From stu@wpo.nerc.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:33:23 EDT 1995
Article: 191 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: stu@wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Stu Clough)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Pond Fertilization Info?
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 13:21:39
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>>
>>--
>>I'm looking for information about how much fertilizer per acre to use
>>in a small pond to help control the existing moss.  Currently, the
>>water is very clear, and a large build up of moss covers the bottom
>>and the bank edges.  Any info is appreciated...
>>
>You want to put fertilizer in a pond to reduce moss biomass?  Fertilizer?
>Are you sure you mean fertilizer?  You know that stuff with nitrates,
>phosphates, etc?  I could be mistaken but I thought fertilizer helped floral
>growth, and was not used to control biomass. 

I think I understand!!  The basic principle is to increase the amount of 
algae, in turn increasing the turbidity, and therefore the amount of light 
penetrating to the bottom, thus controlling the existing moss.  Plant biomass 
will increase, moss biomass will decrease.  I know of a pond where this has 
been tried, and have some data (somewhere!!) on dosage levels.  The 
fertilisation was a complete success, turning a clear pond in which the few 
stunted fish present were cagey and difficult to catch, into a good, well 
stocked fishery, with fish of good average size.

If I can find the figures I'll post them under pond fertilisation dosage 
levels (or similar)

Stu.
 


From v2sw002@owgmail.endicott.ibm.com Sun May 14 13:33:58 EDT 1995
Article: 186 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: v2sw002@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com (Erwin R. Williamson)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Aquariums and Tropical Fish
Date: 5 May 1995 18:29:50 GMT
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Hello All!  I scanned the newsgroups hoping to find something on
aquarium fish, but this group is the closest thing to it I could 
find.  Any suggestions or maybe a pointer to a web site?  I'm sure
there are many Aquarium enthusiasts out there and I'm surprised 
that there isn't a newsgroup out there already!

Hank


From wyee@sedona.intel.com Sun May 14 13:33:59 EDT 1995
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From: wyee@sedona.intel.com (Wai Fai Yee -FT-~)
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Subject: Shrimp Breeding
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Hello,

	Anyone here has information or can point me to information regarding
shrimp breeding?. Thanks you very much


PS... Yes, I am a circuit designer - but I also like shrimp. I checked a week
      ago and no one has objected to me posting shrimp breeding questions here.

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From pcummins@clark.net Sun May 14 13:34:00 EDT 1995
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From: pcummins@clark.net (Michelle Cummins)
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Subject: MD Aquaculturists/Farmers
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Anyone in the state of Maryland who is interested in aquaculture might 
like a few numbers to get started.

Aquaculture Office MD AG Dept - Brad Powers, Roy Castle 410 841-5724

MD Aquaculture Association (Michelle Powell Cummins) 255-4501 for dates 
of next meetings or President Tom Hopkins (301) 353-0363

Aquaculture Info Center (Ag Library) College Park  504-5704 (301)

There is also an Aquaculture Advisory Committee Meeting on May 11 which 
is a group of many involved in Aquaculture including agency people and 
buyers.  The meeting will be held at the Dept of Ag building 7pm.

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From jcook@access5.digex.net Sun May 14 13:34:00 EDT 1995
Article: 189 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: jcook@access5.digex.net (Jeff Cook)
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Subject: Catch & Release
Date: 7 May 1995 00:40:30 -0400
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Yes, this message really involves fisheries...

I just came back to fishing after 20+ years, a friend is getting me into 
fly-fishing. I've just read an article in FLY ROD & REEL MAGAZINE (April 
95) discouraging catch & release fishing. The reasoning is that when an area 
has a kill-limit for a particluar species, it's because they really do want 
to thin out that part of the population...and to return all fish to the 
water is pretty much irresponsible. If you read the article, you'll see I'm 
not overstating the author's opinion.

Is there any sense among the bio-management specialists here that this 
is an appropriate attitude? The author names shifting balances in 
species populations and reproductive ages, disease, additive vs. 
compensatory mortality, etc. The title of the article is 'Killing Your 
Share' and states..."Take a look at the angling regulations on the waters 
you fish, think through what they are apparently trying to achieve and, 
if you're satisfied that the goals are being reached, go ahead and kill 
accordingly."

Catch & Release is a new concept to me (like I said, it HAS been 20 years!), 
but one that I happily practice. But I would appreciate any comments from 
the people who plan out these things. Thanks.

Jeff Cook



From laurence@cco.caltech.edu Sun May 14 13:34:01 EDT 1995
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From: laurence@cco.caltech.edu (Dustin Laurence)
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Subject: Re: Aquariums and Tropical Fish
Date: 7 May 1995 07:53:09 GMT
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Peter Unmack <ez050581@peseta.ucdavis.edu> writes:

>There are at least three aquarium groups

>alt.aquaria, sci.aquaria, rec.aquaria.  There is also a plants one and 
>probably a marine one to.

There are indeed rec., alt., and sci.aquaria groups.  They are largely
redundant for historical reasons, but rec receives the best
propagation and will be the basis for creating subgroups in the
future.  The other two groups are obsolete except that the peculiar
history of the groups has resulted in some sites receiving only one of
the three groups, so that none can be removed at this time.

There is no group for planted aquaria that I am aware of; if such a
newsgroups exists as the current poster of the aquaria faq I should
probably be made aware of it.  There is no specifically marine group
(yet).

There is a rec.ponds group for pondkeepers, and a (poorly propagated)
alt.aquaria.killies for killifish fanciers.

That is all that comes to mind at the moment.

Dustin

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From stu@wpo.nerc.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:34:02 EDT 1995
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From: stu@wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Stu Clough)
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Subject: Re: Pond Fertilization Info?
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 13:21:39
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>>
>>--
>>I'm looking for information about how much fertilizer per acre to use
>>in a small pond to help control the existing moss.  Currently, the
>>water is very clear, and a large build up of moss covers the bottom
>>and the bank edges.  Any info is appreciated...
>>
>You want to put fertilizer in a pond to reduce moss biomass?  Fertilizer?
>Are you sure you mean fertilizer?  You know that stuff with nitrates,
>phosphates, etc?  I could be mistaken but I thought fertilizer helped floral
>growth, and was not used to control biomass. 

I think I understand!!  The basic principle is to increase the amount of 
algae, in turn increasing the turbidity, and therefore the amount of light 
penetrating to the bottom, thus controlling the existing moss.  Plant biomass 
will increase, moss biomass will decrease.  I know of a pond where this has 
been tried, and have some data (somewhere!!) on dosage levels.  The 
fertilisation was a complete success, turning a clear pond in which the few 
stunted fish present were cagey and difficult to catch, into a good, well 
stocked fishery, with fish of good average size.

If I can find the figures I'll post them under pond fertilisation dosage 
levels (or similar)

Stu.
 


From CJMOSE@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:03 EDT 1995
Article: 192 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: CJMOSE@delphi.com
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Subject: Catch & Release
Date: 9 May 1995 03:18:28 GMT
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Quoting jcook from a message in sci.bio.fisheries
 jc: Path:
 jc:news1.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!uunet!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!d
 jc:igex.net!not-for-mail From: jcook@access5.digex.net (Jeff Cook)
 jc:Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries Subject: Catch & Release
 jc: Date: 7 May 1995 00:40:30 -0400
 jc: Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
 jc: Lines: 25
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 jc: NNTP-Posting-Host: access5.digex.net
 jc: Yes, this message really involves fisheries...
 jc: I just came back to fishing after 20+ years, a friend is getting me
 jc:into fly-fishing. I've just read an article in FLY ROD & REEL MAGAZINE
 jc:(April 95) discouraging catch & release fishing.
            <<<deletions>>>
 jc:The title of the article is 'Killing Your
 jc: Share' and states..."Take a look at the angling regulations on the
 jc:waters you fish, think through what they are apparently trying to
 jc:achieve and, if you're satisfied that the goals are being reached, go
 jc:ahead and kill accordingly."
            <<<deletions>>>
>From  what I understand, the issue is primarily one of "quality" versus
quantity from the sportfisher's perspective. Populations managed with a
simple size minimum for harvest develop a paucity of older, larger fish over
the size limit. The fishing pressure "crops down" the population to that
size year after year, and few fish survive into the larger size category.
(And the ones that do have learned to avoid fishing lures.)

To promote more larger fish in a population, managers have experimented with
"slot-limits," which prohibit keeping fish within a certain range, i.e.,
between 11 and 15 in. for largemouth bass. They hope that the large
population of 10-11 in bass will be thinned by fishing pressure, which will
leave the larger bass and also give them more of the food forage base to
grow even larger. Unfortunately, many places that have tried slot limits
have found that anglers release bass regardless of size. Many slot limits
turn out in practice to be essentially catch and release (except for fish
larger than the upper slot, the trophy fish). The goal of thinning the
overabundant smaller fish often goes unfulfilled.

But many argue that this is not all bad, especially anglers who like to
catch a lot of fish and don't object that they are not very large. With a
pure catch and release situation you do get a lot of fish that do not grow
to their full potential, but still may be a lot of fun to catch.

So, in short, if the regs say you can take fish, take em if you want em to
eat. You'll have to decide for yourself whether you want quantity of
"quality" and whether you want to clean em!

Charles Moseley
cjmose@delphi.com

Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From CJMOSE@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:04 EDT 1995
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Subject: smallmouth x largemouth hybrid
Date: 9 May 1995 03:18:48 GMT
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 wp: If this is the research I am thinking of it would have been
 wp: conducted about 10 years ago and was nicknamed the Mean Mouth Bass. The
 wp: feelings of the reaearcher at that time were that the fish was so
 wp: aggressive that it would be fished out if not released at a high
 wp: percentage and also a large portion of the fry died due to ingesting
 wp: prey too large to swallow.

I've taken the excellent, if shortsighted, advice of an e-mail respondent
and checked the original publication.  The article is "Bass Genetics as
Applied to Culture and Management" by William F. Childers in Black Bass
Biology and Management edited by Henry Clepper and published by the Sport
Fishing Institute, Washington, D.C. in 1975.

In his article, Childers describes the extraordinarily agressive behavior of
hatchery-produced hybrids (smallmouth males crossed with largemouth female)
that were kept in ponds. They routinely bit swimmers. This was annoying when
they were small but as they grew to about a pound were able to "lacerate the
skin." He recounts and attack upon a female swimmer who was wearing a
brightly colored swimsuit. Fish jumped from the water and struck her in the
head. He also recounts an incident in which a dog was attacked by these
fish. They jumped from the water and smashed into the dog. He also recounts
trying to inspect a nest and being unable to chase a guarding male away. He
thrashed at the fish with the tip of his fishing rod and the fish responded
by biting his legs.

I have to admit that I found this report to be fascinating. It was a little
disconcerting to find that, instead of seeing this as a possible threat to
the well being of the farm-pond-swimming public, Childers wondered whether
this was the birth of an extraordinary sport fish!

So, I did a little more research to see if any fishery biologist had been
intrigued by this behavior and what it might mean in the larger context of
things. Well, I have been disappointed in the curiosity of fishery
biologists. After all, this was 20 years ago! This was no tabloid report of
KILLER FISH, but a well-respected researher with some pretty provocative
personal esperience.

All I could find in the literature was a report by a state agency
evaluating the sportfish potential of the hybrid. They concluded that it
wasn't a decidedly better sport fish. But what AMAZED me was that, although
they noted the Childers report of agressiveness in their introduction, they
never addressed the question of agressive behavior in the report. Didn't
they have any curiosity about these fish? Did anybody get in the water to
see if what Childers reported was the case? You couldn't find out from the
report? Is this what science is all about?

Charles Moseley
cjmose@delphi.com

Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us Sun May 14 13:34:05 EDT 1995
Article: 194 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Lord Necron)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Water Plants in ponds and their benifits.
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A mistake many fishfarmers make here in the South  is to delete and hold 
back the growth of aquatic plants.what they prefer is an empty hole of 
water with a thousand or so catfish,bream,bass,ect.
They never realise the potential for growth these fish have if their 
inviroment contains plant life.Plant life sustains crayfish,freshwater 
shrimp,snails,all contributing to the growth of these fish.
Back in april I went to an old Oxe bow of the Savannah River that was 
surrounded by old cypress trees and multitude of plant life in the water.
On that day I caught the biggest damn perch I have ever laid eyes on .
You could allmost put your thumb in his mouth,he was so large.I also 
caught bass and crappie ( monster size) all on the same little lure.
What I learned that day was that if you wanted pond fish to reach their 
potential,plant life was a must.If you use lillies that have the pink 
blooms you can easily sell the offspring for 10-20.00 each.


From necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us Sun May 14 13:34:05 EDT 1995
Article: 195 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Lord Necron)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: color inhancement of red tiger oscars
Date: 7 May 1995 20:19:39 -0000
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I have a large breeding pair of red tiger oscars that are a breeding 
pair.
I presently have three seperate spawns of fish plus one new spawn of 
eggs.
My thirty day old fry reached selling size at about an inch but no red 
pigmentation like mon and dad.I have looked for answers from everywhere 
short of calling Singapore (where babies are farmed and allready are red 
by the time they are quarter size.) I have been told that hormones are 
used on the fish in their early stages to bring out the red coloration.
Surely such men who post from such lofty hieghts such as Woods hole will 
have such elemental knowledge and will be of service.
any comments will be apreciated.
Also I have a group of Australian Red claw crayfish that I am going to 
breed in the future. and would like info on this species.


From elassoma@cris.com Sun May 14 13:34:06 EDT 1995
Article: 196 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: elassoma@cris.com
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.bio.fisheries,soc.culture.bolivia,soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.colombia,soc.culture.venezuela
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I am collecting any information that I can find on local customs, ceremony, 
and lore and legend that surround the carnivorous, South American family of 
fish (Serrasalmidae), that includes the Piranha.

I am compiling this information for a book that I am writing on Piranha and
their relatives.

I could even use some of those special local recipes for cooking these fine 
fish!

Any comment or reply is appreciated.  Email is preferred.


+---------------------------------------------------------+

Rodney W. Harper
Writer, Scientist, Philosopher, and connoisseur of exquisite fast foods.
Grand Bay, Alabama
Elassoma@cris.com
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From burrows@bcu.ubc.ca Sun May 14 13:34:07 EDT 1995
Article: 197 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: burrows@bcu.ubc.ca (Jeff Burrows)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: color inhancement of red tiger oscars
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In article <TaZq5c1w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us>,
Lord Necron <necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us> wrote:
>I have a large breeding pair of red tiger oscars that are a breeding 
>pair.
...
>any comments will be apreciated.

Maybe try:
alt.aquaria
rec.aquaria
sci.aquaria
	-Jeff.


From birdie@netcom.com Sun May 14 13:34:08 EDT 1995
Article: 198 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Subject: Squaw fish invasion
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Someone introduced Squaw fish into the Eel River in Northern California. 
They are not native and they are direct conflicyt with the Salmon 
population as they eat baby Salmon. The Salmon population is near 
extinction due to logging, overfishing, water diversion, and...the Squaw
fish.

Any ideas on how to eradicate the non-native Squaw Fish and/or
control them? Is there any way to place sterilized stock in with the 
others to fool them into thinking they are breeding when all eggs will be 
in fact infertile?

Poison has been suggested and is NOT an option, and the latest is a 
campaign to get people out to fish for them. A contest for whoever 
catches the most might work out well, and, it would be nice to find a way to
catch them in big sweeps, but, I am afraid it will take more than that...

Any ideas?


-- 
"A few more trips around the sun & my face will look like a fault map!" 
                                                  
                                                  - birdie@netcom.com


From luc@aim.unizh.ch Sun May 14 13:34:09 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Piranha Lore Wanted
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elassoma@cris.com wrote:


> I am collecting any information that I can find on local customs, ceremony, 
> and lore and legend that surround the carnivorous, South American family of 
> fish (Serrasalmidae), that includes the Piranha.

Famous is the "sopa de piranha", a soup that is supposed to give new 
strenghs to "tired" men ...
When we go to the Pantanal, and we have no better fish, we frie the 
piranha. You just have to cut up the whole side of the fish as many times 
as possible, so you break up the "spines" (?). Then it's even a delicious 
fish ...

> I am compiling this information for a book that I am writing on Piranha and
> their relatives.

> I could even use some of those special local recipes for cooking these fine 
> fish!

> Any comment or reply is appreciated.  Email is preferred.


> +---------------------------------------------------------+

> Rodney W. Harper
> Writer, Scientist, Philosopher, and connoisseur of exquisite fast foods.
> Grand Bay, Alabama
> Elassoma@cris.com
> +---------------------------------------------------------+



From san@nexuseur.demon.co.uk Sun May 14 13:34:10 EDT 1995
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From: san@nexuseur.demon.co.uk (San Takashima)
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Subject: Horseshoe Crab
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Dear sirs,
I'm looking for 2 persons named
C.N. Shoester (or may spell Schuster?) from William & Mary College
M. Orton from Fordham College(?)

They study about Horseshoe Crab.
Does anyone know about these people pr some people who study Horseshoe
Crab (Limulus)?

San Takashima
san@nexnet.com


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Dear sirs,
I'm looking for 2 persons named
C.N. Shoester (or may spell Schuster?) from William & Mary College
M. Orton from Fordham College(?)

They study about Horseshoe Crab.
Does anyone know about these people pr some people who study Horseshoe
Crab (Limulus)?

San Takashima
san@nexnet.com


From the_doctor@netins.net Sun May 14 13:34:11 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: PC FISHelp info on the Web
Date: 10 May 1995 19:50:53 GMT
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In article <3onub6$lch@panix.com>, das@panix.com (David Staschover) writes:
>Hello,
>
>Please excuse this online ad, but there is a website which contains
>information and a demo of a software program geared specifically for
>commercial fishing. 
>
>The URL is http://www.webscope.com/fishelp/info.html
>
>

I downloaded it but from what i can tell its only good for fishing ships.

		The_Doctor@Netins.Net 



From gcouger@olesun.agen.okstate.edu Sun May 14 13:34:12 EDT 1995
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From: gcouger@jsun.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger)
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Subject: Re: Pond Fertilization Info?
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In article <3oc9s1$s44@baygull.rtd.com>,
Robert Dejournett <hermes@rtd.com> wrote:
>In article <3oamqu$t4p@wrdis02.robins.af.mil>,
>GS-334-12 Danny Churchwell <dchurchw@robins.af.mil> wrote:
>>I'm looking for information about how much fertilizer per acre to use
>>in a small pond to help control the existing moss.  Currently, the
>>water is very clear, and a large build up of moss covers the bottom
>>and the bank edges.  Any info is appreciated...
>>
>You want to put fertilizer in a pond to reduce moss biomass?  Fertilizer?
>Are you sure you mean fertilizer?  You know that stuff with nitrates,
>phosphates, etc?  I could be mistaken but I thought fertilizer helped floral
>growth, and was not used to control biomass.  Anyways how eutrophic is your
>pond?  How much phosphates etc does it have?  Phosphate content is an 
>indication of how 'rich' a pond is, if there is too much (i.e. because of
>external pollution) there tends to be problems with algae, they are in
>very high numbers and cause all sorts of problems.  

Proper fertilization will allow alge to grow in the water greatly reducing
the clarity which will block the sunlight from the bottom decreasing the
depth that the weed can grow in. 

As I recall you should only be able to see a tin can lid at 12 to 14 inches
of depth of a properly fertilized pond. Contact your local extension agent
for more up to date info.

In my experiance ectreemly clear water has a high mineral or salt content
causing the silt to fall out much faster than in soft water. Be careful
adding fertilizer particularly in hot months it can use up all the 02
in the water.

Gordon

                            Gordon Couger                            
                            Biosystems & Agricultural Engineering              
                            Oklahoma State University                         
                            114 Ag Hall, Stillwater, OK  74074                 
gcouger@agen.okstate.edu 405-744-9763 day 624-2855 evenings 
    I do not speak for my employer


From das@panix.com Sun May 14 13:34:13 EDT 1995
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From: das@panix.com (David Staschover)
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Hello,

Please excuse this online ad, but there is a website which contains
information and a demo of a software program geared specifically for
commercial fishing. 

The URL is http://www.webscope.com/fishelp/info.html

David Staschover
das@panix.com



From dfready@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:14 EDT 1995
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From: dfready@delphi.com (Douglas Ready)
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Here's a popular saying about piranhas in the Northeast ( maybe elsewhere,
too ):

"Where there are piranhas, the alligator swims on his back"  

I have never actually observed this behavior, but I have been assured that
if you see alligators swimming on their backs, you should stay out of the
water.  


One more:  In some parts of Brasil the term "piranha" is applied to certain
           women of ill repute.
 

                           Regards,
                                  Douglas Ready



From scaldwell@dow.com Sun May 14 13:34:15 EDT 1995
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In article <3ohivu$a43@access5.digex.net>, jcook@access5.digex.net (Jeff Cook) writes:
Jeff Cook wrote:
snip--snip
>The reasoning is that when an area 
>has a kill-limit for a particluar species, it's because they really do want 
>to thin out that part of the population...and to return all fish to the 
>water is pretty much irresponsible. If you read the article, you'll see I'm 
>not overstating the author's opinion.
>
>Is there any sense among the bio-management specialists here that this 
>is an appropriate attitude? The author names shifting balances in 
>species populations and reproductive ages, disease, additive vs. 
>compensatory mortality, etc. 
snip--snip
>Jeff Cook
>
Well, a long time ago I had an undergraduate zoology project that involved 
population biology. I was supposed to write a simple computer model based on
different literature references that took into account food supply and
predator population. The target species was deer and the predator was cougar,
as well as I can remember (since 1975). The approach was very simplistic, but
I can tell you it was an eye-opener to me. With out predation, the population
 vs time graph tended to take on a very exaggerated saw tooth patten due to 
over population followed by famine and collapse of the deer population. It
really resembled the population response seen in the tragic African fammines.
It did not address the issues of size or permanent damage to the eco system. 

My experience with farm ponds has mirrored
the model pretty well, with a much more complex response. When predators were
introduced, the population smoothed out, and the population of deer and cougar
followed a staggered wave pattern. The assumptions of the model did not address
the disappearence of the deer from over predation. 

As a consequence, I have taught my children catch-and-kill small sunfish in 
ponds and lakes. Over population has been the bane of almost all good ponds
and lakes I have fished. It is necessary to consider the eco system and the 
species when making a decision, but I generally favor releasing the large fish
(the predators) and killing the small fish, especially where there is low
fishing pressure.

My brother is an experienced fisheries scientist (PhD) and has a similar
view. It is not just a simple question with a simple answer, contrary to 
what bureaucrats and lawmakers may think. If you are fishing and catching 
a *lot* of small fish (relative), think about killing rather than releasing,
if the law allows it. 

Steve C


From CJMOSE@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:15 EDT 1995
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I've missed a lot of the exchange about the buyout of the yellowfin
commercial take off of Virginia Beach and I'd like to ask the group's
indulgence for a few questions that I have that might be replowing old
ground. I'll format this post as statements and questions.

As far as I know the issue of allocation of yellowfin tuna between 3 and 200
miles off the coast is the responsibility of the Secretary of Commerce (and
thus the NMFS). They can allocate the catch permited by ICCAT. So, is this
"agreement" a U.S. allocation decision, based upon a "private" agreement?

If this is so, will such an allocation agreement be binding upon commercial
fishers other than the ones involved in last years take off Virginia?

The money amount that has been mentioned--$350,000. Who is to receive that
amount. Each fishing boat? Any boat that expresses an interest in fishing
those waters? Some fund? I'd like some details.

What is the involvement of the Mid-Atlantic Fisheries Management Council?

Who negotiated this deal?

What is the authority for requiring a "stamp" for recreational fishers?

How are the monies to be transferred between the "public" (stamp purchasers)
and the "buyoutees" (the commercials, however many they are)? Who
distributes it and how?

Is this the kind of precedent that we want to establish for allocation
decisions? Some would say, YES, it's the marketplace at work. Others would
say it's blackmail at work, under government approval.

Is this a version of the government (the public) (recreational fishers)
paying the commercials for "not fishing"?

This whole deal seem so bizarre to me. I'd like to get some detailed
responses (or at least some pointers to where I could find out, since I know
there has been a lot of discussion about this prior to my involvement).
Thanks again. This has been an incredibly productive thread.

Charles Moseley
cjmose@delphi.com

Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From georgen@agora.rdrop.com Sun May 14 13:34:16 EDT 1995
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Kathleen Ostridge (birdie@netcom.com) wrote:

: Someone introduced Squaw fish into the Eel River in Northern California. 
: They are not native and they are direct conflicyt with the Salmon 
: population as they eat baby Salmon. The Salmon population is near 
: extinction due to logging, overfishing, water diversion, and...the Squaw
: fish.

: Any ideas on how to eradicate the non-native Squaw Fish and/or
: control them? Is there any way to place sterilized stock in with the 
: others to fool them into thinking they are breeding when all eggs will be 
: in fact infertile?

: Poison has been suggested and is NOT an option, and the latest is a 
: campaign to get people out to fish for them. A contest for whoever 
: catches the most might work out well, and, it would be nice to find a way to
: catch them in big sweeps, but, I am afraid it will take more than that...

: Any ideas?

On the Columbia River they offer a bounty of $3.00 for each squawfish 
over 10 inches or some length like that.  Seems to have dramatically 
reduced the spawning population!  

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over
 	if you just sit there."
						--Will Rogers

	George F. Nandor		georgen@agora.rdrop.com
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From CJMOSE@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:17 EDT 1995
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I've missed a lot of the exchange about the buyout of the yellowfin
commercial take off of Virginia Beach and I'd like to ask the group's
indulgence for a few questions that I have that might be replowing old
ground. I'll format this post as statements and questions.

As far as I know the issue of allocation of yellowfin tuna between 3 and 200
miles off the coast is the responsibility of the Secretary of Commerce (and
thus the NMFS). They can allocate the catch permited by ICCAT. So, is this
"agreement" a U.S. allocation decision, based upon a "private" agreement?

If this is so, will such an allocation agreement be binding upon commercial
fishers other than the ones involved in last years take off Virginia?

The money amount that has been mentioned--$350,000. Who is to receive that
amount. Each fishing boat? Any boat that expresses an interest in fishing
those waters? Some fund? I'd like some details.

What is the involvement of the Mid-Atlantic Fisheries Management Council?

Who negotiated this deal?

What is the authority for requiring a "stamp" for recreational fishers?

How are the monies to be transferred between the "public" (stamp purchasers)
and the "buyoutees" (the commercials, however many they are)? Who
distributes it and how?

Is this the kind of precedent that we want to establish for allocation
decisions? Some would say, YES, it's the marketplace at work. Others would
say it's blackmail at work, under government approval.

Is this a version of the government (the public) (recreational fishers)
paying the commercials for "not fishing"?

This whole deal seem so bizarre to me. I'd like to get some detailed
responses (or at least some pointers to where I could find out, since I know
there has been a lot of discussion about this prior to my involvement).
Thanks again. This has been an incredibly productive thread.

Charles Moseley
cjmose@delphi.com

Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From mxw@dmu.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:34:18 EDT 1995
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From: mxw@dmu.ac.uk (Maxine Wesley)
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At last a group for people with an interest in fisheries but may I add
that I hope it evolves into being a usefull forum for discussing all
aspects of the fishing industry and not into yet another 
alt.fish.tank.my.guppie.has.white.spot one. As previously posted there 
are groups already for that sort of talk. 

I am a graduate (B.Sc in Fishery Studies, 1988) of the Humberside College of 
Higher Education, Hull, UK (now the University Of Humberside) who after 
an initial effort to find a job related to my degree has settled down in 
Computing (firstly support, now programming).

I maintain my interest in the subject of fisheries and am curently hoping 
that it will be possible to utilise the computing knowledge I have gained 
in a fishery related post (I dream a lot too!!).

Anyway.. since it is a small group currently howzabout some of you saying 
why you have an interest in this group.. (and if you know of any jobs 
going you can always e-mail me...) 


As far as the Canada/Spain argument went I must say that I supported the 
efforts of the Canadians in this.. our own government penalises it's own 
fishermen here but Spain seem to support theirs by not policing the 
industry to such a rigid extent.. in which case pressure should be 
brought upon all those involved in a fishery to conform to it's rules.. 
else if we are not going to penalise the Spanish for their actions then 
we shouldn't be so strict with our own people.  



Cheerio for now



Maxine


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From: jjoy@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Jonathan B. Joy)
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Newfoundland, Canada

Arctic char fry and fingerlings for sale

Contact: Graham Bailey  phone: 709 464 3555


From markh@mcdata.com Sun May 14 13:34:19 EDT 1995
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From: markh@mcdata.com (Mark Henrichs)
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We have just built a small pond (about 70' by 120') by damming up a small 
stream that runs year-around.  The stream comes from runoff and several 
small springs.  The deepest water is about 10' deep near the dam, and 
gradually slopes up to the inlet where the stream falls about a foot to the 
pond surface level.  We live at about 8,400' in the Rocky Mountains.

We would like to stock trout in this pond, and hopefully breed them.  The 
local fishery suggested brown and rainbow, but expected the brown to 
dominate eventually.  However, they were doubtful that we would ever be able 
to have them breed.  The entrance to the pond was made intentionally shallow 
(3 to 12 feet wide, about 20' long, a few inches deep) so we could try 
putting gravel here for breeding.

Is this a futile attempt?  Does anyone have any suggestions about how we 
might try to get trout to breed here?  Would other types of fish do better?

Any suggestions on how we could stock this pond to keep it clear from algae 
and weeds, but in a natural way (no chemicals that would harm the 
environment)?  Are there fish that would co-exist with the trout that would 
help keep down plant overgrowth?

Any suggestions for a good reference book on this topic?

-- 
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From pha6wf@leeds.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:34:20 EDT 1995
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In article <9505091859592.DLITE.dfready@delphi.com> dfready@delphi.com (Douglas Ready) writes:

>"Where there are piranhas, the alligator swims on his back"  

>I have never actually observed this behavior, but I have been assured that
>if you see alligators swimming on their backs, you should stay out of the
>water.  
Being Brasilian I can confirm the saying but I've never observed that 
behaviour in caymans either.  I'll keep watching...

>One more:  In some parts of Brasil the term "piranha" is applied to certain
>           women of ill repute.
In some places in Brasil I have observed men swim on their backs  (or 
whatever the dry land equivalent may be...)

Waldemar



From grenard@herpmed.com Sun May 14 13:34:21 EDT 1995
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Thanks to the many excellent suggestions posted to me by readers,
the NA Snakebite webpage has been slightly revised in several areas
and linked to the international Poisons Database, a series of pages
which contains a list of all venomous species worldwide, antivenom sources,
as well as listings of toxinologists and poison control centers.
This partially alleviates my earlier concerns for providing information
on species exotic to us in the USA as well as to field workers and residents 
in foreign locales. The revised URL is::

http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/snbite.rev

The issue of using pressure dressings and elastic bandaging on bites by
species with proteolytic action was recently addressed by Norris and Minton
in Vol6,No6 of Vivarium where they urge caution. There is a trade-off in
using the methods advocated in Australia for bites by their native species.
That trade-off may indeed include increased risk of local tissue damage
versus allowing the venom to reach vital organs. In any life or death
situation such factors must be weighed.    The technique is harmless if
little or no envenomation has ocurred. If significant envenomation
has ocurred it could be life saving. There is a gray area in-between where
local tissue damage may be incurred needlessly.  It is, in my opinion,
impossible to speculate on which of these three scenarios a victim may
face.  Therefore the webpage continues to recommend the Australian
method as the safest course of action in a potentially life threatening
bite. We have added the use of the Sawyer Extractor on a try-basis for
up to l-minute although there is no convincing evidence it is
entirely efficacious.  The earlier claims about the vast amount of
suction (1 atmosphere) it can generate continues to concern me. This
amount of vacuum is, according to the laws of physics, theoretically
impossible. If the amount of vacuum is even near that much, however,          
you risk closing/sealing the fang track. The page recommends free bleeding of  
bite first followed by no more than a minute's worth of attempt with the
extractor. If the wound is bleeding at all by itself at least the
extractor would not prevent the bleeding and it may work for a short time 
afterwards to remove some additional fluid/blood/venom from the bite
site.  If it is to be used at all, it should be done after allowing
free-bleeding and only for a few trys. The presence of a straight edged
razor blade in the extractor kit should NOT be construed as an invitation
to incise or cut into the flesh around the bite site. It is 
there to prep the skin around the bite (shaving hair off).  Hair around
the bite could prevent an effective seal between extractor and skin
surface.  

I look forward to continuinng this dialogue either on the public forum
of the two herp newsgroups or via private e-mail as one would prefer.

Steve Grenard
grenard@herpmed.com





















I look forward to a continuing dialogue on these subjects either in
the public forum of sci.bio.herp or rec.pet.herp or via e-mail.



 




 
As further improvements to this and linked pages are made I
will continue to report them. Again thank you to all who have 
responded with comments and suggestions.

NEW URL:

http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/snbite.rev



Steve Grenard




From smj94002@uconnvm.uconn.edu Sun May 14 13:34:22 EDT 1995
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Could anyone tell me about the new craze in Tilapia breeding?  It seems
that they are becoming very popular on the market.  Where are they native
to?  Size?  Flavor?  Salt or fresh water?  Any other info would be greatly
appreciated.
																																						Thanks,
																																											Steve Jordan
Email if you prefer


From the_doctor@netins.net Sun May 14 13:34:22 EDT 1995
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From: the_doctor@netins.net
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is ther anyone out there that farms catfish???

		The_Doctor@Netins.Net 


From dave@midnite.advance.com Sun May 14 13:34:23 EDT 1995
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Is anyone out there studying the Rogue River in Oregon?  (Particularly
the decline of the steelhead)?  If so, send me a note and I'll tell
you more about what my interests are.

				- Dave Diller


From JRC@OITVMS.OIT.UMASS.EDU Sun May 14 13:34:24 EDT 1995
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From: JRC@OITVMS.OIT.UMASS.EDU (JOHN RICE COLE)
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A local company is about to begin tilapia farming in tanks near here on the
Connecticut River floodplain. Apparently they have Conservation Commission
permission.

Should anyone worry, or have I read one too many Andrew Hall novel?!

--John
jrc@tei.umass.edu


From aqsys@aol.com Sun May 14 13:34:25 EDT 1995
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From: aqsys@aol.com (Aqsys)
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I have run across a situation where a pond owner, 1/2 acre who has just
bought the property, said that the pond was stocked with Israel Carp.  I
had not heard the term Israel Carp for over 20 years and since last I
heard the Israel Carp was a carp that ate vegetation, so I guess that I
have assumed for years that the Israel Carp was just another name for the
White Amur.

Is there a difference between the two or are they the same. From what the
pond owner has told me it sounds like these fish were stocked a couple of
years ago, the pond before this had never had any major algae problems,
now the pond is over run by algae and the owner at a lost as to what to
do.  I recommended that the algae be treated and the White Amur or Israel
Carp be removed and vascular weeds be planted to try and tie up some of
the excess nutrients.  

Is there any way to trap the White Amur, possibly using vascular
vegetation as bait.  The only two other options that I see are to kill off
the pond and restock it or try and seign the carp out.  Any suggestions or
observations would be appreciated.

Scott Seymour.


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North American Venomous Snakebite- Emergency First Aid Web Page 

Several people with Netscape wrote to say they could not properly
access this page unless there was an htm or html tag attached.

Therefore, please be advised that the URL for this Web site has
now been modified and may be accessed as follows. I hope that this
modification will make the WebPage accessible by all Web Browsers
including Netscape.  Please contact the undersigned if there are
difficulties so they can be addressed. 

http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/snbite.htm



Thank you for your attention and kind assistance in this project.

Steve Grenard
grenard@herpmed.com



From stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca Sun May 14 13:34:27 EDT 1995
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From: stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Paul Stewart)
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Does anyone have info or a contact for raising or otherwise dealing with 
Koi (sp?)?  I am searching info for a local biotech firm using this 
species for production of vaccine. Contact me directly or through this 
list. Also, is there a newsgroup for aquaculture I can post this to? Any 
Web sites would be appreciated too.

I am currently self-employed as a consultant biochemist for the growing 
aquaculture industry here, including fin-fish (so far, all salmonids). 
Anyone else out there with similar interests or in a similar position, I 
would love to hear from you. Need to expand my list of contacts, and this 
is the place to do it.

ABIOGEN c/o Paul Stewart
RR #2 Vernon Bridge
Prince Edward Island
CANADA   C0A 2E0
stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca
(902) 651-3163


From td_hartzog@pnl.gov. Sun May 28 23:10:07 EDT 1995
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From: td_hartzog@pnl.gov. (Tim Hartzog)
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(NOTE: everything cut this time)

Sir,

As you do not know myself or what I do or what my beliefs are,
I do care for your implication that I am trying to kill this news
group. It was not snipping. I was only giving someone who had checked his
facts a bravo. I had read your reply as snipping. You stated, and I quote

>I'm curious.  What impact did building the pond have on the wildlife, 
>plantlife and surroundings of the stream in general below you? Any 
>objections from any landowners?  What larger system did it feed and how 
is
>it going to affect it?

. He replied with a FULL reply and not a simple "YES". As I re-read this 
I now see that it was not snipping, merely a question. If I offened you 
I am sorry but I do not like being slandered by someone I do not even 
know. I am not looking for a flame war and will not respond to any flame 
bait. As for my leaving the part in about the army corp. of Eng. I merely 
cut part of the text so as not to repost the whole article. 

>You are not exactly overflowing with 
>activity to the point that you can afford to be quite as elitist as you
>and one or two others would like to be.  The majority on here are not
>only very intelligent, informed individuals; they are quite willing to
discuss issues and share that information.

When did posting lots make people authorities? Did I say anything that 
was elitist? I merely gave someone a bravo for covering all the bases, 
same as you did in the first part of your reply to my post. I am here out 
of curiosity, if this is the response that new people get I can see why 
there are only 25 poeple posting.


Tim
-- 
Opinions are mine and not the people who pay for
my time and existence on this earth.



From dwalker@island.net Sun May 28 23:10:08 EDT 1995
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Does anyone have any general information on doing "Creel" surveys
(Catch per unit effort) for river(Bar) recreational fisheries.

Just looking for general tips on methodology and potential problems,
secondary (i.e. environmental measurements) and data management.

Any important cites or contacts would be helpful as well.

dwalker@island.net (Nanaimo, BC)



From cjones@rsmas.miami.edu Sun May 28 23:10:09 EDT 1995
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From: cjones@rsmas.miami.edu (Christopher Jones)
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In article <3p9904$i6a@umigw.miami.edu>, roffer@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu says:
>
>Does anyone know where one can get the results or proceedings of
>the recent workshop held in Virginia on the effects of tag and release.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mitch Roffer
>roffer@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu


The meeting held recently in Virginia Beach (May 8-10) dealt mainly 
with catch and release mortality, as opposed to effects of tagging.  
There was some mention made of mortality due to tagging, but no papers 
dealing directly to the topic.


Christopher Jones
jones@rsmas.miami.edu


From sfsfs@fail.com Sun May 28 23:10:11 EDT 1995
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Hi.  Please excuse me if I am posting to the wrong group.  I am a layman 
doing a little research into freshwater snails and their life cycles, 
with particular reference to breeding and early (larval?) stages.  I am 
NOT a biologist, but can make my way through most college biology texts.  
I would appreciate some references, particularly WWW references, on this 
subject.  Is there a book you have found particularly useful?  a 
pamphlet or other resource?  Please let me know.  You can post a reply 
or e-mail me at

munchkyn@netcom.com

Again, my apologies if this is an intrusion into the wrong group.  
Thanks for any help you can lend me.

Sarah Stegall

P.S. No, this is NOT a school project.




From hank@netcom.com Sun May 28 23:10:12 EDT 1995
From cjones@rsmas.miami.edu Sun May 28 23:14:53 EDT 1995
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In article <3p9904$i6a@umigw.miami.edu>, roffer@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu says:
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>Does anyone know where one can get the results or proceedings of
>the recent workshop held in Virginia on the effects of tag and release.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mitch Roffer
>roffer@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu


The meeting held recently in Virginia Beach (May 8-10) dealt mainly 
with catch and release mortality, as opposed to effects of tagging.  
There was some mention made of mortality due to tagging, but no papers 
dealing directly to the topic.


Christopher Jones
jones@rsmas.miami.edu


From sfsfs@fail.com Sun May 28 23:14:54 EDT 1995
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Hi.  Please excuse me if I am posting to the wrong group.  I am a layman 
doing a little research into freshwater snails and their life cycles, 
with particular reference to breeding and early (larval?) stages.  I am 
NOT a biologist, but can make my way through most college biology texts.  
I would appreciate some references, particularly WWW references, on this 
subject.  Is there a book you have found particularly useful?  a 
pamphlet or other resource?  Please let me know.  You can post a reply 
or e-mail me at

munchkyn@netcom.com

Again, my apologies if this is an intrusion into the wrong group.  
Thanks for any help you can lend me.

Sarah Stegall

P.S. No, this is NOT a school project.




From hank@netcom.com Sun May 28 23:14:55 EDT 1995
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I've got four culverts through which about 80-100 acres of high
watershed runoff gets consolidaed -- in starting to try to revegetate,
we're considering small impoundments so as to be able to water into
the dry summertime here (N. Ca. coast range).

This offers the possibility, perhaps, of measuring silt load, capturing
silt below the culverts and trying to spread the water out over the
hillside.

Too remote for a concrete truck; too steep for a dirt dam; too
many thunderstorms to under-design anything else it'll wash out.

Any thoughts welcome.  So far we've just been watching and are
going to set up photo transect posts soon, so we can reconsider over time.



From tad@sdc.cs.boeing.com Sun May 28 23:14:56 EDT 1995
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I don't think fin clipping as a method of id would work in his situation
since he will be studying swimming and the fin clips could have an impact
on the fishes' swimming pattern, performance, etc.


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This request was posted to me and I think somebody can help

We would like to know informations about aquaculture for marine fishes,
especially " sea bream" and "spiny lobster".
   I'm student in Departament of Oceanography at Rio de Janeiro State
University, and I'm working with marine fishes aquaculture.
   Thank you,in advance,for your attention

 Gelcilio C. Barros Filho" <@vm.gmd.de:C9312035@BRUERJM.BITNET>.


From drouinl@ERE.UMontreal.CA Sun May 28 23:14:58 EDT 1995
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From: drouinl@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Drouin Louis)
Subject: World Fisheries congress: where?
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I am looking for the Proceedings of the World Fisheries Congress, (1992)
in Athens.  If somebody have any info on these Proceedings, I would be
very grateful

Contact Francis





From td_hartzog@pnl.gov. Sun May 28 23:14:59 EDT 1995
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From: td_hartzog@pnl.gov. (Tim Hartzog)
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Thank you Dan for your apology, accepted and done! :)

I was wondering if Mark would mind answering a few questions,
1> Are you stocking the pond/lake/body of water? If so with what?
2> Do you have to worry about draw down in the spring, what about low 
water in the summer? Is the water line static or is it lowered and raised 
with the flow of water?
3> Which is Better? (anyone who can answer is great!)
4> Do you have to worry about ice? If so does that influence what kind of 
fish should go in there?

I am a self confessed computer/business nerd and have only the talks with 
a friend of mine who has a degree in Marine Biology to prompt these 
questions and I don't even fish! Please be gentle, (G).


-- 
Opinions are mine and not the people who pay for
my time and existence on this earth.



From ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th Sun May 28 23:15:00 EDT 1995
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From: ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th (Ian H. Macrae)
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Subject: Re: tilapia
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JOHN RICE COLE (JRC@OITVMS.OIT.UMASS.EDU) wrote:
: A local company is about to begin tilapia farming in tanks near here on the
: Connecticut River floodplain. Apparently they have Conservation Commission
: permission.

: Should anyone worry, or have I read one too many Andrew Hall novel?!

: --John
: jrc@tei.umass.edu

The lowest temperature tolerated by tilapia is 18 deg centigrade. It is a 
tropical/sub tropical species which originated in Africa and the middle 
east. And will grow in fresh and salt water, though it is basically a 
freshwater fish. They are very hardy and breed prolifically, some are 
mouth brooders ie. the mothers carry the young in a mouth pouch until 
free swimming. They are now widely spread throughout central and southern 
America, Africa, the middle east and south and south east asia, as well 
as I believe northern Australia.

Given the above great care should be exercised if intoduced in areas 
within their range - although if it is within their range they are 
probably there already !



From dan.rapp@stpete.honeywell.com Sun May 28 23:15:01 EDT 1995
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OK, OK, we were both a little touchy.  You stated "BRAVO!!!! Way to cover 
all your bases against just this sort of thing!".  It was a little 
sarcastic; but then so am I. I'll own up to the fact that I overreacted.  
I've noticed a (very) few respondents in here that take offense at the 
"unwashed masses" commenting in this group and find it irritating.  I
included you as one of them after your comment.  Sorry about that.  As far
as slander, hardly.  I will stand by the fact that I think this forum 
needs to develope a more open atmosphere for discussion; dissent and
comments on the dissent.  A number of the people commenting on here have
advanced education in some specialized areas.  Being questioned in an
area of expertise can be irritating.  So can seemingly "stupid questions".

Anyway, I asked the original question only because I wanted to know the
answer.  You took it wrong and reacted accordingly.  I then overreacted 
and acted the same as those I find so irritating.  Basically, we both
were a bit foolish.  I accept your apology and extend mine in return.  Next
time, maybe we can find something really worthy of our somewhat dubious
talents.<grin>  Anyway, glad to have another curious non-expert on the
group.  Definitely quite a bit of good information here.

Dan


From ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th Sun May 28 23:15:02 EDT 1995
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From: ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th (Ian H. Macrae)
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David Jones (hallman@bcu.ubc.ca) wrote:
: I need to find out a reliable technique for marking captive fish.  I
: can't use "T-tags" through the epaxial muscle because one of the exp'ts

: I was thinking about "branding" the fish (while anaesthetized) with a
: low power solering iron on the operculum.  I would only need a letter
: or two (just enough for a positive ID).  If anyone has any opinions or
: any suggestions for other techniques please let me know.

You might try freeze branding using a metal "number" cooled in liquid 
nitrogen, this produces a readable brand after a few hours. It is easy to 
produce a set of irons to do this - copper is best.



From ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th Sun May 28 23:15:03 EDT 1995
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From: ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th (Ian H. Macrae)
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the_doctor@netins.net wrote:
: is ther anyone out there that farms catfish???

: 		The_Doctor@Netins.Net 

What kind of catfish ?


From brett3@ix.netcom.com Sun May 28 23:15:04 EDT 1995
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In <3pmboi$qfk@nuscc.nus.sg> scip3174@solar.cc.nus.sg (N Sivasothi)
writes: 
>
>JOHN RICE COLE (JRC@OITVMS.OIT.UMASS.EDU) wrote:
>: A local company is about to begin tilapia farming in tanks near here
on the
>: Connecticut River floodplain. Apparently they have Conservation
Commission
>: permission.
>
>: Should anyone worry, or have I read one too many Andrew Hall novel?!
>
>Over here in Southeast Asia, these African fish are all over the
place. 
>They are a pest in Singapore resevoirs because they tend to die in
>thousands, polluting the drinking water. But they are food fish in
other
>countries which have freshwater fisheries. 
>
>While there is concern about tilapia outcompeting native fish over
here,
>my impression is that these lacustrine fish are occupying only altered
>habitats, which the endemics have left anyway. We do not have
lacustrine
>fish (I think Southeast Asia does not have old lakes like in Africa),
so
>perhaps they are not a threat to endemics, but merely occupying a
niche
>that would otherwise be empty. 
>
>They cannot penetrate into forest streams due to the acidity, which is

>where endemics 'hang out'.
>
>Is there anyone out there who knows about this?
'm new to this group. I've been hanging out in rec.ponds. I'm a
fisheries biologist/fish culturist in Texas. I've worked with several
species of Tilapia and related fishes for about 15 years. They are all
tropical in nature, but some tolerate cold temperatures better than
others. In Southeast Texas, they will all die off in a hard winter.
They are fairly well established in non-natural heated habitats
(powerplant lakes, well outfalls, other unusually warm waters) and
controversial in this state. They are established in extreme South
Texas. Several farms are producing them here, mostly indoors. The
tilapia are sometimes stocked as bass forage in unheated small (less
than 1000 acres) reservoirs by the owners/fisheries managers. They
become quite numerous in summer and vulnerable to complete predation
when the water cools in winter.  I have never heard of tilapia commonly
overwintering in unheated areas North of Interstat 10 or a line from
Houston through San Antonio. Most have a lower lethal limit of about 50
degrees F. I don't believe that they could become a problem in unheated
waters North of Texas. I tend to believe the disturbed habitat/invader
theory postulated here. Not too many natural water habitats left in
Texas, many, many, heated reservoirs built in riverbeds where tilapia
thrive. Hope I wasn't too long winded, and Helpfull.
                   Brett


From ALAN_SIMCOE@MINDLINK.BC.CA Sun May 28 23:15:05 EDT 1995
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I am looking for information on the suspended sediment levels tolerated by 
Rainbow Trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss), Bull trout (Salvelinus confluentus) and 
Mountain whitefish (Prosopium williamsoni).  If anyone has some references 
which quantify the acceptable levels I would appreciate hearing about them.  I 
can be reached at my e-mail: Alan_Simcoe@mindlink.bc.ca


From dwalker@island.net Sun May 28 23:15:06 EDT 1995
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I have recently been running across references to a seafood gaining
poularity called the soft shelled crab (quite small and you use the
entire animal). If anyone knows the specifics on their biology and
whether they are culturable let me know at:

dwalker@island.net



From BRSF000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Sun May 28 23:15:07 EDT 1995
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Does anyone know a good technique to count fish eggs (Rainbow
Trout)??  I have an extensive lab to work with. Any ideas
would be greatly appreciated.

                        Thanks, Pas from Montreal



From jkorrube@botzoo.uct.ac.za Sun May 28 23:15:08 EDT 1995
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From: jkorrube@botzoo.uct.ac.za (Jan L. Korrubel)
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Hi all,

I am doing a linear/goal programming exercise with some judgemental  data I 
have extracted from a group of "experts".  I haven't seen it much applied in 
the fisheries field and was wondering if any of you mangement/stats types out 
there might have a pointer or two for me.....?

Many thanks in advance,

Jan L. Korrubel
Marine Biology Research Institute
University of Cape Town
The 'new' South Africa.



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From salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu Sun May 28 23:15:09 EDT 1995
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From: salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu (James J Montgomery)
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D. Walker (dwalker@island.net) wrote:
: Does anyone have any general information on doing "Creel" surveys
: (Catch per unit effort) for river(Bar) recreational fisheries.

: Just looking for general tips on methodology and potential problems,
: secondary (i.e. environmental measurements) and data management.

: Any important cites or contacts would be helpful as well.

: dwalker@island.net (Nanaimo, BC)

	You may want to stratify sampling schedule by weekday/weekend, 
weather, time after stocking, to increase precision.
	Make sure to always sample at different times of day.  How large 
is the study area?  You may have problems contacting all anglers present 
during sampling period.
	Pay attention to behavioral protocol on behalf of your surveyors.
	Important environmental measurements: air temp, water temp, river 
discharge,  water clarity.
	Get data as to fishing method (fly, lure, or bait).

	Also, I know, make sure there is adequate fishing pressure to get 
sufficient sample size for analysis!!

	email me personally or over the group with more specifics of your 
situation and I may be able to help you further.  I have some citations.

				-jamie (salmo@student.umass.edu)


From aqsys@inc.net Sun May 28 23:15:10 EDT 1995
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From: aqsys@inc.net (Scott Seymour)
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Ponds-L: Pond & Lake Management Discussion List

List Title: ponds-l: Pond & Lake Management 
Discussion List
List Owner or Contact: Scott Seymour aqsys@inc.net

Description:

Ponds-L is an discussion group primarily directed 
towards the layman who owns or lives on a pond or 
small lake and commercial owners of ponds and small 
lakes.  Members of the educational & scientific 
communities and pond & lake professionals are welcome 
to join the list in an advisory capacity.

Some of the topics of discussion: (but not limited 
to)

Weed & Algae Control (chemical - mechanical - 
biological), fishery management, aeration and 
fountain systems, pond & lake restoration, biological 
augmentation, pond & small lake construction, 
shoreline stabilization, nutrient management, 
watershed issues, dredging & sediment removal, 
wildlife problems (geese, muskrats, beavers, otters 
and blue heron's.) and beneficial aquatic vegetation.

This group is for the discussion of pond and lake 
problems, commercial advertising or spams are not 
welcome.  No polite posting that is on subject will 
be rejected.

To subscribe to this list, send e-mail to 
listproc@inc.net; in the body of the message, type 
subscribe ponds-l [your name] example "subscribe 
ponds-l John Doe"

To unsubscribe from this list, send the command 
unsubscribe ponds-l in e-mail to listproc@inc.net

Send all other list-related commands to 
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Language:
English

If you are interested in Ponds & Lakes here are the 
names of some other excellent groups that you might 
want to try:

rec.ponds   
A newsgroup that is directed towards the owners of 
decorative & ornamental ponds.  For people that enjoy 
water gardening, Koi, goldfish and other fish as a 
hobby, this group is very informative.

sci.bio.fisheries
A newsgroup that is directed towards aquaculture and 
fishery management on a very scientific and technical 
level.  If you are a serious fish grower or have a 
strong interest in the ecological aspects of the 
fishery around the world this is very good news group 
that might be right for you.. 


Lakes-L 
This is a mail list that deals with a wide variety of 
larger lake issues. Some of the topics that are 
covered are as follows:

Lake Management ideas; analytical tools, hardware and 
procedures related to lake ecology and lakes; all 
lake related biological, geological, and scientific 
topics. Particular emphasis is placed on behavioral, 
evolutionary, paleontological, theoretical, and 
community ecology; including assessment and 
management by applied mathematics, statistics and 
modeling, mathematical GIS, limnology, chemical 
ecology, etc:



From aqsys@inc.net Sun May 28 23:15:11 EDT 1995
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From: aqsys@inc.net (Scott Seymour)
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I have just posted the announcement of Ponds-L to 
your group, I also am a member of sci.bio.fisheries 
and feel that it is an excellent group. At the bottom 
of the announcement for Ponds-L you will see that I 
have a short message recommending sci.bio.fisheries, 
I also plan on adding a recommendation for your group 
on the welcome page that new subscribers get when 
they subscribe to Ponds-L. I have not done this yet, 
if anyone would like to help me by sending me a short 
descriptive text on sci.bio.fisheries I would 
appreciate it.

Scott Seymour



From grenard@herpmed.com Sun May 28 23:15:12 EDT 1995
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The Herpmed HomePage can now be found located at:

http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/


and provides clickable links to: NA Snakebite Emergency First-Aid
WebPage, The Virtual Herpetology Library (Harvard) and the 
WW Poisons Information Database. This database contains listings of
every venomous snake in the world and links to antivenom sources.

To listers of herpetology webpages: please delete the herpmed
snakebite page and replace with the above homepage  at your next
revision. Thank you. 




From bjford@cix.compulink.co.uk Sun May 28 23:15:14 EDT 1995
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From: bjford@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Brian Ford")
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We are compiling a survey of sensitivity, response and 'awareness' in 
animals and plants. This brief multiple posting is to ask for contacts of 
current researchers, or relevant reports. Thanks.

Brian J Ford.


From bmurray@bud.peinet.pe.ca Sun May 28 23:15:15 EDT 1995
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From: bmurray@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Barry Murray)
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Subject: Re: American Lobster, Homarus americanus
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In article <dickhuas-180595181359@msp2-7.nas.mr.net> dickhuas@InforMNs.k12.MN.US (Dale Dickhausen) writes:
>From: dickhuas@InforMNs.k12.MN.US (Dale Dickhausen)
>Subject: American Lobster, Homarus americanus
>Date: 19 May 1995 12:17:29 GMT

>Can somebody on the net give me the latest information about research on
>the American Lobster found in the Northwest Atlantic? How big can they get?
>How long do they live? I'd like to hear from some lobster fishermen. I was
>out in Maine two years ago and was fasinated by these guys. 
>-- 
>Have a good day. 

A good popular reference book is  The Lobster Almanac, Bruce Ballenger, The 
Globe Pequot Press, 1988.  There are 217 pages, with major sections on Lobster 
Culture, Lobster Science, The Culinary Lobster, and The Lobster Trade.  Its a 
good read, fairly accurate, generally what it seems you're looking for.  
F.Y.I., I'm a lobster fisherman in the Gulf of St. Lawrence.

bmurray


From gcouger@agen.okstate.edu Sun May 28 23:15:16 EDT 1995
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From: gcouger@jsun.agen.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger)
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Subject: Re: marking captive fish
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In article <3q1lkp$9kv@abac.au.ac.th>,
Ian H. Macrae <ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th> wrote:
>David Jones (hallman@bcu.ubc.ca) wrote:
>: I need to find out a reliable technique for marking captive fish.  I
>: can't use "T-tags" through the epaxial muscle because one of the exp'ts
>
>: I was thinking about "branding" the fish (while anaesthetized) with a
>: low power solering iron on the operculum.  I would only need a letter
>: or two (just enough for a positive ID).  If anyone has any opinions or
>: any suggestions for other techniques please let me know.
>
>You might try freeze branding using a metal "number" cooled in liquid 
>nitrogen, this produces a readable brand after a few hours. It is easy to 
>produce a set of irons to do this - copper is best.
>

You can find the numbered copper branding iorns alredy made. Just go to
a veternary supply house ask for horn branding iorns. The are used to
brand numbers in the horns of cattle.

If you can't find them localy
Karl Myer had them the last time I was in there his number is
405 335 2158. Make sure the size he has suits you. If you call him tell
him I said hello to him and his wife Donna.
Gordon                                  

Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
gcouger@master.ceat.okstate.edu 405-624-2855 evenings 
    I do not speak for my employer


From seliason@awod.com Sun May 28 23:15:17 EDT 1995
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<much deleted for space>
 
maybe we can find something really worthy of our somewhat dubious
>talents.<grin>  Anyway, glad to have another curious non-expert on the
>group.  Definitely quite a bit of good information here.
>
>Dan


  I hope that no one will be intimidated from posting thier questions, 
even a "stupid" question in some peoples minds are relevant to many.  As
you know fisheries is an ongoing field of research, we'll never know it
all. Hell, I ask "stupid" questions every day, and every once in a while 
I find out something new. Works for me, even if its for laughs.

-Steve-



From dcypser@nyx10.cs.du.edu Mon May 29 15:50:03 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
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Could you folks remove sci.geo.geology from your cross-postings, please.  
It is not appropriate.

Darlene



From jmerola@vt.edu Mon May 29 15:50:04 EDT 1995
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How did this thread end up in bburg.bev.general?  Could all of you
conspirators please change your postings so it doesn't come here.

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From graham@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu Mon May 29 15:50:05 EDT 1995
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Carl J Lydick (carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU) wrote:
> In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>, an113354@anon.penet.fi (Michel) writes:

> =So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
> =done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
> =which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
> =some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
> =phenomenon would only be marginal.

> You seem to believe that there's something intrinsically different between the
> direction and frequency of the motion caused by an S wave and that caused by a
> P wave.  There's not.

So, Carl.  How about answering his question?  Heck, lay all this 
bantering about second-bomb conspiracies to rest.  Just explain to
him why the amplitude of the supposed reflection or secondary wave
was greater than the first.

> =Of course Carl will respond that I don't really understand the words
> =I write.

> You've demonstrated quite nicely that you know absolutely nothing about what
> you're gibbering about.

No, I think not.  He's demonstrated as have many others, that there is
an unanswered FUNDAMENTAL question about the seismograph recording.

If someone would actually answer this, we could avoid all of this
pompous bullshit from you armchair skeptics.

Jim Graham
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From listproc@inc.net Mon May 29 15:50:06 EDT 1995
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From dwalker@island.net Mon May 29 15:50:07 EDT 1995
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From: dwalker@island.net (D. Walker)
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Subject: Re: Creel Surveys
Date: 29 May 1995 14:30:59 GMT
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In article <3q3g4g$bj0@nic.umass.edu>, salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu (James J Montgomery) says:
>
>D. Walker (dwalker@island.net) wrote:
>: Does anyone have any general information on doing "Creel" surveys
>: (Catch per unit effort) for river(Bar) recreational fisheries.
>
>: Just looking for general tips on methodology and potential problems,
>: secondary (i.e. environmental measurements) and data management.
>
>: Any important cites or contacts would be helpful as well.
>
>: dwalker@island.net (Nanaimo, BC)

>
>        You may want to stratify sampling schedule by weekday/weekend, 
>weather, time after stocking, to increase precision.

Yes, I did manage to come up with a bit of info on creel census and it 
appears that the "stratification" of sampling is very important, however
it was a liitle oblique on how best to approach randomizing the sampling 
schedule.

>        Make sure to always sample at different times of day.  How large 
>is the study area?  You may have problems contacting all anglers present 
>during sampling period.

ibid (same as strat of days ?); The sampling area is the (lower) Fraser 
river, from Sumas to Coquihalla R. ( Hope). Apparently we will have two
people in the field sampling at four sites ( 2 ea); with weekly flyovers for
total counts ... comments ?. Shuold there be spot checks outside of the
main study sites.

>        Pay attention to behavioral protocol on behalf of your surveyors.

I'm sorry, i am not sure what you mean here, how shy at approaching people
or the fact that not all fishers are created equal and may skew the data
(skewness being apparently another issue)

>        Important environmental measurements: air temp, water temp, river 
>discharge,  *water clarity*.

Sechhi disk ?, anything better ?


>        Get data as to fishing method (fly, lure, or bait).

Yes, very important

>        Also, I know, make sure there is adequate fishing pressure to get 
>sufficient sample size for analysis!!

Please clarify, we will be examining the exploitation of chinook and sockeye
primarily, so i suppose this falls somewhat under some of the assumptions
regarding mixed stock fisheries.

>
>        email me personally or over the group with more specifics of your 
>situation and I may be able to help you further.  I have some citations.
>
>                                -jamie (salmo@student.umass.edu)

Thanks for the tips, I am posting in the group as I have had a couple
of requests for summarys of any info I come up with from some of the readers.

dwalker@island.net


From jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu Mon May 29 15:50:08 EDT 1995
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From: jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu (John DeLaughter)
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi> an113354@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>
>So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
>done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
>which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
>some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
>phenomenon would only be marginal.

Ok, let me give this a swing.  I am not a full-time seismologist; right
now I'm researching coronae and geoid functions.  However, my master's
thesis dealt with earthquake statistics.  And, even better, I have at
hand three (out of many, many more) texts that *show* seismic traces
recorded on the same type of equipment as that located in Norman.

In _Earthquake Interpretation: A Manual for Reading Seismograms_ (R.B.
Simon, 1981), there are several exxamples of seismic traces which include
both P- and S-waves.  There are even several that show LQ and LR.
See pp.24-25, 36-37, 39, 41, 47... Heck, look at just about any page in
the book!

In _Introduction to Geophysical Prospecting_ (M.B. Dobrin and C. H. Savit,
1988), there is a very good description of how seismic waves propogate 
(Ch 2) and another on the type of instruments that are used to record
seismic traces (Ch 3).  Admittedly, this book is geared more toward
exploration seismology that toward earthquake seismology and so gives
more room to typical exploration geophones but, as one professor of mine
used to say, "The math don't care!"  There is also a nice discussion
of the growing use of S-waves in seismic surveys.

And, in _The Solid Earth: An Introduction to Global Geophysics_ (C. M. R.
Fowler, 1990), there are again several examples of both P- and S-waves 
arriving on the same instrument (pp. 96-97), as well as a good, basic 
discussion of seismic propogation.

In short, as long as you continue to argue that a seismometer can only
recieve P- or S- waves, and not both all types of properly oriented
waves, you will reveal the vast depths of your ignorance in the field.

John DeLaughter


From jpmork@primenet.com Mon May 29 15:50:10 EDT 1995
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You mean facts are actually USED in these interminable rightwing rants?

Not so's I've noticed.  Why is it rightwingers can create their cases out 
of whole cloth and expect everybody else to do better?  In  most of these 
cases, "nobody knows" is the only truthful answer.  But, then, that would 
make for a lot of short threads.

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From an113354@anon.penet.fi Mon May 29 15:50:11 EDT 1995
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In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:

It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

>=>
>=> You forgot my small surprise quizz, to prove that at least you know
>=>something about VAXen :)
>=>
>=
>=This side attack is quite revealing. 

Ah, the pop psychoanalysis continues. Probably so that he can claim
that it's not an ad hominem attack but rather the result of a careful
deduction.

>= Do you care at all about convicing
>=people that the bombing was a dark conspiracy, or do you just like
>=pretending that you know more than anybody else? 

I care about convincing that the bombing was a conspiracy, but in
this occasion I just wanted to make fun of somebody's stupid
signature.

>= I'm sure you find it
>=very comforting in the short term, but it doesn't really address your
>=underlying need for acceptance.  
>=
>=Is there somebody that you can talk to about this?
 Psychoanalysis again.

>
>To respond toi his sid quiz, it was yet another example of his babbling.  I

Aren't we getting a little bit nervous here? Spelling errors can be
quite revealing. (Sorry for the psychoing...)

>claim to understand VAXen and VMS.  His "quiz" had little to do with either:  I                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>was a question about a security bug in an O/S other than VMS that happened to
>run on VAXen.
        ^^^
Isn't there a small contradiction here? (Not that it is relevant to
the bombing, I'm just picking nits...)

So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
phenomenon would only be marginal.

Of course Carl will respond that I don't really understand the words
I write. Probable candidates are the words ad hominem, S-wave, P-wave,
psychoanalysis, and why not VAXen and VMS. Probably I'm just a team of
monkeys banging away at my keyboard. Hey, a few more candidate words.

Probably lots of other people will try to find comfort by showing
their pop knowlege of psychology.

Of course people don't want to appear to be predictable (sorry for the
psychoing), and will try to react differently. Or maybe some won't get
it.
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From boylel@Primenet.Com Mon May 29 21:46:31 EDT 1995
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From: boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle)
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Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>,
Michel <an113354@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>
>In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>>In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
>>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:
>
>It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
>they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
>and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

  1. Every "fact" you have presented has been disputed thoroughly.

  2. I didn't really intend that as name-calling, just marvelling at
     how well this entire thread would fit into an Abnormal Psych
     textbook.  To anyone familiar with the diagnostic criteria for
     "paranoid personality", it's like saying "a man with a limp".
     That's not name-calling, it's simply stating the obvious.  I'll
     point out that it's not the same as "paranoid schizophrenic".


>I care about convincing that the bombing was a conspiracy, but in
>this occasion I just wanted to make fun of somebody's stupid
>signature.

  I didn't understand it as "making fun".  It seemed to come across
  as a test of his abilities, with the intent of impressing us all
  that you actually know more than he does.  The fact that you 
  pressed for an answer when he ignored you further confused me.

>>To respond toi his sid quiz, it was yet another example of his babbling.  I
>
>Aren't we getting a little bit nervous here? Spelling errors can be
>quite revealing. (Sorry for the psychoing...)

  Now here's an example of the difference between a person with training in
  psychological evaluation and "pop psychology".  Spelling errors are an
  excellent way to diagnose a sticky keyboard and possibly the importance
  attached to the message.  Personally, I would expect a person to be more
  attentive to his spelling if he was worried about the factual content,
  but I wouldn't make any decisions based on it unless I had seen samples
  of the person's typing under a variety of circumstances.

>
>>claim to understand VAXen and VMS.  His "quiz" had little to do with either:  I                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>was a question about a security bug in an O/S other than VMS that happened to
>>run on VAXen.
>        ^^^
>Isn't there a small contradiction here? (Not that it is relevant to
>the bombing, I'm just picking nits...)

  If I claimed to be an expert in the care of horses, it wouldn't be
  reasonable to test my claim by asking the name of the jockey who
  rode the winning horse in the 1957 Kentucky Derby.  People who
  understood what it means to be an expert in the care of horses 
  would immediately see that you don't understand it, and might even
  suspect that this was the only horse-related fact you knew.
 
--
-------------------
Lee Boyle
boylel@primenet.com


From carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU Mon May 29 21:46:32 EDT 1995
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>, an113354@anon.penet.fi (Michel) writes:
=Aren't we getting a little bit nervous here? Spelling errors can be
=quite revealing. (Sorry for the psychoing...)

Not at all, though you DO once again demonstrate your propensity to look for
imaginary, complex explanations where simple ones would do.  In this case, the
terminal I was using had a flakeey E key.

=>claim to understand VAXen and VMS.  His "quiz" had little to do with either:  I                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=>was a question about a security bug in an O/S other than VMS that happened to
=>run on VAXen.
=        ^^^
=Isn't there a small contradiction here? (Not that it is relevant to
=the bombing, I'm just picking nits...)

Not at all, though I'm not surprised that you're stupid enough to think there
is.  Tell me, would you expect an automobile mechanic who specializes in GM
products to be an expert in repairing televisions just because some folks might
transport televisions in GM vehicles?  By far the vast majority of bugs found
in Ultrix have simply been bugs in code ported intact from BSD.  Such bugs
have nothing to do with VAXen per se.  Of course, as usual, you were just
bandying buzzwords you'd encountered in a field of which you're quite ignorant.

=So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
=done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
=which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
=some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
=phenomenon would only be marginal.

You seem to believe that there's something intrinsically different between the
direction and frequency of the motion caused by an S wave and that caused by a
P wave.  There's not.

=Of course Carl will respond that I don't really understand the words
=I write.

You've demonstrated quite nicely that you know absolutely nothing about what
you're gibbering about.

=Probable candidates are the words ad hominem, S-wave, P-wave,
=psychoanalysis, and why not VAXen and VMS. Probably I'm just a team of
=monkeys banging away at my keyboard. Hey, a few more candidate words.
=
=Probably lots of other people will try to find comfort by showing
=their pop knowlege of psychology.

You mean as you did above?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.


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From mpage@magi.com Mon May 29 21:46:34 EDT 1995
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>, an113354@anon.penet.fi, too
scared to use his own name, wrote:

>    In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
foams:
>    >In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee
Boyle) writes:
>    >=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:
>    
>    It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
>    they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
>    and question the mental sanity of their opponents.
    
Well, dear, I'll give you a break.  I'm willing to question your physical
sanity instead. 

Feel better now?

>    >=> You forgot my small surprise quizz, to prove that at least you know
>    >=>something about VAXen :)
>    >=>
>    >=
>    >=This side attack is quite revealing. 
>    
>    Ah, the pop psychoanalysis continues. Probably so that he can claim
>    that it's not an ad hominem attack but rather the result of a careful
>    deduction.

For someone who gets his knickers in a major twist about The True Facts,
you sure have a sloppy way with the terms you throw about.  If the segment
you quote were in fact an attempt to move the argument to a psychological
level, it still would not constitute 'psychoanalysis', pop, mom, Oedipal
or otherwise.  

If you keep misusing terminology in this manner, I shall be obliged to
send the black helicopters to get you.

Maddy'must be damn uncomfortable what with those French fries implanted in
his buttocks and all'Page
 


From m.abbott@frsow.bull.fr Tue May 30 23:07:02 EDT 1995
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From: m.abbott@frsow.bull.fr (Michael E. Abbott)
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Subject: Taimen
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Could someone please provide me with
general information concerning taimen
(siberian salmon). Life-cycle, what
it likes to eat, etc.

Thanking you in advance,

Michael Abbott
m.abbott@frsow.bull.fr



From steve@srmulti.demon.co.uk Tue May 30 23:07:03 EDT 1995
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Subject: Is there any body out there?
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Obviously..
..but are any of you with the National Rivers Authority (U.K.)?

Please say hi, or point me in the direction of web pages about UK
rivers.

Steve R




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Joseph S. Merola (jmerola@vt.edu) wrote:
> How did this thread end up in bburg.bev.general?  Could all of you
> conspirators please change your postings so it doesn't come here.

WEll, I've already been burned by this childish behaviour, apparently by
someone in this thread who can't tolerate anyone disagreeing with them.

My only mistake was that I forgot to check my followups-to: line which was
copied from Carl Lydick's post to me.  So I got it from Mr. Lydick, and
we'll leave it to him to figure out where HE got it.

My apologies for not checking it.

And for the moron that put all of those irrelevant groups in the 
followup-to: line, GROW UP.

Jim Graham
--
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ATTENTION BATF:  BITE Me!

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greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in
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John DeLaughter (jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu) wrote:
> In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi> an113354@anon.penet.fi writes:
> >
> >
> >So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
> >done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
> >which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
> >some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
> >phenomenon would only be marginal.

> Ok, let me give this a swing.  I am not a full-time seismologist; right
> now I'm researching coronae and geoid functions.  However, my master's
> thesis dealt with earthquake statistics.  And, even better, I have at
> hand three (out of many, many more) texts that *show* seismic traces
> recorded on the same type of equipment as that located in Norman.

> In _Earthquake Interpretation: A Manual for Reading Seismograms_ (R.B.
> Simon, 1981), there are several exxamples of seismic traces which include
> both P- and S-waves.  There are even several that show LQ and LR.
> See pp.24-25, 36-37, 39, 41, 47... Heck, look at just about any page in
> the book!

> In _Introduction to Geophysical Prospecting_ (M.B. Dobrin and C. H. Savit,
> 1988), there is a very good description of how seismic waves propogate 
> (Ch 2) and another on the type of instruments that are used to record
> seismic traces (Ch 3).  Admittedly, this book is geared more toward
> exploration seismology that toward earthquake seismology and so gives
> more room to typical exploration geophones but, as one professor of mine
> used to say, "The math don't care!"  There is also a nice discussion
> of the growing use of S-waves in seismic surveys.

> And, in _The Solid Earth: An Introduction to Global Geophysics_ (C. M. R.
> Fowler, 1990), there are again several examples of both P- and S-waves 
> arriving on the same instrument (pp. 96-97), as well as a good, basic 
> discussion of seismic propogation.

> In short, as long as you continue to argue that a seismometer can only
> recieve P- or S- waves, and not both all types of properly oriented
> waves, you will reveal the vast depths of your ignorance in the field.

So, tell us ignoramuses how the supposed "S-wave" amplitude is greater
than the initial "P-wave".

Jim Graham
--
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ATTENTION BATF:  BITE Me!

Keywords for NSA/CIA/FBI/BATF search:  farming, rutabagas, turnips,
corn, crops, planting, cultivating, True Value Hardware, Interstate
Highway System, Seedy Motel, fertilizer, fuel oil, Mighty Morphin
Power Rangers, Hall's Cough Drops, matches, baby powder, republic,
tyranny, apple pie, Jesus, gravity, liberty, freedom, Boris Badenough,
Fearless Leader, Dudley Doright, Horse, Locke, Tocqueville, Jefferson,
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greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in
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hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our contrymen."
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Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
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Lee Boyle (boylel@Primenet.Com) wrote:
> In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>,
> Michel <an113354@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
> >
> >In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
> >>In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
> >>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:
> >
> >It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
> >they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
> >and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

>   1. Every "fact" you have presented has been disputed thoroughly.
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^
Please name just ONE.

>   2. I didn't really intend that as name-calling, just marvelling at
>      how well this entire thread would fit into an Abnormal Psych
>      textbook.  To anyone familiar with the diagnostic criteria for
>      "paranoid personality", it's like saying "a man with a limp".
>      That's not name-calling, it's simply stating the obvious.  I'll
>      point out that it's not the same as "paranoid schizophrenic".

Thanks for giving us your expert opinion without charging us, Doctor.

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From alt.folklore.urban, talk.politics.misc, alt.conspiracy, sci.geo.geology, sci.skeptic, alt.flame Tue May 30 23:07:07 EDT 1995
Article: 300 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 01:21:51 -0400
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In article <3qdset$g87@peavax.eng.pko.dec.com>, Flyfisher@netcom.com (Grey
Ghost) wrote:

   In article <3qd47j$q5k@news4.primenet.com>,
      boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) wrote:
   [lot's of paranoid bullshit thrown in the circular file]
   
   Would you morons PLEASE keep your rantings and ravings out of
newsgroups that 
   couldn't give a damn what you have to say? Specifically, 
   rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and sci.bio.fisheries?
   
Inclusion of fishing groups in the newsfroups line? Furrfu. This is
entirely too subtle. My newsreader has already marked earlier posts as
read, so I can't track the addition of these froups (the only alternative
is to mark all of afu as unread, and I haven't the strength). Artie? Is
this sporting?

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From sgr@helix.ho.att.com Tue May 30 23:07:08 EDT 1995
Article: 301 of sci.bio.fisheries
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I have a 1-acre fresh-water spring/stream-fed
pond that I'd like to develop for catch-release,
private, recreational fishing.  It currently has
quite a few (I've seen as many as 8, a few are
quite large) resident snapping turtles.

My questions:

1) Will the turtles interfere with any stocking
   of bass, catfish, sunfish, etc?  That is, I
   assume they eat fish, but don't know how much.

2) Basically, are the turtles an asset or a liability
   to the fish and fowl that frequent the pond?
   Someone said that a turtle ate one of the six
   newborn Canadian Geese.

3) If they are a liability, what's the best way to
   get them out of the pond?  The local kids seem
   to love catching them using hotdogs as bait
   (something we're in the process of preventing
    via posting of the property).

		Thanks in advance,
			Steve
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From salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu Tue May 30 23:07:09 EDT 1995
Article: 302 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu (James J Montgomery)
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Subject: Re: Creel Surveys
Date: 30 May 1995 04:13:22 GMT
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: Yes, I did manage to come up with a bit of info on creel census and it 
: appears that the "stratification" of sampling is very important, however
: it was a liitle oblique on how best to approach randomizing the sampling 
: schedule.

You may need to research your particular fishery to find out how to best 
stratify (for example: is it a weekend fishery?  Do guys show up there on 
their way home from work?)

: people in the field sampling at four sites ( 2 ea); with weekly flyovers for
: total counts ... comments ?. Shuold there be spot checks outside of the
: main study sites.

Catch rates could be *much* different at areas outside of the main study 
sites, which I presume are the areas that get the most pressure.  Are you 
concerned with CPUE for the whole river or just at the popular sites?  
Fishermen who go off the beaten path will often have higher catch rates 
(in trout fisheries anyway)

Pay attention to behavioral protocol on behalf of your surveyors.

: I'm sorry, i am not sure what you mean here, how shy at approaching people
: or the fact that not all fishers are created equal and may skew the data
: (skewness being apparently another issue)

Just make sure they approach the anglers with the attitude that the 
surveyors are intruding and that the anglers are doing them a favor.  It 
also helps to make it clear that the surveyors are *not* law enforcement 
officials.  Cooperation will be enhanced if this is clear.

: >        Also, I know, make sure there is adequate fishing pressure to get 
: >sufficient sample size for analysis!!

: Please clarify, we will be examining the exploitation of chinook and sockeye
: primarily, so i suppose this falls somewhat under some of the assumptions
: regarding mixed stock fisheries.

All I am saying is that I did a creel survey on a river that had very few 
anglers.  I spent a couple of days on the river for 6 hours without 
seeing a fisherman.  Saturdays at that.

					-jamie (salmo@student.umass.edu)


From Flyfisher@netcom.com Tue May 30 23:07:10 EDT 1995
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In article <3qd47j$q5k@news4.primenet.com>,
   boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) wrote:
[lot's of paranoid bullshit thrown in the circular file]

Would you morons PLEASE keep your rantings and ravings out of newsgroups that 
couldn't give a damn what you have to say? Specifically, 
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and sci.bio.fisheries?

Feel free to continue with your special brand of garbage flinging - 
alt.flame and alt.conspiracy needs nutbugs like you to stay in business.

But just because you have an apparently acute electrolyte imbalance doesn't 
mean you need to spam innocent conferences with your billious spewings....

We thank you for your support...You may now continue with your oxygen 
depletion program (idiots!)


From hluce@netcom.com Tue May 30 23:07:11 EDT 1995
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jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu (John DeLaughter) writes:

>In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi> an113354@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>
>>
>>So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
>>done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
>>which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
>>some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
>>phenomenon would only be marginal.

>Ok, let me give this a swing.  I am not a full-time seismologist; right
>now I'm researching coronae and geoid functions.  However, my master's
>thesis dealt with earthquake statistics.  And, even better, I have at
>hand three (out of many, many more) texts that *show* seismic traces
>recorded on the same type of equipment as that located in Norman.

>In _Earthquake Interpretation: A Manual for Reading Seismograms_ (R.B.
>Simon, 1981), there are several exxamples of seismic traces which include
>both P- and S-waves.  There are even several that show LQ and LR.
>See pp.24-25, 36-37, 39, 41, 47... Heck, look at just about any page in
>the book!

>In _Introduction to Geophysical Prospecting_ (M.B. Dobrin and C. H. Savit,
>1988), there is a very good description of how seismic waves propogate 
>(Ch 2) and another on the type of instruments that are used to record
>seismic traces (Ch 3).  Admittedly, this book is geared more toward
>exploration seismology that toward earthquake seismology and so gives
>more room to typical exploration geophones but, as one professor of mine
>used to say, "The math don't care!"  There is also a nice discussion
>of the growing use of S-waves in seismic surveys.

>And, in _The Solid Earth: An Introduction to Global Geophysics_ (C. M. R.
>Fowler, 1990), there are again several examples of both P- and S-waves 
>arriving on the same instrument (pp. 96-97), as well as a good, basic 
>discussion of seismic propogation.

>In short, as long as you continue to argue that a seismometer can only
>recieve P- or S- waves, and not both all types of properly oriented
>waves, you will reveal the vast depths of your ignorance in the field.

 The point that this guy probably wants to bring up, but can't, since he
 doesn't know too much, is that a bomb explosion at ground level produces
 P-waves almost exclusively. The energy comes from a (relatively) point
 source, and is compressional in nature. There is no slippage along fault
 lines which would give rise to shearing forces, and from what I've been
 able to find out, the sandstone underlying OKC and Norman is fairly iso-
 tropic, that is, the waves which travel through it, do so with equal speed
 in all directions. These two facts would tend to rule out S-wave production
 by the P-wave as it travels through the sandstone.

 So what we see on the seismographic data from FNO at between 9:00:52 and
 9:02:25 CDT on 19 April 1995 can be ascribed to P-waves, Rayleigh waves,
 and surface acoustic waves alone. I've run through the calculations before
 and am not interested in repeating them here. Perhaps Mr Rivero has archived
 them.

 The recent demolition of the AMFB rules out the impulse of the building
 striking the ground as a cause for the second major event on the 19th of
 April, by the way.

 So now, it looks like there are very few reasonable alternative explanations
 for the second major event, save for the P-waves from a second explosion.

 Anyone care to refute this?

 If so, please provide your data and show your math....

>John DeLaughter


From cwlockett@aol.com Tue May 30 23:07:13 EDT 1995
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From: cwlockett@aol.com (CW Lockett)
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Subject: Chattahoochee River, Georgia U.S.
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Having grown up on the Potomac River, once named the foulest in the U.S.,
and now making a comeback thanks to Clean Water Act and other measure, it
disheartens me to no end to know that fish for 50 miles downstream of
Atlanta are inedible. Does anyone here work with the Georgia Riverkeeper
or know anyone who does? I'm interested in canoeing the whole river 300+
miles - it empties into the Gulf of Mexico - and want to know if anyone
would like to arrange a deal where I could be part of any studies of water
purity, pesticide runoff, etc. over the length of the river.

Email me, I'll fill you in on my background.

Thanks in advance,
Chris Lockett


From southdar@tyrell.net Tue May 30 23:07:15 EDT 1995
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>,
Michel <an113354@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>
>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>>boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
>>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:
>
>It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
>they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
>and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

.........material omitted
That is what a person, who claims to be an alien abductee and that
the governemnt is killing people to cover up the Roswell Incident, 
keeps telling me when I dispute his claims about UFOs.  His chief 
argument for a conspiracy is the lack of evidence, because only a
conspiritorial coverup could produce such a lack of evidence. 

However, the burning question that I have is why this thread is posted to;
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and sci.bio.fisheries?  Were the Fish and 
Wildlife people in on this?

Sincerely Yours
Darby South
Baton Rouge.


From salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu Tue May 30 23:07:16 EDT 1995
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From: salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu (James J Montgomery)
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Subject: dead brown trout. necropsy?
Date: 31 May 1995 02:51:59 GMT
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Hey all,

	Today I  found a dead brown trout in a stream that I spend a lot 
of time on.  It had just recently died, as rigor mortis hadn't set in 
yet.  The fish was 13" long (big for this small river), wild, male (kype) 
and in excellent condition.  There was no evidence of hooking injury, nor 
any open wounds from birds, etc.   This fish had two bleach marks on his 
dorsal side, on anterior to his dorsal fin and one posterior to it.  the 
marks were perhaps a quarter inch by half inch.  The distal ends of each 
of his fins were also bleached out, perhaps the the distal fifth or 
quarter.  The pool he was in had recently been stocked with rainbow 
trout.  Does anyone have any idea what caused this fish's death?


				-jamie (salmo@student.umass.edu)


From rdebay@vnet.ibm.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:51 EDT 1995
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In <D9CGuC.9Lz@tyrell.net>, southdar@tyrell.net (southdar) writes:
>In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>,
>Michel <an113354@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>>
>>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>>>boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:

[snip]

>However, the burning question that I have is why this thread is posted to;
>rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and sci.bio.fisheries?  Were the Fish and 
>Wildlife people in on this?

Any good conspiracist knows that BATF REALLY stands for the
             Bureau of Anglers and Trout Fisherman.
Do you think it a coincidence that the supposed bomb was assembled
at a local lake?  Hmmm?

>Sincerely Yours
>Darby South
>Baton Rouge.


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From payne@winnie.fit.edu Wed Jun 21 23:20:53 EDT 1995
Article: 318 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: payne@winnie.fit.edu (Ronald Payne)
Subject: Re: Dissolved oxygen test
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In article <3qiahu$334@eaglecap.eosc.osshe.edu> twelch@emily.eosc.osshe.edu (Tim Welch) writes:
>
>We are looking for a dissolved oxygen test that is easier than the Winkler
>method. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> --
>PEERS Project Media Specialist          All I know is that I know nothing
>                                        and I am not even sure of that.
>EOSC LaGrande, OR                       Socrates  
>twelch@eose.osshe.edu

Have you considered electronic DO probes.

-- 
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From The_Midget@coffee.urn.edu Wed Jun 21 23:20:53 EDT 1995
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Tom FRY wrote:
>Logical questions - how did this fucking swine decide that
>rec.outdoors.fishing.fly was a fine place to post his drivel? Please in
>future confine your hooey to
>alt.frightening.cocksuckers.with.guns.and.no.balls.and.definitely.no.brains
>and leave *this* forum to fishermen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, this anonymous cocksucker *is* fishing (or trolling, as we
prefer to say over here in alt.folklore.urban). Apologies to the
freshwater fishers who prefer to catch trouts, carps and other
non-virtual fish. But then, naming a newsfroup *.*.fishing.* is
looking for trouble: a little bit like revealing your secret spots :-)

And now, a small best-of list of the catch, intended for the sensible
people who killfiled the thread long ago:

Good observer award to atticus@mindspring.com for recognizing this
thread for what it was. But why did he get caught later?

Worst troubleshooter award to our beloved carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU,
for blaming an extra "i", a missing "a" and a missing "m" on a sticky
"e" key on his terminal :-)

Subtle joke award to HorsebackRider@netcom.com for posting a triple
grep bait, disguised as a "get out of this group" message.
(Un)fortunately, nobody fell for it. How many search strings can you
find?

Lame computer/real-world analogy award to carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
(again) for comaparing the relationship between computers and their
operating system to the relationship between a GM truck and a TV set
that it happens to transport. When I look under the hood of my GM
truck, I find an engine, not a TV! But maybe the TV set is right beside
the VIN on the rear axle :-)

Best psychologer award to boylel@Primenet.Com. He stuck to his guns,
even after the troller predicted that he would again psychoanalyse
him. Stuck to his guns? But he is a "gummint apologetic" (tm) !

Goedel award to mpage@magi.com. After the fisherman predicted somebody
would again challenge his mental sanity, she went ahead went and
challenged his physical sanity...


Followups redirected to alt.folklore.urban (where this belongs),
alt.test (some fish will jump right into my basket!) and bburg.bev.general
(see below).

A few hints for the victims:
- Annoyed by posts in irrelevant froups? Use killfiles!
- Annoyed by being tricked to post into irrelevant froups? Use a
newsreader (such as tin) which warns you about multiple froups when
posting. Unfortunately there is no newsreader yet which warns you
about keyword. But fortunately keywords cannot be used with anon postings.
- Annoyed by offensive articles showing up in local newsfroups of your
peaceful and idyllic hometown? Maybe it's because you tried to censor
free speech by banning certain newsfroups from sid town? (sorry, I
have a sticky "e" key). Alt.conspiracy is like a ouija board: you can't
get rid of it. If you throw it out of the window, it comes back
through the front door!


 The Midget (tm)


From djones@rsmas.miami.edu Wed Jun 21 23:20:54 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Fish Length & Weight Measuring
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In article <3qhj2o$n1q@noc.tor.hookup.net>, 
rpb@hookup.net says...
>
>I am conducting a survey on what type of 
international market there is
>for an improved method, say an electronic method, for 
quickly and
>efficiently getting fish length, weight, species 
codes, and specimen
>attributes from the field into a a computer without 
the need for a
>paper/pen methodology.
>
>If a person could collect large numbers of fish 
lengths and have them
>computer ready within minutes, would anybody be 
interested?
>
>Thanks
>
>Ray.

I'm not sure what type of market exists for such 
devices, but there are already electronic units 
currently available which lets one rapidly record fish 
lengths and then download the data into a computer for 
storage and analysis...very similar to the digital 
calipers currently available.

Dave



From abrunett@ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:55 EDT 1995
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Would all of you conspiracy fans please clean up your posting list? 

alt.horses,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, sci.bio.fisheries really are not
relevant to or interested in this line of discussion.  Have some
manners, please.




From grenard@herpmed.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:56 EDT 1995
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From scaldwell@dow.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:58 EDT 1995
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From: scaldwell@dow.com (stevec)
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Subject: Re: Dissolved oxygen test
Date: 1 Jun 1995 14:04:30 GMT
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In article <3qiahu$334@eaglecap.eosc.osshe.edu>, twelch@emily.eosc.osshe.edu (Tim Welch) writes:
>
>We are looking for a dissolved oxygen test that is easier than the Winkler
>method. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> --
>PEERS Project Media Specialist          All I know is that I know nothing
>                                        and I am not even sure of that.
>EOSC LaGrande, OR                       Socrates  
>twelch@eose.osshe.edu

Depends. I have worked with activated sludge wastetreatment systems and found
that meters are the way to go, but you get what you pay for, usually. They can
be a trick lot! One of the problems with using a meter is that you have to know
something about the total dissolved solids in the the water you want to measure 
oxygen in if you want a really accurate measurement. Unlike the classical
Winkler test where you use a known volume of water and then determine the
milligrams of oxygen in it, you are measuring the partial pressure of oxygen
dissolved in the water as a function of its percent saturation. Temperature and
dissolved solids affect the saturation concentration. Many of the available
probes are temperature compensated, and some have a "compensation" adjustment
for salinity ( a form of TDS) to adjust an air calibration for the change in
saturation concentration from chlorinity. 

The BIGGIE is the calibration procedure chosen. We found in our research that
there were two acceptable approaches for us. The first was to calibrate the
probe to read 100% saturation or some arbitrary concentration, like 8 ppm, in a
sample of the water that had been filtered and aerated vigorously. Then the
sample was measured and the other critical parameters (temperature and TDS)
were measured. TDS was measured in filtered sample using a refractometer. The
actual O2 was then calculated on a PC using the equations given in "Standard
Methods for Examination of Water and Wastewater". This worked well for
evaluating samples that varied a lot from one another. The second method was
to calibrate in air using a table created on the PC that corrected for
temperature and TDS.

If your samples don't vary a lot, a **well maintained** probe is very
convenient to use and may give you the relief your looking for. If you have
samples that vary in composition a lot, or you must conform to some particular
protocol, it may not be the answer. As long as I was working in wastewater
treatment research, we never were able to totally resolve differences between
the Winkler test and the electrode. We chose to use the electrode.

A lot of companies make good probes, but one word of caution. My experience
with the Leeds & Northrup / L G Nester probes was that when they fail, they
don't fail catastrophically. It has been about 6 yrs since I used them, but it
was perplexing at first. The probe would begin to drift a lot, then one day we
would discover that the probe was not responding to step changes in
concentration, even though it appeared to calibrate. I liked the units, and 
if they have fixed the problem or have a procedure for identifying a failing
probe, I would recommend the units.

Your needs might be met with a standard Clark oxygen electrode, like the YSI
units use. These are used by a lot of folks, and were not as expensive as the 
L&N units were at the time I was using them. We were working with with a really
tough system - hot brine in an pure oxygen activated sludge system. It was a
trip.

I know this is long, but just to offer a simple answer might be misleading.

Steve 


From neiln@pinn.nacjack.gen.nz Wed Jun 21 23:20:59 EDT 1995
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From: neiln@pinn.nacjack.gen.nz (Neil Newman)
Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
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In <3qcsuc$rl@news.acns.nwu.edu> jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu (John DeLaughter) writes:

>In short, as long as you continue to argue that a seismometer can only
>recieve P- or S- waves, and not both all types of properly oriented
>waves, you will reveal the vast depths of your ignorance in the field.

>John DeLaughter

Would the person who keeps shuffling the postings to this thread^H^Hflamewar
into random order before despatching them to the Pinnacle Club please desist?
It is very confusing and makes my colander itch.
Also, if there is anyone out there who has any idea what the *fark* John
is going on about, would they kindly leave?
Thank you.

Neil "Whose depth of ignorance extends at least to the *Moho*" Newman
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From seacsea@halcyon.com Wed Jun 21 23:21:00 EDT 1995
Article: 325 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Could someone please tell me where a good source on open ocean
fisheries is?

	Jonathan




From nlowry@inet.uni-c.dk Wed Jun 21 23:21:01 EDT 1995
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From: nlowry@inet.uni-c.dk (Nicholas Lowry)
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Subject: Re: Fish Length & Weight Measuring
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Raymond P. Burkholder (rpb@hookup.net) wrote:
: I am conducting a survey on what type of international market there is
: for an improved method, say an electronic method, for quickly and
: efficiently getting fish length, weight, species codes, and specimen
: attributes from the field into a a computer without the need for a
: paper/pen methodology.

: If a person could collect large numbers of fish lengths and have them
: computer ready within minutes, would anybody be interested?

: Thanks

: Ray.

: ---------
: Raymond P. Burkholder            Computer Consultant
: Burkholder Technical Services    rpb@hookup.net
: Kitchener, ON

: "Data latency .. is defined as anything greater than 83 ps/inch
: ( the speed of light )"  Ray Alderman in EET.

We collect lots of this sort of data. We try computer methods every now 
and then and always come back to the good old measuring board for 
recording lengths and put this data into a computer from the paper copy. 
The problem is that most sophisticated measuring units fall to bits on a 
trawler in the North Sea in a gale, or are too big to install on anything 
but a research vessel (A new french boat has a system I believe) 

Now If anyone came up with a good system we'd jump at it. We might even 
help to develop one if you asked nicely :-)

Nick.
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From drowan@nmsu.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:03 EDT 1995
Article: 327 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: drowan@nmsu.edu (Don E. Rowan)
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Subject: Cluster Analysis
Date: 3 Jun 1995 23:38:49 GMT
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Does anyone out there have a name and author of a good, current, 
statistical reference on cluster analysis?  please forward comments to my 
e-mail (drowan@nmsu.edu)


From akim@sun.lclark.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:04 EDT 1995
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From: akim@sun.lclark.edu (Anthony Kim)
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Subject: naive q. re fish oxygen
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Please excuse this hopelessly naive query, but are fish able to capture 
the O's in H2O as their source of oxygen?  I have been told by somebody 
who raises fish that stagnant water loses its oxygen value for fish.  I 
recognize that this sounds correct, but how is this so?  Can one store 
water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as a source of 
oxygen for fish?
I apologize once again for these questions.  I realize that I could go 
out and spend hours looking this stuff up, but suspect that some one here 
has it on tip of fingers.


From burrows@bcu.ubc.ca Wed Jun 21 23:21:05 EDT 1995
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From: burrows@bcu.ubc.ca (Jeff Burrows)
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Subject: Re: naive q. re fish oxygen
Date: 15 Jun 1995 06:52:45 GMT
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Anthony Kim <akim@sun.lclark.edu> wrote:
>are fish able to capture 
>the O's in H2O as their source of oxygen?

No. Fish use oxygen that has dissolved in the water.
Aquatic plants provide some, but mainly it comes out of
air.

>I have been told by somebody who raises fish that stagnant water loses
>its oxygen value for fish.  I recognize that this sounds correct, but
>how is this so?

The bacteria that consume dead algae use up oxygen.
They can use up all the oxygen in fact, in a pond or lake.
Warm water holds less oxygen than cold water.
Depends what 'stagnant' means.

>Can one store water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as
>a source of oxygen for fish?

Can't see why not. 

If you want to know more, check out _Limnology_ by RG Wetzel,
chapter 9 "Oxygen."

	-Jeff.


From dbonar@olympus.net Wed Jun 21 23:21:06 EDT 1995
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From: dbonar@olympus.net (Dale B. Bonar)
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Subject: Re: Wanted:  Fish Clipart
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In article <3rlc0d$d4k@news.tamu.edu>,
   "Shepherd R. Grimes" <sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu> wrote:
>In addition to files available as corel draw clip art the National Marine 
>Fisheries Service has several hundred fish species images (black and 
>white only) available in a compressed tiff format.  I have these images 
>myself at work and would be more than glad to provide you with the 
>information as to how you can obtain them and how much it will set you 
>back, or I can place some of them at our ftp site for you to get.  
>I'm sorry I cannot inform you as to which ones on you list are 
>included but at present I am at home.  Please email me if you are still 
>interested.
>

I suspect this information is of substantial interest to many others than 
myself and would like to see the info posted here.  Thanks!
Dale


From marifh@rosa.nbr.no Wed Jun 21 23:21:07 EDT 1995
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Anthony Kim (akim@sun.lclark.edu) wrote:
: Please excuse this hopelessly naive query, but are fish able to capture 
: the O's in H2O as their source of oxygen?  I have been told by somebody 
: who raises fish that stagnant water loses its oxygen value for fish.  I 
: recognize that this sounds correct, but how is this so?  Can one store 
: water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as a source of 
: oxygen for fish?
: I apologize once again for these questions.  I realize that I could go 
: out and spend hours looking this stuff up, but suspect that some one here 
: has it on tip of fingers.

The oxygen in H2O is not available to any fish. The fish uses dissolved 
oxygen O2.

T.Pedersen


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From: "Kenneth D. Ham" <hamkd@ornl.gov>
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Regarding the NMFS fish images:

I think some of the images you are referring to are available on the web at

<http://kingfish.ssp.nmfs.gov/fish.html>

The title of this document suggests that it concentrates on southeast fishes. There 
may be other regions in another location, but I haven't checked.

Kenneth Ham




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For a project defining "best practices" lake management, I would be interested
in hearing any suggestions of techniques and/or references regarding control
of milfoil sp. (especially). And are there clear ways to tell the difference
between milfoil spp, since aquatic biologists have identified the same samples
as diff species.... The focus is on weed control, but exotic fauna are also a
problem the project addresses.

Thanks.

Any replies would be appreciated--to me or by e-mail to mmattson@resgs.umass.edu
who is actually doing the project.

--John
jrc@tei.umass.edu


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From: "A.J.Cann" <nna@le.ac.uk>
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akim@sun.lclark.edu (Anthony Kim) wrote:
>Can one store water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as > a source of oxygen for fish?

Freezing water, like boiling it, tends to drive out most of the dissolved oxygen, or more accurately, AIR (look at those air bubbles=
 in the ice cubes in your martini). It would probably be best to mechanically reoxygenate thawed water before using it for fish.

Dr Alan J. Cann  PhD,   Department of Microbiology & Immunology,
University of Leicester,  P.O. Box 138,  Medical Sciences Building,
University Road, Leicester LE1 9HN,  UK.
Email: nna@le.ac.uk     http://www.le.ac.uk/CWIS/AD/MI/ST/nna.html




From sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:11 EDT 1995
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From: "Shepherd R. Grimes" <sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu>
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Information on the tiff images mentioned in one of my earlier postings 
(how to order them etc.)and a hard copy of what they look like may 
obtained through contacting: 

National Marine Fisheries Service
Southeast Fisheries Science Center
75 Virginia Beach Drive
Miami, FL 33149

The report itself is cited as:

Massey, Larry L. and Douglass Harper. 1993. Selected computer images of  
      southeastern U.S.marine fishes. NOAA Technical Memorandum          
      NMFS-SEFSC-333, 49pp.

Species (by common name) include the following:

albacore                 American eel
Atlantic bonito          Atlantic bumper
Atlantic cutlassfish     Atlantic mackerel
ballyhoo                 bandtail puffer
barbfish                 Bermuda chub
bigeye scad              black drum
black margate            black sea bass
blue runner              blue tang
bluefish                 bluestriped grunt
bonefish                 cero
chub mackerel            common snook
coral scorpionfish       crevalle jack
croaker                  freckled soapfish
French angelfish         frigate mackerel
fringed flounder         gafftopsail catfish
gag                      goosehead scorpionfish
grass porgy              gray snapper
great barracuda          gulf menhaden
hardhead catfish         hogfish
honycomb cowfish         horned dogfish
horse-eye jack           houndfish
inshore lizardfish       jewfish
jolthead porgy           king mackerel
ladyfish                 lane snapper
lined sole               little tunny
littlehead porgy         longspine porgy
lookdown                 margate
moonfish                 mountain mullet
mutton snapper           nurse shark
palometa                 permit
pigfish                  pinfish
planehead filefish       plumed scorpionfish
porcupinefish            porkfish
queen snapper            rainbow parrotfish
red drum                 red grouper
red porgy                red snapper
rock hind                sailfin blenny
sailors choice           sand perch
sand whiff               saucereye porgy
schoolmaster             scup
sergeant major           sharksucker
sheepshead porgy         sheepshead
silverstripe halfbeak    skipjack tuna
slippery dick            smallmouth grunt
smalltooth sawfish       smooth dogfish
smooth puffer            smooth trunkfish
southern flounder        Spanish mackerel
spinycheek sleeper       spot
spottail pinfish         spotted eagle ray
spotted moray            spotted seatrout
striped bass             striped burrfish 
striped mullet           surf eel
tarpon                   tomtate
tripletail               trumpetfish
trunkfish                vermilion snapper
warsaw grouper           white grunt
white mullet             white-eye goby
whiting                  yellowtail snapper


I hope this proves useful to some of you.

Thanks,

Shep Grimes



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I would like to have the names of any fisheries, aquacultur or other fish 
oriented public companies.

Thanks

Sebastien Demers
Sebastien_demers@mindlink.bc.ca




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In <DA4pME.3xJ@microsoft.com> toneys@microsoft.com (Toney Sisk) writes:

>I want to build a spawning channel on a small lake.
>The inlet is small, about a yard across. I want to 
>use log weirs with notches and little else.  How
>far apart should the logs be?  How far should they
>extend into the bank, and how anchored?  How big a pool
>should I expect will be developed if I do things right?
>Will I need to bring in gravel for improving the spawning
>bed, or will the weirs clean them out for me?

>If you have some answers to steer me in the right direction,
>great.  Or maybe you know a book title that details spawning
>channel construction.

>toney  


toney,

Unfortunately, you forgot to inform us as to what species of fish you wish
to encourage in your spawning channel.  Some information about gradient and
flow rate in the incoming stream might also be useful.-- 
				|
Dave Fluri			|	"No me agaro ya de nada, para
North Bay, Ontario, Canada	|	 asi no tener nada que defender."
				|		-Carlos Castaneda


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In designing spawning channels for chum salmon, we (WDFW) have been using 
clean, washed rounded gravel of the following gradation:

     40%   1/4" - 3/4"
     45%   3/4" - 1 1/2"
     15%   1 1/2" - 3"

One of the biologists here has heard that the Canadians are finding increased
egg-to-fry survival when pit- or river-run material is used.  Can anyone 
corroborate this and provide a citation or contact so that I can follow up??

Thanks,

Kevin Lautz, PE
Habitat Program
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife



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In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:

It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

>=>
>=> You forgot my small surprise quizz, to prove that at least you know
>=>something about VAXen :)
>=>
>=
>=This side attack is quite revealing. 

Ah, the pop psychoanalysis continues. Probably so that he can claim
that it's not an ad hominem attack but rather the result of a careful
deduction.

>= Do you care at all about convicing
>=people that the bombing was a dark conspiracy, or do you just like
>=pretending that you know more than anybody else? 

I care about convincing that the bombing was a conspiracy, but in
this occasion I just wanted to make fun of somebody's stupid
signature.

>= I'm sure you find it
>=very comforting in the short term, but it doesn't really address your
>=underlying need for acceptance.  
>=
>=Is there somebody that you can talk to about this?
 Psychoanalysis again.

>
>To respond toi his sid quiz, it was yet another example of his babbling.  I

Aren't we getting a little bit nervous here? Spelling errors can be
quite revealing. (Sorry for the psychoing...)

>claim to understand VAXen and VMS.  His "quiz" had little to do with either:  I                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>was a question about a security bug in an O/S other than VMS that happened to
>run on VAXen.
        ^^^
Isn't there a small contradiction here? (Not that it is relevant to
the bombing, I'm just picking nits...)

So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
phenomenon would only be marginal.

Of course Carl will respond that I don't really understand the words
I write. Probable candidates are the words ad hominem, S-wave, P-wave,
psychoanalysis, and why not VAXen and VMS. Probably I'm just a team of
monkeys banging away at my keyboard. Hey, a few more candidate words.

Probably lots of other people will try to find comfort by showing
their pop knowlege of psychology.

Of course people don't want to appear to be predictable (sorry for the
psychoing), and will try to react differently. Or maybe some won't get
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From seliason@awod.com Wed Jun 21 23:21:18 EDT 1995
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In article <D9tJMC.5II@ritz.mordor.com>, joseph@ritz.mordor.com (Joseph Limandri) says:
>
>Joseph Limandri (joseph@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:

>: Pond #2:
>: Blue gills and other feed
>: Small mouth bass
>: Perch
>: Channel catfish
>: Pike/muskie (about 30 of one of them)
>: Gold fish
>:       I think the small mouth would make for a longer fishing season at 
>: the pond since they don't mind the colder water.  The only problem is I 
>: am not sure how deep to make it for the small mouths and how to ensure 
>: that they will spawn.  I am also not sure whether if I need to put sand 
>or rocks to assure they spawn.
>:       Your advice/opinion will be appreciated


  Hi,

  We successfully spawned Smallmouth this past season in a large raceway
so my theory is that they will spawn in the pond given the right 
substrate.  You can do this very easily and it won't cost a lot of money
either.  Get some 1" PVC pipe, 4 elbows, and some black fiberglass screen.  
Build a 2' X 2" square and use contact cement to attach the screen to fit
tight around the square.  Cover the screen with river rock and place the
nest in about 4' of water.  They will spawn on the nests. Put out as many 
as you like and re-use them year after year.

Hope this helps,

-Steve-


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Is there any one who is interested in growing abalonies in Iceland?

If you are then contackt me.  karlst@itn.is




From rdiehl@uiuc.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:20 EDT 1995
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To Whom it may concern,

I am interested in responding to the original question asked earlier
concerning creels.  I am currently running the creel survey for the
Illinois Department of Conservation and would be happy to answer any
questions.

P.J. Perea

Please respond to me at p-perea@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu


From jackson@zoo.toronto.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:21 EDT 1995
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From: jackson@zoo.toronto.edu (Donald Jackson)
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In article <3rrogr$d3@ipgate.le.ac.uk> "A.J.Cann" <nna@le.ac.uk> writes:
>akim@sun.lclark.edu (Anthony Kim) wrote:
>>Can one store water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as > a source of oxygen for fish?
>
>Freezing water, like boiling it, tends to drive out most of the dissolved oxygen, or more accurately, AIR (look at those air bubbles=
> in the ice cubes in your martini). It would probably be best to mechanically reoxygenate thawed water before using it for fish.

Given the amount of energy required to freeze the water in the first
place, it would be far more efficient to simply aerate in a mechanical
fashion.  In fact, it would probably be less expensive venting pure
oxygen gas into the water than to use some kind of freezing approach.

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In addition to files available as corel draw clip art the National Marine 
Fisheries Service has several hundred fish species images (black and 
white only) available in a compressed tiff format.  I have these images 
myself at work and would be more than glad to provide you with the 
information as to how you can obtain them and how much it will set you 
back, or I can place some of them at our ftp site for you to get.  
I'm sorry I cannot inform you as to which ones on you list are 
included but at present I am at home.  Please email me if you are still 
interested.



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I am a High School teacher who wants a group of jokes, riddles, puns, 
etc. that relates to physical and/or biological oceanography which can be 
used to entertain and interest high school marine ecology students. 
For example: What tool could you use to saw the ocean in half? A sea saw!

ok, ok, how about "What do you call an eye doctor living in the Bering 
Straits? An optical Aleutian!!

Good humor or bad humor, all is appreciated! Thanks! 

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Phillip Cox   Email:coxx9100@spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov




From salmo@swcp.com Wed Jun 21 23:21:24 EDT 1995
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From: salmo@swcp.com (Lee Lewis)
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Subject: Re: naive q. re fish oxygen
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A worthy inquiry, but H2O is not an available souce of O2 for fish.
Oxygen is dissolved in water, and stagnant water will undergo many
conditions dependent on temperture, primary productivity,
decomposition, and nutrient imput.  I suggest you obtain a textbook on
limnology such as Wetzel and go from there.  Good luck!




akim@sun.lclark.edu (Anthony Kim) wrote:

>Please excuse this hopelessly naive query, but are fish able to capture 
>the O's in H2O as their source of oxygen?  I have been told by somebody 
>who raises fish that stagnant water loses its oxygen value for fish.  I 
>recognize that this sounds correct, but how is this so?  Can one store 
>water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as a source of 
>oxygen for fish?
>I apologize once again for these questions.  I realize that I could go 
>out and spend hours looking this stuff up, but suspect that some one here 
>has it on tip of fingers.

Lee Lewis



From dw137@umail.umd.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:25 EDT 1995
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From: dw137@umail.umd.edu (Dave Wolf)
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I am a recent grad (Dec. 1993)  with a dgree in marine biology. I would
like to pursue a career in aquaculture..probably inverts(oysters). I am
seeking advice on the best way to go abuot this.
What are the best MS programs out there?
Is an MS what I want?
What other kinds of training are available?
Any other advice?
Responses by e-mail would be great but please put my name..Hans.. in the
subject line so it gets into my mailbox.

Thank You in advance
Hans Lemke

____________________________________________________________________
Dave Wolf
AVHRR Land Pathdfinder Coor.
University of Maryland at College Park
Department of Geography
dw137@umail.umd.edu


From carey@magicnet.net Thu Jun 22 23:05:26 EDT 1995
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  I have been told by somebody 
>who raises fish that stagnant water loses its oxygen value for fish.  I 

Dissolved oxygen is measured on a scale of 0-12ppm.  During the 
day plants produce oxygen and use carbon dioxide 
(photosynthesis).  At night the opposite occurrs.  The level of 
dissolved oxygen can be influenced by these factors as well as 
many others ie. decomposing materials use oxygen, warmer 
temperatures hold less oxygen, a cloudy day.



From sisk@scn.org Thu Jun 22 23:05:29 EDT 1995
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I've heard the small mouth bass are under stress
now because it is very difficult or impossible
to breed them in a hatchery, and their habitat
is fast dwindling (small wonder).  Is this true?
I just love catching and releasing these hearty fighters.


From torhundst@login.eunet.no Fri Jun 23 22:49:30 EDT 1995
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From: torhundst@login.eunet.no (Tor Hundstad)
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I'm translating an episode of Quincy, and I'd like to know if the fish 
"Slender tuna" or Alothinus sellae (probably misspelt, I had to take it by 
ear). Quincy says that a school of them came in to L.A., and that is supposed 
to be something very rare.

I'd like replies to my other mail adress: torh@oslonett.no, because I usually 
haven't access to the adress I'm using now. Answers will be greatly 
appreciated. Thank you very much.


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           Tor with the hammer, the Newfie and the Mastiff.            
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From wmaples@sun.cc.westga.edu Thu Jul  6 12:02:31 EDT 1995
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From: wmaples@sun.cc.westga.edu (Bill Maples)
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Back in the 1930's and 40's my father was a commercial fisherman on the 
Missouri River, Jefferson City, Missouri; not a good living by any means.  But 
I do have pleasant memories of feeling large fish on "trotlines".  Strict laws 
governed the length and numbers of trotlines in addition to the number of 
hooks.  In addition, only certain fish were legal for sale: Carp, Buffolo, 
German Buffolo, Mud Catfish, Yellow Catfish, Flat-head Catfish, Blue Catfish, 
Drum, Sturgeon, Gar, and Eel. We would often catch Spoonbill Catfish, Channel 
Catfish, and Jack Salmon, but these could only be sold on the "black market". 
Finally, the questions.

1.  Does the Missouri River still support commercial fishing?
2.  If so, what legal limitations are set for method of fishing.
3.  What fish are given commercial status.
4.  What are the correct names of the fish delineated above.

Just reminiscing.

Bill  


From kohuts@bnr.ca Thu Jul  6 12:02:34 EDT 1995
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I am the chair person of the fish & wildlife committee for 
our lake association in eastern Ontario.
Our lake  has both natural & stocked lake trout in it.
We have noticed over the years that there has been an increase
in the the amount of "slime" or algae type substance on the 
rocks through out the lake. 


       1) Will this affect the spawning of the lake trout?

       2) Is there been any studies on this subject that
          I could obtain?

       3) If this slime is affecting the spawning of the 
          lake trout is there anything that would help
          the spawning?



							thanks
							steve
-- 
                                           Steve       
                                           Mail: skohut@bnr.ca
                                           Bell-Northern Research Ltd.



From Pavilion_sub@pavilion.co.uk Thu Jul  6 12:02:37 EDT 1995
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> >In <3skhgg$t5p@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> pinto@acf4.nyu.edu (pinto) wrote: 
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi, I'm interested in learning more about fisheries and fish farming.
> >>I would like to find some reading material, books and periodicals
> >>related to fisheries. Would anyone know of a mail-order place that I
> >>could start looking at? How about names of books that give a clear
> >>understanding of this complex subject? 
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Trevor




Trevor,
You could try contacting Fishing News Books at:
Blackwell Science
Osney Mead
Oxford
OX2 0EL
UK

Tel +44 1865 206206
Fax +44 1865 206096

You could also contact EMAP Heighway, publishers of Fishing News
International and Fish Farming International, who would send you a couple
of sample issues on request. They are at:
EMAP Heighway
Meed House
21 John Street
London WC1N 2BP
UK

Tel +44 171 404 5513
Fax +44 171 404 9362

It is a complex subject, good luck,
Q                       <quentin@pavilion.co.uk>


From sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu Thu Jul  6 12:02:38 EDT 1995
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From: "Shepherd R. Grimes" <sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu>
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Subject: Commercial Fisheries Worldwide
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    I recently read a posting entitled Fish I Remember.  It discussed 
commercial species once upon a time in Missouri.  This, and the 
noticeable decline in postings to the group encouraged me to post this 
article that briefly addressed the plight of commercial fishermen, mainly 
but not exclusively within the U.S..  I hope my comments stimulate some 
discussion as this group appears to be suffering from 
"internet-slackitis".  Although I do admit, at least in academia, summer 
can be a busy catch-up time.

    Commercial fishermen across the planet have traditionally provided a 
important source of food for many people, and often times it has been 
those who are less well off who have benefitted the most.  These 
commercial operations have also created many jobs, stimulating the 
economies of the regions in which they are located.

    Now it seems that many citizens and governments, such as in 
California, Texas, Florida and potentially Louisiana have turned their 
back on commercial fishermen.  The trend now seems to be to restrict 
commercial harvest so that the more influential and economically 
important recreational fishermen can increase their harvest, or at least 
have that option.  Is this environmental protection or is it more a case 
of allocation to a more influential sector, is their a difference 
politically.  Is their no other option?  Is it true that commercial 
fishermen have done this to themselves through raping the seas?  Maybe we 
should look to Scandinavian countries who have had sustained commercial 
fisheries for longer than the U.S. has been an independent nation.  They 
appear to have had much more success in managing such common pool 
resources.  Just because something is economically and politically the 
best move, does that make it equitable???

Just something to think about.


In case you are interested these are more new regulations of commercial 
fisheries.  These were originally put together and posted to a local 
listserve type group to which I belong.

       Alabama Gill Net Limits.  On June 29,
1995, the Alabama State
Legislature unanimously approved a bill limiting
gill nets in State coastal waters to prevent an
influx of vessels prohibited from fishing in other
Gulf
States.  Alabama license applicants will have to
prove that held a valid
Alabama license for at least two years between
1989 and 1993 and prove that at least 50% of
income is earned from fishing; certain part-time
fishermen will be allowed to continue netting for
18 months.  [Assoc Press]
        .
        Rhode Island License Limitation.  On June
29, 1995, officials in
Governor Almond's office indicated that the
Governor will sign into law a measure imposing a
three-year moratorium on new commercial fishing
licenses for the State of Rhode Island; the
measure would take effect July 1,
1995. [Assoc Press]
        .
        China Closes Fishery.  On June 27, 1995,
the Chinese Bureau of
Fisheries officials announced the two-month
closure, beginning July 1, of a 14- square-mile
area in the northern East China Sea.  This is the
first Chinese marine fishery closure and seeks to
limit excessive catch of hairtail fish.
[Reuters]
        .



From vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Thu Jul  6 12:02:40 EDT 1995
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From: Greg Van Eeckhout <vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
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Anyone here involved in work on Oahe reservior in SD?, if so can you 
give me any info on how the walleye and forage fish are doing with the 
water back up over the last few years? thanks Greg




From ckmcg@ahbqs.com Thu Jul  6 12:02:41 EDT 1995
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From: ckmcg@ahbqs.com (Charles McGuire)
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Info on fisheries and aquaculture:International Aquaculture Services

IAS is a provider of comprehensive technical services to entrepreneurs 
in aquaculture and fisheries industry.  IAS associates are experienced 
in design, management and national seafood marketing.

mail inquires to :

IAS 
4753 Shawnee Way
Boise, Id 83709

208-362-8618 vs
208-362-5650 fax
ckmcg@ahbqs.com



From Tim_Bekhuys@mindlink.bc.ca Thu Jul  6 12:02:43 EDT 1995
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From: Tim_Bekhuys@mindlink.bc.ca (Tim Bekhuys)
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I am a wildlife biologist interested in geting some CHEAP (ie. cheap to build) fish ladder design.  I am working on a project in B.C. Canadad which has a 5' weir of which I would like to build a laddder for Coho and potentially anadromous trout.  Thanks for your help.. Please respond by e-mail (address attached). 


From Tghynes@execpc.com Thu Jul  6 12:02:45 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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kirst@ix.netcom.com (Douglas Kirst) wrote:

>In <3skhgg$t5p@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> pinto@acf4.nyu.edu (pinto) writes: 
>>
>>
>>Hi, I'm interested in learning more about fisheries and fish farming.
>>I would like to find some reading material, books and periodicals
>>related to fisheries. Would anyone know of a mail-order place that I
>>could start looking at? How about names of books that give a clear
>>understanding of this complex subject? 
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Trevor

>Some books that I have used that relate to Fishery Sciences are,
>"Principles of Fishery Science" by Everhart & Youngs, Cornell
>University Press, or "Fisheries Techniques" by Nielsen & Johnson, ed.,
>American Fisheries Society.  These are only a sample of the books
>available for reading.
>If you want to learn more about this subject contact the Fishery
>Educators Section of the American Fisheries Society.  

>Doug 

Doug,

Would you have a location or address for the American
Fisheries Society?



From Tghynes@execpc.com Thu Jul  6 12:02:47 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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johnso38@muvms6.wvnet.edu wrote:

>My name is F. Wayne Johnson, M.A.  I have a Masters degree in Psychology and
>work as a supervised Psychologist at Huntington State Hospital in Huntington
>WV. I Am in the planning stages of proposing a grant to build a hatchery for
>Angelfish and Discus in my home state. I am wanting to provide a sheltered
>workshop environment for persons with mental illness that will empower them in
>daily life.  If any one has any information as to the source of plans to build
>a large hatchery using local labor please respond.
>F. Wayne Johnson, M.A.
>Milton, West Virginia

Mr. Johnson,

Look up library subjects fish et al and aquaculture.  Next
try the Department of Natural Resources (or whatever group
regulates and stewards lakes, forests, etc in your state.
Or, try calling the Soil Conservation Service in your state,
here in WI they routinely help with ponds.  Next any
University Extension and then try the state business
development group. Most state's have them and "Aqua-culture"
has been a hot button for a while now.  Hope this helps.

Tom

If none of the government routes are helpful, then try some
fishing clubs or environmental clubs.



From BS LOOI Thu Jul  6 12:02:49 EDT 1995
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From: goldnet@gcssb.po.my (LOOI Bian Seng)
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I'm looking for someone who supply artemia cysts for the aquaculture
industry. Please let me know. Thank you.


>From  LOOI Bian Seng




From rhe Thu Jul  6 12:02:51 EDT 1995
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From: R H Edwards <rhe>
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From ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jul  6 12:02:53 EDT 1995
Article: 416 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don McAllister)
Subject: Global fishing ground area trawled
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I am preparing a report on status of global marine
and coastal biodiversity.  Can anyone point me
to a publication that gives the total area in
square km or miles that is subject to fish/crustacean
trawling and shellfish dredging around the world,
and to a map showing such trawled areas?

Thanks for any help.

Don
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From lesson@ramlink.net Thu Jul  6 12:02:54 EDT 1995
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From: lesson@ramlink.net
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Subject: Do Muskie spawn in Dale Hollow Res.
Date: 3 Jul 1995 03:05:23 GMT
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On a recent fishing trip to Dale Hollow Res. on the Ky./ Tenn. border, I witnessed several immese Muskie.  
A dock hand that lived there told me that the reason the muskie were so large was that they were brood 
fish and that the muskie didn't breed in the lake.  The locals believe that the muskie population hampers 
the small mouth bass  population and despise the toothy predators.  They encourage keeping/killing of 
muskie under the premis that one day someone will catch the  "last" muskie in the lake.  Can anyone 
verify/refute the idea that muskie don't breed naturally in Dale Hollow.  Please e-mail me :

Jamie Marlowe

lesson@ramlink.net



From steve@srmulti.demon.co.uk Thu Jul  6 12:02:56 EDT 1995
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From: Stephen Rodgers <steve@srmulti.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: National Rivers Authority lurkers?
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Hi all,

I'm keen to find out about the state of health of my local river, the
Medway, in S.E. UK.

Are there any NRA people lurking on this this group?

Does anyone know of any Web resources dedicated to UK Rivers?

Steve


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From H.B. Thu Jul  6 12:03:00 EDT 1995
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From: H.B.
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Subject: Salmo Trutta
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Could some one tell me How does one destinguish between different species of Salmo Trutta ( Lacustris and so on.. )

H.B.




From sgronski@dewey.ed.brocku.ca Thu Jul  6 12:03:01 EDT 1995
Article: 420 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: sgronski@dewey.ed.brocku.ca (Shelley Gronski)
Subject: Info on Wetland Projects Wanted!
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I am looking for information on projects that have been started to help save the wetlands in Ontario.  They could be restoration projects, or ones that are creating new wetland habitats.  I am designing some educational resources and would like to be able to tell the students about how people are trying to prevent further destruction of our wetlands.  Thank you for your time.

--
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Brock University


From ac582@ccn.cs.dal.ca Thu Jul  6 12:03:03 EDT 1995
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From: ac582@ccn.cs.dal.ca (T J Kenchington)
Subject: Re: Global fishing ground area trawled
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Don McAllister (ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

: I am preparing a report on status of global marine
: and coastal biodiversity.  Can anyone point me
: to a publication that gives the total area in
: square km or miles that is subject to fish/crustacean
: trawling and shellfish dredging around the world,
: and to a map showing such trawled areas?

: Thanks for any help.

: Don


If any such publication exists, I would strongly recommend that it be 
disregarded. I have mapped fishing grounds off Atlantic Canada, working 
>from  extensive interviews with fishermen, and found that the areas 
actually fished were quite unlike anything that might have been guessed 
>from  previous official records. From working in various developing 
nations, I suspect that written records of their fishing grounds are even 
less reliable than the Canadian equivalent.

In short, I really doubt that any worthwhile data have been collected for 
more than a very few of the world's fisheries. And without data, any 
summary report must be worthless.

Trevor Kenchington
ac582@ccn.cs.dal.ca


From jeteske@awod.com Thu Jul  6 12:03:05 EDT 1995
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From: jeteske@awod.com (J.E. Teske)
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I am interested in any information concerning research or
on-going projects relating to mercenaria mercenaria, 
otherwise known as the quahog or hard clam.  Thanks in
advance for any info.

J.E. Teske 


From schultz@darkwing.uoregon.edu Thu Jul  6 12:03:06 EDT 1995
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From: schultz@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Stewart Schultz)
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Subject: sturgeon
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Greetings y'all,

Does anyone know if the sturgeon genus (Acipenser) is the only surviving
North American genus that originated during the time of the dinosaurs
(in this case, the Upper Cretaceous), as is sometimes claimed in the
popular press?

Thanks!

-S  schultz@darkwing.uoregon.edu


From chudobk@cc.umanitoba.ca Thu Jul  6 12:03:08 EDT 1995
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Anyone attending the 125th Annual American Fisheries Society symposium this
fall?  I would like to find a home page that gives any details on this 
symposium (e.g. an AFS or Tampa Convention Centre home page).  Also, if
you are from Tampa, or know it well, I would like to find a home page which
gives info on Tampa, Florida (other than CityNet).

For those individuals which are attending this symposium, I hope to see you there!

D. Chudobiak
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada


From arthurs@upei.ca Thu Jul  6 12:03:10 EDT 1995
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I am looking for the following company;

Aquasonic Electronics.... formally at 2515 Willowbrook Road,
				Suite 107, 
				Dallas Texas

I am trying to get a model AE500 Probe fixed...




From wap@inforamp.net Fri Jul 14 00:57:21 EDT 1995
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From: wap@inforamp.net (Wayne A. Powell)
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At the half-way point in the RFD period, I thought some of you might want
to know what's been going on over in news.groups without having to wade
through it.  The views expressed are my own, not exhaustively thorough,
but may be of interest to all.

Of the points expressed beneficial to the RFD and of relevance (i.e. those
dealing directly with REC.AQUARIA [and not sci.aquaria]), we have heard a
few say that they don't like renaming rec.aquaria to rec.aquaria.misc, we
have heard a few say they don't like tacking *.misc on to *.freshwater and
*.marine (no one has proposed a popular alternative other than leaving
*.misc off and having those two groups at the top of their own branch of
the hierarchy, which was recommended against by USENET group-advice), we
have heard a few say that the split shouldn't have so many subcategories
(but there seems to be general disagreement as to which should go and
which should stay, based partly on personal reading habits and experience
with the hobby), and we have heard one say that one of the subcategories
(*.cichlids) is too broad and wants it broken down further (but there is
general disagreement whether this would best be done by geography of
origin or species or ?). There also have been a few derisive comments
about including a *.goldfish subgroup. While trying not to appear trite or
overly biased, the "few" is usually one, two or possibly three posters,
yes?  

What we have also heard is a fair number of posts from rec.aquaria readers
that simply say "I like the RFD the way it is, let's vote now."  

I'm not trying to be funny or insulting here, I am being serious.  Have I
missed or misrepresented anything?  

Is there any other issue (relevant to the rec.aquaria hierarchy
reorganization) that we have not discussed yet that we should be?

Of the proposed changes to the RFD as it stands, which ones are most
likely to gather widespread popularity (wide enough to survive a vote)?

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From jvdbergh@eduserv.rug.ac.be Fri Jul 14 00:57:23 EDT 1995
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From: jvdbergh@eduserv.rug.ac.be (Jan Van den Berghe)
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Hi, 

I'm Jan Van den Berghe, a bio-engineer from Flanders, Belgium. I'm currently 
thinking about breeding fish in a waste water plant. Needless to say that the 
water is clear enough : goldfish survive in it. 

My question was : how do I proceed to breed fish of commercial value in that 
water. What fish ? What could be a layout of the system ?

Please mail me (as I'm going on holiday for a month and won't be able to read 
the articles here in time).

Thanks a lot

Jan


From ajenkins@online.nildram.co.uk Fri Jul 14 00:57:25 EDT 1995
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From: Clare David <ajenkins@online.nildram.co.uk>
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Subject: UK Environmental Jobs
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Hi, I'm trying to find agencies or employers in and around London (UK) 
who may offer employment in Fresh Water or Fisheries research. Can 
anyone suggest a contact?

Thanks in advance

Clare




From krivard@user1.channel1.com Fri Jul 14 00:57:27 EDT 1995
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From: krivard@user1.channel1.com (Ken Rivard)
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Subject: Mediterranean violets (seafood)?
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Last summer my wife and I were treated to a fabulous lunch at the
provencal vineyard Domaine de Tempier, in Bandol.  One of the seafood
appetizers was something our host referred to as *violets* (in
French--he didn't know the English term), a type of mediterranean
shellfish I'd never encountered.  In size and appearance the thing
resembled a firm, barnacled baked potato.  I'd like to track down its
English (and Latin) name.  

After slicing diagonally through the cartilaginous exterior I was left
with two halves, each containing a raw edible thing with the texture
of a firm oyster--only larger, with a much more striking appearance.
A bright orange-red band 1/2" thick surrounded a central mass with the
color and texture of  runny scrambled eggs.  The seafood is extracted
by scooping it from the cartilage with a thumb--there seems to be some
sort of suction or vacuum which holds it in place, unlike, say, an
oyster or clam.  The undersurface of the extracted meat is a deep red
color.  Violets have a sharp briny flavor, with a slightly bitter
aftertaste.  I'm told that they're only eaten raw, since cooking does
something odd to their taste and texture.  

Our hostess  informed us that Richard Olney mentions them in one of
his books, but I've been unable to track down the reference thus far.
At dinner the other evening with a pair of marine biologists and
access to several reference tomes we couldn't seem to identify the
thing.  Any insight would be appreciated.  

Thanks.   

Ken Rivard


        



From jrieman@austin.onu.edu Fri Jul 14 00:57:28 EDT 1995
Article: 436 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: jrieman@austin.onu.edu (Jeff Rieman)
Subject: Black Water Bugs
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I know this isn't the place to post this, but I don't know where
else to look.  My parents have a pond and they have bunches and bunches
of little black water bugs that live on the surface.  Any ideas on how
to eliminate these?  We do have several bass in the pond, but they
don't seem to be taking care of the problem.
Thanks,
Jeff

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From brett3@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 14 00:57:30 EDT 1995
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com (brett rowley)
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Subject: Re: Black Water Bugs
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In <1995Jul10.182226.67279@austin.onu.edu> jrieman@austin.onu.edu (Jeff
Rieman) writes: 
>
>I know this isn't the place to post this, but I don't know where
>else to look.  My parents have a pond and they have bunches and
bunches
>of little black water bugs that live on the surface.  Any ideas on how
>to eliminate these?  We do have several bass in the pond, but they
>don't seem to be taking care of the problem.
>Thanks,
>Jeff
>
>--
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>Home: (419)634-8905        : Student Affairs
>Work: (419(772-2145        : Ohio Northern University
>
>"We cannot change the inevitable.  The only thing we can do is
> play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude... I
> am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I  
> react to it." - Charles Swindoll
>================================================================
Jeff,
What you have are "whirlygig" beetles. I'm not sure what species, but
they are definitely Coleopteran. I'm curious as to why they are a
problem. Infry rearing ponds they can predate on small fish. We control
them by putting a mixture of 5 gallons diesel or kerosene with one
quart non-detergent motor oil on the pond's surface. This is done with
a sprayer or even with a cup by applying the mixture on a calm morning
around the ponds edges. A slick will form on the surface across the
whole pond if 2-5 gallons per acre are used. The beetles (and other
waterbugs) must surface to breathe. The oily slick coats thier pores
they breath through and suffocates them without harming the baby fish.
This method only controls the beetles for a few days then a new hatch
will appear. I'm sure that they are not a big enough problem to justify
this intense approach in your case. Hope this answers some of your
questions.
                       Brett


From M.Ford@rbgkew.org.uk Fri Jul 14 00:57:32 EDT 1995
Article: 438 of sci.bio.fisheries
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In article <3tpk29$trg@linux.nildram.co.uk> Clare David <ajenkins@online.nildram.co.uk> writes:
>Hi, I'm trying to find agencies or employers in and around London (UK) 
>who may offer employment in Fresh Water or Fisheries research. Can 
>anyone suggest a contact?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Clare
>
>
Try the Countryside Jobs Service compiled by RentaRanger for the
Countryside Management Association. They compile a list of all 
environmental and countryside related jobs and courses in the
UK which is updated weekly.

They can be contacted on 01947 810220 or by writing to:-

                Groves Bank,
                Woodlands,
                Sleights,
                Whitby,
                N. Yorks. YO21 1RY

Matt


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From: paulnw@aol.com (PaulNW)
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Subject: Historical Look At Hood Canal
Date: 11 Jul 1995 03:47:34 -0400
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I am working on a project collecting historical data for Hood Canal.  The
data I am interested in is:
Stream Habitat
Salmon and Steelhead
Land Use


From spryd@gov.on.ca Fri Jul 14 00:57:35 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: catfish question
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jstang9595@aol.com (JStang9595) writes:

>I was recently swimming in a lake in northern Michigan when I noticed
>moving black spot in the water.  I looked closer and realized there were
>hundreds of little catfish swimming so close together I could hardly tell
>one from the other.  Later, my uncle and I were discussing this behavior
>and wondered if the catfish were hatched at the same time or were born by
>live birth.  We also wondered if this was normal behavior.  In twenty
>years of fishing I had never seen anything like this!  If anyone has any
>information, please mail me at 
>                        jstang9595@aol.com

>                                        thanks!!

Scott and Crossman in _Freshwater Fishes of Canada_ (aka the Bible) write
regarding the brown bullhead that eggs are laid in nests guarded by one or
both parents.  After hatching .."The young, whose shape and pitch-black
colour make them resemble tadpoles, are shepherded about for several
weeks in a loose sphere by one or both of the parents until they are about
2 inches long.  The the guarding and the school break down and the
individuals disperse."  I have only seen this behaviour once, and in a 
small pond, species of catfish uncertain.

Regards

Doug Spry
Toronto, ON CANADA



From kimgw@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Fri Jul 14 00:57:37 EDT 1995
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I'm posting this on behalf of someone who's newreader doesn't get
sci.bio.fisheries.  So DO NOT USE AUTO-REPLY COMMAND OR MAIL TO ME!  Thanks

David Deitz wrote:
>From:  ddeitz@AFIT.AF.MIL
> 

> >Has anyone out there in internet space been through the Fisheries Mgt 
> >degree program at OSU?  Or the same program at a different school?  If 
> >so email me so I can talk career advice, thanks.
> 
> David, 

Once again, please send replys to ddeitz@AFIT.AF.MIL  


From the_doctor@netins.net Fri Jul 14 00:57:38 EDT 1995
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In article <1995Jul11.203329@miavx1>, kimgw@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>I'm posting this on behalf of someone who's newreader doesn't get
>sci.bio.fisheries.  So DO NOT USE AUTO-REPLY COMMAND OR MAIL TO ME!  Thanks
>
>David Deitz wrote:
>>From:  ddeitz@AFIT.AF.MIL
>> 
>
>> >Has anyone out there in internet space been through the Fisheries Mgt 
>> >degree program at OSU?  Or the same program at a different school?  If 
>> >so email me so I can talk career advice, thanks.
>> 
>> David, 
>
>Once again, please send replys to ddeitz@AFIT.AF.MIL  


what kind of program is this???  like a batchlers??
		
		The_Doctor@Netins.Net


From BALSTERB@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us Fri Jul 14 00:57:40 EDT 1995
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From: balsterb@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us
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In article <DBKFEt.I34@gov.on.ca>, spryd@gov.on.ca (D.J. Spry) writes:
>jstang9595@aol.com (JStang9595) writes:
>
>>I was recently swimming in a lake in northern Michigan when I noticed
>>moving black spot in the water.  I looked closer and realized there were
>>hundreds of little catfish swimming so close together I could hardly tell
>>one from the other.  Later, my uncle and I were discussing this behavior
>>and wondered if the catfish were hatched at the same time or were born by
>>live birth.  We also wondered if this was normal behavior.  In twenty
>>years of fishing I had never seen anything like this!  If anyone has any
>>information, please mail me at 
>>                        jstang9595@aol.com

here in iowa the bullheads do this too. I caught some and used them
for bait last weekend, so i'm sure they weren't tadpoles.( they already
had their horns)
 I did see any adult bullheads though.
 


From multi@pi.net Fri Jul 14 00:57:41 EDT 1995
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From: multi@pi.net (Lub Ras)
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Subject: Re: Forget Eating Fish (Was: Re: Surf fishing...)
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Dear Dr. Jai Maharaj,

I appreciate your concerns, wich are shared by me and many others.
It seems right to me to prevent eating fish from inland lakes, that
are largely polluted because of waste of toxic chemicals from
industries nearside and pesticides.
I assume that this will be the case with some lakes in the USA.
Especially the bigger"hunting"- types of fish (in the end of the
food-chain )could accumulate these toxic chemicals. I think it is a
good thing to warn for this,  backing this up with scientific reports.

There are also scientific reports reports proving the well-known
health benefits of eating fish.If you want to benefit of these
advantages without the risk of harmfull level of toxics, you could
choose to buy  the smaller types of fish, caught from the wide oceans.
Therefore I do have a suggestion to replace the slogan "Forget eating
fish" by this one:  "Be keen, buy clean" .

Best regards,
Lub Ras

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>>>>
jai@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

> Forget Eating Fish

> "The  least  likely  of  all  places  in  the  world  to  find  an
> uncontaminated fish is in the United States.  We  have the dubious
> distinction of  being the world's largest  producer of pesticides.
> We  use 1.1  billion pounds  of pesticides  a year  -- about  five
> pounds for every member of the population.  This amounts to 30% of
> the entire world's use. You may be wondering if any fish are safe.
> Even for research purposes, it is impossible now for scientists to
> find  fish  anywhere  in  U.S.  waters  which  do  not carry toxic
> chemicals in their flesh.

> "A major  study reported in  Tufts University's Diet and Nutrition
> Letter compared the offspring of 242 women who ate varying amounts
> of fish from Lake Michigan. The study found that the more fish the
> mothers had eaten, the more their babies showed abnormal reflexes,
> general weakness, slower response to stimuli, and various signs of
> depression.  Even mothers  eating the  fish two  or three  times a
> month produced babies weighing seven to nine ounces less at birth,
> with smaller heads.  [To learn about contaminated fish in other US
> waters, please refer to the sources provided below.]

> "- Pimentel, D., 'Pesticides . . .'
>     BioScienc 27, March, 1977.
> "- Pimentel, D., 'Realities of a Pesticide Ban'
>     Environment, March, 1973.
> "- Turner, J., 'A Chemical Feast: Report on the Food and Drug
>     Administration,' Grossman, 1970.
> "- 'Infant Abnormalities Linked to PCB Contaminated Fish'
>     Vegetarian Times, November, 1984."
> - Robbins, John, "Diet for A New America
>     Stillpoint Publishing, 1987, pg. 334.

> *-=Om Shanti=-*  Jai Maharaj
>                
>                jai maharaj |_|_|_|_| mantra corporation
> jyotishi, vedic astrologer |_|   |_| vedic prediction sciences
>             jai@mantra.com |_|_ _|_| telex 6505614754
>          mci mail 561-4754 | | | | | voicemail +1 808 948 4357

Lub Ras



From vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Fri Jul 14 00:57:43 EDT 1995
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From: Greg Van Eeckhout <vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
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Subject: Re: Fish in waste water plant ?
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Hey I thought I'd drop you a note since you are Dutch such as I.  I 
would want to know more about the temperature and water conditions, such 
as nutrients, suspended sediments and most importantly dissolved oxygen.  
One thing you may want to check is what is the daily oxygen 
concentration like over time, that is: concentration by hour for a 24hr 
period.  I would guess you may find that you have some real ups and 
downs in this daily cycle and may not support that many fish.  As far as 
what kind of fish would be heavily influenced by the temperature and 
conditions in the ponds, a friend of mine works in aquaculture for the 
state of Minnesota,USA maybe able to give you better adivce on fish 
based on conditions his email address is: 
Berickso@mda-is.mda.state.mn.us
and his name is Brian Erickson, best of luck to you and your venture
Greg Van Eeckhout




From vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Fri Jul 14 00:57:44 EDT 1995
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From: Greg Van Eeckhout <vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
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Subject: Potamogeton crispus and fisheries?
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I would like to exchange information with others on research involving 
the aquatic macrophyte Potamogeton crispus ( non-native to the USA) and 
it's impact and relationship to fisheries.  Our office and I have done 
some extensive work in this area and although I can not fully describe 
it here I would like to hear from others.  The main parts of our 
research (in Minnesota, USA) has centered around the nutrient tie-up and 
die-off of P. crispus and then the affect of this on the zooplankton and 
algae of the lake, which in turn is related to the planktivorus fish 
community.  Please e-mail me if you can, since it is the field research 
season and I do not always get around to reading the newgroup, thanks

Greg




From scaldwell@dow.com Fri Jul 14 00:57:46 EDT 1995
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In article <brandts.805049231@humanitas>, brandts@QueensU.CA (Dirk Brandts) writes:
>Hi, folks - I'm seeking sources of info regarding small home-scale aquaculture
>setups. .I have hazy memories of this idea from some of John and Nancy Jack
>Todd's work with "living machines". I've managed to contact their Ocean Arks
>International and requested info, but pending its arrival, I wonder if any of
>you could suggest some useful books or whatnot.
>
>TIA, Dirk (brandts@humanitas.ucsb.edu)

There has been work at LSU (La. State Univ.) in the Sea Grant progam on Talapia
aquaculture. I don't know exactly how to get in touch with them. I attended a 
chruch that had a garden, and there was active experimentation with tilapia
aquaculture there, too, in conjunction with LSU. Depending on the density, it
can get pretty intense. I think that we were working toward 600 lbs/Mgal.

Good luck.
Steve


From lfdw@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA Fri Jul 14 00:57:48 EDT 1995
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From: lfdw@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA (MNR LF DE WET, GENETIKA, TEL 4770)
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Is it acceptable to use fish oil in diets of crustaceans without any side-
effects? If not what is the min,max, avg inclusion levels?

Lourens de Wet
Aquaculture research programme
University Stellenbosch
South Africa


From zapitb4@aol.com Fri Jul 14 00:57:49 EDT 1995
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What is a good way to start to begin Plankton. I have been told to use
7-22-10 fertilizer, cotton meal, and alphalpha meal. I need suggestions.

I was recently in Canada and saw what rich water looks like. That is the
type of water I would like to create as close as possilble. Thanks


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On 13 Jul 1995, Vince Busto wrote:

> I am presently working with a biologist who is interested in utilizing trees
> for bank protection in rivers,  The trees (fir or pine) are tied into the 
> riverbank with cables.  The biologist explains that the trees slow the water 
> velocity at the bank to the extent that sedimentation occurs.  In time this
> sedimentation allows plants to re-establish themselves along the bank.  The
> tangle of branches also provide a place of refuge for small fish; refuge from
> high water velocity and reguge from large predators.
> 
> Does anyone have any experiences, or references to case studies, with tree
> revetments that they care to share with me?  I am especially interested in 
> finding out if there are clear guidelines as to where tree revetments may,
> or should not, be used.  References for tree revetment design would also be 
> appreciated.   
> 
> My thanks in advance for your responses.
> 
> Vince Busto
> 
> 

I'm surprised that fir and pine are being used...they tend to be dry-site 
species.  In the NW USA, we use willow, alder, or poplar...hydrophytic, 
fast-growing, and they develop a pretty dense root mat.




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I am presently working with a biologist who is interested in utilizing trees
for bank protection in rivers,  The trees (fir or pine) are tied into the 
riverbank with cables.  The biologist explains that the trees slow the water 
velocity at the bank to the extent that sedimentation occurs.  In time this
sedimentation allows plants to re-establish themselves along the bank.  The
tangle of branches also provide a place of refuge for small fish; refuge from
high water velocity and reguge from large predators.

Does anyone have any experiences, or references to case studies, with tree
revetments that they care to share with me?  I am especially interested in 
finding out if there are clear guidelines as to where tree revetments may,
or should not, be used.  References for tree revetment design would also be 
appreciated.   

My thanks in advance for your responses.

Vince Busto


From jschafer@holly.ColoState.EDU Fri Jul 21 11:06:21 EDT 1995
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From: jschafer@holly.ColoState.EDU (Jeffery Schafer)
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Subject: [Q] Culturing crabs/crayfish
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Hello,

  Could anyone tell me some details on how to breed freshwater crayfish?  
I have heard that the first pair of swimmets (I think...) are larger on 
the male, and the female carries the eggs.

  Also, I would love to be able to culture fiddler crabs.  I have tried 
to find some inforation, but most of the references I have found are not 
carried by CSU's library.  :^<

  However, I do know that they have a plankton stage.  I recently talked 
with someone whom had a pregnant red crab (freshwater).  He was out of 
town when the female laid her eggs, but his (and mine) best guess was 
that the crab 'hatched' plankton larvae.

  I have several questions:

  1.)  Does anyone know a good reference?  

  2.)  What is the difference in the different species of fiddlers?

  3.)  What is the best salinity to keep fiddler crabs in?

  4.)  Do the crabs need to have access to the air?  (i.e. land)

  5.)  What ratio of male/female is best?

  6.)  How does one go about raising the plankton larvae?

  7.)  In the last year I have tried to find someone that has spawned 
fiddler crabs.  A couple of people have mentioned it is not possible.  Am 
I on a wild goose chase?

  I know that I have a *lot* of questions.  However, even the smallest 
answers would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Jeff



From msmith@sonic.net Fri Jul 21 11:06:22 EDT 1995
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Many fresh water and some salt water fish are being farmed these days. 
It would seem that they would be low in toxens.

Michael Smith




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Subject: Re: F water clams & aquarium
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George Murray (murray@beast.Trenton.EDU) wrote:
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: My question is will the tank filter out compete the clams?

: Does anyone have any experience with clams in a tank or can you recommend 
: any good reference sources.

: 	Thanks George
: 		Murray@trenton.edu

As part of a freshwater invertebrate class at UC Davis, I collected some 
clams from Putah Creek to observe.  I identified the clams as _Corbicula_ 
_fluminea_ using Thorp and Covich's _Ecology and Classification of North 
American Freshwater Invertebrates.  These clams were collected in April 
and are still growing well in my tank. 
MY EXPERIENCE:  I have an eight gallon Hex set up 
with a power filter hooked up as a powerhead on an undergravel filter 
This seems to give a decent durrent in the tank without a lot of noise.  
The tank was originally set up with lots of invertebrates from Putah 
Creek.  I had lots of damsel fly nymphs and caddis, and black fly 
larvae.  (some of the caddis pupated on the glass sides) I also collected 
plenty of rocks, some plants and a nifty stick when I stocked my tank 
>from  the creek.  Most of the insects have developed and left the tank, 
but the clams and snails are still going fine.  I have always kept live 
plants in the tank and sometimes I throw in a few leaves and let them 
decompose for everybody in there to eat.  I also used to sprinkle a 
little peat into the tank to identify caddis nets and watch them clean 
their nets and feed.  The clams seem to do fine even with the under 
gravel and power filters.  Lately I have added seven small white cloud 
minnows, a small Indian glass fish a freshwater shrimp and a baby 
crawdad.  The crawdad has left the clams alone so far, and the shrimp 
only bothers the clams when it walks over them, so I doubt this will be a 
problem if your other inverts are all small.  I do make sure that 
everybody gets fed regularly and have had no problems with clam 
mortality.  Just be sure to give the clams a few inches of a mixture of 
gravel sizes and some larger rocks so that they can burrow and feel 
protected. (I brought a  bucket of gravel back from the stream.)

On a side note, I was keeping the same type of clam in a two gallon 
stagnant puddle tank with some sort of daphnia and planaria.  The daphnia 
would try to eat the clam's slime on occasion and agrivated it somewhat.  
(The clam would occasionally take out a few daphnia as well!) It 
eventually died, but I suspect that the death was due to old age or 
poor water quality. (This clam did get big fast)

Oh, one other point.  If you think you clams are getting hungy I suggest 
sprinking your aquarium with a little yeast or pureed spinach, same as 
for daphnia.  But finely grinding flake food with your fingers will work too.
BTW my crawdad really likes sinking algae pellets.

Good luck!

-Erick


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From: ez041467@dale.ucdavis.edu (Erick Oshel)
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Jan Van den Berghe (jvdbergh@eduserv.rug.ac.be) wrote:
: Hi, 

: I'm Jan Van den Berghe, a bio-engineer from Flanders, Belgium. I'm 
: currently thinking about breeding fish in a waste water plant. Needless 
: to say that the : water is clear enough : goldfish survive in it. 

: My question was : how do I proceed to breed fish of commercial value 
: in that water. What fish ? What could be a layout of the system ?

I am a student at the University of California, Davis and am currently 
helping with research reguarding wetlands carbon cycling in cattails and 
tules at the demonstration wetlands run by the Sacramento County Regional
Wastewater Treatment Facility.  I do not know the details of the system, 
only that about 1% of the treated effluent from the Sacramento Wastewater 
facility is run through UV sterilization then fed into a series of 
shallow ponds (about 50 cm deep with 3 six foot holes.) Each pond has 
mosquito fish in it and a few support thriving populations of bullfrogs 
and crayfish.  Recently, 10,000 guppies were added to some of the cells.  
The incredible numbers and size of daphnia and insect larvae of various 
types make me think that this is an incredible resource for aquaculture.  
However, although the water is quite clear, and there are waterfowl, 
fish, even muskrats and otters living in these cells, I doubt that 
anything grown in them would be condidered safe for any kind of 
comercial consumption.  The concern centers on both a worry about heavy 
metals and other toxins as well as the added problem that the UV 
sterilizer has been found to be less than 100% effective.  It seems that 
some bacteria are knocked senseless for several hours, but are able to 
restructure their DNA and revive themselves.  Therefore, we are requited 
to wear waders and are told to minimize body contact with the treated 
water.  I think that comercial aquaculture using wastewater is a great 
idea, but it won't work here yet.  Please let me know what you find out.  
I am interested to see what other people have found.  

Unfortunately, I do not know the e-mail address for the Sacramento 
Regional Waste Water Treatment Facility.  However, I could probaly ask 
for it, or give them your e-mail address, if you are interested.

-Erick

Erick Oshel
University of California, Davis
etoshel@ucdavis.edu



From jschafer@holly.ColoState.EDU Fri Jul 21 11:06:25 EDT 1995
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  Just wanted to appologize for re-posting this.  I meant to post it into 
rec.aquaria!

Thanks,

Jeff


From pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu Fri Jul 21 11:06:28 EDT 1995
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I have recently stocked a pond and the Arkansas fish producers 
recommended that I put fathead minnows in the pond.  I stocked the pond 
with bluegill and largemouth.  I am afraid the pond may me slightly 
overstocked.  Would dumping fathead minnows prevent my fish from becoming 
stunted?  I was afraid to put them in initially because i know that 
minnows some sometimes overtake a pond, or at least i have heard this.  
I was also told that fathead minnows will not get any larger than 4".  Is 
this also true?  Can anyone make any recommendations.  Maybe I should try 
to locate someone at Auburn University?

John



From flurid@govonca.gov.on.ca Fri Jul 21 11:06:29 EDT 1995
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From: flurid@govonca.gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)
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In <3u3gtv$htl@stud.Direct.CA> vbusto@Direct.CA (Vince Busto) writes:

>I am presently working with a biologist who is interested in utilizing trees
>for bank protection in rivers,  The trees (fir or pine) are tied into the 
>riverbank with cables. 

In Ontario, we prefer _Thuja_occidentalis_, which we call cedar, for such
applications.  We call them "cedar sweeps".  Alternatively, we use almost
anything handy, but our other lowland woods don't have the longevity of
cedar when in the water.  Non-cedar sweeps are usually called "brush
bundles".  Bundles are often installed in a "scale" arrangement; overlap
bundles beginning at the lower end.

Sweeps or bundles are placed at the very head of the inside bend of a
meander, just where the water begins to pull away from the bank.  They
should be installed parallel to the direction of flow.  The trunk of the
tree, or the bound end of the bundle, is wired to a post driven into the
stream bed.  One or more posts can be placed along the bundle to give it the
proper orientation relative to the current.

I don't really consider them as "bank protection" _per_se_, at least not in
the sense of a revetement.  We sometimes use log revetements along the
retaining bank (outside) of a meander, but their installation and philosophy
are somewhat different (EMail me for details).  I view sweeps and bundles,
rather, as aids in directing the stream flow.  By judiciously placing them,
you can encourage the re-establishment of some sort of meander pattern in
stream sections which have been channelised or which have had their meanders
"blown out" by some sort of catastrophic event.  They seem to work best when
installed so as to _slightly_ constrict the base flow.  The increased
velocity enhances sediment transport.  It is also important that they be
installed so as to be completely submerged at the "bank full" stage.  As
flows decline, they provide the sediment-trapping function you describe
hereunder.

>The biologist explains that the trees slow the water 
>velocity at the bank to the extent that sedimentation occurs.  In time this
>sedimentation allows plants to re-establish themselves along the bank.  The
>tangle of branches also provide a place of refuge for small fish; refuge from
>high water velocity and reguge from large predators.

This really works!  I've seen cedar sweeps that, when installed, appeared
huge, with large, gaping areas behind them.  Five years later, the area
behind was completely filled in and revegetated; you'd have had a tough job
to find the sweep.  Often it was only the stubs of the posts sticking up
that were still visible!  You're right that sweeps provide refugia for small
fish, but this is fairly transitory, since the sweep is designed to
eventually fill in with sediment.

>Does anyone have any experiences, or references to case studies, with tree
>revetments that they care to share with me?  I am especially interested in 
>finding out if there are clear guidelines as to where tree revetments may,
>or should not, be used.  References for tree revetment design would also be 
>appreciated.   

>My thanks in advance for your responses.

>Vince Busto

I should indicate that I've only used sweeps and bundles in fairly low
gradient applications on streams with moderate to high bed loads composed
largely of fines.  Judging by the way they work, I don't think they'd be
appropriate in high gradient situations.

Hope that helps.


-- 
				|
Dave Fluri			|	"No me agaro ya de nada, para
North Bay, Ontario, Canada	|	 asi no tener nada que defender."
				|		-Carlos Castaneda


From Jochen.Weiss@mbox.oci.uni-hannover.de Fri Jul 21 11:06:31 EDT 1995
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I'm looking for a picture of the marine animal *bryozoa bugula neritina*.
I already checked common biology-books unsuccessfully. Can anyone help me?
Please post answers to my e-mail-adress.

Thanx, Jochen


From settl001@mc.duke.edu Fri Jul 21 11:06:32 EDT 1995
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From: settl001@mc.duke.edu (Dan Settles)
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Subject: Re: tilapia
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In article <3u4enh$rv5@zeus.intellinet.com>, grahamd (David Graham) wrote:

> Lost the note from the person asking about tilapia culture, so I'm just
going to send this out.
> Attended a seminar on the use of tilapia as part of a
hydroponics/aquaculture system. Tom &
> Paula Speraneo are raising herbs and tilapia in indoor culture at S&S
Aqua Farm in West Plains,
> Missouri. Their family lives on the production of tilapia and herbs
grown indoors in this semi-
> closed system. Drop them a note! Fascinating lecture.
> 
> Dave

Hi Dave,
I guess I missed some info., but I'm interested in finding out more about
their system.  I believe I read some posts of yours some months ago and I
have been interested in learning more.  Can you tell me how to contact
them?  Thanks.
Dan Settles
dan_settles@cellbio.duke.edu


From bek@RUC.DK Fri Jul 21 11:06:33 EDT 1995
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Dear reader

One of the consequences of the increasing greenhouse effect
is the global warming related to it.

Currently the equivalent CO2 concentration is only enhanced
by about 50 % compared to the natural, preindustrial values.
Another 50 % are expected within the next 30 till 55 years.

The enhanced greenhouse effect leads to a warming of the
Earth's surface temperature and therefore also to warmer
conditions in the upper oceans (the deeper oceans will also
get warmer, albeit at a longer time scale).

How can the global fishery industry prepare for the warmer
waters, and what would the consequences be? Will there
be changes in the species distribution and quantity that
can be prognosed today? Should we try to steer the
fishing industry in a direction so that it starts preparing
for the coming changes?

Questions that might cool in the boreal summer heat.

Greetings

Bernd Kuemmel, bek@mmf.ruc.dk



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Please unsubscribe me from this newsgroup or instruct me on how to do 
so.  Thank you.

Doyle Crosswhite
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From pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu Fri Jul 21 11:06:35 EDT 1995
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From: pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu (John D Pruett)
Subject: Re: Fish Eye Lids
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: Largemouth bass do not have eyelids which is why they favor deeper water 
: and heavy cover during the day.

 Walter (walteri@pixi.com) wrote:
: In article <dandon.2.2FEEDD2B@hookup.net>, dandon@hookup.net (Dan
: Donaldson) wrote:

: > I am a member of a local Rotary Club that recently had an address concerning 
: > the internet.  Due to a degree of skepticism within the group, I volunteered 
: > to *test* the net.  Each week I will try and find the answer to a
: question via 
: > the internet.  The first question posed was, do fish have eye lids?
: > 
: > Can anyone out there either answer the question or provide me with a resource 
: > or two that might?
: > 
: Yes, they do.  If you recall some of the many shark TV specials over the
: years, you would have seen Great White Sharks protecting their eyes with a
: nictatating [sp?] membrane (or eyelid) when they bite into the bait.  So,
: at least some fish do have something like a membrane.

: -- 
: "No matter where you go, there you are."  B. Banzai


From zapitb4@aol.com Sun Jul 30 01:42:39 EDT 1995
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B careful. Start with 1 or 2. The recommendation is 8 per vegated acre.
Our pond is 15.5 acres. In 86 the home owners put in 350. Our pond is now
void of vegation. Fishing is severly damaged. The reconstuction will take
years. I repeat b careful. Start with as few as possible.

The are very difficult to catch once introduced.


From Pdeitik@bcm.tmc.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:40 EDT 1995
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From: Philip Deitiker <Pdeitik@bcm.tmc.edu>
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Ward

  I am no expert on this matter, but fish certainly have a diurnal cycle, 
and many types of fish become quiescent at night while others become 
active. My discus become catatonic at night and move around in very slow 
graceful motions. I have seen the same thing with many types of marine 
damselfish, anglefish. 
   There are fish that feed at night as well as in the daytime; however, 
they may be using olfactory and lateral line information which other 
types of fish cannot take advantage of. These fish may select periods in 
which food or oxygen is scarce to become quiescent. These fish feeding 
behavior would be similar to the large cats (lions, tigers), which feed 
and rest in the daytime and the night time.
  Since fish don't have eyelids its hard for them to 'sleep' as we do. If 
you wan't a better question, Do fish have dream or have nightmares? I 
frequently will have an unexplained explosion of activity in a tank.

Philip 



From barbara@hambel.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 30 01:42:41 EDT 1995
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Parasitic Copepoda - where can I find info. please?
Thanks, B.



From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:42 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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sgough@prairienet.org (Steve Gough) wrote:
>
> Gordon C Smith (gordo@uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu) wrote:
> : I would like to contact some experts in the field of fish passage
> : design and engineering. 
> 
> Gordon,
> 
> You might try contacting Robert Newbury or one of his associates.  Don't 
> have a phone number, but his firm is called Newbury Hydraulics, Ltd. and 
> is in Gibsons, B.C., Canada. A lot of work, which you should be able to 
> dig up with a computer lit search, has been done in the Pacific Northwest.
> 
..and just look how well the anadromous species are doing in that 
region.  Maybe the folks in Hawaii should start from scratch, and 
"build a better mousetrap".


From micahg@exploratorium.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:42 EDT 1995
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From: micahg@exploratorium.edu (Pat Fish)
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i wanna job!


From chend@ucs.orst.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:43 EDT 1995
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From: chend@ucs.orst.edu (Don Chen)
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Subject: shrimp[ virus-Taura syndrome
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 04:31:50 GMT
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Hi:

This post results from an article I read in the NYTimes last month on
a shrimp virus which was attacking Penaeus vannamei which were being
grown in hatcheries in Texas.  It has been identified as the same
agent which was responsible for shrimp deaths in Ecuador on the river,
Taura.  Lightner's group in Arizona and Brock's group in Hawaii have
been able to isolate a virus which, in H&E preps, produces multifocal
cuticular lesions and generally spherical cytoplasmic inclusion bodies
(1-20 um in diameter) (Dis.aquat.Org 21:53-59,1995).  The article goes
on to say that native shrimp of the Gulf Coast are not susceptible to
the disease. 

Questions: 
1.	Has the virus been identified as to type?
2.	Has the virus been shown to be specific to P. vannamei and not
other species?
3.	For those of you in the Gulf region, what are they going to do
with the carcasses of these shrimp?  They aren't going to grind them
up and feed them to other shrimp or other animals are they?
4.	Are there any environmental dependencies- ie temperature,
salinity, etc?

If there is anyone from either Lightner's or Brock's group reading
this, I'd be interested in corresponding with you.  My initial
interest was prompted by the thought it was a baculovirus, although
this doesn't seem to be the case.

Thanks, 
Don Chen
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Sleeping we image what awake we wish,
         Dogs dream of bones, fishermen of fish. -Theocritus
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From pezmen@news.gate.net Sun Jul 30 01:42:44 EDT 1995
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From: pezmen@news.gate.net (Hector Cruz-Lopez)
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ekgardner@life.uams.edu wrote:
: The title is pretty self explanitory. Do fish sleep?


: 						Ward

Parrotfish envelop themselves in a sack of bubbles and mucus secreted by 
them during the night and actually sleep.  The sack protects them from 
predation and from drifting as they usually attach themselves to fixed 
structures along coral reefs.  Many other fishes actually go into a 
quiescence state in which they are suspended in the water column.  
Sharks, because of their lack of an air bladder, do not sleep as they 
would otherwise sink and die from lack of circulation of water through 
their gills.

Fish do not have eye lids and therefore can not close thair eyes.  Their 
brain activity is, however, significantly diminished and in some cases 
you can approach them, touch many species, and even move them without 
triggering a reaction.

Hope this helps
hector "che" cruz-lopez


From dunger@bu.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:45 EDT 1995
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I think it was the parrot fish who secretes a clear sack around itself at night
when it sleeps.  There are reef fish that I have literally pulled off the reef
at night when they are sleeping and they do not wake up.


From BARKLEYT@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:46 EDT 1995
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From: BARKLEYT@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Tim Barkley)
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They are called by various names among them 'buffalo carp' and by
White Amur.  They are triploids(sp?).  They should be available from 
most fingerling suppliers. 


In <3uu1os$ovt@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> whatduck@ix.netcom.com writes:

>    I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
> weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
> I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
> to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
> be appreciated.
> 
> Brian and the Duck
> 


From settl001@mc.duke.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:47 EDT 1995
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From: settl001@mc.duke.edu (Dan Settles)
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I have seen information posted several times in the past concerning an
integrated tilapia and hydroponic system that has been developed by Tom
Speraneo.  I believe he is located somewhere in Missouri.  I would like to
get more information about his work and would appreciate it if anyone
could help me get in touch with him.  Thanks.
Dan Settles
dan_settles@cellbio.duke.edu


From gordo@uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:47 EDT 1995
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From: gordo@uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu (Gordon C Smith)
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>sgough@prairienet.org (Steve Gough) wrote:
>>
>> Gordon C Smith (gordo@uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu) wrote:
>> : I would like to contact some experts in the field of fish passage
>> : design and engineering. 
>> 
>> You might try contacting Robert Newbury or one of his associates.  Don't 
>> have a phone number, but his firm is called Newbury Hydraulics, Ltd. and 
>> is in Gibsons, B.C., Canada. A lot of work, which you should be able to 
>> dig up with a computer lit search, has been done in the Pacific Northwest.


And Steve Poet commented:
>
>..and just look how well the anadromous species are doing in that 
>region.  Maybe the folks in Hawaii should start from scratch, and 
>"build a better mousetrap".

Thanks to Steve G. and Steve P. for the suggestion and the discussion. There
are major differences between the biology and migratory patterns of  the   
indigenous Hawaiian fish and the anadromous salmonids of the Pacific Northwest.
The streams are very different too. Because no work of this kind has ever been
done, no matter what we do it will be a "better moustrap".

Can anybody else provide references and/or comments?

Thanks and aloha,

Gordon Smith
Stream Bioassessement Program
DOH Env. Planning Office

gordo@hawaii.edu




From lfdw@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA Sun Jul 30 01:42:48 EDT 1995
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From: lfdw@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA (Lourens de Wet)
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Keywords: furunculosis, salmon, trout, immunology

I am doing a honours project on furunculosis in rainbow trout and I am 
looking for info on this subject. If there is anyone out there who can 
help - please E-mail me.

Lourens de Wet.


From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:49 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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I am looking for opinions and perceptions about infectious disease 
problems in fisheries.  I tried to get input from sci.aquaria and got
surprizingly little response.  I will soon be located in the Southeast
of the US and am interested in applying current biomedical knowledge
and technology to the problems in fish health management.  I hope that
you folks will post to this group instead of emailing me, that should
generate more comments.  I'm a veterinary virologist, but all infectious
diseases are fair game at this point.  Thanks for your input.



From pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:50 EDT 1995
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From: pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu (John D Pruett)
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John D Pruett (pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu) wrote:
: I have recently stocked a pond and the Arkansas fish producers 
: recommended that I put fathead minnows in the pond.  I stocked the pond 
: with bluegill and largemouth.  I am afraid the pond may me slightly 
: overstocked.  Would dumping fathead minnows prevent my fish from becoming 
: stunted?  I was afraid to put them in initially because i know that 
: minnows some sometimes overtake a pond, or at least i have heard this.  
: I was also told that fathead minnows will not get any larger than 4".  Is 
: this also true?  Can anyone make any recommendations.  Maybe I should try 
: to locate someone at Auburn University?

: John

I have gotten my question answered via e-mail and I was wondering if I 
was supposed to erase this article.  Is that possible?

jp


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Steve


  I am by no means an expert in this area; however, there are a number of 
articles (over the last five years) which deal specifically with diseases 
of fish in culture. The most notable paper appeared in Science about four 
years ago dealing with a 'phantom dinoflagellate' found in natural and 
manmade fisheries of the eastern seacoast (US). This microorganism 
compares well with common parasites encountered in fresh and marine 
aquarium. 
  I have seen numerous other papers that deal with topics such as:

Disease susceptability and enviromental changes in the coastal fisheries
Disease susceptability in aquaculture and mariculture
Opportunistic pathogens (bacteria) in aquaculture waters
Heavy metal accumulations in natural fisheries comparing prestine and 
developed areas.
Disease and reproductive viability.
Diseases of hatching fish

There are relatively few papers which develope an enviromental defect or 
change and apply it to disease enhancement or susceptibility. The 
'phantom' paper is an exception, there are a few others.

I can not recommend a specific journal, and you probably need to try to 
find a good oceanography and marine biology library as a holo-resource.
In addition you'll will find a disproportionate number of papers which 
deal with disease and disease related issues in the shellfish and 
crustecean culture and natural fisheries.

Philip 



From scolenut@uoguelph.ca Sun Jul 30 01:42:52 EDT 1995
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From: scolenut@uoguelph.ca (Sandra C Colenutt)
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I am currently in my fourth year at University and am considering doing  
a Aquaculture technicians program when I am finished.  Is this a good 
field to get into?  I would be interested in knowing any places I could 
visit in the Southern Ontario region where I could see aquaculture  being 
used to decide if this really is what I would like to do with my life.  

Could you please e-mail me directly with any comments you have since I 
don't get many chances to check my account at the moment.  

Thank you.

Sandra
scolenut.uoguelph.ca


From cr_batishko@pnl.gov Sun Jul 30 01:42:53 EDT 1995
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From: cr_batishko@pnl.gov (Chuck)
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I know this is not the rec.fishing location, but thought there may be somebody
out there who knows this relatively unknown river.  Anybody know the Cispis
River.  It is a tributary of the Cowlitz, I believe, and is located NW of
Mt. Adams and WSW of Goat Rocks in the Gifford Pinchot Forest of central
Washington state.  I've never been there, but will be this weekend and would
like to know what fish are found there and if there is any reasonable chance
of good fishing.  My only info is from 1968 and 1969 "fishing guides", so is
badly out of date.  They both agree that the stream contains rainbow,
cutthroat, and Dolly Varden, with brook trout in the upper reaches.  Can
anybody confirm that, or better yet, add to it?

Thanks very much.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
                               |     Rabble in Arms by
                               |     Kenneth Roberts
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From rphen@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 30 01:42:54 EDT 1995
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From: rphen@ix.netcom.com (Ralph Phenix)
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whatduck@ix.netcom.com (whatduck) wrote:

>   I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
>weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
>I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
>to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
>be appreciated.

>Brian and the Duck

Most triploid grass carp can be purchased in Arkansas.  Be sure to
check with your state wildlfe department to see if grass carp are
legal.
Reno, Nevada
rphen@ix.netcom.com



From pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:55 EDT 1995
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John D Pruett (pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu) wrote:
: I have recently stocked a pond and the Arkansas fish producers 
: recommended that I put fathead minnows in the pond.  I stocked the pond 
: with bluegill and largemouth.  I am afraid the pond may me slightly 
: overstocked.  Would dumping fathead minnows prevent my fish from becoming 
: stunted?  I was afraid to put them in initially because i know that 
: minnows some sometimes overtake a pond, or at least i have heard this.  
: I was also told that fathead minnows will not get any larger than 4".  Is 
: this also true?  Can anyone make any recommendations.  Maybe I should try 
: to locate someone at Auburn University?

I must say that this group has been very supportive.  I have been given a 
reply by Mr. Meredith and I would like to say that I appreciate the 
support.  I have not followed up on his contacts, but I believe as anyone 
who you could find to sell you fathead minnows will tell you, they are 
good for your pond.  When I follow up on Mr. Meredith's advice, I will 
advise all in this newsgroup.  I am sure there are several people with 
small ponds who would like to know if these little critters are the best 
source of food supply and nutrition available (with little effort of 
course).  Thanks for your patience and I hope to provide some enlightenment.

jp


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From: vbusto@Direct.CA (Vince Busto)
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Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu> wrote:

>..and just look how well the anadromous species are doing in that 
>region.  Maybe the folks in Hawaii should start from scratch, and 
>"build a better mousetrap".

You need more than fishways.  You need a good management shceme and
cooperation from all groups affecting the resource.

I would contact Chris Katopodis for information on existing fishway
designs.

 KATOPODIS@AM@WPGDFO

Vince Busto




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From: jrm@windy.blwtl.uwo.ca (Jim R Millar)
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Hello, I couldn't find a newsgroup that matched what I was looking for
but anyway, here goes:

I have a friend finishing her statistics degree, and she'd like to do
a Master's degree in water pollution.  She's Japanese and would like
to do it in Japan.  The problem is that in Japan, water pollution is
not studied much because industry doesn't want to deal with the
problem. (So she says...)  Anyway, do any of you know of anyone Japan
that she could do a Master's with in water pollution?
Please email your reply to:
jrm@windy.blwtl.uwo.ca
Thankyou very much.
-James


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In article <173E28C8CS85.BALBUENA@vm.ci.uv.es>, BALBUENA@vm.ci.uv.es 
says...
>
>I am looking for information concerning the economic importance of 
marine
>fisheries and aquaculture in the world. Is there any source where I can
>get the % of GNP of these activities by country? I would really 
appreciate
>any answer.
> 
>================================================================
>Juan A. Balbuena
>Department of Animal Biology, University of Valencia, Spain.
>phone: +34 6 386 43 75   fax: +34 6 386 43 72
>e-mail: balbuena@uv.es
>================================================================

Seems like the World Bank would have your data.  They had that kind of 
information is avialable for the Philippines and may also be available 
for other nations.

Good Luck
CA



From stevek@iphc.washington.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:58 EDT 1995
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From: stevek@iphc.washington.edu (Steve Kaimmer)
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Subject: Re: Cispis River in Washington State?
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In article <3v6bii$m4p@bbs.pnl.gov>, cr_batishko@pnl.gov says...
>
>I know this is not the rec.fishing location, but thought there may be 
somebody
>out there who knows this relatively unknown river.  Anybody know the 
Cispis
>River.  It is a tributary of the Cowlitz, I believe, and is located NW 
of
>Mt. Adams and WSW of Goat Rocks in the Gifford Pinchot Forest of central
>Washington state.  I've never been there, but will be this weekend and 
would
>like to know what fish are found there and if there is any reasonable 
chance
>of good fishing.  My only info is from 1968 and 1969 "fishing guides", 
so is
>badly out of date.  They both agree that the stream contains rainbow,
>cutthroat, and Dolly Varden, with brook trout in the upper reaches.  Can
>anybody confirm that, or better yet, add to it?
>
>Thanks very much.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
>cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
>                               |     Rabble in Arms by
>                               |     Kenneth Roberts
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lucky you.  In the late 70's, I fished this a few times.  A power company 
put a dam on the river, and as compensation, agreed to stock the river.  
They stock(ed?) silver salmon.  They get to 18 or 20 inches.  Spin cast 
off the banks with dick nite's or canadian wonders, that type of lure, 
use light gear, 6 pound main line.  Have fun.



From barbara@hambel.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 30 01:42:59 EDT 1995
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Are there any groups interested in Taxonomy and 
Systematics of Parasitic Copepoda both of fishes 
and invertebrates?
Thanks, B.



From mycol1@unm.edu Sun Jul 30 01:43:00 EDT 1995
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From: mycol1@unm.edu (Bryant)
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I am studying secondary sexual characteristics in fathead minnows and red 
shiners (Pimephales promelas and Cyprinella sp.).  

I wish to study the effect of parasites on the expression of these 
traits.  Does anybody out there know where I may obtain viruses or 
bacteria which use these fish as hosts?  

Thanks in advance.  Bryant




From robe8741@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu Sun Jul 30 01:43:01 EDT 1995
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From: robe8741@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Frank Roberts)
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_____________________________________________________
  			JOB ANNOUNCEMENT
	
POSITION:		Fisheries Habitat Biologist
JOB LOCATION:		Plummer, Idaho
START DATE:		October 1, 1995
SALARY:			$27,000-$35,000 DOE
CLOSING DATE:		September 1, 1995

QUALIFICATIONS

	1.)  	Bachelor of Science in fisheries biology or 
		closely related field with at least three 
		years of professional  experience in fisheries
		habitat restoration.

	2.)	Good communication skills both written and oral,
		are necessary in developing and maintaining
		professional relationships and aggressively 
		promoting the habitat restoration program with
		both Tribal and non tribal, Public and Local, 
		State, and Federal Agencies
	
	3.)	Knowledge of the principles, techniques and 
		practices of fisheries management and biology
 		to contribute in the development and management 
		of a sound fisheries program.

	4.)	Completion of the knowledge, skills and abilities
		portion of this application.

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES

Responsible for planning, organizing and directing activities 
related to the fisheries enhancement program on the 
Coeur d'Alene Reservation.

Responsible for development of landowner liaison and perform field 
reconnaissance in preparation for implementation of habitat 
improvement projects.

Prepare riparian easements, landowner cooperative agreements
and construction and maintenance contracts to implement and 
maintain habitat enhancement projects.

Function as project leader in implementation of fish habitat 
enhancement projects.

Provide technical assistance to and coordinate with 
various entities regarding habitat improvement 
programs on private, public and tribal lands.

Prepare reports, statement of work, draft necessary budgets to 
implement restoration work.

Supervise habitat technicians.

Perform other duties as assigned

KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITY

Candidates will be evaluated on answers to "knowledge, skills, and 
Abilities: (KSA's).  Use a separate sheet of paper to answer the 
following questions.  To receive full credit for your 
qualifications, be sure to describe experiences, training, 
awards, hobbies, self development achievements and any aspects 
of your background which demonstrates the level of KSA's you 
possess. The KSA's will be the principle basis for 
determining whether or not you are highly qualified for 
the job.

	a.)	Describe experience in planning, designing and 
		implementing  fish habitat restorations projects. 
		Provide specific examples of a project you either 
		designed or managed.  Include examples of
 		complexity and responsibility.

	b.)	Describe knowledge, training and experience 
		related to fish population dynamics, 
		geomorphic processes associated with stream 
		stability and fish habitat needs and how 
		this has been applied in past work history.

	c.)	Describe examples of working relationships with 
		public and private groups, and provide an 
		example of skills related to working with 
		these groups.

	d.)	Describe skills utilized in supervising and 
		training other workers and working as a 
		"team member".

	e.)	Provide three references who have a good 
		knowledge of your work experience.

The Coeur d'Alene Tribe is an equal oppurtunity employer with 
the exception that Indian preference may be given in accordance 
with Public Law 93-638 (The Indian Self-Determination and 
Education Assistance Act).

HOW TO APPLY

A tribal application packet may be obtained by writing to the 
address below or telephoning (208) 686-1800. Applicant will
be rated on the completion of the Knowledge, skills and 
abilities (KSA) portion of this announcement. Submit a cover
letter stating the desired position you are applying for, 
and some personal background information along with a resume,
curriculum vitae or other appropriate documents and Tribal 
Application to:
	
			Coeur d'Alene Tribe
 			ATTN.:  Sharon Johnson
			Personnel Department
			Rt. 1 Box 11 FA
			Plummer, ID  83851


------------------------------------------------------------

  		JOB ANNOUNCEMENT
	
POSITION:		Tribal Biologist
JOB LOCATION:		Plummer, Idaho
START DATE:		October 1, 1995
SALARY:			$27,000-$35,000 DOE
CLOSING DATE:		September 1, 1995

QUALIFICATIONS

	1.)  	Bachelor of Science in fisheries biology 
		with at least three years of professional 
		experience in fisheries.  Some experience 
		in designing and implementing hatchery 
		supplementation projects is preferred.

	2.)	Good communication skills both written and oral, 
		are necessary in developing and maintaining 
		professional relationships and aggressively 
		promoting the habitat restoration program 
		with both Tribal and non tribal, public and 
		local, state, and federal agencies.

	3.)	Knowledge of the principles, techniques 
		and practices of fisheries management and 
		biology to contribute in the development 
		and management of a sound fisheries program.

	4.)	Completion of the knowledge, skills and 
		abilities portion of this application.

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES


The incumbent is responsible for obtaining, compiling and 
interpreting biological data to help in the planning and 
development of the tribal hatchery.  This includes an 
understanding of the development of production goals, 
carrying capacity, harvest rates and escapement values.  

Provide technical assistance to and coordinate with 
various entities regarding fishery resources 
affecting the Coeur d'Alene Tribe.

Prepare reports as needed.

Responsible for assisting in the development of
a fishery management plan to implement a 
reservation wide fishery program.

Participates in public awareness activities which 
include speaking at meetings, schools field trips and 
presentation of papers at symposia. 

As assigned, the incumbent will participate in those 
meetings related to the Coeur d'Alene Basin Restoration 
Project, Interdisciplinary team meetings for Tribal 
Forestry and other activities and other meetings as assigned.

Supervise fisheries technicians.

KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITY

Candidates will be evaluated on answers to "Knowledge, 
Skills, and Abilities: (KSA's).  Use a separate sheet 
of paper to answer the following questions.  To receive
full credit for your qualifications, be sure to describe
experiences, training, awards, hobbies, self development
achievements and any aspects of your background which 
demonstrates the level of KSA's you possess.  The KSA's
will be the principle basis for determining whether or not 
you are highly qualified for the job.

	a.)	Describe experience in planning, designing 
		and implementing fish production and harvest
		programs.  Provide specific examples of a 
		project you either designed or managed.  
		Include examples of complexity and 
		responsibility.

	b.)	Describe knowledge, training and experience
		related to fish  habitat and supplementation 
		and how this has been applied in past 
		work assignments.

	c.)	Describe examples of working relationships 
		with public and private groups, and provide
		an example of skills related to working with 
		these groups.

	d.)	Describe skills utilized in supervising and 
		training other workers and working 
		as a "team member".

	e.)	Provide three references who have a good
		knowledge of your work experience.

The Coeur d'Alene Tribe is an equal oppurtunity employer with 
the exception that Indian preference may be given in accordance 
with Public Law 93-638 (The Indian Self-Determination and
Education Assistance Act).

HOW TO APPLY

A tribal application packet may be obtained by writing to
the address below or telephoning (208) 686-1800. 
Applicant will be rated on the completion of the Knowledge,
skills and abilities (KSA) portion of this announcement.  
Submit a cover letter stating the desired position you are
applying for, and some personal background information 
along with a resume, curriculum vitae or other appropriate 
documents and Tribal Application to
 	
			Coeur d'Alene Tribe
			ATTN.:  Sharon Johnson
			Personnel Department
			Rt. 1 Box 11 FA
			Plummer, ID  83851








From cr_batishko@pnl.gov Sun Jul 30 01:43:02 EDT 1995
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From: cr_batishko@pnl.gov (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Cispis River - THANKS!
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In article <3v88hr$k8l@nntp5.u.washington.edu>, stevek@iphc.washington.edu (Steve Kaimmer) says:
>
>In article <3v6bii$m4p@bbs.pnl.gov>, cr_batishko@pnl.gov says...
>>
>>I know this is not the rec.fishing location, but thought there may be 
>somebody
>>out there who knows this relatively unknown river.  Anybody know the 
>Cispis
>>River
--- clip ---.
>Lucky you.  In the late 70's, I fished this a few times.  A power company 
>put a dam on the river, and as compensation, agreed to stock the river.  
>They stock(ed?) silver salmon.  They get to 18 or 20 inches.  Spin cast 
>off the banks with dick nite's or canadian wonders, that type of lure, 
>use light gear, 6 pound main line.  Have fun.
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks!  Actually, I'll probably try fly fishing, but based on what you say,
may take my ultralight spinning gear (2 lb usually, 4 lb max) with me.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
                               |     Rabble in Arms by
                               |     Kenneth Roberts
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From slscott@sfsu.edu Sun Jul 30 01:43:03 EDT 1995
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From: slscott@sfsu.edu (STACY LEAH SCOTT)
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Subject: Fish Osteology
Date: 29 Jul 1995 03:35:46 GMT
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I'm looking for references on fish osteology, with or without
illustration, both general and species-specific.  Thanks in
advance, and please either post or e-mail slscott@sfsu.edu

Stacy Scott


From kenacks@delphi.com Sun Jul 30 01:43:04 EDT 1995
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The first two issues (Summer and Fall, 1994) of
a newsletter entitled

"ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE VALUATION AND COST BENEFIT NEWS"

are available free of charge. Please send

Name________________________________________________
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Street Address______________________________________
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to kenacks@delphi.com call (516) 897-9728, or fax (516) 897-9185

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default) or a uuencoded (binary) wordperfect version.


From mlerner@minerva.cis.yale.edu Sun Jul 30 01:43:04 EDT 1995
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Do any of you know which lake in the US has the most fish/animal life?  
How would you find out?



From stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca Sun Jul 30 22:50:34 EDT 1995
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From: stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Paul Stewart)
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	I would like to correspond with anyone who has info on the 
establishment and maintenance of a cell line from fish epithelial tissue. 
I am especially interested in the media and methodologies most commonly 
used. 

ABIOGEN c/o Paul Stewart
RR #2 Vernon Bridge
Prince Edward Island
CANADA   C0A 2E0
stewart@cycor.ca


From BARKLEYT@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu Sun Jul 30 22:50:36 EDT 1995
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From: BARKLEYT@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Tim Barkley)
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Hi Stacy.  We show the following reference in our database.
You can probably order this book to your local library through
the inter-library loan system by on of the call numbers (OCLC,
ISN, LCCN etc).  Good luck.

Tim Barkley
Information Coordinator for Sustainable Agriculture
Ohio State University Extension
barkleyt@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu

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CALL #       QL639 .R54 1991.
AUTHOR       Rojo, Alfonso L., 1921-
TITLE        Dictionary of evolutionary fish osteology / Alfonso L. Rojo.
IMPRINT      Boca Raton : CRC Prees, c1991.
DESCRIPT'N   273 p. : ill. ; 27 cm.
NOTE         English, French, German, Latin, Russian, and Spanish.
             Includes bibliographical references (p. 180-197)
SUBJECT      Fishes --Anatomy --Dictionaries --Polyglot.
             Fishes --Evolution --Dictionaries --Polyglot.
             Bones --Dictionaries --Polyglot.
             Dictionaries, Polyglot.
OCLC #       23766047.
ISN/OTHER#   0849342147.
LCCN         91-16508.
ALT #        4903493.

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In <3vcaai$t3h@news.csus.edu> slscott@sfsu.edu writes:

> I'm looking for references on fish osteology, with or without
> illustration, both general and species-specific.  Thanks in
> advance, and please either post or e-mail slscott@sfsu.edu
> 
> Stacy Scott


From koeltz@shout.net Sun Jul 30 22:50:37 EDT 1995
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our Ichthyology catalog is available for viewing and downloading at
http://www.shout.net/~koeltz/



From ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jul 31 11:31:20 EDT 1995
Article: 516 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don McAllister)
Subject: Oil slick and trawled bottom area
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Hi Sci.bio.fisheries

I am seeking data on how much of the ocean surface
is covered by oil slicks and how much of the
continental shelf is regularly trawled by otter,
beam and other trawls.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Don
--
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Canadian Museum of Nature ####  3332 McCarthy Road, Ottawa, ON K1V 0W0
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From gotmyespy@aol.com Mon Jul 31 22:00:04 EDT 1995
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Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.med.nutrition:28361 sci.bio.fisheries:517

There is a company called "Nature's Catch" that owns fish ponds and grows
striped bass & talapia (sp?). It's supposedly very health-conscious stuff
>from  what I hear, but I've never personally had any. I think they sell to
industrial kitchens and schools mostly. 
Anyone ever hear of this place?


From Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk Tue Aug  1 09:09:15 EDT 1995
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From: roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk>
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The Velvet Crab (Liocarcinus puber) has been a neglected species around
the British coast, but is set to become commercially important.

One of the problems with these crabs is that they are less hardy than
other species and do not survive long out of water. (They may be harmed
by pressure changes.)

Has anyone any relevant information, including details of commercial
exploitation elsewhere.

Roger
 
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
               A dragon in shallows falls victim to shrimps.
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com (brett rowley)
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I'm beginning to wonder if anybody comes to this group, or are all
fisheries people too shy to post? I'll try and bring a little life by
posting something every now and then rather than only read the two or
three articles that appear daily.
Anybody out there hatching blue catfish (Ictalurus furcatus)? If so,
have you seen any albinos? We hatched and shipped about 500,000 fry
this spring, and I noticed that in some of the remnants in one trough
there was an albino. I've hatched over 20 million blue cats in the last
15 years and never seen an albino till now. I'm raising the albino in
the trough and would like to get another one or two if they exist.
Please post or e-mail me if you know of such. TIA, 
Brett Rowley
Fisheries biologist



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From: kcowing@aibs.org (Keith L. Cowing)
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American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) 
46th Annual Meeting
Town & Country Hotel, San Diego, CA
August 6 - 10, 1995

For further information on the AIBS Annual Meeting, contact Donna Haegele
at 202-628-1500 x254 (voice), 202-628-1509 (FAX), or via email at
dhaegele@aibs.org   

You can also check our gopher at gopher.aibs.org or via WWW at gopher://aibs.org

Selected Program Highlights 

____________________

Sunday, August 6
____________________

Plenary Session
7:00 pm, Presidio Room

The opening session features a talk by the AIBS President's Award
recipient, Francisco Ayala, the Donald Bren Professor of Biological
Sciences and Professor of Philosophy at the University of California at
Irvine.  

AIBS awards to be presented during the plenary session are: 


€ President's Award: Francisco Ayala, University of California at Irvine,
for his efforts to keep evolution in school curricula

€ Distinguished Service: John Cairns, Jr., Virginia Polytechnic Institute
and State University, for his continued work on the application of
ecological information in management

€ Media Award: Rosie Mestel for her article in the October 1994 issues of
Discover Magazine entitle "Ascent of the Dog"


€ Past President: Harold Mooney, Stanford University, for his valued
service to the Institute 

____________________

Monday, August 7
____________________

Plenary Symposium: Ethics, Science, and Public Policy
8:30 am, Presidio Room

The plenary session examines science-ethics dilemmas in public agencies,
academia, the private sector, and the law.  Topics include "The strange
case of ethics and agency science," "The pressures of organizations and
the responsibilities of university professors," "Ethical tensions in
technical consulting," and "Ethics vs. science vs. the law."  


Insights from Recent Studies of Early Succession 
8:00 am, Padre Room

This session examines succession of communities in areas such as Mount St.
Helens and the Indiana dunes.  Other talks include "The role of understory
disturbances in succession: The tyranny of small decisions," "Experiments
on mechanisms of primary succession," "Arrested succession," and
"Trajectories of succession and restoration of southern California
shrublands after anthropogenic disturbance."  


Conservation Biology: Bridging the Gap Between Research and Practice (2
sessions)
8:00 am, Sierra Room

Talks in this session include "Influence of population genetic structure
on reproductive output in rare plants," "Genetic erosion and fitness
consequences in small populations of plants: What is the evidence?"
"Hybridization in rare plants: Implications for conservation biology," and
"Genetics in conservation programs, or when do we need designer genes?" 

1:00 pm, Sierra Room
Topics in this section include "Developing a strategy for conservation of
native Monterey pine forests in California," "Population viability
assessments for plant species associated with old-growth Douglas-fir
forest ecosystems in the Pacific Northwest," "Managing for rare plants
within the Columbia River Basin," and "Scientific assessment of the
distributional patterns of rare and/or endemic plants for the Sierra
Nevada."  

Scientific and Ethical Concerns with Agricultural and Environmental
Biotechnology
1:00 pm, Chamber Room

Discussion will focus on the concerns with biotechnology advances in
agriculture and its effect on the environment. 

The Science and Ethics of "Artificial" (Classical and Neoclassical)
Biological Control
2:00 pm, Council Room

This session explores the ethics and science of using living organisms to
control pest populations as an environmentally sound alternative to
chemical pest control.  Talks include "The ethics of biological control:
Understanding the moral responsibility of our most powerful ecological
technology," and "Extinction and other environmental impacts caused by
introduced biological control agents."  

Special Lecture: The Lost Genius of Wilhelm Hofmeister: The Origin of
Causal-Analytical Research in Plant Development
4:00 pm, Presidio Room


Essential Botanical Knowledge at the College/University Level (2 sessions)
4:30 pm, Adobe Room

Talks include "Teaching genetics: hands-on science in teaching,"
"Introducing ethical issues into technical courses," and "Including
research and research-like experiences in teaching the plant sciences."  

____________________

Tuesday, August 8
____________________

The Natural History of the Southwest, Its Flora and Fauna: A Tribute to
the Career of Charles H. Lowe
8:00 am, Hampton Room

The symposium will honor Dr. C. H. Lowe, University of Arizona, for his
commitment to understanding the herpetofauna and vegetation of the
Southwest.  It will also present new information and synthetic works on
organisms and ecosystems shaped by the complex and stressful environments
of the American Southwest.   


Ecological Models for Environmental Risk and Policy Analysis
8:15 am, Committee Room

Ecological modeling for predicting effects of various pollutants will be
discussed.  Talks include "Modelling the fate and effects of pollutants in
aquatic ecosystems," "Assessing uncertainty and risk in exploited marine
populations," "New paradigms for models in fishery and forest management,"
and "Modelling extinction rates based on species distributions and land
conversion rates."  


Open Discussion - International Society for Ecological Modeling
1:00 pm, Committee Room

An open forum for the discussion of the current and future state of
modelling, systems analysis, and simulation in ecology and natural
resource management as it relates to education, communication with
resource managers, policy makers and funding agencies, and anything else
of concern to those with an interest in ecological modelling.  

Exploitative Interactions of Flowers and Insects: The Evolution of
Balanced Conflict (2)
1:30 pm, Senate Room

Evolutionary adaptions of plants including tropical vines, angiosperms,
and yuccas are explored in conjunction with changes from those insects
that pollinate those species such as bees and hummingbirds.  Specific
talks include "Exploitation, cheating and the mutualism-antagonism
continuum," and "The evolutionary consequences of variation in pollinator
environment."  

Essential Botanical Knowledge at the College/University Level (2nd session)
4:45 pm, Forum Room

This second section includes talks on "Ethics in science: Whose work is it
anyhow?" The value of women role models in teaching botany," and "How to
get everything done that needs to get done in freshman botany besides
teaching content."  

____________________

Wednesday, August 9
____________________

Vegetation and Floristics of the United States-Mexican Boundary Region (2
sessions)
8:00 am, Presidio Room

Talks include "Introduction: The biogeography and ecology of the Frontera
region," "Evolution and historical biogeography of the Chihuahuan and
Sonoran Deserts," "Anthropogenic vegetation change along the U.S./Mexico
boundary," and "Range limitations of the flora of the western Frontera.  

Genetic Engineering and Conservation
8:30 am, Sunrise Room

Talks will include "Will transgenes escape into natural populations?"
"Ecological safety assessment of transgentic plants," "Genetic engineering
and the conservation of rare forest species," and "Genomic analysis and
the environment."  


Medicinal Plants: The Importance and Impact of the Search for
Plant-Derived Drugs
8:40 am, Committee Room

Talks include "The past, present and future importance of plant-derived
medicines," 
"Plants as a source of novel drugs: The NCI experience," and "The impact
of bioprospecting on botanical research and conservation."  The session
will also present studies from several regions, including Honduas, Zambia,
and Nicaragua.  


Vegetation and Floristics of the United States-Mexican Boundary Region (2
sessions)
1:00 pm, Presidio Room

Talks in the second session include "The vernal pools of souther
California and northern Baja California, Mexico," "Disrupted
plant/pollinator relationships in the U.S./Mexico border states: Effects
of chemically-induced habitat fragmentation," "Afterward: The future of
the biota of the Frontera," and "Systematic studies on oak woodlands of
the border region in southwestern North America."  


Forensic Botany: Plant Sciences in the Courts
1:00 pm, Sunrise Room

This symposium will provide an in-depth introduction into forensic botany
and will include a discussion of evidence in the Lindbergh case.  Other
talks include "Forensic botany: An under-utilized resource," "Forensic
botany: The entomological evidence," and Forensic botany: The soil
alternative."   


WORKSHOPS

Although workshops have a nominal fee, this fee may be waived for
credentialed press.  Please contact Jennie Moehlmann at AIBS for more
information (202-628-1500 x240 or jmoehlmann@aibs.org).

____________________

Sunday, August 6
____________________

Workshop: An Introduction to World Wide Web
9:00 am, San Diego State University, Student Services Building, Room 2659


Workshop: Teaching Critical Thinking Skills (2 sessions)
9:00 am, Council/Chamber Room
1:00 pm, Council/Chamber Room


Workshop: Preparing the Next Generation of Biology Instructors (2 sessions)
1:00 pm, University of San Diego, Serra Hall, Room 210


____________________

Wednesday, August 9
____________________

Workshop: Mycology in Sustainable Development: Expanding Concepts,
Vanishing Borders
1:00 pm, Padre Room

This workshop will include discussions of environmentally friendly new
technologies such as biocontrol agents and recombinant symbiosis,
bioprospecting, and enlightened management techniques.

-- 
Keith L. Cowing  -  Manager of Planning and Operations
American Institute of Biological Sciences
10700 Parkridge Blvd Suite 380  -  Reston, VA, USA 22091
703-758-1212 voice  -  703-758-1222 fax
kcowing@aibs.org  -  gopher://aibs.org


From cr_batishko@pnl.gov Wed Aug  2 22:39:48 EDT 1995
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From: cr_batishko@pnl.gov (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Cispis River in Washington State? - Follow-up Report
Date: 31 Jul 1995 20:56:03 GMT
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In article <3v6bii$m4p@bbs.pnl.gov>, cr_batishko@pnl.gov (Chuck) says:
>
>I know this is not the rec.fishing location, but thought there may be somebody
>out there who knows this relatively unknown river.  Anybody know the Cispis
>River.
--- clip ---
For any having an interest, I spent the weekend at Adams Forks Campground
on the Cispus.  Most of the folks there had trail bikes and were off elsewhere
leaving the stream pretty deserted.  The water was quite cloudy from reported
upstream rains, but looked more like glacier melt to me.  I fished nymphs and
tried dry flies without a strike or any hint of a strike and saw no action to
convince me that fish were present.  By Sunday, the water had cleared some
but was still a little milky.

Both days I moved to the North Fork of the Cispus and caught fish from 3" to
8" (releasing all carefully from mostly barbless hooks), exclusively on dry
flies - not a touch on a wet.  Fish were rainbow and cutthroat trout. Given this
the regulations are a bit curious - 2 fish limit over 8", no more than one over 12".
This is similar to many streams here in Washington where there seems to be
little chance of fish of any size.  Can anybody explain the logic?  It seems
unlikley that there are fish over 12" (rare exeption?) - not even salmon or
steelhead since I understand they are blocked by dams.

Bright spots in an otherwise dull fishing story:  the weather,scenery and
solitude were glorious, and we found wild blueberries, black caps and one
other black berry (marionberry? - not sure of identification) that were ripe and
wonderful.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
>cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
>                               |     Rabble in Arms by
>                               |     Kenneth Roberts
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
                               |     Rabble in Arms by
                               |     Kenneth Roberts
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From Pavilion_sub@pavilion.co.uk Wed Aug  2 22:39:50 EDT 1995
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From: Pavilion_sub@pavilion.co.uk (Quentin)
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Subject: contributors sought
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 19:41:28 +0000
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I'm posting this again, as there weren't a lot of replies last time....

A commercial fisheries publication, based in the UK and appearing
fortnightly is seeking potential contributors around the world.
Although the magazine is concerned primarily with the European fishing
industries, it is due to expand its scope later this year, and will be
carrying worldwide news. The European coverage will probably remain
unchanged, but the editor intends to devote more space to news from Asia,
including Japan and China, and in North and South America.
Anyone interested in contributing and/or seeking further information,
please contact me, (preferably with a mailing address if you would like to
see a sample copy) and I will pass on your details to the editor.

Quentin

<  quentin@pavilion.co.uk  >


From barbara@hambel.demon.co.uk Wed Aug  2 22:39:51 EDT 1995
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Subject: J.L.B. Smith
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Anyone at J.L.B. Smith Institute of Ichthyology,
Grahamstown, South Africa on Internet please?



From zapitb4@aol.com Wed Aug  2 22:39:52 EDT 1995
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From: zapitb4@aol.com (Zapitb4)
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Our pond is void of vegatation. The deepest part is 12 ft.. The location
is central Illinios. The water temp is 84 degrees. Algea is forming? What
is causing it? Will vegatation cure the problem. I am sorry for my
spelling. Waol needs a spell checker. Thanks in advance for any help.


From Tghynes@execpc.com Wed Aug  2 22:39:54 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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Subject: Re: grass eating carp
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 03:54:10 GMT
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whatduck@ix.netcom.com (whatduck) wrote:

>   I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
>weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
>I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
>to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
>be appreciated.

>Brian and the Duck

Brian,

It is my understanding that normally sterile grass eating
carp are employed.  However, some unethical vendors have
been selling non-sterile fish as sterile.

In WI, MN, MI it is against the law to bring in either
sterile or non-sterile fish.  I'm not sure of the status in
IL.  In WI you will pay for the DNR to kill and remove all
fish, even in a private pond, if they become aware of these
fish in the state. Has happened to some golf courses. 

There has been some studies which indicate an increase in
the amount of algae after introduction of these fish.  The
fish do not digest very thoroughly.  This resulted in
detrimental effects on light penetration which killed the
desired plants, habitat, etc. wreaking more havoc than the
weeds which they were cure.

A group of us wanted to do a commercial venture to control
millfoil in lakes.  A member of the WI DNR relayed this
information  via telecon. 

PS: I threw out the address, but the vendor was in Ohio.



From Tghynes@execpc.com Wed Aug  2 22:39:54 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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Subject: Re: grass eating carp
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whatduck@ix.netcom.com (whatduck) wrote:

>   I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
>weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
>I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
>to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
>be appreciated.

>Brian and the Duck

Brian,

It is my understanding that normally sterile grass eating
carp are employed.  However, some unethical vendors have
been selling non-sterile fish as sterile.

In WI, MN, MI it is against the law to bring in either
sterile or non-sterile fish.  I'm not sure of the status in
IL.  In WI you will pay for the DNR to kill and remove all
fish, even in a private pond, if they become aware of these
fish in the state. Has happened to some golf courses. 

There has been some studies which indicate an increase in
the amount of algae after introduction of these fish.  The
fish do not digest very thoroughly.  This resulted in
detrimental effects on light penetration which killed the
desired plants, habitat, etc. wreaking more havoc than the
weeds which they were cure.

A group of us wanted to do a commercial venture to control
millfoil in lakes.  A member of the WI DNR relayed this
information  via telecon. 

PS: I threw out the address, but the vendor was in Ohio.



From lektrode@interpac.net Wed Aug  2 22:39:56 EDT 1995
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From: Lektrode <lektrode@interpac.net>
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Subject: Hawaiian International Billfish Tournament
Date: 2 Aug 1995 04:15:40 GMT
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Aloha and Greetings from Kona, Hawai`i.......

The 37th HIBT is under way and this event will be of interest to those in
the marine research community.

A tag and release fishing tournament, the focal point this year will be 
the tagging of 7 Pacific Blue Marlin with transponders for satellite 
tracking by the Pacific Ocean Research Foundation. (PORF)

The PORF scientific team headed by Dr Peter Saul and board of governors:

Dr Barbara Block - Stanford
Dr Richard Brill - Nat'l Marine Fisheries Svc - Honolulu
Dr Peter Davie - Massey University NZ
Dr Charles Daxboeck - Biodax Consulting - Hawai`i
Dr John Graves - Virginia Inst of Marine Sciences
Dr Carol Hopper - Waikiki Aquarium
Dr Julian Pepperell - Sydney AUS

- are in Kona for this very special event and will be working to promote 
knowledge and conservation of the fisheries of Hawai`i and the world.

For the first time the research community will be able to monitor the 
movements of the tagged billfish with sophisticated satellite tracking 
technology utilizing NOAA satellites, and the Internet.

Scientific and research teams from PORF, NOAA, UHawai`i Pelagic Fisheries 
Research Program and a contingent of graduate students from Stanford 
working with the Monterey Bay Aquarium and the Tuna Research and 
Conservation Center in Monterey CA will be collaborating to bring a 
wealth of new information to efforts to conserve the worlds rapidly 
depleting fisheries.

Sponsorship of the research is key to it's continuation and is the 
primary focus of the Hawaiian International Billfish Tournament which 
has drawn 72 teams of experienced anglers from around the world.

More information can be had from the URL below and a mailing list is 
being formed for SPECIAL REPORTS direct from Tournament Headquarters 
in Kona.

to receive these reports:

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From Tghynes@execpc.com Wed Aug  2 22:39:57 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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Subject: Re: grass eating carp
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 04:19:16 GMT
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whatduck@ix.netcom.com (whatduck) wrote:

>   I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
>weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
>I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
>to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
>be appreciated.

>Brian and the Duck

Brian,

It is my understanding that normally sterile grass eating
carp are employed.  However, some unethical vendors have
been selling non-sterile fish as sterile.

In WI, MN, MI it is against the law to bring in either
sterile or non-sterile fish.  I'm not sure of the status in
IL.  In WI you will pay for the DNR to kill and remove all
fish, even in a private pond, if they become aware of these
fish in the state. Has happened to some golf courses. 

There has been some studies which indicate an increase in
the amount of algae after introduction of these fish.  The
fish do not digest very thoroughly.  This resulted in
detrimental effects on light penetration which killed the
desired plants, habitat, etc. wreaking more havoc than the
weeds which they were cure.

A group of us wanted to do a commercial venture to control
millfoil in lakes.  A member of the WI DNR relayed this
information  via telecon. 

PS: I threw out the address, but the vendor was in Ohio.



From reakins@beak.com Thu Aug  3 22:37:47 EDT 1995
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Any of the Great Lakes especially Lake Erie would be my best guess.

Rob Eakins
Fisheries Biologist

BEAK CONSULTANTS LIMITED



From reakins@beak.com Thu Aug  3 22:37:48 EDT 1995
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The drawing of the the trout is a brown.  Salmon eriox is an old name.

Rob Eakins
Fisheries Biologist

BEAK CONSULTANTS LIMITED



From clance@aztec.co.za Thu Aug  3 22:37:49 EDT 1995
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From: Caradoc Lance <clance@aztec.co.za>
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The FISH AFRICA '95 EXHIBITION is happening in Cape Town, South Africa 
>from  Nov. 30 - Dec 2 ..... Bringing buyers and sellers together for their 
mutual benefit ....... and covering everything from SEAFOOD / AQUACULTURE 
/ ELECTRONICS / FISHING etc. to BOATS / EQUIPMENT / MACHINERY / ICE - 
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From Robin.Stock@ping.be Thu Aug  3 22:37:50 EDT 1995
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Subject: AD: Looking to invest in an aquaculture project in South-America
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Our company is looking for a partner , to merge or acquire an
aquaculture project in South-Amrica. (Chili, Argentine, Equador)


Please contact us for more information

Regards

Robin Stock

W&M Belgium

Email: Robin.stock@ping.be

fax: 32 81 30 18 23





From nna@le.ac.uk Thu Aug  3 22:37:51 EDT 1995
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From: "A.J.Cann" <nna@le.ac.uk>
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Subject: Spawning induced by iodine?
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I have heard rumours recently that some species of fish have been 
induced to spawn in aquaria by the addition of 0.5-1% potassium iodide 
to the water. I assume the logic for this is the regulation of endocrine 
hormones by iodine & therefore presumably, the ultimate release of 
pituitary hormones. This is therefore an alternative to pituitary 
hormone injections.
Does anyone know anything about this and/or does it sound feasible?

Dr Alan J. Cann  PhD,   Department of Microbiology & Immunology,
University of Leicester,  P.O. Box 138,  Medical Sciences Building,
University Road, Leicester LE1 9HN,  UK.
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From dbonar@olympus.net Mon Aug 14 13:23:01 EDT 1995
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From: dbonar@olympus.net (Dale B. Bonar)
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In article <3vrnu4$a9j@neptunus.pi.net>, Lub Ras <multi@pi.net> wrote:
>I have added some sections to SeafoodNet with links to:
>- Scientific Resources for Marine Fish etc. 
>- Aquaculture
>
>Also I included sections for Aquaria and Sportfishing with links to
>interesting sides.
>
>You are welcome to check it out! However, there could still be some
>thing not functioning properly.
>SeafoodNet: URL =    http://www.pi.net/~multi/seafood.htm


As of Wednesday, Aug. 9, the seafood.htm is empty.  Could you check to see if 
the file was loaded properly?

Dale


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dbonar@olympus.net (Dale B. Bonar) wrote:

>

>As of Wednesday, Aug. 9, the seafood.htm is empty.  Could you check to see if 
>the file was loaded properly?

>Dale

Dale,

I tested it myself today and the page was functioning properly.
However, i have made an update on Aug 6, i have added tables. 
Tables are supported by Netscape 1.1 browser, but i am now starting to
doubt how other browsers  are handling it.

Could you try it once moore, and if this is failing, please inform me
what browser you are using.

Best regards,
Lub Ras

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From zootw@zoo.latrobe.edu.au Mon Aug 14 13:23:05 EDT 1995
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Any ideas or references reguarding the impact that the periodicity of 
checking traps has on trapping success for small freshwater 
fish (30-40mm)?. Also has anyone had any success trapping in open
 water, I have had success in vegetated areas but none in open water
 and wonder whether this can be atributed to the nature of the fish
 or my trapping regime.

Thanks.





From Frank_A._Stancato@CC:Mail.bms.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:07 EDT 1995
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From: "Frank A. Stancato" <Frank_A._Stancato@CC:Mail.bms.com>
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Subject: Water chemistry effects (?) on fry gender
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Looking for info on the effects of water chemistry, (ie. pH,
salinity, hardness) on gender selection of fry of fresh water
game fish. I read an article on the ability to selectively 
produce more females in salt water fish using pressure.

Thanks,
Frank


From kenacks@delphi.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:08 EDT 1995
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The first three issues (Summer, 1994 through Winter, 1995) of
a newsletter entitled

"ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE VALUATION AND COST BENEFIT NEWS"

are available free of charge. Please send

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Street Address______________________________________
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to kenacks@delphi.com call (516) 897-9728, or fax (516) 897-9185

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The first three issues (Summer, 1994 through Winter, 1995) of
a newsletter entitled

"ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE VALUATION AND COST BENEFIT NEWS"

are available free of charge. Please send

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From multi@pi.net Mon Aug 14 13:23:10 EDT 1995
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From: multi@pi.net (Lub Ras )
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Subject: Re: Trout/ Aquaculture
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tract0r@aol.com (Tract0r) wrote:

>Please, please,please.......Any informati9on on raising trout,  trout
>farming I'mbuilding a trout farm and need some help.......Tract0r @aol

You can find on-line some information on starting up a trout
production. 

URL:gopher://thorplus.lib.purdue.edu:70/0R0-42098-/databases/AquaNIC/publicat/other_pubs/trout..pub
This material is based upon work supported by the Cooperative State 
Research Service and Extension Service, U.S. Department of 
Agriculture, under Special Project No. 87-EXCA-3-0836.

I quote for you the last section of this document:
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REFERENCES AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
	If you are a new or prospective trout farmer, not only will you 
need information concerning production management techniques, you 
may also need information concerning processing, marketing, 
economics, financial assistance, disease diagnostic services, water 
quality analyses, aquatic weed control, local and state laws and 
regulations, site selection and development, etc. In some areas, 
locating this information can be difficult.  The following are 
possible sources of information or assistance.

	1.	The County Cooperative Extension Service Office, usually 
listed under "County Government" in the telephone directory, 
can provide assistance. County Extension Agents are employees 
of Land Grant Universities. The County Agent may assist you 
directly or draw upon the experience and training of a 
university expert or refer you to some other state or federal 
agency who can provide you with the information or service you 
need.

   2.	In the coastal and Great Lake states, Land Grant Universities 
also have Sea Grant Programs. In many of these states, Marine 
Advisory Service Specialists can provide needed information.

   3.	State Game and Fish agencies may also be a source of 
information on laws and regulations, production technology and 
diseases.

   4.	The United States Department of Agriculture Soil Conservation 
Service can assist in site selection and facility development. 
This agency is usually listed in the telephone directory under 
"federal" or "United States Government."

   5.	The United States Department of Agriculture's five Regional 
Aquaculture Centers can also refer you to state specialists 
for other resources specific to your needs.

Center for Tropical and		
Subtropical Aquaculture
The Oceanic Institute Exp. Stn.
Makapu'u Point
Waimanalo, HI 96795

Western RegionalAquaculture Consortium		
School of Fisheries WH-10
University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195

Southern Regional Aquaculture Center
Delta Branch 
P.O. Box 197	
Stoneville, MS 38776
	
North Central Regional Aquaculture Center			
Room 13 Nat. Res. Bldg.
Michigan State University	
East Lansing, MI 48824-1222

Northeast Regional Aquaculture Center
Univ. of Massachusetts-Dartmouth
Research 201
North Dartmouth, MA 02747

  6.	The United States Department of Agriculture National 
Agriculture Library is the National Aquaculture Information 
Center. It provides informational services on aquaculture. The 
address is:

							U.S. Department of Agriculture
							Aquaculture Information Center
							Room 304 National Agriculture Library
							10301 Baltimore Boulevard
							Beltsville, MD 20705


REFERENCES
Hinshaw, J.M. 1990. Trout Farming - Handling eggs and fry. 
Southern Regional Aquaculture Center Publication 220, 
Stoneville, MS. 

Hinshaw, J.M., L.E. Rogers and J.E. Easley.  1990.  Budgets for 
trout production -estimating costs and returns for trout 
farming in the south.  Southern Regional Aquaculture Center 
Publication 221, Stoneville, MS.

Hinshaw, J.M. 1990. Trout Farming - A guide to production and 
inventory management. Southern Regional Aquaculture Center 
Publication 222, Stoneville, MS.

Hinshaw, J.M. 1990. Trout Farming - Feeds and feeding methods. 
Southern Regional Aquaculture Center Publication 223, 
Stoneville, MS.

Kain, K. and D. Garling. 1993. Trout culture in the North Central 
Region.  North Central Regional Aquaculture Center Publication 
108, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan.

Klontz, G.W. 1991. A manual for rainbow trout production on the 
family-owned farm. Nelson and Sons, Inc.  Murray, Utah.

Leitritz, E. and R.C. Lewis. 1980.  Trout and Salmon Culture. 
Division of Agricultural Sciences.  University of California.

Piper, R.G., I.B. McElwain, L.E. Orme, J.P. McCraren, L.G. Fowler 
and J.R. Leonard. 1982. Fish Hatchery Management. U.S. 
Department of Interior, Fish and Wildlife Service. Washington, 
D.C. 1982.

Stevenson, J.P. 1987. Trout Farming Manual.  Fishing News Books 
Limited.  Farnham, Surrey, England.
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Hope this info is usefull to you,

Best regards,
Lub Ras

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From johnso38@muvms6.wvnet.edu Mon Aug 14 13:23:12 EDT 1995
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I am setting up a hatchery for Angelfish and Discus and need some information.
I need to find sources for bulk activated carbon, ammonia removing resin, and
other needs.

Several months ago in the hobbiest magazines they mentioned in a sidebar that
the Japanese had developed a method of putting fish in a type of "suspended
animation" for shipping by air.  How can I find information about this
technology? How about the mild tranqualizers now used? How do I learn about
these?  Is ther a good referance that can tell me about these type of shipping
methods?  Please E-Mail me my server doesn't pick up everything that is posted.
Thanks,
F. Wayne Johnson, M.A.
Sarcatie Hatchery (future home of Almost Heaven Angels and Discus)
Huntington and Milton West Virginia
 


From shastarbt@aol.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:13 EDT 1995
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a good start is the book "Fish Hatchery Management" , R.Piper, ed.  I also
have seen a reference to a CRC Series book on Rainbow Trout Aquaculture
(may not be exact title) and their are lots of other rferences out there
as well.


From gcouger@agen.okstate.edu Mon Aug 14 13:23:15 EDT 1995
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From: gcouger@jsun.agen.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger)
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Subject: Re: Trapping small fish.
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In article <Pine.ULT.3.90.950810160132.1403A-100000-100000-100000-100000-100000@zoom.zoo.latrobe.edu.au>,
Tim Westbury  <zootw@zoo.latrobe.edu.au> wrote:
>
>Any ideas or references reguarding the impact that the periodicity of 
>checking traps has on trapping success for small freshwater 
>fish (30-40mm)?. Also has anyone had any success trapping in open
> water, I have had success in vegetated areas but none in open water
> and wonder whether this can be atributed to the nature of the fish
> or my trapping regime.
>
I have had very good luck trapping small fish in lakes and ponds. You just
need to build a trap with the right demensions for the target fish.

You have better luck near weed beds than in open water because  small fish
stay around weeds and away from open water.

If you are trapping in streams you can do much better by taking advantage
of fish swimming up stream. You use wing nets to direct fish into your
trap.

In running water you need to tend your traps much more often than in still
water. This might be several times a day in running water compaired to once
every couple or three days in still water.

Good luck
Gordon

Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
gcouger@master.ceat.okstate.edu 405-624-2855 evenings 
    I do not speak for my employer


From ralphc@sierra.net Mon Aug 14 13:23:16 EDT 1995
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From: Ralph Cutter <ralphc@sierra.net>
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Subject: RE:TROUT VISION. HELP!
Date: 11 Aug 1995 17:13:05 GMT
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I know trout see into the infra red and ultra violet spectrums but how 
far? Any good, concise articles available on the subject? Thanks. Ralph 
Cutter ralphc@sierra.net




From jtrust@huey.csun.edu Mon Aug 14 13:23:17 EDT 1995
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                   unmoderated group sci.geo.rivers

Summary:  Discusssion of geologic, climatologic, biologic, and engineering
          issues relating to rivers

Proponent:  Jeffrey Trust <jtrust@huey.csun.edu>
Mentor:     Ilana Stern <ilana@niwot.scd.ucar.edu>

This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the newsgroup
sci.geo.rivers.  This is not a call for votes; do not vote now.

RATIONALE:

Studies of rivers involve many fields of study- work in this field is
done by fish biologists, civil engineers, geologists, hydrologists,
foresters, and many others.  It is desirable for those involved in
river studies to have an efficient and informal way to discuss issues
relating to rivers.  Other relevant Usenet newsgroups include
sci.geo.hydrology, sci.bio.ecology, and sci.engr.civil.  It is, in
part, the purpose of this proposed newsgroup to provide an
interdisciplinary discussion of river issues that is frequently absent
>from  each of these newsgroups.  Discussion of rivers takes place in
each of the three newsgroups listed above, but the discussion in each
group often focuses only on those aspects of river studies relevant to
that particular group.

The sci.geo.* hierarchy was chosen because it includes many Earth
science-related groups, not just those of geologic interest.  The
scope of this newsgroup is intended to be interdisciplinary, and the
sci.geo.* hierarchy is the best choice (short of creating a new sci.*
hierarchy).

CHARTER:  sci.geo.rivers

sci.geo.rivers is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup for the discussion
of the geology, biology, and other aspects of the scientific study of
rivers.  This newsgroup will serve as a place for members of the
scientific community, and others interested, to discuss: 1) the
geologic processes related to rivers, 2) climatology, as it is related
to rivers, to include such topics as water supply and flooding, 3)
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wildlife, forest, and human ecology, 4) engineering issues, as related
to rivers, to include such topics as the effects of human modification
(e.g., dams, revetments, and channelization), 6) drainage basin
management, including such topics as stream, estuary, and wetlands
protection and restoration, and 7) other topics not mentioned above,
but that have scientific relevance to rivers.

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Followup posts should be directed to news.groups.


From hinz@gshp9000.gradsch.ohio-state.edu Mon Aug 14 13:23:18 EDT 1995
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From: hinz@gshp9000.gradsch.ohio-state.edu (Phillip Hinz)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Need info on Turbit dispute
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Were you or someone you know involved in the Turbit Dispute?

Hello Fishfolk and Sci.bio.fisheries members,

I'm in need of information regarding the March and April 1995
Turbit/Greenland Halibut dispute and negotiations between Canada and the
European Union.  I'm hoping someone here will be good enough to help me out
a bit.
My name is Phillip Hinz and I'm a U.S. doctoral candidate at Ohio State
University.  I'm not a biologist, my field is international relations with a
focus on negotiation and political psychology.  The Turbit Dispute is part
of my doctoral dissertation research.  My interest in this case revolves
around the negotiation process and negotiator's frame of mind before, during
and after the negotiations.
Last month I interviewed two of the European Union negotiators.  Now I need
to interview the Canadian side before the NAFO Conference in September.  So,
I have to set up and do the interviews soon!  While I did serve as a
Parliamentary Intern in Ottawa, that was in 1984.  So that is why I am
hoping the "magic" of the internet will aid me.  Were you or someone you
know involved in the Turbit Dispute?  Do you know who I should contact to
arrange a few interviews?  Even 15 minutes of their time will GREATLY help
my understanding of the negotiation.
This is for academic purposes and I can assure the negotiators full
confidentiality.

Please e-mail me at        Hinz.1@osu.edu
Or call during the day at (614) 292-6031

Thank you very much,
Phillip A. Hinz

Graduate School
250 University Hall
230 North Oval Mall
Columbus, OH 43210-1366
U.S.A.
~



From quantum@comtch.iea.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:20 EDT 1995
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From: quantum@comtch.iea.com (jim de smet)
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Subject: Impact of Boat Traffic
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I am trying to find information addressing the impact of boat traffic on
resuspension of shoreline sediment.  It is my feeling that the
resuspension of sediment adversely impacts benthic organisms, which in
turn impacts trout. This information is needed to help justify
non-motorized designations on a river in Montana.   Please help me if you
can.


From peterg@huge.net.hk Mon Aug 14 13:23:21 EDT 1995
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mgrykel@ix.netcom.com (MARTIN L. GARY ) wrote:

>I am a fisheries biologist in Maryland responsible for monitoring and
>quantifying the commercial harvest of striped bass from Maryland's
>portion of the Chesapeake Bay and Maryland's coastal waters.  Does
>anyone have any information regarding any software or programs which
>would simplify the task of checking daily reports from over 1200
>fishermen!  We utilize check stations, and although our system is
>fairly elaborate, it is a bit cumbersome and could usr some
>streamlining.  By the way, this is my first posting.  It is a shame
>that thier is not a higher volume of postings here.  I will try to
>spread the word.

>                          
I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'checking daily reports' but if
you're looking for a good data collection and analysis software, I
understand that ICLARM in the Philippines have developed a package
that can do this (or something similar). It's PC based and apparently
very user-friendly. We are looking at using this for doing stock
assessment here in Hong Kong. 

Sorry I don't have the ICLARM address or email contact to hand. I will
try to send it to you later.

Regards.


Pete George
<peterg@huge.net.hk>



From marifh@rosa.nbr.no Mon Aug 14 13:23:22 EDT 1995
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From: marifh@rosa.nbr.no (Mari Ann Flott Hogas (KVS))
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Tim Westbury (zootw@zoo.latrobe.edu.au) wrote:

: Any ideas or references reguarding the impact that the periodicity of 
: checking traps has on trapping success for small freshwater 
: fish (30-40mm)?. Also has anyone had any success trapping in open
:  water, I have had success in vegetated areas but none in open water
:  and wonder whether this can be atributed to the nature of the fish
:  or my trapping regime.

: Thanks.


I had good success trapping sticlebacks in a large lake. I used a trap build
of plexi-glass. Description found in IBP handbook no 3 (Ed. T. Bagenal),
Placement both in and outside vegetation areas gave a good catch, but bether in
 vegetation areas. The catch was also better if I could leave a fish in the 
trap.

Sizes of fish was between 7mm and 75mm. Total catch (14 days / 30 traps) was 
more than 1600.

Torbjorn Pedersen



From pgrove@vanbc.wimsey.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:24 EDT 1995
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>   Tim Westbury <zootw@zoo.latrobe.edu.au> writes:
>  
>  Any ideas or references reguarding the impact that the periodicity of 
>  checking traps has on trapping success for small freshwater 
>  fish (30-40mm)?. Also has anyone had any success trapping in open
>   water, I have had success in vegetated areas but none in open water
>   and wonder whether this can be atributed to the nature of the fish
>   or my trapping regime.
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  
>  
Tim
	i've just managed to net my first stickleback. I'm attempting to show they can be adapted 
to aquarium life. Water temps are the critical factor. However, going only by my limited observation, 
I'd say your open water traps aren't successful because the really small fish avoid open water like 
the plague. I've noticed the larger (comparatively) sticklebacks will venture a foot or so beyond the 
margin weeds, but the really small ones stay right under cover. Meanwhile, I'l like to hear more 
about your traps. Could you e-mail me with details? Thanks
	Paul Musgrove 
>>>>




From jcalvert@inetnebr.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:49 EDT 1995
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From: Jay Calvert <jcalvert@inetnebr.com>
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Subject: Re: steelhead trout
Date: 26 Aug 1995 17:36:58 GMT
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balsterb@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us wrote:
>
>me again:)
>  so, let me see if i have this down
>steelheads are rainbows, which are are in the pacific salmon(sic?)
>family. which makes some sense, since they are from the west coast.

Yes

> Brooks and browns are closely related, and in the atlantic salmon
>family( which are really chars)

No.  Different genera.  Brook trout is actually a char (genus 
Salvelinus).  Atlantic salmon and brown trout are both genus Salmo, 
sometimes called "true" trouts.  You can get a natural or artificial 
hybrid between brook and brown, called a tiger trout.  It is sterile, I 
believe. Confusing eh?

>my next question is,
>  could a steelhead and a rainbow start a family(you know what i mean;>
> if they could,would the offspring be sterile?

Absolutely. There are well documented cases of steelhead and 
stream-resident rainbows spawning on the same redd (nest). The offspring 
should be fully fertile, since we're talking about members of not only 
the same genus, but the same species.

> (maybe this would solve the problem of genetic polution from
>stocked fish)

Maybe hatchery strains of rainbow breeding with native steelhead caused 
part of the problem.

>  if they could breed, i assume the young would be rainbows,right?

Yes, in the general sense. But would they migrate to sea and become 
steelhead?  I don't know, but I'd guess it varies on a case by case 
basis.
>
> now what about brooks and browns? are they too dis-simular to mate?

See tiger trout above.  Viable but sterile.
>
>  thanks in advance for putting up with my non scientific posts, i really 
>enjoy reading this group and have been wondering about this for awhile
>
>   brian b
>p.s. aren't you glad i didn't ask about lake trout too?
>
You just did.  Lake trout X Brook trout (aka "Speckled" trout in Canada) =3D "Splake" (Speckled/Lake).  Splake is partly fertile, si=
nce both parents are char of the genus Salvelinus.

Isn't Salmonid taxonomy fun?

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Jay Calvert/ jcalvert@inetnebr.com/ Lincoln, Nebraska
Biologist/Angler/Cybergeek
"Old fishermen never die, they just smell that way."
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From torell@delphi.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:50 EDT 1995
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From: torell@delphi.com
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Subject: pond? trout
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 23:36:34 -0500
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I saw some yummy looking fish in the supermarket.  The placard said
Pond Trout.  What were they?  What did they eat?


From ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 01:11:51 EDT 1995
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From: ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don McAllister)
Subject: Re: Ornamental fish import and export data
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brett rowley (brett3@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> If anybody out there knows where I can find some recent data on the
> import and export of ornamental fish in the U.S., please e-mail to me.
> I am gathering this information to include in a report to potential
> investors in an ornamental fish production project. I am especially
> interested in coldwater species such as koi and goldfish, but also
> curious about tropicals. TIA,
> Brett Rowley

Hi Brett,
The Traffic Branch of World Wildlife Fund, main office at: 1250 24th St.,NW, 
Washington, DC 20037-1175, Tel 202-293-4800, fax 202-293-9211,
should be able to direct you to the right number.  They keep data
on import and export of wildlife including freshwater and marine
fishes. but may not be able to break it down to the species level.

Try usenet groups:
sci.aquaria
rec.aquaria

Ocean Voice International, a marine environmental organization I
work with, has been working with sustainable harvest issues on
marine ornamentals in the Philippines for several years.

Don
--
Don E. McAllister #############  & Ocean Voice International, Box 37026
Canadian Museum of Nature ####  3332 McCarthy Road, Ottawa, ON K1V 0W0
P.O.B.3443,ûStn D,Ottawa,ON K1P 6P4 ##  Tel. (613) 264-8986, Fax: (613) 264-920
E-mail: ah194@freenet.carleton.ca # WWW: http://www.conveyor.com/oceanvoice.htm


From ckiii@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:52 EDT 1995
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From: ckiii@aol.com (CKIII)
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Subject: Tuna and Marlin
Date: 28 Aug 1995 08:47:44 -0400
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I was recently told that Tuna and Marlin species will die within a few
days once the fish has been caught by hook and line even though it is
released quickly and appears in "good shape".  The reason given was a
build up of an enzyme during the landing fight that will soon prove fatal
to the fish.  Any comments on the scientific accuracy of this comment, or
was this a farsical answer to the catch-and-release practices of many of
the blue water sport fishers?

Charles Kennemore
ckiii@aol.com


From wdavies@bnr.ca Fri Sep  1 01:11:53 EDT 1995
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From: wdavies@bnr.ca (Bill Davies)
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Subject: Commercial Shrimp Rearing
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Can anyone working at a shrimp rearing facility provide
some diet recommendations used in the various stages of
life?  In particular I am interested in what techniques
/diet are be used between each metamorphosis or larval
stage.  I am also interested in how diet varies between
each species, if at all.



From rhayman@sos.net Fri Sep  1 01:11:54 EDT 1995
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It may not "seem" up to date by the publ. date, but the classic:
Ricker, W.E. 1975. Computation and interpretation o fBiological Statistics of Fish Populations.
is my recommendation!

Good Luck & enjoyable reading.



From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Fri Sep  1 01:11:55 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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Subject: Re: Tuna and Marlin
Date: 28 Aug 1995 16:38:14 GMT
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My understanding is that if you fight anything to complete exhaustion
and then throw it back, its chances of survival are pretty slim.  That's
why they say do not fight trout for very long if you are going to 
release them.  FWIW, The enzyme is probably CK (creatine kinase)
and in mammals is an indicator of muscle tissue break down.
The muscle break down products wreak havoc with the kidneys and
can lead to death (this is basically what happens with
"downer cow syndrome").

ckiii@aol.com (CKIII) wrote:
>
> I was recently told that Tuna and Marlin species will die within a few
> days once the fish has been caught by hook and line even though it is
> released quickly and appears in "good shape".  The reason given was a
> build up of an enzyme during the landing fight that will soon prove fatal
> to the fish.  Any comments on the scientific accuracy of this comment, or
> was this a farsical answer to the catch-and-release practices of many of
> the blue water sport fishers?
> 
> Charles Kennemore
> ckiii@aol.com



From longears@haven.uniserve.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:56 EDT 1995
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From: longears@haven.uniserve.com (Pat Mulholland)
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I'm looking for the names of any hatcheries that are located near a railroad.
Specifically within about 100m. 

Thanks 
Pat Mulholland
AQUATIC SYSTEMS RESEARCH
Aquaculture,Fisheries,& Environment Specialists
phone:(604) 987-0241
email: longears@uniserv.com


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From: longears@haven.uniserve.com (Pat Mulholland)
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I'm looking for any good references on the culture of Sockeye Salmon.
In particular, any articles or references to New Zealand Sockeye which are
I understand IHNV free.

Pat Mulholland
AQUATIC SYSTEMS RESEARCH
Aquaculture,Fisheries,& Environment Specialists
phone:(604) 987-0241
email: longears@uniserv.com


From stevek@iphc.washington.edu Fri Sep  1 01:11:58 EDT 1995
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From: stevek@iphc.washington.edu (Steve Kaimmer)
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Subject: Re: Tuna and Marlin
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We have done work with Pacific Halibut caught in trawl nets in the 
North Pacific.  Background, from camera work we know that Halibut may 
swim ahead of the trawl for 30 minutes or more before 'falling back' into 
the net - probably from 'exhaustion'.  Once released onto the trawl 
deck, these fish appear 'dead', little muscle tone, no opercular 
pressure.  Some (not all) of these fish, when then put into a holding 
tank on deck, will appear quite robust in anywhere from many hours to a 
day.  

In article <41sdtg$s9d@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ckiii@aol.com says...
>
>I was recently told that Tuna and Marlin species will die within a few
>days once the fish has been caught by hook and line even though it is
>released quickly and appears in "good shape".  The reason given was a
>build up of an enzyme during the landing fight that will soon prove 
fatal
>to the fish.  Any comments on the scientific accuracy of this comment, 
or
>was this a farsical answer to the catch-and-release practices of many of
>the blue water sport fishers?
>
>Charles Kennemore
>ckiii@aol.com



From flip214@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:59 EDT 1995
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From: flip214@aol.com (Flip214)
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My wife is a fishery biologist specializing in the tagging and recapturing
of billfish.  She is currently working on a report about billfish that
were tagged and released in very poor condition or where the fish was
thought to be dead.  You must understand that the recapture rate for any
billfish is very low to begin with (less than 2%) but I was suprised to
find that there were many cases of fish that were recaptured after they
were thought to be dead.  Some of which had been hooked in the eye or had
even had their stomach outside their body.  As a fisherman I have seen
many billfish come to the boat apearing to be dead only to be revived
after being swum next to the boat for a period of time.  I think that the
billfish tournament rules say it best in that a fish has a better chance
of survival in the water than on the deck of a boat.
Good Luck.
Greg


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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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Point well taken about the survivability of fish in water vs. land.
It sounds like your wife is doing what needs to be done... figuring
out what is going on with the fish.  Any knowledge which will help
the survival of these fabulous animals is priceless.  Using what "we"
know about other living critters with respect to muscle trauma can be
helpful as well.  My large animal medicine professor used to say 
"mammals are mammals, use what you know".  I know fish are not mammals,
but cells are cells and general physiology principles may apply.


flip214@aol.com (Flip214) wrote:
>
> My wife is a fishery biologist specializing in the tagging and recapturing
> of billfish.  She is currently working on a report about billfish that
> were tagged and released in very poor condition or where the fish was
> thought to be dead.  You must understand that the recapture rate for any
> billfish is very low to begin with (less than 2%) but I was suprised to
> find that there were many cases of fish that were recaptured after they
> were thought to be dead.  Some of which had been hooked in the eye or had
> even had their stomach outside their body.  As a fisherman I have seen
> many billfish come to the boat apearing to be dead only to be revived
> after being swum next to the boat for a period of time.  I think that the
> billfish tournament rules say it best in that a fish has a better chance
> of survival in the water than on the deck of a boat.
> Good Luck.
> Greg



From mikep@aurora.tib.nmfs.gov Fri Sep  1 01:12:01 EDT 1995
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From: mikep@aurora.tib.nmfs.gov  (Mike Prager)
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>ckiii@aol.com (CKIII) wrote:

> I was recently told that Tuna and Marlin species will die within a few
> days once the fish has been caught by hook and line even though it is
> released quickly and appears in "good shape".  The reason given ...

To put a fishery management perspective on this: I have looked at a
few population dynamic models of fish stocks, and when they
include nonzero hook-and-release mortality, they present very different 
relative pictures of management strategies than when they don't. 
In general, the existence of hook-and-release mortalities makes size 
limits and bag limits less appealing, and closed seasons and areas 
more appealing (as far as limiting total mortality), as one might expect. 
Something for fishermen (both recreational and commercial) to think about....

Mike Prager                   mikep@aurora.tib.nmfs.gov
.................Speaking for myself, not for Uncle Sam.


From williss@qlink.queensu.ca Fri Sep  1 01:12:02 EDT 1995
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From: williss@qlink.queensu.ca (Willis Stephen)
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Subject: Re: Splake question :
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 Splake are Brook / Lake trout highbreads. They look more like a Brook 
trout, grow faster than a Brook trout, Don't get nearly as big as a lake 
trout, can survive in harsher conditions and muddier water than a brook 
trout . Live deeper (in colder water) than a brook trout. And are thus 
stocked in waters where brookies don't do well. I believe that they can 
have offspring, which is unusual for a high-bread anything. Can anybody 
confirm this. Any info on Splake would be greatly appreciated. How big do 
they get , how old do they live etc, . I believe they spawn in the fall, 
perhaps they can interbread with brookies rather than with other splake ???
One interesting thing is that they school more than eithor lake trout or 
brook trout. 

 Thanks.... Stephen



From eweber@nmsu.edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:04 EDT 1995
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From: eweber@nmsu.edu (Edward D. Weber)
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Does anyone know where I could purchase a copy of Ricker 1975?  I called 
AFS publications but all they could suggest was the library.  
Thanks,
Ed Weber
eweber@nmsu.edu

Bob McClure (rhayman@sos.net) wrote:
: It may not "seem" up to date by the publ. date, but the classic:
: Ricker, W.E. 1975. Computation and interpretation o fBiological Statistics of Fish Populations.
: is my recommendation!

: Good Luck & enjoyable reading.




From mjwalters@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:12:05 EDT 1995
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From: mjwalters@aol.com (MJWALTERS)
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Subject: Blue Pike Extinction
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Can anyone out there suggest anyone in the Great Lakes region who might
have fished commercially for Blue Pike before their extinction in the
ealry 1970s.  I am interested in composing an oral history of this fish. 
For that matter, can anyone offer primary sources for any information
concerning this species.  Thanks,  Mark Walters


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From: rondad@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ronda Dillon)
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test


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From: rondad@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ronda Dillon)
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Question? Can specific carotenoids of rainbow trout and other salmoinds 
be synthesized metabolically in the fish from other types of 
carotenoids?  That is, can canthaxanthin be produced in fish flesh by the 
conversion of dietary fed precursors other than canthaxanthin?


From wmorris@utkvx.utk.edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:09 EDT 1995
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From: wmorris@utkvx.utk.edu (Wendy Morris)
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8/30/95:

There will be a story airing on PrimeTime Live (ABC) on Wednesday, August
30, that will focus on the controversy surrounding the pollution of the
Pigeon River, which flows from North Carolina into Tennessee. The
pollution is produced by Champion International Paper Company's Canton,
North Carolina, plant. 

The University of Tennessee Press has just published a new book in its
environmentally focused Outdoor Tennessee series entitled "Troubled Waters:
Champion International and the Pigeon River Controversy" by Richard A.
Bartlett. This book is the first to chronicle the history of this
controversy and the struggles that residents living along the Pigeon River
have had to face in order to fight for its cleanup.

For more information, please see the University of Tennessee Press home
page, located at http://www.lib.utk.edu:70/1/UTKgophers/UT-PRESS (the
information should be complete by next week). If you would like more
information immediately, contact Wendy Morris at the following address:

   The University of Tennessee Press
   293 Communications Bldg.
   Knoxville, TN  37996-0325
   (615) 974-3321
   (615) 974-3724 (fax)
   wmorris@utkvx.tuk.edu (e-mail)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Publication Date: September 1995

NEW BOOK ILLUMINATES THE CONTROVERSY OVER  
THE PIGEON RIVER AND THE COMPANY THAT POLLUTED IT
   
"I went to see that river two-and-a-half months ago, and it was black as
tar,...and yet we're told it's OK. Who says? Champion? The EPA? I
don't need a scientist to tell me a black river doesn't make common
sense."
aPark Overall, actor and environmental activist,as quoted in the Knoxville
News-Sentinel, January 6, 1995
    
   Would you allow your child to swim in a foamy, foul-smelling river
possibly tainted with toxic chemicals? Would you fish from such a stream
or navigate its waters in a canoe? These are the questions that the people
who live near the Pigeon River want Champion International to ask itself.
For over eight decades the residents along this Appalachian river, which
flows from North Carolina into Tennessee, have had to deal with the
environmental problems caused by Champion's giant pulp and paper mill at
Canton, North Carolina.
   To shed light on this ongoing controversy, the University of Tennessee
Press has published Troubled Waters: Champion International and the Pigeon
River Controversy by Richard A. Bartlettathe newest addition to its
environmentally focused Outdoor Tennessee series. This book traces efforts
of Tennesseans and environmentalists to force the cleanup of the Pigeon
River and concentrates on the years since 1985, when two organizationsathe
Dead Pigeon River Council and the Pigeon River Action Groupamounted a
sustained drive to restore the river to its naturally beautiful state.
   Bartlett begins the story with a history of the region and of the
arrival of the pulp mills in the early part of this century. Even in 1908,
when Champion's pulp and paper mill first became operational, there was
controversy between the landowners along the Pigeon River and the business
and economic interests in these areas. Bartlett writes, "Environmentalism
as such was not yet known, but the landowners knew of the stench and the
dirtying of streams that mills produced, and so the story goes, they
wanted none of it."
   In the chapters that follow, Bartlett examines how the pollution became
an issue of concern and how, in later decades, the people of this area
began to lobby the federal Environmental Protection Agency and state
legislators to upgrade air- and water-pollution standards. One of the most
influential of this new wave of protestors was Charles Dickens Mullinix,
who would not accept the plodding, bureaucratic pace of the EPA and thus
created the Pigeon River Action Group, an organization that he hoped would
force Champion to launch a massive cleanup of its Canton plant.
   With pressure from continuing litigation brought about by individuals
and by such groups as the Dead Pigeon River Council, Champion began a
multimillion-dollar upgrading campaign in 1985. The Pigeon River is
somewhat cleaner, yet, in the end, there is little evidence that Champion
carried out its modernization for anything but economic reasons.   
   Bartlett treats the positions of Champion's defenders with respect, but
he faces the reality of the pollution unflinchingly and is devoted to
relating the complete, complex story of the fight to force the river's
cleanup. In the words of series editor Jim Casada, "The author focuses our
attention on the dilemma of the Pigeon River in gripping fashion. The
chronicle is one that goes to the heart of what can happen when people
allow shortsighted avarice to outweigh soul-sustaining devotion to
protection and preservation of the natural world. No one who cherishes the
purity of the earth we call home should ignore this work and its implicit
message. It reminds us, in quiet but penetrating fashion, that the time
for a season of environmental reason is at hand."
   Richard A. Bartlett is professor of history, emeritus, at Florida State
University. He is the author or editor of several books, including The New
Country: A Social History of the American Frontier, 1776#1890, Rolling
Rivers: An Encyclopedia of America's Rivers, Yellowstone: A Wilderness
Besieged, and Great Surveys of the American West.
   This book is available in cloth for $35.00 and in paper for $17.95. 
Orders should be placed with our distributor: The University of Tennessee
Press, Chicago Distribution Center, 11030 S.Langley, Chicago, IL  60628,
1-800-621-2736.


From CXQP37E@prodigy.com Fri Sep  1 01:12:10 EDT 1995
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From twain Fri Sep  1 01:12:11 EDT 1995
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From: Tom Wainwright <twain>
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eweber@nmsu.edu (Edward D. Weber) wrote:
>Does anyone know where I could purchase a copy of Ricker 1975?  I called 
>AFS publications but all they could suggest was the library.  
>Thanks,
>Ed Weber
I believe it is still available from the Canadian Government,
	Canadian Government Publishing Centre
	Supply and Services Canada
	Ottawa, Canada, K1A 0S9
The full citation is:
	Ricker, W.E. 1975.  Computation and interpretation of biological
	statistics of fish populations.  Bull. Fish. Res. Board Can.
	191: 382 p.  ISBN 0-662-01440-5.
Your local bookstore should be able to order it.
-- 
Tom Wainwright, twain@salmon.nwfsc.noaa.gov
NOAA/NMFS Northwest Fisheries Science Center
Seattle, Washington, USA
**Any views expressed are my own, and usually
  do not reflect those of Uncle Sam**



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To the best of my knowledge, there is no credible evidence of any 
significant natural reproduction or hybridisation of splake in the wild.  
This would appear to be a behavioural thing, since the gametes produce 
viable offspring in the hatchery.  Some researchers have reported 
catching a few newly-emerged sac fry on a couple of occasions, but I'm 
not sure how reliable these reports are and, according to my 
understanding, the numbers involved are *exceedingly* small.  It's true 
that splake do well in marginal brook trout waters.  In inland lakes 
planted with F1 splake, the returns to the creel are much higher than 
those from any other planted salmonid that I've had experience with.  I 
understand that the same is not true of the Great Lakes, however.

One of the problems in discussing splake, though, is that Ontario has
stocked at least three different fish over the years, all of which have
been called splake.  The "true" splake would probably be the F1 hybrid. 
We still stock quite a few of these, mainly in smaller inland lakes which
supported brook trout but have become heavily perch-infested.  Some
higher-generational splake have been planted (up to F7, I think), but
these were mostly experimental plantings.  In the Great Lakes, quite a
number of "lake trout backcross splake" have been planted.  These are the
progeny of male F1 splake with female lake trout. 

I have personally seen F1 splake over 5 kg, but the average caught by 
anglers would probably be around 500 gm.  The fish attempt to spawn in 
the fall.  The timing of the spawning act varies across the brook 
trout-lake trout range (in my area from mid-October to early December).  
Their spawning behaviour is roughly intermediate, as well.  They seem to 
construct very diffuse and messy redds, and sometimes don't cover the 
eggs meticulously as a brook trout might do.  In some instances, they 
seem to use the same upwelling areas as brook trout, but in others, 
upwelling doesn't appear to be a factor.

I know that splake can get to be 5 to 7 years old, but I wouldn't want to 
guess at their life expectancy or life span.  I'm not a splake expert, 
but I have handled thousands over the years.  I can refer anyone 
interested to some people who know much more about them than I do.  EMail 
me a request and I'll see what I can do.

--
Dave Fluri
North Bay, Ontario, Canada


Willis Stephen (williss@qlink.queensu.ca) wrote:
:  Splake are Brook / Lake trout highbreads. They look more like a Brook 
: trout, grow faster than a Brook trout, Don't get nearly as big as a lake 
: trout, can survive in harsher conditions and muddier water than a brook 
: trout . Live deeper (in colder water) than a brook trout. And are thus 
: stocked in waters where brookies don't do well. I believe that they can 
: have offspring, which is unusual for a high-bread anything. Can anybody 
: confirm this. Any info on Splake would be greatly appreciated. How big do 
: they get , how old do they live etc, . I believe they spawn in the fall, 
: perhaps they can interbread with brookies rather than with other splake ???
: One interesting thing is that they school more than eithor lake trout or 
: brook trout. 

:  Thanks.... Stephen


From surban@saims.skidmore.edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:15 EDT 1995
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From: surban@saims.skidmore.edu (sharon urban)
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My son is in his third year of college majoring in aquaculture.  He will receive a Bachelor of Technology degree.  He first earned his associates in fisheries and wildlife technology, and these last two years will be more specialized in aquaculture.  It's been a wonderful program, with lots of hands on lab work, but rounded out with liberal arts.  What I would like to know for my own personal interest, is whether this field is prosperous.  I have been reading this group for a couple of weeks (although it's
 not posted to very often) and am noting several different areas of expertise.  My son is also leaning towards a masters in biology.  His father and I are thrilled at the prospect -- there are many areas of fish and environmental biologies -- could anyone suggest the best area to pursue.  This is just for my info -- thanks much.


From wizard@communique.net Fri Sep  1 01:12:16 EDT 1995
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From: wizard@communique.net (Wesley Dick)
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I am interested in getting information regarding the technique used
to add hi-viz coloration to the fins of some tropical fish as is being
done by some hatcheries in the Orient.   Is it by injection or
brushing?   Help.




From rwilson652@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:12:17 EDT 1995
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From: rwilson652@aol.com (RWilson652)
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Subject: Re: Hybrid Striped bass in Connecticut.. why
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Thanks for the info on hybrid stripers, BUT,

I believe that it is difficult and rare for these hybrids to reproduce.
Freshwater stripers rarely, if ever, reproduce in the waters they have
been stocked in and the populations rely heavily on stocking.

Most lakes in CT have a forage base of alewives, a member of the shad
family, and white perch, which reproduce so prolifically that they are
typically a nuisance fish in most waters.

Since these two species are pelagic fish, wouldn't they provide ideal
forage for the hybrids? I really think hybrids would offer a differsity
not found in any other species. They have been stocked successfully in
virtually every other state: including neighboring NY, so I think it is a
financial issue more than anything else.

Can I get some more info on any of this?

Thanks, Rob


From parkes@cirl.uoregon.edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:20 EDT 1995
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From: parkes@cs.uoregon.edu (Andrew John Parkes)
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Subject: sperm whales and longline fishing
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[Posted on behalf of a friend]

I am interested in any association of sperm whales with longline fisheries
world-wide. In particular, I am interested if they are consuming the catch or 
if they are going after the bycatch.  Any behavioral observations would be 
greatly appreciated. 

I am new to usenet and would also appreciate hearing about any
other fisheries newsgroups or any related WWW sites, etc.


Liz                                     parkes@cirl.uoregon.edu




From group7@neptune.infolink.co.za Fri Sep  1 01:12:21 EDT 1995
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From: group7@neptune.infolink.co.za (Anton Lasich)
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Hi

I have a friend who would like to import Tropical FIsh to South Africa. Any 
source will be considered...but especially South American.

If you have any sources/information, please mail me at

group7@neptune.infolink.co.za

(Steve Norman)

Thanks


From markb@intr.net Fri Sep  1 01:12:23 EDT 1995
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From: markb@intr.net (Mark Bjorge)
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From mklein@Hawaii.Edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:25 EDT 1995
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From: mklein@Hawaii.Edu (Michelle Klein)
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Does anyone have information on Clarias diseases?


From RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV Fri Sep  8 17:52:23 EDT 1995
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From: RICHARD WHITMAN <RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV>
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To: WALLEYE,SPAWNERS

Im doing a project on sediment texture and effects on walleye spawning 
success. Does anyone know at what depth walleye spawn in northern small 
lakes in the Great Lakes region.



From RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV Fri Sep  8 17:52:24 EDT 1995
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From: RICHARD WHITMAN <RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV>
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Im doing a project on sediment texture and effects on walleye spawning 
success. Does anyone know at what depth walleye spawn in northern small 
lakes in the Great Lakes region.



From flurid@gov.on.ca Fri Sep  8 17:52:26 EDT 1995
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From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)
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RICHARD WHITMAN (RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV) wrote:
: Im doing a project on sediment texture and effects on walleye spawning 
: success. Does anyone know at what depth walleye spawn in northern small 
: lakes in the Great Lakes region.


In my area, walleye normally spawn at depths of 0 to 2 m.  I understand 
that this might be as deep as 3 m in large rivers with good current, but 
I've no personal experience with that.

--
				|
Dave Fluri			|	"No me agaro ya de nada, para
North Bay, Ontario, Canada	|	 asi no tener nada que defender."
				|		-Carlos Castaneda
				|


From aitutaki@perth.DIALix.oz.au Fri Sep  8 17:52:27 EDT 1995
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From: Ben Grummels <aitutaki@perth.DIALix.oz.au>
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Subject: BLUE FIN TUNA
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I had a call from Darwin in the Northern Territory today, from an ex-student 
(20 years ago) who is doing marine studies.  
He is seeking fax info from me about blue fin tuna.  Since I live and work as
Tech and Further Education co-ordinator in a remote Aboriginal community 
200 km from the nearest library, I'm hoping that I could get help from some 
kind person on the net who could email me info - anything - eg a page from a 
high school text or whatever, about blue fin tuna.

PLEASE help

Ben  (alone without info at La Grange Bay on the northern end of the 80 
mile beach, North West Australia)

PS I'll check for posting tomorrow night.  Might meet you on the net.


From rusmin@rad.net.id Fri Sep  8 17:52:29 EDT 1995
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From: rusmin@rad.net.id (Rusmin Noer)
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Can anybody told me where I can find Shrimp NNTP/WWW, please?
Does  Shrimp Newsgroup  exist?
If not, can anybody please make it?
Thanks.

rusmin@rad.net.id





From mjenson@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Fri Sep  8 17:52:30 EDT 1995
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From: mjenson@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Jenson)
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Hello all,

I am giving a speech to a group of incoming biology graduate students soon and 
was hoping to use a few jokes involving biology/biologists.  Does anyone have 
any good ones?

Thanks,
Mike


From Mike@dar-mail.ccmail.compuserve.com Fri Sep  8 17:52:32 EDT 1995
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From: Mike@dar-mail.ccmail.compuserve.com (Mike Yamamoto)
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   Although we're surrounded by water, Hawaii's fisheries budget is among
the smallest of all 50 states (and the District of Columbia for that
matter). I need to prepare some testimony to that effect, and would like
to obtain fisheries budgets from as many states as possible to bolster my
case. Any information (phone numbers, contacts persons, etc.) would be
greatly appreciated.


From markhaas@cpcug.org Fri Sep  8 17:52:33 EDT 1995
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From: markhaas@cpcug.org (Mark R. Haas)
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Hello potential coinvestigators:

The National Biological Service has released a Request for Proposals
(14-45-ORFP-95-0008)  to conduct a literature synthesis and develop 
a spatial and temporal predictive model of the impacts of offshore 
oil and gas structures (placement, removal and abandonment) on biological 
productivity in the Gulf of Mexico.  

The project would take 30 months and require understanding the cumulative 
effects of what amounts to one of the few hard bottom environments in the Gulf 
as well as the changing operations and technology of the offshore petroleum 
industry.  The resulting model will have to be integrated into Minreals 
Management Service GIS and data systems.

I'd like to assemble the appropriate expertise to bid on this project.  At a 
minimum, the team requires familiarity with some or all of the following:

  invertebrate and fish ecology
  MMS Environmental Studies Program
  fisheries stock data/analysis
  habitat evaluation techniques
  petroleum industry activities to place, operate, and remove/abandon 
	structures	
  development of GIS or other georeferenced databases
  ecology/habitat predictive models
  working relatinships with marine/oceanograpphic research institutions
	(e.g., coastal state university or research consortia)
  ecological literature search/syntheses
  scientific research project management

The team would optimally have a significant presence in Louisiana or 
thereabouts, since most data gathering and literature work during phase 1 
(the first 12 months) will occur there.  The location of the Phase 2 (model 
development - the next 18 months) team is less strict.

Research and Organization Management, Inc., is a small technical and 
management consulting firm that improves management decisionmaking through 
integration of ecological, engineering, economic and management disciplines.

My interest in this project is the opportunity to integrate my expertise in 
ecology, engineering and economics with the support of experts in various  
critical disciplines suggested above.

My degrees are in ecology and energy and environmental policy, 
supplemented with experience ranging from conducting aquatic ecology field 
research to developing state programs to evaluate coastal resources to 
developing large scale systems models of offshore oil and gas development.  

If you are interested in forming a team to bid on this research, please 
contact me at markhaas@cpcug.org or call (301) 320-5889.  The clock is 
running, since the proposal preparation requirements are substantial and the 
proposal due date is October 2, 1995, with an anticipated award date of 
November 30.

Mark R. Haas, President
Research and Organization Management, Inc.
5907 Welborn Drive
Bethesda, MD 20816-3423
phone/fax (301) 320-5889


From jblane@gsro.carleton.ca Fri Sep  8 17:52:34 EDT 1995
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From: jblane@gsro.carleton.ca (Jean Blane)
Subject: Freshwater jellyfish?
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On the weekend I was canoeing on a series of inland lakes
(freshwater).  In one shallow section (about 5-10 feet deep) I noticed
many small jellyfish.  The jellyfish ranged from the size of my thumb
nail to about the size of a quarter, were dome-shaped, transparent
with light brown colouring.  There were four, paddle shaped structures
that jointed in the center of the jellyfish, appearing rather like a cross.
Tentacles may have been present, but were not readily visible.  The
jellyfish were free-swimming.

Do you know what species this is?  I have never seen nor heard of
freshwater jellyfish before.  How common are they?



From flurid@gov.on.ca Fri Sep  8 17:52:35 EDT 1995
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From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)
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Date: 6 Sep 1995 13:21:01 GMT
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Mike Yamamoto (Mike@dar-mail.ccmail.compuserve.com) wrote:

: ... I ... would like
: to obtain fisheries budgets from as many states as possible ...


Mike, I recall reading an article in the AFS publication _Fisheries_ a 
couple or three years ago detailing exactly the information you seek.  I 
don't maintain an archive of them, so I can't be more precise than that, 
but you may be able to contact the periodical directly.

Dave Fluri
North Bay, Ontario, Canada


From kim.jauncey@stir.ac.uk Fri Sep  8 17:52:36 EDT 1995
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From: "Dr. Kim Jauncey" <kim.jauncey@stir.ac.uk>
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Basically, the answer is no. Teleosts don't do much interconversion of 
ingested carotenoids, they are deposited as fed. Crustacea could do it 
though. There are quite a lot of references on this if you need some.



From billw34597@aol.com Fri Sep  8 17:52:37 EDT 1995
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A good place to start is the National Wildlife Federation in Washington
D.C.  they have an 800 number. Also get in touch with the National Marine
Fisheries in D.C.. Use the crawler on W.W.W.. Contact your sea grant
office.


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Fri Sep  8 17:52:39 EDT 1995
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From: c.arfman@tarnaki.ac.nz
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Subject: Re: Tuna and Marlin
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 12:07:01 NZS
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<snip>
>>  I think that the
>> billfish tournament rules say it best in that a fish has a better 
>>chance
>> of survival in the water than on the deck of a boat.
>> Good Luck.
>> Greg
>
It's a question of values: To a catch-and-release advocate, the chance 
that the marlin will probably survive and can be possibly be caught again 
is a good thing. From the point of view of the non-fishing public, the 
change that the marlin might die as a result of stress or hooking 
injuries is a bad thing. 

With millions of people starving to death world-wide, does wasting large 
amounts of increasingly scarce seafood justify the knowledge gained? Or 
is tag-and-release being used by vested interests (the recreational 
fishing industry) in much the same way that the Japanese continue to kill 
whales for "science"?

One thing for sure - the best way to ensure a fish's survival is simply 
to leave it alone. I get real uncomfortable when I here people use the 
"any chance of survival is better than none" justification. That kind of 
platitude by catch-and-release advocates encourages a lot of destruction, 
and wastage. But then again when people amuse themselves by "fighting" a 
fish that can't fight back, and whose only defence is to try to flee, 
those kinds of platitudes are to be expected.

Season closures and area closures would appear a more effective 
conservation measure.

- Craig Arfman, New Plymouth, New Zealand



From yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu Fri Sep  8 17:52:40 EDT 1995
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From: yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu (Jason Yuhas)
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Subject: Career Helpers???? (Any guidance please?)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 23:37:07 GMT
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Hiya!
I am a sophomore at Grand Valley State University in MI (near the town
of Grand Rapids (Letterman's New Home City)) and I was wondering if
anyone out here could help me with a little question.  I am majoring
in Aquatic (Fisheries) Biology.  I am currently just holding a job to
pay for college and pay for my car and anything else.  I was wondering
if anyone out there had any suggestions of further steps I could take
that would look good on a resume'.  I want to work in my feild next
summer and would like to do some odd things around the area while I am
still in school (ie volunteering, etc).  If any of you have any
guidance....no matter how big or small, please reply to my post or
email me personally.  Thanx for your time and potential comments


				Respectfully,
						Jason Yuhas




						
*Whirling toward a town near you...*
yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu
http://www.csis.gsvu.edu/~yuhasj
Jason Yuhas 'Whirly'



From gagned@gov.on.ca Fri Sep  8 17:52:43 EDT 1995
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From: gagned@gov.on.ca (Denis Gagne)
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jblane@gsro.carleton.ca (Jean Blane) writes:


>On the weekend I was canoeing on a series of inland lakes
>(freshwater).  In one shallow section (about 5-10 feet deep) I noticed
>many small jellyfish.  The jellyfish ranged from the size of my thumb
>nail to about the size of a quarter, were dome-shaped, transparent
>with light brown colouring.  There were four, paddle shaped structures
>that jointed in the center of the jellyfish, appearing rather like a cross.
>Tentacles may have been present, but were not readily visible.  The
>jellyfish were free-swimming.

>Do you know what species this is?  I have never seen nor heard of
>freshwater jellyfish before.  How common are they?

These are somewhat commonly found throughout NA. If you have or can find 
the text Fresh-Water Invertebrates of the United States, 3rd edition the 
section starting on pg 110 will give you the text info. Page 114 deals 
with the freshwater jellyfish known as hydras (Craspedacasta sowerbyi).
We found some in Belmont Lake in Peterborough county several years ago. 
(NE of Toronto)

You are not alone.

denis
gagned@gov.on.ca


From flip214@aol.com Fri Sep  8 17:52:44 EDT 1995
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From: flip214@aol.com (Flip214)
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What happened? did you have some kind of religious experience out on the
water one day?  Is this the same person that was sharing your striped
marlin tactics and favorite lures with me?
There is no argument against your way of ensuring the fishes survival, Of
course not fishing would solve the problem of any depleted pelagic fish
stock.  (Except there would be no way to document this if everyone stopped
fishing, so how would we really know?)
If this is truly your position than I feel it is admirable, I do not agree
with it at all, but you are certainly entitled to try to convince others
to see things your way.

:One thing for sure - the best way to ensure a fish's survival is simply 
:to leave it alone. I get real uncomfortable when I here people use the 
:"any chance of survival is better than none" justification. That kind of 
:platitude by catch-and-release advocates encourages a lot of destruction,

:and wastage. But then again when people amuse themselves by "fighting" a 
:fish that can't fight back, and whose only defence is to try to flee, 
:those kinds of platitudes are to be expected.

:I  had been thinking about that too. Nice to know that it works. The 
:lure hookup % on striped marlin can get really frustrating, and I've
tried 
:every trick in the book. Was he using the 
:softhead to keep the mackeral from coming apart at that speed and 
:then fishing it like bait after the strike (freespool, stop the boat, 
:wait for the pause, etc.)??  Did he mention if he was  using both halves 
:of the moldcraft over the bait or just the outside one??

This is the same author?  Don't you think it is a little hypocritical to
preach leaving the fish alone and then worry about your hookup %?

The long and short is that fishing does involve killing, (so does eating a
hamburger)
the ocean is a resource that in my opinion can and should be responsibly
harvested.  As far as sportfishing is concerned it is simply that sport. 
All of the data I can find shows that billfish stocks are not over
exploited and the survival rate for properly released fish is higher than
you might expect.  The major pressure to billfish population comes from
comercial longliners who simply throw dead marlin and sailfish (and a huge
number of sharks) back in the ocean.  These fish have a near zero survival
rate when hooked for 24 hours.  I have seen the data about recreational vs
comercial fisherman and the numbers gathered by each, but in respect to
Tuna and Marlin there was no data.  Marlin are not always recorded as a
comercial catch and are almost never harvested by recreational anglers. 
If you are truly concerned about the frightened fish that is only trying
to get away, The first step in preventing this might be for YOU to stop
catching them and then worry about others.
Greg Cousins
Ft. Lauderdale FL




From p-perea@uiuc.edu Fri Sep  8 17:52:46 EDT 1995
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From: p-perea@uiuc.edu (Pacifico J. Perea)
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Subject: Re: Career Helpers???? (Any guidance please?)
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In article <42lbas$d0d@news.it.gvsu.edu>, yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu (Jason
Yuhas) wrote:

> Hiya!
> I am a sophomore at Grand Valley State University in MI (near the town
> of Grand Rapids (Letterman's New Home City)) and I was wondering if
> anyone out here could help me with a little question.  I am majoring
> in Aquatic (Fisheries) Biology.  I am currently just holding a job to
> pay for college and pay for my car and anything else.  I was wondering
> if anyone out there had any suggestions of further steps I could take
> that would look good on a resume'.  I want to work in my feild next
> summer and would like to do some odd things around the area while I am
> still in school (ie volunteering, etc).  If any of you have any
> guidance....no matter how big or small, please reply to my post or
> email me personally.  Thanx for your time and potential comments
> 
> 
>                                 Respectfully,
>                                                 Jason Yuhas
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                 
> *Whirling toward a town near you...*
> yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu
> http://www.csis.gsvu.edu/~yuhasj
> Jason Yuhas 'Whirly'

Jason,

I would suggest finding an internship through Student Conservation
Association or through your State Deparment of Conservation.  Also if you
can find a professor in your field looking for field assistants, hourlies,
or volunteers introduce yourself to them and get to know them.  Make
connections!  This experience will definitely benefit your long term
career goals. In Aquatic Biology (Fisheries) it has been very important in
my personal career to make connections early on in my undergraduate and
graduate years.  This path has ultimately led to reccomendations,
projects, grants, scholarships, and eventually a job right out of graduate
school. E-mail if you have any questions.

p-perea@uiuc.edu
                                    Sincerely,


                                    P.J. Perea
                                    DNR-INHS Fisheries Biologist


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Fri Sep  8 17:52:47 EDT 1995
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From: c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz
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Subject: C&R - Conservation or Environmental Vandalism?
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>Date sent:        Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:08:00 -0400
>From:             flip214@aol.com
>Subject:          Re: Tuna and Marlin

Captain Greg, since we are debating the environmental effects of 
catch-and-release fishing and the ethics involved in two different 
newsgroups rec.outdoors.fishing and sci.bio.fisheries, I have 
cross-posted to several groups which may find this discussion relavent 
(apologies in advance if I have wasted any bandwidth here). 

>What happened? did you have some kind of religious experience out on the
>water one day?  Is this the same person that was sharing your striped
>marlin tactics and favorite lures with me?
>There is no argument against your way of ensuring the fishes survival, 
Of
>course not fishing would solve the problem of any depleted pelagic fish
>stock.  (Except there would be no way to document this if everyone 
stopped
>fishing, so how would we really know?)

Greg I am afraid you have missed the point here. I am making the 
distinction between those who fish to harvest food, vs. catch-and-release 
only fishers whose primary motivation is to amuse themselves by fighting 
an animal whose only defence is to try to flee. Given that the 
catch-and-release hooking mortality for marlin would appear to be 15 
percent and upwards, the net impact of C&R oriented practitioners such as 
yourself is to leave a lot of dead marlin rotting on the bottom.

Considering we are going through a resource squeeze for seafood and 
fossil fuels, the activity you endorse which involves squandering large 
quantities of fossil fuels for the dubious feat of fighting a fish that 
can’t fight back, does NOT qualify as a conservation program IMHO.  
Billfish C&R programs could just as accurately be described as a 
decimation program. With millions of people starving to death each year 
worldwide and the planet’s population increasing, it is hard to place a 
higher value on billfish as entertainment, than as a food source.

If  billfish C&R programs were discontinued stocks could still be 
estimated from both recreational and longline Catch Per Unit of Effort 
(CPUE) data. NMFS Southwest fisheries center has been doing this for 
years.


>If this is truly your position than I feel it is admirable, I do not 
agree
>with it at all, but you are certainly entitled to try to convince others
>to see things your way.

>:One thing for sure - the best way to ensure a fish's survival is simply 
>:to leave it alone. I get real uncomfortable when I here people use the 
>:"any chance of survival is better than none" justification. That kind 
of 
>:platitude by catch-and-release advocates encourages a lot of 
destruction,

>:and wastage. But then again when people amuse themselves by "fighting" 
a 
>:fish that can't fight back, and whose only defence is to try to flee, 
>:those kinds of platitudes are to be expected.

>:I  had been thinking about that too. Nice to know that it works. The 
>:lure hookup % on striped marlin can get really frustrating, and I've
tried 
>:every trick in the book. Was he using the 
>:softhead to keep the mackeral from coming apart at that speed and 
>:then fishing it like bait after the strike (freespool, stop the boat, 
>:wait for the pause, etc.)??  Did he mention if he was  using both 
halves 
>:of the moldcraft over the bait or just the outside one??

>This is the same author?  Don't you think it is a little hypocritical to
>preach leaving the fish alone and then worry about your hookup %?

Greg - we both share an interest in marlin fishing techniques, but we are 
diametrically opposed in our motivations and intentions. I fish for 
marlin as a way of putting food on the table for family and friends. As a 
catch-and-release only fisher you fish for other reasons, which would 
appear to be the thrill of fighting an animal which can’t fight back, 
knowing full well that some of them are going to die as a result of their 
ordeal. Some would consider that a form of environmental vandalism.

>The long and short is that fishing does involve killing, (so does eating 
a
hamburger)
>the ocean is a resource that in my opinion can and should be responsibly
harvested.  

I am not a against killing when it involves harvesting food. I am however 
against the needless killing and senseless wastage of food resources, 
which your activities as a catch-and-release practitioner involve.

>As far as sportfishing is concerned it is simply that sport. 

I’m not sure I see the logic in that one.
 
>All of the data I can find shows that billfish stocks are not over
>exploited and the survival rate for properly released fish is higher 
than
>you might expect.  

Well in that case please post the data so we can all see it.


>The major pressure to billfish population comes from
>comercial longliners who simply throw dead marlin and sailfish (and a 
huge
>number of sharks) back in the ocean.  These fish have a near zero 
survival
>rate when hooked for 24 hours.  I have seen the data about recreational 
vs
>comercial fisherman and the numbers gathered by each, but in respect to
>Tuna and Marlin there was no data.  Marlin are not always recorded as a
>comercial catch and are almost never harvested by recreational anglers. 

Greg - It appears you are viewing the fishing world through Palm 
Beach-tinted glasses, where marlin are reserved as Torture Toys for The 
Rich.  In many places the recreational marlin catch is primarily utilised 
as a food source. A good example is Hawaii. Hawaiian recreational marlin 
fishers have to compete against commercial longliners. The recreational 
fleet still manages a reasonable catch and subject to a nominal 
commercial lisence fee they are allowed to sell their catch. The real 
winner are the consumers who enjoy high quality fresh fish at low cost. 
This would appear to be a far more environmentally sustainable method of 
managing a fishery than what catch-and-release fanatics such as yourself 
advocate. The C&R vision is that  entertainment is more important than 
food, even if some of the entertainees are left rotting on the bottom.


>If you are truly concerned about the frightened fish that is only trying
>to get away, The first step in preventing this might be for YOU to stop
>catching them and then worry about others.
>Greg Cousins
>Ft. Lauderdale FL

I’ll close this posting with some research results on hooking mortality. 
IMHO it indicates that we have an environmental problem here.

Craig Arfman, New Plymouth, New Zealand
c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz

RESEARCH REFERENCES:

39 BILLFISH TAGGED - 6 BILLFISH DEAD (15% MORTALITY)
Mortality on billfish caught and released then tracked with sonic tags

Study   by Dr. Julian Pepperell in 1994 Article: "High-Tech Tagging" by 
Dr. 
Julian Pepperel as published in Australian publication "Modern 
Fishing's Sport and Game Fishing" 1994 pages 10 to 16

Of 39 billfish (blue marlin, striped marlin and sailfish) 33 survived at 
least until the track was lost or abandoned. Six apparantly did not 
survive. Two (a sailfish and a blue marlin) were taken by sharks. Actual 
mortality may have been higher as some fish were tracked for much shorter 
periods than in Block and Carey's study. Determining mortality was not 
the primary consideration, determining the fish's daily movements 
appeared to have been the main objective.


6 MARLIN TAGGED AND RELEASED - 2 DEAD WITHIN 72 HOURS 
33% Mortality - blue marlin - Billfish telemetric study by 
Barbara Block and Frank Carey, supported by; The Billfish 
Foundation, The Pacific Gamefish Research Foundation, and 
the National Science Foundation, 1989

blue marlin #1 - caught on 180lb test line, 15 minute fight, tracked 67 
hours Fish survived

Blue marlin #2 - caught on 180lb line, 15 minute fight, tracked 43 hours 
before track abandoned due to rough weather. Fish survived.

Blue marlin #3 - tracked 72 hours. Fish survived.

Blue marlin #4 - tag was tracked for 72 hours. Tag was eaten by a 
white-tip shark. Can reasonably conclude fate of marlin was same as that 
of tag. Fish did not survive.

Blue marlin #5 - fish died 24 hours into track and sank to bottom

Blue marlin #6 - fish tracked 122 hours. Fish survived

The researchers used 180lb test on some of the fish to minimise capture 
times as other studies have shown long capture times damage the internal 
organs of marlin. Clearly if one marlin died and sank to the bottom, then 
the other which was killed by a shark, was most killed likely because it 
was less able to evade predators, as a result of capture stress.


10% AVERAGE OVERALL HOOKING MORTALITY IN 132 STUDIES
"Hooking mortality: A review for recreational fisheries" published in 
volume two of Reviews in Fisheries Science". Two Texan biologists, 
Maurice Muoneke and Michael Childress, amassed details of some 132 
studies which were relevant to hooking mortality, and summarised them in 
a number of ways. Some findings: 30% of all studies showed hooking 
mortality at 20% or more, 48% of studies showed mortality at more than 
10%, 41% showed hooking mortality at to be 5% or less. (As reported in 
Modern Fishing, April 1995, p. 27) 








From vrasdonk@kogia Fri Sep  8 17:52:48 EDT 1995
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From: vrasdonk@kogia (F. Vrasdonk)
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,
I'm a student environmentology at the Free University of Amsterdam.
I'm working on a mathematical model to calculate NOEC's and LC50's
with.
To validate the model I need testresults in wich is measured:
fishlength in time (at least three measurements per fish, the more the better)
and this for differend concentrations of a toxicant.
If you can help me please reply or mail me some titles.
Hope to hear from you, goodbye
				flobus



From brett3@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  8 17:52:50 EDT 1995
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com (brett rowley)
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Subject: Catch and Release Fishing
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I read the Argument about C&R billfishing with much interest and
emotion. I wonder if anybody has any comments or observations of how
these arguments might apply to largemouth bass fishing. Catch and
release have been the bywords of sportfishermen that pursue the bass
coast to coast. I have my own feelings and opinions on the subject. I
am the manager of a large privately owned sportfishing resort in
Southeast Texas. We have to practice C&R due to the large number of
users that would quickly deplete the population if the fish were
dressed and eaten. I am also a sportfisherman that practices C&R for
some species, and bring others home to feed my family. I see both sides
of the argument, but reserve my opinions at this time. As I lack the
time and financial resources to pursue billfishing, I would be very
curious about how fisheries managers felt about the same issue in
relation to largemouth and other freshwater species. Hoping to see some
more posts,
Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Koi breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas


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Subject: AQUACULTURE & FISH FARMING JOURNALS AVAILABLE
Date: 7 Sep 1995 22:22:22 GMT
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I have over 220 photocopied articles from various international
and professional journals that I wish to make available to someone in
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The bulk of these articles relate to the use of various Tilapia and
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I wish to make these available because my professional and personal
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From flip214@aol.com Sun Sep 10 23:40:05 EDT 1995
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From: flip214@aol.com (Flip214)
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I find it very difficult to believe that I or any other recreational
fisherman can be accused of leaving "a lot of dead marlin on the bottom."
I consider myself to be reasonably accomplished as a marlin fisherman and
have proven so in several tournaments.  In my life as a sport fisherman
the most marlin I have ever taken in a single day is 3.  I have a good
friend who works on a charter boat in St. Thomas which is thought to be
one of the billfish capitals of the world.  They were very proud to catch
100 marlin in a season.  Now given your mortality rate of 15 percent, in
one year they killed 15 fish as all were released.  I also have many
friends working at the NMFS who monitor catches of commercial longliners. 
In one trip they commonly kill 40-50 marlin and DO NOT keep them for food
but rather throw them back in the ocean.  It appears your problem lies
elsewhere.

>Considering we are going through a resource squeeze for seafood and 
>fossil fuels, the activity you endorse which involves squandering large 
>quantities of fossil fuels for the dubious feat of fighting a fish that 
>can't fight back, does NOT qualify as a conservation program IMHO.  
>Billfish C&R programs could just as accurately be described as a 
>decimation program. With millions of people starving to death each year 
>worldwide and the planetÆs population increasing, it is hard to place a 
>higher value on billfish as entertainment, than as a food source.

It is very clear by this statement that you and others who believe they
are feeding the world, live no where near the real world.  I would point
you and your feed the world following to The NMFS Green Turtle Billfish
Economic Impact Study.  This study convincingly concluded that the value
of one blue marlin taken commercially as a food source was approximately
$700 to the Bahamian people.  Then they found the value of the same marlin
caught and released by a visiting sport fisherman resulted in an average
inflow of $17,000 to the same economy.  The action taken by the Bahamian
government was to immediately ban all longlining in the Bahamas.  So while
you are feeding a few needy people with your captured marlin (which really
doesn't taste that good any way) the sport fisherman who releases his fish
is actually doing almost 25 times as much for the general public.  I ask
you now who would the people of many of these underdeveloped countries
rather see fishing their waters? You, who will give them 1 or 2 fish that
really isn't that good to eat.  Or me, who is going to spend several
thousand dollars buying fuel, give a few local people work as mates or
crew, spend a few thousand dollars in local hotels and restaurants and
maybe buy some souvenirs while I am there.  I think it goes all the way
back to the "give a man a fish - teach a man to fish" proverb.
What is your REAL problem with catch and release? I think you better find
some other group of people to single out in you attempt to solve the
world's problems because sport fisherman are doing more than most.

Captain Greg


From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Sun Sep 10 23:40:06 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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Subject: Re: Catch and Release Fishing
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IMHO, as with most anything, moderation is the best route (how's that
for sitting on the fence);).  Seriously, C&R folks tend to get on a
high horse occasionally and are proud that they are protecting the
fishery.  In reality, they are still killing fish.  A person who lands
30 trout in a fly fishing day trip and puts them all back will kill
more fish than the person who only lands 2 fish and eats them.  The 
only way to protect a fishery is to close it to fishing.  I guess you
could require hookless flies.  At least you would get to see the
strike.    

brett3@ix.netcom.com (brett rowley) wrote:
>
> I read the Argument about C&R billfishing with much interest and
> emotion. I wonder if anybody has any comments or observations of how
> these arguments might apply to largemouth bass fishing. Catch and
> release have been the bywords of sportfishermen that pursue the bass
> coast to coast. I have my own feelings and opinions on the subject. I
> am the manager of a large privately owned sportfishing resort in
> Southeast Texas. We have to practice C&R due to the large number of
> users that would quickly deplete the population if the fish were
> dressed and eaten. I am also a sportfisherman that practices C&R for
> some species, and bring others home to feed my family. I see both sides
> of the argument, but reserve my opinions at this time. As I lack the
> time and financial resources to pursue billfishing, I would be very
> curious about how fisheries managers felt about the same issue in
> relation to largemouth and other freshwater species. Hoping to see some
> more posts,
> Brett Rowley
> Fisheries Biologist
> Great Lakes Koi breeding Farm
> West Columbia, Texas



From halg@adfg.state.ak.us Sun Sep 10 23:40:08 EDT 1995
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From: Hal Geiger <halg@adfg.state.ak.us>
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Mike@dar-mail.ccmail.compuserve.com (Mike Yamamoto) wrote:
>
> <parts deleted>
>I need ... obtain fisheries budgets from as many states as possible

For the fiscal year that began in July of 1995, Alaska's budget is
    $17,820,000 for the Sport Fisheries Division, and 
    $42,118,000 for the Commercial Fisheries Division.

This is from Chapter 94 from the Session Laws of Alaska, p. 31.

I didn't reply through private e-mail because I thought it would
be interesting to others to see how these things vary across states.
                             ---Hal
    


From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Sun Sep 10 23:40:09 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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This is a great discussion that impacts much more than just billfish.
The C&R mentality is a good one when used in moderation.  Fishing for
food is fine as well, when done in moderation.  My background is the
Pacific Northwest.  The historic pictures of fisherman posing with
literally hundreds of sea-run cutthroat trout demonstrate outrageously
excessive fishing-for-food practices, and that fishery is suffering 
today, in part, because of overharvest.  C&R fishing kills fish, no one
can argue that point.  The guy in the fishing TV shows who talks about
C&R while dangling his catch out of the water is killing that fish.
Eating your catch is OK as long as you use common sense.  
I hunt and fish, and I eat what I kill.  I practice C&R as well when I 
feel I can release a fish unharmed, or when regulations require it.  
That means it never comes out of the water, is hooked in the lip, and
was fought a short time.

If you C&R fish, you will leave dead fish on the bottom.  That means
both food fishermen and C&R fisherman must use moderation in their
fishing.  Catching 50 to 75 trout in a day (yes, it is possible in the
Pacific Northwest, and I'll deny I ever said it ;)), is not protecting 
the fishery even if you release them all.  Limiting out every day for
a week is not protecting the fishery either.  I truly believe that 
hunters of all types (gun, bow, rod and reel) are some of the most
conservation minded people on the planet.  Protecting the wild stocks
of game animals is in all our best interests.  The only 100% effective
method to do this is to close off fisheries to any harvest method.
 

flip214@aol.com (Flip214) wrote:
>
> I find it very difficult to believe that I or any other recreational
> fisherman can be accused of leaving "a lot of dead marlin on the bottom."
> I consider myself to be reasonably accomplished as a marlin fisherman and
> have proven so in several tournaments.  In my life as a sport fisherman
> the most marlin I have ever taken in a single day is 3.  I have a good
> friend who works on a charter boat in St. Thomas which is thought to be
> one of the billfish capitals of the world.  They were very proud to catch
> 100 marlin in a season.  Now given your mortality rate of 15 percent, in
> one year they killed 15 fish as all were released.  I also have many
> friends working at the NMFS who monitor catches of commercial longliners. 
> In one trip they commonly kill 40-50 marlin and DO NOT keep them for food
> but rather throw them back in the ocean.  It appears your problem lies
> elsewhere.
> 
> >Considering we are going through a resource squeeze for seafood and 
> >fossil fuels, the activity you endorse which involves squandering large 
> >quantities of fossil fuels for the dubious feat of fighting a fish that 
> >can't fight back, does NOT qualify as a conservation program IMHO.  
> >Billfish C&R programs could just as accurately be described as a 
> >decimation program. With millions of people starving to death each year 
> >worldwide and the planetÆs population increasing, it is hard to place a 
> >higher value on billfish as entertainment, than as a food source.
> 
> It is very clear by this statement that you and others who believe they
> are feeding the world, live no where near the real world.  I would point
> you and your feed the world following to The NMFS Green Turtle Billfish
> Economic Impact Study.  This study convincingly concluded that the value
> of one blue marlin taken commercially as a food source was approximately
> $700 to the Bahamian people.  Then they found the value of the same marlin
> caught and released by a visiting sport fisherman resulted in an average
> inflow of $17,000 to the same economy.  The action taken by the Bahamian
> government was to immediately ban all longlining in the Bahamas.  So while
> you are feeding a few needy people with your captured marlin (which really
> doesn't taste that good any way) the sport fisherman who releases his fish
> is actually doing almost 25 times as much for the general public.  I ask
> you now who would the people of many of these underdeveloped countries
> rather see fishing their waters? You, who will give them 1 or 2 fish that
> really isn't that good to eat.  Or me, who is going to spend several
> thousand dollars buying fuel, give a few local people work as mates or
> crew, spend a few thousand dollars in local hotels and restaurants and
> maybe buy some souvenirs while I am there.  I think it goes all the way
> back to the "give a man a fish - teach a man to fish" proverb.
> What is your REAL problem with catch and release? I think you better find
> some other group of people to single out in you attempt to solve the
> world's problems because sport fisherman are doing more than most.
> 
> Captain Greg



From jdidden@emerald.tufts.edu Sun Sep 10 23:40:10 EDT 1995
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: decimation program. With millions of people starving to death each year 
: worldwide and the planet’s population increasing, it is hard to place a 
: higher value on billfish as entertainment, than as a food source.

	Exactly what large scale food value do Bill-Fish have?  And I am 
unconvinced that harvesting billfish for food is an environmentally 
friendly practice in the first place.  Is it an efficient method to 
collect food?  I mean, it's one thing to harvest billfish for food if 
there is concrete evidence that they are experiencing over-population 
problems (like suburban deer winter-kill situations) but I have a hard 
time that the pursuit of bill fish would be the best allocation of 
recources, if the goal was to use the least recources to procure the 
greatest foodstuffs at the least cost to the environment.

: >:One thing for sure - the best way to ensure a fish's survival is simply 
: >:to leave it alone. I get real uncomfortable when I here people use the 
: >:"any chance of survival is better than none" justification. That kind 
: of 
: >:platitude by catch-and-release advocates encourages a lot of 
: destruction,

: >:and wastage.

	True, it is not the best senario.  But in the best senario if 
what you are looking at is a narrow view of what is the best thing for 
the environment, we should tear all our cities down, reduce the 
population of humankind to about 1/100 of what it is now, and spend every 
day going individually through the forest pruning out plants that will 
eventually die because they are sick or will be out-competed by near-by 
plants.  This most likely will not happen.  So what we need is some 
comprimise.  And if when I go fishing, I release most of my fish, and 
keep one or two fish every couple of trips, I think that this is a 
comprimise that will help the environment.  If I and all the other 
Potomac River fishers kept even half of the fish we caught, the River 
would be depleted in no time at all.  The other thing is that you can 
usually tell when fish are going to survive & when they are not.  So if 
you keep a few fish, only those you deep hook or exaust, then you both 
return all most all of your fish *and* prevent waste to a great extent.

: diametrically opposed in our motivations and intentions. I fish for 
: marlin as a way of putting food on the table for family and friends. As a 
: catch-and-release only fisher you fish for other reasons, which would 
: appear to be the thrill of fighting an animal which can’t fight back, 
: knowing full well that some of them are going to die as a result of their 
: ordeal. Some would consider that a form of environmental vandalism.

	Some would call your eating such a beautiful animal when it could 
have been released the same thing...

: winner are the consumers who enjoy high quality fresh fish at low cost. 
: This would appear to be a far more environmentally sustainable method of 
: managing a fishery than what catch-and-release fanatics such as yourself 
: advocate. The C&R vision is that  entertainment is more important than 
: food, even if some of the entertainees are left rotting on the bottom.

	Just because it provides consumers with meat at low cost does not 
make it environmentally friendly...refer to my 1st paragraph...  Like the 
captain said, if you are so concerned, recearch the most environmentally 
way to live, and then do that.  I would bet that it is far different from 
what you are doing now.  Not that mine is, but what I want to emphasize 
is that what we need are comprimises, and in many situations C&R is one 
that helps the environment.

						Jason Didden



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The effort is intended to make information that has already been
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In article <42pkui$c8t@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Flip214 <flip214@aol.com> wrote:

>friend who works on a charter boat in St. Thomas which is thought to be
>one of the billfish capitals of the world.  They were very proud to catch
>100 marlin in a season.  Now given your mortality rate of 15 percent, in
>one year they killed 15 fish as all were released.  I also have many
>friends working at the NMFS who monitor catches of commercial longliners. 
>In one trip they commonly kill 40-50 marlin and DO NOT keep them for food
>but rather throw them back in the ocean.

That's a requirement by law, to dissuade people from harvesting marlin
via the "incidental catch" loophole.  It probably could be eliminated
by proper enforcement, but the economics of marlin for food doesn't yet
justify the extra cost.

>you and your feed the world following to The NMFS Green Turtle Billfish
>Economic Impact Study.  This study convincingly concluded that the value
>of one blue marlin taken commercially as a food source was approximately
>$700 to the Bahamian people.  Then they found the value of the same marlin
>caught and released by a visiting sport fisherman resulted in an average
>inflow of $17,000 to the same economy.  The action taken by the Bahamian
>government was to immediately ban all longlining in the Bahamas.  So while

So the total economic value from a catch-and-kill/keep (C&K) fisherman
would be $17,700 per marlin, greater than C&R.  The numbers can vary
depending on the market for food, the market for sportfishing, and the
state of the fishery.  There will be situations in which C&R is best,
there will be situations in which C&K is best, there will be
situations in which plain commercial harvesting is best.

Craig's point (up until his latest post - I'm not so sure in that one)
was that as the value of fish for food increases, the merits of C&R
would decline faster than the merits of C&K.  Eventually you reach a
point where C&R is unacceptable behavior.
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
John H. Kim        "A common mistake that people make when trying to design
jokim@mit.edu       something completely foolproof is to underestimate the
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams


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This is not altogether the right story about what goes on inside a fish 
after it is caught, and fights the line for a while. All fishes, and 
people, burn glucose in their muscles, from either glycogen stores, or 
>from  other metabolic pathways, including those leading to and from fat 
stores. As long as their is plenty of oxygen flowing from the gills, 
through the arteries and capillaries to arive at the working muscles, 
this is a relatively simple process of converting nutrients to work, and 
heat. If oxygen becomes limiting, or is used up, then another 
biochemical pathway kicks in, and the metabolites are different, as the 
various alternative pathways are used to move energy around to the 
muscles. The major end product of anoxic metabolism is Lactic acid, 
which is a normal component of biochemical processes, but the build up 
can cause some pain, and general acidification of the working tissues 
and those adjacent. That is why your muscles smart after too much 
activity, or prolonged stress.  The oxygen carrying capacity of blood is 
very sensitive to local acidity (pH), and tends to unload under acid 
conditions, often leaving the down stream sites a bit under oxygenated.

All this tends to lead to delyed total recovery, but tunas, in 
particular, have the highest levels of the enzymes that reconvert lactic 
acid back to readily metabolized biochemical components, that it would 
take a real tough, low level of oxygen situation to stifle their 
recoveries. Yet, we know that the acidification of the muscle, and the 
blood itself can cause prolonged stress for the fish, or you.

It is probably easier for a fish to die from acidosis than for a human, 
simply because you would pass out, or stop painful activities long 
before you would die. Fish, tunas and billfishes, have no miraculous 
means for resting as they really must swim continuously to stay in the 
uper, oxygenated water column. Now we have a dilemma. The fish must slow 
dowm and recover its metabolic balance, which they do remarkably well in 
contrast to many species. The tissues have quite stable enzyme levels, 
and very volatile nutrient substrate levels, and by-products, which is 
what varies. 

Fish can and will die from fighting the lines, more rapidly in warm 
environments thatn in cold ones, as a function of available oxygen. The 
second, and more critical issue for big fishes like tunas and marlins is 
the temperatures attained by their muscles during long struggles on the 
end of fishing lines. Their body temperatures can and do attain levels 
that are sufficiently high that it denatures the muscle proteins, and 
the flesh can eventually become hydrolyzed by enzymes that leak from 
cell organelles, essentially digesting from the inside. This is the 
source of what has been called "honey-combing" of fish flesh, that was 
first identified in tunas and billfishes caught on longlines, in warm 
ocean areas. So the mysterious short-term mortalities following tagging, 
or catch and realease, is likely to be more related to the over heating 
than to acidosis, although both probably work toward the same, painful 
end.

I hope that this helps you understand why I quit "fishing for fun" over 
twenty years ago, although I commend anyone that can,and will eat what 
they catch. Tunas and billfishes are wonderful species, amongst many, 
and should be appreciated, and only played on a line for the shortest 
period possible, then killed and eaten. Experts in fish tagging have 
worked for decades on quick, efficient means for tagging animals in 
special research environments, and that is still a very primitive way to 
learn what fishes do. Modern techniques include attaching sonic tags, 
and special elctronic logging technologies that record for months to 
years what and where fishes do things. These are inportant information, 
in learning how to maintain healthy populations, and how to minimize the 
costs of catching food fishes. That is the purpose of fisheries 
management. Tagging is an archane science, at best. 

I hope this helps you understand what is really going on. I wrote the 
bokk on The Physiological Ecology of tunas, with my colleagues, about 
twenty years past. We love the subject, the way these critters have 
evolved to share the ocean's very disparately distributed food webs, and 
can only hope that human's will learn more quickly how to better deal 
with our general ignorance of the oceans, and the important ecosystems
that provide our needs. Have fun! Be kind, and be healthy.

Gary D. Sharp




From test@test Sun Sep 10 23:40:16 EDT 1995
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This is not altogether the right story about what goes on inside a fish 
after it is caught, and fights the line for a while. All fishes, and 
people, burn glucose in their muscles, from either glycogen stores, or 
>from  other metabolic pathways, including those leading to and from fat 
stores. As long as their is plenty of oxygen flowing from the gills, 
through the arteries and capillaries to arive at the working muscles, 
this is a relatively simple process of converting nutrients to work, and 
heat. If oxygen becomes limiting, or is used up, then another 
biochemical pathway kicks in, and the metabolites are different, as the 
various alternative pathways are used to move energy around to the 
muscles. The major end product of anoxic metabolism is Lactic acid, 
which is a normal component of biochemical processes, but the build up 
can cause some pain, and general acidification of the working tissues 
and those adjacent. That is why your muscles smart after too much 
activity, or prolonged stress.  The oxygen carrying capacity of blood is 
very sensitive to local acidity (pH), and tends to unload under acid 
conditions, often leaving the down stream sites a bit under oxygenated.

All this tends to lead to delyed total recovery, but tunas, in 
particular, have the highest levels of the enzymes that reconvert lactic 
acid back to readily metabolized biochemical components, that it would 
take a real tough, low level of oxygen situation to stifle their 
recoveries. Yet, we know that the acidification of the muscle, and the 
blood itself can cause prolonged stress for the fish, or you.

It is probably easier for a fish to die from acidosis than for a human, 
simply because you would pass out, or stop painful activities long 
before you would die. Fish, tunas and billfishes, have no miraculous 
means for resting as they really must swim continuously to stay in the 
uper, oxygenated water column. Now we have a dilemma. The fish must slow 
dowm and recover its metabolic balance, which they do remarkably well in 
contrast to many species. The tissues have quite stable enzyme levels, 
and very volatile nutrient substrate levels, and by-products, which is 
what varies. 

Fish can and will die from fighting the lines, more rapidly in warm 
environments thatn in cold ones, as a function of available oxygen. The 
second, and more critical issue for big fishes like tunas and marlins is 
the temperatures attained by their muscles during long struggles on the 
end of fishing lines. Their body temperatures can and do attain levels 
that are sufficiently high that it denatures the muscle proteins, and 
the flesh can eventually become hydrolyzed by enzymes that leak from 
cell organelles, essentially digesting from the inside. This is the 
source of what has been called "honey-combing" of fish flesh, that was 
first identified in tunas and billfishes caught on longlines, in warm 
ocean areas. So the mysterious short-term mortalities following tagging, 
or catch and realease, is likely to be more related to the over heating 
than to acidosis, although both probably work toward the same, painful 
end.

I hope that this helps you understand why I quit "fishing for fun" over 
twenty years ago, although I commend anyone that can,and will eat what 
they catch. Tunas and billfishes are wonderful species, amongst many, 
and should be appreciated, and only played on a line for the shortest 
period possible, then killed and eaten. Experts in fish tagging have 
worked for decades on quick, efficient means for tagging animals in 
special research environments, and that is still a very primitive way to 
learn what fishes do. Modern techniques include attaching sonic tags, 
and special elctronic logging technologies that record for months to 
years what and where fishes do things. These are inportant information, 
in learning how to maintain healthy populations, and how to minimize the 
costs of catching food fishes. That is the purpose of fisheries 
management. Tagging is an archane science, at best. 

I hope this helps you understand what is really going on. I wrote the 
bokk on The Physiological Ecology of tunas, with my colleagues, about 
twenty years past. We love the subject, the way these critters have 
evolved to share the ocean's very disparately distributed food webs, and 
can only hope that human's will learn more quickly how to better deal 
with our general ignorance of the oceans, and the important ecosystems
that provide our needs. Have fun! Be kind, and be healthy.

Gary D. Sharp




From flip214@aol.com Sun Sep 10 23:40:18 EDT 1995
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From: flip214@aol.com (Flip214)
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Subject: Re: C&R - Conservation or Environmental Vandalism?
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>So the total economic value from a catch-and-kill/keep (C&K) fisherman
>would be $17,700 per marlin, greater than C&R.  The numbers can vary
>depending on the market for food, the market for sportfishing, and the
>state of the fishery.  There will be situations in which C&R is best,
>there will be situations in which C&K is best, there will be
>situations in which plain commercial harvesting is best.

This is true for the first fish but  then you have eliminated one fish  to
be caught in the future.  We have all been using a 10 percent mortality
rate for releases (which I do not totally accept) which I would argue may
be relatively sustainable for the population.  By killing everything you
catch there may be less fish to be caught in the future.  Now captain
Charlie may tell captain John that they havent been catching as many fish
here in WallaWalla.  Now the next fish caught may be worth only $14,000
because captain John didn't come over this year.  Resources might be
better spent to figure out how to lower the mortality rates for released
billfish and what steps could be taken to improve the sportfishing in the
area. (sinking all the longliners may be a good start :))
At least now were getting some good stuff in this news group.
Good Luck
Greg


From nducket@aol.com Sun Sep 10 23:40:20 EDT 1995
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From: nducket@aol.com (NDucket)
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Subject: Re: Catch and Release Fishing
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>more fish than the person who only lands 2 fish and eats them.  The 
>only way to protect a fishery is to close it to fishing.  I guess you
>could require hookless flies.  At least you would get to see the
>strike.   

'the only way to protect a fishery is to close it to fishing' ????  Why do
you have to completly close a fishery to protect it?  Why can't it just be
utilized wisely and at an optimum sustainable yield?  The fish maintain
their stocks, people get to fish for fun or for food, everyone's happy.  I
realize this practice is easier said than done, but saying 'just close the
fishery to fishing' is a cop out.


From jokim@tuna.mit.edu Sun Sep 10 23:40:21 EDT 1995
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From: jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim)
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In article <42qrds$7gn@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Flip214 <flip214@aol.com> wrote:

>>So the total economic value from a catch-and-kill/keep (C&K) fisherman
>>would be $17,700 per marlin, greater than C&R.  The numbers can vary
>>depending on the market for food, the market for sportfishing, and the
>>state of the fishery.
>
>This is true for the first fish but then you have eliminated one fish to
>be caught in the future.  We have all been using a 10 percent mortality
>rate for releases (which I do not totally accept) which I would argue may
>be relatively sustainable for the population.  By killing everything you
>catch there may be less fish to be caught in the future.

No.  There are fewer fish to be caught in the future *only* if the
total number of fish killed exceeds the growth rate of the fishery.
If you wanted to think of it in terms of a sustainable fishery, say
that X fish could be killed without harming the fishery.  As long as

 (commercial catch) + (C&K catch) + 0.1*(C&R catch)  <  X 

the fishery will be fine (replace 0.1 with whatever percentage you
agree on).  How you divide up the catch into the three groups is what
we're arguing here, not which one will put you over the limit (which
is like blaming the entire deficit on welfare, or defense, or any one
program).  Even if food value were a non-issue, a 10% mortality rate
is just as devastating if you're beyond the point of sustainable
yield, and ten times as many marlin are C&R'ed as are C&K'ed.

I'm not trying to disprove your point.  I'm trying to show that your
point and Craig's point can both be correct.  They are both within the
realm of possibility.  Which one happens to true for a particular case
depends on the food market, sportfishing market, and the condition of
that particular fishery.
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
John H. Kim        "A common mistake that people make when trying to design
jokim@mit.edu       something completely foolproof is to underestimate the
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams


From cjones@rsmas.miami.edu Sun Sep 10 23:40:22 EDT 1995
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From: cjones@rsmas.miami.edu (Christopher Jones)
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Subject: Re: Tuna and Marlin
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In article <42mucf$iu3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, flip214@aol.com (Flip214) says:
>

> 
>All of the data I can find shows that billfish stocks are not over
>exploited and the survival rate for properly released fish is higher than
>you might expect.  The major pressure to billfish population comes from
>comercial longliners who simply throw dead marlin and sailfish (and a huge
>number of sharks) back in the ocean.  These fish have a near zero survival
>rate when hooked for 24 hours.  
>
>
Greg

I'm not sure which data you're looking at, but I conducted assessments
for sailfish and white marlin using ALL yield data reported and indices
of abundance for 30 years from countries around the Atlantic.  Every model 
run showed fully exploited to overexploited stock status in the western
Atlantic for sailfish and overexploited for white marlin in the western 
Atlantic (published in ICCAT proceedings). There has been a fairly 
substantial decline in biomass through the 80's and into the 90's for 
billfish.  It's true that longliners, particularly the Japanese, remove 
the lions share of billfish biomass, and survivorship is extremely low 
after an extended time on the hook.  A tough problem to tackle.

Chris


From ac582@ccn.cs.dal.ca Sun Sep 10 23:40:26 EDT 1995
Article: 699 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Far too often, people confuse "fish" with "fishing". The only way to 
"protect fish" may be to close the stock to fishing (and protect its 
habitat, avoid introducing predators and competitors etc. etc.). But a 
closure does not "protect a fishery", it removes it entirely.

Still, if the resource is really in trouble, a closure can be the only 
responsible option.

Trevor Kenchington

NDucket (nducket@aol.com) wrote:
: >more fish than the person who only lands 2 fish and eats them.  The 
: >only way to protect a fishery is to close it to fishing.  I guess you
: >could require hookless flies.  At least you would get to see the
: >strike.   

: 'the only way to protect a fishery is to close it to fishing' ????  Why do
: you have to completly close a fishery to protect it?  Why can't it just be
: utilized wisely and at an optimum sustainable yield?  The fish maintain
: their stocks, people get to fish for fun or for food, everyone's happy.  I
: realize this practice is easier said than done, but saying 'just close the
: fishery to fishing' is a cop out.

--


From aitutaki@perth.DIALix.oz.au Sun Sep 10 23:40:28 EDT 1995
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From: Ben Grummels <aitutaki@perth.DIALix.oz.au>
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On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Vaughn E. Drake wrote:

> want.I'll do what I can .
>                     Vaughn Drake
>        vedrake@bud.peinet.pe.ca
> 
> 
Thank you.  The student in Darwin is Freddy Wilridge.  He is the Senior 
Ranger of the Bidyadanga Aboriginal community, 200 km south of Broome.  
At the moment he's doing a short course in MARINE SCIENCE.  I have no 
email address for him or Batchelor College in Darwin.  Please could you 
either fax him a page about blue fin tuna @ +61 89 760355 or email me and 
I'll print and fax it to Freddy.
With a 10 metre tide here the oceans and what's revealed when the tide 
goes out is really interesting.  I'm sure Freddy would remember and show 
his appreciation to anyone sending him the blue fin info he is seeking.  
I guess at about high school level.

Thanx for your offer of help.

Ben


From borbely@c2.org Sun Sep 24 00:47:24 EDT 1995
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Does anybody KNOW why aquatic mammals' testicles are inside the body cavity,
while most mammals' body temperature is too high for sperm survival?
Is it that aquatic mammals have lower body temperatures or is it perhaps
that their sperm can withstand higher temperatures? 

Please e-mail me back directly!
many thanks.


From fish@nafc.zetnet.co.uk Sun Sep 24 00:47:25 EDT 1995
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From: fish@nafc.zetnet.co.uk (NAFC Fish)
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Subject: Fisheries Videos Wanted
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In connection with some courses which I am putting together on 
Fisheries Studies I would be obliged for any information about where 
where I might obtain video films to use as teaching aides. I am 
interested in anything on fisheries related issues, as well as more 
general oceanographic and marine biological topics, which are 
relevent to the North Sea and/or northern North Atlantic.

I would also be interested in suggestions as to good text books for a 
Fisheries Studies course. The course will be aimed at about the final 
year school/first year university level.

With thanks in advance,


Ian R. Napier.

-- 
North Atlantic Fisheries College            E-mail: fish@nafc.zetnet.co.uk
Scalloway
Shetland Isles                                 Tel: +44 (0) 1595 880 328
Scotland  ZE1 0UN                              Fax: +44 (0) 1595 880 549



From jjoy@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca Sun Sep 24 00:47:26 EDT 1995
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From: jjoy@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Jonathan B. Joy)
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Dose anyone know where I can access any data on squid catches (by-catch) 
outside the Canadian 200 mile limit?

Thanks,

Jonathan Joy
  




From Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 24 00:47:27 EDT 1995
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In article <43oh70$aue@yell.zetnet.co.uk>
           fish@nafc.zetnet.co.uk "NAFC Fish" writes:

> In connection with some courses which I am putting together on 
> Fisheries Studies I would be obliged for any information about where 
> where I might obtain video films to use as teaching aides. 

There is a very early silent documentary 'Drifters' which might be of 
historical interest. UEA might help with this and other resources.

There is a video about Scallops advertised in the current issue of
'Fishing News'. 
> 
> I would also be interested in suggestions as to good text books for a 
> Fisheries Studies course. 

The very worst *textbook* on any subject is 'Modern Inshore Fishing'
by R. D. Leakey.

 


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Controlling wastes and diseases with microbes and enzymes is the best way,
 ecologically and economically, to farm fish in large quantities. The 
aquacultural industry offers to our current product lines, and to our 
future development of products, a huge and immediate sales market. This 
fast-growing market with its rapid turnover will be the first focus of 
our initial sales and marketing programs for these very evident and 
compelling reasons.
                             
                                             STATEMENT OF PURPOSE

ABCC's business strategy is to make available and to market microbial and 
enzymic products and programs designed to clean-up organic wastes and 
water, and to reduce  associated  diseases spearheaded by the 
aquacultural industry.  These products are grown under special laboratory 
conditions for maximum density and productivity.  The labs adhere to and 
meet USDA standards. These products address a wide variety of ecological 
uses for aquacultural, agricultural and commercial industries. Numerous 
contaminated sites are the subject of Federal and State legislation 
mandating and funding their clean-up. Clean water quality is essential in 
aquaculture and it is the most promising area for a rapid return on 
investment.  These products and processes can be used in all areas of 
wastewater management.                
The Company Technology



Through extensive research and experimentation, the Company has compiled 
superior products and methodologies for the conversion of aquatic wastes 
into clean environments for the raising of finfish and shellfish. This 
technology includes the use of microbial augmentation, aeration and 
biofilters in reducing the major organic waste build-ups and gases. At 
the same time they reduce pollution, disease and associated health 
hazards. These products and techniques can be applied to agricultural and 
industrial wastes as well.


Sanitary water conditions must be maintained during the raising of 
aquatic animals. Microbial products, in particular. can produce an 
environment in which many diseases, such as Aeromonas are precluded.  
This is a particularly devastating fish disease and highly contagious.
This disease causes ulcers which necrose right through the muscle, which 
is why it is also known as "Hole-in-the-Side" disease. It can also cause 
gill rot, fin rot or blood poisoning before killing the fish. It also 
causes "pop-eye" and "pine cone" disease (dropsy) and internal 
hemorrhaging.  Poor water conditions and maintenance, overcrowding, rough 
handling, and rapid temperature and pH changes will trigger the infection 
in fish.  The efficacy of our products in its treatment are currently 
being extensively tested and documented in Malaysia after it had been 
successfully used in other Asian countries.  Vibrio strains (one of which 
is cholera) and other pathogenic bacteria are also precluded.


All of our products, both enzymic and microbial, have shown consistent 
beneficial effects for marine crustaceans and aquatic vertebrates. 
Antibiotics, which are mostly synthetic or chemical, can create more 
virulent strains of the pathogens they are meant to combat.  Our 
probiotic microbes proliferate to the point that they preclude the 
pathogenic bacteria from the environment (called "competitive exclusion") 
while they also metabolize and clean up the wastes.


These microbial and enzymic products are superior to commonly used 
products on the market today. Current documentation and application has 
indicated that these products are the best way to reduce or eliminate 
organic wastes. Rather than using  the current method of flushing wastes 
into another environment through the use of massive amounts of excess 
water, our products can do the same job more economically and effectively.
 Water is not wasted nor are other aquatic environments polluted. This is 
because the microbes will continue to multiply and to metabolize organic 
wastes as long as the wastes are there as a food source.


The Biological and Ecological Approach to Clean Water

ABCC's biological and ecological approach to aquacultural waste material 
remediation and wastewater management accomplish the following 
objectives:

  *Reduces foul and unpleasant waste material odors significantly.
  *Produces optimum water quality.
  *Produces high-quality organic biofilters.
  *Increases wastewater use alternatives.
  *Decreases water usage.
  *Reduces pest infestation, fungus, and diseases in aquatic livestock.
  *Reduces groundwater contamination.
  *Reduces use of harmful chemicals and synthetics.
  *Decreases costs of waste disposal.
  *Reduces toxic elements, such as sulfides and ammonias, phosphates and
     nitrites, into harmless elements.
  *Turns problem areas into profit centers.

Microbial and Enzymic Product Sources

ABCC has a virtual unending supply of low-cost microbial and enzymic 
products available from our laboratories, including the newest and 
ongoing developments.We have spent years researching and testing product 
lines in our selection process. We are confident that our sources are the 
most prolific and innovative in the field.

Under normal conditions nature keeps the chemistry in aquacultural 
ecosystems in balance. When changes in the balance occur by overstocking 
the aquatic system to produce more product for the market, too many fish 
create more waste than can be digested naturally. The system becomes 
polluted and toxic to the fish.  Fish mortality increases the organic 
toxic wastes and pollution. Thus whole aquatic systems will die off if 
the imbalance is not corrected.

Microbial and enzymic products are significantly beneficial in 
rejuvenating aquatic systems fouled from overstocking and chemical 
additives. Most fish farms try to remedy these problems by flushing with 
large quantities of water from surrounding bodies of water and drawn from 
wells that tap the aquifer. This further unbalances the ecosystem and 
expands the pollution.

ABCC provides customized blends of microbes and enzymes to address the 
major carrying capacity problems of fish farming or intensive 
aquaculture: density, ammonia and suspended solids. Oxygen is an 
associated problem which requires a combination of our product to reduce 
fecal solids, and aeration equipment, reducing suspended solids without 
flocculents, reduces inflammatory gill diseases. 
Quality Control Testing of Microbial and Enzymic Products

A continuous analysis of ABCC's  products is done at the laboratory and 
will be verified through our own testing facilities during batching. Each 
formulation will be identified,  and the strength of our products defined,
 to guarantee quality control and to facilitate proper dosages. As always,
our microbial and enzymic products will be continuously monitored and 
tested.

U.S. Department of Agriculture Compliance

The Company's products requiring USDA approval have such approvals. There 
are products not requiring USDA or EPA approval.  Such clearance or 
approval is not required because these products are simply concentrated 
quantities, specially propagated and formulated, of only naturally-
occurring microbes and enzymes. None are genetically altered.

ABCC's Primary Microbial and Enzymic Products

ABCC's primary microbes and enzymes are produced by particular certified 
laboratories to meet our higher density and quality standards. From these 
we formulate blends for specific applications. The propagation of 
microbes and the production of enzymes are proprietary secrets of the 
laboratory and we jealously guard the identity of our sources. Microbes 
and enzymes themselves are not patentable unless genetically altered-ours 
are not. They are naturally-occurring.

The propagation of microbes and enzymes is not proprietary either. 
However, the equipment, methods and processes, quantities, densities and 
blending of the microbes and enzymes are proprietary. ABCC, in turn, has 
these microbes and enzymes shipped to our bottling and packaging 
warehouse, whereupon they are combined or blended for the particular 
remediation project at hand.  With this procedure of customization, 
competitors cannot decipher the formulation of our blends. ABCC also has 
a nutrient which we add to our blends as a food source which further 
complicates the identification of the blending. Once the blends are 
packaged, there is no way the customer can propagate the original high 
concentrations of the microbes or enzymes. Achieving a long shelf life 
involves proprietary and trade secrets.

ABCC's products have a shelf life of 8 months to a year at room 
temperature. During this period the microbial count will slightly degrade 
on a daily basis. If refrigerated, the microbes and enzymes will go 
dormant and can be stored for  up to 2 years. They cannot be stored below 
38 degrees F, or they will die.  ABCC has a number of basic product 
blends which are used in aquacultural applications at this time. These 
products are Vitanitrifyer, Vitazyme (liquid), Vitazyme (dry), Vitaclear, 
Vitablue, Vitabrew probiotic twin packs -  Vitashield and  Vitabiotic,  
Vitazyme Super, and Vitadegrader.

                                                              
email: cxqp37e@prodigy.com  




From darrel_wilson@bendnet.com Sun Sep 24 00:47:29 EDT 1995
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From: Darrel Wilson <darrel_wilson@bendnet.com>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Questions of a Biology Student
Date: 20 Sep 1995 03:22:23 GMT
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                         Questions of a Biology Student
I'm not quite sure that is the correct newsgroup to post to, and if so I would 
appreciate being pointed in the correct direction (URL)-- my apologizes if this is 
the case.  If not, however, the advanced biology class that I'm currently taking has
assigned the following problem on which I would like the help/experiences of others 
on (it was my hope that users of this page could offer advice on fish aspects of the 
below problem, but all questions were left in hopes users knowledge spans more than 
one area) (underscore '_' used to indicate subscript):

Problem: To construct, utilizing only the space available in a 37.85 liter (10 
gallon) glass aquarium, a sustainable ecosystem for both auto- and hetero- trophs, 
sealing after completion of the ecosystem.  Success will be competitive and based on 
the mass of living heterotrophs at the end of one year.  Sealing is defined as 
making the aquarium air and water tight.  Light (florescent based) will shine for 24 
hours a day, and temperature regulated at approximately 22 C, with the standard 
variations of building environmental control.

My own questions, no order: What should the balance of fauna to flora be for a 
balance to occur, especially concerning photosynthesis/cellular respiration 
(O_2-CO_2)? (Balance possibly in mass ratio?)

What are the best species of both fauna and flora to include for maximum mass in 
limited volume? (Both aquatic or terrain life is possible.)  Questions on suggested 
organism/species: What are the specific and general needs of that organism; e.g. 
earth and nutrients for earth worms?  For the given organism, are there any specific 
material/nutrient requirements (e.g. selenium for specific plants)?  Any specific 
requirements for reproduction?

What level of nutrients should be included?  What will the limiting factors be 
concerning materials? (P, K, I, S suspected, depending on species inclusion.)

Are there specific biotic factors to include; e.g. nitrogen fixing bacteria?

What type of soil is recommended?

Would an aquatic environment be favored to a terra based one?

Would a specific mix/ratio of gasses for air be preferred to the natural one? (10% 
CO_2 : 40 O_2 : 60 N_2 considered for maximizing flora growth to support fast eating 
heterotrophs.)  Could this balance be maintained if instituted?

How much water should be included?  Is there a ratio of water to life?  Is there a 
optimum amount?  For specific organisms?

Should, for increased productivity, the aquarium be pressurized? (Location is at 1 
100 meters, 3 600 feet hence a lower availability of oxygen and carbon dioxide)

Will, aside from being a sealed container (green house), the glass aquarium have an 
effect on the contents? (E.g. RTV is used to seal them, could this present a 
variable?)

Absence of light is controllable.  Would there be a preference to 24 hour light, 
e.g. a 12 on 12 off cycle?

What are the chances for predatory species to survive in competition?

Would a balance with reproducing organisms be maintainable in said environment?

What would the maximum size be for an organism to maintain life?

Would a mix of organisms from different climates/locations be more productive?


Please E-mail responces to <darrel_wilson@bendnet.com>.

Thankyou.



From pedersmw@acasun.eckerd.edu Sun Sep 24 00:47:30 EDT 1995
Article: 759 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: pedersmw@acasun.eckerd.edu (Matthew W. Pedersen)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Captive Reproduction of Marine Fish ?
Date: 20 Sep 1995 15:55:31 -0400
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I am interested in breeding some type of marine tropical fish and
hopefully raising the fry to maturity.  I need a small, colorful species. 
I have a 12 gallon tank to raise the pair of fish in, although I could go
larger as needed.  Below are some of the species/genus's I am interested
in.  I will list whatever I do know with them.  Does anyone have
information on any of the following species:

Opisthognathus sp. (Jawfishes)
I know they are mouthbrooders...

Centropyge sp. (Pygmy Angels, especially C. argi)
I had a customer who had these spawning in a 58 gallon aquarium.  He
wanted a pair, so I sold him a larger and a smaller angel, which fought
but after a few weeks paired up.  As I last heard, they spawned daily at
six pm, spiraling upwards in the water and shedding sperm and an "egg packet".

Psuedocheilinus hexataenia (Six-Line Wrasse)

Pseudochromis sp., Gramma sp. (Basslets)
I've heard a couple reports of "harems"  building nests in caves...

Chrysiptera sp. (Damselfish, especially C. starki)
I know that captive reproduction in Amphiprion sp. (Clownfish) is
commonplace, but I haven't ever heard any reports of Damselfish spawning. 
I am especially interested in C. starki becuase they are rare, extremely
beautiful, and relatively peaceful as far as damsels go.  I assume they
would have similar reproductive habits as Clownfish, and would be an ideal
species to try.

Ecsenius sp., Emblemaria sp., (Blennies)
I've heard a couple reports of blenny spawnings in aquariums, and most
tend to say they are nest builders and they guard their eggs.

Signigobius biocellatus (Signal Gobies)
I know that these fish must be kept in mated pairs if they are to survive
long in captivity.  I've read somewhere that the pair digs a burrow and
seals it up once the eggs have been laid.  If my memory serves me, I
believe that one egg hatches and devours the rest as food, and when it is
large enough the parents release it.

Nematelotris sp. (Flame Gobies or Firefish)

Gobiodon sp. (Clown Gobies)

	Any information on obtaining a pair of fish, mating habits, fry
rearing techniques, etc... would be greatly appreciated, as would any
opinions or suggestions for other species not listed.  I have a 45 gallon
aquarium available to me, as well as running seawater, ect...  I'd prefer
to use the small 12 gallon in my dorm room, but I could talk to my
profesors if I need something specific.

	I hope this post is within the scope of this newsgroup, but I will
also post this in sci.aquaria.  Thanks again!

				-Matt Pedersen-
				Marine Biology Major
				Eckerd College, St. Petersburg FL
				pedersmw@acasun.eckerd.edu



From skgmonbi@aol.com Sun Sep 24 00:47:31 EDT 1995
Article: 760 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: skgmonbi@aol.com (SKGMonBI)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Jellyfish or Egg Mass??
Date: 20 Sep 1995 23:36:52 -0400
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WeI were diving last weekend in the Straits of Juan de Fuca west of Port
Angeles, Washington.  We saw a two foot long segmented "creature".  The
segments were about one centimeter long and had a yellow center surrounded
by a firm clear (jellyfish looking) material. The body looked like a
relatively fat snake.   On one end of the mass there was a hammerhead of
clear material that was pulsating and moving water out of an opening on
the bottom of the "head".  I saw one of these things in the Neah Bay area
near the month of the Straits.  None of the salmon biologist I worked with
had any idea what it is.  If you have any idea where to start looking
e-mail me at SKGMonBI@aol.com.  Thanks Steve Morse 



From iyokota@fox.nstn.ca Sun Sep 24 00:47:32 EDT 1995
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From: iyokota@fox.nstn.ca (Ian R. Yokota)
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I am looking for some information for a friend.
He is looking for any information on "Fish culture"
more specifically: In Fresh water in Canada.

For Trout and whatever other kind of fish may do well.

Info on:
1. Feed. Quantities weight gain for different types.
2. Water flow and quality.
3. Oxygen and Phospate content vs. growth.
4. Temperature vs growth and size of fish.
5. Water volume for number and size of fish.
6. Growth rate vs. Temp/food/Oxygen etc.

Please e-mail me at iyokota@fox.nstn.ca   if you have any info or a
good source for the info.




From Jochen.Weiss@mbox.oci.uni-hannover.de Sun Sep 24 00:47:33 EDT 1995
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From: Jochen.Weiss@mbox.oci.uni-hannover.de (Jochen Weiss)
Subject: Amines in fish (shrimps)?
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Hi Netsurfers,

I have to deal with the following problem:

How does the ratio between volatile and non volatile amines change during
the spoiling of fish, in particular of shrimps?

Any suggestions that are dealing with this  project (literature, ideas how
to get started etc.)  would be highly appreciated. Please send your ideas
to my e-mail-adress. Thanx for your help.
Greetings from Hannover, Germany,

Jochen

*   Jochen Weiss                                                 
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From dhugal@ori.u-tokyo.ac.jp Sun Sep 24 00:47:34 EDT 1995
Article: 763 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: dhugal@ori.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Dhugal J. Lindsay)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Jellyfish or Egg Mass??
Date: 22 Sep 1995 03:34:15 GMT
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In article <43qmkk$2oo@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, skgmonbi@aol.com
(SKGMonBI) wrote:

> WeI were diving last weekend in the Straits of Juan de Fuca west of
Port
> Angeles, Washington.  We saw a two foot long segmented "creature".  The
> segments were about one centimeter long and had a yellow center
surrounded
> by a firm clear (jellyfish looking) material. The body looked like a
> relatively fat snake.   On one end of the mass there was a hammerhead
of
> clear material that was pulsating and moving water out of an opening on
> the bottom of the "head".  I saw one of these things in the Neah Bay
area
> near the month of the Straits.  None of the salmon biologist I worked
with
> had any idea what it is.  If you have any idea where to start looking
> e-mail me at SKGMonBI@aol.com.  Thanks Steve Morse 

Sounds like a siphonophore to me. It's a kind of jellyfish.

-- 
Dhugal J. Lindsay
University of Tokyo.

$BCv=P$k$HJ9$-$7$,9T$-$L$3$NF;$r!!(B-Dhugal
wild boars appear i've heard
but still, This is the road
that I shall take                 -Dhugal


From hallen9725@aol.com Sun Sep 24 00:47:35 EDT 1995
Article: 764 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: hallen9725@aol.com (HAllen9725)
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Subject: Strange fresh-water critters
Date: 21 Sep 1995 23:53:47 -0400
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I am a teacher in Sacramento and have had a strange critter brought in for
me to identify.  I need help!  These fresh water beings were found in Lake
Amador.  They are roughly the size and shape of a beef kidney.  They are
of a firm, gelatinous consistancy not unlike an amphibian egg mass.  They
are somewhat translucent.  It appears that they were "growing" on a twig
or plant matter that runs the length of their long axis.  There are
greenish and dark discolorations in the matter.  I have been pointed to a
fresh water bryozoan but my books fail me.  The only reference I see that
looks promising is in the family Cristaltellidae.  Anyone have an idea of
what they are or perhaps a good newgroup with whom to inquire?


From jeffj@u.washington.edu Sun Sep 24 00:47:36 EDT 1995
Article: 765 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: Jeffrey Jackson <jeffj@u.washington.edu>
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Subject: Salmon immunology
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:24:10 -0700
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I'm a second year grad student in Immunology who's also an avid 
recreational salmon fisherman.  I have a question that combines those 
two interests.  That is:  why do Pacific salmon, when they reenter fresh 
water become infected with all the various nasties that their particular 
home streams have to offer.  I've come up with two explanations, but I 
have problems with both (besides the fact that they're way too simplistic).

1) Upon entering fresh water, Pacific salmon undergo a shutdown of immune 
function.  This could explain how the adults succumb to massive 
infections that they must have successfully resisted as fry.  It also 
makes a bit of sense in that the adults undergo very dramatic physical 
changes as they enter the fresh water - an immune system shutdown might 
be one of those. The problem I have with this one is the tremendous 
selective pressure against this sort of thing.  Fish that wouldn't shut 
down their immune systems would have at least an opportunity to get back to 
the ocean and make it back upstream another year - like Atlantic salmon 
and steelhead.  

2) The trip for the fry is easier than the trip for the adults.  Fry 
literally "go with the flow."  Provided that they don't get eaten or 
chewed up in the turbines of a hydroelectric dam, they make it down the 
river relatively unscathed.  The trip upstream for the adults is a little 
more difficult.  They get dashed up on rocks, cut themselves up, lose their 
slime, and get infected with various things.  The problem I have with 
this one is that ALL the adults die. If it were just a case of getting 
beaten up, you'd expect that one end of the bell curve, by sheer luck 
would make it upriver none the worse for wear and escape. 

So the big questions I need answered:

Are the above ideas completely ludicrous?  
Does immune shutdown occur in the adults? 
Is death the necessary result of the physiological changes that occur 
upon reentry into fresh water and opportunistic infection just a 
sidelight?  
Do the physiological changes that occur happen in landlocked salmon as 
well?  

Enough for now, thanks for reading this far.

Jeff   


From jjoy@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca Sun Sep 24 00:47:37 EDT 1995
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From: John Joy <jjoy@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Squid catches:NW Atlantic
Date: 22 Sep 1995 17:36:23 GMT
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I know! I know!  I think you would have to go somewhere outside of the two 
hundred mile limit but (and this is the tricky part) also where there are 
squid to be caught.  You should be able to get data from them.



From aqsys@inc.net Sun Sep 24 00:47:39 EDT 1995
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From: aqsys@inc.net (Scott Seymour)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Ponds-L Correction
Date: 22 Sep 1995 15:26:41 GMT
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About a week ago I posted a message saying that Ponds-L 
had moved and gave the new address and how to 
subscribe, I made an error in the subscribing 
directions, I had said to send a message to 
listserv@execpc.com with the message 

subscribe ponds-l [your name] example subscribe ponds-l 
John Doe

This is incorrect, when done this way the listserver 
thinks that John Doe is your e-mail address.

The correct way to subscribe to ponds-l is to send an 
e-mail message to listserv@execpc.com with the 
following message

subscribe ponds-l

The name must be left off with the new Majordomo 
software that we are using for this list.

The following people tried to subscribe using this 
incorrect information, and if they are in your group I 
hope they will read this and subscribe again using the 
correct information.

James Beaman
John Diller
Andrew Riseman
K. Gross
Terri Skadeland
Weldon Bona

For those of you that are interested the following is 
the correct information on Ponds-L

Ponds-L: Pond & Lake Management Discussion List

List Title: ponds-l: Pond & Lake Management Discussion 
List
List Owner or Contact: Scott Seymour aqsys@execpc.com

Description:

Ponds-L is an discussion group primarily directed 
towards the layman who owns or lives on a pond or small 
lake and commercial owners of ponds and small lakes.  
Members of the educational & scientific communities and 
pond & lake professionals are welcome to join the list 
in an advisory capacity.

Some of the topics of discussion: (but not limited to)

Weed & Algae Control (chemical - mechanical - 
biological), fishery management, aeration and fountain 
systems, pond & lake restoration, biological 
augmentation, pond & small lake construction, shoreline 
stabilization, nutrient management, watershed issues, 
dredging & sediment removal, wildlife problems (geese, 
muskrats, beavers, otters and blue heron's.) and 
beneficial aquatic vegetation.

This group is for the discussion of pond and lake 
problems, commercial advertising or spams are not 
welcome.  No polite posting that is on subject will be 
rejected.

To subscribe to this list, send e-mail to 
listserv@execpc.com; in the body of the message, type 
subscribe ponds-l



If you are interested in Ponds & Lakes here are the 
names of some other excellent groups that you might 
want to try:

rec.ponds   
A newsgroup that is directed towards the owners of 
decorative & ornamental ponds.  For people that enjoy 
water gardening, Koi, goldfish and other fish as a 
hobby, this group is very informative.

sci.bio.fisheries
A newsgroup that is directed towards aquaculture and 
fishery management on a very scientific and technical 
level.  If you are a serious fish grower or have a 
strong interest in the ecological aspects of the 
fishery around the world this is very good news group 
that might be right for you.. 


Lakes-L 
This is a mail list that deals with a wide variety of 
larger lake issues. Some of the topics that are covered 
are as follows:

Lake Management ideas; analytical tools, hardware and 
procedures related to lake ecology and lakes; all lake 
related biological, geological, and scientific topics. 
Particular emphasis is placed on behavioral, 
evolutionary, paleontological, theoretical, and 
community ecology; including assessment and management 
by applied mathematics, statistics and modeling, 
mathematical GIS, limnology, chemical ecology, etc:

My appologies for the mistake and the waste of extra 
band width.

Scott Seymour



From Politics@usa.com Sun Sep 24 00:47:40 EDT 1995
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From: Politics@usa.com
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Proposed State & Federal Regulations for the INTERNET!
Date: 23 Sep 1995 07:30:33 GMT
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Originator: glasrud@squeaky.free.org

  My name is Scott Glasrud, and I am running for the New Mexico State Senate
during the 1996 elections. One of the reasons I have chosen to run is to combat 
the 
proposed state and federal regulations of the Internet.  As you know, the 
Internet 
was never designed to be regulated!  It was designed to allow communications in
the event of anuclear war or a major catastrophe. I OPPOSE REGULATION, and if 
elected
will fight to preserve your constitutional rights. HOWEVER, I NEED YOUR HELP!

I am asking each person who reeives this message to send $5.00 to the 
Scott Glasrud Campaign Committee.  If we pull together, we CAN protect our first
amendment rights!  HELP ME show the politicians the POWER behind this
important NETWORK.  Please send contributions to:

                                    The Scott Glasrud Campaign Committee
                                    11024 Montgomery Blvd. NE, Suite 179
                                         Albuquerque, New Mexico  87111



Thank you!



From c-kantt@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Sun Sep 24 00:47:41 EDT 1995
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From: c-kantt@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos Alberto Kantt)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries,sci.bio,sci.bio.food-science,sci.bio.misc,sci.chem,sci.chem.analytical
Subject: Re: Amines in fish (shrimps)?
Date: 23 Sep 1995 23:57:05 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Jochen.Weiss@mbox.oci.uni-hannover.de (Jochen Weiss) writes:

>Hi Netsurfers,

>I have to deal with the following problem:

>How does the ratio between volatile and non volatile amines change during
>the spoiling of fish, in particular of shrimps?


One way to measure total amine content would be to use an NH3 sensitive electrode.  Grind the shrimp in  water add a base to generate the base and measure potential, from a calibration curve determine total NH3.  
For volatile amines you can use a distillation procedure using sodium carbonate to generate the base and boling the solution into  boric acid and the titrating (similar to kjeldhal protein determination, but without the digestion step)
I did some work on shrimp preservation and if you need some more information I can try to dig up my old references.

>Any suggestions that are dealing with this  project (literature, ideas how
>to get started etc.)  would be highly appreciated. Please send your ideas
>to my e-mail-adress. Thanx for your help.
>Greetings from Hannover, Germany,

>Jochen

>*   Jochen Weiss                                                 
>***    Institut fuer Organische Chemie der Universitaet Hannover   
>*****     Schneiderberg 1B                                           
>*******      D-30167 Hannover, Germany                                 
>*********       Tel.: +49-511-762-4632     Telefax: +49-511-762-3011     
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos A Kantt                                 E-mail: c-kantt@uiuc.edu
University of Illinois                         TE: (217) 333-9420
Department of Food Science


From jlin@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com Sun Sep 24 00:47:42 EDT 1995
Article: 770 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: jlin@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Neptune)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: River fish biomass survey method ?
Date: 23 Sep 1995 19:07:16 -0700
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We are going to conduct in river freshwater fish biomass study, would like
any suggestion and advise , in regards to instrument and technique that can
be used to collect data of fish size and biomass, in quatitative manner.

The river condition is about 3 meter deep, at 15 meters wide.

Is acoustic instrument useful in this condition ? 

Thanks

James
-- 
John Lin     *** Save the planet, save the world ! ***

e-mail: jlin@kaiwan.com


From london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu Sun Sep 24 00:47:43 EDT 1995
Article: 771 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries,sci.agriculture,alt.agriculture.misc
Subject: career in aquaculture
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 00:45:59 -0400
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>From  pepelep@aol.com  Sat Sep 23 20:39:51 1995
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 12:37:22 -0400
From: pepelep@aol.com
To: sustag-public@ces.ncsu.edu
Newsgrps: sci.bio.fisheries,
          sci.agriculture,
          alt.agriculture.misc
Subject: CAREER IN AQUACULTURE & FISH FARMING WANTED

HELLO... I'M ACTUALLY E-MAILING YOU ON BEHALF OF MY BROTHER... HE DOESN'T
KNOW I'M DOING THIS...

HE IS AN AQUACULTURIST WITH EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE/MASTERS IN PANAEID SHRIMP
TECHNOLOGY AND ORNAMENTAL FISH FARMING...  PRESENTLY NOT VERY SATISFIED
WITH HIS JOB AND HAS MENTIONED HE'D LIKE TO MOVE ON...  BECAUSE HE DOESN'T
HAVE "AOL" AND I DO, AND HAPPENED TO STUMBLE INTO YOUR MESSAGE, I THOUGHT
I'D ASK YOU:  WHAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ME TO RECOMMEND TO HIM IF HE WANTS TO
GET A JOB ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY?  ANYONE HIRING AQUACULTURISTS?




From eschutt@wsunix.wsu.edu Sun Oct  8 00:41:53 EDT 1995
Article: 803 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: Ethan G Schutt <eschutt@wsunix.wsu.edu>
Subject: mathematical models
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Hello my name is Ethan Schutt and I'm a student at Washington State 
University investigating the use of mathematical models in management 
decisions for the Northwest fisheries.  I would appreciate any 
information regarding articles or other publications which address this 
issue.  Also, I would appreciate any personal knowledge anyone might like 
to share.  Thank you.

es


From boaterpete@aol.com Sun Oct  8 00:41:54 EDT 1995
Article: 804 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: boaterpete@aol.com (BoaterPete)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Model Orca as "scare crow"
Date: 2 Oct 1995 02:03:06 -0400
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I am looking for information on the use of full-scale killer whale
replicas  to scare seals away from fish populations.  I understand there
was a project in the British Isles reported on US national news this
spring.

Please e-mail any information to BoaterPete@aol.com

Thank you


From jbrand@unlinfo.unl.edu Sun Oct  8 00:41:55 EDT 1995
Article: 805 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: jbrand@unlinfo.unl.edu (J. I. Brand)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries,sci.bio.microbiology,soc.culture.spain
Subject: Nombres de zooplancton
Date: 2 Oct 1995 13:19:54 GMT
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Acaso sabe alguien el nombre oficial definitivo etc. etc. de los 
siguientes bichitos marinos:  tintinnids, appendiculars, veliger 
gastropod, y calanoid, cyclopoid, y arpactacoid copepods?  Y de paso, 
como diriais "compound light microscope" - o sea, es el microscopio o 
la luz lo que se compone, y se dice "compuesto" (me suena raro)?  Los 
puedo traducir todos a lo bruto, pero me interesaria saber (y usar) 
los terminos de uso comun (comun, con zooplancton?) en lugares donde 
de esas cosas se habla.  Estoy traduciendo un estudio de alimentacion 
de atunes larvales, y se ve que a falta de una buena tortilla eso es 
lo que comen los bichos, pero mas que "buen provecho" no se que decir.

Gracias por adelantado.

Nicolas Webb 


From flurid@gov.on.ca Sun Oct  8 00:41:56 EDT 1995
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From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Studies / Resource material on  Largemouth/Smallmouth Bass
Date: 2 Oct 1995 14:07:56 GMT
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NEWSPHOTO2 wrote on 1 Oct 1995:
: I'm looking for recommendations on one or two good texts which detail all
: aspects of the lifecycle/behavior  of largemouth ( black )  and smallmouth
: bass.  Are there any text books written specificly on this topic?  

: Many thanks,

: newsphoto2@aol.com  ( Chuck )

Some years ago, Dr. Hugh MacCrimmon of the University of Guelph wrote a book
aimed at the non-specialist called "The Black Basses" which deals with the
two large species of sunfish you ask about.  It's a bit dated, now, but the
information it contains is readable and comprehensive.  It's probably worth
a look...

--

Dave Fluri
North Bay, Ontario, Canada


From Frank_A._Stancato@CC:Mail.bms.com Sun Oct  8 00:41:57 EDT 1995
Article: 807 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: "Frank A. Stancato" <Frank_A._Stancato@CC:Mail.bms.com>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Zebra Muscles
Date: 2 Oct 1995 16:38:16 GMT
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Need information on the possiblity of there being a material which
can be used to coat surfaces which Zebra muscles will not adhere
to. In the same vein, if there is a material which they would prefer
over another.

Also if there are any good texts/articules on these pests I would 
appreciate a jumping off place. Am interested with the life cycle.

Thanks in advance,
Frank



From beckage@indy.net Sun Oct  8 00:41:58 EDT 1995
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From: Mike Beckage <beckage@indy.net>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Name The Walrus
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From nna@le.ac.uk Sun Oct  8 00:41:59 EDT 1995
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From: "A.J.Cann" <nna@le.ac.uk>
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Subject: Rainbow Trout in UK
Date: 4 Oct 1995 12:58:24 GMT
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I understand that rainbow trout (sorry, don't know the latin name) don't 
usually spawn naturally in the UK. It's easy to understand why since 
most are stocked in reservoirs, but there are also plenty in rivers 
which are suitable brown trout habitats. I have been told that there are 
recorded instances of rainbow trout spawning in 2 UK rivers. Does anyone 
know:
1) If all this is true?
2) If it is, what are the reasons (if known)?

Dr Alan J. Cann  PhD,   Department of Microbiology & Immunology,
University of Leicester,  P.O. Box 138,  Medical Sciences Building,
University Road, Leicester LE1 9HN,  UK.
Email: nna@le.ac.uk     http://www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/AJC/nna.html




From s892578@ozemail.com.au Sun Oct  8 00:42:00 EDT 1995
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From: JV <s892578@ozemail.com.au>
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Does anyone know of any good sources of information on crayfish rearing,
farming, breeding, as mine are dying like flies.Any references would be much
appreciated.

Thank you 

Justin.


From flurid@gov.on.ca Sun Oct  8 00:42:02 EDT 1995
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Walter wrote on Wed, 04 Oct 1995 13:25:14 -1000:
: A colleague here in Hawaii is wondering if other states in the U.S. (or
: anywhere) have regulations on intentional fishing with dynamite
: (explosives) and what the penalties are for violations.  For example,
: whether it might be a misdemeanor or Class C felony.

In Canada, such action would be a violation of Section 32 of the federal
_Fisheries Act_.  This section prohibits a person, except under authority of
a permit, to kill fish by means other than fishing.  A person guilty of such
an offence is, upon conviction, subject to a fine not to exceed $5 000 or to
imprisonment for a term not to exceed 12 months, or to both.

--

Dave Fluri
North Bay, Ontario, Canada


From jarle-b@gribb.hsr.no Sun Oct  8 00:42:05 EDT 1995
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From: jarle-b@gribb.hsr.no (Berge, Jarle)
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Subject: Crabs and lobsters
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Is there anybody who can tell me if there could exist any www-page or a ftp-
base which contains pictures and information about crabs (or lobsters)?


From dremsen@mbl.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:06 EDT 1995
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From: dremsen@mbl.edu (Nikon)
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The Marine Biological Laboratory in Woods Hole, MA has just made public a
new marine specimens database written for WWW browsers.  This database
works best using netscape 1.1 but has HTML 1.0 layouts as well.  THe
current version of the database covers 205 species of marine vertebrates
and invertebrates. Links to local and remote resources are attached to
each species.

Please feel free to browse this new, visual system. As it is new, we would
appreciate any suggestions or feedback so that we may make it more
accessible and user-friendly.

THe URL is http://www.mbl.edu/html/MRC/specimens.html

Thank you,

David Remsen
Marine Biological Laboratory
Woods Hole, MA


From walteri@pixi.com Sun Oct  8 00:42:07 EDT 1995
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From: walteri@pixi.com (Walter)
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A colleague here in Hawaii is wondering if other states in the U.S. (or
anywhere) have regulations on intentional fishing with dynamite
(explosives) and what the penalties are for violations.  For example,
whether it might be a misdemeanor or Class C felony.

I know it sounds like I'm joking, but I'm not!

-- 
"No matter where you go, there you are."  B. Banzai


From grant.hughes@bio.uio.no Sun Oct  8 00:42:08 EDT 1995
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From: grant.hughes@bio.uio.no (Grant Hughes)
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Subject: Re: Rainbow Trout in UK
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In article <44u0dg$l0a@ipgate.le.ac.uk>, "A.J.Cann" <nna@le.ac.uk> says:
>
>I understand that rainbow trout (sorry, don't know the latin name) don't 
>usually spawn naturally in the UK. It's easy to understand why since 
>most are stocked in reservoirs, but there are also plenty in rivers 
>which are suitable brown trout habitats. I have been told that there are 
>recorded instances of rainbow trout spawning in 2 UK rivers. Does anyone 
>know:
>1) If all this is true?
>2) If it is, what are the reasons (if known)?
>
>Dr Alan J. Cann  PhD,   Department of Microbiology & Immunology,
>University of Leicester,  P.O. Box 138,  Medical Sciences Building,
>University Road, Leicester LE1 9HN,  UK.
>Email: nna@le.ac.uk     http://www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/AJC/nna.html
>
>

Rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss) have been released in many North
Atlantic drainages with little or no subsequent natural 
recruitment.

I recently asked a prominent Norwegian fresh water biologist about the
rainbow trout's lack of success but I didn't get a clear answer.  I don't
think it is generaly known why they do not thrive.  Perhaps they are
more sensitive to acidification (?).  Perhaps they are outcompeted
by established native Salmo species.  There are of course coexisting
populations of brown and rainbow trout in the USA.

I have read that rainbow trout have are relatively eurythermic, that is
they can live in a broader temperature range than other salmonids.

As for instances of spawning, I have heard of only a few isolated
cases in Norway (this goes for brrok trout (Salvelinus fontinalis) too).

Perhaps someone else has some details.

GCH

grant.hughes@bio.uio.no  


From gouldki@ucs.orst.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:09 EDT 1995
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From: Kim Gould <gouldki@ucs.orst.edu>
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Subject: Coho?
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:51:01 -0700
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Does anyone know whether or not Coho salmon are endemic to the 
Willamette River system?   
Any info would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
	kg
gouldki@ucs.orst.edu


From jburnam@ucla.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:10 EDT 1995
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From: Joshua Loren Burnam <jburnam@ucla.edu>
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not only is it inherently illegal to fish with dynamite, I think
you are overlooking the more basic reality that DYNAMITE is illegal!

I don't know about you, but I've never gone to sportmart and found
any next to the hooks.





From myeh@ic.sunysb.edu Sat Nov  4 20:43:02 EST 1995
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From: Michael Yeh <myeh@ic.sunysb.edu>
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	I'm working on a field guide of the Hudson River Estuary (New 
York), and I'm looking for color photographs of various Atlantic Coast 
fishes. I'll also need permission from the owner, since these pictures 
will probably be used for publication. 

	Does anyone know where I can get this information?

				Michael Yeh
				The River Project
				New York


From 76042.2320@CompuServe.COM Sat Nov  4 20:43:12 EST 1995
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From: Steve Amaral <76042.2320@CompuServe.COM>
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>Is there anybody out there ho have done research on pump storages 
>and their effect on the fish community ? Or have you done 
>research on hydropower peaking and the effect on fish? Please 
>contact.
Leif,
A good study on the effects of a pumped storage project on fish 
populations was conducted for a project on the Susquehanna River 
during the 1970's.  The following publication presented the 
results of the study:

Robbins, T. W., and D. Mathur.  1976.  The Muddy Run Pumped 
Storage Project: a case study.  Transactions of the American 
Fisheries Society ?:165 - 172.

Since this study, I am sure several other projects have been 
assessed for ecological impacts.  The U.S. Corps of Engineers have 
probably conducted studies at some of its pumped storage projects, 
namely the Richard B. Russell and Harry S. Truman Projects.  Also, 
with many hydro projects undergoing licensing in the U.S., I am 
sure there have been many published studies that deal with the 
effects of peaking. I suggest you conduct a literature search if 
possible.

Steve Amaral, Fisheries Biologist
Alden Research Laboratory, Inc., 76042.2320@compuserve.com


From lil@ns.statkraft.no Sat Nov  4 20:43:13 EST 1995
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From: lil@ns.statkraft.no (Leif Lillehammer)
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Is there anybody out there ho have done research on
pump storages and their effect on the fish community ?

Or have you done research on hydropower peaking and
the effect on fish ?

Please contact.

________________________
Leif Lillehammer		lil@ns.statkraft.no

Statkraft engineering as	Pho: +47 67577361
Pb. 191, 1322 Høvik, Norway	Fax: +47 67577011  



From fish@nafc.zetnet.co.uk Sat Nov  4 20:43:14 EST 1995
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I would be most obliged if someone in New Zealand or elsewhere who 
could help me obtain a copy of an article which was published in "New 
Zealand Professional Fisherman". I have had no luck getting it in the U.K. 

The article is "Trawl Gear Performance - A Spreading Issue" by R. 
Hurst & N. Bagley, and was published in the October 1992 edition (pp. 34-40).

With thanks in advance,


Ian R. Napier.

-- 
North Atlantic Fisheries College     www: http://www.zetnet.co.uk/nafc
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Scotland  ZE1 0UN                    Fax: +44 (0) 1595 880 549



From lyons@cellt.demon.co.uk Sat Nov  4 20:43:15 EST 1995
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From: lyons@cellt.demon.co.uk (Alan Lyons)
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I am looking for any references to a classification of the rainbow trout
as "parasalmo mykiss". This appears to be a hybrid classification between
the old "salmo gairdneri Rich" and the current oncorhynchus mykiss" which
was used by I.J DeMoor  & M.N. Bruton in a report  for the conservation of
Nature in South Africa  in 1988 entitled "An atlas of alien and
translocated aquatic animals in South Africa".
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From everets@gov.on.ca Sat Nov  4 20:43:16 EST 1995
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I work in community economic development for the Province of Ontario.  
One of my client groups is operating a volunteer fish hatchery.  They are 
looking for hatching jars (I assume you guys know what they mean) for 
walleye.  They are looking for 20 or more.

Anyone out there have any that they would like to give away/sell?  The 
group is creditable and has a good track record.


From johnsoa@gov.on.ca Sat Nov  4 20:43:16 EST 1995
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From: johnsoa@gov.on.ca (Allan Johnson)
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lil@ns.statkraft.no (Leif Lillehammer) writes:
<deleted>

Reply:

The Luddington Pumped storage project on Lake Michigan was studied for 
entrapment and entrainment back in the 1970's.
Pumped storage has the potentially severe impact of entrainment and 
entrapment due to high unnatural current velocity. This can be 
ameliorated by site-specific intake location and design.
Studies have also been done in many places on the impact of peaking 
discharges to downstream fish populations. Some of the impact depends on 
the type of discharge (surface or bottom) which can discharge warm or 
cold water or water low in oxygen (or high in nitrogen) which might be 
detrimental at particular times. Again this is often site-specific.
Badly designed intakes can kill large quantities of valuable game forage 
and commercial fish. eg. before the eel ladder went in on a hydraulic dam 
on the St. Lawrence R., at leat 16 tons of migratory  American eels were 
killed each year.

Feel free to contact: Allan Johnson johnsoa@env.gov.on.ca



From shernan Sat Nov  4 20:43:18 EST 1995
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From: Sergio Hernandez <shernan>
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I am woeking for a Mexican Research Marine Center. We have a serie of 
satellite images from a FURUNO sea surface temperature receiver, but we 
can not access them using PC compatible computer. It does'nt seem to be a 
Mac or DOS format. Does anybody knows about these format images?
Thakyou



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I am seeking information on the anatomy of the peripheral nervous system
of Anguilla sp. Thank you.
cbhath@aol.com


From vm13151 Sat Nov  4 20:43:20 EST 1995
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Hi all,

I am currently researching Marine Pollution for a major report in one of 
my classes.  My interest in this subject is effects that industry has 
placed on the marine environment, habitat as well as commercial vessels.
Just negligence in dumping waste into waterways or into soils near 
waterways.  And where the job trend will go with this, will there be a 
demand for marine biologist to fix or contain this problem, or biologist 
in general.  If anyone as any information regarding this, an article, a 
spot to check out on the internet, or any experience in the research end 
of this please let me know.

BD22581@swt.edu




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From stevek@iphc.washington.edu Sat Nov  4 20:43:22 EST 1995
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From: stevek@iphc.washington.edu (STEVE KAIMMER)
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Your opening quote cites the Audobon society.  In fact, my information 
says that this group opposes your bill.  In fact, the great majority of 
environmental groups oppose your bill.  About the only sponsers you have 
are self-centered sports fishermen who want it all.  I am an avid sport 
fisherman in Puget Sound, and would probably consider and possibly vote 
for a sport-fish priority bill.......but not when it is disquised as a 
conservation measure.  Sorry, but you just don't have what it takes to 
fool enough people.

In article <46sj90$m35@emerald.oz.net>, mikemid@oz.net says...
>
>Tens of thousands of seabirds -- murres, auklets, puffins, murrelets and 
>other diving seabirds -- are in grave danger and desperately  need your 
>help.  The issue is the prevention of the illegal take of seabirds 
through 
>net entanglement in Washington waters.  The proposed solution is 
>initiative I-640 that will appear on the ballot November 7th.  The 
>opponents: Washington’s sizable commercial fishing industry; whose 
members 
>have infiltrated and hold influential positions in our most powerful 
>environmental groups. The dilemma we face: due to the total lack of 
>interest -- almost to the extent of shutting out -- from the media, it 
is 
>nearly impossible to get the information to Washington voters and find 
>allies within politically active environmental organizations. 
>
>    The following information was gleaned from the National Audubon 
>Society “Seabird Entanglement...” fact sheet of June 20, 1994:
>
>--  There are over 2,500 drift nets licensed to fish in Washington’s 
>coastal and inland waters, laying out hundreds of miles of net in 
publicly 
>owned waters during each opener.  Fishermen set and retrieve their nets 
>hundreds of times each season, entangling seabirds in some areas at 
rates 
>averaging as high as one bird per retrieval.
>
>--  Last year’s monitoring documented that when fishermen pulled in 
their 
>nets they had to disentangle and discard from 0-28 drowned birds each 
>time.
>
>--  The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has estimated that between 170 
and 
>1150 marbled murrelets may be drowned each year in Northern Puget Sound 
>(San Juans north to Canada) alone.  Even if the entanglement rate was 
that 
>of 1 murrelet per 100 net hauls, approximately 200 murrelets would be 
>killed per season in Northern Puget Sound.
>
>--  Washington’s common murre breeding population has declined to only 
565 
>birds recorded on our coastal national wildlife refuges in 1993; down 
>from  
>30,000 in 1979.  Chronic yearly kills due to entanglement and drowning 
in 
>drift gill nets could decimate the remaining population in as little as 
>five seasons.
>
>--  The Fishery Observer Program Report dated October 3, 1994 conducted 
>research, funded by the National Marine Fisheries Service, on drift gill 
>net fisheries in the San Juan Islands area of Puget Sound. The goal was 
to 
>determine the nature and extent of endangered seabird interaction with 
>commercial salmon net fishing gear.  The research observed 269 of the 
>4,374 boat trips taken.  Observers counted 195 seabirds entangled in the 
>nets with 188 of the seabirds ending up dead.  If this sample is 
>representative of the total impact of the drift gill net fishery,  in 
just 
>13 days of August, 1994 drift gill nets in the San Juan Island area 
>entangled 5,971 birds.  Over an average 23 day season, with 2,500 
licensed 
>nets set and retrieved only 100 times state wide, a possible 175,000 
>federally protected birds are drowned in Washington waters each year.
>
>    Washington’s gill net fishery boasts one of the most powerful 
lobbies 
>in the state.  As a result, Federal laws protecting endangered seabird 
>populations are overlooked or not enforced.  I-640 addresses this 
>discrepancy by regulating the “by catch”, meaning the non-targeted or 
>unintended fish, shellfish and PROTECTED ANIMALS that are captured or 
>destroyed while fishing.  Simply put, in order for a specific fishing 
>method to be licensed,  it must be demonstrated that 85% of the by catch 
>must be able to be released ALIVE or the method doesn’t get licensed.  
The 
>current drift gill net method of fishing has a 96% seabird mortality 
rate. 
> Following are additional passages from I-640 that directly relate to 
the 
>protection of seabirds:
>
>--  Sec. 1. PURPOSE.  Declare a state policy that will promote 
restoration 
>of the state’s marine and anadromous fish stocks while promoting 
>economically viable fisheries that do not unnecessarily harm fish, 
BIRDS, 
>and other animals not intended for harvest.
>    (3)  Require coordination by the department with federal agencies to 
>minimize potential impacts of fishing on SEABIRDS and other protected 
>animals.
>
>
>--  Sec. 4.  GUIDLINES.  The people authorize and direct the department 
>and the governor of the state of Washington to take the following 
actions:
>    (6)  Consult and coordinate with federal officials to minimize 
>potential impacts of fishing on SEABIRDS and other federally protected 
>species.
>  
>    As you can see, Initiative 640 is not about salmon allocation as the 
>commercial fisheries would have you believe.  Neither is it a ruse for 
the 
>sport fishermen to hog all the fish.  In fact, the only mention of 
>allocation in the document states that the greater consideration about 
>allocation should go to the industry that generates the most money for 
the 
>state of Washington.  If the commercial fishing industry already does 
>that, as they claim to, why do they have a problem with the proposal?  
>They also gain opposition to I-640 by claiming that there aren’t 
>sufficient provisions to restore endangered salmon runs, that we should 
be 
>focusing on finding ways to boost salmon populations by focusing on 
rivers 
>and habitat, not by regulating the catch.  Salmon catch will not be 
>regulated with I-640;  the BY CATCH will.  
>
>    Opponents to I-640 argue that the small time fishermen are singled 
out 
>for destruction.  This claim is far from true.  The methods, not the 
men, 
>are being targeted.  There are alternative methods to drift gill net 
>fishing;  purse seines and reef nets being the most well known.  Drift 
>nets are merely the most convenient method because they demand less 
>attention and offer more free time for the same amount of fish caught 
with 
>the other methods in the same time period.  Simply put, drift gill net 
>fishing is easy money.  The average drift gill netter can make up to 
>$10,000 in a 28 day season (many make less than $5000); virtually all of 
>them have “real jobs” the rest of the year.  I-640 is by no means 
cutting 
>off their livelihood.
>
>    I-640 is not just about declining salmon populations,  it’s about 
>declining SEALIFE populations.  Drift gill nets and draggers often have 
up 
>to 70% of their catch be non-targeted species, over 90% of which are 
dead 
>when thrown overboard.  Thousand foot long drift nets are often lost and 
>become ghost nets, rising and falling from the buoyancy of the bloated 
>bodies of all the hapless creatures that had the misfortune of finding 
>them.  Such nets are long forgotten to the commercial boat that had to 
cut 
>them loose; yet they continue fishing, indiscriminately catching and 
>killing anything that touches them for decades to come.  Draggers can 
cut 
>30 to 60ft swaths 100’s of yards long, from the ecologically fragile sea 
>bottoms.  Divers in the area can always tell where a dragger’s been, 
>because of the  huge expanses of sea bottom, totally devoid of all 
>life-seaweed, algae, shellfish-everything.  Puget Sound’s fragile 
habitats 
>take decades to recover from such destruction; some of it never does.  
>Salmon isn’t the only species in our Washington waters as some would 
have 
>you believe; nor is it the most precious and deserving of protection.  
>Isn’t it about time some of our less glamorous life gets a chance to 
>survive?
>
>    For the past several years, it has been an active part of the 
>commercial fishermen association’s agenda to join and infiltrate the 
>higher ranks of our area’s most powerful environmental groups.  It seems 
>they’ve made considerable progress.  Imagine our amazement when eight of 
>Washington’s largest conservation groups including the Sierra Club and 
>American Rivers came out opposing I-640!  Our amazement gave way to 
>suspicion however, when their reasons for doing so were identical to the 
>commercial fishing industries’ point of view; often to the extent of 
their 
>official statements matching verbatim those of the Northwest Fisheries 
>Association.  Another big surprise was the total lack of response and, 
at 
>times, hostility from most of the major sources of media coverage.  
Could 
>it be because Washington’s commercial fisheries has one of the biggest 
>lobbies in the state?  We desperately need to get our message to 
>Washington’s voters.  Until now, the balance of power has been terribly 
>unfair.  Why is it that the only way for the commercial fisheries to 
>protect their interests is to keep the issues I-640 raises from being 
>heard?  
>
>    The media blockade must be broken down.  Letters to the editors of 
the 
>Seattle Times and P-I in favor of I-640 have been sent almost daily for 
>several months, yet none have been published.  Requests have been made 
>repeatedly to talk radio shows to cover the I-640 discussion, to no 
avail. 
> We have received little or no unbiased TV coverage.  How can this be 
when 
>there are two sides to every argument?  We need everyone to write to the 
>papers and the TV stations; call the radio talk shows.  Demand that the 
>issues be aired and the arguments be made.  The people have a right to 
>hear the facts that inspired the drafting of  I-640. If  this initiative 
>is indeed a solution to what plagues our Puget Sound,  let the voters 
>decide.  
>
>
>                        Signed, 
>                               Richard E. Anderson
>                              30 Year Audubon Member
>
>    For more information or, if you'd like to help our cause, 
>    the # for Save our Sealife is: 1(800)357-3474.  
>    E-mail me for the complete text of the initiative.
>



From langillm@cadvision.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:23 EST 1995
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From: langillm@cadvision.com (Mark Langille)
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longrigger@aol.com (Longrigger) wrote:

>I got an idea, why don't you chart the economic income produced by
>recreational fishermen per pound of tuna (100 bucks) vs average yellowfin
>tuna price sold by Purse Seiners for catfood (45 cents) and then go into a
>long discussion about the economic merits of commercial fishing.
>Longrigger
Why dont you compare other completely different fisheries while you
are at it.  Lets see rec trout fishing ($0 per pound)  to the
commercial scallop($7-10+ per pound) and lobster($3-5+ per pound)
fisheries of Nova Scotia?

I dont want to get into an arguement about what is more important
economically, but the reason for the commercial fishery is as a form
of employement where rec fishing is a for of relaxation.  If you are
getting $100 per pound for rec fishing I think you might consider this
commercial fishing.

By the way the commercial tuna fishery in Nova Scotia sells yellow and
bluefin tuna for $2 - 50+ per pound.  The reason seiners get such a
low price is because the fish is of lower quality.  If the same fish
were caught by rec fishermen I dont think they would be worth any
more.
********************************************
Mark Langille  (langillm@cadvision.com)
Calgary, AB
Canada
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From langillm@cadvision.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:24 EST 1995
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From: langillm@cadvision.com (Mark Langille)
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paulyfish@aol.com (Paulyfish) wrote:

>Hi
>I am recreational angler/writer in NJ
>I would like to find a comm.fisherman that is online and fishes for
>Menhaden (Bunker) in Raritan Bay NJ for Interview...can you help?
>Paul
I have posted your question under the "Information Requested" section
of The Fishing Net.  I will also keep my eye out for any info that can
help.  Hope this helps you.
********************************************
Mark Langille  (langillm@cadvision.com)
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Canada
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From cich9438@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu Sat Nov  4 20:43:25 EST 1995
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From: cich9438@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Thomas Cichosz)
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I am in search of a computer program which will separate fish length 
frequency data into age frequencies.  Most length frequency programs are 
aimed at determining growth rates and paramaters, not at deciphering age 
compositons.

	I am aware of 2 programs written by Dr. Richard Frie in 1986 at 
the University of Minnesota.  They are FREQSTAT and AGECOMP, and are 
designed to do specifically what I need.  If anyone knows where I can 
locate these (or any similar) programs, I would greatly appreciate your 
reply.  

(I have recently been informed that Dr. Frie has passed away and I 
therefore cannot obtain the programs from him.)

Thanks,   Tom Cichosz (cich9438@uidaho.edu)


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Mark Langille <langillm@cadvision.com> wrote:
>longrigger@aol.com (Longrigger) wrote:
>
>>I got an idea, why don't you chart the economic income produced by
>>recreational fishermen per pound of tuna (100 bucks) vs average yellowfin
>>tuna price sold by Purse Seiners for catfood (45 cents) and then go into a
>>long discussion about the economic merits of commercial fishing.
>>Longrigger

>I dont want to get into an arguement about what is more important
>economically, but the reason for the commercial fishery is as a form
>of employement where rec fishing is a for of relaxation.  If you are
>getting $100 per pound for rec fishing I think you might consider this
>commercial fishing.

He's talking about the economic activity generated per pound of fish
killed, not how much it's sold for.  Recreational fishing generates
jobs too - tackle manufacturers, bait resellers, charters, etc.
Puerto Rico did a little math and figured out recreational fishing was
injecting hundreds of dollars per pound of marlin into the local
economy while commercial fishing gave less than $10/lb.  Guess which
fishery they closed.  The only U.S. study I've seen comparing this
type of economic impact was by NMFS and was obviously erroneous
(recreational fishing ended up a *cheaper* way to catch fish than
commercial fishing)

The particular incident he's referring to was the White Dove off
Virginia several years ago.  If I remember correctly, it scooped up
several hundred tons of yellowfin tuna, wiping out the recreational
charter fishery for yellowfin for the year.  The fish were sold for an
average of 45 cents/lb.  From previous years, the income these fish
had provided the affected businesses (charters, tackle, hotels, etc.)
gave a figure around $100/lb.  I don't wish to argue this either, as I
haven't seen where they got these figures.  I'm just posting this as a
FYI.  I don't think the "commercial fishing provides jobs" argument
works.

-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
John H. Kim        "A common mistake that people make when trying to design
jokim@mit.edu       something completely foolproof is to underestimate the
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams


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In article <46sj90$m35@emerald.oz.net>, Mike Middleton <mikemid@oz.net> wrote:
>Tens of thousands of seabirds -- murres, auklets, puffins, murrelets and 
>other diving seabirds -- are in grave danger and desperately  need your 
>help.  The issue is the prevention of the illegal take of seabirds through 
>net entanglement in Washington waters.  The proposed solution is 
>initiative I-640 that will appear on the ballot November 7th.  The 
>opponents: Washington’s sizable commercial fishing industry; whose members 
>have infiltrated and hold influential positions in our most powerful 
>environmental groups. The dilemma we face: due to the total lack of 
>interest -- almost to the extent of shutting out -- from the media, it is 
>nearly impossible to get the information to Washington voters and find 
>allies within politically active environmental organizations. 

HOLD 'ER NEWT.  Lets have a little clarificaiton here.  EIGHT OF THE LARGEST 
CONSERVATION GROUPS IN WASHINGTON, INCLUDING THE SIERRA CLUB AND AMERICAN 
REIVES, OPPOSE I-640. In fact, they helped write the Statement Against this 
initiative in our voter's pamphlet.  This initiative is written by the 
Recreation fishermen and funded by the Columbia River aluminum companies and 
the Bonneville Power interests.  This bill shifts all "blame" to the 
commercial fishermen and does almost nothing about addressing the core 
problems of habitat degredation and loss of spawing environments.

Yes, there are a few birds that are caught in nets.  A FEW.  And there are 
research projects ongoing that are developing escapment mechanisms for 
bycatch.  The inflammatory rhetoric of this post has a lot of smoke an 
mirrors, folks.  As the poster said, PLEASE READ THE INIATIVE.  But then, 
please read the voter's pamplet!

For the record, I have an environmental sciences company and am VP of the 
working board of our local land trust.  I consider myself an activist, 
moderate environmentalist.  
Dale


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In article <476hb5$18j4@cadvision.com> langillm@cadvision.com (Mark Langille) writes:
>From: langillm@cadvision.com (Mark Langille)
>Subject: Re: The Fishing Net - Commercial Fishing Homepage
>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 02:15:28 GMT

>longrigger@aol.com (Longrigger) wrote:

>>I got an idea, why don't you chart the economic income produced by
>>recreational fishermen per pound of tuna (100 bucks) vs average yellowfin
>>tuna price sold by Purse Seiners for catfood (45 cents) and then go into a
>>long discussion about the economic merits of commercial fishing.
>>Longrigger
>Why dont you compare other completely different fisheries while you
>are at it.  Lets see rec trout fishing ($0 per pound)  to the
>commercial scallop($7-10+ per pound) and lobster($3-5+ per pound)
>fisheries of Nova Scotia?
Why don't you check the latest state of affairs in Nova Scotia. I saw a news 
report a few months ago on this. The fishermen are in dire straits and boats 
are rotting at anchor. The reason? Commercial fishermen did what they do 
best. They had depleted the fish stocks completely and there was nothing 
left to catch! No surprise to me. I have seen gillnets loaded with barracuda 
that have no commercial value. The result? Several square miles of floating 
bycatch. It was disgusting.

>By the way the commercial tuna fishery in Nova Scotia sells yellow and
>bluefin tuna for $2 - 50+ per pound.  The reason seiners get such a
>low price is because the fish is of lower quality.  If the same fish
>were caught by rec fishermen I dont think they would be worth any
>more.
You are exposing your ignorance. Yellowfin tuna is delicious. I eat it sashimi 
style as long as I can keep it fresh. The rest is great on the grill. Its a 
real bummer to see a purse seiner take thousands of fish while I only want two
or three to eat. 
>********************************************
>Mark Langille  
(langillm@cadvision.com)>Calgary, AB
>Canada
>********************************************




From jhansen@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us Sat Nov  4 20:43:29 EST 1995
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From: jhansen@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us (John Hansen)
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I am a high school student in a phys. sci. class at Mt. Shasta High in No.
CA.  I am attempting to determine whether or not the temp. of water a fish
swims in influences the fishes respiritory rate?  In all the research I
have done so far  I have not come across any definitive answer yet.  Can
you assist me?  Thanks in advance.  Write me
<jnurmi@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us>


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All forgeries:

Send your complaints to:  <postmaster@kjl.com>

This is what I wrote:
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I draw your attention to the following post made by your user 
<krazykev@kjl.com>.

This post is blantantly commercial and was made to a
non-commercial newsgroup, sci.bio.fisheries. It is completely
off-topic since sci.bio.fisheries concerns itself solely with
fisheries and not with magazine subscriptions.

You will also note that it was prolificaly cross-posted to many other
newsgroups for which it is also off-topic.

I trust you will take appropriate disciplinary action and that you will
inform me as to the results of this.
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Christopher Majka

--
Christopher Majka  --  Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Internet: <nextug@ac.dal.ca> & <aa051@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Home Page: URL = http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~aa051/Profile.html



From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:30 EST 1995
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Grant

I recall having a few beers over this topic with an old fish Biologist 
at Dalhousie University, just wish I could remember more details. There 
certainly should be sci. papers around about mortality rates due to 
angling. There has been interest and discussion over over-playing fish 
and their survival rate, imagine running 400 meters flat out the 
sticking your head in water for a minute. About the same for fish. 
"Natural" sellection may favour those who better oxygen capacity.

Sorry not to be much help, I'll try to remember to bring the subject up 
at our weekly Biobeer social in the biology deparment.

Regards    Lawrence




From mchris@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Sat Nov  4 20:43:31 EST 1995
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From: mchris@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (Mike Christensen ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT)
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John Hansen (jhansen@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us) wrote:
: I am a high school student in a phys. sci. class at Mt. Shasta High in No.
: CA.  I am attempting to determine whether or not the temp. of water a fish
: swims in influences the fishes respiritory rate?  In all the research I
: have done so far  I have not come across any definitive answer yet.  Can
: you assist me?  Thanks in advance.  Write me
: <jnurmi@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us>

Check out the following reference, it gives an equation for channel 
catfish respiration as a funtion of body weight and temperature.

Boyd, CE, RP Romaire, and E Johnston. 1978. Predicting early morning 
dissolved oxygen concentration in channel catfish ponds. Transactions of 
the American Fisheries Society, 107:484-492.

Mike Christensen



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From: limit@ix.netcom.com (James Davis )
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In <47692n$5s3@nntp5.u.washington.edu> stevek@iphc.washington.edu
(STEVE KAIMMER) writes: 
>
>Your opening quote cites the Audobon society.  In fact, my information

>says that this group opposes your bill.  In fact, the great majority
of 
>environmental groups oppose your bill.  About the only sponsers you
have 
>are self-centered sports fishermen who want it all.  I am an avid
sport 
>fisherman in Puget Sound, and would probably consider and possibly
vote 
>for a sport-fish priority bill.......but not when it is disquised as a

>conservation measure.  Sorry, but you just don't have what it takes to

>fool enough people.
Limit@ix.netcom.com responds:
The only people that have been fooled so far are you and a few really
stupid commercial fisherpeople.

If anything, I-640 backers have been too honest and open. The anti-640
TV spots are pure fabrication. They talk like rape of the environment
is a birthright! = family fishing.

Find a commercial gillnetter working the US side of the Great Lakes.
ZIP, NADA, NONE! Why? They raped the lakes. They could not be trusted
with the resource. The lakes have recovered somewhat. They support a
tourist industry many times larger than a commercial fishery. I was
named after one of those gillnetters. Where is my family fishing? They
pissed it away in a race to kill the last fish for a buck. The point of
a citizens initiative is that GOVERNMENT is NOT doing it's job. Yes,
640 is a very broad initiative that deals with many facets of the
problem. Including WASTE and resource abuse. Drowning endangered
seabirds is just part of the problem. Enforcement of the Migratory bird
act will scratch that itch...IF Goverment was doing the JOB!!!! If Adam
Smith had his way, the market would automatically allocate Coho and
Chinook to Sports catch - and tourists would pay (and do) big bucks to
catch them. And commercial fisherpeople would be falling all over
themselves to convert to sportfishing. Alas, the Government intervenes
to set allocations. (They should be in the business of setting
limits!!!!) and the Soviet Union (former!!!!!!!) is a great example of
just how efficient a government can be at setting allocation. Yes 640
addresses allocation. It is hardly hidden - just less than well
understood in the face of the 20,000 job/$250M LIE! What a joke. Your
point about Audubon being anti 640 is WRONG. The WA Audubon Society is
fence sitting. They will regret this. The Black Hills Audubon Society
is anti, The president there is a gillnetter - amazing! Many of the
anti-640 Environmental groups have made a poor deal. They have a wild
fish agenda and or they feel habitat is underaddressed by 640. Gillnets
make for very poor habitat. There are many laws concerning habitat that
are unenforced in WA - King Co. Hydraulic Code is a joke! Where should
we stop, heck lets just have I-640 fix the whole world....It will save
sealife and create more jobs than it eliminates. That is the bottom
line.
>
>In article <46sj90$m35@emerald.oz.net>, mikemid@oz.net says...
>>Posted many times!!!!
snip....JD

>
>>    For more information or, if you'd like to help our cause, 
>>    the # for Save our Sealife is: 1(800)357-3474.  
>>
>>
>



From branstettr@aol.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:33 EST 1995
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In article <478qa6$a6a@tuna.mit.edu>, jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim)
writes:

>He's talking about the economic activity generated per pound of fish
>killed, not how much it's sold for.  Recreational fishing generates
>jobs too - tackle manufacturers, bait resellers, charters, etc.

However, in this case, the entire infra-structure of the recreational
catch and cost was evaluated (hotels, restaurants, airline tickets, night
life, etc.)  whereas the commercial economics included only the ex-vessel
price of the fish.  

I do not doubt that the dollar per pound for this type of activity is
greater; a recreational fisher on a vacation is going to drop dollars into
the local economy, whereas a commercial fisher is trying to limit his
expenses.

On the other hand, this hundreds of dollars per fish recreational vs. a
few dollars per fish commercial is just as biased.  How about the money
flow generated by the commercial fisher?  ice for the boat, boat repair,
groceries, fuel, local housing, insurance, car sales, etc.  These also
create an infrastructure of jobs and sales that boost local economies.  


> The only U.S. study I've seen comparing this
>type of economic impact was by NMFS and was obviously erroneous
>(recreational fishing ended up a *cheaper* way to catch fish than
>commercial fishing)

Oh, because it came out that recreational wasn't the "best" it must be an
erroneous survey?  That sounds much like the often heard comment that
landings data indicating the greater impact of recreational catch on
stocks than commercial catch are erroneous because of the survey
technique.  (I recently posted a note on landings by recreational vs
commercial on another newsgroup, noting that recreational catches far
exceeded commercial catches for most popular fish species, and the major
comment that came back was "well, we know how poor the recreational
estimates are; I'm sure they're wrong!"  Yes, they probably were wrong;
they probably underestimated the actual catch.

In most fisheries, recreational catch is much larger than commercial catch
simply because of the regulatory regimes (bag limits vs quotas).  Although
a bag limit is a technique used to produce a total allowable catch (TAC),
it depends on an estimate of effort.  It is impossible to accurate predict
how many recreational fishermen will catch fish thus a bag limit may
exceed the TAC goal.  On the other hand, the commercial quota is filled,
and the fishery closed; there is a much greater level of control here.

Back to the point, considering the above comments, that recreational was
less important it might not be accurate, but it may not be that far off.  

Steve Branstetter


From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:34 EST 1995
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Hello

Fall is here and Atlantic Torpedos should be around. This is the largest 
electric skate and I have actually met one underwater, a 5'6" monster. I 
would like to know more about the fish and would appreciate more info on 
this species, or skates in general. I know skates are not well studied, 
but any info, anecdotes, experiences would be greatly appreciated. I 
live in Nova Scotia, Canada, and hope to film these critters within the 
next month. They seem to like the drop in water temp.

Regards     Lawrence Taylor

e-mail: biodiver@loki.atcon.com




From halg@adfg.state.ak.us Sat Nov  4 20:43:35 EST 1995
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longrigger@aol.com (Longrigger) wrote:

>I got an idea, why don't you chart the economic income produced by
>recreational fishermen per pound of tuna (100 bucks) vs average yellowfin
>tuna price sold by Purse Seiners for catfood (45 cents) and then go into a
>long discussion about the economic merits of commercial fishing.
>Longrigger
Assuming your figures are correct, why do you think the COST of
catching a pound of tuna ($100) in the sport fishery should be should
be compared to the REVENUE ($0.45) in a commercial fishery?  This
would only lead to a muddled discussion about the economic merits of
either fishery.  
                                                            ---Hal   



From pezmen@gate.net Sat Nov  4 20:43:35 EST 1995
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From: pezmen@gate.net (Hector Cruz-Lopez)
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In article <451k05$s95@newsbf02.news.aol.com> rich2442@aol.com (Rich2442) writes:
>From: rich2442@aol.com (Rich2442)
>Subject: Info on Striped Bass
>Date: 5 Oct 1995 17:51:01 -0400

>I'm trying to obtain info on striped bass for a research paper.  I am
>particularly interested in migratory patterns of striped bass.  Any info
>please send to 
>rich2442@aol.com

>                    Thanks in Advance

Search the literature for Waldman et al. and/or Wirgin et al.  They have 
published extensively in the population genetics of striped bass as it concern 
native and migratory stocks along the eastern coast of USA.

che cruz-lopez
fisheries genetics research lab
boca raton, fl



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From: pezmen@gate.net (Hector Cruz-Lopez)
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In article <46q5tq$a2m@hermod.uio.no> grant.hughes@bio.uio.no (Grant Hughes) writes:
>From: grant.hughes@bio.uio.no (Grant Hughes)
>Subject: Natural selection by anglers
>Date: 27 Oct 1995 08:40:26 GMT

>Recently, I asked myself a question.  To what extent does angling select
>naturally occuring fish populations?  In some rivers, high percentages of
>certain age-class mortality is due solely to sport-fishing.  As fishing 
>pressure increases we might expect to see stronger natural selection 
>towards those fish that can avoid the fish hook and then survive to spawn.

>Has this question been studied?  Can anyone cite any references?  Have 
>sport fish become 'smarter'?

>Just wondering.  I'm desperately trying to blame my recent lack of fishing
>success on anything other than my lack of skill!

>GCH
>grant.hughes@bio.uio.no

Ever heard of the term Genetic Overfishing?  I believe Busack published a few 
papers about this.  It seems obvious that trophy fish (and their genomes) are 
being selected against.

che cruz-lopez
fisheries genetics research lab
boca raton, fl


From cevans@nmsu.edu Sat Nov  4 20:43:37 EST 1995
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From: cevans@nmsu.edu (Carol Ann Evans)
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Two recient Wildlife/ Fisheries biologists looking at a position in 
Riparian assessment in Yakima along the Columbia river. Please send any 
information you can to cevans@nmsu.edu  nbarnett@nmsu.edu  What type of 
problems are involved there right now. Especially interested in the ORISE 
program.


From mikemid@oz.net Sat Nov  4 20:43:38 EST 1995
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From: Mike Middleton <mikemid@oz.net>
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dbonar@olympus.net (Dale B. Bonar) wrote:

>Yes, there are a few birds that are caught in nets.  A FEW. 

   When you say FEW what do you mean?  A few per net haul?  With 2,500 
licensed drift gill net fishers setting and retrieving their nets an 
average of 100 times in a season, that would add up to 750,000 entangled 
birds.  How about a few per day?  Let's see... in a 28 day season that 
would mean only 210,000 drowned birds.  Maybe you mean a few per season?  
Well then, only a paltry 7,500 federally protected seabirds are 
slaughtered yearly.  In all actuality, up to .698 birds are killed per net 
haul, roughly one every other haul or approximately 174,500. Any way you 
add it up the figures are unacceptable.

                       
                             Jill Middleton



From bnjquint@uscmail.usc.es Sat Nov  4 20:43:39 EST 1995
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From: Javier Quintero Vazquez <bnjquint@uscmail.usc.es>
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Hello

We are working in genetic analysis of differents species and populations
of tuna using DNA sequence analysis of mitochondrial DNA.
To complete our data we need to investigate samples from differents
localizations in all oceans, then we are looking for people interested
in this kind of work and with possibility to help in the sampling works
(weight of samples: 0.2-2 grams).
If you are interested and/or to receive more information and details,
please contact with me. 
Thanks in advance

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                      Dept. of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
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From Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk Sat Nov  4 20:43:40 EST 1995
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In article <47c6ru$1of@emerald.oz.net> mikemid@oz.net "Mike Middleton" writes:

> dbonar@olympus.net (Dale B. Bonar) wrote:
> 
> >Yes, there are a few birds that are caught in nets.  A FEW. 
> 
>    When you say FEW what do you mean?  A few per net haul?  With 2,500 
> licensed drift gill net fishers setting and retrieving their nets an 
> average of 100 times in a season, that would add up to 750,000 entangled 
> birds.  How about a few per day?  Let's see... in a 28 day season that 
> would mean only 210,000 drowned birds.  Maybe you mean a few per season?  
> Well then, only a paltry 7,500 federally protected seabirds are 
> slaughtered yearly.  In all actuality, up to .698 birds are killed per net 
> haul, roughly one every other haul or approximately 174,500. Any way you 
> add it up the figures are unacceptable.
> 
Right, you've identified a problem. Let's look for some solutions.
Is there some way of diverting the birds away from the nets. Some
sort of scaring device incorporated into the dahns or floats, perhaps.

Has anyone done any research on this?

Roger


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Hal Geiger (halg@adfg.state.ak.us) wrote:
: longrigger@aol.com (Longrigger) wrote:

: >I got an idea, why don't you chart the economic income produced by
: >recreational fishermen per pound of tuna (100 bucks) vs average yellowfin
: >tuna price sold by Purse Seiners for catfood (45 cents) and then go into a
: >long discussion about the economic merits of commercial fishing.
: >Longrigger
: Assuming your figures are correct, why do you think the COST of
: catching a pound of tuna ($100) in the sport fishery should be should
: be compared to the REVENUE ($0.45) in a commercial fishery?  This
: would only lead to a muddled discussion about the economic merits of
: either fishery.  
:                                                             ---Hal   
Because, assuming that the fish is not being sold at a loss, the revenue
is the highest dollar figure available to be used for economic impact.
If you just used what was spent to catch the fish and no one was going
broke in the process, it would be less than the revenue.

Keith



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In article <476hb5$18j4@cadvision.com>,
   langillm@cadvision.com (Mark Langille) wrote:
>longrigger@aol.com (Longrigger) wrote:
>
>>I got an idea, why don't you chart the economic income 
produced by
>>recreational fishermen per pound of tuna (100 bucks) vs 
average yellowfin
>>tuna price sold by Purse Seiners for catfood (45 cents) 
and then go into a
>>long discussion about the economic merits of commercial 
fishing.
>>Longrigger
>Why dont you compare other completely different fisheries 
while you
>are at it.  Lets see rec trout fishing ($0 per pound)  to 
the
>commercial scallop($7-10+ per pound) and lobster($3-5+ per 
pound)
>fisheries of Nova Scotia?
>
>I dont want to get into an arguement about what is more 
important
>economically, but the reason for the commercial fishery is 
as a form
>of employement where rec fishing is a for of relaxation.  
If you are
>getting $100 per pound for rec fishing I think you might 
consider this
>commercial fishing.
>
>By the way the commercial tuna fishery in Nova Scotia sells 
yellow and
>bluefin tuna for $2 - 50+ per pound.  The reason seiners 
get such a
>low price is because the fish is of lower quality.  If the 
same fish
>were caught by rec fishermen I dont think they would be 
worth any
>more.
>********************************************
>Mark Langille  (langillm@cadvision.com)
>Calgary, AB
>Canada
>********************************************
>

============================================================
	What Mark is saying, I believe, is that the tuna 
*COSTS* him $100 per pound, this money going into the local 
economy in many ways.  He's not selling it.  
	I know that the kingfish that I catch here on the 
Texas Gulf Coast, when all the costs are factored in (boat, 
fuel, bait, tackle, beer, flowers for my bride, etc.), 
probably cost me in the same $100/lb. range.  But hey!  I'm 
doing this for FUN, and everyone knows that "it ain't cheap 
having fun!"
	
	Dave
============================================================


From ron.webb@pixie.co.za Sat Nov  4 20:43:42 EST 1995
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From: ron.webb@pixie.co.za (Ron Webb)
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Hi,

Our Bassmasters club has recently acquired the fishing rights to a 3 
acre pond.  Besides the weed problems which we've got to sort out, we 
have no idea on the ideal stocking density fro largemouth bass and 
suitable fodder fish.  Unlike the US, we do not have any State or 
federal agencies to turn to for advice.  Any suggestions will be 
appreciated.

Thanks

Ron Webb


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From hauserl@trg.saic.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:44 EST 1995
Article: 953 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 10:55:15 -0800
From: hauserl@trg.saic.com (Larry Hauser)
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Subject: Uses for Excess Sea Mussels from Aquafarm?
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Hello,
     I have a friend who has an aquafarm in Southern California.  This
farm cultivates sea mussels (Mytilus edulis, galloprovincialis), which are
being farmed for food purposes.  These mussels are a very rich source of
protein.  The farm currently has an overabandance of live mussels, shell,
and tissue;  my friend is looking for ideas and potential uses for this
protein, as an alternative to dumping and waste.  Any thoughts out there?
     You can reply to me by email, or telephone my friend directly: John
Davis at Carlsbad Aquafarm, (619) 438-2444.
     Thanks for your attention and ideas!
          Larry

-- 
Lawrence E. Hauser                               hauserl@trg.saic.com
               ...we are through for the present...


From mikemid@oz.net Sat Nov  4 20:43:45 EST 1995
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From: Mike Middleton <mikemid@oz.net>
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Roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <47c6ru$1of@emerald.oz.net> mikemid@oz.net "Mike Middleton" writes:

>Right, you've identified a problem. Let's look for some solutions.
>Is there some way of diverting the birds away from the nets. Some
>sort of scaring device incorporated into the dahns or floats, perhaps.
>
>Has anyone done any research on this?
>
>Roger

   The majority of birds that get entangled are the diving birds.  The 
most susceptible of these divers are the alcids, including common murres, 
rhinoceros auklets, tufted puffins and the threatened marbled murrelet.  
Some dive as deep as 600ft in pursuit of small fish.  How can you develop 
an aversion device that is effective from 600ft away and under water as 
well?  Excluder devices wouldn't work either because of the invisible 
nature of the drift net and the fact that it's often over a mile long. 
It's not just the birds, what about the unintended fish that are caught?
Drift nets kill EVERYTHING.
  During a test study off of the Kitsap Peninsula in recent years 70% of 
the drift gill netters catch was non-targeted species!  That's right, for 
every pound of salmon that went in the hold, 7 pounds of other fish and 
wildlife were thrown overboard dead (out of season species of salmon 
included).  How much longer can our ecosystem stand this?  Long enough to 
do research to save the birds?  What about everything else?  It's not like 
there aren't alternatives to drift net fishing.  Purse seines and reef 
nets already exist and are licensed in Washington.  When used properly, 
thay have almost no bycatch mortality rate.  The drift gill net fishers 
are fighting having to change their gear.  If modified gear is invented 
eventually they will have to change anyway.  Why not now, before millions 
of more lives are needlessly wasted? 

                              Jill Middleton   




From redlich@zoo.toronto.edu Sat Nov  4 20:43:46 EST 1995
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From: redlich@zoo.toronto.edu (Mark Redlich)
Subject: Re: Natural Selection by Anglers.
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I have a passing comment on this question.  I am presently a 2nd year Ma
ter's student.  I submitted a grant proposal to study this exact topic.
However, I was refused very quickly.  It is possible that my grant 
writting skills were somewhat lacking then but I sure thought that it 
was an interesting topic.  

How can you not have some selection pressure by anglers around urban
centres.  Just visit your nearest larger river during the fall salmon
run to observe that pressure.  I have seen it all to often around 
Toronto.

This topic still interests me but I have a feeling that getting money 
to research it will always be a problem.  The government doesn't want
to know how it is altering the resource.  Remember that phrase
"sustainable development"??  We do indeed affect the resource!

I have seen little to no research done on this, sorry.

						Mark Redlich
						redlich@zoo.utoronto.ca


From mbv@ti.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:46 EST 1995
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If you are considering employment of commercial fisherman as a factor
in this discussion, consider that hook and pole fishing for tuna or other
species would result in more jobs than purse seins, drag nets, roller nets,
or other highly efficient methods. Do you want to kill fish or provide
employment?

Just a thought. Ken



From tad@sdc.cs.boeing.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:51 EST 1995
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From: tad@sdc.cs.boeing.com (Tom Drews)
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In article <46ltc1$mla@java.state.ak.us> halg@adfg.state.ak.us (Hal Geiger) writes:
 
 [... stuff deleted ...]

>decrease in size is presumably a responce to density.  In your post
>you mention an "over-production" from the hatcheries and "the old
>production numbers."  Don't you think population size and growth are
>in dynamic equlibrium, and there is no CORRECT populations size that
>the ocean or salmon want?  

I agree with that statement in principle, but it is possible that the salmon
(and fishery managers trying to manage them) may care.  The question is
whether or not the decrease in size decreases the salmon's fitness.  Does
it reduce their fecundity?  Does it reduce their chances of sucessfully
spawning?  I agree with you that the ocean food chain is able to support
more or less a given amount of salmonid biomass.  I just wonder if it is
better for the long term to have fewer big salmon or lots of smaller ones.

By the way, I got another private response to my earlier post from Tim in
Oregon (forgot the last name, but he's tfish@teleport.com).  He has seen
data showing an increase in upwelling and nutrient levels off the coast.  
The thought is that since salmon put on much of their growth in the last
part of their ocean cruise, that the fish returning this year were larger
due to the increased feed this year.  In Puget Sound we have been seeing
more bait than I can remember in years.  Just a thought...

Tom Drews
Building the BETTER airplane so I can fish more often.


From jason@ccnet.com Sat Nov  4 20:43:53 EST 1995
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In article <DH78st.Cz3@cunews.carleton.ca>, dreynold@chat.carleton.ca
(Derek Reynolds) wrote:

> I'm looking for anyone who has or is attending California State
> University at Monterey Bay.  I'm thinking of transfering there to
> study in their marine science program and am looking for any helpful
> hints or tips about Monterey Bay.
> 
Check out their web page at www.monterey.edu


From Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk Wed Nov  8 09:47:28 EST 1995
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From: Roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk>
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In article <47dqbp$rq7@emerald.oz.net> mikemid@oz.net "Mike Middleton" writes:

> Roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <47c6ru$1of@emerald.oz.net> mikemid@oz.net "Mike Middleton" writes:
> > 
>    The majority of birds that get entangled are the diving birds.  The 
> most susceptible of these divers are the alcids, including common murres, 
> rhinoceros auklets, tufted puffins and the threatened marbled murrelet.  
> Some dive as deep as 600ft in pursuit of small fish.  How can you develop 
> an aversion device that is effective from 600ft away and under water as 
> well?  Excluder devices wouldn't work either because of the invisible 
> nature of the drift net and the fact that it's often over a mile long. 
> It's not just the birds, what about the unintended fish that are caught?
> Drift nets kill EVERYTHING.

Aren't there restrictions on mesh size?

Certain types of drift net fishing are already banned or soon will be. In 
Europe, there is at least the possibility of a selective subsidy or 
compensation. I don't know about the US.

> During a test study off of the Kitsap Peninsula in recent years 70% of 
> the drift gill netters catch was non-targeted species!  That's right, for 
> every pound of salmon that went in the hold, 7 pounds of other fish and 
> wildlife were thrown overboard dead (out of season species of salmon 
> included).  How much longer can our ecosystem stand this?  Long enough to 
> do research to save the birds?  What about everything else?  It's not like 
> there aren't alternatives to drift net fishing.  Purse seines and reef 
> nets already exist and are licensed in Washington.

Everyone agrees that by catches are a waste of resources.

So get the Government to intervene by providing fishermen with assistance
to change their methods. If you simply propose that someone has to be 
unemployed because of what they see as a few seabirds, then you aren't
going to win many supporters. If you provide grants, retraining and
explanations, then you may find that people will respond. I suspect that
this isn't 'The American Way', though.

> When used properly, 
> thay have almost no bycatch mortality rate.  The drift gill net fishers 
> are fighting having to change their gear.  If modified gear is invented 
> eventually they will have to change anyway.  Why not now, before millions 
> of more lives are needlessly wasted? 

My boat is really best suited for pots.  I can use drift nets (but don't)
and trammel nets. Other than fish traps, which I know nothing about,
what alternatives have I?


From ruth.eric@infoboard.be Wed Nov  8 09:47:29 EST 1995
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Who can help me to find information on the dourado.
It's a fish often mistaken for a dolphin but has 
no blow-hole and his tail is vertical.  I also
read that it lives in tropical waters. 
Do you have the scientific name or the correct
spelling of its name?
Any suggestions, ideas? Anything would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.
Ruth.



From marisas@umich.edu Wed Nov  8 09:47:30 EST 1995
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From: Marisa Sifontes <marisas@umich.edu>
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Subject: Re: Impact of Aquaculture on environment.
Date: 5 Nov 1995 02:05:43 GMT
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Hi!  I am looking for general aquaculture/fisheries info on the 
Internet.  Could you shed some light as to what is out there?  Please 
e-mail.  Thanks. 

Marisa




From jhansen@snowcrest.net Wed Nov  8 09:47:31 EST 1995
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From: jhansen@snowcrest.net (John Hansen)
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I am a physics/physical science teacher and would like to create a final
exam that involves the Internet.  Specifically, I would like to be able to
find numerous scientific data bases that have been posted on the Net.  For
example, I found a data base that involved ice core drilling from Vostok
Antarctica last year.  I had my physics class graph one of the data bases
and we ended up having a picture of the climate of Earth over the last
160,000 years.  From the data we saw patterns of temperature rise and fall
over this time period.  
Using the data  found on the net I would assign students to find the data
base, download the data base and graph the data.  After this was done I
would have the student work backwards to establish a suitable hypothesis
based upon any patterns that emerged from the data.  Eventually the
students would work backwards still and do the necessary background
research to support their stated hypothesis.   This entire exercise would
be a wonderful way to have the students prove their abilities to take
data, make sense of the data and do research.  
What I am asking from you is any places on the net where I can bookmark to
find actual, real, scientific data.   I am not picky as long as the data
was collected by scientists doing research.  If you can help would you
please send to me the location (URL address) on the net of where I can
find the data.  If you aren't exactly sure of the address perhaps you can
at least point me in the general direction and I will find the data base
>from  there.  
I appreciate your time and assistance.  Thank you.
John Hansen,    jhansen@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us or jhansen@snowcrest.net


From ez050581@peseta.ucdavis.edu Wed Nov  8 09:47:32 EST 1995
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From: Peter Unmack <ez050581@peseta.ucdavis.edu>
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Subject: New Aussie Desert Fishes WWW Pages
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G'day Fishheads

I have just set up a web page on Australian Desert Fishes, it contains 
info relating to all aspects of Oz desert fish.  There are colour photos 
of most species (44 are featured), as well as a bunch of habitat shots.  
The pages are still being modified a little, thus there will be some minor 
changes and additions over time.  I would appreciate it if folk would 
have a look and offer suggestions of any nature that they think would 
improve it.  The address is 
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/tnhc/.www/fish/dfc/australi/index.html
There are no present links to these pages from anywhere else.  They will 
be established soon from the Desert Fishes Council home page (one 
directory step back from australi in the address above).

Hooroo

Peter J. Unmack  springfish@mail.utexas.edu  or  pjunmack@ucdavis.edu
c/o Dean A. Hendrickson
Texas Natural History Collection R4000
University of Texas 
Austin, TX 78712-1100, U.S.A.
---------------------------------------------------------------
DESERT FISHES RULE: To boldly thrive where no other fish can make it!





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OK, Men!

For a definative analysis of what's happening in the commercial
fishing industry (excluding BassMaster tournaments,) read the November
issue of National Geographic. If their report doesn't open your eyes
nothing will...

cw

--
Who is wise? He who learns from everyone.



From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Wed Nov  8 09:47:33 EST 1995
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Subject: Re: Temp. vs. resp rate of fish question
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As temp increases, dissolved oxygen decreases. Whether fish respond by 
increasing resp. rate likely varies with species (look at the difference 
between trout and catfish and their range of tolerance). A good person I 
can think of who might be able to help is Dr. Tom Miyuake (e-mail: 
tmoyake@is.dal.ca). I'll inform him that your might e-mail and would be 
interested in knowing what his response is. If you can't get his e-mail 
to work, write me back.

Best of Luck     Lawrence Taylor




From fritzf%fishgame@state.ak.us Wed Nov  8 09:47:34 EST 1995
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From: Fritz Funk <fritzf%fishgame@state.ak.us>
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(Grant Hughes) writes:
 
> >Recently, I asked myself a question.  To what extent does 
angling select
> >naturally occuring fish populations?  In some rivers, high 
percentages of
> >certain age-class mortality is due solely to sport-fishing.  
As fishing
> >pressure increases we might expect to see stronger natural 
selection
> >towards those fish that can avoid the fish hook and then 
survive to spawn.
> 
> >Has this question been studied?  Can anyone cite any 
references?  Have
> >sport fish become 'smarter'?

There's been quite a bit of work on this topic, although the 
ramifications are not very often considered in 
management. Policansky (1993) has an excellent review of fishing 
effects on evolution of fish and would be a good place to start.

Policansky,D. 1993 Evolution and management of exploited fish 
populations. pp 651-664 in: Proceedings of the international 
symposium on management strategies for exploited fish 
populations. AK-SG-92-02, Alaska Sea Grant College Program, 
Fairbanks.

-- 
Fritz Funk, Biometrician - Statewide Herring
Alaska Department of Fish and Game
Commercial Fisheries Management and Development Division
P.O. Box 25526, Juneau, Alaska 99802-5526, USA
Email: fritzf%fishgame@state.ak.us
fax: (907) 465-2604


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In article <478qa6$a6a@tuna.mit.edu> jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
>
>He's talking about the economic activity generated per pound of fish
>killed, not how much it's sold for.  Recreational fishing generates
>jobs too - tackle manufacturers, bait resellers, charters, etc.
>

 Well, that's part of the point: the numbers are manipulated.  Anything that
 may even remotely connect with recreational fishing costs are thrown in to
 calculate "cost per pound" for rereational fishing.  This is then compared to
 cost per pound at the dock paid to a commercial fisherman, i.e., "how much
 it is sold for."  In the former case, the value of the entire infrastructure
 ans support costs are thrown in - no matter how applicable they may be - 
 while in the latter only the cost of the raw goods is included.  


 greg pavlov
 pavlov@fstrf.org


From nlowry@inet.uni-c.dk Wed Nov  8 09:47:36 EST 1995
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ruth.eric@infoboard.be wrote:
: Who can help me to find information on the dourado.
: It's a fish often mistaken for a dolphin but has 
: no blow-hole and his tail is vertical.  I also
: read that it lives in tropical waters. 
: Do you have the scientific name or the correct
: spelling of its name?
: Any suggestions, ideas? Anything would be helpful.

: Thanks in advance.
: Ruth.

The "Dourado" you speak of is probably a Dorado, a lesser used name for 
_Coryphaena hippurus_ which is a widely distributed species of pelagic 
fish with many names, including "Dolphin fish", hence the confusion. 

also one of my favourite fish, shame you can't catch them in denmark.

Nick.
--
    *    Danish Institute for Fisheries Technology and Aquaculture.    *
    *  The North Sea Centre, P.O. Box 59, DK-9850 Hirtshals, Denmark.  *
    *            Tel +45 98 94 43 00. Fax +45 98 94 22 26.             *


From fboothro@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca Wed Nov  8 09:47:36 EST 1995
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From: fboothro@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Frank A. Boothroyd)
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The following scientific equipment is for sale - all is in good 
condition.  Please email me for details and prices.

1 YSI Oxygen Meter
1 Mini Spectrophotometer
1 Mobile light microscope (with rugged carrying case)
1 Micropipetter


Regards,

Frank Boothroyd 


From akruk@aol.com Wed Nov  8 09:47:37 EST 1995
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From: akruk@aol.com (AKruk)
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Hi -
I believe that the Federal Government, with local support, needs to
support the species in danger by prohibited fishing of the chinook salmon.
Not only are waterways by definition not confined to state boundaries, but
the salmon travels across state boundaries. It is therefore not the right
of Alaska or any other state to impose their definition of population
control.
In general, humans should not attempt to control the population of any
species other than their own-we need to stop reducing, and then trying to
artificially increase ( usually through weak, bad gene pools) any species.
My vote is to tell Alaska that they are out of bounds to get involved in
any way. State economic interests can be served by redirecting resources
towards activities that enhance rather than degrade the environment, such
as Oregan has successfully done after the Spotted Owl won out over logging
interests.


From akruk@aol.com Wed Nov  8 09:47:38 EST 1995
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In response to your attempt to blame lack of fishing success on natural
selection-
more likely is that you and your cohorts have succeeded in depleting the
available supply of fish. By definition, natural selection is the process
of a species adapting to their natural environment, not their unnatural
environment. No species is able to outsmart weapons through their natural
behaviors. Natual selection success is determined by inhereted genes not
adaptations since birth. Since humans have only been invading the planet
for a relatively short period of time, and natural selection takes much
longer, it is doubtful that any species would have had time to allow
random mutant genes to produce a behavior that helps them avoid bullets
and hooks.
Fishing is not a naturally occuring environmental condition, and will not
likely entice species to develop "natural" behaviors as adaptations.


From pavlov@sdac.harvard.edu Wed Nov  8 09:47:39 EST 1995
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From: pavlov@sdac.harvard.edu (Greg Pavlov)
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In article <47d9vc$4ia@shiva.usa.net> burger@earth.usa.net (Keith Hamburger) writes:
>
>: Assuming your figures are correct, why do you think the COST of
>: catching a pound of tuna ($100) in the sport fishery should be should
>: be compared to the REVENUE ($0.45) in a commercial fishery? 
>:                                                             ---Hal   
>Because, assuming that the fish is not being sold at a loss, the revenue
>is the highest dollar figure available to be used for economic impact.
>If you just used what was spent to catch the fish and no one was going
>broke in the process, it would be less than the revenue.
>
 But that conveniently ignores the fact that most of the ultimate economic
 value of commercial fishing accrues after the fish are caught while the 
 economic value of recreational fishing is almost completely accrued before
 the fish are caught.  So the PR folks for the recreational fishing industry
 ignore it.  It would be similar to calculating the value of the food industry
 on the basis of what we pay farmers.  It would then be easy to "prove" that
 we should dispense with farming altogether, import all of our food, and con-
 vert all of our farmland to golf courses.  Because, after all, a set of golf
 clubs cost a heck of a lot more than a bushel of corn. 


 greg pavlov
 pavlov@fstrf.org


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Does anyone know the price of an echo sounder with a fish identification 
facility, such as a " Magna", and where I could get one.  Thanks in advance.
Jim.
 


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Greg Pavlov <pavlov@sdac.harvard.edu> wrote:

> But that conveniently ignores the fact that most of the ultimate
> economic value of commercial fishing accrues after the fish are
> caught while the economic value of recreational fishing is almost
> completely accrued before the fish are caught.  So the PR folks for
> the recreational fishing industry ignore it.  It would be similar to

Before or after shouldn't matter so long as you account for it.
I should point out that the only NMFS (the folks in charge of
maintaining the U.S.'s fisheries) study I've seen on this did quite
the opposite of what you're claiming - in calculating economic impact,
it focused on wages paid to fishermen and how much the fish were sold
for.  It did not cover cost of boats, fuel, housing/lodging, etc.,
saying these were secondary effects, not primary economic impact.
i.e. it ignored most of what happens before the fish are caught and
concentrated on what happened after.  By your definition (which I
agree with) this unfairly favored the commercial industry.

> calculating the value of the food industry on the basis of what we
> pay farmers.  It would then be easy to "prove" that we should
> dispense with farming altogether, import all of our food, and con-
> vert all of our farmland to golf courses.  Because, after all, a set
> of golf clubs cost a heck of a lot more than a bushel of corn.

Your farming example works because you're using the cost at one data
point (the way things are now) to project cost for an entirely
different situation (if we were to convert all our farmland to golf
courses).  If the food produced by farming were really important
(which it is), the cost of food would far exceed that of golf clubs
well before you reached the point of 100% golf courses.  (And just so
you a-free-market-will-solve-everything folks don't get too cocky,
whether this would allow for enough farmland to feed everyone is
questionable, since the set of people who buy food and the set of
golfers are different, both in numbers and wealth.)

For small changes in allocation of land or fish catches, using the
current economic impact is valid.  For large changes, you've changed
the playing field enough that the economic impact per acre of land
or pound of fish will have changed, warranting reassessment.

In this respect, I think it's telling that the National Geographic
article says that commercial catches are way down, yet prices have
remained the same.
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
John H. Kim        "A common mistake that people make when trying to design
jokim@mit.edu       something completely foolproof is to underestimate the
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams


From sriley@kaien.awinc.com Wed Nov  8 09:47:41 EST 1995
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Does anyone know where I can find fisheries job info online?  I am a 
fisheries biologist looking for work, and any help would be 
appreciated. 

Thanks.



From Gunn@Otago.ac.NZ Wed Nov  8 09:47:42 EST 1995
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All the Genus names below are suspect; they do not occur in
Nelson, 3rd Edition 1994, Fishes of the World.  Can anyone with
access to Eschmeyer's lists (or, if there are other similarly
up-to-date lists) help?


Many thanks in advance,

Derek Gunn
SKS-Information


CYPRI --Cyprinidae -----+-Aphyocypris? ---+-pooni
                        |                 +   Venus-fish
                        |
                        +-Luciosoma? -------spilopleura


CHARA-+-Characidae -----+-Acestrorhamphus --hepsetus
      |                 |
      |                 +-Alestopetersius +-caudalis
      |                 |                 +   Yellow Congo Characin
      |                 |
      |                 +-Arnoldichthys? -+-spilopterus
      |                 |                 +   Red-eye Characin
      |                 |
      |                 +-Chalceus? ------+-macrolepidotus
      |                 |                 +   Pink-tail Characin
      |                 |
      |                 +-Creagrutus? ----+-beni
      |                 |                 +   Gold-stripe Characin
      |                 |
      |                 +-Hasemania? -------marginata
      |                 |
      |                 +-Luciocharax? -----insculptus
      |                 |
      |                 +-Nannobrycon? ---+-eques
      |                 |                 +   Tube-mouth Pencilfish
      |                 |
      |                 +-Nematobrycon? ----amphiloxus
      |                 |
      |                 +-Petitella? -------georgiae
      |                 |
      |                 +-Stevardia? -----+-riisei
      |                 |                 +   Swordtail Characin
      |                 |
      |                 +-Thayeria? --------boehlkei
      |
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      +-Curimatidae ------Chilodus? ------+-punctatus
                                          +   Spotted Headstander


SYNGN --Syngnathidae -----Dunkerocampus --+-dactyliophorus
                                          +   Banded Pipefish


PERCI-+-Apogonidae -----+-Paramia --------+-quinquelineata
      |                 |                 +   Five-line Cardinalfish
      |                 |
      |                 +-Sphaeramia -----+-nematopterus
      |                                   +   Pajama Cardinalfish
      |
      +-Chaetodontidae -+-Euxiphipops ----+-nevarchus
      |                 |                 +   Majestic Angelfish
      |                 |
      |                 +-Johnrandallia --+-nigrirostris
      |                 |                 +   Black-nose Butterflyfi
      |                 |
      |                 +-Parachaetodon --+-ocellatus
      |                 |                 +   Ocellate Butterflyfish
      |                 |
      |                 +-Oxycirrhites ---+-typus
      |                                   +   Longnose Hawkfish
      |
      |
      +-Grammatidae ------Mirolabrichthys +-tuka
      |                                   +   Purple Queen
      |
      +-Haemulidae -------Spilotichthys --+-pictus
      |                                   +   Painted Sweetlips
      |
      +-Monodactylidae ---Microcanthus ---+-strigatus
      |                                   +   Stripey
      |
      +-Sciaenidae -------Pareques -------+-viola
                                          +   Rock Croaker


PER-2-+-Acanthuridae -----Paracanthurus --+-heptatus
      |                                   +   Flame-tail Surgeonfish
      |
      +-Blennidae --------Exallias -------+-brevis
      |                                   +   Short-bodied Blenny
      |
      +-Cirrhitidae ------Oxycirrhites ---+-typus
      |                                   +   Longnose Hawkfish
      |
      +-Eleotridae -------Eleotrides -----+-strigatus
      |                                   +   Golden-head Sleeper
      |
      +-Gobiidae ---------Gobiodon -------+-citrinus
      |                                   +   Coral Goby
      |
      +-Labridae -------+-Lienardella ----+-fasciatus
                        |                 +   Harlequin Wrasse
                        |
                        +-Pseudocheilinus +-hexataenia
                                          +   Pyjama Wrasse

   SKIS v5.6 Copyright (c) 1995 CS.Woods, DI.Gunn, Dunedin, N.Z.



From mikemid@oz.net Wed Nov  8 09:47:43 EST 1995
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Richard Anderson <mikemid@oz.net> wrote:
>
>Tens of thousands of seabirds -- murres, auklets, puffins, murrelets and
>other diving seabirds -- are in grave danger and desperately  need your
>help.  The issue is the prevention of the illegal take of seabirds >through net entanglement in Washington waters.  The proposed so=
lution is
>initiative I-640 that will appear on the ballot November 7th.  The
>opponents: Washington’s sizable commercial fishing industry; whose >members have infiltrated and hold influential positions in our =
most >powerful environmental groups. The dilemma we face: due to the total lack >of interest -- almost to the extent of shutting out=
 -- from the media, it >is nearly impossible to get the information to Washington voters and find >allies within politically active =
environmental organizations.....

Please note that in the previous article,  the bullit quoting the Fishery 
Observer Program was not obtained from the National Audubon Society Fact 
Sheet.  Our apologies to the author, John Wilson for misquoting him. The 
last piece of information is infact gathered from research funded by the 
National Marine Fisheries Service authorized under the Marine Mammal 
Protection Act.  For a copy of the Fishery Observer Program Report, call 
Bob Turner, Director, Department of Fish & Wildlife at (360)902-2225.
                                 Thank you,
                                            Jill Middleton
                                         Daughter of Richard Anderson



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Seriously, this is a chance of a lifetime.  I want all you naughty boys 
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In article <47lh05$puv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jokim@ (John H. Kim) writes:
>
>Before or after shouldn't matter so long as you account for it.
>
 Precisely.  And when the recreational fishing industry throws out numbers
 such as $100/lb for recreational catch vs. $.45 for commercial catch, it is
 very clear that they do not.  


From jokim@ Wed Nov  8 09:47:45 EST 1995
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Greg Pavlov <pavlov@sdac.harvard.edu> wrote:
>In article <478qa6$a6a@tuna.mit.edu> jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
>>
>>He's talking about the economic activity generated per pound of fish
>>killed, not how much it's sold for.  Recreational fishing generates
>>jobs too - tackle manufacturers, bait resellers, charters, etc.
>
> Well, that's part of the point: the numbers are manipulated.  Anything that
> may even remotely connect with recreational fishing costs are thrown in to
> calculate "cost per pound" for rereational fishing.  This is then compared to
> cost per pound at the dock paid to a commercial fisherman, i.e., "how much
> it is sold for."  In the former case, the value of the entire infrastructure
> ans support costs are thrown in - no matter how applicable they may be - 
> while in the latter only the cost of the raw goods is included.  

Hold on a sec.  The whole point to commercial fishing is to make
money.  Since the only way they make money is by selling fish, by
definition their infrastructure and support costs per pound of fish
cannot exceed the price they sell the fish for.  Otherwise they would
soon be out of business.

With recreational fishing, the point is to have fun.  People will put
as much money into infrastructure and support costs to achieve that
fun, regardless of how much the fish is worth to them as food.  As I
said, I haven't seen how they arrived at the $100/lb figure so I won't
defend it, but my own high school experience says about $5/lb for
party-boat charters alone (high school budget).  This is for a mix of
tuna and yellowtail fishing off Southern Calif.  Add cost of tackle,
travel and lodging, or a boat and fuel and I can easily see it being
in the tens of dollars per pound.
-- 
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jokim@mit.edu       something completely foolproof is to underestimate the
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams


From jokim@ Wed Nov  8 09:47:46 EST 1995
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Greg Pavlov <pavlov@sdac.harvard.edu> wrote:
>From: jokim@ (John H. Kim)
>>
>>Hold on a sec.  The whole point to commercial fishing is to make
>>money.  Since the only way they make money is by selling fish, by
>>definition their infrastructure and support costs per pound of fish
>>cannot exceed the price they sell the fish for.  Otherwise they would
>>soon be out of business.
>
> You are right, but my point is that the rec fishing industry likes
> to restrict its definition of economic value to this part of the
> activity.  It ignores everything that occurs, or may occur, after
> that: processing, distribution, and consumption.  These are all part
> of the seafood chain and its economic impact.  "Consumption" may be
> $10 for a bit of tuna in a NYC sushi bar (tho I'm told that that's
> on the lower end of the price range, in some cases) or a $50
> swordfish steak dinner in similar surroundings.  Or a can of cat
> food, at the other extreme.

Good point.  So if we follow the final-selling-price-exceeds-all-the-
catching/processing/distribution-costs rule, and figure out the
proportion of fish winding up in each of the above places, we can get
an upper bound for the economic impact of commercial fishing, averaged
per pound if we like.  (upper bound because other things are served
with the fish; gotta give agriculture some credit too)

So is anyone willing to do that, or can anyone contact the people who
are tallying these types of things and make them do this?  Anybody out
there writing a thesis on this topic? :)  I think an honest portrayal
will garner much more respect than an artificially limited one, like
the NMFS study I saw.  I'm not quite ready to condemn the $100/lb to
40 cents/lb figure because as I understand it, the 40 cents/lb tuna
oversaturated the market and *did* end up as cat food.
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
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jokim@tuna.mit.edu  ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams


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Hi

A friend of mine is translating a French script about salmon and 
aquaculture to English. He is having problems with three words:

The first two are in relation to salmon stages of growth.

1  Tacons       2   salmoneux

The last term is in relation to a facility that produces salmon for 
commercial sale.

3  aquaicole

Are these French words, can they be translated to English, how are they 
pronounced and what do they mean?

Anyone with any ideas please e-mail me,  biodiver@loki.atcon.com

Many Thanks in Advance       Lawrence




From Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk Wed Nov  8 09:47:47 EST 1995
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Can anyone point me to information on fish traps, which, I believe,
are widely used by the Japanese. 

Thanks

Roger



From dmiller@wyoming.com Sat Jan 27 23:07:27 EST 1996
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In article <1691942878.19309@beak.com>, wramshaw@beak.com says...
>
>
>The American Fisheries Society has some sort of conference thing buried in
>either sports or outdoors conferences on Compuserve.  I haven't seen 
anything
>in the way of a webpage address in Fisheries, I hope they do something 
soon,
>it must be in the works.

I missed the previous messages in this thread so I'm not sure what the 
original question was.  But AFS does have a web page and is no longer on 
Compuserve.  They now have a web page at http://www.esd.ornl.gov/AFS.  The 
page is still "under construction" but we would appreciate comments on how 
to improve it, what should be on it, etc.  AFS also has an electronic 
mailing list for AFS members.  If you are interested in it please send me a 
message.  Thanks.

Dirk Miller
dmiller@wyoming.com
President, American Fisheries Society Computer User Section



From brent.farler@tps.eds.com Sat Jan 27 23:07:28 EST 1996
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From: Brent Farler <brent.farler@tps.eds.com>
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In the past 6 months brine shrimp eggs (artemia cysts) have become 
expensive and difficult to find.  Does anyone know what natural 
phenomonen is behind this shortage?


From tthuma@cennet.mc.peachnet.edu Sat Jan 27 23:07:29 EST 1996
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From: "Todd S. Thuma" <tthuma@cennet.mc.peachnet.edu>
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I would like to thank all those individuals that posted a reply and email 
in response to my poorly composed explanation to why penguins do not 
freeze. 

For those that did not see the article, the question, "Why don't penguins 
freeze", was composed by first graders. I responded with a first grade 
response. Unfortunately, I over simplified an expalantion and left some 
major errors. 

My first error was applying a lake model to the ocean. I neglected the 
efferct of salinity. Salinity increases the density and changes the 
freezing point, lowering it. My second error was in treating the teacher 
as if they would be unable to comprehend a more complex discussion or be 
able to break it down for their first graders. I work a great deal with 
local schools, and I have found many non-science teachers unable to 
comprehend complex physical oceanography. I made a third error in not 
consulting some material in the preparation of my answer. That will be 
the last time I respond to any news group after a few Friday afternoon 
beers. And lastly I errored in posting my reply to the newsgroup. I had 
intended only to email but instead placed my mistakes on the global 
bulletin board. 

The replies I have received have been welcome. I welcome anyother replies 
or suggestions. Specifically, I would like suggestions on how to teach 
first graders about salinity, up/down welling, mixing, ocean modeling, 
etc. If you could suggest ways to include Sesame Street characters it 
would be greatly appreciated.  

I have officially lost my virginity with a premature reply to a post on 
this news group.



From jtkeiser@bev.net Sat Jan 27 23:07:30 EST 1996
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From: Jeff Keiser <jtkeiser@bev.net>
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Was the squid hauled aboard alive?  As I understand it, most (if not all) 
extant specimens of this animal have been found either washed ashore, 
inside whale stomachs, or brought up from the depths already dead.  I 
recall reading this in an oceanography text a few years ago.  As I am not 
a fisheries biologist or marine scientist, I could possess some very 
dated information.  What an amazingly mysterious animal!  

Thanks for any additional information!

Jeff



From bz050@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Jan 27 23:07:31 EST 1996
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From hamkd@ornl.gov Sat Jan 27 23:07:32 EST 1996
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From: "Kenneth D. Ham" <hamkd@ornl.gov>
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Is anyone using a computerized system that automatically 
finds annuli in scales or otoliths of fish. I have seem 
prototypes, but never used one myself. I would be 
interested to hear what you are using and how well 
it works. In particular, I would like to know how much
human intervention or oversight is required to get
acceptable results.


Kenneth D. Ham
hamkd@ornl.gov



From wrhee@earthlink.net Sat Jan 27 23:07:32 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Marine Biology School Project
Date: 24 Jan 1996 07:56:39 GMT
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An excellent guide is an Occupational Guide Book, found in most 
libraries, or you can look up Federal Career Guide(not the title, but
I am talking about the category).  It will tell you what the marine
biology job entails and the pay scale, etc. Hope this helps. 



From burrows@bcu.ubc.ca Sat Jan 27 23:07:33 EST 1996
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Does anybody know of any freely accessible lists
of journal contents at any internet site? 

I am interested primarily in the primary fish-aquatic
journals (Can J Fish Aquat Sci, Trans Am Fish Soc, J Fish
Biol, N Am J Fish Mgmt).

I am asking because I will shortly be moving to a place
with minimal library resources but with internet access,
and I will still need to keep up to date.

Thanks for comments (mail or post) - Jeff.


From macwat@helix.net Sat Jan 27 23:07:34 EST 1996
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This note is to announce that a web page has been established for the
International Congress on the Biology of Fishes, July 14-18,1996 in San 
Francisco, California. This meeting should be of interest to your
subscribers. Could you please provide a hyperlink from your calendar of
events page to the Congress' page at:

    http://www.helix.net/~macwat/congress.html

Thank you,
    Don MacKinlay


From wbowers@cs.mun.ca Sat Jan 27 23:07:35 EST 1996
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Subject: Latin American Fisheries?
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Latin America is certainly the land of stories; however, gathering 
information about their fishery evelopment programs (if they even exist) 
is much more difficult. 
I am particularly interested in the lesser 'developed' states like 
Guyana, Surinam, French Guyana,etc...
If anyone has information regarding specific programs (or lack there of) 
please email me directly.


-- 
Wm. C. Bowers
wbowers@ganymede.cs.mun.ca
"the last of Barrett's Privateers" 
				


From mofjeld@u.washington.edu Sat Jan 27 23:07:36 EST 1996
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From: Pamela Mofjeld <mofjeld@u.washington.edu>
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Subject: Re: journal contents
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CARL Uncover provides free internet access to their database.  The cost 
is if you want to order articles.  They index over 16,000 journals 
including some of the ones that you mention.  They also have a service 
called Reveal that allows you to establish a list of journals that you 
are interested in, then each time a new table of contents is added to the 
database it is sent to you as an e-mail message.  There is a cost for 
using Reveal.  You can telnet to the Uncover database at 
database.carl.org  Once you are connected to CARL, choose Uncover at the 
menu.  Good luck.

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On 22 Jan 1996, Jeff Burrows wrote:

> 
> Does anybody know of any freely accessible lists
> of journal contents at any internet site? 
> 
> I am interested primarily in the primary fish-aquatic
> journals (Can J Fish Aquat Sci, Trans Am Fish Soc, J Fish
> Biol, N Am J Fish Mgmt).
> 
> I am asking because I will shortly be moving to a place
> with minimal library resources but with internet access,
> and I will still need to keep up to date.
> 
> Thanks for comments (mail or post) - Jeff.
> 
> 


From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Sat Jan 27 23:07:37 EST 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Subject: Re: Age and growth analysis
Date: 25 Jan 1996 02:51:21 GMT
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I have worked on juvenile cod and haddock otoliths in the past at the 
Bedford Institute of Oceanography, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. We made daily 
growth ring counts and digitized rings on a PC-video-microscope system. 
I just finished a contract where adults of the same species were being 
caught. These otiliths were imbedded in a plastic resin, cut into thin 
sections and counted manually. A good contact would be Dr. Steve Campana 
at the Bedford Intitute. Otoliths are his specialty. If you are 
interested, I can give you his work number if you e-mail me.

Lawrence
biodiver@loki.atcon.com




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You could send e-mail to Iclarm at iclarm@cgnet.com

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On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Harris Phiri wrote:

> Hello all,
>       Two years ago Iclarm announced the production of a new fish 
> populations analysis software called Fisat. Is anyone aware of this 
> software and how it can be obtained
> 
> Harris
> 
> 


From rhayman@sos.net Sat Jan 27 23:07:38 EST 1996
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From: Bob McClure <rhayman@sos.net>
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Do a search for FAO and UN  (Food & agriculture organization of the United Nations).  They publish 
annual reports of world fishereies (and other "agricultural") pursuits.

Good Luck!



From hastleltd@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:07:39 EST 1996
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try contacting Dr. Thomas Lasordo at NCSU.  His aol# is
Aquatictec.aol.com.  Good luck!


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Dept. of Biology		|	University of Saskatchewan
				|	Saskatoon, SK  CANADA
				|	S7N 5E2
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From f0964@cc.nagasaki-u.ac.jp Sat Jan 27 23:07:41 EST 1996
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From: f0964@cc.nagasaki-u.ac.jp (Harris Phiri)
Subject: Fisat
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Hello all,
      Two years ago Iclarm announced the production of a new fish 
populations analysis software called Fisat. Is anyone aware of this 
software and how it can be obtained

Harris


From myeh@ic.sunysb.edu Sat Jan 27 23:07:42 EST 1996
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Subject: Photographs wanted
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I am compiling a field guide of organisms in the Hudson River estuary 
(New York). Does anyone know where I can obtain photographs of these 
species (especially fish) and permission to publish them?

Thanks,

Michael Yeh
The River Project



From vcstar@aol.com Sat Jan 27 23:07:43 EST 1996
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From: vcstar@aol.com (VCStar)
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Subject: Impacts of Propostion 132
Date: 26 Jan 1996 18:52:25 -0500
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I am a newspaper reporter working on a story about the impacts of
California's Proposition 132. I am looking for a fisheries economist who
can discuss what has happened to California's gill net fleet and fish
populations since the ban went into effect. Any ideas?


From fialab@flowinjection.com Sat Jan 27 23:07:44 EST 1996
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From: Alitea USA <fialab@flowinjection.com>
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Flow Injection Analysis (FIA) is a rapidly growing analytical technique with applications in 
various chemical, biological, environmental, and medical analyses. The method is based on the 
injection of a liquid sample into a nonsegmented carrier stream. The injection sample forms a 
zone, which is transported into a detector or sensor. The continuous change in absorbance, 
electrical potential or other physical parameter yields a response curve which is the basis of 
an assay or information on a system under study.

Alitea USA is a leading manufacturer of flow injection instruments.

Please see our homepage at http://www.flowinjection.com/flowinjection/




From lntrummy@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:23:44 EST 1996
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I am an aspiring aquaculturist (is that the correct term?) and would like
to correspond and possibly visit individuals who are actively fish
farming, preferably in tanks.  I attended a seminar at Virginia State
University in October on aquaculture and have joined a couple of
organizations.  Please e-mail to LnTRummy@aol.com.


From lntrummy@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:23:45 EST 1996
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Please e-mail me at LnTRummy@aol.com with information regarding anyone
running a commercial fishery in above ground tanks.  I am interested in
corresponding with, and perhaps meeting anyone who is doing this.  Thank
you.

Tim Rumfeldt
Hampton, VA, USA


From email@multiplaza.com Mon Jan 29 11:23:46 EST 1996
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SeafoodNet has now its own conference and chatting area on-line.

Just point your browser at http://multiplaza.com/chat
and use the MULTICHAT Room or Conference Room.

I also could open a seperate Seafood Talk Room, provided there is
sufficient traffic.

Regards
Lub Ras


Webmaster SeafoodNet
http://multiplaza.com/seafood



From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Mon Jan 29 11:23:47 EST 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Would like a starting point for obtaining research on eliminating  
epiphytes and invertebrates from macro algae in aquaculture sites.

Many thanks in advance

Lawrence




From loyw@aol.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:43 EST 1996
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From: loyw@aol.com (LOYW)
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Are there any shrimp nutritionist out there that would be interested in
evaluating experimental quantities of algae and soy meal that have been
treated to make them more digestible?  The experimental quantities should
be available the second quarter this year.

Please reply via e-mail.  LOYW@aol.com

Loy


From eipsac@cwo.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:44 EST 1996
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There was some work a few years back using fish respiration to measure 
pollutant stress.  When fish are stressed they breathe more.  Most fish 
breathe by pumping their gill covers... which you can observe and count.

So subject your fish to varying stressors (e.g. temperature, pH, 
salinity, maybe even toxins) and count the number of gill pumps per 5 
minutes.  

I think you will see a correlation.

Good luck!
ejk



From shp1@ukc.ac.uk Tue Mar 26 22:49:44 EST 1996
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From: shp1 <shp1@ukc.ac.uk>
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Dear All,

I am looking for information on the natural recruitment of Scylla serrata 
into a trpical fishery (Tanzanian coast).  Are there any ways in which to 
calculate the levels of recruitment from stock assessment data ?  Or are 
there any models which can be applied to the fishery (possibly based on 
shelter ??) and if so what data is required ?  Any help would be 
gratefully recieved 

Thanks

Stuart Priestley



From ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Mar 26 22:49:45 EST 1996
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Can anyone direct me to a usegroup or URL involved with aquaculture
in India?

Thanks,

Don

Don E. McAllister
--
Don E. McAllister, Canadian ##  & Ocean Voice International, Box 37026
Museum of Nature, P.O.B. 3443 ##  3332 McCarthy Road, Ottawa, ON K1V 0W0
Stn D,Ottawa,ON K1P 6P4  Tel. (613)264-8986, Fax: (613)264-9204
E-mail addresses: mcall@superaje.com / ah194@freenet.carleton.ca


From Y6IM@UNB.CA Tue Mar 26 22:49:45 EST 1996
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From: ROLSTON  L <Y6IM@UNB.CA>
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Subject: WANTED: Aquaculture/Fisheries Biologist/Technicians Position
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Wanted position in above fields, especially within Canada.
Graduating with a BSc - Biology (Hons), and also a Fish
and Wildlife Technician's diploma.  Considerable experience.
Will send a C.V. to all interested.  Please contact y6im@unbsj.ca



From rlukens@typhoon.southwind.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:46 EST 1996
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In Article<3144B188.238E@gill.ifmt.nf.ca>, <phe@gill.ifmt.nf.ca> write:
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> From: phe@gill.ifmt.nf.ca
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> Subject: Red Crab Biology
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> 
> Despartely searching for materials related to red crab (Geryon 
> quinquedens): its biology, behaviour, and harvesting methods.  Please 
> email me if you have any good source to suggest.
> 
> - Ping -
you can check with Harriet Perry at the Gulf Coast Research Laboratory in 
Ocean Springs, Mississippi (601)875-2244.  She was a principal investigator on 
several exploratory geryon cruises in the Gulf of Mexico.



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Mickey, be careful about temperature affects on other parts of a fish's 
life.  For example, fish need to breathe oxygen, right?  What happens to 
available oxygen as temperatures go down?

Good luck

ejk



From seliason@awod.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:47 EST 1996
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Very well put Brett.  As a hatchery Manager I too am rewarded with the sunrise 
and the sunset, and usually working well past the sunset with no overtime pay 
of course...but the job is rewarding and fun to do.  It takes a dedicated 
person to stick with it, I've seen more than my share of people in the 
past 19 years wanting to follow their dreams only to see reality bite them on 
the behind.  It takes more than just liking the outdoors or love of fishing and 
hunting to make it in this career eh?

-Steve-
Senior Natural Resource Technician
Dennis Wildlife Center
SCDNR

In article <4i0125$q6h@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, brett3@ix.netcom.co says...
>
>In <4htp5n$pik@newsbf02.news.aol.com> atdepth@aol.com (Atdepth) writes:
>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I have noticed several conversations in a couple of the newsgroups
>>concerning how to utilize computers in the scientific research
>community.
>>
>>I am looking to make a career change.  I am currently a Software
>Engineer
>>working as a consultant in the Washington, D.C. area.  While I have
>been
>>very sucessful in this endevor, quite frankly it is killing me.  I am
>>looking to trash this career, go back to school and move forward in
>the
>>career I have always wanted (since junior high school) in Marine
>Biology
>>and Environmental Sciences.  I am thinking I should be able to utilize
>my
>>current skill set and overall experience in the research community
>while
>>going to school.
>>
>>Does anyone out there have any ideas, comments or even better, jobs?
>>
>>Greg Swartz
>>Atdepth@aol.com 
>
>
>Greg,
>
>Somebody out there has a REAL job (you) and wants to get into biology? 
>I hope you made and saved a lot of money.  Biological work is quite
>rewarding, but not usually in the fiscal sense.  Perhaps your unique
>situation may help alleviate that.  All I can tell you is that I
>wouldn't change, I love working as a biologist, but it took me 16 years
>to get to the salary level my CPA younger sister got in the first
>couple of years out of school (she has since passed me well by). 
>However, I do have some things she seems to be lacking.  The sunrise,
>and the sunset, fresh, exhaust free air, an office as big as all
>outdoors, a company pickup, lots of cool test kits and meters, more
>fish than you could shake a stick at, alligators in summer and
>cormorants in winter, the desire, rather than the dread of going to
>work, etc.  Follow your heart and you'll be fine, and best of luck.
>
>Brett Rowley
>Fisheries Biologist
>Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
>West Columbia, Texas



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Sorry, my home page address was incorrect in my last post on the subject.
The real address is:

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bz050

Thanks!

Ciao!

Ben...


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In <4htp5n$pik@newsbf02.news.aol.com> atdepth@aol.com (Atdepth) writes:

>
>Hello,
>
>I have noticed several conversations in a couple of the newsgroups
>concerning how to utilize computers in the scientific research
community.
>
>I am looking to make a career change.  I am currently a Software
Engineer
>working as a consultant in the Washington, D.C. area.  While I have
been
>very sucessful in this endevor, quite frankly it is killing me.  I am
>looking to trash this career, go back to school and move forward in
the
>career I have always wanted (since junior high school) in Marine
Biology
>and Environmental Sciences.  I am thinking I should be able to utilize
my
>current skill set and overall experience in the research community
while
>going to school.
>
>Does anyone out there have any ideas, comments or even better, jobs?
>
>Greg Swartz
>Atdepth@aol.com 


Greg,

Somebody out there has a REAL job (you) and wants to get into biology? 
I hope you made and saved a lot of money.  Biological work is quite
rewarding, but not usually in the fiscal sense.  Perhaps your unique
situation may help alleviate that.  All I can tell you is that I
wouldn't change, I love working as a biologist, but it took me 16 years
to get to the salary level my CPA younger sister got in the first
couple of years out of school (she has since passed me well by). 
However, I do have some things she seems to be lacking.  The sunrise,
and the sunset, fresh, exhaust free air, an office as big as all
outdoors, a company pickup, lots of cool test kits and meters, more
fish than you could shake a stick at, alligators in summer and
cormorants in winter, the desire, rather than the dread of going to
work, etc.  Follow your heart and you'll be fine, and best of luck.

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas


From purple.midusa.net Tue Mar 26 22:49:49 EST 1996
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Carry Kepka, a senior at Wilson High School in Wilson, Kansas is 
searching for information for a research paper dealing with sharks.  
Specifically, she is looking for information pertaining to the 
protection of sharks.  Please let us know where to find this type of 
information if you know.  - Thanks, Deb Feil, instructor




From bille@iag.net Tue Mar 26 22:49:49 EST 1996
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From: "William A. Eggers" <bille@iag.net>
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Subject: stocking and planting feasibility for stormwater ponds in Florida
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Can anyone point me to some resources that demonstrate stocking and 
planting strategies for shallow stormwater ponds in Florida. Some 
questions that I need to answer include: Is it feasible to have viable 
fish populations? Which species work best with which plants? What kind 
of densities do I need? Should the stocking be staged, and if so with 
what periodicity? Where can I obtain zooplankton, inverts, etc.?


From jokim@tuna.mit.edu Tue Mar 26 22:49:50 EST 1996
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The National Marine Fisheries Service just told Washington
state's Department of Fish and Wildlife that it can kill any
sea lion that (1) has a history of eating steelhead, (2) is
oblivious to underwater noisemakers, and (3) is seen hunting
steelhead this season.

See http://www.cnn.com/wires/EARTH/03-14/sea_lions/index.html
for more details.

Followups to rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater and sci.bio.fisheries.
-- 
John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan


From mutschd@milwaukee.tec.wi.us Tue Mar 26 22:49:51 EST 1996
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From: mutschd@milwaukee.tec.wi.us (Don Mutsch)
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Subject: Zebra Mussels
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I am writing a research paper that will discuss various issues dealing
with the infestation of Zebra Mussels in the Great Lakes and
neighboring waters.  I am looking for some specific information that
explores the affects that the Zebra Mussle has had upon natural
reproduction efforts of various fish species.

Most of the information that I have found so far shows that not enough
data has been collected yet to answer this question.  My understanding
is that some research is being conducted in this area.  If anyone has
some information that they could share with me, it would be greatly
appreciated.

Don




From fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:51 EST 1996
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From: fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com (Stephen Sloan)
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--Hi: Listen to our radio show,The Fishin' Zone, that broadcasts every
Saturday morning from 6-7 am. Eastern time on 66 stations to over 500
cities in the US. 
We have a "troll" free number 1-800-298-8255. Call us and let's talk some
fish; or E-mail me your address and I will return mail  2 free bumper
stickers that say I FISH & I VOTE for your car-boat-rod case or tackle box.
We will inform you of the nearest radio station to you.  
Tight Lines, let's talk fishery issues and science!!  
The Fishin' Zone- Steve Sloan 
Stephen Sloan 
 
 
 
 


From clangell@eskimo.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:52 EST 1996
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From: clangell@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Mangrove Crab (Scylla serrata) Fisheries- Recruitment
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shp1 <shp1@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:

>Dear All,

>I am looking for information on the natural recruitment of Scylla serrata 
>into a trpical fishery (Tanzanian coast).  Are there any ways in which to 
>calculate the levels of recruitment from stock assessment data ?  Or are 
>there any models which can be applied to the fishery (possibly based on 
>shelter ??) and if so what data is required ?  Any help would be 
>gratefully recieved 

>Thanks

>Stuart Priestley

Stuart,

What kind of data can you collect from the fishery?  It would seem
that if you can obtain length frequency data over at least one year,
you could possibly apply the ELEFAN program of ICLARM to estimate
periods of recruitment, yield per recruit, etc.  I am not aware of
ELEFAN being applied to crabs, but it has been applied to cockles in
Malaysia, so it should work with Scylla serrata.

C Angell
clangell@eskimo.com




From pf13@cornell.edu Tue Mar 26 22:49:53 EST 1996
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South African Journal of Marine Science, v.5-13, 15.  
1987-1995.  This is about 9" of shelf space; 2 vols are 
bound.  $30 plus postage.  First come...

reply to 
Peter Fraissinet
pf13@cornell.edu


From Vincent.R.Segafredo@awo.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:53 EST 1996
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From: TheMuskyDude <Vincent.R.Segafredo@awo.com>
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Subject: Re: NMFS OKs killing sea lions that eat steelhead
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John H. Kim wrote:
> 
> The National Marine Fisheries Service just told Washington
> state's Department of Fish and Wildlife that it can kill any
> sea lion that (1) has a history of eating steelhead, (2) is
> oblivious to underwater noisemakers, and (3) is seen hunting
> steelhead this season.
> 
> See http://www.cnn.com/wires/EARTH/03-14/sea_lions/index.html
> for more details.
> 
> Followups to rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater and sci.bio.fisheries.
> --
> John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
> jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
> jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan

I've been to the west coast, and when you salmon fish you can't even fight 
the fish without sea lion's attacking what you have hooked (on open water, 
not on river's).  I would rather see hunting for them (than just killing), 
but there is no question they are impacting the salmon and steelhead 
populations.  So I would applaud the move.


From itow Tue Mar 26 22:49:54 EST 1996
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From: Howard Itow <itow>
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Subject: Re: NMFS OKs killing sea lions that eat steelhead
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The sea lions have been known to travel great lengths up river systems to get
the salmon and steelhead.  The further upriver they go, the easier it is for
them corale the fish.

Decades ago, both the Sea Lions and the fish lived in harmony.  Fish
populations, especially the Coho Salmon prospered, but something happened. The
fish now has more predators, and the Sea lions have only one, the shark.  As
our populations increase, the pressure on fish increase, via the demand for
water, not sportfishing.

The Sea Lion has had time to over populate, it is time to tip the scale the
other way, and either allow special native american hunting permits or detail
eradication alah Washington state.

I am tired of these fur balls wiping out our efforts to replenish the streams
with fish each winter with the return of the brood stock being wiped out at the
mouth of the rivers.  Our hatchery projects are simply a food factory for these
pests.  It is very unfortunate, but they simply have no fear due to their
protected status.  It's time to cull them out.


-- 
Howard



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From: Howard Itow <itow>
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Subject: NMFS OKs killing sea lions that eat steelhead **Solution??
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Hey, why not open up a fishing season on the Sea Lion?  Lets get Larry Dalhberg
out there with his new Shimano Tiagra Reels (80lb model) and stand up gear.
Simply play catch and release.  If the sea lion is stupid enough to chase down
a salmon off another line again, after being hooked, landed, and tagged by Blue
Marlin gear, then put it out of its misery.  What do you think?  Is this
sporty?
-- 
Howard 
Obviously, another angler who has lost fish to a sea lion



From alan_fisher@mail.fws.gov Tue Mar 26 22:49:55 EST 1996
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From: "Dr. Alan R. Fisher" <alan_fisher@mail.fws.gov>
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Subject: New FWS World Wide Web Server
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Hi Folks,

I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 
has launched another World Wide Web server.  This effort supports 
our goal of sharing our data and information.

The World Wide Web server, and its url (address), are:

     Region 4 (Southeast Region)

     http://www.fws.gov/~r4eao/

You can access this site directly at the url listed above, or 
you can access it through the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 
Home Page at

     http://www.fws.gov/

Also, if you would like to see a list of all of the U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife Service's servers, please visit

     http://www.fws.gov/servers.html


Thanks.  ...al

============================================================= 
Dr. Alan R. Fisher
National Data Administrator
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
303-275-2320
Internet mail: Alan_Fisher@mail.fws.gov 
FWS-Mail:      Fisher, Alan
=============================================================


From usb00787@interramp.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:55 EST 1996
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From: usb00787@interramp.com (Jim Blair)
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I'm a 16 year old that needs to ask a few questions of a couple of marine 
biologists for a school report.  If you are a marine biologist and wouldn't 
mind exchanging a couple of email notes, I'd sure appreciate it.

If so inclined, reply here or to:

JimBlair@interramp.com

Att'n:Laura

Thanks!



From MNMG81A@prodigy.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:56 EST 1996
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From: MNMG81A@prodigy.com (Richard Wallace)
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Get in touch with the Sea Grant College Program in your state. Its 
probably at the state university. They should have a bibliography on 
everything to do with  zebras.



From reakins@beak.com Tue Mar 26 22:49:57 EST 1996
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From: reakins@beak.com (Rob Eakins)
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Subject: FishBase
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I am interested in information on a CD-ROM database called FishBase.  I
understand that it was produced by ICLARMS but did not find any other
details.  Does anyone have any further details on this product?  Where can I
obtain it?  How much does it cost?  Are there any demos available?  Also, if
anyone has used FishBase and  could provide comments on its use, that would
be great!

Thanks,

Robert J. Eakins
Aquatic Biologist

reakins@beak.com

Beak Consultants Limited
Brampton, Ontario
www.beak.com




From jokim@tuna.mit.edu Tue Mar 26 22:49:57 EST 1996
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From: jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim)
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Subject: Re: Zebra Mussels
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Richard Wallace <MNMG81A@prodigy.com> wrote:

>Get in touch with the Sea Grant College Program in your state. Its 
>probably at the state university. They should have a bibliography on 
>everything to do with  zebras.

The National Sea Grant web site is:

  http://www.mdsg.umd.edu/NSGO/

It has addresses for all local Sea Grant programs.

John Kim
MIT Sea Grant, AUV Lab


-- 
John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan


From nafc@nafc.ac.uk Tue Mar 26 22:49:58 EST 1996
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Could anybody point me to sites or newsgroups dealing with the 
culture of Marron.

Thanx
P. Newton

nafc@nafc.ac.uk-- 
 



From kingjoc@mail.auburn.edu Tue Mar 26 22:49:59 EST 1996
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	You can E-mail Dr. Pauly at ICLARM (International Center for 
Living Aquatic Resources Management, based in Manila, the Philippines) at:

	iclarm@cgnet.com (INTERNET)	or
	ICLARM.MANILA (SCIENCENET).

================================================================


On 14 Mar 1996, Rob Eakins wrote:

> I am interested in information on a CD-ROM database called FishBase.  I
> understand that it was produced by ICLARMS but did not find any other
> details.  Does anyone have any further details on this product?  Where can I
> obtain it?  How much does it cost?  Are there any demos available?  Also, if
> anyone has used FishBase and  could provide comments on its use, that would
> be great!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert J. Eakins
> Aquatic Biologist
> 
> reakins@beak.com
> 
> Beak Consultants Limited
> Brampton, Ontario
> www.beak.com
> 
> 
> 
> 


From jfischer@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Tue Mar 26 22:49:59 EST 1996
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From: Johanne Fischer <jfischer@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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I am not sure if FishBase is already available. But there is another
recent database that might interest you:  

SPECIESDAB: Global Species Database for Fishery Purposes
FAO (Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations). 

You can order the disks (I don't know if they also distribute the program 
in form of CD-ROM) sending a request to:

FAO - Publications Division, Distribution and Sales Section
Viale delle Terme di Caracalla, 00100 Roma, Italia
Internet: publications-sales@fao.org
Fax/Telecopie: (396) 52253152 / 52255155

	Cheers, 		Johanne

On 14 Mar 1996, Rob Eakins wrote:

> I am interested in information on a CD-ROM database called FishBase.  I
> understand that it was produced by ICLARMS but did not find any other
> details.  Does anyone have any further details on this product?  Where can I
> obtain it?  How much does it cost?  Are there any demos available?  Also, if
> anyone has used FishBase and  could provide comments on its use, that would
> be great!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert J. Eakins
> Aquatic Biologist
> 
> reakins@beak.com
> 
> Beak Consultants Limited
> Brampton, Ontario
> www.beak.com
> 
> 
> 
> 


From raycolby@u.washington.edu Tue Mar 26 22:50:00 EST 1996
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From: "R. Colby" <raycolby@u.washington.edu>
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Subject: Spiralina
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:23:43 -0800
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I'd like to post something about growing spiralina at which point, to  use 
this to feed whales that are being domesticated for food.
It's like giving back something that is taken. I would guess that one 
would need a large flat land to pump salt water into and develop the 
spiralina. The whales in this case Gray whales would be monitered on 
there migrations and selectively herded for domestication and the eventuall
hunt. There would be seasons to farm the spiralina and hunt the whale.
THere's more that I'd like to disscuss. I think I'll give my hand a wrist.
Ray




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From: jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim)
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Perhaps someone in sci.bio.fisheries can answer Matthew's question?

Matthew Flaggert  <flaggert@bnr.ca> wrote:
|
| I can't decide the morality of this issue anymore than the next
| person, but the idea that taking a bass off its bed is not harmful
| to that bed is false.
|
| I have seen underwater footage of the "task at hand" for a bass
| guarding its eggs. The bluegill are lined up at the buffet. In the
| case of the film I saw, a repeated cast to the nest with a plastic
| worm was enough to drive off the bass, and it did not take 10
| seconds before there was nothing left for a bluegill to eat. It made
| a shark feeding frenzy look organized.
|
| The question in my mind is "Is it alright for bed fisherman to
| destroy every bed they can find?". I am not trying to be
| flippant. Maybe it is alright. I don't know. I also fish Texas
| lakes. I am no expert on Bass but the beds are fished there and the
| bass population seems to be doing just fine. I have heard that some
| bass will spawn way early, some way late, some spawn on beds not on
| shore, but rather quite deep. So maybe it just doesn't matter what
| happens to most of the beds. I have no idea. Its just something
| about making all those eggs available to their predators that
| strikes me as an activity that I want no part in...,


-- 
John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan


From mrquixote@aol.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:01 EST 1996
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From: mrquixote@aol.com (MrQuixote)
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It may be native wildlife (seals) eating fish, but they're doing it so
effectively because man has created locks where the fish are forced to
congregate with no real avenue of escape.  We've skewed the odds against
the steelhead.  They've tried everything else to even things up, including
trapping the offending seal lions and releasing them off Santa Barbara,
California, only to have the same ones show up at the locks two to four
weeks later, knife and fork in flipper, bib on, chowing down on the
seafood special.
So maybe there is another choice besides killing the sea lions.  We could
require them to blow up the locks and attempt to turn the waterway back to
nature.  You like that idea better?  (I shoulda never asked.)


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How to thaw seafood in bulk commercially? Any tips, suggestions,
sources?



From mcrafts@digital.net Tue Mar 26 22:50:02 EST 1996
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From: mcrafts@digital.net (Mark Crafts)
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jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) wrote:  

>The National Marine Fisheries Service just told Washington
>state's Department of Fish and Wildlife that it can kill any
>sea lion that (1) has a history of eating steelhead, (2) is
>oblivious to underwater noisemakers, and (3) is seen hunting
>steelhead this season.
>
>See http://www.cnn.com/wires/EARTH/03-14/sea_lions/index.html
>for more details.
>
>Followups to rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater and sci.bio.fisheries.

Oh god, the NMFS is the biggest bunch of idiots ever to step foot in
Washington.
"Hey!  There's native wildlife EATING FISH!  Let's kill them."

        Mark


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Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL
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      "You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough."


From cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Tue Mar 26 22:50:03 EST 1996
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From: cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Craig John Mushens)
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I am looking for any information on techniques for tetracycline
injection of bull trout for the purpose of future age
reference. I am also curious as to whether it has any effects on
maturation or spawning behaviour.

Please respond to the newsgroup or e-mail me at 
cjmushen@acs.ucalgary.ca

Thanks

Craig Mushens
Research Associate
University of Calgary


From cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Tue Mar 26 22:50:04 EST 1996
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I am curious as to whether anyone has had any luck aging bull trout
via scales (so I can keep tham alive!). The fish vary in age from
1 to 9+ years. If I can at least age them up to 5 years, it would
really help. 

Please e-mail me at cjmushen@acs.ucalgary.ca

Thanks

Craig Mushens
Research Associate
University of Calgary


From twain@salmon.nwfsc.noaa.gov Tue Mar 26 22:50:04 EST 1996
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John H. Kim wrote:
> Sea lions were an endangered, now threatened species.  Steelhead were
> an unlisted, now endangered species.  Both are currently protected under
> the endangered species act.  What do you do when one protected animal
> starts eating another?  The steelhead run in Washington is about 100
> fish right now.  Sea lions number around 10,000.  They've already tried
> John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
> jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
> jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan

A slight correction, John.  Steelhead are not listed anywhere under
the U.S. ESA.  They have been proposed for listing in the California-
Oregon border region ("Klamath Mountains Province") and have been
petitioned for listing everywhere in the lower 48 states, but none have
been listed at this time.

Also, the steelhead runs in Washington in general are quite strong.
It is Lake Washington where the run is so small.

-- 
Tom Wainwright, twain@salmon.nwfsc.noaa.gov
National Marine Fisheries Service
Northwest Fisheries Science Center, Seattle, Washington, USA
**Any views expressed are my own, and not those of the U.S. government**


From mbutler@TRENTU.CA Tue Mar 26 22:50:05 EST 1996
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I am reviewing "Red Spot" disease and its impact on muskellunge stocks.  
While I have been able to locate general information about the effects of 
this bacterium on fish in culture, I haven't been able to find any 
citations for research on impact upon wild fish populations.

Are there any managers/pathalogists out there who can steer me in the right 
direction?

Mike




From dolley@ibm.net Tue Mar 26 22:50:05 EST 1996
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Has any one had experience with Yellow Belly or Silver Perch in dams.
What will they do to plant life?
Will they stir up the bottom and make the water murky?

I am seeking more informatin before I decide to add these 
fish to my dam to try and control caddis flies.

I live in Queensland Australia.





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Mr. Kim, 

I am having some difficulties posting this, could you help me post
re: sea lions?  I would appreciate it.

Pleeeease don't kill the sea lions! I am sure the animal rights group
will love those furry animals for pets. Let each member of the animal 
rights group divvy up the sea lions and take them home as pets. I know 
they will give all the TLC. Whatever is going to be used for lawyers 
fees, I am sure they could use the money to feed them. Oh, by the way, 
they like steelheads. What to do? What to do? 

Also, do you think they would get back to Seattle from Florida?
Either via Panama Canal/Amtrak/Grey Hound/Air Lines/St. Lawrence River?
Hitchhiking?





From springs@imap2.asu.edu Tue Mar 26 22:50:06 EST 1996
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G'day Peter

On 20 Mar 1996, Peter D. wrote:

> Has any one had experience with Yellow Belly or Silver Perch in dams.
> What will they do to plant life?
> Will they stir up the bottom and make the water murky?
> 
> I am seeking more informatin before I decide to add these 
> fish to my dam to try and control caddis flies.

What's the big problem with caddis?  Anyway, I think you would be better 
of using some of the smaller native fish from your local area.  You could 
try contacting DPI for advice (if you can contact someone who knows about 
freshwater fish that is!).  You don't mention where in Qld you are.  
Another good alternative is to contact ANGFA Qld, they are an aquarium 
group who are into native fish.  They could probably help collect/obtain 
and suggest the most suitable local fish from your area.  Try emailling 
Adrian Tappin at atappin@ozemail.com.au as he is a member of that group 
and will be able to help you out.  Feel free to tell him that I suggested 
you contact him.

The goldens and silvers shouldn't be a problem.  Goldens won't touch the 
plants as they are carnivorous, however the silvers may as they are 
omniverous, meaning they eat both plants and animals.  Neither should 
make the water murky at a low stocking rate.  To control caddis however, 
I feel that the smaller fish would be better as you will get a higher 
density and they are more likely to eat caddis than the bigger fish.

Tootles

Peter J Unmack 
peter.unmack@asu.edu
PO Box 1454
Tempe  AZ  85280-1454, USA
---------------------------------------------------------------
DESERT FISHES RULE: To boldly thrive where no other fish can make it!

Check out the Australian desert fishes pages at
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/tnhc/.www/fish/dfc/dfc_top.html
just click on the Australian portion of the map



From lynk@gil.com.au Tue Mar 26 22:50:08 EST 1996
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Does anyone know what a wimble fish is and can you forward me some info. for 
my grandson's school project.
Thanks.       lynk@gil.com.au


From vineguy@aol.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:09 EST 1996
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From: vineguy@aol.com (VINEGUY)
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We would like info from anyone on finding a reliable source for quality
trout feed in our area. We use approx. 4k lbs. per month. 
Please E-mail me vineguy@aol.com with info.
This is for the Biltmore Estate Fishery, Asheville, NC.
Snail mail us at Biltmore Estate Fishery, One Biltmore Plaza, Asheville,
NC 28803.  Thanks in advance.


From scott@prc.utexas.edu Tue Mar 26 22:50:09 EST 1996
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From: scott@prc.utexas.edu (Scott Miller)
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I am interested in learning more about aquaculture
and fisheries management. Actually I am considering
returning to school for another degree. What I would
like to know is what is the state of aquaculture
today and what are its prospects for the future? Does
anyone know of examples of where it is working, perhaps
near the Austin Tx. area so that I might be able to
get a tour, and where it has failed? Also can you
suggest articles or books that might discuss this in
more detail? 

Scott


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Craig John Mushens <cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>I am curious as to whether anyone has had any luck aging bull trout
>via scales (so I can keep tham alive!). 

Fin rays?

	-Jeff.


From jokim@tuna.mit.edu Tue Mar 26 22:50:11 EST 1996
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From: jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim)
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In article <4ih3bg$9i9@digital.net>, Mark Crafts <mcrafts@digital.net> wrote:
>jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) wrote:  
>
>> The National Marine Fisheries Service just told Washington
>> state's Department of Fish and Wildlife that it can kill any
>> sea lion that (1) has a history of eating steelhead, (2) is
>> oblivious to underwater noisemakers, and (3) is seen hunting
>> steelhead this season.
>
> Oh god, the NMFS is the biggest bunch of idiots ever to step foot in
> Washington.
> "Hey!  There's native wildlife EATING FISH!  Let's kill them."

I guess I didn't include enough info.  I figured the steelhead/sea lion 
problem was pretty well known, but I guess you folks down in Florida are
a little detached from all this, Mark.

Sea lions were an endangered, now threatened species.  Steelhead were
an unlisted, now endangered species.  Both are currently protected under
the endangered species act.  What do you do when one protected animal
starts eating another?  The steelhead run in Washington is about 100
fish right now.  Sea lions number around 10,000.  They've already tried
noisemakers, playing orca sounds, shipping the "problem" sea lions to
Southern California (they swam back!).  I figured killing them would
eventually be inevitable.  I have to wonder what was the reasoning
behind a couple animal-rights groups filing a lawsuit against the
decision.
-- 
John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan


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In article <4iqs20$si1@cancer.vividnet.com>,
Curt Putnam <cputnam@vividnet.com> wrote:

>I can't argue your listings data, but I'd still like to propose Fur &
>Fin Trips.  On each sport boat, there should be a drawing - and the
>winner gets to shoot a (1) sea lion - if caught poaching fish from the
>boat's anglers.

This is a little ridiculous.  Poaching?  Who told the sea lions
that a fish on your line is your property?

AR activists anthropomorphize animal behavior to make them appear
more human-like.  Then they use this as an excuse to say they have
rights just like humans.  Please don't use the same trick to demonize
sea lions as an excuse to kill them.


-- 
John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan


From jensr Tue Mar 26 22:50:12 EST 1996
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From: Jens Rasmussen <jensr>
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Could anyone recommend me some litterature on the larval<>adult fish
competition between commercial fish of the North Sea?



From bz050@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Mar 26 22:50:12 EST 1996
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Hi,

can anybody help me; I need to knwo what species of Cynoscion, or sea
trout (sometimes called corvina) live in the Southeastern Pacific, i.e.
off the coast of South America.

Thanks!

Ciao!

Ben...


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Am working on experimental water purification with ozone for indoor 
aquaculture facilities and need citations or personal work on short term 
(under 12 hours) exposure tolerance of commericial (F/W mostly) fish to 
moderate levels of residual ozone.  Is there any cumulative exposure or C-t 
info besides the usual .002 ppm TLV recommendation?

Replies or inquiries to utzerath@execpc.com  




From ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:13 EST 1996
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It is available in http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html

M. Ishida  <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>



From cputnam@vividnet.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:14 EST 1996
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From: cputnam@vividnet.com (Curt Putnam)
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Tom Wainwright <twain@salmon.nwfsc.noaa.gov> wrote:

>A slight correction, John.  Steelhead are not listed anywhere under
>the U.S. ESA.  They have been proposed for listing in the California-
>Oregon border region ("Klamath Mountains Province") and have been
>petitioned for listing everywhere in the lower 48 states, but none have
>been listed at this time.

>Also, the steelhead runs in Washington in general are quite strong.
>It is Lake Washington where the run is so small.

>-- 
>Tom Wainwright, twain@salmon.nwfsc.noaa.gov
>National Marine Fisheries Service
>Northwest Fisheries Science Center, Seattle, Washington, USA
>**Any views expressed are my own, and not those of the U.S. government**

Tom,

I can't argue your listings data, but I'd still like to propose Fur &
Fin Trips.  On each sport boat, there should be a drawing - and the
winner gets to shoot a (1) sea lion - if caught poaching fish from the
boat's anglers.



From jtolan@tiger.lsu.edu Tue Mar 26 22:50:14 EST 1996
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Jens Rasmussen (jensr) wrote:
: Could anyone recommend me some litterature on the larval<>adult fish
: competition between commercial fish of the North Sea?

To: jensr (Jens Rasmussen)
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In article <4iu7h2$i4@gjallar.daimi.aau.dk> you wrote:
: Could anyone recommend me some litterature on the larval<>adult fish
: competition between commercial fish of the North Sea?

Competition for what?  Resource allocations are completely different for 
larval and adult populations.  I'm intrigued by your request, I work 
specifically with larval fish.  (Reef fish immigration to oil and gas 
platforms in the Gulf of Mexico, commercially imporatant species 
immigrating into coastal nursery areas (seagrass beds) as larvae, etc).
I'm willing to correspond back if you think you could use my expertise.

Jim Tolan
Coastal Fisheries Institute Louisiana State University




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In article 1hj@barad-dur.nas.com, Bob McClure <rhayman@sos.net> () writes:
>Pssst!  These sealions aren't native to Puget Sound!
>


So, are they hatchery raised?
---



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Pssst!  These sealions aren't native to Puget Sound!



From hopkins@sulmail.stanford.edu Tue Mar 26 22:50:16 EST 1996
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WANTED: FISH FARM MANAGER OR TECH POSITION
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Bellingham, WA USA 98225
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(360) 647 - 8962

Graduate of Auburn University's aquaculture program.  Two years commer-
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agment levels with intensive, semi-intensive, and extensive systems. Ex-
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From jimpook@wimsey.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:16 EST 1996
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I don't pretend to be an expert on this issue, but here's my opinion for
what it is worth:

The sealions have all but wiped out this one run of steelhead. They get
trapped in front of the locks and the sealions feast on them.

Ever since there has been a total ban on killing seals and sealions on the
Pacific coast, their populations have exploded. They have rebounded very
well!

What is needed now is a well regulated culling of the heards. Not a return
to the old days of "let's kill them all."

The real shame here is that this one bunch of sealions were not shot and
killed three or four years ago when there were still a good number of
steelhead in this one run. Now that we ARE allowed to shoot them - it may be
too late - thanks again to political correctness.

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------------------------------------------------------------------------
In article <4it7oa$t58@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
John H. Kim <jokim@tuna.mit.edu> wrote:
>In article <4iqs20$si1@cancer.vividnet.com>,
>Curt Putnam <cputnam@vividnet.com> wrote:
>
>>I can't argue your listings data, but I'd still like to propose Fur &
>>Fin Trips.  On each sport boat, there should be a drawing - and the
>>winner gets to shoot a (1) sea lion - if caught poaching fish from the
>>boat's anglers.
>
>This is a little ridiculous.  Poaching?  Who told the sea lions
>that a fish on your line is your property?
>
>AR activists anthropomorphize animal behavior to make them appear
>more human-like.  Then they use this as an excuse to say they have
>rights just like humans.  Please don't use the same trick to demonize
>sea lions as an excuse to kill them.
>
>
>-- 
>John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
>jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
>jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan


-- 
 


From hopkins@sulmail.stanford.edu Tue Mar 26 22:50:17 EST 1996
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1016 Key Street
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(360) 671 - 5343
(360) 647 - 8962 fax

Graduate of Auburn University's aquaculture program.  Two years 
commercial experience in fish production (tilapia) at both the 
technician and managment levels with intensive, semi-intensive, and 
extensive systems.  Extensive research on integrated aquaculture/ 
hydroponics.  Call or write fo a complete resume.




From kenacks@delphi.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:18 EST 1996
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Please Email any info you have to Dbrad631@AOL.com.
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From irina.bosse@desy.de Tue Mar 26 22:50:19 EST 1996
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Hi,

I heard about a research project concerning a special fish that shall
provide 5 times more energy for its brain than human people do in
relation to their metabolisme.
Is there anybody  who could give me a clue, where to search for or
where to find more infos?

With best regards
Irina Bosse

_______________________________________________________________
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On 21 Mar 1996, Scott Miller wrote:

> 
> I am interested in learning more about aquaculture
> and fisheries management. Actually I am considering
> returning to school for another degree. What I would
> like to know is what is the state of aquaculture
> today and what are its prospects for the future? Does
> anyone know of examples of where it is working, perhaps
> near the Austin Tx. area so that I might be able to
> get a tour, and where it has failed? Also can you
> suggest articles or books that might discuss this in
> more detail? 
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
If you are really interrested in aquaculture, Check out

http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~~jdcaluwe

the web page of the Laboratory of Aquaculture 
                    and Artemia Reference Center
                    Rozier 44
		    9000 Gent
		      Belgium


From flip214@aol.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:20 EST 1996
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After nearly six years my goldfish finally was laid to rest at the
porcelan alter.  I got to wondering if it had a long life.  I got (him?)
as a plain feeder goldfish from the pet store.  (He was originally
designated as stingray food)  but fortunately for him the ray prefered
shrimp.  Anyway he lived nearly six years is that a long time for a
goldfish?
Thanks
Greg


From troutunl@freenet.calgary.ab.ca Tue Mar 26 22:50:21 EST 1996
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Subject: Forest-Fish Conference Web Site
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Trout Unlimited Canada is pleased to announce the arrival of a Web site for
the Forest Fish Conference, which will be held in Calgary from May 1-4,
1996. The site contains registration information, details on how to obtain
conference proceedings, tentative listings of presentations, and valuable
recreation information on Calgary and Alberta.

The site's URL is http://advenue.com/tuc.html

For additional information, please feel free to e-mail us at
troutunl@freenet.calgary.ab.ca

See you in Calgary!


From swalker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk Tue Mar 26 22:50:22 EST 1996
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From: swalker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Stephen Walker)
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In article <4imu7v$15uc@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Craig John Mushens) writes:
>From: cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Craig John Mushens)
>Subject: Tetracycline Tagging
>Date: 19 Mar 1996 18:26:07 GMT

>I am looking for any information on techniques for tetracycline
>injection of bull trout for the purpose of future age
>reference. I am also curious as to whether it has any effects on
>maturation or spawning behaviour.

>Please respond to the newsgroup or e-mail me at 
>cjmushen@acs.ucalgary.ca

Which calcified structures do you intend to mark? Monaghan (1993) induced 
marks in the otoliths of Summer Flounder using tetracycline and calcein at 25 
and 50 mg/kg. He found that tetracycline appeared detrimental to the health 
of the fish, while calcein did not. Injection was intramuscular, between the 
dorsal fin and lateral line.

I have used the same protocol to mark rainbow trout otoliths with calcein at 
approx. 30 mg/kg and found this effective. Mortality due to the treatment was 
negligible.

The reference is;

Monaghan, J.P. (1993) Comparison of calcein and tetracycline as chemical 
markers in Summer Flounder. Trans. Am. Fish. Soc. 122 No.2  pp298-301

Regards, 

Steve Walker

Steve Walker_________|swalker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk| My opinion only.
>From  where I'm sitting, you lot don't all pass the Turing test.


From Vincent.R.Segafredo@awo.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:22 EST 1996
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Jim Pook wrote:
> 
> I don't pretend to be an expert on this issue, but here's my opinion for
> what it is worth:
> 
> The sealions have all but wiped out this one run of steelhead. They get
> trapped in front of the locks and the sealions feast on them.
> 
> Ever since there has been a total ban on killing seals and sealions on the
> Pacific coast, their populations have exploded. They have rebounded very
> well!
> 
> What is needed now is a well regulated culling of the heards. Not a return
> to the old days of "let's kill them all."
> 
> The real shame here is that this one bunch of sealions were not shot and
> killed three or four years ago when there were still a good number of
> steelhead in this one run. Now that we ARE allowed to shoot them - it may be
> too late - thanks again to political correctness.
> 
> =============================================================================> - Jim Pook      -  Jim's Fishing Charters    -  The Fishing Guide Newsletter
>      #316 - 2750 Cooperative Way, Vancouver, B.C., Canada, V5M 4S3
>   Contact me about Salmon & Halibut fishing in SuperNatural British Columbia
>            E-Mail: jimpook@vanbc.wimsey.com - Phone: (604) 433-8817
>                URL: http://vanbc.wimsey.com/~jimpook/index.html
> 
>           Many men go fishing all their lives
>           without knowing that it is not fish they are after.
>                                                     -  Henry David Thoreau
> =============================================================================
Nice post Jim.  It would be nice to let nature be, but since man has stacked 
all the odds in the fur balls favor against the steelhead & salmon.  I don't 
see any other option.

Vince


From torh@nfh.uit.no Tue Mar 26 22:50:23 EST 1996
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From: torh@nfh.uit.no (Tor Haug)
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Subject: Re: Tetracycline Tagging
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In article <4imu7v$15uc@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Craig John Mushens) wrote:

> I am looking for any information on techniques for tetracycline
> injection of bull trout for the purpose of future age
> reference. I am also curious as to whether it has any effects on
> maturation or spawning behaviour.
> 
> Please respond to the newsgroup or e-mail me at 
> cjmushen@acs.ucalgary.ca
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Craig Mushens
> Research Associate
> University of Calgary


Here are some references that may help you:

Choate, J. (1964). Use of tetracycline drugs to mark advanced fry and
fingerling brook trout (Salvelinus fontinalis). Trans. Am. Fish. Soc.,
93:309-311.

Hettler, W.F. (1984). Marking otoliths by immersion of marine fish larvae
in tetracycline. Trans. Am. Fish. Soc., 113:370-373.

Kobayashi, S., Yuki, R., Furui, T. & Kosugiyama, T. (1964). Calcification
in fish and shell-fish -I. Tetracycline labelling patterns on scale,
centrum and otolith in young goldfish. Bull.  Jap. Soc. Sci. Fish.,
30:6-13.

Koenings, J.P., Lipton, J. & McKay, P. (1986). Quantitative determination
of oxytetracycline uptake and release by juvenile sockeye salmon. Trans.
Am. Fish. Soc., 115:621-629.

McFarlane, G.A. & Beamish, R.J. (1987). Selection of dosages of
oxytetracycline for age validation studies. Can. J. Fish. Aquat. Sci.,
44:905-909.

Meunier, F.J. & Boivin, G. (1978). Action de la fluorescéine, de
l'alizarine, du bleu de calcéine et de diverse doses de tétracycline sur
la croissance de la truie et de la carpe. Ann. Biol. Anim. Bioch.
Biophys., 18:1293-1308.

Odense, P.H. & Logan, V.H. (1974). Marking atlantic salmon (Salmo salar)
with oxytetracycline. J. Fish. Res. Bd. Can., 31:348-350.

Scidmore, W.J. & Olson, D.E. (1969). Marking walleye fingerlings with
oxytetracycline antibiotic. Prog. Fish Cult., 31:213-216.

Szedlmayer, S.T. & Howe, J.C. (1995). An evaluation of six marking methods
for age-0 red drum, Sciaenops ocellatus. Fish. Bull., 93:191-195.

Wahl, D.H. & Stein, R.A. (1987). Application of liquid oxytetracycline in
formulated feeds to mark and treat tiger muskellunge (Northern Pike x
Muskellunge). Prog. Fish Cult., 49:312-314.

Weber, D. & Ridgeway, G.J. (1962). The disposition of tetracycline drugs
in bones and scales of fish and its possible use for marking. Prog. Fish
Cult., 24:150-155.

Weber, D. & Ridgeway, G.J. (1967). Marking pasific salmon with
tetracycline antibiotics. J. Fish. Res. Bd. Can., 22:849-865.


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-- 
Tor Haug (torh@nfh.uit.no)
The Norwegian College of Fishery Science
University of Tromsø
Norway


From seachum@aol.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:23 EST 1996
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Do you mean Spirulina, the blue-green alga?  Why did you choose this
genus?  I did some work with the relative nutritional values of various
species of marine phytoplankton as food in aquaculture studies at Oregon
State and found that, in general, the Cyanophyta aren't highly nutritious.
 Diatom species, some dinoflagellates, and some Cryptomonads had much
higher nutritional values.  I am really interested in what you are
proposing to do.  I am a fisheries biologist in Florida. 


From cookj@landcare.cri.nz Tue Mar 26 22:50:24 EST 1996
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From: cookj@landcare.cri.nz (Jeremy Cook)
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In article <4j3uo5$5lt@dscomsa.desy.de> irina.bosse@desy.de (Irina Bosse) writes:
>From: irina.bosse@desy.de (Irina Bosse)
>Subject: Intelligent fish
>Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:53:48 GMT

>Hi,

>I heard about a research project concerning a special fish that shall
>provide 5 times more energy for its brain than human people do in
>relation to their metabolisme.
>Is there anybody  who could give me a clue, where to search for or
>where to find more infos?

>With best regards
>Irina Bosse

New Scientist; 9 March '96, pg 20; "Fish Nose Ahead of Humans in Greedy Brain 
Stakes."

Jeremy




From vertay@aol.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:24 EST 1996
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I need to design an experimental setup which will expose a female of a
killie to a male in two different strategies: 1) female and male are
physically isolated but in view of each other 2) female is exposed to
water in which male(s) are residing (or have resided?).  I want to look at
changes in the gonads of the female under these two conditions.  Any
suggestions or literature references would be greatly appreciated.

D. Scott Taylor


From toro@wasser.bauingenieure.uni-kassel.de Tue Mar 26 22:50:25 EST 1996
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From: toro@wasser.bauingenieure.uni-kassel.de (Thomas Roesch)
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Hi everybody,

I have a question about the effects of high oxygen concentrations to the 
aquatic life.
As it is well know, low oxygen concentrations have great effects to fishes 
and macroinvertebrates. But I have not found anything about high 
concentrations. So my question is:
Are there any effects to fishes or other living things in the water at high 
oxygen concentrations (above 150% saturation)? Or what happens at daily 
increasing and decreasing oxygen concentrations with high amplitudes?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Thomas

-- 
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       e-mail  toro@wasser.bauingenieure.uni-kassel.de
       http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb14/wasserbau/Welcome.html



From buschhor@ns.poweramp.net Tue Mar 26 22:50:26 EST 1996
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Is it possible to grow mayflies in a fish aquarium?

I want to have a biological model for fly tying and perhaps a nice 
source of fish food?

Caddis flies would be nice as well as dragonfly nymphs (to keep down the 
tetra population).

Do they need a flow of water?

Can anyone help me?

David Buschhorn


From rhillis@aic.com Tue Mar 26 22:50:26 EST 1996
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Jim Pook wrote:
> 
> I don't pretend to be an expert on this issue, but here's my opinion for
> what it is worth:
> 
> The sealions have all but wiped out this one run of steelhead. They get
> trapped in front of the locks and the sealions feast on them.
> 
> Ever since there has been a total ban on killing seals and sealions on the
> Pacific coast, their populations have exploded. They have rebounded very
> well!
> 
> What is needed now is a well regulated culling of the heards. Not a return
> to the old days of "let's kill them all."
> 
> The real shame here is that this one bunch of sealions were not shot and
> killed three or four years ago when there were still a good number of
> steelhead in this one run. Now that we ARE allowed to shoot them - it may be
> too late - thanks again to political correctness.
> 
> =============================================================================
> - Jim Pook      -  Jim's Fishing Charters    -  The Fishing Guide Newsletter
>      #316 - 2750 Cooperative Way, Vancouver, B.C., Canada, V5M 4S3
>   Contact me about Salmon & Halibut fishing in SuperNatural British Columbia
>            E-Mail: jimpook@vanbc.wimsey.com - Phone: (604) 433-8817
>                URL: http://vanbc.wimsey.com/~jimpook/index.html
> 
>           Many men go fishing all their lives
>           without knowing that it is not fish they are after.
>                                                     -  Henry David Thoreau
> =============================================================================
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> In article <4it7oa$t58@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
> John H. Kim <jokim@tuna.mit.edu> wrote:
> >In article <4iqs20$si1@cancer.vividnet.com>,
> >Curt Putnam <cputnam@vividnet.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I can't argue your listings data, but I'd still like to propose Fur &
> >>Fin Trips.  On each sport boat, there should be a drawing - and the
> >>winner gets to shoot a (1) sea lion - if caught poaching fish from the
> >>boat's anglers.
> >
> >This is a little ridiculous.  Poaching?  Who told the sea lions
> >that a fish on your line is your property?
> >
> >AR activists anthropomorphize animal behavior to make them appear
> >more human-like.  Then they use this as an excuse to say they have
> >rights just like humans.  Please don't use the same trick to demonize
> >sea lions as an excuse to kill them.
> >
> >
> >--
> >John H. Kim         "A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight
> >jokim@mit.edu       for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in
> >jokim@tuna.mit.edu  a national election."  -- Bill Vaughan
> 
> --
> 	I just think it is sad when we start blaming an anamal for problems we created.


From s-hughes@nwu.edu Tue Apr  2 00:14:35 EST 1996
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From: s-hughes@nwu.edu (Susan L. Hughes)
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I have a small (1 to 1/2 acre or so) natural pond on Cape Cod whose
boundaries fluctuate a great deal with rainy and dry seasons.  The pond is
only a few feet deep and very, very muddy.  Aside from an occasional
turtle and a number of noisy frogs, I have never noticed any fish in the
pond. My questions are:

1) How small/shallow/muddy can a pond be to support small, indigenous fish such
as bluegill/panfish...even minnows.

2) If such a small, shallow and muddy pond could be a viable fish pond,
how might I most easily procure bluegills/panfish/minnows, etc.

I already tried this question in rec.ponds and received very little
response.  Any ideas out there?  Any good books I should seek out?

Thank you very much in advance.

Susan.

-- 
Susan L. Hughes
Northwestern University
s-hughes@nwu.edu


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From: s-hughes@nwu.edu (Susan L. Hughes)
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In article <4j8v33$aeh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, flip214@aol.com (Flip214) wrote:

> I also can't recite my source but I seem to recall sailfish topping out
> around 50 kts.  I'm pretty certain the Wahoo is the fastest fish in the
> ocean  with speeds reported to be over 70 kts.  I know they are faster
> than sailfish.
> Greg

How fast are tuna? I recall a _Scientific American_ article marveling
about the blue fin's ability to "jet propel" water through its gills.  I
can't remember how fast they actually got.  Maybe they just have a high
cruising speed.

Susan.

-- 
Susan L. Hughes
Northwestern University
s-hughes@nwu.edu


From raycolby@u.washington.edu Tue Apr  2 00:14:36 EST 1996
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Dear Seachum
You are certainly right about the nutritional values not found in blue
green alga. One would guess that you would want the highest protien values
you could get from marine phytoplankton and stay away from spriulina if
you were to make a buck. I think that using Spirulina as a meal for
domesticating the whales and all other small fish species all at the same
time. They would all be drawn to the feeding areas. First to grow the
Spirulina at a high altitudes with the aid of pumping in large amounts of
salt water and then letting the alga grow as it only would and harvest the
crop to be used to dump into designated whale migrating areas. We could
monitor the migrations of Gray whales, start feeding these areas with this
low grade alga thus developing a cause and effect that would in turn allow
in this case the Makah indians to select the few whales needed for their
hunting season. Where to grow all this? I would like to think that we
would be able to work this out with another Eastern Washington tribe. The
areas in eastern state are high alltitude and flat, and are within the
groups of confederated indian tribes. It would seem that between indians
there would be a commitment to strive to keep our ancestors customs.
Get back to me again.
Ray








On 23 Mar 1996, Seachum wrote:

> Date: 23 Mar 1996 21:06:01 -0500
> From: Seachum <seachum@aol.com>
> Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
> Subject: Re: Spiralina
>
> Do you mean Spirulina, the blue-green alga?  Why did you choose this
> genus?  I did some work with the relative nutritional values of various
> species of marine phytoplankton as food in aquaculture studies at Oregon
> State and found that, in general, the Cyanophyta aren't highly nutritious.
>  Diatom species, some dinoflagellates, and some Cryptomonads had much
> higher nutritional values.  I am really interested in what you are
> proposing to do.  I am a fisheries biologist in Florida.
>
>
>



From pjonke Tue Apr  2 00:14:36 EST 1996
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From: Patrick Jonke <pjonke>
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Subject: Fastest Sea Creature?
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My housemate and I were discussing the car commercial in which it is 
claimed that the cheetah is the "fastest creature on Earth".

I said the statement is obviously wrong, as swifts can easily top 100 mph 
in a dive, but my housemate (who must have a bit of lawyer in him) says a 
flying bird is not technically "on Earth". 

However, he then went on to say that sailfish are known to hit speeds up 
to 80 knots. I disputed this claim, as it seemed to me that:

A) due to increasing drag, the tremendous energy required to go that fast 
in water would far exceed the additional calories the sailfish could gain 
>from  whatever additional prey it obtained, and,

B) Only the largest sailfish could reach that speed, if at all, and 
full-grown, healthy sailfish have no predators to chase them.

As evidence, I introduced the 1996 edition of the Guiness Book of 
Records, which states that the fastest speed ever documented for a fish 
was 68 mph (~ 60 knots) for a sailfish off Florida.

Nonetheless, my housemate, a fisheries biologist, claimed to have seen 
recent scientific evidence that sailfish can hit 80 knots. He cannot 
recall where he saw the information (typical lawyer).

Has anyone else seen this information?

Patrick Jonke

pjonke@soest.hawaii.edu




From flip214@aol.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:37 EST 1996
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I also can't recite my source but I seem to recall sailfish topping out
around 50 kts.  I'm pretty certain the Wahoo is the fastest fish in the
ocean  with speeds reported to be over 70 kts.  I know they are faster
than sailfish.
Greg


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Je suis à la recherche d'un stage en écotoxicologie marine ou
dans un domaine voisin, pour l'année 1997. Ceci se ferait dans
le cadre du DESS Pollution Chimique et Environnement, voire
une autre formation de troisième cycle proche de celle-çi.
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From isaksons@gate.net Tue Apr  2 00:14:38 EST 1996
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Hi all,

I am doing a study on the presence of Fecal Coliform bacteria in the wastewater of  fish farms.
 I am looking for any material that indicates wether this is due to domestic waste in groundwater 
entering the waste effluentor if it is native to fish hatchery wastewater.

If anyone can suggest sources of information I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.
     Steve Isakson  email:isaksons@gate.net


From cl_deca@alcor.concordia.ca Tue Apr  2 00:14:38 EST 1996
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A well cared for goldfish can live for 18 to 20 years and get quite large.


On 24 Mar 1996, Flip214 wrote:

> After nearly six years my goldfish finally was laid to rest at the
> porcelan alter.  I got to wondering if it had a long life.  I got (him?)
> as a plain feeder goldfish from the pet store.  (He was originally
> designated as stingray food)  but fortunately for him the ray prefered
> shrimp.  Anyway he lived nearly six years is that a long time for a
> goldfish?
> Thanks
> Greg
> 
> 


From fialab@flowinjection.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:39 EST 1996
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Alitea USA is a leading manufacturer of flow injection and related precision instruments. 

Please visit our homepage at http://www.flowinjection.com/flowinjection/

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Thank you




From seafrdl@icrdl.net Tue Apr  2 00:14:40 EST 1996
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I would be grateful if anyone could help me on eel (Anguilla rostrata) 
marking or tagging methodology. Next summer, we want to mark juvenile eel 
(average lenght : 220 mm) during field work for studies on migration in a 
small stream. We want to apply a permanent mark to follow eels during a 3 
month period.
Any info is appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Guy Verreault, Fish. bio.



From slscott@sfsu.edu Tue Apr  2 00:14:40 EST 1996
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From: slscott@sfsu.edu (STACY LEAH SCOTT)
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In J.L. Hart, =Pacific Fishes of Canada= (1973), a reference is made
(p. 116) to a study by J.R. Brett and D. MacKinnon, "Some observations
on olfactory perception in migrating adult coho and spring salmon,"
(1952, Fish Res. Board Can. Pac. Progr. Rpt. 90:21-23), to coho being
". . . turned back by the odour of mammalian skin extracts in the 
water."  Is anyone aware of more recent work on this?

Thanks,
Stacy Scott
slscott@sfsu.edu


From atdepth@aol.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:41 EST 1996
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From: atdepth@aol.com (Atdepth)
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I am conducting research on Shark Atatcks.  While I have been conducting
an extensive review of previous such research I though it would not hurt
to ask people in the newgroup.  Has anyone out there conducted such
research or know of any good resources?

Please Advise,
Atdepth@aol.com


From mchris@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Tue Apr  2 00:14:41 EST 1996
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From: mchris@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (Mike Christensen ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT)
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isaksons@gate.net wrote:
: Hi all,

: I am doing a study on the presence of Fecal Coliform bacteria in the wastewater of  fish farms.
:  I am looking for any material that indicates wether this is due to domestic waste in groundwater 
: entering the waste effluentor if it is native to fish hatchery wastewater.

: If anyone can suggest sources of information I would greatly appreciate it.

: Thanks.
:      Steve Isakson  email:isaksons@gate.net

I don't know right off hand any references, but probably any one of the 
general purpose aquaculture books published by Elsevier Publishing would 
have the info.  However, just fyi, fecal coliforms are not produced by 
fish, only by mammals.  But just to remember that means any mammal, 
including small rodents running around a farm, or cattle, or dogs, or 
etc., etc.  The primary problems with fish waste discharge are nutrient 
discharges resulting in eutrophication of receiving streams (eg 
phosphorous, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate).  We are curently working or 
research to this effect, the use of recirculating systems to reduce 
discharge and the use of constructed wetlands to treat the waste prior to 
discharge.

Hope that helps,
Mike


From pvannini@texnet.it Tue Apr  2 00:14:42 EST 1996
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Hi,

we're starting a bass tagging program. We got Floy FD-4 anchor tags and
tagging guns. 
What's the best way to tag bass with above tags??
Thanks in advance for your help.

Paolo Vannini
pvannini@texnet.it


From brett3@ix.netcom.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:43 EST 1996
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In <4jc0kt$2k9i@news.gate.net> isaksons@gate.net writes: 
>
>Hi all,
>
>I am doing a study on the presence of Fecal Coliform bacteria in the
wastewater of  fish farms.
> I am looking for any material that indicates wether this is due to
domestic waste in groundwater 
>entering the waste effluentor if it is native to fish hatchery
wastewater.
>
>If anyone can suggest sources of information I would greatly
appreciate it.
>
>Thanks.
>     Steve Isakson  email:isaksons@gate.net
Steve,

Be very careful in doing your identification of fecal coliforms.  I'm
no expert, but I know of at least one case where a similar bacteria was
misidentified in an aquaculture facility waste stream.  Fish don't
produce fecal coliforms, mammals do.  Dilute fish waste is fairly
benign.  In fact many aquaculture facilities (like the one I work at)
impound nutrient rich, silt laden water and discharge, clear, clean
water.  In many cases, fish wastes can be concentrated and treated
seperately from the general discharge.  Compared to most traditional
agricultural (non point) discharges, as well as industrial and
residential (point) discharges, fish water is very clean indeed, in
fact, fish are living in it.  Regulators give fish culture facilities a
lot of attention to appear that they are actually doing something. 
Meanwhile, agricultural, industrial, and residential discharges are
largely ignored, or rubber stamped.  Of course most fish farmers
haven't much money to spread around.

As a science fair project, my 10 year old daughter and I tested ammonia
and nitrates at several locations in two streams near our home.  One
has several fish farms located along it, the other has no fish farms,
but a waste treatment plant discharging treated residential wastes.  We
found nitrates and ammonia near zero along the stream with the fish
farms along it, but the other stream had readings above 100 ppm for
nitrates, and 0.5 ppm for ammonia near the treatment plant, and
detectable levels all the way to the coast, even after several other
streams entered it and diluted it.  We plan to look again during the
rice irrigation season to see how that affects our readings in the two
streams (both have lots of rice farms).

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas


From mbrozowsk1@aol.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:44 EST 1996
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From: mbrozowsk1@aol.com (MBrozowsk1)
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I am writing a term paper on freshwater fish species.  Does anyone out
there know any good sites on the internet to find some information?  Or
does anyone have documents about this subject?  If you do and you don't
mind exchanging info, please e-mail me.  Thanks

MBrozowsk1@aol.com

Matt Brozowski


From K.S.Kolla@hifi.hull.ac.uk Tue Apr  2 00:14:44 EST 1996
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Please ignore. I am just testing.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Every great spirit in this world has faced violent opposition from  
mediocre minds.
						*Albert Einstein*.

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Cheers!
Krishna.
K.S.Kolla@hifi.hull.ac.uk



From Behrouz.ZandiehDoulabi@alg.venv.wau.nl Tue Apr  2 00:14:45 EST 1996
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From: Behrouz Zandieh Doulabi <Behrouz.ZandiehDoulabi@alg.venv.wau.nl>
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Hallo everybody


I am looking for any information about techniqes and protocols to 
cryo-conserve sperms and embryos especially for common carp and african 
catfish.

Please respond to news group or e-mail me at:

Behrouz.ZandiehDoulabi@alg.venv.wau.nl



Thanks



From cmbsharks@aol.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:45 EST 1996
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You might want to contact George Burgess.  He maintains the International
Shark Attack File.


From phe@gill.ifmt.nf.ca Tue Apr  2 00:14:46 EST 1996
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From: phe <phe@gill.ifmt.nf.ca>
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Subject: Re: Fastest Sea Creature?
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Susan L. Hughes wrote:
> 
> In article <4j8v33$aeh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, flip214@aol.com (Flip214) wrote:
> 
> > I also can't recite my source but I seem to recall sailfish topping out
> > around 50 kts.  I'm pretty certain the Wahoo is the fastest fish in the
> > ocean  with speeds reported to be over 70 kts.  I know they are faster
> > than sailfish.
> > Greg
> 
> How fast are tuna? I recall a _Scientific American_ article marveling
> about the blue fin's ability to "jet propel" water through its gills.  I
> can't remember how fast they actually got.  Maybe they just have a high
> cruising speed.
> 
> Susan.
> 
> --
> Susan L. Hughes
> Northwestern University
> s-hughes@nwu.edu


Recorded fastest speed is swordfish of 2 meters long traveling at 25 m/s 
or 50 knots.  Yellowfin tuna and wahoo of about 1 meter long can swim at 
around 21 - 22 m/s. 

P. He.
Marine Institute



From gene@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov Tue Apr  2 00:14:46 EST 1996
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From: gene carl feldman <gene@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov>
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Subject: In Search of Giant Squid
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Hi,
I am pleased to announce that the Smithsonian's Online version of the
exhibition at the National Museum of Natural History entitled 
"In Search of Giant Squid" is now available on the World Wide Web at:

http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/squid.html

This exhibition explores and interprets the mystery, beauty and
complexity of giant squids - the world's largest invertebrates.

best regards,
gene carl feldman


From doomanis@aol.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:47 EST 1996
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Subject: Alligator Gar 4 Sale
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I have a perfect Alligator Gar for sale - I am in the Los Angeles area. 
It has outgrown the tank and is now about 14 inches long.

I will take the best offer or take other aquaria items (or whatever) in
trade.  If you are interested please e-mail me (don't post to group - I
probably won't see it).

Thanks,

P. C.


From SBD@enveng.demon.co.uk Tue Apr  2 00:14:47 EST 1996
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Dear All,

I am a graduate from Hull International Fisheries Institute, and am
now likely to be awarded a scholarship from the AQUA-TT (an EU
initiative on fisheries).  As such, I am searching for a placement
opportunity, for between 3 and 6 months, with a suitable organisation
within the EU (but not the UK!).

AQUA-TT will fund the placement, at no cost your organisation 
(although accommodation will need to be provided).

I have gained over 15 months experience in aquaculture and aquatic
ecology since my graduation, and this is now an ideal opportunity to
further my education, while also benefiting your organisation (most
establishments, ranging from small fish farms to academic research
centres are eligible for the scheme).

If you have a suitable position, or require further information,
please contact Steven Fletcher (using the e-mail address below, or
call on +44 114 2473519).  If you cannot participate directly,
contacts and suggestions regarding suitable organisations would also
be most appreciated.

Yours,

Steven Fletcher.

Contact:  Sid Duty  SBD@enveng.demon.co.uk   Thanks



From bfish@vixa.voyager.net Tue Apr  2 00:14:48 EST 1996
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From: Bruce A Fisher <bfish@vixa.voyager.net>
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I am concidering starting a fish farm / fishery and would like 
some info or web sits that would give info on starting a farm what 
type of personel I should hire ( as I have no experience in this 
feild ) the best types of fish to raise and types of ponds and 
feed.

Thank you, Bruce A Fisher.



From gsharp@igc.apc.org Tue Apr  2 00:14:48 EST 1996
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From: Gary Sharp <gsharp@igc.apc.org>
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Subject: Re: Fastest Sea Creature?
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Hi!
The question needs to be framed in another manner>
Sea Creature? Fish, mammal, boid?

Fish, large marlins eat large tunas, probably by chasing them down.
Larger toothed whales eat whatever they want.
Penguins are pretty fast too, on a scale of things.
Big hammerheads can chase down any sea lion, or most fishes, in an 
amazing show of "beam me THERE" style they appear to be siperfast.
Wahoo, Ono, are lurking pradtors, with blinding strike speeds, but any 
large fish might have similar capabilities, over some distances.

gsharp


From 98cwilson@kamsc.k12.mi.us Tue Apr  2 00:14:49 EST 1996
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Keyword: Daphnia Magna Atropine

For a chemistry project at school, a group of friends and I have to conduct a 
little bit of reasearch.  We have chosen to do an ethnobotanical study of the 
plant Datura stramonium.  From this plant comes two of the chemicals, which 
are the reason for its toxicity.  Since we are only in tenth grade, we can't 
test these chemicals on humans. ^_^  So we decided to test the heart rate of 
Daphnia Manga when they were subjected to different amounts of the chemicals 
atropine and hyoscyamine.  I have found out that there have been studies done 
on Daphnia with atropine.  If anyone knows where I can find the literature of 
these studies or can find someone to contact, I would be truly grateful.  If 
you can reply, please do so through e-mail.  Thank you.



From gph@pluto.njcc.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:49 EST 1996
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The David Suzuki Foundation is a federally 
registered Canadian charity working to design 
a future in which humans live within the 
planet's productive capacity.  It is finding 
and supporting practical steps to make that 
vision a reality.

The David Suzuki Foundation is proud to 
announce its presence on the WWW.  If you 
would like to visit the site, the URL is as 
follows:

http://www.vkool.com/suzuki/

Information about two major Canadian 
Fisheries Reports is available online.



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To those interested:

The Table of Contents of Scientific American is posted online at TechExpo 
at URL:

http://www.techexpo.com

Select tech_Magazines and scroll to SciAm.

N. Gat


From palilial@limestone.kosone.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:50 EST 1996
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From: palilial@limestone.kosone.com (Alex Palilionis)
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Greg Van Eeckhout <vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> wrote:

>I am interested in running some length to weight relationships on 
>Black Crappies and so if anyone has some extra data (fish of all 
>sizes needed) I would like to hear about it.  I am hoping to get 
>mainly data from more temperate regions ie. MN WI SD ND MI Ont ect.. 
>I can be reached at vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
>I especially need data on large fish > 13" or 33cm  Thanks for the 
>help, Greg
Try reaching Gerry Leering <gleering@trentu.ca>.  He just completed
his Masters on Black Crappie
--

All for one and one for all!





From fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:51 EST 1996
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From: fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com (Stephen Sloan)
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--Let's talk about our fishery management,problems,future. 
Hi: Listen to our radio show,The Fishin' Zone, that broadcasts every
Saturday morning from 6-7 am. Eastern time on 70 stations to over 500
cities in the US. 
We have a "troll" free number 1-800-298-8255. Call us and let's talk some
fish; or E-mail me your address and I will return mail  2 free bumper
stickers that say I FISH & I VOTE for your car-boat-rod case or tackle box.
We will inform you of the nearest radio station to you.  
Tight Lines,  
The Fishin' Zone- Steve Sloan 
Stephen Sloan 
 
 
 
 


From ez041467@rocky.ucdavis.edu Tue Apr  2 00:14:51 EST 1996
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Dinoflaelates are darn fast for their size.  If I remember right they swim 
something like twenty body-lengths in a second.

-Erick 


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Fish Migration And Navigation
I am looking for a research group to join for a 6 to 12 months period to do
short projects about fish migration and navigation (for my masters'). Can
anybody give me some help (addresses, hints, where to write)?
Contact me per e-mail: Kerns@ubaclu.unibas.ch
 



From richard@irchouse.demon.co.uk Tue Apr  2 00:14:52 EST 1996
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In article <315A5DB2.2C3@texnet.it>, Paolo <pvannini@texnet.it> says:
>
>Hi,
>
>we're starting a bass tagging program. We got Floy FD-4 anchor tags and
>tagging guns. 
>What's the best way to tag bass with above tags??
>Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>Paolo Vannini
>pvannini@texnet.it

There is a good section on tagging in Pickett and Pawson's book Sea Bas Biology, 
exploration and conservation from chapman and hall.
if you have problems mail me bacjk and I'll tell you more

Richard Seaby
Richard@irchouse.demon.co.uk


From geh@aldenlab.com Tue Apr  2 00:14:53 EST 1996
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From: geh@aldenlab.com (Stephen Amaral)
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In article <828363806.3589@irchouse.demon.co.uk>,
   richard@irchouse.demon.co.uk (richard) wrote:
>In article <315A5DB2.2C3@texnet.it>, Paolo <pvannini@texnet.it> says:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>we're starting a bass tagging program. We got Floy FD-4 anchor tags and
>>tagging guns. 
>>What's the best way to tag bass with above tags??
>>Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>>Paolo Vannini
>>pvannini@texnet.it
>
>There is a good section on tagging in Pickett and Pawson's book Sea Bas 
Biology, 
>exploration and conservation from chapman and hall.
>if you have problems mail me bacjk and I'll tell you more
>
>Richard Seaby
>Richard@irchouse.demon.co.uk


Two other good tagging/marking technique references that probably have some 
useful information on the use of Floy tags are:

Nielsen, L. A.  1992.  Methods of marking fish and shellfish.  American 
Fisheries Society Special Publication 23.

Parker et al. 1990.  Fish-marking techniques.  American Fisheries Society 
Symposium 7.

Also, I believe Floy Tag & Manufacturing, Inc. (which sells a wide variety of 
anchor and dart tags) have information sheets that briefly explain the 
application of each tag they sell.  They may be worth contacting for further 
information.  Generally, I think most tags that are applied with a tagging gun 
are injected into the dorsal musculature.  However, tagging locations often 
depend on species, size, environmental conditions, and study objectives (i.e., 
how will tag loss over a specified time period affect your studies results).  
Hope this information helps.

Steve Amaral
Fisheries Biologist
Alden Research Laboratory, Inc.
30 Shrewsbury Street
Holden, MA 01520
(508)829-6000


From bindle@duke.usask.ca Tue Apr  2 00:14:53 EST 1996
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From: David Bindle <bindle@duke.usask.ca>
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Subject: WALLEYE
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Is there any source information on Walleye culture- from egg to broodstock.

Any information would be appreciated.

Ken

e-mail at    Bindle@duke.usask.ca



From jhwfishl@siu.edu Tue Apr  2 00:14:54 EST 1996
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From: "Jimmy H. Waddell" <jhwfishl@siu.edu>
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Paolo wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> we're starting a bass tagging program. We got Floy FD-4 anchor tags and
> tagging guns.
> What's the best way to tag bass with above tags??
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> Paolo Vannini
> pvannini@texnet.itThe accepted method is to implant the tag through one of the dorsal fin 
ray bones.  The tag is usually stuck into the muscule about 1/2 to 1" 
below the dorsal straight into the bone area below the dorsal.  The tag 
gun is rotated so the achor does not go back through the puncture.  Then 
the needle is slowly removed.
The best way to learn the method is to try it out on dead fish.  That way 
you will aviod alot of mistakes.  Plant you tag, dissect the dead fish 
and see what your doing.
Also, you will need to setup a tag loss experiment.  This is needed to 
estimate the amount of tag loss that might occur.  After you are sure you 
have the method well enough to do your tagging.  Tag 10 to 20 fish, hold 
them in ponds for a couple of weeks, then capture the fish and record 
your tag loss.
-- 
Jimmy H. Waddell, Researcher
Coop Fish Mgt Res Lab
Southern Illinois Univ
Carbondale, IL 62901       618-536-7761


From cl_deca@alcor.concordia.ca Wed Apr  3 22:16:05 EST 1996
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Try the journals:  "The Progressive Fish Culturist" and "Transactions of 
the American Fisheries Society"


On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, David Bindle wrote:

> 
> Is there any source information on Walleye culture- from egg to broodstock.
> 
> Any information would be appreciated.
> 
> Ken
> 
> e-mail at    Bindle@duke.usask.ca
> 
> 
> 


From pcb@austin.ibm.com Wed Apr  3 22:16:06 EST 1996
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From: pcb@seamist.austin.ibm.com (Dr. Peter C. Bahrs)
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Where to the brine shrimp come from that is sold in
local pet/aquarium stores?  I heard San Francisco bay.

In So.Florida, I could get a cup for $1.50, but in 
Texas, its $1 for a teaspoon.

I am considering importing my own...Any ideas.

-Peter


From Treef001@gold.tc.umn.edu Wed Apr  3 22:16:07 EST 1996
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From: Linda Treeful <Treef001@gold.tc.umn.edu>
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While scuba diving off Cozumel last week, we saw something called a 
Lion's Paw.  Does anyone know what it is?  We were told it's some kind of 
worm.

Linda



From kennyR@pioneer.net Wed Apr  3 22:16:07 EST 1996
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   I'm searching for info on geographic distribution of spermcount declines in populations of coho salmon on the west coast.
e-mail kennyr@pioneer.net


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From: jtolan@tiger.lsu.edu (James Marvin Tolan)
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Linda Treeful (Treef001@gold.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
: While scuba diving off Cozumel last week, we saw something called a 
: Lion's Paw.  Does anyone know what it is?  We were told it's some kind of 
: worm.

: Linda

A worm?????
The only thing I know of that goes by the name "Lions Paw" is the 
scallop, (bivalved seashell), Lyropecten nodosus  Linne.  According to 
Abbott's book "Seashells", 'the Lions paw is one of the most spectacular 
of the scallops and reaches a diameter of about 5 to 6 inches.  The few 
radial ribs have large, water-filled nodes, and the various color phases 
found in different specimens may vary from a rich brick-red to a scarlet, 
or lemon-yellow.  It is found from North Carolina to the Gulf of Mexico 
and the West Indies, although it is not common enought to be a 
commercial food source.'
My personal observations on the Lions paw is that the shell is fairly 
common on beaches from Northern Mexico around to the Vera Cruz reefs 
complex.  The eastern coast of the Yucatan Peninsula is also a good place 
to find shells, especially along the sandy beaches between rocky points.
Whole specimens (especially ones that have the nodes intact) are often 
sought after by seashell collectors.

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From ecoliza@rmplc.co.uk Wed Apr  3 22:16:09 EST 1996
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From: Liza Hollingshead <ecoliza@rmplc.co.uk>
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For the past 6 years students from several British Universities have 
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From Jan_Forbes@gbrmpa.gov.au Wed Apr  3 22:16:11 EST 1996
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Subject: Hump-headed fish: purpose of hump??
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I am seeking reasons why hump-headed fish such as Maori Wrasse, Lord
Howe Island Doubleheader, Sheepshead Wrasse, and others have humps
on their head.
Reasons suggested by fishy-folk so far include:
1. Sexual display, eg. "my hump is bigger therefore I am a better
'hump' / genetically superior" (Maori Wrase);
2. As a tool (Maori Wrasse to break through coral to get at
molluscan prey, Sheepshead Wrasse to bash the bottom out of sea
urchin prey to extract meat); and
3. As a fluid reservoir which assists navigation / 'homing' (Maori
Wrasse).
Does anyoune have any more examples of such fish and the purpose of
their bumps?
Many thanks, Jan.


From cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Sun Apr  7 09:19:25 EDT 1996
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From: cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Craig John Mushens)
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I had recently heard through a frienf about a new anaesthetic
that is used in Australia called Aquiesce or Aqua-S. This drug is
vegetable based and a lot safer for fish and consumers (of fish)
alike. 

MS-222 is the current drug of choice, but in many places you
can't use it where fish have the chance of being comsumed within
a 21 day period afterwards.

If anyone knows anything about this new drug or a similar one,
please respond to the newsgroup or e-mail me at
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Thanks

Craig Mushens
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From 100400.737@CompuServe.COM Sun Apr  7 09:19:26 EDT 1996
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I am posting this for some friends in Waipu Cove here in New 
Zealand who have been raising sterile Grass Carp in a good size 
pond on their property. They are looking for any information on 
how to produce sterile Grass Carp which they identify as 
Ctenopharyngodon idella. Any information or experience will be 
appreciated.

Thank you for any help

Bob Kennedy

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From evann1@ix.netcom.com Sun Apr  7 09:19:26 EDT 1996
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From: evann1@ix.netcom.com(Erwin Van Nieuwenhuyse)
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Greetings everyone: I am studying factors regulating sestonic algal
abundance in the San Francisco Bay estuary and would like to make
comparisons with other estuaries. I am particularly interested in
nutrient and chlorophyll data. (There are over 20 years of water
quality and fisheries data on the San Francisco estuary that can be
downloaded from the Interagency Ecological Program's website: 
http://wwwiep.water.ca.gov) Would appreciate help in locating data for
other systems worldwide.  Thanks in advance,
E. Van Nieuwenhuyse
2600 'V' Street
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From kim.jauncey@stir.ac.uk Sun Apr  7 09:19:26 EDT 1996
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Postdoc Res Fellow: Low-stress stereo video monitoring of fish biomass 
and behaviour. 3yr project estimating biomass and maturity of At. salmon 
by analysis of stereo pairs of underwater images. Fieldwork will take 
place on working farms and travel to remote locations for data capture 
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familiarity with Visual C will be an advantage, but is not essential. 
Mail applications to, or request further information from, 
lgr1@stir.ac.uk. Applications should be in the form of a brief letter 
and CV and should arrive by Wednesday 3rd April.


From kenacks@delphi.com Sun Apr  7 09:19:27 EDT 1996
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From phump@nznet.gen.nz Sun Apr  7 09:19:27 EDT 1996
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I have some Red Sea Brand Buff solution which is used for adjusting the 
PH in marine Aqueriums. The problem is that it is very expensive and 
difficult to get.

Is there any one out there who knows what it is and can make some up in 
New Zealand. Does anyone know what the chemicals are and in what 
proportions?

So far as I know the chemicals are Sodium Carbonate, Sodium 
Bicarbonate, Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Boron (Boric Acid).

Can anyone help? Please Mail me if you can.
-- 
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*Peter Humphreys         *
*Auckland. New Zealand   *
*phump@nznet.gen.nz      *
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From mrm@markram.demon.co.uk Sun Apr  7 09:19:27 EDT 1996
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Subject: Info. needed on Attenuation in Sea anemone
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As part of my biology field course, we have to investigate different
aspects of certain behaviours in different seashore animals 
i.e.	Shrimp -------- taxis or heart rate
	Limpet -------- Shell dimensions 
	etc.
I got/chose to do attenuation in sea anemone. The biology teacher has
removed all the books about the seashore from the local libraries so
that they are unavailable to sixth formers. This was to try and make
us use other research sources. Therefore I am posting this to try and
find information directly (i.e. the information given to me by you) or
if anyone can give me some web sites that might have relevant
information.
The sort of information I am trying to find is:
		How to test attenuation - suitable experiments
		What might affect attenuation
		How things affect attenuation.
		General information that might be useful
The area we are looking to carry the investigation out in is North
Wales (Aberystwyth to be precise) and therefore the types of anemone
I'll find are Beadlet Anemone (Actinia equina the most common sort)
Tealia felina (not so common),Anthopleura balli (not so common)
It is most likely that I will do my tests on the Beadlet Anemone.
Thanking you in advance.
Mark.
E-mail mrm@markram.demon.co.uk



From jgrant@cs.tufts.edu Sun Apr  7 09:19:28 EDT 1996
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I just heard from my cousin that Colorado got a significant sum for a 
long-term whirling disease study, does anyone have any more info about 
this?  If so, who is running the study, what are their objectives, etc.  
I did a lot of (library) research on Myxobolus cerebralsis as an undergrad 
and would love to do some field work on it.  Any info is greatly 
appreciated.  Thanks, John 

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//www.tufts.edu/~jgrant1  | have walked the streets of Bakersfield?"  Yoakham



From grant@fsl.orst.edu Sun Apr  7 09:19:28 EDT 1996
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FOREST HYDROLOGIST/MODELER, FACULTY RESEARCH ASSOCIATE,  Lead hydrological and geomorphological modeling component of  multidisciplinary study of forest landscape dynamics in Oregon Coast and Cascade Ranges. Develop watershed and landscape models to evalu
r. Steve Tesch, Head, Department of Forest Engineering, Oregon State 
University, Corvallis, OR 97331-7501.  OSU is an EEO/AA employer and is 
responsive to dual-career needs.


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FOREST HYDROLOGIST/MODELER, FACULTY RESEARCH ASSOCIATE,  Lead hydrological and geomorphological modeling
component of  multidisciplinary study of forest landscape dynamics in Oregon Coast and Cascade Ranges. Develop watershed and
landscape models to evaluate effects of forest land management on streamflow, sediment production and transport, woody debris
recruitment and channel morphology of streams.  Ph.D. or equivalent in forest hydrology, geomorphology, or related field with strong
background in computer modeling and quantitative analysis, including spatially-explicit hydrologic models, geographic information
systems, and digitial terrain models.  Geomorphic field experience necessary.  Full-time, fixed-term position.  Salary $28,020 to $34,020,
depending on qualifications.  Available May 1, 1996.  For further information, contact Gordon Grant, 541-750-7328; e-mail:
grant@fsl.orst.edu.  Send letter of application, resume, transcripts of University work, and three letters of reference by April 22, 1996 to:
Dr. Steve Tesch, Head, Department of Forest Engineering, Oregon State
University, Corvallis, OR 97331-7501.  OSU is an EEO/AA employer and is
responsive to dual-career needs.


From sgalli@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Sun Apr  7 09:19:30 EDT 1996
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From: sgalli@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen F. Galli)
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Subject: Kentucky 23 acre lake problem
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Does anyone have ideas about how to balance a small lake in Kentucky?  The 
lake is narrow and deep [over 18 to 27 feet deep]; surface area less desired 
for driving oxygen down below about 13 feet; low fertility; very clear; 
occupants take the bass over 10-12 inches out too fast; even the large 
bluegill and shellcrackers are now fished out.

This is the solution being thought about:

1.  Fertilize the lake consistently.
2.  Stock bass annually [at 6 inch size, say 1,000 in spring]
3.  Install  air bubblers at the botton of the lake to circulate the water and 
nutrients and oxygenate.
4.  Use fish food.
5.  Establish a "slot" fishing prpgram -- at 12-13 inch bass may be taken out 
but no more than 3 per week per owner's lot [40 lots on the lake]. 
6.  Fish only with barbless hooks.
7.  Allow only bass over 22 inches to be taken; then only one per year per lot.

Comments??

What is a reasonable harvest allowance for a modestly fertile small lake [23 
acres] for bass??  In a very old booklet on farm ponds for Ohio it stated a 
maximum of 25 bass [any size] per year per acre.  Is that reasonable for a 
small lake?

More information is available if needed, just ask.

Thanks in advance. 


From mebooker@atnet.net Sun May  5 13:49:36 EDT 1996
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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
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Subject: Re: Brine Shrimp?
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In response to:

Date:  Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:06:56 +0900 
From:  Hatzki <li5h-ohr@asahi-net.or.jp>
Organization:  asahi-net.or.jp
Newsgroups:  sci.bio.fisheries 

At least in Japan, we, importer, import Brine Shrimp Eggs
>from  Salt Lake in Utah and sell to fishery companies or
aquariam stores.  I heard only in Salt Lake or somewhere in
China they can catch Brine Shrimps.  And I also heard the
last year they couldn't get enough Brine Shrimps to supply
and that caused raising the price.  Here in Japan, it became
five times higher price and now it's three times.


Usualy, aquarium stores sell BSE very expensively.  But when
we sell to fishery company and aquariam sotres same price.
About US$50 per 500g/can.

I need more information of BSE in Salt Lake this year.  Does
anybody have news about that?

--------------------------------------------

Dear Hatzhi:

I do not know much about Brine Shrimp.  However I understand that Brine Shrimp are considered 
by some people to be pests at Soap Lake, Washington.  This could by a new source.

Mark





From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Sun May  5 13:49:36 EDT 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Subject: Saltwater Wells
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I am looking for information on saltwater wells for landbased 
aquaculture use. There is very little data here in NS, but lots of 
speculation. The thought is that a well should supply water at a 
constant water temp (~8oC) and should be filtered of all flora and fauna 
(salinity and trace metals are another matter). Any leads would be 
greatly appreciated.

Lawrence 
biodiver@loki.atcon.com




From braden@shadow.net Sun May  5 13:49:36 EDT 1996
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From: Braden N. McDaniel <braden@shadow.net>
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Subject: RE: Spiralina
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On Friday, March 15, 1996, "R. Colby" wrote...
> I'd like to post something about growing spiralina at which point, to 
use 
> this to feed whales that are being domesticated for food.
> It's like giving back something that is taken. I would guess that one 
> would need a large flat land to pump salt water into and develop the 
> spiralina. The whales in this case Gray whales would be monitered on 
> there migrations and selectively herded for domestication and the
eventuall
> hunt. There would be seasons to farm the spiralina and hunt the whale.
> THere's more that I'd like to disscuss.

Okay... why are whales needed as an additional food source?

> I think I'll give my hand a wrist.

I hope it's already got one.

Braden




From johnsb9173@aol.com Sun May  5 13:49:37 EDT 1996
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Hello Joshua Davis,


and I will send you an uuencoded copy.  Many features such as delete an
entry, insert an entry, and edit an entry, do not work on the shareware
version, but you can still add fish entries, print entries, and find
percentages of the fish you've caught!  So, what are you waiting for
e-mail me today!

This program sounds interesting. Please email your real address and some
more information about this program and I will send a check if I like what
I think I will receive.

John



From mebooker@atnet.net Sun May  5 13:49:37 EDT 1996
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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: NEED INFO ON AQUA 5 AND TROUT HATCHERIES - People who know what they are doing!
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Dear Larry Smeins:  

You might check with Trout Lodge, Inc. (good hatchery).  One of their phones 509-246-1649 at 
Soap Lake Washington.  One of their largest customers is the Yakima Indians who are doing what 
you are doing.  Trout Lodge could give you good references.  

Check it out!

Mark, from the land of the Mighty Columbia River!!



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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
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4/21/96  

RE:  Science Supports Transportation; National Marine Fisheries Service Calls for More Fish 
Killing Spills?  

Dear Sirs:  

Spring migration of juvenile salmon has again brought a call for massive spill at 
hydro-projects on the Columbia and Snake Rivers.  The spill proposal from the National Marine 
Fisheries Service comes despite recent scientific evidence documenting the benefits of 
transportation and confirming the mortality caused by similar, excessive spill during the past 
two springs.

The studies of the 1994 and 1995 spill measures were conducted by Dr. James Anderson of the 
University of Washington School of Fisheries, using the leading computer model of juvenile 
salmon survival, and by S.P. Cramer and Associates, using actual survival data.  Those studies 
concluded that the Spring 1995 spill elevated total dissolved gas in the river to lethal levels 
and increased downstream salmon migrants mortality by nearly 40 percent.  

The 1995 spill program cost the public $72 million.  The 1996 program is expected to cost $60 
million.

Now there is more physical proof:  

Our local daily paper now reports large numbers of dead smolts in the Snake River resulting 
>from  excessive spill's gas problems.  Anyone who advocates river management that kills fish 
should be held responsible.  

This looks to me like a political solution for a biological problem.

s/Mark, from the land of the Mighty Columbia!!  

PS:  Spilling smolts is a terrible thing to do to smolts.  They just are not tough enough!  




From lsmeins@ball.com Sun May  5 13:49:38 EDT 1996
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From: Larry Smeins <lsmeins@ball.com>
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Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com> wrote:
>Do you have a macrophyte (large plants) or phytoplankton problem? Would 
>more grass carp help the former, or a biofilter like mussels the latter?
>
>Lawrence
>
>
We have two problems.  Grass carp were stocked to control large plants.  
We've been advised that the Grass carp population is near correct for the 
size of the ponds.  I do not consider the large plant population a 
significant problem, its only some of the fishers that complain.  The 
more significant problem is bottom growth that is green, has fine fibrous 
stucture and feels slimy to the touch.  The latter is what is being 
called algae and is being treated with Aqua 5 (this is what our fish 
stocker calls it).

Fishery management is far from my educational background and I apologize 
for sounding like a neophyte.  Any help I receive will be appreciated.  
Any good basic references that would help me?

Larry 

 



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From: burrows@bcu.ubc.ca (Jeff Burrows)
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(for your information)
The January issue of the Can J Fish Aquat Sci is
on line at

   http://www.cisti.nrc.ca/cisti/journals/cjfas.html

apparently as a pilot.
>From  the file size of each article it looks like they
could fit almost a decade of issues on one CD.  If anyone
knows of similar projects for standard journals I would
appreciate hearing about it.

	-Jeff.


From filip@ruby.arts.kuleuven.ac.be Sun May  5 13:49:38 EDT 1996
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From: filip@ruby.arts.kuleuven.ac.be (Filip Balyu)
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	Hi,

	Via via, I received a request for information on sea fishery.
	It came to me like this: "You are on internet, can't you ask there
	for some information.  Someone is looking for a program to do
	some calculations on sea fishery (like stock tracking).
	He knew about a program called 'Quad-Fish' (sp?).  But he wanted
	to know where he could find it"

	Anybody who can give me any clue ?

		Filip.


From icon@mail.msen.com Sun May  5 13:49:39 EDT 1996
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From raycolby@u.washington.edu Sun May  5 13:49:39 EDT 1996
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From: "R. Colby" <raycolby@u.washington.edu>
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Thanks for the concern about my wrist, and I'll put your comment to rest.
Why the Gray Whale? you asked.
The Gray Whales numbers have increased, at least the migrations watched in
the Pacific. The Makah people have requested an appeal from the IWC to
return to their aboriginal custom of hunting whales. This request was for
only 4 or 5 whales per year, and to accomplish this by the traditional
way of hunting the whales. The appeal is under consideration. The thought
of domesticating the whales with cultivated spirulina that would be spread
around the open strait, is just a way to give back something that is
taken. It would domesticate several fish species other than just the
whale, and could increase the overall population of fishes that are needed
for the Makah tribe. There's is no additional food source. If you know
anything at all about the Northwest Native cultures it is that they lived
off the land and sea entirely.
Greater Americana developed fast food as additional food source.
That should also include the fast food vegitarian meals.



On 21 Apr 1996, Braden N. McDaniel wrote:

> Date: 21 Apr 1996 20:25:00 GMT
> From: "Braden N. McDaniel" <braden@shadow.net>
> Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
> Subject: RE: Spiralina
>
> On Friday, March 15, 1996, "R. Colby" wrote...
> > I'd like to post something about growing spiralina at which point, to
> use
> > this to feed whales that are being domesticated for food.
> > It's like giving back something that is taken. I would guess that one
> > would need a large flat land to pump salt water into and develop the
> > spiralina. The whales in this case Gray whales would be monitered on
> > there migrations and selectively herded for domestication and the
> eventuall
> > hunt. There would be seasons to farm the spiralina and hunt the whale.
> > THere's more that I'd like to disscuss.
>
> Okay... why are whales needed as an additional food source?
>
> > I think I'll give my hand a wrist.
>
> I hope it's already got one.
>
> Braden
>
>
>
>



From geh@aldenlab.com Sun May  5 13:49:39 EDT 1996
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From: geh@aldenlab.com (Stephen Amaral)
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In article <4lg84o$288@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>,
   burrows@bcu.ubc.ca (Jeff Burrows) wrote:
>
>(for your information)
>The January issue of the Can J Fish Aquat Sci is
>on line at
>
>   http://www.cisti.nrc.ca/cisti/journals/cjfas.html
>
>apparently as a pilot.
>From the file size of each article it looks like they
>could fit almost a decade of issues on one CD.  If anyone
>knows of similar projects for standard journals I would
>appreciate hearing about it.
>
>	-Jeff.

Jeff:

Although not available on the Internet, you can get a database of all journal 
article citations and abstracts from 1945-present for all American Fisheries 
Society journals (e.g., TAFS, NAJFM) and for CJAFS from a company called 
ABSEARCH (1-800-867-1877).  ABSEARCH provides the databases and a limited-use 
version of Pro-Cite which is a bibliographic software program.  However, 
unlike many things on the Internet, there is a cost involved in getting the 
ABSEARCH databases, I paid $99 for the AFS journal databases and $135 for the 
CJAFS database.  For me the cost has been well worth it, as I can search for 
references and compile and print bibliographies right from my desktop PC.  The 
downside is having to go to library or sending a request for reprints to 
obtain full copies of articles.  Although these are not difficult things to 
do, they're not as easy or time efficient as downloading complete articles 
>from  a web page like the one currently available for the January issue of 
CJFAS.

Steve Amaral
Fisheries Biologist
Alden Research Laboratory, Inc.
Holden, MA  01520
Tel: 508-829-6000, ext. 415
Fax: 508-829-5939
email: 76042.2320@compuserve.com


From  Sun May  5 13:49:40 EDT 1996
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From: dmach@nextlab17.calstatela.edu (David Mach)
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In article <fennelly-1804961802400001@fennelly.tiac.net> Jeff wrote:
http://www.aquarius.eds.com
>
>I am not quite sure this fits in this newsgroup, but I thought
>someone might enjoy looking at this website:
>"http://www.aquarius.eds.com".  Scientists on the Jason project are
>currently studying the ocean floor off the coast of Florida.  From 15
>April to about 23 April 1996, there will be a live feed from cameras 
in
>and outside of their habitat, Aquarius.  If the latest video shot is
>nothing but water, one can always take a look at the archives, which
>feature a "best of" section.  It's worth a quick look.  
>
>--Peace--Jeff
>
Thank you for the info



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From: dmach@nextlab17.calstatela.edu (David Mach)
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Subject: Re: cod fish
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In article <4l6fb1$ecv$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Rolf E. 
Weil-Dio Fonzo, RAuN wrote:
I´m going for cod fishing this very weekend.
>
>Who has any suggestions on how to get them?
>
>Region: Baltic Sea, near DAnish coast.
>
>Where do I find scientific advise on this topic?
>
>Rolf WD, from Hamburg, FR Germany
>
What do you mean by cod does it mean Cash On Delivery?



From  Sun May  5 13:49:40 EDT 1996
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From: dmach@nextlab17.calstatela.edu (David Mach)
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In article <fennelly-1804961802400001@fennelly.tiac.net> Jeff wrote:
http://www.aquarius.eds.com
>
>I am not quite sure this fits in this newsgroup, but I thought
>someone might enjoy looking at this website:
>"http://www.aquarius.eds.com".  Scientists on the Jason project are
>currently studying the ocean floor off the coast of Florida.  From 15
>April to about 23 April 1996, there will be a live feed from cameras 
in
>and outside of their habitat, Aquarius.  If the latest video shot is
>nothing but water, one can always take a look at the archives, which
>feature a "best of" section.  It's worth a quick look.  
>
>--Peace--Jeff
>
Thank you for the info


From 98cwilson@kamsc.k12.mi.us Sun May  5 13:49:41 EDT 1996
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From: Chris Wilson <98cwilson@kamsc.k12.mi.us>
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Subject: Weight of Daphnia
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Does anyone at least know the average weight of a Daphnia (magna)?  Or
could someone direct me to information to this topic.




From clangell@eskimo.com Sun May  5 13:49:41 EDT 1996
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Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net> wrote:

>In response to:

>Date:  Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:06:56 +0900 
>From:  Hatzki <li5h-ohr@asahi-net.or.jp>
>Organization:  asahi-net.or.jp
>Newsgroups:  sci.bio.fisheries 

>At least in Japan, we, importer, import Brine Shrimp Eggs
>from Salt Lake in Utah and sell to fishery companies or
>aquariam stores.  I heard only in Salt Lake or somewhere in
>China they can catch Brine Shrimps.  And I also heard the
>last year they couldn't get enough Brine Shrimps to supply
>and that caused raising the price.  Here in Japan, it became
>five times higher price and now it's three times.


>Usualy, aquarium stores sell BSE very expensively.  But when
>we sell to fishery company and aquariam sotres same price.
>About US$50 per 500g/can.

>I need more information of BSE in Salt Lake this year.  Does
>anybody have news about that?

>--------------------------------------------

>Dear Hatzhi:

>I do not know much about Brine Shrimp.  However I understand that Brine Shrimp are considered 
>by some people to be pests at Soap Lake, Washington.  This could by a new source.

>Mark

You can contact directly one of the brine shrimp processors.  For
example,  one of the major processors/suppliers is Salt Creek Inc. 946
West 1800 North, Salt Lake City, UT 84116 USA, Fax 801-363-0664.
Apparently the shortage of brine shrimp "eggs" is the result of over
fishing.  As demand increased, many newcomers entered the egg
collection and processing business and overfished the eggs. Although
this unique resource is worth about $13,000,000 annually, the state
has no managment plan and the processors, as competitors, do not
collaborate.  The end result is the same as for any other common
property resource subjected to unfettered free market forces - over
exploitation.

There are also fluctuations in egg production related to fluctuating
lake levels, which in turn are related to runoff from snowfall in the
surrounding mountains.

"Eggs" from China are of highly variable quality.  Some batches have
very low hatch rates.  I have heard that reprocessing can greatly
improve their hatchability, but I have no information on the
nutritional quality of these eggs.

C Angell






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From: Martin_Brady Allen <allenb@bcc.orst.edu>
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The spill on the Snake that you are talking about was done by the Army 
Corps of Engineers while they were installing a surface collector for 
smolts. Because of setbacks and typical poor planning they ended up 
installing it during the height of smolt migration and spilling 2.5 times 
the ammount of water recommended.  This is what elevated nitrogen to 
lethal levels, blame the Army not river managers. Barging doesn't work 
spilling might. Be wary of studies done by industry biologists, check the 
funding source before you believe the results.

On 22 Apr 1996, Mark Booker wrote:

> 4/21/96  
> 
> RE:  Science Supports Transportation; National Marine Fisheries Service Calls for More Fish 
> Killing Spills?  
> 
> Dear Sirs:  
> 
> Spring migration of juvenile salmon has again brought a call for massive spill at 
> hydro-projects on the Columbia and Snake Rivers.  The spill proposal from the National Marine 
> Fisheries Service comes despite recent scientific evidence documenting the benefits of 
> transportation and confirming the mortality caused by similar, excessive spill during the past 
> two springs.
> 
> The studies of the 1994 and 1995 spill measures were conducted by Dr. James Anderson of the 
> University of Washington School of Fisheries, using the leading computer model of juvenile 
> salmon survival, and by S.P. Cramer and Associates, using actual survival data.  Those studies 
> concluded that the Spring 1995 spill elevated total dissolved gas in the river to lethal levels 
> and increased downstream salmon migrants mortality by nearly 40 percent.  
> 
> The 1995 spill program cost the public $72 million.  The 1996 program is expected to cost $60 
> million.
> 
> Now there is more physical proof:  
> 
> Our local daily paper now reports large numbers of dead smolts in the Snake River resulting 
> from excessive spill's gas problems.  Anyone who advocates river management that kills fish 
> should be held responsible.  
> 
> This looks to me like a political solution for a biological problem.
> 
> s/Mark, from the land of the Mighty Columbia!!  
> 
> PS:  Spilling smolts is a terrible thing to do to smolts.  They just are not tough enough!  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From zep4@aol.com Sun May  5 13:49:41 EDT 1996
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From: zep4@aol.com (Zep 4)
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Subject: I need fish images
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I have been looking for images of fish that are found in the waters of the
north atlantic, particularly those found in New York waters. So far the
only thing that I have found that has some needed images was at
http://kingfish.ssp.nmfs.gov/fish.html
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.


From josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu Sun May  5 13:49:42 EDT 1996
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From: josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Salmon Spill!!???
Date: 23 Apr 1996 22:32:47 GMT
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In-reply-to: Martin_Brady Allen's message of Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:48:20 -0700

>>> Martin Brady Allen writes:
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960423103629.871A-100000@ava.bcc.orst.edu> Martin_Brady Allen <allenb@bcc.orst.edu> writes:

  Martin> Be wary of studies done by
  Martin> industry biologists, check the funding source before you
  Martin> believe the results.

Since I work with Jim Anderson on this issue I have to object to this
oblique ad hominem attack. It is true that our work is funded largely
by the Bonneville Power Administration. To argue that this renders us
somehow less objective than state agency and tribal biologists strikes
me as groundless and insulting. Our work is thoroughly documented;
moreover, our data and models are freely available via the world wide
web, so anyone who wants to criticize the work can examine it first,
something I'd recommend to Mr. Allen.

 I invite interested parties to visit our page:

  http://www.cqs.washington.edu/crisp

Josh Hayes, CRiSP Project
Columbia Basin Research, University of Washington
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     Josh Hayes	      josh@cqs.washington.edu	    PDGA #9665
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From red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us Sun May  5 13:49:42 EDT 1996
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From scip3031@leonis.nus.sg Sun May  5 13:49:42 EDT 1996
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From: scip3031@leonis.nus.sg (Chow Poh Soon)
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Subject: Anyone interested to talk about live fish transportation?
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Hi! Is there anyone out there who is interested in this topic? I'm 
currently writing a thesis on this topic and am looking for someone with the 
same interest to talk to. My work centers around modelling physiological 
aspects of factors related to live aquarium fish transport. Please 
contact me at SCIP3031@LEONIS.NUS.SG.

 




From red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us Sun May  5 13:49:43 EDT 1996
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From dlv@gate.net Sun May  5 13:49:43 EDT 1996
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From: Dan Volker <dlv@gate.net>
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Subject: Learn to snorkel/freedive and enjoy one of the most prolific reef environments
Date: 24 Apr 1996 14:14:52 GMT
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In the new issue of SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL, at
http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive
you can learn how learning the art of freediving could benefit your 
interests in marine biology---allowing you do do 50 to 80 foot breath hold 
dives over underwater eco-systems you are studying. In shallower water 20 
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Check out the current issue, and see if this does not look like something 
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Regards,

-- 
Dan Volker
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From stevek@iphc.washington.edu Sun May  5 13:49:43 EDT 1996
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From: stevek@iphc.washington.edu (STEVE KAIMMER)
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Subject: Re: Anyone interested to talk about live fish transportation?
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I have gone out about a dozen times over the last ten years collecting 
live Pacific Halibut for rearing studies.  Started out quite scientific, 
now just put them in a fish hold with circulating seawater and chug on 
in to port.  The Norwegians did some amazing things to carry (rare for 
them) brood fish on airplanes, etc.  Also, there has been some 
interesting popular literature about live capture fisheries for the asian 
food fish market in western canada.  Also shipping fish live from the 
west coast to Japan.  Good Luck.
In article <4lkphf$7l4@nuscc.nus.sg>, scip3031@leonis.nus.sg says...
>
>Hi! Is there anyone out there who is interested in this topic? I'm 
>currently writing a thesis on this topic and am looking for someone with 
the 
>same interest to talk to. My work centers around modelling physiological 
>aspects of factors related to live aquarium fish transport. Please 
>contact me at SCIP3031@LEONIS.NUS.SG.
>
> 
>
>



From wkannabl@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca Sun May  5 13:49:43 EDT 1996
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From davio@xnet.com Sun May  5 13:49:44 EDT 1996
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Tarpon, Redfish (Drum), Snook, Cobia, Sea Trout.
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From vendel@vendel.se Sun May  5 13:49:44 EDT 1996
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JohnsB9173 wrote:
> 
> Hello Joshua Davis,
> 
> and I will send you an uuencoded copy.  Many features such as delete an
> entry, insert an entry, and edit an entry, do not work on the shareware
> version, but you can still add fish entries, print entries, and find
> percentages of the fish you've caught!  So, what are you waiting for
> e-mail me today!
> 
> This program sounds interesting. Please email your real address and some
> more information about this program and I will send a check if I like what
> I think I will receive.
> 
> John

Hello,
   about fishing software...
If you are interested, check out this one also - Fisherman´s Guide, at
http://www.vendel.se/fg.html
It´s a professionally developed fishing software with lots of powerful
features and all conceivable types of statistics.

/Casper


From chowder@eden-backend.rutgers.edu Sun May  5 13:49:44 EDT 1996
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Hi everybody!! I'm at junior a Cook College, Rutgers University, and I'm 
looking for a job/internship concerning American Indian Fisheries 
Policy.  Also, I'm searching for a graduate school in this area.  If 
anyone has any info whatsoever concerning this, please tell me.  Thank 
you so much =:)
  -Leah Doney-




From r.rivera@mail.utexas.edu Sun May  5 13:49:45 EDT 1996
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From: roberto rivera <r.rivera@mail.utexas.edu>
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HEY ANYBODY. I'M LOOKING FOR A FEMALE 20LB RAINBOW CATFISH. MUST HAVE 
LONG WHISKERS, GOOD PERSONALITY AND A BIG DORSAL FIN. I ENJOY LONG 
SWIMS THROUGH THE POND SCUM AND QUIET EVENINGS EATING TADPOLES. I'LL 
BE WAITING.


From allenb@bcc.orst.edu Sun May  5 13:49:45 EDT 1996
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From: Martin_Brady Allen <allenb@bcc.orst.edu>
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Subject: Re: Salmon Spill!!???
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My post was not meant as an attack on the specific study cited, or Dr. 
Anderson. It was more directly related to the previous post blaming 
fisheries managers for the Army Corps of Engineers damaging spill that 
raised nitrogen to lethal levels. It was also intended more generally to 
have people be aware that not all of the findings are as unbiased as I'm 
sure your study was. Similar to the scientists working for the tobacco 
industry, you must be wary of studies by the Aluminum, irrigation and power 
generation industries. They may publish findings that are less than 
accurate to create enough confusion that the politicians do nothing 
until the salmon are gone. Then the will go back to business as usual.
 To you Dr. Andersons student (sorry I forgot your name), since you think 
that spilling is not the way to go. What is your answer for saving the 
salmon right now?   


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Sun May  5 13:49:45 EDT 1996
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From: Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz>
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> Brett Rowley wrote:<snip>
> 
> I know the people that did most of those old and outdated studies on
> largemouth bass personally.  I will call them and see if they care to
> comment on your using them as "Documentation".  I bet they might not 
> be willing to support those any longer.
> 
> Brett

Why did they publish their research if they didn't believe it was 
relevant and accurate?

I look forward to hearing what they have to say and invite them to 
address these groups directly, rather than through you, so their
comments are not selectively interpreted or otherwise misrepresented.

While you are at it Brett, ask them to disclose who has financially 
contributed to their studies, and are they "sport" fishers themselves? 
Then ask Maurice Muoneke and Michael Childress if they still support 
their review of 132 hooking mortality studies conducted by a large 
number of fisheries scientists. Then ask yourself whether "fighting" a 
fish that can't fight back is so much fun, that it's worth leaving our 
oceans, streams and lakes littered with dead and dying fish.
- Craig Arfman

(From a previous posting)
Craig Arfman wrote:
in evaluating any one study it's always worth noting who is PAYING
for the study, frequently these studies are paid for by recreational 
fishing interests.

I may be overly cynical sometimes, but does seem in some cases
scientific "truth" is bought and sold just like any other commodity. 
Nonetheless when fisheries biologists conduct a summary of 132   
hooking mortality studies and find an average C&R death rate of 10%,
I don't see how it can ALL be discounted.

(30% OF ALL STUDIES SHOWED HOOKING MORTALITY
AT 20% OR MORE, 48% OF STUDIES SHOWED MORTALITY AT MORE THAN 10%, 41%
showed hooking mortality at to be 5% or less. "Hooking mortality: A
review for recreational fisheries" published in volume two of Reviews
in Fisheries Science". by Maurice Muoneke and Michael Childress

76% mortality - Holbrook J.A. II, 1975 Bass fishing
tournaments in H. Clepper editor. Black bass biology and
management. Sport Fishing Institute, Washington


43% mortality - Childress, M.W. Catch-and-Release Mortality
of White and Black Crappie, Texas Parks and Wildlife
Department, Heart of the Hills Research Station, Junction Star
Route Box 62, Ingram, TX 78025 Symposium Proceeding,
Humboldt State University, Arcata, California

32% Mortality - Mays, B.E. 1972 Evaluation of large scale
release programs with special reference to bass fishing
tournament, Southeastern Association of Fish and Game
Commissioners, proceedings of the Twenty-Sixth Conference.
Oct 22-25, 1972: 325-332

38% Mortality - Rutledge, William P, and David L.Pritchard.
1977. Hooking Mortality Of Largemouth Bass Captured By
Artificial Lures And Natural Bait. Pages 103-107 In R.A.
Barnhart and T.D. Roelofs, editors. Catch-And-Release Fishing
As A Management Tool, Symposium Proceedings, Humboldt
State University, Arcata, California

33% Mortality - blue marlin - Billfish telemetric study by
Barbara Block and Frank Carey, supported by; The Billfish
Foundation, The Pacific Gamefish Research Foundation, and
the National Science Foundation, 1989 (unpublished)


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Craig Arfman wrote:

>I look forward to hearing what they have to say and invite them to 
>address these groups directly, rather than through you, so their
>comments are not selectively interpreted or otherwise misrepresented.

>While you are at it Brett, ask them to disclose who has financially 
>contributed to their studies, and are they "sport" fishers themselves? 

I know, I said I was going to keep out of this and for the most part I
still am.  But Craig, were you the second gunman on the grassy knoll? 
Does everything have to be some kind of politically influenced alterior
agenda?  Could it be that there is another human being that merely wants
to present the facts?  Sure money influences a lot of things, In our old
battles I provided studies where C&R fishing proved much more economically
benificial to economies than C&K.  I'm sure you're not convinced but since
then I can name 2 more countries that have banned long lining in favor of
sport fisherman.  You present some outstanding arguments, I'm certain many
anglers have no idea about stock assesments and mortality rates, but sport
fishing is a large part of most cultures.  (It's my living)  I agree with
many of your numbers, I also think my personal mortality percentage is
much lower than average.  (I feel half of the game is getting a clean
release as quickly as possible, I even keep a stopwatch in the fly bridge)
 I tend to believe these studies are dated, Perhaps if more people were
aware  of these disputed mortality rates which every one agrees should be
lowered.  More people would work in that direction.  Certainly, they'll
never meet your standards but even you must admit an improvement would be
bennificial.  I'm certain you will also admit, sport fishing is not going
away any time soon.  In fact all of the numbers I can get suggest it is
more popular than ever.  And yes, I'd be happy to provide references if
you like.
Good Luck
Greg


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Hey people,

I'm asking for your help here.  This guy (Craig) has been stirring the
pot over in the fishing groups.  He is basically of the opinion that
catch and release fishing destroys a fishery, that mortalities
associated with same are unacceptable, that sportfishermen are
deplorable, and that catch and release fishing should be banned. 
Please not that he has not advocated banning fishing altogether, just
catch and release as done for sporting purposes.

My opinion opposes his.  My contention is that sportfishing is a fun
and healthy outdoor sport, that it allows the conservation of the
resource, that done properly the mortalities associated with it are
very low, that sportfishermen (people) are mostly good, conservation
minded folk, and that catch and release should be encouraged as a means
to conserving the resource.  Now I have admitted I don't know diddly
about billfishing and restrict my comments to largemouth bass
fisheries, which I have a 20 year career in.  I have been part of this
group for about 2 years now and many of you have seen a post or two by
me.  I've always tried to contribute in a positive manner.  

My job is at a catch and release bass fishery.  I can testify that we
have had very little mortality and our fishery is very heavily used, by
families, children, non-fishermen (people), as well as by avid
fishermen.  As many as 1000 bass a weekend are caught from 2 X 100 acre
lakes, and released.  Mortalities are less than 1 fish a week.  Now, I
need some help in finding some modern day studies that support my view.
I would also like to hear from any of you that may have worked on same,
or even on some of the old studies he quotes from the seventies that
supports his view.  

I thank the entire group in advance, and I would like to hear from
either view.

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas


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In <31804106.7D96@taranaki.ac.nz> Craig Arfman
<c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> writes: 
>
>> Brett Rowley wrote:<snip>
>> 
>> I know the people that did most of those old and outdated studies on
>> largemouth bass personally.  I will call them and see if they care
to
>> comment on your using them as "Documentation".  I bet they might not

>> be willing to support those any longer.
>> 
>> Brett
>
>Why did they publish their research if they didn't believe it was 
>relevant and accurate?
>
>I look forward to hearing what they have to say and invite them to 
>address these groups directly, rather than through you, so their
>comments are not selectively interpreted or otherwise misrepresented.
>
>While you are at it Brett, ask them to disclose who has financially 
>contributed to their studies, and are they "sport" fishers themselves?

>Then ask Maurice Muoneke and Michael Childress if they still support 
>their review of 132 hooking mortality studies conducted by a large 
>number of fisheries scientists. Then ask yourself whether "fighting" a

>fish that can't fight back is so much fun, that it's worth leaving our

>oceans, streams and lakes littered with dead and dying fish.
>- Craig Arfman
>
>(From a previous posting)
>Craig Arfman wrote:
>in evaluating any one study it's always worth noting who is PAYING
>for the study, frequently these studies are paid for by recreational 
>fishing interests.
>
>I may be overly cynical sometimes, but does seem in some cases
>scientific "truth" is bought and sold just like any other commodity. 
>Nonetheless when fisheries biologists conduct a summary of 132   
>hooking mortality studies and find an average C&R death rate of 10%,
>I don't see how it can ALL be discounted.
>
>(30% OF ALL STUDIES SHOWED HOOKING MORTALITY
>AT 20% OR MORE, 48% OF STUDIES SHOWED MORTALITY AT MORE THAN 10%, 41%
>showed hooking mortality at to be 5% or less. "Hooking mortality: A
>review for recreational fisheries" published in volume two of Reviews
>in Fisheries Science". by Maurice Muoneke and Michael Childress
>
>76% mortality - Holbrook J.A. II, 1975 Bass fishing
>tournaments in H. Clepper editor. Black bass biology and
>management. Sport Fishing Institute, Washington
>
>
>43% mortality - Childress, M.W. Catch-and-Release Mortality
>of White and Black Crappie, Texas Parks and Wildlife
>Department, Heart of the Hills Research Station, Junction Star
>Route Box 62, Ingram, TX 78025 Symposium Proceeding,
>Humboldt State University, Arcata, California
>
>32% Mortality - Mays, B.E. 1972 Evaluation of large scale
>release programs with special reference to bass fishing
>tournament, Southeastern Association of Fish and Game
>Commissioners, proceedings of the Twenty-Sixth Conference.
>Oct 22-25, 1972: 325-332
>
>38% Mortality - Rutledge, William P, and David L.Pritchard.
>1977. Hooking Mortality Of Largemouth Bass Captured By
>Artificial Lures And Natural Bait. Pages 103-107 In R.A.
>Barnhart and T.D. Roelofs, editors. Catch-And-Release Fishing
>As A Management Tool, Symposium Proceedings, Humboldt
>State University, Arcata, California
>
>33% Mortality - blue marlin - Billfish telemetric study by
>Barbara Block and Frank Carey, supported by; The Billfish
>Foundation, The Pacific Gamefish Research Foundation, and
>the National Science Foundation, 1989 (unpublished)


OK dude,

Your on.  I'll begin making calls today.

One thing, I have no experience with, or knowledge of billfishing and
will restrict my comments and questions to largemouth bass.  

Like I posted to this thread awhile back, if catch and release didn't
work for bass, I'd be unemployed. or at least in anothe r aspect of
fisheries.

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas


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Does anyone know the amount of lead present in fish (mg/kg) that will pose
a toxicity risk and/or carcinogenic risk (yes, even lead may be a
carcinogen) of 1 out of 1 million people assuming an average consumption
of  20 g/day of fish and a lifespan of 70 years?


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Fact:  Catch and keep kills 100% of fish.  Any lesser kill that  results
>from  C&R fishing is conservation of the resource.  
.


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I need a pic of a  Piranha thank you


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You might try the following:
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In article <317E87C0.18BC@xnet.com>, davio@xnet.com says...
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>Dear Anyone,
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Hello.
I'm writing to you because i've a desperate need these two 
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BLACKER RW 1974 
Recent advances in otolith studies IM. FR Jones (ed)
Sea Fisheries research ELEK SCIENCE,
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DEGENS E.T., W.G. DEUSER & RL HAEDRICH 1969
Molecular structure and composition of fish 
otholiths. MAR. BIOL2(2):105-113

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Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> writes:
>> Brett Rowley wrote:<snip>
 
>> I know the people that did most of those old and outdated studies on
>> largemouth bass personally.  I will call them and see if they care to
>> comment on your using them as "Documentation".  I bet they might not 
>> be willing to support those any longer.
 
>Why did they publish their research if they didn't believe it was 
>relevant and accurate?

	At the time it was published.  It could very well be outdated.

>I look forward to hearing what they have to say and invite them to 
>address these groups directly, rather than through you, so their
>comments are not selectively interpreted or otherwise misrepresented.

	You sound like you might be related to Russell Lawrence.

>While you are at it Brett, ask them to disclose who has financially 
>contributed to their studies, and are they "sport" fishers themselves? 

	If that were the case and, you support that study, what would
that tell you?  Hmmm?

>Then ask Maurice Muoneke and Michael Childress if they still support 
>their review of 132 hooking mortality studies conducted by a large 
>number of fisheries scientists. Then ask yourself whether "fighting" a 
>fish that can't fight back is so much fun, that it's worth leaving our 
>oceans, streams and lakes littered with dead and dying fish.

	This really sounds like someone that has no clue what he's
talking about.

	Anyone else notice all the waters of the world littered with
dead and dying fish?  Anyone else ever hook a fish that had another 
hook in its mouth from a previous 'fight?'

	Does anyone really think these idiots will ever achive their
goal of a ban on sport or commerical fishing?  I don't think many
people are going to listen to these losers myself.  In fact, I wouldn't
be surprise to read about a few of them getting the crap beat out of 
them after assaulting others on a pier.

	Followups set to talk.politics.animals, a group where loons
like Arfman should hang out.

Bobbi

---
Roberta Hatch						'65 Panhead
Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, Ca.			(This space for rent)


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Sun May  5 13:49:49 EDT 1996
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From: Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz>
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Subject: FISHING & CRUELTY
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>Markus Medak wrote:
> 
> Just curious, why did you fish for thousands of days if you think it's
> so terrible, and why in the world did you work as a deckhand (I know 
> it couldn't have been the money--seems to pay little above minimum 
> wage considering the hours you work)?

The only excuse I can offer is that for a long time I just didn’t 
know any better. When I started fishing at age seven, I asked the 
same question a lot of children ask, “Does it hurt the fish?” My 
father assured me fish were different, they couldn’t feel pain 
and that was that. Over time I grew desensitized the sight of  
fish with torn mouths, gills and stomachs, bleeding, thrashing and 
dying. I learned that it was a “Sport”, and that I could even win
trophies and praise for doing it.

A decade later when I worked on the “Sport” fishing party boats, 
I still didn’t think there was anything fundamentally wrong with it,
 although I was uneasy with some of the gratuitous cruelty I witnessed: 
passengers killing birds for fun, and crew shooting seals to protect
 “their” fish.

> How could you write articles for sportfishing magazines if the idea
> of sportfishing is so abhorrent to you?  

I have written for four fishing publications and for seven years 
was associated with the publication, New Zealand Fisherman.  
During that time I wrote many articles and letters to the 
editor on the subject of hooking mortality, and avoiding the 
unnecessary destruction and suffering associated with some 
fishing practices. It was my hope that a frank and honest 
debate would allow amateur fishing to reform itself from 
within and clean up its act. 

It is to NZF’s credit that they were willing to publish 
dissenting viewpoints such as mine. However eventually 
pressure from advertisers and  
major “Sport” fishing organizations as far away as Hawaii 
and Florida, caused NZF’s editor to inform me that he was 
unwilling to publish any more articles relating to ethics 
or questioning the concept of “Sport” and that Animal Rights 
was absolutely off-limits as a topic. I have since resigned my
association with NZF.

What we are seeing here IMHO is “Sport” fishing institutions 
running scared from the possibility of an open and honest 
debate, and trying to keep the lid on it for as long as 
possible. It appears they will cling as long as possible to 
the premise of a “Sport” based on “fighting” a fish that 
can’t fight back. Most non-fishers will recognize this 
fallacy, and it’s worth noting that non-fishers outnumber 
fishers by a wide majority, despite all the talk of 
“Sport” fisher’s voting power.

> I've also worked on sport boats as a crewmember all through high shool
> and college, and while I've seen a couple of the things you mentioned
> (hooking seagulls attempted once), I think you're presenting a very
> skewed view of the average sportfishermen. 

Having fished in many situations and countries, witnessed 
many atrocities, and met many fishers as either crew-member 
or journalist and heard their attitudes, I don’t think I am 
presenting a skewed view of “Sport” fishers. While “Sport” 
fishers come from all walks of life, I think it’s inevitable 
that when you group people whose common bond is enjoyment 
of an activity that kills, wounds and maims animals, you 
end up with a group that is skewed from the overall population.

> As long as the crew has firm grasp on what is acceptable behavior and
> what is not, the majority of the passengers will not get out of line.
> Just my $0.02 worth,
> Markus

Often it’s the crew that gets out of line. While working on a 
well-known “sport” fishing boat off the Mexican coast, I 
watched the captain shoot a seal through the nose. Since 
this was highly illegal, he stayed on the top deck and used 
a .22 rifle rather than a high-powered rifle so that the 
passengers busy fishing on the bottom deck wouldn’t notice. 
The passengers didn't notice the shot or the seal shaking it’s 
head in agony 100 meters away, doomed to a probable slow and 
painful death. 

Guns often play a big part in the “Sport” fishing scene. 
I recall listening to a well-known Australian fishing guru 
brag about how he liked to blow away seabirds which were 
stealing fish scraps from his berley-trail. 
“Adds more flavour” he’d said. 

I witnessed a fatality of gun-happy “Sport” fishers, being 
carried off the aptly-named party boat, “Fishin Fool” on 
a stretcher. One of the crew was having a good time 
blasting sharks from the top deck and as he tracked one 
with his rifle a passenger’s head got in the way, as he 
fired. That incident is documented in The San Diego Union, 
if anyone cares to check it out.

After seven years of trying I have little hope that 
amateur fishing will make any progress in eliminating 
practices which are destructive, cruel and have no 
useful purpose. Following is a not-untypical response from 
a “Sport” fisher.

>Subject: RE: FISHING IS CRUEL - FURTHER EVIDENCE
>Date: 17 Apr 96 03:30:14 -0700
>From: SteviePee@msn.com (Steve Pearson)
>Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com)
>Newsgroups: alt.fishing
>References: <mrgb100-1504961700430001@mac120.nmus.pwf.cam.ac.uk>

>Hey Ho: >All this crap about fish feeling pain ASSUMES that I even GIVE at
>shit if they feel pain...I don't.  Now go bother someone who DOES
>give a shit.

>Stevie Pee

Usually the response from “Sport” fishers, and their institutions, 
is a bit more subtle, such as “not proven” or “not an appropriate 
topic for discussion”. Stevie’s response is just a bit more honest 
than most.

The unnecessary destruction and cruelty caused by “Sport” fishers 
doesn’t come from using barbed hooks instead of barbless hooks, 
or come from using treble hooks instead of single hooks, 
or come from using light line instead of heavy line, 
it comes from the heart.
- Craig Arfman


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From: Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz>
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My cat knocked my phone off the hook (she thinks it's a great toy) 
breaking my modem connection as I was sending this, so I am reposting.
(apologies in advance for any duplicate postings created) - Craig

>Markus Medak wrote:
> 
> Just curious, why did you fish for thousands of days if you think it's
> so terrible, and why in the world did you work as a deckhand (I know 
> it couldn't have been the money--seems to pay little above minimum 
> wage considering the hours you work)?

The only excuse I can offer is that for a long time I just didn’t 
know any better. When I started fishing at age seven, I asked the 
same question a lot of children ask, “Does it hurt the fish?” My 
father assured me fish were different, they couldn’t feel pain 
and that was that. Over time I grew desensitized the sight of  
fish with torn mouths, gills and stomachs, bleeding, thrashing and 
dying. I learned that it was a “Sport”, and that I could even win
trophies and praise for doing it.

A decade later when I worked on the “Sport” fishing party boats, 
I still didn’t think there was anything fundamentally wrong with it,
 although I was uneasy with some of the gratuitous cruelty I witnessed: 
passengers killing birds for fun, and crew shooting seals to protect
 “their” fish.

> How could you write articles for sportfishing magazines if the idea
> of sportfishing is so abhorrent to you?  

I have written for four fishing publications and for seven years 
was associated with the publication, New Zealand Fisherman.  
During that time I wrote many articles and letters to the 
editor on the subject of hooking mortality, and avoiding the 
unnecessary destruction and suffering associated with some 
fishing practices. It was my hope that a frank and honest 
debate would allow amateur fishing to reform itself from 
within and clean up its act. 

It is to NZF’s credit that they were willing to publish 
dissenting viewpoints such as mine. However eventually 
pressure from advertisers and  
major “Sport” fishing organizations as far away as Hawaii 
and Florida, caused NZF’s editor to inform me that he was 
unwilling to publish any more articles relating to ethics 
or questioning the concept of “Sport” and that Animal Rights 
was absolutely off-limits as a topic. I have since resigned my
association with NZF.

What we are seeing here IMHO is “Sport” fishing institutions 
running scared from the possibility of an open and honest 
debate, and trying to keep the lid on it for as long as 
possible. It appears they will cling as long as possible to 
the premise of a “Sport” based on “fighting” a fish that 
can’t fight back. Most non-fishers will recognize this 
fallacy, and it’s worth noting that non-fishers outnumber 
fishers by a wide majority, despite all the talk of 
“Sport” fisher’s voting power.

> I've also worked on sport boats as a crewmember all through high shool
> and college, and while I've seen a couple of the things you mentioned
> (hooking seagulls attempted once), I think you're presenting a very
> skewed view of the average sportfishermen. 

Having fished in many situations and countries, witnessed 
many atrocities, and met many fishers as either crew-member 
or journalist and heard their attitudes, I don’t think I am 
presenting a skewed view of “Sport” fishers. While “Sport” 
fishers come from all walks of life, I think it’s inevitable 
that when you group people whose common bond is enjoyment 
of an activity that kills, wounds and maims animals, you 
end up with a group that is skewed from the overall population.

> As long as the crew has firm grasp on what is acceptable behavior and
> what is not, the majority of the passengers will not get out of line.
> Just my $0.02 worth,
> Markus

Often it’s the crew that gets out of line. While working on a 
well-known “sport” fishing boat off the Mexican coast, I 
watched the captain shoot a seal through the nose. Since 
this was highly illegal, he stayed on the top deck and used 
a .22 rifle rather than a high-powered rifle so that the 
passengers busy fishing on the bottom deck wouldn’t notice. 
The passengers didn't notice the shot or the seal shaking it’s 
head in agony 100 meters away, doomed to a probable slow and 
painful death. 

Guns often play a big part in the “Sport” fishing scene. 
I recall listening to a well-known Australian fishing guru 
brag about how he liked to blow away seabirds which were 
stealing fish scraps from his berley-trail. 
“Adds more flavour” he’d said. 

I witnessed a fatality of gun-happy “Sport” fishers, being 
carried off the aptly-named party boat, “Fishin Fool” on 
a stretcher. One of the crew was having a good time 
blasting sharks from the top deck and as he tracked one 
with his rifle a passenger’s head got in the way, as he 
fired. That incident is documented in The San Diego Union, 
if anyone cares to check it out.

After seven years of trying I have little hope that 
amateur fishing will make any progress in eliminating 
practices which are destructive, cruel and have no 
useful purpose. Following is a not-untypical response from 
a “Sport” fisher.

>Subject: RE: FISHING IS CRUEL - FURTHER EVIDENCE
>Date: 17 Apr 96 03:30:14 -0700
>From: SteviePee@msn.com (Steve Pearson)
>Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com)
>Newsgroups: alt.fishing
>References: <mrgb100-1504961700430001@mac120.nmus.pwf.cam.ac.uk>

>Hey Ho: >All this crap about fish feeling pain ASSUMES that I even GIVE at
>shit if they feel pain...I don't.  Now go bother someone who DOES
>give a shit.

>Stevie Pee

Usually the response from “Sport” fishers, and their institutions, 
is a bit more subtle, such as “not proven” or “not an appropriate 
topic for discussion”. Stevie’s response is just a bit more honest 
than most.

The unnecessary destruction and cruelty caused by “Sport” fishers 
doesn’t come from using barbed hooks instead of barbless hooks, 
or come from using treble hooks instead of single hooks, 
or come from using light line instead of heavy line, 
it comes from the heart.
- Craig Arfman


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> I witnessed:
> passengers killing birds for fun, and crew shooting seals to protect
>  =B3their=B2 fish.

> Having fished in many situations and countries, witnessed
> many atrocities, and met many fishers as either crew-member
> or journalist and heard their attitudes, I don=B9t think I am
> presenting a skewed view of =B3Sport=B2 fishers.

> - Craig Arfman

You are basically full of shit, and I wish you would quit flooding this new=
sgroup with your childish whining. I have been a =

fisherman for over 40 years, inshore and offshore, freshwater and saltwater=
, in camps, in my own boat, on charter boats and =

party boats, on all three U.S. coasts. I have never, NEVER seen ANY of the =
events you describe.

One time I did see a seagull get hooked accidently. While the deckhand trie=
d to remove the hook, everybody rushed up and =

gathered around, frowning with concern over whether or not the bird could b=
e saved (it was, by the way).

Your descriptions of people "blasting away at sharks" with guns is sheer fa=
ntasy. Firearms aren't even allowed on party or =

charter boats.

And whatever "cruelty" you DID see is nothing compared with nature. I guess=
 you never saw a bald eagle holding down a fish =

with one foot, while tearing little chunks out of it with its beak, or doin=
g the same thing with a rabbit, eating it alive, =

one bite at a time, while the captured animal screams in horror.

I remember seeing a film of two sharks. One was feeding on a whale carcass.=
 The second shark was busy tearing football-sized =

chunks out of the first shark, which continued to feed on the whale carcass=
 as if nothing were happening. =


You are a typical animal-rights extremist who can not tolerate reality, but=
 sustain y=F8ur own little fantasy world, in which =

you are some kind of self-proclaimed knight in shining armor. Like all of t=
hem, you do this stuff to serve your own =

emotional needs, not because you are truly knowledgeable and/or concerned a=
bout the subject. Now please go away.

Ron Morgan
ref@bga.com


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In article <3182A76F.BFF@taranaki.ac.nz>,
Craig Arfman  <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
>
>What we are seeing here IMHO is “Sport” fishing institutions 
>running scared from the possibility of an open and honest 
>debate, and trying to keep the lid on it for as long as 
>possible. It appears they will cling as long as possible to 
>the premise of a “Sport” based on “fighting” a fish that 
>can’t fight back. Most non-fishers will recognize this 
>fallacy, and it’s worth noting that non-fishers outnumber 
>fishers by a wide majority, despite all the talk of 
>“Sport” fisher’s voting power.

I think this is an important point for all fishermen to digest.
Someone posted a good response to PETA's hunting surveys, which
showed that while a slight majority of Americans don't/wouldn't
hunt, the vast majorty (nearly 90%) supported the right to hunt.
So non-fishermen being a vast majority (~75% by my reckoning)
isn't a factor AS LONG AS we keep behavior acceptable to most
people.

i.e. Don't do anything stupid.  Image counts.

>Having fished in many situations and countries, witnessed 
>many atrocities, and met many fishers as either crew-member 
>or journalist and heard their attitudes, I don’t think I am 
>presenting a skewed view of “Sport” fishers. While “Sport” 
>fishers come from all walks of life, I think it’s inevitable 
>that when you group people whose common bond is enjoyment 
>of an activity that kills, wounds and maims animals, you 
>end up with a group that is skewed from the overall population.

I have to disagree.  Fishermen make up such a large portion of
the population (around 70-90 million in the U.S. alone) that
it's statistically impossible for the "average" fisherman to
be too far off the mainstream.  That is, even if you assumed
a worst-case, starting with the most violent criminals and
working down the list to people who've gotten speeding tickets
and so on until you get 70 million people, that group is so
large their average is going to be close to the national average.
(Don't make me crank out standard deviations.  ;)

I think your memory is overstating the really obnoxious behavior
you've witnessed (which makes a really big impression).  I've
seen some outlandish behavior myself, but I'd attribute it to
only about 5% of the fishermen I've seen.
-- 
John H. Kim
jokim@mit.edu
jokim@tuna.mit.edu


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Larry,
I know the situation you are in. I managed a fee for fishing hatchery in MN for a few years...we sold appx. 600K worth of fish from two 1/10 acre ponds!! The marketing was key but asthetics played a big part..alge and weeds do not bode well.

On a different note, re your algae/weed problem. The carp are the best weed control...don't even need fancy grass carp; the domestic type do a very good job. High nitrates will make algae bloom like crazy...the cow shit is a problem you are stuck with unless you can convince you're neighbor to diaper the bovins.   Copper sulfate works as good as anything ..get it at your local pool supply & check local regs. re using it w/food fish.

If you want to stay chem. free I suggest damming up a portion of the stream (downstream from the cows) and starting a good crop of cattails or water cress...they will do the job but require lots of area....surface area of roots is what you want. These plants wil devour nitrates and phosphates and help you keep your ponds algae free.

Good luck!


-- 
Bill Mebane
Life Support Systems Operator
Marine Resource Center, Marine Biological Laboratory
bmebane@mbl.edu


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Craig "who hid my %$@ing Prozac" Arfman (c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz) wrote:

: > How could you write articles for sportfishing magazines if the idea
: > of sportfishing is so abhorrent to you?  

: I have written for four fishing publications and for seven years 
: was associated with the publication, New Zealand Fisherman.  
: During that time I wrote many articles and letters to the 
: editor on the subject of hooking mortality, and avoiding the 
: unnecessary destruction and suffering associated with some 
: fishing practices. It was my hope that a frank and honest 
: debate would allow amateur fishing to reform itself from 
: within and clean up its act. 

There's "frank and honest debate", then there's "putting up with Craig",
which is a tad different.  The latter involves being bombarded regularly
with tons of stuff that you'll never get around to reading (as witness
that Craig doesn't understand half of it either). Furthermore, discussion
ceases only when you agree 110% with Craig. 

For those gentle readers who have never encountered Craig Arfman before, 
trust me, this has been going on for a long time. His time on the SALT-L 
mailing list a few months back was almost identical to his stay here. Any 
time anyone mentioned releasing a fish - any thread, anywhere - Arfy was 
on him like a wino on a bottle of Thunderbird. Which means of course that 
3 out of 4 posts were bombed by him, making virtually all other traffic 
grind to a halt. He was pretty definite in his belief that all fish that 
were released were destined to die immediately, and he'd quote vast lists 
of studies to back up his position. Of course, under more detailed 
questioning, he said he *always* released fish which were under the size 
limits (or from "inedible" species). Which means, I guess, that it's okay 
for *these* fish to die.

No folks, Craig meets the classic definition of a fanatic - unable to 
change his mind, unable to change the subject.

: It is to NZF’s credit that they were willing to publish 
: dissenting viewpoints such as mine. However eventually 
: pressure from advertisers and  
: major “Sport” fishing organizations as far away as Hawaii 
: and Florida, caused NZF’s editor to inform me that he was 
: unwilling to publish any more articles relating to ethics 
: or questioning the concept of “Sport” and that Animal Rights 
: was absolutely off-limits as a topic. I have since resigned my
: association with NZF.

Let's see if I get this straight - does "Ebony" make room for editorial
input from the Klan? Why then should a publication for fishermen provide a
forum for someone who hates so many of us for so little reason? Face it
Arfy, the "animal rights" movement exists solely to impose urban values
(and, BTW, ignorant know-nothing values developed in a vacuum by city kids
with no exposure *what the &^%$ ever* to hunting, fishing, trapping, etc)
on the rest of us, especially rural folks, who they despise. It's raw
hatred, it's ignorance, and it's no more socially redeeming than the crap
peddled by the Klan, the Nazis and similar scum. 

Grow up Craig, and find some other place to play.
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From mebooker@atnet.net Sun May  5 13:49:51 EDT 1996
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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Salmon Spill!!???
Date: 27 Apr 1996 02:49:27 GMT
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TO:  Martin_Brady Allen <allenb@ava.BCC.ORST.EDU>

You wrote:

The spill on the Snake that you are talking about was done by the Army Corps of Engineers while 
they were installing a surface collector for smolts. Because of setbacks and typical poor 
planning they ended up installing it during the height of smolt migration and spilling 2.5 
times the ammount of water recommended.  This is what elevated nitrogen to lethal levels, blame 
the Army not river managers. Barging doesn't work spilling might. Be wary of studies done by 
industry biologists, check the funding source before you believe the results.  

---------------------------------------

Dear Martin_Brady Allen:

I have a question about your posting.  You stated that “Barging doesn't work spilling might.”  

Could you please sent your reference of this statement.  Also the funding source of the 
reference study would be helpful for evaluation.  

Thank You,

Mark





From quagdop@ns.nque.com Sun May  5 13:49:51 EDT 1996
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From: quagdop@ns.nque.com (Don Bunnell)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Weight of Daphnia
Date: 27 Apr 1996 15:56:22 GMT
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In article <01bb309a.110bbf60$679b83c0@dialup.lu.lincoln.edu>, Chris
Wilson <98cwilson@kamsc.k12.mi.us> wrote:

> Does anyone at least know the average weight of a Daphnia (magna)?  Or
> could someone direct me to information to this topic.

Chris,

The person you should contact is Dr. Edward Mills at Cornell University. 
His address and phone is

Dr. Ed Mills
Cornell Biological Field Station
900 Shackelton Point Road
Bridgeport, NY 13030-9750
(315) 633-9243

He has years of data on zooplankton in Oneida Lake, NY and weight-length
relationships too.  I am sure he would be able to help you.

Tell him Don Bunnell referred you.

Quagdop@ns.nque.com


From mebooker@atnet.net Sun May  5 13:49:51 EDT 1996
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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
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Dear Josh:

Glad to see you weigh in at,
   Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries.

You are right on target.  History will show that some have tried to mislead salmon recovery.  I 
say history will show, because the newspapers will not print the truth so the truth will come 
out later.  

Thanks for your good work!

Mark, from the land of the Mighty Columbia!!





From mebooker@atnet.net Sun May  5 13:49:52 EDT 1996
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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
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Organization:  Oregon State University

You Wrote:

The spill on the Snake that you are talking about was done by the Army
Corps of Engineers while they were installing a surface collector for
smolts. Because of setbacks and typical poor planning they ended up
installing it during the height of smolt migration and spilling 2.5 times
the ammount of water recommended.  This is what elevated nitrogen to
lethal levels, blame the Army not river managers. Barging doesn't work
spilling might. Be wary of studies done by industry biologists, check the
funding source before you believe the results.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Brady Allen:

Please check out the Biological Opinion by the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS).  This 
is the scientific work that should have backed up the NMFS salmon recovery plan.  In brief: the 
Biological opinion finds that barging greatly increases the number of returning salmon.  In 
fact about 1.5 times the number barged will return over fish left in the river.  

Mark, from the land of the Mighty Columbia!  




From Simen.Gaure@math.uio.no Sun May  5 13:49:52 EDT 1996
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The site contains, among other things, a comprehensive collection of
texts on marine mammal management and related issues.
 
>From  <http://www.highnorth.no/hnatext.htm>:
 
<QUOTE>
About the High North Alliance

      The office of the High North Alliance (HNA) is situated in Reine,
      the Lofoten Islands, Norway (photos) - a fishing hamlet with a
      population of 400.  The organisation, whose staff consists of one
      full-time and one part-time employee, was founded in 1991 as a
      result of cooperation by the Lofoten Regional Council (Lofotredet)
      and the Nordland Small-type Whaler's Association.

      The organisation was established in response to the campaigns
      calling for a total ban on all commercial whaling and sealing; and
      the even more radical ones calling for a total ban on the killing of
      marine mammals for any reason whatsoever.  HNA's task is to provide
      alternative information to these campaigns.  The organisation's
      objective is to protect the rights of whalers, sealers and fishermen
      to harvest renewable resources in accordance with the principle of
      sustainable management.  HNA also works towards consolidating the
      knowledge and skills necessary for the ecologically sound management
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From: josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)
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Subject: Re: Salmon Spill!!???
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In-reply-to: Martin_Brady Allen's message of Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:56:51 -0700

>>> Martin Brady Allen writes:
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960425113813.9594A-100000@ava.bcc.orst.edu> Martin_Brady Allen <allenb@bcc.orst.edu> writes:


  Martin> My post was not meant as an attack on the specific study
  Martin> cited, or Dr.  Anderson....

[snip, snip]

Well, fine. That's that.

  Martin> To you Dr. Andersons student (sorry I forgot your name),
  Martin> since you think that spilling is not the way to go. What is
  Martin> your answer for saving the salmon right now?

Ack, I'm not a student any more; once Texas gave me a Ph.D. they were
insistent that I get out. I've been doing research work ever since.

As for saving the salmon, it's pretty obvious that the entire life
cycle of the animal now takes place in a completely unnatural
system. One can argue convincingly that they're taking abnormally big
hits at every single phase of the life cycle. The question is, where
in the life cycle can we put our limited resources to work to produce
the largest positive impact? Sure, the hydrosystem is a problem, but I
don't think spilling water over the dam provides more than a
band-aid. The suggestions released in the research council report this
last week that John Day and McNary reservoirs be drawn down to near
original levels to provide spawning and rearing habitat and improved
downstream passage is intriguing, and I think they're on the right
track: improving spawning/rearing habitat is the key to survival and
eventual recovery. But as for dealing with the dams, I think there are
only two ways to go: transport everything that shows up, or draw the
pools down to natural-river levels. Everything else is a halfway
effort and doomed to failure.

I'd also point out that it's become pretty clear that ocean conditions
have a lot to do with salmon stock health. Note that coastal salmon
runs in Oregon and Washington have also been declining along with the
Columbia/Snake stocks, despite the fact that their natal streams are
completely unregulated. Recent examination of physical trends suggests
that ocean conditions fluctuate on a roughly bidecadal scale, and
since about 1977 we've been in a "bad for southern stocks" phase. It
should flop back the other way soon, and that should help
somewhat. References on this topic are available if someone wants to
look up some papers on the matter (I have the manuscripts; some are a
year or two old and should be out by now).

All IMHO, of course, and I would emphasize that these are solely my
opinions and no one else is to blame for them.

Josh Hayes, Research Consultant
Columbia Basin Research
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From arklier@frugal.com Sun May  5 13:49:53 EDT 1996
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From: arklier@frugal.com (Arklier)
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My question is, what are you trying to do posting to the alt.fishing
newsgroup besides pissing people off? Other than a few who also make
posts like this, there is no one here who enjoys or even listens to
this kind of post. We've all heard it all before. What are you, a
troll or something? You're just wasting your breath and our time. 

And yes, I love to fish. It is a legal activity and I intend to enjoy
a sport I've loved since childhood. And while I sometimes kill (yes,
kill) the fish I catch, just like any other animal would, I like to
think I'm a lot more humane to the fish than a cat or otter would be.
Really guys, you should get out there and see what the natural  world
is all about. 

While I do not condone the obvious acts of cruelty you gave as
examples, I can tell you from personal experience, incidents like
these are the exception, not the rule. Does everyone in your movement
break into medical labs armed with guns to 'liberate' diseased test
subjects? I rest my case.



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Arklier

"Watch the face! I just had it chromed!"



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 ICCAT 25TH ANNIVERSARY

 TUNA SYMPOSIUM

 June 10 - 18, 1996
 Ponta Delgada
 Sao Miguel Island
 Azores, Portugal










International Commission 
for the 
Conservation of Atlantic Tunas




The International Convention for the Conservation of Atlantic 
Tunas (ICCAT) was signed in 1966 to ensure the conservation 
and rational management of Atlantic tunas. At the time of its 
creation, total tuna catches in the Atlantic were about half the 
present level and most of the stocks were then still under-
exploited. Since that time, a spectacular development in the 
Atlantic tuna fisheries has been observed in most areas and for 
most tuna stocks: various Atlantic tuna stocks are now 
approaching their maximum biological productivity, and some 
stocks are already heavily over-exploited. This impressive 
development of the tuna fisheries has been closely monitored 
and constantly assessed by ICCAT's Standing Committee on 
Research and Statistics (SCRS).

The Symposium will represent the first ICCAT forum with the 
objective of developing an intensive and in-depth analysis of 
the validity and limits of the various data, models and 
hypotheses used by the SCRS during its 25 years of activities. 
The conclusions and recommendations drawn from this 
Symposium will obviously be of major benefit to the efficiency 
of research conducted on Atlantic tunas and of ICCAT 
management measures. The results will also be of considerable 
potential interest for tuna research and management in other 
oceans, as most of the biological and migratory features 
characteristic of tunas are very similar for each species, 
independent of ocean, as are the research methodologies used.

All the scientific problems related to research and rational 
management of Atlantic tunas and tuna-like species will be 
reviewed during the Symposium, as indicated in the Agenda. 
All scientists interested in tuna research are invited to 
participate in the Symposium; contribution papers and 
presentations in other forms are now being solicited.

1. Date and Place  

June 10 (Mon) - June 18 (Tue) 1996

Hotel Azores Atlantico, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel Island, Azores, 
Portugal, at the invitation of Regional Secretary of Agriculture and 
Fisheries of the Autonomous Regional Government of the Azores, 
Portugal.

2. Symposium procedures 

Contributions for the Symposium can be made in three different 
ways: 

(1)	Oral presentations (given during the plenary sessions)
(2)	Poster presentations (on display in the lobby) 
(3)	Audio-visual presentations (given in the evenings). 

Dr. A. Fonteneau will serve as the General Chairman of the 
Symposium. Discussions of each Agenda item will be presided by a 
Moderator and will begin with a general review prepared by the 
Moderator and selected scientists. This will be followed by oral 
presentations pertinent to the Agenda item. At the end of each item, 
a discussion session will be held to reach conclusions and to make 
recommendations for the future. 

Simultaneous interpretation (in English, French and Spanish) will 
be provided for the duration of the Symposium for discussions taking 
place in the main session, but not during informal working groups 
which may be established during the course of the Symposium. 

3. Guidelines for presentations

For the oral (contribution papers), audio-visual, and poster presenta-
tions. 

-	Registration of titles for all the presentations, including a 
brief summary of the presentation (in the attached format) and 
reference to the specific Agenda item to which the presentation 
refers: March 15, 1996. (Electronic submission via e-mail or on 
diskette in MS DOS is acceptable.)

-	Confirmation of presentations, including final modifications 
to summaries submitted previously: May 1, 1996. Also by this 
same date, those presenting posters should indicate the amount of 
space required and those with audio-visual presentations should 
specify the duration of the presentation as well as the equipment 
required. The final summaries will be translated and made 
available at the Symposium in the three official languages of the 
Commission.
   
-	Copies of contribution papers for distribution among all the 
participants are not required, unless the presenter so wishes. 
However, a hard copy, as well as computer files of text, tables and 
figures, should be provided to the Secretariat by the last day of the 
Symposium, i.e., June 18, 1996.

-	The time allotted for each oral presentation will be based on 
the number of summaries provided by the deadline of 1 May 1996. 
At the discretion of the Steering Committee, 10 to 30 minutes will 
be allotted for each paper (including any question/answer period, 
specifically concerning the paper). 

-	The Report of the ICCAT Tuna Symposium, including the 
peer-reviewed Moderators' review papers and contribution papers, 
will be published in a hard bound volume. All the papers will be 
evaluated by two outside reviewers for publication. An "Editorial 
Committee" comprising the members of the Steering Committee 
and Symposium Moderators will meet after the outside review 
process has been completed on all the papers, in order to finalize 
the editorial arrangements for the publication of the Report of the 
Symposium.




	SYMPOSIUM AGENDA

1.Opening of the Symposium

2.Procedural matters (Adoption of Agenda, meeting arrangements, 
introduction of participants, etc.)

3.Review of history of past tuna research (Moderator: P. M. 
Miyake)
	June 10 (Mon.)-morning
	
4.Stock structure and mixing (Moderator: S. Turner)
	June 10 (Mon.)-afternoon & June 11 (Tue.)-morning

5.Tunas and the environment (Moderator: A. Fonteneau)
	June 11 (Tue.)-afternoon & June 12 (Wed.)-morning
	
6.Stock assessments and projections (Moderator: V. Restrepo)
	June 12 (Wed.)-afternoon & June 13 (Thu.) all day

7.Responsible fishing (Moderator: J. L. Cort)
	June 14 (Fri.)-morning and part afternoon 

8.Social and economic factors influencing tuna fishing  (Moderator: 
R. Lent)
	June 14 (Fri.)-afternoon & June 15 (Sat.)-morning

9.Management advice (Moderators: P. Pallares and Z. Suzuki)
	June 15 (Sat.)-afternoon & June 17 (Mon.)-morning

10.General discussion
	June 17 (Mon.)-afternoon & June 18 (Tue.)-morning

11.Adoption of Report
	June 18 (Tue.)-afternoon

12.Adjournment















All inquiries should be addressed to:

		Dr. P. M. Miyake
		Symposium Secretary
		ICCAT Secretariat
		Calle Est‚banez Calder¢n, no. 3
		28020 Madrid, Spain
		Tel: (34 1) 579 3352
		Fax: (34 1) 571 5299
		E-mail: Peter.Miyake@iccat.es


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From: JPVIANA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Joao Paulo Viana)
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Interested in South American fish pictures?

Try:

www.nrm.se/ve/pisces/acara/cichpage.html  -  The Cichlid Homepage

www.cr-am.rnp.br/cpba/colecao.html  -  Fish collection, Brazilian Intitute
                                       for Research in the Amazon, Manaus, 
                                       Amazonas



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From: jeffs@msc.cornell.edu (Jeff Smith)
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John H. Kim (jokim@tuna.mit.edu) wrote:
: I think your memory is overstating the really obnoxious behavior
: you've witnessed (which makes a really big impression).  I've
: seen some outlandish behavior myself, but I'd attribute it to
: only about 5% of the fishermen I've seen.

Remember a while back when people were shooting each other on the 
California freeway system?  Boy were those motorists violent.  I
sure was hoping that they would start banning cars.  Actually, the
most outlandish behavior I think I've seen by fishermen was by people
who cut in front of you in the boat launch lane, and those who see
you catching fish and feel that they can pull up a seat and fish right 
beside you.  On the scale of human atrocities, that's not too bad.


There is no reasoning with some people, and I count rabid PETA
activists among them.  Nevertheless, John, you posted a great 
response a long time ago to a thread about whether or not fish
feel pain.  You based it on biology, and talked about why fish
aren't suffocating when they are pulled out of water.  I wish I
would have saved it.  Care to repost?  



--
Jeff Smith				       Graduate student
jeffs@msc.cornell.edu			       Materials Science & Engineering
http://www.msc.cornell.edu/~jeffs	       Cornell University, Ithaca, NY


From neubert@ng-wj.dfn.de Sun May  5 13:49:54 EDT 1996
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Hi,

does anybody know something about the use of neuronet techniques in the
prediction of fish populations?

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From brett3@ix.netcom.com Sun May  5 13:49:54 EDT 1996
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
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In <4m2q8e$n20@barad-dur.nas.com> Bob McClure <rhayman@sos.net> writes:

>
>You might try the American Fisheries  Society at
>
>www.esd.ornl.gov/AAFS//index.html
>
>good luck.
>
>
Bob,

You didn't say what kind of fish.  I have a homepage with lots of fish
images, most of them are koi and a few largemouth bass.  If you want to
take a look, go to http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html take the
Great Lakes link.  All the images can be enlarged by clicking on them. 
Hope this helps,

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas


From pictfish.fishtc.gauthieg@gov.ns.ca Sun May  5 13:49:54 EDT 1996
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testing



From abielak@gov.nb.ca Sun May  5 13:49:55 EDT 1996
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From: abielak@gov.nb.ca (Alex Bielak)
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I think a reply is merited if only because the "animal righters" are going
to become ever-more of a factor. I have been involved in a series of 
multi-agency studies on catch and release of wild Atlantic salmon. Bruce Tufts 
and I recently did an article which appeared in the fall issue of Wild 
Steelhead and Atlantic Salmon Magazine in which we detailed the evolution of 
catch and release fishing for AS in N. America as well as giving preliminary 
results of some of the studies. 

This raised a lot of interest and the piece has been reprised in several other 
publications. Bruce's group at Queen's has been involved in C&R studies of 
both bass and salmon and the results have been widely published in both the 
primary literature (more papers either in press or in the works) and in 
magazines, including WS&AS, Rod and Reel and the Atlantic salmon Journal.

The bottom line from the salmon work is that in cold water release situations 
mortalities are minimal (probably less than 5%, but that in warmer waters IF 
FISH TAKE then one can expect highter mortalities. The results have led to 
extensions of salmon angling seasons across the east coast.

In article <4lqf96$ndj@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
   brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley) wrote:
>Hey people,
>
>I'm asking for your help here.  This guy (Craig) has been stirring the
>pot over in the fishing groups.  He is basically of the opinion that
>catch and release fishing destroys a fishery, that mortalities
>associated with same are unacceptable, that sportfishermen are
>deplorable, and that catch and release fishing should be banned. 
>Please not that he has not advocated banning fishing altogether, just
>catch and release as done for sporting purposes.
>
>My opinion opposes his.  



SNIP  Now, I
>need some help in finding some modern day studies that support my view.
>I would also like to hear from any of you that may have worked on same,
>or even on some of the old studies he quotes from the seventies that
>supports his view.  
>
>I thank the entire group in advance, and I would like to hear from
>either view.
>
>Brett Rowley
>Fisheries Biologist
>Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
>West Columbia, Texas


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Sun May  5 13:49:55 EDT 1996
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From: Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz>
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Fishb412 wrote:
> 
> Fact:  Catch and keep kills 100% of fish.  Any lesser kill that  results
> from C&R fishing is conservation of the resource.
> .

Looked at that way, it is possible to justify catch-and-release 
fishing which leaves our lakes, oceans and streams littered with dead 
and dying fish as "Conservation". Just leaving the fish alone kills NO 
fish. But, apparantly the thrill of "fighting" a fish that can't fight 
back is irresistable to some.
- Craig Arfman


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From: Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz>
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Arklier wrote:
> 
> My question is, what are you trying to do posting to the alt.fishing
> newsgroup besides pissing people off? 

What I am attempting to do here is to get "sport" fishers to consider 
the consequences of their actions and reconsider what they are doing.

>Other than a few who also make
> posts like this, there is no one here who enjoys or even listens to
> this kind of post. We've all heard it all before. 
>What are you, a
> troll or something? You're just wasting your breath and our time.

I'm not surprised. Anyone who can convince themselves that they are 
"fighting" a fish which is only trying to escape, or that leaving dead 
fish rotting on the bottom is "Conservation" is going to 
be hard to reason with.
 
> And yes, I love to fish. It is a legal activity and I intend to enjoy
> a sport I've loved since childhood.

> Arklier 
> "Watch the face! I just had it chromed!"

I agree with you on one thing, this thread has gone on long enough 
already. I would however make one final plea that "Sport" fishers (and 
catch-and-release practitioners in particular)examine their consciences, 
reconsider their actions and stop preaching "conservation" while 
practicing environmental vandalism.
- Craig Arfman


From wkannabl@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca Sun May  5 13:49:56 EDT 1996
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RIVER REHABILITATION / STREAM RESTORATION COURSES 

Introductory  courses are directed at managers, agency personnel,
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From johnsoa@gov.on.ca Sun May  5 13:49:56 EDT 1996
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From: johnsoa@gov.on.ca (Allan Johnson)
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markblake7@aol.com (MarkBlake7) writes:

>Does anyone know the amount of lead present in fish (mg/kg) that will pose
>a toxicity risk and/or carcinogenic risk (yes, even lead may be a
>carcinogen) of 1 out of 1 million people assuming an average consumption
>of  20 g/day of fish and a lifespan of 70 years?

Background levels of lead in freshwater sportfish in Ontario are 
generally less than 0.6 ppm in the edible flesh.
Levels in whole fish will be considerably higher since about 85% of the 
lead in fish is in the bony parts (bones and scales).
At one time lead up to 10 ppm was acceptable in fish (generally levels 
were higher in tinned fish because of solder from the can) but currently 
criteria of 2 to 3 ppm are more common. Thius assumes the lead is in the 
inorganic form and that the consumer is an adult assimilating about 10% 
of the lead from the edible flesh portion.

If lead is in the organic form such as tetraethyl/tetramethyl lead from 
gasoline assimilation is more like 100% and the potential toxicity is 
much greater.

What form of lead are you concerned about?

The 20gm/day is too high for most fish consumers except sport anglers or 
people living off the land.

Allan Johnson



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You might try the American Fisheries  Society at

www.esd.ornl.gov/AAFS//index.html

good luck.



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>>Other than a few who also make
>> posts like this, there is no one here who enjoys or even listens to
>> this kind of post. We've all heard it all before. 
>>What are you, a
>> troll or something? You're just wasting your breath and our time. 
>I agree with you on one thing, this thread has gone on long enough 
>already. I would however make one final plea that "Sport" fishers (and 
>catch-and-release practitioners in particular)examine their consciences, 
>reconsider their actions and stop preaching "conservation" while 
>practicing environmental vandalism.
>- Craig Arfman

Bye Craig (I hope)
Denny




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In article <31866F1D.40BA@taranaki.ac.nz>, Craig Arfman
<c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:

> 
> I'm not surprised. Anyone who can convince themselves that they are 
> "fighting" a fish which is only trying to escape, or that leaving dead 
> fish rotting on the bottom is "Conservation" is going to 
> be hard to reason with.

Good God man, it's a fish.  It's not like we're talking about a child. 
look around you.  why don't you take your energy somewhere else.  Dunblain
Scotland comes to mind. You could protest mad men and their insanity.  Why
kill 16 innocent people.  That's a real cause, one I'm sure anyone here
would support. 
  
> I agree with you on one thing, this thread has gone on long enough 
> already. I would however make one final plea that "Sport" fishers (and 
> catch-and-release practitioners in particular)examine their consciences, 
> reconsider their actions and stop preaching "conservation" while 
> practicing environmental vandalism.
> - Craig Arfman

My conscience is clear

-- 

Just another day.
The CH-147, gone but not forgotten!!


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Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:

>Fishb412 wrote:
>> 
>> Fact:  Catch and keep kills 100% of fish.  Any lesser kill that  results
>> from C&R fishing is conservation of the resource.
>> .

I beg to differ on your "fact".  Studies done in Canada have
demonstrated that with proper handling (as little as possible)
survival rates of fish are quite high.





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In article <31866A73.5134@taranaki.ac.nz>, c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz 
says...
.
. Just leaving the fish alone kills NO 
>fish. 

Craig,
Just out of curiousity, what exactly is your position on sportfishing? 
 A complete ban, or just a ban on C&R?
--Markus



From mbaltzly@apsc.com Sun May  5 13:49:59 EDT 1996
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From: mbaltzly@apsc.com (Michael Baltzly)
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"Chilean sea bass" is a popular food fish.  I had assumed that this
was white seabass, _Atractoscion_, or possibly wreckfish, _Polyprion_.
I recently saw a package of frozen Chilean sea bass that said that the
fish are taken on (floating?) longlines over a wide area of the South
Atlantic and Pacific.  White seabass aren't found that far offshore,
and large wreckfish are associated with the bottom, so I guess they
can't be Chilean sea bass.

Can anyone tell me what a Chilean sea bass is, and describe the
fishery?

Mike Baltzly
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From vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Sun May  5 13:49:59 EDT 1996
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From: Greg Van Eeckhout <vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
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Hey the real name of PETA is "people eating tasty animals" check it out 
arfman or whatever your name was. Just point your browser here-- :) 
http://www.peta.org/

sorry I just got feed up with this thread, Greg


From robert.hatcher@citicorp.com Sun May  5 13:49:59 EDT 1996
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Geoff Quaile wrote:
> 
> Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
> 
> >Fishb412 wrote:
> >>
> >> Fact:  Catch and keep kills 100% of fish.  Any lesser kill that  results
> >> from C&R fishing is conservation of the resource.
> >> .
> 
> I beg to differ on your "fact".  Studies done in Canada have
> demonstrated that with proper handling (as little as possible)
> survival rates of fish are quite high.

No, I think the first statement was correct.  Catch and keep kills 100% of the 
fish (unless you have a tank or pond that you transplant them to.)  You were
probably referring to catch and release stats, which we've probably all heard 
ranging from <1% to greater than 50%.  I'd kind of like to think that my C&R
fish all survive, but I expect I lose a few....
-- 
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	      Rob Hatcher	         robert.hatcher@citicorp.com

             "Please don't remember me for anything I may have said."

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From jokim@tuna.mit.edu Sun May  5 13:50:00 EDT 1996
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From: jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim)
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In article <4m5fa3$pjg@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
Jeff Smith <jeffs@msc.cornell.edu> wrote:
>John H. Kim (jokim@tuna.mit.edu) wrote:
>: I think your memory is overstating the really obnoxious behavior
>: you've witnessed (which makes a really big impression).  I've
>: seen some outlandish behavior myself, but I'd attribute it to
>: only about 5% of the fishermen I've seen.
>
>sure was hoping that they would start banning cars.  Actually, the
>most outlandish behavior I think I've seen by fishermen was by people
>who cut in front of you in the boat launch lane, and those who see
>you catching fish and feel that they can pull up a seat and fish right 
>beside you.  On the scale of human atrocities, that's not too bad.

I've seen people shoot at sea lions, throw firecrackers into the
water, deliberately try to hook birds, catch fish and leave them
on the pier, etc.  Now that I think about it, I did do a lot of
pier fishing in high school, and behavior amongst those fishing
off boats isn't as bad.  I'd say about 2% for "hardcore" boat 
fishermen.

>There is no reasoning with some people, and I count rabid PETA
>activists among them.  Nevertheless, John, you posted a great 
>response a long time ago to a thread about whether or not fish
>feel pain.  You based it on biology, and talked about why fish
>aren't suffocating when they are pulled out of water.  I wish I
>would have saved it.  Care to repost?  

Unfortunately I don't save these things either.  :)

In a nutshell, the sensation of suffocation you feel is due to
carbon dioxide buildup in your lungs.  If someone were to remove
all the oxygen in the air, you would die never feeling a thing.
If there is enough oxygen but the CO2 concentration is high (like
on submarines), the air is "stale" and you feel short of breath
and anxious/panicky.  For that matter, all you have to do is
breathe to get rid of the suffocation sensation (but not the
axiousness) -- that's why plastic bags are so dangerous.

As far as I know, fish have no similar "suffocation" sensation.
-- 
John H. Kim
jokim@mit.edu
jokim@tuna.mit.edu


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Sun May  5 13:50:00 EDT 1996
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From: Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz>
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Ron Morgan wrote:
> 
> > I witnessed:
> > passengers killing birds for fun, and crew shooting seals to protect
> >  ³their² fish.

> You are basically full of shit, and I wish you would quit flooding this newsgroup with your childish whining. I have been a
> fisherman for over 40 years, inshore and offshore, freshwater and saltwater, in camps, in my own boat, on charter boats and
> party boats, on all three U.S. coasts. I have never, NEVER seen ANY of the events you describe.

> Your descriptions of people "blasting away at sharks" with guns is sheer fantasy. Firearms aren't even allowed on party or
> charter boats.

Ron, you are in very bad need of a reality check. The incident of a 
passenger who was shot in the head by a crewman shooting sharks is
DOCUMENTED, in the San Diego Union newspaper, and no doubt at the San 
Diego coroners office. I have photos of crewmen shooting sharks from 
"Sport" fishing boats, and also photos of passengers stabbing sharks 
with a knife attached to a pole as they swim past the boat. You may see 
these photos some time in the future as I will be forwarding them to 
Animal Rights groups, along with some very interesting video footage 
documenting other deeds of "Sport" fishers. 

Having been in New Zealand the last 10 years I'm not sure what the law 
is re firearms on party boats, but when I worked on the San Diego party 
boats in the 60's and 70's it was the rare boat that did NOT carry a 
rifle, shotgun or both.

> Ron Morgan
> ref@bga.com


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In article <4m2pn4$hrm@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca>, abielak@gov.nb.ca says...
>
>I think a reply is merited if only because the "animal righters" are going
>to become ever-more of a factor. 


  Here is the contention in my opinion.  I do not object to Catch and release, 
but I don't condone it either.  Brett and myself discussed this although I 
don't think he's talking about me, as I wasn't raising a "stink".  My opinion 
is in plain words if I say I catch and release, the animal right groups have 
tons of ammo to use against the fishermen, but if I say I catch and eat...well, 
they don't have a leg to stand on.  You have all heard the arguement, fishing 
is cruel, I've even heard worms have feelings too. I've heard it all in my 20 
years of fishery management. Waters that are subject to pollution, dams, the 
commercial guys, etc. are an exception, then Catch em and let em go, I'm ok 
with that.  But to release a fish just to feel good about themselves and think 
they are helping the population in a good put and take fishery is ludicrous.

-Steve-





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Recreational Boating Research Study 
Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota

We are looking to fill 3 part time summer positions conducting boater 
interviews for a DNR and Lake Minnetonka Conservation District boat use 
research study.  The individual will conduct personal interviews at 
various public and private access points around lake Minnetonka.  Short 
follow-up phone interviews will also be conducted. 

The project will begin in late May and will continue through Labor Day 
1996.

Responsibilities will include: 
	Conducting  15 minute exit interviews with boaters as they leave 
the lake.
	Completing all reporting forms
	Follow-up phone calls to a small sample of lakeshore owners

Surveys will generally be conducted between 10 am and 7 pm depending on 
weather conditions.
Surveys will be conducted on of 8 weekdays, 12 weekend and holiday days
Boater surveys will coincide with aerial surveys conducted by other 
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Qualifications:

Willingness to work at public accesses and private marinas in varying 
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All this and you sat and watched it happen without doing anything about it but 
talk about it on the Net?  You ought to ba ashamed!

-Steve-

In article <3182A2E0.7B22@taranaki.ac.nz>, c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz says...
>
>>Markus Medak wrote:
>> 
>> Just curious, why did you fish for thousands of days if you think it's
>> so terrible, and why in the world did you work as a deckhand (I know 
>> it couldn't have been the money--seems to pay little above minimum 
>> wage considering the hours you work)?
>
>The only excuse I can offer is that for a long time I just didn’t 
>know any better. When I started fishing at age seven, I asked the 
>same question a lot of children ask, “Does it hurt the fish?” My 
>father assured me fish were different, they couldn’t feel pain 
>and that was that. Over time I grew desensitized the sight of  
>fish with torn mouths, gills and stomachs, bleeding, thrashing and 
>dying. I learned that it was a “Sport”, and that I could even win
>trophies and praise for doing it.
>
>A decade later when I worked on the “Sport” fishing party boats, 
>I still didn’t think there was anything fundamentally wrong with it,
> although I was uneasy with some of the gratuitous cruelty I witnessed: 
>passengers killing birds for fun, and crew shooting seals to protect
> “their” fish.
>
>> How could you write articles for sportfishing magazines if the idea
>> of sportfishing is so abhorrent to you?  
>
>I have written for four fishing publications and for seven years 
>was associated with the publication, New Zealand Fisherman.  
>During that time I wrote many articles and letters to the 
>editor on the subject of hooking mortality, and avoiding the 
>unnecessary destruction and suffering associated with some 
>fishing practices. It was my hope that a frank and honest 
>debate would allow amateur fishing to reform itself from 
>within and clean up its act. 
>
>It is to NZF’s credit that they were willing to publish 
>dissenting viewpoints such as mine. However eventually 
>pressure from advertisers and  
>major “Sport” fishing organizations as far away as Hawaii 
>and Florida, caused NZF’s editor to inform me that he was 
>unwilling to publish any more articles relating to ethics 
>or questioning the concept of “Sport” and that Animal Rights 
>was absolutely off-limits as a topic. I have since resigned my
>association with NZF.
>
>What we are seeing here IMHO is “Sport” fishing institutions 
>running scared from the possibility of an open and honest 
>debate, and trying to keep the lid on it for as long as 
>possible. It appears they will cling as long as possible to 
>the premise of a “Sport” based on “fighting” a fish that 
>can’t fight back. Most non-fishers will recognize this 
>fallacy, and it’s worth noting that non-fishers outnumber 
>fishers by a wide majority, despite all the talk of 
>“Sport” fisher’s voting power.
>
>> I've also worked on sport boats as a crewmember all through high shool
>> and college, and while I've seen a couple of the things you mentioned
>> (hooking seagulls attempted once), I think you're presenting a very
>> skewed view of the average sportfishermen. 
>
>Having fished in many situations and countries, witnessed 
>many atrocities, and met many fishers as either crew-member 
>or journalist and heard their attitudes, I don’t think I am 
>presenting a skewed view of “Sport” fishers. While “Sport” 
>fishers come from all walks of life, I think it’s inevitable 
>that when you group people whose common bond is enjoyment 
>of an activity that kills, wounds and maims animals, you 
>end up with a group that is skewed from the overall population.
>
>> As long as the crew has firm grasp on what is acceptable behavior and
>> what is not, the majority of the passengers will not get out of line.
>> Just my $0.02 worth,
>> Markus
>
>Often it’s the crew that gets out of line. While working on a 
>well-known “sport” fishing boat off the Mexican coast, I 
>watched the captain shoot a seal through the nose. Since 
>this was highly illegal, he stayed on the top deck and used 
>a .22 rifle rather than a high-powered rifle so that the 
>passengers busy fishing on the bottom deck wouldn’t notice. 
>The passengers didn't notice the shot or the seal shaking it’s 
>head in agony 100 meters away, doomed to a probable slow and 
>painful death. 
>
>Guns often play a big part in the “Sport” fishing scene. 
>I recall listening to a well-known Australian fishing guru 
>brag about how he liked to blow away seabirds which were 
>stealing fish scraps from his berley-trail. 
>“Adds more flavour” he’d said. 
>
>I witnessed a fatality of gun-happy “Sport” fishers, being 
>carried off the aptly-named party boat, “Fishin Fool” on 
>a stretcher. One of the crew was having a good time 
>blasting sharks from the top deck and as he tracked one 
>with his rifle a passenger’s head got in the way, as he 
>fired. That incident is documented in The San Diego Union, 
>if anyone cares to check it out.
>
>After seven years of trying I have little hope that 
>amateur fishing will make any progress in eliminating 
>practices which are destructive, cruel and have no 
>useful purpose. Following is a not-untypical response from 
>a “Sport” fisher.
>
>>Subject: RE: FISHING IS CRUEL - FURTHER EVIDENCE
>>Date: 17 Apr 96 03:30:14 -0700
>>From: SteviePee@msn.com (Steve Pearson)
>>Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com)
>>Newsgroups: alt.fishing
>>References: <mrgb100-1504961700430001@mac120.nmus.pwf.cam.ac.uk>
>
>>Hey Ho: >All this crap about fish feeling pain ASSUMES that I even GIVE at
>>shit if they feel pain...I don't.  Now go bother someone who DOES
>>give a shit.
>
>>Stevie Pee
>
>Usually the response from “Sport” fishers, and their institutions, 
>is a bit more subtle, such as “not proven” or “not an appropriate 
>topic for discussion”. Stevie’s response is just a bit more honest 
>than most.
>
>The unnecessary destruction and cruelty caused by “Sport” fishers 
>doesn’t come from using barbed hooks instead of barbless hooks, 
>or come from using treble hooks instead of single hooks, 
>or come from using light line instead of heavy line, 
>it comes from the heart.
>- Craig Arfman



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Flip214 wrote:
> 
> Craig Arfman wrote:
> 
> 
> >While you are at it Brett, ask them to disclose who has financially
> >contributed to their studies, and are they "sport" fishers themselves?
> 
> I know, I said I was going to keep out of this and for the most part I
> still am.  But Craig, were you the second gunman on the grassy knoll?
> Does everything have to be some kind of politically influenced alterior
> agenda?  Could it be that there is another human being that merely wants
> to present the facts?  

Could be. But science can be used for ulterior motives and it is always 
worth noting who is paying for the research. Following is some info
on how money and vested interests influence science re the tobacco 
industry. What I am suggesting is that is is not impossible for "sport" 
fishing interests do do the same. I think discussing hooking mortality 
research results and their ethical implications is worthwhile and 
appreciate your input. Regretfully the latest postings by other 
contributors have also shown this discussion has the potential to 
degenerate into pointless name-calling. Here's hoping that can be 
avoided.
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Research.[1]  Scientific research sponsored by the Council has
served to create and maintain a "scientific controversy"
surrounding questions of tobacco and health. The Council has
funded studies of questions such as, Do some people have a
genetic predisposition to cancer?  Scientific controversy about
tobacco-and-health gives the tobacco industry "plausible
deniability" (a phrase made famous by Richard Nixon in another
context).  Scientific controversy allows the tobacco industry to
insist that the case against their product in not conclusive.
And it gives tobacco corporation executives the wiggle room they
need--to deny that they are cut from the same cloth as drug
dealers and murderers.  For example, an official of the Tobacco
Institute (an industry trade organization) said in 1987 --33
years after the American College of Surgeons identified smoking
as a major cause of lung cancer --"Smoking may cause illness; it
may not. We don't know and we don't think anybody knows."[2]

We call this phenomenon "cigarette science."  Cigarette science
is scientific study that serves the needs of a particular
industry that finds itself beset by scientific bad news.  One
such industry is the pesticide trade.

The pesticide corporations have formed their own
cigarette-science group called RISE (Responsible Industry for a
Sound Environment).  RISE is made up of executives from companies
like Monsanto, Sandoz Agro, DowElanco, Dupont Agricultural
Products, The Scotts Company, and other pesticide manufacturers,
formulators, and distributors.
======
I haven't included the rest of the Cigarette Science article, but I 
think it gives a good indication of one way science can be used for 
dubious purposes. Anotherway science can be misused is illustrated by 
Japan's killing whales inside the Antartic whale sanctuary for 
"scientific" purposes. It has been suggested tag-and-release has a 
similar potential for misuse.

Regards, Craig


> You present some outstanding arguments, I'm certain many
> anglers have no idea about stock assesments and mortality rates, but sport
> fishing is a large part of most cultures.  (It's my living)  I agree with
> many of your numbers, I also think my personal mortality percentage is
> much lower than average.  (I feel half of the game is getting a clean
> release as quickly as possible, I even keep a stopwatch in the fly bridge)
>  I tend to believe these studies are dated, Perhaps if more people were
> aware  of these disputed mortality rates which every one agrees should be
> lowered.  More people would work in that direction.  Certainly, they'll
> never meet your standards but even you must admit an improvement would be
> bennificial.  I'm certain you will also admit, sport fishing is not going
> away any time soon.  In fact all of the numbers I can get suggest it is
> more popular than ever.  And yes, I'd be happy to provide references if
> you like.
> Good Luck
> Greg


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Craig Arfman (c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz) wrote:
: Ron Morgan wrote:
: > 
: > > I witnessed:
: > > passengers killing birds for fun, and crew shooting seals to protect
: > >  ³their² fish.

: > You are basically full of shit, and I wish you would quit flooding this newsgroup with your childish whining. I have been a
: > fisherman for over 40 years, inshore and offshore, freshwater and saltwater, in camps, in my own boat, on charter boats and
: > party boats, on all three U.S. coasts. I have never, NEVER seen ANY of the events you describe.

: > Your descriptions of people "blasting away at sharks" with guns is sheer fantasy. Firearms aren't even allowed on party or
: > charter boats.

: Ron, you are in very bad need of a reality check. The incident of a 
: passenger who was shot in the head by a crewman shooting sharks is
: DOCUMENTED, in the San Diego Union newspaper, and no doubt at the San 
: Diego coroners office. I have photos of crewmen shooting sharks from 
: "Sport" fishing boats, and also photos of passengers stabbing sharks 
: with a knife attached to a pole as they swim past the boat. You may see 
: these photos some time in the future as I will be forwarding them to 
: Animal Rights groups, along with some very interesting video footage 
: documenting other deeds of "Sport" fishers. 

Ah, you have some fakes as good as the usual ARA fakes, so you're going 
to make sure they get into wider circulation.  How much are you being 
paid for your creativity?

: Having been in New Zealand the last 10 years I'm not sure what the law 
: is re firearms on party boats, but when I worked on the San Diego party 
: boats in the 60's and 70's it was the rare boat that did NOT carry a 
: rifle, shotgun or both.

Ah, you must have started out with 8mm film.  Nice stuff, very easy to 
fake with.

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In article <3188630C.45B9@taranaki.ac.nz>,
Craig Arfman  <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
>
>Could be. But science can be used for ulterior motives and it is always 
>worth noting who is paying for the research. Following is some info
>on how money and vested interests influence science re the tobacco 
>industry. What I am suggesting is that is is not impossible for "sport" 
>fishing interests do do the same. I think discussing hooking mortality 
>research results and their ethical implications is worthwhile and 
>appreciate your input. Regretfully the latest postings by other 

I would submit that it is much more difficult to fake a C&R study
than to fake a tobacco study.

There are two stages to studying a population.  The first is to
show correlation - "hey, these two things seem to be related."
Correlation, however, is not causation.  A and B could be correlated 
because A causes B, B causes A, or something else causes both A and B.  
The second stage is to pin down that causation.

Correlation is easy to show.  It often amounts to compiling and
counting numbers from surveys, records, etc.  Once you have those
numbers, there's very little to dispute them (aside from non-
random selection).  They simply are what they are.  People get
graded A-F for doing correlation studies in high school.

Causation is difficult, and sometimes impossible to show.  It
amounts to determining, describing, and proving the method by
which the correlation arises.  You have to hypothesize a mechanism,
explain (usually in molecular detail) how it works, then prove it. 
It is difficult to understand, often involving lifetimes of study,
and can be very confusing to non-experts.  People get Nobel prizes
for successful causation research.  

Most C&R studies are correlation studies.  They don't try to
explain how catching a fish leads to its death (although that is
the underlying assumption).  You catch a bunch of fish and see how
many die.  Then you compare that to how many fish die normally,
and you get a correlation.  In arguing about percent mortality,
we're just arguing how strong the correlation is.  The only ways
to fake this (aside from outright fraud) are procedural.  Once
you've collected the numbers, everything afterwards is pure math. 
You should be able to figure out any procedural anomolies from
reading the study if there hasn't been outright fraud.

The tobacco industry lost the correlation war some 30 years ago.
That's why the labels saying "smoking MAY be hazardous to your
health" (emphasis mine) showed up.  They've been fighting against
causation studies.  Because causation studies are so difficult to
do, it is very easy to fight against them.  They've put (legally 
speaking) the medical community in a position where they have to
prove smoking causes death beyond all doubt, stronger than what's 
required in criminal cases.  If the tobacco industry can dig up
one inconsistency in a study or run another study that shows a
different possible cuase, that's enough to cast some doubt, and
they've deflected that study.

I'll requote the following:

>industry. What I am suggesting is that is is not impossible for "sport" 
>fishing interests do do the same. I think discussing hooking mortality 

Be careful when you say "not impossible..."  It's a wide brush that
can easily cause you to throw out the baby with the washwater (good
studies with the bad).  You'd be better off finding a single instance
of sportfishing funding corrupting a study.  Then you'll have something
to back up what you say instead of mere speculation, as well as giving
others a starting place to counter your claim.  Otherwise you're
operating in the same realm as those folks claiming aliens control
the government without a shred of evidence.  The publishing of studies
in journals is the first line of defense against fraud.

I mean it's not impossible for a conservation minded researcher doing
these studies to want to stop all manmade causes of death in a fishery.
:)

>Flip214 wrote:
>> 
>> You present some outstanding arguments, I'm certain many
>> anglers have no idea about stock assesments and mortality rates, but sport
>> fishing is a large part of most cultures.  (It's my living)  I agree with
>> many of your numbers, I also think my personal mortality percentage is
>> much lower than average.  (I feel half of the game is getting a clean
>> release as quickly as possible, I even keep a stopwatch in the fly bridge)
>>  I tend to believe these studies are dated, Perhaps if more people were
>> aware  of these disputed mortality rates which every one agrees should be
>> lowered.  More people would work in that direction.  Certainly, they'll
>> never meet your standards but even you must admit an improvement would be
>> bennificial.  I'm certain you will also admit, sport fishing is not going
>> away any time soon.  In fact all of the numbers I can get suggest it is
>> more popular than ever.  And yes, I'd be happy to provide references if
>> you like.
>> Good Luck
>> Greg

Greg, after all your ruckus over stand-up fishing vs. charter boat
fishing, it's great to see you write a polite, non-inflamatory
argument.  You've just moved up several notches on my respect meter.
:)
-- 
John H. Kim            "I don't want to go there today."
jokim@mit.edu             - overheard outside the Microsoft booth at
jokim@tuna.mit.edu          Internet World '95


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From: s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com(Steve Branstetter)
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Through the cooperative efforts of the Gulf and South Atlantic Fisheries
Development Foundation and the University of Florida, observers monitored
the commercial shark fishery of the southeast US during 1994 and 1995; that
program continues at least through 1996.   
 
A final report (pending final granting agency approval) summarizing the
results of the first two years of this NMFS-funded program is now
available.  The report may be obtained for five dollars ($5.00 US) to cover
the cost of copying and mailing (sorry we can't send it for free; the feds
frown on using current grant monies to pay costs affiliated with previous
grants) . Payment must be in US funds; personal checks made payable to the
Gulf and South Atlantic Fisheries Development Foundation are acceptable;
sorry, we can't handle credit card orders.  Please reference "Project #56".
  
 
Should anyone have any questions, please contact me; contact info is listed
at the bottom of the message.  
 
ABSTRACT- (MARFIN Final Report - Cooperative Agreement NA57FF0008) To
garner otherwise unobtainable information, and thus enhance the reliability
of management strategies, observers aboard voluntarily participating
commercial shark vessels documented a sample of the catch and effort of the
southeast U.S. commercial shark longline fishery.  In 1994 and 1995, three
observers logged 351 sea days monitoring 276 longline sets during 96
fishing trips.  Approximately 3,000,000 hook-hours of effort produced
nearly 11,000 sharks of 26 different species; this translated to more than
115 metric tons of landings (2.3% of the  U.S. Atlantic commercial shark
landings for the two-year period).  Two species - blacktip sharks
(Carcharhinus limbatus), common inshore of the 10 fathom contour, and
sandbar sharks (Carcharhinus plumbeus), dominant in deeper continental
shelf waters - constituted 60-75% of the catch and 75-95% of the landings. 
About 15% of the large- coastal shark catch was released, and some cryptic
mortality (catch that is used for bait or discarded) occurred in the
fishery; landings accounted for approximately 90% of the total mortality on
this stock.  Nearly 100% of the small-coastal shark catch (dominated by the
Atlantic sharpnose shark, Rhizoprionodon terraenovae) was landed or used
for bait.  Within a region, overall and depth-specific catch rates between
years and seasons were, for the most part, not statistically different. 
For all regions combined, approximately 50% of the documented catch of
sandbar and blacktip sharks was immature.  Small sandbar sharks were more
common inshore of the 10-15 fathom depth range, and almost all blacktip
sharks were taken in these shallower waters.  Approximately 70% of the
sandbar sharks taken in the North Carolina area were female, but females
only comprised 30-60% of the catch in Florida waters.  For blacktip sharks,
only about 25% of the North Carolina catch was female, whereas on both
coasts of Florida, 50-60% was female.  Over the course of a calendar year,
only about 20-30% of the mature female sandbar sharks were documented as
pregnant, but about 50% of the adult female blacktip sharks were pregnant. 
With only two years of data, no conclusive trends can be determined
concerning the health of the shark stock, but given that much of the catch
inside 10-15 fathoms is immature fish, or pregnant females, continued
fishing pressure in nearshore (< 10 fm) waters may have substantial
negative impacts on the stock; to the long-term detriment of the stock and
fishery.  Excluding these nearshore efforts, recruitment to the fishery is
substantial by the time sandbar sharks are 135 cm FL (12 yr of age).  Based
on this age structure, a minimum size limit of perhaps 140 cm FL for
sandbar sharks might be an appropriate management measure. Very preliminary
estimates indicate that with such measures, which would equal approximately
a 10% reduction in quota, the sandbar shark stock could increase in numbers
with continued fishing.  
 
 
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Suite 997 Lincoln Center, 5401 W. Kennedy  
Tampa, FL  33609 
 
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serotonin on the growth  in vitro of antennal lobe interneurons of the
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Kloppenburg, P., Mercer, A.R. and Hildebrand, J.G. (1994)
5-Hydroxytryptamine-modulation of delayed rectifier-type potassium
channels
in antennal lobes neurons of the moth, Manduca sexta. American Society of
Neuroscience Abstracts  20: 1521
Kokay, I.C. and Mercer A.R.  A comparison of D1- and D2-like dopamine
receptors and their distribution in the brain of the honey bee, Apis
mellifera. European Journal of Neuroscience Supplement  7:  87. (1994)
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Concept: Theory and  Application.  Baltimore, Maryland.  Johns Hopkins
University Press. (1995) 502pp.
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Recognition Concept: Theory and Application.   D.M. Lambert and H.G.
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Lester, P.J., Mitchell, S.F. and Scott, D. Effects of riparian willow
trees
(Salix fragilis)  on  macroinvertebrate densities in two small Central
Otago, New Zealand streams.  New Zealand Journal of Marine and Freshwater
Research 28: 267-276 (1994)
Lester, P.J., Mitchell, S.F., Scott, D. and Lyon, G.  Utilisation of
willow
leaves, grass and  periphyton by stream macroinvertebrates:  a study using
stable carbon isotopes.  Archiv fr Hydrobiologie 133: 149-159 (1995)
McIntosh, A. R. and Townsend, C.R. Interpopulation variation in mayfly
antipredator tactics:  differential effects of contrasting predatory fish.
Ecology 75: 2078-2090 (1994)
Mercer, A.R., Hayashi, J.H. and Hildebrand, J.G.  Modulatory effects of
serotonin on voltage-activated currents in cultured antennal lobe neurons
of the sphinx moth, Manduca sexta. Journal of Experimental Biology  198:
613-627 (1995)
Moller, H.  New plants and animals for New Zealand, should we let them in
or not?  Environmental Perspectives.  4: 12 (1994)
Palmer, J.D., Williams, B.G. and Dowse, H.B.  The statistical analysis of
tidal rhythms:  tests of the relative effectiveness of five methods.
Marine Behaviour and Physiology.  24: 165-182 (1994)
Paterson, A.M., Gray, R.D. and Wallis, G.P.  Of lice and men: the return
of
the 'comparative parasitology' debate.  Parasitology Today 11: 158-160
(1995)
Paul, D.B. and Spencer, H.G.  The hidden science of eugenics.  Nature 374:
302-304 (1995)
Paulin, M.G. Electroreception and the compass sense of sharks.  Journal of
Theoretical Biology  174, 325-339  (1995)
Poulin, R. and Hamilton, W. J.  Ecological determinants of body size and
clutch size in amphipods: a comparative approach.  Functional Ecology  9:
364-370 (1995)
Poulin, R. and Vickery, W. L.  Cleaning symbiosis as an evolutionary game:
to cheat or not to cheat?  Journal of Theoretical Biology  175: 63-70
(1995)
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copepods:
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parasitic isopods. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society 54: 231-244
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81: 121-122 (1995)
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to
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in
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theoretical analysis.  Parasitology  109(Suppl.): 109-118 (1994)
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behaviour: should hosts always     lose?  Oikos  70: 479-484 (1994)
Ragg, J., Waldrup, K. and Moller, H. Tuberculosis infections of ferrets,
stoats and feral cats in Otago New Zealand.  In Proceedings of a deer
course for Vetinarians No. 11.  Queenstown Deer Branch of the New Zealand
Veterinary Association (1994) 114-126.
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habitat templets, species traits, and species richness: A synthesis of
long-term ecological research on the Upper Rhone River in the context of
concurrently developed ecological theory. Freshwater Biology  31: 539-554
(1994)
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streams draining tussock grassland in New Zealand: retention, food supply
and substrate stabilisation. Freshwater Biology 32: 429-444 (1994)
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and permeability enhancement of salmon posterior intestine.  In
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freshwater crayfish (Paranephrops zelandicus) to a native and an
introduced
predator. New Zealand Journal of Ecology 18: 1-10 (1994)
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to
the Fauna 3.  Mollusca.   Wellington, New Zealand. New Zealand
Oceanographic Institute.  (1995).  125 pp.
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asymmetries and perceptual limits:  the importance of history.  Animal
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larvae of the insect parasitic nematode, Heterorhabditis zealandica
Poinar. International Journal for Parasitology  25: 749-52 (1995)
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templet for river systems. Freshwater Biology 31: 265-275 (1994)
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hierarchical synthesis and        recommendations for the 1990s.  Journal
of the Royal Society  of New Zealand 24:143-160 (1994)
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larvae of the insect parasitic nematode, Heterorhabditis zealandica
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development on processing of tussock leaf litter in high country New
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Professor Colin R. Townsend
Department of Zoology
University of Otago
Dunedin, New Zealand.
Ph.Work 64-3-4797975
   Home 64-3-4761242
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UNIVERSITY OF OTAGO
Te Whare Wananga o Otago

Dunedin, New Zealand

LECTURER IN ZOOLOGY

(RIVER ECOLOGY)


Applications are invited for the position of Lecturer in the Department of
Zoology (equivalent to Assistant Professor in North America).  An
exceptionally well qualified candidate might be considered for appointment
at a more senior level.  This post is available from 1 October 1996 and
the
successful applicant is expected to take up duties as soon as possible
after that date.  An earlier starting date might be negotiated.

The person appointed will contribute to the teaching of stream and river
ecology and other duties will include teaching in undergraduate
biology/zoology/ecology courses and supervision of under-graduate and
graduate research. The department is large, friendly and productive, with
good research and computing facilities and an excellent team of support
staff.  We run BSc, BSc Honours, Diploma, Masters and PhD programmes
across
a wide range of biological disciplines.  All in the Department are
committed to excellence in teaching.

Candidates must have a good record of published research in the area of
stream or river ecology and will be expected to engage in an active
programme of research.  Collaborative research is encouraged in the
Department and the successful candidate will join a strong group of
aquatic
ecologists.  Stream research  is well established at Otago with an
emphasis, so far, on the influence of land-use practices on stream
ecosystems and on the impact of introduced brown trout on the native
fauna.
The considerable data base provides excellent opportunities for the
appointee to become involved in the established Taieri and Southern Rivers
Programme if she or he so wishes.

The department is committed to diversity in staffing and we encourage
applications from women and other under-represented groups.  Parental
leave
without pay of up to 54 weeks and paid parental leave of six week's salary
may be granted to female or male employees with at least one year's
service.  The University operates childcare centres covering the period
birth-eight years.  We are prepared to discuss job-splitting and
flexibility of working hours during periods of child rearing.

Salary:  Lecturers NZ$40,500 - 51,000 per annum.  Senior Lecturers
NZ$54,250 - 64,250 per annum.

Further information is available from Professor Colin Townsend, Head of
Department (Phone: 64-3-479 7975; Fax: 64-3-479 7584, e-mail:
colin.townsend@stonebow.otago.ac.nz), or from the Director, Personnel
Services.

Applicants should send two copies of their curriculum vitae together with
the names, addresses and fax numbers of three referees, to the Director,
Personnel Services, University of Otago, PO Box 56, Dunedin, New Zealand
(fax 64-3-474 1607) by 31 May 1996. Applications should quote reference
number A96/34.  Whanau support is welcome at interview.

Equal opportunity in employment is University policy.

E tautoko ana Te Whare Wananga o Otago i te kaupapa whakaorite whiwhinga
mahi.







INFORMATION FOR CANDIDATES

for appointment as

LECTURER IN ZOOLOGY

(RIVER ECOLOGY)

in the University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand - 1996


1.      General

        A statement of general information and conditions of appointment
for all academic posts within the University is attached.

        The University is situated in the City of Dunedin, the main centre
of the Province of Otago. With a population of around 100,000, Dunedin is
a
lively university city with strong artistic, cultural and sporting
traditions. It boasts excellent art galleries, museums, theatres,
restaurants and gardens. Most newcomers find house prices pleasingly low.
The  city is situated on the shores of the Otago Harbour and its immediate
environment includes large inlets, sandy bays and rocky shores with
abundant wildlife, including seals, the world's rarest penguin and an
albatross colony within a few kilometres. Just a few hours away are
glaciers, fiords, mountains and lakes, with all the recreational
facilities
that these places offer.


2.      The Department of Zoology

        The Department of Zoology has been expanding steadily since 1988
with the appointment of an additional nine academic staff and further
administrative and technical staff.  The atmosphere is lively, friendly
and
supportive and all in the department are committed to excellence in both
teaching and research.

        The department  offers programmes leading to the undergraduate
degrees of BSc (3 years) and BSc Honours (4 years) in Zoology.Two
first-year foundation courses in biology are administered by the
Department
of Zoology.  Staff from a number of departments (Anatomy, Biochemistry,
Botany, Microbiology and Zoology) contribute to lectures. However, the
Department of Zoology is responsible for all laboratory teaching; a team
of
Teaching Fellows leads this effort.  Students majoring in zoology take
second-year courses in Animal Diversity, Animal Evolution and Animal
Physiology; a Teaching Fellow takes primary responsibility for
administration of laboratory teaching. Our third year programme consists
of
courses in specialised areas of zoology: Aquatic Ecology, Parasitology,
Environmental Physiology, Reproduction, Neurobiology, Behavioural Ecology,
Evolutionary and Population Genetics, Conservation Biology and Biological
Data Analysis and Computing.  The fourth year programme for BSc(Honours)
consists of seminar courses together with a substantial research
component.


        Ordinary BSc graduates may complete an additional year, which is
identical to the fourth year of the Honours programme, by admission to the
Postgraduate Diploma in Science.  The department also offers a one-year
Diploma in Wildlife Management, a two-year Master of Science (one year of
courses and one of research) and a three-year PhD programme (entirely
research).

        Zoology staff contribute to undergraduate courses in Ecology,
Genetics, Environment and Society and to interdepartmental degree
programmes in Cognitive Science, Neuroscience, Ecology and Marine Science.

Enrolments in Zoology

Student enrolments for the 1996 academic year were approximately:

                Year 1 (Biology)1000
                Year 2  120
                Year 3  75
                Year 4 (Hons/MSc courses)20
                Diploma   15
                MSc/PhD research 50


Staff

The department has two full Professors, Professor Colin Townsend (Head of
Department) and Professor Carolyn Burns, 12 Senior Lecturers, 7 Lecturers,
4 Teaching Fellows and 4 Postdoctoral researchers.

Non-academic staff include three secretarial and administrative staff and
19 research and technical staff, five of whom are concerned primarily with
teaching laboratory duties.  The duties of other technicians include
management of a mechanical and electronic workshop, photographic
dark-rooms, histology suite, radio-isotope laboratory, chemistry
laboratory, computer facilities and assistance with research.

Annual grants for part-time staffing provide assistance with laboratory
teaching and with research.

Teaching and Research

Teaching and research facilities largely reflect the interests of current
staff: behavioural ecology,  conservation and wildlife management,
environmental physiology, evolutionary biology, freshwater and marine
ecology, neurobiology, parasitology, population genetics, reproductive
physiology, systematics and theoretical biology.  Appendix 1 lists the
Department's publications in the period 1994 to 1995.

Accommodation and Facilities

The department effectively blends the architecture and traditions of a
long
established university with up-to-date equipment and facilities.

Computing Services are available through the University Information
Technology Services  Centre, the facilities of which include a VAX
cluster.
A networked suite of micro-computers (mainly Macintosh) are installed in
the computer room and throughout the Department of Zoology.  Macintosh
computers are used widely in undergraduate laboratories.

Closed circuit TV and video facilities are available in most of the
undergraduate laboratories.  Transmission and scanning electron
microscopes
located in the Medical School and in some other departments are available
for specific research projects in zoology.

The Department of Mathematics and Statistics administers a Centre for
Applications of Statistics and Mathematics which offers assistance and
advice in research design and data analysis.  In addition, the Department
of Zoology has biostatistical and computing expertise available in house.

The Department of Zoology enjoys cooperation in collaborative research
with
other departments in the Divisions of Sciences and Health Sciences of the
University, the provincial Otago Museum, and governmental research
agencies, including Invermay Agricultural Research Centre 12 km from
Dunedin.

3.      Research Funding

The department strongly supports the principle that research is an
integral
part of academic life.      Funds are available for research from the
Otago
University Research Committee and the University's Division of Sciences.
Other sources of research support include grants or contracts from New
Zealand's Foundation for Research, Science and Technology, the newly
established Marsden fund for fundamental science, from governmental
agencies and from private trusts and non-governmental organisations.

Members of staff are encouraged to apply for support of their own research
and that of the students working under their  supervision.


4.      Duties

The successful candidate will be responsible to the Head of Department,
Professor Colin Townsend, and will be required to contribute to the
teaching and examining of undergraduate and graduate degree courses in
zoology, biology and ecology.

The successful candidate will be expected to engage actively in her/his
own
research and to supervise that of research students.


5.      Equal employment opportunities

The department is committed to diversity in staffing and we encourage
applications from women and other under-represented groups. Parental leave
without pay of up to 54 weeks and paid parental leave of six week's salary
may be granted to female or male employees with at least one year's
service. The University operates childcare centres covering the period
birth-eight years. We are prepared to discuss job-splitting and
flexibility
of working hours during periods of child rearing.

To ensure that appropriate credit can be given by the search committee to
a
variety of areas of activity, not just academic achievements, we encourage
you to supply a broadly based curriculum vitae describing your
productivity
and creativity in all areas you wish to have considered.


6.      Salary

        Lecturer:               $NZ40,500 - 51,000 per annum.
        Senior Lecturer:        $NZ54,250 - 64,250 per annum.

Initial placement within the scale will depend on the qualifications and
experience of the person appointed. Note that Lecturer is equivalent to
the
North American Assistant Professor.


7.      Term of Appointment

The post is a confirmation path appointment (subject to confirmation after
four years).


8.      Date of Appointment

The successful applicant will take up the appointment on 1 October 1996 or
as soon as possible thereafter.  Applicants should state the date when
they
would be available to commence duties.

9.     Further Information

        Requests for further information may be directed to Professor
Colin
Townsend. Phone: 64-3-479-7975, Fax: 64-3-479-7584,  e-mail:
colin.townsend@stonebow.otago.ac.nz.


10.     Applications

        Applications quoting reference number A96/34 close with the
Director of Personnel Services on 31 May 1996.



University of Otago
PO Box 56
Dunedin
NEW ZEALAND

Telephone: 64-3-479 1100
Facsimile:  64-3-474 1607


April 1996

Ref: A96/34

 Appendix 1:  Department of Zoology, University of Otago, Publications
1994-95.

Arntzen, J.W. and Wallis, G.P. The 'Wolterstorff Index' and its value to
the taxonomy of the Crested    Newt superspecies.  Abhandlungen und
Berichte fr Naturkunde 17: 57-66 (1994)
Barker, M.F. and Kelly, M. The occurrence and transmission of subcuticular
bacteria in echinoderm larvae.  In Echinoderms Through Time . David,
Guille, Feral & Roux (eds). pp. 13 (1994)
Brown, M.A., Cree, A., Daugherty, C.H.,  Dawkins, B.P.  and Chambers, G.K.
Plasma concentrations of vitellogenin and sex steroids in female tuatara
(Sphenodon punctatus punctatus) from northern New Zealand.  General and
Comparative Endocrinology 95: 201-212 (1994)
Bunin, J.S. and Jamieson, I.G. New approaches towards a better
understanding of the decline of Takahe (Porphyrio mantelli) in New
Zealand.
Conservation Biology 109: 100-106 (1995)
Burns, C.W. and Hegarty, B.  Diet selection by copepods in the presence of
cyanobacteria.  Journal of Plankton Research 16: 1671-1690 (1994)
Burns, C.W. Effects of crowding and different food levels on growth and
reproductive investment of Daphnia.  Oecologia 101: 234-244 (1995)
Burns, C.W.  Predation on ciliates by calanoid copepods.  Internationale
Vereinigung fr Theoretische und Angewandte Limnologie 25: 2445 (1994)
Cartland, L.K. and Grimmond, N.M.  The effect of temperature on the
metabolism of juvenile tuatara, Sphenodon punctatus.  New Zealand Journal
of Zoology  21(4): 373-378 (1994)
Cartland, L.K., Cree, A., Sutherland, W.H.F., Grimmond, N.M. and Skeaff,



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I need natural history facts on the fish called louvar and the fish called
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Hi, I'm a science writer putting together a Web page on fisheries 
biology for the Monterey Bay Aquarium on the central California coast.
The page is based on Steve Bortone's 1986 book, FISHERIES BIOLOGY FOR 
EVERYONE (yes, I have permission to do this).
	My question: I've heard that the concept of maximum sustainable yield 
has been abandoned and has been replaced with optimum yield pretty 
much across the board. Is this true?
	Also, when doing a fishery analysis, roughly how many specimens of 
each management unit are caught for life history data collection 
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>>(brett rowley) wrote:
>>Hey people,
>>
>>I'm asking for your help here.  This guy (Craig) has been stirring the
>>pot over in the fishing groups.  He is basically of the opinion that
>>catch and release fishing destroys a fishery, that mortalities
>>associated with same are unacceptable, that sportfishermen are
>>deplorable, and that catch and release fishing should be banned.

>>Brett Rowley
>>Fisheries Biologist
>>Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
>>West Columbia, Texas

 (Alex Bielak) writes:
>
>I think a reply is merited if only because the "animal righters" are going
>to become ever-more of a factor. I have been involved in a series of
>multi-agency studies on catch and release of wild Atlantic salmon. Bruce
Tufts
>and I recently did an article which appeared in the fall issue of Wild
>Steelhead and Atlantic Salmon Magazine

>The bottom line from the salmon work is that in cold water releasesituations
>mortalities are minimal (probably less than 5%, but that in warmer waters
IF
>FISH TAKE then one can expect highter mortalities.


>This was posted by Alex in sci.bio.fisheries.  He gave me permission to
>repost to the fishing groups that Craig has been stirring the pot in.
>It is a partial answer to his post siting outdated and no longer
>significant studies on C&R fishing mortalities.  

Brett, Arguing with a true-believer such as yourself is an impossible 
task, but NOWHERE HAVE YOU PROVEN that the studies are no longer 
significant, AND YOU COMPLETELY OVERLOOK that a review of 132 hooking 
mortality studies (including both recent, and less-recent ones) shows an 
average of 10 percent of fish dying after they are caught and released, 
across species and catch-methods. The 5 percent death rate for salmon 
you quote is consistent with other research and shows that some species 
have higher death rates than others when used by “Sport” fishers for 
recreational torture. C&R advocates often refer to these death-rates as 
"zero-kill".

Hooking mortality research generally involves low-technology such as 
building holding cages, draining ponds to count missing fish and using 
fish hooks, lures and baits. The research does not depend on the next 
generation of particle accelerators, or other such high-technology. 
Therefore there appears no basis for your claim that mortality studies 
conducted during the 1970’s are outdated or insignifigant.

Regarding your accusation of self-righteousness, even pro-C&R fishers
have remarked on the high degree of fanaticism exhibited by some C&R 
advocates. The following quote is from a PRO catch-and-release 
publication (Catch-and-Release Fishing, A Decade of Experience - A 
National Sport Fishing Symposium, Proceedings, 1987) 

 “Among the great diversity that makes up the American angling public, 
“cult” groups can be expected to promote with great enthusiasm their own 
narrow view of regulations (typically, no-kill, barbless files only) THE 
“CULT” MENTALITY IS NOT RECEPTIVE TO NEW INFORMATION OR TO INFORMATION 
NOT SUPPORTING THEIR PRECONCEIVED IDEAS. THEY CAN ALSO BE EXPECTED TO 
HAVE ZEALOUS FAITH IN THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THEIR CAUSE, SO THAT ANY 
FACTS OR EVIDENCE CONTRARY TO THE CAUSE IS CONSIDERED AS BLASPHEMY AND 
PIOUSLY IGNORED OR ATTACKED” - Robert Behnke, Catch-And-Release - The 
Last Word p. 296, (capitalisation mine)

This is a pro-C&R fisher writing about other C&R fishers, mind you. 
Perhaps it was fishers like you he was referring to?  Certainly anyone 
who can disregard a summary of ONE-HUNDRED-AND-THIRTY-TWO research 
studies as “not relevant” could be considered as not receptive to new 
ideas.

As you presumably has a large financial stake in running a 
catch-and-release bass-fishing camp, where people can pay money for the 
thrill of fighting an animal that can’t fight back, I can understand why 
you are so adamant that catch-and-release doesn’t kill fish, and that 
those fish it does kill are ACCEPTABLE losses anyway. You are being very 
selective in the research you use to back your position. You quote 
research a completely different species (salmon), and from a cold-water 
fishery, while your bass-camp is located in an area which can be 
expected to have warm water temperatures, and higher mortality for much 
of the year.

There is legislation before congress which imposes restrictions on 
canned hunting, due to public outcry over what many see as senseless and 
cowardly killing in the name of “sport”. It seems somewhat similar to 
your camp where people can pay to stick hooks in the bass interned in 
your ponds and revel in their struggle to escape. Perhaps sometime in 
the future operations such as yours will be facing similar legislation 
as public outcry grows. 

As you may have a large financial committment in your black bass torture 
camp, you may need to consider some alternatives:

Use the ponds to establish underwater day-care centres for basslets with 
working mothers. Although with the new reluctance to see welfare money 
going to unmarried mothers this could be a hard sell. (;]

Or go totally camp and just flaunt it. You could set up watchtowers and 
electric fences, dress some of the staff in jackboots and other staff in 
prisoner’s stripes. Tatoo each bass with an identity number. Award an 
order of something-or-other to the “Conservationist” catch-and-releasing 
the most bass in a single day. And those bass which don’t survive their 
torture sessions could be made into useful items such as lampshades or 
bars of soap. (;]

In any case as someone who most embodies the spirit of Melwood Barry, 
and personifies modern “Sport” fishing, I am awarding you the 1996 
Melwood Barry Perpetual Award: a life time membership in the MGFA. 
(press release follows)

            MINIATURE GAMEFISHING ASSOCIATION ESTABLISHED

NEW YORK - A new organisation for sport fishers has been established 
that will widely expand  recreational angling opportunities, allowing 
anglers to fish indoors in the privacy of their own homes.  Founded by 
Melwood Barry who first popularised this fast-growing sport with his 
book, "Neon Tetras - A Bantamweight Fight", the Miniature Game Fishing 
Association's objectives are to verify world-record claims, sanction 
tournaments, and to promote conservation values. 

MGFA members fish for most popular home aquarium species. MGFA 
regulations specify the line weights, and rod lengths which may be used. 
The use of light lines and a  minimum aquarium size of 600mm x 200mm x 
200 mm is required "to give the fish a sporting chance". 
Catch-and-release fishing is encouraged, "A fish is too valuable to be 
caught only once" Barry explains.

Although scientific research shows that on average 10 percent of the 
fish can be expected to die each time they are caught, Barry contends 
the practice is not wasteful, "Fish die anyway sooner or later, and this 
new sport will provide enormous employment opportunities for tropical 
fish breeders and pet shops".

Responding to allegations by the SPCA that this involved needless 
cruelty to animals, Barry responded, "That's absurd. It's a sport for 
the fish and they love it. Why else would they be wagging their tails 
the whole time?".  - SLF NEWS SERVICE

- Craig Arfman
exposer of posers
deprogrammer of cultists


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  <SNIP>  Everything deleted.

Craig thinks he is funny.  I'm not laughing.  I've about had enough of
his BS, however, I'm still gathering info that disproves all the psuedo
science he has been spouting off in this group.  I spoke with some
officials at the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department about thier
philosophy towards C&R fishing as well as asked for some documentation
>from  more recent studies, especially concerning Largemouth bass.  

Basically, the Department strongly supports catch and release fishing,
to the point that some bass fisheries, and some put and take fisheries
have evolved up to catch and release only.  This is true of the bass
fishery at Gibbons Creek Lake near College Station, Texas, where it has
been very successful at conserving a trophy class fishery as well is
popular with fishermen.  This is also true of the rainbow trout fishery
below Canyon dam, a previous put and take fishery that has evolved into
a trophy catch and release fishery for trout.  They also have catch and
release fishing programs in inner city lakes where children are taught
both the value of fishing and of catch and release.  Thier committment
to catch and release is very strong.  

I was also told that a few individuals associated with the lunatic
fringe were opposed to catch and release fishing, and some to fishing
altogether.  I was assured that these few individuals had no power,
backing, or influence and were not taken seriously.  That fishing was
ever growing in popularity, and catch and release fishing was becoming
the mainstay of sport fisheries.   

I have much more to tend to than arguing with some person that insists
on propogating ignorance, especially when that person represents such
an extreme misinformed minority.  I'll get some more info up sa soon as
I get it.  Meanwhile, I came here to fish and learn how to do it
better, not try and justify something that doesn't require it.

Don't kill your catch.

Brett Rowley
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 


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I am trying to gather information to do a financial model for cage
culture - trout and perch.  

Any assistance will be appreciated.

Thanks




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I notice that most of the studies you use as are 20 t0 25 years old.
The sport of bass fishing has changed quite a bit since then.  Can 
you cite more recent studies to back up your stace?

Sue


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 1. Whenever you try to make a point with a hitler/nazi analogy,you lose.

 2.Your ranting and ravings are inchoherant, how would YOU know
    what a hooked fish is feeling??

 3. Do you believe the woods and waters are full of talking, cuddly
    characters like bambi, flipper, and thumper?? When you sit in the
    woods, do you pretend the deer and squirrels are talking to you?

 4. If you were savagely attacked by an animal, would you let it chew
    you apart because you didnt want to hurt it??

 5. You and your AR buddies are so far from reality that it makes
    my head spin.
 
 6. When driving in your car, do you cry when a bug splatters
    on the windshield??

 7. Do you believe that there are police animals that stop 
    predators from eating prey? Is the fox a sheriff out for
    justice??

 8.If you answered yes to #7, where is the animal "jail"
   for animals that harm other animals? Does a bass get punished
   for eating a sunfish?  Does the eagle do time for catching
   and eating the perch? 

 9. Billions of years ago, amoebas and other tiny cell creatures
    with no brain ate other cell and animal matter to survive,
    or maybe they enjoyed it, the point is, the earliest life 
    forms had more brains than you. You have evolved into nothing,
    in fact, you have revolved, back to even before animals 
    had brains.

 10. If you answered yes to any of the above questions, you
     are a certifiable lunatic. Congratulations, the amoebas
     evolved farhter than you.

         -Muskie



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Hey T-Bone, since you've already responded to one of my articles I
assume I'm officially no longer a newbie and now may be allowed to
pontificate like the rest of you guys.  ;^)

One thing to keep in mind is that your "first-hand empirical data
derived from experiences" is what's called ``anecdotal evidence''.
Now, I'm not trying to invalidate your experiences (as we say in
California %') but the conclusions you draw from them are no less
theory than the "only theory" statements you castigate...

Fact is, though, that folks have been studying genetics for a while
now and have a pretty good idea what sorts of things can be selected
for, and how long that takes.  I'm very skeptical that a trait like
"being wary of imitations" could be selected for genetically in just
thirty years.  Or even a hundred or a thousand years.

On the other hand, if we assume salmonids are smart enough to learn
(and we do) then fishing pressure surely affects the behavior of the
fish.  I picked up two magazines the other day, the April issue of
_Western FlyFishing_ and the April/May _Salmon, Trout, Steelheader_.
The former has an article on fishing private waters, where the
untutored trout don't see many flies or lures and are therefore
gullible and more easily caught.  The latter had a piece on heavy
fishing pressure tricks (there's a photo of fisherfolks standing
elbow to elbow steelheading in one river) and the gist is basically
use whatever the other guys aren't (i.e. use what the fish haven't
learned to avoid).

On still another hand, one thing you probably *can* select for in a
shorter amount of time is the size of the fish.  If anglers Catch
and Kill the big ones, and only throw back the smaller fish, one
can assume that you're taking the large ones out of the gene pool
and selecting for the small fish (and folks have been doing this
for a lot longer then C&R has been in vogue).  To paraphrase Lee
Wulff, if the space aliens from the Dogon System enjoyed watching
our NBA basketball, they would not Catch and Kill all the tallest
players.

Most fisheries geneticists now concur: if the large fish are always
removed, a stock producing only small fish may result...

Also, I detect a logical inconsistency in your argument (mentioned
at least once by another poster) here: the C&R folks are *releasing*
the fish that presumably were not 'spooked' easily and were not wary
of imitations.  And the C&K people are *killing* them.  The former
may survive to spawn, but the latter certainly will not.  _If_ there's
any selection going on for these traits, it is exactly the opposite of
what you fear (i.e. more relatively "dumb" and catchable fish survive
to breed).

(As for "poor fighters", I've never hooked a trout that didn't fight
like a drunken Irishman: maybe one of those nasty C&R folks tired it
out on you?  Then again, if a C&K person had caught it it would dead
already and wouldn't be putting up any kind of fight, Eh? ;^)

As one libertarian to another, I gotta tell you my heart began bleeding
for the trout when I was much too young to have a consistent political
philosophy all worked out.  I can still remember the very first time I
decided to release a catch: it was summer in the Cascades of Washington,
and we were visiting the grandparents in my home town.  I was accustomed
to catching my limit (back then it was eight or ten, now it's just two)
and bringing them back to eat (though we certainly weren't lacking meat
in our diet).

Then one day I reeled in a beautiful 'bow, and just didn't see the point
of putting him on a stringer and snapping his neck and gutting him later.
And personally, I didn't and don't have any ethical or moral qualms about
catching and releasing fish (though I had never heard the term way back
then).  So I let him go, and continue to do so to this day.

(Somebody please queue the quintessential _Born Free_ theme song... ;^)

I know it is galling to have Big Brother tell you when, where and how
you can fish.  And I fully understand the frustration.  On the other
hand, I went fishing yesterday at a local lake and *every single one*
of the fisherfolks there had _at least_ two lines in the water!!!

Suffice it to say that the fishing pressure there was a bit extreme...

Here in California, two of the four salmon runs (including what was
once the largest) on the Sacramento are very near extinction (and I'm
sad to say, realistically, are probably doomed and will likely never
recover).  Except for an all-out ban on the salmon fishing here, C&R
is one of the few things which offers a chance that some of the few
hundred of these survivors that are left may make it up the river to
spawn.

In Santa Cruz, where I live now, there used to be a salmon run on the
San Lorenzo (which runs right through town).  But no longer.  There is
still a steelhead run, but the recent drought & habitat destruction &
fishing pressure have all conspired to destroy that as well.  And every
C&K fisherman contributes to its destruction and eventual extinction.

So should all fishing on the river be totally banned?

How 'bout ocean fishing within X units of its mouth??

I just found out about a local group called (appropriately enough)
the Santa Cruz Fly Fishermen (yup, a little sexist, particularly for
*this* town, and especially considering the President is a woman ;^)
and they advocate new regs to include: eliminate bait fishing, limit
tackle to barbless hooks on lures/flies, and release all *wild* fish
immediately and keeping the catch limit of 2 hatchery-marked fish in
possession per day.

Is this the type of modified (not absolute) C&R policy that you might
be willing and able to live with?

At a fairly rarefied philosophical level, my libertarian notions of
property rights are in essence absolute in most cases: for instance,
my paycheck is mine, and it is ethically indefensible for "the mob"
to extort from me under the threat of jail (or worse).  Also, I own
my rod & reel absolutely, and am free to destroy it if I see fit to
do so.

But a watershed and/or a fish run knows no boundaries or borders.  To
my thinking, they do not properly fall into the category of "property"
(and a tort case after the fact of an extinction will not bring back 
the wild fish, wary/stupid big/little or otherwise).

Okay, so I've babbled enough already.  Thanks again for the welcome to
this newsgroup.

Best Regards,

Tim (Dog-Bone) Ruckle

--
When the trout are lost, smash the state.
                                                       --Tom McGuane


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Arklier wrote:
> 
> My question is, what are you trying to do posting to the alt.fishing
> newsgroup besides pissing people off? Other than a few who also make
> posts like this, there is no one here who enjoys or even listens to
> this kind of post. We've all heard it all before. What are you, a
> troll or something? You're just wasting your breath and our time.
> 
> And yes, I love to fish. It is a legal activity and I intend to enjoy
> a sport I've loved since childhood. And while I sometimes kill (yes,
> kill) the fish I catch, just like any other animal would, I like to
> think I'm a lot more humane to the fish than a cat or otter would be.
> Really guys, you should get out there and see what the natural  world
> is all about.
> 
> While I do not condone the obvious acts of cruelty you gave as
> examples, I can tell you from personal experience, incidents like
> these are the exception, not the rule. Does everyone in your movement
> break into medical labs armed with guns to 'liberate' diseased test
> subjects? I rest my case.
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Arklier
> 
> "Watch the face! I just had it chromed!"

yeah you tell 'em


From flconnor@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:10 EDT 1996
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From: flconnor@aol.com (Flconnor)
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Subject: Re: Question about smallmouth
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Actually these are two different species.  The smallmouth bass is
_Micropterus_ _dolomieu_.  The redeye bass is _Micropterus_ _coosae_.  The
smallmouth bass  ranges from nothern Alabama and Gerogia, North Carolina
north into Canada and has been stocked elsewhere.  The redeye bass has a
more limited range.  Generally in the southeast, northern Florida, eastern
Alabama, western Gerogia.  Their ranges overlap in Alabama and Georgia.


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Thu May 23 14:09:11 EDT 1996
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From: Craig Arfman <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz>
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> Christoper Renna says:
> I'm still looking for the "dead and dying fish littering our oceans,
> lakes , and streams"[my paraphrase]. I guess I'll have to go out again
> this weekend for some more "research".
> Christopher Renna

Depends where you look Chris. If one just looks for "floaters", i.e. 
those fish that float to the surface dead, one could conclude that C&R 
mortality is low. To measure post-release mortality accurately, requires 
better methods: keeping fish in a holding pen for observation, tracking 
them using sonic tags, or in some cases draining a pond and counting 
MISSING fish (and yes that has been done). 

So do "Sport" fishers leave the ocean "littered" with dead fish?
Sometimes, yes. The following is from page 95 or the February 1989 issue 
of Sportfishing Magazine "after one major south Florida live-bait 
tournament several years ago, divers reported counting the bodies of 
more than 100 dead sailfish lying on the bottom".

I'm glad that this discussion is taking place, at least it is getting 
some fishers to think about what happens to fish after they are 
released, and hopefully reconsider their actions. BTW I'm impressed you 
took the time to read some of the extracts from the Medway Report, even 
if you don't agree with it.
- Craig Arfman


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> Catch and Release is a true act of conservation.  The gentle release of
> said fish results in far less kill ratio than taking all you catch for the
> table.

You have missed the point. A food harvesting fisher STOPS fishing after 
he has taken enough to meet his needs. Many C&R fishers who fish to 
amuse themselves by fighting fish that can't fight back, NEVER stop 
killing, they just calls it "Sport" or "Conservation". The food 
harvester, (assuming he or she is competent) would leave a lot less dead 
fish rotting on the bottom than, the C&R fanatic who is convinced he 
does no damage, and therefore need excercise no restraint.
- Craig


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John H. Kim wrote:

> Most C&R studies are correlation studies.  They don't try to
> explain how catching a fish leads to its death (although that is
> the underlying assumption).  You catch a bunch of fish and see how
> many die.  Then you compare that to how many fish die normally,
> and you get a correlation.  In arguing about percent mortality,
> we're just arguing how strong the correlation is.  The only ways
> to fake this (aside from outright fraud) are procedural.  Once
> you've collected the numbers, everything afterwards is pure math.
> You should be able to figure out any procedural anomolies from
> reading the study if there hasn't been outright fraud.
> I agree. The way to influence the result of a C&R mortality study is to 
use a procedure which is likely to skew the results. Outright fraud 
would be tacky and only shows a lack of imagination. The point I was 
attempting to make is that when Joe Megabucks, who has a million dollars 
wrapped up in his "sport" fishing machine, and is a board member of an 
Organisation representing "sport" fishing interests, hands out a 
research grant, it's in Joe's best interests to select a researcher who 
is pro-C&R. Whatever facts the research yields, he want's to be sure the 
researcher can be counted on for the usual "we gratefully acknowledge 
the assistance of the Megabucks Foundation, .... and we have acquired 
useful data regarding .... and although some mortality occurred this is 
within acceptable limits". Now this is opinion, not scientific fact, but 
Megabucks would be a fool to give money to a researcher unsympathetic to 
his cause.

Megabucks probably pays his boat captain a lot more than the researcher 
earns, and since the researcher is operating in a publish or perish 
environment, compromise and accomodation are simply realistic survival 
and career enhancement strategies.

As a "sport" fisher Megabucks would like to see results indicating not 
that many dead and dying fish are being left at sea, as a result of his 
and other "sport" fishers amusing themselves by fighting fish that can't 
fight back. How to skew the results to show low mortality? Use heavier 
tackle and shorter capture times in the experiment than are normally 
used by "Sport" fishers. Only use sonic tags on the fish which appear 
most healthy, and least likely to die. Keep post-release observation 
periods as short as possible. 

There was an article in an Australian "sport" fishing magazine lately 
which reported on a study which "proved" only a 3 percent C&R mortality. 
Kahawai were kept in a rock pool for a one hour observation period after 
being caught. 3% died within one hour after being caught. The magazine 
concluded that this proved only 3% died as a result of C&R, which is, of 
course, an "acceptable" level of mortality. Since post-release mortality 
remains relatively high for the first 24 to 48 hours, and then tapers 
off, limiting the observation period to 1 hour ensures the mortality 
count is lower than if the fish had been held for a longer period.

Many, perhaps most "sport" fishers would not question such a conclusion, 
(3 % total mortality) or ask themselves whether the procedure was 
designed to produce skewed or misleading results.

As of tommorrow I will be off the Net for a while as I am shifting 
houses. This discussion on science and C&R mortality studies was just 
starting to get good. I would certainly be willing to continue it when I 
return. - Craig Arfman


From mebooker@atnet.net Thu May 23 14:09:12 EDT 1996
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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
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RIVER SPILL PRODUCES FISH SUFFERING FROM GAS BUBBLE TRAUMA


LEWISTON, Idaho--Migrating juvenile endangered salmon and steelhead have shown signs of gas
bubble trauma, a potentially fatal disease caused by excess gases, as high spill occurred
this week at Lower Granite Dam on the Snake River. The incidence of the trauma, early in the
spring juvenile salmon and steelhead migration season, is a sign that the federal government
is not adequately protecting the fish, a commerce group says.

The federal government altered winter operations to keep upstream storage reservoirs higher,
triggering the higher spills. In addition, several of the dam's turbines were turned off to
install a surface collector prototype designed to aid the migration of juvenile salmon and
steelhead.

The turbine closure, along with already high water levels in the river, meant excess water
had to be spilled over the dam. Dissolved gas levels rose above 130 percent, 20 percent
higher than state and federal environmental protection standards and 10 percent higher than a
recent waiver granted to the National Marine Fisheries Service to purposely conduct spills at
the Columbia and Snake river dams.

More than 30 percent of fish examined at the downstream Little Goose Dam on the Snake River
exhibited signs of the gas bubble trauma. The falling water, infused with excess oxygen and
nitrogen, in turn caused sign of gas build-up. Gas bubble trauma is potentially fatal to fish
and other aquatic life and is similar to the bends suffered by human deep sea divers.

The spill caused the season's first documented incidence of gas bubble trauma of the 1996
juvenile salmon migration season. Over the last two years, dissolved gas levels rose above
the allowable standard so often that the federal government halted the spill early. The
fisheries service will again conduct spill at the dams, but a river system already saturated
with water from this year's wet winter could prove lethal for fish.

This is a good example of bad things that could happen in the next two months as even more
water comes into the river system from spring runoff, said Bruce Lovelin, executive director
of the Columbia River Alliance for Fish, Commerce and Communities, a group that has opposed
spill as a way to help endangered salmon. Lovelin said the fisheries service should have done
more to protect the fish. The fisheries service has not but should be taking all actions
possible to protect these endangered salmon from high spills that will create lethal river
conditions, he said.

s/Mark from the land of the Mighty Columbia!!





From jtrottma@hach.com Thu May 23 14:09:12 EDT 1996
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From: jtrottma@hach.com (Jerry Trottmann)
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I am searching for information ( name and location) about a company that makes a
reflectometer that can determine the freshness of fish.  This instrument may determine t
he absorbance
of a surface by reading thr light reflected from the surface.   The company name may
contain the letters ADI and possibly be located in Georga, USA.
This product was observed in a lab but no other information was available.
Any and all help in locating the manufacture of such a device will be most
happly accepted.
-- 
Please e-mail responces to jtrottma@hach.com

#       Jerry B. Trottmann - External Projects Manage



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On 9 May 1996, Flconnor wrote:

> Actually these are two different species.  The smallmouth bass is
> _Micropterus_ _dolomieu_.  The redeye bass is _Micropterus_ _coosae_.  The
> smallmouth bass  ranges from nothern Alabama and Gerogia, North Carolina
> north into Canada and has been stocked elsewhere.  The redeye bass has a
> more limited range.  Generally in the southeast, northern Florida, eastern
> Alabama, western Gerogia.  Their ranges overlap in Alabama and Georgia.
> 
	However,  In areas where there is overlap there may be hybrids of 
both species.  (Still has to be documented)  There are "red-eyed" M. 
dolomieu in Canada which are sometimes referred to as red-eyes,  and 
the rock-bass (not of the genus Micropterus) sometimes have red-eye.

Hope this helped a bit.

sean

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In article <3191A72E.7F74@taranaki.ac.nz>,
Craig Arfman  <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
[SNIP]
>Depends where you look Chris. If one just looks for "floaters", i.e. 
>those fish that float to the surface dead, one could conclude that C&R 
>mortality is low. To measure post-release mortality accurately, requires 
>better methods: keeping fish in a holding pen for observation, tracking 
>them using sonic tags, or in some cases draining a pond and counting 
>MISSING fish (and yes that has been done). 

Do floaters make up an insignificant number of dead fish? If not I would
expect to see alot of them. Don't you think? I was not really looking
for an accurate method. I was questioning the diatribe portion of your
post. If mortality is high that should be enough to bolster your side
of the argument. Why resort to the AR propaganda speak?

>So do "Sport" fishers leave the ocean "littered" with dead fish?
>Sometimes, yes. The following is from page 95 or the February 1989 issue 
>of Sportfishing Magazine "after one major south Florida live-bait 
>tournament several years ago, divers reported counting the bodies of 
>more than 100 dead sailfish lying on the bottom".

I am not familiar with sailfish. Are we talking about Marlin? I would like
to know how many dead fish were on the bottom before the tournament started. 

>I'm glad that this discussion is taking place, at least it is getting 
>some fishers to think about what happens to fish after they are 
>released, and hopefully reconsider their actions. BTW I'm impressed you 
>took the time to read some of the extracts from the Medway Report, even 
>if you don't agree with it.

The "discussion" will continue. The addition of AR rhetoric and baseless
inuendo is what most of us have problems with. If you were willing to 
suspend that type of nonsense there might be some real discourse.

I always try to read both sides of any issue I'm interested in. But let
me ask you this. What, other than the recommendations section, was there of 
substance with which to agree or disagree in the Medway Report? I couldn't
find anything in the excerpts that said much of anything.

>- Craig Arfman

Christopher Renna



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Kevin Fay (kfay@erols.com) wrote:
: Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
: trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.

: Regards,

: Kevin Fay

Well, I hope that there is not money on the line, because you will need a 
lawyer to interpret.  Based on the 1989 publishing of "Aftma's Pocket 
Guide to Fishing Lakes & Reservoirs" FIM Publshing, PO Box 197, Phoenix, 
MD 21131, the anatomical features of a smallmouth clearly include a red 
circle around the eye.  This may be interpreted as part of the eye, maybe 
the socket or ...?  The book is black-and-white, but it looks pretty 
clear.  Good luck with this one!  Have you ever caught what people call a 
rock bass?  They are like a hearty perch or something and they have red 
eyes.  

jp

p.s.  Don't ask me where I got the Aftma pocket guide.  All I know is 
that I did not buy it.  ;)




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In <4mrmh2$qqp@thor.atcon.com>, Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com> writes:
>My experience is that the males have the red eye, especially at spawning 
>time. At the same time, the males tend to be olive green, while the 
>females have more pronounced black bars. This comes from three years of 
>filming spawning sequences of smallmouth.
>
>Lawrence
>
>
Hi, I'm certainly not a fisheries biologist, but rather a smallmouth bass angler
for about 5 years. I fish tournaments so I get to keep smallmouth in the live
wells. I now have a boat with pure white livewells where my old boat was
a dark color aluminum livewell. The smallmouth seems to be quite a cameleon
since when put in livewell most have VERY pronounced markings on the body
and gill covers. After some time in the white livewell the marking will have almost
disappeared and the fish takes on a very light shade of olive. Sometimes the same 
thing goes for the eyes. Quite often they are red when freshly caught but after 
being in the livewell (white one, that is) for a while they are dark again. 
The same colouration changes I did not observe when I used the darker livewell. 
They would tend to keep their markings.  Maybe this explains the eye colour. 
We only have smallmouth in our waters and when I have caught red eyed bass
they definitely were smallmouth and their eye colour definitely changed while in my 
livewell.
Regards STG 



From fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com Thu May 23 14:09:14 EDT 1996
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I challange any one from PETA  or SPCA to appear on my radio 
program to discuss their "pain" point of view. You can reach the show as
follows: 
Hi: Listen to our radio show,The Fishin' Zone, that broadcasts every
Saturday morning from 6-7 am. Eastern time on 72 stations to over 600
cities in the US. 
We have a "troll" free number 1-800-298-8255. Call us and let's talk some
fish; or E-mail me your address and I will return mail  2 free bumper
stickers that say I FISH & I VOTE for your car-boat-rod case or tackle box.
We will inform you of the nearest radio station to you.  
Tight Lines,  
The Fishin' Zone- Steve Sloan 
-- 
 
Stephen Sloan


From jokim@tuna.mit.edu Thu May 23 14:09:14 EDT 1996
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In article <3191AF8B.5F35@taranaki.ac.nz>,
Craig Arfman  <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
>John H. Kim wrote:
>
>> we're just arguing how strong the correlation is.  The only ways
>> to fake this (aside from outright fraud) are procedural.  Once
>> you've collected the numbers, everything afterwards is pure math.
>> You should be able to figure out any procedural anomolies from
>> reading the study if there hasn't been outright fraud.
>> I agree. The way to influence the result of a C&R mortality study is to 
>use a procedure which is likely to skew the results. Outright fraud 
>would be tacky and only shows a lack of imagination. The point I was 

Has anybody else noticed postings from Netscape that include quotes
merge the first line of the reply into the quote?

If you're following up an article via Netscape, please include a
leading blank line (an extra carriage return at the beginning) to
avoid this problem.

>attempting to make is that when Joe Megabucks, who has a million dollars 
>wrapped up in his "sport" fishing machine, and is a board member of an 
>Organisation representing "sport" fishing interests, hands out a 
>research grant, it's in Joe's best interests to select a researcher who 
>is pro-C&R. Whatever facts the research yields, he want's to be sure the 
>researcher can be counted on for the usual "we gratefully acknowledge 
>the assistance of the Megabucks Foundation, .... and we have acquired 
>useful data regarding .... and although some mortality occurred this is 
>within acceptable limits". Now this is opinion, not scientific fact, but 
>Megabucks would be a fool to give money to a researcher unsympathetic to 
>his cause.

I'm sure things like this happen, but I think you're being overly
cynical of people.  If Megabucks is a fool to give money to an
unsympathetic researcher, they're applying the same logic to that
researcher as you are to Megabucks.  That is, they/you are assuming
the researcher/Megabucks is inherently dishonest, and will sacrifice 
their integrity to achieve a political/financial objective.

Also, I'm not so sure they'd be a fool to hire an unsympathetic
researcher.  If they do, and the results come up against them,
then they can say the researcher never like them to begin with.
If the results come up for them, it's a publicity coup.

On the other hand, say they hire a sympathetic researcher.  If
the results come up against them, it's really bad.  If the results
come up for them, then they face criticism along your lines.

                         | Results against | Results for
-------------------------+-----------------+-------------
Sympathetic researcher   |      bad        |  uncertain
Unsympathetic researcher |   uncertain     |    good

It seems the only way they can get good press is to hire an
unsympathetic researcher, and the only way to get bad press is
to hire an sympathetic researcher.  Seems to me the smart thing
to do is hire an unsympathetic researcher.  (This is highly
idealized, ignoring a lot of factors, so don't take it as the
say-all end-all :)

And Megabucks Foundation's short-term interest is continued C&R,
but their long-term interest is in the survival of the fishery. 
The latter doesn't bode well if they skew studies.

>Megabucks probably pays his boat captain a lot more than the researcher 
>earns, and since the researcher is operating in a publish or perish 
>environment, compromise and accomodation are simply realistic survival 
>and career enhancement strategies.

>From  what I've seen of academia and research, if you're caught
faking data, your career is basically over.  You have to weigh
that in with the above factors.

>fight back. How to skew the results to show low mortality? Use heavier 
>tackle and shorter capture times in the experiment than are normally 
>used by "Sport" fishers. Only use sonic tags on the fish which appear 
>most healthy, and least likely to die. Keep post-release observation 
>periods as short as possible. 

These all should show up in a description of the procedures used.
Your first example is actually useful for comparing the effect of
tackle and capture times on mortality.

>There was an article in an Australian "sport" fishing magazine lately 
>which reported on a study which "proved" only a 3 percent C&R mortality. 
>Kahawai were kept in a rock pool for a one hour observation period after 
>being caught. 3% died within one hour after being caught. The magazine 
>concluded that this proved only 3% died as a result of C&R, which is, of 

No matter what the magazine says, the 3% figure does provide a
baseline - after 24 hours, at least 3% of the fish will have died,
probably more.  I agree with you it's disgraceful that someone would
use data deceptively like that, but that doesn't mean the data are
useless.  It's all in the interpretation; in this case, interpretation
outside the control of those who did the study.

>As of tommorrow I will be off the Net for a while as I am shifting 
>houses. This discussion on science and C&R mortality studies was just 
>starting to get good. I would certainly be willing to continue it when I 
>return. - Craig Arfman

Craig, I think you might get further if you toned down the rhetoric.
I think you have a good point - that just because you C&R a fish
doesn't mean it'll live, and everyone should strive to minimize C&R
mortality, even to the point of banning C&R if the data support it.
But your tactics leave much to be desired.  You're making many more 
enemies than converts.  Yes the literal definition of 'decimate' is
to kill one in ten, but it's a charged word carrying a lot of emotional
baggage with it.  Just like 'discriminate' literally means to discern
differences (and since everyone except blind folks can discern the
difference between black people and white people, by definition
everyone discriminates).  Stop with the "seas full of dead and dying
fish" quotes and people won't view you so much as threat or wacko. 
When they start taking you seriously is when you'll start winning
them over.
-- 
John H. Kim            "I don't want to go there today."
jokim@mit.edu             - overheard outside the Microsoft booth at
jokim@tuna.mit.edu          Internet World '95


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Kevin! I have heard that all small mouth Bass have red eyes.


kfay@erols.com (Kevin Fay) writes:
> Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
> trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kevin Fay
> 



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     While researching Shark info, I came across this group. Hello 
all, but I think you miss the point of "fish torture"...

     Instead of wondering if it is morally correct (poor fishies) 
or naturally correct (food chain), why not just level the field?
Chum the water near Polynesia and you can wrestle Great Whites, who 
are at least prepared to defend themselves. That said, I still need 
to know what kind of weight we're talking about. 
     If you win, how many pounds of shark meat from a medium (3 
meter) or a large (6 meter)...?
     
     Thank you for your assistance....
Foofnik@gnn.com
(aka DFoofnik@aol.com)



From Foofnik@gnn.com Thu May 23 14:09:15 EDT 1996
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     Just a simple question, the answer seemingly buried in trivia
about the various shark species :
     Given the length of Pacific Great Whites (up to 6 meters?)
what would be the approx body weight of the average? of the 
largest? Their protected status off California still in force (?)
has anyone been caught trolling for same???

 Thanks for your input. (New to this group)
Foofnik@gnn.com
(aka DFoofnik@aol.com)
Foofnik @ gnn.com



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kfay@erols.com (Kevin Fay) wrote:

>Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
>trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Regards,
>
>Kevin Fay
>

No smallmouth bass have red eyes (unless injured badly).

The fish you are probably referring to is a rock bass, which normally
has a redish eye.  The rock bass is normally less than 1/2 a pound.

DuckHunt



From uc407@ciao.trail.bc.ca Thu May 23 14:09:16 EDT 1996
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> From: Todd Noga <toddnoga@cbvcp.com>
> Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries,alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
> Subject: Re: Fraser River sturgeon
> Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 18:04:21 -0700
> 
> I have no idea as to the cause of the Fraser dieoff.
> I am curious as to why your asking for input on a 
> Columbia river Ban? I don't see the relationship.
> The sturgeon population in the Columbia is doing
> quite well,despite the stupid gill nets that I'd
> like to see banned.Catch and release doesn't seem
> to have a detrimental effect,Bill,who owns a tackle
> shop in this area,has caught and tagged hundreds
> of oversize sturgeon in his lifetime,and has recaught 
> many he'd caught years previous.you can E-mail me
> for his phone # if you'd like to talk to him,he's 
> forgot more about sturgeon than I'll probably ever know.

The sturgeon fishery on the Canadian portion of the Columbia was closed 
this spring, thus pissing off the small number of guides (believe 2, 
maybe 3) who specialized in sturgeon charters. The fishery has been 
totally C&R for years; now you can't *intentionally* fish for them, 
though I don't know how they enforce that.

The action was taken because of the (apparently) very small number of 
immature sturgeon in the river in the Castlegar-Trail area. Apparently, 
sturgeon spawning success has been declining for the last 25 years 
(amazing - that's how long the dams have been there). However, there 
seems to be a disagreement between the F&W folks and the guides as to how 
many of the smaller fish (<30") there actually are out there.

The bigger ones were definitely caught over and over again; the theory is 
that this has disrupted their reproduction.

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From dfoofnik@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:16 EDT 1996
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Would anybody here know the approx landed
weight of a 20 ft Great White??


From richp@mnsinc.com Thu May 23 14:09:16 EDT 1996
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D. Braun (dbraun@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: I will agree that to needlessly inflict pain and suffering on any
: organism, for the purpose of watching response to physical stimuli can be
: sick---for the human, or it can merely be for scientific inquiry, food
: gathering, or the neccesary biproduct of walking around. In my opinion,
: the only reason to refrain from impacting organisms is if the human does
: it to garner sadistic pleasure---- because it further warps the human.  To
: try to convince people to refrain from eating animal proteen because it
: will reduce the "suffering" in the world is tilting at windmills.  Death
: by natural causes is the exception--- big things eat little things, often
: when they are still alive.

Right, what ecologists are trying to preserve are basically systems of
information.  If humans interfere too suddenly or heavily with these
systems, information can be lost.  And it's basically this information
that generates the resources that we all live on.

Looking at it another way, environmentalists are trying to preserve 
the products of evolution (i.e. current species and ecosystems).  This
information can not be replaced if it's lost (at least as far as human 
society is concerned; evolution happens over very long time-scales).  Part of
this ecosystem process is that animals eat each other; it would be
radically changed if it were otherwise.  

Now, if huamns interfere with an ecosystem to a dramatic extent through
fishing (say, extensive use of lead weights; overfishing of natural stocks;
introduction or overstocking of game fish) than ecologists would want to
have these activities halted.  However, if the fishing appears to be 
sustainable, it's hard to argue against.  After all, humans live off of
the natural world; any food we get takes resources out of an ecosystem
somewhere.

Now, I personally am a vegetarian because it takes less resources to 
produce a certain amount of human food in the form of plants than it does
if you feed plants to animals and eat them.  But sport fishing, as long as
it's sustainable, provides critically needed allies to the environmental
movement in the form of more voters with an interest in keeping semi-
natural areas undeveloped.  One of the strong arguments against logging
in the PNW, for instance, comes from local salmon fishers who are having
salmon runs destroyed by sedimentation.

As for Braun's argument about not encouraging sadistic behavior in humans,
I would agree.  Certainly some of C&R people posting on this thread seem
to have let something go to their heads.  But hunting without this
sadistic attitude seems to be possible; it may be more of a social or
individual mindset than anything else.  Else we would not see all of
this (slighty hokey IMHO) veneration of Native Americans as "in touch
with nature".  If hunting is something you do for food, and not because
you get some kind of sadistic charge out of it, it doesn't have to affect
you in a negative way.  

--
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Jeff Houston (jhouston@i-america.net) wrote:
: It dont really matter whether they feel any pain or not, a fish is a 
: lower form of life and as such are subject to be eaten by a higher form 
: of life. Such as other fish, ducks, Beaver, Bear, and the list goes on 
: and on. Oh, I almost forgot HUMANS. Of course being an environmental 
: wacko I bet you didnt realize that did you?

Your statement above is ignorant for several reasons.  First of all this
whole concept of "lower" and "higher" forms of life, with lower ones being
subject to being eaten by higher ones, is ecologically meaningless.  
Predation of multi-celled organisms by single celled organisms or viruses
often occurs (i.e. the "lower" form of life eats the "higher" one) and in
general food webs have little relation to huamn judgements about which
animals should be subject to which other ones.  Secondly, an argument that 
one shouldn't fish because of the pain and/or distress that the fish feel is
not an environmental argument, it's an animal rights argument.  The two
arguments are quite different; see previous posts by D. Braun or I on
this thread.

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From donb@rational.com Thu May 23 14:09:17 EDT 1996
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From: donb@rational.com (Don Baccus)
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>Jeff Houston (jhouston@i-america.net) wrote:
>: It dont really matter whether they feel any pain or not, a fish is a 
>: lower form of life and as such are subject to be eaten by a higher form 
>: of life.

So white sharks and grizzly bears, each of which occasionally eat humans,
are a higher form of life that we are?

Interesting concept.
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From lafisher@amoco.com Thu May 23 14:09:17 EDT 1996
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From: "Larry A. Fisher" <lafisher@amoco.com>
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I don't believe you AR types will ever get it, because you don't want to 
understand the real picture. Animals don't have rights. Let me repeat - 
animals don't have rights. God gave man dominion over all animals to use 
for his benefit. I did not say abuse - I said use. Now if you don't 
believe that then anything else we (hunters and fishermen) could say will 
fall on deaf ears. I already know that is the case, I only respond, 
because I don't believe the AR people should escape scott free for all 
the garbage you profess as moral and legal law. There is no law in the 
United States that makes hunting and fishing illegal. And somehow you 
have all transformed your opinions into "politically correct morality". 
And that's all it is - your opinion! So you don't like hunting and 
fishing - so what! Who appointed you moral judge and jury?

You want to try and interrupt my fishing? Give it a whirl! My bet is that 
most of you will be mighty sorry you ever tangled with us while we're 
engaged in a perfectly legal activity such as fishing. We can't change 
your thinking, but I bet we can change your involvement. I spent 2 years 
in Viet Nam fighting for rights of people everywhere, including my own. 
If any of you think I will stand complacently while you go about your 
"business" you are all very naive. As I have stated before, I don't make 
veiled threats. Any AR types try to disrupt my legally  guaranteed right 
to fish and you will suffer the consequences of your actions.

You want to flame me, go ahead. I can dump your garbage faster than you 
can send it. Besides, I have bigger fish to fry. Pun intended. I might 
return a good fish recipe to you in return!

And Craig Barfman, I know your lurking out there under a rock someplace. 
You say you worked on fishing boats in the US at one time. What are you 
doing now hiding out in New Zealand from US authorities? Not an American? 
Well then, who cares what you think. A US citizen who gave up his 
citizenship? Well then, good riddens.

Larry Fisher 



From cs_s452@kingston.ac.uk Thu May 23 14:09:18 EDT 1996
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From: cs_s452@kingston.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
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Jeff Houston (jhouston@i-america.net) wrote:
: Nigel Ling wrote:
: > 
: > That's correct, and there is much anecdotal evidence to suggest that
: > the experience of pain in fish is very different to that of humans.
: > There is also another argument concerning the cerebal cortex of a
: > fish, which obviously is not as well developed as in humans. These
: > sort of factors have to be taken into account when making comparisons
: > of different species.
: > 
: > The view on fish pain amongst experimental psychologists is mixed. However,
: > what they all seem to agree on is that it is not possible to determine
: > whether fish feel pain in the emotional sense that we understand. It is a
: > pity that those who are determined to impose their morality on everyone
: > else cannot at least try and see the other point of view.

: > NigelIt dont really matter whether they feel any pain or not, a fish is a 
: lower form of life and as such are subject to be eaten by a higher form 
: of life. Such as other fish, ducks, Beaver, Bear, and the list goes on 
: and on. Oh, I almost forgot HUMANS. Of course being an environmental 
: wacko I bet you didnt realize that did you?

Good God, what is about you American fishing fellows? Can one not defend
fishing without someone responding with a gratuitous and misdirected insult?
Perhaps my sentences were too long for you and obscured the meaning. But I can
assure you I am on the side of fishermen (because I am one). And I do think
it's a good idea to counter attacks on fishing with intelligent argument, though
I appreciate this may be difficult for you.

Well, I'm not interested in a flame war with a shoot-from-the-hip, 
hang-em-high American, so you can happily fire off a few more good ol'
American insults without response. How about: Bleeding heart liberal, 
nut-chewing weirdo, asshole, and so on. Asshole's a good one: I imagine
you know that quite well.

Nigel



From fishnut@dreamscape.com Thu May 23 14:09:18 EDT 1996
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From: fishnut@dreamscape.com (Rich Metzler)
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I would like to know if anyone has any ideas about what type of tags would 
work well for tagging lake trout in Lake Ontario.  We have a slot limit on the 
lake, all lakers between 25-30" have to be released, and I want to start a 
tagging project in the area, mainly to study mortality of released fish (about 
50-65% of lakers caught are in this slot).  The NYS DEC studies on this 
subject are not very conclusive and are basically guesswork, nothing is based 
on actual collected data.  Many charter operators and fisherman are concerned 
over the mortality of released lake trout especially in the summer, where the 
fish are brought up from depths of 120'+ where water temp is in the low 40's 
only to be cranked up and released into 65-70 F surface water, and are at the 
fate of gulls and other scaveging predators.


From lafisher@amoco.com Thu May 23 14:09:18 EDT 1996
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From: "Larry A. Fisher" <lafisher@amoco.com>
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Subject: Re: C&R Environmental Vandalism??: An Open Invitation
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Let's be realistic here Craig. You just can't stand the fact that all of 
us fishermen (I don't believe in pc either) like to catch and eat fish. 
So what if 10% of the fish die in catch and release. It all involves the 
understanding of the food chain. I guarantee you will not see any beaches 
or shorelines in the Gulf coast of Texas that are littered with all these 
supposed fish bodies. You obviously have not heard of the blue crab. A 
dead fish is devoured in short order in salt water marshes and bays. If 
we just extended your "beliefs and theories" a little bit then one could 
assume that no fish would die, and now we have the salt marsh and bays 
littered with crab bodies. Hey, they gotta eat too. Or don't they count 
with you AR types. I don't like releasing an undersized fish that is 
badly hooked, but that's the law in Texas. I know though that the fish 
will not be wasted, because the crab will feast that day. Fact. Just ask 
Mr. Rowley.

Larry Fisher



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from: http://www.ampef.org/news

                    NOT TAKING THE BAIT 

Outdoors columnists around the country have been joyously
lampooning PETA's announcement that it will start a campaign to
end sports fishing this summer (see earlier item, below). Gene
Mueller of The Washington Times predicted in his column May 1,
"With its announcement that it will fight sport anglers, PETA
will soon discover it has committed a major tactical error that
can spell its doom. Good for everybody."


-- 
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From lafisher@amoco.com Thu May 23 14:09:19 EDT 1996
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From: "Larry A. Fisher" <lafisher@amoco.com>
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Subject: Re: Environmental Vandalism/Self Rightiousism
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Brett, you have my whole-hearted support. I've always been and always 
will be a fisherman. Heck, look at my surname. Think my family has 
fishing in its' blood? I don't have any studies, and quite frankly I 
don't believe we need them in this newsgroup or any other purtaining to 
fishing. I will not justify what I do, legally, to Craig Arfman, K, or 
any other self absorbed twit in the AR movement. 

I wish I could offer you some help though, because I understand your 
scientific interest and concern. All I do is give my money to 
organizations like GCCA to do the work that one individual could not 
possibly do.

I used to bass fish exclusively until I caught my first redfish. Well, 
I've been a salt water angler ever since.

Don't give up or give in -  we are right. 

Larry Fisher
lafisher@amoco.com



From lacroix88@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:19 EDT 1996
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just a side bar......the aftma pocket fishing guide is a great book for
beginning anglers....


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From: crenna@pogo.den.mmc.com (Chris Nmi Renna)
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In article <3191B127.61E4@taranaki.ac.nz>,
Craig Arfman  <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
[SNIP]
>You have missed the point. A food harvesting fisher STOPS fishing after 
>he has taken enough to meet his needs. Many C&R fishers who fish to 
>amuse themselves by fighting fish that can't fight back, NEVER stop 
>killing, they just calls it "Sport" or "Conservation". The food 
>harvester, (assuming he or she is competent) would leave a lot less dead 
>fish rotting on the bottom than, the C&R fanatic who is convinced he 
>does no damage, and therefore need excercise no restraint.

And I dare say this point has some merit. But let's take your 10% average
mortality on a limit of 6 fish. A C&R fisherman would have to catch 60
fish to kill as many (on average) as the food harvester, right? Know
any holes where I can catch 60 fish in a day? I don't. I usually catch
about 4 or 5. On a really good day it might be 10-15. Granted that the
dead fish in the C&R case are not eaten by the fisherman but they are no
more dead than the ones that become human food. If you could get past
the convenient catch phrases and diatribe you might be able to see that,
while there may be some theoretical world where C&R fishermen are hauling in
fish so fast that they actually kill more fish than those who keep all
they catch, in practice this is rarely the case.

The only exceptions I can think of, in which the catch could reach such
high numbers, are those where schools of hungry fish are encountered.
These are usually in deep sea applications (or sometimes surf) and, as far
as I know there is little C&R going on there.

>- Craig

Christopher Renna




From wwflyfish@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:20 EDT 1996
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I've caught many smallmouth with red eyes and just as many with out and
they're
not rock bass.
Karl


From gem@star.brisnet.org.au Thu May 23 14:09:20 EDT 1996
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If you could tell me, it would solve an age old arguement between
myself and a few friends, that started in Sydney's Hard Rock Cafe
about a year ago

TIA


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In <4mvfv3$pp4@tel.den.mmc.com> crenna@pogo.den.mmc.com (Chris Nmi
Renna) writes: 
>
>In article <3191B127.61E4@taranaki.ac.nz>,
>Craig Arfman  <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
>[SNIP]
>>You have missed the point. A food harvesting fisher STOPS fishing
after 
>>he has taken enough to meet his needs. Many C&R fishers who fish to 
>>amuse themselves by fighting fish that can't fight back, NEVER stop 
>>killing, they just calls it "Sport" or "Conservation". The food 
>>harvester, (assuming he or she is competent) would leave a lot less
dead 
>>fish rotting on the bottom than, the C&R fanatic who is convinced he 
>>does no damage, and therefore need excercise no restraint.
>
>And I dare say this point has some merit. But let's take your 10%
average
>mortality on a limit of 6 fish. A C&R fisherman would have to catch 60
>fish to kill as many (on average) as the food harvester, right? Know
>any holes where I can catch 60 fish in a day? I don't. I usually catch
>about 4 or 5. On a really good day it might be 10-15. Granted that the
>dead fish in the C&R case are not eaten by the fisherman but they are
no
>more dead than the ones that become human food. If you could get past
>the convenient catch phrases and diatribe you might be able to see
that,
>while there may be some theoretical world where C&R fishermen are
hauling in
>fish so fast that they actually kill more fish than those who keep all
>they catch, in practice this is rarely the case.
>
>The only exceptions I can think of, in which the catch could reach
such
>high numbers, are those where schools of hungry fish are encountered.
>These are usually in deep sea applications (or sometimes surf) and, as
far
>as I know there is little C&R going on there.
>
>>- Craig
>
>Christopher Renna
>
>
Christopher,
Your logic is impeccable.  However, I work at a place where catching 60
fish in a day's fishing is not an unusual occurrence.  Granted, it is a
privately owned and managed sport fishery, and not the usual type.  If
we experienced anything near to 10% mortality, then we would quickly
run out of fish for the many fishermen we get.  On the contrary, I must
go electrofishing to try and thin the bass population as there are too
many to economically keep fed.  As best as I can tell, our C&R
mortalities are less than 1%.  As many as 1500 fish are caught and
released in a typical weekend and I seldom see any dead fish, on the
surface, or the bottom (shallow and gin clear water).  We do teach our
fishermen the proper techniques for handling our fish and restrict gear
to our specs.  The fish population is managed for quick recovery from
fishing pressure by supplemental feeding after each fishing group
leaves.  This keeps the fish fat, healthy, and unwary.  I see our fish
as a resource to be managed for its value in the pursuit of sport, not
as a resource to be consumed.  The fish are bred to be cuaght by
careful selective breeding and also bred for strength, durability,
rapid growth, large size, etc.  Since becoming a biologist nearly
twenty years ago, and a fish culturist, I have learned how truly
valuable a fish such as a bass is.  Its value is on the line, not in
the skillet.  It takes over ten pounds of live fish to grow a bass one
pound.  This makes bass an expensive resource to be conserved, rather
than consumed.  That is why I work to see to it that they are indeed
conserved and properly cared for.  Thanks for your support,

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html



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==========Kevin Fay, 5/8/96==========

Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards,

Kevin Fay

They are not smallmouth. We call them "Red-eyes" or "Rock Bass. 



From pezmen@gate.net Thu May 23 14:09:21 EDT 1996
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From: pezmen@gate.net (Hector Cruz-Lopez)
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The smallmoth bass and the red eye bass are two differnt species of the same 
genus (Micropterus).  Both of them ocurr in a few systems in Florida and to my 
knowledge do not hybridize in the wild.

hector "che" cruz-lopez
florida game and fish commission
fisheries genetics research lab
boca raton, fl



In article <4mph2r$rqc@news10.erols.com> kfay@erols.com (Kevin Fay) writes:
>From: kfay@erols.com (Kevin Fay)
>Subject: Question about smallmouth
>Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 17:33:08 GMT

>Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
>trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.

>Regards,

>Kevin Fay




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paz
hector "che" cruz-lopez
florida game and fish comm.
fisheries genetics research lab
boca raton, fl


In article <4mdrtq$4tn@hume.nmia.com> "Kenneth G. Schalhoub" <darken@nmia.com> 
writes:>From: "Kenneth G. Schalhoub" <darken@nmia.com>
>Subject: Billfish
>Date: 3 May 1996 20:56:26 GMT

>I am looking for information regarding the classification, evolution, and 
>lifestyles of the billfish of the oceans.  Anyone who can direct me 
>please email me.  Thank you.




From jokim@tuna.mit.edu Thu May 23 14:09:21 EDT 1996
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From: jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim)
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In article <4mvfv3$pp4@tel.den.mmc.com>,
Chris Nmi Renna <crenna@pogo.den.mmc.com> wrote:
>In article <3191B127.61E4@taranaki.ac.nz>,
>Craig Arfman  <c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
>[SNIP]
>>You have missed the point. A food harvesting fisher STOPS fishing after 
>>he has taken enough to meet his needs. Many C&R fishers who fish to 
>>amuse themselves by fighting fish that can't fight back, NEVER stop 
>>killing, they just calls it "Sport" or "Conservation". The food 
>>harvester, (assuming he or she is competent) would leave a lot less dead 
>>fish rotting on the bottom than, the C&R fanatic who is convinced he 
>>does no damage, and therefore need excercise no restraint.
>
>And I dare say this point has some merit. But let's take your 10% average
>mortality on a limit of 6 fish. A C&R fisherman would have to catch 60
>fish to kill as many (on average) as the food harvester, right? Know
>any holes where I can catch 60 fish in a day? I don't. I usually catch
>about 4 or 5. On a really good day it might be 10-15.

It's not exactly that simple.  You're assuming C&R and C&K fisherman
are equal and interchangable.  They're not.  Every C&R fisherman will
not become a C&K fisherman, nor will every C&K fisherman become a C&R
fisherman (the counterargument is that the C&K fisherman will switch
to C&R after catching his limit - which also isn't always true).  Also,
I suspect the number of C&R fishermen is greater than the number of C&K
fishermen.

That is, take the marlin fishery where (in California) the limit is two
fish, and maybe 70%-90% of the fishery is C&R.  It's easily conceivable
that the C&R population kills more fish than the C&K population.  If the
fishery were to be made C&K-only, many of the C&R folks might give it
up altogether because of all the marlin they would end up killing.  The
point being that they're already killing marlin via C&R, they just don't
know it -- a C&K-only policy makes them acutely aware of their impact on
the fishery.

However...

>while there may be some theoretical world where C&R fishermen are hauling in
>fish so fast that they actually kill more fish than those who keep all
>they catch, in practice this is rarely the case.

I agree, it's rarely the case.  It's just an unusual exception that's
irresistable to bring up when someone says that C&R always kills fewer
fish than C&K.  :)

-- 
John H. Kim            There are only two industries that call their
jokim@mit.edu          customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal.
jokim@tuna.mit.edu


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Bill

Drs. Noakes (behaviour), Beamish (ecology), Ferguson (genetics) and Van 
der Kraak (reproductive physiology) have all done a great deal of work 
with Sturgeon in the Kapaskasing (sp?) area for Ontario Hydro - I'm not 
sure of the contact at Hydro.  You can get a hold of any of them at the U 
of Guelph at 519-824-4120.  Good luck,

Jan.



William Ramshaw 
(wramshaw@beak.com) wrote:

: I was looking back through my files and rediscovered  a clipping of an
: article from The Georgia Straight (March 31-April 7 1995) titled "Mysterious
: Green Sturgeon Vanish from Fraser".  To summarize the story recounts efforts
: of a commercial fisherman to attract attention to the seeming demise of this
: now rare fish stock from the waters of British Columbia's Fraser River.  I am
: interested in finding out information about this and other species of the
: family Acipenseridae . 

: My interest is not work related (not yet).

: William Ramshaw
: Beak Consultants Limited
: 14 Abacus Road
: Brampton, Ontario
: M9W 6A5
: 905-794-2325(vox)
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From fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com Thu May 23 14:09:22 EDT 1996
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From: fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com(Stephen Sloan)
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If you know of Fishery issues that affect
habitat,by-catch,overfishing,management,enforcement,politics 
fish kills or waste please get in touch. I have a radio show that deals
with these matters as follows: 
Hi: Listen to our radio show,The Fishin' Zone, that broadcasts every
Saturday morning from 6-7 am. Eastern time on 72 stations to over 600
cities in the US. 
We have a "troll" free number 1-800-298-8255. Call us and let's talk some
fish; or E-mail me your address and I will return mail  2 free bumper
stickers that say I FISH & I VOTE for your car-boat-rod case or tackle box.
We will inform you of the nearest radio station to you.  
Tight Lines,  
The Fishin' Zone- Steve Sloan 
-- 
 
Stephen Sloan


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From: danders3@waun.tdsnet.com (Dale Anderson)
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fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com(Stephen Sloan) wrote:

>I challange any one from PETA  or SPCA to appear on my radio 
>program to discuss their "pain" point of view. You can reach the show as
>follows: 
>Hi: Listen to our radio show,The Fishin' Zone, that broadcasts every
>Saturday morning from 6-7 am. Eastern time on 72 stations to over 600
>cities in the US. 
>We have a "troll" free number 1-800-298-8255. Call us and let's talk some
>fish; or E-mail me your address and I will return mail  2 free bumper
>stickers that say I FISH & I VOTE for your car-boat-rod case or tackle box.
>We will inform you of the nearest radio station to you.  
>Tight Lines,  
>The Fishin' Zone- Steve Sloan 
>-- 
> 
>Stephen Sloan

 I'd recommend a direct invitation to the "gentlemen." :^>


Dale Anderson 
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From mebooker@atnet.net Thu May 23 14:09:23 EDT 1996
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RE:  Plan A Fishing Trip! Catch Fish! Save Salmon! Make Money! Have A Blast!!  

May 11, 1996

Dear Adventurers:

The Fish of Opportunity has a bounty.  The Northern Squawfish is the target.  The troublesome 
Northern Squawfish can eat up to 15 salmon smolts per day. 

Bonneville Power Administration will pay a bounty for your catch.  Also they will give you tips 
on how to catch more Northern Squawfish.  Sign-up and join in the fun.  Call 1-800-858-9015 
reel in the dollars starting April 29, 1996.  

We are already late!  Visit the Pacific Northwest for fun and profit!

s/Mark, from the land of the Mighty Columbia!! 

PS: How could things get better?!




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test




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RE:  Plan A Fishing Trip! Catch Fish! Save Salmon! Make Money! Have A Blast!!

May 11, 1996

Dear Adventurers:

The Fish of Opportunity has a bounty.  The Northern Squawfish is the target.  The troublesome
Northern Squawfish can eat up to 15 salmon smolts per day.

Bonneville Power Administration will pay a bounty for your catch.  Also they will give you tips
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reel in the dollars starting April 29, 1996.

We are already late!  Visit the Pacific Northwest for fun and profit!

s/Mark, from the land of the Mighty Columbia!!

PS: How could things get better?!







From Sietemar@ix.netcom.com Thu May 23 14:09:23 EDT 1996
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Hi, does anyone know where I can get 55% protein content fishmeal powder 
for Lobster production and regualar fishmeal.

Thanks,
Jamie Addleman


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Hi, does someone know where I can find 55% protein food in powder form 
for Lobster farming. 

Jamie Addleman
Sietemar@ix.netcom.com


From briz180@io.org Thu May 23 14:09:24 EDT 1996
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DuckHunt@x-press.net (DuckHunt) wrote:
>kfay@erols.com (Kevin Fay) wrote:
>
>>Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
>>trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Kevin Fay
>>
>
>No smallmouth bass have red eyes (unless injured badly).
>
>The fish you are probably referring to is a rock bass, which normally
>has a redish eye.
>DuckHunt
>

Easy now DuckHunt,

Yes, rock bass have red eyes, but catch enough Ontario smallmouth and you 
will see quite a few with distintivly red pigments in their eyes as well. 
I doubt very much that these fish are unique to our province.

Brian Lambie,
Mississauga, Ontario 



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Post available - Programme Co-ordinator: Marine Biology (Lecturer-level 
post)

The Departments of  Botany and Zoology have been awarded an 
Institutional grant from the FRD  to set up a post-graduate programme in 
marine biology at the University of the Western Cape. The objective of 
this programme is educate and train students from historically 
disadvantaged communities for eventual deployment in the market place.
This programme will draw on expertise currently within the University 
but will in addition require input from personnel at surrounding 
institutions.

The responsibilities of the incumbent will therefore be to initiate and 
formalise contacts with other institutions having expertise in marine 
biology. She/he will set up and design the detailed structure of the 
programme in collaboration with staff from the departments concerned, 
and will thereafter administer the day to day running of the programme. 
Aside from conducting his/her own research, a certain amount of 
postgraduate teaching and project supervision may be required. Active 
involvement in community work would be encouraged.

The successful applicant will have a higher degree in a biological 
science with research experience in marine biology.  A broad knowledge 
of, and interest in, marine science in South Africa is desirable. Good 
interpersonal and communication skills are essential, as is an ability 
to "network" efficiently. Experience in neither teaching nor student 
supervision is required, but a good record of publication would be a 
recommendation. 

This is a fixed appointment, contract post.

Interested applicants are urged to send a letter of motivation and a 
copy of their CV to Professor D. Keats at the Botany Department, 
University of the Western Cape, Private Bag X17, Bellville 7535 by no 
later than 14 June 1996. Electronic submissions can be made to 
DEREK@BOTANY.UWC.AC.ZA or via Fax: 021-9592266.




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From mcgang@cyberport.net Thu May 23 14:09:25 EDT 1996
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Craig, you believe fishing for food is OK and C&R is immoral and is 
torture. I disagree, if anything it's the reverse.



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Don't laugh too loudly about the possibility of fishing sabotage.  Those of us who have seen it -- and hunt sabotage -- in the UK know just how disruptive it can be.  We would welcome news of your experiences.  Also, any 'dirt' on PETA.

Janet G 


From robert.hatcher@citicorp.com Thu May 23 14:09:25 EDT 1996
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From: Rob Hatcher <robert.hatcher@citicorp.com>
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Anonymous wrote:
> 
> ==========Kevin Fay, 5/8/96==========
> 
> Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
> trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kevin Fay
> 
> They are not smallmouth. We call them "Red-eyes" or "Rock Bass.

Hmm, the smallie I caught yesterday had red around its eyes, but I have caught 
them in the past that didn't.  Breeding phase?  Specific sex?  Don't know, 
but the fish I caught was a smallmouth, and it had red eyes.  (Maybe it was
just up late...)

-- 
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	      Rob Hatcher	         robert.hatcher@citicorp.com

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From walleye@agora.rdrop.com Thu May 23 14:09:26 EDT 1996
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From: walleye@agora.rdrop.com (Kurt Hertz)
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Nigel,
	Some of us did understand what you were trying to say despite
the long sentences :)  However, I missed the rationale for the 
nationalistic characterizations (too many syllables? :)
I believe poor taste crosses many borders.  Ever eaten pub food?


			Peace.

				Kurt
				walleye@agora.rdrop.com

In article <4mv5l0$50l@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, cs_s452@kingston.ac.uk (Nigel Ling) writes:
|> Jeff Houston (jhouston@i-america.net) wrote:
|> : Nigel Ling wrote:
|> : > 
|> : > That's correct, and there is much anecdotal evidence to suggest that
|> : > the experience of pain in fish is very different to that of humans.
|> : > There is also another argument concerning the cerebal cortex of a
|> : > fish, which obviously is not as well developed as in humans. These
|> : > sort of factors have to be taken into account when making comparisons
|> : > of different species.
|> : > 
|> : > The view on fish pain amongst experimental psychologists is mixed. However,
|> : > what they all seem to agree on is that it is not possible to determine
|> : > whether fish feel pain in the emotional sense that we understand. It is a
|> : > pity that those who are determined to impose their morality on everyone
|> : > else cannot at least try and see the other point of view.
|> 
|> : > NigelIt dont really matter whether they feel any pain or not, a fish is a 
|> : lower form of life and as such are subject to be eaten by a higher form 
|> : of life. Such as other fish, ducks, Beaver, Bear, and the list goes on 
|> : and on. Oh, I almost forgot HUMANS. Of course being an environmental 
|> : wacko I bet you didnt realize that did you?
|> 
|> Good God, what is about you American fishing fellows? Can one not defend
|> fishing without someone responding with a gratuitous and misdirected insult?
|> Perhaps my sentences were too long for you and obscured the meaning. But I can
|> assure you I am on the side of fishermen (because I am one). And I do think
|> it's a good idea to counter attacks on fishing with intelligent argument, though
|> I appreciate this may be difficult for you.
|> 
|> Well, I'm not interested in a flame war with a shoot-from-the-hip, 
|> hang-em-high American, so you can happily fire off a few more good ol'
|> American insults without response. How about: Bleeding heart liberal, 
|> nut-chewing weirdo, asshole, and so on. Asshole's a good one: I imagine
|> you know that quite well.
|> 
|> Nigel
|> 

-- 
		Kurt
		kurth@mentorg.com
		(503)685-1925
Kurt Hertz


From matilda@mint.net Thu May 23 14:09:26 EDT 1996
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Please send me any information about the sea urchin industry in Maine or
any where else. I need it for a biology class with a very mean teacher. 
   Please Reply QUICKLY
   Thank You


From yap2@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:26 EDT 1996
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Could anybody please help me how to "make" seawater from tap water. I know
the concentrations of the different minerals in seawater in units of parts
per thousand (the info is in  Encarta) but I need to know which raw
materials to use and in what concentration, ie. mg of mineral per
deciliter of water.

Please email response to otaner@aol.com


From vassilis.zervakis@ainco.es Thu May 23 14:09:26 EDT 1996
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In Article<4n8obu$fcb@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, <yap2@aol.com> write:
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> From: yap2@aol.com (Yap2)
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> Subject: seawater
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> Could anybody please help me how to "make" seawater from tap water. I know
> the concentrations of the different minerals in seawater in units of parts
> per thousand (the info is in  Encarta) but I need to know which raw
> materials to use and in what concentration, ie. mg of mineral per
> deciliter of water.
> 
> Please email response to otaner@aol.com

I would suggest you post a question in sci.geo.oceanography, asking
where you can find 'Copenhagen water'.  It is the standard of seawater
used in calibration of conductivity sensors for oceanographic instruments.
Probably too expensive, so why not gather some sea salt?

Vassilis



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From: sowc@mail.ianet.net (Todd Williams)
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>kfay@erols.com (Kevin Fay) writes:
>> Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
>> trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Kevin Fay
>> 

Well Kevin, I have just pulled my smallmouth book entitled "Smallmouth
Bass" off the 'ole bookshelf.  This book is excellent, as are all of
the fishing and hunting series by Cy Decosse Inc..  This 200 page book
tells what I think may be everything there is to know about
smallmouth!  From the descriptions I read and the pictures, and the
fishing I have done.  I think smallmouths may have somewhat of a red
circle in their eyes, but not the red eyes like the eyes of the "red
eye" bass or "rock bass" as it is called.  Hope this helps settle your
little fued!


Todd

A bad day of fishing is better than the best day at work!!



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In <4n8obu$fcb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> yap2@aol.com (Yap2) writes: 
>
>Could anybody please help me how to "make" seawater from tap water. I
know
>the concentrations of the different minerals in seawater in units of
parts
>per thousand (the info is in  Encarta) but I need to know which raw
>materials to use and in what concentration, ie. mg of mineral per
>deciliter of water.
>
>Please email response to otaner@aol.com


I imagine your best bet would be to go to a fish store and purchase
some "Instant Ocean" or equivalent.  That will get you as close to
seawater as you can get short of a trip offshore.  This is a commonly
sold item for saltwater fish hobbiests.  Hope this helps,

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html


From flip214@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:27 EDT 1996
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For someone (craig) to say a fish is caused pain by a hook in their mouth
sounds a little crazy to me.  Unless some of these fish are filleting or
baking their meals, some of the things they are eating are every bit as
sharp and more damaging than a single fish hook.  Have you ever seen the
fins on some groupers or mackrels?  I'd take a hook in the mouth before
trying to swallow one of those guys any time.  Craig and others like him
are notorious for crediting fish with human feelings and sensations.  The
fact is they are very different.  Its wrong to do so.  Just as people once
realized that their pet rocks were not really alive, people may realize
that fish are not really humans.  Torture is a term applied by humans, not
fish.  Has a released fish been mentally tramatized by the experience? 
No.  If the fish lives as most of them do, it behaves the same way it did
before.  All a fish does is swim kill, eat, and spawn.  They don't go home
to a computer and write about other fishes.  They're a lot less complex
than you make them.  Quit toturing these poor animals by giving them all
of these complex emotions.  If you wan't to direct your efforts to more
worth while causes like racisim and ethnic killing, I'll promise to be
your biggest supporter but quit wasting so much effort over a fish.
Greg


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cs_s452@kingston.ac.uk (Nigel Ling) wrote:
>Jeff Houston (jhouston@i-america.net) wrote:
>: Nigel Ling wrote:
>: > 

{snippage of a relatively sane post with one flame at the the end)


>
>Good God, what is about you American fishing fellows? Can one not defend
>fishing without someone responding with a gratuitous and misdirected insult?
>Perhaps my sentences were too long for you and obscured the meaning. But I can
>assure you I am on the side of fishermen (because I am one). And I do think
>it's a good idea to counter attacks on fishing with intelligent argument, though
>I appreciate this may be difficult for you.
>
>Well, I'm not interested in a flame war with a.....{ignorant stereotypes deleted)   That's funny Nigel....either your sense of iron=
y is overblown, you're deliberately trolling for flames, or your understanding of basic social skills could use some drastic improve=
ment.  Life is too short to waste on steroetypes, even in response to provocation.  

Oh yes, and just in case you were thinking of stabbing at me in the same way that you responded to Jeff Houston - I'm not one of tho=
se Yanks you seem to loathe so, even though I live here now. 
>
>Nigel

-Blindeye





From lsmeins@ball.com Thu May 23 14:09:28 EDT 1996
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From: Larry Smeins <lsmeins@ball.com>
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I have been using an aba bacteria treatment for algae control in trout 
ponds on a spring fed creek.  I understand there are mixed reports on the 
effectiveness of aba for algae control and am interested in any 
information I can receive on the subject.  

Thanks in advance.

Larry



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From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)
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Subject: Re: seawater
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Yap2 wrote on 13 May 1996 21:41:18 -0400:
: Could anybody please help me how to "make" seawater from tap water. I know
: the concentrations of the different minerals in seawater in units of parts
: per thousand (the info is in  Encarta) but I need to know which raw
: materials to use and in what concentration, ie. mg of mineral per
: deciliter of water.

: Please email response to otaner@aol.com

The simplest thing to do is to realise that 1 liter of water weighs 1
kilogram (1000 grams).  If a solute in seawater is 4 parts per thousand, 4
grams of solute in 996 grams (ml) of water prepares the correct
concentration.  The resultant solution will weigh 1000 grams of which 4
grams will be solute (4 parts per thousand).

--
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From dwise@infinet.com Thu May 23 14:09:28 EDT 1996
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From: dwise@infinet.com (Don Wise)
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On Sun, 5 May 1996 23:29:42 GMT, MICHAEL BUTLER <mbutler@TRENTU.CA>
wrote:

>
>
>In the past months, I've seen much debate on the effectiveness of catch 
>and release and the potential harm of live-release tournaments.  A growing 
>body of literature has revealed that these are complex issues.  I have 
>summarized a number of studies which indicate that mortality rates of 
>fresh water fish released by anglers range from 0.0% to 33.0%.  While 
>the studies cited below represent only a fraction of the research 
>done in this area, several trends are evident:
>
>* mortality is greater for fish caught on live bait (with single hooks) 
>than for those caught on artificial baits with one or more treble hooks;

Gee, I catch Bluegill (and many other types of fish) and throw them in
a bait tank, and only about 1 in 100 die. Surely my bait tank can't be
as good an ecosystem as a natural body of water, so the survival rate
in it should be less than when they are released.

And by the way. I did not see any mortality rates for Catfish. Did you
know that 100% of all Catfish taken on trotlines either die on the
trotline, or die because the guy running the trotline eats them.

What's the REAL issue with catch and release - That fact that fish are
being killed, or the fact that the kind of fish that you fish for are
being killed? If it's the former, then why is the REAL slaughter of
fish by trotline being overlooked?

Don Wise



From sierra1@clark.net Thu May 23 14:09:29 EDT 1996
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Well, I think mortality rates for catch-and-release are irrelevant.
The bottom line in any analysis is that the fish stand a better chance
back in the river than in a frying pan!

Even if only 50% of all returned fish survive, that means there will
be 50% more fish in the water.  

The only real alternative is to stop fishing entirely, if we're that
concerned.

For myself, I practice catch-and-release-without-touching.
I use barbless flies, and barely take the fish out of the water.  I
don't hold them at all unless I have to, and just flick the hook out
of their mouths.

Speaking of catch-and-release, why the hell are those idiotic 3-foot
deep "traditional" nets still used so often?  If you've ever seen a
fish in the bottom of one of those, you've seen a fish tortured.
They ought to be outlawed and the shallow, catch-and-release-style
nets mandated.

Scott Wilkinson
Montgomery County, Maryland



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In article <4mkvob$d5q@ns2.borg.com>, Robert Bender <robb29@mail.borg.com>
wrote:

> I bet the dink eats beef & pork too. Maybe this person should go see them 
> butcher pigs that is cruel, but also I do not do it so the ham tastes 
> just fine to me.

This raises an interesting point. I think *more* people should have to
kill their own food on occasion. It would make a lot of the meat-eating
anti-fishing&hunting crowd think twice before they condemn us.

It would also teach people some respect for where there food comes from
and teach them a little about real life.

Slightly off topic, but I am reminded of a radio bit I heard last Thanksgiving.
I was riding in a cab to O'Hare in Chicago. Some Howard Stern imitator
was replaying a segment where his studio assistant went to a turkey farm and
was supposed to kill a turkey. The young lady went hysterical, refused to do it,
then was nearly physically ill when someone else did it for her.

I remember thinking--her grandma, who understood something of the relationship
between the land, the plants, and the animals (including us), and who probably
lived through the depression, would probably have happily killed turkeys all day
just to take a few home.

But the young lady, raised on a diet of shrink-wrapped ground beef and Walt
Disney movies, now believes the taking of animal life to be evil, and not
just a part of nature. We have raised an entire generation in which the majority
of people think like this young lady.

Folks, there is no point in arguing over the 'pain' fish feel, when our rabid
consumption of water tables and gross pollution of what's left is ruining
not just sport fishing in some areas, but ruining ecological systems.

So if you really want to make a differnce, fight pollution, and not fishing.
Understand and accept where you fit into the food chain. Catching and
eating a fish is no more morally repugnant than picking blackberries. Of
course I catch and release, but not by choice, I release when the good of
the fishery requires it, and usually that's the case when the fishery has
been damaged by something
other than sport fishing.

Brian
"Who can't eat fish from the nearby Ohio river due to toxic dioxin levels, even
though the river is cleaner that it's been his whole life"
"Who thinks ham tastes best when you raised, slaughtered, butchered, and
smoked it yourself"
Costlow


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sierra1@clark.net wrote:
> <snip>
> Speaking of catch-and-release, why the hell are those idiotic 3-foot
> deep "traditional" nets still used so often?  If you've ever seen a
> fish in the bottom of one of those, you've seen a fish tortured.
> They ought to be outlawed and the shallow, catch-and-release-style
> nets mandated.
> 

Oh come on, it's not the nets fault it's the jerk with the net in their hands.  If you try to net 
a fish that is still too "green", and then hoist it into the bottom of the boat (or shore) then 
yes the fish will thrash and roll up, which isn't a good thing.  If the fish is played properly 
and is sufficiently tired when netted, then left in the water, you can get the hook out 
then lift and release them without any more damage than any other net.

Vince


From toro@wasser.bauingenieure.uni-kassel.de Thu May 23 14:09:30 EDT 1996
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In article <4mrrjk$anb@news.atnet.net>, mebooker@atnet.net says...

>
>RIVER SPILL PRODUCES FISH SUFFERING FROM GAS BUBBLE TRAUMA

snip

>The turbine closure, along with already high water levels in the 
river, 
meant excess water
>had to be spilled over the dam. Dissolved gas levels rose above 130 
percent, 20 percent
>higher than state and federal environmental protection standards and 
10 
percent higher than a
>recent waiver granted to the National Marine Fisheries Service to 
purposely 
conduct spills at
>the Columbia and Snake river dams.


Hi Mark,

I do not understand how it could come, that the dissolved gas level 
rises 
above 100 percent. The spilled water has excessive contact with air so 
that 
an excellent gas-transfer occurs. But the gas exchange is always into 
the 
direction of less concentration. Meaning if you use air as gas the 
concentration moves to state. That means if the concentration of the 
dissolved gas in the water is below 100 percent (state condition) the 
gas 
>from  the air goes into the water. On the other hand, if the 
concentration in 
the water is higher than state the gas evaporates into air.
 In my opinion it could never happen, that the dissolved gas level 
rises 
above 100 percent due to airation. Maybe the high concentration is 
caused by 
high photosynthesis of algae etc.

But another point. I am very interested in these "federal environmental 
protection standards". Could you please send me a e-mail how I could 
get 
these standards and the waiver you are talking about.

Thank´s in advance

Thomas

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> sierra1@clark.net wrote:
> > <snip>
> > Speaking of catch-and-release, why the hell are those idiotic 3-foot
> > deep "traditional" nets still used so often?  If you've ever seen a
> > fish in the bottom of one of those, you've seen a fish tortured.
> > They ought to be outlawed and the shallow, catch-and-release-style
> > nets mandated.
> >

The type of net is the least of the fish's worries.

If you wanna catch and release from a drift boat in swift water you
better have an idiot net and not one of those dinky little jobs....

TimW


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From: yap2@aol.com (Yap2)
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Subject: Fish Pain
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I am new to this newsgroup and I was really surprised at how pain in fish
could arouse so much intense discussion. And like all issues there will
always be two sides to it. I love fish and meat and I don't really care
much if they felt pain before they reached my table. For those who don't
eat fish or meat, maybe we should discuss pain in plants. Plants do have a
sense of touch. There are plant varieties that open or close their leaves
in response to touch. But do the non-fish-eaters care whether their potato
felt pain while they gobble their  french fries? But then again there are
more important issues we should discuss. I am reminded by a car I saw in
Jersey. The front bumper sticker read "Stop Hook Fishing - You're Hurting
the Fish" and the rear  bumper sticker read  "Legalize Abortion Now" . Oh,
well ...


From linton@acs.ucalgary.ca Thu May 23 14:09:30 EDT 1996
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From: linton@acs.ucalgary.ca (Dr. L. R. Linton)
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Subject: Preparing Statistics Exams
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Many of us spend considerable time and
effort preparing statistics exams and
problem sets for our quatitative biology
courses.  I have a proposal that might
make this odious task easier.  I will not
take up space here, but suggest you take
a look a look at the WWW page:

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~linton/question.html

See you there.

Larry Linton



From itc@i-link.net Thu May 23 14:09:31 EDT 1996
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CALL FOR PAPERS

Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium
October  4,5,6, 1996
Dallas, Texas USA

This conference/symposium is hosted by the Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research. IAWSR is a not for profit membership association dedicated to the promotion of advanced water science and the free exchange of ideas that contribute to the advancement of water science. The Institute provides a forum for members and contributing individuals to express their ideas in water related subjects in hard science, interdisciplinary studies and exploratory areas. Members also receive access to information and resources on water science.
______________________________________________________________________________

Papers dealing with, but not limited to, the following topics are solicited for presentation on October 5th and 6th in Dallas, Texas.

Hard Science:
       	hydrodynamics,
	water purification technology,
	electrolysis,
	bond angle relationships and energy states,
	environmental  issues,
	photo chemistry
	ionics, ORP, chemistry.
	oxidative states in water,
Interdisciplinary:
	vortex mechanics,
	magnetic resonance in water,
	radio frequency effects on water,
	energy systems utilizing water dynamics or structure,
	energization states in water,
	magnetic field effects on water dynamics and structure,
        homeopathic effects in relationship to energized water,
     	structured water,
        liquid crystal states,
        advanced techniques in ozonation,
	colloidal  chemistry
Exploratory:
	subtle energy effects in water,
        consciousness and water,
 	energization and transformation in the water molecule,
        effects of harmonic geometries on water,
       	biological effects of energized and structured water,            
        memory in water states,
   	scalar wave effects on water.    	

Please submit your final paper or 2 or 4 page extended abstract by June  30, 1996 to the contact person listed below. Questions and comments welcome.

Contact person: 	Karl Kortemeyer
               		P.O. Box 1295
                        Dallas, Texas 75355-1295
               		214/249-2001 FAX 214/340-7020
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From vogel@gcmd.gsfc.nasa.gov Thu May 23 14:09:31 EDT 1996
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>>> Thomas Roesch writes:
In article <4ncv79$ip5@hrz-ws11.hrz.uni-kassel.de> toro@wasser.bauingenieure.uni-kassel.de (Thomas Roesch) writes:


  Thomas> In article <4mrrjk$anb@news.atnet.net>, mebooker@atnet.net
  Thomas> says...
  >>  RIVER SPILL PRODUCES FISH SUFFERING FROM GAS BUBBLE TRAUMA

  >> The turbine closure, along with already high water levels in the
  Thomas> river, meant excess water
  >> had to be spilled over the dam. Dissolved gas levels rose above
  >> 130
  Thomas> percent, 20 percent
  >> higher than state and federal environmental protection standards
  >> and
  Thomas> 10 percent higher than a
  >> recent waiver granted to the National Marine Fisheries Service...


  Thomas> I do not understand how it could come, that the dissolved
  Thomas> gas level rises above 100 percent. The spilled water has
  Thomas> excessive contact with air so that an excellent gas-transfer
  Thomas> occurs. But the gas exchange is always into the direction of
  Thomas> less concentration....

It DOES seem strange to have saturation higher than 100%, doesn't it?
But it's true. The reason is that the water coming over the spillway
plunges into the tailrace below - at the dams in question, the
hydraulic head is typically around 30m - which entrains air bubbles in
the water, so for a time, more air is dissolved in the water than it
can ordinarily hold. It is true that this gas then dissipates
(outgasses), so that as the water moves downstream, the gas
concentration drops, but this turns out to be a not very rapid
process, so that tailwater concentrations of 130% decline at the next
dam to only about 120% (inter-dam distance is typically about
60-70km).

Unfortunately, the same gas concentrations are thus induced in the
blood of the fish swimming in the river, and as the nitrogen outgasses
>from  the blood, it produces tiny bubbles - this is exactly the same
process that produces trauma in decompression sickness ("the bends")
in SCUBA divers - which can lead to poor fish condition, trauma, and
death of the fish. The larger the fish, the worse the problem usually
is, but at the same time, relative gas concentration decreases with
increasing pressure, so fish that swim deep in the water column are
less vulnerable to gas bubble disease.

It has long been felt that deleterious effects begin to be seen when
gas levels rise above 110% (this is, I believe, the U.S. EPA
standard), although state standards here in the Pacific northwest are
somewhat more relaxed, allowing levels of up to 120%. 

Here are some useful Web resources on the subject:

http://www.newsdata.com/enernet/fishnet/fishletter/fishletter.html
NW Fishletter - this contains reasonably up-to-date information on
matters relating to Northwest salmon; the lead stories this year have
been about gas saturation.

http://www.teleport.com/~fpc/
The Fish Passage Center - this page provides information on fish
counts, transportation operations, and monitoring for gas bubble
disease, among other things.

http://www.cqs.washington.edu/dart/dart.html
The DART Page - Data Access in Real Time (DART) - this page is
maintained by my project, so I'm perhaps not unbiased about it, but it
provides a whole bunch of different kinds of data, up to date,
accessible in either tabular or graphical formats. Included are adult
counts, coded wire tag data, PIT tag data, and various river
environment parameters. My machine slows to a crawl when this gets
heavy use, but I don't care! Take a look!

Hope this helps,

Josh Hayes, Columbia Basin Research
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     Josh Hayes	      josh@cqs.washington.edu	    PDGA #9665
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From bchan@primenet.com Thu May 23 14:09:32 EDT 1996
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From: Bryant Chan <bchan@primenet.com>
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Subject: Latin name of canadian sea bass...
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Is there such a fish?  Canadian sea bass, that is....
 
If so, what is the Latin name? 
 
Thanks in advance, email replies preferred--

Bryant
bchan@primenet.com



From monika.hoenlinger@univie.ac.at Thu May 23 14:09:32 EDT 1996
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Did the "marine biology" newsgroup ever gett off thhe ground. I seem to have lost track of it. 
after moving to a new server. Similar for "aquaculture"



From golden@ilhawaii.net Thu May 23 14:09:32 EDT 1996
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From: golden@ilhawaii.net (Charles B. Moore)
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I agree w/ your evaluation of the bumper stickers ...that person is really messed up :(

					-Charles


From zenont@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:33 EDT 1996
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From: zenont@aol.com (ZenonT)
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  I am an importer of seafood and want to know if anyone can help me.  I
need to know if anyone knows the "recipe" for a dry ice, alcohol "slush" 
that I can dip fish in to instantly freeze them.  I just want to know the
ratio of dry ice to alcohol and the type of alcohol to use.  This is a
common process of freezing meat for export without damaging the quality.
Please e-mail me directly if you can help or point me in a better
direction.
zenont@aol.com

"DOH!!!!"--Homer J. Simpson


From mgray@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Thu May 23 14:09:33 EDT 1996
Article: 1912 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Guys, I think I may have the answer to your dillemma.  First, I would 
like to point out that The International Gamefish Association Species 
Identification Guide (1995 edition, page 338) indicates that Smallmouth 
bass have "red or orangish eyes."  Secondly, It has been my experience 
that about 95% of the smallmouths I catch have bright red eyes.  By this I 
mean eyes as red as those of a rock bass (which shares the same waters).  I 
can't speak for all bass across the country, but this is the situation in 
western Virginia.  I spend a lot of time on the James, maury and New 
rivers, as well as Lake moomaw, and have caught and released thousands of 
smallmouths, so I would say that my experience is probably a reliable 
indication of the characteristics of a fair cross-section of the 
smallmouths in this part of the country.

On Tue, 14 May 1996, Todd Williams wrote:

> 
> >kfay@erols.com (Kevin Fay) writes:
> >> Do all smallmouth bass have red eyes, hence the term redeye? We are
> >> trying to settle a dispute. Thanks in advance for any help.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> Kevin Fay
> >> 
> 
> Well Kevin, I have just pulled my smallmouth book entitled "Smallmouth
> Bass" off the 'ole bookshelf.  This book is excellent, as are all of
> the fishing and hunting series by Cy Decosse Inc..  This 200 page book
> tells what I think may be everything there is to know about
> smallmouth!  From the descriptions I read and the pictures, and the
> fishing I have done.  I think smallmouths may have somewhat of a red
> circle in their eyes, but not the red eyes like the eyes of the "red
> eye" bass or "rock bass" as it is called.  Hope this helps settle your
> little fued!
> 
> 
> Todd
> 
> A bad day of fishing is better than the best day at work!!
> 
> 
> 


From mebooker@atnet.net Thu May 23 14:09:33 EDT 1996
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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
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Dear Mr. Tim Fisher: 

The Tri-City Herald reported large numbers of dead smolts in the Snake River resulting from 
excessive spill's gas problems.  This backs scientific studies!  

Spring migration of juvenile salmon has again brought a call for massive spill at 
hydro-projects on the Columbia and Snake Rivers.  The spill proposal from the National Marine 
Fisheries Service comes despite recent scientific evidence documenting the benefits of 
transportation and confirming the mortality caused by similar, excessive spill during the past 
two springs.

The studies of the 1994 and 1995 spill measures were conducted by Dr. James Anderson of the 
University of Washington School of Fisheries, using the leading computer model of juvenile 
salmon survival, and by S.P. Cramer and Associates, using actual survival data.  Those studies 
concluded that the Spring 1995 spill elevated total dissolved gas in the river to lethal levels 
and increased downstream salmon migrants mortality by nearly 40 percent.  

Spilling smolts is a terrible thing to do to smolts.  They just are not tough enough!  Anyone 
who advocates river management that kills fish should be held responsible.

The 1995 spill program cost the public $72 million.  The 1996 program is expected to cost $60 
million.

Federal and State guided salmon recovery is out of control!  

Sincerely, 
Mark




From phillips@netnet.net Thu May 23 14:09:34 EDT 1996
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From: phillips@netnet.net (Mark Phillips)
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Would you look at what <.,@compuserve.com> babbled about:


>Don't laugh too loudly about the possibility of fishing sabotage.  Those of us who have seen it -- and hunt sabotage -- in the UK know just how disruptive it can be.  We would welcome news of your experiences.  Also, any 'dirt' on PETA.

I have on efor you....know what PETA actually standsa for?

People
Eat
Tasty
Animals




From toro@wasser.bauingenieure.uni-kassel.de Thu May 23 14:09:34 EDT 1996
Article: 1915 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: toro@wasser.bauingenieure.uni-kassel.de (Thomas Roesch)
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In article <JOSH.96May16093946@pogo.cqs.washington.edu>, 
josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu» says...
>
>>>> Thomas Roesch writes:

snip

>It DOES seem strange to have saturation higher than 100%, doesn't it?
>But it's true. The reason is that the water coming over the spillway
>plunges into the tailrace below - at the dams in question, the
>hydraulic head is typically around 30m - which entrains air bubbles in
>the water, so for a time, more air is dissolved in the water than it
>can ordinarily hold. It is true that this gas then dissipates
>(outgasses), so that as the water moves downstream, the gas
>concentration drops, but this turns out to be a not very rapid
>process, so that tailwater concentrations of 130% decline at the next
>dam to only about 120% (inter-dam distance is typically about
>60-70km).

Dear Josh,

thanks a lot for answering my questions. But I still have another one. Do 
you have any physikal explanation for this phenomenon. Is it due to the 
higher pressure in the tailrace or is it because of the high speed of the 
water on the spillway? Or is there anything else to explain this thing?

Thanks a lot in advance
Thomas Roesch

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From lil@ns.statkraft.no Thu May 23 14:09:34 EDT 1996
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From: lil@ns.statkraft.no (Leif Lillehammer)
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Subject: DNIEPR
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Has anybody done any fish biology studies in the DNIEPR river in Ukraina.

Please contact

Thank you in advance 

Leif Lillehammer

________________________
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Statkraft engineering as	Pho: +47 67577361
Pb. 191, 1322 Høvik, Norway	Fax: +47 67577011  



From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Thu May 23 14:09:35 EDT 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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"Freshwater Fishes of Canada" (Scott & Crossman, 1973) Fisheries 
Research Board of Canada.

Smallmouth bass (Micropterus dolomieui) "eye usually red or orange"

My experience filming spawning over the last three years, the males' red 
eye very obvious during nest building, spawning and guarding. The 
females' eyes are much less obvious if at all at this time.




From landinm@ex1.wes.army.mil Thu May 23 14:09:35 EDT 1996
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In response to the query about the Marine Biology newsgroup, I haven't 
seen one, but suggest you try COASTNET, a very informative group at 
Listserv (coastnet@uriacc.uri.edu)



From info@c3.org Thu May 23 14:09:35 EDT 1996
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I'd like to let the group know that the Chlorine Chemistry Council now
has a web site at http://c3.org

Providing timely and accurate information on the science of chlorine
chemistry, it is now the autoritative on-line resource about chlorine
and its role in products and processes that enhance our quality of
life and improve our standard of living.

The site features a searchable database of documents, information on
the chlorine industry's contribution to our economy, curriculum
resources, and a discussion of current public policy issues
surrounding chlorine. Check it out at http://c3.org


From josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu Thu May 23 14:09:36 EDT 1996
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From: josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)
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In-reply-to: Mark Booker's message of 19 May 1996 04:27:27 GMT

Now, wait a minute.

Cramer's analysis is of dubious value; I refer the interested reader
to the NMFS analysis of Cramer's analysis (hey, does that make it a
meta-analysis?):

http://www.newsdata.com/enernet/fishnet/fishletter/documents/fl7doc7b.html

Note that Cramer concluded that decreasing survivals late in the
season were due to comparatively high dissolved gas levels, but his
analysis is unable to separate the effects of decreasing flow and
increasing temperature, both of with co-occurred with these gas
levels, and both of which are expected to reduce smolt survival.

I'll be the first to admit that wholesale spill programs are overly
simplistic: to say that the dams are responsible for salmon stock
declines lets too many other factors off the hook. But it is equally
irresponsible to blame spill programs for the entire decline. I agree
with Tim on this one: attention should be focused on inriver survival
of downstream migrants, but it's likely that mortality in that phase
of the life cycle is of little importance compared to losses in the
ocean and, especially, on and near the spawning grounds.

Josh Hayes, CRiSP Project
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From magnetrol@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:36 EDT 1996
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Subject: Mudskipper (periophtalmus)
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Hi World,

I'm surching for any information about Mudskipper in magazines and online,
because I own 4 mudskippers and the informations from lexica are to small.

If you have any resource, please be so kind and send me details.

Many Thanks for your help.

Boris Warnke

boris.warnke@magnetrol.de


From bgiff@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:36 EDT 1996
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National Fisherman magazine did an article about it a few months ago. You
might try them (they're in Portland, Me.)

Bill Gifford


From bgiff@aol.com Thu May 23 14:09:37 EDT 1996
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Subject: Bristol Bay Salmon
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Anyone know when Bristol Bay salmon season starts this year? 


From amacnow@igc.apc.org Tue Jun 18 10:08:15 EDT 1996
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From: Alan Macnow <amacnow@igc.apc.org>
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        FROM: Alan Macnow
              Consultant, Japan Whaling Association

        Following are the positions and objectives of the Government of
        Japan at the upcoming International Whaling Commission meeting:

                        Japan and the 48th IWC Annual Meeting

        I. OUR BASIC POSITIONS ON WHALING:

        THE PRINCIPLE OF SUSTAINABLE USE based on the best available
        scientific evidence has no exceptions from its application.
        Whaling is not an extraordinary activity but is one applicable
        area in the conservation and rational utilization of wildlife or
        fishery resources.

        SCIENTIFIC FACTS, rather than political and emotional factors,
        are the basis of any conservation and management measures for
        natural resources.

        LEGAL INTEGRITY of the IWC must be maintained through the judi-
        cious efforts of the responsible contracting nations. In the
        past, the IWC has adopted several decision which contravene the
        purpose and objectives of the ICRW (the International Convention
        for the Regulation of Whaling), notably its stated purpose as "a
        convention to provide proper conservation of whale stocks and
        thus make possible the orderly development of the whaling indus-
        try."

        FOOD SECURITY must be seriously considered. Particular attention
        should be drawn to the consensus agreement of 95 countries at
        the International Conference on the Sustainable Contribution of
        Fisheries to Food Security (Kyoto, Japan, December 1995). The
        agreed Declaration includes that the States should, without
        prejudice to the rights and obligations of States under interna-
        tional law:

             * Recognize that the FAO projects a substantial potential
             shortfall by 2010 of the supply of fish and fishery produc-
             ts to meet demands from an increased human population,
             which in turn will adversely affect world food security;

             * When and where appropriate, consider harvesting at multi-
             ple trophic levels in a manner consistent with sustainable
             development of these resources;

             * Study the effectiveness of multispecies management;

             * Call for an increase in the respect and understanding of
             social, economic, and cultural differences among States and
             regions in the use of living aquatic resources, especially
             cultural diversity in dietary habits, consistent with man-
             agement objectives.

        II. SPECIFIC TOPICS AT THE IWC MEETING, ABERDEEN, UK, 1996

        Japan seeks support and understanding on the following points;

        (1) CORRECTING LEGALLY QUESTIONABLE PROCEEDINGS OF THE IWC:

             a. THE DECADE OLD MORATORIUM on commercial whaling should
                 be reviewed, as the Schedule of the Convention so re-
                 quired it to be by 1990 at the latest.

             b. THE SOUTHERN OCEAN SANCTUARY should be abandoned. The
                 Sanctuary adopted in 1994 disregards Article V.2 (a),
                 (b) and (d) of the Convention, which require various
                 specific conditions for the promulgation of new IWC
                 regulations.

        (2) CORRECTING THE SCIENTIFIC NEGLIGENCE OF THE IWC:

             a.  NEW SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS, such as the population
                 estimates of 760,000 Southern Hemisphere minke whales,
                 should be fully applied in implementing management
                 measures. Currently, these data do not have any chance
                 to contribute to any decision of the IWC.

             b.  THE NEWLY DEVELOPED REVISED MANAGEMENT PROCEDURE for
                 whale resources should be implemented by the IWC, and
                 the effort of its Scientific Committee to finalize the
                 scientific aspects of the Procedure should be ack-
                 nowledged

             c.  SCIENTIFIC VALUE OF RESEARCH TAKE of minke whales
                 should be appreciated as the research has provided val-
                 uable data for its Scientific Committee. Scientific
                 catches of minke whales are legal and have proved to
                 have no adverse effect on the stock. Lethal research is
                 still a indispensable measure to improve the management
                 of whale stocks.

        (3) CORRECTING SOCIAL AND CULTURAL NEGLIGENCE OF THE IWC:

             a.  COMMUNITY BASED WHALING should be reopened. Currently,
                 for example, four coastal areas in Japan which have a
                 long history of whaling are facing major hardships re-
                 lated to socio-economic impacts caused by the IWC
                 Moratorium.

             b.  AN INTERIM QUOTA of minke whales should be allocated to
                 these communities to alleviate the hardships.

        (4) JAPAN CONTINUES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE IWC through various ac-
        tions, including:

             a.  PROVIDING SCIENTIFIC DATA by continuing cetacean re-
                 search programs. These include the IDCR sighting survey
                 in the Antarctic, blue whale research aimed at the
                 restoration of its stocks, and special permit research
                 programs involving the research take of minke whales.

             b.  SUPPORTING THE IWC FINANCIALLY by providing the largest
                 share of annual contributions among all of the con-
                 tracting nations.



From flyfisher@enter.net Tue Jun 18 10:08:15 EDT 1996
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From: flyfisher@enter.net (George R. Liros)
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I'm interested in the habits of bluefish.  From spawning, feeding to general 
behavior.  If anyone has any info on this subject, please e-mail me at: 
flyfisher@enter.net       

Thanks
George R. Liros



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From: 101661.574@compuserve.com (Keith Buscombe)
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*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * 
  Important Information for your Health
*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * 

Institute of Natural Law
Mentmore Towers, Mentmore, Buckinghamshire LU7 0QH  England
Tel: +44 (0)1296-662186    
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Fax: +44 (0)1296-662049 
Email: 101661.574@compuserve.com

      *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
CAMPAIGN TO BAN GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS
      *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *

Seminar
GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS - THE DANGERS MAHARISHI'S VEDIC
ENGINEERING - THE SOLUTIONS Monday, 3rd June 1996, 10am-12 noon
Institute of Directors, 116 Pall Mall, London, SW1

Topics for discussion

* What is genetically modified food?  * Why is it being produced?  *
What are the dangers?  * Why are governments and regulatory bodies
failing to protect the consumer?  * Why is a total ban on genetically
modified food absolutely vital for health and well-being?  * Why is it
essential that we act now?

In the past few years the transnational biotechnology industry has
genetically modified almost every species of plant and animal from
which we derive our food.  They are now moving quickly to introduce
these new and untested foods into the mainstream of our food supply.
Regulatory agencies in Britain and elsewhere are allowing this to
happen without adequate testing and without proper labelling.  This
presents unprecedented risks for the health and safety of the whole
population.  Already there are numerous instances of death and disease
caused by genetically modified foods, as well as extensive disruption
to the living environment and the entire ecosystem.

What the media said about John Fagan's stand against genetic
engineering

"GENETIC ENGINEERING BREEDS COSTLY PROTEST - In a move that has become
the talk of the scientific community, the 46-year-old molecular
biologist is returning nearly $614,000 in grant money from the
National Institutes of Health....  He is doing so to protest what he
sees as rampant and unwise tinkering with plants and animals and the
release of these novel organisms into the environment."   - The
Washington Post

"A SCIENTIST'S QUALMS - His reasons... tap into a lot of lay people's
as yet unfocused worries about the possibilities that biogenetic
experimentation could unleash."        - International Herald Tribune
(Editorial)

"CANCER RESEARCHER RETURNS GRANT -  Ever since researchers spliced
genes together from different organisms more than 20 years ago,
researchers and ethicist have worried about where genetic engineering
may lead.  But few have gone so far as molecular biologist John
Fagan."             - Science

COPY THE FOLOWING INFORMATION AND GIVE TO YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS:

Genetically Engineered Food - A Serious Health Hazard Now Available at
Your Supermarket!

Strange new artificial foods never envisaged by nature are already
appearing in your supermarket. The effects of these foods are as yet
incompletely known and some have already been devastating for health.
In one case in America 37 people died and 1500 were left disabled.
Other products had to be abandoned when they went disastrously wrong.
But you will not know what you are eating because the government has
decided that labelling of genetically modified foods is not necessary.
Your precious right to choose what you and your family eat has been
lost.
What is genetic engineering? Genes are the blueprints for every part
of an organism. Genetic modification is the process of artificially
transferring the information specific to one type of organism into
another; for example from a fish into a tomato, or from an animal into
a plant.

Why do it? Scientists want to transfer desirable qualities from one
organism to  another - for example resistance to a pesticide or to a
pest.

Is it necessary? Enough perfectly good food can be produced without
it. The motives for genetic modification are primarily commercial and
political, without regard to health and nutrition.

What are the dangers? The potential dangers are huge. Existing genetic
structures have evolved over millions of years into an infinitely
complex interconnected  ecosystem. Now scientists are upsetting this
delicate balance with changes which could not happen naturally. This
is being done extremely quickly without proper caution for the
possible consequences.

* Genetic engineering is not the same as cross breeding which has been
practised for many years. It is not an exact science. For example, it
could result in some dangerous organisms becoming resistant to
antibiotics. It could accidentally create new poisons and diseases. It
could result in weeds and insects becoming resistant to pesticides and
herbicides.

* Food comes from nature. If we change the fundamental make-up of a
food, it could cause disease, just as herbicides and pesticides were
found to in the past. Genetically modified foods do not have to be
tested before they are sold in the shops.

* Plants designed to be herbicide-resistant will allow higher
concentrations to be sprayed on the crops, so that food contains more
chemicals, and rivers and reservoirs become more polluted.

* Genetic engineering of livestock leads to sick and suffering animals
and to worse quality food. Already, animals are being bred with
diseases for experiments and  a life of suffering. Fish have been
modified to grow larger; cows and goats have been modified to  produce
drugs. Often these animals are sickly and have a shorter life.

* Western agrochemical companies are buying up the seed companies in
developing countries in order to sell genetically modified seed,
thereby jeopardising crop bio-diversity through loss of traditional
seeds.

* Biological pollution may be the greatest danger from genetic
engineering.
New living organisms, bacteria and viruses will be released to
reproduce,
migrate and mutate. They will pass on their new characteristics to
other organisms and can never be recalled or contained. This is
inviting disastrous ecological disruption.

What is the position now?
Genetically modified foods already available include soya beans (which
are used in 60% of processed foods), tomatoes, yeast, dairy products,
and rape seed oil. But this is just the beginning. In a few years it
may be almost impossible to find natural food.The government is
ignoring the dangers, by failing to support labelling and proper
evaluation of new foods.

Of all the poisonous side-effects of modern technology, genetically
modified organisms are the most dangerous. They are uncontainable and
their effects are irreversible.

The dangers of genetic engineering include poor quality food, sick
animals, more virulent pests and diseases, reduced bio-diversity,
increased pollution of water, food and land, and disruption of the
balance of nature. Already with increasing scientific intervention in
food production, poisonous and unhealthy food is becoming more common.

Nobody knows how many will die from mad cow disease, believed to
result from feeding cattle on scientifically approved but totally
unnatural food. Pesticides, fertilisers, and polluted water and air
are causing cancer, birth defects, falling fertility, salmonella
poisoning, asthma, and leukemia. These are in addition to the well
known pollution threats of radioactive waste, the side-effects of
drugs like thalidomide, the destruction of the ozone layer, and
poisonous materials like asbestos and lead in petrol.

Call for a total ban  on the sale of genetically modified foods. In
the meantime, all food products containing such material should be
clearly labelled so that we can choose what we eat. Protect your
health. Boycott these foods.

What You can do: Make copies of this sheet and distribute it to
friends, family, and colleagues, in schools and colleges, trades
unions, clubs and societies. Alert everyone to the danger. Write to
your MP, the press, to supermarkets, consumer groups etc.

Campaign Against Genetically  Engineered Foods, Natural Law Party,
Mentmore Towers, Bucks, LU7 OQH. Fax 01296-662486.

We must act before it is too late. Most people are unaware of these
dangers.

Genetically modified foods are being introduced without proper
discussion

DANGERS OF GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS
The scientific facts demonstrating that an immediate worldwide ban is
necessary.

Genetically engineered foods containing genes derived from pigs, fish,
insects, viruses, and bacteria are appearing on supermarket shelves,
beginning with tomatoes, corn, soya products, milk products, yeast,
and oils, later extending to replace hundreds of traditional varieties
of fruit and vegetables. The government is permitting their sale
without warning the public, even though many genetics scientists say
that genetically engineered foods will permanently damage your health.

Here's how:
* Unpredictable mutation of the genetic blueprint of life, causing new
diseases and weaknesses. Given the huge complexity of genetic coding,
even in very simple organisms such as bacteria, no one can possibly
predict the effects of introducing new genes into any organism or
plant, nor the extent of health-damaging effects on any person who
eats it.

This happens because:
* the transposed gene will react differently when working within its
new host

* the original genetic intelligence of the host will be disrupted

* the genes of the host and the transposed gene combined together will
have unpredictable effects

*  Unnatural gene transfers from one species to another are dangerous.
Biotechnology companies falsely claim that their manipulations are
similar to natural genetic changes. However the cross-species
transfers that are being made, such as between pigs and plants, or
between fish and tomatoes, would never happen in nature and may allow
diseases and weaknesses to cross species, with effects as disastrous
as those seen in BSE - mad cow disease. The guinea-pig in this risky
experiment is the general public.

*  Health-damaging effects caused by genetic engineering will continue
forever

Biotechnology companies claim their methods are precise and
sophisticated. In fact, there is a random element to their
experimental gene insertion methods. Side effects and accidents are
inevitable, and the risks have been scientifically assessed as
unlimited. Unlike chemical or nuclear contamination, gene pollution
cannot be cleaned up; toxic effects of genetic mistakes will be passed
on to all future generations of a species.

* Genetically engineered products carry more risks than traditional
foods.
Biotechnology companies say that the risks of new genetically
engineered foods are similar to risks posed by all foods, but
experience has shown that the process of genetic engineering is
introducing dangerous new allergens and toxins into foods that were
previously naturally safe.

*  Catastrophic collapse of human physiological balance.
Genetically engineered tryptophan killed 37 people and permanently
disabled 1,500. Inevitably toxic effects will result from other new
foods. Genetic research shows that many diseases have their origin in
tiny imperfections in genetic coding. Tinkering with the genetic code
in any way will upset the delicate balance between our physiology and
the foods that we eat. The genetic structure of plants has been
nourishing mankind for millennia. To change suddenly almost all foods
through irreversible genetic engineering is highly dangerous and
threatens life.

*  Genetically engineered foods are being introduced without
labelling. Biotech companies assert that no labelling is required,
falsely claiming that there is no material difference between
genetically modified foods and their traditional natural counterparts.
In fact, the natural genetic intelligence of foods, built up over
millions of years, is being changed. Governments are siding with
biotech companies, ignoring the rights of consumers to know. Without
labelling, the causes of new diseases will be difficult to trace.
While all foods should be honestly labelled, genetically engineered
foods should be totally banned to protect life.

*  Inadequate government regulation
Biotech companies claim that government regulatory bodies like the US
Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the British Ministry of
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF) will protect consumers. However
DDT, Thalidomide, L-tryptophan, etc. were approved by these regulators
with tragic results. MAFF has already released factually inaccurate
information about genetically engineered foods in its 'foodsense' book
series which give a false impression of safety. US tests found that
80% of supermarket milk contained traces of either medicines, illegal
antibiotics used on farms, or hormones, including genetically
engineered Bovine Growth Hormone (rBGH). The facts show that
regulators are not protecting the public adequately; nor will
labelling protect the public from dangers - a complete ban on
genetically engineered foods is essential.

*  Ethical issues affecting vegetarians, religious groups, and animal
rights campaigners.
Biotechnology companies claim that animal and plant DNA are similar
and that there is no ethical issue when transferring animal DNA
molecules to plants. However, underlying these genetic methods are
animal* experiments where genetic information unique to animals is
transferred to plants.

*  Genetic transfer across species and competition from new species
damaging the environment.
After introduction in plants, bacteria, insects, or other animals, new
genetic information will cross into related life forms, through
processes such as cross pollination, or displace existing species from
the ecosystem with disastrous effects, as found for example with
genetically modified Klebsiella bacteria.

*  Inadequate safety at research facilities.
UK research institutions have little protection to ensure that
experimental genetically engineered organisms are not escaping. For
example seeds can be blown by the wind over low fences or carried
great distances by birds very quickly. It is not possible for anyone,
any farm, or any country to isolate itself from the disastrous effects
of genetic manipulation. Therefore a total ban on the release of
these organisms is required.

*  Global threat to humanity's food supply.
Giant transnational biotechnology companies already control large
segments of the world's food supply including food patents, seed
companies, and other aspects of the food chain. They are introducing
experimental, untested, genetically engineered products in a dangerous
global experiment. If the intentions of the industry come to fruition,
almost every food we eat will be altered within a few years. This
radical change in humanity's food supply will result in many
unanticipated irreversible problems such as serious food shortages and
wide-scale health threats.

Institute of Natural Law
Mentmore Towers, Mentmore, Buckinghamshire LU7 0QH  England
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Press Office: +44 (0)1296-662185    
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From ryan_j@erc.montana.edu Tue Jun 18 10:08:16 EDT 1996
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		 <31A60AB9.505E@infosphere.com> <4obk6p$nn9@harold.frugal.com>
		 <4ocga9$ehh@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <peD3bDALgArxEwgZ@dholt.demon.co.uk> <31B2F8C4.449D@erc.montana.edu> <Pine.OSF.3.91.960603180452.2643B-100000@plato.ucs.mun.ca>
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Ryan Jordan wrote:

> > You also cannot compare mortality rates between pond fish and
> > river fish, as rivers are (usually) colder and flowing, placing
> > more demands on the fish in terms of its ability to recovery
> > from physical stress.

Sean Clancy replied:


> Why not?  Most of the trout in the rivers are those found in
> surrounding lakes and ponds within particular watersheds ... Thus,  you can study the differences
> between lakes and rivers if the fish are of the same population and both
> habitats are accessible by the population in question.

I was not referring to any difference in strain or species, but 
one of environmental stresses related to the flow regime of a 
fish's habitat. Regardless of whether it is a pond fish or river 
fish that is released, that fish will have an easier time 
recovering in still water than in flowing water.

rJ


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From hieg@vnet.es Tue Jun 18 10:08:17 EDT 1996
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From: Alvaro HIDALGO <hieg@vnet.es>
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Subject: penaeus Japonicus Bibliography wanted
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I´m lokking for bibliography (books, and articles) related to Penaeus 
Japonicus farming, including economical aspects, feaures etc.

All answers will be appreciated

					Alvaro HIDALGO


From sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Tue Jun 18 10:08:17 EDT 1996
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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ryan Jordan wrote:

> 
> I was not referring to any difference in strain or species, but 
> one of environmental stresses related to the flow regime of a 
> fish's habitat. Regardless of whether it is a pond fish or river 
> fish that is released, that fish will have an easier time 
> recovering in still water than in flowing water.
> 
	Would that not depend on the type of salmonid,  the season at 
which the fish is caught,  and the temperature of the water in both 
habitats?  In general,  most salmonid fishes prefer water 
temperatures that are cool and/or cold (between 4 - 20 degrees 
celcius)[Scott and Crossman 1973] so releasing fish in the "colder flowing" 
waters of a stream or 
river may in fact increase the animals probability of survival.  From my 
experience with trout,  they seem to 
recover much faster in flowing water than in the still water of lakes 
and/or ponds.  However,  as mentioned above this depends on which stage 
of developement the fish is in and the season the fish is caught.  I am 
not sure, but I think there are a few new studies (waiting publication) 
>from  New Brunswick, Canada,  dealing with mortality of C and R trout and 
salmon in rivers and lakes.


my $0.02 worth,

fish on

s.

Why does a dog lick itself?  Because it can!
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From fishnut@dreamscape.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:18 EDT 1996
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From: fishnut@dreamscape.com (Rich Metzler)
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Does anyone have any info on tagging (hook&line) and releasing Lake Trout.  I 
am a former fisheries student with my degree, and I am trying to start a 
voluntary tagging program on Lake rout in Lake Ontario, we do not have real 
good data on migration growth rates, etc. Any ideas on best tags, avalibility, 
etc. any info would be gratly appreciated.

Rich Metzler
fishnut@dreamscape.com


From carrie_walter@mail.fws.gov Tue Jun 18 10:08:18 EDT 1996
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June 5, 1996


Hi Folks,

I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has launched 
two new World Wide Web servers.  This effort supports our goal of sharing our 
data and information.

The World Wide Web servers, and their url's (addresses), are:

Alaska Region (Region 7)

http://www.fws.gov/~r7hpirm/

Walnut Creek National Wildlife Refuge

http://www.fws.gov/~r3pao/wnthom.html

You can access these sites directly at the url's listed above, or you can access 
them through the newly redesigned U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Home Page at

http://www.fws.gov/

We have redesigned our main server, so please check it out.  The redesign was 
done for several reasons.  After being online for 20 months, we learned who our 
audiences are.  From hundreds of email messages we learned the strengths and 
weaknesses of our old design.  Also, we found that our old design, based on lists, 
was inadequate as the amount of information we were serving grew. Hope you 
enjoy it.

Thanks.  ...al

============================================================= 
Dr. Alan R. Fisher
National Data Administrator
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
303-275-2320
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FWS-Mail:      Fisher, Alan
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From amacnow@igc.apc.org Tue Jun 18 10:08:19 EDT 1996
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                                        FROM: Alan Macnow
                                              Consultant,
                                              Japan Whaling Association
                                                TEL: (212) 688-5580
                                                FAX: (212) 688-5857
                                                amacnow@igc.apc.org

          PRO AND ANTI WHALING FORCES SEEK SHOWDOWN AT WHALING MEETING

                Pro and anti whaling advocates are marshalling their
        forces to define the future of the International Whaling Commis-
        sion (IWC) when it holds its annual meeting in Aberdeen, Scot-
        land June 24-28.
                The IWC, established by the International Convention for
        the Regulation of Whaling in 1946, has been roiled by seemingly
        irreconcilable differences between those who want to conserve
        and manage whales for sustainable use and those who want to use
        the organization as a means of protecting whales from all harm.
                Under the Convention, the IWC was empowered "to provide
        proper conservation of whale stocks and thus make possible the
        orderly development of the whaling industry."  But in recent
        years, strengthened by the addition of non-whaling countries to
        IWC membership, to the point where they command a three-quarters
        majority, anti-whaling advocates have changed the course and
        complexion of the IWC's actions.
                This year, most of the contentious issues will come to a
        head at Aberdeen.
                The big issue is whether the IWC has the authority to
        bypass the provisions of the Convention and change its purpose
        without the consent of all the member nations.  The issue has
        come up before but was not pursued to a conclusion in areas such
        as the commercial whaling moratorium, humane killing, and
        studies of small cetaceans.  In the past, member nations opposed
        in principle or practice to measures that did not conform to the
        provisions of the Convention either filed an objection and were
        exempted, or went along in a spirit of accommodation.
                This year the issue will be pressed in several areas.
                Foremost is the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary (SOWS), a
        measure prohibiting commercial whaling, but not whale research
        or aboriginal whaling, in the 13 million square miles of water
        surrounding the Antarctic.  The SOWS, passed in 1994, prevents
        the sustainable use of such abundant and fast reproducing spec-
        ies as minke whales. These are not endangered and number over
        three quarter of a million animals.  The SOWS was not approved
        by the IWC's Scientific Committee, the Commission for the Con-
        servation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources, the Scientific
        Committee for Antarctic Research or any other reputable scien-
        tific body.  A battery of opinions from legal experts contends
        that passage of the measure was illegal.
                Sustainable use advocates and many scientists and ju-
        rists will press hard at this meeting to get the IWC back on the
        road mandated by the Convention: the conservation, development
        and optimum utilization of the whale stocks.
                With the passage of the commercial whaling moratorium in
        1982, and at the request of the IWC, the IWC Scientific Commit-
        tee was assigned to develop a Revised Management Procedure (RMP)
        that would expedite the rebuilding of depleted whale stocks,
        ensure against future depletion, and provide a means of utiliz-
        ing abundant whale stocks at sustainable levels.
                The Scientific Committee worked for eight years to de-
        velop and test a faultless procedure. But the anti-whaling ma-
        jority of the IWC delayed its implementation, causing the
        chairman of the Scientific Committee to resign in protest.
        Those who oppose the resumption of whaling, even at sustainable
        levels, are expected to raise more roadblocks to incorporating
        the RMP with measures to ensure that catch quotas and research
        requirements are enforced.
                Another area of strong contention will be a proposed ban
        on the use of the electric lance.  The lance is used to elec-
        trocute whales not killed quickly with explosive harpoons.
        Anti-whaling proponents, however, allege that the device is not
        fast enough to qualify as a humane killing method.  Japan, which
        uses the electric lance, has data showing that the mean time to
        death when it is employed is 44 seconds.
                Adversaries of the proposed lance ban see it as just an-
        other device to prevent implementation of the Revised Management
        Scheme.  The ban is opposed, too, by those who see the whole
        humane killing issue as outside of the terms of the Convention.
                An effort to extend the authority of the IWC to dolphins
        and other small cetaceans also is expected to face strong oppo-
        sition at Aberdeen.  Three reasons given for opposing it are:
        The IWC Convention only provides jurisdiction over large whales,
        not small whales, dolphins or porpoises.  The UN Conference on
        the Environment and Development, the Convention on Biological
        Diversity, and a number of other conservation entities recommend
        regional management over international management for oceanic
        species with regional habitats, such as most small cetaceans.
        And third, most countries do not want to see small cetacean man-
        agement enmeshed in ideological disputes, as at the IWC.
                Other issues that will be raised at the IWC meeting are
        likely to be:
                * The new assessment of Atlantic minke stocks based upon
        new Norwegian sightings surveys.
                * The effects, if any, of pollution, global warming, and
        other environmental factors on the whale populations.
                                     -end-



From kari@niko.unl.edu Tue Jun 18 10:08:19 EDT 1996
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From: kari@niko.unl.edu (Kari E. Benson)
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In article <31B2F8C4.449D@erc.montana.edu> Ryan Jordan <ryan_j@erc.montana.edu> writes:
   >   If you have a mortality rate as high as 50% when you are C&R you are
   > doing something seriously wrong. I have fished c&r for the last six
   > years and I know my mortality rate is less than 1%. I am involved in
   > three tagging programmes, one tagging Pike on loch Lomond (all my tagged
   > pike have been recaptured some more than once)and two programmes
   > involving sharks,skate and rays which have a recapture rate of about
   > 48%.

   Mortality rates cannot be compared between Pike and Trout. Trout 
   are much more sensitive to environmental stresses.

   You also cannot compare mortality rates between pond fish and 
   river fish, as rivers are (usually) colder and flowing, placing 
   more demands on the fish in terms of its ability to recovery 
   from physical stress.

   If we really want to get at this catch/release/mortality issue, 
   we should probably stay focused upon trout in rivers, since this 
   represents the most crucial case.


Also, I think that we need to clarify what we mean when we are
referring to C&R.  Mortality rates from tournaments (when fish have
been out of the water several times, weighed, and carried in a live
well) might be higher than mortality rates where one catches a fish,
gets a quick look and puts it back (often in such cases the fish is
not even directly handled and is only out of water for 10 seconds or
so).  Presumably for mortality studies, the fish need to be handled
more, and marked (floy tags?).  Marking itself can be somewhat
invasive.  This might artificially inflate estimates of C&R mortality.

Any papers with such comparisons in the primary literature?

Kari
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            ><>                Nebraska Behavioral Biology Group
    ><>    ><>                 University of Nebraska-Lincoln
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From dholt@dholt.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 10:08:19 EDT 1996
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In article <KARI.96Jun6104110@niko.unl.edu>, "Kari E. Benson"
<kari@niko.unl.edu> writes
>
>Also, I think that we need to clarify what we mean when we are
>referring to C&R.  Mortality rates from tournaments (when fish have
>been out of the water several times, weighed, and carried in a live
>well) might be higher than mortality rates where one catches a fish,
>gets a quick look and puts it back (often in such cases the fish is
>not even directly handled and is only out of water for 10 seconds or
>so).  Presumably for mortality studies, the fish need to be handled
>more, and marked (floy tags?).  Marking itself can be somewhat
>invasive.  This might artificially inflate estimates of C&R mortality.
>
>Any papers with such comparisons in the primary literature?
>
>Kari


 Hi,
     When we tag a Pike its out the water for about 60 seconds, its
weighed,measured and tagged in the boat then returned.The skate are
gaffed in the wing, lifted into the boat weighed,measured and tagged but
due to the size of them (average over 100lb)it can take a few minutes to
take all the nessesary data, the fish are all tagged with floy taggs, T-
bar on the pike, dart on the skate.
  The updates on the pike tagging are published in the Pike Anglers club
of G.B. magazine "Pikelines". The results of phase 1 of the skate
tagging are available from  the Natural history dept,Glasgow
Museum,Scotland.

                                           Davy
-- 
David Holt


From flconnor@aol.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:20 EDT 1996
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From: fishnut@dreamscape.com (Rich Metzler)

>>>Does anyone have any info on tagging (hook&line) and releasing Lake
Trout.  I 
am a former fisheries student with my degree, and I am trying to start a 
voluntary tagging program on Lake rout in Lake Ontario, we do not have
real 
good data on migration growth rates, etc. Any ideas on best tags,
avalibility, 
etc. any info would be gratly appreciated.
<<<

Rich, I suggest contacting the National Biological Service's Great Lake
Science Center.  Dr. Mary Fabrizio and others are involved in lake trout
tagging studies and have published several paper in Transactions of the
American Fisheries Society and other journals.

The address
NBS
Great Lakes Science Center
1451 Green Road
Ann Arbor, MI  48105

Good Luck
Larry Connor


From michael@avana.net Tue Jun 18 10:08:20 EDT 1996
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Can anyone tell me how to build crayfish traps?



From martini@embratel.net.br Tue Jun 18 10:08:20 EDT 1996
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From: martini@embratel.net.br (Marcio Martini)
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Hi fellows:
I'm looking for a cientific name of:
1 - White-tip Shark 
2 - Marble-Ray 

Please, send me your answer by e-mail to martini@embratel.net.br.
Thanks in advance
Marcio Martini  martini@embratel.net.br
SAO PAULO - BRAZIL



From JPVIANA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu Tue Jun 18 10:08:21 EDT 1996
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From: JPVIANA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Joao Paulo Viana)
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Are there any regulations concerning dissolved oxygen levels in water released
by North American dams? I have read several papers and books on downstream 
effects of dams, which frequently mention alteration in thermal regime and gas 
supersaturation, but I could not find any documented reference regarding low 
DO values.

The reason I am asking is that I recorded DO levels below 2 mg/l up 
to 40 river kilometers downstream from a dam during half of the year in 
Rondonia, brazilian Amazon, and I wonder if this sort of condition is found 
elsewhere.

Thanks in advance,

Joao Paulo  



From zbych@kiel1.complex.com.pl Tue Jun 18 10:08:21 EDT 1996
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From: Zbigniew Szmigiero <zbych@kiel1.complex.com.pl>
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Please me
I serching picture of Horn Shark


From rjenks@ldl.net Tue Jun 18 10:08:21 EDT 1996
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From: rjenks@ldl.net (Robert A Jenks)
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I have heard a rumor that King mackerel from the Gulf of Mexico
are contaminated with mercury and that there are serious limitations
suggested on eating them.  Can anybody confirm this.  What are 
the side-effects to humans for eating too much mercury.

Reply via E-mail or usenet...


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From monika.hoenlinger@univie.ac.at Tue Jun 18 10:08:22 EDT 1996
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From: Thomas <monika.hoenlinger@univie.ac.at>
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Subject: Wanted: post-doc position in aquatic ecology
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Dear Colleagues

I'm currently on the "hunt" for a challenging research opportunity at
the level of a post-doc position in ecology.

The focus of my experiences and future interests lies mainly in
aquatic/community ecology and environmental management, with
particular interests encompassing inter alia:
- stable isotopes to trace material flows through communities and
ecosystems
- competition and predation as structuring forces in ecological
communities (e.g. soft-bottom benthos)
- patterns of resource utilisation, spatial and temporal density
variation
- definition of anthropogenic habitat modifications, environmental
stress, and development of environmental management strategies

I have extensive experience in working with brackish water, estuarine
systems and a solid footing in both field and laboratory techniques
(including biostatistics & community analysis which I currently teach
here at Vienna University).

I look greatly forward to hearing from you, and attach in the
meanwhile a CV so you can form at least a cursory picture of that
suddenly appearing figure.

Regards
Thomas
                                RESUME
                           THOMAS SCHLACHER

**************************   EDUCATION & ***************************
                           QUALIFICATIONS

1996, April 20:   Ph.D. in Zoology
                  University of Port Elizabeth, South Africa.
1990, March 20:   M.Sc. in Zoology, cum laude
                  University of Vienna, Austria.
1990, January 19: B.Sc. Hons., cum laude
                  University of Vienna, Austria.
1987, March 27:   B.Sc., cum laude
                  University of Salzburg, Austria.

***********************  PUBLICATIONS ******************************

1.) INTERNATIONAL, PEER-REVIEWED JOURNALS 

Schlacher T.A., K.J. Wittmann and A.P. Ariani. 1992. Comparative
 morphology and actuopalaeontology of mysid statoliths (Crustacea,
 Mysidacea). Zoomorphology 112: 67-79.

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. 1994. Tidal influence on
 distribution and behaviour of the estuarine oppossum-shrimp
 Gastrosaccus brevifissura. pp . 314-318. In: K. Dyer & R.J. Orth
 (ed.) Changes in fluxes in estuaries: implications for science and
 management. Olsen & Olsen, Fredensborg, Denmark.

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. wooldridge. 1995. Small-scale distribution
 and variability of demersal zooplankton in a shallow, temperate
 estuary: tidal and depth effects on species-specific heterogeneity.
 Cahiers de Biologie Marine, 36:211-227.

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. in press. Patterns of selective
 predation by juvenile, benthivorous fish on estuarine macrofauna.
 Marine Biology.

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. in press. Can retention of
 benthic macrofauna by a particular mesh size be reliably predicted
 from body size of organisms ? Hydrobiologia

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. in press. Axial zonation patterns
 of subtidal macrozoobenthos in the Gamtoos estuary, South Africa.
 Estuaries

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. in press. Origin and trophic
 importance of detritus - evidence from stable isotopes in the
 benthos of a small, temperate estuary. Oecologia

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. in press. How sieve mesh size
 affects sample estimates of estuarine benthic macrofauna. Journal of
 Experimental Marine Biology and Ecology.

Soares A.G., McLachlan A. and T.A. Schlacher. in press. Disturbance
 effects of stranded kelp on populations of the sandy beach bivalve
 Donax serra, Roeding. Journal of Experimental Marine Biology and
 Ecology

Wittmann K.J., Schlacher T.A. and A.P. Ariani. 1993. Structure of
 recent and fossil mysid statoliths (crustacea, mysidacea). Journal
 of Morphology 215: 31-49.

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. submitted. Ecological responses
 to reductions in freshwater supply - lessons for management and
 conservation of South Africa's estuaries. Aquatic Conservation:
 Marine and Freshwater Systems.

Soares A.G., Schlacher T.A. and A. McLachlan. submitted. Carbon and
 nitrogen exchange between sandy beach clams and kelp beds in the
 Benguela coastal upwelling area. Marine Biology.

Webb P., Wooldridge T.H. and T.A. Schlacher. submitted.
 Osmoregulation and spatial distribution in four species of mysid
 shrimp. Journal of  Comparative Physiology and Biochemistry.

Winter P.E.D., Schlacher T.A. and D. Baird. submitted. Flux of carbon
 between an estuary and the ocean: a case for outwelling.
 Hydrobiologia.

2.) BOOK REVIEWS 
Schlacher T. A. 1996. The Brackish-water fauna of northwestern
 Europe: a guide to brackish water habitats ecology and macrofauna
 for field workers, naturalists and students. By R.S.K. Barnes,
 Cambridge University Press, 1994. Estuaries, 19(1): 164.

3.) THESES
Schlacher T. A. 1990. Studies on comparative morphology, biometry and
 actuopalaeontology of mysid statoliths. M.Sc.- thesis. University of
 Vienna.

Schlacher T. A. 1995. Bentho-pelagic crustacean fauna of upper
 estuarine regions. Ph.D.-thesis. University of Port Elizabeth.

4.) CONFERENCE PRESENTATIONS
Schlacher T.A. 1991. Preliminary observations on the small-scale
 lateral distribution of euryhaline zooplankton. Marine, Estuarine
 and Freshwater Ecosystems Conference, 9-11 July 1991, Grahamstown,
 South Africa. Poster.

Schlacher T.A. 1991. Small-scale temporal and spatial distribution of
 euryhaline zooplankton in the upper reaches of the Gamtoos estuary,
 southern Africa. 26th European Marine Biology Symposium (EMBS),
 17-21 Sept. 1991, Middelburg, The Netherlands. Poster.

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. 1992. Tidal influence on
 distribution and behaviour of the estuarine oppossum-shrimp
 Gastrosaccus brevifissura. Joint ECSA/ERF Conference, 13-18 Sept.
 1992,  Plymouth, U.K. Paper.

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. 1995. Ecological responses to
 reductions in freshwater supply: lessons for management and
 conservation of South Africa's estuaries. ECSA symposium on
 strategies and  methods in coastal and estuarine management. 11-16
 Sept. 1995, Dublin, Ireland. Paper (voted best student paper of the
 conference).

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. 1995. Stable isotope ratios as
 traces of detritus pathways in the benthos of an estuary. 30th
 European Marine Biology Symposium (EMBS). 18-22 Sept. 1995,
 Southampton, U.K. Paper.

Cronin G., T. A. Schlacher, M. Nielsen, K. Wissing, and D. Lodge.
 1996. Herbivory on water -lilies, feeding specificity of the
 herbivores,  and indirect effects of a predator on the plants. 44th
 Annual Meeting of the North American Benthological Society,  3-7
 June 1996, Kalispell, Montana, USA.

Cronin G., T. A. Schlacher, E. Siska, and D. Lodge. 1996. Host
 preference of Pyrrhalta nymphaeae (Chrysomelidae, Coleoptera):
 Intraspecific behavioural variation due to genetic or environmental
 factors ? Midwest Ecology and Evolution Conference (MEEC), April
 12-14 1996, Michigan State University, Wisconsin, USA. Poster.

Schlacher T.A. submitted. Competition for Space in Estuarine Soft
 Sediment Habitats - Evidence from Emigration Experiments. Ecology of
 Estuaries and Soft Sediment Habitats. 3-8- February 1997, Deakin
 University, Vicotria, Australia. Paper.

Schlacher T.A. and T.H. Wooldridge. submitted. Freshwater diversion
 from estuaries: from ecological consequences to conservation
 strategies. submitted to: Ecology of Estuaries and Soft Sediment
 Habitats. 3-8- February 1997, Deakin University, Vicotria,
 Australia. Poster.

**************************   POSITIONS HELD ************************
                          PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE

March 1996 -      Lecturer in Ecology - Biostatistics
current           Dep. Medical Biol., Univ. Vienna. Austria

Sept. 1995 -      Research Fellow         
Dec. 1995         Dep. Zoology & Inst.Coastal Res.
                  Univ. Port Elizabeth. South Africa

Jul. 1995 -       Research Assistant (Post-doc)
Aug. 1995         Dep. Biol. Siences, University of Notre Dame. USA.

March 1995 -      Lecturer in Ecology - Biostatistics
July 1995         Dep. Medical Biol., Univ. Vienna. Austria

March 1990 -      Research Assitant (temp.)
Feb. 1995         Dep. Zoology & Inst.Coastal Res.
                  Univ. Port Elizabeth. South Africa

***********************  TEACHING EXPERIENCE  **********************

COMMUNITY ANALYSIS (1995, 1996)
Community Ecology, Patterns of Biodiversity, Design of  Ecological
Sampling Programmes, Multivariate Statistical Analysis

INTERDISCIPLINARY PROJECTS IN URBAN ECOLOGY (1996) 
Community Structure of Soil Arthropods in Relation to Anthropogenic
Habitat Modifications (Heavy Metal Pollution)

***********************  ACADEMIC AWARDS  **************************

1995: Institute for Coastal Research, Prestige Travel Award
(ECSA 25 and EMBS 30 in Dublin and Southampton).

1995: Best student paper at ECSA symposium on Strategies and Methods
 in Coastal and Estuarine Management, Dublin, Ireland.

1991: Ph.D.- scholarship by SA Department of  National Education.

********************  INVITED LECTURES  ****************************

1995:  Freshwater Diversion, stable isotopes and benthic detritus in
 estuaries. Department of Biological Sciences, University of Notre
 Dame, Notre Dame, IN, USA.

1995:  A  day in the life of an estuarine amphipod.Institute for
 Coastal Research Annual Symposium. University of Port Elizabeth,
 P.E., SA.

1993:  Variability in the estuarine plankton. Department of Zoology
 Symposium Series, University of Port Elizabeth, P.E., S.A.

***********************  FIELD COURSES *****************************

1989: Croatia, advanced marine biology
1989: Jordan: desert ecosystems, coral reefs
1988: Croatia: ecology of Mediterranean islands
1987: Croatia: marine biology

***********************  LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY  ********************

English  100 %
German   100 %
French    20 %

***********************  EXTRAMURAL INTERESTS  ********************

Mountaineering, Cycling, Skiing, Travelling, Scuba 

***********************  PEER REVIEWING FOR  **********************

Changes in Fluxes in Estuaries
Aquatic Conservation: Marine and Freshwater Systems
Estuaries

***********************  REFERENCES  *******************************

Prof. Tris Wooldridge
 Department of Zoology, University of Port Elizabeth, P O Box 1600,
 Port Elizabeth 6000, South Africa.
 Voice: +27 41 5042 425, Fax: +27 41 5042 317, 
 E-mail: zlathw@zoo.upe.ac.za

Prof. Karl Wittmann
 Institut für Medizinische Biologie, Universität Wien,
 Schwarzspanierstrasse 17, A-1090 Wien, Austria.
 Voice: +43 1 40480 354, Fax: +43 1 40480 456
 E-mail: karl.wittmann@univie.ac.at

Prof. David Lodge
 Department of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame
 Notre Dame, IN 46556, U.S.A.
 Voice: (219) 631 6094, Fax: (219) 631 7413
 E-mail: david.m.lodge.1@nd.edu 

Dr. Hendrik Jerling
 Department of Zoology, University of Zululand, Private Bag X1001,
 Kwadlangezwa 3886, South Africa.
 Voice: +27 351 93911 2317, Fax: +27 351 93735 549
 E-mail: hjerling@pan.uzulu.ac.za

**************************   POSTAL ADDRESS  ***********************

Jungstraße 4/27, A-1020 Wien, Austria.
Voice: +43 1 7285943, Fax: +43 1 40480 456
e-mail: monika.hoenlinger@univie.ac.at

**************************   PERSONAL DATA  ************************

Surname:          Schlacher       First Name:       Thomas
Date of birth:    7 April 1965    Place of birth:   Bad Aussee, AUT
Citizenship:      Austrian        Marital status:   Single
Dependants:       None            Health:           Excellent
Driving License:  Code A & B      Highest academ.
                                  Qualification:    Ph.D. (Zoology)




From patrick.flammarion@cemagref.fr Tue Jun 18 10:08:22 EDT 1996
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From: patrick.flammarion@cemagref.fr
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We need information (article, technical report, original data...)  about 
levels of micropollutants in freshwater fish in order to make a comparison 
with levels measured in fish from French rivers (in the Rhône watershed). Both 
heavy metals and organic compounds were analyzed : metals (Hg, Zn, Cd, Pb), 
organochlorines and PCBs in muscle ; metals (Zn, Ni, Cr, Cu) in gills. Thank 
you very much for your help.

Sincerely,

Patrick Flammarion, laboratory for ecotoxicology, Cemagref,
3bis Quai Chauveau, CP220, 69336 Lyon cedex 9, France
tel : (33) 72208785 ; fax : (33) 78477875 ;
E-mail : patrick.flammarion@cemagref.fr


From augustk@eskimo.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:22 EDT 1996
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I'm hoping that someone in this group may know if trouts other than Coastal 
Resident Cutthroats possess the large faint gray spotting in addition to the
smaller, and more distinct black spots.

I oversee a 25 acre, eutrophic lake supplied primarily by springs (beneath it)
plus a couple very small intermittent streams.  I recently caught a fish with the spots
as described above and this fish was ~11 inches long.  Nearly all of the stocked rainbow
population (no large faint gray spots) is in the 16-19 inch range.  Without a net handy,
I couldn't restrain the fish well enough to look down its throat for the hyoid teeth or check
well for the orange cutthroat "slash".  Also, the dorsal area of this fish was much more toward 
black than the olive/brown of the stocked fish.

Thanks in advance,

August Kristoferson
http://www.eskimo.com/~augustk


From pcb@austin.ibm.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:23 EDT 1996
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In Louisiana, its a chicken wire baskett about 1 foot in diameter and
2-3 feet deep.  There is a weight inside on the bottom where you 
attach a piece of fish or meat (chicken).  The top is open with a rope
attached.

I think the crawfish enter the top hole or through the chicken wire holes.


From 73164.405@CompuServe.COM Tue Jun 18 10:08:23 EDT 1996
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From: nancy bielawski <73164.405@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: oyster farming
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I am interested in farming oysers and would appreciate references 
to any information available on this topic. I am involved in an 
experimental program but don't have any knowledge about stocking 
densities, growth rates, etc.


From ilr@perth.DIALix.oz.au Tue Jun 18 10:08:23 EDT 1996
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From: ilr@perth.DIALix.oz.au (Ian Rowe)
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Since some nations are dependent on fish as their main source of protein,
rather than upon animals, they would therefore be vulnerable in wartime to
attack from this quarter. Even a feint attack on a nation's food-chain can
create hysteria. How vulnerable are oceanic fisheries to deliberate poisoning?
In particular, what are the mechanics for exterminating/contaminating a
fishery? In a recent incident in southern Australia pilchards were accidently
fed contaminated fish. The resultant disaster was quite surprising - adult
pilchards began dying and the epidemic spread across a 3000 mile front between
Perth and Sydney. The explanation for this spreading was that adult pilchards
cannibalize their own kind so that they themselves are infected in turn. Do
most fish (that humans eat) exhibit such poor species-survival characteristics?
If so, would not a nation dependent on such fisheries be vulnerable from this
quarter in wartime?

Ian Rowe
ilr@perth.dialix.oz.au










From Mackieaquacultur@tory.org.uk Tue Jun 18 10:08:24 EDT 1996
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From: "James A. Mackie" <Mackieaquacultur@tory.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: oyster farming
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In article <4paog1$5e5$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>, nancy
bielawski <73164.405@CompuServe.COM> writes
>I am interested in farming oysers and would appreciate references 
>to any information available on this topic. I am involved in an 
>experimental program but don't have any knowledge about stocking 
>densities, growth rates, etc.

Dr James Buchannan is Chief Executive of the Scottish Shellfish Growers
Association and should be able to help you.     His telephone number is
(UK) 0131 440 2116.     Another good referrence source is the Scottish
Office Agriculture and Fisheries Department Marine Laboratory Library,
PO Box 101, Victoria Road, Aberdeen. AB9 8DB.  Scotlan. telephone 01224
295391,   Fax 01124 295309  or email heaths@marlab.ac.uk
-- 
James A. Mackie


From aqsys@inc.net Tue Jun 18 10:08:24 EDT 1996
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From: aqsys@inc.net (Scott Seymour)
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Aquatic Systems now has a WWW Web page up and running, 
although the Web page is commercial in nature, the 
majority of the page is meant to be informative.  Some 
of the subjects covered are web page are: weed & algae 
control, aeration systems, biological augmentation, 
oxygen problems and many more.  This web page has been 
designed for the layman pond or lake owner, so the 
language has been kept relatively simple.  If you get a 
chance to visit our web page, we would like to know 
what you think, any suggestions or criticism are very 
welcome.. The web page will be added to on a continuing 
basis, and recommendations for what needs to be added 
is welcome.

The address for the web site is:

http://www.execpc.com/~aqsys/index.html

Looking forward to your feedback.



From epierce@awinc.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:24 EDT 1996
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From: epierce@awinc.com (Eldon Pierce)
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	Does anyone out there have a diagram of the internal and/or 
external anatomy of a lamprey? Preferably a pacific lamprey or sea lamprey, 
but I imagine they are all fairly alike on the inside. If you have a diagram, 
and access to a scanner, you can attach the picture file to a e-mail and send 
it to my above address. Maybe someone knows about a website that has the 
required document? I looked but I couldn't find one. 
								Thanks!



From steve_atran@usa.pipeline.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:22 EDT 1996
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On Jun 08, 1996 02:44:16 in article <warfare and fisheries>,
'ilr@perth.DIALix.oz.au (Ian Rowe)' wrote: 
 
 
>Since some nations are dependent on fish as their main source of protein, 
>rather than upon animals, they would therefore be vulnerable in wartime to

>attack from this quarter. 
 
During World War II, it was dangerous for U.S. fishing vessels to travel
offshore because of patrolling German U-boats.  However, fish as a source
of food was a national priority.  Consequently, fishing regulations on
inshore waters were eased and inshore fisheries became heavily exploited. 
Here in Florida, mullet landings reached their all-time highs during World
War II.  Although this provided a needed source of protein during the war,
the fishing regulations were not reinstated after the war.  This resulted
in a long-term cyclic decline in mullet stocks that was not stopped until
the 1990', and only in the last few years have mullet stocks begun to
recover. 
 
>How vulnerable are oceanic fisheries to deliberate poisoning? 
 
In open oceans, I would think that currents and the sheer volume of water,
and the ability of fish to detect and swim away from contaminated water,
would make it  impracticable to attempt this type of attack.  Closed or
semi-closed bodies of water are a different story, however.  For example,
consider the consequences of accidental mercury poisoning off Japan. 
Fisheries that occur in enclosed areas, or fish stocks that are dependent
upon limited habitat for spawning and nursery areas, might also be
susceptible to such attack. 
 
>In particular, what are the mechanics for exterminating/contaminating a 
>fishery? 
 
That's a simple answer.  Overfishing and habitat degradation.  We've gotten
pretty good at depleting fish stocks.  It's restoring them that we're still
trying to get a handle on. 
 
>The explanation for this spreading was that adult pilchards 
>cannibalize their own kind so that they themselves are infected in turn.
Do 
>most fish (that humans eat) exhibit such poor species-survival  
>characteristics? 
 
Contrary to being a poor survival characteristic, it is a benefit.  It's
called compensatory mortality.  As the population increases in abundance,
survival rate from larval to adult decreases, often due to increased
cannibalism by the adults.   At high stock levels, this prevents the stock
>from  exceeding carrying capacity of the ecosystem, and balances mortality
against reproductive rates to establish an equilibrium.  At depleted stock
levels, it results in increased survival to allow stocks to recover.  In
your example of contaminated fish dying, it would be individuals who are
resistant to the contamination who who be most likely to survive, thus
building a natural resitance as well as recovering the stock. 
 
>If so, would not a nation dependent on such fisheries be vulnerable from
this 
>quarter in wartime? 
 
I think that it would take a very expensive and concerted effort to even
begin to approach deliberately the level of stress and destruction that we
inadvertantly subject stocks to every day through overfishing, pollution
and habitat degradation.  A nation trying to cut off it's enemy's supply of
seafood would probably be better advised to do so by attacking the fishing
fleet rather than the fishery resource, as the Germans did in World War II.

 
 
Steven Atran 
Population Dynamics Statistician 
Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council 



From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:22 EDT 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Sorry, don't have a scanner, but in my old undergraduate dissection book 
"Atlas and Dissection Guide for Comparative Anatomy", Saul Wischnitzer, 
W.H. Freeman and Company, San Francisco, 3rd Edition, 1979 (ISBN 
0-7167-0197-9). This book has complete internal and external drawings. 
Hope this is of some help. Maybe you might be able to find it at a 
Univesity library.

Lawrence
biodiver@loki.atcon.com




From bvklette@iafrica.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:22 EDT 1996
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Ryan Jordan wrote:
> 
> Ryan Jordan wrote:
> 
> > > You also cannot compare mortality rates between pond fish and
> > > river fish, as rivers are (usually) colder and flowing, placing
> > > more demands on the fish in terms of its ability to recovery
> > > from physical stress.
> 
> Sean Clancy replied:
> 
> > Why not?  Most of the trout in the rivers are those found in
> > surrounding lakes and ponds within particular watersheds ... Thus,  you can study the differences
> > between lakes and rivers if the fish are of the same population and both
> > habitats are accessible by the population in question.
> 
> I was not referring to any difference in strain or species, but
> one of environmental stresses related to the flow regime of a
> fish's habitat. Regardless of whether it is a pond fish or river
> fish that is released, that fish will have an easier time
> recovering in still water than in flowing water.
> 
> rJ

Generally speaking, trout recover faster in flowing water because of 
increase oxygen intake.  They also recover faster in their optimum 
temperature zones (Between 10 and 16 degrees celcius)

BvK


From patrick.flammarion@cemagref.fr Tue Jun 18 10:08:23 EDT 1996
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In article <4p7h6j$1oa@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> JPVIANA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Joao Paulo Viana) writes:
>From: JPVIANA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Joao Paulo Viana)
>Subject: Dissolved oxygen downstream from dams.
>Date: 6 Jun 1996 21:05:23 GMT

>Are there any regulations concerning dissolved oxygen levels in water released
>by North American dams? I have read several papers and books on downstream 
>effects of dams, which frequently mention alteration in thermal regime and gas 
>supersaturation, but I could not find any documented reference regarding low 
>DO values.

>The reason I am asking is that I recorded DO levels below 2 mg/l up 
>to 40 river kilometers downstream from a dam during half of the year in 
>Rondonia, brazilian Amazon, and I wonder if this sort of condition is found 
>elsewhere.

>Thanks in advance,

>Joao Paulo  





From jtolan@tiger.lsu.edu Tue Jun 18 10:08:23 EDT 1996
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From: jtolan@tiger.lsu.edu (James Marvin Tolan)
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Thats news to me?!?!
I would not worry about mercury in kingfish caught in the Gulf.

Jim T.



From cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Tue Jun 18 10:08:24 EDT 1996
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From: cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Craig John Mushens)
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I am conducting a study on a bull trout population, and I need to
be able to mark scales/otoliths for time marks for future
aging. Does anyone have any protocol (methods, dosages etc.) for
injection of OTC into trout (1kg - 5kg)?

Your help is greatly appreciated.

Craig Mushens
University of Calgary
cjmushen@acs.ucalgary.ca


From bz355@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jun 18 10:08:24 EDT 1996
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Greetings!

Is there an e-mail listserv or newsgroup specifically
geared towards fisheries jobs?  I already belong to 
ENVJOV (oops!)
ENVJOBS and ECOLOG_l but was wondering if there was 
wanything welse.

Thanks for your help.

Please email me as I wam unable to check these newsgroups
every day.

Jennifer Calhoun

--
Jennifer Calhoun
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From webmaster@mccrometer.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:24 EDT 1996
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From jjoy@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca Tue Jun 18 10:08:25 EDT 1996
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Question:  What does the International Law of the Sea say about a persons 
right to catch marine fish for their own consumption?  

Jon Joy


From Mackieaquacultur@tory.org.uk Tue Jun 18 10:08:25 EDT 1996
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In article <4phgan$a0i@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>, Craig John Mushens
<cjmushen@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> writes
>I am conducting a study on a bull trout population, and I need to
>be able to mark scales/otoliths for time marks for future
>aging. Does anyone have any protocol (methods, dosages etc.) for
>injection of OTC into trout (1kg - 5kg)?
>
>Your help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Craig Mushens
>University of Calgary
>cjmushen@acs.ucalgary.ca

-- This is a standard procedure on some brood stock sites to help control
disease.        Try contacting one of the major egg producers or contact Rob
Armstrong at the Salmon Health Consortium in Ottawa  fax 613  235 7012.   Dept
of Aquaculture, Stirling University, scotland, telephone UK 01786 473171 may
help.
James A. Mackie                         mackieaquacultur@tory.org.uk


From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:25 EDT 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Hi

As an East-coaster, I have all my notes and field guide books about 
"our" fishes.  I am interested to know more about fishes, inverts and 
algae off the West coast of North America. I can imagine there is a 
Peterson's field guide for some or all, yes?  Any tips would be greatly 
appreciated and can be e-mailed directly to me. For these Pacific flora 
and fauna I am interested in common and scientific names, and habitat 
preferences.  Many thanks in Advance.

Lawrence
biodiver@loki.atcon.com




From Granado@cica.es Tue Jun 18 10:08:26 EDT 1996
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I'm working in reservoirs and I use a Simrad EY-200P echosounder with HADAS 
program (Hydro Acoustic Data Acquisition System) to reproduce the echograms 
and to analyze our data.
My problems are:
1. How do I have to make the transects?
2. Is it necessary to repeat the same transect in order to obtain the sample 
error?
2. How do I have to analyze the transects (from a statistical viewpoint)? 
3. Can I use the mean from all transects?

Thank for all.

***************************************************

                    Carmelo Escot
               Universidad de Sevilla
                   Granado@cica.es

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From bindle@duke.usask.ca Tue Jun 18 10:08:26 EDT 1996
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From: David Bindle <bindle@duke.usask.ca>
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Can anyone suggest where I might find some information on Aquarium &
Exotic fish culture info and marketing data. This is for a large culture
operation in a development stage.

Thanks for any information. E-mail to: bindle@duke.usask.ca

Ken





From Simen.Gaure@math.uio.no Tue Jun 18 10:08:27 EDT 1996
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From: Simen.Gaure@math.uio.no (Simen Gaure)
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In article <4pmdc4$jo4@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, jjoy@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca
(Jonathan B. Joy) wrote:

  Question:  What does the International Law of the Sea say about a persons 
  right to catch marine fish for their own consumption?  
  
I think the Law of the Sea mostly regulates relations between
states, not between states and individuals, nor individual rights.
(Though I'm not an expert in legal matters.)

The "UN Convention on the Law of the Sea" is available at
<http://www.tufts.edu/departments/fletcher/multi/texts/BH825.txt>.

--
Simen Gaure, Department of Mathematics, University of Oslo


From zbych@kiel1.complex.com.pl Tue Jun 18 10:08:27 EDT 1996
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From: Zbigniew Szmigiero <zbych@kiel1.complex.com.pl>
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I searching information and pictures of species from Myxine


From YAPR33B@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:27 EDT 1996
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From: YAPR33B@prodigy.com (Michael Kowalewski)
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I'm planning on going back to school to study ichthyology; anyone got any 
info on schools for this?

thanks,

Michael
YAPR33B@prodigy.com



From staleyr Tue Jun 18 10:08:28 EDT 1996
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From: Robert W Staley <staleyr>
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Subject: Re: Pacific Fishes off North America
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There is a Petersons Guide to Pacific Coast Fishes, I forget the number of the
book though. I am sure that if you can obtain a copy of any other Peterson
Field Guide book, on the inside cover they have a list of the books in the
series and an address to write to order a book. Other than that, there is a
great N.A. Shark book written by a gentleman from Texas A&M and the Univ. of
Washington puts out serveral publications on Pacific Coast Fishes and
Rockfishes. Hope this was a help.

Robert Staley
staleyr@ecn.purdue.edu
Purdue Department of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences
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From elcoyotero@aol.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:28 EDT 1996
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From: elcoyotero@aol.com (ElCoyotero)
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Basically you can scale down a lobster or crab pot.  However, I've found
it much easier to use the readily available mesh minnow traps.  These wire
mesh traps come in two sections, each a truncated cone, and are about a
foot long and half that much in diameter.  (Mine are out in the shed, and
I don't want to pay AOL bad enought to go get an accurate measurement. 
Sorry).  They run about $10 at most bait and tackle stores, and Wal-Mart
also carries them on occasion.  The V-shaped opening can be modified for
size selective operation, and you can also make a smaller trap inside for
the same purpose.  I've had great success with these traps, and heartily
recommend them.  ( I found out they were great crawdad traps when the
little buggers would get into them and scarf up the bait I was using for
darters, etc.)  If you position the traps right, bait is not needed. 
Crayfish will enter through their own volition when foraging about,
especially at night.

Jesse M. Purvis, Ph.D.
Rockfish Environmental Consultants
P. O. Box 248
Sterling, VA  20167


From rhayman@sos.net Tue Jun 18 10:08:29 EDT 1996
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Check with the AMERICAN FISHERIES SOCIETY, they have a jobs bulletin and a WEB site!



From ddroney@iol.ie Tue Jun 18 10:08:29 EDT 1996
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From: Declan Droney <ddroney@iol.ie>
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Hi You could get some information from 
BIM The Irish Sea Fisheries Board
Dun Laoghaire 
Co Dublin 
Ireland

best of luck
Declan

ps If you have any information on Oyster Smoking methods I would be 
grateful  




From aj@axis.jeack.com.au Tue Jun 18 10:08:29 EDT 1996
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at what frequency do fish communicate at?


From dshoup@Phoenix.kent.edu Tue Jun 18 10:08:30 EDT 1996
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From: dshoup@Phoenix.kent.edu (Daniel Shoup)
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kevin patterson (kevinpa@arctic.ca) wrote:
: I wonder if someone could help me. I am looking for a succint 
: explanation of schooling behaviour in fish. It baffles me; I can 
: understand co-operative hunting beahviour in for instance, orcas, but 
: what advantage is conferred upon say, a ball of tom cod a hundred metres 
: in diameter? Surely the chances of a fish in the interior seeing 
: anything edible must be low? And as far as protection against predators: 
: on a species wide level, wouldn't fewer tom cod get eaten if they were 
: dispersed? In infantry school the first thing they tell you is 'don't 
: bunch up.'

: If anyone can help, please e-mail me at Kevinpa@arctic.ca


Actually, the "bunching up" is what provides the antipredator
mechanism.  Most piscivorous fish are highly visual and need to key in
on a single individual to attack.  This is very tough to do in a dense
school.  This causes what is called the "confusion effect" (see
article by Landeau & terborgh, 1986 "Oddity and the 'confusion effect'
in predation" Anim. Behav. 34:1372-1380).  While the predator has no
trouble locating food, its success rate at capturing food drops
tremendously. Hope this helps.

Dan
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Daniel E. Shoup                                                               
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Kent State University                                                         
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From Rayzor@sos.on.ca Tue Jun 18 10:08:30 EDT 1996
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Sorry, just a test post.



From fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:30 EDT 1996
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From: fishsave@nyc.pipeline.com(Stephen Sloan)
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If you would like to discuss fishery matters on my radio show 
please e-mail me or call the show as follows: 
Hi: Listen to our radio show,The Fishin' Zone, that broadcasts every
Saturday morning from 6-7 am. Eastern time on 84 stations to over 600
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We have a "troll" free number 1-800-298-8255. Call us and let's talk some
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From sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Tue Jun 18 10:08:31 EDT 1996
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From: Sean Clancy <sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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On 17 Jun 1996, Daniel Shoup wrote:

> 
> Actually, the "bunching up" is what provides the antipredator
> mechanism.  Most piscivorous fish are highly visual and need to key in
> on a single individual to attack.  This is very tough to do in a dense
> school.  This causes what is called the "confusion effect" (see
> article by Landeau & terborgh, 1986 "Oddity and the 'confusion effect'
> in predation" Anim. Behav. 34:1372-1380).  While the predator has no
> trouble locating food, its success rate at capturing food drops
> tremendously. Hope this helps.
> 
	Why then do piscivorous fish (such as the North Atlantic Cod) 
tend to display shoaling behavior and "bunch up"?  Also why are fish 
such as herring(Alosa spp.) and capelin(Mallotus(?) spp) found in large 
schools while in the absence of predators?  There are many 
instances in fresh water environment which lack key predatory fish and 
still contain species that shoal (school).  
	Anti predatory defense mechanisms are not the only reasons why 
fish display "bunching up" schooling (shoaling) behaviour.

my $0.02 worth

sean


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From dps@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Jun 18 10:08:31 EDT 1996
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Hello All:

I'm soon to get involved in an assessment of rockfish numbers in a proposed 
marine reserve area. Since it has been some time since the last time I did any 
SCUBA fish stock assessments, I thought I'd check an see what the current 
preferred methods were. Anyone doing these sorts of surveys? Any preferred 
methods, stat refs? Thanks in advance!

Pat Shaw
dps@mindlink.bc.ca


From elcoyotero@aol.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:31 EDT 1996
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From: elcoyotero@aol.com (ElCoyotero)
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Subject: Re: Pacific Fishes off North America
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Hi (again, maybe?)
     I started to respond to this a couple of days ago, but something came
up and I had to log-off in the middle of writing my post.  Therefore I
don't know if any of it came through (but since I don't see it on my
listing it probably didn't), and so preemptory apologies for duplicate
posting if such is the case.
     In no particular order:

Hart, J. F. L.  1982.  Crabs and their relative of British Columbia. 
Handbook 40, BC Prov. Mus., Victoria, BC.  267 pp.  (pocket-sized
paperback; good keys, line drawings, some (watercolor?) plates).

Smith, R. I. and J. T. Carlton.  1975.  Light's manual - Intertidal
invertebrates of central California.  Univ. of CA Press, Berekely, CA. 
716 pp.  (hardback; updated classic)

Fitch, J. E. and R. J. Lavenburg.  1971.  California marine food and game
fishes.  U. of CA Press, Berkeley, CA.  179 pp.  (pocket-sized paperback;
was $5.95 in 1986; somewhat limited coverage; good line drawings, so-so
photographs).

Miller, D. J. and R. N. Lea.  1972.  Guide to the coastal marine fishes of
California.  Fish Bulletin 157, California Department of Fish and Game,
Sacramento, CA.  235 pp.  (paperback; keys to family level, rest of ID by
description, decent line drawings, excellent references).

Hart, J. L.  1973.  Pacific fishes of Canada.  Bulletin 18, Fisheries
Research Board of Canada, Ottawa, ONT.  740 pp.  (hardback; superb book,
but more suited for lab use than in the field;  was less than $10 when
new, and is probably still relatively inexpensive, a good bargain, and a
must have if your at all serious about N. Pacific fishes; great keys and
descriptions, good line drawings, and a few color plates (mostly
Salmonidae).  Note that the Fisheries Research Board of Canada is now
known as Fisheries and Oceans Canada, or something like that.

     Good luck,
     Jesse M. Purvis, Ph.D.
     Aquatic/Watershed Ecologist


From kenyarb@earthisland.org Tue Jun 18 10:08:32 EDT 1996
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From: kenyarb@earthisland.org (Ken Yarborough- Earth Island Institute)
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Scientists Speak Out Against Dolphin Death Act

Lapses in Congressional Testimony Cited

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - June 12, 1996
 
Contacts: David Phillips
Mark J. Palmer
(415) 788-3666

Dr. Albert Myrick
(619) 286-0561

Dr. John Hall
(510) 937-1556

Two prominent marine mammal scientists  are speaking out against
misleading and discredited testimony made by supporters of H.R.2823 and
S.1420, bills labeled by opponents as the "Dolphin Death Act." This
legislation will in fact harm dolphins and do nothing to protect other
species in the fishery, such as sea turtles and immature tuna, according
to these scientists. They have been joined by a third scientist, a member
of the National Academy of Scientists tuna/dolphin panel, in denouncing
the proposed evisceration of dolphin protection laws.

H.R.2823 by Representatives Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD) [phone 202-225-5311,
fax 202-225-0254 ] and Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA) [phone 202-225-5452]
and S.1420 by Senators Ted Stevens (R-AK) [email:
senator_stevens@stevens.senate.gov] and John Breaux
[email:senator@breaux.senate.gov] (R-LA) would seriously weaken U.S.
dolphin protection laws by lifting the embargo against imports and allow
sales of dolphin-deadly tuna while changing the federal definition of
"dolphin safe" to allow chasing, harassing, injuring and encircling
dolphins with nets, as long as no dolphins were "observed" killed
outright. H.R.2823 was approved in May by the House Resources Committee;
S.1420 was approved on voice vote Thursday, June 6th, by the Senate
Commerce Committee.

In recent Congressional hearings, supporters of H.R.2823 and S.1420,
including the U.S. Department of State and the organization Center for
Marine Conservation, have argued that the new definition to allow chase
and encirclement would not harm dolphins and that setting tuna nets
deliberately on schools of dolphins would avoid harming other species such
as sea turtles and immature tuna.

But Dr. Albert Myrick Jr. and Dr. John Hall contend these statements are
couched in dubious science and hence make serious errors.

Dr. Albert Myrick, the author of extensive field studies on the traumatic
effects of chase and capture on wild dolphins, submitted in a written
statement to Congress: "...the (Center for Marine Conservation) testimony
is a particularly excellent example of criticism that is irresponsible,
illegitimate, and unprofessional. It has misrepresented the evidence by
the use of reporting errors, omissions, and misstatements and cavalier
disposition of important pieces of research reports..."

Myrick points out that: "Although these studies have not yet provided
definitive answers concerning the full extent to which (Eastern Tropical
Pacific Ocean) dolphins have been and continue to be affected, their
results implicate fishery stress as being associated with dolphin dental
resorption, hypocalcemia, delayed sexual maturity and reduced pregnancy
rates, darkened adrenal cortices and non-entanglement mortality, and
enhanced analgesic behavior in the nets."

Myrick concludes that: "If the dolphins died from stress in the nets, then
at least some would be expected to have died before they reached the nets
(and sank unobserved). Furthermore, additional stress mortalities would be
expected to have occurred among dolphins after their release from the
nets."

Dr. John Hall, a marine mammal specialist and active fisherman, in a
letter to President Bill Clinton, disputed the claims that setting nets on
schools of dolphins would protect other species: "As a marine biologist
who has been involved in the eastern tropical Pacific tuna fishery for
almost 30 years (since 1970) I want to assure you that implementing the
Panama Declaration through H.R.2823 and S.1420 will NOT reduce bycatch
(dolphins, fish and sea turtles) in the tuna purse seine fishery."

"In order to reduce bycatch of fish and sea turtles," Dr. Hall's letter
continues, "we need to work to close those areas of the Gulf of Panama to
purse seining during that portion of the year when small tuna are most
prevalent there."

"Signing a bill based on H.R.2823 and S.1420 ... will result in the deaths
of tens of thousands of additional dolphins and untold mortalities of
fish, sharks and sea turtles," Dr. Hall concluded.

In an earlier statement, Dr. Roger Payne, who has studied whales and
dolphins around the world as President of the Whale Conservation
Institute, contends that: "I feel strongly that any legislation which
fosters or legitimizes the practice of setting nets on dolphins is wrong
... The new definition (of Dolphin Safe) ignores the effects on dolphins
of direct injuries, as well as the physiological effects from stress of
repeated capture."

Over 7 million dolphins have been killed in the tuna fishery in the past
three decades. Dolphin safe laws of the United States have helped reduce
the deliberate targeting and killing of dolphins in the tuna fishery. As
these scientists attest, the arguments for changing the definition of
dolphin safe or for allowing continued encirclement of dolphins have no
valid scientific basis.

*****************

Earth Island Institute is a nonprofit environmental organization that has
been active in marine mammal conservation since 1988. The International
Marine Mammal Project of Earth Island Institute works to protect dolphins,
whales, and other marine mammals around the world.

VIDEO AVAILABLE: Video footage of wild dolphins and the deadly effects of purse
seine tuna nets on dolphins is available.

*****************

International Marine Mammal Project
Earth Island Institute
300 Broadway, Suite 28
San Francisco, CA 94133
tel.: (415) 788-3666 fax: (415) 788-7324
email: marinemammal@igc.apc.org
http://www.earthisland.org/

-- 
Earth Island Institute
Ken Yarborough
http://www.earthisland.org/


From quentin@pavilion.co.uk Tue Jun 18 10:08:32 EDT 1996
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Issue 3 of Fishing Boats and Gear, the commercial fishing magazine in PDF
format, bursting at the selvedges with fascinating stuff, is now
available. 
Contact quentin@pavilion.co.uk if you'd like to see it (it's around 600k),
or have a look at 
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From kenyarb@earthisland.org Tue Jun 18 10:08:32 EDT 1996
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From: kenyarb@earthisland.org (Ken Yarborough- Earth Island Institute)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Dolphin Tuna Call-in Week
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:57:16 -0800
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DOLPHION SAFE / FAIR TRADE CAMPAIGN

SAVE THE DOLPHINS!
NATIONAL CALL-IN WEEK
JUNE 17-21

Mark you calendars to make these important calls. Efforts by the Mexican
government, the Clinton Administration, and five so-called conservation
groups have resulted in DOLPHIN-DEADLY legislation that may BE VOTED ON
ANY DAY. H.R.2823 AND S.1420 are bad bills that would redefine
"dolphin-Safe" to allow chase, capture and encirclement in mile-long purse
sein nets. Tuna cans would deceptively display the dolphin-safe label even
if dolphins were severely injured or died as a result of tuna fishing.

U.S. Senators Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Joe Biden (D-DE), introduced a good
bill S.1460 to counter the above bills. In the House H.R. 2856 is the
counterpart to the good senate bill.  These good bills won't allow a
change in the definition, or a return to chase and encirclement.

* Please call your U.S. Senators at the U.S. Capitol Switchboard
202-224-3121 and tell them to OPPOSE S.1420 and support S.1460

* Call your Congressperson at 202-225-3121 and tell them to reject H.R,
2823 and support H.R. 2856

* Call Newt Gingrich, House Speaker at 202-225-0600 and tell him the same
thing, he can stop H.R. 2823

* Call the President at 202-456-1111 and tell him to withdraw his support
for the dolphin-death bills S.1420/H.R. 2823.

If you don't know your U.S. Rep, call local library or the board of
elections. For more information: contact

Humane Society of the U.S. 
2100 L Street, NW 
Washington D.C. 
tel.: 202-452-1100

International Marine Mammal Project
Earth Island Institute
300 Broadway, Suite 28
San Francisco, CA 94133
tel.: (415) 788-3666 fax: (415) 788-7324
email: marinemammal@igc.apc.org
WWW: http://www.earthisland.org/


This effort is backed by 85 environmental, trade, consumer and animal
protection groups nationwide.

-- 
Earth Island Institute
Ken Yarborough
http://www.earthisland.org/


From flconnor@aol.com Tue Jun 18 10:08:33 EDT 1996
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From: flconnor@aol.com (Flconnor)
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<<<I wonder if someone could help me. I am looking for a succint 
explanation of schooling behaviour in fish. It baffles me; I can 
[snip]
dispersed? In infantry school the first thing they tell you is 'don't 
bunch up.'>>>

Another post mentioned some other reasons for schooling behavior.  As far
as predator avoidance, schooling does decrease the probability of being
consumed in many species.  The enemy rifleman (predator) in your infantry
example has evolved (been trained) to maximize the number of kills without
considering saitiation.  This behavior is not well adapted in a real
predator.  It's the same principle that a good parasite doesn't kill its
host.  A pedator that kills much more than it can consume will eventually
deplete the prey to the point that the predator will starve.  Naturally
evolving predators rarely kill indiscriminantly beyond the point of
saitiation.  Therefore, if you are prey and are in a large group, a
predator will consume some individuals in the group, but most individuals
escape.  If you were a lone prey item encountering a predator, you would
have a higher probability of being consumed than if your were part of a
gorup of 100,000.


From mssievers@aol.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:28 EDT 1996
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     This is an interesting and useful News Group.  However, I wonder if
it is too broad and should be segmented into other narrower more focused
groupes like 
commercial shrimp aquaculture, etc..    Thoughts?......or are there  other
groups out there that I am not aware of?     


From dhughes@tyler.net Sun Jul  7 14:51:29 EDT 1996
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From: dhughes@tyler.net (David Hughes)
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I have been recently appointed to serve on a lake committee for a small 
lake in North East Texas (175 acres with depth up to 25 feet)  For 
several years we have been pursuing an agressive fertilization program 
which most fish biologists recommend.  however, this has created a huge 
problem of filamentous algae.  We have used Cutrine, but because of the 
vast amound of this algae, this has not been successful, and I 
understand that to use the needed amount of Cutrine, we could damage 
the fish population.  We are now considering introducing Mozambique 
Tilapia.  I would be most interested in hearing from some that have had 
the same experience with algae and how you have controlled it.  Also 
would like to hear from anyone with knowledge about this tilapia.
David -- Tyler TX   Dhughes@Tyler.net




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On 29 May 1996 12:41:59 GMT, crenna@pogo.den.mmc.com (Chris Nmi Renna)
wrote:

(snip)

>>With all due respect, your theory is fatally flawed.  
>>It only makes sense when all things are equal, that is
>>the C&R guys and C&K guys fish the same amount of time.
>
>Do you have any statistics to show that C&R fisherman fish,
>on average, many more hours than C&K fishermen? I'd really be
>interested if you do. I'd agree with you if you could
>show me that the C&R guys fish on the order of 2 to 10 times
>as much. My experience is that there are few
>strictly C&K or C&R folks out there. So I can't really say
>that I know of any real difference in the number of hours
>that one group or the other spends fishing.

(snip)

>I apologize if my questions about statistics have been answered previously.
>I am fairly new to this debate.
>
>>TimW
>
>Christopher Renna


With regards to C&K and C&R, I would like to suggest the following...

"Once the whole is divided the parts demand names...wise is the one
who embraces the whole" 
-Anon.

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R/

cedro wooley
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From timadams@aol.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:29 EDT 1996
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From: timadams@aol.com (TimAdams)
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Addresses for Pacific Island government fisheries departments (and several
other countries besides) can be obtained from the South Pacific
Commission's directory of addresses useful to Pacific Island fisheries
workers. If this is of any interest, contact Jean-Paul Gaudechoux, SPC's
Fisheries Information Officer (JPG@SPC.ORG.NC) for a copy. Unfortunately
it is only available in hard copy at present.

Addresses for Commonwealth fisheries departments are in a directory
compiled by Semisi Fakahau, Senior Project Officer at the Commonwealth
Secretariat in London. Sorry I don't have an email or even a postal
address right here, but it is a fairly well-known organisation :-)

One word of warning. Unsolicited requests for employment are usually
received less-than-enthusiastically by these departments, unless you just
happen to hit them at a time when a vacancy is imminent. The proportion of
vacancies that can be filled by non-locals is not large anyway,
particularly when overseas recruitment fares have to be paid. If you are
not hoping for an expatriate lifestyle then be sure to make it clear that
you are prepared to work for the local salary, and even to make your own
way to the country, since these are major stumbling blocks to employing
non-locals (particularly inexperienced non-locals) in line positions.

If you are already an expert, wanting expert remuneration, fully funded
expatriate positions will be advertised anyway in the country which is
putting up the money (eg Australia).

By the way, very few Pacific Island fisheries departments have email
facilities, since there are no Internet service providers in most Pacific
Island countries. Those who have email do it on a manually-mediated
dial-up system via PeaceSat. The Forum Fisheries Agency (try
albertc@ffa.gov.sb) or South Pacific Commission (try alb@spc.org.nc) are
currently focal points for organising PeaceSat e-mail to Pacific Island
fisheries departments, and will tell you which departments are currently
contactable.

Tim Adams
Fisheries Resource Adviser
South Pacific Commission


From ridgeway@dibbs.net Sun Jul  7 14:51:30 EDT 1996
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From: "Bob Ridgeway" <ridgeway@dibbs.net>
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Subject: Catfish mass deaths
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Does anyone know the latest theory on the mass deaths of hard-head catfish
along the nothern Gulf of Mexico?
-- 
The shortest distance between two points is a infinite series of other
points.



From brett3@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:30 EDT 1996
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In <01bb6163.03862480$3bf888ce@ridgeway.dibbs.net> "Bob Ridgeway"
<ridgeway@dibbs.net> writes: 
>
>Does anyone know the latest theory on the mass deaths of hard-head
catfish
>along the nothern Gulf of Mexico?
>-- 
>The shortest distance between two points is a infinite series of other
>points.
>
I live on the coast (about 10 miles inland as the crow flies) between
Galveston and Freeport.  Took my family to the beach at Surfside last
weekend and no dead catfish, in fact, I caught several of the spiny
boogers on my surf rod.  The theory that I've heard on the news (must
be true if its on the news, huh?) is an ameobic parasite is causing the
deaths of two species in the sea catfish family (Bagridae).  They are
hardheads (aka TRs or turd rustlers, not my name, a local term I
geauss) and gaftopsail catfish (called gaftops aroud here).  Sorry,
don't know the scientific names.  I haven't tried calling the local
marine agent, but I bet he has the latest theory.  If somebody wishes
to pursue another information source than usenet, they might try
calling the Brazoria County Courthouse in Angleton, Texas and asking
for the marine agent, Charles Moss, if anybody knows, he does.  Hope
this helps,

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html


From vertay@aol.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:30 EDT 1996
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From: vertay@aol.com (Vertay)
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We have had a similar (tho smaller scale) die-off along the Indian River
Lagoon (east central Florida)- in tributaries (brackish) to the Lagoon. 
Some 1000-2000 dead in the St. Sebastian River (Brevard County).  The
local environmental regulators are fingering low DO's (none taken) and
claiming that catfish (being bottom dwellers ) cannot escape.  There have
been no other species impacted.  Seems unlikey that DO is the culprit?
D. Scott Taylor


From carle@uns.umnw.ethz.ch Sun Jul  7 14:51:31 EDT 1996
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From: Gian Carle <carle@uns.umnw.ethz.ch>
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Thats an announcement and not the questionnaire itself !!!!



ENVIRONMENTAL Internet SURVEY

http://www.umnw.ethz.ch/Students/survey/welcome.html


University term paper in the field of Social Studies " Media and 
Public Work in Science and  Environmental Protection"

I am currently working on the University term pater "Internet and
Environment". Our aim is to establish the manner in which the Internet 
is used by people interested in environmental issues.

    1.What is the quality rating of environmental information?
    2.How userfriendly is the Internet in the fields of environment 
	     and ecology?
    3.Which are your requirements in the field of environmental 
      issues?
    4.Where do you see problems in this respect?

Please take around 10 minutes to answer the questionnaire on the 
following page. Thank you for transmitting this link to your 
environmental colleagues.

english version:
http://www.umnw.ethz.ch/Students/survey/welcome.html

Deutsche Version:
http://www.umnw.ethz.ch/Students/survey/welcomeg.html

Version francaise:
http://www.umnw.ethz.ch/Students/survey/welcomef.html



Thank you very much for your help and for filling out the survey. 
Please fill-it also out if some questions are too difficult to answer 
for you!!! 


Gian Carle

carle@uns.umnw.ethz.ch


From rhayman@sos.net Sun Jul  7 14:51:31 EDT 1996
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To: ian.napier@nafc.ac.uk

Try 
FLOY TAG & MFG CO., INC
4616 UNION BAY PLACE NE
SEATTLE, WA  98105
USA

(206)524-2700
FAX: (206)524-8260




From mbaltzly@apsc.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:32 EDT 1996
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From: mbaltzly@apsc.com (Michael Baltzly)
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zep4@aol.com (Zep 4) wrote:

>Does anyone know if sheepshead minnow, Cyprinodon variegatus, change sex.
>I was told that they will change from female to male as they get older.
>Any info on subject would be greatly appreciated.

>Chris

I am somewhat familiar with the literature on  pupfishes,  genus
_Cyprinodon_, and I have never seen a report of sex reversal.
Juveniles of most pupfish species look almost exactly like adult
females, so what looks like sex reversal might just be the normal
maturation of large juvenile male that was misidentified as a female.
I have seen some male desert pupfish, _C._ macularius, that were as
large as adult females before they started becoming deep bodied and
blue.

Mike



From cookj@landcare.cri.nz Sun Jul  7 14:51:32 EDT 1996
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From: cookj@landcare.cri.nz (Jeremy Cook)
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In article <4q8gil$fb@roch.zetnet.co.uk> shet.fish.news@zetnet.co.uk (Shetland Fishing News Ltd) writes:
>From: shet.fish.news@zetnet.co.uk (Shetland Fishing News Ltd)
>Subject: Shetland Fishing News
>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:14:42 +0100


>The Shetland Fishing News has moved into this century and now has 
>e-mail capabilities and has plans to create a web page.

>Sylvia Jamieson.
>Editor

Yes, I read (was it in New Scientist?) that the Shetlands were 
technically coming along in leaps and bounds. Great to hear. What are the main 
annual catches for the fishermen?

Jeremy




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From: dolish@io.org (Rick Dolishny)
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The Outdoor Journal is an exciting half hour television show highlighting 
Outdoor Adventures across the globe. We are currently seeking outdoors 
enthusiasts with some television experience to act as 'Field Producers' 
and/or 'Segment Hosts'.

We're based in the Toronto, Canada area but you can be from...anywhere!

If you are interested learning more about our show, and how you can be 
a part of it, please email us:

  journal@io.org, or,
  dolish@io.org

Don't be alarmed if your mail 'bounces back' at first - we're just 
setting up the new account now. Looking forward to hearing from you!

                                   -=-

                      Rick Dolishny - dolish@io.org  
               Graphics & Animation - the Outdoor Journal
                         voice: (905) 571-3223


From adam@imaginet.fr Sun Jul  7 14:51:33 EDT 1996
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From: adam@imaginet.fr (Adam Hamzah)
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Subject: Information on Aquaculture
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Could anyone direct or recommed me any information concerning aquaculture
and mariculture farming. Either economic/business information on the steps
and experiences on setting on up or the enviromental aspects of such
ventures.

Any help much appreciated. Thanking you in advance.
Adam


From efor-ped@imo.qc.ca Sun Jul  7 14:51:33 EDT 1996
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From: efor-ped@imo.qc.ca (Barbe Rousse)
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Subject: Age determination
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I have to determine the age of yellow perch speciemens. Is there anybody
who know how i should proceed (otoliths, scales, vertebraes etc.)?

Thanks in advance

Eric Forcier

efor-ped@imo.qc.ca


From chauncey@usgs.gov Sun Jul  7 14:51:34 EDT 1996
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From: chauncey@usgs.gov (Chauncey W. Anderson)
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In article <6177cc$11112.6f@news.tyler.net>, dhughes@tyler.net (David Hughes) writes:
> I have been recently appointed to serve on a lake committee for a small 
> lake in North East Texas (175 acres with depth up to 25 feet)  For 
> several years we have been pursuing an agressive fertilization program 
> which most fish biologists recommend.  however, this has created a huge 
> problem of filamentous algae.  We have used Cutrine, but because of the 
> vast amound of this algae, this has not been successful, and I 
> understand that to use the needed amount of Cutrine, we could damage 
> the fish population.  We are now considering introducing Mozambique 
> Tilapia.  I would be most interested in hearing from some that have had 
> the same experience with algae and how you have controlled it.  Also 
> would like to hear from anyone with knowledge about this tilapia.
> David -- Tyler TX   Dhughes@Tyler.net
> 
> 

I would hate to see you introduce another species to take care of a
problem (filamentous algae ) that was created (aggressive
fertilization) to take care of another "problem" (not enough fish) to
satisfy the fish biologists. These measures just begin to snowball. I
hate to say it but it looks like fertilization was not a well thought
out action -- anyone can tell you that aggressively fertilizing a lake
will lead to algae problems. Fish biologists know this too (usually).

My suggestion would be to cut back (as much as possible) on the
fertilization program.  Hopefully your lake is such that the nutrients
will eventually be exported and the algae might go away.  Some further
investigations would be warranted, however.  

Chauncey Anderson, Hydrologist 	      e-mail:chauncey@usgs.gov
USGS-WRD			      tel: (503) 251 - 3206
10615 SE Cherry Blossom Dr.           FAX: (503) 251 - 3470
Portland, OR  97216                   http://wwworegon.wr.usgs.gov/index.html



From sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Sun Jul  7 14:51:34 EDT 1996
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From: Sean Clancy <sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Barbe Rousse wrote:

> I have to determine the age of yellow perch speciemens. Is there anybody
> who know how i should proceed (otoliths, scales, vertebraes etc.)?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Eric Forcier
> 
> efor-ped@imo.qc.ca
> 
> 
Your best bet is to look at the otoliths.  Scales of the Yellow Perch are 
somewhat troublesome.

You may want to contact the Canadian Centre for Inland Waters,  they may 
have some information.

sean.

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From brett3@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:34 EDT 1996
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
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Subject: Re: Filamentous Algae problem
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In <4qpb1n$t2h@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> chauncey@usgs.gov (Chauncey W.
Anderson) writes: 
>
>
>In article <6177cc$11112.6f@news.tyler.net>, dhughes@tyler.net (David
Hughes) writes:
>> I have been recently appointed to serve on a lake committee for a small

>> lake in North East Texas (175 acres with depth up to 25 feet)  For 
>> several years we have been pursuing an agressive fertilization program 
>> which most fish biologists recommend.  however, this has created a huge

>> problem of filamentous algae.  We have used Cutrine, but because of the

>> vast amound of this algae, this has not been successful, and I 
>> understand that to use the needed amount of Cutrine, we could damage 
>> the fish population.  We are now considering introducing Mozambique 
>> Tilapia.  I would be most interested in hearing from some that have had

>> the same experience with algae and how you have controlled it.  Also 
>> would like to hear from anyone with knowledge about this tilapia.
>> David -- Tyler TX   Dhughes@Tyler.net
>> 
>> 
>
>I would hate to see you introduce another species to take care of a
>problem (filamentous algae ) that was created (aggressive
>fertilization) to take care of another "problem" (not enough fish) to
>satisfy the fish biologists. These measures just begin to snowball. I
>hate to say it but it looks like fertilization was not a well thought
>out action -- anyone can tell you that aggressively fertilizing a lake
>will lead to algae problems. Fish biologists know this too (usually).
>
>My suggestion would be to cut back (as much as possible) on the
>fertilization program.  Hopefully your lake is such that the nutrients
>will eventually be exported and the algae might go away.  Some further
>investigations would be warranted, however.  
>
>Chauncey Anderson, Hydrologist 	      e-mail:chauncey@usgs.gov
>USGS-WRD			      tel: (503) 251 - 3206
>10615 SE Cherry Blossom Dr.           FAX: (503) 251 - 3470
>Portland, OR  97216                  
http://wwworegon.wr.usgs.gov/index.html
>
David,

Have you called the Texas A&M Extension Service and asked them for help? 
They have an office near you in Overton.

Tilapia mossambique will not control filamentous algae.  They are a good
forage species for bass, and will enhance the growth and standing crop of
bass in your lake, but won't control algae.  Other tilapia species might
help with algea, but are not yet re-legalized in Texas.  The best for that
purpose would be T. zillii, also a great forage for bass.  The cutrine you
mentioned will work pretty well, but is pricey and lots of work to put
out.  Grass carp will also control algae, as long as there is not much
else for them to eat in the lake.  They are not a quick fix, and usually
take a year or more to become effective.  Fertilizing your lake is a good
idea, but a tricky proposition at best.  You must fertilize early in
the spring and stop as water temps go above 70 or so.  I assume you
have a threadfin shad stocking program along with your fertilization? 
Also, have you limed the lake in recent years?  

There are also several other herbicides you might want to investigate
for algae control.  The best one being diquat dibromide, it comes in
several trade names, including Diquat and Reward.  It is best to get a
licensed applicator to put this and cutrine or other chemical controls
out effectively.  I know a good biologist in your area and if you
e-mail to me, I'll send his name and number to you.  He deals with lots
of lakes in your area and might have a good answer.

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html


From ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:35 EDT 1996
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From: Masaaki Ishida <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
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Subject: Whaling Web Page.
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:51:14 +0900
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Whaling Information from Japan (most contents are in English, but a few
are in Japanese).

   http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html

M. ishida


From dguill@tamu.edu Sun Jul  7 14:51:35 EDT 1996
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From: dguill@tamu.edu (D. Jarret Guill Jr.)
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Subject: Red Drum / Redfish in a Aquarium?
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 02:56:24 GMT
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	I am trying to collect information about raising Red drum/Redfish 
     (Sciaenops ocellatus) in an aquarium.  Can juvenile redfish thrive in 
     an aquarium either fresh or saltwater?  Can they tolerate other fish 
     in the aquarium or are they super aggressive like largemouth bass are 
     in captivity?  I would like to set up a 29 gal aquarium with several 
     small juvenile redfish and release them after they become to large for

     the tank.  I live in Texas and make frequent trips to the Gulf of 
     Mexico, so release would be easy.  From my initial readings Redfish 
     aquaculture is an emerging industry.  I also know of freshwater lakes 
     in Texas that have Redfish stocks.  Any information would be 
     appreciated.
     
     Thanks,
     
     Jarret Guill  
     dguill@tamu.edu




From pam@baywatch.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:35 EDT 1996
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To: johannes_gotowos@public.uni-hamburg.de

Hy Johannes,

how are You ?


pam



From pam@baywatch.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:33 EDT 1996
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To: johannes_gotowos@public.uni-hamburg.de

Hy Johannes,

how are You ?


pam



From brett3@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:33 EDT 1996
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
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Subject: Re: Red Drum / Redfish in a Aquarium?
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In <31d1f84b.55499109@newshost.cyberramp.net> dguill@tamu.edu (D. Jarret
Guill Jr.) writes: 
>
>	I am trying to collect information about raising Red drum/Redfish 
>     (Sciaenops ocellatus) in an aquarium.  Can juvenile redfish thrive in

>     an aquarium either fresh or saltwater?  Can they tolerate other fish 
>     in the aquarium or are they super aggressive like largemouth bass are

>     in captivity?  I would like to set up a 29 gal aquarium with several 
>     small juvenile redfish and release them after they become to large
for
>
>     the tank.  I live in Texas and make frequent trips to the Gulf of 
>     Mexico, so release would be easy.  From my initial readings Redfish 
>     aquaculture is an emerging industry.  I also know of freshwater lakes

>     in Texas that have Redfish stocks.  Any information would be 
>     appreciated.
>     
>     Thanks,
>     
>     Jarret Guill  
>     dguill@tamu.edu
>
>
Jarret,

Gig 'Em Aggies!  I'm class of '80.  I've kept redfish in an aquarium for a
long time.  They will do fine in a freshwater aquarium if there is enough
chlorides in the water, and enough hardness (about 150 ppm or so each, more
is better).  I know redfish have been stocked for years in Lakes Calaveras
and Victor Braunig near San Antonio and Fairfield Lake, probably many
others.  Several big redfish farms are around also.  

Redfish will eat pellets, but really like live food such as minnows,
crawfish, shrimp, etc.  Mine lived with largemouth bass, hybrid stripers,
blue cats, and other fishes I brought home from work at a hatchery.  

It is illegal to capture juvenile redfish from lakes or bays.  You must
purchase them from a hatchery and keep the paperwork proving that you got
them from a farm.  

I haven't kept any redfish in a long time, when I did, I had them in a
55 gallon tank.  I now have two peacock bass (Cichla ocellaris) in a
250 gallon tank.  My theory of aquariums is to have a big tank, few
fish,don't feed them too much, and clean the tank twice a year if it
needs it or not.

If you want to get some fingerling redfish, try calling Harvest Fresh
Seafood in Bacliff, Texas (South of Houston on Trinity Bay).  I bet
they can get you a few, and thier farm is bad to the bone.  

Good luck,

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html


From ghays@metrolink.net Sun Jul  7 14:51:34 EDT 1996
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From: ghays <ghays@metrolink.net>
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Vertay wrote:
>  We have had a similar (tho smaller scale) die-off along the Indian River
 Lagoon (east central Florida)- in tributaries (brackish) to the Lagoon.
 Some 1000-2000 dead in the St. Sebastian River (Brevard County).  The
 local environmental regulators are fingering low DO's (none taken) and
 claiming that catfish (being bottom dwellers ) cannot escape.  There 
have
 been no other species impacted.  Seems unlikey that DO is the culprit?
> D. Scott TaylorI just went fishing Sunday evening about 15 miles north of the Sebastian
River (Eau Gallie causeway area) and noticed small dead catfish floating
in the river.  Not large numbers, but perhaps 15 to 20 during 2 hours
fishing.  They were not in bunches, but random.

Gary


From ca@wales.bbc.co.uk Sun Jul  7 14:51:34 EDT 1996
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From: ca@wales.bbc.co.uk (Colin Albert)
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I currently have one of the Avon multi-revolution spring balances which weights
fish of up to 40lb (supposedly with 1 ounce resolution). I am very interseted in
specimen hunting, and enjoy catching mini species as well as bigger stuff. Has
anyone come across any scales suitable for weighing small fish say 8-12 ounce
max, which are not too big to carry whilst angling. Ideally the scales should be
calibrated to 1/2 or 1/4 ounce divisions (or less), fairly accurate and
reasonably saltwater proof. 

Also does anyone have any experience of the digital hand-held scales which are
becoming available?

Colin Albert     (ca@wales.bbc.co.uk)

=====================================================
The U.K. Sea Fishing FAQ
www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/saltfaq.htm

Any opinions expressed above are those of the author
and not necessarily those of the BBC.


From Torrente@az.flashnet.it Sun Jul  7 14:51:34 EDT 1996
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From: Fabio D'Aleo <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>
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Subject: Escolar
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I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar 
(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum).

Thanks a lot


From 76734.3304@compuserve.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:35 EDT 1996
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From: Roger Campana <76734.3304@compuserve.com>
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Anyone interested in this subject should contact me as soon as possible. 
My company, Simrad, is on the forefront of technology in this area and we 
are seeking out interested groups to get their input on field 
applications. 
1-800-426-5565


From jhwfishl@siu.edu Sun Jul  7 14:51:35 EDT 1996
Article: 2154 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: "Jimmy H. Waddell" <jhwfishl@siu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Age determination
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:25:52 -0700
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Barbe Rousse wrote:
> 
> I have to determine the age of yellow perch speciemens. Is there anybody
> who know how i should proceed (otoliths, scales, vertebraes etc.)?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Eric Forcier
> 
> efor-ped@imo.qc.caOtoliths are the structure to use.  Depending on your specimens, whole, 
cracked, sectioned with or without burning.  Usually the otoliths must be 
broken, stuck in clay, covered with emmersion oil, then bring a light 
filament to the side of the otolith.  By moving your light and fosuc the 
annulli will appear as thin with lines. 
I would recommmend aging crappie, bass or walleye before trying Y perch.
-- 
Jimmy H. Waddell, Researcher
Coop Fish Mgt Res Lab
Southern Illinois Univ
Carbondale, IL 62901       618-536-7761


From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:36 EDT 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Subject: Re: Age determination
Date: 29 Jun 1996 12:02:37 GMT
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Hi

I worked on my MSc on yellow perch, Perca flavescens, but I don't recall 
any papers on age determination. I had to work with fish-of-the-year, so 
aging was not a problem. I have worked aging cod and haddock otoliths at 
day per day level. What sort of age resolution do you want? I'll go 
through my old papers and see what I can dig up.

Cheers Lawrence




From ch270@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jul  7 14:51:36 EDT 1996
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Canm anyone direct me to an aquaculture newsgroup...
I think there is one in Texas......


thank you......

John


From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sun Jul  7 14:51:36 EDT 1996
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From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira)
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Subject: Re: Catfish mass deaths
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Low oxygen in June???  Maybe, but the only time wild catfish seem to
die from lack of oxygen in broilin' hot Dallas seems to be when
they're caught on a trotline and can't make it towards the surface.
Hope someone finds out the FACTS on the mass catfish deaths.

Cheers,
John in Dallas


ghays <ghays@metrolink.net> wrote:

>Vertay wrote:
>>  We have had a similar (tho smaller scale) die-off along the Indian River
> Lagoon (east central Florida)- in tributaries (brackish) to the Lagoon.
> Some 1000-2000 dead in the St. Sebastian River (Brevard County).  The
> local environmental regulators are fingering low DO's (none taken) and
> claiming that catfish (being bottom dwellers ) cannot escape.  There 
>have
> been no other species impacted.  Seems unlikey that DO is the culprit?
>> D. Scott TaylorI just went fishing Sunday evening about 15 miles north of the Sebastian
>River (Eau Gallie causeway area) and noticed small dead catfish floating
>in the river.  Not large numbers, but perhaps 15 to 20 during 2 hours
>fishing.  They were not in bunches, but random.

>Gary




From s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:37 EDT 1996
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From: s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com(Steve Branstetter)
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On Jun 28, 1996 13:28:27 in article <Escolar>, 'Fabio D'Aleo
<Torrente@az.flashnet.it>' wrote: 
>I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar  
>(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum). 
 
This is an open ocean fish, taken as bycatch in pelagic longline fisheries.
 I am not sure you want to cook it however.  It flesh contains specific
oils that have purgative effects; in fact what market ever existed for it
was for that purpose.  I have heard that some have eaten it without ill
effects, but there's lots of other fish in the sea unless you have that
purpose in mind. 
-- 
 
Steve Branstetter


From prochnow@neosoft.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:37 EDT 1996
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From: prochnow@neosoft.com (Monster Fisherman)
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In article <31d414dc.871330@132.185.134.46>, ca@wales.bbc.co.uk (Colin Albert) wrote:

>Also does anyone have any experience of the digital hand-held scales which are
>becoming available?

I've been using a Berkley digital (about $35 US) for 2 
years or so and have been very satisfied with it.  It uses 
"load cell" technology and is very accurate over its range 
(I think up to 50lb.).  I've tested it against certified 
scales during tournaments and the error is almost 
negligible.  It floats and is waterproof.  You can also do 
things like zero it with a bucket hanging on it and then 
weigh what you put in the bucket without any arithmetic.

Dave


+==================================================+
| Dave Prochnow | Technology sufficiently advanced |
|               | is indistinguishable from magic. |
+==================================================+


From 76734.3304@compuserve.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:38 EDT 1996
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From: Roger Campana <76734.3304@compuserve.com>
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Subject: Infrasound and Fish Avoidance
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Simrad Infrasound System:
Infrasound Sensor
The Infrasound Sensor is a tool capable of measuring the performance of any 
infrasound source.  Using an Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) placed inside a 
neutrally buoyant sphere, the Infrasound Sensor System measures the 
acceleration in the water column generated by a infrasound source.  The 
acceleration data is captured by Simrad data acquisition software and logged 
on a PC.  Auxiliary sensors can also be attached and logged to the same PC 
file allowing the researcher to gather additional data regarding the 
performance of the infrasound source as well as the surrounding environment. 
 The logged data is then processed via Simrad post processing software. The 
result is a numerical and graphic display of the infrasound source 
performance.

Infrasound Source
The Infrasound Source is a device which produces low frequency sound under 30 
Hz, by creating an accelerated field of water particles in the water column. 
  In the laboratory studies at the University in Oslo it was demonstrated 
when water acceleration was at a rate of 0.01m/sec^2 an avoidance response 
was observed in salmonids.   Therefore the infrasound source creates an 
environment which fish avoid.

Simrad’s infrasound source is a prototype created by the University in Oslo. 
 The source, referred to as fish fence, has been tested by Simrad under 
contact to Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories.  The source showed 
promising results, therefore more tests on fish behavior are being performed.

Simrad has created two options to our customers for the development of an 
infrasound source.   The first option is to produce a source similar to the 
University in Oslo’s prototype.  This option is suited for research 
applications where the duty cycle of the source is switched on for short 
periods.  The second option is for a source which can be installed in the 
field to deter fish ingress continuously for a period of up to 90 days.

For further information or just to chat, contact either:
Jeff Condiotty , Marketing Manager Fisheries Research Products or
Roger Campana, Senior Design Engineer
Simrad, Inc.
1-800-426-5565
Lynnwood, WA USA


From jholmes@fls.infi.net Sun Jul  7 14:51:38 EDT 1996
Article: 2161 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: jim holmes <jholmes@fls.infi.net>
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Monster Fisherman wrote:
> does anyone have any experience of the digital hand-held scales ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I've been using a Berkley digital (about $35 US) for 2
> years or so and have been very satisfied with it.  It uses
> "load cell" technology and is very accurate over its range
> (I think up to 50lb.).  I've tested it against certified
> scales during tournaments and the error is almost
> negligible.  It floats and is waterproof.  You can also do
> things like zero it with a bucket hanging on it and then
> weigh what you put in the bucket without any arithmetic.
> Dave


Ditto, what Dave sez
    Jim


From susans@Eng.Sun.COM Sun Jul  7 14:51:38 EDT 1996
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From: susans@Eng.Sun.COM (Susan Scheufele)
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The so-called Central Valley Project Reform Act (CVPRA, HR 2738)
legislation was put on hold a few months ago by it's major sponsor,
Congressman Doolittle, in order that administration-sponsored CVPIA
implementation forum talks might lead to agreement among the
different parties as to how the CVPIA ought to be implemented.
(Also to pursue his Auburn Dam proposal.) This negotiation process
has been overseen by John Garamendi, the new Deputy Secretary of
the Interior and former New Melones Dam proponent.

Draft versions of some of the new CVPIA Administrative Proposals can
be found online on the US Bureau of Reclamation's web page, at
http://www.mp.usbr.gov/.  Of particular interest to boaters and
fishermen are the proposals for the Trinity River, the Stanislaus
and the San Joaquin River. The basic conflict appears to be that
the water contractors do not want to see their deliveries reduced
in order to restore the anadromous fisheries.  There are also alot
of complicated proposals for dealing with the CVPIA-mandated habitat
restoration fund and water conservation criteria.

Please note that the four most important proposals, AFRP (Anadromous
Fish Restoration Policy), the 2406(b)(2)Water - (800 Thousand Acre Feet -
the water to be used for fish restoration), Stakeholder Process and
Contracting Policies are due out this week. For further information,
please contact Ted Nordhaus of Share the Water at (510) 452-9261.




From saylor@nitco.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:39 EDT 1996
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From: Tom Saylor <saylor@nitco.com>
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Hi, we're an aerial photography company in the United States---we travel 
throughout the
USA shooting low-level oblique color slides from low-flying airplanes. We 
specialize in
business and industrial aerial photos, but we'll photograph any site we 
can identify and fly
to including agricultural and residential properties.

Currently we are working in the Northeast---NJ, MA, CT, etc. If you need 
current aerial
photography please check our web site to see our 1996 shooting schedule.  
Generally we
work in one state at a time---traveling with the seasons. We shoot high 
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--
Tom Saylor Photography
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From danmor@netmedia.net.il Sun Jul  7 14:51:39 EDT 1996
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From: Dan Altura <danmor@netmedia.net.il>
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Subject: How Sharks burn calories:  corrected WEB location
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The previouis article posted concerning the metabolism of sharks using a 
dissolved oxygen probe has the wrong WEB site location listed.  The 
corrected site location is http://www.lazarlab.com/art18.htm



From danmor@netmedia.net.il Sun Jul  7 14:51:40 EDT 1996
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A study was done using a dissolved oxygen probe to determine the 
metabolism of sharks under different environmental conditions. For 
details contact http://www.lazarlab.com/art.18.htm



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In article <4r72rh$2mt@paraguay.it.earthlink.net>, jcaldeira@earthlink.net 
says...
>
>Low oxygen in June???  Maybe, but the only time wild catfish seem to
>die from lack of oxygen in broilin' hot Dallas seems to be when
>they're caught on a trotline and can't make it towards the surface.
>Hope someone finds out the FACTS on the mass catfish deaths.
>
...
n the river.  Not large numbers, but perhaps 15 to 20 during 2 hours
>>fishing.  They were not in bunches, but random.

Hi everybody,

I am not a speciallist but due to supersaturation the so called gas bubble 
disease could occur. This disease is leding to death and similar to the 
thing tht happens if a scuba diver comes up to fast.

Thomas from Germany

-- 
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From fishnut@dreamscape.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:40 EDT 1996
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In article <4r8q19$3mt@uuneo.neosoft.com>,
   prochnow@neosoft.com (Monster Fisherman) wrote:
>In article <31d414dc.871330@132.185.134.46>, ca@wales.bbc.co.uk (Colin 
Albert) wrote:
>
>>Also does anyone have any experience of the digital hand-held scales which 
are
>>becoming available?
>

>I have also used the Berkley Digital in both my fish cleaning station and 
tackle shop, and I have been very satisfied with it.  It is also pretty tough, 
as I have had many a fishermen drop it after handling a big salmon.
Rich
PortOntario Tackle Shop
Pulaski, NY 13142
>

>
>
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From serge.tremblay@mef.gouv.qc.ca Sun Jul  7 14:51:41 EDT 1996
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From: Serge Tremblay <serge.tremblay@mef.gouv.qc.ca>
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Subject: Re: Age determination
Date: 3 Jul 1996 19:32:26 GMT
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To: efor-ped@imo.qc.ca,(Barbe,Rousse)

Je te suggere de communiquer avec mon collegue Yves Mailhot, 
biologiste a la direction regionale de la Mauricie, Environnement 
et Faune Quebec, Tel: 819-373-4442.

Il est responsable de la gestion de la perchaude au lac 
Saint-Pierre.

Salut
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Re: Age determination



From gmichael@adsnet.net Sun Jul  7 14:51:41 EDT 1996
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From: gmichael@adsnet.net (geoff mcmichael)
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Subject: Limits on catch & release
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Has anyone heard of limits on the number of fish that an angler may catch and 
release in a day?  I have been contacted by a flyfishing group that is 
concerned that the combo of high catch rates (and associated 
hooking/handling mortality) and increasing angling pressure is adversely 
affecting wild resident rainbow trout density in Washington's Yakima River.  I 
have much of the literature on hooking/handling mortality... but am looking 
for info from anyone who has experiences related to limiting the number of 
fish that may be caught and released in a day's fishing (e.g, after 15 trout 
have been caught and released, you must quit fishing for that day).  Any info 
on any fish species would be appreciated,... thanks,

		Geoff McMichael
		gmichael@adsnet.net
		Fish Biologist, Wash. Dept. of Fish & Wildlife


From HQZF53A@prodigy.com Sun Jul  7 14:51:41 EDT 1996
Article: 2170 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: HQZF53A@prodigy.com (Richard Matheson)
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Subject: Re: Catfish mass deaths
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    In article <4r72rh$2mt@paraguay.it.earthlink.net>, 
jcaldeira@earthlink.net 
>says...
>>
>>Low oxygen in June???  Maybe, but the only time wild catfish seem to
>>die from lack of oxygen in broilin' hot Dallas seems to be when
>>they're caught on a trotline and can't make it towards the surface.
>>Hope someone finds out the FACTS on the mass catfish deaths.
>>
>....
>n the river.  Not large numbers, but perhaps 15 to 20 during 2 hours
>>>fishing.  They were not in bunches, but random.

     It seems doubtful that low DO would selectively kill catfish. I 
assume that we are talking about hardheads (Arius felis). If so, a few 
scattered dead fish may be the result of fishing. They are commonly 
caught and most people just kill them and dump them overboard (I'm not 
condoning the practice, just reporting it).
     I don't have all the details available to me at this time, but the 
mass deaths of hardheads on the west coast of Florida was apparently due 
to an amoebic infection.

Ed Matheson


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From dwalsh@capecod.net Sun Jul  7 14:51:42 EDT 1996
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From: "Dennis T. Walsh" <dwalsh@capecod.net>
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Adam:
Try these two URL's for beginners:
http://www.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/ (AquaNic homepage)
http://www.brainiac.com/aquanet/  (AquaNet homepage)

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From Torrente@az.flashnet.it Sun Jul  7 14:51:42 EDT 1996
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From: Fabio D'Aleo <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>
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Subject: Re: Escolar
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To: Steve Branstetter <s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com>

Steve Branstetter wrote:
> 
> On Jun 28, 1996 13:28:27 in article <Escolar>, 'Fabio D'Aleo
> <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>' wrote:
> >I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar
> >(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum).
> 
> This is an open ocean fish, taken as bycatch in pelagic longline fisheries.
>  I am not sure you want to cook it however.  It flesh contains specific
> oils that have purgative effects; in fact what market ever existed for it
> was for that purpose.  I have heard that some have eaten it without ill
> effects, but there's lots of other fish in the sea unless you have that
> purpose in mind.
> --
> 
> Steve BranstetterI have been cold smoking Escolar for 6 months now and I can assure everybody that it's really 
delicious and not all that purgative anyway!

Fabio D'Aleo


From Torrente@az.flashnet.it Sun Jul  7 14:51:43 EDT 1996
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From: Fabio D'Aleo <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>
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Subject: Re: Escolar
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To: Steve Branstetter <s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com>

Steve Branstetter wrote:
> 
> On Jun 28, 1996 13:28:27 in article <Escolar>, 'Fabio D'Aleo
> <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>' wrote:
> >I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar
> >(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum).
> 
> This is an open ocean fish, taken as bycatch in pelagic longline fisheries.
>  I am not sure you want to cook it however.  It flesh contains specific
> oils that have purgative effects; in fact what market ever existed for it
> was for that purpose.  I have heard that some have eaten it without ill
> effects, but there's lots of other fish in the sea unless you have that
> purpose in mind.
> --
> 
> Steve BranstetterI have been cold smoking Escolar for 6 months now and I can assure everybody that it's really 
delicious and not all that purgative anyway!

Fabio D'Aleo


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From: Fabio D'Aleo <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>
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To: Steve Branstetter <s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com>

Steve Branstetter wrote:
> 
> On Jun 28, 1996 13:28:27 in article <Escolar>, 'Fabio D'Aleo
> <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>' wrote:
> >I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar
> >(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum).
> 
> This is an open ocean fish, taken as bycatch in pelagic longline fisheries.
>  I am not sure you want to cook it however.  It flesh contains specific
> oils that have purgative effects; in fact what market ever existed for it
> was for that purpose.  I have heard that some have eaten it without ill
> effects, but there's lots of other fish in the sea unless you have that
> purpose in mind.
> --
> 
> Steve BranstetterI have been cold smoking Escolar for 6 months now and I can assure everybody that it's really 
delicious and not all that purgative anyway!

Fabio D'Aleo


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From: Fabio D'Aleo <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>
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To: Steve Branstetter <s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com>

Steve Branstetter wrote:
> 
> On Jun 28, 1996 13:28:27 in article <Escolar>, 'Fabio D'Aleo
> <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>' wrote:
> >I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar
> >(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum).
> 
> This is an open ocean fish, taken as bycatch in pelagic longline fisheries.
>  I am not sure you want to cook it however.  It flesh contains specific
> oils that have purgative effects; in fact what market ever existed for it
> was for that purpose.  I have heard that some have eaten it without ill
> effects, but there's lots of other fish in the sea unless you have that
> purpose in mind.
> --
> 
> Steve BranstetterI have been cold smoking Escolar for 6 months now and I can assure everybody that it's really 
delicious and not all that purgative anyway!

Fabio D'Aleo


From Torrente@az.flashnet.it Sun Jul  7 14:51:44 EDT 1996
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From: Fabio D'Aleo <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>
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To: Steve Branstetter <s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com>

Steve Branstetter wrote:
> 
> On Jun 28, 1996 13:28:27 in article <Escolar>, 'Fabio D'Aleo
> <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>' wrote:
> >I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar
> >(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum).
> 
> This is an open ocean fish, taken as bycatch in pelagic longline fisheries.
>  I am not sure you want to cook it however.  It flesh contains specific
> oils that have purgative effects; in fact what market ever existed for it
> was for that purpose.  I have heard that some have eaten it without ill
> effects, but there's lots of other fish in the sea unless you have that
> purpose in mind.
> --
> 
> Steve BranstetterI have been cold smoking Escolar for 6 months now and I can assure everybody that it's really 
delicious and not all that purgative anyway!

Fabio D'Aleo


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From: Fabio D'Aleo <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>
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To: Steve Branstetter <s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com>

Steve Branstetter wrote:
> 
> On Jun 28, 1996 13:28:27 in article <Escolar>, 'Fabio D'Aleo
> <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>' wrote:
> >I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar
> >(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum).
> 
> This is an open ocean fish, taken as bycatch in pelagic longline fisheries.
>  I am not sure you want to cook it however.  It flesh contains specific
> oils that have purgative effects; in fact what market ever existed for it
> was for that purpose.  I have heard that some have eaten it without ill
> effects, but there's lots of other fish in the sea unless you have that
> purpose in mind.
> --
> 
> Steve BranstetterI have been cold smoking Escolar for 6 months now and I can assure everybody that it's really 
delicious and not all that purgative anyway!

Fabio D'Aleo


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From: Fabio D'Aleo <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>
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To: Steve Branstetter <s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com>

Steve Branstetter wrote:
> 
> On Jun 28, 1996 13:28:27 in article <Escolar>, 'Fabio D'Aleo
> <Torrente@az.flashnet.it>' wrote:
> >I need some information and recipes about a fish called Escolar
> >(Lepidocybium Flavobrunneum).
> 
> This is an open ocean fish, taken as bycatch in pelagic longline fisheries.
>  I am not sure you want to cook it however.  It flesh contains specific
> oils that have purgative effects; in fact what market ever existed for it
> was for that purpose.  I have heard that some have eaten it without ill
> effects, but there's lots of other fish in the sea unless you have that
> purpose in mind.
> --
> 
> Steve BranstetterI have been cold smoking Escolar for 6 months now and I can assure everybody that it's really 
delicious and not all that purgative anyway!

Fabio D'Aleo


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On Mon, 01 Jul 96 15:15:02 GMT, prochnow@neosoft.com (Monster
Fisherman) wrote:

>In article <31d414dc.871330@132.185.134.46>, ca@wales.bbc.co.uk (Colin Albert) wrote:
>
>>Also does anyone have any experience of the digital hand-held scales which are
>>becoming available?
>
>I've been using a Berkley digital (about $35 US) for 2 
>years or so and have been very satisfied with it.  It uses 
>"load cell" technology and is very accurate over its range 
>(I think up to 50lb.).  I've tested it against certified 
>scales during tournaments and the error is almost 
>negligible.  It floats and is waterproof.  You can also do 
>things like zero it with a bucket hanging on it and then 
>weigh what you put in the bucket without any arithmetic.

Anyone know if these scales are available over here in the UK and if
so, from where and at what price?
----------
Should we call in an expert or cock it up ourselves?

Tom Bagshaw
tom@shaw.u-net.com
Merseyside UK.



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From: Sean Clancy <sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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Dear fellow members,

I am requesting information on the address to the lakes-l group as I have 
lost the address.  

Thanks,

sean.

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From Big.Al@hunterlink.net.au Sun Jul  7 14:51:45 EDT 1996
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From: Big.Al@hunterlink.net.au (Alan)
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Looking for mail group or news group on wetland fish ecology
Please explain how to subscribe in simple terms for a newbie


From ksanders@ccinet.ab.ca Sun Jul  7 14:51:46 EDT 1996
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Though the idea is probably a valid one, what it boils down to is 
how the heck would you ever enforce it? Anyone have any realistic ideas?





From swfishnut@aol.com Sat Aug  3 10:52:32 EDT 1996
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From: swfishnut@aol.com (Swfishnut)
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I am writing an article for a major recreational fishing magazine on
Atlantic cubera snapper (Lutjanus cyanopterus). While I have some
biological info, I would like more data like stock estimates, spawning
season, and growth rates. Actually, anything that you might think a
conservation-minded person would like to know. 

Please e-mail me at Swfishnut@aol.com or post it here.

Thanks in advance,


Perry Young (Swfishnut@aol.com)


From c.miranda@codetel.net.do Sat Aug  3 10:52:34 EDT 1996
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From: Carlos Miranda Levy <c.miranda@codetel.net.do>
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We need info on holothuria / sea cucumber. Urgent.

Our government (here in the Dominican Republic) currently released 
1700Kgs of dried sea cucumber to an asean company which had ilegally 
fished them in our waters. This permit and release, we believe, will 
only incentivate ilegal fishing in our area, besides the catastrophic 
effects of this activity, completely unknown and not done by our native 
fisherman. The whole marine ecosystem could be upset if proper care and 
control is not placed on this.

We do not want a 2nd Galapagos "crisis".

We need al the data and info we can find on sea cucumber / holothuria, 
both on-line and anywhere else: studies, institutions, persons, 
statistics, previous law-cases, etc. We plan to use this data to back 
our protest and so our biologists prepare an informative paper on the 
species and the current affair.

We already (along with the personnel of the National Aquarium and other 
marine and ecologist organizations) sent a letter to the proper 
authorities protesting the decission of allowing this asean company to 
retire their decomised merchandise without even an amonestation (the 
authorities replied that they "promise not to let it happen again, but 
since the animals were already captured and dried, the permit was 
given").

Please, reply to c.miranda@codetel.net.do or fundemar@codetel.net.do
-- 
Con paciencia y calma
sube un burro a una palma
---------------------------------------------
Carlos Miranda Levy * FUNDEMAR
Fundacion Dominicana de Estudios Marinos
(Dominican Foundation of Marine Studies)
Santo Domingo, DN, Republica Dominicana
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http://www.business1.com/pcoptima/jorobada.htm
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From steve_atran@usa.pipeline.com Sat Aug  3 10:52:35 EDT 1996
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From: steve_atran@usa.pipeline.com(Steven Atran)
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On Jul 17, 1996 21:50:23 in article <Catch and release limits>, 'Carl Reese
<cdr3@axe.humboldt.edu>' wrote: 
 
 
>In most instances, it is difficult to envision catch and release fishing  
>damaging a stock. 
  
Off of the Florida Keys, near Dry Tortugas, there is an area called Riley's
Hump that is closed to all fishing, including catch-and-release, during the
months of May and June.  This is a major spawning aggregation area for
mutton snapper.  The total closure is intended to protect spawning mutton
snapper not only from harvest, but also from the impacts of release
mortality and the disruption of spawning behavior by fishing activities on
other species.  Other mutton snapper spawning aggregations have been fished
out over the years, and this is the last known major spawning aggregation
of mutton snapper in the Gulf of Mexico.  For that reason, the Gulf of
Mexico Fishery Management Council felt that more protection than a simple
closed season during spawning was needed for these fish. 
  
Steven Atran 
Population Dynamics Statistician 
Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council 



From ch270@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug  3 10:52:36 EDT 1996
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From: ch270@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John P.Beckley)
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Where is the AQUACULTURE News Group....I think the University of texas has
one.......


Please advise..


    John


From edoardo.shockwav@iol.it Sat Aug  3 10:52:37 EDT 1996
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From: edoardo.shockwav@iol.it (Edoardo)
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Subject: Re: Crawfish
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On Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:23:23 GMT, erin@lilypond.com (Erin) wrote:
>I'm wondering if anyone knows of any good referencing and/or research
>materials on raising crawfish.

Hi Erin,

I have a copy of this book that is one of the best among the European
ones, I know that it has been re-printed and corrected during 1983 and
if I remember well also in 1995.

 Arrignon,J (1979): L'Ecrevisse et son elevage. Nature et Agriculture
ed. Gauthier-Villars, Paris. 175 pages.

Probably you can find also the English version as I found here in
Italy the Italian translation of the book.

Please let me know if you need more references and I will ask around
to my friends


     


From Youngman@ccmail.bms.com Sat Aug  3 10:52:39 EDT 1996
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Puhleeze....don't post this type of advertising bullshit to the 
newsgroups!!


From dlapensee@aol.com Sat Aug  3 10:52:40 EDT 1996
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From: dlapensee@aol.com (DLapensee)
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Subject: Barracuda Expert Needed
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Hi -

I'm trying to locate a barracuda expert who can interview with us on
television about barracuda behavior.... if you or someone else is
interested, please contact me at Dlapensee@aol.com.  Thanks.

Debbie LaPensee


From na668935@anon.penet.fi Sat Aug  3 10:52:41 EDT 1996
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From: Nagaiika <na668935@anon.penet.fi>
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Subject: On holiday, from the sea or the shore you can win up to $$15,000.00 and more.
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On your Holiday from the sea or from the shore you can win up to US$ 
15,000.00. Just keep an eye on your environment

                                  LOOKING FOR AMBAR

                          We pay up to $US 750.00/pound or $US 
1,500.00/kilo.
                    A good piece may be weight 20 pounds/10 kilos value 
US$ 15,000.00.

     What is it?? 

          A straight definition will talk about sheet of rorqual on the 
average of 8 inches /20 cm in diameter with a
          bittersweet animal odor. 
          A cooler definition will talk about (A waxy substance found 
floating on the sea. It has a musky odor when
          warmed . The smell comes from a wet earthy and musty odor 
combined with sea water, seaweed,
          tobacco and fecal notes to a scent of seaweed, wood and moss 
with a sweet undertone of unequaled
          tenacity (Some people are anosmic, non smellers and therefore 
cannot smell it). When first eject from the
          fish to the sea, the material resemble to what it is (dark 
brown to black in color). On exposure to sunlight,
          air and sea water, it gradually fades to a light gray or creamy 
color. While the color is being bleached,
          other degradative chemical processes occur which break into a 
mixture of products we intend to separate
          as soon as we will receive it. 

     To make a test to be sure it is what we want. Insert a heated needle 
into the suspect mass. If Amber, you will
     see a drop of molten constituent appeared at the puncture site with 
its characteristic odor.

      Where to find this product??

     It floats in any ocean or sea surface or break up into smaller 
aromatic pieces which eventually drift ashore.
     When you get one piece, please, do not loose money, make sure there 
is not another one nearby.

      How to send us this product??

     Dryer it as much as you can and packed it on a hermetic way (lots of 
people do not like the smell of it), Send the
     pack(s) through air (Federal express or UPS). We will pay the 
shipment and return you a cheque. As product,
     declare on custom document: Wax made of 46% colastelanol type 
steroids and 25-45% of a triterpene and 4%
     parafine and balance unknown.

     What is the use of this product?

     It is a stimulant in nervous diseases and when treated be an 
excellent analgesic used in the far East medicine.

     What can it be for you??

     It can get for you a very pleasant amount of money for your 
curiosity if you consider this page seriously. This
     offer is valid all year long as we need 50 tons of this product a 
year.

     So when you take your holiday on sea or on shore, keep an eye on 
your environment.
     Have a good time.
     Keep this fax number on your note books. One never knows...
     Fax: 1 418 688 4003
     Email exclub@sympatico.ca





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From cdr3@axe.humboldt.edu Sat Aug  3 10:52:43 EDT 1996
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From: Carl Reese <cdr3@axe.humboldt.edu>
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I am looking for references on behavior of juvenile Sacramento squawfish 
Ptychocheilus grandis or related species for a behavioral study that I 
am conducting.  Actually, any references on the behavior of predaceous 
cyprinids would be helpful.  Either post on this board or e-mail 
directly.  Thankyou.

Carl Reese
[cdr3@axe.humboldt.edu}




From edoardo.shockwav@iol.it Sat Aug  3 10:52:44 EDT 1996
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From: edoardo.shockwav@iol.it (Edoardo)
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Subject: Re: Life expectency of a catfish
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Hi Lei,

That's a good question, the problem is that "Catfish" is a generic
name, there are many species of Catfishes.

I can help you only with African catfishes and European ones.

About Italy there is "Ictalurus melas" (Imported from north America)
and it usually lives about 4-5 years but sometimes also 8-9 years.
You can determinate the age of the fish making a section of pectoral
fins.

On 18 Jul 1996 23:25:40 GMT, tamma@unlv.edu (Lei-Shine Pi) wrote:
>Can anyone please tell me how long can a catfish live?



From 76734.3304@compuserve.com Sat Aug  3 10:52:46 EDT 1996
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From: Roger Campana <76734.3304@compuserve.com>
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Subject: Infrasound and Salmonids
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Simrad Infrasound System:
Infrasound Sensor
The Infrasound Sensor is a tool capable of measuring the performance of 
any 
infrasound source.  Using an Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) placed 
inside a 
neutrally buoyant sphere, the Infrasound Sensor System measures the 
acceleration in the water column generated by a infrasound source.  The 
acceleration data is captured by Simrad data acquisition software and 
logged 
on a PC.  Auxiliary sensors can also be attached and logged to the same 
PC 
file allowing the researcher to gather additional data regarding the 
performance of the infrasound source as well as the surrounding 
environment. 
 The logged data is then processed via Simrad post processing software. 
The 
result is a numerical and graphic display of the infrasound source 
performance.

Infrasound Source
The Infrasound Source is a device which produces low frequency sound 
under 30 
Hz, by creating an accelerated field of water particles in the water 
column. 
  In the laboratory studies at the University in Oslo it was demonstrated 
when water acceleration was at a rate of 0.01m/sec^2 an avoidance 
response 
was observed in salmonids.   Therefore the infrasound source creates an 
environment which fish avoid.

Simrad’s infrasound source is a prototype created by the University in 
Oslo. 
 The source, referred to as fish fence, has been tested by Simrad under 
contact to Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories.  The source showed 
promising results, therefore more tests on fish behavior are being 
performed.

Simrad has created two options to our customers for the development of an 
infrasound source.   The first option is to produce a source similar to 
the 
University in Oslo’s prototype.  This option is suited for research 
applications where the duty cycle of the source is switched on for short 
periods.  The second option is for a source which can be installed in the 
field to deter fish ingress continuously for a period of up to 90 days.

For further information or just to chat, contact either:
Jeff Condiotty , Marketing Manager Fisheries Research Products or
Roger Campana, Senior Design Engineer
Simrad, Inc.
1-800-426-5565
Lynnwood, WA USA


From 76734.3304@compuserve.com Sat Aug  3 10:52:47 EDT 1996
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From: Roger Campana <76734.3304@compuserve.com>
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Subject: Infrasound
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Simrad has conducted several tests of an infrasound device in eastern 
washington, both in test tanks and in the snake river.

Anyone interested in this type of acoustic  method for fish detterance 
research should contact me.


From terry_saaranen_rxbm70@aprdlgtr.sps.mot.com Sat Aug  3 10:52:48 EDT 1996
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From: terry_saaranen_rxbm70@aprdlgtr.sps.mot.com (Terry Saaranen)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Hatcheries in portland area?
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I am looking for information on hatcheries in the portland and the
possibilities of person finding work. I am currently a Materials Research
Technican in the semiconductor industry looking for a possible career
change. I am use to working outside and physical labor is not a problem.

Terry


From raa104@york.ac.uk Sat Aug  3 10:52:49 EDT 1996
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...somebody like me.

Is there a single vacancy left in the whole world for a marine biologist 
any more ?

I have BSc Marine Biology and I am currently doing an MSc in Biological 
Computation at York Uni, UK. 

My speciality is computer modelling of Fisheries systems. I am a good 
numerical Biologist.

Give us a job mate.

Richard Aukland

raa104@york.ac.uk



From jtolan@tiger.lsu.edu Sat Aug  3 10:52:50 EDT 1996
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From: jtolan@tiger.lsu.edu (James Marvin Tolan)
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Three cheers for the good folks of Louisiana!!!!!!!!!!!!

This just in, PETA has decided to abandon their protest of the 'Grand 
Isle Tarpon Rodeo' fishing tournament.  Apparently, they have decided to 
premier the "Gill the Fish" character at a SMALLER tournament in 
Alabama.  They got wind of the plans of the locals for 'Gill the Fish'.  
Dem Cajun Boys down on da' bayou wanted to gaff 'Gill' and hoist his butt 
up on the leader board under the 'Other' catagory.  Some have even talked 
of a play to make a big 'ol gumbo out of 'Gill'!!!!!!!!!

I guess once the PETA folks realized just how unpopular their 'pinhead' 
little protest is in LA, they decided to move on.  I can only applaude 
the Good People of Grand Isle for sticking up for what they know is 
right.  Here, here..............

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:			:  You throw the ball, hit the ball,	:
:  Jim Tolan.....	:	and catch the ball;		:
:			: Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose,:
:    Go Astros		:	and sometimes it rains		:
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::




From quest@OctoNet.COM Sat Aug  3 10:52:51 EDT 1996
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From: quest@OctoNet.COM (Colin Ranson)
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I am conducting a project on the restoration of a salmonid stream.  I
would appreciate information on riparian vegetation in the Pacific
Northwest.


Natashya Ranson 

Quest@OctoNet.com



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From: Mark Booker <mebooker@atnet.net>
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Carl Reese [cdr3@axe.humboldt.edu} Wrote:
I am looking for references on behavior of juvenile Sacramento squawfish
Ptychocheilus grandis or related species for a behavioral study that I
am conducting.  Actually, any references on the behavior of predaceous
cyprinids would be helpful.  Either post on this board or e-mail
directly.  Thankyou.
------------------------------------------
RE:  Plan A Fishing Trip! Catch Fish! Save Salmon! Make Money! Have A Blast!!  

July 25, 1996

Dear Carl Reese and Adventurers:

The Fish of Opportunity has a bounty.  The Northern Squawfish is the target.  The troublesome 
Northern Squawfish can eat up to 15 salmon smolts per day. 

Bonneville Power Administration will pay a bounty for your catch.  Also they will give you tips 
on how to catch more Northern Squawfish.  Sign-up and join in the fun.  Call 1-800-858-9015 
reel in the dollars starting April 29, 1996.  

We are already late!  Visit the Pacific Northwest for fun and profit!

s/Mark, from the land of the Mighty Columbia!! 

PS: How could things get better?!




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                      Registration Information 
              Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium 
                       October 4 - 6, 1996, Dallas, Texas 
           Sponsored by Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research 
                          and the Seraph Foundation


Below is the registration information for the Advanced Water Sciences Symposium (AWS96) to
be held in Dallas, TX, October 4-6, 1996. See the list of confirmed invited speakers and see the
preliminary schedule of technical sessions. The conference registration form and payment should
be sent in by Friday, September 6, 1996 to qualify for the early registration discount. Please
make your own hotel reservations directly with the hotel by Friday, September 13, 1996 to be
included in reserved block of rooms. 

This conference/symposium is hosted by the Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research.
IAWSR is a not for profit membership association dedicated to the promotion of advanced water
sciences and the free exchange of ideas that contribute to the advancement of water science.
IAWSR and the symposium provide a forum for members and contributing individuals to
exchange ideas in the following water related subjects: 


Hard Science:
    hydrodynamics, water purification technology, electrolysis, 
    bond angle relationships and energy states,  
    environmental issues, photo chemistry, ionics, ORP, 
    chemistry, oxidative states in water.
Interdisciplinary:
    vortex mechanics, magnetic resonance in water, liquid crystal states,
    advanced ozonation, colloidal chemistry, structured water, 
    homeopathic effects in relationship to energized water,
    radio frequency effects on water, energization states in water,
    magnetic field effects on water dynamics and structure, 
    energy systems utilizing water dynamics or structure.

Exploratory:
    subtle energy effects in water, consciousness and water, 
    effects of harmonic geometries on water, scalar wave effects on water,
    energization and transformation in the water molecule, memory in water states,
    biological effects of energized and structured water.
    
Confirmed invited speakers:
    Joseph Bender: keynote speaker "Water: the Bigger Picture", and also
    Jim Beal, Ron Carson, Dr. Lee Cowden, Prof. Carlton Hazlewood, 
    Dr. Stuart Hameroff, Dr. Tony Scott-Morley MD, Prof. Elizabeth Rauscher, 
    Dr. William Rea, Glen Rein, Prof. James Roberts, Joseph Tyls.

Send registration form from below and payment to:
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From brett3@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug  3 10:52:55 EDT 1996
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
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In <4t86t6$3ank@tiger4.ocs.lsu.edu> jtolan@tiger.lsu.edu (James Marvin
Tolan) writes: 
>
>Three cheers for the good folks of Louisiana!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>This just in, PETA has decided to abandon their protest of the 'Grand 
>Isle Tarpon Rodeo' fishing tournament.  Apparently, they have decided to 
>premier the "Gill the Fish" character at a SMALLER tournament in 
>Alabama.  They got wind of the plans of the locals for 'Gill the Fish'.  
>Dem Cajun Boys down on da' bayou wanted to gaff 'Gill' and hoist his butt

>up on the leader board under the 'Other' catagory.  Some have even talked

>of a play to make a big 'ol gumbo out of 'Gill'!!!!!!!!!
>
>I guess once the PETA folks realized just how unpopular their 'pinhead' 
>little protest is in LA, they decided to move on.  I can only applaude 
>the Good People of Grand Isle for sticking up for what they know is 
>right.  Here, here..............
>
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:			:  You throw the ball, hit the ball,	:
>:  Jim Tolan.....	:	and catch the ball;		:
>:			: Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose,:
>:    Go Astros		:	and sometimes it rains		:
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
Do you reckon that a cracker will be any more receptive to this than a
coon-ass?  I almost want to go and see what happens.  I have several
friends that went to school in fisheries at Auburn.  They are of the
genteel sort and had lots of funny cracker stories.  Hard for me to
believe that "Gill" will fare any better there than in Louisiana.  Shame
that Gill didn't show up for the recent Fishin' Fiesta in Brazoria County,
Texas.  I bet that he'd have won the boat for whomever caught him.  I
don't think anybody in the South will put up with this nonsense, hard
for me to believe any of my Yankee friends would either.  Gill had
better head to California, maybe some of the wierdos would be receptive
to his message, but I bet most of them would feel like most of the rest
of us.

Cracker, Coony, Yankee
Redneck, Hippie
I bet all would like to string up
Gill the fishy.

OK, I'm a biologist, not a poet.

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html




From cblouin@pop200.gsfc.nasa.gov Sat Aug  3 10:52:56 EDT 1996
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From: Christopher Blouin <cblouin@pop200.gsfc.nasa.gov>
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Subject: Re: Life expectency of a catfish
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Lei-Shine Pi wrote:
> 
> Can anyone please tell me how long can a catfish live?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Lei-ShineThis may sound like a cop out but when I was in school, I used to dissect 
the ear bones of fish so the grad I was working for could count the 
growth rings (hence age) of the fish.
-- 
Chris Blouin
Industrial Hygienist
National Health Services, Inc.
Christopher.J.Blouin.1@gsfc.nasa.gov
301.286.6669 live
301.286.1618 fax




From mpc@pos.net Sat Aug  3 10:52:57 EDT 1996
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From: mpc@pos.net (John Henry)
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Hi I just put up  a new site about Lake Ontario and drift boat fishing, it
is at:

http://pos.net/mpc/fishdoc/


It is for a friend of mine who is new to the net, He is a charter captain
and  NYSDEC fishery biologist.
 Stop by and let him know what you think about his site.
There is a free newsletter to downlaod and a update page to come soon.

You can email him at

fishdoc@dreamscape.com

He is more than helpfull with thing to do with fishing in New York State.


From charmes3@multi-medias.ca Sat Aug  3 10:52:58 EDT 1996
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Hi!

We are looking for information on the implementation and upkeep of 
smallmouth bass habitats in a river here in Sherbrooke, Qc. We know that 
there is a small population of smallmouth bass already in the river but 
would like to increase their population by creating and finding a way to 
maintain habitats. The river freezes over in winter and then rises in 
the spring, eroding the banks and the riverbed. During summer, it flows 
at approximately 0.5m/s.

Thanks,

Diana Frost
Assistant Biologist




From ian.napier@nafc.ac.uk Sat Aug  3 10:52:59 EDT 1996
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From: Ian Napier <ian.napier@nafc.ac.uk>
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You may be interested to know that the home pages of the North 
Atlantic Fisheries College in Shetland have been revised and updated. 
As well as information about the College, its courses, and the work 
which it does, the pages now contain information on Shetland's 
fishing industry and a new page of fisheries related links. The URL 
for the site is:

                 http://www.nafc.ac.uk/


Ian R. Napier.

-- 
North Atlantic Fisheries College,
Scalloway,
Shetland  ZE1 0UN,
U.K.

Tel:       +44 (0) 1595 880 328
Fax:       +44 (0) 1595 880 549
E-mail:    ian.napier@nafc.ac.uk
www:       http://www.nafc.ac.uk/




From tomfish@teleport.com Sat Aug  3 10:53:01 EDT 1996
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From: Tom Worcester <tomfish@teleport.com>
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Terry Saaranen wrote:
> 
> I am looking for information on hatcheries in the portland and the
> possibilities of person finding work. I am currently a Materials Research
> Technican in the semiconductor industry looking for a possible career
> change. I am use to working outside and physical labor is not a problem.
> 
> TerryI am an instructor in the Fisheries Technology program at Mt. Hood 
Community College in Gresham, OR. Yes there are hatcheies in the Portland 
area. Your best chance at getting a job in hatcheries is probably to go 
through our program. If you are interested email me at 
tomfish@teleport.com
-- 
************************************************************************Tom Worcester
Portland, Oregon
tomfish@teleport.com
   
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From mchris@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Sat Aug  3 10:53:02 EDT 1996
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From: mchris@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (Mike Christensen ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT)
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: >Does anyone out there know of a means that does not involve algae to
: >remove nitrate from sea water?
: >
: >Loy Wilkinson


: Loy,

: I saw a talk once by a guy that has squid in aquaria at UTMB
: (University of Texas Medical Branch) in Galveston.  The squid are used
: for medical research and have a very high value.  He has some kind of
: aquarium system that is computer automated down to making adjustments
: and even deciding if a problem is important enough to call and wake a
: person to tend to it.  Anyway, the thing I really was impressed by was
: his nitrate removal system.  He used an anaerobic digester.  Basically
: he deoxygenated the water with nitrogen gas in a packed column, sent it
: to the digester (it also was fed some methanol) where the nitrates were
: consumed by anaerobic bacteria (just like a house septic tank).  Then
: the water is sent to another column and reoxygenated before going back
: to the tank.  An elegant solution to an old problem to be sure.  I hope
: this helps give you some ideas.

: Brett Rowley

The person you're referring to is Phillip Lee.  The Living Seas at Epcot 
Center uses a similar system, because they can't dump any water from 
their system into the sewer.  They have to recycle completely.  What they 
have been doing until recently is batch culture methods.  When they 
backwash the big filters, the water is put into a settling basin and 
allowed to settle for a few days.  Then they pump it into another basin 
and just allow it to go anaerobic for a period of time.  They have just 
recently switched to a system similar to Phillip's to allow continuous 
flow, but for simpler systems the two settling tank system works pretty well.

Mike Christensen
Research Associate
Civil Engineering Aquatic Systems Laboratory
Louisiana State University


From c8840490.alinga.newcastle.edu.au Sat Aug  3 10:53:03 EDT 1996
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From severine.delhaye@gkss.de Sat Aug  3 10:53:04 EDT 1996
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Could anyone give me some informations concerning biofilm on composite 
silicon membranes : antifouling, means of prevention ...

Thanks in advance.

Severine.


From c8840490@alinga.newcastle.edu.au Sat Aug  3 10:53:05 EDT 1996
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Help wanted on trapping methods:


From mdarrach@jpl.nasa.gov Sat Aug  3 10:53:06 EDT 1996
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What is the best way for a field "drying" of marine biological samples.
I have a number of seastars (12" diam.) which I want to dry out.  I was 
thinking of putting them in a tupperware dish in the fridge with some 
silica jel.  Does this sound reasonable?

Please respond by email if possible.  Thanks


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From amacnow@igc.apc.org Sat Aug  3 10:53:08 EDT 1996
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	Is it true that Earth Island Institute has received millions
	of dollars from the Star Kist tuna company for "administering"
	the "dolphin-safe" campaign, as revealed by Congressman
	Cunningham on the floor of Congress the other day?

	Please reply to this point.

	Thank you.

	Alan Macnow



From torshans@online.no Sat Aug  3 10:53:09 EDT 1996
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My son at 7 asked me if fishes sleep, and if they do - how do they do it?
(ie. do they lie down at the bottom, do they swim, etc.) I'm embarresed 
to say that I'm not to well versed in this matter:) Anyone care to drop 
me a few lines explaining "all there is" about fish and their sleeping 
habits?

In advance, thanks
Torstein Hansen
torshans@online.no




From charmes3@multi-medias.ca Sat Aug  3 10:53:10 EDT 1996
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Hi!

We are looking for information on the implementation and upkeep of 
smallmouth bass habitats in a river here in Sherbrooke, Qc. We know that 
there is a small population of smallmouth bass already in the river but 
would like to increase their population by creating and finding a way to 
maintain habitats. The river freezes over in winter and then rises in 
the spring, eroding the banks and the riverbed. During summer, it flows 
at approximately 0.5m/s.

Thanks,

Diana Frost
Assistant Biologist




From itc@i-link.net Sat Sep 14 11:58:45 EDT 1996
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              Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium 
                       October 4 - 6, 1996, Dallas, Texas 
           Sponsored by Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research 
                          and the Seraph Foundation

For more information or to register: 
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This conference/symposium is hosted by the Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research.
IAWSR is a not for profit membership association dedicated to the promotion of advanced water
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    Jim Beal, Ron Carson, Dr. Lee Cowden MD, Prof. Carlton Hazlewood, 
    Dr. Stuart Hameroff, Dr. Tony Scott-Morley MD, Prof. Elizabeth Rauscher, 
    Dr. William Rea MD, Glen Rein, Prof. James Roberts, Joseph Tyls.

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    hydrodynamics, water purification technology, electrolysis, 
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From loyw@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:58:46 EDT 1996
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From: loyw@aol.com (LOYW)
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Subject: Ammonia & Nitrate Removal from Sea Water
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Has anyone out there had experience with removal of ammonia or nitrate
>from  sea  water using ion exchange resins?  If so what are the conditions
and what is the resin.

Loy Wilkinson
Coastal BioMarine


From vavra@arco.com Sat Sep 14 11:58:47 EDT 1996
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I remember years ago walking along the beach at Assateague National 
Seashore (MD) on a moonless night.  Not only was the surf highlighted 
by the bioluminescent plancton, but every footstep on the wet sand 
glittered with millions of light blue stars.  You could write words in 
the sand with you finger, like writing with stardust.  I've seen the 
occurrence a few times since then, but never quite so spectacularly.  
Ain't nature amazing?

Cheers


From seliason@awod.com Sat Sep 14 11:58:48 EDT 1996
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From: seliason@awod.com (Steve)
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Very well stated Brett!

-Steve-

In article <4vuqu0$ksj@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, brett3@ix.netcom.co says...
>
>In <3222727B.63A4@pacbell.net> sgodfrey@pacbell.net writes: 
>>
>>DuMarAnn wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are there any fishery jobs out there?  Please advise.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sure... Just show up in any coastal Alaskan town from April to October 
>>and announce your sobriety.  You'll be working in five minutes!  If you 
>>are looking for a professional position you'll have to stand in line
>and 
>>wait for that precious 15K/year job counting in some mosquito infested
>
>>rivermouth.  But don't be discouraged...
>
>
>Your right, to an extent.  Most of the fisheries grads I've run across
>end up in other industries for two reasons.  First, beginning positions
>in fisheries or aquaculture don't pay very well, and second, the work
>is long and hard.  However, if they do stick it out, they can reap the
>rewards.  I have been in fisheries for 16 years, I don't have much
>money, but my office is huge-the whole county, really, and more.  I see
>the sun rise, and set-its always different and always beautiful.  I get
>the satisfaction of seeing the fish that God helps me to produce-being
>enjoyed for thier beauty, sport, or contributing to the strength of our
>bodies.  I get to work with big machinery-I think that's really fun,
>pumps, tractors, fish trucks, backhoes, bulldozers, etc. all cool
>stuff.  I set my own schedule, well not really, the fish set it, but it
>always works out so I get to spend some time with my kids.  There is
>the other side, I spend a lot of time getting wet, cold and ant bit. 
>Dead fish smell really bad and nobody but another fish culturists seems
>to understand.  I have had four jobs in the time my wife has had one
>(she is an ultimately employable nurse).  She makes in 3 days what I do
>in 6 (I'm glad of it and thankful, too).  I am sick, I must be near to
>the fish and when I drift away into a bunch of papers, I have to do
>something else, what I have to do.  This keeps me from making the big
>time.  That, and some fish are really spiney, no telling how much of my
>blood has been lost in that time.  Tilapia, hybrid stripers, channel
>and blue cats, bullheads, sunfish, bass, they all have gored me from
>time to time.  Perhaps that is why I had to raise a batch of shiners,
>no spines.  Anyway, there are jobs, plenty of them.  I have had trouble
>attracting fisheries students and must usually resort to locally
>available labor.  I know that the jobs I have are back breaking and low
>pay, but they also have launched a dedicated few, many not students of
>fisheries, into fish related careers that are rewarding and fun.  I
>guess my advice to a young student of fisheries would be to take that
>low paying, hard labor job working nights on a catfish farm, seining
>tons of fish, being a clerk in a pet fish store, a laborer in a
>hatchery, a worker on a fishery survey crew, and all the other
>unglamorous positions that open the doors to the better jobs.  Of all
>the myriads of people I know that have risen to the job of general
>manager, chief biologist, dept.
>head, etc. 9 of 10 started at the bottom and worked up.  Don't be
>discouraged, or afraid of failing.  Just do it.
>
>Brett Rowley
>Fisheries Biologist
>Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
>West Columbia, Texas
>
>http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html



From amy@chescen.kiev.ua Sat Sep 14 11:58:50 EDT 1996
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From gck@worldpath.net Sat Sep 14 11:58:51 EDT 1996
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From: greg kneeland <gck@worldpath.net>
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Subject: Bird Solutions Wanted
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 20:02:41 -0400
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Hi,
Does anyone have any solutions to a incredible bird problem that we have
at our hatchery? We've tried netting, mesh fences, bird-eyes,scarecrows
and just about everything else. Fencing in the whole hatchery would be
ideal but isn't feasible.

gck@worldpath.net


From sfpo@zetnet.co.uk Sat Sep 14 11:58:52 EDT 1996
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From: Shetland Fish Producers <sfpo@zetnet.co.uk>
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Could someone please tell me what the effects of Ivermectin and 
Cypermethrin are on the marine ecosystem (especially on crabs/lobsters).
Any information on the above chemicals would be much appreciated.

Marvin Smith
Shetland Fish Producers Organisation
Shetland Fishermen's Association



From brett3@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 11:58:53 EDT 1996
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
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In <322B75A1.453A@worldpath.net> greg kneeland <gck@worldpath.net>
writes: 
>
>Hi,
>Does anyone have any solutions to a incredible bird problem that we
have
>at our hatchery? We've tried netting, mesh fences,
bird-eyes,scarecrows
>and just about everything else. Fencing in the whole hatchery would be
>ideal but isn't feasible.
>
>gck@worldpath.net


Greg,

Age old problem.  When I ran a 4000 acre catfish farm near the coast,
we had more birds than you could shake a stick at.  I never found an
ideal solution, but was able to address the problem.  I hired lots of
high scholl kids to ride 4 wheelers and hovercrafts around the ponds. 
I had a permit to kill some types of birds, you get the permit from the
USFWS.  During especially heavy bird times I added a helicopter to the
fleet.  I found that with constant harrasment, I could move the birds
off to other farms.  The problem is worst in the winter.  Huge flocks
of cormorants move in to the area.  They stay away from fish farms at
first because of harrassment around them.  Soon, however, they eat most
of the fish from ponds and lakes that are not patrolled and are forced
by hunger to risk harrasment in order to feed.  Increased patrols were
then required.  I found that a person and vehicle for every 200 acres
or so was necessary to keep from being wiped out.  The birds could eat
all the fish in a 15 acre pond in three days if not constantly run off.

The ultimate answer is to control pest bird species by reducing the
populations to an amount that can be supported by NATURAL food
supplies.  In particualr, the double crested cormorant needs to be
declared a pest and no longer protected until such time that they are
living in numbers that are not problematic.  I feel once this species
is in some kind of balance with the environment, the other species of
fish eating birds will alos have more natural food supplies and an
easier time of making it without having to hunt on fish farms.  

The species I got kill permits for were;

Double crested cormorant
Common egret
Common gulls and terns
Great Blue Heron

Species that were problematic but I had no kill permits for;

White pelican
Brown pelican
kingfisher
Louisiana Heron
Night heron
Green heron
Lesser blue heron
wood stork
Common loon

I guess the best thing was the hovercraft.  With a good operator, one
could go nearly anywhere in any weather.  They could fly over levees
and ponds in line with the birds and they made so much noise you could
here one for miles.  The birds were terrified of them.  I had four of
them and four kids to operate them.  It was something to watch them
remove a flock of pelicans, working in tandem and going over ponds and
ditches.  The drawbacks were these machines were not made for every day
work and were really difficult to keep running.  They had tempermental,
air cooled two stroke engines, kind of like a big weedeater, and just
as tempermental.  They required daily servicing of the engines, I
learned that Rotax engines were worth the extra money over Cayuna
engines, that they ran best on premium fuel and oil, and that the
engines must be cleaned every day.  The boat part had to have its
skirts checked and torn ones repalced daily.  Nobody could work on the
motors right, a real problem.  But they did work on the birds.

The other thing, the hovercraft we used had one engine, 1/3 of the
power went to lift, 2/3 to thrust.  This arrangement made for tricky
operating requiring lots of nerve and forethought.  I think if you
could have seperate engines for lift and thrust, the operation would be
much simpler.

Best of luck with the birds,

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://home.cdsnet.net/~dearlix/index.html


From vertay@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:58:54 EDT 1996
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There is a non-target effects website at :
http://www.famu.edu/jamsrl/peis/
They were likely have your compounds listed here. good luck


From raa104@york.ac.uk Sat Sep 14 11:58:55 EDT 1996
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Hello all,




From raa104@york.ac.uk Sat Sep 14 11:58:57 EDT 1996
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Hello all,




From raa104@york.ac.uk Sat Sep 14 11:58:58 EDT 1996
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From: Richard Aukland <raa104@york.ac.uk>
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Subject: Length-Fec relationships. Read this one, ignore first two
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As I was saying, I am writing a computer model and I am in need of length 
fecundity relationships for tropical Reef species such as 
snappers,parrotfish,caesonids etc. If anybody has any then they would be 
gratefully received. 

Thanks, 
Richard Aukland, University of York.





From spilcher@together.net Sat Sep 14 11:58:59 EDT 1996
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I am looking for ways to limit/remove the population of leeches in my 1/2 
acre swimming pond in northern Vermont.  The pond is 8 years old, clay 
bottom, 10 feet deep. This is the first year the leeches have showed up 
(black on top, red on the bottom, 3/4" to 3" long).  Leeches presumably 
hitchhiked on some of the numerous pond visitors (ducks, geese,...).  I 
recently stocked the pond with some large mouth bass and shiners as my 
first defense.  Any ideas?


From diekhaus.pad@sni.de Sat Sep 14 11:59:00 EDT 1996
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From: diekhaus.pad@sni.de (Wilhelm Diekhaus)
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Hallo, 

has anyone informations about a freshwater-jellyfish ?

Tschuess
Willi



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.


From BEWALD@epamail.epa.gov Sat Sep 14 11:59:03 EDT 1996
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In article <322B75A1.453A@worldpath.net> greg kneeland <gck@worldpath.net> writes:
>From: greg kneeland <gck@worldpath.net>
>Subject: Bird Solutions Wanted
>Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 20:02:41 -0400

>Hi,
>Does anyone have any solutions to a incredible bird problem that we have
>at our hatchery? We've tried netting, mesh fences, bird-eyes,scarecrows
>and just about everything else. Fencing in the whole hatchery would be
>ideal but isn't feasible.

>gck@worldpath.net

    There are automatic-firing gas guns, which can be set to go off
at random intervals, but I don't have a name of a dealer or manu-
facturer.

                                                   Bill E.




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In <322DAB21.2AA6@together.net> Deb Gaynor <spilcher@together.net>
writes: 
>
>I am looking for ways to limit/remove the population of leeches in my
1/2 
>acre swimming pond in northern Vermont.  The pond is 8 years old, clay

>bottom, 10 feet deep. This is the first year the leeches have showed
up 
>(black on top, red on the bottom, 3/4" to 3" long).  Leeches
presumably 
>hitchhiked on some of the numerous pond visitors (ducks, geese,...). 
I 
>recently stocked the pond with some large mouth bass and shiners as my

>first defense.  Any ideas?

Leeches are susceptible to trichlorfon containing insecticides at 0.5
ppm active.  Usually requires more than one treatment every three or so
days.  A couple of brands are Dipterex, Masoton, Dylox.  None of these
should harm your fish, and in fact might remove other parasites they
have such as flukes and lice.  If I'm not mistaken, Dipterex is labeled
for aquatic mosquito control.

Brett


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From: sheddc@carr100.alleg.edu (Carlos Shedd)
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Is there anyone out there who could supply me with some information  
about aquaculture, aquaponics, hydropoonic, and greenhouse  
management??  Please reply to sheddc@alleg.edu
			Thank you 
			Carlos

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From: "Morgan T. Davidson" <MDAVIDSON@mail.infoave.net>
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Can anyone recommend a good book or books that covers the life history
and biology of Channel  Catfish and Bluegills?
 
<TIA>
Morgan


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ROV (remote operated vehicle) for rent incl. operator/pilot! Earliest
date 1.1.1997. 1000 ft deepth rating, low light colour video camera, 2
dof articulator-arm. Ideal for longtime observation, survey, under-ice
inspection etc.! Please contact me for further information!

                        Ulrich


From water_quality@trader.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:09 EDT 1996
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The most common freshwater jellyfish is Craspedacusta sowerbyi.  It has a
world-wide distribution and lives in small lakes and quarries, especially those
that are very clear.  There are other species (1 in China, 3 in Africa, 7 in
India, and 1 in Trinidad).  This jellyfish feeds mainly on zooplankton.
Maximum size is about 22 mm in diameter.
 
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From zep4@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:10 EDT 1996
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I have noticed that lobsters have crushing claw on left and tearing on
right while others are the opposite. Does anyone have any info  on this?
Any info would be great!

Thanks, 

Chris


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Does anyone know the gestation period of their egg cases. I have read that
skates in general take 6-12 months. Does anyone know what it is for the
clear-nose skate?

Thanks 

Chris


From flconnor@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:12 EDT 1996
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From: flconnor@aol.com (Flconnor)
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Subject: Re: freshwater-jellyfish
Date: 5 Sep 1996 20:51:16 -0400
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C. sowerbyi is common in many lakes in my area (central Florida).  My
experience is that they tend to be found in the clear water lakes although
the water clarity in some of our more eutrophic lakes (<30 cm) may simply
hide them.  I can't translate this to any ranges of water quality
parameters.  Most of the time they are barely noticable, existing as a
small polyp attached to vegetation, sticks, etc.  The medusa phase is also
the reproductive phase and seems to occur at intervals of varying
frequency, triggered by population density, temperature, day length, ???. 
Maybe someone has some information on reproductive behavior and timing. 
When the medusae appear people notice and our office gets calls from
supprised individuals.


From mbuechi@ra.abo.fi Sat Sep 14 11:59:13 EDT 1996
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From: Martin Buechi <mbuechi@ra.abo.fi>
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With help of a hair mineral analysis and a urine sample I have
recently found out that I have a relatively high mercury level.

As I have no amalgam fillings, but eat fish about twice a week,
I assume that this is my main source of mercury intake. As I
like to continue to eat fish, I would be interested in information
telling me which fish contain a low amount of mercury.

Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

-- Martin Buechi
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From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:14 EDT 1996
Article: 2385 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Subject: Re: Clear-nose skate
Date: 7 Sep 1996 13:35:56 GMT
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Hi

Good question. I have collected many skate embryos here in Nova Scotia. 
On any day, you can collect embryos from blastodisk to fully developed, 
yolk absorbed "juveniles". I have not been able to get an answer any 
closer then the one you have (6-12 mths). If you find it out, please let 
me know.

Lawrence 
biodiver@loki.atcon.com




From biodiver@loki.atcon.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:16 EDT 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Subject: Re: Books on Catfish and Bluegill
Date: 7 Sep 1996 13:39:11 GMT
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Hi

Try Freshwater Fishes of Canada, WB Scott and EJ Scott, Bulletin 184, 
Fisheries Research Board of Canada, Ottawa 1973.

LT




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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@loki.atcon.com>
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Subject: Re: Lobsters
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Hi

I've asked myself the same question, especially after filming two 20+ 
lbs. lobster together last summer. One had a left, the other, a right 
crusher. Maybe we should go to a lobster pound some time and do a little 
counting. Of course a large helping of lobster suppers wouldn't be a bad 
idea.

Cheers

Lawrence




From peter@taronga.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:18 EDT 1996
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I don't know about any of that, and I wouldn't be surprised by any
shenanigans Washington gets up to, but I do know that crossposting between
alt.animals.dolphins and the whaling activism groups has never in the
life of the net produced any useful information. Please don't. Thanks.

THIS message not crossposted to alt.animals.dolphins.



From ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:19 EDT 1996
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From: Masaaki Ishida <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
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If someone knows more detail of the following story, please 
let me know (sorry for my poor written English).

1. In June 1972, the U.N. Human Environment Conference was held in Stockholm.
   Prior to the conference, Olaf Palme, the Swedish Prime Minister had
   announced that the U.S. defoliation tactics in the Vietnam War would be
   discussed.

2. U.S. President Richard Nixon was to have the election in Nov. 1972.
   It was likely that he would be elected again, but different from other 
   candidates he did not have strong policy on the environmental issue.

3. In April 1971, he settled the Marine Mammal Protection Act and
   transferred the responsibility of whaling from the Department of
   Commerce to the Executive Office.
   Operation of two small whaling companies in California was stopped.

4. In June 1971, a symposium on whaling was held in Shenandoah National 
   Park.  It was sponsored by the U.S. government, Smithsonian Institution, 
   and some other organizations.
   People invited were scientists on the whale from ten countries.  
   At the symposium it was presented that whales were divided into
   two categories - those which were depleted by intensive whaling in the
   past, and those which could sustain commercial whaling if regulated
   properly.   It also agreed about the following request to IWC (International 
   Whaling Commission).

   1. To stop BWU (Blue Whale Unit) system to determine the catch quota, and 
      set catch quota specie-by-specie.
   2. To promote the scientific research of whale stock.
   3. To implement international observer system of whaling.

   1 and 2 of above requests were adopted by IWC in 1972.
   One thing to note was that no expert insisted the necessity of total ban
   of whaling.

5. In June 1971, the tentative agenda of the Human Environment Conference
   was completed.

6. In July 1971, Maurice Strong, the secretary general of the conference 
   announced that 10 years' moratorium of whaling was added to the agenda
   due to the request of the U.S. government.
   (Discussion about U.S. defoliation tactics in the Vietnam War was removed
   from the agenda, but I don't know when it was removed).

7. The U.N. conference started on June 5, 1972.
   At first U.S proposal about whaling moratorium was critically viewed 
   because it ignored IWC and it did not have scientific background.
   The proposal was to be discussed on June 8.
   On June 7, about 3,000 of environmental activists and hippies had "Save the 
   whale" meeting in the suburb of Stockholm.
   It was witnessed that Maurice Strong, the secretary general of the 
   conference, did "Save the whale" speech at this meeting though any official 
   deliberation on the U.S. proposal had not started yet.
   In the morning of June 8, the Japanese delegation was surprised to see
   that conference hall was empty.
   It turned out that the discussion in that day was somehow postponed without
   prior notice to them.
   Next morning, before the beginning of the discussion, Japanese delegation
   learned that many nations which were doubtful to the U.S. proposal had
   changed the position.
   The discussion started.   There was no explanation why the discussion was
   cancelled previous day.
   The resolution to propose 10 years' whaling moratorium was adopted by
   majority vote.

8. However, the 10 years' whaling moratorium was rejected by the IWC Scientific 
   Committee this year and next year.   Then U.S. changed the tactics and 
   finally achieved the moratorium in 1982 IWC meeting...
 
Seeing this process, I wonder why U.S. government strongly proposed the whaling
moratorium which was not supported by scientists.
Some people say it did not wish that the defoliation tactics in the Vietnam be
discussed at the conference, and some say Pentagon wanted to avoid the discussion
about disposal of nuclear waste to the deep sea, whose failure became known in
1980.   It is said that Pentagon mobilized so many activists and hippies to
stockholm.   It is likely that to promote whaling moratorium at the conference
was "two birds by one stone" for Nixon, one for his election and the other for 
Pentagon.   Of course, anti-whaling people say it was a purely motivated 
'environmental' politics to save whales.   

But one question remains.
The U.S. government does not disclose the documents about the process to the
U.N. Human Environment Conference because of the "national security of U.S."
If someone know about this better or have idea, please let me know.

Masaaki Ishida   <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
                 <http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html>


From harthorc@ziavms.enmu.edu Sat Sep 14 11:59:20 EDT 1996
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From: harthorc@ziavms.enmu.edu (Casey Harthorn)
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Hallo, I'm a grad student working with Lernea spp.  Does anybody know
of any good references for the laboratory culture of Lernea spp.?
Thanks -- C. Harthorn



From jeffross@wisenet.net Sat Sep 14 11:59:22 EDT 1996
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From: Jeff Ross <jeffross@wisenet.net>
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We are in the preliminary stages of constructing a pond in Seoul Korea. 
One of our primary goals is to stock the pond with a balanced fish
population.  These fish will not be harvested.  We are looking to
provide a balanced ecosystem, nuisance species control, etc.  If there
is anyone out there who has knowledge of stocking procedures in this
region, we would appreciate any help.  We are looking for fish species
composition, stocking rates, local providers, etc.  Design and
implementation of this project is taking place from Illinois, USA.


From turtle@whidbey.net Sat Sep 14 11:59:23 EDT 1996
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From: "Nancy Ging" <turtle@whidbey.net>
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Subject: Edible Crab Info
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Hello--

I need information for a book about edible crab on the Pacific US coast,
and hoped people reading this group might be able to help.

1. Where can I find a comprehensive list of edible west coast crab (not
just commercially valuable species, but *all* edible species)?
2. Among those of you familiar with crab biology, what are some of the most
intriguing facts about the edible crab species that you know of that
non-biologists or inland folks probably wouldn't know? (Examples: puffins
lay lopsided eggs to keep them from rolling off the rockeries, abalone have
blue eyes, slugs breathe through a hole in their sides, etc., etc.--weird
and wonderful things.)

Please email me privately with responses so I don't bother the list
further.
Thanks,
Nancy
turtle@whidbey.net



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Please give me your name, affiliation, phone, fax, and address. I will 
contact to you soon.
My e mail:tsicrad@ksts.seed.net.tw  or tsicchen@ms2.hinet.net



From peter.klikovits@siemensrolm.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:25 EDT 1996
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From: Peter Klikovits <peter.klikovits@siemensrolm.com>
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Subject: 5tons/week of catfish, costumer wanted
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Costumer/dealer/factory needed to process 5tons of catfish per week.

My brother has a big catfish farm in Austria/Europe and asked me if I
could help him marketing the fishes. He would need somebody in the
European Community who could handle/process 5 tons of fish per week. The
problem is that he has no processing plant and sells the fishes alive
but has very good transportation for live fishes.

Could you get me in touch with somebody how could process that amount of
alive fishes?

Thanks,

Peter Klikovits
e-mail: peter.klikovits@siemensrolm.com


From drasmuss@tekstar.com Sat Sep 14 11:59:26 EDT 1996
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Subject: Lake trout-habitat and misc
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Have been looking for information on the WWW for info on lake trout,
specifically information about its food and habitat.  I know that I
can find information in encylopedia and other printed sources, but
have gotten lost with all the related fisheries sites.  Can anyone
point me in the right direction?  Thank you.  Dave



From quinte@sentex.net Sat Sep 14 11:59:27 EDT 1996
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From: Barry Bruyea <quinte@sentex.net>
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The poster of the original article is obviously Japanese; so, we wonder
why he is trying to make the U.S. the bad guy in this discussion when
the worst whale butcher on earth is Japan; and has been for the last
20 years.






From golgo17@catnet.or.jp Sat Sep 14 11:59:28 EDT 1996
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From: Masaaki Ishida <golgo17@catnet.or.jp>
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Barry Bruyea wrote:
> 
> The poster of the original article is obviously Japanese; so, we wonder
> why he is trying to make the U.S. the bad guy in this discussion when
> the worst whale butcher on earth is Japan; and has been for the last
> 20 years.

Which point in my original article, do you think I was trying to make the
U.S. bad guy ?   It was only a question to know the behind-the-scene of the
history.
It is the fact that U.S. is opposing the whaling not from the scientific basis
but to fawn upon the interest of only environmental groups and animal right
groups.   Probably you have very poor knowledge on the whaling  because most 
U.S. media reports it based on the information of above groups.

Masaaki Ishida   <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
                 <http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html>


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Masaaki Ishida wrote:
> 
> Barry Bruyea wrote:
> >
> > The poster of the original article is obviously Japanese; so, we wonder
> > why he is trying to make the U.S. the bad guy in this discussion when
> > the worst whale butcher on earth is Japan; and has been for the last
> > 20 years.
> 
> Which point in my original article, do you think I was trying to make the
> U.S. bad guy ?   It was only a question to know the behind-the-scene of the
> history.
> It is the fact that U.S. is opposing the whaling not from the scientific basis
> but to fawn upon the interest of only environmental groups and animal right
> groups.   Probably you have very poor knowledge on the whaling  because most
> U.S. media reports it based on the information of above groups.

It's not just the media, Masaaki!  The propaganda these groups spew forth infests 
our educational systems at every level.


From oukyoj@soback.kornet.nm.kr Sat Sep 14 11:59:31 EDT 1996
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It has been a great problem in Korea that large mouth bass devates 
almost all korean fresh water ecological system.  The population of the 
basses has continuously increased, on scrification of native fishes, for 
last 20 years and no one knows when it ends.  

It will be appreciated if anyone provides the location which containing 
bass related info.


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In article <32387D0D.449@catnet.or.jp>,
Masaaki Ishida  <golgo17@catnet.or.jp> wrote:

I know Barry crossposted to both places, but could you guys please take
alt.animals.dolphins out of the group list in your followups?


From golgo17@catnet.or.jp Sat Sep 14 11:59:34 EDT 1996
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Peter da Silva wrote:
> 
> In article <32387D0D.449@catnet.or.jp>,
> Masaaki Ishida  <golgo17@catnet.or.jp> wrote:
> 
> I know Barry crossposted to both places, but could you guys please take
> alt.animals.dolphins out of the group list in your followups?

Oh, sorry that I was careless to have posted to all newsgroups that Barry 
crossposted.
After your first posting, I re-posted my original question to three politics
newsgroups since they also seemed to be adequate.
I added them this time in the list.
Since the Stockholm conference was 24 years ago, it looks no one is familiar
with its detail.

I have ever read that George Kennan (sorry if the spelling is incorrect) 
said at the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Upper House that the motivation
of U.S. government was to hide nuclear disposal.
But I don't know detail of this and whether it can be found in documents...

Masaaki Ishida   <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
                 <http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html>


From golgo17@catnet.or.jp Sat Sep 14 11:59:35 EDT 1996
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CouncilOf3 wrote:
> 
> Masaaki Ishida wrote:
> >
> > Barry Bruyea wrote:
> > >
> > > The poster of the original article is obviously Japanese; so, we wonder
> > > why he is trying to make the U.S. the bad guy in this discussion when
> > > the worst whale butcher on earth is Japan; and has been for the last
> > > 20 years.
> >
> > Which point in my original article, do you think I was trying to make the
> > U.S. bad guy ?   It was only a question to know the behind-the-scene of the
> > history.
> > It is the fact that U.S. is opposing the whaling not from the scientific basis
> > but to fawn upon the interest of only environmental groups and animal right
> > groups.   Probably you have very poor knowledge on the whaling  because most
> > U.S. media reports it based on the information of above groups.
> 
> It's not just the media, Masaaki!  The propaganda these groups spew forth infests
> our educational systems at every level.

Yes.   You are right.
And also many celebrities such as Gregory Peck, Carl Sagan, Paul McCartoney,
Olivia Newtonjon, John Denver, an old well-known German female movie-director
(I don't remember her name, but I have read her interview) who made propaganda 
movie of Nazis before WWII (the title was something like "Victory of Will"), etc.
(I know that Paul is a vegetarian, but I've never heard he laudly accuse other 
meat-eating habit as he did to whaling).
Maybe you can list up more.

Masaaki Ishida   <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
                 <http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html>


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Masaaki Ishida wrote:
> 
> CouncilOf3 wrote:
> >
> > Masaaki Ishida wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry Bruyea wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The poster of the original article is obviously Japanese; so, we wonder
> > > > why he is trying to make the U.S. the bad guy in this discussion when
> > > > the worst whale butcher on earth is Japan; and has been for the last
> > > > 20 years.
> > >
> > > Which point in my original article, do you think I was trying to make the
> > > U.S. bad guy ?   It was only a question to know the behind-the-scene of the
> > > history.
> > > It is the fact that U.S. is opposing the whaling not from the scientific basis
> > > but to fawn upon the interest of only environmental groups and animal right
> > > groups.   Probably you have very poor knowledge on the whaling  because most
> > > U.S. media reports it based on the information of above groups.
> >
> > It's not just the media, Masaaki!  The propaganda these groups spew forth infests
> > our educational systems at every level.
> 
> Yes.   You are right.
> And also many celebrities such as Gregory Peck, Carl Sagan, Paul McCartoney,
> Olivia Newtonjon, John Denver, an old well-known German female movie-director
> (I don't remember her name, but I have read her interview) who made propaganda
> movie of Nazis before WWII (the title was something like "Victory of Will"), etc.
> (I know that Paul is a vegetarian, but I've never heard he laudly accuse other
> meat-eating habit as he did to whaling).
> Maybe you can list up more.

This is anecdotal, but true:  A few years ago I enrolled my son in junior high school 
here in the Bay area.  The school was under a consent decree (basically gave liberals 
free reign) and filled to the brim with enviro-fanatics.  When we entered the building 
to registar we were greeted by three armed police officers that directed us to the 
registration area.  As I found out, they were assigned to the school full-time.

The next day I dropped my son off in front of the school.  The three officers were 
standing there drinking coffee, and about twenty feet away two students were taking 
turns hitting on a joint.  The cops were completely oblivious.

The day after that I had to pick my son up early because he had a doctors appointment. 
I went to his science class to let him know I had arrived.  I watched outside the door 
for awhile in utter horror as the teacher drew a picture of an atomic bomb on the 
chalkboard and then proceeded to write "= George Bush and Dan Qualye" next to it.  He 
then brought out a globe and had the kids pass it around to each other while they 
chanted "The earth is our mother".  This is a common brainwashing technique.  The walls 
were plastered with pictures of whales and dolphins doing everyday human things; 
shopping, driving cars, dressed up in suits, etc.  On either side of the chalkboard 
were maps of Japan and Norway - both had darts stuck in them...

I removed my son from the school the next day and enrolled him in a private 
institution.

To top all this off, I received three calls from the junior high over a two day 
period were a secretary asked me why my son had been absent the passed couple of 
days... By that time it had been six months since I took him out of that school.


From jjent@xtra.co.nz Sat Sep 14 11:59:38 EDT 1996
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From: Terry James <jjent@xtra.co.nz>
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Thr japanese have only comerically gone whaleing since the second world
war with assistance of other countries. This was to supplment the
protine
needed by a nation crushed after the war. that is now over 50 years ago
and there are many other ways to obtain this now besides killing whales.

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From golgo17@catnet.or.jp Sat Sep 14 11:59:39 EDT 1996
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CouncilOf3 wrote:
> 
> This is anecdotal, but true:  A few years ago I enrolled my son in junior high school
> here in the Bay area.  The school was under a consent decree (basically gave liberals
> free reign) and filled to the brim with enviro-fanatics.  When we entered the building
> to registar we were greeted by three armed police officers that directed us to the
> registration area.  As I found out, they were assigned to the school full-time.
> 
> The next day I dropped my son off in front of the school.  The three officers were
> standing there drinking coffee, and about twenty feet away two students were taking
> turns hitting on a joint.  The cops were completely oblivious.
> 
> The day after that I had to pick my son up early because he had a doctors appointment.
> I went to his science class to let him know I had arrived.  I watched outside the door
> for awhile in utter horror as the teacher drew a picture of an atomic bomb on the
> chalkboard and then proceeded to write "= George Bush and Dan Qualye" next to it.  He
> then brought out a globe and had the kids pass it around to each other while they
> chanted "The earth is our mother".  This is a common brainwashing technique.  The walls
> were plastered with pictures of whales and dolphins doing everyday human things;
> shopping, driving cars, dressed up in suits, etc.  On either side of the chalkboard
> were maps of Japan and Norway - both had darts stuck in them...
> 
> I removed my son from the school the next day and enrolled him in a private
> institution.
> 
> To top all this off, I received three calls from the junior high over a two day
> period were a secretary asked me why my son had been absent the passed couple of
> days... By that time it had been six months since I took him out of that school.

It looks situation in U.S. is much out of my imagination.
My own experience on the whaling issue while I was in U.S. was the following, but the 
degree of severity is much less than your story.

    In 1989, the annual meeting of the IWC (International Whaling Commission) was held
    in San Diego.   Since I was interested in what were going on, I watched CNN news.
    It reported that the number of blue whales in the Antarctic was estimated to be 
    several hundreds, and it was broadcasted that Japanese commissioner to IWC was saying 
    that the whaling issue is cultural crash.

    Watching this, I wonder how many people would think that Japan was exploiting the
    depleted blue whale on the pretext of culture.
    The fact that the species of whale Japan was taking was minke whale whose population
    was estimated to be several times of the initial stock size, was not mentioned at all.
    I wondered whether it is a 'technique' to report only the part of truth so that
    viewers would accept the wrong story as facts.

Masaaki Ishida   <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
                 <http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html>


From golgo17@catnet.or.jp Sat Sep 14 11:59:41 EDT 1996
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Terry James wrote:
> 
> Thr japanese have only comerically gone whaleing since the second world
> war with assistance of other countries. This was to supplment the
> protine
> needed by a nation crushed after the war. that is now over 50 years ago
> and there are many other ways to obtain this now besides killing whales.
> 

I want to know from what material you learned such a story.   The fact is -
Whaling industry in Japan, which was based on the coastal whaling, started in 
17th century in several villages.
Whales were consumed not only in these villages, but also consumed by
near large cities.
To utilize the whale body not only as food but for many other purpose,
the highly specialized form of industry emerged prior to other industries.
But in 19th century, because of intense whaling by western nations such as U.S.,
large whales around Japan depleted, and seeing the success of Norwegian whaling 
in Antarctic, we started whaling there in 1930s.
What happened after the WWI was that because of shortage of the food and 
supported by poor knowledge of whale stocks at that time, too many blue and
fin whales were taken.   Also, eating of whale meat became popular because
of use of the whale meat for school lunch.

To your last sentence, I reply as follows.
If you see what you eat in your life, you will find substitute for each food.
Instead of eating A, you can eat B.
Also, instead of eating B, you can eat C, and so on.
Except for special cases, such as doctor's recommendation or religion, selection
of food is highly based on taste, and freedom of the choice of food is common
nature in the world.
Of course, harvest of depleted animals should not be done, but the population
of minke whale which whaling nations want to harvest is abundant.
(in the Antarctic, scientific study suggests that population of minke whales
started to increase before they started to be comercially harvested in 1970s,
because they could have too much food  as the result of decrease of blue whale 
which live on the same food)
Some people say whales are beautiful and harmless animals, but the critera of
'beauty' differs with individual and 'harmless' is applicable to many other 
animals which are harvested (if I say like this, soneone will oppose that whales 
are intelligent, without acceptable scientific evidence...).

The phenomenon seen in the whaling issue is that some people or groups, many of
them consume animal protein of not only domestic animals but also wildlife such
as fish, shellfish, etc. are trying to impose their taste on animals to people
who have different taste.
What I see here is a kind of selfish attitude which does not bear that other 
people have different taste, and thus want to block freedom of others.

In case of Japanese scientific whaling in particular, we are doing this based 
on the Article VIII of the International Convention for Regulation of Whaling,
on which IWC is based, and taking only several hundreds of minke whales from
estimated three-quarter million Antarctic minke whales, and scientific data
which can only be obtained from lethal study are accumulated so that resumption 
of whaling commercial can be done without damaging whale stock.

Anyway, whaling issue started to be as it is today when U.S. government started to 
determine its policy based not on experts' view but on whale/dolphin lovers' view.
The current situation inside IWC is anomalous because many decisions which are
contrary to the Convention are passed by simple majority vote.
It is questioned from the point of international law, and U.S. government is
responsible for distorting the IWC which is merely a fishery organization and
is not the forum to discuss moral or ethics.
This is the reason why I want to know what happened in U.S. govt. in early '70s
as described in my first posting.

Masaaki Ishida   <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
                 <http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html>


From lookma@sedona.net Sat Sep 14 11:59:42 EDT 1996
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CouncilOf3 wrote:
(snip)
> The next day I dropped my son off in front of the school.  The three officers were
> standing there drinking coffee, and about twenty feet away two students were taking
> turns hitting on a joint.  The cops were completely oblivious.
> 
> The day after that I had to pick my son up early because he had a doctors appointment.
> I went to his science class to let him know I had arrived.  I watched outside the door
> for awhile in utter horror as the teacher drew a picture of an atomic bomb on the
> chalkboard and then proceeded to write "= George Bush and Dan Qualye" next to it.  He
> then brought out a globe and had the kids pass it around to each other while they
> chanted "The earth is our mother".  This is a common brainwashing technique.  The walls
> were plastered with pictures of whales and dolphins doing everyday human things;
> shopping, driving cars, dressed up in suits, etc.  On either side of the chalkboard
> were maps of Japan and Norway - both had darts stuck in them...
> 

For those of you in countries other than the US, who may believe what's
been said, the forgoing is what we politely call "bullshit".


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Doug Von Gausig wrote:
> 
> CouncilOf3 wrote:
> (snip)
> > The next day I dropped my son off in front of the school.  The three officers were
> > standing there drinking coffee, and about twenty feet away two students were taking
> > turns hitting on a joint.  The cops were completely oblivious.
> >
> > The day after that I had to pick my son up early because he had a doctors appointment.
> > I went to his science class to let him know I had arrived.  I watched outside the door
> > for awhile in utter horror as the teacher drew a picture of an atomic bomb on the
> > chalkboard and then proceeded to write "= George Bush and Dan Qualye" next to it.  He
> > then brought out a globe and had the kids pass it around to each other while they
> > chanted "The earth is our mother".  This is a common brainwashing technique.  The walls
> > were plastered with pictures of whales and dolphins doing everyday human things;
> > shopping, driving cars, dressed up in suits, etc.  On either side of the chalkboard
> > were maps of Japan and Norway - both had darts stuck in them...
> >
> 
> For those of you in countries other than the US, who may believe what's
> been said, the forgoing is what we politely call "bullshit".

So you were there, Doug?  Everything I said here was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 
but the truth.  This story is not unusual here in the states.  Our public school system is 
in utter shambles, and we can all thank our "enlightened" liberals and socialist teachers 
unions.

BTW, Doug, I don't like being called a liar, so GFY!

--
Eo


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CouncilOf3 wrote:
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> > For those of you in countries other than the US, who may believe what's
> > been said, the forgoing is what we politely call "bullshit".
> 
> So you were there, Doug?  Everything I said here was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.  This story is not unusual here in the states.  Our public school system is in utter shambles, and we can all thank our "enlightened" liberals and socialist teachers unions.
> 
> BTW, Doug, I don't like being called a liar, so GFY!

Get Fine Yaks? Good for You?


From abouto@pasteur.fr Sun Sep 15 11:06:38 EDT 1996
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   Hello,

   i am searching current informations about the half life of antibiotics
(oxytetracycline, furazolidone, quinolones or other compounds commonly
used in aquaculture) facing natural degradation in seawater. Also, i would
like to know if somebody already used technical procedures that shorten
this half life.

   Thank you by advance.

   Marc.


From afn29540@afn.org Fri Sep 27 15:25:47 EDT 1996
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From: Adam Kornick Wilson <afn29540@afn.org>
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Nancy Ging wrote:
This thread reminded me of a question I have always meant to answer.
Does anyone know of any regulations on the taking (i.e. harvesting) of
the common blue crab (Callinectes sapidus)?

Thanks

-- 
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From bcockman@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Fri Sep 27 15:25:48 EDT 1996
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From: bcockman@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Brett Cockman)
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Could someone suggest a source of Coregonus sp. (Whitefish) eggs. I wish
to obtain preserved eggs suitable for histology.
Please email me directly if you can offer any suggestions.
Thanks in advance,

Brett


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From: bcockman@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Brett Cockman)
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I wish to obtain contact details of the Amphioxus hatcheries in Asia
(China I think). Can someone provide this information or suggest the best
way to find out?
Thanks

Brett


From ernm38@aol.com Fri Sep 27 15:25:51 EDT 1996
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TRY INFISERMEN MAGAZINE


From elcoyotero@aol.com Fri Sep 27 15:25:51 EDT 1996
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From: elcoyotero@aol.com (ElCoyotero)
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I hope you mean customer, not costumer.  Then again, maybe a catfish looks
pretty good if its in the right get-up.

Jesse M. Purvis


From mbuna@msn.fullfeed.com Fri Sep 27 15:25:54 EDT 1996
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From: mbuna@msn.fullfeed.com (Sean O'Brien)
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I've made some changes to my web site., and would like your input on it.

Just Aquaria Web Site
http://msn.fullfeed.com/~mbuna/fish.htm

It's chock full of info on freshwater, saltwater, reefs and ponds.

Thanks!

Sean
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From mofjeld@u.washington.edu Fri Sep 27 15:25:55 EDT 1996
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You might try either of the two titles below.

Author:       Villalon, Jose R.
Title:        Practical manual for semi-intensive commercial production of
              marine shrimp / Jose R. Villalon.
Pub. Info.:   Galveston, Tex. : Texas A & M University Sea Grant Program,
              c1991.
Phy Descript: vii, 104 p. : ill. ; 28 cm.
Notes:        "TAMU-SG-91-501.".
              "April 1991.".
              Includes bibliographical references (p. 103).
LC Subject:   Shrimp-culture -- Handbooks-manuals-etc.
(Still available from Texas A&M Seagrant for $15.00. TAMU Seagrant, 1716
Briarcrest, Suite 603 Bryan Tx 77802.)


Title:        Marine shrimp culture : principles and practices / edited by
              Arlo W. Fast and L. James Lester.
Pub. Info.:   Amsterdam ; New York : Elsevier, 1992.
Phy Descript: xv, 862 p. : ill., maps ; 25 cm.
Notes:        Includes bibliographical references and index.
LC Subject:   Shrimp-culture.
Other Author: Fast, Arlo Wade.
              Lester, L. J.
Series Info.: Developments in aquaculture and fisheries science ; 23.






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On 15 Sep 1996, Yap2 wrote:

> I have posted this message on other related newsgroups but I have not
> received an answer yet. Maybe somebody in this newsgroup can help me.
> What is the best reference book on shrimp farming? Please help.
>
>



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drasmuss@tekstar.com wrote:
> 
> Have been looking for information on the WWW for info on lake trout,
> specifically information about its food and habitat.  I know that I
> can find information in encylopedia and other printed sources, but
> have gotten lost with all the related fisheries sites.  Can anyone
> point me in the right direction?  Thank you.  Dave

While I do not have any specific sites for you I would look hard thru
sites in Ontario, canada and the infromation there from the ministry and
universities.  I have always been impressed with the canadians work on
lake trout.  Also I would search for specific things on one of the
internet search sites, like just the scientific name (Salvelinus
namaycush) to limit the info and maybe search for lake trout and great
lakes and the states around the great lakes (mainly Superior) such as MN
or Wis.  Good luck, it seems you can find almost anything if you keep at
it.  Greg
-- 
Greg Van Eeckhout
Limnologist (I Study Lakes and Rivers)
MSU Water Resource Center
http://www.mankato.msus.edu/dept/water/WRCweb/wrc_2.html
"Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience"



From itc@i-link.net Fri Sep 27 15:25:58 EDT 1996
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*** REMINDER- ADVANCED WATER SCIENCES SYMPOSIUM IN THREE WEEKS! ***

*** PLEASE FORWARD TO COLLEAGUES THAT MAY BE INTERESTED. ***

*** Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium, Oct 4-6, 1996 ***

You are invited to attend the Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences
Symposium, Oct 4-6, 1996 at the Bristol Suites-Dallas at LBJ&Coit.
Program and Registration Information are included in this email and can
also be found at the following web sites:

Program Information         
http://www.vitalenergy.com/water/schedule.html
Registration Information     http://www.vitalenergy.com/water/

For more information contact:

Second Advanced Water Sciences Symposium
    P.O. Box 1295
    Dallas, Texas 75355-1295
    fax: (214) 827-6575
    email: seraph@metronet.com
    
phone (214) 682-9162 or see symposium web site at
http://vitalenergy.com/water

This conference/symposium is hosted by the Institute for Advanced Water
Sciences Research. IAWSR is a not for profit membership association
dedicated to the promotion of advanced water sciences and the free
exchange of ideas that contribute to the advancement of water science.
IAWSR and the symposium provide a forum for members and contributing
individuals to exchange ideas in the following water related subjects: 

Hard Science:
    hydrodynamics, water purification technology, electrolysis, 
    bond angle relationships and energy states,  
    environmental issues, photo chemistry, ionics, ORP, 
    chemistry, oxidative states in water.

Interdisciplinary:
    vortex mechanics, magnetic resonance in water, liquid crystal
    states, advanced ozonation, colloidal chemistry, structured water, 
    homeopathic effects in relationship to energized water,
    radio frequency effects on water, energization states in water,
    magnetic field effects on water dynamics and structure, 
    energy systems utilizing water dynamics or structure.

Exploratory:
    subtle energy effects in water, consciousness and water, 
    effects of harmonic geometries on water, scalar wave effects on
    water, energization and transformation in the water molecule, 
    memory in water states, biological effects of energized and 
    structured water.
    
Confirmed invited speakers:
    Joseph Bender: keynote speaker "The Stewardship of Water", and also
    Ron Carson, Dr. Lee Cowden, Prof. Carlton Hazlewood, 
    Dr. Stuart Hameroff, Dr. Anthony Scott-Morley, Prof. Elizabeth
    Rauscher, Dr. William Rea, Prof. James Roberts, Joseph Tyls.

Symposium Sponsored by a grant from:
    Avani Water Corporation

Organizing Sponsors are:
    Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research
    Seraph Foundation
    MetaLabs Foundation Trust
    Advanced Environmental Partners 


*** Preliminary Program  ***
Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium, Oct 4-6, 1996 
Bristol Suites-Dallas at LBJ&Coit 

The following papers have been invited or selected for oral presentation
as indicated below. Other invited and submitted papers will be published
in the symposium proceedings. Additional papers can still be submitted
for review upto Aug 31 for inclusion in the proceedings. The due date
for photo ready papers is Aug 31, 1996. See detailed author instructions
for submitting final papers at http://vitalenergy.com/water/author.html. 


====================================================================
======================  Friday pm, Oct 4, 1996 =====================

 6:00 -  9:00  Registration, Reception, and cash bar

====================================================================
=====================  Saturday am, Oct 5, 1996  ===================

Session 1:     KEYNOTE ADDRESS      
----------     General Chair: Doug Matzke

 8:30 -  9:45  The Stewardship of Water
               Joseph Bender (Rainfresh Water)

 9:45 - 10:00  --- BREAK ---

Session 2:     Hard Sciences Session
----------     Session Chair: Vernon Porter

10:00 - 10:40  Water: The Almost Universal Solvent
               Prof. James Roberts (University of North Texas)

10:40 - 11:20  Monitoring water in various chemical systems
               with a new microwave based analyzer
               Sam Shortes & Bently Scott (Phase Dynamics, Inc)

11:20 - 12:00  Model for Weak Magnetic Field Bioeffects:
               Modulation of Bound Water Dipole Orientation
               via Larmor Precession Affects Surface Kinetics
               AA Pilla, DJ Muehsam, MS Markov 
               (Bioelectrochemistry Lab, Mount Sinai School of Medicine)

12:00 -  1:15  --- BUFFET LUNCH INCLUDED ---

====================================================================
=========================  Saturday pm  ============================

Session 3:     Interdisciplinary Session 1 (Biowater)
----------     Session Chair: Joe Kleinkort 

 1:15 -  1:55  Cellular Water
               Prof. Carlton Hazlewood (Baylor College of Medicine)

 1:55 -  2:35  Clinical Research in Homeopathy and Specialized Water
               Dr. Lee Cowden (Life Research Institute, Inc)

 2:35 -  3:15  Wholy Water
               Joseph Tyls (L.P.N. USA)
 
 3:15 -  3:30  --- BREAK ---

Session 4:     Exploratory Session 1 (EMF, Chi, and Water) 
----------     Session Chair: Anthony Wood

 
 4:10 -  4:50  The Reality of Imprinting Chi and Water
               Y. Khronos, D. Chen, D. Matzke, A. Wood, V. Porter 
               (Seraph Foundation)

 4:50 -  5:30  Human energy, ELF and RF fields, delayed re-emissions,
               and the media & role of water in biological process
               Prof. Elizabeth Rauscher (TRL Laboratories)

 5:30 -  8:00  --- BREAK FOR DINNER ---
 
 8:00 - 10:00  Birds of a Feather discussion sessions (TBA)
 
====================================================================
=====================  Sunday am, Oct 6, 1996  =====================

Session 5:     Interdisciplinary Session 2 (Biowater)
----------     Session Chair: Karl Kortemeyer

 8:30 -  9:15  Water pollutants and effects on people
               Dr. William Rea (Environmental Health Center - Dallas)
               
 9:15 - 10:00  Cytoplasmic Water
               Dr. Stuart Hameroff (University of Arizona)

10:00 - 10:30  --- BREAK ---

Session 6:     Exploratory Session 2
----------     Session Chair: Doug Matzke

10:30 - 11:15  Formant Water and the Universal Algorithm
               Dr. Anthony Scott-Morley (Institute of Bioenergetic
Medicine)

11:15 - 12:00  Legacy of Marcel Vogel
               Ron Carson (Lifestream Associates)

12:00 - 12:15  Symposium Closing

==============================================================================
==============================================================================

                           PLEASE POST AND FORWARD

This file is located at http://vitalenergy.com/water/schedule.html. 

Registration information and cost can be found on the AWS Symposium home
page http://vitalenergy.com/water. 



*** Registration Information ***
Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium 
October 4 - 6, 1996, Dallas, Texas 
Sponsored by Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research and the
Seraph Foundation

Below is the registration information for the Advanced Water Sciences
Symposium (AWS96) to be held in Dallas, TX, October 4-6, 1996. See the
list of confirmed invited speakers and see the preliminary schedule of
technical sessions. The conference registration form and payment should
be sent in by Friday, September 6, 1996 to qualify for the early
registration discount. Please make your own hotel reservations directly
with the hotel by Friday, September 13, 1996 to be included in reserved
block of rooms. 

Send registration form from below and payment to:
    Second Advanced Water Sciences Symposium
    P.O. Box 1295
    Dallas, Texas 75355-1295
    fax: (214) 827-6575
    email: seraph@metronet.com
    
For more information: 
phone (214) 682-9162 or see symposium web site at
http://vitalenergy.com/water.


*** ADVANCED WATER SCIENCES SYMPOSIUM TRANSPORTATION ***

IAWRS has arranged a 5% fare discount for the symposium with American
Airlines. Call the AA meetings services desk at 1-800-433-1790 and tell
them your desired AA flights. Give them the Star File number S2506AE,
and they will book your flight with a 5% discount. 

Rental Cars: All of the major car rental companies serve both Dallas
airports, although only Avis, National, Hertz, and Budget are on-site at
DFW. Ask for directions to The Bristol/Harvey Hotel at the rental desk.
Obtain Avis discount of 5% when using group discount number D004278.
Airport/Hotel Shuttles: Super Shuttle provides van shuttles to/from the
symposium hotels. The taxis or vans are available outside the terminals
on the lower level at DFW, and in front of the main terminal at Love
Field. Estimated distance to the hotel from DFW is about 15 miles, and
>from  Love field is about 12 miles.

Phone number for van service directly to hotel is: 

  Super Shuttle: (800) 258-3826 [BLUE-VAN]; to/from DFW $12.00 per
person;  
  to/from Love Field $15.00 per person. Visa/MC/AMEX/Diners Club
accepted.



*** HOTEL REGISTRATION/ACCOMMODATIONS ***

All AWS symposium events will be held at the Bristol Suites, 7800 Alpha
Road, Dallas, TX, (one block NW from corner of Highway 635 & Coit Road).
We have reserved a block of rooms at both Bristol Suites and at the
adjacent Harvey Hotel. Reservations and room guarantee should be made
directly with the hotel of your choice at the following numbers: 

 date: Friday September 13 (***Deadline when block of rooms released***)
       (Ask for Advanced Water Sciences Symposium Group Rate)
 mail: Bristol Suites                or mail: Dallas Harvey Hotel
       7800 Alpha Road                        7815 LBJ Freeway (Highway
635)
       Dallas, Texas 75240                    Dallas, Texas 75251
 rate: US$89 (single or double)        rate:  US$59 (single or double)
       US$99 (triple or quadruple)            US$69 (triple or
quadruple)
       Includes full breakfast                room only
 phone: (214) 233-7600                  phone:  (214) 960-7000
 fax:  (214) 701-8618                  fax:   (214) 788-4227



*** ADVANCED WATER SCIENCES SYMPOSIUM REGISTRATION ***

The early registration fee is $175 before September 6 and the on site
registration fee of $250 applies after that date. A student discount
registration fee will be $100. Registration fee includes Friday evening
reception, access to all technical sessions (all day Saturday and half
day Sunday), Saturday lunch, and one copy of proceedings. IAWSR will
accept both checks and all major credit cards for registration. We can
accept payment by CHECK drawn from US banks or US money order payable to
Advanced Water Sciences Symposium. To aid in our planning, PLEASE
REGISTER AND PAY IN ADVANCE because we have a maximum number of people
we can accommodate at the conference. 

A registration table will be set up at the Friday evening reception, and
before the Saturday morning keynote session. Please stop by to register
and pick up your registration packet, including a copy of proceedings.
Additional proceedings can be preordered. Information about the location
of the reception and symposium talks will be available at the hotel
check-in desk. 

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                     REGISTRATION FORM for Advanced Water Sciences
Symposium, 
                                    Dallas, Texas, Oct. 4-6, 1996 
                            Send to P.O. Box 1295, Dallas, Texas
75355-1295 
                          or FAX: (214) 827-6575 or email:
seraph@metronet.com

NAME/TITLE:_________________________________
AFFILIATION:______________________

MAILADDRESS:_______________________________
MAILCITY/STATE/ZIP:________________

TELEPHONE:____________________________________FAX:_____________________________

EMAIL
ADDRESS:_________________________________________________________________

TOPICS OF
INTEREST:____________________________________________________________

I PLAN TO ATTEND AWS:  YES___ NO___  THE RECEPTION FRIDAY EVENING:
YES___ NO___
I PLAN TO STAY IN DALLAS AT: Bristol Suites ____ Harvey Hotel ____ Other
_____ 

ANY SPECIAL DIETARY
REQUIREMENTS:______________________________________________

*****************************Payment
Information*******************************

Registration fee ($175 before Sept. 6)or($250 on site)or($100
student)_________
add Number of ADDITIONAL AWS Proceedings at $25.00 each              
_________
add IAWSR membership special conference rate of $25 per year         
_________

                                                       TOTAL FEE DUE:
_________

   CHECK ENCLOSED FOR (made payable to Advanced Water Sciences Symp):
_________
I AUTHORIZE PAYMENT OF ABOVE TOTAL FEE USING CREDIT CARD INFO BELOW:

CREDIT CARD NUMBER:___________________________________________________

CREDIT CARD TYPE: _________________  EXPIRATION DATE:_________________
  (receipts will be included in conference packets)
  (all registrations will be confirmed within 2-3 days)
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The Institute for Advanced Water Sciences Research will be setting it's
own Web site in the future. The web site is hosted by Seraph Foundation. 



From s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com Fri Sep 27 15:25:59 EDT 1996
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From: s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com(Steve Branstetter)
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Subject: Re: help on shrimps
Date: 16 Sep 1996 19:38:47 GMT
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On Sep 15, 1996 23:16:50 in article <help on shrimps>, 'yap2@aol.com
(Yap2)' wrote: 
>I have posted this message on other related newsgroups but I have not 
>received an answer yet. Maybe somebody in this newsgroup can help me. 
>What is the best reference book on shrimp farming? Please help. 
 
 
On Sep 15, 1996 23:16:50 in article <help on shrimps>, 'yap2@aol.com
(Yap2)' wrote: 
>I have posted this message on other related newsgroups but I have not 
>received an answer yet. Maybe somebody in this newsgroup can help me. 
>What is the best reference book on shrimp farming? Please help. 
 
My answer is somewhat vague, as my copy of the book is at home, but
although perhaps somewhat generic and maybe dated, there is a good overview
book available 
through Blackwell Publishing.  Title is something like Shrimp Capture and
Culture. 
 
There is a web page for publisher, http://www.blacksci.co.uk/fnb/ 
 
 
 
 
-- 
 
Steve Branstetter, Program Director 
Gulf & South Atl. Fisheries Develop. Fndn. 
Suite 997 Lincoln Center, 5401 W. Kennedy  
Tampa, FL  33609 
 
ph:813-286-8390      fax: 813-286-8261 
e-mail:  s_branstetter@usa.pipeline.com 


From hirota@cs.unc.edu Fri Sep 27 15:26:00 EDT 1996
Article: 2422 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: hirota@cs.unc.edu (Gentaro Hirota)
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Subject: how to eradicate snails?
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Hello,

Our 29g tank is infested with small snails.
What's wrong? They simply look ugli.
Are there any good ways to kill them all without
harming fish and shrimps in our tank?

Aquatronics seems to selling 'SNAIL-A-CIDE'.
Did somebody use it?

Does clown loaches really eat them?

Are there any insect larvae or zooplanktons that attack
fresh water snails? Light bugs? 

I'd appreciate any info or suggestions.

---------------------------------------------
 Gentaro Hirota
 UNC Computer Science Department
 CB #3175, Sitterson Hall
 University of North Carolina
 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
 Room 343
 office:(919)962-1853
 home:(919)969-8455
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From oketa@alaska.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:02 EDT 1996
Article: 2423 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: Lisa Seeb <oketa@alaska.net>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Atlantic salmon strays
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:07:07 -0800
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Can anyone recommend information sources for facts surrounding the 
recovery of Atlantic salmon that are escaping from British Columbia fish 
farms?  Are these fish spawining in streams in B.C., Alaska, or 
Washington?

Thanks


From biobarge@shore.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:03 EDT 1996
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From: biobarge@shore.net (Will Warren)
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Subject: Re: help on shrimps
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In article <51igr2$2di@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, yap2@aol.com (Yap2) wrote:

> I have posted this message on other related newsgroups but I have not
> received an answer yet. Maybe somebody in this newsgroup can help me.
> What is the best reference book on shrimp farming? Please help.

Please post any responses, as I'm interested as well.

Thanks,
Will


From yap2@aol.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:04 EDT 1996
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From: yap2@aol.com (Yap2)
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Subject: help on shrimps
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I have posted this message on other related newsgroups but I have not
received an answer yet. Maybe somebody in this newsgroup can help me.
What is the best reference book on shrimp farming? Please help.


From sheddc@quig10.alleg.edu Fri Sep 27 15:26:05 EDT 1996
Article: 2426 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: sheddc@quig10.alleg.edu (Carlos Shedd)
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Subject: Blue-Green Algae
Date: 17 Sep 1996 12:31:06 GMT
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I was wondering if anyone knows if I should keep a fish tank used in  
aquaculture in a dark rom or a room with light, either sun or  
artificial.  I hear a rumor that if the tanks are exposed to the  
light then blue-green algae will grow in them and give the fish bad  
taste.  How true is this comment??  By the way I'm planning on  
growing tilapia.  Any info will be appreciated, Carlos
			Sheddc@alleg.edu

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From eternity@mail.cybertron.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:07 EDT 1996
Article: 2427 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: eternity@mail.cybertron.com (Gillraker)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Need input Cobia, tarpon and Jack crevale
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:31:11 GMT
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 I deperately need some info on ,seaonal migrations, breeding and
spawning habits of Cobia, taron and Jack Crevale..around northern
florida ...Maby a website or just a few tidbits you might have read
about somewhere at one time or another...
 Any info would be greatly appreciated.....Post here or e-mail
me...makes no difference....Thanx

					Gill <|||||><



From hthyr@zipnet.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:08 EDT 1996
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From: Hakan Thyr <hthyr@zipnet.net>
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CouncilOf3 wrote:
> =

> Doug Von Gausig wrote:
> >
> > CouncilOf3 wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > The next day I dropped my son off in front of the school.  The thre=
e officers were
> > > standing there drinking coffee, and about twenty feet away two stud=
ents were taking
> > > turns hitting on a joint.  The cops were completely oblivious.
> > >
> > > The day after that I had to pick my son up early because he had a d=
octors appointment.
> > > I went to his science class to let him know I had arrived.  I watch=
ed outside the door
> > > for awhile in utter horror as the teacher drew a picture of an atom=
ic bomb on the
> > > chalkboard and then proceeded to write "=3D George Bush and Dan Qua=
lye" next to it.  He
> > > then brought out a globe and had the kids pass it around to each ot=
her while they
> > > chanted "The earth is our mother".  This is a common brainwashing t=
echnique.  The walls
> > > were plastered with pictures of whales and dolphins doing everyday =
human things;
> > > shopping, driving cars, dressed up in suits, etc.  On either side o=
f the chalkboard
> > > were maps of Japan and Norway - both had darts stuck in them...
> > >
> >
> > For those of you in countries other than the US, who may believe what=
's
> > been said, the forgoing is what we politely call "bullshit".
> =

> So you were there, Doug?  Everything I said here was the truth, the who=
le truth, and nothing
> but the truth.  This story is not unusual here in the states.  Our publ=
ic school system is
> in utter shambles, and we can all thank our "enlightened" liberals and =
socialist teachers
> unions.
> =

> BTW, Doug, I don't like being called a liar, so GFY!
> =

> --
> Eo

Would you mind telling us the name of the school, just for clarity?

-HT =

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H=E5kan Thyr	=

Phone/Fax: 617.787.2273
hthyr@zipnet.net


From ulind@indiana.edu Fri Sep 27 15:26:09 EDT 1996
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Subject: Public-school indoctrination?
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I'm new to this group, so if there's a history to this thread I don't
know about it.  And while I would say "liar" is a pretty harsh word, I
should think "CouncilOf3" might make a good candidate for a reporter job
with the National Enquirer or some other such journal.  Even if I were
inclined to accept his or her account of what went on at that school,
the assertion that "This story is not unusual here in the states" erodes
this person's credibility a little too far.  Such behavior would be
extremely rare and would almost certainly be grounds for reprimand or
worse in any public school system.  (On the other hand, maybe it
happened in a private school, where a political agenda might be
perfectly acceptable.  But then the answer is to stop sending your child
there.)

Don Ulin

Hakan Thyr wrote:
> 
> CouncilOf3 wrote:
> >
> > Doug Von Gausig wrote:
> > >
> > > CouncilOf3 wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > The next day I dropped my son off in front of the school.  The three officers were
> > > > standing there drinking coffee, and about twenty feet away two students were taking
> > > > turns hitting on a joint.  The cops were completely oblivious.
> > > >
> > > > The day after that I had to pick my son up early because he had a doctors appointment.
> > > > I went to his science class to let him know I had arrived.  I watched outside the door
> > > > for awhile in utter horror as the teacher drew a picture of an atomic bomb on the
> > > > chalkboard and then proceeded to write "= George Bush and Dan Qualye" next to it.  He
> > > > then brought out a globe and had the kids pass it around to each other while they
> > > > chanted "The earth is our mother".  This is a common brainwashing technique.  The walls
> > > > were plastered with pictures of whales and dolphins doing everyday human things;
> > > > shopping, driving cars, dressed up in suits, etc.  On either side of the chalkboard
> > > > were maps of Japan and Norway - both had darts stuck in them...
> > > >
> > >
> > > For those of you in countries other than the US, who may believe what's
> > > been said, the forgoing is what we politely call "bullshit".
> >
> > So you were there, Doug?  Everything I said here was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
> > but the truth.  This story is not unusual here in the states.  Our public school system is
> > in utter shambles, and we can all thank our "enlightened" liberals and socialist teachers
> > unions.
> >
> > BTW, Doug, I don't like being called a liar, so GFY!
> >
> > --
> > Eo
> 
> Would you mind telling us the name of the school, just for clarity?
> 
> -HT
> =============================================
> Håkan Thyr
> Phone/Fax: 617.787.2273
> hthyr@zipnet.net


From jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU Fri Sep 27 15:26:11 EDT 1996
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From: jmc@Steam.stanford.edu (John McCarthy)
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Subject: Re: Public-school indoctrination?
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The environmentalist, political indoctrination at my son's school,
Lucille M. Nixon Elementary School, in the Palo Alto School District,
Palo Alto, California wasn't as bad as that described in the previous
message.  The school had an outside organization, the Bay Area Action
Network, to come in and teach the children to make posters and recite
slogans.  My son's part was to recite the slogan, "Full Circle Food
Cycle" as rapidly as possible.  So far as I know, no named politicians
were described as bad guys.

In 1992 my son was six.  His nanny told me that when told him, in
answer to his question, that she thought I was going to vote for Bush,
he cried.  Somebody at school must have got to him, but maybe it was
just other kids.  Stanford is a liberal place.

-- 
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/




From pa19@tiac.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:12 EDT 1996
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Does anyone know the scientific latin name for the "blueback" trout
species.  That's what I have heard it called here in Maine, but I can't
find a listing for it in my books.  

-Paul


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Hakan Thyr wrote:
> 
> CouncilOf3 wrote:
> >
> > Doug Von Gausig wrote:
> > >
> > > CouncilOf3 wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > The next day I dropped my son off in front of the school.  The three officers were
> > > > standing there drinking coffee, and about twenty feet away two students were taking
> > > > turns hitting on a joint.  The cops were completely oblivious.
> > > >
> > > > The day after that I had to pick my son up early because he had a doctors appointment.
> > > > I went to his science class to let him know I had arrived.  I watched outside the door
> > > > for awhile in utter horror as the teacher drew a picture of an atomic bomb on the
> > > > chalkboard and then proceeded to write "= George Bush and Dan Qualye" next to it.  He
> > > > then brought out a globe and had the kids pass it around to each other while they
> > > > chanted "The earth is our mother".  This is a common brainwashing technique.  The walls
> > > > were plastered with pictures of whales and dolphins doing everyday human things;
> > > > shopping, driving cars, dressed up in suits, etc.  On either side of the chalkboard
> > > > were maps of Japan and Norway - both had darts stuck in them...
> > > >
> > >
> > > For those of you in countries other than the US, who may believe what's
> > > been said, the forgoing is what we politely call "bullshit".
> >
> > So you were there, Doug?  Everything I said here was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
> > but the truth.  This story is not unusual here in the states.  Our public school system is
> > in utter shambles, and we can all thank our "enlightened" liberals and socialist teachers
> > unions.
> >
> > BTW, Doug, I don't like being called a liar, so GFY!
> >
> > --
> > Eo
> 
> Would you mind telling us the name of the school, just for clarity?

James Lick Middle School - (415) 695-5675.  Give 'em a call if you want a good laugh.  Just 
hope the person you reach can speak English...


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Donald Ulin wrote:
> 
> I'm new to this group, so if there's a history to this thread I don't
> know about it.  And while I would say "liar" is a pretty harsh word, I
> should think "CouncilOf3" might make a good candidate for a reporter job
> with the National Enquirer or some other such journal.

No I wouldn't, I'm not a liberal willing to compromise my integrity...

> Even if I were inclined to accept his or her account of what went on at that school,
> the assertion that "This story is not unusual here in the states" erodes
> this person's credibility a little too far.

Which part?  The fact that police officers are assigned to schools, that schools are filled with 
leftist propaganda, or faculty are incompetent?

> Such behavior would be extremely rare and would almost certainly be grounds for reprimand or
> worse in any public school system.

Baah!  Like the teaching of gay ethos?

Even Camille Paglia admits that the downfall of EVERY modern culture was preceded by the 
cultivation and acceptance of perverse sexual practice.

> (On the other hand, maybe it happened in a private school, where a political agenda might be 
> perfectly acceptable.  But then the answer is to stop sending your child there.)

I did mention that I transferred my son to a private (respectable) institution, right?

--
Eo


From bwalker@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu Fri Sep 27 15:26:17 EDT 1996
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I am not sure if this is the correct group to post to but I am trying to
find resources on brine shrimp (Artemia) development.  If there is a
better place to ask, please e-mail me.  Your assistance is greatly
appreciated.

TIA

Brian Walker


From 74457.2647@compuserve.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:18 EDT 1996
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Hey,
      since you GFY'ed someone and are stupid enough to think liberals are
to blame for your own smallheadedness, here's to you, asshole!

Paul


From ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 27 15:26:19 EDT 1996
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I am helping prepare a paper on the status of freshwater habitat,
fisheries and stresses on them.  I would appreciate receiving
references to what you feel are key papers, or copies of them.

Don McAllister

--
Don E. McAllister, Canadian ##  & Ocean Voice International, Box 37026
Museum of Nature, P.O.B. 3443 ##  3332 McCarthy Road, Ottawa, ON K1V 0W0
Stn D,Ottawa,ON K1P 6P4  Tel. (613)264-8986, Fax: (613)264-9204
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From brett3@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:20 EDT 1996
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In <51m5ma$ibm@speering.alleg.edu> sheddc@quig10.alleg.edu (Carlos
Shedd) writes: 
>
>I was wondering if anyone knows if I should keep a fish tank used in  
>aquaculture in a dark rom or a room with light, either sun or  
>artificial.  I hear a rumor that if the tanks are exposed to the  
>light then blue-green algae will grow in them and give the fish bad  
>taste.  How true is this comment??  By the way I'm planning on  
>growing tilapia.  Any info will be appreciated, Carlos
>			Sheddc@alleg.edu
>
>-- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting --
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In the sun.  Blue green algea are tilapia food and water purifiers.  If
the fish taste funny, just prior to harvest, put a tarp over it, change
the water, add filtration, add algeacide, or something to change it.

BTW, which kind of tilapia are you going to be growing?  

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://waterscapes.com  


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From: Zbigniew Szmigiero <zbych@kiel1.kielce.pios.gov.pl>
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>From  genus:
Mordacia
Ichthyomyzon
Lampetra
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From dwalsh@capecod.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:22 EDT 1996
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From: dwalsh@capecod.net (Dennis Walsh)
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Subject: Re: Brine shrimp
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In article <323DB2FD.AB3@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>, Brian Walker
<bwalker@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> wrote:

> I am not sure if this is the correct group to post to but I am trying to
> find resources on brine shrimp (Artemia) development.  If there is a
> better place to ask, please e-mail me.  Your assistance is greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Brian Walker

Brian: 
the following post from the mailing list AQUA-L may help:
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:54:25 -0300
Reply-To: aqua-l@upei.ca
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Precedence: bulk
From: sbshrimp <sbshrimp@sandersbshrimp.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <aqua-l@upei.ca>
Subject: ARTEMIA SOURCES
X-Comment: Aqua-L - Aquaculture community list

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER YOUR INQUIRIES REGARDING 
SUPPLIERS OF ARTEMIA CYSTS.

SANDERS BRINE SHRIMP CO., L.C. IS THE OLDEST AND LARGEST BRINE SHRIMP 
COMPANY IN THE BUSINESS, AND WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY ARTEMIA 
CYSTS, ENRICHMENT PRODUCTS, AND OTHER LARVAL FEEDS.

SANDERS BRINE SHRIMP CO., L.C. HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1950.  WE HAVE 
PATENTED HARVESTING AND PROCESSING TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWS US TO SUPPLY 
THE HIGHEST GRADE PRODUCT AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN IN HOUSE LABORATORY AND LAB TECHNICIANS WHO TEST 
EVERY BATCH OF ARTEMIA THAT IS PROCESSED.  THEY ARE INVOLVED IN RESEARCH 
AND DEVELOPEMENT TO CONSTANTLY IMPROVE OUR TECHNIQUES.

WE HAVE A WORLDWIDE DISTRIBUTION NETWORK, AND THE SANDERS NAME IS WELL 
KNOWN FOR HIGH QUALITY.  WE CURRENLY SUPPLY THREE DIFFERENT GUARANTEED 
GRADES OF ARTEMIA CYSTS:  PREMIUM, GRADE A AND GRADE B;  ALONG WITH 
VARIOUS FLAKES, DRY DIETS, AND ENRICHMENT PRODUCTS.  PLEASE CONTACT ME 
AT THE OFFICE FOR PRICING AND SHIPPING INFORMATION.

ALSO, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP WITH YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING 
ARTEMIA CYSTS, HATCHING PROCEDURES, ETC.  PLEASE CONTACT US FOR MORE 
INFORMATION.

BEST REGARDS,

KIMBERLY STEPHENS
SALES AND MARKETING

Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:08:25 -0300
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Subject: Re: San Francisco brand artemia
X-Comment: Aqua-L - Aquaculture community list

Dear Ones,

In reference to the supply of true cysts of Artemia franciscana SFB strain we
would be happy to send you some.  Please contact us at the return E-mail
address or:
INVE AQUACULTURE, Inc.
POB 1306 
Grantsville, Utah 84029
Tel-801-884-3406
Fax-801-884-6492
We also have specialty cysts from  harvest sites around the globe.

Kindest regards,

Howard W. Newman
Executive Manager Americas


From dwalsh@capecod.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:23 EDT 1996
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From: dwalsh@capecod.net (Dennis Walsh)
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From: yap2@aol.com (Yap2)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: help on shrimps
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>I have posted this message on other related newsgroups but I have not
>received an answer yet. Maybe somebody in this newsgroup can help me.
>What is the best reference book on shrimp farming? Please help.

Try:
TITLE:  Aqua-Topics:  Freshwater Shrimp Culture
PUBLICATION DATE:  August 1993
ENTRY DATE:  May 1996
EXPIRATION DATE:  None
UPDATE FREQUENCY:  As needed
CONTACT: Aquaculture Information Center
         National Agricultural Library
         Agricultural Research Service
         U.S. Department of Agriculture
         10301 Baltimore Ave., Room 304
         Beltsville, MD  20705-2351
         301-504-5558; FAX:  301-504-6409
         TTY/TDD:  301-504-6856
         E-mail:  aic@nal.usda.gov
DOCUMENT TYPE:  text
DOCUMENT SIZE:  9.2k

TITLE:  Aquaculture:  Shrimp Farming  Jan. 1979-Apr. 1994 (QB 94-
43, July 1994)
PUBLICATION DATE:  July 1994
ENTRY DATE:  February 1996
EXPIRATION DATE:  None
UPDATE FREQUENCY:  None
CONTACT: Aquaculture Information Center
         National Agricultural Library
         Agricultural Research Service
         U.S. Department of Agriculture
         10301 Baltimore Ave., Room 304
         Beltsville, MD  20705-2351
         301-504-5558; FAX:  301-504-6409
         TTY/TDD:  301-504-6856
         E-mail:  aic@nal.usda.gov
DOCUMENT TYPE:  text
DOCUMENT SIZE:  86k

Yano, I. 1993. Ultraintensive culture and maturation in captivity of
penaeid shrimp. pp. 289-313. In: J. P. McVey (editor). CRC Handbook of
Mariculture. Crustacean Aquaculture. 2nd edition, Volume 1. CRC Press,
Boca Raton, FL, U.S.A.


From gboskou@eduserv1.rug.ac.be Fri Sep 27 15:26:24 EDT 1996
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	I am a food scientist in Belgium. My research field is quality and
preservation of fresh fish in the retail market. 
	I would like to open a discussion with other food scientists,
technologists, manufacturers or retailers in the same field.

==================================================
George Boskou        george.boskou@rug.ac.be
	http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~gboskou
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From bds@ipp-garching.mpg.de Fri Sep 27 15:26:25 EDT 1996
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From: bds@ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce Scott TOK )
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John McCarthy (jmc@Steam.stanford.edu) wrote:
: The environmentalist, political indoctrination at my son's school,
: Lucille M. Nixon Elementary School, in the Palo Alto School District,
: Palo Alto, California wasn't as bad as that described in the previous
: message.  The school had an outside organization, the Bay Area Action
: Network, to come in and teach the children to make posters and recite
: slogans.  My son's part was to recite the slogan, "Full Circle Food
: Cycle" as rapidly as possible.  So far as I know, no named politicians
: were described as bad guys.

As a Green, I think this sort of slgan-chanting is really bad.
Replacing one stripe of non-thinking conformist disinformation exercise
with another (I did all the hide-under-your-desk bomb drills at that
age) is not what you want to see in places of learning.  Slogans and
cheering remind me too much of what cults do.

: In 1992 my son was six.  His nanny told me that when told him, in
: answer to his question, that she thought I was going to vote for Bush,
: he cried.  Somebody at school must have got to him, but maybe it was
: just other kids.  Stanford is a liberal place.

It's OK.  If you had told this group you'd voted Clinton there would
have been lots of heart attacks (OK, maybe just spilled coffee).

:-)

--
Mach's gut!
Bruce Scott                                Congratulations to
bds@ipp-garching.mpg.de                    Ghada Shouaa,
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik      Olympic heptathlon champion!


From IMOORE@MIDCOAST.COM.AU Fri Sep 27 15:26:26 EDT 1996
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From: IMOORE@MIDCOAST.COM.AU (IAN MOORE)
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Subject: electric reel
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Hello, I have recently lost an arm (right) and have heard there are
reels available with electric motors to do the job of winding in. I
live in Australia, but any info from anywhere would be appreciated. I
would appreciate a reply by email if possible. Thanks for your time.

Regards
Ian Moore
imoore@midcoast.com.au



From ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:27 EDT 1996
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CouncilOf3 wrote:
> 
> Hakan Thyr wrote:
> >
> > CouncilOf3 wrote:
> > >
> > > Doug Von Gausig wrote:
> > > >
> > > > CouncilOf3 wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > The next day I dropped my son off in front of the school.  The three officers were
> > > > > standing there drinking coffee, and about twenty feet away two students were taking
> > > > > turns hitting on a joint.  The cops were completely oblivious.
> > > > >
> > > > > The day after that I had to pick my son up early because he had a doctors appointment.
> > > > > I went to his science class to let him know I had arrived.  I watched outside the door
> > > > > for awhile in utter horror as the teacher drew a picture of an atomic bomb on the
> > > > > chalkboard and then proceeded to write "= George Bush and Dan Qualye" next to it.  He
> > > > > then brought out a globe and had the kids pass it around to each other while they
> > > > > chanted "The earth is our mother".  This is a common brainwashing technique.  The walls
> > > > > were plastered with pictures of whales and dolphins doing everyday human things;
> > > > > shopping, driving cars, dressed up in suits, etc.  On either side of the chalkboard
> > > > > were maps of Japan and Norway - both had darts stuck in them...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > For those of you in countries other than the US, who may believe what's
> > > > been said, the forgoing is what we politely call "bullshit".
> > >
> > > So you were there, Doug?  Everything I said here was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
> > > but the truth.  This story is not unusual here in the states.  Our public school system is
> > > in utter shambles, and we can all thank our "enlightened" liberals and socialist teachers
> > > unions.
> > >
> > > BTW, Doug, I don't like being called a liar, so GFY!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eo
> >
> > Would you mind telling us the name of the school, just for clarity?
> 
> James Lick Middle School - (415) 695-5675.  Give 'em a call if you want a good laugh.  Just
> hope the person you reach can speak English...

It looks that some people are dubious about the story.
Does it sound so unrealistic to ordinary people ?
Since my stay at U.S. was only two years and I did not have opportunity to visit any of
schools, I have no idea.   

But it looks some people believes that whales/dolphins are intelligent, the high-level 
communication with mankind can be achieved someday, and therefore they should not be killed.
It looks they think human language can be translated to their language, but when I think about
words used even in books for children, I wonder the idea that whales/dolphins have the same
concept as in human language, or there had been necessity to develop those concept during the 
process of their evolution.   
Even to translate a fairy tale, you have to suppose whales/dolphins can understand not only
concrete concepts such as what is "money", what is "king", what is "castle", what is "letter",
etc., and many other abstract concepts.
In my view, because of their superiority in size among marine animals, I think they could have 
survived without developing creative function of the brain.

Several years ago, I read a newspaper article that a drawn man was saved by a dolphin in 
Australia.   It reported that people in Australia believe dolphins are so intelligent and kind 
that they wish to help human being in trouble.   The bioloigical fact is that dolphins have habit
to push anything afloat in the sea, even a dead body or a log, and sometimes the direction to 
push them is toward the land.   There are many people who believes what they want to believe  
rather than what were proved by scientists.   Also even some scientists, who are well known in 
other area rather than biology, believe such fantasy (Carl Sagan, for example).

Some of people who believe this idea are so fanatic that I'm not surprised some of them
happened to be teachers and behave as the story in James Lick Middle School.
But I have no idea about how common such story happens in U.S.

I remember a story of Dolphin-killing (in Iki Island, Japan, many Dolphins were killed by
fishermen because so many fish they catch were eaten by dolphins).
At that incident, an American guy (he was a school teacher, I think) came to the island.
He asked the fishermen not to kill dolphins, and assured since dolphins were intelligent and 
could understand human language  he would persuade them not to eat those fish which were 
valuable for fishermen's life.   Of course, he failed.
If my memory is collect, it was for this incident that Olivia Newtonjon cancelled the concert
in Japan saying that she did not want to go to the barbarians' country.

Another story, which was not so serious, was at my company's English conversation class about
10 years ago.   A teacher who came from west coast queationed Japanese attendants about the 
opinion on whaling.   Since they did not deny whaling, the teacher got angry and the atmosphere 
of the class became awkward.   He also seemed to believe amplified fiction about cetaceans' 
intelligence.

Masaaki Ishida   <ishida@fuchinobe.skk.slb.com>
                 <http://www.a-web.co.jp/~golgo13/whale.html>


From speed@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu Fri Sep 27 15:26:28 EDT 1996
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>From  article <51mrqa$eai@ashe.cs.unc.edu>, by hirota@cs.unc.edu (Gentaro Hirota):
> Hello,
> 
> Does clown loaches really eat them?
> 

Yes, they sure do.  I had two clown loaches in my tank for 2 years.
One time for a few months I was trying to have live plants but they kept
dieing so I gave it up.  I never saw any snails so I never thought I had
them.  About 2 years later I was moving so I had to sell all my fish
to move the tank.  The clown loaches were the first two go and about 
a week after they were gone, I started to see tons of little tiny snails
all over the place.  I didnt have any plants at the time so they coulndt
of came from there, they just must of been so small all those years that
I never saw any, and when they would get big enough, the loaches would
eat them and keep there numbers way down.  Clown Loaches are probally a good
thing to have anytime you have plants.  some fish stores I notice will
even sell plants by themselves with just clown loaches to keep the snails
off of them. 

- Scott

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From revjoe@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:29 EDT 1996
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Masaaki Ishida wrote:

I elect Masaaki as "Best Newbie Poster" to alt.kill.the.whales for 
September!  Whatdaya say folks?

--
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From nwickham@indirect.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:30 EDT 1996
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From: nwickham@indirect.com (Neal C. Wickham)
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Subject: Conservation Failing in the Case of Idaho's Wild Salmon
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Idaho’s salmon runs are going.  I’ve been following this for years
believing something would be done to protect the salmon.

From:    State of Idaho Recommendations
               For a Balanced Resource Approach
               http://www.state.id.us/pr/1996/pr0220-1.htm

February 20, 1996

"Snake River wild runs have declined dramatically since the late
1960s, resulting in less than 1,000 spring/summer chinook and less
than 8,000 steelhead returning to Idaho and eastern Oregon this past
year. The runs are distributed into dozens of different populations,
so very few spawners were available for each population.

Marsh Creek, one of the most important spawning areas in the Middle
Fork Salmon River, had no chinook spawners last year, -- likely the
first time in over 10,000 years."

Wow!  Is that sick or what?.

My family camped on Beaver Creek this summer which flows into Marsh
Creek just two miles below where we camped.  I wondered if there were
*any* spawners in Beaver Creek or March Creek.  My dad tells stories
of camping out in the "salmon" country of Idaho in the 50’s and early
60’s and finding pools in the streams with "hundreds" of salmon in.
I've never seen a wild salmon in Idaho.

Neal


And for you reading malady,  the following came from:

http://www.desktop.org/iruf/migration96press#anchor7737385

...but who cares, right?



     Salmon and Steelhead Migration 1996

     A Study in Mismanagement by the Army Corps of Engineers

The 1996 seaward migration of salmon and steelhead from Idaho
officially began on April 10th. At this time the Army Corps of
Engineers should have been prepared to manage its dams in a fish
friendly manner until the end of the migration, June 20th. This year's
good water and the political unity behind an in-river migration with
beneficial river conditions should have been sufficient to provide for
an excellent migration season. But the Corps of Engineers proved
unwilling or unable to manage its dams for the betterment of Idaho's
salmon and steelhead.

The following is a partial list of the Corps' 1996 migration blunders:

Surface Collector Installation: The Corps' failure to install this
experimental research device before the fish migration began resulted
in detrimental in-river conditions. During installation, the Corps
took several turbines and spillways out of service. This resulted in
extremely high levels of uncontrolled spill causing very high levels
of dissolved gas in the water -- which led to gas bubble trauma in up
to 32% of monitored fish. This situation continued several weeks into
the migration season.

Surface Collector Operations: The Corps continued to manipulate flow
and spill to the detriment of migrating fish, once this device was
installed. The National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS), and state and
tribal fish agencies have established that certain patterns of spill
are most beneficial to fish. They have called for spill from 6 pm to 6
am. In the name of surface collector research, the Corps chose to
spill from midnight to noon instead. This went on for several weeks
andcreated an in-river environment that was detrimental to up-stream
migrating adults. 

Turbine Outages: Failure to operate turbines during periods of high
flow can result in increased levels of uncontrolled spill and
resultant high levels of dissolved gas in the water. The Corps failed
to properly maintain and replace its turbines. As a result, numerous
turbine outages have plagued this migration season. For the second
migration season in a row, the Corps has failed to repair a turbine at
Ice Harbor dam -- resulting in very high levels of dissolved gas at
this project. The gas levels at Ice Harbor have been exacerbated by
the Corps' failure to install gas abatement equipment. (See below)

Turbine Efficiency: Contrary to the recommendations of the NMFS, the
states and tribes, the Corps chose to operate turbine units outside of
the 1% peak efficiency. Doing so makes turbine passage more deadly for
young salmon and steelhead.

Flood Control: The Corps has been inflexible in its implementation of
flood control management, refusing to either alleviate adverse
conditions or to provide better migration conditions. For example, the
Corps drafted Brownlee and Dworshak Reservoirs in early April, prior
to the juvenile migration. If the Corps had maintained these
reservoirs at a level above the flood control level, this water could
have been used to augment the flows in the following periods when
flows dropped below optimum levels.

Failure to Reach Flow Targets on a Daily Basis: Between April 10 and
May 13, flows on the Snake River fell below 100,000 cubic feet per
second (100 Kcfs) for 14 days. During the peak of the juvenile
migration, flows were below 100 Kcfs for 11 consecutive days. As a
result, out migrating fish did not get the
benefits of increased river velocity, -- as called for in the NMFS
Biological Opinion. Meeting velocity and flow targets are also an
important component of Governor Batt's 1996 salmon policy, which you
have publicly supported in the past. The Corps could have taken
measures to augment the river's flow to 100 Kcfs, but chose not to.

Monitoring Equipment: The Corps failed to successful prepare for
monitoring dissolved gas levels during the migration. Even though the
official beginning migration date of April 10th has been set for over
one year, the Corps failed to provide reliable monitoring information
for the first several weeks of the migration. Absolutely no
information was available on Snake River gas levels until after over
400,000 fish moved passed Lower Granite Dam. During this same period,
Corps' delays with the surface collector caused uncontrolled spill
levels of over 100 Kcfs. As a result of the Corps' failure to have
monitoring  equipment operating, salmon managers did not have the
appropriate information to make management decisions during this
period. Periodic equipment failures have continued to plague the
system since then.

Lack of Market for Electricity: This year one of the major energy
imperatives was the need to avoid generating energy. The Bonneville
Power Administration and the Corps of Engineers were slow to develop a
fish-based plan for shedding excess energy. Additionally, the Corps
failed to optimize generation and spill patterns between projects in
the federal hydropower system for the benefit of migrating salmon and
steelhead. As a result, certain river stretches critical to listed
stocks of fish had inappropriately high levels of spill and gas --
needlessly endangering Idaho's migrating salmon and steelhead. The
Corps did not have a formal plan to deal with this situation until a
month into the migration season -- even though fish advocates brought
this issue to their attention well before the migration season began.

Failure to Install Gas Abatement Devices: The Corps of Engineers has
failed to install "flip lips" at Ice Harbor dam. These devices would
greatly reduce the amount of total dissolved gas in the water below
the dam. The Biological Opinion, the Northwest Power Council's
"Strategy for Salmon," and Congress have all directed that these flip
lips be installed by now. 

Failure to Pursue Studies of Drawdowns: The NMFS Biological Opinion
requires the Corps to proceed with studies related to drawing down the
four lower Snake River dams. The Corps has not done so.

Dewatering Screens at McNary Dam: As a result of malfunctions at the
McNary dewatering facility, the Corps did not begin sampling fish
until mid-April. This is a two week delay.

Malfunctions of Turbine Screens: The Corps' new full length screens
have malfunctioned at a number of projects. These screens were
designed to shunt fish away from the turbines. However, chronic
malfunctions have resulted in the removal of these screens. The repair
process requires that turbines be taken off line -- this has
exacerbated the dissolved gas situation at several projects. It is
unclear if these problems are due to poor design or poor
implementation. What is clear is that these new screens should be
removed and the old screens should be put back in to place. This would
eliminate the need for turbine outages while the new screens are
repaired. The Corps has failed to do this.




From Anders.Jelmert@imr.no Fri Sep 27 15:26:31 EDT 1996
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From: Anders Jelmert <Anders.Jelmert@imr.no>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Brine shrimp
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:15:25 -0700
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Brian Walker wrote:
> 
> I am not sure if this is the correct group to post to but I am trying to
> find resources on brine shrimp (Artemia) development.  If there is a
> better place to ask, please e-mail me.  Your assistance is greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Brian Walker

	Hi Brian.
	I would highly reccoment the Artemia Reference Centre at 
	the Univerity of Ghent, Belgium. They have a web -page as well: 
				
	http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~jdcaluwe/

	Regards and good luck!
	Anders Jelmert
	IMR, Austevoll Aquaculture Research Station.


From adam@imaginet.fr Fri Sep 27 15:26:31 EDT 1996
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From: adam@imaginet.fr (Adam Hamzah)
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Subject: HELP:World aqua/maricultured fish producers/sellers information
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I would be grateful if anyone can point in the direction to further
information concerning data of 'significant' producers(companies) of
aqua/mariculture fish producers/sellers around the world.

I am do a paper on the 'Fish Farming Industry - Worldwide' but have little
data concerning major producers of fish via fish farming(i.e. aqua and
mariculture)

Although I realize the industry as a whole is in its relative infancy and
very fragmented I am looking for a registrar of companies around the world
that are currently involved in fish farming preferably with catch details,
financial highlights, location.

I know I might be asking a lot but I would really appreciate any help
around this subject.

Thanking-you in advance.
Adam Hamzah


From heidi@televar.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:32 EDT 1996
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From: Scott Abernethy <heidi@televar.com>
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Until you asked, I would have thought you were referring to "blueback 
salmon, another name for landlocked sockeye salmon or kakanee.  Then I 
found an article http://www.idahonews.com/huntfish/sunapee.htm) that says 
that the blueback trout found in Maine is a remnant artic char strain.

" Recent evidence by fisheries biologists indicate that several
isolated populations of relict chars existing in the northeast
are closely related. Anatomic and chemical comparisons show no
consistent differences. Thus, the Blueback trout of Maine and
the Marstons or Red Trout of Quebec are classified with the
Sunapee as a subspecies of the Arctic char (Salvilinus alpinus)."

Hope this answers your question.  

Scott




From clangell@eskimo.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:33 EDT 1996
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biobarge@shore.net (Will Warren) wrote:

>In article <51igr2$2di@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, yap2@aol.com (Yap2) wrote:

>> I have posted this message on other related newsgroups but I have not
>> received an answer yet. Maybe somebody in this newsgroup can help me.
>> What is the best reference book on shrimp farming? Please help.

>Please post any responses, as I'm interested as well.

>Thanks,
>Will

If you're interested in P. monodon, two very practical almost "cook
book" manuals are  "Prawn Farming by K.J. Chen and S. L. Ramos and
"Prawn cultue - scientfic and practical approach" by Chen Kong Jung
and William G. Co.  Both are available from Argent Laboratories.
There are also some good references available from the Weddell
Mariculture Center in South Carolina dealing with intensive culture of
P. vannemai.  You can request a publications list via E mail.

Regards,

Charles Angell




From braustin@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:34 EDT 1996
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From: braustin@ix.netcom.com (Jennifer Major)
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I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set
up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to
Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It
came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would
get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the
fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.

Jennifer


From padre1@caller.infi.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:35 EDT 1996
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From: rod <padre1@caller.infi.net>
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Subject: 1150 acre Ranch on Copano Bay (Texas Gulf Coast) for Shrimp Farm
Date: 22 Sep 1996 12:44:52 GMT
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Located near Rockport,Texas. Perfect for shrimp farm,ranching or a 
retreat. Questions? E-mail me.



From afn32062@afn.org Fri Sep 27 15:26:36 EDT 1996
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braustin@ix.netcom.com (Jennifer Major) wrote:
>
> I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set
> up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to
> Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It
> came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would
> get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the
> fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.
> 
> Jennifer


Native to where?  Fresh water or marine?  Maybe you could try your
local county extension office.  Is there a local pond or aquarist's
club in your area?

Good luck.


From Darin=clapp%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:37 EDT 1996
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braustin@ix.netcom.com (Jennifer Major) wrote:

>I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set
>up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to
>Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It
>came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would
>get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the
>fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.

>Jennifer

Jennifer,
	You must remember that the internet and these newsgroups are worldwide
(ie If you are from Brazil, Discus angelfish and Neon tetras are
Native fish) I assume you are in North america.   I have not seen much
on the net about native fish of north america.  My suggestion would be
to go to a bookstore and look at a fishing magazine to get info about
the native habitats of the fish you are thinking about keeping then
try to replicate the habitats.

Have Fun
Darin



From chateaustripmin@mcn.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:38 EDT 1996
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braustin@ix.netcom.com (Jennifer Major) wrote:
> 
> >I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set
> >up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to
> >Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It
> >came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would
> >get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the
> >fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.

I don't know of a new group but their is a List Serv called NANF.  There isn't a lot 
of traffic, but the next time something comes through I will try to get you together 
with them.

-- Carl
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From mmollie@earthlink.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:39 EDT 1996
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Assuming you're talking about North American fish, which fish are you 
considering keeping.Jennifer Major wrote:
> 
> I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set
> up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to
> Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It
> came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would
> get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the
> fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.
> 
> Jennifer 
 Which fish were you considering? There are hundreds of North American 
native fish, and many can be kept in the home aquarium. Darters, 
minnows, sunfish, bass, crappie, perches, the list goes on.



						Bootzy


From steve_atran@usa.pipeline.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:39 EDT 1996
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From: steve_atran@usa.pipeline.com(Steven Atran)
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Subject: Greater amberjack, lesser amberjack & banded rudderfish
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The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council recently proposed a new rule
combining greater amberjack, lesser amberjack and banded rudderfish under
an aggregate 1 amberjack bag limit and 28 inch fork length minimum size
limit.  This essentially eliminates a fishery on lesser amberjack and
banded rudderfish since these two species rarely, if ever, reach 28 inches.
 However, they are far less common than greater amberjack and are difficult
to tell apart from juvenile greater amberjack.  Because of concern that
greater amberjack stocks may be becoming depleted, the Gulf Council felt
that protecting juvenile greater amberjack outweighed the loss of the minor
amberjack species to the fishery.  However, this proposed rule has met with
so much resistance from the Florida charterboat industry that the normally
conservative Florida Marine Fisheries Commission has asked the Gulf Council
to withdraw its rule.  They are considering a state rule that would allow
separate (and less conservative) bag limits for each species.  Unless there
is some fairly easy way to differentiate lesser amberjack and banded
rudderfish from juvenile greater amberjack, the Florida proposed rule will
undermine the Gulf Council's attempt to protect juvenile greater amberjack.
 Color is unreliable because the fishes color can change after death. 
Minute details such as counting gill rakers also not useful for enforcement
because many judges refuse to accept that as a readily identifiable
characteristic to an average fisherman and throw cases based on such detail
out of court.  Is there any other way for an average fisherman, enforcement
officer and judge to tell these species apart? 
 
Steven Atran 
Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council 



From jwa1960@ia.frontiercomm.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:40 EDT 1996
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Most mid west natives, at least the common ones suck as pike, pumpkin
seeds and bass will quickly out grow a 75 gallon tank, especially bass
and pike as they are extremely territorial. Some of the lesser minnows
could be kept, but with all of them, water conditions, especially
temps are a problem. Most species in my region are cold water and the
use of a chiller would be neccessary to keep in them in optimal
conditions.



From brett3@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:41 EDT 1996
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In <32453969.3872474@nntp.ix.netcom.com> braustin@ix.netcom.com
(Jennifer Major) writes: 
>
>I am looking for some information on Native Fish.  I am trying to set
>up a 75 gallon tank this winter.  Is there a newsgroup dedicated to
>Native Fish?  I have written away for a catolog on Native Fish.  It
>came in the mail this week.  The catolog stated how big the fish would
>get, and how much to buy them.  I need to know compatibility of the
>fish.  I would appreciate any information.  Thanks.
>
>Jennifer


Jennifer,

I wrote an article on keeping native fish in aquaria for Honey Hole
Magazine (a Texas bass fishing publication) about a year or so ago.  I
have kept both fresh and marine species native to North America in
aquaria.  I'm assuming your talking American Natives here.  Of course
the peacock bass behind me here in my computer room are natives in
South America.  Anyway, you should check on the legality of keeping
native fish captive with your state's DNR or equivalent regulatory
authority.  Also the legality of collecting your own fish from  lakes,
streams, ditches, etc. Half the fun of keeping the fish is collecting
them.  I use a cast net, a minnow seine, dip net, and fish traps to
collect with.  You also need an aerated bait box or bucket for
transport.  Also you might be able to buy fingerlings from a private
hatchery.  You will need to learn the life history and needs such as
water quality and type of foods for your charges, all very fun and
interesting.  Here is a list of species I have found to do well in
aquaria;

Freshwater;
Largemouth bass, bluegill sunfish, longear sunfish, green sunfish,
longnose gar, alligator gar, spotted gar, hybrid striped bass, channel
catfish, blue catfish, bullhead catfish, madtom catfish, bowfin, golden
shiner, fathead minnow, common carp, red shiner, redear slider turtle,
common snapper, alligator snapper, softshell turtle, siren (Amphiuma),
ghost shrimp, red swamp crawfish, white crawfish, who knows what else.

difficult but possible freshwater species;
white and black crappie, redear sunfish, gizzard shad, pirate perch,
log perch, 

Saltwater species;
Red drum, pinfish, seargent major, barber pole shrimp, other shrinmps,
crabs, sea cucumbers, nudibranchs, mullet, ???

Hope this is useful, e-mail to me if you would like more info,

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://waterscapes.com


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Paul Rinear wrote:
> 
> Hey,
>       since you GFY'ed someone and are stupid enough to think liberals are
> to blame for your own smallheadedness, here's to you, asshole!

BUZZOFF, liberal trash!

--
Eo


From gwayner@peop.tdsnet.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:43 EDT 1996
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Fowler, H.  A study of the fishes of the southern piedmont & coastal plain.
wrs. I have several copies for sale @ $ 60.
Wood, C.  An intro to the literature of vertebrate zoology. Martino reprint
of a classic. $ 100.
I have these and many other titles.  If you would like a copy of my catalog
#77 drop me an email at gwayner@peop.tdsnet.com.  I need to know if you
want your catalog in ascii or winword format.  I have all areas of natural
history both new & antiquarian.  Waiting to hear from you.



From jayexner@fast.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:44 EDT 1996
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braustin@ix.netcom.com (Jennifer Major) wrote:
>I am looking for some information on Native Fish.
<snip>

NANFA is North American Native Fishes Association.
Keep your eyes on some of these newsgroups you
posted on, as the organization posts a FAQ or two
every month.

What I got on them out of most recent FAMA:

dues: US, Can & Mex - $15(US)/year.
elsewhere: $17(US).
For further info, contact:
Bruce Gebhardt
123 W Mount Airy Ave,
Philadelphia, PA 19119


-------------------------------------
 Jay Exner  -  Allentown - PA - USA
 jayexner@fast.net
 http://www.users.fast.net/~jayexner
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In article <51n54b$b0e@uwm.edu>, speed@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu wrote:

> From article <51mrqa$eai@ashe.cs.unc.edu>, by hirota@cs.unc.edu (Gentaro
Hirota):
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Does clown loaches really eat them?
> > 
Yes they do, undoubtedly. They are nice to look at as well. I had snails
multiplying till I bought Three clowns and the problem has evaporated.
They are a bit costly, but worth their price, to my opinion. They
sometimes eat the inside and leave the shell, which you can see the next
day floating at the surface.
Good luck. S.M.

-- 
SYLVIA.MURR@INFOBIOGEN.FR
CNRS, PARIS


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The Symposium on Spatial Information and the Environment is approximately
one week away. The following message contains information on the
presentations that we are currently expecting. 

Whether you are a Geomatics (or Survey) Engineer, Geographer, Biologist,
Ecosystem Manager, GIS Technician or another professional working with
Spatial Information and the Environment this Symposium has something for
you. Registration information follows at the end of this message.

 

SYMPOSIUM 
on 
Spatial Information and the Environment

Preliminary Programme as of 19 September, 1996


Sept. 26  19:00  Icebreaker Reception
                 (Sponsored by Calgary Branch of 
                 Canadian Institute of Geomatics)


Sept. 27  08:30  Opening of Symposium, Welcome form the Superintendents   
of  Waterton Lakes and Glacier National Parks 

Overview of Crown of the Continent Ecosystem Data Atlas Projects



Data and Metadata Standards
Session Chair: G. Plunkett 
Friday , 27 September, 9:30 -- 11:30

Spatial Data and Spatial Metadata Standards in Widespread Use in Canada, G.
W. Plunkett and M. M. Allam, Earth Sciences Sector, Natural Resources
Canada, Ottawa, ON, Canada

Spatial Data Exchange Formats and Standards: Comparative Study, Sorokin,
A.D., Research center "Geography of Hazards and Catastrophes", Institute of
Geography, Russian Academy of Sciences,
Staromonetny per. 29, Moscow 109017 Russia

Open Geographic Datastore Interface (OGDI), C. Larouche and G. Clement,
Logiciels et Applications Scientifiques (L.A.S.) Inc., Montreal, PQ, Canada



Regional Georeferencing Challenges
Session Chair: W.A. Martin
Friday , 27 September, 12:30 -- 2:30

Georeferencing Challenges in the Crown of the Continent, J.A.R. Blais,
Department of Geomatics Engineering, University of Calgary, Calgary, AB,
Canada

The Calgary and Edmonton NAD83 Experience, W. Newby, Consultant, Calgary
AB, Canada

Geo-corrections to Spatial Data and the Integration of CAD Data, W.A.
Martin, City of Calgary, Calgary AB, Canada



Spatial Rendering and Visualization
Session Chair: J.D. Hughes
Friday , 27 September, 2:30 -- 4:30

Optimising Resource Analysis of Stratified Sequences with 3D Modeling, GIS,
Remote Sensing and 3D Visualization, J.D. Hughes, Geological Survey of
Canada, Calgary, AB, Canada

Digital Geology Photogrammetry to Map the Foothills and Front Ranges,
Southeastern Cordillera NATMAP Project, D. Lebel and R. Da Roza, Geological
Survey of Canada, Calgary, AB, Canada

Historical Terrain Reconstruction for the Creosote Sites on the Bow Rover
in Calgary, J.A.R. Blais, Department of Geomatics Engineering, University
of Calgary, Calgary, AB, Canada, K. He, Consultant, Calgary AB, Canada, C.
Larouche, Logiciels et Applications Scientifiques Inc., Montreal, PQ,
Canada,
and C. Zheng, Imperial Oil, Calgary AB, Canada



Geoscience and Advanced Information Systems
Session Chair: H.A. Karimi
Saturday , 28 September, 8:30 -- 10:30

Open GISs for Solving Cross-Media Spatial Analysis and Modeling Problems,
H.A. Karimi, MCNC-North Carolina Supercomputing Center, Research Triangle
Park NC, USA

The challenges of constructing and managing the Southeastern Cordillera
NATMAP Geoscience Information System, D. Lebel, Geological Survey of
Canada, Calgary, AB, Canada

Mobile GIS Data Acquistion using an Integrated, Multi-Sensor System, B.
Chaplin, C. Tao, M. Chapman,
Department of Geomatics Engineering, The University of Calgary, Calgary,
Alberta, Canada, and N. ElSheimy, Research and Development Department,
Geofit, Inc., Laval, Quebec, Canada

A Web-Based Tool for Data Organization and Dissemination, R. Ford, R.
Righter, M. Sweet and P. Votava,
Department of Computer Science, University of Montana, Missoula MT USA



Ecological System Monitoring and Modeling
Session Chair: E.A. Johnson 
Saturday , 28 September, 10:30 -- 12:30

Regional Modeling of Water and Carbon Balances for Glacier National Park:
Prediction Variability Induced from Satellite and DEM Data Uncertainties,
J.D. White and S.W. Running, Numerical Terradynamics Simulation Group,
School of Forestry, University of Montana, MT, USA

Using Hillslop Geomorphology and Remote Sensing to Examine Landscape
Patterns of Vegetation Distribution., S.R.J. Bridge and E.A. Johnson,
Department of Biological Sciences and  Kananaskis Field Stations, Calgary,
AB, Canada

The Fire Frequency and Age Mosaic of a Mixedwwod Boreal Forest, J.M.H. Weir
and E.A. Johnson, Department of Biological Sciences and  Kananaskis Field
Stations, Calgary, AB, Canada

Potential for Integrated GIS-EPIC Model for Precision Farming, L.
Kryzanowski, T. Goddard, K. Cannon,
Alberta Agriculture, Food and Rural Development, Edmonton, AB, Canada, and
C. Izaurralde and T. Martin, Department of Renewable Resources, University
of Alberta, Edmonton, AB, Canada



Environmental Statistics and Applications
Session Chair: L.Z. Florence
Saturday , 28 September, 1:30 -- 3:30

Environmental Statistics:  an evolving discipline, L.Z. Florence,
Statistical Support Services, Alberta Environmental Centre, Alberta
Research Council, Vegreville, AB, Canada

Computer intensive bootstrap and jackknife procedures for statistical
analysis when sample sizes are small, with application to monitoring
mercury levels in fish, Michelle Hiltz, Alberta Environmental Centre,
Vegreville, Alberta, Canada

Time Series Methods for Environmental Data, H. V. Nguyen, Alberta
Environmental Centre, Alberta Research Council, Vegreville, AB, Canada

Spatial Patterns Generated by Certain Iterated Systems, B.  Voorhees,
Center for Natural and Human  Science, Athabasca University, Athabasca, AB,
Canada

Modelling Boundary Uncertainty in Geospatial Information Systems, A.A.
Alisheikh and J.A.R. Blais,
Department of Geomatics Engineering, University of Calgary, Calgary, AB,
Canada


Saturday , 28 September, 4:00  Concluding Session



Posters

Adapting GIS Technology for Natural Resources Managers, C. Larouche, G.
Clement, Logiciels et Applications Scientifiques Inc., Montreal, PQ,
Canada; and F. Potvin, Ministere de l'Environnement et de la Faune, Quebec,
PQ, Canada



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The organizers intend to publish the Proceedings of this Symposium in 
early 1997 with the sponsorship of the Canadian Institute of Geomatics. 
The full papers can be distributed in preprint format at the Symposium  
but the final versions will only be due at the end of October 1996 for 
the refereeing process prior to their publication. Specific format and 
other details will be posted later on.



From tsicrad@ksts.seed.net.tw Fri Sep 27 15:26:47 EDT 1996
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Subject: Food grade Spirulina powder for sale
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Excellent Spirulina powder(food grade) for sale. Please mail your name, 
address, phone and fax to me. My e mail:tsicrad@ksts.seed.net.tw
                                        tsicchen@ms2.hinet.net



From tsicrad@ksts.seed.net.tw Fri Sep 27 15:26:48 EDT 1996
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because of data lose, please mail me your data to me in order to contact
you further. Thanks.



From werched@widomaker.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:49 EDT 1996
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From: werched@widomaker.com (The Emperor)
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Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

Does anyone out there have information on a fish called Menhaden? I have 
to write a Marine Bio report on it this weekend and am having trouble 
finding info on it.

Thanks,
Ched



From biobarge@shore.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:50 EDT 1996
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From: biobarge@shore.net (Will Warren)
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In article <R.52150m$6c@news2.widomaker.com>, werched@widomaker.com (The
Emperor) wrote:

> Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.
> 
> Does anyone out there have information on a fish called Menhaden? I have 
> to write a Marine Bio report on it this weekend and am having trouble 
> finding info on it.
> 

I think Menhaden are known popularly as 'Pogies'.  You would want to
verify this- it's been a while...

Will


From biusing@ppps.po.my Fri Sep 27 15:26:51 EDT 1996
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From: biusing@ppps.po.my (Rooney Biusing)
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Subject: Regional Workshop on Sustainable Aquaculture and Biodiversity Conservation of Coral Reefs
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Workshop Title : Regional Workshop on Sustainable Aquaculture and Biodiversity Conservation of Coral Reefs

Organisers : DOF (Department of Fisheries Sabah), IDS (Institute of Development Studies Sabah), NACA (Network of Aquaculture Centers in Asia-Pacific), UMS (Universiti Malaysia Sabah)

Location :-  The East Asian Seas area is a global centre of marine biodiversity and within this area the coastal waters around the State of Sabah in Malaysia have a particularly rich and diverse marine community.  The workshop will be held in Kota Kinabalu, the capital of the State of Sabah, Malaysia.

Workshop Date :- 4-8th December 1996 (tentative date, subject to change)

Venue :- to be decided later (tentatively at Sabandar Resort, Tuaran, Sabah)

The workshop will cover two main topics :-
i) 	status of the breeding and grow-out technology of groupers, wrasses and other coral-reef associated fish species; and 
ii) 	resource management issues, including environmental impacts of the collection of wild grouper/coral-reef associated fish fries/juveniles, and management of adverse interactions on the environment, etc.
  
Background

NACA is cooperating with DOF, IDS and UMS in organising a regional workshop on the aquaculture of groupers and coral reef-associated marine fish.  The workshop is organised in response to the increasing regional interest in the aquaculture of high value tropical marine fishes (e.g. groupers and wrasses), and increasing concern over the environmental impacts of the marine live fish trade. The workshop is intended to:

i. 	review the present status of culture of groupers and coral reef associated fishes, particularly the captive breeding of major reef fishes;

ii. 	review the social, economic and ecological impacts, including those on biodiversity, related to the live reef fish fishery and aquaculture;

iii. 	identify specific needs for promoting aquaculture and sustainable management of reef fish resources, such as research, information, policy development and training for the responsible development of the industry; and

iv. 	identify common problems related to reef fish aquaculture in the Asian region, and to explore ways for regional cooperation to overcome such common problems.

Participants :-  Workshop participants will include Malaysian and regional experts involved in grouper or reef fish breeding and aquaculture, and coral reef fishery management.  

Topics to be covered include: 

status of breeding of groupers and other candidate coral-reef associated fish species;
reef fish aquaculture management practices (feeding, stocking, harvests);
social/economic/environmental impacts of reef fish aquaculture;
impacts associated with capture of wild seed and the live fish trade;
marketing aspects; and
management of grouper and reef fish resources and integration into coastal area management planning.

Workshop outputs :  
The workshop proceedings will be published under a joint publication of DOF, NACA, IDS and UMS. It is expected that the publication would provide guidance to aquaculturists, scientists, policy makers and coastal resource managers involved in reef fish aquaculture and coral reef and coastal resources management.

ENQUIRIES :
Please contact :

Rooney Biusing (organising chairman)
Fisheries Research Center, 89400 Likas,
Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia.
e-mail : biusing@ppps.po.my
<Rooney Biusing>
Kota Kinabalu, Sabah,Malaysia.
e-mail : biusing@ppps.po.my



From knowlwk@mail.auburn.edu Fri Sep 27 15:26:52 EDT 1996
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From: knowlwk@mail.auburn.edu (Kurt)
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Subject: Info on creek chubs, Semotilus atromaculatus (Mitchell)
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Howdy all,

I'm gathering as much info as I can on creek chubs (Semotilus
atromaculatus)  as was wondering if anyone out there had any leads
they could send my way.

Kurt
knowlwk@mail.auburn.edu



From sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Fri Sep 27 15:26:53 EDT 1996
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From: Sean Clancy <sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Baitboy wrote:

> Another oar fish washed up.  A 23' specimen washed up at the amphibious  
> base on Coronado Island, San Diego.  Anyone else heard about this?  I 
> only caught a snip of a news story and am intrigued.  That makes two in 
> the E Pacific in a month or so.  Are we killing benthic species with our 
> polution, too?
> -- 

	Could you tell me the scientific name of the oar fish please?  It 
would be interesting to find out if any relative species are also 
affected in that part of the ocean.

	Thanks

	s.


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From zoerhof@mycogen.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:55 EDT 1996
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From: Baitboy <zoerhof@mycogen.com>
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Subject: re: oar fish
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Oar fish are in the family Regalecidae, genus Regalecus, species glesne.

>From  Peterson Field Guide "Pacific Coast Fishes"
-- 
<<<<<<<<<<<Troy Zoerhof >>>>>>>>>>> Any opinion expressed by me is mine 
<<<<<<<<<< Mycogen Corp. >>>>>>>>>> and not that of my employer. 
<<<<<<< zoerhof@mycogen.com >>>>>>> 
"May I freshen your bait for you?"


From stevek@iphc.washington.edu Fri Sep 27 15:26:55 EDT 1996
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From: stevek@iphc.washington.edu (STEVE KAIMMER)
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Subject: "Chalky" or "milky" fish
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I could use some help on this topic.  Occasionally, fish delivered 
commercially by the longline fleet in the north Pacific are chalky or 
milky.  This is possibly related to the pH of the flesh, and may relate 
to holding time or conditions on the vessel, or possibly time held before 
the fish is gutted and laid on ice.  Any citations or personal 
observations would be appreciated.  At this time, I am just trying to 
describe the problem.  Steve Kaimmer
			International Pacific Halibut Commission
			206-634-1838
			stevek@iphc.washington.edu



From tam2731@usl.edu Fri Sep 27 15:26:56 EDT 1996
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From: "Terry McT." <tam2731@usl.edu>
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Subject: Jubilee in Louisiana?
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:31:26 +0000
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I vaguely recall reading something about an anoxia event that occurred 
recently along the coast of Louisiana.  Called a jubilee, an anoxic 
region near shore forces organisms such as blue crabs and flounders 
right up on to the beach.  The phemonemon was named a jubilee by the 
people who benefit from the event by being able to just pick up their 
dinner, rather than going to the trouble of catching it one way or 
another.

I think it happened a little less than a month ago.  Does anyone 
recall this being reported anywhere?  I've been looking for an article 
or mention about the jubilee in the Baton Rouge and Lafayette 
newspapers without luck.  I'd really appreciate it if someone could 
point me to a reference.

Thanks,
Terry


From physiology@colinst.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:57 EDT 1996
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From: physiology@colinst.com (PG)
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We developed a on-line Respirometer that utilizes a patented
principle of measuring O2 consumption in gaseous stage in the
head space of the bioreactor instead of immersed dissolved
O2 probes, utilized in most other designs. Although the advantages
of measuring head space gas exchanges are numerous, the most
important advantage is the separation of the O2 sensor from the
aggressive media of sludge or wastewater and therefore, avoiding
the sensor’s damage or contamination. Besides measuring O2
consumption, there is the possibility of measuring additional gases
evolved from the wastewater or sludge such as CO2 and H2S. The
principle of Respirometer is based on measuring the respiration of
bacteria culture in the form of the fixed film attached to ceramic
granules. This bacterial culture is alternatively exposed to clean
water to measure background respiration and to waste water to
measure the increase of O2 consumption due to available nutrients.
If you are interested in receiving more information about this instrument,
please e-mail your street address.

GHOSH



From amsafric@iafrica.com Fri Sep 27 15:26:58 EDT 1996
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From: amsafric@iafrica.com
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if anybody has information on the process used to convert fish offal to
fish emulsion, please contact me at
e-mail: amsafric@iafrica.com

thanks
paul moller



From jimluce@newnorth.net Fri Sep 27 15:26:59 EDT 1996
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From: Jim Luce <jimluce@newnorth.net>
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Subject: redear ? ASAP
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:55:47 -0500
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I'm working on an article for In-Fisherman Magazine, and I'd appreciate hearing from any 
fisheries people knowledgable about redear sunfish.  I know that the effects listed 
below do occur, but I'd like to know _why_ they occur.  If anyone can help, I'd 
appreciate hearing from you ASAP.  Thanks.
 
1) When shellcrackers (redear sunfish) are in shallow water, cleaning nests, feeding on 
snails, whatever, they often "bead" (the term Florida shellcracker anglers use to 
describe the dense circle of tiny bubbles that rise to the surface as a result of the 
fish's activity).  Does anyone know what causes this beading?  Is it some sort of stored 
oxygen given off by the fish during their activity, or gasses released from the bottom 
sediment?

2) Bullheads rooting around on the bottom also bead, though the circles of bubbles are 
sometime bigger.  One way experienced shellcracker anglers tell the difference between a 
bullhead's beading and that of a shellcracker is that shellcrackers working the bottom 
send circlets of oil to the surface. Why and how do shellcrackers give off these little 
oil spots that float to the surface?

3) Some experienced shellcracker anglers also locate spawning areas by the oily, "fishy" 
smell these fish give off when they're bedding heavily.  Is that oil rising to the 
surface during bedding activity also the source of the odor people use to find bedding 
areas?

I thank you all very much for any information you can provide on these
questions, or people you might point me to regarding these matters.

Jim Luce
>(715) 356-5878
>jimluce@newnorth.net


From stevet@physio-control.com Fri Sep 27 15:27:00 EDT 1996
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From: stevet@physio-control.com (Steve Thomas)
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Subject: Re: Blueback Trout
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In article 1809961817110001@206.119.197.108, pa19@tiac.net (paul antinori) writes:
>Does anyone know the scientific latin name for the "blueback" trout
>species.  That's what I have heard it called here in Maine, but I can't
>find a listing for it in my books.  
>
>-Paul


Perhaps it is a reference to the species commonly known as the Kokanee, 
or Silver Trout, at least in the Pacific Northwest?  It's a landlocked
version of the Sockeye (Red) Salmon, but as to the latin name, you'll 
have to get that from someone else....... :-\
---

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If you don't get this, let me know.
Steve Thomas (stevet@physio-control.com)
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From mgriskey@nas.edu Fri Sep 27 15:27:01 EDT 1996
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The National Academy Press has put more than 1000 Books On-line free for
the reading.  The National Academy Press is the publisher for the
National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, the
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reached through the main page:

http://www.nap.edu

This is a great science resource, so be sure to check it out.


From biminitakl@aol.com Fri Sep 27 15:27:02 EDT 1996
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I don't mean to sound like I'm soliciting business but I own a fishing
tackle company here in florida and the answer to your question is yes.  I
know of 3 different companies that make quality electric reels.  Two of
them attach directly to most penn reels and the most heavy duty model, the
lindgren pittman, is put together at their factory after yo supply the
reel.  Let me know what type of reel you want to convert to eletric and
I'll try and point you in the right direction.
Greg


From blyons@servtech.com Fri Sep 27 15:27:03 EDT 1996
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From: blyons@servtech.com (Bob Lyons)
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I'm not a biologist yet I'm keenly interested in the Lake Ontario
Fishery.  From all the data I've seen it seems the Lake is much less
productive then it use to be.  I've spoken to a biologist and he
claims the environmental laws passed in the 70's are both a blessing
and at this point somewhat of a curse. The lake is much less
productive and the compounding factor of Zebra mussel filtration is
really taking its toll on the baitfish population.  
    Does anyone have any thoughts on this.  From a strictly naive
viewpoint is there such a thing as phosphur loading?  Could it be done
on a great lake.

Thanks

Bob Lyons



From blyons@servtech.com Fri Sep 27 15:27:04 EDT 1996
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Can someone explain to me the relationship between eutrophication and
phosphorous levels.

Thanks

Bob Lyons



From kuuner@aol.com Fri Sep 27 15:27:05 EDT 1996
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Please help. I have a 60 gallon saltwater tank, and my anenome are covered
with some strange sort of white tube like crust, I looks like some sort of
surface skin cancer. They are alive, but not doing well. any information
would be greatly appreciated


From wienerpod@aol.com Fri Sep 27 15:27:06 EDT 1996
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I have kept a few creek chubs as pets, what particularly do you want to
know?


From zoerhof@mycogen.com Fri Sep 27 15:27:07 EDT 1996
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From: Baitboy <zoerhof@mycogen.com>
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Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

Another oar fish washed up.  A 23' specimen washed up at the amphibious  
base on Coronado Island, San Diego.  Anyone else heard about this?  I 
only caught a snip of a news story and am intrigued.  That makes two in 
the E Pacific in a month or so.  Are we killing benthic species with our 
polution, too?
-- 
<<<<<<<<<<<Troy Zoerhof >>>>>>>>>>> Any opinion expressed by me is mine 
<<<<<<<<<< Mycogen Corp. >>>>>>>>>> and not that of my employer. 
<<<<<<< zoerhof@mycogen.com >>>>>>> 
"May I freshen your bait for you?"


From rhayman@sos.net Mon Dec  9 12:14:40 EST 1996
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From: Bob McClure <rhayman@sos.net>
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The California program is based at U of California, Davis.  I'm sure you
can find them on the WWW, or something close.

Good luck.


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>Note also that the required writing and communication skill doesn't
>specify English!

In some parts of the USA, e.g. Florida or southern California, this
flexibility is probably essential.



From torh@nfh.uit.no Mon Dec  9 12:14:44 EST 1996
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In article <5783ic$ds5@laslo.netnet.net>, theusch@peoples.net (Lee H.
Theusch) wrote:

> Please help!  My daughter needs to know [for a school assignment] the name of 
> a fresh water fish that spawns in salt water.  Please reply to 
> theusch@peoples.net if you know.  Thanks
> 
> Lee Theusch  theusch@peoples.net

A common catadromic fish is eel (Anguillidae), and it spawns in sea water.


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I'm looking for information on the various ways food processors are
handling their process waste. Most interested in hearing about any
processors that are composting or using the residue as an ingredient in
animal feed.  Also, any pilot or research being done on other uses.

Drop me a line.

jim glenn
biocycle magazine
717-957-2979
email jglenn@aol.com


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Speaking of Sturgeon, what variety is it that turns up as juvenilles at
aquarium stores?
=B=


From aufsj@imap2.asu.edu Mon Dec  9 12:14:48 EST 1996
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: >QUALIFICATIONS: B.S.+ experience required; M.S. or Ph.D.+ experience 
: >preferred. This is a supervisory position which requires solid 
: >educational background and technical skills in hydroacoustics and 
: >electronics. Experience in riverine hydroacoustics and fisheries are 
: >desirable. Good writing, communication and administrative skills are 
: >necessary. On the job training will be available.
: >
: >SALARY: Starting at $49,116 plus benefits.
: >

: Wow, does that first paragraph really look out of place with the
: second paragraph. I have high school graduates making that.

	Yeah, but you're probably working for the vastly overpaid 
military/industrial complex :-).

	Actually, I think they are looking for Bio majors, not electrical 
engineers, which makes the salary much more in line. Hell, our prime 
contractors used to hire almost nothing but "soft sciences" like 
geography and biology majors, not a comp-sci or engineer in many of the 
shops. As one manager used to cheerfully put it:  Three-quarters of the 
math at one-half the paycheck!

	Besides, look at the major benefit: Life in Alaska. Hell, there 
are bound to be a few burned out SoCal or Corridor types who would gladly 
take a paycut for a chance to live in moose country. Collins electronics 
in Iowa used to score major recruitments from these regions with the lure 
of rural Iowa life (it takes all kinds).  Likewise, our contractors payed 
positively scandalously low wages to people going to Australia, but the 
lines were a mile long anyway. Just something about the reputation.

regards,

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steven J Forsberg  at  aufsj@imap2.asu.edu              Wizard 87-01





From theusch@peoples.net Mon Dec  9 12:14:49 EST 1996
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From: theusch@peoples.net (Lee H. Theusch)
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Subject: Re: Freshwater fish that spawns in saltwater?
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Thanks to all for responding to me about the question posed below.  I now know 
that "catadromous" eels from all over the world exhibit the behaviour that I 
was looking for.

BTW, responses were received from au, ca, uk, ie, za, and us.  My daughter and 
I were really impressed with the "power of the net"!

Thanks again,  Lee


In article <5783ic$ds5@laslo.netnet.net>,
   theusch@peoples.net (Lee H. Theusch) wrote:
>Please help!  My daughter needs to know [for a school assignment] the name of 
>a fresh water fish that spawns in salt water.  Please reply to 
>theusch@peoples.net if you know.  Thanks
>
>Lee Theusch  theusch@peoples.net


From xaf58@dial.pipex.com Mon Dec  9 12:14:50 EST 1996
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From: Mark Amechi <xaf58@dial.pipex.com>
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Does anyone know if there are any shrimp operations in Ghana?  If so, 
please inform me.

Thanks.




From g-soucie@usa.net Mon Dec  9 12:14:51 EST 1996
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From: Gary Soucie <garys@us.net>
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I know this thread has run its course, and the school assignment was
successfully negotiated. Whenever the word "catadromous" comes up,
everyone answers "eels." Are any other fishes catadromous, or do the
anguillidae have a lock on it?
-- 
Gary Soucie / Writer / Editor / Editorial Consultant
Traveling With Fly Rod and Reel * Home Waters: A Fly-Fishing 
Anthology * Soucie's Field Guide of Fishing Facts *  Hook, Line, 
and Sinker: The Complete Angler's Guide to Terminal Tackle


From Carrie_Walter@mail.fws.gov Mon Dec  9 12:14:52 EST 1996
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From: Carrie Walter <Carrie_Walter@mail.fws.gov>
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Hi Folks,

I am pleased to announce that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has 
launched another new World Wide Web server.  This effort supports our 
goal of sharing our data and information.

The World Wide Web server, and its url (address), are:

The Office of Human Resources, Washington Office

http://www.fws.gov/~r9ohr/

You can access this site directly at the url listed above, or
you can access it through the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Home Page at

http://www.fws.gov/

Thanks.  ...al

============================================================ Dr. Alan R. 
Fisher
Acting Chief - Branch of Standards, Policy, and Planning Division of 
Information Resources Management
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
303-275-2320
Internet mail: Alan_Fisher@mail.fws.gov FWS-Mail:      Fisher, Alan
============================================================


From sochung@usthk.ust.hk Mon Dec  9 12:14:53 EST 1996
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From: Chung Sai Ho <sochung@usthk.ust.hk>
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Can anyone tell me where I can get some capture-recapture datasets?
I am interested at the relationship between growth and age and want to study 
various kind of growth curve model. I prefer the capture-recapture data for 
fish or any kind of aquatic animal such as musk turtles. It is better to 
include the capture history (capture and recapture time) , weight and/or 
lenght of the individual, age (estimated) in the dataset. More details are 
preferred.

Thank you very much!!


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Hi! I'm a spanish saltwater flyfisher. This is a question for my mates 
all around the net: which is your favorite tackle for flats fishing?

Thank you...


From liquidsky@southwest.com.au Mon Dec  9 12:14:55 EST 1996
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I am just getting into my masters on sea turtles, I am concentrating on
the mathematics side of things, but would like to learn a bit more about
the turtles.  Is any one working in this field, can point me to some
literature or web resources on green turtles. 

I am paticularly interested in tagging studies using deterministic
modelling methods, but any information would be appreciated.

Please e-mail me if you can help

Thank you 

Brenden Bertuola
liquidsky@southwest.com.au


From gullfilm@mailbox.uq.edu.au Mon Dec  9 12:14:56 EST 1996
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From: gullfilm@mailbox.uq.edu.au
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Subject: Wildlife clips and pics. This week:Flying Foxes.
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Please visit:
http://www.uq.edu.au/gulliver/
to download a 10 sec Quicktime clip of Flying Foxes.

Also info and pics of Australian wildlife and ecosystems, available to
students, teachers, etc..  No commercial use please.

Placed by Gulliver Film Productions, Australia.


From caseph@asu.edu Mon Dec  9 12:14:57 EST 1996
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With reguards to north pacific aquaculture and fisheries: 


 How does heat/shock treatment induce triploidy in north pacific salmon ?
Why are the triploids sterile? 


How do hatchery stocks escape from the hatchery?-- where are stocks
usually raised?



joe c
 <caseph@asu.edu>


From liquidsky@southwest.com.au Mon Dec  9 12:14:59 EST 1996
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From: brenden <liquidsky@southwest.com.au>
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I am just getting into my masters on sea turtles, I am concentrating on
the mathematics side of things, but would like to learn a bit more about
the turtles.  Is any one working in this field, can point me to some
literature or web resources on green turtles. 

I am paticularly interested in tagging studies using deterministic
modelling methods, but any information would be appreciated.

Please e-mail me if you can help

Thank you 

Brenden Bertuola
liquidsky@southwest.com.au


From swalker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk Mon Dec  9 12:15:00 EST 1996
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From: swalker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Stephen Walker)
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In article <329EDF89.2691@us.net> Gary Soucie <garys@us.net> writes:
>From: Gary Soucie <garys@us.net>
>Subject: Re: Freshwater fish that spawns in saltwater?
>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 08:05:13 -0500

>I know this thread has run its course, and the school assignment was
>successfully negotiated. Whenever the word "catadromous" comes up,
>everyone answers "eels." Are any other fishes catadromous, or do the
>anguillidae have a lock on it?

Depends. Some fish are obligate saltwater spawners, but are in other respects 
euryhaline. Some species of mullet, for example, will move a long way up tidal 
rivers, into pretty much fresh water, but must spawn at sea. Flounder do this 
too, juveniles will appear in virtually fresh water, but must return to the 
sea to spawn. Whether you want to define this as catadromy or not comes down 
to semantics. They don't perform the strictly partitioned salt/fresh/salt 
lifestyle of some eels, but they do migrate to sea to spawn. A lot of 
estuarine species are a bit tricky this way.

On the other hand, I seem to recall that there are some Clupeids which are 
truly catadromous, in the strict sense.

But don't quote me on it :-)

Steve

-- 
Steve Walker_________|swalker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk| My opinion only.
>From  where I'm sitting, you lot don't all pass the Turing test.


From thomason@primenet.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:01 EST 1996
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Military industrial complex ????? Hell no I work for a Fortune 200
corporate office about 15 minutes from you campus. It's okay we pay
ASU grades way close to that just to stay here in sunny AZ.

GO SUNDEVILS

BKT(SS)




On 27 Nov 1996 13:01:25 GMT, aufsj@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>: >QUALIFICATIONS: B.S.+ experience required; M.S. or Ph.D.+ experience 
>: >preferred. This is a supervisory position which requires solid 
>: >educational background and technical skills in hydroacoustics and 
>: >electronics. Experience in riverine hydroacoustics and fisheries are 
>: >desirable. Good writing, communication and administrative skills are 
>: >necessary. On the job training will be available.
>: >
>: >SALARY: Starting at $49,116 plus benefits.
>: >
>
>: Wow, does that first paragraph really look out of place with the
>: second paragraph. I have high school graduates making that.
>
>	Yeah, but you're probably working for the vastly overpaid 
>military/industrial complex :-).
>
>	Actually, I think they are looking for Bio majors, not electrical 
>engineers, which makes the salary much more in line. Hell, our prime 
>contractors used to hire almost nothing but "soft sciences" like 
>geography and biology majors, not a comp-sci or engineer in many of the 
>shops. As one manager used to cheerfully put it:  Three-quarters of the 
>math at one-half the paycheck!
>
>	Besides, look at the major benefit: Life in Alaska. Hell, there 
>are bound to be a few burned out SoCal or Corridor types who would gladly 
>take a paycut for a chance to live in moose country. Collins electronics 
>in Iowa used to score major recruitments from these regions with the lure 
>of rural Iowa life (it takes all kinds).  Likewise, our contractors payed 
>positively scandalously low wages to people going to Australia, but the 
>lines were a mile long anyway. Just something about the reputation.
>
>regards,
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Steven J Forsberg  at  aufsj@imap2.asu.edu              Wizard 87-01
>
>
>

BKT


From josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu Mon Dec  9 12:15:02 EST 1996
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From: Josh Hayes <josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu>
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cutedge@ihug.co.nz writes:

> I think you'll find that the salmonidae family (salmon) spawn in the
> sea.

I think you'll find they don't.

Here in the Pacific Northwest US, all of the _Salmo_ spp. engage in
some upstream migration into freshwater spawning habitat. The chum and
pink salmon (O. keta and O. gorbuscha, respectively) exhibit the
shortest upriver migration and in some cases spawn in pretty darn
brackish water. But when it comes to anadromy - as opposed to
catadromy - salmon are the usual example.
-- 
     Josh Hayes	      josh@cqs.washington.edu	    PDGA #9665
	        http://www.cqs.washington.edu/~josh


From saefrdl@icrdl.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:03 EST 1996
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From: Guy Verreault <saefrdl@icrdl.net>
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Does anyone could tell me where I could find information about
exploitation rates in a commercial fisheries for american or european
eel. I'm especially interested by mortality estimates for the silver
stage during downstream migration.
     Information would be very useful to compare our results on the
exploitation of the St-Lawrence River eel population.
                Thanks in advance.



From blastman@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us Mon Dec  9 12:15:05 EST 1996
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From: blastman@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us (Nate Anderson)
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 My name is Tim Fredenburg and I am a student at Mt. Shasta High School. 
I am doing a project in biology on why is respiration of fish affected by
the change in water temperature.  I know that this project is going to
deal with the affect of temperature on oxygen but I not sure what else its
going to deal with.  If anyone can help me out it would be greatly
appreciated.
  Thanks
Tim Fredenburg


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From: this@reader.makes.me.doThis (BlackBeard)
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In article <32a4ec82.754144@news.primenet.com>, thomason@primenet.com wrote:

> Military industrial complex ????? Hell no I work for a Fortune 200
> corporate office about 15 minutes from you campus. It's okay we pay
> ASU grades way close to that just to stay here in sunny AZ.
> 
> GO SUNDEVILS
> 
> BKT(SS)
> 


Did I mention the difference between ASU wimmin and the trash?

;)

BlackBeard
-. .- -..- --.-
De Profundis

Submarines once, Submarines twice...


From xaf58@dial.pipex.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:06 EST 1996
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From: Mark Amechi <xaf58@dial.pipex.com>
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I am looking for literature on shrimp farming and various hatchery 
techniques.  If anyone knows a good mail order source of books or a 
literature source which is accessible online, please inform me.  I'll be 
most grateful.

Thanks.




From gillraker@gnt.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:08 EST 1996
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From: gillraker@gnt.net (Gillraker)
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cutedge@ihug.co.nz wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Nov 96 23:24:48 GMT, theusch@peoples.net (Lee H. Theusch)
>wrote:

>>Please help!  My daughter needs to know [for a school assignment] the name of 
>>a fresh water fish that spawns in salt water.  Please reply to 
>>theusch@peoples.net if you know.  Thanks
>>
>>Lee Theusch  theusch@peoples.net

>I think you'll find that the salmonidae family (salmon) spawn in the
>sea.


 sorry.....Most salmon swim "up" stream to spawn. not to the ocean...
Gillraker



From plburton@mail.goodnet.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:08 EST 1996
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In article <32a4ec82.754144@news.primenet.com> thomason@primenet.com writes:



>GO SUNDEVILS

>BKT(SS)

You misspelled it. That's SCUMDEVILS.

:-)

Sue




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Sue Thing 	plburton@mail.goodnet.com

Those who do not learn from history
are doomed to repeat it next semester.
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BlackBeard (this@reader.makes.me.doThis) wrote:

: Did I mention the difference between ASU wimmin and the trash?
: ;)


	Lemme guess. BlackBeard can manage to pick up the trash? :-)


p.s. Seeing how this is cross-posted all over heck, and most people don't 
seem to appreciate the level of wit here at sci.naval, perhaps we should 
quit this thread before we manage to alienate the rest of the scientific 
hierarchy.

regards,

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Steven J Forsberg  at  aufsj@imap2.asu.edu                Wizard 87-01




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From pscord@pacbell.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:13 EST 1996
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From: Phil Scordelis <pscord@pacbell.net>
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Subject: Re: Fish Respiration
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Nate Anderson wrote:
> 
>  My name is Tim Fredenburg and I am a student at Mt. Shasta High School.
> I am doing a project in biology on why is respiration of fish affected by
> the change in water temperature.  I know that this project is going to
> deal with the affect of temperature on oxygen but I not sure what else its
> going to deal with.  If anyone can help me out it would be greatly
> appreciated.
>   Thanks
> Tim Fredenburg
Also think about the type of animal you're dealing with (i.e., it's
metabolic rate).


From jaburrow@ssbux1.env.gov.bc.ca Mon Dec  9 12:15:14 EST 1996
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Tim asks:
>I am doing a project in biology on why is respiration of fish affected by
>the change in water temperature.  I know that this project is going to
>deal with the affect of temperature on oxygen but I not sure what else its
>going to deal with.

fish (most) are not homeotherms
a fish's T varies with water T
a fish's metabolic rate is higher, at higher water T
higher metabolic rate consumes more oxygen

solubility of oxygen in water goes down, as water T goes up

	-Jeff.


From brett3@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:16 EST 1996
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
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Subject: Re: Freshwater fish that spawns in saltwater?
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In <swalker.3665.001264AF@wpo.nerc.ac.uk> swalker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Stephen
Walker) writes: 
>
>In article <329EDF89.2691@us.net> Gary Soucie <garys@us.net> writes:
>>From: Gary Soucie <garys@us.net>
>>Subject: Re: Freshwater fish that spawns in saltwater?
>>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 08:05:13 -0500
>
>>I know this thread has run its course, and the school assignment was
>>successfully negotiated. Whenever the word "catadromous" comes up,
>>everyone answers "eels." Are any other fishes catadromous, or do the
>>anguillidae have a lock on it?
>
>Depends. Some fish are obligate saltwater spawners, but are in other respects

>euryhaline. Some species of mullet, for example, will move a long way up
tidal 
>rivers, into pretty much fresh water, but must spawn at sea. Flounder do this

>too, juveniles will appear in virtually fresh water, but must return to the 
>sea to spawn. Whether you want to define this as catadromy or not comes down 
>to semantics. They don't perform the strictly partitioned salt/fresh/salt 
>lifestyle of some eels, but they do migrate to sea to spawn. A lot of 
>estuarine species are a bit tricky this way.
>
>On the other hand, I seem to recall that there are some Clupeids which are 
>truly catadromous, in the strict sense.
>
>But don't quote me on it :-)
>
>Steve
>
>-- 
>Steve Walker_________|swalker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk| My opinion only.
>From where I'm sitting, you lot don't all pass the Turing test.


OK, I've been holding out, but I studied some fishes years back for
thier potential aquaculture use.  I'm not remembering real well, but I
think that the Australian barrimundi (snook family?) is catadromous. 
Perhaps one of our Aussie friends could verify this.

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://waterscapes.com


From tprebble@efn.org Mon Dec  9 12:15:17 EST 1996
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jed@nowhere.com wrote in article <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>...
> TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
TRYING TO 
> MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS

> YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST
LIKE 
> TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
EXTRA 
> MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND 
> APPRECIATED.

You know, you could save a few bucks if you cancelled your Internet access.

Oh, and, um... if any of you out there don't have a heart, say hi to Elvis
for me.

Come and read a little message from a man named Jed,
A poor net geek barely kept his family fed.
Then out one day he was huntin' for some cash,
When up from the screen came a GPF crash.

(Fault that is, general protection, invalid opcode, 'puter bug)

Now old Jed, well he likes that net spam,
Trying to fool nice folks with his Holiday scam.
"Help us make this holiday golden...
By sending us the cash that you're currently holdin'."

Happy holidays everyone!!  Especially you, Jed!

-- Trav


From water_quality@trader.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:18 EST 1996
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From: water_quality@trader.com (Greg R Bright)
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I spent several years in Palau in the Western Pacific, studying freshwater fish
that live in streams on this beautiful set of islands. Palau has a number of
gobies and eleotrids that are strictly freshwater as adults but return to the
sea to spawn.  Both of these fish families are of marine origin.   Greg Bright

Read about water quality of lakes and streams at
HTTP://WWW.TRADER.COM/USERS/5012/0614/WATER.HTM
 
---
 * Traders' Connection Web BBS * http://www.trader.com * info@trader.com




From brett3@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:19 EST 1996
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
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Subject: Tilapia zilli lower lethal temp.
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I am trying to find out the lower lethal temperature for Tilapia zilli.
I would be greatly indebted if anybody out there might be able to
e-mail or post it with a reference.  TIA.

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://waterscapes.com


From rkoranda@mail.llion.org Mon Dec  9 12:15:20 EST 1996
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jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> 
> TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY TRYING TO
> MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS
> YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE
> TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME EXTRA
> MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> APPRECIATED.
> 
> THANK YOU
> 
> MRS. PARKISON
> 3105 S. 68TH CRT
> OMAHA, NE.  68106

Seems like you have enough money though for internet access and a
computer to access these groups....sell it and you will have some
money!!


From rkoranda@mail.llion.org Mon Dec  9 12:15:21 EST 1996
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From: Rick <rkoranda@mail.llion.org>
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Rick wrote:
> 
> jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> >
> > TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY TRYING TO
> > MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS
> > YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE
> > TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME EXTRA
> > MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> > APPRECIATED.
> >
> > THANK YOU
> >
> > MRS. PARKISON
> > 3105 S. 68TH CRT
> > OMAHA, NE.  68106
> 
> Seems like you have enough money though for internet access and a
> computer to access these groups....sell it and you will have some
> money!!

I did not mean to be rude, but when I needed money for my kid, I sold my
computer and stuff to make the ends meet and now I use the one at work..
Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way, but I HATE when people BEG FOR
MONEY!!  GET A JOB OR A SECOND JOB!!!


From cashpot@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:22 EST 1996
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In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes: 
>
>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
TRYING TO 
>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
THIS 
>YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
JUST LIKE 
>TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
EXTRA 
>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND 
>APPRECIATED.
>
>
>THANK YOU
>
>
>MRS. PARKISON
>3105 S. 68TH CRT
>OMAHA, NE.  68106

Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!


From photoman@airmail.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:23 EST 1996
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From: photoman@airmail.net (Sal )
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>I did not mean to be rude, but when I needed money for my kid, I sold my
>computer and stuff to make the ends meet and now I use the one at work..
>Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way, but I HATE when people BEG FOR
>MONEY!!  GET A JOB OR A SECOND JOB!!!

It has nothing to do with a job.  Don't you recognize a hustle when
you see one??  Why are you personally offended?

This is just some scumbag hoping to take in a few innocent netizens
for a few extra dollars.

It's called a scam! <g>.  If you don't recognize it here, you must
be in real trouble.

Sal


From photoman@airmail.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:24 EST 1996
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<snip>
>>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND 
>>APPRECIATED.
>>
>>
>>THANK YOU
>>
>>
>>MRS. PARKISON
>>3105 S. 68TH CRT
>>OMAHA, NE.  68106
>
>Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!

No shit, sherlock!


From kim.jauncey@stir.ac.uk Mon Dec  9 12:15:25 EST 1996
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From: "Kim Jauncey" <kim.jauncey@stir.ac.uk>
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Hi,
I am the Course Director of a B.Sc. Aquaculture Honours degree. I have the
enviable job of finding places for research/work experience type placements
for my final (4th) year students. This year I have one who wants to work at
a Public Aquarium - and are I have few contacts in.
If you, or anyone you know, wants a 'free' intelligent pair of hands for
12-14 weeks at a largeish aquarium from January next year please email me
directly for follow-up.
Thanks for your time, apologies for cross-postings.
kim.jauncey@stir.ac.uk



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> > TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
> TRYING TO 
> > MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS
> 
> > YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST
> LIKE 
> > TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
> EXTRA 
> > MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND 
> > APPRECIATED.

 WOW! I guess some people are just too STUPID to understand that this here
is what we call FRAUD...


> You know, you could save a few bucks if you cancelled your Internet access.
> 
Ditto.


> Oh, and, um... if any of you out there don't have a heart, say hi to Elvis
> for me.
> 
Please say hello to God, too!!

Heming


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start by selling your computer...


From gsims@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:28 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS
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I live around Omaha and there isn't a Parkison at that address.  Some
some dope scamming around...

cashpot@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Gonzalez) wrote something to the extent
of:

>In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes: 
>>
>>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
>TRYING TO 
>>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
>THIS 
>>YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
>JUST LIKE 
>>TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
>EXTRA 
>>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND 
>>APPRECIATED.
>>
>>
>>THANK YOU
>>
>>
>>MRS. PARKISON
>>3105 S. 68TH CRT
>>OMAHA, NE.  68106

>Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!

Garrett
"In God We Trust", to phrase a coin...



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jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> 
> TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY TRYING TO
> MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS
> YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE
> TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME EXTRA
> MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> APPRECIATED.
> 
> THANK YOU
> 
> MRS. PARKISON
> 3105 S. 68TH CRT
> OMAHA, NE.  68106

OMIGOSH!!!!!  Panhandling has found its way on the 'Net!  What's next:
"Will flame for food"?!?  Now I've seen EVERYTHING!!!!!

-- 
ÐÏà¡±á


From Bhackit@cracker.net(fake) Mon Dec  9 12:15:30 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 21:26:21 -0600
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your in a porn group, lets see your ass and I might, fuck it that is,
not send money


From culo@cornholio.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:31 EST 1996
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From: Culo@Cornholio.net (Cornholio)
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Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS
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On Fri, 06 Dec 96 06:52:35 GMT, jed@nowhere.com wrote:

>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY TRYING TO 
>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS 
>YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE 
>TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME EXTRA 
>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND 
>APPRECIATED.
>
>
>THANK YOU
>
>
>MRS. PARKISON
>3105 S. 68TH CRT
>OMAHA, NE.  68106


What the fuck?
thats all I can say


From jeef@aol.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:32 EST 1996
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Subject: endangered fish
Date: 6 Dec 1996 04:18:34 GMT
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We are looking for a list from each State of STATE listed threatened and
endangered fishes. Does anyone have one, or know where one can be found?
Thanks. jeff Schaeffer U. of Tampa


From shroom@mail.hot1.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:33 EST 1996
Article: 2791 of sci.bio.fisheries
From: "Joey Gray" <shroom@mail.hot1.net>
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS
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this is either a scam or someone with no pride or mental power.
If this is not a scam. Go down to the Salvation Army. They will help you
have a better christmas, if this is a scam then FUCKOFF that aint no shit
to be scammin people about.
MNiC
Cornholio <Culo@Cornholio.net> wrote in article <32b119e4.54219490@News>...
> On Fri, 06 Dec 96 06:52:35 GMT, jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> 
> >TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
TRYING TO 
> >MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
THIS 
> >YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST
LIKE 
> >TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
EXTRA 
> >MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND 
> >APPRECIATED.
> >
> >
> >THANK YOU
> >
> >
> >MRS. PARKISON
> >3105 S. 68TH CRT
> >OMAHA, NE.  68106
> 
> 
> What the fuck?
> thats all I can say
> 


From ringzero@fredsinc.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:35 EST 1996
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From: ringzero@fredsinc.com (Ring Zero)
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Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS
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On 6 Dec 1996 07:17:44 GMT, "Travis Prebble" <tprebble@efn.org> wrote:

>> TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY

>Come and read a little message from a man named Jed,
>A poor net geek barely kept his family fed.
>Then out one day he was huntin' for some cash,
>When up from the screen came a GPF crash.

	This was great!  Thanks for the humour!

	Ring Zero


From dwangert@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:36 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS
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Sal wrote:
> 
> >I did not mean to be rude, but when I needed money for my kid, I sold my
> >computer and stuff to make the ends meet and now I use the one at work..
> >Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way, but I HATE when people BEG FOR
> >MONEY!!  GET A JOB OR A SECOND JOB!!!
> 
> It has nothing to do with a job.  Don't you recognize a hustle when
> you see one??  Why are you personally offended?
> 
> This is just some scumbag hoping to take in a few innocent netizens
> for a few extra dollars.
> 
> It's called a scam! <g>.  If you don't recognize it here, you must
> be in real trouble.
> 
> Sal
this is fucking unbelievable!!!!!Get REAL you moron and get off the
newsgroup. Get a job and get rid of your computer.


From chrisdeb@annap.infi.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:37 EST 1996
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From: CCJ <chrisdeb@annap.infi.net>
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Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS
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jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> 
> TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY TRYING TO
> MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS
> YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE
> TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME EXTRA
> MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> APPRECIATED.
> 
> THANK YOU
> 
> MRS. PARKISON
> 3105 S. 68TH CRT
> OMAHA, NE.  68106



I have a heart, thank you. I also have a brain. I suggest you use yours 
for something less sleasy.

P.S. I'll be glad to send you some money and even get my friends to 
send some but I need money for stamps. Please send $500 so I can help 
you a lot. :-)

CCJ




From chrisdeb@annap.infi.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:38 EST 1996
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jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> 
> TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY TRYING TO
> MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS
> YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE
> TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME EXTRA
> MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> APPRECIATED.
> 
> THANK YOU
> 
> MRS. PARKISON
> 3105 S. 68TH CRT
> OMAHA, NE.  68106


I have a heart. I also have a brain. That is why I am not sending you any 
money.....On second thought, I have many friends and relatives. If YOU 
will send ME $500 (needed for postage and phone calls) .........



From brogers@castlegate.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:39 EST 1996
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Rick <rkoranda@mail.llion.org> wrote in article
<32A7E4B1.2BED@mail.llion.org>...
> jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> > 
> > TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
TRYING TO
> > MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
THIS
> > YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST
LIKE
> > TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
EXTRA
> > MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> > APPRECIATED.
> > 
> > THANK YOU
> > 
> > MRS. PARKISON
> > 3105 S. 68TH CRT
> > OMAHA, NE.  68106
> 
> Seems like you have enough money though for internet access and a
> computer to access these groups....sell it and you will have some
> money!!
> 
> 



I'll second that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



From josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu Mon Dec  9 12:15:40 EST 1996
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From: Josh Hayes <josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu>
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Subject: Re: Freshwater fish that spawns in saltwater?
Date: 03 Dec 1996 12:33:37 -0800
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Ack, what a geek, following up my own post, where I said:

> cutedge@ihug.co.nz writes:
> 
> > I think you'll find that the salmonidae family (salmon) spawn in the
> > sea.
> 
> Here in the Pacific Northwest US, all of the _Salmo_ spp. [...]

Of course, I meant Oncorhynchus, not Salmo. *Bonk*

     Josh Hayes	      josh@cqs.washington.edu	    PDGA #9665
	        http://www.cqs.washington.edu/~josh


From pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk Mon Dec  9 12:15:41 EST 1996
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From: Philip M Jones <pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Freshwater lice on brown trout
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Can anyone provide any info on the louse, known as Argulus apparently,
which sometimes infests brown trout in freshwater?  What might cause an
increase in their numbers?  Effects?

Mail to pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk would be appreciated.

-- 
Phil Jones

Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


From explorer6@hotmail.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:42 EST 1996
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Subject: Porpoise Info
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Anyone who is reading this, could you please send me any documents,
links, emails, or FACTUAL information about porpoises.  This is for a
research paper, so please make the information FACTUAL.

My email address is: explorer6@hotmail.com

THANKS!


From nshubin@sas.upenn.edu Mon Dec  9 12:15:43 EST 1996
Article: 2800 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: nshubin@sas.upenn.edu (Neil Shubin)
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Subject: Training Program
Date: 6 Dec 1996 19:19:38 GMT
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   The Department of Biology of the University of Pennsylvania invites
applications for training in ecology and evolutionary biology.  We
currently  have an NSF-sponsored training grant available to support
doctoral students* beginning in Fall 1997.  The new 5-year training
initiative will provide students with a solid background in basic science
while giving them the tools to become effective problem solvers in areas
that affect both the natural biological world and social systems.  The
curriculum includes instruction in environmental law, public policy, and
science writing.  Students interested in a wide variety of ecological,
evolutionary, and paleontological problems are encouraged to apply.

   The core faculty are members of the Biology Department at Penn and
adjunct faculty at the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia, the
nearby Stroud Water Research Center, and the Conservation Research Center
in Front Royal, Va.  A policy seminar will be taught by Dan Janzen, a
world expert in biological and political issues related to the
conservation of biodiversity.  Additional courses will involve members of
the Philadelphia legal community and professional journalists.

   The faculty are well-equipped to supervise a wide variety of
dissertation research topics.  Their field sites are distributed
world-wide, and many are involved in the collection of long-term data
sets.  Examples of research interests include behavioral ecology (Dorothy
Cheney, John Smith), freshwater and marine community ecology (Clyde
Goulden, David Hart, Peter Petraitis), physiological ecology/population
biology of plants and animals (Brenda Casper, Art Dunham), biodiversity
and animal-plant interactions (Dan Janzen), and evolution and systematics
(Dominique Didier, Neil Shubin).  Paul Sniegowski, who studies the
evolution of natural mutation rates, joins the Biology Department in
January.  Students will be encouraged to take advantage of campus-wide
programs in computational biology, paleobiology, and environmental
sciences.

   A number of natural habitats are easily accessible from the Penn
campus--coastal and freshwater marshes, the pinelands of New Jersey,
hardwood forests, and serpentine barrens.  The Academy of Natural Sciences
houses one of the best natural history libraries in the country and
several major collections, including mollucs, diatoms, fishes and birds. 
Students commonly use resources at the American Museum of Natural History
(N.Y.C.) and the Smithsonian (Washington, D.C.).  The Morris Arboretum and
the Tyler Arboretum are within an hour¹s drive.  Some students conduct
their field research overseas.

   We encourage applications from women and minorities.  The deadline for
applications is January 15 of each year, for the following fall.  For more
information concerning this training grant contact:

Dr. Brenda Casper
E-Mail address:  bcasper@sas.upenn.edu
or
Dr. Neil Shubin
E-Mail address:  nshubin@sas.upenn.edu

or if a Graduate Division School of Arts and Sciences application packet
is needed, contact:

Allan M. Aiken
E-Mail address:  aaiken@sas.upenn.edu




*This NSF-sponsored training grant is limited to the support of United
States citizens and landed residents only.


From jfischer@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Mon Dec  9 12:15:44 EST 1996
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From: Johanne Fischer <jfischer@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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Carlio:  

Chain mail is benefitting only a few people at the expense of many.  I
dislike seeing this fraud advertised in newsgroups and I only hope that
you get a lot of negative responses.  Please, don't continue to send
unethical messages around.

	Johanne

On Thu, 28 Nov 1996 Carlio@concentric.net wrote:

> This is the best way of getting money fast, in an easy, honest and legal
> way too.
> 
> Read this message and be sure of what I am trying to say.
> 
> THIS IS THE FAIREST AND MOST HONEST WAY I KNOW OF TO SHARE THE WEALTH!
> 
> HELLO!  Would you like to make thousands of dollars, quickly, legally,
> 
> with NO CATCH!!  Then keep reading...please take 5 minutes to read this 
> 
> article and it will change your life forever, just like it did mine.
> 
> It's true!!  You can make up to or over $50,000 dollars in just 4-6
> weeks,
> 
> maybe sooner.  I CANNOT TELL YOU ENOUGH THAT THIS IS NOT A SCAM AND I AM 
> 
> JUST A CYBER SURFER JUST LIKE YOU!!!  If you are interested, keep
> reading,
> 
> if your not, I apologized for wasting your time.
> 
>         Are you ready?  Then here we go. A little while back, I was
> browsing
> 
> through these newsgroups, just like your doing right now, and came
 > across
> 
> an article similar to this one that said you can make thousands of
> dollars
> 
> in weeks with only an initial investment of $5.00!!  So, I thought,
> "Yeah
> 
> right, must be a scam!" but I was curious, like most of us, so I kept 
> 
> reading.  Anyways, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 5 names
> and
> 
> addresses stated in the article.  You then place your name and address
> in
> 
> the article at the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at
> 
> least 200 newsgroups (there are thousands).  No catch, that was it!!
> 
>         So after thinking it over, talking to a few people first, I
> decided to
> 
> try it.  I figured that what do I have to lose except for 5 stamps and
> 
> $5.00, right??  Well, guess what ...within 5 days, I started getting
> money
> 
> in the mail!!  I was shocked!!  I still figured it would end soon, and 
> 
> didn't give it another thought.  But the money kept rolling in, tripling
> 
> in size and multiplying by 10-20 times the amount that I got the first
> 
> week!!  In my first week, I made about 20 to 30 dollars. But by the end
> of
> 
> the second week, I had made over $1000.00 dollars!!!  In the third week,
> I
> 
> had over $10,000 dollars, and it is still growing.  This is now my
> fourth
> 
> week (Nov 10) and I've made about $42,000 TOTAL, and the money is STILL
> 
> growing and coming in...
> 
> ****This is the good news for the author of this article, this is not my 
> 
> history.  I am just now posting this article (Nov 28th).  When I start
> 
> receiving money I will update this article and inform all of my good 
> 
> fortune.  I am not going to lie to you, I am giving it a shot and I
> think
> 
> that you should also.  I have spent many of $1, $5 bills on the lottery
> 
> alone and nothing to show for it.  At least this way I am making an
> effort
> 
> to fund my college tuition and share the wealth around the internet
> world.
> 
>         Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY it
> works....
> 
> also, make sure you PRINT a copy of this article now, so you get all the
> 
> information off of it, and begin making money.
> 
>         The process is very simple, and it consists of 3 EASY steps:
> STEP 1:
> 
> Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write the following on EACH sheet of
> 
> paper  "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST.  YOU ARE NUMBER 4."  Get
> five
> 
> $1.00 bills and place ONE inside each piece of paper so the bill will
> not
> 
> be seen in the envelope (otherwise, nosey people who like to steal 
> 
> envelopes with money in it will get yours.)  Put one paper inside the
> 
> envelope and seal it.  Do the same for all 5!!  You should now have 5
> 
> envelopes sealed, EACH have a piece of paper AND a $1.00 bill stuffed
> 
> inside of the paper.  Make sure those words that were stated above are
> 
> stated on each piece of paper.  What you are doing is creating a service
> 
> by this, and this makas it PERFECTLY LEGAL.  Now then, mail the 5
> envelopes
> 
> with the paper and $1.00 in each to the following addresses:
> 
> 1.      M. Nawlo, 27 Crows Nest Ln.  #17, Danbury, CT 06810
> 
> 2.      L. Robinson, 7697 County Rd. #350, Meridian, MS 39301
> 
> 3.      L. Dano, 6185 1/2 Montezuma Rd., San Diego, CA 92115
> 
> 4.      T. Louis, 1340 Hamilton Ave., Trenton, NJ 08629
> 
> 5.      Manager, P.O. Box 9328, Hamilton, NJ 08610
> 
> 
> STEP 2: Now take the #1 name OFF the list that you see above and move
> the
> 
> other 4 names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc) and put YOUR NAME as 
> 
> number 5 on the list.  You can slightly alter this article if you need
> to,
> 
> editing what YOU need to edit.
> 
> 
> STEP 3: Post your amended article (with your name at #5) to at least 200
> 
> newsgoups (I think there's close to 18,000 of them.)  All you need is
> lets
> 
> say, at least 200. HOW TO DO THIS:  If you have Netscape 3.0 do EXACTLY
> the
> 
> following:
> 
> 
> 1)  Click on any news group like normal, THEN click on TO NEWS, which is
> 
> on the far left when your in the news group page.  This will bring up a 
> 
> box to type a message in.
> 
> 
> 2)  Leave the news group box like it is, CHANGE the subject box to
> something
> 
> flashy, like, "NEED CASH$$$READ HERE$$$" OR "FAST CASH$$$."  You make
> this
> 
> one to catch an eye!! I used "CHECK THIS OUT!!!"
> 
> 
> 3)Tab once and you should be ready to type.  Now retype (only once) THIS
> 
> whole article WORD FOR WORD, except to insert your name at #5, and to
> remove
> 
> #1 off the list, plus any other small changes you think you need to
> make.
> 
> Keep almost all of it the same!!
> 
> 
> 4)  When your done typing the WHOLE article, click FILE in THIS BOX,
> RIGHT
> 
> ABOVE SEND, NOT WHERE IT SAYS NETSCAPE NEWS ON THE FIRST BOX. Click on
> SAVE
> 
> AS when your under FILE.  Save your article as a text file to your C: or
> A:
> 
> drive.  DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE UNTIL YOU DO THIS.  Once saved, 
> 
> move on to number 5 below.
> 
> 
> 5)  If you still have all of your text, send or post to this news group
> now
> 
> by just clicking send, which is right below FILE, and right above Cc:
> 
> 
> 6)  Here's where you are going to post all 200. Ok, click on any news
> group
> 
> then click on "To News," again in the top left corner.  Leave news group 
> 
> BOX alone again, put a flashy subject title in the SUBJECT BOX, hit tab
> once
> 
> so you're in the body of the message, and then click on ATTACHMENTS,
> which
> 
> is below the SUBJECT BOX, You will get another box to come up.  Click on 
> 
> ATTACH FILE, then find YOUR file that you saved; click once on the file,
> and
> 
> then click OPEN; now click on OK; if you did this right, you should see
> your
> 
> filename in the attachments box, and it will be shaded green.
> 
> 
> NOW IF YOU USE INTERNET EXPLORER IT'S JUST AS EASY...HOLDING DOW THE
> LEFT
> 
> MOUSE BUTTON, HIGHLIGHT THIS ARTICLE.  THEN PRESS THE "CTRL" KEY AND THE
> "C"
> 
> KEY AT THE SAME TIME TO COPY THE ARTICLE. THEN PRINT THIS ARTICLE FOR
> YOUR
> 
> RECORDS TO HAVE THE NAMES OF THOSE YOU WILL BE SENDING THE $1.00 BILLS
> TO.
> 
> NEXT, GO TO THE NEWSGROUPS AND PRESS "POST AN ARTICLE" A WINDOW WILL
> OPEN.
> 
> TYPE IN THE HEADLINE IN THE SUBJECT AREA AND THEN CLICK IN THE LARGE
> WINDOW
> 
> BELOW.  PRESS "CTRL" AND THEN "V" AND THE ARTICLE WILL BE PLACED IN THE
> 
> WINDOW.  IF YOU WANT TO EDIT THE ARTICLE, DO SO AND THEN HIGHLIGHT AND
> COPY 
> 
> IT AGAIN.  NOW EVERY TIME YOU POST THE ARTICLE IN A NEW news group ALL
> YOU
> 
> HAVE TO REPEAT "CTRL" AND "V" AND PRESS POST!!!
> 
> 
> 7)  That's it.  Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a 
> 
> different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 DIFFERENT newsgroups,
> and
> 
> you see??  Now you just have 199 to go!!  (Don't worry, each one takes
> about
> 
> 30 seconds, once you get the hang of it.)  REMEMBER 200 IS THE MINIMUM. 
> The
> 
> more you post the more money you will receive.  AND THAT'S IT!!!  THAT'S 
> 
> ONLY 3 EASY STEPS!!!
> 
> 
> You are now in the mail order business and will start receiving your 
> 
> envelopes from various people all around the world within days.  HINT:
> THE
> 
> MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST TO, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE.  You may want
> to
> 
> rent a P.O. Box eventually because of all the mail.  If you wish to stay
> 
> anonymous, you can make up a name, such as "manager" or "investor." 
> Just
> 
> make sure all the addresses are CORRECT, please!  REMEMBER, your address
> is
> 
> on there also, and you would want the next person to copy it exactly as
> you
> 
> placed it.
> 
> 
> LET ME SHOW YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
> Out of every 200 postings, let's say I only receive 5 replies, which is 
> 
> actually VERY LOW.  So I made my 5 dollars with my name at #5.  Now
> then,
> 
> each person who just sent me $1.00 makes, say only 200 postings, now
> with
> 
> your name at #4, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS, not including yours
> too.
> 
> 50 people send you $1.00, that's $50.00 you just made!!  Now, then your
> new
> 
> 50 agents post 200 each with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3, OR 10,000 POSTINGS
> 
> (50 X 200.)  Average return is 500 at $1.00 each is $500.00.  They make
> 200
> 
> postings each with your name at #2, which is 100,000 postings, which at
> 
> 5,000 returns at $1.00 each, which is $5000.00 dollars!!!  And finally, 
> 
> 5,000 people make 200 postings each with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1.  YOU NOW
> 
> GET A RETURN OF $50,000 BEFORE YOUR NAME DROPS OFF THE LIST.  AND THAT'S
> IF
> 
> EVERYONE MAKES 200 POSTINGS ONLY, AND IF ONLY PERSONS RESPOND.
> 
> 
> When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest
> posting
> 
> that is appearing in the newsgroups, and SEND OUT ANOTHER $5.00.
> 
> 



From tamchina@vianet.on.ca Mon Dec  9 12:15:45 EST 1996
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It is very bad! I think you'll find exit from situation. But you must 
have a honor mr.
Marry Christmass



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On 6 Dec 1996 13:42:56 GMT, cashpot@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Gonzalez)
wrote:

>In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes: 
>>
>>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
>TRYING TO 
>>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
>THIS 
>>YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
>JUST LIKE 
>>TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
>EXTRA 
>>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND 
>>APPRECIATED.
>>
>>
>>THANK YOU
>>
>>
>>MRS. PARKISON
>>3105 S. 68TH CRT
>>OMAHA, NE.  68106
>
>Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!

Something like this doesn't deserve a comment.

no comment



From lovena@mdc.net Mon Dec  9 12:15:48 EST 1996
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jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> 
> TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY TRYING TO
> MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS THIS
> YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE
> TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME EXTRA
> MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> APPRECIATED.
> 
> THANK YOU
> 
> MRS. PARKISON
> 3105 S. 68TH CRT
> OMAHA, NE.  68106


*S* Who do I make the check out to? .......NOT!
-- 
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*  "Quit your whining and just jump!"          *
*  Lovena on skydiving....iceskating....life!  *
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From century@wr.com.au Mon Dec  9 12:15:49 EST 1996
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Ernest Spenard wrote:
> 
> On 6 Dec 1996 13:42:56 GMT, cashpot@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Gonzalez)
> wrote:
> 
> >In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes:
> >>
> >>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
> >TRYING TO
> >>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
> >THIS
> >>YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
> >JUST LIKE
> >>TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
> >EXTRA
> >>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> >>APPRECIATED.
> >>
> >>
> >>THANK YOU
> >>
> >>
> >>MRS. PARKISON
> >>3105 S. 68TH CRT
> >>OMAHA, NE.  68106
> >
> >Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!
> 
> Something like this doesn't deserve a comment.
> 
> no comment


     As if!!! If you're so por how can you not only afford internet
connection but also the high level computer equipment to connect?


From cutedge@ihug.co.nz Mon Dec  9 12:15:50 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Freshwater fish that spawns in saltwater?
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On Sat, 23 Nov 96 23:24:48 GMT, theusch@peoples.net (Lee H. Theusch)
wrote:

>Please help!  My daughter needs to know [for a school assignment] the name of 
>a fresh water fish that spawns in salt water.  Please reply to 
>theusch@peoples.net if you know.  Thanks
>
>Lee Theusch  theusch@peoples.net

I think you'll find that the salmonidae family (salmon) spawn in the
sea.


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Ernest Spenard wrote:
> 
> On 6 Dec 1996 13:42:56 GMT, cashpot@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Gonzalez)
> wrote:
> 
> >In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes:
> >>
> >>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
> >TRYING TO
> >>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
> >THIS
> >>YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
> >JUST LIKE
> >>TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
> >EXTRA
> >>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> >>APPRECIATED.
> >>
> >>
> >>THANK YOU
> >>
> >>
> >>MRS. PARKISON
> >>3105 S. 68TH CRT
> >>OMAHA, NE.  68106
> >
> >Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!
> 
> Something like this doesn't deserve a comment.
> 
> no comment
really sad that the only post to schistosoma is a plea for money.
  June


From jhemdal@aol.com Mon Dec  9 12:15:53 EST 1996
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Tim:

   See if you can locate the January, 1996 issue of Aquarium Fish
Magazine.  On page 70 is an article I wrote in which I discuss fish
respiration rates, including some research I've done on this topic.  I
really can't say that this is the "last word" on this particular topic,
but it is a starting point....

jh



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On 02 Dec 1996 14:52:12 -0800, Josh Hayes
<josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu> wrote:

>cutedge@ihug.co.nz writes:
>
>> I think you'll find that the salmonidae family (salmon) spawn in the
>> sea.
>
>I think you'll find they don't.
>
>Here in the Pacific Northwest US, all of the _Salmo_ spp. engage in
>some upstream migration into freshwater spawning habitat. The chum and
>pink salmon (O. keta and O. gorbuscha, respectively) exhibit the
>shortest upriver migration and in some cases spawn in pretty darn
>brackish water. But when it comes to anadromy - as opposed to
>catadromy - salmon are the usual example.
>-- 
>     Josh Hayes	      josh@cqs.washington.edu	    PDGA #9665
>	        http://www.cqs.washington.edu/~josh
How about eels? They spawn in the Sargasso sea, and migrate to
freshwater when mature. Sorry, don't know the genus/species. 



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I will  appreciate an answer to the following trivia question that my
child asked me recently.

The question is:

How many hearts does an octopus have?


From brett3@ix.netcom.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:31 EST 1996
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In <MlMy$AAGQeqyEwDX@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> Philip M Jones
<pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> writes: 
>
>Can anyone provide any info on the louse, known as Argulus apparently,
>which sometimes infests brown trout in freshwater?  What might cause
an
>increase in their numbers?  Effects?
>
>Mail to pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk would be appreciated.
>
>-- 
>Phil Jones
>
>Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


I'm not sure about Argulus in cold water, but we get them on warmwater
fish in our lakes.  They are not much of a problem in low numbers, but
can get to be a problem, especially in aquaculture ponds or hobby
ponds.  We use different insecticides to control them in ponds.  I'm
sure this would not work well in a stream.  Do the fish seem to be
severly hurt by them?

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas


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> >>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
> >TRYING TO
> >>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
> >THIS
> >>YEAR. 

Ah spoken like a true liberal...play on their emotions to get what you 
want.  Well in the same liberal vein, Christmas isnt about getting 
gifts, its about celebrating Jesus' birth.  Ya dont need no gifts just 
let the love flow man.


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the coErnest Spenard wrote:
> 
> On 6 Dec 1996 13:42:56 GMT, cashpot@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Gonzalez)
> wrote:
> 
> >In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes:
> >>
> >>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
> >TRYING TO
> >>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
> >THIS
> >>YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
> >JUST LIKE
> >>TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
> >EXTRA
> >>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> >>APPRECIATED.
> >>
> >>
> >>THANK YOU
> >>
> >>
> >>MRS. PARKISON
> >>3105 S. 68TH CRT
> >>OMAHA, NE.  68106
> >
> >Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!
> 
> Something like this doesn't deserve a comment.
> 
> no comment

the cost of food no... internet access yes... hmmmm


From mdaniele@monmouth.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:34 EST 1996
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The guy may be a scammer (and a spammer, for that matter) but you must
admit, he started a good thread here. I want so bad to write in and tell
everybody that they're just a bunch of scrooges, but I'm sure my sarcasm
will go over the head of anyone who replies. The only people who will catch
my sarcasm would be the ones who don't respond to it.




From mercury@panix.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:35 EST 1996
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Reverend J Rauch wrote and Mercury Snipped. Here's what's left:
> 
> Please Read, DO NOT PUT IN TRASH,  NOT A SCAM!!!!
> Everybody helps each other, nobody loses!!!

And come the year 2000 we'll be living in a Utopia, the lion will lay
down with the lamb, and inter-dimensional travel will be commonplace.

> Hello, my Friend!

I think not.

<SNIP SNIP>

> Would someone scam you for 1 dollar?

I've seen crack addicts scam people for 10 cents, and sell their own
mothers for 20.

<SNIP SNIP>

> CHA CHING!!!
> all I did was send five bucks!!!!

Would that be the sound of the handcuffs being slapped on your wrist,
and what you screamed at the judge before he tossed your sorry ass in
Jail for breaking the law?
 
> I tried to get easy money before by lottery and I was spending more than
> 10 dollars a week for sure. Now I'm paying for a trip to Jamacia,
> without my parents' help. The best thing about this is that you don't
> have to do anything just send five envelopes, post in newsgroups and
> wait for cash to come.

Or the Police

> Fool proof technique:

Not really... just proof that a fool and his money are soon parted.

<SNIP SNIP> 

> "List"

Translation: Group of people looking to buy shares in the Brooklyn
Bridge.

--
James "I do not like Spam, Sam I am" Petillo


From odave@mindspring.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:36 EST 1996
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You should place as much bicarbonate (baking soday, regular old Arm
and Hammer) as you do MS-222.  The reason is that the pH will go into
stressful areas for the fish that are being treated.  If you use the
baking soday it will keep the pH in balance.

ie if you use 32 gms of MS-222, also add 32 gms of Baking Soda...
Check your pH both ways and it will comfirm this treatment, Good luck
aqua people!

signed, an old fish culturist thats been there... :> 
           
            DaveO <odave@mindspring.com>

Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@auracom.com> wrote:

>Is there a standard fomulation for administration of MS-222 for fish by:
>weight, tank volume, salt versus freshwater, etc. Would appreciate some
>literature starting points. Many thanks in advance.


	Oh yes, in re to the original question: In fresh water situtions... (I
worked with freshwater/warmwater only : > )   When we would experiment
with treating a fish for spawning purposes, we would add 5 gm
incriments until the desired effect was established.  I think for
about 10 gallons of H2O we would use around 30gms of MS-222 (that
would work for our hardness, pH, temp considerations...   To each use
you may want more or less treatment according to your end
result/desire for the fish afterwards! :>  ie if you wanted the fish
to survive or not as an end result.
>Lawrence
>biodiver@auracom.com




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Gary wrote:
> 
> >
> > >In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes:
> > >>
> > >>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
> > >TRYING TO
> > >>MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
> > >THIS
> > >>YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
> > >JUST LIKE
> > >>TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
> > >EXTRA
> > >>MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> > >>APPRECIATED.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>THANK YOU
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>MRS. PARKISON
> > >>3105 S. 68TH CRT
> > >>OMAHA, NE.  68106
> > >
> > >Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!
> >


This "jed" character had posted similar items regarding sending money to
the poor unfortunate person that raised him.

What a dick.

Gee, since I have the flu I think I'll cough big time on a Christmas
card and send it to them.

All in the spirit of giving, you see.

bill


From sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Tue Dec 17 13:34:38 EST 1996
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From: Sean Clancy <sclancy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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Subject: Re: Fish Respiration
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:59:13 -0330
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On 4 Dec 1996, Jeff Burrows wrote:

> Tim asks:
> >I am doing a project in biology on why is respiration of fish affected by
> >the change in water temperature.  I know that this project is going to
> >deal with the affect of temperature on oxygen but I not sure what else its
> >going to deal with.
> 
> fish (most) are not homeotherms
> a fish's T varies with water T
> a fish's metabolic rate is higher, at higher water T

 --snip--

a fish will stop metabolizing as it approaches a critical high T
same thing for the critical low T

$0.02

src

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From coling@leaphere.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:39 EST 1996
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Subject: May 1st 1997 Sidney by the Sea - Fishing Derby - $7,500 Grand Prize !!! - Early bird draw
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	$7,500 Jackpot plus many other cash & merchandise prizes

	Early bird draw if paid by December 31, 1996.{Win your entry fee back}

Contact
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From grollef@ix.netcom.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:41 EST 1996
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From: Gunnar Rollefsen <grollef@ix.netcom.com>
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Subject: Re: Norwegian Herring
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 15:34:01 -0800
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Konstanze Seifert wrote:
> 
> I have found some interesting articles on the Norwegian spring spawning herring but I have two problems,
> 1. I do not have a source of up to date catch data;

Check out  http://www.imr.no/imr.htm

Someone there can help you

> 2. I am not sure of the scientific name of this species ( is it Clupea harengus?).

Yes

Regards
GR


From Bob_Crownfield@QC.edu Tue Dec 17 13:34:42 EST 1996
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Postmaster:

Talk about broad band spamming. please tell colin to stop this.



Colin Girard wrote:
> 
> Thought some of you may be interested in a weekend adventure which could
> 
> include cash prizes!
> 
> May 1st - 3rd / 1997
> 
>         Port Sidney's 2nd annual fishing Tournament
>         $7,500 Jackpot plus many other cash & merchandise prizes
> 
>         Early bird draw if paid by December 31, 1996.{Win your entry fee back}
> 
> Contact
>         fishingderby@leaphere.com
> 
>         http://leaphere.com/fishingderby/

-- 
Bob_Crownfield@QC.edu  
Queens College, Computing and Information Technology Services
Photography, Diving, Flying, Delphi RAD addict
Diving Long Island Sound in Fairfield County, CT


From littlemalone@blomand.net Tue Dec 17 13:34:43 EST 1996
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From: crystal littleton <littlemalone@blomand.net>
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> 
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From henrycg@engin.umich.edu Tue Dec 17 13:34:45 EST 1996
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From: Henry Charles Gehringer <henrycg@engin.umich.edu>
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On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, crystal littleton wrote:

> As my mama says, gosh! the nerve of some people.

Yeah, and can you BELIVE those people who waste bandwidth by quoting an 
ENTIRE spam posting and add a one line reply?

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From nickpace@judge.rand.org Tue Dec 17 13:34:46 EST 1996
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Subject: PROPOSED MALIBU (CAL) MARINE SANCTUARY
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[This is a long and angry letter I sent to the Malibu City Council and
local newspapers about the threatened shut down of ALL fishing along the
27 miles of Southern California coastline next to the limits of the City
of Malibu (extending to the three mile limit).  The proposed sanctuary is
being pushed by a local group of anti-fishing activists who don't have a
clue about how the real world (i.e., outside of their sheltered Malibu
lives) operates.  They've got some wacky idea that any guy with a surf rod
is hell bent on raping the environment and killing all the whales,
dolphins, and other lovable creatures.

I strongly urge all recreational salt water anglers to oppose this
stupidity.  If you live in California, please tell your state
representative that you are against the thoughtless inclusion of a ban on
angling since the state legislature would have to approve the restriction.
Unfortunately, State Senator Tom Hayden and State Assemblyperson Sheila
Kuehl have already agreed to sponsor whatever the Malibu City Council
wants in this regard (and the Council is currently pushing for a complete
ban in the 90 square mile area).  If Malibu is allowed to control its
offshore waters without the benefit of any scientific evidence, what other
locale is next?

Thanks for your help.  I know that no thinking angler is against
restricting fishing when such a ban is truly needed but the Council's
plan throws the baby out with the bathwater simply to satisfy some
well-to-do fuzzy thinking new age crystal heads.]

December 6, 1996

Letters to the Editor
Malibu Surfside News
P.O. Box 903
Malibu, CA   90265

RE: Proposed Malibu Marine Refuge

Editor:

Like many other Malibu residents, I read with dismay the
article in the December 5th issue detailing the proposal by the City
Council to create a "Marine Refuge" within the city limits.  For a number
of reasons, this attempt to restrict the recreational uses of the beaches
is but another blow against free and public access to the shoreline.  I'm
not sure of the exact motivations of the Council in pursuing this
ludicrous and shameful goal, but I do know that the intended result would
be a coastline where only the privileged few will be able to enjoy its
benefits.

The refuge sounds on paper to be a laudable proposal.  Many Californians,
including myself, have long been concerned with the damage that
unrestricted oil drilling, hastily conducted mineral extraction, unchecked
pollutants from runoffs and spillage, and unfettered commercial trawling
might do to our precious shores.  Over the years since the beginnings of
the rise in general environmental awareness in the early 70s, voters and
some progressive legislators have sought to check these potential hazards
through a thoughtful and scientific approach to management and
preservation.  The advent of the California Coastal Commission,
restrictions on future oil lease sales, and the bans on the gill net
fishery are but a few examples of some of the steps already taken to
protect what we have for the future.  No doubt more work is needed in many
areas.  We still have significant amounts of pollutants entering Santa
Monica Bay from a variety of sources and the rush to develop the coastline
with commercial and residential construction should be a concern to all.
But these steps have been taken with both thoughtful deliberation and with
keeping the aesthetic and recreational needs of all Californians
paramount.  Unfortunately, the Council's plan to lock out the public from
many uses along the 27 miles of the city does little to increase the level
of protection and does a lot to stop those who visit the area from
enjoying their day at the beach.

Currently, there are two main proposals on the table for the creation of
the refuge that differ only in the size of the area considered for
protection.  The original plan was to create a refuge along the full
length of the city, extending three miles offshore from the mean high tide
line.  The area would be banned from all fishing, both commercial and
recreational, and any other "extractive" activities such as mining and
petroleum exploration.  This would mean that the City of Malibu, and its
taxpayers, would be responsible for enforcing the ban in nearly 90 square
miles of open ocean.  This also means that any parent in a 12 foot dingy
dropping a line in the water with their son or daughter on a sunny
afternoon would be just as guilty of breaking the law as would Exxon if
they sunk a couple of oil platforms.  In order to document the need for
the prohibition, the City commissioned a $30,000 study with the UCLA
Environmental Science and Engineering Program.  Not surprisingly, the UCLA
study indicated that banning all such activity would "prove difficult in
practice" and after studying a number of alternatives that all appear to
include bans on recreational fishing, suggested that the refuge needed to
be scaled down dramatically if it were to be possible at all.  The reduced
areas would include Point Dume and Westward State Beaches as well as the
pocket beaches from El Matador State Beach to Nicholas Canyon State Beach.
The extent under protection would also have to be cut back dramatically
>from  three miles seaward to just one mile.

It is my firm belief that both of these two alternatives are unfeasible
and unfair.  I am not unbiased in regards to this issue.  I, as do many
Californians, engage in recreational fishing.  Like many of those in the
L.A. area, one of my favorite places to surf fish is right along the
Malibu coastline, especially at the state beaches where access is
unfettered.  Obviously, the original proposal of 90 square miles of a ban
on recreational fishing is unworkable unless we want to send a Sheriff's
Officer across miles of open waters in hot pursuit of anyone with a
fishing pole in their hand.  It seems to me that we have much better tasks
for our already overworked law enforcement agencies.  The next question is
whether a ban on recreational fishing is even needed.  No one on the
Council seems to even want to consider the issue, assuming already that
recreational fishing must be a "bad thing" for some sort of reason.  This
does not seem to be the case.  State agencies tasked with the ongoing job
of determining the proper levels of sport fishing takes have never
indicated that the Malibu area has a looming potential for depleting the
marine life through recreational angling.  Indeed, the real threat to sea
life in the immediate area around the city comes not from the occasional
kid with a cork bobber but from the dumping of land-based pollutants
(including residential septic tank overflow) into the waters, a critical
problem the refuge proposal doesn't even come close to addressing.
Nonetheless, the lack of any credible evidence that the fisheries are in
danger will be held out as proof by some who will cry out that a dark
conspiracy must exist between Wylie's Bait Shop and the Department of Fish
and Game to cover up the disaster lurking just ahead.

This is not the time and place to get into a debate over the ethics of
sport fishing.  For me, the answer is a simple one:  Only vegetarians are
100% correct.  If you do not eat meat of any kind, then you are in the
best and only position to argue that fishing is wrong.  Otherwise, shut
up.  Don't tell me that a recreational angler is committing some sort of
sin against nature while you sit down to your fresh Chilean seabass in a
jalapeno glaze at Saddle Peak Lodge.  Moreover, don't tell me that there
is something uniquely wrong about fishing in Malibu while at the same kind
you enjoy New Zealand roughy, Louisiana gulf shrimp, Mexican swordfish,
Alaskan king crab, Maine lobster, etc. etc.  Why is it OK to go to other
countries and states and take the marine life from their seas for your
dining table but you shudder at the thought of it being done locally?  Is
it because your delicate sensibilities would be offended?  Is Malibu in
some sort of sacred zip code where such things are simply not in tune with
the cosmic oneness?  Get real!

Some would say that the UCLA report's recommendation of scuttling the
27-mile proposal in favor of a ban on recreational fishing at only the
state beaches is a good compromise.  Nonsense.  If anything, it is more
unfair to the average citizen.  Cutting off the state beaches from surf
angling will do little to protect the environment and much to tell the
less-than-affluent that their kind is simply not wanted here.  Where would
the Council intend that recreational anglers go to throw a line in the
water?  On the adjacent private beaches?  You think those home owners will
stand for it?  You think the rules for public access mean anything at all
to those who jealously guard their little beach frontage as if it was
under siege by the Huns?  Try walking down Broad Beach some time with a
fishing pole in your hand.  First, you be soon surrounded by guards on
ATVs who prod you along from standing in one spot for very long.  When you
point out that the public has a right to enjoy the beach seaward from the
mean high tide line, they'll point out their interpretation of the line,
somewhere Japan-ward of the white water (oh yes, they have a "survey
marker" which if it wasn't placed by means of outright fraud must have
been assessed sometime during the last Ice Age).  I've learned to ignore
these misguided minions and indeed, they eventually slink away.  But do
others who are visiting the coast for the first time?  No, they wind up
packing their picnic baskets and fishing gear and go home.  If they can't
use the state beaches for fishing, and the private owners won't let them
use their beach front, what is left?  Sorry, not all of us can jet to
Alaska just to soak some bait.

Most disturbingly, I'm worried that the ban on the recreational angler
might well be aimed towards certain segments of our population.  Next time
you're at the beach, take an informal survey of the cultural makeup of the
average fisherman or woman.  This is a sport that has made great inroads
into the Hispanic and Asian communities and for good reason: it provides a
wonderful environment to take the whole family out for the day.  Ban
recreational fishing from along the Malibu coastline and you effectively
tell these people that they are not wanted here.  In fact, it may be
shocking news to some in Malibu that there are many Californians who depend
on sport fishing to supplement their dinner table.  Yeah, I suppose they
could just as easily fish back home by the Hyperion sewage treatment plant
or the Pico Avenue storm drain outfall.  Perhaps Malibu's delicate
sensibilities would be protected better if "those" people simply stayed
home (unless they are here to work).

Given that the most likely refuge area has been whittled down to the state
beaches and extending but a mile out, what would it really protect?  Oil
drilling?  Does anyone honestly think that there are huge fields of
untapped reserves just beyond the surf zone somehow overlooked all these
years by incompetent geologists?  If there was any commercial potential at
all, we'd already be blessed with oil rigs aplenty.  Moreover, what would
a one mile ban really do to prevent the problems associated with off-shore
drilling?  You think that a spillage would stop at the 5280 foot marker
>from  the beach?  How about minerals deposit extraction?  Seen any open-pit
copper mines along PCH recently?  This simply isn't a problem in this
area.  Commercial fishing?  Yes, we've got squid boats at night a few
times a year but their catch seems to be well regulated and highly
specific.  The gill netters were the big drain on the biomass but they're
gone now (bought out by revenues raised from sport fishing licenses!).
Toss out the oil drillers, the miners, and the commercial boats, what do
you have left for the proposal to save?  The law simply would not
meaningfully effect any current user of the local waters except for one
group: the biggest impact of the sanctuary would be placed directly on the
shoulders of the recreational angler, not Chevron, not U.S. Coal, not
Star-Kist.

The marine sanctuary issue is one best left in the hands of the experts,
not a bunch of local amateurs angling for re-election.  If the state had
found that there were sufficient reasons to ban recreational fishing in
the Malibu area, they would have done so already (they certainly have done
so in other areas of the state where the fishing pressure needed to be
reduced).  If they need to be prodded into doing a professional and
all-encompassing assessment of the situation, by all means push them to do
so.  Malibu is certainly not without influence in Sacramento.  But is this
the sort of responsibility that the City needs make its top priority?
Especially one in as dire financial straits as ours?  This is not a zero
dollar "feel-good" item and the costs to the city to manage the program
have not even been assessed.  Hell, we can't even afford to pay to open
Kanan-Dume road and here the Council is dropping tens of thousands of
dollars on marine refuge studies to support their quixotic dream of a
Malibu coastline closed to all except those residents who can afford to
live on the beach.

I hope you'll join me in opposing the marine sanctuary proposal as
currently envisioned.


Sincerely,


Nicholas M. Pace


From greg@pub1.tln.lib.mi.us Tue Dec 17 13:34:47 EST 1996
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Anyone who uses personal e-mail addresses to advertise fly-by-night
schemes should be tracked down and whomever live in their area should
drive past their home with a bullhorn identifying them (to their neighbors
as swindling ponzis).  I hope we never meet.!! 
Are you an AMWAY Revrund Rauch ?






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From kuari@tcac.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:49 EST 1996
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> > >In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes:
> > >>TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE. 
> > >Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!
> > Something like this doesn't deserve a comment.
> > no comment
> the cost of food no... internet access yes... hmmmm
have you ever thought of the fact that he may not have to pay for access ie
work 
now I presonally think it is scam as well.  I remember smothing simular
about 5 years ago I think it was on fidonet

Have a heart but keep your wallet in your pocket and help those you can
see.  Not with money but with hard work compassion and passion.  That is
one of the foundation which we should encourage.  Remember a handout is not
a helping hand.

John Lammers
<kuari@tcac.com>



From hoehnt@mail.state.fl.us Tue Dec 17 13:34:50 EST 1996
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From: Ted Hoehn <hoehnt@mail.state.fl.us>
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Subject: Re: endangered fish
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 09:32:50 -0500
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jeef@aol.com wrote:
> 
> We are looking for a list from each State of STATE listed threatened and
> endangered fishes. Does anyone have one, or know where one can be found?
> Thanks. jeff Schaeffer U. of Tampa Jeff- the US Fish and Wildlife Service has the "Red Book" which 
contains a description of listed species and thier state listings.  
Check with each regional office of the USFWS.  The Southeastern Regional 
UWFWS office is in Atlanta.


From biodiver@auracom.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:52 EST 1996
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From: Lawrence Taylor <biodiver@auracom.com>
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Subject: Fish Anesthesia
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Is there a standard fomulation for administration of MS-222 for fish by:
weight, tank volume, salt versus freshwater, etc. Would appreciate some
literature starting points. Many thanks in advance.

Lawrence
biodiver@auracom.com


From janczek@aol.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:53 EST 1996
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From: janczek@aol.com
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Subject: MEASURING FISH AND ALGAE RESPIRATION
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O2/CO2 Respirometer measures respiration of bacteria, algae or fish

New respirometer is intended  to measure respiration of alga,fungi, 
bacterial response to antybiotics and toxins, respiration of soil, water
plants,   etc. 
Up to 80 sample chambers ( variety of sizes)  can be connected to 
  Respirometer which is equipped with O2 and CO2, analyzers 
.Optional CH4 and H2S, H2 are also avilable.  Sample 
chambers can be refreshed from the compress gas bottles or 
>from  the programmable gas blender. 
Respirometer is capable to measure head space gas 
exchanges on 24h basis. Multiple experiments of different 
length can be conducted in the same time using liquid or 
solid samples.
Due to the exceptionally high sensitivity 0.2 uL of gas /h, 
 Respirometer can monitor very small changes in the bacterial culture
respiration.  
It can also be used for testing biodegradation of plastics, hydrocarbons, 
explosives, creozote as well as respiration of insects, aquatic plants and
fish.
If you need more information and application notes please 
send your street address to:
Jan Czekajewski, Ph.D.
e-mail:janczek@aol.com


From pfox@lehman.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:54 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS
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Bruce Gonzalez wrote:
> 
> In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes:
> >
> >TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
> TRYING TO
> >MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
> THIS
> >YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
> JUST LIKE
> >TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
> EXTRA
> >MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> >APPRECIATED.
> >
> Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!


How can you be so heartless? :-) Here Mrs. Nowhere.com, I am so
incredibly stupid I would like you to have the contents of my wallet.
Here ... take the food from outta my mouth...

I am weeping buckets for you .... :-)

_______________________________________________________
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From seifert@cdsusa.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:55 EST 1996
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From: Konstanze Seifert <seifert@cdsusa.com>
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Subject: Norwegian Herring
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 15:47:53 -0500
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Hi!
I am currently investigating changes in fish catches. I have found some
interesting articles on the Norwegian spring spawning herring but I have
two problems,
1. I do not have a source of up to date catch data;
2. I am not sure of the scientific name of this species ( is it Clupea
harengus?).

If someone could give me the scientific name of these fish I would
greatly appreciate it, if someone could also give me a source of catch
data I would be even happier!!

I look forward to your responses and thank you for your help. If you
could please email me at seifert@cdsusa.com.

Best Regards,
Konstanze Seifert


From service@lazarlab.com Tue Dec 17 13:34:57 EST 1996
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A low cost data acquisition system is available which plugs directly into 
the serial port of your PC to measure such parameters as temperature, pH, 
pressure, strain, level, flow rate, light intensity, and viscosity.  Unit 
has 8 independent channels for simultaneous monitoring and recording.  
Data can be displayed in either tabular or graphic format.  Monitor comes 
complete with software program for DOS or Windows.  For further details 
contact Lazar Research Labs., Inc. at service@lazarlab.com or by fax at 
1-213-931-1434 or in the U.S. at 1-800-824-2066. Or see the Lazar web 
site at http://www.lazarlab.com



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Dean Yoder
dyoder@bora.dacom.co.kr

> jed@nowhere.com wrote:
> > 
> > TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
TRYING TO
> > MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
THIS
> > YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD JUST
LIKE
> > TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
EXTRA
> > MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> > APPRECIATED.
> > 
> > THANK YOU
> > 
> > MRS. PARKISON
> > 3105 S. 68TH CRT
> > OMAHA, NE.  68106
> 

Try selling your computer!  You may get enough for next christmas as well!


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Subject: FREE booklet on measuring pH, ions, oxygen in very SMALL SAMPLES
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A free booklet is available which describes techniques for measuring pH, 
ions, and dissolved oxygen in very small samples down to 20 microliters. 
Sample vessels which can be routinely measured included 96 well plates, 
microcentrifuge tubes, NMR tubes, serum cups, and capillary tubes.  Ions 
which can be measured include chloride, sodium, potassium, and cyanide. 
All probes require only a pH meter for measurement.  For further details 
contact Lazar Research Labs. Inc. at service@lazarlab.com or see the 
Lazar web site at http://www.lazarlab.com 



From janczek@aol.com Tue Dec 17 13:35:00 EST 1996
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You can measure fish, algae, bacteria respiration with our respirometer:

Universal O2/CO2 Respirometer

New respirometer is intended for testing and modeling in the laboratory
gas exchanges during aerobic or anaerobic biodegradation/bioremediation.It

can also be used to measure respiration of alga,fungi, 
bacterial response to antybiotics and toxins, respiration of soil  etc. 
Up to 80 sample chambers ( variety of sizes)  can be connected to
Micro-Oxymax  
Respirometer which is equipped with O2 and CO2, analyzers 
.Optional CH4 and H2S, H2 are also avilable.  Sample 
chambers can be refreshed from the compress gas bottles or 
>from  the Columbus Instruments programmable gas blender. 
Respirometer is capable to measure head space gas 
exchanges on 24h basis. Multiple experiments of different 
length can be conducted in the same time using liquid or 
solid samples.
Due to the exceptionally high sensitivity 0.2 uL of gas /h, 
Bioremediation Respirometer can monitor very slow  
biodegradation processes of plastics, hydrocarbons, 
explosives, creozote as well as respiration of insects, aquatic plants and
fish.
If you need more information and application notes please 
send your street address to:
Jan Czekajewski, Ph.D.
e-mail:janczek


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Paul David Fox wrote:
> 
> Bruce Gonzalez wrote:
> >
> > In <588efv$etv@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> jed@nowhere.com writes:
> > >
> > >TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A HEART OUT THERE.  WE ARE A STRUGGLING FAMILY
> > TRYING TO
> > >MAKE ENDS MEET.  WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS
> > THIS
> > >YEAR.  WE ARE NOT ON STATE-AID OR ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. WE WOULD
> > JUST LIKE
> > >TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND US SOME
> > EXTRA
> > >MONEY TO HELP US OUT.  IF YOU COULD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY NEEDED AND
> > >APPRECIATED.
> > >
> > Hark, do I smell a RIPOFF!
> 
> How can you be so heartless? :-) Here Mrs. Nowhere.com, I am so
> incredibly stupid I would like you to have the contents of my wallet.
> Here ... take the food from outta my mouth...
> 
> I am weeping buckets for you .... :-)
> 
> _______________________________________________________
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> ** I do not speak for Lehmans. Everything I say is my own stupid fault.
> **sell your computer, stop spending money on the net, you should spend a 
pretty good xmax


From bwingate@deltanet.com Tue Dec 17 13:35:02 EST 1996
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Get the hell off this group and go back to pan handling or whatever the
hell you do.



From amorin@uottawa.ca Tue Dec 17 13:35:04 EST 1996
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From: Antoine Morin <amorin@uottawa.ca>
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Subject: BIODIDAC: an image repository to teach biology
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http://biodidac.bio.uottawa.ca

Is the home site for the BIODIDAC image collection. All material is 
freely available for teaching, non-profit purposes. 

Currently it contains: 

* material that roughly covers an introduction to zoology at the 
  undergraduate level. 

* Plant material has started to appear and is now regularily added.



More information below, and at the web site.


Le projet BIODIDAC                     The BIODIDAC project
 
 
 Finance par Patrimoine Canada par      Funded by Heritage Canada,
 l'entremise du Regroupement des        through the Regroupement
 universites de la francophonie hors-   des universites de la francophonie
 Quebec, le projet vise a produire du   hors-Quebec, the project aims at
 materiel numerique pour                producing digital material to
 l'enseignement de la biologie en       support the teaching of biology in
 francais.                              french.

 Ce materiel, pour l'instant des        This material, either digitised
 diagrammes et photographies            line drawings or photographs with
 interpretees et numerises, est mis a   labels and descriptions, is made
 la disposition des interesses. Il      available to all interested
 peut etre copie, modifie, integre      parties for copying and use in
 dans des notes de cours ou du          lecture notes, class presentations
 materiel multimedia a la condition     or development of multimedia
 que ce soit a des fins educatives et   material, as long as it is for
 non-commerciales. BIODIDAC possede     teaching purposes and that there
 les droits a ce materiel (ou a obtenu  is  no profit involved. The key
 des detenteurs des droits la           point is that BIODIDAC owns all
 permission de reproduire, modifier,    rights to the material (or has
 et distribuer)et permet son            obtained from the owner permission
 utilisation et sa distribution a des   to reproduce, modify, and
 fins educatives.                       distribute) and allow duplication
                                        and use for teaching.
 
 
 Le materiel verse a BIODIDAC est       Although the material placed in
 developpe en francais sur un           the database is developped in
 microordinateur MSDOS. cependant le    french on an MSDOS machine, the
 format choisi permet l'utilisation a   digital format will allow
 partir d'autres types d'ordinateurs.   conversion and translation to
                                        other languages. The material is
                                        usable on both MAC and MSDOS
                                        platforms.
 
                                        

 STRUCTURE ET CONTENU DE LA BANQUE      STRUCTURE AND CONTENTS OF IMAGE BANK
 
 Au 8 janvier 1996, plus de 2200        As of Jan 8th, 1996, more
 elements ont ete verses a la banque    than 2200 elements have been posted
 et son accessible par le serveur ftp.  to the biodidac server. These
 ces elements peuvent etre regroupes    element fall in 4 categories:
 en 4 categories: des diagrammes noir   black and white line drawings,
 et blanc, des diagrammes couleur, des  coloured drawings, color photos,
 photographies, et des diagrammes et    and annotated photos and diagrams.
 photos annotes.
 
 Les diagrammes noir et blanc           Black and white diagrams are in
 respectent le standard GIF89a. Chaque  GIF files. Their size range from 5
 fichier occupe de 5 a 50k et contient  to 50k and their resolution is up
 des images ayant jusqu'a 1200x1200     to 1200x1200 pixels.
 pixels.                                Coloured diagrams use a maximum of
                                        16 colors from the standard
 Les diagrammes couleur sont aussi de   Microsoft Windows palette.
 format GIF89a et ne contiennets que
 16 couleurs de la palette standard de  Colour photos were digitized to
 Microsoft Windows.                     allow projection and have beed
                                        coulour reduced by optimizing a
 Les photographies ont ete numerisees   256 colour palette. They are also
 de maniere a permettre leur            in GIF files with resolutions of
 projection et contiennent jusqu'a 256  approximately 400x400 pixels.
 couleurs d'une palette optimisee.
 Elles sont dans des fichiers GIF       Interpreted and annotated diagrams
 egalement. leur resolution est de      and photos are Microsoft
 l'ordre de 400x400 pixels.             Powerpoint files. these are usable
                                        from both MSDOS and MacIntosh
 Les diagrammes et photos annotes       versions of PowerPoint. These
 respectent le format PPT de MicroSoft  files have been compressed using
 PowerPoint et peuvent etre utilises a  PKZIP to reduce disk space
 partir des versions Windows et         occupied and transfer times.
 MacIntosh de PowerPoint. les fichiers
 ont ete compresses et respectent le
 format PKZIP.
 

 Contactez Antoine Morin                Contact Antoine Morin
 (amorin@aix1.uottawa.ca) si vous       (amorin@aix1.uottawa.ca) for
 desirez des details supplementaires.   details.





From s.walker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk Tue Dec 17 13:35:05 EST 1996
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From: s.walker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Stephen Walker)
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Subject: Re: Freshwater lice on brown trout
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:22:47
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In article <58h89c$jk2@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley) writes:
>From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
>Subject: Re: Freshwater lice on brown trout
>Date: 9 Dec 1996 14:38:36 GMT

>In <MlMy$AAGQeqyEwDX@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> Philip M Jones
><pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> writes: 
>>
>>Can anyone provide any info on the louse, known as Argulus apparently,
>>which sometimes infests brown trout in freshwater?  What might cause
>an
>>increase in their numbers?  Effects?
>>
>I'm not sure about Argulus in cold water, but we get them on warmwater
>fish in our lakes.  They are not much of a problem in low numbers, but
>can get to be a problem, especially in aquaculture ponds or hobby
>ponds.  We use different insecticides to control them in ponds.  I'm
>sure this would not work well in a stream.  Do the fish seem to be
>severly hurt by them?

If I remember rightly, Argulus are suspected vectors for some fish viruses.

Steve






-- 
Steve Walker_________|s.walker@wpo.nerc.ac.uk| My opinion only.
>From  where I'm sitting, you lot don't all pass the Turing test.
Remove first '.' when replying by mail.


From mackieaquacultur@cp202004.tory.org.uk Tue Dec 17 13:35:06 EST 1996
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From: "james a. mackie" <Mackieaquacultur@cp202004.tory.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: shrimp farming and seed production
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:40:29 +0000
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In article <329B702E.6781@dial.pipex.com>, Mark Amechi
<xaf58@dial.pipex.com> writes
>I am looking for literature on shrimp farming and various hatchery 
>techniques.  If anyone knows a good mail order source of books or a 
>literature source which is accessible online, please inform me.  I'll be 
>most grateful.
>
>Thanks.
>
>
A good source of information is the Buyers Guide published annually by
the Aquaculture Magazine in the USA  telephone  704 254 7334.
Regards,
Jim Mackie,
James A Mackie (Agricultural) Scotland.
-- 
james a. mackie


From mackieaquacultur@cp202004.tory.org.uk Tue Dec 17 13:35:08 EST 1996
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Subject: Re: Freshwater lice on brown trout
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In article <ItEz9SAjQGryEwL8@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Philip M Jones
<pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In <MlMy$AAGQeqyEwDX@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> Philip M Jones
>><pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> writes: 
>>>
>>>Can anyone provide any info on the louse, known as Argulus apparently,
>>>which sometimes infests brown trout in freshwater?  What might cause
>>an
>>>increase in their numbers?  Effects?
>>>
>>>Mail to pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Phil Jones
>
>
>In article <58h89c$jk2@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, brett rowley
><brett3@ix.netcom.com> writes
>>
>>I'm not sure about Argulus in cold water, but we get them on warmwater
>>fish in our lakes.  They are not much of a problem in low numbers, but
>>can get to be a problem, especially in aquaculture ponds or hobby
>>ponds.  We use different insecticides to control them in ponds.  I'm
>>sure this would not work well in a stream.  Do the fish seem to be
>>severly hurt by them?
>>
>>Brett Rowley
>>Fisheries Biologist
>>Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
>>West Columbia, Texas
>
>
>Brett
>
>Thanks for your interest.
>
>Haven't seen them on my local river previously, but this September I
>caught a few fish (approx 11") that were heavily infested (couple of
>dozen lice each) and which were in very poor condition (thin and dark,
>instead of bursting with health after a summer on the feed).  Other
>anglers reported the same but not all fish were affected.  I've seen
>them on fish in other rivers in the past but then they were limited to a
>couple on each fish and there appeared to be no ill effects.
>
>I think you're right about use of insecticides in a stream / river being
>difficult.  Anyway, what effects would insecticide have on the insects
>which the trout feed on?  Presumably it would 'cide 'em - I don't think
>we want that!
>
>I can find very little about the little buggers in any of my books, so
>if anyone could draw my attention to something on the subject I'd be
>grateful.
>
FRESH WATER ARGULUS attack all fish species.      Spread is often  by
birds and anglers.   In trout fisheries they will jump host fish when
the fish is caught on a hook.    Normally they are only present in still
waters not fast running streams.    They have a life cycle that includes
an egg and free swiming stage.    Eggs attach to branches etc.   Removal
of all branches, grass stems etc will slow down egg settlement.    On
the other hand an old chinese method of treatment is to plasce straw
bales in the pond and remove them on a regular basis and burn them.
Pesticides have been used to treast them but they are often toxic to
fish and will kill all insect life in the water course  ( eg spillage of
pesticides from sheep dip tanks).   

Lice are a major problem in salmon farming and last year I came across a
site that had problems with a marine argulus on farmed summer flounder
in New Hampshire.     I have commercial experience of treating sea lice
on farmed salmon with "Salartect FLT " formulastion of hydrogen peroxide
>from  Brenntag UK Ltd, 45c High Street, Hampton Wick, Kingston-upon-
Thames, Surrey, UK. tel 0181 977 3200.

Dr Christine Sommervillie of Stirling University is a leading researcher
into fish parasites and it may be worth contacting her on 01786 473171.

I am currently undertaking studies into the use of hydrogen peroxide in
fresh water fisheries and would like to speak to anyone with this
problem who would like to carryout small trials.

Jim Mackie,
James A Mackie (Agricultural), 3 Braehead, Lornshill Park, Alloa,
Clackmannanshire. UK FK10 2EW  Tel  01259 215136   Fax 01259 211053 
-- 
james a. mackie


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From: "james a. mackie" <Mackieaquacultur@cp202004.tory.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: Freshwater fish that spawns in saltwater?
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In article <329d7a5e.142170865@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, cutedge@ihug.co.nz
writes
>On Sat, 23 Nov 96 23:24:48 GMT, theusch@peoples.net (Lee H. Theusch)
>wrote:
>
>>Please help!  My daughter needs to know [for a school assignment] the name of 
>>a fresh water fish that spawns in salt water.  Please reply to 
>>theusch@peoples.net if you know.  Thanks
>>
>>Lee Theusch  theusch@peoples.net
>
>I think you'll find that the salmonidae family (salmon) spawn in the
>sea.

Salmon feed in the sea but spawn in fresh water!

What you are looking for is the eel which spawns in the Saragosa Sea.
-- 
james a. mackie


From Celtic Company Tue Dec 17 13:35:10 EST 1996
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I have recently been informed that (2) two of my company’s fishing vessels have 
qualified for the Fishing Capacity Reduction Initiative (FCRI). I am interested
in selling the vessels for a substantially discounted price. Either would make a
fine research vessel or could be used for education, training, humanitarian, 
safety or law enforcement purposes. If you have any interest in either or both 
of these vessels, please contact me at your earliest convenience to discuss price
and specifics. 

John P. Kelly, Celtic Company (207) 775-0936
Email alcs@gwi.net for copies of vessel surveys.


From shajahan@pobox.com Tue Dec 17 13:35:11 EST 1996
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We had set up a modern hatchery and farm for shrimp culture. A recent
Supreme court of India Ruling has banned all shrimp farms within
150mts from the sea because of pollution complaints. 
Could anybody suggest what we could produce in our hatchery inlieu of 
prawn seedlings ,since the demand for the same has come down due
to the ban and also since we have invested a substantial amount in the 
hatchery. In particular we are looking at growing different species of
fish in the hatchery itself. 

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From mkia1@flash.net Tue Dec 17 13:35:13 EST 1996
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sinamurye@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I will  appreciate an answer to the following trivia question that my
> child asked me recently.
> 
> The question is:
> 
> How many hearts does an octopus have?


Octopi, squids, and cuttlefishes have three hearts---one for the
systemic, 
or body circulation, and one for each of the two banks of gills.  They 
are probably unique among invertebrates---and downright incredible for 
Molluscs---in having a fully closed circulatory system comparable to 
that of Vertebrates.  They also have much higher circulatory pressures 
than other invertebrates because of superior circulatory efficiency.  


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From 100252.3452@CompuServe.COM Tue Dec 17 13:35:16 EST 1996
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Could anyone please supply the e-mail address of L. Compagno at 
the South African Museum Capetown

With thanks

Brian Mackness
University of New South Wales


From shoman333@aol.com Tue Dec 17 13:35:17 EST 1996
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If I have been following correctly, we have:
Gobies [Paulau]
Eels
Birrimundi/Snook [Australia]
correct? A very fascinating thread!


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>In <MlMy$AAGQeqyEwDX@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> Philip M Jones
><pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> writes: 
>>
>>Can anyone provide any info on the louse, known as Argulus apparently,
>>which sometimes infests brown trout in freshwater?  What might cause
>an
>>increase in their numbers?  Effects?
>>
>>Mail to pmj@ynystawe.demon.co.uk would be appreciated.
>>
>>-- 
>>Phil Jones


In article <58h89c$jk2@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, brett rowley
<brett3@ix.netcom.com> writes
>
>I'm not sure about Argulus in cold water, but we get them on warmwater
>fish in our lakes.  They are not much of a problem in low numbers, but
>can get to be a problem, especially in aquaculture ponds or hobby
>ponds.  We use different insecticides to control them in ponds.  I'm
>sure this would not work well in a stream.  Do the fish seem to be
>severly hurt by them?
>
>Brett Rowley
>Fisheries Biologist
>Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
>West Columbia, Texas


Brett

Thanks for your interest.

Haven't seen them on my local river previously, but this September I
caught a few fish (approx 11") that were heavily infested (couple of
dozen lice each) and which were in very poor condition (thin and dark,
instead of bursting with health after a summer on the feed).  Other
anglers reported the same but not all fish were affected.  I've seen
them on fish in other rivers in the past but then they were limited to a
couple on each fish and there appeared to be no ill effects.

I think you're right about use of insecticides in a stream / river being
difficult.  Anyway, what effects would insecticide have on the insects
which the trout feed on?  Presumably it would 'cide 'em - I don't think
we want that!

I can find very little about the little buggers in any of my books, so
if anyone could draw my attention to something on the subject I'd be
grateful.

-- 
Phil Jones
Swansea, South Wales, UK

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mattam wrote:
> 
> The guy may be a scammer (and a spammer, for that matter) but you must
> admit, he started a good thread here. I want so bad to write in and tell
> everybody that they're just a bunch of scrooges, but I'm sure my sarcasm
> will go over the head of anyone who replies. The only people who will catch
> my sarcasm would be the ones who don't respond to it.

The whole thing reeks of rip-off, but stranger things have happened. Who
knows, maybe the guy met a guy who let him post the plea.  Then again,
since I can't meet him and verify his/their situation my money stays in
my pocket.  I like to keep a little hope that not everyone asking for
help is a thieving bastard preying on good hearts.


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Whirling disease has shown up in Oregon?

Where?

Dave DeLacey
Corvallis, Or.


From pohl@earthlink.net Tue Dec 17 13:35:24 EST 1996
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Hi, i'm considering going to school to study biology. i would like to know
    if there presently are jobs in this field and what is predicted for      
    years to come. does anyone know of a web site that would be helpful?
    also, if there are jobs what area are they in?
    thanks!  
           mark - please email me with responce to pohl@earthlink.net


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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley)
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In <32B6327E.2126@earthlink.net> pohl@earthlink.net writes: 
>
>Hi, i'm considering going to school to study biology. i would like to know
>    if there presently are jobs in this field and what is predicted for   
  
>    years to come. does anyone know of a web site that would be helpful?
>    also, if there are jobs what area are they in?
>    thanks!  
>           mark - please email me with responce to pohl@earthlink.net


Hey Mark,

Biology jobs are a little more difficult to come by than "real" jobs.  My
biologist friends and I are always kidding around about getting a real job,
somehow, we never quite manage to get a round to it.  

I am a fish culturist, as are many of my biologist friends.  Many more work
in labs and in the field.  A few of them make really good money, most get
by.  

I wouldn't go back and change, even though my engineer friends, doctor
friends, and high school grad friends mostly make more money than I do. 
Most of them don't like thier jobs, I love mine.  My office is as big as
all outdoors.  The sunrise is all mine, as is the sunset.  Somehow, I
manage to spend some time with my family as my schedule is not set in
stone, rather with the seasons, and daily weather.  I shuffle my fair share
of papers, and then some, but I shuffle more fish than papers.  I feel the
challenge of each day as an opportunity to learn more about the intracacies
and vagaries of life.  

I might not have lots of money, but I got a Ford pickup with a radio and a
shotgun.  I have lakes and ponds full of fish, none are really mine, but
all of them are mine, a whole county full.  When I go fishing, I get a
bigger thrill out of catching something unusual in my castnet, or on my
line than the next guy gets from a big redfish.  When the discussion in a
group turns to things of life, I become the one that everybody looks to for
the answer, respect of my friends in the community is almost better than
cash.  

I would encourage any young person that is dedicated and enthusiastic
to pursue a career in life science.  It will be a rocky path for sure,
but rewarding in more ways than can be counted.  The biggest reward of
all is the continued search for and finding of new knowledge.  A day
does not go by where I don't learn something new and exciting about the
world in which we live.  

I guess then the answer is, yes, there are jobs for biologists.  IMHO,
pursuing a career in biology is as noble and rewarding as any other. 
Do it, and have a full and rewarding life.  Best of luck,

Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas

http://waterscapes.com


From arthures@access1.digex.net Tue Dec 17 13:35:27 EST 1996
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On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 pohl@earthlink.net wrote:

> Hi, i'm considering going to school to study biology. i would like to know
>     if there presently are jobs in this field and what is predicted for      
>     years to come. does anyone know of a web site that would be helpful?
>     also, if there are jobs what area are they in?
>     thanks!  
>            mark - please email me with responce to pohl@earthlink.net
> 
> 

I have written a series of essays about this AND have collected a number
of website URLs relating to jobs in science. See below. You did not say
what kind of school you are aiming for and what school(s) you have been
to. You are wise to ask now if there are any jobs in this field before you
begin studies. Its also wise to start asking where you might look for
listings of openings. So, you if you want to look on the web, then see
below. Many of those websites will include links to still others that are
not on my list. After you have taken a few days to sample the information
on these sites, you may have a better idea of what lays ahead of you. Then
you can come back to the newsgroup <sci.research.careers> (or others if
you so wish) and ask for further details from those who hang out here on a
regular basis.

Art Sowers 

________________________________________________________________________
  rev Dec 1,1996   "Contemporary Problems in Sci Jobs" (=CPSJ) essays: 
  a 2nd Edition of CPSJ is available by e-mail from the author, 
  <arthures@access.digex.net> or at any of the following web sites with
  conditional unrestricted royalty-free reproduction rights. Earlier 
  versions of the "Contemporary Problems in Science Jobs" essays may be
  found at:   
  http://www.mbb.yale.edu/acb/                                          
  http://chemistry.com/ (dig around)                                    
  http://his.com/~graeme/cpsj.html    and ***/cpsj2.html                
  http://www.access.digex.net/~arthures/homepage.htm     (my WWW site)  
  cited at: http://www.netcom.com/~stanton/biojobs.html
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        "          "     /     "     /  "  / "  /appendixc.html         
  Goodstein Report: http://www.caltech.edu/~goodstein                   
  Nasty politics:  http://his.com/~graeme/pandp.html                    
  Another analysis of the poor job market and its causes:        
  http://www.mit.edu:8001/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/e/r/erw/Public/Pandora.html
 "The Scientist"- newspaper about scientist careers:                   
      http://www.the-scientist.library.upenn.edu                       
      gopher://ds.internic.net/11/pub/the-scientist (txt, partials)    
 AAAS (the situation of postdocs):                                     
      http://www.edoc.com/nextwave/forums_postdoc/                     
 AAUP Listserver: majordomo@igc.apc.org - leave sub=blank  -           
      put in text of message:  subscribe aaup-general                  
 AAUP email address: aaup@igc.apc.org                                  
 Other scientist employment resource info can be found at:             
      http://his.com/~graeme/employ.html (best I've seen yet)           
      http://saa49.ucsf.edu/psa/                                       
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| From Wall St. Journal (Sept 20,1996, p.B1) article on Net job hunting |
| America's Job Bank:    www.ajd.dni.us                                 |
| CareerPath:            www.careerpath.com                             |
| Online Career Center:  www.occ.com                                    |
| CareerMosaic:          www.careermosaic.com                           |
| Help Wanted USA:       iccweb.com     (not a typo)                    |
| Monster Board:         www.monster.com                                |
| E-Span:                www.espan.com                                  |
| Career Magazine:       www.careermag.com                              |
| Career City:           www.careercity.com                             |
| NationJob Net:         www.nationjob.com                              |
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| (revised Nov 23, 1996) OTHER RELATED Website URIs:                    |
| NES (very mild)        pegasus.uthct.edu/nes.html                     |
| Top Job                www.topjobusa.com                              |
| Fisk Book              www.agu.org/careerguide  (go for links)        |
| Career CD-ROM          www.careertoolbox.com    (sponsor: ChavisRegal)|
| KellyScientific        www.kellyservices.com                          |
| Space Jobs             www.spacejobs.com                              |
| Chemistry Jobs         chemistry.mond.org/jobs/jobguide.html          |
| Chem & Industry        ci.mond.org                                    |
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From davej@sedona.net Tue Dec 17 13:35:28 EST 1996
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From: davej@sedona.net (Dave Jensen)
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In article <59668u$etu@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>,
brett3@ix.netcom.com(brett rowley) wrote:

>I would encourage any young person that is dedicated and enthusiastic
>to pursue a career in life science.  It will be a rocky path for sure,
>but rewarding in more ways than can be counted.  The biggest reward of
>all is the continued search for and finding of new knowledge.  A day
>does not go by where I don't learn something new and exciting about the
>world in which we live.  
>
>I guess then the answer is, yes, there are jobs for biologists.  IMHO,
>pursuing a career in biology is as noble and rewarding as any other. 
>Do it, and have a full and rewarding life.  Best of luck,
>
>Brett Rowley
>Fisheries Biologist
>Great Lakes Sportfishing Resort and Koi Breeding Farm
>West Columbia, Texas
>
>http://waterscapes.com



Hi Brett


Thanks for this post. It was genuine and filled with a perspective that
gets lost in all the discussion about up-or-down job markets.

regards


Dave Jensen
http://www.bio.com/hr/search/search_1.html


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From snowmd@anatomy.su.oz.au Tue Dec 17 13:35:30 EST 1996
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Does anyone have the mailing address for Austasia magazine?  (The
fishery journal for Asia and Australia).  I would like to subscribe. 
Thanks


