Subject: Stocking new small mountain pond

From: [email-masked] (Mark Henrichs)
Date: 12 May 1995 16:27:38 GMT

We have just built a small pond (about 70' by 120') by damming up a small 
stream that runs year-around.  The stream comes from runoff and several 
small springs.  The deepest water is about 10' deep near the dam, and 
gradually slopes up to the inlet where the stream falls about a foot to the 
pond surface level.  We live at about 8,400' in the Rocky Mountains.

We would like to stock trout in this pond, and hopefully breed them.  The 
local fishery suggested brown and rainbow, but expected the brown to 
dominate eventually.  However, they were doubtful that we would ever be able 
to have them breed.  The entrance to the pond was made intentionally shallow 
(3 to 12 feet wide, about 20' long, a few inches deep) so we could try 
putting gravel here for breeding.

Is this a futile attempt?  Does anyone have any suggestions about how we 
might try to get trout to breed here?  Would other types of fish do better?

Any suggestions on how we could stock this pond to keep it clear from algae 
and weeds, but in a natural way (no chemicals that would harm the 
environment)?  Are there fish that would co-exist with the trout that would 
help keep down plant overgrowth?

Any suggestions for a good reference book on this topic?

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From: [email-masked]. (Tim Hartzog)
Date: 22 May 1995 15:26:06 GMT

(NOTE: everything cut this time)

Sir,

As you do not know myself or what I do or what my beliefs are,
I do care for your implication that I am trying to kill this news
group. It was not snipping. I was only giving someone who had checked his
facts a bravo. I had read your reply as snipping. You stated, and I quote

>I'm curious.  What impact did building the pond have on the wildlife, 
>plantlife and surroundings of the stream in general below you? Any 
>objections from any landowners?  What larger system did it feed and how 
is
>it going to affect it?

. He replied with a FULL reply and not a simple "YES". As I re-read this 
I now see that it was not snipping, merely a question. If I offened you 
I am sorry but I do not like being slandered by someone I do not even 
know. I am not looking for a flame war and will not respond to any flame 
bait. As for my leaving the part in about the army corp. of Eng. I merely 
cut part of the text so as not to repost the whole article. 

>You are not exactly overflowing with 
>activity to the point that you can afford to be quite as elitist as you
>and one or two others would like to be.  The majority on here are not
>only very intelligent, informed individuals; they are quite willing to
discuss issues and share that information.

When did posting lots make people authorities? Did I say anything that 
was elitist? I merely gave someone a bravo for covering all the bases, 
same as you did in the first part of your reply to my post. I am here out 
of curiosity, if this is the response that new people get I can see why 
there are only 25 poeple posting.

Tim
-- 
Opinions are mine and not the people who pay for
my time and existence on this earth.

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From: [email-masked] (Hank Roberts)
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:19:26 GMT

I've got four culverts through which about 80-100 acres of high
watershed runoff gets consolidaed -- in starting to try to revegetate,
we're considering small impoundments so as to be able to water into
the dry summertime here (N. Ca. coast range).

This offers the possibility, perhaps, of measuring silt load, capturing
silt below the culverts and trying to spread the water out over the
hillside.

Too remote for a concrete truck; too steep for a dirt dam; too
many thunderstorms to under-design anything else it'll wash out.

Any thoughts welcome.  So far we've just been watching and are
going to set up photo transect posts soon, so we can reconsider over time.

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From: [email-masked]. (Tim Hartzog)
Date: 24 May 1995 15:38:15 GMT

Thank you Dan for your apology, accepted and done! :)

I was wondering if Mark would mind answering a few questions,
1> Are you stocking the pond/lake/body of water? If so with what?
2> Do you have to worry about draw down in the spring, what about low 
water in the summer? Is the water line static or is it lowered and raised 
with the flow of water?
3> Which is Better? (anyone who can answer is great!)
4> Do you have to worry about ice? If so does that influence what kind of 
fish should go in there?

I am a self confessed computer/business nerd and have only the talks with 
a friend of mine who has a degree in Marine Biology to prompt these 
questions and I don't even fish! Please be gentle, (G).

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From: [email-masked] (DLRapp)
Date: 23 May 1995 19:39:22 GMT

OK, OK, we were both a little touchy.  You stated "BRAVO!!!! Way to cover 
all your bases against just this sort of thing!".  It was a little 
sarcastic; but then so am I. I'll own up to the fact that I overreacted.  
I've noticed a (very) few respondents in here that take offense at the 
"unwashed masses" commenting in this group and find it irritating.  I
included you as one of them after your comment.  Sorry about that.  As far
as slander, hardly.  I will stand by the fact that I think this forum 
needs to develope a more open atmosphere for discussion; dissent and
comments on the dissent.  A number of the people commenting on here have
advanced education in some specialized areas.  Being questioned in an
area of expertise can be irritating.  So can seemingly "stupid questions".

Anyway, I asked the original question only because I wanted to know the
answer.  You took it wrong and reacted accordingly.  I then overreacted 
and acted the same as those I find so irritating.  Basically, we both
were a bit foolish.  I accept your apology and extend mine in return.  Next
time, maybe we can find something really worthy of our somewhat dubious
talents.<grin>  Anyway, glad to have another curious non-expert on the
group.  Definitely quite a bit of good information here.

Dan

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From: [email-masked] (Steve Eliason)
Date: 24 May 1995 23:27:40 GMT

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maybe we can find something really worthy of our somewhat dubious
>group.  Definitely quite a bit of good information here.

  I hope that no one will be intimidated from posting thier questions, 
even a "stupid" question in some peoples minds are relevant to many.  As
you know fisheries is an ongoing field of research, we'll never know it
all. Hell, I ask "stupid" questions every day, and every once in a while 
I find out something new. Works for me, even if its for laughs.

-Steve-