized and what cad 
package is used.  Also include what area of expertise your firm is centralized 
in, and any other information that you might deem appropriate  (this would 
include the address of the page, obviously).


             aTdHvAaNnKcSe
               David A Mihm
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        davemann@ionet.net         http://www.ionet.net/~davemann/davemann.html
      .i really must re-think this
          introspective thing.
             archiTecT_re
           cad mgr @ HTB Inc




From rdmstr@cyberport.net Sun Mar 26 11:42:57 EST 1995
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From: rdmstr@cyberport.net (Ron De Meester)
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Request for help:

I am looking for citations/sources about available designs for very small
cabins and/or vacation homes - in the range of 500 to 1200 sq. ft.  The
information that is available in my area (rural Montana)  is very limited,
indeed.  Specifically, those designs that are very cost effective and easy
to build (simple in design considerations) are what I am seeking.  Sources
might logically include university arch. depts., government demonstration
projects or books and/or videos.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Due
to the fact that my news group server is so sporatic (some weeks, yes - some
weeks, no) please e-mail me at rdmstr@cyberport.net.  Thanks again.

Ron De Meester
Kalispell, MT    
Ron De Meester
rdmstr@cyberport.com


From jane.berger@housenet.com Sun Mar 26 11:42:59 EST 1995
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Subject: EARTH SHELTERED HOMES
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WELL, I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT OR ENGINEER BUT WE DID PURCHASE AN EARTH
SHELTERED HOME (IN FLORIDA, NO LESS) LAST YEAR. IT WAS MOSTLY A CAVE
AND WE HAVE GUTTED AND ARE REBUILDING INSIDE. THE ROOF SYSTEM HAS BEEN
REMOVED AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON EARTH SHELTERED ROOFING
SYSTEMS SO WE CAN GET THE DIRT BACK ON OUR ROOF!  OUR HOME IS SMALL BUT
IS SO UNIQUE AND WE REALLY LOVE THE CHALLENGE OF BRINGING IT BACK TO
LIFE.  IT WAS BUILT IN 1981 BUT THE COMPANY WHICH BUILT IT HAS GONE OUT
OF BUSINESS.


From ccurtis@halcyon.com Sun Mar 26 11:43:00 EST 1995
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In article <3kgnrt$p6k_001@grail816.nando.net>, <pjm@nando.net> writes:
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> From: pjm@nando.net (paul milligan)
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> Subject: Re: anti-EMF/EMI wiring
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> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950315111621.12809D-100000-100000@efn.org>,
>    Andrew MacMillen <andrewm@efn.org> wrote:
> ~~For thos of you who have responded to my post thank you. Also my aplogies 
> ~~for the timeless quality of the post. Apparentley Paranet in Japan is 
> ~~creating spurious echoes of old postings. I originally sent the EMF post 
> ~~in Jan.
> 
> ~~                        MINIMIZING HOME EMF EXPOSURE
> ~~                      COPYRIGHT 1995 BY ANDREW MACMILLEN
> 
> ~~   Wiring: Keep high load wiring from the main panel to a subpanel or to
> ~~   high current appliances away from frequently used spaces.
> 
> Does this include stoves and kitchens ?  Where should the electric stove
> be kept ?
> 
> ~~ Avoid
> ~~   using devices such as alarm clocks or electric blankets near the bed.
> 
> You were on a roll up until now.  Where should they be, the garage ?
> 
> 
> ~~   Select energy efficient equipment. Select computer equipment that
> ~~   meets Swedish EMF standards. Request EMF specifications for all
> ~~   appliances. Provide switches for phantom loads such as TV's, VCR's
> ~~   etc. (possibly only one outlet of a duplex receptacle). If desired,
> ~~   install demand switches for bedroom wiring.
> 
> What exactly is a phantom load ?
> 
> Are EMF specs available for hot water heaters ?  Light bulbs ?
> 
> What is a demand switch for bedroom wiring ?  
> 
> Really , much of what you wrote is inherent in modern wiring practice,
> if not actually required by code ( your grounding comments, etc.).
> 
> The rest of it makes no sense at all.  No sense at all.
I disagree.   It all makes great sense.   I have used many of these ideas in my 
cabin and have found that there are other advantages to using these techniques 
like cleaner power (less RF noise).   If you are trying to save energy, 
reducing phantom loads can be a great help.   As for using an electric range or 
hot water heater, they are lame to begin with.   Using electricity to generate 
heat is a fools game.   While my electric friends keep paying the POWER 
companies ransom every month I continue to get my energy from the sun, wind, 
and rain.   Lets all hope that Andrew keeps up his good work for the people who 
care and care to know.   For the rest, press Ctrl-N.




From zapp@gate.net Sun Mar 26 11:43:01 EST 1995
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From andrewm@efn.org Sun Mar 26 11:43:02 EST 1995
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From: Andrew MacMillen <andrewm@efn.org>
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For thos of you who have responded to my post thank you. Also my aplogies 
for the timeless quality of the post. Apparentley Paranet in Japan is 
creating spurious echoes of old postings. I originally sent the EMF post 
in Jan.

Since I have received many requets for the info sheet I have since 
generated, and since I have seen several inconsistencies posted herein, I 
have attached the text only vesion of my guide. Enjoy.

                        MINIMIZING HOME EMF EXPOSURE
                      COPYRIGHT 1995 BY ANDREW MACMILLEN
                                       
   (Note: Figures not included in this online version.)
   
   Although the research regarding dangers from Electro-Magnetic Fields
   (EMF) is inconclusive, there are simple, low cost solutions that
   minimize EMF exposure for both new and existing houses.
   
   Home electrical wiring produces two different fields: electric fields
   from the voltage, and magnetic fields based on current flow or
   amperage. 60 Hz AC electrical fields are faint, are attenuated
   significantly by most building materials, and are generally not
   considered harmful. However, research has determined probable
   biological effects from magnetic fields. Magnetic fields are generated
   by house wiring when current flows, either because of loads, or from
   unbalanced circuits as in Figure 1, plus the positioning of the hot
   and neutral conductors. More current produces higher magnetic fields.
   And the greater the separation of the conductors, the less
   cancellation of the field and therefore greater magnetic fields over
   greater distances.
   
   Some simple strategies to help alleviate any risks are: always pair
   hot and neutral leads to help cancel magnetic fields; provide a
   single, strong ground point; keep high current loads and their wiring
   away from frequented areas; always try to achieve below a 2 milligaus
   field at 2 feet.
   
   The following are specific suggestions to minimize the level of EMF
   exposure. Always follow local electric code.
   
   Site: Determine sources of magnetic fields such as power lines,
   transformers, or substations on or near the building site. A gauss
   meter will determine the level and locations of magnetic fields. Site
   the building farthest away from magnetic fields. Note: buried power
   cables are not necessarily effective in reducing magnetic fields.
   
   Service Drop & Panels: Use bundled and twisted power cable drops to
   reduce field generation. Keep the drop, meter and service panels, and
   subpanels away from normally occupied rooms (e.g. mount on a garage or
   utility room wall). Balance 120 VAC branch circuits on each side of
   the 120/240 panel for normal usage patterns in the house.
   
   Grounds: Install a thorough ground rod. Never provide a separate
   ground for subpanels (i.e. tie subpanel circuit grounds to the ground
   bussbar, which connects only to the main service panel ground).
   Install an insulated bushing at the water meter to keep current
   imbalances from returning on the water pipes (for metal water pipes;
   not needed if plastic). Prevent metal sheathed cabling from contacting
   water pipes, electrical conduit, or appliances and providing a
   separate ground path.
   
   Wiring: Keep high load wiring from the main panel to a subpanel or to
   high current appliances away from frequently used spaces. Avoid
   separating hot & neutral wires; ensure that there is always a supply
   and return current in all wiring runs. Since three way switches wired
   per Figure 1 generate a current loop and magnetic field, install three
   way switches using three conductor cable between the switches as shown
   in Figure 2. Wire long runs with 2 two conductor cables per Figure 3,
   not 240 unbalanced split circuits as in Figure 4. Remove knob-and-tube
   wiring, which generates high magnetic fields due to conductor
   separation, and is less safe than current wiring practices.
   
   Loads: Locate high load appliances such as electric dryers and
   electric hot water heaters away from bedrooms, kitchens, etc. Avoid
   using devices such as alarm clocks or electric blankets near the bed.
   Select energy efficient equipment. Select computer equipment that
   meets Swedish EMF standards. Request EMF specifications for all
   appliances. Provide switches for phantom loads such as TV's, VCR's
   etc. (possibly only one outlet of a duplex receptacle). If desired,
   install demand switches for bedroom wiring.

++++++++++++++++
Andrew MacMillen
Holistic Homes Design
lo-tox & alt matls; Permaculture; Feng-Shui
andrewm@efn.org
http://www.efn.org/~andrewm
++++++++++++++++




From grnwllrlty@aol.com Sun Mar 26 11:43:03 EST 1995
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Yet another test

Please ignore
Jim Hughes                          >>>>>>> Serious Buyer's Broker <<<<<<<
                                  >>>>>>>  Free Information Available
<<<<<<<
>>>>>>> Accredited Buyer's Representative (ABR), <<<<<<<
>>>>>>>   Certifed Buyer's Agent (CBA)   <<<<<<<
Owner Greenwell Realty,  Minneapolis/ St. Paul     (612) 785-0785     Fax
(612) 785-1167


From sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca Sun Mar 26 11:43:10 EST 1995
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80 feet isn't particularly difficult.  Go look at a selection of modern
churches or warehouses.  A common warehouse truss for this has wood top
and bottom, and steel rods zig-zagging up and down.  Typically about 2'
from top to bottom.  Go ask any truss company.

I suspect that this is right at the outter limit for conventional 2x4/6
trusses.   

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Test trailer
Jim Hughes                          >>>>>>> Serious Buyer's Broker <<<<<<<
                                  >>>>>>>  Free Information Available
<<<<<<<
>>>>>>> Accredited Buyer's Representative (ABR), <<<<<<<
>>>>>>>   Certifed Buyer's Agent (CBA)   <<<<<<<
Owner Greenwell Realty,  Minneapolis/ St. Paul     (612) 785-0785     Fax
(612) 785-1167


From news@swcp.com Sun Mar 26 11:43:14 EST 1995
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In article <3k3esd$4mq@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, mmartine@mccoy says...
>
>little little boxes sitting on the hillside
>little little boxes all in a line
>little little boxes lined up on the hillside
>little little boxes looking all alike

I agree completly.  Next time your in Albuquerque go see Bart Prince's
house on Unser Blvd.  He effectivly said the same thing you did.

Jerry Jensen
UNM Architecture Graduate



From jchoi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sun Mar 26 11:43:15 EST 1995
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From: jchoi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jinwon Choi)
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I have collected architectural resources in my www home page.  If you have
a www browser try at http://www.enc.org/~jchoi/otherwww.htlm
Hope this helps.

Jin Won Choi
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From marktan@aol.com Sun Mar 26 11:43:16 EST 1995
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From: marktan@aol.com (MarkTan)
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When I got the flyer, I didn't think this was serious - I thought it was
about the most tasteless thing I've seen in a while, with respect to
architecture.

How about a competition for a new restaurant chain - "Dahmer's"
or a monument to child abuse - the Susie Smith Competition

The opportunities to exploit this approach are endless, depending on the
strength of your stomach.

Mark


From jwbauer@iastate.edu Sun Mar 26 11:43:18 EST 1995
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From: jwbauer@iastate.edu (Jeremy W Bauer)
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I've got a design project involving an outdoor theater.  I need any info
about projection and light issues that could affect the performance of
the movie projection.  Things like distance to the screen or whatever
issues become important in designing for outdoors.

This is a theater on top of a 6-story building with the screen being
about 50 yards away (also 6 stories up) on the other side of a small
parking lot.  It's set on the NE corner of Wilshire Blvd and Western Ave
in Los Angeles.  Strictly a school project just for design.

If you know anything or can recommend a good book or two, email me or
post it here.

Thanks for all your help!


--
Jeremy W Bauer
jwbauer@iastate.edu


From RZMU00A@prodigy.com Sun Mar 26 11:43:19 EST 1995
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TAKING A TRIP TO NORTHERN NEW MEXICO AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE INNOVATIVE NEW 
STUFF!!! WHATS GOING ON OUT THERE IN THE DESSERT. PLEASE ADVISE. 
DESPERATE IN NY. 
-
 CASEY  RZMU00A@prodigy.com




From jmartin@cam.org Sun Mar 26 11:43:21 EST 1995
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From: jmartin@cam.org (Jeff Martin)
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I'm hoping to get some opinions on the material of choice for waterproofing 
underground homes.  Cost is a consideration.  Any thoughts?

Thanks, Jeff


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Test trailer

Jim Hughes                     >>>>>>> Serious Buyer's Broker <<<<<<<
                                  >>>>>>>  Free Information Available
<<<<<<<          >>>>>>> Accredited Buyer's Representative (ABR), <<<<<<<
>>>>>>>   Certifed Buyer's Agent (CBA)   <<<<<<<
Owner Greenwell Realty,  Minneapolis/ St. Paul     (612) 785-0785     Fax
(612) 785-1167


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Ingore this message ,   test trailer

                                    >>>>>>> Serious Buyer's Broker <<<<<<<
Jim Hughes                 >>>>>>>  Free Information Available <<<<<<<  
President            >>>>>>> Accredited Buyer's Representative (ABR),
<<<<<<<
                                >>>>>>>   Certifed Buyer's Agent (CBA)  
<<<<<<<
Greenwell Realty,  Minneapolis / St. Paul   (612) 785-0785  Fax (612)
785-1167


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In article <D5KHJI.8JM@rockyd.rockefeller.edu> "John C. Robbins Ph.D." <robbinj@rockvax.rockefeller.edu> writes:
>From: "John C. Robbins Ph.D." <robbinj@rockvax.rockefeller.edu>
>Subject: Re: Net Architecture Resources
>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 04:23:41 GMT

>dsquirre@reed.edu (Douglas Squirrel) wrote:
>>
>> Hello, all.  I am trying to find Internet resources on architecture.  These
>> could be WWW sites, gopher, ftp, mailing lists, e-zines, etc.  If you have
>> any pointers to these, I would sure appreciate it!
>> 
>> --dsquirre@reed.edu


>I would also appreciate such a list of resources.

>robbinj@rockvax.rockefeller.edu

An attempt is being made, please forgive the lack of data (for now), but 
please check out the URL:

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        davemann@ionet.net         http://www.ionet.net/~davemann/davemann.html
      .i really must re-think this
          introspective thing.
             archiTecT_re
           cad mgr @ HTB Inc



From danford@acsu.buffalo.edu Sun Mar 26 11:43:30 EST 1995
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Anyone interested in either undergraduate or graduate architecture should 
check out the School of Architecture & Planning at the State University 
of New York at Buffalo on the web at:

  http://arch.buffalo.edu:8001/

Scott Danford
danford@romulus.arch.buffalo.edu


From jruppert@mail.envisionet.net Thu Apr 13 00:33:15 EDT 1995
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wwest3@aol.com (Wwest3) wrote:
>
> Does anyone have information on the use of steel for the construction of
> single-family type residential structures. I read an article somewhere a
> few years ago about a guy in California who built his house out of mostly
> scrap structural steel.I'm sure it's been tried before on a larger scale,
> and I'd be interested in the outcome. With lumber prices as high as they
> are, it's something worth considering.

It would be interesting to know how many lbs. of steel it would take
compared to wood.  Steel has approximately 8 times as much 
embodied energy than wood(by weight).  This means that 8 times less 
steel would need to be used, without the use of any wood, for framing. 
Steel does have a comparable price tag these days, but what is the 
whole life cost?  Where do our cheap energies and building materials
come from?

Just thoughts on an issue that is becoming more and more visible.


Jeff Ruppert
jruppert@envisionet.net


From zzyzx@nyc.pipeline.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:16 EDT 1995
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ANNOUNCEMENT  
  
Symposium: terms of engagement  
Pratt Institute School of Architecture  
NYC  
  
A panel discussion on the impact of digital information space on
architecture and related design fields.  An investigation of the present
state of emerging and developing technologies that are directly affecting
the defintion of architecture and the role of architects and designers.   
  
Additional info in this document:  List of Panelists, Schedule, Detailed
Description.  
  
for more information:  
email zzyzx@pipeline.com or jlv@pipeline.com or call 718.636.3405  
 
Peter Erni  John Veikos 
_____________________________________________________________________________  
List of Panelists:  
  
Alan Wexelblat - Researcher with the Autonomous Agents Group, MIT Media
Lab.  Current research involves the development of intelligent software
agents designed to aid people in the management of dense information
spaces.  
  
Jeet Singh - Founding partner of Art Technology Group, which creates
hardware and software for multifarious new media venues: museum
installations, the workplace, retail environments, CD-ROMS and on-line
services.  Recent projects include the development of the network groupware
for Chiat/Day Advertising.  
  
Marcos Novak - Director of the Advanced Design Research Program, School of
Architecture at the University of Texas at Austin.  Currently investigating
the architecture of virtual and intelligent environments - extreme
intermedia; employing algorithmic techniques to compose actual, virtual and
hybrid worlds.  
  
Heinrich Schnoedt - Architectural Theorist/Lecturer at the Virginia
Polytechnic Institute.  Pursues research on a number of issues concerning
Architecture’s dilemma with digital technology.  Current work is centered
around epistemological constructs in the education of architects, including
the influences of digital media.  
  
Alberto Pérez-Gómez - Saidye Rosner Bronfman Professor of the History of
Architecture, School of Architecture at McGill University.  The author of
several books including Architecture and the Crisis of Modern Science.
Current work addresses questions of architectural representation in
digitally mediated information spaces.   
_____________________________________________________________________________  
Schedule:  
  
Monday. April 24. 1995  
  
Afternoon Presentations  
  
3:00 pm	John Veikos and Peter Erni  -  Opening Introduction  
3:10	Alan Wexelblat  -  Current Work  
3:40	Jeet Singh  -  Current Work  
4:10	Break	  
4:30	Marcos Novak  -  Current Work  
5:00	Heinrich Schnoedt  -  Current Work  
5:30	Alberto Pérez-Gómez  -  Current Work  
6:00	End	  
6:05	Break and Video Snips	  
		  
Evening Panel Discussion  
		  
7:00	Dan Bucsescu  -  Opening Remarks  
7:05	John Veikos and Peter Erni  -  Opening Introduction  
7:10	Panel Discussion	  
8:30	End  
_____________________________________________________________________________  
Detailed Description:  
  
Are you speaking of Architecture or architecture?  In a world of
accelerating spatial complexity with respect to information, one is
increasingly more likely to come across the word architecture used in
reference to things not of capital *A* [A]rchitecture.  The evolution of
information [production/distribution] systems - digital technology being
the latest manifestation - embodies the desire to increase the intensity
and precision of the terms that describe the nature and scope of realness. 
 
  
*[A]rchitecture is a hard information system.*   
  
The task with which Architecture has been historically and still is charged
with, the research and development of form encompassing and defining
relevant cultural idioms [latencies], has not changed.  The potential of
reading history through Architecture with extreme power and depth expresses
the potency of this, the task of Architecture.  However, the familiar and
expected terms of engagement [methodologies] in the discourse of
Architecture in this moment are not capable of maximizing that potency
given the disjunction of those cultural latencies and existing
methodologies.  It is this present trajectory of Architectural discourse
within the larger context of a society at the end of a millennia
super-absorbed by its own technological fabulousness, that is the subject
of this symposium.  
  
As soft information delivery systems such as the Netscape WWW Browser and
the hardware they employ become inevitably more powerful, their authoring
languages more sophisticated, and their extension into the physical world
more pervasive and seductive, so will their spatial complexity develop to a
degree where the architecture of those environments will be essential to
their success.  These will be parameter based pro-active architectures;
highly customizable, extremely intimate, and very intelligent.  The nature
of occupiable space and meaningful place are becoming more complex and have
already moved into cyberspatial domains beyond the direct influence of
Architecture.  Within these socio-cultural cyberspatial places, such as
MUD’s, MOO’s, newsgroups, and web pages, the density and structure of
information, the information architecture, is what determines the quality
of experience and degree of usefulness.  And while the level of realness,
or sensorial saturation, in these spaces at the moment is limited to GUI
text driven interfaces, it is only a question of time before more spatially
complex, immersive, tactile interfaces are technically possible.   
-- 
F.C.O.O.C -sorting 


From toddhead@aol.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:17 EDT 1995
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4.5.95

Architectural position available

We are a small and growing architectural firm that does commercial and
institutional projects. We are committed to computer integration into all
aspects of our work. We are looking to fill positions in our CAD
production department. Candidates must be a self starter with
architectural and Cad background (Microstation & Mac Preferred).

Please send resume to:

Lundstrom & Associates
Att. Todd Purgason
2201 Martin St.
Suite 203
Irvine CA 92715

or fax to:

714.250.0207

or email to:

ToddHead@aol.com





From hermngermn@aol.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:18 EDT 1995
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Are you considering waterproofing new (exterior) or retrofit (interior)? 
Spray applied polyurethane foam with an appropriate vapor barrier might be
an alternative.  While not necessarily inexpensive, the added insulation
is almost always desirable....


From idgam@asuvm.inre.asu.edu Thu Apr 13 00:33:19 EDT 1995
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In article <5M+9ACB.jarvisd@delphi.com>, jarvisd <jarvisd@delphi.com> wrote:

> I am an interior/architectural photographer looking for unusual
> buildings to shoot for my portfolio (unusual meaning very unconventional
> geometry).
> I work in the NYC area. If anyone has suggestions, or a project of their
> own, please let me know.
> Thanks.

The New Law Library at Arizona State University.


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Have you considered aggregate-covered polyurethane foam?  This type of
roof offers excellent insulation value at low cost and is relatively easy
to apply.  E-mail me if you want further information....  


From bob_schulz@qm.calstate.edu Thu Apr 13 00:33:21 EDT 1995
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From: Bob Schulz <bob_schulz@qm.calstate.edu>
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Shahpour_Akhavi@brown.edu (Sasha Akhavi) wrote:
>
I don't think any new media is going to replace any older ones at all.
Just look at the culture you live in, radio didn't replace books, TV
didn't replace movies, the Internet hasn't replaced printed materials,
ironicaly print publishers are making a fortune printing paper telling
us all about the post paper medium.

In absolute AND per capita numbers, there are more books and magazines
produced than before electronic communications became mainstream.
Slides and models will merrily coexist with VR, digital media, and
whatever else comes along. As your question about stereo lithography
output pointed out, the new technologies will energize the old ones.
Does any publisher today operate without digital compositing and 
computer driven linotypes.

Look for what the new media can do that goes undone today. 

And one thing you can be sure of, Talent comes much more dearly than 
Technology. Intelligence and insights will be the basis of all kinds
of trades more than ever before. If anything, the people who hope to
make a living simply operating a widget maker either analogue or 
digital are going to have a much tougher road than the folks who 
decide if, how, and what kinds of widgets we make.

Good Luck

Bob


From daredos@aol.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:22 EDT 1995
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From: daredos@aol.com (Daredos)
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Subject: POLE STRUCTURES
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Hello,
i am designing a small structure on steep terrain in a forest, and would
like to explore using poles as the main structural element.  i am
considering telephone poles, concrete sono tubes, or steel tubes.  i am
most concerned with the connections of the horizontal and vertical
structure, and expressing them as much as possible.
Does anyone have suggestions of interesting systems or examples/precidents
they have seen that somewhat break the norm into the realm of the more
poetic?
Interested to know,
daren :)


From barkeat@aol.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:24 EDT 1995
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the slowness of the construction industry to change is one of the biggest
reasons pole and beam is not more popular...keep working on it.

barkeat


From jim@sufi.dgsys.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:25 EDT 1995
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In article <3lvs52$u4a@gort.oit.umass.edu>, <vkmF92@hamp.hampshire.edu> writes:
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> From: vkmF92@hamp.hampshire.edu (Say what?)
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In New Mexico contact
Jack McCaig
POB 1585
El Prado, NM  87529

He has built several "Earthships" and is planning another for construction this 
season.

Jim McCaig  

> 
> Roman K. Krobath (romank@krobath.interax.net) wrote:
> : I am looking into the topic of Earth Shelters for a friend of mine who is 
> : interested in building one.  I would like to know where I might be able to 
get 
> : more of this hard to find information?  Searching the net has led to not 
much 
> : success, and just last week I found this news group that had some.
> 
> : For any info please respond or E-Mail to    romank@krobath.interax.net
> : thanx Roman K.
> One project to look into if you're interested in that is Arcosanti in 
> Arizona...(why is this stuff always in Arizona???  Of course it's 
> sustainable there...but we can't all live in Arizona.)  Also, there is a 
> series of books called "Earthship"  I don't know where you would be able 
> to get them, but I have an address for them.
> Solar Survival Press
> Solar Survival Architecture
> P.O. Box 1041
> Taos, NM  87571
> EARTH
> (That last little bit actually came from them...)
> Hope this helps.
> 8)
> Vince
> 




From dbergert@aol.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:26 EDT 1995
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A good place to begin your search would be Robin Evans essay 
"Translations From Drawings to Buildings", in AA Files 12, Summer 1986. 
Also, I believe there is a book on de l'Orme by Anthony Blunt.
Good luck.
db


From scrinia@aol.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:27 EDT 1995
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From: scrinia@aol.com (SCRINIA)
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Subject: Re: Architecture and Feminism
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Your deadline was April 6 - I know this is a bit late, but you might
try...
  Jacqueline Rose's article "Sexuality & Vision: Some Questions" in Vision
and      Visuality (Bay Press)
  Briony Fer's article "What's in a Line?  Gender & Modernity" in The
Oxford      Art Journal (13 no. 1 (1990))
  Elizabeth Bronfen, Over Her Dead Body: Death, Femininity, and the
aesthetic      (New York, Routledge), 1992.
  Janet Beitzer, Ventriloquized Bodies; Narratives of Hysteria in
Nineteenth-Century France (Ithaca, Cornell University Press) 1994.

Most of this stuff is admittedly a bit tangential to the question of
architecture.  That is probably as it should be.  Architecture as a formal
discourse is always repressing something intresting. We wouldn't want it
spoon fed after all...
You might also try Lacan's "Feminine Sexuality" for a linguistic angle. 
Quite a bit of linguistic theory in architectural circles lately.
   -Fritz Johnsn


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I'm a timber framer from Pa and I've worked hemlock for frames and it is
one of my least favorite species, splinters when being worked, etc.
I would suggest you start with Jack Sobon's book "Build a Classic Timber
Frame House"  or "The Timber Frame Home" by Tedd Benson for more info. You
could also contact the Timber Framers Guild of NA at TFGONA@world.std.com
to get reference material and info on our upcoming annual conference (end
of may, Williamsburg,VA). I hope this helps.


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Check with a company in Newport Beach, CA called Haiku Houses who are
doing reproduction Jap. Houses this way. Tell them you interested in their
product, ask your questions and how they've addressed them and take it
from there. Also check out Jack Sobon's book "Build a Classic Timber Frame
House" for alot of good info.


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EPA doesn't design septic systems but you need to get as much info as
possible because the authorities you will have to deal with don't know
shit (sorry, but it's true for the most part). Start with 

We All Live Downstream by Pat Costner

Septic Tank Practices by Peter Warshall

The Toilet Papers by Sim Van der Ryn

Goodbye to the Flush Toilet ed. by Carol Hupping Stoner

That's enough to get you in deep. Good Luck


From peteld@aol.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:31 EDT 1995
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I was curious if there is a newsgroup that deals with or about the A.I.A?
I would appreciate any help you can either post here or send mail to 
PeteLD@aol.com


From mikerosen@aol.com Thu Apr 13 00:33:32 EDT 1995
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Tune to Fox Television's cable network "fX" on Tuesday morning April 11
from 6:30 am- 9:00 am to see how VR is being used by an architecture firm
for use in residential real estate.

The VR features will be shot live from the offices of Mike Rosen &
Associates- Architects in Philadelphia, PA.


From curlyindy@aol.com Sun May 14 13:56:12 EDT 1995
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I also did not see the original message but I would strongly advise a
co-op school.  Being an architect who went through a five year program at
Ball State University in Muncie Indiana, I have often stated that if I had
it to do over again, first, I wouldn't, second, I would have gone to a six
year co-op program such as is offered at Cincinnatti.  Cincinnatti's
program, at the time, required that a student go six months to school and
then six months on the job.  You can pay for your schooling and acquire 3
years of valuable experience by the time you graduate.  I have heard
rumors of graduate students being able to sit for the NCAARB exams and
become registered soon after they graduate.  Otherwise, a five year
program will net you a degree and 6 months of internship experience and
require you to have 2 1/2 years more IDP training.   The math is simple: 
six years vs. 7 1/2 ... if your lucky.  I am not certain how the IDP
program plays in to this issue.

Good luck , expect to work very hard, forget sleep. 
Design studios are a T R I P.


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You might also try affordable housing programs which, Indianapolis, are
repossed houses which are sold for $1 when you enter your name in a
lottery, are a first time house buyer, and agree to live in the house for
a certain period.



From curlyindy@aol.com Sun May 14 13:56:14 EDT 1995
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I am interested in using R-Control Panels (waferboard bonded to inner core
of polystyrene insulation) but a local builder is concerned about trapped
moisture. Has anyone experienced this problem with R-Control Panels
especially if the splines of the system are replaced with 2x lumber to
increase the bearing capacity above 2000 plf?


From saurs@aol.com Sun May 14 13:56:15 EDT 1995
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I would like to find Design Competitions.  Does anyone know if there is
publication solely for this purpose.


From will1000@ix.netcom.com Sun May 14 13:56:18 EDT 1995
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In <D8AA0I.nDB@caprica.com> tpereira@caprica.com (tpereira) writes: 

I'll take a stab at these;

>will a 1/2" water pvc pipe @1' ctc under tile/earth floor store
>enough heat from a solar heat panel ? 

You need to know;

    1.  How long is the pipe?
    2.  What is the R value of the pipe?
    3.  What is the temperature of the water entering the pipe (and        
    exiting)?
    4.  What is the temperature of the tile/earth floor?
    5.  What is the R value of the floor?
    6.  What does that heat exchange layout look like?
    7.  What is the volume and specific density of the floor material?

As you can see, this is not an easy question to answer.  As few of the
temperature values above are static, calculus should be used in order to
more properly model the energy system.  However, you will probably not need
to create a system with close energy storage tolerances, so some simple
equations might help (with the above information).

>what heat transfer equations should I use to calculate btu's ?

The simplest equation is 
                              delta T
                         Q =  -------
                                 R
where Q = Heat exchange rate,
      R = Insulation value
      T = Temperature (delta means "change" or "difference")

Take a look at some NREL fact sheets, for example;


http://nrelinfo.nrel.gov:70/0h/web_info/documents/erec_fact_sheets/2.ht
l

>are the thermal conductivity properties
>of pvc adequate, or is pvc too much of an insulator ?

I would say adequate, if you use enough length.  Use the information
above
to perform your calculations.  A good thermodynamics book will have the
R-value.  (I just don't have mine here at work)

>will pvc deteriorate/break/leak with age ?

What kind of liquid will you be using?  Check to see if it reacts with
PVC. Some PVC piping in my area is breaking down after 20 years of
exposure to highly chlorinated city water.

>will pvc outgass ?

Probably.  Use a air-to-air heat exchanger to bring in fresh air.


Do you plan to air condition your house?  Note that this system, if
used with cold water, can cause condensation on the floor if used in a
humid environment.

Hope this helps,

Will Stewart


From saturn@crash.cts.com Sun May 14 13:56:19 EDT 1995
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TomMcM (tommcm@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <3oam5r$db2@mack.rt66.com> Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
: writes:
: >The addition of fibers at 5-6% by weight can be substituted for
: >metal mesh. You may be able to find reprocessed polyester fibers
: >really cheap. Polyester fibers have been shown to work well...

: In my experience you need to have the mesh to make the shape and to hold
: the mortar in place. Fibers are really great though for making the "mud"
: stick where you want it and stay in place. 
: Tom McMillan    tommcm@aol.com
  
  I really love this newgroup....
Sure would like to build a residence using this sort of technology.



From joeldgray@aol.com Sun May 14 13:56:20 EDT 1995
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     It's my understanding that you can't be allergic to plastic.  I would
suggest you spec. all solid surface laminates on exposed work areas, (ie;
Formica, Wilsonart, Nevamar, etc...)  and and also use a Melamine surface
for the interior of the cabinets.  Melamine is just another form of
light-weight laminate that is applied at the factory.  It's not as durable
as the regular laminates, but it works great for cabinet interiors in a
clean environment.  I build custom cabinets, work stations and reception
desk, and one of our most exclusive clients is a nearby hospital.  They
love our product for just that reason, not to mention durability.  (The
medical field tends to beat things up quite a bit.)

Hope this helps!

Joel D. Gray
VP Architectural Specialties Inc.


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In article <3oam5r$db2@mack.rt66.com> Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
writes:
>The addition of fibers at 5-6% by weight can be substituted for
>metal mesh. You may be able to find reprocessed polyester fibers
>really cheap. Polyester fibers have been shown to work well...

In my experience you need to have the mesh to make the shape and to hold
the mortar in place. Fibers are really great though for making the "mud"
stick where you want it and stay in place. 
Tom McMillan    tommcm@aol.com


From pjacobs@island.amtsgi.bc.ca Sun May 14 13:56:22 EDT 1995
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From: pjacobs@island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Peter Jacobs)
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Tracy Pilcher (tpilcher@bbn.com) wrote:
: Hi,

: I am just in the dreaming stage of building my earthship.  I need to get
: more practical information and I would be very grateful for people's
: input on good books that I could read.

: I just discovered a couple of interesting magazines,
: HomePower and BackHome - are there any others that are good for a beginner?

: Thank you for your help!

: --
: Tracy Pilcher

Try "The Straw Bale House" by Steen, Steen, Bainbridge and Eisenberg.
Great book, just published by Chelsea Green Publishing Co.

Also, there is straw bale info on the World Wide Web at
http://solstice.crest.org/efficiency/straw_insulation/straw_in.html

Hope this helps!

.....................................
pjacobs @IslandNet.com (Peter Jacobs)
Victoria, BC, Canada.


From jstanley@gate.net Sun May 14 13:56:23 EDT 1995
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In article <3on001$6hd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
guy5923@aol.com (Guy5923) wrote:
> Well, boric acid is the standard treatment to cellulose insulation for the
> purposes stated as well as fire retardent, so it's seem like it would work
> for wood. Don't have it in front of me but the Green Builder Program
> Handbook, Austin, TX. mentions alternatives to creosote and pressure
> treating, something like boric acid treament.

Only problem is borax and boric acid are water soluble, so the
wood preserving effect will leach out over time if the wood is
used in a wet location. If used in a dry situation the
borax/boric acid _will_ keep termites at bay.

--
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net



From ucftmme@ucl.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:56:24 EDT 1995
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This is an offer for an architecture student or an architect
to work on the problem of adaptation in immigration for the next 
four weeks.
In this academic year I had a contact with a doctor from ucraine
who wants to immigrate to the U.K. and I tried to design a refugee
for him in London; following his ideas, wishes and dreams about
housing in a foreign country.
After having finished this project, there is now the idea of spaces
for temporary refugees distributed over the world. Some countries
could have an interest in providing architects with money to look
for empty additional space and finally designing refugees on them.
These spaces should deal with the present city and their inhabitants
because there is the belief that both the city and the immigrants
can learn from each other in a positive way so that it could process
the knowledge and the evolution of cultures.
The immigrant could sign a contract to live a certain amount of time
in these spaces. If after this time he does not want to leave the
country he should empty that space and look for a proper accomodation.
The space then has lost its task to help with the intregation from
one culture to another.
With the internet it could also be possible to advert these spaces
and a person could move from one place to another in a self-chosen
time.
The interesting thing would then be how a person changes these places,
how she/he adapts the interior/exterior to someones culture. To
guarantee this visual adaptation the possibility of change and
influence should be as big as possible.
The next person could overtake these changed rooms, respect and trans-
form them to a personal space which combines different cultures. How
an architecture could allow and encourage these changes, this is my
question where I need a partner from another culture to work on. The
other question could be how these spaces could have a visual impact
to the city following the sociological impact of foreigners.
A method of research could be to analyse a the transformation of flats
immigrants have rented and how these spaces have been redesigned to
allow cultural adaptation. Perhaps a photographic documentation would
be helpful.
Who wants to help me with this nationwide task? It would be best if I
find someone outside the U.K. who has interest in this project. I think
that another cultural backround could help to overthink this first
draft of the brief.

Hearing soon from you if possible
Yours sincerly
Martin Menacher 



From mtscherk@ping.at Sun May 14 13:56:25 EDT 1995
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Who can provide Information on alternative hvac-systems?

Any Tips welcome

(Wer hat Info zu "Luftbrunnen" und Flächenheizungen mit Zonenregelung?

Es handelt sich um spezielle Vorrichtungen zur Lüftung / Klimatisierung
von Räumen.

Jeder Hinweis ist willkommen!!)

Please email to mtscherk@ping.at
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mtscherk@ping.at




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tpereira (tpereira@caprica.com) wrote:
: will a 1/2" water pvc pipe @1' ctc under tile/earth floor store
: enough heat from a solar heat panel ? 

Don't use PVC.  The stuff designed as plumbing pipe is only good for
cold water.  Cross linked pvc (CPVC) is ok for hot water, but you have
to use cement, and joints -- not a good idea for something embedded in a
floor.

Polyurethane I think, or poly butadiene (spelling?) is the usual for
this application.

: what heat transfer equations should I use to calculate btu's ?

Grab the ASHRAE handbook at your public library.  Every possible
equation concerning heating and cooling, with lots of tables for those
who aren't good at calculus.

: are the thermal conductivity properties
: of pvc adequate, or is pvc too much of an insulator ?

They are adequate, if you have enough pipe in the floor.

: will pvc deteriorate/break/leak with age ?

Yes. PVC has solvents in it to keep it flexible.  One of the reasons
either of the above will be better.  Polyethelene may work too, but be
sure it's rated for the temperature you will have. (polye is basically a
giant wax molecule -- one of the least harmful plastics we make.)

: will pvc outgass ?

Yup. Go open a box of plastic sheet protectors and take a big sniff.

--
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From UnixGuru@ix.netcom.com Sun May 14 13:56:27 EDT 1995
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In <3oucha$ke4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> saurs@aol.com (Saurs) writes: 

>
>I would like to find Design Competitions.  Does anyone know if there is
>publication solely for this purpose.
>

PoMo Magazine is currently looking for designs to publish in its
upcoming issues. The only element of competition is that the design
must be approved for publication by at least three of our referees.

Our focus is on postmodernism. If you are interested in submitting
designs relevant to this subject, please let me know.

Patricia Andrews, Editor
PoMo Magazine


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Polyester has about 1/3 the strength of steel. Used at 5-6% by weight
it would not be as strong as steel used at 4-8% by volume. But it would
still be very strong. Fiberglas fibers can also be used, but it has to
be a special fiberglas fiber which is coated to resist the alkali of
cement.

Using fiber cements and forms which are later tilted into place like the
cladding panels now used in Europe and beginning to be used in the U.S.
it may be possible to build for much less than $5 per square foot.
My target is $1 per square foot using the material to make doors, door
frames, and window frames as well.

Using forms eliminates the tedium of tying all the mesh together
it also eliminates the need for rebar. Only if you are going to cover
with earth would such an extreme strength be needed. Even then, steel
fibers have been used in airport runways to reduce the thickness from
24 inches to 8 inches. Great toughness is developed using fibers.


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NRS

While you are building...



The national ruin foundation aims at the conservation of and the conversion into
the ruinous state of any building or other edifice created by mankind. Send contibutions,
ideas etc by exciting old fashioned mail to:

Karel Loeff
Monumentenzorg Utrecht
Driebergen
The Netherlands



From KLOCKLEY@news.delphi.com Sun May 14 13:56:30 EDT 1995
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From: KLOCKLEY@news.delphi.com (KLOCKLEY@DELPHI.COM)
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dwillard20@aol.com (Dwillard20) writes:

>What is this?  How can I get more info on it?  Thanks in advance....

Feng shui means 'wind water' in Chinese, and it's the ancient Chinese
art of placement & how to arrange things (houses, furniture, buildings,
it applies to any scale) for the optimal flow of the life force 'chi'.

Opinion:  as recently as three months ago I thought feng shui could
somehow be applied to urban planning, architectural and interior design
problems in the western world.  Was even considering keeping the feng
shui FAQ for alt.chinese.fengshui newsgroup, where you can find more 
information if you like.  But the study is so mystical (never get the same
answer twice) and splintered and un-westernizable that I'm ready to 
give it up as a fat load of claptrap.  Bah!  Humbug!  

My $.02.

Walt
klockley@delphi.com



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From: driedel@aloha.net (don riedel)
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jstanley@gate.net (John A. Stanley) wrote:

>In article <3on001$6hd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>guy5923@aol.com (Guy5923) wrote:
>> Well, boric acid is the standard treatment to cellulose insulation for the
>> purposes stated as well as fire retardent, so it's seem like it would work
>> for wood. Don't have it in front of me but the Green Builder Program
>> Handbook, Austin, TX. mentions alternatives to creosote and pressure
>> treating, something like boric acid treament.

>Only problem is borax and boric acid are water soluble, so the
>wood preserving effect will leach out over time if the wood is
>used in a wet location. If used in a dry situation the
>borax/boric acid _will_ keep termites at bay.

Recent research on treating bamboo would indicate soaking in a 2.5 %
solution of boric acid and borax (1:1.54 ratio) is effective for
termites and powder post beetles.  Dusting is also effective on the
surfaces reached, but leaves other parts vulnerable.  Boric acid is
also effective in controlling ants, cockroaches, silverfish,
palmettobugs, and their cousins.  The leaching of the agent when
exposed to water is a deterrent.  Has anyone tried treatment with
boric acid/borax and then sealing the material with some waterproofing

product?
email: driedel@aloha.net
snailmail: Box 247, Anahola, Hawaii 96703, USA
phone & fax: 808/822.3952



From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun May 14 13:56:32 EDT 1995
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Solar pool heating should be easy, since temperatures are low, it is usually
done only in mild weather, and there is a large inherent water heat battery.
The May/June issue of Solar Today has a primer on conventional solar pool
heating that says: "In many areas of the country, solar pool heating is the
most economically attractive solar technology available today."

But there is still room for improvement, especially for year-round heating.
Yesterday, a physics teacher told me about a remarkable house that was next
to a swimming pool, which was under a conventional greenhouse. In winter, the
engineer/owner pumped some of the swimming pool water into the house, to heat
the house. This was done years ago, in PA, and it's probably all gone now,
along with the engineer. I wonder how it worked. A water-source heat pump?

Here is one way to heat a pool:

1. Put a 16 x 32' piece of plastic on the ground, and lay some cement blocks
on top. Lay some plywood or steel greenhouse bench mesh on top of the cement
blocks. One could also support the plywood with 55 gallon drums full of water,
standing upright. 

2. Buy a 15 x 30' rectangular steel pool from J C Penny, for about $2000.
Or build one out of 2 x 6s on 4' centers, with ferrocement over 4' wide
chicken wire. Set this up on top of the hollow platform above.

3. Make a 15 x 30' rigid pool cover out of 2" of beadboard and 2 x 4s, with a
layer of Thermo-ply underneath, sprayed with clear urethane, shiny side down,
and another layer of Thermo-ply on top, shiny side up. This would be hinged
along the 32' north edge of the pool, with a few counterweights hanging over
the north edge.

4. Buy a 21' x 36' commercial plastic film greenhouse, for about $1000, from
Stuppy at (800) 877-5025 or E C Geiger at (800) 432-9434, and put it up over
the pool. Or build an A frame over the pool, with Dynaglas for the south side
and ferrocement over kerfed 16' 2 x 4s, every 4', for the curved north side.
Attach a garage door opener to the top, to lift up the pool cover to an angle
of about 45 degrees, when the sun is shining and the pool needs heat. 

5. Make a hollow bench along each 16' edge of the pool, to form an air
distribution plenum, for the space under the pool. At one endwall of the
greenhouse, make a 4 ft^2 vertical airshaft or duct from the peak of the
greenhouse to the middle of the bench. Fit a 2000 cfm exhaust fan (perhaps
solar powered) to the middle of the bench at the other end of the pool. 

In the Philadelphia area, in January, the average amount of sun that comes
into the greenhouse, Ein, is about 12' (height) x 36' x 1000 Btu/ft^2/day, ie
430K Btu/day, over about 6 hours. The average outdoor temperature in this area
in January is about 30F. Say the pool were kept at 80F, in January.

Then the amount of energy that leaves the pool each day, Eout, would be about

    6 hours x 15 x 30 (80-30)/R1 = 135K thru the top, when the sun is shining,
+  18 hours x 15 x 30 (80-30)/R12 = 34K thru the top, at other times,
+  24 hours x 360 ft^2 (80-30)/Rs = 430K/Rs, thru the sides.

So if Ein = Eout,  135K + 34K + 430K/Rs = 430K, so 430K/Rs = 261K, so the side
insulation would have to be at least Rs = 430K/261K, about R2, eg 1/2" of
white beadboard, glued to the sides of the pool.

If the 12,000 gallon pool were closed up, while the sun didn't shine for a few
days, it would initially lose heat at a rate of about 45K Btu/day through the
top, and 130K Btu/day through the R2 sides, so the water temperature in the
pool would initially decrease by about (45K + 130K)/(12,000 x 8lb/gallon) = 2
degrees F per day.

Possible enhancements include a solar pool cover to reduce evaporation losses
when the top is up, a white surface or a reflecting pond on the ground along
the south edge of the greenhouse, a layer of vertical glazing along the 30'
south side of the pool, tomato plants, an indoor herb garden, orange trees,
lights, fountains, insulation for the north greenhouse roof, and another layer
of glazing or UV-transparent Tedlar film for the south side, to allow tanning
in January. 

Nick

PS: This might also make a dandy sewage treatment system.



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From: KLOCKLEY@news.delphi.com (KLOCKLEY@DELPHI.COM)
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Jim Bennett <jbennett@onramp.net> writes:

>I was really wired to build myself a dome until I read "Refried Domes", as 
>mentioned on this newsgroup. What a bummer. This little manifesto peels away all the 
>glamour and basically says that domes ain't no good.

>Now, the author's experience was frequently in constructions where price was a 
>constraint and the workmanship of some of the people doing the building wasn't any 
>good, but some of the things he mentions would apply even with the finest 
>construction:

>1. Leaks (I think this applies to geodesics but not to monolithics)
>2. acoustics (he said that a 7 year old peeing downstairs sounds like Niagra Falls 
>upstairs)
>3. Difficulties meeting code (e.g. sewer vents must be X feet from the nearest 
>window)
>4. difficulties in insulating.

>So, before I give up and resign myself to living in my boring old ranch house, tell 
>me: anyone out there HAPPILY living in a dome?

-------------------------------
Jim, look over on newsgroup bit.listserv.geodesic and you'll find lots of 
people asking and answering the same questions.  I am helping rehab
Bucky Fuller's Carbondale dome, wrote a recent post on it.  For a
35-year-old plywood semi-experimental dome which has been unhappily
neglected for a long time, it's holding up extraordinarily well.  

I'm no mindless dome advocate but it's worth pointing out that 
conventional houses sometimes leak and have acoustic problems. . . 

Walt
klockley@delphi.com


From brucesilv@aol.com Sun May 14 13:56:34 EDT 1995
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From: brucesilv@aol.com (BruceSilv)
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Subject: Re: Design Competitions
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There is a publication called "Deadlines" that lists design competitions. 
It is a newsletter published in Massachusetts.  Unfortunately, I do not
have the address--I don't subscribe myself, but I have seen copies of it
within the last year.  Hope this is a start--you might call the Boston
Society of Architects;  I'll bet they know.  Good luck.
brucesilv


From beertender@aol.com Sun May 14 13:56:35 EDT 1995
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I must agree with curlyindy@aol.com.  Any school worth its weight will
integrate practical experience with the "schooling" which you can get.  

I graduated from Iowa State University's B.Arch program.  Typically in a
state run institution, you either will find the "unsuccessful local
architects trying to make an extra buck" instructors, or those
"Architects" who are either so burnt out or so unrealistic that they can't
find or support a job anywhere else in the marketplace.  The demise of
state and federal govenrment funding for large universities, and the
constraints caused by budgeting woes, has only hurt architecture schools. 
Most try to maximize the number of students qualified to enter the first
years so that they can justify the still inadequate level of spending the
governments bestow upon them.  

Best architectural education???  Get a degree in CAD drafting, find a job
for a year in architecture--make a decision to pursue architecture, and go
to school and blow away those stupid a$$ kissing Licensed "instructors."

Architectural education needs to be reformed.


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there is a new bbs called the phcc with e-mail and newsgroupes it is
free to use 703-273-6580


From rob-l@iris.superlink.net Sun May 14 13:56:39 EDT 1995
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I have heard of an organization called The Center for Resourceful 
Building Technology, that publishes a buyer's guide listing companies 
which sell recycled or otherwise interesting and unusual building materials.
 
How do I get a copy?  Are they on the net?



From chi2rod@aol.com Sun May 14 13:56:40 EDT 1995
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What is the point of your design attempt?  Ebenezar Howard already did the
same thing in his -Garden Cities of Tomorrow- back in 1898! Concentric
ring theory has been implemented and critiqued.
-jeff chiavetta
SCI-Arc grad student
        


From arkatekt@aol.com Sun May 14 13:56:41 EDT 1995
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I am in agreement with you.

>From  what I have seen and read about the ancient art, it would be like
playing with a Ouija board on an urban planning scale.  People can do
whatever they wish within their own spaces but dont subject the masses to
this witchcraft

My $0.01 if that

Joel D. SIlverwatch
JS Design


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In article <1995May9.152822.40188@ucl.ac.uk>, ucftmme@ucl.ac.uk (martin
menacher) wrote:

> This is an offer for an architecture student or an architect
> to work on the problem of adaptation in immigration for the next 
> four weeks.
> In this academic year I had a contact with a doctor from ucraine
> who wants to immigrate to the U.K. and I tried to design a refugee
> for him in London; following his ideas, wishes and dreams about
> housing in a foreign country.
> After having finished this project, there is now the idea of spaces
> for temporary refugees distributed over the world. Some countries
> could have an interest in providing architects with money to look
> for empty additional space and finally designing refugees on them.
> These spaces should deal with the present city and their inhabitants
> because there is the belief that both the city and the immigrants
> can learn from each other in a positive way so that it could process
> the knowledge and the evolution of cultures.
> The immigrant could sign a contract to live a certain amount of time
> in these spaces. If after this time he does not want to leave the
> country he should empty that space and look for a proper accomodation.
> The space then has lost its task to help with the intregation from
> one culture to another.
> With the internet it could also be possible to advert these spaces
> and a person could move from one place to another in a self-chosen
> time.
> The interesting thing would then be how a person changes these places,
> how she/he adapts the interior/exterior to someones culture. To
> guarantee this visual adaptation the possibility of change and
> influence should be as big as possible.
> The next person could overtake these changed rooms, respect and trans-
> form them to a personal space which combines different cultures. How
> an architecture could allow and encourage these changes, this is my
> question where I need a partner from another culture to work on. The
> other question could be how these spaces could have a visual impact
> to the city following the sociological impact of foreigners.
> A method of research could be to analyse a the transformation of flats
> immigrants have rented and how these spaces have been redesigned to
> allow cultural adaptation. Perhaps a photographic documentation would
> be helpful.
> Who wants to help me with this nationwide task? It would be best if I
> find someone outside the U.K. who has interest in this project. I think
> that another cultural backround could help to overthink this first
> draft of the brief.
> 
> Hearing soon from you if possible
> Yours sincerly
> Martin Menacher 

Martin Menacher
  I am an architect student at the University of Notre Dame, Indiana, USA,
but I am from Chile. I have some experience working with immigrant in
Italy and I find your idea super.
 My email: Nahuel.Quiroga.1@nd.edu

Nahuel Quiroga


From olson@u.washington.edu Sun May 14 13:56:43 EDT 1995
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From: Jeffrey Olson <olson@u.washington.edu>
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This is such arrogance--because you don't understand something you 
relegate it to "witchcraft." Fengshui accomplishes two very important 
elements that we could benefit from: fengshui directs city planning from 
macro perspectives with a much greater awareness of the importance of 
strategic long-range planning than we ususally are able or willing to 
consider. And, fengshui gives a city's citizenry the power to effect their 
enrironment in a way that respects their own priorities and identities. 
Fengshui is one of the most effective design review processes in the 
world. Think of fengshui as a building/development standard. It ensures 
that persons of wealth and power repect the entire community and the 
overall environment. But, also understand that fengshui is practiced in 
many different ways by persons of varying abilities. As a result more than 
one solution can be offered--at times apparently contradictory solutions. But,
isn't this what design is all about, exploring and refining solutions? If you
want to be a hegemonic developer or an oppressive government, you will 
probably find little appealing in fengshui. But, if you are a member of a 
community interested in the macro and micro effects that the built 
environment has on your life, you will likely find that fengshui is a 
powerful ally.

Jeff Olson
Anthropologist and Urban Designer

On 13 May 1995, Arkatekt wrote:

> I am in agreement with you.
> 
> From what I have seen and read about the ancient art, it would be like
> playing with a Ouija board on an urban planning scale.  People can do
> whatever they wish within their own spaces but dont subject the masses to
> this witchcraft
> 
> My $0.01 if that
> 
> Joel D. SIlverwatch
> JS Design
> 
> 


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Phoebe:

"Architecture is Man's Will to Power by means of form, " wrote Fredrich
Neitzsche, and perhaps he was correct, and architecture is a set of
idiosyncratic principles we, as artists, each develop, growing from
within, and thus, as honest as we ourselves are honest.


From richard@rt66.com Sun May 14 13:56:45 EDT 1995
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tommcm@aol.com (TomMcM) wrote:
>
> In article <3oam5r$db2@mack.rt66.com> Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
> writes:
> >The addition of fibers at 5-6% by weight can be substituted for
> >metal mesh. You may be able to find reprocessed polyester fibers
> >really cheap. Polyester fibers have been shown to work well...
> 
> In my experience you need to have the mesh to make the shape and to hold
> the mortar in place. Fibers are really great though for making the "mud"
> stick where you want it and stay in place. 
> Tom McMillan    tommcm@aol.com

You need mesh and rebar unless you make forms to cast the panels.
These can become cladding panels or structural. In Germany a large
pavillion was constructed over 100 feet in diameter only 10 mm thick!
This was using fiberglas fibers which has been accepted in Europe and is
just finding a home here in the U.S.

The best source of information is the engineering technical literature.
There is a special interest group on fiber cement and even ASTM standards
for strength, etc. Much of the research has been in response to the
ban on asbestos. Replacement fibers are needed, especially those which
are not as brittle as asbestos.

In my research, polyester fits the bill. Especially because so much
is recycled. It has good characteristics. Be aware that much of the
technical literature parroted old misinformation from the past.

Even burlap and other natural fibers have been used such as jute, sisal
and hemp. All work well but lack durability. With lower strength fibers
more must be used.

Be aware that you cannot mix 5-6% fibers by weight into a wet mix.
Or even dry mix for that matter. They will ball and make an unworkable
mix, you must be apply as the fibers as the material is applied.

The best way to do that is to spray the mix (gunnite essentially) while
spraying fibers (with fiberglas they use a chopper gun).
Latex is good to apply to the fibers to improve bonding.




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tommcm@aol.com (TomMcM) wrote:
>
> In article <3oam5r$db2@mack.rt66.com> Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
> writes:
> >The addition of fibers at 5-6% by weight can be substituted for
> >metal mesh. You may be able to find reprocessed polyester fibers
> >really cheap. Polyester fibers have been shown to work well...
> 
> In my experience you need to have the mesh to make the shape and to hold
> the mortar in place. Fibers are really great though for making the "mud"
> stick where you want it and stay in place. 
> Tom McMillan    tommcm@aol.com

You need mesh and rebar unless you make forms to cast the panels.
These can become cladding panels or structural. In Germany a large
pavillion was constructed over 100 feet in diameter only 10 mm thick!
This was using fiberglas fibers which has been accepted in Europe and is
just finding a home here in the U.S.

The best source of information is the engineering technical literature.
There is a special interest group on fiber cement and even ASTM standards
for strength, etc. Much of the research has been in response to the
ban on asbestos. Replacement fibers are needed, especially those which
are not as brittle as asbestos.

In my research, polyester fits the bill. Especially because so much
is recycled. It has good characteristics. Be aware that much of the
technical literature parroted old misinformation from the past.

Even burlap and other natural fibers have been used such as jute, sisal
and hemp. All work well but lack durability. With lower strength fibers
more must be used.

Be aware that you cannot mix 5-6% fibers by weight into a wet mix.
Or even dry mix for that matter. They will ball and make an unworkable
mix, you must be apply as the fibers as the material is applied.

The best way to do that is to spray the mix (gunnite essentially) while
spraying fibers (with fiberglas they use a chopper gun).
Latex is good to apply to the fibers to improve bonding.




From roberts@globalcom.net Sun May 14 13:56:46 EDT 1995
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I have just completed development of a Windows (tm) version of BuilderGuide a passive
solar energy analysis tool.  It will give you yearly heating and cooling predictions.
As well as comparison to Model Energy Code "standard design" requirements.

The program uses the methods first developed by Balcomb etc. at Los Alamos - published as
the Passive Solar Design Handbook vols 1, 2 and 3.  subsequently published by ASHRAE as 
the Passive Solar Heating Analysis.

I am completing a demo version contact me if you would like more information.

Regards,

Fred  


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Didn't anyone think of Harvard.  I know of many people who are currently
going there for their PHD in Architecture.  They ascribe to become the
leading proponants of Paper Architecture.

MTE /co
Sphinx51


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The best advice I could give to anyone entering the profession is work in
construction, getting  practical training, THEN enter a school that
emphisizes theory after which the person can blend the two. That's the
hard part.
Allen


From olson@u.washington.edu Mon May 15 23:14:23 EDT 1995
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On Sun, 14 May 1995, Robert W. Tom wrote:
<What's spooky though, is that some poor souls have to spend a portion
of their lives in spaces that they create.> 

Mr. Tom:

I'm not sure I understand you completely here. Do you really want to 
suggest that it is possible for humans to live without design? It is, 
after all, one of our most important and defining features: we alter 
our environments. Activities like fengshui and other forms of urban design are 
simply more mature versions of this human prediliction. I think it is 
also important to remember that design is going to occur whether or not 
it is a conscious act. In the same way fengshui constantly occurs; the 
intent of "practicing" fengshui or most other forms of design is to make 
conscious our relationships among ourselves and our (built) environment.

Jeff Olson
Anthropologist and Urban Designer


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Pilchuck Glass School is presenting a symposium on Glass and its creative 
and expressive use in architecture in a one day program on August 23, 1995.

Write or e-mail for more information.

Marjorie Levy
Pilchuck Glass School
1201 316th Street
Stanwood, WA 98292

360 445 3111
360 445 5515 fax

mlevy@interserve.com


From amt@teleport.com Mon May 15 23:14:25 EDT 1995
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Here is an upcoming workshop/intensive for those interested in
Permaculutre.  It will be held on the Navajo/Hopi Reservation and is a
project of Indigenous People living on Reservation lands.   For more info
on this project and other issues concerning the environment and Indigenous
Peoples - check out URL http://www.teleport.com/~amt/PlanetPeace

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      Black Mesa Permaculture Project
     4th Annual Dryland Permaculture Intensive Design Course on the
     Navajo/Hopi Reservation, May 27 - June 4
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Permaculture, or permanent (agri)culture, means working with natural forces
- wind, sun, and water - to provide food, shelter, water and other needs
with minimum labor and without depleting the land. Permaculture is a
holistic approach based on traditional agricultural practices.

The Black Mesa Permaculture Project is a project of Indigenous People living
on Reservation lands on Black Mesa in the Four Corners area of the
Southwest with assistance of concerned support groups and persons.
Permaculture techniques allow people to diversify and increase flora
production, to restore eroded lands, and to make more efficient use of
resources. We feel that this project will help us and other Native Americans
integrate self-reliance and cultural values.

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                     4th Annual Intensive Design Course

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Instructors

The course will have three instructors, two of which are local Native
Americans. Justin Willy and George Crittenden have both taken certified
permaculture courses and are currently enrolled in an ecoforestry program.
George has several years previous experience in fire suppression and
reforestation while Justin has taught hands-on classes and consulted on
permaculture projects in the Black Mesa for five years. Both are working on
projects in their local areas and have been doing consulting work and giving
presentations to schools and local groups on the Black Mesa for nearly three
years in an attempt to expand the role of permaculture in healing the land.

Dan Dorsey, the primary instructor for the first three workshops has a
degree in forestry and has studied regenerative systems for over ten years.
In addition to residential landscapes, he has designed sustainable projects
for Tucson City Parks and Recreation, the Tucson Community Food Bank, and
the Tohono O'Odham Indian Nation. A well-known speaker in the Tucson area,
Dan emphasizes strategies for water harvesting, re-vegetation of damaged
areas, and integrating people with a sustainable environment.

This complete course will provide you with a permaculture design
certificate. Workshop fees promote scholarships for indigenous people.
Bring: camping gear, food, rain gear, notebooks, and work gloves.

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Objectives

  1. Conduct surveys of site-specific soil, water, water-shed conditions,
     locally occurring native plant species, to provide a base of
     information for planning permaculture systems.
  2. Continue presentation of annual, comprehensive, hands-on permaculture
     courses on reservations which are open to the public and free to Native
     Americans.
  3. Set up a tree grow out program for planting in spring and fall.
  4. Design and construct with each family appropriate runoff water
     diversion and collection structures, and /or spring developments, to
     enable the family to make optimal use of available water resources.
  5. Work with each family, level bordered or terraced fields, and organic
     or garden plots in which collected runoff waters will be used for
     irrigation.
  6. Work to build solid fertility in their permaculture plots with locally
     available organic materials.
  7. Select and plant an appropriate mix of perennial trees, shrubs,
     grasses, and herbs with food or medicinal value.
  8. Plan and construct additional soil and water conservation and
     permaculture structures, including runoff plots for annual plantings,
     greenhouses to extend the growing season, and erosion control
     structures.
  9. Collect and ensure the survival and availability of traditional
     varieties of seeds and cultivators.
 10. The use of appropriate technology training will build all the needed
     skills and capacities in permaculture system design and construction so
     that the instructors and consultants will be primarily Native American.

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Registration

To register, send your name, address, and phone number along with $250.00 or
non refundable $50.00 deposit to: Black Mesa Permaculture Project, PO Box
26195, Tucson, AZ 85796. Make cheques payable to Black Mesa Permaculture
Project.

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From eddie@u.washington.edu Mon May 15 23:14:26 EDT 1995
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Help.  I need to build a backyard fence for a 1926 mission style house.  
I have limited funds and high aspirations. Style is important.  I have 
been to the library and to one of the most expansive book stores in 
Seattle but to no avail.  Where o' where does one find information on 
fence design?

Christine in Seattle

PS the fence needs to block view of neighbors driveway and garage, so 
about 6' tall


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Dear Jim,

what do you mean by polystyreen forms with concrete. Do you mean glueing it to 
concrete or do you mean making a cast of ps and than cast teh concrete in 
situ?

In The Netherlands almost all builings are constructed with brickwork walls 
aor concrete walls and floors and we have no significant problems doing this. 
Of course you're right if you say concrete is better for heat accumilation 
etc. 
If you can be more specific maybe we can help you solving your problem.


Greetings
Ard Buijsen
E-mail address: eea@luna.nl
mail address:
Calandstraat 23
3016 CA Rotterdam
The Netherlands
tel: + 31 10 4 36 96 86
fax: + 31 10 4 36 95 73


From corradop@is2.nyu.edu Sun May 28 17:09:11 EDT 1995
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     I remember reading about the benefits of underground housing several
years ago.  Is it still considered a viable means of housing?  Is it true
it is cheaper than above-ground?  What are the disadvantages? I know it
is friendlier to the environment because you are not occupying above-ground
space which could be used for greenery.

     Any responses appreciated!!
    


From claytonb@oregon.uoregon.edu Sun May 28 17:09:12 EDT 1995
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From: claytonb@oregon.uoregon.edu (CB)
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Subject: Re: Concrete or Steel?  Advice needed!
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The foam building blocks concept has at least two defects:

1) they are usually quite expensive compared to formwork rental;

2) they obviate the potentially beneficial thermal mass of concrete.


From kettler@HDSVX7.SUGAR-LAND.WIRELINE.SLB.COM Sun May 28 17:09:13 EDT 1995
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Date: 24 May 1995 12:51:37 GMT
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jim logios ask a question the other day about polysteel forms and

concrete .

were building one of these homes in the spring of next year.

give them a call there very help full.

			Amhome USA inc.
			p.o. box 1492
			land o' lakes,fl 34639

			tel 813-996-4660

			fax 813-996-5452


From claytonb@oregon.uoregon.edu Sun May 28 17:09:14 EDT 1995
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From: claytonb@oregon.uoregon.edu (CB)
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Subject: Re: Floor Radiant Heat
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Everything about floor heating sounds fanatastic. Aside from possible 
maintenance difficulties, the logic of the system is flawless.

So why am I worried that people don't like their feet being warmer than 
their heads?


From shbarch@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:16 EDT 1995
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From: shbarch@aol.com (SHBArch)
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Subject: Building Codes
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Do any architectural firms have a good working method for educating
employees in the use of building codes in a comprehensive way.  Most
states in our area are BOCA / CABO.  Even BOCA seems to have little in the
way of education, providing mostly testing.

Curious how others have dealt with this


From guy5923@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:17 EDT 1995
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From: guy5923@aol.com (Guy5923)
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Subject: Re: low voc paint information
Date: 25 May 1995 02:05:08 -0400
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Company called Sinan Co.
P.O. Box 857
Davis, CA. 95617-0857
916-753-3104
distributes AURO products, all kinds of organic paint, varnish, sealer
etc.
I have seen this product line mentioned in many environmental materials
guides.It is definitely more expensive


From guy5923@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:19 EDT 1995
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From: guy5923@aol.com (Guy5923)
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Subject: Re: Towards A New Information Systems Architecture
Date: 25 May 1995 02:05:52 -0400
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It takes energy to get energy and information and information technology
are the highest forms of energy, so how sustainable would a cyber world be
?


From shbarch@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:20 EDT 1995
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From: shbarch@aol.com (SHBArch)
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Subject: Re: Floor Radiant Heat
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We have installed 3 residential additions with radiant slabs.  A couple of
observations.  Layout of piping is not regular.  Many mfgr's will design
it for you and it must be followed scrupulously (tighter spacing of piping
at doors, windows, ext. walls).  

One mfgr suggested the use of a hot water heater as a small separate
boiler.  We did - very inefficient/expensive operating costs.  

The wirsbo system has a manifold which allows use of an existing hydronic
boiler (+/- 190 degreeF water) as the source of tempered water for radiant
floors (max 140 degreeF).


From kekeck@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:21 EDT 1995
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From: kekeck@aol.com (KEKeck)
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In response to sutter's response:

HEAR. HEAR - yours is the most intelligent comment I have read about
arch'l edu. so far!

-KK


From kekeck@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:22 EDT 1995
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From: kekeck@aol.com (KEKeck)
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hey hey! Saw that Tulane name, and had to respond. Is this Leigh or Leiann
E.?
I guess I graduated 1 year and 4 days ago, huh?

My advice - go with your heart! Don't get locked into one thing.
Experiment, you'll know where to go.

-KK


From guy5923@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:23 EDT 1995
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From: guy5923@aol.com (Guy5923)
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Subject: Building Green
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I am looking for examples of "green" building specifications similar to
the CSI format that uses different categories for the elements of the
building but rewrites them to fit environmental standards. Any good
example such as a building that has been built that fits the "green" label
or a local code would be greatly appreciated. I am in Florida at the
University of Florida, so anything in this region would be the best.
Bradley Guy
Guy5923@ aol.com


From rasnow@cco.caltech.edu Sun May 28 17:09:23 EDT 1995
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From: rasnow@cco.caltech.edu (Brian Rasnow)
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> what do you mean by polystyreen forms with concrete. Do you mean glueing it to
> concrete or do you mean making a cast of ps and than cast teh concrete in

A materal called Rastra is available which is panels of concrete and chopped-up
polystyrene. A couple of plants make it in So. California (I think under
a Swiss liscence). The panels have semi-smooth exterior faces and large voids
in the interior. On site, rebar, plumbing, etc. are put in the voids, which
are then filled with liquid concrete. The stuff is fire proof, insulating
(around R3.4/inch), and very easy to work with. It cuts with a chain saw,
a couple of guys can handle the panels and "frame" a house, and because
the exerior surface is rough, its easy to adhere final stucco and finishes.
Cost is comparable to conventional wood framing, and it is being used in
some low-cost housing projects. I can try to dig up additional info on 
sources of Rastra if there is interest.

Brian (rasnow@caltech.edu)


From blefler@magicnet.net Sun May 28 17:09:24 EDT 1995
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dawei@unix.infoserve.net wrote:

>Hi ! Does anyone know anything about "smart home" features ? Ie : computer
>aided homes, homes of the future.  Please reply.

>David

 Check out comp.home.automation


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= (407) 383-9925                                                     =
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From heislord@onyx.southwind.net Sun May 28 17:09:26 EDT 1995
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     ARCHITECT NEEDED for medium sized Kansas Architectural firm.  Three
     years minimum experience in institutional design needed.  License
     not required.  CAD experience preferable.  Send resume and work
     history to TECFAC@AOL.COM.
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From bml@teleport.com Sun May 28 17:09:27 EDT 1995
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Advanced Architectural Computer 3D graphics using Autodesk products
 -WHAT’S WORKING BEST out there?AutoCAD is great for Architectural modeling 
because of its accuracy and tie-in with other products  (However, I am 
disappointed with r13 3D).  I am about to test AutoVision 2 with AutoCAD 
13 (and 12) and 3D Studio 4.  I will post or e-mail my findings if there’s 
interest. I have several questions I will be trying to answer for myself 
listed below. If any of you have any experience or comments, please post or 
e-mail me at: bml@teleport.com

1) Straight AutoCAD shading and rendering. Options for getting it exported 
into .TIF or other graphic formats? The output options with AutoCAD alone seem 
very sparse. Aside from Postscript Out, what other options are there? Is there 
a program that converts .SLD files into .TIF files?

2) What are the incompatibilities between AutoVision 2 and 3D Studio 4? Are 
materials and mapping compatible? identical? Do cameras and lighting 
carry-over?

3) Now that AutoCAD can save a model directly in 3DS format (bypassing DXF), 
how much passing back and forth can be done between AutoCAD and 3DS? What are 
some pitfalls? Is it better to stay with DXF rather than using AutoCAD’s 
attempt at 3DS format?

4) What are some great shortcuts, tips, and tricks to make Architectural 
Modeling, Rendering, and Animation with Autodesk products go quicker and turn 
out slicker? I find myself competing with other 3D systems, such as IBM’s AES 
system which seems a lot faster in modeling and basic rendering!

Thanks very much for any input or feedback.

-Martin
bml@teleport.com






From tpereira@caprica.com Sun May 28 17:09:28 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Sewerage Vs Composting Toilet
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>I don't want to argue against composting toilets, but water usage should
>not be the big issue.  I flush the toilet at home on average less than
>once a day and therefore the water usage is small compared to showering.

on a family of four, toilet water usage is around 40%, by far the biggest
but that's not all...
once water enters in contact with human feces, it becomes inexorably
contaminated and *extremely* dangerous
this is due to viruses always present on even healthy persons,
the strongest argument to eliminate the water toilet

>Our water supply is from rain water tanks, which have kept us supplied 
ever
>since we moved in 10 years ago.  We have not had to cart in water at all,
>although we came within a day of it last year during the drought (also
>living in Brisbane, on the outskirts).  My (part) solution to the water
>problem is for everyone to have tanks.
>

could you discuss the details of your rain water system and tank
construction?

>Tony Watts
>amw@maths.uq.oz.au



From tpereira@caprica.com Sun May 28 17:09:29 EDT 1995
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From: tpereira@caprica.com (Tony)
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>Does anyone have information on interior house paint which is low in 
vocs? 
>Is Glidden 2000 series, which i recently heard was voc free, truly lower
>than other paints(specifically in off-white), or are there standards
>governing voc levels in paints now?  Any references available with more
>information?  

carver has started a line of voc's
however, i would recommend afm, riverside,ca @909.781.6860




From quix@igwe.vub.ac.be Sun May 28 17:09:30 EDT 1995
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between young artists, established artists, and the public,
thus cutting across all disciplines and generations. This 
month they presents the results of a year long project
about urbanism and decay.
Large parts of this programme, inclusive research results,
photographs by Camilo Vergara, text by Robert Bishop, ... can
now also be accessed in English on the World Wide Web at the
URL http://www.innet.net/brussels-arts/OpenWeb/
where a pointer to the English version is available.

Greetz, and enjoy the O p e n W e b

Stefaan Quix,
Webmaster Beursschouwburg
beurs@innet.net
quix@igwe1.vub.ac.be


From claytonb@oregon.uoregon.edu Sun May 28 17:09:31 EDT 1995
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It ain't in Florida, but look for _The_Waterloo_Green_Home_. Its about a 
Canadian house built to that country's demanding R2000 specifications.


From rberney@u.washington.edu Sun May 28 17:09:32 EDT 1995
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From: Rachel Berney <rberney@u.washington.edu>
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Hi.  I was wondering if anyone had an opinion as to whether the use of 
computer-generated renderings, animations, etc.  expose a designer to 
greater risk of liability.  For example, if you walk a client through a 
design via animation which produces a certain experience, are you 
responsible for replicating that exact experience in the final built 
design. I'm collecting information for a law paper.

If you care to respond, my name is Rachel Berney, my address is 
rberney@u.washington.edu 


From MadSteve+@CMU.EDU Sun May 28 17:09:33 EDT 1995
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try the Carnegie Mellon architecture page..

http://www.arc.cmu.edu




From will1000@ix.netcom.com Sun May 28 17:09:34 EDT 1995
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In <bml.41.000D6308@teleport.com> bml@teleport.com (M Stewart) writes: 
>
>Advanced Architectural Computer 3D graphics using Autodesk products
> -WHAT’S WORKING BEST out there?AutoCAD is great for Architectural modeling 
>because of its accuracy and tie-in with other products  (However, I am 
>disappointed with r13 3D).  I am about to test AutoVision 2 with AutoCAD 
>13 (and 12) and 3D Studio 4.  I will post or e-mail my findings if there’s 
>interest. 

I'm interested, thanks for offering.

Regards, 

Will Stewart


From guy5923@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:35 EDT 1995
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There is a pretty good list of both gopher and www architecture sites in
US and international at URL
gopher://una.hh.lib.umich.edu/70/00inetdirsstacks/archi:brown
Address
gopher una.hh.lib.umich.edu/inetdirsstacks/Architecture

This list was compiled by Jeanne M. Brown at UNLV
jeanneb@nevada.edu. If I got the addresses wrong ask her.


From lustron918@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:36 EDT 1995
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From: lustron918@aol.com (Lustron918)
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I'm looking for Lustron Home owners.  Are you one?  Do you know one?  Let
me know.  Thanks.  Charles


From timtulloch@delphi.com Sun May 28 17:09:36 EDT 1995
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If you have ever earned over $250,000 in one year, I would like to
hear from you!
 
I am currently writing a book and creating a World Wide Web site
entitled "Breaking the $50K barrier -- How People Have Earned
$250,000 or More in One Year". The aim is to: 1) to let many
people benefit from your experience, 2) illustrate, through example,
the fact that people from MANY different professions can achieve
massive success.
 
Please e-mail me at tullochtim@aol.com or timtulloch@delphi.com and let's talk!
Thanks, --Tim
 


From arkatekt@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:37 EDT 1995
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I graduated in 1991 from a College in Boston with an architecture degree.

I have  a question for you related to architecture in Berlin.

Have you ever heard of an architect in Berlin named Rolf Bachmann.  We
studied with him inVenice, Italy and he is a friend of one of my former
professors.

I just wanted to know if his work has had any influence in Berlin or the
surrounding areas.

He seemed to be a very knowlegdable and insightful architect and person

If you also want to discuss general architecture I'd love to do that also.

Joel D. SIlverwatch
JS Design
Salem, New Hampshire, USA


From lmacken@symantec.com Sun May 28 17:09:38 EDT 1995
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In article <3pbjj7$5gu@news.onramp.net>
jbennett@onramp.net (Jim Bennett) writes:

> lmacken@symantec.com (Lewis Macken) wrote:
> 
> >The acoustics are good; but sounds aren't amplified, they are uniform...

> Do you find that normal level conversation generates a lot of echo? I find that very 
> live rooms (e.g. rooms with hardwood floors and cathedral ceilings) generate a cold 
> sparse feeling for me. Would you say your dome has a "warm" feeling? I know that is 
> very subjective but it would be an important consideration for me.

Thanks for asking.  Echoes are caused by irregular return paths, which
you get with large flat areas at some angle to each other.  So, no, the
sounds don't echo.

The dome I live in is attached to a conventional house via a connecting
kitchen, and with the doors open, it acts like a sinus cavity and
improves the acoustics in the rest of the house, IMHO.  Admittedly this
is, as you say, very subjective.

Here's a testimonial of sorts.  In Robert W. Marks book, the Dymaxion
World of Buckminster Fuller, there is a picture of R. B. Fuller and
Marion Anderson, a well-known singer of the time, in his 1947 Dymaxion
house.  According to the caption, she declared the acoustics to be
"perfect".

Lewis Macken


From ddarreld@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:39 EDT 1995
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From: ddarreld@aol.com (DDarrelD)
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With a non-profit call Architects/ Designers/ Planners for Social
Responsibility, I'm working on a resource guide to building materials that
are considered better than others based on resource use, toxicity,
pollution,
local production ... We're aiming generally for the West Coast, but
include much that is nationall.  One of the major conclusions we've come
to is that petroleum-based materials are a very bad habit that we
need to break.  We've also just received a substantial grant to allow us
to focus on recycled materials.

Our guide now has over 600 listings, as well as information sheets on
specific areas (like paint, roofing, wood, concrete...)
 
We're trying to get the information out & to get feedback especially. 
Currently we're asking $10 for the paper version and $5 for the diskette
(filemakerPro & word for windows format)

Darrel DeBoer
Architects/ Designers/ Planners for Social Responsibility
PO Box 9126
Berkeley CA  94709-0126
510-273-2428


From will1000@ix.netcom.com Sun May 28 17:09:40 EDT 1995
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In <3q16o0$sk0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> guy5923@aol.com (Guy5923) writes:

>
>It takes energy to get energy and information and information
technology
>are the highest forms of energy, so how sustainable would a cyber
world be
>?

The question is almost certainly a joke, but let's take a look at it.

"It takes energy to get energy"

If you are laying in a field, warmed by the sun, what energy is being
expended and by whom to warm you?

"Information and information technology are the highest forms of
energy"

This is presented without support, and as it is not a well-accepted
axiom, is meaningless.  The physics definition of energy concerns
itself with how the energy source can perform mechanical work.  The
above claim does not fall within this realm.

If this is a rhetorical joke, thanks for the mental exercise  :)

If it is a psuedo-serious question, perhaps a rephrasing is in order.

Regards,

Will Stewart


From ddarreld@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:41 EDT 1995
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From: ddarreld@aol.com (DDarrelD)
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Bamboo is now being made into flooring.  Pretty interesting stuff, made in
China, but one can only hope we'll find someone in the US to do it.

dist. by: Smith & Fong 415-285-8230


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Cerro Gordo is next to Cottage Grove


From ddarreld@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:43 EDT 1995
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A friend of mine is beginning to write what you're looking for, if you can
wait 6 months.  In the meantime, if you find anything wonderful, he would
love to use it.  Let me know what you run across.

Darrel


From kta990@nwu.edu Sun May 28 17:09:44 EDT 1995
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From: kta990@nwu.edu (Keith Akama)
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Hi. 

I am interested in studying architecture with a bent for
mechanical/civil engineering.  A friend of mine mentioned
that I should consider the major "architectural engineering",
but I don't know much about this option.

My questions are:

(1) is this a widely accepted major in the architectural field?

(2) does anyone know of any particular institutes that is strong
    in architectural engineering?


Hmm, just wondering.

Thanking any responses in advance,

- Keith Akama.




Feel free to return-reply this posting via e-mail to

kta990@nwu.edu


thanks again.


From Torsten.Brenner@p8.f224.n2410.z2.fidonet.org Sun May 28 17:09:45 EDT 1995
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This is Torsten Brenner (Brenner@psfs.snafu.de) from Berlin, Germany.

I'm student of architecture in the 2nd semester in Berlin. I would like to  
have a kind of chat with other students who study architecture or related  
stuff from all over the world to have an exchange of opinions about  
different things.

Please answer via private-Mail.

Regards,

Torsten Brenner.
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From Stuart Foster Sun May 28 17:09:45 EDT 1995
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In article <3pri52$es9@info.curtin.edu.au>, Stuart Foster <efoster@alpha1.curtin.edu.au> says:
>
>Hi. Does anyone have any information on an exhibition held in Europe last
>year on historic architectural models? I believe that one of the models 
>was of St. Peter's by Michelangelo (?). 
>
>Please e-mail me with any information, especially on how to get a 
>programme from the exhibition if possible.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Stuart Foster.
>
>e-mail: efoster@alpha1.curtin.edu.au
>
>It occured in Venice last May. I suppose that you could contact the city of Venice General Information Services


From krayenhoff@raven.bc.ca Sun May 28 17:09:46 EDT 1995
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Subject: Rammed Earth - Cavity Wall
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I am gearing up to build a rammed earth - cavity wall house.  Currently in the
testing/
prototype phase and very interested in any and all input on :

cavity wall form design - creating the cavity
steel form release agents (green) - have had some trouble with sticking
cavity wall corners and Tee's

What we are aiming at is a 6"  cavity to hold all the mechanicals (plumbing,
wiring,
insulation,etc) with two 10" wythes.  Both wythes will be rammed at the same
time
and the mechanicals put in after.
sent via UUCP from: Raven Net, Salt Spring Island, BC, Canada


From Marc_Lander@plannet.com Sun May 28 17:09:47 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on Straw Bale/Earth Sheltered Homes
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The Real Goods  catalog people (energy efficient stuff) are building their
headquarters  with straw bale const. Ask 'em who their engineer is. I think
they have an 800 #.


From jbrown@gate.net Sun May 28 17:09:48 EDT 1995
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A poor college student, fresh from architorture is going to Grad school
in the fall.  I am hoping to charge a computer over the summer-- and I
need some advice on choosing a good system to support ACAD and 3D
Studio.  Any advice?
pcraft




From ddarreld@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:49 EDT 1995
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Bruce King
Sausalito, CA
415-331-7630


From cmyogawork@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:50 EDT 1995
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From: cmyogawork@aol.com (Cmyogawork)
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Are there any other books on Rumford's design besides Vrest Orton's? I
recall seeing a more modern book with some creative constructions based on
Rumford's design. Can not remember the title. I have played with building
a Rumford fireplace and found it very superior especially if an outside
air feed was incorporated, easily done at the front base on the fireplace
with a small "buterfly valve"- an ash door works well. Chuck Miller:
cmyogawork@aol.com 
cmyogawork@aol.com


From dterry@hooked.net Sun May 28 17:09:51 EDT 1995
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From: dterry@hooked.net ("David Terry")
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From cmyogawork@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:52 EDT 1995
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In Los Ageles call "Envirocare" at 310-390-7781. 11513 Jefferson Bl.
L.A.,CA.
cmyogawork@aol.com


From pmbill@aol.com Sun May 28 17:09:55 EDT 1995
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From: pmbill@aol.com (PMBill)
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Sarah Rossbach has another book entitled Interior Design With Feng Shui
which is a very interesting application of Feng Shui to architecture and
interior design.
William D. O'Malley, AIA
BOMalley@email.hga.com


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According to Sarah Rossbach, "The Chinese art of placement, of balancing
and enhancing the environment. The premise of Feng Shui... (is) the
pursuit of the most harminious and auspicious place to live and to work".

She has two books on Feng Shui:

Feng Shui: The Chinese Art of Placement
Interior Design With Feng Shui
William D. O'Malley, AIA
BOMalley@email.hga.com


From email@domain.com Sun May 28 17:09:56 EDT 1995
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Has anyone had any first hand experiance with the foam /concrete dome construction. Any opinions would be appreciated.
Thanks 
Mikey


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--

In article <ljs888-2705951745470001@database-mac.oai.org>,
ljs888@netcom.net (Clever Tigress)  wrote:

> F R E E  M O N E Y  a great opportunity.
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> Good Fortune

A copy with full header datas has been posted to postmaster@netcom.net.
We will see...

## CrossPoint v3.02 ##


From jstanley@gate.net Sun May 28 17:09:58 EDT 1995
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From: jstanley@gate.net (John A. Stanley)
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Subject: Re: Rammed Earth - Cavity Wall
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In article <0004DE31.fc@raven.bc.ca>,
krayenhoff@raven.bc.ca (Meror Krayenhoff) wrote:
> 
> I am gearing up to build a rammed earth - cavity wall house.  Currently in the
> testing/
> prototype phase and very interested in any and all input on :
> 
> cavity wall form design - creating the cavity
> steel form release agents (green) - have had some trouble with sticking
> cavity wall corners and Tee's

We had our rammed earth house made from blocks cranked out from
a diesel powered machine. The blocks were simply dry stacked in
two courses with a 4" cavity. Wiring and junction boxes were
installed as the walls were being built.

--
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net



From gfulton@picosof.com Sun May 28 17:09:59 EDT 1995
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In article <3ptnb9$ko4$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Kelly Shaw
<74167.3467@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

> Try the following web site:
> 
> http://curry.edschool.virginia.edu:80/Avenue/Community/Environ/Ye
> llow

This correxion in the URL will get u there
http://curry.edschool.virginia.edu:80/Avenue/Community/Environ/YellowMtn

-- 
gfulton@picosof.com (Gib Fulton)   
Santa Cruz, CA          ~This earth has not been inherited
                         from our ancestors, but borrowed 
                         from our children~
Boats, planes, saxophones 
& cyberspace -- zoom,zoom


From paulz@laplaza.taos.nm.us Sun May 28 17:10:00 EDT 1995
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From: paulz@laplaza.taos.nm.us (Paul Zelizer)
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I'm looking for more information on Super Adobe Construction which 
involves compacting adobe soil into a continous nylon tube to form a dome 
structure.  Please write with info. to paulz@laplaza.taos.nm.usa  Thanks!


From ljs888@netcom.net Sun May 28 17:10:01 EDT 1995
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to ALL the terms in THE AGREEMENT at the end.  Have fun making
LOTS OF MONEY!  I am.

1.  STORE THIS FILE  - described below.
2.  MAIL $10 TOTAL OUT to people on the list - described below.
3.  UPDATE THE LIST - add your name to it as described below.
4.  PLACE ADS ON-LINE.
5.  MAIL THIS FILE VIA E-MAIL - to all responses to your ad.
    until 20 of the responses have JOINED - described below.
6.  WAIT FOR THE MONEY TO ROLL IN - spend it as you wish.

WHAT TO EXPECT:
--------------

1.  YOU WILL RECEIVE $5 FROM EACH PERSON WHO JOINS UNDER YOUR
    NAME.  You get your $10 back IMMEDIATELY as #10 and here's
    the beauty of it...with ONLY TWO PEOPLE joining under you!!
2.  YOU WILL RECEIVE $1 FROM EACH OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE in about 
    two months.

    As each person joins, the names on the list move
    up and when YOUR NAME reaches position #5 you will receive
    $1 from thousands of people who have joined way after you.
    The sooner you join the better.

HIGHLIGHTS:
----------
1.  Investment required:   $10.

2.  Limited distribution:  You will stop sending the file when
                          20 PEOPLE HAVE JOINED IMMEDIATELY UNDER YOU.

3.  Editing prohibited:    You MAY NOT change ANYTHING in this
                           file, other than deleting name #1,
                           moving the names up one and adding
                           your own name as #10.
4.  Upgrading allowed:     You MAY use this file if you
                           currently have any previous versions
                           of the long file BUT YOU MUST STILL
                           PAY #10 the $5 unless you already
                           paid #10 for any other version.

5.  Step-by-step info:     To help newcomers joining.

6.  3-Point Checklist:     To ensure you did everything right.

7.  5-Point Agreement:     a) If you send file out, you agree to all
                           b) If you don't agree, you MAY NOT
                              send out this file to anyone.


                INSTRUCTIONS
                ------------

Welcome to the world of Mail Order!

This home business is a little different than most mail-order
businesses.  Your product is not solid and tangible, but
rather a service.

Basically, you are in the business of developing Mailing Lists.
Many large corporations are happy to PAY BIG BUCKS for quality
mailing lists.

The money YOU WILL MAKE from the mailing lists are secondary to the
income which is made from people like yourself requesting that
they be included in that list.

WHAT YOU WILL NEED:  Get the following SIX items BEFORE starting:
-------------------

1.  6 Envelopes - preferably business size
2.  6 Stamps - 32 cents each
3.  6 Pieces of paper - large enough for one sentence
4.  A Pen
5.  1 $5.00 bill   (U.S. currency)
6.  5 $1.00 bills  (U.S. currency)

When you have stored this entire file, read it, and have
everything you need above, follow the six sections below to begin.
Now, Let's Go!  Isn't this fun?  It should be and you should be
getting very excited at this point.

1)  STORE THIS FILE 


2)  MAIL $10 TOTAL OUT:
    ------------------

DO THESE STEPS IN ORDER:

1. Address six envelopes to the names in the following
   positions:  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10

      NOTE: The last envelope goes to name 10 (TEN)
            (NOT name #6) IS RIGHT!

2. Place a stamp on each envelope.
3. Write the following on each of the six pieces of paper: 
      
       PLEASE ADD MY NAME TO YOUR MAILING LIST.

4. Insert each piece of paper in each envelope.
5. Insert a $1.00 bill in envelopes to: names 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
6. Insert the $5.00 bill in the last envelope to name 10.
7. Seal the six envelopes.
8. Mail the six envelopes.

THIS IS A LEGITIMATE SERVICE THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING.

YOU ARE PAYING $1 FOR THIS SERVICE TO EACH OF #1 - 5,
AND $5 TO #10).

If you did the eight steps above, go to 3 below.  If you have
not done the eight steps above, go back and do them NOW BEFORE
going to step three below!

3)  UPDATE THE LIST AS FOLLOWS:
    --------------------------
    If you have NOT done everything in (2) above you CANNOT
    continue!  Go back to (2) above and AFTER you've done
    EVERYTHING there come back here to this section!

    1. REMOVE the name that appears as #1 on the list.
    2. MOVE the other nine names up one position. (#2 will
       become #1 and #3 will become #2, etc.)     
    3. PLACE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND ZIP CODE IN THE #10
       POSITION.

    4.  PLACE ON-LINE ADS:
    -----------------
    It is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL for you to ADVERTISE ON-LINE and
    to E-MAIL THIS COMPLETE FILE to people responding to YOUR
    advertisements.

    IF YOU DON'T advertise, you CANNOT generate responses AND
    THEREFORE, YOUR name (in the #10 position when you SEND
    the file) will NEVER move up and you will NEVER make
    money!  You  M U S T advertise on-line.  If you advertise
    EXACTLY where you found this advertisement and in other
    CATEGORIES on the bulletin board, you will generate LOTS
    of responses (you REPLIED to my ad didn't you?).

   THE FOLLOWING IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED:

1.  SPACE AND CAPITALIZE YOUR SUBJECT. EXAMPLE:

        N E T W O R K   M A R K E T I N G!

        This separates your ad from the clutter of everyone
        else's (since most people rarely use spaces between
        the letters). The reader will spot your ad because it
        S T A N D S  O U T and will respond.

    2.  USE EYE-CATCHING PHRASES:  F  R  E  E   M  O  N  E  Y
        Who can resist responding to this?  Did YOU?  Make the
        subject irresistible.  Spur the reader's curiosity.

    3.  KEEP THE AD VERY BRIEF: EX: Press REPLY for THE BEST
        easy cash information.  This saves you money in
        advertising.  The shorter the better.  Again, you
        responded and I saved money advertising.  And so will YOU too.

Don't worry about using the exact same ad as the one you
read when you responded to my ad.  You have my permission.
I won't lose anything by it.  If anything, my name will
move that much faster up the list.  So will YOURS, when the
next person to reply to YOUR AD receives the file EASYCA from YOU.

Use this exact same file, BUT YOU MAY NOT ALTER ITS CONTENTS,
FORMAT, STRUCTURE, ETC., IN ANY WAY, MANNER, OR FORM OTHER THEN
TO DELETE THE NAME IN THE #1 POSITION, MOVE ALL THE OTHER NAMES
UP ONE POSITION, AND ADD YOUR OWN NAME IN THE #10 POSITION.

This means:
YOU MAY USE this file, BUT YOU MAY NOT ADD ANYTHING ELSE to it
OR TAKE AWAY ANYTHING ELSE from it OR CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE IN IT.
NOT one DOT.

Why?  Because this file has been thoroughly TESTED, REVISED, and
RETESTED in market studies, and the results indicate that MORE
THAN 98.3% OF THE PEOPLE RECEIVING THIS UNALTERED FILE WILL JOIN!

Any alterations in this file at all, will NOT improve your
response rate and will probably DRASTICALLY REDUCE RESPONSE
RATE FROM 98.3% TO LESS THAN 13%!!

Don't try to reinvent the wheel, it's already been invented
just ROLL with it!

For those of you still skeptical, why do you think there are so
many variations of this file in CIS?  Because they've all been
tried, and revised, and THIS ONE, is the one that EVOLVED from
those, and will PULL IN THE GREATEST RESPONSE.

Go ahead, if you want, try the others, you'll soon see you are
wasting precious time, money and the positive response rate won't
even come CLOSE to THIS one.

5)  MAIL THIS FILE VIA E-MAIL:
    ------------------------
   E-Mail this entire file AS IS when you get responses to
    your on-line ads UNTIL YOU HAVE 20 PEOPLE WHO JOINED under
    you.  NOT everyone who receives the file will join.  But
    most will.  

    HOW TO MAIL THE FILE:
    After you get E-Mail responding to your ad, you need to SEND
    them this ENTIRE FILE AS IS.  Since you already saved it. Just 
    BE SURE TO NOTE THE ID# of the person responding.

  
6)  WAIT FOR THE MONEY TO ROLL IN:
    -----------------------------
    As soon as people responding to YOUR ads join YOUR list,

 
    THEY WILL EACH BE SENDING YOU THE $5 bill.  So, for
    example, in a 2-week period, if you get 100 responses to
    join under you, you'll receive 100 x $5 = $500.

    Not bad considering you invested only $10 right!  You may
    get less or LOTS MORE.  At any rate, WHEN ONLY two PEOPLE
    JOIN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR $10 BACK!!  (This will happen A LOT
    SOONER than you think, within a week you'll already be
    EVEN.)

    PLEASE NOTE:  This is a TEAM effort.  Everyone must adhere
    to the rules.  If YOU send out to 500 responses who join,
    you'll make 500 x $5 = $2,500 BUT the list will SLOW DOWN    
    since there will be less people available to join and the
    BIG money is with the $1 bills IN THE LONG RUN, NOT the $5
    bills in the SHORT RUN!

    You WANT to allow others to join UNDER PEOPLE UNDER YOU so
    that the list can FLY!  That's why it is SO IMPORTANT to
    STOP SENDING THE FILE ONCE YOU HAVE 20 PEOPLE WHO SIGNED
    ON IMMEDIATELY UNDER YOU.  HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN TO STOP
    SENDING FILES OUT?  WHEN YOU HAVE RECEIVED 20 $5 BILLS ($100)!  
    Of course you may be receiving plenty of $1 bills
    in the meantime.  That's O.K.  Keep sending files out UNTIL
    you receive 20 $5 BILLS!

    You start at #10 and when your name reaches #5, you will be
    on thousands of lists.  IF YOU DO NOT PUT YOURSELF IN #10,
    YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE THE $5 FROM EACH AND EVERY PERSON YOU
    SEND THIS FILE TO (WHO IS ALSO REQUIRED TO SEND $5. TO #10.
    THAT'S YOU ON THEIR LIST)!

    WITHIN 60 DAYS YOU WILL RECEIVE OVER $50,000.00 IN CASH!!!
    ----------------------------------------------------------

    KEEP A COPY OF THIS FILE FOR YOURSELF so that you can use
    it AGAIN AND AGAIN whenever you need money.  As soon as you
    mail out these letters you are automatically in the mail-
    order business and SOME PEOPLE WILL BE SENDING YOU $1 to be
    placed on your mailing list and THE PEOPLE YOU SEND THE
    FILE TO, WILL BE SENDING YOU $5 to also be placed on your
    mailing list.  This list can then be rented to a mailing
    list broker that can be found in the Yellow Pages for
    additional income on a regular basis.  The list will become
    MORE VALUABLE AS IT GROWS in size.

    This is a service.  This is perfectly legal.  If you have
    any doubts, refer to Title 18, Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the
    postal lottery laws.

NOTE: Make sure you retain EVERY name and address sent to you,
      either on computer or hard copy, but DO NOT discard the
      notes ("Please add my name to your mailing list.") they
      send you.  This is PROOF that you are truly providing a
      service and should the IRS or some other Government
      agency question you, you can provide them with this proof!
              

                BEGIN LIST OF PARTICIPANTS
                --------------------------
                                
        1.  Ethan C. Allen ($1)
            30225 18th Ave SW
            Federal Way, WA 98023

        2.  Ken Mah ($1)
            1875 Dandini Circle
            San Jose, CA 95128                        
      
        3.  Ken Hanscom ($1)
            24255 PCH #1044
            Malibu, CA 90263-1044

        4.  David Grieshaber ($1)
            462 E. Northwood Ave. Apt. B
            Columbus, OH 43201 

        5.  Fred Ewan ($1)
            909 Keith Avenue
            Spring Lake Heights, NJ 07726
          
        6.  Matthew Jakubiak
            P.O. Box 66
            Hotchkiss, CO 18419     
        
        7.  Endrik Janicke
            349 Ash Ave. #78
            Carpinteria, CA 93013

        8.  M.F. Service
            3021 N.E. 72nd Ave. Suite 965
            Vancouver, WA 98661

        9.  Lane Belling
            Box 0397
            Brown University
            Providence, RI 02912

       10.  Clever Kitty ($5)
            6235 Jamestown Dr.
            Parma, OH 44134
             

      
        END LIST OF PARTICIPANTS
        ------------------------


                      SUMMARY
                      -------
1.  FILE this file as EASYCASH or any other name for 
    this very special file.

2.  MAIL $10 TOTAL OUT:  Do the 8 steps in Section 2.

3.  UPDATE THE LIST:     Do the 3 steps in Section 3.

4.  PLACE ADS all over the bulletin boards.  The more the better.
      a. NOTE ID#s of everyone when you get inquiries to your ads.

5.  E-MAIL THIS EXACT FILE TO OTHERS.

6.  WAIT FOR THE MONEY:

    When the $1 bills starts rolling in, in about 4 - 5 weeks,
    be ready for it!  (Don't forget that the $5 bills will
    begin rolling in MUCH SOONER: give it a week, but don't be
    surprised if in 3 - 4 DAYS you start getting them as you
    well should! -- a few days after people you send the file
    to read it and join by sending you $5.)
   If you send the file to 10 people who join, and they all
    send to 10 who join, and those 10 send to 10, etc., this
    is how fast your name will move to #1:

                            DIAGRAM
                            -------

      THEY SEND TO        YOUR #    ON THIS MANY LISTS
YOU SEND TO 10                            10    10
THE $5 ROLL IN:             10             9    100      =$50.00
                           100             8    1000
                          1000             7    10000
                         10000             6    100000
                        100000             5    1000000
THE MONEY ROLLS IN:    1000000             4    10000000 = $$$!!
                      10000000             3    100000000
                     100000000             2    1000000000
                    1000000000             1    10000000000

Now let's get REAL here...YOU'RE NOT going to receive BILLIONS
of dollars despite how good the numbers look.

Why not?  Because, unfortunately, SOME OF YOU are NOT going to
DO IT.  So of course, those won't get ANY money BUT the VAST
MAJORITY OF YOU WILL DO IT (over 98.3% positive response): send
the money and the files out.  YOU WILL DEFINITELY RECEIVE MONEY.

However, no matter how good in theory, sooner or later the process
breaks down so INSTEAD OF RECEIVING BILLIONS OR MILLIONS, you'll
only receive a few thousand or hundred thousand or so.  But at
that point, WHO REALLY CARES?  That's MORE MONEY THAN MOST PEOPLE
MAKE IN A YEAR IN A FULL-TIME JOB!

And when the money finally stops, guess what?, you can do it
ALL OVER AGAIN!!

7.   HAVE FUN depositing the money in your bank account.

                     CHECKLIST
                     ---------
1.  Did you mail $1 to each of #1, 2, 3, 4, 5?
2.  Did you mail $5 to #10 only?
3.  Did you place on-line advertisements?

If you DID ALL of the above, YOU'RE READY to receive responses
and mail this file out and receive money.

If you MISSED ANY OF THE 3 STEPS in the checklist above, DO
THEM RIGHT AWAY so you can begin to receive responses and thus
receive money.

                  THE AGREEMENT
                  -------------

1.  You agree that you will send out a $1 bill to each of the
    names listed in positions #1, 2, 3, 4, 5 AND that you will
    send out a $5 bill to the name listed in position #10 only,
    for a total investment of $10, BEFORE sending this file to
    anyone or posting it on any bulletin board.

2.  You agree to use this file exactly as when you received it
    in accordance with Section 4) Place On-line Ads.  That is,
    you agree you will not alter this file, unless you're merely
    moving the names from positions 1-9 up one position, in
    order, and adding your own name to position #10.

3.  You agree that you will stop sending this file when you have
    20 PEOPLE who JOINED immediately under you so that the names
    can move up MUCH faster so EVERYONE can make money faster.
    Including YOU.

Now if you haven't enrolled, go back to the checklist and DO IT NOW!
Remember...you only use $10 to make $thousands!!!

Good Fortune


From jamie@uwo.ca Sun May 28 17:10:02 EDT 1995
Article: 3313 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
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	I've notified postmaster@netcom.com of this spam.  Please don't
follow it up with a posting.
-- 
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From rbatina@infinet.com Sun May 28 17:10:03 EDT 1995
Article: 3314 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: rbatina@infinet.com (Robert Batina)
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Clever Tigress (ljs888@netcom.net) wrote:

[SCAM DELETED]

:         4.  David Grieshaber ($1)
:             462 E. Northwood Ave. Apt. B
:             Columbus, OH 43201 

Oh man.. it pains me to see that some guy in my own city is part of this 
crappy scam...    I think at least one of the people reading that 
original guy's post should just e-bomb the hell out of him.  Maybe he will 
get the point we don't need his crap in our group...

But, I gues with the thousands of dollars he will be making, he wouldn't 
care if his e-mail got clogged up for a few days.  <G>

--
 _____________________________________________________________________
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From jvd2@aol.com Sun May 28 17:10:04 EDT 1995
Article: 3315 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: jvd2@aol.com (JVD 2)
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Subject: Wanted Architecture Internet Pages
Date: 25 May 1995 11:40:50 -0400
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I'm a new and budding net surfer and wana-be architect and would like some
net pages. Thanx.
     


From cecil.j.vance.jr@demaratus.com Sun May 28 17:10:05 EDT 1995
Article: 3316 of alt.architecture.alternative
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In article <3q8gj4$ppc@horus.infinet.com>
rbatina@infinet.com (Robert Batina) writes:

> Oh man.. it pains me to see that some guy in my own city is part of this 
> crappy scam...    I think at least one of the people reading that 
> original guy's post should just e-bomb the hell out of him.  Maybe he will 
> get the point we don't need his crap in our group...
> 
> But, I gues with the thousands of dollars he will be making, he wouldn't 
> care if his e-mail got clogged up for a few days.  <G>

I already posted the info concerning this post in
news.admin.net-abuses.misc.  Someone should cancel the post.


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"I'd rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy."--from a hat
"A country boy can survive."--Hank Williams, Jr.
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stunning natural beauty has got to be one of the best experiences of
childhood."--Christa Franklin (cmfrankl@course1.harvard.edu)
Cecil J. Vance, Jr., loner, rebel, Appalachian
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From sbrowne@ix.netcom.com Mon May 29 21:48:09 EDT 1995
Article: 3317 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: sbrowne@ix.netcom.com (STEPHEN BROWNE)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: Lowest maintenance building material
Date: 28 May 1995 15:58:36 GMT
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In <3pm65j$a4u@news.onramp.net> Jim Bennett <jbennett@xcscx.com>
writes: 
>
>
>>
>>Poured in place concrete walls, copper or terne metal roof, glass
block 
>>windows.
>>
>How would per square foot construction costs compare to traditional
wood frame house 
>construction?
>

This depends on whether you are are your own "contractor" or you are
hiring out. Poured-in-place concrete calls for a lot of specialty
equipment and forms, although the concrete itself is relatively cheap.
I designed a concrete house and had it built for me at about
$100/sq.ft. If I had done it myself the cost would have been half that.



From rrwetzel@aol.com Mon May 29 21:48:10 EDT 1995
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From: rrwetzel@aol.com (RRWetzel)
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Subject: Architectural Graduate Schools?
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I'm a recent architectural graduate working for a large national A/E firm.
 I'm looking to jump into graduate school to study any (or all, if
possible) of the following:  architectural design, architectural
theory/history, general history, philosophy, social sciences, literature,
language, etc.  

I've done tons of research on schools, but it's hard to get a real look
through campus brochures and catalogs.  Can anyone give me info on the
programs they're in or have attended (special interests, joint curricula
with liberal arts, etc.)  I'd love any info I could get...


From tommcm@aol.com Mon May 29 21:48:12 EDT 1995
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In <3pm65j$a4u@news.onramp.net> Jim Bennett <jbennett@xcscx.com>
writes: 
>
>
>>
>>Poured in place concrete walls, copper or terne metal roof, glass
block 
>>windows.
>>
>How would per square foot construction costs compare to traditional
wood frame house 
>construction?
>

>This depends on whether you are are your own "contractor" or you are
>hiring out. Poured-in-place concrete calls for a lot of specialty
>equipment and forms, although the concrete itself is relatively cheap.
>I designed a concrete house and had it built for me at about
>$100/sq.ft. If I had done it myself the cost would have been half that.

I spent $30 to $35 a ft. for finished ferrocement underground structure. I
hired out about 90% of the work. The secret is finding cheap labor when
doing ferrocement. No special tools or skills are needed. It is with out a
doubt a maintenance free structure. Except for having to mow the grass on
the roof :> 
Tom McMillan**  tommcm@aol.com


From TONE@e-mail.demon.co.uk Mon May 29 21:48:13 EDT 1995
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Hi!

I'm new here so forgive me if I'm at the wrong place. Thanks.

I am studying at the University of East London, currently in my first year 
diploma architecture. I am interested to do a placement in Berlin starting this 
summer and hope that someone could point me in the right direction. Thanks in 
advance. 

-- 
Monie


From dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk Mon May 29 21:48:14 EDT 1995
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From: Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk>
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A friend and I have found an intriguing possibility for a residence. It's a
large pre-stressed concrete drum (imagine an oil storage tank, but concrete)
which used to be part of a coal mine. At present it's 1-2 storeys high of
solid concrete, with a further open storey above that, suitable for a glazed
curtain wall around an open plan living space. The roof is a shallow concrete
dome, with a large (but easily glazable) central skylight. The lower floor is
supported on a number of pilotis.

It looks like an excellent basis for a house conversion, but there would be a
fair bit of structural engineering work required; a small number of windows &
doors to be cut, and one or two intermediate floors to be constructed. Where
on earth do we start ?! Obviously a civil engineer & architect would be
required for a job of this size, but before we start spending cash, I'd like
to get *some* idea of the costs and feasibility involved.

Has anyone any experience of this sort of work ? Any guidance on developing
some order-of-magnitude costings ? How can I (mathematically literate, and
not afraid of structural mechanics or finite element analysis) start
assessing the strength of the existing structure, how much we can cut, and
how on earth we fit a cantilevered floor to it ?


I reckon we have 5 years to get it finished - it would be a *wicked* site for
the millenium party  8-)

--
Andy Dingley                             dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk

If in doubt, just ask yourself what Biggles would do.
It won't help, but it may make life more amusing.


From guo_x@arch.su.edu.au Mon May 29 21:48:16 EDT 1995
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Subject: computers & collaborative design
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Hello
I am doing a research about the role of computers in supporting
collaboration in design.
I would like to know other peoples' experiences.
It would be also very helpful any advice to do my research and any
bibliography anyone can suggest me to read.

Thanks

e-mail address: oiz_g@arch.su.edu.au


From cmyogawork@aol.com Mon May 29 21:48:17 EDT 1995
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Have you "The toilet Papers" by Sim Van der Ryn?
cmyogawork@aol.com


From jharner@aol.com Mon May 29 21:48:18 EDT 1995
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  I am an undergraduate beginning my third year at Duke University and I
am interested in a career in architecture, but I am unsure of the best way
to pursue this.  An architecture major is not offered at Duke, only a
minor in architectural engineering.  With this limited undergraduate
background, what preparations should I be making for graduate schools?  I
desperately need some sound advice from professionsals already in the
field.  I would really appreciate any information or advice anyone could
give!  You can email me directly at jharner@aol.com.
Thank you!

jharner   


From shviid@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon May 29 21:48:19 EDT 1995
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From: shviid@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steen H Hviid)
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I figured the missing part out eventually, thanks for posting the address,
that is a *VERY* nice setup. Those guys really did a good job displaying
their information.
-- 
Steen Hansen (Hviid)    E-mail: hansen+@osu.edu
Computer Specialist,    The Ohio State University
There is something fundamentally wrong in treating the earth as if it was 
a business in liquidation.  -- Herman Daly, quoted in "Earth in the Balance"


From art@cs.ualberta.ca Mon May 29 21:48:20 EDT 1995
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I am interested in locating plywood that does not contain
formaldehyde.  I understand that the glues used in most plywood is
formaldehyde-based.

Does anyone have any pointers to manufacturers or suppliers of such?
Sources in Canada are especially attractive, given my residence there!
:-) This would be for furniture making (eg: book shelves) so "nice"
plywood is the goal.

I know, I could use solid wood, but even if I use solid wood to make
the book shelves (for example) it would be nice to put a piece of 1/4"
plywood on the back.

Lacking that, is there any way to tell, short of calling the
manufacturer, what kind of glue is used in a plywood, when you browse
the lumberyard (ie: tags, stamps, etc)??

Thanks!
...art (art@cs.ualberta.ca)

ps: my concern is with outgassing, in case you were wondering.  
--
..art mulder ( art@cs.ualberta.ca ) ( http://web.cs.ualberta.ca/~art/ )
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From rschuh@ix.netcom.com Wed May 31 00:00:19 EDT 1995
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In <tilionD9CL20.Ko0@netcom.com> tilion@netcom.com (Michael J. Motal)
writes: 
>
>John A. Stanley (jstanley@gate.net) wrote:
>: In article <5mhZ7BRpeYB@himalaya.tng.oche.de>,
>: GHOST@himalaya.tng.oche.de wrote:
>: > --
>: > 
>: > In article <ljs888-2705951745470001@database-mac.oai.org>,
>: > ljs888@netcom.net (Clever Tigress)  wrote:
>: > 
>: > > F R E E  M O N E Y  a great opportunity.
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>: > 
>: > A copy with full header datas has been posted to
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>: > We will see...
>
>: And had you actually read that full header you would have seen
>: that the header was forged.
>
>: --
>: John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net
>
>The correct source of the most is:
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>Mail your complaints to the postmaster there.
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Do you people not see that continuing to put posts up regarding this
situation is doing nothing but prolonging its life? If you see shit
like this ignore it!!! Constantly saying your are going to be little
tattle tails to his server does nothing but give this shit more life.
IGNORE IT!!!!!!!!!

rschuh@ix.netcom.com


From EDV@wiko-berlin.de Wed May 31 00:00:20 EDT 1995
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From: EDV@wiko-berlin.de (Frank Gürgens)
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In a fictitous project a building for "Universal Support" is
planned in Berlin/Germany. The idea is to provide the public with
free network access and support with the handling of the so called
"new media". Mainly free Internet access and support is planned,
but also to make video, audio, printing, computing and other
networking facilities available for private persons for free. The
task is to design a place (or building) in which this "Universal
Support" can be realized.

Do you have any comments or suggestions for the building design or
for the idea in general? Is it utopian or realistic in your
opinion, which kind of support should be offered, too (housing,
transport, libraries, information investigation etc.?) or are some
of them unnecessary? How should the support look like, how should
it be organized?

Please mail your suggestions, ideas and criticisms to
guergens@wiko-berlin.de or simply post them. Thanks for your
inspirations.

Frank
(Email: guergens@wiko-berlin.de)


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In <5mhZ7BRpeYB@himalaya.tng.oche.de> GHOST@himalaya.tng.oche.de
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>
>--
>
>In article <ljs888-2705951745470001@database-mac.oai.org>,
>ljs888@netcom.net (Clever Tigress)  wrote:
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>> F R E E  M O N E Y  a great opportunity.
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>## CrossPoint v3.02 ##

Why do you people get so bent over some stupid crap like this? Just
ignore it. You waste too much time and energy worrying about other
people and their ctap!


From ellipsis@cityscape.co.uk Wed May 31 00:00:23 EDT 1995
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I missed the start of this thread so forgive me for possible repetition, 
but...

You might be interested to see our web exxhibition with the 
Architectural Association's Unit 11 (John Frazer). Genetic algorithms 
and similar techniques applied to architecture.

The full URL is

http://www.gold.net/ellipsis/




From joevance@aol.com Wed May 31 00:00:25 EDT 1995
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From: joevance@aol.com (JoeVance)
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Subject: Re: liability issues in computer renderings
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>>Hi.  I was wondering if anyone had an opinion as to whether the use of 
computer-generated renderings, animations, etc.  expose a designer to 
greater risk of liability.  For example, if you walk a client through a 
design via animation which produces a certain experience, are you 
responsible for replicating that exact experience in the final built 
design. I'm collecting information for a law paper.<<

I cannot imagine how it could... How can you quantify for a jury the
difference in the two experiences?  Owner/architect contracts say nothing
about the architect having a responsibility to accurately convey the
experience of inhabiting the finished space to the owner prior to
construction.  From my experience, computer generated perspectives and
animations have helped TREMENDOUSLY in making the owner feel more at ease
with what they are getting.  To be certain, the imagry we have available
now goes infinately farther than the small scale models we used to use. 
Now, if you want to talk about issues of computers and liability in the
A/E world, look into the electronic transfer of information between the
parties.  THAT is where liability rears its ugly head.  As more an more
firms utilize 3D programs with integrated databases, it is only a matter
of time before clients/owners start insisting the architect provide those
electronic files to me contractors for bidding... THEN you have a
Pandora's Box.  What if someone in the office mistakenly tagged half of
the footings as some material other than concrete?  The database will then
produce erroneous information that may only be discovered after the
project is under construction. The Architect is liable to be expected to
pay for the additional concrete not included in the building cost due to
his/her error.

This is a fairly straight forward example.  There is a LENGHTY list being
discussed by groups around the country.

Joe Vance


From joevance@aol.com Wed May 31 00:00:26 EDT 1995
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From: joevance@aol.com (JoeVance)
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Subject: Re: Computer vs. Architecture Degree?
Date: 29 May 1995 19:26:39 -0400
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Greg:

These days, a degree is pretty much mandatory to obtain a license anywhere
in the US.  There may be a state or two here or there that would still
allow you to become licensed via a work equivalent, (it used to be 7-8
years in Indiana), but those states are quickly changing to follow the
guidelines of the National Council of Architectural Registration Boards
(NCARB) requiring the degree.  You do not, however, have to obtain another
Bachelors.  You can simply enter into one of many Masters programs around
the country, 2-3 years.  Most states then require 3 years of work
experience after the professional degree, (or fulfillment of the
Internship Development Program, IDP, which takes the same 3 years), before
being qualified to take the exam.  The exam, on average, takes 2 years to
pass fully, although they now give it several times a year so you might
get through it in one year.  Look both here and in alt.architecture for
message strings about Graduate programs.

Joe Vance


From joevance@aol.com Wed May 31 00:00:28 EDT 1995
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From: joevance@aol.com (JoeVance)
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Do you have to have plywood?  If you can use particle board, contact the
Medite Corporation, 800-676-3339.  They have both an interior and exterior
product in varying thicknesses.  It smells great!  I have used it on many
jobs and have had no problems.  NO off-gassing.

Joe Vance


From dcarl1@uclink2.berkeley.edu Wed May 31 00:00:29 EDT 1995
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From: dcarl1@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Diane Carlson)
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stom,alt.bacchus,alt.backrubs,alt.bad.clams,alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die
Followup-To: alt.astrology,alt.appalachian,alt.aquaria,alt.architecture,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.artcom,alt.arts.nomad,alt.ascii-art,alt.asian-movies,alt.atari-jaguar.discussion,alt.atari.2600,alt.atheism.satire,alt.autos.antique,alt.autos.rod-n-c

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Robert Schuh (rschuh@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: Do you people not see that continuing to put posts up regarding this
: situation is doing nothing but prolonging its life? If you see shit
: like this ignore it!!! Constantly saying your are going to be little
: tattle tails to his server does nothing but give this shit more life.
: IGNORE IT!!!!!!!!!

: rschuh@ix.netcom.com

Wrong...informing people how to forward these posts to 
postmaster@domain.org is a good idea.  That way the service can take 
action against the account.  It's not being "tattle tails", it *is* 
self-policing the net to make sure people aren't abusing it...

On the other hand, posting a rant about how much you hate this kind of 
this does nothing.

--
*****************************************************************************
Diane Carlson

"passion can create drama out of inert stone" - Le Corbusier
*****************************************************************************


From jstanley@gate.net Wed May 31 00:00:30 EDT 1995
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In article <5mhZ7BRpeYB@himalaya.tng.oche.de>,
GHOST@himalaya.tng.oche.de wrote:
> --
> 
> In article <ljs888-2705951745470001@database-mac.oai.org>,
> ljs888@netcom.net (Clever Tigress)  wrote:
> 
> > F R E E  M O N E Y  a great opportunity.
> [20298 Bytes deleted]
> > Good Fortune
> 
> A copy with full header datas has been posted to postmaster@netcom.net.
> We will see...

And had you actually read that full header you would have seen
that the header was forged.

--
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net



From mac@novell.ur.utk.edu Wed May 31 00:00:38 EDT 1995
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>Oh man.. it pains me to see that some guy in my own city is part of this 
>crappy scam...    I think at least one of the people reading that 
>original guy's post should just e-bomb the hell out of him.

  Mailing address invalid...I, like some others, complained to postmaster at 
netcom, so let's just drop it (and sorry 'bout this follow, even)..

>>>>>>   Mac McDougald (mac@novell.ur.utk.edu or mac@utkvx.bitnet)
"Things are more like they are now than they've ever been before."



From nstn1998@fox.nstn.ca Wed May 31 00:00:41 EDT 1995
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From: "Scott Macphee" <nstn1998@fox.nstn.ca>
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----- Forwarded message begins here -----
From: nstn2466@fox.nstn.ca  <nstn2466@fox.nstn.ca>
9 Mar 1995 17:45:10 -0400
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Slate shingles (roof)

Does anybody have any information on tools for cutting and installing slate
shingles. Or any info on how to quarry the slate. Or referals to good 
guides or books would be helpful. Help would be greatly appreciated. :)

thanks,

    Terry.
 --
 2466 Terry Macphee & Debra 
 nstn@fox.nstn.ca
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From ned.nisson@energy.com Wed May 31 00:00:43 EDT 1995
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 > A materal called Rastra is available which is panels of concrete and 
 > chopped-up
 > polystyrene. A couple of plants make it in So. California (I think 
 > under
 > a Swiss liscence). The panels have semi-smooth exterior faces and 
 > large voids
 > in the interior. On site, rebar, plumbing, etc. are put in the 
 > voids, which
 > are then filled with liquid concrete. The stuff is fire proof, 
 > insulating
 > (around R3.4/inch), and very easy to work with. It cuts with a chain 
 > saw,
 > a couple of guys can handle the panels and "frame" a house, and 

Rastra has been renamed to EnerGrid.  We published a feature article about the
system in the April edition of Energy Design Update.  It does look very good,
but the R-value is questionable.
--Ned Nisson




Ned Nisson, Editor              sent from
Energy Design Update            Energy Design Online  (212)662-0388 [modem]
ned.nisson@energy.com                                 (212)662-7428 (voice)




From dsucher@cyberspace.com Wed May 31 00:00:45 EDT 1995
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From: dsucher@cyberspace.com (David Sucher)
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Subject: CITY COMFORTS homepage
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To see a sampler of the book CITY COMFORTS: How to Build an Urban Village...
http://nwlink.com/~dsucher/comfort/


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Well, here's my little collection.  Enjoy.
BTW, it's in HTML format.  Please feel free to use, copy, change,
distribute, whatever.


<!*************************************  Architecture   ****************************>
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</DL><p>

<hr>

<h2>Architecture</h2>

<li> <A HREF="http://www.futuro.usp.br/rod/text/buckminster_fuller.html"
ADD_DATE="791505133" LAST_VISIT="791505114">Dedicated to Richard Buckminster
Fuller</A> 

<li>   <A HREF="http://www.clr.toronto.edu:1080/VIRTUALLIB/arch.html"
ADD_DATE="795514333" LAST_VISIT="795514328"> Architecture</A>  .  .  .Searchable form - many links

<li>   <A HREF="http://www.ionet.net/~davemann/dwww.html"
ADD_DATE="795597247" LAST_VISIT="795597236">architect & other</A> .  .  .a few links

<li><A HREF="http://archpropplan.auckland.ac.nz/misc/sources1.html" ADD_DATE="796188309" LAST_VISIT="796188302">New Zealand  Architect page</A>
 
<li>  <A HREF="http://www.clr.toronto.edu:1080/" ADD_DATE="795777216" LAST_VISIT="795777197">CLRnet: Centre for Landscape Research Network</A>

<li><A HREF="gopher://libra.arch.umich.edu/" ADD_DATE="796366010" LAST_VISIT="796365998">Architect gopher</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.clr.toronto.edu:1080/VIRTUALLIB/arch.html" ADD_DATE="796366068" LAST_VISIT="796366062">The WWW Virtual Library: Architecture - searchable</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://galaxy.einet.net/galaxy/Arts-and-Humanities/Architecture.html" ADD_DATE="796366135" LAST_VISIT="796366130">Architecture:    MANY MANY links</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://rubens.anu.edu.au/architecture_form.html" ADD_DATE="796366223" LAST_VISIT="796366214">Architecture Database, ANU searchable</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Experimental/anu-art-history/architecture.images.html" ADD_DATE="796366269" LAST_VISIT="796366257">IMAGES OF ARCHITECTURE & ARCHITECTURAL SCULPTURE</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://rossi.arc.miami.edu/cucd/research.htm" ADD_DATE="796366381" LAST_VISIT="796366377">Athenaeum at University of Miami, School of Architecture</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://alberti.mit.edu:80/arch/" ADD_DATE="796366405" LAST_VISIT="796366402">MIT Department of Architecture</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://mirror.syr.edu/soa.html" ADD_DATE="796366419" LAST_VISIT="796366415">Syracuse University School of Architecture</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://wright.sarc.msstate.edu/" ADD_DATE="796366481" LAST_VISIT="796366476">MSU School of Architecture Home Page</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.arch.cuhk.hk/" ADD_DATE="796366522" LAST_VISIT="796366513">THE DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://alberti.mit.edu/ap/programs.html" ADD_DATE="796366543" LAST_VISIT="796366538">MIT School of Architecture and Planning Programs</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://thrain.carleton.ca/" ADD_DATE="796366565" LAST_VISIT="796366562">Carleton University School of Architecture</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.uni-mb.si/mb_arhitektura.html" ADD_DATE="796366595" LAST_VISIT="796366588">Maribor - Architecture And fine Arts Page</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://info.archlab.tuwien.ac.at/das_andere.html" ADD_DATE="796366610" LAST_VISIT="796366607">INTERNET SOURCES: ARCHITECTURE AND BUILDING master links</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.rpi.edu:80/dept/lrc/LRC.html" ADD_DATE="796366662" LAST_VISIT="796366657">Lighting Research Center Home Page</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.cec.wustl.edu:80/arch/index.html" ADD_DATE="796366681" LAST_VISIT="796366677">Architecture Welcome</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://WWW.SARUP.UWM.EDU:80/" ADD_DATE="796366699" LAST_VISIT="796366696">SARUP</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://rossi.arc.miami.edu:80/" ADD_DATE="796366722" LAST_VISIT="796366712">School of Architecture Home Page</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://mirror.syr.edu:80/soa.html" ADD_DATE="796366740" LAST_VISIT="796366736">Syracuse University School of Architecture</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.sbu.ac.uk:80/Architecture/home.html" ADD_DATE="796366769" LAST_VISIT="796366766">Architecture Home Page</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://doric.bart.ucl.ac.uk:80/index.html" ADD_DATE="796366783" LAST_VISIT="796366780">Bartlett Home Page</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.clr.toronto.edu:1080/VIRTUALLIB/archGALAXY.html" ADD_DATE="796366826" LAST_VISIT="796366798">The World-Wide Web Virtual Library: Architecture</A>

    <li><A HREF="gopher://infolib.lib.berkeley.edu/11/resdbs/arch" ADD_DATE="796366842" LAST_VISIT="796366838">gopher://infolib.lib.berkeley.edu/11/resdbs/arch</A>

    <li><A HREF="gopher://riceinfo.rice.edu/11/Subject/Architecture" ADD_DATE="796366853" LAST_VISIT="796366849">gopher://riceinfo.rice.edu/11/Subject/Architecture</A>

    <li><A HREF="gopher://dewey.lib.ncsu.edu/11/library/disciplines/architecture" ADD_DATE="796366865" LAST_VISIT="796366862">gopher://dewey.lib.ncsu.edu/11/library/discipli...</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://www.bwk.tue.nl:80/lava/" ADD_DATE="796366904" LAST_VISIT="796366901">Lab for Architecture</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://archpropplan.auckland.ac.nz:80/misc/sources1.html" ADD_DATE="796366922" LAST_VISIT="796366916">Schools</A>

    <li><A HREF="http://archpropplan.auckland.ac.nz:80/People/Mat/Mat.html" ADD_DATE="796366941" LAST_VISIT="796366934">Matiu Carr</A>

    <li><A HREF="gopher://library.berkeley.edu:70/11/resdbs/arch/acqlist" ADD_DATE="796366963" LAST_VISIT="796366958">UCAL Berkely gopher</A>

    <li><A HREF="gopher://library.berkeley.edu:70/00/resdbs/plan/wwwplan" ADD_DATE="796367014" LAST_VISIT="796366995">list of WWW sites</A>

  <li> <A HREF="http://www.halcyon.com/coz/rtcahome.htm" ADD_DATE="791881453" LAST_VISIT="791881443">R. T. Colasurdo Architects, A.I.A. Architecture & Planning</A>  .  .  .


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Have any suggestions / additions ?
<dt>
Have any requests ?
<dt>
Wanna complain about my lame HTML ? ( nah, you don't want to do that ! )
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<br>

Email to : pjm@nando.net






From djbohn@aol.com Wed May 31 00:00:48 EDT 1995
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From: djbohn@aol.com (DJBohn)
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Subject: architectural memory
Date: 29 May 1995 13:58:15 -0400
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I hope I am in the right area for help.  I once heard the term
"architectural  memory" explained as the fact that the entranceway to a
building deeply affects the perception that the individual receives of the
whole building and colors the experience of the building.

I am looking for justifications to renovate the ER entrance to a hospital.
 can anyone point me in the right direction for a authoritative, concise
explanation of this?

Thank you for your help.


From cram@pixi.com Wed May 31 00:00:49 EDT 1995
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From: Don Cram <cram@pixi.com>
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Subject: Energy and Resource Self-Sufficient Housing
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I am looking for information on constructing a house which will recycle, generate energy, and generally be self-sufficient.  Please respond to my address with information, books, plans, etc.  Thanks.  cram@pixi.com


From sgrimaldi@delphi.com Wed May 31 00:00:52 EDT 1995
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From: Steven V. Grimaldi  President <sgrimaldi@delphi.com>
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Subject: Wanted!! Used soil testing equipment for laboratory
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I am interested in buying used soil testing equipment for my
new geotechnical testing laboratory.
 
Items needed include:
consolidometers;
CBR molds;
direct shear device;
load frame;
triaxial and permeability cells;
etc.
 
Anyone willing to sell this equipment please e-mail me a list.
I am located in Pittsburgh, PA.


From alanh@larry.wyvern.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:02 EDT 1995
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From: alanh@larry.wyvern.com (Alan Horowitz)
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Subject: Re: flood damage of historic buildings
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I thought this was settled with the Tower of Babel. My opinion:  like 
trees, mountains, and everything else,  buildings die of natural causes.
Folks who want to preserve a building for non-economic reasons are 
delusional about what is real and what is fiction. Well, I guess all 
those artsy-fartsies who think that architecture should encompass some 
"values" beyond economics and civil engineering, will turn on the 
flamethrowers. Help yourselves; you cannot convince me that you have 
grown up.

Or maybe don't bother: there is a sufficient supply of customers who have 
more disposeable funds than self-esteem. Please, go help them get their 
names into artsy-fartsy magazines.

Reference:  P.T. Barnum
-- 
Alan Horowitz
alanh@infi.net


From ekonee@exodus.databank.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:03 EDT 1995
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From: ekonee@exodus.databank.com (Sacred Earth Foundation)
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Construction Network Online (aa205@torfree.net) wrote:
: Robert W. Tom (be417@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

: : A short explanation:

: :      The following are excerpts from private e-mails from Ship
: : Harbour, Nova Scotia, Canada; wherein dwells Kim Thompson, the
: : owner-builder of the TWO-STOREY, LOAD-BEARING, STRAW BALE HOME
: : there, 
: : Or, if you're not, but would like to see the report, as mentioned
: : above, it will be on WWW eventually.
: :      http://www:cfn.cs.dal.ca/~aa983/strawhouse.html
: : Rob Tom
: : Kanata, Ontario, Canada

This URL returns an error #403: Forbidden Access!




From stevek@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au Sat Jul 15 14:20:04 EDT 1995
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From: Steve King <stevek@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au>
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We are currently engaged in a research project on the above vexed topic. 
 I would appreciate any pointers to information on similar reseach, 
especially published material, from any source.  

In about six weeks, the RAIA (Royal Australian Institute of Architects) 
will be publishing a collection of papers from a small symposium we 
convened.  Much of the information is local, but some is of wider 
relevance.  If interested, please let me know.



From c9111270@cc.newcastle.edu.au Sat Jul 15 14:20:05 EDT 1995
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From: c9111270@cc.newcastle.edu.au
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Subject: Alternate House building info wanted !!!
Date: 10 Jul 95 20:57:26 +1000
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hello,


Can anyone provide me with info, or relevant 
publications on alternative house building 
techniques , such as Dome Homes , building one'
own mud bricks and using Solar energy etc etc,

regards
Gordan..


From afn07038@freenet.ufl.edu Sat Jul 15 14:20:05 EDT 1995
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From: "Robert G. Marsh" <afn07038@freenet.ufl.edu>
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Subject: Re: What is solar cooling?
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For what it's worth....
	Years ago I read a report from  the University of FL, they 
burried a concrete septic tank in the backyard of their "solar"house, 
insulated it well, filled it with water, and used an antifreeze mix 
through a radiator aboveground when it was below freezing, and then used 
the chilled antifreze mix to aircondition the house in the summer. The 
project was a "failure", as they could only freeze enough of the tank of 
water to provide A/C all summer long 1 year out of 3 , IN FL !!!! 
Robert



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From richard@rt66.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:10 EDT 1995
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From: Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
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Subject: Re: What is solar cooling?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 04:03:55 GMT
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A better approach to solar cooling, especially for most refrigeration 
needs is a sky refrigerator. It is the exact opposite of a solar 
greenhouse. Faces north and opened to the night sky.

History, in the middle east in ancient times (and perhaps even now) an 
east-west wall was built. The sun never hit the north side. In winter, 
water was placed on the north side and froze. It could be kept well into 
summer because the north clear night sky has a radiant temperature of 
near absolute zero.

It would be fun to build a sky refrigerator. I plan to do it myself as 
soon as I pay off some debts. For those who would like to try:

Build a north facing greenhouse. Fill with water storage.
Insulate the glazing during the day, open at night.
Let freezing air in winter to freeze the water.
Convey the "coolth" to your inside refrigerator with a small pump which 
circulates an antifreeze coolant such as alcohol/water from a pipe 
buried in the frozen mass.

Good luck.

Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
-------------------------------------------------------
              Institute for Planetary Renewal
"Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design"




From dclarkfive@aol.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:10 EDT 1995
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From: dclarkfive@aol.com (DClarkfive)
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Subject: Re: How do architects find jobs
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The AIA stands for The American Institute of Architects, an association of
Architects.

and yes, SF was for San Francisco.  The original posting was from a couple
wanting to relocate into Northern California.  The AIA, however, does have
offices in almost every major city in the US.  If you call the SF office
at 415 362-7397, they could send you more information.

Dave Clark, AIA 


From drypkema@aol.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:11 EDT 1995
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From: drypkema@aol.com (DRypkema)
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Subject: Re: flood damage of historic buildings
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Alan Horowitz wrote, "I thought this was settled with the Tower of
Babel...buildings die of natural causes. Folks who want to preserve a
building for non-economic reasons are delusional about what is real and
what is fiction. Well, I guess all those artsy-fartsies who think that
architecture should encompass some "values" beyond economics and civil
engineering, will turn on the flamethrowers....there is a sufficient
supply of customers who have more disposeable income than self-esteem.
Please go help them get their names into artsy-fartsy
magazines...Reference: P.T. Barnum"

This is neither a flame nor an attempt to convince Mr.Horowitz of
anything. I suppose it is the fault of preservationists who have not made
the arguments about the economics of historic preservation sufficiently
clear nor sufficiently often so as to preclude preservation as seen as
merely an "artsy-fartsy" endeavor as Mr. Horowity would suggest. There are
plenty of preservation/economics arguments, however, and here are a few:
  1) The rehabilitation of historic preservation is, dollar for dollar,
one of the most effective local job generating activities a community can
undertake - $1,000,000 in building rehabilitation creates 12 more local
jobs than manufacturing $1,000,000 of car in Michigan, 29 more jobs than
pumping $1,000,000 of oil in Oklahoma, 12 more jobs than producing
$1,000,000 of steal in Pennsylvania.
2) A million dollars of rehabilitation will create 5 to 9 more local
construction jobs than $1,000,000 of new construction, increase local
household incomes $107,000 more than $1,000,000 of new construction,
create 5 more jobs elsewhere in the community than $1,000,000 in new
construction.
3) Virtually every successful large city downtown revitalization effort
has had historic preservation as a critical element.
4) By far, the most effective small town revitalization process in the
last 15 years has been the National Trust's Main Street program - a local
economic development program in the context of historic preservation.
5) In city after city, historic preservation has been an effective
counter-cyclical economic activity when new construction is at a
standstill.
6) The "cutting edge" communities in long term economic development
efforts use the historic character of their downtowns and older
neighborhoods as a key recruitment tool for new industry.
7) Because of the affordable rents they provide, older and historic
buildings provide appropriate incubators - formally or informally - for
start-up businesses. And it is new start up and small businesses that are
providing the vast majority of new job growth in the country.
8) Reusing existing buildings in a city's core means the existing
infrastructure - already paid for with previous tax payers' dollars - can
continue to be reused, as opposed to laying more sewer and water lines,
roads, utilities further and further away from the core.
9) Consistantly, properties protected through historic preservation
ordinances maintain their values much better than the community as a
whole, and in many places appreciate at a significantly higher rate.
10) Whenever and where ever there has been a "back to the city" movement,
it hasn't been back to the city in general but back to historic
neighborhoods within cities.

I don't know which of the above could be categorized "artsy-fartsy"
arguments for rehabilitating historic structures. It's just that
preservationists need to be better armed to make the arguments. Unlike
B.T. Barnum, preservationists don't have to have freaks and scams to make
the case - the economic facts of life about historic preservation can
stand on their own.

Donovan D. Rypkema


From virtualh@sover.net Sat Jul 15 14:20:12 EDT 1995
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From: Stuart Savel <virtualh@sover.net>
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Subject: Roll Screens
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I am looking for a good quality screen with a minimum profile to be
placed above sliding doors between the door and the header.





From will1000@ix.netcom.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:13 EDT 1995
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In <Pine.A32.3.91.950713100448.15783A-100000@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu>
"Robert G. Marsh" <afn07038@freenet.ufl.edu> writes: 
>
>For what it's worth....
>	Years ago I read a report from  the University of FL, they 
>burried a concrete septic tank in the backyard of their "solar"house, 
>insulated it well, filled it with water, and used an antifreeze mix 
>through a radiator aboveground when it was below freezing, and then
used 
>the chilled antifreze mix to aircondition the house in the summer. The

>project was a "failure", as they could only freeze enough of the tank
of 
>water to provide A/C all summer long 1 year out of 3 , IN FL !!!! 
>Robert

You've piqued my interest.  Do you have anymore information or does
anyone else know about this?   What size tank, how much insulation,
what cooling load, how much would this cost?

Will Stewart


From hatunen@netcom.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:16 EDT 1995
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In article <3u62k9$8rh@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
Will Stewart  <will1000@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In <Pine.A32.3.91.950713100448.15783A-100000@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu>
>"Robert G. Marsh" <afn07038@freenet.ufl.edu> writes: 
>>
>>For what it's worth....
>>	Years ago I read a report from  the University of FL, they 
>>burried a concrete septic tank in the backyard of their "solar"house, 
>>insulated it well, filled it with water, and used an antifreeze mix 
>>through a radiator aboveground when it was below freezing, and then
>used 
>>the chilled antifreze mix to aircondition the house in the summer. The
>
>>project was a "failure", as they could only freeze enough of the tank
>of 
>>water to provide A/C all summer long 1 year out of 3 , IN FL !!!! 
>>Robert
>
>You've piqued my interest.  Do you have anymore information or does
>anyone else know about this?   What size tank, how much insulation,
>what cooling load, how much would this cost?

Bring back the ice house.

Well into the 20th century people and organizations cut ice from ponds
in the winter and stored it in ice houses, using sawdust piled on the
ice stack as insulator. Until the widespread development of
refrigerating ice manufacturing, this was where the ice for granny's
icebox came from (I'm old enough that "icebox" was the apellation for
even a refrigerator when I was young). In fact, there was one New
England company which made a considerable amount of money shipping such
ice to the tropical areas of the Caribbean and South America and
Florida. It was used for air conditioning, among other things. Pond and
lake ice was an actual industry in northern states.

My uncle lived near Lake Superior on the Michigan UP. I visited him in
the late 1940s and he took me down to the village ice house with him
while he picked up ice for his general store. This was in August.

This may be why air conditioning equipment was once commonly rated in
"tons/day(?)", as in "a one-ton air conditioner". The tons were tons of
ice.

-- 


    ********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@netcom.com) **********
    *     Daly City California: almost San Francisco      *
    *   but with parking and lower car insurance rates    *
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In article <3u62k9$8rh@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
Will Stewart  <will1000@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In <Pine.A32.3.91.950713100448.15783A-100000@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu>
>"Robert G. Marsh" <afn07038@freenet.ufl.edu> writes: 
>>
>>For what it's worth....
>>	Years ago I read a report from  the University of FL, they 
>>burried a concrete septic tank in the backyard of their "solar"house, 
>>insulated it well, filled it with water, and used an antifreeze mix 
>>through a radiator aboveground when it was below freezing, and then
>used 
>>the chilled antifreze mix to aircondition the house in the summer. The
>
>>project was a "failure", as they could only freeze enough of the tank
>of 
>>water to provide A/C all summer long 1 year out of 3 , IN FL !!!! 
>>Robert
>
>You've piqued my interest.  Do you have anymore information or does
>anyone else know about this?   What size tank, how much insulation,
>what cooling load, how much would this cost?
>
>Will Stewart

	In the book _Table of Contents_ by John McPhee he writes about an 
"ice pond".  Some researchers at Princeton filled an insulated hole in 
the ground with ice made by a slightly modified snow gun.  Whenever the air
temperature was below freezing they would make ice, all winter long.  
Once it started getting warmer out they insulated it further with some 
sort of cover and used the meltwater at the bottom as coolant.  It was 
pumped through a heat exchanger which, in turn, cooled a given office 
(building?).  I read this 8 or 10 years ago (scary!), so if the details 
are off i apologize, but the researchers succeeded in "saving" winter 
cold for use in summer.  

	Build an Ice Pond!
		Will

ps.  The researchers may have included Ted Taylor, if I remember correctly.



From madelin@north.pacific.net Sat Jul 15 14:20:17 EDT 1995
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From: madelin@north.pacific.net (Madelin Holtkamp)
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In article <3truup$io@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, bradyatti@aol.com
(Bradyatti) wrote:

> tipis are very small
> yurts are very small
> i do not find these
> unacceptable
> 
> expensive homes...

This, I think is the key--that yurts and tipis were generally used amidst
the cathedrals of nature, not the inner city.  

I, personally, love living in very small spaces, but as someone here
pointed out, they must be laid out well, built well, and incorporate a
humanizing aesthetic.


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LOL. My stupidity! I was under the obviously mistaken assumption that this
issue warranted rational discussion. I should have known better. Mr.
Horowitz, when you reach the intellectual maturity to debate on issues
rather than argumentum ad hominem or argumentum ad limbaughdum feel free
to contact me. Until then your comments are probably a big hit with the
dittoheads, but somewhat less useful here.

Thank you for your response, however. Mrs. Malaprop and I were both
greatly amused.


From ams11@psuvm.psu.edu Sat Jul 15 14:20:19 EDT 1995
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From: ams11@psuvm.psu.edu (Mike Schaal)
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In article <3u6gc4$ga@shore.shore.net>, wbw@shore.net (William B. Warren) wrote:


> >>For what it's worth....

>         Build an Ice Pond!
>                 Will

Now you have my interest as well. I remember a presentation given by one
of the researchers back in the early 1980s. Perhaps one or more of the
following references might shed some light...

BOOKS:

Gunther, Raymond C.
Refrigeration, air conditioning, and cold storage, principles and
applications. / [by] Raymond C. Gunther. 2d rev. and enl. ed.
Philadelphia, Chilton Book Co., [1969].

Ice pond cooling of a power plant and its effect on plant performance
Urbanski, John Anthony. Ice pond cooling of a power plant and its effect
on plant performance. 1977.

ARTICLES:

AUTHOR(s):       Thakar, Girish S.
TITLE(s):        HVAC Retrofit Opportunities with Thermal Storage and Cold
                   Air Distribution System.

           In:   Energy engineering.
                 1992 v 89 n 4
         Page:   59

TITLE(s):        Focus on Cold Storage.

           In:   Refrigeration and air conditioning.
                 SEP 01 1993 v 96 n 1146
         Page:   23

TITLE(s):        Spotlight on Cold Storage.

           In:   Refrigeration and air conditioning.
                 DEC 01 1991 v 94 n 1125
         Page:   20

TITLE(s):        Cogeneration and refrigeration: This combination is a hot
                   idea for low temperature cold storage installations.

           In:   Heating, piping, air conditioning.
                 DEC 01 1989 v 61 n 12
         Page:   59

-- 
A. Michael Schaal                        ams11@psuvm.psu.edu
Department of Mineral Economics
Penn State University


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In article <hatunenDBpuwn.4LL@netcom.com>, hatunen@netcom.com (DaveHatunen) writes...

[snip]
> 
>Bring back the ice house.
> 
>Well into the 20th century people and organizations cut ice from ponds
>in the winter and stored it in ice houses, using sawdust piled on the
>ice stack as insulator. Until the widespread development of
>refrigerating ice manufacturing, this was where the ice for granny's
>icebox came from (I'm old enough that "icebox" was the apellation for
>even a refrigerator when I was young). In fact, there was one New
>England company which made a considerable amount of money shipping such
>ice to the tropical areas of the Caribbean and South America and
>Florida. It was used for air conditioning, among other things. Pond and
>lake ice was an actual industry in northern states.

A recent issueof Popular Science discusses an idea the Canadians have for
using the very cold water in lake Erie [it's at 4 C, in the bottom of the
lake, and accumulates each winter due to water being at its highest density
at 4 degrees C - if I remember right] as air conditioning for the buildings
in some of their major cities.

The idea is to simply build a pipeline that reaches the required depth, and
to pump the water through heat exchangers in the buildings, then back into the
lake.
> 
>-- 
> 
> 
>    ********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@netcom.com) **********
>    *     Daly City California: almost San Francisco      *
>    *   but with parking and lower car insurance rates    *
>    *******************************************************
> 
Mike Jamison


"Scientific research consists in seeing what everyone else has seen, but
thinking what no one else has thought"

						-A. Szent-Gyorgyi


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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BUCKY!!!!!!
GK



From tec@constabl.demon.co.uk Sat Jul 15 14:20:22 EDT 1995
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-- 

******************************************
*                                        * 
*    Clive Goadby 			 *
*    Alan Conisbee and Associates        *
*    4 Offord Street                     *
*    London N1 1DH                       *
*                                        *
*    Tel: 0171 700 6666                  * 
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Does anyone out there have any comparisons of total embodied energy of 
different building types ?  For example there are modular steel-framed 
'temporary' dwellings in the uk which are factory made so quite 
efficient. How do these compare with brick/block traditional houses ? 



From dylchitect@aol.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:22 EDT 1995
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Hi;

There have been a number of postings concerning the above topic. I recall that 
Prudential Insurance did a rather imaginative - at least for an insurance 
company - two building office complex in New Jersey some time ago (1960s?).  
One of the energy saving items was an ice house approach to summer cooling.  
Is there any published data about this development in terms of actual utility 
useage over the years compared to a standard, energy saving methods used 
and the like or about design of the buildings?  Or, is my memory totally 
failing me and there is no such development?

Thanks,
Munn


Munn Heydorn (The words and ideas are mine, not necessarily
agreed to by The First National Bank of Chicago)
munn@interaccess.com (Preferred)  OR   commre@aol.com
Wheaton, Illinois, USA
email me for Internet Resources for Not-for-Profits
in Housing, Health and Human Services


From daatt@aol.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:24 EDT 1995
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I'm looking for do-it-yourself information on being your own gereral
contractor; especially as applicable to alternative construction (trying
to find, hire someone for a job too small or weird can  be more than a
little hard); anything:  FTP sites, WEB pages, recommended books...
everything I'm a tyro!

Dana


From jsjansen@teleport.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:25 EDT 1995
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From: jsjansen@teleport.com (Jeff Jansen)
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The Portland, OR chapter of the AIA Committee On The Environment is 
compiling a bibliography to be handed out at the "Eco Village" display at 
display at the Fall Home and Garden Show in Portland. I'm looking for 
bibliographic information about:

	o sustainable housing and communities
	o alternate energy/building technologies
	o permaculture

Please email responses to jsjansen@teleport.com. Will post summary when 
complete.

For more info on the Eco Village, respond via email.

-- 
:: Jeff Jansen, Proprietor / Modest Systems / Portland, Oregon USA
:: Technical Communication and Application Development          
:: "The music is not in the piano." -Clement Mok



From FCAB11A@prodigy.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:26 EDT 1995
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From: FCAB11A@prodigy.com (Kenneth Kerr)
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I am Vice President of a Communications Engineering firm based in 
Cincinnati.  We are considering expanding our services to provide voice 
and data network engineering services to architectural and development 
firms so they, in turn, can provide an additional service to their 
clients.  I am interested in receiving feedback from architects and those 
in the building industry as to whether this type of service may be of 
some benefit to architectural and development firms as well as their 
clients.  Any input/guidance on this subject would be greatly appreciated.


Kenneth E. Kerr
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From stevenaia@aol.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:27 EDT 1995
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I am designing shoji screens for a residence and am looking for a source
for the screen material.  I have see a fiberglass reinforced paper looking
material.  If anyone knows of a supplier so I can get the material, I
would be very appriciative

Thanks in advance,

StevenAIA@aol.com


From jtgrimes@delphi.com Sat Jul 15 14:20:27 EDT 1995
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I am a middle school Tecnology teacher interested in doing a project on passive
residential solar heating this fall with my students. I am interested in
finding sources of the latest thinking in passive solar design. I was also
wondering if there were any
sources passive solar home designs, floor plans, or GIFs on the Internet.
 
Thanks for your attention,
 
Jim Grimes
Ocean City Schools
18th & Bay Aves.
Ocean City N.J.08226


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	Ten years ago, Solar Age magazine published a story about absorbtion cooling
for residential use. The issue is well packed, but I will try to dig it out.
	The house was in Phoenix, outdoor design temp of 105 F. The approx. 2000
sq. ft. house had the southside roof covered with flat panels. The chiller took up a 
large shed next to the house. The only electrical devices were fans, pumps and 
controls, couple hundred watts. The equipment was Japanese.The owner was an
Arizona State engineering professor.
	That's all I can remember of the article.

	Solar cooling needs to start with the custom house and visionairy commercial
developers. Residential construction is usually the last place to see innovation. 

Jim Sullivan
	



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In article <14JUL199517321700@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>,
edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Mike Jamison (ADF)) wrote:

>A recent issueof Popular Science discusses an idea the Canadians have for
>using the very cold water in lake Erie [it's at 4 C, in the bottom of the
>lake, and accumulates each winter due to water being at its highest density
>at 4 degrees C - if I remember right] as air conditioning for the buildings
>in some of their major cities.
>
>The idea is to simply build a pipeline that reaches the required depth, and
>to pump the water through heat exchangers in the buildings, then back into the
>lake.

Before these systems are introduced in large scale, the ecological impact
of the resulting higher water temperatures should be thoroughly
investigated. Technologically and financially brilliant as such a system
might seem, it may cause serious problems to some vital parts of the lake
ecosystem that _require_ those low temperatures.


From wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:08 EDT 1995
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From: wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com (Will Stewart)
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>    (1) Is there any value in maintaining the division, "Active" vs.
>        "Passive," which assumes that only one or the other is really OK,
>        and trashes its opposite?

This is simply a way of determining certain system parameters.  If the words
'active' and 'passive' were not used, other words with the same meanings woul
take their place.  Just ignore those who promote division and strife.

>    (2) What's the better use of solar, when indoor life/work/play in hot,
>        humid climates makes refrigerated air conditioning essential for the
>        high productivity of warmblooded animals inside  ---
>           (a) Photovoltaic electricity transformed and stepped up to drive
>               vapor-compression units, or

This can certainly work, though you will need significant storage to run the
A/C after peak solar insolation periods.

>           (b) Thermal energy, stored, concentrated and assisted as needed,
>               driving absorption-cycle units? (water/LithiumBromide, not
>               ammonia!)  

This is also doable, in fact done already in some applications.

The driver at the present time, as I've been told, is cost.

William R. Stewart, Jr	(Will)      "Don't worry, be happy"  - Bobby McFarren
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In article <DC14As.ItJ@crash.cts.com>, saturn@crash.cts.com (Elaine Gallegos) writes:
>George A. Gleason (gg@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:
>
>
>: Solar: well, when I see the words "active" and "passive" together like that
>: I can't help but think of something vaguely erotic going on; better to drop
>: the distinction since its meaning is diminishing; and, that done, we will
>: probably rid ourselves of a bunch of people whose emotional constitution
>: thrives on dichotomies.
>
>: Item (2), I would think that thermal-based cooling systems are more direct &
>: therefore efficient than going through conversion to electricity.  However,
>: this might be going at it backwards; after all one could do that geothermal
>: cooling thing by drilling a couple of holes in the ground to circulate air
>: through and get it back at 55-degrees F.  Then the solar power could operate
>: the fans which move the air, and that would seem to be more efficient than
>: using the solar power to drive a system which must create a heat
>: differential.  (BTW as you might guess, I'm out of my field here...)
>
>  I think that we need to constentrate on cutting down heat gain in the 
>first place, and consern ourselves with cooling the air down secondarily.
> If the air itself is 90degrees, we only need to cool it down say 10 
>degrees to be reasonably comfortable, and only 15 degrees to be 
>completely comfortable.  No problem for your cooling system to just take 
>it down 15 degrees.
>  Solar heat gain however is like holding a match to one side, and an ice 
>cube to the other.  Your cooling system is going to have to work as hard 
>as it can just to duct away part of the solar heat gain.  You can't even 
>work on cooling the air those few degees it would take to make all the 
>difference in the world.
>  Of course, ideally, we will begin to design out buildings not to have 
>tremendous heat gain in the first place.  We have all had the experience 
>of being out on a blazing hot day, then finding shade under some very 
>dense trees.  Amazingly, we find that it is some 20% cooler under the 
>shade of the trees.  True, trees transpire, and literally cool the air 
>under them, but also what is going on is that in that space under the 
>tree, you're not getting any heat gain.  No complicated electrical 
>cooling system here.
>  What we need to do is to work out methods of reducing heat gain in our 
>present structures.  This is what I have been working on this summer.  I 
>bought some opaque silver tarps, which have been installed over the two 
>walls that are exposed to the sun most during the day.  Covering one room 
>at a time, it seems that the tarps are effective in reducing heat gain.
>  My other big challege will be the roof.  On one end, the ceiling is all 
>open beam.  I have decided to try sprinkers on the roof.  The first 
>attempt was a failure.... insufficient water pressure to for any decent 
>coverage... my coolant ended up all over the ground.  Next, I will 
>purchase some soaker hose and find a way to keep the water on the roof 
>without run off.
>  Another thing that might work is finding a way to stretch a reflective 
>tarp over the top of the house for some dense shade.
>

	Keeping the sun out is very important. I have put foil backed foam
in some windows on the west side . As for tarps I haven't tried It should  
work fine as long as you leave some air gap between the tarp and the surface.

	Sounds like it would be pretty ugly tho.



From hatunen@netcom.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:10 EDT 1995
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In article <tipwj5fylc.fsf@anaphi.vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at>,
Albrecht Kadlec <albrecht@auto.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

[...]

>> So, I'd guess Lake Michigan would have the same temperature near its bottom 
>> as Erie does - just a lot more water at that temp.
>
>D> Your logic escapes me. . .
>
>Water is most compact at 4 degrees C. That's why ice (being less
>compact, though at a lower temp) is swimming on top of that. So the
>lowest part of a lake is near 4 C at any time, winter or summer.
>A shallow pond gets more energy from the sun (surface to volume
>ratio), so it's generally warmer.
>A small & deep lake is likely to have some 100 meters of 4 C water,
>with only the top 10 meters being affected by summer / winter
>fluctuations.

Oh. I get it.

I'd be very surprised if Lake Erie had a bottom temperature that cold
all year round. OTOH, I'd not be surprised at all if Superior did. As a
kid I spent my summers on Lake Erie (it wasn't particularly polluted
and that should give you some idea of how old I am) and the upper
layers get quite warm by September. I would thing that there would be
quite a bit of turnover in a lake that shallow.

I've also swum in Lake Superior in August. It felt like the surface
waters were at 4C.

In any case, any significant withdrawal of "cold" from deepwaters
means, ipso facto, the heating of the bottom waters, quickly
introducing convection currents that weren't there before. This could
have considerable impact on the local ecosystem.


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From edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov Wed Jul 26 00:46:11 EDT 1995
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From: edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Mike Jamison (ADF))
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In article <3uihdt$fib@nkosi.well.com>, gg@well.sf.ca.us (George A. Gleason) writes...
> 
> 
>Re. using lakes as a source of temperature difference for cooling purposes:
>this may turn out to have undesirable ecological consequences, particularly
>if done on a large scale.  When you take "cool" *out*, you're putting "warm"
>*in*, and heating up an area surrounding your heat exchanger; in essence
>creating a little micro-climate.  To the extent that some species take a
>liking to that warm zone, they can be wiped out when you switch off the
>system for a prolonged period.  Perhaps not significant unless on a larger
>scale; at which point another effect kicks in, namely interference with the
>natural convective cycles in the lake.

I see that, by your e-address, you live in California.  Sounds like you've
never been to Cleveland, OH.

Around here, there's an expression "if you don't like the weather, wait five
minutes".

So, I doubt that there'd be any negative effect on climate.

Second, about the only fish in Lake Erie are Carp and Zebra Mussels - the
mussels are a nuisance, and were introduced by accident, so they really 
*thrive* [no natural predators].

In other words, there really isn't much of an ecology to mess up...
> 
>I'd be very careful with this kind of stuff; more research is indicated.

Supposedly the Canadians have been researching this, and they believe that
the amount of cold water removed/year will be insignificant.

By the way, around here they recommend not eating more than a few fish per
month - not because it'll deplete the fish, but because of the heavy metals
still found in the fish [it's better than it used to be - previously, the
recommendation was to not eat *any* fish caught in Lake Erie].

Hope this answers your questions.
> 

Mike Jamison

p.s. If I don't respond to my e-mail over the next three weeks, it's because
I'll be in europe on my honeymoon - don't have a laptop to take with me
[not that she'd even *let* me :-)]

"Scientific research consists in seeing what everyone else has seen, but
thinking what no one else has thought"

						-A. Szent-Gyorgyi


From dyoung@ncw.net Wed Jul 26 00:46:12 EDT 1995
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In article <3uihdt$fib@nkosi.well.com>,
gg@well.sf.ca.us (George A. Gleason) wrote:
> 
> 
> Re. using lakes as a source of temperature difference for cooling purposes:
> this may turn out to have undesirable ecological consequences, particularly
> if done on a large scale.  When you take "cool" *out*, you're putting "warm"
> *in*, and heating up an area surrounding your heat exchanger; in essence
> creating a little micro-climate.  To the extent that some species take a
> liking to that warm zone, they can be wiped out when you switch off the
> system for a prolonged period.  Perhaps not significant unless on a larger
> scale; at which point another effect kicks in, namely interference with the
> natural convective cycles in the lake.
> 
> I'd be very careful with this kind of stuff; more research is indicated.
 
I recall something called a thermocline, a horizontal separation
of lake water temperatures which is inverted but balanced for
part of the year. The thermocline dumps annually, recirculating 
deep and shallow water (and nutrients). Alterations of 
temperatures at various levels could shift the thermocline 
inversion date. A shift of a couple weeks could have major 
ecological impacts.

There may be ways to accomplish the intended task without
disrupting this thermocline cycle. Keep an eye out for 
environmentally responsible limits, adaptations, opportunities,
etc... I don't claim to know all the details, but expect 
consultation with lake biologists, fisheries, hydrologists, 
etc, might be worthwile. They might even know of specific 
water bodies which would *benefit* from thermal adjustment. :-)

Thermal banking in lake water could be used in summer AND
winter if done responsibly. Technically, it works both ways.

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From afn07038@freenet.ufl.edu Wed Jul 26 00:46:17 EDT 1995
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Hi, as I'm sure everyone here realizes,standard insulation  SLOWS down the 
movement of heat, it does not stop it. One the house I just built in MO, 
as in the last 2 other commercial buildings, I put a double roof on:

Painted galv. steel roofing
purlins
2" spacer running vertically (up and down the slope of the roof)
	this is screened at both the top and bottom, continous opening 
	at both top and bottom, to create a sheet of air moving under the 
	metal roofing to cary away heat, and keep the underside of the metal
	dry (re: condensation).
White rolled roofing (50 yr. warantee for use not exposed to the sun)
plywood
------------    denny paper once, not sure it's needed
2 X 8's on 2' centers with 7.5" fiberglass insulation
vapor barrier
---------------  denny paper   ( perf. foil faced kraft paper)
finished ceiling (tongue and groove or drywall)
4 X 6 rough sawn beams on 4' centers

this was for a cathedral ceiling......
A great construction advantage was building from the bottom up, not 
having to put drywall ( part was drywall) overhead, but placing the 
beams, then the drywall, then the  2x8's etc......

The house is shaded, earth sheltered on the north and 50% of the east and 
west, and has the chases built to hook up earth tubes.....

Feedback on this would be appriciated, but last summer, without the earth 
tubes, consistantly over 100 F outside, this house did hit an 
uncomfortable without a fan 82 F.
Robert

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From saturn@crash.cts.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:18 EDT 1995
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Mike Jamison (ADF) (edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: In article <prosen.56.01817DA2@interaccess.com>, prosen@interaccess.com (Phil Rosenberg) writes...
: >In article <14JUL199517321700@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Mike Jamison (ADF)) writes:
: >>From: edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Mike Jamison (ADF))
: >>Subject: Re: Storage of winter cold for summer A/C (Re: What is solar cooling?)
: >>Date: 14 Jul 1995 17:32 EDT
: > 
: >Mike,
: > 
: >Interesting idea....Any idea how cold the bottom of Lake Michigan gets in the 
: >summer?  Same idea could be interesting in Chicago.

: I believe lake Michigan is the deepest of the Great Lakes [700 ft, if I'm not
: mistaken]

: Lake Erie is the shallowest - about 50 ft. average depth, 200 ft. max.

: So, I'd guess Lake Michigan would have the same temperature near its bottom 
: as Erie does - just a lot more water at that temp.

: > 
: >Phil Rosenberg, President, UTIL, Inc.
: > 
: > 
: >>A recent issueof Popular Science discusses an idea the Canadians have 
: >for>using the very cold water in lake Erie [it's at 4 C, in the bottom of the
: >>lake, and accumulates each winter due to water being at its highest density
: >>at 4 degrees C - if I remember right] as air conditioning for the buildings
: >>in some of their major cities.
: > 
: >>The idea is to simply build a pipeline that reaches the required depth, and
: >>to pump the water through heat exchangers in the buildings, then back into the
: >>lake.



From rwa@cs.athabascau.ca Wed Jul 26 00:46:19 EDT 1995
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From: rwa@cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander)
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hatunen@netcom.com (DaveHatunen) writes:

>In article <19JUL199517550350@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>,
>Mike Jamison (ADF) <edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>So, I'd guess Lake Michigan would have the same temperature near its bottom 
>>as Erie does - just a lot more water at that temp.
>Your logic escapes me. . .

The water at the bottom of any freshwater lake that freezes over
anually is damn close to 4oC.  That's the temperature of the highest
density for freshwater.

regards,
Ross
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From rwa@cs.athabascau.ca Wed Jul 26 00:46:20 EDT 1995
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From: rwa@cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander)
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petri@geko.com.au (Petri Sakkinen) writes:

>In article <14JUL199517321700@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>,
>edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Mike Jamison (ADF)) wrote:

>>The idea is to simply build a pipeline that reaches the required depth, and
>>to pump the water through heat exchangers in the buildings, then back into the
>>lake.

>Before these systems are introduced in large scale, the ecological impact
>of the resulting higher water temperatures should be thoroughly
>investigated. Technologically and financially brilliant as such a system
>might seem, it may cause serious problems to some vital parts of the lake
>ecosystem that _require_ those low temperatures.

Bruce and Pickering nuclear stations have been doing this for decades,
and we're talking 1000's of megawatts thermal.  Has anyone published?

regards,
Ross
--
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In article <19JUL199517550350@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>,
Mike Jamison (ADF) <edwlt12@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> wrote:

[...]

>I believe lake Michigan is the deepest of the Great Lakes [700 ft, if I'm not
>mistaken]

The people who finally found the Edmund Fitzgerald in Lake Superior
will be mighty surprised to hear that. . .

>Lake Erie is the shallowest - about 50 ft. average depth, 200 ft. max.

Well, you got one right, anyway.

>So, I'd guess Lake Michigan would have the same temperature near its bottom 
>as Erie does - just a lot more water at that temp.

Your logic escapes me. . .





-- 


    ********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@netcom.com) **********
    *     Daly City California: almost San Francisco      *
    *   but with parking and lower car insurance rates    *
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From saturn@crash.cts.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:22 EDT 1995
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Robert G. Marsh (afn07038@freenet.ufl.edu) wrote:
: Hi, as I'm sure everyone here realizes,standard insulation  SLOWS down the 
: movement of heat, it does not stop it. One the house I just built in MO, 
: as in the last 2 other commercial buildings, I put a double roof on:

: Painted galv. steel roofing
: purlins
: 2" spacer running vertically (up and down the slope of the roof)
: 	this is screened at both the top and bottom, continous opening 
: 	at both top and bottom, to create a sheet of air moving under the 
: 	metal roofing to cary away heat, and keep the underside of the metal
: 	dry (re: condensation).
: White rolled roofing (50 yr. warantee for use not exposed to the sun)
: plywood
: ------------    denny paper once, not sure it's needed
: 2 X 8's on 2' centers with 7.5" fiberglass insulation
: vapor barrier
: ---------------  denny paper   ( perf. foil faced kraft paper)
: finished ceiling (tongue and groove or drywall)
: 4 X 6 rough sawn beams on 4' centers

: this was for a cathedral ceiling......
: A great construction advantage was building from the bottom up, not 
: having to put drywall ( part was drywall) overhead, but placing the 
: beams, then the drywall, then the  2x8's etc......

: The house is shaded, earth sheltered on the north and 50% of the east and 
: west, and has the chases built to hook up earth tubes.....

: Feedback on this would be appriciated, but last summer, without the earth 
: tubes, consistantly over 100 F outside, this house did hit an 
: uncomfortable without a fan 82 F.
: Robert

      82?  the warmest it got was 82 degrees?  without the fan?  My house 
is often 100degrees when it is only 90 outside.  The way my AC sucks up 
energy, I may as well comission my own spillgate at the local dam.




From gg@well.sf.ca.us Wed Jul 26 00:46:23 EDT 1995
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Re. r kamins' item, "where are the people with the guts and vision to build
great
buildings, style be damned?  that's what we lack, not architects who
can think of great things, but people who demand them. "

What we lack is banks which will *fund* them.  Anything unconventional is a
greater risk in terms of its commodity value, in a society where all other
values are sublimated to commodity.  It's easier to put lowest-common-
denominator drek into play in the speculative real estate market, because
it's all been done before, than it is to count on the future sale of
something innovative & imaginative.

If we had something like an equitable distribution of wealth and the kind of
middle-class security which characterised the late 1950s to late 60s, there
would be more money in circulation to do wild things with.  At present
what's needed would be something like a cooperative / entrepreneurial bank r
(or) credit union with some creative ideas about using its capital.



From gcf@panix.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:24 EDT 1995
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gg@well.sf.ca.us (George A. Gleason):
| Re. r kamins' item, "where are the people with the guts and vision to build
| great
| buildings, style be damned?  that's what we lack, not architects who
| can think of great things, but people who demand them. "
| 
| What we lack is banks which will *fund* them.  ...

Hey, I'll make my point again.  Different words.

There are, indeed, wealthy people with guts and vision who
have paid for strikingly beautiful buildings -- at least, I
like them.  But wealthy people, although they have more
money, are otherwise pretty much like _hoi_polloi_: a lot of
them are unimaginative, dumb, overcautious, dead between the
ears, etc. etc. etc.

Including bankers, George.

What I would like to see is architects who will take
smaller commissions to work on smaller projects like
stores, churches, offices, and homes, and I'd like to see
architectural critics and commentators take some notice of
them so we can find out about them.  Just as there are a
few people with guts and vision among the rich, there are
people with guts and vision among the not-so-rich; and
because there are more not-so-rich than rich, there is more
not-so-rich guts'n'vision out there to fund guts'n'vision
architecture.  If there's any cutting edge, this is where
most of it is likely to be.

Imagine if Van Gogh had had to get a hundred million dollars
together before embarking on "Irises" or "The Starry Night."
-- 
   }"{  Gordon Fitch  }"{  gcf@panix.com  }"{


From nab@cix.compulink.co.uk Wed Jul 26 00:46:26 EDT 1995
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mae@macppc.demon.co.uk (Mark Eady) wrote:

>Does the RIBA have a WWW home page?

I *very* much doubt it :-(

> Call back in about ten
> years when they might just have got their drawings collection
> sorted out and can turn their collective skills to something else.

Make that twenty ;-)

I was wandering around last night and noticed that all the various US
architectural professional bodies are on the net.....together with
loads of architects' practices.

Do you know of *any* UK practices that have so much as a home page?

----------------------------------------------
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  nab@cix.compulink.co.uk
  http://www.u-net.com/~birchall/
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From petri@geko.com.au Wed Jul 26 00:46:27 EDT 1995
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In article <805290845.28847@imp.demon.co.uk>,
colette@.newhomes.demon.co.uk () wrote:

>I'm in the process of formulating a research proposal on 'The Use of
>Computer Simulation to Predict the Dynamics of Housing Communities'.
>My idea is to devise an application which will assess  the residents
>of  intentional communities, as a prelude to the design phase. 
>Their needs in terms of personality and lifestyle, will be allowed to
>influence the outcome of the community, by feeding into a CAD prog.
>and varying pre-determined parameters.

Steve, 

Sounds like a very worthwhile project! 

You might start by trying to find one of the about 100 sets of the
proceedings of '4th International Conference on Computers and Urban
Planning and Urban Management', which was held last week in Melbourne,
Australia. Some of the almost 100 papers were quite relevant ot your
situation. There were quite a few people from the UK down here: try
contacting planning and geography departments of some bigger universities
and if everything else fails, send me line. (The papers are supposed to
become available for ftp at Melbourne University, but that may take some
time.)  

Regards and good luck!

Petri 
Melbourne/Sydney, Australia 

PS Forget CAD (as it is normally understood), think GIS. (And when
thinking GIS, forget MapInfo, think vector. If I lost you, don't worry.
You'll see what I meant when you really get into it.) Some CAD-programs
can, however, act as the graphic end of a GIS: there are GIS add-ons for
AutoCAD and MicroStation, MiniCAD has a built-in database which can, with
some Pascal-programming (amateur level is enough) be used as a simple
mapping tool, not as a full GIS (topology virtually impossible to
implement). The key is, however, a good relational database. 

PPS Alternative housing or mainstream/commercial? 

PPPS Hairy-chested GIS-professionals may not take warm and fuzzy things
such as 'personality' or 'lifestyle' seriously. :-)


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Hello, Tim! 

You may -- as a CompuServe subscriber -- have witnessed by exchange uf
unpleasancies with the esteemed non-establishment fighter from the AIA on
CompuServe CAD-forum! Well, I am here as well, ranting and raving about
openness. 

1. Architects should be on line. And in public meetings. And in community
groups. And in local government.

2. Architects (defined as 'people being educated in architectural
departments of reputable universities') should open all channels of
communication with the community at large. If they don't _they_ will be
the losers. (In the long term, the community will also suffer.)  

3. If architects are exclusive, the first people they exclude are
themselves: they exclude themselves from the whole community. The
community won't even notice their pompous, self-important exclusivity.
This is the highway to final obsolescence. (Remember, the last signpost
already said 'Irrelevancy'.) 

Best, 


Petri


From sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca Wed Jul 26 00:46:30 EDT 1995
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My grandfather homesteaded in the Peace River country in the early
thirties.  The second building they made was the icehouse. While they
didn't use it for airconditioning, they did use it for cold storage.  
They cut blocks off the pond in midwinter.

On the east side of Lake Winnipeg is the remnants of a fish house.  They
harvested enough ice each winter to pack ice for the entire summer fish
catch.

More on numbers:  If an acre of ice farm saves 20K in electrical costs,
then this is what you should use to measure the profit of the ice farm.
Looking at the street price is a bit misleading, because that includes
all the marketing overhead.


--
Sherwood Botsford          #  Contract Unix system admin & troubleshooting 
Physics Dept               #  Tech writing, Desktop Publishing.
University of Alberta      #  Image processing.        
Edmonton, AB, T6G 2J1      #  492-3713  sherwood@space.ualberta.ca


From jstanley@gate.net Wed Jul 26 00:46:31 EDT 1995
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In article <3um101$imk@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
will1000@ix.netcom.com (Will Stewart ) wrote:
> In <DBwGn1.CJ1@crash.cts.com> saturn@crash.cts.com (Elaine Gallegos)
> writes: 
> >
> >  Just under the surface of the ground the temperature is a constant
> >55 degrees or so. I do not know the details of construction, but I
> >watched a t.v. show where the homeowner incorporated a ground heat
> >sink into a new house.  The drilling co. came out, and drilled some
> >very deep holes.  The air is pumped out of the house, and through some
> >underground metal pipe.  Hot air goes in, and gets cooled down to the
> >temperature of the ground.  It's then pumped back into the house.
>  > No complicated technology, very low energy use, no need to build an
> >in basement ice holding area.  What's more, it never wears out, or
> >melts.  
> >No worries about all the ice melting before the heatwave is over.
> 
> I've been told the same thing by my energy advisor; they're called
> underground cooling tubes.  Similar in concept to horizontal ground
> loop heat pumps, but without the heat pumps.  
> 
> My concern, echoed by some HVAC practitioners and professors, is the
> effects of condensate in the tubes over a period of time.  Mold,
> mildew, etc would quickly turn this into a useless device.  I am in a
> high humidity area, so my situation is not going to be the same as
> someone in CA, CO, etc.

I have an earth tube, but the main part of it is made of 30"
well tile. The air goes down well tile 10' into the ground into
a concrete manhole. From there it flows horizontally through 15'
of extra reinforced well tile to another manhole that has well
tile going to the surface(which is capped). From the second
manhole the air flows underground through three 8" PVC pipes to
the basement.  The access to the second manhole is for the
purpose of cleaning out the system since both the horizontal
well tile and the PVC pipes are all accessible from there. The
entire system, should it ever be inundated with mold/mildew, can
be completely doused with bleach or peroxide.

--
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net



From jmarino222@aol.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:32 EDT 1995
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I am interested in building an earth-sheltered home.  I have done a
considerable amount of reading on the subject (i.e., Malcolm Wells, John
Carmody and Raymond Sterling, Angus Macdonald, etc.), but would be
interested in comments and observations from individuals who have had
practical experience with these structures.

In particular, I would be interested in information on the following:

	--  The advisability of building a domed-structure (such as
offered by Performance Building Systems) as opposed to box-type designs.

	--  The reliability of waterproofing in earth-sheltered designs.

	--  The need for air conditioning in these structures.

	--  The cost of earth-sheltered housing relative to conventional
construction.

	--  The ability of contractors to handle this type of
construction.

Any comments would be appreciated.  Thanks.


From rfoy@netcom.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:33 EDT 1995
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In article <DC4rwG.Moy@crash.cts.com>,
Elaine Gallegos <saturn@crash.cts.com> wrote:
>Robert G. Marsh (afn07038@freenet.ufl.edu) wrote:
>
>: Feedback on this would be appriciated, but last summer, without the earth 
>: tubes, consistantly over 100 F outside, this house did hit an 
>: uncomfortable without a fan 82 F.
>: Robert
>
>      82?  the warmest it got was 82 degrees?  without the fan?  My house 
>is often 100degrees when it is only 90 outside.  The way my AC sucks up 
>energy, I may as well comission my own spillgate at the local dam.


This is a clear demonstration of the ability to lower energy
consumption by sophisitcated efficiency.

I suspect that over the life of the house the total cost the
efficiency house will be much less than an equivalent conventinal one
using ari conditioning to maintain similar comfort levels.

-- 
"No truth will deny its own liberation" --author unknown 

URL ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/rf/rfoy/ai.html 
Amnesty International, Richard Foy. Los Angeles CA, USA


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In article <3ur703$hqq@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, davidf3264@aol.com (DavidF3264) says:
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>I was wondering if anyone can lend their expertise and tell me of any
>programs available by architectural firms or schools that would help in
>the development and preparation of high school students for this industry.
>
>Please feel free to E-mail me direct and I thank-you in advance for your
>efforts!
>
>David


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Subject: TEMPCOAT a NEW Liquid Ceramic Insulation Coating
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The following is information regarding the newest insulating material on the market which can be 
used on the exterior of buildings (roofs), interior of buildings  (wall insulation), exterior of hot or cold 
piping or any other building, unit or equipment which has an insulation issue.  It can increase 
insulating benefits while reducing required space for insulation materials.

I.  PRODUCT

TEMP-COAT  
Liquid Ceramic Insulation Coating.

II.  AVAILABILITY 

Capitran Inc.
21907 - 64th Ave. W., Suite 100
Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
FAX  206-776-6873
PH.   206-776-1258
email address: mlantz@nwlink.com
Internet address: http://www.hiwaynet.com

III.  DESCRIPTION 

TEMP-COAT  is a general purpose insulation which comes in liquid form, available in regular and 
fireproof formulation.
TEMP-COAT  provides an inexpensive alternative  to the high cost of industrial insulation.  Because 
it physically adheres to the surface that it is insulating, it significantly reduces corrosion  and rust 
formation.  Its use can greatly reduce the costs of other materials and increase the size of an interior 
space by eliminating the thickness of interior walls required to accomodate insulation.  Its use 
reduces both space and weight for any given structure or piece of equipment.  

Make Up:  TEMP-COAT  is a complete mixture of various silicas and ceramic beads immersed in a 
high quality latex base with acrylic binders.  This combination of materials makes the product 
extremely lightweight and pliable, therefore, it expands and contracts with the surface to which it is 
applied.  The resiliency of TEMP-COAT  allows it to double as a leak stop even though it is not sold 
or warranted for that purpose.

Other Properties:  TEMP-COAT  can be  tinted to virtually any medium to pastel color and the tinting 
does not effect the radiant effectiveness of the product.

Product Quality. TEMP- COAT  works well on both convective and conductive heat and cold.  
When used in ways not requiring solar reflective qualities, its effectiveness has different values.  
Unlike conventional insulation such as fiberglass batting, blankets, foam, fiber insulations, or 
calcium silicate type pre-formed insulation for piping, TEMP-COAT  is impervious to water and is not 
affected by salt water.  It forms a continuous covering, not sectioned, like an installed product. It 
also forms an excellent weatherproof coating over other forms of insulation. 

Product Limits:  TEMP-COAT  aids in sealing leaks but is not sold as a leak-stop material.  Product 
must be applied over a clean, dry, grease and dirt fee substrate.  Operating temperatures can be 
>from  -45 F to 550 F.  It can be applied from temperatures ranging from 45 F to 550 F.  On extremely 
warm to hot surfaces, beginning coats must be thin to avoid blistering.

IV.  APPLICATION  Apply TEMP-COAT   on a dry, clean, substrate which is free from oil, grease, 
wax or dirt.  Apply by use of spray equipment.  Spray equipment requirement: 5.4 GPM, 28:1 ratio 
airless sprayer with a .021 tip size.  Allow product to dry between coats.  This is a one coat system 
with curing time of 24 hours under normal conditions.  Brush or roller may be used for touch up, but 
is not recommended for full application.

Approximate Coverage:  Spray:  60 SF per gallon at 15 mil thickness on a flat surface.

Clean-Up:  TEMP-COAT  is a latex based product.  Clean up immediately after use with soap and 
water. Caution::  Use drop cloth and necessary protection  to prevent damage from drips or 
overspray under windy conditions.

V.  TEST RESULTS  TEMP-COAT  has been tested under a number of varying conditions to 
produce an "R" factor equivalence. 

ACCORDING TO TEST RESULTS, TEMP-COAT   WHEN APPLIED TO A THICKNESS OF 15 
MILS, PERFORMS AS WELL AS A 4" THICKNESS OF FOAM WITH AN R-20 RATING.  "R" 
FACTOR EQUIVALENCE NOTE:  Due to the absence of air flow, an "R" factor cannot be used 
and all tests are performed comparing the usefulness of this insulation with an "R" Factor 
Equivalence.

The product has also undergone a number of ASTM tests as follows:
FLAMMABILITY RESULTS TEST METHOD
Flame Spread 5  ASTM E-84
Smoke Developed 5

MECHANICAL PROPERTIES: 
Cross Hatch Adhesion l00% ASTM-3359
Tensile Strength(lb/iný)66.7% ASTM D-882
Elongation      65%

PHYSICAL PROPERTIES: 
Accelerated Aging:  Passed 200 Hours ASTM G-53 
Density (g/cm3)
AT 24c dried film   0.41 ASTM D-792
Weight per Gallon (in lbs. per gal) 5.94
Weight, Non-volatiles 43%
Brookfield  Viscosity
 #3 Spindle @ 30 rpm,
Centipoise     3564 
Thermo Conductivity ASTM  c-177
 (via guarded hotplate)

VI.  OTHER EXCEPTIONAL FEATURES

TEMP-COAT , in addition to its outstanding insulating qualities and superior adhesion, has low flame 
spread, is impact and abrasion resistant, is flexible and protects coated surfaces from ponding 
water, wind driven rain, cold-heat  cycling, chemical vapors, and mildew.  These qualities make it 
the standard in ceramic coatings.  

VII.  SHIPPING AND SUPPLY METHOD

TEMP-COAT  is  available FOB from the point of manufacture in Georgia.

VIII.  WARRANTY

Limited Warranty:  SPAN WORLD DISTRIBUTION,  div. of Southern Professional Leasing, Inc., 
warrants TEMP-COAT as an insulation under normal use and installation conditions for a period of 
ten years from the date of application.  Complete warranty information is  available upon request.

TEMP-COAT  IS A FEDERALLY APPROVED LIQUID INSULATION AND COATING MATERIAL.  
NATIONAL STOCK NUMBER;  NSN 8030-01-387-1027.

IX.  PERFORMANCE INFORMATION

Rooftop  installation:  15 mil thickness will reduce under roof temperatures by 20oF- 50oF.

Boiler installation:  60 mil thickness will reduce exterior boiler wall temperature by 120oF-l50oF. 

RV Installation:  15 mil thickness can provide an R20 insulation factor and increase the interior of 
RV unit by as much as 3 in. in width, depth and length.THE PRODUCT:  TEMP-COAT

-- ENVIRONMENTAL LIQUID INSULATION DEVELOPMENT:  TEMP-COAT  is the result of a 
scientific project, funded by NASA (The National Aeronautics and Space Administration), to 
formulate an insulating material with which to re-coat the ceramic tiles on the U.S. Space Shuttles.  
The project was a success.  The product is currently used by NASA as an insulating material on the 
Space Shuttle's cargo bay. 

PRODUCT COMPOSITION:  Temp-Coat  is a single container, composite product comprised of 
80% innovative, air-filled, microscopic ceramic and silicon beads, held in suspension by latex acrylic 
binder.  The key to Temp-Coat's remarkable insulating capability is in the beads, which serve to 
both encapsulate and "share" the heating/cooling burden.  Temp-Coat achieves its capability to 
adhere to nearly all properly prepared surfaces while remaining flexible as a result of the carefully 
blended combination of latex and acrylics.  Additionally, due to the latex material Temp-Coat  
continually maintains its capability to expand and contract, as necessary, based on the temperature 
conditions of both the atmosphere and the surface to which it is applied.  Temp-Coat's  primary color 
is brilliant white, although it can be tinted to the mid-range of any color. It can also be oversprayed 
with any colored paint to achieve a specific, darker tone, if that is desired.  

APPLICATION:  Temp-Coat  is best applied, in projects of significant size, by use of an airless spray 
unit.  We recommend the use of an airless spray unit with the capacity to pump at least 5.4 gallons 
per minute and utilizing a spray tip of approximately 0.21" (depending on the surface to be coated). 
Temp-Coat  can also be applied using a smooth textured brush or roller.

MIXING:  For ease of mixing and storage, Temp-Coat  is packaged in 5 gallon, hard plastic pails.  
Temp-Coat  is ready to use as it is packaged.  No additives or product combination is required.  
Temp-Coat  is best mixed using a standard "Mud" paddle, (normally used to mix light plaster 
materials or dry wall compound), powered by a 1/2" electric variable speed drill.  The mixing paddle 
should be initially inserted through the "Bead Layer" (upper two thirds) or crust observed at the top 
of the product when the pail is opened.  The mixing paddle should then be manually moved up and 
down a few times through the crust to draw the latex acrylic up from the bottom of the pail.  After 
this is done, the mixing paddle should be operated with the drill at a relatively slow speed to blend 
the material.  Mixing too harshly may crush the insulating beads.  When properly mixed, Temp-Coat  
will have a smooth, creamy texture, with no lumps or foreign matter.  Temp-Coat  is not a paint, it is 
an insulating coating.  Thus it is not desirable to use high speeds with the mud paddle trying to 
make Temp-Coat look like ordinary paint.

SURFACE PREPARATION:  Temp-Coat  will adhere to nearly all types of surfaces: metals, wood, 
plastic, glass, plexiglass, etc.  Surfaces should be prepared in a manner similar to that required for 
proper adhesion of normal paint: clean, free of dirt, rust, grease or other foreign matter such as 
scales, paint chips, etc.  Surfaces must be dry at the time of the application.  Hot metal surfaces 
may require a more thorough preparation, such as wire brushing, to ensure best adhesion.  New 
metal surfaces may require removal of temporary preservative coatings.  A light combination of 
vinegar and water works well.

APPLICATION:  (TECHNIQUES AND POINTERS)  Temp-Coat  is an extremely easy product to 
apply.  The application, temperature parameters for Temp-Coat  allow the product to be applied, in 
most situations, without disrupting service or shutting down a "hot" system.  These application 
parameters are:  45oF. to 550oF.  7.2oC to 288oC.  The drying time for Temp-Coat  will vary 
depending on the temperature of the surface to which it is applied and the ambient temperature and 
humidity in the area.  Temp-Coat  must be applied in successive thin coats, and each coat must be 
allowed to dry prior to application of the next coat.  Temp-Coat  may be applied in as many coats as 
are necessary to accomplish the required surface temperature, allowing great flexibility in the 
treatment of problem areas.  "Curing time" for Temp-Coat  is about 24 hours.   When applying, 
Temp-Coat  to surfaces with an existing temperature of approximately 200 degrees F. (or 93.3 
degrees C.) or more the product will routinely adhere better if a very slight amount of water is added 
for the initial l or 2 coats.  This "slight amount" should be no more than 1 pint of water for 5 gallons 
of Temp-Coat .  1 gallon of Temp-Coat  at a 15-18 mil thickness, will cover approximately 50-60 
square feet (4.65 - 5.58 square meters).  Calculations for applications to corrugated metal surfaces 
(exterior roofs, sidings, etc. should include an additional 20% to allow for the sides of each ridge in 
the panel).  

BENEFITS:  Temp-Coat  is "environmentally friendly", containing no toxic or hazardous substances 
or materials.  Because Temp-Coat adheres directly to the surface it virtually eliminates the potential 
for surface corrosion, unlike "wrapping" type or mastic insulation.  Temp-Coat  significantly reduces, 
or eliminates the possibility for condensation.  Temp-Coat can be used to insulate valves, flanges, 
joints, etc. which cannot otherwise be effectively insulated using "wraps" or mastic insulations.  
Temp-Coat is light in weight (5.94 pounds per gallon) and easy to apply.  Temp-Coat  insulation 
does not require complete removal for surface inspections.  Temp-Coat  can be "touched up" after 
minor structural repairs.  Temp-Coat  is flexible, expands and contracts with the surface.  Temp-Coat 
 is a cost effective, energy efficient product that can be used on a variety of both hot and cold 
surfaces.

IMPRESSIVE RESULTS USING THIS CERAMIC COATING 

ATLANTA GAS LIGHT COMPANY    "Since spraying our roof with your ceramic coating, we have 
had no further water leaks and have reduced our cooling costs considerably.  It is really a fine 
product that performs as promised."  

FINA OIL AND CHEMICAL COMPANY     When applied on hot oil tanks and heater treaters, keeps 
oil at constant temperature, preventing loading difficulties from hardening of oil. 

THE UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA  Cooperative Extension Service feed bin test indicates inside air 
space temperature of bin coated was 27 degrees lower than uncoated bin.

EXXON CORPORATION  Reduced oil well pipe line temperatures by over l00 degrees.  Previously, 
the extreme temperature of this well caused all other coatings to fail.  The ceramic coating is 
continuing to provide insulation.

THE GARLINGTON GROUP  ".....sealed roof and stopped water leaks."

SHELL WESTERN  Reduced office building temperature by 20 degrees and reduced highly 
concentrated well head temperature by l00 degrees.

GULF COAST SULPHUR CORPORATION  "Before, one could not place hands closer than l8" to 
300 degree pipes.  After applying this ceramic coating one can easily place hands directly on the 
area.  It is doing an excellent job for us."

DAVIS BROTHERS CONTRACTORS  "This ceramic coating has reduced office temperature by 
30% and electric bill dropped 25%.  Also one coating effectively eliminated roof leaks after several 
attempts with other materials."

JO-DE EQUIPMENT RENTALS  "...Material is easy to apply and so far seems impervious to 
weather conditions."  It reduced temperatures of exhaust systems on offshore drilling equipment 
>from  360 degrees to a temperature that can be touched with bare hands..."We feel this product 
satisfies the requirements of M.M.S. for offshore exhaust insulation."

SOUTH GEORGIA HOMEOWNER  "...I wanted to tell you it really works.  Even before you 
finished, the temperature in the attic was the same as the outside temperature and this is really 
amazing.  I believe a 40% savings is possible on air-conditioning cost."

AMERICAN REFRIGERATION & ICE  Coated top of delivery truck and lowered temperature from 
melting point to steady temperature of 12 degrees eliminating condensation and the loss of several 
sacks of ice.

CAMP SHELBY, MISSISSIPPI  "...find it to be an effective coating for metal, cinder, and concrete. 
 After application of approximately l/8" of ceramic coating, two 24,000 Btu units are adequate for all 
seasons." (three 24,000 Btu units had been inadequate previously).

CORPUS CHRISTI ARMY DEPOT (CCAD)  "Everyone who has visited Building 1200 since our 
roof was treated has volunteered their building for treatment with TempCoat  and Last-A-Span as 
soon as possible."  Since Temp-Coat was applied.  "we have had no leaks and the air conditioning 
system now cycles off and on.  Before the building was treated, the air conditioning system ran all 
day without ever cycling and without very effective cooling." 



From pimbroglio@aol.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:36 EDT 1995
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Correct my if I'm wrong, but a lot of the previous messages here ask the
question, and try to answer "Why is there no architecture rivaling the
great buildings of Italy, Europe, etc?"

My own thoughts on the subject amount to three different areas. 
First, and most simply, we always have to look deep into ourselves and
recognise when we are falling victime to a "grass is always greener"
argument. Sure there are some damn fine buildings on this earth of ours
but perhaps we are unimpressed by today's architecture because it is just
that: a product of the culture we live in and because of that it may not
seem as exotic as Giotto or Bramante.
Secondly, a lot of the architecture the previous messages seem to be
pining for come from Europe. Not only that, many of them date to a time
when city planning (as we sort of know it today) was arising. For that
reason, many of the buildings had a specific purpose from the moment they
were proposed. This is far from our own practices which usually include
building something that fits in a zone (residential, office, industrial).
Such zoning practices can never anticipate the specific nature  of its
future occupants and therefore can never really be fleshed out in a way
that would uniquely reflect that occupant. 
Which brings me to my third point which is ideology. For whatever reasons
(thoughts anyone?) many of the 'great classics' of architecture are
structures which were house very specific ideologies (churches, museums,
palaces). Perhaps such a strong sense of what a structure was to enclose
gave architects a more detailed and unique idea for that structure. 
And this just occured to me as well. Could the absense of access account
for what we see as widely varying and bold styles in architecture? If
artists were denied the opportunity to see work from faraway places, would
that not somehow fuel a greater number of regional styles and interests? 


From barock@falcon.cc.ukans.edu Wed Jul 26 00:46:38 EDT 1995
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davidf3264@aol.com (DavidF3264) wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone can lend their expertise and tell me of any
>programs available by architectural firms or schools that would help in
>the development and preparation of high school students for this industry.
>
>Please feel free to E-mail me direct and I thank-you in advance for your
>efforts!
>
>David


What kind of help are you looking for?  Advice is easy and cheap!

Some advice:

Have students take as many English, mathematics, and science (including
physics) courses as possible.  Have them take one course in CAD, but
also a course in freehand sketching.  Don't try to teach them "archi-
tecture" because the first year of studio is intended to break all
preconceptions.

For your students who are interested in the technical or construction
aspects of buildings, have them consider architectural engineering.

Students should apply for admission early in their second to last 
semester.

You and your students can get more information on the architecture and 
architectural engineering programs at KU from:

Lois Clark, Asst. Dean
School of Architecture and Urban Design
The University of Kansas
Marvin Hall
Lawrence, KS 66045
(913) 864-5126

-- 

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Brian A. Rock, Ph.D., P.E.   Voice:  (913) 864-3434
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Lawrence, Kansas 66045-2222  Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU!
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From julie@hotwired.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:39 EDT 1995
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HotWired Job Openings - SHELTER (alternative housing)

HotWired <http://www.hotwired.com> seeks an editorial assistant
and production assistant for SHELTER, a new section
investigating alternative housing solutions. In Shelter, we will
explore the diversity of human dwelling to create a blueprint
for housing for the 21st century. Along the way, we will collect
tools and ideas to share among a community of individuals who
are investigating creative approaches to their living spaces.
All applicants must have a deep curiosity and fascination for
the where and how of human habitat, and be able to discuss their
views and visions in some detail. If you aren't interested in
alternative housing, these jobs aren't for you.

The editorial assistant will work closely with the section
editor to gather, select, edit, write, and format material for
Shelter's content sections and databases. Strong skills and some
editorial experience is essential. The ability to work
independently in a chaotic environment under weekly deadlines is
expected.

The production assistant  will oversee acquisition, production
and formatting of hypermedia material, along with some design
work. Web experience and agility is essential. Familiarity with
Macs, Photoshop, Premiere, and sound editing programs is
strongly preferred. The production assistant will also work
closely with HotWired engineering to develop and maintain
Shelter databases. Information interface and organization skills
are extremely desirable.

Both applicants will play strong roles in the growth of
Shelter. Expect the concept of "position" to grow fuzzy when we
get collective and the ideas fly start flying. If you think you
have something to offer, but it doesn't fit into one of the
above categories...send us a pitch. If you don't want to work
for HotWired - but you have something to contribute, send us
email. If you just want to talk about the weird places you've
lived - we're eager to listen.

These are entry-level positions. Salaries are admittedly low,
but they do get better! And hey, you get to live in San
Francisco and pursue a very cool idea with very cool people.
Send cover letters and resumes (ASCII-only/no attachments),
along with URLs when available to shelter@hotwired.com.

If you're not interested in working on Shelter, but you are
interested in working at HotWired, send email to
joblist@hotwired.com for a complete and up-to-date listing of
all available positions.


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Re Hebel blocks:  When you say  "aerated" blocks, is that as in air-
entrained...?  I can't recall seeing aluminum oxide on any list of air-
entraining agents I'm familiar with... do you have any more info on the mix
design or its properties (ie. compressive strength, etc.)



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A better approach to heating a room may be to take the wall warmer (or 
any flat plate collector) and exit the heat into concentric ducts 
underneath the floor to heat the floor. The earth could store the heat 
and presuming you have perimeter insulation could store lots of heat.

I have seen a similar idea in Oregon once and it seemed to work well. 
The advantages would be no noise from blowers and no mold from ducting 
entering the living space. Also, floor heat is said to be most 
comfortable. This presumes building into new construction and would seem 
to me to be hard to retrofit.

Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
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              Institute for Planetary Renewal
"Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design"




From carroll@ranger.enet.dec.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:42 EDT 1995
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I painted the roof on my shed white using an elastomeric paint, and the 
temp. inside stays pretty cool even with full sun shining on it all day. 
I've read somewhere that white elastomeric will only heat up to about 80f 
(I think from one of the manufactures lit), so inside it stays pretty 
cool with just an air flow from windows to skylights. 

We're building our home right now (40ft dome) and will again use 
elastomeric as the final coating. We've also kept a huge rock in the sun 
room for heating/cooling, plus a stone masonry stove in addition to earth 
tubes. All our windows and skylights are angled for winter sun, so in the 
summer, they don't get any direct light.


Bruce Carroll
Virtual Mountain
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I think the idea of solar air conditioning is too limiting. What about 
night sky refrigeration which uses no sun at all (maybe we should call 
it Moonlight Air Conditioning). Or what about the idea of storing 
winter's coolth for summer cooling of refrigerators and living space. 
The idea of using the sun for cooling seems absurd which the night sky 
is already at absolute zero (or nearly so radiantly speaking). So how 
about using the terms Natural Air Conditioning or Natural Heating?

Other suggestions?

Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
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              Institute for Planetary Renewal
"Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design"




From 102472.632@CompuServe.COM Wed Jul 26 00:46:44 EDT 1995
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 Huge underground homes are available in the form of 
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would be well served to investigate this special offering. Also 
of mention is the fact that these structures require little 
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      Located in Kansas (close to Kansas City) where the cost of 
living is low and the problems of the big city are far away, 
these properties are being offered starting at the price of 
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      For more information about how you could own these 
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In article <DC14As.ItJ@crash.cts.com>, saturn@crash.cts.com (Elaine Gallegos) says:
>
>George A. Gleason (gg@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:
>
>
>: Solar: well, when I see the words "active" and "passive" together like that
>: I can't help but think of something vaguely erotic going on; better to drop
>: the distinction since its meaning is diminishing; and, that done, we will
>: probably rid ourselves of a bunch of people whose emotional constitution
>: thrives on dichotomies.
>
>: Item (2), I would think that thermal-based cooling systems are more direct &
>: therefore efficient than going through conversion to electricity.  However,
>: this might be going at it backwards; after all one could do that geothermal
>: cooling thing by drilling a couple of holes in the ground to circulate air
>: through and get it back at 55-degrees F.  Then the solar power could operate
>: the fans which move the air, and that would seem to be more efficient than
>: using the solar power to drive a system which must create a heat
>: differential.  (BTW as you might guess, I'm out of my field here...)
>
>  I think that we need to constentrate on cutting down heat gain in the 
>first place, and consern ourselves with cooling the air down secondarily.
> If the air itself is 90degrees, we only need to cool it down say 10 
>degrees to be reasonably comfortable, and only 15 degrees to be 
>completely comfortable.  No problem for your cooling system to just take 
>it down 15 degrees.
>  Solar heat gain however is like holding a match to one side, and an ice 
>cube to the other.  Your cooling system is going to have to work as hard 
>as it can just to duct away part of the solar heat gain.  You can't even 
>work on cooling the air those few degees it would take to make all the 
>difference in the world.
>  Of course, ideally, we will begin to design out buildings not to have 
>tremendous heat gain in the first place.  We have all had the experience 
>of being out on a blazing hot day, then finding shade under some very 
>dense trees.  Amazingly, we find that it is some 20% cooler under the 
>shade of the trees.  True, trees transpire, and literally cool the air 
>under them, but also what is going on is that in that space under the 
>tree, you're not getting any heat gain.  No complicated electrical 
>cooling system here.
>  What we need to do is to work out methods of reducing heat gain in our 
>present structures.  This is what I have been working on this summer.  I 
>bought some opaque silver tarps, which have been installed over the two 
>walls that are exposed to the sun most during the day.  Covering one room 
>at a time, it seems that the tarps are effective in reducing heat gain.
>  My other big challege will be the roof.  On one end, the ceiling is all 
>open beam.  I have decided to try sprinkers on the roof.  The first 
>attempt was a failure.... insufficient water pressure to for any decent 
>coverage... my coolant ended up all over the ground.  Next, I will 
>purchase some soaker hose and find a way to keep the water on the roof 
>without run off.
>  Another thing that might work is finding a way to stretch a reflective 
>tarp over the top of the house for some dense shade.
>
Someone at Davis Energy Group (Davis, Ca) came up with a water ballast 
roof which they used on the roof of a post office in Sacramento.  In hot,
dry climates this is a great alternative.  Others are using white, polyvinyl 
or rubber roofing which cuts down on the solar gain and insulates at the
same time.  However, if you live in an area that needs heat more than cool
then you should use black rubber roofing to get more solar radiation and
still insulate


From pangloss8@aol.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:46 EDT 1995
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       Eugene Tsui is alive and well, designing wonderfully inventive
structures.  He was born in Cleveland in 1954, studied at Columbia and the
University of Oregon, apprenticed with Bruce Goff, and has taught at
Western Washington University. He also finished a house for his parents in
Berkeley, California earlier this year.  There is a nice but short article
on his work in A+U, April '86. 
        You might enjoy a trip to Chicago this summer to see an amazing
exhibition at The Art Institute on his friend and mentor, Bruce Goff.
There is also an accompanying catalog/book available through any
well-stocked bookstore which traces the development of Goff's art, music
and architecture. 
         Some of Tsui's correspondence with Goff is kept in the Goff
Archives at The Art Institute. Tsui was associated with Goff at the end of
Goff's life in the late 70s and early 80s, and the parallels in thinking
and design are quite evident.


From kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Wed Jul 26 00:46:47 EDT 1995
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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
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In article <3uu8ll$b0k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jmarino222@aol.com (JMarino222) writes:
> I am interested in building an earth-sheltered home.  I have done a
 
> 	--  The reliability of waterproofing in earth-sheltered designs.

I am building a concrete-shell earth-sheltered house right now. Have
discussed this issue with 5 different people who have built such.
'waterproofing' is not only 'added' waterproofing materials (of
which current products do an excellent job), but also requires
thought concerning the construction process. I.e. you need to
provide as many 'backup' mechanisms as is reasonable to help
the situation.  

I'm using:
1) French drains
2) cutting form straps below the surface and patching
3) applying a water-based interior concrete sealer on ceiling,
   walls, floor and as the first coat on exterior cold joints.
4) trowel-grade exterior sealer with nylon webbing on exterior
   cold joints
5) Exterior rolled-on (as in paint roller) sealer
6) cap floors poured on top of 1/2" of sand on the footings
   which will be back-filled (on the outside). This is to
   provide water with a path - under the floor - if it does
   get through the footing/wall cold joint
7) 6 mil poly under the floors (see #6)
8) 6 mil poly on top of the exterior waterproofing
9) 4" layer of chat (limestone 'dust') against the exterior
   poly to prevent any rocks from cutting through the poly/
   waterproofing.
10) another 6 mil poly layer above the blueboard insulation
   just below the soil layer in the backfill

> 	--  The need for air conditioning in these structures.

Heat/cooling isn't the primary problem. Humidity is. A/C
units make pretty good dehumidifiers but may drop the temp.
too much.  I ahve been working with Carrier A/C Engineers
here in San Antonio in designing a unit which will primarily
dehumidify for actually less than the cost of a conventionally
sized unit. This requires the new variable-speed GE fan motors
running at a lower nominal speed than normal and an undersized
condensor with an oversized evaporator.  This covers the topic
waaay too fast, but our figures are showing a 1.5 ton condensor
unit to handle 2400 sq feet the way my house is being built.
(this is in San Antonio, TX, where it's 102 deg. outside right
now)   I also am controlling the sources of humidity, such as
bathrooms, etc, using ~100 ft long 4" PVC intake air tubes.
These act like small 'cool tubes' for the duration of the time
they are required to evacuate humidity from the isolated
bathrooms, etc.  I also have a similar arrangement for venting
the refrig/freezer.

> 	--  The cost of earth-sheltered housing relative to conventional
> construction.

My construction is a bit more conventional than the balloon-form
monolithic domes, but is still a monolithic pour using a custom
dome form with conventional aluminum wall forms.  Cost, including
backfill, etc. appears to be about the same as conventional frame
construction.  Not that the shell is substantially more expensive,
but the interior is much less expensive.

> 	--  The ability of contractors to handle this type of
> construction.

Not very many...  Took me months to find one - in a nearby city.
 
-- 
Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently"


From jjr@atlanta.com Wed Jul 26 00:46:48 EDT 1995
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From: jjr@atlanta.com (Jim Riticher)
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mlantz@nwlink.com wrote:

>V.  TEST RESULTS  TEMP-COAT  has been tested under a number of varying conditions to 
>produce an "R" factor equivalence. 

>ACCORDING TO TEST RESULTS, TEMP-COAT   WHEN APPLIED TO A THICKNESS OF 15 
>MILS, PERFORMS AS WELL AS A 4" THICKNESS OF FOAM WITH AN R-20 RATING.  "R" 
>FACTOR EQUIVALENCE NOTE:  Due to the absence of air flow, an "R" factor cannot be used 
>and all tests are performed comparing the usefulness of this insulation with an "R" Factor 
>Equivalence.

Excuse me, but please explain how "absence of air flow" prevents
testing to determine an R-value.

The real question here is "Has your product been tested in an
independant laboratory to verify your R-value equivalence claims."

You may really have a wonderful product. However, you've not backed up
a pretty big claim here.  15 mil coating = R-20? Wow! How is it done?
What does independant testing reveal?


James J. Riticher, P.E. (Jim)
jjr@atlanta.com



From afn12867@freenet.ufl.edu Wed Jul 26 00:46:49 EDT 1995
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Hi Folks,
To receive our current catalog, just "key" that reply and we will send 
you one.
Thanks, 
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From avincent@wolfe.net Wed Jul 26 00:46:50 EDT 1995
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Do they come with missiles?


From alanh@infi.net Wed Jul 26 00:46:52 EDT 1995
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Petri Sakkinen (petri@geko.com.au) wrote:

: Before these systems are introduced in large scale, the ecological impact
: of the resulting higher water temperatures should be thoroughly
: investigated.

       How thouroughly _can_ it be investigated?    Till who is satisfied?
      Till how much money is spent on the research?  Till how many graduate
       students have milked a Ph.D out of it?

       I could put out an Environmental Impact Statement that would make 
it seem highly desireable to force Petri Sakkinen to stop producing more 
Carbon Dioxide...... 

--
Alan Horowitz
alanh@infi.net


From 100626.2003@CompuServe.COM Wed Jul 26 00:46:53 EDT 1995
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From: name <100626.2003@CompuServe.COM>
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One man cannot build a home, but ten men can easily build twenty 
homes. -- Nubian Proverb

I would like to bring to your attention the following book on 
alternative architecture:

"Nubian Architecture: The Egyptian Experience", by
Omar M. EL-HAKIM Ph.D. (with a forward by the Late Hassan Fathi)
Published (1993) by The Palm Press, 34, Al-Mansour Muhammad 
Street,
Zamalek, Cairo, Egypt. (tel:+20 2 3415458).
78 pages, 108 plans,illustrations, and photos(bw).

The book covers mud brick architecture using domes and 
catenary vaults, vernacular design, village layout, 
ornamentation, resettlement issues, etc.

The book is available from the Palm press. You may contact the 
author through e-mail at 100626.2003@compuserve.com


From hughl@news.an.hp.com Mon Jul 31 11:42:47 EDT 1995
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In article <3v2rba$egh@maverick.tad.eds.com>, wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com (Will Stewart) writes:
|> In article <3v0emg$qut@mack.rt66.com>, Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com> says:
|> >
|> >I think the idea of solar air conditioning is too limiting. What about 
|> >night sky refrigeration which uses no sun at all (maybe we should call 
|> >it Moonlight Air Conditioning). 
|> 
|> I've heard of this, were solar collectors that were employed for heat 
|> gain in the winter daytime were used for heat rejection in the summer
|> nights.  I didn't hear how the experiment(s?) went, perhaps others have.
|> I would certainly be interested in hearing any results.

Efficient solar collectors do NOT reject heat at 50-250 F.  That's the
collection temperature.  they should be well insulated and have the right
coating to NOT radiate in that range.

I expect you would have to either have another set of radiators or 
significantly change your collectors. = investment $$$

|> >Or what about the idea of storing 
|> >winter's coolth for summer cooling of refrigerators and living space. 
|> 
|> The issue we're looking into right now is the scale of the storage.
|> It can be done, but can it be done at a reasonable cost?
THAT IS the question.
|> 
|> William R. Stewart, Jr	(Will)      "Don't worry, be happy"  - Bobby McFarren
|> wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com   (703)760-0239

-- 
	Hugh Lippincott 	     x2955	  hughl@an.hp.com
	Imaging Systems, SQA,	     M/S 105      Bldg4 2nd floor, Col Q15



From obrien@hevanet.com Mon Jul 31 11:42:48 EDT 1995
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How about reconsidering climate-specific heating and cooling? Where I
live, in the Portland/Willamette Valley coastal marine climate, heating
and cooling needs are completely different from the high basin country
that is only about 150 miles away over the Cascades. What works adequately
here, doesn't work over there. So the solutions have to be tailored to the
climate. I would even say that what works for one type of building doesn't
necessarily work on another. For example, night cooling by flushing with
cool outdoor air works great on two-story single family houses, but not
very well on one-level apartments. 

In our energy-efficient home program, Super Good Cents, we concentrate on
maximizing the heating and cooling benefits from architectural and
construction features that are already in the building. For example, code
requires a certain amount of structural ventilation in attics, so every
house has eave vents and roof jacks. For literally a few dollars more, the
code vents can be upgraded to continuous eave and ridge vents, giving
better moisture protection and some cooling benefit. We can go a long way
towards keeping the building comfortable with such measures. Some places,
like Sacramento, have utility- and city-sponsored programs to upgrade
street trees and landscape trees to large shade trees that are wonderful
for cooling. A $200 tree can provide the cooling equivalent of over a ton
of air conditioning, for free.

Personally, I like low-tech solutions that are practical and affordable.
In my experience, people just won't give up their chandeliers and
fireplaces for solar gizmos, but they will spend a few bucks for something
that has an apparent benefit.

Just my $.02, Mike

-- 
Mike


From m_friedrich@pnl.gov Mon Jul 31 11:42:49 EDT 1995
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>|> >I think the idea of solar air conditioning is too limiting. What about 
>|> >night sky refrigeration which uses no sun at all (maybe we should call 
>|> >it Moonlight Air Conditioning). 
>|> 
>|> I've heard of this, were solar collectors that were employed for heat 
>|> gain in the winter daytime were used for heat rejection in the summer
>|> nights.  I didn't hear how the experiment(s?) went, perhaps others have.
>|> I would certainly be interested in hearing any results.


Two years ago as a school project, I looked into this technology.  It ends up that
there are new emissivity coatings being developed that switch (electrically) the solar 
absorber cover (glass/plastic)) in order to change which wavelengths that will 
go through the material.  Lawrence Berkeley Lab (LBL) has developed some 
of these coatings for window panes and using them in solar collectors was 
tested years ago.  I would have to dig into school notes to find the references
but I don't remember it being difficult to find articles on night sky radiation cooling.
>
>Efficient solar collectors do NOT reject heat at 50-250 F.  That's the
>collection temperature.  they should be well insulated and have the right
>coating to NOT radiate in that range.
>
>I expect you would have to either have another set of radiators or 
>significantly change your collectors. = investment $$$


The coatings are not cheap and the economic analysis I did at the time to 
cool using night sky radiation was not very favorable even out here in the
desert where we have lots of clear nights 

Michele Friedrich
m_friedrich@pnl.gov


From ginnshoe@gtalumni.org Mon Jul 31 11:42:50 EDT 1995
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On what planet are you living?  Get real in a real world. Tiny isn't 
necessarily better.


From domekits@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 31 11:42:52 EDT 1995
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In <3v7482$loo@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> ergoogre@ix.netcom.com (Mike
Burke) writes: 
>
>
>
>I have stumbled through the internet in search of information on
>Geodesic Domes. I am considering constrcting one as a small storage
>facility. Any references are greatly appreciated.
>
>Post or email Ergoogre@ix.netcom.com


I can snail mail you our catalog of geodesic dome kits and info
resources if you forward your mailing address.
Eliot



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AIA Online


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i don't think that 4" cmu will quite cut it. the blocks will move when
filled with water, even a little, the stucco will crack and water will
leak all over the floor. try monolithic poured in place concrete.


From 102401.413@CompuServe.COM Mon Jul 31 11:42:55 EDT 1995
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From: Charles D. Parker, Jr. <102401.413@CompuServe.COM>
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I am interested in obtaining information on companies that 
design, sale or construct bridges over small running 
streams/creeks for application at local university.  Creek is 
approximately 4 feet wide with bridge to span 20-40 feet.  As 
usual, funding is limited but would like decent design/look.


From saturn@crash.cts.com Mon Jul 31 11:42:56 EDT 1995
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Ned Brickley (traveler@empire.net) wrote:
: Tim Schwartz <102472.632@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

: Are you aware that spamming and advertising on the usnet newsgroups is
: a big no no? KNOCK IT OFF YOU MORON!! THAT'S WHAT THE WORLD WIDE WEB
: IS FOR!
: 'nough said.

  Oh, get off your high horse... I think the very idea of using an old 
missle base as a residence is totally cool!  So WHAT if he wasn't totally 
serious.


: > Huge underground homes are available in the form of 
: >de-commisioned Nuclear Missile Bases!   With over 15,000 square 
: >feet of floorspace with high cielings, all built to withstand 
: >nuclear blast and 25 to 30 or so acres of surrounding land, the 
: >serious homesteader, commune, person needing large storage, 
: >church  or just a single family wanting to get away from it all 
: >would be well served to investigate this special offering. Also 
: >of mention is the fact that these structures require little 
: >heating and no air conditioning, due to the earth over 
: >construction. Small industry is possible due to a large drive in 
: >shop area.
: >      Located in Kansas (close to Kansas City) where the cost of 
: >living is low and the problems of the big city are far away, 
: >these properties are being offered starting at the price of 
: >$85,000 dollars.  To reproduce them would run into the several 
: >millions!  The government only built so many of these and once 
: >they are gone, no more will be built!
: >      For more information about how you could own these 
: >magnificent
: >underground estates please call  Tim at (913) 273-0452!




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From sarahs4151@aol.com Mon Jul 31 11:42:58 EDT 1995
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From: sarahs4151@aol.com (SarahS4151)
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Subject: pole type  mobile support
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hello
where i work there is a mobile home on a pole foundation. large round
poles sunk into the ground with beams across and the mobile set on top.

anyone had experience with this? in our VERY seismically active area it
seems a far superior type of foundation. we are moving a single wide onto
a piece of property until we get our house built.
voice from the wilderness...
   the goats want to be milked

sarah
as far west as the internet gets on the continental u s


From mcharter@callamer.com Mon Jul 31 11:42:59 EDT 1995
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From: mcharter@callamer.com (Mel Charters)
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In article <3v7482$loo@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, ergoogre@ix.netcom.com
(Mike Burke) wrote:

> I have stumbled through the internet in search of information on
> Geodesic Domes. I am considering constrcting one as a small storage
> facility. Any references are greatly appreciated.
> 
> Post or email Ergoogre@ix.netcom.com

Try kingdome@mmedia.is they also have a www page somewhere

-- 
Mel Charters


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Test message, ignore...



From traveler@empire.net Mon Jul 31 11:43:02 EDT 1995
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Tim Schwartz <102472.632@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

Are you aware that spamming and advertising on the usnet newsgroups is
a big no no? KNOCK IT OFF YOU MORON!! THAT'S WHAT THE WORLD WIDE WEB
IS FOR!

'nough said.



> Huge underground homes are available in the form of 
>de-commisioned Nuclear Missile Bases!   With over 15,000 square 
>feet of floorspace with high cielings, all built to withstand 
>nuclear blast and 25 to 30 or so acres of surrounding land, the 
>serious homesteader, commune, person needing large storage, 
>church  or just a single family wanting to get away from it all 
>would be well served to investigate this special offering. Also 
>of mention is the fact that these structures require little 
>heating and no air conditioning, due to the earth over 
>construction. Small industry is possible due to a large drive in 
>shop area.
>      Located in Kansas (close to Kansas City) where the cost of 
>living is low and the problems of the big city are far away, 
>these properties are being offered starting at the price of 
>$85,000 dollars.  To reproduce them would run into the several 
>millions!  The government only built so many of these and once 
>they are gone, no more will be built!
>      For more information about how you could own these 
>magnificent
>underground estates please call  Tim at (913) 273-0452!




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From whannon@aol.com Mon Jul 31 11:43:07 EDT 1995
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Harvards GSD has a summer program "Career Discovery" that exposes students
to architecture, city planning, and landscape architecture. Also the
Boston Architectural Center was exploring the idea of establishing a "high
school of design"


From tangle@iadfw.net Mon Jul 31 11:43:08 EDT 1995
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From: tangle@iadfw.net (Tim of Angle)
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In message <Pine.A32.3.91.950724212207.32437D-100000@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu> 
- "Walter G. Winter" <afn12867@freenet.ufl.edu> writes:

 > To receive our current catalog, just "key" that reply and we will send 
 > you one.

	Tim of Angle
	740 West Spring Valley #221
	Richardson TX 75080


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From lindas@gil.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au Mon Jul 31 11:43:09 EDT 1995
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Subject: thanks for your help
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Some weeks ago, I posted a mail asking for your help in finding references 
regarding - maths in architecture.  Some of you were kind enough to answer.  
If I can return the favour - I am a librarian studying to be an archivist in 
Brisbane, Australia
regards, Linda


From jerrydiskn@aol.com Mon Jul 31 11:43:10 EDT 1995
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Please  send me your catalog to Jerome Diskin  1391 Sweeny Rd. Blacksburg,
VA 24060.

Thanks


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Mon Jul 31 11:43:11 EDT 1995
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From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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Would anyone know of some sort of cheap flat plastic material that
looks green and comes in 3-4' wide x 8-10' long sheets, about 1/8"
thick, that lasts forever? Sort of like "Onduline," but not wavy.

The wall-warmer continues to metamorphose. Now it looks like this:

|     | plastic roofing 
.     
. g   .   
. r        
. e       . Replex polycarbonate plastic
. e          over standard greenhouse 
. n         . curved steel pipes
.              
. s           .
. h           
. a            .
. d             
. e  gravel over.
.    black poly         
..........................
                 | ground stakes
            	
Nick



From reese@chem.duke.edu Mon Jul 31 11:43:12 EDT 1995
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wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com (Will Stewart) wrote:
>
> In article <3v0emg$qut@mack.rt66.com>, Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com> says:
> >
> >I think the idea of solar air conditioning is too limiting. What about 
> >night sky refrigeration which uses no sun at all (maybe we should call 
> >it Moonlight Air Conditioning). 
> 
> I've heard of this, were solar collectors that were employed for heat 
> gain in the winter daytime were used for heat rejection in the summer
> nights.  I didn't hear how the experiment(s?) went, perhaps others have.
> I would certainly be interested in hearing any results.
> 
> >Or what about the idea of storing 
> >winter's coolth for summer cooling of refrigerators and living space. 
> 
> The issue we're looking into right now is the scale of the storage.
> It can be done, but can it be done at a reasonable cost?
> 

Have you considered underground storage in static aquafers?  The idea is to
have two wells, in the summer pump solar heated water into the deeper well
and pump cold water out of the upper well.  In the winter you reverse the
flow recovering your hot water for heating and storing cold water for the
next summer.  If the water table is reasonably high then you almost don't
need a pump in the winter.  I have seen where large quantities of summer heated
water is stored in old mines in Sweden for use as winter heat.

> 
> William R. Stewart, Jr	(Will)      "Don't worry, be happy"  - Bobby McFarren
> wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com   (703)760-0239



From bicwi@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Mon Jul 31 11:43:13 EDT 1995
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From: bicwi@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Clifford Wilson, III)
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I realize this group is for alternative architecture but I cannot find
this info through conventional sources.  I have been trying to locate the
Owner/Builder Center in Berkley, CA.  They have moved and not left a
forwarding phone number.  (Forget smail)  If anyone knows how to contact
them preferably via E-mail or the telephone.  Thanks.

Clifford


From purnsg@aol.com Mon Jul 31 11:43:14 EDT 1995
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From: purnsg@aol.com (PURNSG)
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I have a question for the professionals!  I am looking to buy a old
victorian style city home!  The home is heated by radiators. How
effective are radiators versus anything else?


From daredos@aol.com Mon Jul 31 11:43:15 EDT 1995
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From: daredos@aol.com (Daredos)
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Subject: Re: architecture on water
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>Does anyone know of any projects that have been done on water. Not boats
or 
anything, but modernist house boat sorta things. I am doing my thesis on
this
type of thing, but am having trouble finding examples


Hello,
I think you might be interested in Seament, a process I have been
discussing with several others online.  I wrote my undergrad thesis on
this subject, i think it  might be of some help.  An abstract:

Marine electrodeposition (MED) is an electrochemical process created when
a direct electrical current is run between electrodes in sea water. 
During electrolysis, minerals will accrete out of solution to a pre-formed
iron cathode, and over time will actually grow into a strong and reliable
material similar to the CaCO3 found in organic bones and shells.  The
“seament” formed around an iron cathode is 30% stronger than conventional
ferroconcrete.  This makes MED a viable construction process that could
revolutionize building systems for both marine and terrestrial structures.

	Important physical and chemical characteristics of MED are
studied, and the benefits of using MED over conventional construction are
given.  Also shown is that building by accretion is a natural process and
thus proves to be environmentally beneficial.  It can restore or create
marine ecosystems, reduce dependence on concrete in developing countries,
reduce waste products, recycle, and offset the greenhouse effect. 
Furthermore, due to the low voltage requirements, alternative energy
sources such as wind, solar, hydrogen, and OTEC are best suited for all
applications.  Some of the marine applications studied include pipelines
and tunnels, land reclamation, erosion control, artificial reefs, and
submarine living spaces.  This thesis attempts to integrate all attributes
of the MED process into a collective system that functions as a
self-sustained community, or autopia.

	Due to the organic nature of MED, seament can drastically alter
our conceptions of building technology and architecture.  When structured
to maintain itself with heuristic building techniques, the marine
architecture can acquire and develop properties of a living system.  MED
as an autotrophic self-sufficient network is site-sensitive, utilizing
material and energy from the surrounding system.  Because MED can be used
as construction and “deconstruction” (i.e. switching the polarity of
electrolysis), a large degree of adaptability and resilience can be
introduced in the architecture.  These cybertectural elements reconciliate
any environmental or man-made changes that occur.  Furthermore, since
cathodes can be sculpted into any desired shape, seament becomes the
perfect material for constructing complex architecture or amorphous forms.
 Thus, otherwise non-buildable designs can be created past a conceptual
scheme and built in a manner as dynamic as the environment that
encapsulates it.

If this at all interests you, feel free to contact me via e-mail to
discuss any related topics.  If you would like a copy of my thesis please
let me know.  Thanks and keep dreaming, and good luck

Daren
You  might also want to check out a book called The Millenial Project, by
Marshal Savage.  The first section deals with colonizing the ocean.


From rpoole@nas.com Mon Jul 31 11:43:16 EDT 1995
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>  
>  After 6 1/2 years of living (happily) with my husband and cat on a 33' sailboat,
>  with a cabin sole 18 inches wide, probably similar to an 80 sq. ft. house(?), 
>  our 525 sq ft current home seems IMMENSE! So much wasted space! So much
>  unnecessary "stuff" seems to collect here! 
>  
>  Personally, I would find close proximity to neighbors far more degrading 
>  than the size of my dwelling. Maybe with some personal growth, I can
>  get over that, too.
>  
>>>>
My company designs (among other things) the interiors of lavish and spacious 
super-yachts. But, I am an open-ocean sailor that has long found the effort to derive
enormous utility & comfort from an impossibly small space (on small sailboats) very
challenging and rewarding. I am convinced that the limitation is one of imagination
and context rather than "sq ft".

It is a revelation to apply and explore many of the marine techniques and items 
optimized for these demanding "minimal space/high elegance & appeal" applications. 
And, as they are (usually) at home in the hostile marine environment, they are
usually of a high order of quality and durability.

I presently own a small (1000') home that feels largely empty to me. I am now thinking
of getting rid of this house and building a 600 sq ft addition to my shop building
that would be as elegant and efficient as the 600' architect-designed penthouse 
apartment I once lived in. It is a fascinating game, above all else, to elicit a 
gallon's worth of space fromn a quart container! 

The prospect of a very small dwelling is inherrently dauting only if one has never
seen what can truly be accomplished. It gets even better when one breaks free
of rectilinear thinking and the arbitrary constraints that are articles of faith to the
mainstream construction industry.

Richard Poole
Apollonio & Poole, Naval Architecture & Marine Engineering, Inc.
Bellingham, WA



From mae@macppc.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 31 11:43:17 EDT 1995
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From: mae@macppc.demon.co.uk (Mark Eady)
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In article <3utbve$l69@oveja.u-net.com>, nab@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

> Do you know of *any* UK practices that have so much as a home page?

Nope; I think the Architectural profession in the UK believes accessing
the Internet amounts to reading Building Design's smug WWW articles.

If you're interested here's a bunch of 'architectural' URLs saved from
previous postings.

http://www.starlink.it/surfing
http://www.arcadia.polimi.it
http://archpropplan.auckland.ac.nz/
http://archpropplan.auckland.ac.nz/misc/sources1.html
http://www/gsaup.ucla.edu/home
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http://www.innet.net/brussels-arts
http://www.clr.toronto.edu:1080/VIRTUALLIB/arch.html
http://www.tu-graz.ac.at/Carch

-- 
Mark Eady
mae@macppc.demon.co.uk


From Postma@user1.channel1.com Mon Jul 31 11:43:18 EDT 1995
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From: Steve Postma <Postma@user1.channel1.com>
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Subject: New Web Site
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Hello,
    My name is Steve Postma and I am a furnituremaker from Boston, MA.
    I would just like to let you know of my new web site at 
http://www.channel1.com/users/postma (thats channel-one). I have what I 
beleive to be the first comercial site for a custom furnituremaker in the 
world! I have put quite a lot of time into this site and am proud of it, 
as I am of my furniture. In the past my work has gone to American Embassies
and International Four Star Hotels. I specialize in veneer and curved work,
and am capable of a wide range of finishes including black lacquer, gold
leaf and faux finishes.At my site you can view examples of some of my recent
jobs and read about the work that I have coming up. All work including my 
home page has been done by me.
    This page has been open since 6/15/95 and I receive about one email
a day about my work. Some of the comments include:

    7108T1@Aol.com- "I surfed the web for the first time tonight, and your 
furniture page was the first I explored, what a treat!"

    j_norton@ix.net.com-"I am quite impressed with your work!"

    Berry@a.chem.upenn.edu-"Gorgeous!"

    SCJI@Aol.com-"Awsome Page!"


    There is also a very extensive hot list there with upwards of 500 URLS
to be explored!
    Please take a look at my page and leave a comment!

                                Thank You for your time,


                                Steve Postma, Furnituremaker and Design
                                574 Boston Avenue
                                Medford MA 02155
                                (617) 395-7287
                                Fax (617) 665-9895 
                                Email- postma@user1.channel1.com
                                http://www.channel1.com/users/postma                                     


From gg@well.sf.ca.us Mon Jul 31 11:43:19 EDT 1995
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From: gg@well.sf.ca.us (George A. Gleason)
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Re Owner Builder Center:  they don't exist any more.  From what I heard,
someone broke an arm or something on one of their sites, and the insurance
company did what insurance companies do best, namely sued them to death.
They don't have a forwarding number; I know because I'm the guy who worked
on their phone system when they were here, and when we did the disconnect,
that was it.  Now some of their folks might have started a new organisation
under a different name, I don't know (again, there was no re-install, so
it would be difficult to track it).  You could try the Ecology Center iin
Berkeley, which has a book section, and might have some of their material.

-george


From tsim@ix.netcom.com Mon Jul 31 11:43:20 EDT 1995
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In <3v1nmq$90r@newsbf02.news.aol.com> pangloss8@aol.com (Pangloss8)
writes: 
>
>       Eugene Tsui is alive and well, designing wonderfully inventive
>structures.  He was born in Cleveland in 1954, studied at Columbia and
the
>University of Oregon, apprenticed with Bruce Goff, and has taught at
>Western Washington University. He also finished a house for his
parents in
>Berkeley, California earlier this year.  There is a nice but short
article
>on his work in A+U, April '86. 
>        You might enjoy a trip to Chicago this summer to see an
amazing
>exhibition at The Art Institute on his friend and mentor, Bruce Goff.
>There is also an accompanying catalog/book available through any
>well-stocked bookstore which traces the development of Goff's art,
music
>and architecture. 
>         Some of Tsui's correspondence with Goff is kept in the Goff
>Archives at The Art Institute. Tsui was associated with Goff at the
end of
>Goff's life in the late 70s and early 80s, and the parallels in
thinking
>and design are quite evident.


I've seen a quite extensive article profiling some of his most recent
design philosophy in an issue of Mondo 2000.  I was taken by his
concepts, but, being a freshman in architectural school, I really can't
comment further.


From rodynski@direct.ca Mon Jul 31 11:43:22 EDT 1995
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Do you know decision makers in industrial plants, manufacturing plants, 
large commercial buildings, power plants, or Government? If so, all 
parties can make great profits and help the local environment with my 
ETI programme. I have 20 years experience on over 2500 projects. 
This works great and everybody wins.

I use unique computer software that helps determine the Economic
Thickness of Insulation (ETI). Relevant data such as ambient
temperature, cost per energy unit, process temperature, and
insulation cost are input into the computer. The results of the ETI
computation are used to determine the optimal insulation thickness
and design, the energy cost savings, the length of time to pay back
the insulation cost, and  the resulting energy savings and emission
reductions. 

The following is an abbreviated example of ETI insulation in the
lower mainland of BC in 1995, based on BC Gas energy costs, union
labour to install insulation, and quoted in Canadian Dollars:

ETI INSULATION PROJECT #BC-075-100: 1995 BC NATURAL GAS RATES, 610 LINEAL
METRES OF UNINSULATED 50 MM PIPE OPERATING AT 150 DEGREES CELSIUS, PIPES 
ARELOCATED INSIDE A 20 DEGREE CELSIUS HEATED BUILDING. IT COST $8,200.00 
TO INSULATE THE PIPES TO ETI STANDARDS. THE ENERGY COST SAVINGS AFTER 
INSULATING WILL BE $1,930.00 PER MONTH. MY FEE IS 25% OF THE FIRST 12 
MONTHS OF ENERGY COST SAVINGS. THE TOTAL TIME TO PAY BACK THE INSULATION 
COST AND MY FEE WILL BE 7.25 MONTHS WORTH OF ENERGY COST SAVINGS. 
THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE PROCESS SYSTEM IS 25 YEARS. THE TOTAL ENERGY 
COST SAVINGS OVER 25 YEARS RESULTING FROM ETI INSULATION WILL BE $579,000.00. INCREASES IN THE COST OF NATURAL GAS OVER
THE 25 YEAR PERIOD AND FUTURE VALUE OF MONEY HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THIS
CALCULATION.



For many years after the ETI insulation is installed, it is earning a
profit by saving money that would otherwise be spent on wasted
energy. Uninsulated systems provide the largest and fastest payback
when ETI insulation is installed. However, research shows that many
systems with existing insulation also provide large and fast paybacks
when insulation is upgraded to ETI standards.




OVERVIEW OF HOW MY ETI INSULATION PROGRAMME WORKS

1. I visit the plant to get the information required to do an ETI
report. The report will describe the potential energy cost savings,
payback periods, emission reductions, and bottom line profits
available with ETI insulation. Systems, pipes, and equipment will be
listed individually so that items with the best paybacks can be
identified and acted upon first. There is no cost for this report and
no obligation to proceed further. Plant engineers are welcome to
verify the accuracy of the report.

2. If it is decided to proceed with my ETI programme, my fee would be
25% of the first year of estimated energy cost savings resulting from
installing the ETI insulation. The estimate of energy cost savings
would be a mutually agreed amount based on the ETI report. The energy
cost savings in the fee calculation would be limited to the savings
achieved by installing the ETI insulation. For example, if there was
an additional 1" of ETI insulation installed over existing
insulation, the fee calculation would be based on the savings
achieved by the additional 1" of insulation only. The ETI report
provides the information required to make the fee calculations.


Full financing for material may be arranged and worker training to 
install insulation can be provided if required. Projects in developing 
countries may find this interesting.

Please reply if interested in a mutually beneficial JV:

Robert Odynski
Richmond, B.C., Canada
rodynski@direct.ca

(I will respond to you after Aug 6)




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From drdeny@aol.com Mon Jul 31 11:43:24 EDT 1995
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Please send catalog


From sarahs4151@aol.com Mon Jul 31 16:41:33 EDT 1995
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where do YOU live?
voice from the wilderness...
   the goats want to be milked

sarah
as far west as the internet gets on the continental u s


From bdngfld@ilhawaii.net Mon Jul 31 16:41:34 EDT 1995
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Posted a request previously, but received no response.  Would appreciate
any leads on books/resources on rammed earth building construction
methods, design, techniques, code problems, etc.  Is the U.N. still 
using the CinvaRam it developed in Columbia, S.A.?  Didn't South Africa
develop an automated version of the same brick maker?  

Thanks for any help.  Would love to follow a thread if someone would
pick it up.


From harch@randomc.com Mon Jul 31 16:41:35 EDT 1995
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Does anyone know where I can get leather or cowhide covers for butterfly chairs. If you do, please email me with the name of the 
place, their address, and telephone number and suggested price.  My email address is:
Hal Adams
harch@randomc.com



From krayenhoff@raven.bc.ca Mon Jul 31 16:41:37 EDT 1995
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sent via UUCP from: Raven Net, Salt Spring Island, BC, Canada


From lowryj@news.gate.net Wed Aug  2 23:33:55 EDT 1995
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>>  You have seen the high cost of WEB space, right?      <<<

You may have a product or service you would like to promote, but putting it
on the web was costly, wasn't it?

>>  Well now you can put your product or service on the World Wide Web  <<<

For only...  45 dollars a year!   Thats right...   45 dollars a year.


If you want to learn more, on how you too can get this offer, then

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From panelmaker@aol.com Wed Aug  2 23:33:56 EDT 1995
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From: panelmaker@aol.com (Panelmaker)
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According to the US Census Bureau , a big shift in new household
formations is occuring nationwide. That shift, combined with other
demographic studies and certain new , global economic realities is
drastically reshaping the way Americans will live in the near future. An
aging population and a fast growing segment of new one person households
is creating a new "less is more" philosophy in personal housing options.

My associate, noted Connecticut architect, Dennis Davey, AIA has received
international attention over the past year for his SRD Little House
designs which have been featured in newspapers, magazines and on national
television news.

In response to an overwhelming demand from people all over the world for
more information on these Little Houses.... people who want to know, I am
posting the following infomercial.
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IT'S HAPPENING  WORLDWIDE  AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE FEELING THE PAIN OF
ITS PRESENCE.

LIKE IT OR NOT, YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO BE DRAMATICALLY AFFECTED BY
IT........SO WHY NOT MAKE IT WORK FOR YOU ?

If you are undergoing a lifestyle change, (divorce, new job, retirement,
single parent, return to nest , loss of spouse , newly married,  etc.) and
want to cut costs, maintain your independence, preserve your privacy,and
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what you need. This newest concept in personal housing options is
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brand new, conventionally built frame home in a matter of weeks.

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 If you need more space later, you can expand it !
 If you don't like where you are, you can move it ! ( Note: This is not a
mobile home !)
 If you want a change, you can easily resell it !
 If you want income, you can rent it ! 
 If you are doing something different , you can convert it !
 If you need  a new career...a new way to make money, you can retail it to
others ** 
 For less than the price of a new car, it can be  yours..and it meets all
national building codes !

Some typical uses of the Little House.....x  a Starter Home, Retirement
Home, Vacation Cottage, Guest House, Dormitory, Home Office, Studio House,
Ski Lodge, Mobile Office, Beach or Lake Cabana, Caretaker's  Cottage, 
Motel Units, Roadside Business, ECHO housing, Transitional Housing or any
other use you can think of that fits your needs.

It also offers the three most important features that everyone
wants...Immediacy  (you can have it quickly),  Customization (have it your
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it is a conventional frame home, it won't depreciate in value like a
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panelized frame house  that meets all national building codes,  and
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Richard Considine
Panelmaker Building System
RR1 Box 488A
Chestertown, N.Y. 12817
(518) 494-4048 Fax (518)494-4341


From fiasco Wed Aug  2 23:33:57 EDT 1995
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I'm looking for information on underground architecture, both contemporary
and historic, both of a general nature and also on a specific subject:
Chinese railroad workers building underground homes during turn of the
century southwestern USA RR construction.

Any info on sources and other research advice welcome. Thanks!

-matt coolidge (mcoolid@sierra.fwl.edu)


From rodrussell@server.sdserv.org Wed Aug  2 23:33:59 EDT 1995
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From: rodrussell@server.sdserv.org (Rod Russell)
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In article <DCEzJr.HpK@crash.cts.com> saturn@crash.cts.com (Elaine Gallegos) writes:
>From: saturn@crash.cts.com (Elaine Gallegos)
>Subject: Re: Shetkaboard
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:02:13 GMT

>: In an article posted 19 Jan 1994, someone wrote about a new material 
>: made from waste paper products, called Shetkaboard, after its inventor,
>: Stanley J. Shetka.  Does anyone know what has happened to this stuff, 
>: or where it's at?  Any info?

>  I read recently of a wood substitute.  It's a combination of sawdust or 
>woodchips mixed with re-cycled plastic.  It doesn't have the tensile 
>strength of real wood, but does have several advantages.  It is strong, 
>even though it's not as strong as wood.  It is molded to the required 
>size, so there is no waste in sizing it.  It can be sawed, drilled and 
>hammered just like wood, but does not absorb water.  It can be used 
>outdoors, as with an uncovered deck, and does not require sanding or 
>painting.  It doesn't splinter.
>  It's almost as strong as wood, requiring a few more supporting studs, 
>but is similar to wood in cost, although it lasts much longer, not being 
>subject to the elements.

Sounds like you are talking about Trex.  If you are, it is not quite correct 
to say that it is "almost" as strong as wood.  It cannot even be used for deck 
posts that carry a load and will not span as far as wood when used as deck 
cap.  Additionaly, it is about twice as expensive as Redwood and is (my 
opinion of course) really ugly!  ;D  It is also prone to chipping although it 
can be worked like wood in  most cases.
      My apologies of course if there  is some new material just out, but Trex 
is the only one I've seen or heard of so far.  

Rod

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From panelmaker@aol.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:00 EDT 1995
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From: panelmaker@aol.com (Panelmaker)
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The Panelmaker Building System was developed as a less expensive, more
expansive building system for owner-builders that concentrates on teaching
semi-skilled do it your selfers how to build their own homes anywhere in
the world. The mail order system teaches how to panelize the structural
walls in the portable Panelmaker Wall Panel Jig and combine the walls with
prefabricated floor and roof trusses to erect a structural shell in about
2-3 days by two or three people using hand tools on the building site. The
Panelmaker Building System can reduce turnkey new home construction costs
by up to 40% while meeting all national building codes.

The system includes all the books and  instructional manuals necessary to
make the panels and build the house including simple wall panel making
drawings , an amazing plan conversion kit that shows how to convert any
floor plan or blueprint into a panelized configuration, several special
tools and  the patented Panelmaker Wall Panel jig , all for $397.00 . And
it all ships UPS anywhere in the USA for about $45.00 in freight charges.
Richard Considine
Panelmaker Building System
RR1 Box 488A
Chestertown, N.Y. 12817
(518) 494-4048 Fax (518)494-4341


From debbieb@bosko.alm.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:02 EDT 1995
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A group of First Nations (Indians) named the Lillooet from British Columbia
Canada were a gathering and hunting peoples that in the winter time would 
move into underground houses were they would live until spring.

I have very little information on this. My source for this knowledge is 
a book called * Sound Heritage: Voices from British Columbia *

Museums woulod be one source I imagine. If you wish I will type out 
condensed  discription from the book of the construction.
-- 
==========================================================================
We don't see things as they are;
We see things as we are.
==========================================================================


From larrys@alpha.zk3.dec.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:04 EDT 1995
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From: larrys@enemax.zk3.dec.com (Larry Smith USG)
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In article <ginnshoe.6.02E33426@gtalumni.org>, ginnshoe@gtalumni.org (Virginia Wyan Shoeman) writes:
>On what planet are you living?  Get real in a real world. Tiny isn't 
>necessarily better.

It isn't necessarily worse, either.  Even in the real world.


-- 
Larry Smith --- My opinions only.           larrys@zk3.dec.com/larrys@io.com.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence - it is force! Like fire, it is
a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left
to irresponsible action." -- George Washington 


From larrys@alpha.zk3.dec.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:05 EDT 1995
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In article <3vdh8d$fkk@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, purnsg@aol.com (PURNSG) writes:
>I have a question for the professionals!  I am looking to buy a old
>victorian style city home!  The home is heated by radiators. How
>effective are radiators versus anything else?

If installed properly, effective and very long-lasting.  My current
house is heated by hot-water radiators.  It's a 1768 brick colonial
of 4000+ sq feet, and the system keeps it toasty warms in the dead
of the New Hampshire winter with no visible strain whatsoever.  Steam
radiators have the additional benefit of humidifying the dry winter
air.

-- 
Larry Smith --- My opinions only.           larrys@zk3.dec.com/larrys@io.com.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence - it is force! Like fire, it is
a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left
to irresponsible action." -- George Washington 


From richard@rt66.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:06 EDT 1995
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From: Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
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Subject: Re: "Cob" Construction
Date: 31 Jul 1995 14:57:31 GMT
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The process is very simple, you can start experimenting with it now.
It reached its peak use in Germany I think. (It is still widely used 
there and has been for hundreds of years). Here's how to do it.

1. Get some straw and put it in a pile.
2. Mix clay to the consistency of a milk shake with water.
3. Pour the "milk shake" over the straw, tossing with rakes or 
pitchforks until just lightly coating the straw.
4. Place in between boards and tamp with a 2x4 or 4x4. (about 3-4 ft. 
long)
5. Move the boards up immediately and stuff some more.
6. Allow the wall to dry. (Time varies by climate)
7. Plaster inside and out with soft plaster
8. Use a water resistant plaster on the outside.

The clay is not too critical, anything from 40-50% clay soil all the way 
up to all clay will work (at least in my experiments). You don't need to 
add sand. Save the sand for the plaster.

Mostly post and beam construction is used and boards on each side of the 
posts make up the "form" to stuff the staw-clay into. Walls can be 6 
inches to 18 inches or more, thick walls take longer to dry. 

That's about it.

I like this approach. It is superior to staw-bale. The only problem is 
that roofs are still expensive. I am working on a system that allows the 
straw-clay system to make domes and build the roof at the same time from 
the same material. Then you can really reduce the cost of housing. Just 
ferrocement in inner and outer shells and you have a really strong 
structure!

Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
-------------------------------------------------------
              Institute for Planetary Renewal
"Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design"




From richard@rt66.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:07 EDT 1995
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From: Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: tiny house
Date: 31 Jul 1995 15:13:47 GMT
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My point is that tiny houses, like tiny apartments, may be promoted 
mainly to save money by saving land space and materials. In that case we 
should perhaps be talking how to build low-cost, not just reducing size, 
or how to buy land cheap.

If the tiny houses are promoted for their efficiency then we should 
perhaps be talking about how to create maximum efficiency with any 
design size.

My personal target is to be able to build rooms (bedroom size) for $50 
in one day using: reusable forms, straw-clay insulation, cast 
ferrocement shells, and adobe floors. I am almost there. Then anyone 
could build an ultra low-cost, solar heated, home for very little money 
and without a mortgage. Even better in my view if it is more along the 
self-sufficient lines.

So with tiny houses. What is it that makes for efficiency? Using 
vertical space? What else that we could all incorporate?

Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
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From richard@rt66.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:08 EDT 1995
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The process is very simple, you can start experimenting with it now.
It reached its peak use in Germany I think. (It is still widely used 
there and has been for hundreds of years). Here's how to do it.

1. Get some straw and put it in a pile.
2. Mix clay to the consistency of a milk shake with water.
3. Pour the "milk shake" over the straw, tossing with rakes or 
pitchforks until just lightly coating the straw.
4. Place in between boards and tamp with a 2x4 or 4x4. (about 3-4 ft. 
long)
5. Move the boards up immediately and stuff some more.
6. Allow the wall to dry. (Time varies by climate)
7. Plaster inside and out with soft plaster
8. Use a water resistant plaster on the outside.

The clay is not too critical, anything from 40-50% clay soil all the way 
up to all clay will work (at least in my experiments). You don't need to 
add sand. Save the sand for the plaster.

Mostly post and beam construction is used and boards on each side of the 
posts make up the "form" to stuff the staw-clay into. Walls can be 6 
inches to 18 inches or more, thick walls take longer to dry. 

That's about it.

I like this approach. It is superior to staw-bale. The only problem is 
that roofs are still expensive. I am working on a system that allows the 
straw-clay system to make domes and build the roof at the same time from 
the same material. Then you can really reduce the cost of housing. Just 
ferrocement in inner and outer shells and you have a really strong 
structure!
      
Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
-------------------------------------------------------
              Institute for Planetary Renewal
"Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design"




From richard@rt66.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:10 EDT 1995
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From: Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: New Web Site
Date: 31 Jul 1995 15:17:32 GMT
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With the blue textured background you used, I couldn't read a thing.

Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
-------------------------------------------------------
              Institute for Planetary Renewal
"Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design"




From kral@hpl.hp.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:11 EDT 1995
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In article <3ve961$cfv@news1.channel1.com>,
Steve Postma  <Postma@user1.channel1.com> wrote:
>Hello,
>    My name is Steve Postma and I am a furnituremaker from Boston, MA.
>    I would just like to let you know of my new web site at 
>http://www.channel1.com/users/postma (thats channel-one). I have what I 
>beleive to be the first comercial site for a custom furnituremaker in the 
>world! 
>
snip..

OK, but I get the error "This machine does not support http requests."







From Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:12 EDT 1995
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wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com (Will Stewart) wrote:
>
>
>
What about Geothermal.  It is already here, it uses the earth to cool and heat coolant (water).  We use it in Texas.



From Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:13 EDT 1995
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Although I am new here, I am inpatient.
Where is the alternative Architecturre stuff?



From av@accessone.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:14 EDT 1995
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AutoCAD full educational version r12 for the Macintosh (not student 
limited LT edition) with all 11 manuals (never used).

Also includes the following:

€ Digitizer overlay for macro's, etc #102378
€ AutoCAD® Simulator discount offer (Multi-level training tutorials)
€ Advanced Modeling Extension® (AME) w/ Reference Guide
€ AutoCAD® resource guide for third-party solutions/macro's, etc.
€ Master Index (for hard-copy reference to all those acronyms)
€ AutoLISP® (programmer's language) and Reference Guide
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From obrien@hevanet.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:15 EDT 1995
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In article <3vgt5a$aaa@news.internetmci.com>, Gary Cunningham
<Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com> wrote:

> What about Geothermal.  It is already here, it uses the earth to cool
and heat coolant (water).  We use it in Texas.

Geothermal (Water Furnace, Florida, and similar) works very well here in
Oregon, for space heating, cooling and water heating, but it is expensive.
Costs anywhere from $10,000 to $15,000 for one house. Is it cheaper in
Texas?

-- 
Mike


From wise0001@indirect.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:17 EDT 1995
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In article <3v6crq$jvq$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Tim Schwartz <102472.632@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>From: Tim Schwartz <102472.632@CompuServe.COM>
>Subject: Huge Homes/Rural/ICBM Sites!!!!
>Date: 26 Jul 1995 21:42:18 GMT

>Huge underground homes are available in the form of 
>de-commisioned
>Nuclear Missile Bases!   With over 15,000 square feet of 
>floorspace with high
>cielings, all built to withstand nuclear blast and 25 to 30 or so 
>acres of
>surrounding land, the serious homesteader, commune, person 
>needing large
>storage, church  or just a single family wanting to get away from 
>it all
>would be well served to investigate this special offering. Also 
>of mention is
>the fact that these structures require little heating and no air
>conditioning, due to the earth over construction. Small industry 
>is possible
>due to a large drive in shop area.
>      Located in Kansas (close to Kansas City) where the cost of 
>living is
>low and the problems of the big city are far away, these 
>properties are being
>offered starting at the price of $85,000 dollars.  To reproduce 
>them would
>run into the several millions!
>      For more information, please call  Tim at (913) 273-0452! 

  I would hate to purchase one of these 'homes' only to see the Cold War 
reawakened from a new threat. Would the government repo your property? If they 
wanted it back, you can be sure you wouldn't have a say in it....

wise0001@indirect.com


From sqrlsoft@gil.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au Wed Aug  2 23:34:18 EDT 1995
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Sick of surfing for 3D sites?
Tired of roaming for info on VRML the cool new Virtual Reality code?

well GIVE IT UP NOW and go to:

http://peg.pegasus.oz.au/~squirrel/sqrec.html


------------------------->>>
And the squirrel said unto him...."Give me your nuts"
And all was as it was in the beginning....
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From wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:19 EDT 1995
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In article <obrien-2807951135010001@vi-ppp01.hevanet.com>, obrien@hevanet.com (Michael O'Brien) says:

>
>In our energy-efficient home program, Super Good Cents,

I'd like to find out more about this, please email me an overview.

>Some places,
>like Sacramento, have utility- and city-sponsored programs to upgrade
>street trees and landscape trees to large shade trees that are wonderful
>for cooling. A $200 tree can provide the cooling equivalent of over a ton
>of air conditioning, for free.

I am finding that planning to have PVs on the roof is preventing me from 
taking this route.  Though the design does provide eaves designed to block 
direct solar window gain in the summer, other solar loads still remain.
Of course, if the net electrical consumption is less with shade trees, then
a rethinking of my energy management plan is in order.  

>Personally, I like low-tech solutions that are practical and affordable.
>In my experience, people just won't give up their chandeliers and
>fireplaces for solar gizmos, but they will spend a few bucks for something
>that has an apparent benefit.

Actually, I am giving up the chandeliers (but keeping the fireplace hearth for
backup heat) for solar gizmos (passive heat, active hot water, PVs, high 
efficiency appliances).  My solar engineering coursework along with my perception
of future energy directions has motivated me to reconsider the usual architectural
and interior approaches.

Regards,

William R. Stewart, Jr	(Will)      "Don't worry, be happy"  - Bobby McFarren
wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com   (703)760-0239


From wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:21 EDT 1995
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In article <3vb0e7$1rp@news.duke.edu>, "Charles E. Reese" <reese@chem.duke.edu> says:

>Have you considered underground storage in static aquafers?  The idea is to
>have two wells, in the summer pump solar heated water into the deeper well
>and pump cold water out of the upper well.  In the winter you reverse the
>flow recovering your hot water for heating and storing cold water for the
>next summer.  If the water table is reasonably high then you almost don't
>need a pump in the winter.  I have seen where large quantities of summer heated
>water is stored in old mines in Sweden for use as winter heat.

Do you have any references, findings, or POCs for these projects?  I would very much
like to find out more, especially lessons learned, empirical data, suitable ground
conditions, etc.

Thanks,
 
William R. Stewart, Jr	(Will)      "Don't worry, be happy"  - Bobby McFarren
wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com   (703)760-0239


From C.Liao@utexas.edu Wed Aug  2 23:34:22 EDT 1995
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From: C.Liao@utexas.edu (Chris Liao)
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 I've found books on Goff but not on Tsui, can someone give me some leads?
Thanks.


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From: C.Liao@utexas.edu (Chris Liao)
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Hello, I posted on alt. architecture and got no responses for 2 weeks. 
I've written the external affairs office of Taliesin West and got no
replies.  I don't have their phone number.  I'd like to know if anyone on
this newsgroup has  either attended the school of visited or can give me
information on how to contact them.  I guess I could send another letter
and failing that start hunting down his apprentice.  Help please.  Thanks.


From tvindbox@inet.uni-c.dk Wed Aug  2 23:34:25 EDT 1995
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Subject: Volunteers for Mozambique - building schools
Date: 1 Aug 1995 07:11:59 GMT
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Hello.
Would you like to join this - or do you know anybody who does ?
Do look here:


 VOLUNTEERS FOR MOZAMBIQUE - BUILDING PROJECT

Development Aid from People to People  (DAPP)  search for 
volunteers to work on a building project in Mozambique. You will 
take part in building schools for children in the northern 
part of Mozambique.
Mozambique is one of the poorest contries in the world and has to 
build and rebuild schools after 10 years of war. The war ended in 1993. 
 
You work together with young Mozambicans. 
No formal qualifications needed.

As a volunteer you take part in the following  12 months programme:

- 5  Months training at The Travelling Folk High School in Denmark.
- 6  Months solidarity work in Mozambique. 
- 1  Month evaluation including information work in Europe.

Start: September 4,1995  and  March 1, 1996.
There are a few vacancies September 4.
 
An important principle of Development Aid from People to People  
is that anyone who wishes to, can become a solidarity worker and 
go to Africa. Regardless of age, academic qualifications or background.
But on the other hand you cannot do the work in Africa without being 
qualified. At the  Travelling Folk High School in Denmark you can
attend a course which will qualify you for your work in Africa.

School fees must be paid for your course at The Travelling Folk 
High School.
In Africa you get free food, accomodation and pocket money.


Please contacts us for further information:
Email: tvindbox@inet.uni-c.dk
Mail:  DAPP, Postbox 131, DK-2630 Taastrup, Denmark
Fax:  +45 43 99 59 82
Please mark your message with: SBY-EM





From dzingg@fact.tcf.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:26 EDT 1995
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From: dzingg@fact.tcf.com (Dave Zingg)
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Fernando Paredes (paredes@cloudburst.seas.ucla.edu) wrote:
: Elaine Gallegos (saturn@crash.cts.com) wrote:
: >   Oh, get off your high horse... I think the very idea of using an old 
: > missle base as a residence is totally cool!  So WHAT if he wasn't totally 
: > serious.

: i once took a tour of a missile silo out in the middle of the arizona
: desert.  it was a lot of fun, but not much in creature comforts.  
: still, i agree it's a cool idea....

I once explored an abandoned railroad tunnel. It also seemed like a very 
secure place to inhabit.


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From: dzingg@fact.tcf.com (Dave Zingg)
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fiasco (fiasco) wrote:
: I'm looking for information on underground architecture, both contemporary
: and historic, both of a general nature and also on a specific subject:
: Chinese railroad workers building underground homes during turn of the
: century southwestern USA RR construction.

: Any info on sources and other research advice welcome. Thanks!

: -matt coolidge (mcoolid@sierra.fwl.edu)

Matt, I'd also like to know of any underground architecture references. 
Although I'd be mostly interested in the design and engineering aspects.
Dave


From saturn@crash.cts.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:29 EDT 1995
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From: saturn@crash.cts.com (Elaine Gallegos)
Subject: Re: butterfly chair covers
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harch@randomc.com wrote:
: Does anyone know where I can get leather or cowhide covers for butterfly chairs. If you do, please email me with the name of the 
: place, their address, and telephone number and suggested price.  My email address is:
: Hal Adams
: harch@randomc.com

  Now what exactly is the Buttfly chair?  Isn't it like a folding chair, 
or other metal frame chair?
  I take it that the leather forms the seat of the chair?  I believe that 
in this case that you need to purchase a latigo type of leather.  
  Where are you?  You can purchase the leather at any leather shop.  You 
can also send away for it.  I recommend a store here in San Diego called 
Border Leather.  Senior Goldman can advise you as to the kind to buy.
  You must get the right kind or it may sag with use or be inappropriate 
in some other way.
  You will need to remove the old covers to get a pattern to cut the 
seats.  This is not difficult to do, but you may decide to get 
professional help in the construction. I'd ask someone at a craft shop, 
or a car upholsterer.



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From: saturn@crash.cts.com (Elaine Gallegos)
Subject: Re: Where is the Alternative ?
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Gary Cunningham (Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com) wrote:
: Although I am new here, I am inpatient.
: Where is the alternative Architecturre stuff?

  Don't hold your breath, pal.  There is relatively little alternative 
architecture going on in the U.S., and this UseNet group is only a small 
section of that.



From saturn@crash.cts.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:31 EDT 1995
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From: saturn@crash.cts.com (Elaine Gallegos)
Subject: Passive cooling SUCCESS 
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  Ha ha!  Today I did it.  I found success in my passive cooling 
project.  I covered the sunny sides of the house with silver tarps.  
Found the right roof sprinklers which turned out to be a old fashioned 
sprinkler hose.  The sprinkler hose envelops the whole roof in a fine mist.
  The sunny side of the house remained an even 80 degrees all day long.  
EXACTLY the same temperature as the shady side of the house, where there 
is a huge, money grubbing, energy sucking air conditioner thumping and 
grinding away all day and most of the evening.



From fiasco Wed Aug  2 23:34:33 EDT 1995
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In article <3vif31$no3@bosko.alm.com>, debbieb@bosko.alm.com (Deborah
Blair) wrote:

> A group of First Nations (Indians) named the Lillooet from British Columbia
> Canada were a gathering and hunting peoples that in the winter time would 
> move into underground houses were they would live until spring.
> 
> I have very little information on this. My source for this knowledge is 
> a book called * Sound Heritage: Voices from British Columbia *
> 
> Museums woulod be one source I imagine. If you wish I will type out 
> condensed  discription from the book of the construction.
> -- 

Thanks for the lead. Dont go through the trouble of typing it out. I will
seek out the publication if I need to. Are there particular museums or
academics you would recommend for more information, especially of a more
modern variety?

Matt Coolidge (mcoolid@sierra.fwl.edu)


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Hope this isn't offtopic, but does anyone have information on whether
equipment and materials for blown-insulation are available for use by fairly
competant do-it-yourselfers?  A group of us are doing some eco retrofits on
a house in Berkeley which is part of an organisation with ecological and
community-related goals.  We have fairly good construction skills among us;
the work will begin in September.  Feel free to email, gg@well.com
Thanks...



From gg@well.sf.ca.us Wed Aug  2 23:34:36 EDT 1995
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From: gg@well.sf.ca.us (George A. Gleason)
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Sorry to sound like Mr Sceptic here, but re. the Mozambique item, people
considering travel to Africa should be aware that HIV is pandemic and
endemic, and that sanitary precautions in hospitals in many areas are
virtually nonexistant.  Therefore consult an independent physician with some
experience in international health considerations before planning travel,
and consider the possibility of 1) setting aside a quantity of your own
blood for frozen storage where you'll be traveling, in the event you need a
transfusion; and 2) bringing in a full medical kit particularly including a
quantity of hypodermic syringes and injectible acute-care medications in
sealed containers.

If the above message isn't clear enough, here it is in plain language: if
you're traveling in Africa and end up in the hospital for any reason and get
a blood transfusion or injection of medication, there is a substantial
chance you'll end up with AIDS.  Talk to your doctor before considering
travel.

If this sounds vaguely politically incorrect, pardon my french but tough
shit.  Many of my friends in the gay community have lived through a
slaughter over AIDS here, and the only reason the community is still alive
in any sense is that it had the guts to face unpleasant issues squarely and
explicitly, and take the necessary steps in terms of education and lifestyle
adjustments.



From reese@chem.duke.edu Wed Aug  2 23:34:38 EDT 1995
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wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com (Will Stewart) wrote:
>
> In article <3vb0e7$1rp@news.duke.edu>, "Charles E. Reese" <reese@chem.duke.edu> says:
> 
> >Have you considered underground storage in static aquafers?  The idea is to
> >have two wells, in the summer pump solar heated water into the deeper well
> >and pump cold water out of the upper well.  In the winter you reverse the
> >flow recovering your hot water for heating and storing cold water for the
> >next summer.  If the water table is reasonably high then you almost don't
> >need a pump in the winter.  I have seen where large quantities of summer heated
> >water is stored in old mines in Sweden for use as winter heat.
> 
> Do you have any references, findings, or POCs for these projects?  I would very much
> like to find out more, especially lessons learned, empirical data, suitable ground
> conditions, etc.
> 
> Thanks,
>  
> William R. Stewart, Jr	(Will)      "Don't worry, be happy"  - Bobby McFarren
> wstewart@deispo.deisva.msd.eds.com   (703)760-0239

Sorry, I think I saw the thing about Sweden on a 'Beyond 2000' or some such program.  I had 
the idea about aquafer storage several years ago and I haven't seen anything published on
it.  I tried a Lycos and WWWW serach but didn't get any hits.
Who knows you might be the first one to do it!!

Charlie Reese


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With the blue textured background you used, I couldn't read a thing.
This site has been accessed [Failed! Check server error-log] times since June 16,
                                          1995. 

but I liked the pictures.


From jeeper@halcyon.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:42 EDT 1995
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From: Dennis Shinn <jeeper@halcyon.com>
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On 28 Jul 1995, Daredos wrote:

> , but modernist house boat sorta things.

See if your local library has any books about Seattle houseboats. We've 
got quite a few striking examples floating around here (pun intended! -g-)


Dennis Shinn / jeeper@halcyon.com
SAUG-BBS [206] 644-7115 
The Professional CAD & Graphics Network PCGNet 9:517/215 



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In-reply-to: bdngfld@ilhawaii.net's message of 30 Jul 1995 18:54:10 GMT


Check out _Cordwood, Stone and Earth Masonry_ (I don't remember the author).
It has a section on rammed earth including a page or so of references for
rammed earth/ soil cement.  If you can't find the book, let me know and I'll
put together the references for you.

Also, after reading in this book that Schrader Bellows in Akron, Ohio, is the
US representative for the Cinva-Ram, I contacted them to try to get some
information.  They replied that they no longer carry the Cinva-Ram and had
no knowledge of any place in the US that did.

In article <3vgkgi$md5@lehua.ilhawaii.net> bdngfld@ilhawaii.net (Branch) writes:

>   Posted a request previously, but received no response.  Would appreciate
>   any leads on books/resources on rammed earth building construction
>   methods, design, techniques, code problems, etc.  Is the U.N. still 
>   using the CinvaRam it developed in Columbia, S.A.?  Didn't South Africa
>   develop an automated version of the same brick maker?  


From gee@hal.COM Wed Aug  2 23:34:44 EDT 1995
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From: gee@hal.COM (Greg Emil)
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A friend showed me a rah-rah write up of Roger Rasbach's work on
"The Provident Home" from the January-February '95 issue of Houston
Life magazine (Roger is a Houston resident). The drawings are
lovely and I am intrigued by the claims of energy efficiency and
use of recycled materials. I am wondering if the collected wisdom
of this group has anything to offer on these homes. (Please bear 
with me, as I am not involved in the building/designing/selling biz.)

The whole approach relies on structural panels for both the walls
and roof that either bear loads themselves (in larger homes) or are
attached to post-and-beam steel steel frames (in smaller homes). The
panels are attached with nuts and bolts, and the article says that
assembly is quick and easy (DIY, even, although I doubt that is true
for the steel frame).

The panels are made of non-toxic, steam-expanded polystyrene encased
in Lousiana-Pacific's FiberBond(R) boards. (These boards are "fiber-
reinforced ... made of recycled newspaper and gypsum".) The outside
walls are given one of several treatments; the only one shown is stucco.
Because the panels are insulated, the homes do not have attics.

I can think of a few questions:

 Is this FiberBoard(R) good stuff and worth (I assume) a premium?
 How does this method compare with other methods (cost, efficeincy. etc.)?
 Is a post-and-beam steel frame suitable for the geography of Austin?
 Would I be participating in another experiment if I buy one of these?
 What other questions should I ask when evaluating things like this?

TIA for your comments and feedback!

Greg

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From nancyess@aol.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:45 EDT 1995
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From: nancyess@aol.com (Nancy Ess)
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Subject: Owner/Builders?
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Are there ANY newsgroups, web pages, ftp archives, mailing lists, uh;
anything on the net for owner builders?   


From cmyogawork@aol.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:46 EDT 1995
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Seen the "Real Goods" catalog? Comes out of northern Cal. somewhere in
Humbolt Co. I believe. Ukiah, perhaps.
cmyogawork@aol.com


From rpoole@nas.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:48 EDT 1995
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>   pmahler@ix.netcom.com (Paul Mahler) writes:
>  In <3ul3ki$pv@info.curtin.edu.au> chamberlain glen
>  <chamberl@puffin.curtin.edu.au> writes: 
>  >
>  >Does anyone know of any projects that have been done on water. Not
>  boats or 
>  >anything, but modernist house boat sorta things. I am doing my thesis
>  on this
>  >type of thing, but am having trouble finding examples
>  
>  There are many houseboat communities around the world. Amsterdam and
>  Sausalito, CA spring to mind. You might also look at french canal
>  boats. 
>  
>  -- 
>  
>  ___________________________________
>  Paul Mahler
>  pmahler@ix.netcom.com
>  
>>>>
Regardless of whether the desired floating home is intended to be a boat, or 
very non-boat, in concept the fundamental constraints regards structural 
integrity, hydrostatics, intact and damaged stability and watertight integrity
applicable to boats still applies. 

At one time I lived in the Gate 5 houseboat
community in Sausalito (long ago when it was a throughly bohemian and un-
structured happening that tourists would only photograph from a safe 
distance). I have seen numerous example of ad hoc attempts at creative
and imaginative floating dwellings that ignored these factual requirements,
but usually not for long.

I have a life-long enthusiasm for these alternative, floating homes. Asssuming
one wishes to do it right (i.e. it is safe, financable and insurable) find a naval
architect (preferably one who is a registered PE) and include them in the
project team early on. 

Richard Poole
Apollonio & Poole, Naval Architecture & Marine Engineering, Inc.
Bellingham, WA



From natron@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:49 EDT 1995
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In article <wise0001.6.007E5A88@indirect.com>,
TS <wise0001@indirect.com> wrote:
>In article <3v6crq$jvq$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Tim Schwartz <102472.632@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>>From: Tim Schwartz <102472.632@CompuServe.COM>
>>Subject: Huge Homes/Rural/ICBM Sites!!!!
>>Date: 26 Jul 1995 21:42:18 GMT
>
>>Huge underground homes are available in the form of 
>>de-commisioned
>>Nuclear Missile Bases!   With over 15,000 square feet of 
>>floorspace with high
>>cielings, all built to withstand nuclear blast and 25 to 30 or so 
>>acres of
>>surrounding land, the serious homesteader, commune, person 
>>needing large
>>storage, church  or just a single family wanting to get away from 
>>it all
>>would be well served to investigate this special offering. Also 
>>of mention is
>>the fact that these structures require little heating and no air
>>conditioning, due to the earth over construction. Small industry 
>>is possible
>>due to a large drive in shop area.
>>      Located in Kansas (close to Kansas City) where the cost of 
>>living is
>>low and the problems of the big city are far away, these 
>>properties are being
>>offered starting at the price of $85,000 dollars.  To reproduce 
>>them would
>>run into the several millions!
>>      For more information, please call  Tim at (913) 273-0452! 
>
>  I would hate to purchase one of these 'homes' only to see the Cold War 
>reawakened from a new threat. Would the government repo your property? If they 
>wanted it back, you can be sure you wouldn't have a say in it....
>
>wise0001@indirect.com


I don't hear you talking about residual background radioactivity...do I?


-- 
NATRON@KAIWAN.COM
Silverado


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In article <3vl7gb$3tq@clue.callamer.com>, dzingg@fact.tcf.com (Dave Zingg)
wrote:


> 
> Matt, I'd also like to know of any underground architecture references. 
> Although I'd be mostly interested in the design and engineering aspects.
> Dave

I will post references when I get them. So far I have found little. What is
your interest in underground building, Dave?


From ghoward@primenet.com Wed Aug  2 23:34:53 EDT 1995
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cmyogawork@aol.com (Cmyogawork) wrote:

>Seen the "Real Goods" catalog? Comes out of northern Cal. somewhere in
>Humbolt Co. I believe. Ukiah, perhaps.
>cmyogawork@aol.com

Real Goods
966 Mazzoni Street
Ukiah, Ca  95482-3471
1-800-762-7325
Fax: 707-468-9486

There ya go.  Geo



From vanantwerp@aol.com Fri Aug  4 00:39:14 EDT 1995
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From: vanantwerp@aol.com (VANANTWERP)
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I must have missed the first posting but what symposium are you speaking
about. I would be very interested in finding out any information
concerning quality in the architectural profession.

George


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From ncarb@access2.digex.net Fri Aug  4 00:39:16 EDT 1995
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From: ncarb@access2.digex.net (blair bostick)
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>>  >
>>  >Does anyone know of any projects that have been done on water. Not
>>  boats or 
>>  >anything, but modernist house boat sorta things. I am doing my thesis
>>  on this
>>  >type of thing, but am having trouble finding examples
>>  
>>  There are many houseboat communities around the world. Amsterdam and
>>  Sausalito, CA spring to mind. You might also look at french canal
>>  boats. 
>>  
>>  -- 
>>  
>>  ___________________________________
>>  Paul Mahler
>>  pmahler@ix.netcom.com
>>  
>>>>>
>Regardless of whether the desired floating home is intended to be a boat, or 
>very non-boat, in concept the fundamental constraints regards structural 
>integrity, hydrostatics, intact and damaged stability and watertight integrity
>applicable to boats still applies. 

Along these lines, the latest issue of WoodenBoat magazine has an article 
on boat hull stress design. I haven't read it but it looked like a good 
primer on boat structure that would be applicable in this case.

Blair


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amado1@aol.com
mauricio amado 43300 AIA online

I am finding the same resistance with the architectural comunity of my
area (Baton Rouge, LA) to introduce online services and telecomunication
systems for the architectural community.
I am in charge of AIA online Baton Rouge Chapter & I am trying to
implement a a local BBS for the chapter but I have found that the
community does not seem to be ready for this yet.
Do you have any suggestions in how to encourage them?

Arq. Mauricio Amado M.Arch. 


From BARANSKI@VEAMF1.NL.NUWC.NAVY.MIL Fri Aug  4 00:39:18 EDT 1995
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In my opinion, if the goal is efficiency, we should not be encouraging single
person households.  Single person households are inherently inefficient and
anti-social.

In my opinion the minimal 'efficient' household is four persons.

There are many parts of a 'house' which can be easily shared by multiple
people, ie kitchen, bath, 'social space', workshop space, which are
spaces/functions which cost a lot of money to fully outfit for their functions.

Undoubtedly, individuals need 'private' space which is their's and the can
customize it to suit themselves, and invite and exclude others when and who
they wish.  But, I submit that this private space need not be all the
acutrements necessary for a household.

There is also the question of whether individual homes would fullfill the
social needs of humans.  Personally I find the very name of *apart*ments pretty
gloomy.  I much prefer the 'tiny house' + common space as designed in
co-housing arrangments.

Jim Baranski


From jhelm@ptialaska.net Fri Aug  4 00:39:19 EDT 1995
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I am trying to locate any information on historic Antwerp. In particulat 
I am trying to find floor plans for churches, buisness, and homes during 
the 16th century. If you know where I may find this info please contact 
me at jhelm@ptialaska.net

Thanks Jim



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Interesting!  Now personally I prefer to support locally owned businesses
that pay their workers an honorable wage, rather than the large chains, but
I'm willing to bet that some of the local building-supply places in Berkeley
or Oakland have picked up the idea if nothing else to stay competitive.  If
they haven't, then I'll certainly write a friendly note to management
suggesting it would be a good idea and see what happens.

-george


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gg@well.sf.ca.us (George A. Gleason) wrote:
>
> 
> Ref ...
> Hope this isn't offtopic, but does anyone have information on whether
> equipment and materials for blown-insulation 



Yea, 
Go to home depot,  they rent free equip if you by the insulation
>from  them.

GMC


From william.baumbach@phcc.org Fri Aug  4 00:39:22 EDT 1995
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    The following are, tips tricks and a overall checklist that
    homeowners should know and use for (FAQ) "Frequently Asked Questions"
    to help assure that your Air-conditioning is working and cooling
    as efficiently as possible, while saving you money. The following
    information should help you decide if you need a professional to
    service your Air-conditioning unit.

(1)  Air filter(s) MUST be clean. They should be located near
     the return air duct adjacent to the air handler or in a
     return air grill(s). Check to see if the air filter is clean
     ever 30 days. Depending of the house, you may not need to
     Clean the air filter but ever 30 to 90 days or longer.

(2)  Flip the s witch on the thermostat for the fan setting to
     FAN ON, not AUTO. This will run the indoor fan nonstop.
     The out side A/C unit will still cycle with a call for cooling
     from the thermostat. The constant air moving will keep you cooler.
     You can probably keep the thermostat a degree or two higher then
     normal and still feel comfortable. You will also maintain a more
     even temperature between upstairs and downstairs. This will SAVE
     you MONEY because the outdoor condenser will not come on as much!

(3)  Make sure that you wash the outside condenser coil once a year.
     If it's dirty, the A/C will run hot and inefficient. A sign of the
     coil being dirty is the small exposed copper (pipe) (tubing) line,
     usually a 3/8" O/D connecting the inside unit with the outside
     unit will be HOT to the touch.

(4)  If the small exposed 3/8" copper pipe connecting the inside unit
     with the outside unit is hot to the touch there can be several
     reasons why; (a) A/C is low on refrigerant. (b) The outdoor
     condenser coil is dirty. Those are the two most common reasons for
     it to be hot to the touch.

(5)  "Warm Rooms" on the lower levels of the house cut back or cut off
     some vent registers (Diffuser) and make sure that all the ones on
     the upper floors are open all the way! Also, see paragraphs #2 & #9.

(6)  "Doors" if you close the door to a room make sure that there is about
     a 3/4" gap between the bottom of the door and the floor. You may have
     had carpet put down on the floor and now there is no gap. This is
     necessary so the return air ducts can pull the warm air from the room.

(7)  Never leave the house and turn OFF the A/C. then come  back home and
     turn it on and expect it to cool the house anytime soon. Doing this
     will cost you more MONEY to cool the house then if you had left it on.
     You can set the temperature up five to ten degrees but NOT OFF. This
     is because of a Latent heat buildup in the walls and furniture in the
     house and will make the A/C work harder to remove the heat, this takes
     a long time.

(8)  Never turn the A/C off then back on in less then five minutes, this
     will short-cycle the compressor and can trip  breakers, blow fuses,
     or cause permanent damage the compressor. You should have a time-delay
     install on the A/C to prevent this during power outages! Some setback
     thermostats have a time-delay built-in. Having a start capacitor and
     relay is a good idea.  This will increase the life expectancy of the
     compressor by starting faster thus keeping motor temperature down,
     using less electric to start.

(9)  Keep blinds closed, curtains drawn, window shades drawn, a working
     attic fan would be a good idea, plenty of insolation in the
     ceiling & walls, air tight storm windows, keep outside doors and
     openings close, etc.

(10) "Icing of the indoor coil or the large covered copper pipe"
     There are TWO main reasons for this. Lack of air flow or low on
     refrigerant. Lack of air flow can be a dirty air filter, dirty
     indoor evaporator coil, dirty fan blades, damper in duct restricting
     air flow.

(11) "Water in side around air-handler" see paragraph 10. The condensate
     line is a drain pipe coming from the indoor evaporator coil to a
     drain or to the outside. This can become clogged and cause water to
     backup and can produce about five gallons of water an hour. This is
     where all the humidity and moisture from the house goes.

(12) You should NEVER need to add refrigerant to a system, if you are
     adding refrigerant this means that there is a refrigerant leak in
     the system that SHOULD be fixed! "Why KILL the Ozone layer?"

(13) Checking the cooling with a thermometer. There should be a 15-20
     degree temperature drop across the indoor coil at the air handler.
     Check the temperature drop in the duct close to the coil, if air
     coming into the coil is 75 degrees then the air leaving the coil
     should be 60-55 degrees. If it is higher or lower there is probably
     something wrong. Too high of a drop. IE more then 20 degrees drop,
     could mean lack of air flow or low on refrigerant. Less than a
     15-degree drop could mean too much air flow, dirty outside coil or
     low on refrigerant.

(14) Never cover the A/C with plastic or an air tight cover, this will
     cause it to rust.

(15) Do NOT let animals (Cats) (Dogs) etc. Urinate on the outside
     coil. This will cause it to corrode (rust) and then leak refrigerant.

(16) Keep grass & weeds from blocking air flow on outside A/C.

(17) Do NOT build a deck close to the top of the outside A/C or any thing
     else that could cause the warm discharge air to be recirculate back
     to the unit.

(18) Fuses, Circuit Breakers or wires should never be hot to the touch,
     if they are hot you may have a sizing problem or a loose or bad
     electrical connection.

    When you need to have your equipment repaired/serviced make sure
    you use a licenced contractor who should be insured and obtain
    permits from city/county officials when required/necessary. Or a
    member of the (PHCC) Plumbing, Heating, Cooling Contractors
    Association. PHCC contractors are professionals who adhere to a
    published code of ethics that improves the industry and protects
    your health, certified by the State Board of Contractors.  They
    also have licenses, bonds, insurance and obtain permits when
    required by local municipalities. The PHCC logo is your assurance
    of quality in this profession! Isn't your health & safety worth
    it? It should be! Call 1-800-533-7694 for more information about
    the PHCC.

    Air-Conditioners DO NOT add cool air. What they do is remove warm
    air and put it outside. R-22 & R-12 ETC.. Refrigerant is a
    manmade product invented by Dupont and given the trade name
    FREON. The temperature of refrigerant is directly relate to its
    pressure it is at and vise Versa, IE. R-22 at 0 psi is -144
    degrees below zero or at 60 psi it at 32 degrees. Keep in mind
    that heat goes toward cold and not cool to heat. All the A/C
    compressor does is to pump vapor to create a high and low
    pressure, IE. A low pressure at the inside coil for a low
    temperature for the refrigerant to absorb the heat in the house
    and a high pressure at the out side coil to give off the heat the
    refrigerant absorbed from the inside coil to outside. Over sized
    A/C will run short cycles and not remove the humidity and
    moisture from the house, a under sized unit will not be able to
    keep the house cool on a hot day. You MUST be careful to get the
    correct size A/C for your house. A/C's are sized by tons, there
    are 12,000 BTU'S to a ton of cooling. You need to move 400 CFM.
    of air per ton of cooling across the indoor coil 450 CFM. For
    Heat Pumps. Each CFM. (Cubic foot per minute) of air will carrier
    26.7 BTU's of cooling. You need a heat-gain calculation done per
    room to get the proper (CFM/BTUs) to be delivered to each room
    and the total (Tons/BTUs) needed to cool the house based on
    designed weather conditions in your area.

    The above is my opinion/advice and is based on 15 years experience
    in the Plumbing, Heating, Cooling business. Please fell free to
    obtain other opinions.

 William J. Baumbach II
 E-mail Baumbach@phcc.org
 President. Baumbach Enterprises Ltd. Busy since 1928. 703-250-4200.
 Vice President. Nova. Plumbing, Heating, Cooling Contractors Association.
 SYSOP of the PHCC BBS. 703-273-6580.
 President. Kena Computer Club. 703-573-4202.
 Seller of a Service, Dispatching, Inventory software Program called
 "THE SERVICE HELPER" 1-800-280-2820.
 MM. RA. KT. SR. SH.
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From peter.paetzold@studbox.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Aug  4 00:39:23 EDT 1995
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From: peter.paetzold@studbox.uni-stuttgart.de (Peter Paetzold)
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In article <fiasco-300795184628@blue.hip.berkeley.edu>, fiasco (fiasco) wrote:

> I'm looking for information on underground architecture, both contemporary
> and historic, both of a general nature and also on a specific subject:
> Chinese railroad workers building underground homes during turn of the
> century southwestern USA RR construction.
> 
> Any info on sources and other research advice welcome. Thanks!

Hi Matt,

I have some infos for you about underground-architecture. There are a few
articles about it in the german magazin db 11/93 (deutsche bauzeitung):
- underground storage for oil in Norge
- purification plant at Stavanger, Norge
- gymnasium in Gjovik, Norge
- Matisse museum, Nizza, France
- Conference-centre in St-Germain, Paris, France
- Visitorcentre at Otterlo, Netherlands
- Citymuseum at Rottenburg am Neckar, Germany
- Trainstation Urgell, Barcelona, Spain
and there is a book about chinese architecture:
Chao-Kang Chang and Werner Blaser "Tao in architecture" publishers:
Birkhäuser Basel, Boston 1987. In this book is a chapter about cave
dwellings and adobe houses with plans and photos.
I hope this will help you
peter

peter.paetzold@studbox.uni-stuttgart.de


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From: peter.paetzold@studbox.uni-stuttgart.de (Peter Paetzold)
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In article <fiasco-300795184628@blue.hip.berkeley.edu>, fiasco (fiasco) wrote:

> I'm looking for information on underground architecture, both contemporary
> and historic, both of a general nature and also on a specific subject:
> Chinese railroad workers building underground homes during turn of the
> century southwestern USA RR construction.
> 
> Any info on sources and other research advice welcome. Thanks!

Hi Matt,

I have some infos for you about underground-architecture. There are a few
articles about it in the german magazin db 11/93 (deutsche bauzeitung):
- underground storage for oil in Norge
- purification plant at Stavanger, Norge
- gymnasium in Gjovik, Norge
- Matisse museum, Nizza, France
- Conference-centre in St-Germain, Paris, France
- Visitorcentre at Otterlo, Netherlands
- Citymuseum at Rottenburg am Neckar, Germany
- Trainstation Urgell, Barcelona, Spain
and there is a book about chinese architecture:
Chao-Kang Chang and Werner Blaser "Tao in architecture" publishers:
Birkhäuser Basel, Boston 1987. In this book is a chapter about cave
dwellings and adobe houses with plans and photos.
I hope this will help you
peter

peter.paetzold@studbox.uni-stuttgart.de


From pas48@columbia.edu Fri Aug  4 00:39:25 EDT 1995
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From: Paul A Schofield <pas48@columbia.edu>
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Subject: Re: butterfly chair covers
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On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Elaine Gallegos wrote:

> harch@randomc.com wrote:
> : Does anyone know where I can get leather or cowhide covers for butterfly chairs. If you do, please email me with the name of the 
> : place, their address, and telephone number and suggested price.  My email address is:
> : Hal Adams
> : harch@randomc.com
> 
>   Now what exactly is the Buttfly chair?  Isn't it like a folding chair, 
> or other metal frame chair?
>   I take it that the leather forms the seat of the chair?  I believe that 
> in this case that you need to purchase a latigo type of leather.  
>   Where are you?  You can purchase the leather at any leather shop.  You 
> can also send away for it.  I recommend a store here in San Diego called 
> Border Leather.  Senior Goldman can advise you as to the kind to buy.


	Ms. Elaine, the Museum of Modern Art in NYC sells butterfly 
	and their leather covers... if you want to spend the money 
	and have them delivered to you, you should call the MOMA's 
	Design Store, located on 53rd St. in Manhattan.  I don't 
	have their number handy, but you can get it from Manhattan 
	information (212)555-1212.  MOMA Design Store does a lot 
	of this type of selling, perhaps they can even send you 	
	a catalog.    Good Luck.  


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The Whatever Works presents Sculptured Wall Systems as an economical, modular and 
in-house approach to interior customizing.

We also continue to provide the more diverse services of renovation and custom 
design fabrication upon which our reputation has been built.

We invite you to browse our Web site to learn more about our new services 
including Modular Wallscapes and our economical Home Theater design and 
assembly services.

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From pdd1@aol.com Fri Aug  4 00:39:27 EDT 1995
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<<I am in charge of AIA online Baton Rouge Chapter & I am trying to
implement a a local BBS for the chapter but I have found that the
community does not seem to be ready for this yet.
Do you have any suggestions in how to encourage them?
Arq. Mauricio Amado M.Arch.>>

Hello from the AIA Long Island Chapter :-)

You pose a loaded question.....if you haven't done so already, check out
AIAOnline and go to the new AIAOnline Users Group Forum....very good
suggestions on how to get fellow members Online....

BTW, were you at the AIA Louisiana Computer Applications Seminar this past
Apri in Baton Rougel? I don't remember your name....when presenting, I get
caught up in the whirlwind...keep in touch and let us know how you're
doing with getting people Online...

Regards,

Paul Doherty, Architect
American Institute of Architects
Garden City, Long Island, New York


From jeeper@halcyon.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:08 EDT 1995
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On 30 Jul 1995, Gary Cunningham wrote:

> >
> What about Geothermal.  It is already here, it uses the earth to cool
> and heat coolant (water).  We use it in Texas. 

Have any of these projects been published and if so, could you direct me 
to which pubications.

Thanks in advance for the information.

Dennis Shinn / jeeper@halcyon.com
SAUG-BBS [206] 644-7115 
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I'll resist the urge to flame about social engineering (The
Government/Corporate Council of Economic Gods has decreed that all people
living in single-person households will be taken to a WalMart store for
appropriate re-education!  There, I've said it (duck!)) :)

Personally I prefer living either a) with someone or a group of people I'm
very close to or b) alone.  Living with people I don't have a lot in common
with is the worst kind of torture.  If that makes me an incorrigible fiend,
so be it.  My ecological impact in most ways is actually quite low (if I use
an automobile four days a *month* that's a lot, etc.).

In the near future I'm going to be joining a housing collective of folks
>from  my sustainable community group (Dancing Rabbit).  I'm not planning to
live in the main group house, but in a 2-br flat that's part of the
organisation.  I work largely from home, keep weird hours, and have a couple
of personal vices (pipe tobacco and meat) which I would rather not inflict
on my potential housemates.  I'm an incredibly light sleeper (white noise
*plus* earplugs every night; way sensitive ears, associated with my work in
telecoms which is very auditorally-oriented).  I value my solitude as much
as I value my time with close friends, and need a decent amount of solitude
every day in order to keep my head together from an otherwise too-intense
life.

People vary in their needs for privacy.  Some can conduct a conversation
whilst sitting on the toilet (#2) with the bathroom door wide open.  Some
gladly prance around in the morning in front of their housemates naked with
their hair a mess.  Some don't.  Some would die first.  What is appropriate
to one would be a horror for another.  Some folks like houses with lots of
open spaces and few enclosed spaces.  Some like it the other way, kind of
like a nest with lots of little burrows and places to store acorns for the
winter.  One size doesn't fit all.

Efficiency is a false god.  Ecological sustainability on the other hand is a
vital necessity, but can be met in a number of ways that don't call for
social engineering or at least allow individual variation.  For example,
auto racing isn't a sin compared to commuting by car without thinking about
it.  The auto racer at least is making a deliberate choice based on a clear
set of personal and subcultural values, and the number of people who enjoy
racing is small enough that the world can probably afford to keep them in
petroleum for a long time (as with artists who use chemical paints etc.).
The person who commutes by car because s/he has a real need for the car
during the day i.e. field sales or on-site work, can probably be
accommodated.  The person who commutes by car out of a need to have some
personal space for relaxation can probably be persuaded to switch to another
method (train etc.) if there's another outlet for personal solitude and
relaxation (i.e. perhaps even more private space & a way of getting others
to respect it for some period every day; "Daddy's going in to meditate now,
don't bug him...").  The person who commutes by car out of sheer laziness or
some equivalent, is by far the majority, and these are the ones who are
running the planet downhill.  Since they're basically not making a
deliberate choice, they'd be easy enough to get into public transit if it
went where they needed to go.

So it goes with housing and all the rest.



From denny@scf.usc.edu Mon Aug  7 00:09:10 EDT 1995
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From: denny@scf.usc.edu (Tim)
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In article <C.Liao-0108950039100001@smf-e8.facsmf.utexas.edu>,
C.Liao@utexas.edu (Chris Liao) wrote:

> Hello, I posted on alt. architecture and got no responses for 2 weeks. 
> I've written the external affairs office of Taliesin West and got no
> replies.  I don't have their phone number.  I'd like to know if anyone on
> this newsgroup has  either attended the school of visited or can give me
> information on how to contact them.  I guess I could send another letter
> and failing that start hunting down his apprentice.  Help please.  Thanks.

I found this in the brochure of the Frank Lloyd Wright School of Architecture and I think it might provide you with something to work with :

http://uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu:3333/catalog/FLWSA/flwsa_home.html

Otherwise, call them and bug them ;)

Taliesin West, Scottsdale, AZ : (602)860-2700
Taliesin, Spring Green, Wisconsin : (608)588-7090


Good luck !



Puay Kua
pk006b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
-- 
"Life is too short to be serious"  Oscar Wilde


From MMccracken@megaweb.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:10 EDT 1995
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We are looking into aquiring a couple of silos to move to our property.  We want to convert them 
into housing.  Has anyone had any experience with this type of construction?  I wonder if you would 
be able to cut through the wall for doors and windows.  Would you be able to put brick on the 
outside.  With housing cost so high and not to much free time to build it ourselves, we are hoping this 
will be an alternative.
Melissa McCracken in N Georgia



From bbarrett@comp Mon Aug  7 00:09:11 EDT 1995
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From: Brenda Jo Barrett <bbarrett@comp>
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Subject: Re: Rammed earth
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:55:19 -0500
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On 30 Jul 1995, Branch wrote:

> Posted a request previously, but received no response.  Would appreciate
> any leads on books/resources on rammed earth building construction
> methods, design, techniques, code problems, etc.  Is the U.N. still 
> using the CinvaRam it developed in Columbia, S.A.?  Didn't South Africa
> develop an automated version of the same brick maker?  
> 
> Thanks for any help.  Would love to follow a thread if someone would
> pick it up.

Here's a couple of books I checked out of our University's library this 
past winter:

Adobe and Rammed Earth Buildings : Design and Cosntruction
                             by:  Paul Graham McHenry
                        Pub. by:  Wiley, New York, (c) 1984
                          ISBN#:  0471876771
Library of Congress Call Number:  TH 4818 .A3 M3 1984

and

A Qualitative Comparison of Rammed Earth and Sun-Dried Adobe Brick
                             by:  Richard Hudson Clough
                        Pub. by:  University of New Mexico Press,
                                  Albuquerque, New Mexico (c) 1950
Library of Congress Call Number:  TH 1421 .C55

I found the first book to be quite helpful.  The second book, I thought, was
rather dry, being predominated by statistical charts, etc., but might 
contain information useful to you.

Hope this helps!
Brenda Jo Barrett
bbarrett@comp.uark.edu


From zvi@milkyway.co.za Mon Aug  7 00:09:12 EDT 1995
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From: Paul Schlapobersky <zvi@milkyway.co.za>
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Subject: DOMUS ACADEMY - MILAN, ITALY    Information needed
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Any info. about the Domus Academy would be  appreciated, especially comments from graduates on the 
quality of the program, etc.  Masters of Industrial Design.

Thanks



From rahill@mind.net Mon Aug  7 00:09:18 EDT 1995
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From: rahill@mind.net (Russel A. Hill)
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> Feedback on this would be appriciated, but last summer, without the 
earth 
> tubes, consistantly over 100 F outside, this house did hit an 
> uncomfortable without a fan 82 F.
> Robert
>

I'd like to know how this house did in the winter.  Did the roof design 
have any significant effect (+/-) of heating cost?

Russel A. Hill


BTW: Are there any references to solar 'refrigeration'.  I don't mean 
cooling a house but rather running a refrigerator for food storage using 
something like the heat engine used in gas appliances except the heat 
source would be solar.  How large a heat sink would be required to get 
through the night? ...an overcast day?  How large a collector would be 
required to gather the necessary heat?




From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 00:09:19 EDT 1995
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From: Graham Mancha <graham@mancha.demon.co.uk>
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-I will be in NY from 11 August for a few days. Can anyone recommend 
places I should visit, ie. markets & shops/dealers, where I might be 
able to buy used furniture? I am particularly interested in getting 
hold of an Eames Cat's Cradle chair base. Please reply to 
graham@mancha.demon.co.uk-- ---------- 
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From jwest@pgh.nauticom.net Mon Aug  7 00:09:20 EDT 1995
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purnsg@aol.com (PURNSG) wrote:

>I have a question for the professionals!  I am looking to buy a old
>victorian style city home!  The home is heated by radiators. How
>effective are radiators versus anything else?

Well, I'm not a pro, but I do live in a house with cast iron
radiators. They heat great! Very even and uniform heat. Doesn't get
very dry in winter either. The only drawback is the size and the
looks. If you can get over that, don't worry about it.



From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 00:09:21 EDT 1995
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From: Graham Mancha <graham@mancha.demon.co.uk>
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I could probably arrange to have this done for you. I deal in design 
furniture, and I also restore certain items. These chairs were made by 
many different manufacturers, so the dimensions are probably not 
standard. I expect we will be too far apart to do anything about it 
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From john@iastate.edu Mon Aug  7 00:09:22 EDT 1995
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Colin R. Leech <ag414@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
}In a previous message, prfr10k1@trident.nettuno.it (Italo Profeti) wrote:
}>My name is Italo Profeti, I live in Florence where I am involved as a
}>volunteer with the traffic team of the city Mayor. My duty - and pleasure
}>- is to collect as many informations on traffic, bike circulation and
}>urban design as I can.

}- If it is just cars that are a concern (not bikes or trucks), you can
}  put holes in the ground, separated by a width that allows buses to go
}  through, but which will trap cars.

    I have seen reference to the opposite of this, blocks of
    raised concrete positioned and sized to not allow cars to pass:

     ________        _____________________       ______
             |      |                     |      |
     ________|______|_____________________|______|___________roadbed
                ^    <------ width ------>    ^
                |             and             |
      tire goes here         height        tire goes here
                        sized to allow
                       a bus to pass, but
                      too large for a car

    How does the hole method work?

John
-- 
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Moderator, comp.unix.wizards
Systems Software Engineer, ISU Comp Center + Ames, IA  50011 + 515/294-9551
<a href="http://www.cc.iastate.edu/staff/systems/john/">My Homepage</a>


From mae@macppc.demon.co.uk Mon Aug  7 00:09:24 EDT 1995
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From: mae@macppc.demon.co.uk (Mark Eady)
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In article <3vo1j5$asm@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, amado1@aol.com (AMADO1) wrote:
 
> I am finding the same resistance with the architectural comunity of my
> area (Baton Rouge, LA) to introduce online services and telecomunication
> systems for the architectural community.
> I am in charge of AIA online Baton Rouge Chapter & I am trying to
> implement a a local BBS for the chapter but I have found that the
> community does not seem to be ready for this yet.
> Do you have any suggestions in how to encourage them?

How do those lines from Waynes World 2 and The Field of Dreams go?

'Build it and they will come', well something like that.

I really don't understand why there is so much resistance among
architectural bodies - invent a new building system (curtain walling?) and
everyone goes crazy for it.

I guess the final option is to advertise free sex!

Ok, I know this ain't much help but I'm as frustrated as yourself.

Regards, Mark

-- 
Mark Eady
mae@macppc.demon.co.uk


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Where can I find Information on sunprotection, concerning venetian blinds, roller blinds and vertical lamellas?

Who is interested in *.dxf-files of sunprotection?


From rf@sedona.net Mon Aug  7 00:09:27 EDT 1995
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From: rf@sedona.net (Richard Fairbanks)
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Dear Folks,

  I am trying to find information on the use of thermally conductive
fluids circulating between two layers of glass as a means of climate
control inside glass structures. I understand that there is such a
facility in Vancouver, called, I believe "The Courthouse," but I can't
find any source of info. on it. Also I am interested in fluids that vary
in opacity based upon a controlled voltage. Any and all help would be
appreciated. Thanks!

Richard Fairbanks
Fairbanks Productions, Inc.
rf@sedona.net


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From richard@rt66.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:30 EDT 1995
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From: Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com>
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Cut the hype.
If you have ideas about the benefits of tiny houses such as better use 
of space etc. please post it. Post useful information rather than how to 
buy your excessively hyped product.

If you have something to show, instead of asking $10 for pictures, why 
not put up an http?


Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
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In article <obrien-3107951542000001@st-ppp00.hevanet.com>, obrien@hevanet.com (Michael O'Brien) says:
>
>In article <3vgt5a$aaa@news.internetmci.com>, Gary Cunningham
><Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com> wrote:
>
>> What about Geothermal.  It is already here, it uses the earth to cool
>and heat coolant (water).  We use it in Texas.
>
>Geothermal (Water Furnace, Florida, and similar) works very well here in
>Oregon, for space heating, cooling and water heating, but it is expensive.
>Costs anywhere from $10,000 to $15,000 for one house. Is it cheaper in
>Texas?

In Halifax, one of the office buildings on the waterfront uses water from
the harbour in a heat pump fashion.

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In <3vva37$414@info.curtin.edu.au>, robson kathryn <robsonk> writes:
>I know that this has nothing to do with architecture, but I thought that
>architects are cool enough to have larva lamps.  I am looking for someone that
>has an orange or red larva lamp that they don't want anymore.  Anyone willing?
>
Cant say I've ever heard of a larva lamp. Does it use some form of 
phosphorescent insect to generate light? Fascinating. BTW, orange or red would
indeed be a rarity, since 99% of all bio-luminescence results in a greenish light.

;)




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Melissa McCracken (MMccracken@megaweb.com) wrote:
: We are looking into aquiring a couple of silos to move to our property.  We want to convert them 
: into housing.  Has anyone had any experience with this type of construction?  I wonder if you would 
: be able to cut through the wall for doors and windows.  Would you be able to put brick on the 
: outside.  With housing cost so high and not to much free time to build it ourselves, we are hoping this 
: will be an alternative.
: Melissa McCracken in N Georgia

  A silo house is certainly a novel idea.  It would for sure look 
interesting, especially if you placed two side by side, and joined them.
  Wouldn't a mobile home be more practical?



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well.... in the first winter (lots of walls with no insulation), if we 
had sun, we had windows open. This last winter, from the report I 
received from the renters, they burned about 1/3 cord of wood, until late 
in Febuary, and then used about a full cord of wood for the rest of the 
season. (lost the sun, overhang designed to pick up the sun in the fall 
when you need heat, and it therefore loses it too soon in the spring). 
Some of the heat from the stove is direct, the rest is used to heat water 
that circulates through the floors:

------	Ceramic tile
XXXXXX	2.5" concrete slab, with entran tubing 12" spacing
WWWWWW	1" pink board
QQQQQQ
QQQQQQ	8" gravel
QQQQQQ

With the high ceilings, if the floor was not warm, I'm sure it would feel 
cool, the renters thought it was the most comfortable house they have 
lived in.......
	Robert



From andrep@netaccess.on.ca Mon Aug  7 00:09:35 EDT 1995
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From kral@hpl.hp.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:36 EDT 1995
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In article <DCrIGH.EwK@pgh.nauticom.net>,
Jim West <jwest@pgh.nauticom.net> wrote:
>purnsg@aol.com (PURNSG) wrote:
>
>>I have a question for the professionals!  I am looking to buy a old
>>victorian style city home!  The home is heated by radiators. How
>>effective are radiators versus anything else?
>
>Well, I'm not a pro, but I do live in a house with cast iron
>radiators. They heat great! Very even and uniform heat. Doesn't get
>very dry in winter either. The only drawback is the size and the
>looks. If you can get over that, don't worry about it.
>

Some months ago, the "Old House Journal" had an article all about steam
heat, how to diagnose problems and how to care for the different types of
systems. Good reading.






From newsroom@therecord.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:37 EDT 1995
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Hi! 
I am a Canadian journalist who often writes about homes subjects like
what's new in homes etc. so let me in on any ideas you think my readers
might be interested in.
I work for both national magazines and a local daily paper.

Thanks in advance.  --please advance to Paula Schuck--mark :Personal

-- 
Newsroom - The Record


From dolbydawg@aol.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:38 EDT 1995
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    I have always been very interested in architectural drawings and
models as pieces of art worthy of recognition in their own right.
    Are there any well-established brokers of such art? 
    Unfortunately, I also don't have very much money;  But I just want
pieces I like, I don't need a Frank Lloyd Wright or anything.
     I live in the L.A. area, and would love any contacts you may have.

      Many Thanks,
          DolbyDawg


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Offbeat but clever idea (below), but I was in a wooden icehouse in West 
Virginia many years ago and that icehouse was built before there was 
electricity. Yes, they carried in ice in the wintertime for use in the 
summertime. I don't know how far into the summer they got with it, or 
what they used the ice for, but thats what they told me. No envelope, no 
calculations, no math, no science, no engineering.

On a tangent, some of the finest refractor optical telescope lenses were 
ground by hand BEFORE the equations for lensmaking were understood. Its 
obvious, they ground, then looked at a star, then ground, ... and when 
they couldn't get the image sharper, they stopped.

AES.


======
On 15 Jul 1995, Nick Pine wrote:

> It's 85 F so far here today, and it's supposed to hit 100...
> How much ice does it take to keep a house cool in the summer?
> 
> Suppose it's a completely shaded two-story house, 32' on a side, 16' tall,
> with R20 walls and R40 ceiling, and 20% of the walls have R2 windows, and the
> house leaks 1 air change per hour, and two people live in the house, and use
> 500 kWh/month of electricity, ie 500 kWh/30 days/month/24 h/day = 700 Watts,
> all of which goes into heating the house, so the house itself is heated in
> summertime by about (2 people x 100 W + 700 W) x 3.4 Btu/W = 3K Btu/hour. 
> 
> The thermal conductance of the house is the sum of each area divided by its
> R-value. The walls contribute 4 x 0.8 x 512 ft^2/R20 = 82 Btu/hour/F, and
> the windows 4 x 0.2 x 512/R2 = 205 (more than twice as much heat gain, even
> with no sun...) The roof only adds 32' x 32'/R40 = 26 to that number, and
> the volume of the house is 32' x 32' x 16' = 16384 ft^3, so air infiltration 
> adds another 16384 ft^3/55 ft^3/Btu/F = 298 Btu/F, the biggest heat gainer
> of all. The total above is about 600, so when it's 100 F outside and 80 F
> inside, it takes (100-80) x 600 = 12K Btu/hr to keep the house cool, plus the
> 3K of internal heat gain in the house, ie 15K Btu/hr total, ignoring humidity.
> 
> It takes about 144 Btu/pound to melt ice, and warming the water from 32 F
> to say, 72, requires another 40 Btu. Say 200 Btu/lb in round numbers. So
> each hour of summer AC requires 75 pounds of ice to begin with, ignoring the
> heat leaks to the ice battery itself. A month of AC requires 30 x 24 x 75
> pounds of ice, 54K pounds or 27 tons, with a volume of 54K/62 = 870 ft^3,
> a cube 9.5 feet on a side, not counting insulation, or a 32' x 32' basement
> with 10" of ice in a perfectly insulated tank, under the floor, a tank in
> the corner, 8' high x 10.43' square, not counting insulation.
> 
> I live near Philadelphia, which has average daily minimum temperatures of 
> -5.1C, -4.0 and -2.2 in Jan, Feb and Dec of each year, according to NREL.
> Say it's this cold, ie 25 F, average, for 4 hours a day for 90 days, ie
> 2,440 cooling degree hours, with a 32 F base temperature. How large would
> our low-thermal mass, shallow anti-freeze pond have to be, ie how much shaded 
> surface area do we need, with an R1 still-air film resistance, to somehow
> collect 54,000 pounds of ice, or 7.8 million Btu in the winter? This looks
> like Ohm's law for heatflow to me, ie Q = delta T x delta t x Area/R-value,
> with Q = 7.8 million = 2,440 Area/R1, so Area = 7,800,000/2440 = 3200 ft^2,
> eg a square pond, 56 feet on a side... This would work better on a night
> with some wind, or on a clear night with no clouds and no wind. 
> 
> Or perhaps some snowmaking machines in a tent, over an insulated pit, with open
> tent flaps in the winter, or... Let's see, if an auto radiator with a fan can
> get rid of the heat from a gallon of gasoline in an hour, ie 100K Btu/hr, with
> 200 F water and 100 F air, that's 1000 Btu/hour/degree F, 1000 times better
> than a square foot of pond surface, so we'd need 320 of them. 
> 
> Once again, some numbers on the back of an envelope seem helpful.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 


From tony@tia.dorsai.org Mon Aug  7 00:09:40 EDT 1995
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In article <prfr10k1-0408950819140001@prfr10k1.trident.nettuno.it> prfr10k1@trident.nettuno.it (Italo Profeti) writes:

remote control gates can be found all over ITALY
Sinking barriers isn't a problem, the problem occurs when the go UP.

Why not just hire a few Traffic Control Agents instead, much better than a
gate that is stuck up, and if traffic is very light, they can let
traffic through.

-good luck


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From bushf@aol.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:41 EDT 1995
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if any kind soul can direct me to a web site (or a 'real' site) that
provides digital aerial photos of boston and florence, italy , i will much
appreciate it.
what i'm looking for are relatively high altitude images that are close to
map-like orthogonal projections.
the USGS has this very type of image (USA cities) and i'm in the process
of contacting them (they're on the web but no material can be had there). 
if there's anything else out there that someone could point me to, i thank
you in advance.

scott
bushf(ire)


From dafredster@aol.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:42 EDT 1995
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Recently I visited a construction site where the house was being
manufactured by tacking 4 inch thick foam covered with rerod and covered
with about 3 inches (inside and out I think) with concrete. I looked very
interesting. The final appearance of the home was conventional. Can anyone
tell me how to get more info?

DaFedster@aol.com


From Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:49 EDT 1995
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crawdad@io.com@io.com wrote:
>
>I told You....
Its Lava Lava!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 



From PXYV10A@prodigy.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:50 EDT 1995
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From: PXYV10A@prodigy.com (Philip Brubaker)
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Nick:
In regard to your message about plastic roofing, you will find that there 
are a number of single ply products available on the market today.  If 
you have specific questions for your application, reply to this message 
or contact Manta Consulting, Inc. @ phone (410) 922-7503.  

Phil Brubaker, President

Manta Consulting, Inc.
Engineering Services Division
Wards Chapel, MD 21133   




From whannon@aol.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:50 EDT 1995
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Can we include Industrial Design in this section?


From richard@rt66.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:51 EDT 1995
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Beware of plastic (polystyrene). Although the industry hypes it as safe, 
fire tests show benzene and other toxic fumes. Industry test use 100% 
oxidizing environment to pass codes (a fraud). No fire in ordinary 
circumstances is 100% oxidizing.


Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
-------------------------------------------------------
              Institute for Planetary Renewal
"Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design"




From richard@rt66.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:52 EDT 1995
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****
Does anyone have information about converting a grain bin (like a 
Butler building seen on most farms) into a living space?  Please 
respond by email to:

                cloudmtn@teleport.com
Thanks,
Dave
****
Posted by Richard for Dave who cannot post directly to newsgroups.




From krayenhoff@raven.bc.ca Mon Aug  7 00:09:53 EDT 1995
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     You might try contacting David Easton in Napa California.  His book
"Dwelling on 
Earth" is excellent!  Another excellent book is by Paul McHenry(not sure of the
title
as my copy is currently on loan).  
     SOUTHWEST SOLARADOBE SCHOOL,  P.O. BOX 153,  Bosque, NM  87006  has
provided my library with "Adobe Codes" and "The Earthbuilders Encyclopedia".
     Lydia & David Miller of  2319 21st Ave.,  Greeley Colorado  80631  have put
out 
"Manual for Building a Rammed Earth Wall"  and  "Rammed Earth - A Selected
Bibliography".
     The most prolific use of Rammed Earth is in Western Australia (they call it
stabilized
earth).  A consortium of builders there go by the moniker STABILIZED EARTH
STRUCTURES,  11B Jewell Parade,  North Fremantle,  Western Australia  6159.
     In Canada here, we are developing a cavity wall system utilizing stabilized
earth.

     Hope this is of some help to you!
sent via UUCP from: Raven Net, Salt Spring Island, BC, Canada


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In a previous message, prfr10k1@trident.nettuno.it (Italo Profeti) wrote:
>My name is Italo Profeti, I live in Florence where I am involved as a
>volunteer with the traffic team of the city Mayor. My duty - and pleasure
>- is to collect as many informations on traffic, bike circulation and
>urban design as I can.
 
I suggest the following:
 
traffic:      the transp-l mailing list
bikes:        newsgroup rec.bicycles.soc
urban design: newsgroup alt.planning.urban
transit:      newsgroup misc.transport.urban-transit
 
I have mailed Italo a copy of my list of transportation resources on Internet
separately. If anybody else want a copy, send me e-mail.
 
>Ours is a strange situation: citizens are more and more sensitive about
>pollution but italian culture of driving-a-car-even-to-buy-matches is too
>strong to allow an easy and fast solution.
 
This is not strange. North America and other places suffer from this
problem as well.
 
>More, Florence is a city full (stuffed) of art works and art usually
>doesn't matches any good with traffic, pollution, vibrations, etc. AND not
>even with red & white striped barriers to keep mopeds from bus lanes or
>cars from bike/ped zones. We need *artistic* AND viable solutions,i.e.
>stone signs, wrought iron barriers, no *tube* projects (as soon as we dig
>a pound of ground we come across some etruscan or roman find and we are
>stopped by the Ministry for Arts and Culture) etc. We most of all need
>IDEAS 'couse the matter is new to ourselves.
>
>Even something you could not note any longer for how much it is obvious to
>you could be innovative for us. We need short-term solutions that don't
>clatter up the way to long-term ones. Any help, advise and reference will
>be appreciated, REALLY!
>
>We have a major need right now: to keep cars, motorcycles, mopeds and even
>BIKES from usig some *strategical* streets where only bus circulation is
>to be allowed instead. As stated before we need something different from
>the usual type of barrier not compatible with the city look.
>
>We thought of a barrier consisting in two lines of small columns, offset
>to one another like the skittles.
>
>This little columns could be of strong crash-resistant material and
>covered with any more appealing surfade like marble or wrought iron or
>what else we could need in the specific location according to the artistic
>presences in the roundabouts.
>
>They should be mobile, i.e. they would SINK into the ground,  totally
>disappearing, via a remote control operated by bus drivers; soon after the
>passage of the bus they would ARISE back from the ground. All
>hydrodynamically.
 
I would avoid something like this. The maintenance would be a problem.
However, the idea of remote-controlled gates is a good one. I would use
a more conventional gate or barricade, not one that goes into the ground.
(Dirt etc. will collect in the mechanism on the ground.)
 
The mechanism for opening the gate can come in many forms:
 
- An inductive loop detector, like those used for counting traffic, or
  detecting traffic at a traffic signal. There are models available which
  can differentiate between a car and a bus.
- If your transit system has some sort of automatic vehicle detection/location
  system already, this can be used to detect the bus as it approaches the
  desired location.
- A standard automatic garage door opener would work! (One per bus)
- If it is just cars that are a concern (not bikes or trucks), you can
  put holes in the ground, separated by a width that allows buses to go
  through, but which will trap cars.
 
>If you have any suggestion, tip or more - you know any project of
>something like this or even know someone who produces such an equipment -
>please CONTACT me.
 
I'm cross-posting this response to misc.transport.urban-transit as well,
in case other people have ideas.
 
>I thank you all in advance. Italo
>prfr10k1@trident.nettuno.it (Italo Profeti)
 
--
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 ag414@freenet.carleton.ca  |->  planner by choice, trombonist by hobby.
 Nepean, Ontario, Canada    |->  "I'd like a penny." - Tom Downs, Amtrak.
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Italo, I would strongly suggest against trying to keep bicycles out of your
strategic bus streets.  Bicycle riders will always find the shortest route
>from  point A to point B.  Anti-bike barriers will only lead to more
accidents, and increased traffic enforcement against bicyclists will only
lead to civil unrest.

Here in Berkeley California we have large concrete barriers to keep cars out
of certain local streets.  Bicycles go around them.  In San Francisco,
bicyclists have gotten so fed up with hazardous riding conditions that they
have a regular protest on Friday evenings where they ride in a huge crowd
and take over the main commercial street, to the degree that the police find
it more prudent to just let them have the street for a couple of hours
instead of trying to write tickets.

If you want to discourage cars, bikes are the way to go.  One thing you
could try is a major advertising campaign to associate bike riding with sex
appeal.  It's certainly true that it's easier to stop & say Hello to someone
if you're both on bikes or one is on a bike and one is on foot.  Riding a
bike gives you a chance to show off your physique or perhaps improve it
through exercise to the point where you'd want to show off.  A sleek bicycle
is more attainable for the masses than a sleek sports car, so it's
inherently democratic.  One could keep thinking of more ideas along these
lines... turn them into billboards and TV ads, and watch what happens.

In general, never try to accomplish by rules what you can accomplish by
attraction and persuasion instead.



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From fllw2b@aol.com Mon Aug  7 00:09:57 EDT 1995
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  Hi All, 

    I'm looking into colleges for, obviously, architectural studies and
was wondering if someone could tell me something about the University of
Illinois at Chicago.  I've heard it was a great school for this, but was
wondering what the general concensus was.  Also, I'm looking into a new
computer and would like some advice on a home system that will also run
CAD with minimal problems.

                                                    Thanks, 
                                                         Jim  


From robsonk Mon Aug  7 00:09:58 EDT 1995
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From: robson kathryn <robsonk>
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I am doing my thesis in architecture in Western Australia.  A guy that I study
with comes form a farm in WA and for his thesis he is converting two silos that
are actually on his farm into housing.  At the moment he is in the preliminary
stages of investigating the qualities of the space and the possible
alternatives for the conversion.  He may have some information for you. I will
find out his mail address, but in the meantime, you can reply to me and I will
pass it on to him.  My address is 
robsonk@puffin.curtin.edu.au
Good luck.
Kathryn.



From robsonk Mon Aug  7 00:09:59 EDT 1995
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From: robson kathryn <robsonk>
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I know that this has nothing to do with architecture, but I thought that
architects are cool enough to have larva lamps.  I am looking for someone that
has an orange or red larva lamp that they don't want anymore.  Anyone willing?



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>
>Tis was only a test-answering to find out, how long it takes to receive
an answer, and how to leave a compuserve-mailadress in the message



From @cais.com Mon Aug  7 00:10:01 EDT 1995
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I and about a half dozen of my friends want to pool our money and buy an old commercial building and convert it into individual apartments for each of us.  None of us have ever even owned a house, let alone do something so unconventional.  How do we get started?  Are there any books or article on this?  What are the legal issues, what will the banks want?  Do we form a limited partnership, have joint ownership?  How do we establish seperate titles for each apt.?  How do we deal with changing the zoneing for the building?  Are there any examples of designs for such a conversioin.  How do we estimate the true cost in time and money?  If anyone has any ideas on this project I would appreciate them.  We are just a group of friends who want to live in a better environment, but don't have the money to buy on our own.  I hope you can help.  Thanks!  Ron Hochstetler


From brandeis@bitbike.iaf.nl Mon Aug  7 00:10:02 EDT 1995
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From: brandeis@bitbike.iaf.nl (Richard Brandeis)
Date: 04 Aug 95 22:42:17 
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Hello Italo,

In Amsterdam they have the same kind of problem.
They are now testing a kind of electronic stake called "Amsterdammertjes".

And they do also have car-traps (only busses can pass that trap) if you try to
pass them by car, you ruin your car !!

Maybe you should contact the City of Amsterdam to get more information.


 greetings,
        Richard
      brandeis@bitbike.iaf.nl


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robson kathryn <robsonk> wrote:
>
LAVA! LAVA!  LAVA!  LAVA!  LAVA!  LAVA!


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Gary Cunningham <Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com> writes:
>I told You....
>Its Lava Lava!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lava lava lamps? Now I'm really confused.
I 've never heard of any technology that would cause Polynesian
garb to give off light. I'd love to know how it works.
If anyone can post helpful data regarding lava-lava lamps, I'm
certain many folks would appreciate it.

P.S.: any tech data on larva lamps would be interesting too.
I's still like to know more about bio-luminescence as a practical light source.


From richard@rt66.com Mon Aug  7 00:10:06 EDT 1995
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From jacksons@puffin.curtin.edu.au Mon Aug  7 00:10:08 EDT 1995
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From: jackson stephanie <jacksons@puffin.curtin.edu.au>
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Touch - A Meeting of Parts.

As my Dissertation topic for fifth year Architecture at Curtin University of
Technology I'm designing an art gallery complex on a semi-demolished flour mill
site in Cottesloe, Perth, Western Australia.  It will contain two large
permanent collections, 6 temporary galleries for local artists, a commercial
gallery, a workshop with dark rooms etc., an artist-in-residence accomodation
an studio gallery, a bookshop, cafe and associated administration areas.

The site organisation is based on the pavillion in the park; as opposed to a
perimeter building enclosing a court.  I have been looking at projects such as
Isosaki's Bass Institute, OMAs La Vilette, Meier's Kunstmuseum in Frankfurt
etc.  

The site is a large wedge shaped block adjacent to the railway, two busy
streets and a quiet residential street.  There is a 1850 m2 flour mill building
on the site, a disused railway siding running down the middle plus a bizarre
geometrically organised garden of poplar trees.

My direct influences for the choice of programme and site has been through some
investigations into site and the joining of objects to their site (by this I
mean figure/ground, aura (Eisenman), context etc.) I have been reading heaps
including Rosalind Krauss, Michael Benedikt, Carol Burns, Peter Eisenman, Greg
Lynn etc.

If there's anyone out there who has any comments on the connections of
buildings to site, programme to site, new buildings to old buildings, the state
of art in the nineties, folding in architecture, romantic discourse about
beauty in the section (or anything slghtly relevant) please send info and/or
good vibes to:

			jacksons@puffin.curtin.edu.au

thanks,
Steph.



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 <100551.372@compuserve.com> writes:
>
> <100551.372@compuserve.com> writes:
>>
>>Tis was only a test-answering to find out, how long it takes to receive
>an answer, and how to leave a compuserve-mailadress in the message
>
Why is the answer  not below the first request?



From rpoole@nas.com Mon Aug  7 00:10:10 EDT 1995
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Amen, brudder...



From barock@ukans.edu Mon Aug  7 00:10:11 EDT 1995
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Maybe they are lava larve lamps?

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From CharlieC@netins.net Thu Aug 10 23:06:24 EDT 1995
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From: CharlieC@netins.net (Charles Collins)
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This is a copy of a column that appears on the WWW for those that are
web-less. I hope to inform you about using the dependable sun for your
added comfort and convenience. I have been writing a weekly "ask Mr.
Solar" column for the past three years in the south  west which has been
published in several local newspapers - It is now on the Web as you will
see the column is written so that anyone can understand and apply solar
electricity to their every day use. We, Fran and I, have learned through
trial and error what works and what doesn¹t in solar and want to pass this
information on to you.  I will be writing about using sun, wind, and water
to generate pollution free electricity. I will outline the advantages as
well as the
disadvantages of each type of energy. In order for this column to be of
interest and help to you, I invite you to Email me your questions and
comments.

Dear Mr. Solar: What does it involve to generate, store and power a
     home on alternative electricity? Question from Francis LaBonte, Miami, Fl

     Mr. Solar: An alternative electrical energy system consists of three major
     components: a way to generate electricity, store electricity and
     an inverter to make friendly usable alternating current(AC).

     The electrical generating component can be a set of solar electrical
panels,
     a water turbine, a wind mill or a generator. The most economical
     generating system used in most parts of the world is a small
     water turbine or hydro system. They will generate 24 hours a day
     from a small stream. The use of a set of solar electric panels is
     dependable where there is non- polluted daily sun shine. Another
     choice is the use of a wind mill that is a very economical
     providing there is ample wind. The generated electrical DC power is stored
     in a large set of batteries.

     The batteries are the only part of your system that will need
     attention from time to time. The batteries should be large enough
     to store power for several days. The two choices of batteries are
     the lead acid or the alkaline type. The cheapest in relation to
     the purchase price is the industrial lead acid batteries. But
     they require more maintenance. The major disadvantage of alkaline
     type is that they are considerably more expensive up front. On
     the positive side, they will last twenty years or more and are
     considerably less expensive over the long haul.

     The other major component of any alternative electrical system is the
     inverter. This is a piece of equipment that converts your stored
     DC electrical power to friendly usable AC power. There are many
     inventors to choose from and we will cover these in depth in
     later articles.

     You will also need switches, fuses, and controls built into your
     system. These will enable you to operate you own power company
     for years with very little attention on your part. You will need
     to watch the gauges as you do on your car so that you will be
     aware of the condition of your electrical system.

     A solar electrical system has only three major components and
     they are interconnected so that your system operate
     automatically.

Charlie Collins lives in Southwest Utah and has written a weekly column for
THE DAILY SPECTRUM in St. George, Utah for the past three years.

If you have any questions, or would like more information about solar
electricity, you can contact Charlie via Email address:
(MrSolar@netins.net). Charlie will respond to your questions in the next
couple of days and, if your question is good enough, it may find its way
into his "Ask Mr. Solar" column.

I will containing mirroring the article that appear on the web site here
in this newsgroup - unless you folks find their length objectionable. 
 
CharlieC

Email   
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Mr Solar's Home Page:
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 - Mr Solar's Global Network  alternative energy powered  Homes + Criss/Cross
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From conover@max.tiac.net Thu Aug 10 23:06:26 EDT 1995
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Doug Beatty (reid_mtn@terranet.ab.ca) wrote:

: regards to all i always used 12'000 btu per ton or 6btu per lb of ice 
: for cooling calculationsIn article 

Then you are getting incorrect results.  As Nick has pointed out, it requires
the removal of approximately 288,000 Btu to freeze one ton of water into 
one ton of ice.  This works out to be approximately 144 Btu/pound.  You can
check this out in any engineering handbook.

The point of your confusion may be this:  One ton of refrigeration is defined
as the cooling capacity required to remove 288,000 Btu PER DAY.  This 
translates to 12,000 Btu per hour.  Since most of todays refrigeration 
equipment is sized in terms of its Btu capacity per hour (not per day), 
you may be equating 12,000 Btu to a ton, where in reality, its 288,000 
Btu per ton.  

                                         Harry C.\




From andrep@netaccess.on.ca Thu Aug 10 23:06:27 EDT 1995
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From: Andre Poulain <andrep@netaccess.on.ca>
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rf@sedona.net (Richard Fairbanks) wrote:
>
>   I am trying to find information on the use of thermally conductive
> fluids circulating between two layers of glass as a means of climate
> control inside glass structures. I understand that there is such a
> facility in Vancouver, called, I believe "The Courthouse," but I can't
> find any source of info. on it. Also I am interested in fluids that vary
> in opacity based upon a controlled voltage. Any and all help would be
> appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Richard Fairbanks
> Fairbanks Productions, Inc.
> rf@sedona.net




MARVIN WINDOWS



From pas48@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 23:06:29 EDT 1995
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From: Paul A Schofield <pas48@columbia.edu>
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Subject: RE: Info on straw/hay bail techniques.
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On 6 Aug 1995, Neil Weckesser wrote:

> Could anybody point me towards any good books or sites containing info
> on straw/hay bail house building techniques.
> Any info at all would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Neil
> 
There's a new book called The Straw Bale House that can perhaps address
some of your needs: 

			The Straw Bale House
			by David Bainbridge, Athena and Bill Steen
			published by Chelsea Green Publishing Co.
				     P.O. Box 428		
				     White River Junction, Vermont
				     05001
	
			isbn: 0930031717
			US$30.00/CAN$40.00
			
I haven't read the book, but it looks quite informative (297 p., 
well illustrated). Good Luck.  

				
	> 


From nstn3068@.fox.nstn.ca Thu Aug 10 23:06:30 EDT 1995
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From: nstn3068@.fox.nstn.ca (Keith Doucet)
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Subject: Log home problems, ants-fungus. Help!!!
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Thanks for taking the time to read.
My problem is carpenter ants and a fungus that appears in the checks outside.
I've tried ant bait but it seems to take too long to work and i'm worried that 
they might have gone too far into the log to be effective. Also will gouging 
out the fungus and treating it with borax then filling the scar with a polymer 
filler like Check-Mate be enough of a solution?
Any response would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to e-mail me directly if 
you wish.
Thanks.                                                 Keith.



From horney@UPEI.CA Thu Aug 10 23:06:31 EDT 1995
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From: horney@UPEI.CA (Dr. Barbara Horney)
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 I believe that there was some information on this group previously
on building for those with environmental sensitivities. Can anyone direct 
me to some good information sources for this topic? Tank you in
advance!     Barbara Horney  <horney@upei.ca>


From ohratz@aol.com Thu Aug 10 23:06:33 EDT 1995
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Lava, hot lava, turn on your lava, lava light!
The B-52's


From jcweiss@gate.net Thu Aug 10 23:06:35 EDT 1995
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From: jcweiss@gate.net (Jon Weiss)
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Subject: Want To Begin a Discussion About Sustainability
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After passively reading the postings in this newsgroup, I would like to 
begin a discourse on the concept of sustainability and its implications 
to the built environment.  As most of you know, the attempts to define 
sustainability have fallen short of the precision that some people are 
looking for.  I am becoming convinced that the inability of the 
profession to define sustainability in general, and specifically for the 
built enviroment,  may be due to to it wholistic (synergistic) nature of 
dealing with the built environment.  Are any of you satisfied with the 
commonly expressed definition of sustainability as (I am paraphrasing 
this) "a strategy to provide for the resource needs of today while also 
providing for the resourse needs of tomorrow."  Thanks in advance for 
your time and consideration!

JC Weiss
Florida House Foundation



From jdixon@igc.apc.org Thu Aug 10 23:06:36 EDT 1995
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Here in the US the best place to find lava lamps is at garage sales held 
by aging hipsters. The next best place is Ruby Montana's Pinto Pony, a 
palace of kitsch in Seattle, Washington. I don't have the address or 
phone number, but try directory assistance, area code 206. I think they 
start at around US$60. I prefer the models with star-shaped perforations 
around the metal base...they cast a nice pattern of light to go with the 
undulations of the ersatz lava.




From jdixon@igc.apc.org Thu Aug 10 23:06:37 EDT 1995
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Here in the US the best place to find lava lamps is at garage sales held 
by aging hipsters. The next best place is Ruby Montana's Pinto Pony, a 
palace of kitsch in Seattle, Washington. I don't have the address or 
phone number, but try directory assistance, area code 206. I think they 
start at around US$60. I prefer the models with star-shaped perforations 
around the metal base...they cast a nice pattern of light to go with the 
undulations of the ersatz lava.




From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 10 23:06:38 EDT 1995
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In article: <3vva37$414@info.curtin.edu.au>  robson kathryn <robsonk> 
writes:
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> From: robson kathryn <robsonk>
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> I know that this has nothing to do with architecture, but I thought that
> architects are cool enough to have larva lamps.  I am looking for someone 
that
> has an orange or red larva lamp that they don't want anymore.  Anyone 
willing?
> 
> Be careful buying old lava lamps, they don't last for ever, and eventually 
the wax inside goes all horrible and they stop working. You can still buy 
them new in the U.K. I cannot remmember the name of the manufacturer, but I 
think they are based in Poole, Dorset, England.
Regards, Graham
> 
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From binsurf@aol.com Thu Aug 10 23:06:40 EDT 1995
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The absolute best book I have seen is The Straw Bale House by Steen, Steen
and Bainbridge. It is distributed by Real Goods Trading Company of
Northern California. They were instrumental in getting it put together.
Publisher is Chelsea Green Publishing Co. White River Junction, Vermont.
Many bookstores can get it or contact real goods through the 1 800
directory. Good Luck.


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NORTHERN ARIZONA SUSTAINABLE BUILDING NETWORK

                presents

         ‘STRAW BALE CONSTRUCTION’

an Evening with Matts Myhrman and David Eisenberg

Wednesday, August 16, 1995
7:00 PM - 9:00PM Flagstaff City Hall
Flagstaff, AZ, USA

Donations:  $2 NASBN Members
            $3 Non-Members

Northern Arizona Sustainable Building Network (NASBN) is an all
volunteer, not for profit, open membership organization dedicated to 
providing educational programs and resources concerning affordable, 
energy efficient, resource conserving building practices.

Contact NASBN at:   P.O. Box 1951
                    Flagstaff, AZ 86002

         or via :   Paul Doherty
                    (602) 779-6236
                    lago@primenet.com

Matts Myrman is a co-founder of Out-on-Bale, the internationally 
recognized organization for the straw bale movement.  Located in
Tucson, Out on Bale provides general resources for straw bale building, 
including written materials and videos.  They sponsor workshops all 
over the country on straw bale building and publish _The Last Straw_,
the leading (only?) straw bale building journal.

Contact Out on Bale at: 1037 E. Linden
                        Tucson, AZ  85719

David Eisenberg, a contributing author to _The Straw Bale House Book_, 
is director of the Development Center for Appropriate Technology (DCAT) 
in Tucson.  DCAT is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.  Lately, he has
also been working on developing the Bale Research Advisory Network 
(BRAN), an informal network of people and organizations working on 
research, testing and development of straw bale construction.  David 
has led numerous workshops on straw bale building and has been 
involved with developing building codes for straw bale construction.

Contact DCAT at:  P.O. Box 41144
                  Tucson, AZ 85717
                  strawnet@aol.com 




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Earthship Global Operations
PO Box 2009
El Prado, NM 87529
(505) 751-0462 FAX: (505) 751-1005 E-Mail: earthshp@interserv.com

ANNOUNCING THE EARTHSHIP CONCEPT

The Earthship is a completely independent  globally oriented dwelling unit made 
>from  materials that are indigenous to the entire planet.  The major structural 
building component of the Earthship is recycled automobile tires filled with 
compacted earth to form a rammed earth brick encased in steel belted rubber. 
This brick and the resulting bearing walls it forms is virtually indestructible.  
The three foot thick massive walls and the method of incorporating them into the
earth create living spaces that retain a constant temperature.  Thus, with natural
ventilation systems built in, an Earthship home will heat itself in the winter and 
cool itself in the summer without the use of centralized fossil or nuclear fuels.  
The Earthship is also completely independent in terms of power, water and sewage.




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Earthship Global Operations
PO Box 2009
El Prado, NM 87529
(505) 751-0462 FAX: (505) 751-1005 E-Mail: earthshp@interserv.com

ANNOUNCING THE EARTHSHIP CONCEPT

The Earthship is a completely independent  globally oriented dwelling unit made 
>from  materials that are indigenous to the entire planet.  The major structural 
building component of the Earthship is recycled automobile tires filled with 
compacted earth to form a rammed earth brick encased in steel belted rubber. 
This brick and the resulting bearing walls it forms is virtually indestructible.  
The three foot thick massive walls and the method of incorporating them into the
earth create living spaces that retain a constant temperature.  Thus, with natural
ventilation systems built in, an Earthship home will heat itself in the winter and 
cool itself in the summer without the use of centralized fossil or nuclear fuels.  
The Earthship is also completely independent in terms of power, water and sewage.




From mric@aol.com Thu Aug 10 23:06:45 EDT 1995
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Please send a copy of your catalog to:
   Ric Morgan
   138 Williamsburg Station
   1710 N.A. Chas. Road
   Jeffersonville, IN 47130-9790

Thank you!


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In article <400mqp$1da@news.internetmci.com>, Gary Cunningham <Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com> says:
>
>robson kathryn <robsonk> wrote:
>>
>LAVA! LAVA!  LAVA!  LAVA!  LAVA!  LAVA!

Ah, the memories.......

Cheers,
dba


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From: dba@haven.uniserve.com (Brian Allardice)
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In article <3vvqt4$ibq@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, bushf@aol.com (BushF) says:

>if any kind soul can direct me to a web site (or a 'real' site) that
>provides digital aerial photos of boston and florence, italy , i will much
>appreciate it.

You might try

http://www.coresw.com/info/imagenet/data_prov.html

Check out the KV100 camera from IASIS(?)

Generally, try remote sensing from the virtual library at CERN.

(I suspect none of this is cheap, but there is a freebie of boston
available)

Cheers,
dba


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Apologies if this is not an appropriate group for posting the following 
announcement:



INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE
THE EUROPEAN TOWNS AT THE DAWN OF THE 21st CENTURY

September 18-20, 1995
Santo Kiriko, BULGARIA

Organized by COUNCIL OF EUROPE
Congress of Local
and Regional Authorities
in collaboration with
The EUROPEAN FORUM
"Capital Cities of United Europe" Sofia
and
The  SOFIA GREATER MUNICIPALITY
Prof. Dr. Gottfried Boehm
a guest of honour, PRITZKER-winner

I N V I T A T I O N

        Dear Sir/Madam,

The Council of Europe, in collaboration with the European Forum "Capital
Cities of United Europe" and the Sofia Greater Municipality, will organize
in Santo Kiriko, near the town of Plovdiv a major Conference on European
Towns at the Dawn of the 21st Cent ury from 18 to 20 September 1995.

At the end of this century, filled with dramatic events, the towns of
Europe face a new challenge in their development.  Centres of public
activity in the formerly separated and now united Europe, they have to
embark upon the next century as centres for d emocratic social life,
political stability, harmonized interaction with nature, with architecture
and town planning quality.  Towns and cities are the places where the past
and the future have met, are opposed and reconciled.  Cities provide a
union between the centre and the periphery, the personal and the
collective, the transient to the everlasting.  At the dawn of the new
century, an authentic town culture is endangered by irreversible losses.
It is urgent to define clearly a strategy for its protection.  The
Conference is intended to stimulate an exchange of accumulated professional
experience on the management, financing and legislation of the complex
range of activities which secure the sustainable development of European
towns and cities and preserve their identity.

The Conference includes a Round table on the theme "Contemporary
Architecture in the Ancient Compounds" providing for an active dialogue on
town development issues, protection of the built heritage, town planning
questions and addressing the crisis of th e architectural design and
quality in the personality and character of a town.  In such a manner, all
of us will bring together our joint missions of architects, town planners
and citizens to preserve the specific image of the town in a new united
Europe, as a centre of high culture and harmonized interaction between the
natural envi ronment and town structures.  These towns will be the
landmarks of a new stage in the cultural development of the Europe of the
21st century.  I should like to invite you therefore to participate in this
Conference, organized in Santo Kiriko, Plovdiv, Bulgaria.

Yours faithfully,

Professor I. Papazchev

President of the Organizing Committee of the Conference and Chairman of the
European Forum "Capital Cities of United Europe"

PROVISIONAL PROGRAM
September 17, 1995 - Sight-seeing of Sofia
September 18,  1995 - 10 a.m. Opening session
September 18-20, 1995 - Conference sessions,
posters, exhibition
September 19, 1995 - Bachkovo Monastery visit
Sept. 20, 1995 - Sight-seeing of ancient sites

GENERAL INFORMATION

Venue of the Conference-Santo Kiriko
        Congress Centre near the town of Plovdiv
Participation - The Conference will be
        opened for participation and attendance
        to all people interested in its main topics.
Official languages - Bulgarian, English, French
Deadline for submission of  papers, posters, films,
video cassettes before September 5, 1995

OFFICIAL BANK

SOFIABANK LTD-SWIFT CODE: COBEBGSF
325 421 300 3 $
Branch Batenberg - 25084218
Account Number 1110207705 in USD
12, Batenberg Str., Sofia 1000
 European Forum/ International Conference


REGISTRATION FEE

Before September 10, 1995
Participants            200 US $
Members of the
European Forum          100 US $
The registration fee will include:
Registration, the conference papers,
cocktail, coffee, tea,soft drinks,
Sofia sight-seeing,
visit to the Bachkovo Monastery,
excursion to the old town of Plovdiv.
Payment at the beginning of the seminar is acceptable.

SECRETARIAT OF THE CONFERENCE

European Forum "Capital Cities of United Europe"
1303 Sofia/ P. O. Box 3, BULGARIA
Tel.:(359-2) 70-87-94; Fax: (359-2) 65 68 63

PROGRAM

18 September 1995

10,00-10,30 OPENING SESSION. Welcome and addresses by:
Mr. Dontcho Konaktchiev - Vice-Prime Minister
of Bulgaria, Minister of Regional Development and
Construction
Dr. Josef Hofmann - President of the Chamber of
the Local Authorities to CLRAE
Ambassador Dr. Svetlozar Raev - Permanent
Representative of Bulgaria to the Council of Europe,
Member of the Committee of Ministers' Bureau
Professor Alexander Yantchulev - President of the
Town's Union in Bulgaria and Mayor of Sofia
Professor Ivan Papaztchev - Chairman of the
European Forum "Capital Cities of United Europe",
Rector of the University of Architecture,
Construction and Geodesy, Bulgaria

10,30-10,45 Coffee break
10,45-12,45 TOPIC 1: TOWARDS AN EUROPEAN TOWN'S
POLICY FOR PRESERVING THEIR IDENTITY AND
SECURING SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT
Chairman:
Mrs. Magdalena Tovornik - Mayor of Maribor,
Slovenia, President of the Permanent Conference
of the Slovenian Municipalities

10,45-11,00 The European Urban Charter
Mrs.Cristiana Storelli - Reporter of CLRAE on the
European Urban Charter

11,00-11,15 New dimensions of territorial development in
Europe
Ambassador Jerzy Regulski - Permanent
Representative of Poland to the Council of Europe,
Chairman of the working group "Local and regional
authorities" to the Committee of Ministers

11,15-11,30 Local authonomy and town planning
Mr. David Fryer - Secretary General of the
European Council of Town Planners

11,30-11,45 Sustainable development of towns
Arch. Mitio Videlov - Deputy Minister of Regional
Development and Construction (Bulgaria)

11,45-12,45 Discussion
12,45-14,30 Lunch break
14,30-18,00 TOPIC 1 (to be continued)
Case studies
14,30-14,45 Town development in France
Mr. Robert Laffont - Confederation francaise de
l'habitat, de l'urbanisme et de l'amenagement du
territoire (COFHUAT)
14,45-15,00 The development of towns in the United Kingdom
Mr. John Harman - Vice-President of the
Association of the Metropolitan Authorities (AMA),
UK, Leader of "Kirklees Metropolitan Council"
Experience of countries in economic transition
15,00-15,15 The experience of Poland
The Mayor of Warsaw (to be confirmed)
15,15-15,30 The Bulgarian experience
Arch. Belin Mollov - Head of Department, Ministry
of Regional Development and Construction
15,30-16,00 Coffee break
16,00-17,30 Discussion
19 September 1995
9,30-12,45 TOPIC 2: PROTECTION AND EVALUATION OF THE
ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE
Chairman:
Professor Todor Krastev - European Forum
"Capital Cities of United Europe",
Representative of Bulgaria in ICOMOS
9,30-9,45 Local legislative and financial tools for the protection
of the architectural heritage
Mr. Jose Luis  Alvarez - Notary, Ex-mayor of
Madrid - Spain (to be confirmed)
9,45-10,00 Methods and techniques for the conservation of
the architectural heritage
Arch. Vassil Kitov - European  forum "Capital Cities
of United Europe" (Bulgaria)
10,00-10,30 Coffee break
10,30-10,45 Motivation and awareness of the public and its
engagement in the conservation of the architectural
heritage
Mrs. Linda Branchesi, Rome (Italy)
Case studies
10,45-11,00 The experience of Strasbourg (France)
Mr. Jean Dick - Permanent Representative to the
International Society of City and Regional Planners
11,00-11,15 The Bulgarian experience
Professor Todor Krastev - European Forum "Capital
Cities of United Europe"
11,15-12,45 Discussion
12,45-14,30 Lunch break
14,30-18,00 TOPIC 3: SOCIAL INTEGRATION AND
IMPROVEMENT OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IN
PROBLEM RESIDENTIAL QUARTERS
Chairman:
Professor Ivan Nikiforov - European Forum
"Capital Cities of United  Europe",
University  of  Architecture, Construction  and
Geodesy, Bulgaria
14,30-14,45 Presentation of the problems:
Assoc. Prof. Alexander Alexandrov - European
Forum "Capital Cities of United Europe", Vice-Dean
of the University of Architecture, Construction and
Geodesy, Bulgaria
14,45- 15,00 Lion - the experience of a big city
Mr. Pierre Michaux, Head of Urban Department
of the Lion Municipality (France)
15,00-15,15 Charleroi: an experience of Belgium
Mr.Jean-Claude van Cauwenberghe - Mayor of
Charleroi
15,15-15,30 The experience of the Netherlands
Mr. Tjeerd Deelstra - International Institute
for Urban Environment, Delft
15,30-16,15 Discussion
16,15-16,45 Coffee break
16,45-17,00 Improvement of town's aesthetics and education
Ambassador Dr. S. Raev - Permanent
Representative of Bulgaria to the Council of
Europe
17,00-18,00 Discussion
20 September 1995
9,00-11,45 TOPIC 4: CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE IN
THE ANCIENT TOWN'S COMPOUNDS:
RESPONSIBILITIES OF ARCHITECTS, URBANISTS
AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES
9,00-9,15 Chairman and presentation of the themes:
Ambassador Dr. Svetlozar Raev, Permanent
Representative of  Bulgaria to the Council of Europe
9,15-10,15 Round table
Participants:
Professor Arch. G. Boehm, Pritzker-winner,
a guest of honour, Germany
The reporters on the three main topics of the
conference, prominent urbanists, architects and
engineers
Professor Wolfgang  Pehnt, Cologne-Germany,
special guest (to be confirmed)
10,15-10,45 Coffee break
10,45-11,45 Round table with the attendance of all participants
11,45-13,00 CLOSING SESSION
Chairman:
Dr. Josef Hofmann - President of the
Chamber of the Local Authorities to CLRAE
11,45-12,45 Adoption of the final declaration
12,45-13,00 Closing addresses by the hosts and the Council of
Europe
13,00-14,30 Lunch break
14,30-18,00 Visit to ancient sites

Please reply to vias@bgcict.bitnet
                vmadjarska@delta.is.tcu.edu


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From: Charles Ashman <asmena@emf.net>
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Subject: pool treatment
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Does anyone have info re: treating pool water without the use of 
chlorine?  Methods and/or materials? Costs? Efficacy.

TIA

Charles


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Can anyone suggest a publication that provides resources (in addition
to Sweets) for design professionals to help put a set of contract
documents together?

Thanks in advance,
Harout



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Date: 9 Aug 1995 04:10:26 GMT
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I was sure this was a new type of lamp using lightning bugs!!
It would seem to me this person would be a prime candidate for 
bifocal doors also! (I once worked in a lumber yard where someone came
in looking for these doors)

			DeWayne Epley
			Residential Designs
			http://www.atlwin.com/resdes/resdes.htm


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Please send to:

   Jim Gould 
   500 Hillside Ave
   Hillside, Illinois 60162


                             Thanks


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THE END


Bastille Day
July 14, 1995

On June 9 and 10, 1995 a very spirited eleven man jury reviewed 350
projects submitted to THE JUICE competition.

On the first day the jury weeded out three dozen projects for their second
day of deliberations.  Sixteen of these projects made the final cut. 
Twelve were judged worthy of distinction and commendation.  The jury did
not select just one first prize winner.  The jury selected five winners. 
Compensation for the winners was left at the discretion of the
Professional Advisor and the Organizer.  The jury also selected seven
projects as worthy of citation.  The jury indicated that none of the
honourable mentions be premiated.  One recipient of highest honours and
one recipient of a citation were disqualified on technical grounds after
the jury had concluded.  The jury honour roll (after disqualifications and
in an order preferred by the Organizer, i.e., THE END) follows:


HIGHEST HONOURS (Winners; $2,500 premiation):

Phil Overbaugh, Architect	               Oakland, California

Anurag Nema	                                 Dallas, Texas/Shahdol,
India

Yuji Fukui	                                                   London,
United Kingdom

Richard Williams, with James Tharp       Fort Worth, Texas


CITATIONS OF MERIT (Honourable Mentions; no premiation):

Paul van der Erve, Architect	Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Eric Ritchey, with Angeleine Askham

                                                      Washington State
University	
                                                      Pullman, Washington

Chu Tzu-Hao, with Su Yu-Hwa	London, United Kingdom

Keith Moskow, Architect	Boston, Massachusetts

Wes Wazni	                  New Haven, Connecticut

Anthony R. Guida, with Michael W. Jacobs

                                                     University of
Kentucky	                                                    
Lexington, Kentucky


Other finalists included:


David K. Wagner, Architect,
with Larry McFall, Sam Yue and Scott Blackburn	
	
                                                           Charlotte,
North Carolina

Akemi Iwaki, with Chisako Nakamura

                                                           Kyoto Institute
of Technology	                                                          
Kyoto, Japan

Peter Szczepaniak	                       London, United Kingdom

Anke Naujokat,
with Christina Lill and Ulrich Moller	

                                                           Aachen, Germany


Semi-finalists included:

Laurel Denise Keene - Bay City, Michigan;

Randy Walker, Kathleen Lane - Portland, Oregon;

Daniel J. Scully, W. Charles Gibson, Alan N. Saucier, Susan
Phillips-Hungerford - Peterborough, New Hampshire;

Peter Cook, Boris Srdar - Indianola, Washington; 

David W. Goldberg - Seattle, Washington; 

David Rockwood - Brooklyn, New York;

Samantha Perkins - Arlington, Texas;

Andrew R. Cruickshank, Robert T. Gardner, Angela R. Gardner - South Miami,
Florida; 

Scott Rimmer - San Diego, California; 

Jon Bryan Burley -Perrinton, Michigan; 

Armeson, Castro, Limon & Lopez - Capistrano Beach, California;

Brian G. Boake - Don Mills, Ontario;

Amit Green, Toby Edward - London, United Kingdom; 

Pere Armadas, Montse Samarra - Barcelona, Spain; 

Carlo G. Gross - Hamburg, Germany;

Dimmity Walker, Felicity Walker, Jane Wetherall - Perth, Australia;

Eugen Jindra - Praha, Czech Republik; Alexei Jylin, Alex Tsimailo -
Moscow, Russia;

Oliver Elser, Andreas Doll -Berlin, Germany; Barry Walsh - Timaru, New
Zealand.

An article regarding the jury of THE JUICE appeared in the June 11, 1995
issue of the Los Angeles Times.  Results of THE JUICE will also most
likely appear in upcoming issues of Competitions (P.O. Box 20445,
Louisville, Kentucky 40250) and Compe + Contest (Synectics, Inc., Room
202, 4-9-24 Sendagaya, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo, Japan 151).  An article
regarding THE END is slated to appear in the October 1995 issue of World
Architecture.  For future developments in THE JUICE (including an Internet
exhibition) and further announcements by THE END please see future
postings at the USENET newsgroups: alt.architecture and
alt.architecture.alternative. THE END may also be contacted by e- mail at
either THEEND5517@AOL.COM or THEEND@echonyc.com until further notice.

The Jury, THE END and the Professional Advisor would like to thank all
competitors for their interest and participation in THE JUICE.  We hope
you enjoyed THE JUICE and that you consider entering future competitions
organized by THE END. Congratulations to all.

Sincerely,

Jane Harding Housden, A.I.A.
Professional Advisor, THE JUICE

THE END

PO BOX 1332
CULVER CITY, CA
90232

TEL/FAX: 213-296-6226


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	Does anybody know how you could go about making a lava lamp?

	Thanks

-- 
Eric


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Don't buy a CAD machine yet -- wait until you have started your
studies.  The school you go to may have a preferred system (Mac/PC).
Also be aware that your machine will be obsolete by the time you
graduate, so don't spend the family fortune.  Do plan to spend
$2500 or so.

-- 
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From jstanley@gate.net Thu Aug 10 23:06:58 EDT 1995
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950808180045.28516A-100000@emf.emf.net>,
Charles Ashman <asmena@emf.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have info re: treating pool water without the use of 
> chlorine?  Methods and/or materials? Costs? Efficacy.

My pool in SW Florida is treated with a product called Baquacil
instead of chlorine. As I understand it, the chemical in
Baquacil was developed as a surgical soap and was found to be
effective in water treatment. The only differences I've found is
that bubbles on the surface from splashing last a little longer,
the skin doesn't become saturated with that sickening chlorine
smell, and hair doesn't turn to straw.

-- 
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net



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On 5 Aug 1995, George A. Gleason wrote:
 [all snipped]
George writes from Berkeley where we have auto barriers, speed bumps 
[more and more each week], a "slow street" that was straight but was made 
to function like a serpentine street also with speed bumps and some 
streets with parking excluded from one side for bike lanes. With the 
possible exception of the bike lanes all of the above are anything but 
"democratic" since they tend to disadvantage the many for the benefit of 
a few whose streets have less traffic as a result of the modifications.  
The general effect of the barriers is to concentrate traffic on fewer 
roads creating worsened conditions for the people on those streets. They 
also  cause drivers to have to make longer trips to get to some places 
thereby creating more traffic in total. The redundant grid works very 
well.  Screwed up it works poorly. The speed bumps are being challanged 
by our emergency response teams as they threaten to slow response time and 
damage their vehicles.  The "slow street" is an expensive joke. 
Our three or four means of public transportation are moderately effective. 
However if anyone in Berkeley has a life which extends beyond our city borders 
a car is a necessity. This is California after all.  The streets have to 
accomodate cars. 
By the way some of the initial barriers were moved by 
the local residents because they were a burden to them too. 
Venice is beautiful and quiet without auto traffic.  Maybe canals where the roads 
are would be good.

Charles Ashman, Berkeley  


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From bml@teleport.com Thu Aug 10 23:07:01 EDT 1995
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Boucher Mouchka Larson Architects
209 SW Oak, Suite 600
Portland, Oregon  97204

Just wanted to announce our new Web site in architectural newgroups.
Stop by for a visit.  http://www.teleport.com/~bml
Always interested in talking to talented new graduates as well as
established architects visiting the Portland, Oregon area or planning
on moving here.

BML Architects is a mid-size firm providing creative design solutions
and unfailing service. Projects include work in High Technology,
Industrial, Health Care, Higher Education, Commercial, Governmental,
and Public sectors. We are also trying to develop the capacity for
advanced 3D computer graphics to enhance the design process and
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Stop by our web site:
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And watch for our coming addition to our web site:
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This will feature AutoCAD modeling as well as rendering done with
AutoVision and 3D Studio.
We would love to hear from any Architects or Designer making use of
these products for Architectural Visualization, especially those with
web sites. We can compare notes, experiences, and perhaps link to your
site. 3D specific e-mail should be brought to Martin's attention.
Place "To Martin" in the Subject header of your message.

Hope to see ya in Portland
bml@teleport.com




From t134@aol.com Thu Aug 10 23:07:02 EDT 1995
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From: t134@aol.com (T134)
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From mpamedia@aol.com Thu Aug 10 23:07:03 EDT 1995
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Interplan: The New Designers Saturday is New York's premier contract
interiors exhibition, conference, and industry event. It takes place from
November 1-3 at the New York Coliseum.

To learn more about the event visit the new InterPlan Web Site. Log in
before October 18 and you can register for free via a simple form (at the
show registration is $15).

The address is http://www.mfi.com/interplan.


From astudio5@aol.com Thu Aug 10 23:07:04 EDT 1995
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From: astudio5@aol.com (Astudio5)
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Subject: Request for Memories - First Night - Boston
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We are currently requesting information for a New Year's Eve bash where
we, aStudio, will take place in the First Night festivities in the city of
Boston, Massachusetts.  We are currently working on an exhibit and an
interactive installation that will be shown on the eve of 31 December 1995
.  We would like to ask for memories of Copley Square in Boston.  These
can be photographs, sketches, email responses, etc. and will be included
in our celebratory New Year's Eve party and exhibit.  aStudio celebrates
its founding on New Year's Eve and is located in the heart of the First
Night festivities, Copley Square.  We are currently planning on an outdoor
exhibit adjacent to our studio which will be a part of these festivities
and which may include these memories.  These memories will also be
exhibited in a collage format at the aStudio party.  Mail information to
aStudio, 25 Huntington Avenue, Suite 230, Boston, MA 02116.  Images which
are available to download would be great as well. Thank you and we look
forward to your response.


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I believe Crate and Barrell here in Boston/ Cambridge area sells black
leather covers.  They are located throughout the area and are generally
very helpful.  Use information for the phone number since there are so
many of them.  Good Luck.


From john@iastate.edu Thu Aug 10 23:07:07 EDT 1995
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Charles Ashman  <asmena@emf.net> wrote:
}On 5 Aug 1995, George A. Gleason wrote:
} [all snipped]
}George writes from Berkeley where we have auto barriers, speed bumps 
}[more and more each week], a "slow street" that was straight but was made 
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
}to function like a serpentine street also with speed bumps and some 
}streets with parking excluded from one side for bike lanes. With the 
}possible exception of the bike lanes all of the above are anything but 
}"democratic" since they tend to disadvantage the many for the benefit of 
}a few whose streets have less traffic as a result of the modifications.  
}The general effect of the barriers is to concentrate traffic on fewer 
}roads creating worsened conditions for the people on those streets.

   A properly designed traffic-calming plan should endeavor to
   provide its benefits to all neighborhoods diverting through
   traffic to non-residential arterial streets.  However, it seems
   unlikely that many cities would have the resources to accomplish
   a complete plan immediately.

}                                                                    They 
}also  cause drivers to have to make longer trips to get to some places 
}thereby creating more traffic in total.

   The one study I've found (FHWA Case Study 19) which quantifies this
   found ``Average journey time for motorists increased 33 seconds''.
   Which, IMO, is for all practical purposes, approximately zero
   -- a trip could easily vary more than that by getting red or green
   at a single stoplight!

}                                        The redundant grid works very 
}well.

   It works well for arterial streets, can work well inside a
   neighborhood, it's at the boundary that it doesn't work well.

}       Screwed up it works poorly. The speed bumps are being challanged 
}by our emergency response teams as they threaten to slow response time and 
}damage their vehicles.

   Studies (in fact, one done in Berkeley) do not seem to support
   this contention, quoting FHWA Case Study 19 again ``Additional
   studies in Berkeley showed that traffic control devices had
   little or no effect on policy emergency response time.  The city
   of Palo Alto that bicycle boulevard barriers had not impaired
   police or fire emergency response.

}                        The "slow street" is an expensive joke. 

   It need not be expensive, there are cost effective methods.
   And studies have shown that reduced accident costs can more
   than offset their cost

}Our three or four means of public transportation are moderately effective. 
}However if anyone in Berkeley has a life which extends beyond our city borders 
}a car is a necessity. This is California after all.  The streets have to 
}accomodate cars. 

   Traffic-calming is not about getting rid of cars.  Traffic-calming
   is about cars being good neighbors.

}By the way some of the initial barriers were moved by 
}the local residents because they were a burden to them too. 

   A good idea poorly executed is not a bad idea.


John
-- 
John Hascall                ``An ill-chosen word is the fool's messenger.''
Moderator, comp.unix.wizards
Systems Software Engineer, ISU Comp Center + Ames, IA  50011 + 515/294-9551
<a href="http://www.cc.iastate.edu/staff/systems/john/">My Homepage</a>


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>  
> There has to be a better word than "holes", but I'm hitting a mental block.

Ruts? Channels?


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From m.williams@auntie.bbcnc.org.uk Mon Aug 14 14:00:15 EDT 1995
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From: m.williams@auntie.bbcnc.org.uk (Mike Williams)
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Please can someone tell me the name of the architect who used actual trees 
with branches in building design - maybe in Hungary?  Did he write any books?

Please e-mail me.

Mike



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 Don't want to scare you but Ants may mean termites. 
I read in one of those woman magazines that spraying with chillipeper and
water solution the other is babypowder. I dont't know if they really
works.

Jill


From newsroom@therecord.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:17 EDT 1995
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Hi I'm a journalist with a specialty in Homes articles. Send me any
interesting ideas you thin should be in print.
Paula Schuck

-- 
Newsroom - The Record


From kekeck@aol.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:19 EDT 1995
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response to the first two messages under this heading:

why do you think that is? and how can we change it? i was excited to see
that this newsgroup existed but i have too been somewhat disappointed.
perhaps there is a way that this could be improved...
and bring in some more alternative ideas, et al...

any comments, suggestions - i would be sincerely interested to read and
discuss further.


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check out an antique shop on 69th between columbus and broadway.
and then there is the salvation army on 46th bet 10th and 111th avenues.
hmm... good luck


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Robert LaPorte of the Natural House Building Center, Fairfield, IA
(515)472-7775
offers workshops in straw/clay construction and natural plastering. Good
luck.


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I'm sure you're not big on unsolicited advice (how's that for an opener?),
but I'll neglect my better judgement and  provide some anyway...
Whatever else you do, avoid reading Eisenman.  Eisenman's comments about
Derrida, and Derrida's comments on Eisenman are both telling and to the
point; each seems to respect the other so far as his area of expertise
extends, but Peter seems to think that Derrida doesn't know what he is
talking about when it comes to architecture, and it doesn't take a
philosopher to know 
that Eisenman's theoretical writing isn't the the most disciplined.  Don't
trust Tschumi either.  (is there something bad in the water at Columbia??)
 His texts seem accessible enough, but his history isn't all there - take
the "De- Dis- Ex-" DIA Foundation article - mostly speculative (which if
you're reading George Hersey, I somehow don't seem to mind), not much
substance.Also, I would council skepticism whenever you get near Krauss. 
Not because I don't respect her area, but because her area is quite
tricky, and you need to be introduced to Lacan by someone who disciplines
the text in such a way as to make the material accessible.  Jacquiline
Rose has written a very good introduction to Lacan's "Ecrits", and for my
money, if you want to get at the Lacanian angle on language and semiotics,
try two books by current Berkeley Rhetoric faculty: 
"Bodies that Matter" by Butler, and "The Subject of Semiotics" by
Silverman.  Both seem to do a bang-up job of summarizing Lacan in a
shockingly short time, and the rest of the work is both lucid and
intriguing.  This brings one to an interesting point: if you are about to
engage these questions of object and site in terms of the "object in
field" vs. "field in object" dialectic (the two building types you
mention), then this question of insides and outsides becomes entirely
germane to the discourse on psychoanalysis.  Construction of the subject,
interior of the subject, etc., etc..  My guess is that this may be the
most difficult (it certainly is for me), but most fruitful area for you to
move into.  Get guidance.  I wrote my master's on Alberti and quattrocento
architectural semiotics at Cornell, and had very little help with the
material.  Wasted ungodly 
amounts of time.  Took an extra three months to complete.  Expensive. 
Discouraging.  Talk to the M.L.A. people at your university, if you have
to.  Avoid the Psych dept.  They're never any good.  Try French Lit.  Good
luck.  Drop a note if you're ever in need...
Aloha,


FRITZ JOHNSON


From jfbjr@aol.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:27 EDT 1995
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Define "Alternative Architecture". That way we have a common baseline in
discussing "alternative" and "normal".

Is it "Alternative" because of...

...planning. How spaces are arranged for
convience/flow/dynamics/structure?

...aesthetics. Is the look somehow unusual/groundbreaking/ugly?

...systems. Is technology integrated into the architecture in a
unique/altenative way. Or is the use of technology significant? If so, the
current discussion on Geothermal Cooling seems to be alternative.

John Benware


From dpeeks@neosoft.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:29 EDT 1995
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The upcoming issue (August 14, 95) of Engineering News-Record has an 
article titled, "Industry swells on Internet" written by Judy Schriener. We, 
at The Construction Site, want to sincerely thank Judy for the plug see 
gave our site in her article. The article is very positive. Engineering 
News-Record is a McGraw Hill magazine that is distributed world wide. 
Almost all construction and construction engineers receive the publication.

Thanks Judy,

The Construction Site
http://www.constr.com/
cybermaster@neosoft.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From heritage@su1.in.net Mon Aug 14 14:00:30 EDT 1995
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We can supply beams, weathered siding, plank flooring, and other 
materials from old barns we dismantle.  If you are considering building a 
post-and-beam or other rustic style home, please contact us via e-mail 
for more information on antique materials.

John Dishman
heritage@in.net


From richard@rt66.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:32 EDT 1995
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Earthships are not that cheap. The walls are labor intensive (expensive 
in time/money) and the roofs are very expensive. I do not believe 
earthships are a low cost solution.

Richard Austin  --  email: richard@rt66.com  --  radio: KG7SU
-------------------------------------------------------
              Institute for Planetary Renewal
"Creating a Better World Through Healing & Design"




From sparks@helix.eskimo.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:33 EDT 1995
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From: sparks@helix.eskimo.com (Scott Parks)
Date: 11 Aug 95 16:26:26 -0800
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jdixon@igc.apc.org wrote in a message to All:

 jao> Here in the US the best place to find lava lamps is at
 jao> garage sales held  by aging hipsters. 

Aging hipsters ..... hawwwww ... I love it!

 jao> The next best place is
 jao> Ruby Montana's Pinto Pony, a  palace of kitsch in Seattle,
 jao> Washington. I don't have the address or  phone number, but

603 2nd ave ..... (206)621-7669

Watch out for the tinny-boppers that sometimes man the phone ...
but lava-lamps are pretty easy.

Scott Parks
sparks@helix.eskimo.com 


From sparks@helix.eskimo.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:34 EDT 1995
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From: sparks@helix.eskimo.com (Scott Parks)
Date: 11 Aug 95 16:37:18 -0800
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edymond@wam.umd.edu wrote in a message to All:

 eue> Does anybody know how you could go about making a lava
 eue> lamp? 

Same way we used to do light-shows.  Get oil-soluble dies and/or
water-soluble dies and mix them as desired.  Small bulb in base
should get them moving.


Scott Parks
sparks@helix.eskimo.com 


From Gary.Cunningham@internetMCI.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:37 EDT 1995
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chamberlain glen <chamberl@puffin.curtin.edu.au> wrote:
>
> 
> My current dissertation topic deals with a suburb in which powerlines such as
> these run through......

I (Gary Cunningham) writes: (without spell check)

There are major issues here...
Look into Low frequency Electomagnetic Fiels,  EMF's
Wheather buried or above the ground low frequency electromagneticc
feilds are quite an issue.  They can cause cancer, etc.  
There are several studies, the good ones by Sweedes, that discuss
parameters. Also a few  books on the subject, I read then a few yaers
ago, have them somewhere, If it is  realy important to you, I will
find out the titles for you.....


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I slept on the issue of how to cure the world and what the Prez
should do in order to be an instrument of progressive change and lo
and behold I woke up with morning with a dream about it!

The dream went like this:  

I don't know how I got to be where I was, but it was outside in
some public square surround by big cement buildings in a downtown
area of some huge depersonalized American city.  In the background
was Paolo Soleri's Arconsanti with the curved and elegant
structures outside of Scottsdale, Arizona. We were in a dismal
situation witnessing the cities collapse. Mental illness and
dysfunctional families could be found in even the most 
privileged neighborhoods.

As I was sitting on some concrete bench outside of city hall,
Hillary Clinton walks up to me.  I could tell by her benevolent
aura that she was hurting every much from being in a position of
power, but not really being able to cure the social ills.  Since
their term in office, they hadn't witness a Renaissance in America,
but an attitude of hatred and greed had grown vicious against the
poor.

She asks me what I thought of living in America.  I look over my
shoulder, over the highways and highways of car exhaust, mile after
mile of suburban square houses, shopping malls with McDonalds and
Kentucky Fried Chicken on every block in THE WORLD and say, "This
is an ugly world.  Does this world represent your soul, Hillary? 
It doesn't represent mine.  Deep down I know I should be living in
a world of beauty and love, a world where all our human rights are
cared for, a place where people are happy and creative."

She replies, "But how do we do it? I can't stand looking at the
suffering people any more!  I have to DO something about it. What
do you think is the worst problem in the city?"

I say, "All the problems are interrelated. The automobile is
definitely one of the worse inventions which has destroyed the
quality of life.  Look over to your left. There in the desert you
can see that Soleri has designed cities without automobiles.  If we
are to evolve and, therefore, to survive our species must reshape
the city into an ecocity or else we will parish.  As long as there
is poverty and material inequality, no one is safe from crime.
Today in the _Boston Globe_ there was an article entitled, "State,
federal prisons reach record 1 million inmate level." The article
quoted Jenni Gainsborough of the Civil Liberties Union's National
Prison Project who said even with the tougher sentencing for drug
offenders public safety had not increased.  She said, "We keep
putting more and more people in prison, and it's not doing any good
at all."  It is time to stop building prisons and begin building
ecocities!

Another man about my age starts to read a definition of arcology in
a book he has with him. He says, "An arcology is a word combining
architecture and ecology, ecological architecture."  That was a
helpful note in our conversation, but then he started trying to
steal the conversation and talk to Hillary about some points which
were off the topic.

I look at Hillary and say, "Isn't that just like a man.  Here we
are engaged in an intelligent conversation about the problems of
the world and some guy is trying to get us off the topic!  We can't
allow ourselves to get sidetracked!  Hillary, the key to the future
is to focus on architecture on how to provide shelter which is
ecological sustainable for the 4 billion people on this planet.
There are no ecocities any where on the planet and it is our moral
responsibility to create one."

Hillary nods her head.

She continues with me, "I thought universal health care would be
the issue which would bring about a more humane social order, but
apparently that was not the issue to cause the necessary social
transformation.  I thought that universal health care would be a
bipartisan issue which all Americans would support. Dealing with
the issues of housing and education are the hot issues because they
deal so heavily with the govererning ideology and family values.  
We didn't dare tackle those controversial issues!"

The guy was feeling hurt that we had pointed out how he had
interrupted us, so Hillary call him forth and gave him a 
pat on the knee.

I reply, "There is no way to avoid these issues. We absolutely
have to build a neu edifice.  In order to do this, we have to
restructure the educational vision for the 21 Century so that it
usesadvance technology to liberate the human spirit.  We must begin to
think as futurists in a humane way, not in the way that Newt
Gingrich thinks of in terms of business, profits, and international
markets.  We will never design ecocities if we continue to compete
with ourselves.  It will only come about if we start to cooperate. 
The message of educators should be on how to educate the youth with
the skills, talent, and genius they need to build a sustainable
ecocity. This means that we have to embrace an ideology of social
liberation. Hillary, what scares you most:  Being a social
liberatrix or having the right-wing gain the power to enact their 
fascist plans?" 

Hillary exclaims, "Well, I don't know if I would go to the extreme
of calling them fascists!"

Neutopia asks, "Didn't they call you a feminazi? Any people who
don't want to provide health care to their people in my opinion has
a fascist mentality. They are out to eliminate the poor, not by
designing a world without poverty, but by genocidal tactics such as
not allowing certain people access to health care and everything
else that goes along with mental health."
 
"So," Hillary sighs, "What do we do?"

"Your campaign strategy for the next election should be one of 
"Rebuilding the Edifice of Education." Now listen closely.  We are
seeking a cultural change of lifestyle. We are moving from the
Industrial Age of Material Productivity which scarred the landscape
with mansions and slums to an Age of Leisure and Learning, an Age of
Arcology, what can be termed as the Age of the Information
Lovolution. In Neutopia, robots will do most of the labor so that
humans are free to discover and develop the true powers of the
Self.
 
You must get beyond your own personal ego and lust for power if we
are going to gain the consciousness to save the Earth for human
beings.  In other words, you must use the next election time to
forward the work of the visionaries and inventors who have been
working for centuries to evolve the social architecture of society. 
The purpose of the election campaign should be focus on the 

       "Neu Purpose of Education, Building a Network of Ecocities"

Clinton's "National Homeownership Strategy" to "create 8 million
more US homeowners by 2000" is steering us down the road of
oblivion.  His plan of developing more single-family housing for
private ownership is NOT what the people need.  It is what the
world of capital and profit need to keep us isolated and keep us
slaves to home mortgage payments. In fact, what keeps this economy
going is the housing industry and the military.  Both of these
institutions are bankrupt concepts which must be transfigured if we
are going to find the wisdom to save the world.
  
Also, the nuclear family is breaking up. No longer do we need
houses which makes us into consumers of everything, but we need to
develop a plan which brings us back together to share resources and
child care.  The model of an ecocity is a place of communal
facilities where healthcare workers, therapists, sociologists,
educators, etc. are living daily with the people they are called to
serve.  Most of all, we need to create a society which doesn't
commute. All these problems can be solved if we start thinking in
terms of developing a neu public housing plan based on Ecocity
lines.

The role of the United States of America in this global
transformation is to set the example for 21th Century development
for the rest of the world. We are moving from the American Dream of
homeownership and the nuclear family, to a dream of a collective
spirit building a world of arcologies on the various bioregions
throughout the planet. The task of the US is to lead the way using
advanced technology to re-design the built environment to exist in
balance with nature. 

This experiment in a revolutionary urban design is meant to not
only serve as a prototypal model of development for the first
world, but also for the third world.  We will *need* scholars,
engineers, scientists, artists, anthropologists from around the
world to help construct this Neu vision.  To gather together the
best minds of the planet to work on this noble project is your job,
Hillary."

Hillary ponders for a few moments and replies, "You are talking
about changing the labor force to begin to move in an entirely new
direction. The American way of life would be destroyed and so would
our currency."

Neutopia grins and says, "Yes, dearest First Lady, isn't it time we
move beyond the slavery of money and begin focusing our precious
energy on building a world of our dreams?  We can find radical
economist who can invent a neu form of currency which guarantees
everyone on the planet a safely net.  We will do this by embracing
the idea of electronic currency and a common wealth accounting
system were all our resources both visible and invisible are put
into an Earth Bank.  This means the end of the PAYtriarchy and the
beginning of a solar energy currency.  

As far as the American way of life, we consume most of the world's
wealth in non-renewable ways. This is a disgrace when most of the
world's population doesn't even have adequate shelter.  What is
needed is not an American way of life to be exported around the
planet, but a way of life which eradicates poverty and all the
social diseases which go along with it. An ecocity design can do this."

Hillary says, "Yes, I am beginning to understand your vision.  But
there is a long road to travel before an arcology is built.  Where
do we start?"

Neutopia answers, "Wow! And idea just popped into my head!  Why not
start a position of architect or architectress laureate?  We could
initiate it this year. We shall award the great architectural 
genius Paolo Soleri the honor. In conjunction, we shall have the
public educational system devise a curriculum around the mission of
building an arcology and the steps that must be taken to create
such a worldview.  We could get the software companies to create
programs in all fields of study which could solve the necessary
problems which might come up as we begin building a network of
arcologies.  All the roads on the information highway shall merge
on the greening of our present cities using the techniques of John
Todd at Ocean Arcs International and the long-term building of
arcology."

"Neutopia," Hillary says, "What you are talking about is a very
political move. I don't think the American people are ready to
adopt such a radical way of looking at the crisis.  They still want
their house with a white picket fence with a two car garage."

Neutopia exclaims, "Hillary, its time that we stop playing
masculine politics! How many women want to come home at night, do
the grocery shopping, do the laundry, fix dinner for the kids,
clean up, and then have to set on the face of the King of the house
or set in front of the TV with him waiting the Monday night
football game? What kind of life is that? Is the middle class
nightmare what true love is all about? If it is, then no wonder
women don't want it anymore and are filing for divorce!

The job of the futurist is to change our dreams so that we can
begin to regain our lives.  Arch means "to rule" and architecture
is absolutely a reflection of the ruling ideology which for 
thousands of years has been anti-woman and anti-community. Do you
want to be dominated by Bill's homeowership plan which is sure to
increase the global environmental holocaust and only puts women in
"their place" back in the kitchen baking cookies?  Or will you
start to rule over the Prez with divine love and work for the
creation of Ecocities?

To conclude, not only should your election campaign be focused
on "The Neu Edifice for Education: the Curriculum for Arcology" but
you and the Prez should run as Co-Presidents. In order to make this
neu world come about, requires that a neu power relationship
between the sexes is manifested.  Running as Co-Presidents 
would give you the power you need to make a neu dream come true. 

Finally, to make your ecocity proposal real to the American people
and the world, you should begin to turn military bases into
emergency shelter for the poor, homeless, and unemployed PhD's,
artists, and teachers. In Gov. Bill Clinton & Sen. Al Gore's book
_Putting People First:  How We Can Change America_ please recall
their words under the heading FIGHT HOMELESSNESS. It reads, "Use
the housing available at closed military bases to house the
homeless."  They continue, "Hold a HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SUMMIT
with urban leaders and mayors to create a new consensus for poverty
programs funding levels, and federal assistance for innovative
housing crisis solutions."  

YES, YES -- but the speakers *must* be the leaders of innovative
housing plans who espouse building megastructural architecture, or
what Soleri calls the miniaturization of the city.  We need to find
the people from around the world who are working on building
ecological cities and the social architecture to support the neu
social structures of world love and peace.  I recommend that you
get a copy of the new video entitled "Ecological Design: Inventing
the Future," a video about "integrating nature, technology, and
humanity." [order it from: The Ecological Design Project\611
Jefferson Street\Cape May, NJ  08204\ phone: 800-698-1992.] I can
also recommend feminist architectural theories--like myself--who
would add the necessary ingredient to the Summit. 

The purpose of the Summit is to analyze the situation of the chaos
of modern cities, deconstruct it, and then rebuild an entirely neu
world based on social justice, love, and beauty.  The Summit should
be broadcast throughout the entire world on every medium available
to us.  This would be the climax of your re-election campaign."

I wake up, go over to my computer and begin typing in the dream
for the entire Internet to read!


Doctress Neutopia


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     * (0) *  poetess, prophetess, philosopheress           <0>            
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        ~     neutopia@external.umass.edu                  * * *





From mtaras@crl.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:40 EDT 1995
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From: mtaras@crl.com (Michael Taraszki)
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I have been wondering if the environmental problems associated with steel 
framed houses (ie, mining materials for moking steel) are less harmful to 
the environment then the deforestation associated with conventional wood 
framed houses.  I am attracted to the idea of steel framed houses because 
the material is supposedly much lighter and can reduce the overall 
costs.  Also, the quality of timber used in many houses today is simply 
very poor compared to the quality of timber years ago (the cost of "super 
growing trees").  Can anybody out there help me out?  Thanks in advance.


-- 
Mike Taraszki                      
mtaras@crl.com


From asmena@emf.net Mon Aug 14 14:00:42 EDT 1995
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On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Mike Williams wrote:

> Please can someone tell me the name of the architect who used actual trees 
> with branches in building design - maybe in Hungary?  Did he write any books?
> 
> Please e-mail me.
> 
> Mike

Hundertwasser, the great graphic artist, has proposed several building 
designs and remodelings which seem to have living trees as tenants. I saw 
an apartment house he remodeled in Vienna where the trees seemed to have 
to live outdoors on balconies.  All in all it could possibly be good idea 
considering the effect of some human tenants who wreck the premises and 
don't pay their rent.
Harry Rand did a monograph on him published by Taschen.

Charles 


From jsr@schatzi.iii.net Mon Aug 14 14:00:44 EDT 1995
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I'm doing research on the influence 
of Ayn Rand's _The Fountainhead_ in 
the architectural field, and I was 
wondering if anyone has any 
opinions on the book, the 
characters, or anything connected 
with it. I have read articles 
saying "Howard Roark is dead," and 
also heard glowing tributes from 
practicing architects. How do *you* 
feel about it? Thanks in advance 
for your comments.

Dr. J. S. Robbins
Fletcher School


From janc53@aol.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:46 EDT 1995
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From: janc53@aol.com (Jan c53)
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But, hmmm, LARVA lamps are, well... Much Cooler!  Ummm, all that squirming
and anxious wiggley fun!  Well I bet someone got a whole lotta lava in the
mail...

 


From ferr8772@uidaho.edu Mon Aug 14 14:00:47 EDT 1995
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From: Joseph Ferry <ferr8772@uidaho.edu>
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BML Architects:

attn: Martin

Martin,
It was great looking through your firm's home page.  It's great to know
that there are architectural firms out there who strive to stay in touch
with the world and with current technologies.

I just graduated from the University of Idaho's Architectural design 
program.  My emphysis/specialty was in architectural visualization 
through electronic modeling and animation.

If you would like to see some images that my professor asked to post on 
the department's home page, the address is:

http://ian.aa.uidaho.edu/cadlab/gallery/gallery.html

In fact, one of the images I created (shown at the above address) was 
>from  a project located in the North Macadam area.

..would love to hear from you,
                                 Joseph Ferry



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Tell me more.
sent via UUCP from: Raven Net, Salt Spring Island, BC, Canada


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In message <40jq7c$su6@crl6.crl.com> - mtaras@crl.com (Michael Taraszki) 
writes:

 > I have been wondering if the environmental problems associated with steel 
 > framed houses (ie, mining materials for moking steel) are less harmful to 
 > the environment then the deforestation associated with conventional wood 
 > framed houses.

Steel products produced by modern "mini-mills" comes almost totally from 
recycled raw materials. Check the source if it worries you.


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From jimbo45@aol.com Mon Aug 14 14:00:52 EDT 1995
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One could write a book about this topic.   I would hope that Howard,
practicing architecture today, would have a different set of priorities
and values.  Architects today are burdened by the public conception that
architects are always seeking a new architectual statement and building
monuments.   Responsible design today has more to do with environment,
social resposibilities, site and cultural context, "green architecture",
energy conservation, adaptive reuse of facilities and materials. When we
were young we all wanted to be like Howard, but he didnt live in the same
world that we do.  And its not getting any easier.


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On 10 Aug 1995, DEBORAH L. BELL wrote:

> BTW, this probably has nothing to do with Italo's original post.
> I recommended he check into photo radar, and consider modifying
> it to his needs, and he is looking into this.
> 
> I think this would work in Denver and other cities too.  When
> a driver is in the bus/carpool lane, the photoradar takes a
> picture, and if he is speeding or doesn't have anyone in the
> car with him (carpool lane violation) he gets a ticket in the
> mail, complete with a copy of his picture.
> 
> Damning evidence and frees up police time for felony busts.
> I like it.

It's my understanding from a German friend of mine that in Germany they 
have installed this type of system at all traffic lights to automatically 
take care of those who cruise through on red.  The ticket is printed up 
by computer and sent in the mail (with the picture, I would 
presume--don't know) and the person puts a check in the mail back to the 
appropriate agency.  Can you imagine how this would de-clutter our local 
courtrooms?


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I am looking for a listing of American Design-Build Frims, or any architecure 
firms people may know about which try to combine the practices of design and 
construction in some way. If anyone knows of a resource for such a listing, or 
even a specific example, please post it, or E-mail me---Thanks!!!



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The idea of an artist having an uncompromising and self-motivated vision is 
extremely important, but it was wrong for Rand to use an architect as the 
example. This theme has nothing to do with what architects do as architects, 
and a hell of a lot to do with the basic misunderstanding that people have of 
the entire profession. Architectural design is, of course, an extremely 
creative and personal act. But its creativity comes from the designers ability 
to utilize (not dismiss as beneath his vision) all the real world factors;  
Including what people (or the Clients) really want.



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In <41h1nd$qdb@news2.iij.ad.jp> Kisho Kurokawa <kisho@po.iijnet.or.jp>
writes: 
>
>From: kisho@po.iijnet.or.jp (Kisho Kurokawa)
>Newsgroups:
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>ca.environment, ba.transportation, misc.transport.urban-transit
>Subject: Environment Friendly Urban Planning for Airport Design in 
>Malaysia, Japanese Architect Kisho Kurokawa
>Date: 24 Aug 1995 
>Organization: Kisho Kurokawa Architect & Associates
>
>How do you think the rapidly industrializing nations in Asia can
develop
>a sufficient information infrastructure while maintaining environment 
>friendly living conditions? What are the western views in harmonizing 
>with nature in the future? Any suggestions or ideas on energy
efficient 
>methods for urban and architectural planning?
>
>My thoughts on urban development in Asia, as I proceed the design for 
>Kuala Lumpur's international airport, city train station, and town 
>planning can be viewed at (ECO-MEDIA CITY PROJECT 2020);
>
>  http://www1.sony.co.jp/KUROKAWA/
>
>Thank you
>
>Kisho Kurokawa
>HON.FAIA, HON.FRIBA
>11F, Aoyama Bldg.
>1-2-3 Kita Aoyama, Minato-ku
>Tokyo, Japan   107
>Tel: +81-3-3404-3481
>Fax:+81-3-3404-6222
>E-mail: kisho@po.iijnet.or.jp
>
>
>
"Asian Rapid Development" = environmental disaster. First, the
government (probably the weak link) should insist that "information
infrastructure" be placed underground, like we do. Second, there needs
to be given sufficient attention to open areas, parklike, to relieve
the general oppression of rapid industrialisation. Naturally, it is
understood that wastewater, trash, air pollution is under control with
workable, ENFORCED, regulations. Beyond that, so-called urban planners
can take over with suffocating minutia.


From gg@well.sf.ca.us Fri Sep  1 01:40:35 EDT 1995
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Following up on Kisho Kurokawa's question about information infrastructure
and living conditions... Horace's response covers most of the bases, but
I'll mention a few things about telecom which are relevant (i.e. you did ask
about information infrastructure after all).

As I understand it, NTT uses a measured-service system where even local
calls are billed in time increments.  This tends to discourage use of
telecom as an alternative to physical commuting.  So the first change is to
provide a means by which a worker can be connected from home to office all
day without incurring time charges.  In the United States, residential
telephone service can be had in most places with unlimited free local calls.
 Another option here is "Centrex" service, where a business' lines from the
telephone exchange have features similar to those of a PBX, including the
ability to transfer calls from one line to another; the relevance being that
a worker at home can have a Centrex line on the same line group as the
company, and dial into the company's office at no charge (i.e. it's
considered an "intercom" call).

The next step is to upgrade the cable facilities in residential
construction, to more closely resemble those at commercial buildings.
Apartments in particular are notorious for inadequate telecom facilities.
What is needed, at absolute minimum, is the ability to get *three* analog
lines into a residence at the same time, and have them terminated on jacks
in a "home office" area.  The next level up is to have all rooms in a home
or apartment provided with 4-pair category 3 wiring, which is home-runned
back to a central connecting facility, i.e. not looped through a series of
jacks as has been the practice in the past.  This will allow the use of
multiple lines, key systems or small hybrid PBXs, and LANs in the home,
which facilitate home office work.  (BTW my firm provides design, consulting
and implementation in all of these areas; email service@dialtone.com or
phone us, IS&N Inc., at 510-644-8085)

The next step from there is ISDN or some other form of digital telephony
which will support higher data transmission speeds.  Now frankly I find all
this video-telephony and high-bandwidth stuff a bit over-hyped; there is no
need to see your coworker on the screen as you're word-processing a memo.
So the more high-tech implementations involving hybrid networks based in
part on coaxial cable distribution, are over-expensive overkill.  For
business applications, straight ISDN is quite adequate unless you're doing
something specialised like graphics production or updating massive
databases.

Finally, from the technical to the social, work rules must be rewritten to
emphasise goals rather than process, i.e. allow workers a greater amount of
flexibility in their work habits.  One of the major benefits of tele-work
>from  home, is the ability of parents to spend time with their children and
to be more present in their neighborhoods.  In the United States these
concerns are matters of life and death in areas of our cities where violence
and the destruction of family life by economic circumstances have become
endemic.  So, for example, parents who tele-work can keep an eye on their
kids during the day.  But if their company is still using the old micro-
management model, the parents are scarcely free to say Hi to their kids when
they get home from school, so we're back to where we started from, or a bit
worse since the kids come home & see that Mom & Dad are sitting in front of
their computers & ignoring them (the kids).  In a more goal-oriented
environment, the parents could take a break from their work to spend a bit
of time with the kids when they get home from school each day, and then make
up the time once the kids are outside playing.  The point is, as long as the
job gets done on time, it doesn't hurt to give people a chance to have a
more humane existence.  Now the problem here is there is an entire layer of
management which is in essence parasitic since it justifies its existence by
its ability to micro-manage the workers below it in the orgnisational chart;
and this layer of management will find its existence threatened under a
tele-work system where it can't observe every moment of the other workers'
daily existences.  This layer of management will be rendered superfluous,
and will kick & scream at any attempts to introduce tele-work.  What is
clearly needed here is a program of re-training to assure these people that
they will still have jobs, doing something else i.e. more productive than
simply micro-managing others.  Once they feel secure, they will probably see
the advantages.

There is one possible downside to tele-work and that is the diminution of
the sense of community in the physical and interpersonal sense which occurs
at a physical workplace.  We've only begun to realise that workplaces are
social ecosystems, with all that implies.  However, there is also the
potential that tele-work will mean that people can spend more time in their
neighborhoods, and this may lead to a resurgence of the sense of community
in the place where one lives.  This could be particularly valuable at the
lowest end of the socioeconomic ladder, where anything that builds a sense
of community will also reduce crime & other social problems... though it may
also have beneficial effects in upper-middle-class areas which have been
characterised by high turnover due to families moving when their jobs are
relocated.  By "relocating" via modem, the families can stay put, their kids
can build stable friendships, and they can all have a deeper sense of roots
in their neighborhoods.



From aa205@torfree.net Fri Sep  1 01:40:36 EDT 1995
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try this
go to
http://www.io.org/~conston
click on
'Other Construction Related Web Sites'
and
'View Self-Added URLs'

I know there's links to resources with that information there.
sh

Colin R. Leech (ag414@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
: In a previous message, Kisho Kurokawa <kisho@po.iijnet.or.jp> wrote:
: >Any suggestions or ideas on energy efficient
: >methods for urban and architectural planning?
: >
: >My thoughts on urban development in Asia, as I proceed the design for
: >Kuala Lumpur's international airport, city train station, and town
: >planning can be viewed at (ECO-MEDIA CITY PROJECT 2020);
: >  http://www1.sony.co.jp/KUROKAWA/
:  
: Make sure that you have good passenger connections between different modes.
: Examples:
:  
:     - Rapid rail directly to the airport
:     - Short and easy pedestrian movements between different trains
:       and between trains and subways/LRT/buses in terminals inside the
:       city
:  
: For town planning, design your neighbourhoods first so that buses can travel
: efficiently (fast, direct) and effectively (people within walking distance
: of a bus route). Then add any missing links needed for cars afterwards.
: Obtain copies of manuals that various cities have written on transit-friendly
: land use patterns.
:  
: --
:  Colin R. Leech             |->  Civil engineer by training, transportation
:  ag414@freenet.carleton.ca  |->  planner by choice, trombonist by hobby.
:  Nepean, Ontario, Canada    |->  "I'd like a penny." - Tom Downs, Amtrak.
:  My opinions are my own, not my employer's. You may consider them shareware.
-- 
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Toronto Freenet Information Resources Committee Volunteer - and:
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In article <41p5pm$bmi@nkosi.well.com>, gg@well.sf.ca.us (George A. Gleason) says:

>As I understand it, NTT uses a measured-service system where even local
>calls are billed in time increments.  This tends to discourage use of
>telecom......

Well, I hadn't noticed.  It does offer the possibility of ending the 
subsidization of local calls by long-distance users.  Perhaps offering
productive business low cost communications throughout Malaysia (and
beyond) is more important than free chats with the neighbours about the
weather.....


>What is needed, at absolute minimum, is the ability to get *three* analog
>lines into a residence at the same time,

When starting from zero, why bother with analog at all.  There is no need
to recapitulate the development of telephony....

>The next step from there is ISDN or some other form of digital telephony
>which will support higher data transmission speeds.  Now frankly I find all
>this video-telephony and high-bandwidth stuff a bit over-hyped; there is no
>need to see your coworker on the screen as you're word-processing a memo.
>So the more high-tech implementations involving hybrid networks based in
>part on coaxial cable distribution, are over-expensive overkill.

Hmmm... I wonder..  Is not much of the high cost the creation from scratch of
an entirely new network in addition to the existing one, the actual physical
laying of cables, acquiring rights of way in existing urban situations, &c.?
Once again, when starting from zero, would not the marginal cost of such a
network be, well, marginal?

To back up a bit, when you write "there is no need to see your coworker on
the screen as you're word-processing a memo" I suspect you are dead wrong. 
As someone who actually sits in the rain forest working with colleagues
far removed I can assure you that the only problem I encounter in this type
of work is the lack of close, and often informal, contact with coworkers.
Try it for any length of time and you will see what I mean...  In order for
tele-work to advance beyond merely "possible" to "desirable and enriching"
for the generality of participants I would suspect that it is, in fact,
quite necessary, from time to time, to see, and hear, your colleagues on 
the screen.  Better to plan for it now.... 

Cheers,
dba



From dwhite@arch.su.edu.au Fri Sep  1 01:40:38 EDT 1995
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From: Deborah White <dwhite@arch.su.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: Sustainable Urban Landcapes Design Charrette
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I am an architect, and teach in a wide spread of related subjects in 
Architecture Departments at Sydney and Adelaide Universities. In 
Adelaide, my permanent residence in Australia, I live in a solar house 
in a permaculture garden, and I am a resident activist; we are currently 
assisting the local Council to revise its policies, practice and 
development plans to take account of ESD (environmentally sustainable 
development). 

I also live and work in Italy (on a farm in Tuscany which uses 
pre-industrial practices and uses no pesticides to produce oil, wine and 
other produce, while retaining the cultural and historical values of the 
landscape) and in Nepal. In Nepal I work with a non-Government 
Organisation in permaculture (permanently sustainable agriculture), with 
both peasant farmers (an annual income average of $100US) and government 
agricultural advisers, to attempt to ward off the eminent ecological 
collapse of the country under the combined pressure of unwise forestry 
and chemical use, poverty, inequalities and population growth.  

I am interested in your proposed competition. Will it include
a) work outside USA
b) work with landscapes providing subsistence and cultural meaning 
together (eg Third World)
c) work by non Americans?

What form will teh exhibits take?

Cheers
Deborah White




From bhadva@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:40:39 EDT 1995
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hi!
i was hoping that some of you would be able to help me decide upon and
locate some films to help on project i am working on.

the scoop:
i am working on a Task Force that intends to develop a housing agenda for
an economically underdeveloped (mild understatement) neighborhood. This is
a part of a Neighborhood Revitalization Program in Minnesota. It turns out
(no prizes for guessing why) that the task force and all other
neighborhood action groups are significantly lacking in representation of
those groups that are predominant in the neighborhood. Vis-a-vis the
housing situation, this group would be renters and persons with a lower
than average (for the neighborhood) income.
Thus the vision statements and the outlined goals of the Task Force keep
moving towards physical goals that by their nature seek to exclude rental
housing/ low-income folks etc.
In speaking to folks on this Task Force it has become clear to me that the
"vision" (among other things) is one of REDUCED density with no
neighborhood economy...these folks would like to have only home owners who
have steady jobs elsewhere.
##4%265^%$#1&
Having said that (!) may I request you folks out there to send me
suggestions, names of films (especially on gentrification and Neighborhood
Re-vitalization) that I could then somehow locate and present to these
people who are about to embark on a course of action that benefits a few
at the expense of many. I believe that if they see such documentaries and
footage of residents who have undergone such traumatic changes they may be
able to understand the broader social ramifications of their "vision". 
I could write more but for now I need hard information on such films and
other methods to make
people "see" what their vision entails.

thanks in anticipation,
aslam mukhtiar


From onchiota@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:40:40 EDT 1995
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hi, I'm interested in building a pier/peninsula into the ocean, and would
like info on how to do it...I've seen concrete items shaped like
childrens' jack nested that supposedly resist tidal and storm destruction,
but don't know anytrhing about these or other technologies, ideas?


From katzkatz@netvision.net.il Fri Sep  1 01:40:41 EDT 1995
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Please recommend best books on designing and engineering building with 
clay. In English or German. Thanks in advance




From gerth@PrakInf.TU-Ilmenau.DE Fri Sep  1 01:40:42 EDT 1995
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From: gerth@PrakInf.TU-Ilmenau.DE (Thomas Gerth)
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Hallo architects,

I am a software engeneer, but besides this I'm interested in art and
architecture too.
For a few years, in software technology, in particular the object-oriented
one, evolves a new research topic regarding "patterns" in software.
And it occured, that the architect Christopher Alexander, who published
a couple of books on patterns in city planning and architecture in the
late 70ies, had a great influence on the discussion among the software 
engeneers concerned with pattern research. Today, most researchers have
agreed on a notion of what a pattern is and a form of describing a pattern, 
both of which have their roots in the work of Alexander. 
I own one of his books of that time:
	Chr.Alexander: A Pattern Language. 
		       Oxford Universty Press, New York, 1977
Besides the pure interest in how he defines and describes a pattern I 
found it also very interesting to read his ideas about city planning and 
architecture. I like many of his ideas captured in a structured collection
of patterns called (by him) a Pattern Language.

Now I would like to know, which role (if any) does Alexander's work play 
among you architects? Has it any importance to you? If yes, how do you
employ his ideas? Is there currently a discussion about patterns in
city planning and architecture?

Very curious,
Thomas



From heislord@southwind.net Fri Sep  1 01:40:43 EDT 1995
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     A friend of mine asked me to post a query about alternative energy 
systems that would be low in cost to install or operate in a tropical 
village.  The village is in an active geothermal area near Mt. Pinatubo 
in the Phillapines and has a sluggish river running through it.  If 
anyone has low cost plans for or information about such systems, I would 
greatly appreciate it if you could email me the information to pass on to 
my friend.  He wants to provide the village a low or no cost electrical 
source (his wife's relatives live there).  Email to heislord@southwind.net






From http://www.constr.com Fri Sep  1 01:40:44 EDT 1995
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From: The Construction Site <http://www.constr.com
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>   onchiota@aol.com (Onchiota) writes:
>  hi, I'm interested in building a pier/peninsula into the ocean, and would
>  like info on how to do it...I've seen concrete items shaped like
>  childrens' jack nested that supposedly resist tidal and storm 
destruction,
>  but don't know anytrhing about these or other technologies, ideas?
>  
>>>>
I am in the process of writing articles with photo examples on The 
Construction Site. Go to http://www.constr.com. From the Category 
Selection Index select Contractors. Scroll down to Bulkheads and select 
Various Systems.... (educational). I have much more data and photos to 
add. If you don't find what you want already up, let me know and I will try 
to get it up for you. I am a specialist in your area of interest.

While you are at the site, click on See Treasure #1, (from the Home 
Page).

Doyle Peeks 

The Construction Site
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From http://www.constr.com Fri Sep  1 01:40:45 EDT 1995
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From: The Construction Site <http://www.constr.com
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>   onchiota@aol.com (Onchiota) writes:
>  hi, I'm interested in building a pier/peninsula into the ocean, and would
>  like info on how to do it...I've seen concrete items shaped like
>  childrens' jack nested that supposedly resist tidal and storm 
destruction,
>  but don't know anytrhing about these or other technologies, ideas?
>  
>>>>
I forgot to mention in my previous msg. The system you referred to is 
called, Kellner Jacks, named after the man that invented them. I do have 
some information on them. I don't have it online yet, but will see what I 
can do about it. I will let you know when it is up.

Doyle
The Construction Site
http://www.constr.com/
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From http://www.constr.com Fri Sep  1 01:40:46 EDT 1995
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From: The Construction Site <http://www.constr.com
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>   onchiota@aol.com (Onchiota) writes:
>  hi, I'm interested in building a pier/peninsula into the ocean, and would
>  like info on how to do it...I've seen concrete items shaped like
>  childrens' jack nested that supposedly resist tidal and storm 
destruction,
>  but don't know anytrhing about these or other technologies, ideas?
>  
>>>>
I goofed. The units are called "Tetrapods" I have an article with one 
photo that will be up sometime today, (8-31-95) I hope.  

Sorry about that. I wasn't awake good when I posted the messg.

Doyle

The Construction Site
http://www.constr.com/
cybermaster@neosoft.com
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From Darrel@title24.com Fri Sep  1 01:40:47 EDT 1995
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I am seeking a used Ink Jet Plotter for C, D or E size plots.
Please e-mail me directly at:

	Plotter@title24.com

Thanks,

Darrel



From whearch@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:40:48 EDT 1995
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OK, So it's really in Virginia.

Need Help!  Anyone with access, or knows how to get access to dimensioned
plans (floor plans & elevations), please let me know how to do it.  It's
for a school project at Wash. U in St. Lou.  Thanks!
WHE ARCH@aol.com

Who is John Galt?


From crossbow@moontower Mon Oct  9 23:35:13 EDT 1995
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  What's for lunch, Ma?  NOT SPAM AGAIN1  You too can be a Pharoah!  
Build your own pyramid!




From software@infobahnos.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:15 EDT 1995
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A


From ams@iglou.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:17 EDT 1995
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From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Mon Oct  9 23:35:19 EDT 1995
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-- Does anyone have a spare copy of Repertorio 1950-1980 by 
Guiliana Gramigna, Milan, 1985 which they wish to sell?, new or 
second-hand. Any offers, or information on where I might find 
one to graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Thanks, Graham Mancha---------
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Mancha    EMail graham@mancha.demon.co.ukTel: +44 (0) 1296 615121       
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From bbooks@primenet.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:20 EDT 1995
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I have a list of books by and about Frank Lloyd Wright that are for sale.  If 
you would like a copy of the list.   Please e-mail bbooks@primenet.com and 
put FLW in the subject line.

Thanks!  


From rrbryce@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:22 EDT 1995
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http://www.hdo.com

Once upon a time, not so very long ago, the social/learning/service
center of Small-town, USA was the area surrounding the
   potbellied stove of the local hardware store. Seats made from stacks
of 100 pound bags of seed held an eclectic group of
                    homeowners, tradespeople, and shopkeepers, drinking
coffee and swapping tales.

  The hardware store was where you found everything you needed, no
matter how oddball or common. Along with the item,
    you'd receive the "how to" of installing or assembling it. If a
verbal explanation didn't do it, the shopkeeper or one of the
 congregating tradespeople left the store with you. Together, with a
hands-on approach, you'd figure it out and get the job done.

 The  Hardwares of the world are fading from the scene, and that
special kind of service could become just a memory,
                                            then folklore, then legend.

 Home & Design Online (TM) continues the tradition. You'll find the
products, the information, and the experts hanging around
    to tell a great story, lend some advice, share their knowledge, and
maybe pick up a job or two. You might even find that
                                      oddball item you've been
searching for.

   Re-live the way it used to be....or experience it for the first
time...through Home & Design Online (TM) in the 21st century
                                         mode: via computer and modem.

Home & Design Online (TM) is the Online service dealing with
residential products, services and ideas. If you're shopping for a
 home or property, building a new house, planning a renovation, or need
help finding something special for the home, you should
 stop by. The information highway leads directly to our front door from
the Internet, from the other major Online services, and
                                  from The Home & Design Online (TM)
Network.



From lees@scs.unr.edu Mon Oct  9 23:35:23 EDT 1995
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Can anyone 'out there' tell me where I might find information on 
CORBOND?  I believe it is an insulating material blown in.

--

       lees@nsn.scs.unr.edu


From hunt_scott_f@lanl.gov Mon Oct  9 23:35:26 EDT 1995
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In article <complxm.24.04E9BAB7@primenet.com> complxm@primenet.com (Michael T .Bishop) writes:
>From: complxm@primenet.com (Michael T .Bishop)
>Subject: Graywater Systems
>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:48:02 MST

>Hello,

>I am trying to find information about graywater systems and I have only come 
>across a few bits of info.  What can anyone out there provide me with?  I 
>would appreciate anything that you can send me.

Michael,

Art Ludwig has two publications out - Create an Oasis with Greywater and the 
Builders Supplement to the above.

The first one has some good info and I have the second on order.

They cost $7 and $13, respectively.  My local bookstore ordered them for me.  
You can also get them from Real Goods and Jade Mountain.

Hope this helps,

Scott


_________________________________________________

Scott Hunt
In the Atomic City of Los Alamos, New Mexico
_________________________________________________


From casadata@iag.net Mon Oct  9 23:35:29 EDT 1995
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Does anyone know where to find information on this technique? I believe
Dennis Weaver (the TV star) has a home built of old tires.


From sjoland@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:31 EDT 1995
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Look at the Indian vilage on the road to Eastport Maine.

pete


In <951004221228.DA5310@news.nbnet.nb.ca> tsimms@nbnet.nb.ca (Thomas M.
Simms) writes: 
>
>On 1 Oct 1995 15:13:37 GMT,  sjoland@ix.netcom.com writes:
>
>
>
>>
>>This pattern is done in red brick 10 feet tall on the east outside
wall
>>of the indian school one mile south of the 45 degree point on the
east
>>coast.
>
>Where is this building on Route 1 between Robbinston and Whiting on
route 1 on
>the coast of maine, and in brick?
>
>No other place meets your description but I know of no such building.
>
>Tom Simms
>>
>>@=\=/=|=\=/=@
>>...X..|..X...+
>>@=/=\=|=/=\=@
>>
>>The "@" stands for the four tribes of the dawn people.
>>
>>The center post looks like a Viking ship mast.
>>
>>The two large Xs look like Viking sails.
>>
>>The "+" is the Viking symbol for the half way point between the pole
>>and the equator also found on the Kensington rune stone.
>>
>>The "."s just mark position on the computer they were not there.
>>
>>
>>Peter Sjolander
>>



From fhueston@aol.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:33 EDT 1995
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From: fhueston@aol.com (FHueston)
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New web page for those interested in marble and tile

check it out:

http://users.aimnet.com:8000/~tcolson/pages/tiletran/ntcsmt.htm



From Human AI Mon Oct  9 23:35:34 EDT 1995
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Sorry ! ! Testin Testing



From postmaster@karkki.pp.fi Mon Oct  9 23:35:35 EDT 1995
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From barbabeau@aol.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:39 EDT 1995
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Subject: Neil Denari
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Searching for both Mr. Denari's 
current e-mail address and 
his long-awaited book... 

Kate Hanna
Barbabeau@aol.com


From afund@aol.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:41 EDT 1995
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Best new building disaster resisttance technology we believe comes from
International Hi-Tech Industries--earthquake resistance, virtually
fireproof, hurricane and flood proof etc.
For technical info call the company 1-800-838-8090.  
FYI I  DO have a financial stake in the company i.e. own shares and
believe it will revolutionize the construction industry as Microsoft did
the computer industry.
Cheers.  There are plenty of disasters to look out for.
Henry Weingarten ASTROLOGERS FUND  "Always a Stellar Performance"
Email: AFund@aol.com   212/949-7275  Fax: 212/949-7274
350 Lexington Ave #402 NY NY 10016-0909
http://www.ids.net/starbridge/afund


From cf059@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct  9 23:35:43 EDT 1995
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Subject: An Architectural Metaphor
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            BINARY AND TERNARY: AN ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR         
                                                                  
     Unless  one  is  a  thoroughgoing  mystic  (e.g. Plotinus), a
     thoroughgoing  romantic  (e.g Nietzsche)  or  a thoroughgoing
     nihilist (e.g Ben Bradlee), the  parameters  of  what we like
     to  call reality are binary: true & false, benign & malignant,
     zero & one, etc.  But  the parameters of what we in fact  ex-
     perience  as  reality  are  ternary: length, width &  breadth,
     solid, liquid and gaseous, past, present & future, etc.       
                                                                  
     For an insight into a novel way of thinking about this matter,
     not necessarily in conflict with the way you think now, check
     out http://www.lm.com/~rmhelick/arch/arka1.html.             
                                                                  
     While there, feel  free to  browse  the  other  segments.  No
     guarantees, of  course, but you just might find something you
     will remember for the rest of your life. The web is 100% text,
     literate, easy to navigate and fast.                         
                                                                  
     Martin Helick
--





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Why can't you submit any documentation on your claims? 


From weintrme@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Mon Oct  9 23:35:46 EDT 1995
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From: weintrme@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Maurice Weintraub)
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Re: Wanted January 1957 Progressive Architecture

Looking to obtain Volume 38, the January 1957 Issue of Progressive
Architecture Magazine entitled - 4th Annual Design Awards Program.

please e-mail any responses to:

	weintrme@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu

thank you

Maurice Weintraub, AIA



From ggourlay@tribeca.ios.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:48 EDT 1995
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I'm looking to buy a used AutoCad r12win and am wondering if there are 
any legal issues regarding transfere of license or such.  Please reply by 
email if you have a legal version available for sale to 
<ggourlay@tribeca.ios.com> or if you know what the legal implications of 
transfering a licensed serial number.  Any replies would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks in advance


From busgirl@netcom.com Mon Oct  9 23:35:50 EDT 1995
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I have a book from Real Goods (store) called The Independent Home,
by Potts, which lists a tire-built home in it.  It may even be
Weavers.  If not, it does definitely list something about
Weaver's endeavors in the book.  Good luck.




From hbanks@usa1.com Sat Nov  4 20:51:55 EST 1995
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From: hbanks@usa1.com (Hannah Banks)
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Subject: Equestrian Architecture
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Hello,

My name is Hannah Banks. I am the principal of Harrison-Banks, an
architectural firm specializing in work for the horse industry. We do work
all over the country. Please get in touch if you have any questions about
buildings for horses.

Hannah Banks
Harrison-Banks
hbanks@usa1.com


From jny@little.pch.se Sat Nov  4 20:51:56 EST 1995
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From: jny@little.pch.se (Johan Nyberg)
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I am interested in building homes with bales of straw, anyone with
iideas, experience and/or knowledge of the matter is very welcome to
contact me.
I would like views on:
Roofing
Coating of outer walls
Sealing
Mould/ rot/ rats
etc.

 Johan Nyberg 

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From jgamel@slonet.org Sat Nov  4 20:51:58 EST 1995
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From: jgamel@slonet.org (Jon Gamel)
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Subject: Metal Frame Construction in Resedential Developements
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I am a student doing research on new construction techniques.  In this
case it is Metal frame construction as a substitution for wood frame
construction in residential developements.  If any one has any
infornmation regarding this topic, please email me.  Any responses would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks 

Jon

-- 
Life is like the ocean, vast and unexplored......


From sherlen@pl.jaring.my Sat Nov  4 20:51:59 EST 1995
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From sherlen@pl.jaring.my Sat Nov  4 20:51:59 EST 1995
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From racepoint@delphi.com Sat Nov  4 20:52:00 EST 1995
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From: MM <racepoint@delphi.com>
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As a former Chicago Tower dweller, I think it is safe to say that their appeal
to city workers will remain intact for the foreseeable future (20 yrs +).
Generally, the newer buildings, from say 1980 exception being the Hancock 1969
Marina Towers 1960-67 and some others, offer amenities like indoor pool, health
club, parking, restaurants, and other things not found anywhere else. These
amenities are vry useful to working professionals, in fact almost essential.
However, they may fall prey to poor management, which could very quickly lead
to the demise of a building, or even a community. I think the management of
the building must either have a vested interest, partial ownership or at least
long term residency, or be a professional management firm that takes on a
professional, and hence impersonal interest in the building. Some  management
is kind of "half-baked" in that an hourly assistant manager is offered some
compensation by being allowed to live in the biulding at a reduced rate, or
something like that. Unfortunately, the hourly assistant is sometimes harboring
envy about the wealthy/privledged tenants, and it just doesn't work out.


From sherlen@pl.jaring.my Sat Nov  4 20:52:02 EST 1995
Article: 5158 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: sherlen@pl.jaring.my
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From jmccaig@worldweb.net Sat Nov  4 20:52:03 EST 1995
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Your writer seeks information about dome construction that could support 
an earth roof of approximately 3 feet in depth.  We are studying five 
domes, one central of approximately 50' in diameter and 4, 40 foot domes 
connected by greenhouse "spokes to the central structure.

-- 


Maharaj James McCaig                  |  Sufi Center of Washington
Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative |  Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore
United States                         |  http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi

                              jmccaig@worldweb.net





From ntnccl01.cidoc.iuav.unive.it Sat Nov  4 20:52:04 EST 1995
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From: ntnccl01.cidoc.iuav.unive.it (Alessandro Antonuccio)
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Un gruppo di studenti dell'Istituto Universitario di Architettura di Venezia 
sta lavorando in un
forum per un progetto innovativo nell'ottica di una nuova prospettiva ed 
organizzazione di
Venezia.
I temi dei nostri progetti sono:
        - La connessione della citta' con le reti mondiali
        - La riorganizzazione del sistema museale
        - Il destino delle aree industriali dismesse

Probabilmente apriremo una homepage sul server della nostra universita':

 http://cidoc.iuav.unive.it

Apprezzeremo ogni genere di apporto e di commento sul nostro lavoro.
Ci piacerebbe lavorare insieme a voi.

Enjoy Giuseppe "The Teacher" Longhi
Grazie.
Jacopo Ognibene <gnbnjc01@cidoc.iuav.unive.it>
Alessandro Antonuccio <ntnccl01@cidoc.iuav.unive.it>


From london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu Sat Nov  4 20:52:05 EST 1995
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 03 Nov 95 10:33:04 EST
From: Kirby Fry <72530.1353@compuserve.com>
Subject: Straw Bale House Workshop II

Dear Friends,

The Cross Timbers Permaculture Institute in north Central Texas Texas is
offering its second workshop in a series on STRAW BALE HOUSE construction.
The institute is building a 750 square foot Nebraska style/load bearing
residence for its staff and interns.  We are aiming to keep the costs down
to below $8 per square foot.

During this workshop our one day of class room will cover the basics of
straw bale construction and then go into detail on EARTHEN TECHNOLOGIES
used for stuccoing the walls and pouring the floor of a straw bale house.
The remaining two day practicum will involve learning how to stucco a
house, pour a floor, and "dry in" the house.

The course tuition is $150 per person, $225 per couple (any two folks who
register together) and $180 if you would like to bring a non-participating
friend or partner.  Meals are included.  Cabins ($15/night), and camping
($5/night) with access to clean bathrooms and hot showers are available
upon request.

Please contact Kirby Fry or Inger Myhre at 817-897-9402 for more details
and to make reservations.  Our e-mail address is,
72530.1353@compuserve.com.

	KIRBY [@ Cross Timbers Permaculture Institute 817-897-9402]





From ntnccl01.cidoc.iuav.unive.it Sat Nov  4 20:52:06 EST 1995
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From: ntnccl01.cidoc.iuav.unive.it (Alessandro Antonuccio)
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Some students from the University of Architecture in Venice are working in a
forum about an innovative project for a new vision and organisation of Venice.
The themes of our projects are:
        - The connection of the city with the world nets
        - The reorganisation of the museums system
        - The destiny of the old industrial areas

Probably we'll open a HomePage on the server of our university:
 http://cidoc.iuav.unive.it

We'll appreciate any kind of idea about our work.
We'd like to work together with you.

Enjoy  Giuseppe "the teacher" Longhi
Thank you.
Jacopo Ognibene <gnbnjc01@cidoc.iuav.unive.it>
Alessandro Antonuccio <ntnccl01@cidoc.iuav.unive.it>


From bairda@eburg.com Sat Nov  4 20:52:08 EST 1995
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From: bairda@eburg.com (Alex D. Baird)
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cjackranch@usa.pipeline.com(CogswellAlexander) wrote:

>I have a  12' x 14' shed that I use as a design studio next to our home at
>7000' in the mountains above Boulder, CO.   
> 
>I need to insulate it to be able to work in it through the  winter.   
> 
>Little cash, don't want to pay huge electric bill to heat it. 
> 
>We use pellet stove in our home.  
> 
>My husband suggested lining the shed with plastic to create an airspace.   
> 
>Any suggestions?

YES!

You are on the right track with the plastic (called a vapor barrier)
but fiberglass insulation is not that expensive.  Your description
tells me that you have about 52 lineal feet of wall space and I'll
assume that the walls are 8 feet tall.  This gives 416 square feet
that you need to insulate.  Here in the cold side of Washington, I can
get insulation for about $.08/square foot.  That totals to under $50
if you do it your self, you should be able to do this too.

Success.

Alex




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From: dba@haven.uniserve.com (Brian Allardice)
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In article <471gmi$sle@larry.rice.edu>, gomer@owlnet.rice.edu (Christopher Nichols) says:

>I think that, like most architects that would rather live in a world of 
>controle, most of the questions discussed by Mr. Samsudeen are based on a 
>paranoid and naive attitude towards the internet.

I wouldn't have thought so...  Tiresome academic research, perhaps.

Nonetheless, the Legal Issues raised

>How are paper works replaced?
>Liabilities of different parties concerned.
>Is there an alternative way of attesting documents other than by signatures?
>Other legal issues

are far from trivial.

1) Under the Architects Act of Quebec, for instance,
a colleague was done for "derogatory acts" for using some drawings
prepared by a chap down the street, albeit under his supervision,
as they were not made "IN HIS OFFICE" (Modification au reglement
concernant le code de deontologie: Actes Derogatoires 4.02.01a)  This
little bit of legislation, and others of it's type, certainly inhibit
the adoption of the flexible working practices and (forget state of
the art, let us now say "humdrum and ordinary") technology that
architecture needs to remain a going concern.  Any impact this regulation
has on the use of IT is probably accidental, as the old boys who write
this stuff haven't a clue, but once they wake up to the fact that you can
have much of your drawing work done in e.g. Bangalore by highly skilled
professionals for a fraction of the cost of semi-nummerate students here,
expect efforts not to facilitate but to specifically prevent such
practices.

2) As in any profession, the authenticity of documents is a major issue.
This question is nowhere near a solution as it relates to IT, unless
one ultimately junks the disks, treating them like sketches, and archives
sealed hard copies.  Really, would you bet your life on the viability
of a disk stored for the period of your liability? Let alone authenticity,
could anyone read it 10, 15, 20 years hence?

&c &c.

Cheers,
dba


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From: pookie@vnet.ibm.com
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In <DGxo30.KMx@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman) writes:
>I am looking for information on "alternative" architecture
>processes such as polyurethane construction and/or sprayed
>concrete.  Could somebody point me in the right direction
>for recent work in this area for small scale building?

John,

Get the Portland Cement Association Guide to Concrete Building Systems.  Very
comprehensive study of various foam and concrete building systems.  The one
I really like is extruded polystyrene panels which are assembled then shotcrete
in place.  Call 3D Insteel in Brunswick (or New Brunswick), Georgia to see if
there is a distributor near you, and you can get tons of very specific info from
them, e.g., engineering drawings, specs, nearby buildings and homes, etc.

Eric



From msaquel@hal9000.tmm.cl Sat Nov  4 20:52:10 EST 1995
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From: msaquel@hal9000.tmm.cl (Mario Saquel)
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http://dialup11.tmm.cl FREE GOPHER



From spirex@iconz.co.nz Sat Nov  4 20:52:11 EST 1995
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From: spirex@iconz.co.nz (Phil Carden)
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In article <4783b2$9q6@reznor.larc.nasa.gov>, edruf@hyp06.larc.nasa.gov 
says...
>
>In article <47833r$9ni@reznor.larc.nasa.gov> edruf@hyp06.larc.nasa.gov 
(Ed Ruf) writes:
>>In article <477u4r$6em@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu 
(Nick Pine) writes:
>>>Does anyone use a woodstove or fireplace chimney as an air-air heat 
exchanger?
>>>
>>>Seems like this might work with a bare fluepipe running up through a 
masonry
>>>chimney, or a triple wall air-cooled "all-fuel" fluepipe with cold 
outside
>>>air coming down the from the outside, to a point lower than the air 
intake 
>>>for the fireplace, to supply combustion/ventilation air which is 
heated as
>>>it travels down the outside of the fluepipe. 
>>>snip

Consider using a short section (say 4 ft) of corrugated flue liner to 
increase exit gas turbulence and improve heat transfer between hot and 
cold streams. An increase of up to 250% may be possible given ideal 
flue gas and inlet air flow regimes. 

I have a recent research paper that suggests maximum heat transfer would 
be achieved in the transition between laminar and turbulent flow. The 
conditions sound right in this case given the gas velocities quoted. Heat 
transfer would be maximised with a corrugation depth of 1/4" in say a 6" 
flue. (e/D = 0.04)

An Excel spread sheet for predicting heat transfer and pressure drop in 
single corrugated tube-in-tube counterflow heat exchangers from 1/2" ID 
up to 6" ID is available. (Suitable for this application,SI units only). 
Email me if interested. 

Phil Carden   Spirex@iconz.co.nz

 




From c.walker@auckland.ac.nz Sat Nov  4 20:52:13 EST 1995
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Does anyone know anything about the use of recycled paper as a 
construction material? I am aware that some small experimental buildings 
designed by architect Shigeru Ban have been built in Japan. Anyone  know 
any more?




From horvatha@aol.com Sat Nov  4 20:52:15 EST 1995
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From: horvatha@aol.com (Horvatha)
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I'm trying to connect with other architecture or engineering students in
the area.  Reply to this newsgroup or contact me directly at
horvatha@aol.com

I am an architectural engineering student at Milwaukee School of
Engineering.  I have worked in the mechanical design field as well as in
the construction industry for ten years, and am currently heading a
student competition design group.

Contact me or keep this column open by responding!

Andor


From elvin@byre.demon.co.uk Sat Nov  4 20:52:16 EST 1995
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From: elvin@byre.demon.co.uk (elvin ibbotson)
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...instant data... is a new online building product information
service on the world wide web.

specifiers: use it to find suppliers and products using alphabetical
and CI/SfB indexes.

suppliers: get your name, telephone number and products in front of
specifiers

point your browser at http://www.demon.co.uk/instant/
--
elvin ibbotson at id ................. id@byre.demon.co.uk



From tmoog@MCS.COM Sat Nov  4 20:52:17 EST 1995
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From: tmoog@MCS.COM (Thomas H. Moog)
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A few months ago there was a posting about an insulation that could
be applied like paint.  I thought I'd saved a copy of the article
but can't find it.   Can someone help me by sending me a product
name/company name/telephone number.  

Tom Moog


From shcheah@pc.jaring.my Sat Nov  4 20:52:18 EST 1995
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From: shcheah@pc.jaring.my (Yan Lee)
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I am looking for the contact number for the supplier of the above
tiles for import to malaysia

Please email or fax me at 604 2628957


Regards



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I am looking for the contact number for the supplier of the above
tiles for import to malaysia

The company is in USA

Please email or fax me at 604 2628957


Regards



From hbanks@usa1.com Sat Nov  4 20:52:19 EST 1995
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In article <47cgbh$j0b@jaring.my>, shcheah@pc.jaring.my (Yan Lee) wrote:

> I am looking for the contact number for the supplier of the above
> tiles for import to malaysia

American Olean: 1000 Cannon Avenue
                           P. O. Box 271
                           Lansdale, PA 19446-0271
                           (215) 855-1111
                           Fax (215) 393-2784

Good luck

Hannah Banks
hbanks@usa1.com


From Dana.meyer@leverkusen.netsurf.de Sat Nov  4 20:52:20 EST 1995
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Date:2. nov. 1995
From: dana.meyer@leverkusen.netsurf.de

I am a praticing architect in Germany and we are currently in the 
planning process for an apartment building with a central hv system.  
This system will flow over a heat exchanger and is coupled with a 
Stirling motor for heating when it is required.

Problem:
In Germany heating/ventlation systems are not usually used for apartment 
buildings, so experience is lacking in the professional realm.  Our 
problem is that we need to measure the air quanity which goes into each 
apartment for separate billing..... So we are looking for a company 
which supplies a means to measure air quanity within a heating system or 
some other means to quantify the energy usage.

Please send any info to the above e-mail address.

thanks




From jstanley@gate.net Sat Nov  4 20:52:22 EST 1995
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In article <47dgbm$649@data.interserv.net>, earthshp@interserv.com wrote:
>Earthship Global Operations
>PO Box 2009
>El Prado, NM 87529
>(505) 751-0462 FAX: (505) 751-1005 E-Mail: earthshp@interserv.com
>
>ANNOUNCING THE EARTHSHIP CONCEPT
>
>The Earthship is a completely independent globally oriented
>dwelling unit made from materials that are indigenous to the
>entire planet.  The major structural building component of the
>Earthship is recycled automobile tires filled with compacted
>earth to form a rammed earth brick encased in steel belted
>rubber.

Since when are tires indigenous to the planet? Have scientists
discovered beds of fossilized Goodyears?

-- 
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net




From lib@archiweb.com Sat Nov  4 20:52:23 EST 1995
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YKK Architectural Products announces the opening our home page on 
the Internet.  Please participate in competitions, suggest new ideas 
or opinions, learn about Taiwanese architecture through photographs 
and much more. 

Don't miss this; make sure you access:
English, http://www.architecture-today.com/YKKAP/US/INDEX_E.HTM
Japanese, http://www.architecture-today.com/YKKAP/
-- 
Peace

    ////    Japanese Architecture  ////
   //// http://www.archiweb.com   ////  
  ////  Team OS/2 Tokyo, Japan   ////



From earthshp@interserv.com Sat Nov  4 20:52:24 EST 1995
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Earthship Global Operations
PO Box 2009
El Prado, NM 87529
(505) 751-0462 FAX: (505) 751-1005 E-Mail: earthshp@interserv.com

ANNOUNCING THE EARTHSHIP CONCEPT

The Earthship is a completely independent  globally oriented dwelling unit made from materials that are indigenous to the entire 
planet.  The major structural building component of the Earthship is recycled automobile tires filled with compacted earth to form a 
rammed earth brick encased in steel belted rubber.  This brick and the resulting bearing walls it forms is virtually indestructible.    
The three foot thick massive walls and the method of incorporating them into the earth create living spaces that retain a constant 
temperature.  Thus, with natural ventilation systems built in, an Earthship home will heat itself in the winter and cool itself in the 
summer without the use of centralized fossil or nuclear fuels.

The techniques of building these homes is being presented and developed in a way that will allow home owners to participate in 
and sometimes completely build their own home with materials that are free by-products of our existing society.   These homes 
have been designed and developed with an emphasis on global availability of all aspects of their construction.  They exist now in 
Bolivia, Australia, Mexico, Japan, Canada, and all over the USA.

Another very significant aspect of these Earthship homes is that they produce their own electricity with a pre-packaged 
photovoltaic power system, collect their own water from a unique metal roof and silt catch system and deal with their own sewage 
through food producing greenhouse technology and dry solar toilets. These homes are absolutely independent, can be built in any 
climate and are competitively priced with conventional housing that requires all the usual centralized utility systems.

The Earthship is the only globally appropriate, environmentally sensitive, trademarked fully independent home capable of 
functioning in any climate available in the world today.   Designs and components have been pre-packaged for easy assembly in 
any remote or urban area of the globe.  The Earthship concept will have a universal positive effect  on the environment, energy, 
housing, employment  and the over all quality of life on this planet.

 



From lib@archiweb.com Sat Nov  4 20:52:25 EST 1995
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YKK Architectural Products introduces Taiwanese architecture, culture,
traditions and history through photographs on the Internet. 

For more information please visit our site at 
http://www.architecture-today.com/YKKAP 
and click on the World of Architecture icon. 
-- 
Peace

    ////    Japanese Architecture  ////
   //// http://www.archiweb.com   ////  
  ////  Team OS/2 Tokyo, Japan   ////



From dfugler@cmhc-schl.gc.ca Sat Nov  4 20:52:26 EST 1995
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nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
>Does anyone use a woodstove or fireplace chimney as an air-air heat exchanger?

Dangerous stuff.  Most modern woodstoves and chimneys do not have a great 
deal of excess heat, beyond that needed to drive the smoke out of the top 
of the chimney.  Once you start mining that heat, you can be looking at 
creosote, chimney fires, poor draft, backdrafting, CO poisoning, etc.

If you have an old system with loads of extra heat, a solid fluepipe, 
good monitoring and calculation skills, and you want to play around in 
the spirit of scientific curiosity, sure - try something out. Make sure 
you leave enough for venting. Evacuate your family maybe.  If your actual 
goal is to extract the most heat possible from the wood you burn, get 
yourself a good EPA-certified stove and chimney and trust that the 
manufacturers have done their own research. They have. 



From lib@archiweb.com Sat Nov  4 20:52:27 EST 1995
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From: lib@archiweb.com (Anthony Alvarez)
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YKK Architectural Products announces the Shelter Idea 
Competition commemorates the opening our home page on 
the Internet.  One competition will be held every three 
months over the coming one year period, making a total 
of 4 competitions.  The theme of this first competition 
is "The Refuge".  What kind of a refuge can you imagine?  
Please express your ideas to us using computer graphics.

This is an informal competition on the Internet open to 
anyone in the world.  We look forward to receiving unique 
and interesting entries from around the world. 
The Grand Prize winner will receive the equivalent 
of $1,000USD, and the two First Prize winners will 
each receive the equivalent of $500 USD.

Don't miss this and make sure you access to: 
English, http://www.architecture-today.com/YKKAP/US/INDEX_E.HTM
Japanese, http://www.architecture-today.com/YKKAP/

Look for the "Competition" Icon.
-- 
Peace

    ////    Japanese Architecture  ////
   //// http://www.archiweb.com   ////  
  ////  Team OS/2 Tokyo, Japan   ////



From samsudee@acsu.buffalo.edu Sat Nov  4 20:52:28 EST 1995
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This is reply to mr. alex matovic's view on this subject....

HI mr.alex


when i started this thesis i was quite apprehensive that i wouldnt get 
enough response from architects or students since its a new subject and 
not yet explored...but to my surpsise i found that there are lots of 
architects who are experimenting withthis concept in real life and lots 
of students have done projects or thesis on this subject.  
Its good to know that those preceeding works would be of great help to me...

As of computer modelled and rendered images, its true that they can be 
excellent communicating tools, which we cant do as well with manual 
drawings...i was talking to a local architect, who in his firm has 
completely done away with paper works atleast in design aspect and he was 
telling me how the clients get overpowered by the computer renderings to 
the extent that they feel kind of insecure about the product....some 
times the realism involved in raytraced images have opposite effects on 
the clients....this was an interesting observation..

i completely agree with ur view...and tnx for sharing it....

Hids



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Information Materials List

Videos
Dennis Weaver's Earthship $29.95  Describes the building and concepts of The Weaver Earthship in Ridgeway, Colorado.
How to Build Your Own $26.95  Basic step by step to build your own Earthship.  Not to be used by itself.
Earthship Communities $26.95  Describes the three communities; REACH, STAR & the Greater World in the Taos area.
Earthship the Next Generation $16.95  By Solar Survival Architecture.  Describes the Earthship concept and ideas put forth by 
Michael Reynolds.
Systems Lecture $26.95  Takes you through all systems step by step, how & why.

Books
Earthship Vol. I $26.95  - 230 pages of detailed information in words and pictures showing you step-by-step, from design to finish, 
how to build your own Earthship.  Includes floor plans of existing Earthships.
Earthship Volume II $26.95  - 250 pages of detailed information on systems & components: solar electric, grey/waste water, 
lighting, solar hot water, fireplaces, stairways, doors/cabinets, bathtubs, gravity operated skylights, landscaping, permits, codes, 
financing and more.
Earthship Volume III $26.95  - The final volume, 240 pages of detailed information on high-performance generic designs with 
improved mechanical systems, thermal mass refrigerator, solar toilet, urban applications, communities and more.
Wizards - $12.95 A Metaphysical Manual of Human Potential from which the Earthship concepts came.
Newsletters
$20 for a One Year Subscription for four issues/ $5 each.
Number 1, "Welcome to the Earthship Newsletter"
Number 2, "Busy Summer for Earthships in Taos"
Number 3, "Earthship Four, Extreme Voyage"
Number 4, "A Greater World Community"
Number 5, "The Irony of Pursuing A Greater World"
Number 6, "Maiden Voyage"
Number 7, "The New Systems Package"
Number 8, "The Search for New Phenomenon"
Chronicles 
	$12.95 As the Earthship continues to evolve, we are finding in every way that our methods of presenting these 
evolutions must also evolve. There are so many different areas of evolution and the evolution is happening fast.  The Earthship 
Chronicles keep the information from each specific aspect of the Earthship current and available without having to wait for a year 
and a half to publish a another book.
Grey Water: Containment, Treatment, & Distribution Systems
Engineering
Tire Analysis - Structural Analysis of Weaver's tire construction. -$11
Complete Engineer's Report - Structural Analysis of all aspects of Earthships construction, includes Tire Analysis above. - $50
Community Package 
	Compete information describing the three communities in the Taos area; REACH, STAR, GREATER WORLD. - $12
Generic construction Drawings 
	Information on how to proceed with obtaining construction drawings for getting a building permit for your own Earthship 
with many different floor plans available.  -$10
Earthship alliance & Certification program
	For those who want to make a business of building Earthships. -$5
Equipment Catalog 
	Detailed description of all solar equipment for the Earthship with pictures. -$2
Off-the-Grid living components
Standard Earthship Power System  POM, PV Panels, Batteries, etc...
Power Organizing Module (P.O.M.) - Organizes the DC electricity from the sun through the solar panels into AC & DC electricity.  
Includes circuit breaker box, AC inverter gauges, charge controller, etc
Photovaltaic Panels - 8 recommended for average Earthship.  Collects the sun's DC electrical current.
Batteries - 10 recommended for average Earthship  Similar to golf cart batteries, they stores the DC electricity from the sun before it 
is organized and distributed by the POM.
Windmill-Air 303 (300W) -  Converts the wind into DC electricity.
Standard Earthship Water System  WOM, Scupper, Water Storage Tanks, etc...
Water Organizing Module (W.O.M.) - Filters and pumps water from cistern throughout the house.
Scupper - Fits at the end of the scupper valley, channels water to cistern.
3000 gal metal water storage tank.
1200 gal plastic water storage tank -Designed to be buried in the berm around the Earthship.
Details for home made cisterns.
Solar Toilet - By Solar Survival Architecture, comes in a kit ready to assemble easily.
Hot Water Heater - Includes a heatpipe which warms the water to a scalding degree and keeps 80 gallons warm for a long time, 
includes the stand.
Seminars
	$350 per person.  $600 per couple   Scheduled April through October, ask for schedule.
	To reserve your seminar date, please contact Earthship Global Operations at the address listed below.
Earthship Rentals 
	available nightly, weekly or monthly for demonstration purposes.   
Reach Studio - King size bed, fireplace, incredible views of the entire Taos Valley. 100 yard walk uphill from parking area.  
$400/month & $75/night
Weaver Earthship at Reach - Two bedrooms, kitchen, living room, fireplace, incredible view, 100 yard walk uphill from parking 
area.  $400/week for 2 people - $600/week for 4 people & $75/night for 1 person - $85/night for 2 people - $115 /night for 3 
people - $150/night for 4 people.
Efficiency Apartments in Greater World - fireplace and kitchen.  Experience all Earthship systems & pleasures.  Six month 
maximum.  $500/month & $80/night.
Two Bedroom home in Greater World - A typical "generic" Earthship, completely furnished with all amenities.  No smoking please.  
$700/week for 2 people - $900/week for 4 people & $300/3 nights for 2 people - $350/3 nights for 4 people & $125/night for 2 
people - $150/night for 4 people.
·
All rental prices subject to change in season.
Please Contact Barbara Lafon at (505) 751-0462 fax (505) 751-1005 for reservations.
Prices increased %25 for holidays, November 15 - December 1, December 15 - January 5.

Earthship Chairs
Heavy duty lifetime chairs that match the Earthship carpentry.
We also have available:
T-shirts, Hooded Forest Green Sweatshirts, Regular Sweatshirts, Hats, Can Coolers, and Tote Bags. 

To order any of the Products or Information Materials listed above, please contact: 

Earthship Global Operations
PO Box 2009
El Prado, NM 87529
Phone: (505) 751-0462  Fax: (505) 751-1005
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From h9296029@hkuxb.hku.hk Wed Nov  8 10:55:11 EST 1995
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Background:

The buildings and built spaces of the yester years abridge anations future with its tradition and heritage. They are the products of accumulated wisdom of the society and its artisans expressed through the spatial vocabulary. Thus one 
generation should be obliged to preserve this treasure for the benefit of the 
generations to come. However, development interventions endanger the survival of our cultural heritage. This is posing a serious threat to the FUTURE OF THE
PAST.
Architecture is a formal expression of a society's social, economic, technological and culturral achievements. It depicts a society vividly at any point of timeand in a particular region. The significance of preserving architectural heritage is now, therefore, universally recognised. 
Bangladesh, while heir to rich architectural heritage reminiscence of the great
civilisations of the region, is yet to define its stand on the issues od architectural conservation.
Dhaka has been a romantic eastern city for centuries. The indegenous city was
largely confined within the historic forms till the begining of this century.
Rapid expansion of city functions thereafter created a new city devoid of the vernacular spaces and traditional forms. The original city, stripped of its    
prestige and beauty, was relegated to a highly dense mixed use conglomeration.
Its Laissez-faire development has been unchartered and unregulated. Nevertheless, the city still possesses a vibrant ambience pulsating with people, events and
activities.

In this backdrop, the DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE, BANGLADESH UNIVERSITY OF 
ENGINEERING AND TECHNOLOGY (BUET) undertook a study entitled "The Conservation of Dhaka City- Its Historical Buildings and Areas". The first cyle of the study is nearing completion. To promote an awareness of architectural conservation among professionals and students in related fields, administrators and policy makers, owners and users of structures with conservation value, the conservation study team in conjunction with the Deaprtment of Architecture, BUET, is arranging this TWO DAY INTERNATIONAL SEMINAR

 on January 13th-14th, 1996.
Divided into three technical sessions, the seminar will be held at the Council
Building set within the BUET campus at a convenient distance from the heart of
the cityy.
The seminar will provide a forum for invetigating conservation issues. It aims
to draw together the many disciplines engaged in work relating to the architectural heritage of the region in general, and of Dhaka city in particular. the purpose is to collate all efforts for the future and to propagate awareness at all
levels.
We are seeking contributions to the seminar complying, but not necessarily limited, to the key areas. Case-studies from different regions and cultures are also welcome.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Proposed contributions should be in the form of an abstract of no more than  
1 side of an A4 in English to reach the above mentioned address byy 15th of November, 1995 (earlier October 5th,1996).
It is palnned that a book of refereed papers along with the seminar proceedings
will be published later.
An exhibition of measured drawings and a walking tour through old quarters of 
the city are added attractions of the events.
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Key Dates:
Submission of Abstracts:	October 05,1995-Nov 15,1995
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From yahala@aol.com Wed Nov  8 10:55:12 EST 1995
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ANNOUNCEMENT........ANNOUNCEMENT..........ANNOUNCEMENT

Opening at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine
New York, NY.
November 9, 1995
5 pm-7:30 pm

EXHIBITION/
CONTEMPORARY DEVELOPMENTS IN DESIGN SCIENCE:Marking the birth centennial
of Buckminster Fuller 1895-1995

An exhibition of innovations in design science & morphology and
applications to architecture.

Presented by Pratt Institute in cooperation with the Cathedral of St.John
the Divine and the Buckminster Fuller Institute.

Dear webmaster...please include this announcement in your site. The
exhibition's homepage can be found at
(http://www.core77.com/Exhibition/index.html). The page will be running by
tuesday afternoon. You are free to include this link to the announcement.
The homepage includes informtion about the exhibit, events and directions
to the cathedral.

Thank you very much.



From pcon@unixg.ubc.ca Wed Nov  8 10:55:13 EST 1995
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From: pcon@unixg.ubc.ca (Patrick Condon)
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Subject: sustainable urban landscapes
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:25:30 UNDEFINED
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The 1995 Sustainable Urban Landscapes Design Charrette was successfully concluded.
A publication of the results will be available in March of '96. Anyone 
interested in receiving this publication should e-mail pcon@unixg.ubc.ca. Your 
name will be added to the list. Cost for the publication has yet to be 
determined but will be as low as possible.

Meanwile I provide a copy of an article about the Charrette that ran in the Vanvouver Sun,
 Vanvouver's daily newspaper.


_____________________________________________

Glenn Bohn
Vancouver Sun
September 19, 1995

Surveyors carved Surrey into one-mile squares during the la
st century.  Some of North America's leading urban designers don't want smile
r squares and single family houses to be the only thing on the map in the
 next century.  They've designed a new suburbia.  In a four-day brainstor
ming session to create that new suburbia, those designers came up with ma
ps and sketches showing ideas for a sustainable community of 10,000 peopl
e, a pedestrian-oriented neighbourhood that is densely populated in some 
places but has large, interconnected parks in others.  The planning proje
ct began Monday when architects and landscape architects joined Universit
y of B.C. students on a school bus for a tour of the south Newton area of
 Surrey, a currently semi-rural area expected to be developed soon, that 
everyone was to come up with their dream plans for.  The project ended wi
th a presentation late Friday at the Surrey Art Centre. Patrick Condon, t
he director of UBC's landscape architecture program, told the audience that 
the goal was to illustrate what neighbourhoods would be like b they we built 
to conform with emerging federal, provincial, regional and municipal licies.  


On paper, all those governments have embraced the goal of sustainable 
development In 1987,  a United Nations commission defined sustainabili
ty as development that meets the needs of today's generation without d
amaging theability of future generations to meet theirs. Condon told a
n audience sprinkled with urban designers, developers and politicians 
that there are contradictions in the resulting urban development polic
ies. Governments want the environment protected, but they also want mo
re densely populated, transit friendly communities. Four teams of urba
n designers tried to turn the new policies into new designs. Now the. 
are four sets of maps and drawings, but there was also a lot of common
 ground.  All the teams wanted to protect the remnants of never-logged
 forests beside the streams and landscapes- as much as 30 percent of t
he land base - became the parks that protected fish, wildlife and water 
quality. These green spaces are also where the planners would put a connecting 
system of trails and bicycle paths. 

The next trick was to use lot designs and housing types that got more people  
on the remaining land. The idea wasn't just to make big parks. Then thousand 
people had to live somewhere. 

Before looking to the future the designers looked at the historical reasons 
for Surrey's development patterns  today.  For example,  Toronto architect Ken 
Geenberg began describing his team's vision by showing slides of the maps 
generated by the 19th century surveyors. This century, as land owners 
subdivided their 10 -, five- and one acre parcels, an increasingly complex 
quilt of properties, single-family houses and wide, dead-end roads spread over 
the landscape, incrementally wiping out the natural features that many urban 
dwellers sought when they fled to the suburbs.

The result, Greenberg said, is something that's neither fish nor fowl. 
It's a conventional suburb with neither the advantages of the city nor the 
countryside.All four urban designs created in last week's project made no 
attempt to eliminate the square-mile road grid. That's here to stay.  what was 
proposed for the areas within these squares is far different from the 
conventional subdivisions of single-family houses now being built. 


This grid can carry far more popple without ever producing streets of the size 
or single-minded quality that you get in conventional suburbia," Greenberg 
said. The elimination of lot patterns that consumes too much land also freed 
up more land for parks and public areas. 

The new suburbia doesn't look like a sea of same-sized houses.  There are
 all sorts of housing types on the same block: small houses on small lots, 
larger houses on larger lots, and plenty of "granny suites" or potential 
rental units above the garage in the back. Huge front yards with double 
garages facing the street are gone. That's wasted space too. Instead, there 
are tiny front yards with old fashioned front porches facing the street. Shade 
tress and sidewalks encourage people to walk to a bus station or store. 

Townhouses and apartment blocks are there too, but many face a forested 
hillside or a creek. There's land to be found on commercial sites as well. 
Instead of huge setbacks from the road that become parking lots, the office 
towers and large stores are placed close to arterial streets like King George 
Highway, just as they would be in a built up city. Eventually, over time, 
parking lots would all be underground. 

The movement of cars wouldn't be the first priority.People come first, so
 quite walkways connect neighbourhoods with light-rail transit and bus st
ops. There are 500 metre-wide circles on the maps. The idea is to have at
 least a small commercial area within that walking distance. "If you want to 
get a litre of milk or buy a newspaper , there's always some place you can go 
to within your immediate neighbourhood, Greenberg said.

In this vision of a 21st-century suburb, even our human waste stays close
 to home. All the sewage doesn't end up in  billion-dollar sewage plant be
fore getting dumped into the sea. Instead, each community could have its 
own sun-powered sewage-treatment plant. The sun pours into a glass lined 
building, providing heat for vats that use certain bacteria and plants to 
clean the polluted water. This indoor sewage -treatment plant also happens to 
be the community's botanical garden, because a nutrient-rich fertiliser is one 
of the byproducts.

"All of these techniques already exist," he noted.  "They can start to be 
employed."






From jstanley@gate.net Wed Nov  8 10:55:14 EST 1995
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From: jstanley@gate.net (John A. Stanley)
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Date: 6 Nov 1995 04:56:01 -0500
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In article <47h5cg$rsv@sirius.intxpress.co.nz>,
al_liesl@chch.planet.org.nz (Alan Hayne) wrote:
>
>
> Don't knock a good idea to help rid a growing enviromental problem
> At least rubber is a natural product emanating from trees.

Tires are made from petroleum based rubber. 

-- 
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net




From jstanley@gate.net Wed Nov  8 10:55:15 EST 1995
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From: jstanley@gate.net (John A. Stanley)
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In article <9511051526593.The_Win-D.balehead@delphi.com>,
balehead@delphi.com (John Swearingen) wrote:
>
> Note: " hay " contains seeds, is green, will spontaneously
> compost and blow-up in you walls.

True.

> " straw " is inorganic,

False.

> difficult to rot and not good to eat.  

True.

-- 
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net




From tjm@easynet.co.uk Wed Nov  8 10:55:16 EST 1995
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From: tjm@easynet.co.uk (Terence Joseph Mallon)
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Subject: The Unfeeling Feeling...
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Its a Sunday afternoon in September 1982. I can not recall the days date
or the approximate time, only the space, with its faces, words, sounds,
surfaces and pain. The I/me did not exist then, it was you, us, we, them
and it. Provocation was both a word unheard and unused. An action either
direct or indirect, always shallow - never of depth. A sheltered World. It
took less than a second to fracture the line, the line which usually
limits and then causes the reproduction, now suffered transposition
instead.....a release. I/Me was born, switched on awoke. Confused,
distorted, passionate, the view had changed from being that of a part, to
that of the whole. From one to an other, the clothed to the naked, the
false to the true. The potential for both/and appeared, where one is no
longer governed by the way one is, but lead by the way one feels. Hear me
please, "feel...what you feel." The hand, the nose, the teeth. Their is no
longer a body, just states of mind...just peaces. Where the work is going,
their is no longer a line and that is what the year has all been about. So
many people have life but so few are alive. End closure free. Inside,
outside, the same. The line, the between, can cause the problem, it also
offers the solution, it depends on ones parallax, ones position, ones
choice, ones involvement. Beyond the line, from the line, the invisible,
the in...visible. The relationship between personality and architecture.
The answers are already here, its a matter of going for the quest(ion)s.
The reversal. Assign From Feelings Emotions Constructing Their. My
quest(ion)s have just begun. Their is my architecture. Here is my
architecture. I AM MY ARCHITECTURE. I submit myself to the panel.

I LOVE YOU MUM AND DAD.
TERENCE. J. MALLON.
4th Year.

"This text was written in June 1994 at the end of my 4th Year at the
Architectural Association, School of Architecture, London. I am now ready
to give it to you, whoever 'you' may be. The Unfeeling Feeling."


From obrien@hevanet.com Wed Nov  8 10:55:16 EST 1995
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From: obrien@hevanet.com (Michael O'Brien)
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In article <47dur8$m9q@news.fonorola.net>, Don Fugler
<dfugler@cmhc-schl.gc.ca> wrote:

> nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
> >Does anyone use a woodstove or fireplace chimney as an air-air heat
exchanger?
> 
> Dangerous stuff.  Most modern woodstoves and chimneys do not have a great 
> deal of excess heat, beyond that needed to drive the smoke out of the top 
> of the chimney.  Once you start mining that heat, you can be looking at 
> creosote, chimney fires, poor draft, backdrafting, CO poisoning, etc.
> 
> If you have an old system with loads of extra heat, a solid fluepipe, 
> good monitoring and calculation skills, and you want to play around in 
> the spirit of scientific curiosity, sure - try something out. Make sure 
> you leave enough for venting. Evacuate your family maybe.  If your actual 
> goal is to extract the most heat possible from the wood you burn, get 
> yourself a good EPA-certified stove and chimney and trust that the 
> manufacturers have done their own research. They have. 

Totally agree. Even if you can get some heat out, the risks just are not
worth it.

In Oregon, I think most wood stoves are operating in thermal envelopes
where there is a great deal of insulation, air sealing, replacment window
upgrading, etc. waiting to be done, and that would improve both comfort
and efficiency much more cost-effectively. Tweaking the stove efficiency
would be way down the list of priorities. And even then, using dry wood
would improve heat output more than any other single measure available to
the homeowner.

Mike

-- 
Republicans: Threat or menace? You decide.


From jstanley@gate.net Wed Nov  8 10:55:17 EST 1995
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Subject: Re: Environmental Paints & Stains
Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:14:26 -0500
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In article <47jo4d$635$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>,
Muscoe Martin <72520.2404@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>We are considering specifying one of the German made 
>environmentally responsible (natural, non-petroleum 
>solvents, etc.) wood finishes.  Has anyone had any experience 
>with these (brand names are Livos or Auro) or other similar 
>products.

We have a southern yellow pine floor finished with a hard
varnish from one of those companies. It's good stuff.

-- 
John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net




From CC@Concern.net Wed Nov  8 10:55:18 EST 1995
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From: CC@Concern.net (Concerned Citizen)
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It has come to my attention that there is a large conflict on interest
going on in the NYC area.  An officer in the NYC MicroStation Users
Group is now working for a "dealer" of MicroStation products and
sercvices and has been calling end users inviting them to their
product rollout on 11/7 by introducing himself as "Hi, I'm XXXX XXXX,
office of the Users Group and working for XXXXXXX and I want you to
come to our seminar"  Imagine the gall of using the propietary lists
of users groups to try and gain business.  This should be stopped
immediately.  Users should boycott the event and not put up w/the
below the belt efforts of these low life individuals.



From coopfra@parsifal.nando.net Wed Nov  8 10:55:19 EST 1995
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CC@Concern.net (Concerned Citizen) wrote:
>It has come to my attention that there is a large conflict on interest
>going on in the NYC area.  An officer in the NYC MicroStation Users
>Group is now working for a "dealer" of MicroStation products and
>sercvices and has been calling end users inviting them to their
>product rollout on 11/7 by introducing himself as "Hi, I'm XXXX XXXX,
>office of the Users Group and working for XXXXXXX and I want you to
>come to our seminar"  Imagine the gall of using the propietary lists
>of users groups to try and gain business.  This should be stopped
>immediately.  Users should boycott the event and not put up w/the
>below the belt efforts of these low life individuals.
>
Don't throw out the baby with the bath water!

If what you say is accurate, don't go to his show, but do find his 
competition and go to theirs.  If you haven't seen MicroStation you 
should.  Furthermore, I have never seen MicroStation promotions that 
employed sleaze.  Tell them about it at

http://www.bentley.com

He just might find himself out looking for another job!



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In article <obrien-0611951146040001@ke-ppp01.hevanet.com>,
obrien@hevanet.com (Michael O'Brien) wrote:

>In article <47dur8$m9q@news.fonorola.net>, Don Fugler
><dfugler@cmhc-schl.gc.ca> wrote:
>
>> nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
>> >Does anyone use a woodstove or fireplace chimney as an air-air heat
>exchanger?
>> 
>> Dangerous stuff.  Most modern woodstoves and chimneys do not have a great 
>> deal of excess heat, beyond that needed to drive the smoke out of the top 
>> of the chimney...

One interesting approach I have seen is to run the stove pipe under an
adobe bench, heating the bench before going up and out the wall. The warm
bench worked like a Russian tile stove storing the extra heat from the
pipe.

-- 
  Richard Austin -- richard@rt66.com
   Institute for Planetary Renewal
    http://www.rt66.com/~richard/


From skv@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu Wed Nov  8 10:55:20 EST 1995
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From: skv@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu (John Skvarek)
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Subject: tire shortage in future
Date: 7 Nov 1995 01:24:19 GMT
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Tires may not be an environmental problem in the future because thee 
maybe so much demand for used tires for energy generation that used tires 
may be hard to come by.




From shermane@ct.picker.com Wed Nov  8 10:55:21 EST 1995
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From: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman, Michael E. - Fiddlin' round.)
Subject: Re: Chimney air-air heat exchangers
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In article 0611951146040001@ke-ppp01.hevanet.com, obrien@hevanet.com (Michael O'Brien) writes:
>In article <47dur8$m9q@news.fonorola.net>, Don Fugler
><dfugler@cmhc-schl.gc.ca> wrote:
>
>> nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
>> >Does anyone use a woodstove or fireplace chimney as an air-air heat
>exchanger?
>> 
>> Dangerous stuff.  Most modern woodstoves and chimneys do not have a great 
>> deal of excess heat, beyond that needed to drive the smoke out of the top 

...snip

>
>Totally agree. Even if you can get some heat out, the risks just are not
>worth it.
>

Totally disagree.
Creosote is only present if the fire is not hot enough.  If the fireplace is
designed to burn the wood fast and hot, then most of the heat can be safely
extracted.  Check out the designs of Russian and other masonary heaters. 
They burn the wood quickly and at a high temperature, burning the creosote 
and other gasses at the same time.  The heat is then captured in a flue with
many switchbacks.  There are several of these on the market (like Tulikivi).

Most modern woodstoves burn at a low temperature, and then pass the gasses
through a catalytic converter to burn (most of ?) them.  

Also check out the heat recovery system on a gas furnace flue used in the
Waterloo, Ontario Green Home.  See the Book "Green Home".  See the web site
http://web.cs.ualberta.ca/~art/house/ for info on the book.

-Mike

Mike Sherman  <shermanE@ct.picker.com>


From eco@interaccess.com Wed Nov  8 10:55:22 EST 1995
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From: eco@interaccess.com (Steve and Barbara Balkin)
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Alternative architecture people and their friends are invited to post questions
and discuss issues related to outdoor markets and street vendors in a new
usenet group: "alt.culture.openair-market". 

If you don't get this, please request  your internet sevice provider to 
provide access to it.

The following is the Charter. 

Discussion of open air markets around the world.  Open air markets would 
include Farmers' Markets, Flea Markets, Street Markets, and Street Vendors 
(formal and informal).

Examples of discussion questions would include:

Which markets best show local culture?
Which markets have the best and cheapest food?
Where are the best bargains?
What are the principles behind the most successful markets?
How does one best design and manage markets?
What is the role of open air markets in Community Economic Development?
Where are street vendors at risk of being forced out of business?

This will be an unmoderated group.

Open air markets are a rather big chunk of world economic activity.  With 
growing income inequality, this sector of the world economy is especially 
important to track and discuss.

- Steve Balkin
eco@interaccess.com







From csbinfo@cdmnet.com Wed Nov  8 10:55:23 EST 1995
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For Free Computer Hardware and Software product information send
E-Mail to csbinfo@cdmnet.com.  This is a file server that will
automatically send a category index to you.  I know what you are
sayin, nothings free, right.  Right.  But you're not paying, the guys
who supply the information do.. You see, they want you to know about
their new products.  
The Computer Solutions Bureau is simply a service to get  specific
computer product information to the people who want it specifically.
The one page index tells you what we have, and you decide what we send
you..  We don't send anything you don't ask for.  This kind of
advertising can sure save lots of paper.
This is a new free service, and right now, pretty humble in its
offering.  Become a member (free membership always) so we can keep you
up-to-date with our growing service..  Well be on the web in a month.
E-Mail to csbinfo@cdmnet.com.  Your feedback is greatly appreciated.



From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Wed Nov  8 10:55:24 EST 1995
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Richard Austin <richard@rt66.com> wrote:
 
>One interesting approach I have seen is to run the stove pipe under an
>adobe bench...

That sounds interesting. What are they called, bancas?

Reminds me of the traditional Chinese peasant "stove," combined with a
large hollow masonry sleeping platform, built like a Roman bath floor...

Nick



From kcronie@ibm.net Wed Nov  8 10:55:24 EST 1995
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From: Carib@ibm.net (Marcel)
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Subject: Search on magazines about monumental buildings
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Hello people,

I am searching for magazines, articles or databases with information about monumental buildings or architecture.
This information will be used by the department of monumental care on Curacao (Dutch Antilles)
So if you have some information I would be very pleased.

I thank you a lot in advance.

Greetings,


                Ken Cronie


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The title says it all? Please E-mail as I can't check newsgroups as 
often as I should.  Thanks, Brandon


From info@aecnet.com Wed Nov  8 10:55:26 EST 1995
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PRESS INFORMATION


Contact: Gene Simon
(516)754-3020


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

AECNET Announces Free Access to Internet Based Services for Design and
Construction Professionals

November 6, 1995 - Northport, NY - AECNET[tm] - The Electronic Resource
Network of Architecture, Engineering and Construction today announced that
it will now offer free access to the AECNET World Wide Web site and
Internet based Bulletin Board System.  Both services, available to design
and construction professionals with access to the Internet, will carry no
membership fees, no connect time charges and no software fees.  AECNET
uses both World Wide Web and electronic Bulletin Board System (BBS)
technology to provide design and construction professionals with
information, services, and an easy to use interactive gathering place on
the Information Superhighway.  

The AECNET World Wide Web site (http://www.aecnet.com), rapidly becoming
the most comprehensive industry resource on the Internet, is available on
the Internet to those with access to a World Wide Web browser. This
includes many users of the America Online, CompuServe and Prodigy
services.  The AECNET Internet Bulletin Board System is an on-line
service, similar in nature to these major commercial services, aimed
specifically at professionals in the commercial design and construction
industry.  The service is available with no long distance charges from the
Internet, and includes free point and click navigation software for both
PC and Macintosh users.  The Bulletin Board System is not available to
users of the major on-line services, however, since these services do not
connect users directly to the Internet.

The move was announced after a careful examination of the on-line market
as it pertains to the AEC industry in North America.  "Our strategy is
simple - if you are on the Internet, you can get to AECNET.  If not, we
can provide that connection at a very competitive rate.  For the past few
months we have been hearing requests for an open system, based on the
Internet, that carries little or no cost," noted AECNET president and
founder Drew Linsalata.  "We listened."

AECNET Vice President Gene Simon added, "Originally we envisioned AECNET
as a closed proprietary system supported by subscription dollars.  That
model has proven to be quite unsuccessful for other organizations so we
chose to make a change to reflect the current state of out market. The
dramatic increase in interest we have seen from industry vendors looking
at AECNET as an advertising vehicle prompted us to change direction more
quickly."  Simon added, "We are confident that we will be able to generate
the revenue required to provide this service at no charge."

The AECNET announcement marks the opening of the industry's first no cost
comprehensive on-line service.  AECNET will continue to offer fee based
Internet access and World Wide Web advertising packages to design and
construction firms around the US.

In conjunction with this announcement, the AECNET team unveiled a series
of promotional packages designed to allow building product manufacturers
and other industry vendors to take advantage of AECNET as a tool in
advertising products and services on the service.

Design and construction professionals interested in gaining free access to
the AECNET Web site or Internet BBS should contact AECNET via e-mail to
info@aecnet.com or by telephone at 1-800-9AECNET.

Industry vendors seeking information on advertising on AECNET should
contact AECNET at (516)754-3020 or via e-mail to sales@mail1.aecnet.com.

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From or05+@andrew.cmu.edu Sat Jan 27 23:20:28 EST 1996
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                                                       bgn/start.trnsm>now..

student at carnegie mellon posts:

how would one go about/or what sort of questions would one ask, 

if one were an architect in an urban setting analyzing a site?



please send any responses to:

or05@andrew.cmu.edu





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From coristew@uoguelph.ca Sat Jan 27 23:20:29 EST 1996
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From: coristew@uoguelph.ca (Cori Stewart)
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I took a peek at Shelter in my university library because of this thread, 
and I'll tell yuh, I liked it a lot! Greatly recommend it!  Not only does 
it have extensive looks at low tech building practices the world over 
with tonnes of pictures and informative precise information, but it has 
diagrams and instructions and historical perspectives, all of which are 
placed in a context towards the reader building something.

With respect to Mother Earth News ... this is another publication that 
has recently come to my attention, and I'll have to say i disagree with 
your Martha Stewart view of it in terms of building/living off the grid 
and sustainably ... I might put Harrowsmith Country Living in that 
category if I were lookin at it for sustainable living, but not Mother 
Earth News.  In the same library, I perused the issues from the last 
three or four years, and found some very valuable information ... topics 
like using/refurbishing, choosing a proper wood heating system ... like 
pow tech water systems hooked up from rivers, wells and cisterns ... like 
building something called a micro house .... something else called a 
straw bale house ... another article as a starter project for 
timberframing by building a wood shed ... tonnes of inspirational 
articles from others who are currently living this way and are very very 
happy.  I'd say give Mother Earth News another chance, and really peruse 
the issues, ... you'll be surprised.  

See yuh!

-T. Shawn
(currently using Cori's account)


From yount@csf.Colorado.EDU Sat Jan 27 23:20:30 EST 1996
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From: yount@csf.Colorado.EDU (Michael Yount)
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Cross Timbers Permaculture Institute is hosting the following
series of courses and workshops during the first half of 1996.
Anyone interested should contact Inger Myhre and Kirby Fry
at "72530.1353@compuserve.com" or by phone at 817-897-9402.



  Scheduled Events at Cross Timbers
     * Light Clay and Timber Frame Construction
      with Robert Laporte
      February 28 to March 3.
     * Pumice Wick Blackwater Filtration Systems
       with Tom Watson
       March 29 to March 31.
     * Permaculture Design Course
       with Bill Mollison and Scott Pittman
       April 13 to April 26.
     * Advanced Design Course
       with Bill Mollison and Scott Pittman
       May 3 to May 5.
       
   
Please see Cross Timbers' home page at 
http://csf.colorado.edu/perma/
for more information


Thanks,

Michael
yount@csf.colorado.edu



From cmpnls01@cidoc.iuav.unive.it Sat Jan 27 23:20:31 EST 1996
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From: cmpnls01@cidoc.iuav.unive.it (Campioni Alessandro)
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i need any kind of information about the conversion of raster file format in vectorial file format. Thank you in advance.


From jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:32 EST 1996
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From: jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com(Joe Hindorff)
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Subject: Decrement Factor
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I am preparing to build an energy efficient house.  We will use tire walls
insulated by urethane foam with a thermal barrier.   
 
I would like to run some numbers to predict the effectiveness and
efficiency of the design.  I have been able to obtain some software which
utilizes thermal time lag as described in chapter 26 of ASHRAE H.ofF. 1993,
SI metric edition.  Unfortunately, I can't find this volume.  I've been to
Arizona State, University of Az, University of Co, Boulder, and numerous
public libraries. 
 
All I need to run my numbers are the decrement factors for adobe and
urethane foam.   
 
If anyone could help me with this, I would by most appreciative! 
 
Thanks, 
 
Joe


From radek@ns.net Sat Jan 27 23:20:33 EST 1996
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From: radek@ns.net (Radek)
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Subject: True Double Locked Standing Seam Roof - perhaps Copper??????
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Anybody with questions about double rolled standing seam copper roofing,
please feel free to send me E-mail.


Radek
radek@ns.net

Radek Pokorny
Structural & Design Builders



From wetherow@mail.qb.island.net Sat Jan 27 23:20:33 EST 1996
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From: David Wetherow & Faye Buchanan <wetherow@mail.qb.island.net>
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I've been looking for internet connections to Christopher Alexander, his 
work, criticism, etc., but to no avail.  Any help would be appreciated.

We're working on a 'pattern language' re the topic of community 
inclusion of people with disabilities.
-- 
David Wetherow, Faye Buchanan & Amber Svingen
820 Mariner Way   * Parksville, BC  V9P 1S3
Tel: 604-248-1714 * Fax: 604-248-2685

We don't have a home page yet, but visit our friends Jack & Marsha at: 
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    unmistakable, individual,
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From Jerome Diskin Sat Jan 27 23:20:35 EST 1996
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From: Jerome Diskin
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I am a senior in interior design at Virginia Tech and know some about the 
programs at Tech as well as UVA.  Tech is doing some limited work on 
sustainable architechture, most of it based on the work of William 
McDonough, a professor of architecture at UVA. Mr. McDonough is the 
leading authority on sustainable design inside and out. While it does not 
come easily to recomend my rival institution, your best option would be to 
work under Mr. McDonough.

							Jerome Diskin
							jdiskin@vt.edu 
>
>
>



From barock@ukans.edu Sat Jan 27 23:20:36 EST 1996
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drb4204@usl.edu (Reidy Brown) wrote:
>I am a former physics graduate student looking for a career change to architecture.
>I am investigating architecutre graduate schools which seem to have strong programs
>in sustainable, low impact architecture.  So far, I have looked at UVa, Virginia Tech,
>U of New Mexico, U. of Oregon at Eugene, and U. of Tennessee at Knoxville.
> I would be interested to hear from anyone with more information on these programs,
>or any other suggestions for investigations.
>

You may be interested in architectural engineering.  To find out more 
about ARCE, visit our web site at:

http://www.arce.ukans.edu/arce/arce.htm

Good luck in your studies.

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From Capital@icis.on.ca Sat Jan 27 23:20:37 EST 1996
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From: Capital@icis.on.ca
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Component Systems of Canada Inc. (CSC)

We manufacturer SpaceJoist floor trusses, roof trusses, pre-engineered
house, cottage and garage kits. We also manufacturer panelized
exterior and interior walls. CSC is seeking distributors and/or agents
in Canada, USA, Asia, Africa and Europe for our line of quality
products.

If interested, please contact our office for more information and a
complete kit for your persual.

Component Systems of Canada Inc.
Att: Vice President
P.O. Box 2508
St. Marys, Ontario
Canada N4X 1A3

Canada & USA Toll Free: (800) 701-3987
Bus: (519) 284-0800
Fax: (519) 284-0799
Email: Homes@icis.on.ca



From abunuwas@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:38 EST 1996
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What *is* "sustainable architecture"?
What *does* "low impact" mean?

SynthesisPraxis
"Knowledge is an Action."

AbuNuwas@aol.com
hoskins@vitruvius.ar.utexas.edu


From jocaleb@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:39 EST 1996
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See the book by the architect Jonathon Hale: *The Old Way of Seeing*
discusses signs and symbols in architecture.
For bookstore ordering: ISBN # 0-395-60573-3


From bhoglund@hiwaay.net Sat Jan 27 23:20:40 EST 1996
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In article <9601220003.002R500@energy.com>, william.grennon@energy.com wrote:

>  > I am looking for information on "alternative" architecture
>  > processes such as polyurethane construction and/or sprayed
>  > concrete.  Could somebody point me in the right direction
>  > for recent work in this area for small scale building?
>  > 
>  >   Thanks,
>  > 
>  >       John Bozeman
>  > 
> 
> Try Monolithic Domes
> Italy, Texas
> 
> They blow-up air structures, spray urethanes on them from the inside, then
> apply shotcrete


Hi William,


I've heard & seen pictures of these Monolithic Domes, but wonder at their
actual "liveability", & must confess to being turned off by their
ugliness.  Have I missed seeing some attractive Domes, or is the
ugliness/economy a must do trade-off?

{To whoever answers, please email me as I sometimes miss the postings; Thanks}

Bruce Hoglund

____________________________________________________________

NOTE: The thoughts & comments above are the result of
pre-programmed genetic software, environmental influences, &
the chemical state of my bio-computer {brain} caused by a
pursuit of 'moderation in all things' type lifestyle.
Responsibility, in spite of the aforementioned, is still
mine alone!

Bruce Hoglund, 1995

____________________________________________________________


From mchenry@unm.edu Sat Jan 27 23:20:40 EST 1996
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In article <4dsoaf$gnu@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sarahs4151@aol.com says...
>
>thanks for all of your input
>going out to get shelter
>

>its the house that needs building that i need creative thoughts on
>
>
>
>sarah
>

Sarah...
Look in our searchable bibliography on the WEB.  It deals mainly with adobe 
and earthen forms of building, but might be of help.

http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry

P. G. McHenry  (Buzz)




From gsd96fh3@gsd.harvard.edu Sat Jan 27 23:20:41 EST 1996
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Harvard Graduate School of Design
Top Ten Rejected Studio Option Course Offerings Sp. ‘96


10.  Post-commodity Media-iteration of Papa Smurf’s House
Instructor: M. Brady

9. “Learning from Loker Common:” Hot Liquids and Marginal Employment in the   Post-Modern Cathedral - Survival of the Richest.
Instructor: Java the Hut

8.  Fire and Ice - A Diectic structure: Snow-person in a blast furnace.
Instructor: K. Kringle

7.  Senator J. McCarthy Memorial Library: A place to read and be red.
Instructor: D. Kwhale

6.  Transparency: Phenomenal, not Literal.
Instructor: Mr. Clean

5.  Delirious New Jersey: Learning from Chuckletown, USA. (“What exit are you off at?”)
Instructor: S. (WalMart) Walton

4.  A Machine in the Garden for the Noble Savage: A Honolulu Villa for Don Ho.
Instructor: J. Lord and T. Selleck

3. CyberHerme(Phat)Trans-Locutors: A Paperless but Grease-Filled studio exploring   Legal issues emerging from the Tasty Diner.
Instructor: J. Child and A. Dershowitz

* cross-listed as FAS Food and Beverage 106 / HLS Constitutional Law ProSeminar 906.

2.  Hugging Trees: Why is the Grass always Green?
Instructor: Lorne Greene.

1.  A Space for Dialogue: Interstellar Conflict and Zoning Ordinances in NASA’s 1997 Space Station “Friendship.”
Instructor: D. Vader.


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You should also look at Vellum


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In article <4e2psq$1cf@ruby.interactive.net>, <sgriese@interactive.net> writes:
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> From: sgriese@interactive.net (Stephen Griese)
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to find out what sorts of building systems are out there
> that would allow a house to be built and then dismantled, with the
> goal being to seperate the structure of the house from the real estate
> upon which it is located.  I'm thinking of some sort of "bolt
> together" structure, or one made up of small modules that could be
> "stacked" and then transported and "restacked".
> 
> With peoples' increasing mobility due to economic factors, a market
> may develop for a high quality home that could periodically move with
> its owner.
> 
> I look forward to hearing your ideas on this subject.
> 
> Stephen Griese
> 
> 
Tents !



From bkeir@gil.com.au Sat Jan 27 23:20:44 EST 1996
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wmlaven@well.com (William Laven) wrote:
>I'm doing a renovation of a 1950's wood frame house; limited $ keeps me
>from starting over so right now I'm dealing with standard roof rafters and
>wall studs and it will stay that way. Does anyone know of an
>ecologically-friendly insulation material to use in lieu of fiberglass or
>styrofam-like products?

In Australia, one method is Recycled newspapers (Cellulose), which is simply broken 
and fluffed up, treated with an anti-pest, flame-proof mixture of 
chemicals(primarily low-tech, low toxicity borax). It is "blown" in.
 
Good luck



From woodlab@u.washington.edu Sat Jan 27 23:20:45 EST 1996
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The following WWW site contains over 500 links to wood products related 
WWW sites:

http://weber.u.washington.edu/~esw/fpm.htm

The site includes links to builders, manufactured housing, window and 
door manufacturers, flooring manufacturers, structural wood product 
manufacturers, industry associations, and academic/research 
institutions.


From sdavis@onthenet.com.au Sat Jan 27 23:20:45 EST 1996
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I've upgraded the computer and now added some graphics to my Rammed Earth 
page at http://onthenet.com.au/~sdavis/rammed.htm  I would like to hear 
any coments.

Thanks

Steve



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From stevend280@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:46 EST 1996
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In article <4e2psq$1cf@ruby.interactive.net>, sgriese@interactive.net
(Stephen Griese) writes:

>With peoples' increasing mobility due to economic factors, a market
>may develop for a high quality home that could periodically move with
>its owner.

It already exists......  It is called a "mobile home."

Steve

StevenD280@aol.com


From jasgol2000@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:47 EST 1996
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Sounds good to me too, in theory.  But how do we put it into practice? 
Oops, I'm getting started already.  Keep me posted on the progress of
alt.architecture.theory.

Jason Gold


From jasgol2000@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:48 EST 1996
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Stephen--

I remember as a child being taken to see a factory somewhere near
Wilkes-Barre, PA where such bolt-together homes were produced.  Little did
I know at that point that I would end up an architect.

In any case, the company was Wickes Lumber.  The houses were manufactured
as two or more mobile-home sized units that were loaded onto flatbed and
shipped to wherever.  The houses were very ordinary (traditional/suburban)
in external appearance, and I have no idea of how they were organized
internally.  My guess, however, is that once these homes were placed on
foundations, they were never moved.

I wonder, in any case:  why would anyone want to move their house?  What
if you're moving to a different climate or terrain?  When relocating, at
least to cities or suburbs, wouldn't it be easier to find land with a
house already on it than vacant land?  Or would these become glorified,
upscale mobile homes, sequestered in "parks" that provide "ready-to-build"
parcels, utilities and neighbors in place, for already-built houses?  You
never know.

Good luck in any case.

--Jason Gold

  


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> I am looking for information on "alternative" architecture
> processes such as polyurethane construction and/or sprayed
> concrete.  Could somebody point me in the right direction
> for recent work in this area for small scale building?
>
> John Bozeman

Try 3D Insteel out of Sydney, Georgia.  It's a steel wire-truss system through
a core of polystyrene (2.5" or 4") that takes 1-2" of shotcrete on both sides.
If you want you can just texture the shotcrete as desired after spraying and
leave it as is.  This system and others are detailed in the Portland Cement
Association's Guide to Concrete Building Systems.  There is also some int'l
corporation that has been manufacturing a similar system for over a decade.
These make for incredibly strong structures.

Eric Brown



From dlinsalata@mail1.aecnet.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:49 EST 1996
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PRESS INFORMATION

Contact: Drew Linsalata
(516)754-3020

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


AECNET ADDS INDUSTRY EXPERTS TO TEAM OF WEB SITE COLUMNISTS

January 12, 1996 - Northport, NY - AECNET - the Electronic Resource
Network of Architecture, Engineering and Construction - today announced
the addition of several A/E/C industry experts to its team of web site
contributors.  These contributors will provide monthly columns covering
industry topics, which will appear on the AECNET World Wide Web site at
http://www.aecnet.com

Joining the AECNET team of web columnists are:

Paul Doherty, AIA  (pdoherty@pipeline.com) - Paul will present a monthly
column entitled "Digerati - A Report from the Information Revolution in
the Design Industry".  Paul is a partner in the Long Island firm of
Boccard Suddell Doherty and has been featured in several industry journals
and at several worldwide conferences as an innovator in the field of
information technology for the design professional.

Joseph Vance, AIA (joevance@aol.com) - Leader of the Macintosh Users Group
of the New York City Chapter of the AIA, Joe Vance will provide a monthly
"Macintosh Corner" column on the AECNET web site.  Covering the use of the
Macintosh as a tool in the design office, "Macintosh Corner" will include
discussion of current topics and links to archives of Joe's past work as a
practicing architect and Macintosh consultant.

Jay Shilstone (jay.shilstone@shilstone.com)- Principal in The Shilstone
Companies and an acknowledged expert in the field of concrete science and
technology, Jay will provide a monthly "Concrete Comments" column to
AECNET covering innovative uses of concrete in construction.

Charles Haber (c_haber@panix.com) - A partner in the New York City
consulting firm Archidata, and a member of CADVANSYS New York, Charles
will administer the "Maximum CAD" column on AECNET, covering  issues
concerning the maximizing of your CAD investment from both a hardware and
personnel point of view.

"We are thrilled to add these fine individuals to our team of content
providers," said AECNET founder and CEO Drew Linsalata.  "This represents
a great deal of progress toward reaching our goal of providing current and
useful information to professionals in the design and commercial
construction industry.  We've been looking at AECNET as more of a
"cyberactive" magazine or cable television network.  These folks represent
the first additions to our editorial and programming team".

The company plans to announce the addition of several other prominent
industry experts to the editorial team in the very near future covering
such topics as design office technology, marketing design services, and
managing the small firm or solo practice.

Individuals interested in becoming AECNET contributors should contact
Patti McAlpine at AECNET at 1-800-9AECNET.

AECNET provides World Wide Web services, Internet access packages, and
Internet based Bulletin Board Services for professionals in architecture,
engineering and commercial construction industry.  AECNET can be reached
using any of the following methods:

Telephone: 1-800-9AECNET
Web: http://www.aecnet.com
E-mail: info@aecnet.com


From dlinsalata@mail1.aecnet.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:50 EST 1996
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From: dlinsalata@mail1.aecnet.com (Drew Linsalata)
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Subject: 6000 BUILDING PRODUCT LISTINGS
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PRESS INFORMATION

Contact: Drew Linsalata
(516)754-3020

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

AECNET ADDS OVER SIX THOUSAND BUILDING PRODUCT VENDORS TO INDUSTRY WEB SITE

January 12, 1996 - Northport, NY - AECNET - The Electronic Resource
Network of Architecture, Engineering and Construction today announced that
it has added a database of over six thousand building product
manufacturers to its industry World Wide Web site at http://www.aecnet.com

The database of manufacturers is organized using the Masterformat system
>from  the Construction Specifications Institute and allows architects,
consulting engineers, and commercial construction professionals to locate
industry vendors with just a few clicks of a mouse.

AECNET plans to enhance this feature in the near future by adding a
keyword search tool to the site, allowing visitors to search for product
information by CSI division number, keyword, or manufacturer's name.  In
addition, the company announced plans to allow industry vendors to enhance
their presence on the Internet by linking existing web sites to the AECNET
database or establishing interactive web sites on the AECNET network.

"AECNET is beginning to look more and more like a magazine or cable
television network," said Drew Linsalata, AECNET founder and CEO.  "It is
our job to provide the on-line organization and framework  for information
providers to operate within.  Manufacturers of building products are no
exception."

The AECNET web site is now visited by over 6000 industry professionals
every month, with over 70,000 files transmitted in each 30 day period. 
Industry vendors seeking representation on the service should contact Bob
McAlpine at AECNET at 1-800-9AECNET.

AECNET provides World Wide Web services, Internet access packages, and
Internet based Bulletin Board Services for professionals in the commercial
design and construction industry.  AECNET can be reached using any of the
following methods:

Telephone: 1-800-9AECNET
Web: http://www.aecnet.com
E-mail: info@aecnet.com


From tasman@acsu.buffalo.edu Sat Jan 27 23:20:51 EST 1996
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From: tasman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Daniel P Tasman)
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Ostap Rudakevych (or05+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:


> how would one go about/or what sort of questions would one ask, 
> if one were an architect in an urban setting analyzing a site?

What sort of project would be placed on the site?  
Are you looking at just design issues, or legal and economic 
justifibality as well?

-- 
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From dlinsalata@mail1.aecnet.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:51 EST 1996
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From: dlinsalata@mail1.aecnet.com (Drew Linsalata)
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PRESS INFORMATION

Contact: Drew Linsalata
(516)754-3020

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


AECNET ADDS INDUSTRY EXPERTS TO TEAM OF WEB SITE COLUMNISTS

January 12, 1996 - Northport, NY - AECNET - the Electronic Resource
Network of Architecture, Engineering and Construction - today announced
the addition of several A/E/C industry experts to its team of web site
contributors.  These contributors will provide monthly columns covering
industry topics, which will appear on the AECNET World Wide Web site at
http://www.aecnet.com

Joining the AECNET team of web columnists are:

Paul Doherty, AIA  (pdoherty@pipeline.com) - Paul will present a monthly
column entitled "Digerati - A Report from the Information Revolution in
the Design Industry".  Paul is a partner in the Long Island firm of
Boccard Suddell Doherty and has been featured in several industry journals
and at several worldwide conferences as an innovator in the field of
information technology for the design professional.

Joseph Vance, AIA (joevance@aol.com) - Leader of the Macintosh Users Group
of the New York City Chapter of the AIA, Joe Vance will provide a monthly
"Macintosh Corner" column on the AECNET web site.  Covering the use of the
Macintosh as a tool in the design office, "Macintosh Corner" will include
discussion of current topics and links to archives of Joe's past work as a
practicing architect and Macintosh consultant.

Jay Shilstone (jay.shilstone@shilstone.com)- Principal in The Shilstone
Companies and an acknowledged expert in the field of concrete science and
technology, Jay will provide a monthly "Concrete Comments" column to
AECNET covering innovative uses of concrete in construction.

Charles Haber (c_haber@panix.com) - A partner in the New York City
consulting firm Archidata, and a member of CADVANSYS New York, Charles
will administer the "Maximum CAD" column on AECNET, covering  issues
concerning the maximizing of your CAD investment from both a hardware and
personnel point of view.

"We are thrilled to add these fine individuals to our team of content
providers," said AECNET founder and CEO Drew Linsalata.  "This represents
a great deal of progress toward reaching our goal of providing current and
useful information to professionals in the design and commercial
construction industry.  We've been looking at AECNET as more of a
"cyberactive" magazine or cable television network.  These folks represent
the first additions to our editorial and programming team".

The company plans to announce the addition of several other prominent
industry experts to the editorial team in the very near future covering
such topics as design office technology, marketing design services, and
managing the small firm or solo practice.

Individuals interested in becoming AECNET contributors should contact
Patti McAlpine at AECNET at 1-800-9AECNET.

AECNET provides World Wide Web services, Internet access packages, and
Internet based Bulletin Board Services for professionals in architecture,
engineering and commercial construction industry.  AECNET can be reached
using any of the following methods:

Telephone: 1-800-9AECNET
Web: http://www.aecnet.com
E-mail: info@aecnet.com


From yoresoft@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:52 EST 1996
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From: yoresoft@aol.com (YORESOFT)
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Subject: Re: Movable homes
Date: 25 Jan 1996 13:36:22 -0500
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Actually, these are called modular prefabricated homes.  They usually cost
50% more per sq. foot than a mobile home.  They are not however; made to
be moved after they have been installed.

There are many mfg. of these homes.

Rick


From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 27 23:20:53 EST 1996
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For sale: A ‘Seagull’ chair and ottoman designed by Berg & Ericsson,
upholstered in red hopsak. It was only produced for three years
between 1968 and 1971 by Fritz Hansen. This chair was first exhibited
at the Danish Furniture Fair in 1968.
 
The chair has a period feel with a  scuptural form resembling
something out of Star Trek.

A black & white Jpeg picture of this chair & otoman is available on
the alt.binaries.pictures.furniture newsgroup.


graham@mancha.demon.co.uk



From bfurman@nmt.edu Sat Jan 27 23:20:54 EST 1996
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From: bfurman@nmt.edu (Ben Furman)
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Subject: Re: Plastic roof?
Date: 26 Jan 1996 03:05:08 GMT
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In article <4e7bcn$os3@earth.superlink.net>, Rob-L <rob-l@superlink.net> wrote:
>I've often thought that a plastic standing-seam roof would be a good 
>product to have.  White polypropylene or something, perhaps crosslinked, 
>available in LONG sheets that have interlocking sides.
>
>Wouldn't that be just as durable as a metal roof, if not more so, and 
>cost a lot less?  Sure would be less wettable, and snow wouldn't stay on it.
>

Indeed, it would be less wettable.  Good idea.  However, UV radiation would
probably destroy it in less than ten years.  Not so good.  What's wrong with
aluminum?  It can be artificially oxidized to make it white.

>Where's GE Plastics when you need them?
>

Busy as usual, coming up with the best solutions they can, I'm sure. :-)


Ben Furman
bfurman@mailhost.nmt.edu



From john.levin@paonline.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:55 EST 1996
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960123001234.6656A-100000@garcia.efn.org>, 
kging@efn.org says...
>
>
>Second part of this post is about the passage of a resolution by the 
>American Farm Bureau Federation, largest farm org in U.S. - 4.6 million 
>people - calling for research that could lead to the reintroduction of 
>hemp into the American farm economy.

[100 lines of moonbeam nonsense omitted]

Why d'ye think they call it 'dope'?



From ws@mindspring.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:56 EST 1996
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From: Ward Smith <ws@mindspring.com>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Several Questions about Straw-Bale and Cob Construction
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:32:58 +0000
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Maybe someone here can answer some of these questions.

I just finished The Straw-Bale House.  Amazing book, and they make 
reference to several things that People might know more about.

1:  It was stated that in some areas where straw may not be readily 
available, other materials could be used.  Among those mentioned is 
Recycled materials (newspaper, etc.).  Does anyone reading this have 
experience with Recycled Newspaper-Bale construction?

2:  Pine straw is abundant here in the south, but is it really 
flammable?  Would the same fire retarding features exhibited in 
general straw-clay construction reduce the flammability of a 
pinestraw&clay form?  I'm going to do a few tests, but someone may 
have already tried this.

3:  Several mentions were made of Nader Khalili's recent work, using 
sandbags filled with wet dirt, formed into vaults and domes, and 
left to dry then plastered.  I don't see it documented heavily in 
his book "Ceramic Houses" or "Racing Alone" and I wonder if there is 
some other publication or newsletter that goes more into detail.

Well, if you can answer 1 out of three, I'll be happy.  TIA.Stephen 
Griese wrote:



From herballyyrs@designlink.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:57 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Mac Cad suggestions?
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I have TurboCad for the Mac and would not recommend it. It is the only
unfriendly software I have ever purchased, and I own enough stuff to stock a
computer store. 


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From scrinia@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:20:58 EST 1996
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Does 'humanities.design.misc' sound like the thing you're looking for?
FRITZ JOHNSON


From coristew@uoguelph.ca Sat Jan 27 23:20:58 EST 1996
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From: coristew@uoguelph.ca (Cori Stewart)
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Subject: Re: insulation alternatives?
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Barry Keir (bkeir@gil.com.au) wrote:
: wmlaven@well.com (William Laven) wrote:
: >I'm doing a renovation of a 1950's wood frame house; limited $ keeps me
: >from starting over so right now I'm dealing with standard roof rafters and
: >wall studs and it will stay that way. Does anyone know of an
: >ecologically-friendly insulation material to use in lieu of fiberglass or
: >styrofam-like products?

I've heard popcorn works well as a low tech solution ... anyone else?  
Although some treatment might be needed if at all possible for fireproofing.

-T. Shawn Johnson
(using Cori's account)


From coristew@uoguelph.ca Sat Jan 27 23:20:59 EST 1996
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From: coristew@uoguelph.ca (Cori Stewart)
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Subject: ONTARIO building code questions
Date: 26 Jan 1996 22:09:06 GMT
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I tried to peruse the Ontario Building Code ... even through some of the 
guides that are available, and still I am having GREAT difficulty finding 
quick answers to a few simple questions.  Here's the main question I 
have, for anyone out there who is familiar with the Ontario Building Code.

-> For a house built for only one person in mind, what is the smallest it is 
allowed to be?

I've read an article about something called micro-housing ... it was a 
house built 8'X12'.  There was a portion of the article dealing with 
'laws', and for where the author lived (somewhere in California), a house 
had to be at least 640 square feet, unless at least one person living in 
the dwelling was over 60 years of age (there is some law there allowing 
smaller accomodations for seniors on low incomes).

This is the only indication I have, and reading the Ontario Building Code 
was indeed a nightmare ... I found a lot about the maximum sizes for 
barn, pools, arenas and such, and i saw minimums for room and ceiling 
sizes, but nothing about the entire area of a dwelling.

Please help if you can.  I would also appreciate it if anyone can point 
me to any comprehensive books, pamphlets, guides, etc that would help me 
with simple questions lacking lawyer jargon.

Take care.

-T. Shawn Johnson
(currently using Cori's account)


From bis@rah.vcsn.com Sat Jan 27 23:21:00 EST 1996
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Has anyone ever heard of constructing a Geodome inflating some kind of
balloon as the skeleton and then covering it with concrete as the
shell.

If so, anyone have any ideas where I can obtain such a balloon?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks

Brett




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From: gdcinc@eworld.com (GDCINC)
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I am a small general contractor/builder on Long Island.  I use a program
called FastTrack schedule.  It is perfect!  It is easy to use and
completely customizeable.  The first time I installed it I created a
schedule in 5 minutes.  It has made my jobs simplistic in regards to the
schedule.


From richard@rt66.com Sat Jan 27 23:21:02 EST 1996
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From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin)
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In article <DLprIC.7sC@gil.com.au>, Barry Keir <bkeir@gil.com.au> wrote:

>wmlaven@well.com (William Laven) wrote:
>>I'm doing a renovation of a 1950's wood frame house; limited $ keeps me
>>from starting over so right now I'm dealing with standard roof rafters and
>>wall studs and it will stay that way. Does anyone know of an
>>ecologically-friendly insulation material to use in lieu of fiberglass or
>>styrofam-like products?
>
>In Australia, one method is Recycled newspapers (Cellulose), which is
simply broken 
>and fluffed up, treated with an anti-pest, flame-proof mixture of 
>chemicals(primarily low-tech, low toxicity borax). It is "blown" in.
> 
>Good luck

Yes, cellulose insulation which is usually mixed with borax or similar
product for pest exclusion and fire retardant.

In Germany, straw is mixed with a clay slurry coating is used as an
insulation by packing into the wall cavity. It is know to have lasted 700
years. Must be fireproofed by coating with plaster. See our site for more
info.

-- 
  Richard Austin -- richard@rt66.com
   Institute for Planetary Renewal
    http://www.rt66.com/~richard/


From lilap@asiaonline.net Sat Jan 27 23:21:03 EST 1996
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From: lilap@asiaonline.net (Li Shun Lap)
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Subject: Energy Control of Building
Newsgroups: sci.engr.heat-vent-ac
Summary: 
Keywords: 

Hellow all,

I am required to do a little project about the building energy control by 
the application of :
1  OTTV
2. U-Value Limit
3 Energy Budget Crtertia

I want to ask the following question :

1 How many state in USA use OTTV, U-Value Limit & Energy Budget Crtertia?
2 What other country using these three technique and why?

Thaks for a lot,

Lap



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What is your asking price?



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What is the asking price? 
>




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what is the asking price?



From bruno@gnn.com Sat Jan 27 23:21:06 EST 1996
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what is the asking price?



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what is the asking price?



From resnikc@mci.newscorp.com Sat Jan 27 23:21:08 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Planetary Re-Education: HEMP SAVES WORLD
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There will be lots of a certain byproduct around if more hemp is grown. 
There is already a lot of cereal fibre around that could be pulped after 
the wheat straw, ect is harvested. Lets use that up first.
Caroline



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From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin)
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In article <utilfree-2201962028250001@rofpop2.infosphere.com>,
utilfree@infosphere.com (John) wrote:

>In article <4dn23r$q8f@daily-planet.execpc.com>, wez2@earth.execpc.com
>(Walter Zimmerman) wrote:
>
>> I'd like to build a unique structure to take advantage of the features of 
>> my parcel and its remote location. 
>
>I see you are building at a remote location. 
>
>Check out our home page:
http://www.infosphere.com/rof/yp/utilfree/utilfree.html
>It is very new so be expecting more additions in the future.
>**********************************
>John D'Angelo 

You may also want to check out our site for more ideas.

-- 
  Richard Austin -- richard@rt66.com
   Institute for Planetary Renewal
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                                                       bgn/start.trnsm>now..

student at carnegie mellon posts:

how would one go about/or what sort of questions would one ask, 

if one were an architect in an urban setting analyzing a site?



please send any responses to:

or05@andrew.cmu.edu





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From coristew@uoguelph.ca Sat Jan 27 23:23:02 EST 1996
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From: coristew@uoguelph.ca (Cori Stewart)
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I took a peek at Shelter in my university library because of this thread, 
and I'll tell yuh, I liked it a lot! Greatly recommend it!  Not only does 
it have extensive looks at low tech building practices the world over 
with tonnes of pictures and informative precise information, but it has 
diagrams and instructions and historical perspectives, all of which are 
placed in a context towards the reader building something.

With respect to Mother Earth News ... this is another publication that 
has recently come to my attention, and I'll have to say i disagree with 
your Martha Stewart view of it in terms of building/living off the grid 
and sustainably ... I might put Harrowsmith Country Living in that 
category if I were lookin at it for sustainable living, but not Mother 
Earth News.  In the same library, I perused the issues from the last 
three or four years, and found some very valuable information ... topics 
like using/refurbishing, choosing a proper wood heating system ... like 
pow tech water systems hooked up from rivers, wells and cisterns ... like 
building something called a micro house .... something else called a 
straw bale house ... another article as a starter project for 
timberframing by building a wood shed ... tonnes of inspirational 
articles from others who are currently living this way and are very very 
happy.  I'd say give Mother Earth News another chance, and really peruse 
the issues, ... you'll be surprised.  

See yuh!

-T. Shawn
(currently using Cori's account)


From yount@csf.Colorado.EDU Sat Jan 27 23:23:03 EST 1996
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From: yount@csf.Colorado.EDU (Michael Yount)
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Cross Timbers Permaculture Institute is hosting the following
series of courses and workshops during the first half of 1996.
Anyone interested should contact Inger Myhre and Kirby Fry
at "72530.1353@compuserve.com" or by phone at 817-897-9402.



  Scheduled Events at Cross Timbers
     * Light Clay and Timber Frame Construction
      with Robert Laporte
      February 28 to March 3.
     * Pumice Wick Blackwater Filtration Systems
       with Tom Watson
       March 29 to March 31.
     * Permaculture Design Course
       with Bill Mollison and Scott Pittman
       April 13 to April 26.
     * Advanced Design Course
       with Bill Mollison and Scott Pittman
       May 3 to May 5.
       
   
Please see Cross Timbers' home page at 
http://csf.colorado.edu/perma/
for more information


Thanks,

Michael
yount@csf.colorado.edu



From cmpnls01@cidoc.iuav.unive.it Sat Jan 27 23:23:04 EST 1996
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i need any kind of information about the conversion of raster file format in vectorial file format. Thank you in advance.


From jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:05 EST 1996
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I am preparing to build an energy efficient house.  We will use tire walls
insulated by urethane foam with a thermal barrier.   
 
I would like to run some numbers to predict the effectiveness and
efficiency of the design.  I have been able to obtain some software which
utilizes thermal time lag as described in chapter 26 of ASHRAE H.ofF. 1993,
SI metric edition.  Unfortunately, I can't find this volume.  I've been to
Arizona State, University of Az, University of Co, Boulder, and numerous
public libraries. 
 
All I need to run my numbers are the decrement factors for adobe and
urethane foam.   
 
If anyone could help me with this, I would by most appreciative! 
 
Thanks, 
 
Joe


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From: radek@ns.net (Radek)
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Subject: True Double Locked Standing Seam Roof - perhaps Copper??????
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Anybody with questions about double rolled standing seam copper roofing,
please feel free to send me E-mail.


Radek
radek@ns.net

Radek Pokorny
Structural & Design Builders



From wetherow@mail.qb.island.net Sat Jan 27 23:23:07 EST 1996
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From: David Wetherow & Faye Buchanan <wetherow@mail.qb.island.net>
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I've been looking for internet connections to Christopher Alexander, his 
work, criticism, etc., but to no avail.  Any help would be appreciated.

We're working on a 'pattern language' re the topic of community 
inclusion of people with disabilities.
-- 
David Wetherow, Faye Buchanan & Amber Svingen
820 Mariner Way   * Parksville, BC  V9P 1S3
Tel: 604-248-1714 * Fax: 604-248-2685

We don't have a home page yet, but visit our friends Jack & Marsha at: 
http://www.inclusion.com

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  There is in each life a quality,
    a special fragrance of the bone and of the flesh,
    unmistakable, individual,
    exactly as it issued from the Spirit's mold.
  A quality which nothing can in any manner alter.
 
                               - Kenneth Patchen
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From Jerome Diskin Sat Jan 27 23:23:08 EST 1996
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From: Jerome Diskin
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I am a senior in interior design at Virginia Tech and know some about the 
programs at Tech as well as UVA.  Tech is doing some limited work on 
sustainable architechture, most of it based on the work of William 
McDonough, a professor of architecture at UVA. Mr. McDonough is the 
leading authority on sustainable design inside and out. While it does not 
come easily to recomend my rival institution, your best option would be to 
work under Mr. McDonough.

							Jerome Diskin
							jdiskin@vt.edu 
>
>
>



From barock@ukans.edu Sat Jan 27 23:23:08 EST 1996
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drb4204@usl.edu (Reidy Brown) wrote:
>I am a former physics graduate student looking for a career change to architecture.
>I am investigating architecutre graduate schools which seem to have strong programs
>in sustainable, low impact architecture.  So far, I have looked at UVa, Virginia Tech,
>U of New Mexico, U. of Oregon at Eugene, and U. of Tennessee at Knoxville.
> I would be interested to hear from anyone with more information on these programs,
>or any other suggestions for investigations.
>

You may be interested in architectural engineering.  To find out more 
about ARCE, visit our web site at:

http://www.arce.ukans.edu/arce/arce.htm

Good luck in your studies.

-- 
*************************************************************************
Brian A. Rock, Ph.D., P.E.        Voice:  (913) 864-3434
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From Capital@icis.on.ca Sat Jan 27 23:23:09 EST 1996
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From: Capital@icis.on.ca
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Subject: PREFAB HOUSING & TRUSS PLANT SEEKING DISTRIBUTORS/AGENTS
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Component Systems of Canada Inc. (CSC)

We manufacturer SpaceJoist floor trusses, roof trusses, pre-engineered
house, cottage and garage kits. We also manufacturer panelized
exterior and interior walls. CSC is seeking distributors and/or agents
in Canada, USA, Asia, Africa and Europe for our line of quality
products.

If interested, please contact our office for more information and a
complete kit for your persual.

Component Systems of Canada Inc.
Att: Vice President
P.O. Box 2508
St. Marys, Ontario
Canada N4X 1A3

Canada & USA Toll Free: (800) 701-3987
Bus: (519) 284-0800
Fax: (519) 284-0799
Email: Homes@icis.on.ca



From abunuwas@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:10 EST 1996
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From: abunuwas@aol.com (Abunuwas)
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Subject: Re: sustainable architecture
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What *is* "sustainable architecture"?
What *does* "low impact" mean?

SynthesisPraxis
"Knowledge is an Action."

AbuNuwas@aol.com
hoskins@vitruvius.ar.utexas.edu


From bhoglund@hiwaay.net Sat Jan 27 23:23:11 EST 1996
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From: bhoglund@hiwaay.net (Bruce Hoglund)
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In article <9601220003.002R500@energy.com>, william.grennon@energy.com wrote:

>  > I am looking for information on "alternative" architecture
>  > processes such as polyurethane construction and/or sprayed
>  > concrete.  Could somebody point me in the right direction
>  > for recent work in this area for small scale building?
>  > 
>  >   Thanks,
>  > 
>  >       John Bozeman
>  > 
> 
> Try Monolithic Domes
> Italy, Texas
> 
> They blow-up air structures, spray urethanes on them from the inside, then
> apply shotcrete


Hi William,


I've heard & seen pictures of these Monolithic Domes, but wonder at their
actual "liveability", & must confess to being turned off by their
ugliness.  Have I missed seeing some attractive Domes, or is the
ugliness/economy a must do trade-off?

{To whoever answers, please email me as I sometimes miss the postings; Thanks}

Bruce Hoglund

____________________________________________________________

NOTE: The thoughts & comments above are the result of
pre-programmed genetic software, environmental influences, &
the chemical state of my bio-computer {brain} caused by a
pursuit of 'moderation in all things' type lifestyle.
Responsibility, in spite of the aforementioned, is still
mine alone!

Bruce Hoglund, 1995

____________________________________________________________


From mchenry@unm.edu Sat Jan 27 23:23:12 EST 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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In article <4dsoaf$gnu@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sarahs4151@aol.com says...
>
>thanks for all of your input
>going out to get shelter
>

>its the house that needs building that i need creative thoughts on
>
>
>
>sarah
>

Sarah...
Look in our searchable bibliography on the WEB.  It deals mainly with adobe 
and earthen forms of building, but might be of help.

http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry

P. G. McHenry  (Buzz)




From gsd96fh3@gsd.harvard.edu Sat Jan 27 23:23:13 EST 1996
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From: gsd96fh3@gsd.harvard.edu (howarth)
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Harvard Graduate School of Design
Top Ten Rejected Studio Option Course Offerings Sp. ‘96


10.  Post-commodity Media-iteration of Papa Smurf’s House
Instructor: M. Brady

9. “Learning from Loker Common:” Hot Liquids and Marginal Employment in the   Post-Modern Cathedral - Survival of the Richest.
Instructor: Java the Hut

8.  Fire and Ice - A Diectic structure: Snow-person in a blast furnace.
Instructor: K. Kringle

7.  Senator J. McCarthy Memorial Library: A place to read and be red.
Instructor: D. Kwhale

6.  Transparency: Phenomenal, not Literal.
Instructor: Mr. Clean

5.  Delirious New Jersey: Learning from Chuckletown, USA. (“What exit are you off at?”)
Instructor: S. (WalMart) Walton

4.  A Machine in the Garden for the Noble Savage: A Honolulu Villa for Don Ho.
Instructor: J. Lord and T. Selleck

3. CyberHerme(Phat)Trans-Locutors: A Paperless but Grease-Filled studio exploring   Legal issues emerging from the Tasty Diner.
Instructor: J. Child and A. Dershowitz

* cross-listed as FAS Food and Beverage 106 / HLS Constitutional Law ProSeminar 906.

2.  Hugging Trees: Why is the Grass always Green?
Instructor: Lorne Greene.

1.  A Space for Dialogue: Interstellar Conflict and Zoning Ordinances in NASA’s 1997 Space Station “Friendship.”
Instructor: D. Vader.


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You should also look at Vellum


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In article <4e2psq$1cf@ruby.interactive.net>, <sgriese@interactive.net> writes:
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> From: sgriese@interactive.net (Stephen Griese)
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> Subject: Movable homes
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to find out what sorts of building systems are out there
> that would allow a house to be built and then dismantled, with the
> goal being to seperate the structure of the house from the real estate
> upon which it is located.  I'm thinking of some sort of "bolt
> together" structure, or one made up of small modules that could be
> "stacked" and then transported and "restacked".
> 
> With peoples' increasing mobility due to economic factors, a market
> may develop for a high quality home that could periodically move with
> its owner.
> 
> I look forward to hearing your ideas on this subject.
> 
> Stephen Griese
> 
> 
Tents !



From bkeir@gil.com.au Sat Jan 27 23:23:17 EST 1996
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From: Barry Keir <bkeir@gil.com.au>
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wmlaven@well.com (William Laven) wrote:
>I'm doing a renovation of a 1950's wood frame house; limited $ keeps me
>from starting over so right now I'm dealing with standard roof rafters and
>wall studs and it will stay that way. Does anyone know of an
>ecologically-friendly insulation material to use in lieu of fiberglass or
>styrofam-like products?

In Australia, one method is Recycled newspapers (Cellulose), which is simply broken 
and fluffed up, treated with an anti-pest, flame-proof mixture of 
chemicals(primarily low-tech, low toxicity borax). It is "blown" in.
 
Good luck



From woodlab@u.washington.edu Sat Jan 27 23:23:18 EST 1996
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From: Steve Shook <woodlab@u.washington.edu>
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The following WWW site contains over 500 links to wood products related 
WWW sites:

http://weber.u.washington.edu/~esw/fpm.htm

The site includes links to builders, manufactured housing, window and 
door manufacturers, flooring manufacturers, structural wood product 
manufacturers, industry associations, and academic/research 
institutions.


From sdavis@onthenet.com.au Sat Jan 27 23:23:19 EST 1996
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From: Steve Davis <sdavis@onthenet.com.au>
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I've upgraded the computer and now added some graphics to my Rammed Earth 
page at http://onthenet.com.au/~sdavis/rammed.htm  I would like to hear 
any coments.

Thanks

Steve



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From stevend280@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:19 EST 1996
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From: stevend280@aol.com (StevenD280)
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Subject: Re: Movable homes
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In article <4e2psq$1cf@ruby.interactive.net>, sgriese@interactive.net
(Stephen Griese) writes:

>With peoples' increasing mobility due to economic factors, a market
>may develop for a high quality home that could periodically move with
>its owner.

It already exists......  It is called a "mobile home."

Steve

StevenD280@aol.com


From jasgol2000@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:20 EST 1996
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From: jasgol2000@aol.com (JasGol2000)
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Subject: Re  Theory Newsgroup?
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Sounds good to me too, in theory.  But how do we put it into practice? 
Oops, I'm getting started already.  Keep me posted on the progress of
alt.architecture.theory.

Jason Gold


From jasgol2000@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:21 EST 1996
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Stephen--

I remember as a child being taken to see a factory somewhere near
Wilkes-Barre, PA where such bolt-together homes were produced.  Little did
I know at that point that I would end up an architect.

In any case, the company was Wickes Lumber.  The houses were manufactured
as two or more mobile-home sized units that were loaded onto flatbed and
shipped to wherever.  The houses were very ordinary (traditional/suburban)
in external appearance, and I have no idea of how they were organized
internally.  My guess, however, is that once these homes were placed on
foundations, they were never moved.

I wonder, in any case:  why would anyone want to move their house?  What
if you're moving to a different climate or terrain?  When relocating, at
least to cities or suburbs, wouldn't it be easier to find land with a
house already on it than vacant land?  Or would these become glorified,
upscale mobile homes, sequestered in "parks" that provide "ready-to-build"
parcels, utilities and neighbors in place, for already-built houses?  You
never know.

Good luck in any case.

--Jason Gold

  


From pookie@vnet.ibm.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:22 EST 1996
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> I am looking for information on "alternative" architecture
> processes such as polyurethane construction and/or sprayed
> concrete.  Could somebody point me in the right direction
> for recent work in this area for small scale building?
>
> John Bozeman

Try 3D Insteel out of Sydney, Georgia.  It's a steel wire-truss system through
a core of polystyrene (2.5" or 4") that takes 1-2" of shotcrete on both sides.
If you want you can just texture the shotcrete as desired after spraying and
leave it as is.  This system and others are detailed in the Portland Cement
Association's Guide to Concrete Building Systems.  There is also some int'l
corporation that has been manufacturing a similar system for over a decade.
These make for incredibly strong structures.

Eric Brown



From dlinsalata@mail1.aecnet.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:23 EST 1996
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PRESS INFORMATION

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AECNET ADDS INDUSTRY EXPERTS TO TEAM OF WEB SITE COLUMNISTS

January 12, 1996 - Northport, NY - AECNET - the Electronic Resource
Network of Architecture, Engineering and Construction - today announced
the addition of several A/E/C industry experts to its team of web site
contributors.  These contributors will provide monthly columns covering
industry topics, which will appear on the AECNET World Wide Web site at
http://www.aecnet.com

Joining the AECNET team of web columnists are:

Paul Doherty, AIA  (pdoherty@pipeline.com) - Paul will present a monthly
column entitled "Digerati - A Report from the Information Revolution in
the Design Industry".  Paul is a partner in the Long Island firm of
Boccard Suddell Doherty and has been featured in several industry journals
and at several worldwide conferences as an innovator in the field of
information technology for the design professional.

Joseph Vance, AIA (joevance@aol.com) - Leader of the Macintosh Users Group
of the New York City Chapter of the AIA, Joe Vance will provide a monthly
"Macintosh Corner" column on the AECNET web site.  Covering the use of the
Macintosh as a tool in the design office, "Macintosh Corner" will include
discussion of current topics and links to archives of Joe's past work as a
practicing architect and Macintosh consultant.

Jay Shilstone (jay.shilstone@shilstone.com)- Principal in The Shilstone
Companies and an acknowledged expert in the field of concrete science and
technology, Jay will provide a monthly "Concrete Comments" column to
AECNET covering innovative uses of concrete in construction.

Charles Haber (c_haber@panix.com) - A partner in the New York City
consulting firm Archidata, and a member of CADVANSYS New York, Charles
will administer the "Maximum CAD" column on AECNET, covering  issues
concerning the maximizing of your CAD investment from both a hardware and
personnel point of view.

"We are thrilled to add these fine individuals to our team of content
providers," said AECNET founder and CEO Drew Linsalata.  "This represents
a great deal of progress toward reaching our goal of providing current and
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Individuals interested in becoming AECNET contributors should contact
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From dlinsalata@mail1.aecnet.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:24 EST 1996
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From: dlinsalata@mail1.aecnet.com (Drew Linsalata)
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AECNET ADDS OVER SIX THOUSAND BUILDING PRODUCT VENDORS TO INDUSTRY WEB SITE

January 12, 1996 - Northport, NY - AECNET - The Electronic Resource
Network of Architecture, Engineering and Construction today announced that
it has added a database of over six thousand building product
manufacturers to its industry World Wide Web site at http://www.aecnet.com

The database of manufacturers is organized using the Masterformat system
>from  the Construction Specifications Institute and allows architects,
consulting engineers, and commercial construction professionals to locate
industry vendors with just a few clicks of a mouse.

AECNET plans to enhance this feature in the near future by adding a
keyword search tool to the site, allowing visitors to search for product
information by CSI division number, keyword, or manufacturer's name.  In
addition, the company announced plans to allow industry vendors to enhance
their presence on the Internet by linking existing web sites to the AECNET
database or establishing interactive web sites on the AECNET network.

"AECNET is beginning to look more and more like a magazine or cable
television network," said Drew Linsalata, AECNET founder and CEO.  "It is
our job to provide the on-line organization and framework  for information
providers to operate within.  Manufacturers of building products are no
exception."

The AECNET web site is now visited by over 6000 industry professionals
every month, with over 70,000 files transmitted in each 30 day period. 
Industry vendors seeking representation on the service should contact Bob
McAlpine at AECNET at 1-800-9AECNET.

AECNET provides World Wide Web services, Internet access packages, and
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design and construction industry.  AECNET can be reached using any of the
following methods:

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From tasman@acsu.buffalo.edu Sat Jan 27 23:23:25 EST 1996
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Ostap Rudakevych (or05+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:


> how would one go about/or what sort of questions would one ask, 
> if one were an architect in an urban setting analyzing a site?

What sort of project would be placed on the site?  
Are you looking at just design issues, or legal and economic 
justifibality as well?

-- 
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PRESS INFORMATION

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AECNET ADDS INDUSTRY EXPERTS TO TEAM OF WEB SITE COLUMNISTS

January 12, 1996 - Northport, NY - AECNET - the Electronic Resource
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contributors.  These contributors will provide monthly columns covering
industry topics, which will appear on the AECNET World Wide Web site at
http://www.aecnet.com

Joining the AECNET team of web columnists are:

Paul Doherty, AIA  (pdoherty@pipeline.com) - Paul will present a monthly
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the Design Industry".  Paul is a partner in the Long Island firm of
Boccard Suddell Doherty and has been featured in several industry journals
and at several worldwide conferences as an innovator in the field of
information technology for the design professional.

Joseph Vance, AIA (joevance@aol.com) - Leader of the Macintosh Users Group
of the New York City Chapter of the AIA, Joe Vance will provide a monthly
"Macintosh Corner" column on the AECNET web site.  Covering the use of the
Macintosh as a tool in the design office, "Macintosh Corner" will include
discussion of current topics and links to archives of Joe's past work as a
practicing architect and Macintosh consultant.

Jay Shilstone (jay.shilstone@shilstone.com)- Principal in The Shilstone
Companies and an acknowledged expert in the field of concrete science and
technology, Jay will provide a monthly "Concrete Comments" column to
AECNET covering innovative uses of concrete in construction.

Charles Haber (c_haber@panix.com) - A partner in the New York City
consulting firm Archidata, and a member of CADVANSYS New York, Charles
will administer the "Maximum CAD" column on AECNET, covering  issues
concerning the maximizing of your CAD investment from both a hardware and
personnel point of view.

"We are thrilled to add these fine individuals to our team of content
providers," said AECNET founder and CEO Drew Linsalata.  "This represents
a great deal of progress toward reaching our goal of providing current and
useful information to professionals in the design and commercial
construction industry.  We've been looking at AECNET as more of a
"cyberactive" magazine or cable television network.  These folks represent
the first additions to our editorial and programming team".

The company plans to announce the addition of several other prominent
industry experts to the editorial team in the very near future covering
such topics as design office technology, marketing design services, and
managing the small firm or solo practice.

Individuals interested in becoming AECNET contributors should contact
Patti McAlpine at AECNET at 1-800-9AECNET.

AECNET provides World Wide Web services, Internet access packages, and
Internet based Bulletin Board Services for professionals in architecture,
engineering and commercial construction industry.  AECNET can be reached
using any of the following methods:

Telephone: 1-800-9AECNET
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E-mail: info@aecnet.com


From yoresoft@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:27 EST 1996
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From: yoresoft@aol.com (YORESOFT)
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Subject: Re: Movable homes
Date: 25 Jan 1996 13:36:22 -0500
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Actually, these are called modular prefabricated homes.  They usually cost
50% more per sq. foot than a mobile home.  They are not however; made to
be moved after they have been installed.

There are many mfg. of these homes.

Rick


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For sale: A ‘Seagull’ chair and ottoman designed by Berg & Ericsson,
upholstered in red hopsak. It was only produced for three years
between 1968 and 1971 by Fritz Hansen. This chair was first exhibited
at the Danish Furniture Fair in 1968.
 
The chair has a period feel with a  scuptural form resembling
something out of Star Trek.

A black & white Jpeg picture of this chair & otoman is available on
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graham@mancha.demon.co.uk



From bfurman@nmt.edu Sat Jan 27 23:23:29 EST 1996
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From: bfurman@nmt.edu (Ben Furman)
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In article <4e7bcn$os3@earth.superlink.net>, Rob-L <rob-l@superlink.net> wrote:
>I've often thought that a plastic standing-seam roof would be a good 
>product to have.  White polypropylene or something, perhaps crosslinked, 
>available in LONG sheets that have interlocking sides.
>
>Wouldn't that be just as durable as a metal roof, if not more so, and 
>cost a lot less?  Sure would be less wettable, and snow wouldn't stay on it.
>

Indeed, it would be less wettable.  Good idea.  However, UV radiation would
probably destroy it in less than ten years.  Not so good.  What's wrong with
aluminum?  It can be artificially oxidized to make it white.

>Where's GE Plastics when you need them?
>

Busy as usual, coming up with the best solutions they can, I'm sure. :-)


Ben Furman
bfurman@mailhost.nmt.edu



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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960123001234.6656A-100000@garcia.efn.org>, 
kging@efn.org says...
>
>
>Second part of this post is about the passage of a resolution by the 
>American Farm Bureau Federation, largest farm org in U.S. - 4.6 million 
>people - calling for research that could lead to the reintroduction of 
>hemp into the American farm economy.

[100 lines of moonbeam nonsense omitted]

Why d'ye think they call it 'dope'?



From ws@mindspring.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:31 EST 1996
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From: Ward Smith <ws@mindspring.com>
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Maybe someone here can answer some of these questions.

I just finished The Straw-Bale House.  Amazing book, and they make 
reference to several things that People might know more about.

1:  It was stated that in some areas where straw may not be readily 
available, other materials could be used.  Among those mentioned is 
Recycled materials (newspaper, etc.).  Does anyone reading this have 
experience with Recycled Newspaper-Bale construction?

2:  Pine straw is abundant here in the south, but is it really 
flammable?  Would the same fire retarding features exhibited in 
general straw-clay construction reduce the flammability of a 
pinestraw&clay form?  I'm going to do a few tests, but someone may 
have already tried this.

3:  Several mentions were made of Nader Khalili's recent work, using 
sandbags filled with wet dirt, formed into vaults and domes, and 
left to dry then plastered.  I don't see it documented heavily in 
his book "Ceramic Houses" or "Racing Alone" and I wonder if there is 
some other publication or newsletter that goes more into detail.

Well, if you can answer 1 out of three, I'll be happy.  TIA.Stephen 
Griese wrote:



From herballyyrs@designlink.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:32 EST 1996
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I have TurboCad for the Mac and would not recommend it. It is the only
unfriendly software I have ever purchased, and I own enough stuff to stock a
computer store. 


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Does 'humanities.design.misc' sound like the thing you're looking for?
FRITZ JOHNSON


From coristew@uoguelph.ca Sat Jan 27 23:23:34 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: insulation alternatives?
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Barry Keir (bkeir@gil.com.au) wrote:
: wmlaven@well.com (William Laven) wrote:
: >I'm doing a renovation of a 1950's wood frame house; limited $ keeps me
: >from starting over so right now I'm dealing with standard roof rafters and
: >wall studs and it will stay that way. Does anyone know of an
: >ecologically-friendly insulation material to use in lieu of fiberglass or
: >styrofam-like products?

I've heard popcorn works well as a low tech solution ... anyone else?  
Although some treatment might be needed if at all possible for fireproofing.

-T. Shawn Johnson
(using Cori's account)


From coristew@uoguelph.ca Sat Jan 27 23:23:35 EST 1996
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From: coristew@uoguelph.ca (Cori Stewart)
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Subject: ONTARIO building code questions
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I tried to peruse the Ontario Building Code ... even through some of the 
guides that are available, and still I am having GREAT difficulty finding 
quick answers to a few simple questions.  Here's the main question I 
have, for anyone out there who is familiar with the Ontario Building Code.

-> For a house built for only one person in mind, what is the smallest it is 
allowed to be?

I've read an article about something called micro-housing ... it was a 
house built 8'X12'.  There was a portion of the article dealing with 
'laws', and for where the author lived (somewhere in California), a house 
had to be at least 640 square feet, unless at least one person living in 
the dwelling was over 60 years of age (there is some law there allowing 
smaller accomodations for seniors on low incomes).

This is the only indication I have, and reading the Ontario Building Code 
was indeed a nightmare ... I found a lot about the maximum sizes for 
barn, pools, arenas and such, and i saw minimums for room and ceiling 
sizes, but nothing about the entire area of a dwelling.

Please help if you can.  I would also appreciate it if anyone can point 
me to any comprehensive books, pamphlets, guides, etc that would help me 
with simple questions lacking lawyer jargon.

Take care.

-T. Shawn Johnson
(currently using Cori's account)


From bis@rah.vcsn.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:36 EST 1996
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Has anyone ever heard of constructing a Geodome inflating some kind of
balloon as the skeleton and then covering it with concrete as the
shell.

If so, anyone have any ideas where I can obtain such a balloon?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks

Brett




From gdcinc@eworld.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:36 EST 1996
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I am a small general contractor/builder on Long Island.  I use a program
called FastTrack schedule.  It is perfect!  It is easy to use and
completely customizeable.  The first time I installed it I created a
schedule in 5 minutes.  It has made my jobs simplistic in regards to the
schedule.


From richard@rt66.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:37 EST 1996
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From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin)
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In article <DLprIC.7sC@gil.com.au>, Barry Keir <bkeir@gil.com.au> wrote:

>wmlaven@well.com (William Laven) wrote:
>>I'm doing a renovation of a 1950's wood frame house; limited $ keeps me
>>from starting over so right now I'm dealing with standard roof rafters and
>>wall studs and it will stay that way. Does anyone know of an
>>ecologically-friendly insulation material to use in lieu of fiberglass or
>>styrofam-like products?
>
>In Australia, one method is Recycled newspapers (Cellulose), which is
simply broken 
>and fluffed up, treated with an anti-pest, flame-proof mixture of 
>chemicals(primarily low-tech, low toxicity borax). It is "blown" in.
> 
>Good luck

Yes, cellulose insulation which is usually mixed with borax or similar
product for pest exclusion and fire retardant.

In Germany, straw is mixed with a clay slurry coating is used as an
insulation by packing into the wall cavity. It is know to have lasted 700
years. Must be fireproofed by coating with plaster. See our site for more
info.

-- 
  Richard Austin -- richard@rt66.com
   Institute for Planetary Renewal
    http://www.rt66.com/~richard/


From lilap@asiaonline.net Sat Jan 27 23:23:38 EST 1996
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From: lilap@asiaonline.net (Li Shun Lap)
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Subject: Energy Control of Building
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Summary: 
Keywords: 

Hellow all,

I am required to do a little project about the building energy control by 
the application of :
1  OTTV
2. U-Value Limit
3 Energy Budget Crtertia

I want to ask the following question :

1 How many state in USA use OTTV, U-Value Limit & Energy Budget Crtertia?
2 What other country using these three technique and why?

Thaks for a lot,

Lap



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What is your asking price?



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What is the asking price? 
>




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what is the asking price?



From bruno@gnn.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:42 EST 1996
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what is the asking price?



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what is the asking price?



From resnikc@mci.newscorp.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:44 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Planetary Re-Education: HEMP SAVES WORLD
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There will be lots of a certain byproduct around if more hemp is grown. 
There is already a lot of cereal fibre around that could be pulped after 
the wheat straw, ect is harvested. Lets use that up first.
Caroline



From richard@rt66.com Sat Jan 27 23:23:44 EST 1996
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From: richard@rt66.com (Richard Austin)
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In article <utilfree-2201962028250001@rofpop2.infosphere.com>,
utilfree@infosphere.com (John) wrote:

>In article <4dn23r$q8f@daily-planet.execpc.com>, wez2@earth.execpc.com
>(Walter Zimmerman) wrote:
>
>> I'd like to build a unique structure to take advantage of the features of 
>> my parcel and its remote location. 
>
>I see you are building at a remote location. 
>
>Check out our home page:
http://www.infosphere.com/rof/yp/utilfree/utilfree.html
>It is very new so be expecting more additions in the future.
>**********************************
>John D'Angelo 

You may also want to check out our site for more ideas.

-- 
  Richard Austin -- richard@rt66.com
   Institute for Planetary Renewal
    http://www.rt66.com/~richard/


From zack@epix.net Sat Jan 27 23:23:45 EST 1996
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Subject: looking for radius brick
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I am looking for a source of radius brick in the NY NJ Conn, Mass area.
they can be concrete brick, they do not need to be clay.  Anyone who
knows where they can be found please respond.  Thanks


From DanielF@Crocker.COM Mon Jan 29 11:04:13 EST 1996
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Just saw your search for an alternative to fiberglass.  Have some info 
in my office, but am not there now.  I am an architect specializing in 
ecologically friendly, healthful homes and communities.  Call me at 
413-253-4090, or e-mail me at Marykraus@aol.com.  -Mary Kraus, Architect




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From: sysop@chatbbs.equinox.net (sysop)
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Subject: BUILDING CODES DATABASE
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PRESS INFORMATION

Contact: Drew Linsalata
(516)754-3020

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

AECNET ADDS COMPLETE BUILDING CODE DIRECTORY TO INDUSTRY WEB SITE

January 12, 1996 - Northport, NY - AECNET - the Electronic Resource
Network of Architecture, Engineering and Construction - today announced
the addition of a comprehensive building code directory to its industry
web site at http://www.aecnet.com  .

The code directory includes contact information for every code and
regulatory agency in every state in the US, and will include synopses of
the code and regulatory structure for each state as well.

References and web links to code-writing bodies such as BOCA, ICBO, SBCCI
and CABO are in progress, and will be added to the site very shortly, as
will interactive web based message boards for use in discussing and
interpreting these codes.

The site has also been enhanced by the addition of the full text of the
New York State Uniform Building Code, the New York State Energy
Conservation Code for Construction, and the complete Americans With
Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines, complete with illustrations.

AECNET research has shown that building code information is ranked by
industry professionals as a close second to building product information
in terms of usefulness and value.  The addition of this code database to
the AECNET site is a direct response to this situation.

AECNET provides World Wide Web services, Internet access, and an Internet
based bulletin board service for professionals in the architecture,
engineering and commercial construction industry.  AECNET can be reached
using any of the following methods:

Telephone: 1-800-9AECNET
Web:  http://www.aecnet.com
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We will scan your work, photos logos etc, for use on your own computer.
Attach your work to your documents or post online.
You will be able to email photos of your work to clients.
24 bit most formats, sizes yo 11 x 14.
Please email for further info. 



From simwell@frontier.net Mon Jan 29 11:04:19 EST 1996
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From: simwell@frontier.net (stuart Simmons)
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SimWell Productions is announcing its newest homepage on the Internet:

Earthship Landing: A Pictorial History

Come and visit the site if you are interested in this great type of building structures out of tires and cans


Stuart Simmons
Simwell Productions
10 Town Plaza, #226
Durango, CO 81301
1-800-800-7623
Believer in the Win-Win Concept


From inetcon@crocker.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:20 EST 1996
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We are conducting a survey and need your help!

Please respond to 

http://www.inetcon.com/question.html

THANKS very much,

The Internet Connection



From evananda@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:21 EST 1996
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From: evananda@aol.com (EVANANDA)
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Subject: Starting alt.architecture.theory newsgroup
Date: 27 Jan 1996 05:35:12 -0500
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Since there is no place for discussion of architectural theory by
architects, students, and interested laypersons; and since I have been
reading various threads in this newsgroup re: starting
alt.architecture.theory,  I am wondering who else would be interested. 

I  have access to a major edu server, and I will begin official posting of
RFDs (Request For Discussion) in the next week to ten days. 

What I would like some input on is if the group should be moderated or
unmoderated. My own preference is for a moderated group; to keep it on
track. 

I am willing to moderate it for at least the next couple years. If the
group is moderated trash postings will be thrown out, and people asking
about what kind of stain they should use will be politely directed to the
right place. I think that this approach is needed; because if
alt.architecture.theory does attract alot of architects, then the general
population will come in seeking free advice. The purpose here is to
establish a newsgroup for discussion of all serious aspects of
architecture, theory, modernism, post-modernism, post-post-modernism,
urbanism, design, tall buildings, international, etc...

To keep this discussion going, post your messages to this subject. If you
want to help, (there actually has to be a vote to create a newsgroup),
e-mail me.

Evan Rofheart
EVANANDA@aol.com


From tod@umd.umich.edu Mon Jan 29 11:04:22 EST 1996
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From: tod@umd.umich.edu (Tod Kirby Hurlbert)
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Subject: Glass Retaining Wall
Date: 27 Jan 1996 08:52:20 -0500
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I would like to incorporate a laminated glass retaining wall in the 
basement of a building I am designing. Has anyone ever done anything like 
this in the past? If so, how? If not, any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks

tod@tiamat.umd.umich.edu



From hgp@interaccess.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:23 EST 1996
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Hayden Graphic Productions - Chicago
HGP is a full-service multimedia graphics provider located in Chicago! Our
full range of services include slide and desktop presentations, photo
editing, custom illustration, multimedia authoring, quicktime video, html,
graphic conversions and hardware/software troubleshooting. To find out
more visit us at: http://users.aol.com/hgpchicago or e-mail inquiries to
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From groark@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:25 EST 1996
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From: groark@aol.com (G Roark)
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Subject: Re: insulation alternatives?
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hi barry,
look up march 1996 issue of "Fine Homebuilding" by taunton press. 
check out wool insulation. 
good luck 


From savi001@pn.itnet.it Mon Jan 29 11:04:26 EST 1996
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From: savi001@pn.itnet.it (Alex Savioli)
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Subject: VIRTUAL PLANE QUESTIONNAIRE
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		 	 VIP Project

	 	T H E   V I R T U A L   P L A N E 

 	QUESTIONNAIRE FOR ARCHITECTS AND USERS  INVOLVED
	IN ARCHITECTURAL, ENVIRONMENTAL AND URBAN DESIGN

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1.  INTRODUCTION


Savioli firm is involved in a project, called VIP (Virtual Plane), 
supported by the European Commission in the fourth framework 
of ESPRIT. 
In the course of this project an innovative graphical display 
system is developed. The output device is changed to a horizontal,
enlarged desktop version, onto which computer-generated stereoscopic
images are projected. Three-dimensional objects appear to float in
this interactive co-operative workplace. Visual and acoustical
impressions are perceived using shutter-glasses, and an audio stereo
headset. The user interacts with the virtual scenario and
manipulates it in analogy to the real world.
In order to adapt the new technology to the user we currently
identify the architects working process as well as the requirements
of their needs. This questionnaire represents a tool to analyse the
users daily work and their requirements according the environment.
We would appreciate your collaboration in answering the questions as
well as in spreading it among people that you know might be willing
to fill it. We thank you very much in advance for your help.
If you are interested in this new technology it would be a pleasure
to us to keep you posted on the project process and on the specific
results of this survey.



Please, reply your questionnaire to:

ALESSANDRO SAVIOLI
architettura  e  progettazione

P.zza Corvetto, 3 / 4
16122 GENOVA
ITALY

Tel +39 10 543 305
Fax +39 10 562 103
E-mail: savi001@pn.itnet.it

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2.   HARDWARE PLATFORM

This questionnaire addresses architects and architectural firms using
CAD system (and its extensions) for architectural, environmental and
urban design. In succession we list some notes regarding different
hardware platforms used in computer design (minimum configuration).

A. CAD (Computer Aided Design)
System based on workstation type computer, CPU with medium
elaborative capability, (Intel 486 type or higher), 2D or 3D software
(Autocad, Microstation, etc), software for architecture if
required (ArcCAD,etc).

B. Static Simulation (rendering)
System based on workstation type computer, CPU with good elaborative
capability, (Intel Pentium 75 type or higher), 2D or 3D software
(Autocad, Microstation, ecc), software for architecture if
required (ArcCAD,etc), solid modeling software for architecture
(3D Studio, etc), rendering software (3D Studio, Accurender, etc).

C. Dynamic Simulation (movie walkthrough)
System based on workstation type computer, CPU with high elaborative
capability, (Intel Pentium 100 type or higher), video card for
visualisation of static images in sequence, 2D or 3D software
(Autocad, Microstation, ecc), software for architecture if
required (ArcCAD,ecc), solid modeling software for architecture
(3D Studio, etc), movie software for architectural walktrhough
(3D Studio, etc).

D. Virtual Reality
System based on workstation type computer, CPU with very high
elaborative capability, (Intel Pentium 150 type or higher), video
card for real time rendering with textures, 2D or 3D software (Autocad,
Microstation, ecc), software for architecture if required
(ArcCAD,ecc), solid modeling software for architecture
(3D Studio, etc), Virtual Reality software for real time walkthrough
(Sense 8 Worldtoolkit, Sense 8 World Up, etc). Hardware for
stereoscopic viewing: LCD shuttering glasses, Head Mounted Display
with head tracker.

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3.  	QUESTIONNAIRE

3.1.  	General Informations

3.1.1. 	Can you please give us some of your personal informations:

Age: 		from 0 to 18	[  ]
		from 19 to 35	[  ]
		from 36 to 55	[  ]
		from 56 to 75	[  ]

3.1.2.  Profession:


3.1.3.  Your function:


3.1.4.  Please, specify your organisation activity


3.1.5.  How many employees does your organisation count?

1 - 5				[  ]		
6 - 10				[  ]
11 - 20				[  ]
21 - 50				[  ]
More than 50			[  ]


3.1.6.  Which are the proceeds of your organisation? (in US$)

0 - 100.000			[  ]
100.000 - 300.000		[  ]		
300.000 - 500.000		[  ]
500.000 - 1.000.000		[  ]
More than 1.000.000		[  ]



3.2.	Current Working Environment 	

3.2.1.	Where do you carry out your planning of the model?

In your office			[  ]
In your studio			[  ]
Others				....


3.2.2.	Where do you show the model to the client?
(please, sign one or more)

In your office			[  ]
In your studio			[  ]
Others		       		....


3.2.3.	Do you use special technical equipment for planning
your model?

If yes, what kind of?


3.2.4	Which kind of CAD software do you use?

2D				[  ]	
3D				[  ]


3.2.5.	Please, number the voices (1 to 8) relatively to preference
you assign to CAD process:

[  ]  To lower the working times
[  ]  To improve the design quality
[  ]  To project aesthetical solutions
[  ]  To improve comprehensiblity of the project
[  ]  To verify structural behaviour with simulations
[  ]  Cause its flexibility
[  ]  For the iteration in reaching the final project solution
[  ]  Others, which:


3.2.6.	Which kind of representation do you use for showing the model?
(please, sign one or more)

Classical drawing representation (3D perspectives or 2D views) 	[  ]
Static simulation (rendering)					[  ]
Dynamic simulation (movie walkthrough)				[  ]
Virtual Reality							[  ]


3.2.7	How do you show the model to the client?
(please, sign one or more)

2D views			[  ]
3D views			[  ]
Photomontages			[  ]
Renderings of the project	[  ]
Movie walkthrough		[  ]
Virtual Reality presentation	[  ]
Others				....



3.3.	Possible Improvements

3.3.1.	What do you think about the help of interactive planning
of a model and the consequences concerning the improvement of
your activity?



3.3.2.	What do you think about modifying the project features
regarding colours, materials and functionality, directly manipulating
the 3D model with the mouse or another pointing device while
observating the project?

Very helpful			[  ]
Helpful				[  ]
Not important			[  ]
A little helpful		[  ]
Useless				[  ]


3.3.3.	Do you think a 3-dimensional stereoscopic representation
of the model including the representation of materials and colours
would be useful for planning a model and would improve the results?



3.3.4.	How do you think about co-opertive work with other architects
located in a different office, but seeing the same model on a
separate output device?


3.3.5.	Are you willing to use shutter-glasses and/or a dataglove?


3.3.6.	Which are your prerequisites to use a new technology
(size, performance, input device, costs, etc.)?




3.4.	Output Device

3.4.1.	What is your opinion about working at a horizontal workplace
instead of a vertical workplace (e.g. monitor)?


3.4.2.	Do you think it would be helpful to use a workstation
equipped with a special output device as described in the
introduction?

Very helpful			[  ]
Helpful				[  ]
Not important			[  ]
A little helpful		[  ]
Useless				[  ]


3.4.3.	What would you like to project onto a horizontal output
device? Please list your ideas:


3.4.4.	Which scaling would you prefer for the 3-dimensional
representation of your model?

1 : 1 (original size)		[  ]
2 : 1 (double size)		[  ]
1 : 2 (half size)		[  ]
Others				....


3.4.5.	If this hardware device would exist, which graphic resolution
do you think is needed? (in pixels)

640 x 480			[  ]
800 x 600			[  ]
1024 x 768			[  ]
1280 x 1024			[  ]
More than 1280 x 1024		[  ]


3.4.6.	Which size of a representation area would be appropriate
in your opinion if you could see your model 3-dimensional and by
any angle?

40 x 15 cm			[  ]
40 x 40 cm 			[  ]
80 x 80 cm 			[  ]
Others				....



3.5.	Financial Questions

3.5.1.	If this hardware device would exist, how much would you spend
for its hardware and its software related applications? (in US$)

1.000 - 5.000			[  ]
5.000 - 10.000			[  ]
10.000 - 20.000			[  ]
20.000 - 50.000			[  ]
50.000 - 100.000		[  ]
More than 100.000		[  ]


3.5.2.	Which investment per year made your organisation for CAD
hardware and software related products at the present time? (in US$)

0 - 10.000			[  ]
10.000 - 50.000			[  ]
50.000 - 100.000		[  ]
More than 100.000		[  ]


3.5.3.	Where do you think your organisation would make an investment
in the future?

2D CAD				[  ]
3D CAD				[  ]
Rendering			[  ]
Movie walkthrough		[  ]
Virtual Reality			[  ]
Others				....


3.5.4.	Do you have further comments, questions or ideas?



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Thank you very much for your help. If you have any questions, please
feel free to contact me:

ALESSANDRO SAVIOLI
architettura  e  progettazione

P.zza Corvetto, 3 / 4
16122 GENOVA
ITALY

Tel +39 10 543 305
Fax +39 10 562 103
E-mail: savi001@pn.itnet.it




THE VIP Project PARTNERS:

Artificial Intelligent Software S.p.A. (project coordinator)
Via Esterle, 9
20132  MILANO
ITALY

Tel +39.2.280.141
Fax +39.2.2610.853

Technical contact: Luciano Marenzi
E-mail: lucianom@ais.it



BARCO N.V., BARCO PROJECTION SYSTEM
Pres.Kennedy Park, 35
8500 KORTRIJK
BELGIUM

Tel +32.56.238.611
Fax +32.56.260.418

Technical contact: Camiel Derycke
E-mail: cd@barco.be



ALESSANDRO SAVIOLI
architettura  e  progettazione

P.zza Corvetto, 3 / 4
16122 GENOVA
ITALY

Tel +39 10 543 305
Fax +39 10 562 103

Technical contact: Alessandro Savioli
E-mail: savi001@pn.itnet.it



ART & MAGIC
Voie de Liege, 2
4053  EMBOURG
BELGIUM

Tel +32.41.677.677
Fax +32.41.669.913

Tecnical contact: Christian Duttileux
E-mail: deltatec@mail.interpac.be



UDAC
Polacksbacken, Hus 3
UPPSALA
SWEDEN

Tel +46.18.187.700
Fax +46.18.516.600

Technical contact: Jerry Petterson
E-mail: jerry.petterson@udac.se



COMPUTER GRAPHICS CENTER (ZGDV)
Wilhelminenstrasse, 7
64283  DAIMSTADT
GERMANY

Tel +49.6151.155.232
Fax +49.6151.155.480
Technical contact: Heike Kuhner
E-mail: kuehner@zgdv.de



UPPSALA PROSTHODONTIC CLINIC
Slottgrand, 2C
S-751 25  UPPSALA
SWEDEN

Tel +46.18.176.380
Fax +46.18.692.947

Technical contact: Stefan Seipel
E-mail: stefan.seipel@cmd.uu.se





			- End of the document - 


From uzs3fe@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Mon Jan 29 11:04:27 EST 1996
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From: uzs3fe@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (Arne Buchholz)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Geodetic Dome Houses
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:00:24 GMT
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The reason for this post is a little problem I have on getting information
 regarding GEODETIC DOME HOUSES, meaning construction, plans, information, 
 ANYTHING regarding thistype of building/architecture.
 All I know is that a company by the name of American Ingenuity, Inc.
 exists in Melbourne, Florida, which supposedly sells them or the plans for
 building your own.If anyone knows more about this company, or geodetic
 dome-houses in general, please mailme at the adress mentioned below. 
 I am really thankful for anything you can find!


Arne Buchholz (uzs3fe@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de)____o00________00o_____
                                               | |  ____  | |
                                                 |_/ 0o \_| |  
                                                    vvvv

ERROR.
REALITY.SYS CORRUPT.  REBOOT UNIVERSE (Y/N/Q)?



From feilingw@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:28 EST 1996
Article: 5966 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: feilingw@aol.com (FeilingW)
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Subject: Structural engineering info in Boston area
Date: 27 Jan 1996 22:51:04 -0500
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I have been looking for information in regard to structural engineering/
consulting firms in Boston area and their positions announcements. 
Are there any sources of my interest on the net? Any clue will be 
greatly apprieciated. 


From kging@efn.org Mon Jan 29 11:04:29 EST 1996
Article: 5967 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Kathy Ging <kging@efn.org>
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Subject: Recycled tire roof shingles
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 00:03:53 -0800
Organization: Oregon Public Networking
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Aurora Prine from Treadmill, Williams, OR, uses a chop saw -
5 hp to cut up recycled tires to make roof materials. I heard
her speak in Eugene at the NW Eco-Building Guild and she and
her sister and mother have started this business. I do not
know whether at this time they can be used on house roofs
or just outbuildings.  They meet fire code A. They don*t use
bias tires at all on roof.
 



From envisionacd@eworld.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:30 EST 1996
Article: 5968 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: envisionacd@eworld.com (ENVISION ACD)
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Subject: Sheltered homes
Date: 27 Jan 1996 22:25:31 -0800
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I am looking for information about building an earth bermed or earth
sheltered home.  Something that can withstand earthquakes, tornadoes,
fire, etc.


From jmorse1@rs4.tcs.tulane.edu Mon Jan 29 11:04:31 EST 1996
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From: jmorse1@rs4.tcs.tulane.edu (John G Morse)
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howarth (gsd96fh3@gsd.harvard.edu) wrote:
: Harvard Graduate School of Design
: Top Ten Rejected Studio Option Course Offerings Sp. ‘96


: 10.  Post-commodity Media-iteration of Papa Smurf’s House
: Instructor: M. Brady

: 9. “Learning from Loker Common:” Hot Liquids and Marginal Employment in the   Post-Modern Cathedral - Survival of the Richest.
: Instructor: Java the Hut

: 8.  Fire and Ice - A Diectic structure: Snow-person in a blast furnace.
: Instructor: K. Kringle

: 7.  Senator J. McCarthy Memorial Library: A place to read and be red.
: Instructor: D. Kwhale

: 6.  Transparency: Phenomenal, not Literal.
: Instructor: Mr. Clean

: 5.  Delirious New Jersey: Learning from Chuckletown, USA. (“What exit are you off at?”)
: Instructor: S. (WalMart) Walton

: 4.  A Machine in the Garden for the Noble Savage: A Honolulu Villa for Don Ho.
: Instructor: J. Lord and T. Selleck

: 3. CyberHerme(Phat)Trans-Locutors: A Paperless but Grease-Filled studio exploring   Legal issues emerging from the Tasty Diner.
: Instructor: J. Child and A. Dershowitz

: * cross-listed as FAS Food and Beverage 106 / HLS Constitutional Law ProSeminar 906.

: 2.  Hugging Trees: Why is the Grass always Green?
: Instructor: Lorne Greene.

: 1.  A Space for Dialogue: Interstellar Conflict and Zoning Ordinances in NASA’s 1997 Space Station “Friendship.”
: Instructor: D. Vader.


sounds familiar to me. Please accept these humble addenda...

11. New Approaches to Housing the Underprivileged; or "Brother, Can You 
S(paradigm)?"
Instructor: M. Streets, co-taught by D. Reddy


12. A Pattern Lingo: Postmodern Jargon in the Built Environment
Instructor: P.E. Alexander

13. Emerald Cities: A Course of a Different Color
Instructor: G. & P. Oz

14. Bo's Arts: A Multi-sport Stadium with a (hip) prosThesis.
Instructor: Dr. L. Lemak

15. Utopiary: The Ideal Suburban Landscape
Instructor: E. Scissorhands

-John Morse, Tulane School of Architecture



From cjwright@ix.netcom.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:31 EST 1996
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From: cjwright@ix.netcom.com(Jody M. Wright )
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Hi,
I need advice from architects who might be able to assist me with
marketing.  I own a business that specializes in custom designed
stained glass, paintings on shaped canvases & painted ceiling tondos,
fused tiles and custom art furniture.

No, this isn't an advertisement.  I really just want to know if when I
send a full color brochure (which of course is expensive) if I'm
hitting a market that would be interested?  Are there very many
architects out there that design like Frank Lloyd Wright did from the
initial building design to the art?

Am I barking up the wrong tree with architects?  I purchased the AIA's
Directory and targeted my mailings.  I'm afraid that my material
doesn't get too much past the mail "in-box."

Now, if you were marketing what I am offering, are architects the right
audience?  I have completed numerous commissions with the residential
market and my partner & I make our SOLE LIVING FROM OUR ART (and have
for the past 7 years).  But, as you have in common with us, we'd like
to expand.

What have we tried?  Trade shows (very costly, little return), craft
shows (production- not what we do), mailings (great for direct
residential sales).

Architectural magazines are way out of our league.  (One industry
standard charges $8,600 for a one time full page insert.  Their
smallest ad is $2,570).

Your advice is sincerely appreciated.  Please send your comments to our
e-mail address: cjwright@ix.netcom.com

Jody Wright, co-owner
Wright's Stained Glass & Custom Art
330 Winchester Ave.
Martinsburg, WV  25401
  


From gatensby@cyberstore.ca Mon Jan 29 11:04:32 EST 1996
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From: gatensby@cyberstore.ca (Maura Gatensby)
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coristew@uoguelph.ca (Cori Stewart) wrote:

>- What is the smallest dwelling (building with an occupancy of 1 person) 
>that is lawful to build?

Section 3.6 and 9.5  (National Building Code of Canada) give minimum room
dimensions, but there is no requirement that you have a minimum number of rooms.

>- Simply, what are the minimum requirements for water service.  For 
>example ... must there be a flush toilet? or could i get away with a 
>composting toilet in the City?  Must there be water fed in, or could I 
>use a cistern or other water holder to pump or feed my home with water 
>through gravity?

It is not clear in the building code, you have to check with the municipality.
This is covered in the Plumbing Code anyway.

>- What are the minimum requirements for electricity? Must I use the grid 
>within the City or can i use some alternatives like Solar ... or the 
>alternative of no electricity?

The building code does not force you have electricity. The Canadian Electrical
Code forces you to install it safely if you do have it.

>- What are the minimum requirements for heating?  Could I use a Certified 
>Wood Stove as my principle/only heating system?

Probably.

>Thankyou for your help if you can give it ... The first question is the 
>most important to me.






From 74514.2356@CompuServe.COM Mon Jan 29 11:04:33 EST 1996
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From: Geoffrey H. Goldberg <74514.2356@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Re: Geodetic Dome Houses
Date: 28 Jan 1996 23:23:06 GMT
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>...a little problem I have on getting information regarding 
GEODETIC (sic) DOME HOUSES, meaning construction, plans, 
information, ANYTHING regarding thistype of 
building/architecture.< 

Try to find:  The Dome Builders Handbook, John Prenis (ed.), 
Running Press, Philadelphia, 1973.

Very interesting book (although a little hippyesque).  
(FWIW, I would'nt recommend building a dome house, but to each his 
own)

-- 
Geoffrey H. Goldberg
1B Meadow Oak Lane
South Deerfield MA 01373
413.665.8977


From barkingm@iafrica.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:34 EST 1996
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From: Andrew illingworth <barkingm@iafrica.com>
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Looking for employment opportunities in Architecture & Multimedia.

As an Architect with over ten years of experience in CAD, 3d 
Modelling,  Rendering, and Interactive Multimedia production, I am 
looking to exploit these skills on the Net.  I am interested in 
hearing from any organisation or individual who could be interested 
in utilizing such services in an on line capacity.  Furthermore I 
would also interested in learning about the experiences that others 
might have had, either as employer or employee in this context.

My resources include 68k Macs(Quadra), a Mac 8500, and Pentiums, 
proficiently running the following software AutoCad, MiniCad, 
ArchiCAD, MacroMind 3d, Strata Studio Pro and Blitz, 3d Studio, 
PhotoShop, Painter, Freehand, Authorware, Director, Sound Edit, 
Poser, Avid VideoShop and soon to include MacroMind Extreme 3d.


From coristew@uoguelph.ca Mon Jan 29 11:04:35 EST 1996
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From: coristew@uoguelph.ca (Cori Stewart)
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I posted an earlier message about the Ontario Building Code, but I guess 
there arent enough Canadians familiar with it, on this newsgroup to get a 
prompt reply.  Sooo, I'm just putting out a general message about North 
American Building Codes:

For the Building Code that you are familiar with:

- What is the smallest dwelling (building with an occupancy of 1 person) 
that is lawful to build?

- Simply, what are the minimum requirements for water service.  For 
example ... must there be a flush toilet? or could i get away with a 
composting toilet in the City?  Must there be water fed in, or could I 
use a cistern or other water holder to pump or feed my home with water 
through gravity?

- What are the minimum requirements for electricity? Must I use the grid 
within the City or can i use some alternatives like Solar ... or the 
alternative of no electricity?

- What are the minimum requirements for heating?  Could I use a Certified 
Wood Stove as my principle/only heating system?

Thankyou for your help if you can give it ... The first question is the 
most important to me.

-T. Shawn Johnson
(using Cori's account)


From evananda@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:23:06 EST 1996
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Starting alt.architecture.theory. The first step will be to post an RFD
(Request For Discussion), then a CFV (Call For Votes). I'll keep you
posted.

Evan Rofheart
EVANANDA@aol.com


From 104217.2702@CompuServe.COM Sat Mar 16 11:07:13 EST 1996
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I recently read a website for a new organization named the Academy 
of Architecture Arts and Sciences. It looks interesting for 
architects, builders, designers, etc. Achievement Awards, to be 
nominated and decided by ones peers, and a design competition 
called Banana are on the agenda.

http://www.frank.org


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From: "Ellen M. Worlund-Voorhaar" <worlu001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
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We are fans of contemporary architecture, and are particularly fond of Frank
Gehry's work (though he would be WAY to pricey for us). We are interested 
in working with someone who has an aesthetic vision and doesn't just do 
cliched suburban monstrosities. A limiting factor is that economically we
are very middle-middle class. Are there any good data bases where we can 
see the work of various people? I would think that the WEB would be a 
perfect venue for this sort of thing. We've gotten info from the local
AIA, but withoutany pictures, it's hard to tell what thier work is like.
I do get the distinct impression that most of them do very conventional
work. Any help would be appreciated
Rich Voorhaar



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In article <4hi2h5$hl5@orion.cybercom.net>, deslab@cybecom.net (deslab) says:
>
>We are a small firm that is just starting up and we are having the
>worst time finding out a name for ourselves.  We do architecture,
>industrial design, web sites, and graphic design.  All of us are
>licensed architects with a great interest in technology (a la Norman
>Foster, Renzo Piano, Glen Murcutt, CAD/CAM, etc) and designing that
>are both high-tech and low-tech.  Please help us! You can send
>suggestions by emailing us.  So far the leading name is "Designs That
>Don't Suck" so we obviously need help
>
How about "If we can't name our firm how could we possibly 
design your building?  Please call someone else".

If you design ala Glenn Murcutt, et al, then there really
should be no probelm naming your firm.  If you understand
his work and apply the same attitude to your designs then 
a name for your firm probably would not include the word "suck".

At least find a name that tricks people into thinking you are serious
about what you do.  

Disappointed,

fulltilt



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Assuming your good and you are goimg to grow-professionally as well as
personally-avoid being "cute" or conventianaly trendy. If you realy think
your good why wouldn't you just use your names?
Bill H.


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From: duckchow@ix.netcom.com (M J Epko)
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davetri@aol.com (DaveTri) wrote:

>I just starting to learn about (and fall in love with) straw bale
>construction and would like any info or suggestions.
>I have been reading, but would like any personal observations from people
>who may have built with straw bales.
>I am currently in the New England area and am very concerned with mositure
>and protecting the integrity of the straw bale in a snowy, damp
>enviroment. Most of the building I have read about are in Nebraska, New
>Mexico, and Arizona.
>Thanks for any help!

	Search phrase "straw bale" with just about any search engine.
WebCrawler, supplied with your AOL account, will work just dandy.
Several sites specific to sb construction are out there ... see
especially the strawbale mailing list archives for outstanding
discussions on topics pertinent to your concerns. There's an active
faction in the Great White North ... no strangers to rain, snow,
slush, and other skyborne goop.
	The host computer for that list crashed a couple days ago, however,
and you may not be able to access the archives for a few days. Last I
heard they expected to be back up by this afternoon, but it hasn't
happened yet. Be patient - it *will* be well worth your while.




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From: beartoe@ddg.com (Robert Anderson)
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> suggestions by emailing us.  So far the leading name is "Designs That
> Don't Suck" so we obviously need help

...what's wrong with 'designs that don't suck'? =-)

How about 'Not Too Bad Designs'?
___________________________________________________________
Robert Anderson                                Architecture
Matrix Design                                Space Planning
3636 Executive Center Drive, ste 254    Facility Management
Austin TX 78731                                CAD Services
(512) 346-4422 vox                       (512) 346-8565 fax


From plegault@hockey.cdnsport.ca Sat Mar 16 11:07:17 EST 1996
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From: Phil Legault <plegault@hockey.cdnsport.ca>
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The Canadian Hockey Association, the Ontario Hockey Association and the 
Hockey Development Centre of Ontario, in an effort to ensure the safety 
of participants in amateur hockey, have collectively put forth a series 
of recommendations relative to the construction of arena facilities in 
communities throughout Canada.

You can view the information at our Internet site 
(http://www.cdnsport.ca/hockey), or contact myself for the actual 
brochure.

Phil Legault
Manager, communications
CANADIAN HOCKEY


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In article <beartoe-0603960907150001@ftp.md.ddg.com>, Robert Anderson
<beartoe@ddg.com> writes
>...what's wrong with 'designs that don't suck'? =-)
>
>How about 'Not Too Bad Designs'?
Been done - but 'Not Bad Design' changed their name 'Studio Baad' as
they moved from graphics towards architecture - the original was too
flippant for clients to take seriously. Not that that's stopped 'Fat'
and 'Muf'.

Keep it short, and something that can be understood on the phone - more
'Non-stuck Design' than 'Suck Off'. Good luck.
-- 
Peter Ireland


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: What about ARCHI-TECH.

deslab (deslab@cybecom.net) wrote:
: We are a small firm that is just starting up and we are having the
: worst time finding out a name for ourselves.  We do architecture,
: industrial design, web sites, and graphic design.  All of us are
: licensed architects with a great interest in technology (a la Norman
: Foster, Renzo Piano, Glen Murcutt, CAD/CAM, etc) and designing that
: are both high-tech and low-tech.  Please help us! You can send
: suggestions by emailing us.  So far the leading name is "Designs That
: Don't Suck" so we obviously need help



From foamlam@aol.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:18 EST 1996
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From: foamlam@aol.com (FoamLam)
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Stresskin panels are gaining wider acceptance in residential construction.
The first stresskin panels used in home construction were produced in the
1950's by Dow Chemical.  The technology is not new, just the awareness of
it
is.

The stresskin panel used in home construction is a sandwich of load
bearing
exterior skins with a shear resisting insulating core.  Exterior skins are
generally plywood or oriented strand Board (O.S.B.).  O.S.B. is most
widely
used for its size availability and consistent quality.  Insulating cores
are
of two types, expanded polystyrene (EPS) or Polyisocyanurate.
Polyicocyanurate offers a high initial R-value/inch and high burn
temperatures.  It is also not as widely available as EPS and comes with a
higher price tag.  The most common core material is EPS.  It is
affordable,
offers excellent insulation values at common wall thicknesses, has no
outgassing, and is recyclable.  EPS is commonly seen as "coffee cup foam".
The skins and core are bonded together with a structural adhesive under
pressure.  The structure then acts as an "I" beam.  The loads are carried
by
the exterior skins and the core resists shear as does the web of a steel
beam.

Manufacturers have various systems for connecting panels as well as for
assembling buildings.  Here at Foam Laminates of Vermont we use double
surface splines for panel to panel connections.  Splines are 3" wide
strips
of OSB that fit in grooves directly behind the skins at the panel joints.
They are nailed or screwed in place and form a continuous connection.  The
panel joint is also provided with a groove we call a foam expansion
channel.
This groove runs the length of the panel and accepts a spray expansion
foam
to seal the joints.  To assemble a building a simple procedure is
followed.
The first floor deck is built or a slab is poured.  2x nailers are
installed
flat on the deck in the location of exterior walls.  Panels are slipped
over
these nailers and nailed through the skins into the nailers.  Corners are
connected with 2x nailers and pole barn nails.  The top plate is installed
in
the panels.  A doubler is attached to the top plate to connect interior
walls
and break joints in the top plate.  The next deck is built atop the panels
in
the same manner as conventional framing.  Continue as before.  Roof
systems
are very wide ranging.  Panels do not work in the same way that rafters
do.
Panels require structural support at the ridge and mid span depending on
overall span.  Timber rafters also work well.  Panel systems don't lend
themselves to hip and valley framing.  It can also be very cost effective
to
truss a flat roof.

Studies have shown that structural panel building is at least as cost
effective as conventionall framing if not more so.  Bear in mind that
studies
are conducted by people who have experience in panel building and are
working
with a design that lends itself to panels.  Work with a manufacturer or
builder who has experience or be ready to learn on the job.  It is easy to
learn it is just hard to keep everyone happy while you do it.

To find panel manufacturers you can contact the Structural Insulated Panel
Association at 202-347-7800

If you would like more information E-mail us at foamlam@aol.com or call
1-800-545-6290

Dan Maxwell
Foam Laminates of Vermont
P.O. Box 102
Hinesburg, VT  05461

Web Site http://members.aol.com/foamlam/flvweb.htm


From fguillot@together.net Sat Mar 16 11:07:19 EST 1996
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From: fguillot@together.net (Frank M. Guillot)
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kcw3001@aol.com (KCW3001) wrote:

>Hello. does anyone know anything about Adirondack camp style. Please e me.
>thanks

Look at Great Camps fo the Adirondacks by Harvey H. Kaiser, published
by David R. Godine, Publisher, Inc. 1982



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Dear kind person,

	My name is Dylan Bost.  I am a graduate architectural student at
North Carolina State University.  I am gathering information about
professional and academic design studio’s and the changes in how they are
used.   I am presently working on a project to design the studio of the
future.  Please take a few moments and fill out the following survey,
adding any suggestions and/or comments you feel would help me in my
evaluation.  

Please call, Fax, or email me and I will be happy to send you this survey.
 It will only take about 15 minutes to fill out and could quite possibly
change the future.  Please help.

Please forward this message.
The cause is just...

Thanks again
Dylan Bost

Dylan Clayton Bost                    919-828-7077 h
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From dclarkfive@aol.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:20 EST 1996
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Mark & Kathy,

You might start by checking your deed restrictions and your division
covents (aka cc&r's), if applicable.  (Should be in your closing papers). 
  Typically, in a subdivision, the deed restrictions would never allow a
mobile home on your parcel.  If you're in a nice subdivision, your cc&r's
would not allow a modular, (aka  pre-manufactured) house or addition. 

If those check out, I would call the applicable City or County planning
dept. Typically, a mobile home is regulated and would not likely be
allowed, except in specific zoning.  A pre-mfg home would be allowed,
however.  

(unless you have 3/4+ acres, then all of the above advice is unlikely to
apply, and you are free to do as you wish)

Good Luck.

Dave Clark, AIA
Seattle


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We have just opened a Web site for a client which manufactures 
prefabbricated steel buildings in Australia. 
Every structure can be purpose designed to meet specific needs and sites, 
with any combination of bays, open sides, doors, windows and verandahs 
plus a choice
of building heights, widths and lengths to suit  exact requirements.

They are interested in joint ventures projects globally and Australia wide 
franchises.

Their address is http://www.mga.com.au




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We have just opened a Web site for a client which manufactures 
prefabbricated steel buildings in Australia. 
Every structure can be purpose designed to meet specific needs and sites, 
with any combination of bays, open sides, doors, windows and verandahs 
plus a choice
of building heights, widths and lengths to suit  exact requirements.

They are interested in joint ventures projects globally and Australia wide 
franchises.

Their address is http://www.mga.com.au




From xbloom@aol.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:22 EST 1996
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Architecture school is a great place to get a good well rounded education.
 It should above all else give you problem solving skills that will be
usefull in any profession.  

You have to be willing to look outside of traditional architectural firms.
 You'ld probably be surprized at all the peripheral industries, and the
number of opportunities in them.

If you live in California, especially L.A., look into the Theme Park
Design industry.  I know for a fact that Disney is now in various stages
of developement on Three major new theme parks and probably a fourth. 
MCA/Universal is Now designing Three new theme parks.  There are many
other small companies in town designing theme parks for Las Vegas, cities
in Asia, or World's Fair pavillions.

There is lots of work out there, so go get it.


From rodruss@hills.net Sat Mar 16 11:07:22 EST 1996
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Kathy,
     First you need to look into your local building codes and see if it will
be allowed.  Also talk to your insurance company to see what they think of 
putting a mobile home (ie:firetrap) next to your framed house.  I wouldn't 
recommend it!  Often the cost of getting a pre-fab and installing it will 
equal the cost of building stick built, without the quality but it depends
on the manufacturer.  Best advice...get competative bids from other builders
you may not have the best or correct figures yet.  Next, shop out fixtures 
and look at alternative building methods, or consider being your own builder, 
but be careful here.  Feel free to write me I am a builder and will be glad
to help you along.  Good luck.

>We would like to put an addition onto our home, but the work is projected 
>at $40,000. I believe it would be cheaper to get a small pre-fab home or 
>mobile home and attach it to our excisting house. Is this something that 
>is do-able or am I just grasping at a dream?
>
>kathy
>
>--
>------------------------------------------------
>Name:      Kathy K. Wilson 
>Internet:  wilson@cais.com
>--
>No longer a novice...                Before you can learn to be free, 
>but still frustrated!                You need to be free to learn!


From dougdna@chelsea.ios.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:23 EST 1996
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Capital Refinishers, Inc is a Washington, DC based architectual
metal, wood, stone and sculpture conservation services firm.

Located just outside of Washington, DC, CRI serves the Mid Atlantic
region, providing property management, government, construction, and
elevator companies wtih professional restoration and conservation
services.

CRI is approved by GSA's Historic Preservation Dept to work on
metals, wood and stone as well as sculptures

Visit our web site at: http://chelsea.ios.com/~dougdna
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703-212-7400
Gerard Distefano
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From pjm@nando.net Sat Mar 16 11:07:23 EST 1996
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From: pjm@nando.net (paul milligan)
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	This post may be somewhat off-topic to this newsgroup, but may 
still be of interest to some readers.

	This has *NO* relation to any previous 'soft-scam' posts - this is
a real, valid program, and it is really *free*.

	I have co-authored a Windows psychrometric program with Andy Schoen, 
and we are giving it away for free on the Internet.  This is the complete 
working version, not a demo, not crippled, simply freeware.

	It is easy and intuitive to use, and yet extremely powerful.  It is 
available for download at :

http://www.wchat.on.ca/hvacr/index.htm   

	in the software section.  It would be a nice addition to your 
digital toolbox, even if it's not something you do every day.  Again, this 
is totally free, I have nothing to sell you.

Paul Milligan

_________________________________________________________
No Disclaimer needed - This is my own PPP account, and my
employer doesn't care what I think anyway !  :~)
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From seneca@hooked.net Sat Mar 16 11:07:24 EST 1996
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From: seneca@hooked.net (Michael O. Collins)
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I'm very interested in the construction of earth lodges in the native
traditional manner.  There is an article called "The Hidatsa Earthlodge"
by Gilbert Wilson.  It was written in 1934 and is published in the
"Anthropological Papers of the American Museaum of Natural History" (Vol.
33).  
   
If anyone has access to this article or related articles about Native
American Earth Lodges I would greatly appreciate the info. 

My email address is Schmitts@sfsu.edu


From comos@planet.edu Sat Mar 16 11:07:24 EST 1996
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   Hi,
      I want to know addresses that contain plans for commercial 
buildings and offices.Thank you.
Send me an e-mail as soon as possible at cosmos@planet.edu
                                               Ayman

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<LI><B> WANTED STYROFOAM LIKE BLOCKS</B>
<UL><LI><A NAME=3D"3138A06D.13A@intercall.com" HREF=3D"3138A06D.13A@interca=
ll.com">"William Weiss, III"</A>  (10)
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In article <4hoe41$om5@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, andrshousr@aol.com says...
>
>Your comments using 55 gallon barrels under the floor intrigue me.

EPA may eventually nail you for latent chemicals from the barrels even if
you think they are clean.  Try buying 5 gal "Stinkers", bottles from your
local water bottling company that the water company doesn't feel meet
their cosmetic requirements for use with customers.  They are small and
could save you from unnecessarily digging up your house.



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I am looking for anyone that has built on or uses a wood 
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The BANANA design competition looks promising. The "charge" is an opera 
house in Havana, Cuba! 



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Mike Youso  <arctech@yknet.yk.ca> wrote:

>A major concern with any thermal storage system is the moisture from 
>condensation on the surface of the thermal storage modules if a remote 
>storage bank is used.

I agree this is a good thing to avoid. I don't see a problem with moisture
condensing on these containers of water while the containers are heating
the house on a cloudy day, do you? Would moisture condense on the containers
of water as they are being heated by sun-warmed air? Perhaps, if the air is
moist. But the air should be fairly dry in the winter, if the house is
reasonably-well ventilated and the sun heats it up. Do you think condensation
will occur in this system, or are you just saying it's a concern? If so,
I wonder under what conditions might it occur, and how might we avoid it?

>If the storage bank gets much above 60% rh some rather nasty organisms
>will be growing in the air supply system with possibly serious considerations
>for IAQ. 

I wonder how the humidity would increase to 60%? It seems that, say, 32 F air
at 100% relative humidity will have a much lower RH at 68 F, and on an average
day in December, this solar closet should be about 130 F inside.

>The most succesful thermal storage uses direct-gain solar mass walls
>rather than ducting warm moist air to a storage bank.

Again, where does the moist air come from? During charging, the air in a
solar closet is completely self-contained. There is no mixing with house air...

And when you mention "successful" direct gain solar mass walls do you mean
Trombe walls? 

A few years ago, I spent some time explaining to a local architect, a more
technical person than most, who had taken a few engineering courses on the
way to architecting, that a "Trombe wall" with some dark-colored insulation
on the outside and an air gap between the insulation and glazing and some
to the inside of the house that opened up during the day was a lot more
efficient at collecting and keeping solar heat in the house than a plain old
"traditional" Trombe wall, with masonry right behind the glass, with no
insulation. Here's what I said:

  A modified "Trombe wall" with insulation on the outside, and 1 ft^2 of south-
  facing single-glazed area and an R-value of 20, will receive about 1000
  Btu/day of heat on an average 32F December day, where I live. If the room
  behind it has a constant temp of 70F, and the sun shines 6 hours a day,
  on the average, the energy that leaks out of the glass will be about 6 hours
  x (70F-32F) x 1 ft^2/R1 = 228 Btu during the day, and 18 hours x (70-32) x
  1 ft^2/R20 = 34 Btu at night, a net gain of 1000 -228 -34 = 738 Btu/day.
  Simple, no? (~750 Btu, net, with double glazing, which passes less sun.)

  A standard unvented Trombe wall (Table IV-14b of Mazria's book says vented
  ones don't work much better) with a very large uninsulated thermal mass
  right behind the glass and an R-value of, say 2 (roughly 1' of masonry),
  would have an average temperature at the outside wall surface of about
  32F + R1 x (70F-32F)/(R2+R1) = 45F, if there were no sun. If you add a
  heatflow of 1000 Btu/day of sun to that model, falling on the outside
  of the wall, the outside wall surface will have an average temperature
  of about 45F + 1000/24 x (R=2/3) = 72.4F, which contributes 24 hours x
  (72.4F- 70F) x 1 ft^2/R2 = 29 Btu/day to the room behind the wall.

  So the "improved Trombe wall" above, (actually an air heater with the
  thermal storage inside the house) is _more than 25 times as efficient_
  (738/29) at collecting and keeping heat in the room behind it, than
  the usual Trombe wall. This is a bit oversimplified...

Trombe walls are also thermal disasters during long strings of cloudy days.
When the sun goes in for a week or two, they lose their stored heat in less
than a day, and then leak house heat badly, dramatically raising backup
heat or other solar thermal storage requirements.

>Two or three layers of drywall is a good compromise since only the first
>1.5" to 2" is diurnally active.

Seems to me that a few "accent drums" full of water sprinkled around
the house might be cheaper...
 
>a zero fossil fuel studio is quite feasible almost anywhere south of the 
>arctic circle.

We seem to agree on that :-)

Nick



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In article <4i3qhr$lf@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, Nick Pine <nick@vu-
vlsi.ee.vill.edu> writes
>Mike Youso  <arctech@yknet.yk.ca> wrote:
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>
>And when you mention "successful" direct gain solar mass walls do you mean
>Trombe walls? 
>
>A few years ago, I spent some time explaining to a local architect, a more
>technical person than most, who had taken a few engineering courses on the
>way to architecting, that a "Trombe wall" with some dark-colored insulation
>on the outside and an air gap between the insulation and glazing and some
>to the inside of the house that opened up during the day was a lot more
>efficient at collecting and keeping solar heat in the house than a plain old
>"traditional" Trombe wall, with masonry right behind the glass, with no
>insulation. Here's what I said:
>
> 
>Nick
>

-- 
eteam

This modified Trombe wall sounds interesting however could you clarify the
constuction as we are still  a bit confused. i.e. is the dark insulation
exterior or merley outside a wall sandwiched between glass. Put another way,
does it go : outside / glass / dark insulation / wall / interior ?  If so , how
does the heat transfer through the dark insulation ?

Chris & Scot ---  The eteam


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A major concern with any thermal storage system is the moisture from 
condensation on the surface of the thermal storage modules if a remote 
storage bank is used.  If the storage bank gets much above 60% rh some 
rather nasty organisims will be growing in the air supply system with 
possibly serious considerations for IAQ.  The most succesful thermal 
storage uses direct-gain solar mass walls rather than ducting warm moist 
air to a storage bank.  Water modules work well in the lower 48, and 
gypsum board is better than masonry.  Two or three layers of drywall is a 
good compromise since only the first 1.5" to 2" is diurnally active.

a zero fossil fuel studio is quite feasible almost anywhere south of the 
arctic circle.
*



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eteam  <eteam@wirrleac.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>... a "Trombe wall" with some dark-colored insulation
>>on the outside and an air gap between the insulation and glazing and some
>>holes to the inside of the house that opened up during the day was a lot more
>>efficient at collecting and keeping solar heat in the house than a plain old
>>"traditional" Trombe wall, with masonry right behind the glass, with no
>>insulation...
 
>This modified Trombe wall sounds interesting however could you clarify the
>constuction as we are still  a bit confused. i.e. is the dark insulation
>exterior or merley outside a wall sandwiched between glass.

The insulation is north of an air gap under the glass.
I guess this was not very clear.

>Put another way,
>does it go : outside / glass / dark insulation / wall / interior ?
                              ^
                              |
              Almost...        air gap
                              
>If so , how does the heat transfer through the dark insulation ?

The sun warms the air in the low-thermal-mass air gap, and the warm air moves
up and through a hole in the top of the insulation and wall into the house,
then back out of the house into the air gap through a hole in the bottom of
the wall and insulation during the day, circulating between the house and the
air gap. At night, a one-way plastic film damper covering the top hole or the
bottom hole or both, closes to prevent reverse air flow and cooling, and the
air gap quickly gets cold and stays cold all night, losing no heat to the
outside world, except what flows through the rest of the insulated wall. The
two holes might be equal sized, each 5% of the wall area, if this operates by
natural convection, or they might have less area if what moves the air is a
fan in series with a cooling thermostat in the air gap and a heating thermostat in the house. 

Nick

PS: The airflow by natural convection is on the order of 

    Q = 16.6  x Av   x  square root ((Tairgap - Thouse) x h)

    cfm    ft^2 of each hole          degrees F      wall height in feet.



From prince@west.net Sat Mar 16 11:07:30 EST 1996
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From: prince@west.net (Roy Prince)
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Thorsten Seliger <thsel@informatik.uni-bremen.de> wrote:
>Does anyone know of literature or could give tips to calculate 
>the german "Waermeschutzverordnung" WSvO?

Dear Thorsten,

As you may know the "Waermeschutzverordnung" is now requred for all new (?)
construction in Germany as of 1 January, 1995.  There is a software called
"Bautherme" that is designed to do this work.  The company is located in
Tuebingen as follows:

B. Börsig
BMZ Software GmbH
Ammergasse 19
72070  Tübingen

Also the Baden Wertemburg Land Cries (sp?) has a soft cover A4 booklet on the
subject.  It is my understanding the the law requires the architect to do the
calculations so that the architect becomes involved in the energy design of the
structure rather than have a consultant do this work.  It is my understanding,
however, that architects still hire a consultant, usually their "statiker" (sp?)
or structural engineer.

I hope this is helpful,
Roy Prince
***********************


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E c o l o g i c a l . A r c h i t e c t u r e
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John wrote:
> 
> Hi
> WE are nation wide distributer s for Poysteel blocks. They were the first
> of the "foam blocks" .


how much per block and what is its size and weight, Im looking for a VERY lite structure

george
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From: George <bubba@lgn.com>
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datamike wrote:
> 
> I just read an article in the Chicago Tribune about a guy who is buying
> up abandoned missle silos and converting them into houses. I am
> searching for more information. If you have ANY, please forward to my.
> 
> Thanks!

If you get info on this PLEASE forward some to me, I would LOVE to own a old missle silo, they I 
believe are designed to be able to house up to 150 people for a indefinite period

George



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From brunelli@jet.es Sat Mar 16 11:07:31 EST 1996
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From: Luca Brunelli <brunelli@jet.es>
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Hello,
I'm a recently graduate italian architect living in Spain since 1994. I'm very interested in 
Landscape Architecture but I can't find information about masters on this subject.
If you have some information please email me at the bottom address, thanks!

Luca Brunelli:   brunelli@jet.es



From ezeran@powergrid.electriciti.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:32 EST 1996
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From: ezeran@powergrid.electriciti.com (Edward J Zeranski)
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arqcinco@intercom.es wrote:

>Hello. We are an architects equipment that we are accomplishing a
>research work about  architecture of  Richard Neutra. For this work we
>need all the information  that could be facilitated us on his obra. Is
>very important too, we be able to locate this work on a  city plan .

>THANKS.

>Arq5 architects.
>E-mail arqcinco@lix.intercom.es
>Barcelona. Spain.

	I think you should post to San Diego and Los Angeles where he did major work.
There were some volumes related  to Neutra's work in the San Diego CA public
library.



From rshane1995@aol.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:32 EST 1996
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Designer looking for rep. High end art furniture.  How do I locate these
people?  What % do they take? Are they negotiable.  Any advice regarding
the contract with them and/or the showroom would be very welcome.
Thank you,  (Please E-Mail me)
Rebecca


From nobr@his.puc-rio.br Sat Mar 16 11:07:33 EST 1996
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The Politechnic of Turim, Italy, is opening a Forum to discuss and 
register experiences in the field of communication technologies for 
developing countries. If you are interested in it,you should access: 

http://obelix.polito.it/departments/diite/servizi/forum/home_for.htm

There you will find informations about our research on self-help 
building manuals for developing countries.
We are willing to receive informations on researchs, as well as 
critics and suggestions. 

Ana Luiza Nobre (nobr@his.puc-rio.br)



From ll1968@aol.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:33 EST 1996
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From a300av8r@aol.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:34 EST 1996
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I am looking for post-graduate courses on natural architecture. Please
send this information to :Mane Futo, my e-mail is:
73000,3262@compuserve.com., or to the AOL address shown in this message. 
I'm from Venezuela, got my degree last year from USB and I'm interested in
a masters degree on natural or ecological architecture...it does not
matter where.....


From DECOPROD@gnn.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:34 EST 1996
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From: DECOPROD@gnn.com (EVAN BORNHOLTZ)
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Does anyone have information, pictures, or floorplans for the
Chrysler Building's Observation Lounge?
I have only one B&W picture and need more info about it,
especially the color scheme.
NOTE: I am not referring to the Cloud Club, but the floor above the
Cloud Club levels that now contain T.V. broadcasting equipment.

Please post answers to this news group or E-mail me at 
"eborn@nova.gmi.edu"

   Thanks in advance, G. Bornholtz





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I'm going to be in Rio and Buenos Aires for 8 days, starting Saturday.
First, is there anyone one in Rio I could conceivably meet and see arch.
sies there? We know someone in BA, but not Rio. That's a long shot,
but....
Other question is, what are must-sees down there? I've got a daytrip to
Brasilia, and I'll see a rainforest preserve, but schedule is limited,
as are funds. Any suggestions? Please reply asap. Thanks much.

Jason


From ZHLD93A@prodigy.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:35 EST 1996
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Contact the furniture lines directly (Chicago Merchandise Mart, Atlanta 
Mart, Miami, L.A., etc., ) or call the factories. They will give you the 
rep in your area or they will sell you direct. They don't take a 
percentage. They will either sell to you, and you can mark the furniture 
up whatever you desire, or they will sell the client direct, and you can 
charge a percentage.
-
  MICHAEL COOPER  ZHLD93A@prodigy.com
  Murals & More
  "Everything is going to be alright."



From tlowery@intersurf.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:36 EST 1996
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From: tlowery@intersurf.com (Toney Lowery)
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FYI

There is a Virtual Tour of an abandoned missle silo at: 

http://www.xvt.com/users/kevink/silo/

It's a pretty cool site.


From http://www.sunlink.net/~stonwerk/dsc.html Sat Mar 16 11:07:36 EST 1996
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From: stonwerk@mail.sunlink.net (Mike Johnston)
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hi all,
  in addition to mousepads:) I am building my website further. I have
the business signs in granite page done now, 9 nice photos and
tomorrow will be trying to add the rest, ie: countertops, floor tile,
landscaping things and church features. All are granite and have many
photos!
Mike Johnston  http://www.sunlink.net/~stonwerk/dsc.html



From nyboe@centrum.dk Sat Mar 16 11:07:37 EST 1996
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Hello there...

Is there anything on the net about
Gerrit T. Rietweld, or related stuff:
Mondrian, van Doesberg or "Di Stilj"?
Somebody, give me a hint !
 
Morten Nyboe, Copenhagen
mailto:nyboe@centrum.dk


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WHY IS THIS STUFF ON HERE?


From info@netcad.com Sat Mar 16 11:07:38 EST 1996
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Construction Professionals to add their business card to our 
directory.
please visit

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or send your information to  info@netcad.com.


From steamer@west.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:02 EST 1996
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From: steamer@west.net (Edward Haas)
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	Tell that to the poor slob who has his bedroom window adjacent to 
said hoop: I finally sawed down the pole of the offending item next door, 
after repeated midnight games...
-- 
	"Steamboat Ed" Haas	:	Time flies like an arrow
	COMING SOON		:	Fruit flies like bananas
	http://www.west.net~steamer  	
		---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---
	


From jorgi@atl.mindspring.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:03 EST 1996
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From: jorgi@atl.mindspring.com (Jorgi Shipley)
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Subject: Building With Old Tires
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I am looking for info on the net or other about alternative
construction ie. tires,   bales of hay, yerts  underground  etc.  Is
there a good place to get info on this?   If anyone
knows please contact me with info.

Thanks in advance



From cebab@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Apr  2 15:24:03 EST 1996
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From: cebab@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Andrew Stephen")
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Please visit the WWW site of C E Ball & Partners, Chartered Quantity 
Surveyors and Construction Cost Managers. Active throughout the UK on 
major projects and with a keen interest in the cost management of M&E and 
vertical transportation installation as well as general construction 
works, high quality fitting out and retail shopfitting. Visit us at: 
http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/welcome.html/

Lots of UK related links including related site pages for:

HSL (Heathkirk Services Ltd) offering Planning Supervision Services to 
Clients and other Design Professionals to comply with the new UK 
Construction Design & Management 1994 Regulations (CDM) which now apply 
(apart from residential and minor works) to all design and construction 
carried out for projects built within th UK. Read about our services by 
visiting our site at: http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/heathkirk.html/

CEB Projects Limited at: http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/cebproj.html/

and ..

CITE (Construction Industry Trading Electronically) the Home page for 
this UK initiative to provide a pragmatic approach to the electronic 
transfer of Tender information in the form of Bills of Quantity between 
the Client QS and the Contractor's Estimator - and back.  Download a 
trial 'zip' file to see what its all about. Visit CITE at: 
http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/cite.html/

If you like these pages then please eMail me.

Andrew Hudson BSc FRICS




From jerickson8@aol.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:04 EST 1996
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From: jerickson8@aol.com (Jerickson8)
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Subject: Walk-thru software
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Information needed for walk-thru software.
Post web sites or phone #'s for demos please.

Or E-mail to jerickson8@aol.com


From opforces@itsnet.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:05 EST 1996
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From stevend280@aol.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:05 EST 1996
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From: stevend280@aol.com (StevenD280)
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Subject: Re: " I " beam size needed
Date: 19 Mar 1996 14:51:59 -0500
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In article <4ilmai$9ug@dub-news-svc-1.compuserve.com>,
71043.1753@compuserve.com (Dustin Harris) writes:

>	Steel or wood? Steel might be better since a wood I-beam might
tend to
>separate with use. Unfortunately, I don't know much about steel.
>	Wood I-beam? Extrapolating from my code book shows that a double
2x12
>#2 douglas fir beam 30' long would work, but those aren't very
>available. How about a homemade solution: a 16" tall wood I beam? Make
>it of 3/4" ply sandwiched at top and bottom between two pairs of 2x4s.
>	materials: 
>		3 pc of 2x4x20 lumber
>		2 sheets of 3/4" cdx plywood
>		8d and 16d nails
>		1 gallon woodworking glue
>	Cut ply into 30' of 16" strips. Cut two 2x4 into 10' pieces.
Layout
>two rows of 2x4 laid down on their 3.5" sides and separated by about
>9" (yes, I would build it on its side), glue well, and tack the ply on
>with the 8d nails. Lay the other 2x4 pieces on top with glue, making
>*darn* sure to *stagger the joints* rather than matching those under
>the ply. Nail the heck out of it with the 16d nails and let it dry a
>day. Install it and test it with a double load before trusting it.
>	I'd certainly trust it myself without testing since I build for a
>living, but if you aren't sure of your carpentry or my instructions
>please do test it carefully. Above all, make sure that the joints on
>the 2x4s lap eachother as much as possible and the joints on the ply
>miss those of the 2x4 by at least 2'. Just my rule of thumb: use it at
>your own discretion.
>
>
>

Fortunately I did not start this thread.  I only made the suggestion that
a solid "I" beam would not be able to span 30 feet and carry a load of
1,000#.  I further suggested that a built-up truss of a steel design would
be more suitable for the task.  All this was predicated on a discussion
with a qualified structural engineer for specific sizes.

Another suggestion was a solid glu-lam beam.  My experience further
dictates that there can be a beam depth of over 30 inches.  Once again,
check with a qualified structural engineer.

Bottom line: Check with a qualified structural engineer.  The subtleties
have too much impact on the outcome for this to be left to anyone other
than a qualified structural engineer.

Steven P. Dahlberg, Architect

StevenD280@aol.com


From fhueston@aol.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:06 EST 1996
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From: fhueston@aol.com (FHueston)
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Subject: marble and tile
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The National Training Center for Stone & Masonry Trades has a number of 
publications and video for sale regarding marble, stone and tile.  We 
also offer several training programs. For further information visit our 
web site at http://www.webcreations.com/marble or write to us at:  NTC 
1413 Haven Drive, Orlando Florida 32803 or call 407-894-0006




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From dba@haven.uniserve.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:07 EST 1996
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From: dba@haven.uniserve.com (Brian Allardice)
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In article <4iekuh$86c@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, afund@aol.com (AFund) says:
>
>Looking to find group of socially responsible architects. Seem to remember
>this group was posted here previously. Please email addresses and
>telephone number thank you.

>Henry Weingarten ASTROLOGERS FUND  "Always a Stellar Performance"

Excuse me, but why don't you simply consult the night sky?



From dale@xs4all.nl Tue Apr  2 15:24:07 EST 1996
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From: dale <dale@xs4all.nl>
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Subject: Re: Building With Old Tires
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Try
http://solstice.crest.org/efficiency/straw_insulation/index.
html

or 
http://www.xmission.com:80/~shea/straw/

dale


From dale@xs4all.nl Tue Apr  2 15:24:08 EST 1996
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From: dale <dale@xs4all.nl>
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Subject: Solar Water Heating
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Sometime this summer I hope to begin building some log cabins at our =

children=B9s farm camp. I would like include some solar energy features in =

these cabins. =


One system I am interested in is a solar water heater, to be used both =

for heating water for baths and also possibly providing warmth in =

certain parts of the house during the day or to a hot tub, etc.
 =

I would like to use long coils of black hose as the primary collector. =


The problem is that in a cold climate, we are in NE Poland,  the water =

can freeze in the pipes during the winter. Most systems compensate for =

this by an elaborate and expensive dual (alcohol-water) system or an =

expensive insulated glass system. I would like to do with with a simpler =

system, and my idea is to place the absorption coils inside the house, =

in a sera (glass sun porch) attached to the south end of the house. The =

porch would not be heated as thoroughly as the rest of the house, just =

keep above freezing during the winter, unless the sun warmes it further.  =


Another idea is to use as the primary heat absorbing coils, a black =

plastic hose that could handle the expansion that would occur when the =

water froze. In this case, only the pump would have to be protected from =

freezing by keeping it indoors. =


Further, I would like to pump the water in this system with a low =

voltage water pump that could be connected directly to a set of solar =

cells without any intervening battery. After all there is no sense =

pumping water when there is no sun. Does such a pump exist?

 Finally, is there any reason why the system shouldn=B9t drain from the =

collector coils whenever the system shuts down, thereby providing =

further protection from freezing?

Using one, or a combination of these ideas, I would hope to be able to =

construct a very inexpensive system.

Can anyone suggest how much and what kind of hose would be required for =

such a system? Are there charts available for calculating this?

Can anyone recommend a good book on this subject?

Is there anyone who has any experience with this sort of system. What =

problems might you foresee? And does anyone know of a pump that could be =

driven directly from solar cells without intervening batteries or =

electronics?

Any comments would be appreciated.

Dale


From dale@xs4all.nl Tue Apr  2 15:24:08 EST 1996
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Can anyone tell me where I can find information on the advantages and 
problems and proceedures involved with sod roof construction. 

dale


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I've been thinking more about thermal storage for heating and cooling...

For many years now, people like Steve Pitney have been building thermal
storage tanks for off-peak electric heating out of plywood boxes lined with
EPDM rubber, which costs about 28 cents/ft^2 and comes in rolls up to 20'
wide and 100' long. It takes 2 or 3 people to lift a roll like that.

                                                       28'
For a new house, we might have         pppppp.......................
one or two EPDM rubber-lined plywood         gi i i                .
boxes in the basement, say 12' long by       gi B i                . 
7' high x 2-4' thick, on top of some         gi B i                .
railroad ties on 4' centers sitting on       gi B i                .  
grade. The plywood or OSB could go on        gi B i                .        
top of the ties, and the tanks would    <- S gi B i                .
run east and west inside the south wall      gi B i                . 
of the basement, with an 8" air gap          d  d d <- glass doors .  32'
underneath. There might be a single          gi B i                .
cement block on grade in the center of    -->gi B i<-- 4-8'        . 
each 4' square to help support the plywood.  gi B i                .  
There would be a few small fans at the       gi B i  ssssssssssss  .     
top to circulate air from south to north     gi B i  s  septic  s  . 
over the top of the boxes, down from         gi B i  s   tank   s  .
the top of the box to the bottom on          gi i i  ssssssssssss  .  
the north side, under the boxes, back        ..................... 
up the south side between the south          p            p
glazing and some insulation, and around      p            p
again. The boxes might be framed by          p  duckweed  p
through-bolting a couple of vertical         p     or     p
2x4s onto each end of each railroad tie,     p  reed bed  p
and screwing the plywood to those with       p            p
a plywood nailer, with drywall screws,       p            p
with a longitudinal 2x4 along each     pppppppppppppppppppp
inside corner at the bottom.
The EPDM rubber would be in one big sheet, folded up like a Chinese takeout
box, with no seams. The box would weigh 200-300 psf on the bottom, with less
force on the sides.

As an alternative, these two thermal masses in the basement might be some
2' diameter x 3' tall 55 gallon drums full of water stacked up 4 high,
horizontally, to make two walls 3' thick and 12' long and 7.19' high, each
containing 22 drums, each weighing about 10,000 pounds, with the drums resting
on grade, and on each other in a hexagonal array, with a wood frame to contain
them. This would be have more surface area than the plywood tank, and leaks
would be less worrysome, and it could be easily dismantled...

This solar closet might be a good place to put a clothesline or a hot tub
or a small woodstove or some fin tube pipe near the ceiling to heat water
in a conventional water heater on the floor above. 

(i is insulation above. B are the boxes. g is glazing. p is a shallow solar
reflecting/wastewater treatment pool, ~ 1' deep x 16' wide x 64' long, divided
in 4 16' x 16' sections, wrapped around the house. The pool would reflect
about 60% of the sun onto the house with a layer of ice on top, and about
6% with no ice. The ice thickness would be controlled by the septic tank 
effluent temperature. The septic tank might be cooled by a carefully-
designed DHW heat exchanger or some outside ventilation air.)  

The basement could get some nice light from the floor above...

I'm just starting to look at cooling season Philadelphia TMY2 hourly weather
data from Eric Swanson. 

I'd like to do a little passive cooling simulation, ventilating a house well
at night to store coolth in its thermal mass, and reducing the ventilation
during the warmer part of the day. 

Some interesting daily highs and lows in the cooling season here are:

day  high  low

141  85 F  58 F        In this Typical Meteorological Year, the hottest days 
157  89    61          still have coolish nights, especially if one slides
176  90    72          a 2 or 3 day window over the data, consistent with
181  93    71          storing coolth somewhere in the structure. I think 
188  91    72          this is now done in commercial buildings, eg in 
190  92    75          elevator shafts, but they probably chill the air
210  90    74          mechanically rather than just ventilating with cooler
226  93    73          night air. A good passive cooling system would clamp 
254  86    66          daytime house temps to the night lows, for starters.

If the solar closet is divided in two halves, say on either side of a
walk-out basement, it seems to me that a house above could have excellent
temperature control, even if it had little thermal mass. One half of the
closet could store coolth and the other store heat over multiple days 
in the spring and fall, in which case there would be a cool source and
a warm source available to drive the house temp actively in either direction,
as in Norman Saunders houses, vs typical solar houses which have at most one
driver. Norman says a well-designed house is as likely to need cooling as
heating on any particular day, even in wintertime...  Another option is
ground-coupled cooling using the basement floor, with a vapor barrier
underneath, and a small dehumidifier near a floor drain. Air movement might
come from the stack effect and/or using the sunspace as a solar chimney. 

Another option is to use reflecting pond water for cooling, eg with a
fan-coil unit or duct heat exchanger or interior fountain.

This data is for a typical year, a mild year, with no temperatures over 100
or less than 0. We hope to get 30 year's worth of hourly data off the NOAA/
NREL Samson CD-ROM soon. Meanwhile, we have these 8760 lines of data to start
with :-)

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:53:38 -0800
To: nick@ece.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
From: eswanson@atlcom.net (R. Eric Swanson)
Subject: RE: TMY2 Data for Philadelphia

TMY2 Solar Data for Philadelphia, months 1-12
*********************************************
    1st col = Day of year, 1-365
    2nd col = Hour of day
    3rd col = Global horizontal radiation during preceeding hour, Whr/m2
    4th col = Direct normal radiation during preceeding hour, Whr/m2
    5th col = Diffuse horizontal radiation during preceeding hour, Whr/m2
    6th col = Temperature, deg F
    7th col = Dew point Temperature, deg F
    8th col = Relative Humidity, %
******************************************************
  1   1     0     0     0  34  31  88
  1   2     0     0     0  34  31  89
  1   3     0     0     0  34  29  82
  1   4     0     0     0  32  20  61
  1   5     0     0     0  28  16  60
  1   6     0     0     0  25   8  48
  1   7     0     0     0  22  10  60
  1   8    25   143    12  16  -1  46
  1   9   131   588    31  14  -5  42
  1  10   279   779    43  15  -5  40
  1  11   264   258   161  15  -5  40
  1  12   209    70   178  15  -4  42
  1  13   345   408   161  17  -5  37
  1  14   315   425   142  17  -3  41
  1  15   203   335    97  16  -2  43
  1  16   141   511    45  15  -4  42
  1  17    32   171    17  12  -7  42
  1  18     0     0     0  11  -8  41
  1  19     0     0     0  11  -8  41
  1  20     0     0     0  11  -6  46
  1  21     0     0     0  11  -5  48
  1  22     0     0     0  11  -4  50
  1  23     0     0     0  12  -3  50
  1  24     0     0     0  13  -1  53
  2   1     0     0     0  14   1  56
  2   2     0     0     0  16   1  51
  2   3     0     0     0  16   2  53
  2   4     0     0     0  17   2  51
  2   5     0     0     0  17   2  51
  2   6     0     0     0  17   2  51
  2   7     0     0     0  17   2  51
  2   8    19    67    13  17   3  54
  2   9   119   450    42  19   4  51
  2  10   259   659    60  21   4  47
  2  11   270   245   172  24   6  46
  2  12   183    71   151  23   5  45
  2  13   253   140   190  25   7  46
  2  14   364   647   100  27   4  37
  2  15   281   686    62  27   5  38
  2  16   139   493    45  26   3  37
  2  17    29   110    19  25   3  38
  2  18     0     0     0  24   4  42
  2  19     0     0     0  21   4  47
  2  20     0     0     0  21   4  47
  2  21     0     0     0  21   4  47
  2  22     0     0     0  21   4  47
  2  23     0     0     0  20   4  49
  2  24     0     0     0  19   4  51
  3   1     0     0     0  19   4  52
  3   2     0     0     0  19   5  54
  ...
           
Suppose this new house is built into the hill h to the north, with a shallow
monopitched roof sloping up to the south, like this:
            
(Connect the two "r" dots at the top         r
to make the roof.)                           gi                   rttttt
                                          .  gi         .         it   t h
This house might need 50K Btu/day for        gi         .         ittttt
20 days for additional summer cooling   .  s gi         ..........i  h
beyond what is passively available on      s gi                   i
summer nights, ie 1 million Btu.      ? 24'  gi                 h i
                                             gi               h   i
Suppose there is a plywood/EPDM tank t       giii...........h.....i
sitting on the ground as shown above,      s giBi         h       i
full of ice...                    .        c giBi       h         i
                                             giBi     h           i
                                 pppppppppppppiii...h.............i

The tank might be 8' wide x 16' long x 6' deep, built like the basement tanks,
with pressure-treated 2 x 4's and exterior plywood and 4" of foam on the
outside. This would give it a surface area of about 500 ft^2, so over 6 months
it might lose about 180days*24hr*(62-32)*500 ft^2/R20 or 3.2 million Btu of
the 8*16*6*62*144 = 6.8 millon Btu stored in the ice, leaving 3.6 million Btu
available for cooling the house (so the tank could probably be smaller, eg 12'
or 8' long), by letting some cool air flow down into the house, or using a 
chilled water loop.

One might somehow tuck a root cellar in or near the north wall, and it would
be a good place to put or make a refrigerator, and it could dehumidify
the house.

The box would also make a nice gravity-feed 6000 gallon rainwater supply.

The roof might be covered with two pieces of EPDM rubber with a standing seam
in the middle, with 9 1" PVC draindown pipes on 4' centers with holes in them
running from north to south up the roof, to act as sprinklers in winter, to
make ice and warm the roof when it's -10 F outside. On a cold cloudless night
with no wind, the roof may be 10-20 F cooler than the outdoor air, because of
radiation to the night sky. the A small submersible pump and a header at the
bottom of the tank would move the water, which might supercool on the roof
and drain back down the roof and the tank cover into the tank and freeze on
the tank ice surface.

The roof and tank would have about 1000 ft^2 of surface area, so at an
average nightime outdoor temp of 22 F, freezing the tank would take roughly 
6.8 million Btu/(32-22F)/1000 ft^2*R0.7 = 500 hours, ie 21 days. A 100 watt
pump running 500 hours would use $5 worth of electricity per year. 

Nick



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From celey@eley.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:11 EST 1996
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Eley Associates is announcing the release of a new Windows 
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buildings.  The program is VisualDOE 2.0.  VisualDOE is a second 
generation computer program developed by an experienced team of 
architects, engineers and computer programmers to suit the needs 
of practicing design professionals like you.  We believe you will 
find the program extremely useful throughout the architectural 
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· At the schematic design phase, you can evaluate different 
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· At the design development phase, VisualDOE will help you choose 
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daylighting control options.  
· At the contract documents phase, you can use the program to 
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· During commissioning, you can study the impact of building 
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VisualDOE uses DOE-2, an extremely powerful energy simulation 
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From dheizer@nyc.pipeline.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:11 EST 1996
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Greetings. Forgive my posting the first time I entered this newsgroup, but
I don't see a FAQ. 
 
I have long been a fan of alternative architecture, ever since I discovered
the alien yet cozy forms of Roger Dean and, later, the [actually built]
work of James Hubbell. Hubbell introduced to me the idea of working natural
materials into his gunnite organic forms, which I adore. I have long
dreamed of creating an intentional community, with an Earth-friendly,
eco-spiritual slant, and these structures seem more like a living,
breathing part of their environment than fortresses against the hostile
elements. 
 
My conundrum has always been: where to find more information/schooling? I
find earlier architectural forms (with the exception of certain forms of
vernacular) often quaint but not appropriate for the 21st century, and I
*DETEST* the bauhaus and all its illegitimate progeny. Yet this is what
schools at large seem to be continuing to churn out, and I understand the
Owner Builder movement considers formal architectural training something of
a creative handicap. Can anyone suggest academic programs that truly
nurture and liberate the alternative architectural mind, or other paths to
learning how to actually start building wonderful things? Newsletters, book
sources, etc.? Builders desperate for cheap, dedicated help (i.e.,
apprenticeships)? 
 
Many thanks in advance for any advice that is forthcoming. 
 
-------------------- 
Illegitimi non carborundum


From andrewm@efn.org Tue Apr  2 15:24:12 EST 1996
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From: andrewm@efn.org (Andrew MacMillen)
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In article <314FC52B.68D4@xs4all.nl>, dale <dale@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Finally, is there any reason why the system shouldn=B9t drain from the =
>>collector coils whenever the system shuts down, thereby providing =
>>further protection from freezing?

That's a fairly normal practice for cold winter systems; some even have
auto drain systems.

>problems might you foresee? And does anyone know of a pump that could be =
>driven directly from solar cells without intervening batteries or =
>electronics?

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From drb4204@usl.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:12 EST 1996
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I'm researching graduate schools and firms that emphasize 
sustainable architecture. (I'm applying to school myself and 
putting up a web page listing various sustainable design 
resources and schools.) Could you give me some information about 
any schools that you have contact with? What schools have 
reputations in sustainable design? What background would you 
prefer in a job applicant? What should I expect as an architect 
specializing in sustainable design? What research should I 
emphasize in my studies? Can you give me any names of other 
people to contact? (other architects or firms, students or 
professors who concentrate on sustainable design or passive solar 
houses, anyone else-and their email addresses or other ways to 
contact them) I'm really just looking for an insider's view of 
the field of sustainable architecture. I'll be glad to give you a 
link in my upcoming home page if you like. In fact, let me know 
if you don't want your comments or links to show up on my page, 
or if you'd prefer to have them as "anonymous source" or 
whatever... I'd really like your honest opinion, so I'll list it 
(or not) any way you like.

Also, if you feel that this web site is a useful service, please 
add a link to your web page as follows:

http://www.ucs.usl.edu/~drb4204/archpg1.html

Thanks for your time,
Reidy Brown
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Reidy Brown
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From Michael@tartus.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:13 EST 1996
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Evan,
In your portfolio, show creativity!
Do not show drafting.
Freehand drawing & sculpting is very good.
Keep a sketchbook.  Draw in it.
Bring the sketchbook to your interview.

The Job Scene for traditional architecture is pretty bad.  But in your favor, an 
architecture education is one of the best liberal arts curriculums around.

Michael

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From syllabus@intergate.bc.ca Tue Apr  2 15:24:14 EST 1996
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In article <4il4so$4ln@knot.queensu.ca>, 3esc@qlink.queensu.ca says...
>
>
>Hi! I'm glad you're reading this!
>
>-CHOOSING A SCHOOL....what to look for?  Any favorites in Canada?

You may wish to check out the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada 
(RAIC) Syllabus as an alternative to the university route. For details, 
e-mail your name, address, postal code for information package to: 
syllabus@intergate.bc.ca (attention: Registrar)

>
>-THE JOB SCENE:this is the sticky question!  How do you like it?  
National/overseas?
>
Work is scarce. The more skills you have the more likely you are to be 
valuable to an office. Most jobs are on a contract basis in Canada at this 
time.
>***************************************************************************
********
>
>THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE TROUBLE! 
>I'll answer all responses (unless you'd rather me not!). 
>This is a great help to start me off!
>
>Thanks again!
>
>Evan .....3esc@qlink.queensu.ca
> (or 613 542-1009... if you're really motivated!)
>



From dba@haven.uniserve.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:14 EST 1996
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From: dba@haven.uniserve.com (Brian Allardice)
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In article <4iptsd$bcr@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>, syllabus@intergate.bc.ca (RAIC Syllabus National Office) says:
>
>For information on the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada (RAIC) 
>Syllabus, the accessible alternative to University studies in architecture 
>program (Professional Diploma Program of Practical Experience & Courses of 
>Study; Professional Continuing Education; General Interest Studies) send 
>your name and mailing address to: Registrar, RAIC Syllabus National Office, 
>#210-318 Homer Street, Vancouver, British Columbia, V6B 2V2, Canada; Fax: 
>(604) 669-5513 or e-mail: syllabus@intergate.bc.ca
>

Perhaps, but the horse's mouth is at

http://www.aecinfo.com/raic/index.html 

Cheers, dba


From olag@ifi.uio.no Tue Apr  2 15:24:15 EST 1996
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From: Ola Fosheim Groestad <olag@ifi.uio.no>
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Opposing Forces BBS wrote:
> Well fret no more, we have the answer. Opposing forces communications has put together one
> of the worlds largest collections of Web Graphics for your personal use, on an easy to use
> CD-ROM. The collection includes over 30,000 graphics in the following area's:
> 
> Backgrounds
> Buttons
> Balls
> Bars
> Bullets
> Icons
> Lines
> Pictures
> 
> And more!
> 
> We have also included a group of HTML Pages right on the CD giving you Links to 1000's of pages,
> in many different catagories, including the sites where these graphics originated.

You do of course realize that Copyright rules apply to the web, and that if you are spreading
copyrighted (which includes all work that not explicitly states it is freely distributable) work
the owner might rightfully drag you to court?

I certainly hope somebody do this..  I hate these rip-off offers..
Ola.


From kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:15 EST 1996
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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
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In article <4in9j5$ejc@news1.h1.usa.pipeline.com> jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com(Joe Hindorff) writes:
>  
> I toured XANADU, a monolithic dome demonstration house near Sedona, AZ this
> weekend.  The outer "skin" appeared to have sagged, showing severe wrinkles
> on the outer surface.  The owner told me that this was because the
> sub-conractor had sprayed on gypsum plaster rather than using some kind of
> spray-on stucco.  He is currently trying to get it re-done.   

Are you sure the 'spray-on' stucco wasn't some sort of Gunite? If it
really was stucco, I'd *really* like to hear more about it. What type
of equipment is required and what are the relative costs?  How easy
is it to spray on?

> Another employee there told me that the external stucco should be replaced
> every 5 years.  I don't understand that, but I forgot to ask the owner
> about it while I was talking to him.  If you find out about this, I would
> appreciate knowing. 

Again, doesn't sound like stucco, but it certainly doesn't sound like
Gunite either.

-- 
Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently"


From ddarreld@aol.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:16 EST 1996
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San Francisco Institute of Architecture is exactly what you're looking
for.


From kd34+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:16 EST 1996
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The calculations are not that difficult for such an example.  A standard
text of structures/physics should explain the methods clearly...  one
thing that no one has mentioned is the nature of the 1000#.  Is it a
point load or distributed?  What is the weight of the floor per square
foot, etc.  Sizing is not difficult, but without previous knowledge of
this I would recommend a licenced struuctural engineer.


From rxh@MCS.COM Tue Apr  2 15:24:17 EST 1996
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From: rxh@MCS.COM (Robert Hochfellner)
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lyle laylin (lyle@sojourn.com) wrote:
: George wrote:
: > 
: > datamike wrote:
: > >
: > > I just read an article in the Chicago Tribune about a guy who is buying
: > > up abandoned missle silos and converting them into houses. I am
: > > searching for more information. If you have ANY, please forward to my.
: > >
: > 
: > If you get info on this PLEASE forward some to me, I would LOVE to own a
: > old missle silo, they I
: > believe are designed to be able to house up to 150 people for a indefinite
: > period
: > 
: > George
: > 
: The Last I heard they were being "demilled" by blowing them up. this is 
: intended to assure the russians that they can't be reactivated
: Lyle

I've seen in issue #4 of "Internet Underground" (March 1996) that there
is an "Abandoned Missile Base VR Tour" available at
http://www.xvt.com/users/kevink/silo/silo.html

Quote from the article: "be prepared once you're inside to inhale a fair 
share of asbestos fibers and radon gas; the underground bases are teeming 
with both carcinogens."

Much good may it do you...

--
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| Robert Hochfellner  (rxh@mcs.net) -\--------^---------------------\
| >->-->--->---->----->------>Inserting the finest creeds available  \
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From codyarch@aol.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:17 EST 1996
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From: codyarch@aol.com (Codyarch)
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If you would like to see a beautiful house w/ a sod roof look at Alvar
Aalto's Villa Marea.


From duckchow@ix.netcom.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:18 EST 1996
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From: duckchow@ix.netcom.com (M J Epko)
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jorgi@atl.mindspring.com (Jorgi Shipley) wrote:

>I am looking for info on the net or other about alternative
>construction ie. tires,   bales of hay, yerts  underground  etc.  Is
>there a good place to get info on this?   If anyone
>knows please contact me with info.

>Thanks in advance

	I don't have any www addresses for you, but you can find several good
leads on straw bale construction by using whatever search engine you
prefer with the phrase "straw bale". There's at least a good dozen of
'em. And these sites in turn connect to other sites with a
sustainable-building bent. The phrase to use for building with tires
is "Earthship". I haven't myself gone looking on the web for yurts or
underground houses & so don't know what you might find.




From memnoch@news.intercom.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:18 EST 1996
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From: memnoch@news.intercom.net (Memnoch The Devil)
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Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has tried or regularly used the Broderbund 
program called 3D Home Architect? My local Staples (office supply store) 
sell it, supposively, for $55. Since it is cheaper there than Software 
Etc. (selling for $70 there), I thought I would consider buy it to easily 
develop some floor plans.

I am also interested in any other opinions regard a program called 
TurboCAD. Software Etc. also is selling this program, but for $70.

If anyone has tried/used either of these programs, could you please 
contact me with you experiences, opinions, etc.? I do frequent this 
newsgroup, but I cannot say much regarding the newsfeed of my provider. 
So with this in mind, it may {or may not} be more productive to just 
contacting me via email.

Many thnks for any and all enlightenment. Cheers!

--
Memnoch



From mhaser@webquill.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:19 EST 1996
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Scan photos of your work for display on the net, email to clients or 
upgrade a website.
Scan your logo rather than pay a printing service to do your stationary 
for you.
Quality scanning at reasonable rates.
Please email for further info.
Thank you


From renglish@harborside.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:19 EST 1996
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From Skipjack@pclogiconline.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:20 EST 1996
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From: Skipjack@pclogiconline.com (J. M. & M. B. Deck)
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My husband is a distributor of nylon pantyhose.   They will come in Control 
Top-Sheer and Silky; Super Sheer - sandalfoot; Sheer Support; Ultra sheer - control 
top.  I have worn these in the office for the last few months and they last.  
Several pairs of Control Top-Sheer and Silky have lasted me for a month and still 
no run.  They come in black, off black, white, off white, beige, taupe, gray, navy 
and coffee.  He is thinking about offering the Sheer in lots of twelve (12) mixed 
colorÿs or the same color (your choice) for under $1.00 per pair plus postage.  
Some are in store brand wrappers and others are in our label but they sell for much 
more in department stores.
Before we put an add on the Internet, we want to make sure that there are enough of 
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   Commercial accounts and exporters are also welcome.
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From walseth@europa.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:20 EST 1996
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From: walseth@europa.com (gary walseth)
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Subject: Help with Rammed Earth
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Can anybody direct me to sources of information on rammed earth
buildings?  I have been told the Ausies are working with it quite a
bit......

Thanks in advance

Gary Walseth of
Portland Oregon but moving to
Todos Santos, Baja California Sur, Mexico



From syllabus@intergate.bc.ca Tue Apr  2 15:24:21 EST 1996
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From barock@ukans.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:21 EST 1996
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> One system I am interested in is a solar water heater, to be used both
> for heating water for baths and also possibly providing warmth in
> certain parts of the house during the day or to a hot tub, etc.
> 
> I would like to use long coils of black hose as the primary collector.

In the U.S., black plastic tubing is not rated for hot water use.  It 
also becomes brittle over time when exposed to the sun.

There are many books available on the topic.  One that uses a practical 
approach is "How to Solarize Your House" by Dean and Hedden.  It was 
published by Scribners, but is out of print.  Maybe you can find it in a 
large library.

Good luck with your project.

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NCARB certification, make certain that your school of choice offers a
5-year minimum professional degree acceptable to NCARB.


From boatkin@insearch.win.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:22 EST 1996
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From: boatkin@insearch.win.net (Bo Atkinson)
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In article <314FC52B.68D4@xs4all.nl>, dale (dale@xs4all.nl) writes:
>Sometime this summer I hope to begin building some log cabins at our....
>One system I am interested in is a solar water heater, to be used both....
>The problem is that in a cold climate, we are in NE Poland,  the water
>can freeze in the pipes during the winter. Most systems compensate for....
>Any comments would be appreciated.  Dale

Hello There,

I have happily heated domestic water using "black hose" (.5" or 1cm black ABS
plastic) coils for 21 yrs., here in Maine, USA, Lat  44+. Polands Lat 54+ may receive
less sun but appears to be a warmer climate growing zone, according plant books,
so low cost solar should work there. I wrote a detailed description of my low cost
solar/ water heating research in a journal called  "Home Power, issue #36, Aug-Sep
'93, (cover story) .... (HP Magazine, POB 520, Ashland, OR 97520, without recent
issues I don't know email address,  tel:916-475-0830).

This magazine has countless references regarding your interests, and last time I
checked, consecutive issues are available on CD ROM.

Essentially, I find that ordinary attics are remarkable solar collectors and filling an
attic with evenly spaced coils of tubing produce heated water.  I use preasurized cold
water from a deep well pump/ and house tank to supply water to collector... A
thermostatic valve on hot end controls hot flow to an insulated hot storage tank in
attic, (similar to car thermostat, but with lower temperature design). Hot water lines
distribute  water to house by gravity.  My attic happens to be a greenhouse as well,
and is dome shaped for wide solar angle. The condensation on cold end is trivial if
you can stand a few stains, (or catch with plastic sheet)...  5 months of the year 
produce unassisted, abundant hot water, (needing no futher heating).

Easy- vertical- drain- out   sounds desirable, but my oldest ABS pipe has already
sustained 15 years of freeze-thaw without draining, durring winter. Pipe which has
been damaged by over bending durring installation, or other abuse does develope
leaks. Joints between pipes  are also more susceptible to freeze damage. I spend a
few hours every spring on maintenance. But my less-abused sections of pipe never
leaked from frost damage, even with countless freeze thaw cycles durring 15
winters.  Freeze-thaw does remove mineralization build up, like "cadiovascular
plaque removal". Also unpreasurized water storage bleeds off those bad tasting
disolved gases, which makes hard, rural water taste better.  Avoid poorly made
iron tanks, they rust out.

One entertaining response I received was that this was simmilar to an already,   time
honored method for heating water on thifty ships in the southern Pacific Rim. It's too
bad free marketers so often overlook common sense, they dare not promote this low cost
approach to solar...  it's not even recognized by zoning codes, beware of tort laws!   

Bo Atkinson



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From jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:23 EST 1996
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On Mar 20, 1996 15:11:53 in article <Re: Monolithic concrete domes>,
'kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)' wrote: 
 
>Are you sure the 'spray-on' stucco wasn't some sort of Gunite? If it
really was  
>stucco, I'd *really* like to hear more about it. What type of equipment is
 
>required and what are the relative costs?  How easy is it to spray on? 
 
 
Gunite is sprayed on the inside (3" inside of 3" of polyurethane). 
Something different was used on the outside.  Sorry I wasn't more
inquisitive.  I'll try to getback up there and find out what it is that
they use. 
 
 
> 
>> Another employee there told me that the external stucco should be
replaced 
>> every 5 years.  I don't understand that, but I forgot to ask the owner 
>> about it while I was talking to him.  If you find out about this, I
would 
>> appreciate knowing.  
> 
>Again, doesn't sound like stucco, but it certainly doesn't sound like
Gunite  
>either. 
> 
> 
>--  
>Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)

>Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu 
>(DoF #)  : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently"


From 72760.2745@CompuServe.COM Tue Apr  2 15:24:24 EST 1996
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A quest:  woman seeks other women to jam (musically) with

*** 
Note: this article looks like spam, but isn't: when posted in music-
oriented newsgroups, Joan received many responses from insolent 
individuals (that's a nice way of putting it) who were offended by the fact
that she prefers to associate with 'artsy' types.  That's why it's here.
***

Joan Galt is looking for some other women to jam with, somewhere in the
greater Washington DC/Baltimore/Frederick MD area.  Joan, who is in her
30's, is mostly self-taught (and always learning), likes to sing and
play her electric guitar.  Women of all colors, ages and types are
welcome to respond (agnostic and cynical tendencies preferred).  Note:
this is STRICTLY a musical thang!

Co-jammer requirements:

* Whacked-out sense of humor

* Must play some instrument well enough to accomplish something--
strings preferred, but woodwinds, keyboards and percussion are fine too
(unusual ok: theremins and zoomoozophones no problem).  Good strong
vocals are a plus.

* Must be willing to be totally fragrance-free for sessions (due to
allergic asthma)

* Art or design background a big plus--no lawyers or engineers, please

* Environmentally-oriented people preferred--especially ticked-off
vegans & vegetarians

* No commercial aspirations--it's just for fun (but who knows?)

* Must not be afraid of "strong" language.


Joan's musical likes:

B-52's 
Gang of Four * 
Jane Siberry * 
Kate Bush * 
Peter Gabriel 
Brian Eno 
Portishead 
Alanis Morissette 
Crash Test Dummies 
Ofra Haza 
Thomas Dolby before he cut his hair off * 
Erik Satie

* but Joan was disappointed by latest recording.


All interested parties are urged to respond (*** via e-mail ***) with
location, talents and outlook on music, culture, life and the state of
the world...

This offer good for a limited time only, so act now!



From memnoch@news.intercom.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:25 EST 1996
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From: memnoch@news.intercom.net (Memnoch The Devil)
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Hello Everyone,

Earlier I posted a general inquiry regarding Broderbund's 3D Home 
Architecture. I was considering it as an inexpensive tool to play with, 
and one that my fiancee could play with also.

Unfortunately, I did not notice until after posting that for some 
unexplain reason my return address was 'memnoch@news.intercom.net' and 
any attempt to reply to me would bounce back stating 'unknown user' at 
shore4.intercom.net.

Well, I would, again, like to make a general inquiry to those who have 
tried/used this program before, or are currently using it. I do not wish 
to invest a lot of money in programs like a full blown autoCAD program.

So, if anyone has tried/used this program, or another called TurboCAD, 
please, please respond to me at:

			memnoch@shore.intercom.net


I thank all of you for your paitents(sp) and consideration for this 
unfortunate incident with my reply address. The original reason why I ask 
for people to email me, as opposed to doing a followup, is that my 
newsfeed sometimes does not get all of the articles out there, including 
some replies--this from an observation across multiple accounts.

many thanks, and cheers!  ;-)

Memnoch


From beeler@waterw.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:25 EST 1996
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I have heard that the there is a machine called the Quick Spray that 
is capable of spraying stucco.  I believe it is distibuted by Straw 
Bail Construction Managment Co.

Yep, I just checked my books. In The Straw Bail House it says the 
address is:

Straw Bail Construction Managment Inc.
31 Old Arroyo Chamiso
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505

The phone number is 505.989.4400

Hope this helps.

Joe Beeler
beeler@waterw.com


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:26 EST 1996
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So, I'm looking at the $450 15' diameter x 42" deep swimming pool in the 1993
Spring/Summer J C Penny catalog, which would contain about 619 cubic feet of
water, ie about 5,000 gallons or 40,000 pounds of water...

Solar pool heating is easy, compared to other kinds of solar heating, since
temperatures are low, and there's a built-in thermal mass. What would it take
to keep this pool warm all winter, or to make it into a huge outdoor hot tub,
in the 5,500 F degree day climate where I live, near Philadelphia?
 
The biggest problem with solar pool heating is the cover. "Solar pool covers"
have low R-values, usually not more than R1, and they are tinted blue, which
keeps the sun out :-) Suppose we somehow cover the pool with a fairly rigid
R-20 cover, and keep it closed all the time, except when the pool is in use. 

The cover might be a 20' x 20' x 6" thick panel made with 2x6s on 4' centers,
with 6" of fiberglass insulation inside, and 1/4" flakeboard or galvanized
sheet metal on top, with some plastic-coated shiny aluminum foil on the bottom.
Innovative Insulation in Arlington, Texas, sells some shiny tough foil for
mobile home roofs in 4' wide rolls for about 50 cents/ft^2. The pool cover
might be hinged with a pipe along the north edge, with a counterweight, so
it could easily be tilted up to the south at about a 45 degree angle. This
would reflect some winter sun into the pool and reduce the wind when the cover
is open, but the main pool heating would come from a 4' high x 20' long piece
of vertical plastic glazing along the south edge, with an air gap behind that
and some dark-colored straw bales behind that, to act as a solar air heater. 

Suppose the pool were surrounded by straw bales, each 16" x 16" x 36", costing
$2 each, eg 40 straw bales under the pool, and another 70 bales around all
the sides of the pool, to make a 4' high wall around the pool, 6" taller than
the pool, with an average R-value of 20 (?) The bales around the perimeter
could be stacked up and mortared together like giant concrete blocks to make
a deck for the pool with a wide flat edge, and the soft underside of the cover
might deform and sit on the deck to make a good seal when it is closed.

The straw bales under the pool itself could be spread apart to make 8 air
ducts, each 6" wide x 16" deep, running from north to south along the ground,
to allow solar-warmed air from the south glazing to travel across the top
of the pool, under the cover, down the north back wall of the pool, between
the pool and the bales, and under the pool from north to south. This might
work with passive plastic film gravity backdraft air dampers in holes at the
top and bottom of the straw bales behind the glazing, but a PV-powered (-:)
fan would make it work better. The whole ground area should be covered with
some sort of vapor barrier, eg poly film, to keep moisture out of the straw,
and the tops of the ducts below the pool should have some bridging, eg 1/8"
of newspaper with 3 layers of chicken wire on top of that, and an inch of sand
mix cement over that. Let's ignore the heat loss from the ducts to the ground. 

A shallow reflecting pool made from a single piece of 10' wide EPDM rubber
roofing material over a 6" earth berm around the edge would augment the sun
when frozen and keep weeds from growing up in front of the glazing.

It might look like this, not to scale:     ^  (open)      
                                           |
   cccccccccccccccccccc              ccccccccccccccccccccHcccccCW 
    gggggggggggggggggg                g..................P _
    gggggggggggggggggg         <-- S  g  ppppppppppppppp P
    gggggggggggggggggg                g  pppp water pppp P 4'
    gDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDg   r ~~~~~~~~~~ g  ppppppppppppppp P
.........................rprrpprprprp ...................P.............
                         |<--- 8' --->|  |<--- 15' --->| P
                                      |<------ 18' ----->|

    key:                 rprprprp----ccccccccccccccccccccHcccccCW 
                         p           cgsssssssssssssssssss      .
    p is the pool        r           cgs       ppp       s      .
    s is straw           p  EPDM     cgs  p-c- (D) -c-p  HcccccCW
    g is glazing         . rubber    cgs       (D)       s      .
    c is the cover       .           cgsp  -c- (D) -c-  pHcccccCW
    D are hot air ducts  .     20'   cgsp      (D)      ps      .
    rp is a reflecting pool          cgsp  -c- (D) -c-  pHcccccCW
    H is a hinge         .           cgs       (D)       s      .
    P is a post          .           cgs  p-c- (D) -c-p  HcccccCW
    CW is a counterweight.           cgs       ppp       s      .
                         .           cgsssssssssssssssssss      .
                         rprprprp----ccccccccccccccccccccHcccccCW

                         |<--  8' -->|<---     20'   --->|

Suppose that in winter, 1,000 Btu ft^2/day makes it into the single layer
flat polycarbonate glazing, augmented 50% by the frozen reflecting pool
on an average day in December. Then the solar energy input would be 

Ein = 1,000 x 1.5 x 4' x 20' = 120K Btu/day, 

Suppose that during 6 hours of sun on an average day in December,
the outdoor temp is 36 F, and the pool has some sort of R0 cover that
just prevents evaporation, and the air heater air and the pool water
have the same temperature T. 

Then the energy that flows out of the pool during an average December day is

Eout = 6 hours (T-36)  80 ft^2/R1   from the south glazing during the day
    + 18 hours (T-36)  80 ft^2/R20  from the south glazing at night
    + 24 hours (T-36) 400 ft^2/R20  up through the cover all day
    + 24 hours (T-36) 240 ft^2/R20  out through the ENW sides all day

     = (6x80/1 + 18x80/20 + 24x400/20 + 24x240/20) (T-36)

     = (480    +    72    +    480    +    288   ) (T-36)

     = 1320 (T-36), so if Ein = Eout for an average day, we have

1320 (T-36) = 120K or
  
          T = 36 + 120K/1320 = 126.9 degrees F.

Looks good... :-) Suppose we keep the pool at 106 F, eg by allowing some of
the average 30 gallons of rain per day that fall on the pool cover in PA to
flow through the pool and into the reflecting pool, which would keep the pool
cleaner with fewer chemicals. 

How much will the pool cool on a average December day with no sun?

Eout = 24 hours (106-36)  80 ft^2/R20  from the south glazing all day
     + 24 hours (106-36) 400 ft^2/R20  up through the cover all day
     + 24 hours (106-36) 240 ft^2/R20  out through the ENW sides all day

     = (24x70x80/20 + 24x70x400/20 + 24x70x240/20)

     = 6,720 + 33,600 + 20,160 = 60,480 Btu.

Since 1 pound of water loses 1 Btu when it cools 1 degree F, the pool temp
after a day without sun would be roughly 106 - 60,480/40,000 = 104.5 F.

How many 36 F days without sun would it take for the pool to reach 70 F?

The pool has a thermal resistance of R = R20/720 ft^2, so its RC time constant
is RC = R20/720x40,000 Btu/F = 1,111 hours or 46 days.

With no sun at all, and the cover closed, the pool temperature should be about

  T = 36 + (106 - 36) exp(-t/46), over many days, so if T = 70, 

 34 = 60 exp(-t/46), or 0.57 = exp(-t/46), or t = - 46 ln(0.57) = 26 days.

If it were 10 below zero outside for t days without any sun, the pool
might just begin to form a thin layer of ice on top when

 32 = -10 + (106-(-10)) exp(-t/46) ==> t = -46 ln(42/116) = 16.7 days.

Freezing it solid from top to bottom would take another 144 Btu/lb x 40K lb
= 5.76 million Btu, as the pool loses 36K Btu/day, not counting the thermal
resistance of the ice layer, ie at least another 159 days with no sun, at
minus 10 degrees F.

Nick

It's a snap to save energy in this country. As soon as more people become
involved in the basic math of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as
intellectual, grasp on how a house works, solution after solution will appear.

                                          Tom Smith 


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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:27 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Yet another solar heated swimming pool--a correction
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Seems like I have to go back and fix even the simplest things, even while they
are still on paper, which is a good time to do that. Perhaps this post should
have stewed for a couple of days before posting, but you know how it is when
you get excited about an idea, especially after a dozen espressos :-)

So here's the problem, in the following paragraph--not a large enough ratio of
thermal mass surface area to glazing surface area, in this solar closet. That
ratio should be 10:1 or so, to keep the temperature difference between the
air heater air and the thermal mass low, in this system with thermal mass
indirectly heated by warm air, and make the solar collection efficient, but
the glazing here is 80 is ft^2, and it's really equivalent to 120 ft^2 of
solar heat, with the reflecting pool, and the round pool sides are only 165
ft^2 and the pool bottom only has about 32 ft^2 of surface exposed to the sun-
warmed air, so that ratio is only 2.5:1, as posted. Nobody noticed this, altho
I did get some email from someone who said he "didn't do math," but we should
cover the top with PV and water heating panels and use antifreeze and pumps
and pipes buried in a radiant concrete floor slab under the pool :-)

Please change the following paragraph:

The straw bales under the pool itself could be spread apart to make 8 air
ducts, each 6" wide x 16" deep, running from north to south along the ground,
to allow solar-warmed air from the south glazing to travel across the top
of the pool, under the cover, down the north back wall of the pool, between
the pool and the bales, and under the pool from north to south. This might
work with passive plastic film gravity backdraft air dampers in holes at the
top and bottom of the straw bales behind the glazing, but a PV-powered (-:)
fan would make it work better. The whole ground area should be covered with
some sort of vapor barrier, eg poly film, to keep moisture out of the straw,
and the tops of the ducts below the pool should have some bridging, eg 1/8"
of newspaper with 3 layers of chicken wire on top of that, and an inch of sand
mix cement over that. Let's ignore the heat loss from the ducts to the ground. 

Here's a fix: forget the newspaper, make the ducts a foot wide, use 30 instead
of 40 straw bales under the pool and put in 100 concrete blocks with holes in
them, standing on end between the ground and the chicken wire ferrocement, to
act as fins to conduct heat up to the pool bottom. Each concrete block has a
surface area of about 6 ft^2 exposed to the warm air, so this way, we have 80
ft^2 of glazing and about 200 + 6*100 ft^2 of thermal mass surface area to
gather heat from the warm air, ie a nice 10:1 ratio. 

Nick



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I am searching for a product which allows controlled natural infiltration.

To realize a system of natural but controlled infiltration in an office building
I thougt about mechnical supported transportation of the used air 
(necessary to fulfill the demanded standards of infiltration rate)
together with a self regulated inlet consisting of a short duct dirctly under
the window frame. Caused by the position of the air inlet the user should have the 
impression to get fresh air from the outside even if the window is closed.
As result of the short inletduct not only the expediture is reduced but also problems
are avoided concerning with dusty and unhealthy incoming air.

The above mentioned inletduct has to meet the following requirements:

-possibility to fix open/close position manually
-to control the maximum flow regardless whether the opening lays at the
 wind induced low- or highpressure side of the building a mechanical 
 solution is needed which reduces or stops the airflow if it exceeds a given value or
 turns into wrong direction.
-simple design
-flat design, to have the possibility to integrate it into the frame

If you know a system working like this, have any experiences or if you know a product
which is already available, please answer or send an e-mail.

Ruediger Lorenz



From 01jeburk@bsuvc.bsu.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:28 EST 1996
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In article <31518495.2500@ukans.edu>, "Brian A. Rock" <barock@ukans.edu> writes:
>> One system I am interested in is a solar water heater, to be used both
>> for heating water for baths and also possibly providing warmth in
>> certain parts of the house during the day or to a hot tub, etc.
>> 
>> I would like to use long coils of black hose as the primary collector.
> 
> In the U.S., black plastic tubing is not rated for hot water use.  It 
> also becomes brittle over time when exposed to the sun.

something else you might consider is a highly conductive metal (such as copper)
as i have seen in many books.  just a thought.

jason

----------------

Jason E. Burk
Ball State University
First-year Architecture
email:  01jeburk@bsuvc.bsu.edu
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From J.Drever@uea.ac.uk Tue Apr  2 15:24:28 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Yet another solar heated swimming pool--enhancements
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Nick Pine <nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> wrote:
 
>The straw bales under the pool itself could be spread apart to make 8 air
>ducts, each 6" wide x 16" deep, running from north to south...

>Here's a fix: forget the newspaper, make the ducts a foot wide, use 30 instead
>of 40 straw bales under the pool and put in 100 concrete blocks with holes in
>them, standing on end between the ground and the chicken wire ferrocement, to
>act as fins to conduct heat up to the pool bottom...

Better yet, forget the ducts and cement blocks and ferrocement, just build
the platform from strawbales and use a tiny pump and a 20' x 4' length of
SolaRoll, the EPDM rubber swimming pool tube-mat collector, under the south
edge vertical glazing.

Better yet, forget the store-bought pool and put a treated wood 2x4 frame
around the straw bales and line an 18' x 12' x 4' inner cavity with a single
piece of 20' wide EPDM rubber, folded up like a Chinese takeout box, so it
has no seams.

Better yet, make the solar collector out of another single piece of EPDM
rubber folded once into a 4' high x 12' long x 1" thick vertical V, with the
sides and top sealed in a 2x4 sandwich with silicone caulk between the rubber
sheets, a la Sven Tjernagel's 470 Pennsylvania site-built solar collectors,
(some still going strong), but vertical vs slanted, and filled with water,
vs a trickle down system, with some chicken wire under the north sides of
the 2x4 to limit the rubber bulging, and some glazing screwed to the south
sides of the 2x4s. 

Better yet, make an 20' wide x 16' long x 16' tall cube with 4 of these
20 x 8 x 8' boxes, using 2 16' long x 8' tall site-built EPDM collectors on
the south face, 2 6 gpm pumps each having an 8' head capability, and 4
internal water cavities, each 16' long x 8' wide x 6' deep, to store 24,576
gallons of water at 130 F, ie 10 million Btu of solar heat for a nearby house
for a whole cloudy winter. This might be nice under a 16' x 16' walkout deck,
on the west side of a house... If one were going to drink the water, the inner
tank liners might better be pond liner material, not EPDM, and the collectors
might contain propylene glycol "edible antifreeze," with a heat exchanger
inside the tanks. 

The pumps could be PV-powered of course. ("Bad move," says Sven Tjernagel :-)

Nick

It's a snap to save energy in this country. As soon as more people become
involved in the basic math of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as
intellectual, grasp on how a house works, solution after solution will appear.

                                          Tom Smith 


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In article <4in4hg$nhg@wolfe.wimsey.com>, Student Two <student2@aurora.net> says:
>
>dear nick ,
> 

I'm new to this thread so the information I have may have already been
passed on to you...

A company whose products we use inthe manufacture of passenger railroad 
equipment is Michrophor, inc, P.O. Box 1460, Willits, CA 95490 (707) 459-
5563.  They provide a system of a toilet (stainless steel or porcelan) and 
processing tank made of HDPE plastic filled with redwood bark chips connected
to a smaller cholrine dispensing tank.  The system is sized on basic demand.
Waste and .5 gal water is drained from the bowl to a lower chamber through a 
flapper valve.  After the flapper closes a blast of air moves the waste and 
water to the process tank up to 25 feet away and as much as 30" higher.
In the tank the waste is separated from the water and filtered through
the bark chips.  Biological agents, which happen to come with the waste
degrade the solids.  Eventually everything passes through as a relatively
non-septic water which is completely sanitized by the chlorine.  The draw back
is that the system can handle ONLY solids that have been eaten and tissue.
Anything else entering the system makes it clog up and become septic.

Brett Hall
bretzel@denver.net
www.denver.net/~bretzel/ 


From terry cop1@shands.ufl.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:30 EST 1996
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To bad you're not in the Gainesville, FL area, I can't seem to find someone 
progressive that is interested in a lower end home project.  If you know of someone 
available in my area please let me know.  Good luck with our move to LA!



From tombruno@shout.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:31 EST 1996
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Nick Pine wrote:
> 
> So, I'm looking at the $450 15' diameter x 42" deep swimming pool in the 1993
> Spring/Summer J C Penny catalog, which would contain about 619 cubic feet of

[much deleted]


What about the straw rotting?  What about rodents? What about 
compression of the straw under the pool?
-- 
Thomas A. Bruno;  Champaign/Urbana, Illinois
Voice:217.328.6000; Fax 217.328.6765
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From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Tue Apr  2 15:24:32 EST 1996
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For sale: A ‘Seagull’ chair and ottoman designed by Berg & Ericsson,
upholstered in red hopsak. It was only produced for three years
between 1968 and 1971 by Fritz Hansen. This chair was first exhibited
at the Danish Furniture Fair in 1968.
 
The chair has a period feel with a  scuptural form resembling
something out of Star Trek.

A black & white Jpeg picture of this chair & otoman is available on
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graham@mancha.demon.co.uk




From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Tue Apr  2 15:24:33 EST 1996
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A set of ten 'Master' arm chairs by Bruno Mathsson. Tubular steel
frame upholstered in pale red fabric supported on a chromed steel rod
swivel pedestal. Manufactured by Dux Interiors, Sweden. All are in
very good condition. £75 (GB pounds) each. Current list price in the
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From kging@efn.org Tue Apr  2 15:24:34 EST 1996
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Steve DeKoch, Dept of Architecture,
 Univ. of Oregon, Eugene, OR   97403
has experience designing, bldg rammed earth homes and is 
building one now, has worked with Earth WOrks in CA also.

On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, gary walseth wrote:

> Can anybody direct me to sources of information on rammed earth
> buildings?  I have been told the Ausies are working with it quite a
> bit......
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Gary Walseth of
> Portland Oregon but moving to
> Todos Santos, Baja California Sur, Mexico
> 
> 
> 


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In article <4iqqpp$r9t@Mercury.mcs.com>, rxh@MCS.COM says...
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>lyle laylin (lyle@sojourn.com) wrote:
>: George wrote:
>: > 

>Quote from the article: "be prepared once you're inside to inhale a fair 
>share of asbestos fibers and radon gas; the underground bases are teeming 
>with both carcinogens."
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Bruno, Thomas A. <tombruno@shout.net> wrote:

>What about the straw rotting? 

Not a problem if it's kept dry. 

>What about rodents?

Unlikely, if the perimeter wall is put up with mortar. 

>What about compression of the straw under the pool?

One of my neighbors has a circular on-ground pool with a "stretchable liner,"
that makes it 18" deeper than it appears to be from the side... 

Nick



From 100523.3617@compuserve.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:36 EST 1996
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George <bubba@lgn.com> wrote:

>> If you get info on this PLEASE forward some to me, I would LOVE to
own a old missle silo, they I 
believe are designed to be able to house up to 150 people for a
indefinite period <<

No more excuses for getting rid of those tiresome house guests.
Great for parties, but make sure you ask your friends not to play with
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Hi All,

I am looking for information about designing and building an underground
home. I know the advantages of having one, its just that I cannot find any
information about how to design and build one. I have been to the local
library and they have no information about books and organisations that
could help me.

Does anyone out there know of:
 
  (a) Any relevant books.
  (b) The Names and Addresses Of Organisations that could help.
  (c) Any Internet sites that could help me.

Thank you in advance.

Gary.

-- 
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. Amen.


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Hi all, 

I am looking for eiher the eMail-adress or the URL of Lebbeus Woods, the 
president of the Institute for Experimental Architecture, New York. At 
least the URL of IEA would be helpful for me. 

Thanks a lot in advance; your help is gratefully appreciated. 

Cheers, 

Marcus Polke
Technical University of Berlin

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From wpb5@psu.edu Tue Apr  2 15:24:39 EST 1996
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Nick Pine writes:

>Bruno, Thomas A. <tombruno@shout.net> wrote:

>>What about the straw rotting? 

>Not a problem if it's kept dry. 

>>What about rodents?

>Unlikely, if the perimeter wall is put up with mortar. 

>>What about compression of the straw under the pool?

>One of my neighbors has a circular on-ground pool with a "stretchable liner,"
>that makes it 18" deeper than it appears to be from the side... 

Straw bale construction is not really a new idea, although a straw bale 
swimming pool might be...

As part of a "sustainable" technology program, a group of Architectural 
Engineering/Architecture/Landscape Architecture students here at PSU have been
designing and plan to build a straw bale building that will serve as a meeting 
center.  The walls will be covered with stucco.  The R-value of such walls is 
quite high and, as Nick notes, it doesn't rot if you keep it dry.  I've 
occasionally wondered whether it would be cost effective to shrink-wrap the 
bales before installing them to make sure there's no moisture migration, but 
people who know say that it shouldn't be necessary.

Bill Bahnfleth


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From curlyindy@aol.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:39 EST 1996
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Let's get down to it:
Assuming 'I' beam means a steel beam and the loading condition is truely
1000 lbs on a 30 ft span, Use a W10x12 .  The solution is:

R=V=P/2=(1000 lb)/2= 500 lbs reaction at each end of beam
M=PL/4=(1000 lb)(360 in)/4= 90,000 lb in. of maximum bending moment
F=0.66xFy=0.66x(36,000 lbs/sq. in)= 23760 lbs/sq.in allowable bending
stress
S=M/Fy=(90,000 lb. in.) / (23,760 lbs./sq.in) = 3.78 in^3 (cubic in.)
Section Modulus
d=L/360=360 in / 360= 1 in. deflection at point of load in center (worst
case)
I=PL^3/48Ed=((1000 lb)(360 in)^3) / 48 (29x10^6 lb/sq.in)(1in)=33.5 in^4 =
   Moment of Inertia.

Checking the American Institute of Steel Construction (A.I.S.C.) Manual of
Steel Construction  (the "green book") one and the 'properties for
designing' section,
The following sizes of steel beam would work:
   W8x13  ....  I=39.6 in^4 ...  S=9.91 in^3
   W10x12 ...  I=53.8 in^4 ...  S=10.9 in^3
   W12x14 ...  I=88.6 in^4 ...  S=14.9 in^3

Use a W10x12 steel beam. Depth=10 in.  Width= 4 in. Weight = 12x30=360
lbs.    Cost. $180 (assuming $.50/lb)  Call your local steel fabricator or
supplier for availability.  Grab your freind who has a trailer and go pick
the sucker up.

Notes:

1.  (2) 2x4's of Construction Grade lumber would work to hold up the ends
of the beam although one should not necessarily bear steel on wood (shrink
and swell).  Brace the 2x4's at least at midpoint for 8' long studs.

2.  If the weight is distibuted over the length of the beam rather than at
the center (i.e. floor joists on a beam rather than a hoist beam on which
to wrap a chain to yank an engine), don't worry.  A uniformly loaded beam
would have less stress. If the beam needs to carry more load, don't worry.
 As a friend of mine is fond of saying,"What's it going to do .... BEND". 
Just don't overdo it too much.

3.  Please call me at 317-570-0035 if any of the above conditions or
assumptions are not true and we will re-figur' the problem.

4.  Dean Mellinger - Architect  (a.k.a. CurlyIndy)

5.  The beam will work if the above assumptions are correct but I can't
take liability since I don't know the particulars of the actual
conditions.  You should work with a local engineer or architect (one with
salt).  


From beeler@waterw.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:40 EST 1996
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From: Joseph A Beeler <beeler@waterw.com>
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Gremlin wrote:
> 

> 
> Does anyone out there know of:
> 
>   (a) Any relevant books.
>   (b) The Names and Addresses Of Organisations that could help.
>   (c) Any Internet sites that could help me.


Hi Gary,

Sorry it took so long to respond but most of my books are in storage.  
I have a several books on the topic of undreground homes, but I could 
only find two.

The first is "earth sheltered housing design"  from the underground 
space center at the university of minnesota.  My edition was printed 
in 1978.  The Center presents itself as a resource.

It's address is:

The Underground Space Center
11 Mines and Metallurgy Building
221 Church Street S E
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55455

My second book is "Alternative Housebuilding" by Mike McClintock.  
This book has a small chapter that includes earth shelters tward its 
end.  It contains a list of several books incluuding:

Build it Underground, David Carter (Sterling Publishing

Constructing Earth Sheltered Housing with Concrete (Portland Cement 
Association, 54420 Old Orchard RD., Skokie, IL 60076

The Earth Shelter Handbook, Tri/Arch Associates (Tech/Data 
Publications, 6324 W.Fond du Lac, Milwaukee, WI

Earth Shelter Facts Sheets, Department of Energy and the Underground 
Space Center

Earth Sheltered Homes, Underground Space Center (Van Nostrand 
Reinhold)

Earth sheltered Structures, Lester L Boyer (Schoool of Architecture, 
Division of Engineering, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK 
74078)

Home in the Earth, Larry S. Chalmers, Jeremy A Jones (Cronicle Books)

and others.  

I hope this is enough to get you started.  I don't know of any web 
sites at the moment but you whould be able to get in touch with the 
Underground Space Center via the University of Minnesota.

Good Louk

Joe Beeler
beeler@waterw.com


From beeler@waterw.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:41 EST 1996
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Gremlin wrote:
> 

> 
> Does anyone out there know of:
> 
>   (a) Any relevant books.
>   (b) The Names and Addresses Of Organisations that could help.
>   (c) Any Internet sites that could help me.


Hi Gary,

Sorry it took so long to respond but most of my books are in storage.  
I have a several books on the topic of undreground homes, but I could 
only find two.

The first is "earth sheltered housing design"  from the underground 
space center at the university of minnesota.  My edition was printed 
in 1978.  The Center presents itself as a resource.

It's address is:

The Underground Space Center
11 Mines and Metallurgy Building
221 Church Street S E
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55455

My second book is "Alternative Housebuilding" by Mike McClintock.  
This book has a small chapter that includes earth shelters tward its 
end.  It contains a list of several books incluuding:

Build it Underground, David Carter (Sterling Publishing

Constructing Earth Sheltered Housing with Concrete (Portland Cement 
Association, 54420 Old Orchard RD., Skokie, IL 60076

The Earth Shelter Handbook, Tri/Arch Associates (Tech/Data 
Publications, 6324 W.Fond du Lac, Milwaukee, WI

Earth Shelter Facts Sheets, Department of Energy and the Underground 
Space Center

Earth Sheltered Homes, Underground Space Center (Van Nostrand 
Reinhold)

Earth sheltered Structures, Lester L Boyer (Schoool of Architecture, 
Division of Engineering, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK 
74078)

Home in the Earth, Larry S. Chalmers, Jeremy A Jones (Cronicle Books)

and others.  

I hope this is enough to get you started.  I don't know of any web 
sites at the moment but you whould be able to get in touch with the 
Underground Space Center via the University of Minnesota.

Good Luck

Joe Beeler
beeler@waterw.com


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From naturat@sonic.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:43 EST 1996
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From: NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net>
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Carl Hansen wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 22 Mar 1996 06:29:13 GMT, walseth@europa.com (gary walseth)
> wrote:
> 
> >Can anybody direct me to sources of information on rammed earth
> >buildings?
> 
> There is, or was, a guy in Napa that does them.  Last info I had on
> him was:
> 
> David Easton
> 1350 Elm St
> Napa, CA 94559
> 707 224-2532
> 
> There was an article in the Press-Democrat (Santa Rosa) 16 Nov 91
> plugging him and his book, "Dwelling on Earth".  If you develop any
> feedback on this, keep me in mind.  I've often thought about putting
> one up.
> 
> Carl Hansen <carlh@sonic.net>


Hi Carl... I'm a local from Sonic too, and I know a little something 
about David's work....  Unfortunately he's not doing real rammed earth, 
but rather a more heavily ladden with concrete mixture that he sprays 
onto a single sided form (thereby supposidly cutting down the cost on 
forms - however the contractors I've talked to about rammed earth are 
using a new type of form that breaks down and is put up a few feet down 
the line thereby really limiting the amount of waste on forms)He is able 
to do the job though in about one day, creating a much less labor 
intensive project, however not quite as "primative" as it could be...

later
naturat@sonic.net


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The "greenest" solution would be to frame the roof of bamboo.  It's a
different technology (tying rather than nailing, curves rather than flat
pieces, probably more labor) but could be very strong and inexpensive. 
There is a conference coming up in Hawaii that I'm planning to attend May
24-26.  Email foxgolds@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu

Another solution is a panel system made of honeycombed kraft paper
laminated to plywood.  Makes a 4-6" thick sandwich that, as a floor
system, is capable of spanning 20'.  Might work in your situation only if
you're planning to have an attic to be able to insulate as these panels
are only rated to R-5.  
Bellcomb Tech. 612-521-2425
Hexagon 314-647-0701 makes the cores, but not finished panels.  They might
know someone near you as a supplier.


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italy, 23/03/96

i need the * exact* english version of the Le Corbusier phrase that
sound like this "the plan is the architecture generator" (in the
original french version you can find the phrase at page XXXVIII of
"Vers une architecture")

please reply to r.sabbatini@linknet.it

thanks in advance
Riccardo Sabbatini



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On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Riccardo Sabbatini wrote:

> italy, 23/03/96
> 
> i need the * exact* english version of the Le Corbusier phrase that
> sound like this "the plan is the architecture generator" (in the
> original french version you can find the phrase at page XXXVIII of
> "Vers une architecture")
> 
> please reply to r.sabbatini@linknet.it
> 
> thanks in advance

> Riccardo Sabbatini


Luckily you caught me inthe office wiht my books all around me.  The 
quote you want appears in several locations in the English translation, 
which is called "Towards a New Architecture" published by Dover 
Publications, Mineola, New York, 1986.  It is a facsimile of the 1931 
English version by John Rodker of London, which was a translation of the 
thirteenth French edition.

The references are as follows:

page 2 and 3: (in the section called "Argument" under the heading "Three 
Reminders to Architects" the third reminder is headed "Plan". The 
complete text is:

"The Plan is the generator.

Without a plan, you have lack of order, and wilfulness.
The Plan holds in itself the essence of sensation.
The great problems of to-morrow, dictated by collective necessities, put 
the question of 'plan' in a new form.
Modern life demands, and is waiting for, a new kind of plan, both for the 
house and the city."

This exact text is re-printed by itself on page 45, as the introduction 
to the chapter, 

"Three Reminders to Architects
	III
	Plan"

Just to be disgustingly thorough, this quote appears again twice on page 
47 in the following form:

	"...Mass and surface are the elements by which architecture manifests
	itself.  Mass and surface are determined by the plan.  The plan 
	is the generator.  So much worse for those who lackimagination."

	Third Reminder : The Plan

	The plan is the generator.
	The eye of the spectator finds itself looking at a site composed of
	streets and houses.  It receives the impact of the masses which 
	rise up around it.  If these masses are of a formal kind and have
	not been spoilt by unseemly variations, if the disposition of their
	grouping expresses a clean rhythm and not an incoherent agglomeration,
	if the relationship of mass to space is in just proportion, the 
	eye transmits to the brain co-ordinated sensations and the mind
	derives from these satisfactions of a high order : this is
	architecture."

I hope this helps...you can credit me if you publish.

By the way...where in Italy are you?  I have visited Roma, Firenze, 
Venezia, Verona, Mantova and a little in the mountains around Asolo, 
while driving to Milano.  Although everything was wonderful, I was 
particularly delighted by Verona and Asolo, and the area around Riva del 
Garda. My one visit was to see the exhibit of Scarpa's drawings at the 
Accademia in Venezia in 1984, and to follow up on some research I had 
done regarding Scarpa's Museo di Castelvecchio in Verona.  Obviously I 
fell in love with Venezia, but I was there in October, when the canals 
were not warm. One of my most vivid memories was the smell of grapes in 
the afternoon sun.

I can hardly wait to go back.  My sister's son will be studying 
art in Firenze this summer.

Buona fortuna!

Christopher Egan
Assistant Professor of Architecture
The University of Texas at San Antonio


From AR4LC@shef.ac.uk Tue Apr  2 15:24:45 EST 1996
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Greetings,

I am currently trying to learn to use Microstation with manuals and online 
help and am finding it frustrating to say the least.

If you have any experience yourself or advise on where to look for it I would 
be more than grateful.

Many thanks,

Lengai.


-- 
****************************
--WARNING ERRORS MAY OCCUR--



From fridge@gil.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au Tue Apr  2 15:24:45 EST 1996
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I am posting this for a friend in the travel agency business.

They are arranging a trip for a few architects from Australia who particularly 
want to look at designs in the Chicago area by the architect Frank LLoyd 
Wright.

Please let me know if you can steer me in the right direction to get some 
information.

Fax (617) 3398 9800 direct to Kristin Farmer at Jetset Travel, Brisbane 
Australia.

or back to me at this address.

Many thanks.   Tony Newton


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From: Steve Davis <sdavis@onthenet.com.au>
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Kathy Ging wrote:
> 
> Steve DeKoch, Dept of Architecture,
>  Univ. of Oregon, Eugene, OR   97403
> has experience designing, bldg rammed earth homes and is
> building one now, has worked with Earth WOrks in CA also.
> 
> On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, gary walseth wrote:
> 
> > Can anybody direct me to sources of information on rammed earth
> > buildings?  I have been told the Ausies are working with it quite a
> > bit......
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Gary Walseth of
> > Portland Oregon but moving to
> > Todos Santos, Baja California Sur, Mexico
> >
> >
> >Drop in to my page at http://onthenet.com.au/~sdavis/rammed.htm
-- 
All the best

Steve

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No one is useless: a person with no good qualities can always serve as a 
bad example.


From naturat@sonic.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:46 EST 1996
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From: NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net>
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Gremlin wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am looking for information about designing and building an underground
> home. I know the advantages of having one, its just that I cannot find any
> information about how to design and build one. I have been to the local
> library and they have no information about books and organisations that
> could help me.
> 
> Does anyone out there know of:
> 
>   (a) Any relevant books.
>   (b) The Names and Addresses Of Organisations that could help.
>   (c) Any Internet sites that could help me.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Gary.
> 
> --
> The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. Amen.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again and again and again (becuase I really respect 
and admire this guy!)  go buy one or more of Malcom Wells books on the subject... or 
simply call him at 508-896-6850 and buy one of his books from him!

naturat@sonic.net


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James D. Logan wrote:
> 
> There is a two volume set about building an earth ship by the developers
> of this idea. I've seen it and checked it out from my local library. In
> the two volume set you get pretty complete drawings and details of the
> construction methods used as well as plumbing details,solar application,
> they even include the plans for Dennis Weavers Earth Ship home.
> 
> Logan

I've heard several of the Earthships had to be closed off and moved out 
of due to off-gassing but Mr. Weaver was trying to keep it hushed up... 
any info on that???

thanks naturat@sonic.net


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Fourth Annual Program of Architectural Studies in the Czech Republic:
Summer 1996
California Polytechnic Institute and State University,   San Luis Obispo


Cal Poly is, for the fourth year, offering a program of architectural
studies in the Czech cities of Prague, Brno, and Zlin.  This six week
program of studies in several categories including history, urban form,
and design, begins June 14 and ends July 28.

Instructors and guides (American and Czech architects) have all had
experience in teaching and practice in America and the Czech republic.

Registration is open to all students and professionals.  Courses can
transfer to other universities and go toward the A.I.A. continuing
education program.

The total cost of the program which includes:
 Tuition
 Housing 
 Breakfast
 Transportation Within The Czech Republic
 Tickets To Cultural Events
 Admission To Buildings (Including The Oft Inaccessible Villa Tugendhat)
is: $1750.00

Enrollment is limited to 30 persons.

Registration and Non-refundable deposit is due April 1.

For information regarding this program please contact:

Laura Joines-Novotny
Associate Professor, 
Department of Architecture
California Polytechnic Institute and State University
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e-mail:  LJOINES@aol.com
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From daniel009@aol.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:48 EST 1996
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Hello-

I am interested in the architecture of the tower houses of Yemen.  I had
an opportunity to buy a book on the subject a number of years ago, but was
on a tight budget back then and had to pass...now it's out of print.

I thought perhaps someone online might have some gif's of the Yemeni tower
homes that you would care to share.

I look forward to hearing from you!

- Daniel 
Daniel Nign III


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On Mar 23, 1996 12:23:30 in article <Re: Building With Old Tires>,
'NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net>' wrote: 
 
 
I've heard several of the Earthships had to be closed off and moved out of
due  
>to off-gassing but Mr. Weaver was trying to keep it hushed up... any info
on  
>that??? 
> 
>thanks naturat@sonic.net 
 
 
Hi 
 
I posted my intent to build using tire walls a few months ago, and received
e-mail warning me of the outgassing.  When I replied asking for more
information, the writer referred to Prescott College ( a small school in
Prescott, Az.), and I heard no more from him. 
 
I think that this is probably just someone's fear.  Used tires should be
well oxidized before being used in tire walls and they are awfully well
sealed in earth when the wall is completed. 
 
I would also be interested in hearing what others know about this. 
 
Joe


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In article <4j1ej7$l2r@lepton.startext.net>, James D. Logan writes: 
 
>    I've been looking through all the library sources on ferrocement  
>construction of both boat hulls and buildings and have been wondering if  
>gunnite would work and what the techniques would be? Where can I find the 

>equipment? Can it be rented. What about cost estimation? Any ideas or  
>sources would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
>James Logan 
 
Gunnite works *great*, and *has* been used. Roger Dean has some nice
chapters on design possibilities using the stuff in his books Views and
Magnetic Storm, and James Hubbell, a sculptor in California profiled on
public television a couple of years ago, has been building private
dwellings using mixtures of gunnite/ferrocement and other, natural
materials. Also, I'm pretty sure just from walking through it that JFK
airport in New York City (that famous, organic-shaped terminal) must have
also been built out of gunnite. 
 
As for sources of practical information: I am as woefully clueless as you.
Hey, everybody, send me what you send James? And James, any useful leads
you could e-mail me would be appreciated. Thanks a million. 
 
P.S. Try the swimming-pool manufacturing industry for rental of equipment.
(Yes, it can be rented; it consists of a compressor that "spits" fairly dry
concrete onto/into your chicken-wire framework, which you can then trowel
smooth.) 
 
-------------------- 
Illegitimi non carborundum! 
 
David Heizer 
New York City


From tyas@so.net.id Tue Apr  2 15:24:50 EST 1996
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Iam a student of Parahyangan University, Indonesia. I am designing a 
kind of MEDIA SCHOOL for my final  thesis.We have no centralized place 
for school of art/ music/ films/ dance/ photography, etc, here in 
Indonesia.

I need to know anything about the school/ course place/ hall of 
exhibition, as samples and referenses; especially on the architectural 
design, buildings, studios, layout of the spaces and rooms, the function 
of them.

Would anybody like to help me on this? Or there maybe books/catalogs on 
that? Please send me the informations.


Thank you, I appreciate your help very much.


Tyas
tyas@so.net.id


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I,m looking a library that contains cars for architectural purpose

With thanks Frans



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If I understand the requirements properly:
try an I beam 8x18.4
load 1000# concentrated at center of 30' span
deflection 1"
required I=44.83    actual 56.9
required S=4.76      actual 14.2
My best guess, suggest you verify this with structural engineer.
Let me know what else you find out !!


From corn@aloha.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:51 EST 1996
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In article <4j7sov$30f@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ddarreld@aol.com (DDarrelD) says:
>
>Another solution is a panel system made of honeycombed kraft paper
>laminated to plywood.  Makes a 4-6" thick sandwich that, as a floor
>system, is capable of spanning 20'.  Might work in your situation only if
>you're planning to have an attic to be able to insulate as these panels
>are only rated to R-5.  

I'm not sure of the viability of this material for a earth roof system.  
Is the kraft paper coated with some kind of resin?  In the event of a roof
leak, would the paper lose it's structural strengh?

Chad Okinaka, AIA


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"CurlyIndy"   Good try but you goofed.  For a W10x12 the maximum Lc (The
length at which you can use 0.66Fy) is only 3.9 feet and the maximum Lu
(the length at which you can use 0.6Fy is only 4.3 feet).  Since it's
unlikely to be braced laterally you have to design for an unsupported
length of 30 feet, for which the lightest satisfactory section is W5x19.

Give the guy the phone number for a good structural engineer next time.
Ronald M. Roberts, P.E.
Structural Engineer
17503 NE 137th Street
Redmond, WA  98052-2182
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From ewatson@iafrica.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:52 EST 1996
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steveh1491@aol.com (SteveH1491) wrote:
> 
> Title:       Through a glass lightly. (aerogels, transparent materials
>              more insulating than glass and almost as light as air)
> Citation:    The Economist, Oct 8, 1988 v309 n7571 p85(2)
> 
> CONSIDER a transparent material that is 100 times more insulating than
> glass, and almost as light as air. It is hard to imagine, but has proved
> not impossible to make. It is being sold by Airglass, a small Swedish
> firm that will seek customers among makers of solar panels for heating
> water. The panels are only the beginning. After more than 50 years in
> the laboratory, a class of materials known as aerogels is beginning to
> make its ghostly presence felt.
> 


If these aerogels are so thermally efficient there would be
considerable interest from cold climate builders - large heat
loss in domestic facilities occur via glass conduction, even in
the double glazing scenario's

So lets hear more if this is more.....


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to help me convert one townhouse into three.

Sheila
523-5900


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For serious groups only. 
Please contact:

Karen Lustrup


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>...Better yet, make a 16' wide x 16' long x 16' tall cube with 4 of these
>16 x 8 x 8' boxes, using 2 16' long x 8' tall site-built EPDM collectors on
>the south face, 2 6 gpm pumps each having an 8' head capability, and 4
>internal water cavities, each about 13' long x 6' wide x 6' deep, to store
>15,000 gallons of water at 130 F, ie 6 million Btu of usable solar heat for
>a nearby solar house for a cloudy month. This might be nice under a 16' x 16'
>walkout deck, on the west side of a house, or as a house foundation... 

Still thinking about how to build this, and how well it would work. Suppose
the bale walls were R40, and the average temp in December were 36 F, and the
average sun on a south wall were 1,000 Btu ft^2/day, augmented 50% by ground
reflection. Then our 16' cube with water at temp T inside might receive about 

Ein =  16' x 16' x 1,000 x 1.5 = 384K Btu/day, and lose, over an average day, 

Eout = 6 hr (T-36) 256 ft^2/R1  from the south wall, daytime 
    + 18 hr (T-36) 256 ft^2/R40 from the south wall, at night
    + 24 hr (T-36) 256 ft^2 x 4/R40 from ENW walls and roof, all day

     = (1536 + 115.2 + 614.4) (T-36) = 2265.6 (T-36), so if Ein = Eout,

T = 36 + 384K/2265.6 = 205.5 F. This looks good, but it probably won't get
that warm without a selective surface in the solar collector. On the
other hand, iron oxide is a somewhat selective surface...

We might start out with a straw bale box. My neighbor Ray Lehman sells rye
straw bales about 16" wide x 16" deep x 3' long for $1.75 each, delivered,
and rodents are not fond of rye straw, from what I hear. He also has some
4' tall and 4' wide and 8' long bales... Each of the 4 cube modules would be
16' wide x 8' deep (or 8" deeper, since the internal wall of the completed
cube would only be 1 bale wide) x 8' tall, and one bale thick all round. The
bottom would be about 5 bales long x 6 bales deep, ie 30 bales, the south wall
would be 5 bales long x 5 bales high, another 25 bales, and the east and west
walls would each be about 3 bales long x 5 bales high, 85 bales total, at a
cost of about $150. Now we need an EPDM rubber liner, something like this:

                                      |             30'             | 
EPDM comes in 20' wide rolls.   ---     .     .             .     .
The liner might cost 28 cents         2'.  6' .     14'     .  6' . 2'
per square foot, ie another $150      ..U.....L.............L.....U..
or so. It would be folded up            .     .             .     . 
like a Chinese takeout box      19'     .     .           7'.     .
inside the straw box, so it             .     .             .     .
would have no seams. The points       ..U.....L.............L.....U..
marked L here would be the              .     .           6'.     .
bottom 4 inside corners of the  ---     .     .             .     .
straw box. The rubber would 
fold over along a NW crease at points U to lay flat on the upper edge of
the bale sides... The EW upper edges of the rubber would be clamped in a
2x4 sandwich along the top edge of the NW walls. The liner might want to be
a vinyl swimming pool liner, not EPDM, if this is potable, eg rainwater.
(BTW, this ascii sketch makes more sense if seen in a non-proportional font,
eg courier on a Mac.) 

This sides of the box need some reinforcement to hold back the water pressure.
The sideways water pressure at the bottom of the box would be about 60 pounds
per square foot, diminishing to 0 psf at the top, so an 8' vertical wall stud
on 4' centers would have a total load of 960 pounds, distributed towards the
bottom of the stud. Using simple uniform load beam formulas, we might design
the studs with

L = 8' span,
f = 1000 psi, max fiber stress in bending,
w = 30 psf uniform load,
oc = 4' on center spacing,
W = w x oc x L = 960 pounds total load,
M = W x L x 12/8 = 11520 in-lb bending moment,
S = M/f = 11520/1000 = 11.5 in^3 section modulus,
b = 1.5" beam width, and 
d = sqrt(6S/b) = 2.76" beam depth, so a 2 x 4 may work...

Something also needs to keep the box from becoming a circle, as we look at it
>from  above, eg some some perimeter sill plates, perhaps with a dacron rope
crossing the box NS in the middle at ground level on top of the vapor barrier,
connecting the plates.

Now, how do we make the vertical EPDM rubber collectors? Perhaps fold a 16'
long piece of 20' EPDM rubber in half, to make a U with a 16' crease at the
bottom, leaving 2' of rubber sticking out on one long side, to overlap the
north top edge of the bale wall. Then assemble the wall, screwing 2 horizontal
16+' long pieces of 4' wide, 26 gauge sheet metal to the insides of the studs,
leaving a 3" bulge in each 4' cavity, and attach the outer top edge of the
rubber to the top edge of the 16' long x 8' high stud wall, and tilt it up.
Then caulk the EW vertical edges of the rubber bladder on the inside, attach
a pipe to the top and bottom edges, and squeeze them together in a wood
sandwich, somehow attaching the sheet metal firmly as well, so that when the
wall is tilted up, and the top edges of the bladder are also sealed in a
sandwich, the rubber bladder will contain an inch of water from south to north
when filled, and attach a single layer of polyethylene plastic to the north
sides of the 2x4s.

The bottom edge of the tank might look something like this:

                     glazing     |metal epdm
                           ^     ^      ^
                           g     |me    e         
                           g     |meeeeee           
                           g-----|m-----            straw
                           | 2x4 |m 2x4 |
                          -|     |m     |-
                        =| | B O |m L T | | 
			  -      |m     |-
                           |     |m     |
........................... -----  ----- ...............................


How thick would the metal sheet have to be? A 1" strip near the bottom would
have to support a side load of about 8' * .43 psi/ft x 48", or 160 pounds,
over a 4' distance. If it were made of 40K psi steel, with an intentional 3"
bulge in the middle, the left and right sides of the strip would each have a
tension of about 24/3" x 160/2 = 640 pounds, so the metal would have to be
about 640/40K = 0.016" thick, ie 1/64th of an inch thick. It would have to be
carefully attached to the 2 x 4 sandwich, with lots of screws and washers...

The inner horizontal layer of this tank might have a large piece of EPDM
rubber covering the whole straw structure, from outside edge to outside edge
in both directions, with the rubber drooping about a foot down into the tank
to rest on top of the water. One might then put top support floor joists
on the tank walls on 2' centers, on top of that rubber, the kind that look
like this:

                            |             ~8'              |
                      ---   ................................
                      ~1'       .                      .
                      ---        ......................

		                |         ~7'          |,

with some plywood or OSB on top of that to hold up the tank above. The second
story walls would take about 55 more bales. The top tank roof might have the
space around these floor joists filled with polystyrene beads.

Yes there are a few more details here :-) If this box were also used for
sewage treatment, it might have only a single layer of rubber covering the
north side of the straw, with a small aerobic wastewaterfall leaking over the
14' north side of the tank, to trickle down the rubber, which would take a
little more pump power. We could also use more details about some good way
to heat the water directly with sun-warmed air, with some sort of fins under
the water tank, to remove the heat from the air and conduct it to the water
via some sort of thermally-conductive surface under the rubber, eg ferrocement
over some chicken wire and straw, or a corrugated iron layer with a layer of
concrete poured on top, so we don't have to build this EPDM solar collector.

Nick

     When we play tennis or walk down stairs, we are actually solving
     whole pages of differential equations, quickly, easily, and
     without thinking about it, using the analogue computer which we
     keep in our minds. What we find difficult about mathematics is
     the formal, symbolic presentation of the subject by pedagogues
     with a taste for dogma, sadism and incomprehensible squiggles.

		  from _Structures: Or Why Things Don't Fall Down_
			by J. E. Gordon, a Da Capo Press paperback


From masimo@netcom.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:55 EST 1996
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I have land in No. California with a lot of Pacific Madrone on it.
I have noticed that there are quite a few trees deeper in the
forest that have relatively straight branches that would be suitable
for posts in the gazebo I plan to build.  I'm curious to know if
anyone has used madrone wood in this manner.

I'm also considering using one of the larger and more widely branched
trees as a site for a treehouse.  Any warnings or experience on this?

Thanks,

Mike
-- 
Mike Maas 						(510) 658-0487
Masimo Consulting 					2701 Woolsey
specializing in Sybase DBA Issues and Data Recovery 	Berkeley, CA 94705-2606


From jon.arnett@csmart.gate.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:55 EST 1996
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Hello, I am researching rammed earth, straw bale and cinva ram block
construction.  I have requested information from Rammed Earth Works, The
Canelo Project and Shraeder Bellows, but I need information pertaining
to Florida.  Does anyone know of any building in Florida built with
these alternative methods?  I am looking for a simple and inexpensive
building method for my church.  Any information will be most helpful.
Thank you.


From naturat@sonic.net Tue Apr  2 15:24:56 EST 1996
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Joe Hindorff wrote:
> 
> On Mar 23, 1996 12:23:30 in article <Re: Building With Old Tires>,
> 'NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net>' wrote:
> 
> 
> I've heard several of the Earthships had to be closed off and moved out of
> due
> >to off-gassing but Mr. Weaver was trying to keep it hushed up... any info
> on
> >that???
> >
> >thanks naturat@sonic.net
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I posted my intent to build using tire walls a few months ago, and received
> e-mail warning me of the outgassing.  When I replied asking for more
> information, the writer referred to Prescott College ( a small school in
> Prescott, Az.), and I heard no more from him.
> 
> I think that this is probably just someone's fear.  Used tires should be
> well oxidized before being used in tire walls and they are awfully well
> sealed in earth when the wall is completed.
> 
> I would also be interested in hearing what others know about this.
> 
> Joe


I know of the school you speak of... drove past it and had a friend that 
went their that I met while at Arcosanti, but for the life of I can't 
remember the schools name and the guy I used to know has moved on... I 
got this info on out gassing from a coworker who used to work building 
the Earthships.

But I've always been looking for a little hard evidence.


naturat


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Subject: Re: Help with Rammed Earth
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 04:32:52 -0500
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Carl Hansen wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 23 Mar 1996 12:16:12 -0500, NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net>
> wrote:
> 
> That's interesting,  David must have changed his method; seems like I
> remember some literature maybe 10 years ago showing forms.  Maybe not.
> The sprayed method sounds like what they did at Canine Companions
> although the PD said it was some kind of plasticised mixture I think.
> Have you seen that?  Tried to get info from Codding Const - obtuse as
> usual - gave up trying.
> 
> >forms - however the contractors I've talked to about rammed earth are
> >using a new type of form that breaks down and is put up a few feet down
> >the line thereby really limiting the amount of waste on forms
> 
>  Any examples around Santa Rosa/Sonoma I could have a look at?
> 
> Bye,
> 
> Carl Hansen <carlh@sonic.net>All of his stuff that I know of is out in Napa... but would make a nice 
Sunday drive (if he wouldn't charge you to look)   Where is the Canine 
Companion building of which you speak???  Other than that I found a book 
on adobe homes of someone in Sebastopol who built his own place and 
wrote a strange little book about it in the 70's.  The only other place 
I know of is down near Freemont... a movie theater I think just off the 
freeway, but they have a lot of trouble with it with leaks and what not.

nature


From steveh1491@aol.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:57 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Aerogels - alternative uses - windows/insulation
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I didn't want to post the whole article due to a little something we like
to call "copyright laws," but I was hoping to hear from anyone who was
using the stuff.  It sounds massively useful, even revolutionary.  I hope
you look up the article if it sounds promising.

According to the article it can be cast into panels or spun into a
weavable thread.  It soaks up toxic chemicals, and might possibly be used
as a completely safe insecticide (bugs eat it and die when the stuff
sponges up all their inner moisture).


From paulc@bangate.compaq.com Tue Apr  2 15:24:57 EST 1996
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In article <4j9aej$dt0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> curlyindy@aol.com (Curlyindy) writes:
>From: curlyindy@aol.com (Curlyindy)
>Subject: Re: " I " beam size needed
>Date: 26 Mar 1996 12:44:51 -0500

>Let's get down to it:
>Assuming 'I' beam means a steel beam and the loading condition is truely
>1000 lbs on a 30 ft span, Use a W10x12 .

Can someone provide a "decoder" for the above designation i.e. W10x12?
My engineer put some beams on my house plan at W12x22 and W12x30 and I am 
curious as to the actual size.

paulc@bangate.compaq.com


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I've been intrigued by insects and how they use a mixture of local
materials such as wood fiber or mud mixed with saliva to create cells.  I
am wondering whether a lesson could be learned in combining concrete with
epoxies and small aggregates similar to shotcrete but with the reinforcing
integral to the mix.
Perhaps a combination of fiberglass or steel fibers such as are used today
would work.  Thin shell concrete structures can be very thin when put into
compression although the ACI primarily references the design of them to
other sources.  I am thinking of a shotcrete like application linked with
a semi-fast setting foam like substance which would have good compressive
qualities of concrete. Since the mix would be fast setting, one could
build-up a form/structure on the fly.  Domes in the mideast are made of
mortar and bricks laid in a spiraling fashion so as not to need formwork. 
Insulating the dome could be done with spray insulation or, if pourous
enough, integral with the structure.  Waterproofing could be epoxy paint
if viscous enough.

Responses appreciated. 


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In article <4isnq5$a5p@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, steveh1491@aol.com (SteveH1491) writes...
>Has anyone here considered using aerogels in solar heating and power
>applications?  I ran across an intriguing article about them (first
>paragraph reproduced below).  They appear to be highly efficient solar
>collectors, and I shouldn't think would be too expensive.  The article
>goes on to claim that collectors using aerogels are so efficient that
>water can actually be brought to a boil from ambient sunshine, which would
>put non-photovoltaic solar applications into an entirely new class of
>usefulness.
> 
> 
Aerogels are not necessary to boil water with ambient sunlight, a solar oven
can do this with just a plastic bag as insulation (no glass).

Regarding aerogels, it is my understanding that they are still very expensive
and can only be used in limited applications because of their fragility.

There is more information on aerogels on the Berkeley home page.

/carl


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A directory of architectural illustrators is up at http://www.rfassoc.com/idai This site includes 
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From dbcon@telepac.pt Tue Apr  2 15:25:00 EST 1996
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From: Dieter Brand <dbcon@telepac.pt>
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Subject: Rammed Earth Restoration
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Hello,

I'm about to restore a small one storey rammed earth structure. 
The walls are about 16 inches thick and have no coating at all. 
I'm not sure about when it was built, I would say about 30 to 
50 years ago. The inside surface of the wall is in very good 
condition and just needs a lime/sand coating. 

I don't know what to do about the outside surface. It has been 
washed out by about 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch, judging by the larger 
pebbles protruding from the wall. Does anybody have an opinion
whether to use a lime/sand or a cement/sand coating and in what
proportion? Or is there a better way?

There are the occasional showers, but rain is not a primary 
concern. Large variations in air humidity, ranging from very
humid winters to very dry summers are more important. Consequently,
the capacity of the clay wall to absorb and give off humidity 
is very important.

Any advice welcome.

Thanks,

Dieter Brand 
dbcon@telepac.pt





From syllabus@intergate.bc.ca Tue Apr  2 15:25:01 EST 1996
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For your information...The RAIC Syllabus offers a professional Diploma in 
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From fkidd@vnet.net Tue Apr  2 15:25:01 EST 1996
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Kathy Ging <kging@efn.org> wrote:

>Steve DeKoch, Dept of Architecture,
> Univ. of Oregon, Eugene, OR   97403
>has experience designing, bldg rammed earth homes and is 
>building one now, has worked with Earth WOrks in CA also.

>On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, gary walseth wrote:

>> Can anybody direct me to sources of information on rammed earth
>> buildings?  I have been told the Ausies are working with it quite a
>> bit......
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Gary Walseth of
>> Portland Oregon but moving to
>> Todos Santos, Baja California Sur, Mexico

Also try:

http://curry.edschool.virginia.edu/Avenue/Community/Environ/YellowMtn/workshop/ramearth/tour..html

http://onthenet.com.au/~sdavis/rammed.htm


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From phil@noki.demon.co.uk Tue Apr  2 15:25:02 EST 1996
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From: Phill <phil@noki.demon.co.uk>
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Hello does any know of anyone who would be interested in buying some
customized railings.

Description.
Manufacture: Andy Thornton Halifax Yorkshire England
Style:       ATA 10 ATA 20.

There are a total of 80 Balustrades approching 100 yards.
Original design drawings can be up load to anyone interested in look at
them in closer detail, also pictures of the finished articles are
available. These units are for sale due to a buying error.

Thanks
-- 
Phill


From kral@hpl.hp.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:02 EST 1996
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In article <masimoDp0GJw.H6p@netcom.com>,
Michael Maas <masimo@netcom.com> wrote:
>I have land in No. California with a lot of Pacific Madrone on it.
>I have noticed that there are quite a few trees deeper in the
>forest that have relatively straight branches that would be suitable
>for posts in the gazebo I plan to build.  I'm curious to know if
>anyone has used madrone wood in this manner.
>

I don't think Madrone has particularly good decay resistance. If you want
your gazebo to last more than a few years, you might consider using
something else.  Madrone has a very high shrinkage rate on drying and
therefore tends warp and split alot. As for a tree house in a living tree,
should be OK.





From mike@complexity.org Tue Apr  2 15:25:03 EST 1996
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Announcing a Straw Bale presentation to be held at Boise State University on April 2nd at 1:00.  It will be by 
Ann Edminster an architect who is very familiar with straw bale construction.  If you have any question 
contact me at the address below.

Regards,

Michael
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From: John Lane <lane@cpd.ubc.ca>
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Subject: Re: rollin shower
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If the lip is only a half inch (I believe I recall that from the original 
post, that I have lost) then why can't this be solved quite simply by 
beveling the lip? 4 to 6 inches of run should do quite nicely for a 
gently sloped surface .......am I missing something?

John Lane
UBC



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From webarch@kern.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:06 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: " I " beam size needed
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In <paulc.30.000AB846@bangate.compaq.com>, paulc@bangate.compaq.com (Paul R. Culley) writes:
>In article <4j9aej$dt0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> curlyindy@aol.com (Curlyindy) writes:
>>From: curlyindy@aol.com (Curlyindy)
>>Subject: Re: " I " beam size needed
>>Date: 26 Mar 1996 12:44:51 -0500
>
>>Let's get down to it:
>>Assuming 'I' beam means a steel beam and the loading condition is truely
>>1000 lbs on a 30 ft span, Use a W10x12 .
>
>Can someone provide a "decoder" for the above designation i.e. W10x12?
>My engineer put some beams on my house plan at W12x22 and W12x30 and I am 
>curious as to the actual size.

W12 is a rough designation of the depth of the beam. (12") The W means that
it is a Wide Flange member (as opposed to the older, S or standard I beam)
the x22 and x30 refer to the weight per foot of the beams i.e. 22 pounds and 
30 pounds.

The rolls used to make these beams are adjusted to make the flanges thicker
or thinner depending on the strength (weight) needed. To keep things simple,
the web connecting the two flanges is a constant depth. Thus, there is some 
variation in overall depth of these members (the extreme case is a w14x730
which is 22.5" deep)


>paulc@bangate.compaq.com


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From nimud@lasvegas-nexus.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:06 EST 1996
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In article <Dp1ECD.F7C@hpl.hp.com>, kral@hpl.hp.com (Joseph Kral) wrote:

>In article <masimoDp0GJw.H6p@netcom.com>,
>Michael Maas <masimo@netcom.com> wrote:
>>I have land in No. California with a lot of Pacific Madrone on it.
>>I have noticed that there are quite a few trees deeper in the
>>forest that have relatively straight branches that would be suitable
>>for posts in the gazebo I plan to build.  I'm curious to know if
>>anyone has used madrone wood in this manner.

Makes great firewood!

Harris Lowenhaupt
Cast Earth
Nickel Laterites
nimud@lasvegas-nexus.com
702-294-1132


From david.newton@symbios.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:08 EST 1996
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From: Dave Newton <david.newton@symbios.com>
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Hola,
   Any recommended readings on ferrocement techniques/tips/tools? I'm very
interested in building both a greenhouse and small mountain cabin using
ferrocement techniques. My biggest questions revolve around window framings
and wiring/plumbing.

   TIA

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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:09 EST 1996
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A PV friend says: 

>I've been dreaming of suspending an array in between two trees
>at about the 90' level...

With ropes going east and west? That seems interesting, 3/4 up those tall
trees 300' to the south of your house, with some nylon ropes running north
and south to the ground from the bottom? Seems like this would usually lead
to shading by other trees, if not falling branches, etc. I would like to
build a treehouse, a large one for living in, even. I traded some letters 
with serious treehouse people years ago, one a prof in North Carolina.

Suppose the PV structure had some internal volume and a floor, with a rope
ladder for courageous children attached to safety ropes. We might insulate that
volume and put some thermal mass inside, eg a few batteries surrounded by an
air gap and insulation, to capture some of the other 90% of the sun's heat...

For two axis tracking, suppose it were supported from above at three points,
with a fixed rope at the top on the north side going up and north to a tree,
another at the north bottom center going to the ground, and two more going up
SE and SW from the EW upper south corners, said ropes being attached to two
small DC reversible winches or garage door openers inside the treehouse. A
rope ladder hanging from the south side deck would make this more stable. To
point east, crank in the west rope and let out the east rope, and vice versa
to point west. To tilt the array upwards, crank in both ropes. To tilt it down
towards the south horizon, let out both ropes. Picture a 4' x 4' x 8' shed,
with a reflective front porch and a 1:2 roof sloping up to the south and a
reflective overhang. It might look like this:

         from the east                from the south front

     \         8'                \             12'           /
       .                           .........................
       .   .   ^                   . .                   . .
       .       .                   .   .................   .
       .       .   .               .   .       8'      .   . 6'
       .       .       .           .   .             4'.   .
       .       .     PV. 2'        .   .      P V      .   .
       .................           .........................
           4'      4'    \                     l
       l                                       4'
                                           .........   
       l                                  .    PV   .
                                         .           .
       l                                .             .
                                       .       .       .    8'
       l                              .                 .
                                     .                   .
       l                            .                     .
                                   .........................
       l                         /                           \
                                          from the top

This would have a PV area of 8 ft^2 and a frontal area of 72 ft^2 with
a concentration ratio of 9, so the peak sun power would be 6.5 kW. How
would we cool it? Perhaps make the PVs the back of an thin aquarium tank,
with the sun shining through a little water, and a radiator above.

How big a radiator? Say the PVs collect 650 watts peak, with a solar energy
input of 5.5 kWh/m^2/day in July in Seattle, ie 36.8 kWh of solar energy in,
and 3.68 kWh/day of electrical energy out. The difference is 33.1 kWh/day.
That is the heat we need to deliberately waste. The average temperature in
Seattle in July is 18.4 C. Suppose we want to keep the average PV temp
at 28.4 C. The average windspeed is 3.5 m/s, or 7.8 mph. So assuming we
have enough water to store the heat for 24 hours, we have to waste 33.1 kWh
of heat, about the same as the heat in a gallon of oil, in 24 hours, with a
10 C temperature rise, or 138 watts/degree C, or 261 Btu/hr/degree F. A smooth
174 ft^2 surface or rough 130 Ft^2 surface would do that with no wind, as
would 44 ft^2 of rough surface exposed to the wind, or the wind from an
exhaust fan to the north on a calm day. Or we might try to evaporate about
0.005 gallons (0.7 oz.) per minute of water by slowly pumping it up to the
ridge peak and letting it trickle back down into the tank, or let some
rainwater flow thru the tank. 

How much water would we need to store that heat? 33.1 kWh will heat 6720
pounds of water 10 degrees C. Perhaps we should try to get rid of most of
the heat in real time, and cover the backs of the PVs with fins and such. 

It would be interesting if we could turn this structure around to the north,
swing the PVs out of the way with a linear actuator, say, and scoop up some
wind to flow through the exhaust fan at night, or on a cloudy day, to make
more electrical power.

With a couple of batteries inside and an inverter, we could run 110 or
240VAC wires up the north rope and back to the house. 

The rope ladder might not touch the ground. It might just end in a large
weight, say 3' above the ground, to make a large and interesting pendulum
with a period of about 5 seconds. If the rope ladder slanted up to the
treehouse from the south, we might add two more ropes to the ground to the
NW and NE and enclose the EW sides of the tetrahedron between the treehouse
and the ground, eg with dacron sailcloth, or burlap/cement, and put a wind
turbine on the ground at the south lee corner, just north of the base of
the rope ladder, to make a big north-facing windscoop (and snowscoop--we
might make the EW sides transparent, or enclose the north side too, and make
another house, barn, or solar closet and sunspace underneath, parking a car
or a tractor under the PV shed, or storing some hay or animals... 

A PV shed on top of a flat roof in a city might be suspended from the point
of a tetrahedral frame made with 6 poles, with some sandbags at the corners.

Suspending a real solar house from a 3-cornered manmade arch this way would be
interesting. It wouldn't have to be very high off the ground to let the house
track the sun, altho a 3-cornered St Louis-type arch would be nice :-), and
that might also serve as the house foundation... Electric and water might
enter the house with flexible lines from the top, with the house rotating no
more than 360 degrees, perhaps facing north on summer days. 
 
It might be less expensive to suspend the house from 3 telephone poles,
like this, seen from the top:
                                          s
                                          .
                                          .
                                          .
                                          p
                                          .
                                          .
                                          .
                                          H
                                        .   .
                                      .       .
                                    .           .
                                  p               p
                                .                   .
                              .                       . 
                            s                           s
     
                            
and like this from the side:      p       p       p
                                . p   .   p   .   p .
                              .   p       H       p   .
                   .........s.....p.......p.......p.....s............
                            s                           s

The poles might each hold up about 30K lbs from the weight of the house
and another 30K pounds or so from the guy wires, so each pole would need
a 30 ft^2 footing, perhaps, and at 50 K psi, the steel cables would need
to be about 1" diameter. Big nylon or dacron ropes might work instead of
the steel cables. The wood of the poles would probably hold the weight in
compression parallel to the grain, but the poles should probably be cemented
on the outside, over wire reinforcement, to make them more durable and
increase their polar moment of inertia, so they aren't so inclined to buckle.
Tilting the poles out a bit would make the guy wires smaller. Tilting them in
so they touch would help too, but that doesn't leave much room for the house.

Althernatively, the house might be held up by a geodesic telephone pole
structure, 20 poles, each 30' long (connected by what, ropes thru holes in
the poles? Bolts, and steel plates. Lots of chicken wire and cement?) This
would be about 150' in circumference, about 50' in diameter (if the poles 
poles were curved and pi were 3) and about 40' tall at the central point.
Adding 5 more poles on the ground would solve the footing problem, and make
a nice berm for the EPDM rubber reflecting pond and wastewater treatment
facultative lagoon, with a small fountain. Enclosing the whole thing in
polyethylene film might be nice. Un gout special.

What would the building inspector say? Perhaps not much about safety,
if the house were only 6" above the ground.

What would the architect say ("THAT doesn't look like a house!" :-)

What would the health department say?

What would the neighbors say?

What would the bank say?

Or... the house could be floated on a shallow pool. A 30 x 30' two story
house might weigh 100 psf, requiring a 2' deep pool, taking some or all of
the load off the telephone poles. 

We could try this out with a prefab 8 x 12' shed, with PVs mounted on the
south wall, a reflective south deck and an overhang, and reflective wings,
sitting in a pool made with a 20' x 20' piece of EPDM rubber over a 2' tall
perimeter earth berm. The pond corners might point to compass directions,
and the shed might have a 12' rope from the center of the south wall to the
south pond corner. We might mount two winches or garage door openers at the
EW corners of the north wall of the shed, high up, connected to ropes to the
EW pond corners, for treehouse-type two axis tracking, tilting the shed back
to the north to point it up into the sky. The shed might have a waterproof
skirt coming 2' up the walls on the outside, made from a single piece of
EPDM rubber. So might a modular home... With all that water around it,
PV cooling should be easy. One might even want to solar heat the house.

>The sun hits the tops of the trees at 6 am or so, and doesn't hit the PVs
>I have now for several hours after that. It just becomes a question of how
>much it costs in money and aesthetics to put them up there, and how much
>more vulnerable they become.

A small PV tracking treehouse, 90' up, could be delightful. It might have
a few mirrors or a bit of stained glass to glint onto your house, 300' to
the north. Some wind chimes, perhaps, or some propellors and generators on
the guy wires. With the right combination of strong and elastic ropes and
mass and damping, vulnerability should not be a problem. It wouldn't be very
expensive either. Small DC winches cost less than $200. Some people use
$150 Sears radio-controlled garage door openers to haul out boats. 

Nick



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For a W12x22 and W12x30 the decoder is:
WAAxBB where:
W=wide flange (you can have C for channels, MC for misc channels, L for
angle etc.
AA=depth in inches (nominal, actual depths vary by fractions of an inch)
BB=weight in lbs per foot

So a W12x22 is a Wide Flange steel beam, 12" deep, and weighs 22 lbs/ft.  
     a W12x30 is the same but weighs 30 lbs per foot.

roughly, steel costs about $0.50 / lb so a 10 ft long W12x22 would cost
$110


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masimo@netcom.com (Michael Maas) wrote:

>I have land in No. California with a lot of Pacific Madrone on it.
>I have noticed that there are quite a few trees deeper in the
>forest that have relatively straight branches that would be suitable
>for posts in the gazebo I plan to build.  I'm curious to know if
>anyone has used madrone wood in this manner.

Madrone (or Arbutus, as us Canajuns call it), gets quite hard after it
is cut and dries, but is relatively soft when first cut.  Some people
use it for carving, because the grain is quite even.  One problem,
however, is that it splits badly, because of differential drying.  I
understand that there is a treatment one can apply that will slow down
the drying and prevent splitting.
I don't know anything about its structural capabilities.  Heck . . .
there isn't an Arbutus/Madrone within a thousand miles (well, maybe
several hundred) of where I live, but we do have lots on our island
holiday property.
Rod Keith



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From: "Brian A. Rock" <barock@ukans.edu>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:49:35 -0800
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Harald Wolf wrote:
> 
> Anybody have any suggestions on how to get up to speed on ground
> and water source heat pumps "real quick"?
> 
> I guess I need a good primer on the basic technology, and pointers
> on who is doing it and researching it.
> 
> TIA
> --
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Lots of research done at Oklahoma State University.  You'll find much of 
the literature in ASHRAE Transactions and ASME publications.

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From chad_b@wcla.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:12 EST 1996
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From: Chad Berreau <chad_b@wcla.com>
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Subject: Re: Building With Old Tires
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NatureRat wrote:
> 
> Joe Hindorff wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 23, 1996 12:23:30 in article <Re: Building With Old Tires>,
> > 'NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net>' wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've heard several of the Earthships had to be closed off and moved out of
> > due
> > >to off-gassing but Mr. Weaver was trying to keep it hushed up... any info
> > on
> > >that???
> > >
> > >thanks naturat@sonic.net
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I posted my intent to build using tire walls a few months ago, and received
> > e-mail warning me of the outgassing.  When I replied asking for more
> > information, the writer referred to Prescott College ( a small school in
> > Prescott, Az.), and I heard no more from him.
> >
> > I think that this is probably just someone's fear.  Used tires should be
> > well oxidized before being used in tire walls and they are awfully well
> > sealed in earth when the wall is completed.
> >
> > I would also be interested in hearing what others know about this.
> >
> > Joe
> 

> 
> But I've always been looking for a little hard evidence.
> 
> naturat


No matter how much outgassing the tire gave prior to use in this 
structural situation, it would seem that each tire would still have an 
amount of gas it hasn't given off.  Provided there was a "gas" to begin 
with.  

The current building trend in homes is to build structure that are "air 
tight"  The risk involved in this type of construction pertains to the 
cycling of air through these livable spaces.  Without factoring this 
into the building equation it would be hard for me to think of tire 
walls as being safe for habitation.  And the notion that throwing a 
bunch of dirt on the tires will resolve the out gassing situation is 
purely a naive notion.  Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it 
doesn't exist.  Furthermore where does Rayon gas enter a home.  Usually 
through the ground below.  Passing through material such a concrete, 
which is denser in nature than most soils.  If I were to select a soil 
to limit the rate it would have to be a heavy "clay" soil.  Even this 
wouldn't eliminate an out-gassing problem.

In conclusion, I don't say that old tire emit any harmful gas.  But, 
that common sense would state that there is a likelyhood it does.  And 
not factor a solution to alleviate the gas problem in the design of the 
structure would be fundamentally poor design.
-- 

Chad Berreau


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How thick is the wall?
Why not leave it as it is?
Might just need rain protection


From fulltilt@ccsi.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:13 EST 1996
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From: fulltilt@ccsi.com (FULLTILT)
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In article <4jbtek$c01@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, pokersheil@aol.com (PokerSheil) says:
>
>to help me convert one townhouse into three.
>
>Sheila
>523-5900

Sheila:

I am a principle in a design firm in Austin.  I know Houston very well, as
I grew up there and moved to Austin in 1988 to go to school.  A house I designed
in southeast Houston is days from completion. 

I would like to talk to you about your project.  I am in Houston frequently, and
see no reason why I couldn't offer my services to you from Austin. 

I bring a lot of energy and enthusiasm to every project.  I have experience in all
facets of design and construction, especially housing.  

I look forward to hearing from you.

Troy Kennedy
Fulltilt Design


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From: BobBuilds@gnn.com (Bob  Michaelis)
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I'm looking ofr sources and information on sustainable building and 
remodeling.  I'm particularly interested in suggestions and 
techniques for dealing with construction waste.  Thanks.



From trex@holly.colostate.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:14 EST 1996
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I seem to be having problems emailing Mr. Logan, Problems?  I am 
interested in alt home construction, mono-domes, etc.  Help?!?




From trex@holly.colostate.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:14 EST 1996
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From: "Thomas A. Rice" <trex@holly.colostate.edu>
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Hello!
     I am extremely interested in alt. building techniques, etc.  (I am 
new to the Net)  I grew up around home construction and have work in that 
field often.  Currently enrolled in degree program, with the goal of 
teaching, college level, (with five kids it's easy to see my interest in 
both alt. construc & university employment).  Please email info and 
source for MDC, etc.  I am currently experimenting with a various 
materials to create a new sprayable structural componient.  Thanks for 
your time!  Thomas



From trex@holly.colostate.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:15 EST 1996
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From: "Thomas A. Rice" <trex@holly.colostate.edu>
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Hello!
     I am extremely interested in alt. building techniques, etc.  (I am 
new to the Net)  I grew up around home construction and have work in that 
field often.  Currently enrolled in degree program, with the goal of 
teaching, college level, (with five kids it's easy to see my interest in 
both alt. construc & university employment).  Please email info and 
source for MDC, etc.  I am currently experimenting with a various 
materials to create a new sprayable structural componient.  Thanks for 
your time!  Thomas



From MDreiling@gnn.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:15 EST 1996
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From: Martin Dreiling <MDreiling@gnn.com>
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In article <4ja7mp$eqh@news-e2b.gnn.com> Bob  Michaelis wrote:

>
>I'm looking ofr sources and information on sustainable building
> and 
>remodeling.  I'm particularly interested in suggestions and 
>techniques for dealing with construction waste.  Thanks.
>

Our starting point, in the context of typical American construction,  
is aggressive design. We examine the  needs and desires of the 
client/user with a constant eye for what is already there. We place a 
lot of emphasis on examining usage patterns and immediate culture to, 
first, find ways in which lifestyle may adapt to an existing place.

We see this as a kind of micro-environmentalism: starting with the 
place: the existing habitat as the absolute. The human is seen as the 
highly adaptable and flexible entity.

So often the architectural "problem" is one of perception rather than 
reality. Owners often can't imagine their current space serving their 
perceived needs.  If we were to ask clients what quantity os space 
they need, we would typically satisfy their actual needs in half that 
space. I lose much work by showing my clients the value in what they 
already have. Oh, well.

Of course this doesn't eliminate the dumpster. We also try to 
convince builders to reuse removed materials and to place waste 
materials on a site in such a way that they can be scavenged prior to 
going in the dumpster. We deal with several builders who routinely 
recycle used fixtures. We have also found that Asian crews are much 
better at reusing materials. They tend to have a cultural bias 
against waste.





An interesting side issue: We have stumbled into some specific ADA 
work in relation to other projects and are shocked at what an 
environmental disaster the ADA can be. If done by the book, which we 
refuse to do, the ADA will be responsible for large quantities of 
solid waste.

We see businesses, cities, schools, every kind of building type 
undertaking renovations for strict compliance with the ADA.   Schools 
that were built in the fifties with some of the best construction and 
most substantial materials around are being modified to correct a 
small dimensional discrepency. Entire toilet rooms are gutted: 
structural tile, finishes, partitions, windows; all of the finest 
quality, go into the dumpster. Sinks, toilets, drinking fountains, 
rough plumbing parts, rough electrical parts; all thrown away, most 
for modifications that increase access for wheelchairs only.

Many facilities are do more than is necessary, certainly more than 
the actual user needs require, out of fear of litigation. After all, 
there is no specific code, only guidelines.

I am very curious of the environmental impact of the ADA has ever 
been compared to the actual benefits of compliance.


Martin Dreiling
Mdreiling @gnn.com
Of course that's just my opinion



From jfuture@netzone.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:16 EST 1996
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hopee@usa.pipeline.com wrote:

>        Can anyone help me figure out how to lay tile that won't constanly
> come loose and/or a way to keep water in the stall without that cumbersome
> strip.

Well, okay.  My answer seems so obvious that it must be
wrong, but:

Why do you have to use tile at all?  Why can't you use cement
with a colorant added and/or swimming pool paint (maybe add
some of those 20 dollar hand cast picture tiles for interest)?
I wouldn't have used a marble stop.  I would have made a
"speed bump" to keep the water in and also slightly inclined
the floor on all sides to the drain.  Basically what I'm
describing is the group shower at the public pool or high school
locker room.

-Susan


From lslau@jovanet.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:16 EST 1996
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ArchiCAD software for Windows/Mac for sale.

Integrated 2D/3D/walkthrough/spreadsheet software.

I have an extra copy to sell.  Original purchase from Graphisoft was $4800. Now 
Asking $2600. Includes all manuals, license transfers, etc.

Contact Leticia lslau@jovanet.com or (310)314-8680.
(I am in Los Angeles, California)


From garywalo@jaxnet.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:17 EST 1996
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From: garywalo@jaxnet.com (Gary R. Walo)
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In article <4ipipc$20c@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>, Terry <terry
cop1@shands.ufl.edu> wrote:

>To bad you're not in the Gainesville, FL area, I can't seem to find someone 
>progressive that is interested in a lower end home project.  If you know
of someone 
>available in my area please let me know.  Good luck with our move to LA!

I missed the posting of the message you are replying to. What do you need
in an architect?

Drop my a note please.

Gary

+++------+++------+++------+++------+++------+++------+++
                                Gary R. Walo, AIA 
                               BKM Architects, Inc.
                                 Jacksonville, FL
                            garywalo@jaxnet.com 
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From ay320@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Apr  2 15:25:17 EST 1996
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From: ay320@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Harald Wolf)
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Anybody have any suggestions on how to get up to speed on ground
and water source heat pumps "real quick"?

I guess I need a good primer on the basic technology, and pointers
on who is doing it and researching it.

TIA
--
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| (604) 479-9489  ux363@FreeNet.Victoria.BC.CA   for Canada!) |
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From srdawson@interlog.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:18 EST 1996
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From: srdawson@interlog.com (Scott Robert Dawson)
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NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net> wrote:

>Joe Hindorff wrote:

>> 'NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net>' wrote:
  
>> I've heard several of the Earthships had to be closed off and moved out of
>> due to off-gassing but Mr. Weaver was trying to keep it hushed up... any info
>> on that???
 
>> >thanks naturat@sonic.net
 
[snip]
 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I posted my intent to build using tire walls a few months ago, and received
>> e-mail warning me of the outgassing.
 
[snip]
 
>> I think that this is probably just someone's fear.  Used tires should be
>> well oxidized before being used in tire walls and they are awfully well
>> sealed in earth when the wall is completed.
>> 
>> I would also be interested in hearing what others know about this.
>> 
>> Joe
 
[snip]
 
>I got this info on out gassing from a coworker who used to work building 
>the Earthships.

>But I've always been looking for a little hard evidence.

>naturat
 
Hello!
 
I am following this topic with great interest because I hope to
build a self-sufficient house someday soon, and this
tire-building method may be a way to do it. 
 
I have done Web pages on an Earthship tire-wall house being built
near Bancroft, Ontario. The house is unfinished; I await its
completion with interest. 
 
The owners of the house, Chuck and Pat Potter, can be reached
through the writer Peter Benner at <pbenner@wownet.kosone.com>,
or by phone at +1 613 474 0435.
 
Web Pages: Solar Survival Architecture (SSA), the originator of
the the house designs, can be found at
<http://www.taosnet.com/earthship/>; 
other Earthship pages are at
<http://www.slip.net/~ckent/earthship/> and
<http://www.simwell.com/earthship/>, as well as my own at
<http://www.interlog.com/~srdawson/erthship.htm>. 
 
There is an Earthship mailing list also. Send mail to
<majordomo@laplaza.taos.nm.us>with a blank subject line and the
words 'subscribe earthship' as the body of the message.

There has been a lot of discussion of outgassing on the Earthship
mailing list; the SSA people pointed to a study done at the
University of Wisconsin looking at the issue:
 
------quoting their letter--------------------
 
The title of the report is (as I have it in my hands): "Use of
scrap tires in civil and environmental contruction" May 10, 1995.
Environmental Geotechnics Report No. 95-2.  Geotechnical
Engineering Program Department of Civil & Environmental
Engineering.  

*Did you know*
tires are being recomended to absorb offgasing produced by waste
water from communities, industries, and agriculture activities.


Here are some highlights from the report:

"If tires are reused as a contruction material, the unique
properties of tires can once again be exploited in a beneficial
manner (Ahmed 1993).  The benefits of using scrap tires are
particularly enhanced if they can be used to replace virgin
contruction materials made from nonrenewable resources.
Additionally, scrap tires are shown to have significant sorption
capacity for organic liquids and vapors (Park, Kim, and Edil
1993).  Recent research indicated that shredded tires do not show
any liklihood of being a hazardous waste material or of having 
adverse effects on groundwater quality (Edil and Bosscher 1992)."

"There may be some concern about lechate quality since scrap
tires are considered a waster material.  Laboratory and field
evidence available do not show any likelihood of scrap tires
being a hazardous waster or having potential for significant
adverse effects on water quality (Edil and Bossscher 1992)."

"In order to obtain an early evaluation of potential
environmental problems, duplicate EP toxicity and AFS leaching
tests were performed on tire chip samples by the State Laboratory
of Hygiene (Edil, Bosscher, and Eldin, 1990).  The duplicate
results showed excellent correlation for all substances (see
Apendix C [in report]).  These test results indicate that the
shredded automobile tire samples show no likelihood of being a
hazardous waste."

"Styrene-butadiene rubber is the most important synthetic rubber
used by the tire industry.  This material is known to absorb
large amounts of hazardous organic chamicals from the surrounding
environment (Park, Kim, and Edil, 1992). This can actually impart
certain beneficial environmental attributes to shredded tires.
In summary, shredded tires leach very small anmounts of 
substances comapared to other wastes.  By comparison to other
wastes for which leach test and environmental monitoring data are
available, the tire leach data indicate little or no likelihood
of shredded tires to have effects on ground water."

"This study indicates potential problems under either acidic or
basic conditions, i.e., if waste tires are utilized in locations
where exposure to pH is expected."

"The shredded tires appear to release no base-neutral regulated
organics, including PAH compounds that I siggested would be the
most likely substances to be extracted from tires....I suspect
that several of the substances were released from surface
coatings rather than leached from the tire material.....My
summary judgement is that the test results indicate that shredded
automobile tires leach very small amounts of substances compared
to other wastes.  The leaching behavior does not indicate that
ise of tires in earthen embankments or other structures would
constitute a threat to groundwater or surface water. The minor
amount of leaching of indicators and some metals suggests that
tires are best used in buried locations above the  water table,
rather than in surface applications or in contact with open water
bodies.  Use of shredded tires need not be restricted in ways
different from those placed on whole tires.  The test results
indicate that waste automobile tires are extremely unlikely to be
classified as a hazardous waste."

				- from a letter by Robert Grefe, State of 	
			Wisconsin in "the report".


"Desirable disposal methods [of tires] should at least include
three facets:
(1) minimum environmental impact
(2) maximum reutilization of potential resources
(3) economic feasibility"

"based upon all of these studies, it can be said that the
potential leaching of 
toxic pollutants from scrap tires is minimal"

----end of quoted letter from SSA-----------------------
 
And an engineer, Chris Kaiser, added the following letter:

-------Post to Earthship Mailing List:------------------

As an engineer, I feel the need to respond personally to the
technical content of the recent letter printed by the Toronto
Star.  This letter raises several concerns which in my judgement
are not technically valid.

I would like to preface my comments by stating that I am NOT an
earthship enthusiast, earthship owner, and am in no way
affiliated with solar survival architecture.  I AM an engineer
with training and experience in dealing with these issues who
finds the earthship concept to be an interesting and novel
approach to sustainable living.

What is "carbon black"?  The following description of "carbon
black" is found in Appendix A of the National Institute for
Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) "Pocket Guide to Chemical
Hazards": NIOSH considers "Carbon Black" to be the material
consisting of more than 80% elemental carbon in the form of
near-spherical colloidal particles and coalesced particle
aggregates of colloidal size that is obtained by the partial
combustion or thermal decomposition of hydrocarbons.  
NIOSH also classifies carbon black as a class A (known)
carcinogen.

However, to assess the risks to human health and environment
posed by the use of recycled tires in earthships, one must look
at the pathways of exposure, and the state in which this
potential contaminant exists.  The letter states that, "A tire
under proper conditions will break down into the above products."
"The proper conditions" for rubber to degrade would be:
high temperature, exposure to light, or the presence of strong
oxidizing chemicals.  None of these conditions exist when a tire
is entombed in an earthship wall surrounded by packed earth,
vapor barrier, stucco, and paint.

The argument has been made that tires must off-gas because "old
tires smell."  The reason "old tires Smell" is due to the photo
degradation of rubber.  Essentially what happens is that photons
>from  light bombard the rubber and knock atoms from the long
rubber polymer molecules.  This causes the rubber to degrade, and
smaller molecules to vaporize.  In the absence of light, this
does not happen.  Tires are not exposed to light when used in an
earthship. 

In order for the tires to affect the indoor air quality of an
earthship, the tires must off-gas vapors which must travel from
the tires, through the walls, into the living space of the
earthship.  The production of such vapors will be proportional to
the vapor pressure of the compounds producing the vapors.  The
NIOSH pocket guide lists the vapor pressure of carbon black
as "0 mm (approx)."  This is an extremely low vapor pressure.  In
other words, this chemical produces almost no vapor.  What this
means is that the potential for tires to affect indoor air
quality will be severely limited by the extremely low vapor
pressure of the source chemical.  

The letter also states, "We do not need these products leaching
into our water systems."  In order for a tire to affect water
quality, it must come into contact with water, and release
chemicals into the waster.  In a properly designed and
constructed earthship, there will be no flux of water through the
wall.  Therefore, no water will contact the tire.  In the
unlikely event that water should contact the tire, the water will
not become contaminated because carbon black is insoluble in
water (NIOSH Pocket Guide).

The letter also makes reference to the millions of dollars
private industry is spending to find "safe, environmental ways to
dispose of discarded tires."  One must consider the problems
created by discarded tires.  Once a tire is placed in an inert
environment such as a landfill it does not pose a chemical threat
to the environment.  The problem with land filling tires is
the enormous volume of discarded tires.  Landfill space is very
expensive in 1990s America, thereby making the land filling of
tires an expensive disposal alternative.  Tires also tend to
collect methane in a landfill, become negatively buoyant, and
create a physical problem in the landfill. Reusing a tire in an
earthship, where it becomes a beneficial resource, and spends its
future in an inert setting is an ideal ultimate use for discarded
tires.  Large scale private industry does not consider this to be
a viable alternative because it is not profitable to them.

In order to place the issue of tire off-gassing into perspective,
one might consider other common chemicals affecting indoor air
quality.  Formaldehyde is a chemical used in the manufacture of
textiles and carpets commonly located in the living space of
human dwellings.  It is also classified by NIOSH as a known
carcinogen.  The vapor pressure of formaldehyde is 470 kPa
at standard temperature (CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics).
This means that formaldehyde will readily travel into the
breathing space of a dwelling, especially when the source
(carpet) is located within the occupied space of a dwelling.
This is a much more direct pathway of exposure than that of
earthship tires.

One further point to be made is that the concentration of carbon
black in air can be measured, and standards for acceptable
exposure do exist.  The NIOSH recommended exposure limit (REL)
for carbon black is 3.5 mg/m^3 (ten hour time weighted average).
This is a workplace standard, so a lower value would be
appropriate for residential situations.  A study could be
performed in several earthships of varying age measuring the
by-products of rubber degradation.  These results could then be
used to perform a risk assessment of the use of tires in
earthships.  My intuition is that this risk would be several
orders of magnitude lower than the risk posed by activities such
as living in a house with new carpet, eating peanut butter,
driving a car, or smoking cigarettes. In the absence of such a
study, my personal judgement is that the risks of living in a
properly designed and constructed earthship are negligible
compared to the environmental benefits of earthship living.

That's my $.02 worth.

Chris Kaiser

Alamosa, CO

P.S.  If anyone is interested in looking into this on their own,
the CAS# for carbon black is 1333-86-4, and the RTECS# is
FF5800000.
 
-----end of quoted letter----------------
 
The indications seem to be positive, especially compared to other
pollutants in the average city. I'm waiting till the Potters get
their place built...
 
Take care,
 Scott



From mchenry@unm.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:18 EST 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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In article <315C4AC7.2C20@darkwing.uoregon.edu>, mshaf@darkwing.uoregon.edu says...
>
>I'm building a home and am looking for a "clearing house" web page for 
>sustainable materials preferrably serving the Pacific NW.
>
>cheers, shaf
>-- 
><\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\  cogito, ergo zZOooOM  /\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>
>       Michael Shaffer, R.A.     -     mshaf@oregon.uoregon.edu
>Geological Science's Electron Probe Facility at the University of Oregon 
>                http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mshaf/epmahome/
>
Hi shaf...

Check out thr home page for the AERTH ARCHITECTURE CENTER INTERNATIONAL, lots of information on adober and rammed earth information:
  http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry/

Good Luck.

P. G.(Buzz)McHenry



From mchenry@unm.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:19 EST 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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Subject: Re: Rammed Earth Restoration
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In article <4jerc0$ep3@vivaldi.telepac.pt>, dbcon@telepac.pt says...
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm about to restore a small one storey rammed earth structure. 
>The walls are about 16 inches thick and have no coating at all. 
>I'm not sure about when it was built, I would say about 30 to 
>50 years ago. The inside surface of the wall is in very good 
>condition and just needs a lime/sand coating. 
>
>I don't know what to do about the outside surface. It has been 
>washed out by about 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch, judging by the larger 
>pebbles protruding from the wall. Does anybody have an opinion
>whether to use a lime/sand or a cement/sand coating and in what
>proportion? Or is there a better way?
>
>There are the occasional showers, but rain is not a primary 
>concern. Large variations in air humidity, ranging from very
>humid winters to very dry summers are more important. Consequently,
>the capacity of the clay wall to absorb and give off humidity 
>is very important.
>
>Any advice welcome.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dieter Brand 
>dbcon@telepac.pt
>
>
>
Dear Deiter...

Rainfall, as you have already discovered, has minimal effect on earth walls (adobe or rammed earth)

Exterior can be left as is which continues to erode slowly and may not be attractive to many, BUT, you can also cover this exterior with succo net and cement stucco for a 
long range good treatment, with a variety of colors available.. If you go this route, it will tend to seal the wall, and can trap moisture, which can do unseen damage.
This is not a problem if the building is well maintained in roof leaks, scupper flashing, etc.  Also the surface can be renewed with more earth, and rubbed smooth with a sponge rubber float.

Check out the home page for the EARTH ARCHITECTURE CENTER INTERNATIONAL.

	http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry/

  We collect and disseminat information on earth building.

regards,
P. G. (Buzz) McHenry



From mchenry@unm.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:19 EST 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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Subject: Re: Architecture of Yemen
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In article <4j9hkl$g4b@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, daniel009@aol.com says...
>
>Hello-
>
>I am interested in the architecture of the tower houses of Yemen.  I had
>an opportunity to buy a book on the subject a number of years ago, but was
>on a tight budget back then and had to pass...now it's out of print.
>
>I thought perhaps someone online might have some gif's of the Yemeni tower
>homes that you would care to share.
>
>I look forward to hearing from you!
>
>- Daniel 
>Daniel Nign III

Daniel...
Our EARTH ARCHITECTURE CENTER INTERNATIONAL has many resources worldwide.  One is a series of photos from Yemen showing the incredible adobe buildings.
One of our advisory board is Dr. Gus VanBeek, who spent a lot of time in Yemen, and has ebcyclopedic information on tbe tower houses.

check out the home page for EACI\	http://www.unm.edu/~mexhendy/

If I can help further, just ask.

P. G. (Buzz) McHenry



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In article <4ja9ug$3r5s@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, trex@holly.colostate.edu says...
>
>Hello!
>     I am extremely interested in alt. building techniques, etc.  (I am 
>new to the Net)  I grew up around home construction and have work in that 
>field often.  Currently enrolled in degree program, with the goal of 
>teaching, college level, (with five kids it's easy to see my interest in 
>both alt. construc & university employment).  Please email info and 
>source for MDC, etc.  I am currently experimenting with a various 
>materials to create a new sprayable structural componient.  Thanks for 
>your time!  Thomas
>
TREX...

The Italian professionals have worked a lot with "thin shell" engineering for domes.
My book, ADOBE AND RAMMED EARTH BUILDINGS, has a chapter written by Dr. Gerald May
former Dean of Engineering at the University of New Mexico, Albuquerque.  It covers the basic 
priciples and mechanics of domw construction.

also check our the home page for the EARTH ARCHITECTURE CENTER INTERNATIONAL
	http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry/

Lots of information and resources!

P. G. (Buzz) McHenry



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Godfather wrote:
> 
> In article <31518495.2500@ukans.edu>, "Brian A. Rock" <barock@ukans.edu> writes:
> >> One system I am interested in is a solar water heater, to be used both
> >> for heating water for baths and also possibly providing warmth in
> >> certain parts of the house during the day or to a hot tub, etc.
> >>
> >> I would like to use long coils of black hose as the primary collector.
> >
> > In the U.S., black plastic tubing is not rated for hot water use.  It
> > also becomes brittle over time when exposed to the sun.
> 
> something else you might consider is a highly conductive metal (such as copper)
> as i have seen in many books.  just a thought.
> 
> jason
> 

How about this,,,

Take a 6' by 6' piece of ground dig 4" deep
lay copper pipe up down up down in rows bent appropiately
fill with concrete
paint flat black
pry up end and place so sun can strike it
connect your hose to the copper tube

every inch of this would collect heat and disperse into the 
concrete and water passing through the slab would suck the 
heat out....

just a idea for CHEAP solar heat

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DDarrelD wrote:
> 
> It's glued together with a phenolic resin (waterproof).  Could use it
> under water. ( I asked then the same question)


We had a local company (San Francisco Bay Area) that make the stuff come 
over and give us demo, samples, etc info on this product.  Unfortunately 
I wasn't all that pleased with a lot of the answers that they had given 
to us.  We were esspecially concerned with the materials used and their 
carcinogenic levels.  We finally choose to go with other products, 
becuase they could prove themselves to us.

naturat@sonic.net



From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:22 EST 1996
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George <bubba@lgn.com> wrote:

>How about this,,,

Very clever :-) I've never seen anyone suggest doing this sort of thing. 

>Take a 6' by 6' piece of ground dig 4" deep

6 x 6' seems a little small, and 4" seems a bit thick. How about 8 x 8,
and 2" thick? 

>lay copper pipe up down up down in rows bent appropiately

Seems to me that some sort of plastic pipe would work well here too,
with chicken wire on both sides...

>fill with concrete
>paint flat black

OK.

>pry up end and place so sun can strike it

That might be hard to do, as you describe it. Concrete weighs about
150 pounds per cubic foot, so a 6 x 6 x 4" slab of it would weigh
150 x 6 x 6 x 4/12 = 1800 pounds. Seems like this would be easier if you
put a layer of polyethylene on the ground first to act as a "mold release,"
or put a board or two underneath before pouring, to help pry it up.

And what about insulation or glazing? Seems like this would work
better with a transparent plastic cover, backed up to a straw bale/
EPDM rubber lined water tank.

Nick



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In article <4jkeso$j1u@hermes.oanet.com>,  <reep@datanet.ab.ca> wrote:
>masimo@netcom.com (Michael Maas) wrote:
>
>>forest that have relatively straight branches that would be suitable

Wood that grows in other than a straight vertical position has what is 
known as reaction wood.  The reaction wood counters the effort of 
gravity.  When this wood is milled, stresses are released which give a 
strong tendency to distortion/warpage.

rhg

>>for posts in the gazebo I plan to build.  I'm curious to know if
>>anyone has used madrone wood in this manner.
>
>Madrone (or Arbutus, as us Canajuns call it), gets quite hard after it
>is cut and dries, but is relatively soft when first cut.  Some people
>use it for carving, because the grain is quite even.  One problem,
>however, is that it splits badly, because of differential drying.  I
>understand that there is a treatment one can apply that will slow down
>the drying and prevent splitting.
>I don't know anything about its structural capabilities.  Heck . . .
>there isn't an Arbutus/Madrone within a thousand miles (well, maybe
>several hundred) of where I live, but we do have lots on our island
>holiday property.
>Rod Keith
>




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It's glued together with a phenolic resin (waterproof).  Could use it
under water. ( I asked then the same question)


From jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:23 EST 1996
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On Mar 28, 1996 11:45:08 in article <Re: Building With Old Tires>, 'Chad
Berreau <chad_b@wcla.com>' wrote: 
 
>No matter how much outgassing the tire gave prior to use in this
structural  
>situation, it would seem that each tire would still have an amount of gas
it  
>hasn't given off.  Provided there was a "gas" to begin with.   
> 
>The current building trend in homes is to build structure that are "air
tight"   
>The risk involved in this type of construction pertains to the cycling of
air  
>through these livable spaces.  Without factoring this into the building  
>equation it would be hard for me to think of tire walls as being safe for 

>habitation.  And the notion that throwing a bunch of dirt on the tires
will  
>resolve the out gassing situation is purely a naive notion.  Just because
you  
>can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Furthermore where does Rayon
gas  
>enter a home.  Usually through the ground below.  Passing through material
such  
>a concrete, which is denser in nature than most soils.  If I were to
select a  
>soil to limit the rate it would have to be a heavy "clay" soil.  Even this
 
>wouldn't eliminate an out-gassing problem. 
> 
>In conclusion, I don't say that old tire emit any harmful gas.  But, that 

>common sense would state that there is a likelihood it does.  And not
factor a  
>solution to alleviate the gas problem in the design of the structure would
be  
>fundamentally poor design. --  
> 
>Chad Berreau 
 
Chad: 
 
Thanks for your response and input.  It had not occurred to me that a gas
might have been trapped in the tire and then given off slowly over the life
of the tire.  I was assuming that any "offgassing" would be the result of
the oxidation reaction which is common in elastomers or the evaporation of
the antioxidants out of the tire.  I have asked those who have expressed
this concern just exactly what source of gas they were concerned about, and
what gas they were concerned about, but have never received an answer.   
 
I certainly agree that the house should be adequately ventilated.  It was
my understanding that good design practice called for a minimum of two air
changes per day.  Is it your concern that this would not be sufficient for
a tire wall structure? 
 
My comments about the tires being sealed in the soil was meant to indicate
that no oxidation reaction would take place because of the lack of oxygen. 
My comment that the tires would be well-oxidized (as evidenced by surface
cracking) was meant to indicate that virtually all of the antioxidant will
have evaporated or been oxidized by the time that the tires are ready to be
used for tire wall construction. 
 
I understand your comment that common sense would suggest that there might
be a gas problem in building with old tires.  Common sense also suggests to
me that there might be a problem with enclosing a home in particle board
which is held together with formaldehyde based glue.  I would like to see
some in depth science-based study into both. 
 
Joe 
 


From Leticia_Lau@sciarc.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:24 EST 1996
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ArchiCAD for Mac/Windows software

2D/3D/rendering/animation/spreadsheet integrated software.

I am selling one of my extra copies. All manuals and license transfers.
Purchased from Graphisoft was $5000. Now asking $2800.

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From zcftl01@ucl.ac.uk Tue Apr  2 15:25:24 EST 1996
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Hullo there!

I am a final year student in London UK doing research into the use of
paper as an architectural/building/constructional material both
historically and currently.

I have been told that paper has been used for the construction of disaster
shelter as well as indoors for housing/building insulation. However, I
have not been able to find any printed material on these subjects.

I have also found out that in the 60's. an American firm called 'Papertech'
was involved in the production of portable/prefabricated paper/cardboard
housing units; but there isn't any published material that I have been
able to unearth.

Does anyone out there have any suggestions as to where I should look
(books, magazines etc.) or have any information at all?

Any help at all would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks in advance

Kelvin Ang
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i am doing a project on building a house for a person with
Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS). and i need to know more about what
Clinical Ecology is about. any thoughts?

anyone experienced in this field please advice any special things to
consider...

regards,
sean




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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:27 EST 1996
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A PV friend says: 

>I've been dreaming of suspending an array in between two trees
>at about the 90' level...

With ropes going east and west? That seems interesting, 3/4 up those tall
trees 300' to the south of your house, with some nylon ropes running north
and south to the ground from the bottom? Seems like this would usually lead
to shading by other trees, if not falling branches, etc. I would like to
build a treehouse, a large one for living in, even. I traded some letters 
with serious treehouse people years ago, one a prof in North Carolina.

Suppose the PV structure had some internal volume and a floor, with a rope
ladder for courageous children attached to safety ropes. We might insulate that
volume and put some thermal mass inside, eg a few batteries surrounded by an
air gap and insulation, to capture some of the other 90% of the sun's heat...

For 2-axis tracking, suppose it were supported from above at three points,
with a fixed rope at the top on the north side going up and north to a tree,
another at the north bottom center going to the ground, and two more going up
SE and SW from the EW upper south corners, said ropes being attached to two
small DC reversible winches or garage door openers inside the treehouse. A
rope ladder hanging from the south side deck would make this more stable. To
point east, crank in the west rope and let out the east rope, and vice versa
to point west. To tilt the array upwards, crank in both ropes. To tilt it down
towards the south horizon, let out both ropes. Picture a 4' x 4' x 8' shed,
with a reflective front porch and a 1:2 roof sloping up to the south and a
reflective overhang. It might look like this:

         from the east                from the south front

     \         8'                \             12'           /
       .                           .........................
       .   .   ^                   . .                   . .
       .       .                   .   .               .   .
       .       .   .               .     .     4'    .     . 6'
       .       .       .           .      ..........       .
       .       .     PV. 2'        .      .   P V  .       .
       .................           .........................
           4'      4'    \                     l
       l                                       4'
                                           .........   
       l                                  .    PV   .
                                         .           .
       l                                .             .
                                       .       .       .    8'
       l                              .                 .
                                     .                   .
       l                            .                     .
                                   .........................
       l                          /                         \
                                          from the top

This would have a PV area of 8 ft^2 and a frontal area of 72 ft^2 with
a concentration ratio of 9, so the peak sun power would be 6.5 kW. How
would we cool it? Perhaps make the PVs the back of an thin aquarium tank,
with the sun shining through a little water, and a radiator above.

How big a radiator? Say the PVs collect 650 watts peak, with a solar energy
input of 5.5 kWh/m^2/day in July in Seattle, ie 36.8 kWh of solar energy in,
and 3.68 kWh/day of electrical energy out. The difference is 33.1 kWh/day.
That is the heat we need to deliberately waste. The average temperature in
Seattle in July is 18.4 C. Suppose we want to keep the average PV temp
at 28.4 C. The average windspeed is 3.5 m/s, or 7.8 mph. So assuming we
have enough water to store the heat for 24 hours, we have to waste 33.1 kWh
of heat, about the same as the heat in a gallon of oil, in 24 hours, with a
10 C temperature rise, or 138 watts/degree C, or 261 Btu/hr/degree F. A smooth
174 ft^2 surface or a rough 130 ft^2 would do that with no wind, as would
44 ft^2 of rough surface exposed to the wind, or the wind from an exhaust fan
to the north on a calm day.

Or we might let some rainwater flow through the tank, or try to evaporate
0.005 gallons (0.7 oz.) per minute of water by slowly pumping it up to the
ridge peak and letting it trickle back down into the tank, over the 64+ ft^2
roof surface. The partial pressure of water in air at 18 C is 15.3 mmHg,
which becomes 10.1 mmHg in Seattle's 66% average July humidity, I guess,
and at 28 C, the partial pressure of water in air is 28 mmHg. Duffie and
Beckman's _Solar Engineering of Thermal Processes_, 2nd edition, has this
formula 18.5.2 on page 664:

   Qc/Qe = 0.46(Tp-Ta)/(Pwp-Pa),

where Qc is the heat loss by convection from a surface in W/m^2-C and
      Qe is the heat loss by evaporation, and Tp and Ta are in deg C, and 
      Pwp and Pa are the partial pressures of warm pond water and cooler
      water vapor in ambient air. This hardly changes with wind speed.

Cranking through all this, I found that we might waste all this heat by
evaporating a little PV cooling water at just under 20 C, not 28 C. At 28 C,
about 4 times more heat is lost by water evaporation than by convection.

How much water would we need to store that heat? 33.1 kWh will heat 6720
pounds of water 10 degrees C. Perhaps we should try to get rid of most of
the heat in real time, and cover the backs of the PVs with fins and such. 

It would be interesting if we could turn this structure around to the north,
swing the PVs out of the way with a linear actuator, say, and scoop up some
wind to flow through the exhaust fan at night, or on a cloudy day, to make
more electrical power.

With a couple of batteries inside and an inverter, we could run 110 or
240VAC wires up the north rope and back to the house. 

The rope ladder might not touch the ground. It might just end in a large
weight, say 3' above the ground, to make a large and interesting pendulum
with a period of about 5 seconds. If the rope ladder slanted up to the
treehouse from the south, we might add two more ropes to the ground to the
NW and NE and enclose the EW sides of the tetrahedron between the treehouse
and the ground, eg with dacron sailcloth, or burlap/cement, and put a wind
turbine on the ground at the south lee corner, just north of the base of
the rope ladder, to make a big north-facing windscoop (and snowscoop--we
might make the EW sides transparent, or enclose the north side too, and make
another house, barn, or solar closet and sunspace underneath, parking a car
or a tractor under the PV shed, or storing some hay or animals... 

A PV shed on top of a flat roof in a city might be suspended from the point
of a tetrahedral frame made with 6 poles, with some sandbags at the corners.

Suspending a real solar house from a 3-cornered manmade arch this way would be
interesting. It wouldn't have to be very high off the ground to let the house
track the sun, altho a 3-cornered St Louis-type arch would be nice :-), and
that might also serve as the house foundation, and deter termites and mice...
Electric and water might enter the house with flexible lines from the top,
with the house rotating no more than 360 degrees, perhaps facing north on
summer days. 
 
It might be less expensive to suspend the house from 3 telephone poles,
like this, seen from the top:
                                          s
                                          .
                                          .
                                          .
                                          p
                                          .
                                          .
                                          .
                                          H
                                        .   .
                                      .       .
                                    .           .
                                  p               p
                                .                   .
                              .                       . 
                            s                           s
     
                            
and like this from the side:      p       p       p
                                . p   .   p   .   p .
                              .   p       H       p   .
                   .........s.....p.......p.......p.....s............
                            s                           s

The poles might each hold up about 30K lbs from the weight of the house
and another 30K pounds or so from the guy wires, so each pole would need
a 30 ft^2 footing, perhaps, and at 50 K psi, the steel cables would need
to be about 1" diameter. Big nylon or dacron ropes might work instead of
the steel cables. The wood of the poles would probably hold the weight in
compression parallel to the grain, but the poles should probably be cemented
on the outside, over wire reinforcement, to make them more durable and
increase their polar moment of inertia, so they aren't so inclined to buckle.
Tilting the poles out a bit would make the guy wires smaller. Tilting them in
so they touch would help too, but that doesn't leave much room for the house.

Althernatively, the house might be held up by a geodesic telephone pole
structure, 20 poles, each 30' long (connected by what, ropes thru holes in
the poles? Bolts, and steel plates. Lots of chicken wire and cement?) This
would be about 150' in circumference, about 50' in diameter (if the poles 
poles were curved and pi were 3) and about 40' tall at the central point.
Adding 5 more poles on the ground would solve the footing problem, and make
a nice berm for the EPDM rubber reflecting pond and wastewater treatment
facultative lagoon, with a small fountain. Enclosing the whole thing in
polyethylene film might be nice. Un gout special.

What would the building inspector say? Perhaps not much about safety,
if the house were only 6" above the ground.

What would the architect say ("THAT doesn't look like a house!" :-)

What would the health department say?

What would the neighbors say?

What would the bank say?

Or... the house could be floated on a shallow pool. A 30 x 30' two story
house might weigh 100 psf, requiring a 2' deep pool, taking some or all of
the load off the telephone poles. 

We could try this out with a prefab 8 x 12' shed, with PVs mounted on the
south wall, a reflective hinged floating south dock and an overhang, and
reflective wings, sitting in a pool made with a 20' x 20' piece of EPDM
rubber over a 2' tall perimeter earth berm.

The pond corners might point to compass directions, and the shed might have
an 10' rope or conduit from the center of the south wall to the south pond
corner. We might mount 2 winches at the EW corners of the north wall of the
shed, high up, connected by ropes to stakes in the ground 12' NE of the NE
pond edge and 12' SE of the SE pond edge, for treehouse-type 2-axis tracking,
tilting the shed back to the north to point it up into the sky. The shed might
have a waterproof skirt coming 2' up the walls on the outside, made from a 
single piece of EPDM rubber. So might a modular home... Only one winch, eg
with a continuous rope wrapped round the drum would be needed for adjustable
tilt, 1-axis tracking. With all that water, PV cooling should be easy.
We might even heat the house with the sun.

>The sun hits the tops of the trees at 6 am or so, and doesn't hit the PVs
>I have now for several hours after that. It just becomes a question of how
>much it costs in money and aesthetics to put them up there, and how much
>more vulnerable they become.

A small PV tracking treehouse, 90' up, could be delightful. It might have
a few mirrors or some of stained glass glinting onto your house, 300' to
the north. Some wind chimes, perhaps, or some propellors and generators on
the guy wires. With the right combination of strong and elastic ropes and
mass and damping, vulnerability should not be a problem. It wouldn't be very
expensive either. Small DC winches cost less than $200. Some people use $150
Sears radio-controlled garage door openers to haul boats out of the water. 

Nick

A word from Lewis Carroll, on this fine day of fools:

(1) Every idea of mine, that cannot be expressed as a syllogism,
    is really ridiculous.
(2) None of my ideas about bath-buns are worth writing down.
(3) No idea of mine, that fails to come true, can be expressed as a syllogism.
(4) I never have any really ridiculous idea, that I do not at once
    refer to my solicitor.
(5) My dreams are all about bath-buns.
(6) I never refer any idea of mine to my solicitor,
    unless it is worth writing down.

There is a simple conclusion to be derived from these statements...



From dbcon@telepac.pt Tue Apr  2 15:25:27 EST 1996
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ddarreld@aol.com (DDarrelD) wrote:
>How thick is the wall?
>Why not leave it as it is?
>Might just need rain protection

As I said, the walls are 16 inch thick. They are weathered 
on the outside; about 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch has already
been washed away. They desperately need a coating before
the next winter.  What do you call *rain protection*?
The local building codes don't allow overhanging roofs.

Dieter Brand
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From syllabus@intergate.bc.ca Tue Apr  2 15:25:28 EST 1996
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Many individuals who wish to practise architecture are, for a variety of 
personal reasons, unable to attend university on a full-time basis to 
obtain the necessary education. The RAIC Syllabus offers an accessible 
alternative through a directed, self-paced program of academic studies, 
design studios, and practical experience leading to a professional 
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Architectural Councils (CCAC). While the National Office of the Syllabus 
is situated in Vancouver, British Columbia, centres are presently active 
in most major urban areas of Canada. For a detailed Information Package 
or to discuss personal concerns or questions, contact Ms. Jean Stratton, 
Registrar, RAIC Syllabus National Office, Suite #210-318 Homer Street, 
Vancouver, British Columbia, V6B 2V2; Tel: 604-669-9830; Fax: 
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From bbaicad@best.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:29 EST 1996
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Well said!  No need to apologize.  The amount of garbage on these sites is disappointing.




From mark@murder.compulink.co.uk Tue Apr  2 15:25:30 EST 1996
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From: mark@murder.compulink.co.uk (Mark de Roussier)
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hopee@usa.pipeline.com wrote:

>       Can anyone help me figure out how to lay tile that won't constanly
>come loose and/or a way to keep water in the stall without that cumbersome
>strip.   
>        

Can't help with the tiles, but heres an idea about the water problem.
The reason for the lip is to contain water, which then drains via ( I
assume ) some central drain. Why not replace the lip by a ( flat ! )
drain ? You could use this drain in place of the existing one ( you
might want to extend it all around the shower and raise the bed of the
shower slightly ), or just replace the lip. You'd be trading slightly
more complicated plumbing for a 'lip-less' solution. The drain cover
would need to be strong enough to stand on/roll over, and not hurt
feet or trap wheels, but that all seems easy enough.

NB I haven't tried this, but I've seen a related idea used around
swimming pools.


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                Edge of pure obsession,
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                Nothing moves, the world is still...



From carlh@sonic.net Tue Apr  2 15:25:30 EST 1996
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On Sat, 23 Mar 1996 12:16:12 -0500, NatureRat <naturat@sonic.net>
wrote:

That's interesting,  David must have changed his method; seems like I
remember some literature maybe 10 years ago showing forms.  Maybe not.
The sprayed method sounds like what they did at Canine Companions
although the PD said it was some kind of plasticised mixture I think.
Have you seen that?  Tried to get info from Codding Const - obtuse as
usual - gave up trying.  

>forms - however the contractors I've talked to about rammed earth are 
>using a new type of form that breaks down and is put up a few feet down 
>the line thereby really limiting the amount of waste on forms

 Any examples around Santa Rosa/Sonoma I could have a look at?

Bye,

Carl Hansen <carlh@sonic.net>


From svaccer@ix.netcom.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:31 EST 1996
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From: svaccer@ix.netcom.com
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To All Architects, Engineers, and Interior Designers:


As you may all know, a lot is going on in legislation concerning the
rights of each profession.  I am curious as to other's views on this
matter of what each of us is allowed to do and not do.

First off, I do firmly believe that all three of these professions
should work together on a project.  No need for anger towards each
other.  As of now, I am an Interior Design student.  I've been hearing
so much lately that Architects don't care very much for my profession.
It is our duty to design living spaces for people to exist in
according to what they need and ask for.  Current law tells Interior
Designers that we cannot do certain jobs that an architect is allowed
to do.  The same goes for Engineers.  They are not allowed to enter
any practice that an architect might do as well even though they are
well endowed with the skills to do so.  Failure to comply with these
reguluations is a serious matter and that person is subject to legal
"problems."

However, in the recent decline in work for Architects, they seek work
doing Interior spaces.  They have no knowledge of Interior living.
Interior Designers do.  We learn the dynamics of color theory,
furniture placement, materials and textiles, etc. The sad part is that
it is NOT illegal for them to do this Interior Design work which is a
travesty.  If we cannot invade on their profession, why should they be
allowed to invade on ours?  Yet, if an Interior Designer or Engineer
go out of bounds for one slight second, they are hounded upon by the
powerful architects.  

This all has to change.  We should be allwed to sign our own name to
our technical drawings and not sit in the background.  Architects
should not invade in our profession.  Let US take care of the
interiors.  We know all about them.  

I would really like to hear different opinions on this matter. E-mail
me if possible, but please post opinions as well for others to read.

Sincerely,

Steve Vaccaro ASID

Who knows, maybe someday all that will be needed will be interior
Designers and Engineers...



From cebab@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Apr  2 15:25:31 EST 1996
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Please visit the WWW site of C E Ball & Partners, Chartered Quantity 
Surveyors and Construction Cost Managers. Active throughout the UK on 
major projects and with a keen interest in the cost management of M&E and 
vertical transportation installation as well as general construction 
works, high quality fitting out and retail shopfitting. Visit us at: 
http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/welcome.html/

Lots of UK related links including related site pages for:

HSL (Heathkirk Services Ltd) offering Planning Supervision Services to 
Clients and other Design Professionals to comply with the new UK 
Construction Design & Management 1994 Regulations (CDM) which now apply 
(apart from residential and minor works) to all design and construction 
carried out for projects built within th UK. Read about our services by 
visiting our site at: http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/heathkirk.html/

CEB Projects Limited at: http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/cebproj.html/

and ..

CITE (Construction Industry Trading Electronically) the Home page for 
this UK initiative to provide a pragmatic approach to the electronic 
transfer of Tender information in the form of Bills of Quantity between 
the Client QS and the Contractor's Estimator - and back.  Download a 
trial 'zip' file to see what its all about. Visit CITE at: 
http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/cite.html/

If you like these pages then please eMail me.

Andrew Hudson BSc FRICS



From kloomis@accutek.com Tue Apr  2 15:25:32 EST 1996
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NASA Developed "Super Insulation" Now Available to the Public

The "Super Insulation" that NASA developed for use in the space program is
now available in quantities that make it affordable for the general
public.  It is a clean, economical alternative to fiberglass.  And unlike
traditional insulation, that merely SLOWS heat transfer, this product
STOPS 97% of the heat, resulting in substantial energy savings.  In the
summer, it keeps unwanted heat out, and in the winter, it keeps desirable
heat in.

This product is available in residential, commerical, and industrial
grades.  It can be used for everything from insulating buildings to
insulating freezers to insulating cold-storage transport containers. 
Wherever there is hot or cold, this product has an application.

For more information, send an e-mail to:

kloomis@U-B-Kool.com

or, visit our web site at:

http://www.u-b-kool.com/

Thank you,
Ken Loomis


From akwong1@csupomona.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:32 EST 1996
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From: akwong1@csupomona.edu (ALVIN WONG)
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Los Angeles Architectural firm seeking full-time Project Architect.
Will reponsible on foreign and domestic interesting and challenging 
multi-millions projects.

2-4 years experience with profressional degree in Architecture needed.

Knowledge of AutoCad R12,13; 3D Studios, AutoVision or other 3D modeling
programs;  MS Windows' applications required.

Please send resume with contact number and address via e-mail or fax:

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(DO NOT RESPOND AFTER APRIL 15TH, 96)


From barock@ukans.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:34 EST 1996
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Ken Loomis wrote:
> 
> NASA Developed "Super Insulation" Now Available to the Public
> 
> The "Super Insulation" that NASA developed for use in the space program is
> now available in quantities that make it affordable for the general
> public.  It is a clean, economical alternative to fiberglass.  And unlike
> traditional insulation, that merely SLOWS heat transfer, this product
> STOPS 97% of the heat, resulting in substantial energy savings.  In the  ^^^^^

*** False Claim Alert! ***

Heat transfer can't be stopped, only slowed.  Why not advertise the R or 
U value of the product?  The price would be nice too!


> summer, it keeps unwanted heat out, and in the winter, it keeps desirable
> heat in.
> 
> This product is available in residential, commerical, and industrial
> grades.  It can be used for everything from insulating buildings to
> insulating freezers to insulating cold-storage transport containers.
> Wherever there is hot or cold, this product has an application.
> 
> For more information, send an e-mail to:
> 
> kloomis@U-B-Kool.com
> 
> or, visit our web site at:
> 
> http://www.u-b-kool.com/
> 
> Thank you,
> Ken Loomis

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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Apr  2 15:25:35 EST 1996
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   It is hard to think of any other system that supplies so much heat
   (to an existing house) at such low cost...

   One could shorten the warm-up time of the enclosure and increase
   the amount of heat delivered to the rooms by making the enclosure
   virtually massless--by greatly reducing its dynamic thermal capacity.
   This can be done by spreading a 2-inch-thick layer of lightweight
   insulation on the floor and north wall of the enclosure and then
   installing a thin black sheet over the insulation. Then, practically
   no heat is delivered to the massive components of floor or wall;
   practically all of the heat is promptly transferred to the air.
   And since the thermal capacity of the 100 or 200 lb. of air in
   the room is equal to that of one fourth as great a mass of water
   (about 25 to 50 lb. of water), the air will heat up very rapidly.
   I estimate that its temperature will rise about 40 F. degrees in about
   two minutes, after the sun comes out from behind a heavy cloud cover.
   At the end of the day, little heat will be "left on base" in the 
   collector floor or north wall and, accordingly, the enclosure will
   cool off very rapidly.

     New Inventions in Low Cost Solar Heating--
     100 Daring Schemes Tried and Untried
     by William A. Shurcliff, PhD
     Brick House Publishing, 1979, 293 pages, $12

   A sunspace has extensive south-facing glass, so sufficient thermal mass
   is important. Without it, the sunspace is liable to be uncomfortably hot
   during the day, and too cold for plants or people at night.

   However, the temperature in the sunspace can vary more than in the
   house itself, so about three square feet of four inch thick thermal
   mass for each square foot of sunspace glazing should be adequate...

   The sunspace floor is a good location for thermal mass. The mass floors
   should be dark in color. No more than 15-25% of the floor slab should be
   covered with rugs or plants... Another good location for thermal mass
   is the common wall (the wall separating the sunspace from the rest of
   the house)... Water in various types of containers is another form of
   energy storage often used in sunspaces.

	     Passive Solar Design Guidelines--
	     Guidelines for Homebuilders
	     for Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
	     Passive Solar Industries Council
	     National Renewable Energy Laboratory
	     Charles Eley Associates 
	     Current edition, 88 pages, $50 

So, which is the most energy-efficient sunspace in a partly cloudy climate
like Philadelphia?

Shurcliff's plastic film sunspace, wearing the green uniform in this contest,
might cost about $2/ft^2 and begin an average December day at 36 F, and like
the PSIC sunspace, it would receive about 1000 Btu/ft^2/day over the average
day. Let's assume that both sunspaces have a perfectly insulated wall between
them and the house, to avoid the thermal disaster of a poorly insulated Trombe
wall in a partly cloudy climate. (Trombe walls can't even get to the starting
line in this race.) And that there is no air infiltration from the outside in
either case. Shurcliff's sunspace air would be circulated through the house
with some dampers or fans, keeping the sunspace at 80 F, say, while the house
remains at 70 F. With single glazing, about 900 Btu/ft^2 of sun might enter
the sunspace during the day, and the amount of heat lost through a square foot
of Shurcliff's sunspace over a typical 6 hour December day would be about
6 hr (80-36)/R1 = 264 Btu/ft^2/day, for a net gain of 636 Btu/ft^2, ie his
$2/ft^2 sunspace would be about 64% efficient, as a solar collector. As
an auxiliary living space, it could be heated up instantly on some starry
night for a party, by moving some warm air from the house into the sunspace.

A PSIC sunspace, wearing the brown uniform, would perform better with double
glazing. He might cost $10/ft^2. Say his thermal mass is poured concrete,
4" thick, with an official PSIC heat capacity of 8.8 Btu/ft^2, and say it
absorbs 100% of the sun that falls on it, vs the official PSIC solar
absorptance of bare concrete of 0.65 (table K, page 57.) Then about 800
Btu/ft^2/day of sun will enter the double glazing and be absorbed by the
concrete, and the concrete surface will warm up the sunspace air, and that
warm air can be used to heat the house when the sunspace temperature is more
than 80 F. Suppose the concrete loses no heat at all to the soil below (I'm
giving quite a few handicaps to the PSIC sunspace in this efficiency race.)
Suppose the PSIC sunspace starts out the day at temperature T, and the
concrete charges up in the sun to a maximum temperature of T + dT, and
returns to temperature T at dawn, on an average day in December. How can we
calculate T and dT? We have an equivalent electrical circuit that looks
something like this:

                             Ts sunspace temperature
                             |
                      R2     |            S 
       36 F ---------wwww-----------------|-------------------- 70 F
       outdoors      glazing |            open switch to heat   house 
                             |
                             w
                             w  R0.5 concrete - sunspace air resistance 
               800 Btu/ft^2  w
                   per day   |
            |      ---       |
          | | ----|-->|------|--Tc concrete temperature
            |      ---       |
               sun current   w
                   source    w  R0.4 concrete bulk thermal resistance
                             w
                             |
                          ------- 8.8 Btu/F thermal mass of concrete
			  -------           
                             |
                             |
                            ---
                             -

Let's simplify this, by assuming the thermal mass of the concrete is infinite,
vs 8.8 Btu/ft^2/F. Lots of concrete, or a water wall, or something that has
so much thermal mass that the temperature inside the sunspace never changes
at all from day to night or day to day over a long string of average December
days, with some sun. This is an optimal sunspace with more than "adequate" or
"sufficient" thermal mass by official PSIC standard guidelines. Let's also
assume that the two small resistors have a value of zero, ie let's assume the
the R0.4 bulk thermal resistance of the concrete, that makes the surface heat
up more than the inside, while the sun is warming it up, and makes it harder
to get heat out of the inside of the concrete and into the sunspace air, and
the R0.5 concrete-sunspace air resistance, are both R0 conductors. What will
Tc be in that simplified case?

The sun shines into the sunspace during the day and adds 800 Btu to our
concrete capacitor, and over 24 hours, 24(Tc-36)1ft^2/R2 = 12 Tc - 432 Btu
flow out of the capacitor. If Ein = Eout (providing no heat for the attached
house), then Tc = (800+432)/12 = 103 F. Pretty nice, but this sunspace is
not providing any heat for the house, just keeping itself warm on an average
day, and losing lots of heat on a cloudy day. Suppose we allow some heat to
flow from the sunspace into the house, ie close the switch, ie turn on the
fan or open the damper between the sunspace and the house often enough to
limit the maximum sunspace temp to 80 F instead of 103 F. Then the heat loss
to the outside world over the course of a day is 24(80-36)1 ft^2/R2 = 528 Btu,
and the rest of the heat that enters the double glazing, ie 800 - 528 = 272
Btu/ft^2/day goes into heating the house, so the solar collection efficiency
of this $10/ft^2 sunspace in terms of useful heat provided for the attached
house is 27%. As an auxiliary living space, the temperature of this sunspace
is largely out of our control. It takes a long time and a lot of house heat to
warm it up on an evening or cloudy day, and after we leave the space, it stays
warm for a long time, giving up precious house heat to the outside world.

How curious that by carefully following the current official guidelines of
the Passive Solar Industries Council, we can reduce the performance of
Shurcliff's low-thermal-mass sunspace from 64% to 27%, while increasing the
price from $2/ft^2 to $10/ft^2, unimproving the cost-effectiveness of the
sunspace by a factor of 12, even with all these PSIC-slanted assumptions... 

Here's a quote from the Acknowlegements section of the PSIC guidelines:  

   _Passive Solar Design Strategies: Guidelines for Home Builders_ represents
   over three years of effort by a unique group of organizations and
   individuals. The challenge of creating an effective design tool that
   could be customized for the specific needs of builders in cities and towns
   all over the U. S. called for the talents and experience of specialists
   in many different areas of expertise.

   _Passive Solar Design Strategies_ is based on research sponsored by the
   United States Department of Energy (DOE) Solar Buildings Program, and
   carried out by the Los Alamos National Laboratory, the National Renewable
   Energy Laboratory (NREL)... and the Florida Solar Energy Center (FSEC.) 

   The National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) Standing Committee on
   Energy has provided invaluable advice and assistance during the
   development of the Guidelines.

   Valuable information was drawn from the 14 country International Energy
   Agency (IEA) Solar Heating and Cooling program, Task VII on Passive and
   Hybrid Solar Low Energy Buildings...

   Although all the members of PSIC, especially the Technical Committee,
   contributed to the financial and technical support of the Guidelines,
   several contributed far beyond the call of duty. Stephen Szoke, Director
   of National Accounts, National Concrete Masonry Association, Chairman of
   PSIC's Board of Directors during the development of the Guildlines; and
   James Tann, Brick Institute of America, Region 4, Chairman of PSIC's
   Technical Committee during the development of these guidelines... 
   gave unstintingly of their time, their expertise, and their enthusiasm. 

Nick



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wondering if there are any current "trends" in the design of student
centers on college campuses?  any thoughts/dialog greatly appreciated.
nancy sokolove
bohlin cywinski jackson
e-mail:
NSatBCJ


From steveh1491@aol.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:43 EDT 1996
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If it STOPS 97% of the heat, that means it DOESN'T STOP three percent.  So
it also just slows down heat transfer like any other insulator, just
(presumably) more efficiently. 

Them NASA boys ain't as sharp as they used to be.


From mchenry@unm.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:43 EDT 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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Subject: Re: "green" resources
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In article <4jm9u5$203@lynx.unm.edu>, mchenry@unm.edu says...
>
>In article <315C4AC7.2C20@darkwing.uoregon.edu>, mshaf@darkwing.uoregon.edu says...
>>
>>I'm building a home and am looking for a "clearing house" web page for 
>>sustainable materials preferrably serving the Pacific NW.
>>
>>cheers, shaf
>>-- 
>><\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\  cogito, ergo zZOooOM  /\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>
>>       Michael Shaffer, R.A.     -     mshaf@oregon.uoregon.edu
>>Geological Science's Electron Probe Facility at the University of Oregon 
>>                http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mshaf/epmahome/
>>
>Hi shaf...
>
>Check out thr home page for the AERTH ARCHITECTURE CENTER INTERNATIONAL, lots of information on adober and rammed earth information:
>  http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry/
>
>Good Luck.
>
>P. G.(Buzz)McHenry
>
Sorry about the garbled response!  It shhould read "Check out our home page
	http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry
There are a lot of information sources.
Earth is the oldest material used by man and it can work in any climate if
used properly.

Good luck on your quest.

McHenry



From carvalho@escape.ca Sun Apr  7 09:06:44 EDT 1996
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does anyone have information about PHAZER, it's a software package
that works with autocad and separates the mechanical ,structural and
architectural drawings , or something like that, the name that I was
given might not  be the correct name or spelling.  If anyone has any
idea where i can find more information on this software, please e-mail
me.
					thank's


From syllabus@intergate.bc.ca Sun Apr  7 09:06:44 EDT 1996
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From: RAIC Syllabus National Office <syllabus@intergate.bc.ca>
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Many individuals who wish to practise architecture are, for a variety of 
personal reasons, unable to attend university on a full-time basis to 
obtain the necessary education. The Royal Architectural Institute of 
Canada (RAIC) Syllabus offers an accessible alternative through a 
directed, self-paced program of academic studies, design studios, and 
practical experience leading to a professional Diploma in Architecture 
recognized by the Canadian Architectural Certification Board (CACB). The 
Syllabus is sponsored by the RAIC and the Committee of Canadian 
Architectural Councils (CCAC). While the National Office of the Syllabus 
is situated in Vancouver, British Columbia, centres are presently active 
in most major urban areas of Canada. 

For a detailed information package which includes a calendar with course 
descriptions, fee schedule and enrollment procedures, or to discuss 
personal concerns or questions, contact Ms. Jean Stratton, National 
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From mchenry@unm.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:45 EDT 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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Subject: Re: Rammed Earth Restoration
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In article <4jmakr$203@lynx.unm.edu>, mchenry@unm.edu says...
>
>In article <4jerc0$ep3@vivaldi.telepac.pt>, dbcon@telepac.pt says...
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I'm about to restore a small one storey rammed earth structure. 
>>The walls are about 16 inches thick and have no coating at all. 
>>I'm not sure about when it was built, I would say about 30 to 
>>50 years ago. The inside surface of the wall is in very good 
>>condition and just needs a lime/sand coating. 
>>
>>I don't know what to do about the outside surface. It has been 
>>washed out by about 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch, judging by the larger 
>>pebbles protruding from the wall. Does anybody have an opinion
>>whether to use a lime/sand or a cement/sand coating and in what
>>proportion? Or is there a better way?
>>
>>There are the occasional showers, but rain is not a primary 
>>concern. Large variations in air humidity, ranging from very
>>humid winters to very dry summers are more important. Consequently,
>>the capacity of the clay wall to absorb and give off humidity 
>>is very important.
>>
>>Any advice welcome.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Dieter Brand 
>>dbcon@telepac.pt
>>
>>
>>
>Dear Deiter...
>
>Rainfall, as you have already discovered, has minimal effect on earth walls (adobe or rammed earth)
>
>Exterior can be left as is which continues to erode slowly and may not be attractive to many, BUT, you can also cover this exterior with succo net and cem
>long range good treatment, with a variety of colors available.. If you go this route, it will tend to seal the wall, and can trap moisture, which can do u
>This is not a problem if the building is well maintained in roof leaks, scupper flashing, etc.  Also the surface can be renewed with more earth, and rubbe
>
>Check out the home page for the EARTH ARCHITECTURE CENTER INTERNATIONAL.
>
>        http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry/
>
>  We collect and disseminat information on earth building.
>
>regards,
>P. G. (Buzz) McHenry
>
Deiter:

Sorry about the garbled reponse to your inquiry on rammed earth walls.
Most R E walls are only affected slightly by rainfall.  Major damage comes from
ground water or channeled roof leaks where a stream of water cuts the wall.

As you have noted, the past 50 years have only eroded 1/4" +/-
To make it look better, you might use cement stucco ( stucco net,
plus scratch, brown and color coats) or some
of the new elastomeric coatings like STO.  These work well if the building
is properly maintaines from roof leaks, scupper flashing etc.  But it causes a 
problem by sealing off the wall which may become damaged from water, but is 
concealed by the waterproof stucco.  Most liquid coatings will not last 
more than 2 years or so, and as they sink in and consolidate the surface,
when they do separate, it may be more damaging than the normal erosion.

Visit the home page of the EARTH ARCHITECTURE CENTER INTERNATIONAL

    http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry/

Lots of information sources.

McHenry
	



From Leticia_Lau@sciarc.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:45 EDT 1996
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ArchiCAD for Mac/Windows for sale

2D/3D/rendering/animation/cost estimation/spreadsheet all-in-one package.
Totally awesome software.

I have an extra copy to sell. 

Street price and direct from Graphisoft costs $5,000. I am asking for $2,800.
All manuals, total transfer of ownership, etc.

Contact Leticia at
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(310)314-8680
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From swanton@river.biddeford.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:45 EDT 1996
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In article <4jgbh2$aga@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
Carl Steen <bk720@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>Does anyone know of inexpensive ways to make =double= paned
>greenhouse glass panels that do not trap condensation?
>We intend to build them of wood frames and thought that
>sealing them in a very dry environment and sealing them
>well in the framing process would help.
>Perhaps there is some type of caulking that is better than
>other types for preventing condensation?

 Wood is porous and will absorb and release moisure continuously
 in an effort to reach eqilibrium moisture content. If the 
 ambient relative humidity is high and the moisture content of
 the wood is low, mositure will be absorbed. If the air is 
 relatively dry, moisture will pass from the wood to the surrounding
 air.  If you were to seal glass to wood in a very dry environment, 
 moisture will inevitably pass through the wood from the outside
 air to the air gap.

 Also, a large pane of glass will expand and contract a fair amount
 with changing temperature. Maintaining an airtight seal will not
 be easy. Independant of any attempts to prevent condensation, be 
 sure to provide for this expansion and contraction or your windows
 WILL break.

 I am not expert in this field but I believe prefab units are both
 hermetically sealed and include a dessicant band to avoid condensation.

 A low tech approach might be to provide for ventilation to allow 
 moisture to escape. Many frames have 'weep holes' to allow condensed
 water to escape and prevent rot. Small vent holes could probably 
 serve without significant thermal penalties. 
 
 More expert parties are encouraged to substantiate or refute at will.
 gps



From kes60@aol.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:46 EDT 1996
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Subject: I.D. P.M.'s Needed in L.A.
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Internationally active, U.S.-based design firm wants to hire two key
INTERIORS PROJECT MANAGERS to join its Los Angeles office.  Good
candidates for both positions will have:

-  a minimum of ten years of professional experience
-  outstanding consulting skills
-  excellent client and peer references
-  solid experience in leading/directing/mentoring project teams
-  strong management skills to handle budgeting, staffing, contracts
-  demonstrated ability to make a long-term commitment 
-  Bachelor's degree in Interior Design or Architecture

Each position requires these specific qualifications:

Corporate Interiors Project Manager:  significant experience on interiors
projects of 100K+ sf for corporate clients

Entertainment Interiors Project Manager:  technical experience in sound
stage, post production, editing, etc. facilities and strong design
abilities


Professionals currently practicing in Southern California are especially
encouraged to inquire.  People interested in learning more about these
opportunities may send a letter and resume in confidence to the consultant
retained to manage these searches:

Kathryn Sprankle, Vice President
Zweig White & Associates, Inc.
243 Vallejo Street
San Francisco, CA 94111
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Zweig White & Associates, Inc. is a Natick, MA -based management
consulting practice serving engineering, architecture, and environmental
consulting firms exclusively.  Kathryn Sprankle is the partner in charge
of the San Francisco satellite office.


From david.newton@symbios.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:46 EDT 1996
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svaccer@ix.netcom.com lamented that eng./ID folks can't arhictect even if
they have the necessary skills:
>They [interior designers, engineers] are not allowed to enter any practice 
>that an architect might do as well even though they are well endowed with 
>the skills to do so.  

svaccer@ix.netcom.com then went on to say that no arhictects know anything
about interior design even though they're trying to do it:
> However, in the recent decline in work for Architects, they seek work
> doing Interior spaces.  They have no knowledge of Interior living.
> Interior Designers do.  

   Doesn't this seem a little lopsided?

-- 
Dave Newton           |           TOFU             |   (voice) (970) 225-4841
Symbios Logic, Inc.   | Real Food for Real People. |     (fax) (970) 226-9582
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there is a place in plainview texas to get the tires 
email Dusty@plainview.com for more information


From Dusty@plainview.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:47 EDT 1996
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From: Dusty Stone <Dusty@plainview.com>
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I would be willing to help in all aspects of this   I am an architecture 
student at Texas Tech University in Lubbock Texas    There are numerous 
"underground" homes here and I have a couple of friends that have the 
same thing in Colorado and Utah. If interested please contact 
Dusty@plainview.com


From gregor.zienterra@dortmund.netsurf.de Sun Apr  7 09:06:48 EDT 1996
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From: Gregor Zienterra <gregor.zienterra@dortmund.netsurf.de>
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Subject: Infos zum Zulassungsverfahren Architektur
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Hallo Ihr da,

ich suche Infomaterial und Tips zum Zulassungsverfahren zum Studiengang
Architektur an einer FH.
In meiner Region (Ruhrgebiet) wird an den Fachhochschulen Münster, 
Bochum, Düsseldorf, Köln eine Prüfung zur künstlerisch-gestalterischen 
Eignung verlangt. Die besteht aus einer Prüfung an der FH und einer Mappe 
mit 15-20 Arbeitsproben.
Wer hat Erfahrung mit dem Zulassungsverfahren oder kann mir Tips zu 
Prüfung oder zur Mappe geben? Was wird verlangt? Kann man sich 
vorbereiten? Welche Themen sind für die Mappe gefragt?
Die Fachhochschulen halten sich in den Auskueften ziemlich bedeckt.

Waere super wenn sich jemand per e-mail meldet.

Gruesse Gregor
gregor.zienterra@dortmund.netsurf.de



From Marco.Tognon@ping.be Sun Apr  7 09:06:48 EDT 1996
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From: Tognon Marco <Marco.Tognon@ping.be>
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Leticia_Lau@sciarc.edu (Leticia Lau) wrote:

   ArchiCAD for Mac/Windows for sale
 
   2D/3D/rendering/animation/cost estimation/spreadsheet all-in-one package.
   Totally awesome software.
 
   I have an extra copy to sell. 
 
   Street price and direct from Graphisoft costs $5,000. I am asking for $2,800.
   All manuals, total transfer of ownership, etc.
 
Funny, A few messages ago, $4.800 / $2.600 and now $5.000 / $2.800.
Life is becoming expensive, day by day, but not at this rate.


I just saw the mailing, sorry, no hard feelings.

Bye,

Marco Tognon (from Genk, Belgium)


From mkargol@iastate.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:48 EDT 1996
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This week marks the start of the accreditation process for Iowa State
University.  Many hours of work has gone in to the preparation of the
College of Design and Armory for the presentation of student work.  The
displays cover the five floors of the Design College and fill the
available display area in the Armory.  I encourage all who will be in
the Ames area to stop in and see this enormous display of student work
in architecture.

Mark Kargol
mkargol@iastate.edu
AIAS second year rep(ISU)
CORE web author





From mkargol@iastate.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:49 EDT 1996
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This week marks the start of the accreditation process for Iowa State
University.  Many hours of work has gone in to the preparation of the
College of Design and Armory for the presentation of student work.  The
displays cover the five floors of the Design College and fill the
available display area in the Armory.  I encourage all who will be in
the Ames area to stop in and see this enormous display of student work
in architecture.

Mark Kargol
mkargol@iastate.edu
AIAS second year rep(ISU)
CORE web author





From mkargol@iastate.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:49 EDT 1996
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We have just completed the first issue of CORE on the Web.  Core is the
Iowa State University Student Journal of Architecture.  Check it out and
see what students in the Architecture field are doing.

http://www.iastate.edu/~stu_org/CORE/


Thanks

Mark Kargol
mkargol@iastate.edu
AIAS second year rep (ISU)
CORE web author





From ddt@primenet.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:49 EDT 1996
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Hello People!

I am writing a feature article for a major Internet magazine, and am
searching for appropriate people to profile.  We're looking for:

   "five people whose lives were changed forever
by online networking (human bonding as opposed to computer networking).
We'll ask them about: their inspiration to go online; their first
networking experience; their networking "turning point" (the point at which
their lives changed forever); the impact that the Internet has had on their
regular lives; the challenges the Internet presents; what the Internet
CAN'T deliver; and so on.

   We will profile: a small business person, a musician, an online gamer, an
artist, and a handicapped person or someone with a chronic disease. This is
a great opportunity to integrate human faces into our impersonal consumer
tech magazine."

   What's important is that we find exceptional people with very
interesting stories, people who are exemplary examples of each category. 
Now, if you're not intimidated by that (I know, sounds strrong, doesn't
it?), please email me at ddt@primenet.com with the basic information; if
you can, please also supply a phone number and an idea of your
geographical location.  Each profile will be brief: about 200-250 words.

Thanks!

-- 
see the worst of it at LA Sleaze, http:www.primenet.com/~ddt/lasleaze.html


From terry@cop2.health.ufl.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:50 EDT 1996
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Hi Gary,

I am looking for someone that can work with me to design and build a 
progressive/alternative home on a very conservative budget.  I have always wanted a 
contemporary home and have gathered ideas for years for what I would like in it.  I 
have gotten the impression that this type of architecture is possible to do 
conservatively although it seems this aspect is not pursued by many firms.  
Gainesville actually has few alternative architectural houses and those not 
conservatively priced. It looks like I will eventually settle for the norm with 
discontent.  Any ideas along the lines of this idea would be appreciated.  Any 
experience you have had in price per square foot, low to high to validate this 
thought either way would also be appreciated.  I don't need to keep beating the 
horse if he's not going to go anywhere.

Thanks



From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:50 EDT 1996
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From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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Hla Tin  <genotech@hooked.net> wrote:

>If anybody knows the sources for 50 gallon solar water heaters 
>please let me know. I have a need for these for a developing country.
>I am located in California and would prefer a Calif. source.

How about combining PV and water heating?

                               .
clear corrugated         . i   T   i .  
  polycarbonate-->  .  .                   .
              .  . <--PV panel                   .
        .  .                                           .

In other words, use 4' x 12' Dynaglas polycarbonate "shingles" from SPS in
San Jose, CA (408) 997-6100 or Replex (800) 726-5151 for the roof with
Stanford Ovshinsky's new 5%-efficiency "PV shingles" in long strips UNDER the
rafters, and put some insulation up in the ridge peak, with an 8' long x 6"
diameter galvanized steel or PVC pipe water tank up there under the insulation,
with no insulation underneath the tank, so the tank is heated by solar hot air
>from  the shingle-PV cavity, or say, 2 GPM of water trickling over the 6 m^2 (?)
of PVs, collecting in a small gutter and being pumped back up to the tank,
with a tiny PV-powered pump, when the tank water temp is low, with some sort
of damper with a bimetallic spring that opens near the top of the cavity to
let the PVs run cooler, when the tank is warm enough, eg the $11 AFV-1B
automatic foundation vent made by Leslie-Locke of Atlanta (gee, what a run-on
sentence :-)

Except for the PV part, this is cheaper than conventional roof construction,
and in a cold climate, it could provide daylighting and space heat for the
house beneath, if a reflective motorized return air damper in the insulated
attic floor, hinged on the north side, tilted up to the south and a fan blew
air down from the attic peak through one of the PV cavities, in sunny times.

Ovshinsky shingles are made in California, and make about 50 w/m^2 in peak sun
at 25 C, according to engineer Jim Young at United Solar (800) 397-2083, who
says this only decreases to 45 w/m^2 at 60 C. He says the current retail price
of their least expensive product is about $4.50/peak watt.

Nick

PS: I would guess these shingles won't get cheaper quickly, from this email
dialog with Villanova University's Professor Singh, posted with permission. 

Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:08:16 -0500
To: nick@ece.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
From: "Dr. P. Singh" <singh@ece.vill.edu>
Subject: Re: inexpensive PVs...

Nick:

        I am glad to see that you are getting some opportunities to contribute
to a few solar home designs. I have still not found a student group to work
on the solar shed - as soon as I do we'll follow up on that project. 

>He didn't mention that it was that complex, and I'd gotten the impression
>somehow that the substrate was ordinary cheap mild steel...

        Ovshinsky's panels used to use a Japanese steel because they could
not find an American steel manufacturer that made steel with a smooth enough
morphology to make good devices !! The process is complicated because the
amorphous silicon needs to have a low enough density of impurities and
defects in order to make devices. The amorphous silicon solar panels
actually start off as 8-10% efficiency and drop down to 5% because of
optical generation of defects in the amorphous silicon material. In
research, non-degraded 10% amorphous silicon cells have been demonstrated
but I don't think that they have reached production yet. 

        It is actually quite difficult to make solar cells that are 10%
efficient - especially over large areas. Imagine making square feet of solar
panels that are low in defects and impurities - it's not easy !! 

        The only company electrodepositing solar panels is BP Solar in
England. I'm not sure of the status of their production. 

        I hope that this information is useful to help you understand a
little more about PV processing. Please feel free to disseminate this
information to whomever you wish - but I would like you to mention me as the
source in case others wish to contact me for more information (especially on
my research work). 

        Hope we see some Sun again soon - it's quite dreary outside today.

        Pali
         
At 04:08 PM 3/28/96 -0500, you wrote:
 
 Hi Pali,
 
 >        I have a couple of corrections to make to your statements about my
 >PV research and Ovshinsky's panels.
 
 Thank you.
 
 >I am working on electroplated solar cells on transparent substrates.
 
 Sorry, I guess I missed that when you explained to me what you were doing.
 
 >The electroplating process is a low temperature process (60 C) and so could
 >potentially be used on plastic substrates with a transparent conducting
 >oxide (such as tin oxide or indium tin oxide) as the transparent contact.
 >This would allow potentially low cost devices to be manufactured since the
 >process and materials costs could both be very low. The transparent substrate
 >would also allow heat to pass through so that the use of these devices in
 >a hybrid electrical/thermal system would be a great idea. It also makes
 >a lot of sense to use these types of PV cells in a hybrid solar collector
 >with a heat exchanger because that would allow the cells to operate a
 >little more efficiently !!
 
 I do recall your mentioning that a little company in Maryland was actually
 producing these... Ovshinsky PVs make 50 w/m^2 in peak sun at 20 C, and 45 w
 at 60 C. I wonder about the efficiency of your plated cells might be at
 40-60 C, ie water heating temps... Or will that damage them?
 
 In Ovshinsky's case, the PVs would absorb 90% of the sun as heat, which might
 heat air or water directly, but in your case, I guess that 90% would shine on
 through the  cell to strike a dark surface, perhaps behind another transparent
 layer with an air gap on each side, so your cells would run cooler in this
 application, I guess. 
 
 >I will keep you informed as to how the research is going but don't hold
 >your breath - after all it is research and may take a few years to get to
 >a point before it is commercially viable. 
 
 Sure... Altho you seem to be more interested in coming up with a practical
 product than many other scientists and professors... I'd be happy to post 
 some edited version of this email of yours to our AE list, about 500 amateurs
 worldwide, and a few professionals, with your permission, anon if you like.
 Most of the info they get about PVs comes from fairly slanted advertising and
 press releases.
 
 >        In terms of Ovshinsky's cells, these are amorphous silicon alloys
 >that are made by a plasma assisted chemical vapor deposition process. Those
 >big chambers that you have seen that look like a newpaper press are in fact
 >evacuated chambers in which gases of SiH4, GeH4, CH4, PH3 (phosphine),
 >AsH3(arsine) and B2H6 (diborane) flow. An RF plasma is used to break down
 >these gases and the Silicon, germanium, carbon, hydrogen and dopant
 >components are driven to the stainless steel substrate by the capacitive DC
 >self-bias between anode and cathode capacitor plates.
 
 He didn't mention that it was that complex, and I'd gotten the impression
 somehow that the substrate was ordinary cheap mild steel...
 
 >The multiple chambers are used to deposit individual layers of a device
 >that may have as many as 10-12 layers !! This is not an inherently cheap
 >process in small scale production (<10MW/yr.) and so the selling price of
 >$4.50 a peak Watt is about the production price of these cells.
 
 I wonder why this has to be so complicated, if they are only aiming at
 5% efficiency? These things are basically just large area PN junctions
 with carefully non-shading top electrode, no? Not CMOS microprocessors...
 
 >(USSC is very secretive about its books and so the exact production price
 >is generally not known
 
 Jim Young of USSC gave me that "retail price." I assumed these things cost
 them a lot less to make, at 5% efficiency, and that USSC was charging what
 the market will bear, and making lots of money competing against crystalline
 cells, where mounting area is not a big factor. John Page also mentioned
 that Ovshinsky seemed to leave out some details in his talk. 
 
 >but Solarex's
 >Thin Film Division makes a similar product and they are selling the cells
 >for more than it costs to make them). As far as I am aware only the Solarex
 >polycrystalline silicon cell division is making money as a solar cell
 >manufacturer and they are selling at about $3.50 a peak Watt for large
 >orders. There is a joint venture between Enron Corp. and Amoco (Solarex's
 >parent company) to make a 10 MW/yr. thin film PV manufacturing facility in
 >Virginia. Until now the amorphous silicon community has said that the cost
 >of amorphous silicon PV will drop dramatically (down to less than $1/Wp) if
 >they could take advantage of economies of scale and produce at least 10MWp/yr.
 
 Seems like they have been saying that for 30 years :-) I read a paper
 by Ovshinsky in Physics Review in about 1966...
 
 >Enron has called their bluff and so let's see what happens !! Keep posted.
 
 OK...
 
 >In the meantime Solarex's polycrystalline silicon cell division is
 >ramping up to increase their production capacity three-fold and Siemens
 >Solar (what used to be ARCO Solar) is also increasing production. So there
 >is a growing market for PV but primarily for remote applications in
 >developing countries. 
 
 The figure I heard is that 80% of our PV production goes overseas, a lot
 of that to the 2 vbillion people  in the world who have no elecrcity at all. 
 Just mud and tin huts with dry cells and candles, I guess.
  
 >        I agree that we should start any solar home design with trying to
 >meet the heating load of a house through good passive solar design (after
 >insulating the house as well as possible) and then look to fund PV to supply
 >the necessary but small electric load (if economically justified). 
 
 Good. Would you still like a solar shed in your yard?
 
 >        I'm still looking for students for solar homes projects - I'll let
 >you know if I get any bites. 
 
 Thanks. I'm going to try to show up for the second day of the current
 senior project talks. Dr. K sent me a schedule. Meanwhile, I'm helping
 design a 100% solar house in Lebanon, PA, and it looks like I might
 be helping design another in Seattle, where they have no sun :-), and my
 episcopal friend Father Jim Evans from Phoenixville, who has built about
 500 low income houses in this area over the last 10 years or so, some with
 his own hands, says he'd like me to help figure out how to make cheaper
 electricity for people in St Kitts, which has lots of wind, 16 mph average
 in some places, and some dormant volcanos with geothermal potential. He's
 building a conference center surrounded by 50 new vacation homes, which
 may want solar water heaters in the roofs, combined with PVs?

Nick



From mshaf@darkwing.uoregon.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:51 EDT 1996
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I'm building a home and am looking for a "clearing house" web page for 
sustainable materials preferrably serving the Pacific NW.

cheers, shaf
-- 
<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\  cogito, ergo zZOooOM  /\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>/\<\/>
       Michael Shaffer, R.A.     -     mshaf@oregon.uoregon.edu
Geological Science's Electron Probe Facility at the University of Oregon 
                http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mshaf/epmahome/



From msalex@concentric.net Sun Apr  7 09:06:52 EDT 1996
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From: Marjorie Alexander <msalex@concentric.net>
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It's in Rico, CO, and I've requested info to be mailed to me, and I 
haven't received anything.





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From: Marjorie Alexander <msalex@concentric.net>
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Subject: Rammed earth blocks?
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I'd love some info/experience "stories".  Sounds easier than rammed earth 
walls.  



From madee@hal-pc.org Sun Apr  7 09:06:52 EDT 1996
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To: mark@murder.compulink.co.uk

mark@murder.compulink.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) wrote:
>hopee@usa.pipeline.com wrote:
>

>>come loose and/or a way to keep water in the stall without that cumbersome
>>strip.   
>>        
>
>Can't help with the tiles, but heres an idea about the water problem.
>The reason for the lip is to contain water, which then drains via ( I
>assume ) some central drain. Why not replace the lip by a ( flat ! )
>drain ? You could use this drain in place of the existing one ( you
>might want to extend it all around the shower and raise the bed of the
>shower slightly ), or just replace the lip. You'd be trading slightly
>more complicated plumbing for a 'lip-less' solution. The drain cover
>would need to be strong enough to stand on/roll over, and not hurt
>feet or trap wheels, but that all seems easy enough.
>
>NB I haven't tried this, but I've seen a related idea used around
>swimming pools.
>

Shower floors are made slightly concave to provide drainage to the 
center or sometimes slightly offcenter drain.  Your lipless solution
would not provide the needed drainage.  Showers can be built to provide
for wheelchair entry, etc. that do not have the "lip" but it is somewhat
more sophisticated than what you suggest. Drainage is important to 
control mold and other problems.





From tmizerek@deltanet.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:53 EDT 1996
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From: Ted Mizerek <tmizerek@deltanet.com>
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For custom design tables and workstations visit PetersonDesign at 
http://www.petersondesign.com

Ted Mizerek
PetersonDesign


From webarch@kern.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:53 EDT 1996
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In <4jakhr$lop@news-e2c.gnn.com>, Martin Dreiling <MDreiling@gnn.com> writes:
>
>In article <4ja7mp$eqh@news-e2b.gnn.com> Bob  Michaelis wrote:
>

>
>I am very curious of the environmental impact of the ADA has ever 
>been compared to the actual benefits of compliance.
>

If you think the ADA is bad for the environment, 
you should take a look at Hospital construction.

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From jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:54 EDT 1996
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From: "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Well if you look at Carnegie Mellon's new University Center, currently
under construction, i think you'll find that Speer is having an
unexpected resurgence of influence....

On a more serious level, i think you'll find that the trend is towards
megacenters with food courts, athletic facilities, meeting space,
offices, etc. This may or may not benefit the student body. Mount
Holyoke College also has a recently completed student center. But i urge
you to look at what the students are saying, not anyone else's opinion
(CMU's monstrosity, which doesn't address 75% of the old student
center's problems, has won several awards).

JMR

93 SL2, blue-green

I got a beat-up glove, a homemade bat, 
  And a brand new pair of shoes;
  I think it's time to give this game a ride.
  Just to hit the ball
  And touch them all --
  A moment in the sun --
  It's a-gone and you can tell that one goodbye.

"What's the use of a good house if you don't have a decent planet to put
it on?."



From tim_aikin@biw.co.uk Sun Apr  7 09:06:54 EDT 1996
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From: Tim Aikin <tim_aikin@biw.co.uk>
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The Building Information Warehouse Site has been upgraded April 1996.

http://www.biw.co.uk

Set up to help provide a place where Construction Professionals,
Educationalist, Contractors, Product Manufactures, Publishers,
Institutes, Trade Associations, Researchers and Software vendors
can all communicate with each other. A who's who on the internet 
in the UK world of Construction and a helping hand to get connected.

New site features include.
Free registration and creation of a mini web page with upto 250
word description and links to email and web sites.
Extended secondary index's covering more aspects of the Construction
Industry in the UK. 
Construct IT 96 UK special presentation. 
We are still receiving approvals and changes for descriptions 
but are opening the doors so that you can benefit early from a 
Virtual World of Construct IT . 

Netscape 2.0 and above Browser features included are:-

Frames:- Multiple windows with permanent top menu icon bar
Ticker Tape News:- a news strip running along the bottom which 
people are encouraged to submit items for.
Animated graphics:- GIF animation logos and how they are achieved.

Web Browser technology:-
VRML:- coming soon a virtual biw world and introduction to the state of
the technology.
JAVA:- applications in development to enhance pages.

The BIW is part of the Construction Industry Gateway Project sister 
server 
CIG (Construction Information Gateway) http://cig.bre.co.uk.

The BIW is on the Pipex Network. Access to the Site has been tested
and the following should be noted.
A UK ,or European, service provider is recommended for access at any 
time of day.
Access via Compuserve or America On-Line should be before 1pm GMT. See 
our "access details" on the site.
 
If you have trouble accessing the site please email me or the 
webmaster@biw.co.uk
stating date, time, location, network, connection type, and speed.  

We look forward to you visiting us and registering your presence.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~        
_______T  i  m   A  i  k  i  n   R. I. B. A.      ______
       email:tim_aikin@biw.co.uk               __/
_______for the Building Information Warehouse_/


From rvanmatr@nmsu.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:55 EDT 1996
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From: RICKY D VAN MATRE <rvanmatr@nmsu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Rammed Earth Restoration
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:13:32 -0700
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On 31 Mar 1996, Dieter Brand wrote:

> 
> As I said, the walls are 16 inch thick. They are weathered 
> on the outside; about 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch has already
> been washed away. They desperately need a coating before
> the next winter.  What do you call *rain protection*?
> The local building codes don't allow overhanging roofs.
> 
> Dieter Brand
> dbcon@telepac.pt
> 
> 
>I'm not sure, but I thought McHenry answered this question. He's tops in 
building with mud, so believe him! 
Basically, that amount of wear is trivial. I read somewhere that adobe 
deteriorates 1 in in 20-30 years. Unprotected. Stucco it! It's easy.
Just use chicken wire, staple it with inch staples, or the hard way, nail 
it, then apply stucco-premixed, like Santa Fe stucco, is pretty darn nice.
You apply it 1 bag at a time, and use a float with water on it, and rub 
it all over to make a nice sand surface.  works well, even an amateur can 
do it well. Just make sure you have gutters and downspots to keep water 
>from  running in a stream onto the untreated mud. That's what causes 
problems. KM (Builder of a small adobe house) 


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From: RICKY D VAN MATRE <rvanmatr@nmsu.edu>
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On 31 Mar 1996, Nick Pine wrote:

> George <bubba@lgn.com> wrote:
> 
> >How about this,,,
> 
> Very clever :-) I've never seen anyone suggest doing this sort of thing. 
> 
> >Take a 6' by 6' piece of ground dig 4" deep
> 
> 6 x 6' seems a little small, and 4" seems a bit thick. How about 8 x 8,
> and 2" thick? 
> 
> >lay copper pipe up down up down in rows bent appropiately
> 
> Seems to me that some sort of plastic pipe would work well here too,
> with chicken wire on both sides...
> 
> >fill with concrete
> >paint flat black
> 
> OK.
> 
> >pry up end and place so sun can strike it
> 
> That might be hard to do, as you describe it. Concrete weighs about
> 150 pounds per cubic foot, so a 6 x 6 x 4" slab of it would weigh
> 150 x 6 x 6 x 4/12 = 1800 pounds. Seems like this would be easier if you
> put a layer of polyethylene on the ground first to act as a "mold release,"
> or put a board or two underneath before pouring, to help pry it up.

That's easy, use a car jack to lift it off the ground.


> 
> And what about insulation or glazing? Seems like this would work
> better with a transparent plastic cover, backed up to a straw bale/
> EPDM rubber lined water tank.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 


From arkatekt@aol.com Sun Apr  7 09:06:55 EDT 1996
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From: arkatekt@aol.com (Arkatekt)
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Subject: Need Ionic Capital Drawing Guidelines/CAD Dwg?
Date: 5 Apr 1996 14:27:27 -0500
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Does anybody have the correct mathematics for the construction of an Ionic
Volute and adjoining capital components? (Palladio, Scamozzi or whatever)

A CAD DXF file would be very helpful also.

Joel D. Silverwatch


From jlsmith@dayton.net Sun Apr  7 09:06:56 EDT 1996
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From: jlsmith@dayton.net (smith)
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r.sabbatini@fastnet.it (Riccardo Sabbatini) wrote:

>italy, 23/03/96

>i need the * exact* english version of the Le Corbusier phrase that
>sound like this "the plan is the architecture generator" (in the
>original french version you can find the phrase at page XXXVIII of
>"Vers une architecture")

>please reply to r.sabbatini@linknet.it

>thanks in advance
>Riccardo Sabbatini


Well according to my english version of "Towards a New
Architecture"(translated by Frederick Etchells) 1960, The phrase is
"The Plan is the generator."  (page 45).  Now wasnt that easy.

jlsmith



From reid_mtn@terranet.ab.ca Sun Apr  7 09:06:56 EDT 1996
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From: reid_mtn@terranet.ab.ca (Doug Beatty)
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need information on and specs for roof system for underground housing 
with 3-4 feet of clay on the roof. 
sources of supply would be helpfull.
location is 115d w long  56d n lat
may have ;missed something in the green roof support postings.

regards,

doug beatty



From rroxby@maine.maine.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:56 EDT 1996
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From: rroxby@maine.maine.edu (Robert Roxby)
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Subject: NY Times article about "green" materials?
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I'm going to renovate a house and am trying to find a New York Times 
article I saw a while (w/in last year or so) about "green" construction 
materials.  Can any of you point me to it, or to similar references?
Thanks, Bob



From novick@euronet.nl Sun Apr  7 09:06:57 EDT 1996
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From: Lenny <novick@euronet.nl>
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Subject: Philippe Starck address?
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Can anyone direct me to a snail mail or e-mail address for Philippe 
Starck? Please respond to my e-mail address: novick@euronet.nl. Much 
thanks.


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Apr  7 09:06:57 EDT 1996
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Summary: restoring an oil-fired greenhouse
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There has a plan to create a new wetland as well as restore an old greenhouse,
perhaps, at 121 Wartman Road owned by the Perkiomen Valley School District
in SE Pennsylvania, that looks approximately like this:

                                              N
                                      |       16'     |
The greenhouse sits on a cinder       ................. ---
block foundation that rises 2-3'      .       .       .
above the ground. The greenhouse      .       .       .
itself is made of metal angles and    .       .       .
glazing bars to fit overlapping       .       .       .
single panes of glass approximately   .       .       .
2' x 1.5' each. Above the block wall  .       .       .
is about 2' of vertical glass, then   .       .       .
another 4' or so of glass sloped at  W.       .       . 32' E
slightly less than a 1:1 pitch.       .       .       .
More than half of the panes of glass  .       .       .
are broken. There are no ventilation  .       .       . (These ASCII
fans, but the top sashes can be       .       .       .  pictures make
cranked open. The greenhouse has no   .       .       .  more sense in
insulation. Inside the walls there    .       .       .  a non-kerning
are two block troughs about 4' wide   .       .       .  font like courier.)
and 3' deep with some fin-tube pipe   ................. ___
beneath bench supports. To the 
north of the greenhouse is a small            S
equipment shed which used to contain
an oil burner (?) to heat the fin-tube pipes, with an expansion tank
in the ceiling. A tree is growing up through the broken glass of the
greenhouse at the north end. The top of the tree is about 6' above the
9' peak of the greenhouse. 
                                              .         ---
                                          .       .     ~4'
How might we solar heat this          .               . ---
greenhouse? This is a                 .               .
challenging project because the       .               . ~5'
greenhouse faces the wrong way        B   B       B   B
for that. Solar greenhouses usually   B   B       B   B 
run east and west, ideally with   ...............................
a reflective and insulating 
north wall, in the northern hemisphere.

It seems to me that the way to start this project is to remove all the
glass from the roof of the greenhouse and replace the broken glass on the
sides and endwalls with some of the unbroken panes. Then stretch two layers
of polyethylene film over the greenhouse itself, using one large 32' long
roll, and inflate a poly duct tube running north and south near the peak
of the roof to stretch the two films on cold or windy days with a small
(50 watt) blower, more or less following standard commercial plastic film
greenhouse practice. On warm calm sunny days the poly duct would be flat,
letting the two poly films form one surface, which would decrease the
R-value and increase the solar transmission, and save electricity. (The
cost of running a 50 watt blower 24 hours per day is about $50 per year.)

Next it seems like a good idea to remove the two tilting interior block walls
of the troughs and replace them with OSB or plywood walls with pressure
treated 2 x 4 bracing, to make a box that will be lined with some foamboard
and single pieces of EPDM rubber to make two water troughs about 32' long
x 4' wide x 2' deep, below the benches, to add about 512 ft^3 x 64 = 33K Btu/F
of thermal mass to the greenhouse. 

We might add another layer of plastic film inside the vertical glazing along
the walls, and a diagonal transparent roll-up R2 cover over the benches as
shown below from the south. This might be made from a 4' wide roll of bubble
pack insulation or some aluminized greenhouse fabric. 

    36 F   .         ---
       .       .     ~4'
   .               . ---        c is the transparent roll-up cover 
   . c           c .            p is the new plywood wall
   . T c       c   . ~5'        i is insulation under the plant benches
   B i p       p i B            w is water 
   B w p       p w B            T is the temperature of the plant benches
..............................

Suppose we keep the plants at T=66 F, 24 hours a day, when the roll-up
covers are closed. How much energy will that take, on an average winter day?

The plants will lose heat to the outside through the side glazing and plastic
films, which altogether have an R-value of about two. Let's be conservative
and assume the greenhouse itself is also 36 F inside, like the outdoors on
an average December day in Philadelphia. Then the amount of heat that leaks
out from the plant benches on an average day, Eout, will be about

Eout = 24 hr (66F-36F) 6'x 32'/R2 x 2 benches = 138K Btu/day.

Since a south wall in Philadelphia receives an average of about 1000 Btu/ft^2
of solar heat on an average day in December, of which 600 might be captured,
this means we need a solar collection area of about 138/0.6 = 230 ft^2, eg
a south wall 8' tall and 29' long. Adding a shallow frozen reflecting pool
(skating rink?) along the wall with a pond liner draped over a perimeter earth
berm would reduce the required size of the wall by about 50%, and prevent
vegetation from blocking the sun.

How warm must the water in the troughs be to provide stored heat for, say,
5 days without sun? About 66 F + 5 days x 138K/day/33K = 87 F.

The solar collecting wall could have a foundation made from the cinder blocks
recycled from the inner trough walls. It might look like this in cross section,
seen from the west:

          |  1 to 4'  |
      --- ............g     S -->
        iii        f  g
        iii    --> f  g     f might be the 4 sections of 32' fin-tube pipe
        iii--fan?--f  g       removed from the troughs
        iii   ^    f  g
        iii   |   s   g     s might be two layers of greenhouse shadecloth
        iii       s   g
        iii      s    g     g might be a single layer of flat Replex
      8'~~~           ~       polycarbonate glazing, or perhaps polyethylene
        iii   s       g
        iii   s       g     i might be fiberglass insulation in a stud wall
	iii  s <--    g       or a more interesting wall made of strawbales 
	iii  s        g       and mortar. Ray Lehman on 8th Avenue, Trappe,
	iii           g       sells 16" x 16" x 36" R30 rye strawbales for 
	iii s         g       $1.75 each. Rodents do not like rye straw.
 .......iii...........g.....  Ray also has some interesting strawbales that 
        cbcbcbcbcbcbcbcb      are 4' wide x 4' tall x 8' long...
     3' cbcbcbcbcbcbcbcb
    --- cbcbcbcbcbcbcbcb

The sun would shine in through the glazing and heat up the greenhouse
shadecloth here, which would heat up the air in the wall as it moves from
south to north, and the warm air would rise up north of the shadecloth and
flow through the fin tubes at the top, heating some antifreeze solution
that circulates through the fin tubes with a tiny pump when the sun is
shining and the trough water needs heat. How well would this work?

Each foot of fin-tube passes about 5 Btu/hr for each degree F of air-water
temperature difference in still air, so the overall thermal conductance of
128 linear feet of fin-tube is about 640 Btu/degree F. Or higher, if a
photovoltaic fan is used to whirl some air around through this large fin-tube
radiator at the top of the wall. The overall thermal conductance of 8' x 32'
of wall glazing is about 256 Btu/F, which seems promising, since heat tends
to take the path of least resistance, ie greater conductance. So the solar
heat that enters the wall will be happier going into the fin-tubes than back
out the glazing. What would the water and air temperatures Tw and Ta be on
an average 43 F (daytime) day in December using this system, with no fan? 

Here's the equivalent electrical circuit:   (sun current source)
                                                  ---------
                                                 | 256K Btu|       |
                      Tw -------wwww---------<---| over 6  |-------| |
                                 Rf      |       | hours   |       |
                                         |        ---------
                                         |
                                         |---------wwww---------- 43 F
                                         Ta         Rg

Rf is 1/640 and Rg is 1/256, and the sun power in is about 43K Btu/hour.

This is equivalent to the following (Thevenin) circuit:
 
                                                  ---------
                                                 | 43K Btu |       |
                      Tt -------wwww---------<---|   per   |-------| |
                                 Rt      |       |   hour  |       |
                                         Ta       ---------
                                          
in which Rt = 1/(640+256) = 1/896  and Tt = 0.714 Tw + 12.3, so

Ta = Tt + 43K/896 = Tt + 48 = 0.714 Tw + 12.3 + 48 = 0.714 Tw + 60.3 F.

So if Tw = 87 F, the sunspace air temperature will be about 122 F. Not bad.

If the energy that flows into the greenhouse during a day, Ein, is equal
to the energy that flow out of the greenhouse during a day, Eout, then
we have this approximate equation: 

Ein = 1000 (256) = 256K Btu/day sun energy 
    = 6hr (Ta-43) 256 solar wall loss (day)
    +18hr (28-28) 256 solar wall loss (ie no loss at night)
    +138K             greenhouse loss (24 hr) = Eout.

Solving this equation, we find Ta = 43 + 118K/1536 = 119.8 F, which is
pretty close to 122 F. This means the water will be almost 87 F. Good.
But it looks like we will need the frozen reflecting pond here, or a bigger
wall, or more fin tubes, or a fan or two, or two layers of glazing, or
a bench curtain with a higher R-value.

With the skating rink, we might have Ein = 1000 (256) 1.5 = 384K/day, so
the sunspace air temperature would be Ta = 43 + 246K/1536 = 160 F during
the day, and the water temperature would be Tw = (160 - 60)/.714 = 140 F.
Now we're cookin':-) There is lots of extra solar heat this way, so
the greenhouse interior can be a lot warmer than 43 F during the day.
This is all done with mirrors, of course :-)

So, here is one possible solution: 
                                              N
                                      |       16'     |
                                      ................. ---
 .....................                .       .       .
 .                   .                .       .       .
 .   chicken coop    .                .       .       .
 .                   .                .       .       .
 .                   .                .       .       .
 .                   .                .       .       .
 .....................                .       .       .
                                    W .       .       . 32' E
                                      .       .       .
                                      .       .       .
                                      .       .       .
                                      .       .       .
                                      .       .       .
                     ..................       .       . 
                     .    straw wall  .       .       .  
                     .......................glass...... ___
                  4' .         solar wall             .
            .....................................................
            .        |               32'              |         .
            .                                                   .
            .                   reflecting pool                 .
         16'.          made from a single roll of 20' wide      .
            .              EPDM rubber roofing material         .
            .                                                   .
            .                      <--  50' -->                 .
            .....................................................

                                     S

                                       36 F   .         ---
                     .....................        ..... ~4'
                     .                .               . ---     
                     .                . c           c .        
                  8' .   solar wall   . T c       c   . ~5'   
                     .                B i p       p i B      
            .        .                B w p       p w B         .
.........................................................................

Happy Easter, everyone.

Nick

    My favorite structure on this property is a 12' x 20' dilapidated chicken
    coop, with the long dimension running EW, the right way to orient a solar
    structure. It has a roof that slopes up 2' from the north to the south
    along the 12' dimension. Part of the building was probably used for plant
    propagation, since there is a bench on the south side behind some windows,
    with an old green 4" x 6" box on the wall marked "Mist-a-Matic," made by
    E C Geiger of North Wales, PA. More about that chicken coop later...



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	I am looking to build an underground house out of conrete(blocks or 
monolithic).  I would like it to be cheap and classify it as a fallout 
shelter, due to zoning restrictions here.  I'm thinking under 1,000 sq. feet.  
any ideas?

Thanks,
Jon Auman
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Yes, several commercially available benign tubings exist which would be
far more flexible and durable if not as efficient at conduction.


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In connection with a project in which I am involved in the UK, can
anybody recommend a site that deals with up-to-date methods/practice for
the solar heating of domestic buildings?

Thanks

Ian Robinson
I. D. Robinson Architects: London
Architects and Urban Designers
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Ken Loomis wrote:
> 
> NASA Developed "Super Insulation" Now Available to the Public
> 
> The "Super Insulation" that NASA developed for use in the space program is
> now available in quantities that make it affordable for the general
> public.  It is a clean, economical alternative to fiberglass.  And unlike
> traditional insulation, that merely SLOWS heat transfer, this product
> STOPS 97% of the heat, resulting in substantial energy savings.  In the
> summer, it keeps unwanted heat out, and in the winter, it keeps desirable
> heat in.
> 
> This product is available in residential, commerical, and industrial
> grades.  It can be used for everything from insulating buildings to
> insulating freezers to insulating cold-storage transport containers.
> Wherever there is hot or cold, this product has an application.
> 
> For more information, send an e-mail to:
> 
> kloomis@U-B-Kool.com
> 
> or, visit our web site at:
> 
> http://www.u-b-kool.com/
> 
> Thank you,
> Ken Loomis

We often depend on thermal insulators to also provide acoustical 
absorption to improve the sound insulation of walls.  Does this material 
provide acoustical absorption like fiberglass, mineral fiber, and 
cellulose, or is it more like styrofoam that is acoustically useless?

Noral Stewart



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On Mar 31, 1996 08:50:18 in article <Re: Solar Water Heating>, 'George
<bubba@lgn.com>' wrote: 
> 
>How about this,,, 
> 
>Take a 6' by 6' piece of ground dig 4" deep lay copper pipe up down up
down in  
>rows bent appropiately fill with concrete 
>paint flat black 
>pry up end and place so sun can strike it connect your hose to the copper
tube 
> 
>every inch of this would collect heat and disperse into the concrete and
water  
>passing through the slab would suck the heat out.... 
> 
>just a idea for CHEAP solar heat 
> 
> 
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>email    bubba@lgn.com 
 
George: 
 
You might want to check out Frank Lloyd Wright's experience with radiant
floor heating before you use this for a long term solution.  I think that
Mr. Wright used copper pipes in concrete floors in the 50's, and found that
they would only last a few years due to a chemical reaction between the
concrete and copper. 
 
Joe


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Job opening for one Temporary or Permanent architectual draftperson at 
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You might contact the Yestermorrow Center  RR 1  Box 97-5 
Warren Vt  05674 802-496-5545 /802-296-5540 fax; they teach
various bldg alternative processes

Also Environmental Building News -their pub is excellent, and they
have a handy bibliography of books and pubs.
RR 1, Box 161 Brattleboro, VT 05301 tel: 802-257-7300; 257-7304  fax

Products & Information for Energy Independence Since 1978:
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B. J. Harris, The Harris Directory, Stafford-Harris, Inc.
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ETCETERA! pls. add to this list!

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From vkmF92@hamp.hampshire.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:50 EDT 1996
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I've been to Mt. Holyoke's student center.  Not a bad little place 
they've got going over there.  It's got a lot of comfy seating up on a 
balcony level above a main seating area.  Most people, I think choose to 
sit above and study up there.  A few, if they are getting food from the 
snack bar hang out down below (although I don't quite know what they need 
a snack bar for anyways, since they have M&C's every night at 9.) (M&C's 
short for Milk and Cookies, but they have other types of snackables too...)
But, back to the subject at hand.  Our college doesn't have a student 
center.  UC Berkeley, when I was there, I thought they had a pretty 
decent one with a travel agent, an arcade in the basement, a bar, a 
couple of food type places, and areas to hang out.  Good student center 
for a large university.  I heard somewhere that the student center at MIT 
was a good one, but that may be just hearsay.
8)
Vince



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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960406150417.20739I-100000@verdi>,
   RICKY D VAN MATRE <rvanmatr@nmsu.edu> wrote:
>On 4 Apr 1996, Marjorie Alexander wrote:
>
>> I'd love some info/experience "stories".  Sounds easier than rammed earth 
>> walls.  
>> 
>> 
>>Why would anybody want rammed earth bricks?  The adobe bricks are just 
>fine. KM 

The brief descriptions I read about rammed earth blocks suggest that they 
would be much more durable and stable in wet, temperate climates than adobe 
AND that their manufacture is far less labour intensive than adobe. (and hence 
less costly??) However, the brief snippet I read really did not give any hard 
numbers about durability and cost. 


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         hello...my name is jake and i'm interested in some info 
concerning quality architecture colleges and their tuition. anyone have 
any bits of knowledge or advice i would certainly appreciate it.  i 
attend texas tech university, have not declered arch. major yet because i 
dont really want to stay here.  the arch. college here is supposed to be 
very good. im interested in design and want to incorporate the arts into 
my architecture.  i appreciate any help out there
                              .....jake johnson-----lubbock,tx


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It's a tough field out there, trying to get into architecture schools, 
Jake.  It's more difficult even since I started college, I noticed...
(I'm trying to get back into architecture school after having left for 
(OH NO!) a liberal arts education, but having no success...applied to 
five schools been rejected by four so far).  As far as cost...it depends 
where you go.  If you go to a state school, it will be less than at a 
private school like Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, or similar.
As far as the arts are concerned...architecture is an art.  Just remember 
that, and you should be OK.
8)
Vince



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Hi,

I'm looking for pictures and blueprints of pole houses
for inspiration. If you know of any good sites or have a few
yourself, please mail me.



Thanks

Emanuel Felix
peagb@lustudat.student.lu.se
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On 4 Apr 1996, Marjorie Alexander wrote:

> I'd love some info/experience "stories".  Sounds easier than rammed earth 
> walls.  
> 
> 
>Why would anybody want rammed earth bricks?  The adobe bricks are just 
fine. KM 


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As a native french reader, I would like to emphasize the meaning that the word *generator* in LC's original writing is to be understood in its double sense of *engine* a well as *gender*. This corroborates the fascination of LC for mass-production and mechanical finishes of details, as you can figure that in his first writing.
As an 14-years architect, altough I am a admirer of LC -who had the genious of not puttings his own theoreticals writings in practice- I summon you not to take these writing to litteraly in practice, the goal of an architect is to create beauty and comfort, not to demonstrate the powers of industrialization or even the cleverness of oneself's plan. I prefer to meditate on this old chinese sentence saying  *if the building belongs to its occupants, the facade belongs to the spectator in the streets*

Serge Lederman
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A friend writes: 

>I am interested in your solar closet for home heating and water heating.

Good...

>I have a vacation cabin in East Tennessee that I will eventually retire to.

Well, I see from the NREL _Solar Radiation Data Manual for Buildings_
(http://rredc.nrel.gov) that Knoxville gets 940 Btu/ft^2/day of sun on a
south wall on an average day in December, the average 24 hour outdoor
temperature is 40 F, and the average daytime temp is 50 F. Sounds like a
pretty good climate for solar heating... Microclimate could matter a lot
near the Smokies. I camped outdoors on Mt LaConte once, with a bear huffing
and puffing around my sleeping bag at 3 AM :-) Is there a lot of fog around
your cabin? Are there lots of bears?

What's the south wall look like? Is it shaded much by trees, etc.? Do you
have a south porch you could enclose, or could you add a lean-to sunspace?
With a reflecting pond in front of the sunspace?

>It is 970 square feet and is presently heated by two 110VAC in the wall
>strip heaters and a wood stove.

Can you guess how much fuel it might use per year if it were occupied all
the time? A cord of wood is something like 100 gallons of oil or 3000 kWh
of electrical energy or 100 ft^2 of south glazing over a winter. 

How well is the cabin insulated? Can you make it fairly airtight? A square
cabin that size might have about 1000 ft^2 of ceiling and 1000 ft^2 of walls.
With R11 insulation (fiberglass in a 2x4 wall), the thermal conductance might
be about 2000 ft^2/R11 = 180 Btu/hr/degree F, so on an average 40 F day in
December it would need about 24 hours (70F - 40 F) 180 = 130 K Btu/day
to keep it at 70 F inside. 

Water heating for 3 showers a day, each lasting 10 minutes at 3 gpm, would
need another 3 x 10 min x 3 gpm x 8 lb/gal x (110F - 60F) = 36K Btu/day, so
the house total might be 170K Btu/day, not counting internal heat gain from
electrical consumption. 

Where you are, a square foot of sunspace with no reflecting pond might gain
865 Btu/day and lose 6 hours (80F - 50F) 1 ft^2/R1 = 180 Btu/day, for a net
gain of 700 Btu/ft^2/day, so to provide a total of 170K Btu/day, you might
need 170K/700 = 240 ft^2 of sunspace, ie a sunspace running the length of
the south wall, 30' long x 8' tall. It might be some very clear single-layer
polycarbonate glazing that comes in rolls 4' wide, attached to 8' 2x4s or 12'
2 x 6s leaning against the cabin wall. Or a steep south polycarbonate roof.

Or... some very clear long lasting mylar film (eventually), starting out now
with polyethylene film, which costs about 4 cents/ft^2, and has a 3 year
guarantee and comes in very wide rolls and can be replaced like a large
bedsheet and recycled every three years, less often perhaps if the sunspace
is covered with greenhouse shadecloth in the summer. This might be a curved
sunspace, with the film stretched over galvanized pipes. It could be very
large and inexpensive, less than $1 per square foot. How does that sound?  

Behind or inside that, you might store heat for 5 days without sun in a small
insulated room, ie a solar closet storing 5 days x 170K = 850K Btu of heat.
A gallon of water at 130 F stores useful house heat until the water reaches
80 F or so, ie (130-80) 8 lb/gal = 400 Btu of house heat. So you might have 
850K/400 = 2000 gallons of water in your solar closet, in the form of 40
55 gallon plastic drums stacked up 2 high and 2 deep in a row 20' long, ie
a solar closet that is roughly 4' deep x 20' long x 8' tall. Or you might use
400 5 gallon plastic pails with lids, sitting on shelves made from cement
blocks and boards. If it turns out you don't need that much thermal mass,
you could put something else on the shelves.

For water heating, it might be good to have two sections of closet at
different temperatures, with the hotter section better-insulated and used
as a last resort for house heating, and the cooler one containing the section
of fin-tube pipe loop with the cold water input. You might have an electric
water heater in the closet with a small circulating pump, or a small fan
powered by a PV panel in the sunspace, drawing air down from the ceiling
and pushing it out the bottom of a 4' wide, 4" thick duct built onto an
inside wall, past 8' of fin-tube along the duct bottom, in a U-shape. 

A better place for an electric water heater (whose heating element almost
never turns on) might be on the floor above, so it could use a natural warm
water convection loop. I wonder if you have any sort of attic above the
south wall, or you would like to make a small sunspace up there... 

The solar closet glazing inside the sunspace glazing might have an area
of 8' x 20', a little more than half of the sunspace glazing. An ASCII
picture from above:

                           <-- old | new -->
                  30'               4'
     ...........................................   .   .   .   .
     .                             .   .       .
     .                             .   . refl  .                
     .                             .SC . surf? .
     .                             .   .       .               .
     .                             .   .20'    .
     .                             .   .       .                
     .                             .   .       .30'  South -->
     .      existing cabin         .   .  SS   .               .
     .                             .   .       .
     .                             .....       .  reflective    
     .                             .           .   surface?
     .                             .           .               .
     .                             .           .
     .                             .    12'    .
     ...........................................   .   .   .   .
                           <-- old | new -->

Or perhaps like this?
                           |   8'  |  8'   |      8-16'?

                              straw wall?
                    --     .................   .   .   .   .
                         s .      s.       .
                         t .      t. refl  .               .
                     |   r .  SC  r. surf? .
                    16'  a .      a.       .
                     |   w .......w.       .               .           
                         ? .      ?.   s   .       
                           . sauna .   u   .  reflective
     ...............................   n   .   surface?    .  South -->
     .              30'            .   s   .
     .                             .   p   .                       
     .                             .   a   .
     . 30'                      16'.   c   .               .
     .                             .   e   .
     .                             .       .                
     .                             .       .              
     .      existing cabin         .........   .   .   .   .
     .                             .  8'               
     .                             .           These pictures make more
     .                             .           sense when viewed in a
     .                             .           non-proportional font
     .                             .           like courier...
     .                             .        
     ...............................                          

If your existing cabin has little thermal mass, you might want to add some,
because it would be nice (but not necessary) if the cabin could get through
an average December night with no help from the solar closet. Is 55F at night
OK? Starting at 75 F at dusk, your cabin might need 18/24 x 130K = 100K Btu
to keep warm until dawn, ie 100K Btu = (75-65) M, where M is the number of
pounds of water in the house, so here, M = 5000. That's a lot of water...
10 more 55 gallon drums sprinkled around the house, or another 110 5 gallon
pails here and there :-) Perhaps the solar closet should provide some
overnight heat in this case, or the cabin should have more insulation.
At any rate, you see how this works.

The sunspace and solar closet and cabin thermal mass could be smaller if
the cabin were better insulated. Half the size with R22 insulation, a third
as big with R40, I guess. Surround the cabin with strawbale/mortar walls?

>If you are interested in designing a solar
>closet for my cabin please let me know what you would charge.

Hey, I just did it, free :-) Let me know how it works! Would you like me to
help you build it in May, August or September? Send me a sketch if you like,
or let me know if you would like to talk about modifications or if you have
questions. I could check out a specific design with a simulation using 30
years of Knoxville hourly weather data, if a certain physics student or
professor would get that data off a CD-ROM. We would really like to see this
technique tried out on a larger scale than our 2x4x8' outdoor test box... 

Nick

Nicholson L. Pine                      System design and consulting
Pine Associates, Ltd.                                (610) 489-0545 
821 Collegeville Road                           Fax: (610) 489-7057
Collegeville, PA 19426                     Email: nick@ece.vill.edu

Microprocessor hardware, memory, ASIC, and computer design. Telecommunication
system design. Computer simulation and modeling. High performance, low cost,
residential solar heating and cogeneration system design. BSEE, MSEE. Senior
Member, IEEE. Registered US Patent Agent. Fluent in French.



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Gentlemen ( and Gentlewomen):

I have always been intrigued by architectural models and model building in
general.  I have often considered trying my hand at professonal model
building, as I have acquired some skill over the years.  

My question is this - how does one embark on a career in architectural
model building?

Is this a valid career?  Or are models assigned to junior members of the
firm?  Are models a thing of the past in this day and age of CAD and
virtual reality presentations?

I have experience with model building (am very familiar with the materials
used), blueprint reading, and mechanical drawing - would I need an
architectural degree?

Any information that would point me in the right direction would be
greatly appreciated.

David Frank


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I am writting to appologize for my posting of advertising.  If the 
following header was seen in this newsgroup, please accept my appology 
and be assured that it will not happen again from me.

Header = "Trun your hobby into $$$ CASH $$$"

Thanky you,
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From jamesfdean@aol.com Sun Apr 21 12:45:54 EDT 1996
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Hello,
yes I have used madrone to build with a little.  I've never used it as a
real weight supporting structural wood but I believe it would work fine. 
It does have a tendency to crack really bad if it's dried too fast.  I
live in southern OR on the calif. border and we have lots of it to work
with.  I find if you cut it in the winter when the sap is low and keep it
covered with a tarp until early summer when it dries out, the cracking is
minimized. it is hard as hell to drive a spike or nail in tho.  


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:54 EDT 1996
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From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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Subject: Re: Rammed Earth Blocks
Date: 10 Apr 1996 09:48:16 -0400
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 <dogpack@onramp.net> wrote:

>There was an attempt to use rammed earth blocks in Dallas. It failed. They
>could never pass building code. Around $35k was spent...

Did you say there were architects involved? :-)

Nick



From chris@wirrleac.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 21 12:45:55 EDT 1996
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From: Wirral Energy Advice Centre <chris@wirrleac.demon.co.uk>
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In article <A4kmPKAuqjZxEwGD@idrarch.demon.co.uk>, Ian Robinson
<idr@idrarch.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>In connection with a project in which I am involved in the UK, can
>anybody recommend a site that deals with up-to-date methods/practice for
>the solar heating of domestic buildings?
>

-- 
The newsgroup alt.solar.thermal concentrates on active solar water heating.
However both at that site and in the outside world, I find a lack a good quality
research, in the UK, apart from testing of the collectors for instantaneous
performance by Cardiff University. Even then some results are not necessarily
made public. Government information from ETSU Harwell mostly covers market
penetration whilst the applicable BS is a little out-of-date. The Trade
Association offers mainly promotional assistance.Better research can be had
through European sources such as CADDET renewables. In do have a list of
interesting sites relevant to general active solar but in context of the above,
I will resist from typing out lots of http sites.
The good news is solar water heating is my speciality, both in design and
installation, and I am happy to discuss the latest developments. 
I consider the method of intergration and pattern of use of solar heat far more
critical than the type of collector. Pipework design, flow rates, pump cycling,
low temperature heat transfer and store stratification are where the real
advances lie. Collector manufacturers tend to not offer all the options ( if any
) in these areas.

Chris Laughton
The Solar Design Company
Wirral
England


From justs@luna.nl Sun Apr 21 12:45:55 EDT 1996
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From: Just Schimmelpenninck <justs@luna.nl>
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Hello,
We're proud to announce the Web-service of the Netherlands 
Architecture Institute (NAI) in Rotterdam.

address: http://www.nai.nl

e-mail:  info@nai.nl        (general information)
         publishers@nai.nl  (NAi Uitgevers/Publishers)
         archis@nai.nl      (editors ARCHIS)

The website is fully bi-lingual (Dutch/English).

Short description:
****************************************************
Everything about the epicentre of Dutch architecture: the 
Netherlands Architecture Institute.
****************************************************

On this site you'll find much information on exhibitions, other 
activities, facilities and publications.  Also general information 
(opening hours, admission prices, etc.) can be found.

The site also hosts the "RealSpace in QuickTimes - Architecture and 
Digitization" web space.

The information will be updated at least once a month.

Feel free to create links!

Questions?  contact me!

Just Schimmelpenninck


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:55 EDT 1996
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Certain standard works like the PSIC Guidelines for Passive Solar House
Design teach inefficient passive solar house design. But to me the principles
of efficient passive solar house design aren't hard to learn. UNlearning is
often the hard part. A couple of days ago, I explained most of them in
2 hours to a smart 13 year old, working thru 7 pages of simple equations
and examples together. I had asked her if she had studied algebra in school
yet (she was reading a physics text as I walked up to her at a science fair),
and she said "no, but I know all that" :-) And she did.

There was also a 12 year old doing bubble experiments. She discovered that
if she doped her standard bubble mix (1/2 cup green Dawn, 3 Tbs glycerin,
and 2 quarts of water) by adding 1/4 tsp of lemon juice, the bubbles lasted
111 seconds at 80 F and 506 sec at 45 F, vs 309 sec and 185 sec for the
standard solution. 1/4 tsp of maple syrup changed this to 431 and 345 sec.
She also tried adding jello, perfume, and another dozen substances... Her
parting thought was quite serious: "Dust is the enemy of bubbles."

So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent
a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl
tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at
night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy
solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer?
This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple
movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass,
and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in.
Commercial greenhouses use two huge layers of UV-treated polyethylene film
inflated to form an air pillow 4" thick. A tiny 50 watt blower can inflate
a 1 acre greenhouse. Would bubblewalls work with poly film pillows?

Bubbles tend to last longer in cold humid condtions. A layer of frozen
bubbles inside an outside glazing might be very good insulation on a very
cold night. Perhaps there is an optimal bubble size for insulation. Too
small, and convection losses might be small, but conduction losses and air
pump power and water transport thermal losses might be large. Too big, and
convection losses go up. Steve Baer tried making solar collectors with
bubblewalls years ago, but he let the sun shine though the bubbles during
the day, vs leaving the bubblewall cavity empty. He found that the walls 
of his bubbles were too thin to block IR re-radiation, altho he read later
that others had had more success. A bubblewall that is empty during the day
could be filled at night with bubbles with thicker or more opaque walls,
made with some viscous opaque solution, perhaps containing some green dye.
I guess we have to let a little air leak out of the top of the glazing 
cavity, but we would want to break the bubbles at the top and let the water
run back down through the cavity.

Ohm's law for heatflow is a good start: the amount of heat Q in Btu/hour
that flows through a wall with area A ft^2 and R-value R and temps Ti (F) on
one side and To on the other, is Q = (Ti-To)A/R. 

Here's one bubble wall test setup, a 2' cube divided in half by a bubble wall
that might have an R-value of 2 when empty and 12 when full. We might make
the cube out of 2" Styrofoam with an R-value of 10. One side could be kept
at 32 F with some melting ice at the top, with some foam on top and around
the ice tray, and the other side could be kept at 132 F with a thermostat
and a light bulb, with a piece of aluminum foil to shade the bubblewall from
the bulb. How much ice water might we collect in an hour with the bubblewall
empty and full of bubbles? What might we get for readings in each case if
we hook up the light bulb to a kWh meter? It's nice to have two ways to
check the heatflow through the bubble wall.

                       .........................      70 F room
                    .   ice     ..          .  .
                 .........................     .
                 .           ..          .     .
                 .    To     ..  Ti      . R10 .  2'
              2' .    32 F   ..  132 F   .     .
                 .           ..  light   .     .
                 .           ..  bulb    .  .
                 .........................    2'
                       1'         1' 
                             ^
                             |___ bubble wall

It takes 144 Btu to melt a pound of ice, and there are 3410 Btu in a kWh.

Nick



From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 21 12:45:55 EDT 1996
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A set of four 'AX' chairs by Peter Hvidt with Orla Mølgaard-Nielsen.
Laminated wood 'X' frames (reminiscent of the Barcelona chair) with
bright red fabric upholstery. Produced in 1986, these chairs are no
longer in production. Manufactured by Fritz Hansen, Denmark. £200
each. A mono Jpeg of this design is available on
alt.binaries.pictures.furniture For more details please email me;
graham@mancha.demon.co.uk or telephone +44 (0) 1296 615121
graham@mancha.demon.co.uk



From jhg@bu.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:56 EDT 1996
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From: Jim Gallagher <jhg@bu.edu>
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I'm investigating a variety of passive solar designs for housing.  I'm 
wondering what it's like to have the sun pour into your rooms all day 
long in the winter.  I'm sure the warmth is great, but what about the 
glare?  Do you wear sun glasses?  Is glare a problem?


From mchenry@unm.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:56 EDT 1996
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From: "Paul G. McHenry" <mchenry@unm.edu>
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Subject: Earth Architecture
Date: 12 Apr 1996 16:17:13 GMT
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I am trying to get in touch with Peter Stott, of the US?ICOMOS National 
Committee, at the suggestion of Michael Taylor, former Charirman of the 
Earth Architecture Committee.

Our organization the EARTH ARCHITECTURE CENTER INTERNATIONAL (EACI) was 
formed two years ago to collect and disseminate information on earthen 
building, from a worldwide perspective.  We have a home page that should 
be worthy of your interest:
It includes a large annotated bibliography on line with a searchable 
feature, linked to our home page.  Other resources includes availability 
of significant publications, many of which are out of print.
Please visit our home page and see for yourself.
   http://www.unm.edu/~mchenry/
We also currently include the full text of Mike Taylor's newsletter on 
earthen architecture, linked to out home page, and we would be pleased if 
you would place a link on your home page to ours.  WE CAN HELP YOU!

Paul G. (Buzz) McHenry
Managing Director, EACI



From ac_f534@kingston.ac.uk Sun Apr 21 12:45:56 EDT 1996
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From: Nicole Hammond <ac_f534@kingston.ac.uk>
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Subject: Architecture and Lucid dreaming webpage
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Greetings

I am a student at the school of Architecture at Kingston University,
and I would like to show you the results of a project I have done
involving lucid dreaming.

Please take a look and tell me what you think.

http://www.king.ac.uk/~ac_s066/nicole/start.htm

Cheers

Nicole Hammond


From arkishop@om.com.au Sun Apr 21 12:45:56 EDT 1996
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From: Malcolm Price <arkishop@om.com.au>
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Dear who ever you are,

This is malcolm from Byron bay Australia, my friend Mary-Lou would be 
just perfect for your job.  she's smart, fun, a fantastic designer, well 
travelled, ready to go, so what do you reckon, that is Australian speak.  
But seriously i don't know how to be serious, well not on a Friday 
afternoon just as I about to head off into the hills above this paradise 
home i live.  Still if you want to e-mail back, I am an architect and 
who knows we may have something in common.

yours sincerely
malcolm

PS The way i feel today it would be great to go somewhere else for a 
while.

PPS Where is Long Beach.




From Marcio Moreira Sun Apr 21 12:45:56 EDT 1996
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From: Marcio Moreira
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Hi All,

Anyone know if is there any standard for layers, colors and 
pens. Maybe AIA or ANSI have something like this.

Thanks


From username@oratmail.cfa.ilstu.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:57 EDT 1996
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Hi I am looking for information on commercial photographers who photograph
buildings and other commercial products. Does anyone know of any?  If so
please E-mail any information to me.

Thanks,
Phil Grussenmeyer
pjgruss@students.cfa.ilstu.edu


From username@oratmail.cfa.ilstu.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:57 EDT 1996
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I am looking fo information on good commercial photographers who
photograph buildings and other commercial products.  If anyone has any
information on this plese E-mail me at pjgruss@students.cfa.ilstu.edu.

Thanks,
Phil Grussenmeyer
Illinois State University
pjgruss@students.cfa.ilstu.edu


From jeannine.verhulst@infoboard.be Sun Apr 21 12:45:57 EDT 1996
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mouture de son logiciel de CAO pour architectes : ArchiTECH.PC 2.01.

Constructique - Paris CNIT - 16/17/18 Avril 96 - SoftCAD France - Stand C20

Après avoir conquis le marché professionnel des constructeurs et
architectes, SoftCAD cherche à rendre son logiciel de CAO indispensable
à la profession en lui intégrant de nouvelles fonctionnalités.
Cette fois SoftCAD concentre son effort sur la modélisation du terrain,
facilite la création graphique d'objets, améliore les outils de finition
technique 2D,... et n'en finit pas de peaufiner la qualité des images
photoréalistes.

Parmi les nouveautés, saluons en particulier le perfectionnement de rendu
d'images avec lequel ArchiTECH.PC amorce un nouveau virage dans le monde
des images de synthèse photoréalistes offrant des fonctionnalités
intégrées dignes des logiciels spécialisés en imagerie.
La nouvelle version permet le placage de textures (texture mapping),
composante essentielle du réalisme en imagerie 3D. Le "texture mapping"
consiste à plaquer sur un objet tridimensionnel une image obtenue par
dessin ou numérisation par scanner. Grâce à cette technique, des objets
du monde réel peuvent facilement être reproduits. Du tableau de maître,
en passant par les feuilles d'arbre, au motif de carrelage, de tuiles,
de marbre,... l'utilité du "texture mapping" s'avère incontestable pour
les images que doit produire l'architecte. Des textures 3D livrées en
standard avec le logiciel simulent les matériaux naturels (bois, pierre,
marbre, eau,...). L'architecte a bien entendu toute liberté pour la
création de ses propres textures. La phase de création de l'image est en
grande partie prise en charge par la machine. L'utilisateur se charge du
travail de conception mais laisse ensuite à l'ordinateur la tâche
d'exécution en fonction des paramètres qu'il aura assignés aux textures
existantes.

Le "bump-mapping" reconstitue un relief au départ d'images 2D en creusant
la surface des objets. On l'associe au placage de texture pour reproduire
certains matériaux par exemple un mur de briques.

Le ciel et les nuages sont reflétés sur les surfaces brillantes ou
transparentes. Un modèle d'illumination locale gère les réflexions
directes sur les objets.

ArchiTECH.PC se glisse dans les coulisses de la réalité virtuelle en
proposant une visualisation en relief des images grâce à la stéréoscopie.
Le principe de cette technique est de reconstituer la vision binoculaire
naturelle par la prise automatique de deux images séparées horizontalement
de la même distance que celle des yeux. Des lunettes anaglyphes bicolores,
livrées avec le logiciel, restituent alors l'image avec un relief
impressionnant.

Des films d'animation peuvent être enregistrés au format Windows(tm) AVI.
Les différentes trajectoires de caméras que l'architecte positionne dans
l'espace, permettront de donner vie à la création 3D. L'architecte définit
des passages de caméras et ArchiTECH.PC se charge d'interpoler leur
mouvement et leur rapidité en générant des scènes intermédiaires.

ArchiTECH.PC version 2.01 fait également la part belle à la modélisation
du Terrain par courbes de niveau et triangulation. L'importation de données
topographiques est possible sous divers formats. Il est très aisé de régler
par un dialogue d'importation, la structure du fichier de données à importer.
De nouvelles unités angulaires ont été introduites. Désormais des plateaux
horizontaux ou inclinés, ouverts ou fermés peuvent être définis dont la
hauteur optimale sera calculée par le logiciel.

Ajoutons que la bibliothèque d'objets fait peau neuve.
Le paramètrage des objets s'enrichit, offrant la possibilité d'utiliser
52 variables pour personnaliser un seul objet de bibliothèque au lieu des
26 admises auparavant.
Les escaliers balancés ou non deviennent paramétrables avec positionnement
automatique de la main courante et des fuseaux.
La bibliothèque des portes et fenêtres subit une révision complète.
Le détail de leurs représentations symbolique et tridimensionnelle s'adapte
suivant quatre échelles différentes (simplifié pour les échelles 1/200e et
1/100e, symbolique pour le 1/50e et une représentation détaillée au 1/20e).
Un générateur d'arbre utilisant la méthode fractale simule l'aspect naturel
de la végétation.

Autre argument de poids : le perfectionnement des représentations 2D et 3D
des hachures. Les hachures s'associent aux éléments tridimensionnels tels
que murs, toitures, dalles,...pour une représentation 3D plus finie.
Elles symbolisent du bois, des briques, des tuiles, des pavés,... et sont
entièrement paramétrables par l'architecte. Chaque hachure possède son
propre système de coordonnées qui peut aisément être déplacé ou subir
une rotation en 2D comme en 3D.

Non moins appréciable, le calcul 3D a été fortement accéléré et SoftCAD
s'est appliqué à simplifier au maximum la création des objets graphiques.
Cette création se résume à présent au dessin de l'objet.
Les autres manipulations étant entièrement automatisées.

Pour conclure citons de nouvelles fonctionnalités telles que :
- l'attribution d'épaisseurs de traits visibles à l'écran,
- la possibilité de tracer des ellipses,
- une associativité de la cotation d'altimétrie en fonction d'une
  origine positionnée par l'utilisateur
- la gestion depuis la 3D des sources lumineuses et du point de vue,
- l'extension des définitions angulaires dans l'introduction numérique,
- des fonctions mathématiques prédéfinies dans la calculatrice,...

Par cette nouvelle version, ArchiTECH.PC marque un nouveau jalon entre la
conception et la réalisation, mots clés du métier d'architecte.

Quant au prix, deux agréables surprises ont été annoncées :

- SoftCAD France maintient le prix actuel de 34000 FF et n'appliquera pas
  d'augmentation malgré l'importance des nouvelles fonctionnalités.

- Deux versions allégées sont offertes au prix de 19000 FF et 23000 FF
  permettant à l'utilisateur de débuter en douceur son apprentissage
  éventuel de l'informatique.

La nouvelle structure SoftCAD France annonce également la création d'un
club utilisateurs dont la première réunion aura lieu en mars 1996 ainsi que
la mise en place de nouveaux services d'accompagnement, de traitement
d'image, et de saisie de plan, pour assister les utilisateurs, qui le
souhaitent, dans leur premier pas vers une informatisation CAO.

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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:58 EDT 1996
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A quote from _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_, by John Cassidy
(Klutz Press, 1987):

   Once the World's Leading Fizzicist, Dr. Aristid V. Grosse, for many years
   the director of the Research Institute at Temple University, spent his
   youth in the study of high-energy particle physics. He worked on the
   Manhattan Project, joined the faculty at Temple, became president of a
   well-known consulting company, published numerous scientific papers and
   to all appearances, pursued a dignified, as well as distinguished,
   scientific career.

   Meanwhile though, he was privately conducting a series of strange
   experiments that have made him an expert... on the subject of bizarre
   bubbles and funny foams.

   Dr. Grosse once modified a 55 gallon steel drum with a copper tube
   apparatus that looked suspiciously like a still. When connected to a tank
   of helium and a source of soapy water... the drum suddenly began to spew
   out large gobs of aerodynamic foam. "Skyfoam"... could climb to altitudes
   of 30,000 feet. As basketball-sized blobs of foam headed off into the
   blue, Dr. Grosse would speculate on the... practical applications. 

   Speculation, incidentally, whether practical or not, was Dr. Grosse's
   strength. Once, after wondering about the ability of huge blobs of foam
   to quell street riots, he buried himself in a tankful of a specially
   formulated foam. "You can't see a thing," he reported back. "You can't
   hear a person three feet away unless he shouts."

   Dr. Grosse used to experiment with special formulations of bubble solution
   that could generate gel-like bubbles with some very peculiar un-bubbly
   properties... they could be decorated and hung around a room like party
   balloons. Dr. Gross had several in his office with sequins on them...
   He even had plans involving the creation of a 40 foot long hot-dog shaped
   gel-bubble that would function as a parade float.

I've been unable to locate Dr. Gross through Temple University. I wonder
what he might have proposed for the roof of the structure below?

It might have a 9' tall strawbale and mortar wall with a commercial plastic
film greenhouse on top, one 30' wide made with curved galvanized pipes on 4'
centers and two layers of inflated polyethylene film stretched over that, a
standard commercial film greenhouse technique, except for the stemwall. Such
a greenhouse top, eg a "Northerner" from E C Geiger, might cost about $1 per
square foot, but that seems expensive, and it would not be well-insulated, 
with an R-value of 1.2.

Perhaps we could put a lightweight air-supported roof over the 30 x 58'
rectangle between the chicken coop and the greenhouse, like this:

         straw 
 .....................
 .s                  .
 .t                  . straw                             N
 .r     chicken coop . 12'                      |       16'     |
 Aa                  ...........................................A
 .w                  .      straw wall          ................. ---
 ................................................       .       .
 .   .    20'        |        <- 30' ->         .       .       .
 . s .         .         .         .            .       .       .
 . t .                                          .       .       .
 . r .         38' x 66' membrane cover         .       .       .
 . a .         .         .         .            .       .       .
 . w . |                                        .       .       .
 .   .   .   post .    post   .  post  . W  post.   .   .       . 32' E
 . w .26'                                       .       .       .
 . a .         .         .         .            .       .       .
 . l . |                                        .       .       .
 . l .         .         .         .            .       .       .
 .   .                                          .       .       .
 .   ............................................       .       . 
 .                  straw wall                  .       .       .  
 .....................................................glass...... ---
 .                          4'           solar wall             .
 A..............................................................A..........
                                                                          .
                                                                          .
                          reflecting pool                                 .
  16'           made from a single roll of 20' wide                       .
                    EPDM rubber roofing material                          .
                                                                          .
                          <-- 100' -->                                    .
 <.........................................................................

                            .                   S
         .       air-inflated cover?          .

 A..............................................................A ---
 .                   .                             .        .   . ~4'
 .                   .                          .               . ---     
 .   chicken coop    .                          . c           c .        
 .                   .      9' tall solar wall  . T c       c   . ~5'   
 .                   .                          B i p       p i B      
 .                   .                          B w p       p w B         .
..............................................................................

The cover might attach along lines with corners marked A above. It could
be rectangular in shape, as seen from above, and curved as seen from the
east or south.

Suppose the roof support had four posts, 9' tall, with EW and NS ceiling
joists and NS ropes with a 15' span on 4' centers, that sagged 2' down from
the 9' wall edges at a point midway between the long walls and the EW joists.
With a 15 psf snow load, each rope would have to support 960 pounds, ie a
vertical tension of Ty = 480 pounds on each side of the center, with a
horizontal tension Tx = 4Ty such that the rope tension T = sqr(Tx^2+Ty^2)
= sqr(17Ty^2) = 1980 lb. Let's see... The breaking strength of 1/8" dacron
rope is something like 600 pounds, so 1/4" rope might work. Perhaps 1/2" rope
for a safety factor of 5. 

The EW beam would support about 2000 pounds over a 12' span, so if
f = 1200 psi, L = 12', W = 2000, M = 2000x12x12/8 = 36K in-lb, 
S = 36K/1.2K = 30 in^3, and if b = 4.5" d = sqr(6S/b) = 6.32".
We might use 3 2x8s for the EW beam. 

On top of the beam and the ropes we might have a layer of 30% black
greenhouse shadecloth, eg Stuppy's item number 2363, costing $0.088
per square foot, with a small additional charge for sewing it into a
30 x 58' piece with hems and grommets along the edges.

On top of that might be a layer of UV resistant greenhouse polyethylene
film, eg E C Geiger's catalog number 23-3432100, a 4 mil clear poly film 
in a 32' wide folded roll costing about 5 cents/ft^2. On top of that
might be a layer of 6 mil film, and they might be attached at the edges
with E C Geiger's Unilock aluminum extrusion clamps, costing about
64 cents/linear foot.

Then we might have another layer of shadecloth over the top with a few
grommets in the middle for some ropes on 4' centers over the top to
stabilize the top in the wind and resist inflation forces. The top might
bulge up 3' in the middle, and it might be whitewashed in summer. The upper
poly film might need replacing and recycling every 5 years.

Here's what Stuppy has to say about inflation: "a rule of thumb is: for
every 10,000 square feet of pillow area, use a one-thirtieth (1/30)
horsepower blower." Yeager's new 30 x 80' greenhouse on route 113 south
of Phoenixville, PA uses one such 50 watt blower for inflation. Stuppy
recommends inflating unsupported poly film pillows to a pressure of 0.3" WG.
With shadecloth and rope backing the films might be inflated to a higher
pressure, making a sturdier structure.

How would we insulate this roof? Bubbles, of course.

Nick



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In article <4kl3i4$rv2@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu
(Nick Pine) wrote:

[snip]

> So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent
> a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl
> tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at
> night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy
> solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer?
> This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple
> movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass,
> and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in.

[snip]

Hi Nick,


Your bubble wall moveable insulation wall is a clever idea, which reminded
me of a TV (Discovery Channel?) show I saw fairly recently (~ <1 year)
about an artist who makes "sculptures" of double panes of glass with
bubbles between.  It was quite beautiful, and he got surprising amounts of
money for his art, of course art prices always surprise someone like me
who has an extensive collection of Black Velvet Elvis & Dogs Playing Poker
"art"  ;-)

Unfortunately, I don't remember much about the TV article.  Perhaps
someone else does?

Bruce Hoglund

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NOTE: The thoughts & comments above are mine alone!


From mchenry@unm.edu Sun Apr 21 12:45:58 EDT 1996
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In article <4khi06$1216@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, JWCQ23A@prodigy.com says...
>
>BUILDING SYSTEM FOR MASS HOUSING
>
>Hello,
>
>Would anyone know of any proven Building System that can be used for mass 
>housing? This system will be used for single-detached or multi-story walk-
>up buildings. Prefer system that can build 5,000 - 20,000 units per year. 
>Unit size approximately 20 sq.m.
>
>The project will be used in the Philippines where there is great demand 
>for low-cost housing.
>
>Any assistance will be much appreciated.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Ariel Abriam            
>JWCQ23A@Prodigy.com     Phone: 310-947-0603     Fax: 310-947-0161
>
Why not investigate the use of earth wall building systems.  They are certainly
time tested and proven (10,000 years).  There are systems that will suit all
climates, with so many benefits that it is difficult to even begin to list them.
Unfortunately, the architectural, engineering, and planning professionals tend
to dismiss these out of hand.  There is a great deal of technical information
available.

Paul (Buzz) McHenry





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Yeah Hello there.

 I was wondering whether any of you fellas desing the finnish sauna into 
the houses? I am talking about Sauna. Not some freaky infrared tent or 
sommin. There is only one sauna. ANd if it is not built correctly or used 
properly it just isnt sauna. What I have noticed here in the US that 
everybody(except Finns) prohibit throwing water on the rocks. well thats 
why the rocks are there. And it is not sauna without the water. A sauna 
is a unique place. The only place in the world that presents both damp 
and dry air at the same time. If watering is prohibited, the room is no 
longer a sauna, it is a mere heated room, a roman bath. The sauna has 
been in finland for over 2000 years, and it has always played a important 
part in finnish history and culture. So well... yeah i was wondering if 
there is someone who is desinging saunas. I am in a community college 
trying to work my way towards AA in Arc., and working as a framer, and 
ive really been trying to get a chance to build some real saunas.
A sauna is also very easy to install to a old house. You have prefab and 
precut packages for custom measures. One can also have a sauna built 
straight from the stock, which is the way I prefer. The choice of lumber 
is also critical. At the gym where I go, they built the benches from 
redwood(bad bad) and boxed them and built them nonremovable. And even 
drove normal nails from top. Now the benches are all stained from not 
getting washed, and the nails have started to bleed. well anyway, if you 
want some more information about saunas please contact me. I might be in 
help. I am just trying to improve the image of the real sauna and 
introduce it to new people.

 RAVEN


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I AM SORRY FOR INTERUPTING, BUT I THOUGHT SOMEONE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN A
GOOD DEAL I FOUND.

4 MEG RAM FOR $80
8 MEG RAM FOR $170
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In article <4ko4ig$dpf@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>,
   nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
~~>A quote from _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_, by John Cassidy
~~>(Klutz Press, 1987):
~~>
~~>   Once the World's Leading Fizzicist, Dr. Aristid V. Grosse, for many years
~~>   the director of the Research Institute at Temple University, spent his
~~>   youth in the study of high-energy particle physics. He worked on the
~~>   Manhattan Project, joined the faculty at Temple, became president of a
~~>   well-known consulting company, published numerous scientific papers and
~~>   to all appearances, pursued a dignified, as well as distinguished,
~~>   scientific career.

	Nick, I think you should take a sabbatical, and do a long involved
study that features Dr. Grosse standing in front of one of your collectors.

	After his years on the Manhattan Project, you might get some
interesting results, which you could post about.

		:-)		:-)		:-)

Paul


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From zisk@well.com Sun Apr 21 12:45:59 EDT 1996
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Anyone over in this newsgroup know of any interesting fences?

For "Between Fences," an exhibition at the National Building Museum,
Washington, D.C,.that presents a cultural history of fences and land use in
the United States, we are seeking photographs of Americans standing near or
in front of or sitting on fences, preferably in front of their homes.

The exhibition will open May 31, 1996 and run through January 5, 1997 at
the National Building Museum.

Photos of any size, including snapshots, will be accepted.  The bigger the
better.

Please send photographs by the end of April 1996 and include a signed
statement that you agree to permit the photograph to be displayed in the
exhibition.

Photographs will not be returned.
Thank you very much.

Please address questions to us018310@interramp.com.


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Can they be constructed as full-time residences? Are they safe?
Thanks.


              ****************************
Denise Noe
Koko the Signing Gorilla says: "Fine animal gorilla."


From peter@voidp.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 21 12:46:00 EDT 1996
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From: Peter Ireland <peter@voidp.demon.co.uk>
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In article <4klg2g$sko@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, Nicole Hammond
<ac_f534@kingston.ac.uk> writes
>I am a student at the school of Architecture at Kingston University,
>and I would like to show you the results of a project I have done
>involving lucid dreaming.
>
>Please take a look and tell me what you think.
Fascinating - for a long time I've been thinking that architects need to
get to grips with virtual environments properly and realise that this
can be more than a medium for reproducing 3D reality. You seem to be
tackling that - no wonder that your visitors have trouble understanding
it. In some ways there is a great irony in a project conceived and
created as hypertext being perceived in a series of 2D drawings -
inevitably at low resolution. After all how do you draw some of the
highly abstract concepts you are dealing with? That said your collage
and crayon technique does a pretty good job. 

I'm intrigued to know how it wss received - I can imagine severe
reservations over your interpretation of reality, though your appraisal
of it as seen from university rings bells. I recall justifying
apparently arbitrary decisions on my final projects on the basis of the
amount I could learn from them in 'my last chance to design a building
that wouldn't get built', only to be reminded that most of my future
work would fit that category.

Since unbuilt buildings seems to be the future for most of us it will be
interesting to see a future develop for building types not designed for
any conventioanl form of construction.
-- 
Peter Ireland


From tgagin@txdirect.net Sun Apr 21 12:46:00 EDT 1996
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I have nothing against nude woman but this is definately the wrong place 
to advertise this stuff. Please keep it in the appropriate newsgroups. 
Thanks. Tim


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I have seen this unsolicited ad everywhere. Do you really think we're all 
this stupid? I suppose you are counting on the saturation method. Sling 
enough shit and some will stick. This ad is getting really old. If you 
want to advertise something set up a web page and let people choose to 
look at it. Please stop shoving it down our throats. Thanks Tim


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What has this got to do with architecture? Please keep it in an 
appropriate newsgroup. Thanks Tim


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:01 EDT 1996
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paul milligan <pjm@nando.net> wrote:
>   nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
>~~>A quote from _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_, by John Cassidy...
>~~>
>~~>  Once the World's Leading Fizzicist, Dr. Aristid V. Grosse, for many years
>~~>  the director of the Research Institute at Temple University, spent his
>~~>  youth in the study of high-energy particle physics. He worked on the
>~~>  Manhattan Project... published numerous scientific papers and to all
>~~>  appearances, pursued a dignified... distinguished, scientific career...

>	Nick, I think you should take a sabbatical, and do a long involved
>study that features Dr. Grosse standing in front of one of your collectors.

Hey, I don't work at Villanova... I'm always on sabbatical :-)
And I don't do "collectors."

OK, OK, OK, that bubble roof might not be very practical for the location
near the high school, because some students might find it amusing to pop
the roof with their knives in fits of pique. 
 
So maybe we should cover it with some burlap and chicken wire and 1/2" of
cement, and replace the telephone pole posts and beams underneath with 2 x 4s 
to hold up the plastic film ceiling over the shadecloth. But that lets out
daylighting thru the ceiling.... Hmmm. Let's take another more fundamental
look. We don't really want sun shining thru the ceiling in summertime, but
we do want light and heat coming in thru the south wall in the winter, and
we would still like to try to take advantage of the spirit of section 1610.2 
of the 1993 BOCA code, which defines a "continuously heated greenhouse" as

  a production or retail greenhouse with a constantly maintained interior
  temperature of 50 F or more during winter months... the greenhouse roof
  material shall have a thermal resistance (R) less than 2.0...

Which we'd interpret to mean that one can turn off the bubble pump and reduce
the R-value when it is snowing, thus melting the snow with stored solar heat,
which is similar to the practice of local commercial growers, who deflate
their poly film greenhouse pillows when it snows to reduce their R-value from
1.2 to 0.8. 

Section 1610.4 of the code goes on to say "The flat-roof snow load on
continuously heated greenhouses shall be calculated using the following
formula..." which comes out to be 12 psf where I live...
  
And it further drones on:

  Retail greenhouse: A greenhouse occupied for growing large numbers
  of flowers and plants and having general public access for the purposes
  of viewing and purchasing the various products. Included in this category
  are greenhouses occupied for educational purposes.

So how about looking again at something like that tensile structure with
the profile shown below, from the east:

                       .
                       .     .                               
                     . .             . ferrocement             
		    .  .                       .           
		   .16'. poly film bubble ceiling        .   ...........
		  .-24'.                           .         .         .
		 .     .                                     . chicken .
         pond   .      .<-              38'     .          ->.   coop  .
    ............................................p ~~~~~~~~~ p................
                         thermal storage pond->  ppppppppppp
  
This might look like a 16' x 66' transparent wall from the south. The roof
might be made with 4' wide chicken wire strips running north and south, wired
together and joined with pressure-treated 2x4s that sandwich the chicken wire,
like this:
                       .........
                       . NS 2x4.
                       .........  -- 1/2" cement --
                  ccccccccc cccccccccc  chicken wire
                  bbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbb  burlap
                  pppppppppppppppppppppppp  poly film or EPDM
                       .........                                             
                       . NS 2x4.
                       .........
..............................................................
                2 x 4 on edge, running EW

..............................................................
                       . spacer.
		       .       .
		       .       .
		       .       .
		       .........
                         steel 
                         cable                 

Let's see. How big does the steel cable have to be? If the roof has a
nice slump in the middle, and the distance from top to cable is, say, 6',
we need roughly 20 psf x 32 x 4'/2 = T 4'/32', where T is the cable tension,
so T = 10240 pounds. A 10K/50K diameter steel cable every 4'? That's not bad,
but there will be a lot of force trying to collapse the north and south walls
inwards... This would work better with a few posts in the middle, as before.
Then we can reduce the height of the south roof peak to 16', vs 24'. We don't
need THAT much solar heat. Recall that we only needed a roof R-value of 1.7
with bubbles in place to make this work.

So the roof might look like this in slightly more detail, with different
dimensions:

                    48'                             
         r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r           .      32'
         P  ppp  P  ppp  P  ppp  P           P       .
     16' PpppppppPpppppppPpppppppP           PpppppppPppppppp.
         P       P       P       P           P       P       P 8'
    .....P.......P.......P.......P...     ...P.......P.......P......

                                             PsssssssPsssssss.
         p is the poly film ceiling here,    .       .       .
           made in 3 16' x 32' pillows,      .       .       .
           sloped slightly upwards from      .       .       .
           north to south, with the bubble   PsssssssPsssssss.
           pipes along the north edge.       .       .       .
                                             .       .       .
         The poly film would attach along    .       .       .
           struts s, which would be in       PsssssssPsssssss.
           compression to keep the roof      .       .       .
           from collapsing.                  .       .       .
                                             .       .       .
                                             PsssssssPsssssss.

There would be a layer of greenhouse shadecloth under the poly film and ropes
on 4' centers under that. Struts s might look like this from the south:

               poly film      poly film
               poly film      poly film
                         ww ww aluminum extrusion clamps
               30% greenhouse shadecloth 
                       .........
                       . NS 2x4. (on 16' centers)
                       .........  
                         . 2 .
              <--EW rope . x . EW rope -->  
...NS rope...            . 4 .             ... NS rope...
			 .....
                           |          4'          |

There, is that better, Paul?

Nick



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THANKS!



From revitts@aol.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:01 EDT 1996
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Subject: staten island ferry terminal
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The Whitehall ferry terminal, the Manhattan terminus of the Staten Island
Ferry, designed by Venturi, Scott Brown and Associates, is in danger of
not being built because of politics and yellow journalism.

I am interested in hearing from architects, particularly in Staten Island,
but also in New York City, who know of the project and would be willing to
write letters of support for the project design to the offending public
officials.


From corn@aloha.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:02 EDT 1996
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With the incresed momentum of sustainability, we have seen the 
introduction of many "new" technologies.  Has anyone else had any 
experience (good or bad) with any of the regulatory city or state 
agencies such as building departments, utilities, etc?  My question is 
how readily are these technologies accepted by these agencies?

I will share an amusing story.........We did a project here using the 
composting toilet system.  When the plans were submitted for permit, he 
Board of Water Supply wanted to know how many fixture units they needed 
to allocate for this toilet.  Trying to explain to them that it uses no 
water and yet it works was quite a task.  That raises the question of how 
do we get the building departments and related offices to accept 
technologies & building systems that may not be covered in the Building 
Codes??

Anyone experience anything related to this?  Please feel free to E-mail 
or respond in the newsgroup.  Thank you and Aloha!!

Chad Okinaka, AIA


From vdog@soho.ios.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:02 EDT 1996
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Interior designer ISO employment in New York City.
Recent grad. BA from ASU.  3 years experience in residential design firm 
and own company.  Relocating to NYC soon, seeks employment with any type 
of design or architectural firm OR sales rep. for manufacturer.  Resume on 
request.  Contact: W. Carlan at:  vdog@soho.ios.com



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David Jones <Pommie@cris.com> wrote:

>...does anyone know of a source for a magnifying lens to concentrate sunlight
>in a straight line, instead of the usual circular form.

Edmund Scientific and 3M sell cylindrical lens material, but for a large area,
perhaps a linear parabolic reflector would be less expensive, eg this solar
greenhouse and water heater that might be built quickly for less than $1,000
in materials to provide winter space heating and domestic hot water and fresh
vegetables and flowers for a nearby home or the urban building or swimming
pool underneath a flat roof. 

       .                                     ---
               .
      .             .
                        .
 <- S.                     .                 12'
                              .   y
    .    (32' long)             . |     z
       /                         .|   /  
   . /                            . /
x <...........................f............. ---
              water trench->.     .
                             .....

The reflective sheathing might be screwed to 16' kerfed 2 x 4s bent into a
4.5:1 concentrating parabolic shape, with the reflective surface inside the
greenhouse. This reflector would have a focus at about f=2.68' (y^2 = 4fx).

Howard Reichmuth, PE, designed the Ecotope greenhouse, a similar structure
built 20 years ago near Seattle. He's built several steam generators with
concentration ratios of 5 or 6. His advice: "Don't stand in the focus.
I almost melted a pair of boots."

US Patent number 4,129,120, expired 12/12/95, inventor Norman Saunders, PE,
describes an efficient concentrating steam generator using a flat transparent
boiler with a dark grate inside, just under the water surface. Copies of US
patents can be obtained for $3 each from the Superintendent of Patents and
Trademarks, Washington, DC 20231.

>	The idea is to use for domestic heating and/or energy generation a 
>linear shaped lens to concentrate solar energy on a pipe where the focus 
>of the lens corresponds to the shape of a pipe ie. a line of focused 
>sunlight instead of a spot.

Duffie and Beckman's _Solar Engineering of Thermal Processes_, 2nd edition,
Wiley, 1991, covers the design of these and other _non-focusing_ Winston CPCs,
concentrators which accept all light coming from within a certain beamwidth...

>I would guess this to be a cheap item to produce if someone is doing it...

Richard Komp is doing it at SunWatt, RR 1, Box 7751, Jonesport ME 04606,
207-967-5945. His hybrid 2:1 concentrating solar panels produce 150 Watts 
of electric power and 1600 Watts of water heating power simultaneously,
rounding up half the usual number of photovoltaic suspects. 

>	I live in Texas and have an abundance of sunlight for most of the 
>year, so would like to experiment with saving energy and money.

Hey, c'mon over to the Renewable and Alternative Energy Conference in Abilene
>from  4/22-23, where I'll be holding forth on solar closets and sunspaces for
house and water heating. The cost is only $40 to cover meals. Call Johnnie 
Lou Avery at 915-235-7332, or send her a check at Texas State Technical
College, 300 College Drive, Sweetwater, TX 79556.

Or come to Roland Winston's concentrator workshop in Philadelphia on 5/3,
>from  10:30-3 PM. $50/person by 4/22, ($15 for students, not including lunch.)
Send your checks or Faxes with credit card numbers to Kathleen DeLuca at
The Franklin Institute, Benjamin Franklin Parkway at 20th Street, Phila, PA
19103-1194, Fax 215-448-1364. Mike Nicklas, AIA, Bill Marshall, NREL,
Robert Bickmire, Institute for Energy Conversion and Morton H. Lerner,
Engineering Consultant will also be there.

Nick



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Nick Pine <nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> wrote:
 
 There was also a 12 year old doing bubble experiments. She discovered that
 if she doped her standard bubble mix (1/2 cup green Dawn, 3 Tbs glycerin,
 and 2 quarts of water) by adding 1/4 tsp of lemon juice, the bubbles lasted
 111 seconds at 80 F and 506 sec at 45 F, vs 309 sec and 185 sec for the
 standard solution. 1/4 tsp of maple syrup changed this to 431 and 345 sec.
 She also tried adding jello, perfume, and another dozen substances... Her
 parting thought was quite serious: "Dust is the enemy of bubbles."
 
 So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent
 a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl
 tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at
 night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy
 solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer?
 This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple
 movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass,
 and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in...
 
 Ohm's law for heatflow is a good start: the amount of heat Q in Btu/hour
 that flows through a wall with area A ft^2 and R-value R and temps Ti (F) on
 one side and To on the other, is Q = (Ti-To)A/R. 
 
 Here's one bubble wall test setup, a 2' cube divided in half by a bubble wall
 that might have an R-value of 2 when empty and 12 when full. We might make
 the cube out of 2" Styrofoam with an R-value of 10. One side could be kept
 at 32 F with some melting ice at the top, with some foam on top and around
 the ice tray, and the other side could be kept at 132 F with a thermostat
 and a light bulb, with a piece of aluminum foil to shade the bubblewall from
 the bulb. How much ice water might we collect in an hour with the bubblewall
 empty and full of bubbles? What might we get for readings in each case if
 we hook up the light bulb to a kWh meter? It's nice to have two ways to
 check the heatflow through the bubble wall.
 
                        .........................      70 F room
                     .   ice     ..          .  .
                  .........................     .
                  .           ..          .     .
                  .    To     ..  Ti      . R10 .  2'
               2' .    32 F   ..  132 F   .     .
                  .           ..  light   .     .
                  .           ..  bulb    .  .
                  .........................    2'
                        1'         1' 
                              ^
                              |___ bubble wall
 
 It takes 144 Btu to melt a pound of ice, and there are 3410 Btu in a kWh.

Nobody seems to have figured this out yet. Here's a hint:

                       32 F        132 F
       70 F ----wwww----|----wwww----|----wwww----70F
                R10/A   (R2 or R12)/4     R10/A

                ---->       <----         ---->
                 Q1           Q2           Q3

Nick



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Nick Pine <nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> wrote:
>paul milligan <pjm@nando.net> wrote:
>>   nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
>>~>A quote from _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_, by John Cassidy...
>>~>
>>~>  Once the World's Leading Fizzicist, Dr. Aristid V. Grosse, for many years
>>~>  the director of the Research Institute at Temple University, spent his
>>~>  youth in the study of high-energy particle physics...

>>	Nick, I think you should take a sabbatical, and do a long involved
>>study that features Dr. Grosse standing in front of one of your collectors.

Well, maybe you don't like all that chicken wire. How about this?

Still trying to take advantage of the spirit of section 1610.2 of the 1993
BOCA code, which defines a "continuously heated greenhouse" as
 
   a production or retail greenhouse with a constantly maintained interior
   temperature of 50 F or more during winter months... the greenhouse roof
   material shall have a thermal resistance (R) less than 2.0...
                   . 
                       .
                       .     .                               
                     . .             . <-- plywood or OSB under EPDM rubber
 		    .  .                       .           
 		   .20'. poly film bubble ceiling        .   ...........
 		  .    .                           .         .         .
 		 .     .                                     . chicken .
          pond  .      .<-              38'     .          ->.   coop  .
     ............................................p ~~~~~~~~~ p................
                          thermal storage pond->  ppppppppppp
   
In more detail, with different dimensions:
 
                     48'                  .          
          r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r.r           .      32'
          P  ppp  P  ppp  P  ppp  P           P       .
      20' PpppppppPpppppppPpppppppP     <--S  PpppppppPppppppp.
          P       P       P       P           P       P       P 8'
     .....P.......P.......P.......P...   pond.P.......P.......P......
 
                                              PsssssssPsssssssP
          p is the poly film ceiling here,    .   E   E   E   .
            made in 3 16' x 32' pillows,      .   W   W   W   .
            sloped slightly upwards from      .   B   B   B   .
            north to south, with the bubble   PsssssssPsssssssP
            pipes along the north edge.       .   E   E   E   .
                                              .   W   W   W   .
          The poly film would attach along    .   B   B   B   .
            struts s...                       PsssssssPsssssssP
                                              .   E   E   E   .
          EWB are the East West Beams.        .   W   W   W   .
                                              .   B   B   B   .
          r might be 2x4 rafters.             PsssssssPsssssssP
 
The roof might weigh about 15 psf, with 12 lb of snow load and 3 lb of
dead load. If the plywood or Oriented Strand Board roof has rafters on 2'
centers with 8' spans we might have f=1200 psi, W=8x2x15=240 lb, M=WL/8
=240x8x12/8=2880 in-lb, S=M/f=2.4 in^3, b=1.5" and d=sqr(6S/b)=3.09",
so we might use 2x4s as rafters.

The EWBs need to hold up 32x48x15x15/5/3=1536 pounds over their 16' span,
so if M=1536x16x12/8=36864 in-lb, S=30.72 in^3, b=3" ==> d=7.8", so we
might use 2 2x10s for EWBs, or a couple of 2x6s with a downwards king post
and a wire.

Suppose we use diagonal tension supports like this, as seen from the east:

  20'P
     P  \          EWB
     P              K              EWB
     P      t       K          /    P    \          EWB
     P        \     K       t       P       t        K          /   P
     P              K    /          P           \    K     t        P
   8'P..............K...............P................K/.............P
     P                              P                               P
     P                              P                               P
     P                              P                               P
pond.P..............................P...............................P...
     P                              P                               P
     |                             32'                              |

If the kingposts K were 6' long, the diagonals t might have an approximate
tension T such that 1536/2 = 6T/8 ==> T=1024 lb. Some twangy wires with
good attachments...

Each post P would have a load of about 32x48x15/12=1920 lb. Suppose they are
Eastern Spruce 4x4s with Cp=750 psi and E=1,200,000 psi. Then L/d=8'x12"/3.5"
=27<50, C=1920/(3.5"x3.5")=157 psi<Cp and 0.3E/((L/d)^2) =479<Cp, so perhaps
we can use 4x4 posts with a little side-bracing above.

There would be a layer of greenhouse shadecloth under the poly film and ropes
on 4' centers under that. Struts s might look like this from the south:
 
               poly film      poly film
               poly film      poly film
                         ww ww aluminum extrusion clamps
               30% greenhouse shadecloth 
                       .........
                       . NS 2x4. (on 16' centers)
                       .........  
                         . 2 .
              <--EW rope . x . EW rope -->  
...NS rope...            . 4 .             ... NS rope...
 			 .....
                           |          4'          |

The struts would only be holding up poly film pillows filled with 1-2' of
bubbles. The pillows would act as solar collectors for some of the
960x1.3x20x66'= 1.65 million Btu or 483 kWh/day average sun that would fall
on the south wall of the Perkiomen Valley wetlands structure in December.
The peak solar power would be about 160 kW. Some of that heat would be stored
in the thermal pond, with a little warm water pumped back up through the
collapsed pillows infrequently, to melt the snow off the roof. The roof
could be painted white underneath, or covered with 4' wide builder's foil
under the rafters, with an operable vent door to the rafter cavity, and
another to the outside.

Nick



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Dear Y'all,

	I've been studying alternative architecture for several years now and I've 
built ny own conventional cottage.  Circumstances have place me into a 
larger house of which the attic will be mine(Someone else has the bottom 
portion).  Any suggestions on insulation, haeting and cooling?  Thanks.

Sincerely,
Jon R. Auman
 


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Interior designer ISO employment in New York City.
Recent grad.BA from ASU. 3 years experience in residential design firm and 
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I am looking for manufacturer/supplier of modular fiberglass housing.
For building houses at moderate price.
Has anyone heard of this kind of  house ?
Thanks.
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Does anyone have experience with or designs for owner built composting toilets
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Check out Entech, they have solar collectors that are 
long troughs and use a thin film to focus light in the 
center of the valley, then they rotate the entire tube 
to track the sun.


ENTECH
P.O. Box 612246
1015 Royal Lane
Dallas Ft. Worth Airport, Texas 75261

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>David Jones <Pommie@cris.com> wrote:

>>...does anyone know of a source for a magnifying lens to concentrate sunlight
>>in a straight line, instead of the usual circular form.

There is an interesting product made in Japan called the "sun flower"
that focuses sunlight for transmission through a fibre optic cable for
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Bruce Hoglund wrote:
> 
> In article <4kl3i4$rv2@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu
> (Nick Pine) wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent
> > a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl
> > tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at
> > night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy
> > solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer?
> > This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple
> > movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass,
> > and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Hi Nick,
> 
> Your bubble wall moveable insulation wall is a clever idea, which reminded
> me of a TV (Discovery Channel?) show I saw fairly recently (~ <1 year)
> about an artist who makes "sculptures" of double panes of glass with
> bubbles between.  It was quite beautiful, and he got surprising amounts of
> money for his art, of course art prices always surprise someone like me
> who has an extensive collection of Black Velvet Elvis & Dogs Playing Poker
> "art"  ;-)
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't remember much about the TV article.  Perhaps
> someone else does?
> 
> Bruce Hoglund
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
> NOTE: The thoughts & comments above are mine alone!


It was on the Discovery Channel, and his sculptures were displayed
in malls and airports and other places.  I think he had some patents
on bubble making apparatus.

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In article <316D8C44.71A@sympatico.ca>, Bioptic <vision@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I am looking for manufacturer/supplier of modular fiberglass housing.
> For building houses at moderate price.
> Has anyone heard of this kind of  house ?
> Thanks.
> Etienne Sum Wah

Try the Thomas Register WWW site. You can usually find a manufacturer of
just about anything. There probably won't be any that construct homes, but
there will be manufacturers of other structures that could be adapted to
housing.


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From audior1@roanoke.infi.net Sun Apr 21 12:46:06 EDT 1996
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denisenoe@aol.com (Denise noe) wrote:

>Can they be constructed as full-time residences? Are they safe?
>Thanks.


Safe as long as you ground the tree. and build safety in. Don't expect
a building permit though. I've built several and am building one now
in a large Oak about 30ft off the ground, with electricity, and phone
but I'll feed them from another building that's already been inspected
and if asked I'll say it's for my kids. I'm the biggest kid in the
bunch. :-)) 




From jeffe@red.seas.upenn.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:06 EDT 1996
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:> > So, led by this little child, let's all buy some glycerin, and try to invent
:> > a bubble wall, eg two pieces of single-layer polycarbonate plastic with butyl
:> > tape over a plastic 1x3" frame that can be filled between with bubbles at
:> > night that emerge from a PVC pipe with a few holes immersed in a soapy
:> > solution at the bottom, connected to a small aquarium air pump with a timer?
:> > This could be very useful in a passive solar house, like Beadwall. Simple
:> > movable insulation. During the day, the sun shines in on some thermal mass,
:> > and at night the glazing fills up with bubbles, keeping the heat in.

hmmm...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer
text.  I'm guessing its a reasonable conductor - it your "wall" is
thin (like a double paned window) you wouldn't gain anything filling
it with bubbles.  If you had a thicker wall you might gain something
assuming you could get the bubbles to stay put.

Of course if your aim is to impress the neighbors go for it :-)



-- 
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george@mech.seas.upenn.edu



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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:07 EDT 1996
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george <jeffe@red.seas.upenn.edu> wrote:

>...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text.

I wonder what heat transfer text you are using.

I guess it's like a very thin film of water, or anything else, eg plastic
film, as far as stopping convection, and good enough to stop some of the
IR radiation, ie the bubble wall would ideally be thick enough or opaque
enough slow down IR losses considerably.

>I'm guessing its a reasonable conductor -

The wall itself, yes, but the air inside the bubble is less conductive.

>it your "wall" is thin (like a double paned window) you wouldn't gain
>anything filling it with bubbles.

Can you define "anything"? :-)

>If you had a thicker wall you might gain something
>assuming you could get the bubbles to stay put.

That's the idea...

Nick



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From thommill@vt.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:07 EDT 1996
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dogpack@onramp.net wrote:
> 
> In article <316D8C44.71A@sympatico.ca>, Bioptic <vision@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> > I am looking for manufacturer/supplier of modular fiberglass housing.
> > For building houses at moderate price.
> > Has anyone heard of this kind of  house ?
> > Thanks.
> > Etienne Sum Wah

Try VFP in Roanoke , Virginia.  They manufacture fiberglass modular 
communication buildings that fit within a standard cargo container 
framework for overseas shipping.  These containers have been and can be 
modified to accommadate housing.  They  are completely outfitted, loaded 
on a truck, trucked to a port,loaded on a ship, offloaded and trucked to 
the site and reloacated as necessary.

Thom


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Hi Nick,


nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes:

> 
> george <jeffe@red.seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
> 
> >...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text.
> 
> I wonder what heat transfer text you are using.
> 
> I guess it's like a very thin film of water, or anything else, eg plastic
> film, as far as stopping convection, and good enough to stop some of the
> IR radiation, ie the bubble wall would ideally be thick enough or opaque
> enough slow down IR losses considerably.

I always care about radiation losses last: 
conduction and convection losses come first.

So from my point of view, it could be a problem that the thing is NOT
SOLID: 
The trick in using bubble plastic is, that the walls are too thin for
heatloss via conduction.
And the air in the bubbles is trapped in such small bubbles, that no 
convection can take place in the bubbles.
The only losses left are radiation losses.

With soap bubbles, the water around the bubble can move:

So a water molecule could absorb energy, and while the bubbles are
going up, I'd expect warmer bubbles to go up faster. So on each
sloping or curved construction they tend to reach the outside pretty
soon, losing their heat energy via conduction to the PE film /
outside.

The bubbles would be great if they were stationary. (not moving)
I can't believe they're of great value, when they're moving up,
especially, if the air is exhausted to the outside.

I'd expect it to be equivalent to have a 50 Watt blower blow air
between the two PE sheets which is exhausted through various gaps to
the outside.

Maybe even worse, since the air would absorb some moisture thus also
absorbing heat from the surroundings. (evaporative cooling!!!!)
just imagine the HUGE water surface the bubbles create.

Evaporative cooling would be eliminated, if the PE sheets were leak
free and the water AND air would be cyclead over & over (sucking air
>from  the top to create the new bubbles).

So what is left is the cycling of the water & air from the inside
sheet to the outside sheet:
There would be a significant amount of water running down the inside
sheet (it's a curved/sloped construction, and gravity does it's job),
absorbing pretty much heat from the inside.
Some of this water is then contacting the outside sheet as it's
re-bubbled, losing its energy to the outside.

What we would need to gain any profit over the blower-alone approach
would be an air-tight construction of the two sheets and a liquid
that'd produce very "sturdy" bubbles, so that the air-movement rate
could be lowered.
As long as we're moving much air, we'll be seeing these
convection/conduction losses. 

just my thoughts....

cheers,
albrecht


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We are intereseted in buying a Lustrom Home - pre fabricated all 
metal home built in 1950s. The house seems needing quite a bit of
remodeling. Does anyone have any experience working on them or 
remodeling them. If possible please e-mail me your replies.

Thanks,
sriv@bnr.ca



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:>it your "wall" is thin (like a double paned window) you wouldn't gain
:>anything filling it with bubbles.
:
:Can you define "anything"? :-)

my premise is that if the gap is thin enough then convection is not
a big issue.  So the effect of the bubbles is merely to ad an (admittedly
small) conduction path.


:
:>If you had a thicker wall you might gain something
:>assuming you could get the bubbles to stay put.

I was imagining that you fill the chamber with bubbles and they somehow
just stay there. Or are they continuously moving up and breaking
with the soapy water draining back to be recycled. (might be pretty
anyhow )



-- 
george 	
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:What we would need to gain any profit over the blower-alone approach

I'm not getting the blower approach at all. You blow cold outside
air through the pane? You blow warm air from inside in and vent it to
the outside?  Sorry if this is old hat, but you know you posted
this to a bunch of groups where we aren't all up on the latest
enviro-tech..

-- 
george 	
george@mech.seas.upenn.edu



From Ahunsdon@ag.arizona.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:08 EDT 1996
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What do you talk about here. I am into building things with alternative
materials and processes. I am a student and hope to closely examine these 
areas in my senior thesis work, which is quarry reclamation.



From jfbjr@aol.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:09 EDT 1996
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In article <4kmdil$6p7@doc.zippo.com>, Marcio Moreira writes:

>Anyone know if is there any standard for layers, colors and 
>pens. Maybe AIA or ANSI have something like this.

The AIA publishes a CAD Layer Naming Standard designed to cover most every
building system. Colors and Pens are up to the individual, more dependant
on your equipment than anything else.

John Benware


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How can I find works of Wittgenstein about archittecture.


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JOB OPPORTUNITY:CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATOR-BANGKOK, THAILAND

Leading, U.S.-based A/E design firm has an immediate need for a
construction administrator for a manufacturing facility project in
Bangkok.  This is a full-time employment opportunity.  The project
assignment is expected to last one year.  The position reports to the
hiring firm's Project Manager in Bangkok.

Position requirements include:

    * A minimum of 10 years of experience in construction administration
roles on       building projects.

    * Undergraduate or graduate degree in Architecture or Structural
Engineering

    * Excellent communication skills and references

    * U.S. citizenship or Resident status

Individuals interested in exploring this opportunity should send a letter
and resume to the consultant retained to manage this search:

Mr. Po-Sun Chen
Zweig White & Associates, Inc.
243 Vallejo Street
San Francisco, CA 94111
FAX: 415.296.8003
E-MAIL: PSCHEN@AOL.COM

posted 4/96


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to whom it may concern, I am presently looking for 4 pieces of 16mb x 9 / 30 pin 
simms at a speed of 70ns.  Anyone who knows of a good deal let me know.

Thanks

Randy



From jonhobbs@island.net Sun Apr 21 12:46:10 EDT 1996
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From: "Jon Hobbs, MRAIC" <jonhobbs@island.net>
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To: J and C Keinanen <raven@earth.usa.net>

J and C Keinanen wrote:
> 
> Yeah Hello there.
> 
>  I was wondering whether any of you fellas desing the finnish sauna into
> the houses? I am talking about Sauna. Not some freaky infrared tent or
> sommin. There is only one sauna. ANd if it is not built correctly or used
> properly it just isnt sauna. What I have noticed here in the US that
> everybody(except Finns) prohibit throwing water on the rocks. well thats
> why the rocks are there. And it is not sauna without the water. A sauna
> is a unique place. The only place in the world that presents both damp
> and dry air at the same time. If watering is prohibited, the room is no
> longer a sauna, it is a mere heated room, a roman bath. The sauna has
> been in finland for over 2000 years, and it has always played a important
> part in finnish history and culture. So well... yeah i was wondering if
> there is someone who is desinging saunas. I am in a community college
> trying to work my way towards AA in Arc., and working as a framer, and
> ive really been trying to get a chance to build some real saunas.
> A sauna is also very easy to install to a old house. You have prefab and
> precut packages for custom measures. One can also have a sauna built
> straight from the stock, which is the way I prefer. The choice of lumber
> is also critical. At the gym where I go, they built the benches from
> redwood(bad bad) and boxed them and built them nonremovable. And even
> drove normal nails from top. Now the benches are all stained from not
> getting washed, and the nails have started to bleed. well anyway, if you
> want some more information about saunas please contact me. I might be in
> help. I am just trying to improve the image of the real sauna and
> introduce it to new people.
> 
>  RAVEN

I have been involved in the design of several saunas. You cannot truly 
experience a sauna in a gym or sports facility. You must build a real 
sauna next to a cold northern lake-- the plunge into the icy water is the 
best part of a sauna!!. Another great experience is rolling in the snow 
after a sauna or diving through the ice. You place too much concern for 
the finishes inside the sauna. The size, seating and especially the 
"stove" are critical. The best stove is a wood-fired stove whcih is 
loaded from the exterior. Most of these stoves have indirect flues which 
circulate the heat around the rocks. 

There is a large finnish community in northern Ontario which has 
transplanted this tradition to Canada. There is also an expensive 
coffee-table book on Saunas illustrating many great ones.

Jon Hobbs

jonhobbs@island.net



From vkmF92@hamp.hampshire.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:10 EDT 1996
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You could always go with the thinking behind the project "Habitat" by 
Moshe Safdie for the world's fair in Montreal.  Those were pre-fabricated 
concrete blocks that were then shipped to the site and stacked seemingly 
haphazardly on top of each other, but in reality there was some rhyme or 
reason to it.
8)
Vince



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From: Maurizio Spelta <morice@edidomus.it>
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On april 19th, during the "Salone del Mobile" in Milan, Italy, will be 
introduced the CD-ROM "Italian Design: The Players".
Seven amongst the most important italian designers will attend the 
event, which will also be "transmitted" on the Internet.
You'll be able to submit questions to the partecipants sending email 
to: ask@edidomus.it.
For more info point your browser to: http://www.edidomus.it/domus/


From cu@the.c Sun Apr 21 12:46:11 EDT 1996
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There is a new archive on the net for people interested in creating 3D
worlds. It is a small but fast growing archive devoted in helping
others create and build their synthetic environment. There are about 18
or so real world handcrafted 3D objects and very real textures. They
also take suggestions for new models to help you create whatever you
want! It is also free! all models can be used in any commercial
application. The page needs Shockwave. All models are zipped and are in
DXF format.

http://users.aimnet.com/~clay 


From erehwon@c2.org Sun Apr 21 12:46:11 EDT 1996
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From: William Knowles <erehwon@c2.org>
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Has anyone here had any practical experience with using
old boxcars or shipping containers for housing or shelter?

The relative low cost of purchasing these items in the 
surplus marketplace would lead me to belive this to be an
excellent choice for low cost housing or shelters for 
the homeless.

I would be curious to hear about this of if there is any
pointers to this already being done somewhere else.

Thanks in advance,

William Knowles
erehwon@c2.org
PGP Public key on request



--



From pmh1@arch.wustl.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:11 EDT 1996
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From: Paul Hirst <pmh1@arch.wustl.edu>
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My mother is from Finland and I've grown up with a 
real Sauna (not a saw-naw).  In the west, we've 
used quaking aspen, with no finish.  So far, the 
wood has lasted very well, no pitch, not too hot.  
Works great.  The biggest question I've got is 
where can I get a decent sauna stove?  Do I have to 
import them, or are there good sources in the US?

pmh1@arch.wustl.edu

-- the Insitute for Suburban Studies ---
http://corbu.wustl.edu/hirsp1/www/iss/isshome.htm


From srdawson@interlog.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:12 EDT 1996
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From: srdawson@interlog.com (Scott Robert Dawson)
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jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com(Joe Hindorff) wrote:

>I have also been trying to find out more about the burning road in
>Washington.  Here is what I know.  The road is in the southeastern part of
>Washington near a town called Pomeroy.  Old tire chips were mixed with dirt
>and gravel, and the mix was used to fill a 50' gully and the road was then
>built on the fill.  This was done sometime last year.   
> 
>Last fall the area flooded, and shortly after steam started excaping from
>the roadbed.  By mid-January 18" flames were sighted.   
> 
>The only theory I have heard concerning the cause is that the flooding
>accelerated the rusting of the steel belts, causing enough heat to ignite
>the rubber.  There is probably a very good chance that we will never know
>the exact cause, but I would be very interested in some "expert" views of
>the steel belt rusting theory. 
> 
> 
>Joe  
>"All anger is fear, and all fear is fear of loss" 
>                                 Richard Bach
 

'Fill a 50' gully'??? My guess is that this is an effect of a
great local *volume* of tire material with a corresponding lack
of surface area for heat transfer. Tire mass-walls would find it
much easier to lose heat before reaching the liquefying or
anaerobic ignition point of tire rubber. Is this related to the
underground coal fires of the Appalachians? 
 
I've sent this on to the Earthship mailing list... 
Any comments, especially frome those who might know the area? 
 
TTFN, 
 Scott Robert Dawson



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Albrecht Kadlec  <albrecht@java.vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes:
>> george <jeffe@red.seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>> >...the thermal conductivity of soap film isn't in my heat transfer text.
>> 
>> I guess it's like a very thin film of water, or anything else, eg plastic
>> film, as far as stopping convection, and good enough to stop some of the
>> IR radiation, ie the bubble wall would ideally be thick enough or opaque
>> enough to slow down IR losses considerably.
>
>I always care about radiation losses last: 
>conduction and convection losses come first.

Sounds like a good idea, until you get up to some temperature. Hmmm. A black
body plate with good insulation on the back and no glazing absorbing 300
Btu/hour/ft^2 of sun in still air on a (average Phila December) 36 F day
with a US R value of 2/3 should have a temp of 236 F. If it had only radiation
loss, ie 0.174x10^-8((T+460)^4-496^4) Btu/hr/ft^2, the temp T might be
234.7 F... It might actually get up to a temperature of 130 F or so.

>So from my point of view, it could be a problem that the thing is NOT SOLID: 

I guess you mean "advantage" when you say "problem"? :-)

>The trick in using bubble plastic is, that the walls are too thin for
>heatloss via conduction.

The thin bubble walls have little conductive thermal resistance for heat
flowing perpendicularly thru the wall, but I guess you are talking about
heat flowing parallel to the walls, lengthwise, say, somehow making it
>from  one side of a large wall full of bubbles to another, by flowing along
the thin bubble walls over a torturous random path from one side of the
large wall to the other by conduction. If the bubble walls were very thick,
like Swiss cheese, that could happen more easily. 

>And the air in the bubbles is trapped in such small bubbles, that no 
>convection can take place in the bubbles.

Not as much as if they were big bubbles. 

>The only losses left are radiation losses.

Steve Baer discovered that his bubbles had little IR thermal radiation
resistance, because the walls were so thin, he thinks. But he was trying
to solve a much harder problem, because he wanted the sun to shine through
the bubbles and heat up some water in a dish to 130 F, with no glazing (as
I recall.) He wanted his bubbles to have the greenhouse effect, selectively
transmitting shortwave solar radiation and blocking longwave IR re-radiation
in the other direction. A very nice thing, if possible to arrange. In our
case, during the day there would be no bubbles, just 2 layers of glazing,
and there would be no evaporation, and the temp inside the room might be
70 F, not 130 F. These bubbles would only be inside the glazing cavity at
night, trying to stop ALL heat transfer in the longwave IR and shortwave
visible spectra.
 
Bubble walls thinner than light wavelengths look transparent or "black."
As they get thicker, they acquire reflections and colors in the visible
spectrum. We want bubbles that are at least that thick. Reflective bubbles
in the visible spectrum may still be transparent to IR. I suppose these
reflections mainly come from Fresnel losses, ie those resulting from the
impedance mismatch or difference or between the indexes of refraction of
air and water. Each air-water interface might reflect ((n-1)/(n+1))^2 of
the incident normal radiation, assuming the index of air is 1 and the index
of water is n (what is n for water? Less than glass. It's about 1.5 for glass,
which makes the air-glass reflection coefficient rho about 4% at normal
incidence. Reflection coefficients go up for non-perpendicular incidence 
angles. For glass-air with a 60 degree incidence angle, rho becomes 9.3%.
There is a complicated formula on page 218 of Duffie and Beckman's book 
showing how to calculate this, starting with Snell's law.)  

The index and thus reflection coefficient depends on the wavelength, and rho
also depends on the wall thickness somehow, and whether the water has color
or not, eg some sort of dye, in the IR spectrum... Absorbing lots of energy
in the bubble wall may be almost as good as reflecting it, if there are lots
of small bubbles so the heat has to pass from one to the other in a long
chain from indoors to outdoors. Letting the heat pass right thru the bubble
walls is not good.

>With soap bubbles, the water around the bubble can move:

You mean the bubble wall itself... sure. Slowly, one hopes. 

>So a water molecule could absorb energy, and while the bubbles are
>going up, I'd expect warmer bubbles to go up faster.

I'd hope they wouldn't move much at all. Dr. Grosse's didn't move much. Some
of his bubbles lasted more than a year. His principles of bubble health and
long life are: 1. Dust is the enemy of bubbles. 2. Carbon dioxide poisons
bubbles (better bubbles are not blown by humans), and 3. Bubbles love cold.
They also like humidity. _The Unbelievable Bubble Book_ says (in the
"Permanent Bubbles" section)

    As it turns out, bubble death is preventable, or certainly postponable,
    a discovery most definitely made by Dr. Grosse nearly 30 years ago. Among
    Dr. Grosse's many other scientific awards and achievements exists the
    lesser-known fact that he was once the owner of the world's oldest bubble.

    Prof. Grosse's office was home to a huge collection of aging bubbles
    in various states of decay. Under Prof Grosse's meticulous care,
    bubbles did not burst. They flattened. But it was a process that often
    took many months, in some cases, years. They were created out of an
    esoteric bubble solution, and protected fromm deadly dust particles 
    by glass bell jars. 
 
    Prof. Grosse has described his peculiar collection in this way:
    "My first bubbles all died in infancy. They were blown with much
    the same kind of soap that Isaac Newton used in his classic bubble
    experiments. I turned to the literature and found that a much better
    soap was described more than a century ago by the blind Belgian physicist
    Joseph A. F. Plateau, who laid the foundations of our present knowledge
    of soap bubbles. Bubbles blown with Plateau's solution will last for
    several minutes in an ordinary room and for several hours with
    proper protection."

The book mentions that Plateau also created bubbles lasting more than a year.

>So on sloping or curved construction they tend to reach the outside pretty
>soon, losing their heat energy via conduction to the PE film / outside.

Steve said that as he recalled, this heat transfer by moving mass wasn't a
problem. Yes, if you pump air and especially liquid at a high rate thru an
empty glazing cavity, that would reduce the cavity resistance, but he said
that didn't seem to be a problem. 
 
>The bubbles would be great if they were stationary. (not moving)

That's the idea. Bubbles that are fairly stationary, with a long lifetime.
Humidity is one thing that makes bubbles burst. Dust is another. Neither
would be much of a problem inside a glazing cavity. But recall that Dr.
Grosse made bubble foams that he hung on his office walls, with no glazing...
Sprinkled with sequins, even.

>I can't believe they're of great value, when they're moving up,
>especially, if the air is exhausted to the outside.

I agree this should be a closed system, at least to avoid the buildup of dust.
Loss of water and heatloss by massflow out of the cavity would be minor, it
seems to me, even if the air were exhausted to the outside. 
 
>I'd expect it to be equivalent to have a 50 Watt blower blowing air
>between the two PE sheets which is exhausted through various gaps to
>the outside.

That doesn't sound like a great way to insulate a window :-)

>Maybe even worse, since the air would absorb some moisture thus also
>absorbing heat from the surroundings. (evaporative cooling!!!!)
>just imagine the HUGE water surface the bubbles create.

It sure is mind-boggling. But these would be clumped bubbles, not free
floating bubbles. A foam.

>Evaporative cooling would be eliminated, if the PE sheets were leak
>free and the water AND air would be cyclead over & over (sucking air
>from the top to create the new bubbles).

Good idea. I wonder how to pop the bubbles and separate the water and
air at the top, so the air can go thru an aquarium air pump. Something
like this? 
                        ---------------------------- 
		       |  ----------------------    |
       sand filter?--> | |             <--     |    | <--bubbles
                       | |                     |    |
                       | |   ----------        |    |
                       | |  |  -  air  | -->   |    |
                       |  --  | | pump  ----   |    |
		       |  ----  ----------  |  |    | <--water
                       |w|                | |  |wwww| <--water levle
		       | |                |  --     |
		       | |                 ----     |
		       | | water return->      |    |
                       |  ---------------------     |
                        ----------------------------

Or maybe the right kind of air pump wouldn't mind pumping a few bubbles,
reliability-wise, anymore than it would mind pumping air with 100% RH.

>So what is left is the cycling of the water & air from the inside
>sheet to the outside sheet:

Very slowly, one hopes.

>There would be a significant amount of water running down the inside
>sheet (it's a curved/sloped construction, and gravity does it's job),
>absorbing pretty much heat from the inside.

The flow rate seems like an experimental question, and a matter of
picking the right bubble solution... And as you say, geometry. The
flow rate would be different for a vertical window or a horizontal
bubble ceiling or the sloped underside of a bubble cathedral ceiling.
It would be nice if these were all minimal water flow rates. Larger
air flow rates are (1000 times) more tolerable. 

                   . 
                       .
                       .     .                               
                     . .             . <-- plywood or OSB under EPDM rubber
       <-- south    .  .                       .           
                   .20'. poly film bubble ceiling        .   ...........
                  .    .                           .         .         .
                 .     .                                     . chicken .
    refl. pond  .      .<-              38'     .          ->.   coop  .
     ............................................p ~~~~~~~~~ p................
                          thermal storage pond->  ppppppppppp
   
In the above case it might be nice to try to make the bubbles flow up
>from  the chicken coop along the underside of the sloped roof and over
the peak and down the south glazed wall at night. During the day, it
would be nice to have bubbles along the sloped ceiling, but not in the
south glazed wall. 

>Some of this water is then contacting the outside sheet as it's
>re-bubbled, losing its energy to the outside.
 
Little, we hope.

>What we would need to gain any profit over the blower-alone approach
>would be an air-tight construction of the two sheets and a liquid
>that'd produce very "sturdy" bubbles, so that the air-movement rate
>could be lowered.

Right.

>just my thoughts....

Thanks Albrecht. Time for less gedanken experiments?

Nick



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From meinersb@magpage.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:13 EDT 1996
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I'm looking toward retirement in the next half decade.  Rather than play the
"investment" game I am considering buying/building a home that would provide
most of my food and shelter (warmth).  The home I am thinking about would
probably be quite small as I have no need of large amounts of space (1000 sq ft or less), but
would include an integrated green house, fish pond and solar heating & hot
water and photo voltaic electricity.  The areas that I am looking at are mild climate -- 
Ventura County CA or near Bolder Creak CA (I have family and memories in both places).  

I expect that with normal inflation (3 to 4%)  utility and food bills would soon out strip my 
small pension.  Since I plan to get old and feeble in the house it could not be your "back to 
nature" homestead. I am also concerned about my inexperience at construction and my strength 
(I'll be a flabby 51 when I retire).

I want a dwelling that would keep me warm, provide water, waste disposal and about 80% of my 
food (fish, vegetables and potatoes) and would last 30 years without major repair?  I'm 
thinking of a total cost for the house of about $50,000.  Is this in the realm of possibility 
or would I be better off investing the money and renting a room?

I have been sending  Email to the Earthship people since their concept sounds like it might be 
right and they have real experience creating houses.  Since the plan is to spend most of my 
money up front rather than try to make it last I am concerned with real experience in building 
self-suffient houses not just ideas on paper that look good.  Is there anybody else out there 
who can reliably build such a house?

If no one is doing it I would suggest that this would be a big market for somone who has the 
skills and the money.

Looking for a place to call home (not one lent to me by the bank)
Brad




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Isn't there some way we can get these out of here?
And another thing, how come I always know all those names on the list?




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I'm looking for any information on the design and construction of a 
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these bio mass heaters were on a nova segment aired along time ago on 
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Due to the recent advances of bio mass furnaces, wood/coal gassification 
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thermal mass to evenly heat a large home, and a burning chamber large 
enough to handel wood logs/palets, as well as mass quantities of corn 
cobs or any other form of "recyclable" material.

Any help will be appreciated
thanks in advance

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Brad, 
Earthship definitely sounds like the way to go for you.  I have been 
reading their book on how to build one, and it is a fascinating concept.  8)
I wonder how it could be fit into an urban framework?
8)
Vince



From nyboe@centrum.dk Sun Apr 21 12:46:14 EDT 1996
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Do somebody know the danish arcitect Poul Henningsen (PH).
I'm planning to make his unofficial homepage, and want to 
make some links to related sites. I would like to hear from 
you if you know about such sites.
He made furnitures and houses but the PH-lamps made him 
famous - worldwide.

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From emfriedm@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:15 EDT 1996
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From: vkmF92@hamp.hampshire.edu (Sleepless in Amherst)
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Sriv Navaratnam (sriv@bnr.ca) wrote:
: We are intereseted in buying a Lustrom Home - pre fabricated all 
: metal home built in 1950s. The house seems needing quite a bit of
: remodeling. Does anyone have any experience working on them or 
: remodeling them. If possible please e-mail me your replies.

: Thanks,
: sriv@bnr.ca
Do you have any ways of posting pictures of this house?  I would be very 
interested in seeing what it looks like.
Vince




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This thing sounds great for me but.....I am in Australia. Our one dollar 
notes or now coins! Can I still do it?

My e-mail address is    buddy@internetnorth.com.au



From jonhobbs@island.net Sun Apr 21 12:46:16 EDT 1996
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From: "Jon Hobbs, MRAIC" <jonhobbs@island.net>
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Subject: Re: The Original Finnish Sauna
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Paul Hirst wrote:
> 
> My mother is from Finland and I've grown up with a
> real Sauna (not a saw-naw).  In the west, we've
> used quaking aspen, with no finish.  So far, the
> wood has lasted very well, no pitch, not too hot.
> Works great.  The biggest question I've got is
> where can I get a decent sauna stove?  Do I have to
> import them, or are there good sources in the US?
> 
> pmh1@arch.wustl.edu
> 
> -- the Insitute for Suburban Studies ---
> http://corbu.wustl.edu/hirsp1/www/iss/isshome.htmre: Sauna Stoves

I am not sure where you might access wood-burning sauna stoves in the 
U.S. but there are a couple of companies in eastern Canada which import 
stoves from Finland.( Try the Toronto or Thunder Bay telephone 
directories) I generally use a custom-built stove made of steel plate 
which was designed by my father who is a metallurgical engineer. The 
stove is heavy and large but works well, stands up for many years and 
will heat up a sauna efficiently with little wood in a short time. The 
critical concerns are providing for ash removal, an adjustable draft, 
circulation of flue gases around the rocks and durability to ensure that 
the stove which is "loaded" with with rocks on top can withstand constant 
firing. 

I have been in saunas finished with cedar, painted plywood, pine, logs, 
etc. and most are acceptable if clean, and the temperature is correct.

There is an excellent article in "Cottage Life" magazine, entitled "Hot 
Ideas" which describes a "floating sauna".

Nothing is better for the health than a sauna!!


Jon Hobbs, MRAIC



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"Jon Hobbs, MRAIC" <jonhobbs@island.net> wrote:

>Paul Hirst wrote:
>> 
>> where can I get a decent sauna stove?  Do I have to
>> import them, or are there good sources in the US?
>> 

	Try	Finn-Sisu
		1841 University Ave W
		St Paul   MN     55104

		(612) 645-2443





From mabranch@aol.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:16 EDT 1996
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While I'm not very familiar with Wittgenstein's writings, I saw a book
that came out two years ago called "Ludwig Wittgenstein, Architect." I
think it was from MIT Press. It concerned a house that he actually
designed for his socialite sister, in collaboration with an architect who
had trained under Adolf Loos. An interesting house, as I recall.


From jmg@powerscourt.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:16 EDT 1996
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From: jmg@powerscourt.com (Jess M. Giessel)
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Sriv Navaratnam <sriv@bnr.ca> wrote:

>We are intereseted in buying a Lustrom Home - pre fabricated all 
>metal home built in 1950s. The house seems needing quite a bit of
>remodeling. Does anyone have any experience working on them or 
>remodeling them. If possible please e-mail me your replies.

What do you mean by "needs remodeling"? Is it rundown and in need of
restoration, or do you not like some of its "dated" features and wish
to destroy much of what is original. If the later is the case, please
leave the home for a more sympathic buyer.

JMG

"I believe totally in a Capitalist System, I only wish that someone would try it." Frank Lloyd Wright

JMG's World: www.powerscourt.com/jmg. Architecture and other Fun Stuff.

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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:17 EDT 1996
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Laurel Halbany <mythago@agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
>hstrynut@ix.netcom.com (Monica L. Tittle) wrote:
>>In addition to all of the wonderful suggestions given here, you could
>>also concider giving up meat.

Or combine meat eating with house heating?

One often-overlooked house heating technique is wabbits. Put enough of them
in a well-insulated room, and they can keep it pretty warm...

Page 9.12 of the 1993 ASHRAE Handbook of Fundamentals says that a 5.41 lb
normally active rabbit makes 39.22 Btu/hour of sensible heat (and another
19.31 Btu/hour of latent heat, ie water vapor), so if the room were say,
12 x 12 x 8' tall, with R20 walls and floor and ceiling and no windows or
air leaks, having a surface area of 2(12x12+12x8+12x8) = 672 ft^2 and a
thermal conductivity of 672/20 = 33.6 Btu/hr/F, and it were 76 F inside and
36 F outside, one would need 1344 Btu/hr to keep it warm, ie 1344/39.22 =
34.27 bunnies weighing 5.41 pounds each, making 7.25 Btu/hr/lb of heat.

The ASHRAE HOF also says that a 6.61 lb cat puts out 45.57 Btu/hr, so one
would only require 29.49 cats, at 6.89 Btu/hr/lb, to heat this room. Or 
1210.81 mice making 1.11 Btu/hr, weighing 0.046 lb, ie 24.13 Btu/hr/lb. Heat
output might exceed normally active levels, if one co-deployed both species.

Larger creatures make less heat per pound, as varmint volumes grow faster
than surfaces. People only make about 1 Btu/hr/lb, even without fur.

Larger houses with smaller surface to volume ratios would need proportionally
smaller floorspace for their thermal menageries. A walkout basement seems
like a good place to keep chickens, or cows, as the Swiss do, with a
vapor barrier under the first floor. 

Off to Abilene...

Nick

There are 89 institutions of higher learning in the Philadelphia area.
What is the correct collective term for such aggregations? Might one
call them facultative lagoons, which accumulate sludge in winter, and
decompose it in summer? Or "constipations of colleges"? 



From wanderer@trader.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:17 EDT 1996
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Yes, treehouses can be made suitable for year round use, with the addition 
of insulation and a heat source.
One can build between two or more trees for larger more stable structures.
In cold climates, problems would be encountered with pipe freezing, on the 
way into and out of the tree.
There are books available covering the building and design of treehouses. 
Look in the library.
The Wanderer
 
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I have been a student of alternative architecture since teenage years in 
the '60s. I have heard of folks using tents as permanent structures.
I want to build a light weight pole structure, use straw bales as infill 
and in the ceiling, and then cover the whole thing with canvas. Waste of 
time and money or good way to move on to land and build a real house. 
Strawbale of course.
Any advice appreciated.
The Wanderer
 
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From khoan@cea.berkeley.edu Sun Apr 21 12:46:19 EDT 1996
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From: "Bi N." <khoan@cea.berkeley.edu>
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I have a brand new Simplex V-Groover.
It's a Logan Simplex Matcutter by Logan.  Selling it 
for $50 still in the box.
Anyone interested please e-mail.

        -Bi


From rradd@peg.apc.org Sun Apr 21 12:46:19 EDT 1996
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From: Robert Whyte <rradd@peg.apc.org>
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Research project: We're looking for examples of naive/quirky
do-it-yourself architecture close to Brisbane, Sydney, or 
Melbourne - Australia.

The sort of things we're looking for include:
 - odd house extensions built from strange materials or in weird
   shapes
 - small-scale architectural follies
 - bizarre renovations
 - weird uses of everyday items
 - generally stupid domestic stuff 

Perfect examples would be:
 - this guy in Caboolture, QLD who's built a mobile home by bolting
   the fuselage of a DC3 onto the back of a truck.
 - a chap who's constructed a home made roll-a-door by cementing a 
   domestic power drill into a wall and mounting a drive sprocket 
   into the chuck
 - a house that looks like a spaceship
 - a garden fully covered by chicken wire from roof to fenceline
   etc.etc. 
   
If you know any similar sorts of architectural eccentricities, please
send details via email. In return you'll get not only our profound
gratitude, but you'll be contributing to a database thats
chock-a-block full of the very weirdest home handy work down under.
Naturally we'll send you the pick of the crop.

No subject too stupid, no objects too ridiculous.


Thanks in advance
The urkitechture research team from rradd@peg.apc.org (Robert Whyte)


From casadata@iag.net Sun Apr 21 12:46:20 EDT 1996
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In article <4l6or3$7es@tofu.alt.net>, Brad Meiners <meinersb@magpage.com> wrote:

> I'm looking toward retirement in the next half decade.  Rather than play the
> "investment" game I am considering buying/building a home that would provide
> most of my food and shelter (warmth).  The home I am thinking about would
> probably be quite small as I have no need of large amounts of space
(1000 sq ft or less), but
> would include an integrated green house, fish pond and solar heating & hot
> water and photo voltaic electricity.  The areas that I am looking at are
mild >climate -- 

Fascinating concept. Self-sufficiency often demands lots of hard work,
which is why people in the olden days had lots of kids over a long
period--took them well into their retirement. I would think that you want
to concentrate on a minimal daily/monthly outlay of money. The Uniabomber
lived on $1/day--so it can be done. Of course, if you want some creature
comforts and more to eat than turnips and rutabagas, the system will be
more complex and/or expensive. You need to 1) own the property outright
and have it in a location of low taxes, 2) have fixed or very slowly
increasing utilities, and 3) have a food and water source.

The first item can be tricky. If you move too far out to escape taxes, you
may also be moving too far from good medical support--which most older
folks need. Even the healthiest of us have medical problems when we age.
If you move too close to urban areas, problem of security and tax increase
surprises could blow you away.

Item two has been well studied. Judicious use of solar energy, house
placement and orientation, and landscaping can minimize energy. Since you
are retired, you can could try to work your daily schedule to maximize use
of sunlight, heat of the day, cool of the night, etc..

Item three should be easy--with all that time on your hands!


From dclarkfive@aol.com Sun Apr 21 12:46:20 EDT 1996
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Subject: Safety manual for Architect's office?
Date: 20 Apr 1996 10:49:42 -0400
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The local (state) gov't here is requiring my Architecural office to have a
safety manual or face a $1,000 fine.  

Does any one have one of these you would be willing to share, or have any
ideas on where to start?

Dave Clark, AIA


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In article <4kvcn2$lv5@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jfbjr@aol.com (JFBjr) wrote:

> In article <4kmdil$6p7@doc.zippo.com>, Marcio Moreira writes:
> 
> >Anyone know if is there any standard for layers, colors and 
> >pens. Maybe AIA or ANSI have something like this.
> 
> The AIA publishes a CAD Layer Naming Standard designed to cover most every
> building system. Colors and Pens are up to the individual, more dependant
> on your equipment than anything else.
> 
> John Benware

The trouble is trying to get *all* consultants to comply with the layering
guidelines.

-- 
Erik H. Link
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I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't
been for you meddling kids and that dog.
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If anyone is interested in seeing some very nice photos of granite 
products they are at: http://www.jdweb.com/stonwerk/dsc.html


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Interesting idea about the tents.  Of course there was a
great surge of interest in tepees starting from the 60s
through the late 70's.
Depends on how cold it is going to get where you pitch
your tent.
The tepee has the fire with smoke going up the middle for
heat, needs a good supply of firewoods.
Canvas would be the most natural material to design your
own tent.

Another cheap route would be these poly tarps which are
usually blue (dont ask me why) with woven fiber through
and grommets and can be had at sale prices for very cheap,
almost any size up to 20 by 40 feet etc.
You could harvest local straw or plant leaves, etc. make
sure you dry them out well, and then fill in a double
layer of the tarps.
Depending on temperatures, (perhaps you are going homestead
in Alaska :) ), you could do a triple layer of the tarps
with double fill of the fiber or straw for insulation.

The ends of the v shape tent (simplest structure) could
have a small window/entrance of course and one end could
have if carefully shielded, a flue pipe out for a wood 
stove, perhaps with a wood pole wall at that end.

carl steen


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Thu May 23 13:39:35 EDT 1996
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Margaret Cyrzan  <cyrzan@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>
>I am interested in finding the position of the sun at noon at approx. 40 
>degrees latitude in July.  In other words at what angle is the sun from the 
>horizon.  Where can I get such information from?

You might look in the second (1991) edition of Duffie and Beckman's Wiley
book, _Solar Engineering of Thermal Processes_. At noon on June 21, the sun
gets up to 90+23.5-lat, ie 73.5 degrees above the horizon at 40 N lat. On
Dec 22 the max elevation is 90-23.5-lat, eg 26.5 degrees above the horizon
at 40 N lat. At other times of year, the max angle above the horizon follows
a shifted sine wave in Iqbal's formula, 90-lat+23.45sin((284+day)360/365),
where day is the day of the year from 1 (Jan 1) to 365 (Dec 31).
 
>Also, does anyone know where I might find a chart that shows the angle at 
>different times in the day for different months at different latitudes?

There's a formula in D&B's book above.

Nick



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From jmorlan@wppost.depaul.edu Thu May 23 13:39:36 EDT 1996
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From: "J. Morlan" <jmorlan@wppost.depaul.edu>
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klint@onramp.net wrote:
> 
> Has anyone read the book RAMMED EARTH HOUSE by David Easton?
> I was wondering if it was worth a read.

The book is good, but it does present rammed earth from the perspective 
of using massive forms and some heavy fossil-fuel powered equipment 
(bucket loaders, gas-powered tamping equipment, etc). Personally I like 
the idea and the aesthetics of using soil cement, but it does seem that 
you are only a few steps behind (in terms of complexity of construction 
technique) from pouring cement instead of ramming earth.

I see little written on the use of soil cement blocks - a technique that 
should be easily capable of building one or two story structures with far 
less reliance on heavy lifting equipment and processes that 
require multi-person crews.

There used to be hand-driven block presses for making soil cement blocks, 
- one was called the CINVA ram press, designed for use in non-developed 
countries where labor is plentiful and bucket loaders scarce.

Problem is, I have looked all over and cannot find a source for them, 
anywhere in the world. I do remember reading about a soil-cement block 
press similar to the CINVA ram press that could be powered by a small 
gasoline lawnmower sized engine. This supposedly increased production of 
soil cement blocks four to tenfold over pure two-man teams.

Has anyone come across good sources for building with soil cement that 
doesn't involve large crews, heavy equipment, and forms so costly to 
build that they are cost-effective only if used by professionals on 
multiple construction jobs?


From Milners@gnn.com Thu May 23 13:39:37 EDT 1996
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From: Milners@gnn.com (Susan Milner)
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Dear Architects or people who are interested.
I am interested in having an agricultural community designed 
outside of Winston-Salem, NC  Possibly on a "Kibutz" style 
premise.  Where people can live co operative.  Share, eat, work, 
worship, etc., together.  Having mutual values and goals in life.  
Is there anyone who knows of anybody who has either done this type 
of design work or is interested in doing it. Self-sufficiency, 
ecomony, sharing, and high standard of living among families and 
individuals, are all objectives of mine.  Any thoughts would be 
greatly appreciated.  



From mipeter@aol.com Thu May 23 13:39:37 EDT 1996
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Public Library Renovation & Expansion
Request for Architects' Qualifications


A small western Michigan architectural firm with limited library
experience would like to assemble a team of designers to propose to
provide a complete package of architectural and planning services to an
area community for the planned $3 million (US) expansion and renovation of
an existing 12,000 SF public library.  The existing facility was
constructed in the early 1980's, and is a brick veneer, earth-sheltered
building.  The community has secured funding for renovation of the
existing building, as well as a proposed addition.  The completed project
will likely more than double the existing square footage to a total of
approximately 28,000 SF.  A library consultant has been working with the
Building Advisory Committee and a local Community Foundation to establish
program requirements.

We are currently seeking letters of interest with a concise statement of
qualifications from architectural firms with considerable public library
experience to assemble a team of qualified designers.  It is anticipated
that Bosma Phinney Architects will propose as Prime, with another firm
serving as consulting designers.  We will also secure proposals from
consulting mechanical and electrical engineers and consulting structural
engineers locally.  The location of the consulting design firm is not a
significant issue, provided the firm has the capability for electronic
transfer of sketches and schematics.

It will be necessary for at least one principal member of the successful
consulting design firm to travel to western Michigan, (USA,) for as many
as two personal interviews with the Client during the final selection
process.  The first of these interviews is likely to be held in July.

Interested and qualified parties are encouraged to visit URL:

 http://www.wolfe.net/~dbailey/pkp.html  

for insight into the type of projects undertaken recently by the prime
architect, as well as the approach used by the firm and some sense of its
professional concerns.

Time is of the essence in this matter, as the RFQ response to the Client
is due in Michigan on May 24, 1996.  Additional information will be
transferred electronically to interested consulting designers or design
firms upon receipt of a letter of interest with statement of
qualifications.  Please address the following questions in your letter of
interest:

1.  Has the consulting design firm had experience in teaming with other
firms at a distance?  What method has been used for the transfer of
information between the firms (fax, e-mail, electronic drawing transfer,
etc.)?

2.  What specific related library experience has the consulting design
firm had in the past ten years (please include project location, square
footage, construction value, and a BRIEF building program narrative)?

3.  How does the consulting design firm envision the fee structure and the
division of the scope of work for a project of this nature?  What will you
expect to be paid, and what specific services do you anticipate providing?
 Further, what will you expect from the prime in the way of documentation
of existing conditions, programming support, drawing production, etc.  

The prime has experience in assembling teams of specialized designers for
projects of this nature, although its design experience with this building
type is limited.

For additional information, please do not hesitate to make use of the
comments form available at our web site, or contact Mr. Phinney directly
by telephone at:  (616) 728-9519, or through e-mail at: 
peterkp@alliance.net.

NOTE:  Please do not respond automatically ot this post, as it was posted
through my personal account @aol.  Please use the addresses above.  Thank
you - P.Phinney


From diy@mail.utexas.edu Thu May 23 13:39:37 EDT 1996
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From: diy@mail.utexas.edu (diy)
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I am working on my summer independent study of Feng Shui to Taipei's city
Planning. You might want to provide some helpful info, thanks.


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For sale, Aalto fan-leg table model X800A, 80cm x 135cm x 71cm high
and a set of six fan-leg stools, model X600, 38cm diameter, 45cm high.
A mono Jpeg of the table & two of the stools is available in
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From Span8591@uidaho.edu Thu May 23 13:39:38 EDT 1996
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In article <4lrt5q$cqb@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu
(Nick Pine) wrote:


>
>One frugal Abilene house uses $100/month in winter for gas heat and $100/month
>in summer for air-conditioning. It has 6 window air conditioners. Can the
>owners use less fossil fuel?
>
(much snipped)

It doesn't sound very frugal to me. My (former) house in Winnemucca, NV
cost half that to heat in winter, and one quarter that to cool, although
the cooling was with a swamp cooler, which may not be an option on your
area. The heating was with gas. construction was standard for manufactured
housing, with 6" walls and extra insulation in the ceiling. But it was all
ordered right out the catalog.  

The rest of the post was well done. Good energy balance.

-- 
Mike Spangler 
University of Idaho
span8591@uidaho.edu


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Oh No!  Instead of disappearing he created a duplicate of himself.



Shane Milburn - durable@cris.com



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Hi there !!!  My wife and I want to build an earth sheltered house.
It will be made almost entirely of concrete block.  Depending on your
area, concrete block may be called foundation block or cinder block or
something else but I think most persons will know what I am refering
to here.  The problem is, how do we finish the block once the house is
built.  It can be painted but it is very porous and soaks up a LOT of
paint.  Also, it doesn't look very good.  We are sure other have had
this problem, hence the post.

Any suggestions will be SINCERLY appreciated.


_______________________________________________________________

David Bezinque   ><>

email BEZINQUE@pop3.cris.com

When I was in high school, I had a drivers education instructor that
was also a football coach.  He mispronounced my last name every day
for an entire year.

You learn as long as you live or else you stop living.

                                 =*=



From fine@well.com Thu May 23 13:39:40 EDT 1996
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From: Doug Fine <fine@well.com>
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Good folks in Southwest New Mexico are offering weekend and weekly 
sustainable home building seminars in the beautiful Gila National Forest 
throughout the summer of 1996 for a reasnable rate.  I am a friend of 
theirs and vouch for them wholeheartedly.  The price is something like 
$150 for the week long seminars (which is incredibly cheap considering 
wht you're learning, that they feed you and that it's located in 
paradise).  I'm not enough of an expert to fully detail the facets of 
the seminars (I'm taking one in late May), but stuff like straw bale 
insulating, solar maximization, and a start to finish project are part 
of the deal.  Call Melissa or Fred at (505) 536-9777.  Tell them Doug 
sent you from the 'Net and get 0% off.




From dmoore@epix.net Thu May 23 13:39:40 EDT 1996
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If anyone is interested in, or knows someone interested in, old barn 
materials, please e-mail me.  I am in the north central PA region.  We have 
large amounts of barn siding, support timber -- from 2 ft. sq. (approx. 52 ft. 
long) down to 4"x4".  Additionally, we have antique copper lightning rods (w/ 
ceramic globe), copper lightning cable, hay bale track, grainary brick, etc.



From nova@dial.pipex.com Thu May 23 13:39:40 EDT 1996
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From: nova@dial.pipex.com (Patrick Baird)
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A new website, promoting country holidays in the Strangford Lough area
of Co Down, N. Ireland, has a large section on Castles (Norman tower
houses, keeps etc and isih Country houses in the Strangford area  

STRANGFORD LOUGH COUNTRY HOLIDAYS is at:

http://www.nova.co.uk/nova/strngfrd/





From wstewart@patriot.net Thu May 23 13:39:41 EDT 1996
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From: William R Stewart <wstewart@patriot.net>
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David Bezinque wrote:
> 
> Hi there !!!  My wife and I want to build an earth sheltered house.
> It will be made almost entirely of concrete block.  Depending on your
> area, concrete block may be called foundation block or cinder block or
> something else but I think most persons will know what I am refering
> to here.  The problem is, how do we finish the block once the house is
> built.  It can be painted but it is very porous and soaks up a LOT of
> paint.  Also, it doesn't look very good.  We are sure other have had
> this problem, hence the post.

You might want to consider concrete forms, instead.  They look something
like cinderblocks, except the are insulating material that concrete is 
poured into.  R-values are R-26 and higher, far better than cinder 
block.  And they are easier to finish.

Cheers,

Will Stewart


From jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu May 23 13:39:41 EDT 1996
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From: "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Malcolm Wells, modern "Father of Underground Building", has suggested a
10% premium as a reasonable expectation for an earth shelter; the best
proven waterproofing system (butyl sheets on deck, topped w/ rigid
insulation, subsoil, and topsoil) is not out of line with traditional
high-quality roofing, and the need to waterproof any bermed walls is
nearly offset by the freedom from finishing that wall. In a smaller
structure, ie, a house, 10% is even a bit high, as there is no need for
outrageous structure to support vast spans; if none of your spans exceed
12' or 16', you can get away with only mildly beefed-up structure (eg,
2x10s 1' o.c. to span 12 -- that's a seat-of-the-pants guess, not a rule
of thumb, but I think you get the idea).
Of course, additional costs are more than offset by the return in long
life for the building -- a well-detailed earth-covered roof should/could
last literally centuries unmaintained. Or you could replace your asphalt
shingles every 30 yrs. 

JMR

93 SL2, blue-green

It's never too early to give up.

"What's the use of a good house if you don't have a decent planet to put
it on?."



From sdavis@onthenet.com.au Thu May 23 13:39:41 EDT 1996
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From: Steve Davis <sdavis@onthenet.com.au>
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Found this somewhere, thought it might be of interest:

A new discussion list has been started for geodesic dome home 
enthusiasts.
Below is a partial listing of the initial greeting upon subscribing to 
the
list. To subscribe to the list, send an email message to
<DomeHome-H@h19.hoflin.com>  with "subscribe" as the only word in the
SUBJECT line.


-- 
All the best

Steve

==========================================================================
sdavis@onthenet.com.au                     http://onthenet.com.au/~sdavis
==========================================================================

No one is useless: a person with no good qualities can always serve as a 
bad example.


From webarch@kern.com Thu May 23 13:39:42 EDT 1996
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In <4n5l87$h66@tribune.concentric.net>, BEZINQUE@pop3.CRIS.COM (David Bezinque) writes:
>Hi there !!!  My wife and I want to build an earth sheltered house.
>It will be made almost entirely of concrete block.  Depending on your
>area, concrete block may be called foundation block or cinder block or
>something else but I think most persons will know what I am refering
>to here.  The problem is, how do we finish the block once the house is
>built.  It can be painted but it is very porous and soaks up a LOT of
>paint.  Also, it doesn't look very good.  We are sure other have had
>this problem, hence the post.
>

One approach is to leave it unpainted - For less than the cost of paint, you
can select colored, textured, different sized, or patterned concrete block
which might end up pleasing to you. 

Porous block soaking up paint is a problem that most paint manufacturers
have a "block-filler" for. This paint has short polyester fibers in it to bridge
the pores, making subsequent finish coats much less expensive.

Plaster can be applied to the block, completely hiding it.

There are hundreds of solutions, you simply have to decide which is 
most appropriate for your application, budget, tastes, craftspeople, etc.

W. Edward Blockley AIA, Architect
webarch@kern.com


From syllabus@intergate.bc.ca Thu May 23 13:39:42 EDT 1996
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The Royal Architectural Institute of Canada (RAIC) Syllabus is a National 
program of practical experience and courses of study : the accessible 
alternative to University.

See our Web site: http://www.raic.org/syllabus for more information.




From 100306.3431@CompuServe.COM Thu May 23 13:39:42 EDT 1996
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From: Karen Hay <100306.3431@CompuServe.COM>
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The Giant is a collaboration of architects on a web site 
http://www.slumberinggiant.co.uk, dedicated to providing a forum for
architecture on the WWW. We have several exhibitions from the RIBA 
Architecture Centre on line and are hoping to create a rogues 
gallery of the worst buidings that adorn our skyline. We need help 
with your recommendations of any woofers you've seen and we will 
post them in the exhibition. Please visit us or e-mail 
100306.3431@compuserve.com.
Thanks
Vanessa Bartulovic


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	For complete details and to register, go to

	http://www.jas.co.jp/e_jashom.htm

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

	There are still 2 weeks left to enter
Japan Air System's Boeing 777 Body Design Competition
for a chance to win a Grand Prize of about $20,000
(it's actually 2 million yen).

	Designs are submitted via the World  Wide Web,
and this is said to be the first competition of its
kind. It is open to both professionals and non-professionals,
anywhere in the world.

	The competition will be judged by director Kurosawa Akira 
among others. Kurosawa's rainbow designs were selected last year 
for JAS' current fleet of MD90 airliners. This year's winning
design will appear on their new Boeing 777's scheduled to begin 
flying next spring.

	This is a straight, public relations promotion. There are 
no gimmicks, no fees, and there's nothing to lose. It's just an outstanding 
opportunity to send your work across the sky and earn 
a small fortune for it.
	
	David G. Imber

PS: If I can answer any questions, please feel free to e-mail me.



From jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu May 23 13:39:43 EDT 1996
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From: "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.architecture.alternative: 11-May-96 A new co
operative communit.. by Susan Milner@gnn.com 
> Dear Architects or people who are interested.
> I am interested in having an agricultural community designed 
> outside of Winston-Salem, NC  Possibly on a "Kibutz" style 
> premise.  Where people can live co operative.  Share, eat, work, 
> worship, etc., together.  Having mutual values and goals in life.  
> Is there anyone who knows of anybody who has either done this type 
> of design work or is interested in doing it. Self-sufficiency, 
> ecomony, sharing, and high standard of living among families and 
> individuals, are all objectives of mine.  Any thoughts would be 
> greatly appreciated.  
> 

Neither I nor anyone I know has designed this sort of thing (although
FLWright designed several of his Usonian groups along somewhat similar
lines -- shared construction labor, common land, etc.), but I've thought
about it a fair amount. Some ideas you might want to consider include:
shared work resourced -- you mention an agricultural community, but if
you're heer, you probably have some attachment to the Information Age --
the inclusion of common-use copier, fax, and other modern office
necessities (but individual frivolities, so to speak)  would fit the
kibbutz into a wider range of needs; shared Green sewage system -- in
other words, a Living Machine or other environmentally-friendly waste
treatment system to be shared among the community; they work, and
provide aquaculture and pure water, but are only feasible on a scale
beyond a single family; in terms of overall design agricultural
communities walk a thin line between communal sharing and physical
distance -- you'll need to provide for either a clever way of clustering
homes while maintaining access to fields, or "Sunday houses", a concept
>from  rural Texas (I think) of the turn of the centruy, when families
would maintain a tiny house in town for the weekly trek for church,
supplies, and larger community. Another concept that might help would be
a mixture of private farm, individual garden plot, and communal fields
-- no need for everyone to grow separate corn, but not everyone likes
jalapeno peppers; meanwhile, any farm animals would have needs larger
than a garden, but may not be appropriate as a shared commodity.
Simply in terms of a shared, Green campus, UCBerkley (I think) has built
a group of buildings for research and living, out in the country,
utilising various Green and community (if not communal) concepts. If
you'd like, I can track down the reference (I saw it in an arch.
magazine).

Whatever happens, please keep us (or at least me) informed -- I'd really
like to know, as I would like someday to build and live in such a
community myself

JMR

93 SL2, blue-green

It's never too early to give up.

"What's the use of a good house if you don't have a decent planet to put
it on?."



From arkishop@om.com.au Thu May 23 13:39:43 EDT 1996
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I am an community based architect working at creating architecture which 
has low impact on and is in harmony with its environment.  I live in 
Byron Bay, Australia and I would like to work collabarotively with like 
minded architects around the world.  I use ArchiCAD 4.5 on a PowerMac 
and I suspect that this would be a good platform to have as a base if 
anyone out there is interested.

Note I am not interested in just computer buffs or byteheads I would 
like to work at making creative partnerships, is anyone out there 
interested.

Malcolm Price
ARKishop




From jrr@fc.hp.com Thu May 23 13:39:44 EDT 1996
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From: jrr@fc.hp.com (Jeff Rearick)
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Nick Pine (nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu) wrote:
: Margaret Cyrzan  <cyrzan@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
: >
: >I am interested in finding the position of the sun at noon at approx. 40 
: >degrees latitude in July.  In other words at what angle is the sun from the 
: >horizon.  Where can I get such information from?
:
: You might look in the second (1991) edition of Duffie and Beckman's Wiley
: book, _Solar Engineering of Thermal Processes_.... [snip]
:  
: >Also, does anyone know where I might find a chart that shows the angle at 
: >different times in the day for different months at different latitudes?
:
: There's a formula in D&B's book above.



In case you're not near a library but are near a browser, you could surf to:

  http://solstice.crest.org/staff/ceg/sunangle/

and run the interactive calculator (with lots of good help menus).

Jeff


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From: dmcinern@prairienet.org (D McInerney)
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> Margaret Cyrzan  <cyrzan@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>>
>>I am interested in finding the position of the sun at noon at approx. 40
>>degrees latitude in July.  In other words at what angle is the sun from the
>>horizon.  Where can I get such information from?
> 

Just a thought...

As an alternative to this, the (I assume) building you are 
considering could be modelled in 3 Dimensions (on a CADD system) 
and then one could use a program that would essentially "shine" 
light on the building according to building location (Lat-Long) 
and time of day.  This would show shadows, illumination, 
reflection etc.  A very realistic view of the effect of the sun 
on the space.  One could then do an animation compressing an 
entire day into about 30 seconds.

Richard Retzlaff
retzlafr@sask.aecl.ca


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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Thu May 23 13:39:45 EDT 1996
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From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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Summary: pretty long winded
Keywords: sunspaces, bubblewalls, research, design, development
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William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:

>I would recommend talking to a number of different energy consultants.

Me too. I usually start by asking "Are you familiar with Ohm's law?"
That filters out more than half of the "energy consultants" I've met,
but asking this question is sometimes embarrassing all around...

Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
person who answers it correctly.

>Nick does have a lot of theories, though he considers many of his untried
>pet theories to be far superior to anything anyone else has ever conceived.

It's hard to know how to dissect that sentence :-) It looks like an insult.
And untrue. Most of this stuff was conceived a long, long, long time ago.
New weather data, new arrangements of systems and new materials and controls
make it ever more practical and cost-effective and efficient now, but that
isn't the main problem...

Yes, I'm smarter than most people ("References please"--I belong to Mensa)
and I know a lot more about physics, and I've thought a lot more and in more
depth about solar heating and have more engineering degrees than many house
designers, backyard crackpots and armchair a.e.r posters who like to talk
about alt.energy but haven't done any at all, or PV hobbyists who have
learned how to screw a system together but don't know Ohm's law either, and
I do think _some_ of "my solar theories" are the cat's pajamas, especially
the ones that seem to make sense with my simple understanding of physics,
and the ones that really do work... the ones we've been trying out now in a
2' x 4' x 8' tall structure with an electronic data logger and modem inside,
in the real Pennsylvania winter outdoors on the roof of the physics building
at Ursinus college in Collegeville, PA since November 4... and physics prof
Paul Bashus and I have managed to hornswoggle our solar theories on paper
past the technical review committees of two international conferences in
the last year, as well as a number of PhDs, who have accepted our solar
closet paper for presentation at the Unesco-sponsored World Renewable Energy
Congress in Denver from June 16-21 (Jessica_White@NREL.GOV--the registration
fee increases from $340-740 after today, May 15), whose steering committee
alone has people from 130 countries, and I've talked and run sessions on solar
heating and cooling techniques at several US conferences, but. .  .
serious scientists and engineers consider solar closets and sunspaces
"trivial physics" and "unoriginal research."

Many scientists are out collecting funding to improve the solar collection
efficiency of some system from 16 to 17% by adding another $10/ft^2 to the
cost of something that already costs $30/ft^2. This kind of solar house
heating technology has been around since Edward Morse invented the "Trombe
Wall" in 1881, at least, and it's understood by many people who know what
they are talking about, and a lot more who don't. Solar house heating just
hasn't been done well yet, outside of the Southwest, on an significant scale,
partly because the field is peopled by ignorant hucksters, partly because
we are still waiting for the government to help make that happen... But
this is lumberyard and hardware store science, not stuff for theses and
Nobel prizes and NREL grants. It's waiting for bold entrepreneurs. And
more expensive energy prices, or people who care more about the environment,
or government regulations that make not caring more expensive...

Many heating and cooling engineers are working on heating and cooling systems
for skyscrapers, or heat pumps, where the money is today.

I've only been doing this full-time for 2 years now, after 25 years of
electrical engineering, and I'm still learning. Some things seem like good
ideas on paper but really do have to be tried out, and improved somehow for
some applications, or proved to be impractical for others, like bubblewalls.

Some things don't need to be tested much, like low-thermal-mass sunspaces,
and some things do, like bubblewalls. It's important to know the difference.

Bubblewalls are the subject of an old Swedish patent (I wish I had a copy.)
The original application was storefront windows. They have been tried in
this country over the years by people like John Groh, a New York grower (?)
and Dr. Merrill Jenson at U Arizona and Dr. Otho Wells at U New Hampshire,
who concluded in 1977 that bubblewalls were not practical night insulation
for commercial plastic film greenhouses simply because those greenhouses
need to be put together so roughly and quickly in the field by unskilled
people (so as not to raise their basic cost of 50 cents per square foot :-)
that leaks in such a system could not be avoided. Everyday leaks in plumbing,
plastic film connections, etc. These are real problems, and I don't mean to
minimize them, but they are also application-specific, and not hard to solve.

Dr. Wells says that windows in solar houses may be a different situation,
since they can be made more carefully... He also says he only got a US
R-value of 1.5 or so out of his 3"-6" thick poly film pillows, so it seems
we need to improve the bubbles themselves somehow, make them smaller and
longer lasting, with thicker walls perhaps, or go work on something else.
Dr. Aristid V. Gross of Temple U and the blind Belgian physicist Joseph
Plateau (1801-1883) both made bubbles that lasted over a year...

Dr. Wells was using an open system, more dustprone than a closed one, making
bubbles at the top of a 25' x 196' double poly film greenhouse to fill the
double poly film walls all round. He put slits in the plastic film, some
with sewn-in zippers (he said sewing zippers into poly film isn't easy),
to let some air out at the endwalls. He found he had to make more bubbles
every 2-4 hours, to keep the walls full of bubbles. Dr. Jenson experimented
with a photosensor to do this automatically, and also tried adding dyes to
the bubble solution, which were diluted so much in bubble from that they
had little effect. Another way to keep the glazing cavities full is to keep
a layer of bubbles moving slowly from bottom to top in a continuous fashion.
Another is to use temperature sensors to measure the R-value. Dr. Wells
said the small bubbles tended to settle out quickly and become liquid
again at the bottom...

Another problem: Dr. Wells mentions that the bubble distribution was not
uniform--big bubbles and open spots, thermal shunts with no bubbles, up to
1-2' in diameter would often develop. This might happen less if bubbles
move continuously up from the bottom instead of intermittently down from
the top of the cavity. Dr. Wells used a basic solution of 3% type E dust
reduction foam (a better choice might have been firefighting foam) from Mine
Safety Supply in Pittsburgh (now Mine Safety Appliances at (412) 776-7700?)
with 1% propylene glycol as antifreeze, because when the bubbles freeze
inside the outside layer of poly film, they break, and the R-value goes
down and their friction against passing bubbles goes up, and he didn't want
water frozen in pipes either. Can we make frozen bubbles that don't break?

Yes. That's been done, often, in public at the San Francisco Exploratorium
by Dr. Ilan Chabay, called "one of the world's foremost authorities on
frozen bubbles," in John Cassidy's _Unbelievable Bubble Book_ for children
(Klutz Press, 1987.) Has Dr. Wells ever talked with Dr. Chabray or Dr. Grosse?
I don't think any physicist would call bubbles trivial physics. Child's play
maybe, but not trivial :-) We need more child-like physicists.

There is at lot of work to do in this alt.energy field, and a lot of it,
like preventing leaks or finding the right soapy solution is not that
technically difficult. There isn't a lot of funding, but there's a lot of
work to do, a lot of opportunity for serious backyard builders and high
school science fair students to do interesting things that may later become
good, cost-effective, reliable, simple socially-useful techniques and
products, given some common sense and education and patience and a lack
of greed and shortsightedness.

Some things need to be tested and developed a lot, others are no-brainers,
if we start thinking from scratch. Not everyone wants to live in an
experimental bubblewall house, but lots of people like sunspaces. There's
a huge gap between commercial plastic film greenhouses costing for 50 cents
per square foot and residential sunspaces costing $50-150 per square foot.
Who will fill it?  NREL?  No...

There's another gap between serious scientists who say all this is trivial
well-understood physics, while they collect their salaries working on more
and more exotic research, and alt.energy.renewable experts who say it won't
work, it's been tried before, Trombe walls are the cat's pajamas, etc, etc.
Bullshit!

>I would have to say that distributing the energy evenly to where it is
>desired is yet the most important half.  Many houses have been built
>where some rooms overheated while others grew cold.  Distributing the
>heat to zones at specific times during the day is an interesting challenge.

Sure, that's important, but let's collect the heat to begin with, Will, and
then worry about that problem. Or wear a sweater in one room and take it off
in another. That's HVAC. Air pushers, ducts and fans and blowers and zone
controls, to move warm air out of our sunspace or solar closet around the
house. Not too hard in a new house, and harder in a retrofit, unless we can
mix the warm air into a big room or dump it into a return grate somewhere,
somehow. That's a lot better understood than solar heating. Straightforward
everyday cranking, for someone who knows how to do it.

Nick

It's a snap to save energy in this country. As soon as more people become
involved in the basic math of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as
intellectual, grasp on how a house works, solution after solution will appear.

					  Tom Smith


From David.Zimmerman@Chrysalis.org Thu May 23 13:39:45 EDT 1996
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From: DAVID.ZIMMERMAN@CHRYSALIS.ORG (DAVID ZIMMERMAN)
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Can anyone supply information on the Perma-Stone company that applied
sideing that looked like stone?

Thanks

David



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A GPS unit from Trimble Inc. can give you this informaton. This is a unit
designed for the military but sold to the civilian market. One of its
functions is to give you the direction and height of the sun during
anytime of the year at any location you put in. It is very handy. It also
does this for the moon since a lot of military operations are at night.
Hope this helps and if you need a address dorp a line.
Pierre A. Lonewolf
Lonewolf Communications
KOTZ-AM
Kotzebue, Alaska 99752


From barr@euclid.colorado.edu Thu May 23 13:39:46 EDT 1996
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From: barr@euclid.colorado.edu (barr)
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Not to dampen your enthusiasm for earth covered roofs, but have you considered
the cost of re-roofing? You have to remove all that dirt, a hard laborious task.
The additional costs are not trivial. Membrane roofing (they type used on low
pitch roofs), if done right exceed shingles by a factor of 3. As you stated,
you also have to increase the load bearing capability of the roofing structure.
As a rough estimate, I would say the the cost would be a factor of 4 or 5, on
initial installation and possibly that for the life of the building. 
Not cost effective, but, of course, you will have an earth roof!

In article <olZv03m00iVGQCHnZ3@andrew.cmu.edu>,
Jason M. Roth <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>Malcolm Wells, modern "Father of Underground Building", has suggested a
>10% premium as a reasonable expectation for an earth shelter; the best
>proven waterproofing system (butyl sheets on deck, topped w/ rigid
>insulation, subsoil, and topsoil) is not out of line with traditional
>high-quality roofing, and the need to waterproof any bermed walls is
>nearly offset by the freedom from finishing that wall. In a smaller
>structure, ie, a house, 10% is even a bit high, as there is no need for
>outrageous structure to support vast spans; if none of your spans exceed
>12' or 16', you can get away with only mildly beefed-up structure (eg,
>2x10s 1' o.c. to span 12 -- that's a seat-of-the-pants guess, not a rule
>of thumb, but I think you get the idea).
>Of course, additional costs are more than offset by the return in long
>life for the building -- a well-detailed earth-covered roof should/could
>last literally centuries unmaintained. Or you could replace your asphalt
>shingles every 30 yrs. 
>
>JMR
>
>93 SL2, blue-green
>
>It's never too early to give up.
>
>"What's the use of a good house if you don't have a decent planet to put
>it on?."
>




From dean@direct.com Thu May 23 13:39:46 EDT 1996
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From: dean@direct.com (Jeff Dean)
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   We are a youth group who has purchased our plane tickets and will be
representing our project VillageQuest, an ecologically and economically
sustainable community proposed for the heart of Vancouver, Canada, at
Habitat II in Turkey.
   We have been selected among  ŒCanada¹s Youth Best Environmental Practices¹.
   We are looking to find international support for our prototype of an
urban living environment.  It integrates sustainability through
technology, harmony with the environment, and principles of natural
living.  
   VillageQuest has received extensive support and endorsement from the
business and architectural community in Vancouver, as well as the
municipal, provincial and federal levels of government in Canada.  
   Primarily designed and driven by youth, VillageQuest has been called
one of the most innovative and important projects to help sustain
ecological living in the next century.
   We are interested in contacting as many people as possible in
Istanbul.  We find that conferences often ignore the need for deep human
connection and we would like to create some kind of wholeness and
connection. If this project interests you please drop me a note and we
could perhaps know a little bit about each other before we reach Turkey.
 BTW, at the conference we will be uploading our experiences of the
conference onto a web site which is being promoted across Canada and
throughout the world.  If you have any interesting ideas we would love to
review them for our site.

More about our Village Quest at http://bc-education.botany.ubc.ca/VH/index.


From cebab@cix.compulink.co.uk Thu May 23 13:39:46 EDT 1996
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Please visit the WWW site of C E Ball & Partners, Chartered Quantity 
Surveyors and Construction Cost Managers. Active throughout the UK on 
major projects and with a keen interest in the cost management of M&E and 
vertical transportation installation as well as general construction 
works, high quality fitting out and retail shopfitting.

        http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/welcome.html/

The site include lots of construction and design related www links 
including our own related website pages for:

        HSL (Heathkirk Services Ltd) offering Planning Supervision 
        Services to Clients and other Design Professionals to comply 
        with the new UK Construction Design & Management 1994
        Regulations (CDM) which now apply (apart from residential and 
        minor works) to all design and construction carried out for 
        projects built within th UK. Read about our services by 
        visiting our site at:

                http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/heathkirk.html/

        CEB Projects Limited at: 

                http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/cebproj.html/

        and ..

        CITE (Construction Industry Trading Electronically) the Home 
        page for this UK initiative to provide a pragmatic approach to 
        the electronic transfer of Tender information in the form of 
        Bills of Quantity between the Client QS and the Contractor's 
        Estimator - and back.  Download a trial 'zip' file to see what 
        its all about. Visit CITE at:

                http://www.compulink.co.uk/~ceball/cite.html/


_____________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hudson BSc FRICS, C E Ball & Partners, London  
cebab@cix.compulink.co.uk
_____________________________________________________________________


From tvolk@worldaccess.com Thu May 23 13:39:47 EDT 1996
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nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes:

>William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>>I would recommend talking to a number of different energy consultants.

>Me too. I usually start by asking "Are you familiar with Ohm's law?"
>That filters out more than half of the "energy consultants" I've met,
>but asking this question is sometimes embarrassing all around...

>Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
>temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
>sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
>of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
>of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
>Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
>person who answers it correctly.

This brings me to another point (thus the change of topic title). When I
first started reading these groups I was rather taken aback by the high
R-values people mention. Here in Australia, they are generally in the
range R-1.5 to R-3 or 4 for (say) fibreglass insulation. The units are,
naturally, degC.m^2/W. I was surprised to find that American ones are
expressed in British Thermal Units (which I had thought went out with the 
ark), feet, and fahrenheit, but at least it explained the difference. So I
tried to work out a conversion factor. Can someone confirm it for me? i.e.

  Is it true that 1 watt = 3.412 BTU/hr?  If so, have I got it right that
  R-1 (International) degC.m^2/W = R-5.678 (US) degF.hr.ft^2/BTU?

Thanks,
David.

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From excelart@sover.net Thu May 23 13:39:48 EDT 1996
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From: Barbara Poeter Salls <excelart@sover.net>
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David Bezinque wrote:
> 
> Hi there !!!  My wife and I want to build an earth sheltered house.
> It will be made almost entirely of concrete block.  Depending on your
> area, concrete block may be called foundation block or cinder block or
> something else but I think most persons will know what I am refering
> to here.  The problem is, how do we finish the block once the house is
> built.  It can be painted but it is very porous and soaks up a LOT of
> paint.  Also, it doesn't look very good.  We are sure other have had
> this problem, hence the post.
> 
> Any suggestions will be SINCERLY appreciated.
> 
> _______________________________________________________________
> 
> David Bezinque   ><>
> 
> email BEZINQUE@pop3.cris.com
> 
> When I was in high school, I had a drivers education instructor that
> was also a football coach.  He mispronounced my last name every day
> for an entire year.
> 
> You learn as long as you live or else you stop living.
> 
>                                  =*=Perhaps a finish from a company called Sto Industries will do it. Contact 
them at PO Box 44609, Atlanta, Georgia. Tel. (404) 346-3666, Toll Free 
(800) 221-2397, Fax (404) 346-3119. A Sto finish must be applied by a 
certified Sto technician in order to be warrantied, I believe. I don't 
how durability vairies with climate. Good luck.


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Nick Pine wrote:
>
> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>
> >I would recommend talking to a number of different energy consultants.
>
> Me too. I usually start by asking "Are you familiar with Ohm's law?"
> That filters out more than half of the "energy consultants" I've met,
> but asking this question is sometimes embarrassing all around...

Because that is an electrical term, as opposed to a thermodynamic term.
Appropriate if you are talking to a PV consultant, but confusing otherwise.
You are simply trying to make other people translate your way of thinking as
an EE.  Why not speak in thermodynamic terms, like the rest of the industry?

> Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
> temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
> sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
> of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
> of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
> Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
> person who answers it correctly.

You don't give enough data in order to answer your question, and your question
is not clearly stated.  However, for the sake of fun, I'll make some assumptions.

Assumptions;

1. The water starts out at 36oF.

2. Thermal conduction is the only heat transfer mechanism, aside from the energy
provided by the sun.

3. There are no losses incurred by the R1 glazing on the 1000 Btu/ft^2/day.

4. There are no data points for how much energy is provided on an hour-by-hour
basis, so I will assume an even amount of sun over a 10 hour period.

 ===========================

Weight of water:
4x4x4 = 64ft^3 of water

64 x 62.4 lb/ft^3 =  3993.6 lbs of water

Let's just call it 4000 lbs.

---------------------------

Thermal resistance of cube:
4x4 = 16 ft^2/side  value of R1 area

16x5 = 80 ft^2 of R20 surface

R1 total = 1/16 = 0.0625

R20 total  = 1/4 = 0.25

R total = 0.0625 x 0.25/(0.0625 + 0.25) = 0.05

U = 1/0.05 =20 Btu/hr-oF

--------------------------------

Thermal energy input

1000 Btus/day-ft^2 * 16 ft^2 / 10 hrs/day input
 = 1600 Btus/hr while the sun is shining.

------------------------------

The water in the cube would rise to a steady state temperature of
36 +80 = 116 oF if the energy input were continuous.
When shaded, the water in the cube would fall over time to 36oF.

A complete answer with specific times would require calculus, if specific
times was what you were looking for.  Approximations could be made, but
the answer would not be 'correct'.  Let's just approximate the time it takes
the water to rise 1 oF without considering the negligible loss through the
cube walls.

4000 lbs of water would require 2.5 hours of 1600 btu/hr energy input, again
without considering the loss through the cube walls.


Now, if you;
  -moved the water inside to the interior sunspace of a 68oF house,

  -made the glazing 7'x10 (4 in the entire house on the south side)

  -used a flatter 4"x4'x10' water wall (4 in the entire house), 4" away
   from the glazing inside the house,

  -used an R4 glazing when the sun was shining,
   and an extra R8 window cover when the sun wasn't shining,

then you would have a direct, passive solar design that retained
the sun's heat energy in the building interior and released it
slowly into the interior at night

Care to try the math?

assume another 60 ft^2 of window at R4 during the day, adding
   another R8 at the other 14 hours.
Assume R24 walls and R38 ceiling.
Assume a two story, 24'x 48' floorspace house with 8' ceilings.
Assume an outside temperature of 36 oF
Assume 0.25 air changes per hour (optional).
Assume 100 Btu/hr/ft^2 insolation over 10 hours every day.
Make an assumption about the thermal storage of the rest of the interior
  items/material.

> >I would have to say that distributing the energy evenly to where it is
> >desired is yet the most important half.  Many houses have been built
> >where some rooms overheated while others grew cold.  Distributing the
> >heat to zones at specific times during the day is an interesting challenge.

> Sure, that's important, but let's collect the heat to begin with, Will, and
> then worry about that problem. Or wear a sweater in one room and take it off
> in another.

I try to look at the whole picture.  A solar closet might gather the energy,
but distributing it is another matter altogether.

>That's HVAC. Air pushers, ducts and fans and blowers and zone
> controls, to move warm air out of our sunspace or solar closet around the
> house.

You now no longer have a passive system, but now require temperature
regulation, ducting, electrical loads, etc.

Some people prefer the passive method, and it is not your perogative
to tell them that they are wrong in preferring that.

> Not too hard in a new house, and harder in a retrofit, unless we can
> mix the warm air into a big room or dump it into a return grate somewhere,
> somehow. That's a lot better understood than solar heating. Straightforward
> everyday cranking, for someone who knows how to do it.

I can't wait until you have to balance your first air-handling system.  Keep
at it!

Cheers,

Will Stewart


From ashley@easynet.co.uk Thu May 23 13:39:48 EDT 1996
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I am a designer and I am intending to design a house for myself which 
will be energy efficient and sunken into the ground/hill.

I am looking for information; books or articles etc on the subject. I 
would also like to hear from anyone who has built a house underground.

Many thanks

ash




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I am a designer and I am intending to design a house for myself which 
will be energy efficient and sunken into the ground/hill.

I am looking for information; books or articles etc on the subject. I 
would also like to hear from anyone who has built a house underground.

Many thanks

ash




From ashley@easynet.co.uk Thu May 23 13:39:49 EDT 1996
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I am a designer and I am intending to design a house for myself which 
will be energy efficient and sunken into the ground/hill.

I am looking for information; books or articles etc on the subject. I 
would also like to hear from anyone who has built a house underground.

Many thanks

ash




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David Hoadley <s840157@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU> wrote:
>nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes:

  Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
  temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
  sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
  of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
  of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
  Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
  person who answers it correctly.

Still no numerical answers, 16 hours after this posting. Perhaps $10 is
insufficient bait to catch an energy consultant, or they are out of season? 

Or perhaps it should be rephrased in international units:
 
Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
temperature be inside a 1 m cube full of water surrounded by 5 R5 foam walls,
sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
of 2 C and the sun puts 3 kWh/m^2 per day of heat into the R0.175 glazed side
of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
person who answers it correctly.

>This brings me to another point (thus the change of topic title). When I
>first started reading these groups I was rather taken aback by the high
>R-values people mention. Here in Australia, they are generally in the
>range R-1.5 to R-3 or 4 for (say) fibreglass insulation.

R30 house walls are pretty good walls in the US. Perhaps a good new
Australian or French or British house has R5 walls, made with
straw bales and mortar, 40 cm thick? A 1 bale wall?

>The units are, naturally, degC.m^2/W.

Of course Mother Nature thinks in meters and C, not feet and F :-) The
natural thing about a Btu (the amount of energy in a kitchen match) is that
it takes eggsactly 1 to raise 1 pound of water or 55 ft^3 of air 1 degree F.
It takes about 100 Btus to make a cup of coffee. Chickens make about
5 Btu/hr/lb of sensible heat. A typical 5.41 lb bunny makes 40. 1 cfm of
air flowing with a temperature difference of 1 F moves about 1 Btu/hour,
a single pane window is about R1, and 2 layers are R2. A pound of water
takes 144 (1 gross) Btus to freeze at 32 F, which is close to the average
air temperature in December where I live, and it takes about 1000 Btu to
boil away a pound of water at 212 F. A south wall in December receives
about 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of sun where I live, 300 Btu/hour/ft^2 peak. The
thermal conductance of an airfilm with air moving at V mph is about
2 + V/2 Btu/hr-ft^2-F for rough surfaces. A black body at T degrees F
radiates 0.174x 10^-8(460+T)^4 Btu/hr-ft^2. US hardware stores sell rolls
of 6" fiberglass insulation stamped R19 in big letters (R10 with 2%
moisture, R0 in a good wind) for 25 cents/ft^2, and R10 foamboard 2"
thick costs about 50 cents/ft^2.   

What is natural in metric? Water freezes at 0 C and boils at 100 C, and
it takes about 1 kWh to heat 1 m^3 of water or 3,000 m^3 of air 1 C. A cup
of coffee takes about 30 Watt-hours. People make about 100 Watts, rabbits
5 W/kg. 1 m^3/sec of air flowing with a temperature difference of 1 C
moves about 1 kW of heat. It's a little harder to remember that 1 layer
of glass with an airspace has metric R0.175, and 2 layers have R0.35.
It takes about 100 kWh to freeze a cubic meter of water and 663 kWh to
evaporate one. The ratio of evaporative to convective power loss at a
wet surface with temperature Tp in Ta air is about (Tp-Ta)/(Pwp-Pa)/2,
independent of windspeed, where Pwp and Pa are vapor pressures in mm Hg.
A south facing wall in December receives about 3 kWh/m^2/day of sun where
I live, with a peak of 1 kW/m^2, and the thermal conductance of an airfilm 
with air moving at V m/s is about 10 + 2V W/m^2-C for rough surfaces, eg 
100 W/m^2 in a 5 m/s wind for a 25 C surface on a 20 C night. How much
more if the surface is wet, and the air has 50% RH? How much more if the
sky is clear? Do French hardware stores sell R2 foamboard 5 cm thick for
about about 30 FF/m^2? Why does the Lord permit such Suffering on Earth,
if He is Omnipotent?

>I was surprised to find that American ones are expressed in British Thermal
>Units (which I had thought went out with the ark)...

Now that Britain and Australia use Watts and meters, we are thinking of
calling these American thermal units, or perhaps Bunny thermal units.

>So I tried to work out a conversion factor. Can someone confirm it for me? 
>
>  Is it true that 1 watt = 3.412 BTU/hr?  If so, have I got it right that
>  R-1 (International) degC.m^2/W = R-5.678 (US) degF.hr.ft^2/BTU?

I think so.

Or would those be degrees K, in that particular alphabetical procession? 

Nick

   When we play tennis or walk downstairs we are actually solving whole
   pages of differential equations, quickly, easily and without thinking
   about it, using the analogue computer which we keep in our minds. What
   we find difficult about mathematics is the formal, symbolic presentation
   of the subject by pedagogues with a taste for dogma, sadism and
   incomprehensible squiggles.

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William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>Nick Pine wrote:
>> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>>
>> ...I usually start by asking "Are you familiar with Ohm's law?"
>> That filters out more than half of the "energy consultants" I've met,
>> but asking this question is sometimes embarrassing all around...
>
>Because that is an electrical term, as opposed to a thermodynamic term.  

Many people learn Ohm's law in high school, Will...
I think an energy expert should be familiar with Ohm's law.
To far too many people these days, "energy" = "electrical energy."

>Appropriate if you are talking to a PV consultant, but confusing otherwise.  

Yes, Ohm's law is confusing to certain "energy consultants" :-) 

>You are simply trying to make other people translate your way of thinking as 
>an EE.  Why not speak in thermodynamic terms, like the rest of the industry?

Perhaps we should ask 'em about enthalpy? :-)

>>Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
>>temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
>>sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
>>of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
>>of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
>>Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
>>person who answers it correctly.
>
>You don't give enough data in order to answer your question, and your question
>is not clearly stated.

I think there is too much data above, and the question is reasonably clear. 

>However, for the sake of fun, I'll make some assumptions.

Good :-) This is the first numerical answer I've seen...

>Assumptions;
>1. The water starts out at 36oF.
>2. Thermal conduction is the only heat transfer mechanism, aside from
>the energy provided by the sun.

Good. Although R-values include convection and radiation.

>3. There are no losses incurred by the R1 glazing on the 1000 Btu/ft^2/day.

The glazing is perfectly transparent? Fine.

>4. There are no data points for how much energy is provided on an hour-by-hour
>basis, so I will assume an even amount of sun over a 10 hour period.

OK. (I don't think that matters here, but...)

>Weight of water:

>Let's just call it 4000 lbs.

OK. 
 
>Thermal resistance of cube:

>4x4 = 16 ft^2/side  value of R1 area
>16x5 = 80 ft^2 of R20 surface
>R1 total = 1/16 = 0.0625
>R20 total  = 1/4 = 0.25
>R total = 0.0625 x 0.25/(0.0625 + 0.25) = 0.05
>U = 1/0.05 =20 Btu/hr-oF

Excellent! 

>Thermal energy input
>
>1000 Btus/day-ft^2 * 16 ft^2 / 10 hrs/day input 
> = 1600 Btus/hr while the sun is shining.

Um, OK...

>The water in the cube would rise to a steady state temperature of 
>36 +80 = 116 oF if the energy input were continuous.

Perhaps, but recall the problem:

>>the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side of the box.

>>And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?

>When shaded, the water in the cube would fall over time to 36oF.

Well, yes...

>A complete answer with specific times would require calculus, if specific 
>times was what you were looking for.

Yes, that was what I was looking for. More than the obvious... Finding the
form of the answer requires calculus, but Newton did that once, a long long
time ago. Finding the answer just requires plugging some numbers into a
simple formula, if you know the formula.

>Approximations could be made, but the answer would not be 'correct'. 

Approximations using arithmetic would be fine... That's easy to do.

>Let's just approximate the time it takes the water to rise 1 oF without
>considering the negligible loss through the cube walls.

OK (?)

>4000 lbs of water would require 2.5 hours of 1600 btu/hr energy input, again
>without considering the loss through the cube walls.

True, but why are you talking about heating rather than cooling?  

		    *     *     *

Sorry. No $10. Would you like to try again?

                    *     *     *

At this point, Mr Stewart changes the subject:

>Now, if you;
>  -moved the water inside to the interior sunspace of a 68oF house, 
>  -made the glazing 7'x10 (4 in the entire house on the south side)

    ie 280 ft^2 of south glazing?

>  -used a flatter 4"x4'x10' water wall (4 in the entire house), 4" away 
>   from the glazing inside the house, 

    ie about 400 pounds of water? 4" away from the glazing? Transparent
    water? Hmmm :-) I guess you won't be able to see very clearly out of
    those windows, but they will let in some light...
 
>  -used an R4 glazing when the sun was shining, 

With how much solar transmittance, at what cost, and what happens when the
argon leaks out? Some of these $40/ft^2 high-R windows have low solar
transmittance, on the order of 50%. Hmmm, 280 ft^2 x $40/ft^2 = $11,200.

>   and an extra R8 window cover when the sun wasn't shining, 

How would you do that? Movable insulation, at $10/ft^2, installed? Will you
move it twice a day religiously? Will it leak any air around the edges?

>then you would have a direct, passive solar design that retained the sun's
>heat energy in the building interior and released it slowly into the
>interior at night

Right. Another "direct loss" house :-)

>Care to try the math?

Sure. I like this arithmetic. Let me get a cup of coffee... Now I'm back,
200 Btu later. I've had this espresso machine for about 3 months now. I
guess if some people like me find it fun to wiggle the valves on an espresso
machine with all the steam and noise and watch the milk temp rise with a
thermometer twice a day, others might find it fun to move window insulation
all over a house twice a day, for three months... Or, maybe you only move
the window insulation on a cloudy winter day--but no, you want to do it at
night too... or you might leave some windows covered all winter, like Pat
Hennin or Malcolm Wells, in semi-hibernation, huddled in cold dark rooms. 

>assume another 60 ft^2 of window at R4 during the day, adding 
>   another R8 at the other 14 hours.

OK. That's a long winter day...

>Assume R24 walls and R38 ceiling.  

OK. Let's assume that includes the 2x6's, etc, that act as thermal shunts,
ie the equivalent thermal resistance of the entire wall is R24. This is not
just a wall with layers of insulation with R-values that add up to R24
(which might have a much lower R-value), and the insulation is installed
properly with no gaps, etc. Are you sure about all that?

>Assume a two story, 24'x 48' floorspace house with 8' ceilings.

OK. I guess you mean the footprint on the ground is 24 x 48?
So the house volume is 24 x 48 x 16 = 18432 ft^3.

>Assume an outside temperature of 36 oF

OK. (The average will be warmer during daylight, which is good.)

>Assume 0.25 air changes per hour (optional).

OK. That's 0.25 x 18432 ft^3/hr = 4608 ft^3/hr or 77 cfm :-) I'll assume
(I almost said "guess") this is leakage thru walls, etc, without an air-air
heat exchanger... Will the finished house have a blower door testing spec?

May we also assume you use a frugal 500 kWh/month of electricity, ie an
average of about 700 Watts? (Steve Baer only uses 80 kWh/mo :-) This is
equivalent to 700 x 3.41 = 2387 Btu/hr. Let's add the heat from two
300 Btu/hr people inside the house for 16 hours a day, and one 150 Btu/hr
dog and a 50 Btu/hour cat, full-time. Total internal energy generation:
2387(24)+600(16)+200(24) = 72K/day.

>Assume 100 Btu/hr/ft^2 insolation over 10 hours every day.

OK.

>Make an assumption about the thermal storage of the rest of the interior
>items/material.

How about 1 lb of water/ft^2 of walls and ceiling? (1/2" drywall has the 
equivalent of 1/2 lb of water/ft^2, so you may need some concrete furniture..)
I'll make some other assumptions, too.

I guess we'd want to know the thermal resistance of this house for starters.
So let's add up the thermal conductances U = Sum(Ai/Ri) and find
the reciprocal 1/U... 

We have 340 ft^2 of windows, R4 during a 10 hour day (Uday = 340/4 = 85)
and R8 during a 14 hour night (Unight = 340/8 = 43), with an average daily
Uwindow = (10xUday+14xUnight)/24 = 60.

Uwalls = (2(24+48)x16-340)/R24 = 82, and Uceiling = 24x48/R38 = 30.

And Uinf = 77 Btu/hr-F.

So U = 60+30+77 = 167 Btu/hr-F and R = 0.006, over 24 hours.

At night the U value would be lower, after you devotedly travel around
the house and painstakingly put up your night insulation on every window,
making sure the edges are ever so carefully sealed, akin to some little
twice-daily religious experience... Unight = 43+30+77 = 150 Btu/hr-F.

What will the steady state energy flow be for this house after a long
string of average December days, with an average amount of sun?

The energy Ein that flows into this house in a day might be 

  280 ft^2 windows x 50% transmission x 1000 Btu/ft^2/day = 140K 
                            +  internal energy generation =  72K
	                                        total Ein = 212K.

And the energy Eout that flows out of the house might be 

  24 hours x (68-36) x 167 = 128 K Btu/day.

So, after a long string of perfectly average December days, Ein-Eout
= 84K Btu/day, if you keep the house at an average of 68 F during the
day... This might make a fine New Mexico house.

If you let the house temperature float over this time, you might have
an average house temp T such that 24 (T-36) 167 = 212K, or T = 89 F.
Colder at night, warmer during the day. Very toasty.

Now, thermal mass: the house has about 3500 ft^2 of walls and ceilings with
a thermal mass equivalent to 3,500 pounds of water and another 400 pounds
of actual water. Let's call this 4,000 Btu/hr-F. So if you make the temp of
the house, say, 80 F at dusk, at the end of an average day, with some sun,
after a long string of December days, each with 1000 Btu/ft^2/day of sun,
during the night the house will lose approximately 14 hours (80-36) 150 =
100K Btu, which might come from the 4,000 Btu/F of thermal mass cooling plus
14/24 hours x 72K = 42K of internal energy generation, ie the temperature of
the house might drop to 80 - (100K-42K)/4K = 65 F at dawn. 

So yes, this 56%-electrically-heated house with all of the movable window
insulation looks marginally comfortable after a long string of average winter 
December days, each with an average amount of sun. But what do you do if the
next day is cloudy, or the day after that, or during a cloudy week in January,
when the temperature outside is -10 F? You will have to use backup heat...
Or, gasp, wear a sweater. With no sun and no backup heat, and with all the
windows boarded up on the inside, 24 hours a day, just using the internal
electrical energy consumption (and the people and livestock) after a day or
so, Ein = 72K Btu/day and Eout = 24(T-36) 150 ==> T = 56 F inside. Not bad.
Quite warm by Inuit standards. More dogs and cats would help.

How much backup heat will you need in an average year? One way to answer 
that question is to go find some TMY2 data somewhere on the web (references,
please :-) for a Typical Meteorological Year for this house location, and do
a very simple simulation using that data and formulas like the ones above.
Another is to do the same thing in more of a worst-case manner, ie more
reliably using hourly data for the last 30 years from an NREL/NOAA CD-ROM.
Then one might change the design until it is a "solar house," in the sense
that it would not have needed any other form of heat over the last 30 years,
according to the simulation, at which point, many people would opt to
eliminate the backup heating system, saving some space and money...

Here's an alternative design to try out in that simulation:

Eliminate half the south windows and all the movable window insulation, to
eliminate the daily labor and lower the price by $10K or so and lower the
overall U value to about 140 Btu/hr-F, and make a little more privacy if that
matters, and add on a 2-story, $5000, 16' wide x 8' deep lean-to sunspace
with an 10' tall x 13' long x 5' deep solar closet containing 36 55 gallon
drums, inside the sunspace, south of the house and adjoining the house wall.
Each square foot of sunspace would supply about 1000 Btu - 6hr (80-36)/R1
= 700 Btu/day of heat for the house, ie about 180K of heat, vs the 120K-72K
= 48K/day the improved house would require on an average day, via a $200
motorized damper at the top of the sunspace that uses 2 Watts of electrical
energy when moving (rarely) and 0 watts (mostly) in a fixed position to let
warm air flow into the house as needed, controlled by two thermostats. 

The solar closet would contain about 18,000 Btu/F of thermal mass, vs.
4,000 Btu/F, to keep the house at whatever temperature _you_ wanted,
independent of weather, overnight, or on a cloudy day. Assuming the water
starts out at 130 F after a long string of December days, with some sun,
the solar closet would store about 25K Btu of heat in each drum, enough
to keep the house at 68 F for about 25Kx36/48K = 19 days without any sun 
at 36 F, or 3.3 days without any sun at -10 F. We might improve that by
making the solar closet bigger. 

After 3 or 4 days without sun at -10 F, with all the windows boarded up on
the inside, and no backup heat, how can we estimate the temperature T inside
the house we started with, before the improvements? 

24(T-(-10))150 = 72K, so T = -10 + 72K/(24x150) = -10 + 20 = 10 F.

It might take longer than 3 or 4 days to get to that temp, since the pipes
and water walls would release about 400,000 Btu while freezing at 32 F, as
the house temperature plunged. On the other hand, the people might move out
sooner, depriving the house of their heat...

Were you planning to have hot water in this house? How were you planning
to do that? You might put a water heater on the second floor with some
Big Fins in the sunspace or 10-20' of fin-tube pipe near the ceiling of the
solar closet (less expensive), with a warm water thermosyphon loop through
the water heater, to supply a frugal hot water house load of 50K Btu/day...

About heat distribution...
    
>> ...wear a sweater in one room and take it off in another? 
>
>I try to look at the whole picture.  A solar closet might gather the energy,
>but distributing it is another matter altogether.
>
>>That's HVAC. Air pushers, ducts and fans and blowers and zone controls,
>>to move warm air out of our sunspace or solar closet around the house. 
>
>You now no longer have a passive system, but now require temperature
>regulation, ducting, electrical loads, etc.

One might compare this to an oil fired hot air furnace that uses 800 watts
of electrical power when running, while consuming 38 kW (1 gph) of oil power
and delivering 35 kW to the house. That's a fossil COP of 44. Some old and
inefficient and expensive active solar systems have renewable COPs of 50.
For instance, CSI's air/rockbed system in New Hampshire, built in 1982, uses
"2% fan power, 98% solar power." A better way to compare heating systems
might be their yearly heating bills, including the electrical power to run
the heating system. I think one can build a solar house that consumes no more
than 50 watts average, for the heating system, with no backup heating fuel,
and no backup heating system.

A 560 cfm fan ("References please"--Dayton fan 4C688, page 2964, Grainger
catalog 386, 1650 rpm, 10" diameter, max temp rating 149F, $60.75) moving air
>from  a solar closet into a house with 0.05" static pressure (as measured in
our experimental structure) can move about 5600 Btu/hr into this house with a
temp difference of 10 F, ie 134K Btu/day, while dissipating at most 36 Watts
of electrical power. 

>Some people prefer the passive method, and it is not your perogative
>to tell them that they are wrong in preferring that.

Oh sure it is, and it seems kind to tell people, if their passive houses are
such miserable and expensive performers. And as Newton Ellison and others
say, this passive/active dichotomy isn't very useful. I'd say what matters
more these days is money, comfort, reliability, cost and maintenance.

Sailboats are passive devices using powerful natural forces and often smart
low-power controls. Their captains care a lot about cost and performance... 

Would you hang an outboard motor on your America's Cup boat?

Nick



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Nick Pine wrote:
> 
> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
> >Nick Pine wrote:
>
> >>Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
> >>temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
> >>sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
> >>of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
> >>of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
> >>Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
> >>person who answers it correctly.

> >You don't give enough data in order to answer your question, and your question
> >is not clearly stated.\
> >The water in the cube would rise to a steady state temperature of
> >36 +80 = 116 oF if the energy input were continuous.
> 
> Perhaps, but recall the problem:
> 
> >>the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side of the box. 
> >>And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
> >When shaded, the water in the cube would fall over time to 36oF.

I showed how it would change over time.  You owe me ten bucks, Nick :-)

> >A complete answer with specific times would require calculus, if specific
> >times was what you were looking for.

Otherwise, simple arithmetic would give the wrong answer, as this is obviously
not a linear relationship.

> Yes, that was what I was looking for. More than the obvious... Finding the
> form of the answer requires calculus, but Newton did that once, a long long
> time ago. Finding the answer just requires plugging some numbers into a
> simple formula, if you know the formula.

Present the formula and we will see if it produces the correct answer, or even
 a very close answer.
 
> >4000 lbs of water would require 2.5 hours of 1600 btu/hr energy input, again
> >without considering the loss through the cube walls.

So here is an answer with a specific time; what's your beef?
 
> True, but why are you talking about heating rather than cooling?

Because you asked for it!!!

> Sorry. No $10. Would you like to try again?

Welcher!

>                     *     *     *
> 
> At this point, Mr Stewart changes the subject:
> 
> >Now, if you;
> >  -moved the water inside to the interior sunspace of a 68oF house,
> >  -made the glazing 7'x10 (4 in the entire house on the south side)
> 
>     ie 280 ft^2 of south glazing?
> 
> >  -used a flatter 4"x4'x10' water wall (4 in the entire house), 4" away
> >   from the glazing inside the house,
> 
>     ie about 400 pounds of water? 4" away from the glazing? Transparent
>     water? Hmmm :-) I guess you won't be able to see very clearly out of
>     those windows, but they will let in some light...
> 
> >  -used an R4 glazing when the sun was shining,
> 
> With how much solar transmittance, at what cost, and what happens when the
> argon leaks out?Some of these $40/ft^2 high-R windows have low solar
> transmittance, on the order of 50%. Hmmm, 280 ft^2 x $40/ft^2 = $11,200.

You must be thinking of R8 windows; Where do you get your figures?
I'm not going with low-E due to insolation losses.

> >   and an extra R8 window cover when the sun wasn't shining,
> 
> How would you do that? Movable insulation, at $10/ft^2, installed? 

Again, where do you get your prices?

>Will you move it twice a day religiously? 

Just like you close your windows when it gets to cool at night.

>Will it leak any air around the edges?

Probably, but certainly much less than an outdoor thin film sunspace.
 
> >then you would have a direct, passive solar design that retained the sun's
> >heat energy in the building interior and released it slowly into the
> >interior at night
> 
> Right. Another "direct loss" house :-)

Er, do you have a house that does not lose heat when it is cold outside?

> >Care to try the math?
> 
> Sure. I like this arithmetic. Let me get a cup of coffee... Now I'm back,
> 200 Btu later. I've had this espresso machine for about 3 months now. I
> guess if some people like me find it fun to wiggle the valves on an espresso
> machine with all the steam and noise and watch the milk temp rise with a
> thermometer twice a day, others might find it fun to move window insulation
> all over a house twice a day, for three months... Or, maybe you only move
> the window insulation on a cloudy winter day--but no, you want to do it at
> night too... or you might leave some windows covered all winter, like Pat
> Hennin or Malcolm Wells, in semi-hibernation, huddled in cold dark rooms.
> 
> >assume another 60 ft^2 of window at R4 during the day, adding
> >   another R8 at the other 14 hours.
> 
> OK. That's a long winter day...

You forgot to add R8, you only added R4
 
> >Assume R24 walls and R38 ceiling.
> 
> OK. Let's assume that includes the 2x6's, etc, that act as thermal shunts,
> ie the equivalent thermal resistance of the entire wall is R24. This is not
> just a wall with layers of insulation with R-values that add up to R24
> (which might have a much lower R-value), and the insulation is installed
> properly with no gaps, etc. Are you sure about all that?

Another inch of polyisocyanurate, and various other siding and finishing
materials.
 
> >Assume a two story, 24'x 48' floorspace house with 8' ceilings.
> 
> OK. I guess you mean the footprint on the ground is 24 x 48?

Right.

> So the house volume is 24 x 48 x 16 = 18432 ft^3. 
> >Assume an outside temperature of 36 oF
> 
> OK. (The average will be warmer during daylight, which is good.)
> 
> >Assume 0.25 air changes per hour (optional).
> 
> OK. That's 0.25 x 18432 ft^3/hr = 4608 ft^3/hr or 77 cfm :-) I'll assume
> (I almost said "guess") this is leakage thru walls, etc, without an air-air
> heat exchanger... Will the finished house have a blower door testing spec?

Yes, and the top limit will be 0.25 air changes; I expect alot less.
 
> May we also assume you use a frugal 500 kWh/month of electricity, ie an
> average of about 700 Watts? 

Why does this matter?  I will be using a 2kW photovoltaic system.

> (Steve Baer only uses 80 kWh/mo :-) 

How much do you use, coffee and all?

> This is
> equivalent to 700 x 3.41 = 2387 Btu/hr. Let's add the heat from two
> 300 Btu/hr people inside the house for 16 hours a day, and one 150 Btu/hr
> dog and a 50 Btu/hour cat, full-time. Total internal energy generation:
> 2387(24)+600(16)+200(24) = 72K/day.
> 
> >Assume 100 Btu/hr/ft^2 insolation over 10 hours every day.
> 
> OK.
> 
> >Make an assumption about the thermal storage of the rest of the interior
> >items/material.
> 
> How about 1 lb of water/ft^2 of walls and ceiling? (1/2" drywall has the
> equivalent of 1/2 lb of water/ft^2, so you may need some concrete furniture..)
> I'll make some other assumptions, too.

OK

> I guess we'd want to know the thermal resistance of this house for starters.
> So let's add up the thermal conductances U = Sum(Ai/Ri) and find
> the reciprocal 1/U...
> 
> We have 340 ft^2 of windows, 

4 sets of 10' x 7' windows = 2800 ft^2

>R4 during a 10 hour day (Uday = 340/4 = 85)
> and R8 during a 14 hour night 

R12 at night; R4 + R8

(Unight = 340/8 = 43), with an average daily
> Uwindow = (10xUday+14xUnight)/24 = 60.
> 
> Uwalls = (2(24+48)x16-340)/R24 = 82, and Uceiling = 24x48/R38 = 30.
> 
> And Uinf = 77 Btu/hr-F.
> 
> So U = 60+30+77 = 167 Btu/hr-F and R = 0.006, over 24 hours.

These numbers have to be revisited.

> At night the U value would be lower, after you devotedly travel around
> the house and painstakingly put up your night insulation on every window,
> making sure the edges are ever so carefully sealed, akin to some little
> twice-daily religious experience... Unight = 43+30+77 = 150 Btu/hr-F.
> 
> What will the steady state energy flow be for this house after a long
> string of average December days, with an average amount of sun?
> 
> The energy Ein that flows into this house in a day might be
> 
>   280 ft^2 windows

That should be 2800 ft^2

 x 50% transmission

Try 75%

 x 1000 Btu/ft^2/day = 140K
>                             +  internal energy generation =  72K
>                                                 total Ein = 212K. 
> And the energy Eout that flows out of the house might be
> 
>   24 hours x (68-36) x 167 = 128 K Btu/day.

Of course, these numbers must be revisited as well.
 
> Now, thermal mass: the house has about 3500 ft^2 of walls and ceilings with
> a thermal mass equivalent to 3,500 pounds of water and another 400 pounds
> of actual water.

10' x 4' x 4" is ~13 ft^3.  Water is 62.4 lbs/ft^3.  There are
four water walls.

The water will weigh close to 3250 lbs.

> Let's call this 4,000 Btu/hr-F. 

You need to revisit this number as well.

> So if you make the temp of
> the house, say, 80 F at dusk, at the end of an average day, with some sun,
> after a long string of December days, each with 1000 Btu/ft^2/day of sun,
> during the night the house will lose approximately 14 hours (80-36) 150 =
> 100K Btu, which might come from the 4,000 Btu/F of thermal mass cooling plus
> 14/24 hours x 72K = 42K of internal energy generation, ie the temperature of
> the house might drop to 80 - (100K-42K)/4K = 65 F at dawn.

You have so many corrections to make before you hit this paragraph that I am
reluctant to mention the ones within.

You have not yet tried to establish the temperature of the water in the
water walls.  Your assumption seems to be 1 oF, though there is no evidence
of how you tried to calculate this.

> How much backup heat will you need in an average year? 

My wife wants a fireplace, so I will likely go with a masonry firestove,
often referred to as a Finnish or Russian fireplace, with outside combustion
air.


> Were you planning to have hot water in this house? How were you planning
> to do that? 

Solar hot water, most likely active.


> A better way to compare heating systems
> might be their yearly heating bills, including the electrical power to run
> the heating system. 

The model I am planning on building (2250 ft^2) required $168 worth of heat for an entire
winter.  Reference "Solar Today", Sept/Oct 1995, article on manufactured house.

> >Some people prefer the passive method, and it is not your perogative
> >to tell them that they are wrong in preferring that.
> 
> Oh sure it is, and it seems kind to tell people, if their passive houses are
> such miserable and expensive performers.

Try the numbers again, then we'll talk.

Cheers,

Will Stewart


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nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:

>William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>>Nick Pine wrote:
>>> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...I usually start by asking "Are you familiar with Ohm's law?"
>>> That filters out more than half of the "energy consultants" I've met,
>>> but asking this question is sometimes embarrassing all around...
>>
>>Because that is an electrical term, as opposed to a thermodynamic term.  

OK I'll buy the idea that an energy consultant should be able to do
cookbook thermal transfer, it makes sense. What else should he know? 

Candidates:

Predictive cost ecom\nomics
Cost benefit analysis

Funding and programs

Available materails, equipment and sources

gas ducting
fluid piping
barrier design and construction details
building codes

etc etc.

Clearly no single person can have everything at his fingertips. Most
professions admit specialization (accounting, engineering and medicine
for example). Professionals, even when qualified, tend to limit their
activities to their areas of competence. Our family doctor in Sarnia
would do minor surgery in his office but sent us to specialists for
respiratory problems like asthma. The fellow we have here does the
oposite. 

One of my customers is an architect. He has designed a circulating
pump that runs off the system energy in a heating loop and controls
itself. He's also designed some interesting heat exchangers. Could he
validly call himself an energy consultant? I think so. Could he solve
the test problem? Probably not.

Another acquaintance designs power grids for industry. He is
definitely an energy consultant - all he does is show industry how to
move energy around. He doesn't need to know thermodynamics.

There's an energy consulting firm active here that works out cost
justification for cogeneration. They know where to get money and how,
what sorts of industry can use the waste heat, land management. . . .
There might not be a thermodynamically competent person in the place,
they can afford to hire someone like Stone & Webster when they want,
but they are definitely consultants in energy.

To define what an energy consultant is we would have to list
everything one might do and then decide what size of subset a person
would have to master to qualify. It is a dounting task.

All that being said, I can imagine many situations where the simple
test posted might sort the wheat from the chaff.

Peter Skelton



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In article <4neqce$e2r@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu> nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) writes:
> >  Is it true that 1 watt = 3.412 BTU/hr?  If so, have I got it right that
> >  R-1 (International) degC.m^2/W = R-5.678 (US) degF.hr.ft^2/BTU?
> 
> I think so.

% /usr/bin/units
you have: kelvin m2 / watt
you want: rankine hour ft2 / btu
        * 1.752557e+00

you have: m2 / watt
you want: hour ft2 / btu
        * 3.154603e+00

Either I'm wrong about Rankine being to Fahrenheit as Kelvin is to
Celsius, I'm misunderstanding units output, or you have used 9/5
where you should have used 5/9.


> Or would those be degrees K, in that particular alphabetical procession? 

For temperature _differences_, Kelvin is the same as degrees Centigrade.


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Peter Skelton <pgs@adan.kingston.net> wrote:
 
>OK I'll buy the idea that an energy consultant should be able to do
>cookbook thermal transfer, it makes sense. What else should he know? 

Interesting question...

>Candidates:
>
>Predictive cost economics
>Cost benefit analysis

Sure. Interest formulas, sinking funds, IRR, etc.

>Funding and programs

I guess so... Not my interest, but...

>Available materails, equipment and sources

Sure.

>gas ducting
>fluid piping

I guess so. Know a few details, and leave the rest to plumbers, etc?
("Please make the ducts bigger, so we can use less powerful blowers.")

>barrier design and construction details
>building codes
>etc etc.

Yes...

>Clearly no single person can have everything at his fingertips. Most
>professions admit specialization (accounting, engineering and medicine
>for example). Professionals, even when qualified, tend to limit their
>activities to their areas of competence. Our family doctor in Sarnia
>would do minor surgery in his office but sent us to specialists for
>respiratory problems like asthma. The fellow we have here does the oposite. 

Pediatricians can do brain surgery in my state, if they want to some
afternoon. And EE PEs can design bridges. It's legal... 

>One of my customers is an architect. He has designed a circulating
>pump that runs off the system energy in a heating loop and controls
>itself. He's also designed some interesting heat exchangers. Could he
>validly call himself an energy consultant? I think so.

So do I :-)

>Another acquaintance designs power grids for industry. He is
>definitely an energy consultant - all he does is show industry how to
>move energy around. He doesn't need to know thermodynamics.

I have a feeling he might be familiar with Ohm's law...

>There's an energy consulting firm active here that works out cost
>justification for cogeneration. They know where to get money and how,
>what sorts of industry can use the waste heat, land management. . . .
>There might not be a thermodynamically competent person in the place,
>they can afford to hire someone like Stone & Webster when they want,
>but they are definitely consultants in energy.

Yes, but... What we are talking about here is not "thermodynamics" in
my book. When somebody uses that term I think Carnot and Rankine and
Maxwell and Enthalpy and calculus with difficult integrals. For solar
house heating, I think Ohm and arithmetic. With a few old dusty formulae
>from  Newton. Newton's law of cooling, aka Ohm's law for heatflow. And
a single simple exponential formula, at best.

>To define what an energy consultant is we would have to list
>everything one might do and then decide what size of subset a person
>would have to master to qualify. It is a dounting task.

Somebody offers a credential like that... as a "certified energy manager"?
 
I guess one would want to know some legal and bureaucratic stuff too,
like OSHA. The US patent bar exam has a lot of questions like 

   If you appeal a decision related to a notice of infringement in the
   District Court, for the third time within 7 months, and another party
   or parties appeal to the assistant patent commissioner or his designated
   assistant by the third Tuesday in an even numbered month, how many days
   do you have to file an appeal to that action, and with whom?

>All that being said, I can imagine many situations where the simple
>test posted might sort the wheat from the chaff.

Me too.

Nick

Nicholson L. Pine                      System design and consulting
Pine Associates, Ltd.                                (610) 489-0545 
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Microprocessor hardware, memory, ASIC, and computer design. Telecommunication
system design. Computer simulation and modeling. High performance, low cost,
residential solar heating and cogeneration system design. BSEE, MSEE. Senior
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William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>Nick Pine wrote:
>> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>> >Nick Pine wrote:

>>Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
>>temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
>>sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
>>of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
>>of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
>>Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
>>person who answers it correctly.
 
By the way, I have only seen 3 numerical answers to this simple question
so far. Two people got part 1 correct, and one has almost solved part 2 using
simple arithmetic, but there's still a chance for the right person to earn
$10 in 2 minutes with a couple of back of the envelope calculations... This
might also be a rare opportunity for someone else to get paid to learn.

Paul Erdos used to do this sort of thing with much harder math problems.
He would offer a $100 prize for the solution to some long-standing research
problem, and some grad student who might already be interested in the problem
would get more interested and work for 3 months, day and night, and solve the
problem, and pocket the money, and publish a paper, and feel very happy, and
the science of mathematics would be advanced :-) Erdos offered different
rewards for different problems, depending on how difficult they were, from
$10 problems that took a few weeks to $1,000 problems that might take 10 years
to solve, or might take a lifetime...

>> >The water in the cube would rise to a steady state temperature of
>> >36 +80 = 116 oF if the energy input were continuous.
 
>> Perhaps, but recall the problem:
 
>>>>the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the glazed side of the box. 

>>>>And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?

>>>When shaded, the water in the cube would fall over time to 36oF.

>I showed how it would change over time.  You owe me ten bucks, Nick :-)

Nope. That answer is insufficient and superficial. I'm the judge.

>> >A complete answer with specific times would require calculus, if specific
>> >times was what you were looking for.

>Otherwise, simple arithmetic would give the wrong answer, as this is obviously
>not a linear relationship.

>> Yes, that was what I was looking for. More than the obvious... Finding the
>> form of the answer requires calculus, but Newton did that once, a long long
>> time ago. Finding the answer just requires plugging some numbers into a
>> simple formula, if you know the formula.

>Present the formula and we will see if it produces the correct answer, or even
>a very close answer.

Nice try :-) How will "we" know that? The formula IS most of the answer...
Or an approximate arithmetic equivalent...

>>>4000 lbs of water would require 2.5 hours of 1600 btu/hr energy input, again
>>>without considering the loss through the cube walls.
 
>So here is an answer with a specific time; what's your beef?

It has nothing to do with the problem.

>> At this point, Mr Stewart changes the subject:
 
>> >Now, if you;
>> >  -moved the water inside to the interior sunspace of a 68oF house,
>> >  -made the glazing 7'x10 (4 in the entire house on the south side)
>>     ie 280 ft^2 of south glazing?
>> >  -used a flatter 4"x4'x10' water wall (4 in the entire house), 4" away
>> >   from the glazing inside the house,
>>     ie about 400 pounds of water? 4" away from the glazing? Transparent
>>     water? Hmmm :-) I guess you won't be able to see very clearly out of
>>     those windows, but they will let in some light...
>> >  -used an R4 glazing when the sun was shining,
 
>> With how much solar transmittance, at what cost, and what happens when the
>> argon leaks out? Some of these $40/ft^2 high-R windows have low solar
>> transmittance, on the order of 50%. Hmmm, 280 ft^2 x $40/ft^2 = $11,200.

>You must be thinking of R8 windows; Where do you get your figures?

I don't remember. Anderson, Pella? Popular Science? Perhaps that's R8.
What brand of windows will you be using and how much do they cost?

>I'm not going with low-E due to insolation losses.

Good. I wonder what happened to your UV concerns.

>> >   and an extra R8 window cover when the sun wasn't shining,
 
>> How would you do that? Movable insulation, at $10/ft^2, installed? 

>Again, where do you get your prices?

The Shelter Institute. What will you pay? References, please.

>>Will you move it twice a day religiously? 

>Just like you close your windows when it gets to cool at night.

I hardly ever touch my windows. 

>>Will it leak any air around the edges?
 
>Probably, but certainly much less than an outdoor thin film sunspace.

I don't think so, if the sunspace is made from a continuous single piece of
plastic film, 16 x 20'. And sunspace leakiness only matters 6 hours a day.
  
>> >then you would have a direct, passive solar design that retained the sun's
>> >heat energy in the building interior and released it slowly into the
>> >interior at night
 
>> Right. Another "direct loss" house :-)

>Er, do you have a house that does not lose heat when it is cold outside?

No. But this is a numerical thing, and the less the better at night, and
direct gain houses leak lots of heat to the outdoors at night and during
a week without sun thru their low thermal resistance glazing between the
living area and the outdoors. 
 
>> >Care to try the math?
 
>> Sure. I like this arithmetic. Let me get a cup of coffee... Now I'm back,
>> 200 Btu later. I've had this espresso machine for about 3 months now. I
>> guess if some people like me find it fun to wiggle the valves on an espresso
>> machine with all the steam and noise and watch the milk temp rise with a
>> thermometer twice a day, others might find it fun to move window insulation
>> all over a house twice a day, for three months... Or, maybe you only move
>> the window insulation on a cloudy winter day--but no, you want to do it at
>> night too... or you might leave some windows covered all winter, like Pat
>> Hennin or Malcolm Wells, in semi-hibernation, huddled in cold dark rooms.
 
>> >assume another 60 ft^2 of window at R4 during the day, adding
>> >   another R8 at the other 14 hours.
 
>You forgot to add R8, you only added R4

Oops. Would you describe this R8 window insulation, Will? Who makes it,
how much the material costs, how much installation costs, what the materials
are, how it is operated, and how the edge air leaks affect the R8 rating?
 
>> >Assume 0.25 air changes per hour (optional).
 
>> OK. That's 0.25 x 18432 ft^3/hr = 4608 ft^3/hr or 77 cfm :-) I'll assume
>> (I almost said "guess") this is leakage thru walls, etc, without an air-air
>> heat exchanger... Will the finished house have a blower door testing spec?

>Yes, and the top limit will be 0.25 air changes; I expect alot less.

Will the house be pressure tested when finished and guaranteed to have
less than 5 ACH at 50 Pascals, consistent with natural air infiltration of
< 0.25 ACH, using the usual rule of dividing the pressure test spec by 20?
The best Avis homes informally tested by Penn State, as I recall from a
go-around with Kurt Smith, Lyle Rawlings and Marc Rosenbaum, came out at
2.9 ACH at 50 Pa.

>> May we also assume you use a frugal 500 kWh/month of electricity, ie an
>> average of about 700 Watts? 
 
>Why does this matter?  I will be using a 2kW photovoltaic system.

Marc points out that many superinsulated houses are more electrically heated
than solar heated. No, that doesn't matter much. Money matters, of course.
Eg the yearly backup heating bill, and the non-recurring cost.

>> (Steve Baer only uses 80 kWh/mo :-) 
 
>How much do you use, coffee and all?

About 600 kWh/month. Mostly for my refrigerator, electric water heater and PC.
I just bought a laptop, which should reduce this. 

>> I guess we'd want to know the thermal resistance of this house for starters.
>> So let's add up the thermal conductances U = Sum(Ai/Ri) and find
>> the reciprocal 1/U...
 
>> We have 340 ft^2 of windows, 

>4 sets of 10' x 7' windows = 2800 ft^2

Let's see. 4 x 10 x 7 = 280. I just did that on my calculator to be sure.
A 2,800 ft^2 window would be 5 stories tall and 50' wide.
 
>>R4 during a 10 hour day (Uday = 340/4 = 85)
>> and R8 during a 14 hour night 

>R12 at night; R4 + R8

My mistake.

>(Unight = 340/8 = 43), with an average daily
>> Uwindow = (10xUday+14xUnight)/24 = 60.
 
>> Uwalls = (2(24+48)x16-340)/R24 = 82, and Uceiling = 24x48/R38 = 30.
 
>> And Uinf = 77 Btu/hr-F.
 
>> So U = 60+30+77 = 167 Btu/hr-F and R = 0.006, over 24 hours.

>These numbers have to be revisited.

Agreed.

>> At night the U value would be lower, after you devotedly travel around
>> the house and painstakingly put up your night insulation on every window,
>> making sure the edges are ever so carefully sealed, akin to some little
>> twice-daily religious experience... Unight = 43+30+77 = 150 Btu/hr-F.
 
>> What will the steady state energy flow be for this house after a long
>> string of average December days, with an average amount of sun?
 
>> The energy Ein that flows into this house in a day might be
 
>>   280 ft^2 windows :-)

Hmm. A new way to measure energy :-)

>That should be 2800 ft^2

I don't think so.

> x 50% transmission

>Try 75%

That won't change the picture much.

> x 1000 Btu/ft^2/day = 140K
>>                             +  internal energy generation =  72K
>>                                                 total Ein = 212K. 
>> And the energy Eout that flows out of the house might be
 
>>   24 hours x (68-36) x 167 = 128 K Btu/day.

>Of course, these numbers must be revisited as well.

Agreed.

>>Now, thermal mass: the house has about 3,500 ft^2 of walls and ceilings with
>>a thermal mass equivalent to 3,500 pounds of water and another 400 pounds
>>of actual water.

>10' x 4' x 4" is ~13 ft^3.  Water is 62.4 lbs/ft^3.  There are
>four water walls.

>The water will weigh close to 3250 lbs.

My mistake again.

>> Let's call this 4,000 Btu/hr-F. 

>You need to revisit this number as well.

Somebody should. 

>> So if you make the temp of
>> the house, say, 80 F at dusk, at the end of an average day, with some sun,
>> after a long string of December days, each with 1000 Btu/ft^2/day of sun,
>> during the night the house will lose approximately 14 hours (80-36) 150 =
>> 100K Btu, which might come from the 4,000 Btu/F of thermal mass cooling plus
>> 14/24 hours x 72K = 42K of internal energy generation, ie the temperature of
>> the house might drop to 80 - (100K-42K)/4K = 65 F at dawn.

>You have so many corrections to make before you hit this paragraph that I am
>reluctant to mention the ones within.

Oh go ahead, mention them.

>You have not yet tried to establish the temperature of the water in the
>water walls. 

Oh no. I did that.

>Your assumption seems to be 1 oF, though there is no evidence
>of how you tried to calculate this.

That's pretty cold. That doesn't make any sense to me at all. I don't
understand what you are saying at all here Will. And I didn't assume
anything like that. I assumed the water walls were the same temperature
as the air and everything else in the house.

>> How much backup heat will you need in an average year? 

>My wife wants a fireplace, so I will likely go with a masonry firestove,
>often referred to as a Finnish or Russian fireplace, with outside combustion
>air.
 
How much backup heat will you need in an average year? 

>> Were you planning to have hot water in this house? How were you planning
>> to do that? 

>Solar hot water, most likely active.

How much will that cost to buy and operate, and how much backup heat
will you need for the hot water?

>> A better way to compare heating systems
>> might be their yearly heating bills, including the electrical power to run
>> the heating system. 

>The model I am planning on building (2250 ft^2) required $168 worth of heat for an entire
>winter.  Reference "Solar Today", Sept/Oct 1995, article on manufactured house.

Sounds nice. As Steve Baer says, the greatest discovery of
solar investigators may have been that lots of insulation is good :-)

>> >Some people prefer the passive method, and it is not your perogative
>> >to tell them that they are wrong in preferring that.
 
>> Oh sure it is, and it seems kind to tell people, if their passive houses are
>> such miserable and expensive performers.

>Try the numbers again, then we'll talk.

It's your house, Will. Try the numbers again yourself, if you like.

I'll be happy to look at them.

Cheers,

Nick



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In article <4nd2ko$8sb@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
>
>Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water 
>temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
>sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
>of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
>of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
>
I do not claim to be an "energy expert", but this problem was good for a brief 
diversion. Since no other numeric answers have shown up (yet - our news feed 
seems to be a little slow), I will post mine:

Since this is a "back of the envelope" evaluation, and Nick has given 
daily averages, I will ignore the daily fluctuations in ambient 
temperature and in insolation, and also assume that the insolation 
value given is the net energy to the water.

It does not matter what water temperature you start with - the question 
was what is the "steady-state" temperature of the water. For a steady 
state, the energy in must balancethe energy out, so 
insolation (solar energy in) = heat loss.

QHL = U*A*dT = A/R *dT = sum(A1/R1 + A2/R2) * deltaT     heat loss rate

      sum(A1/R1 + A2/R2) =    (5*4'*4')/(20*hr*ft^2*F/BTU) 
                            + (  4'*4')/( 1*hr*ft^2*F/BTU)
                         = 20 BTU/(hr*F)

QHL = 20 BTU/(hr*F) * deltaT

QI = IR * A       Insolation rate

   = 1000 BTU/(ft^2*day) * 4'*4' = 16,000 BTU/day = 666.67 BTU/hr

QHL = QI for steady state temperature

20 BTU/(hr*F) * deltaT = 666.67 BTU/hr

Therefore deltaT = 666.67/20 F = 33.33 F

And the steady-state water temperature = 33.33 F + 36 F = 69.33 F

If the window pane is shaded (without adding any extra insulation)
you simply get a heat loss rate as calculated above:

     QHL = 20 BTU/(hr*F) * deltaT
        where deltaT = TW - TA  (Water Temp - Ambient Temp)

This heat loss cools the water, thereby reducing its temperature:

     QHL = M*Cp*dTW/dtime  
  (Since QHL is a rate, this gives a rate of temperature change)
      where M  = mass of the water
            Cp = heat capacity of the water
            TW = temperature of the water

 M = 4'*4'*4' * 62.4 lb/ft^3 = 3993.6 lb or about 4000 lb of water
 Cp = 1 BTU/(lb F)
     (since this is a rough calc, I will ignore the small change in density 
      and heat capacity with temperature)

Setting the two equations for QHL equal and applying a bit of algebra, 
you get the following differential equation:

  dTW/dtime = (TW-TA)/200  F/hr

Now - remembering all that lovely differential equations stuff (not
likely :-) or looking in the back of the book, you find a solution like

   T = c*e^(-kt)

Using the initial conditional calculated above, we get

   TW = 33.33*e^(-t/200) + 36   for TW in Fahrenheit and t in hours

This describes an exponential temperature decrease - the rate of cooling
slows as the temperature difference between the air and the water 
decreases. So, the water cools by about one sixth of a degree F per hour
at first, with the rate slowly declining. After 10 days, the water 
temperature is still about 10 degrees F above the ambient temperature.

This answer ignores the daily fluctuations in both the ambient
temperature and (for part 1 above) the insolation rate. Both of these
can be modeled reasonably well using a sine function:

Insolation = pi/2 * 12 hr Avg insolation * sin(hour*pi/12)

Ambient Temp = AvgTemp + (TempRange/2)*SIN((Time/12)*PI())

These functions can be used in the above calculations, leading to much
more fun with calculus. Since I have Real Work (tm) to do, I will leave
the detailed solution as an exercise for the under-employed.

Russ Schmidt    <idt@ornl.gov>
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call!  And even better is the automatic 50% you’ll save if you call 
another Excel residential or small business customer.  Excel’s standard 
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$1.00 per month.  Excel offers free calling cards and other custom 
calling options such as personal 800 numbers and an impressive 
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their residential services.

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If within 90 you are not completely satisfied with Excel’s service for 
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customer service team that is available 24 hours to serve your needs.

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rated as #72 in the October ‘95 issue of Inc. Magazine Top 500 Companies. 
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Stock Exchange.  Excel has billing contracts with all the major local 
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distance service you currently receive, except for the money you’ll be 
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the travel program alone.

BIG SAVINGS ON LONG DISTANCE!
Excel Telecommunications customers receive an automatic 30% savings on 
every long distance phone call.  No lists, calling circles, or minimum 
spending requirement to receive the savings.  You save on your very first 
call!  And even better is the automatic 50% you’ll save if you call 
another Excel residential or small business customer.  Excel’s standard 
calling plan for residential service is ExcelPlus II and it only costs 
$1.00 per month.  Excel offers free calling cards and other custom 
calling options such as personal 800 numbers and an impressive 
international calling plan..  Excel doesn’t charge setup fees on any of 
their residential services.

SATISFACTION GUARANTEED!
If within 90 you are not completely satisfied with Excel’s service for 
any reason, Excel will pay any switch-back costs which your local phone 
carrier may charge. There is no risk to try Excel’s services.  Excel has 
customer service team that is available 24 hours to serve your needs.

WHO IS EXCEL TELECOMMUNICATIONS?
Founded in 1988, Excel has grown to be the nation’s fourth largest 
provider of residential long distance service..  Excel has been featured 
in the November and December ‘95 issues of Success Magazine and was also 
rated as #72 in the October ‘95 issue of Inc. Magazine Top 500 Companies. 
 We are a national corporation regulated by the FCC and the Public 
Utilities Commission and Excel stock is currently traded on the New York 
Stock Exchange.  Excel has billing contracts with all the major local 
phone carriers like Bell and GTE so your long distance calls will appear 
with your monthly phone bill.  You won’t notice a difference in the long 
distance service you currently receive, except for the money you’ll be 
saving.

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I am interested in building a rammed earth home. I would like to know if
anyone within the Reno Nevada area is either also interested in buiilding
such a structure, or, has built such a structure. I have heard that Nevada
is not very progressive when it comes to non-traditional housing.

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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Thu May 23 13:39:57 EDT 1996
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  Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
  temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
  sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
  of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
  of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
  Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
  person who answers it correctly.
 
Still only 3 numerical answers to this simple question so far. Two people got
part 1 correct, and one has almost solved part 2 using simple arithmetic, but
there's still a chance for the right person to earn $10 in 2 minutes with
a couple of back of the envelope calculations... This might also be a rare
opportunity for someone else to get paid to learn :-)

Here's a big hint: If a "solar house" has a heat loss of 150 Btu/hr-F and
a thermal capacity of about 8,000 Btu/F, so RC = 8,000/150 = 53 hours, and
the house starts out with an interior temperature of 68 F when it's -10 F
outside, with no electric or wood heating, and no sun, the interior temp after
a couple of days will be approximately - 10 + (68-(-10))exp(-48/53) = 31.5 F. 

Another slightly less accurate way to do this is to find the energy lost
during the first hour, assuming the interior temperature is constant over
the hour, find out how much the thermal mass has to cool to supply that
heat loss, find the new interior temperature, find the energy lost in the
second hour, and so on...

Nick

It's a snap to save energy in this country. As soon as more people become
involved in the basic math of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as
intellectual, grasp on how a house works, solution after solution will appear.
 
 					  Tom Smith 
 


From ferman@nznet.gen.nz Thu May 23 13:39:57 EDT 1996
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We have been making and marketing, in New Zealand, a very good waterpumping windmill
 for the past 16 years and have in recent times put out feelers on the Internet to try and find
 dealers or someone interested in making or marketing our mills overseas. To date we
 haven't had any really positive response so we'll try a different approach.
We feel that freight charges are against exporting individual mills - so -
        Is anyone interested in buying DETAILED PLANS for a very simple, effective,
                 waterpumping windmill? 
Cost of copyrighted plans would be US$50.00 airmailed.
If interested please email me direct at -  ferman@nznet.gen.nz
                Many thanks - Ross Ferguson


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From qmet@ccsi.com Thu May 23 13:39:58 EDT 1996
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I am looking for names of architects or designers who have
developed modular housing ideas, built and unbuilt. Any examples
of dwellings done with pre-manufactured assemblies would be relevant
as well.   

These can be for a single family dwelling or multi-family dwellings
as well.  Any information on this would be helpful.



Thanks,

Troy Kennedy
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Nick Pine (nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu) wrote:
:   Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water
:   temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
:   sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
:   of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
:   of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?
:   Anyone care to answer that question? I'll offer a $10 reward to the first
:   person who answers it correctly.
:  
: Still only 3 numerical answers to this simple question so far. Two people got
: part 1 correct, and one has almost solved part 2 using simple arithmetic, but
: there's still a chance for the right person to earn $10 in 2 minutes with
: a couple of back of the envelope calculations... This might also be a rare
: opportunity for someone else to get paid to learn :-)

: Here's a big hint: If a "solar house" has a heat loss of 150 Btu/hr-F and
: a thermal capacity of about 8,000 Btu/F, so RC = 8,000/150 = 53 hours, and
: the house starts out with an interior temperature of 68 F when it's -10 F
: outside, with no electric or wood heating, and no sun, the interior temp after
: a couple of days will be approximately - 10 + (68-(-10))exp(-48/53) = 31.5 F. 

: Another slightly less accurate way to do this is to find the energy lost
: during the first hour, assuming the interior temperature is constant over
: the hour, find out how much the thermal mass has to cool to supply that
: heat loss, find the new interior temperature, find the energy lost in the
: second hour, and so on...

: Nick

 
1000 Btu/ft^2-day * 16 ft^2 = 16000 Btu/day

16000 Btu/4000 lbm H2O * 1 Btu/lbm-F = 4 F

assuming  the following

h = 20 Btu/hr ft^2-F
c = 1 Btu/lbm-F
rho = 62.4 lbm
k = .32Btu/hr-ft^2-F

the thermal time constant is;

(62.4 * 1 * 64)/(20 * 16) = 12.5 hours

so if it's dark for 14 hours, at the end of the 14 hours the temp would be

T - 36 = (40 - 36) e^(-14/12.5)

T = 37.3 F

this is highly dependent on the value of h (convective heat transfer 
coefficient) obviously wind (or lack of) would have a majot effect.

Radiative heat transfer would be as follows (assuming blackbody);

q = sigma * Area * (T1^4 - T2^4)

q = 0.1714 E-8 Btu/hf-ft^2-R^4 * 16 ft^2 * ((460+40)^4 - (460+36)^4)

q = 54 Btu/hr therefore neglible



From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Thu May 23 13:39:58 EDT 1996
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Russell W. Schmidt <schmidtrw@ornl.gov> wins the prize!!!

>>Here's another litmus test for an energy expert: what will the average water 
>>temperature be inside a 4' cube full of water surrounded by 5 R20 foam walls,
>>sitting outside in December, when the air has an average 24 hour temperature
>>of 36 F and the sun puts 1,000 Btu/ft^2/day of heat into the R1 glazed side
>>of the box? And how will that change over time if we shade the sunny wall?

>It does not matter what water temperature you start with - the question 
>was what is the "steady-state" temperature of the water. For a steady 
>state, the energy in must balance the energy out, so 
>insolation (solar energy in) = heat loss.

Agreed. Energy in = Energy out. Those are the only two energy flows here,
in the long run, and they are equal. Energy is conserved. If the box had
lightbulbs or people inside, there would be some internal power to add in
to the solar power, but that isn't the case here. 

>QHL = U*A*dT = A/R *dT = sum(A1/R1 + A2/R2) * deltaT     heat loss rate
 
       sum(A1/R1 + A2/R2) =    (5*4'*4')/(20*hr*ft^2*F/BTU) 
                             + (  4'*4')/( 1*hr*ft^2*F/BTU)
                          = 20 BTU/(hr*F)

Yes. To find the thermal conductivity for the whole box, you divide each
exterior surface area by its R-value, and add up the quotients, like adding
conductances to find the overall conductance of several parallel resistors.
 
>QHL = 20 BTU/(hr*F) * deltaT
 
Un-huh. The heatflow out of the box in Btu/hour is equal to the thermal
conductivity of the box times the temperature difference between the water
inside the box and the constant air temperature outside the box. This is
Ohm's law, with Btu/hr replacing amps and a temperature difference replacing
a voltage difference. The thermal resistance in this simple circuit is
1/20 "Ohm," or 1/(20 "mhO" :-)

>QI = IR * A       Insolation rate
>   = 1000 BTU/(ft^2*day) * 4'*4' = 16,000 BTU/day = 666.67 BTU/hr

OK. This is the average hourly amount of sun power that flows
into the box over 24 hours.
 
>QHL = QI for steady state temperature

Ie the average solar energy that flows into the box during an hour is equal
to the average heat energy that flows out of the box during an hour,
after a long string of average days...
 
>20 BTU/(hr*F) * deltaT = 666.67 BTU/hr

Saying the same thing once more... 

>Therefore deltaT = 666.67/20 F = 33.33 F

Right :-)

>And the steady-state water temperature = 33.33 F + 36 F = 69.33 F

Good. Several people got to this point.

Now, once the water has warmed up to 69 F over a long string of average days,
we turn off the sun, keeping the outside air temperature exactly the same,
and the water gradually cools off...

>If the window pane is shaded (without adding any extra insulation)
>you simply get a heat loss rate as calculated above:
 
>     QHL = 20 BTU/(hr*F) * deltaT
>        where deltaT = TW - TA  (Water Temp - Ambient Temp)

So at any moment, the water has a certain temperature, and it is losing
energy at a certain rate... The rate of energy flow, ie the heatflow or
heat power flowing out of the box, decreases as the box cools. The box
loses more heat at the beginning, when it is 69 F, than later on, when
the water has cooled to, say 60 F, because the temperature difference
between the inside and the outside of the box has become less, like an
electrical circuit with a lower voltage difference across a resistor,
in which less current flows. The cooling problem can be approximately
solved this way using arithmetic, step by step, eg hour by hour, or day
by day, if the time constant is more than a few days...
 
Inscrutably, er, suitably cloaked in calculus, this becomes:

>This heat loss cools the water, thereby reducing its temperature:
 
>     QHL = M*Cp*dTW/dtime  
>  (Since QHL is a rate, this gives a rate of temperature change)
>      where M  = mass of the water           [about 4000 pounds]
>            Cp = heat capacity of the water  [1 Btu/lb per degree F]
>            TW = temperature of the water    [what we are trying to find]
 
> M = 4'*4'*4' * 62.4 lb/ft^3 = 3993.6 lb or about 4000 lb of water
 
>Setting the two equations for QHL equal and applying a bit of algebra, 
>you get the following differential equation:
 
>  dTW/dtime = (TW-TA)/200  F/hr
 
Well, I guess you COULD do it that way... As J. E. Gordon describes? :-)

>From  _Structures: Why Things Don't Fall Down_: 

   When we play tennis or walk downstairs we are actually solving
   whole pages of differential equations, quickly, easily and without
   thinking about it, using the analogue computer which we keep in our
   minds. What we find difficult about mathematics is the formal,
   symbolic presentation of the subject by pedagogues with a taste for
   dogma, sadism and incomprehensible squiggles.

Present company excepted, of course.

>Now - remembering all that lovely differential equations stuff (not
>likely :-) or looking in the back of the book, you find a solution like
 
>   T = c*e^(-kt) [+ something]
 
Yes. You only need to learn this once, and you don't have to know where
it came from in detail. Electrical engineers write that k as 1/(RC), where
RC is called the "natural time constant" or "RC time constant" of a simple
circuit. In thermal circuits, it is often measured in hours or days. Using
these units above, the RC product has the dimension of hours, in this case,
200 hours, or about 8 days, which is pretty good for a solar house.

>Using the initial conditional calculated above, we get
 
>   TW = 33.33*e^(-t/200) + 36   for TW in Fahrenheit and t in hours

Notice the + 36 on the right, the something that got added to account for
the "final condition," of the water temperature, ie after an infinite number
of days, the water will have lost all its heat, and the water temperature
will be the same as the surrounding air temperature, no matter how good
the box walls were as insulators, if we wait forever, or almost forever.

The way I usually write this is

    T(t) = Ta + (T(0)-Ta)*exp(-t/RC), 

so after time t in hours, the water temperature as a function of time, ie
T(t), which was initially a certain number, T(0) = 69 F in this case,
becomes the same as the air temperature Ta. Initially, there is a temp
difference T(0)-Ta between the water and the air, and as time goes on,
that temperature difference becomes less, and it finally gets scrunched
down to 0 by the decaying exponential function exp(-t/RC) (the "e-to-the-x"
button on a $20 calculator) which becomes 0 as t gets bigger and bigger,
ie as time marches on, until we are left with just T(oo) = Ta + 0...
(oo is infinity, staring back at us, for unseen forces fans.)

>This describes an exponential temperature decrease - the rate of cooling
>slows as the temperature difference between the air and the water 
>decreases. So, the water cools by about one sixth of a degree F per hour
>at first, with the rate slowly declining. After 10 days, the water 
>temperature is still about 10 degrees F above the ambient temperature.

Right. T(t) = 36 + (69-36)*exp(-t/200), so...

After 0 days  Tw = 69, since exp(0/200) = 1, 
After 1 day   Tw = 65, since exp(-0.12) = 0.886,
After 2 days  Tw = 62, since exp(-0.24) = 0.787,
After 3 days  Tw = 59, ...
After 4 days  Tw = 56, ....
After 5 days  Tw = 54  .....

After 10 days Tw = 46  ....... and so on, until

After oo days Tw = 36, since exp(-oo) = 0.

>This answer ignores the daily fluctuations in both the ambient
>temperature and (for part 1 above) the insolation rate. Both of these
>can be modeled reasonably well using a sine function:
 
>Insolation = pi/2 * 12 hr Avg insolation * sin(hour*pi/12)
>Ambient Temp = AvgTemp + (TempRange/2)*SIN((Time/12)*PI())

They COULD be, but in this linear case they could also be happily ignored,
to get the same answer :-) Using this sort of thing in the ***bonus***
problem below would lead to a higher and more realistic performance,
but it's probably overkill there too, vs just using daily averages. 
 
>These functions can be used in the above calculations, leading to much
>more fun with calculus.

Yeah, right :-)

>Since I have Real Work (tm) to do, I will leave
>the detailed solution as an exercise for the under-employed.

Hey, that's me! Congratulations, Russell! I will send a $10 check to the
address below. Is this the way to run a consulting business, or what? :-)

>Russ Schmidt    <idt@ornl.gov>
>Lockheed Martin Energy Systems
>Oak Ridge, TN  37831-7294

Bonus problem (another $10): How does all this change if a December day
is 6 hours long, and during each 18 hour night, that R1 glazed wall is
somehow insulated to R20, like the other walls, and it stays R20 for
24 hours a day during the DARK TIME.

You can't play this time, Russ :-)

Nick



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<74364.1225@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> Subject: Strength of Bamboo ?
> 
> An engineer colleague of mine is unable to find a reference that 
> lists the structural characteristics of bamboo.
> 
> He needs a to know its: 	Modulus of elasticity
> 			Compressive strength
> 			Tensile strength
> 
The Technical University Eindhoven (Architecture and Building) in the 
Netherlands has done much research on bamboo and the required information 
should be available here.



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Is there any one out there that has any info on building houses
constructed in the shape of a pyramid, i am trying to design a three
story house with the top story as an atrium.
I don't know much about architecture but i would think it would a
fairly basic design.
Any thoughts or info would be appreciated.



From 74364.1225@CompuServe.COM Thu May 23 13:40:00 EDT 1996
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An engineer colleague of mine is unable to find a reference that 
lists the structural characteristics of bamboo.

He needs a to know its: 	Modulus of elasticity
			Compressive strength
			Tensile strength

If anyone has access to this information, I would appreciate it if 
they would pass it along to me at <74364.1225@compuserve.com>.

Thanks, 

Jim Creighton
Halifax
Canada


From Anibal_Rivera@ea.xerox.com Thu May 23 13:40:00 EDT 1996
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My name is Tony Rivera. i'm an analyst for Xerox in N.Y.  I am trying to 
compile applications in how Architectural firms could:
1.Save money on Checkplots
2.Make it easier to distribute checkplots
3.Instead of using costly checkplot paper use reqular lazer for 
checkplots.
4.Scale checkplots to 11x17 for customers who'd desire an alternative 
way to make those large checkplots more portable.

We already have one firm that has ordered one, they discovered the 
application on our printer. If you're interested call me at 
212-916-1610.


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Try the Forest Products Laboratory in Madison, Wisconsin.  
phone 608-231-9200
address  1 Gifford Pinchot Dr. Madison, Wi 53706  (unsure of zipp)

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From: Jim Creighton <74364.1225@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: sci.engr.manufacturing,sci.materials,sci.techniques.testing.misc,soc.culture.china,alt.architecture.alternative
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An engineer colleague of mine is unable to find a reference that 
lists the structural characteristics of bamboo.

He needs a to know its: 	Modulus of elasticity
			Compressive strength
			Tensile strength

If anyone has access to this information, I would appreciate it if 
they would pass it along to me at <74364.1225@compuserve.com>.

Thanks, 

Jim Creighton
Halifax
Canada

---------------------------------190792760529291--


From ace@centcon.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:08 EDT 1996
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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:08 EDT 1996
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Marc L O'Brien <mlobrien@fridgemech.win-uk.net> wrote:

Ask Nick Pine? **I'm** not a Freon pumper! :-) But if you like, I'll try
to help. First a word about greenhouse shadecloth. I've almost convinced
the local newspaper, The Collegeville Independent, "Neutral on Nothing--
Accept and defend the truth, whatever the source!" which is 122 years old
this week, to hang a 24' x 32' piece of 80% sun-absorbing red greenhouse
shadecloth over the barn red south wall of their converted barn with R11
insulation and 84 ft^2 of double pane windows. The windows alone will pass
600 Btu/ft^2/day of sun into the building in August, ie 50K Btu/day, or 10
hours of 5,000 Btu/hr AC, when the average daily max outdoor temp is 85 F,
with a daily night min of 66 and a 24 hr average of 76. This stuff costs
about 20 cents/ft^2 from Stuppy at (800) 877-5025, sewed to order with
hems and grommets in about 2 weeks, and it comes in various colors (black
being my favorite :-) So this should save them about a dollar a day in
AC cost and make the place more comfy inside...

>paul milligan (pjm@nando.net) writes:

>>       There is no quantifiable time period that defines 'short cycling'
>>in this context ( as opposed to certain other failure mode contexts we use
>>the same term to describe ).

Nonsense. Less than 10% on-time is a short cycle. Next question? :-)

>        Changing the subject slightly, cold room design normally
>works on 16 Hr out of 24Hr. Lots of spare capacity here and time for
>off cycle passive air circ defrost. Off for considerably more time
>than the 8 Hrs above, then open products like beef become too moist
>and soft to work on.

I suppose that's not much of a problem in the UK these days. 

>Back to the home system, If the home contains a large thermal mass
>then during initial temperature pull down the unit will run
>continuously as normal.

Sounds reasonable to me...

>Then when room temperature first reaches the
>set point the AC cycles but the room mass would not yet have
>dropped to set point and so will quickly warm the room air again
>bringing the AC back on. The AC will appear to short cycle until
>the rooms thermal mass more closely reaches set point.

So the duty cycle will gradually decrease over time...

>Then once the room mass is within the thermostats differential temperature
>range it affects cycling time depending on the ratio of that mass
>to rate of room heat ingress.

I think I see what you are getting at here. What we really want is a house
with a large RC time constant, no? Perhaps one with a huge amount of thermal
mass, and a reasonable amount of insulation. Suppose those two brothers who
built their stone house with 13 million pounds of rocks, including rocks for
the roof (written up in Mother Earth News recently) had foamed the outside
with 4" of urethane? Hmmm. RC = R30/3000ft^2x13x10^6x0.16 = 20,800 hours or
28 months or 2.4 years. Open it up for a few days once a year in the winter,
if it begins to get too warm, and open it up for a few days every summer if
it gets too cold. No need for heat or AC. The average yearly temp where I
live is about 55 F, so it would be open more often in summer. If we start
the house out at 70 F in July, by the end of our 5500 DD heating season, it
will have lost 13.2 million Btu, enough to cool the rock walls 6 degrees F.

>        So, if the room mass versus heat ingress is low then the
>unit will cycle frequently.
>        If the room mass versus heat ingress is high then the unit
>will stretch its off and on cycles.

That makes sense to me.

>Nick Pine would explain I'm sure. 

Sure. Repent now! Give up your Freon habits!

Hope this helps.

Nick



From 100441.3577@CompuServe.COM Tue Jun 18 09:49:09 EDT 1996
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From carpen@interserv.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:09 EDT 1996
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I am seeking employment as a facility manager.  I have seven years 
experience as a manager in the food service industry.  I recently completed the 
certificate program in facilities management.  I also hold a BA degree in 
Political Science and Economics.  I will e-mail my resume to any interested 
party.  Please e-mail me and indicate what format you would like my resume 
sent to you.  

Thanks

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From pl1x+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:09 EDT 1996
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From: Peter Andrew Lopez <pl1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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recently i had a book by him re-signed and he wrote the wrong date on it.
he lectured on the 29 of november but he signed the book the 11 of december.

so immediately i thought of it as strange and i put some thought into it
put could not come up to any direct correlation of why he did that.  so
as with many things, it left my mind, until recently i got a post (the
first i might add about the eisenman pages i created) that eisenman had
yet again signed another book with an odd date.

Elizabeth Tannehill from Auburn university recently meet eisenman and
had her book signed the 11 of may even though it was only the 3rd.

does anyone out there have a similar story or information about this
curiousity.  if you do send me a copy of the sig and i'll put it up on
the eisenman page or if you have any information please send me mail at

pl1x+@andrew.cmu.edu

http://128.2.85.103/96/pl1x/eisenman.html

zepol retard

and if you would like to offer me a job since 
i recently graduated feel free to do so.


From t.marschall@bk.tudelft.nl Tue Jun 18 09:49:10 EDT 1996
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In article <Ylhj4W200iVDE2Y25J@andrew.cmu.edu>,
   Peter Andrew Lopez <pl1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
>recently i had a book by him re-signed and he wrote the wrong date on it.
>he lectured on the 29 of november but he signed the book the 11 of december.
>
>so immediately i thought of it as strange and i put some thought into it
>put could not come up to any direct correlation of why he did that.  so
>as with many things, it left my mind, until recently i got a post (the
>first i might add about the eisenman pages i created) that eisenman had
>yet again signed another book with an odd date.
>
>Elizabeth Tannehill from Auburn university recently meet eisenman and
>had her book signed the 11 of may even though it was only the 3rd.
>
>does anyone out there have a similar story or information about this
>curiousity.  if you do send me a copy of the sig and i'll put it up on
>the eisenman page or if you have any information please send me mail at
>
>pl1x+@andrew.cmu.edu
>
>http://128.2.85.103/96/pl1x/eisenman.html
>
>zepol retard
>
>and if you would like to offer me a job since 
>i recently graduated feel free to do so.

i saw  him on a date with 11 women  ;)


From kuegler@skyline.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:10 EDT 1996
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From: "Thomas Kuegler Jr." <kuegler@skyline.net>
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Called "one of the world's most astonishing trompe l'oiel murals", the 
Community Bridge project involves thousands of people as co-creators.  
You're invited to participate through the Community Bridge Web site:

<URL:http://www.skyline.net/CommunityBridge/>


From bob_schulz@qm.calstate.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:10 EDT 1996
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Roundtable on Technology in Architecture/Engineering/Construction 

If you are going to be at AEC SYSTEMS in Anaheim, this June, you are 
invited to atte

Roundtable Discussion on Information Technology in Public Works Design & 
Construction Projects 
At AEC SYSTEMS '96, 
Thursday June 20, 8:00 am to 11:00 am
Anaheim Marriot Hotel, Salon C&D

This free roundtable is focused  on the impact on professional practices 
by the use of computers and technology on AEC projects in a public works 
environment.  A wealth of Computer Aided Design, Analysis, Project 
Management, Estimating, and Communications tools are available to the 
AEC industry today, yet the ramifications of their use is still being 
sorted out.

What is the impact on professional practices?  Computing tools enable us 
to design, draft, specify, and manage projects faster, but how can they 
be used to integrate disciplines, coordinate multiple documents and data 
sources? How can they help prevent errors, cost over runs, claims, and 
litigation. What are the quality management and process improvement 
possibilities being opened up by these technologies?

Representatives from large facilities owners, architects and 
consultants, and general contracting firms will present their views on 
today's tools be used to improve the project delivery system, and 
develop facilities more effectively and with fewer errors and claims.

Further information is available at the Web Page below.
________________________________________________________________
Robert C.  Schulz				             Phone:         (310) 985-9044 
Principal Architect               Fax:           (310) 985-9107
Office of the Chancellor                      
California State University       http://www.co.calstate.edu/AEC/
PO Box 3502 Seal Beach, CA 90740     bob_schulz@qm.calstate.edu
________________________________________________________________


From goose@olywa.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:11 EDT 1996
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From: Christopher Kirk <goose@olywa.net>
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EG1226 wrote:
> 
>   Anybody know of any EarthShip centered web-sites/newsgroups/etc. around
> ?
> There is an organization in Taos N.M. called Solar Survival Architecture.
> Any word on them?  

Yup... a nice place to start is:

http://www.simwell.com/earthship/

This site has plenty of good info, including links to other Earthship pages, Solar 
Survival, Real Goods, etc. Solar Survival also has info on an Earthship mailing list 
which is just starting to become active again.

Enjoy!
Christopher Kirk
Olympia, Washington, USA



From training@cinox.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:49:11 EDT 1996
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From: training@cinox.demon.co.uk (Tim Murphy)
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Glastonbury Festival of Contemporary Arts Goes Virtual

Press Release / Invitation to Participate.

See us at http://www.glastonbury.org/

Date:  Thursday 6/6/96 
         
For immediate release / Please feel free to cross-post entire document.

Announcing Virtual Glastonbury
******************************

Glastonbury has been cancelled for this year but there’s no need to miss out 
on the sights and sounds. Only the smell of the legendary toilets are 
missing. 

Virtual  Glastonbury 1996' launches on the 21st June. The 
celebration starts on-line with a live Web-cast of pictures of the solstice 
Sunrise from Stonehenge check http://www.glastonbury.org

Everything you would expect west country version will be there. Music 
>from  top bands in numerous tents and stages.  Along with material 
supplied by performers of every type from circus to comedy.  

On a more mellow note reminisce about past festivals with stories, 
sights, sounds and videos. Then take a walk to the Beer tent or chill out 
in the 'Trip Tent'. If you’re feeling a bit down recover there’s always 
the Alternative Medicine field. And like the real thing there’ll be plenty 
of campaigners clamouring for your attention and a better world. 
Many more features will be announced over the next few days. 

Much of the content will be is especially commissioned or never before 
seen. All available via a clickable Festival map.

All profits go to the 'Hardship Fund' managed jointly by Crusaid and the 
Terence  Higgins Trust which offers immediate help to people suffering 
financial  hardship as a result of HIV or Aids.

RainbowNet Cultural Technologies (creators of last year's Cybercafe  at 
the Glastonbury Festival) are co-coordinating the creation of this special 
Virtual Glastonbury project and a London Clubwear Design and wholesale 
company, 'Surge London Ltd' have put up the initial seed sponsorship to get 
the project going.  Visitors that add an entry to Surge’s electronic 
visitors book will be entered  in a draw for a Virtual Glastonbury 
t-shirt.

The Virtual Glastonbury Festival World Wide Web site will be accessible  
to anyone with an Internet link anywhere in the world.   The  URL is http://www.glastonbury.org

We are still accepting materials from commercial sponsors, interested 
individuals as well as traders, artists, musicians, bands, campaigners
and community groups.

Get Involved:

Individuals:
* Play on stage, 
* Appear in the comedy tent
* Send us Glastonbury related text, art, video and audio.
* Run a tent or a stall
* Or just send some thoughts for the site. 
 
Please email us with ideas and offers of help.

Organisations

* Companies: Site, tent and stage sponsorship are available but hurry. 
the summer solstice is approaching fast. 

x Bands and Artists
May appear on stage by way of text, graphics, sound and video
The material should not be available on any other site.
£50.00 per floppy disc

Alternatively, a band or record Company may sponsor a stage for £1,000 and have a link to their on web site.
 
* Campaign Groups: 
May submit material to Virtual Glastonbury. 
Contributions for material submitted will be rated at a reduced fee of 50 
Pounds per floppy disk. Further details of any requirements by campaign 
groups should be submitted by post.

* Community organisations.
These will benefit from a specially reduced fees of 50 Pounds. This will 
not include any web site material beyond a page of text provided by the 
organisation and a "mail-to" link to the organisation. However any 
Community Organisation is welcome to negotiate a more advanced 
participation at Virtual Glastonbury to suit their needs.

x Traders, Arts and Crafts
Traders may submit text and images at the rate of 50 pounds per floppy disc.
Arts and Crafts people may have a stall at the professional rate of 50 pounds or reduced rate of 15 pounds for semi-professionals.  

Material must arrive not later than the 18th of June. 
More details of rates and terms can be found on the web site: 

http://www.glastonbury.org


For Further details:-  
Contact:- Kendra Kirkham
Address: RCT 32 Percy Street, Oxford OX4 3AA, England, UK.
Telephone:- +44 (0)1865 201824  
email:-  info@cinox.demon.co.uk
Virtual Glastonbury URL http://www.glastonbury.org

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From tingcc@ms7.hinet.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:11 EDT 1996
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From: tingcc@ms7.hinet.net (DANIEL TING)
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Any one read Peter Rice's 'An Engineer Imagines'
Please express your opinion about this book or better yet about
Peter Rice.
Is he a good engineer or just a form-suker?

I am translating the book into Chinese......

thanx

daniel
tingcc@ms7.hinet.net


From pjm@nando.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:12 EDT 1996
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From: pjm@nando.net (paul milligan)
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In article <4p706l$8ff@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>,
   nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
~~>Marc L O'Brien <mlobrien@fridgemech.win-uk.net> wrote:
~~>
~~>Ask Nick Pine? **I'm** not a Freon pumper! :-) 

~~>>paul milligan (pjm@nando.net) writes:
~~>
~~>>>       There is no quantifiable time period that defines 'short cycling'
~~>>>in this context ( as opposed to certain other failure mode contexts we use
~~>>>the same term to describe ).
~~>
~~>Nonsense. Less than 10% on-time is a short cycle. Next question? :-)

	yeh, here 'tis - back that one up, buddy !  :-0

	How can you make such a statement without working within parameters
of load and delta ?  ( hint - you can't )

	Short cycle ( again, in the context of system usage, not failure
modes )is not a question of percent of running time vs total period, it
is rather the pattern of on/off cycles, and their relative time structures.

	Example #1- hot, hot day, leaky house, poor insulation:

		Unit runs 5 minutes, satisfies, calls again in 5 minutes,
runs 5 again, etc.  That _is_ short cycling, and yet run time is 50 % !

	Example # 2 - 80 degrees outside, dryish, evening

	Unit runs 5 minutes to acheive 77 inside, satisfies, shuts off. 
Does not call again for an hour.  That is _not_ short cycling, but run 
time is <10 % !

	Example 2B - same as # 2 above, but set point is 70 - unit runs for
20 minutes, satisfies, and does not call again for until the next afternoon
( seeing as evening has continued to fall, and the temperatures to drop ).
Run time for that period is %trivial, but it is _not_ short cycling !  :-)

	I repeat : There is no quantifiable time period that defines
'short cycling' in this context ( as opposed to certain other failure 
mode contexts we use the same term to describe ).

	Your statement regarding 'nonsense' will taste better with a little
salt, my friend !  :-)

Paul

_________________________________________________________
No Disclaimer needed - This is my own PPP account, and my
employer doesn't care what I think anyway !  :-)
_________________________________________________________

The SEHVAC FAQ is at: http://www.elitesoft.com/sci.hvac/
My humble personal pages are at: http://www.webbuild.com/~pjm/index.html


From Antonio.Serrato-Combe@m.cc.utah.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:12 EDT 1996
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From: Antonio Serrato-Combe <Antonio.Serrato-Combe@m.cc.utah.edu>
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The Youth Institute and the Graduate School of 
Architecture at the University 
of Utah announce the Fourth Annual Summer Design 
Workshop.

This is an exciting two-week session that introduces
students to design in general.
 
Activities include:

* Field trips (Geneva Steel in Orem-a very exciting 
trip-, Red Butte Gardens,
the Broadcast Center, Abravanel Hall, and 
Architectural Offices.
* A series of studio/design projects such as a 
solar cube with development of solar control ideas
* Computer-aided design projects
* Drawing and sketching exercises

The workshop is open to all students ages 14-18. 

After completion of the workshop students receive 
one semester of high school fine arts credit.

The summer design workshop runs June 10-21, 1996. 
The daily schedule begins at 8:30 AM Monday-Friday,
and concludes at 2:30 PM.

The cost of the workshop is $295 and covers all 
instructional costs, supplies, field trips and
use of computers.

To register:

By phone: (801)581-6984 
This is the phone for the Division of Continuing 
Education at the University of Utah.

NOTE: Applications accepted as long as enrollment
permits

If you need more information, please E-Mail me.

A. Serrato-Combe
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From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:13 EDT 1996
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My short cycling guru friend paul milligan <pjm@nando.net> wrote:
>   nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
>~>>paul milligan (pjm@nando.net) writes:

>~>>>       There is no quantifiable time period that defines 'short cycling'
>~>>>in this context ( as opposed to certain other failure mode contexts we use
>~>>>the same term to describe ).

>~~>Nonsense. Less than 10% on-time is a short cycle. Next question? :-)
 
>	How can you make such a statement without working within parameters
>of load and delta ?  ( hint - you can't )

Oops :-)

>	Short cycle ( again, in the context of system usage, not failure
>modes )is not a question of percent of running time vs total period, it
>is rather the pattern of on/off cycles, and their relative time structures.

Hmmm.

>	Example #1- hot, hot day, leaky house, poor insulation:
 
>		Unit runs 5 minutes, satisfies, calls again in 5 minutes,
>runs 5 again, etc.  That _is_ short cycling, and yet run time is 50 % !
 
>	Example # 2 - 80 degrees outside, dryish, evening
 
>	Unit runs 5 minutes to acheive 77 inside, satisfies, shuts off. 
>Does not call again for an hour.  That is _not_ short cycling, but run 
>time is <10 % !

Good examples. Perhaps we should say "short cycling is a condition in which
an AC cycles more than 6 times per hour." Or "short cycling is a bicycle trip
of less than 3 miles."

Here are some more examples:

        Example # 3A - 80 degrees outside, 5K Btu AC in an 8' cubical room
at 80 F inside, with 6" concrete walls with a heat capacity of 22 Btu/F-ft^3,
surrounded by 2" of polystyrene foam with an R-value of 10. The walls have
a thermal mass of 8x8x6x6/12x22 = 4224 Btu/F, so the unit runs for 3x4224/5K
= 2.5 hours to achieve 77 inside, satisfies, shuts off. The room with a time
constant of RC = R10/(64x6)x4224 = 110 hours takes t hours to warm to 79 F
where 79 = 80 + (77-80)exp(-t/110) ==> t = -110 ln((80-79)/(80-77)) = 154 hr, 
ie 6 days, then the AC comes on again and cools it to 77 F in 2x4224/5K =
1.7 hours, and so on. Is that short cycling?

        Example # 3B - 80 degrees outside, 5K Btu AC in an 8' cubical room 
at 80 F inside, with 2" polystyrene R10 foam walls with a heat capacity of
0.5 Btu/F-ft^3, surrounded by 6" low-thermal-resistance concrete walls. The
inside walls have a thermal mass of 8x8x6x2/12x0.5 = 32 Btu/F, so the unit
runs for 3x32/5K = 0.0192 hours or 1.15 minutes to achieve 77 inside, shuts
off, the room with a time constant of RC = R10/(64x6)x32 = 0.83 hours takes
-0.83 ln(-1/3) = 1.16 hours to warm to 79 F, the AC comes on again and cools
it to 77 F in 2x32x60/5K = 0.77 minutes, and so on. Is that short cycling? 
 
        Example # 4A - 86 F outside 8 hours a day, 67 for 8 hours a day, and
77 for 8 hours a day, 8' cubical room with 6" concrete walls on the inside,
initially 77 F, surrounded by R10 foam. Phila owner takes AC to junkyard, gets
1 cent/pound, and buys a $5 100 Watt window fan at a garage sale. During the
night with the fan on, the concrete walls have a surface air film thermal
conductance of about 2 Btu/hr-F, so the room has an RC time constant of about
1/2/(64*6)x4224 = 5.5 hours. During the day, buttoned up, the room temp rises
to T(8) = 86 + (77-86)exp(-8/110) = 77.6 F, and during every night the owner
turns on the fan for t hours, where 77 = 67 + (77.6-67)exp(-t/5.5), so
t = -5.5 ln((77-67)/(77.6-67)) = 2.14 hr, and so on. Is that short cycling? 

        Example # 4B - 86 F outside 8 hours a day, 67 for 8 hours a day, and
77 for 8 hours a day, 8' cubical room with 6" concrete walls on the inside,
initially 77 F, surrounded by R10 foam. Wise Phila owner removes three piece
suit, dons shorts and T-shirt, sells fan and lives in 77.6 F room during the
day, 76.4 F room at night. 

        Example # 5A - 86 F outside 8 hours a day, 67 for 8 hours a day, and
77 for 8 hours a day, Phila owner and loony brother build stone house with
13 million pounds of rocks, including rocks for the roof (see recent Mother
Earth News) and foam the outside with 4" of urethane. RC = 20,800 hours, so
if the house starts out one summer morning at 65 F, by the end of an 86 F
day, the indoor temperature rises to T(8) = 86 + (65-86)exp(-8/20,800)
= 65.00692 F. 

        Example # 5B - From June through August in Philadelphia, when the
average outdoor temp is 74.7 F, the indoor temperature in this house with
a 29 month time constant rises to about 74.7 + (65-74.7)exp(-3/29) = 66 F,
while the brothers open their house sometimes at night to their low-thermal-
mass sunspace with its solar-dried dessicant floor to remove some humidity,
while venting the hot sunspace to the outside on sunny days. A layer of
wood chips or vermiculite or crushed stone or a thin layer of concrete over
foam might work as a dessicant floor...

        Example # 5C - September arrives, with an average daytime high
temperature of 77.6 F, and the owners get ready for winter in this house
with 3,000 ft^2 of walls with 2 million Btu/F of thermal mass with an indoor
surface thermal conductance of about 2 Btu/F, ie an indoor time constant of
1/2/3,000x2 million = 333 hours or 2 weeks, by opening the windows for t
hours during the later part of the month, to raise the house temperature
to 73 F, where 73 =  77.6 - (77.6-66)exp(-t/333), so t = -333 ln(0.39)
= 308 hours or 12.8 days.

        Example # 5D - Winter arrives, with about 6,000 heating degree days,
at a 70 F base temperature, and the house loses 24x6,000x3,000/R30 = 14
million Btu, and cools from 73 to 67 F. The average daily min temps in May
and June are 53 and 62. The brothers open the house up on 10 cool nights in
early spring to allow it to cool to 65 F, and the summer begins again.

        Example # 5E - Loony brothers wear sweaters in winter, T-shirts
in summer, and leave the south-facing windows closed all year :-) 

Nick

PS: Lent 700 ft^2 of 13.9 cent/ft^2 black 80%-solar-absorbing shadecloth to
the local newspaper, The Collegeville Independent, "Neutral on Nothing--
Accept and defend the truth, whatever the source!" so they could see how their
comfort and AC bills change when they hang it over their barn red south wall
with R11 insulation and 84 ft^2 of double pane windows. They are worried about
the building inspector, so they are thinking of stenciling it with big red 
letters saying "Vietnam--1964-1973," to exempt it from the building code as
self-expression (their publisher's a lawyer :-) They might add "Desert Storm--
1990-1991," in red poster paint, so it will bleed in the rain. 



From Woodside-Agency@msn.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:13 EDT 1996
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From: Woodside-Agency@msn.com (James Leonard)
Subject: ALL WRITERS!
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New York City Literary Agency with branches as far south as Florida..
Accepting ALL fiction and ALL nonfiction.
Advances from publishers can be extremely high.
Novels: Send brief synopsis, first 10 pages, and a self-addressed, stamped
envelope.
Nonfiction: Send brief synopsis, first 10 pages, self-addressed, stamped
envelope.
Short Stories: Send brief synopsis, first 5 pages, self-addressed, stamped
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Poems: Send 3, self-addressed, stamped envelope.
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From info@netcad.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:13 EDT 1996
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Web Exposure For AEC Professionals

Netcad Corporation invites all Architectural, Engineering and 
Construction Professionals to add their business card to our 
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please visit

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From jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:14 EDT 1996
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From: jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com(Joe Hindorff)
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Because I live in Phoenix, my challenge is just the opposite of most folks.
 Most are trying to keep warm in the winter.  No problem here.  But try to
stay cool in the summer.  That is another issue. 
 
I've been working on an idea.  Actually, I have plans, I am obtaining
permits, and hope to soon be in construction.  Please give me your
criticism, questions, and feedback on this. 
 
The house will be 2100 sq. ft., look like a Santa Fe, but constructed with
tire walls as in Michael Reynolds' Earthships.  Three internal tire walls
will be utilized to preserve the 25' U concept.  Other internal walls will
be conventional construction.  The external surface of the tire walls will
be insulated and  covered with a thermal barrier.  Roof will be flat, R-30
insulation.  The house contains 900 sq. ft. of glass(Hurd sunbelter 66). 
None of the windows face south.  Each room will have a skylight atop a
solar chimney.  The skylight will be operable for ventilation. 
 
A ventilation system will be built into the floor.  The air in the ducts
will be tempered by water pipes used for radiant floor heating.  I expect
the air coming from the ducts in the summer to be 60 to 65 degrees. 
 
Engineers that I have talked to are not in agreement as to whether I will
need an air conditioner.  I'd be interested in your opinions. 
 
Thanks 
-- 
 
Joe  
 
"All anger is fear, and all fear is fear of loss" 
                                        Richard Bach


From YDLF55A@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:14 EDT 1996
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              This is about a certian chain letter I came across a while 
ago.It apparently stated you could make a great deal of money by sending 
out 5 letters containing each 1$ to the 5 people at the end of the 
posting and then re-configure the list so it contained your name and 
address.This was said to to made legal by the author because of a request 
within each letter to be added to that certain person's list.Well,I 
thought,okay lets give it a shot.So I modifyed and posted to a couple of 
places.To make a long story short(and in response to a couple of seething 
responses that apparently I wasn't s'posed to post that kind of crap 
there-I apologize-I am new at this and am unaware of the many forms of 
this 'netiqitte')I am not completely sure this is legal-so for everyone's 
safety(including mine-which mabye to late-but I would like to see other 
people learn from my mistakes)DO NOT RESPOND TO THAT CHAIN LETTER ARTICLE.
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From jdhacker@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:15 EDT 1996
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From: "Dan Hacker" <jdhacker@ix.netcom.com>
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> N.Kitchen@unsw.edu.au (Neil Kitchen) wrote in article
<4oudp5$i70@mirv.unsw.edu.au>...
> I would like any info on designing and building an environmental house:
using innovative environmentally friendly design and materiails.
> 

theres a system called the otw2001 building system.... its uses steel
framing with a special concrete block that is inserted between the
studs... The block is made out of concrete, fiberglass strands and fly ash
(which is the bi product of electrical plants)... the blocks are extremely
light and extremely energy efficient not to mention fire proof, sound
proof and rodent proof... the entire house is basically recyclable and the
finish product looks no different then a wood constructed house.  The cost
of building is comparable to wood framing...

Habitat for humanity has built several of these house in southern
California... and my father has built a few himself (including a 3 story
house he has up in Seattle area)... to show the energy efficiency, my
father built a house in palm springs, California... its around 1300 sq.
ft.  in the middle of summer where temps get around 115 deg.  in a normal
house the air conditioning bill for the month runs around $200-$300
depending on well your house is insulated, my father prototype house
(which he uses for a rental now) a.c. bill runs around $80 for the same
month... big difference huh...  

the last I heard, there making a jig to pour entire wall sections and the
tilt them up, and lock em place.. which will make building an house even
easier...

My father just got back from Thailand, and they have decided to build a
plant over there and have already pre-sold 50 houses using this system...

Australia is another area who is building with this system...

being that were running out of wood on this planet, I think this (and
other metal building systems) will be the wave of the future...



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Is there anyone who knows of WWW, FTP sites, USENET groups that have
anything on this local Sculptor/Designer/Architect which PBS did a 1989
special on?


From dcs2e@darwin.clas.virginia.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:15 EDT 1996
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I interned for a summer at Eisenman, oh, about five years ago, and can
only suggest that he's very busy - though I wouldn't put it past him to
be engaging in some sort of inside joke.

David

I too am not a bit tamed, I too am untranslatable,
I sound my barbaric yawp over the roofs of the world.


From bb1018@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:16 EDT 1996
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There's a book called Stone Shelters which looks at stone towns in
southern Italy, beautiful photos and plans.

Check out Ceramic Houses by Nader Khalilli......you may find the process
interesting.


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:16 EDT 1996
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From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>NOMAD29 wrote:
>> I've just taken a job in RI and have decided to have a passive solar home
>> built.  I'm  Looking for a competent architect/solar engineer and builder
>> for the project.  any ideas??

It's a good idea to find an engineer to help.

>> Also I'm seriously concidering a large massonary heater system for the
>> house.  Any feelings pro or con??

Did you say you wanted a "solar" house? :-)

>I've selected a modular home built by Avis America, who participated with 
>DOE and Fully Independent Residential Solar Technology (FIRST) to design and
>build energy efficient homes that incorporate passive solar heating and
>photovoltaics.

Sounds good...

>See Solar Today Sept/Oct 1995.

That sort of house (house 1 below, essentially a Trombe wall house) is fairly
expensive and low-performance, as solar houses go, and needs a separate solar
water heating system. It gets off the mark in a house race, but quickly tires
in the backstretch, in partly cloudy climates, vs houses built with exactly
the same materials, or less expensive materials, in a different configuration.

>A builder in your area is EnerPro Engineering, Inc at 508.677.3533.
>The energy designer is Lyle Rawlings at 609.466.4495.

You might ask Lyle for the isolated gain, isolated store model :-)
 
Nick

They're off!

               Direct        Isolated      Isolated      Isolated
               gain,         gain,         gain and      store
Day            wall store    wall store    store         temp
 
 0             36 F          36 F          36 F          36 F
 1             51.625        51.625        51.625        51.625  
 2             62.06671      63.92594      64.2358       64.2358 
 3             69.04458      70            70            74.41387 
 4             70            70            70            83.32878 
 5             70            70            70            91.93831 
 6             70            70            70            100.2529 
 7             70            70            70            108.2827 
 8             70            70            70            116.0375 
 9             70            70            70            123.5266 
 10            70            70            70            130.7591 
 11            70            70            70            137.7439 
 12            70            70            70            144.4895 
 13            70            70            70            151.004 
 14            70            70            70            157.2953 
turn off the sun...
 15            58.72116      64.11539      70            150.1516 
 16            51.18385      59.24927      70            143.111 
 17            46.1469       55.22536      70            136.1719 
 18            42.78086      51.89789      70            129.3329 
 19            40.53144      49.14633      70            122.5925 
 20            39.02822      46.87101      70            115.9493 
 21            38.02367      44.98949      70            109.402 
 22            37.35235      43.43362      70            102.9491 
 23            36.90374      42.14703      70            96.58922 
 24            36.60394      41.08312      70            90.32111 
 25            36.4036       40.20335      70            84.14339 
 26            36.26971      39.47585      70            78.05479 
 27            36.18024      38.87426      70            72.054 
 28            36.12045      38.37679      66.13976      66.13976 
 29            36.08049      37.96542      60.92326      60.92326 
 30            36.05379      37.62525      56.60962      56.60962 

10 'a house race, among three 8' cube contenders, each having
20 '  R13 walls, one 8'x8' R2 window, and 4096 Btu/F of thermal mass.
30 '  House 1: a direct gain house with thermal mass in the walls.
40 '  House 2: an isolated gain house with thermal mass in the walls.
50 '  House 3: an isolated gain house with isolated thermal mass store.
60 OPEN "HROUT" FOR OUTPUT AS #1
70 PRINT#1,"They're off!"
80 PRINT#,
90 PRINT#1,"               Direct        Isolated      Isolated"
100 PRINT#1,"               gain, wall    gain, wall    gain and     store"
110 PRINT#1,"Day            store         store         store        temp"
120 PRINT#1,
130 'warmup over a long string of average Phila December days
140 RWIND=2'US R-value of window
150 RWALL=13'US R-value of walls
160 C=4096'thermal mass (Btu/F)
170 TA=36'average outdoor December temp in Phila (F)
180 SUNIN = 8*8*1000'average daily solar input (Btu)
190 TM1=36:TM2=36:TM3=36'initialize thermal mass temperatures
195 TLIM=36'initialize limiting temp
200 FOR DAY=1 TO 14'warmup over two weeks of average December days
205 FOR I=1 TO 10000:NEXT'delay loop
210 E1=24*(TM1-36)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-36)*5*64/RWALL
220 TM1=TM1+(SUNIN-E1)/C'new thermal store temp
230 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70'overheating limit in sunny weather
240 E2=6*(TM2-36)*64/RWIND+18*(TM2-36)*64/RWALL+24*(TM2-36)*5*64/RWALL
250 TM2=TM2+(SUNIN-E2)/C
260 IF TM2>70 THEN TM2=70
270 E3=6*(TM3-36)*32/RWIND+18*(TM3-36)*32/RWALL
275 E3=E3+24*(TLIM-36)*(32+5*64)/RWALL
280 TM3=TM3+(SUNIN-E3)/C
285 IF TM3<70 THEN TLIM=TM3 ELSE TLIM=70
290 IF TM3>212 THEN TM3=212'water boils
295 PRINT#1, DAY,TM1,TM2,TLIM,TM3
310 NEXT DAY
340 'coming into the backstretch, a string of cloudy days
345 SUNIN=0'turn off the sun
346 PRINT#1,"turn off the sun..."
350 FOR DAY=15 TO 30'simulate two weeks of cloudy days
360 E1=24*(TM1-36)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-36)*5*64/RWALL
370 TM1=TM1+(SUNIN-E1)/C
380 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70
390 E2=0*(TM2-36)*64/RWIND+24*(TM2-36)*64/RWALL+24*(TM2-36)*5*64/RWALL
400 TM2=TM2+(SUNIN-E2)/C
410 IF TM2>70 THEN TM2=70
430 E3=0*(TM3-36)*32/RWIND+24*(TM3-36)*32/RWALL
440 E3=E3+24*(TLIM-36)*(32+5*64)/RWALL
450 TM3=TM3+(SUNIN-E3)/C
455 IF TM3<70 THEN TLIM=TM3 ELSE TLIM=70
460 IF TM3>212 THEN TM3=212
470 PRINT#1,DAY,TM1,TM2,TLIM,TM3
480 NEXT DAY
500 CLOSE



From robbie@hal-pc.org Tue Jun 18 09:49:16 EDT 1996
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I am looking for information concerning using tilt wall construction
(concrete) for building a residence.  While reading a.a.a. for a few
months, I've never noticed it mentioned.  It seems like it would be a
quick and economical system to get the majority of the structure
built.  
It would seem that foundation (naturally) and walls could be poured at
the site. 
Any information is greatly appreciated.
Robert Segelke



From meir@fiasco.watson.ibm.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:17 EDT 1996
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   From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
   Date: 8 Jun 1996 07:16:22 -0400
   
   PS: Lent 700 ft^2 of 13.9 cent/ft^2 black 80%-solar-absorbing shadecloth to
   the local newspaper, . . .  so they could see how their
   comfort and AC bills change when they hang it over their barn red south wall
   with R11 insulation and 84 ft^2 of double pane windows. 

Why black, solar absorbing cloth?  Wouldn't white reflective cloth
keep the sun "away" and therefore keep the building cooler?

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From wstewart@patriot.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:17 EDT 1996
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Nick Pine wrote:
> 
> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
> >NOMAD29 wrote:
> >> I've just taken a job in RI and have decided to have a passive solar home
> >> built.  I'm  Looking for a competent architect/solar engineer and builder
> >> for the project.  any ideas??
> 
> It's a good idea to find an engineer to help.
> 
> >> Also I'm seriously concidering a large massonary heater system for the
> >> house.  Any feelings pro or con??
> 
> Did you say you wanted a "solar" house? :-)

A home can be passive solar AND have a fireplace.

> >I've selected a modular home built by Avis America, who participated with
> >DOE and Fully Independent Residential Solar Technology (FIRST) to design and
> >build energy efficient homes that incorporate passive solar heating and
> >photovoltaics.
> 
> Sounds good...
> 
> >See Solar Today Sept/Oct 1995.
> 
> That sort of house (house 1 below, essentially a Trombe wall house)

It is not a Trombe wall house.

> is fairly
> expensive and low-performance, as solar houses go, and needs a separate solar
> water heating system.

You'll have to pardon our local eccentric, Nick Pine.  His ideas are the only
ones worth considering.  If you don't believe that, just ask him...

Nick provides a simple (but spaggetti) code exercise that somehow support
his thesis statements.  Note below how many temperatures 'magically' end 
up at 70 F.  The answer is buried in the 'code'.

>                Direct        Isolated      Isolated      Isolated
>                gain,         gain,         gain and      store
> Day            wall store    wall store    store         temp
> 
>  0             36 F          36 F          36 F          36 F
>  1             51.625        51.625        51.625        51.625
>  2             62.06671      63.92594      64.2358       64.2358
>  3             69.04458      70            70            74.41387
>  4             70            70            70            83.32878
>  5             70            70            70            91.93831
>  6             70            70            70            100.2529
>  7             70            70            70            108.2827
>  8             70            70            70            116.0375
>  9             70            70            70            123.5266
>  10            70            70            70            130.7591
>  11            70            70            70            137.7439
>  12            70            70            70            144.4895
>  13            70            70            70            151.004
>  14            70            70            70            157.2953
> turn off the sun...
>  15            58.72116      64.11539      70            150.1516
>  16            51.18385      59.24927      70            143.111
>  17            46.1469       55.22536      70            136.1719
>  18            42.78086      51.89789      70            129.3329
>  19            40.53144      49.14633      70            122.5925
>  20            39.02822      46.87101      70            115.9493
>  21            38.02367      44.98949      70            109.402
>  22            37.35235      43.43362      70            102.9491
>  23            36.90374      42.14703      70            96.58922
>  24            36.60394      41.08312      70            90.32111
>  25            36.4036       40.20335      70            84.14339
>  26            36.26971      39.47585      70            78.05479
>  27            36.18024      38.87426      70            72.054
>  28            36.12045      38.37679      66.13976      66.13976
>  29            36.08049      37.96542      60.92326      60.92326
>  30            36.05379      37.62525      56.60962      56.60962
> 
> 10 'a house race, among three 8' cube contenders, each having
> 20 '  R13 walls, one 8'x8' R2 window, and 4096 Btu/F of thermal mass.

R13 walls are far below the R24 walls that are in the Avis home walls.
The R2 windows ignore the window shade insulation that would be used.

> 30 '  House 1: a direct gain house with thermal mass in the walls.
> 40 '  House 2: an isolated gain house with thermal mass in the walls.
> 50 '  House 3: an isolated gain house with isolated thermal mass store.
> 60 OPEN "HROUT" FOR OUTPUT AS #1
> 70 PRINT#1,"They're off!"
> 80 PRINT#,
> 90 PRINT#1,"               Direct        Isolated      Isolated"
> 100 PRINT#1,"               gain, wall    gain, wall    gain and     store"
> 110 PRINT#1,"Day            store         store         store        temp"
> 120 PRINT#1,
> 130 'warmup over a long string of average Phila December days
> 140 RWIND=2'US R-value of window
> 150 RWALL=13'US R-value of walls
> 160 C=4096'thermal mass (Btu/F)
> 170 TA=36'average outdoor December temp in Phila (F)
> 180 SUNIN = 8*8*1000'average daily solar input (Btu)
> 190 TM1=36:TM2=36:TM3=36'initialize thermal mass temperatures
> 195 TLIM=36'initialize limiting temp
> 200 FOR DAY=1 TO 14'warmup over two weeks of average December days
> 205 FOR I=1 TO 10000:NEXT'delay loop
> 210 E1=24*(TM1-36)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-36)*5*64/RWALL
> 220 TM1=TM1+(SUNIN-E1)/C'new thermal store temp
> 230 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70'overheating limit in sunny weather^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I've never heard of this rule before; where did you come up with this,
Nick?  The thermal store can be far above the ambient temperature of the
room.  This explains why you don't understand the concept of a masonry heater
fireplance.  Do you think that the thermal store is simply going to stop accepting
heat input?

Have you no shame?

> 240 E2=6*(TM2-36)*64/RWIND+18*(TM2-36)*64/RWALL+24*(TM2-36)*5*64/RWALL
> 250 TM2=TM2+(SUNIN-E2)/C
> 260 IF TM2>70 THEN TM2=70
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
More bogus rules.

> 270 E3=6*(TM3-36)*32/RWIND+18*(TM3-36)*32/RWALL
> 275 E3=E3+24*(TLIM-36)*(32+5*64)/RWALL
> 280 TM3=TM3+(SUNIN-E3)/C
> 285 IF TM3<70 THEN TLIM=TM3 ELSE TLIM=70
> 290 IF TM3>212 THEN TM3=212'water boils
> 295 PRINT#1, DAY,TM1,TM2,TLIM,TM3
> 310 NEXT DAY
> 340 'coming into the backstretch, a string of cloudy days
> 345 SUNIN=0'turn off the sun
> 346 PRINT#1,"turn off the sun..."
> 350 FOR DAY=15 TO 30'simulate two weeks of cloudy days
> 360 E1=24*(TM1-36)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-36)*5*64/RWALL
> 370 TM1=TM1+(SUNIN-E1)/C
> 380 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

More bogus rules.
 
> 390 E2=0*(TM2-36)*64/RWIND+24*(TM2-36)*64/RWALL+24*(TM2-36)*5*64/RWALL
> 400 TM2=TM2+(SUNIN-E2)/C
> 410 IF TM2>70 THEN TM2=70
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

More number cooking

> 430 E3=0*(TM3-36)*32/RWIND+24*(TM3-36)*32/RWALL
> 440 E3=E3+24*(TLIM-36)*(32+5*64)/RWALL
> 450 TM3=TM3+(SUNIN-E3)/C
> 455 IF TM3<70 THEN TLIM=TM3 ELSE TLIM=70
> 460 IF TM3>212 THEN TM3=212
> 470 PRINT#1,DAY,TM1,TM2,TLIM,TM3
> 480 NEXT DAY
> 500 CLOSE

Back to the drawing board yet again, Nick.

Cheers,

Will Stewart


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Meir Laker <meir@fiasco.watson.ibm.com> wrote:
    
> PS: Lent 700 ft^2 of 13.9 cent/ft^2 black 80%-solar-absorbing shadecloth to
> the local newspaper... so they could see how their comfort and AC bills
> change when they hang it over their barn red south wall with R11 insulation
> and 84 ft^2 of double pane windows. 
 
>Why black, solar absorbing cloth?  Wouldn't white reflective cloth
>keep the sun "away" and therefore keep the building cooler?
 
Yes, but that black is what I happened to have around... And they plan to put
some transparent polycarbonate siding over their shadecloth in the fall, to
make a huge inexpensive solar air heater. For that, a dark color is better.

For summer shading, black is cool, as long as there is an air gap behind it
and at the top. They would like red, eventually. Shadecloth comes in black,
red, green, gunmetal gray, white, aluminized, sandlewood, etc. Home Depot
sells a nice ~100% black furry polypropylene shadecloth ("landscape fabric") 
that is still fairly porous to air, made by DeWitt (800) 888-9609, for $78
for a 4' wide x 250' long roll, with no hems or grommets, but it would not
let much light in through windows, unlike 80%, which looks like a window
screen from the inside, or makes a moire pattern if there is already a
window screen in place..

Nick



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William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>Nick Pine wrote:
>> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>> >NOMAD29 wrote:
>> >> I've just taken a job in RI and have decided to have a passive solar home
>> >> built.  I'm  Looking for a competent architect/solar engineer and builder
>> >> for the project.  any ideas??
>> 
>> It's a good idea to find an engineer to help.

Or a physicist...

>> >> Also I'm seriously concidering a large massonary heater system for the
>> >> house.  Any feelings pro or con??
>> 
>> Did you say you wanted a "solar" house? :-)
>
>A home can be passive solar AND have a fireplace.

Right... A friend of mine has a beautiful, seaworthy deep keel 28' Cape Dory
sailboat, with a small inboard diesel engine, federally-registered with the
merchant marine as an "oil screw," to reduce taxes and let him clear customs
more easily :-) Would you hang an outboard motor on your America's Cup boat?
 
>> >I've selected a modular home built by Avis America, who participated with
>> >DOE...

>> Sounds good...

Did you say DOE? :-)

>> >See Solar Today Sept/Oct 1995.
>> 
>> That sort of house (house 1 below, essentially a Trombe wall house)
>
>It is not a Trombe wall house.

It's essentially a Trombe wall house, from a thermal point of view.
Direct gain, storage at close to room temp, ritual night insulation...
This has been around since 1881, with variations. It's time to do it better.

>> is fairly expensive and low-performance, as solar houses go, and needs a
>> separate solar water heating system.
 
>You'll have to pardon our local eccentric, Nick Pine.  His ideas are the only
>ones worth considering.  If you don't believe that, just ask him...
 
Norman Saunders, PE, Howard Reichmuth, PE, William Shurcliff, PhD,
William Beckman, PhD, John Duffie, PhD, and Steve Baer make a lot of
sense to me. I've talked with them all. Norman and Steve are American
Solar Energy Society Passive Solar Pioneers, and I've spent a few days 
talking over solar closets with each of them in person. I had the good
fortune to drive Norman from Boston to Lewiston, Maine in February, for 
the Maine Solar Energy Association's Sustainable Building Conference,
where Norman was one of the speakers at the session I moderated on
passive heating and cooling techniques. Norman is amazing. He's 80 years
old now, and he got into solar heating in 1944. At the moment, he's
helping design solar houses in Pennsylvania, California, and the UK.
Of course, he's no Will Stewart :-)

>Nick provides a simple (but spaggetti) code exercise that somehow support
>his thesis statements.

Your CS degree is showing... :-) How many 3rd graders can understand C?
How many CS graduates are willing to understand simple physics, involving
ASHRAE-type R-value calculations?

>Note below how many temperatures 'magically' end up at 70 F.

This is the magic of temperature control by ventilation in the winter...
In houses with thermal stores with  no  insulation between the heat store
and the living space, like yours, you have to live inside the heat store.
So, during sunny weather, if you want to store heat for more cloudy days,
you have to live in a warmer house. How warm a house can you tolerate?
These houses work better if you are willing to let their indoor temps rise
to a high value in sunny times, and walk around in T-shirts and shorts in 
December. I picked 70 F as the upper limit for this sunny day house temp
limit. Perhaps I should have picked 80 F. Are you willing to live in a
house that is 80 F in December? The results don't change much.

>The answer is buried in the 'code'.

Not all that buried...  Compare this to some inscrutable C constructs:

>> 230 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70'overheating limit in sunny weather

>>                Direct        Isolated      Isolated      Isolated
>>                gain,         gain,         gain and      store
>> Day            wall store    wall store    store         temp
>> 
>>  0             36 F          36 F          36 F          36 F
>>  1             51.625        51.625        51.625        51.625
>>  2             62.06671      63.92594      64.2358       64.2358
>>  3             69.04458      70            70            74.41387
>>  4             70            70            70            83.32878
>>  5             70            70            70            91.93831
...

>>  13            70            70            70            151.004
>>  14            70            70            70            157.2953
>> turn off the sun...
>>  15            58.72116      64.11539      70            150.1516
>>  16            51.18385      59.24927      70            143.111
>>  17            46.1469       55.22536      70            136.1719
>>  18            42.78086      51.89789      70            129.3329
>>  19            40.53144      49.14633      70            122.5925
>>  20            39.02822      46.87101      70            115.9493
>>  21            38.02367      44.98949      70            109.402
>>  22            37.35235      43.43362      70            102.9491
>>  23            36.90374      42.14703      70            96.58922
>>  24            36.60394      41.08312      70            90.32111
>>  25            36.4036       40.20335      70            84.14339
>>  26            36.26971      39.47585      70            78.05479
>>  27            36.18024      38.87426      70            72.054
>>  28            36.12045      38.37679      66.13976      66.13976
>>  29            36.08049      37.96542      60.92326      60.92326
>>  30            36.05379      37.62525      56.60962      56.60962
                      ^             ^                          ^
These are simple exponential decays |         So is this ------       
      well-known in heatflow                  But who cares, until it
                                              cools to 70 F?

>> 10 'a house race, among three 8' cube contenders, each having
>> 20 '  R13 walls, one 8'x8' R2 window, and 4096 Btu/F of thermal mass.
>
>R13 walls are far below the R24 walls that are in the Avis home walls.

I suppose your house will be larger than an 8' cube too. This was just
an example of how the same materials can be arranged well or not so well,
>from  a solar performance point of view.

>The R2 windows ignore the window shade insulation that would be used.

True. That's house 2 above, if you cripple it slightly more.

>> 30 '  House 1: a direct gain house with thermal mass in the walls.
>> 40 '  House 2: an isolated gain house with thermal mass in the walls.
>> 50 '  House 3: an isolated gain house with isolated thermal mass store.
>> 60 OPEN "HROUT" FOR OUTPUT AS #1
>> 70 PRINT#1,"They're off!"
...

>> 210 E1=24*(TM1-36)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-36)*5*64/RWALL
>> 220 TM1=TM1+(SUNIN-E1)/C'new thermal store temp
>> 230 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70'overheating limit in sunny weather^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
>I've never heard of this rule before; where did you come up with this, Nick?

That's my guess at how warm a house somebody might tolerate in sunny
winter weather. What's your limit, Will? Another issue for direct gain
houses is privacy, as Kurt Smith of Avis mentions. Or lack thereof, and
the interaction with house temperatures. One can only take off so much
clothing, with all those windows, especially near Washington, DC.

>The thermal store can be far above the ambient temperature of the room. 

A few degrees above, for a few minutes... Recall the half-hour time constant
for these water walls. We have discussed that before, but you didn't seem
to be listening. You are in a difficult psychological posture. Try this:
T(t) = 70 + (80-70)exp(-t/30), where t is in minutes.

>This explains why you don't understand the concept of a masonry heater
>fireplance.

I understand such fireplances, but what do they have to do with solar heating?

>Do you think that the thermal store is simply going to stop accepting
>heat input?

Is this a metaphysical or a physical question? The heat goes in one side
of those (opaque, window blocking?) water walls and out both sides, almost
immediately, heating the room air. This is similar to a person for whom 
ideas go in one ear and out the other. Mark Twain said perhaps such a person
should take out his brain and dance on it, to soften it up.
 
>Have you no shame?

I tell the truth, as I see it.

Cheers,

Nick



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William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>Nick Pine wrote:
>> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>> >NOMAD29 wrote:
>> >> I've just taken a job in RI and have decided to have a passive solar home
>> >> built.  I'm  Looking for a competent architect/solar engineer and builder
>> >> for the project.  any ideas??
 
>> >See Solar Today Sept/Oct 1995.

>> That sort of house (house 1 below, essentially a Trombe wall house)
>> is fairly expensive and low-performance, as solar houses go, and needs a
>> separate solar water heating system.
 
>R13 walls are far below the R24 walls that are in the Avis home walls.

OK. Let's change them all to R24.

I suppose your house will be larger than an 8' cube too. This was just
an example of how the same materials can be arranged well or not so well,
>from  a solar performance point of view.

>The R2 windows ignore the window shade insulation that would be used.

True. That's house 2, if you cripple it slightly more.

>> 230 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70'overheating limit in sunny weather^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
>I've never heard of this rule before; where did you come up with this, Nick?

>What's your limit, Will?

Let's use 80 F as a house upper temp limit, disguised below as:

205 TU=80'upper temp limit for wall store houses (F)

John D. Muccigrosso <jmucci@umich.edu> wrote:
>wstewart@patriot.net wrote:

>| Nick provides a simple (but spaggetti) code exercise that somehow support
>| his thesis statements.  Note below how many temperatures 'magically' end 
>| up at 70 F.  The answer is buried in the 'code'.
>| 
>| >                Direct        Isolated      Isolated      Isolated
>| >                gain,         gain,         gain and      store
>| > Day            wall store    wall store    store         temp
>
>Hmmm, seems to me that the first 3 columns of temps are air temp, or at
>least living quarters temp including walls and stuff. The 70 degree limit
>would then be regulated by the homeowner who opens a window or closes a
>vent (or has some automatic (magic?) mechanism do this) so that the temp
>doesn't exceed 70.

Right. Or 80 F now, as below. BTW, a nice way to do winter ventilation
for a house might be to move open a hinged piece of foil-faced foamboard
with a $50 Honeywell damper actuator that uses 2 Watts when it is moving,
and 0 Watts when in a fixed position, connected to a cooling thermostat.
A less accurate and leakier way might be to use an automatic foundation vent
with some aluminum louvers that move with a bimetallic spring, such as
Leslie-Locke's FV-1B, which Home Depot sells for $11.83. Drill a hole in
the aluminum bracket covering the spiral spring and adjust the spring mount
with a screwdriver so the vent is open at 80 F, and mount it inside-out,
so the spring is exposed to house air.

>If the house gets above 70, that would be nice for those who like it hot,
>I guess, and would make the house cool down to an unacceptable temp more
>slowly, but probably wouldn't be desirable for most people.

Agreed. Here's the race again, with some NREL numbers for Providence, RI...

They're off!

               Direct        Isolated      Isolated     Isolated
               gain, wall    gain, wall    gain and     store
Day            store         store         store        temp
 
 0             33.8 F        33.8 F        33.8 F        33.8 F
 1             44.7025       44.7025       44.7025       44.7025 
 2   House 1   53.4434       54.97771      55.51239      55.51239 
 3   is a      59.8625       63.8481       65.32996      65.32996 
 4             64.57653      71.50574      70            74.24631 
 5   s         68.03838      78.11644      70 House 3    82.60956 
 6   l         70.58069      80            70 is always  90.72779 
 7   o         72.4477       80 The        70 the same.  98.60819 
 8   w         73.81877      80 ritual     70 A good     106.2577 
 9             74.82566      80 thermal    70 house for  113.6831 
 10  starter.  75.5651       80 curtains   70 reptiles?  120.891 
 11            76.10812      80 help       70            127.8877 
 12            76.5069       80 house      70            134.6794 
 13            76.79975      80 2.         70            141.2722 
 14            77.01482      80            70            147.6718 

House 1 one never quite makes it to 80 F, in 2 weeks of average December
weather. I would say house 2 is too hot, but chacun a son chaleur...
BTW, these are max temps for houses 1 and 2. They will be cooler at night,
vs house 3, which could be cooler at night, if it had a setback thermostat.

House 2 now has a fairly respectable RC time constant of 256 hours, and its
performance is not bad... House 1 is much poorer, with about 45 hours.
Will's Avis house might be about 53 hours, including the water walls,
with all the curtains drawn 24 hour a day, IF they work perfectly. 
How much do they cost, Will? And how do air leaks affect them?

Now let's turn off the sun again...

 15            65.27026      75.575        70            143.5775 
 16            56.64535<--   71.56485      70            139.5151 
 17  Houses    50.31143      67.93063      70   Look     135.4845 
 18  1 and 2   45.65995 too  64.63714      70   how      131.4854 
 19  get cold  42.24403 cold 61.65241      70   nicely   127.5176 
 20  very      39.73546      58.94749      70   house 3  123.5807 
 21  quickly   37.89323  --> 56.49616      70   rides    119.6746 
 22  since     36.54034      54.27465      70   out      115.799 
 23  their     35.54681      52.2614       70   almost   111.9537 
 24  thermal   34.81719      50.4369       70   3 weeks  108.1385 
 25  mass      34.28137      48.78343      70   of       104.353 
 26  was       33.88788      47.28499      70   cloudy   100.5971 
 27  never     33.59892      45.92702      70   weather  96.87059 
 28  very      33.3867       44.69636      70   tra la   93.17316 
 29  warm...   33.23086      43.58108      70   tra la   89.50462 
 30  And       33.11641      42.57035      70   ...      85.86474 
 31  house 1   33.03237      41.65438      70   :-)      82.25331 
 32  has that  32.97064      40.82428      70            78.67008 
 33  B I G     32.92532      40.072        70            75.11484 
 34  bare      32.89203      39.39025      70            71.58738 
 35  window.   32.86759      38.77242      68.08748      68.08748 

Looks like house 3 finishes 19 days ahead of the nearest contender,
if you call 68 F and 80 F comfortable interior temperatures.

10 'a house race, among three 8' cube contenders, each having
20 '  R24 walls, one 8'x8' R2 window, and 4096 Btu/F of thermal mass.
30 '  House 1: a direct gain house with thermal mass in the walls.
40 '  House 2: an isolated gain house with thermal mass in the walls.
50 '  House 3: an isolated gain house with isolated thermal mass store.
60 OPEN "HROUT" FOR OUTPUT AS #1
70 PRINT#1,
80 PRINT#1,"They're off!"
100 PRINT#1,"               Direct        Isolated      Isolated     Isolated"
110 PRINT#1,"               gain, wall    gain, wall    gain and     store"
120 PRINT#1,"Day            store         store         store        temp"
130 PRINT#1,
140 'warmup over a long string of average December days
150 RWIND=2'US R-value of window
160 RWALL=24'US R-value of walls
170 C=4096'thermal mass (Btu/F)
180 TA=32.8'average outdoor December temp in Providence, RI (F)
190 SUNIN=8*8*900*.92*.92'average daily solar input (Btu)
200 TM1=TA:TM2=TA:TM3=TA'initialize thermal mass temperatures
205 TU=80'upper temp limit for wall store houses (F)
210 TLIM=TA'initialize limiting temp for isolated store house
220 FOR DAY=1 TO 14'warmup over two weeks of average December days
240 E1=24*(TM1-TA)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-TA)*5*64/RWALL
250 TM1=TM1+(SUNIN-E1)/C'calculate new thermal mass temp
260 IF TM1>TU THEN TM1=TU'ventilate house to limit indoor temp
270 E2=6*(TM2-TA)*64/RWIND+18*(TM2-TA)*64/RWALL+24*(TM2-TA)*5*64/RWALL
280 TM2=TM2+(SUNIN-E2)/C
290 IF TM2>TU THEN TM2=TU
300 E3=6*(TM3-TLIM)*32/RWIND+18*(TM3-TA)*32/RWALL'south wall loss
310 E3=E3+24*(TLIM-TA)*(32+5*64)/RWALL
320 TM3=TM3+(SUNIN-E3)/C
330 IF TM3<70 THEN TLIM=TM3 ELSE TLIM=70
340 IF TM3>212 THEN TM3=212'water boils
350 PRINT#1, DAY,TM1,TM2,TLIM,TM3
370 NEXT DAY
380 'coming into the backstretch, a string of cloudy days
390 SUNIN=0'turn off the sun
400 PRINT#1,"turn off the sun..."
410 FOR DAY=15 TO 35'simulate three weeks of cloudy days
430 E1=24*(TM1-TA)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-TA)*5*64/RWALL
440 TM1=TM1+(SUNIN-E1)/C
450 E2=0*(TM2-TA)*64/RWIND+24*(TM2-TA)*64/RWALL+24*(TM2-TA)*5*64/RWALL
460 TM2=TM2+(SUNIN-E2)/C
470 E3=0*(TM3-TLIM)*32/RWIND+24*(TM3-TA)*32/RWALL'south wall loss
480 E3=E3+24*(TLIM-TA)*(32+5*64)/RWALL
490 TM3=TM3+(SUNIN-E3)/C
500 IF TM3<70 THEN TLIM=TM3 ELSE TLIM=70
520 PRINT#1,DAY,TM1,TM2,TLIM,TM3
540 NEXT DAY
550 CLOSE
 
Nick



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In article 279d20cc@JDHacker.ix.netcom.com, "Dan Hacker" <jdhacker@ix.netcom.com> () writes:
> N.Kitchen@unsw.edu.au (Neil Kitchen) wrote in article
<4oudp5$i70@mirv.unsw.edu.au>...
> I would like any info on designing and building an environmental house:
using innovative environmentally friendly design and materiails.
> 

I would recomend the book:
'Greenhome: planning and building the environmentally advanced house'' 
by Wayne Grady, Camden House, 1993.  

They did very extensive research into the environmental friendlyness of 
_every_ material used.

-Mike

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[Followups to alt.solar.thermal, for the umpteenth time.  Nick wanders away and
we have to gently lead back to his cell^h^h^h^h room]

Nick Pine wrote:
> 
> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
> >Nick Pine wrote:

> >> >> Also I'm seriously concidering a large massonary heater system for the
> >> >> house.  Any feelings pro or con??

> >> Did you say you wanted a "solar" house? :-)

> >A home can be passive solar AND have a fireplace.
 
> Right... A friend of mine has a beautiful, seaworthy deep keel 28' Cape Dory
> sailboat, with a small inboard diesel engine, federally-registered with the
> merchant marine as an "oil screw," to reduce taxes and let him clear customs
> more easily :-) Would you hang an outboard motor on your America's Cup boat?

So sailboats with motors are no longer sailboats?  I have to admit, you continue
to amaze me...  Bought any 12 watt rabbits, lately?

> >> >I've selected a modular home built by Avis America, who participated with
> >> >DOE...
> 
> >> Sounds good...
> 
> Did you say DOE? :-)

Are you hard of hearing?
 
> >> >See Solar Today Sept/Oct 1995.

A publication of the American Solar Engineering Society.

> >> That sort of house (house 1 below, essentially a Trombe wall house)
> >
> >It is not a Trombe wall house.
> 
> It's essentially a Trombe wall house, from a thermal point of view.
> Direct gain, storage at close to room temp,

By what measure?  Feel free to invent things right off the top of your head.

> ritual night insulation...
> This has been around since 1881, with variations. It's time to do it better.

Go do so.

> >> is fairly expensive and low-performance, as solar houses go, and needs a
> >> separate solar water heating system.
> 
> >You'll have to pardon our local eccentric, Nick Pine.  His ideas are the only
> >ones worth considering.  If you don't believe that, just ask him...
> 
> Norman Saunders, PE, Howard Reichmuth, PE, William Shurcliff, PhD,
> William Beckman, PhD, John Duffie, PhD, and Steve Baer make a lot of
> sense to me.

I'll let them speak for themselves.  And a PE or PhD doesn't make a person a 
god, merely respectable, so stop worshipping.

> I've talked with them all. 

That doesn't make you a god, either.

> >Nick provides a simple (but spaggetti) code exercise that somehow support
> >his thesis statements.
> 
> Your CS degree is showing... :-) How many 3rd graders can understand C?

Earth to Nick...

> How many CS graduates are willing to understand simple physics, involving
> ASHRAE-type R-value calculations?

Those who also have electro-mechanical engineering degrees.

> >Note below how many temperatures 'magically' end up at 70 F.
 
> This is the magic of temperature control by ventilation in the winter...
> In houses with thermal stores with  no  insulation between the heat store
> and the living space, like yours, you have to live inside the heat store.
> So, during sunny weather, if you want to store heat for more cloudy days,
> you have to live in a warmer house. How warm a house can you tolerate?
> These houses work better if you are willing to let their indoor temps rise
> to a high value in sunny times, and walk around in T-shirts and shorts in
> December. I picked 70 F as the upper limit for this sunny day house temp
> limit. Perhaps I should have picked 80 F. Are you willing to live in a
> house that is 80 F in December? The results don't change much.

Not that your code can be trusted anyway.
 
> >The answer is buried in the 'code'.
> 
> Not all that buried...  Compare this to some inscrutable C constructs:
> 
> >> 230 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70'overheating limit in sunny weather

You make this assertion but fail to support it.
 
> >> 210 E1=24*(TM1-36)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-36)*5*64/RWALL
> >> 220 TM1=TM1+(SUNIN-E1)/C'new thermal store temp
> >> 230 IF TM1>70 THEN TM1=70'overheating limit in sunny weather^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> >I've never heard of this rule before; where did you come up with this, Nick?
> 
> That's my guess at how warm a house somebody might tolerate in sunny
> winter weather. What's your limit, Will? Another issue for direct gain
> houses is privacy, as Kurt Smith of Avis mentions. Or lack thereof, and
> the interaction with house temperatures. One can only take off so much
> clothing, with all those windows, especially near Washington, DC.

I wasn't planning on going nude where neighbors could see me.  The lots I'm
looking at are all over 5 acres.

You fail to realize that the thermal store can be much warmer than the ambient
room temperature.  Since the water wall will be painted (or papered) a light
color, most of the heat transfer will be from convection.  Do you understand how
to calculate convection?
 
> >The thermal store can be far above the ambient temperature of the room.
> 
> A few degrees above, for a few minutes... Recall the half-hour time constant
> for these water walls. We have discussed that before, but you didn't seem
> to be listening. 

You failed to supply a reasonable calculation.  A little bit of knowledge is
a dangerous thing.  Perhaps you should start another quiz so that you can 
pick up a few more formulas>.

>You are in a difficult psychological posture.

Quack, heal thyself.

> Try this:
> T(t) = 70 + (80-70)exp(-t/30), where t is in minutes.
> 
> >This explains why you don't understand the concept of a masonry heater
> >fireplance.
> 
> I understand such fireplances, but what do they have to do with solar heating?

Thermal mass, silly.  Do you think they are right at room temperature?
How do you think they can continue warming a room for up to 24 hours?
Perhaps you should learn something from one of those people you worship.
 
> >Do you think that the thermal store is simply going to stop accepting
> >heat input?
> 
> Is this a metaphysical or a physical question? The heat goes in one side
> of those (opaque, window blocking?) water walls and out both sides, almost
> immediately, heating the room air.

By what transfer mechanism, convection?  Please show me the calculation.  
You're in new and strange territory here, Nick.  Ohm's law only takes an 
EE so far in thermodynamics...

> This is similar to a person for whom
> ideas go in one ear and out the other. Mark Twain said perhaps such a person
> should take out his brain and dance on it, to soften it up.

*THAT'S* what you've been up to; that explains everything....
 
> >Have you no shame?
> 
> I tell the truth, as I see it.

The former is seldom, the latter, obvious.
 
Cheers,
 
Will Stewart


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In article 279d20cc@JDHacker.ix.netcom.com, "Dan Hacker" <jdhacker@ix.netcom.com> () writes:

> N.Kitchen@unsw.edu.au (Neil Kitchen) wrote in article
<4oudp5$i70@mirv.unsw.edu.au>...
> I would like any info on designing and building an environmental house:
using innovative environmentally friendly design and materiails.
> 

as I said, look at this book:
'Greenhome: planning and building the environmentally advanced house'' 
by Wayne Grady, Camden House, 1993.  

What I forgot to mention is that there is a web page about the greenhome
project done by Art Mulder.  Take a look at:

<a href="http://www.ualberta.ca/~amulder/house/">

---
Michael E. Sherman <shermanE@ct.picker.com>


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In article <4plucs$sbp@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu
(Nick Pine) wrote:

| 180 TA=32.8'average outdoor December temp in Providence, RI (F)
| 190 SUNIN=8*8*900*.92*.92'average daily solar input (Btu)

| 380 'coming into the backstretch, a string of cloudy days

| 430 E1=24*(TM1-TA)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-TA)*5*64/RWALL

Here's what I'm wondering. Shouldn't one really use not a string of avg
winter temp days, but a string of nasty, colder-than-usual, cloudy ones?
Say a week or two of a nasty arctic air mass stuck in your region.

-- 
John D. Muccigrosso                         Department of Classical Studies
jmucci@umich.edu                            University of Michigan


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I am putting together a web site that links to informatio on alternative 
architecture and building materials.  I would love some info on where I 
can find some good sites. 

Please email me at: emerson@aa.net

Thanks,

Todd Emerson


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John D. Muccigrosso <jmucci@umich.edu> wrote:
>(Nick Pine) wrote:
 
>| 180 TA=32.8'average outdoor December temp in Providence, RI (F)

>| 190 SUNIN=8*8*900*.92*.92'average daily solar input (Btu)
                      ^-- these are for glazing transmission loss, BTW.

>| 380 'coming into the backstretch, a string of cloudy days
 
>| 430 E1=24*(TM1-TA)*64/RWIND+24*(TM1-TA)*5*64/RWALL
 
That's for a direct gain house. For an isolated gain house, eg one with
a low-thermal-mass sunspace, on a cloudy day we have lower loss:

>| 430 E1=24*(TM1-TA)*64/Rwall+24*(TM1-TA)*5*64/RWALL
                         ^^^^^--much higher

>Here's what I'm wondering. Shouldn't one really use not a string of avg
>winter temp days, but a string of nasty, colder-than-usual, cloudy ones?
>Say a week or two of a nasty arctic air mass stuck in your region.

Sure. But this is a starting point. It seems to me that one can design a
good sunspace and solar closet house with just two numbers: the average
temp in the coldest month and the average amount of sun that falls on a
south wall. Successive refinements might be to look up the average daytime
high in that month, and use that number instead of the 24 hour average temp,
for the sunspace collection efficiency, to do a TMY2 simulation for the
house, using hourly NREL weather data for a typical meteorological year,
and to do a simulation using hourly weather data for the last 30 years,
>from  one of three $130 Sampson CD-ROMs available from orders@ncdc.noaa.gov.
It seems to me that in many parts of the country, cold days are sunny...

Nick



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William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:

>[Followups to alt.solar.thermal, for the umpteenth time...

Feeling uncomfortable, Will? :-)

>Nick Pine wrote:
>> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>> >Nick Pine wrote:
>> >> >See Solar Today Sept/Oct 1995.
>
>A publication of the American Solar Engineering Society.

My copy says "Published by The American Solar Energy Society."

>> How many CS graduates are willing to understand simple physics, involving
>> ASHRAE-type R-value calculations?
>
>Those who also have electro-mechanical engineering degrees.

I have yet to see one... These calculations are just HVAC craftsmanship, not
"thermodynamics." (Is "electro-mechanical engineering" pinball machines? :-)

>You fail to realize that the thermal store can be much warmer than the ambient
>room temperature.  Since the water wall will be painted (or papered) a light
>color, most of the heat transfer will be from convection. Do you understand how
>to calculate convection?

Sure. I just use an R-value of 2/3. I don't add anything for paint or paper.
Other people go on about Nusselt and Grashof numbers, but the results are
similar. R-values are actual physical measurements that include convection.

>> >The thermal store can be far above the ambient temperature of the room.

Not for long.

>>The heat goes in one side of those window-blocking water walls and out
>>both sides, almost immediately, heating the room air.

>By what transfer mechanism, convection?  Please show me the calculation.  

My NREL data book says about 1050 Btu/ft^2 would shine in your double-glazed
windows over a 6 hour winter day, of which they estimate 710 Btu/ft^2 would
get through the window, and shine on the water wall in your 70 F room, with
a still air film R-value of 2/3 for each side (see ASHRAE HOF, Fig 1, p 22.1),
heating it up to a temperature T, where 710 = 6(T-70)2/(2/3), so T = 109 F.
If the wall contains 4" of water, ie about 21 pounds per square foot of wall,
the RC time constant of the wall is about 2/3/2x21 = 7 hours. These walls
might keep your house warm for several hours, not just a half-hour...

If you close your curtains at 3 PM, and keep your solar house at 70 F all
night by burning wood, by 9 AM the next morning, the water walls might have
a temperature  

T(t) = 70 + (109-70)exp(-18/7) = 73 F.

If the next day is cloudy, and you leave your curtains closed, and keep
your solar house at 70 F by burning wood for the next 24 hours, the next
morning your water walls might have a temperature of 

T(t) = 70 + (109-70)exp(-42/7) = 70.1 F.
 
Suppose you didn't burn wood the first night. As I recall, your house had
an overall U value of about 150 Btu/hr-F. So over 18 night hours, at 30 F
outside, it would need about 18(70-36)150 = 92K Btu to stay warm. The 3300
lb of water walls and 1000 Btu/F (?) of house would need to cool 92K/4.3K 
= 21 degrees F to do that, so in the morning, your solar house and water
walls would have a temperature of about 70-21 = 49 F.

Over the next 24 hours, if it's 30 F outside, and you keep all of the thermal
curtains drawn all day, and they insulate as well as you say they will (who
makes these curtains, anyhow, and how much do they cost?) your house would
need less than 24(49-30)150 = 68K Btu to stay at 49 F, so after another day
your solar house and water walls would be at least 49 - 68K/4.3K = 33 F...

You could do these calculations in more detail, if you desired. 

The results wouldn't change much.

Nick



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In article <4poc1s$9d3@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu>, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu
(Nick Pine) wrote:

| Successive refinements might be to look up the average daytime
| high in that month, and use that number instead of the 24 hour average temp,
| for the sunspace collection efficiency, to do a TMY2 simulation for the
| house, using hourly NREL weather data for a typical meteorological year,
| and to do a simulation using hourly weather data for the last 30 years,
| from one of three $130 Sampson CD-ROMs available from orders@ncdc.noaa.gov.

Yeah, this is what I meant.

| It seems to me that in many parts of the country, cold days are sunny...

Right (having lived in MN where those cold Canadian air masses are often
cloudless), but you would build for a 30-yr (or 10-yr or some other
long-term) low, not for typical winter days, right? (Though avg days are
fine for a quick comparison of types.)

-- 
John D. Muccigrosso                         Department of Classical Studies
jmucci@umich.edu                            University of Michigan


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[followups to alt.solar.thermal for the umpteenth +1 time...]

Nick Pine wrote:
> 
> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
> 
> >[Followups to alt.solar.thermal, for the umpteenth time...
> 
> Feeling uncomfortable, Will? :-)

Trying to reduce the embarrassment you create for yourself...

> >Nick Pine wrote:
> >> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
> >> >Nick Pine wrote:
> >> >> >See Solar Today Sept/Oct 1995.
 
> My copy says "Published by The American Solar Energy Society."

Do you have any problems with this organization, or are they all ignorant
and criminal, too?
 
> >> How many CS graduates are willing to understand simple physics, involving
> >> ASHRAE-type R-value calculations?
> >
> >Those who also have electro-mechanical engineering degrees.
> 
> I have yet to see one... These calculations are just HVAC craftsmanship, not
> "thermodynamics." 

I wonder how many people in sci.engr.heat-vent-ac would consider you an
HVAC "craftsman"...  

Perhaps an understanding of thermodynamics should be your foundation for 
HVAC calculations, as is the normal in engineering schools.  Don't forget 
you are posting to sci.ENGR.heat-vent-ac.  You continue to strip away all 
of my followups to alt.solar.thermal, so you must suffer the consequent 
loss of face.  If you are trying to attract clients, this isn't a very good
approach.

> >You fail to realize that the thermal store can be much warmer than the ambient
> >room temperature.  Since the water wall will be painted (or papered) a light
> >color, most of the heat transfer will be from convection. Do you understand how
> >to calculate convection?
> 
> Sure. I just use an R-value of 2/3. I don't add anything for paint or paper.
> Other people go on about Nusselt and Grashof numbers, but the results are
> similar. R-values are actual physical measurements that include convection.

Convection equivalents are not so cut and dry.  Newton's law of cooling is;

qc = hc*A(Ts - Tf)

where 
  hc= average convection heat-transfer coefficient over the surface A
      in W/m2*K (Btu/hr*ft^2*F).  hc for air, free convection is 
      1-5 Btu/hr*ft^2*F 

  Ts= Surface temp
  Tf= Undisturbed fluid temperature

Because the thermal store wall will be resting on a perpendicular floor, and
will have a perpendicular table top extending 18 inches into the room, I will
assume an hc value of 1 for purposes of discussion.  The wall design is not 
completely set; one design I am looking at is 10'x2.5'x8", which is slightly 
different from 10'x4'x4".  This design would give a storage per wall at 
16.6 ft^3 X 7.48 gal/ft^3 X 8.33 lb/gal = 1041 Btu storage for each degree F 
delta T.  If they are exposed to 700 Btus/hr ft^2 solar insolation through
dual pane windows, then;

Each storage wall will receive 25 X 700 = 17500 Btus during the day.

With 4 walls, that translates to 17,500 x 4 = 70,000 Btus.

Of course each window group has an addition 50 ft^2 of window space that bypasses 
the thermal storage walls, so another 140,000 Btus will enter those windows.

Two more south window groups do not have thermal storage walls (will likely have
storage floors, such as slate or dark tile on concrete),
so 2 x 70 x 700 = 98,000 Btus additional input.

70K + 140K + 98K = ~310,000 Btus of solar insolation input on an average December day
(January and February are higher).

If we want to add in the thermal storage of other aspects of the house, such as
drywall and flooring, we will find that the thermal mass of the house is 
considerably more, though it is at, or close to, room ambient temperature. If the
room temperature is higher in the daytime, then this thermal mass will rise to
(almost) meet the ambient temperature high.  You calculated 4000 Btu/F for internal
secondary storage in an earlier post, so if the indoor daytime temperature is 75 F 
and the base winter room temperature is 65 F, then internal secondary storage is 
40,000 Btus.

If the Ts = 85 F and Tf = 75F (after a day of average sunlight in 
December), then;

qc = 1*50*(85-75) = 500 Btu/hr per storage wall

which, according to your calculation of my house design at 150 Btu/hr F 
(which you admit needs significant rework, I'll address this in another post),
would raise the room ambient temperature, conversely lowering the qc.

As the room and thermal storage walls starts to cool down to 
Ts = 73 and Ts =68 F, for example, then qc =  125 Btu/hr per storage wall

With 65 F being the base winter room temperature, the storage walls would 
still have 32000 Btus of energy left, not counting the wall, ceiling, and floor
thermal storage.

> >>The heat goes in one side of those window-blocking water walls and out
> >>both sides, almost immediately, heating the room air.
> 
> >By what transfer mechanism, convection?  Please show me the calculation.
> 
> My NREL data book says about 1050 Btu/ft^2 would shine in your double-glazed
> windows over a 6 hour winter day, of which they estimate 710 Btu/ft^2 would
> get through the window, and shine on the water wall in your 70 F room, with
> a still air film R-value of 2/3 for each side (see ASHRAE HOF, Fig 1, p 22.1),
> heating it up to a temperature T, where 710 = 6(T-70)2/(2/3), so T = 109 F.
> If the wall contains 4" of water, ie about 21 pounds per square foot of wall,
> the RC time constant of the wall is about 2/3/2x21 = 7 hours. These walls
> might keep your house warm for several hours, not just a half-hour...

I'm glad to see that you admit you can be wrong.  Your understanding of 
convection still needs work, though, because we haven't even touched on Nusselt, 
Prandl, Reynolds, or Grashof.  You'll find fluid dynamics plays a large role 
in convection, free or forced.  Thermal conductivity physics only takes 
you so far in the real world.

Cheers,

Will Stewart


From sellers@psyber.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:20 EDT 1996
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lpotts <lpotts@ls.barrhead.ab.ca> wrote:

>To whom it may concern:::

>Anyone having any information for my husband and I on Cordwood housing.  
>Anything at all. Please let us know on our e-mail address.  Any 
>information would be helpful!!!!!  

Mother Earth News ran a series of articles on Cordwood homes
in the early to mid 70s.  The only thing "unusual" I
remember is the they used mortar at both ends of each log
section, but wrapped the logs with about 8" of insulation in
the middle.

Happy stacking.

Le



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>   From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
>   Date: 8 Jun 1996 07:16:22 -0400
>   
>   PS: Lent 700 ft^2 of 13.9 cent/ft^2 black 80%-solar-absorbing shadecloth to
>   the local newspaper, . . .  so they could see how their
>   comfort and AC bills change when they hang it over their barn red
south wall
>   with R11 insulation and 84 ft^2 of double pane windows. 
> 
>Why black, solar absorbing cloth?  Wouldn't white reflective cloth
>keep the sun "away" and therefore keep the building cooler?
> 
>--
>Meir Laker 

As I understand it, you want deep shade -- which black provides (Bedouin
tents are black, if I recall correctly. Also tightly woven to keep out
sand). This is providing you have: a) ventilation beneath the shade and
b) a surface between you and the shade (like a glass wall) so that the
absorbed heat of the black shade does not radiate to you directly. At
any rate, the point of the shade is to prevent solar radiation from
penetrating to you, while a white shade only reflects some visible
light, end lets in all sorts of radiation (blackout curtains are black
for a reason).

If I'm missing something on this, please let me know, as I've actually
just been thinking about this concept a lot, and it sure is
counter-intuitive.

JMR

93 SL2, blue-green

The foul stench of death is upon us!!! Mmmm...burger....

"What's the use of a good house if you don't have a decent planet to put
it on?"



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From barock@ukans.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:21 EDT 1996
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robert segelke wrote:
> 
> I am looking for information concerning using tilt wall construction
> (concrete) for building a residence.  While reading a.a.a. for a few
> months, I've never noticed it mentioned.  It seems like it would be a
> quick and economical system to get the majority of the structure
> built.
> It would seem that foundation (naturally) and walls could be poured at
> the site.
> Any information is greatly appreciated.
> Robert Segelke

Tilt-up walls usually have little insulation ("R") value.  You would 
likely frame-out the inside so that you could put in R-13 fiberglass 
batts.  Because you are framing anyway, why bother with the tilt-up 
material!

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Audi is sponsoring an International Design Award for an 
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be created by people from different design fields working together. So 
as an industrial designer, I am looking to collaborate with someone 
>from  another design field (graphic designers, film makers, 
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FEEDBACK MECHANISMS 
FOR IMPROVING BUILDING SERVICES DESIGN

Are clients’ needs being adequately met? 

In the UK, media reports of building services installations,
albeit of a number of high profile buildings, suggest room
for improvement. The industry itself would never deny that
there is always room for improvement, placing the resolution
of design, installation and handover issues high on the
agenda.

A new BSRIA research project, ‘Mechanisms for Design
Feedback’ looks at one aspect, and is aimed at providing a
structured, ultimately contractual, approach to informing
the design process through installation, commissioning and
early occupancy.

If you have any information or opinions on feedback, or the
lack of it, in the construction process please contact me.

Do you agree that:
- There are always good and bad points to consider for any
building services installation, but the designer rarely
knows what worked and what didn’t. 
-Current financial constraints have led to designers ending
their involvement with a project as it goes to tender.
· This has distanced the profession from the most important
aspect of their role - a detailed knowledge of how their
designs have been put into practice, the pitfalls as well as
the benefits.
· This is a stumbling block not only to innovative, headline
designs but ‘bread and butter’ work.
· IncreasingBy reducing the opportunities for learning
through experience has important implications for the
progress and management of a project.
· Feedback to designers, during and after building services
installation, would improve the efficiency of the
construction process and the effectiveness of building
services designs.
· A feedback mechanism is therefore required to ensure that
engineers remian involved and that the lines of
communication remain open.
· The means of achieving and paying for this need to be
developed to a standard that may be readily adopted, ideally
as part of a formal contractual agreement.
· There are successful feedback mechanisms in other
industries and other countries. 

The project is supported through the Department of the
Environment’s Partners in Technology programme, with
commercial and industrial partners now being sought. It is
valued at £144,000, and receives 50% of its funding from the
Construction Directorate of the UK Department of the
Environment. Participants therefore receive the results of
high quality research at low cost, as well as a wide range
of additonal benefits.

Replies or requests for more information to Colin Pearson or
Aleksandra Bury at BSRIA on +44 01344-426511.

or look at my web page.
Colin Pearson
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CCPearson



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In article <jmucci-1306960920540001@pm113-15.dialip.mich.net>,
   jmucci@umich.edu (John D. Muccigrosso) wrote:

~~>| from one of three $130 Sampson CD-ROMs available from orders@ncdc.noaa.gov.

	Or http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov , their web site.

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From packrat@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:22 EDT 1996
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Best Sellers wrote:
> 
> lpotts <lpotts@ls.barrhead.ab.ca> wrote:
> 
> >To whom it may concern:::
> 
> >Anyone having any information for my husband and I on Cordwood housing.
> >Anything at all. Please let us know on our e-mail address.  Any
> >information would be helpful!!!!!
> 
> Mother Earth News ran a series of articles on Cordwood homes
> in the early to mid 70s.  The only thing "unusual" I
> remember is the they used mortar at both ends of each log
> section, but wrapped the logs with about 8" of insulation in
> the middle.
> 
> Happy stacking.
> 
> LeCheck out 

	"Alternative House Building" by Chuck Mc Clintock
	"The Complete Book of Cordwood Masonry Housebuilding" by Rob Roy there is also a companion video
		and Rob Roy also runs a school on Cordwood building

Both are excellent books.

If anyone has any other info let me know. Books, sites, articles
Thanks.

packrat


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William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>> >Nick Pine wrote:
>> >> William R Stewart  <wstewart@patriot.net> wrote:
>> >> >Nick Pine wrote:
>> >> >> >See Solar Today Sept/Oct 1995.
> 
>> My copy says "Published by The American Solar Energy Society."
>
>Do you have any problems with this organization, or are they all ignorant
>and criminal, too?

They are good guys with their hearts in the right places, like yours, however,
we haven't seen many 100% solar houses like those of Norman Saunders, PE,
described in their pages lately. Bill Yanda and Steve Baer figure nicely
in their publications. Their technical journal is somewhat clogged with
academics, IMO.

>Perhaps an understanding of thermodynamics should be your foundation for 
>HVAC calculations, as is the normal in engineering schools.

Been there, done that. ASHRAE calcs are more useful and straightforward here.

>>>You fail to realize that the thermal store can be much warmer than the
>>>ambient room temperature. Since the water wall will be painted (or papered)
>>>a light color, most of the heat transfer will be from convection. 

BTW, I think the light color is irrelevant here, unless you are talking about
a shiny metallic surface. Dark colors are good for solar absorption, but IR
emission at eg 80 F is pretty much independent of color. Perhaps you believe
in painting radiators dark colors... I don't think that matters.

>> Sure. I just use an R-value of 2/3. I don't add anything for paint or paper.
>> Other people go on about Nusselt and Grashof numbers, but the results are
>> similar. R-values are actual physical measurements that include convection.
 
>Convection equivalents are not so cut and dry.  Newton's law of cooling is;
 
>qc = hc*A(Ts - Tf)

Right. Ohm's law for heatflow :-)

>where 
>  hc= average convection heat-transfer coefficient over the surface A
>      in W/m2*K (Btu/hr*ft^2*F).  hc for air, free convection is 
>      1-5 Btu/hr*ft^2*F 

That's a U (=1/R) value, and it's hard to get below 1.5 in still air. It
increases if the air is moving to about U = 1.5 + V/5 for smooth surfaces,
U = 2 + V/2 for rougher ones like stucco, where V is in mph. See ASHRAE HOF
Fig 1, p 22.1. You might be able to get U < 1 if you make the water wall faces
shiny metal (U ~ 0.5 for upward heatflow, ~ 0.25 for sideways heatflow), but
that won't work for the side facing the sun, which will impose a lower limit
on the overall U-value of at least 1.5, unless it's a selective surface.
 
>  Ts= Surface temp
>  Tf= Undisturbed fluid temperature

Natch.

>Because the thermal store wall will be resting on a perpendicular floor, and
>will have a perpendicular table top extending 18 inches into the room, I will
>assume an hc value of 1 for purposes of discussion.

1.5 is probably closer to the truth, especially since the floor and table top
will act as conductive fins. Gluing foil-faced foamboard to the non-south
surfaces would help...

>The wall design is not completely set; one design I am looking at is
>10'x2.5'x8", which is slightly different from 10'x4'x4".

OK.

>This design would give a storage per wall at 16.6 ft^3 X 7.48 gal/ft^3 X
>8.33 lb/gal = 1041 Btu storage for each degree F delta T.

OK.

>If they are exposed to 700 Btus/hr ft^2 solar insolation

That was 700 Btu/day-ft^2. Full sun is 311 Btu/hr-ft^2, max, on earth.
                 ^^^
>through dual pane windows, then;

>Each storage wall will receive 25 X 700 = 17500 Btus during the day.

Agreed, for a 25 ft^2 water wall face...

>With 4 walls, that translates to 17,500 x 4 = 70,000 Btus.
 
OK.

>Of course each window group has an addition 50 ft^2 of window space that
>bypasses the thermal storage walls, so another 140,000 Btus will enter
>those windows.

OK. But irrelevant.

>Two more south window groups do not have thermal storage walls (will
>likely have storage floors, such as slate or dark tile on concrete),
>so 2 x 70 x 700 = 98,000 Btus additional input.

OK. But irrelevant.

>70K + 140K + 98K = ~310,000 Btus of solar insolation input on an average
>December day (January and February are higher).

OK. But irrelevant.

>If we want to add in the thermal storage of other aspects of the house, such as
>drywall and flooring, we will find that the thermal mass of the house is 
>considerably more, though it is at, or close to, room ambient temperature. 

That's what we will find, huh? :-) How much? Numbers please.

>If the room temperature is higher in the daytime, then this thermal mass
>will rise to (almost) meet the ambient temperature high.

Sure. Or higher, if it's in the sun, eg the floor.

>You calculated 4000 Btu/F for internal secondary storage in an earlier post,

That was a guess. Your house might have 4,000 ft^2 of 1/2" drywall with a
thermal mass of 0.5 Btu/F, ie 2,000 Btu/F. How much will your solar fireplace
weigh? That would add about 0.16 Btu/lb...

>so if the indoor daytime temperature is 75 F and the base winter room
>temperature is 65 F, then internal secondary storage is 40,000 Btus.

OK, go ahead, double that number, but that's still a drop in the bucket
compared to a typical day's energy need of 24(70-40)150 = 108K.

>If the Ts = 85 F and Tf = 75F (after a day of average sunlight in December),

Is Ts the water wall temp, and Tf the room and wall temp?

>qc = 1*50*(85-75) = 500 Btu/hr per storage wall

Let's see, you said above,

>qc = hc*A(Ts - Tf)

and you said you wanted to use hc = 1, altho 1.5 is a more reasonable min...
So where did the 50 come from? Oh, 2 sides to each water wall, each 25 ft^2.
I guess you'd want to add the perimeter area of 8"/12" x 25' = 17 ft^2, and
something for the floor and table fins? So I'd make this 1.5x67x(85-75) =
1,000 Btu/hr/wall, altho you seem to have pulled the 85 F out of a hat.
Perhaps you'd like to recalculate that 109 F with these new shapes.

>which, according to your calculation of my house design at 150 Btu/hr F 
>(which you admit needs significant rework, I'll address this in another post),

Perhaps you would like to recalculate that. It's your house.

>would raise the room ambient temperature, conversely lowering the qc.

Right. Until you are parading naked :-)
 
>As the room and thermal storage walls starts to cool down to 
>Ts = 73 and Ts =68 F, for example, then qc =  125 Btu/hr per storage wall

What difference does that make? You might rework that too.

>With 65 F being the base winter room temperature, the storage walls would 
>still have 32000 Btus of energy left, not counting the wall, ceiling, and floor
>thermal storage.

OK. I get 33,312 Btu, using your numbers above.
But what's the point of this calculation, Will?

>> >>The heat goes in one side of those window-blocking water walls and out
>> >>both sides, almost immediately, heating the room air.
 
>> >By what transfer mechanism, convection?  Please show me the calculation.
 
>>My NREL data book says about 1050 Btu/ft^2 would shine in your double-glazed
>>windows over a 6 hour winter day, of which they estimate 710 Btu/ft^2 would
>>get through the window, and shine on the water wall in your 70 F room, with
>>a still air film R-value of 2/3 for each side (see ASHRAE HOF, Fig 1, p 22.1),
>>heating it up to a temperature T, where 710 = 6(T-70)2/(2/3), so T = 109 F.
>>If the wall contains 4" of water, ie about 21 pounds per square foot of wall,
>>the RC time constant of the wall is about 2/3/2x21 = 7 hours. These walls
>>might keep your house warm for several hours, not just a half-hour...
 
>I'm glad to see that you admit you can be wrong.

Sure. I miscalculated before. You are building a whole house wrong :-)

>Your understanding of convection still needs work, though, because we haven't
>even touched on Nusselt, Prandl, Reynolds, or Grashof. You'll find fluid
>dynamics plays a large role in convection, free or forced. Thermal
>conductivity physics only takes you so far in the real world.

R-values are sufficient here.

So let's see. Your new water walls have a thermal resistance of 2/3/67 ft^2
and a thermal mass of 1041 Btu/F, so their RC time constant is 10.35 hours,
and your house with the 4,000 Btu/F of inherent thermal mass and 150 Btu/F-hr
with all the curtains drawn has a time constant of 26.6 hours, so if I'm doing
this right, we might figure the RC time constant of your entire house with 
all those ritual curtains drawn as the RMS value sqrt(26.6^2+10.35^2)=28.5 hr.

Suppose we say the average temp of the thermal mass in your house is 80 F
to start with. Then when it's 30 F outside, with all the thermal curtains
drawn in the dark, 24 hours a day, the indoor house temp will be:

T(t) = 30 + (80-30) exp(-t/28.5)

80 F after 0 hours, 52 F after 24 hours, and 39 F after 48 hours.  
 
Still not a solar house by a long shot, I'd say. Altho it could be
dramatically improved by rearranging the same materials... 
 
Nick



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I wrote:

>we might figure the RC time constant of your entire house with all those
>ritual curtains drawn as the RMS value sqrt(26.6^2+10.35^2)=28.5 hr.

On second thought, it's probably more accurate to calculate the steady-state
water wall temp and model the house as having a fixed hold time of a few hours
followed by an exponential cooling with a time constant of 8000/150 = 53 hours.

Still piss-poor solar performance...

Nick



From cgiord1051@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:24 EDT 1996
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Use an Architect!

Please don't build just another piece of crap out of a book.

Thanks


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I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO LOCATE A COMPREHENSIVE EASY TO READ ESTIMATING
PROGRAM THAT IS DESIGNED BY AND FOR GENERAL CONTRACTORS.
IF ANYONE KNOWS OF SUCH A PROGRAM, LET ME KNOW.


From 101475.3102@compuserve.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:24 EDT 1996
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From: thorsten michael loemker <101475.3102@compuserve.com>
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Hi,

I read Peter Rice`s book and for me it is one of the most fascinating books I know. I think it 
is very impressive how he descibes the role of the architect and the engineer working together 
to make extraordinary structures possible. I do not think that it is most self-congratulatory, 
because he just expresses his opinion about engineering and architecture and especially a kind 
of architecture which is not the favourite of too many architects. I was impressed 
about the way he explained his social and cultural background and I think he was just telling 
the story how it happended. If people think it is self-congratulatory, it is maybe just his 
outstanding professional vitae which influences them. No question that he was an extremely 
qualified engineer with the ability to understand the importance of architectural expression. 
Not too many architects or engineers are able to work inter-disciplinary.

Bye

Thorsten




From longrain@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:24 EDT 1996
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Check out "THE NATURAL HOUSE BOOK" by David Pearson.

Aran Kaufer


From mheat@hookup.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:25 EDT 1996
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From: mheat@hookup.net (Norbert Senf)
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On Tue, 04 Jun 96 00:03:28 GMT, N.Kitchen@unsw.edu.au (Neil Kitchen)
wrote:

>I would like any info on designing and building an environmental house: using innovative environmentally friendly design and materiails.

There's a list of links on our site related to sustainable
construction that may be a place to start:
http://mha-net.org/msb/html/msblinks.htm

Best................NS
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From hld4moo@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:25 EDT 1996
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I hate to tell you, but more than likely you will have to HIRE someone to
do it for you.  What you are looking for is pretty specific.  If I do find
anything, I'll let you know, ut please don't hold your breath.


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I bet if the beduin had facilities to silverize their tents, they'd do it.
You're going to have a hard time convinc


From QUCG30A@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:26 EDT 1996
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From: QUCG30A@prodigy.com (Boyd Rose)
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I am looking for Sayed Mohammad Mirimogghadam.  I hope the spelling of 
the last name is correct.  He also goes by "Nemo".

I last saw him when he was studying architechture at a university in 
north Florida.   I expect that he has been a professional architect for 
at least 10 years now.

If anyone knows Mr. Mirimogghadam, please have him contact me at 
qucg30a@prodigy.com.

Tha



From gcbill@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:26 EDT 1996
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From: gcbill@aol.com (Gcbill)
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LOOKING FOR A COMPLETE COMPREHENSIVE ESTIMATING PROGRAM DESIGNED FOR THE
SMALL GENERAL CONTRACTOR IN MIND.
HARD TO FIND.......


From hld4moo@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:26 EDT 1996
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Chris,
give me a holler


From sdavis@onthenet.com.au Tue Jun 18 09:49:27 EDT 1996
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From: Steve Davis <sdavis@onthenet.com.au>
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Someone was asking about compposting toilets the other day.

You can get to a page all about them from 
http://onthenet.com.au/~sdavis/rammed.htm

(find the "Dowmus" link)
-- 
All the best

Steve

==========================================================================
sdavis@onthenet.com.au                     http://onthenet.com.au/~sdavis
==========================================================================

No one is useless: a person with no good qualities can always serve as a 
bad example.


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:27 EDT 1996
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John D. Muccigrosso <jmucci@umich.edu> wrote:
>(Nick Pine) wrote:
 
| Successive refinements might be to look up the average daytime
| high in that month, and use that number instead of the 24 hour average temp,
| for the sunspace collection efficiency, to do a TMY2 simulation for the
| house, using hourly NREL weather data for a typical meteorological year,
| and to do a simulation using hourly weather data for the last 30 years,
| from one of three $130 Sampson CD-ROMs available from orders@ncdc.noaa.gov.

>Yeah, this is what I meant.

OK...

| It seems to me that in many parts of the country, cold days are sunny...

>Right (having lived in MN where those cold Canadian air masses are often
>cloudless), but you would build for a 30-yr (or 10-yr or some other
>long-term) low, not for typical winter days, right?

Right, but... 

>(Though avg days are fine for a quick comparison of types.)

Yes, and for the more complete simulations I've run, I've noticed that
a house design based on daily averages works fine. It usually turns out
to be overkill. Simple simulations allow one to tweak the design a little,
to reduce the size of the required sunspace or thermal store, or decrease
the R-value of the walls or windows, or increase the allowable air
infiltration rate, vs. an average-day design. 

Nick



From tingcc@ms7.hinet.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:27 EDT 1996
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From: tingcc@ms7.hinet.net (DANIEL TING)
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Any one read Peter Rice's 'An Engineer Imagines'?
Please express your opinion about this book or better yet about
Peter Rice.
Is he a good engineer or just a form-suker?

I am translating the book into Chinese......

thanx

daniel
tingcc@ms7.hinet.net


From don4con@imap1.asu.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:28 EDT 1996
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Seeking information on how to prevent solar heat gain through 
1/4Ó white acrylic roof panels while retaining light transmission.  
Possibly some type of film similar to that being used on solar glass.



From earthshp@taos.newmex.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:28 EDT 1996
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Whoever is interested in Earthships, Please say so.

Also, there is an alternative building workshop in Rico, CO the last
weekend of June.



From donald@quoquam.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:49:29 EDT 1996
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tingcc@ms7.hinet.net (DANIEL TING) writes:
> Any one read Peter Rice's 'An Engineer Imagines'?
> Please express your opinion about this book or better yet about
> Peter Rice.
> Is he a good engineer or just a form-suker?
> 
> I am translating the book into Chinese......
> 
> thanx
> 
> daniel
> tingcc@ms7.hinet.net

Yes I've read it and in my opinion it is mostly self congratlatory


From maril2071@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:29 EDT 1996
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From: maril2071@aol.com (Maril2071)
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Subject: Blueprints for Japanese Teahouse Wanted
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I am interested in building a small (4 and one half tatami) teahouse in a
residential area of Los Angeles.

I would appreciate any leads as to where I might obtain blueprints for a
teahouse, or the name of a builder with exeprience in Japanese
construction.

Thank you.

Maril2071.aol.com


From mchenry@unm.edu Tue Jun 18 09:49:29 EDT 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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In article <31BCF377.20E8@aa.net>, emerson@aa.net says...
>
>I am putting together a web site that links to informatio on alternative 
>architecture and building materials.  I would love some info on where I 
>can find some good sites. 
>
>Please email me at: emerson@aa.net
>
>Thanks,
>
>Todd Emerson

You might visit the Earth Architecture Center International site, loads of informnation on adobe and earth wall buildings.

Paul McHenry, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



From rmwefel@mind.net Tue Jun 18 09:49:30 EDT 1996
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From: "Ralph M. Wefel" <rmwefel@mind.net>
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Those Interested in StrawBale Construction:

      LAWRENCE SCHECTER, Architect, is holding a STRAWBALE
CONSTRUCTION seminar for three days, 19 July t0 20 July 1996, 
in Ashland, Oregon, and Colestine Valley.

       For information on costs and locations, call him at:
1-541-582-6332  or  1-541-488-1334.

       ALL ARE WELCOME  !  !  !


From luca.snts@iol.it Tue Jun 18 09:49:30 EDT 1996
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From: "Luca" <luca.snts@iol.it>
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We need anything you know about Michel Kagan and Cité technique (Paris
XIII).
Where can we find books, projects, news and anything else on his life ??
We need them for an exam. We are student in the university of Venice
Thank you
Luca and Tiziana

Our e-mail address is luca.snts@iol.it.






From duckchow@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 18 09:49:31 EDT 1996
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From: duckchow@ix.netcom.com (M J Epko)
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packrat@earthlink.net wrote:

>Best Sellers wrote:
>> 
>> lpotts <lpotts@ls.barrhead.ab.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> >To whom it may concern:::
>> 
>> >Anyone having any information for my husband and I on Cordwood housing.
>> >Anything at all. Please let us know on our e-mail address.  Any
>> >information would be helpful!!!!!
>> 
>> Mother Earth News ran a series of articles on Cordwood homes
>> in the early to mid 70s.  The only thing "unusual" I
>> remember is the they used mortar at both ends of each log
>> section, but wrapped the logs with about 8" of insulation in
>> the middle.
>> 
>> Happy stacking.
>> 
>> LeCheck out 

>	"Alternative House Building" by Chuck Mc Clintock
>	"The Complete Book of Cordwood Masonry Housebuilding" by Rob Roy there is also a companion video
>		and Rob Roy also runs a school on Cordwood building

>Both are excellent books.

>If anyone has any other info let me know. Books, sites, articles
>Thanks.

>packrat

"Building The Cordwood Home" by Jack Henstridge, 1977
ISBN 0-9690175-0-2
Published & distributed by
Saint Annes Point Press
PO Box 691
Fredericton, N.B.
Canada, E3B 4K9

A good bet to be out of print by now. Probably worth checkin', though.

Rob Roy's book is aces. I get to go to a little presentation by him
next weekend at the Renewable Energy Fair in Amherst WI .

M J




From cbiteam@cbiweb.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:49:31 EDT 1996
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From: Darren Foster <cbiteam@cbiweb.demon.co.uk>
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We are an interior design and consultancy organisation specialising in
the Education sector, Housing Association Sector and the Nursing Homes
Sector.  

Please take a look at our WEB site on URL :-

HTTP://www.demon.co.uk/cbi/index.html

>From  this site you can download our brochure which will give you more
idea about who we are and what we do.

If you wish you could EMAIL me at :

tony@cbiweb.demon.co.uk

Or give me a call on 01695 557238.

We are based in the North West of England about 12 miles from Liverpool.

If you are planning an extention to your current facilities or premesis,
give us a ring for a friendly no pressure chat or Email us.  Please
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We have very competitive rates and are capable of working within your
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Thanks for your time reading this Advertisement.

-- 
Darren


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www.venezia@forum

Venice of differences
Values, methods and projects for the city

The presentation of nine projects for the city is part of a 'Forum' 
developed during a course of Urban Design 2 within the IUAV, Istituto 
Universitario di Architettura di Venezia. 
Here we will focus the attention upon some general questions which will 
generate a transversal interpretation of the different projects, to 
explicit the meaning of our work.
The organization of the Forum is based upon the concept of a scientific 
approach to design, referring decisions to a common method and a shared 
set of values, as an answer to specifc questions to the project. A 
scientific method as an opposition to an empirical one in our opinion 
peculiar to a demiurgical approach to design.
Scientificity, in its different expressions within the following 
projects, would mean transparency, readability of the different parts of 
the design process and their mutual relationships, as well as in the 
feedback, retroactivity, the attitude of the project to transformation as 
its constituent elements change.
Concerning values, these could be grouped around four large cathegories: 
social and political coexistence; reticularity, the ability 
interconnected to create sinergy and functional cross-programming; 
ecological and environmental sustainability; productivity, the attitude 
of connecting design aims to economical cycles.


THEMES    @    SPACES

1. Culture factory @  Marittima, Magazzini Generali
2. Culture factory @  Marittima, Magazzini Ligabue
3. Bio-park @  Marittima, ex-gasometro
4. Terminal @ Marittima, ex-gasometro
5. Culture factory @  Arsenale
6. Airport @  Tessera
7. W.V.W.W. @  Lido, ex- Bluemoon

1. Culture factory @ Marittima, Magazzini Generali
The architecture of fireworks
Umberto Ceccarelli, Andrea Pennisi e Martina Telò

The project of a productive compartment connected to the conservation of 
the artistic patrimony of Venice towards a sustainable city has followed 
two parallel directions; one is associated to a renovation and 
conservation cycle for paintings, drawings and sculptures, the other, 
principally related to the collective values of a project for the city, 
of absolute shock and innovation.

The productive cycle of the 'Culture factory', is organized into a fixed 
dimension and a very flexible one. Even though the incoming rate of 
art-pieces from the store-rooms of venetian museums to its Deposit may be 
unpredictable, its total extent is certain; we are talking about 70% of 
Venice's artistic patrimony.
Having chosen the tip of S.Marta's waterfront as an area of possible 
intervention, the long receding row of the Magazzini Generali would 
become the store-place for resting art-works in Venice.

We associate to this fixed, certain and emblematic space the spaces for 
the restoration of art-pieces, beside the Deposit, and the spaces for a 
temporary exhibition of restored masterpieces, placed by the waterfront, 
submerged by collective fluxes of people. These are spaces whose 
dimension changes with time, depending on the number of personnel 
involved in  the restoration and in connection with the importance of 
collective events concerning exhibitions.

The 'Culture factory' should be capable of relating the innovation 
concerning the conservation of art-works with a  general innovation of 
the city; here the project expresses a fracture, a different way of being 
citizens, conscious of the operating cycle of the 'factory' and in a 
position to cooperate towards its equilibrium and  the one of the whole 
city, in the framework of an expo of projectualities proposed to the 
collective.

The 'factory' and the 'expo' then. Architecture, in the former taking the 
role of an envelope which gives form to economical space, in the latter 
emphasizes the dimension of an event: " The greatest architecture is the 
fireworker's: it perfectly expresses the gratuitous consumption of 
pleasure" (Bernard Tschumi,1978).

2. Culture factory @ Marittima, Magazzini Ligabue
The Culture Factory at the Marittima
Andrea Zanchettin, Andrea Zoia, Margherita Rossaro, Marco Terranova, 
Benedetta Rodighiero

The Culture Factory project has a solution for stopping the setting 
process of Venice sources.
The strategy consists in letting enter the artistic and natural wealth in 
a single production cycle. So, Culture Factory will create a new 
productive sector able to increase the value of Venice and its land, 
reinserting in a far-reaching market.

We propose a re-interpretation of the sources, increasing their value.
The cohabitation and the connection between differences become important 
values in the complexity of the contemporary society.
Technology has a new important part in the managment of the social, 
economical, ambiental and cultural variables.

Our project starts with an interpretation of the available sources of 
Venetian reality: bureaucracy congestion and continuos distruction of art 
works threaten the artistic, architectonical and natural wealth.
The strategy includes not only the project, but also several stages aimed 
to start sinergies between interested subjects and to restore unused and 
forgot urban sites.

The Cultural factory works with/on the artistic wealth, with different 
stages: restouring, introducing in a mediatic system and in a productive 
cyclw able to sail the acquired knowledge.

Marittima answer to the Factory needs: pre-existences flexibility,the 
possibility or urban restoure and the low durability of functions.
Different subjects partecipate to the management system, included 
citizens, able to meet in a "FORUM".

The functional organisation is composed of: srorages, working spaces, 
mediatisation area open to privats, a multifunctional area , 
administration offices, exposition area.

We tried to simulate the project impact on the morfology of Marittima 
area: with urban flux, images, connection.
We looked for historic models, studing the connections between logical 
and architectonical language.
We arrived to a comunication strategy meaning the project values: in 
Forum, for example, fracture and opening are expressed with the building 
shape. 



3. Bio-park @  Marittima, ex-gasometro
Multifunctional Bio-park, the diffusion of knowledge
Alessandro Furia, Daniele Gabrielli, Michele Lattini

The project aims at the start of catalytic process of positive 
developement, based on a code of topicals values ("Technological 
Connection", "Social Culture", "Eco-investment"), started by the 
introduction into the territory of a space-instrument able to supply new 
means of interconnection and dialogue, to menage a multi-directional 
process of information and alphabetizzation, to build a functional and 
representative base of the civic eco-abient reinassance. The new 
democracy concept is evident in the creation of the "Forum": the citizen 
is the manager of his future. The strart of the program on the territory 
is mediated by a deconstructive analytical method founded on scientific 
references.
Space - selected area for the activation of the project is the 
ex-gasometer, the unbuilded space become, in this context, the only sure 
element that unites joins flexibility, accessibility, prjectual power 
together with the evocative eco-compatible sense.
The physical structure of the project is based on the superimposition of 
series of layers connected, to the elements of the morphology, on 
different levels.
The layers are: "Mobility Alphabet", "Macro-Morphology", 
"Macro-Elements", "Coriandoli" (pointformed elements on a grid). Every 
layer is defined in terms of relaction characters with the outside and 
with the future projectual map.
The physical distribution  of the program is based on the articulation of 
provided macro-elements such as the pointformed objects in the grid 
(layer "Coriandoli"); the macro-elements and their functions are 
developed in the "Hard Elements Projectual Map", and the objects of the 
layer "Coriandoli"  are developed in the "Soft Elements Eqipping Map".
The superimposition of the two maps build the physical form of the 
project, with an direct relation between the estabilishment and the 
morphology, this relation is stressed in the crossing end experience ways 
and in the distribution of the projectual elements.
The projectual aim, the diffusion of knowledge, is developed on series of 
elements: the ones of the big scale on the "Hard Elements Projectual Map" 
and the ones puntiformed of the grid on the "Soft Elements Eqipping Map".
The whole general line of the project aims to reach the maximum 
information output concerned to urban and global events, connected with 
ambient themes, information technology, different choices regarding to 
cultural background of  urban contest.
The provided structures have been thought to allowe a wider spectrum of 
reinterpretation end functional flexibility choices, with a low level of 
physical longlasting presence.

4. Terminal @ Marittima, ex-gasometro
The Maritime Station: a New landing place for information and managment 
in Venice
Vanessa Grion, Elisa Provasi, Vesna Skabar.

Why the Maritime Station area? Our choice has been suggested by  symbolic 
reasons (such as restoring its meaning of landfall, thus its 
recognizeability), pactical reasons (such as the great availability of 
obsolete industrial and harbour sites to be reconverted) and by an 
experimental purpose such as the attempt to integrate a reality with no 
aptitude towards change  as the Venetian historical building texture and 
the information technologies.

A plan for the Maritime Station area. While proceeding through its 
deconstruction, it has been obvious how  today the Maritime Station area 
looks like a mosaic with disconnected tesserae.This kind of urban 
morphology allowed us to formulate the metaphor on which our plan is 
established : "from the physical places mosaic to the cultural mosaic". 
Starting from this metaphor, we attest the participation of each singular 
factor to the general plan. Through the values that wish a passage from 
the "mechanical" to the "organic" city (these values being 
interconnection, general sharing, emphasis put on knowledge), we get to 
the project which is based on them.The variety of sites and functions 
that characterize the area, becomes a reason of weakness when their 
condition is that of isolation and disconnection both among the parts and 
with the territory. This is a management problem that we propose defining 
by means of a Forum, i.e. an organism in which the different parts 
interact. In addition to that, we propose to re-evaluate the traditional 
meaning of the landfall by turning it to the immaterial. Its nature of 
productive site of the industrial age can also be maintained in its 
significance,but it must be updated towards the experimentation of new 
technologies, heading to the University System, the accessibility to 
which will be easily granted thanks to the introduction of new  
facilities.      





5. Culture factory @ Arsenale
Il piano hard per la Fabbrica della Cultura all'Arsenale
Maddalena Gianello, Chiara Malfitano, Francesco Giuseppe Rigoni, Michela 
Zagonel

The hard plan, or indeed, the urban big scale project, is our work 
conclusion. We had defined the guide-values such as the inter-connection 
and productiveness, the method such as deconstruction and reality 
interpretation, then the following step was to decide the reconversion 
rules about Castello's area, the "Culture Factory" and the Park.

Reconversion of Castello's Area
Studing the city's plan, we found a series of well defined marks which 
converge to San Pietro's Island, so that we fix the main entrance to the 
Factory there. In fact San Pietro's Island is the point from which the 
access to every space of the Factory and to every area of that part of 
the city is more immediate.
According to that, the urban reconversion process expands to all the 
nearby areas of Castello by a system of thematic footpath which lead to 
the hall of the Culture Factory. In such a way, San Pietro's Island 
become a very significant place in which the presence of the hall-info, 
of a park and of the coreografic buiding of San Pietro's church creates 
the best setting for entrateinment and introduction of the tourist to the 
Culture Factory.

Arsenale's Culture Factory
We estabilished the compatibility degree of conversion of each building 
by the use of an abacus. That scheme bases its results on two important 
parameter: adaptability degree of buildings and specific cost of new 
functions.
Park
The Park is the place where functions and activities which can give 
immediate profits are located. That strategy allows to auto-finance the 
conversion of Arsenale's buildings by using money earned by exploitation 
of the Park. 
The logic of the Park is compositively founded on "on theme"strips which 
order Park's structures such as "Eventi" (events) and "Coriandoli" 
(point-like activities) an a coherent scheme.


6. Airport @  Tessera
Forum: Intermodal Multimedial Center
di Marco Astolfi, Giovanni Auditore, Silvia Bertoncini

Values & Technology. The organizational model proposed by the project 
mediates values and technology. Values lead technology, a neutral means 
in itself, to a socially responsible use and, on the other hand, 
technology makes these values lasting through the innovative cycles.

Method. In the deconstruction phase a series of interpretative parameters 
allows the decodification of the present condition, from a chaotic and 
blurred set to a system of qualitatively differential fragments: in this 
way casuality is delivered by means of a hierarchy of values. The 
program, after a selection of goals inspired to the leading values, 
identifies the strategies and the instruments required for their 
fulfilment. The project is the spatial translation and articulation of 
the values knots: Forum, Teleport and Park. Key words are center, 
knoledge, producion and environment. The place is Tessera airport, where 
several kinds of flows meet.

Identity. Venice can gain an identity as a metropolis only if we are able 
to turn its disconnected slivers into a coherent system. Consequently 
center - as recognizable element, as rule formulation place, as 
multicultural multifunctional lodestar able to attract any kind of social 
actor - becomes a basic requirement. Forum is no more a local sized 
center, it becomes the fixed point of a telematic net which allows a 
series of sinergies and global connections.

Self determination. Forum gives a wide range of options to the individual 
and the community, makes information transparent and accessible in all 
its forms, democratizes the decision making process, makes interaction 
with the public administration easier.

Flexibility. A system is flexible when it does not trigger off processes 
that lead to its fast obsolescence. Economic flexibility: Teleport 
coordinates the single local production, supplies medium and small 
companies with shared telematic infrastructures and create a market nook 
for the system. Social flexibility: Forum and Teleport operate for the 
socialization of the fast changes introduced by technology, promote 
permanent education and knowledge as a new form of work. Ecological 
flexibility: Teleport and Park enhance environment not only as an 
exploitable resource, but also as object of production, study, research 
and education.

7. W.V.W.W. @  Lido, ex- Bluemoon
The WorldVeniceWide Web.
The Experience of Space
Eleonora Agnolin, Emanuela Soave, Alessia Tomasi.

The WVWW is a museum: it belongs to the range of projects relating to the 
cultural patrimony of Venice, aiming at meeting both the mentality of 
citizens and wayfarers, and  at showing the implications of entering the 
Third Millennium.
According to this, it has the goal of create a dialectic element among 
the existing ones, so to constitute a source of incentives, inputs and 
reflections.

New values towards integration
The most significant parameters can be defined as the collectivisation of 
technological and tutorial  tools essential to the belonging to the new 
Post-Industrial society and as the overcoming of space and time 
categories that strongly inform the present culture.
These issues can be expressed through Liquid Architecture, that overcomes 
the originary concept of 'stability' in order to propose 'flexibility and 
deformability' in internal and external definition, applied both to time 
and to space.

Method
Starting from the deconstruction of the given situation, the theme of 
museum has been selected, as the most responding to the proposed values.
The transparency of project operations - aimed at granting the need of 
scientific rigour- has involved a severe scanning of the theoretical and 
logical components of the work, of which a simulation through models has 
been done.

Project
It consists in a strategic mix of operations, taking place at the Lido, 
in order to adopt the site's characters, such as 'city', 'seaside', 
'sea', the aim of which is to offer varied services - not only in the  
educational field, but also in the social one - to the whole complex of 
the venetian background.
In this sense, it is not intended as a static artefact, but as a web of 
nodes, both structured and evenementials, having the purpose of entering 
 the present context in order to inject the new principles of space, time 
and relationships. 






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On 24 Jun 1996 10:33:43 -0400, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
wrote:

Yo, Nick! 
10 x 30 x 7 is more like a _camper_ than a mobile home (from one who
currently lives in a 14 x 70 x about 12 mobile home.)

=>Or we might put it the mobile home inside a 30' wide x 70' long x
13' tall
=>commercial plastic film greenhouse to act as a sunspace. The usual
covering
=>is 2 layers of 5 cent/ft^2 polyethylene film, with a 3 year
guarantee,
=>statically-inflated with a 50 watt blower. 
**snip**
 Putting the mobile home
=>inside this $1500 greenhouse would allow more daytime living space,
storage
=>of not very valuable items, rainwater collection, food growing,
sewage
=>treatment, methane production for cooking gas (?), and water
recycling,
=>as well as a place to work during the day.
**snip**

Seems to me it would get too hot to do much in the way of work, except
in the dead of winter.

=>Putting the solar closet under the mobile home means we get some
heat through
=>the floor, which would otherwise be wasted if the closet were
adjacent, and
=>if we open a motorized damper under a floor return, we might easily
get warm
=>air to flow up into the mobile home by natural convection. 

And you would lose the valuable storage space underneath the home,
thus requiring the construction of some sort of outbuilding.

Idea:
What about setting the mobile home against a hillside, framing awnings
over the outward facing windows and door(s), blowing shot-crete over
the whole thing (for strength), and then covering it all with dirt,
blending it in with the contour of the hillside. Might be the world's
first earth-sheltered mobile home.
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Gunslinger <pthom@nr.infi.net> wrote:

>nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:
 
>Yo, Nick! 

Greetings, Gunslinger...

>10 x 30 x 7 is more like a _camper_ than a mobile home (from one who
>currently lives in a 14 x 70 x about 12 mobile home.)

I used to know a couple who lived in a pickup truck... You have more space
than most sailors... I wonder why yours is 12' tall, 8'+ wheels? And how
do you haul that 14' wide thing on the road? Someone was telling me that
there are more mobile homes sold in this country than houses, these days.
I'd like to find a manufacturer who is interested in solar heating them.

>Seems to me it would get too hot to do much in the way of work, except
>in the dead of winter.

Putting some shadecloth over the south wall, rolling up the plastic film at
the edges, opening endwall doors and having a vent or two at the top might
take care of that, leaving this house in the shade cooler than most houses
sitting in sun. One might also cover the flat roof with a single layer of
EPDM rubber, with a 2" board under the edge, to make a shallow pond to keep
the roof at the wet-bulb temp. And divide the solar closet underneath into
two sections, one to stay hot for hot water, and one to stay cool by night
ventilation. The cool part might have another shallow EPDM rubber pond
underneath, and one might pump some of the cool water up into the house
through a fan coil unit.

Let's see. You have 2(14+70)x8' of R11 walls, and 200 ft^2 of R2 windows?
For an overall thermal conductance of 220 Btu/hr-F, which might gain
8 hr(95.5-75)222 = 36K Btu/day at 75 F inside in August in Austin TX, where
the average daytime high is 95.5 F and the average wet bulb temp is 69 F.
This might raise the temp of 60 drums full of water from 69 F to 69 F +
36K/30K Btu/F = 70.2 F every day, before the water cools down again at night.

The $139 all-copper 2' x 2' SHW 2347 duct heat exchanger made by Magicaire
might make a nice fan coil unit, if attached to the suction side of a $20
box fan. It moves 45K Btu/hour between 125 F water and 68 F air at 1400 cfm,
with a 0.1" H20 air pressure drop, so it might move 4K Btu/hr with a 5 F
delta T, ie 70 F water and 75 F air. You'd want a tiny submersible pump to
move about 4000/5/8/60 = 1.6 gpm through a head of about 4'. Hmmm. That's 
about 1 ft lb/sec, and 1 HP is 550 ft-lb/sec, or 746 Watts, so a perfect
pump might use 1.2 Watts for that job. Putting the duct heat exchanger up
near the ceiling would be a good idea, with a thermostat to turn on the fan,
and a gutter and drain under the heat exchanger. 

You might control humidity with a solar-dried dessicant system, eg a nice
triethylene glycol (which absorbs 11X its weight in water) or lithium chloride
pond on the roof, or a thin reinforced concrete floor with some insulation
underneath in the greenhouse, or some sort of vermiculite, charcoal, zeolite,
clay or calcium chloride sandbox, or even a pile of sheepskins somewhere
inside the greenhouse (a wool rug will absorb 23% of its weight in water from
moist air, according to the ASHRAE HOF), all exposed to the sun and vented
outside during the day, and washed with house air at night.  

>=>Putting the solar closet under the mobile home means we get some
>=>heat through the floor, which would otherwise be wasted if the closet were
>=>adjacent, and if we open a motorized damper under a floor return, we might
>=>easily get warm air to flow up into the mobile home by natural convection. 
 
>And you would lose the valuable storage space underneath the home,
>thus requiring the construction of some sort of outbuilding.

Like a 30' wide x 100' long x 15' tall commercial plastic film greenhouse
to enclose your mobile home, costing $2K, requiring 1 day for 3 people to
set up, from scratch? :-)

>Idea:
>What about setting the mobile home against a hillside, framing awnings
>over the outward facing windows and door(s), blowing shot-crete over
>the whole thing (for strength), and then covering it all with dirt,
>blending it in with the contour of the hillside. Might be the world's
>first earth-sheltered mobile home.

I wouldn't call that very "mobile" :-) You might hump up the flat roof with
some soil first, to make it stronger. And put some sort of insulation over
the shotcrete, perhaps, and a layer of EPDM rubber over that. Putting some
large rocks on top of the soil might make for an interesting vaulted stone
ceiling inside your underground mobile home, if you removed the roof and soil
after the concrete set. You might want to consult an architect re aesthetics.

I like Monolithic Domes (800) 608-0001, which are made by inflating an
airform (like a tennis court cover), spraying the inside with 3" of urethane
foam, wiring up some rebar, and spraying the inside with 2" of shotcrete...
These can be wonderful passive solar structures, as well as fireproof,
tornadoproof, fast and cheap. They have been building these things up to 
260' hemispheres so far, for 20 years now, and they are working on plans for
1200' hemispheres. At last year's convention, someone asked whether he
could bury one under 60' of dirt. The answer was yes. Oddly enough,
nobody asked why.

Nick

It's a snap to save energy in this country. As soon as more people become
involved in the basic math of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as
intellectual, grasp on how a house works, solution after solution will appear.

					  Tom Smith 


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Okay...

So I find out that the land I am interested in has doubled in price -
rather than giving up on my dream house/location, i am interseted in
scaling back my dream from the roughly $85-$90 per sq. foot cost of a
custom stick-built to something more affordable.  I see a couple
options:

Manufactured
Modular

I have been opposed to manufactured housing for many years, both from
an aesthetic value (or lack thereof), and possible quality problems.
I know nothing about modular homes except they are of a higher quality
and cost about $50-$55/sq. ft as a finsihed product.

I am looking for ANY words of warning, caveates, experiences, etc..
that might make my experience more tolerable - can one add on to a
modular. how far can they be transported prior to falling apart, what
materials are used, etc...

e-mail is fine
=================================================
Scott Thompson
PO 19179
Portland, OR 97280


From PURC072@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu Sun Jul  7 14:40:28 EDT 1996
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I lived in a log home for nearly 10 years and found it to be very little
upkeep.  One thing I did have to do about every three or four years was
to recalk the logs to prevent water leakage.  I had the kind of logs that
were only rounded on the outside, in other words flat on three sides.  I
dont know if it had to do with house settling or maybe my poor calking
skills but I did get gaps in the calk a couple of years after each application.
Not a big deal but something to look out for.
 
 
In article <31CF41DE.2417@ix.netcom.com>
Saad Mir <mirs@ix.netcom.com> writes:
 
>I am considering buying a LOG home in a rural setting near Dallas.  If anyone owns or
>has owned a LOG home please share any insights on what to look for when inspecting
>this house.
>
>It is a 2 story home. 2nd story is wood siding and bottom is a complete LOG structure
>with a slab foundation.  Interior is all wood.  The house is sitting on acerage in a
>very small rural community surrounded by farms and woods.
>
>thanx in advance for any help and suggestions,
>
>--Saad
>  mirs@ix.netcom.com


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In article <31cfc43f.615819@news.nr.infi.net>,
   pthom@nr.infi.net (Gunslinger) wrote:
>On 24 Jun 1996 10:33:43 -0400, nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
>wrote:
>
>Idea:
>What about setting the mobile home against a hillside, framing awnings
>over the outward facing windows and door(s), blowing shot-crete over
>the whole thing (for strength), and then covering it all with dirt,
>blending it in with the contour of the hillside. Might be the world's
>first earth-sheltered mobile home.

not the first,  its common practice to use a mobile home as an 'insert' into a 
concrete lined cave or hole.  it greatly simplefies design considerations, 
but, it does constrain you to live in a mobile home floorplan (cheap or custom 
is allways a tradeoff).

da


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>From  this afternoon's email...

>Awhile ago (May 8, to be exact) you posted in alt.energy.renewable a 
>comparison of a high-mass sunspace to a very low-mass sunspace.  I like the
>idea of the low-mass alternative with a solar closet in a well insulated
>part of the house.

OK...

>In the post your calculations are based on maintaining the sunspace at 80F
>during the day.  You also mention that the water in the solar closet starts
>out at 130F and cools to 80F as its heat is needed to maintain the house
>temperature.  My question is, how does the water get up to 130F?  

The solar closet has an air heater on the south insulated side, so the sun
shines through the sunspace glazing, then through the solar closet air heater
glazing, and heats up the air inside the closet air heater to about 130 F. 

>I assume there is some kind of heat exchanger transferring the heat in the
>80F sunspace air to the water in the solar closet. 

No. There's no air exchange between the sunspace and solar closet, just sun, 
passing through the sunspace, then thru the solar closet glazing. A lot of
people seem to miss this. Perhaps it needs a better explanation. 

>As I understand it, the sunspace air must be allowed to get hotter than 130F
>at some time to get an efficient energy transfer.

No. Take a look at this two dimensional version:

           S1              S2               S3
32 F       |     T1        |       T2       |       70 F
outdoors   |               |                |       house
           |               |                |
1 ft^2 of  |    1 ft^2 of  |  1 ft^2 of R10 |
R1 glazing |    R1 glazing |         wall...|
           |               |                |
           |               |                |
1200 Btu   |    sunspace   |  solar closet  |
per ft^2   |               |                |
of sun over|               |                |
a 6 hour   |               |                |
day -->    |               |                |
           |               |                |
 
If surface S2 were dark-colored, with an infinite R-value, so there were no
other place for the solar energy to go, the average 200 Btu/hour of sun would
raise temperature T1 until all the heat that came into the S1 glazing went
back out through the glazing, so 200 = (T1-32)x1ft^2/R1, or T1 = 232 F. Right?

Now suppose S2 is perfectly transparent, with an R-value of 1, and S3 is dark,
with an R-value of 10. What will T2 be? Here's the electrical analog:

     ------------
 |  | 200 Btu/hr |
||--|   ----->   |-------     (The sun is a current source.)
 |  |            |       |
     ------------        |
                         |
32 F ---www--------www---------www--- 70 F
        R1    |    R1    |     R10
             80 F        T2

Say enough hot air is bled out of the sunspace into the house to keep the
sunspace at 80 F. Then we have 200 = (T2-80)1 ft^2/R1 + (T2-70)1ft^2/R10,
ie 200 = T2 - 80 + 0.1T2 - 7, ie 287 = 1.1T2, or T2 = 261 F, so you see the
solar closet can be a lot warmer than the sunspace, when there is no air
exchange between them, just sun passing through one space and into the other.

If each glazed surface were perfectly transparent, and there were N panes
of glass, each having an R-value of 1 (counting the still air film), and the
last surface were perfectly insulated, the temperature T in the last space
would be such that 200 = (T-32)/N, ie T = 32 + 200N. You can see something
like this if you put an oven thermometer on the lawn on a sunny day and cover
it with a few panes of glass, eg a few old storm windows. The thermometer
goes up to a few hundred degrees quickly, and the grass quickly turns brown.
The same thing happens inside a solar water heating panel on the roof, if
the pump fails, which is called "collector stagnation." 

Nick



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In article <31d01586.4718826@news.pcc.edu>, tsthomp@teleport.com 
says...
>
 can one add on to a
>modular. how far can they be transported prior to falling apart, what
>materials are used, etc...
>

There have been many advances in modular and manufactured homes in the 
past 
few years. Check out Popular Science (popsci.com) or Discover, I know 
both 
of those have had articles on them. Pop.Sci. had an article on a 
"mobile" 
home design for a two story house; the top module had pantographs on 
both 
sides of its chassis, which scissored it up into the air, whereupon the 
first floor would be pulled underneath it, and the two securely bolted 
together.

 
>e-mail is fine
>=================================================
>Scott Thompson
>PO 19179
>Portland, OR 97280



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tsthomp@teleport.com (Scott Thompson) wrote:
>
> Okay...
> 
> So I find out that the land I am interested in has doubled in price -
> rather than giving up on my dream house/location, i am interseted in
> scaling back my dream from the roughly $85-$90 per sq. foot cost of a
> custom stick-built to something more affordable.  I see a couple
> options:
> 
> Manufactured
> Modular
> 
> I have been opposed to manufactured housing for many years, both from
> an aesthetic value (or lack thereof), and possible quality problems.
> I know nothing about modular homes except they are of a higher quality
> and cost about $50-$55/sq. ft as a finsihed product.
> 
> I am looking for ANY words of warning, caveates, experiences, etc..
> that might make my experience more tolerable - can one add on to a
> modular. how far can they be transported prior to falling apart, what
> materials are used, etc...
> 
> e-mail is fine
> =================================================
> Scott Thompson
> PO 19179
> Portland, OR 97280
 
Scott, 
  I've been in construction bus. 30 yrs and worked for modular
Home builder for 5 yrs, and am living in a modular home. I'm now 
working in "stick-built" end of the business-so I'm not 
plugging a product when I reccommend you check out modular home
 builders.

  No one knows my home is modular until I tell them-these are 
not "Mobile Homes". They have to meet all the building codes
for all the places they ship too--which frequently exceed your
local codes.  The parts built in the factory are inspected and
certified by independent inspectors (probably more knowledgable
and thourough than an underpaid rural inspector might be).

   As far as falling apart--these "boxes" are built to withstand 
transportation and lifting with a crane to be set in place on 
full foundations. We used to say our houses were "road tested 
at 60 miles per hour".  I'd rather be in a modular-factory built
home during an earth-quake than in the average stick-built.
   Any reputable modular manufacture will show you homes in your area.
Some thing to check:

1.  How long has this company been in business?

2.  Who actually assembles and finishes your home on the site?
  (called "zipping it up")?  If this is an independent 
contractor?--be sure to check him out as well--The modular company 
may work with several builder/dealers in your area.

3.  Be sure to add up ALL the finishing/hooking up costs.

4.  Be sure your financial co is familiar with working with 
modulars--you can actually save on construction financing interest 
-because your building time from start to move-in can be so 
much faster--if your contractor and schedualing is carefully 
controlled (my home was started in the factory the middle of 
April and we moved in 1st of June,back in 1984).

Good Luck
B.W. Smith  







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    Speaking of mobile homes - -   doesn't it seem as if every
realtor-dominated zoning board in America decided long ago to make
sure nobody could actually build any REALLY cheap housing?  <sigh>
 
    



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chita@adnc.com wrote:
> 
>     Speaking of mobile homes - -   doesn't it seem as if every
> realtor-dominated zoning board in America decided long ago to make
> sure nobody could actually build any REALLY cheap housing?  <sigh>
> 
> 
Have you ever been in a trailer home once the winds reach 50+mph.  It 
sounds like a tornado is right overhead.

Maybe what should be done is to design trailer homes to be more 
comfortable and not so easily moved in high winds.  

BTW I don't think that Mother Nature really likes trailer homes.  Just 
check the news the next time a tornado or straight line winds hits an 
area.

Modular homes though do seem a bit better constructed and secured than 
and trailer home I have ever seen.


From plsbss01.lkrofka@eds.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:31 EDT 1996
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Saad Mir wrote:
> 
> I am considering buying a LOG home in a rural setting near Dallas.snip
> 
> It is a 2 story home. 2nd story is wood siding and bottom is a complete LOG structure
> with a slab foundation.  Interior is all wood.  The house is sitting on acerage in a
> very small rural community surrounded by farms and woods.
> 

This home wouldn't happen to be near Weston, TX, would it? If it is let 
me know because I know some things about it that you need to know before 
you even considering buying.
-- 
Liz Krofka	GMAC Information Warehouse - EDS
		Plano, TX	
================================================
Is there life out there?


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Imma Lurken,,,, (msmunster@usa.pipeline.com) wrote:

: >Do you guys HAVE to requote the *ENTIRE* scam message????  By doing so  
: >you are just propagating the orignal post over and over. 

: Well Patrick,  we're just trying to get along you know...???? It doesn't
: take alot of effort on anyones part to scroll down to the end of the
: post....now, take a deep breath and relax and say after me....I will not
: flame people in the nice newsgroup who are trying to help others..  Now!!!

First, it was not meant as a flame.  Second, apparently you did not look 
at how long the original scam message was, or you would know it took a 
little time to find the end of it.  And third, it also doesn't take a lot 
of effect to edit down messages when you reply to them, does it?

Patrick Timlin  	 ptimlin@lynx.dac.neu.edu
                   or
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Subject: Sustainable Construction in Tidewater, Virginia
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I need help identifying homes/buildings in Tidewater, Virginia
where sustainable technologies are incorporated (such as
passive solar design and/or active solar devices, wind energy
and recycled building materials).


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I need help identifying homes/buildings in Tidewater, Virginia
where sustainable technologies are incorporated (such as
passive solar design and/or active solar devices, wind energy,
innovative and recycled building materials).


From tcahill@cyberhighway.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:32 EDT 1996
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chita@adnc.com wrote:

>    Speaking of mobile homes - -   doesn't it seem as if every
>realtor-dominated zoning board in America decided long ago to make
>sure nobody could actually build any REALLY cheap housing?  <sigh>
> 
...or contractor-dominated.  The late author/builder  Ken Kern, 
et.al. dealt with this issue in his 1978 book " The Owner-Builder and
The Code".   We are considered a nation of home-owners but how many
really OWN their home as opposed to "renting" it from the bank, 
hoping a rising market will net them some equity.  Soon - a nation 
of maids, janitors, and renters.    





From scot@nando.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:30 EDT 1996
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From: Scot <scot@nando.net>
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 tsthomp@teleport.com (Scott Thompson) wrote:
 >
 > Okay...
 > 
 > So I find out that the land I am interested in has doubled in price -
 > rather than giving up on my dream house/location, i am interseted in
 > scaling back my dream from the roughly $85-$90 per sq. foot cost of a
 > custom stick-built to something more affordable.  I see a couple
 > options:
 > 
 > Manufactured
 > Modular
 > 
 > I have been opposed to manufactured housing for many years, both from
 > an aesthetic value (or lack thereof), and possible quality problems.
 > I know nothing about modular homes except they are of a higher quality
 > and cost about $50-$55/sq. ft as a finsihed product.
 > 
 > I am looking for ANY words of warning, caveates, experiences, etc..
 > that might make my experience more tolerable - can one add on to a
 > modular. how far can they be transported prior to falling apart, what
 > materials are used, etc...
 > 
 > e-mail is fine
 > =================================================
 > Scott Thompson
 > PO 19179
 > Portland, OR 97280

Scott, 

We went through the same process this last year.  Bought the land and 
looked at site-stick built, modular, and manufactured houses.  We quickly 
narrowed it down to site built and modular.  We did not discount the 
manufactured because of quality, but because we could not find a 
manufactured house contractor we felt comfortable with.  

After looking very closely at a number of houses built by both site-built 
and modular, and after visiting the modular factory, we went modular.  I 
would say you really need to visit a factory to see how they are built. 
The other advise you've received about checking the zipping up 
contractors and the other site costs is _very_ good advice.  We 
eliminated one builder because the general contractor for zipping up was 
of poor quality although the houses themselves were well-built.

The structure of our home is actually better built than almost all the 
site built houses we looked at.  We are two weeks from closing right now 
and are very pleased.  The basic house is 1850 sq feet two story, 2x6 
exterior walls with R19, 2x10 floor joists on 16" centers (short span 
because of 14' modular width), fully sheathed with 1/2 plywood.  The roof 
strucure is fairly normal, 5/12 slope, rafter and ceiling joist with an 
extra section at the peak that framed a little differently. 

I was very concerned about the quality of finish work that would be done 
both at the factory and on site.  So far so good, only a couple of minor 
drywall cracks during transport and set (that was amazing to me) and the 
site work has been very good.  Absolutely the only way anyone would ever 
know that this is not a site built home is that one wall on the inside is 
2x6 (the mateing wall).  But even here, there are clear spans of 14 feet 
that are fully supported by beams that are concealed in the ceiling.

So, do your home work, find the house that you like and can afford, but 
don't discount a house just because it is modular. IMHO they can be a 
good deal.  BTW, in our experience, it has been less expensive by abount 
7-9%, depending on builder and construction time, for in our case, the 
builder is carrying the construction loan since it will only hold it for 
about 5 weeks.


Scot Thomas
Raleigh, NC  


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Do I Look Stupid? wrote:
> 
> Francois R Perreten wrote:
> >
> > IMPORTANT:
> >
> > THIS IS NOT A RIP-OFF OR ANY TYPE OF SCAM. IT IS LEGAL,
> > AND BEST OF ALL THE RISK IS ONLY 5 DOLLARS.
> >
> > Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take
> > two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make
> > some serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt,  ready
> > to do almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those
> > bill collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass
> > of your favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this
> > interesting, exciting find!
> >    Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right!
> > I found it! And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those
> > schemes like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope
> > stuffing scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. I
> > have tried every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the
> > past 12 years. I somehow got on mailing lists for people looking
> > to make money (more like 'desperate stupid people who will try
> > anything for money!').  Well,  when I was a teenager,  these
> > claims to 'get me rich quick' sounded irresistible! I would shell
> > out $14.95 here, $29.95 there, $24.95 here, and another $49.95
> > there.  I had maxed out my new Circuit City Card AND my Visa...I
> > was desperate for money!!  So, I gave them all a chance but
> > failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some people,
> > but not for me.  Eventually, I just tossed that JUNK MAIL in the
> > trash when I got the mail.  I recognized it right away.  I can
> > smell a money scam from a mile away these days,  SO I THOUGHT....
> > I thought I could sniff out a scam easily.  WAS I WRONG!!
> > ..I LOVE THE INTERNET!!!
> >
> >    I was scanning thru a NEWSGROUP and saw an article stating to
> > GET CASH FAST!!  I thought...."Here on the Internet??  Well, I'll
> > just have to see what schemes could possibly be on the internet."
> > The article described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY
> > TEN PEOPLE AND MAKE $50, 0000 IN CASH WITHIN 4 WEEKS!  Well,
> > the more I thought about it, the more I became very curious. Why?
> > Because of the way it worked AND BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME
> > TEN DOLLARS (AND TEN STAMPS), THAT'S ALL I EVER PAY....EVER!!
> >
> >    Ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe an tough amount to reach,
> > but it was possible.  I knew that I could at least get a return
> > of $1,000 or so.  So I did it!! As per the instructions in the
> > article, I mailed out ('snail mail'for you e-mail fanatics) a
> > single dollar bill to each of the ten people on the list that
> > was contained in the article.  I included a small note, with the
> > dollar, that stated "Please Add Me To Your List."  I then removed
> > the first position name of the ten names listed and moved
> > everyone up one position, and I put my name in position ten of
> > the list.  This is how the money starts rolling in!  I then took
> > this revised article now with my name on the list and REPOSTED IT
> > ON AS MANY NEWSGROUPS AND LOCAL BULLETIN BOARD
> > MESSAGE AREAS THAT I KNEW.  I then waited to watch the money
> > come in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or
> > so....
> > But what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!!  I
> > knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people
> > all over the world-Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even
> > some from Australia!  I tell you, THAT WAS EXCITING!!  So how
> > much did I get in total return?  $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I
> > received a total of $23,343!!!  I couldn't believe it!!
> >
> >    I now have a brand new black Acura Integra to speak for, due
> > to this!! Now after almost 8 months, I am ready to do it again!!!
> > So maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, I don't know,
> > but  IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL!  You
> > must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think
> > of!  The more postings you achieve will determine how much cash
> > will arrive in your very own mailbox!!  It's just too easy to
> > pass up!!!
> >
> >    Let's review the reasons why you should do this:  The only
> > cost factors are for the ten stamps, the 10 envelopes and the 10
> > one dollar bills that you send out to the listed names by snail
> > mail (US Postal Service Mail).  Then just simply repost the
> > article (WITH YOUR NAME ADDED) to all the newsgroups and local
> > BBS's you can.  Then sit back and, (ironically), enjoy walking
> > (you can run if you like! :o  ) down your driveway to your
> > mailbox and scoop up your rewards!!  We all have ten dollars to
> > put into such an easy effortless investment with SPECTACULAR
> > REALISTIC RETURNS OF $15,000 to $25,000 in about 3-5 weeks!  So
> > HOLD OFF ON THOSE LOTTERY NUMBERS FOR TODAY,EAT AT
> > HOME TONIGHT INSTEAD OF TAKEOUT FROM McDONALDS AND
> > INVEST TEN  DOLLARS IN THIS AMAZING MONEY MAKING SYSTEM
> > NOW!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE!!
> >
> >    So how do you do it exactly, you ask?  I have carefully
> > provided the mostdetailed, yet straightforward instructions on
> > how to easily get this underway and get your cash on its way.
> > SO, ARE YOU READY TO MAKE SOME CASH!!!?? HERE WE GO!!!
> >
> > *** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE. ***
> >
> > OK,  Read this carefully.  Get a printout of this information,
> > if you like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed.
> >
> > INSTRUCTIONS:
> >
> > 1.  Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following:
> > "Please add my name to your list".  This creates a service out
> > of this money making system and thus making it completely legal.
> > You are not just randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are
> > paying one dollar for a legitimate service.  Make sure  you
> > include your name and address.  I assure you that,  again,  this
> > is completely legal!  For a neat little twist, also write what
> > slot their name was in: "You were in slot 3",  Just to add a
> > little fun!  This is all about having fun and making money at
> > the same time!
> >
> > 2.  Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill ,(no
> > checks or money orders), and put them into an envelope and send
> > it on its way to the ten people listed.  The folding of the
> > paper around the bill will insure its arrival to its recipient.
> > THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!!
> >
> > 3.  Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING
> > TO YOUR MAILBOX.   Look at the list of ten people;  remove the
> > first name from position one and move everyone on the list up
> > one slot on the list.  Position 2 name will now move to the
> > position 1 slot ,  position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will
> > be be 3, 5 wil be 4......  Now put your name, address, zipcode AND
> > COUNTRY in position 10, the bottom position on the list.
> >
> > 4.  Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local
> > bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible.  Give
> > a catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!!  Such as:
> > "NEED FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF
> > YOUR DEBTS??",  etc.  And the more uploads, the more money you
> > will make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will
> > make too.  LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER AND BY PUTTING
> > FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!!
> > You'll reap the benefits, believe me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads
> > you'll post, such as 15-20 postings or more!  Always have a goal in mind!!!
> > If you can UUE encode the file when uploading,  that will make it easier for the
> > people to receive it and have it downloaded to their hard drive.  That way
> > they get a copy of the article right on their computer without
> > hassles of viewing and then saving the article from the File menu.
> > Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text file. The
> > best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's
> > Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins
> > look right without making the screen slide left or right when at
> > the ends of the sentences, you're in business!
> >
> > 5.  If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS,
> > or "POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file,
> > tell them who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE
> > GLAD TO HELP.  I would try to describe how to do it but there are
> > simply too many internet software packages with slightly different
> > yet relatively simple ways to post or upload a file.  Just ask for
> > help or look in the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for
> > GNN, you simply select 'POST' then enter a catchy description
> > under the subject box, choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT
> > 'TXT', then choose 'Browse' to go look for the file. Find your
> > text file CASH.TXT and click on it and choose 'OK'.  Place a one
> > line statement in the main body section of the message post
> > screen. Something like "Download this to read how to get cash
> > arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever. Just make
> > sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something like...
> > "Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!"
> > You'll never get ANY responses!
> >
> > 6.  And this is the step I like.  JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE
> > BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!!  Expect to see a little money
> > start to trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE
> > MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it
> > out of the mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway)
> > when you realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!!
> >
> > 7.  So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something
> > special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life
> > (or the one you want in your life)  a gift they'll never forget.
> > ENJOY LIFE!
> >
> > 8.  Now when you get low on this money supply,  simply re-activate
> > this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you
> > originally posted and possibly some new places you now know of.
> > Don't ever lose this file, always keep a copy at your reach for
> > when you ever need cash.  THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU
> > CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS
> > NEEDED!
> >
> > *******************************************************************
> > *******************************************************************
> > THE NAMES LIST       THE NAMES LIST      THE NAME LIST
> > *******************************************************************
> > *  1. Brett Burch
> > *     245 Autumn Trace Ct.
> > *     Macon, GA 31210
> > *
> > *
> > *  2.Jean Iven
> > *     Eksterstraat 8
> > *     Vilvoorde, 1800
> > *     Belgium
> > *
> > *
> > *  3.John Jordan
> > *     Clos Reine 2
> > *     Wezembeek-Oppem, 1930
> > *     Belgium
> > *
> > *
> > *  4. Dave Garrison
> > *     263 Fenster Dr
> > *     Indianapolis, IN  46234
> > *
> > *
> > *  5. Dennis Diedrich               (American cash is OK)
> > *     1000 Thorpe Avenue
> > *     Courtenay, BC   V9N 8C9
> > *     Canada
> > *
> > *
> > *  6. John McPheron Jr.
> > *     1843 SE Hanover ST
> > *     Hillsboro, OR  97123
> > *
> > *
> > *  7.De Coster Joanna
> > *     Bullenbergstraat 64
> > *     Schepdaal, 1925
> > *     Belgium (Europe)
> > *
> > *
> > *  8.Rudi Carael
> > *     Lakensestraat 68
> > *     Grimbergen, 1853
> > *     Belgium (Europe)
> > *
> > *
> > *  9. Ian MacLeod
> > *      1511 Greenridge Circle
> > *      Oakville, Ontario
> > *      Canada  L6M 2J6
> > *
> > *
> > * 10.  Nicolas Perreten
> > *      2052 Oxford Ave
> > *      Oakville, Ontario
> > *      Canada, L6H 4K7
> > *
> > ****************************************************************
> >
> > -----Scott Gemson----
> 
> How Stupid Do I Look,
> 
> This is totally illegal pyramid scheme that has been going on for years.
> If you put your name on this list expect a call from the IRS and FBI. You
> better off getting a job then going to jail. I have seen this scheme on
> the internet in one form or another for 4 years!
> 
> Signed the Neanderthal Man, I am so proud of my 1300 cc Brain.
> --

This is a scam, and has been around in one form or another since the 
30's.  When the SEC, IRS and FBI made them illegal.  They are called 
PYRAMID or PONZI schemes.  Anyone who falls for this is in for huge 
trouble.


From pcimpots@sympatico.ca Sun Jul  7 14:40:31 EDT 1996
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MY BROTHER IS MANUFACTURING STRAWBALE BLOCKS FOR HOUSES BASEMENTS AND
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(ONTARIO - QUEBEC)

MARCEL


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ptimlin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (patrick timlin) wrote:
>Imma Lurken,,,, (msmunster@usa.pipeline.com) wrote:
>: >Do you guys HAVE to requote the *ENTIRE* scam message????  By doing so  
>: >you are just propagating the orignal post over and over. 
>
>: Well Patrick,  we're just trying to get along you know...???? It doesn't
>: take alot of effort on anyones part to scroll down to the end of the
>: post....now, take a deep breath and relax and say after me....I will not
>: flame people in the nice newsgroup who are trying to help others..  Now!!!
>
>First, it was not meant as a flame.  Second, apparently you did not look 
>at how long the original scam message was, or you would know it took a 
>little time to find the end of it.  And third, it also doesn't take a lot 
>of effect to edit down messages when you reply to them, does it?

And a fourth point: some of us have to pay by the second to download
messages. Poor snipping costs money - not  a lot but it mounts up!

----
Robbie Langton                 Hey, this web thing's immense -
robbie@roblang.demon.co.uk     must be one HELL of a spider!


From mdevor19@mail.idt.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:31 EDT 1996
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Francois R Perreten wrote:
> 
> IMPORTANT:
> 
> THIS IS NOT A RIP-OFF OR ANY TYPE OF SCAM. IT IS LEGAL,
> AND BEST OF ALL THE RISK IS ONLY 5 DOLLARS.
> 
> Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take
> two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make
> some serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt,  ready
> to do almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those
> bill collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass
> of your favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this
> interesting, exciting find!
>    Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right!
> I found it! And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those
> schemes like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope
> stuffing scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. I
> have tried every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the
> past 12 years. I somehow got on mailing lists for people looking
> to make money (more like 'desperate stupid people who will try
> anything for money!').  Well,  when I was a teenager,  these
> claims to 'get me rich quick' sounded irresistible! I would shell
> out $14.95 here, $29.95 there, $24.95 here, and another $49.95
> there.  I had maxed out my new Circuit City Card AND my Visa...I
> was desperate for money!!  So, I gave them all a chance but
> failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some people,
> but not for me.  Eventually, I just tossed that JUNK MAIL in the
> trash when I got the mail.  I recognized it right away.  I can
> smell a money scam from a mile away these days,  SO I THOUGHT....
> I thought I could sniff out a scam easily.  WAS I WRONG!!
> ..I LOVE THE INTERNET!!!
> 
>    I was scanning thru a NEWSGROUP and saw an article stating to
> GET CASH FAST!!  I thought...."Here on the Internet??  Well, I'll
> just have to see what schemes could possibly be on the internet."
> The article described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY
> TEN PEOPLE AND MAKE $50, 0000 IN CASH WITHIN 4 WEEKS!  Well,
> the more I thought about it, the more I became very curious. Why?
> Because of the way it worked AND BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME
> TEN DOLLARS (AND TEN STAMPS), THAT'S ALL I EVER PAY....EVER!!
> 
>    Ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe an tough amount to reach,
> but it was possible.  I knew that I could at least get a return
> of $1,000 or so.  So I did it!! As per the instructions in the
> article, I mailed out ('snail mail'for you e-mail fanatics) a
> single dollar bill to each of the ten people on the list that
> was contained in the article.  I included a small note, with the
> dollar, that stated "Please Add Me To Your List."  I then removed
> the first position name of the ten names listed and moved
> everyone up one position, and I put my name in position ten of
> the list.  This is how the money starts rolling in!  I then took
> this revised article now with my name on the list and REPOSTED IT
> ON AS MANY NEWSGROUPS AND LOCAL BULLETIN BOARD
> MESSAGE AREAS THAT I KNEW.  I then waited to watch the money
> come in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or
> so....
> But what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!!  I
> knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people
> all over the world-Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even
> some from Australia!  I tell you, THAT WAS EXCITING!!  So how
> much did I get in total return?  $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I
> received a total of $23,343!!!  I couldn't believe it!!
> 
>    I now have a brand new black Acura Integra to speak for, due
> to this!! Now after almost 8 months, I am ready to do it again!!!
> So maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, I don't know,
> but  IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL!  You
> must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think
> of!  The more postings you achieve will determine how much cash
> will arrive in your very own mailbox!!  It's just too easy to
> pass up!!!
> 
>    Let's review the reasons why you should do this:  The only
> cost factors are for the ten stamps, the 10 envelopes and the 10
> one dollar bills that you send out to the listed names by snail
> mail (US Postal Service Mail).  Then just simply repost the
> article (WITH YOUR NAME ADDED) to all the newsgroups and local
> BBS's you can.  Then sit back and, (ironically), enjoy walking
> (you can run if you like! :o  ) down your driveway to your
> mailbox and scoop up your rewards!!  We all have ten dollars to
> put into such an easy effortless investment with SPECTACULAR
> REALISTIC RETURNS OF $15,000 to $25,000 in about 3-5 weeks!  So
> HOLD OFF ON THOSE LOTTERY NUMBERS FOR TODAY,EAT AT
> HOME TONIGHT INSTEAD OF TAKEOUT FROM McDONALDS AND
> INVEST TEN  DOLLARS IN THIS AMAZING MONEY MAKING SYSTEM
> NOW!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE!!
> 
>    So how do you do it exactly, you ask?  I have carefully
> provided the mostdetailed, yet straightforward instructions on
> how to easily get this underway and get your cash on its way.
> SO, ARE YOU READY TO MAKE SOME CASH!!!?? HERE WE GO!!!
> 
> *** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE. ***
> 
> OK,  Read this carefully.  Get a printout of this information,
> if you like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed.
> 
> INSTRUCTIONS:
> 
> 1.  Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following:
> "Please add my name to your list".  This creates a service out
> of this money making system and thus making it completely legal.
> You are not just randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are
> paying one dollar for a legitimate service.  Make sure  you
> include your name and address.  I assure you that,  again,  this
> is completely legal!  For a neat little twist, also write what
> slot their name was in: "You were in slot 3",  Just to add a
> little fun!  This is all about having fun and making money at
> the same time!
> 
> 2.  Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill ,(no
> checks or money orders), and put them into an envelope and send
> it on its way to the ten people listed.  The folding of the
> paper around the bill will insure its arrival to its recipient.
> THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!!
> 
> 3.  Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING
> TO YOUR MAILBOX.   Look at the list of ten people;  remove the
> first name from position one and move everyone on the list up
> one slot on the list.  Position 2 name will now move to the
> position 1 slot ,  position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will
> be be 3, 5 wil be 4......  Now put your name, address, zipcode AND
> COUNTRY in position 10, the bottom position on the list.
> 
> 4.  Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local
> bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible.  Give
> a catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!!  Such as:
> "NEED FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF
> YOUR DEBTS??",  etc.  And the more uploads, the more money you
> will make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will
> make too.  LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER AND BY PUTTING
> FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!!
> You'll reap the benefits, believe me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads
> you'll post, such as 15-20 postings or more!  Always have a goal in mind!!!
> If you can UUE encode the file when uploading,  that will make it easier for the
> people to receive it and have it downloaded to their hard drive.  That way
> they get a copy of the article right on their computer without
> hassles of viewing and then saving the article from the File menu.
> Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text file. The
> best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's
> Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins
> look right without making the screen slide left or right when at
> the ends of the sentences, you're in business!
> 
> 5.  If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS,
> or "POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file,
> tell them who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE
> GLAD TO HELP.  I would try to describe how to do it but there are
> simply too many internet software packages with slightly different
> yet relatively simple ways to post or upload a file.  Just ask for
> help or look in the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for
> GNN, you simply select 'POST' then enter a catchy description
> under the subject box, choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT
> 'TXT', then choose 'Browse' to go look for the file. Find your
> text file CASH.TXT and click on it and choose 'OK'.  Place a one
> line statement in the main body section of the message post
> screen. Something like "Download this to read how to get cash
> arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever. Just make
> sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something like...
> "Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!"
> You'll never get ANY responses!
> 
> 6.  And this is the step I like.  JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE
> BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!!  Expect to see a little money
> start to trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE
> MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it
> out of the mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway)
> when you realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!!
> 
> 7.  So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something
> special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life
> (or the one you want in your life)  a gift they'll never forget.
> ENJOY LIFE!
> 
> 8.  Now when you get low on this money supply,  simply re-activate
> this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you
> originally posted and possibly some new places you now know of.
> Don't ever lose this file, always keep a copy at your reach for
> when you ever need cash.  THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU
> CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS
> NEEDED!
> 
> *******************************************************************
> *******************************************************************
> THE NAMES LIST       THE NAMES LIST      THE NAME LIST
> *******************************************************************
> *  1. Brett Burch
> *     245 Autumn Trace Ct.
> *     Macon, GA 31210
> *
> *
> *  2.Jean Iven
> *     Eksterstraat 8
> *     Vilvoorde, 1800
> *     Belgium
> *
> *
> *  3.John Jordan
> *     Clos Reine 2
> *     Wezembeek-Oppem, 1930
> *     Belgium
> *
> *
> *  4. Dave Garrison
> *     263 Fenster Dr
> *     Indianapolis, IN  46234
> *
> *
> *  5. Dennis Diedrich               (American cash is OK)
> *     1000 Thorpe Avenue
> *     Courtenay, BC   V9N 8C9
> *     Canada
> *
> *
> *  6. John McPheron Jr.
> *     1843 SE Hanover ST
> *     Hillsboro, OR  97123
> *
> *
> *  7.De Coster Joanna
> *     Bullenbergstraat 64
> *     Schepdaal, 1925
> *     Belgium (Europe)
> *
> *
> *  8.Rudi Carael
> *     Lakensestraat 68
> *     Grimbergen, 1853
> *     Belgium (Europe)
> *
> *
> *  9. Ian MacLeod
> *      1511 Greenridge Circle
> *      Oakville, Ontario
> *      Canada  L6M 2J6
> *
> *
> * 10.  Nicolas Perreten
> *      2052 Oxford Ave
> *      Oakville, Ontario
> *      Canada, L6H 4K7
> *
> ****************************************************************
> 
> -----Scott Gemson----

How Stupid Do I Look,

This is totally illegal pyramid scheme that has been going on for years. 
If you put your name on this list expect a call from the IRS and FBI. You 
better off getting a job then going to jail. I have seen this scheme on 
the internet in one form or another for 4 years!

Signed the Neanderthal Man, I am so proud of my 1300 cc Brain. 
--


From wrdsmith@calweb.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:32 EDT 1996
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From: Cheryl Smith <wrdsmith@calweb.com>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: junk material for shed insulation
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 07:27:11 -0700
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Hello!
I'm looking for suggestions for junk or cheap recycled material for use 
as insulation in a small backyard shed/playhouse type structure. Anyone 
have any ideas? Please let me know ASAP.

Thanks.


From ptimlin@lynx.dac.neu.edu Sun Jul  7 14:40:32 EDT 1996
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: This is a scam, and has been around in one form or another since the 
: 30's.  When the SEC, IRS and FBI made them illegal.  They are called 
: PYRAMID or PONZI schemes.  Anyone who falls for this is in for huge 
: trouble.

Do you guys HAVE to requote the *ENTIRE* scam message????  By doing so 
you are just propagating the orignal post over and over.

Patrick Timlin  	 ptimlin@lynx.dac.neu.edu
                   or
 patrick_timlin@adex.ccmail.compuserve.com


From msmunster@usa.pipeline.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:33 EDT 1996
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On Jun 26, 1996 14:21:47 in article <Re: NEED CASH FAST>,
'ptimlin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (patrick timlin)' wrote: 
 
 
> 
> 
>Do you guys HAVE to requote the *ENTIRE* scam message????  By doing so  
>you are just propagating the orignal post over and over. 
> 
>Patrick Timlin  	 ptimlin@lynx.dac.neu.edu 
 
Well Patrick,  we're just trying to get along you know...???? It doesn't
take alot of effort on anyones part to scroll down to the end of the
post....now, take a deep breath and relax and say after me....I will not
flame people in the nice newsgroup who are trying to help others..  Now!!!
Don't ya feel better???   Imma sure you do.    bye


From coverit96@aol.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:33 EDT 1996
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From hans.scheen@tool.nl Sun Jul  7 14:40:33 EDT 1996
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From sarahs4151@aol.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:34 EDT 1996
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From grngesel@dircon.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:40:34 EDT 1996
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Hello ! 
Is there anyone who has an opinion on the proposed V&A extension designed 
by Daniel Libeskind? Or the Pei Pyramid out side the Louvre? Or the 
Guggenheim? or the M.O.M.A? I am a design student and am doing my 
dissertation on the aesthetics of museum architecture and need BIG help!
If you could spare a few minutes to help me out I would really appreciate 
it 
For the V&A - is it too radical for the surroundings?
              will it bring the tourists in ?
              will it introduce art lover to modern archicture?
              will iit ruin the skyline of london?

What is the function of a museum building?

I don't really want to ask questions really, just want to hear your 
thoughts............................

cheers!

debbie



From Joem@aloanfromhome.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:35 EDT 1996
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>apply on-line! Visit;

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From vilderon@sirius.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:35 EDT 1996
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Is there a standard  measurement or formula for concrete structures
that are comepletely built underground?



From mheat@hookup.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:35 EDT 1996
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From: mheat@hookup.net (Norbert Senf)
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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:16:30 -0400, Jason Mansfield Roth
<jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

(snip)
>If slip-form Rock walls are similar to what Frank Lloyd Wright did at
>Taliesin West, then there ought to be some semi-detailed information on
>his method. His method, in turn, was either borrowed from or anticipated
>by Ernest Flagg in some low-income housing in Staten Island in the
>mid-20s.

The Nearings' method was based on Flagg's, and they made a number of
improvements in it. It is described in considerable detail in "Living
the Good Life". They built solid stone walls, 12" thick. These days,
you'd have to address energy efficiency (the Nearings just burned a
lot of wood, instead). Most common solution is to frame a 2x6 wall
inside to hold insulation. Once you do that, then you have to ask
yourself the question: Why not build a conventional stud frame house
and use a 4" stone veneer?

Best..........NS
--------------------------------------------------------
Norbert Senf			email 	mheat@hookup.net
Masonry Stove Builders		voice 	819 647 5092
Shawville Quebec		http://mha-net.org/msb
				 




From yangli@po.pacific.net.sg Sun Jul  7 14:40:36 EDT 1996
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From: yangli@po.pacific.net.sg (yangli)
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CYBERIANS CULTURE
A Study into Cyber Technology, its culture and Its Impact on Man in
the Turn of the Millennium


The reason for the urge to do this topic was due to the unease and
ignorance of the Internet. As much as I have used the computer since I
was thirteen, I felt a lack in something. The feeling has been
constantly increasing when I saw the show 'The Net' and many other
movies. The newspaper's computer column always ends the last sentence
with something like the Website http://www.asia1.sg.

By then, I was still using the computer just as a word processor and
drafting tool. So what was the internet?

After asking around, it is something like the BBS as i recalled using
it in my junior college days. My first modemn was only 1200bps which
was already one of the fastest compared to the 400bps one. I did
something like ring the sys op and then chat to him or her.

That was then, but now, the modemn is already on the antique shelve
and my beloved Apple II+ computer somewhere in recycled coca-cola
cans. In my trip to California recently, there was a news by CNN that
reported about the new invention from Stamford University that is like
a micro wave oven. Well, it is not as what I though. The ' Micro wave
oven'  is actually a 3-D scanner or fax machine. A little statue of a
buddha was placed inside and throught the internet, the data was
sent to another location which has a plastic moulding machine. Within
a few minutes, an identical plastic buddha was being replicated!

Turning on the television, there were advertisements like those of TV
Media back at home, but some of them were very interesting that we do
not get here. Nope, not those selling Hypersex pills but advertisement
on how to set up a home office and earn big bucks. As the United
States is going through a period of zero economic growth and a high
percentage of umemployment, many of the people who wants to work but
was not lucky enough had to sought for means to survive. This
advertisement is to teach people how to make money through the
internet. Through selling bits in the cyberspace. There were some of
these people who attended the seminar and were successful who got on
to TV to recommend the seminar. Each one of them without fail
would be sitting on a chair in front of the computer. Beside the
computer is a stick protruding out and for some a baseball like object
on the monitor. These are actually video cameras. I was amazed that
they are actually so small when I saw it at the Cybercafe@BoatQuay
when I attended a Cyberians users' meet from the Singapore Internet
Community.

When I asked my friends about where is the SinterComm, they said that
it is a only virtual community and it exist only in some bytes on a
hard disk in a computer somewhere, of which nobody actually bothers to
find out. During the users' meet, I met a regular user, when I asked
him about his job, he said that he will be setting up a firm with
another two of the regular users. They are working on marketing the
internet and designing home pages for their clients. So I asked
them whether they need any help in designing the new office, they
replied,"A virtual office!"

The society is rapidly changing. Technology is so advanced that there
is something new everyday. Yet, when a local architect designs a
building. The mind frame is still of our father's generation. Take an
example of the younger generation nowadays, the perception of the
spaces is much different. A living room was the most important space
for entertaining guests for my father's generation but when my friends
come to my house, my room with the computer and the TV room with the
Lase Disc player seemed more important than the dull and dead living
room with some antique furniture, family portraits and paintings.

Mega office blocks will be obsolete one day when most people can work
at home and just E-mail or ftp (File Transfer Protocol) to the other
party. Singapore Press Holdings need not occupy a 7-storey building,
what is neccessary is just the printing room.

Therefore, in order to catch up with the trend of the society, we have
to understand the culture and lifestyle of the cyberians. A culture
that is rapidly spreading........


p.s. I am writing my dissertation on a Cyberian's home. Specifically
in relation to architecture. I you could give a some thinkers, I would
greatly appreciate it. Don't forget the website add and your E-mail!




From kging@efn.org Sun Jul  7 14:40:36 EDT 1996
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I recall reading last year that the average stick built home in
OR cost ca. $120k, average manufactured home $45k. So some
blame rests with the consumer who is not willing to pay
for environmental desisgns, who is not concerned with life cycle costing, 
minimum toxic concerns et al, but is more concerned with satellite
dishes.

I do not think Realtors so much as home builders can be blamed
for the lack of real affordable and well designed sun tempered
houses. Blame the ughitechts while you cast pebbles, the ones who
are paid on the price of the built environment (as Realtors are paid on
the price of the house). I am a Realtor and also secretary of
the Eugene chapter of the NW Eco-Building Guild and am a strong
promoter of alternative housing - organic pls.  (I am somewhat
of an anomaly in the profession - being an ole solar bozo and
a sixties activist.)

When Mother Earth News did a survey over a decade ago of 300
major homebldrs in the US, not one was paying attention to
simple solar principles when designing their subdivisions.
May they all freeze in the coming ice age!

Building trades are paid a lot of money - $28 hr + - this
does not promote alternative house construction.  If  builders
and other trades were willing to work for less, more people
could have fun, low profile houses  designed with climate.

A retired UO architect recently suggested that bldg codes should
be passed that required sustainability energy and other wise from
houses!          Kathy Ging M.A., GRI
On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 chita@adnc.com wrote:

>     Speaking of mobile homes - -   doesn't it seem as if every
> realtor-dominated zoning board in America decided long ago to make
> sure nobody could actually build any REALLY cheap housing?  <sigh>
>  
>     
> 
> 
> 


From pjm@nando.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:36 EDT 1996
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Damn, another spam thread  !!

cross posted to :

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STOP THIS THREAD NOW !!!!!

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From msmunster@usa.pipeline.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:37 EDT 1996
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On Jun 27, 1996 14:13:00 in article <Re: NEED CASH FAST>,
'ptimlin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (patrick timlin)' wrote: 
 
 
> 
>First, it was not meant as a flame.  Second, apparently you did not look  
>at how long the original scam message was, or you would know it took a  
>little time to find the end of it.  And third, it also doesn't take a lot 

>of effect to edit down messages when you reply to them, does it? 
> 
>Patrick Timlin  	 ptimlin@lynx.dac.neu.edu 
 
Y O U   A R E    R I G H T ! ! ! !  now, don't get your knickers in a
twist...Imma.      PS, wonna shake and make up????    Have a great day
Patrick Timlin and may all your children be born Naked.  Now that's a best
wishes message,  not a flame.   Bye,  Imma


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Sun Jul  7 14:40:37 EDT 1996
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From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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Norbert Senf <mheat@hookup.net> wrote:
 
 The Nearings' method was based on Flagg's, and they made a number of
 improvements in it. It is described in considerable detail in "Living
 the Good Life". They built solid stone walls, 12" thick. These days,
 you'd have to address energy efficiency (the Nearings just burned a
 lot of wood, instead). Most common solution is to frame a 2x6 wall
 inside to hold insulation. Once you do that, then you have to ask
 yourself the question: Why not build a conventional stud frame house
 and use a 4" stone veneer?

Of better yet for solar heating, put the insulation on the outside of
the stone wall. Eg 4" of urethane foam used as a form, with latex paint
on the outside... 

Nick



From pl1x+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jul  7 14:40:38 EDT 1996
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From: Peter Andrew Lopez <pl1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.architecture.alternative: 28-Jun-96 Cyborg
Citzens by yangli@po.pacific.net.sg 
> At this rate that the society views architects, the profession will be
> gone and forgotten in a matter of a few generations.


i wish i could agree with you (because architecture is in the relm of art)

unfortunately the word will linger on for more than a few generations
probably a coupld of decades unless the current group of 'architects'
decides to kill it off or decide to disassociate themselves from the
word 'architecture'.

the first step is too get rid of 'architecture' schools one way of doing
this would be after a student has graduated, sue the school because you
were not able to get a job.  this would start the ball rolling.  it
might be a good thing to eliminate 'architecture' off the planet.  i
would like to see that day.


other questions to ask...
>Cyborg citizens does not give a damn about architecture. All that
>concerns him is the room with a good and fast computer with a well
>linked up system. This is the place that he eat, drink, sleep, work
>and play.
who does care about architecture?  can you really name anyone.  this is
one profession where i don't hear anyone attempting to save it.

with the rooms you inhabit to use your 'fast' computer.  i guess
engineers will make um.  

but don't cyborg citizens give a damn about their P5 architecture.  i've
always found it faciniating that all the new computer chips call their
make up 'architecture'  maybe computer chip programers and creators are
the new architects?

but on the up side...without e-mail and the internet i don't think this
conversation would be happening.  maybe if we promote (of course this is
where it all gets subjective) 'architecture' (i guess it would have to
be what you think is architecture since there is no real defining values
in the field right now)  maybe we could all bring it bad for one big
hurrah...like it's really gone anywhere.  architecture is always in the
background of society.  it's another word in the english language which
really isn't going anywhere because it is a very broad term.

zepol retard

recent graduate 'arch' student  offer me job i work for you!




From gomerpile@stupid.net.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:38 EDT 1996
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How Stupid Do I Look,

This is totally illegal pyramid scheme that has been going on for years.
If you put your name on this list expect a call from the IRS and FBI. You
better off getting a job then going to jail. I have seen this scheme on
the internet in one form or another for 4 years!

Signed the Neanderthal Man, I am so proud of my 1300 cc Brain.


From diy@pobox.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:39 EDT 1996
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From: diy@pobox.com (DANIEL TING)
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if you are familiar with peter rice, tell me what u think of him.
thanx!!

diy@pobox.com


From mccdpdpo@ppl.brunet.bn Sun Jul  7 14:40:39 EDT 1996
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From cbiteam@cbiweb.demon.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:40:39 EDT 1996
Article: 7330 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Darren Foster <cbiteam@cbiweb.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: -----MEMORABILIA-----
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:22:11 +0100
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The Company is called CBI Consultancy Limited and we are an Interior
Design and Furnishing company based in the North West Of England We are
currently doing refurbishment work at Everton Football Club and have
been asked by them to do a display of Memorabila from past stars and
players of Everton F.C.  

The display will be in a high security cabinet and will mention the
bearer at the side of each article, all items will be covered by Fully
Comprehensive Insurance.


PLEASE CAN YOU HELP US !!!!

If you have or know anyone with Everton Memorabilia could you please
send me a reply by email to the address below :-

everton@cbiweb.demon.co.uk

Regards
-- 
Darren


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From: Darren Foster <cbiteam@cbiweb.demon.co.uk>
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The Company is called CBI Consultancy Limited and we are an Interior
Design and Furnishing company based in the North West Of England We are
currently doing refurbishment work at Everton Football Club and have
been asked by them to do a display of Memorabila from past stars and
players of Everton F.C.  

The display will be in a high security cabinet and will mention the
bearer at the side of each article, all items will be covered by Fully
Comprehensive Insurance.


PLEASE CAN YOU HELP US !!!!

If you have or know anyone with Everton Memorabilia could you please
send me a reply by email to the address below :-

everton@cbiweb.demon.co.uk

Regards
-- 
Darren


From ldecarli@tinet.ch Sun Jul  7 14:40:40 EDT 1996
Article: 7332 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Lorenzo De Carli <ldecarli@tinet.ch>
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Subject: RTSI - R e t e 2 - Mario Botta's University online
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L'UNIVERSITA' DI MARIO BOTTA ONLINE
Nella Svizzera italiana e' nata una nuova Universita'. Una Facolta' di
scienze della comunicazione e una Facolta' di economia sono sorte accanto
all'Accademia di Architettura promossa dall'archietto di fama mondiale
Mario Botta. La Rete 2 della Radio svizzera di lingua italiana mette a
disposizione in formato RealAudio tutte le interviste e tutti i dibattiti
mandati in onda dalla sua antenna perche' i programmi di questa nuova
Universita' possano essere ovunque ascoltati e discussi. L'indirizzo e'
http://www.rtsi.ch/rete2

MARIO BOTTA'S UNIVERSITY ONLINE
A new University has been born in Italian-speaking Switzerland.  A
Department of Communication Sciences and a Department of Economics have
arisen next to the Architecture Academy promoted by the world-famous
architect Mario Botta. Swiss Radio, broadcasting in the Italian language,
Channel 2, is putting all the interviews and the debates it previously
broadcast on its airwaves at your disposal, in RealAudio format, so as to
allow the programs of this new university to be heard and discussed
everywhere.  The Web address is: http://www.rtsi.ch/rete2


From steveh1491@aol.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:40 EDT 1996
Article: 7333 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: steveh1491@aol.com (SteveH1491)
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Subject: Re: Buddhist temple Architecture in Japan
Date: 1 Jul 1996 04:35:34 -0400
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The classic work on traditional Japanese architecture is "The Japanese
House" by Heinrich Engel.  Although it is not about temples specifically,
it contains many insights on house architecture which may apply as well to
other structures.


From LARRYS@HCTC.COM Sun Jul  7 14:40:40 EDT 1996
Article: 7334 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: LARRYS@HCTC.COM (Larry Stevens)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: NEW GUEST COTTAGE DESIGN AFFORADBLE!
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:47:38 -0700
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LMS HAS VACATION GUEST COTTAGE WITH GARAGE PACKAGE
DELIVERED ON YOUR LOT APPRROX. 2,000 SQ. FFT. FOR ONLY $32,500 THATS $20 A
SQ. FT.
CALL IF YOU NEED A FIRRST TIME HOME OR A RETREAT
larrrys@hood.com
800 645-3837

-- 
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ME CALL::360 275-9741 OR 800 645-3837
THANK YOU, LARRY STEVENS


From LARRYS@HCTC.COM Sun Jul  7 14:40:41 EDT 1996
Article: 7335 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: LARRYS@HCTC.COM (Larry Stevens)
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Subject: new way to secue sliding window & doors
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i have been selling STOPLOCK sliding window and door deadbolts for five
years now.
they work and have been given the seal of appov. and awards by groups :
better homes and gardens, american handyman
tested and recomended , reeds security reporter and many more. this is the
only window keyless lock that works
by stoping horizontal and vertical movement and also stops child from
sliping out a patio door and drowing.
if you need some for you windows and doors i am the inventor and
manufacture. over a $150,000.00 sold.
just thought i would share this info on the net.
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-- 
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ME CALL::360 275-9741 OR 800 645-3837
THANK YOU, LARRY STEVENS


From bartermn@epix.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:41 EDT 1996
Article: 7336 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: bartermn@epix.net ()
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Subject: log drying
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 My wife and I are going to be building a log cabin using red pine logs. 
They are to be milled flat on three sides, leaving the natural round on
the outside. We have pealed the bark on the logs and found some checking.
The logs have been down for about a month.
ÿThe saw mill owner told us that they are drying to fast, suggesting we
build a frame with plastic covering and keep them covered until used. I
didn't contradict him but thought to myself that they would dry faster
with a cover, does anyone care to comment? --
it is by words we are saved               keith bellinger
it is by words we are condemned           bartermn@epix.net



From pcimpots@sympatico.ca Sun Jul  7 14:40:41 EDT 1996
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From tunza@softaid.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:42 EDT 1996
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Repitition for the sake of giving in to the sickening complacency that has
murdered creativity in architecture of all forms in our time is the height
of vulgarity, as it is no longer art, but instead is 3-d plagerism,
committed simply for easy money. Phil Woolfson President, TUNZAGraphics
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From kilborn@bosshog.arts.uwo.ca Sun Jul  7 14:40:42 EDT 1996
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From saylor@nitco.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:43 EDT 1996
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From audior1@roanoke.infi.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:43 EDT 1996
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From: audior1@roanoke.infi.net (audior1)
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bartermn@epix.net () wrote:

> My wife and I are going to be building a log cabin using red pine logs. 
>They are to be milled flat on three sides, leaving the natural round on
>the outside. We have pealed the bark on the logs and found some checking.
>The logs have been down for about a month.
>ÿThe saw mill owner told us that they are drying to fast, suggesting we
>build a frame with plastic covering and keep them covered until used. I
>didn't contradict him but thought to myself that they would dry faster
>with a cover, 
With a cover will slow drying if there is low air circulation. Higher
temperature and air circulation will increase drying. Suggest instead
polyethelene glycol painted on the inds of the logs to slow the
moisture loss. It is designed to do that. But no matter what you do
the logs are going to check as they dry. The smaller  younger growth
trees will warp and check the most as they don't have a tight grain.
Controlled drying in a Kiln is the only sure way to avoid this. Even
after you get the logs up in a wall they will continue to split and
check with internal strssing and moisture temperature differences
inside and out of your building. That's the nature of cabins. Yearly
chinking is to be expected and anyone who tells you different hasn't
lived in or built cabins. I've built more than a few and lived in
three. 
Renovation Specialists Inc.
Ren Heard
Master Builder
Bedford VA.



From duckchow@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:43 EDT 1996
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pjm@nando.net (paul milligan) wrote:
>Damn, another spam thread  !!
>cross posted to :
>alt.architecture.alternative,alt.solar.thermal,sci.energy,
>alt.energy.renewable,sci.engr.heat-vent-ac
>STOP THIS THREAD NOW !!!!!

	I'm slightly (electronically) acquainted with Kathy Ging, the alleged
spammer, and am reasonably certain that she's not engaged in
self-promotion here. It didn't read like she was trying to sell
anything either. If you'll look at the (only FOUR, not forty)
cross-posted newsgroups, you'll note that they're all pertinent to her
post; I'm also reasonably certain that she's subscribed to all of them
& is looking for feedback & additional info. (Isn't that what this
newsgroup stuff is all about? An info vehicle?)
	Also, if you'd read the whole thing (maybe you did), you'd've noticed
that she was responding to a previous post.

	I'm with you all the way on your opinion of spammers, but I think in
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M J




From dwagner@mail.coos.or.us Sun Jul  7 14:40:44 EDT 1996
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bartermn@epix.net wrote:
> =

>  My wife and I are going to be building a log cabin using red pine logs.
> They are to be milled flat on three sides, leaving the natural round on
> the outside. We have pealed the bark on the logs and found some checking.=

> The logs have been down for about a month.
> =FFThe saw mill owner told us that they are drying to fast, suggesting we=

> build a frame with plastic covering and keep them covered until used. I
> didn't contradict him but thought to myself that they would dry faster
> with a cover, does anyone care to comment? --
> it is by words we are saved               keith bellinger
> it is by words we are condemned           bartermn@epix.netHere in the no=
rthwest we'd put sprinklers on them.  But every locality is =

diff.  If he's been in business long, trust him.  I'd paint the ends of =

them myself.  Use primer to control the drying rate.
Dale Wagner - Gardiner OR




From dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:40:44 EDT 1996
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In article <cpc-0207961217330001@cpc.sp.trw.com>
          cpc@milstar.sp.trw.com (O J SLOAN) wrote:

> In article <31d3eb57.10159037@news.demon.co.uk>,
> robbie@roblang.demon.co.uk (Robbie Langton) wrote:
> 
> > And a fourth point: some of us have to pay by the second to download
> > messages. Poor snipping costs money - not  a lot but it mounts up!
> > !
> 
> All I can say is get a new provider that won't fine you for going over
> five hours a month!

What are you talking about? Robbie's provider, which is mine, gives
unlimited access. Unfortunately phone companies in the UK don't, they
charge by the second (after an initial charge).

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From jim.straker@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:40:44 EDT 1996
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From: jim.straker@zetnet.co.uk (James Neil Straker)
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In message <4r4ecm$ckd@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>
        WYTHE <grngesel@dircon.co.uk> writes: 

> Hello ! 
> Is there anyone who has an opinion on the proposed V&A extension designed 
> by Daniel Libeskind? Or the Pei Pyramid out side the Louvre? Or the 
> Guggenheim? or the M.O.M.A? 

The Louvre looks reasonable, the pyramid is light and peaceful.
The Guggenheim is fine, strong simple shapes.
I like MOMA a lot, it feels friendly and in side it directs attention 
away from itself and onto the exhibits that are its reason for existing

> For the V&A - is it too radical for the surroundings?

Yes, looks ridiculous, and as far as I can gather from the 
Architectural magazines he has not worked out how to build it yet.

>               will it bring the tourists in ?

Maybe to make fun of the outside, but not into the museum I suspect.

>               will it introduce art lover to modern archicture?

Not sure I understand what you mean.  If you are asking me to see the 
building just as a work of art, I have to say that it needs to work as 
a building, and that involves more than just a striking facade.

>               will iit ruin the skyline of london?

Temporarily.  I don't think it will stay around too long even if it 
does get built.  

> What is the function of a museum building?

To attract people inside and show off the exhibits to best advantage. 
Not to keep passers-by gawping at the facade.


-- 
Jimbo
(jim.straker@zetnet.co.uk)
*.......All shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.*
                                             -  Julian of Norwich     
                                   



From jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jul  7 14:40:45 EDT 1996
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From: Jason Mansfield Roth <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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>Is there a standard  measurement or formula for concrete structures
>that are comepletely built underground?

Formula for...? I'm assuming you mean structural, in which case you're
dealing with hydrostatic pressures (62.4 lb/cu. in., or something --
hey, it's been 4 years). As for rules of thumb, all I can say is that
retaining wall formulae pertain. For modest structures, the concrete is
not at all outrageous, but big spans increase exponentially .

JMR

93 SL2, blue-green

"I never gave anyone hell -- I just told 'em the truth, and they thought
it was hell."

"What's the use of a good house if you don't have a decent planet to put
it on?"



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Subject: 	Computer Animation Position 
Date:		7/1/96
Company:	Hammond Communications Group
Department:	Arch/Vision

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Summary:	The Visualization department of Hammond Communications 
Group
is accepting resumes for a computer animation position. The department, 
Arch/Vision, produces high-end, three dimensional computer animations for
architectural and engineering projects. Arch/Vision also creates 
animations
 for  attorneys who specialize in vehicular, medical, personal injury, 
product 
liability and construction litigation's. This progressive company 
currently 
utilizes Wavefront and Lightscape on SGI workstations, as well as PC 
based 
animation and CAD packages.Animation is sent to a BetaSP suite via a 
Digital 
Disc Recorder or sent directly to the AVID suite.


Desired Experience:	2 Yrs Production Experience w/ 3D Computer 
Animation.
			Knowledge Of SGI And UNIX Environment.
			Wavefront/Alias Experience A Plus.
			CAD / 3D Modeling Experience A Plus.


Responsibilities:	Project Management From Conception To Completion.
			Interpret & Assimilate Complex Data.
			Interact With Clients To Determine Scope Of 
Production:
			Efficient Implementations Of Projects.



To apply, send resume and cover letter with salary history to:

			Hammond Communications Group
			Arch/Vision
			Attn.: Craig Miller
			173 Trade Street
			Lexington, KY 40510

			OR

			1 800 801-7689
			archvis@archvision.com


From richarda@icx.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:43 EDT 1996
Article: 7352 of alt.architecture.alternative
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 19:51:57 -0600
From: richarda@icx.net (Richard Austin)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: STRAW BLOCKS
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In article <31D8171E.3FB7@sympatico.ca>, MARCEL SAUCIER
<pcimpots@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>For more information on straw blocks for walls up to two stories,
>access our site http://www3.sympatico.ca/pcimpots/STRAWBLK.HTM

Is this a joke? There is nothing at the site.

-- 
  Richard Austin -- richarda@icx.net
   Institute for Planetary Renewal
    http://www.rt66.com/~richard/


From abuhlman@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Sun Jul  7 14:40:43 EDT 1996
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From abuhlman@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Sun Jul  7 14:40:44 EDT 1996
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From 102447.3172@CompuServe.COM Sun Jul  7 14:40:44 EDT 1996
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From Grah@mooreway.demon.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:40:45 EDT 1996
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From: Graham <Grah@mooreway.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re:CAD Information Required
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-- I would be grateful if anyone could supply me with information of CAD 
research or information papers on the use of CAD in the construction 
industry.

      Please reply by email Graham@mooreway.demon.co.uk


From JULZ1130@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:45 EDT 1996
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"the Owner built Home" by Ken Kern discusses slip-form rubble 
construction w/ some details



From pluto@tcnet.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:45 EDT 1996
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From: Leamon Hinkle <pluto@tcnet.net>
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Doug Weller wrote:

> >
> > > And a fourth point: some of us have to pay by the second to download
> > > messages. Poor snipping costs money - not  a lot but it mounts up!
> > > !
> >
> > All I can say is get a new provider that won't fine you for going over
> > five hours a month!
> 
> What are you talking about? Robbie's provider, which is mine, gives
> unlimited access. Unfortunately phone companies in the UK don't, they
> charge by the second (after an initial charge).

Whoops...looks like a little bit of geographical shock to me. Apologies from
this hillbilly for others not knowing, now glad you told us. Now see how
a little explanation will clear up a lot of things. Oh, and I won't wish you
guys a happy Independence Day. ;-) Now that is a joke, OK...I said OK???
Uhoh, here we go again....

Leamon, slinking out of the revolution




From dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:40:46 EDT 1996
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In article <31DB25B1.48F3@tcnet.net>
          Leamon Hinkle <pluto@tcnet.net> wrote:

> Doug Weller wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What are you talking about? Robbie's provider, which is mine, gives
> > unlimited access. Unfortunately phone companies in the UK don't, they
> > charge by the second (after an initial charge).
> 
> Whoops...looks like a little bit of geographical shock to me. Apologies from
> this hillbilly for others not knowing, now glad you told us. Now see how
> a little explanation will clear up a lot of things. Oh, and I won't wish you
> guys a happy Independence Day. ;-)

Why not? I had ancestors on both sides. Hillbilly eh? I'm about to
visit with my family at our summer home in the Black Mountains of
western North Carolina!

-- 
Doug Weller


From jill_storie@westend.ca Sun Jul  7 14:40:46 EDT 1996
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From: jill_storie@westend.ca (Jill Storie)
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Subject: Info on Famous Gates
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Hi there!

I was wondering if anyone knows any information on the following famous gates:
Arcadian (in Greece or Turkey... I think?)
Aragon (in the kingdom of Aragon, northwest Spain?)
Shurei No Mon (in Japan)
Burgundy (in southeast France, Bourgogne region - not an actual gate, but
a series of canals that act as a "gateway" inland)

Please e-mail me if you have any information or know where I could find some.

jill_storie@westend.ca

Thanks!


From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:40:46 EDT 1996
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From: graham@mancha.demon.co.uk (Graham Mancha)
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Ettore Sottsass Bridge Chairs. 4 available, two with arms in mahogany
finish, two side chairs in beech. £45 each (UK pounds). Tel: +44 1296
615121 or email for more information
graham@mancha.demon.co.uk



From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:40:47 EDT 1996
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From: graham@mancha.demon.co.uk (Graham Mancha)
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Finn Juhl / France & Son Diplomat Chair. Rosewood frame, brown leather
upholstery. £90 ono. (UK pounds) Tel: +44 1296 615121 or email for
more information
graham@mancha.demon.co.uk



From dhadley@fairfield.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:47 EDT 1996
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From info@netcad.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:47 EDT 1996
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Dear AEC Professionals:

We would like to thank all of the individuals who took the time to add
their firms to the list.

Netcad Corporation invites all Architectural, Engineering and 
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please visit

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From floyd@enterprise.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:48 EDT 1996
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From: floyd@enterprise.net (floyd)
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Subject: Help me find Underground Architecture site in England
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I heard on the radio of an underground "mansion", with streets wide
enough and high enough to allow horse carriages to pass, this site hit
the headlines as it was under threat from developers who proposed to
grout the caverns to develop the site.

Can anyone help me locate this place, or any underground architecture
on small or large sacle, historical or present day. Books www etc.
TIA
floyd
"Today, a young man on acid realised that all matter is merely
energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one 
consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no 
such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the 
imagination of ourselves." (Bill Hicks 1961-1994)



From dharris@mail.microserve.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:49 EDT 1996
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From: dharris@mail.microserve.net (Milleneua Design)
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From bk720@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jul  7 14:40:49 EDT 1996
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From: bk720@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carl Steen)
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A friend of mine recently attended a lecture by Ianto  Evans
on cob house building.
He was inspired to find that there is a method to produce
almost a concrete hardness and durability before the age
of cement production  etc.
Is the recipe:  mud, straw, sand, water  and does the mud
composition have a big effect on wall strength?
Apparently there are multistory cob houses in various
parts of the world that are hundreds of years old.
I can see an advantage or two over straw building, no
rot problems and much greater mass and strength.

Anyone who has first hand experience with this cob  earth
building please post about it.
thanks
carl steen


From duckchow@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul  7 14:40:49 EDT 1996
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bk720@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carl Steen) wrote:

>Anyone who has first hand experience with this cob  earth
>building please post about it.
>thanks
>carl steen

I don't have first-hand experience, but would also be interested in
seeing posts from people who do.  I'd like to know more about it.

Here's a web site about cob, the only one I've found:

The Cob-Web
http://www.deatech.com/cobcottage/

Also, the May / June '96 issue of Backwoods Home Magazine has a 5-page
article about it.




From mike@complexity.org Sun Jul  7 14:40:50 EDT 1996
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From: "Michael T. Bishop" <mike@complexity.org>
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Carl,

You might try checking into the Cob Cottages (Ianto's company) web page. 
You may find further information and you could request more from them if 
needed. The URL is:

http://www.deatech.com/cobcottage/

[snip......]

> Anyone who has first hand experience with this cob  earth
> building please post about it.
> thanks
> carl steen

Regards,

Michael
'A believer in Straw Bale Homes'

-- 
Michael T. Bishop		mike@complexity.org
	http://www.complexity.org/mike	

"If all the straw left in the United States after the harvest
of major grains was baled instead of burned, five million
2,000-square-foot homes could be built every year."
					-Matts Myhrman-


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must be 18yrs
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From winstead@roseau.polaristel.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:51 EDT 1996
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From plegere@mountain-inter.net Sun Jul  7 14:40:52 EDT 1996
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In article <31D9583C.664@mail.coos.or.us> Dale Wagner <dwagner@mail.coos.or.us> writes:
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>bartermn@epix.net wrote:
>> =

>>  My wife and I are going to be building a log cabin using red pine logs.
>> They are to be milled flat on three sides, leaving the natural round on
>> the outside. We have pealed the bark on the logs and found some checking.=

>> The logs have been down for about a month.
>> =FFThe saw mill owner told us that they are drying to fast, suggesting we=

>> build a frame with plastic covering and keep them covered until used. I
>> didn't contradict him but thought to myself that they would dry faster
>> with a cover, does anyone care to comment? --
>
The Japanese make a saw cut about halfway through the log parallel to the long 
axis, This concentrates the shrinkage checks in one line, making them easier 
to deal with.
Peter B. Legere





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M. WILKINS <mwilkins@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I'LL TELL YOUR FUTURE,  NOW!!!

>JUST CALL    1-900-...........

>$3.99 per min.
>must be 18yrs
>Serv-U(619)..........

	Here it is for free.  Call this number, and a minute from now you will
be out $3.99

	cr
______________________________________________________________
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    Carson, California
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From dpeeks@constr.com Sat Aug  3 09:53:43 EDT 1996
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>   Ricky Puras <ricky@isla-pr.com> writes:
>  To all alternative architechts:
>  
>  There's one of us here in the island of Puerto Rico.  Do you know of any 
>  tripped out architecture that can withstand a hurricane?  Please reply.
>  
>  
>  Ricky Puras
>  
>>>>
Hello Ricky from Puerto Rico,

I don't have any listings from your beautiful island I've had the pleasure of visiting several 
times. It costs nothing to list construction related firms on The Construction Site. 

Simply go to:  <http://www.constr.com/request.htm>  and fill out the short request form.

Doyle Peeks
The Construction Site (tm)
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webmaster@constr.com

Home Pages without homes are Homeless Pages. ALL construction related Home Pages 
should make The Construction Site their home.  Copyrighted 1995, 1996 by The Construction 
Site (tm)


From thet@worldaccess.nl Sat Aug  3 09:53:44 EDT 1996
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Energie prestatieberekeningen:

Nederlandse markt.

EPW- berekeningen.

afh. van het woningtype fl. 200,- / fl. 500,-
Woongebouwen in overleg.
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From danriebs@tcs.itis.com Sat Aug  3 09:53:46 EDT 1996
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From: Dan Riebs <danriebs@tcs.itis.com>
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Subject: alt.sewage.disposal
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:10:13 -0500
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I plan to buy land in the next year, which will probably be quite rocky.
Regarding regular septic and mound systems, the county has it's head
shoved where you'd normally expect to find it, any less than 24 inches
of topsoil is unbuildable.

Assuming I can get a variance from the county, what other kinds of
sewage disposal systems are available for what is effectively bedrock?


From Overide1@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug  3 09:53:47 EDT 1996
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From delay@phoenix.net Sat Aug  3 09:53:49 EDT 1996
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From: delay@phoenix.net (Jeff McMorris)
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Please visit CHA architects; at http://www.houstonet.com/cha .
Specializing in commercial structures.



From JULZ1130@worldnet.att.net Sat Aug  3 09:53:50 EDT 1996
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Float it



From bq076@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug  3 09:53:51 EDT 1996
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From: bq076@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Bill Kennedy)
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I am planning on building a summer home in Canada near Point 
Pelle.   I have a couple of requirements. I am looking for 3 bed
rooms, 2 baths. One of the baths should be a master bath. Other
requirement is that the structure be on piers. The area has 
flooded before and having the structure on piers would
allow me for some storage. 

I was thinking about either a manufactured or modular homes or
modular homes or a log cabin. However, I would consider
anything that was innovative such as a Styrofoam panel structure
or .... as long as it would meet my requirements and was 
reasonably priced. 

The only manufactured or modular home vendor I've found in Canada
is Royal Homes.  Royal Homes' prices seem about 20% higher than 
a comparable modular home sold in the US.  I am thinking about a 3
bedroom, 2 bath Cape Cod. Does anyone know of any other modular 
homes either made in Canada or US manufactures that sell in
Canada.

Does anyone know of any reasonable price Canadian log cabins
companies?
I am looking for something that is reasonably priced, 3        
bedrooms, 2 baths.  I've posted on the internet before about   
log cabins and the responses i got back were that unless the   
cabin was assembled correctly the cabin would be be very windy 
and porous. 

Email me if you have any ideas?                                



From nimud@lvnexus.net Sat Aug  3 09:53:52 EDT 1996
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From: nimud@lvnexus.net (Harris Lowenhaupt)
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After some delay while a patent was filed covering the new Cast Earth
technology for building earth walls with machinery instead of manual
labor, the long-promised Web Site is now launched.  Its URL is:

<http://www.lvnexus.net/nimud>

Please drop in, and be sure to load the images!

Regards,

-- 
Harris Lowenhaupt
Cast Earth
Nickel Laterites
<http://www.lvnexus.net/nimud>


From zso1@voicenet.com Sat Aug  3 09:53:53 EDT 1996
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National known Architectural/Engineering Firm seeking Interior Designers 
with large corporate office project experience. Looking for talent and 
initiative at both Junior and Senior levels. Four years to ten plus years 
experience desired. . Autocad environment with outstanding career 
potential.


Send resume in confidence to:
CUH2A, Inc.
211 Carnegie Center
Princeton, NJ 08540-6298
Attn.: Ms. Clarkson

Or fax resume to:
Ms. Clarkson
609-454-2926

Or E-mail to:
nwatson@cuh2a.attmail.com


From nobody@ncsu.edu Sat Aug  3 09:53:55 EDT 1996
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From: MAIN <nobody@ncsu.edu>
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Dan Riebs wrote:
> 
> I plan to buy land in the next year, which will probably be quite rocky.
> 
> Assuming I can get a variance from the county, what other kinds of
> sewage disposal systems are available for what is effectively bedrock?

===========

Have you looked into artificial wetland systems ?  I've seen several
varients, among them a system in Lousiana that was built up on a mound
due to proximity w/ a water table.

These systems can be lined to prevent seepage concerns, and can be quite
productive non-human consumption gardens / mini-wildlife habitats.

Such systems may not be your answer but, rather, a componant of the
total solution.
                        ---   Luck !


From dogma@conan.ids.net Sat Aug  3 09:53:56 EDT 1996
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From: Dave Rizzolo <dogma@conan.ids.net>
Newsgroups: comp.cad.autocad,comp.cad.cadence,alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: architecture job
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:52:00 -0500
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Dave Rizzolo wrote:
> 
> I am currently looking for a position with a firm in the
> Providence/Boston area. Both my resume and portfolio can be found at:
> 
>         http://users/ids/net/~dogma/portfolio
> 

That address should have read:  http://users.ids.net/~dogma/portfolio
Sorry about that.
-- 

			   Dave Rizzolo
			dv8studio@ids.net


	     "Designers solve other people's problems, 
		     artists create their own."


From kendrick@iglou.com Sat Aug  3 09:53:57 EDT 1996
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raa (raa@indigo.ie) wrote:

: -- 
: ; winvn.ini

: SignatureFile=C:\INDIGO\NEWS\WinVn.ini

[SNIP copy of winvn.ini]


It should be illegal for some people to own computers with modems.

Or at least require licensing.


Jeff

kendrick@iglou.com



From webmaster@constr.com Sat Aug  3 09:53:58 EDT 1996
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From: dpeeks@constr.com (The Construction Site)
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Get MIRRORED today! See: http://www.constr.com/mirror.htm

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A Web Page without a home is a "Homeless Page" Copyrighted 1995, 1996 All rights 
reserved.


From dogma@conan.ids.net Sat Aug  3 09:53:59 EDT 1996
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From: Dave Rizzolo <dogma@conan.ids.net>
Newsgroups: comp.cad.autocad,comp.cad.cadence,alt.architecture.alternative
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I am currently looking for a position with a firm in the  
Providence/Boston area. Both my resume and portfolio can be found at:

	http://users/ids/net/~dogma/portfolio.


-- 

			   Dave Rizzolo
			dv8studio@ids.net


	     "Designers solve other people's problems, 
		     artists create their own."


From chughman@cadvision.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:00 EDT 1996
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HELLO EVERYBODY FROM CANADIAN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM IN CALGARY


From fleur@cyberramp.net Sat Aug  3 09:54:01 EDT 1996
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you'll post, such as 15-20 postings or more!  Always have a goal in
mind!!! If you can UUE encode the file when uploading,  that will make
it easier for the people to receive it and have it downloaded to their
hard drive.  That way they get a copy of the article right on their
computer without hassles of viewing and then saving the article from
the File menu. Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text
file. The best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's
Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins
look right without making the screen slide left or right when at the
ends of the sentences, you're in business!

5.  If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS, or
"POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file, tell them
who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE GLAD TO HELP.
I would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too many
internet software packages with slightly different yet relatively
simple ways to post or upload a file.  Just ask for help or look in
the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for GNN, you simply
select 'POST' then enter a catchy description under the subject box,
choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT 'TXT', then choose 'Browse'
to go look for the file. Find your text file CASH.TXT and click on it
and choose 'OK'.  Place a one line statement in the main body section
of the message post screen. Something like "Download this to read how
to get cash arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever.
Just make sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something
like..."Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!"

You'll never get ANY responses!
 
6.  And this is the step I like.  JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE
CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!!  Expect to see a little money start to
trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE MONEY STORM
WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it out of the
mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway) when you
realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!!

7.  So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something
special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life (or
the one you want in your life)  a gift they'll never forget.  ENJOY
LIFE!

8.  Now when you get low on this money supply,  simply re-activate
this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you originally
posted and possibly some new places you now know of. Don't ever lose
this file, always keep a copy at your reach for when you ever need
cash.  THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND
TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS NEEDED!


*******************************************************************
*****************************************************************
THE NAMES LIST       THE NAMES LIST      THE NAME LIST
*******************************************************************    
HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!!
*
*
*  1. Peter Yiu
*     115 Harvest Moon Drive
*     Markham, Ont
*     L3R 4L5
*
*  2. Shane Uhlir
*     121 S. Beltwoods Dr.
*     DeSoto, TX 75115
*
*  3. Shane Wilkins
*     4365 N. 680th W.
*     Oak Harbor, Wa. 98277
*
*  4. Scott Carson
*     3902 English Ct.
*     West Richland, WA 99353
*
*  5. Roger Spruill
*	2710 Douglas Ave. #113
*	Dallas Texas 75219-3461 U.S.A*



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From olivier@wirehub.nl Sat Aug  3 09:54:04 EDT 1996
Article: 7483 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: oli <olivier@wirehub.nl>
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Subject: What is alternative
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Well this is it then
on the first sight it doesn't seem much of a discussion here
where is/ are the alternative architecture discussions

or what about building on water?


From phillip@vianet.on.ca Sat Aug  3 09:54:05 EDT 1996
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From: phillip@vianet.on.ca (Phillip Bertrand)
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Subject: housing Dom Rep Dude ranch
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Hi 
I am planning a dude ranch in the Dominican Republic and I am looking 
for alternative housing. I plan to use tp'. 
If you like visit my site at
http://cybersudbury.com/business/wagonwheel

Be warned I am looking for investers
Phillip Bertrand


From richs@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Sat Aug  3 09:54:06 EDT 1996
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From: richs@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
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Subject: solar wood kilns
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Hi I hope that someone can help me. I would like to build a small solar 
kiln to sit on the flat roof of my garage. It would not have to be vary 
large say 2000 board feet. For reasons of appearance I would like to keep 
the over all hight down to say 3-4 feet while length to 20-26 would be 
ok. I have enough electricity to manage fans and the like but would 
rather use solar heat. I would be greatful for information  concerning 
construction most specifically the collector and internal venting. Other 
concerns that have been brought up by cohort are dehumidifiers and 
instrumentation. I live in the Edmonton Alberta Canada region if this 
data is pertinent. Thanks in advance for all your help.
                                   Richard Stevens



From jeffrey.taylor@ukonline.co.uk Sat Aug  3 09:54:07 EDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Design Services
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how does one  respond to such a service which
is a bit (sorry a lot) theory and probably without
much substance ???


From esw@u.washington.edu Sat Aug  3 09:54:08 EDT 1996
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From: Steve Shook <esw@u.washington.edu>
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Subject: Directory of Forest/Wood Products Online
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:20:07 -0700
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The Directory of Forest Products, Wood Science, & Marketing is still
growing, now containing over 1,150 unique links related specifically
to the forest/wood products and pulp & paper industries. This is the
original directory of the forest products industry on the Internet.
The link to the main page of the Directory is:

http://weber.u.washington.edu/~esw/fpm.htm

All the links have been carefully categorized into one of several
pages. These page topics include:

- Academic and Research Institutions
- Associations, Societies, Councils, Federations
- Commercial Services
- Manufacturers (products, equipment, distributors, suppliers)
- Marketing
- Mailing Lists and Newsgroups
- Publications (online and offline)
- Stock Market Information and Industry Statistics
- Sustainable Forestry and Certified Wood Products
- Other Major Wood-related Directories on the Internet

Regards,
Steve Shook


From zso1@voicenet.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:10 EDT 1996
Article: 7488 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: ZSO <zso1@voicenet.com>
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Subject: Architects Wanted
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:01:11 -0700
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Progressive A/E firm looking for Architects/Architect Intern with up to 8 
years experience. Autocad experience preferred. Competitive salary and 
benefits.


Send resume in confidence to:
CUH2A, Inc.
211 Carnegie Center
Princeton, NJ 08540-6298
Attn.: Ms. Clarkson

Or fax resume to:
Ms. Clarkson
609-454-2926

Or E-mail to:
nwatson@cuh2a.attmail.com


From zso1@voicenet.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:11 EDT 1996
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From: CUH2A <zso1@voicenet.com>
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Subject: Project Manager Wanted
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:26:40 -0700
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CUH2A, a progressive A/E firm with a nation-wide practice, is seeking a 
Project Manager with particular experience in managing the design of 
research, medical or other Hi-Tech Facilities.  The successful candidate 
will be a PE or RA, have 1-3 years Project management experience and a 
BA/MA in Architecture or a BS/MS in Engineering.  

Send resume in confidence to:
CUH2A
211 Carnegie Center
Princeton, NJ  08540-6298
Attn:  N. Adams

Or fax resume to:
Ms. Adams
609-454-2926

Or E-mail to:
nwatson@cuh2a.attmail.com


From insure@flash.net Sat Aug  3 09:54:12 EDT 1996
Article: 7490 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Jim Wood <insure@flash.net>
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Subject: REQ INFO ON WASSILY CHAIRS
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:01:00 -0600
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A friend of mine just purchased two previously owned Wassily
chrome/leather chairs that were made in Italy.  She is not sure what they
are currently selling for but believes that they are pretty expensive.
The chairs are in excellent condition but she asked me for my advice on
one issue.  I did not know what to tell her but offered to pose the
queestion on the Internet. On one of the chairs there are a few tiny dots
of rust on the chrome.  The previous owner told her that she could fix
the spots with some chrome cleaner and tin foil.  Another person advised
her to use fine steel wool and window cleaner.  I thought that
either method, especially the latter, might cause damage and
devaluation of the chairs.  Any suggestions on the best way of restoring
the chrome.  She also might be interested in selling them for a profit
too.

Thanks in advance for any feedback !

Jim Wood
insure@flash.net

NOTE: My previous message had the wrong Internet address at the end of 
the message.


From knewkirk@pacifier.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:13 EDT 1996
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From: knewkirk@pacifier.com (Kathryn Graham)
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Subject: Re: Earn $10,000+\month  Working At Home!!
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In article <4tdn2i$mh4@ns1.autonet.net>, logon@my.bbs puked in several
newsgroups:

> Could YOU use an EXTRA $100, $1000, or even $10,000+
>               every month, whether you work or not?!
>                  IT'S FREE!  NO COST - NO RISK
> 
> CALL RIGHT NOW, and start building your income today.
>           $$$  1-800-223-XXXX $$$
> 
> ///////// your sponsor's FCI   ID #   is   SH1885969 \\\\\\\


The 800# gives a voice mail number in the 619 area code.

This shit sounds as phoney as Steve Case.


Kathie


From isdnsec@markettech.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:14 EDT 1996
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From 71043.1753@compuserve.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:15 EDT 1996
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From: 71043.1753@compuserve.com (Dustin Harris)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: Slip-form rock wall
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:51:01 GMT
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Dave Meissner <davemeis@comtch.iea.com> wrote:

>Is there anyone out there familiar with slip-form rock wall 
>construction.

>I'd be interested in hearing from others who may have used the 
>Slip-Form method. I am planning to build a home soon.

	You might check out the Rocky Mountain Institute. They built their
HQ/home, a 4000 sq ft building at 7000' in the front range in Co with
slip form. They are on the web and have literature available for a
reasonable price.



From ksna@nuri.net Sat Aug  3 09:54:17 EDT 1996
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From: na kang suk <ksna@nuri.net>
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Lynne Prachyl wrote:
test.....
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> Prachyl Design Studio has arrived on the web.
> Please pay a visit, and discover some of the most original furniture on the
> planet!

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na kang suk wrote:
> 
> Lynne Prachyl wrote:
> test.....
> >
> > Prachyl Design Studio has arrived on the web.
> > Please pay a visit, and discover some of the most original furniture on the
> > planet!
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From info@netcad.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:19 EDT 1996
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Dear AEC Professionals:

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From rdettmer@buildamerica.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:20 EDT 1996
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Don't miss this week's "BUILD AMERICA RADIO NEWS MAGAZINE", broadcast 
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From awouk@ra.nilenet.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:21 EDT 1996
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In article <knewkirk-2707961726190001@news.pacifier.com>,
Kathryn Graham <knewkirk@pacifier.com> wrote:
>In article <4tdn2i$mh4@ns1.autonet.net>, logon@my.bbs puked in several
>newsgroups:
>
>> CALL RIGHT NOW, and start building your income today.
>>           $$$  1-800-223-XXXX $$$

>The 800# gives a voice mail number in the 619 area code.

it is fun to remember that calling this number once (mor eoften is
phone harassment, and illegal) costs the fool who posted the message.
that makes him pay somewhat for the costs involved in  diseeminating
his spam.

so, remember, call early, and it=f you have access to lsot of
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From yangli@po.pacific.net.sg Sat Aug  3 09:54:23 EDT 1996
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From: yangli@po.pacific.net.sg (yangli)
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Subject: cyberspace, cybertechnology and architecture
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 01:27:35 GMT
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I am having some problems with my dissertation.

I quote from "Anyplace" Edited by Cynthia C. Davidson, an article on
"Architecture/INformation" by Sylvia Lavin

".....architecture is  either obsolete or, with some minor
modifications and improvements, will remain fundamentally unchanged."

Between this virtual realm and our physical realm is an obscure semi
realm which technology until not may not be advanced enough to create
a change. That implies that cyberspace does not affect or has little
effects on architectural space?

Although the result is claimed that "....it is not the death of
architecture, but its revitalisation." The problem now which I am
looking into is how?

Some how, it is like the Modernist movement with COrbu's much-quoted
aphorism: The house is a machine for living. Using technology as a
generator for architecture, I relate it to this this
cyber-architecture movement or techno movement niw. Another problem is
so what is the break-through? Is the break throught in technology only
and not in architecture?

So, in the end, is a Cyberian's Home is just like any other home
expect for the computer?

Please comment.

Thanks

Regards,

Yangli




From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Sat Aug  3 09:54:24 EDT 1996
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From: graham@mancha.demon.co.uk (Graham Mancha)
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I'm looking for the address & fax/phone numbers for the company which
makes Ever-Level furniture feet. I think this might also be the
company name. I think also they are in the NY area. Any leads would be
greatly appreciated, thanks.
graham@mancha.demon.co.uk



From patrick@dmi.net Sat Aug  3 09:54:25 EDT 1996
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From: patrick@dmi.net (Pat Mitchell)
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Subject: Education Project: LEGO Architects NEEDED
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 00:19:19 GMT
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If you play with LEGOs, and you are a bona-fide architect, we need
you!  (Great compensation part-time, no relocation)

Pat



From webmaster@mail1.aecnet.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:26 EDT 1996
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From sher1@achilles.net Sat Aug  3 09:54:27 EDT 1996
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From: sher1@achilles.net (Jim Sheridan)
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Subject: Re: !!TURN $5 INTO MORE THAN $50 000 - GENUINE INVESTMENT
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stever@mail.saix.net (The Investor) wrote:

>NO - NOT AT A CASINO - RIGHT HERE ON THE INTERNET!

>Taking 5 minutes to read this text may be one of the best decisions you
>ever made.

>My name is not important. What is important is what happened to me.

>In December 1994, my business went bankrupt because of the poor
>state of the economy. My cars were repossessed and debt collectors were 
>hounding me like you would not believe. I owed thousands and bankruptcy 
>seemed to be my only future. My family, my reputation, my sanity and my
>life was at stake. I became very ill.

>On 9 January 1995, I saw an article in an Internet Newsgroup telling me 
>I could make $50 000 within 4 weeks for an investment of only $5. I 
>thought it was a huge joke! I spoke to my attorney and friends about it 
>and they thought likewise. But after three days of desperate struggle 
>in court to keep from going bankrupt, I decided I had nothing to lose.

>My family and I in desperation, grasped at straws and sent $1 by snail
>mail to each of 5 names and addresses specified in the article. We then 
>placed our own name and address in the article and posted it in 200 
>other newsgroups.

>Two weeks later, I started receiving money in the mail! I could not 
>believe it! Hundreds of dollars turned into thousands, and in the 4 weeks,
>I received a total of $57 883. It came from all over the world.

>If you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason whatsoever why the
>same shouldn't happen to you. This is a perfectly legitimate investment
>opportunity. You invest $5 and you receive a return on your investment.
>So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER - PERFECTLY
>LEGITIMATE!

>OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED, THEN DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT PLEASE
>PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO MAY WISH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE.

>The procedure is very simple.

>STEP 1. Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper with
>the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a $1 note or money
>order or bank draft in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to the
>following five addresses:

>1. SHANE MILLER, 2108 JOLINE, WICHITA FALLS, TX 76308 USA
>2. KEVIN KOPEC, 78 MICHAEL DRIVE, RED BANK, NJ 07701 USA
>3. GREG CARROLL, 3658 MAURICE AVE, FT. WORTH, TX 76111 USA
>4. MIKE BUREK, 2007 SUNNY BROOK DRIVE, AUSTIN, TX 78723-3451 USA
>5. THE INVESTOR, P O BOX 73253, FAIRLAND, 2030, JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA

>STEP 2. Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names up
>(5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as number 5
>on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply editing
>and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.

>STEP 3. Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there are
>17 000 of them).

>You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start 
>receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more newsgroups
>you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may want to rent a Post
>Office Box to handle the volume of mail you are likely to receive.

>If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as 
>"The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is correct!

>NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!

>Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES -
>ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200 
>postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5. 

>Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200 
>additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings.
>On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at
>number 4. You make $50.

>Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3
>or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They
>make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings
>= 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000.

>Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1
>and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list. 
>AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total 
>income in one cycle = $55 500.

>From time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take
>the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT
>ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN
>AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only
>a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return. 

>Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST FACTORS
>ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five 
>dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR 
>RETURNS.

>Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played
>out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but
>what are the chances of that happening?

>Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how
>many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with 
>COMPLETELY NEW people participating? 

>There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
>OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH!

>Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's
>the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back
>to this article easily.

>Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep
>an eye on the newsgroup postings to make sure everyone is playing
>fairly. You know where your name should be.

>REMEMBER - HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.

>ENJOY!

stick this garbage where the sun does not shine



From engineer@iinet.net.au Sat Aug  3 09:54:28 EDT 1996
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From: engineer@iinet.net.au (Healey)
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Subject: Re: alt.sewage.disposal
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Several types of reasonable cost environment friendly sewage disposals
for households are available in Western Australia. Email:  John Healey
"engineer@iinet.net.au" for info.  I am not connected with the
products.

Dan Riebs <danriebs@tcs.itis.com> wrote:

>I plan to buy land in the next year, which will probably be quite rocky.
>Regarding regular septic and mound systems, the county has it's head
>shoved where you'd normally expect to find it, any less than 24 inches
>of topsoil is unbuildable.

>Assuming I can get a variance from the county, what other kinds of
>sewage disposal systems are available for what is effectively bedrock?




From cwizard@|FUCKSPAMMERS|nol.net Sat Aug  3 09:54:29 EDT 1996
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On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:29:44 GMT, sher1@achilles.net (Jim Sheridan)
wrote:

>stever@mail.saix.net (The Investor) wrote:
>
>>NO - NOT AT A CASINO - RIGHT HERE ON THE INTERNET!
>
>>Taking 5 minutes to read this text may be one of the best decisions you
>>ever made.
[MUCH trash snipped]
>
>
>stick this garbage where the sun does not shine

You could do us a favor yourself and not quote the whole damn thing.



From aadam@algonet.se Sat Aug  3 09:54:30 EDT 1996
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From: aleksandar adam <aadam@algonet.se>
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If You run business on Your own and want to increase Your profit just 
e-mail to: aadam@algonet.se



From heinrich@intersurf.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:32 EDT 1996
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From: Paul Heinrich <heinrich@intersurf.com>
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Subject: Re: This is Illegal!!!  !!TURN $5 INTO MORE THAN $50 000 - GENUINE INVESTMENT
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x-no-archive: yes
As Mr. Allen Kadis wrote in the thread "Re: I'M MAKING TONS OF 
MONEY FROM THIS!!":
> 
> This scheme is absolutley ILLEGAL in Washington DC  Maryland and VA
> If any can confirm other states please post. Don't be fooled by
> this kind of scam. Report this kind of abuse to your local police
> if you are in any of the above mentioned states. This also is 
> Intersate Fraud acording to a lawyer in D.C. so whatever you do 
> don't be involved. Spamming is obnoxious, but stealing your 
> money is illegal.

This is true.

While slumming on some of the alt.* groups, I
found this post which offers some useful tips on
how to deal with these spams.  It espcially suggests 
ways of dealing with chain letters.

------------ start of reposted material ---------------
------------ (with permission) ------------------------

>Anti - Spam info (reclaim your NG)
>From           dd <cipher@nf-vb.mindspring.com>
>Organization   MindSpring Enterprises
>Date           19 Jul 1996 23:09:38 GMT
>
>SPAM STOPPING INFO  by "dd the anti-spammer"
>
>I have seen a return mail percentage from ISPs of about
>40% using the methods below.  Some say they are issuing
>warnings, some will tell you the spammers account has
>been canceled.  Resist the urge to post anything to their
>thread, they never read their spam, they just mass post
>looking for suckers.  Attaching articles just wastes
>bandwidth, and clutters up YOUR newsgroup!!
>
>The best way to stop spammers is to contact their ISP
>and ask politely if they would please stop the spammer.
>Vulgar language may get YOU reported!!  If the spammer
>has posted a real e-mail address, I write them and cc their
>ISP using this form :
>    postmaster@ISP.com
>
>Some spammers will try to hide their ISP from you,
>generally you can determine who they use from the
>last part of the path in the header.
>
>Also, if it is a "Quick Cash" spam, these are illegal,
>refer them to:
>
>http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm
>
>and send a copy to :
>    customer@email.usps.gov
>
>This is their fraud division.
>
>send any copy of any 'stock offer' etc to :
>    enforcement@sec.gov
>
>other folks you can notify include :
>    abuse@netcom.com (for mail abuse)
>
>For AOL spammers:  (It will probably be returned due
>to full mailbox, you know those AOL newbies must
>have Case pulling his hair out, when he's not selling
>off his stock!)
>    abuse@aol.com
>
>For Compuserve spammers:    
>    ecgintern@csi.compuserve.com

------------ end of reposted material ---------------

Hope the above post is useful in some way.

Sincerely,

Paul V. Heinrich           All comments are the
heinrich@intersurf.com     personal opinion of the writer and
Baton Rouge, LA            do not constitute policy and/or
                           opinion of government or corporate
                           entities.  This includes my employer.

"Oh timid snail, by nature weak and lowly,
Crawl up the cone of Fuji, slowly, slowly..."	
-Issa Kobayashi  (1763-1827).


From rwb@kudos.u-net.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:33 EDT 1996
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From: rwb@kudos.u-net.com (Richard W Birket)
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Subject: cracking acadr13 c4
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Anyone know how to do the above without the dongle?
I have the cd.


From smavprod@worldaccess.nl Sat Aug  3 09:54:34 EDT 1996
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Aan 31-07-96 2:05, in bericht <31FEA338.40CF@intersurf.com>, Paul Heinrich 
<heinrich@intersurf.com> schreef:

> x-no-archive: yes
> As Mr. Allen Kadis wrote in the thread "Re: I'M MAKING TONS OF 
> MONEY FROM THIS!!":
> > 
> > This scheme is absolutley ILLEGAL in Washington DC  Maryland and VA
> > If any can confirm other states please post. Don't be fooled by
> > this kind of scam. Report this kind of abuse to your local police
> > if you are in any of the above mentioned states. This also is 
> > Intersate Fraud acording to a lawyer in D.C. so whatever you do 
> > don't be involved. Spamming is obnoxious, but stealing your 
> > money is illegal.
> 
> This is true.
> 
> While slumming on some of the alt.* groups, I
> found this post which offers some useful tips on
> how to deal with these spams.  It espcially suggests 
> ways of dealing with chain letters.
> 
> ------------ start of reposted material ---------------
> ------------ (with permission) ------------------------
> 
> >Anti - Spam info (reclaim your NG)
> >From           dd <cipher@nf-vb.mindspring.com>
> >Organization   MindSpring Enterprises
> >Date           19 Jul 1996 23:09:38 GMT
> >
> >SPAM STOPPING INFO  by "dd the anti-spammer"
> >
> >I have seen a return mail percentage from ISPs of about
> >40% using the methods below.  Some say they are issuing
> >warnings, some will tell you the spammers account has
> >been canceled.  Resist the urge to post anything to their
> >thread, they never read their spam, they just mass post
> >looking for suckers.  Attaching articles just wastes
> >bandwidth, and clutters up YOUR newsgroup!!
> >
> >The best way to stop spammers is to contact their ISP
> >and ask politely if they would please stop the spammer.
> >Vulgar language may get YOU reported!!  If the spammer
> >has posted a real e-mail address, I write them and cc their
> >ISP using this form :
> >    postmaster@ISP.com
> >
> >Some spammers will try to hide their ISP from you,
> >generally you can determine who they use from the
> >last part of the path in the header.
> >
> >Also, if it is a "Quick Cash" spam, these are illegal,
> >refer them to:
> >
> >http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm
> >
> >and send a copy to :
> >    customer@email.usps.gov
> >
> >This is their fraud division.
> >
> >send any copy of any 'stock offer' etc to :
> >    enforcement@sec.gov
> >
> >other folks you can notify include :
> >    abuse@netcom.com (for mail abuse)
> >
> >For AOL spammers:  (It will probably be returned due
> >to full mailbox, you know those AOL newbies must
> >have Case pulling his hair out, when he's not selling
> >off his stock!)
> >    abuse@aol.com
> >
> >For Compuserve spammers:    
> >    ecgintern@csi.compuserve.com
> 
> ------------ end of reposted material ---------------
> 
> Hope the above post is useful in some way.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Paul V. Heinrich           All comments are the
> heinrich@intersurf.com     personal opinion of the writer and
> Baton Rouge, LA            do not constitute policy and/or
>                            opinion of government or corporate
>                            entities.  This includes my employer.
> 
> "Oh timid snail, by nature weak and lowly,
> Crawl up the cone of Fuji, slowly, slowly..." 
> -Issa Kobayashi  (1763-1827).

5$ = 5$



From joer20@aol.com(JoeR20) Sat Aug  3 09:54:35 EDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Make a lot of money fast! This actually works and is legal!...ASSHOLE !!!!
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FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!!!



From override@enter.net Sat Aug  3 09:54:36 EDT 1996
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From: override@enter.net (Nick)
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Subject: STICKERS~!!~~! STICKERS!~~!~!
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STICKERS!~~!~!STICKERS~!!~~!STICKERS~!~!~!STICKERS!~!~!

Ok here's the deal. Have you ever saw a picture, lets say in a
magazine, that you really liked, but didn't know
what to do with it? Of course you could cut it out, but then what?
Well this is what you can do with it. Send
that picture to:

Straight-edge Stickers
1724 Lehigh Ave.
Allentown PA 18103
USA

along with a self adressed stamped envelope and we'll turn that
picture into a sticker. Let me remind you
that this is in NO WAY
a scam, gimmick, rip off...ect. This is 100% leeee jiiiiiiiittt.  If
you have any doubts please contact me at:
610-791-1047 and ask
for Nick. or E-mail me at override@enter.net  with STICKERS as the
subject   How Much does it Cost? 
Unlike stickers you can buy at shops our stickers sell at the low
price of $0.50/sticker  If you would like
some sample stickers please send $1.00 and we'll send you 
back some of our work. That about raps it up. Please Distribute freely
and remember this is not a scam.




From nwatson@cuh2a.attmail.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:37 EDT 1996
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From: CUH2A <zso1@voicenet.com>
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Subject: US-NJ Project Manager Wanted
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CUH2A, a progressive A/E firm with a nation-wide practice, is seeking a 
Project Manager with particular experience in managing the design of 
research, medical or other Hi-Tech Facilities.  The successful candidate 
will be a PE or RA, have 1-3 years Project management experience and a
BA/MA 
in Architecture or a BS/MS in Engineering.

Send resume in confidence to:
CUH2A
211 Carnegie Center
Princeton, NJ  08540-6298
Attn:  N. Adams

Or fax resume to:
Ms. Adams
609-454-2926

Or E-mail to:
nwatson@cuh2a.attmail.com


From nwatson@cuh2a.attmail.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:38 EDT 1996
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Progressive A/E firm looking for Architects/Architect Intern with up to
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From GoBig@msn.com Sat Aug  3 09:54:42 EDT 1996
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too bad this is very illegal...

----------------
Chain Letters
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Source: United States Postal Inspection Service


A chain letter is a "get rich quick" scheme that promises
that your mail box will soon be stuffed full of cash if you decide
to participate. You're told you can make thousands of dollars
every month if you follow the detailed instructions in the letter.

A typical chain letter includes names and addresses of several
individuals whom you may or may not know. You are instructed to
send a certain amount of money--usually $5--to the person at the
top of the list, and then eliminate that name and add yours to
the bottom. You are then instructed to mail copies of the letter
to a few more individuals who will hopefully repeat the entire
process. The letter promises that if they follow the same procedure,
your name will gradually move to the top of the list and you'll
receive money -- lots of it.

There's at least one problem with chain letters. They're illegal
if they request money or other items of value and promise a substantial
return to the participants. Chain letters are a form of gambling,
and sending them through the mail (or delivering them in person
or by computer, but mailing money to participate) violates Title
18, United States Code, Section 1302, the Postal Lottery Statute.
(Chain letters that ask for items of minor value, like picture
postcards or recipes, may be mailed, since such items are
not things of value within the meaning of the law.)

Recently, high-tech chain letters have begun surfacing. They may
be disseminated over the Internet, or may require the copying
and mailing of computer disks rather than paper. Regardless of
what technology is used to advance the scheme, if the mail is
used at any step along the way, it is still illegal.

The main thing to remember is that a chain letter is simply a
bad investment. You certainly won't get rich. You will receive
little or no money. The few dollars you may get will probably
not be as much as you spend making and mailing copies of the chain
letter.

Chain letters don't work because the promise that all participants
in a chain letter will be winners is mathematically impossible.
Also, many people participate, but do not send money to the person
at the top of the list. Some others create a chain letter that
lists their name numerous times--in various forms with different
addressee. So, in reality, all the money in a chain is going to
one person.

Do not be fooled if the chain letter is used to sell inexpensive
reports on credit, mail order sales, mailing lists, or other topics.
The primary purpose is to take your money, not to sell information.
"Selling" a product does not ensure legality. Be doubly
suspicious if there's a claim that the U.S. Postal Service or
U.S. Postal Inspection Service has declared the letter legal.
This is said only to mislead you. Neither the Postal Service nor
Postal Inspectors give prior approval to any chain letter. 

Participating in a chain letter is a losing proposition. Turn
over any chain letter you receive that asks for money or other
items of value to your local postmaster or nearest Postal Inspector.
Write on the mailing envelope of the letter or in a separate transmittal
letter, "I received this in the mail and believe it may be
illegal." 
--end--



From Panic@ecu.campus.mci.net Sat Aug  3 09:54:43 EDT 1996
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From: Panic@ecu.campus.mci.net (Panic!)
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Subject: !!TURN $5 INTO MORE THAN $50,000 - GENUINE INVESTMENT
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NO - NOT AT A CASINO - RIGHT HERE ON THE INTERNET!

Taking 5 minutes to read this text may be one of the best decisions
you
ever made.

My name is not important. What is important is what happened to me.

In December 1994, my business went bankrupt because of the poor
state of the economy. My cars were repossessed and debt collectors
were 
hounding me like you would not believe. I owed thousands and
bankruptcy 
seemed to be my only future. My family, my reputation, my sanity and
my
life was at stake. I became very ill.

On 9 January 1995, I saw an article in an Internet Newsgroup telling
me 
I could make $50 000 within 4 weeks for an investment of only $5. I 
thought it was a huge joke! I spoke to my attorney and friends about
it 
and they thought likewise. But after three days of desperate struggle 
in court to keep from going bankrupt, I decided I had nothing to lose.

My family and I in desperation, grasped at straws and sent $1 by snail
mail to each of 5 names and addresses specified in the article. We
then 
placed our own name and address in the article and posted it in 200 
other newsgroups.

Two weeks later, I started receiving money in the mail! I could not 
believe it! Hundreds of dollars turned into thousands, and in the 4
weeks,
I received a total of $57 883. It came from all over the world.

If you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason whatsoever why the
same shouldn't happen to you. This is a perfectly legitimate
investment
opportunity. You invest $5 and you receive a return on your
investment.
So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER - PERFECTLY
LEGITIMATE!

OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED, THEN DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT
PLEASE
PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO MAY WISH TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE.

The procedure is very simple.

STEP 1. Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper with
the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a $1 note or
money
order or bank draft in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to
the
following five addresses:

1. SHANE MILLER, 2108 JOLINE, WICHITA FALLS, TX 76308 USA
2. KEVIN KOPEC, 78 MICHAEL DRIVE, RED BANK, NJ 07701 USA
3. GREG CARROLL, 3658 MAURICE AVE, FT. WORTH, TX 76111 USA
4. LEDELL SHAW, 204 FURMAN RD APT#25, BOONE NC 28607
5. CAMERON STANLEY, 714 PATTON CIR.  APT.#8  WINTERVILLE, NC 28590

STEP 2. Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names up
(5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as number
5
on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply
editing
and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.

STEP 3. Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there
are
17 000 of them).

You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start 
receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more newsgroups
you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may want to rent a
Post
Office Box to handle the volume of mail you are likely to receive.

If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as 
"The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is
correct!

NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!

Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES
-
ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200 
postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5. 

Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200 
additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings.
On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at
number 4. You make $50.

Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3
or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They
make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings
= 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000.

Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER
1
and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list. 
AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total 
income in one cycle = $55 500.

>From  time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take
the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT
ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN
AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only
a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return. 

Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST FACTORS
ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five 
dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR 
RETURNS.

Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played
out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but
what are the chances of that happening?

Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how
many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with 
COMPLETELY NEW people participating? 

There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH!

Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's
the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back
to this article easily.

Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep
an eye on the newsgroup postings to make sure everyone is playing
fairly. You know where your name should be.

REMEMBER - HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.

ENJOY!


From irmca@irmca.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:01 EDT 1996
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From dlinsalata@aecnet.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:03 EDT 1996
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From bk720@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep  3 12:43:05 EDT 1996
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From: bk720@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carl Steen)
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Subject: Toronto's new Healthy House
Date: 22 Aug 1996 01:56:10 GMT
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Just read an article of perhaps a harbinger house of things
to come.
A house built in downtown Toronto which is completely off
grid, solar, self sustaining and recycling etc.
(and one must address it as "Hal" when one enters the door
and be extra careful about what one does and says, etc. :)

Seriously there was a similar project, The Integral Urban
House in the early 70s in Berkeley and a 
and a great book written about it as well.
Any firsthand accounts of the Toronto house would please
post here about it.
Carl Steen

That was the Integral Urban House in Berkeley.


From wossene@concentric.net Tue Sep  3 12:43:06 EDT 1996
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From: sewnet mamo <wossene@concentric.net>
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Subject: Re: Free advice on your project
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:11:36 -0700
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Anthony M. Ippolito wrote:
> 
> Anthony M. Ippolito wrote:
> >
> > I am offering FREE advice on construction related projects.
> > See my home page at:
> >
> > http://raptor.cqi.com/~tony


Anthony, 
I was happy to find your note regarding advices or suggestions.

I am interested in finding an architect (students needing school projects 
maybe?) who could do a rough sketch for renovation of a historical 
property (2 floors about 42,000 sq.ft.).  Rough sketch is necessary to 
get an estimate of the renovation cost, before actually bidding for the 
property.    

The first floor is to be used only for commercial purpose mostly, 
nonprofit offices and stores.  Second floor is to be renovated into 
living quarters of some sort, so additions of bath rooms and kitchens 
etc.. is needed.  Funding might be available for the final drawing needed 
for the property.     Please help  I have only about a week before the 
final bidding date.  Property is in Pasadena, California.    E-mail 
(Wossene@concentric.net)  Thanks!!


From be417@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Sep  3 12:43:08 EDT 1996
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From: be417@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Robert W. Tom)
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Carl Steen (bk720@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

[snip]
> Any firsthand accounts of the Toronto house would please
> post here about it.

Hi Carl; [You again ?!?]

The Toronto Healthy House was one of the winning submissions to the
"Healthy Housing Competition" sponsored by Canada Mortgage & Housing Corp.
(CHMC) two or three years ago.

The entry by Martin Leifhebber, Architect (Toronto) was called "CODICILE"
and a description of the competition entry is appended W-A-Y below. 

The actual design "as-built" and known as the "Toronto Healthy House" was
described by its owner/builder in posts to the strawbale listserv which
will be found in the archives at

http://solstice.crest.org/efficiency/strawbale-list-archive/index.html 
 
The posts had "CODICILE" in the subject heading and were sent in on Jan 10
and Jan 12, 1996. Rolf (the builder) describes the numerous changes that
were made to the competition scheme.
                              *
A discussion of the waste water handling system will be found at: 

     http://mha-net.org/msb/html/papers-n/palo01/wastewa.htm 

For interested parties who do not have WWW access, feel free to e-mail me
for copies of any of the above. They are a bit too lengthy to post here.

                           --- * ---

excerpts from CMHC booklet: 
          " HEALTHY HOUSING DESIGN COMPETITION FINALISTS".

PROJECT DESCRIPTION
... small three-storey dwelling ...for construction on the rear portion of
     urban lots facing a back lane 
...850 sq foot home is a six metre (20 feet) cube with two bedrooms and     
     a rooftop greenhouse
...the house is entirely self-sufficient, making no use of the urban energy
     grid or the municipal infrastructure for sewage, storm water,potable
     water or waste disposal

HIGHLIGHTS:

OCCUPANT HEALTH
* many of the materials and products which are common sources of off-gas  
  emissions are eliminated from this design
* the house includes a ventilation system designed for ultra low-energy  
  operation 

ENERGY EFFICIENCY
* well-insulated cube design has inherently modest space heating demands  
  which can be met by an efficient wood stove together with active and  
  passive solar gains

* the house is not connected to the hydro grid. Electricity needs are met
     by a photovoltaic array and a thermopile which converts heat from the  
     woodstove into electricity. Battery storage is included in this
     system.

* carefully selected lighting and appliances require minimal electricity

* vegetative cover on exposed surfaces provides transpiration cooling in  
  summer

RESOURCE EFFICIENCY
*the house is not connected to municipal water and sewage services. It is
     designed to catch rainwater which is then purified by reverse osmosis
     and UV system and then held in storage

* Greywater from the house is bio-treated in organic filtration beds and    
     then returned to the purification process for re-use

* Food wastes and toilet discharge are composted

* All water fixtures are conserving. The toilet requires only 350 ml (11.83 
     US fl oz) per flush

ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY
* Organic wastes are converted to soil additives and used on site

TECHNICAL INFORMATION 

Floor Area:    113 m^2  (1215 ft^2) including unheated roof deck

Foundation crawl-space: Grey Water Treatment Tank, Composting Tank          

Ground Floor: Living rm, Kitchen, Entry Vestibule, double-height Dining
               Area/ Winter Garden

2nd Floor: 2 bedrooms , compartmented (2) 3 pc bath

3rd Floor: Sun Deck, 2 (Other) Decks, Greenhouse

Annual Space Heating Energy Requ'mnts: 2750 kWh

Estimated Total Annual Energy Cost:     $80 (off grid - 1/3 cord of wood)

Estimated Annual Water Consumption: Collects and Treats Water

Estimated Construction Cost:  $126,426 (includes Goods & Services Tax
(GST)) (not including land)

--
Rob  Tom
---------- * ------------
be417@FreeNet.Carleton.ca
Kanata,  Ontario,  Canada



From yorath@tnet.net Tue Sep  3 12:43:10 EDT 1996
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From: yorath@tnet.net (Eric Yorath)
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I am looking for web sites of architects or designers involved in the
design of public swiming pools. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance

Eric



From mirco.gallina@mail.verbania.alpcom.it Tue Sep  3 12:43:12 EDT 1996
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"H. Bui" <hungbui@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>Any information that will help me to find a manufacturer of the followings
>would be very welcome:

>(1) A production line to manufacture bricks

>(2) A production line to manufacture accessories of a kitchen or bathroom
>sinks (such as water taps..)

Hello my name is Mirco Gallina and I work for a compani Bovere Graniti
We produce many thinks in granit like kichen top or bathroom top, look
at my home page, I hope is that you look for.

Bye






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>>Any information that will help me to find a manufacturer of the followings
>>would be very welcome:

>>(1) A production line to manufacture bricks

Call the Brick Institute of America at (703) 620-0010 for information.







From iaijakarta@hotmail.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:15 EDT 1996
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International Conference on Traditions and Modernity
Contemporary Architecture in Southeast Asia and Beyond

   Venue:      International Le Meridien Hotel, Jakarta, Indonesia
   Date:       December 9 - 11, 1996
   Organisers: Mercu Buana University (Indonesia) &
               University of Tasmania (Australia)


CONFERENCE THEME

Traditions and modernity, east and west, local identity and global
integration, regionalism and internationalism: these dichotomies
have been discussed for decades, but they have never been so
urgently relevant as they are today in the fastest growing
region of the world. In Southeast Asia and the Asia Pacific 
regional, rapidly expanding modernisation compels both practitioners
and theorists to respond to these issues which affect all areas
of research, teaching, design practice and decision making
related to the built environment.

This conference, jointly organised by schools of architecture at
Mercu Buana University and the University of Tasmania, will 
involve professionals, scholars, policy makers and the broader
community in the region and beyond. The conference is a multi-
disciplinary event that will address the many issues surrounding
the relationship between traditions and modernity in contemporary
architectural practice. The purpose of this conference is to 
open up debate on these issues and help formulate practices and
polices that reflect these critical concerns in anticipation of
new architectural and urban forms in the century to come.

TOPICS

- Traditional architecture and urbanism in Southeast Asia, East
  Asia, the Pacific and related regions Social, cultural and
  theoretical aspects of traditional architecture and urbanism
  in the regions
- Conservation of built forms of historical value
- Contextual planning and design in relation to traditional forms
  and activities
- Current cultural and theoretical issues in architecture 
  and urbanism
- Current design strategies in architecture
- Curren planning strategies and policies in urbanism
- Practical aspects of architectural and planning practices today
  and other relevant topics

SCHEDULE

15 October 1996:    Deadline for receipt of final papers
9-11 December 1996: Presentation of papers

PUBLICATION

Conference papers will be published and available at the
conference. Guidelines for the form of papers will be given.

COST

US $ 300 for registration prior to November 1, 1996; thereafter US $ 350.

The cost includes conference proceedings, a conference kit, a
certificate, lunch and coffee break in the morning and
afternoon, a visit to Indonesian heritage architecture around
Jakarta, and a dinner at the International Le Meridien Hotel
at the end of the conference.

If you are interested in attending this conference, please fill
in the attached form and send it to the address given.

Further information is available from:

          Conference Secretary
          Traditions and Modernity
          Department of Architecture, University of Tasmania
          PO Box 1214, Launceston, Tas 7250, Australia

          Tel: +61-03-243139
          Fax: +61-03-243557
          E-mail: Jian.Zhu@arch.utas.edu.au
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Traditions and Modernity
Contemporary Architecture in Southeast Asia and Beyond
December 9-11, 1996, Jakarta Indonesia

I wish to attend the conference.

Title:        __________________________________________________________

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              __________________________________________________________

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              Please send this form to: Conference Secretary, Traditions
              and Modernity, Department of Architecture, University of 
              Tasmania, PO Box 1214, Launceston, Tas. 7250, Australia.

****************************************************
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      Sekretariat: Jakarta Design Center Lt. 6
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        Telp. 5304711, 5304719 - Fax 5304711
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From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Tue Sep  3 12:43:16 EDT 1996
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george p swanton <swanton@river.biddeford.com> wrote:
>Nick Pine <nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu> wrote:
>>Conrad  <riverbank@ibm.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Passive solar has a big drawback due to the laws of physics. Since you
>>>are LIVING WITHIN your heat storage medium you MUST put up with
>>>temperature variations.
>>
>>False.
>
>If you can provide an example system design

I've been doing that here for two years now, George :-) 
Including a long email correspondence with you, in which
you seemed unable to understand it... 

>for a 100% passive system (that means no fans, pumps, etc)

I don't think that matters much. Sure, $15 thermostats and $50 2 Watt
dampers and 36 Watt fans are not purely passive, but passive purity seems 
old-fashioned, compared to comfort, simplicity and cost-effectiveness. 

>that doesn't experience temperature variation, ie

Not even 0.001 degrees? :-)

>maintains constant design temperature (365 day - 24 hour)
>throughout a dwelling of arbitrary plan at arbitrary latitude,

A circus tent at the North Pole? :-)

>we might not consider your assertion completely unsubstantiated. 

Have We mistaken ourselves for The Queen?

Some people seem to take longer to catch on than others, eg people
who are unwilling to do arithmetic or high-school physics... 

>[BTW: It has to be feasible, no NASA budgets...]

Good idea.

>The storage medium will unavoidably vary in temperature.
>The variation within the dwelling may be damped but
>cannot be entirely eliminated.

Bullshit. If the heatstore is always warmer than the house proper,
by design, there is no need for house temperature variations.

1. Look up the average winter temp and amount of sun where you live.
2. Find out how much heat your house needs on that average day.
3. Design some sort of low-thermal mass "sunspace" to provide that heat.
4. Put a solar closet behind it, with enough water to store heat for a week. 

Put a water heater above it with a warmwater convection loop, if you like. 

There are a number of ways to move air. Natural convection works, eg with
dampers that open and close using bimetallic springs, for passive purists,
but that requires larger dampers than systems that use thermostats and
small fans...  

Nick



From suzywtloss@aol.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:18 EDT 1996
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I'm looking for information on manufactured housing.  I need to know what
it is and where I can find more information about it.  I was also
wondering, if a manufactured home can be put together on a piece of land
that one owns and whether city ordinances can prevent this.
Thanks, Suzy.  Email to SuzyWtloss@aol.com


From axel.karcher@stud.uni-hannover.de Tue Sep  3 12:43:20 EDT 1996
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i am planning to spend one year (from november) in chile. but 
the problem for me is to get inside information about architectural 
schools is chile esp. santiago and valparaiso.

would be happy, if you could help me!


From psmj@tiac.net Tue Sep  3 12:43:22 EDT 1996
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Dear AEC Professionals:

We would like to thank all of the individuals who took the time to add
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From aardvark2@gnn.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:26 EDT 1996
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Do you or your firm work in adaptive reuse?I am currently a 
graduate student at the GSD, one year from thesis.  I am very 
interested in the potentials of adaptive re-use, economically and 
ethically.  Unfortunately, I have had a hard time finding firms or 
individuals who have focused on this subject.  One advisor has 
warned me --"just be certain you do not get stuck doing 
preservation."  Is this a problem?  Is adaptive reuse generally 
limited to the preservation sector?  
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
PC  



From solar3d@teleport.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:27 EDT 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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Robert and Amy Appleton wrote:
> 
> Hello, I'm interested in building a solar home from the ground up.  My
> wife and I are currently looking into options in this area of design.
> Please any input or ideas would be appreciated.
> 
>                                          Robert and Amy Appleton

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From info@adcon.be Tue Sep  3 12:43:29 EDT 1996
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From bardin@gte.net Tue Sep  3 12:43:30 EDT 1996
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Does anyone know of any highly rated software programs (for 
non-architects) readily available that I could use to play around with 
ideas for an addition onto my house? -Keith  (bardin@gte.net)


From FreePager@gnn.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:32 EDT 1996
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<<<***Do not vote for Bob Dole***>>> READ THIS

#1 Reason. It is not possible to cut taxes as much as he wants, no matter what he says. Even if he cuts taxes as much as he wants to, this country will be in deep sh*t for many years. Because this country will have HUGE d
eficit spending. 
#2 Reason. This year republicans went out of control. They are very LOW people. They insult poor president and he is right by not responding back with President.
It is low cultured to give jokes and insults to your opponents, people do this when they fall really LOW, when they know they are going to lose.
This GOP convention was a real shame for the Republican Party and for the whole America.
I had never seen Americans fell so low.
Republicans try to do everything to make Bill Clinton guilty in Whitewater Scandal.
This year Republicans act like UNCULTURED PIGS.


Even if you’re a Republican you were probably ashamed by how your ‘brothers’ acted at GOP convention.
You understand that our only choice is BILL CLINTON!
Well, I don’t have to tell you how good Bill Clinton is, we already know it. 
Vote for Clinton.


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From builder@deltanet.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:33 EDT 1996
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From: builder@deltanet.com (BuilderNet)
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BuilderNet Announces Its New Referral Program!!!!!

Now you can search through our on-line catalogs, 
earmark the products you are interested in and contact 
their manufacturers directly from our web site.

Don’t waste time leafing through conventional catalogs 
and waiting on hold or being forwarded from desk to 
desk at some corporate office.  Select the manufacturers 
you are interested in by placing a check mark in the box 
next to their listing, compose your message and click on
 the submit button.  Your message will be delivered, at 
once, to all the manufacturers you have selected.

To use the service visit BuilderNet at 

http//www.buildernet.com
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

If you are a manufacturer and would like to sign up for
the program during our free trial period, please contact 
our office at (818) 757-3844.

http//www.buildernet.com


From sandradp@deakin.edu.au Tue Sep  3 12:43:35 EDT 1996
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From: sandradp@deakin.edu.au (sandra prendergast)
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I want to buy a cabin about 10 meters by 6 meters with a loft.  Is there a 
company that sells them premade, with only basic work to put it together?


From rogue@rfci.net Tue Sep  3 12:43:36 EDT 1996
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when i was little i saw a home built by spraying a foam solution on the 
inside of a giant balloon.it was named xanado. located in gattlinburg, 
tenn., usa. it has since been torn down. i know they are still made. if 
anyone has information on these type of homes please e-mail me at 
rogue@rfci.net thank you


From bobzilla@netbox.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:38 EDT 1996
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builder@deltanet.com (BuilderNet) wrote:

PLEASE TRY TO GET THE COLON IN:
http:
Otherwise, your URL won't get you very far.

>BuilderNet Announces Its New Referral Program!!!!!

>Now you can search through our on-line catalogs, 
>earmark the products you are interested in and contact 
>their manufacturers directly from our web site.

>Don’t waste time leafing through conventional catalogs 
>and waiting on hold or being forwarded from desk to 
>desk at some corporate office.  Select the manufacturers 
>you are interested in by placing a check mark in the box 
>next to their listing, compose your message and click on
> the submit button.  Your message will be delivered, at 
>once, to all the manufacturers you have selected.

>To use the service visit BuilderNet at 

>http//www.buildernet.com
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
http>:<    [without the > <]
THE COLON IS NECESSARY:

>If you are a manufacturer and would like to sign up for
>the program during our free trial period, please contact 
>our office at (818) 757-3844.

>http//www.buildernet.com
>http>:<  . . .




From jfuller@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:40 EDT 1996
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From: jfuller@ix.netcom.com(Jef Fuller )
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thanks for all the input from everyone.
we are making the changes to the colors that were so hard to read.
we wrote the html with the netcom veiwer to check ourselves.
so we never knew what the colors and background looked like.

we moved up to our true domain name:  www.dncarch.com

thanks again for all the comments!!
jfuller@ix.netcom.com
mhopkins@www.dncarch.com


From dtowens@cogent.net Tue Sep  3 12:43:41 EDT 1996
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If this is a typical democrat, God save us.




>#1 Reason. It is not possible to cut taxes as much as he wants, no matter what
>he says. Even if he cuts taxes as much as he wants to, this country will be in
>deep sh*t for many years. Because this country will have HUGE d
>eficit spending. 
>#2 Reason. This year republicans went out of control. They are very LOW people.
>They insult poor president and he is right by not responding back with
>President.



>It is low cultured to give jokes and insults to your opponents, people do this
>when they fall really LOW, when they know they are going to lose.
>This GOP convention was a real shame for the Republican Party and for the whole
>America.
>I had never seen Americans fell so low.
>Republicans try to do everything to make Bill Clinton guilty in Whitewater
>Scandal.
>This year Republicans act like UNCULTURED PIGS.



>Even if you’re a Republican you were probably ashamed by how your ‘brothers’
>acted at GOP convention.
>You understand that our only choice is BILL CLINTON!
>Well, I don’t have to tell you how good Bill Clinton is, we already know it. 
>Vote for Clinton.







From jbrady1@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep  3 12:43:43 EDT 1996
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Clinton is a fucking CROOK!!!In article <dtowens.262.00073D7A@cogent.net>,
dtowens@cogent.net (David Owens) wrote:

> If this is a typical democrat, God save us.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >#1 Reason. It is not possible to cut taxes as much as he wants, no
matter what
> >he says. Even if he cuts taxes as much as he wants to, this country
will be in
> >deep sh*t for many years. Because this country will have HUGE d
> >eficit spending. 
> >#2 Reason. This year republicans went out of control. They are very LOW
people.
> >They insult poor president and he is right by not responding back with
> >President.
> 
> 
> 
> >It is low cultured to give jokes and insults to your opponents, people
do this
> >when they fall really LOW, when they know they are going to lose.
> >This GOP convention was a real shame for the Republican Party and for
the whole
> >America.
> >I had never seen Americans fell so low.
> >Republicans try to do everything to make Bill Clinton guilty in Whitewater
> >Scandal.
> >This year Republicans act like UNCULTURED PIGS.
> 
> 
> 
> >Even if you’re a Republican you were probably ashamed by how your ‘brothers’
> >acted at GOP convention.
> >You understand that our only choice is BILL CLINTON!
> >Well, I don’t have to tell you how good Bill Clinton is, we already know it. 
> >Vote for Clinton.


From mtanner@iconz.co.nz Tue Sep  3 12:43:44 EDT 1996
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From: mtanner@iconz.co.nz (Mike Tanner)
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Can anyone suggest a source of information about a type of flooring I saw 
recently.

It consisted of small bead-sized stones in a colored mix, but instead of 
it just being pigmented cement, each of the beads looked like they were 
individually painted (they started out as ordinary gray stones before 
they went into the mixer). The technique was used to make quite intricate 
patterns, with a variety of colors, on the floor.

Is there some additive that will get pigments to cover and stick to such 
small stones, or is there some other process involved.

Regards
MJT




From ncis1@idgonline.no Tue Sep  3 12:43:45 EDT 1996
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Does anybody know of any litterature describing the relationship between 
politics and architecture. Who decides what is going to be built, where, when, 
and what it is going to look like...

If you have any idea, please mail me or answer to the news group

--
Best Regards,
Dorte Vedal
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Dear AEC Professionals:

We would like to thank all of the individuals who took the time to add
their firms to the list.

Netcad Corporation invites all Architectural, Engineering and 
Construction Professionals to add their business card to our 
directory.
please visit

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Ekotecture International Incorporated

Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations to design, build, manufacture 
install and maintain integrated natural energy environments which are 
powered by the universal energies of gravity, solar and geothermal 
inertia, evaporation & condensation& phase change.

Integrated natural energy environments or Ekospheres™ are defined as 
self-contained, self-sufficient, solar gravity geothermal powered, 
non-polluting, structurally integrated, super strength, lightweight 
molded structures which float, enabling them to resist damage from 
earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes or tidal waves. They 
provide lights, gas, water and food, required or desired by the 
occupants of the structure. 

 Mission Statement

€ Promote World Peace through the international economic 
interdependence of construction coalitions and utility management 
cartels. € Make the world a better place to live by enrlling humanity 
into supporting environmental friendly construction. € Prove our love 
and respect for humanity by dedicating ourselves to education 
concerning the conservation of our natural resources 

Vision Statement

€ Before the year 2006, Ekotecture International will have become the 
largest construction coalition and utility management cartel in the 
world. € We will be respected by our peers for the devlopment and 
delivery of environmentally friendly construction. € We will be sought 
after as a leader in the international business community because of 
our innovative and creative marketing of premier Ekotecture 
technology. € We will be the catalyst for world wide utility 
management which conserves our earth¹s natural resources. 

A History of Ekose¹a and Ekotecture

In 1979, with the assistance of architect William Pearson and the 
Ekose¹a™ San Francisco staff of architects and environmental designers 
, we wrote and published the book, Ekose¹a Homes ©1979, describing the 
plans and details of the solar, gravity convection, geothermal 
envelope for single family homes which could be designed for all 
micro-climates, worldwide. Between November 1979 and April 1980, the 
Ekose¹a office received as many as one thousand requests for 
information daily, from people who had been exposed to the Ekose¹a 
concept and examples of the homes through magazines, newspapers and 
television programs world wide. 

The energy shortage and gasoline crisis in 1975 activated the mass 
media, attention, who by 1980 were putting alternative energy designs 
and inventors on the cover of every national magazine. Fortunately, 
for Ekose¹a™, this positive publicity created a public demand for our 
publications and professional services. Between 1979 and 1981, this 
publicity drove the sales of more than 45,000 buyers to purchase our 
book and 15,000 purchased construction documents, specifications and 
limited supervision. From this activity and later follow up studies, 
we now estimate that there are approximately 20,000 occupied Ekose¹a™ 
double envelope homes worldwide. 

The superior comfort and health standards , interior air quality and 
thermal performance is now well known after fourteen years of history 
by satisfied owners. The houses have been monitored and documented by 
universities, national laboratories and individual owner builder 
experimenters all over the world. In 1981, DOE sponsored a monitoring 
& study of an Ekose¹a home built in 1980, near Newport, Rhode Island. 
The study was supervised by the Brookhaven National Laboratory¹s 
architect, Ralph Jones. They concluded that, ³the double envelope 
concept was distinguished in that it allowed for large amounts of 
glass necessary for light and views without requiring additional 
energy. They went on to add, ³ that it was the only design they had 
ever tested which could survive a severe northern winter, unattended 
without damage to the interior from freezing. 

The Ekose¹a double envelope design provided unexpected surprises and 
health benefits whenever the south facing solarium was used as a 
greenhouse garden room. When filled with plants, the envelope air 
provides an natural electrostatic air ionizing and filtering system. 
The Ekose¹a™ homes provide an ideal living space, as they have the 
potential of being filled with beautiful colored flowers, delightful 
aromas, and green foliage plants which produce oxygen from converted 
carbon dioxide. 

Fast forward 15 years.

In 1991, in the book, Earth in the Balance Albert Gore predicts a 
global civil war, between the haves and the have nots, resulting from 
the finite limitations of our present energy technologies and the 
resources they demand to supply the projected global demand into the 
next century. He calls for the ³new organizing principle² of 
civilization to be the search for human life support systems which can 
be sustained indefinitely and he makes a passionate plea for America 
to use it¹s technological superiority and ingenuity to lead the world 
in this critical mission. 

In 1993, responding to growing interest and awareness of architects of 
this crisis, the American Institute of Architects and the 
International Congress of Architects choose ³sustainable 
development²as the theme of their annual convention They called for 
solutions to sustainable development in an international competition 
to be judged at the time of the annual AIA convention. There has been 
so much controversy surrounding the subject of defining ³sustainable 
development² that the judging was delayed and they have yet to 
circulate the results as promised. 

In 1994. President Clinton appointed a panel of national business, 
scientific and political leaders to the National Commission on 
sustainable Development. After more than two years of controversy and 
endless meetings, it has become obvious that none of these committee 
members could agree on what sustainable development actually consists 
of. They have yet to come to terms with the jargon and the definition 
of sustainability. 

In 1995, responding to the growing perception within the engineering 
professions that finding a solution to this 
economic-scientific-environmental global crisis must now receive the 
highest priority, the Provost of MIT, the world¹s leading 
technological research institution asked the head of it¹s Civil 
Engineering Department, Professor David Marks, to step down and direct 
an interdisciplinary team to find sustainable solutions. They created 
the Program for Environmental Engineering, Education and Research 
which will be known as PEEER. MIT then joined the University of Tokyo 
and the Federated Universities of Switzerland to form the The 
International Alliance for Global Sustainability. The first conference 
was held recently in Peking China. 

The question being asked by all of these chief executives, 
commissioners, scientists and construction professionals alike is; 
Which sustainable alternative, pollution free technologies can satisfy 
the present global demand for energy, comfort and conveniences without 
sacrificing our future security or compromising our future ability to 
provide these luxuries and necessities to all who will want and need 
them, into and beyond the next century? 

In 1995, fifteen years since the initial success of the Ekose¹a Homes, 
I have continued to research and have invented, developed and refined 
an expanded concept which I call a ³sustainable construction 
structure² ( patent pending, 1995 )  or Ekotecture©™ or Ekospheres™, 
featuring a radically improved gravity, solar, geothermal envelope 
with multiple air passages which can control the temperature and 
humidity of each room individually, using either manual or computer 
controlled air flow dampers and as further described below. 

In inventing the word Ekotecture©™, I am proposing that humanity 
needs to become familiar with a a new household term, Ekotecture©™, 
an entirely new discipline or field of study which is defined as the 
³art and science of designing and building affordable, aesthetically 
pleasing, environmentally and economically sustainable structures 
which protect human life, nature and material property during 
catastrophic natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires, floods, 
hurricanes and tornadoes. This new subject would be known as 
Ekotecture©™. 

Ekotecture©™ which we plan to manufacture is further defined as an 
injection molded, super lightweight masonry & ceramic parts of 
structures , including a floating foundation for the building above 
which contains the required equipment, tanks and on board computers 
necessary to regulate and maintain the required utility service for 
the building. These structural modules, could be used individually to 
create homes or grouped together to create large buildings. 

The result is a lightweight, fireproof, insect resistant, floating 
material which resists heat and moisture transfer. It can be easily 
cut and sawn by ordinary carpenters, using ordinary tools. 

This structure and floating foundation provide a framework around 
which owners, real estate developers, designers, architects, engineers 
and contractors have wide latitude to create the exterior style and 
finish of the building, according to the individual tastes, 
preferences and needs of each client, site or situation. 

Ekospheres©™ are space frames, taking advantage of the geodesic and 
egg shaped geometric & crystalline synergies of crystals and minimum 
use of materials. In the finished architecture, the Ekotecture 
infrastructure is invisible to the observer and in no way limits the 
style, character or building function. 

The base is comprised of a series of interconnected interlocking 
crystaline shaped tanks and equipment compartments, for the regulation 
and processing of the passive solid state systems. These systems 
provide perfectly mineralized domestic water, electric power, natural 
gas for cooking & ceramic fireplaces or ceremonial flames. They 
provide landscape fertilizer and water and they provide enclosed space 
heating,cooling and refrigeration. All of this is surrounded, of 
course by a series of airways cast in the molded frame. Some of the 
crystaline compartments will be filled with air for floatation.

These voids, the gravity solar geothermal convection envelopes conduct 
heating and cooling air , other voids provide spaces for pipes, 
telephone and shielded cables. The main household or building 
electrical current is conducted through a doped portion of the wall 
itself. Outlets simply connect to the positive and the negative 
channels to provide 12 direct current current anywhere in the 
structure, without generating harmful alternating currents that can 
kill. 

The quality of air inside envelope structures has already been 
observed, experienced and documented. A superior level of both comfort 
and health is being testified to by owners who have lived in the homes 
for more than 12 years. Testimony from Ekose¹a clients claim that 
allergies and other respiratory diseases such as colds and flu 
disappeared when the individual occupied an envelope home filled with 
plants. 

Our intention is to organize and create a global cartel of individual 
real estate developers, contractors and manufacturers, all organized 
and relating to a single data base and internal business economy or 
accounting system. Ekotecture International Incorporated will 
manufacture, install and deliver the floating biospheres or 
Ekospheres™. A subsidiary company of Ekotecture, Mothers of 
Maintenance or MOM™ incorporated will be organized to maintain the 
utility systems on board. Stock in both Ekotecture and MOM will be 
sold to the owners of the present energy and utility cartels and 
companies. Both companies will be employee owned and employee managed. 

We see the prototype development taking place in partnership with 
major universities. We have initiated discussion at MIT , RISD., U of 
Oregon, U of Glasgow. The programs would be funded by DOE, DOD, EPA 
and HEW. We believe that it is logical to use the retired DOD ship and 
submarine building facilities in cities like Charleston and others. 
The existing hydraulics and construction bays would save millions in 
the initial start up costs. Start up capital is being solicited from 
venture capitalists and the corporation plans to make application for 
funding through the Advanced Technology Program, recently created by 
the administration of Clinton and Gore. 

The initial prototypes are as follows;

(1) A 2000 sq. ft. single family detached home designed for the gated 
country club developments South Florida.
(2) A 1500 sq. ft. middle income tract home in Southern California or 
Nevada
(3) A 400 Sq. ft. Basic shelter for the undeveloped world market, 
Chine, India and Africa.
(4) A 2000 sq. ft. floating home and garden with swimming pool

All four prototypes will be manufactured simultaneously.

The Ekotecture concept will create millions of jobs world wide and 
will stimulate the economy of the United states and every other 
country which participates in its manufacture or maintenance. By 
creating a win, win, win scenario, all intelligent and motivated 
people will choose to get involved , making Ekotecture a global 
solution within the next 5 years. 

Your support and participation is invited, appreciated and vital. 

Ekotecture International Inc.
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
or by Fax (407) 833-6834
telephone (407) 659-7656

or Email, lbutler@.emi.net

You can see the home page for ekosea homes at www.webcast1.com/ekosea


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Ekotecture International Incorporated

Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations to design, build, manufacture 
install and maintain integrated natural energy environments which are 
powered by the universal energies of gravity, solar and geothermal 
inertia, evaporation & condensation& phase change.

Integrated natural energy environments or Ekospheres™ are defined as 
self-contained, self-sufficient, solar gravity geothermal powered, 
non-polluting, structurally integrated, super strength, lightweight 
molded structures which float, enabling them to resist damage from 
earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes or tidal waves. They 
provide lights, gas, water and food, required or desired by the 
occupants of the structure. 

 Mission Statement

€ Promote World Peace through the international economic 
interdependence of construction coalitions and utility management 
cartels. € Make the world a better place to live by enrlling humanity 
into supporting environmental friendly construction. € Prove our love 
and respect for humanity by dedicating ourselves to education 
concerning the conservation of our natural resources 

Vision Statement

€ Before the year 2006, Ekotecture International will have become the 
largest construction coalition and utility management cartel in the 
world. € We will be respected by our peers for the devlopment and 
delivery of environmentally friendly construction. € We will be sought 
after as a leader in the international business community because of 
our innovative and creative marketing of premier Ekotecture 
technology. € We will be the catalyst for world wide utility 
management which conserves our earth¹s natural resources. 

A History of Ekose¹a and Ekotecture

In 1979, with the assistance of architect William Pearson and the 
Ekose¹a™ San Francisco staff of architects and environmental designers 
, we wrote and published the book, Ekose¹a Homes ©1979, describing the 
plans and details of the solar, gravity convection, geothermal 
envelope for single family homes which could be designed for all 
micro-climates, worldwide. Between November 1979 and April 1980, the 
Ekose¹a office received as many as one thousand requests for 
information daily, from people who had been exposed to the Ekose¹a 
concept and examples of the homes through magazines, newspapers and 
television programs world wide. 

The energy shortage and gasoline crisis in 1975 activated the mass 
media, attention, who by 1980 were putting alternative energy designs 
and inventors on the cover of every national magazine. Fortunately, 
for Ekose¹a™, this positive publicity created a public demand for our 
publications and professional services. Between 1979 and 1981, this 
publicity drove the sales of more than 45,000 buyers to purchase our 
book and 15,000 purchased construction documents, specifications and 
limited supervision. From this activity and later follow up studies, 
we now estimate that there are approximately 20,000 occupied Ekose¹a™ 
double envelope homes worldwide. 

The superior comfort and health standards , interior air quality and 
thermal performance is now well known after fourteen years of history 
by satisfied owners. The houses have been monitored and documented by 
universities, national laboratories and individual owner builder 
experimenters all over the world. In 1981, DOE sponsored a monitoring 
& study of an Ekose¹a home built in 1980, near Newport, Rhode Island. 
The study was supervised by the Brookhaven National Laboratory¹s 
architect, Ralph Jones. They concluded that, ³the double envelope 
concept was distinguished in that it allowed for large amounts of 
glass necessary for light and views without requiring additional 
energy. They went on to add, ³ that it was the only design they had 
ever tested which could survive a severe northern winter, unattended 
without damage to the interior from freezing. 

The Ekose¹a double envelope design provided unexpected surprises and 
health benefits whenever the south facing solarium was used as a 
greenhouse garden room. When filled with plants, the envelope air 
provides an natural electrostatic air ionizing and filtering system. 
The Ekose¹a™ homes provide an ideal living space, as they have the 
potential of being filled with beautiful colored flowers, delightful 
aromas, and green foliage plants which produce oxygen from converted 
carbon dioxide. 

Fast forward 15 years.

In 1991, in the book, Earth in the Balance Albert Gore predicts a 
global civil war, between the haves and the have nots, resulting from 
the finite limitations of our present energy technologies and the 
resources they demand to supply the projected global demand into the 
next century. He calls for the ³new organizing principle² of 
civilization to be the search for human life support systems which can 
be sustained indefinitely and he makes a passionate plea for America 
to use it¹s technological superiority and ingenuity to lead the world 
in this critical mission. 

In 1993, responding to growing interest and awareness of architects of 
this crisis, the American Institute of Architects and the 
International Congress of Architects choose ³sustainable 
development²as the theme of their annual convention They called for 
solutions to sustainable development in an international competition 
to be judged at the time of the annual AIA convention. There has been 
so much controversy surrounding the subject of defining ³sustainable 
development² that the judging was delayed and they have yet to 
circulate the results as promised. 

In 1994. President Clinton appointed a panel of national business, 
scientific and political leaders to the National Commission on 
sustainable Development. After more than two years of controversy and 
endless meetings, it has become obvious that none of these committee 
members could agree on what sustainable development actually consists 
of. They have yet to come to terms with the jargon and the definition 
of sustainability. 

In 1995, responding to the growing perception within the engineering 
professions that finding a solution to this 
economic-scientific-environmental global crisis must now receive the 
highest priority, the Provost of MIT, the world¹s leading 
technological research institution asked the head of it¹s Civil 
Engineering Department, Professor David Marks, to step down and direct 
an interdisciplinary team to find sustainable solutions. They created 
the Program for Environmental Engineering, Education and Research 
which will be known as PEEER. MIT then joined the University of Tokyo 
and the Federated Universities of Switzerland to form the The 
International Alliance for Global Sustainability. The first conference 
was held recently in Peking China. 

The question being asked by all of these chief executives, 
commissioners, scientists and construction professionals alike is; 
Which sustainable alternative, pollution free technologies can satisfy 
the present global demand for energy, comfort and conveniences without 
sacrificing our future security or compromising our future ability to 
provide these luxuries and necessities to all who will want and need 
them, into and beyond the next century? 

In 1995, fifteen years since the initial success of the Ekose¹a Homes, 
I have continued to research and have invented, developed and refined 
an expanded concept which I call a ³sustainable construction 
structure² ( patent pending, 1995 )  or Ekotecture©™ or Ekospheres™, 
featuring a radically improved gravity, solar, geothermal envelope 
with multiple air passages which can control the temperature and 
humidity of each room individually, using either manual or computer 
controlled air flow dampers and as further described below. 

In inventing the word Ekotecture©™, I am proposing that humanity 
needs to become familiar with a a new household term, Ekotecture©™, 
an entirely new discipline or field of study which is defined as the 
³art and science of designing and building affordable, aesthetically 
pleasing, environmentally and economically sustainable structures 
which protect human life, nature and material property during 
catastrophic natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires, floods, 
hurricanes and tornadoes. This new subject would be known as 
Ekotecture©™. 

Ekotecture©™ which we plan to manufacture is further defined as an 
injection molded, super lightweight masonry & ceramic parts of 
structures , including a floating foundation for the building above 
which contains the required equipment, tanks and on board computers 
necessary to regulate and maintain the required utility service for 
the building. These structural modules, could be used individually to 
create homes or grouped together to create large buildings. 

The result is a lightweight, fireproof, insect resistant, floating 
material which resists heat and moisture transfer. It can be easily 
cut and sawn by ordinary carpenters, using ordinary tools. 

This structure and floating foundation provide a framework around 
which owners, real estate developers, designers, architects, engineers 
and contractors have wide latitude to create the exterior style and 
finish of the building, according to the individual tastes, 
preferences and needs of each client, site or situation. 

Ekospheres©™ are space frames, taking advantage of the geodesic and 
egg shaped geometric & crystalline synergies of crystals and minimum 
use of materials. In the finished architecture, the Ekotecture 
infrastructure is invisible to the observer and in no way limits the 
style, character or building function. 

The base is comprised of a series of interconnected interlocking 
crystaline shaped tanks and equipment compartments, for the regulation 
and processing of the passive solid state systems. These systems 
provide perfectly mineralized domestic water, electric power, natural 
gas for cooking & ceramic fireplaces or ceremonial flames. They 
provide landscape fertilizer and water and they provide enclosed space 
heating,cooling and refrigeration. All of this is surrounded, of 
course by a series of airways cast in the molded frame. Some of the 
crystaline compartments will be filled with air for floatation.

These voids, the gravity solar geothermal convection envelopes conduct 
heating and cooling air , other voids provide spaces for pipes, 
telephone and shielded cables. The main household or building 
electrical current is conducted through a doped portion of the wall 
itself. Outlets simply connect to the positive and the negative 
channels to provide 12 direct current current anywhere in the 
structure, without generating harmful alternating currents that can 
kill. 

The quality of air inside envelope structures has already been 
observed, experienced and documented. A superior level of both comfort 
and health is being testified to by owners who have lived in the homes 
for more than 12 years. Testimony from Ekose¹a clients claim that 
allergies and other respiratory diseases such as colds and flu 
disappeared when the individual occupied an envelope home filled with 
plants. 

Our intention is to organize and create a global cartel of individual 
real estate developers, contractors and manufacturers, all organized 
and relating to a single data base and internal business economy or 
accounting system. Ekotecture International Incorporated will 
manufacture, install and deliver the floating biospheres or 
Ekospheres™. A subsidiary company of Ekotecture, Mothers of 
Maintenance or MOM™ incorporated will be organized to maintain the 
utility systems on board. Stock in both Ekotecture and MOM will be 
sold to the owners of the present energy and utility cartels and 
companies. Both companies will be employee owned and employee managed. 

We see the prototype development taking place in partnership with 
major universities. We have initiated discussion at MIT , RISD., U of 
Oregon, U of Glasgow. The programs would be funded by DOE, DOD, EPA 
and HEW. We believe that it is logical to use the retired DOD ship and 
submarine building facilities in cities like Charleston and others. 
The existing hydraulics and construction bays would save millions in 
the initial start up costs. Start up capital is being solicited from 
venture capitalists and the corporation plans to make application for 
funding through the Advanced Technology Program, recently created by 
the administration of Clinton and Gore. 

The initial prototypes are as follows;

(1) A 2000 sq. ft. single family detached home designed for the gated 
country club developments South Florida.
(2) A 1500 sq. ft. middle income tract home in Southern California or 
Nevada
(3) A 400 Sq. ft. Basic shelter for the undeveloped world market, 
Chine, India and Africa.
(4) A 2000 sq. ft. floating home and garden with swimming pool

All four prototypes will be manufactured simultaneously.

The Ekotecture concept will create millions of jobs world wide and 
will stimulate the economy of the United states and every other 
country which participates in its manufacture or maintenance. By 
creating a win, win, win scenario, all intelligent and motivated 
people will choose to get involved , making Ekotecture a global 
solution within the next 5 years. 

Your support and participation is invited, appreciated and vital. 

Ekotecture International Inc.
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
or by Fax (407) 833-6834
telephone (407) 659-7656

or Email, lbutler@.emi.net

You can see the home page for ekosea homes at www.webcast1.com/ekosea


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Ekotecture International Incorporated

Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations to design, build, manufacture 
install and maintain integrated natural energy environments which are 
powered by the universal energies of gravity, solar and geothermal 
inertia, evaporation & condensation& phase change.

Integrated natural energy environments or Ekospheres™ are defined as 
self-contained, self-sufficient, solar gravity geothermal powered, 
non-polluting, structurally integrated, super strength, lightweight 
molded structures which float, enabling them to resist damage from 
earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes or tidal waves. They 
provide lights, gas, water and food, required or desired by the 
occupants of the structure. 

 Mission Statement

€ Promote World Peace through the international economic 
interdependence of construction coalitions and utility management 
cartels. € Make the world a better place to live by enrlling humanity 
into supporting environmental friendly construction. € Prove our love 
and respect for humanity by dedicating ourselves to education 
concerning the conservation of our natural resources 

Vision Statement

€ Before the year 2006, Ekotecture International will have become the 
largest construction coalition and utility management cartel in the 
world. € We will be respected by our peers for the devlopment and 
delivery of environmentally friendly construction. € We will be sought 
after as a leader in the international business community because of 
our innovative and creative marketing of premier Ekotecture 
technology. € We will be the catalyst for world wide utility 
management which conserves our earth¹s natural resources. 

A History of Ekose¹a and Ekotecture

In 1979, with the assistance of architect William Pearson and the 
Ekose¹a™ San Francisco staff of architects and environmental designers 
, we wrote and published the book, Ekose¹a Homes ©1979, describing the 
plans and details of the solar, gravity convection, geothermal 
envelope for single family homes which could be designed for all 
micro-climates, worldwide. Between November 1979 and April 1980, the 
Ekose¹a office received as many as one thousand requests for 
information daily, from people who had been exposed to the Ekose¹a 
concept and examples of the homes through magazines, newspapers and 
television programs world wide. 

The energy shortage and gasoline crisis in 1975 activated the mass 
media, attention, who by 1980 were putting alternative energy designs 
and inventors on the cover of every national magazine. Fortunately, 
for Ekose¹a™, this positive publicity created a public demand for our 
publications and professional services. Between 1979 and 1981, this 
publicity drove the sales of more than 45,000 buyers to purchase our 
book and 15,000 purchased construction documents, specifications and 
limited supervision. From this activity and later follow up studies, 
we now estimate that there are approximately 20,000 occupied Ekose¹a™ 
double envelope homes worldwide. 

The superior comfort and health standards , interior air quality and 
thermal performance is now well known after fourteen years of history 
by satisfied owners. The houses have been monitored and documented by 
universities, national laboratories and individual owner builder 
experimenters all over the world. In 1981, DOE sponsored a monitoring 
& study of an Ekose¹a home built in 1980, near Newport, Rhode Island. 
The study was supervised by the Brookhaven National Laboratory¹s 
architect, Ralph Jones. They concluded that, ³the double envelope 
concept was distinguished in that it allowed for large amounts of 
glass necessary for light and views without requiring additional 
energy. They went on to add, ³ that it was the only design they had 
ever tested which could survive a severe northern winter, unattended 
without damage to the interior from freezing. 

The Ekose¹a double envelope design provided unexpected surprises and 
health benefits whenever the south facing solarium was used as a 
greenhouse garden room. When filled with plants, the envelope air 
provides an natural electrostatic air ionizing and filtering system. 
The Ekose¹a™ homes provide an ideal living space, as they have the 
potential of being filled with beautiful colored flowers, delightful 
aromas, and green foliage plants which produce oxygen from converted 
carbon dioxide. 

Fast forward 15 years.

In 1991, in the book, Earth in the Balance Albert Gore predicts a 
global civil war, between the haves and the have nots, resulting from 
the finite limitations of our present energy technologies and the 
resources they demand to supply the projected global demand into the 
next century. He calls for the ³new organizing principle² of 
civilization to be the search for human life support systems which can 
be sustained indefinitely and he makes a passionate plea for America 
to use it¹s technological superiority and ingenuity to lead the world 
in this critical mission. 

In 1993, responding to growing interest and awareness of architects of 
this crisis, the American Institute of Architects and the 
International Congress of Architects choose ³sustainable 
development²as the theme of their annual convention They called for 
solutions to sustainable development in an international competition 
to be judged at the time of the annual AIA convention. There has been 
so much controversy surrounding the subject of defining ³sustainable 
development² that the judging was delayed and they have yet to 
circulate the results as promised. 

In 1994. President Clinton appointed a panel of national business, 
scientific and political leaders to the National Commission on 
sustainable Development. After more than two years of controversy and 
endless meetings, it has become obvious that none of these committee 
members could agree on what sustainable development actually consists 
of. They have yet to come to terms with the jargon and the definition 
of sustainability. 

In 1995, responding to the growing perception within the engineering 
professions that finding a solution to this 
economic-scientific-environmental global crisis must now receive the 
highest priority, the Provost of MIT, the world¹s leading 
technological research institution asked the head of it¹s Civil 
Engineering Department, Professor David Marks, to step down and direct 
an interdisciplinary team to find sustainable solutions. They created 
the Program for Environmental Engineering, Education and Research 
which will be known as PEEER. MIT then joined the University of Tokyo 
and the Federated Universities of Switzerland to form the The 
International Alliance for Global Sustainability. The first conference 
was held recently in Peking China. 

The question being asked by all of these chief executives, 
commissioners, scientists and construction professionals alike is; 
Which sustainable alternative, pollution free technologies can satisfy 
the present global demand for energy, comfort and conveniences without 
sacrificing our future security or compromising our future ability to 
provide these luxuries and necessities to all who will want and need 
them, into and beyond the next century? 

In 1995, fifteen years since the initial success of the Ekose¹a Homes, 
I have continued to research and have invented, developed and refined 
an expanded concept which I call a ³sustainable construction 
structure² ( patent pending, 1995 )  or Ekotecture©™ or Ekospheres™, 
featuring a radically improved gravity, solar, geothermal envelope 
with multiple air passages which can control the temperature and 
humidity of each room individually, using either manual or computer 
controlled air flow dampers and as further described below. 

In inventing the word Ekotecture©™, I am proposing that humanity 
needs to become familiar with a a new household term, Ekotecture©™, 
an entirely new discipline or field of study which is defined as the 
³art and science of designing and building affordable, aesthetically 
pleasing, environmentally and economically sustainable structures 
which protect human life, nature and material property during 
catastrophic natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires, floods, 
hurricanes and tornadoes. This new subject would be known as 
Ekotecture©™. 

Ekotecture©™ which we plan to manufacture is further defined as an 
injection molded, super lightweight masonry & ceramic parts of 
structures , including a floating foundation for the building above 
which contains the required equipment, tanks and on board computers 
necessary to regulate and maintain the required utility service for 
the building. These structural modules, could be used individually to 
create homes or grouped together to create large buildings. 

The result is a lightweight, fireproof, insect resistant, floating 
material which resists heat and moisture transfer. It can be easily 
cut and sawn by ordinary carpenters, using ordinary tools. 

This structure and floating foundation provide a framework around 
which owners, real estate developers, designers, architects, engineers 
and contractors have wide latitude to create the exterior style and 
finish of the building, according to the individual tastes, 
preferences and needs of each client, site or situation. 

Ekospheres©™ are space frames, taking advantage of the geodesic and 
egg shaped geometric & crystalline synergies of crystals and minimum 
use of materials. In the finished architecture, the Ekotecture 
infrastructure is invisible to the observer and in no way limits the 
style, character or building function. 

The base is comprised of a series of interconnected interlocking 
crystaline shaped tanks and equipment compartments, for the regulation 
and processing of the passive solid state systems. These systems 
provide perfectly mineralized domestic water, electric power, natural 
gas for cooking & ceramic fireplaces or ceremonial flames. They 
provide landscape fertilizer and water and they provide enclosed space 
heating,cooling and refrigeration. All of this is surrounded, of 
course by a series of airways cast in the molded frame. Some of the 
crystaline compartments will be filled with air for floatation.

These voids, the gravity solar geothermal convection envelopes conduct 
heating and cooling air , other voids provide spaces for pipes, 
telephone and shielded cables. The main household or building 
electrical current is conducted through a doped portion of the wall 
itself. Outlets simply connect to the positive and the negative 
channels to provide 12 direct current current anywhere in the 
structure, without generating harmful alternating currents that can 
kill. 

The quality of air inside envelope structures has already been 
observed, experienced and documented. A superior level of both comfort 
and health is being testified to by owners who have lived in the homes 
for more than 12 years. Testimony from Ekose¹a clients claim that 
allergies and other respiratory diseases such as colds and flu 
disappeared when the individual occupied an envelope home filled with 
plants. 

Our intention is to organize and create a global cartel of individual 
real estate developers, contractors and manufacturers, all organized 
and relating to a single data base and internal business economy or 
accounting system. Ekotecture International Incorporated will 
manufacture, install and deliver the floating biospheres or 
Ekospheres™. A subsidiary company of Ekotecture, Mothers of 
Maintenance or MOM™ incorporated will be organized to maintain the 
utility systems on board. Stock in both Ekotecture and MOM will be 
sold to the owners of the present energy and utility cartels and 
companies. Both companies will be employee owned and employee managed. 

We see the prototype development taking place in partnership with 
major universities. We have initiated discussion at MIT , RISD., U of 
Oregon, U of Glasgow. The programs would be funded by DOE, DOD, EPA 
and HEW. We believe that it is logical to use the retired DOD ship and 
submarine building facilities in cities like Charleston and others. 
The existing hydraulics and construction bays would save millions in 
the initial start up costs. Start up capital is being solicited from 
venture capitalists and the corporation plans to make application for 
funding through the Advanced Technology Program, recently created by 
the administration of Clinton and Gore. 

The initial prototypes are as follows;

(1) A 2000 sq. ft. single family detached home designed for the gated 
country club developments South Florida.
(2) A 1500 sq. ft. middle income tract home in Southern California or 
Nevada
(3) A 400 Sq. ft. Basic shelter for the undeveloped world market, 
Chine, India and Africa.
(4) A 2000 sq. ft. floating home and garden with swimming pool

All four prototypes will be manufactured simultaneously.

The Ekotecture concept will create millions of jobs world wide and 
will stimulate the economy of the United states and every other 
country which participates in its manufacture or maintenance. By 
creating a win, win, win scenario, all intelligent and motivated 
people will choose to get involved , making Ekotecture a global 
solution within the next 5 years. 

Your support and participation is invited, appreciated and vital. 

Ekotecture International Inc.
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
or by Fax (407) 833-6834
telephone (407) 659-7656

or Email, lbutler@.emi.net

You can see the home page for ekosea homes at www.webcast1.com/ekosea


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Robert and Amy Appleton wrote:
> 
> Hello, I'm interested in building a solar home from the ground up.  My
> wife and I are currently looking into options in this area of design.
> Please any input or ideas would be appreciated.
> 
>                                          Robert and Amy Appleton

Ekotecture International Incorporated

Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations to design, build, manufacture 
install and maintain integrated natural energy environments which are 
powered by the universal energies of gravity, solar and geothermal 
inertia, evaporation & condensation& phase change.

Integrated natural energy environments or Ekospheres™ are defined as 
self-contained, self-sufficient, solar gravity geothermal powered, 
non-polluting, structurally integrated, super strength, lightweight 
molded structures which float, enabling them to resist damage from 
earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes or tidal waves. They 
provide lights, gas, water and food, required or desired by the 
occupants of the structure. 

 Mission Statement

€ Promote World Peace through the international economic 
interdependence of construction coalitions and utility management 
cartels. € Make the world a better place to live by enrlling humanity 
into supporting environmental friendly construction. € Prove our love 
and respect for humanity by dedicating ourselves to education 
concerning the conservation of our natural resources 

Vision Statement

€ Before the year 2006, Ekotecture International will have become the 
largest construction coalition and utility management cartel in the 
world. € We will be respected by our peers for the devlopment and 
delivery of environmentally friendly construction. € We will be sought 
after as a leader in the international business community because of 
our innovative and creative marketing of premier Ekotecture 
technology. € We will be the catalyst for world wide utility 
management which conserves our earth¹s natural resources. 

A History of Ekose¹a and Ekotecture

In 1979, with the assistance of architect William Pearson and the 
Ekose¹a™ San Francisco staff of architects and environmental designers 
, we wrote and published the book, Ekose¹a Homes ©1979, describing the 
plans and details of the solar, gravity convection, geothermal 
envelope for single family homes which could be designed for all 
micro-climates, worldwide. Between November 1979 and April 1980, the 
Ekose¹a office received as many as one thousand requests for 
information daily, from people who had been exposed to the Ekose¹a 
concept and examples of the homes through magazines, newspapers and 
television programs world wide. 

The energy shortage and gasoline crisis in 1975 activated the mass 
media, attention, who by 1980 were putting alternative energy designs 
and inventors on the cover of every national magazine. Fortunately, 
for Ekose¹a™, this positive publicity created a public demand for our 
publications and professional services. Between 1979 and 1981, this 
publicity drove the sales of more than 45,000 buyers to purchase our 
book and 15,000 purchased construction documents, specifications and 
limited supervision. From this activity and later follow up studies, 
we now estimate that there are approximately 20,000 occupied Ekose¹a™ 
double envelope homes worldwide. 

The superior comfort and health standards , interior air quality and 
thermal performance is now well known after fourteen years of history 
by satisfied owners. The houses have been monitored and documented by 
universities, national laboratories and individual owner builder 
experimenters all over the world. In 1981, DOE sponsored a monitoring 
& study of an Ekose¹a home built in 1980, near Newport, Rhode Island. 
The study was supervised by the Brookhaven National Laboratory¹s 
architect, Ralph Jones. They concluded that, ³the double envelope 
concept was distinguished in that it allowed for large amounts of 
glass necessary for light and views without requiring additional 
energy. They went on to add, ³ that it was the only design they had 
ever tested which could survive a severe northern winter, unattended 
without damage to the interior from freezing. 

The Ekose¹a double envelope design provided unexpected surprises and 
health benefits whenever the south facing solarium was used as a 
greenhouse garden room. When filled with plants, the envelope air 
provides an natural electrostatic air ionizing and filtering system. 
The Ekose¹a™ homes provide an ideal living space, as they have the 
potential of being filled with beautiful colored flowers, delightful 
aromas, and green foliage plants which produce oxygen from converted 
carbon dioxide. 

Fast forward 15 years.

In 1991, in the book, Earth in the Balance Albert Gore predicts a 
global civil war, between the haves and the have nots, resulting from 
the finite limitations of our present energy technologies and the 
resources they demand to supply the projected global demand into the 
next century. He calls for the ³new organizing principle² of 
civilization to be the search for human life support systems which can 
be sustained indefinitely and he makes a passionate plea for America 
to use it¹s technological superiority and ingenuity to lead the world 
in this critical mission. 

In 1993, responding to growing interest and awareness of architects of 
this crisis, the American Institute of Architects and the 
International Congress of Architects choose ³sustainable 
development²as the theme of their annual convention They called for 
solutions to sustainable development in an international competition 
to be judged at the time of the annual AIA convention. There has been 
so much controversy surrounding the subject of defining ³sustainable 
development² that the judging was delayed and they have yet to 
circulate the results as promised. 

In 1994. President Clinton appointed a panel of national business, 
scientific and political leaders to the National Commission on 
sustainable Development. After more than two years of controversy and 
endless meetings, it has become obvious that none of these committee 
members could agree on what sustainable development actually consists 
of. They have yet to come to terms with the jargon and the definition 
of sustainability. 

In 1995, responding to the growing perception within the engineering 
professions that finding a solution to this 
economic-scientific-environmental global crisis must now receive the 
highest priority, the Provost of MIT, the world¹s leading 
technological research institution asked the head of it¹s Civil 
Engineering Department, Professor David Marks, to step down and direct 
an interdisciplinary team to find sustainable solutions. They created 
the Program for Environmental Engineering, Education and Research 
which will be known as PEEER. MIT then joined the University of Tokyo 
and the Federated Universities of Switzerland to form the The 
International Alliance for Global Sustainability. The first conference 
was held recently in Peking China. 

The question being asked by all of these chief executives, 
commissioners, scientists and construction professionals alike is; 
Which sustainable alternative, pollution free technologies can satisfy 
the present global demand for energy, comfort and conveniences without 
sacrificing our future security or compromising our future ability to 
provide these luxuries and necessities to all who will want and need 
them, into and beyond the next century? 

In 1995, fifteen years since the initial success of the Ekose¹a Homes, 
I have continued to research and have invented, developed and refined 
an expanded concept which I call a ³sustainable construction 
structure² ( patent pending, 1995 )  or Ekotecture©™ or Ekospheres™, 
featuring a radically improved gravity, solar, geothermal envelope 
with multiple air passages which can control the temperature and 
humidity of each room individually, using either manual or computer 
controlled air flow dampers and as further described below. 

In inventing the word Ekotecture©™, I am proposing that humanity 
needs to become familiar with a a new household term, Ekotecture©™, 
an entirely new discipline or field of study which is defined as the 
³art and science of designing and building affordable, aesthetically 
pleasing, environmentally and economically sustainable structures 
which protect human life, nature and material property during 
catastrophic natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires, floods, 
hurricanes and tornadoes. This new subject would be known as 
Ekotecture©™. 

Ekotecture©™ which we plan to manufacture is further defined as an 
injection molded, super lightweight masonry & ceramic parts of 
structures , including a floating foundation for the building above 
which contains the required equipment, tanks and on board computers 
necessary to regulate and maintain the required utility service for 
the building. These structural modules, could be used individually to 
create homes or grouped together to create large buildings. 

The result is a lightweight, fireproof, insect resistant, floating 
material which resists heat and moisture transfer. It can be easily 
cut and sawn by ordinary carpenters, using ordinary tools. 

This structure and floating foundation provide a framework around 
which owners, real estate developers, designers, architects, engineers 
and contractors have wide latitude to create the exterior style and 
finish of the building, according to the individual tastes, 
preferences and needs of each client, site or situation. 

Ekospheres©™ are space frames, taking advantage of the geodesic and 
egg shaped geometric & crystalline synergies of crystals and minimum 
use of materials. In the finished architecture, the Ekotecture 
infrastructure is invisible to the observer and in no way limits the 
style, character or building function. 

The base is comprised of a series of interconnected interlocking 
crystaline shaped tanks and equipment compartments, for the regulation 
and processing of the passive solid state systems. These systems 
provide perfectly mineralized domestic water, electric power, natural 
gas for cooking & ceramic fireplaces or ceremonial flames. They 
provide landscape fertilizer and water and they provide enclosed space 
heating,cooling and refrigeration. All of this is surrounded, of 
course by a series of airways cast in the molded frame. Some of the 
crystaline compartments will be filled with air for floatation.

These voids, the gravity solar geothermal convection envelopes conduct 
heating and cooling air , other voids provide spaces for pipes, 
telephone and shielded cables. The main household or building 
electrical current is conducted through a doped portion of the wall 
itself. Outlets simply connect to the positive and the negative 
channels to provide 12 direct current current anywhere in the 
structure, without generating harmful alternating currents that can 
kill. 

The quality of air inside envelope structures has already been 
observed, experienced and documented. A superior level of both comfort 
and health is being testified to by owners who have lived in the homes 
for more than 12 years. Testimony from Ekose¹a clients claim that 
allergies and other respiratory diseases such as colds and flu 
disappeared when the individual occupied an envelope home filled with 
plants. 

Our intention is to organize and create a global cartel of individual 
real estate developers, contractors and manufacturers, all organized 
and relating to a single data base and internal business economy or 
accounting system. Ekotecture International Incorporated will 
manufacture, install and deliver the floating biospheres or 
Ekospheres™. A subsidiary company of Ekotecture, Mothers of 
Maintenance or MOM™ incorporated will be organized to maintain the 
utility systems on board. Stock in both Ekotecture and MOM will be 
sold to the owners of the present energy and utility cartels and 
companies. Both companies will be employee owned and employee managed. 

We see the prototype development taking place in partnership with 
major universities. We have initiated discussion at MIT , RISD., U of 
Oregon, U of Glasgow. The programs would be funded by DOE, DOD, EPA 
and HEW. We believe that it is logical to use the retired DOD ship and 
submarine building facilities in cities like Charleston and others. 
The existing hydraulics and construction bays would save millions in 
the initial start up costs. Start up capital is being solicited from 
venture capitalists and the corporation plans to make application for 
funding through the Advanced Technology Program, recently created by 
the administration of Clinton and Gore. 

The initial prototypes are as follows;

(1) A 2000 sq. ft. single family detached home designed for the gated 
country club developments South Florida.
(2) A 1500 sq. ft. middle income tract home in Southern California or 
Nevada
(3) A 400 Sq. ft. Basic shelter for the undeveloped world market, 
Chine, India and Africa.
(4) A 2000 sq. ft. floating home and garden with swimming pool

All four prototypes will be manufactured simultaneously.

The Ekotecture concept will create millions of jobs world wide and 
will stimulate the economy of the United states and every other 
country which participates in its manufacture or maintenance. By 
creating a win, win, win scenario, all intelligent and motivated 
people will choose to get involved , making Ekotecture a global 
solution within the next 5 years. 

Your support and participation is invited, appreciated and vital. 

Ekotecture International Inc.
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
or by Fax (407) 833-6834
telephone (407) 659-7656

or Email, lbutler@.emi.net

You can see the home page for ekosea homes at www.webcast1.com/ekosea


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Ekotecture International Incorporated

Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations to design, build, manufacture 
install and maintain integrated natural energy environments which are 
powered by the universal energies of gravity, solar and geothermal 
inertia, evaporation & condensation& phase change.

Integrated natural energy environments or Ekospheres™ are defined as 
self-contained, self-sufficient, solar gravity geothermal powered, 
non-polluting, structurally integrated, super strength, lightweight 
molded structures which float, enabling them to resist damage from 
earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes or tidal waves. They 
provide lights, gas, water and food, required or desired by the 
occupants of the structure. 

 Mission Statement

€ Promote World Peace through the international economic 
interdependence of construction coalitions and utility management 
cartels. € Make the world a better place to live by enrlling humanity 
into supporting environmental friendly construction. € Prove our love 
and respect for humanity by dedicating ourselves to education 
concerning the conservation of our natural resources 

Vision Statement

€ Before the year 2006, Ekotecture International will have become the 
largest construction coalition and utility management cartel in the 
world. € We will be respected by our peers for the devlopment and 
delivery of environmentally friendly construction. € We will be sought 
after as a leader in the international business community because of 
our innovative and creative marketing of premier Ekotecture 
technology. € We will be the catalyst for world wide utility 
management which conserves our earth¹s natural resources. 

A History of Ekose¹a and Ekotecture

In 1979, with the assistance of architect William Pearson and the 
Ekose¹a™ San Francisco staff of architects and environmental designers 
, we wrote and published the book, Ekose¹a Homes ©1979, describing the 
plans and details of the solar, gravity convection, geothermal 
envelope for single family homes which could be designed for all 
micro-climates, worldwide. Between November 1979 and April 1980, the 
Ekose¹a office received as many as one thousand requests for 
information daily, from people who had been exposed to the Ekose¹a 
concept and examples of the homes through magazines, newspapers and 
television programs world wide. 

The energy shortage and gasoline crisis in 1975 activated the mass 
media, attention, who by 1980 were putting alternative energy designs 
and inventors on the cover of every national magazine. Fortunately, 
for Ekose¹a™, this positive publicity created a public demand for our 
publications and professional services. Between 1979 and 1981, this 
publicity drove the sales of more than 45,000 buyers to purchase our 
book and 15,000 purchased construction documents, specifications and 
limited supervision. From this activity and later follow up studies, 
we now estimate that there are approximately 20,000 occupied Ekose¹a™ 
double envelope homes worldwide. 

The superior comfort and health standards , interior air quality and 
thermal performance is now well known after fourteen years of history 
by satisfied owners. The houses have been monitored and documented by 
universities, national laboratories and individual owner builder 
experimenters all over the world. In 1981, DOE sponsored a monitoring 
& study of an Ekose¹a home built in 1980, near Newport, Rhode Island. 
The study was supervised by the Brookhaven National Laboratory¹s 
architect, Ralph Jones. They concluded that, ³the double envelope 
concept was distinguished in that it allowed for large amounts of 
glass necessary for light and views without requiring additional 
energy. They went on to add, ³ that it was the only design they had 
ever tested which could survive a severe northern winter, unattended 
without damage to the interior from freezing. 

The Ekose¹a double envelope design provided unexpected surprises and 
health benefits whenever the south facing solarium was used as a 
greenhouse garden room. When filled with plants, the envelope air 
provides an natural electrostatic air ionizing and filtering system. 
The Ekose¹a™ homes provide an ideal living space, as they have the 
potential of being filled with beautiful colored flowers, delightful 
aromas, and green foliage plants which produce oxygen from converted 
carbon dioxide. 

Fast forward 15 years.

In 1991, in the book, Earth in the Balance Albert Gore predicts a 
global civil war, between the haves and the have nots, resulting from 
the finite limitations of our present energy technologies and the 
resources they demand to supply the projected global demand into the 
next century. He calls for the ³new organizing principle² of 
civilization to be the search for human life support systems which can 
be sustained indefinitely and he makes a passionate plea for America 
to use it¹s technological superiority and ingenuity to lead the world 
in this critical mission. 

In 1993, responding to growing interest and awareness of architects of 
this crisis, the American Institute of Architects and the 
International Congress of Architects choose ³sustainable 
development²as the theme of their annual convention They called for 
solutions to sustainable development in an international competition 
to be judged at the time of the annual AIA convention. There has been 
so much controversy surrounding the subject of defining ³sustainable 
development² that the judging was delayed and they have yet to 
circulate the results as promised. 

In 1994. President Clinton appointed a panel of national business, 
scientific and political leaders to the National Commission on 
sustainable Development. After more than two years of controversy and 
endless meetings, it has become obvious that none of these committee 
members could agree on what sustainable development actually consists 
of. They have yet to come to terms with the jargon and the definition 
of sustainability. 

In 1995, responding to the growing perception within the engineering 
professions that finding a solution to this 
economic-scientific-environmental global crisis must now receive the 
highest priority, the Provost of MIT, the world¹s leading 
technological research institution asked the head of it¹s Civil 
Engineering Department, Professor David Marks, to step down and direct 
an interdisciplinary team to find sustainable solutions. They created 
the Program for Environmental Engineering, Education and Research 
which will be known as PEEER. MIT then joined the University of Tokyo 
and the Federated Universities of Switzerland to form the The 
International Alliance for Global Sustainability. The first conference 
was held recently in Peking China. 

The question being asked by all of these chief executives, 
commissioners, scientists and construction professionals alike is; 
Which sustainable alternative, pollution free technologies can satisfy 
the present global demand for energy, comfort and conveniences without 
sacrificing our future security or compromising our future ability to 
provide these luxuries and necessities to all who will want and need 
them, into and beyond the next century? 

In 1995, fifteen years since the initial success of the Ekose¹a Homes, 
I have continued to research and have invented, developed and refined 
an expanded concept which I call a ³sustainable construction 
structure² ( patent pending, 1995 )  or Ekotecture©™ or Ekospheres™, 
featuring a radically improved gravity, solar, geothermal envelope 
with multiple air passages which can control the temperature and 
humidity of each room individually, using either manual or computer 
controlled air flow dampers and as further described below. 

In inventing the word Ekotecture©™, I am proposing that humanity 
needs to become familiar with a a new household term, Ekotecture©™, 
an entirely new discipline or field of study which is defined as the 
³art and science of designing and building affordable, aesthetically 
pleasing, environmentally and economically sustainable structures 
which protect human life, nature and material property during 
catastrophic natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires, floods, 
hurricanes and tornadoes. This new subject would be known as 
Ekotecture©™. 

Ekotecture©™ which we plan to manufacture is further defined as an 
injection molded, super lightweight masonry & ceramic parts of 
structures , including a floating foundation for the building above 
which contains the required equipment, tanks and on board computers 
necessary to regulate and maintain the required utility service for 
the building. These structural modules, could be used individually to 
create homes or grouped together to create large buildings. 

The result is a lightweight, fireproof, insect resistant, floating 
material which resists heat and moisture transfer. It can be easily 
cut and sawn by ordinary carpenters, using ordinary tools. 

This structure and floating foundation provide a framework around 
which owners, real estate developers, designers, architects, engineers 
and contractors have wide latitude to create the exterior style and 
finish of the building, according to the individual tastes, 
preferences and needs of each client, site or situation. 

Ekospheres©™ are space frames, taking advantage of the geodesic and 
egg shaped geometric & crystalline synergies of crystals and minimum 
use of materials. In the finished architecture, the Ekotecture 
infrastructure is invisible to the observer and in no way limits the 
style, character or building function. 

The base is comprised of a series of interconnected interlocking 
crystaline shaped tanks and equipment compartments, for the regulation 
and processing of the passive solid state systems. These systems 
provide perfectly mineralized domestic water, electric power, natural 
gas for cooking & ceramic fireplaces or ceremonial flames. They 
provide landscape fertilizer and water and they provide enclosed space 
heating,cooling and refrigeration. All of this is surrounded, of 
course by a series of airways cast in the molded frame. Some of the 
crystaline compartments will be filled with air for floatation.

These voids, the gravity solar geothermal convection envelopes conduct 
heating and cooling air , other voids provide spaces for pipes, 
telephone and shielded cables. The main household or building 
electrical current is conducted through a doped portion of the wall 
itself. Outlets simply connect to the positive and the negative 
channels to provide 12 direct current current anywhere in the 
structure, without generating harmful alternating currents that can 
kill. 

The quality of air inside envelope structures has already been 
observed, experienced and documented. A superior level of both comfort 
and health is being testified to by owners who have lived in the homes 
for more than 12 years. Testimony from Ekose¹a clients claim that 
allergies and other respiratory diseases such as colds and flu 
disappeared when the individual occupied an envelope home filled with 
plants. 

Our intention is to organize and create a global cartel of individual 
real estate developers, contractors and manufacturers, all organized 
and relating to a single data base and internal business economy or 
accounting system. Ekotecture International Incorporated will 
manufacture, install and deliver the floating biospheres or 
Ekospheres™. A subsidiary company of Ekotecture, Mothers of 
Maintenance or MOM™ incorporated will be organized to maintain the 
utility systems on board. Stock in both Ekotecture and MOM will be 
sold to the owners of the present energy and utility cartels and 
companies. Both companies will be employee owned and employee managed. 

We see the prototype development taking place in partnership with 
major universities. We have initiated discussion at MIT , RISD., U of 
Oregon, U of Glasgow. The programs would be funded by DOE, DOD, EPA 
and HEW. We believe that it is logical to use the retired DOD ship and 
submarine building facilities in cities like Charleston and others. 
The existing hydraulics and construction bays would save millions in 
the initial start up costs. Start up capital is being solicited from 
venture capitalists and the corporation plans to make application for 
funding through the Advanced Technology Program, recently created by 
the administration of Clinton and Gore. 

The initial prototypes are as follows;

(1) A 2000 sq. ft. single family detached home designed for the gated 
country club developments South Florida.
(2) A 1500 sq. ft. middle income tract home in Southern California or 
Nevada
(3) A 400 Sq. ft. Basic shelter for the undeveloped world market, 
Chine, India and Africa.
(4) A 2000 sq. ft. floating home and garden with swimming pool

All four prototypes will be manufactured simultaneously.

The Ekotecture concept will create millions of jobs world wide and 
will stimulate the economy of the United states and every other 
country which participates in its manufacture or maintenance. By 
creating a win, win, win scenario, all intelligent and motivated 
people will choose to get involved , making Ekotecture a global 
solution within the next 5 years. 

Your support and participation is invited, appreciated and vital. 

Ekotecture International Inc.
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
or by Fax (407) 833-6834
telephone (407) 659-7656

or Email, lbutler@.emi.net

You can see the home page for ekosea homes at www.webcast1.com/ekosea


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Hi Nick,

Ekotecture International Incorporated

Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations to design, build, manufacture 
install and maintain integrated natural energy environments which are 
powered by the universal energies of gravity, solar and geothermal 
inertia, evaporation & condensation& phase change.

Integrated natural energy environments or Ekospheres™ are defined as 
self-contained, self-sufficient, solar gravity geothermal powered, 
non-polluting, structurally integrated, super strength, lightweight 
molded structures which float, enabling them to resist damage from 
earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes or tidal waves. They 
provide lights, gas, water and food, required or desired by the 
occupants of the structure. 

 Mission Statement

€ Promote World Peace through the international economic 
interdependence of construction coalitions and utility management 
cartels. € Make the world a better place to live by enrlling humanity 
into supporting environmental friendly construction. € Prove our love 
and respect for humanity by dedicating ourselves to education 
concerning the conservation of our natural resources 

Vision Statement

€ Before the year 2006, Ekotecture International will have become the 
largest construction coalition and utility management cartel in the 
world. € We will be respected by our peers for the devlopment and 
delivery of environmentally friendly construction. € We will be sought 
after as a leader in the international business community because of 
our innovative and creative marketing of premier Ekotecture 
technology. € We will be the catalyst for world wide utility 
management which conserves our earth¹s natural resources. 

A History of Ekose¹a and Ekotecture

In 1979, with the assistance of architect William Pearson and the 
Ekose¹a™ San Francisco staff of architects and environmental designers 
, we wrote and published the book, Ekose¹a Homes ©1979, describing the 
plans and details of the solar, gravity convection, geothermal 
envelope for single family homes which could be designed for all 
micro-climates, worldwide. Between November 1979 and April 1980, the 
Ekose¹a office received as many as one thousand requests for 
information daily, from people who had been exposed to the Ekose¹a 
concept and examples of the homes through magazines, newspapers and 
television programs world wide. 

The energy shortage and gasoline crisis in 1975 activated the mass 
media, attention, who by 1980 were putting alternative energy designs 
and inventors on the cover of every national magazine. Fortunately, 
for Ekose¹a™, this positive publicity created a public demand for our 
publications and professional services. Between 1979 and 1981, this 
publicity drove the sales of more than 45,000 buyers to purchase our 
book and 15,000 purchased construction documents, specifications and 
limited supervision. From this activity and later follow up studies, 
we now estimate that there are approximately 20,000 occupied Ekose¹a™ 
double envelope homes worldwide. 

The superior comfort and health standards , interior air quality and 
thermal performance is now well known after fourteen years of history 
by satisfied owners. The houses have been monitored and documented by 
universities, national laboratories and individual owner builder 
experimenters all over the world. In 1981, DOE sponsored a monitoring 
& study of an Ekose¹a home built in 1980, near Newport, Rhode Island. 
The study was supervised by the Brookhaven National Laboratory¹s 
architect, Ralph Jones. They concluded that, ³the double envelope 
concept was distinguished in that it allowed for large amounts of 
glass necessary for light and views without requiring additional 
energy. They went on to add, ³ that it was the only design they had 
ever tested which could survive a severe northern winter, unattended 
without damage to the interior from freezing. 

The Ekose¹a double envelope design provided unexpected surprises and 
health benefits whenever the south facing solarium was used as a 
greenhouse garden room. When filled with plants, the envelope air 
provides an natural electrostatic air ionizing and filtering system. 
The Ekose¹a™ homes provide an ideal living space, as they have the 
potential of being filled with beautiful colored flowers, delightful 
aromas, and green foliage plants which produce oxygen from converted 
carbon dioxide. 

Fast forward 15 years.

In 1991, in the book, Earth in the Balance Albert Gore predicts a 
global civil war, between the haves and the have nots, resulting from 
the finite limitations of our present energy technologies and the 
resources they demand to supply the projected global demand into the 
next century. He calls for the ³new organizing principle² of 
civilization to be the search for human life support systems which can 
be sustained indefinitely and he makes a passionate plea for America 
to use it¹s technological superiority and ingenuity to lead the world 
in this critical mission. 

In 1993, responding to growing interest and awareness of architects of 
this crisis, the American Institute of Architects and the 
International Congress of Architects choose ³sustainable 
development²as the theme of their annual convention They called for 
solutions to sustainable development in an international competition 
to be judged at the time of the annual AIA convention. There has been 
so much controversy surrounding the subject of defining ³sustainable 
development² that the judging was delayed and they have yet to 
circulate the results as promised. 

In 1994. President Clinton appointed a panel of national business, 
scientific and political leaders to the National Commission on 
sustainable Development. After more than two years of controversy and 
endless meetings, it has become obvious that none of these committee 
members could agree on what sustainable development actually consists 
of. They have yet to come to terms with the jargon and the definition 
of sustainability. 

In 1995, responding to the growing perception within the engineering 
professions that finding a solution to this 
economic-scientific-environmental global crisis must now receive the 
highest priority, the Provost of MIT, the world¹s leading 
technological research institution asked the head of it¹s Civil 
Engineering Department, Professor David Marks, to step down and direct 
an interdisciplinary team to find sustainable solutions. They created 
the Program for Environmental Engineering, Education and Research 
which will be known as PEEER. MIT then joined the University of Tokyo 
and the Federated Universities of Switzerland to form the The 
International Alliance for Global Sustainability. The first conference 
was held recently in Peking China. 

The question being asked by all of these chief executives, 
commissioners, scientists and construction professionals alike is; 
Which sustainable alternative, pollution free technologies can satisfy 
the present global demand for energy, comfort and conveniences without 
sacrificing our future security or compromising our future ability to 
provide these luxuries and necessities to all who will want and need 
them, into and beyond the next century? 

In 1995, fifteen years since the initial success of the Ekose¹a Homes, 
I have continued to research and have invented, developed and refined 
an expanded concept which I call a ³sustainable construction 
structure² ( patent pending, 1995 )  or Ekotecture©™ or Ekospheres™, 
featuring a radically improved gravity, solar, geothermal envelope 
with multiple air passages which can control the temperature and 
humidity of each room individually, using either manual or computer 
controlled air flow dampers and as further described below. 

In inventing the word Ekotecture©™, I am proposing that humanity 
needs to become familiar with a a new household term, Ekotecture©™, 
an entirely new discipline or field of study which is defined as the 
³art and science of designing and building affordable, aesthetically 
pleasing, environmentally and economically sustainable structures 
which protect human life, nature and material property during 
catastrophic natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires, floods, 
hurricanes and tornadoes. This new subject would be known as 
Ekotecture©™. 

Ekotecture©™ which we plan to manufacture is further defined as an 
injection molded, super lightweight masonry & ceramic parts of 
structures , including a floating foundation for the building above 
which contains the required equipment, tanks and on board computers 
necessary to regulate and maintain the required utility service for 
the building. These structural modules, could be used individually to 
create homes or grouped together to create large buildings. 

The result is a lightweight, fireproof, insect resistant, floating 
material which resists heat and moisture transfer. It can be easily 
cut and sawn by ordinary carpenters, using ordinary tools. 

This structure and floating foundation provide a framework around 
which owners, real estate developers, designers, architects, engineers 
and contractors have wide latitude to create the exterior style and 
finish of the building, according to the individual tastes, 
preferences and needs of each client, site or situation. 

Ekospheres©™ are space frames, taking advantage of the geodesic and 
egg shaped geometric & crystalline synergies of crystals and minimum 
use of materials. In the finished architecture, the Ekotecture 
infrastructure is invisible to the observer and in no way limits the 
style, character or building function. 

The base is comprised of a series of interconnected interlocking 
crystaline shaped tanks and equipment compartments, for the regulation 
and processing of the passive solid state systems. These systems 
provide perfectly mineralized domestic water, electric power, natural 
gas for cooking & ceramic fireplaces or ceremonial flames. They 
provide landscape fertilizer and water and they provide enclosed space 
heating,cooling and refrigeration. All of this is surrounded, of 
course by a series of airways cast in the molded frame. Some of the 
crystaline compartments will be filled with air for floatation.

These voids, the gravity solar geothermal convection envelopes conduct 
heating and cooling air , other voids provide spaces for pipes, 
telephone and shielded cables. The main household or building 
electrical current is conducted through a doped portion of the wall 
itself. Outlets simply connect to the positive and the negative 
channels to provide 12 direct current current anywhere in the 
structure, without generating harmful alternating currents that can 
kill. 

The quality of air inside envelope structures has already been 
observed, experienced and documented. A superior level of both comfort 
and health is being testified to by owners who have lived in the homes 
for more than 12 years. Testimony from Ekose¹a clients claim that 
allergies and other respiratory diseases such as colds and flu 
disappeared when the individual occupied an envelope home filled with 
plants. 

Our intention is to organize and create a global cartel of individual 
real estate developers, contractors and manufacturers, all organized 
and relating to a single data base and internal business economy or 
accounting system. Ekotecture International Incorporated will 
manufacture, install and deliver the floating biospheres or 
Ekospheres™. A subsidiary company of Ekotecture, Mothers of 
Maintenance or MOM™ incorporated will be organized to maintain the 
utility systems on board. Stock in both Ekotecture and MOM will be 
sold to the owners of the present energy and utility cartels and 
companies. Both companies will be employee owned and employee managed. 

We see the prototype development taking place in partnership with 
major universities. We have initiated discussion at MIT , RISD., U of 
Oregon, U of Glasgow. The programs would be funded by DOE, DOD, EPA 
and HEW. We believe that it is logical to use the retired DOD ship and 
submarine building facilities in cities like Charleston and others. 
The existing hydraulics and construction bays would save millions in 
the initial start up costs. Start up capital is being solicited from 
venture capitalists and the corporation plans to make application for 
funding through the Advanced Technology Program, recently created by 
the administration of Clinton and Gore. 

The initial prototypes are as follows;

(1) A 2000 sq. ft. single family detached home designed for the gated 
country club developments South Florida.
(2) A 1500 sq. ft. middle income tract home in Southern California or 
Nevada
(3) A 400 Sq. ft. Basic shelter for the undeveloped world market, 
Chine, India and Africa.
(4) A 2000 sq. ft. floating home and garden with swimming pool

All four prototypes will be manufactured simultaneously.

The Ekotecture concept will create millions of jobs world wide and 
will stimulate the economy of the United states and every other 
country which participates in its manufacture or maintenance. By 
creating a win, win, win scenario, all intelligent and motivated 
people will choose to get involved , making Ekotecture a global 
solution within the next 5 years. 

Your support and participation is invited, appreciated and vital. 

Ekotecture International Inc.
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
or by Fax (407) 833-6834
telephone (407) 659-7656

or Email, lbutler@.emi.net

You can see the home page for ekosea homes at www.webcast1.com/ekosea


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Ekotecture International Incorporated

Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations to design, build, manufacture 
install and maintain integrated natural energy environments which are 
powered by the universal energies of gravity, solar and geothermal 
inertia, evaporation & condensation& phase change.

Integrated natural energy environments or Ekospheres™ are defined as 
self-contained, self-sufficient, solar gravity geothermal powered, 
non-polluting, structurally integrated, super strength, lightweight 
molded structures which float, enabling them to resist damage from 
earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes or tidal waves. They 
provide lights, gas, water and food, required or desired by the 
occupants of the structure. 

 Mission Statement

€ Promote World Peace through the international economic 
interdependence of construction coalitions and utility management 
cartels. € Make the world a better place to live by enrlling humanity 
into supporting environmental friendly construction. € Prove our love 
and respect for humanity by dedicating ourselves to education 
concerning the conservation of our natural resources 

Vision Statement

€ Before the year 2006, Ekotecture International will have become the 
largest construction coalition and utility management cartel in the 
world. € We will be respected by our peers for the devlopment and 
delivery of environmentally friendly construction. € We will be sought 
after as a leader in the international business community because of 
our innovative and creative marketing of premier Ekotecture 
technology. € We will be the catalyst for world wide utility 
management which conserves our earth¹s natural resources. 

A History of Ekose¹a and Ekotecture

In 1979, with the assistance of architect William Pearson and the 
Ekose¹a™ San Francisco staff of architects and environmental designers 
, we wrote and published the book, Ekose¹a Homes ©1979, describing the 
plans and details of the solar, gravity convection, geothermal 
envelope for single family homes which could be designed for all 
micro-climates, worldwide. Between November 1979 and April 1980, the 
Ekose¹a office received as many as one thousand requests for 
information daily, from people who had been exposed to the Ekose¹a 
concept and examples of the homes through magazines, newspapers and 
television programs world wide. 

The energy shortage and gasoline crisis in 1975 activated the mass 
media, attention, who by 1980 were putting alternative energy designs 
and inventors on the cover of every national magazine. Fortunately, 
for Ekose¹a™, this positive publicity created a public demand for our 
publications and professional services. Between 1979 and 1981, this 
publicity drove the sales of more than 45,000 buyers to purchase our 
book and 15,000 purchased construction documents, specifications and 
limited supervision. From this activity and later follow up studies, 
we now estimate that there are approximately 20,000 occupied Ekose¹a™ 
double envelope homes worldwide. 

The superior comfort and health standards , interior air quality and 
thermal performance is now well known after fourteen years of history 
by satisfied owners. The houses have been monitored and documented by 
universities, national laboratories and individual owner builder 
experimenters all over the world. In 1981, DOE sponsored a monitoring 
& study of an Ekose¹a home built in 1980, near Newport, Rhode Island. 
The study was supervised by the Brookhaven National Laboratory¹s 
architect, Ralph Jones. They concluded that, ³the double envelope 
concept was distinguished in that it allowed for large amounts of 
glass necessary for light and views without requiring additional 
energy. They went on to add, ³ that it was the only design they had 
ever tested which could survive a severe northern winter, unattended 
without damage to the interior from freezing. 

The Ekose¹a double envelope design provided unexpected surprises and 
health benefits whenever the south facing solarium was used as a 
greenhouse garden room. When filled with plants, the envelope air 
provides an natural electrostatic air ionizing and filtering system. 
The Ekose¹a™ homes provide an ideal living space, as they have the 
potential of being filled with beautiful colored flowers, delightful 
aromas, and green foliage plants which produce oxygen from converted 
carbon dioxide. 

Fast forward 15 years.

In 1991, in the book, Earth in the Balance Albert Gore predicts a 
global civil war, between the haves and the have nots, resulting from 
the finite limitations of our present energy technologies and the 
resources they demand to supply the projected global demand into the 
next century. He calls for the ³new organizing principle² of 
civilization to be the search for human life support systems which can 
be sustained indefinitely and he makes a passionate plea for America 
to use it¹s technological superiority and ingenuity to lead the world 
in this critical mission. 

In 1993, responding to growing interest and awareness of architects of 
this crisis, the American Institute of Architects and the 
International Congress of Architects choose ³sustainable 
development²as the theme of their annual convention They called for 
solutions to sustainable development in an international competition 
to be judged at the time of the annual AIA convention. There has been 
so much controversy surrounding the subject of defining ³sustainable 
development² that the judging was delayed and they have yet to 
circulate the results as promised. 

In 1994. President Clinton appointed a panel of national business, 
scientific and political leaders to the National Commission on 
sustainable Development. After more than two years of controversy and 
endless meetings, it has become obvious that none of these committee 
members could agree on what sustainable development actually consists 
of. They have yet to come to terms with the jargon and the definition 
of sustainability. 

In 1995, responding to the growing perception within the engineering 
professions that finding a solution to this 
economic-scientific-environmental global crisis must now receive the 
highest priority, the Provost of MIT, the world¹s leading 
technological research institution asked the head of it¹s Civil 
Engineering Department, Professor David Marks, to step down and direct 
an interdisciplinary team to find sustainable solutions. They created 
the Program for Environmental Engineering, Education and Research 
which will be known as PEEER. MIT then joined the University of Tokyo 
and the Federated Universities of Switzerland to form the The 
International Alliance for Global Sustainability. The first conference 
was held recently in Peking China. 

The question being asked by all of these chief executives, 
commissioners, scientists and construction professionals alike is; 
Which sustainable alternative, pollution free technologies can satisfy 
the present global demand for energy, comfort and conveniences without 
sacrificing our future security or compromising our future ability to 
provide these luxuries and necessities to all who will want and need 
them, into and beyond the next century? 

In 1995, fifteen years since the initial success of the Ekose¹a Homes, 
I have continued to research and have invented, developed and refined 
an expanded concept which I call a ³sustainable construction 
structure² ( patent pending, 1995 )  or Ekotecture©™ or Ekospheres™, 
featuring a radically improved gravity, solar, geothermal envelope 
with multiple air passages which can control the temperature and 
humidity of each room individually, using either manual or computer 
controlled air flow dampers and as further described below. 

In inventing the word Ekotecture©™, I am proposing that humanity 
needs to become familiar with a a new household term, Ekotecture©™, 
an entirely new discipline or field of study which is defined as the 
³art and science of designing and building affordable, aesthetically 
pleasing, environmentally and economically sustainable structures 
which protect human life, nature and material property during 
catastrophic natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires, floods, 
hurricanes and tornadoes. This new subject would be known as 
Ekotecture©™. 

Ekotecture©™ which we plan to manufacture is further defined as an 
injection molded, super lightweight masonry & ceramic parts of 
structures , including a floating foundation for the building above 
which contains the required equipment, tanks and on board computers 
necessary to regulate and maintain the required utility service for 
the building. These structural modules, could be used individually to 
create homes or grouped together to create large buildings. 

The result is a lightweight, fireproof, insect resistant, floating 
material which resists heat and moisture transfer. It can be easily 
cut and sawn by ordinary carpenters, using ordinary tools. 

This structure and floating foundation provide a framework around 
which owners, real estate developers, designers, architects, engineers 
and contractors have wide latitude to create the exterior style and 
finish of the building, according to the individual tastes, 
preferences and needs of each client, site or situation. 

Ekospheres©™ are space frames, taking advantage of the geodesic and 
egg shaped geometric & crystalline synergies of crystals and minimum 
use of materials. In the finished architecture, the Ekotecture 
infrastructure is invisible to the observer and in no way limits the 
style, character or building function. 

The base is comprised of a series of interconnected interlocking 
crystaline shaped tanks and equipment compartments, for the regulation 
and processing of the passive solid state systems. These systems 
provide perfectly mineralized domestic water, electric power, natural 
gas for cooking & ceramic fireplaces or ceremonial flames. They 
provide landscape fertilizer and water and they provide enclosed space 
heating,cooling and refrigeration. All of this is surrounded, of 
course by a series of airways cast in the molded frame. Some of the 
crystaline compartments will be filled with air for floatation.

These voids, the gravity solar geothermal convection envelopes conduct 
heating and cooling air , other voids provide spaces for pipes, 
telephone and shielded cables. The main household or building 
electrical current is conducted through a doped portion of the wall 
itself. Outlets simply connect to the positive and the negative 
channels to provide 12 direct current current anywhere in the 
structure, without generating harmful alternating currents that can 
kill. 

The quality of air inside envelope structures has already been 
observed, experienced and documented. A superior level of both comfort 
and health is being testified to by owners who have lived in the homes 
for more than 12 years. Testimony from Ekose¹a clients claim that 
allergies and other respiratory diseases such as colds and flu 
disappeared when the individual occupied an envelope home filled with 
plants. 

Our intention is to organize and create a global cartel of individual 
real estate developers, contractors and manufacturers, all organized 
and relating to a single data base and internal business economy or 
accounting system. Ekotecture International Incorporated will 
manufacture, install and deliver the floating biospheres or 
Ekospheres™. A subsidiary company of Ekotecture, Mothers of 
Maintenance or MOM™ incorporated will be organized to maintain the 
utility systems on board. Stock in both Ekotecture and MOM will be 
sold to the owners of the present energy and utility cartels and 
companies. Both companies will be employee owned and employee managed. 

We see the prototype development taking place in partnership with 
major universities. We have initiated discussion at MIT , RISD., U of 
Oregon, U of Glasgow. The programs would be funded by DOE, DOD, EPA 
and HEW. We believe that it is logical to use the retired DOD ship and 
submarine building facilities in cities like Charleston and others. 
The existing hydraulics and construction bays would save millions in 
the initial start up costs. Start up capital is being solicited from 
venture capitalists and the corporation plans to make application for 
funding through the Advanced Technology Program, recently created by 
the administration of Clinton and Gore. 

The initial prototypes are as follows;

(1) A 2000 sq. ft. single family detached home designed for the gated 
country club developments South Florida.
(2) A 1500 sq. ft. middle income tract home in Southern California or 
Nevada
(3) A 400 Sq. ft. Basic shelter for the undeveloped world market, 
Chine, India and Africa.
(4) A 2000 sq. ft. floating home and garden with swimming pool

All four prototypes will be manufactured simultaneously.

The Ekotecture concept will create millions of jobs world wide and 
will stimulate the economy of the United states and every other 
country which participates in its manufacture or maintenance. By 
creating a win, win, win scenario, all intelligent and motivated 
people will choose to get involved , making Ekotecture a global 
solution within the next 5 years. 

Your support and participation is invited, appreciated and vital. 

Ekotecture International Inc.
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
or by Fax (407) 833-6834
telephone (407) 659-7656

or Email, lbutler@.emi.net

You can see the home page for ekosea homes at www.webcast1.com/ekosea


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Ekotecture International Incorporated

Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations to design, build, manufacture 
install and maintain integrated natural energy environments which are 
powered by the universal energies of gravity, solar and geothermal 
inertia, evaporation & condensation& phase change.

Integrated natural energy environments or Ekospheres™ are defined as 
self-contained, self-sufficient, solar gravity geothermal powered, 
non-polluting, structurally integrated, super strength, lightweight 
molded structures which float, enabling them to resist damage from 
earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes or tidal waves. They 
provide lights, gas, water and food, required or desired by the 
occupants of the structure. 

 Mission Statement

€ Promote World Peace through the international economic 
interdependence of construction coalitions and utility management 
cartels. € Make the world a better place to live by enrlling humanity 
into supporting environmental friendly construction. € Prove our love 
and respect for humanity by dedicating ourselves to education 
concerning the conservation of our natural resources 

Vision Statement

€ Before the year 2006, Ekotecture International will have become the 
largest construction coalition and utility management cartel in the 
world. € We will be respected by our peers for the devlopment and 
delivery of environmentally friendly construction. € We will be sought 
after as a leader in the international business community because of 
our innovative and creative marketing of premier Ekotecture 
technology. € We will be the catalyst for world wide utility 
management which conserves our earth¹s natural resources. 

A History of Ekose¹a and Ekotecture

In 1979, with the assistance of architect William Pearson and the 
Ekose¹a™ San Francisco staff of architects and environmental designers 
, we wrote and published the book, Ekose¹a Homes ©1979, describing the 
plans and details of the solar, gravity convection, geothermal 
envelope for single family homes which could be designed for all 
micro-climates, worldwide. Between November 1979 and April 1980, the 
Ekose¹a office received as many as one thousand requests for 
information daily, from people who had been exposed to the Ekose¹a 
concept and examples of the homes through magazines, newspapers and 
television programs world wide. 

The energy shortage and gasoline crisis in 1975 activated the mass 
media, attention, who by 1980 were putting alternative energy designs 
and inventors on the cover of every national magazine. Fortunately, 
for Ekose¹a™, this positive publicity created a public demand for our 
publications and professional services. Between 1979 and 1981, this 
publicity drove the sales of more than 45,000 buyers to purchase our 
book and 15,000 purchased construction documents, specifications and 
limited supervision. From this activity and later follow up studies, 
we now estimate that there are approximately 20,000 occupied Ekose¹a™ 
double envelope homes worldwide. 

The superior comfort and health standards , interior air quality and 
thermal performance is now well known after fourteen years of history 
by satisfied owners. The houses have been monitored and documented by 
universities, national laboratories and individual owner builder 
experimenters all over the world. In 1981, DOE sponsored a monitoring 
& study of an Ekose¹a home built in 1980, near Newport, Rhode Island. 
The study was supervised by the Brookhaven National Laboratory¹s 
architect, Ralph Jones. They concluded that, ³the double envelope 
concept was distinguished in that it allowed for large amounts of 
glass necessary for light and views without requiring additional 
energy. They went on to add, ³ that it was the only design they had 
ever tested which could survive a severe northern winter, unattended 
without damage to the interior from freezing. 

The Ekose¹a double envelope design provided unexpected surprises and 
health benefits whenever the south facing solarium was used as a 
greenhouse garden room. When filled with plants, the envelope air 
provides an natural electrostatic air ionizing and filtering system. 
The Ekose¹a™ homes provide an ideal living space, as they have the 
potential of being filled with beautiful colored flowers, delightful 
aromas, and green foliage plants which produce oxygen from converted 
carbon dioxide. 

Fast forward 15 years.

In 1991, in the book, Earth in the Balance Albert Gore predicts a 
global civil war, between the haves and the have nots, resulting from 
the finite limitations of our present energy technologies and the 
resources they demand to supply the projected global demand into the 
next century. He calls for the ³new organizing principle² of 
civilization to be the search for human life support systems which can 
be sustained indefinitely and he makes a passionate plea for America 
to use it¹s technological superiority and ingenuity to lead the world 
in this critical mission. 

In 1993, responding to growing interest and awareness of architects of 
this crisis, the American Institute of Architects and the 
International Congress of Architects choose ³sustainable 
development²as the theme of their annual convention They called for 
solutions to sustainable development in an international competition 
to be judged at the time of the annual AIA convention. There has been 
so much controversy surrounding the subject of defining ³sustainable 
development² that the judging was delayed and they have yet to 
circulate the results as promised. 

In 1994. President Clinton appointed a panel of national business, 
scientific and political leaders to the National Commission on 
sustainable Development. After more than two years of controversy and 
endless meetings, it has become obvious that none of these committee 
members could agree on what sustainable development actually consists 
of. They have yet to come to terms with the jargon and the definition 
of sustainability. 

In 1995, responding to the growing perception within the engineering 
professions that finding a solution to this 
economic-scientific-environmental global crisis must now receive the 
highest priority, the Provost of MIT, the world¹s leading 
technological research institution asked the head of it¹s Civil 
Engineering Department, Professor David Marks, to step down and direct 
an interdisciplinary team to find sustainable solutions. They created 
the Program for Environmental Engineering, Education and Research 
which will be known as PEEER. MIT then joined the University of Tokyo 
and the Federated Universities of Switzerland to form the The 
International Alliance for Global Sustainability. The first conference 
was held recently in Peking China. 

The question being asked by all of these chief executives, 
commissioners, scientists and construction professionals alike is; 
Which sustainable alternative, pollution free technologies can satisfy 
the present global demand for energy, comfort and conveniences without 
sacrificing our future security or compromising our future ability to 
provide these luxuries and necessities to all who will want and need 
them, into and beyond the next century? 

In 1995, fifteen years since the initial success of the Ekose¹a Homes, 
I have continued to research and have invented, developed and refined 
an expanded concept which I call a ³sustainable construction 
structure² ( patent pending, 1995 )  or Ekotecture©™ or Ekospheres™, 
featuring a radically improved gravity, solar, geothermal envelope 
with multiple air passages which can control the temperature and 
humidity of each room individually, using either manual or computer 
controlled air flow dampers and as further described below. 

In inventing the word Ekotecture©™, I am proposing that humanity 
needs to become familiar with a a new household term, Ekotecture©™, 
an entirely new discipline or field of study which is defined as the 
³art and science of designing and building affordable, aesthetically 
pleasing, environmentally and economically sustainable structures 
which protect human life, nature and material property during 
catastrophic natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires, floods, 
hurricanes and tornadoes. This new subject would be known as 
Ekotecture©™. 

Ekotecture©™ which we plan to manufacture is further defined as an 
injection molded, super lightweight masonry & ceramic parts of 
structures , including a floating foundation for the building above 
which contains the required equipment, tanks and on board computers 
necessary to regulate and maintain the required utility service for 
the building. These structural modules, could be used individually to 
create homes or grouped together to create large buildings. 

The result is a lightweight, fireproof, insect resistant, floating 
material which resists heat and moisture transfer. It can be easily 
cut and sawn by ordinary carpenters, using ordinary tools. 

This structure and floating foundation provide a framework around 
which owners, real estate developers, designers, architects, engineers 
and contractors have wide latitude to create the exterior style and 
finish of the building, according to the individual tastes, 
preferences and needs of each client, site or situation. 

Ekospheres©™ are space frames, taking advantage of the geodesic and 
egg shaped geometric & crystalline synergies of crystals and minimum 
use of materials. In the finished architecture, the Ekotecture 
infrastructure is invisible to the observer and in no way limits the 
style, character or building function. 

The base is comprised of a series of interconnected interlocking 
crystaline shaped tanks and equipment compartments, for the regulation 
and processing of the passive solid state systems. These systems 
provide perfectly mineralized domestic water, electric power, natural 
gas for cooking & ceramic fireplaces or ceremonial flames. They 
provide landscape fertilizer and water and they provide enclosed space 
heating,cooling and refrigeration. All of this is surrounded, of 
course by a series of airways cast in the molded frame. Some of the 
crystaline compartments will be filled with air for floatation.

These voids, the gravity solar geothermal convection envelopes conduct 
heating and cooling air , other voids provide spaces for pipes, 
telephone and shielded cables. The main household or building 
electrical current is conducted through a doped portion of the wall 
itself. Outlets simply connect to the positive and the negative 
channels to provide 12 direct current current anywhere in the 
structure, without generating harmful alternating currents that can 
kill. 

The quality of air inside envelope structures has already been 
observed, experienced and documented. A superior level of both comfort 
and health is being testified to by owners who have lived in the homes 
for more than 12 years. Testimony from Ekose¹a clients claim that 
allergies and other respiratory diseases such as colds and flu 
disappeared when the individual occupied an envelope home filled with 
plants. 

Our intention is to organize and create a global cartel of individual 
real estate developers, contractors and manufacturers, all organized 
and relating to a single data base and internal business economy or 
accounting system. Ekotecture International Incorporated will 
manufacture, install and deliver the floating biospheres or 
Ekospheres™. A subsidiary company of Ekotecture, Mothers of 
Maintenance or MOM™ incorporated will be organized to maintain the 
utility systems on board. Stock in both Ekotecture and MOM will be 
sold to the owners of the present energy and utility cartels and 
companies. Both companies will be employee owned and employee managed. 

We see the prototype development taking place in partnership with 
major universities. We have initiated discussion at MIT , RISD., U of 
Oregon, U of Glasgow. The programs would be funded by DOE, DOD, EPA 
and HEW. We believe that it is logical to use the retired DOD ship and 
submarine building facilities in cities like Charleston and others. 
The existing hydraulics and construction bays would save millions in 
the initial start up costs. Start up capital is being solicited from 
venture capitalists and the corporation plans to make application for 
funding through the Advanced Technology Program, recently created by 
the administration of Clinton and Gore. 

The initial prototypes are as follows;

(1) A 2000 sq. ft. single family detached home designed for the gated 
country club developments South Florida.
(2) A 1500 sq. ft. middle income tract home in Southern California or 
Nevada
(3) A 400 Sq. ft. Basic shelter for the undeveloped world market, 
Chine, India and Africa.
(4) A 2000 sq. ft. floating home and garden with swimming pool

All four prototypes will be manufactured simultaneously.

The Ekotecture concept will create millions of jobs world wide and 
will stimulate the economy of the United states and every other 
country which participates in its manufacture or maintenance. By 
creating a win, win, win scenario, all intelligent and motivated 
people will choose to get involved , making Ekotecture a global 
solution within the next 5 years. 

Your support and participation is invited, appreciated and vital. 

Ekotecture International Inc.
620 Biscayne Drive
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
or by Fax (407) 833-6834
telephone (407) 659-7656

or Email, lbutler@.emi.net

You can see the home page for ekosea homes at www.webcast1.com/ekosea


From builder@deltanet.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:05 EDT 1996
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Try to use BuilderNet referral service
at http://www.buildernet.com
you can send messages to bunch of manufacturers directly from thier pages
Good luck in your search.  ;)

In article <Pine.OSF.3.92a.960820170341.4012B-100000@saul5.u.washington.edu>, 
hungbui@u.washington.edu says...
>
>Any information that will help me to find a manufacturer of the followings
>would be very welcome:
>
>(1) A production line to manufacture bricks
>
>(2) A production line to manufacture accessories of a kitchen or bathroom
>sinks (such as water taps..)
>
>
>



From tectonic@probe.net Tue Sep  3 12:44:06 EDT 1996
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Job hunting, and interview related
question for Architectural/Engineering.

What is a good answer to give, when
asked what is your management style? Any
input is greatly appreciated.


Thank you
Frank H.


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You need to research the management style of the company. If it is a downsizing 
company you need to ruthless, while pretending to be a people person. See the 
Dilbert comic strip for pointers. If it is a small company, you probably need 
to be a people person, with an eye on the bottom end. The real anwser is you 
need to find out the management style of the company and anwser along those 
lines. Keep in mind though, its not much fun going through life pretending your 
something your not. Why not just be honest and wait for an offer at a company 
that matches your style. You will be happier.


In article <321FA25C.72B3@probe.net>, tectonic@probe.net says...
>
>Job hunting, and interview related
>question for Architectural/Engineering.
>
>What is a good answer to give, when
>asked what is your management style? Any
>input is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Thank you
>Frank H.



From matthewcn@aol.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:10 EDT 1996
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I went to the library and found a great book. I can not find a copy to
buy. I'm a student interested in COMMONSENSE ARCHITECTURE a cross-cultural
survey of practical design principles by John S. Taylor.
1. Does anybody know John S. Taylor?
or
2. Does anybody have a book for sale?
Thank You
please reply to this posting by sending E-Mail to either MatthewCN@aol.com
or PorterP@agcs.com


From mlozie19@mail.idt.net Tue Sep  3 12:44:11 EDT 1996
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From olivier@wirehub.nl Tue Sep  3 12:44:14 EDT 1996
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There are many software packages on mac for drafting and drawing
i personaly use Minicad 6.01(2&3D) for its ease of use ( in compareson
to a-cad and such) Minicad works with an export module to make 3dmf
models that can
be used in almorst every modeler on mac (like stratavision)
Somewhere on my page you can see results of minicad drawigs
http://www.wirehub.nl/~olivier/
however to make pre designs I always use a sketch book you know with
real paper and pen


From villalta@scf.usc.edu Tue Sep  3 12:44:15 EDT 1996
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All you need to tell me is:

REUSE, RECYCLE, AND RE-ELECT!!


This is what will be going around my school this fall semester.

Juan Villalta
Thesis, USC School of Architecture



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All you need to tell me is:

REUSE, RECYCLE, RE-ELECT!!

That is what will be going around my school this fall semester.

Juan Villalta
Thesis, USC School of Architecture



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Frank  <tectonic@probe.net> wrote:

>Job hunting, and interview related question for Architectural/Engineering.
 
>What is a good answer to give, when asked what is your management style?
>Any input is greatly appreciated.

The question does not matter :-) Just tell 'em:

"Ekotecture International is a Florida corporation, chartered for the 
purpose of licensing and franchising individuals, corporations, 
partnerships, trusts and foundations..."

Nick



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Subject: Roofponds in Austin?
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>   Mike Rice <mikerice@mail.sunsetdirect.com> wrote:

>>I'm designing a tight, well insulated house with an open floor plan.
>>I need 18K btuH to cool the house...

Would that be the peak cooling load? I wonder about the average...

I guess we are more concerned with cooling than heating in Austin, TX.
Here are some NREL climatic average data... 

          24 hour   daytime  nightime  average sun on  
          avg temp  high     low       s wall  horiz surface

Jan           49 F  59 F     39 F      1200     940 Btu/ft^2/day
Aug           85    96       74         820    2010

In August, the average windspeed is 7.5 mph, and the average humidity ratio
of the air is W = 0.0153 #water/#dry air, corresponding to saturated air at
69 F, according to the ASHRAE HOF, which also says the 5%-ile design wet bulb
temp in Austin is 77F. Does nightime radiant cooling improve this? Where are
the ASHRAE gurus? The elevation is 620', and the air pressure is 14.4 psia,
vs 14.7 at sea level.

A 1-story 2000 ft^2 house in Austin with 1400 ft^2 of walls with an average
US R-value of 10, and 2000 ft^2 of R1 ceiling, under a shallow 69 F roofpond
with some sort of shading above the south side, might have a simple electrical
model that looks like this, when it's 95 F outside: 

                    /--      resistors    --\
           95 ---www-------------------------www--- 69 
               0.0071 = 10/1400 | 1/2000 = 0.0005
                                | 
                                Thouse

The heat that flows from the walls through the roof (with some help from a
ceiling fan) might be (95-69)/(0.0071+0.0005) = 3401 Btu/hour, so the
temperature difference between the inside of the house and the ceiling might
be 3401 x 1/2000 = 1.7 F, ie the house might be 70.7 F inside in August, so
it might not need any other form of summer cooling. It takes about 1000 Btu
to evaporate a pound of water, so 3.4 lb water/hr, ie 0.007 gpm or 10 gallons
per day of water might cool the roof in August.

For a long, hot, humid spell, we might store some cool water in the house, and
design the ceiling with an airgap over a radiant barrier, with a large hole
in it, to allow warm air to flow up. Or we might not change the ceiling. The
ASHRAE HOF says the 5%-ile design dry bulb temp is 97 F in Austin, with a mean
coincident wet bulb temp of 74 F, and note c says this only applies to the
month of July. Perhaps this means that a worse heating load combination of
outdoor temperature and humidity happens less than 5% of the time, in July,
ie less than 1.5 days. Let's call it 2 days. Now suppose the radiant barrier
has an R-value of 14 for downward heatflow. How much 69 F water would we have
to store in the house to keep it at, say, 75 F, for those 2 days? 

If the house is warmer than 74 F, this model might apply:

           97 ---www-------------------------www--- 74 
               0.0071 = 10/1400 | 1/2000 = 0.0005
                                | 
                                Thouse

In this case, with no thermal mass in the house, 3009 Btu/hr flow up through
the ceiling, and the house temp would be 75.5 F. Oh my. We may have exceeded
our comfort limit. We might have to take off our 3-piece suits. How can we
prevent this catastrophe? We need a house capacitor:

           97 ---www-------------------------www--- 74 
               0.0071 = 10/1400 | 14/2000 = 0.007
                                | 
                                |----Thouse = 72 F.
                                |
                              -----  C
                              -----
                                |
                               ---

How big does C have to be, to keep the house at 72 F for two days, starting
with 69 F water? The temperature rise is 3 F, and Q = C dT, so Q = 3C, and 
over two days, the house will gain 48(97-72)/0.007 = 171K Btu of heat from
the walls and 48(74-72)/0.0071 = 13.5K Btu of heat from the ceiling, a total
of 185K Btu, so C = 62K pounds or 7700 gallons or 961 ft^3 or a 10' cube of
water. Or we might just live with the higher temperature, or go for a swim in
the roofpond, or make the walls of adobe, or strawbales with a masonry floor. 

Could this house be dehumidified with a dessicant sunspace floor (a thin
layer of reinforced concrete, with some foam underneath?), vented to the
outside during the afternoon and to the house just before dawn? 

A flat roof with a 2" deep roof pond might need less materials than a
conventional roof, and add fire protection, reducing insurance costs. With
an average 49 F January temperature and an 940 Btu/ft^2/day of sun falling
on a horizontal surface, we might float an R1 pool cover on the roof, so
the pond water at temperature T might lose 24 hours x (T-49) x 1 ft^2/R1
on an average day, so T = 49 + 940/24 = 88 F. So this house might not need
any other form of winter heating, in Austin.

Nick

PS: Our solar closet paper is at http://leia.ursinus.edu/~physics/solar.html



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Nick, youNick Pine wrote:
> 
> >   Mike Rice <mikerice@mail.sunsetdirect.com> wrote:
> 
> >>I'm designing a tight, well insulated house with an open floor plan.
> >>I need 18K btuH to cool the house...
> 
> Would that be the peak cooling load? I wonder about the average...
> 
> I guess we are more concerned with cooling than heating in Austin, TX.
> Here are some NREL climatic average data...
> 
>           24 hour   daytime  nightime  average sun on
>           avg temp  high     low       s wall  horiz surface
> 
> Jan           49 F  59 F     39 F      1200     940 Btu/ft^2/day
> Aug           85    96       74         820    2010
> 
> In August, the average windspeed is 7.5 mph, and the average humidity ratio
> of the air is W = 0.0153 #water/#dry air, corresponding to saturated air at
> 69 F, according to the ASHRAE HOF, which also says the 5%-ile design wet bulb
> temp in Austin is 77F. Does nightime radiant cooling improve this? Where are
> the ASHRAE gurus? The elevation is 620', and the air pressure is 14.4 psia,
> vs 14.7 at sea level.
> 
> A 1-story 2000 ft^2 house in Austin with 1400 ft^2 of walls with an average
> US R-value of 10, and 2000 ft^2 of R1 ceiling, under a shallow 69 F roofpond
> with some sort of shading above the south side, might have a simple electrical
> model that looks like this, when it's 95 F outside:
> 
>                     /--      resistors    --\
>            95 ---www-------------------------www--- 69
>                0.0071 = 10/1400 | 1/2000 = 0.0005
>                                 |
>                                 Thouse
> 
> The heat that flows from the walls through the roof (with some help from a
> ceiling fan) might be (95-69)/(0.0071+0.0005) = 3401 Btu/hour, so the
> temperature difference between the inside of the house and the ceiling might
> be 3401 x 1/2000 = 1.7 F, ie the house might be 70.7 F inside in August, so
> it might not need any other form of summer cooling. It takes about 1000 Btu
> to evaporate a pound of water, so 3.4 lb water/hr, ie 0.007 gpm or 10 gallons
> per day of water might cool the roof in August.
> 
> For a long, hot, humid spell, we might store some cool water in the house, and
> design the ceiling with an airgap over a radiant barrier, with a large hole
> in it, to allow warm air to flow up. Or we might not change the ceiling. The
> ASHRAE HOF says the 5%-ile design dry bulb temp is 97 F in Austin, with a mean
> coincident wet bulb temp of 74 F, and note c says this only applies to the
> month of July. Perhaps this means that a worse heating load combination of
> outdoor temperature and humidity happens less than 5% of the time, in July,
> ie less than 1.5 days. Let's call it 2 days. Now suppose the radiant barrier
> has an R-value of 14 for downward heatflow. How much 69 F water would we have
> to store in the house to keep it at, say, 75 F, for those 2 days?
> 
> If the house is warmer than 74 F, this model might apply:
> 
>            97 ---www-------------------------www--- 74
>                0.0071 = 10/1400 | 1/2000 = 0.0005
>                                 |
>                                 Thouse
> 
> In this case, with no thermal mass in the house, 3009 Btu/hr flow up through
> the ceiling, and the house temp would be 75.5 F. Oh my. We may have exceeded
> our comfort limit. We might have to take off our 3-piece suits. How can we
> prevent this catastrophe? We need a house capacitor:
> 
>            97 ---www-------------------------www--- 74
>                0.0071 = 10/1400 | 14/2000 = 0.007
>                                 |
>                                 |----Thouse = 72 F.
>                                 |
>                               -----  C
>                               -----
>                                 |
>                                ---
> 
> How big does C have to be, to keep the house at 72 F for two days, starting
> with 69 F water? The temperature rise is 3 F, and Q = C dT, so Q = 3C, and
> over two days, the house will gain 48(97-72)/0.007 = 171K Btu of heat from
> the walls and 48(74-72)/0.0071 = 13.5K Btu of heat from the ceiling, a total
> of 185K Btu, so C = 62K pounds or 7700 gallons or 961 ft^3 or a 10' cube of
> water. Or we might just live with the higher temperature, or go for a swim in
> the roofpond, or make the walls of adobe, or strawbales with a masonry floor.
> 
> Could this house be dehumidified with a dessicant sunspace floor (a thin
> layer of reinforced concrete, with some foam underneath?), vented to the
> outside during the afternoon and to the house just before dawn?
> 
> A flat roof with a 2" deep roof pond might need less materials than a
> conventional roof, and add fire protection, reducing insurance costs. With
> an average 49 F January temperature and an 940 Btu/ft^2/day of sun falling
> on a horizontal surface, we might float an R1 pool cover on the roof, so
> the pond water at temperature T might lose 24 hours x (T-49) x 1 ft^2/R1
> on an average day, so T = 49 + 940/24 = 88 F. So this house might not need
> any other form of winter heating, in Austin.
> 
> Nick
> 
> PS: Our solar closet paper is at http://leia.ursinus.edu/~physics/solar.htm


Nick, you have WAY too much free time on your hands.


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> 
>>What is a good answer to give, when asked what is your management style?
>>Any input is greatly appreciated.

Quote Casey Stengel on management: "Keep the guys who hate you from those who 
are undecided."


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I would like to get the advise on those who know as to the opportunities in 
Architecture as a career.  If one listens to what people say, the architect is 
on the decline...is this true or simply a myth?  Is it still a good career 
with good opportunity and income potential?  replay or E-mail me please!


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Which program do you recommend?


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It is really sad to see yet another example of a democrat spewing hate
talk and throwing around bad colored names at Dole and the Republican
Party, as he accuses us of the same.

I'm proude of the way my Party handled themselves at their convention.
It was positive and uplifting.  As you Democrats become more scared of
the inevitable victory we will achieve this election, you begin with
even more fear talk, name calling and insults to the American People.

Read your own letter and see you are guilty of your own accusations
against us.  You all simply disapoint me, and it is a real shame you
can't see there is no character left in your representatives.

I really don'yt know if we can take Clinton, Gore and Kemp another
four years.  God save our Country

dtowens@cogent.net (David Owens) wrote:


>If this is a typical democrat, God save us.




>>#1 Reason. It is not possible to cut taxes as much as he wants, no matter what
>>he says. Even if he cuts taxes as much as he wants to, this country will be in
>>deep sh*t for many years. Because this country will have HUGE d
>>eficit spending. 
>>#2 Reason. This year republicans went out of control. They are very LOW people.
>>They insult poor president and he is right by not responding back with
>>President.



>>It is low cultured to give jokes and insults to your opponents, people do this
>>when they fall really LOW, when they know they are going to lose.
>>This GOP convention was a real shame for the Republican Party and for the whole
>>America.
>>I had never seen Americans fell so low.
>>Republicans try to do everything to make Bill Clinton guilty in Whitewater
>>Scandal.
>>This year Republicans act like UNCULTURED PIGS.



>>Even if you’re a Republican you were probably ashamed by how your ‘brothers’
>>acted at GOP convention.
>>You understand that our only choice is BILL CLINTON!
>>Well, I don’t have to tell you how good Bill Clinton is, we already know it. 
>>Vote for Clinton.






steve@ss-pegasus7.com
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mlozie19@mail.idt.net (Monte Lozier) wrote:

>FreePager@gnn.com (Elena Dymova) wrote:

>><<<***Do not vote for Bob Dole***>>> READ THIS

>>#1 Reason. It is not possible to cut taxes as much as he wants, no matter what he says. Even if he cuts taxes as much as he wants to, this country will be in deep sh*t for many years. Because this country will have HUGE d
>>eficit spending. 
>>#2 Reason. This year republicans went out of control. They are very LOW people. They insult poor president and he is right by not responding back with President.
>>It is low cultured to give jokes and insults to your opponents, people do this when they fall really LOW, when they know they are going to lose.
>>This GOP convention was a real shame for the Republican Party and for the whole America.
>>I had never seen Americans fell so low.
>>Republicans try to do everything to make Bill Clinton guilty in Whitewater Scandal.
>>This year Republicans act like UNCULTURED PIGS.


>>Even if you’re a Republican you were probably ashamed by how your ‘brothers’ acted at GOP convention.
>>You understand that our only choice is BILL CLINTON!
>>Well, I don’t have to tell you how good Bill Clinton is, we already know it. 
>>Vote for Clinton.


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>Are you out of your mind???????????

Thank God there are sain replies to this jiberish

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From javierg@arrakis.es Tue Sep  3 12:44:29 EDT 1996
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From bjh_usa@usa.pipeline.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:31 EDT 1996
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FreePager@gnn.com (Elena Dymova) wrote:

><<<***Do not vote for Bob Dole***>>> READ THIS

>#1 Reason. It is not possible to cut taxes as much as he wants, no matter what he says. Even if he cuts taxes as much as he wants to, this country will be in deep sh*t for many years. Because this country will have HUGE d
>eficit spending. 

Actually the whole theory of supply side economics is to decrease
taxes in order to stimulate the economy.  This stimulation increases
the tax base.  Athough the tax rate is lower, there are a lot more
dollars out there to tax.  Thus the overall effect would be an
increase in revenue, not a decrease.  However, it is unlikely that we
would see extreme tax cuts.  A more moderate cut is more likely.  As a
Republican I would also like to see a cut in government spending to
match the tax reductions.  Since entitlement spending is the lion
share of the government's overall spending, I believe it should take
the lion share of the cuts.
>#2 Reason. This year republicans went out of control.

How do you reason this?  The Republicans want to balance the budget.
The President has waffled on this issue many times.  Unfortunately, it
is almost impossible to balance the budget when entitlement programs
are off limits.  Our determination to balance the budget includes
shutting the government down if the other side of the house won't
listen to reason.  It costs the American people a great deal to
maintain a deficit government and this has got to stop.

>They are very LOW people. They insult poor president and he is right by not responding back with President.

?????? 

>It is low cultured to give jokes and insults to your opponents, people do this when they fall really LOW, when they know they are going to lose.

Let me recall four years ago  "It's the economy, stupid"  This is by
far a larger insult than anything the Rebublican Party shelled out.

>This GOP convention was a real shame for the Republican Party and for the whole America.
>I had never seen Americans fell so low.

You obviously didn't watch it.  It was a good convention.  I think the
polls agree with this as well.

>Republicans try to do everything to make Bill Clinton guilty in Whitewater Scandal.

It is often said that a person is like the company they hang around
with.  Most of Clinton's buddies from his Governership days have been
implicated in this scandal.  Several have been found guilty.  I
believe Clinton played a role in it.  However, like Reagan on the
Irangate affair, he did a good job keeping the paper trail clean.

>This year Republicans act like UNCULTURED PIGS.

Actually, our symbol is an elephant.  This I believe is a little more
cultured than a jack ass.

Walt Graves
>Even if you’re a Republican you were probably ashamed by how your ‘brothers’ acted at GOP convention.
>You understand that our only choice is BILL CLINTON!
>Well, I don’t have to tell you how good Bill Clinton is, we already know it. 
>Vote for Clinton.


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From priz@acsu.buffalo.edu Tue Sep  3 12:44:33 EDT 1996
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Eddy Jang wrote:

> Which program do you recommend?
> 
> 

As a point of reference, I have never seen a better virus-protection
program than F-prot.

It's free for home users and available via site license for businesses.

Simply awesome!
 
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From tony@cqi.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:35 EDT 1996
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Hi,

I am offering free advice on all construction related problems.
Please look at my web page at: http://raptor.cqi.com/~tony
or you can e-mail me at tony@cqi.com

I hope that you will let me help

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From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Tue Sep  3 12:44:37 EDT 1996
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Larry Coutlee  <blrman@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Nick, youNick Pine wrote:

>> >   Mike Rice <mikerice@mail.sunsetdirect.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >>I'm designing a tight, well insulated house with an open floor plan.
>> >>I need 18K btuH to cool the house...

Larry, do you have to requote the  whole  thing?

>Nick, you have WAY too much free time on your hands.

Hire me to help you design a solar house. Stop me before I post again.

Nick



From robert@verso.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:38 EDT 1996
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anual convention in Boston, October 24th-29th. For information see the 
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From swanton@river.biddeford.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:40 EDT 1996
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In article <4vi5fu$d7g@ufo.ee.vill.edu>,
Nick Pine <nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu> wrote:
>george p swanton <swanton@river.biddeford.com> wrote:
>>Nick Pine <nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu> wrote:
>>>Conrad  <riverbank@ibm.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Passive solar has a big drawback due to the laws of physics. Since you
>>>>are LIVING WITHIN your heat storage medium you MUST put up with
>>>>temperature variations.
>>>
>>>False.
>>
>>If you can provide an example system design
>
>I've been doing that here for two years now, George :-) 
>Including a long email correspondence with you, in which
>you seemed unable to understand it... 

You post prolificly, that much is undisputed. However, 
the reader is not necessarily at fault if your
presentation is not understood...

>>for a 100% passive system (that means no fans, pumps, etc)
>
>I don't think that matters much. Sure, $15 thermostats and $50 2 Watt
>dampers and 36 Watt fans are not purely passive, but passive purity seems 
>old-fashioned, compared to comfort, simplicity and cost-effectiveness.

The point is that a system encorporating these components is active,
not passive, regardless of degree of complexity. It may make good
sense to include such components, but you cant claim to have a 
passive system.

[...]

>>we might not consider your assertion completely unsubstantiated. 
>
>Have We mistaken ourselves for The Queen?

Not lately, but one might suspect that you had when you pronounced
judgement upon the original poster. The point is that it does
no one any good to post a one word reply like 'FALSE'
without a substantiating arguement. 

>Some people seem to take longer to catch on than others, eg people
>who are unwilling to do arithmetic or high-school physics... 

Some of us are just a little slow Nick, you have to be
patient with us...

>>The storage medium will unavoidably vary in temperature.
>>The variation within the dwelling may be damped but
>>cannot be entirely eliminated.
>
>Bullshit. If the heatstore is always warmer than the house proper,
>by design, there is no need for house temperature variations.
>1. Look up the average winter temp and amount of sun where you live.
>2. Find out how much heat your house needs on that average day.
>3. Design some sort of low-thermal mass "sunspace" to provide that heat.
>4. Put a solar closet behind it, with enough water to store heat for a week. 
>
>Put a water heater above it with a warmwater convection loop, if you like. 
>
>There are a number of ways to move air. Natural convection works, eg with
>dampers that open and close using bimetallic springs, for passive purists,
>but that requires larger dampers than systems that use thermostats and
>small fans...  
>


Maintaining the heatstore above the temperature of the dwelling 
with 'n' days expected thermal storage does not ensure that the 
dwelling temperature will not vary. The rate of transfer of heat
>from  storage to the dwelling must exactly match the dynamic 
point in time requirements of the dwelling or temperature
variations will occur. A certain degree of lag/overshoot is 
inevitable. This is by no means fatal, if sufficiently small, 
it is not objectionable and doesn't really matter in practical 
terms. 

BTW: While your reply begins to address the heating needs of 
our 'arbitrary dwelling', it ignores the possibility of 
overheating of the dwelling space and the need for cooling,
which one might argue is a more difficult problem. 

Your refutation of the orinal post was absolute and 
unsubstantiated. You have to expect people to call you on the
carpet when you do something like that. 

gps





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Walter Graves wrote:
> Since entitlement spending is the lion share of the government's
>overall spending, I believe it should take the lion share of the cuts.

I agree, as long as we include ALL entitlements: farm subsidies,
veteran's benefits (even though I am one), etc., plus the defense
department and corporate welfare - not just Social Security and
medicare.  Depending on how you count, social security, medicare,
military, other entitlements, and debt service are about85% of US
governemnt spending.  The problem is that unless you tackle SS,
medicare, military spending, and the deficit, we can't possibly cut
enough from the remaining 15% to balance the budget AND compensate for
the explosion in expenses once we start retiring in 15 years.

....and....

>Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to balance the budget
>when entitlement programs are off limits.

How very true.  BOTH parties have shown a tremendous lack of courage on
this issue.  They are trying to fool everyone into believing that just
cutting discretionary spending will cure the deficit.  We could balance
the budget for the next decade or so, just through discretionary
spending cuts.  But when the baby boom generation starts retiring in
2010, all hell will break lose.


From bbaicad@best.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:43 EDT 1996
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Steve wrote:
> I'm proud of the way my Party handled themselves at their convention.
> It was positive and uplifting.

Let's not get carried away here, Steve..............The Repub's wrote
and approved the most conservative platform in this country's history,
setting the clock back about a hundred years.  They stiffled all
contrary views.  They adopted a financial plan that 95% of all
economists think is a pipe dream.  And they tried to make us believe
that ONLY they are concerned about family values, etc.  I am not going
to claim that the Dem's will be any different, but at least I don't go
around saying I am proud of what they did!

> As you Democrats become more scared of
> the inevitable victory we will achieve this election........

Again, I think you're getting carried away here.  Yes, Dole got a
post-convention bounce.  But wait until the Dem's have finished their
convention before comparing voter polls.  And remember, nothing is
inevitable (except that when all of us start retiring in 15 years it's
going to be a bloody mess).


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From solar3d@teleport.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:45 EDT 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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One very effective type of solar home is the
double envelope home, which was pioneered in
the 1970s by solar architect Lee Porter Butler.
I learned about these homes in a seminar
he gave in 1979 at UCSC.

The double envelope solar home is a two story house
with standard stud frame insulated east and west
walls, with a greenhouse on the equator side of
the house (south side of the house in US), and
a double wall on the side of the house furthest
>from  the equator (north wall in US).
In addition, the crawl space under the house
is an air plenum allowing air to flow between
the double wall and the greenhouse.  And the
roof is a double roof, for air to pass between
the greenhouse and the double wall.

The greenhouse has some wall space instead of
being totally glass, although most of the surface
is glass.  This greenhouse has a wood deck floor
with space between each plank allowing air to
filter between the floor boards.

The house has a gable roof, with ridge along the
east-west axis, and the greenhouse tapers off
to the top of the house, with an exposed water
tank installed horizontally near the top of the
greenhouse (not very noticable) for batch solar
water heating.

During the day, air in the greenhouse heats up
and rises into the double roof and then down the
double wall to the crawl space beneath the house,
and then up through the greenhouse floor boards.
This is a large cylinder of air, which acts
as insulation.  The only thermal mass, according
to Butler in his seminar about one particular
house he was teaching us about, was the bare
ground underneath the house in the crawl space.

On cold nights the air cylinder reverses, with
heat loss in the greenhouse causing the air in
the greenhouse to drop, pushing air into the
crawlspace and up the double wall and into the
top of the greenhouse.

On very hot days, you can eliminate the cylinder
flow of air by opening vents in the peak of the
roof and along the bottom of the house.

After I learned about these types of homes,
I did research into insulating air curtains,
and found that moving air can act as very
effective insulation.

Double envelope houses are not very common.
The only one I've seen was in Alaska, designed
by Skip Roy.  These houses are very effective
in very cold weather.  There are some drawbacks,
however, as noted in a Dept. of Energy fact
sheet (listed below), but these home designs
are suitable in some cases, and ideas from
these designs can be incorporated in many
types of homes very effectively.

The U.S. Dept. of Energy has compiled a
fact sheet about double envelope home design.
To read that on the web, first go to
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d/solar/links.shtml

then select
"EREC Residential Energy Efficiency"

then scroll down and select
"Thermal Envelope Houses"

You can also see a photo and a couple of
drawings at Lee Porter Butler's web site at:
http://webcast1.com/ekosea/

That web site also has information about ordering
Lee Porter Butler's book about these types of homes.

The double envelope house design is an
important passive solar design strategy
to know about.

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
3dsoft@presys.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d


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From sposton@washdc.mindspring.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:49 EDT 1996
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From: sposton@washdc.mindspring.com (R. Scott Poston)
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Subject: exploring alternatives to architecture degree, need advice
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I've spent the last eight months or so researching graduate schools
that emphasize sustainable architecture (see my web page at
http://members.aol.com/reidybrown/htmldocs/architecture/archpg1.html),
and now I'm interested in finding out more about alternative routes to
becoming involved in sustainable architecture.  I've got a
physics/graphic design background, and am interested in finding out
about possible consulting careers.  With my physics background, I do
the sort of energy analyses that Nick Pine posts, and with my design
background I integrate the necessary  materials, systems, etc, into a
beautiful, livable house.  Any suggestions?

Reidy Brown



From solar3d@teleport.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:50 EDT 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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One very effective type of solar home is the
double envelope home, which was pioneered in
the 1970s by solar architect Lee Porter Butler.
I learned about these homes in a seminar
he gave in 1979 at UCSC.

The double envelope solar home is a two story house
with standard stud frame insulated east and west
walls, with a greenhouse on the equator side of
the house (south side of the house in US), and
a double wall on the side of the house furthest
>from  the equator (north wall in US).
In addition, the crawl space under the house
is an air plenum allowing air to flow between
the double wall and the greenhouse.  And the
roof is a double roof, for air to pass between
the greenhouse and the double wall.

The greenhouse has some wall space instead of
being totally glass, although most of the surface
is glass.  This greenhouse has a wood deck floor
with space between each plank allowing air to
filter between the floor boards.

The house has a gable roof, with ridge along the
east-west axis, and the greenhouse tapers off
to the top of the house, with an exposed water
tank installed horizontally near the top of the
greenhouse (not very noticable) for batch solar
water heating.

During the day, air in the greenhouse heats up
and rises into the double roof and then down the
double wall to the crawl space beneath the house,
and then up through the greenhouse floor boards.
This is a large cylinder of air, which acts
as insulation.  The only thermal mass, according
to Butler in his seminar about one particular
house he was teaching us about, was the bare
ground underneath the house in the crawl space.

On cold nights the air cylinder reverses, with
heat loss in the greenhouse causing the air in
the greenhouse to drop, pushing air into the
crawlspace and up the double wall and into the
top of the greenhouse.

On very hot days, you can eliminate the cylinder
flow of air by opening vents in the peak of the
roof and along the bottom of the house.

After I learned about these types of homes,
I did research into insulating air curtains,
and found that moving air can act as very
effective insulation.

Double envelope houses are not very common.
The only one I've seen was in Alaska, designed
by Skip Roy.  These houses are very effective
in very cold weather.  There are some drawbacks,
however, as noted in a Dept. of Energy fact
sheet (listed below), but these home designs
are suitable in some cases, and ideas from
these designs can be incorporated in many
types of homes very effectively.

The U.S. Dept. of Energy has compiled a
fact sheet about double envelope home design.
To read that on the web, first go to
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d/solar/links.shtml

then select
"EREC Residential Energy Efficiency"

then scroll down and select
"Thermal Envelope Houses"

You can also see a photo and a couple of
drawings at Lee Porter Butler's web site at:
http://webcast1.com/ekosea/

That web site also has information about ordering
Lee Porter Butler's book about these types of homes.

The double envelope house design is an
important passive solar design strategy
to know about.

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
3dsoft@presys.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d/solar


From tony@cqi.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:52 EDT 1996
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From: "Anthony M. Ippolito" <tony@cqi.com>
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:22:30 -0400
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I do small drafting projects at home
tony@cqi.com
see my web page for free information at
http://raptor.cqi.com/~tony


From goddess@aone.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:53 EDT 1996
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I will be going to architecture school in the future and need to know 
which one of these three schools has the best program in landscape 
architecture:  U of WA, WSU, or U of ORE.  Irene S.


From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Tue Sep  3 12:44:54 EDT 1996
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From: nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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There are two articles about double envelope houses in Rodale's New Shelter
magazine, of September, 1980, which says "Hard data on double-shell homes"
on the cover.

The first article is "Double Shell Houses," subtitled "Finally, some facts,"
on pp 72-82, in which Larry Stains says:

  A promotional brochure for Ekose'a, a San Francisco firm that sells double
  shell house plans, says its homes "prove it is practical to design and build
  a structure which maintains any desired range of temperatures through any
  range of climatic conditions at any place on the earth [above the arctic
  circle in wintertime, with no sun at all for 6 months? --Nick] without the
  necessity of mechanical, electrical or fossil fuel back-up systems."

  That's a mighty big claim...

  Last winter, two double shell houses were monitored by researchers.
  Their findings indicate:

  1) The houses _did_ depend on auxiliary heat; thus the design is not
  a guarantee of energy self-sufficiency.

  2) No way does the earth underneath the house store the majority of
  the solar heat collected in the greenhouse.

  Don't misunderstand. Double shell houses are good houses that use a fraction
  of the energy consumed by conventional designs. But the double shell design 
  should be understood for what it is, not for what it is cracked up to be.
  So, for the facts, let's examine two homes...

  A detailed record of temperatures in the Burns house from mid-October to
  early February was compiled... then studied by three Boston-area solar
  engineers... The monitoring equipment consisted of temperature sensors
  at some 30 points throughout the house, and a data logger to keep track
  of it all. The findings are revealing. For one thing, temperatures in the
  living room sometimes fluctuated from the mid 70s on a sunny afternoon to
  the mid 50s by dawn, when it was 0 F outside...

  Another double shell given close scrutiny last winter was Robert and
  Elizabeth Mastin's house in Middletown, Rhode Island... Last January
  the house was monitored for 12 days by scientists from Brookhaven
  National Laboratory. To find out how much heat the house required to
  stay warm, the scientists installed three 1500-watt heaters in the
  house, one on each floor. They were controlled by a thermostat which
  the Mastins were requested to keep at 65 F. Daily records tabulated
  the electricity used by the heaters. In addition, sensors kept
  round-the-clock track of household temperatures. Let's look at one
  of the 12 monitored days: January 18. It was overcast; the outside
  temperatures ranged from 30 F, at 12:01 a. m. to 41 F at 2 p. m.,
  and back down to 37 F by midnight. The Brookhaven equipment showed
  that the average "inner house" temperature stayed between 62 and 65 F.
  It also showed that the three heaters were tapped for 193,707 Btus
  of back-up heat that day. That's the same as burning two gallons of oil.
  On a fairly mild winter's day, no less.

  The figures for the Burns and Mastin houses help to settle part of the
  controversy about double shell homes. But details need to be hammered out...
  Everyone has his pet theory, and one double shell aficionado in California
  actually talks of "holism" and "loopiness" when explaining the design.
  [Gee, I wonder who that was...]

There is a side-box that describes complete working drawings for a series
of double shell houses, sold by Tom Smith and his partner, John Hofacre,
for less than $100. The sidebox also says:

  Ekose'a sells blueprints for $500, a semi-custom design service for
  $4,000, and a full custom design service for 15% of construction costs.
  In order to get plans, you must purchase their $25 book.

The second article is an interview with the same Tom Smith, "The Double Shell:
An owner's Perspective," beginning on page 82. He says, inter alia:

  Avoiding confusion about the "envelope" requires only a little deprogramming
  from the Higher Order of Convective Loopers. The solar function of the house
  is only part of the story, and _there is no significant storage of excess
  heat for use during the heat losing times of the day_." [his emphasis]
   
When asked, "What's the future of the "envelope" system?" (in 1980), he said:

  I do not forsee any of the systems we now have surviving past the next few
  years. We have created a fit of a Frankenstein with my house here because it
  launched the field of envelope homes and is seen in competition with other
  systems. Nothing could have been further from my intentions...

  I would feel most proud if my house is remembered for being a step in the
  evolution toward mass energy-efficient design, rather than for introducing
  the "most efficient system."

  [Curious how Tom Smith says "my house," not "Lee Porter Butler's house."]

  After working on, literally, hundreds of passive designs, and living in
  this house over the past three years, I am convinced that energy efficiency
  will become considerably less exotic in the future. It is my belief that
  if we just study closely what is going on inside a house, we'll come up with
  some very simple, if prosaic, solutions. If you have ever spent any time
  living in other parts of the world you'd realize that a lot of our energy
  problems stem from just plain doing it wrong. It's a snap to save energy
  in this country. As soon as more people become involved in the basic math
  of heat transfer and get a gut-level, as well as intellectual, grasp on
  how a house works, solution after solution will appear.

Nick



From l-steinke@tamu.edu Tue Sep  3 12:44:56 EDT 1996
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If there is a alt.architecture.alternative FAQ, could someone either mail 
it to me at l-steinke@tamu.edu or give me the URL if it is accessable 
through the web.

Thank you,
ShadowFox


From ungar@netmedia.net.il Tue Sep  3 12:44:58 EDT 1996
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Are there any CAD, AutoCad, DataCad or other designs of Frank Lloyd's work?
I am very interested in these. Especially of houses in Oak Park, Chicago.

Thanks, Ofer.



From mmglass@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep  3 12:44:59 EDT 1996
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I can't speak for any others but I believe these political 
discussions should be carried on somewhere in the alt.politics.* 
newsgroups.  Please post your views and leave the alt.art.* 
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M. Tompkins


From meadows@earthlink.net Tue Sep  3 12:45:01 EDT 1996
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Building a sound proof studio in the spring 97 need info on the better 
building techs. that will assist me on a budget of say $5000.  Can you 
direct me to a book, etc.



thanks

rick


From rmarcial@ced.berkeley.edu Tue Sep  3 12:45:04 EDT 1996
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From: rmarcial@ced.berkeley.edu (Robert A. Marcial)
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The Vital Signs Curriculum Materials Project examines the physical
performance of buildings, their patterns of energy use, and their
impact upon occupant well being. The project's goal is to encourage
the design, construction and operation of environmentally responsible,
energy efficient buildings.  With architecture students and faculty as
its primary audience, the project promotes an approach to teaching
that include opportunities for students to learn through direct
experience.

With the participation of architectural educators from a number of
schools, Vital Signs has produced a series of Resource Packages
covering different building performance topics. Each package contains
background material providing an introduction to basic principles, a
discussion of how the topic affects design decision making, and
procedures and guidelines to support student investigation using
existing buildings as study sites.  The Resource Packages are not
intended to make up a 'model course', but to be adapted to the
preferences and needs of individual instructors. The packages can be
used to support 'precedent studies' in design studios, to create class
exercises, background readings and bibliographies in lecture classes,
or to support in-depth studies in small seminars or independent study
projects. The premise of the Vital Signs Project is that existing
buildings hold fascinating lessons on a variety of topics. Student
investigators, by testing clearly formed hypotheses about how a
building performs and is experienced by its occupants, will reveal the
stories a building has to tell.

Their investigations will vary in size and scope and need not be
exhaustive. Modest, clearly defined, well-executed studies can tell us
much about a building. Interesting, high-quality student studies will
be published with accompanying graphics on the Vital Signs Internet
site.  Through dissemination of information about well-known
buildings, gathered in the course of these student investigations,
Vital Signs hopes to influence a larger audience throughout the
building professions. Our long term goal is to develop a continually
growing number of 'Building Case Studies' available for review at the
Vital Signs Internet site. 

A limited number of sets of the Vital Signs Resource Packages were
printed in the spring of 1996 and distributed to selected
architectural educators at all ACSA member schools. To learn who
received a set at each schools, contact Bill Burke at
<<bburke@ced.berkeley.edu>>. 

In the near future,additional copies of The Vital Signs Resource
Packages will be available electronically via the Vital Signs Internet
site. For more information see the Vital Signs Home Page at
<<http://www.ced.berkeley.edu/cedr/vs/index.html>>. 

Vital Signs is supported by the Energy Foundation, the National
Science Foundation and Pacific Gas & Electric.




From solar3d@teleport.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:06 EDT 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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Nick,

Thanks for posting excerpts from those articles.
I've heard of those articles but have never had
a chance to see them.

> There is a side-box that describes complete working drawings for a series
> of double shell houses, sold by Tom Smith and his partner, John Hofacre,
> for less than $100.

Glad to hear there is a less commercial source
for plans than Lee Porter Butler.

Double envelope homes have some drawbacks, including
lower performance in mild climate (instead of colder
weather), and potential ease of fire spreading rapidly,
which hasn't happened yet, but could happen (DOE
recommends installing sprinklers, but it would
still be a design drawback).

I'm not going to run out and build such a home,
but I'm glad I learned about them and have
incorporated some concepts in greenhouse designs.

The Dept. of Energy info-sheet on these homes
notes the following:

> Although they differ widely from the original
> thermal envelope concept, hybrid designs show
> an improved performance over the double envelope.

I am interested in finding out more about
such hybrid designs.  Anyone have experience
with that?

Besides the 1980 book by Lee Porter Butler, which
I haven't seen, the DOE page lists these two
other books:

> Sun Earth Buffering and Super Insulation, D. Booth,
> Community Builders, 1983. Available from Community Builders,
> Canterbury, NH 03224, (603) 783-4743. 224 pp., $12.95
> (softcover), $15.95 (hardcover).
>
> Super-Insulated Houses and Double Envelope Houses,
> W. Surcliff, Brick House Publishing Company, Andover,
> MA, 1981. Out of print.

I bought the Community Builders book when it
came out, and I'm sure I still have it, though
I haven't seen it lately.  If I remember correctly,
I think it mainly covers construction details.

I'll keep an eye out for the Bill Shurcliff book in
used bookstores.

Carlos Portela

-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
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From genek@pacbell.net Tue Sep  3 12:45:07 EDT 1996
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From: GeneK <genek@pacbell.net>
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ungar@netmedia.net.il wrote:
> 
> Are there any CAD, AutoCad, DataCad or other designs of Frank Lloyd's work?
> I am very interested in these. Especially of houses in Oak Park, Chicago.
> Yes, there are.  Do a WWW search for Frank Lloyd Wright, 3d, CAD, Model.
You might also add 3dstudio, 3ds and dxf.  Some of the models out there 
(all 3d) include the Robie House, Unity Temple and Fallingwater.

Gene


From saturn@primenet.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:09 EDT 1996
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Philip Griffiths <p.griffiths@ulst.ac.uk> wrote:
: Interesting thread.  Have you read the book by Brian Norton
: "Solar Thermal energy Technology" published by Springer-Verlag
: 1992.

  One of the tract houses around the block from me has an interesting
solar collector. The one story house has a squarish gable running the
length of the roof. It is lined with windows, facing south.
  Talking with the owner, she stated that these windows heat the house up
like a son-of-a-bitch.  the area is uninsulated.  I think that I would
cover the windows up in the summer.

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From samson@pavilion.co.uk Tue Sep  3 12:45:11 EDT 1996
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I am studying Interior Architecture and Design at The Nottingham Trent University in England. My final year's
dissertation subject researches and investigates how people orientate themselves within airport terminals. 

I have narrowed this down to four principal areas; Structure, Colour and Light, Interior Design and Signage.  I am
now analysing these separately with the aim of discovering what attributes each area can bring to aid passenger
orientation and communication.

I am looking for a number of things and wondered if anyone would be able to help me.

Following this are a number of questions relating, to airport terminal design. If you or a colleague has an opinion
on any of these questions I would very much appreciate your observations. I'd also welcome any other
comments. Please eMail your reply to samson@pavilion.co.uk

I am trying to gather as much primary information as possible so any opinion is welcome.

1.	Can an Architect create a happy medium between those who see architecture from the outside for
example those arriving by aeroplane but also providing interesting, yet clear interior spaces?

2.	It has been said that airports lack "the structured and enjoyable experience that catching a boat or plane
once had." Is this true?

3.	In today's airports retail is given a high priority. Would you like to see less emphasis on retail and
more emphasis on travel or are these areas too closely integrated to allow separation?

4.	"The route from surface to air travel was always conceived as linear and clear". Should this be the
ultimate aim of an airport?

5.	I believe that there are two schools of thought, related to airport structure;

	a) The use of simple forms unrelated to air travel, for example, Stansted

	b) Those who relate the building to forms associated with air travel, for example, Kansai. 

	Can both these ideas work equally as well?

6.	"If you put (people) in an environment as antiseptic as a supermarket and bombard them with canned music
and canned announcements they go into a stubborn zombie-like trance". This is one view on the problems of some
of the world's older airports. Do new airports behave in this manner or not?

7.	It is necessary for me to reference replies in my work and I would appreciate some details of
recipients. If you can please leave your NAME; PROFESSION; POSITION; COMPANY/PRACTICE; COUNTRY OF
RESIDENCE. Your anonymity will be respected however if you would prefer. It is your comments that are most
important.
	
Has anyone had any experience working on any areas of design, furbishment or refurbishment of any airport
in the world and be prepared to answer some questions about the airport. Please contact me at my e-mail
address at samson@pavilion.co.uk

Can anyone give me any names and contact numbers/addresses of people who have worked on the terminals
below (especially the name and address of the architects' practice that designed them) or any other airport
terminal.  I would like to contact them and ask them if they would be prepared to answer a questionnaire.

			Kansai
			Stuttgart 
			Roissy I and II
			Schipol
			JFK
			Hamburg
			Graz

Lastly, can anyone recommend any good books or magazine articles? Can anyone lend/give me any pictures
or photos possibly relevant to my dissertation or have any other information or ideas that I could possibly use or
follow up on?

Thank you very much for reading this and I hope you will be able to help me as I would like to include as much
primary research as possible within my dissertation.


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From swanton@river.biddeford.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:14 EDT 1996
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In article <50085u$gfl@ufo.ee.vill.edu>,
Nick Pine <nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu> wrote:
>There are two articles about double envelope houses in Rodale's New Shelter
>magazine, of September, 1980, which says "Hard data on double-shell homes"
>on the cover.
>
>The first article is "Double Shell Houses," subtitled "Finally, some facts,"
>on pp 72-82, in which Larry Stains says:
>
>  A promotional brochure for Ekose'a, a San Francisco firm that sells double
>  shell house plans, says its homes "prove it is practical to design and build
>  a structure which maintains any desired range of temperatures through any
>  range of climatic conditions at any place on the earth [above the arctic
>  circle in wintertime, with no sun at all for 6 months? --Nick] without the
>  necessity of mechanical, electrical or fossil fuel back-up systems."
>
>  That's a mighty big claim...

It sure is. Their web page (http://webcast1.com/ekosea/) is
equally optimistic:

	"Uses solar, gravity and geothermal inertia, 
	_eliminating_ fuel consumption, maintenance
	and replacement costs." [emphasis added]

I would think that even if they could produce on the energy claims
that they wouldn't claim that it would last forever and be
maintenance free...

The book 'EKOSE'A HOMES' is defined as a
	
	"beautifully illustrated 115 page book describes 23 stock 
	designs for building systainable, healthy, beautiful
	homes in any climate."


>  Last winter, two double shell houses were monitored by researchers.
>  Their findings indicate:
>
>  1) The houses _did_ depend on auxiliary heat; thus the design is not
>  a guarantee of energy self-sufficiency.
>
>  2) No way does the earth underneath the house store the majority of
>  the solar heat collected in the greenhouse.
>
>  Don't misunderstand. Double shell houses are good houses that use a fraction
>  of the energy consumed by conventional designs. But the double shell design 
>  should be understood for what it is, not for what it is cracked up to be.
>  So, for the facts, let's examine two homes...

[bulk of a well written article deleted]

Thanks for passing along the results.


>When asked, "What's the future of the "envelope" system?" (in 1980), he said:
>
>  I do not forsee any of the systems we now have surviving past the next few
>  years. We have created a fit of a Frankenstein with my house here because it
>  launched the field of envelope homes and is seen in competition with other
>  systems. Nothing could have been further from my intentions...
>
>  I would feel most proud if my house is remembered for being a step in the
>  evolution toward mass energy-efficient design, rather than for introducing
>  the "most efficient system."

I wish I could recall where but I thought to have read of some 
less formal testing that showed at least one envelope house 
not even to follow the expected air-flow patterns, no matter
meet the unrealistic expectations cited further above. 

The envelope was/is an interesting concept and certainly a worthy
experiment, but it is a fairly expensive way to build a house
and the performance clearly isn't on par with the propaganda.

It's fun to rib Nick about some of his schemes and play devil's
advocate with him but but his primary emphasis that 'simple is 
good', and 'it doesn't have to be expensive to work' are 
fundamentally sound and the right direction to go.

gps
(spelling disclaimed, etc. Someday I'll go back to grade school...)



From anagrani@atl.mindspring.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:16 EDT 1996
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We have just finished developing a system which will allow you to create quickly and
easily CAD drawings on-site.

If you would like to see additional details, email me or call 770/993-7270 or fax @
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We can also arrange for demos in the metro Atlanta area





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From: swanton@river.biddeford.com (george p swanton)
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Subject: Re: Double Envelope Home Design
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In article <3223F312.29D4@teleport.com>,
Carlos Portela  <solar3d@teleport.com> wrote:
>Nick,
>
>Thanks for posting excerpts from those articles.
>I've heard of those articles but have never had
>a chance to see them.
>
[....]
>
>Double envelope homes have some drawbacks, including
>lower performance in mild climate (instead of colder
>weather), and potential ease of fire spreading rapidly,
>which hasn't happened yet, but could happen (DOE
>recommends installing sprinklers, but it would
>still be a design drawback).

This is a concern in any systems which allows free
(convective) flow of air through a reasonable portion
of a structure, but particularly so for the envelope
design.

I have seen suggested (sorry no reference) that
a type of trap-door firestop can be provided in 
duct areas. Normally the door is held open by a
fusible material. In the event of a fire, it is melted
and the weighted or spring actuated door closes.
(sufficient force to overcome the updraft is 
obviously required).

Anyone able to provide less nebulous design specs?





From barock@ukans.edu Tue Sep  3 12:45:20 EDT 1996
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From: "Brian A. Rock" <barock@ukans.edu>
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flashm19@mirage.skypoint.com wrote:
> 
> I would like to get the advise on those who know as to the opportunities in
> Architecture as a career.  If one listens to what people say, the architect is
> on the decline...is this true or simply a myth?  Is it still a good career
> with good opportunity and income potential?  replay or E-mail me please!


If you are interested in the technical side of buildings, then consider
architectural engineering.  ARCE's are engineers who design building
systems.  For more information on architectural engineering, visit:

KU Architectural Engineering Department
http://www.arce.ukans.edu/arce/arce.htm

National Society of Architectural Engineers (NSAE)
http://www.arce.ukans.edu/nsae/main.htm

Good luck in your quest.

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From aa043@torfree.net Tue Sep  3 12:45:21 EDT 1996
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Subject: Online Seminar on Urban Upgrading: Shifang, China  Sept. 10.
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McGill University School of Architecture's Minimum Cost Housing Group
is holding an online seminar on Urban Upgrading focusing on Shifang
China. This report is part of MCHG's Housing a Billion series.

It and other reports are available at http://www.wf.carleton.ca
under Knowledge and Home Front (under MCHG) and is part of the
Canadian Pavillion exhibit for Internet 1996 World Exhibition.

The online session will be held in Room #9922 at Diversity University
(an Education MUD, telnet moo.du.org 8888 to reach it, please email
 czsc@musica.mcgill.ca for instructions and to register for this event.
MUDs are text based real time communications systems that were mostly
used as games but are increasingly used for educational meetings.)

Meeting will be at 10 am EDT (Montreal time) on Tuesday Sept 10. 1996.
Please email Prof. Bhatt at czsc@musica.mcgill.ca if you have questions 
about MCHG.




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From bgoodric@nyx10.cs.du.edu Tue Sep  3 12:45:23 EDT 1996
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From gwally@halcyon.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:24 EDT 1996
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From dphayter@airmail.net Tue Sep  3 12:45:26 EDT 1996
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From: "Douglas P. Hayter" <dphayter@airmail.net>
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Subject: Re: CINVA RAM Block Press
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Paul G.McHenry wrote:
> 
> Help...help...
> 
> I'm looking for information on what the status is and where one might
> purchase a CINVA RAM, used by the Peace Corps in Latin America.  This

Paul,
I might be able to help you. My father worked at IBEC, a company out of
New York. IBEC worked closely with the CINVA company and Dr. Ramirez in
Bogota Columbia, the Cinva Ram's origin (and name sake). Send me e-mail.


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From audior1@roanoke.infi.net Tue Sep  3 12:45:30 EDT 1996
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From: audior1@roanoke.infi.net (audior1)
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From Leticia_Lau@sciarc.edu Tue Sep  3 12:45:31 EDT 1996
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From: Leticia_Lau@sciarc.edu (Leticia Lau)
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Subject: Freelance designer / draftsperson wanted
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Dear Kevin,

I am posting this for a friend. Please post this job in job book in library:

Freelance designer / draftsperson wanted

Flexible hours, 10 - 20 hours a week
Pay depends on experience.

Please contact Fran at (818)990-9616.
{ archipelago:          S C I - A r c Online}



From Archken@pacbell.net Tue Sep  3 12:45:34 EDT 1996
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flashm19@mirage.skypoint.com wrote:
> 
> I would like to get the advise on those who know as to the opportunities in
> Architecture as a career.  If one listens to what people say, the architect is
> on the decline...is this true or simply a myth?  Is it still a good career
> with good opportunity and income potential?  replay or E-mail me please!


Hmmmm, where should I start?  It's not as cheery-lucrative as the image you get.

I'm just another young architect practicing now for a few years in California.

It's a fact that there are just too many architects and architect candidates out there today.  
This means fewer projects per designer in general, which leads to more competitive (lower) 
fees, which leads to being overworked and overstressed.  Same occurs with employment in an 
architecture office---meager wages, you're SO EXPENDABLE as an employee, but you have to work 
your tail off just to get by.

This, coupled with our natural idealism and sheer enjoyment of our work, makes for a steady 
decline of our profession.  And along with the higher complexity of new projects, increased 
regulations, circumvention of our traditional duties by other professionals, and the low 
public opinion of the value of GOOD DESIGN---architecture, as a profession, is defragmenting 
and slowly dissolving into a mere pastime for intellectuals...   whatever.  

I've heard many comments like "if I had a million bucks, what would I do?  I would practice 
architecture until it ran out."

I think many in our field just don't make it---they change careers.  Many others survive okay, 
but just okay.  Sometimes it's cutthroat competitive---especially in the recent economic 
constructon slump.  And a few lucky, talented, hard-working suckers make it above average.  
However, many will tell you it's not what they've been taught in school.  It's not the fun 
"designing."  Instead, it's a lot of other non-architecture tasks and knowledge that they 
have.  I think about 1 out of 10,000 architects are wealthy, respected designers.  Most would 
tell you it's not money that defines success to them.  Well, they would HAVE to say that.

One the other hand, architecture is perfect for those who don't have to worry about money, 
income, paying the bills, etc.  But also, the low general opinion of the value of good design 
is the most disappointing.  What prestige?  We have to do a lot more educating of the masses.

These are the doldrums.

Then again, I have to confess to the great wealth of friends and associates so well-balanced, 
intelligent, talented, knowledgeable, honest, modest, likeable and so wholesomely beautiful 
you would only find in the field of architecture.  We are merely artists and philosophers.


From rlovoy@bham.mindspring.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:35 EDT 1996
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In article <01bb8eb2$61f3a160$d989acc7@kroft.tcgcs.com>, "Jeff Kroft"
<kroft@tcgcs.com> wrote:

> I would like any and all information pertaining to homes
> built using recycled tires.

There is a small "Temple" made of recycled tires in Greeneville, Alabama. 
It was designed and built by architecture students at Auburn University. 
I am not sure of the date but photos and a story about it was published in
either "Architecture" or "Architectural Record" sometime last year or the
year before.  I went there last April and was knocked out by it.  It was
truly amazing.  It was built as part of a "Rural Design" requirement.  If
you are interested, you can e-mail me at rlovoy@bham.mindspring.com and I
will help in tracking down more info or you could probably call the Auburn
University School of Architecture. I am sure they could help you out.  I
am sure a lot of research was done during the design and they probably
have a good deal of information on the subject.

Good luck...

Randy Lovoy


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Elaine Gallegos wrote:
> 
> 
>   One of the tract houses around the block from me has an interesting
> solar collector. The one story house has a squarish gable running the
> length of the roof. It is lined with windows, facing south.
>   Talking with the owner, she stated that these windows heat the house up
> like a son-of-a-bitch.  the area is uninsulated.  I think that I would
> cover the windows up in the summer.
> 
> 

One of the main problems which everyone seems to raise on this newsgroup
is the failure of solar energy ideas, designs, products etc in use,
especially overheating.

The installation of solar collectors on a house is not adhoc like the
purchase of television set.   It is obvious to me that a small degree of
thermal modelling would have highlighted the overheating problem BEFORE
installation.

regards



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From corn@aloha.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:38 EDT 1996
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From: Chad Okinaka <corn@aloha.com>
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Subject: Re: more information on solar homes
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:06:40 -0700
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Robert and Amy Appleton wrote:
> 
> Hello, I'm interested in building a solar home from the ground up.  My
> wife and I are currently looking into options in this area of design.
> Please any input or ideas would be appreciated.
> 
>                                          Robert and Amy Appleton

Contact Mr. Solar's Newletter (Charlie Collins) at the following E-mail 
address: MrSolar@netins.net.  He published a great Solar newsletter.  I 
am no expert, but I am a registered architect with some experience.  Feel 
free to contact me - if I can help, I will.

Chad Okinaka, AIA


From conrad@cidoc.iuav.unive.it Tue Sep  3 12:45:40 EDT 1996
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From: Corrado Petrucco <conrad@cidoc.iuav.unive.it>
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Hi,

I need help. I'm looking for papers, articles, books, and other
sources about the high-tech material used to build the
Nemausus buildings by J. Nouvell.


Very many thanks in advance.

Maria 

P.S.

I live in Venice and I want to thank people who can help me
sen useful material about the city.
-- 
Please send mail to: conrad@cidoc.iuav.unive.it


From john@mobile.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:41 EDT 1996
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Galaxy Web Design offers a complete array of web designs for personal
use and business professionals.  The sites we design associate unique
graphics and modern web features with creative solutions to organizing
and exhibiting our clients' important information.  Effective content
presentation and charismatic graphics are the keys to a lively and
prosperous site.

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From haskell@tu.infi.net Tue Sep  3 12:45:43 EDT 1996
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Subject: Re: <<<***Do not vote for Bob Dole***>>> READ THIS
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Steve wrote:
> Bob Dole is a hypocrite.   He stood for fiscal conservatism for all those 
years he was in the senate and now he's turned into an irresponsible 
candidate.   My vote is for the incumbent,  by default.


From corn@aloha.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:44 EDT 1996
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From: Chad Okinaka <corn@aloha.com>
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King wrote:

> I agree with all architects and clients alike that pretty computer
> renderings and working drawings are easy to read and maintain a standard of
> presentation which is accurate and true to life as we can get.  However, I
> am concerned that the screen and keyboard has  replaced the mighty pen and
> paper.  Surely the artistic talents of the designer cannot be totally
> controlled by the electronic brain,  what's happened to the inspirational
> sketch on the back of a matchbox.

I respect the notion that you are trying to convey.  However, if the computer 
is both "easier to read and more accurate", what advantages then do you see to the 
pen drawing on the back of a matchbook?  Other than it's nostalgic and artistic 
appeal, pen sketches are just a sketch (to be taken with a grain of salt), a 
representation, a basic conveyance of a thought.  

Other than the very intitial stages of schematic design, the pen has little 
advantages (IMHO) over the computer.  The computer is much more powerful from that 
point.  Why?  Other than the reasons you stated above, there is the ability to 
re-use and modify drawings done in earlier stages and develop them into Design 
Development & Working drawings (savings in labor and time = more profit).  In 
addition, if a client cannot read plans or visualize, an accurate computer model 
can be built so that the client can view the space.  A great feature that is still 
in it's infancy but does work is the Virtual Reality (IE: Quiktime VR) aspect.  
Where you can sit in a meeting with the client and view the building 
interactively, controlling views with the mouse.  

Above point is geared towards massing studies.  In addition, say the client wants 
to know how the carpet pattern will work with the wallpaper pattern.  Samples of 
the materials can be scanned and "pasted" into the model (texture mapped) and the 
client can see the material selection in VR.

Additionally, cost estimating, area calculations, revisions to drawings, etc.  
There are some very sophisticated software out there.

> All profesionals beware, please don't overdo the electronic gadgetry in
> your office, let the individual express their ideas in their own way and
> let the power of the habd and pen reign once more.

Although the computer is not for everyone, I would choose it over the pen almost 
always.  Maybe it is because, IMHO, the computer gives me more artistic freedom 
then the pen.  Maybe I don't know how to use a pen properly!  ;)

Chad Okinaka, AIA


From janf@dimensional.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:46 EDT 1996
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I'm looking for examples of multi-layered Tiffany windows for a research
project. If you know of some interesting examples of this type of
window, could you please e-mail?

--Jan


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Why is it that the Democrats who tell us how great Clinton is have the
writing ability of eight year-olds?  I'm actually offending the 2nd and
3rd graders out there (sorry, kids).  I'm not even going into all the
reasons we shouldn't be reelecting Clinton because that should be saved
for a political newsgroup, but please people--if you're going to post, and
you want others to take your opinion seriously, give yourself credit
enough to write well.

-- 
Annette Seesink
ams194@psu.edu


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From theschwartz@molgen.biosci.ohio-state.edu Tue Sep  3 12:45:51 EDT 1996
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><<<***Do not vote for Bob Dole***>>> READ THIS

>#1 Reason. It is not possible to cut taxes as much as he wants, no matter what he says. Even if he cuts taxes as much as he wants to, this country will be in deep sh*t for many years. Because this country will have HUGE d
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>#2 Reason. This year republicans went out of control. They are very LOW people. They insult poor president and he is right by not responding back with President.
>It is low cultured to give jokes and insults to your opponents, people do this when they fall really LOW, when they know they are going to lose.
>This GOP convention was a real shame for the Republican Party and for the whole America.
>I had never seen Americans fell so low.
>Republicans try to do everything to make Bill Clinton guilty in Whitewater Scandal.
>This year Republicans act like UNCULTURED PIGS.


>Even if you’re a Republican you were probably ashamed by how your ‘brothers’ acted at GOP convention.
>You understand that our only choice is BILL CLINTON!
>Well, I don’t have to tell you how good Bill Clinton is, we already know it. 
>Vote for Clinton.


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From bbaicad@best.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:54 EDT 1996
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Annette Seesink wrote:
> 
> Why is it that the Democrats who tell us how great Clinton is have the
> writing ability of eight year-olds?

I hope you are not trying to imply that only Democrats spell badly, or
that all Republicans spell wonderfully.  Are you?  If so, such reasoning
power tends to undercut anything else you have to say.

> I'm actually offending the 2nd and 3rd graders out there (sorry, kids).

> if you want others to take your opinion seriously,
> give yourself credit enough to write well.

Annette, if you want others to take your opinions seriously, try a
little less awkward phraseology.  How is it that you are offending 2nd
and 3rd graders?  And, "give yourself credit enough to write well?" 
Neat turn of phrase....

BTW, I was told that people don't care about spelling on newsgroups. 
The idea is simply to express an idea, and not to get hung up on the
spelling.  Works for me.............


From ewiik@cyberstore.ca Tue Sep  3 12:45:56 EDT 1996
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From: Erik Wiik <ewiik@cyberstore.ca>
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Does anybody know who Paolo Soleri is?  Or an ARCOLOGY?  I like Soleri's
drawings!


From nicolas.bilodeau@tr.cgocable.ca Tue Sep  3 12:45:57 EDT 1996
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flashm19@mirage.skypoint.com wrote:
> 
> I would like to get the advise on those who know as to the opportunities in
> Architecture as a career.  If one listens to what people say, the architect is
> on the decline...is this true or simply a myth?  Is it still a good career
> with good opportunity and income potential?  replay or E-mail me please!

	Il est vrai que la profession d'architecte est en declin, par contre,
il existe une multitude de sous branche. La profession devra s'adapter
au marche actuel.

	If you like computing, infographie, 3d modeling and design. This career
can give you many good opportunity.
	You are very interested by architecture, go for it!


From chad_b@wcla.com Tue Sep  3 12:45:59 EDT 1996
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From: Chad Berreau <chad_b@wcla.com>
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Paul Mahler wrote:
> 
> I am looking for alternatives to a traditional
> septic system. I have a piece of land I would
> like to build on that won't pass a percolation
> test. Does anyone have any suggestions for
> alternate sewage disposal systems that
> could pass code?
> 
> Thanks in advance,


how about compost?  should work for toilets at least.


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I am looking for alternatives to a traditional
septic system. I have a piece of land I would
like to build on that won't pass a percolation
test. Does anyone have any suggestions for
alternate sewage disposal systems that 
could pass code?

Thanks in advance,


From jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com Tue Sep  3 12:46:02 EDT 1996
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From: jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com(Joe Hindorff)
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On Aug 28, 1996 15:11:13 in article <Re: Double Envelope Home Design>,
'swanton@river.biddeford.com (george p swanton)' wrote: 
 
 
>In article <3223F312.29D4@teleport.com>, 
>Carlos Portela  <solar3d@teleport.com> wrote: 
>>Nick, 
>> 
>>Thanks for posting excerpts from those articles. 
>>I've heard of those articles but have never had 
>>a chance to see them. 
>> 
>[....] 
>> 
>>Double envelope homes have some drawbacks, including 
>>lower performance in mild climate (instead of colder 
>>weather), and potential ease of fire spreading rapidly, 
>>which hasn't happened yet, but could happen (DOE 
>>recommends installing sprinklers, but it would 
>>still be a design drawback). 
> 
>This is a concern in any systems which allows free 
>(convective) flow of air through a reasonable portion 
>of a structure, but particularly so for the envelope 
>design. 
> 
>I have seen suggested (sorry no reference) that 
>a type of trap-door firestop can be provided in  
>duct areas. Normally the door is held open by a 
>fusible material. In the event of a fire, it is melted 
>and the weighted or spring actuated door closes. 
>(sufficient force to overcome the updraft is  
>obviously required). 
> 
>Anyone able to provide less nebulous design specs? 
> 
Hi George: 
 
I would recommend that you also check out http://enertia.com/ 
 
I have nothing to do with this site, but I think that you will find it to
be very similar to what you are talking about. 
> 
> 
-- 
 
Joe  
 
"All anger is fear, and all fear is fear of loss" 
                                        Richard Bach


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From john@nine7.demon.co.uk Tue Sep  3 12:46:05 EDT 1996
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In article <3226C717.2812@ulst.ac.uk>
           p.griffiths@ulst.ac.uk "Philip Griffiths" writes:

> Elaine Gallegos wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   One of the tract houses around the block from me has an interesting
> > solar collector. The one story house has a squarish gable running the
> > length of the roof. It is lined with windows, facing south.
> >   Talking with the owner, she stated that these windows heat the house up
> > like a son-of-a-bitch.  the area is uninsulated.  I think that I would
> > cover the windows up in the summer.
> > 
> > 
> 
> One of the main problems which everyone seems to raise on this newsgroup
> is the failure of solar energy ideas, designs, products etc in use,
> especially overheating.
> 
> The installation of solar collectors on a house is not adhoc like the
> purchase of television set.   It is obvious to me that a small degree of
> thermal modelling would have highlighted the overheating problem BEFORE
> installation.
> 
> regards
> 
> 
> 
Is there a simple way or formulae for estimateing amount of storage of hot & 
cool?
On the old duttch wind mills there was adjustabl slats to be alterd for 
diferent wind, why isnt there somthing like it today for shade & sun alteration
as we've got the z80 micro computer all these years? 
-- 

Yours sincerely....John G.*?*?*?*?*? Us Neuron's don't KNOW that much, period.
*What is existance without socialising?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?*?
(Everybody wants to be certifiably nice on this tide of awesome tech' power.)c?
(Posts mispelt or not should be written with content to be worth saving
so as apathy doesn't drown lurkers)c?


From chruneyj@postoffice.ptd.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:07 EDT 1996
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Annette Seesink wrote:
> 
> Why is it that the Democrats who tell us how great Clinton is have the
> writing ability of eight year-olds?  I'm actually offending the 2nd and
> 3rd graders out there (sorry, kids).  I'm not even going into all the
> reasons we shouldn't be reelecting Clinton because that should be saved
> for a political newsgroup, but please people--if you're going to post, and
> you want others to take your opinion seriously, give yourself credit
> enough to write well.
> 
> --
> Annette Seesink
> ams194@psu.edu

Damn straight Annette,  I just came hear to see how much a fifty gallon
drum of eucalyptus might cost . . . imagine that.  Wrong newsgroup.


From wfp@shoestring.zipnet.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:08 EDT 1996
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From: wfp@shoestring.zipnet.net (Bill Phillips)
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Fractal Design Painter Class ... Boston Architectural Center

Still time to register! 

See extensive course description, information at:

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How about a small greenhouse with a biological system?


From JULZ1130@worldnet.att.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:10 EDT 1996
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Try www.arcosanti.org/info/index.html



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From JXL4050@utarlg.uta.edu Tue Sep  3 12:46:13 EDT 1996
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From: JXL4050@utarlg.uta.edu (Jianhao Lu)
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Steve Schwartz (marcon@infinet.com) wrote:
: FreePager@gnn.com (Elena Dymova) wrote:

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: >This GOP convention was a real shame for the Republican Party and for the whole America.
: >I had never seen Americans fell so low.
: >Republicans try to do everything to make Bill Clinton guilty in Whitewater Scandal.
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From r.bahm@ieee.org Tue Sep  3 12:46:15 EDT 1996
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From: Raymond Bahm <r.bahm@ieee.org>
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Elaine Gallegos wrote:
> 
> Philip Griffiths <p.griffiths@ulst.ac.uk> wrote:
> : Interesting thread.  Have you read the book by Brian Norton
> : "Solar Thermal energy Technology" published by Springer-Verlag
> : 1992.
> 
>   One of the tract houses around the block from me has an interesting
> solar collector. The one story house has a squarish gable running the
> length of the roof. It is lined with windows, facing south.
>   Talking with the owner, she stated that these windows heat the house up
> like a son-of-a-bitch.  the area is uninsulated.  I think that I would
> cover the windows up in the summer.
> 
What you are describing sounds like what we term "clerestory" window.
South-facing windows on a solar home usually have an overhang that
blocks the summer sun's rays.  Since the sun is lower in the sky in
the winter, they are not blocked in the wintertime.  This is standard
passive solar design technology.
-- 
Ray Bahm  --  r.bahm@ieee.org


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> In article <Pine.OSF.3.92a.960820170341.4012B-100000@saul5.u.washington.edu>,
> hungbui@u.washington.edu says...
> >
> >Any information that will help me to find a manufacturer of the followings
> >would be very welcome:
> >
> >(1) A production line to manufacture bricks

This company can make you any kind or shape of brick imaginable.  From cubes to sculptured bas relief.
They also sponsor design competitions for students, if any schools don't already know.

ACME BRICK COMPANY
PO BOX 425
FT WORTH, TEXAS 76101


From nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu Tue Sep  3 12:46:18 EDT 1996
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From: nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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Subject: A cure for a damp basement?
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Bill Shurcliff wrote (in December, 1980, in "Solar Flashes," the newsletter
of Colorado's Alternative and Solar Energy Associations)...

It seems to me a crying shame not to make use of the thermal capacity of a
concrete basement. The house proper weighs, say 15 tons, and the concrete
basement (concrete floor, concrete walls) weighs about 60 tons. Tremendous!

[60x2000x0.16 = 19K Btu/F, like 40 55 gallon drums full of water?...]

One idea is to heat all this up to about 100 F; thus it stores much heat, and
this heat can be used at night, or next cloudy day, to warm the rooms. An idea
that appeals to me is to use a low-cost, informal, air-type solar collector
to heat the basement to 60 of 70 F, then use a COP-3 GE 10,000 Btu/hr air
conditioner (new type costing about $500 or $600) to transfer heat from the
basement air to the room air; the rooms are kept warm, and the basement air
gets colder and colder--until the next sunny day, when solar energy heats the
basement up again to about 70 F. The air conditioner is mounted in the floor
between the central hall and the basement below; it steadily "tries to cool"
the basement, while using the main story (central hall) as a heat sink.

Note that the basement, being no hotter than about 70 F, does not lose much
heat to the outdoors (the basement is insulated on the exterior, of course.)
Also note that, inasmuch as the solar air-type collector is called upon to
deliver air that is only at about 70 or 80 F, the collector can be merely
single-glazed and of very flimsy, cheap type--say a long plastic contraption
draped along the entire south wall of the house, below window level; ie a
"drape" 4 ft. high and 36 ft. long, say, with a small blower and flexible
duct, circulating basement air into the collector and back into the basement.

Note also that the basement, being usually at about 60 or 70 F, is eminently
habitable (for workroom, playroom, bedroom, or whatever.) Note, finally, that
the air conditioner can be relocated and reassigned in summer to act as a
normal cooler, to keep all of the rooms cool. (I assume that the house is
superinsulated, so that even a modest amount of cooling will suffice to keep
the entire house cool.)

...

My house has a dirt basement floor, with stone walls, with insulation outside
of the stone, and it's often quite damp. I've been thinking of adding a vapor
barrier, but Norman Saunders says the main mechanism for upward heatflow in
the ground is evaporation of water, with condensation above... This seems
like a nice inexpensive high-performance heat pump, using equipment that many
people already own, with a good 55 F heat source even in the dead of winter. 

Nick



From Arkhitek@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep  3 12:46:20 EDT 1996
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From: arkhitek <Arkhitek@ix.netcom.com>
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Ken wrote:
> 
> flashm19@mirage.skypoint.com wrote:
> >snip<
> 
> Then again, I have to confess to the great wealth of friends and associates so well-balanced,
> intelligent, talented, knowledgeable, honest, modest, likeable and so wholesomely beautiful
> you would only find in the field of architecture.  We are merely artists and philosophers.

yay!


From kenmyhre@online.no Tue Sep  3 12:46:21 EDT 1996
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Bare en test


From nissen@pole.se Tue Sep  3 12:46:23 EDT 1996
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Jaaaaa


From Arkhitek@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep  3 12:46:25 EDT 1996
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Annette Seesink wrote:
> 
> Why is it that the Democrats who tell us how great Clinton is have the
> writing ability of eight year-olds?  I'm actually offending the 2nd and
> 3rd graders out there (sorry, kids).  I'm not even going into all the
> reasons we shouldn't be reelecting Clinton because that should be saved
> for a political newsgroup, but please people--if you're going to post, and
> you want others to take your opinion seriously, give yourself credit
> enough to write well.
> 
> --
> Annette Seesink
> ams194@psu.edu


What the hell does this have to do with architecture?


From Nicolas.Hinz@wanadoo.fr Tue Sep  3 12:46:27 EDT 1996
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From: Nicolas.Hinz@wanadoo.fr (Hinz Nicolas)
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:21:41 +0200
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I´m interested on your group, but this is the first time I go on a news
group.Can you please explain me what I have to do to comunate with you ?

-- 
Nicolas


From keesy@pi.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:28 EDT 1996
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From: keesy@pi.net (Keesy)
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Greetings to all Futurists,

     I am a structural engineer who has developed the social structure
of an ideal civilization.  
     My original ideas for an ideal trouble-free economy have been
presented to the United States House Of Representatives and published in
the Congressional Record, the prestigious monthly magazine of the
Illinois Bankers Association, in national tabloids, and elsewhere.
     I am now seeking contact with futuristic architects, designers,
engineers, builders, and students who have visions of the structures of
futuristic societies and perhaps has produced artistic rendering of
them.
     If anyone knows of such individuals, I would appreciate being
notified of their mailing addresses.

     Cheers from     -      Keesy@pi.net
     



From cdesigns@cyberg8t.com Tue Sep  3 12:46:29 EDT 1996
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From: cdesigns@cyberg8t.com (Jim Diebolt)
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My name is Jim Diebolt 
My company is Creative Design Services

Fax me your floorplan of cabinet details and I will fax you back laser
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From solar3d@teleport.com Tue Sep  3 12:46:31 EDT 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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Chad Berreau wrote:
> 
> Paul Mahler wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for alternatives to a traditional
> > septic system. I have a piece of land I would
> > like to build on that won't pass a percolation
> > test. Does anyone have any suggestions for
> > alternate sewage disposal systems that
> > could pass code?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> 
> how about compost?  should work for toilets at least.

Compost toilets work fine on rural sites
where you can use the compost for trees.
I was taught the compost should not be used
in gardens to avoid possible contamination,
and that fruit that fall on ground treated with
the compost should not be eaten.  I was told,
however, that fruit from such trees was fine
to eat, so long as it did not contact the soil.

I built compost toilets on rural farms using
several books.  One was Sim Van der Ryn's "The
Toilet Papers."  I think another book was
called "Goodbye to the Flush Toilet."
For info about the new edition of The Toilet
Papers, see this web page:
http://www.trope.com/edi/publications.html

The primary architectural design considerations
I remember of rural compost-toilet/out-houses
are poper vent design, and proper compost chamber
opening design (on cool side of building to
have less insects/flies when opening chamber
to move compost).

The vent is usually a pipe sticking out of the
top of the building, possibly painted dark and
could even be glazed for a chimney effect.
It is necessary to have air flowing up the vent
stack, so that when you use the toilet, air
goes into the tiolet from the room instead of
>from  the toilet into the room.  With such
proper venting, the room never smells bad or
picks up airborne pathogens, since the odors
go up the vent stack instead of into the room.
Passive vent designs worked for us.  If that
doesn't work for you, then install a fan in
the vent to assure proper venting.

Compost toilets have been used in organic
agriculture for a long time.  I heard that
in China, farmers place high value on the
compost and have built compost toilets on
the side of the road for passersby to use,
and try to make it more attractive than
neighboring farmers' compost toilets to
attract people to use theirs instead of
their neighbors' out houses, resulting in some
very nice compost toilet building designs.

Sincerely,

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
3dsoft@presys.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d


From axluigi@geocities.com Tue Sep  3 12:46:32 EDT 1996
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From: axluigi@geocities.com (axLu)
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Some reasons not to vote for BOB:  he is too old, he refuses to sign
pledge supporting anti-abortion, he favors Internet Censorship, he mixes
religion with politics, he is Anti-Affirmative Action, his economic plans
do not add up, etc. etc. etc....

S T O P  BOB FROM TAKING OVER!!!

-- 
http://www.tripod.com/~luigui/index.html
http://www.angelfire.com/pages0/LYH/


From Xina@netins.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:34 EDT 1996
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From: Xina <Xina@netins.net>
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axluigi@geocities.com (axLu) wrote:
>Some reasons not to vote for BOB:  he is too old, he refuses to sign
>pledge supporting anti-abortion, he favors Internet Censorship, he mixes
>religion with politics, he is Anti-Affirmative Action, his economic plans
>do not add up, etc. etc. etc....
>
>S T O P  BOB FROM TAKING OVER!!!

These are all legitimate concerns however Im not too worried Bobby boy 
will get into office for these reasons"

Under the Clinton Administration we have the lowest unemployment in the 
country for well over 20 years.  Sorry the republikans cant take credit 
for that one. 

Housing starts are up, stock prices stable, interest rates low, we have 
more abundance than at any other time in the last 20 or more 
years....most people other than the moralists are not going to rock the 
boat and even more are apathetic and simply say 'if it aint broke dont fix 
it.'

Im Native American, I remember very clearly what the Reaganites and the 
Bushites and the Rush Libaugh type repubklikan mouthpeices did for our 
sovereignty. I dont forget these things and I do vote....both in US 
presidental ones and ones pertaining to the Tribal issues.  Dont think we 
can all be railroaded by the media hype and PR programs of either party.

Xina



From info@netcad.com Tue Sep  3 12:46:35 EDT 1996
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Dear AEC Professionals:

We would like to thank all of the individuals who took the time to add
their firms to the list.

Netcad Corporation invites all Architectural, Engineering and 
Construction Professionals to add their business card to our 
directory.
please visit

http://www.netcad.com/aec/


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You could do a "mound" system that is called, officially, and
evapotransporation bed.  Then there is also the reclaimed wetlands design.
 Both work, and are acceptable by many building departments when
percolation is a problem.

Good Luck

Pamm


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From helfrich@universal.dca.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:41 EDT 1996
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Nick Pine (nick@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu) wrote:

[snip]
> ...

> My house has a dirt basement floor, with stone walls, with insulation outside
> of the stone, and it's often quite damp. I've been thinking of adding a vapor
> barrier, but Norman Saunders says the main mechanism for upward heatflow in
> the ground is evaporation of water, with condensation above... This seems
> like a nice inexpensive high-performance heat pump, using equipment that many
> people already own, with a good 55 F heat source even in the dead of winter. 

> Nick

The house we are buying has the same kind of basement. In addition, it 
has a pipe with spring water flowing (we think it was the original house 
water--before the well was added). The water is always cold (even in mid 
summer) and I've been trying to think of some way to use the cold water 
before sending it on it's way out of the basement. I don't know if it's 
drinkable, but I thought of somehow cooling a box (a beer cooler? storage 
for extra veggies or eggs?) with it, then directing it out of the 
basement. It's a shame to waste such nice coldness. Any ideas?

regards,

Lynn


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Carlos Portela (solar3d@teleport.com) writes:

>>   Paul Mahler wrote:
>>   I am looking for alternatives to a traditional septic system. 
>>   I have a piece of land ...that won't pass a percolation test. 
>>   ...any suggestions for alternate sewage disposal systems that
>>   could pass code?

A "conventional" alternative may be to replace the existing soil where the
weeping bed will be with a suitable filter media (graded sand about 900mm
deep) topped with 1.5" washed, crushed stone immediately around the weeping
tiles.
Such weeping beds are constructed in areas where there is little or no soil
cover over exposed bedrock. Your Public Health Dept should have plans and
specs available.
                              *
A less conventional alternative may be a Constructed Wetland. If this is an
option, then you can order (free) :

     "Design Manual: Constructed Wetlands and Aquatic Plant Systems for
                    Municipal Wastewater Treatment"
     EPA/625/1-88/022
     
>from  the US EPA at:

     Center for Environmental Research Information
     Cincinnati OH 45268

If you would like to speak to a homeowner who has constructed and is living
with one of these, send a private e-mail.
                              *

If composting toilets fit within your scheme, then you will also need some
means to manage greywater as well. There is an interesting project (Toronto
Healthy House) which has included amongst other things, various innovative
methods to recycle black and greywater. Discussion and description at:

     http://mha-net.org/msb/html/papers-n/palo01/wastewa.htm 

For info on composting toilets, Nature-Loo has a website at:

     http://www.ozemail.com.au/~natloo

>    ...in China, farmers place high value on the compost and have built
>    compost toilets on the side of the road for passersby to use, [snip]

That was in a kinder, gentler era preceding Mao and Deng. Unfortunately,
for the most part, they, like Western farmers, have succumbed to the lure of
chemical fertilizers. A nitpicking point; the roadside clocae were not
composting toilets, just enclosures with a receptacle to collect the
treasures. Nightsoil had been used for millenia in China as a soil
amendment to produce crops for human consumption. Obviously, it is a
practice that must have some merit. Perhaps the primarily non-meat-based
protein diet had something to do with the tolerable levels or absence of
pathogens.

A more recent practice that may be of interest to Mr. Mahler would be the
use of site-built biogas digesters (big, covered concrete tanks) which
collect the gas (methane) produced by the decomposition of human, animal
and vegetative wastes to power lamps and cookstoves. There are apparently,
millions of them in operation throughout China and the Third World.

--
Rob  Tom
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From mrsv@nutecnet.com.br Tue Sep  3 12:46:45 EDT 1996
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I'M 20 YEAR'S OLD, FAMALE AND I'M STUDYING ARCHITECTURE AT PUC-BRAZIL.
I'M LOOKING FOR NEW FRIENDS WHO'S STYDYING ARCHITECTURE OR WHO'S AN    
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thank you


From p7a77@concentric.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:46 EDT 1996
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A few months ago during a crit, the juror mentioned a firm then went by
the name *something* Co-op.  He mentioned that they tend to have a big
party where they do a bit of drug-induced design and then go back do it
when sober and try to sort it out.

Anyone know the name of this firm?  I gather they're somewhat well-known. 
Anything about them available online?

-- 
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From ian@cross.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:48 EDT 1996
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Visit the Boston Design Center Web Site at

http://www.bostondesign.com

or Email

ian@cross.net  

for more information


From sarahs4151@aol.com Tue Sep  3 12:46:49 EDT 1996
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From: sarahs4151@aol.com (SarahS4151)
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hello
 we would like to build a post and beam home out of our own wood.
i pretty much have the floor plan roughly worked out

how could i find:

someone to do blueprints with my floor plan in post and beam

info on how to cut trees for the timbers

sarah
voice from the wilderness...
   the goats want to be milked

sarah
as far west as the internet gets on the continental u s


From hlmiller@ricochet.net Tue Sep  3 12:46:50 EDT 1996
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since the cost of affordable housing is skyrocketing in the U.S. we 
need to gather a collective of the best and brightest to formulate new 
and cost effective alternatives to current housing design and 
construction.

if NASA can come up with fresh and effective ideas and other agencies 
where people have had a vision and the drive to achieve results then 
the ame can hold true for affordable and modular housing here.

let's hear your ideas.

hank miller
habitat for humanity, marin county, california
hlmiller@ricochet.net


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with the skyrocketing costs of affordable housing construction in the U.S. those of us asssociated with Habitat for Humanity are interested  in a collaboration of the best and brightest to reasearch, design and construct affordable housing for the next century. If NASA and other agencies can arrive at cost effective solutions to major deisgn problems then the housing industry should have no difficulty in brainstroming hi-tech solutions that permit our nation's deserving families from obtaining their own housing.

email me with your address and ideas shuod you have ideas and/or information pertaining to this subjedt. thanks, hank miller email:hlmiller@ricochet.net   brightest
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From picasullivan@mail.loop.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:12 EDT 1996
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hank miller <hlmiller@ricochet.net> wrote:

>since the cost of affordable housing is skyrocketing in the U.S. we 
>need to gather a collective of the best and brightest to formulate new 
>and cost effective alternatives to current housing design and 
>construction.

>if NASA can come up with fresh and effective ideas and other agencies 
>where people have had a vision and the drive to achieve results then 
>the ame can hold true for affordable and modular housing here.

>let's hear your ideas.

>hank miller
>habitat for humanity, marin county, california
>hlmiller@ricochet.net

although I abhor cynics and advertisment in newsgroups as a rule (and
not necessarily in that order), I, unfortunately, will be cynical in
answering your inquiry.

NASA is composed on hundreds (nay, thousands) of highly (extremely
highly) paid engineers and other professionals.  In addition, our
government procures the services of outside consultants to assist NASA
at the cost of billions of dollars.  Additionally, these hired
engineers and professionals and outside engineering and professional
consultants have funds provided by our government that outfit said
group with the best and finest available in the way of laboratory
space, equipment and the means to test (and re-test) theories and
hypothesis.  In fact, some of the testing costs millions and are
spectacular failures (re: many a fabled launch from Vandenberg AFB).

Although HFH is a wonderful organization (relative to the stated goals
and outpouring of good will), asking for ideas for the formulation of
new and cost effective alternatives to current housing design and
construction is a bit myopic at one level and presumptive at the other
extreme.

I think it can be agreed that the erection of simplistic suburban
single family residences (strangely located in urban areas)  by the
community at large (a la barn raising by the Amish) and
paint/patch/repair of existing tenements (I think there is a project
in the Bronx by HFH  - which Jimmy hisself worked on) is akin to
putting a finger in dike (or bandaid on a severed arm).

First, look at developing planned communities (urban or suburban)
which involve hundreds or thousands of units.  Second, re-write the
planning and zoning codes of the local jurisdiction to deal more
effectively with land use (zero lot lines, shared communal spaces,
mixed use construction, etc.).  Then and only then can you begin to
look at different construction techniques and new construction
materials (which may remain untested until you test them).  At that
time, indemnify the manufacturer and architect and contractor so that
the possibility (read: probability) of litigation will not force a
conservative response (or none at all).

A simple request.  A complex set of issues.  And, not to compound my
cynicism, but...how about paying architects and other design
professionals the same (with the same benefits) as those NASA
engineers (developing toilets and hammers for upteen thousands of
dollars).

Just my humble opinion.

Joe



From picasullivan@mail.loop.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:14 EDT 1996
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sarahs4151@aol.com (SarahS4151) wrote:

>hello
> we would like to build a post and beam home out of our own wood.
>i pretty much have the floor plan roughly worked out

>how could i find:

>someone to do blueprints with my floor plan in post and beam

>info on how to cut trees for the timbers

>sarah
>voice from the wilderness...
>   the goats want to be milked

>sarah
>as far west as the internet gets on the continental u s

Dear Sarah,
I don't know how far west you are located but, chances are there is an
architect located not too far from you.  I suggest you let your
fingers do the walking or, ask a few friends (someone you know - knows
an architect).  

Then, tell them what you want.  Show them your wood (it may not have
sufficient structural value), show them your floor plan.  Hire them.

FYI, blueprints are a developed in a diazo process utilizing a paper
which has an emulsifier on one side.  After exposure to light, the
sheet is re-fed through an ammonia gas mixture which turns the
remaining emulsifier a blue color (although I have also seen green and
pink).  These are typically done utilizing diazo machines (aka
blueprinters) and are sometimes done by large graphic reproduction
firms.  Unfortunately, you need a drawing (and design) on a vellum or
mylar sheet first.  This drawing or design is typical accomplished by
a design professional (or engineer).

Joe



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Several of us in Eugene, OR  are interested in forming an ad hoc club this
fall to discuss starting a different
version of Habitat for Humanity that would not require
one to be poor or to have a Christian bent.  It could involve 
strawbale houses which seem to be a housebuilding 
technique that invites work parties.  It could involve
keeping track of credit hours so that one can eventually
get one's house built. 

I am a Realtor and know that MANY people cannot afford
houses - we need some architects to start an Architecture
for the Poor web site and to help with new paradigms. 

There are several owner builder schools in the U.S. - U of Oregon
Architecture Dept. thru the Spectrum newsletter put together a good list
about a year ago.
One is:  Yestermorrow Center  RR 1  Box 97-5, Warren, VT 05674 
802-496-5545 ; fax: 802-296-5540    
A Vermont owner/builder school providing classes in straw bale
construction. http://www.genghis.com/BigPicture/layout.htm
Director Gunnar Hubbard is a UO Arch graduate.

If you have ideas about:
1. low cost passive solar and minimum toxic manufactured housing  and
2. formats for this type co-op
OR would like to help start this group,
pls e-mail me at my other address:   kging@efn.org.  

Typical manufactured homes lack the creative vision
and the solar flair that can create what Bruce Anderson 
has called solar living - the highest quality of life
imaginable. (I understand that the learning curve left
us with a lot of over heated houses, but can't we use the skills that
allowed us to go to Mars and the moon to implement Nick Pine's vision of
solar energy for all energetic souls and not just for those who qualify
for tax credits?)

Kathy Ging, M.A., Realtor with an ORGANIC vision
working for energy, food, economic and shelter self-reliance in Eugene,
OR.  Secretary, NW Eco-Building Guild, Eugene chapter  kging@efn.org 
(or occasionally:  KathyGing@aol.com).


From weizli@po-box.mcgill.ca Sat Sep 14 13:38:17 EDT 1996
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From: William Eizlini <Weizli@PO-Box.McGill.CA>
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Wandering around in Stockholm this summer, which is an architectural dream. The building are more or less 18-19th
centruy with a curious plaster/sandy ciment outer layer colored earthy yellow and reddish tones. beautiful and very
very very harmonious. Which insipred the thought of using this more ancient archetectural format coupled with a sort
of internal ecodesign: passive/active solar? waste shoots and compost/hot water... total harmony in one building

any thoughts?


From tony@cqi.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:18 EDT 1996
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From: "Anthony M. Ippolito" <tony@cqi.com>
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Subject: Rental inspections in Virginia
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Dear Friend,

I have 40 years experience in the construction trades and I offer free
advice via e-mail and Drafting at a very low cost because I work from my
home .

I do rental inspections, kow what you are renting 

I also do construction consulting. If you want some help and need to
work within your budget then e-mail me at: tony@cqi.com

I will show you how I can save you thousands on new construction.
Also check out my home page at http://cqi.com/~tony, it is going to be
revised very soon with more important information that will help you.

Thank you

Tony


From JMTN47A@prodigy.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:19 EDT 1996
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From: JMTN47A@prodigy.com (Dean Smeaton)
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I'm looking for a source of Ionic or similar capitals for a home 
renovation project in Pasadena, California. 

A source in Southern California would be ideal, but we're willing to 
follow any leads someone might offer. 

Please e-mail me directly or reply here.

Many thanks in advance! 




From baranick@epix.net Sat Sep 14 13:38:20 EDT 1996
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From: baranick@epix.net (R.J. Baranick)
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I'm not sure if this is the right forum for my question.
I'm looking for "low income" house plans.
That is; plans for a modest house/shelter 
that can be assembled by relatively unskilled labor
with minimum materials.
I'm not talking about a "shack"... but not a 3br suburban "rancher"
either. Is there a book/study/company  where I could get such plans?
B.




From Brinstar@wink.gov Sat Sep 14 13:38:22 EDT 1996
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From: Brinstar@wink.gov
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This family has been struggling to care for their little premature
baby. If you would like to help them with food or a get-well card,
this page
has the address:

Http://www.angelfire.com/pages0/charity/index.html

They do not ask for money, but I sent them $20 anyway.
I'm also posting this message where I can.

Spaten




From builder@deltanet.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:23 EDT 1996
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From: builder@deltanet.com (Boris Veksler)
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In article <32285341.BCD@ix.netcom.com>, arkhitek <Arkhitek@ix.netcom.com> says:
>
>> In article <Pine.OSF.3.92a.960820170341.4012B-100000@saul5.u.washington.edu>,
>> hungbui@u.washington.edu says...
>> >
>> >Any information that will help me to find a manufacturer of the followings
>> >would be very welcome:
>> >
>> >(1) A production line to manufacture bricks
>
>This company can make you any kind or shape of brick imaginable.  From cubes to sculptured bas relief.
>They also sponsor design competitions for students, if any schools don't already know.
>
>ACME BRICK COMPANY
>PO BOX 425
>FT WORTH, TEXAS 76101

Try BuilderNet Catalogs at http://www.buildernet.com - 
they several companies listed there.  
You can also send RFI directly to the manufacturer from their pages

Good luck :)


From robina@pacific.net.sg Sat Sep 14 13:38:24 EDT 1996
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On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 11:18:50 -0500, arkhitek <Arkhitek@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>Annette Seesink wrote:
>> 
>> Why is it that the Democrats who tell us how great Clinton is have the
>> writing ability of eight year-olds?  I'm actually offending the 2nd and
>> 3rd graders out there (sorry, kids).  I'm not even going into all the
>> reasons we shouldn't be reelecting Clinton because that should be saved
>> for a political newsgroup, but please people--if you're going to post, and
>> you want others to take your opinion seriously, give yourself credit
>> enough to write well.
>> 
>> --
>> Annette Seesink
>> ams194@psu.edu
>
>
>What the hell does this have to do with architecture?
And what the hell does it have to do with 'alt.archimedes.bugs'??? Can
people PLEASE take this group out of their followups please.

Robin

-- 
Robin Abecasis - Acorns in Singapore... (Renegade Offline)


From sexxy@tripod.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:25 EDT 1996
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From bac@the-bac.edu Sat Sep 14 13:38:26 EDT 1996
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From: bac@the-bac.edu (The Boston Architectural Center)
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Subject: Ann: Rendering w/Fractal Design Painter course @ Boston Architectural Center
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Fractal Design Painter course in Boston

Still time to register! But hurry!

See extensive course description, information at:

http://www.the-bac.edu



The Boston Architectural Center
360 Newbury Street
Boston, MA 02115
(617) 536-3170



From graham@mancha.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 14 13:38:28 EDT 1996
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From: graham@mancha.demon.co.uk (Graham Mancha)
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Subject: Kwok Hoi Chan/Sieges Steiner, Paris information needed
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Does anyone have any information on the designer Kwok Hoi Chan who
designed for Sieges Steiner, Paris?  I'm particularly interested in
finding information/references to a chair design called 'Limande'.
This design has a tubular steel frame and upholstered back & seat
elements. 

  please email me; graham@mancha.demon.co.uk
graham@mancha.demon.co.uk



From m.killarney@worldnet.att.net Sat Sep 14 13:38:29 EDT 1996
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From: "Michael Killarney" <m.killarney@worldnet.att.net>
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Subject: Dome Houses
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About 20 years ago my wife and I took a one week geodesic dome house
building seminar.  At the time, due to tight finances, we were forced to
buy a conventional home in suburbia.  Times have changed and we are again
looking at alternative housing.  Seems like most of the dome hype has
subsided.  Anybody know where we can pick up some current literature? 
Thanks.

Mike Killarney


From mchg@citrine.cyberstation.net Sat Sep 14 13:38:30 EDT 1996
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From: mchg@citrine.cyberstation.net (Donald Chan)
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McGill University School of Architecture's Minimum  Cost Housing Group
will hold realtime online seminar Tues.Sept.10, 10 am EDT.(Montreal) 
at Diversity University MOO. (telnet moo.du.org 8888  to reach this mud) 
(or via web browser http://www.du.org:8888  Muds are real time text based 
conferencing systems, and DU MOO is also a web server). Discussion Topic:
Urban Upgrading Shifang China is part of MCHG's Housing a Billion series.

@go #9922 to reach the Seminar room (called Hyde Park)
This event is part of the Internet 1996 World Fair Canadian Pavillion
http://www.wf.carleton.ca under Knowledge and Home Front
or under events. Mirror site at http://www.cyberstation.net/hf 

Please email mchg@cyberstation.net  if you have any problems and to
register for future event notification.


From jfeiman@abq.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:31 EDT 1996
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 22:34:12 -0600
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Suggest you look for local artisans familiar with the vernacular rural
architecture I am guessing you seek.  Local sawmill / sawyer, local barm
barn builders and recyclers, carpenters.  The sawyer or lumber cutters
could be a good source of information on what you can get out of your
trees - architects are less likely to really know.  Also there is the
issue of seasoning your timbers vs building green.  Ask around about the
post & beam builders in your area.  Good luck - it's a big project, and
one to not cut corners on - the building could last hundreds of years if
done carefully.



From tony@cqi.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:32 EDT 1996
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To: Carl Windnagle <windnagle@ricks.enet.dec.com>

Carl Windnagle wrote:
> 
> How do you keep a basement dry?  I'm currently spending
> large sums of money to run a 50pint dehumidifier 24 hours
> a day.
> 
> There's probably not much I can do with my current basement,
> but I'd like to know what could be done with a new basement.
> 
> I should mention that I'm assuming it has good drainage
> so there's not a problem with standing water.
> 
> It would seem like a concrete basement should be painted
> or sealed by some other method to keep water from coming
> through.
> 
> Even after you do that though I think you would still have
> a damp basement in the summer because of humid air from
> outside leaking into the basement and causing condensation
> on the cool walls.
> 
> How do you solve this problem?  It seems like it would
> be an even bigger problem for an earth sheltered house.
> 
> I've seen the Enertia web page.  That seems like it's effective,
> but an incredibly expensive solution.
> 
> /carl
I think that your basement walls need to be sealed
Dear Friend,

I have 40 years experience in the construction trades and I offer free
advice via e-mail and Drafting at a very low cost because I work from my
home .

I also do construction consulting. If you want some help and need to
work within your budget then e-mail me at: tony@cqi.com

I will show you how I can save you thousands on new construction.
Also check out my home page at http://cqi.com/~tony, it is going to be
revised very soon with more important information that will help you.

Thank you

Tony


From judy45@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:33 EDT 1996
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Lynn,

> 
> The house we are buying has the same kind of basement. In addition, it
> has a pipe with spring water flowing (we think it was the original house
> water--before the well was added). The water is always cold (even in mid
> summer) and I've been trying to think of some way to use the cold water
> before sending it on it's way out of the basement. I don't know if it's
> drinkable, but I thought of somehow cooling a box (a beer cooler? storage
> for extra veggies or eggs?) with it, then directing it out of the
> basement. It's a shame to waste such nice coldness. Any ideas?
> 

I don't know about ways to use it as 'cold' water, but my aunt and uncle 
have two spigots for their kitchen sink.  One delivers well water, which they 
prefer to drink, and the second delivers city water so that they don't have 
the mineral problems in their pipes.  They also have a storage tank that 
collects rain water, and that is hooked up to their washing machine.  My 
aunt says that you don't need fabric softener.  Do have the spring water 
checked.... that can open up many possibilities.

Judy


From jgm@holli.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:35 EDT 1996
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In article 
<Pine.GSO.3.93.960826012154.25458A-100000@conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu>
, priz@acsu.buffalo.edu says...
>
>On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Eddy Jang wrote:
>
>> Which program do you recommend?
>> 
>> 
>
>As a point of reference, I have never seen a better virus-protection
>program than F-prot.
>
>It's free for home users and available via site license for 
businesses.
>
>Simply awesome!
> 
>Commander Bob O * O
>
Where is this free program located?
Please resond to jgm@holli.com



From nimud@lvnexus.net Sat Sep 14 13:38:36 EDT 1996
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From: nimud@lvnexus.net (Harris Lowenhaupt)
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>On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:04:21 -0800, hank miller
><hlmiller@ricochet.net> wrote:
>
>>since the cost of affordable housing is skyrocketing in the U.S. we 
>>need to gather a collective of the best and brightest to formulate new 
>>and cost effective alternatives to current housing design and 
>>construction.
>
>>let's hear your ideas.
>
An old, affordable housing technology which became costly may now be
affordable again.  See:

<http://www.lvnexus.net/nimud>

Regards,

-- 
Harris Lowenhaupt
Cast Earth
Nickel Laterites
<http://www.lvnexus.net/nimud>


From jfeiman@abq.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:37 EDT 1996
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This is also not the least expensive way to build it, but it works
reliably.  Excellent article in Architecture, December 1988, p.135-7
by Brent Anderson, author of Underground Waterproofing (Stillwater,
Minn.:  WEBCO Publishing Co., 1983)
Direct roof runoff away from house (gutters, downspouts, leaders)
Grade yard to drain away from house on all sides.
New construction:  vapor barrier under slab, waterproofing sheet
membrane - polystyrene insulation board - expanded drainage sheeting
(Enkadrain) - filter fabric - gravel backfill on outside.  Good luck.



From hubbd@ruby.ils.unc.edu Sat Sep 14 13:38:39 EDT 1996
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Does anybody know where I can get info on home building with hay bails?


From windnagle@ricks.enet.dec.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:40 EDT 1996
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From: windnagle@ricks.enet.dec.com (Carl Windnagle)
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How do you keep a basement dry?  I'm currently spending
large sums of money to run a 50pint dehumidifier 24 hours
a day.

There's probably not much I can do with my current basement,
but I'd like to know what could be done with a new basement.

I should mention that I'm assuming it has good drainage
so there's not a problem with standing water.

It would seem like a concrete basement should be painted 
or sealed by some other method to keep water from coming
through.

Even after you do that though I think you would still have 
a damp basement in the summer because of humid air from
outside leaking into the basement and causing condensation
on the cool walls.

How do you solve this problem?  It seems like it would
be an even bigger problem for an earth sheltered house.

I've seen the Enertia web page.  That seems like it's effective,
but an incredibly expensive solution.

/carl


From dhadley@fairfield.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:41 EDT 1996
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From dhadley@fairfield.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:42 EDT 1996
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Our Web page address is: http://www.bestofiowa.com/pc/pcenterprises.html

Thanks!

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From marmagal@netvision.net.il Sat Sep 14 13:38:43 EDT 1996
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From: marmagal@netvision.net.il (Martin)
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I guess they were talking about Coop Himmelblau (thats blue sky
cooperative). They are a couple of Viennese architects called Wolf
Prix (he's the one that gets inteviewed all the time) and Helmut
Swiczinsky. 
I personally haven't heard of them in the last couple of years, so I
don't know what they are doing now, but they did jobs in Vienna,
Japan, Germany and competitions all over.
There's even a (quite) well known project in Malibu, called "open
house", which I don't know if ever got built. The preliminary sketch
for this house's design was done with closed eyes, so as to "truly"
convey the feelings of the place. The design process is the issue
here, and in all their projects. 

They (especially Prix) love making controversial statements. They even
wrote a Manifesto back in '84. But thats gossip. <g>

Usually their work is regarded as deconstruction, thou I'm not sure if
that is what they'd like to be called. There are many similarities to
deconstructionist work or theory, and they share similar ideas about
classicism as, say, Eisenman. Or even Derrida himself.

I could quote some of their _many_ statements here, but just couldn't
decide on which one would do them the most justice ;-), so I wont !
But I do strongly recommend getting acquainted with their work, both
the architecture and the ideas behind them. I loved most of their
projects (from photos!) of the single building scale, but didn't care
much about their large scale, urban projects. Corbusier comes to mind
in this aspect.

I don't know of any information online, but there are many books and
magazines which dealt with them. I you can get a hand on a+u of July
1986, they ran a very comprehensive article (100+ pages) on them ("CH
1968-89").

The part about the party and the drugs is undocumented information :-)
afaik! Nice to learn new things, thou.


p7a77@concentric.net (Jason Alan Pfaff) wrote:

>A few months ago during a crit, the juror mentioned a firm then went by
>the name *something* Co-op.  He mentioned that they tend to have a big
>party where they do a bit of drug-induced design and then go back do it
>when sober and try to sort it out.

>Anyone know the name of this firm?  I gather they're somewhat well-known. 
>Anything about them available online?

>-- 
>J.A.Pfaff / 3737 Wheatlands / Sylvania OH 43560-3550 / p7a77@cris.com
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
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--
Martin Magal



From amandajs@notam.uio.no Sat Sep 14 13:38:45 EDT 1996
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Hi! anyone got any thoughts /info. /resource links/ on connection between
architecture/town planning/urban culture and the renaisance of androginous
dress codes?


From chris@orcalink.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:46 EDT 1996
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From: chris@orcalink.com (Christopher Kirk)
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On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:04:21 -0800, hank miller
<hlmiller@ricochet.net> wrote:

>since the cost of affordable housing is skyrocketing in the U.S. we 
>need to gather a collective of the best and brightest to formulate new 
>and cost effective alternatives to current housing design and 
>construction.

>let's hear your ideas.

I'm very impressed that HFH is starting to look into this. David South
of Monolithic Constructors (thin-shell concrete domes) once told me
that HFH wasn't interested in their designs because they were
unconventional... 

Monolithic has a design that allows reuse of the inflation envelope,
dramatically lowering the cost of individual structures. There's a guy
in Oregon who does concrete domes with straw bale insulation - combine
these two ideas and you have a system that is inexpensive,
indestructible, energy-efficient, fast and easy to build, relatively
maintenance-free and suitable for work parties. With proper design
they can look reasonably attractive. What more could HFH ask for?

Contact Monolithic through:
http://www.monolithicdome.com/

Darryl Parker maintains an excellent page of concrete-dome related
links at:
http://www.texhoma.net/~goldnoil/domepage.html

Here's a similar concept; I'm not advocating this at this point, but I
think it's worth discussing:
http://mailhub.icx.net/~richarda/ulc.html

If Habitat groups start building structures like these here and abroad
instead of the stick monstrosities they build now, I'll seriously
consider joining.

Good luck,
Christopher Kirk
Olympia, WA





From wetherow@qb.island.net Sat Sep 14 13:38:47 EDT 1996
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The city of the future will be _inclusive_, will identify and mobilize the
gifts and capacities of each of its members.  One architectural implication
is universal accessability -- a fundamental commitment to wheelchair
access, accessability by persons with vision impairments, etc.

Dave Wetherow & Faye Buchanan
The Community Institute


From victor@usemail.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:49 EDT 1996
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From gweaver@sprynet.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:50 EDT 1996
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> The house we are buying has the same kind of basement. In addition, it
> has a pipe with spring water flowing (we think it was the original house
> water--before the well was added). The water is always cold (even in mid
> summer) and I've been trying to think of some way to use the cold water
> before sending it on it's way out of the basement. I don't know if it's
> drinkable, but I thought of somehow cooling a box (a beer cooler? storage
> for extra veggies or eggs?) with it, then directing it out of the
> basement. It's a shame to waste such nice coldness. Any ideas?

I don't know the quantity of flow you have, obviously not much since the
house requires a well, but look at water-sourced heat pumps.  You
probably need a small unit.  You may be able to get as much as 1 ton of
heating/cooling without the need for an expensive ground loop, expense
of submersible pump, or even the nominal cost of a circulating pump. 
Water quality is the concern for this type of open loop.

You may be able to supplement the spring with a nominal flow from the
well to achieve 100% heating/cooling for the house!


From Landsknekt@io-online.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:51 EDT 1996
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Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
Thanks...
						Eric


From JamesES@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:52 EDT 1996
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If you are Interested E-Mail Me At JamesES@ix.netcom.com



From sworley@powergrid.electriciti.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:54 EDT 1996
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From: Jerry Perrella <sworley@electriciti.com>
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Try Draftette - 
The portable drafting system that goes ... anywhere!

This is a convenient portable sytem with a black anodized arm mounted in
a fold-up vinyl binder. The 360 deg. protractor is marked in 5 deg.
increments. Interchangeable aluminum scales for the arm are available
graduated in 1/16", 1/8", 1/4", 1" scales; engineers 10/50; and metric.

Isometric Y angles are available for the medium and large models.

Three sizes to fit every need are available:

Small 	- 8 1/2" x 11" paper size
Medium 	- 8 1/2" x 14" paper size
Large 	- 12" x 18" paper size

Left-handed models are available too!

To see more: check out our web site at
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or email me at sworley@powergrid.electriciti.com


From mario@builders411.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:55 EDT 1996
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From: mario@builders411.com (Mario Salvi)
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Dear Industry Professional,
 The Builders411 website  (www. builders411.com) is a complete web
resource center catering exclusively to the building and construction
industry. The Builders411 website includes a reference library, direct
link access to  government agencies, a marketplace for companies to
advertise their products and services, feature articles, news, events,
Free Company listing, Employment listing, Equipment listing areas and
more.
We openly welcome you to visit our site and list your company in any
of the free listing areas of the Builders411 website. The listing
includes your company  name, complete address, phone and fax numbers,
contact name, e-mail address and your choice of category and sub
category listings.

Best Regards,
  Mario A. Salvi




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From: here (Him)
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Subject: Re: /\     THE CITY OF THE FUTURE:  Anyone have any architectural visio
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In article <01bb9acc$fa9204e0$452aefcc@tci-wetherow>, 
wetherow@qb.island.net says...
>
>The city of the future will be _inclusive_, will identify and mobilize 
the
>gifts and capacities of each of its members.  One architectural 
implication
>is universal accessability -- a fundamental commitment to wheelchair
>access, accessability by persons with vision impairments, etc.
>
>Dave Wetherow & Faye Buchanan
>The Community Institute


come on a futute world will have cured such things...



From fool@moo.syr.edu Sat Sep 14 13:38:57 EDT 1996
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From: Kipp the Kidd <fool@moo.syr.edu>
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Greetings Animators, Drawers and Role-Players.

I am programming a new type of role-playing game, similar to a MUD
(Multiple User Domain).  Although I am experienced with managing MUDs, I
often need to get advice about role-playing from other places.  The game
will also optionally offer graphics for the objects a player might see. 
I am looking for people who are capable of creating graphics (preferably
3d) for a pre-designed castle.  If you do not have time to render, I can
render (and create) 3d Studio-compatable files.

The goal of the players of this game is to survive by getting a job good
enough to pay for food and shelter.  The domain will mostly be social. 
A bit of action for thieves, detectives, guards and assassins will be
available for those who like hack & slash.

Anyone interested in the project, who has some role-playing advice,
suggestions or ideas, or who can create some (even one) graphical
pictures, please don't hesitate to email me at fool@moo.syr.edu.

I am also interested in other forms of multimedia, such as midi music
and avi videos.

No money will be earned or spent in this project, and once it is in a
useable stage, it will remain open to the public.

ANYONE WHO CAN DRAW ANIME-STYLE WILL BE KING!

- Kipp
PS. Sorry for the incredibly massive cross-posting.


From jfeiman@abq.com Sat Sep 14 13:38:58 EDT 1996
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 20:28:10 -0600
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CH>On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:04:21 -0800, hank miller
CH><hlmiller@ricochet.net> wrote:

CH>>since the cost of affordable housing is skyrocketing in the U.S. we 
CH>>need to gather a collective of the best and brightest to formulate new 
CH>>and cost effective alternatives to current housing design and 
CH>>construction.

CH>>let's hear your ideas.

CH>I'm very impressed that HFH is starting to look into this. David South
CH>of Monolithic Constructors (thin-shell concrete domes) once told me
CH>that HFH wasn't interested in their designs because they were
CH>unconventional... 

CH>Monolithic has a design that allows reuse of the inflation envelope,
CH>dramatically lowering the cost of individual structures. There's a guy
CH>in Oregon who does concrete domes with straw bale insulation - combine
CH>these two ideas and you have a system that is inexpensive,
CH>indestructible, energy-efficient, fast and easy to build, relatively
CH>maintenance-free and suitable for work parties. With proper design
CH>they can look reasonably attractive. What more could HFH ask for?

CH>Contact Monolithic through:
CH>http://www.monolithicdome.com/

CH>Darryl Parker maintains an excellent page of concrete-dome related
CH>links at:
CH>http://www.texhoma.net/~goldnoil/domepage.html

CH>Here's a similar concept; I'm not advocating this at this point, but I
CH>think it's worth discussing:
CH>http://mailhub.icx.net/~richarda/ulc.html

CH>If Habitat groups start building structures like these here and abroad
CH>instead of the stick monstrosities they build now, I'll seriously
CH>consider joining.

CH>Good luck,
CH>Christopher Kirk
CH>Olympia, WA




OK, you have a basic paying job in an average low income urban
neighborhood.  You are new to the neighborhood.  Everyone knows you are
trying to make it, starting off in a HFH-built home. Would you really
want to put your very hard earned sweat equity and personal income into
a really weird looking house that has very low appraisal value due to
the complete lack of marketability?  Sorry, but conventional
construction is less expensive, easily modified, and comfortably
conforming for families trying to get a foothold in a difficult
capitalist society which is the everyday reality of their and most
people's lives.  A concrete dome covered with straw bales ain't gonna
make it on south 2nd street, USA.  Sure it's ok in backwoods county
(I've lived there too...), but there aren't as many economic
opportunities for the HFH clientele there.  HFH emphasizes REAL and
POSSIBLE goals within the timeframe of average working families.
Sorry, I don't see that squatter architecture is appropriate for the
American urban reality.  I admire the resourcefulness and community
orientation of "people-built" alternatives, but it's not going to work
in the US as a significant source of homes.



From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Sat Sep 14 13:38:59 EDT 1996
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From: nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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But does it want them? 

Nick



From djsouth@monolithicdome.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:01 EDT 1996
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From: djsouth@monolithicdome.com (David South, Jr.)
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In article <01bb9a84$d86b6ca0$2125eea5@worldnet.worldnet.att.net>, "Michael Killarney" <m.killarney@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>About 20 years ago my wife and I took a one week geodesic dome house
>building seminar.  At the time, due to tight finances, we were forced to
>buy a conventional home in suburbia.  Times have changed and we are again
>looking at alternative housing.  Seems like most of the dome hype has
>subsided.  Anybody know where we can pick up some current literature? 
>Thanks.
>
>Mike Killarney

There are several good sites on the Internet for dome information.

The Monolithic Dome(tm)
        http://www.monolithicdome.com/

Dome Technology
        http://www.dometech.com/

Builders/Manufacturers of Geodesic Dome Homes and Structures
        http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/manufacturers.html

DOME MANUFACTURERS
        http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/domeman.html

Thin Shell Concrete Domes
        http://www.texhoma.net/~goldnoil/domepage.html

Synergetics on the Web
        http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html

This is just a few sites I have bookmarked on my PC. You can also use the 
search engines like Lycos, Yahoo, etc. to search for domes, geodesic domes, 
dome homes, etc.

David South, Jr.
http://www.monolithicdome.com/


From rwbake19@webserve.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:02 EDT 1996
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From: rwbake19@webserve.net
Subject: requesting information - Alternative Energy Equipment sources
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I am requesting information from any individual with knowledge of
Alternative Energy Equipment sources - items include, solar
panels(electrical & hot water/heating), geothermal equipment,
windmills (power & water), water wheels, solar collection equipment,
methane digestors, hydraulic rams, electrical generators (DC & AC),
wood stoves, etc. and any sources of auxiliary equipment.

The country of origin is of no importance as we are trying to collect
information from as broad a spectrum as possible and feel that many
countries, not as blessed as we are with natural energy resources have
made great strides in the field of alternative energy generation.

Please provide by direct email if possible, email address, URL,
mailing address or contact and phone number or any information that
can be used to track down these companies.

Manufacturers & Exclusive Importers / Exporters please send
information, catalogs, pricing, etc. to

Alternative Technologies
316 Epperstone Ct.
Matthews, North Carolina     28105
USA
attn: R W Baker
fax - 704.847.6624
email - rwbake19@webserve.net

I wish to thank all that respond or pass this along to others.  I will
try to reply to each response as I have made many friends around the
world in this fashion.  I also wish to apologize to those that feel
that I have invaded a private group.  Suggestions as to the most
appropriate groups for this purpose will be most appreciated and not
be taken lightly.

Sincerely,
Richard W. Baker






From mmack@ucla.edu Sat Sep 14 13:39:03 EDT 1996
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From: mmack@ucla.edu (Mark Mack)
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Subject: fs:full ver. microstation V5 for sale
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Hello,

I need money fast.

I own a full version of MICROSTATION version 5 for the power mac & version 4.2.
It has a serial # to check out it is under my name but bently will change
over to the new owner with a note from me that I sold it to You.
A new package cost $2,700. 

I will sell Version 5 and 4.2 together with inside microstation book and
lots of demo disks for

$1,200 or maybe a a lower price if it is Now!

John

310.822.0094
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From chris@orcalink.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:05 EDT 1996
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>CH>Monolithic has a design that allows reuse of the inflation envelope,
>CH>dramatically lowering the cost of individual structures. There's a guy
>CH>in Oregon who does concrete domes with straw bale insulation - combine
>CH>these two ideas and you have a system that is inexpensive,
>CH>indestructible, energy-efficient, fast and easy to build, relatively
>CH>maintenance-free and suitable for work parties. With proper design
>CH>they can look reasonably attractive. What more could HFH ask for?

>OK, you have a basic paying job in an average low income urban
>neighborhood.  You are new to the neighborhood.  Everyone knows you are
>trying to make it, starting off in a HFH-built home. Would you really
>want to put your very hard earned sweat equity and personal income into
>a really weird looking house that has very low appraisal value due to
>the complete lack of marketability?  Sorry, but conventional
>construction is less expensive, easily modified, and comfortably
>conforming for families trying to get a foothold in a difficult
>capitalist society which is the everyday reality of their and most
>people's lives.  A concrete dome covered with straw bales ain't gonna
>make it on south 2nd street, USA.  Sure it's ok in backwoods county
>(I've lived there too...), but there aren't as many economic
>opportunities for the HFH clientele there.  HFH emphasizes REAL and
>POSSIBLE goals within the timeframe of average working families.
>Sorry, I don't see that squatter architecture is appropriate for the
>American urban reality.  I admire the resourcefulness and community
>orientation of "people-built" alternatives, but it's not going to work
>in the US as a significant source of homes.

I agree - at this time, concrete domes wouldn't be particularly
acceptable on 2nd street, USA. Realistically, I had in mind more
overseas applications, where perhaps people are less fashion-conscious
and more interested in having a decent home than what the Jones' next
door are going to think.

What I believe is important is that HFH, along with the rest of us,
prepare for a possible future where wood is more expensive and the
weather more severe. We should be investigating and developing these
alternatives now, before we really need to.

Besides, architecture is fashion. I wouldn't pay a dollar for your
average American suburban split-level; to me, they're hideously ugly,
wasteful, toxic, confining, shoddy wastes of resources. Remember when
the redesigned Ford Taurus came out in the mid-80s? I grew up outside
of Flint, Michigan, the heartland of automotive country, and I
remember that most people were appalled by that Taurus at first. They
hated it. They thought it was hideous. Now all new cars look like
it... let's face it, Americans will accept what they're told to
accept. If the "Friends" moved into a nice concrete dome, everybody
would want one. So will the dome play in Peoria? Not now, but it
easily could.

If I was trying to get a foothold in a difficult capitalist society,
and somebody told me that I could have a home that will not burn, will
not blow over, will not fall down in an earthquake, will only cost
half as much to heat and cool, and it costs less than a conventional
house, I'd be thrilled - and I wouldn't much care if other people
thought it was weird.

But that's me... I guess I'm just some kind of oddball, anyway.

Christopher Kirk
Olympia, WA


From pdog@case.grnet.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:06 EDT 1996
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Call for Design Proposals

The Urban Institute for Contemporary Arts (UICA) solicits proposals for
the programming and design of the interior of a new Contemporary Arts
Center located at 41 Sheldon Boulevard in Grand Rapids, Michigan.  The
project involves primarily 14,208 square feet of usable space on the
ground floor of an industrial building originally constructed in 1911. 
Facility programming will begin in November 1996, and the design study
must be completed by early March 1997.  UICA plans to move into this
building in the fall of 1997.

UICA

The Urban Institute for Contemporary Arts is the largest multidisciplinary
arts center in Michigan.  Its mission is "to foster cultural dialogue and
creative experience through innovative and diverse events and services."
Since purchasing 41 Sheldon Boulevard in September 1994, we have engaged
in extensive planning for our future home, and we have launched a $1.5
million capital campaign to support renovation work and related expenses.
Additional information about the organization and our plans may be found
in the following: * Case for Support * The Sheldon Scenarios * The Master
Plan (the Sheldon Scenarios and the Master Plan are available
electronically at
http:\\www2.gvsu.edu\~wittenbp\scenario\sheldon.intro.html) * "You and I
See Art" (video) * This Call for proposals is available at
http:\\www2.gvsu.edu\~wittenbp\scenario\shel.rfp.html

41 SHELDON BOULEVARD

Constructed in 1911 as the city's first Ford dealership, the building
reflects radically modern architectural ideas developed by Albert Kahn for
the Ford Motor Company in Detroit.  The building has two floors, each
containing 14,208 square feet of usable space, and each of them divided
into a main building (11,648 square feet on each floor, excluding a
448-square-foot entrance ramp) and a west wing (2560 square feet).  The
project focuses primarily on the main building and west wing of the ground
floor, although attention will be paid to how design decisions interface
with the structure and further development of the basement.

The architectural statement of the building was bold in 1911, and the
integrity of its design is a major reason why it will be an ideal space
for a Contemporary Arts Center.  The ground floor contains one of the few
large clear-span spaces left in the central city, thanks to riveted steel
trusses and a reinforced concrete structure.  Sawtooth skylights bring in
natural, north light, and the large plate glass windows that once lined
the perimeter will be restored to bring the outside in and the inside out.
Even the terrazzo floor, marble chips in a matrix of cement, was an
innovative use of new materials.  Renovation of the interior will preserve
the soaring open span of the structure's 22-foot ceilings, while providing
attractive working spaces for artists and staff as well as flexible
performance and exhibition areas.

The building is located at the corner of Sheldon Boulevard and Weston
Street in the Heartside District of downtown Grand Rapids.  Situated
between the Ladies Literary Club to the south and the YWCA Center for
Women to the north, it will be a southern anchor to an expanding six-block
cultural corridor that also includes a new Children's Museum, the St.
Cecilia Music Society, the Civic Theater, the YMCA, the main branch of the
Grand Rapids Public Library, Kendall College of Art and Design, and the
Grand Rapids Art Museum.  The building's location gives UICA a unique
opportunity to increase its collaborations with diverse cultural and
social organizations, rehabilitate an architecturally and historically
significant building, and contribute to the inner city's economic
revitalization in ways that empower local residents and do not come at
their expense.

Additional information about the history, location, and current condition
of 41 Sheldon, including photographs and existing floor plans and
elevations, may be found in the following documents: * 41 Sheldon Blvd.
SE: A History of the Building . . . * Building Survey of Existing
Structure at: 41 Sheldon S.E., Grand Rapids, Michigan * Eastern Cultural
Corridor Organizations

CONTEMPORARY ARTS CENTER

Working with M.C. Smith Associates and Architectural Group, Inc., and with
Constructors, Inc., both of Grand Rapids, UICA has already begun
renovation work on what the Master Plan describes as the Site, Skin,
Structure, and Systems of 41 Sheldon Boulevard.  We now seek
facility-programming and design services for what the Master Plan
describes as the Spaces and Stuff--the interior--of the ground floor, with
appropriate attention to how this affects the future development of the
basement.  Our challenge is to turn a modern industrial structure into an
attractive destination for everyone in West Michigan who seeks alternative
forms of artistic expression and who wishes to participate in a lively
cultural community. As we envision it, UICA's Contemporary Arts Center
will be a hub of innovation, creation, and collaboration for artists in
many disciplines and for participants from all segments of the public.  It
will provide a supportive environment for professional artists to work and
share their lives; be a community center where people from all walks of
life can learn about the arts and can try their own hand at cultural
creation; offer an intimate performance space where engaging music, film,
poetry, and dance can be enjoyed and discussed by a variety of audiences;
contain a state-of-the-art information center where students, educators,
and local artists can use the latest in computer technology and print
resources to pursue their cultural research; include inviting gallery
spaces for lively displays of visual art by local, regional, and national
figures; and be a friendly gathering place for UICA's staff, volunteers,
and community members.

 The Master Plan establishes several parameters for the interior's design:
* A "buildings within the building" approach will allow for incremental
development. * Flexibility in use and easy assembly and disassembly of
furnishings will be priorities. * The design should provide significant
ways for UICA to generate increased revenues. * The core functions (lobby,
offices, meeting rooms, studios) should emanate from the northeast corner,
and dedicated construction should be clustered here and in the west wing.
* The eventual users of the space should have a significant voice in the
design process, and artists should participate on the design and
construction teams. * The design should express the history of the
building and of UICA.

Numerous meetings involving Board members, artists, volunteers, and other
UICA members have generated the following list of spaces to be included in
this project.  In general, Administration spaces and Service spaces have
top priority.  Providing acoustical and visual privacy for the
Multipurpose Theater will be one of the most intriguing puzzles for a
designer to solve.

Administration (approximately 2,500 sq. ft.) * 3-4 Staff Offices and
Volunteer Room * Multipurpose Board Room/Meeting Room * Entrance Lobby and
Reception Area * Storage and equipment spaces

Service (approximately 6,500 sq. ft.) * 2 Artist-in-Residence Studios *
8-12 Artists Rental Studios and Education Rooms * Education Center (with
several computer stations + slide and print library) * Rest Rooms *
Kitchen * Plaza/Lounge * Elevator

Exhibition (approximately 2,500 sq. ft.) * Main Gallery/Salon (for both
exhibitions and readings and other small events) * Community Gallery *
Installation Gallery * Exhibition Preparation Room

Performance (approximately 2,500 sq. ft.) * Multipurpose Theater(s) (for
film, music, dance, and other performances) * Technical Booth *
Performers' "Green" RoomPROCESS

The successful candidate will be hired by UICA's Board of Directors and
will work closely with UICA's Executive Director Marjorie Kuipers, our
Architect of Record Don Smalligan of M.C. Smith Associates, and a Sheldon
Design Team chaired by artists Dana Freeman and Joyce Recker.  The Sheldon
Design Team will be responsible for soliciting ideas and responses from
UICA's various stakeholders, including staff and volunteers, studio
artists, programming committees, and representatives of the UICA
membership and the general public.  The Design Team reports to the
Executive Committee, which is chaired by Board President Lambert
Zuidervaart.  All final recommendations about the facility program and the
design study will be made by the Executive Committee and decided by UICA's
Board of Directors.  Ideally the person(s) hired will meet regularly with
the Executive Director and the Sheldon Design Team as well as attend
several monthly meetings of both the Executive Committee and the Board of
Directors.  More information about the Sheldon Design Team and the design
process is contained in the following documents: * Sheldon Team Mandates *
Schedule for Sheldon Facility Design Process (Interior Spaces)

QUALIFICATIONS

We seek a person or firm that can offer the following: * established
record of creative adaptation of industrial or commercial buildings *
experience in designing multipurpose spaces and mixed-use cultural
facilities * ability to find exciting and relatively inexpensive solutions
to design problems * ability to work productively with a volunteer design
team * commitment to collaborative modes of working and dialogical modes
of communication * openness to working with in-kind contributions

DEADLINE

Proposals and references should be received at the address below by
October 7.  Final review will be conducted by UICA's Executive Committee
on October 22, and the candidate recommended by the Executive Committee
will be invited to meet with UICA's Board of Directors on November 5.
Notifications will be mailed to all candidates on November 6.  Address
inquiries and proposals to:

Ms. Marjorie Kuipers, Executive Director Urban Institute for Contemporary
Arts 88 Monroe Avenue NW Grand Rapids, MI 49503

Phone: 616/454-7000 Fax: 616/454-7013 Email: uica@iserv.net

-- 
Paul Wittenbraker

form:|:learn

pdog@case.grnet.com


From hosteen@ptw.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:07 EDT 1996
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Michael Killarney wrote:
> 
> About 20 years ago my wife and I took a one week geodesic dome house
> building seminar.  At the time, due to tight finances, we were forced to
> buy a conventional home in suburbia.  Times have changed and we are again
> looking at alternative housing.  Seems like most of the dome hype has
> subsided.  Anybody know where we can pick up some current literature?
> Thanks.
> 
> Mike Killarney

Hope this helps. I'm thinking a dome is the way to go also.    Harbin

<A HREF="http://www.branch.com/dome/dome.html"
<A HREF="http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html"
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<A HREF="http://www.nauticom.net/www/domeking/"
<A HREF="http://www.connect.net/monolith/"
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From jromines@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:11 EDT 1996
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Subject: Re: -- Bob Dole or Bill Clinton -- Online Survey
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The way I feel about politics right now I'd rather
    vote for Velveeta vs. Spam as the most desirable junk food.

                Nolichuck


Money-Maker wrote:
> 
> On-Line Survey!!!!
> 
> *Bob Dole*  VS  *Bill Clinton*
> 
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> 
> Write a single line that includes either Bob Dole or Bill Clinton
> 
> I'll post the result on Sep. 28th.
> 
> Thank you!


From info@netcad.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:13 EDT 1996
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From dlandis@prolog.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:15 EDT 1996
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From: Dave Landis <dlandis@prolog.net>
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axluigi@geocities.com (axLu) wrote:
>Some reasons not to vote for BOB:  he is too old, he refuses to sign
>pledge supporting anti-abortion, he favors Internet Censorship, he mixes
>religion with politics, he is Anti-Affirmative Action, his economic plans
>do not add up, etc. etc. etc....


And your point is?

 Clinton already signed a censorship bill for the internet so what is the 
point of your mentioning that?  And then there is mixing religion with 
politics...I haven't heard any news that prevents a person from espousing 
their personal beliefs in a diety just yet... in public just yet...(Read 
our currency lately?) but, so did Kennedy and many others...  
Anti-affirmative action?  What does that mean.?.. after 25-30 years of 
affirmative action, I'd be willing to take a strong hard look at it's 
success and wonder if it's working or not...?

I don't yet know if I will vote for Dole or not... I just know that I have 
come to dis-trust MR. Clinton... he has done much to disparage gun owners 
and hunters in general are major targets of those Mr. Clinton snuggles up 
to...  Only a year ago, he was very unpopular but all of a sudden, he's 
the media's darling...always has been maybe.  Seems the media is against 
most anything including being held accountable for the accuracy of their 
journalistic license!  

I'ts going to be a very confusing election, me thinks.  I know that I'm 
surely feeling unsettled about it all!

thanks for listening

dave



From auravist@apci.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:17 EDT 1996
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From ismon@dialup.netvision.net.il Sat Sep 14 13:39:18 EDT 1996
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In Article<ams194-2908961911330001@ams194.rh.psu.edu>, <ams194@psu.edu> writes:
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> From: ams194@psu.edu (Annette Seesink)
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> 
> Why is it that the Democrats who tell us how great Clinton is have the
> writing ability of eight year-olds?  I'm actually offending the 2nd and
> 3rd graders out there (sorry, kids).  I'm not even going into all the
> reasons we shouldn't be reelecting Clinton because that should be saved
> for a political newsgroup, but please people--if you're going to post, and
> you want others to take your opinion seriously, give yourself credit
> enough to write well.
> 
> -- 
> Annette Seesink
> ams194@psu.edu
GOOD 
BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From smcleod@fox.nstn.ca Sat Sep 14 13:39:19 EDT 1996
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Subject: Make A Few Extra Bucks
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   This is not a "Get rich quick scheme" or a Pyramid scheme.    It is a
program 
created and maintained by people like you who have a need for money.  It
won't 
make you millionaire, but it will make you enough to pay off your debts,
and who 
knows maybe  you'll be behind the wheel of a new BMW in as little as two 
months!!!!  If you're too eager to read what this all about, then you can
skip this 
section and go straight to the Instructions Section at the bottom of this
article.

Are you curious??  
 
Want to make cash easy???!!!

Please read on!!!!!!

   Have you ever asked yourself, "How do I make some serious cash in a
hurry?"  
Have you ever felt suffocated by credit card bills?   Well, just listen to
this.
I have finally found it.  A way to make money without losing your shirt,
without 
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hate those 
Pyramid schemes, those get rich quick 900 numbers; all those cheesy, no
good rob 
you blind scams.   The way to make money without the pain is here.

   I was scanning through a Newsgroup, much like you are now, when I saw
an 
article saying, " Pay off those credit cards!! "  Being a curious person
and 
extremely strapped for cash by credit card debt myself I decided to check
it out.
The article described a way to MAIL A $1 DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE 
PEOPLE AND MAKE $50,000 IN FOUR WEEKS!!!!!!!   Well, the more I thought 
about it the  more curious I got.   Why?  Because of how it works, and
because it 
would onle cost me five dollars (and 5 stamps).

   Okay, so the $50,000 was a little out of reach.  But I figured I could
make at least a 
1000 bucks or so.   So I did it.  I followed the instructions to the
letter.  I mailed a 
single dollar to each of the five persons on the list (there's one at the
end of the 
article).  I included a small note with the dollar that asked, "Please add
my name to 
the list."   I then removed the name in the first position of the five
names listed, 
moved the remaining four names each up one position, and put my name in
slot #5.  
Last,  I posted a revised article with my name on it and posted it in as
many 
newsgroups as possible.

   I waited for the money to start coming prepared to receive a couple
hundred, maybe 
a thousand dollars.   But, what an awesome surprise, the envelopes kept
coming in.  
I knew what they were when I saw the addresses coming in from all over the
world.  
That was exciting!  So you're asking, "How much did you get?"  Well, I
received a 
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   I now have a debt free life.  No student loans, no gredit card bills. 
I even bought a 
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unhappy.

   The end result depends on you.   You must follow through and repost
this article 
everywhere you can think of.   The more postings you make, the more cash
ends up 
in your mailbox.   It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

   Let's review why you should do this:
It only costs five dollars and five stamps.  You have only to take a walk
to the 
mailbox and post the article as many times as possible in exchange for the
great 
reward which will come.    We all have five dollars for an easy,
effortless 
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weeks.   
You can't lose.   Pay off those bills at the end of the month.

So, HOW DO YOU DO IT???

Instructions:
   I have provided the most detailed instructions on how to get underway. 
The list of 
names follws the instructons.

1.  Take a sheet of paper, write on it "PLEASE ADD MY NAME TO THE LIST "  
This creates a service out of the money making system and thus makes it
one 
hundred percent legal.   One dollar for the service of adding your name to
the list.   
For a neat twist you can write the position the addressee's name appeared
on your 
list , such as: "You were #4."  

2.   Fold that sheet of paper around a one dollar bill ( to hide the cash
>from  the 
those people who like to look at envelopes for cash).   Put the folded
piece of paper 
with its contents into an envelope, address to the name on the list and
send.  Don't 
forget the stamp.

3.  Now read carefully,  here is how you start getting money.   Look at
the list of 
five people, remove the first name and move everyone on the list up one
position.  
Now, put your name, address, zipcode, and country in position #5, the
bottom 
position on the list.  So, #1 gets bumped off the list,  #2 become #1, #3
becomes 
#2, and so on.

4.  Upload the revised article with tour name in position five to as many 
newsgroups and local bulletin boards as possible.   Give a catchy
description so it 
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you 
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take care of 
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amazing 
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If you need help uploading, simply ask the Sysop of the BBS or "post" a 
message in the newsgroups asking how to post a file.   People will always
be glad 
to help.   I would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too
many 
software packages out there with different (yet similar) methods of
posting.

 5.  The best step of all.   Sit on this step and just wait for the
mailman to come.   
Enjoy life knowing those debts are going to be paid off  so  you can start
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AND NOW THE LIST

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1.  Jason Mombourquette
     17 Homestead St.
     Nepean, Ontario   K2E 7N9
     Canada

2.  Stephanie Glandon
     10 Crescent Dr.
     Aylmer, Quebec   J9H  1T1
     Canada

3. Bill Johnson
    31 N. Prince St.
    Millersvillle, PA  17551

4. Olaph Swensen
      PO Box 1332
      Cave Junction, OR 97523

5.  Stewart McLeod
     39 Dorchester Dr.
     Bramalea, Ontario
     Canada
      L6T-3C8




From mrb1@mail.idt.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:21 EDT 1996
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From: mrb1@mail.idt.net (Astrologer)
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Wally Glenn <gwally@halcyon.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 EDWINL@prodigy.net wrote:
>
>This is disgusting. As if the coral reefs of the world were not in enough
>danger, now you want to make a calcium suppliment out of them?
>
I read the original note far too late to respond to it but I could not agree
more with you. Besides "coral calcium" is just plain ground chalk, and $35 will
buy you a mountain of chalk. I'll bet it's a very tiny vial they ship you.
  I also wouldn't worry too much about the coral supply. Anyone who would charge
that much for a small supply of chalk is not going to be concerned with where
the chalk originated, but rather how cheaply the chalk can be outsourced.

>Have you no conscience?
>Have you no feelings?
>Have you no sense of responsibility?
These are rhretorical questions I presume.
>
>Of all of the sources available for calcium, why pick on the reefs? Why
>not use a great source of calcium, human bones?
Because they're not dummies. You don't go about setting up a con operation by
advertising that you're committing a felony.
>
>
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--Thomas Paine


From kilborn@bosshog.arts.uwo.ca Sat Sep 14 13:39:22 EDT 1996
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Subject: interior design business text "Busineness Skills for Designers"
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From 632, Broadway, NYC, NY, 10012 Sat Sep 14 13:39:23 EDT 1996
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From: James Wines <sitejw@interport.net>
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James Wines of SITE, NYC is writing a book on "New Wave Organic 
Archiitecture" which is about the future...including sustainability, 
aesthetics, history, community, environmental sensibility, aesthetics, 
history and philosophy.  Among the architects he will feature who have 
dealt specifically with urban plans are Emilio Ambasz, Michael Sorkin, 
Donna Goodman (of New York), Sim Van der Ryn (Ecological Design 
Institute, Berkeley, Calif.) Jourda/ Perraudin (France) and Stern 
(Germany)

Storefront for Art & Architecture, a gallery in NYC, etc. has done 
several shows on cities of the future.

There's a lot to say.  Unfortunately..I am new to the internet...and 
can never find the same item twice.   I  still have for faith in fax 
machines and telephones.  If you send me e-mail, I may be able to 
respond to you with faxes and addresses of the above-mentioned.
Good luck.  Send me info about yourselves.   Kriz Kizak


From sankurd4@melsa.net.id Sat Sep 14 13:39:25 EDT 1996
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From: Abi Hartomo <sankurd4@melsa.net.id>
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Hi,

I am 5th year Architecture student at Bandung Institut of Technology 
(ITB) Indonesia.
For my final project, I will design an AIDS Hospice, can anyone give me 
anykind of information related to this matter?
Please Mail me at sankurd4@melsa.net.id or mamun@melsa.net.id

Thank you



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From danriebs@tcs.itis.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:27 EDT 1996
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From: Dan Riebs <danriebs@tcs.itis.com>
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Subject: Re: how to design a dry basement?
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Carl Windnagle wrote:
> 
> How do you keep a basement dry?  I'm currently spending
> large sums of money to run a 50pint dehumidifier 24 hours
> a day.
> 
> It would seem like a concrete basement should be painted
> or sealed by some other method to keep water from coming
> through.
> 
> Even after you do that though I think you would still have
> a damp basement in the summer because of humid air from
> outside leaking into the basement and causing condensation
> on the cool walls.
> 

I've been working on the same problem on the assumption my wife will 
ever let me build an underground house. I'm not an architect or a 
builder, but I've seen them on TV.

Let's start with the basics; 
    1. I live in central Wisconsin, so having air leaks of any kind from 
the outside is utterly unacceptable. I already pay enough to heat the 
place, I refuse to pay to heat the outdoors (sometimes -40F)  any more 
than necessary. (The same philosophy is useful during the summer when 
temps occaisionally get above 100F.)
    2. Everyone else in the world will tell you I'm wrong, but you 
should be able to build a dry basement in a lake, you just have to be 
more careful about the materials and methods you use (exposed re-rod, or 
anything else, on either side of the wall is a no-no here). To a certain 
extent you can even seal up cracks by putting up a layer of bentonite 
over the exterior wall before you put up the insulation.

The reading I've done indicates the answer to your wetness problem in 
new construction is: insulation and sealing up all the air leaks, 
possibly in conjunction with a small dehumidifier.

Regarding the insulation, I'm talking about styrofoam under the floor 
and around all the exterior walls too. It's possible you could avoid the 
insulation around the exterior walls by burying angled styrofoam all the 
way around the house, but that depends on your situation.


From @enter.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:29 EDT 1996
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From beartoe@ddg.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:30 EDT 1996
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From: beartoe@ddg.com (Robert Anderson)
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In article <01bb9b49$5c258020$LocalHost@tech-1>, "Eric"
<Landsknekt@io-online.com> wrote:

> Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
> US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
> glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
> Thanks...
>                                                 Eric

Even if this could be acheived structurally (and I suspect it could), the
slipperiness of glass could be a real hazard. I doubt you'd get a building
official to approve such a detail. And anything you could use to provide
traction would detract from transparency. 

Maybe some things just aren't meant to be done.

BTW, if you DO get a bldg official to approve this, and your client just
insists on it, I recommend you get your client to write you a
'indemnification and hold harmless' letter. Think long and hard about
this.


From gatensby@cyberstore.ca Sat Sep 14 13:39:32 EDT 1996
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"Eric" <Landsknekt@io-online.com> wrote:

>Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
>US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
>glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
>Thanks...
>						

Look up the work of Eva Jiricna, an architect who has done a number of
them in Europe, mostly in the UK. She has done some work in the  US,
but I don't know if it includes glass stairs. 

M a u r a 



From Archken@pacbell.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:34 EDT 1996
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From: Ken <Archken@pacbell.net>
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I will be purchasing a HP inkjet plotter soon to connect to my Mac.

There are at least two plotter drivers software available for the 
Mac---GDT PowerPlot and Microspot MacPlot.  They both claim 
compatibility with most plotters, including the HP 330 inkjet.

Does anybody know how these two plotter drivers compare in all aspects?  
Is there additional software or hardware that I would need to plot from 
my Mac?  How does Postscript fit into this picture?  I was told that 
adding a Postscript option would make the plotter Mac-compatible.  Can I 
plot just fine without Postscript?

Kenneth


From ka1jy@zipnet.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:35 EDT 1996
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On 1 Sep 1996 14:25:25 GMT, Xina <Xina@netins.net> wrote:

>Housing starts are up, stock prices stable, interest rates low, we have 
>more abundance than at any other time in the last 20 or more 
>years....

WHAT freaking planet on YOU on!!!!!!!!  The entire N.E. area has been in an
economic depression for the past 3 years. Taxes are at a record high, purchasing
power is at one of the lowest points since the depression, housing starts are
DOWN, housing prices have tumbled 20% or more in some areas, record numbers of
people are leaving the N.E. for anywhere else. 

If paying 40% of your income in taxes makes sense to you them by all means vote
for the 'government god' communists. Gees, think how many people died in vain
just to get the 'government gods' out of personal lives. The way people flock to
worship their 'lord' the 'great provider' would make them sick. 

-be


From duckchow@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:37 EDT 1996
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From: duckchow@ix.netcom.com (M J Epko)
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Subject: Re: building a home with hay bails
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hubbd@ruby.ils.unc.edu (David Hubbell) wrote:

>Does anybody know where I can get info on home building with hay bails?

Links to over 70 URLs about strawbale construction:
http://www.netcom.com/~duckchow/surfstrawbale1of2.html




From jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu Sat Sep 14 13:39:39 EDT 1996
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From: Jason Mansfield Roth <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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>It would seem like a concrete basement should be painted 
>or sealed by some other method to keep water from coming
>through.
> 
>Even after you do that though I think you would still have 
>a damp basement in the summer because of humid air from
>outside leaking into the basement and causing condensation
>on the cool walls.
> 
>How do you solve this problem?  It seems like it would
>be an even bigger problem for an earth sheltered house.
> 
>I've seen the Enertia web page.  That seems like it's effective,
>but an incredibly expensive solution.
 
/carl

I'm not sure what's on the Enertia Web page (what's the URL, please?),
but the following is a proven solution (Mac Wells, Father of Underground
Architecture), has been using it for nearly 30 years w/ 100% success. On
the outside of masonry walls (which have some water-tempering capacity),
butyl (or bituthene or  bentonite) sheeting (~1/16" thick) and 2-4" of
insulation. And that's it (except for the obvious soil drainage moves).
That thick layer of rubber is virtually impregnable and, more
importantly, impermeable. With the insulation on the outside, the walls
are room temperature -- except in extreme cases, condensation can't
happen. An example of an extreme case would be, say, fog coming in the
windows. Also, an earth-shelter has a better situation than the average
basement, as a significant amount of sun usually enters the space,
warming the walls, etc. I want to reiterate here the importance of
exterior insulation -- that, more than the rubber, keeps the space
pleasant, livable, and solar-heatable.


JMR

93 SL2, blue-green

"I never gave anyone hell -- I just told 'em the truth, and they thought
it was hell."

"What's the use of a good house if you don't have a decent planet to put
it on?"



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 The Seventh Asian Congress of Architects (ACA-7) and Business Forum '96

     - Get a firm grip in the immense opportunities in the swirling
       urban development Markets of Asia -

 Asia has already become a new hub in the world's economy.
 It is projected that two thirds of the world's financial trans-
 actions will be focused in the Asia-Pacific Region by the year
 2000. The growth of this region has been tremendous in the
 past 5 to 10 years, creating a whirlwind of opportunities in
 mega-city development. Success stories abound but there
 have also been some failed investments.

By 2020 the urban population of South and East Asia will increase by 
over 1 billion people. Even many of today's megacities will double in 
size. At the same time long term double-digit industrial growth is 
projected to fuel continued economic growth of 6% to 11% per annum 
across the economies of the region  for the next 20 years and more.
Huge medium cost and luxury residential estates, industrial estates and 
even complete integrated townships are being rapidly constructed by the 
private sector. Opportunities abound today for the already active 
private sector investors and the city governments who are capturing 
private sector energies and efficiencies in service provision.

 Individual consortia are commonly implementing urban
 schemes of 100 to 20,000 hectares, each amounting to multi
 billion dollar deals with rapid turnover of investor and medium
 capital. Jakarta alone has over 100,000 hectares of on-going
 private developments. Projects in the planning phase dwarf
 even these figures !

Both the public as well as the private sectors are 're-reading' the long 
term opportunities available. Investors those who keep up with development 
in the region may reap great profits and will play a role in these 
countries' development history. Previously professional and experienced 
developers have had to compete with cowboy developers who did not take 
much to succeed in some of these heated markets. The situation has changed.
Increasing skills and technology as well as demands from consumers and
regulators have changed the nature of opportunities. How one takes 
advantage of this changing marketplace is crucial to Asia's cities and 
investors' futures.

Four merging trends are bringing even more growth but also
profound changes in this situation:

- Economic growth means that a much larger proportion of
  the population is passing the threshold level for house pur-
  chase, rapidly increasing demand for lower and medium cost
  properties.
- The rate of city growth is far outstripping roads, transport, wa-
  ter, sanitation and drainage infrastructure at an order of
  change never experienced before.
- City scale has made environmental issues such as flooding
  and pollution a major factor in long term sustainability. The
  wider community, industrial site purchasers and home buyers
  are increasingly conscious of this in choosing to buy into
  developments already on the market.
- Governments are on the one hand enthusiastically pursuing
  public-private partnership in infrastructure provisions as well
  as urban developments, and on the other hand are becoming
  more demanding that these developments contribute to long
  term sustainable growth of cities.

The fleet of foot, with strong local presence have done exceptionally 
well, tailoring their approaches to each market and financing regime. 
They still will. But new capacities and skills will be needed to deal 
with the hierarchy of even larger and medium sized developments needed
to keep pace with growth in the future. Partnerships will combine much
wider ranges of services and infrastructure. On this scale new 
partnerships will be needed in the synchronizing of public and private
planning of developments and the major linking infrastructure. It 
presents a tremendous opportunity for governments that move forward 
fast to create the parameters and environment for these partnerships.

For investors it means that those who can combine a broader range of 
capacities into one team will lead the way into these larger scale 
developments. Financiers will be looking to new structures in the 
packaging of a hierarchy of commitments and funds flows between
investment/development consortia. Risk management techniques will 
evolve to make these bigger investment structures accessible to a 
wider market.

 ACA-7's Business Forum will bring these streams of together in the
 first session of a pioneering forum for the private and public sectors
 to grapple with these new opportunities, initiate today's investment
 tie-ups and map out their future in the greatest urban development
 opportunities that are ever likely to exist: Asia's cities moving into
 the 21st century.

  The major objectives of the Business Forum are:
- To create awareness and exchange market information on the trem-
  endous growth opportunities that have emerged in Asia for mega
  developments, investments that deal with large scale housing tracts,
  opportunities for integrated housing and commercial mini cities, and
  competitive industrial developments.
- To remove misconceptions about where the opportunities as well
  as the difficulties are in investing in the region, alleviate doubts and
  highlight successful experience and future innovations in mobilizing
  and implementing these investments.
- To create awareness of the changing nature of opportunities in the
  marketplace; a market that will require and reward highly professional
  developer and investor skills to achieve a competitive edge.
- To help to identify how one takes advantage of this changing market-
  place by extending and forging new partnerships.

   Attendees will include:
 - City managers defining the development and investment paradigms
   for growth moving into the 21st century.
 - Key major developers already active in expanding markets who are
   positioning themselves to take advantage of broader partnerships.
 - Investors seeking viable developments in the short run and position-
   ing for long term growth.
 - Financial and legal institution creating and marketing innovative
   financing schemes.
 - Architects and Planners creating the vision and sculpting the shape
   of urban developments.
 - Academicians researching and preparing a generation for the great
   age of urban development in Asia
 - Non government organizations.
 - Government officials in economic and urban development planning,
   concerned with promoting and regulating private sector investment.
 - Engineers: shaping the new environmental and infrastructure frame-
   work for urban growth.
 - Contractors discovering that mega developments are forging new
   investment marriages between housing developments and infra-
   structure such as toll roads and flood mitigation works.
 - Suppliers who want to appreciate the rapidly changing nature and
   location of demand for key technologies and commodities.

Organization of the Forum

The two day Forum will start with Introductory and Interpretative
sessions chaired by such institutions as the Asia Society that will
describe the scale and profiles of developments involved in the
Business Forum. The panel will describe the swirling and changing
nature of the market that has shied away from cowboy developers
and is in search of more professional investors that can respond
to long term community concern.

The Introductory session will be followed by presentations by
leaders in private sector city developments from the most vibrant
cities around the region. They will summarize the direction and
policies of they are responding to in major urban development
programs and the evolution of private sector investment that
they have played leading roles in. The future development path of
these cities and the opportunities for new public-private partner-
ships will be brought into profile in these presentations by the
architects of tomorrow's markets. These entrepreneurs and govern-
ment leaders will also be inviting delegates to join them in one-on-
one or small group market oriented sessions on the second day.

These investors are active in some of the most dynamic cities in the
region: Bangkok, Bangalore, Jakarta, Karachi, Manila and Shenzhen.

The first sessions of the second day of the Forum will place these cities 
current programs within a regional overview of the scale of developments 
required, and the changes in practices necessary to achieve the necessary 
levels of investments. This will lead into a retrospective session on 
success and difficulties in integrated development centered on one of the 
most advanced city in the region: Singapore.

Ciputra and James Riady, the heads of two of the most accomplished
large scale development companies in the region will present the
insights and practical knowledge of how to succeed in this dynamic
market, gained from their immense experience in 12 large scale
integrated city developments over the last 35 years. These inter-
nationally renowned and active developers who have both success-
fully combined hard nosed investment and demonstrated leader-
ship in developments devoted to establishing rich lifestyles will
discuss their special perspectives on the challenges and recommend-
ations for the future investment approaches.

The afternoon sessions will be devoted to the topic of creating the
climate to support these development programs by addressing
the public sector, private sector and community concerns in a
systematic manner. Perspectives on each of the major developing
countries will be combined in a panel session.

The final session for Day 2 will be in the form of a financier -
investor - public sector panel discussion on financial realities and
how this key area of innovation will be woven into new urban
development paradigms for the future. Also on the second day,
in parallel market presentation sessions, each of the developers
and representatives from cities will present their projects and
investment conditions in detail, inviting potential investors or
partners to attend small group presentation sessions and 
individual discussions.

-------------------------
Registration Secretariat:

              Royalindo Convention International
              Hotel Wisata International
              Office Tower Suite 302
              Jalan MH Thamrin , Jakarta , Indonesia
              Tel: +62-21 3140982
              Fax: +62-21 334470 , +62-21 3150886
              Email: arcasia7@pusdata.dprin.go.id

Registration Fees:
  ACA-7 only (for member of ARCASIA)                 USD 400
  ACA-7 only (for non-member of ARCASIA)             USD 500
  Business Forum only                                USD 500
  ACA-7 and Business Forum                           USD 600
  Accompanying person                                USD 150

Fee includes participation in the sessions, speakers' papers,
lunch,coffee breaks and social functions.

Payment of USD by Telegraphic Transfer to:

           PANITIA ARCASIA - ACA 7
           Bank Niaga - Thamrin Branch
           Jalan MH Thamrin , Jakarta , Indonesia
           A/C no.  08A-4864-5

As a service to participants in the ACA-7 and Business Forum 96,
the Organizing Committee has reserved hotel accomodation at
preffered rates:

Jakarta Hilton Hotel, adjacent to the Venue
      - Main Building, Rate for SGL / DBL           USD 110 / 110
      - Lagoon Tower, Rate for SGL / DBL            USD 130 / 130

Hotel Indonesia, 30 minutes drive frm the Venue
      - Deluxe Room, Rate for SGL / DBL             USD 80 / 90

Hotel rates are subject to 21% service charge & government tax.
One night deposit is required to secure your hotel reservation at
the latest by Sept. 1, 1996. Otherwise the OC will not guarantee
the room reservation. To qualify for these preferred rates 
accomodation must be booked through the OC Secretariat address 
mentioned above.

------------------------------------------------------------------
Highlight of the program

Sept 25
-------
09.00 , ACA-7 + Business Forum:
            Keynote and Opening Speech
11.00 , ACA-7 + Business Forum:
            INDOBEX 96 TOUR (Indonesian Building and
            Construction Exhibition 96)
12.00 , ACA-7 + Business Forum:
            L u n c h
13.00 , ACA-7: Session A1
            The Philosophy of Symbiosis Architecture :
            Kisho Kurokawa
14.30 , ACA-7: Coffee Break
14.45 , ACA-7: Session B1: Discussion
13.00 , Business Forum: Session A2
            Presentation of City Development
            Bangkok, Karachi, Jakarta
14.30 , Business Forum: Coffee Break
14.45 , Business Forum: Session B2
            Shenzen, Madras or Bangalore, Manila
19.00 , Fellowship Dinner for all delegates

Sept 26
-------
09.00 , ACA-7: Session C1
           Global Architecture Practice: Peter C. Pran
10.30 , ACA-7: Coffee Break
10.45 , ACA-7: Session D1
            Open space in New Town Development:
            Charles Corea
12.00 , ACA-7: Lunch
13.00 , ACA-7: Session E1
            The Skyscrapers as vertical Geography:
            DR Ken Yeang
14.30 , ACA-7: Coffee Break
14.45 , ACA-7: Session F1: Discussion

09.00 , Business Forum: Session C2
            Regional Overview by Multilateral Development,
            Finance Agencies and Government Of Indonesia
10.30 , Business Forum: Coffee Break
10.45 , Business Forum: Session D2
            Practical Development Approaches by City of
            Singapore, Ciputra and James Riady
12.00 , Lunch
13.00 , Business Forum: Session E2
            Creating and working within an environment
            of rapid massive development by a panel of
            developers of Indonesia, China, India and Thai.
14.30 , Business Forum: Coffee Break
14.45 , Business Forum: Session F2
           Financial realities and the future of urban investment

        ---
        Also in Business Forum Venues: Cities/Countries Host 
        Sessions in individual discussion rooms. Host Countries 
        confirmed: Indonesia, China, Thai, Pakistan, India 
        and Philippines.
        ---

--------------------------------------------
Speakers on 7th Asian Congress of Architects
Jakarta, September 23 - 26, 1996

High ranking Government Officials who have palyed an important role
in shaping the current achitectural trends, and have successfully
develop and implemented variuos significant local and regional 
policies in character-based urban planning, building construction
and infrastructure development.

Prominent Figures ub the Private Sectors whose extensive experience
and knowledge in the fields of architecture and urban designs have
earned them international respect and recognition. These figures 
carry them a broad range of expertise in the construction of 
properties that are socio-culturally relevant, and from this position
the have successfully develop and award winning identify-based
architectural products.

Prominent speakers will share their experiences and views, the
include :

    * Architect Kisho Kurokawa
    * Architect Ken Yeang
    * Architect Charles Corres
    * Architect Peter Pran
    * Prominent Indonesian Property
    * Prominent Indonesian Developer
    * etc.

-------------------------------------------
7th Asian Congress of Architects activities
* Jakarta, September 23 - 26, 1996

     1. The ARCASIA Council Meeting
     2. Asian Congress of Architects
     3. The 3rd ARCASIA Award for Architecture
     4. The ARCASIA Commitee for Architectural Education (ACAE)
     5. The 2nd ARCASIA Students Prizes
     6. The 6th, Achitectural Students Jamboree
     7. Head & Dean of School of Architect Forum

ARCASIA session will feature prominent figures in the Asian development
scenes including prominent Indonesian figures that have successfully
develop the nation's capital, Jakarta, into one of the leading business
centers in Asia.

The Congress will also feature various significant activities that are
linked with ARCASIA, such as, an International Workshops Exhibition and
Business Forum 1996.

Participants will also be able to enjoy an optional tour to Indonesia's
renowned vacation destinations, such as Yogyakarta and Bali.

----
For further information:
arcasia7@pusdata.dprin.go.id
Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From alanh@widomaker.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:41 EDT 1996
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There ought to be a special place in hell, right next to the ovens, for
all these architects who are more concerned with winning artsy-fartsy
design prizes or getting their names in trendy magazines, than in getting
the mechanicals perfected.


From bgeery@worldnet.att.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:42 EDT 1996
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From dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 14 13:39:43 EDT 1996
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From: Doug Weller <dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk>
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In article <3232aba6.257519@news.zipnet.net>
          ka1jy@zipnet.net (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:

> On 1 Sep 1996 14:25:25 GMT, Xina <Xina@netins.net> wrote:
> 
> >Housing starts are up, stock prices stable, interest rates low, we have 
> >more abundance than at any other time in the last 20 or more 
> >years....
> If paying 40% of your income in taxes makes sense to you them by all means vote
> for the 'government god' communists. Gees, think how many people died in vain
> just to get the 'government gods' out of personal lives. The way people flock to
> worship their 'lord' the 'great provider' would make them sick. 

Vote for those who would control your personal life but yet the economic
predators free to destroy the powerless?

Vote for someone who makes promises about income tax and economic recovery
>from  the loss of income he probably won't live to see revealed as
economic ignorance?

Vote for someone whose supporters think anyone who opposes them is
a communist and therefore fair game?
-- 
Doug Weller


From netblz19@mail.idt.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:45 EDT 1996
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SHLEM wrote:
> 
> Ed Ough wrote:
> >
> > I'm Canadian and I really don't give a flying f*** about your
> > election.   Why don't you morons get an intelligent thought and post
> > your articles in the appropriate place (not alt.aquaria or many of the
> > other newsgroups that this cross post ends up in).
> >
> > Ed
> 
>         Canadians are like Americans, except without the guns.
> I say that with pride, as an American.
> 
>         I advise a bit more diplomacy on your part, or one of these days
> we might just muster up our Salvation Army to go up there and get us
> states #51, 52, and 53.  You can keep Quebec...hell, you couldn't give them
> away.



Where the flying fuck is Canada.....oh yeah....isn't that where draft 
evaders go to be coddled by those socialist swine.  
Oh....ahem.....sorry....I got carried away!


From s.maher@fathom-dmd.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:46 EDT 1996
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In article <01bb9b49$5c258020$LocalHost@tech-1>, "Eric" <Landsknekt@io-online.com> says:
>
>Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
>US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
>glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
>Thanks...
>                                                Eric


Have you given any thought to using Lexan instead of glass.  It is not supposed to scratch and it 
seems you would be able to carve grooves for traction. 


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I'm Canadian and I really don't give a flying f*** about your
election.   Why don't you morons get an intelligent thought and post
your articles in the appropriate place (not alt.aquaria or many of the
other newsgroups that this cross post ends up in).

Ed




From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Sat Sep 14 13:39:48 EDT 1996
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From: nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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>From  The Philadelphia Inquirer, Sunday Sept 8, 1996...

AMERICA'S DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL IS GROWING

By Bob Fernandez

...So dependent is the United States on foreign oil that it is often
willing to use its military might, as it did last week, to forstall
any perceived threat to the flow...

This year, 48% of the oil consumed in the United States will be imported--
which is about the same level as the time of the oil crisis in 1979--and
by the year 2000 the foreign share is expected to be 55%. Oil industry
experts say the nation has diversified its oil sources in the past decade
by buying from countries outside the OPEC oil cartel; they say there is
little chance of an oil crisis.

But the trends show that the nation will be more urgently aware of oil
interests in the coming years...

"We'll never escape the Middle East," says energy analyst Mary Novak
with the Wefa Group in Eddystone. "We're in a no-win situation."

The two missile attacks in southern Iraq last week underscored the fact that
the nation is again addicted to Persian Gulf oil. Defense Secretary William 
Perry conceded that the cruise missile attacks were justified by the "clear
and present danger" to the flow of Arabian oil posed by the regime of
Saddam Hussein.

Initially, the Clinton administration cited Hussein's attacks on rebellious
Kurds in northern Iraq as justification for intervention. In his nationwide
address Tuesday, President Clinton pointed out that the United States had
warned Hussein of severe consequences if he attacked Kurds in the northern
city of Irbil....

It was left to Perry, in an unusually candid admission, to specify oil as
the primary motivation: "Our national interests are not tied to which party
prevails in this conflict in northern Iraq. But we do have vital national
security interests in maintaining security and stability in the region...
and protection of the flow of oil."

It was significant the the United States did not attack Northern Iraq, where
Iraq troops were massed against the Kurds. The cruise missiles struck in the
south, near the strategic oil fields of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

Despite America's diversification of oil sources, it is believed that a
collapse of oil shipments from Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer,
would severly harm the nation's economy with an oil-price spike...

In the last several years, the nation's consumption of oil has increased
by about 1 million barrels a day...

Nick



From juergenh@technet.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:49 EDT 1996
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From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Sat Sep 14 13:39:50 EDT 1996
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From: nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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Subject: Re: Looking for Info on Pool Solar Heating in NJ
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John W. Moffett <j.w.moffett@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Hello all,

Hello John,

>I live in New Jersey with a well shaded pool.  Have nice sunny roof and 
>would like to use solar to warm up the pool by 10 degrees.

How about floating two dozen $16 2' x 8' x 2" thick pieces of Styrofoam on the
pool, and putting a layer of 5 cent/ft^2 black polyethylene film on your sunny
roof, and putting another layer of clear film over that, attached with some
75 cent/linear foot aluminum extrusion clamps, and drilling a 1/8" hole every
6" in a 1 1/2" PVC pipe along the ridgeline, to spray some pump filter water
between the two plastic films, which runs down into the gutter and back into
the pool, whenever the sun is shining and the pool is not warm enough?

The weak point in solar pool heating is usually the cover, which is a poor
insulator, compared to a house wall. A 24' x 32' 80 F pool with an outdoor 
temp T might lose 24(80-T)768ft^2/R10 Btu/day through a 2" Styrofoam cover,
and a rooftop with a south-facing area of 20' x 32' might gain 640K Btu/day
of winter sun, and lose (6 hr)(80-T)640ft^2/R1, so if Ein = Eout,

   24(80-T)76.8 = 6(80-T)640, or equivalently,
    4(80-T)76.8 = (80-T)640,  or equivalently,
     (80-T)76.8 = (80-T)160,  or equivalently,
	   76.8 = 160.

Hmmm. What is wrong with this solar arithmetic? Is it true that solar heating
does not work, as many people say?

Aha, I forgot the sun...

   24(80-T)76.8       = 640K - 6(80-T)640,  or equivalently,
     (80-T)76.8       = 26.7K -6(80-T)26.7, or equivalently,
     (80-T)(76.8+160) = 26.7K,              or equivalently,
     (80-T)236.8      = 26.7K,              or equivalently,
      80-T            = 26.7K/236.8,        or equivalently,
      80-T            = 112.8,              or equivalently,
                    T = 80 - 112.8 = - 32.8. 

So, could this pool stay 80 F when the outdoor temp is minus 33 F? Probably
not, since there would be some evaporation of water and heat losses between
the floating panels, and losses to the cool ground around the sides, and 55 F
R10 ground under the bottom, but still... Not bad.

How hot could we make the pool, with this arithmetic? In Philadelphia,
in December, with an average outdoor temperature of 36 F? Tp-36 = 112.8,
so Tp = 112.8 + 36 = 148.8 F. Could we make it a 104 F hot tub?

How much would it cool over a cloudy week? If it were 4' deep, and most of
the heat loss were through its R10 cover, it would hold C = (24x32)x4x64,
about 200,000 pounds of water, with a thermal resistance R = R10/(24x32), so
RC = R10/(24x32)x(24x32)x4x64 = 10x4x64 = 2560 hours or 106 days or 15 weeks.

Over one week, it might cool to 36 + (104-36)exp(-1/15) = 99.7 F.

Nick



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Ed Ough wrote:
> 
> I'm Canadian and I really don't give a flying f*** about your
> election.   Why don't you morons get an intelligent thought and post
> your articles in the appropriate place (not alt.aquaria or many of the
> other newsgroups that this cross post ends up in).
> 
> Ed

	Canadians are like Americans, except without the guns.
I say that with pride, as an American.

	I advise a bit more diplomacy on your part, or one of these days
we might just muster up our Salvation Army to go up there and get us
states #51, 52, and 53.  You can keep Quebec...hell, you couldn't give them
away.


From billcarp@shadow.net Sat Sep 14 13:39:53 EDT 1996
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From michael@complexity.org Sat Sep 14 13:39:54 EDT 1996
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From: "Michael T. Bishop" <michael@complexity.org>
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Greetings,

I would like to announce that Straw Bale Homes has moved to its new 
site at:

http://www.strawhomes.com

This site provides a list of resources related to straw homes and other 
information.

Regards,

Michael
-- 
			Michael T. Bishop
   Idaho Systems Institute - Designing Idaho Education for Tomorrow
		 ------- Straw Bale Homes -------
	balemaster@strawhomes.com ---- http://www.strawhomes.com


From eaputnam@aol.com Sat Sep 14 13:39:55 EDT 1996
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Well, I had been looking for an excuse to address this group for a while
and tell you about our "little" project in Homestead... thank you to Hank
Miller and Joe Pica for giving me a reason...

Homestead Habitat for Humanity is in the process of building 187 homes in
a project called Jordan Commons.  It is considered a model for sustainable
communities, in terms of its neo-traditional site design, use of
recyclable materials, application of energy efficient technologies, and
its construction waste management program.  Although, these will not be
the least expensive houses that Habitat has ever built, they are certainly
something for you to study, specially when you look at the overall cost of
development to communities.  

I would like to tell you that Jordan Commons was the result of forward
thinking on behalf of HFH to find innovative solutions to the affordable
housing problem, however the real impetus was that there was such a great
need for affordable housing in South Dade County following Hurricane
Andrew.  Regardless of the intial reason that Habitat chose to build a
community of this magnitude, Jordan Commons will be a community in the
spirit of the logic expressed in Joe Pica's posting and will serve as a
valuable lesson for affordable housing developers and other Habitat
affliates (as for the rest of the cynism,  sorry Joe, only one cause at a
time)

Soon we will have a web page up for the world to see, and we will post the
address here when it is up and running, until then if you would like
further information about Jordan Commons you can e-mail us.

Incidentally,  we are in the process of building and could really use your
help.  For more information about helping contact Beth Putnam or Christina
Crespo at (305)247-0847

Beth


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Ed Ough wrote:
> 
> I'm Canadian and I really don't give a flying f*** about your
> election.   Why don't you morons get an intelligent thought and post
> your articles in the appropriate place (not alt.aquaria or many of the
> other newsgroups that this cross post ends up in).
> 
> Ed


    Dear Ed,

   The Election questionnaire was unsolicited on our part, so there's
   not any reason for hostility here. You Canucks have a big chip
   on your shoulder at times, so why can't you take this thing in
   context.....that was not originated from this group. We prefer to
   talk about Appalachian subjects such as hollers, gaps, Thomas 
   Wolfe, recreation, and just plain, friendly bantering and 
   socializing. (I speak for myself anyway).  

   I think your politics is sort of interesting, anyway (Quebec
   secession, etc.)

              Peace and harmony,

              Jim AKA Nolichucky


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In article <511brm$jnu@ufo.ee.vill.edu>, nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine) wrote:

big snip

> 
> Despite America's diversification of oil sources, it is believed that a
> collapse of oil shipments from Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer,
> would severly harm the nation's economy with an oil-price spike...
> 

> Nick

Harm which nations economy, USA's or Saudi Arabia's?

I suspect that although it may harm the USA economy, it would destroy the
Saudi economy.

>From  what I read the Gulf states are none too flush with cash these days,
and have populations which have come to have high expectations. Witness
the inability of OPEC to enforce the quota system to keep prices high,
i.e. each country sells more than its quota to try and get more income.

-- 
John Shotton


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Robert Anderson wrote:
> 
> In article <01bb9b49$5c258020$LocalHost@tech-1>, "Eric"
> <Landsknekt@io-online.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
> > US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
> > glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look.
> > Thanks...
> >                                                 Eric
> 
> Even if this could be acheived structurally (and I suspect it could), the
> slipperiness of glass could be a real hazard. I doubt you'd get a building
> official to approve such a detail. And anything you could use to provide
> traction would detract from transparency.

Perhaps you could toy a little more with the transparency effect. Cut
grooves along the upperface of the glass tread.  Insert a material that
will provide for traction.  If the material were a noticably deep and
wide it would appear that they were floating in space.  It would add to
the allusion and provide some focus for the user.

> 
> Maybe some things just aren't meant to be done.

But that shouldn't mean that some things shouldn't be (re)considered. 
If we don't we might be missing out on a great opportunity.

Besides if all things were done identically, then would anyone really
notice the environment around them.

> 
> BTW, if you DO get a bldg official to approve this, and your client just
> insists on it, I recommend you get your client to write you a
> 'indemnification and hold harmless' letter. Think long and hard about
> this.

Better yet, design it right in the first place and this legal mumbo
jumbo would not be needed.  

cheers,

chad


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gatensby@cyberstore.ca (Maura Gatensby) wrote:

>"Eric" <Landsknekt@io-online.com> wrote:

>>Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
>>US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
>>glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
>>Thanks...
>>						

>Look up the work of Eva Jiricna, an architect who has done a number of
>them in Europe, mostly in the UK. She has done some work in the  US,
>but I don't know if it includes glass stairs. 

>M a u r a 

I've seen a photograph of a spiral staircase in the US by an architect
named  Carpenter.

--
Martin



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Ed Ough wrote:
> 
> I'm Canadian and I really don't give a flying f*** about your
> election.   Why don't you morons get an intelligent thought and post
> your articles in the appropriate place (not alt.aquaria or many of the
> other newsgroups that this cross post ends up in).
> 
> Ed

I'm American and I agree completely.  
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Doug Weller <dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Vote for those who would control your personal life but yet the economic
>predators free to destroy the powerless?

What 'powerless'?  What control of my personal life?  What ARE you
talking about?  Who wants to nationalize one-seventh of this nation's
GNP?  Who wants to tax out of existence most businesses with fewer
than 10 employees - which account for almost one-half this nation's
earnings?  Who wants to add additional layers of bureaucracy on top of
the massive amounts we already have?  Neither is my choice of
candidate, but this is childish and ridiculous!

>Vote for someone who makes promises about income tax and economic recovery
>from the loss of income he probably won't live to see revealed as
>economic ignorance?

There were several recent articles in my local paper (Colorado Springs
Gazette/Telegraph}, and in the Wall Street Journal, that clearly
showed economic facts that the last time "supply side" economics were
tried, the GNP almost doubled in four years.  That included one of the
largest tax CUTS this country has seen this century.   You might want
to check your facts (as you encourage others to do) before spouting
off.  The GT is on-line at 'www.usa.net/gazette'.

>Vote for someone whose supporters think anyone who opposes them is
>a communist and therefore fair game?

Name-calling is a tradition in all FREE governments.  Or haven't you
listened to Parlaiment debate lately?

>-- 
>Doug Weller




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>>Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
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>>glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 



Why would any architect who cares the slightest for those who use their
buildings design a transparent set of steps?  

Stair users need to be able to accurately identify where to place their
feet on a stair.  If they can't they will fall.  This is pretty basic stuff
just like not making slippery stairs.

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In article <01bb9b49$5c258020$LocalHost@tech-1>, "Eric" <Landsknekt@io-online.com> says:
>
>Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
>US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
>glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
>Thanks...
>                                                Eric

I am not an architect or builder, but I think it would be very difficult 
to get a suspended in air look.  There would be too many reflections and 
refractions.  Nvertheless, it should be possible to make it pretty 
goddam scary for those who don't like heights.  BTW, there is a building 
in Melbourne with a swimming pool way up on the nth floor.  The end of 
the pool cantilevers out over the street, and it is transparent.  
Swimming along looking at the road 100 ft below is REALLY weird.

AW


From URVM14A@prodigy.com Sat Sep 14 13:40:11 EDT 1996
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From: URVM14A@prodigy.com (Robert W. Waters)
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Subject: Egg Shaped House in N Carolina??
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Does anyone know how well the Egg Shaped House weathered hurricane 
Fran?  I had heard the occupants were allowed to stay in the house 
while everone around them had to evacuate.


From dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 14 13:40:13 EDT 1996
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From: Doug Weller <dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk>
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In article <515h1b$16a@natasha.rmii.com>
          mweather@rmii.com (Mike Weatherford) wrote:

> Doug Weller <dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >Vote for those who would control your personal life but yet the economic
> >predators free to destroy the powerless?
> 
> What 'powerless'?  What control of my personal life?  What ARE you
> talking about?  Who wants to nationalize one-seventh of this nation's
> GNP?  Who wants to tax out of existence most businesses with fewer
> than 10 employees - which account for almost one-half this nation's
> earnings?  Who wants to add additional layers of bureaucracy on top of
> the massive amounts we already have?  Neither is my choice of
> candidate, but this is childish and ridiculous!

I haven't noticed any of those desires in anyone's political platform,
but I have clearly seen a strong desire by the Republican party and
its supporters to control people's personal lives -- how could
anyone have missed it? What is childish and ridiculous is to make
up claims about what someone 'wants to do'.

[SNIP]
> 
> >Vote for someone whose supporters think anyone who opposes them is
> >a communist and therefore fair game?
> 
> Name-calling is a tradition in all FREE governments.  Or haven't you
> listened to Parlaiment debate lately?

So it's a tradition, so what?  I personally don't like smear
campaigns.  Of course, they say more about the caller than the
callee.
-- 
Doug Weller


From cstarck@atl.mindspring.com Sat Sep 14 13:40:14 EDT 1996
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From: "Charles F. Starck" <cstarck@atl.mindspring.com>
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David Hubbell wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know where I can get info on home building with hay bails?

try www.strawhomes.com for starters. Also might do a websearch for
strawbale homes;

regards

charles


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Taking 5 minutes to read this text may be one of the best decisions you
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MAY I ALSO REMIND YOU THAT:
      
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                 USA
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REMEMBER - HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.

ENJOY!


From morrisc@pobox.upenn.edu Sat Sep 14 13:40:16 EDT 1996
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From: morrisc@pobox.upenn.edu
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Greetings All!

I was unsure what/how to phrase the subject, but I am interested in
kit housing (self-fabricated).  I know there are dome companies, which
I have contacted - but I'm interested in whether there are any
non-geodesic structure that fall under this description.

If anyone can suggest particular architects/organizations/web-sites
etc. I would greatly appreciate it!

-Many thanks



From swanton@river.biddeford.com Sat Sep 14 13:40:17 EDT 1996
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In article <3234651B.109@holli.com>, Dan Bollinger  <critters@holli.com> wrote:
>Alan Horowitz wrote:
>> 
>> There ought to be a special place in hell, right next to the ovens, for
>> all these architects who are more concerned with winning artsy-fartsy
>> design prizes or getting their names in trendy magazines, than in getting
>> the mechanicals perfected.
>
>
>Alan;
>
>Now that you have brought up your concern, what suggestions do you have 
>to make glass stair treads work?  How can you make them successful?
>

Make them out of something else. I really dont mean this as a slam but
I really think you'ld be better off. The state library here installed 
a rubberized non-skid mat on the main stairs. It was medium brown with
very little contrast. From above the visual seperation between treads
was so diminished as to elicit numerous comments from the patrons that
the stair made them uncomfortable. They have since installed a contrasting
strip of material near the nosing which enhances the contrast and makes
it less unsettling to descend. Can you imagine how these people would 
have felt if the treads had been transparent? 

You might consider a compromise - what if you were to fashion the 
treads of some fairly standard, opaque material with good visual 
contrast but make the stringers transparent? I cant speak to the
structural side of this but I would think it might provide something
of the effect you desire of the stair 'floating' while avoiding
the major safety problems associated with a transparent tread.

Might this be viable?

gps





From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Sat Sep 14 13:40:19 EDT 1996
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From: nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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george p swanton <swanton@river.biddeford.com> wrote:

>>Now that you have brought up your concern, what suggestions do you have 
>>to make glass stair treads work?
 
>Make them out of something else...

>From above the visual seperation between treads was so diminished as to
>elicit numerous comments from the patrons that the stair made them
>uncomfortable. They have since installed a contrasting strip of material
>near the nosing which enhances the contrast and makes it less unsettling
>to descend. Can you imagine how these people would have felt if the treads
>had been transparent? 

Seems to me architects waste time and money and space fussing over stairs. 

I say use a cheap and fast DC winch, with a trickle-charged battery.

And smart controls that lower a person quickly when it feels a tug in
the upper position, and raise a person quickly when it feels a tug in
the lower position, and move it fast from floor to floor when called with
a clap or a whistle.

And regenerative braking on the way down.

Nick



From VERHEY@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu Sat Sep 14 13:40:20 EDT 1996
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960913060328.19279A-100000@garcia.efn.org>
Kathy Ging <kging@efn.org> writes:
 
>
>Pls. get the term straight - hay has seeds in it from what I hear!
>
 
A more universal definition might be this:  hay is the dried
foliage of plants that have been harvested for feed, not seed.
Straw is what's left after plants are harvested (and threshed)
for seed.  Usually when people talk about straw they mean
grasses--wheat, rice, bluegrass etc.  Often when people
talk about hay they mean either grasses (timothy, for example),
or broadleaves (alfalfa, for example).
 
I've heard people say (actually, seen people write) that hay
wouldn't work for construction because its feed value means
it would get eaten.  I think the problem might be more that
hay is (or should be) at least 3X more expensive than straw.
I think the dryness of hay or straw is what keeps it from
decaying.
 
What do I know, though--I have lots of experience with hay,
but almost none with SB construction.
 
Steve Verhey
Palouse, WA


From sankurd4@melsa.net.id Sat Sep 14 13:40:22 EDT 1996
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From: Abi Hartomo <sankurd4@melsa.net.id>
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Hi There,

Can Any body help me to provide any kind of information about 
"Multistorey Box Structure Systems", such as Kurokawa's Nagakin Capsule 
Tower?

Thank you
Abi H
sankurd4@melsa.net.id



From fhueston@aol.com Sat Sep 14 13:40:23 EDT 1996
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From: fhueston@aol.com (FHueston)
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From Maene.alu@tornado.be Sat Sep 14 13:40:24 EDT 1996
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From: "Geert Maene" <Maene.alu@tornado.be>
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> >
> >Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in
the
> >US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into
the
> >glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
> >Thanks...
> >                                                Eric
> 
> 
I'm a belgian stair constructor an we made a lot af stairs white glas.
You can use layered glas of 20mm thick.
The new flamisch parlement in Brussels has a whole floor in glas. It is
also
possible to screen the pvb-films with a logo.

Good luck.

Geert Maene.



From paradigm@softdisk.com Sat Sep 14 13:40:26 EDT 1996
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New 3D Web Site - www.2dimes.com

Paradigm Productions - 
Game Development * 3D Computer Graphics * Design

Has a new internet domain:

http://www.2dimes.com

Come check out our work, services, free 3D models, and public art
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From Eric Sat Sep 14 13:40:27 EDT 1996
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From: vertu@concentric.net (Michael O'Donnell)
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In article <01bb9b49$5c258020$LocalHost@tech-1>, "Eric"
<Landsknekt@io-online.com> wrote:

> Does any architect know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
> US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
> glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
> Thanks...
>                                                 Eric

I don't know of any glass stairs, but I did design a glass floor once for
an architect in the US. Here are some things to consider:

Will any engineer design such a thing? It took me a while to find one,
and it was strictly 'off the record'. We used a safety factor of x8, which
came to 800 psf. We used a thick laminated tempered glass, fully
supported  and cushioned on 4 sides. This is not a foolproof solution,
however.

Will a glass manufacturer _knowingly_ sell material for this use? Will a
contractor install it? Any guarantees?

Will persons using the stairs be wearing spikes. Probably not a good idea.
Will they know this?

Speaking of lawsuits, does your liability carrier know what you're up to?

'Hold harmless and indemnify' clauses are a first step (you might add 'and
defend'), but this may extend only as far as your client while he or she
actually owns the property. Statutory law varies from state to state,
appellate rulings ditto, and in my experience most lawyers don't have a
clue unless they're expert in construction law.

Check out anti-skid coatings.

Read 'The Glass Mountain' in Donald Barthelme's _City Life_.

Good Luck. We certainly don't want to encourage chickenheartedness in
stair climbing!

Michael


From anorth@globalnet.co.uk Sat Sep 14 13:40:29 EDT 1996
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From: anorth@globalnet.co.uk (Andrew North)
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Subject: Re: requesting information - Alternative Energy Equipment sources
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rwbake19@webserve.net wrote:

>I am requesting information from any individual with knowledge of
>Alternative Energy Equipment sources - items include, solar
>panels(electrical & hot water/heating), geothermal equipment,
>windmills (power & water), water wheels, solar collection equipment,
>methane digestors, hydraulic rams, electrical generators (DC & AC),
>wood stoves, etc. and any sources of auxiliary equipment.

etc....

You could try :-

Centre for Alternative Technology
Machynlleth
Powys
Wales
United Kingdom

I don't know their post code (zip code)

They operate a very good centre which started in the 1970's,  they
also run coarses,  bookshop, experimental work and they also live
there as well.  If you are in the UK it's well worth a look.  

I haven't found anything on the NET about them, but this doesn't mean
their not there.  Hopefully someone from their will see this and
respond.

If you want any more information about them drop me a note and I'll
see what I can do.

Regards

Andy




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From: eco@interaccess.com (eco@interaccess.com)
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Forwarding this to you:

From: "W. Pepper Bradford" <pepper@eatel.net>
Organization: Bradford Agrilab, Inc.
Subject: Setting up a market

I'm a Landscape Architect student at Louisiana State University and my
class is assisting a local organization by designing the layout of a new
farmers market to be opened in downtown Baton Rouge, LA this November. I
was hoping that maybe y'all would have some helpful information for us
that might aid in getting our market off tyhe ground. Specifically, how
did you choose the location and what were the factors that determined
the layout and overall presentation of your market. Any infromation that
you could send would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

W. Pepper Bradford
pepper@eatel.net




From critters@holli.com Sat Sep 14 13:40:31 EDT 1996
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Alan Horowitz wrote:
> 
> There ought to be a special place in hell, right next to the ovens, for
> all these architects who are more concerned with winning artsy-fartsy
> design prizes or getting their names in trendy magazines, than in getting
> the mechanicals perfected.


Alan;

Now that you have brought up your concern, what suggestions do you have 
to make glass stair treads work?  How can you make them successful?

Dan Bollinger
Industrial Designer



From student@exodus.valpo.edu Sat Sep 14 13:40:32 EDT 1996
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You know it feels like I keep saying the same thing.

THIS IS AMAZINGLY STUPID!

Yeah, I think I am. 

Dave Stanford
dstanfor@athena.valpo.edu
"People are stupid."   Terry Goodkind
'Stupid people suck.'



From trombe@sans.vuw.ac.nz Sat Sep 14 13:40:33 EDT 1996
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From: David Whyte <trombe@sans.vuw.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: Kiosks live again...
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ok, on kiosks see arch review jan 1995- the kinetic kiosk, maybe somewhat
literal but if you are into architecture that actually provokes as well as
works this is a good example. a restrained scheme for a street news stand
in Frankfurt- it does the business. It is a referent for my final design
paper at VUW Wgton NZ.

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Paul wrote:

> In article <517kb5$29i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> silly59366@aol.com (Silly59366) writes:
> >From: silly59366@aol.com (Silly59366)
> >Subject: Kiosks live again...
> >Date: 11 Sep 1996 20:09:09 -0400
> 
> >I am currently doing a project for my studio class concerning kiosks or
> >more precisely information centers.  I am experiencing mucho difficulty
> >finding any sources.  If there is anyone who can refer me to some source
> >or at least point me in the right direction, I would be very thankful :)
> 
> >As of now I don't even know what I have to look up to find "kiosks" so any
> >feedback will be much appreciated!
> 
> >thank you
> 
> The National Park Service's Denver Service Center has done quite a bit of work 
> in this area.  They have a hierarchy of web pages and if you do a web search 
> their master page should lead you to Denver or at least a means to query them 
> to find the right folks.  Good luck.   Paul
> 
> 
> 



From gcooper@zoomnet.net Sat Sep 14 13:40:35 EDT 1996
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Wrong agian.  It does constitute a chain letter.  It is illegial and things like 
this WILL bring censor ship of the net and I don't think anyone wants that.
Gaylord Cooper



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From: marmagal@netvision.net.il (Martin)
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"dinoffs" <dinoff@redrose.net> wrote:

>Why would any architect who cares the slightest for those who use their
>buildings design a transparent set of steps?  

>Stair users need to be able to accurately identify where to place their
>feet on a stair.  If they can't they will fall.  This is pretty basic stuff
>just like not making slippery stairs.

>This is the kind of gratuitous and ill conceived design that gives the
>profession a bad name.  
>-- 
>Larry Dinoff   AIA                                    dinoff@redrose.net
>Lancaster, PA

I think the original poster asked about glass stairs, and a 'suspended
in the air' look. No mention of the word 'TRANSPARENT'.
Glass and transparent are not sinonymous. Actually, the few glass
stairs that i saw (in photographs only) were translucent opaque glass.
cheers,

p.s.: its transparent walls thats giving the profession the bad name
:-) <g>



--
Martin



From silly59366@aol.com Sat Sep 14 13:40:37 EDT 1996
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I am currently doing a project for my studio class concerning kiosks or
more precisely information centers.  I am experiencing mucho difficulty
finding any sources.  If there is anyone who can refer me to some source
or at least point me in the right direction, I would be very thankful :)

As of now I don't even know what I have to look up to find "kiosks" so any
feedback will be much appreciated!

thank you


From hunting@tigger.jvnc.net Sat Sep 14 13:40:38 EDT 1996
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From: Eric Hunting <hunting@tigger.jvnc.net>
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I recently caught a glance at an article in a recent architecture
journal concerning an unusual house design developed at 'Catholic
University'. The house was a project of two professors and their
students which was intended to demonstrate '21st Century' housing
design. What was unusual about the house was its construction primarily
of tubular steel frame, metal panel, and insulated glass. It was also
designed for transportability and used a combination of photovoltaic and
windmill power, an external 'battery shack' being one of the features of
the structure. The article noted that this demonstration house was
intended for show at various museums about the US. Alas, this is about
all the detail this article provided. It did not specifify exactly which
'Catholic University' was the srouce of the project, where in the
country it was initially built, or any specific sites where it was being
shown. I'd appreciate it if anyone familiar with this unusual project
could send me additional information, ideally some contact info for the
project itself.

Thank you,

Eric Hunting

hunting@tigger.jvnc.net

Your MaNiAs _become_ SCIENCE!


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From: chinagc@ix.netcom.com (Longtian Wang)
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Stop by at
http://www.china-guide.com/fengshui.htm
China Guide-The Gateway to Chinese Culture!
http://www.china-guide.com/



From prosa@crosslink.net Sun Sep 15 10:51:17 EDT 1996
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In article <517kb5$29i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> silly59366@aol.com (Silly59366) writes:
>From: silly59366@aol.com (Silly59366)
>Subject: Kiosks live again...
>Date: 11 Sep 1996 20:09:09 -0400

>I am currently doing a project for my studio class concerning kiosks or
>more precisely information centers.  I am experiencing mucho difficulty
>finding any sources.  If there is anyone who can refer me to some source
>or at least point me in the right direction, I would be very thankful :)

>As of now I don't even know what I have to look up to find "kiosks" so any
>feedback will be much appreciated!

>thank you

The National Park Service's Denver Service Center has done quite a bit of work 
in this area.  They have a hierarchy of web pages and if you do a web search 
their master page should lead you to Denver or at least a means to query them 
to find the right folks.  Good luck.   Paul



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In article <32356D49.561F@wcla.com>, chad_b@wcla.com wrote:

>Perhaps you could toy a little more with the transparency effect. Cut
>grooves along the upperface of the glass tread.  Insert a material that
>will provide for traction.  If the material were a noticably deep and
>wide it would appear that they were floating in space.  It would add to
>the allusion and provide some focus for the user.
>
Whoah!
A great way to create stress concentrations in the glass!
-- 
Department Architectural & Design Science
University of Sydney, G04
NSW  2006
Australia
Vox: 61 2 351 5603  Fax: 61 2 351 3031
"These things too shall pass away"


From jfbjr@aol.com Sun Sep 15 10:51:19 EDT 1996
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In article <3233192F.7BC6@pacbell.net>, Ken <Archken@pacbell.net> writes:

>I will be purchasing a HP inkjet plotter soon to connect to my Mac.
>
>There are at least two plotter drivers software available for the 
>Mac---GDT PowerPlot and Microspot MacPlot.  They both claim 
>compatibility with most plotters, including the HP 330 inkjet.
>
>

We have been using Microspot's MacPlot with an HP DesignJet 650C and it
works fine. Most of our CAD work on the Mac is done using MiniCAD, though
we use AutoCAD on the Mac as well. We have added the Postscript option as
well as the HP JetDirect Card for network connections. The JetDirect makes
the HP visible on the Apple network like any other Mac printer. You set
pen assignments from MacPlot and it handles background spooling.

As for needing the Postscript option for Mac compataiblity, I am not sure,
but I do think its necessary. I think Macs need the Postscript language to
communicate.

John Benware
Schafer Associates


From ndy61074@cbn.net.id Sun Sep 15 10:51:21 EDT 1996
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Saya mahasiswa arsitektur di Jakarta, saya membuttuhkan data-data tentang
arsitektur kolonial di Jakarta, khususnya di daerah Sunda Kelapa--> Roa
Malaka. Yang lebih spesifik lagi, apa yang dapat menghidupkan daerah
tersebut karena di sana mayoritas adalah gudang. Saya membutuhkan beberapa
saran untuk tugas yang sedang saya kerjakan. Rasanya sebelum menjadi
guedang Roa Malaka adalah benteng belanda. Apakah arsitektur kolonial yang
kira-kira cocok untuk daerah tersebut agar kesan wajah kota lama tetap
hidup? Aktivitas apa yang dapat menyemarakan dan menghidupkan kembali
daerah tersebut? 

Saran-saran yang diberikan dapat dikirim ke ndy61074@cbn.net.id   Terima
kasih sebelumnya.






From j0h7453@tam2000.tamu.edu Sun Sep 15 10:51:22 EDT 1996
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On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, wendy wrote:

> Saya mahasiswa arsitektur di Jakarta, saya membuttuhkan data-data tentang
> arsitektur kolonial di Jakarta, khususnya di daerah Sunda Kelapa--> Roa
> Malaka. Yang lebih spesifik lagi, apa yang dapat menghidupkan daerah
> tersebut karena di sana mayoritas adalah gudang. Saya membutuhkan beberapa
> saran untuk tugas yang sedang saya kerjakan. Rasanya sebelum menjadi

Cuma curious aja, hemm.. mami or papimu arsitek ya...
Kok tumben aja anak cowok masuk Arsitek...
Kalo mahasiswi mah, gue minta kenalan.. tapi ini mah
mahasiswa.. sihhh
Hem... ada baeknya elu rajin2 masuk ke library deh.. untuk nyari info yang
kamu cari.  Atau sekalian ke Museum fatahillah deh.
Good Luck deh,,,,.......


From mchester@utdallas.edu Sun Sep 15 10:51:23 EDT 1996
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SHLEM wrote:
> 
> Ed Ough wrote:
> >
> > I'm Canadian and I really don't give a flying f*** about your
> > election.   Why don't you morons get an intelligent thought and post
> > your articles in the appropriate place (not alt.aquaria or many of the
> > other newsgroups that this cross post ends up in).
> >
> > Ed
> 
>         Canadians are like Americans, except without the guns.
> I say that with pride, as an American.
> 
>         I advise a bit more diplomacy on your part, or one of these days
> we might just muster up our Salvation Army to go up there and get us
> states #51, 52, and 53.  You can keep Quebec...hell, you couldn't give them
> away.

This has NOTHING to do with alt.aquaria...but it is FUNNY as HELL! 

There is nothing wrong with Quebec that 750kt nominal yield can't cure.

-- 
\  /
 \/enger
http://www.utdallas.edu/~mchester/
mailto:mchester@utdallas.edu


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On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:19:23 +0700, "wendy" <ndy61074@cbn.net.id>
wrote:

>Saya mahasiswa arsitektur di Jakarta, saya membuttuhkan data-data tentang
>arsitektur kolonial di Jakarta, khususnya di daerah Sunda Kelapa--> Roa
>Malaka. Yang lebih spesifik lagi, apa yang dapat menghidupkan daerah
>tersebut karena di sana mayoritas adalah gudang. Saya membutuhkan beberapa
>saran untuk tugas yang sedang saya kerjakan. Rasanya sebelum menjadi
>guedang Roa Malaka adalah benteng belanda. Apakah arsitektur kolonial yang
>kira-kira cocok untuk daerah tersebut agar kesan wajah kota lama tetap
>hidup? Aktivitas apa yang dapat menyemarakan dan menghidupkan kembali
>daerah tersebut? 
>
>Saran-saran yang diberikan dapat dikirim ke ndy61074@cbn.net.id   Terima
>kasih sebelumnya.
>
>
>
>

Maybe you can post a question in Dutch newsgroups.
Good luck.



--* Murmur rules! *--


From palladio@sympatico.ca Wed Sep 25 13:31:45 EDT 1996
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Robert Anderson wrote:
> 
> In article <01bb9b49$5c258020$LocalHost@tech-1>, "Eric"
> <Landsknekt@io-online.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
> > US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
> > glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look.
> > Thanks...
> >                                                 Eric
> 
> Even if this could be acheived structurally (and I suspect it could), the
> slipperiness of glass could be a real hazard. I doubt you'd get a building
> official to approve such a detail. And anything you could use to provide
> traction would detract from transparency.
> 
> Maybe some things just aren't meant to be done.
> 
> BTW, if you DO get a bldg official to approve this, and your client just
> insists on it, I recommend you get your client to write you a
> 'indemnification and hold harmless' letter. Think long and hard about
> this.The Art Gallery of Ontario in Toronto has a spiral staircase with glass treads in its new wing.
I am sure that legal implications are different in Canada but the building codes are probably just as tough.
Good luck



From plonewolf@aol.com Wed Sep 25 13:31:46 EDT 1996
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There is a dome mail list at bit.listserv.geodesic. Also a web search with
just "dome" will give you a good start. There are "lots" of dome home guys
out now that have been in business for 10+ years. Oregon dome comes to
mind but there are others. Hope this helps.
Pierre A. Lonewolf
Lonewolf Communications
KOTZ-AM
Kotzebue, Alaska 99752


From aab@cichlid.com Wed Sep 25 13:31:47 EDT 1996
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From: aab@cichlid.com (Andy Burgess)
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Nick Pine writes:

>John W. Moffett <j.w.moffett@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>>I live in New Jersey with a well shaded pool.  Have nice sunny roof and 
>>would like to use solar to warm up the pool by 10 degrees.

>How about floating two dozen $16 2' x 8' x 2" thick pieces of Styrofoam on the
>pool, 

<actual heater idea deleted, good one Nick!>

An idea for insulating pools is to float styrofoam spheres (1-2 inches
in diameter or so, a couple of spheres deep). That way you insulate and can 
still swim without messing with the insulation. I don't know if styrofoam 
popcorn used for packing would work -- might saturate and sink but worth 
experimenting with outside the pool perhaps.

Even air filled plastic balls would help insulate and allow pool use.

Good luck.
-- 
Best regards,
Andy Burgess
aab@cichlid.com


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In article <01bb9b49$5c258020$LocalHost@tech-1>, "Eric"
<Landsknekt@io-online.com> wrote:

> Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the
> US?  The treads that we are proposing would have no wire inbeded into the
> glass, which we are hoping will provide the suspended in air look. 
> Thanks...
>                                                 Eric

Want me to look into asking Canadian contracters?


From @enter.net Wed Sep 25 13:31:50 EDT 1996
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   I can provide you with a list of every newspaper in every state in the
United 
   States.  

   If you are serious about advertising your product or service then you
need to 
   know where to advertise and the best newspapers in each state to advertise 
   in!  

   I will send you a list of every paper in each state you request.  I
will also 
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   I will tell you if the paper comes out daily, weekly, or monthly.  

   I will also give you the necessary information for you to get in
contact the                    
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   Send $4.00 for each State you would like.  
                      Send a self addressed stamped envelope to:
                          Brad Hundley
                          P.O. Box 452
                          Souderton Pa,18964

     
   For $45.00 plus $3.00 for mailing costs I can provide you with a list
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Alaska.
If you are serious about advertising your product or service then you need to 
                                 WHERE TO ADVERTISE!!


From plowrigh@unixg.ubc.ca Wed Sep 25 13:31:51 EDT 1996
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From: plowrigh@unixg.ubc.ca (Philip Plowright)
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Subject: Discussion/Debate: Architecture, technology & the Infoban
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“House of Microsoft mogul Bill Gates, Seattle. The interior wall
panels are not what they seem. They turn out to be huge, flat video
screens. In repose they simulate the surfaces of standard
architectural materials, but activated they become electronic windows
opening onto anything at all. Architectural solids and voids become
fluidly interchangeable, and the usual relationship of interior to
exterior space is twisted into jaw-dropping paradox."(William Mitchell
"City of Bits" 1996, P. 33     (Mitchell is Dean of MIT School of
Architecture)

This paragraph can stand in as a symbol for William Mitchell’s
attitude, and many other’s,  on technology, the Infoban and
architecture. (These are presented in his musings on our immediate
future in a collection of binary oppositions titled City of Bits). The
overall language is current, textual representation to the data
society we exist within. Short sentences. Articles are missing. The
‘The’ of the first sentence is removed, extraneous to the information
provided, therefore inefficient and unnecessary. The first sentence is
like an E-mail address. Rewritten it would be house@billgates.seattle,
not billgates@house.seattle for internet addresses are like any other
sentence in English grammer, with the subject (focus of attention)
preceeding the verb (in this case @) and then the object (location).
Place and location are pinpointed for your information, but this is
also extraneous. It is not connected to the subject of walls and fluid
reversal of spacial orientation. The actually physical location of
these walls is ultimately irrelevent, but now the paragraph is
grounded in physical space, and has authority. Of course somebody like
Bill Gates, a modern day sorcerer and almost mythical power, could
design and pay for walls of such realism that they could mimic
reality. These walls no longer exist in the mind of a dreamer but are
in the house of the head of Microsoft in the city of Seattle, in the
State of Washington, United States of America.

So now walls are not made of drywall or wood panel, but become glass -
“huge, flat video screens”. The actual connections that operate and
feed these screens are hidden, encased between the exterior surfaces
of the wall. In repose (off) they look like any other wall. But how
can this be? The language is inferring something that our bodies know
to be false. Glass video screens can not simulate the surfaces of
standard materials, if even only due to the reflection of the glass.
Our eyes are more intelligent than that. Without power, they would
have the same reflective quality as a televison screen. In order to
simulate architectural finishes the screens need to be fed power
constantly, and linked to a computer program which accesses a
directory of bitmap tiles which can cause the wall to look like paint,
or fabric, seemless and matte. Still there is a layer of material
between the eye and the simulation of materiality. Here is an example
of the virtual entering the world of the real, the simulation of
materiality. However, the ultimate flatness of the wall will betray
the suspension of disbelief, and the lack of tactile sensation will
betray the limits of the virtual.

When activated the screen can open onto anything at all, according to
Mitchell. He is using the limitless possibility of scenes to show the
inherent programability of these new wall surfaces. It leads to a
larger misinterpretation of the limits of modern technology.
Technology is the answer to everything, and will solve all the world’s
problems. This is depicted time and time again in popular ficton and
entainment media, from the matter compliers of Neal Stephenson to Star
Trek. Material needs will be eliminated by cheap, abundant energy, and
nanotechnology, which will construct matter electron by proton,
continuously deconstructing and reconstructing the world on a
subatomic level. In our reality, the screens can only access what has
been preprogramed. The possiblities are endless, but within the
ability to store that information and the manpower to actually enter
the  scenes into the system.

The language we use to discribe technology and technological advances
is always more incredulous than the reality of it. Can you image this
fantasic wall described by Mitchell? With a thought, a word, a click,
it dissolves into a portal, or a labrynth. The reality of it is such
that one is taken back, stunned by the eye-twisting, “jaw-dropping
paradox”. What was once interior is now exterior. A wall which
protects and shelters, also reveals a street scene in Cairo,
stretching out into distant vanishing points. This twisting
relationship seemingly does not deny the movement of the human body
into it, for that is what makes it architectural space. Without the
relationship between the solid, the void and the human body, that
space does not exist. A mirror reverses the usual nature of the wall,
creating a visual void in a solid. It also changes as one moves around
it, rotating with viewpoint but it is never mistaken for a physical
aperture. Bill Gates’ wall screens won’t even do that. The edges are
well defined, and viewpoint determined by the orginal device used to
capture the image. Until the next several generations of holographic
projection will this relationship change.

What, ultimately, is never really addressed, is the affect that this
new understanding of the space, by way of virtual reality and the
Internet, will have on the design of physical space and architecture.




From cole@accessone.com Wed Sep 25 13:31:53 EDT 1996
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From: cole <cole@accessone.com>
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Subject: A very interesting thing
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You owe it to yourself to read all of this with an OPEN MIND before
you make any opinions. I'm not going to tell you that you can make
a million trillion dollars, but the bottom line is that people are
making money doing this, and so can you. You only send out 5 bucks. 
All you need is 6 people to respond and you've already made a profit. 
Think about how many people could respond to you - 10? 20? 100? 1000?
50000?? Who knows, but it's going to be alot more than 5, that's for
sure. YOU WILL NOT LOSE!!! So stop being a lamer and just give it a
shot, after you do, you'll be very happy you did. 


Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words, "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST."  (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone;  you're paying for
a legitimate service.)  Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside
each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five
addresses:

 
 1.   Bill Brown
       148 South Downlen #796
       Beaumont, Tx. 77707
 
 2.   Olivier  Arcadipane
        237 rue Francois Andre
        7390 Quaregnon, Belgium
 
 3.    Marco Monet
        409 N.E. 107 St.
        Miami, Florida, USA 33161
 
 4.    Edwin Su
        680 Sylvan Ave, #11
        Mountain View,  CA 94041  USA

 5.    Diana Cole
        9009 Avondale Rd #P131
	Redmond, WA. 98052
	
	

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are at
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    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can.Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

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    Out of every block of 200 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
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    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 200
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    Now these 50 new people will make 200 postings each with your
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    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
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From be417@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 25 13:31:55 EDT 1996
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From: be417@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Robert W. Tom)
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Subject: Re: building a home with STRAW not hay bales
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Nick Pine (nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu) writes:

> Round here, straw is $4.25/bale, ie $1/ft^2, hay is $4.50/bale,
> and 6" R19 fiberglass insulation is 25 cents/ft^2.

...And oranges are four for a buck, which is about as relevant as the above
comparison.

Straw Bales as used in a wall will yield an R-value substantially higher
than the R-19 of the 6" fibreglass batts. (~R-30 to R-50 depending on bale
size and fibre orientation)

Straw Bales function as load-bearing structure as well as insulation so
that the additional elements (and incremental costs) that would necessarily
accompany  fibreglass batts (like double-stud framing to acommodate the
same R-value, multiple diaphragm sheathing etc) should be included in Mr.
Pine's PSF costs.

However, it is in terms of the REAL costs,  embodied energy (EE), that Straw
Bales shine:

Straw Bales (3-string, ~5.3 sf coverage per bale) EE = ~ 1500 Btu/bale 
               or ~280 Btu/sf wall area. 

Compare this to the EE of R38 fibreglass batts which is appallingly higher
at 20,580 Btu/sf. (Don't forget to add the EE of the studs, sheathing etc )

--
Rob  Tom
---------- * ------------
be417@FreeNet.Carleton.ca
Kanata,  Ontario,  Canada



From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Wed Sep 25 13:31:56 EDT 1996
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Andy Burgess <aab@cichlid.com> wrote:
>Nick Pine wrotes about:
 
>>...floating 2 dozen $16 2' x 8' x 2" thick pieces of Styrofoam on the pool, 

Oops. That shoulda been 2 dozen $8 2' x 8' x 2" thick pieces of Styrofoam.
Still a lot of stuff to get out of the way when you want to go for a swim.

><actual heater idea deleted, good one Nick!>

Thank you :-)

>An idea for insulating pools is to float styrofoam spheres (1-2 inches
>in diameter or so, a couple of spheres deep). That way you insulate and can 
>still swim without messing with the insulation.

You can? Hmmm. Underwater, maybe.

>I don't know if styrofoam popcorn used for packing would work -- might
>saturate and sink but worth experimenting with outside the pool perhaps.

I think that popcorn is more like beadboard than Styrofoam, 
ie, white, not blue or pink. Oh wait, I've seen pink...
Would a lot of kids probably swallow the popcorn and drown?

>Even air filled plastic balls would help insulate and allow pool use.

One place I worked used ping-pong balls to cover their IC boiling bath.

How about putting the popcorn in a heat-sealed polyethylene film pillow? 

Or filling the pillow with soap bubbles, and squeezing them out through
a filter to break them down into 200 times less liquid by volume when
the pillow is rolled up?

Nick



From kgorski@cibola.net Wed Sep 25 13:31:57 EDT 1996
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From: Ken Gorski <kgorski@cibola.net>
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Subject: Re: Glass Stair treads
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I really don't know what the problem is regarding glass treads..We have 
used them in stair runs..space frames spanning 12'x36', solid glass, 
glass block...go back to your architectural classes in studying strength 
of materials regarding, glass in compression and tension...piece of cake 
buddy..also light them from behind, under etc...if your client can 
afford it try sold glass, or glass thats security tested, pref. frosted 
for use...the options are unlimited eric...good luck...ken arch.,tx reg.


From samson@pavilion.co.uk Wed Sep 25 13:31:58 EDT 1996
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From: samson@pavilion.co.uk (samson)
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Subject: Airport Passenger Terminal Design
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Request for Information on Airport Passenger Terminal Design

I am studying Interior Architecture and Design at The Nottingham Trent University in
England. I have chosen to research and write about Airport Design for my final years'
14,000 word dissertation. It is impossible to fully research this subject solely through
books and journals. As an impoverished student(!) I cannot afford the expense of
travelling the world visiting airports so I am relying on various approaches including the
Internet to get help and information from anyone who is prepared to assist.

I am investigating communication methods and how people orientate themselves within
airport terminals. I have narrowed this down to four principal areas: Structure, Colour
and Light, Interior Design and Signage. I am now analysing these separately with the
aim of discovering what attributes each area can bring to aid passenger orientation and
communication.

Assistance is requested from anyone who has any experience, observations or opinions
about the following questions relating to airport design. If you can eMail me with with
your answers your response would be very much appreciated.

1. Can an Architect create a happy medium between those who see architecture from
the outside eg those arriving by aeroplane but also providing interesting, yet clear
interior spaces?

2. It has been said that airports lack "the structured and enjoyable experience that
catching a boat or plane once had." Is this true?

3. In today's airports retail is given a high priority. Would you like to see less emphasis
on retail and more emphasis on travel or are these areas to closely integrated to allow
separation?

4. "The route from surface to air travel was always conceived as linear and clear". Is this
the ultimate aim of an airport?

5. I believe that there are two schools of thought related to airport structure. a) The use
of simple forms unrelated to air travel eg Stansted, and b) Those who relate the building
to forms associated with air travel eg Kansai. Can both these ideas work equally as
well?

6. "If you put (people) in an environment as antiseptic as a supermarket and bombard
them with canned music and canned announcements they go into a stubborn zombie-like
trance". This is one view on the problems of some of the world's older airports. Do
new airports behave in this manner or not?

If you are prepared to leave your name, position, company/practice and country it would
be most helpful. Any of the above information given will be included in my dissertation
unless you say otherwise and then I will include only your country of residence and
position. Please eMail me on -                     samson@pavilion.co.uk.

GENERAL INFORMATION REQUEST

-    Has anyone experience of working on any areas of design, furbishment or
refurbishment of any airport in the World and be prepared to answer some questions
about the airport.

-    Can anyone give me any names and contact numbers/addresses of anyone who
has worked on any of the terminals below (especially the name and address of the
architects' practice that designed them) or any other airport terminal. I would like to
contact them and ask them if they would answer some questions.

          Kansai
          Stuttgart
          Roissy I and II
          Schipol
          JFK
          Hamburg
          Graz

-    Lastly can anyone recommend any good books, magazine articles; can anyone
lend/give me any pictures or photos possible relevant to my dissertation or have any
other information or ideas that I could possibly use or follow up on?

Again my eMail address -                      samson@pavilion.co.uk.

Thank you very much for reading this and I hope you will be able to help me as I would
like to include as much primary research as possible within my dissertation.

Carrie


From piette@pacific.net.sg Wed Sep 25 13:31:59 EDT 1996
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Robert Anderson wrote:
> 
> In article <01bb9b49$5c258020$LocalHost@tech-1>, "Eric"
> <Landsknekt@io-online.com> wrote:
> 
> Does any architects know if glass stair treads have been installed in the US?.....

Robert,

The house I'm living in here in Singapore uses something that could be
useful to you. We have suspended glass "bridges" to connect one side of
our townhouse, or shophouse, as it's called in Asia to the other. These
bridges are custom fabricated steel grids, painted, that provide a
framework into which double thickness etched safety glass is laid. This
glass has a sandwich of plastic film between two sheets. Foam tape
cushions footsteps across the span of the bridge. We all negotiate this
pretty easily. But it has to be cleaned daily. The glass is smooth, not
textured. The fire inspector required special fire sensors to be
installed to pass this design. But is wonderful at night and during the
day when light passes into the center of this tall thin house.

I'm glad to see your interesting design question posted on this group. I
hope to see more like it.

Cheers,
Mary Piette


From kging@efn.org Wed Sep 25 13:32:00 EDT 1996
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From: Kathy Ging <kging@efn.org>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: building a home with STRAW not hay bales
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 06:15:29 -0700
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Pls. get the term straight - hay has seeds in it from what I hear!

You might want to subscribe (free) to the straw bale construction 
newsgroup:
To subscribe to the strawbale mailing list, send an email to
                        majordomo@crest.org
        with the message:

                        subscribe strawbale
        If you'd prefer the digest form, make the message:
                        subscribe strawbale-digest
You get a lot of ms. on the regular list - with the digest
you get one ms a day.

ALSO - DTT - Design Topic Threads have been introduced lately
in which selected topics are highlighted and messages regarding
that topic are synopsized.

OUT ON BALE (un) LTD.  publishes The Last Straw, PO Box 42000 Tucson
AZ  85733  520-624-1673 - newsletter packed with info. Checks or
money orders  $28/year in US, $33/yr in Canada, $43/yr (other).
I think the summer issue may include a list of resource persons around
the country. You might consider hosting a strawbale workshop in your
area; numerous folks will travel to provide workshop training.

Kathy Ging  Secretary, NW Eco-Building Guild, Eugene chapter,
Realtor with an ORGANIC Vision
**       
On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Charles F. Starck wrote:
> David Hubbell wrote:
> > Does anybody know where I can get info on home building with hay bails?
> try www.strawhomes.com for starters. Also might do a websearch for
> strawbale homes;
> regards       charles
 




From chad_b@wcla.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:01 EDT 1996
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From: Chad Berreau <chad_b@wcla.com>
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Subject: Re: building a home with STRAW not hay bales
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:40:51 -0500
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To: Kathy Ging <kging@efn.org>

The real difference between hay and straw is partial type of vegetation
harvested from and mostly at which stage it was cut.  Straw typically
comes from wheat oats and others in this family of crops.  
The straw is actually the reminants from harvesting the seeds.  But more
importantly the plant is no longer growing (ie. dead) and the so the
material is relatively dry (no moisture).  
Where as hay is cut green and while left to dry prior to baling will
still retain a higher level of moisture.

cheers,
chad

Kathy Ging wrote:
> 
> Pls. get the term straight - hay has seeds in it from what I hear!
> 

> On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Charles F. Starck wrote:
> > David Hubbell wrote:
> > > Does anybody know where I can get info on home building with hay bails?
> > try www.strawhomes.com for starters. Also might do a websearch for
> > strawbale homes;
> > regards       charles
>


From kwoklin@singnet.com.sg Wed Sep 25 13:32:02 EDT 1996
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From: kwoklin@singnet.com.sg (Hee Kwok Lin)
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I need to find artchitecture students from NUS, both present and past.

Any artchitect's help would be greatly appreciated too.

If U are one, PLEASE contact me at kwoklin@singnet.com.sg

I DESPERATELY NEED TO CONTACT U THROUGH EMAIL!!!.

I need to ask U a few questions actually.

THANKS IN ADVANCE!!! =)



From Tlshell@concentric.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:03 EDT 1996
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Why don't you just make a solid stairway of glass bricks and put rubber
treads on the part people walk on. I shudder to imagine small children, for
example, falling on glass and needing the glass shards taken out of their
faces.
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* http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell/             *
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From Tlshell@concentric.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:04 EDT 1996
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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, it was written:

>In article <01bb9acc$fa9204e0$452aefcc@tci-wetherow>, 
>wetherow@qb.island.net says...
>>
>>The city of the future will be _inclusive_, will identify and mobilize 
>the
>>gifts and capacities of each of its members.  One architectural 
>implication
>>is universal accessability -- a fundamental commitment to wheelchair
>>access, accessability by persons with vision impairments, etc.
>>
>>Dave Wetherow & Faye Buchanan
>>The Community Institute
>
>
>come on a futute world will have cured such things...

Not if you want it in your lifetime...besides, I think there'll always be
accidents of one kind or another, as well as simple old age.
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From specter@winternet.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:06 EDT 1996
Article: 8026 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: "specter" <specter@winternet.com>
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Subject: Re: Xanadome info ?
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Kevin Kilman <lurker@advant.com> wrote in article
<lurker-1209960357030001@ccinews.ccinet.net>...
> A freind wants to build a dome home and I am trying to find
> a company that used to be called Xanadome.

	I don't know about the actual company, but the Xanadu attraction at
Wisconsin Dells to my best knowledge has been destroyed.  I have seen adds
in the back of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics referring to a company
that makes these Dome homes.  Although economically sound, and after
completed they are earth friendly, I have heard that the materials used to
build these domes are extremely toxic, and super bad for the environment. 
Hope I helped in some way.



From bcook@atcon.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:07 EDT 1996
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Agus Burianto wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:19:23 +0700, "wendy" <ndy61074@cbn.net.id>
> wrote:
> 
> >Saya mahasiswa arsitektur di Jakarta, saya membuttuhkan data-data tentang
> >arsitektur kolonial di Jakarta, khususnya di daerah Sunda Kelapa--> Roa
> >Malaka. Yang lebih spesifik lagi, apa yang dapat menghidupkan daerah
> >tersebut karena di sana mayoritas adalah gudang. Saya membutuhkan beberapa
> >saran untuk tugas yang sedang saya kerjakan. Rasanya sebelum menjadi
> >guedang Roa Malaka adalah benteng belanda. Apakah arsitektur kolonial yang
> >kira-kira cocok untuk daerah tersebut agar kesan wajah kota lama tetap
> >hidup? Aktivitas apa yang dapat menyemarakan dan menghidupkan kembali
> >daerah tersebut?
> >
> >Saran-saran yang diberikan dapat dikirim ke ndy61074@cbn.net.id   Terima
> >kasih sebelumnya.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Maybe you can post a question in Dutch newsgroups.
> Good luck.
> 
> --* Murmur rules! *--

Cari aja di lib.TU.Delft.( www.library.tudelft.nl )kalu ngak tanya sama
Prof.DR.Ing. Herzberger ,beliau yang paling mengetahui tentang Arch. di 
Jakarta,buaaanyak, terus eluu mampir2 di TU Eindhovend, mungkin 
TU.Aachen. Sejarahnya sebagian besar ada di Univercity of Leiden tentang 
ekonomie di Zaman tsb ada di Erasmus Univ. Rotterdam.
Boleh juga lihat di www.ei.org/eihomepage/village/
Semoga sukses !!!!!!!


From ARCASIA7@pusdata.dprin.go.id Wed Sep 25 13:32:10 EDT 1996
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The ARCASIA Programme
Jakarta - Indonesia

September 23, 1996

09.00    Opening & Arcasia Council Meeting
10.30    Coffe Break
10.45    ARCASIA Council Meeting
         ACAE Meeting
12.00    Lunch
13.00    ARCASIA Council Meeting
         ACAE Meeting
14.30    Coffee Break
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         ACAE Meeting
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September 24, 1996

09.00    ARCASIA Council Meeting
         ACAE Meeting
         Head & Dean of Architecture Forum
10.30    Coffe Break
10.45    ARCASIA Council Meeting
         ACAE Meeting
         Head & Dean of Architecture Forum
12.00    Lunch
13.00    ARCASIA Council Meeting
         ACAE Meeting
         Head & Dean of Architecture Forum
14.30    Coffee Break
14.45    ARCASIA Council Meeting & Closing
17.00    Closing of the day
19.00    Dinner

---
for further info:
arcasia7@pusdata.dprin.go.id
Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From jestany@idirect.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:11 EDT 1996
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In article <51kpn8$5vi@news2.delphi.com>, ARCASIA7@pusdata.dprin.go.id 
says...
>
>
>The ARCASIA Programme
>Jakarta - Indonesia
>
>September 23, 1996
>
>09.00    Opening & Arcasia Council Meeting
>10.30    Coffe Break
>10.45    ARCASIA Council Meeting
>         ACAE Meeting
>12.00    Lunch
>13.00    ARCASIA Council Meeting
>         ACAE Meeting
>14.30    Coffee Break
>14.45    ARCASIA Council Meeting
>         ACAE Meeting
>17.00    Closing of the day
>19.00    Dinner Hosted by Mr. Ciputra
>
>September 24, 1996
>
>09.00    ARCASIA Council Meeting
>         ACAE Meeting
>         Head & Dean of Architecture Forum
>10.30    Coffe Break
>10.45    ARCASIA Council Meeting
>         ACAE Meeting
>         Head & Dean of Architecture Forum
>12.00    Lunch
>13.00    ARCASIA Council Meeting
>         ACAE Meeting
>         Head & Dean of Architecture Forum
>14.30    Coffee Break
>14.45    ARCASIA Council Meeting & Closing
>17.00    Closing of the day
>19.00    Dinner
>
>---
>for further info:
>arcasia7@pusdata.dprin.go.id
>Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive

pusdata's as important as a blood test
How's our friend George, canadian lover of indonesian virgins ?
 



From tegan@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:13 EDT 1996
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From: tegan@ix.netcom.com (Terry Egan)
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Subject: Re: Xanadome info ?
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"specter" <specter@winternet.com> remodulated the electrons, thusly:

>Kevin Kilman <lurker@advant.com> wrote in article
><lurker-1209960357030001@ccinews.ccinet.net>...
>> A freind wants to build a dome home and I am trying to find
>> a company that used to be called Xanadome.
>
>	I don't know about the actual company, but the Xanadu attraction at
>Wisconsin Dells to my best knowledge has been destroyed.  I have seen adds
>in the back of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics referring to a company
>that makes these Dome homes.  Although economically sound, and after
>completed they are earth friendly, I have heard that the materials used to
>build these domes are extremely toxic, and super bad for the environment. 
>Hope I helped in some way.
>

	I also don't recall the Xanadome outfit, but here is a website that has many
manufactories:

	http://www.dnaco.net/~michael/domes/

In opposition to what you have heard, I have heard quite the opposite as regards
toxicity; in fact, many of these company pride themselves on how 'green'
they and their designs are.



From anthonyb@winshop.com.au Wed Sep 25 13:32:15 EDT 1996
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From: Anthony Blake <anthonyb@winshop.com.au>
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*** THE LIGHT SPEED GRAPHICS WEB SITE IS NOW ON-LINE ***

My name is Anthony Blake and I would like you to come and enjoy what
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Here is a list of features that you will find:

- 3D Graphics & Animation
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There is a lot more to come so please visit often.

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From kilborn@bosshog.arts.uwo.ca Wed Sep 25 13:32:17 EDT 1996
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From pk@geoprobe.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:19 EDT 1996
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BarCharlie wrote:
> 
> good morning;
> i understand your points but here in italy we have a very big campaign
> in favour of bob dole and many of the arguments mentioned are by fare 
> better than the clinton ones;
> can you tell me what is wrong with it
> thanks
> giorgio


At least Dole isn't a coward, draft-dodger, womanizer, liar, drug
peddler, small time con artist, big time con artist, drug user, rapist,
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In <3234651B.109@holli.com> Dan Bollinger <critters@holli.com> writes:

>Now that you have brought up your concern, what suggestions do you have 
>to make glass stair treads work?  How can you make them successful?

  Add features that make them visible in the dark, non-slippery, not
easily broken. In other words, not like glass.

Dan, where are you experiencing a market demand for stairs made out of
frangible, invisible, slippery materials?


From kgorski@cibola.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:22 EDT 1996
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Hi Eric...

Eric we use glass block for space frame flooring systems, glass tile in 
floors, canterlevered installations for floors, stairs, usw, over 
fountains with water flows,..if i can help you with a specific situation 
you can send a fax with a sketch and I would be glad to mark up or 
comment about it..remembering that glass is great in compression and 
not tension strengths..early archtitecture studies...ken   
fax 915.585.8382


From kging@efn.org Wed Sep 25 13:32:23 EDT 1996
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CRBT OFFERS BUILDING MATERIAL GUIDE

Builder Steve Loken founded the Missoula, Montana-based organization 
called the Center for Resourceful Building 
Technology (CRBT) in 1990. CRBT is a clearinghouse for new 
building material ideas. Loken's own demonstration
home features slate-like roofing made from recycled wood fiber
and concrete, siding from recovered wood fiber and cement, and 
wall tile recycled from car windshields. His energy efficient house has a 
furnace, but it stays comfortable in winter with just
ambient and solar heat. 

The Center publishes a 110-page "Guide to Resource Efficient 
Building Elements" for $25 (plus $3
shipping and handling) from CRBT, Dept P, PO Box 100, Missoula 
MT 59806.-  Parade Magazine, 3/3, 1996, p. 4, by Seth Shulman.

This outfit has a lot of interesting green products and a catalog:
Environmental Construction Outfitters, 44 Crosby St.,  6th Fl New York NY 
10012 212-334-9659; 800-238-5008; fax: 212-226-8084

NW Eco-Building Guild 217 Ninth Ave. N Seattle  WA 98109  206-622-8350 
has a directory and a quarterly journal  206-622-8350.
$45 yr or $20 student. (Eugene has a chapter under this.)

IRIS UPDATES REDI-PRODUCT DATABASE
Iris Communications has released REDI 96, a newly updated green building 
products database. REDI 96 identifies companies that offer recycled 
content, energy and water saving, and low toxicity
products. Iris Communications offers the database as a book or 
disk for $49. For more information email iris@irisinc.com. Iris also 
offers free use of REDI 96 on the World Wide Web
at http://www.oikos.com.   - Green Design, Winter 1996, p. 10.
Iris in its redi guide has 1700 green products on line.

Real Goods Trading Corporation,
Products & Information for Energy Independence Since 1978:
555 Leslie Street, Ukiah, California,
95482  orders  800-762-7325 realgood@realgoods.com
fax  707-468-9394   http://www/well.com/user/realgood/
business  707-468-9292.  In Eugene: Real Goods, 77  W  Broadway
97401  541-334-6960.

Subscribe free to Greenclips even if one is not an AOL member:
GreenClips@aol.com GreenClips is a summary of recent articles in the
media on sustainable building design - green architecture - and related 
government and business issues. This digital news digest is published 
every two weeks. 
Architectural researcher and environmental consultant Chris Hammer of
Sustainable Design Resources publishes GreenClips in San Francisco. Ms.
Hammer helps building owners, designers, builders, and facility managers
practice sustainable building design, construction, and operation. For more
information about her expertise and services call 415.928.7941.

Two Internet sites host GreenClips archives for reference and research:
http://solstice.crest.org/sustainable/greenclips/info.html
gopher://gopher.igc.apc.org/11/environment/pubs
EcoNet's gopher archive of GreenClips is Eco-Network's 1995 "Coolest Digital
News Digest Gopher Site"!

Another favorite:  Environmental Building News -
excellent, and they have a handy bibliography of books and pubs.
RR 1, Box 161 Brattleboro, VT 05301 tel: 802-257-7300; 257-7304  fax .   
$60 a yr. Back issues available - one on strawbale.

Building with Nature, newsletter by Carol Venolia, architect,
author of book, Healing Environments POB 369 Gualala, CA 95445
707-884-4513. One issue was on strawbale.

Environmental Building Supplies 1314 NW NORTHRUP Portland  OR
97209 tel:503-222-3881 fax: 541-222-3756
- a more local version of the NY company (different companies)
- visit their warehouse if you go to Portland

B. J. Harris, The Harris Directory, Stafford-Harris, Inc.
218 Polk Street #326,Port Townsend, WA 98368 (360) 279-8541 (new numbers 
7/96). Extensive  list of recycled-content building products & materials, 
updated every 6 mos.  Available for all computer platforms, in database & 
>spread-sheet formats. Price includes semi-annual update.  DOS or MAC -$69
database. Shipping additional.

9/96 Sustainable Systems Support has many resources available
on straw bale construction. Steens  Book *The Straw Bale House*, 
their own Videos: *The Elegant Solution* and a How To called *How To 
Build Your Elegant Home with Straw Bales.* They carry Matts Myhrman & 
Steve McDonald*s Build it With Bales. They also have a brochure with 14 
home designs for sb construction called the Plan Booklet, and much more.

Sustainable Systems Support has produced a comprehensive 90 minute 
*How-To*video for straw bale construction, made for the owner-builder. 
The video comes with a 60 page design and construction manual.  This 
package addresses both load-bearing and post-and-beam techniques, and 
provides clear footage of each step, abundant illustrations, recipes, and 
discussions of principles, options, and other sustainable elements 
throughout.  The video is divided 
into different phases, including: design guidelines, foundation, bale 
wall-raising, top plate and roof, electrical, stucco/plaster, and 
finishing touches.  He and his partner Carol Escott put this together in 
1994 in response to a need, and distilled down their experience building 
over 25 straw bale homes since 1988.

Get it from the for $59 plus $5 shipping and handling by writing:
  Sustainable Systems Support
        P.O. Box 318       Bisbee, AZ 85603

(Someone got the video and applauded it - different from Strawbale II 
which is a montage of interviews with SB home owners - including
2 separate women who built their homes for 10k each!)

Maybe put an ad in the paper and collect names of those who
want to exchange work credits. And/or hold a workshop which
is the way a lot of people get their houses half or totally built.

These folks do workshops (as do many others):
GreenFire Institute 1509 Queen Anne Ave  N #606 Seattle  WA
98109  206-284-7470 Ted Buchart 206-284-7470.
Peg Roberts at the Greenfire Institute:
email:pegrobs@aol.com

Thomas J. Hahn, Jr. RA, president  602-257-9635
tomhahn@lgc.apc.org
architecture building consulting for resource efficiency
         The Last Straw - The Journal of Straw Bale Construction
               P.O. Box 42000, Tucson, AZ  85733-2000, USA
        (520) 882-3848            thelaststraw@igc.apc.org (email)
Make checks or money orders payable to
  ($28/year in US, $33/yr in Canada, $43/yr other)
520-624-1673  - I think they just published an issue that has
resources of people around the country who have permitted their
names to be used.

It is free to subscribe to the strawbale mailing list, send an email to
                        majordomo@crest.org
        with the message:
                        subscribe strawbale
        If you'd prefer the digest form, make the message:
                        subscribe strawbale-digest

 Kathy Ging  Secretary, NW Eco-Building Guild, Eugene chapter
 Realtor with an ORGANIC vision   541-342-8461  kging@efn.org




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From ilu300@freenet.mb.ca Wed Sep 25 13:32:26 EDT 1996
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From: Fred Gobeil <ilu300@freenet.mb.ca>
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Subject: Re: building a home with STRAW not hay bales
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Does it matter what kind of straw you use for building??
I just bought some flax straw bales to use as the walls of a pole frame 
garage for $.40 per bale. These where last years bales, new bales would 
cost $.75 each. Hay is about $2.00/bale are we talking about the same 
size of bales aprox. 18"X16"X36"  ??

Fred Gobeil <ilu300@freenet.mb.ca>

On 13 Sep 1996, Nick Pine wrote:

> <VERHEY@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> wrote:
> 
> >...hay is (or should be) at least 3X more expensive than straw.
> 
> Round here, straw is $4.25/bale, ie $1/ft^2, hay is $4.50/bale,
> and 6" R19 fiberglass insulation is 25 cents/ft^2.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 


From jimfrizz@iol.ie Wed Sep 25 13:32:28 EDT 1996
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From: jimfrizz@iol.ie (Seamus)
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aab@cichlid.com (Andy Burgess)  gave  that:

>Nick Pine writes:
>
>>John W. Moffett <j.w.moffett@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>>I live in New Jersey with a well shaded pool.  Have nice sunny roof and 
>>>would like to use solar to warm up the pool by 10 degrees.
>
>>How about floating two dozen $16 2' x 8' x 2" thick pieces of Styrofoam on the
>>pool, 
>
><actual heater idea deleted, good one Nick!>
>
>An idea for insulating pools is to float styrofoam spheres (1-2 inches
>in diameter or so, a couple of spheres deep). That way you insulate and can 
>still swim without messing with the insulation. I don't know if styrofoam 
>popcorn used for packing would work -- might saturate and sink but worth 
>experimenting with outside the pool perhaps.
>
>Even air filled plastic balls would help insulate and allow pool use.
>
>Good luck.
>-- 
	Yes, I found that it sinks or becomes sticky, saturated, heavy
and obnoxious to handle.(In the pool.)
	Floating bubble plastic from an elevating counterpoised
roller, with balancers to auto spread the sheet on the surface, works
and stops heat loss by evaporation dead. The bubble plastic can be
recycled from commercial sources and NOT joined by sticky tape as it
degrades, but coarsely sewn with a manmade yarn such as agricultural
bale binder twine. This works. Bear in mind that if the pool is not
shaded or indoor, then these materials are UV degradable.
	This cover is manually workable by one ordinary unfit person
in under a minute.

Best regards, Jim


From angels@inreach.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:29 EDT 1996
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Why was this posted to alt.aromatherapy???


From swanton@river.biddeford.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:30 EDT 1996
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In article <51c3b7$537@ufo.ee.vill.edu>,
Nick Pine <nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu> wrote:
>george p swanton <swanton@river.biddeford.com> wrote:

>>>Now that you have brought up your concern, what suggestions do you have 
>>>to make glass stair treads work?
 
>>Make them out of something else...

[blah blah blah]

>Seems to me architects waste time and money and space fussing over stairs. 
>
>I say use a cheap and fast DC winch, with a trickle-charged battery.
>
>And smart controls that lower a person quickly when it feels a tug in
>the upper position, and raise a person quickly when it feels a tug in
>the lower position, and move it fast from floor to floor when called with
>a clap or a whistle.
>
>And regenerative braking on the way down.
>
>Nick

I have to admit Nick, I _did_ laugh at that one!

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From 105017.1345@CompuServe.COM Wed Sep 25 13:32:31 EDT 1996
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From: dwalker@nlc.bc.ca <105017.1345@CompuServe.COM>
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We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a 
bungalow on a beach lot.  We are very interested in clever 
designs for frugal living and dealing with the sub tropical 
environment.  If anyone has information on clever approaches to:
-solar water heating
-water purification
-designing homes to maximize ventillation and cooling without 
Aircon
-ant proofing storage cupboards
-landscaping as it relates to insect control
and
any other suggestions regarding problems and pitfalls we would 
really appreciate hearing from you!

David and Pat Walker

-- 
David Walker
International Education
Northern Lights College
Fort St. John BC


From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Wed Sep 25 13:32:32 EDT 1996
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Catherine Woodgold <an588@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
 
>Since the air is still hot when it exits the chimney, I guess that
>most of the energy is not converted to electricity but remains in the hot air.

Looks that way...

Page 185 of M A K Madhi's (b5mak2ttacs.ttu.edu) "Helio-aero-gravity electric
power production at low cost" paper (pp 183-189 in Renewable Energy, Vol 2,
No. 2, 1992) says a chimney of height Hc having air at the top and bottom at
temperatures and densities Tt, Tb, Rhot and Rohb would have a pressure
difference dP = 1/2 Rhob v^2, (equation 10) where v = sqrt(2/Rohb dP) and
dP =(Rhot-Rhob)gHc (12) and Rhot Tt = Rhob Tb (14) so v^2 = 2(Tb-Ta)/Ta gHc
or, rewritten, v = sqrt(2gHc(Tb-Ta)/Ta), reminiscent of the empirical chimney
formula cfm = 16.6 Av sqrt(hdT), in English units.

Does this mean that if we could somehow heat ambient 25 C (77 F) air to 55 C
(131 F) in, say a 6 m (20') chimney, we would have an air velocity in the
chimney of sqrt(2 9.8 6 30/(25+273)) = 3.44 m/s or 8.3 mph, with a power
density of 25 watts/m^2, using Paul Gipe's formula P/A = 0.6125 S^3,
where S is in m/s?

A 50' chimney heating 30 F air to 130 F might make sqrt(2 9.8 15.24 56/272)
= 7.82 m/s with a power density of 292 W/m^2...

A +/- 45 deg fixed Winston concentrator?                north
The south side could be transparent,                      ..
the north side could be reflective on both sides,   .   .    .   .
and the sides adjacent to the letters "dn"        .      .dn.       .
might be black poly film or shadecloth with     .    up   ..   up     .
pinholes. Cool air might come up from the bottom    .   .     .   .
through the ducts marked "up", and be warmed as          south
it filters through the black plastic and moves out the top,
or it might move back down to the ground, to enter and warm a building...

It might be 8' wide and 4' thick and 50' tall, using 1200 ft^2 of standard
greenhouse white and black and clear polyethylene film, heat-sealed at the
edges, costing 5 cents/ft^2, ie $60 for the whole thing, five stories tall,
and it might collect the heat equivalent of 4-6 gallons of oil per day, or
make some electricity.

How much solar aperture is required to heat 3.44 m^3/s of air 30 C? I'm not
used to metric units. Hmmm. Air weighs about 1 kg/m^3, with a specific heat
of about 1 kJ/kgC, so that's about 3.44 kJ/s or 3400 watts or 3 m^2, to make
25 watts, with an efficiency of about 0.7%, or 0.4% if the Betz limit applies.
The 50' version would need at least 8 m^2 or 80 ft^2 of solar aperture.
Seems reasonable. Could the windmill be at the bottom?

Nick



From gary@scisysgw.sci.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:33 EDT 1996
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From: gary@scisysgw.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
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In article <51p1kp$2cn$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> dwalker@nlc.bc.ca <105017.1345@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a 
>bungalow on a beach lot.  We are very interested in clever 
>designs for frugal living and dealing with the sub tropical 
>environment. 

You are aware that unless you're a Mexican citizen, you cannot own
real estate in Mexico?

>              If anyone has information on clever approaches to:
  [ ... ]
>any other suggestions regarding problems and pitfalls we would 
>really appreciate hearing from you!

If you end up on a Mexican beach lot, plant pilings deep and build 
above the storm surge level, bracing everything to withstand 150MPh
winds, or you'll get to rebuild after every hurricane.

Enjoy your retirement, wherever you end up being!

Gary

-- 
Gary Heston   SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci.com   Departmental net admin
   The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"All the observing stops, of course, when the observer hits the 
singularity at the center of the black hole." Dr. Robert L. Forward


From karlfl@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu Wed Sep 25 13:32:34 EDT 1996
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	Is there any way to  prevent postings like these? I'm getting 
sick of wading through all the garbage in my mailbox!

					Sincerely,

						Karlfl


From tony@cqi.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:35 EDT 1996
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dwalker@nlc.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a
> bungalow on a beach lot.  We are very interested in clever
> designs for frugal living and dealing with the sub tropical
> environment.  If anyone has information on clever approaches to:
> -solar water heating
> -water purification
> -designing homes to maximize ventillation and cooling without
> Aircon
> -ant proofing storage cupboards
> -landscaping as it relates to insect control
> and
> any other suggestions regarding problems and pitfalls we would
> really appreciate hearing from you!
> 
> David and Pat Walker
> 
> --
> David Walker
> International Education
> Northern Lights College
> Fort St. John BC
I have some architects that may welcome the challange.
Tony
tony@cqi.com


From mchenry@unm.edu Wed Sep 25 13:32:37 EDT 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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In article <51p1kp$2cn$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, 105017.1345@CompuServe.COM says...
>
>We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a 
>bungalow on a beach lot.  We are very interested in clever 
>designs for frugal living and dealing with the sub tropical 
>environment.  If anyone has information on clever approaches to:
>-solar water heating
>-water purification
>-designing homes to maximize ventillation and cooling without 
>Aircon
>-ant proofing storage cupboards
>-landscaping as it relates to insect control
>and
>any other suggestions regarding problems and pitfalls we would 
>really appreciate hearing from you!
>
>David and Pat Walker
>
>-- 
>David Walker
>International Education
>Northern Lights College
>Fort St. John BC
Hi There...

EACI has a lot of information on adobe and vernacular building.
Also many contacts with architects in Mexico.
Visit our home page at the University of New Mexico

P.G. McHenry
Earth Architecture Center International.



From tssinc@mail.idt.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:38 EDT 1996
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gary@scisysgw.sci.com (Gary Heston) wrote:

>In article <51p1kp$2cn$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> dwalker@nlc.bc.ca <105017.1345@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>>We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a 
>>bungalow on a beach lot.  We are very interested in clever 
>>designs for frugal living and dealing with the sub tropical 
>>environment. 

>You are aware that unless you're a Mexican citizen, you cannot own
>real estate in Mexico?

>>              If anyone has information on clever approaches to:
>  [ ... ]
>>any other suggestions regarding problems and pitfalls we would 
>>really appreciate hearing from you!

>If you end up on a Mexican beach lot, plant pilings deep and build 
>above the storm surge level, bracing everything to withstand 150MPh
>winds, or you'll get to rebuild after every hurricane.

>Enjoy your retirement, wherever you end up being!

>Gary


I second the motion.  If you are determined enough to continue, be
prepared for shoddy construction practices, a lack of familiar
building materials, and an incredibly high tariff and transportation
cost on equipment and materials brought into the country. (IF you can
get them.)

My personal experience is that the Mexican government is less than
hospitable.   A latin america friendly company that worked with me was
invited to a trade show in Mexico to show their wares.  Upon entry
into the country over $10,000 worth of equipment was seized by customs
because the proper paperwork was not filled out.

The representatives of the trade show, the American and Mexican
cousulates and 2 Senators were only able to get half the equipment
back.  Sound like a fun place to live?

Think twice about moving to a country where a large portion of the
citizens are trying to move out.
 



From infopage1@aol.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:38 EDT 1996
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I am building a new service on the web that will list homes
and cabins that are for sale or for rent. Individuals and 
Real-estate companies may place thier listings for free.
Listing can stay up until home is sold.

Listings must be located in North GA. mountains or Tennessee area.

Also starting a section for alternative homes for sale and rent.

Please take a look:
http://mainstop.com/tiap/rentals/cabin-ls.htm

-----------------------
Looking for sponors for the Mountain Homes rentals & sales web site.
Uses very unique form of (sponoring).
 
Thank you,


From Andrea.Actis@cselt.stet.it Wed Sep 25 13:32:40 EDT 1996
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A friend of mine as some question, please can you send me this
kind of information or route me to appropiate URLs; please reply by
E-Mail i don't follow this newsgroup.

--
 I am university student in the faculty of architecture.
 I am looking for information on or about fire prevention security
  equivalent for historical and heritage building adapted and
  employed as museums.

 Thank's for any type of information.
-- 

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Jianhao Lu <JXL4050@utarlg.uta.edu> wrote in article
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> Steve Schwartz (marcon@infinet.com) wrote:
> : FreePager@gnn.com (Elena Dymova) wrote:
> 
> : ><<<***Do not vote for Bob Dole***>>> READ THIS
> 
> : >Even if you’re a Republican you were probably ashamed by how your
‘brothers’ acted at GOP convention.
> : >You understand that our only choice is BILL CLINTON!
> : >Well, I don’t have to tell you how good Bill Clinton is, we already
know it. 
> : >Vote for Clinton.
> 
> : This is an example of the results of outcome-based education.
> 
> 
Yea, well how would you sound if you tried to defend the Republicans in
chinese?



From rschluet@gac.edu Wed Sep 25 13:32:43 EDT 1996
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From b brooks Wed Sep 25 13:32:44 EDT 1996
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From: b brooks
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I need the crack for CrystalGraphics Topas 5.0 & 5.1,
Post it!
Thanks,


From dangot@xtra.co.nz Wed Sep 25 13:32:45 EDT 1996
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From: dangot@xtra.co.nz (Daniel Gotlieb)
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Ambience is recruiting.
We need good, established architects (independents and firms) to help
represent us overseas on the global market.
Ambience is the worlds first fully online interior design and color
consultancy firm, offering a unique, unmatched service to all Internet
users.
We have experience in handling any work from domestic to large
commercial contracts and will be a valuable asset to your business.

Check us out at:
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From Tlshell@concentric.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:46 EDT 1996
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What do you do about fireproofing straw bales??? Compress the air out of
them first??? Surround them with some kind of non-flammable material? Soak
them in fire retardant? (Like the stuff used for fireproofing children's
clothing?) ???
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From oz.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:47 EDT 1996
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I am looking to build a house and need some house plans.  What should I
look out for with the ones on the Internet.   I like the homes at
http://www.oz.net/rdsplans/index.html

Thanks
JR


From jamesp@sirius.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:48 EDT 1996
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I made a mistake. I had no idea that this was illegal. I'm only 11.
Please don't arrest me.


From chita@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:49 EDT 1996
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
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Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
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dwalker@nlc.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a
> bungalow on a beach lot.  We are very interested in clever
> designs for frugal living and dealing with the sub tropical
> environment.  If anyone has information on clever approaches to:
> -solar water heating
> -water purification
> -designing homes to maximize ventillation and cooling without
> Aircon
> -ant proofing storage cupboards
> -landscaping as it relates to insect control
> and
> any other suggestions regarding problems and pitfalls we would
> really appreciate hearing from you!
> 

     I take it you've really looked into and understood the limitations
regarding non-Mexicans owning land at the beach?  If so, and you're
satisfied with the arrangements, the next step is to consult _locals_
about building anything. The federal government is nearly an invisible
presence in daily life. But it absolutely has all the authority of a
country operating under the Napoleonic Code, which means you, your
property (we'll call it that for convenience) and your residency in the
country will be vulnerable for quite some time.  The culture is such
that networking is the real protection. Make friends with the local
authority figures and ask them how things are done in that neighborhood.
Then do it that way. 
  
     If your lot has no utilities, again, ask what the situation is
locally. Septic tanks and wells are pretty usual where I am (about an
hour south of the border), with liquid propane as a basic fuel. I nearly
brought down a big diesel generator until a local informed me the
government subsidized LP - it turned out to be half the cost of diesel.
It cost $200 to have the generator retrofitted.
 
     Building can be a BIG struggle, if you expect the sort of materials
and workmanship habits you have in Canada or the United States. You'll
just drive yourself crazy if you get all upset by the differences. After
all, you're in someone else's country - adapt! <G>  Again, take the time
to get friendly with the locals. They will tell you what's what. I
wouldn't say that isolating yourself with a completely owner-built home
is such a wise investment. It lubricates things considerably if you try
to be a contributing member of the local economy - shop at the local
store(s), hire locals, spread the wealth a little. It doesn't cost that
much. If you're retiring, it sounds as if you're planning to live there
FOREVER. Invest a little - it's your HOME. Your neighbors are the ones
who'll really look out for you - or consider you a random visitor. Like
everywhere else in the world, friendliness begets coopration and
friendliness in return. 

     Where are you planning to go? Are you planning to take up Mexican
citizenship?


From chita@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:51 EDT 1996
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Gary Heston wrote: 
> You are aware that unless you're a Mexican citizen, you cannot own
> real estate in Mexico?

    Well, this isn't quite the case. The restrictions (which Mexicans
are looking into changing, though it takes a Constitutional amendment)
have to do with owning land near the shores (I think it's perhaps 30-50
miles, when you translate the statutes). Mexicans have some history of
feeling vulnerable by sea, and they've got quite a lot of feeling about
foreigners coming in and taking the best land/raw materials and removing
resources. In any case, they're a creative bunch. They came up with a
lease which is automatically renewed. "Leasing" such lands means
essentially that one has all the rights commonly associated with
ownership for some 60 years. Your kids can inherit it and they can sell
it or renew the lease also. It has not affected the price of this land
any. In fact, a small business has cropped up. I've heard of Mexicans
taking ownership for a month or two, for a small fee ($25-100) and then
"selling" it back to the leaseholder - which means the 60-year clock
starts all over again.   It works. The fideo comiso is administered by
banks. This is a vulnerability. Banks have raised their prices for the
service from $12 a year to over $400 in some cases. If the economy
crashes a few more times, I can see where they'd look at this as easy
hard currency. Retired folks could get a truly rude surprise. But then,
in America, we've had some nasty incidents where the elderly were taxed
out of their homes, so I'm not sure it's such a Mexican thing. And in
Mexico, you can get around almost anything. I'd have a hard time
imagining an elderly widow being screwed into the ground that way. In
America, it just doesn't matter what the individual story is. In Mexico,
I would suggest she go and talk to the banker and tell him she just
can't afford it. I would expect her to be given special consideration.
In America, I'd just help her pack.


From CMEV27A@prodigy.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:52 EDT 1996
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I'm looking for information on natural fiber, none-allergenic carpet.  



From Tlshell@concentric.net Wed Sep 25 13:32:53 EDT 1996
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How interesting! I wonder if he bothers to use solar energy to save on
electrical consumption? However, my thought about all this is that in a
world of increasing population, this is one way to make a small room seem
larger and perhaps more comfortable than it might otherwise be. A house
full of this stuff sounds just a wee bit overdoing it however... (-:

On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Philip Plowright wrote:

>=93House of Microsoft mogul Bill Gates, Seattle. The interior wall
>panels are not what they seem. They turn out to be huge, flat video
>screens. In repose they simulate the surfaces of standard
<snip>
>What, ultimately, is never really addressed, is the affect that this
>new understanding of the space, by way of virtual reality and the
>Internet, will have on the design of physical space and architecture.

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From lfg0302@aol.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:54 EDT 1996
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From: lfg0302@aol.com (Lfg0302)
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The American Institute of Architecture Students (AIAS), a 40 year old
non-profit organization which represents students of architecture
throughout North America, cordially invites

All Architecture, Interior Design and Landscape Architecture Students,
Interns and Professionals to join them at

FORUM 1996 - A Captial Forum
220+ Years of Public Architecture In America

Tuesday, November 26 - Sunday, December 1, 1996
The Grand Hyatt - Washington
1000 H Street, N.W. Washington, D.C.

Please make plans to join more than 1,000 students at this annual
gathering of architecture students and other design professionals.

FORUM '96 offers you the educational opportunities of a lifetime with
seminars, panel discussions, design build workshops, and keynote sessions.
 Confirmed speakers to date include: Vincent Scully, James Wines, Hugh
Newell Jacobsen, FAIA, Steve Kliment, FAIA, and Architectural photographer
Fred Maroon.  Other invited speakers include Maya Lin, Beatriz Colomina,
Martha Schwartz, Lebbeus Woods, Hon. Harvey Gantt, FAIA and Hon. Henry
Cisneros, Hon. AIA.

Tours offered will include day trips to Annapolis and Baltimore, MD, and
Richmond, VA.  Other tours will include The White House, the U.S. Capitol
Complex, Monuments and Memorials, Federal Buildings, Historic Georgetown, 
The National Gallery of Art, The Smithsonian and the U.S. Holocaust
Museum. 
  
An evening of discussions of international architecture is planned, with
12 foreign embassies hosting dinners for the conference attendees. 
Embassies participating to date include: Germany, Saudi Arabia, Finland,
Israel, Singapore and the Czech Republic.

Other Programs will be held at the National Building Museum, the American
Institute of Architects and the Old Post Office Pavillion.

A special lecture on the state of architectural education will also be
offered by Dr. Lee Mitgang, co-author of the recently published BUILDING
COMMUNITY, A New Future for Architecture Education and Practice, a
long-term study just released by the Carnegie Foundation for the
Advancement of Teaching.

A week of learning, growing and fun await all who attend.  Won't you plan
to join more than 1,000 of your peers for this exciting educational
experience and Thanksgiving dinner and the traditional Beaux Arts Ball
too?

Registration Costs are as follows:

Basic Registration             Early           Reg.       On Site
AIAS Member                      $95             $120         $140
Student (non-member)         $110          $135         $155
Intern/Associate AIA          $130           $155         $175
Professional                        $150           $175         $195

Headquarters hotel is The Grand Hyatt Washington.  For more information
and registration materials, please email us at AIASNATL@aol.com or call us
at (202) 626-7472 or fax us at (202) 626-7414


From mhoward@memphisonline.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:56 EDT 1996
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I have 5.0 and a dongle that i will sell you for $500

mh


From ARCASIA7@pusdata.dprin.go.id Wed Sep 25 13:32:57 EDT 1996
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Dear Sir,

The Sixth Asian Architectural Students Jamborees event is not 
at Kuningan Youth Hostel Complex anymore. It is at Bumi Wiyata 
which is at Depok, 30 km south of Jakarta.

We suggest you to stay at a moderate Hotel in Jakarta which 
approximately cost US$ 50,- a night. Please send us your plans
in Jakarta so we can assist you during your stay here in Jakarta.
We would advise you to participate on the Optional Tour Programme
since the tour would cover a few historical buildings in Jakarta.

All official delegate's accomodations throughout the event (24th, 25th
and 26th of September 1996) will be on our account. The others can
register when they arrive here at Jakarta.

We didn't schedule students to attend the The Seventh Asian 
Congress Of Architects lectures except Mr. Kisho Kurokawa's but
we can manage for you or obtain some written materials if you 
really need them. Please remind the commitee about this.

For the latest news or drop by often at our homepage at 
http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/2761/sj6_n3.html for the
Sixth Asian Architectural Students Jamboree last minute
programmes.

-----------------------------------------------------------
M.R. Romandi
Convener to the Sixth Asian Architectural Students Jamboree
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for further info:
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From oa44@dial.pipex.com Wed Sep 25 13:32:58 EDT 1996
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From: Phil Bixby <oa44@dial.pipex.com>
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Subject: Re: requesting information - Alternative Energy Equipment sources
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Andrew North wrote:
> 
> rwbake19@webserve.net wrote:
> 
> >I am requesting information from any individual with knowledge of
> >Alternative Energy Equipment sources - items include, solar
> >panels(electrical & hot water/heating), geothermal equipment,
> >windmills (power & water), water wheels, solar collection equipment,
> >methane digestors, hydraulic rams, electrical generators (DC & AC),
> >wood stoves, etc. and any sources of auxiliary equipment.
> 
> etc....
> 
> You could try :-
> 
> Centre for Alternative Technology
> Machynlleth
> Powys
> Wales
> United Kingdom
> 
> I don't know their post code (zip code)
> 
> They operate a very good centre which started in the 1970's,  they
> also run coarses,  bookshop, experimental work and they also live
> there as well.  If you are in the UK it's well worth a look.
> 
> I haven't found anything on the NET about them, but this doesn't mean
> their not there.  Hopefully someone from their will see this and
> respond.
> 
> If you want any more information about them drop me a note and I'll
> see what I can do.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Andy

The Centre for Alternative Technology does have a Web page - at 
http://www.foe.co.uk:80/CAT/

Hope this is of use. My own company - Constructive Individuals - also has 
a site at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/oa44/ - plug, plug 
;-/

Best wishes,

Phil Bixby


From michael@complexity.org Wed Sep 25 13:32:59 EDT 1996
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From: "Michael T. Bishop" <michael@complexity.org>
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Subject: Re: building a home with STRAW not hay bales
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Roving Reporter wrote:
> 
> What do you do about fireproofing straw bales??? Compress the air out of
> them first??? Surround them with some kind of non-flammable material? Soak
> them in fire retardant? (Like the stuff used for fireproofing children's
> clothing?) ???
> ***************************************************
> * Therese Shellabarger  -  tlshell@concentric.net *
> * http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell/             *
> ***************************************************


Questions about the possibilities of fire are always asked when straw bale homes are 
brought up. However, it is one of least concern once the structure is completely 
built. There are a few points to be made in regards to straw and straw homes.

1. Straw will not burn if the wire or twine that holds it together is not broken. 
This is due to the straw being compressed and not allowing oxygen to flow through the 
bale of which is required for combustion to occur. The bale will only smolder on the 
outside surfaces. In fact firefighters use bales of straw for their practice drills. 
They will allow the bales to smolder which makes alot of smoke.

2. After the straw is set in place for the walls of a straw bale house they are then 
covered with stucco. Thus, preventing a flame from reaching the bales and further 
reducing the flow of oxygen.

3. A fire test was done on a straw bale wall which provided some amazing results. The 
test wall (plastered) was submitted to a furnace temperature of 1942*f for two hours. 
After which no cracking occurred and the straw had only charred to a depth of two 
inches. Where as a regular lumber framed home would have only lasted a few minutes.

For further information and resources related to straw homes please check out the 
'Straw Bale Homes' web site at:

http://www.strawhomes.com

There is a large list of resources and it is still growning.

Regards,

Michael

-- 
			Michael T. Bishop
   Idaho Systems Institute - Designing Idaho Education for Tomorrow
	     http://www.complexity.org/mike/isi/index.html
		 ------- Straw Bale Homes -------
	balemaster@strawhomes.com ---- http://www.strawhomes.com


From michael@complexity.org Wed Sep 25 13:33:01 EDT 1996
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From: "Michael T. Bishop" <michael@complexity.org>
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x wrote:
> 
> I am looking to build a house and need some house plans.  What should I
> look out for with the ones on the Internet.   I like the homes at
> http://www.oz.net/rdsplans/index.html
> 
> Thanks
> JR

This is a very interesting question. It seems that according to your e-mail 
address you are Residential Design Services. Is this post just to draw 
attraction to your site?

Well, anyways do you have any plans for straw bale homes? There is increasing 
interest in them and they are much more sustainable than the convential timber 
framed home.

Regards,

Michael
-- 
			Michael T. Bishop
   Idaho Systems Institute - Designing Idaho Education for Tomorrow
	     http://www.complexity.org/mike/isi/index.html
		 ------- Straw Bale Homes -------
	balemaster@strawhomes.com ---- http://www.strawhomes.com


From kinch@netline.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:02 EDT 1996
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dwalker@nlc.bc.ca wrote:
> We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a
> bungalow on a beach lot.

Beware, there have been several scams involving this.  Mexico does not
allow foreigners to own real estate.


From esw@u.washington.edu Wed Sep 25 13:33:03 EDT 1996
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From: Steve Shook <esw@u.washington.edu>
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The Directory of Forest Products, Wood Science, & Marketing now contains
over 1,200 links directly related to the forest/wood products and pulp &
paper industries. Each link has been categorized by subject area to
speed
your search for information. The Directory is located at:

http://weber.u.washington.edu/~esw/fpm.htm

Directory categories include:
=============================
- Academic and Research Institutions
- Association, Councils, Federations, Societies
- Commercial Services Providers
- Electronic Internet Mail Lists
- Marketing of Forest Products
- Manufacturers, Equipment, Distributors
- Publications and Reports
- Financial (Stock and Options/Futures Markets) Information and Industry
Statistics
- Sustainable Forestry and Wood Certification
- Other Major Forest Products and Pulp & Paper Internet Directories


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b, brooks wrote:
> 
> I need the crack for CrystalGraphics Topas 5.0 & 5.1,
> Post it!
> Thanks,

Topas 5.1 with CD-ROM and dongle for $385!
Great rendered image!


From kging@efn.org Wed Sep 25 13:33:06 EDT 1996
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From: Kathy Ging <kging@efn.org>
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Subject: STRAWBALE design dreamteams, work parties,finance
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>From  what I have read, fire is not a problem in SB homes - one
person had a candle burning that burned into the window sill of
a SB home, but the fire got snuffed out for lack of air. That
is another positive angle about SB - in addition to R-values,
embodied energy, widely available material and the inspiration
for folks to help each other build  houses again instead of
relying on the experts for construction and banks for financing.

The Great Notion of taking back control of one*s life starting
with housing in a society where there is excessive pressure to
consume and build and buy more extravagant houses is inspiring.
 
The idea of paying $10k to $70k for a house and shortening
the term of a  mortgage from 30 years to 5-15 is inviting. 
(Strawbale houses being built in Eugene are costing between
$150-200 k - the latter being an architecturally designed custom
home.) 

But I have talked to 2 owner builders who think they can build
for 20k. Two different women in the Strawbale II video built
their homes for 10k each. A young woman in Philomath, OR
(nr. Corvallis) estimates the finished cost of her 900 sq ft
SB house will be approx. $70k (she did pay a few people to
help her).

In Eugene about 150 people have signed up as being interested 
in helping each otherbuild strawbale homes. Sounds like a movement.
I hope they will all incorporate passive solar principles.

In a particular locale one person, a team or collective could 
organize work  parties to help owner
builders construct their residences, taking a percentage of
a dues fund for payment for organizing work teams and design
dream teams. 

Using a sweat equity concept similar to Habitat for Humanity
might be useful. Setting up some legal structure for doing
this has been recommended in one book I read about owner
builders exchanging work credits.

If one were to initiate such an organizational mode, one might
consider using a skills bank index of services, skills and tools
geared specifically to this type of construction.  The next 
agenda item - organic straw! I have heard that increasingly
sludge has been used on some fields. John Stauber and Sheldon
Rampton in their book: Toxic Sludge is Good for You: Lies, Damn
Lies and the Public Relations Industry, outline the problems
with sludge.

*The Harper Collins Dictionary of Environmental Science 
defines sludge as a <viscous, semisolid mixture of bacteria-
and virus-laden organic matter, toxic metals, synthetic
organic chemicals, and settled solids removed from domestic
and industrial waste water at a sewage treatment plant.> Over
60,000 toxic substances and chemical compounds can be found
in sewage sludge....*

As one who eats a 95% organic diet, I would mandate organic
walls in my house! I do not know for sure whether sludge
is used on hay/straw fields - but since it is being used
on farms, dairies et al with some adverse effects, I thought
I would at least ask the question.

As far as money to build strawbale homes: some banks and
credit unions will drag their feet, but how about a citizen
generated financing plan in which $500-$1000 certificates 
of deposit or other money instruments that mature in 10 years?

Even those folks not building SB homes may want to do a measure of
socially responsible investing in putting some bucks into
an indigenous material, energy efficient, passive solar
low embodied energy structure. 

Perhaps you recall the solar T-bills that were used to
finance solar water heaters - uncertain if they are still
being sold (i.e., the t-bills; solar water heaters are still
being sold). Anyone want to start a national solar stack fund?
                            *-*

Kathy Ging, M.A. GRI  Secretary, NW Eco-Building Guild,
 Eugene Chapter    - Realtor with an ORGANIC vision -

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Roving Reporter wrote:

> What do you do about fireproofing straw bales??? Compress the air out of
> them first??? Surround them with some kind of non-flammable material? Soak
> them in fire retardant? (Like the stuff used for fireproofing children's
> clothing?) ???
> ***************************************************
> * Therese Shellabarger  -  tlshell@concentric.net *
> * http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell/             *
> ***************************************************
> 
> 
> 


From chita@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:07 EDT 1996
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Richard J. Kinch wrote:
> 
> dwalker@nlc.bc.ca wrote:
> > We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a
> > bungalow on a beach lot.
> 
> Beware, there have been several scams involving this.  Mexico does not
> allow foreigners to own real estate.

    I'd forgotten how common this idea is. It's true in a strictly
technical way that land within some X thousand meters of the shore is
not allowed to be owned by foreign citizens. Changing the Constitution
to allow normal ownership has been the topic of growing discussion
throughout the country for several years. However, it is not
particularly necessary. A 30-year lease (automatic renewal for a second
30 years) is equivalent to an  older American form of ownership called
"fee simple" (I think it was called that, a realtor mentioned it one
day). The lease carries all the usual features of ownership including
use, disposal and inheritance. It's administered through banks. One can
buy insurance which is equivalent to title insurance. Think hard: when
was the last time a retired person bought a house and stayed in it more
than 60 years? 
 
    There have been some scams, as you note. People have "bought" land
which was part of Farm Trusts, which is like trying to buy land in a
national park or Indian reservation. The schemes went on for some time
because the Federal government of Mexico is VERY loosely wrapped and it
can be decades before they find out about anything. IMHO, even the farm
trust problem could still have been handled - if the Americans in
question hadn't been so indignant and socially isolated. But there's no
way we'd allow someone to maintain an illicit housing development on
public land, d'ya think? And we don't allow people caught with stolen
property to keep it, do we? Even if they were scammed into buying it?  

     It also seems to be a worldwide phenomenon that real estate
attracts crooks. 
 
    There are many risks of going off to some foreign country for
retirement. Certainly, being scammed is part of that. But everywhere,
not just Mexico. Seems to me people do need to look into the way things
are done in a new country before they sink their retirement dollars into
it. Retirement is a LONG time (one hopes). It takes four years to get
Mexican citizenship. Seems to me if a place is good enough to live in
for the rest of your life, it's good enough for citizenship. Of course,
that's a whole other discussion.


From jcarter@olympus.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:08 EDT 1996
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I've recently returned from a visit to Hollyhock Holistic Learning 
Center.  Currently under construction is a lovely Sanctuary using the 
ancient Cob House techniques - the structure is curvy and organic and 
very inviting.  Is there anyplace on the WEB with more info on these 
techniques?  I'd love to live in a structure like it!


From arkatekt@aol.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:10 EDT 1996
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Nice try at self promotion....


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I think you missed the point. It is not in the gadgetry and one liners
of the technology. It is the fundimental way that we percieve space.
What else is Architecture (which is art), as opposed to architecture
(which is building science). It is irrelevant that this house belongs
to Bill Gates, he was just the authority used to make it believable.
It is about how we structure our physical space, the misrepresentation
of the fantasy of technology, placelessness, and decentralization of
our cities due to advances in mechanics. What is this going to do to
Architecture, besides turn it into a series of transparent one liners?

Roving Reporter <Tlshell@concentric.net> wrote:

>How interesting! I wonder if he bothers to use solar energy to save on
>electrical consumption? However, my thought about all this is that in a
>world of increasing population, this is one way to make a small room seem
>larger and perhaps more comfortable than it might otherwise be. A house
>full of this stuff sounds just a wee bit overdoing it however... (-:






From pip@shore.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:12 EDT 1996
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In article <51p1kp$2cn$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, 
105017.1345@CompuServe.COM says...
>
>We are planning on retiring in Mexico 

You might want to consider Costa Rica. It has a big American retirement 
community, and the government is friendly to foreign residents. 

The country has a variety of climates, so you can even choose your weather.

-- 
Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh ernyyl bhtug gb trg bhg zber 



From srs@erols.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:13 EDT 1996
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From: Ted Hale <srs@erols.com>
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Subject: Re: <<<***Do not vote for Bob Dole***>>> READ THIS
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:12:41 -0400
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Paul Kronfield wrote:
> 
> BarCharlie wrote:
> >
> > good morning;
> > i understand your points but here in italy we have a very big campaign
> > in favour of bob dole and many of the arguments mentioned are by fare 
> > better than the clinton ones;
> > can you tell me what is wrong with it
> > thanks
> > giorgio
> 
> At least Dole isn't a coward, draft-dodger, womanizer, liar, drug
> peddler, small time con artist, big time con artist, drug user, rapist,
> sexual harrasser, conspiritor, crooked politician...
> --
> Paul Kronfield
> Houston, Texas, USA
> pk@geoprobe.com
> For FREE international and domestic long distance faxing
>      see.... http://www.geoprobe.com
Ditto!
-- 




From broughtonjsd@cf.ac.uk Wed Sep 25 13:33:15 EDT 1996
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I have been elected to be the editopr of a student newsletter and end of 
year magazine for the students here at the Welsh School of Architecture. 
The intention is not only to provide news pertaining to our own events 
and particulars, but to also include news from around Britain and the 
Globe. 

I am writing to find out if there are any similar such student 
associations and if so if they undertake any similar projects.

The newsletter is a monthly production which is then edited to go into 
the SAWSA homepage of which I am also the administrator. 

Any assistance, advice or indeed any contact with other architectutre 
students or their associations will be gladly recieved. It may be 
possible to link up with each other to expand the scope the education we 
are already recieving.

1996 Cymrarch End of year review - http:\\www.cf.ac.uk\archi\sawsa\
SAWSA Homepage (Under Construction!) - 
http:\\www.geocities.com\paris\3275

Thanks in advance!

Jon Broughton
Editor and Communications Officer for SAWSA
Students' Association of the Welsh School of Architecture
Wales, UK


From rhaight@globalserve.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:16 EDT 1996
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Subject: Re: -- Bob Dole or Bill Clinton -- Online Survey
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Venger <mchester@utdallas.edu> wrote:

>SHLEM wrote:
>> 
>> Ed Ough wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm Canadian and I really don't give a flying f*** about your
>> > election.   Why don't you morons get an intelligent thought and post
>> > your articles in the appropriate place (not alt.aquaria or many of the
>> > other newsgroups that this cross post ends up in).
>> >
>> > Ed
>> 
>>         Canadians are like Americans, except without the guns.
>> I say that with pride, as an American.
>> 
>>         I advise a bit more diplomacy on your part, or one of these days
>> we might just muster up our Salvation Army to go up there and get us
>> states #51, 52, and 53.  You can keep Quebec...hell, you couldn't give them
>> away.
>
>This has NOTHING to do with alt.aquaria...but it is FUNNY as HELL! 
>
>There is nothing wrong with Quebec that 750kt nominal yield can't cure.
>
>-- 
>\  /
> \/enger
>http://www.utdallas.edu/~mchester/
>mailto:mchester@utdallas.edu
Hey now, Quebec has beautiful, stylish women, a rational attitude to
life's minor peccadilloes, great Northern scenery, a nice base of
historic sites, good food and reasonable prices for many things -
all-in-all a nice society.
Quebecois are overly sensitive, politically naive and yet
Machiavellian and xenophobic - but then, so are most Americans ( not
to mention Canadians ), so I'd give the nukes a pass. 


From jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:18 EDT 1996
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From: jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com(Joe Hindorff)
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Subject: Re: Cob Architecture
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On Sep 17, 1996 07:25:17 in article <Cob Architecture>, 'Janet Carter
<jcarter@olympus.net>' wrote: 
 
 
>I've recently returned from a visit to Hollyhock Holistic Learning  
>Center.  Currently under construction is a lovely Sanctuary using the  
>ancient Cob House techniques - the structure is curvy and organic and  
>very inviting.  Is there anyplace on the WEB with more info on these  
>techniques?  I'd love to live in a structure like it! 
-- 
Hi Janet: 
 
Try http://deatech.com/cobcottage/ 
 
Good luck 
 
 
Joe  
 
"All anger is fear, and all fear is fear of loss" 
                                        Richard Bach


From swestin@dsg145.nad.ford.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:19 EDT 1996
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From: swestin@dsg145.nad.ford.com (Stephen Westin )
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In article <51rfji$p46@lex.zippo.com> b brooks writes:

> I need the crack for CrystalGraphics Topas 5.0 & 5.1,
> Post it!
> Thanks,

I need a new Mercedes. Steal one and ship it to me!

--
-Stephen H. Westin
swestin@ford.com
The information and opinions in this message are mine, not Ford's.


From Frankie@oke.gov Wed Sep 25 13:33:20 EDT 1996
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Subject: 153 : The visiting-card of Jesus Christ. (Get it translated) - jesus.arj (0/1)
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Without The mathematical an number science of this attachement, you
life is not complete. Get it translated.

This was wat Leibnitz was looking for.

james1@hacom.nl



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From gcarter@slinknet.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:24 EDT 1996
Article: 8090 of alt.architecture.alternative
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Subject: Re: building a home with hay bails
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I think you mean bales.In article <5106tp$e9m@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, 
duckchow@ix.netcom.com says...
>
>hubbd@ruby.ils.unc.edu (David Hubbell) wrote:
>
>>Does anybody know where I can get info on home building with hay 
bails?
>
>Links to over 70 URLs about strawbale construction:
>http://www.netcom.com/~duckchow/surfstrawbale1of2.html
>
>



From geoffben@primenet.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:25 EDT 1996
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In article <01bba6ce$3d586e60$64510cce@ns1.skybus.com>, "George Lavrov"
<glavrov@skybus.com> wrote:


> Just play fair, don't take away hope from people who already put their
> money into this. Cheating wont help it will just break everything, because
> people wont play again and even worst they will SAY that they try and
> that's did not work. Think about that.

Why don't you play fair and quite spreading this crap? If you want to
believe in the tooth fairy, that's find with me. Just don't try to
convince me. 

If you show me the bank statments, then I MIGHT believe that there's
something to this "something for nothing" stuff. 

In the meantime, you're wasting our time and bandwidth.
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From cdesigns@cyberg8t.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:26 EDT 1996
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From mocap@azstarnet.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:27 EDT 1996
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From: mocap@azstarnet.com (J.S.Bach)
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The cost of adobe block in the Tucson Az. area is $0.81 each, for quantities 
of over 1,000,  which seems high. Does anyone have any information about the 
cost in other localities?


From dmurph69@mail.idt.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:28 EDT 1996
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Has anyone read Charles Jencks,"The Architecture of the Jumping
Universe"? Amazing ...



From daverae@aloha.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:28 EDT 1996
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From connski@delphi.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:30 EDT 1996
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From: connski@delphi.com
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Subject: Re: building a home with STRAW not hay bales
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Can an experienced straw bale builder please answer my questions about SB
Construction:
 
	How do I know when the bales are dry enough to build with?
 
	Should I seal the bales "airtight" within the exterior and interior finishes?
	
	Do straw bales compress or compact over time, expecially when
	they bear loads?
 
	I left some straw bales I'd bought for much outside. Rain fell on them
	and they sprouted oats and mushrooms.  What about seeds and spores
 
	in bales inside walls?
 
	How do I make sure vermin, ie insects or insect eggs are not
	in the bales I use?
 
	How do I keep rodents and insects from infesting the bales in my
	walls once the building is finished?
 
	How do I fireproof?
 
Thanks, Conrad Skinner


From justwink@aol.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:31 EDT 1996
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From: justwink@aol.com (JustWINK)
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DEMONSTRATED AND  EXPLAINED: A review of Borin Van Loon's GEODESIC DOMES

As what may be the most contemporary book on geodesic domes, Borin Van
Loon's GEODESIC DOMES is a welcome addition to the short list of books on
the subject.  Intended as a hands-on introduction to the subject, this
very attractive and reasonably priced paperback includes one of the more
concise and compact explanations of the fundamentals of Bucky's geodesics
to be found in print.  Beginning with the Platonic polyhedra, and
proceeding through basic spherical trigonometry, the standard breakdowns
are elegantly presented, along with chord factors for some simple cases. 
The great drawback of a book of this nature is the requirement to destroy
the integrity of the book itself in order to enjoy the models.  No doubt
many will choose to photocopy the patterns (I would suggest card stock). 
Those who do use the original pages will benefit from the printed labels
on the backside and will enjoy the color that some of the models utilize. 
Models A and B, each consisting of a polyhedral "core" and 4 different
modules that rest on one face, are demonstrative in nature, showing the
relation of various breakdowns and frequency's to the icosahedron and the
octahedron.  Model C is a "geodesic rotunda" consisting of a 3V dome
setting atop a vertical wall or prism.  Model D, described as a faceted
hemisphere is a dome of the pattern of the Epcot sphere, a concave
treatment of the triacon breakdown.  Model E is a 2V alternate sphere
(essentially a pentakis dodecahedron, one of the uniform or Archimedean
polyhedra) with a "cupola" and prism base.  The final model is of the
buckyball, or buckminsterfullerene.  A brief explanation of this recently
discovered form of carbon accompanies the model.
While some dome enthusiasts will question some of the authors comments
about domes in the real world and knowledgeable readers will thirst for
more bulk, this attractive and intelligent book is such a good value that
you just might want to buy 2 copies so you can both have the book and play
with the models.

GEODESIC DOMES Demonstrated and  explained with cut-out models 
by Borin Van Loon
1994
ISBN  0 906212 92 8
Tarquin Publications, Norfolk, England
U.S. Price: $12.95  (or so)

------------
Charles E. Peck  -  P.O.Box 47186  -  Wichita KS  -  67201
author:  A FUNDAMENTAL POLYHEDRA OF POLYHEDRA AND TESSELLATIONS


From ivus@argus.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:32 EDT 1996
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From: ivus@argus.com (anj)
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Subject: Re: Dome Houses
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In article <01bb9a84$d86b6ca0$2125eea5@worldnet.worldnet.att.net>,
"Michael Killarney" <m.killarney@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> About 20 years ago my wife and I took a one week geodesic dome house
> building seminar.  At the time, due to tight finances, we were forced to
> buy a conventional home in suburbia.  Times have changed and we are again
> looking at alternative housing.  Seems like most of the dome hype has
> subsided.  Anybody know where we can pick up some current literature? 
> Thanks.
> 
> Mike Killarney

Try reading/posting on :  bit.listserv.geodesic

A dome/B. Fuller discussion


From gsarcinastaffa@server.pelagus.it Wed Sep 25 13:33:33 EDT 1996
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From dmhooie@mail.gte.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:34 EDT 1996
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From: dmhooie@mail.gte.net (David M. Hooie)
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BEAT THE LOTTO'S ASTRONOMICAL ODDS!!!!

How often do you play the lotto in your state?  Every week?  Every two
weeks?
More importantly, how much do you spend in comparison to what you win
back?

You wouldn't believe how easy it is to make money on the internet! 
Take 5 minutes to read this message and decide whether you want 
to make money or not.

I saw an article in an Internet Newsgroup telling me I could make 
$50 000 within 4 weeks for an investment of only $5.  Yeah, right!! 
I was skeptical at first! I'd tried a similar idea through snail mail
long
before the internet was a reality.  The difference was, in that
method,
you also had to purchase a $50 dollar mailing list.  With the internet
usenet groups, your investment is only $5 plus postage!

If you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason whatsoever why
this
system can't work for anyone! This is a perfectly legitimate
investment opportunity. You invest $5 and you receive a return on your
investment.

So does the next investor. 

NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER - PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE, SEE WHY
BELOW!

OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED, THEN DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT
PLEASE PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO MAY WISH TO
TAKE ADVANTAGE.

The procedure is very simple.

STEP 1. Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper with
the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST" (This step makes it
legal, since you are paying for a service). Fold a $1 bill in each of
the pieces of paper and mail them to the following five addresses:

1. Matt Baraga 
   111 White Ibis Ct. 
   Daytona Beach FL 32119  
   ( USA )

2. Michel Tremblay, 
   C.P. 23
   Alma, QC, Canada
   G8B 5V5

3. Marie Guillemette, 
   C.P. 79178
   Hull, QC, Canada  
   J8Y 6V2

4. Steve Martin
   C.P. 428
   Outremont, Qc, Canada
   H2V 4N3 

5. David Hooie
    2711 23rd Street W.
    Bradenton, FL 34205
    (USA)

STEP 2. Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names up
(5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as number
5 on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply
editing and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.

STEP 3. Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there
are 17 000 of them).

You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start 
receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more newsgroups
you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may want to rent a
Post Office Box to handle the volume of mail you are likely to
receive.

If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as 
"The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is
correct!

NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!

Of every 200 postings made, you should receive an average of 5
replies, YES
-ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200 
postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5. 

Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200 
additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings.
On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at
number 4. You make $50.

Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3
or 10,000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They
make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings
= 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000.

Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT 
NUMBER 1 and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the
list. AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS!
Total income in one cycle = $55 500.

>From  time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take
the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT
ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN
AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only
a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return. 

Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST FACTORS
ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five 
dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR 
RETURNS.

Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played
out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but
what are the chances of that happening?

Do you realize how many Internet Users there are? Do you realize how
many times this scheme can be utilized over and over again - with 
COMPLETELY NEW people participating? 

There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF 
THOUSANDS OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH!

Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's
the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back
to this article easily.

Everyone involved makes sure that everyone else is playing fairly. You
know where your name should be... If you do not "send" the money you
will not "receive" much money since your name will not be
redistributed on multiple lists. Without this important step, there is
no multiplication effect and be prepared to receive only very little.

REMEMBER - HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.

ENJOY!


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CHERNOBYL:

The greatest commercial nuclear disaster, EVER.
Find out why it happened, who's at fault, how
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From JimC-Polytech@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:36 EDT 1996
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From: James Crowell <JimC-Polytech@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture,alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: please help with general design concepts for hurrican/food resistant houses
Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:06:17 GMT
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In reply to your request for a building system to handle high winds and 
heavy water, I have patented, lab tested, and field tested (including a 
200 mph typhoon in Guam) a construction system using plastic that can 
handle these conditions.  We have dropped a bowling ball from two 
stories causing only a temporary dent (the material has full memory).  
The material has passed the Florida flying 2X4 test.  Additionally, it 
provides lower energy and maintenance bills than traditional 
construction.  My clients describe it as "living year round in Hawaii". 
We are just now preparing to take it internationally.

As for your ending comment about cost, we are cost-competitive with 
conventional construction.  However, as Mike Fletcher commented, what are 
your real conditions?  I know of no area that has hurricanes and floods 
every ten days.  It does not sound like the best place to build.

List your conditions a little better, and we will try to help you.

Sincerely,

James Crowell
President
PolyTech Systems, Inc.



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Does anyone have any information on the designer Kwok Hoi Chan who
designed for Sieges Steiner, Paris?  I'm particularly interested in
finding information/references to a chair design called 'Limande'.
This design has a tubular steel frame and upholstered back & seat
elements. 

  please email me; graham@mancha.demon.co.uk
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     Hello.  I'm new here.  For a couple of years now I've been reading, 
studying, and building various sized models of different geodesic domes.  
My eventual goal is to build my own house.  What I have in mind is to 
build a geodesic dome and cover it with an earth mound for the advantages 
of an undergound house (mostly heating efficenty).

     It seems nearly all of the books I have found date back to the 
'70s.  I can understand some of the problems they faced and why the domes 
didn't take off as they projected.  Some of these I think were personal 
issues that are not important to me so I'll ignore them.  Some were 
truely building considerations, most notable that the vast majority of 
the owner built domes leaked.  I think lessons can be learned from that 
and by applying those lessons and some modern materials which were not 
available or too expensive twenty years ago these problems can be 
overcome.  The other thing I've run into is that most books only cover 
domes of the two or three frequency breakdowns.

     I'm looking for any information concerning geodesic domes.  In my 
particular instance, due to the earth shelter idea meaning a good amount 
of dead weight on the roof, I am mostly looking at higher frequency domes 
to be able to support the load without the beams getting to large to be 
workable.  My currentl vision is for a dome of about 40' diameter, and 
likely it will be linked to some smaller domes with connecting archways.  
I think to do this and support the earth load I will probably need to go 
with a 6v or 8v alternative dome.  This way I should be able to support 
the load and still keep the main beams to no more than about 5' long and 
a weight that they can still be carried and put in place by two people.




			    Brian Petroski
			Just your stereotypical
			     polyamorous,
			       bisexual
			    solitary pagan



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From r-g.morgan@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:47 EDT 1996
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RENT !  DO NOT BUY!  TOO UNSTABLE THERE!!

I love Mexico and visit native Mexicans whenever I can.  I thought I 
would like to retire there also but decided to stay in the USA and make 
more trips.........renting apts or condos as I go.


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NOT TRUE ! You can OWM property in Mexico!!!!!!!!!


From ccastile@cyberstreet.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:49 EDT 1996
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From: CCastile <ccastile@cyberstreet.com>
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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From chita@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:50 EDT 1996
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
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Robert Morgan wrote:
> 
> RENT !  DO NOT BUY!  TOO UNSTABLE THERE!!
> 
> I love Mexico and visit native Mexicans whenever I can.  I thought I
> would like to retire there also but decided to stay in the USA and make
> more trips.........renting apts or condos as I go.

    I agree that renting is a better deal (usually) for Americans living
in Mexico, but certainly not for reasons of instability. There are a
great many disadvantages to the idea of retiring in Mexico. But if by
"stability" problems, you meant some sort of concerted effort to rip off
the elderly foreigners there, or economic instability, I would suggest
that you take a hard look at what elders are facing here.


From r-g.morgan@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:52 EDT 1996
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No, Chita, I wasn't referring to the elderly ( I agree btw).  I am 
concerned about the political situation whereas any law permitting 
foreigners buying homes could be swept away with changing governmental 
whims and moods.  The PRI may not hold control forever!  Altho they may 
control the government for the rest of MY lifetime.  Who 
knows>>>>>>>>>>>right?


From cedric@hexvision.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:53 EDT 1996
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From matt@netins.net Wed Sep 25 13:33:55 EDT 1996
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From shelters@sprynet.com Wed Sep 25 13:33:57 EDT 1996
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Subject: Affordable Instant Storage Shelters & Greenhouses
Date: 20 Sep 1996 04:56:58 GMT
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1 800 747 4434
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From fwp@vcn.bc.ca Wed Sep 25 13:33:59 EDT 1996
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From: fwp@vcn.bc.ca (Franklin Wayne Poley)
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Franklin Wayne Poley (fwp@vcn.bc.ca) wrote:
: In accordance with Usenet rules there will be 30 days of discussion for 
: the proposed new Newsgroup <talk.culturex.newcity> during which notice is 
: to be posted to relevant Newsgroups like this. Please contact the email 
: addresses below for further discussion and voting details.
:    It is my firm belief that cities-built-anew can be designed to solve the 
: common presenting problems of humankind on this planet from pollution to 
: traffic congestion to affordable housing to accountable politics. The 
: city with its associated towns, farms and individual estates is the unit 
: of culture worldwide. The culturex newsgroup will focus on clear a priori 
: proof beyond reasonable doubt that "solutions for a small planet" can be 
: derived at the city level if cities are built anew.
: Sincerely-Dr. Franklin Wayne Poley.

:                              ***CULTURE X*** 
:  *** Can a group of international discussants come up with a set of 
: 'solutions for a small planet', focusing first on the city-built-anew as 
: the unit of culture worldwide? To subscribe send a blank e-mail 
: to <culturex-r@catalina.org> or send a letter to moderator at 
: <fwp@vcn.bc.ca>. ***

--
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From mcfletch@itrc.uwaterloo.ca Wed Sep 25 13:34:00 EDT 1996
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From: mcfletch@itrc.uwaterloo.ca (Mike C. Fletcher)
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If you're talking _continuous_ effects of this nature, you would
almost certainly have to use a nature-imitating form.  In particular,
if you were to scrape down to bedrock, then build up from it with
large fused stone to create an island of bedrock which placed the
entire living area say 15 feet above the earth, with the rock built
right around the house in a low slope, you should be able to handle
continuous effects of this type.
Since it's not likely you'd be asking the question in a hilly area,
I've assumed you're talking about a lowland area where there are no
bedrock intrusions.  If there are, they'd be quite nice.  You'd still
need to go very deep though, because with those volumes of water every
10 days, you've be looking at building in a river.
Secondary considerations would be providing power and potable water
>from  within the island mass.  You would also want to look at
reinforcing the roof to acomodate lift and to be constructed as a
single, heavy piece which does not attempt to alter the general shape
of the rock hill.  As for making this thing interesting, you can
create something that looks like its an ancient building carved out of
the rock, with an open courtyard (not ajacent to the house) or two for
living between the storms.  You can play with all sorts of cthonics
and snake images, death, rebirth, cave paintings in sacred areas of
the builidings, the whole shebang. You might also consider the passion
of the storm, and maybe make a "storm-feeler's" roost, a place where a
person can go to feel the fury of the storm.  Incidentally, these
buildings would also have decent thermal capacities, and would adapt
well to multi-unit dwellings.  You would likely build the rock islands
out of scrap concrete from demolitions embedded in a new-concrete
matrix, facing the interior with tile or the like to allow easy
cleanup when the waters rise higher than you've allowed for... sheesh,
words are so inadequate to express designs.

Yes: I do realise that this is an enourmous and expensive way to deal
with the problem, but I think it has a brutal elegance in the way it
deals with habitation, returning as it does to the roots of shelter,
before even architecture, where we could find shelter within the earth
itself.

It's an interesting problem, I may just sketch out a few ideas while
I'm working here.  One seldom gets to do fantastic architecture.  PS,
just out of curiosity, is this a project for another planet, a
doomsday future or fantasy scenario, or is there some part of the
world currently experiencing sub-fortnightly catastropies?

Cheers, and remember, they're just thoughts!
Mike Fletcher

______________________________
M i k e   C .  F l e t c h e r
  mcfletch@itrc.uwaterloo.ca
______________________________
Design, Consultation, Training



From dhadley@fairfield.com Wed Sep 25 13:34:01 EDT 1996
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Subject: FREE DEMO FOR CHIEF ARCHITECT 4.0 IS NOW AVAILABLE!!!!
Date: 20 Sep 1996 13:49:10 GMT
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From dhadley@fairfield.com Wed Sep 25 13:34:02 EDT 1996
Article: 8121 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: "Douglas Hadley" <dhadley@fairfield.com>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.building.architecture,alt.cad,alt.online-service.america-online,comp.cad.autocad,lisco.fairfield
Subject: PENTIUM 133MHZ - ONLY $999!!!!!!!!!
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From sengkin@pl.jaring.my Wed Sep 25 13:34:03 EDT 1996
Article: 8122 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: sengkin@pl.jaring.my (SAM)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: CLIMATIC DESIGN : THE MAHONEY TABLES
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:52:18 GMT
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HI !

DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE MAHONEY TABLES?

I AM INTERESTED IN THE WINDOWS SIZING (FOR NATURAL COOLING) IN
THE DESIGN RECOMMENDATION PART. I NEED TO KNOW HOW IT HAD BEEN
DERIVED, BECAUSE IT IS RATHER STRANGE THAT THE MAHONEY TABLES DO
NOT INCLUDE WIND SPEED AND DIRECTION FOR THE SIZING OF WINDOWS.

I NEED TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE I AM CURRENTLY DOING A STUDY FOR ITS
APPLICATION IN HOT HUMID MALAYSIAN CLIMATE WHERE MEAN WIND SPEED
IS RATHER SLOW (1-2 m/s).

THE AVAILABLE WINDOWS SIZING METHOD FOR CROSS VENTILATION IS
RATHER "ISOLATED". THE MAHONEY TABLES CONSIDER RH AND AIR TEMP.
WHILE THERE ARE SOME METHODS CONSIDER WIND SPEED AND DIRECTION,
TERRAIN TYPE AND THE EFFECTS OF ADJACENT BUILDINGS. SOME STUDIES
SHOWED THAT DIRECT SOLAR RADIATION HEAT GAIN AND DAYLIGHTING ALSO
THE FACTORS DETERMINING THE SIZE OF WINDOWS. I HOPE THAT SOMEONE
CAN TELL ME IF THERE IS A METHOD INTERGRATING ALL THE MENTIONED
PARAMETER.

THANKS.

PEACE
SAM



From earthshp@taos.newmex.com Wed Sep 25 13:34:04 EDT 1996
Article: 8123 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: "Jonah Reynolds" <earthshp@taos.newmex.com>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Earthships
Date: 20 Sep 1996 16:48:05 GMT
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Anyone interested in Self-Sufficient Home that take care of you and the
planet check out the Web site at csf.colorado.edu/earthship!



From robina@pacific.net.sg Wed Sep 25 13:34:05 EDT 1996
Article: 8124 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: robina@pacific.net.sg (Robin Abecasis)
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Subject: Re: <<<***Do not vote for Bob Dole***>>> READ THIS
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On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 16:17:05 -0700, Larry Spiritspeaker
<angels@inreach.com> wrote:

>Why was this posted to alt.aromatherapy???
Cos the people posting are twits! They seem to be posting to a few groups
of completely no relevance!

-- 
Robin Abecasis - Acorns in Singapore... (Renegade Offline)


From weaton@serv.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:06 EDT 1996
Article: 8125 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Will Eaton <weaton@serv.net>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Faux Finishing Web Site
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:04:32 -0700
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If you are interested in learning Faux Finishing and/or Decorative 
Painting Techniques, then check out this Web Site:
	http://www.serv.net/faux/index.html


From damian.martin.dhss@nics.gov.uk Wed Sep 25 13:34:07 EDT 1996
Article: 8126 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: "Damian Martin" <damian.martin.dhss@nics.gov.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.alt.test,alt.alumni.iona-prep,alt.america.online,alt.animals.whales,alt.anonymous,alt.aol-sucks,alt.archery,alt.architecture,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.architecture.int-design,alt.autos.sport.nhra,alt.aviation.bill-mulcahy.screech.bab
Subject: How to make me rich $$$$ (and maybe you)
Date: 23 Sep 1996 23:33:52 GMT
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Take 5 minutes to read what follows:

I have seen numerous articles in newsgroups telling me I could
make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.

I think it is nonsense but for a $5 investment am willing to be proved
wrong.  The three steps to be followed are given below and I have copied
them from some other guys message (sorry).

He claims to have made $32,000 in a matter of weeks and says that it is a
legitimate investment  opportunity. You  invest $5,  and you  receive a
return on  your investment. So  does the next  investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A
CHAIN LETTER- PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE.

 If  you  are not  interested,  then  don't participate,  but
 please print this article and pass  it on to someone who may
 be interested, so they can take advantage.

 The procedure is simple: 1) Write your name and address on 5
 sheets of paper.   Below that, write the  words, "Please add
 me to  your mailing  list." Fold  $1 note  or bank  draft or
 money order  in each  piece of  paper and  mail them  to the
 following 5 addresses.:

 
  1. Vic Williams
     14307 Virtue Rd.
     Lenoir City, Tn  37772  USA

  2. Bill Brown
     148 South Downlen #796
     Beaumont, Tx. 77707     USA

  3. Olivier Arcadipane
      237 rue Francois Andre
      7390 Quaregnon       BELGIUM

  4.  Fernando Vereau M.
       PB 1022
       PO BOX 02-5645
       MIAMI, Florida 33102-5645
       USA	

  5.  C Martin
       19 Alt-Min Avenue
        Belfast BT4 3TP
        N.Ireland
	  
  2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other
  four names up. In other words,  #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put
  your name as the  fifth one on the list.   Use a simple text
  editor such as  Notepad,  in your   "accessories" window (If
  you have  MS-Windows),or DOS  editor.   In fact,  any editor
  will do.

  3) Post  the article to at  least 200 newsgroups.  There are
  22,000+, so  it shouldn't  be hard  to find  that many.   Try
  posting to as  many  newsgroups as you can,   and the bigger
  the newsgroup is,  the more  people are to see your message!

  You  are now  in  the mail  order  investment business,  and
  should start seeing returns within a week or two. Of course,
  the more newsgroups you post to, the greater your return is.
  If you  wish to remain anonymous,  you may use  a psuedonym,
  call yourself  "The Manager", "The Boss",  whatever but make
  sure your address is correct.

  Now, here is why the system works:

  -Of every  200 posts  I made, I  received 5  responses. Yes,
  only 5. You make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.

  -Each person who  sent you $1 now also  makes 200 additional
  postings with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. On average
  therefore, 50 people will send you  $1 with your name at #4.
  $50.

  -Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at
  #3 or  10,000 postings.  Average return  500 people  = $500.
  They make  200 postings  each with  your name  at #2=100,000
  postings=5000 return at $1 each=$5000.

  -Finally, 5,000 people  make 200 postings with  your name at
  #1 and  you get a return  of $50,000 before your  name drops
  off the list. AND THATS IF  EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES 200 POSTINGS!
Total income in one cycle=$55,000.

  From time to  time, when you see your name  no longer on the
  list,  you  take the  latest  posting  that appears  in  the
  newsgroups, and  send out another $5,  and put your  name at
  #5, and start posting again. Remember,  200 postings is only
  a guideline. the more you post, the greater the return.

  Lets review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $5, AND
  5 STAMPS, AND 5 ENVELOPES.  Anyone can afford $5 for such   an effortless
investment with such SPECTACULAR RETURNS.

  Some people have said to me,  "what happens if the scheme is
  played out and no one sends me any money?  "Big Deal, so you
  lose $5-but what are the chances of that happening ?? Do you
  Realize that  NOBODY cares for  the LEGAL chance  of winning
  such  a BIG  money as  50,000.00  $$$$ ????  and  all for  a
  microscopic investment of five  separate dollars? just think
  of all  of the new  Internet users that  join the  net every
  day!!!

  There are  millions of internet  users, and millions  of new
  net surfers every  month !!!  This is the  great plus of the
  Internet,  people all over the world can hear you and listen
  carefully if you  talk reasonably.  Everyone  will take that
  chance !  I agree,  If  it wasn't the  Internet,  and  was a
  small circle  of people,  the chance  wouldn't have  been so
  small.  the amount of money had to be 200 times bigger,  and
  the chances were zero.  It wouldn't succeed.

  But here, on the Internet, it is a giant village,  where new
  thousands of members join in every day ! you CAN'T lose !!!!

  Remember- read the instructions  carefully, and play fairly.
  That's the  only way this will  work. Get a printout  so you
  can refer back to this article easily.

  Try to  keep a  list of  everyone that  sends you  money and
  always keep an eye on the  postings to make sure everyone is
  playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

  REMEMBER-HONESTY IS  THE BEST  POLICY.  YOU  DO NOT  NEED TO CHEAT THIS 
IDEA TO  MAKE MONEY!!   BESIDES,NOT  PLAYING THE GAME  FAIRLY  IS
ILLEGAL.SO  LET'S  BE  REASONABLE AND  PLAY   FAIRLY,SO WE CAN ALL ENJOY
THE INTERNET GOLD MINE.

  GOOD LUCK  FOR YOU ALL, And  remember, play fair  and you'll  win,  



From davidb@alexia.net.au Wed Sep 25 13:34:08 EDT 1996
Article: 8127 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: "David Buch" <davidb@alexia.net.au>
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Subject: Sincere Apologies
Date: 21 Sep 1996 03:44:47 GMT
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I would like to express my sincerest apologies to all I have offended by
putting the "Make Money" message on your newsgroup.

I honestly had no idea it was illegal, and had I known, would definately
not have even thought of putting it out there.

I also seem to have sent it to some newsgroups I did not mean to, by
accident. 

Rest assured, I will not ever be putting something like this out there
again!

Again, my apologies!


Regards.




From Howard.Bernier@lamRC.com Wed Sep 25 13:34:10 EDT 1996
Article: 8128 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Howard Bernier <Howard.Bernier@lamRC.com>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.architecture.int-design,misc.consumers.house,ne.jobs
Subject: HELP!!! Need questions answered for school project!!
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:07:02 -0700
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Hi everyone!!!!

My wife has written a survey for a school project and asked me to post
it for her.  Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Please respond via e-mail. While I will be checking the news groups for
responses, e-mail will get to me quicker so I can get the info back to
my wife.

			Thanks a bunch!!!
			Howard
			Howard.Bernier@lamrc.com

1) What do you think an Interior Designer does?

2) Have you ever hired or worked with an Interior Designer?

3) Would you ever consider hiring an Interior Designer?

4) What is your favorite restaurant?  Why do you like it?  Does it have 
anything to do with the atmosphere of the interior?

5) What newsgroup are you responding from?


From petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us Wed Sep 25 13:34:11 EDT 1996
Article: 8129 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Brian K Petroski <petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.rural,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.mexico
Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:47:56 -0500
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On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Robert Morgan wrote:

> No, Chita, I wasn't referring to the elderly ( I agree btw).  I am 
> concerned about the political situation whereas any law permitting 
> foreigners buying homes could be swept away with changing governmental 
> whims and moods.  The PRI may not hold control forever!  Altho they may 
> control the government for the rest of MY lifetime.  Who 
> knows>>>>>>>>>>>right?

     Just a personal quip, but me me "my lifetime" isn't long enough.  I 
want our kids to be able to inherit what I build and be able to live 
there for as long as they like, and likewise as many generation after 
them who are willing to maintain the land.



			    Brian Petroski
			Just your stereotypical
			     polyamorous,
			       bisexual
			    solitary pagan



From webarch@kern.com Wed Sep 25 13:34:12 EDT 1996
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From: webarch@kern.com
Newsgroups: alt.architecture.alternative
Subject: Re: ~You have to see this
Date: 20 Sep 1996 22:46:57 GMT
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In <Pine.OSF.3.91.960918211925.5684A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>, Karl Frederick Luedke <karlfl@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> writes:
>
>	Is there any way to  prevent postings like these? I'm getting 
>sick of wading through all the garbage in my mailbox!
>
>					Sincerely,
>
>						Karlfl

Sort of:

E-Mail a copy of the entire message to the people in charge of the site that
propagated the rubbish. These people hate nothing more than a mailbox full
of complaints about one of their subscribers. This generally results in the 
person who sent it losing their account.

Be sure to look at more than the "from" line, these are frequently fakes
something along the lines of "kewl looser@whitehouse.gov" or some other
ridiculousness. 

The message ID usually will contain enough info to track down the service provider.

Ted Blockley





From jmcarsey@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:12 EDT 1996
Article: 8131 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: "James Carsey" <jmcarsey@worldnet.att.net>
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Subject: MONEY!!! EASY, LEGAL, FAST!
Date: 21 Sep 1996 18:20:17 GMT
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Taking 5 minutes to read this may be one of the best decisions you ever
make.

My name is not important. What is important is what happened to me.  
In December of 1994, my business went bankrupt because of the poor state of
the 
economy.  My cars were repossessed and debt collectors were hounding me
like you 
would not believe.  I owed thousands and bankruptcy seemed to be my only
future.  My 
family, my reputation, my sanity, and my life was at stake. I became very
ill.
On January 9,1995, I saw an article on an internet newsgroup telling me I
could make 
$50,00 within 4 weeks for an investment of only $5.  I thought it was a
huge joke!  I spoke 
to my attorney and friends about it and they thought likewise.  But after
three days of 
desperate struggle in court to keep from going bankrupt, I decided I had
nothing to lose.

My family and I, in desperation, grasped at straws and sent $1 by  snail
mail to each of the 
5 names and addresses specified in the article.  We. Then placed our own
name and 
address in the article and posted it in 200 other newsgroups.

Two weeks later, I started receiving money in the mail!  I could not
believe it!  Hundreds of 
dollars turned into thousands, and in the four weeks, I received a total of
 $57,883.  It 
came from all over the world.

If you follow the three steps below, there is no reason whatsoever that why
the same 
should not happen to you.  This is a perfectly legitimate investment
opportunity.  You 
invest $5 and you receive return on your investment.  So does the next
investor.  NOT 
ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER - PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE!
OBVIOUSLY IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED, THEN DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT 
PLEASE PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO MAY WISH TO 
TAKE ADVANTAGE.

The procedure is very simple.

Step 1.  Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper with 
the words "Please add me to your mailing list." Fold a $1 bill or money
order 
in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to the following 5 addresses:

1. Mike Burek, 2007 Sunny Brook Dr., Austin ,Tx. 78723-3451  USA
2. Todd Faggoa, 75 Courtney Rd., Dartmouth, NS B3A4C3 Canada
3.  Dave Scott, 3399 E. Stone Mountain ln., Sandy, UT, 84092  USA
4.  Julio Guerrero, 2501 Lake Austin Blvd J-102, Austin Tx 78703, USA
5. S. Danilov, 1827 58 St., Brooklyn  NY 11204, USA

Step 2. Now remove the 1st name from the top of the list and put your name
and address as number 5 on the list.  You can do this by re-typing this
article or simply
editing and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.

Step 3. Post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (There are
17000 of them)

You are now in the mail order investment business and you will start to
receiving $1 
returns within a week or two.  The more newsgroups you post to, the bigger
your return 
will be. You may want to rent a Post office box to handle the volume of
mail you are likely 
to receive. If you wish to remain anonymous , you can use a pseudonym such
as "The
Manager"  or "The investor",  But make sure you address is correct!

NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!

Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES -
ONLY 5, each 
with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200 postings WITH YOUR NAME
AT 
NUMBER 5.

Each person who sent you $1 now also makes, let's say, only  200 additional
postings 
WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings On average, therefore, 50 
people will send you $1 with your name at number 4.  You make $50.

Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3.  Or 
10,000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500.  They make 200
postings each 
With YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100,000 Postings. = 5000 returns at $1 each =
$5,000.  

Finally, 5000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1. 
And you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list.
AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE MAKES ONLY 200 POSTINGS!

TOTAL INCOME IN ONE CYCLE $55,500.

>From  time to time, when your name drops off the list, you take the latest
posting that is 
appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE 
ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING 
AGAIN.  REMEMBER, 200 POSTINGS IS ONLY A GUIDELINE.  THE MORE YOU 
POST THE GRATER YOUR RETURN.

Let's review the reasons you should do this:  The only cost factors are 5
stamps, five envelopes, and $5. Anyone can afford five dollars to put into
such an
effortless investment with SPECTACULAR RETURNS!  

Some people have said to me "What if the scheme gets played out and no one
sends me any money?"  Big deal!  You loose $5.  BUT, WHAT IF IT WORKS!
Think of what
you stand to gain!

Do you realize how many newsgroups there are?  Do you realize how many
times this can be played out over and over, with COMPLETELY NEW people
participating? 
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF NEWSGROUP USERS EVERY MONTH!

Remember, read the instructions carefully and PLAY FAIRLY....That's the
only way this will work for everyone.  Get a printout so you can refer back
to this
article easily.

There is always the temptation to NOT send the money, and re-post the
article anyway. There is nothing to keep you from doing this...But remember
that if the
people who re-post YOUR article do the same, then you make no money either.
 LET'S ALL BE HONEST, AND WE CAN ALL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY!!

REMEMBER, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.

Enjoy!









From r-g.morgan@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:14 EDT 1996
Article: 8132 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Robert Morgan <r-g.morgan@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.rural,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.mexico
Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:49:21 -0700
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Well, I understand.........but how would your grandchildren like sharing 
your nice investment with 30-40 unemployed squatting native Mexican 
Indians, corrupt politicians, and bribe seeking policemen!  Could happen 
if things are not brought under control.........a very tall order, 
indeed???  I love Mexico and Mexicans alot BUT my money is staying in the 
good ole USA (which needs some serious shaping up itself) Entiende??


From chita@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:14 EDT 1996
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.rural,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.mexico
Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:37:46 -0700
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Brian K Petroski wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Robert Morgan wrote:
> 
> > No, Chita, I wasn't referring to the elderly ( I agree btw).  I am
> > concerned about the political situation whereas any law permitting
> > foreigners buying homes could be swept away with changing governmental
> > whims and moods.  The PRI may not hold control forever!  Altho they may
> > control the government for the rest of MY lifetime.  Who
> > knows>>>>>>>>>>>right?

      I'm sorry for the nested quote, I can't seem to find the original
message. 
 
      Right off, the "law permitting foreigners to own" isn't just a
statute - it's a Constitutional Amendment. A whole lot would have to go
to hell before such a thing could be overturned. Mexico isn't Columbia,
where the Supreme Court is simply taken out by masked bandits and
executed in the street. Further, Mexico does not operate by these
formalities, near as I can tell. The federal government is so
inefficient, localities go through their own consensus building process
independently - and where I am, it's already accepted as a way of life.
They fully expect the Feds will get to the formalities someday.
Meanwhile, they contract with ATT to build a huge fiber optic link right
up the coast... because they're planning a life built around trading
with their nearest neighbor. 
      
     I do agree that Mexico is undergoing change, politically as well as
economically and culturally. I don't agree with what appears to be your
view that sudden or sweeping governmental change would/could result in
foreign ownership being tossed out the window on a whim.   NOTHING in
Mexican government happens suddenly. Channels of communication are a
problem for the native population, the infrastructure of the country is
abysmal and primitive in many, many areas. So Mexico-centered folks got
their clocks cleaned by that last devaluation cycle.  But there has
always been a certain distance between the federales and the local
populations of most areas. This isn't just a governmental thing, that
relationship is informed by history. I'll say only that in Baja (which
is where I chose to buy) most people have been making contracts
denominated in dollars for some years now. It's one of the first things
newcomers are told.  

     Of COURSE the PRI will not control the government forever! Please
note: PAN (the "other" party, as it were) is even friendlier to foreign
investment and hard currency - and to Mexico's stature in the world
community - than the PRI, who've only recently presented leaders who
understand the benefits of opening the country rather than closing it.
PAN is seen by some outsiders as frightening because change of any sort
is frightening to people who wish to go into a country and EXPLOIT a
helpless, leashed population. PAN is seen as causing "union trouble." 
(Think about what that would mean in America.) PAN notices and talks out
loud about the one-party semi-dictatorship that PRI represents. What
kind of politics is it that feels more secure with dictatorship than
with more freedom? 

     Blunt people have been calling NAFTA "The Foreign Investor
Protection Act" for as long as I can remember too.  Change IS coming to
Mexico - and its direction is toward more international presence, not
less. Look around. The whole WORLD is moving toward the classic American
model of more freedom. We WON the Cold War. It would be a terrible irony
if we responded to that by going all Nervous Nellie.


From chita@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:15 EDT 1996
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.rural,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.mexico
Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
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Robert Morgan wrote:
> 
> Well, I understand.........but how would your grandchildren like sharing
> your nice investment with 30-40 unemployed squatting native Mexican
> Indians, corrupt politicians, and bribe seeking policemen!  Could happen
> if things are not brought under control.........a very tall order,
> indeed???  I love Mexico and Mexicans alot BUT my money is staying in the
> good ole USA (which needs some serious shaping up itself) Entiende??
   
     I dunno where you're talking about, but I suspect my grandchildren
would be at least as comfortable sharing space with 30-40 unemployed
native Mexican Indians as MY mother was with a whole city filled with
thugs, gangsters and well-armed drug addicts who'd think nothing of
stomping, raping and murdering an old lady for pocket change - or just
for the hell of it. 
 
     That was another big reason for the move: after investigating the
situation for a couple of years (I was dragged kicking and screaming,
energized by many of the same thoughts you've shared) I felt much safer
leaving my Mum alone in a rural Mexican area where the nearest town was
ten miles away. I came to see that, even if someone did break in to
steal a stereo or somesuch, I would come home to only a missing stereo,
not a mugged, murdered mother. 

     I have complaints about some differences between the two countries.
But with respect to gratuitous, random violence, Mexico beats America by
MILES AND MILES AND MILES. It's one of the most striking feelings I not
when I cross the border. Things here feel SCAREY compared to there.


From r-g.morgan@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:16 EDT 1996
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From: Robert Morgan <r-g.morgan@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.rural,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.mexico
Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
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Gosh, Chita, your points are well taken.  With you living there on a day 
to day basis I guess you have a better handle on things...as a casual 
outside observer I see things differently.  As a result your comfort 
level for that situation is mucher higher than mine.  Isn't Baja really 
another world onto it's own, though?


From r-g.morgan@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:17 EDT 1996
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From: Robert Morgan <r-g.morgan@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.rural,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.mexico
Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
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Well, again we have different perspectives.......where I live their is 
very little violence and never has been ........so if you've come from 
the inner city with those problems, I can certainly understand....btw, 
where are you living in Mex (Baja)?


From michael.lamb@nciinc.com Wed Sep 25 13:34:18 EDT 1996
Article: 8137 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: Michael Lamb <michael.lamb@nciinc.com>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.architecture.int-design,misc.consumers.house,ne.jobs
Subject: Re: HELP!!! Need questions answered for school project!!
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:17:25 -0700
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Howard Bernier wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone!!!!
> 
> My wife has written a survey for a school project and asked me to post
> it for her.  Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
> 
> Please respond via e-mail. While I will be checking the news groups for
> responses, e-mail will get to me quicker so I can get the info back to
> my wife.
> 
>                         Thanks a bunch!!!
>                         Howard
>                         Howard.Bernier@lamrc.com
> 
> 1) What do you think an Interior Designer does?

Some make a house prettier, some screw it up more.
> 
> 2) Have you ever hired or worked with an Interior Designer?

A few
> 
> 3) Would you ever consider hiring an Interior Designer?

Not generally
 
> 4) What is your favorite restaurant?  Why do you like it?  Does it have
> anything to do with the atmosphere of the interior?
> A little mom& pop joint called the Yorkshire Restaurant. Forget the 
atmosphere, it's a dump. But the foor is good (usually) and cheap.

 5) What newsgroup are you responding from?

misc. Consumer home rep


From nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu Wed Sep 25 13:34:20 EDT 1996
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From: nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu (Nick Pine)
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Subject: Vortex effect for energy transfer.
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Reposting for Valerie...

Dear collegues,

I have been lurking in this newsgroup for about one year. I was hoping to find
somebody who has some experience on the Vortex (or Ranque) effect, but
I cannot. I have attached my Singapore conference paper abstract for those
who may be interested in it, and if anybody is interested, I would like to
discuss this phenomenon.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

                     Low pressure vortex pipe.

     Several authors have studied high-efficiency vortex devices. Self-vacuum
type vortex pipes are much more effective (3 times) than conventional
machines.  The use of conventional vortex pipes is limited in engineering
applications because of low thermodynamic efficiency.  The separation of
gaseous condensate, separation of liquified air, etc. are typical examples. 

No study of vortex pipes used as heaters has appeared in the literature.
Some technological studies on heat generation using new techniques and heat
transformation devices must be undertaken to meet the energy requirements
of societies.  For this reason, some devices such as vapor-compression and
absorption heat pumps are considered. In this study, a new vortex air heater
which used higher flow rates provided higher heat production rate than those
obtained by conventional heat pump devices. As a new technique in this system
a fan was installed in the cavity of the vortex pipe and created a rotative
flow (without using a compressor).  This vortex flow obtained by the fan
provided warm and cold flows, based on the Ranque effect. This device
increased the air temperature between 6-10C. Its experimental heating factor
was determined to be 6.93. The experimental results show that the development
of large-scale vortex heat pipes as heat pumping devices is possible. 

Calculations indicate that the use of flow rates over 7000 cm/h provides a
COP over 20.  Improving the geometry of these devices will increase the
efficiency and heating factor.

Sincerely yours,

--- 
Valerie I. Kotelnikov                   Tuvinian Complex Institute,
academic secretary                      667007, Russia, Republic of
phone 7 394 2236355                     Tuva, Kyzyl, International st.,117a,
fax   7 394 2236555                     e-mail us@tko.tuva.su



From chita@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:21 EDT 1996
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.rural,alt.architecture.alternative,alt.mexico
Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
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Robert Morgan wrote:
> 
> Well, again we have different perspectives.......where I live their is
> very little violence and never has been ........so if you've come from
> the inner city with those problems, I can certainly understand....btw,
> where are you living in Mex (Baja)?  Between Rosarito and Ensenada.

    Well, you're quite right when you note that Baja is/can be quite
different from, say, anywhere near Mexico City. <G> It is very much an
extension of Southern California. There are some 150,000 Americans
there, many of them retired. An increasing number of younger Americans
though, because as they visit their grand/parents, they get a different
perspective. But Baja is not entirely homogenous either, any more than
California is. I've also spent some time in a couple of other areas,
including Sinaloa. In the end, the prime mover was my mother, who liked
San Diego weather and also wanted to keep her Kaiser plan. So moving an
hour south of the border made an easy commute. In Tijuana, there are
also increasing numbers of Americans, who work on one side of the border
and live (much more frugally) on the other. I ran into a college student
who owned her own home about two blocks from the beach. At $15,000,
there was no way she could have owned a home on this side - anywhere,
not just at the beach. As we chatted, she mentioned she'd been thinking
of opening a used baby clothing store with one of her (Mexican)
neighbors after she graduated. 

    Me, I still have a significant ... I guess you'd call it a problem
... with some Mexican national habits. They don't do infrastructure and
that alarms most Americans, I think. It APPALLS us, to be blunt. It's a
cultural difference I don't really understand. And I shall never get
past the "shrug the shoulders" habit of leaving dead animals in the
road. It about knocked me out at one point, when a dead cow was on a
main road -- for two weeks. You can imagine what the corpse looked like
by then. I finally stopped, found some "construction workers" (that
seems to be the generic term for "unemployed male" in Mexico...)  and
gave 'em $10 a piece to take it away.  

    If I had young children, I would NOT rear them there. In the overall
scheme of things, I think there is a competition amongst cultures, same
as amongst economic systems. An adult can make choices. Kids
indiscriminately suck up whatever influences them as their little brain
cells are maturing, the way a seedling sucks up nourishment or toxins in
the soil. There is a ... sense of learned helplessness in the Mexican
culture which I think wouldn't work well for most Americans' visions of
their children's futures. But at this moment, in my situation, I believe
it's a good deal for me and my family.  The Mexican government doesn't
care about non-citizen residence much, y'know. They don't have any
welfare, so foreigners are mostly good news, not bad. When a sufficient
number of Americans finally accrued in Ensenada, for instance, they
built a hospital! It raised standards for medical care throughout the
area. Which, I think, is one of the nicer things about people moving
around and settling in different places. People can get along and
improve one another's life experience. I know I've benefitted, grown
>from  learning my way around a different culture. I go at things somewhat
differently everywhere because of things I've learned in Baja.


From chita@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:22 EDT 1996
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
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Robert Morgan wrote:
> 
> Well, again we have different perspectives.......where I live their is
> very little violence and never has been ........so if you've come from
> the inner city with those problems, I can certainly understand...
 
     I dunno about "inner city."  It's a sad reality that a BUNCH of
drug trafficking shootouts and gang wars have moved into the heartland -
as in: Oklahoma is a major coke distribution center! I've lived in
several big cities, San Francisco, New York, Houston. Near as I can
tell, they are ALL becoming dung heaps of drugs and crime. I mean, it's
becoming one word, "urbanviolence." Suburbs with clean, pretty streets
still present tax, filth and economic problems. I looked all over
America for somewhere to "homestead."  There were places with climates
that'd kill my Mum or present huge economic problems paying for energy -
if I could make a living. (Remember, this didn't happen yesterday -
seven years ago, we had a good ole recession going here, which has
continued in some industries to the present.) There were places with
cultures I found unpleasant. I was born near water, and such people tend
not to be happy too far away from it and that presented another
restriction. 

     Originally, I refused to put Mexico on the list of Possibles, "It's
filthy! Poverty wracked! Corrupt! You can't drink the water!"  It turned
out my impressions were formed from a face that border cities show
touristas. The sort of lifestyle that develops in a town that makes its
living off drunken sailors and students prowling for prostitutes is
different from the life it lives out of that harsh spotlight. One finds
a different culture in the rural areas away from the immediate border. 
Some older Americans have told me it reminds them of California  - 50
years ago.


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apoligies accepted

David Buch <davidb@alexia.net.au> wrote in article
<01bba764$0623d380$22b70ecb@melb.melb.alexia.net.au>...
> I would like to express my sincerest apologies to all I have offended by
> putting the "Make Money" message on your newsgroup.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> 


From fixkaren@dolphin.upenn.edu Wed Sep 25 13:34:24 EDT 1996
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From: fixkaren@dolphin.upenn.edu (Karen Fix)
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I'm looking for a newsgroup that deals with historic preservation and/or 
architectural conservation issues.  Anybody know of any?  I'm aware of a 
number of web sites, but no newsgroups.  Thanks.


From knightd@puffin.curtin.edu.au Wed Sep 25 13:34:25 EDT 1996
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From: knight daniel m <knightd@puffin.curtin.edu.au>
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hello,

I'm an architectural student at curtin university in west australia.  I'm after
detailed info on the piazza san marco in venice, in particular the tower
situated in the square known as the "campanile".  I needed detailed plans,
sections, and elevations of the structure,  If you can help please e-mail me.
thanks.

regards,
D.Knight



From scamp@wesnet.com Wed Sep 25 13:34:26 EDT 1996
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ATTN: Anyone who has seen the postings from:
 
Scott Campbell scamp@wesnet.com
	or
scamp@wesnet.com
	or
“THE BOSS” scamp@wesnet.com

Concerning a “Get rich quick scheme”

	A person who had access to my computer used my preprogrammed passwords
to gain access to the net and then proceeded to post the SPAM to the
newsgroups. I have since dropped the automatic password entry from my
browser and dumped this so called friend. They thought that they could
escape notice (lay blame on me) by using my address and log-in while I’m
gone, NOT. If anyone sends anything to my address it will be returned. I
have no interest in these “Get rich quick schemes”. I do work hard for a
living and don’t want to see it go up in smoke for this. Please accept
my apology for the misuse of a “friend” of the newsgroups. Also please
quit sending me mail.

							Thank you,

							Scott Campbell
							scamp@wesnet.com
							The real Scott


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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:33:19 -0700, Scott Campbell <scamp@wesnet.com> wrote:

>ATTN: Anyone who has seen the postings from:
> 
>Scott Campbell scamp@wesnet.com
>	or
>scamp@wesnet.com
>	or
>“THE BOSS” scamp@wesnet.com
>
>Concerning a “Get rich quick scheme”
>
>	A person who had access to my computer used my preprogrammed passwords
>to gain access to the net and then proceeded to post the SPAM to the
>newsgroups. I have since dropped the automatic password entry from my
>browser and dumped this so called friend. They thought that they could
>escape notice (lay blame on me) by using my address and log-in while I’m
>gone, NOT. If anyone sends anything to my address it will be returned. I
>have no interest in these “Get rich quick schemes”. I do work hard for a
>living and don’t want to see it go up in smoke for this. Please accept
>my apology for the misuse of a “friend” of the newsgroups. Also please
>quit sending me mail.
>
>							Thank you,
>
>							Scott Campbell
>							scamp@wesnet.com
>							The real Scott
uh,huh,sure that's what happened and when do the monkeys fly out of your butt?


From hunting@tigger.jvnc.net Wed Sep 25 13:34:28 EDT 1996
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From: Eric Hunting <hunting@tigger.jvnc.net>
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Can anyone suggest manufacturers of modular space frame systems? I'm
particularly interested in the type using cast joints and screw-in rods.
I'm also trying to identify the manufacturer of the space frame system
used to construct the Biosphere complex. 

And does anyone have any information at all on the '21st Century House'
project at Catholic University?

Thanks.

Eric Hunting

hunting@tigger.jvnc.net

Your MaNiAs _become_ SCIENCE!


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From: tegan@ix.netcom.com (Terry Egan)
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Brian K Petroski <petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us> remodulated the electrons, thusly:

>     Hello.  I'm new here.  For a couple of years now I've been reading, 
>studying, and building various sized models of different geodesic domes.  
>My eventual goal is to build my own house.  What I have in mind is to 
>build a geodesic dome and cover it with an earth mound for the advantages 
>of an undergound house (mostly heating efficenty).
>
>	...
>
>     I'm looking for any information concerning geodesic domes. 
>
>			    Brian Petroski

	Brian, try  bit.listserv.geodesic, for a Usenet newsgroup on domes.
Every so often, a FAQ is posted there.


From heilbron@mail.powerup.com.au Wed Sep 25 13:34:30 EDT 1996
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From: heilbron@mail.powerup.com.au (Heilbronn and Partners Pty Ltd)
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Heilbronn & Partners Pty Ltd are Queensland's Largest Surveying and Town 
Planning firm.  We have a new web site at: 
http://www.powerup.com.au/~heilbron
At this site you may read industry related articles and get a corporate 
overview.  Please come and have a look!

Kind Regards

Michael Wernicke
IT MANAGER




From Tim_MacEachern@atl.sofkin.ca Wed Sep 25 13:34:31 EDT 1996
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Sanford Associates <mail@sanford-golf.com> wrote:

>[material deleted about their advertising Web page]

Why not put something of value on the page?  Something that ordinary
golfers would want to read to enhance their knowledge of the game?
Something to discuss on rec.sport.golf?

How about some material on the design principles you endorse?

Please make your site worth a visit.

Thanks


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From penson@sci.mus.mn.us Wed Sep 25 13:34:33 EDT 1996
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From: Chuck Penson <penson@sci.mus.mn.us>
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Nick Pine wrote:

<SNIP>

> No study of vortex pipes used as heaters has appeared in the literature.

<SNIP>

> flow (without using a compressor).  This vortex flow obtained by the fan
> provided warm and cold flows, based on the Ranque effect. This device
> increased the air temperature between 6-10C. Its experimental heating factor
> was determined to be 6.93.

<SNIP>

My only experience with anything like this was with a commercially made 
elecrtonics cooling device. I do not remember the brand name, but I 
think they are called vortex coolers. I have also heard of them refered 
to as "Hilsch" (sp?) tubes. 

These tubes are able to seperate warm and cold molecules of air through 
a process I confess I do not understand. They work very well but require 
_large_ quantities of air (20 CFM) at high pressure (100 PSI) to 
operate. We connected one (a very small gizmo) to our central compressed 
air system. Air streaming from the end of the device was cold enough to 
cause frost to develop around the nozzel. Air from the port on the side 
was hot enough to burn your hand. I discovered this the hard way. 

We toyed with the idea of using these to cool large spaces but concluded 
they were not effecient enough to be practical. 

It is exciting to think that a low pressure/volume device might be 
possible.

-- 
Chuck Penson
Education Division
Science Museum of Minnesota

penson@sci.mus.mn.us
612.221.4510 voice
612.224.5092 fax
http://comped.sci.mus.mn.us

Standard Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are etc. etc. ...

"Nothing is too wonderful to be true" -- Michael Faraday


From rschluet@gac.edu Wed Sep 25 13:34:34 EDT 1996
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From martiv@bullwinkle.che.utexas.edu Wed Sep 25 13:34:35 EDT 1996
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chita jing  <chita@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>    If I had young children, I would NOT rear them there. In the overall
>scheme of things, I think there is a competition amongst cultures, same
>as amongst economic systems. An adult can make choices. Kids
>indiscriminately suck up whatever influences them as their little brain
>cells are maturing, the way a seedling sucks up nourishment or toxins in

Would you prefer your children to grow up learning to glorify drugs,
violence, sex and apathy?
I think Mexico is, by far, a safer environment for rasing children.
I mean, they still have values down there, you know?

Regards.

-- 
Victor M. Martinez, Jr.           |         The University of Texas at Austin
martiv@che.utexas.edu             |        Department of Chemical Engineering
http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv | "What do they think I am... an engineer?"
>>>     It is a matter of intelligence, so your opinion is irrelevant     <<<


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From duckchow@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 25 13:34:38 EDT 1996
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On Sep 17, 1996 07:25:17, Janet Carter <jcarter@olympus.net> wrote: 

>
>>... Is there anyplace on the WEB with more info on these  
>>techniques?  I'd love to live in a structure like it! 
>

										[so would I]

jhindorff@usa.pipeline.com(Joe Hindorff) responded:

> 
>Try http://deatech.com/cobcottage/ 
> 

	A *very* good site, and its webmaster, Shannon, is most friendly and
helpful.  There is a cob construction newsgroup as well (just a couple
weeks old) ... there should be subscription details at the address Joe
gave, and if there aren't, email Shannon from there.

	Another cob site:
http://www.teleport.com/~sparking/cob/door.html

M J




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From aa492@freenet.hamilton.on.ca Wed Sep 25 13:34:41 EDT 1996
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Mastermind (mstrmind@nbnet.nb.ca) wrote:
: I'm looking for any and all comments/concepts on a house/building that
: could standup to a hurrican (175+ mph winds and thrown objects) and
: floods (10+ ft of water moving at 30+ mph) in a continuous fashion.(once
: every 10 days) 
<Snip>

If you really do expect to see that kind of frequent flooding why
not build your dwelling on a barge, or a series of barges. These
could be simple boxes  welded up out steel plate with
appropriate internal bulkheads to the size required. When the
flood comes your house "Rises to the occasion" The only problem
that remains is to prevent the thing from drifting away. Dig decent sized 
holes, several cubic yards in volume, fill with concrete and rebar with 
heavy chain embedded to make "anchors". I suspect that if you did it right 
anything short of a direct hit by a tornado would not be a cause for worry.
In fact if you really wanted to lower your disater insurance premium I 
could imagine a system of at least 3 anchors and some "ground tackle" 
which would let you snub the thing down so that even this level of 
discomfort might be survived. The question is of course: Where on 
earth gets this kind of weather and why would you want to live there?   

--


From nop24758@mail.telepac.pt Fri Sep 27 14:28:28 EDT 1996
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Alberti vs. Vitruvio


From daviev00@ac.usfca.edu Fri Sep 27 14:28:29 EDT 1996
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Hi,
I would like to request your input on 


	http://members.gnn.com/zentec/waldon.htm


Thank you
Eva


From us@tko.tuva.su Fri Sep 27 14:28:30 EDT 1996
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From: us@tko.tuva.su (Valery I. Kotelnikov)
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Chuck Penson wrote:

>Nick Pine wrote:
>
><SNIP>
>
>> No study of vortex pipes used as heaters has appeared in the literature.
>
><SNIP>
>
>> flow (without using a compressor).  This vortex flow obtained by the fan
>> provided warm and cold flows, based on the Ranque effect. This device
>> increased the air temperature between 6-10C. Its experimental heating factor
>> was determined to be 6.93.
>
><SNIP>
>
>My only experience with anything like this was with a commercially made
>elecrtonics cooling device. I do not remember the brand name, but I
>think they are called vortex coolers. I have also heard of them refered
>to as "Hilsch" (sp?) tubes.

Yes, it call Hilsch tubes, Vortex tubes and etc. Hilsch is first person
who studied it. It is a few company which manufactures vortex tubes.

>These tubes are able to seperate warm and cold molecules of air through
>a process I confess I do not understand.

Nobody can explain this effect.:)

>They work very well but require
>_large_ quantities of air (20 CFM) at high pressure (100 PSI) to
>operate.

Sure. But it is main goal my studies how we can decrease pressure and increase
productivity.

>We connected one (a very small gizmo) to our central compressed
>air system. Air streaming from the end of the device was cold enough to
>cause frost to develop around the nozzel. Air from the port on the side
>was hot enough to burn your hand. I discovered this the hard way.
>
>We toyed with the idea of using these to cool large spaces but concluded
>they were not effecient enough to be practical.

Sure. The typical vortex tubes is low efficient for practic, but we needs
to continue our plays with for searching best system I think. Decreasing
of pressure increase the their efficiency, you may see it in my abstract.
It is experimentally determined.

>Chuck Penson
>Education Division
>Science Museum of Minnesota

I visited Minnesota on last August. Why we not meet there?:)

--- 
Valerie I. Kotelnikov                   Tuvinian Complex Institute,
academic secretary                      667007, Russia, Republic of
phone 7 394 2236355                     Tuva, Kyzyl, International st.,117a,
fax   7 394 2236555                     e-mail us@tko.tuva.su                                        e-mail us@tko.tuva.su



From petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us Fri Sep 27 14:28:31 EDT 1996
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On 22 Sep 1996, Herman wrote:

> apoligies accepted
> 
> David Buch <davidb@alexia.net.au> wrote in article
> <01bba764$0623d380$22b70ecb@melb.melb.alexia.net.au>...
> > I would like to express my sincerest apologies to all I have offended by
> > putting the "Make Money" message on your newsgroup.
> > 

     Don't buy it.  Even the "appology" is a form letter and part of his 
con.  He posted the exact same appology about a month ago to the news 
groups he spammed with his "get rich quick" scheme then.  He doesn't care 
at all who he offended and since he's already done it more than once I 
fully expect he will continue to do it.



			    Brian Petroski
			Just your stereotypical
			     polyamorous,
			       bisexual
			    solitary pagan



From tony@cqi.com Fri Sep 27 14:28:32 EDT 1996
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From shenoykj@nwga.com Fri Sep 27 14:28:33 EDT 1996
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> user@host.com (Teek) wrote in article
user-2109961141220001@ppp83.monmouth.com>...
> CHERNOBYL:
> 
> The greatest commercial nuclear disaster, EVER.
> Find out why it happened, who's at fault, how

My dad used to be an electrical engineer -- touted as the BEST engineer
the president and heads of one of the biggest Long Island/NJ engineering
companies had ever SEEN.  A lot of his work was done inside nuclear power
plants, so his expertise is pretty reliable.

American nuclear factories have fallback mechanisms/safety devices in case
something goes wrong (yes, even if it's run by a dozen Homer Simpsons). 
If something goes TERRIBLY wrong (which, I believe, has happened only once
in the U.S.), meltdown will be stopped by the reactor sinking into the
first containment chamber of water.  In the almost-impossible event that
the 1st containment chamber doesn't hold it, it will sink and stop in the
outer/2nd containment chamber.  Each chamber is made out of very, very
thick concrete.

Even before people killed the American nuclear industry, they were
routinely inspected.  The only awry case was 3 Mile Island (Fire Island?)
in Long Island, where someone ignorant SWITCHED OFF some safety mechanisms
when the plant was automatically reacting to high temperatures or
something.  EVEN STILL, the plant's reactor sunk into the 1st chamber and
was fine.  No harm done, except that the plant was wasted.  (Even an
ignorant guy bent against the machine can prevent it from taking over for
safety reasons.)

He said that the real reason that Chernobyl "fell out" was that the
Communists were cutting corners.  Since Russia was run like a dictatorship
anyway, why did the LEADERS care if fallout happened.  They had NO safety
measure, no containment chambers.  Thus, when something MINOR went wrong
(bec. it was a VERY dirty and hazardous plant in the first place), it was
no surprise that fallout happened.  It was imminent.

> it could have been prevented, and how much

Stick to safety measures, inspect and test the gadgets, and keep it clean.

> damage it did to the world at large!
> 
> http://tqd.advanced.org/3426/
> 
> With pictures, fun things to do, and a fully
> interactive compilation of information!
> DONT MISS IT!!!

Oh, great!  Chernobyl: The Video Game! ;-)
You saw it; you heard about it; now, LIVE IT!

On a more interesting note, the word "chernaw" means "chickpea" in my
language.
Go figure! :-) :-)

:-)
Kishan



From kgorski@cibola.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:34 EDT 1996
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From: Ken Gorski <kgorski@cibola.net>
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Brian..As an architect who had to put up with Bucky Fullers endless 
lectures ..really suggest you post a post for info on one of the search 
engines...geo domes are a piece of cake..simple statics and 
geometry..don't need complicated kits..best of luck Brian...ken


From chita@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:35 EDT 1996
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
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Victor M. Martinez wrote:
 
> Would you prefer your children to grow up learning to glorify drugs,
> violence, sex and apathy?
> I think Mexico is, by far, a safer environment for rasing children.
> I mean, they still have values down there, you know?

    There are many things one finds under the rubric "values."  Not all
of American culture presents sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll as
fashionable. As a matter of fact, though it grabs headlines to emphasize
the negative, the same American schools which produce high numbers of
thugs, addicts and illiterates also produce an overrepresentation of
Asian honors scholars. So it isn't just one institution. It's the
entirety of the life experience. As with America, Mexican culture isn't
monolithic, but just as you (and I, perhaps) have focused on some stark
realities here, there are similar stark realities in Hispanic culture. 
Factors which stand out in bas relief: I object to the sexualization of
Mexican culture and it would disturb me greatly to clash with it
constantly on behalf of my children. I also object heartily to the deep
class divisions. I prefer the American model of meritocracy. I also
prefer the uniquely American view on individual liberty, preferring it
even to the highly productive Japanese model of groupthink. (I have
cousins who grew up in Japan, so I'm aware of the sort of national
characteristics one picks up.) There are a hundred things one can put on
a list of "Stuff I'd like my family exposed to/protected from."  When we
get to bottom line time, though, we must set priorities. No one place
has everythng. It's a tradeoff. And my bottom line question was, "If a
world class struggle broke out, whose flag would you defend with your
life and your family?"  The answer is, and always has been, the United
States. Parents usually define this situation for their kids as well. 
For what it's worth, I'd not want to rear Canadians or Swedes either...
Just as some families are determined to rear Mormons or Jews, I guess
I'm determined to rear Americans.


From gdcooper@citizen.infi.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:36 EDT 1996
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David Buch wrote:
> 
> I would like to express my sincerest apologies to all I have offended by
> putting the "Make Money" message on your newsgroup.
> 
> I honestly had no idea it was illegal, and had I known, would definately
> not have even thought of putting it out there.
> 
> I also seem to have sent it to some newsgroups I did not mean to, by
> accident.
> 
> Rest assured, I will not ever be putting something like this out there
> again!
> 
> Again, my apologies!
> 
> Regards.

apoligy accepted


From mail@sanford-golf.com Fri Sep 27 14:28:36 EDT 1996
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From johannes@wtouch.com.ph Fri Sep 27 14:28:37 EDT 1996
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damn!  there aren't any messages on the server! 


From martin@palladio.wor.sub.de Fri Sep 27 14:28:39 EDT 1996
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In <5151b8$ta@nw101.infi.net> mr300@infi.net (siouxlookout) writes:
>Jerre Wilson wrote:

>Turn a measly $5 into $50,000!  (...cut...)

>The procedure is very simple.

>     STEP 1:  Write your name and address on 5 separate
>pieces of paper with the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR
>MAILING LIST".  Fold a $1 bill in each of the pieces of
>paper and mail them to the following five addresses:

(...cut...)

>     STEP 2:  Now remove the first name on the list,
>move the other 4 names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3,
>etc) and put your name and address as number 5 on the
>list.  You can do this by re-typing this article or
>simply editing and re-posting it in this or another
>newsgroup.

>     STEP 3:  Post your amended article to at least 200
>newsgroups (there are 17,000 +) groups and new groups
>added every day.

(...cut...)

... and they all believe in Santa Clause


-- 
Martin Gruber                           martin@palladio.wor.sub.de
Freier Architekt
Hauptstr. 63                            
79356 Eichstetten                       
Federal Republik of Germany             High Tech, Low Tech, NO TECH


From esw@u.washington.edu Fri Sep 27 14:28:40 EDT 1996
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The Directory of Forest Products, Wood Science, & Marketing now contains
over 1,200 links directly related to the forest/wood products and pulp &
paper industries. Each link has been categorized by subject area to
speed
your search for information. The Directory is located at:

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Directory categories include:
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From jaid@h130.aone.net.au Fri Sep 27 14:28:40 EDT 1996
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From: Ian Johnson <jaid@h130.aone.net.au>
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Ian Johnson wrote:
> 
I was impressed with the work of Professor Sforz, [SP. Sforza (J.M. I
think)], NYU -Vortex accelerators for energy generation - mid-1970's.


From jaid@h130.aone.net.au Fri Sep 27 14:28:41 EDT 1996
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Valery I. Kotelnikov wrote:
> 
> Chuck Penson wrote:
> 
> >Nick Pine wrote:
> >
> ><SNIP>
> >
> >> No study of vortex pipes used as heaters has appeared in the literature.

This is perhaps a little off the track but I was impressed with the work
of Professor Sforz, University of New York on Vortex accelerators for
energy generation in the mid 1970's - may be worth review.


From countess@spot.intercomm.com Fri Sep 27 14:28:42 EDT 1996
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From: FloralMotif <countess@spot.intercomm.com>
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, chita jing wrote:

> Robert Morgan wrote:
> > 
> > RENT !  DO NOT BUY!  TOO UNSTABLE THERE!!
> > 
> > I love Mexico and visit native Mexicans whenever I can.  I thought I
> > would like to retire there also but decided to stay in the USA and make
> > more trips.........renting apts or condos as I go.
> 
>     I agree that renting is a better deal (usually) for Americans living
> in Mexico, but certainly not for reasons of instability. There are a
> great many disadvantages to the idea of retiring in Mexico. But if by
> "stability" problems, you meant some sort of concerted effort to rip off
> the elderly foreigners there, or economic instability, I would suggest
> that you take a hard look at what elders are facing here.
> 
> 
I saw some sort of televised report about this a number of years back
which stated that receiving quality medical care, a definite concern
of many senior citizens, was a definite issue in Mexico.  Where, by
and large, are Americans retiring in Mexico?

Jeanne



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If anyone can speak with authority on appropriate, non-offensive, 
harmonious colors for the exterior of a mountain home in Colorado,
please e-mail me.  I'll provide more details if you might be willing
to provide your knowledge of color theory, historical appropriateness,
reflectivity issues. 

Thanks so much.

mtnmama@rmi.net



From a96m0061@cegep-ste-foy.qc.ca Fri Sep 27 14:28:44 EDT 1996
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From: a96m0061@cegep-ste-foy.qc.ca (Etudiant)
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Subject: $$$$$5 To $30,000, Fast & Easy!!! ***Must Read NOW***
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!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$
Listen Up! Read On! Becaues This Is Not A Scam And Is Perfectly Legal!
$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!

You Heard Right! You Can Literally Turn $5 Dollars Into $30,000, Fast
And Almost Effortlessly. What Is That You Said? How, You Ask? Take A 
Couple Of Minutes To Read On And Find Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here Is The Awesome News I Think The World Should Know. All It EVER 
Costs Is $5 Dollars. Thats Right, Only $5 Dollars. I Know What You 
Might Be Thinking. " Is This Another Scam? ". Let Me Answer With This:
It's Not A Scam!!!!!!!!!!! This Letter Is Perfectly Legal; Refer To
Title 18, Section 1302, U.S. Postal Lottery And Regulations.

Do You Have Depts To Pay? Do You Hate Your Job And Wish You Could Just
Quit? Or Just Want Extra Cash In Your Pocket? Let Me Tell You Something.
You Are Obviously A Smart Enough Person To Have Read This Far, So If You
Are Smart Enough To Invest $5 Dollars Into This Program, You Will Pay Of
Depts And Quit Your Job!!! And Have Money In Your Pocket!!!! Enough Talk
About The Benefits Of This Program. Lets Start Doing Something!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, Here Is How It Works. Below, There Is A List Of Five Names With
Addresses. You Send Each Person On The List $1 Dollar With A Note That 
Says, "Please Add My Name To Your List". This Is Very Important, As It 
Creates A Service For The Dollar And Your Not Just Sending A Dollar For
Nothing, As That Would Make It Illegal!!!!! Then, You Take This List Of 
Five People And Move Each Of Them Up One Slot, Adding Your Name In Slot
Five. Number 2 Goes To Slot 1, # 3 Goes To Slot 2, And So On........
Now, Take The Revised List With Your Name In Slot Five, And Repost It To
As Many Newsgroups And Local BBS's As You Can. Give It A Catchy Header So
People Read It. Try To Set A Goal Of 200 Different Newsgroups And BBS's.
Then Sit Back And Relax!!!!!! In 1 To 2 Weeks, You Should Start Recieving
A Few Hundred Dollars. By The Fourth Week, You Should Have Anywhere From
$20,000 To $50,000 Dollars!!!!!!!!!!! Remember, Honesty Is What Makes This 
Program Work! And The Amount Of Money You Make Depends On How Much Effort
You Put Into This. There Are At Least 70,000 Different Newsgroups You Can
Post To!!!!! Below Are Detailed, Step-By-Step Instructions On What To Do!


INSTRUCTIONS:

1) Take A Sheet Of Paper And On It Write The Following: " Please Add My 
   Name To Your List! ". This creates a service out of this money making 
   system and thus making it completely legal. You are not just randomly
   sending a dollar to someone, you are paying one dollar for a legitimate
   service.  Make sure you include your name and address (With Your Country)
   I assure you that,  again,  this is completely legal!  For a neat little 
   twist, also write what slot their name was in: "You were in slot 3",  
   Just to add a little fun! This is all about having fun and making money 
   at the same time!

2) Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill ,(no checks or money
   orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to the 
   five people listed.  The folding of the paper around the bill will 
   insure its arrival to its recipient. THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!!!!!

3) Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING
   TO YOUR MAILBOX.   Look at the list of five people;  remove the
   first name from position one and move everyone on the list up
   slot one on the list.  Position 2 name will now move to the
   position 1 slot ,  position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will
   be  3, 5 wil be 4.  Now put your name, address, zipcode AND
   COUNTRY in position 5, the bottom position on the list.

4) Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local
   bulletin boards' message areas & file sections as possible.  Give
   a catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!!  Such as:
   "NEED FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF
   YOUR DEBTS??",  etc.  And the more uploads, the more money you
   will make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will
   make too.  LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BY BEING
   HONEST AND BY PUTTING FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THIS
   PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!! You'll reap the benefits, believe
   me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads you'll post, such as
   200 postings or more!  Always have a goal in mind!!! If you can UUE
   encode the file when uploading,  that will make it easier for the
   people to receive it and have it downloaded to their hard drive.  
   That way they get a copy of the article right on their computer 
   without the hassles of viewing and then saving the article from the
   File menu. Don't alter the file type. leave it as an MS-DOS Text file.
   The best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's
   Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins
   look right without making the screen slide left or right when at
   the ends of the sentences, you're in business!

5) If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS,
   or "POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file,
   tell them who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE
   GLAD TO HELP.  I would try to describe how to do it but there are
   simply too many internet software packages with slightly different
   yet relatively simple ways to post or upload a file.  Just ask for
   help or look in the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for
   GNN, you simply select 'POST', then enter a catchy description
   under the subject box, choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT
   'TXT', then choose 'Browse' to go look for the file. Find your
   text file CASH.TXT and click on it and choose 'OK'.  Place a one
   line statement in the main body section of the message post
   screen. Something like "Download this to read how to get cash
   arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever. Just make
   sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something like...
   "Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!"
   You'll never get ANY responses!

6) And this is the step I like.  JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE
   BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!!  Expect to see a little money
   start to trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE
   MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it
   out of the mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway)
   when you realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!!

7) So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something
   special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life
   (or the one you want in your life)  a gift they'll never forget.
   ENJOY LIFE!

8) Now when you get low on this money supply,  simply re-post
   this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you
   originally posted and possibly some new places you now know of.
   Don't ever lose this file, always keep a copy at your reach for
   when you ever need cash.  THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU
   CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS
   NEEDED!  

*************************************************************************
THE LIST OF NAMES!!! : THE NAMES LIST!!! : THE LIST OF MANY NAMES!!! :
*************************************************************************



1)  Karim Brusseleers
        21 rue Camille Lemonnier
        B-1050 Brussels
        Belgium

2)  Michael Ferraro
       1533 Coates Ave.
       Holbrook, NY  11741
       USA

3)  John Moriconi
        403 W McKay
        Frontenac, KS 66763
        USA

4)  Paul Carrero
        3516 Thunder Dr.
        Oceanside, CA 92056
        USA

5) James Winners
       1380 Av. De Villars
       Sillery, Qc 
       G1T 2C2
       CANADA
       
***********************************************************************
NOTE:
Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you a dollar and always keep
an eye on the local postings of this file... Just to make sure that
everyone is playing the game fairly. You know where your name should
be.....
* AGAIN,  HONESTY IS THE BEST THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US ON THIS PLAN. *

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the money to the people
already included, you will not get much. 
All the lists are re-distributed as soon as the money is received.
I know you may think to yourself, what's
the difference?, how's anyone going to know whether or not I sent out
any money. But just think. I mean if you don't send out any money, why
don't you think that everyone else isn't thinking the same thing.
Pretty soon you have 1,000's of people moving people's names and
addresses on and off of lists, but no one is making any money. It only
works as long as everyone stays honest pays their dues. Besides, if
you're too cheap to spend $5.00, when in return you'll be making
thousands, you should probably go do something else with your time and
not screw up this great opportunity for those of us that would really
like to make some money.


From chocolate@argonet.co.uk Fri Sep 27 14:28:45 EDT 1996
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Dear everyone on the alt.?????????? newsgroups

Please dont cross post replies to the get rich schemes.  Its bad enough
having to download, but then to have to read the flames afterwards is
getting very boring :-)

If you want to flame, email them or ENSURE the relpy goes only to the
relevant NG.

Sorry to be a nag, but its my phone bill too !!!

Love and chocolate

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 Chris Hawkins  ZFC A chocolate@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.users/chawkins/



From ycouve@quebectel.com Fri Sep 27 14:28:46 EDT 1996
Article: 8177 of alt.architecture.alternative
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Subject: Make cash fast!!! "THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!" Just take 2 minutes to read...
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Take two minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
I just read an article in an internet newsgroup 
describing how to make cash very quickly from a $5.00 
investment.
 
 Of course I thought this was rediculous, or some type of 
pyramid.
 I talked it over with my family and my 
friends and they all agreed it was some sort of scam.
 I hate scams because usually someone gets burned,
and I didn't want it to be me!
 I blew it off for a few days then saw another one in a
newsgroup I go to alot and thought, "Maybe this is 
legitimate!".
 Besides, whats $5.00 , I spend more than that in the 
morning on my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day.


 Well, two weeks later,I began receiving money in the 
mail!
 I couldn't believe it! Not just a little , I mean big 
bucks!
 At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a
 couple of thousand , then BOOM . By the end of the fourth
 week , I had received nearly $47,000.00. It came from all
 over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and 
on the up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and 
still had enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my 
family.
 
 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks 
as well.
 Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks.  Dave 
Manning claims he made $53,664 in the same amount of time.
 Dan Shepstone says it was only $17,000 for him.
Do I know these folks?  No, but when I read how they
say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that 
I'm taking a similar chance with $5 of my own money.
  Not a big chance, I admit--but one with incredible potential,
because $5 is all anyone ever invests in this system. Period.
That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet their $5 netted
them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, legal,
completely legitimate way.  Here's how it works in 3 easy 
steps:
 
STEP 1.
 
Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five 
seperate pieces of paper along with the words,
"PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." 
(In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone;  
you're paying for a legitimate service.)
Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside
each paper, and mail them by standard (U.S.) Mail to the 
following five addresses:


 1.  Vic Williams
       14307  Virtue Rd.
        Lenoir City, Tn. 37772
 
 2.   Bill Brown
       148 South Downlen #796
       Beaumont, Tx. 77707
 
 3.   Marco Monet
        409 N.E. 107 St.
        Miami, Florida, USA 33161
 
 4.    Adam Jones
        210b Csott Hall
        East Carolina University
        Greenville NC,27858-4353
 
 5.   Nicolas Couture
       231, National Road 132
       Val-Brillant, Qc, CANADA, G0J 3L0
 

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up. This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There 
    are at least 17000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see 
    your article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

     You are now in business for yourself, and should 
     start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days!
     Remember, the internet is new and huge.
     There is no way you can lose.
     Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 200 posts I made, I got back 5 
responses.
    Yes, thats right, only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not 
checks or money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also 
makes 200 additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 
postings. On average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your 
name at #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 200 postings each 
with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 
people= $500.
    They make 200 postings each with your name at #2 = 100,000
postings = 5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
    Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each with 
your name at #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name 
drops off the list. And that's only if everyone down the line 
makes only 200 postings each! Your total income for this one cycle 
is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer 
on the list, you take the latest posting you can find and start 
all over again.

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But 
believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net 
every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get 
on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in 
the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple 
instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to 
it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article 
easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure 
everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be.
 
    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE MONEY!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL,AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!





From chita@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:47 EDT 1996
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
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FloralMotif wrote:
> 

> I saw some sort of televised report about this a number of years back
> which stated that receiving quality medical care, a definite concern
> of many senior citizens, was a definite issue in Mexico.  Where, by
> and large, are Americans retiring in Mexico?

   Well, in Baja, when a critical mass of Americans (many
seniors)developed, they built the American Hospital in Ensenada.  In the
last seven years, I'm also seeing a number of smaller clinics pop up in
Tijuana, Rosarito, etc. The bigger areas. A new, modern (by American
standards) highway was built, very much in response to the demands of
Americans, both residential and tourist, that goes right down the coast.
It is kept in good repair by the tolls, which amount to perhaps ...
$6.50 or so if you're going a good three hours south. If you're only
going a short distance, it's perhaps $2.25. You can pay in dollars for
for several hours south of the border, or pesos whatever you want/have. 
The toll also is an automatic insurance policy with hopitalization ($0
deductible) and ambulance service, etc. There's a patrol to monitor if
anybody needs towing or other help. There are reciprocal agreements all
along the way which ensure that a helicopter will transport an American
who's hurt or ill to Scripps in San Diego, if they want. That toll road
is quite central, easy to reach from almost anywhere. Emergencies use
that road. (The other is the Libertad, which has no tolls but has a lot
of potholes.) Dependig where you live, you're not more than twenty
minutes from a helipad/telephone/hospital.

    Do remember that there are big wage differences between the States
and Mexico. A middle class income can buy - on the open market - much
more. A complete medical exam, including chest x-rays, mammogram and all
blood tests costs maybe $100. Doctors and nurses aren't all Mexican and
many were trained in America or Europe anyway. Dental clinics are
beginning to offer commute service, because so many people are finding
that, even with their American insurance, they can't afford major
services. You can have a vacation for a week at a 3-star hotel and get
four crowns for the cost of ONE crown in San Diego. Some Tijuana clinics
are sending vans to pick up/deliver clients at the border. Plastic
surgery clinics have done that for a long time.

    American doctors who practice across the border find a different
professional world. Prices of medications and whatnot, rents, nurses,
other staff - are all a fraction of what they would cost in, say, Ohio.
Some like it, some don't. I myself don't like Tijuana much, it's too
raggedy, cheap looking (to someone used to American malls and
infrastructure). And much medical practice IS sorta Third World.
Americans aren't used to going to the doctor's HOUSE for treatment. But
many, many new services have sprung up in response to demand. It's not
that hard to find yourself in a situation where the doctor was trained
in Brooklyn, the dentist in Germany and the anesthesiologist in
Switzerland.  At times, I'm reminded of the time I got strep throat in
Athens (Greece, not Georgia). An Italian doctor came to the hotel and
the American embassy was called for a three way translator! <G> 

     This is a sensitive topic for most people. I've heard some
incredible, abusive stuff about Mexican medical care. There's VERY
little grounds for it, but there's some. I had a dentist once light up a
cigarette as he waited for the Novacaine to take effect! Pretty
shocking. And the building can be pretty raggedy. As I said in a
previous message, one thing I don't understand about Mexican culture is
that they seem indifferent to infrastructure. Even after decades of
neighborly tourism, most beach towns only have a "real" (paved) road
right down the middle, where the tourists go. One block away, it's dirt
and gravel again. I don't think it's just money, something else is at
work. Something cultural (IMHO). But it isn't that hard to go around it.
It's not a severe limit.  You can join a health coop for about $30 a
month. I'm not sure what the deductibles are, if there are any. Mexicans
don't like the idea of demands for cash in emergencies. Pre-need
insurance seems to be a foreign idea, brought by both resident Americans
and returning Mexican nationals (they go to medical school at American
universities very often). 

    As contact grows, it's natural for each to rub off on the other.
Personally, I think many Americans would be pleasantly surprised by the
nature of the medical services available to them in Mexico. Some of it
is like getting care in the African bush, to be sure. But a lot is also
available that's quite comparable to what we expect. The pleasantest
surprise might be that in Mexico, doctors are not considered just
technicians. It can be a shock to find a doctor who thinks it's natural
to ask all about you, your family, how your life is going, giving advice
on all sorts of things - almost like a priest or social worker. And a
nurse thinks nothing of hugging a patient who's in distress. The whole
culture is a lot more... personal. I was uncomfortable about it
sometimes, in the beginning.


From chita@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:48 EDT 1996
Article: 8179 of alt.architecture.alternative
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From: chita jing <chita@worldnet.att.net>
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Subject: Re: House design for Mexico
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FloralMotif wrote:
> 

> I saw some sort of televised report about this a number of years back
> which stated that receiving quality medical care, a definite concern
> of many senior citizens, was a definite issue in Mexico.  Where, by
> and large, are Americans retiring in Mexico?

   Well, in Baja, when a critical mass of Americans (many
seniors)developed, they built the American Hospital in Ensenada.  In the
last seven years, I'm also seeing a number of smaller clinics pop up in
Tijuana, Rosarito, etc. The bigger areas. A new, modern (by American
standards) highway was built, very much in response to the demands of
Americans, both residential and tourist, that goes right down the coast.
It is kept in good repair by the tolls, which amount to perhaps ...
$6.50 or so if you're going a good three hours south. If you're only
going a short distance, it's perhaps $2.25. You can pay in dollars for
for several hours south of the border, or pesos whatever you want/have. 
The toll also is an automatic insurance policy with hopitalization ($0
deductible) and ambulance service, etc. There's a patrol to monitor if
anybody needs towing or other help. There are reciprocal agreements all
along the way which ensure that a helicopter will transport an American
who's hurt or ill to Scripps in San Diego, if they want. That toll road
is quite central, easy to reach from almost anywhere. Emergencies use
that road. (The other is the Libertad, which has no tolls but has a lot
of potholes.) Dependig where you live, you're not more than twenty
minutes from a helipad/telephone/hospital.

    Do remember that there are big wage differences between the States
and Mexico. A middle class income can buy - on the open market - much
more. A complete medical exam, including chest x-rays, mammogram and all
blood tests costs maybe $100. Doctors and nurses aren't all Mexican and
many were trained in America or Europe anyway. Dental clinics are
beginning to offer commute service, because so many people are finding
that, even with their American insurance, they can't afford major
services. You can have a vacation for a week at a 3-star hotel and get
four crowns for the cost of ONE crown in San Diego. Some Tijuana clinics
are sending vans to pick up/deliver clients at the border. Plastic
surgery clinics have done that for a long time.

    American doctors who practice across the border find a different
professional world. Prices of medications and whatnot, rents, nurses,
other staff - are all a fraction of what they would cost in, say, Ohio.
Some like it, some don't. I myself don't like Tijuana much, it's too
raggedy, cheap looking (to someone used to American malls and
infrastructure). And much medical practice IS sorta Third World.
Americans aren't used to going to the doctor's HOUSE for treatment. But
many, many new services have sprung up in response to demand. It's not
that hard to find yourself in a situation where the doctor was trained
in Brooklyn, the dentist in Germany and the anesthesiologist in
Switzerland.  At times, I'm reminded of the time I got strep throat in
Athens (Greece, not Georgia). An Italian doctor came to the hotel and
the American embassy was called for a three way translator! <G> 

     This is a sensitive topic for most people. I've heard some
incredible, abusive stuff about Mexican medical care. There's VERY
little grounds for it, but there's some. I had a dentist once light up a
cigarette as he waited for the Novacaine to take effect! Pretty
shocking. And the building can be pretty raggedy. As I said in a
previous message, one thing I don't understand about Mexican culture is
that they seem indifferent to infrastructure. Even after decades of
neighborly tourism, most beach towns only have a "real" (paved) road
right down the middle, where the tourists go. One block away, it's dirt
and gravel again. I don't think it's just money, something else is at
work. Something cultural (IMHO). But it isn't that hard to go around it.
It's not a severe limit.  You can join a health coop for about $30 a
month. I'm not sure what the deductibles are, if there are any. Mexicans
don't like the idea of demands for cash in emergencies. Pre-need
insurance seems to be a foreign idea, brought by both resident Americans
and returning Mexican nationals (they go to medical school at American
universities very often). 

    As contact grows, it's natural for each to rub off on the other.
Personally, I think many Americans would be pleasantly surprised by the
nature of the medical services available to them in Mexico. Some of it
is like getting care in the African bush, to be sure. But a lot is also
available that's quite comparable to what we expect. The pleasantest
surprise might be that in Mexico, doctors are not considered just
technicians. It can be a shock to find a doctor who thinks it's natural
to ask all about you, your family, how your life is going, giving advice
on all sorts of things - almost like a priest or social worker. And a
nurse thinks nothing of hugging a patient who's in distress. The whole
culture is a lot more... personal. I was uncomfotable about it
sometimes, in the beginning.


From chita@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:49 EDT 1996
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FloralMotif wrote:

>  Where, by and large, are Americans retiring in Mexico?

    Gosh, just everywhere! Mostly on the coasts, I suppose, since that's
where they visited and got the idea of permanent residency.  Americans
do seem to have congregated in their own little communities most of the
time. The mobile home parks especially. (I should put quotes around
"mobile" - some of these ... installations are two doublewides linked
together on a deck with a satellite dish in the yard!) But many others
have bought/built all over the place, so it's hard to say. If you go to
big hotels, you'll find many oldtimer groups treating them like clubs. I
myself deliberately moved away from the beach, since I didn't want
American sailors and students using my front yard for a toilet on
weekends. I'm 12 miles away. I like getting the sea breeze without the
drunks. <GGG> 

    BTW, just as an aside, this is another cultural difference. Mexicans
are MUCH more appalled at public drunkenness than we are. They don't
laugh. They're upset and deeply. For them, it's like lewdness. As bad as
we consider indecent exposure.


From suncore@erols.com Fri Sep 27 14:28:50 EDT 1996
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From: Jeff Keas <suncore@erols.com>
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Phil Bixby wrote:
> 
> Andrew North wrote:
> >
> > rwbake19@webserve.net wrote:
> >
> > >I am requesting information from any individual with knowledge of
> > >Alternative Energy Equipment sources - items include, solar
> > >panels(electrical & hot water/heating), geothermal equipment,
> > >windmills (power & water), water wheels, solar collection equipment,
> > >methane digestors, hydraulic rams, electrical generators (DC & AC),
> > >wood stoves, etc. and any sources of auxiliary equipment.

If you are looking for something in paticular, drop me an email.  My 
company distribute solar energy equipment worldwide.  We've got things 
like solar powered camping/field lanterns, portable lighting 
systems, portable power packs for laptop computers, battery chargers, 
mobile generators, etc.

Jeff Keas
Suncore International
suncore@erols.com


From billster@earthlink.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:51 EDT 1996
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> 
> 5.  Dan McIntosh
>      6620 Evelyn Drive
>      Middletown, Ohio  45042
>      USA
> 
> 
Awwwww.... People leave their MAILING ADDRESS in these messages, and
under postal laws this is considered MAIL FRAUD!!!!  Since you are
requesting money to be sent thru the mail, you are committing postal
fraud thru a illegal pryamid scheme.  I would suggest you be careful,
some people out there will forward this to your ISP and also report you
to your local postal inspector.


From ranjones@texas.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:52 EDT 1996
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Great place to stay in architectually unique home in Puerto Vallarta.
Quita Maria Cortez listed in some travel books. Mexiterrenian. Loved 
my stay there.Give you some good ideas, that place. This is no spam, just a 
travel suggestion. We stayed a beautiful room that was in the movie Revenge w/ 
Costner/Quinn. Quinn was at the piano talking to Costner. We paid about $300 wk 
 in July. On the beach. only 5 rooms for rent or so.


In article <51p1kp$2cn$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, 
105017.1345@CompuServe.COM says...
>
>We are planning on retiring in Mexico and starting by building a 
>bungalow on a beach lot.  We are very interested in clever 
>designs for frugal living and dealing with the sub tropical 
>environment.  If anyone has information on clever approaches to:
>-solar water heating
>-water purification
>-designing homes to maximize ventillation and cooling without 
>Aircon
>-ant proofing storage cupboards
>-landscaping as it relates to insect control
>and
>any other suggestions regarding problems and pitfalls we would 
>really appreciate hearing from you!
>
>David and Pat Walker
>
>-- 
>David Walker
>International Education
>Northern Lights College
>Fort St. John BC



From mchenry@unm.edu Fri Sep 27 14:28:53 EDT 1996
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From: mchenry@unm.edu (Paul G.McHenry)
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I Currently under construction is a lovely Sanctuary using the 
>ancient Cob House techniques - the structure is curvy and organic and 
>very inviting.  Is there anyplace on the WEB with more info on these 
>techniques?  I'd love to live in a structure like it!
 
Hi there...
Cob buildings are a form of earthen wall buildings, like adobe or Rammed Earth.
Earth buildings are found all over the world, in almost every climate.

Suggest you look at the Earth Architecture Center International Home Page.

Paul G. McHenry



From georgehl@peg.apc.org Fri Sep 27 14:28:53 EDT 1996
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Hi - Does anyone know of a web page that has pictures of adobe-style 
houses. I am on the threshold of building/renovating my place here in 
Sydney and would like to do it adobe style, like houses I saw in Arizona 
earlier this year.
Please email me if you have some info.
thanks.
Georgina Hall
--
Georgina Hall, D. Hom., B. Mus.,        "Give yourself permission,
Sydney, Australia                                 Believe it is possible,
                                                             Allow it to happen" 
georgehl@peg.apc.org                     
http://www.peg.apc.org/~georgehl/     David Ash, author of 'The Vortex' 
                                                             ISBN 1-85860-019-7




From petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us Fri Sep 27 14:28:54 EDT 1996
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From: Brian K Petroski <petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us>
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On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, Terry Egan wrote:

> Brian K Petroski <petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us> remodulated the electrons, thusly:
> >
> >     I'm looking for any information concerning geodesic domes. 
> >
> >			    Brian Petroski
> 
> 	Brian, try  bit.listserv.geodesic, for a Usenet newsgroup on domes.
> Every so often, a FAQ is posted there.
> 
> 

     Thanks, I saw that one mentioned in another message here.  My server 
doesn't currently carry it but I have requested they pick it up.



			    Brian Petroski
			Just your stereotypical
			     polyamorous,
			       bisexual
			    solitary pagan



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From shutters@gate.net Fri Sep 27 14:28:56 EDT 1996
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From petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us Fri Sep 27 14:28:57 EDT 1996
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On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, Ken Gorski wrote:

> Brian..As an architect who had to put up with Bucky Fullers endless 
> lectures ..really suggest you post a post for info on one of the search 
> engines...geo domes are a piece of cake..simple statics and 
> geometry..don't need complicated kits..best of luck Brian...ken

     I haven't dealt with Bucky's math myself, but have found other books 
that include the angles and cord factors.  Problem is most of these only 
deal with two or three fequency domes.  I think to support the load I 
have in midn I will probably need to go to somethng like a six frequency 
and so far I have not been able to find cord factors for those.  What 
would be ideal is if I could find a computer program that would calculate 
the angles and cord factors for me.  Once I have a table of those I can 
build the structure myself, I just need to know how to cut the beams and 
which ones fit where.  

     I have passed entirely on the kits.  I've built many models out of 
plastic straws and coffee sits with pipe cleaners or bag twist ties, 
paper taped or stapled together, medical applicator sticks using plastic 
coffee stirs melted together to form hubs, and have tired with pretty 
much everything I could fish out of the recycling bins.  :)  There have 
all been table top sized models so far.  I've just started on one out of 
newspaper rolls that will be 6' in diameter.  When it's done I can lay in 
it on my futon and give it to the kids as a play tent.  Next one after 
that I'm going ot try building one out of furring stips and staple 
plastic over it to use as a greenhouse so I'll make it big enough to 
stand up in.  I might decide to skip the furring stips and do that out of 
sometihing like 2x2s instead just becuase it would give me practice with 
cutting the angles on the ends of the struts.



			    Brian Petroski
			Just your stereotypical
			     polyamorous,
			       bisexual
			    solitary pagan



From solar3d@teleport.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:29 EST 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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What information do you believe is incorrect
or misleading?  Can you give us a hint?
Do you have any information to provide
about designing for high winds?

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
solar3d@teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d


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>From  - Wed Nov 27 21:53:06 1996
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From floriana@cee.hw.ac.uk Fri Dec 13 11:39:32 EST 1996
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could anyone help with finding out about history 
of British bandstands?
Book titles, places to look, anything will be appreciated.

Thanks

	Steffi


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From tjebb@srd.bt.co.uk Fri Dec 13 11:39:34 EST 1996
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>>I presume you're talking about the European condensing dryers.  Have 
you 

The only condensing dryers I've seen are ones which use cold water, and 
are in fact combination washer-dryers. However, I've not been looking 
very hard, not knowing that such beasts exist except in my imagination. 
Can you actually buy them?


>>seen any exported to the US?  Biggest problem I would be aware of is 
>>capacity just as with their washers.
>
>Well, that's a matter of your perceived "need" for capacity.  It does 
not seem 
>to me that people in Europe necessarily have a lesser need for drying 
lots of 
>clothes at a time than we in North America do.

Not true. It's well known that Americans sweat more than we do :-)



From solar3d@teleport.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:35 EST 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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James R. Taylor <jrtaylor@ucsu.colorado.edu> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know some good web sites or news groups for lighting design?
> 

James,

Try this news group:

sci.engr.lighting


Sincerely,

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
solar3d@teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d


From Arkhitek@ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:36 EST 1996
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From: arkhitek <Arkhitek@ix.netcom.com>
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I am trying to use Autovision with ACAD release 12.c4 for Windows.
My manual says if the material selected is not shown applied to a 
spherical shape, I may not have set the variable for AVEMAPS before
I started Windows.  "...refer to Chapter 2, Installing and
Configuring..."  My problem is, Chapter 2 doesn't say anything about
this subject.  Can anyone tell me how to do this? 
Thanks in advance, Michael.


From solar3d@teleport.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:37 EST 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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I have lived through hurricanes
in the Caribbean and wind storms
in the Western U.S., and have
been able to observe and study
this kind of wind damage.
We have compiled a web page to
provide general recommendations
on designing small buildings to
help reduce damage from these
kinds of storms.  You can find
that web page at:

http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d/solar/wind.html

Wind storms are not a new phenomenon
on the Pacific U.S. Coast.  In 1979,
the campus architect at the University
of California at Santa Cruz told me
they were having trouble with chain
link fences being blown over by high winds.
He said they finally solved the problem
by replacing the tubular metal fence posts
with I-beam fence posts.

Because of global climate change,
wind storms are becomming more severe
and more common.  Last winter, a
hurricane struck the Oregon Coast and
Portland, with damage extending as far
south as Golden Gate Park in San Francisco,
California, and north to Washington State.

That storm struck in December, 1995,
and packed sustained winds of 90 mph
for several hours.  In Newport, Oregon,
a restaurant's entire roof was blown off
all at once.  It did not have hurricane
ties installed.

A few weeks later, another wind storm
hit, tearing off a Newport hotel's
entire roof all at once.  It also did
not have hurricane ties installed.

A few months after the hurricane,
most of the damage had already been
cleaned up, but some damage was still
evident, and I took photos of that.
You can see three of those photos
at this web page:

http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d/wind

Anyone that has experience and
recommendations on reducing wind
storm damage to buildings is welcome
to contact us to help us improve
our information.

Sincerely,

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
solar3d@teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d


From bpolly@iconz.co.nz Fri Dec 13 11:39:38 EST 1996
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From: bpolly@iconz.co.nz (bpolly)
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Ceramic and Clay/terracotta tiles make an excellent thermal mass which
will hold in the heat. if you are building eco-house or similar in New
Zealand phone or email me for information.
Tile Trends Ltd.
124 Tory St.
Wellington
New Zealand
04-8015521
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From msimon1089@aol.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:39 EST 1996
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I am new to this usenet group; my interest in alternative archtecture drew
me to it, of course.  But, I can't believe all the "extraneous" postings
there are on this usenet group -- money-grubbing chain letters (and more
of them), all manner of "hot" (caveat emptor) deals, and pedophilic
letters that I don't even see on my bodybuilding usenet group.  Does this
group need to be moderated?  I hope not...surely there are some budding
Frank Lloyd Wrights out there somewhere who have something profound to
say!  --Regards to all, Marc


From PG82-22@cris.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:39 EST 1996
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From: PG82-22@cris.com (Steven M)
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Why not post here??

SM

bpaton@inforamp.net. (bill paton) wrote:

>I am looking for a place to post several plans for simple to build
>furniture online. Anyone interested in this can contact me at:
>bpaton@inforamp.net

>Bill Paton



From luitjes@euronet.nl Fri Dec 13 11:39:40 EST 1996
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I want to design with a computer-programm and i'm looking for software?
Has someone experience with a programm.

Greetz,
 
Arjan Luitjes
TH RIJWIJK Telematica
E-mail: Luitjes@euronet.nl


From 100072.3717@compuserve.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:41 EST 1996
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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
hiermit moechte ich Sie auf eine wunderschne Homepage im Bereich
"Innenarchitektur"
aufmerksam machen. Klicken Sie auf die unten angegeben URL.
Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Gordian Hense

http://www.sadorex.ch/intradesign/


From pookie@a.crl.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:42 EST 1996
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From: Eric Brown <pookie@a.crl.com>
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Nick Pine wrote:
> 
> Eric Brown  <pookie@a.crl.com> wrote:
> 
> >I was in Houston this past summer, and there were definitely
> >periods where it wasn't cooling off at night, so strawbale should
> >be more effective [than rammed earth.]
> 
> In what sense? It seems to me that strawbales are basically insulation,
> without much thermal mass, which may be good for heating a house, but
> natural cooling needs thermal mass, inside insulation, eg to ventilate
> the house at night and button it up and keep it cool during the day, and
> absorb human infrared radiation.
> 
> Seems to me it makes no difference, if the indoor temperature stays the same
> all day. But thermal mass is a big plus for solar heating and natural cooling.

Nick, what I'm saying is exactly that -- strawbales are basically
insulation.
I don't think you saw what Gary was asking about.  He is concerned about
rammed
earth in the dead of summer, not the optimal conditions of warm
days/cool nights
or cold days/solar heat that you're talking about.  Uninsulated thermal
mass is
a great heat source/heat sink, which can be liability in the wrong
conditions.

Nice formulas tho... :)

Eric


From don@Misty.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:43 EST 1996
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Carlos Portela (solar3d@teleport.com) wrote, in part:
:
: Because of global climate change, wind storms are becomming more severe
: and more common.  Last winter, a hurricane struck the Oregon Coast and
: Portland, with damage extending as far south as Golden Gate Park in San
: Francisco, California, and north to Washington State.
: That storm struck in December, 1995, and packed sustained winds of 90
: mph for several hours.  In Newport, Oregon, a restaurant's entire roof
: was blown off all at once.  It did not have hurricane ties installed.

  I have somewhat heavily followed the more extreme weather in the U.S. in
recent years, and it does not seem true that a hurricane ever hit the U.S.
west coast in any somewhat recent U.S. history.  I can believe short-term
sustained winds (minutes?) in localized areas or prolonged hurricane-force
winds at considerable elevations in mountain areas.
  Although many severe storms in the U.S. are spawned by or evolved from
hurricanes, no hurricanes have ever been known to hit the U.S. west coast
during U.S. history as true hurricanes.

  Although I believe man-caused climate change to be a significant
probable problem, it does not help to exaggerate this.  Any exaggerations
proven untrue tend to be used to argue against existence of whatever was
being exaggerated.

: Carlos Portela
: solar3d@teleport.com
: http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d

 - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com or klipstei@netaxs.com)


From solar3d@teleport.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:44 EST 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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Don Klipstein wrote:
>   Although many severe storms in the U.S. are spawned by or evolved from
> hurricanes, no hurricanes have ever been known to hit the U.S. west coast
> during U.S. history as true hurricanes.
> 

You are correct that the hurricane that
hit the west coast on Dec. 12, 1995 was
not technically a hurricane.  There are
two reasons why it was not called a
hurricane.  The principal reason is that
the term "hurricane" is only applied to
storms that are in the Atlantic ocean.
Another reason the Dec. 12, 1995 storm
was not technically called a hurricane
was that it's center was loosely defined
offshore.

Everyone on the Oregon coast still calls
that storm a hurricane, although it's
true that technically it was not.
It was a hurricane in everything but
name.

You are wrong about the wind speeds.  In fact,
the sustained wind speed of the Dec. 12,
1995 storm was over 90 mph for at least
4 hours straight.  That was the minimum
wind speed during the four or five hours.
Gusts were much higher.  In Newport,
gusts regularly went over 105 mph.
You can check with the U.S. Coast
Guard station in Newport.

That storm is being shown on all of
the local newscasts today, since we
are having a smaller wind storm today.
If you could watch the local TV stations
out here you would see that it was
indeed a hurricane-force storm.

One of this area's TV station has
a good weather web site, although
I don't know if they have info on
past storms.  Their web site is at:

http://www.koin.com/weather/

It is interesting that some people
that are not on the west coast do not
find out about these storms that
hit the coast.  It was big news.
It's surprising you didn't hear
about it.

Let's see if I can find other sources
for you.  OK, I just went to the
National Public Radio site at:

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/rundowns/1995/Dec/me.12.13.95

This was one of their headlines
on Dec. 13, 1995:

> Colin Fogarty reports on the stormy weather
> conditions on the west coast... winds of more
> than 100 miles per hour knocked out power and
> caused extensive damage in California, Washington
> and Oregon.

I'll try to find other sources
for you.  Yes, we get real wind
storms out here.

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
solar3d@teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d


From alewis3239@aol.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:45 EST 1996
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From solar3d@teleport.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:46 EST 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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Hi Folks,

I tried posting the following message
a minute ago, but I don't think it
got through.  We are having trouble
accessing the net because of -- you
guessed it -- a wind storm!  That's
right, we're having a wind storm right
now.  Wind speeds are 60 mph (40 mph
inland).  Minor compared to the
Dec. 12, 1995 storm, but enough to
make internet access difficult.
Any way, here is the post.
Sorry if it is a duplicate.


Don Klipstein wrote:
>   Although many severe storms in the U.S. are spawned by or evolved from
> hurricanes, no hurricanes have ever been known to hit the U.S. west coast
> during U.S. history as true hurricanes.
> 

You are correct that the hurricane that
hit the west coast on Dec. 12, 1995 was
not technically a hurricane.  There are
two reasons why it was not called a
hurricane.  The principal reason is that
the term "hurricane" is only applied to
storms that are in the Atlantic ocean.
Another reason the Dec. 12, 1995 storm
was not technically called a hurricane
was that it's center was loosely defined
offshore.

Everyone on the Oregon coast still calls
that storm a hurricane, although it's
true that technically it was not.
It was a hurricane in everything but
name.

You are wrong about the wind speeds.  In fact,
the sustained wind speed of the Dec. 12,
1995 storm was over 90 mph for at least
4 hours straight.  That was the minimum
wind speed during the four or five hours.
Gusts were much higher.  In Newport,
gusts regularly went over 105 mph.
You can check with the U.S. Coast
Guard station in Newport.

That storm is being shown on all of
the local newscasts today, since we
are having a smaller wind storm today.
If you could watch the local TV stations
out here you would see that it was
indeed a hurricane-force storm.

One of this area's TV station has
a good weather web site, although
I don't know if they have info on
past storms.  Their web site is at:

http://www.koin.com/weather/

It is interesting that some people
that are not on the west coast do not
find out about these storms that
hit the coast.  It was big news.
It's surprising you didn't hear
about it.

Let's see if I can find other sources
for you.  OK, I just went to the
National Public Radio site at:

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/rundowns/1995/Dec/me.12.13.95

This was one of their headlines
on Dec. 13, 1995:

> Colin Fogarty reports on the stormy weather
> conditions on the west coast... winds of more
> than 100 miles per hour knocked out power and
> caused extensive damage in California, Washington
> and Oregon.

I'll try to find other sources
for you.  Yes, we get real wind
storms out here.

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
solar3d@teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d


From dattore@ncar.ucar.edu Fri Dec 13 11:39:47 EST 1996
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From: Bob Dattore <dattore@ncar.ucar.edu>
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Carlos Portela wrote:
> 
> You are correct that the hurricane that
> hit the west coast on Dec. 12, 1995 was
> not technically a hurricane.  There are
> two reasons why it was not called a
> hurricane.  The principal reason is that
> the term "hurricane" is only applied to
> storms that are in the Atlantic ocean.
> Another reason the Dec. 12, 1995 storm
> was not technically called a hurricane
> was that it's center was loosely defined
> offshore.
> 

This has really become a weather issue now, but the reason the storm was not
called a hurricane has nothing to do with the ocean basin or how loosely or
tightly defined the storm center was.  There are hurricanes in the Pacific
Ocean and in the Eastern Pacific, they are called hurricanes.  That term is
not reserved only for the Atlantic basin.

The reason that the 1995 Oregon storm was not called a hurricane is that it
was a "cold-core" storm, and not tropical in nature.  Cold-core storms can
have hurricane-force winds associated with them, but they are distinctly
different from hurricanes.  No hurricane has ever hit the Oregon coast that
I am aware of.

Bob


From tasman@acsu.buffalo.edu Fri Dec 13 11:39:48 EST 1996
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Guy Schackman wrote:

> The Las Vegas Hotel and Casino Construction page has been updated with
> photographs from late November.  I've also started tracking construction
> at Caesars Palace and The Sahara.  Stop by and check the progress of
> construction here in Vegas!

Excellent page!  A few questions, to anyone who knows anything about
what's going on in Vegas ...

* I just heard that the Hacienda closed.  What sort of mega-resort is
  planned for that site?

* Is it my imagination, or are the "three wing" hotels like the Mirage,
  Treasure Island, Bellagio and Monte Carlo all built from the same set of 
  plans?

* Are they ever going to build the Beau Rivage? 

* What's the deal with "The Caribbean?"  The "coming soon" sign has been
  up for about five years now.

* Isn't the Desert Inn up for a really _major_ expansion?  All I saw was
  a picture of a tiny, Victorian-looking wing that seemed really out of 
  place with the rest of the hotel.

* Any bets for the next Strip hotel to close and implode?  My money's
  going with Westward Ho, and maybe the Frontier, to be blasted down in
  the next few years.


-- 
 Dan Tasman    tasman@acsu.buffalo.edu   http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~tasman/
 UB School of Architecture and Planning          http://www.arch.buffalo.edu/
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From scowl@news Fri Dec 13 11:39:49 EST 1996
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Carlos Portela (solar3d@teleport.com) wrote:

: Everyone on the Oregon coast still calls
: that storm a hurricane, although it's
: true that technically it was not.

That's correct. The storm did not have a significant eye therefore 
was not a hurricane. My relatives on the coast never called it a
hurricane, only the "wind storm".

: It was a hurricane in everything but
: name.

So the "technical" reason it wasn't a hurricane was it wasn't a
hurricane in name?

: That storm is being shown on all of
: the local newscasts today, since we
: are having a smaller wind storm today.

We have wind storms like this all of the time. I've lived here all
of my life and while I wasn't born in time to experience the Columbus 
Day storm (1962?), I have seen little weather-caused damage and injury.
All those blizzards, hurricanes, tornados, and so on I hear that
happen on the east coast are unheard of here.

: It is interesting that some people
: that are not on the west coast do not
: find out about these storms that
: hit the coast.  It was big news.
: It's surprising you didn't hear
: about it.

The wind storm caused little damage and injury compared to actual
hurricanes that hit the U.S. that year. The flood that happened
later was far more devastating to our area and received far more
national attention.

scowl@plaza.ds.adp.com ---------- 
Scott Larson  ADP Dealer Services
Systems       2525 S.W. 1st     
Programmer    Portland, OR 97201 


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Tim Jebb wrote:
> 
> >>I presume you're talking about the European condensing dryers.  
> >>Have you
> 
>The only condensing dryers I've seen are ones which use cold water, >and are in fact combination washer-dryers. However, I've not been >looking very hard, not knowing that such beasts exist except in my >imagination. Can you actually buy them?

> >>seen any exported to the US?  Biggest problem I would be aware of is
> >>capacity just as with their washers.

> >Well, that's a matter of your perceived "need" for capacity.  It does > >not seem
> >to me that people in Europe necessarily have a lesser need for drying > >lots of clothes at a time than we in North America do.

> Not true. It's well known that Americans sweat more than we do :-)

I don´t know what you can buy in thee US but in Norway the condensing 
dryers I belive have half of the marked. They have been for sale at 
least 5-10 years and are not too expensive either. A full 
washer-machine, about 4-5 kg dry clothes, takes about 2 hours to dry and 
"produce" desilised water in a container which you have to empty. On hot 
summer dayes it is not so efficient. It produces heat (not wapour) so a 
closed  small room isn´t a ideal placement. In winter time the condense 
dryer works very good and the heat is a welcome side-effect.

Line Diana Blytt


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From solar3d@teleport.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:52 EST 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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Scott W Larson wrote:

> . . . The storm did not have a significant eye therefore
> was not a hurricane. My relatives on the coast never called it a
> hurricane, only the "wind storm".

Some parts of the coast were spared, such
as Roger Cunningham's house.  You can read
his account of the December 12, 1995 wind
storm at this web page:

http://ocs.ats.orst.edu/reports/Dec95_wind.html

That storm packed hurricane force winds for
5 hours, and had the air pressure of a
Category 2 hurricane.

>  I have seen little weather-caused damage and injury.

Much of Portland (where you are) was spared
in that storm, but the parts of Portland that
were hit were hard hit.  In the Heron Grove
subdivision, half of the 62 homes were damaged.

> All those blizzards, hurricanes, tornados, and so on I hear that
> happen on the east coast are unheard of here.

You are out of touch with Oregon weather.
Today shortly after noon, severe wind caused
a 2-mile trail of damage in Eugene, Oregon.
To keep up on Oregon weather, you can visit this web page:

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/or/allwarnings.html

If you visit that site right now you'll
see this warning from earlier today:

WWUS34 KPDX 052110 COR
SVSPDX
ORZ006-052300-
 
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT    ...CORRECTED DAY...
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PORTLAND OR
1253 PM PST THU DEC 5 1996
 
...UNCONFIRMED TORNADO REPORTED IN NORTH EUGENE...

AT 1245 PM LOCAL MEDIA REPORTED NUMEROUS TREES AND POWERLINES DOWN IN
THE NORTH SECTION OF EUGENE. A REPORT OF ROOF DAMAGE AND A FELLED
TREE ON A HOUSE WAS ALSO RECEIVED. DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A MODERATE
SHOWER IN THE AREA AT THE TIME. NO LIGHTNING WAS DETECTED BY
INSTRUMENTION. IT IS UNCONFIRMED AT THIS TIME WHETHER STORM DAMAGE
WAS THE RESULT OF A SMALL TORNADO OR DOWNBURST WINDS ASSOCIATED WITH
THE HEAVY SHOWERS. 

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STRONG THUNDERSTORMS WITH DAMAGING WIND AND SMALL HAIL ARE POSSIBLE
THIS AFTERNOON. 

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was crushed, roof damage occured to several
houses, two schools were closed, and thousands
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service right now.  All of the Eugene TV
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Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
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From charles@upstairs-records.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:53 EST 1996
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Hi,

First I apologize if I am posting incorrectly to an improper newsgroup. 
I have a problem and I was hoping to get a 2nd opinion.  

I am rebuilding my house with a "traditional" tone.  I would like to
install a mahagony door and a mahogony frame.  My architect is telling
me that if I put a mahogony frame that I must make all of the moldings
and trimming in the entire room mahagony as well or it will not look
right.  He even went so far as to say it was like a law, or something.  
My decorator doesn't seem to agree.  She says that if I put wood
moldings around the room and just make the door and the frame mahagony
it would look fine.  (This also fits into my budget).  My architect told
me either do the entire room mahagony, or don't do it at all.

Who is right.  Are there any other opinons?  Any would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Charles


From nancyg@tiac.net Fri Dec 13 11:39:54 EST 1996
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Charles Sued wrote:

> I would like to
> install a mahagony door and a mahogony frame.  My architect is telling
> me that if I put a mahogony frame that I must make all of the moldings
> and trimming in the entire room mahagony as well or it will not look
> right.  

Well, it is typically the way it's done.  In *most* cases, the baseboard
and mouldings in a room are of the same wood and finish as the door frames
and doors that you can see from inside the room.

> He even went so far as to say it was like a law, or something.

(grin) Architects tend to be very definitive in their statements, I think.

> My decorator doesn't seem to agree.  She says that if I put wood
> moldings around the room and just make the door and the frame mahagony
> it would look fine.  

Ummm ... that would kind of depend on what *kind* of wood you're talking
about when you say "wood mouldings."  After all, mahogany is also a kind
of wood, right?

My opinion is that if you stain the trim with a color that comes close to
matching the mahogany door and door frame, and if the grain or texture
of the wood you use isn't too different, it would probably look OK.  There's
no question it would look *better* if it were all done in mahogany, but
you're the only one who has to be happy with it, and you are the only one
who know exactly what your priorities are and what your budget can tolerate.

> My architect told
> me either do the entire room mahagony, or don't do it at all.

If you don't *want* to do the entire room in mahogany, don't.  Remember,
you hired the architect to tell you how things should be built, and you
hired the decorator to tell you how they should look.

If you DO want to do the whole room in mahogany but are debating due to
the cost ... that's a different story.  If you really have your heart set
on it, I'd say go for it.  We decided in our house to go with a custom
color angled and trimmed formica countertop that more than doubled the price 
if we'd just used plain in-stock formica.  We were at that point WAY over
budget and completely out of money ... we thought we were crazy to order
the custom countertop.  But we both loved it.  And we have not ONCE regretted
ordering it.  If you don't *LOVE* the thought of the mahogany, you may be
sorry if you say yes.
 
> Who is right.  Are there any other opinons?  Any would be appreciated.

Replacing baseboards and moulding really isn't too terrible of a job to do
to an existing room.  Figure out if it would be prohibitively expensive to
have the job done in the less expensive wood but planning all along that if
you really HATE it when it's done, you would then switch to mahogany.  Or,
you could do like we did in this house and develop what we call the "Five-Year
Plan."  This was simply the list of things we still wanted to have done, but
had run out of money for.  We just figured we'd do them all five years down
the road.


From rdpeter@nwi.net Fri Dec 13 11:39:55 EST 1996
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Nick Pine wrote:
> 
> Eric Brown  <pookie@a.crl.com> wrote:
> 
> >I was in Houston this past summer, and there were definitely
> >periods where it wasn't cooling off at night, so strawbale should
> >be more effective [than rammed earth.]
> 
> In what sense? It seems to me that strawbales are basically insulation,
> without much thermal mass, which may be good for heating a house, but
> natural cooling needs thermal mass, inside insulation, eg to ventilate
> the house at night and button it up and keep it cool during the day, and
> absorb human infrared radiation.
> 
> >(I'm freezing in my Austin apt right now, which is concrete although not
> >with the thermal mass of thick rammed earth walls).
> 
> Concrete has lots of thermal mass. About 24 Btu/F-ft^3 I think, vs water or
> steel at 62, or rammed earth at (?). But it seems to me it needs outsulation,
> for a long RC time constant, on the order of 200 hours, to make an energy
> efficient house. Consider a 16' concrete cube, with 6" solid walls, with R20
> insulation all round: RC = R20/(6x256ft^2)x6x256ft^2x12 Btu/ft^2 = 240 hours
> or 10 days :-) Heat it up during sunny weather to 75 F, and let it cool off
> for a few cloudy days in a row in Austin in January, where the average outdoor
> temp is 48.8 F, and the indoor temperature T = 48.8 + (75-48.8)exp(-t/240),
> where t is in hours...
> 
> 68 = 48.8 + (75-48.8)exp(-t/240) when t=-240ln((68-48.8)/(75-48.8))=74 hours,
> ie just over 3 cloudy days in a row. Not a bad solar house... It could be
> improved by somehow insulating 1 or 2 walls on the inside, and keeping them
> warmer than room temperature, or using water instead of concrete.
> 
> >Overhang design would be more important for rammed earth to shield from the
> >summer sun and use the winter sun.
> 
> I don't think winter sun shining onto a rammed earth wall will do much
> to heat a house, without glazing. With glazing, it makes a poor Trombe wall,
> and Trombe walls are already poor solar collectors, because they store solar
> heat in a thermal mass wall during the day, and let most of that stored heat
> leak out through the low-thermal-resistance glazing at night. A Trombe wall is
> also a thermal disaster on a cloudy day, since it is such a poor insulator.
> 
> Far better to put some glazing over some sort of dark colored insulation,
> with an air gap, and let solar-warmed air flow into the thermal mass of the
> house during the day, and let the air gap and glazing get cold at night.
> 
> >...when you do use a/c or heat, more thermal mass means more energy required.
> 
> Seems to me it makes no difference, if the indoor temperature stays the same
> all day. But thermal mass is a big plus for solar heating and natural cooling.
> 
> Nick


   Nick,

    your my GOD. I've been reading you for at least 3 months now.
You know anything about everything. I hope someday to be just like you!


From tasman@acsu.buffalo.edu Fri Dec 13 11:39:56 EST 1996
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From: tasman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Daniel P Tasman)
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Charles Sued (charles@upstairs-records.com) wrote:

: I am rebuilding my house with a "traditional" tone.  I would like to
: install a mahagony door and a mahogony frame.  My architect is telling
: me that if I put a mahogony frame that I must make all of the moldings
: and trimming in the entire room mahagony as well or it will not look
: right.  He even went so far as to say it was like a law, or something.  
: My decorator doesn't seem to agree.  She says that if I put wood
: moldings around the room and just make the door and the frame mahagony
: it would look fine.  (This also fits into my budget).  My architect told
: me either do the entire room mahagony, or don't do it at all.

The door and it's trim is an integral feature of the room - it's not a
piece of furniture, but rather, a part of the structure itself.  The
material that is used for the doors and the trim should match the other
molding in the room.  

Architects deal with the design of the building and things integral to it
- doors, windows, occasionally lighting fixtures, cabinetry and so on. 
Interior designers are experts at dealing with the building's interior
"accessory uses," to use a bit of urban planner's jargon - furniture,
wallpaper, curtains, appliance colors and whatnot.  Who would be the
expert in this case?

For a second opinion, check out some new houses that are being built in
the area - not all of them were designed by architects or decorated by
professionals, but you might want to see if different types or colors of
wood are used within the same room of any of those houses.

-- 
 Dan Tasman  http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~tasman/     tasman#acsu.buffalo.edu  
 No unsolicited commercial email please - all junk email will be returned 20X
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From solar3d@teleport.com Fri Dec 13 11:39:57 EST 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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Scott W Larson wrote:

> I have seen little weather-caused damage . . .

Scott,

Check out the photo on this web
page of a commercial barn on the
Oregon Coast destroyed by the
Dec. 12, 1995 wind storm:

http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d/wind/barn.html

They are currently rebuilding it at
considerable expense.

I took that photo a few weeks after
the storm, since I did not have a camera
when the storm hit.  There was a great
deal of expensive damage from that storm.
You don't seem to get out and experience
much of Oregon outside of Portland.

For info on Oregon tornadoes, see
these web pages:

http://www.ocs.orst.edu/pub_ftp/reports/book/Tornado.html
http://www.ocs.orst.edu/pub_ftp/reports/book/Tornado_scale.html


Sincerely,

Carlos Portela
-- 
3-D Software
P.O. Box 220, Mapleton OR  97453  USA
solar3d@teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~solar3d


From barock@ukans.edu Fri Dec 13 11:39:58 EST 1996
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From: "Brian A. Rock" <barock@ukans.edu>
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jsh56@aol.com wrote:
> 
> ive been in both engineering and arch.........id go with civil degree
> because of
> 1.more job opportunities
> 2.more income
> 3.more diversified skills
> 4.less school

Architectural engineering is consulting engineering for buildings, and
not architecture.  Therefore, items 1 through 3 are not applicable to
the question at hand.  Some BS ARCE programs are 5 years long, however.

To learn about architectural engineering, please visit:

The National Society of Architectural Engineers (NSAE)
http://www.arce.ukans.edu/nsae/main.htm

KU Architectural Engineering
http://www.arce.ukans.edu/arce/arce.htm

The World-Wide Web Virtual Library: Architectural Engineering
http://www.arce.ukans.edu/wwwvl/wwwarce.htm

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In article <32A79A5B.303C@upstairs-records.com>
Charles Sued <charles@upstairs-records.com> writes:


> I am rebuilding my house with a "traditional" tone.  

(snip)
> My architect told
> me either do the entire room mahagony, or don't do it at all.
> 
> Who is right. 

You are! These people are taking your money to do a job.  The decision
rests with you.   A lot depends on how you want to be about
"traditional".  You can get the feel of tradition without being slavish
to it.  I don't know many people putting in hot water rads anymore,
even though they are traditional.

Put in mahagony later as your budget allows, if that's what you want. 

john

***************
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except on Saturday night
when I make the martinis.
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From Jdzienkowski@mail.law.utexas.edu Fri Dec 13 11:40:00 EST 1996
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We are building a traditional new home with mahogany 6080 doors and
mahogany trim around the front of the door but on the inside we are
triming the door out with pine wood moulding.  The door is door will
be framed in a 5 inch ribbed moulding with blocks in the corner and
painted white moulding throughout the room.  



From michelgagnon@videotron.ca Fri Dec 13 11:40:01 EST 1996
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In article (Dans l'article) <32A79A5B.303C@upstairs-records.com>, Charles
Sued <charles@upstairs-records.com> wrote (écrivait) :

+Hi,
+
+I am rebuilding my house with a "traditional" tone.  I would like to
+install a mahagony door and a mahogony frame.  My architect is telling
+me that if I put a mahogony frame that I must make all of the moldings
+and trimming in the entire room mahagony as well or it will not look
+right.  
+My decorator doesn't seem to agree.  She says that if I put wood
+moldings around the room and just make the door and the frame mahagony
+it would look fine.  (....)
+Who is right.  Are there any other opinons?  Any would be appreciated.
+
+Thanks,
+
+Charles



The "all-or-nothing" strategy is certainly more traditional ; likewise,
around here, the main cooridor, living room and dining room used to have
similar and more elaborate moldings than other rooms where visitors did not
go. However, many schemes are done nowadays and acceptable if they suit
your taste... and budget.

If present baseboards are smaller then traditional replacements (i.e.
replicas), you might also think about a third scenario which includes doing
the door and framing right now and changing the baseboards in a few years.
I would however avoid painting baseboards in a contrasting colour, but
rather blend them in with the wall colour (personal taste, because of the
varnished door frame).

And if this may even confuse you, we plan something like that for our
living room. Doors, door frames and moldings will be oak, likewise for
baseboards,but wall moldings and trimmings will be painted because there
are so many of them it would make the room too dark and "crowded".

-- 

Michel Gagnon
Montréal (Québec, Canada)
nouvelle adresse : michelgagnon@videotron.ca
ancienne adresse : mgagnon@total.net  (jusqu'au 31 dec -- until dec 31)
Montréal (Québec, Canada)


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The wind storm that hit Eugene
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On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Carlos Portela wrote:

> The wind storm that hit Eugene
> yesterday has been classified by
> the National Weather Service as
> a "weak tornado."  I visited the
> site of the storm today -- a four
> mile path from Auzen Stadium in
> Eugene to the Gateway neighborhood
> in Springfield, where most of the
> damage occured.
> 
> I am interested in how to reduce
> architectural damage from wind storms.

     Domes are better at dealing with high winds than rectangular
structures.  Since the outter walls are curved they deflect the wind force
more easily and present less resistance to the wind.  Since they have no
square corners they also do not have the areas of turbulance that you have
with the corners and expecially the roof lines of conventions buildings. 

     Domes also have the advantage of being self supporting.  I saw
pictures of a dome that was uprooted in a hurricane in the Carolinas,
don't recall the exact location.  It was ripped off its foundation and
dropped in the street more than half a mile from its original site.  It
remained completely in tact!  They hauled it back to it's foundation and
reattached it.  It suffered only superficial damage of broken windows but
no structural repairs were required. 

     Also good at withstanding high winds are earth shelters.  Where the
earth is mounded over them there are sloping slides so again it deflect
the wind better and the mass of the earth makes it pretty much unmoveable. 



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Charles Sued wrote:

> I am rebuilding my house with a "traditional" tone.  I would like to
> install a mahagony door and a mahogony frame.  My architect is telling
> me that if I put a mahogony frame that I must make all of the moldings
> and trimming in the entire room mahagony as well or it will not look
> right.  He even went so far as to say it was like a law, or something.
> My decorator doesn't seem to agree.  She says that if I put wood
> moldings around the room and just make the door and the frame mahagony
> it would look fine.  (This also fits into my budget).  My architect told
> me either do the entire room mahagony, or don't do it at all.
> 
> Who is right.  Are there any other opinons?  Any would be appreciated.

First of all, the architect has no right to tell you that. YOU are the 
client, the one who has the final say in all aspects of design. YOU 
own the architect, and the architects job is to convince you about 
particular design ideas, or legalities and hazards. It sounds like the 
architect hasn't really done his/her homework, and is simply saying 
"that's the way it has to be." This is not design.
The decorator (I'm assuming is not an interior designer) at least has an 
open mind, but may be saying this as a "yah well, sure, whatever". I 
suggest to be careful. In the meantime, do this:
Draw a 3-dimensional cube with a yellow marker, pencil crayon, whatever. 
Then, draw a brown rectangle like a door on one of the sides. If you can 
live with that, then go for it. Look at it for a while, and really study 
it. If you have trouble drawing, tell the architect to do it for you. 
You're paying him for it.

Good luck!

funkster


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ive been in both engineering and arch.........id go with civil degree
because of
1.more job opportunities
2.more income
3.more diversified skills
4.less school


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gail....im an expert in wind design.......contact me for more info


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Guy Schackman wrote:
> 
> In article <32A71002.513B@netwizards.net>, HThomas
> <hthomas@netwizards.net> wrote:
> 
> > Daniel P Tasman wrote:
> 
> > > * Are they ever going to build the Beau Rivage?
> >
> > It is my understanding that the LV project that had been referred to as
> > the "Beau Rivage" is now the Bellagio that we all know of. The name
> > "Beau Rivage" is now being used for a Mirage/Wynn project in Atlantic
> > City.
> 
> I was my understanding that the Beau Rivage is being built in Biloxi,
> Mississippi.  Can anyone confirm this?
> 
> Guy Schackman

After my earlier post, I visited the Mirage web site. You are indeed
correct that "Beau Rivage" is the name of their Mississippi project.
According to that web site, the AC project appears to be unnamed, though
I thought I had heard that the AC casino was going to be named "Beau
Rivage" as well. Thanks for correcting my error.........HThomas


From og6594@irix.bris.ac.uk Fri Dec 13 11:40:12 EST 1996
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From jklein@tincan.tincan.org Fri Dec 13 11:40:14 EST 1996
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Charles Sued (charles@upstairs-records.com) wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: snip'd for space
:
: I am rebuilding my house with a "traditional" tone.  I would like to
: install a mahagony door and a mahogony frame.  My architect is telling
: me that if I put a mahogony frame that I must make all of the moldings
: and trimming in the entire room mahagony as well or it will not look
: right.  He even went so far as to say it was like a law, or something.  
: My decorator doesn't seem to agree.  She says that if I put wood
: moldings around the room and just make the door and the frame mahagony
: it would look fine.  (This also fits into my budget).  My architect told
: me either do the entire room mahagony, or don't do it at all.
: 
: Who is right.  Are there any other opinons?  Any would be appreciated.
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: Charles
:-->
: IMHO Charles I would be more concerned with who I really want to please
: the most, The architect, decorator, or myself.
:
: IMHO
: Jim
:-->
-- 


From selectec@silcom.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:15 EST 1996
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International Entertainment Company in southern california has an immediate
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Director of Production and Vendor Administration-- This position will be
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From carlyle@achilles.net Fri Dec 13 11:40:16 EST 1996
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From: Carlyle Design Associates <carlyle@achilles.net>
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I invite all to come see our website at
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From bchris@surya.txinfinet.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:17 EST 1996
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From: bchris@surya.txinfinet.com (Bill Christensen)
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crthurs@ibm.net, writes:
>I'd be interested in hearing from folks who have had experience with 
>composting toilets and gray water disposal; dry wells, or perhaps there 
>is a unique alternative??

and petroski@freenet.msp.mn.us writes:
>     I'm interested in building a composting toilet myself.  Did you have 
>a set of plans to work from when you did yours?  If so where can I get a 
>copy of the plans?  If you designed it yourself can you tell me how you 
>made it or I can make one?  I'm going to be building my own house in a 
>couple of years and plan to use a compositng toilet and grey water system 
>to save on water usage and avoid the cost of installing a septic tank.  
>We also plan to use the grey water to irrigate gardens.

You may want to check out the Sustainable Building Sourcebook at
http://www.greenbuilder.com/sourcebook/.  There are chapters on greywater
(...sourcebook/greywater.html) and composting toilets
(.../sourcebook/composttoilet.html), as well as 40 other greenbuilding topics.

BC


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From 632, Broadway, NYC, NY, 10012 Fri Dec 13 11:40:18 EST 1996
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From: James Wines <sitejw@interport.net>
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Arthur Quarmby is an architect based in England well-known for
underground building.  He will be in a book on organic architecture that
my husband James Wines is writing.
Quarmby is in Huddersfield
 
Fax 44 484 432 586 Good luck. Kriz


From solar3d@teleport.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:19 EST 1996
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From: Carlos Portela <solar3d@teleport.com>
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bartermn@epix.net wrote:
> 
> Chuck Thurston (crthurs@ibm.net) wrote:
> : I'd be interested in hearing from folks who have had experience with
> : composting toilets and gray water disposal; dry wells, or perhaps there
> : is a unique alternative??
> 
>  Hi Chuck, We've used a homemade composting toilet for fifteen years,
> our grey water goes to the garden and flower beds. You should check out
> the book 'Humanure', I don't know the author offhand but can find it for
> you if you like. I saw the ad for it in 'Countryside and Small Stock
> Journal'.

A book I used when building compost
toilets was Sim Van der Ryn's Toilet Papers.
It is available for $10.95 plus $2.50
shipping and handling (for US orders) from:

Ecological Design Institute
10 Libertyship Way, Suite 370
Sausalito, CA 94965
(415) 332-5806
ecodes@aol.com
http://www.trope.com/edi/publications.html


Sincerely,

Carlos Portela
-- 
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From geroge@hotmail.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:21 EST 1996
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From rurban-At-sbox.tu-graz.ac.at Fri Dec 13 11:40:22 EST 1996
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From: <rurban-At-sbox.tu-graz.ac.at> (Reini Urban)
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Hi!
Anybody heard of such a thing?

On certain roads with pillars, trees, tunnels at the side and with
certain distances (pillar-street and pillar-pillar) and a certain speed
there are rythmic noises if a car passes by. Its a negative phenomenon
for the car drivers as well as for the residents.

The frequences and amplitudes should be calculated easily to avoid them.

Are there any existing projects to create music with it? A so called
"music wall" (of course in areas without residents). The americans and
french are often very playful with road, bridge and tunnel projects...

Maybe somebody knows of anything.
Thanks.
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From lwmartinis@aol.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:23 EST 1996
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From tsirlr@halcyon.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:24 EST 1996
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From clay.jenkinsl@ns.sympatico.ca Fri Dec 13 11:40:25 EST 1996
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                American University of Beirut
                850 Third Avenue, 18th floor
                New York, N.Y. 10022

             3. Che Carreau
                84 Marion Dr.
                Sherwood Park, Alberta Canada  
                T8A 0M4

             4. Marko Munda
                Liminjan 14
                6320 Portoroz
                Slovenia
             
             5. C. Jenkins
                5264 Morris St. # 501
                Halifax, Nova Scotia
                B3J 1B5
             
           - Then place your name and address at the bottom of the list (#5) and move
             the other names up one spot ( 1 falls off, 2 becomes 1, etc. ) and post 
             the article in at least 200 newsgroups ( there are thousands ).

  Step3 :  The Post ( Netscape 3.0 )

           - Click on any newsgroup like normal, then click on 'TO NEWS', that is on
             the far left when you're in the newsgroups page. This will bring up a 
             box to type a message in.

           - Leave the newsgroup box like it is and change the subject box to
             something flashy ( $$$$$ FREE CASH $$$$$ ex.). 

           - Tab once and you should be ready to type.

           - Retype ( only once ) this whole article word for word, except to insert 
             your name at #5 and take #1 off the list. Keep it all the same unless 
             there are typos.

           - When you're done typing, click on 'File' in the menu bar and select
             'Save as' and save your article as a text file.

           - DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE UNTIL YOU DO THIS

           - Click on any newsgroup then click on 'To News'. Leave the newsgroup
             box alone and put a flashy title in the subject box. Click on 'Attachments'
             that is below the subject box. Click on 'Attach File' then find the file
             you saved. Double click the file to open it. If you did this right, you 
             should see your name in the attachments box and it will be shaded green.

           - That's it. Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a different
             newsgroup. Now you only have 199 to go. Don't worry, once you get used to
             it, it only takes about 30 seconds. Remember, 200 is the minimum and the
             more you post, the more you will make. 


Now let me tell you WHY this works :
 
 - Out of every 200 postings, let's say you only receive 5 replies ( this is very low ).
   So, you make $5 with your name at #5.
 - Then each person who sent you a dollar makes only say 200 postings now with your name
   at #4 which is a total of 1000 postings.
 - 50 people send you a $1 then your new agents post 200 each with your name at #3.
   This is 10,000 postings with an average return of 500 at $1 each. 
 - They make 200 postings that is 5000 returns at $1 each.
 - Finally 5000 people make 200 postings with your name at #1 and you get a return of
   $50,000 before your name drops off the list and that's if everyone only makes
   200 postings and if only 5 people respond.
 - When your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting that is appearing
   in the newsgroups, and send out another $5 to the names on the list putting your 
   name at #5 again....start posting.

The thing to remember is that thousands of people all over the world are joining the 
Internet and reading these articles every day. So can you afford $5 to see if it 
really works? It's your call !!

Some people have said, what if the paln is played out and noone sends you the money?
So what. There are thousands of honest users on the Net and thousands of honest people
signing up every day. Estimates are at 20,000 - 50,000 new users every day.

Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLYand THIS WILL WORK, I PROMISE YOU !!
BY THE WAY, IF YOU TRY TO DECEIVE PEOPLE BY POSTING THE MESSAGES WITH YOUR NAME ON THE 
LIST AND NOT SENDING MONEY TO THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST, YOU WILL NOT GET MUCH.
- Someone who tried it made $150 and that was after 7-8 weeks. Then they sent five $1
  bills, people added them to their lists and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000.

POST AWAY AND BE PREPARED TO RAKE IT IN !!! HAVE FUN AND REMEMBER HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.
        



From lwmartinis@aol.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:26 EST 1996
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From: lwmartinis@aol.com
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L. W. MARTIN CONSTRUCTION COST CONSULTANTS

We are providing the following seminars:

-Introduction to Construction Estimating
-Intermediate Construction Estimating
-Advanced Construction Estimating
-Estimating as a Pre-Construction Service
-Estimating as a General Contractor
-Competitive Bidding Strategies
-Estimating by CSI
-Residential Construction Estimating
-Commercial Construction Estimating
-Concrete Construction Estimating
-Masonry Construction Estimating
-Steel Construction Estimating
-Wood Construction Estimating
-Drywall Construction Estimating
-Plumbing Construction Estimating

All Seminars are two days in length and 14 hours of lecture held on a
weekend.

Course Materials, Lunch, and Refreshments are all included as part of the
seminar cost of $150.

For more information on dates, locations, course content, instructors, and
enrollment information please e-mail us at LWMartinis@aol.com


From nick@wetafx.co.nz Fri Dec 13 11:40:27 EST 1996
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From: Nick Booth <nick@wetafx.co.nz>
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Hello everyone,

This is a plea for information. I am attempting to track down as many
photographs and maps as possible of Downtown and Midtown Manhattan
around 1933 (give or takea few years).

Any information would be appreciated, in particular access to on-line
sites and district planning maps.

Please send mail if possible, although I will of course check here.


-- 
                                  Nick Booth
                               
                               nick@wetafx.co.nz


From scottfear@aol.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:28 EST 1996
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From: scottfear@aol.com
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_____________________________________________________________________
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* AMERICAN BUILDING SYSTEMS, INC. 

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(a) We manufacture and install prefabricated panels for the construction
of low to moderate housing.  (b) We provide civil engineering and
construction services in the design and implementation of infrastructure,
buildings, and etc.  (c) We provide financing for those who utilize our
products and services.  We are not a bank but a construction company that
must be involved in every project we provide funds for.

Our prefabricated panels are for primarily "offshore" consumption, a fully
formed, quick assembly, insulated, composite structure.  These panels are
designed to be quickly erected on a "formed in place" concrete slab.  The
popularity of our product has produced much inquiry and has resulted in $4
billion of engineering and construction projects in China.

To satisfy the above criteria requires material coupled with imaginative
design characteristics.  This unusual product consists of a "STATE OF THE
ART" modern material with appreciable insulative characteristics and
extremely high strength to weight ratios.  The only known material is this
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Scott Fearing 
Marketing Agent
(610) 622-3202


From rschmid358@aol.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:29 EST 1996
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From: rschmid358@aol.com
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Subject: make lots of money NOW!!! Easy method! $$$
Date: 9 Dec 1996 07:11:04 GMT
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  First off, this is another one of those $5 investment opportunities you
have probably seen time and time again. However this version of how to do
it
is very short, so take a few minutes to read it.... It could change your
mind, as well as your bank account!
     I graduated from college with a BS in the field of finance. I have
always and still am very skeptical of any get-rich-quick-scheme. It just
goes
against everything I learned in finance... But, this really works!
     For an initial investment of $5, you can make several hundered or
thousand dollars. IT ONLY TAKES 15-20 MINUTES, thats all! Let me add one
thing here. This is a totally legitimate investment opportunity. What you
are
doing is maintaining a mailing list. Its so easy, that it is hard to
believe,
but believe it!
     I have seen several of these adds for free money, extra pocket cash,
etc. I never gave them a second thought. Then I thought about how much I
could use some extra money. I figured it is defintaly worth a try!
     Think about it. The probability of earning a couple hundered dollars
is
worth $5 in itself! All for maintaining a mailing list!
     STILL INTERESTED? ONLY $5.00
     Here are the steps to follow:

     step 1. Write your name and address on 5 seperate pieces of paper
with
the words "please add me to your mailing list" Fold a $1 bill in each of
these pieces of paper so the bill is not seen (to avoid mail theft) and
mail
them to the following five addresses:

     1. EWB p.o. box 53, Cheswick, PA, 15024 (USA)
     2. J. Crane p.o box 12691, Overland Park, KS, 66282-2691 (USA)
     3. Steve Anderson 4536 West Pioneer Dr. #371, Irving, TX 75061 (USA)
     4. Greg Hayner 700 Monrovia Dr., Ruston, LA, 71270 (USA)
     5. Ray Schmidt Jr. p.o box 338, Linwood, MI, 48634 (USA)

     step 2. Now remove the first name on the list, move the other four up
one spot (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, and so on) and put your name and
address
as number five on the list. Do this by editing the list on this article.

     step 3. Re-post this article, (after editing the list) to as many
newsgroups as possible, the minimum suggested is 200. (Hint: The more
newsgroups you post to, the more income oppourtunity) You can post to a
bunch
of newsgroups at once in Internet Explorer, not sure about netscape, or
you
can do it one at a time, there are about 20,000 in all
     You are now  in the mail order investment business and will begin
receiving $1 returns within a week or two. All you have to do now is keep
a
list of each person that sends you a dollar... This will be easy because
each
of them should send their name and address on the piece of paper with
their 1
dollar, all you have to do is file it.
     After a while, you will no longer appear on the list. At that time,
feel
free to grab another list off the internet and repeat the process... I
know I
am! You virtually can not loose. If you want more info on how and why this
works, e-mail me at Greg@sdtnet.net.... Happy Postings!!




From pedesign@magicnet.net Fri Dec 13 11:40:30 EST 1996
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From: pedesign@magicnet.net (Mark Warriner)
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Subject: Seeking European Relocation Info.
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I am an American Landscape Architect looking to relocate to Europe. I would 
like to make contacts within the related fields of European Architecture, 
Urbanism, Horticulture, Landscape Contracting and/or Garden Design. My 
preferences are western European countries but I am wide
open to all the other locations.

Because my desire to live in Europe is so great and my ability to speak 
other languages is not yet at a fluent level, I will accept a position far 
below what my CV would suggest. This includes a job
working with plants at a European nursery or in landscape installation. At 
this level I believe my talents and knowledge can help a European company 
and simultaneously, help me get established in Europe while also giving me 
time to learn the language. Considering how difficult it is for an American 
to find work in Europe, I would be extremely happy to find work of any kind.

Besides going to school in Italy, I have worked and travel in Europe and 
South America. While in these countries, I taught myself about their 
particular garden designs and landscape plants. I have greatly enjoyed 
working internationally and learning about other cultures. I wish to 
continue this by relocating to Europe while also expand my professional 
experience by working in one of the most culturally  rich parts of the 
world.

I greatly anticipate a positive response. 

MARK WARRINER

210 East Morse Blvd. Apt. 1-34, Winter Park, FL U.S.A. 32789 
Telephone: 011(407)629-9276  E-mail: pedesign@magicnet.net  
Fax:011(407)629-7888

          
          




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                                 RESUME
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MARK WARRINER

210 East Morse Blvd. Apt. 1-34, Winter Park, FL U.S.A. 32789 
Telephone: 011(407)629-9276  E-mail: pedesign@magicnet.net  Fax: 
011(407)629-7888
          
          
          
  OBJECTIVE:
  
          Seeking a position as a Landscape Architect. 
          
  EDUCATION:
  
          UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA,  Athens, Georgia
          Bachelor's Degree in Landscape Architecture
          1992
          Named to Dean's List (for academic excellence: 4/4 grade). Studies 
          Abroad Program in Cortona, Italy. Internship with Soils & 
          Conservation Department; U.S. Government. Pertinent classes: 
          Computer Graphics/Autocad/Landscape Spreadsheet, Site Engineering, 
          Planting Design, History of Art/Landscape 
          Architecture/Architecture(Italy), Plant Material 
          Identification(zones 7-5) and Design Studio.
          
          VALENCIA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, Orlando, Fla.
          Associate of Science Degree in Ornamental Horticulture
          1989
          Named to Deans List (for academic excellence: 3.5/4 grade).
          Pertinent classes: Ornamental / Landscape/Subtropical and Native 
          Plant Material Identification(zones: 10-8), Soils and Fertilizers, 
          Plant Pathology, Turfgrass Management,Flower Forcing, Nursery 
          Management and Plant Propagation.  
          
  EXPERIENCE:
  
          IVEY, HARRIS, & WALLS, INC., Winter Park, Florida
          Landscape Architect, 1994-
          Assisted in developing and implementing a variety of projects: 
          1)FANTASMIC! FLORIDA - DISNEY'S MGM STUDIOS: 
            Planting design and landscape construction drawings (AutoCAD). 
          2)ORANGESCAPE: HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION PROGRAM: 
            Lead landscape designer and development of Xeriscape plant 
            palette.         
          3)UNIVERSAL CITY, FLORIDA:
             Development of plant palette and landscape construction        
             drawings (AutoCAD)for second largest theme resort/park in U.S. 
          4)ORANGE COUNTY PARKS & RECREATION: 
             Planting design and landscape construction drawings (AutoCAD). 
          5)MICKEY'S STARLAND - DISNEY'S MAGIC KINGDOM: 
             Landscape construction drawings(AutoCAD).
          6)FRONTIERLAND WALKWAY - DISNEY'S MAGIC KINGDOM:
             Conceptual plan illustrations and site inventory.
          7)INTERNATIONAL MARKETING, SOUTH AMERICA:
             Successfully networked and established leads for prospective 
             projects including an amusement park, urban/river walk park and 
             luxury subdivision.   
                
          INDEPENDENT DESIGN WORK, Winter Park, Fla.
          Landscape Designer and Owner
          1988-1989, 1992-1994, 1996
          Established and implemented landscape design business. Accountable 
          and responsible for the management and smooth operation of a 
          company. List of designs furnished on request.
          
          JOE KNIGHT & ASSOC. LANDSCAPE, Winter Park, Fla. 
          Landscape Draftsman, 1989
          Prepared landscape construction drawings for Landscape Architects.
          
          OYLER BROTHERS LANDSCAPE COMPANY, Orlando, Fla.
          Landscape Draftsman/Installation
          1985 - 1986, 1988(Internship)
          Performed duties of draftsman directly under landscape architect. 
          Aided in developing design for residences.  
            
          J&W LANDSCAPE COMPANY, Winter Park, Fla.
          Landscape Installation/Nursery, 1984
          Responsible for landscape installation for residential and 
          commercial clients. Accountable for nursery maintenance.
          
          CLIFFORD H. WARRINER, AIA, Maitland, Fla.
          Architectural Draftsman, 1983
          Responsible for construction rendering and drafting of plans and 
          details.









From art@morgan.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:31 EST 1996
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From: art@morgan.com (Art Freeman)
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Subject: interior lighting catalogs
Date: 9 Dec 1996 18:23:17 +0900
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I'm looking for modern interior lighting catalogs (preferrably from the US).  
Unfortunately, I can not seem to find what I'm looking for in Tokyo.  I really
think that lighting much like shoes is controlled by cartells who fix the price.
I typically find the lighting fixtures very expensive with nominal quality and 
limited design.  For instance, I looking for free standing modern looking lamps.  
Suggestions/advise would be very much appreciated.


Regards,


Art


-- 
| Art Freeman                    Phone: 03-5424-4436            |
|                                FAX:   03-5424-4399            |
| Morgan Stanley Japan Ltd.      E-mail: <art@morgan.com>       |
| Tokyo, Japan                                                  |


From 73744.3656@CompuServe.COM Fri Dec 13 11:40:32 EST 1996
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From: Chip Ridout <73744.3656@CompuServe.COM>
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I have over Fifty plans ranging from 2000 to 8000 sf mostly 
Transitional and Traditional Colonial. The plans have been 
permitted, built and lived in. Not to say you might not have to 
edit them to fit your local standards. But, I did say in 
cadd...Enen if you want to just fool around with them on the 
computer. These are not just brochures although I have them done 
also...just lacking your logo...E-Mail me at Ridouts@usa.net if 
you have any intrest in this..

Thanks
Chip Ridout
River City Design Co.

-- 


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From nimud@lvnexus.net Fri Dec 13 11:40:33 EST 1996
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From: nimud@lvnexus.net (Harris Lowenhaupt)
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Subject: Re: Needed: Proven Rammed/Compacted Earth Technology
Date: 9 Dec 1996 19:29:38 GMT
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In article <tsirlr-0812961304560001@blv-pm104-ip24.halcyon.com>,
tsirlr@halcyon.com (TSI) wrote:

>We have overseas partners who are in the market for proven, ready-to-
>export rammed or compacted earth technology, to be used for low cost and very
>low cost housing projects in South and Southeast Asia, North Africa, and
>Latin America.  May be electrical or gasoline powered. Would appreciate
>any information.

Visit the Cast Earth Web Site (URL below), and then contact the Cast Earth
consortium directly.  This new technology is the sort of thing you are
seeking.

-- 
Harris Lowenhaupt
Cast Earth
Nickel Laterites
<http://www.lvnexus.net/nimud>


From str4552@OBERLIN.EDU Fri Dec 13 11:40:34 EST 1996
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From: Toby Reiter <str4552@OBERLIN.EDU>
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On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Sam wrote:

> Greetings.
> 
> I am currently doing some studies on natural ventilation. I need to
> know how much wind will be available for natural ventilation in a
> house if there is a building standing right in front of the house.
> Parameters involved will be the height of the blocking building and
> the gap between the building and the house.
> 
> Please inform me if anybody in this part of the universe is doing
> similar job or perhaps somebody had already done it?

I don't know how relevant this may be, (I'm not really knowledgeable at 
all about architecture in any way) but seeing as how one building 
may block, to an extent, the availability of wind to the one you are 
currently building, why don't you look into creating natural convection 
flows in your building from all sides.  Not only will this allow for 
cooling breezes within the home, it will also help flush hot air up 
and out of the building.

Just a thought.....

Toby Reiter


From cpierce@1stnet.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:35 EST 1996
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From: "Chad P. Pierce" <cpierce@1stnet.com>
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I posted a MMF letter recently and I can tell you that the mail started
to roll in. Not from the post office but from other online users.  It
did take long to realize that people don't appreciate chain letters and
I receive email everyday from pissed off people. So I want to apologize
to the internet community for posting a letter before I investigated the
reprocutions.
Thanks
C. Pierce


From lipkk@hk.super.net Fri Dec 13 11:40:36 EST 1996
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From: "K. Li" <lipkk@hk.super.net>
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bean wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for grad schools that offer arhitectural lighting
> programs(Master of Science). So far I only found RPI that offers such a
> program. Can anybody help me what other schools have this program? Thank
> you.

Hello,

The Bartlett School of Architecture,  University College London, UK 
offers a Masters of Science in Light & Lighting.  At the time I was doing 
the course,  (part-time and full-time are available) it focused on 
architectural lighting rather than stage lighting.

Students are mainly from lighting related industry,  interior designer 
and architects.  The course director is David Loe and unfortunately he is 
not on e-mail.

Regards

Kevin Li


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From cowo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:38 EST 1996
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From: bean <cowo@hotmail.com>
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K. Li wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> The Bartlett School of Architecture,  University College London, UK
> offers a Masters of Science in Light & Lighting.  At the time I was doing
> the course,  (part-time and full-time are available) it focused on
> architectural lighting rather than stage lighting.

Sorry, it wasn't clear on my previous posting that I am looking for that
particular program in the USA.  

Anyway, thanks alot for the suggestions:)

Bean


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From: "Michael Lee" <winstock@ccnet.com>
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From srdawson@interlog.com Fri Dec 13 11:40:41 EST 1996
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From: srdawson@interlog.com (Scott Robert Dawson)
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Subject: Re: Needed: Proven Rammed/Compacted Earth Technology
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tsirlr@halcyon.com (TSI) wrote:

>We have overseas partners who are in the market for proven, ready-to-
>export rammed or compacted earth technology, to be used for low cost and very
>low cost housing projects in South and Southeast Asia, North Africa, and
>Latin America.  May be electrical or gasoline powered. Would appreciate
>any information.

Some people I know, Pat and Chuck Potter, are building an
"Earthship" rammed-earth house in northeastern Ontario province,
Canada. This construction uses earth rammed into automobile
tires, which are stacked like bricks and serve to support the
earth as it is compressed into place. This eliminates a
mechanical earth-forming step and allows unskilled labour to
pound the earth into the tires of the walls with sledgehammers.
(Even I was able to do it!) The tires bulge under the ramming and
lock together. The walls are then parged and plastered to give a
smooth adobe-like finish. 

 The walls serve as thermal mass to retain heat or coolness
(depending on climate). The house is designed to be
self-sufficient, treating its own wastes, growing food in the
process, and (optionally) incorporating solar-electric systems. 
The key manufactured items needed are the large sunside windows-
without them the heating and cooling system does not work. 

 The design was developed in a desert climate (dry, with wide
temperature variations), and has been modified by a Toronto
architect to fit the humid continental-interior climate of the
site (lots of rain and snow, with even wider temperature
variations, especially on the colder end of the scale). I believe
there are tropical variants; their design is different. The
"Earthship" was intended to be built of inexpensive components by
mostly unskilled labour.

 The technique was originated by Michael Reynolds of Solar
Survival Architecture (SSA) in Taos, New Mexico state, USA. 

 Check out SSA's Web pages at:
 
        http://www.taosnet.com/earthship/

Here is the source, and contact info.
 
There are also ckent@slip.net's pages at: 
 
        http://www.slip.net/~ckent/earthship/

...and Stuart Simmon's pages at:

        http://www.simwell.com/earthship/index.html
  
Both these pages have many pichtures of finished interiors, as
well as exterior shots of their semi-arid locations. 
 
Lastly, there are my pages at:
 
         http://www.interlog.com/~srdawson/erthship.htm 
 
Like the house, these pages are under construction. I'm
documenting the changes needed for our climate. 
 
I am watching this project with great interest; it is one of the
first ones to be built in our bioregion. If it is successful, I
and a lot of other people who presently cannot afford
"conventional" (read, expensive to buy and operate) North
American housing will move toward this. 
 
I would recommend you speak with the people at SSA; they can be
reached at: 
                            Solar Survival Architecture
                                   P.O Box 1041
                                 Taos NM 87571 USA
                                  +1.505.758.9870
                             earthshp@taos.newmex.com 
 
The builders of the Ontario house can be reached at: 
 
                               Pat and Chuck Potter
                                  PO Box GB344
                                       RR#2
                                  Gilmour Ontario
                                     K0L 1W0
                                     Canada
                                 +1 613 474 0435
                             ppotter@wownet.kosone.com
 
Hope this helps...
                                
 

 




