Subject: Re: Question about smallmouth

From: [email-masked] (Flconnor)
Date: 9 May 1996 05:40:54 -0400

Actually these are two different species.  The smallmouth bass is
_Micropterus_ _dolomieu_.  The redeye bass is _Micropterus_ _coosae_.  The
smallmouth bass  ranges from nothern Alabama and Gerogia, North Carolina
north into Canada and has been stocked elsewhere.  The redeye bass has a
more limited range.  Generally in the southeast, northern Florida, eastern
Alabama, western Gerogia.  Their ranges overlap in Alabama and Georgia.

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From: Sean Clancy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:57:06 -0230

> Alabama, western Gerogia.  Their ranges overlap in Alabama and Georgia.
	However,  In areas where there is overlap there may be hybrids of 
both species.  (Still has to be documented)  There are "red-eyed" M. 
dolomieu in Canada which are sometimes referred to as red-eyes,  and 
the rock-bass (not of the genus Micropterus) sometimes have red-eye.

Hope this helped a bit.

sean

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From: [email-masked] (John D Pruett)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:35:13 GMT

Kevin Fay ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
: trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.

: Regards,

: Kevin Fay

Well, I hope that there is not money on the line, because you will need a 
lawyer to interpret.  Based on the 1989 publishing of "Aftma's Pocket 
Guide to Fishing Lakes & Reservoirs" FIM Publshing, PO Box 197, Phoenix, 
MD 21131, the anatomical features of a smallmouth clearly include a red 
circle around the eye.  This may be interpreted as part of the eye, maybe 
the socket or ...?  The book is black-and-white, but it looks pretty 
clear.  Good luck with this one!  Have you ever caught what people call a 
rock bass?  They are like a hearty perch or something and they have red 
eyes.  

jp

p.s.  Don't ask me where I got the Aftma pocket guide.  All I know is 
that I did not buy it.  ;)

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From: bass@
Date: 9 May 1996 20:03:42 GMT

In <[email-masked]>, Lawrence Taylor <[email-masked]> writes:
>My experience is that the males have the red eye, especially at spawning 
>time. At the same time, the males tend to be olive green, while the 
>females have more pronounced black bars. This comes from three years of 
>filming spawning sequences of smallmouth.
>
>Lawrence
>
>
Hi, I'm certainly not a fisheries biologist, but rather a smallmouth bass angler
for about 5 years. I fish tournaments so I get to keep smallmouth in the live
wells. I now have a boat with pure white livewells where my old boat was
a dark color aluminum livewell. The smallmouth seems to be quite a cameleon
since when put in livewell most have VERY pronounced markings on the body
and gill covers. After some time in the white livewell the marking will have almost
disappeared and the fish takes on a very light shade of olive. Sometimes the same 
thing goes for the eyes. Quite often they are red when freshly caught but after 
being in the livewell (white one, that is) for a while they are dark again. 
The same colouration changes I did not observe when I used the darker livewell. 
They would tend to keep their markings.  Maybe this explains the eye colour. 
We only have smallmouth in our waters and when I have caught red eyed bass
they definitely were smallmouth and their eye colour definitely changed while in my 
livewell.
Regards STG

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From: [email-masked] (DuckHunt)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 03:42:07 GMT

[email-masked] (Kevin Fay) wrote:

>Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
>trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Regards,
>
>Kevin Fay
>

No smallmouth bass have red eyes (unless injured badly).

The fish you are probably referring to is a rock bass, which normally
has a redish eye.  The rock bass is normally less than 1/2 a pound.

DuckHunt

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From: [email-masked] (Lacroix88)
Date: 10 May 1996 20:50:40 -0400

just a side bar......the aftma pocket fishing guide is a great book for
beginning anglers....

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From: [email-masked] (WW FLYFISH)
Date: 11 May 1996 00:05:32 -0400

I've caught many smallmouth with red eyes and just as many with out and
they're
not rock bass.
Karl

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From: Anonymous
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:21:54 GMT

==========Kevin Fay, 5/8/96==========

Regards,

Kevin Fay

They are not smallmouth. We call them "Red-eyes" or "Rock Bass.

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From: [email-masked] (Hector Cruz-Lopez)
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 12:06:49

The smallmoth bass and the red eye bass are two differnt species of the same 
genus (Micropterus).  Both of them ocurr in a few systems in Florida and to my 
knowledge do not hybridize in the wild.

hector "che" cruz-lopez
florida game and fish commission
fisheries genetics research lab
boca raton, fl

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Kevin Fay) writes:
>From: [email-masked] (Kevin Fay)
>Subject: Question about smallmouth
>Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 17:33:08 GMT

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: 12 May 1996 21:28:37 GMT

test

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 13 May 1996 04:36:11 GMT

[email-masked] (DuckHunt) wrote:
>has a redish eye.

Easy now DuckHunt,

Yes, rock bass have red eyes, but catch enough Ontario smallmouth and you 
will see quite a few with distintivly red pigments in their eyes as well. 
I doubt very much that these fish are unique to our province.

Brian Lambie,
Mississauga, Ontario

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From: Rob Hatcher <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:52:27 -0500

> They are not smallmouth. We call them "Red-eyes" or "Rock Bass.

Hmm, the smallie I caught yesterday had red around its eyes, but I have caught 
them in the past that didn't.  Breeding phase?  Specific sex?  Don't know, 
but the fish I caught was a smallmouth, and it had red eyes.  (Maybe it was
just up late...)

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