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From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel)
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In article <950708133030294@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes:


>Hello All,

>   This network news group stuff is really getting confusing. If anyone
>has been able to follow it please advise us all as how or what effects
>it will have on sci.agriculture.beekeeping.

>   It's not clear to me if it is being eliminated, combined, or staying
>the same. After reading this post several times it seems to have not
>been mentioned so I would guess it is staying the same, but want to be
>sure.

>   I can support adding more agricultural news groups, but this is too
>many at one shot, and very confusing to at least me.

Why, is it confusing?

>We are part of agriculture, but
>have alway's been been separate and I think that is good and we should
>keep it that way as far as news groups go.

And I heard from the individual that created this group that the farming
groups belonged in this hierarchy.  OK, we (that's the proponents and I) 
are proposing just that and now you have a problem with it.  Please decide
what it is you want.

And no it is not confusing, if you take the time to breakdown the groups 
being presented.  There will be three farming groups, they will be in 
sci.agriculture.*, under a hierarchy called livestock.  There will be
eight newsgroups added to rec.pets.* three of which will be under
rodents, and finally there will be ten newsgroups added to a newly 
created hirarchy called misc.wildlife.*, one of these will be opened
to include dolphins.  And finally there are two renames not previously
included.

What does this have to do with beekeeping?  Nothing, other than the livestock
groups coming into the neighbourhood and the proposed rename of the parent
group, sci.agriculture to sci.agriculture.misc

And no I'm not a news.group guru.

On last note:  None of this will happen if people don't vote for it.


From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:42 EDT 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
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P>From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel)
 >Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisati
 >s

P>In article <950708133030294@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachba
 >) writes:


P>And I heard from the individual that created this group that the farming
 >groups belonged in this hierarchy.  OK, we (that's the proponents and I)
 >are proposing just that and now you have a problem with it.  Please decide
 >what it is you want.

hELLO John,

  Sorry to pull on your chain. I got no problem, in fact it looks
better to me the more it is explained, but maybe I find it a little
hard to follow. If I understand what you have posted there will be NO
change to the beekeeping news group and that is what I was interested
in. I will vote for that, and adding the new news groups too.

  As for what I want, that would be to continue the beekeeping news group
with out a lot of off topic posts if possible.

                           ttul Andy-


From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:44 EDT 1995
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 No the newsgroup is staying the same: in fact hopefully more newsgroups
will go under the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, strengthening the alliance
of folks in agriculture may they be producers, enthusiasts or scientists.

All the wind being blown about the change was basically just that: hot air.

But, if someone ever decides to change this newsgroup or any other that you
like, it is your job to keep informed, and to vote. Net gurus have the
power to remove even the best laid plans, so keep alert:  even posting a
simple "what's all this garbage mean" post is okay--even encouraged.

Adam
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From E2Y1@UNB.CA Fri Jul 14 01:45:45 EDT 1995
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Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles?
I would like to try this, as my father in law has started
beekeeping as a hobby.

Thanks in advance.
-andrea.













From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:47 EDT 1995
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In article <3tlqad$5p7@grovel.iafrica.com>, Rod Ladwig <rodl@cat.co.za> wrote:
>I have also known of cases here in 
>africa that some beekeepers have had up to 5 queens in a hive. 
>
Interesting! How big were the hives--how were the boxes allocated to each
queen?

Adam
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From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:48 EDT 1995
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A>From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
 >Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisati
 >s

A> No the newsgroup is staying the same: in fact hopefully more newsgroups
 >will go under the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, strengthening the alliance
 >of folks in agriculture may they be producers, enthusiasts or scientists.

Thanks Adam,

   I like the idea of having more news groups and will subscribe to
them for my bbs users. The beekeepers are doing a good job on watching
the few agriculture groups and lists that are around now for questions
on bees and other topics they are interested in. I am sure that will
increase with more news groups if they are voted in.

                        ttul Andy-

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From marjorie@netcom.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:49 EDT 1995
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From: marjorie@netcom.com (Marjorie Rosen)
Subject: Re: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles
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Mrs. Andrea Gatto (E2Y1@UNB.CA) wrote:

: Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles?
: I would like to try this, as my father in law has started
: beekeeping as a hobby.

: Thanks in advance.
: -andrea.

You make beeswax candles the same way you make other candles. However, 
you do have to first melt the beeswax, let the sediment drop to the 
bottom, and then strain the remaining wax through something like an old 
T-Shirt to get the remaining stuff out of it. You will lose some wax in 
the process. You can then use pure beeswax (which is wonderful!) or you 
can cut it with pariffin. Check out local craft stores, etc. for books on 
candlemaking.

Good Luck!

Marjorie











From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:50 EDT 1995
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On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Andy Nachbaur wrote:

> 
> *Not all the mail I get on this subject has been anti beekeeper.<G>
> passed on with permission.
>                     ----------------------------------------
> From: jwagner@mindspring.com (Jim Wagner)
> To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com
> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 20:18:46 -0500
> Subject: Re. purple loostrife discussion
> 
> Dear Beefriend,
> 
> I am a brand new hobby beekeeper, only two hives started this spring.  So I

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  snipped for brevity  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

> Ask an enviornmentalist why a human couple can mate and raise a family in an
> eight by ten room but it takes three square miles for a spotted owl to do
> the same?


Easy answer.  The human couple draws upon the resources of most of the 
states of the US as well as countries of the world for food, shelter and 
clothing.  The owl only has 3 square miles and has to work around the people.


----
Chirps!

Sharon J. Collman                     OR      Sharon J. Collman
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From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:51 EDT 1995
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On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Mark Jensen wrote:

> In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates
> <R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> > There may be some substance
> > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyone?
> 
> Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell
> it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and
> the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. Mann Lake is
> trying to get approval, but there is no way to know if and when they will
> be successful. However, there is another source for para, janitorial
> suppliers sell para as hockey puck shaped blocks for use in urinals. Make
> sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are
> really bad news.
> 
> Mark Jensen              Double J Apiaries        mjensen@crl.com
> 
> 

According to discussions on entomo-l, paradichlorobenzene  (note the 
benzene) is nasty stuff and is being discontinued from use by museum 
workers.  Does this have a registration for wax moth?  Might their be a 
problem of contamination of honey?  If it kills waxmoth, and dermestids 
in museums, what does it do to bees?  I'm not familiar with this product 
for this us and am not a beekeeper, so I ask more to suggest caution and  
doublechecking before use.


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Sharon J. Collman                     OR      Sharon J. Collman
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From eifert@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:53 EDT 1995
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Thanks to all who responded with information regarding wintering a hive
for my uncle in North Carolina.  I'll compile the information and
forward it to him.  Who knows -- I may get the beekeeping bug (no pun
intended) and be back on line with some questions of my own!  Take
care.

-- Darrell


From marko@pulse.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:55 EDT 1995
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Marjorie Rosen (marjorie@netcom.com) quoth:
> Mrs. Andrea Gatto (E2Y1@UNB.CA) wrote:

> : Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles?
> : I would like to try this, as my father in law has started
> : beekeeping as a hobby.

> You make beeswax candles the same way you make other candles. However, 
> you do have to first melt the beeswax, let the sediment drop to the 
> bottom, and then strain the remaining wax through something like an old 
> T-Shirt to get the remaining stuff out of it. You will lose some wax in 
> the process. You can then use pure beeswax (which is wonderful!) or you 
> can cut it with pariffin. Check out local craft stores, etc. for books on 
> candlemaking.

I'll add one more bit of wisdom to this:  if you melt the wax in a
copper (or copper-alloy) container, it will turn green.  If you want
the candles to be the natural beeswax color, avoid copper.

--
      Mark C. Orton
      employed by (but not speaking for)
      Pulse Communications, Inc.


From mkeithr@neosoft.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:56 EDT 1995
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My mother has a problem hive residing in a Purple Martin house. She says they 
are Bumblebees. They are very aggressive and have made gardening/lawn mowing 
very hazardous. She has been stung once and my father twice. Any advice would 
be much appreciated. Incidentally, there are baby birds nesting in one of the 
other holes and they would like to not harm them if at all possible.

Thanks in advance.



From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:45:57 EDT 1995
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In article <3te0dc$49l@sun4.bham.ac.uk> altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) writes:
>
>It has been fairly well documented that bee keepers suffer less
>from arthritis than the general population. The treatment is 
>simply to get stung on a regular basis. Whether it can 
>'cure' arthritis or just delay its onset I don't know.

This is widely believed but I'd be very interested in the documentation
you refer to.  The person most seriously crippled with arthritis that I
know (now confined to a wheelchair) was a beekeeper for many years
before (and while) the disease developed.  Draw your own conclusions.

-- 
Malcolm Roe                                Phone  :  +44 1442 345104
Crosfield Electronics Ltd                  Fax    :  +44 1442 343000
Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK        E-mail :  roe@crosfield.co.uk 
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From dave@alkham.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:45:58 EDT 1995
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Try contacting the local beekeeping association if there is one as they will
often have members who are willing to come and remove the bees from you for
free in order to (re)populate a hive. This is the way I ended up getting my 
first swarm (which was healthy).

Swarms can cost as much as 100 ukp in the UK but these are kept (allegedly) in
hygenic conditions and monitored for sickness before being sold on later so 
don't get greedy and imagine that anybody will PAY to remove your swarm!

Good luck.
-- 
Dave


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A beekeeping colleague asked me to send this question.

Is there anyone with info and/or knowledge about Bee Paralysis disease,
or that can give me an idea on where to look for more information?

I suspect an outbreak of Paralysis among my bees. Adult bees die off
as soon as they start flying, some are found crawling near the hives 
with
trembling motions. Some have one or two legs paralysed, some have one 
wing
pointing in an odd direction.

There is no spraying, to my knowledge, going on in the area where I have 
the
bees. This affects 250 hives spread over an area of 20 km.

This is the second season I have this problems, last year not so severe 
as now.
Spring build up was normal in most hives, I got a box of honey on some 
in an
early flow on dandelions. Then all of a sudden bees started to 
disappear, only
young bees where left in the hives.

Even queenrearing is affected, emerging queens show similar symtoms, 
with often
paralysed and defect front legs.

I hope someone can help me with more information on how to diagnose and 
prevent
furter spread of the disease.

The bees are located in Sweden on Latitude 60'.

P-O Gustavsson

Thanks in advance
Margareta Berglund
redotec@algonet.se




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In article <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> William Mielke <75753.3556@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>I've got a problem that's getting worse lately bees ( I live in 
>Vancouver Canada ) and never run across so many.  I originally 
>found a nest ( at the foundation of a building add-on ) ...
>Is there some way to get the bees to move on or a 
>pesticide to use ( that can be bought in Canada ) that can rid me 
>of the problem before they get fully re-established.             

Are these honeybees or bumblebees?

In the former case, on a warm afternoon, I'd expect at least several
hundred bees to be flying around the entrance _at the same time_.
However, if they're bumblebees (large striped _furry_ bees), you should
rarely see more than one or two simultaneously.  Depending on which, I'd
answer your question completely differently.

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Test - please ignore


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Ok, sorry about the test; I've been having problems doing follow-up posts.

Assuming they *are* bumble bees, the general procedure is to expose the 
cavity within which they have established their colony and simply scoop 
out the globular, waxy peanut-like clusters comprising it.

Do this quickly - don't mess around.  Open the cavity locate the clusters
and dump them into a 5 gallon bucket with a little flyin insect killer
sprayed inside.  Work quickly and you will minimize the probability of
getting stung. 

  You will need a good veil, gloves and thick shirt(s).  Really, you
should use a good suit.  Normally, in removing these or vespids, you'd
want to spray a bit of flying insect killer in the cavity to knock out any
flyers.  But in this case you'll probably just have to do without.  If 
it's a small nest you'll be ok.  If it's big.... I don't know.  Maybe you 
could spray in some ammonia....  What exactly is the physical 
configuration of the box?  Bumblebees, despite their benign nature can 
really be mean when aroused.  Also intimidating.  When they bump your 
veil, you know it. 

For the record, I absolutely hate to kill bumblebees.  We usually try to 
talk the customer out of it if at all possible....  At this point, if 
it's absolutely necessary (i.e., they are either hiring us or doing it 
themsleves or hiring someone else - either of the latter may result in a 
botched job), we just do it and get it over with as quickly as possible. 



Dave


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Whups, forgot to post the alternative method.  Since you actually know 
erxactly where the nest is, and it is apparently in a defined, confined 
space, why not try something like liquid nitrogen or dry ice?


From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:09 EDT 1995
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dave (dave@alkham.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Try contacting the local beekeeping association if there is one as they will
: often have members who are willing to come and remove the bees from you for
: free in order to (re)populate a hive. This is the way I ended up getting my 
: first swarm (which was healthy).

Just be sure that they define the perimeter of the colony and remove the 
brood comb.  If they open it up from the inside, have them screen-off the 
interior opening.  Do not have them caulk up the outside entrance until 
the remains of the hive have been robbed out (about 6 days or so).  Then, 
make sure the repairers fill the cavity with fiberglass or some other 
insulation and also caulk up the exterior entrance.  Also, look for other 
openiongs in the structure (around eaves, etc.) and caulk those too.  
Spraying the exterior entrance just causes them to move around and find 
another entrance - perhaps through the living room light fixtures!

Dave

If this is unclear or you have questions, e-mail me or contact Anthony M. 
Buzas, Commercial Beekeepers at 215 483-4165.  (Ask for Tony)


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Thanks very much for the suggestions I got via email everyone, it 
appears we now have got the problem under control.               
Bill Mielke      

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From: "Moote, John M." <MOOTEJM@NP02.WYANDOTTE.BASF-CORP.COM>
Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:56:10 -0400
Subject:      Re: Dyes and Bees

After I posted to BEE-L about a new pesticide, I have had several
discussions with Jim De Quattro concerning a short summary appearing in
"Inside R & D".  Jim  works for the USDA.  To recap, the article was on a
new dye that is toxic to insects but not to mammals.  My comment was that
"they still don't get it" and that it did not appear that anyone was
concerned with "apis".  I found out two things... 1. The Internet is a much
larger forum than you might imagine and 2. I was probably 180 degrees off
target...  with permission, Jim's comments...
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

John,

     A colleague who subscribes to the list sent me a copy of your
message, since I've written about some aspects of the dye research.  You
correctly noted that Inside R&D's story about fruit fly-killing dyes
addressed the issues of whether the dyes were safe for mammals and
crops--but it ignored bees and beneficials.

     The dye blend mentioned in Inside R&D is SureDye--not a USDA
invention but an experimental product of PhotoDye, Inc., Linthicum, Md.
But, scientists at USDA's Agricultural Research Service have been
testing the dyes against fruit flies for about two years.  [The blend was
developed about 1982 by James Heitz. He is a chemist at Mississippi State
University, and president of PhotoDye. The dye is not a registered
insecticide.]

     Inside R&D chose--probably based on assessing what their own
audience would most likely want to know--not to address bees and
other beneficials.  But the researchers are.  Feel free to follow up
with them about the dye and beneficials. It won't be the first time
they've been asked!

     Against fruit flies, the dye--ASSUMING it passes muster with
researchers and regulatory agencies--MIGHT be used as an aerial spray,
or in bait stations.  According to the scientists, an insect has to
ingest the dye for it to be toxic.  This doesn't mean a bee could not
ingest it, but it apparently wouldn't act as a contact insecticide like
malathion.

     Can something that is imperfect--but better than (or not as
"bad" as) malathion--be an acceptable alternative?  Personally, I think
yes.  Could the dye become an acceptable alternative?  Maybe, but I
don't think enough evidence is in.  I think the researchers would
basically agree with that. Besides, acceptable to whom?

     To contact the ARS research teams: Robert Mangan, Crop Quality &
Fruit Insects Research unit, Weslaco, Texas, phone (510) 565-2647; Nick
Liquido, Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Research Laboratory, Hilo, Hawaii,
phone (808) 959-4300.

 --Jim De Quattro, Writer/editor
  Information Staff, USDA Agricultural Research Service
  Internet jdequatt@asrr.arsusda.gov
  Phone (301) 344-2756, Fax (301) 344-2311
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Assuming that we are talking about bumblebees here I would put in a
plea not to kill them.  It is rarely necessary.  If they really are a
nuisance because of the place that they have chosen to make a home, it
is possible to move the nest.  Here are some interesting pieces on
moving bumblebees - or even keeping them as pets - taken from the Bee-l
mailing list recently.

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Date:         Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:25:04 +0100
From:         Malcolm Roe <roe@CROSFIELD.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Bumble Bees

Michael Thigpen asks:
>
> I was informed by one of the tenants that bumble bees have "taken over"
> the garage there. When I checked this weekend, there were indeed quite a
> few buzzing around. I hate to disturb their activity, but the tenant is
> in a panic. Is there a way that I might "invite" them to shift their
> activity just a bit so that they'll not be near the tenants' vehicles?

For some years I used to be on a list of beekeepers held by my local
authority, who are responsible for pest removal in our area.  If someone
called them with a bee problem they'd get one of the beekeepers on the
list to go instead of their own staff.  In my experiece at least half
the call-outs were actually for bumble bees, not honey bees.

What I used to do was try to encourage the householder to leave them
alone.  It helps to know something about bumble bees and their behaviour.
Sometimes a little reassurance is all that's needed.  You soon know
whether that's going to work.  If not, I'd try to remove the bumble bees
alive.  This is often quite easy.  The nests are usually made in a ball
of insulating material.  I often used to to find them in bird boxes.
A bird had nested there one year.  The next year a bumble bee queen
established herself in the old nest.  Old mouse nests are another common
place.  My guess is that the bees are in a pile of old rubbish
somewhere in the garage.  If you're lucky the nest will be inside some
sort of container.  Wait until the evening when the bees have stopped
flying  and you can just gently remove the whole container after blocking
the entrance or putting it inside something like a sack.  Otherwise,
you'll have to lift out the nest enclosed in it's insulating matter and
put it in a box to remove.  In this case I'd wear gloves.  There's a lot
to be said for wearing a veil as well although bumble bees are much less
aggressive then honey bees.

Finally you can establish the nest somewhere else.  My favourite place
was under my shed, which is raised about 10cm above ground level.  I'd
just put the nest into something like a small cardboard box with a hole
cut for an entrance and push it under the shed.  Then I could watch "my"
bumble bees flying all summer!

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Date:         Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:04:51 GMT
From:         "Gordon L. Scott" <Gordon@APIS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Bumble Bees

Malcolm Roe writes:
> Michael Thigpen asks:
> >
> > I was informed by one of the tenants that bumble bees have "taken over"
> > the garage there. ....
>
> put it in a box to remove.  In this case I'd wear gloves.  There's a lot
> to be said for wearing a veil as well although bumble bees are much less
> aggressive then honey bees.

I agree with all Malcolm has said.  I too do  this  fairly  often.
Bumble  bees  often  make  a lot of noise considering how few bees
there are, but they don't *often* sting.  They do  sometimes  come
out of the nest is something of a noisy rush though.

I had occasion last year to take a nest  before  dusk  when  there
were  still a few bees out flying, so I invited the homeowner (who
by then was fascinated): "If you feel like it, put  any  straglers
into  a  ventilated jar and bring them to me -- I'll put them with
the rest as they *do* need their numbers." Over the next four days
he  brought  me  about 40 bees in a dozen jars, so it seems likely
that not all bumbles come home every night.

BTW, this was a big gorilla of a guy who spent an hour or so  each
of  those  nights,  sitting  by their ex-nest with a small fishing
net, just scooping them up. Definitely a softy at heart.

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Date:         Thu, 11 May 1995 16:57:35 -0700
From:         Ann Dougherty <anndough@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Bumble Bee Hive

       Does anyone know how to put together a Bumble Bee Hive?  A friend
has a nest of Red rumped Bumble Bees in his back yard in the ground.  I
recall reading a small hive can be built to house them. I'm mostly
interested in just observing them.  They sure are beautiful bees.  any
suggestions would be appreciated.

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Date:         Fri, 12 May 1995 13:23:00 -0700
From:         "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299"
              <KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Bumble Bee Hive

   There are professional ways to rear bumblebee colonies, but I tried a
   very simple method in a situation such as you describe, and it worked
   fine. A friend had a bumble bee nest in the rocks where his 2 and 4 year
   old had their sandbox, so the decision to moved the nest was made.

   I had a clear plastic package from the supermarket bakery: like a clam
   shell, about 6 x 4 x 4 inches. I stapled one side of the package in a
   sheltered spot just ouside a window, where we could watch. I stapled a
   piece of cloth, draping over the clear plastic for shade and insulation.
   I put a 3/4 inch hole in the box for an entrance.

   I used another plastic container to carry the nest. I had my bee veil
   and some rubber gloves. I moved some rocks and found the nest in an old
   mouse nest. I  picked it up and put it in the container, with the large
   queen and about 20 smaller bumblebees, and covered it with a cloth, then
   I waited for 20 or so other bees to return to the nest spot, where I
   picked them one at a time and popped them into another container.

   I took the whole works home, put them in the clear box on the post, and
   released the bees. Within a couple of hours they were foraging as if
   they had been there all along.
   When the kids wanted to see them, I'd lift up the cloth and we would
   watch them a while. In a few days they had built a cover over the
   cluster of cells, and we couldn't see much except the foragers.

   The colony did alright for maybe 6 weeks, until September. Then the
   activity decreased and when I last looked there were quite a few mites
   running around in the nest material, but no bees.

   It was nice while it lasted.

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Date:         Tue, 30 May 1995 11:05:14 -0500
From:         Jeff Fagerman <jafagerm@SCINGR.B17C.INGR.COM>
Subject:      How to move a bumblebee nests?

Hello everyone,

I have a bumblebee nest (in the ground alongside my children's sandbox)
that I would like to excavate and move.  I am not an expert in this, in
fact, this will be my first non-honeybee venture.  I am looking for advice
>from  those better informed before I undertake this task.  One point, I
would like to keep the bees for further observation and study.  Here's my
current plan for removal:

1.  Construct a small box (next) about 6 inches on a side with a small hole
    (about one-half an inch in diameter), paint it for water proofing, and
    put a removable lid on top for later replacement with glass (for
    observation).  Maybe put some grass or other stuffing in it to make it
    look like a mouse nest.

2.  Using a veil and a net, begin excavating the nest.  As bees enter and
    exit catch them with a net and put them in a bottle of sorts for
    temporary holding.  (I'm not quite sure how to move them from the net
    to the bottle.  Any suggestions?  Obviously this is a critical concern
    here, at least to me.)

3.  Upon reaching the nest, remove nest and place in box.

4.  Take nest and bees to a new site several miles away and place on
    ground.  Shake bees (quickly) from bottle into nest.  (Should I leave
    the nest sealed for a short period of time?  I probably won't.)

5.  Several weeks later, bring box back home and use as an observation hive.


Any information anyone can share with me will be greatly appreciated?

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Date:         Wed, 31 May 1995 08:31:07 -0500
From:         Jeff Fagerman <jafagerm@SCINGR.B17C.INGR.COM>
Subject:      Update on moving bumblebees

Just a quick update for those of you interested.  I posted a message
yesterday concerning moving a bumblebee nest and received a couple of very
helpful suggestions.

Well, last night I moved the nest and it was remarkably simple.  The most
amazing thing, in my opinion, was the non-aggressive behaviour of the bees.
(The hive size was just under twenty (20).)  The bees obviously didn't like
my presence or intrusion but neither did they attempt to sting me, even
when I was grabbing them and placing them in a container for transport.

It was a rather interesting evening.  Thanks to each of you who responded
to my initial message.

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Me, too. If there's a straw vote, I'll vote for Cindy's proposal
(for as many times as necessary 8-) 8-) 8-)

Regards,
Gail

in response to 

Veronika.Berglund@UDAC.se<3tit4o$kvt@caesar.udac.se> wrote:

> In article <tittleDBB7q6.4z1@netcom.com>, tittle@netcom.com says...
> >
> >Agriculture IMO encompasses animals rather than the other way around.
> >So:
> >                sci.agriculture.ratites
> >
> [A very good list of proposed groups deleted to save space]
> 
> >This way, you have three animal hierarchies, which accurrately reflect
> >their positions.  Pets are clearly recreational, so rec.pets.  Farming
> >animals NOT recreational, DO require quite a bit of study, etc, AND
> >sci.agriculture.beekeeping exists, so USE it, so sci.agriculture.  Finally,
> >wildlife animals have some recreational aspects, some scientific aspects,
> >so misc.wildlife.
> >
> 
> Perfect! Easy, simple and neat! 
> 
> I'm with you Cindy!
> 
> Veronika


From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:18 EDT 1995
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From: "Victor C. Rimkus" <vcrimku@sandia.gov>
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Subject: Requeening Advice Needed
Date: 11 Jul 1995 21:52:47 GMT
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I am preparing to requeen a dozen of my hives. In the past I've only attempted three at a time. 
What would be the most efficient method to tackle this endevor?

1) Assuming I will remove the old queen; How many days in advance should this be done?

2) Assuming they make new queen cells: Do these need to be removed?

3) The queens are shipped with attendants; Do these have to be released?

4) Should I place the queen cage in the top or bottom brood box?

5) What else do I need to know?

        Thanks,
        New Mexico Mountain Beekeeper,
                                        Victor



From i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:19 EDT 1995
Article: 2240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping
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Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED]
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Unicorn (unicorn@mack.rt66.com) wrote:
: (Apologies if this is a duplicate, it originally got in with the
: wrong subject header)

: Kathryn A. Smith (katsmith@vt.edu) wrote:
: : In article <3t242r$d4t@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu says...

: : >Trouble is, animals are multi-use.  

: : This is the EXACT reason we are proposing placing the animal related 
: : newsgroups into the misc.* hierarchy!!!  Thanks, Paul, for stating this 
: : as clearly as you did.

: But the other side of that same coin is that you're trying to take
: groups out of where they might fit best, say some in sci.agriculture and 
: some in rec.pets.* and put them all together just for the sake of
: having them all together.  *People* are multi-use, too, but on usenet
: the discussions about people and their activities have been put into
: different hierarchys, why shouldn't animals be the same?  Pets are
: recreational.  Some animals are agricultural.  
 A large number of people posting to this thread seem to be opposed
: to putting all the animal groups together.  (It seems to me that
: it's the majority, but I can't say for sure).    Would it be possible
: to conduct a straw poll before this gets any farther to to see how
: many people prefer putting some of the animal groups under 
: sci.agriculture how many people prefer pets staying under rec.pets.*?

: Sheri


	Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context.
I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the 
proposal, the proposed renaming up above.  This is the first CFV that I'm 
going to make sure to vote on.

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From ccoplan@infi.net Fri Jul 14 01:46:21 EDT 1995
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From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan)
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Subject: Re: Requeening Advice Needed
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:50:09 -0400
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In article <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov>, "Victor C. Rimkus"
<vcrimku@sandia.gov> wrote:

> 1) Assuming I will remove the old queen; How many days in advance should
this be done?


I believe I have read or heard somewhere 2 days in advance.

An additional question - how often should you requeen - annually,
biannually, or just when you notice the queen beecoming weak?

Chris Coplan
ccoplan@infi.net


From hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:23 EDT 1995
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From: hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler)
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In article <DBL01s.87o@serval.net.wsu.edu>,
Brian Mcewen <i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu> wrote:
>Unicorn (unicorn@mack.rt66.com) wrote:
>: (Apologies if this is a duplicate, it originally got in with the
>: wrong subject header)
>
>: Kathryn A. Smith (katsmith@vt.edu) wrote:
>: : In article <3t242r$d4t@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu says...
>
>: : >Trouble is, animals are multi-use.  
>
>: : This is the EXACT reason we are proposing placing the animal related 
>: : newsgroups into the misc.* hierarchy!!!  Thanks, Paul, for stating this 
>: : as clearly as you did.
>
>
>
>	Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context.
>I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the 
>proposal, the proposed renaming up above.  This is the first CFV that I'm 
>going to make sure to vote on.
>

Really.  It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this
group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it.  For no
reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something
else.  The net control freaks are upon us.    I think some of the .edu
people must have too much time on their hands.  Pretty interesting how
they use a political process to pull in lots of mail-list oriented groups
to get support built up.  You have to wonder how much traffic would
actually appear in some of the more specialized groups they wish to
create.  But by pulling in those limited special interests they can
pump up their yes vote #'s.

(my gas)
Dale


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From mallon@worldaccess.nl Fri Jul 14 01:46:24 EDT 1995
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From: mallon@worldaccess.nl (Niels Mallon)
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I have a problem with my bees,the problem is that they are very
agresive.
do i need a other queen,maybe a more quiet one,and how do i replace
the old queen with the new one,if nessesary.

If you know a sollution for this problem,i will gracefully receive it.

greetings Coby Mallon



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Dale Hubler (hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:

: Really.  It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this
: group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it.  For no
: reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something
: else.

I'm not sure who all this was directed at, but some of the people you
may assume aren't "active" in the groups may be lurkers.  I don't
very often post to the rec.pets.dogs.*  groups, but I've been a very 
"active lurker" for three years.  I don't post very often, but I've posted
a few times.  I also have written to people "behind the scenes" much more 
often than I've posted.  The people there, and the information there have
been quite valuable to me.  Especially when I was able to post and find
out some of the latest information on a very specialized liver
problem that my dog was having.  Now that I also have a cat, I also lurk
in the rec.pets.cats group.

Please don't assume that just because someone isn't a frequent poster in 
a group that they don't read it or make use of its resources...

Sheri


-- 
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       "Though the road seems never ending
        Hold on to the hope I'm sending through..." Brian May 1992



From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:26 EDT 1995
Article: 2245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping
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Subject: beeswax cremes
From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf)
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We have too much wax and are tired of making candles. Does anyone have
any ideas or recipes for cremes or polishes which could be made and
sold at the farm stand?


From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:27 EDT 1995
Article: 2246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: welcome to NE
From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf)
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Andy, I was on your BBS earlier this AM while you were still counting
bees, Great to have you back. This BBS is called AGRA-NET and is open to
the public. It has to be the BEST BBS that deals with AG issues. They
list most of the Northeast AG newsletters and now with the beekeepers
conference it is fantastic. Pass the word. the # is 508-529-0801.


From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:29 EDT 1995
Article: 2247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping
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Subject: propolis collection
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re. request for a summer of propolis collection
Some times a plain rubber door mat with a rough surface will work.
The bees will fill the holes or pock marks of the mat.
You remove, cool it a little then roll the mat until the propolis drops
out.


From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:30 EDT 1995
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re. request for a summer of propolis collection
Some times a plain rubber door mat with a rough surface will work.
The bees will fill the holes or pock marks of the mat.
You remove, cool it a little then roll the mat until the propolis drops
out.


From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:31 EDT 1995
Article: 2249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping
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Subject: beeswax cremes
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We have too much wax and are tired of making candles. Does anyone have
any ideas or recipes for cremes or polishes which could be made and
sold at the farm stand?


From altabios@bham.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:32 EDT 1995
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From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox)
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Subject: Re: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles
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In article <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, "Mrs. Andrea Gatto" <E2Y1@UNB.CA> says:
>
>Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles?
>I would like to try this, as my father in law has started
>beekeeping as a hobby.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>-andrea.
>
>

Don't get any great ideas about making huge candles, bees
are very frugal with their wax. In the UK there are one or two
companies who make moulds for candles. You do need proper wick,
string doesn't burn well. When you melt the wax, don't get it too
hot, wait till it just starts to set before you pour it into the
mould, it makes a better mould that way.

John Fox


From rgpiepul@ionet.net Fri Jul 14 01:46:34 EDT 1995
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Subject: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof"
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What is the best kind of caulk to use?  I have a colony of honey bees  
under the eaves of my house.  A local beekeeper placed a temporary hive 
and covered the main entrance with a screen funnel.  They "chewed" 
through the latex caulk sealing the joint between the eave and the wall. 
 He then applied some silicon caulk which seemed to do the trick.  
However I am told by another beekeeper that bees can get through this 
also.  Can anyone recommend a type of caulk to use that bees cannot eat 
through?

Thanks,

Rob Piepul, Tulsa Oklahoma 



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U >: Really.  It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this
U >: group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it.  For no
U >: reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something
U >: else.


U >Please don't assume that just because someone isn't a frequent poster in 
U >a group that they don't read it or make use of its resources...

U >Sheri


Quite right, Sheri...
I for one frequently comment on rec.pets.cats but hardly ever in 
INTERUSER group in Fidonet. Still having good time with both.
    
Hi from Finland
Andy
    
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From knapper@bga.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:37 EDT 1995
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From: knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker)
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McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due 
to location of a swarm of Africanized bees.

Cheers
Woody


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Rob Piepul (rgpiepul@ionet.net) wrote:
: What is the best kind of caulk to use?  I have a colony of honey bees  
: under the eaves of my house.  A local beekeeper placed a temporary hive 
: and covered the main entrance with a screen funnel.  They "chewed" 
: through the latex caulk sealing the joint between the eave and the wall. 
:  He then applied some silicon caulk which seemed to do the trick.  
: However I am told by another beekeeper that bees can get through this 
: also.  Can anyone recommend a type of caulk to use that bees cannot eat 
: through?

: Thanks,

: Rob Piepul, Tulsa Oklahoma 
Most caulks are advertised as remaining pliable to cover the expansion / 
contraction caused by temperature variations. I would suggest using a 
wood filler such as "plastic wood" or one by Elmers (glue people). 
Plastic wood has very coarse fibers and Elmers product is very fine. When 
it dries it is as hard as wood. I use it to repair damage to hive parts.

Jerry Worrell, worrell@CBL.UMD.EDU, Dunkirk Md. 


From dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:40 EDT 1995
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From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro)
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Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4
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EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, and 
all the kinds of beehives .  For information on registration call Kim Flottum, 
President, 1-800-289-7668.

See you there


From manette@primenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:41 EDT 1995
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From: manette@primenet.com (Greg O'Dell)
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I am new to beekeeping this year and started two hives in April.  I am 
interested in learning more about a technique called the horizontal two queen 
system that was developed at the University of Minnesota.  I was told that 
this system will allow for greater honey yields.   Any information would be 
appreciated.  Please post responses to this Newsgroup or e-mail me at 
manette@primenet.com if you can help.

Greg O'Dell
Minneapolis, Minnesota


From katsmith@vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:43 EDT 1995
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In article <DBL01s.87o@serval.net.wsu.edu>, i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu says...
>
>        Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context.
>I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the 
>proposal, the proposed renaming up above.  This is the first CFV that I'm 
>going to make sure to vote on.

Please see the latest version of our RFD.  It is called "4th RFD: 
misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.*".  This latest version is very different 
than the past 3 RFDs.

TIA,

Kathy



From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:44 EDT 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: welcome to NE
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 14:32:00 GMT
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J>Subject: welcome to NE
 >From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf)

J>Andy, I was on your BBS earlier this AM while you were still counting
 >bees, Great to have you back. This BBS is called AGRA-NET and is open to
 >the public. It has to be the BEST BBS that deals with AG issues. They
 >list most of the Northeast AG newsletters and now with the beekeepers
 >conference it is fantastic. Pass the word. the # is 508-529-0801.

Hello Jim,

   Sounds like a interesting place to visit. I will have to drop a
nickel on them and see if I can find some new ideas to add to the
Wild Bee's bbs.
                        ttul Andy-


From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:45 EDT 1995
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From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris)
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In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>
knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) writes:
 
>
>McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due
>to location of a swarm of Africanized bees.
>
 
Woody,
Please forgive this ignorant yankee, but we ain't never heered of no
McClellen County in this neck o' the woods!  Where is it located?
Texas?  Arizona?  Askin' 'cause I'm interested in AHB's migration,
although I remain hopeful that they won't tolerate the cold and snow of
the northern promised land!
 
Aaron Morris - think there's no place like home!


From glhat@ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 14 01:46:47 EDT 1995
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Can any one help with plans or location of plans for a simple solar wax extractor.
Thanks,
Terry Gosset



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From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
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In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>, Woodrow W. Baker <knapper@bga.com> wrote:
>McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due 
>to location of a swarm of Africanized bees.

Where is this?
Adam
-- 
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From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:52 EDT 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Solar Wax Extractor
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G>From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Grey Lynn Housing Trust)
 >Subject: Solar Wax Extractor

G>Can any one help with plans or location of plans for a simple solar wax extra
 >or.
 >Thanks,
 >Terry Gosset

                             HINT FOR THE HIVE #111

          SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS

        When it comes to rendering beeswax, nothing works like a solar wax
extractor or melter.  The melter can be made from almost any materials found
around the beekeeper's establishment and adapted to any size apiary.

        The principles of wax extractor design are always the same, although
the details of each specific apparatus may differ.  Bits of wax, old comb and
other scrapings from the hive are placed on a slated (usually) metal tray
inside the box, the wax melts and drips off the tray into a collector pan.  The
pan usually has slanted sides, facilitation removal of the wax block once it
hardens.

        Usually, the inside of the extractor is painted black to absorb as much
radiation as possible, facilitating heat buildup inside the melter.  The melter
should always be bee tight; honey bees are usually attracted to the odor of
melting wax (often there is honey adhered to the wax) and this promotes robbing
during nectar dearth.

        It is generally agreed the best way to put up good beeswax for show in
fairs and other events is to render it in a solar extractor.  Wax is judges on
several criteria including:  color, cleanliness and freedom from honey,
propolis and other adulterants; uniformity of appearance; and freedom from
cracking or shrinking.

        The best colored (light yellow) beeswax comes from that rendered from
cappings: wax from old combs is often quite dark.  Bleaching in the sun will
often lighten the color of rendered wax.

        Generally, wax from a melter is quite clean.  The longer it stays
liquid with the resultant settling of foreign materials, the cleaner it will
become.  This can be accomplished in the wax extractor or in a warm turned off
oven.  Once a cake of wax has hardened, detritis can be scraped off the bottom
and if necessary, the cleaning process repeated.

        Uniformity and absence of cracks in a wax block because of shrinkage is
minimized by allowing beeswax to cool very slowly.  The preferred mold is a
bread pan with slanted sides.  Once a cake is ready for submitting to a judge,
do not touch it (fingerprints will cause points to be subtracted), but wrap it
in plastic.

           THE PRINTED VERSION SHOWS A PLAN FOR A SOLAR WAX EXTRACTOR


From adamf@sunSITE.unc.edu Sat Jul 15 12:54:13 EDT 1995
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From: adamf@sunSITE.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
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 Gearing up for the next faq and ready to receive materials for archival.

Adam

adamf@sunsite.unc.edu
or
adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu



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Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine
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A>From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
 >Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine

A>In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>, Woodrow W. Baker <knapper@bga.com> wrot
 >>McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due
 >>to location of a swarm of Africanized bees.

A>Where is this?
 >Adam

Yeh, I was going to ask that and more. I am sure it's in Texas, but
posters should remember that most of us are not identified as to
where we are posting from geographically, including myself.

                      ttul Andy-

Los Banos, CA
Central California


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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
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Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4
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D>From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro)
 >Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4

D>EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, an
 >all the kinds of beehives .  For information on registration call Kim Flottum
 >President, 1-800-289-7668.

Yes, and tell him to post some detail in this news group. Maybe some
will want to subscribe to GLEANINGS.


From G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 12:54:16 EDT 1995
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A friend, who spends a lot of time working outdoors
has given me a newspaper cutting containing a letter 
describing a bee-sting cure.  The writer appears to live in Canada.

The cutting recommends a dilution of one teaspoon of meat 
tenderiser in (about) 50 ml of water. When dabbed on the sting 
the writer claims the solution will eliminate pain and swelling, and
maintain heartbeat and breathing at an ordinary level.

The meat tenderiser used by the writer (Adolf's instant
meat tenderizer - not a product I've seen in England) contains -
salt, sugar, tricalcium phosphate, papain and hydrogenated 
soybean oil.  The tenderizer from my frind's kitchen does not 
contain tricalcium phosphate.  She is eager to try this wonder
cure for beestings and would like to know:

1) if anyone can suggest how it might work
2) if the tricacium phosphate would be an important ingredient as 
   a beesting cure

I would like to know 
3) Are Canadian beestings likely to be of a similar severity to
   British beestings?  

Any comments?

Thanks

Jill Tardivel


From rshough@tasc.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:17 EDT 1995
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From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough)
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Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.950709231906.6522F-100000@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu>,
"Sharon J. Collman" <collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu> wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Mark Jensen wrote:
>
>> In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates
>> <R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> > There may be some substance
>> > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name,
anyone?
>> 
>> Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell
>> it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and
>> the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. [clip] Make
>> sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are
>> really bad news.
>> 
>> Mark Jensen              Double J Apiaries        mjensen@crl.com
>> 
>> 
>
[concerns about use of PDB expressed by Sharon]
>Sharon J. Collman                     OR      Sharon J. Collman
>c/o Center For Urban Horticulture             
>Box 354115                                    13720 23rd Ave. NE
>University of Washington                      Seattle, WA. 98125-3322
>Seattle, WA  98195-4115

I got my PDB from the hardware store - ask for mothballs, and READ THE LABEL.
The more common variety (in the USA) is, I believe, made with Napthalene
(bad stuff because it contaminates the wax). I was able to find 100% PDB
mothballs fairly easily, but had to reject several brands due to their
makeup.

Sharon - a clarification - the PDB is used during STORAGE of honey supers.
The bees themselves can control wax moths when the supers are on the colony.
Several days of airing out the supers is required before placing them back
on the colonies, as the PDB _is_ detrimental to the bees. My understanding
was that PDB is used because it does _not_ accumulate in the wax.
Unfortunately, I don't have any references handy to back up my
"knowledge".

I have also been led to believe that use of PDB during storage is _NOT_
regulated in the USA because the chemical is not used "in" the hive -
Apistan, Fumidal-B, etc. all go directly into the colony, and therefor
must be labeled appropriately to be used legally in the colony. I have
always exercised caution using PDB, allowing ample time to air out the
supers, due to contamination concerns, but I always considered the risk
to be PDB present on the surface of the wax (and therefor easy to get
into the honey), and not from PDB that had been absorbed by the wax
(which could, in turn, be absorbed by the honey, I suppose). It is my
belief that all PDB on the surface of the wax vaporizes and disperses
during the "airing out" process.

Well, that's my nickle's worth. What I have expressed is opinion and
recollection only, so please treat it with a healthy skepticism. Maybe
others can offer references to back up my beliefs - I will try to do some
quick research over the weekend - I'll post anything useful I find.

Time to get back to work before my boss finds me chatting about beekeeping
again!

Cheers,
Rick
currently managing 20 colonies in Northeastern Massachussetts

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From millerb@ACM.org Sat Jul 15 12:54:18 EDT 1995
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From: millerb@pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com (Bryan Miller)
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Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) appears to have written:

>D>From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro)
> >Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4

>D>EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, an
> >all the kinds of beehives .  For information on registration call Kim Flottum
> >President, 1-800-289-7668.

>Yes, and tell him to post some detail in this news group. Maybe some
>will want to subscribe to GLEANINGS.

Yes, and please tell us the state in which this fine event
will be held.

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Is it necessary to heat your fresh honey from the comb before eating? 
Thanks!

                                             Dave


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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:05:00 GMT
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*To all US Beekeepers*
 You all warm enough?

 We do get hot weather here in California and having been down by
the heat myself and knowing how long it can take to get over it I
thought many of you would like to read this FAQ on survival in the
heat. It is not something to mess with, if you get heat stroke you
can injure your health and recovery is very slow. It is also hard
on the bee's and they can melt down. Water is the key to saving
yourself and the bee's. Drink lot's of it, and make sure your bee's
are close to a good supply.
                                ttul Andy-




Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies

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Caution Urged During Heat Wave


Chicago, IL, July 13,1995 -- With the temperatures and humidity
at dangerous levels, the air quality diminishing, and no end in
sight in some parts of the country, the Emergency Response &
Research Institute (ERRI) is urging extreme caution for persons with
cardiac and respiratory problems.  According to Clark Staten,
director of the Chicago-based emergency service think-tank, the
recent heat wave has already resulted in the untimely deaths of
several people in the Midwest and Southwestern part of the United
States and more heat injuries or even deaths can be expected.


"The conditions are ideal for heat cramps, heat exhaustion, and
even heat stroke", the veteran (retired) paramedic said in an interview
today.  "This is the kind of weather that is dangerous to the
elderly, children, and those that have diseases that prevent
them from regulating heat well", he continued.  "People with
cardiac, respiratory, diabetic, asthmatic, and seizure problems
should be warned to use extreme caution when exposed to this
type of hot weather...it can aggravate their condition and even
result in death", Staten added.  "We would suggest that people
with these conditions remain indoors in the air conditioning or
even (if necessary) move to 'cooling centers' that have been
established by many municipalities", he continued.  "Even those
that don't have a pre-existing medical condition can easily be
affected by this type of heat and high humidity...they should
take some simple precautions to prevent the onset of heat injuries",
Staten concluded.



According to ERRI, during the heat wave, people should:


(1) Wear light colored clothing that will reflect the heat


(2) Drink plenty of water or special electrolyte replacing
fluids like "Gatorade", "Sports Drink" or other
commercial products


(3) Avoid alcoholic and caffeinated beverages, which tend to
dehydrate you...rather than rehydrate you...which is
needed.


(4) If possible, avoid strenuous physical activity while
outdoors...as this causes sweating and hastens fluid
loss


(5) Persons with known cardiac and respiratory conditions should
remain indoors, in air conditioning, or move to cooler
areas


(6) Particularly the elderly and children should limit their
exposure to high heat and humidity, as they are the
most susceptible to its effects


(7) Do not take salt tablets unless advised by a physician



Staten also listed some of the signs and symptoms, of heat
injuries, that can strike people during a heat wave. In order of
seriousness, they include:


Heat Cramps - Muscle pains caused by a build-up of acid
compounds and an excessive loss of fluids in
large muscles


Signs & Symptoms - Cramps in legs or stomach area


TREATMENT: # Remove the patient to a cooler environment


           # Rest the cramping muscles, sit or lie down


           # Replace fluids by mouth, use cool water or
             commercial electrolyte solutions


           # If the cramps do not subside, the patient should be
           taken to medical care




Heat Exhaustion - Often called heat prostration or heat
collapse, is a serious heat illness. It
occurs when the body loses large amounts
of water and electrolytes


Signs & Symptoms - Cool, clammy(sweaty)skin, dizziness,feeling
faint, nausea, vomiting, rapid pulse,
feels weak or "bad"

TREATMENT:
           # Move the patient to a cooler environment


           # Loosen tight or restrictive clothing or remove

             excessive layers of clothing


           # If the patient is conscious, give up to a liter of
           cool water or commercial electrolyte replacing
           fluids. Do not give fluids by mouth to a
           patient who can't hold the cup themselves.
           Never force fluids on a patient who is not
           alert, they could choke and aspirate the
           fluids.


           # In most cases, the patient ill recover on his/her
           own after fluid replacement and exposure to
           cooler temperatures. If not, or if a
           diminishing of his/her level of
           consciousness occurs, 911 must be called and
           EMT/Paramedics will start an intravenous line
           (I.V.) and replace fluids internally.


           # Unconsciousness, or a decreasing level thereof is
           reason enough to call 911.  Always err on the
           side of safety and care for the patient in
           question.




Heat Stroke - Heat stroke is a true medical emergency! It occurs
              when a patient that has suffered heat
              exhaustion does not receive treatment and
              is continually exposed to additional
              heat. Typical examples of heat stroke
              victims include elderly people who live in
              buildings without fans or air conditioning
              during heat waves, and children that are left in
              locked cars on a hot days.  Humidity seems to
              contribute to the likelihood of both heat
              exhaustion and heat stroke.


Signs & Symptoms: Hot & dry skin, lack of perspiration,
                  excessive body temperature, lessening
                  consciousness or total unconsciousness,
                  strong rapid pulse diminishing and weaker as
                  becomes unresponsive, imminent death if left untreated


TREATMENT:
           # Call 911; request Emergency Medical Services (EMS)


           # Immediately and rapidly move the patient to a
           cooler environment; preferably air conditioning


           # Remove the patient's clothing and cover him/her

(Continued to next message)


From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:20 EDT 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:05:00 GMT
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(Continued from previous message)

             with a sheet or towel soaked in cool water


           # If EMT/Paramedic services are delayed or not
             immediately available, ice packs can be
             applied to the patient's abdomen, armpits,
             and behind the neck


           # The patient will need intravenous (I.V.) fluids and
             extensive cooling measures to ensure survival.
             Hospital treatment will include reducing
             the body temperature by whatever means are
             necessary.



Staten concluded by urging everyone to check on elderly
neighbors and watch the activity of children during the
remainder of this heat wave.  He added that by being educated
citizens will be better prepared to prevent heat injuries and
care for family and friends that have suffered it's ill effects.

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From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sat Jul 15 12:54:21 EDT 1995
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From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: 519 pound honey production - 1 hive
Date: 15 Jul 1995 03:34:16 GMT
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In 1945, my father had a bee colony on a scale so that the daily 
and total honey production could be monitored.  The net (yes, 
NET!) honey production from that one colony was 519 lbs.  

We have a photo showing two 10-inch and 13 6-inch supers on the 
hive.  It stands about 4 feet taller than my father's head.  In 
addition to these, five 6-inch supers (full) were removed and 
replaced for refilling.

My father was a professional honey producer in Iowa from 1934 
until 1974, and had about a thousand colonies.

Does anyone have a better production record to report?

-- 
James R. Griggs
100115.2716@CompuServe.Com  (Home)
ST0@SGIT.IAEA.OR.AT         (Work)
Vienna, Austria


From rnoak@access.texas.gov Sat Jul 15 12:54:22 EDT 1995
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From: rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof"
Date: 15 Jul 1995 04:12:35 GMT
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In article <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net>, rgpiepul@ionet.net (Rob Piepul) says:
>
>What is the best kind of caulk to use?

A good welder probably can help you out.


From jdeming@delphi.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:23 EDT 1995
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From: Joyce Deming <jdeming@delphi.com>
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Anyone Shipping Package Bees?
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 95 01:00:59 -0500
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I just got my brother set up with a hive and equipment.  Now all
he needs are the bees.  He called Weaver Apiaries (where I get my
Buckfast queens), but they won't be shipping until next spring.  Does
anyone know of any breeders who will ship this time of year?  I'm sure
the heat is a problem for all the breeders, so he may have to wait until
next year.  It's pretty much past our swarm season here so I don't think
that's an option.  Anyway, what's that old rhyme -- "a swarm in July
isn't worth a fly"??
 
 
Thanks for any advice.
 
joyce
jdeming@delphi.com


From pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca Mon Jul 31 16:35:12 EDT 1995
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From: pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca (Justus Hayes)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack?
Date: 25 Jul 1995 23:49:01 GMT
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Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of 
the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started 
up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has 
to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the 
last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? 

Thanks.

	Justus Hayes
	pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca

FYA: Monty Python's "Eric the Half a Bee"

Half a bee, philosophically,
Must ipso facto half not-be.
But half the bee has got to be,
Vis-a-vis its entity.
Do you see?
But can a bee be said to be
Or not to be an entire bee,
When half the bee is not a bee
Due to some ancient injury.
Singing,
La da da, La dee dee,
Eric the half a bee.
Ho ho ho, Tee hee hee,
Eric the half a bee.
Is this a wretched demi-bee
Half asleep upon my knee?
Some freak from a menagerie?
No! It's Eric the half a bee.
Fiddle-dee dum, Fiddle-dee dee, 
Eric the half a bee.
A, b, c, d, e, f, g,
Eric the half a bee.
I love this hive employee-ee,
Bisected accidentally
One summer afternoon by me.
I love him carnally.
(He loves him carnally)
Semi-carnally.
The end.


From mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:13 EDT 1995
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From: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk (Mike Reddy)
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Subject: Re: Skeps FAQ
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In article <lehmann-2507951506250001@136.247.30.78>, lehmann@opus.mco.edu
(Paul F. Lehmann, Ph.D.) wrote:

> As a visitor to the Tudor reenactment at Kentwell Manor, Suffolk, England,
> during July  I can thoroughly recommend it.  The bee exhibit was great and
> really exciting and there was a mass of other interesting things to look
> at. 

By the way, it was me that took you to see the bees - tall red-haired chap
with a beard, dressed in green and brown - so I'm glad you enjoyed it. I
take it you are back in the States now. Hope you liked the rest of
Kentwell!

Yours Mike
--
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Yours Mike Reddy
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From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:14 EDT 1995
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From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Where's the FAQ, Jack?
Date: 26 Jul 1995 05:52:02 GMT
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In article <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>,
Justus Hayes <pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
>Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of 
>the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started 
>up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has 
>to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the 
>last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? 

    Hello,
If you would like to get the latest copy of the beekeeping FAQ, pointing
toward internet beekeeping resources, here's what you do:


* WWW URL: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq 

* WWW URL:
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu:80/hypertext/faq/usenet/beekeeping-faq/faq.html

* FTP:  FTP rtfm.mit.edu
log on anonymous, then cd to /pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq

can also FTP to: ftp.uu.net
              /usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq

If you can't use FTP, you may email for the faq. Here's how:

* email:  mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu
no subject
in body of letter put:  send usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq

* Usenet
The beekeeping faq is posted every month to:
news.answers, sci.answers, misc.answers, alt.answers, rec.answers
as well as sci.agriculture.beekeeping, misc.rural,
alt.sustainable.agriculture, and rec.gardens.

As a last resort, you may mail me and I'll send you the latest version, but
I might take longer than the above sources....

As always, please send suggestions, comments, criticisms, and I'll
do what I can.

Wishing you the best in the beekeeping world, 

Adam
-- 
________________________________
Adam Finkelstein
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From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:15 EDT 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 04:11:00 GMT
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P>From: pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca (Justus Hayes)
 >Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack?

P>Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of
 >the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started
 >up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has
 >to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the
 >last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy?

Hi Justus,

Nice Post, I will add it to the FAQ "Quote of the Month".<G>

There are FAQ's and there are faq's. This is what the Wild Bee's has
to offer via e-mail.
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From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:17 EDT 1995
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From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold))
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket control
Date: 26 Jul 1995 14:51:42 GMT
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In article <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Steve Bambara <steve_bambara@ncsu.edu> writes:
>     One thing to take note of is that these recommendations are not 
> universal.  Traps do not work in the Eastern US.  In addition, just 
> because a trap catches the target insect, does not mean that there is 
> any "control"  Insects may be attracted into an area, or the amount 
> trapped (though it may seem significant to you) may be a fraction of the 
> population.  If you were bothered by 75 yellow jackets instead of 100, 
> would you consider that a success?
> Stephen Bambara
> Raleigh, NC
> 
> 

Why would the trap fail to work in the Eastern US?

-- 
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From mikew54789@aol.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:19 EDT 1995
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The Central Maryland Beekeepers Assoc. would like to start a library of
books and videos.  We have $1000 to spend.  Is there anyone out there that
has done this?  I would appreciate any suggestions regarding sources,
discounts or any thing you can offer.

Mike


From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:21 EDT 1995
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From: Richard Yates <R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk>
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Is there a sure-fire way to detect mites without resorting to stuff like
Bayvarol or uncapping/examining brood? I know someone who keeps bees but is
anti the above methods. Regular concerted treatment is being advised, but will
probably not be accepted in this case. Treatment on detection may.

Richard.
~~~~~~~~



From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:22 EDT 1995
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From: Richard Yates <R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk>
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I have stocks in National hives on the edge of some moorland. The site is quite
high up, and during the winter months is likely to be rather damp/blowy/cold.

Can anyone advise me - does anything need to be done to assist overwintering,
i.e. extra packing over the crown board, "wrapping" of the hive or whatnot?
The hives will probably remain on brood + 1/2. I have only kept bees in sunny
Bedfordshire before (!).

I will be tying down the hives, just in case! The area is pleasant in the
summer
(as far as that is possible in our climate) & has provided surplus this season.

Richard.
~~~~~~~~



From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:23 EDT 1995
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From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott)
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Subject: Re: Varroa - detection NOT treatment
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In article <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk>
           R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk "Richard Yates" writes:

> Is there a sure-fire way to detect mites without resorting to stuff like
> Bayvarol or uncapping/examining brood? I know someone who keeps bees but is
> anti the above methods. Regular concerted treatment is being advised, but will
> probably not be accepted in this case. Treatment on detection may.

I use a mesh screen false floor under the brood nest and  over  the  old
(reversed) wooden floor.  Dying mites drop off of the bees and land on a
paper insert under the screen where the bees can't throw them  out  with
the  rubbish.   The natural mortality of mites is _much_ lower than with
Bayvarol but does give a clue to the level of  infestation.   Be  warned
that  natural  mortality rates in the UK seem unusual at present.  Early
figures in Germany (I can't find the reference)  suggested  that  a  few
tens of mites per day indicated imminent colony collapse.  At present in
the UK, mortality rates  can  be  several  *hundreds*  per  day  without
collapse. IBRA have a Varroa information pack -- ibra@cardiff.ac.uk

Talc, icing  sugar  or  lactic  acid  all  give  a  *relatively*  benign
knockdown -- more info mailed direct.

There are a couple of downsides to 'varroa floors'.  The bees  sometimes
extend  the  bottom  of  the  comb down to the mesh.  Below the mesh can
become a wax moth factory.

Regards,
-- 
Gordon Scott	Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk		100332,3310 on CompuServe
Newsletter	Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk	ditto
		Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor.
		Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK



From paulp@ims.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:24 EDT 1995
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I've a hive where the queen is only filling about four frames with brood.  The 
brood area is very tidy looking, it just isn't very big.  This hive has plenty 
of stores for the winter, but I'm concerned about there being enough bees.  
Right now, when I smoke them down, they will fill the bottom box but not much 
more.  I've been watching this hive for about a month since I first noticed 
this condition, and it seems to be fairly stable at four frames of brood (not 
declining).  What is the minimum to winter a hive in the Pacific Northwest?



From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:25 EDT 1995
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Subject: Beekeeping Opportunity
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*FYI*

From: Robert Rice <RiceR@LINCOLN.MQM.GOVT.NZ>
Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:39:04 +1200
Subject:      Beekeeping Opportunity


BEEKEEPING BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY IN NEW ZEALAND

A friend is wanting to sell his commercial honey production business
which is based on the Nth Canterbury Plains near Christchurch, New
Zealand.  If this opportunity is of interest to you or anyone you might
know please ask the to contact me directly.

Robert Rice
Apiculture Services Manager (Sth Island)
Ministry of Agriculture
P.O. Box 24,
Lincoln,
New Zealand.

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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
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*NEW BOOK*

From: Anguspd0@AOL.COM
Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:26:48 -0400
Subject:      Guide to Pollen used by bees

        NEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED

POLLEN OF THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES: WITH EMPHASIS ON MELISSOPALYNOLOGY
AND ENTOMOPALYNOLOGY (released in July, 1994; $27.00)
        by  G. Jones, V. Bryant, M. Lieux, S. Jones, & P. Lingren

  The hardback edition of this  pollen atlas of  Southeastern U.S.
flora is finally available for sale.  It contains nearly 100 pages of
text and indices as well as over 100 full-page plates.  In total there
are nearly 1,000 individual SEM photographs of 400 different vouchered
pollen taxa found in flora of the Southeastern United States.  In
addition to a text portion, and plates, the book contains five separate
indices that make finding the picture of any pollen grain easy.  All of
the SEM photographs are indexed according to their plant family,
according to the plant's genus, by aperturation type, by ornamentation
classification, and by individual photograph number.   It is a
remarkable publication for the price!

  Although this pollen atlas would be useful for any type of pollen
research, it is especially useful for those individuals working with
pollen-feeding insects and bees.  Almost all of the pollen taxa
represented in this book come from confirmed identifications of pollen
taxa known to be used by bees
 in the production of honey, or pollen used as food by other types of
pollen-eating insects.

   Copies may be ordered by email, by letter, by FAX, or by telephone
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From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:27 EDT 1995
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hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) wrote:
>In article <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Steve Bambara <steve_bambara@ncsu.edu> writes:
>>     One thing to take note of is that these recommendations are not 
>> universal.  Traps do not work in the Eastern US.  In addition, just 
>> because a trap catches the target insect, does not mean that there is 
>> any "control"  Insects may be attracted into an area, or the amount 
>> trapped (though it may seem significant to you) may be a fraction of the 
>> population.  If you were bothered by 75 yellow jackets instead of 100, 
>> would you consider that a success?
>> Stephen Bambara
>> Raleigh, NC
>> 
>> 
>
>Why would the trap fail to work in the Eastern US?
>
Harold,
	That is a great question, for which we do not have the answer.  I have tested several designs of yellow jacket traps over the years=
 (I'm not the only one) with poor results.  Traps may catch 3-4 adults per week at best compared to reports of hundreds (I'd like to=
 see that!) claimed in the West.
	One suggestion is that we have a different race.  Someone should do some DNA comparisons. Perhaps humidity plays a part in volatili=
ty of attractants?  Who knows?
	The second point is comparable to the Japanese beetle trap situation.  Sure you catch hundreds of the buggers, but are you really c=
ontroling anything in your yard?  Japanese beetle traps are most effective when you set your trap in your NEIGHBOR'S yard.  :)
Stephen Bambara
Raleigh, NC
>




From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Mon Jul 31 16:35:28 EDT 1995
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An Old beekeeper who use to get rid of all yellow jacket from fairs told
me an easy way to eliminate all within one mile,
Mix 1 tsp  sevin with a tune can size portion of hamburg or cat food.
Protect from animals and birds with a piece of hardware cloth.
Since YJ are meat eaters all within 1 mile will vvisit and bring
substance back to nest,
All will be gone within 10 days.


From saunders@algol.cis.udel.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:29 EDT 1995
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From: saunders@algol.cis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders)
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In article <950727170745426@beenet.com>,
Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@beenet.com> wrote:
>
...
>
>POLLEN OF THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES: WITH EMPHASIS ON MELISSOPALYNOLOGY
>AND ENTOMOPALYNOLOGY (released in July, 1994; $27.00)
>        by  G. Jones, V. Bryant, M. Lieux, S. Jones, & P. Lingren
>
...

Sounds great!  How well do you think this applies to flora in Delaware?

I'm a novice beekeeper (hobbyist so far) and, more generally, am interested
to know how to identify my bees' sources at various times of the season.

B.(as in Bee) David Saunders


From wordset@londonci.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:32 EDT 1995
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From: Wordset <wordset@londonci.demon.co.uk>
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Surrey Docks Farm in south east London (UK) now has a Web site
within London Calling. The city farm, catering for school visits
and training, has honey-producing hives which visitors can observe.
The people at the farm would love to hear from anyone with associated
interests. Their Web address is:

http://www.demon.co.uk/london-calling/farm1.html

E-mail address: dockcityfarm@gn.apc.org

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From hase@wettzell.ifag.de Mon Jul 31 22:16:43 EDT 1995
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From: Hayo Hase <hase@wettzell.ifag.de>
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Subject: What to do by 'Melizitose' ?  R&D program wanted...
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Hi beekeeper and honeyresearchers!

This is an emergency call. In the Bavarian Forest (Germany, between Danube and 
Chechia) the honey suffers 'Melizitose' (or similar it is called). So far as I
understood, there are louses of the leaves behind. They suck the juice from the
trees, which makes somehow a change to the nectar. The collecting bees make
honey
out of it, but it cristallize in the weaves. Centrifugating has no effect. The 
honey stays inside the weaves.
Beekeepers in this region could harvest ca. 40kg per beehieve, but they bring
only ca. 3 kg out. Even the bees aren't able to consume that honey during
winter
time.

Does anybody a solution for the problem to get the honey?

Isn't that of interest for natural science?

I am thinking to physic/chemical solution: The chemistry of honey with
Melizitose
should have a typical molecular structure. Each molecule has a resonance
frequency.
If we stimulate the honey with those resonance frequencies, the honey should
become
liquid and get out of the weaves. (Principle according to water molecule in the 
microwave.) [I'm not good in chemistry, biology.]
Did somebody make some investigation in this?

The problem with Melizitose increased during the past years. Any invention in
this 
direction will save beekeeping in the South of Germany.

Thanks for comments and replies - prefered by email.

Hayo
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From Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Mon Aug 14 13:47:32 EDT 1995
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Peter,

As a backyard beekeeper, myself, I was concerned
about being a good neighbor.  I obtained a copy
of "Texas Model Ordinance For Urban Beekeeping"
>from  Brushy Mountain Bee Farm (1-800-233-7929).
The copy was only $1.50 and it outlined the basis
for a town ordanance that I think most could live with.

Kevin O.

PS.  From my own experience.   Originally my wife
        said "No way.  No bees in my backyard".  Well
        after about a year now she has completely 
        changed her mind.  I have two hives about 30'
        from the back of my house.  Surrounding these
        two hives I placed some lattice about 5 feet
        high.  As a previous responder mentioned -- once
        the bees depart the hive they fly high.  Usually
        they fly above treetop level.   A lattice or shrub
        wall can be used to get the bees above head
        level.  Once the bees are above head level
        you don't have to worry.  And also, like a previous
        poster mentioned,  my wife was confusing the
        aggressive yellow jacket with honey bees.  If the
        bees are after food, especially meat, chances are
        they are yellow jackets.



==========Peter Wainwright, 8/5/95==========
Hello, I saw this newsgroup on the net and am hoping you can be of 
assistance.

I'm a Councillor for the Town of Sidney, British Columbia, Canada. We are 
a small city with a population of about 11,000 and an area of about 2 
square miles located on the coast of Vancouver Island near Victoria. 

There have been several complaints from the neighbors of one particular 
beekeeper in town who is on a single family lot on in a relatively dense 
part of town and just across the road from a school. My understanding is 
that the individual involved does not exercise "good practice" with his 
beekeeping. Municipal staff looked into the complaints and recommended to 
Council that we consider banning beekeeping within the town.

Banning beekeeping would certainly solve the problem, but is unfair to 
those who are "good" beekeepers and not causing their neighbors any 
trouble. It does seem reasonable that adopt some kind of bylaw to protect 
our residents from this kind of nuissance. At the same time, it would 
be nice if the bylaw was fair to those not causing any problems. Lastly, 
to be of any practical value, the bylaw would have to be enforcable, 
i.e., it has to be reasonably straightforward and not unreasonably 
expensive to take action about a problem.

I am hoping that some of you out there know some examples of "good" 
bylaws that meet these criteria. Ideally, I'd like to hear about other 
jurisdictions in British Columbia, but I'm open to any and all ideas. 
Please write to me at <A HREF="mailto:,(pwwright@islandnet.com)> or post 
a response on this newsgroup.

Thanks for your help.

Peter Wainwright
Town of Sidney
2440 Sidney Ave.
Sidney, B.C. 
Canada V8L 1Y7







From libby@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 14 13:47:35 EDT 1995
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Hey Andy,

How goes it? Can you get us a recipe for making our own?

Libby


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Hi, I just want to know where I can order bees, and how much they cost by the 
lb. I live in Indianapolis, IN.


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this place  sucks!!!



From bellanton002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Mon Aug 14 13:47:40 EDT 1995
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I live in CT and I'am finding more Yellow Jackets this week on my deck then I
did earlier this summer! Why is this?

The Yellow Jackets also seem more wild and confused this week then earlier in
the summer! Why is this?

What can I do to keep Yellow Jackets off my deck?

Will Yellow Jackets bite or sting me if I'am just sitting and minding my own
business or do they only sting/bite when provoked?

Also I would like to know of other newsgroups, www sites, ftp sites, etc where
I can learn more about yellow jackets!
Thanks!
SINCE I DONT COME ON THE NEWSGROUP OFTEN PLEASE EMAIL ME!!!!!

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From blowry@omni.voicenet.com Mon Aug 14 13:47:41 EDT 1995
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>   roberts@news.in.net (NightHawk) writes:
>  Hi, I just want to know where I can order bees, and how much they cost by the 
>  lb. I live in Indianapolis, IN.
>  
>>>>
You probably want to find a local bee keeper and split a hive.

Your other alternative is to get a queen mail order.  It comes as a mini-hive, a queen and a few workers.

The best time to start a hive is early June (in the northern hemisphere).

The reason is that bees stay active all winter long, and because they do, they can start collecting nectar much earlir than most other 
polinators.  Because polinators are so scarce in June, there is much competition among flowers, and June nectar is much richer.  
Later in the year when polinators are plentiful and less difficult to attract, nectar is much thinner.  Except for June, most hives don't 
produce much honey, or even run at a loss.



From brown@idirect.com Mon Aug 14 13:47:44 EDT 1995
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I have never logged into this newsgroup before so excuse me if I am 
raising an issue that has been discussed recently.

Bees have recently started a colony near my back door and have become a 
hazard.  Last night I sprayed a foam insulation aroung the entrance and I 
thought that I had likely entoumbed the colony.  This morning there are 
bees flying around the area, trying to get in.

Do all bees in the colony spend the night in the hive?  If so then they 
must have found another exit.  Alternatively, if some bees spend the 
night elsewhere then they returned in the morning and will hopefully go 
away when they discover that the hive is no longer accessable.

Any advice would be appreciated.  I am opposed to using insecticides 
unless I have absolutely no alternative.

Ken
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    the mad Pretender                              the Mad Praetor       
            
                                          Toronto, Canada 
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From hinton@next12.isi.edu Mon Aug 14 13:47:46 EDT 1995
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	Attention Apiarists and Bee enthusiasts: due to circumstances beyond  
my control, I am  selling the majority of my Bee keeping equipment.   
The following is for sale:

 QTY.			DESC.
-----                -------
100 ea.     8 frame bee hives with almond contracts.
250         honey supers w/ drawn comb
1           Bee trailer w/boom, carries 72 hives
1           Cowan uncapper, 
1           Maxant 50 frame extractor, 
1           55 gal. sump tank,
1           1 1/4" honey pump w/ pipe, 
1           7 drum honey tank w/ heater and stand,
1           Cowan wax melter, 
150         feeders,
1           honey bottling heater 
1           300 lb. bottling tank, 
1           drum hand truck, plus misc.
            hive boxes, tops, bottoms, etc.

	I am asking $11,000 or best offer.  If you have any questions,  
please email me CHINGAII@aol.com or call me
at (209) 673-7228, ans ask for Jon Hinton, senior.  All the equipment  
is located in Madera, CA, twenty minutes north of Fresno.  Do not  
want to transport, but an arrangement can be reached for serious  
buyer.

PLEASE NOTE: You may reply to this address (hinton@isi)
as this is my son's address, but the response time will be a little  
slower as he will simply forward all mail to me.

	Thank you,
	Jon Hinton, Sr.

	chingaii@aol.com 

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Hi ... over in rec.crafts.brewing there
are dozens of recipies...
Basically, make your wort by
whatever method you choose - extract cans,
all grain mash, etc. Just add a pound or
two of honey towards the end of the boil.

Libby Goldstein (libby@igc.apc.org) wrote:
: Hey Andy,
: 
: How goes it? Can you get us a recipe for making our own?
: 
: Libby

-- 
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-P


From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Aug 14 13:47:50 EDT 1995
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=====================================================

B-MAIL

A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by
IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping.

>From Dr Pamela Munn, Editor Bee World

**August/1995**

=====================================================

*********************
Magic bullets
*********************
I came across an interesting paper this month amongst a pile of scanning
that materialized on my desk, which prompted me to find out more.

It appears that bees are proving to be effective carriers of biocontrol agents.
Studies are being carried out to discover how honey bees can be used to
spread beneficial bacteria and viruses to crops and orchards, where they
come into contact with pest organisms. The pests are not entirely killed off,
but reduced to such a level that is not economically damaging. The
standard method of controlling pests is of course spraying, resulting in large
quantities of pesticides being spread into the environment. Bees are able to
target the crops very specifically avoiding this problem.

Examples of this type of bio control include fire blight, a serious pest of
orchard fruits such as apple and pear. It is caused by Erwinia amylovora.
Johnson et al*. have been testing the ability of honey bees to disperse the
bacteria Pseudomonas fluorescens, which is antagonistic to E. amylovora,
to apple and pear blossoms. They attached pollen inserts to each hive,
forcing the bees to walk through a freeze-dried preparation of the bacteria
as they left the hive. Another group* working on fire blight control used P.
fluorescens and E. herbicola in their study. They found that 92% of the apple
flowers in a 2.6-ha orchard were inoculated with E. herbicola. Both studies
concluded that honey bees are efficient vectors of fire blight pathogens.

Peng et al*. have looked at controlling the strawberry pest, Botrytis cinerea.
They have developed a dispenser to fit in the hive, which contaminates bees
with either corn meal or a mixture of corn meal and talc, inoculated with
Gliocladium roseum. They found that the amount of G. roseum on flowers
treated using honey bees was higher and more stable than sprayed plants,
and effectively suppressed B. cinerea on both flowers and fruit.

More recently, workers in Georgia, USA*, have reported work on using
honey bees to spread the Heliothis nuclear polyhedrosis virus (HNPV) into
fields of clover to control Lepidopteran larvae, such as Helicoverpa zea and
Heliothis virescens.

Bees are already being used commercially to pollinate crops and it seems a
logical step forward if they can also be used to control pests. So far, work
has concentrated on honey bees, but many economically valuable crops
are grown in greenhouses, where honey bees are not useful, or are more
effectively pollinated by other bees, such as bumble bees. It would be an
interesting development if these bees proved as effective biocontrol vectors.

Work is still in the early stages of development, and the extent to which it
proves useful will depend greatly on an improved understanding of the
interrelationships between the bees and the plants they forage on, and their
target pests.

Further reading:

1. GROSS, H; HAMM, J J; CARPENTER, J E (1994) Design and applicaiton
of a hive mounted device that uses honey bees (Hym: Apidea) to
disseminate Heliothis nuclear polyhedrosis viruses. Environmental
Entomology 23(2): 492-501.

2. JOHNSON, K B; STOCKWELL, V O; BURGETT, D M; SUGAR, D;
LOPER, J E (1993) dispersal of erwinia amylovora and pseudomonas
fluorescens by honey bees from hives to apple and pear blossoms.
Phytopathology 83(50: 478-484.

3. PENG, G; SUTTON, J C; KEVAN, P G (1992) Effectiveness of honey
bees for applying the biocontrol agent Gliocladium roseum to strawberry
flowers to suppress Botrytis cinerea. Canadian Journal of Plant Pathology
14(2): 117-129.

4. THOMSON, S V; HANSEN, D R; FLINT, K M; VANDENBERG, J D (1992)
Dissemination of bacteria antagonistic to Erwinia amylovora by honey bees.
Plant Disease 76(10): 1052-1056.

**********************
Meetings coming up
**********************

Black Bee Symposium 1995
8-10 September 1995, in Norway

This conference will focus on conserving the European black bee.
Registration details are available from the organizers:

Flekkefjord Landsbrukskontoret
Kirkegata 52
N-4400 Flekkefjord
Norway
Fax: (+47) 38 32 44 56

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American Association of Stratigraphic Palynologists 28th Annual meeting
10-14 October 1995, Ottawa, Canada

Details are available from:

SA Jarzen
AASP 28
Canadian Museum of Nature
PO Box 3443, Station D
Ottawa K1P 6P4
Canada
E.mail: sjarzen@mus-nature.ca

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International Conference on bee products: properties, applications and
apitherapy
26-30 March 1996, Tel Aviv, Israel

Contact:

Dan Knassim Ltd
PO Box 57005
Tel Aviv 61570
Israel
Fax: 972 3 6133341

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7th International Symposium on Pollination: from theory to practice
23-28 June 1996, Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada

The International Commission for Plant-Bee Relationships is holding its 7th
international symposium at the University of Lethbridge. The second circular
will be available in October from:

Ken Richards
Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada
Lethbridge Research Centre
Lethbridge
Alberta T1J 4B1
Canada
E.mail: richards@abrsle.agr.ca

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Look out in the next B.mail for more information on IBRA's 6th International
Conference on Tropical Bees; management and diversity.

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***************************
Bee Scientists honoured
***************************

The achievements of two well known bee scientists have been recognized
in the honour lists of their respective countries.

Professor John Free, UK, was honoured in the Queen's Birthday Honours
List with the award of Commander of St Michael and St George for services
to beekeeping worldwide. Professor Free has a long and distinguished
career in both pure and applied research on honey bees.

Dr Peter Molan of the University of Waikato, New Zealand, has been
awarded an MBE in that country's June honour's list for services to the
honey industry. For many years he has worked on the antibiotic properties
of honey and wrote an extensive review on this subject for Bee World in
1992. (Available as a reprint from IBRA, price #4.00 plus postage and
packing).





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From m12345@cybernet.co.nz Mon Aug 14 13:47:51 EDT 1995
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please call a beekeeper in your local area and get him to come & take 
them away. they don't deserve to die & he will be able to give them a 
good home.
alternatively, here in nz, the ministry of agriculture will even come & 
take them away for u. see if u have a similar public service in your 
area.



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Hello, everyone.  I'm posting this message on behalf of my girlfriend, who 
wishes to know of good sources for learning how to keep bees for the purpose 
of harvesting honey (is there another reason?).

So, is there a faq for this group?  If not, could you recommend reading 
materials or organizations that could point me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance!

PS, please email your replies.

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From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 14 13:47:55 EDT 1995
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From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris)
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In article <APC&1'0'8024deec'42c@igc.apc.org>
Libby Goldstein <libby@igc.apc.org> writes:
 
>
>How goes it? Can you get us a recipe for making our own?
>
>Libby
 
There is a good recipe for honey beer in ABJ within the past two or
three months.  There is also a good recipe in Papazian's
_New_Complete_Joy_of_Homebrewing_.  Both recipes use only a small amount
of honey in the brew.  Off the top of my head, Papazians recipe for 5
gallons of brew contains 3 1/2 pounds light dried malt extract, 1 1/2
oz Cascade boiling hops, 1/2 oz Cascade finishing hops, and only 2 lbs
of honey (I usually use closer to a full quart (3 lbs)).  Lager yeast
is recommended.  Final product is crisp and refreshing, although the
taste of honey is not very evident.  It was a hit at my beekeepers'
association summer picnic where a representative of the Nat. Honey Board
pointed out that even though there is only a small amount of honey in
the product, if there are tens or hundreds of thousands of these
products produced, the small amount of honey in each product adds up to
A LOT of honey.  So, relax, don't worry, and enjoy a honeybrew!
 
Aaron Morris - Thinking it's too early in the AM to be thinking about beer!


From wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU Mon Aug 14 13:47:57 EDT 1995
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andy.nachbaur@beenet.com  writes:
> ...
> senses and were easily defeated by the Heptakometes.  The source of this
> toxic honey in the Middle East is probably Rhondodendron ponticum, although
> R. luteum could also be a source.  A good reference to the toxic honey of
> ...
> from the 1940's and 1960's.  The most recent report is the one we found
> here in Virginia.  A beekeeper became violently ill after comsuming some
> honey from his hives and ended up spending 6 days in the local hospital.
> ... subsequently analyzed the honey.  We found two grayanotoxins (primarily
> nerve toxins that lead to a prolonged depolarization of the nerve)  in the
> honey in sufficient levels to cause very serious medical problems.  Based
> on the time of year, the area in which the honey was made, and the toxins,
> we believe the source was Kalmia latifolia (Mountain laurel).  This type of
> toxic honey is not common but seems to be reported once about every 20 or
> 30 years...

Swell.  I just brought in my first good honey harvest ever
after years of keeping 1-2 hives, and now I wonder if
I'll be poisoning my kids.  How do I tell if I should 
supply only my friends or only my enemies? 

OK, I'll bite: How do I convince my bees to not gather from
the mountain laurel around my place?  Is K. latifolia
(and Rhododendron, for that matter) at all toxic to the bees?
Do beekeepers need to worry if there's much or any mountain
laurel around?  Any practical way to test for the toxin?  I
don't recall honeybees paying much attention to our
profusely blooming mountain laurel...Do they have sense
enough not to gather its nectar and pollen?  Is the pollen
toxic?


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>Subject:	[Q] Is there a FAQ?
>From:	pbarney@hypnos.norden1.com (Peter Barney)
>Date:	10 Aug 1995 07:15:54 GMT
>
>Hello, everyone.  I'm posting this message on behalf of my
>girlfriend, who 
>wishes to know of good sources for learning how to keep bees for the
>purpose 
>of harvesting honey (is there another reason?).

  I keep honeybees as a commercial beekeeper (almost) exclusively for crop
pollination service.  The farmers must have bees, so they pay me for the
service of supplying them to their crops while blooming.
"If your melon is sweet, the farmer got bees from me; if it isn't sweet,
he didn't."

>So, is there a faq for this group?  If not, could you recommend reading 
materials or organizations that could point me in the right direction?

   I highly recommend a subscription to Bee Culture for beginners.  It is
jammed with all kinds of info, as well as ads for bee equipment, queens,
bees, etc.  You can get info from <bculture@aol.com>

   If you are in the USA (always a good idea on a beekeeping post to let
folks know where you are) you should check with your county extension
agent, who should have some materials, and more important, will point you
to local clubs, which exist in most places.

   Any decent sized library should have some basic beekeeping books,
though they will likely not have anything on current situations such as
varroa mites, which you MUST control, or you won't be keeping bees long
.
   There are several FAQ's around,  one can be gotten from Adam
Finkelstein  <adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu>  I think he keeps the most up-to-date
one.

   If you have pollination questions, you can e-mail me. That is my
livelihood, so I should know a little.

Pollinator@aol.com                                 Dave Green
PO Box 1215,  Hemingway,  SC  29554


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blowry@omni.voicenet.com writes:
 
>
>The best time to start a hive is early June (in the northern hemisphere).
>
 
JUNE?!?  You've missed 6 week of build up time!  In upstate New York I
request package delivery around tax date (April 15), which is also about
the time I start splits.  Waiting 'till June guarantees there will be no
honey harvested until the following year.
 
Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee!


From bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Mon Aug 14 13:48:02 EDT 1995
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First of all, do you know honey bees, and are you sure these are bees and
not yellow jackets or wasps of some type.  Wasps and yellow jackets will
destroy your gyproc walls, so suggest you get rid of them pronto.  
Short of tearing off the house siding and getting the nest out that way,
which is a sure way to get stung too, there is no real solution other than
insecticide or some thing else that will kill them.

You might try standing at the door with your vacuum hose held up to the
spot where they are going in, and just suck them up.  It might take a
couple of hours, and cost a bit of electricty.  Trouble is you won't
likely get the queen, or the workers which will just keep right on
producing.

Queen honey bees can lay up to 2000 eggs per day, so you know what your
fighting.  Wasps aren't so productive, but they can have quite large
populations by this time of year.

So, if you want to keep it short, no insecticides means a vacuum cleaner,
then a disposal problem.  Most of the insects will die on the way to the
bag, but be careful how you approach it.
Raid, or a wasp bomb is the next best, maybe the best anyway.

So, since you live in Toronto, hello, Hamilton is my home town, but I am
now in Vancouver area.  I have a sister in the newmarket area, and they
are on the net but haven'g figured out how to connect to me.  Wondered if
you could look up their name for me and see if you can find their
address.  Brother in law's name is Rick Strongitharm.

-- 
honey is sweeter than wine


From bcollier@i-link.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:03 EDT 1995
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I have a number of bumble bees that have set up residence in the attic
of a wooden storage building behind my house.

I know this is a news group for bee keeping, but I need advice on how to
find a new location for the bees or any suggestions on where to go for 
help.

The ceiling of the building is a thin plastic sheet under bats of 
insulation. I  can not see the bees for the insulation, but even a small 
vibration of the floor will start a loud buzzing  over head. I am afraid
they will find one of the small holes in the plastic while we are in the 
building and cut off our path to the door.

After disturbing "their" home, we have seen as many as a dozen bumble 
bees swarming around the rafters out side of the building.

No one wants to get stung. If I had not had heart surgery and did not
use medication to regulate my heart beat, I would not be as worried 
about the bees.

ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT TO DO OR WHO TO CONTACT WOULD BE APPRECIATED !

Thanks in advance,
Bill Collier



From Greeneg@pixi.com Mon Aug 14 13:48:05 EDT 1995
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There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped 
glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee 
farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most 
likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be 
appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first 
assistance rendered.




From trhan@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 14 13:48:06 EDT 1995
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From: Teri Rhan {FMO} <trhan@cac.washington.edu>
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Brushy Mountain 1-800-233-7929 fax 1-910-921-2681
610 Bethany Church Rd.
Moravian Falls, NC 28654

So do I win the Guava Jelly?:-)
Teri

On 13 Aug 1995, Gordon Greene wrote:

> There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped 
> glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee 
> farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most 
> likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be 
> appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first 
> assistance rendered.
> 
> 
> 
> 


From ccoplan@infi.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:08 EDT 1995
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Well, I just put my first super on today (for cut comb honey for me) - and
was looking to see if I made a mistake or not - (I'm in Richmond VA, just
2 hrs south of Washington DC)

I started the hive @ the beginning of June, and as of today, they have
filled 2 large hive bodies with brood, pollen, and honey.  I can't feed
them without putting on my bee suit (they are too busy and or I'm still a
wimp), and they have slowed down on the drinking (I'm guessing because
their space is full.)  I don't plan on feeding them anymore, now that I
have the super on top.

I guess my question is - am I wasting my time? and will a small patch of
buckwheat and other nectar crops (apx 100ft * 200ft) help (or should I put
that space to better use - i.e. food crops).

Sorry for rambling - any suggestions appreciated.

Chris Coplan
ccoplan@infi.net


From 70740.1220@CompuServe.COM Mon Aug 14 13:48:10 EDT 1995
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From: Charlie Fletcher <70740.1220@CompuServe.COM>
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Hi Y'all,

I'm new to this forum and also a novice apiarist. I don't know any other beekeepers in my area, and I've got lots of questions. I'll try not to overload everybody. Firstly:

Are queen excluders problematic? I had a friend over for dinner last night who told me that most workers have trouble getting through the grating. This morning, I opened up the hive, and sure enough, there were very few bees in the two supers I have on top of two brood chambers. 

I could see bees struggling to get through the grating, and, in fact, after two weeks, the bees had not pulled any of the super combs. Rather, they appeared to be canibalizing the super comb, presumably to use in the brood chambers. The brood chambers were _full_ of bees and honey. Just jam packed. Of course, take that from one who has never looked in a bee hive before. 

I'm wondering if my timing has been completely off, or not. I've gotten into all this a bit late. The storms this spring prevented my bee supplier (Blue Ridge Apiaries) from getting my bees to me until mid-May. I bought ARS-C-Y-1 bees, since there are a lot of mites here in Kentucky. 

How does this sound? Bees into hive in mid-May. Second brood chamber early-July. Two shallow supers beginning of August.

Since there wasn't a drop of honey in the supers, I decided to experiment and took the queen excluder out. Was that wise, or should I put it back? Am I expecting surplus honey too late in the season?

Thanks for your help. Now that I've found you all, I'll hang around and contribute.

Regards,

Charlie

-- 
Charlie


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I have a question - hope you have an answer:
Which type of honey is the most expensive here 
in the US?
Mahdiyy


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                    ----------------------------------------
July Honey Market's Gleaned from several reports:

  ______________________
 (//////////////////////)   As more new crop honey is marketed 1995
 (//////////////////////)   Honey prices hold firm. The market was
 /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\   again topped by white clover honey
|     Wild Flower!       |  imported from Argentina landed on the
|                        |  East Coast for 71 cents. White clover
|  _   _          \    / |  from Canadian producers was quoted at
| | |_| | __      _ \/   |  51 - 66 cents delivered.
| | |-| |:  :|\ |:_ ::   |
| |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ ||   |  US NEW Crop Honey was in good demand and
|                        |  ranged in price paid producer's for new
|  Product of LOVE 16oz  |  crop all sources between 52 and 63 cents.
|________________________|

The lowest price reported was for Chinese Tallow, normally a darker
high moisture honey that is used in the industrial trade. Louisiana
Tallow honey was quoted at 47 cents. I suspect this was a aberration
as my friend's in Texas who produce much Tallow honey normally get a
higher price and Texas extra light amber Brush and light amber Horsemint
honey sales are reported at 60 cents.

Total crop estimates have not been made yet, but the crop looks good
in places and I would not be surprised to see a crop equal or below
last years. As always's weather condition's have been good for some
and bad for other's, with some northern states having little or no
yellow sweet clover bloom this year and are relying on alfalfa bloom,
sun flowers, and other plants.

Some word's to explain it all;

26:4  Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall
yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their
fruit.

26:5  And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage
shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the
full, and dwell in your land safely.

                          ttul Andy-
---
 þ QMPro 1.53 þ Honey Lovers Stick Together


From 70740.1220@CompuServe.COM Mon Aug 14 13:48:18 EDT 1995
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Hi Teri,

Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, Inc., 610 Bethany Church Rd., Moravian Falls, NC 28654, 1-800-233-7929, fax 1-910-921-2681.

Regards,

Charlie Fletcher
Greensburg, Ky.

-- 
Charlie


From littlejb@emi.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:19 EDT 1995
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Charlie Fletcher <70740.1220@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>Hi Y'all,

>I'm new to this forum and also a novice apiarist. I don't know any other beekeepers in my area, and I've got lots of questions. I'll try not to overload everybody. Firstly:

>Are queen excluders problematic? I had a friend over for dinner last night who told me that most workers have trouble getting through the grating. This morning, I opened up the hive, and sure enough, there were very few bees in the two supers I have on top of two brood chambers. 

>I could see bees struggling to get through the grating, and, in fact, after two weeks, the bees had not pulled any of the super combs. Rather, they appeared to be canibalizing the super comb, presumably to use in the brood chambers. The brood chambers were _full_ of bees and honey. Just jam packed. Of course, take that from one who has never looked in a bee hive before. 

>I'm wondering if my timing has been completely off, or not. I've gotten into all this a bit late. The storms this spring prevented my bee supplier (Blue Ridge Apiaries) from getting my bees to me until mid-May. I bought ARS-C-Y-1 bees, since there are a lot of mites here in Kentucky. 

>How does this sound? Bees into hive in mid-May. Second brood chamber early-July. Two shallow supers beginning of August.

>Since there wasn't a drop of honey in the supers, I decided to experiment and took the queen excluder out. Was that wise, or should I put it back? Am I expecting surplus honey too late in the season?

>Thanks for your help. Now that I've found you all, I'll hang around and contribute.

>Regards,

>Charlie

>-- 
>Charlie


Where do you live? Here in South Fla. there is still alot of flowers
blooming and we will be getting into Fla. Holly (braziilian pepper in
about a month.
      Jay



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Gordon Greene (Greeneg@pixi.com) wrote:
: There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped 
: glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee 
: farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most 
: likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be 
: appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first 
: assistance rendered.


Call them at 800/233-7929


BTW,  i've been using these jars (the hexagons, right?) for years - they 
sell well.

Dave


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S>From: steve@igs.net (Steve Holtzkener)
 >Subject: Help with wasp removal

S>At the Beekeeping Home Page I saw a reference to an article in the hint.index
 >referenced yellow.jacket   How to get rid of them! Adrian Wenner  8/94.  I
 >tried to get the article, but the mailer didn't respond.

*********

YELLOW JACKET CONTROL

Yellow jackets (Vespula spp. - colonial wasps), can pose a severe problem
for people when these wasps aggressively seek food.  (Remember, though,
yellow jackets do pollinate plants, such as squash, and dispose of waste
matter and thus are not all bad.)

Early in the season meat is preferred; later they focus more on sweets.
Normally, they are an annual species, with colonies started in the spring
of each year by a single mated and overwintered queen.  As the season
progresses, nest sizes grow and can contain thousands of individuals by
late summer or fall.  In mild climates colonies can even overwinter.
Effective control measures vary according to the circumstances.

1)  At eating areas

In a backyard, wasps can be kept under control by diligent use of traps
(next section).  Public picnic areas, however, have wasps already locked
into the readily available food supply (messy previous picnickers).  Bring
along a fly swatter and eliminate the early arrivals - other wasps are then
not recruited.  Fortunately, individuals of many yellow jacket species are
not aggressive when not near their nest.

Wasps do not hesitate to go into soft drink cans or bottles, posing a
problem for anyone not paying sufficient attention to their activities
before taking another swallow.  Neither do they hesitate to ride along on a
meat sandwich as it is put into one's mouth.  Watch out, also, for wasps
attracted to meat covered hands, fingers, or utensils.

If one places an effective trap (next section) 20-30 feet upwind from the
picnic table, the foraging wasps, when shooed away by picnickers, continue
to go upwind past the picnic table and end up in the trap .

2)  Remote treatment

Yellow jacket bait traps have been used more than a century, with one basic
characteristic in design:  Wasps will fly into a funnel (sometimes quite
small) to get at the bait provided and then cannot get out of the
transparent or translucent enclosure that incorporates the funnel.

One can buy any variety of ready-made traps with a wide range of
effectiveness.  The following two companies (among others) have produced
successful traps:  Seabright Laboratories, 4026 Harlan Street, Emeryville,
CA  94608, (800) 284-7363 or (415) 655-3126;  Sterling International, Inc.,
P.O. Box 220, Liberty Lake, WA  99019, (800) 666-6766 [FAX: (509)
928-7313].

These commercial traps can become clogged with yellow jackets in a
relatively short time during severe infestations, and then one must remove
them.  The problem then arises that live wasps may still be inside and pose
a threat.  In that case, one can place the trap in a freezer or an ice
chest, wait until the cold immobilizes them, and then empty the trap.
Alternatively, the trap can be placed in a paper or plastic bag just large
enough to contain it.  One can then spray a very small amount of electronic
parts cleaner (e.g., Electric Parts Cleaner, CRC, Warminster, PA 18974;
(215) 674-4300; Electric Motor Cleaner, Berryman, Arlington, TX  76011),
one that contains 1-1-1 Trichloroethane, into the bag and close tightly for
a few minutes.

One can also construct a simple and safe trap at virtually no cost - an
example follows.  Start with a one gallon translucent milk bottle.  With a
razor blade, cut a couple of small slits downward from one point (three
quarter inch across at the bottom), a little more than halfway up the
sides.  Bend the point so formed inward.  Fashion part of a wire coat
hanger into a hook at the bottom and thread it through a small hole
punctured into the cap so that the hook will be down about halfway to the
bottom of the bottle when inserted.  Bend the top of the coat hanger piece
so that it can be suspended from the lid.

Fill the bottle about one-third full of soapy water.  Then pierce a small
piece of turkey ham, salami, or ham (small enough to go through the bottle
opening) with the hook and put the lid, hook, and meat in place in the
bottle's neck.  Hang the bottle in a tree or bush upwind from the area
where wasps are not wanted.

You might also dig a hole and place the bottle in the ground so the
dowiwind opening is at ground level (wasps often search along the ground
for food).  If no gallon bottles are available, a one-liter transparent
soft drink bottle should suffice.

3)  Nest location known (perhaps with more than one entrance)

If one knows the location of a ground nesting colony (e.g., Vespula
pennsylvanica), the entire colony can be exterminated quite easily by using
nothing more than soapy water.  Take care, though, because these wasps are
highly defensive of their nest, usually allowing one to get no closer than
about 10 feet before attacking.  Some people prefer to treat the colony at
dawn or late evening, when activity at the entrance is less than in
mid-day.

Fill an adjustable nozzle spray bottle with water, add one level tablespoon
of liquid detergent, and shake.  Set the spray nozzle on stream, approach
>from  downwind (also from downslope or protected by bushes, if possible),
and spray wasps (guards as well as departing and returning individuals) at
the nest entrance as fast as possible from a distance of 10-15 feet
(practice at a target first to improve aim).  Wear full protection,
including a beekeeper hat and veil, if possible.

Once all activity at the entrance has ceased, pour a bucket of soapy water
into the ground through one of the entrances and block all entrances with a
shovelful or two of dirt.

4)  A take home poison

When wasp infestations become severe, you may wish to use stronger
measures.  To reduce their numbers, one can lace a desired food with poison
after yellow jackets become committed to that source of food.  With this
method, timing and procedure are somewhat critical.

Expose marauding wasps to canned cat food, such as a shrimp and tuna
mixture.  Allow the number of foragers to build up into a "feeding frenzy."
Then provide a second dish alongside the first, but one laced with a take
home poison.  Orthene (20 drops per small can of cat food)  or KNOX OUT
(trade name for a micro-encapsulated diazinon product; one-half teaspoon
per can).  Don't attempt to use straight diazinon, or the laced food will
be rejected).

Adrian M. Wenner
Prof. Emeritus (Natural History)
Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA  93106
wenner@lifesci.ucsb.edu

***************************************************************
* Adrian Wenner        E-Mail   wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu  *
* Department of Biology        Office Phone    (805) 893-2838 *
* University of California     Lab Phone       (805) 893-2838 *
* Santa Barbara, CA  93106     FAX             (805) 893-4724 *
***************************************************************

---
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From 100231.2502@CompuServe.COM Fri Sep  1 01:19:43 EDT 1995
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I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper 
in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number 
one by far......
Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at 
what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest 
townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues 
including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' 
tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and 
shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc.
Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could 
tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the 
farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know 
some ideas.

Thanks


From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:19:44 EDT 1995
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From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator)
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Subject: Re: Help!.....I Need a Queen!
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In article <41b4pa$9e7@smart1.svi.org>, Nate Saal <NateS@svi.org> writes:

>Subject:	Help!.....I Need a Queen!
>From:	Nate Saal <NateS@svi.org>
>Date:	21 Aug 1995 23:27:38 GMT
>
>My hive lost its queen a while back and I got a new one to replace
>her.  Looks like 
>as I was introducing her, a laying worker took over and so my
>replacement queen 
>didn't take.
>
>Does anybody know of any apiaries that might still be shipping
>queens?  I know it's 
>late in the season, but I'd rather not lose my hive if I can help it.
>
>I was going to try dumping the bees away from the hive and then
>requeening in hopes 
>that the laying worker(s) can't get back to the hive.  Any other
>suggestions for 
>ridding a hive of laying workers???
>
>
>Subject:	Help!.....I Need a Queen!
>From:	Nate Saal <NateS@svi.org>
>Date:	21 Aug 1995 23:27:38 GMT
>
>My hive lost its queen a while back and I got a new one to replace
>her.  Looks like 
>as I was introducing her, a laying worker took over and so my
>replacement queen 
>didn't take.
>
>Does anybody know of any apiaries that might still be shipping
>queens?  I know it's 
>late in the season, but I'd rather not lose my hive if I can help it.
>
>I was going to try dumping the bees away from the hive and then
>requeening in hopes 
>that the laying worker(s) can't get back to the hive.  Any other
>suggestions for 
>ridding a hive of laying workers???


   Once you have laying workers, it is extremely difficult to get a new
queen accepted.  It has already failed once, why waste another queen. 

   If you can get a nuc from another beekeeper, it is about your last hope
of getting the hive off and going for this season.

   A nuc is a laying queen with 3-5 frames of brood and workers.  This
will provide the young bees that your hive needs to get back in balance. 
Right now, all your bees are old, and, even if you could get a queen
established, you will go into winter with very poor chances of survival.

   If you can't find a nuc available locally, it might be best to just
hang it up for this season, and try again next spring.

   It is always a good idea to keep more than one hive.  I always
recommend a minimum of two.  Then when your hive became queenless, you
could have supplied a frame or two of brood, as you introduced your queen.
 That would greatly increase chances of acceptance, as you would have
young bees hatching around her, and caring for her.

   Most of the larger queen breeders who advertise in bee magazines ship
fall queens.  They are normally used for requeening good hives on a
scheduled basis.  Commercial beekeepers would normally combine queenless
hives back with a good hive, as requeening is almost sure to fail, this
late.

Pollinator@aol.com
Dave Green       PO Box 1215,  Hemingway,  SC   29554


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> I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper 
> in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number 
> one by far......
> Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at 
> what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest 
> townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues 
> including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' 
> tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and 
> shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc.
> Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could 
> tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the 
> farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know 
> some ideas.
> 
> Thanks
> 


More and more we see in Holland dairy farmers who install a milkingrobot
They say it is more animal friendly than the milking with the machine.
With the robot the cow can come up till six times a day to the milkingplace
Espcially with fresh calfed cows that produce more than 40 liters a
day it is a reliefe for the cows to be able to drain their milk several times
a day.
Although a robot seems in the first place very distant from relation
human/animal the practical work as such is much better than 2 times 
milking a day.,




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Mary Anne Gill <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>
> I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper 
> in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number 
> one by far......
> Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at 
> what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest 
> townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues 
> including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' 
> tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and 
> shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc.
> Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could 
> tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the 
> farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know 
> some ideas.
> 
> Thanks


where do you want to start???
emu/ostrich farming, cost benefits
effects of the el nino on New Zealand weather
alternaive farming ideas, ie trout in farm ponds
alternative marketing techniques for livestock/wool ie futures
oldest tractors still working in district
etc etc etc

hope that helps
ME


From glhat@ihug.co.nz Fri Sep  1 01:19:49 EDT 1995
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From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Terry Gosset)
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In article <41i131$70n@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, steelace@ix.netcom.com (Kevin Krebs) says:
>
>Hello,  
>        Just wanted to ask if anyone has had any experience with 
>Manuka Honey from New Zealand.  If you know what I am talking about and
>where I can get it (with the active ingredient), please E-mail me ASAP.
> I am trying different types of Honey for medicinal purposes.  I am
>interested even if you just have the manufacturers name, address, or
>what store the honey can be bought at.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>SteelAce@ix.netcom.com
>Kevin Krebs
>
>
I know a little about N.Z. honey and nectar sources. Please e-mail to glhat
@ihug.co.nz.if you want supplies.
Regards,
Terry Gosset 


From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Sep  1 01:19:50 EDT 1995
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OOP's

I did give the incorrect case price for the clam shell boxes. Mann Lake has two types of boxes. 

The fancy boxes with separate lids are 50 cents each or $48 for case of 96.

The clam shell boxes are 19 cents each or $50 for case of 300.

You mentioned that the dimensions are different for the two types. I have only used the  
clamshell type and comb honey from shallow supers fits nicely.

I'm glad you had a good experience dealing with Mann Lake. I have been using them for three 
years now and have never had a problem.

      Victor C. Rimkus
      Albuquerque NM
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From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Sep  1 01:19:52 EDT 1995
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From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris)
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In article <41miik$kru@calvino.alaska.net>
muskrat central <lacau@alaska.net> writes:
 
>
>I really would like to kill the little suckers....
>         The outside entrance where they come in is right outside my
>front door. It makes it hard for us to come and go. I can't get to the
>nest because there is no way in to the attic.
>Tony
>
 
Tony!
 
I've posted this to this and other bee related lists MANY(!) times and
I'm always amazed that people will try this bug bomb or that gasoline
trick when a very good and effective solution is probably in their closet
at home.  Give the following a shot.  IT REALLY WORKS!!!
 
          >----------  ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS  -----------<
 
A very benign, green, environmentally friendly and frugal way to get rid
of yellow jackets is to use a canister style vacuum cleaner (like a shop
vax or electrolux).  Simply place the hose next to the nest entrance on
a nice afternoon and leave it turned on for a couple of hours.  As the
yellow jackets come and go they get sucked into the vacuum.  No mess, no
pesticides, and it works!  I learned this trick from a neighbor who paid
an exterminator $50 to remove a nest of yellow jackets from their
exterior walls.  Of course you don't want to open the vacuum for a day
or two.  I assume the wasps die rather quickly with the dust and dirt in
the vacuum, but I've never opened the vacuum to find out.  I have used
this method four times without a single problem and much to the
amusement of passers by!  I prefer to avoid pesticides whenever
possible.  Be sure to change the bag in a day or two, as the decaying
yellow jackets are not something you want to leave in your vacuum.
                        >----------------<
 
Good luck!
Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee!


From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Fri Sep  1 01:19:55 EDT 1995
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Tony

A simple trap my parents have used successfully for removing a few yellow
jackets at a party might work.  You have to hope most or all the the foragers
fall
into the trap.  So there aren't any left to raise young.

Take a Quart Jar, make a cone out of window screen material with the tip of
the cone facing down.  Inside the jar, put something yellow jackets eat. 
MEAT.  The scent 
will attract them and they will enter the large part of the cone, crawl
through the
small opening deep within the jar, grab some meat and fly up to the rim.  The
never
think to crawl down to the opening where they came in.  With a large nest,
use several
jars.  Dispose of by tossing the jars in the freezer overnight, throwout the
yellow
jackets and repeat.  I don't know if this will work but it may decimate the
nest and there is almost NO danger to you!  I think that's what you may find
to be the best part of this plan

Good Luck
Evan

17808 Bonney Lk BLVD
Bonney Lk WA  USA



From kniemann@canetoad Fri Sep  1 01:19:57 EDT 1995
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 I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees and I
got to wondering....

Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ?

If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the
nectar. Wouldn't it make sense that they could tell if a flower was
depleted of nectar by some previous visitor ? If yes then how do they
do it ? If not, does that mean that they visit the same flower over and
over until it is not a flower any more ?

Do flowers replenish their nectar supply ? If so for how long? Until
they are fertilized ?

I understand that if you look at a flower in the UV spectrum that it
has patterns on it that look like runways or directional arrows
pointing inward. Presumably these are to attract and direct
pollinators. Do these markings change over time ? Are there any
physical changes to the flower when pollination has occured ?

Enough questions. Time to go home and walk among my squash.


All the Best
Karl

--


From camschel@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  1 01:19:58 EDT 1995
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In American Bee Journal of 9/95 there is an article from the men at 
Michigan State University entomology department about how they kept 
working at the idea of confining a colony of bees over a particular 
variety of plant so that they bees could only forage on that plant. 
Their initial efforts and incorrect assumptions and problems with lack 
of pollen and with insufficient food for the bees, etc. is all very 
interesting, and they deserve commendation for a well-written article 
and for following up on a fascinating idea.


From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Fri Sep  1 01:19:59 EDT 1995
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I am interested in using Copper Napthenate rather than painting my hives but
need to learn more about it.  Will the Napthenate bother the bees if the brood
champer is soaked in the liquid prior to the introduction of the bees?  Can I
use the napthenate instead of painting the hives?  Is there any problem using
honey supers dipped in Napthenate?  How long should the wood be soaked in the
Napthenate?  I am looking for a cheaper solution than painting my hives but am
not sure if Copper Napthenate is it.
dave macfawn
AT&T Global Information Solutions
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> Of course, this is all completely insane.  Selling 454g quantities of
> honey, rather than 1lb, is not metrication.

:-) Quite. My main concern was the jars, not the labels, after all I 
could just write over the label with a felt tip pen.

None of the main UK suppliers (Steele & Brodie, Thorne, or Exeter Bee 
Supplies) even offer metric jars, so I wondered what the heck was going 
on.

Mike


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In article <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Mary Anne Gill <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> says:
>
>I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper 
>in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number 
>one by far......
>
It will cost you the trade off for free exchange of information, 
is that O.K.?

I work as the Ag. Specialist at a major Utility Co.in Canada. Have an
article at work which describes how farmers who put in HPS HID Lighting
in their barns get an extra $65/Cow US return by increasing winter day 
length to 18 hours.

If you are interested will send more. I am always scouting for new 
articles in Ag. hope we can trade across the Big P for Pacific.

Sincerely,


David.


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It is no 'tradition' but based on the very sound basis that bees learn 
the location of their home, and will (within the summer period) return 
to that home base if removed within 2 miles of the home site. 
If you don't believe this, try moving a hive 20 feet and leaving an 
empty brood box on the original site...it will fill with all the 
foraging bees from your colony!




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131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300 (kniemann@canetoad) wrote:

:  I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees and I
: got to wondering....

Not sure what article you were quoting. Please cite reference.

: Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ?

: If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the
: nectar.
Two things a honeybee goes after in a flower nectar and POLLEN. How well 
a flower is pollinated depends usually on multiple visits to the flower.
 
: Wouldn't it make sense that they could tell if a flower was
: depleted of nectar by some previous visitor ? If yes then how do they
: do it ? If not, does that mean that they visit the same flower over and
: over until it is not a flower any more ?

: Do flowers replenish their nectar supply ? If so for how long? Until
: they are fertilized ?
Cucurbits are poor sources of nectar and commercial pollinators in our 
area have to feed in order that the bees don't starve. I have yet to see 
anyone market cucumber or squash honey yet an awful lot of bees are used 
for pollination. 
Jerry Worrell,Dunkirk MD
 


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In article <DE1pAH.9tH@bigtop.dr.att.com>, kniemann@canetoad
(131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300) writes:

>Subject:	Honeybee / Flower interaction musings .....
>From:	kniemann@canetoad (131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300)
>Date:	Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:59:05 GMT
>
>
> I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees
>and I got to wondering....


   Where did you see the article?  We'd like to see it, too.

>If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the nectar.

   Not necessarily.  Bees also gather pollen, which is the protein supply,
mostly used for brood and the young bees who secrete royal jelly.

   When bees gather nectar, they may accomplish some pollination, but they
do a much better job, when deliberately gathering pollen.

   Watch the bees work on your squash.  If they are gathering nectar, they
will extend their tongue and sip, then fly away.  If they are gathering
pollen, they will *doggie-paddle* through the stamens, to get as much as
possible on their own body fuzz.

    For commercial pollination, we want this.  Therefore we use hives that
are still building, which have a lot of brood to be fed, thus forcing the
bees to gather more pollen.  I want to see as much of that brood open as I
can get.  That means young, vigorous queens, plenty of room to lay, etc. 
Sometimes we stimulate them by feeding syrup during cucurbit pollination. 
 Squash, cukes, and melons do not produce much nectar.  If there are no
nectar sources in the neighboring area, the queen may shut down, and
pollination value of the hive is lost.

    For good honey production you manage in order to get the hive to peak
population, and shutting down on brood production, just as the flow
starts. Pollination management strives to have the hive about two weeks
earlier in the cycle, just as the crop starts blooming.

>Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ?

   I suspect bees leave odor trails, but I would also hope that wouldn't
stop other bees.  We want to get the bee into the blossom many times.  It
takes a lot more than one visit to get a good cuke, or squash.

   I've seen whole fields of one-visit-type pollination.  Cukes are
deformed, one end large, other small, some curled, etc.  Yellow squash
with wrinkled body, not much bigger than the neck.  Each seed needs a
grain of pollen.  Pollination releases the chemicals that make the flesh
grow, so we want as many seeds as possible pollinated, to make perfect
fruit.

   If you look at the blossom, you will see that the pollen gets used up. 
On squash, with plenty of bees, you can see that there is no more pollen,
often before noon.

   If well pollinated, the flowers wilt quicker.  If not pollinated, the
bloom stays open longer.  This quick wilt when pollinators are plentiful,
sometimes alarms farmers.

   Watch a while, and tell me what you see.

Pollinator@aol.com
Pollinator@aol.com                                   Dave Green
Dave's Pollination Service         Eastern Pollinator Newsletter
PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC    29554


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$65/Cow, for what period of time, each month, biweekly, the whole year?
OBTW: How much do dairies get per hundred weight in Canada? Rumor says around
$20/hundred, but the local coop's want us to beleave around $10 so they can
lower our price so as not to hurt your farmers. I really doubt their concern
for Canada's dairies.

We have found over a twenty year period how to maintain a heard average between
55 and 61 lbs of milk per day from holstein cattle through the prudent use
of adequate pasture, and simple feed while in the dairy of crushed corn, 
soybean, and minerals. Artificial stimulants or drugs are not used.

Geoff Slinker

> >I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper 
> >in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number 
> >one by far......
> >
> I work as the Ag. Specialist at a major Utility Co.in Canada. Have an
> article at work which describes how farmers who put in HPS HID Lighting
> in their barns get an extra $65/Cow US return by increasing winter day 
> length to 18 hours.
>


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A friend has a 'Wild Bees nest' about 15 feet up a tree. I assume that it is a
colony of domestic bees; does anyone have experience of collecting an
established colony this late in the season,
How do I go about transferring it to a hive?
Is it even worth attempting?

Pete



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>A friend has a 'Wild Bees nest' about 15 feet up a tree. I assume that it is a
>colony of domestic bees; does anyone have experience of collecting an
>established colony this late in the season,
>How do I go about transferring it to a hive?
>Is it even worth attempting?
>
Pete,

Is the colony of bees inside the tree or have they made comb on the outside? I just cut a 
section of bee tree this weekend and placed it by my apiary. I will not cut into it until next 
spring since I do not believe they will have time to build up before winter. I used a 
stethescope to listed and determine where the bees were inside. Then I cut above and below the 
occupied area. I had to take it now because the area was being cleared for a house to be built. 
If there wasn't a now or never situation I would have left it for the spring.

If the colony was on the outside (hanging under a branch) I would have collected them and 
started them in a hive with comb for a couple of weeks then combined them with an existing hive.

If they are inside, wait until spring. If they are outside, and you have a hive to combine them 
with, catch them now.

If you decide that they should be captured now, email the details and I will be glad to help.

vcrimku@sandia.gov,    Victor C. Rimkus,     Albuquerque, NM  USA
>




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Beekeeping Bk FS

Root, A.I.  The ABC and XYX of Bee Culture: An encyclopedia pertaining
to scientific and practical culture of bees.  Medina, Ohio: A.I. Root,
1978; 37th edition.  Hard cover with embossed bee and type in gold on
spine and front cover, 723 pages, index, glossary,
illustrated. Excellent condition.

$18 postage included in U.S.

reply email john@musicman.com



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originally in conference BEE-LIST MAIL on WILD BEE'S BBS

*Sad news from the other group.*

                    ----------------------------------------
From: Mary Jo Orzech <MARYJO@ACSPR1.ACS.BROCKPORT.EDU>
Date:         Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:02:53 EDT
Subject:      Edward Southwick

     With great sadness, I report to members of the Bee-l
community the death of Edward E. Southwick, last Tues. 8/22/95.
Dr. Southwick was a much loved teacher, instructor and friend.
He was an internationally recognized bee expert and taught
at the State University of New York at Brockport since 1977.
Ed was also the founder and co-owner of Bee-l, which was created
as a means for bee researchers to communicate and keep in touch
around the world.
     Raised in Midland, Mich., Dr. Southwick held a bachelor
of science degree in mechanical engineering and a masters
degree in biology from the Univ. of Michigan.  His doctoral
degree was in physiological zoology from Washington State
Univerity.
     Southwick died of pancreatic cancer; he was 52.  He is survived
by his wife, Alrun Southwick, and two daughters, Stephanie Lisa
Southwick of San Antonio, Texas and Antje Southwick of Ann Arbor,
Michigan.  His passing is an enormous loss to us all.

Mary Jo Orzech
Academic Computing Services
SUNY Brockport
Brockport, Ny 14420


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*FYI* ripped off the b-list.

From: Adrian Wenner <wenner@LIFESCI.LSCF.UCSB.EDU>
Date:         Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:46:27 PDT
Subject:      Re: dance controversy

>What is the current consensus on the "waggle dance" controversy?  I thought
>that the robot bee work reported in National Geographic a few years ago had
>proved Von Frisch correct but I came across a recent book by Wenner and
>Wells still arguing in favour of the odour hypothesis.

   No, from our perspective, the "robot bee" did not settle the issue, as
reviewed in one of our papers (1991  Wenner, A.M., D. Meade, and L. J.
Friesen.   Recruitment, search behavior, and flight ranges of honey bees.
American Zoologist.  31(6):768-782).

   Those who would focus on experiments with odor transport downwind from
food sources and hive placement have a strong future for obtaining
rewarding results.  Next month I will be presenting the following abstract
at the AMERICAN BEE RESEARCH CONFERENCE in Georgia (one that will be
published in the December issue of the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL):

--DRAFT--

*********

   A recent claim (Webster & Caron, Bee Culture 123:403-406): "The evidence
for dance language is strong," ignored 13 salient points published 21 years
earlier in the same publication (Wells & Wenner, Gleanings in Bee Culture
102:110-111,127).  I update and expand upon those points here.


   The dance maneuver information is not sufficiently accurate to account
for supportive experimental results obtained by language proponents;
rather, the experimental designs used apparently funnel recruits into
"intended" sites.  Von Frisch recognized in 1937 (Wenner, with von Frisch,
Bee World 74:90-98) - that one gets no recruits with no odor.  However, von
Frisch (and others at the time) failed to perceive that his 1940s
experiments lacked necessary controls against odor influencing results;
later, his results did not survive tests in double-controlled and strong
inference experiments.  Only by using odor in single controlled experiments
can one obtain supportive results; thus, one can no longer justifiably
explain "positive" results with an uncritical assumption of "language."

   Recruit search behavior is remarkably inefficient.  Most recruits
require several flights out from the hive before locating the target food
source, are in the air many times longer than necessary for a direct
flight, and succeed only rarely unless one provides sufficient odor at the
site.  One can easily see that recruits always fly zigzag into a target
site from far downwind (binoculars help).  If an array of stations is
provided, recruits end up near the center of all - although a slight wind
blowing along a line of stations can alter an expected distribution.
Despite dancing, recruitment more than 400m downwind from a hive is
negligible unless many foragers make round trips and thereby provide an
aerial pathway of odor.

   Crop-attached bees require no dancing for re-recruitment; they will
immediately return to their foraging area on the basis of an odor stimulus
alone.  New recruits, by contrast, do not begin arriving in quantity until
almost an hour after foragers begin regular trips and increase in frequency
per unit time even if the number of dancing bees is held constant.  Recruit
success is thus dependent more upon the cumulative number of forager trips
(with time and with odor accumulation in the hive) than upon the number of
foragers involved.  Success rate depends upon odor concentration but not
upon Nasonov gland secretions at the food source or upon dance frequency in
the hive.  Finally, recruits attending disoriented dances (dances without
direction information) can still find the "correct" site in the field.

   No one seems to dispute the above known facts, so clearly researchers
have grossly neglected the role of odor in honey bee recruitment.
Furthermore, no one seems willing to provide a concise scientific statement
of the language hypothesis, one that can accommodate all known facts.  For
those who wish to understand foraging ecology, an increased emphasis on the
role of odor in honey bee recruitment should be very rewarding.

   One can find a quite complete 1990 summary of most of the above points
(Wenner & Wells,  Anatomy of a Controversy:  The Question of a "Language"
Among Bees.  Columbia University Press) and a brief 1991 exposition
elsewhere (Wenner et al., American Zoologist  31:768-782).

********

   I feel that one must give more than lip service to the role of odor,
since it is a very tangible, measurable, and usable communication channel.

                                                Adrian


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From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep  1 01:20:11 EDT 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: propolis off clothesYou might want to try the cheapest hair spray
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:21:00 GMT
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ou can find at your local

originally in conference BEE-LIST MAIL on WILD BEE'S BBS

*This message is worth saving as it may be the answer to a problem
that many beekeepers have faced. How to get bee glue out of your
cloths from a bee list poster in Chile. I don't know if it works
but it sure sounds like its worth a try.
                                          ttul Andy-


From: "Marion L.Bristow" <mbristow@[146.83.231.10]>
Date:         Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:35:43 CST
Subject:      Re: propolis off clothes

   You might want to try the cheapest hair spray you can find at your local
drug store . Just spray it on the propolis and soak it in warm water .
This works great for ink stains .

Marion L.Bristow - Jefe , Seccion Informatica
Agriculture Sciences Campus
Universidad de Concepcion , Campus Chillan
Casilla 537
Chillan , Chile
e-mail: mbristow@palomo.chillan.udec.cl
---
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From denniss@solar.sky.net Fri Sep  1 01:20:12 EDT 1995
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From: denniss@solar.sky.net (Dennis R. Schneider)
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Does any one have any info on a bee sting therapy for
Multiple-sclerosis patiients.  My friend is doing a paper for college
and is trying to find info on this type of therapy.  Any help would be
appriciated you can post to the group or email me .

Thanks
Tara
email (denniss@solar.sky.net)



From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Fri Sep  1 01:20:13 EDT 1995
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From: lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu (Lou Bjostad)
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In article <422g4a$5d6@alpha.sky.net>, denniss@solar.sky.net (Dennis R.
Schneider) wrote:

> Does any one have any info on a bee sting therapy for
> Multiple-sclerosis patiients.  My friend is doing a paper for college
> and is trying to find info on this type of therapy.  Any help would be
> appriciated you can post to the group or email me .

See Bee Sting Therapy by Glenn Rothfeld, M.D., at

   http://www.shore.net/~spectrum/apitherapy.html

=====================================================================
Lou Bjostad, Fort Collins, Colorado      lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu
=====================================================================


From delair@sasknet.sk.ca Fri Sep  1 01:20:15 EDT 1995
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You want a firecracker?  Rumor has it, Holland , and the rest of Europe 
are running out of room for hogs.  They have two choices; get out of the 
business or move around the globe.  North America is a likely welcome 
spot, but you might see if Kiwis would welcome them.  The world eats a 
pile of pork, I'll tell you.  China alone eats close to 25 million 
tonnes!

I am involved in the public side of selling communities on hog projects.  
"Not in My Back Yard" is a common roadblock to farmers establishing new 
operations.  This is usually fueled by fears of water contamination or 
sleepless nights with the smell of pig shit in your quiet country home.  
Interesting, farmers complain against other farmers, it is not always an 
urban rural problem.





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In article <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, <delair@sasknet.sk.ca> writes:
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> 
> You want a firecracker?  Rumor has it, Holland , and the rest of Europe 
> are running out of room for hogs.  They have two choices; get out of the 
> business or move around the globe.  North America is a likely welcome 
> spot, but you might see if Kiwis would welcome them.  The world eats a 
> pile of pork, I'll tell you.  China alone eats close to 25 million 
> tonnes!
> 
> I am involved in the public side of selling communities on hog projects.  
> "Not in My Back Yard" is a common roadblock to farmers establishing new 
> operations.  This is usually fueled by fears of water contamination or 
> sleepless nights with the smell of pig shit in your quiet country home.  
> Interesting, farmers complain against other farmers, it is not always an 
> urban rural problem.
> 
> 
> 
> 
In Holland we have indeed that problem. Local newspapers give an easy
ear to all kind of rubbish stories from opposers of the new pigfarmers who
move from the dense pig-areas to the open areas of airabele farming
in the southwest of the netherlands.
But the pigfarmers are forced by the law to build such high sophisticated
pighouses that no smell or NH3 will escape.
The pigs in there, are better of than 2/3 of the worldpopulation.



From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Sep  1 01:20:17 EDT 1995
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From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe)
Subject: Re: Weights & Measures in the UK
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In article <DE288u.D2v@cix.compulink.co.uk> rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Mike Davies") writes:
>
>> Of course, this is all completely insane.  Selling 454g quantities of
>> honey, rather than 1lb, is not metrication.
>
>:-) Quite. My main concern was the jars, not the labels, after all I 
>could just write over the label with a felt tip pen.
>
>None of the main UK suppliers (Steele & Brodie, Thorne, or Exeter Bee 
>Supplies) even offer metric jars, so I wondered what the heck was going 
>on.

My understanding is that, apart from very small quantities (under about
2oz, I think), the legal situation is as follows:

Until this October, honey can only be sold in a number of specified
multiples and sub-multiples of 1lb.

>From  October onwards, honey can only be sold in a number of specified
multiples and sub-multiples of 454g.

What's the difference?  Only the labels.  That's why I called the
situation insane!

-- 
Malcolm Roe                                Phone  :  +44 1442 345104
Crosfield Electronics Ltd                  Fax    :  +44 1442 343000
Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK        E-mail :  roe@crosfield.co.uk 
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From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sun Oct  8 00:42:39 EDT 1995
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From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey
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In article <477@altheim.win-uk.net>, broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R.
Oldham) wrote:

> [deletions]   If the primary flower source is named then it can be
> expensive, otherwise it is blended (a bit like the difference between
> single malt whisky and blended).
> 
>[deletions]
> Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out
> with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot
> pressing?  What else do they do to it?
> 

Remember that the bees do quite a bit of blending themselves.  They gather
>from  one particular source until it runs out, then they switch to something
else.  I'd be hard pressed to identify what flower was the source of any of
my honey because we have such a mix in my area (suburban Philadelphia).  On
bland honey, I had a lovely crop of very light, very mild honey this
spring, several shades lighter than normal.  I suspect local consumers
would consider this a premium honey, even though I personally prefer a
darker honey with more flavor...which I'll get from the summer/fall crop.

Bottom line: honey is a natural product, and as such is not consistent. 
The bees themselves can produce honey that is like the supermarket stuff,
even without human intervention.  (Isn't clover honey the supermarket
standard?)  They can also produce delightful honeys ranging over several
shades, in several assertive flavors.  I'll concur in another posting that
said, get as close as possible to the producer.

-- 
John Taylor    (W3ZID)      |  "The opinions expressed are those of the
e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com |   writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."


From yrh@fox.nstn.ca Sun Oct  8 00:42:40 EDT 1995
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From: yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin)
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Subject: Looking for Plans - Honey Bottling Equipment
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Hi

I am going to build a container to put honey in prior to bottling. 
It will be stainless steel with a water jacket/heater. Does anyone
know where I can get plans for one. Either post replay or email to 
yrh@fox.nstn.ca

Thanks


From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:41 EDT 1995
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From: Ted Fischer <tvf@umich.edu>
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Subject: Re: Can bees run out of pollen?
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Nate Saal <NateS@svi.org> wrote:
>I know that beekeepers often have to feed thier hives during the winter so
>that teh bees do not run out of honey/food, but has anybody ever supply their
>hives with pollen?
>
>I ask because I have a weak hive that is going into the winter (in CA, so
>it's on the milder side) and it has very little stored pollen.  The hive
>had a laying worker for about a month, during which most of the stored 
>pollen was used and the hive had little incentive to collect more since
>their numbers were down and very few laying worker eggs were being laid.
>
>I dumped the hive and installed a queen and by some miracle, the queen took.
>As happy as I am, after looking in the hive I worry why the queen is not 
>laying more eggs than she is.  Could it be that they don't have the pollen
>to feed the growing larva?  Most of the flowers have bloomed and died, so
>that, combined with small population problem, makes me wonder.
>
>Is this going to be a problem?  If so, is there any way to remedy it?
>
>thanks for the help,
>
>nate
>
Yes, substitute pollen patties are available from most bee supply stores and I feel it would be desirable to give it to your hive if=
 you suspect that their pollen stores will not be adequate for the winter.  However, the reason the queen is not producing many eggs=
 is probably because this is the normal season for her to curtail brood production until late winter.  If the hive is really small, =
you may have a problem overwintering it even if the winter is mild.  Try combining it with another hive, if you have one.




From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:42 EDT 1995
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adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote:
> Pine needles from white pine, _Pinus strobus_ are my favorite smoker fuel.
>
>Adam
>-- 
	I absoultely agree.  'Glad to see someone else has such good taste
in smoker fuel.


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From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:43 EDT 1995
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>Last year in Kyrghz., I met an old bee-keeper 
>who showed me how he annoyed the bees to make 
>them mad and discharge their venom. When the venom 
>was dry he scraped up the venom as a white powder, 
>which is highly toxic. He asked me to find a Western
>buyer, but I have so far been unsuccessful. 
>
>Helpful suggestions would be much appreciated.
>-- 
>Michael Smedley
Michael,
	I've heard others tell the same story.  They apparently make many
pounds of it. Unfortunately, there seems to only be a limited use
for it so the supply can greatly outreach the demand.
	SB


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From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:43 EDT 1995
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Ted Fischer <tvf@umich.edu> wrote:
>Yesterday, I set out to one of my yards to put in Apistan strips.  I 
>usually do this about the end of August, but this was an unusually 
>rushed year, so I didn't get around to it until now.  Four weeks ago I 
>harvested an average of 125 lbs of honey from these 15 very strong hives 
>(at that time filling three hive bodies plus up to six medium depth 
>supers).  Much to my surprise, six of the colonies had died out, leaving 
>no bees at all in the hive; seven were extremely weak and most of these 
>were queenless; only two were what I would call moderate in strength.  I 
>saw many dead and dying bees on the ground in the vicinity of the 
>beeyard, and can only surmise that the colonies were victims of the 
>varroa mite.  I had always been able to control the mite with timely 
>applications of Apistan, and so never realized the devastation possible 
>in so short a time!  I am a much sadder (and poorer) but wiser beekeeper 
>after this experience.  Has anyone else seen anything like this happen 
>so rapidly?  (Incidentally, two of the hives showed AFB as well, but I 
>wonder if this might be a stress response to varroa?)
>

	Been there.  Done it.  I usually treat about the first of August.
I don't know how AFB enters into your equation, too, but Vmites can
do it too.  Think about it.  If no brood successfully hatched out
for two months, what would be left.  Hives under severe Vmite pressure
sometimes abscond or collapse near the end.



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From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:44 EDT 1995
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Marjorie Smedley <marjorie@msmedley.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>jratkay's enquiry about a customer for bee-venom 
>also interests me. I often work in the Former 
>Soviet Union (FSU), several visits to Russia and 
>Kazakhstan this year and to Kyrghyzstan in 1994. 
>In both republics there is a lot of honey production.
>
>Last year in Kyrghz., I met an old bee-keeper 
>who showed me how he annoyed the bees to make 
>them mad and discharge their venom. When the venom 
>was dry he scraped up the venom as a white powder, 
>which is highly toxic. He asked me to find a Western
>buyer, but I have so far been unsuccessful. 
>
>Helpful suggestions would be much appreciated.
>-- 
>Michael Smedley

There may potentially be a market for bee venom if one were to contact
a chemical or biochemical company.  For example, I just checked the 
Sigma Chemical Company listing on the internet and find that their 
catalog lists several types of bee venom.  They do buy from local 
suppliers, for several years ago I sold a batch of propolis to Sigma.




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From: Youruserid@tznet.com (Keith A. Smith)
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I am a beekeeper in Wisconsin and am looking for others within the state that 
have any ideals, comments, and information on the hobby/business


From nickw@wave.co.nz Sun Oct  8 00:42:46 EDT 1995
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Reg Clark who owns (owned) Sunflora has put it up for sale, I know.

I'll find out what is happening and repost to the list.

------------------------------------
Nick Wallingford, President
National Beekeepers Assn of NZ
nickw@wave.co.nz
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From Humphrys@edc.org Sun Oct  8 00:42:47 EDT 1995
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Can anyone give me the approximate density of Honey?  I've checked
a number of references, but to no avail.

I'll be happy to convert from whatever dimensions you may have this
in (lbs per gallon, kg/litre, lbs/cubic inch, lb/oz,... ).

Thanks in advance,

Michael




From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct  8 00:42:48 EDT 1995
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broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) wrote:
>>However, on a recent holiday in the south of England, I brought back a
>jar of local honey, and the label clearly said "Cold Pressed". It was
>thick and cloudy and had bits floating about in it.  I wasn't too
>worried about that. But it was delicious. It had real, distinct flavour.
>Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out
>with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot
>pressing?  What else do they do to it?
>
>What do you guys think?
>
Brian,
	I can only speak in generalities, but in the US the trend is for
a honey light in color and mild in flavor.  It is what sells best
probably because it is least objectionable to the majority.
If you like strong honey or a specific flavor, purchase from a
local beekeeper.  Trash in your honey does not mean it is good product
though you are probably correct in thinking that it has not be filtered.
The definition of cold pressed is open to interpretation, but it may
mean that it was not extracted from a comb in the modern method.
The comb may have been mechanically destroyed and the honey strained
out through a rough strainer.
	You may also have encountered some heather honey which is very
thixiotropic, i.e. it doesn't run very well.  Often it doesn't work
in modern extractors so the comb is crushed and the honey drains.
	Buy what you like and from someone you trust.  I think store bought
honey is quality to the overwhelmingly large extent.


***************************************************************
Steve Bambara  Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695
steve_bambara@ncsu.edu    (919) 515-1661    fax (919) 515-7273




From karen@angelo.amd.com Sun Oct  8 00:42:49 EDT 1995
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From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
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rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) writes:
>> Sometimes I have the impression that it isn't as
>>tasty as it ought to be. The labels seldom give much information about
>>the product. If the primary flower source is named then it can be
>>expensive, otherwise it is blended (a bit like the difference between
>>single malt whisky and blended).
>You have hit the nail on the head - "supermarket honey" is (gernerally)
>blended - the reason is that the marketing "experts" seem to think that
>consumers demand consistent products - they always want the honey to taste
>the same when they open the jar (so say the marketing geniuses) - the only
>problem is that honey can vary significantly due to variations in nectar
>sources. So, the big honey packers (at least in the USA) blend their
>honey so that they produce a consistent product, one that is more "marketable
>to the masses".

Speaking as someone who does a fair amount of cooking with honey, a mild
consistent product is just what I want.  If I'm eating plain honey,
however, I may prefer something more distinctive.  

One can't argue taste.

Karen Black
--
karen@angelo.amd.com		DoD #250:  SR250, GB500, HD Sprint SS250

"If I'm typecast as a genius, who cares?"
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From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct  8 00:42:50 EDT 1995
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yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) wrote:

>I am going to build a container to put honey in prior to bottling. 
>It will be stainless steel with a water jacket/heater
Dan,
   I don't know of any plans for one but the Walter T. Kelly Co.
(502-242-2012 in Kentucky) sell a s.s. 'Grocers Tank' that makes an
excellant bottling tank for $177.  It is a double boiler type design
and comes with a heater for that price.  I use one with the brass
'self closing honey valve' they make.  It works great!
Busy Knight
Dallas, TX



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josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) wrote:

> I don't suppose any one might know what I can expect to pay for a packet of 
>bees in the US ?
Joseph,
   The followoing three examples are quoted from 1995 price lists.
This is a very narrow sample but representive of the prices in the US.

   Walter T. Kelley (state location: Kentucky)
     	2 pound package of bees with queen  =  $22.50
	3 pound package of bees with queen =   $27.50
   
   Rossman Apiaries (state location: Georgia)
	2 pound package of bees with queen =   $28.00
	3 pound package of bees with queen =   $33.00

   Weaver Apiaries (state location: Texas)
	2 pound package of bees with queen =   $29.50
	3 pound package of bees with queen =   $35.50


   All of the above prices are for Italian race bees and for a
quantity of one package.  The prices reduce a little (but not much) if
you order over a quantity of ten.
BusyKnight
Dallas, Texas



From bente@deakin.edu.au Sun Oct  8 00:42:52 EDT 1995
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I am an Australian beekeeper looking for a silicone candle
mould. The mould is white with inside profiles, and 
closed off with rubber bands. Many different types exists
and I can import them from Denmark (my country of orign.) and
>from  England. However, I want to import them there to Australia
and need to get in contact with the producer. I have an idea
that it is a German product and sold under the name
'Hobby Kreation'. Maybe there is a similar product in the USA
Can anyone help, please.
We, my Australian husband and I, are about to requeen. We have
ordered queens from Kangooru Island this year and want to make
some queen-sisters from them. We are trying to get our Jenter
Kit drawn out at the moment. Cape weed and Gorce is flowering 
and we have not had to feed the bees this winter.
regards
Bente



From mjensen@crl.com Sun Oct  8 00:42:53 EDT 1995
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In article <44pqh4$rco@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au>, Bente Schjeflo
<bente@deakin.edu.au> wrote:

> 'Hobby Kreation'. Maybe there is a similar product in the USA
> Can anyone help, please.

I have made candle molds from a Dow Corning silicone called HS II RTV. It
is a two part, white silicon compound that has good durability and
flexibility. It is expensive but the molds last forever.

Mark Jensen              Double J Apiaries        mjensen@crl.com


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From: broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham)
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Following on from my thread about cold pressed honey, I have another
tale to tell. BTW I should like to thank Karen and Rick for their
helpful comments and advice.

Last summer I got hold of one of those tourist leaflets about the
lavender fields in Norfolk (England).

Now, many years ago I procured a jar of French lavender honey. Sadly, I
can't for the life of me remember where I got it. It was very dark in
colour, thick, and had a strong and distinctive flavour.  So I filled
the car with my wife and some petrol and we toddled off to Norfolk
intending to come back with half a dozen 2LB jars of lavender honey.

Well we found the lavender fields. To be accurate, we found the car
and coach parks first - very nearly as big as the lavender fields. We
entered the beautifully paved reception area through an arched pergola
and found a small tea shoppe and a rustic arty/crafty shoppe and a
garden shoppe. I eventually found what I was looking for. The lavender
honey. Unfortunately they didn't have 2Lb jars. In fact they only did
one size - 4oz pots - the kind you take home as a present for granny. 
It was all crystallized and lighter in colour than I expected, and the
price was more than I usually pay for whole 1Lb of supermarket honey. 
Needless to say I came home disappointed. 

Am I naive or what?

Brian

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 I don't suppose any one might know what I can expect to pay for a packet of 
bees in the US ?


From owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz Sun Oct  8 00:42:55 EDT 1995
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From: owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson)
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I'm looking for Sunflora Apiaries of Blenheim, (New Zealand) who used to
supply me with good queens. Phone calls are getting a disconnected signal.
Unfortunately directory enquiries doesn't know their new no (if they have
one), and I don't have a name.

Any clues?

...........
Owen Watson
...........


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In article <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk>,
PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk wrote:

[clip]
>On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in
>thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this
>follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most
>chemical processes?

Yes, that is what I was thinking of. Please bear in mind that I am not
a chemist, so my "facts" are certainly open to interpretation! In addition
to the hmf content issue, I have heard that heating honey can cause it to
darken some. I am unsure how heating impacts flavor (or flavour), although
taken to the extreme, one can taste the carmelization when the honey gets
burned.

Rick

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In article <44picr$tj@tristram.edc.org>, Michael Humphrys
<Humphrys@edc.org> wrote:

>Can anyone give me the approximate density of Honey?  I've checked
>a number of references, but to no avail.

A five gallon (US) bucket is about 60 lbs of honey, which gives 12 lbs
per gallon. This is 1.5 times as heavy as water, which is 8 lbs per gallon.
That is a rough number, as the density will change a bit with moisture
content (the higher the moisture, the lower the density)

Rick Hough
rshough@tasc.com
A beekeeper from just a bit NE of Boston, Massachusetts.


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In article <477@altheim.win-uk.net> broldham@altheim.win-uk.net  writes:
> 
> However, on a recent holiday in the south of England, I brought back a
> jar of local honey, and the label clearly said "Cold Pressed". It was
> thick and cloudy and had bits floating about in it.  I wasn't too
> worried about that. But it was delicious. It had real, distinct flavour.
> Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out
> with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot
> pressing?  What else do they do to it?
> 
> What do you guys think?

I can't speak on Cold Pressed honey - guess pressing per se is normally
associated with heather honey - or the mysterious and cost-accountant
driven sources and processes supermarket suppliers use, but would 
support those who say honey shouldn't have odd bits in it. 
We use vacuum assisted filtering.
Our view on supermarket honey is best summarised by the text we 
use on our back label:

Quote:
English Beekeepers' Honey is a totally natural product, collected by
honeybees from locally growing flowers. The label should always
quote a precise area or place of origin. The colour and flavour

(or color and flavor if you prefer:-) 

will vary from month to month and year to year, depending on the crop, 
so we always quote the extraction date, just like a wine vintage. 
No-one has yet determined a true "best before" date for honey 
(good honey came out of the tombs of the Pharoahs) but if you can 
bear to keep it rather than eat it we suggest you keep it in a cool 
dark cupboard and use within five years. 
All honey, except honey heavily processed on a large scale, will
granulate with time. This is natural and many people prefer the 
enhanced texture. If you prefer it less firm for spreading, remove the
metal cap and put it in the microwave for about ten to fifteen seconds.

End quote.

On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in
thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this
follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most
chemical processes?

-- 
Peter Hill,                        | Many people enjoy music without
Grimsby, England. G7IOY            | wishing to understand the contents
peterh@humbhony.demon.co.uk        | - rather like eating a sausage.
Grimsby BKA.                       | (Marc Sabatella, 1992)


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California State Beekeepers Association, Lake Tahoe, Nevada

                1995 TENTATIVE 106th CONVENTION PROGRAM
                     ^^^^^^^^^
Mon., Nova. 13    3:00 PM  Board of Directors Meeting

Tues., Nov. 14   8:00 AM  Registration and Commercial Exhibits Open
                 9:00 AM  Opening Ceremonies and Committee Reports
                11:00 AM  Update on Anti-Dumping Suit     Troy Fore
                11:30 AM  Pollination Survey Results      Kevin Roberts
                12:00 PM  Lunch
                 1:15 PM  Beekeeping:  Nevada Style        Leonard Joy
                                           Nevada Dept. of Agriculture
                 2:00 PM  Apitherapy:  From the Master     Charles Mraz
                 2:30 PM  Selling Honey as a Gourmet Food  Sherry Jennings
                          Specialty                        National Honey Board
                 3:15 PM  Break
                 3:35 PM  Commercial Honey House Operations   Bob Miller
                 4:15 PM  Apistan Update                Oscar Coindreau, Zoecon
                 7:30 PM  Social Hour, Cookies and Refreshments Esther Wright
                                                        American Honey Queen
                 8:15 PM  Evening with Charles Mraz     Charles Mraz

Wed., Nov. 15    8:00 AM  Registration Continues
                 8:30 AM  Current Research ?            Dr. Kirk Visscher
                 9:15 AM  Almond Board Bee Research     Rick Souza
                                                        California Almond Board
                10:00 AM  Break
                10:15 AM  Honey Sales and Promotion     Judy Gulleson
                                                        Commercial Beekeeper
                11:00 AM  Bear Facts Revisited          Shannon Wooten
                11:30 AM  Need for Research Panel       Joe Traynor
                                                        Bruce Beekman
                                                        Gene Brandi
                12:00 PM  Research Luncheon             Dr. Kirk Visscher
                                                        UC Riverside
                 2:00 PM  Sioux Honey Association Meeting

                Afternoon Free

Thurs., Nov. 16  8:00 AM  Registration Continues
                 8:30 AM  Planning for Retirement        John Allanson
                                                         Financial Consultant
                 9:15 AM  Wax Rendering                  Alan Mikolich
                                                         David Bradshaw
                 9:50 AM  Break
                10:15 AM  Staying in Touch               Ria deGrassi
                                                         California Farm Bureau
                10:45 AM  TBA                          CDFA Pesticide Regulator
                11:30 AM  Lunch
                 1:00 PM  Wooten's Year on Film           Glenda Wooten
                 1:30 PM  Annual Business Meeting
                 3:30 PM  Auction                         Wilse Morgan
                 6:45 PM  Social Hour
                 7:30 PM  Annual Banquet and Awards

Fri., Nov. 17    7:30 AM  Breakfast Board Meeting

For more information via internet e-mail to: 95program.csba@beenet.com
will return this program and Registration Instructions and Information.

Pre registration ends November 6, 1995. OR you can call Kathy Brandi,
CSBA Sectary at 209-826-8065, voice/fax.


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From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct  8 00:42:59 EDT 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Tri-State Conference, Oct. 5-7. Ridpath Hotel, Spokane, WA
Date: Thu,  5 Oct 1995 01:39:00 GMT
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*ripped off the internet highway*

From: Jerry J Bromenshenk <jjbmail@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:20:20 -0600
Subject:      Tri-State Conference, Oct. 5-7. Ridpath Hotel, Spokane, WA
                                    ^^^^^^^^
Hi:

I have been asked to provide more information about the Spokane
beekeeping meeting of the Idaho, Oregon, and Washington Beekeepers.

If you wish to attend and haven't received notice of the meeting, they
encourage new members.  Contact Walt Peterson, 509-926-1188, 6603 S.
Conklin, Green Acres, WA  99016.   Walt says they need more members and
would be delighted to see some new faces.  However, he would like you to
call him and say you are coming so he can make adjustments in terms of
the Banquet reservations.


Ok, a quick summary of the agenda.  Registration is Thursday evening at
7, followed by a Mead, Wine, and Cheese social.

Friday:

7       Breakfast and Registration (wear badge)
8:30    Welcome
8:45    Where is Apiculture Headed - Jim Bach
9:15    What Have We Learned about Varroa Mites - Tom Rinderer
10:15   Refreshments
10:30   Honey Bee Repellants - Dan Mayer
11:15   Genetic Heritage of Honey Bees ...Future for Breeding - Walt Sheppard
12      Lunch
1:15    What is Going on at Carl Hayden Bee Lab - Eric Erickson
2:00    Beekeeping in Thialand - Mike Burgett
2:45    Beekeeping Trends ... From North of the Border - Paul Van Westenberg
3:30    State Business Meetings - Idaho, Washington, Oregon
5       Social Hour
6       Banquet
7       Auction

Saturday

7       Breakfast
8       NEEM to Treat Colonies - T.P. Liu
9       What's New with Mites in NW - Mike Burgett
10      Break
10:15   Using State of the Art Technology ... - Jerry Bromenshenk
11:15   The Packers Role and Concerns - Don Griggs
12      Lunch (on your own)
1:15    American Beekeeping Federation Program - Lee Heine
2       National Honey Board Goings On - Carl VanWechel
3       Beekeeping in Egypt - Jim Bach

"I shortened titles of talks and dropped all of the Drs, to keep this
shorter - JJB"
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From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sun Oct  8 00:43:00 EDT 1995
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From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey
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In article <rshough-0410951321310001@rshough.read.tasc.com>,
rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote:

> In article <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk>,
> PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> [clip]
> >On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in
> >thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this
> >follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most chemical processes?
> 
> [deletions]    I have heard that heating honey can cause it to
> darken some. I am unsure how heating impacts flavor (or flavour), although
> taken to the extreme, one can taste the carmelization when the honey gets
> burned.

This is pretty subjective, but the honey that I heated to extract from
cappings by melting the wax in a microwave oven seemed to be darker and
have a slightly sharper flavour than what came out of the extractor
unheated.

-- 
John Taylor    (W3ZID)      |  "The opinions expressed are those of the
e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com |   writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."


From WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  8 00:43:01 EDT 1995
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In article <44u5n6$jil@globe.indirect.com> Estascy@euphoria.com  writes:

> I.C.P., Suite 578-101, 5360 E. Bay Dr., Clwr., FL 34624
> 
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> 
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Wouldn't you say that this a triffle off-topic in this newsgroup ?

-- 
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Bedfordshire, England
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From mculotta@mirage.bbn.com Sun Oct  8 00:43:04 EDT 1995
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From: mculotta@mirage.bbn.com (Mark Culotta)
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Subject: Preparing hives for the winter
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Hello, 

This is my second year keeping bees.  The first, I had a single hive
which didn't survive the winter.  I checked carefully for varroa and
AFB and didn't find either.  Since I really didn't prepare the hive in
any way, I'm guessing this is where things wnet wrong.

This year, I have two hives.  The first is much larger and more
vigorous than last year's hive and I expect it should survive just
fine.  The second is not as strong as I got the bees later in the
spring, but is likewise in better shape than last year's hive.

What, if anything,  should I do to the hives/bees to ensure survival?

Thanks,
Mark Culotta






From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:05 EDT 1995
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From: "William J. Morrison" <wjmorr@ark.ship.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Mite damage
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Ted,

					Two of my four colonies here in Southcentral Pennsylvania are 
showing symptoms such as you describe.  One is queenless and both have 
brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are 
capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, 
very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color.  
There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell.  There 
are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been 
fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the cap's centers 
and the holes have beaded edges.  I do not understand why these cells 
were not normally capped.
					I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel 
that if I had, they would have been in better shape.  The queens in them 
were not as good as in my other two hives.  I should mention that both 
of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop.
					I would be very interested to learn more about  exactly what is 
going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be 
present in my sick hives.)

Bill Morrison					wjmorr@ark.ship.edu  (In the Cumberland Valley 
																																									of Pennsylvania)




From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:06 EDT 1995
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From: "William J. Morrison" <wjmorr@ark.ship.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Mite damage
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Ted,

					Two of my four colonies here in Southcentral Pennsylvania are 
showing symptoms such as you describe.  One is queenless and both have 
brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are 
capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, 
very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color.  
There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell.  There 
are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been 
fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the cap's centers 
and the holes have beaded edges.  I do not understand why these cells 
were not normally capped.
					I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel 
that if I had, they would have been in better shape.  The queens in them 
were not as good as in my other two hives.  I should mention that both 
of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop.
					I would be very interested to learn more about  exactly what is 
going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be 
present in my sick hives.)

Bill Morrison					wjmorr@ark.ship.edu  (In the Cumberland Valley 
																																									of Pennsylvania)




From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:06 EDT 1995
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From: "William J. Morrison" <wjmorr@ark.ship.edu>
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Subject: Re: Mite damage
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Ted,

					Two of my four colonies here in Southcentral Pennsylvania are 
showing symptoms such as you describe.  One is queenless and both have 
brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are 
capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, 
very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color.  
There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell.  There 
are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been 
fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the caps' centers 
and the holes have beaded edges.  I do not understand why these cells 
were not normally capped.
					I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel 
that if I had, they would have been in better shape.  The queens in them 
were not as good as in my other two hives.  I should mention that both 
of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop.
					I would be very interested to learn more about  exactly what is 
going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be 
present in my sick hives.)

Bill Morrison					wjmorr@ark.ship.edu  (In the Cumberland Valley 
																																									of Pennsylvania)




From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:07 EDT 1995
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From: "William J. Morrison" <wjmorr@ark.ship.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Mite damage
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Ted,

What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in 
two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 
100 lbs. of honey each.  One of them is queenless and both have brood 
frames with large central areas cleared out.  I believe that I saw the 
white specks indicating varroa feces.  Around the perimeter of the empty 
brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white 
contents. They are not ropy and have no odor.  I noticed a few 
purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look 
healthy.  The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if 
the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open.  This 
puzzles me.  I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a 
touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa 
infestation.  I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips,
menthol, and terramycin in grease patties.  One last comment:  I had one 
colony  headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen  that was not treated last 
fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely 
strong right through winter and spring.  But it swarmed twice and I only 
caught one of the swarms.   As they always tell us, a vigorous queen 
makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention.  I would 
like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a 
devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into
the devastation.  I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but 
have diagnosed trachael mites in past years.

Bill Morrison				wjmorr@ark.ship.edu
(Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania)




From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:08 EDT 1995
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From: "William J. Morrison" <wjmorr@ark.ship.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Mite damage
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Ted,

What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in 
two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 
100 lbs. of honey each.  One of them is queenless and both have brood 
frames with large central areas cleared out.  I believe that I saw the 
white specks indicating varroa feces.  Around the perimeter of the empty 
brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white 
contents. They are not ropy and have no odor.  I noticed a few 
purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look 
healthy.  The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if 
the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open.  This 
puzzles me.  I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a 
touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa 
infestation.  I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips,
menthol, and terramycin in grease patties.  One last comment:  I had one 
colony  headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen  that was not treated last 
fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely 
strong right through winter and spring.  But it swarmed twice and I only 
caught one of the swarms.   As they always tell us, a vigorous queen 
makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention.  I would 
like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a 
devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into
the devastation.  I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but 
have diagnosed trachael mites in past years.

Bill Morrison				wjmorr@ark.ship.edu
(Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania)




From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:09 EDT 1995
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From: "William J. Morrison" <wjmorr@ark.ship.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Re: Mite damage
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Ted,

What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in 
two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 
100 lbs. of honey each.  One of them is queenless and both have brood 
frames with large central areas cleared out.  I believe that I saw the 
white specks indicating varroa feces.  Around the perimeter of the empty 
brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white 
contents. They are not ropy and have no odor.  I noticed a few 
purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look 
healthy.  The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if 
the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open.  This 
puzzles me.  I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a 
touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa 
infestation.  I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips,
menthol, and terramycin in grease patties.  One last comment:  I had one 
colony  headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen  that was not treated last 
fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely 
strong right through winter and spring.  But it swarmed twice and I only 
caught one of the swarms.   As they always tell us, a vigorous queen 
makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention.  I would 
like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a 
devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into
the devastation.  I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but 
have diagnosed trachael mites in past years.

Bill Morrison				wjmorr@ark.ship.edu
(Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania)




From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:10 EDT 1995
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Ted,

What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in 
two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 
100 lbs. of honey each.  One of them is queenless and both have brood 
frames with large central areas cleared out.  I believe that I saw the 
white specks indicating varroa feces.  Around the perimeter of the empty 
brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white 
contents. They are not ropy and have no odor.  I noticed a few 
purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look 
healthy.  The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if 
the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open.  This 
puzzles me.  I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a 
touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa 
infestation.  I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips,
menthol, and terramycin in grease patties.  One last comment:  I had one 
colony  headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen  that was not treated last 
fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely 
strong right through winter and spring.  But it swarmed twice and I only 
caught one of the swarms.   As they always tell us, a vigorous queen 
makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention.  I would 
like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a 
devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into
the devastation.  I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but 
have diagnosed trachael mites in past years.

Bill Morrison				wjmorr@ark.ship.edu
(Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania)




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>l beekeeping 
>  in the Western U.S. 
Only an easterner would think that Arkansas is the western US.



From A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz Sun Oct  8 00:43:12 EDT 1995
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From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (Arnold Chamove)
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what can/do you use bee venom for?


Arnold Chamove
Massey University Psychology Dept
Palmerston North, New Zealand
A.Chamove@Massey.ac.NZ


From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sun Oct  8 00:43:14 EDT 1995
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Doug Nagy wrote

>One thing I think may be a factor is that there are alot of yellow-jacket 
>hornets around the hives and general vicinity, I think that they maybe
robbing 
>the honey.  Does this happen?

yellow jackets and hornets are carnivores.  I have see a yellow jacket steal
a piece
of spam off of a plate and before he could lift off, a Bald face hornet came
in and
killed him (via decapitation) and flew away.

Yellow jackets around a bee hive usually are looking for the dieing bees that
are
crawling away from the hive.  If it is a GOOD year for yellow jackets they
may
be starving and will then go for the healthy bees.

Any of the commercial yellow jacket control traps will work.  But use meat as
a
bait.  The jackets will be attracted but bees ignore it.

Evan



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Someone asked for information on bee truck netting.  There is a man in 
poplarville MS That makes it.

Buddy Moody 
PO Box 14
Poplarville Ms 39470
1-601-795-8396


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A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (Arnold Chamove) wrote:

>what can/do you use bee venom for?

IMHO, I would say right now only for  "medical research."
No scientific studies have been done to show (prove) that
 it has any medicinal value.   Nor are any studies likely to
be performed (at least in the US).  The large drug manu-
facturers have no incentive to use their research money
in developing any medicine that would be as simple as a 
bee sting!  [This way go a long way in explaining why there
are no buyers for bee venom].



From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:17 EDT 1995
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I have a potentially new honey customer who asks if I can provide honey 
for his grocery store in plastic containers of 2, 5, 12 and 18 pounds.  
I think I can find suppliers for the 2 and 5 pound sizes, but what about 
12 pound (gallon) and 18 pound (1 1/2 gallon) sizes? Does anyone know 
where I can find these?  I think the grocer would prefer the bucket type 
of container.




From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:18 EDT 1995
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mculotta@mirage.bbn.com (Mark Culotta) wrote:
>
>Hello, 
>
>This is my second year keeping bees.  The first, I had a single hive
>which didn't survive the winter.  I checked carefully for varroa and
>AFB and didn't find either.  Since I really didn't prepare the hive in
>any way, I'm guessing this is where things wnet wrong.
>
>This year, I have two hives.  The first is much larger and more
>vigorous than last year's hive and I expect it should survive just
>fine.  The second is not as strong as I got the bees later in the
>spring, but is likewise in better shape than last year's hive.
>
>What, if anything,  should I do to the hives/bees to ensure survival?
>
>Thanks,
>Mark Culotta
>
>
Several of things are necessary, in my opinion:
1) Kill varroa! Assume the mites are there, and put a couple of Apistan 
strips near the center of the cluster.  The bees will likely die 
otherwise.
2) Prevent foulbrood.  Put about 4 oz of Terrapatty, or the equivalent, 
in two or three sites between the 2 hive bodies.
3) Give ample honey stores or feed.  I usually use about 75+ pounds of 
honey, then carefully check during the winter to make sure they aren't 
running out.  If the hives are getting light, I feed with candy boards 
on top of the hive bodies.
4) Ensure a good population of bees.  If the colony seems weak, it is 
better to unite two than try wintering a small number of bees.
5) Give adequate ventilation to the hive.  The bees will metabolize 
honey and consequently produce moisture, which will condense.  I would 
raise the outer cover just a crack, or drill a hole in the front of the 
hive bodies (especially the upper one) just below the front hand hold.






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Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) wrote:
>Doug Nagy wrote
>
>>One thing I think may be a factor is that there are alot of yellow-jacket 
>>hornets around the hives and general vicinity, I think that they maybe
>robbing 
>>the honey.  Does this happen?
>
>yellow jackets and hornets are carnivores.  I have see a yellow jacket steal
>a piece
>of spam off of a plate and before he could lift off, a Bald face hornet came
>in and
>killed him (via decapitation) and flew away.

>Evan
>
While the yellow jacket is certainly a carnivore, in the fall at least it will avidly go after sugars too.  I recently had an experi=
ence in which I set out a comb partially filled with honey outside my honey house.  Several hours later, when I noticed it, it was p=
acked with hundreds of yellow jackets, but not one single honeybee dared approach!  They opened and devoured much of the comb in tha=
t time.




From pkevan@uoguelph.ca Sun Oct  8 00:43:22 EDT 1995
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From: pkevan@uoguelph.ca (Peter Kevan)
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A new book is in the presses now: THE ASIATIC HIVE BEE: APICULTURE, 
BIOLOGY, AND ROLE IN SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN TROPICAL AND SUBTROPICAL 
ASIA.

The prepublication price for this book will be about $40.00 US. It is 
about 320 pages long, with chapters on all aspects of this bees' biology, 
husbandry, and ecological significance in nature and agriculture by 
an international team of authors.

It will be available in November or December, 1995.

Please message me directly if you would like to purchase a copy at the 
prepublication price, which will be finalized soon. Thank you, Peter G. 
Kevan.
--
--
PETER G. KEVAN, Dept. Environmental Biology, University of Guelph, 
Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1, Canada

                       pkevan@uoguelph.ca

LIST OWNER FOR ENTOMO-L (general entomology), POLPAL-L (pollination & 
palynology), and POLAR-L (arctic and antarctic information)


From vcrimku@sandia.gov Sun Oct  8 00:43:23 EDT 1995
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From: "Victor C. Rimkus" <vcrimku@sandia.gov>
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Why not make the observation hive portable and have a location in the 
wall to set it? This way it could be taken outside to work on it.

Also this would allow multiple observation hives to be mannaged and the 
best to bee displayed.

V C Rimkus, Albuquerque, NM



From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct  8 00:43:24 EDT 1995
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I been collecting pollen using pollen traps on a few of my hives.
And my bees do a great job of bringing in the pollen however 
it is very labor intensive to clean the pollen for human consumption.
Can anyone suggest a faster way of cleaning pollen for a small
beekeeping operation other than picking thru it by hand?   (I've 
tried the FAN thing and it blows away as much pollen as trash)

Other than givin' up...anybody got any ideas?




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June of '93' "Gleanings" lists a mfgr. of a pollen cleaner.
Not cheap, but I don't think there are many builders of these
machines to offer much competition.  Company is:  The Hance
Corporation 235 East Broadway Westerville, Ohio Ph.# 614-882-7400
Name listed as a contact is Jeff Cox.  You might call them to see
if they're still in businees, and the latest prices.  Let me know 
what you find out, I'd be interested...



From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Sun Oct  8 00:43:26 EDT 1995
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I was thinking about entering some beeswax in the state fair.  I was wondering
what is the best way to get the wax clean.  I had thought about the solar wax
melter but was thinking that the quantity that I have (25+ lbs) it would take
to long.

has anyone use Kelly's wax seperator?  Does it work?

Thanks, Dave M.


dave macfawn
AT&T Global Information Solutions
dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM
(803) 939-7409


From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct  8 00:43:27 EDT 1995
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pkevan@uoguelph.ca (Peter Kevan) wrote:
>A new book is in the presses now: THE ASIATIC HIVE BEE: APICULTURE, 
>BIOLOGY, AND ROLE IN SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN TROPICAL AND SUBTROPICAL 

Just a question - I don't recognize what kind of bee under consideration - is this the bee known as Apis cerana?
>ASIA.





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*Off the B-List*

From: Ken Adams <kla@KA.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 02:19:07 EST
Subject:      Indiana SBA Fall Meeting

97th Annual Fall Meeting, Indiana State Beekeepers Association

        The fall meeting will be in Burlington, Indiana on
October 14, 1995.  It will be at the Burlington Center located
at Burlington Park. Registration is $2.00 per individual, $3.00
per family. The Lunch meal is catered and will cost $6.00 per
person.

08:00 Registration

09:00 Meeting Starts

09:30 Call to order

09:40 Reports:  Treasurer- Steve Welch
                Secretary- Tracy Hunter
                State Apiary Inspector- Kathleen Prough

09:50 Introduction of 1996 Indiana Honey Queen Contestants

10:00 1995 Indiana Honey Queen Report by Carrie Beguhn

10:15 Election of Officers

10:30 Gerald Burchett from Eddyville, Kentucky
      "Young People in Beekeeping"

11:30 Lunch- catered

12:45 Entertainment

13:15 Awards-
        Beekeeper of the Year
        Clover Blossom Award
        Honey Show

13:30 Auction

14:15 Queen Coronation

14:30 Don Stoelting from Louisville, Kentucky
      "Everything You Need to Know About Pollen"

15:30 Closing Announcements

For more information, contact John Adams, V.P., (317) 566-3254 or
                              Jerry Shaw, Pres., (219) 674-9327
---
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Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:21:14 CST
Subject:      Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting
Organization: NCRPIS

The Iowa Honey Producers annual meeting will be held on November 10 &
11 at the Starlight Village Motel in Des Moines, Iowa.  I will try to
post more information later, but if you are interested in attending,
(and anyone with an interest in bees is more than welcome to come)
e-mail me directly.  A very good program of speakers on a variety of
subjects is planned.
---
 þ QMPro 1.53 þ Soyez prudent : 90% des gens sont causes par accident.


From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sat Nov  4 20:46:45 EST 1995
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As to the use of Bee Venom as a therapy.  Here in Washington state, one of the
local
beekeepers (in his 60's) has used BV the combat his arthritis.  BV is
supposed to 
stimulate the bodies production of cortizone (which is a big help in the
joints)

He gets about 50 bees and has them all sting in whatever joint is bothering
him most
He says its usually a knee or a shoulder.  He started with 5 and has worked
his way
up to 50.  He has to apply the stings about every 3 months but then he has no
arthritis pain for that long.

My dad had trouble with his shoulder and got a cortizone shot.  It killed all
pain
for about 6 months.  If the BV cortizone connection is correct I can see
where
the BV is a lot cheaper for a beekeeper.

Ta Ta

Evan



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German Romo writes
>hi, does anybody know if there are any suppliers of equipment
>for making foundation from beeswax?  I am not interested in
>equipment for large scale production. I am trying to find some new
>or used inexpensive equipment to make foundation at home on a small scale.

In the book KEEPING BEES by John Vivian (Williamson Publishing, 
Charlotte, Vermont) pages 131 to 141 tell how to make your own
equipment for making a foundation die using plaster, some lumber, etc. , and 
a purchased piece of foundation.  Total Cost $10.

Evan
Bonney Lake Washington


From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Nov  4 20:46:48 EST 1995
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From: Joel Govostes <jwg6@cornell.edu>
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What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in?  
I've about 20 colonies still with the crop on (3-5 mediums each), which 
I haven't been able to get to yet.  I was going to try bee escape boards 
if the temp. gets into the 50's F later this week. Someone offered to 
lend me a blower, but I don't want to lose bees by using it when it's 
too cool for them to fly.  Any ideas?  Once the colony clusters, I don't 
think a repellent would work.  I really only have weekends to do this,  
and for the past month it seems to rain or be cold every time!  Since I 
can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related 
experiences would be appreciated. Thanks  in advance.  JWG




From bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Sat Nov  4 20:46:51 EST 1995
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The American Bee Journal is a good magazine, I have subscribed to it for
about 15 years now.  Contact them at 51S. 2nd Street, Hamilton, IL 62341. 
The price for mail with the USA is about $20 US per annum, probably more
for outside the US.

In article <470ojh$at3@galileo.polito.it>, villa@ALPcom.it (Stefano Villa)
wrote:

> I'm posting this for a friend of mine.
> He's looking for information about a magazine called 
> -American bee journal- or something like that.
> Does anyone knows somethings about it? 
> Subscription forms or any addres where he can get it?
> Here in Italy there's no way to get information about it.
> Thanks a lot.
>                                 stefano
> 
> stefano.villa@pmn.it

-- 
honey is sweeter than wine


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From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
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Summary: _Apis_ Magazine
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            Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter
    Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764)
                Volume 12, Number 10 October 1995


           A STABLE POLLINATION SERVICE-A la Francaise

     In 1976, S.E. McGregor wrote about what he called a "stable
pollination service."  In the "Pollinator's Bible," Agriculture
Handbook 496, USDA ARS, Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop
Plants, (see July 1995 APIS) he said:  "A pollination service
...must be equally interested in the welfare of the grower and the
beekeeper."  And, in order to be stable, according to McGregor, a
pollination service should be relatively large in scope and
regional in focus.  He also suggested that it be based on
pollination consultants that would "give equal expression in
determining the services the grower needs and the fees that the
beekeeper receives."  Even before the advent of the personal
computer, McGregor also suggested a large-scale pollination program
would lend itself to computerization.  For example, he concluded:
"...various grower and beekeeper locations could be fed into the
computer, along with dates bees might be needed and when they are
available.  Then the computer could, without bias, determine the
nearest or most logical beekeeper available for pollination of a
specific crop."

     To my knowledge, we have yet to see in this country any
sustained stable pollination service of the kind described by
McGregor.  In France, however, the idea appears to have taken hold.
Dr. Bernard Vaissiere, a Texas A & M Graduate, now a pollination
researcher at the Laboratoire de Pollinisation Entomophile, INRA
Unite de Zoologie, 84914 Avignon Cedex 9, France, FAX (33)
90.31.62.70, Tel. (33) 90.31.61.69 (email:
bernard.vaissiere@avignon.inra.fr), wrote the following in his
contribution to the notes of a Workshop on Bees for Pollination,
Brussels, 2-3 March, 1992:  "...there was often little cooperation
among the beekeepers renting colonies for pollination to define a
pollination service.  Indeed, the production of honey or other bee
products remained the prime activity while commercial pollination
was usually regarded as a side business."

     "...it is symptomatic," Dr. Vaissiere continued, "that the
beekeeper association which claims to represent most of the
commercial beekeepers calls itself the Syndicat des Producteurs de
Miel Francais (French Honey Producers Association).  Clearly it is
a honey producing association; there is no mention of pollination.
...colonies rented to growers varied considerably among beekeepers
and from season to season, depending upon the expected nectar flow
and the price of honey.  Colonies were usually managed with little
regard to the crop to pollinate and there was little, if any,
monitoring of the foraging activity at hive entrance or in the
target crop once the colonies were delivered."  These conditions
mirror those found in much of the United States today (see March
1995 APIS).

     Several things occurred in France, however, that have
stimulated beekeepers to take a second look at commercial
pollination.  In the process, they developed, what Dr. Vaissiere
says is "a fairly original solution."  It looks a lot like that
envisioned by McGregor almost two decades ago.

     The first pivotal event, according to Dr. Vaissiere, was year-
around availability of bumblebee colonies in southern France.  In
1989, growers were given an alternative to the haphazard commercial
honey bee pollination efforts of the past.  Bumblebee companies
used a combination of sleek marketing brochures, monitoring and
replacement of defective colonies and followup observations of
foraging activity in field to tap the lucrative greenhouse tomato
pollination market.  A monthly fee structure (instead of per
colony) was instituted along with a pollination per unit area of
crop.  In spite of relatively high prices, growers jumped at the
opportunity to take advantage of these services.  Previously, the
only alternative was hand pollination.  Bumblebees (B. terrestris)
now pollinate all commercial greenhouse tomatoes in southern
France.

     In the latter part of 1990, honey prices declined in France.
At the same time, the veterinary service in the departments
(provinces) of Tarn and Garonne attempted to monitor colony
movement and coordinate fluvalinate treatments for Varroa.  The
timing seemed propitious to consider commercial pollination as a
more organized enterprise.  Some ten beekeepers who knew each other
and had some pollination experience joined forces.  After several
meetings over a period of months, the Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP
(Groupement des Apiculteurs Pollinisateurs Professionels) was
formed.

     The GRAPP association developed a set of bylaws to which each
member agreed in writing.  Among key provisions was a guarantee by
the larger group that the maximum time span for delivery/removal of
colonies after notification be 48 hours, even if an individual
contracting beekeeper was unable to comply.  Additional guarantees
were also provided, including the sanitary condition and size of
colonies.

     Other factors were key to the GRAPP.  All members shared a
strong interest in pollination and used most of their colonies in
this activity.  Members considered branching out into bumblebee
culture, a logical next step (See July 1995 APIS), but this did not
materialize.   The GRAPP was also composed of "professionals"; only
full-time beekeepers could join.  The group insisted on a
professional image and believed that including part-time beekeepers
would not be profitable.  In practical terms, beekeepers seeking
entry had to have at least 300 colonies, be sponsored by two
current members and be admitted by the majority of a five-person
governing board.  The board's decision was final with little chance
for appeal.

     The Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP used marketing strategies not
available to individual beekeepers.  These included a brochure
mailed to all growers in the region and a computer bulletin board
providing information on an array of pollination questions.  The
GRAPP also provided growers with a free evaluation of their
pollination requirements in relation to their current agricultural
practices.  Members were in contact with most grower organizations
and gave interviews to journalists and appeared on television.

     Each GRAPP member joined with an established customer base,
which remained with the beekeeper.  New customers, however, were
allocated by the secretary based on geographic location; the
nearest member got first choice.  All members used standard
contract and billing forms.  Based on bills submitted, a voluntary
assessment was requested to support GRAPP activities, which
included a part-time secretary and the printing of informational
materials for distribution to growers.

     The fee structure was decided by majority vote by the general
assembly (all GRAPP members) which met 4 to 5 times per year.
There was a base fee for standard service; on top of this, extra
charges were assessed.  These included feeding colonies upon
arrival, inserting pollen traps and/or implementing  "flash
pollination" (scheduling bees to arrive with 24 hours notice
instead of 48).  Of more than passing interest, the fee structure
was designed to provoke growers into asking questions about the
precise meaning of each possible option and advantage of its use.
Although many members believed the rates were not high enough,
there was optimism they could be raised once growers were familiar
with the quality of service provided.

      A final step implemented by the Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP in 1991,
according to Dr. Vaissiere was registering its name, bylaws and
logo with the INPI (Institut National de la Propriete
Industrielle).  This meant that other organizations using the name
or logo, must endorse the bylaws.  These specify, among other
things, that only one GRAPP exist per administrative region (22 of
these exist in France).  Members must agree to the definition of a
pollination service adapted to each crop, including:  (1)
determining minimum quality standards; (2) monitoring foraging and
resultant pollination; and (3) using a base fee per hive.  GRAPPs
are free to support any research they desire, but must share the
results with all others, and apart from those mentioned above, any
GRAPP can develop its own set of internal rules and/or
organization.  Finally, every association must agree to take part
in a national body of GRAPPs to make more uniform, the language,
rates and service specified in the pollination contracts.

     More recent information from Dr. Vaissiere indicates the GRAPP
Midi-Pyrenees disbanded two years ago.  There is indication,
however, that it is likely to be restarted.  Two others, on the
other hand (GRAPP Rhone-Alpes and GRAPP Mediterranee) are active
and growing.  The latter had a gross income of $300,000 last year.
The formation of the national organization did occur in 1994, but
has yet to be fully functional.

     Beyond the many advantages noted above concerning GRAPPs,
there exists, according to Dr. Vaissiere, a unique opportunity for
these associations to define and carry out needed pollination
research.  As an example, consider the present differences between
bumblebee and honey bee providers in France.  The former charge by
unit area for greenhouse tomatoes, but by colony for crops grown in
the open.  Honey bee providers only use the latter method.
Perhaps, under the dictates of a GRAPP, honey bee keepers will also
shift to charging by unit area, not only inside greenhouses, but
outside in the field.  This focuses on what a pollination service
is all about, getting crops efficiently pollinated, not a stocking
rate (number of hives/unit area), which is really only a means to
pollinate.

     Dr. Vaissiere emphasizes that shifting from stocking rate to
unit area is an important step because the relationship between
forager density (bees/100 flowers) and pollination intensity (the
number of conspecific pollen grains per floral stigma) is fairly
close.  The relationship between forager density and stocking rate,
however, can fluctuate considerably based on other floral resources
nearby the target crop and other environmental conditions.

     As long as the price of pollination is on a per/colony basis,
Dr. Vaissiere says, some solution is needed to guard against the
vagaries of environmental factors.  The usual method, "saturating"
the target areas with imported pollinators, is costly to both
farmers and beekeepers.  In addition, growers may not understand
the subtleties involved when a neighbor gets a good crop with a
stocking rate of one colony/acre while he is being charged for 5
colonies/acre for the "same" service.  Finally, the saturation
strategy ignores the effect of the native pollinator potential in
an area and may backfire in some situations (apples, peaches) where
too much fruit set is detrimental.

     In conclusion, Dr. Vaissiere says, it is essential that the
pollination service be clearly defined and understood by both
parties so it can be objectively evaluated and appropriately
rewarded.  Past experience show this to be unlikely with individual
beekeepers.  Increased exposure, visibility and capability of the
GRAPP structure can provide orchard growers, seed producers and
others with a better working knowledge of the pollination process.
This allows farmers to better plan for adequate pollination and
provides a guarantee of prompt delivery and proper management of
their insect pollinator potential.

     With the advent of Varroa in the United States, commercial
pollination has taken on a new meaning (see November 1993 APIS).
The trials and tribulations of the individual beekeeper as a
commercial pollinator are also well documented (See March 1995
APIS). Thus, it behooves beekeepers considering changing the focus
of their enterprises toward pollination to consider the successes
and failures of the French GRAPP experiment in establishing the
world's first country-wide stable pollination service.  For more
information, interested persons can contact the president of the
GRAPP Mediterranee, Jean Vilain, Les Bouletines F-13980 Alleins,
Tel. 90.57.35.14; FAX 90.59.35.58.



Sincerely,


Malcolm T. Sanford
Bldg 970, Box 110620
University of Florida
Gainesville, FL 32611-0620
Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143
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Joel Govostes <jwg6@cornell.edu> wrote:
>What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in?  
>I've about 20 colonies still with the crop on (3-5 mediums each), which 
>I haven't been able to get to yet.  I was going to try bee escape boards 
>if the temp. gets into the 50's F later this week. Someone offered to 
>lend me a blower, but I don't want to lose bees by using it when it's 
>too cool for them to fly.  Any ideas?  Once the colony clusters, I don't 
>think a repellent would work.  I really only have weekends to do this,  
>and for the past month it seems to rain or be cold every time!  Since I 
>can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related 
>experiences would be appreciated. Thanks  in advance.  JWG
>
I have had some limited experience doing this.  You are right in that fume boards are quite useless in cool weather.  Escape boards =
don't work too well either, unless there is a warm period during the day.  Even so, it will take quite a long time to clear 3-5 supe=
rs with escape boards in cool weather.
I would go along with your friend's recommendation to use a bee blower.  Set up the supers so that the bees are blown out toward the=
 ground in front of the hive, and they should find their way back with little difficulty.  If the bees are clustering in the supers,=
 you will need patience with this method as well, since the outer shell of bees will hang on to the comb very tightly.  I usually se=
t the super up on end on top of a hive cover, bottom of the frames facing me and the blower.  That way I can pry the frames to the l=
eft or right to give more room for the air flow between them, and dislodge the few stubborn remaining bees.




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In article: <dstamper.67.308F0D9A@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) writes:
>> 
>> Over the past month my single hive has gone from a very strong population to 
>> almost nothing. 
>> I knew I had varroa, but didn't think it was very bad, since I had a clean 
>> inspection in July, 
>> Throughout this time I had noticed yellow jackets around the hive and 
>> sometimes in the hive when I opened it up.  I didn't think much about it, 
>> figuring the bees could take care of themselves.
>> I saw yellow jackets carrying off large numbers of 
>> brood, with the bees apparently not doing anything about it. 
>> Three days later I checked on the hive, and yellow jackets were coming and 
>> going at their leisure.  Nearly all of my brood was gone and 70% of my adult 
>> population was gone compared to what it was 3 weeks earlier. The last >>time I checked them, about a week ago, they were really 
>> hurting.  The new brood had been raided out.
>> I haven't been to the apiary since them, and I fully expect that my bees will 
>> have either been wiped out or would have absconded.
>> Dave out

Since misery loves company, I have a similar story to report, except that my hives stayed upright.   This is a typical varroa attack=
, in my opinion, as my hives also experienced a similar rapid population collapse, dead brood, and marauding yellow jackets and horn=
ets.  Some of my friends felt that the large yellow jacket populations this year were responsible for the destruction, but in my few=
 healthy hives there is no sign at all that yellow jackets can gain entrance.  I think that they are opportunistic, taking advantage=
 of a weakened hive as would wax moths (which also have entered my varroa hives, even with a few bees left).  I was amazed at how qu=
ickly the strong hives of summer were reduced to a shambles!  This varroa mite is a pest without equal.




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 >From: villa@ALPcom.it (Stefano Villa)
 >Subject: INFO REQUEST:"American bee journal" ???

V>I'm posting this for a friend of mine.
 >He's looking for information about a magazine called
 >-American bee journal- or something like that.
 >Does anyone knows somethings about it?
 >Subscription forms or any addres where he can get it?
 >Here in Italy there's no way to get information about it.
 >Thanks a lot.
 >                                stefano

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From cenwell@sentex.net Sat Nov  4 20:46:56 EST 1995
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Information needed.  A science student studying animal adaptations has 
not been able to find the answer to this question:

    Why are honey bees yellow and brown/black?

Please answer directly to cenwell@sentex.net
                          Subject:  Kate



From rick.haver@dartmouth.edu Sat Nov  4 20:46:56 EST 1995
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From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver)
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Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax
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In article <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au>, "Jeff C."
<crowther@rsc.anu.edu.au> wrote:

> Here is a recipe for polishing wax for all interested.
> 
> Fill saucepan  ~1/2 to 1/3 full with boiling water.
> Over low heat on stove add essential oil to scent the wax (~1 tbls = strong)
> Add beeswax (250g) and gently melt it.
> 
> Place saucepan in a sink filled with ~4 cm cold water. When the wax starts
> solidifying on the sides of pan add 4 tbls pure gum turpentine.
> (SAFETY: Wax must be cooled before adding turpentine)
> 
> Once added mix well and then add 2 tbls cloudy ammonia.
> Mixture appears to curdle. Mix well and let cool down so you can handle it.
> 
> Line a colander or sieve with cheesecloth and put wax mixture in.
> Let the water drain out
> Wrap the mixture up and squeeze out more moisture.
> Using hands, or a fork, squash out lumps.
> Bottle your polish.
> Place it in a container that you can seal to prevent it drying out.
> 
> Remember to use lots of elbow grease.

Its my recollection that beeswax does not make a good polish because of
its relative softness. Carnuba is harder and better for this purpose. The
softness of beeswax allows the grunge of the world to get imbedded in the
layer of wax that you place on the surface of the furniture. If you're
interested in making your own beeswax polish, I of course can't dissuade
you. But if you want a good furniture polish, there are several commerical
products would be better polishes.


From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Nov  4 20:46:57 EST 1995
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>    Why are honey bees yellow and brown/black?

Not all are; there are red ones, purple ones, grey ones and 
all are honeybees (Apis).




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In article <APC&1'0'8024deed'79e@igc.apc.org> Doug Inkley <dinkley@igc.apc.org> writes:
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>What's the status of the queen?  Could be an issue here.

This whole hive was new from a package in May.  New queen, new hive, new 
frames.  New beekeeper.

Dave


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> Dr David A Gladstone <dag@berfa.demon.co.uk> writes:

>>dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) writes:
>> I knew I had varroa, but didn't think it was very bad, since I had a clean 
>> inspection in July, 

>We didn't think we had it either but lo and behold the spring floor scrapings 
>revealed the nasty little beggars - we have been vigilent and currently have the 
>bayverol strips in for the six week treament - the bees are still flying in the mild 
>autumn and we got 110 lbs this year - I understand that varroa has usually been 
>present for a couple or years or so before it's detected.

I don't know enough about what is typical, but this was my first hive, started 
>from  a package in May.  I can guess that the varroa came from a wild swarm I 
caught for the lady who lets me keep my hive on her property who lost her own 
bees to foulbrood the previous year.  I treated that swarm about 10 days after 
hiving it.  Probably enough time to pass the mites to my bees.  Too bad they 
can't "beam" the Apistan to you when you need it.

Dave out



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>Too bad they can't "beam" the Apistan to you when you need it.

Dave,   .... in time!


{But then, would you just want the honey "beamed" to you instead
 of KEEPING bees?}



From worrell@cbl.cees.edu Sat Nov  4 20:47:00 EST 1995
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From: worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell)
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SteveStepanian (step@ccnet.com) wrote:
: I have MS and have been doing Bee Venom Therapy (BVT) for 4 mos.  BVT
: is the only thing that's helped with my MS.  My beekeeper is moving
: 400 miles away and will not be able to supply me with bees.  I have
: been unable, so far, to find a beekeeper that wanted to be bothered or
: the liabliity (there is none).  I live in a condo so I can't set up my
: own hive.  I'm getting desperate because I've stopped all drugs (per
: my doc) and without the bees I will get worse and have to start back
: on drugs and the inevitable side effects.

: Does anyone have any suggestions or know a willing beekeeper in my
: area?  I live in the East San Francisco Bay Area.  I need around 250
: bees/mon.
Steve,
I tried to reply to the group on the weekend but my posting failed. Hope 
this gets thru!
Greg Ferris of Ferris Apiaries sends out small quantities of bees by mail.
Address is :
Greg Ferris
Rt 1 Box 460-H
Indian Head Md 20640
1-800-787-4669

Hope this helps
Jerry Worrell

--

Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies
(410)257-3267  Dunkirk,MD USA
Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers
Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co.


From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sat Nov  4 20:47:01 EST 1995
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From: Mark Egloff <MEgloff@CSC.Com>
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Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle
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>
Your story mirrored the story of my hives last year.  At the end of August 1994
I had 6 strong hives moving purposefully toward winter.  By the end of 
September, I had one left that was just on the edge and didn't make it through
the winter.  Don't feel bad.  I have spent the last 4 years losing hives to the 
winter and my own lack of experience.
This year I said "no way".  I ordered packages in January for delivery in
April.  On Apr 6 I installed them, inserted Apistran, Terrapatties, Syrup with
Fumidile and Menthol.  I continued to feed them until they stopped taking syrup, 
pulled the medicines and strips on June 1 and added supers.  I decided that I was
going to sacrifice the fall flows in order to ensure that the bees were kept strong
so on Aug 1, I pulled 4 medium supers of honey, inserted strips and medicines, and 
started watching for signs of weakness.  It didn't happen.  They stayed
strong all fall.  I watched them gang up on the few YJ that explored
their entrance.  Throughout August and September they did their thing.
Strips were pulled on September 25.  The hives are now sitting with three
deeps, the top two full of honey.  I am hoping that this year will
be different than the last 4.  
My only concern is that I pulled strips on Sept 25, now it is the first
of November and I am wondering if I need to reinstall the strips for the winter.

Mark Egloff

Note:  I have been told (and I cannot vouch for the reliability of the 
information) that if the YJ can gain access to a weak hive, they pick up
the hive scent and are not challenged on subsequent visits.  I dunno, but
I had the same problem with YJ coming and going at will last year in late 
August and September.
m.



From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Nov  4 20:47:02 EST 1995
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From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris)
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In article <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>
Joel Govostes <jwg6@cornell.edu> writes:
 
>
>What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in?
>...
>can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related
>experiences would be appreciated. Thanks  in advance.  JWG
>
 
You will find that the bees have clustered in the brood chambers and
removing the honey supers should br fairly easy.  It's most likely that
you will only find bees in the super closest to the brood chambers and
that all the remaining supers will be void of bees.  At this point in the
season when warm weather is the exception, not the rule you will probably
be better off robbing/harvesting on a cold day rather than hoping and
waiting for something warm.  It would be nice to have a rain free weekend,
eh?  But all this rain certainly has helped the drought conditions.
Would that the rains came during forage season!
 
You should be warry of varroa.  If you still have supers on I assume you
have not treated.  Varroa is a REAL problem in the Ithaca area (as it is
in most if not all of New York).  You should test and treat if necessary,
after you harvest your crop.
 
Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee!
Vice President, Southern Adirondack Beekeepers' Association
A New York Beekeeper, about 150 miles northeast of Ithaca
Round Lake, New York (7 miles South of Saratoga)


From nextug@ac.dal.ca Sat Nov  4 20:47:03 EST 1995
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All forgeries:

Send your complaints to:  <postmaster@kjl.com>

This is what I wrote:
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I draw your attention to the following post made by your user 
<krazykev@kjl.com>.

This post is blantantly commercial and was made to a
non-commercial newsgroup, sci.agriculture.beekeeping. It is completely
off-topic since sci.agriculture.beekeeping concerns itself solely with
Beekeeping simulations and not with magazine subscriptions.
You will also note that it was prolificaly cross-posted to many other
newsgroups for which it is also off-topic.

I trust you will take appropriate disciplinary action and that you will
inform me as to the results of this.
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Christopher Majka
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Christopher Majka  --  Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Home Page: URL = http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~aa051/Profile.html



From dinkley@igc.apc.org Sat Nov  4 20:47:04 EST 1995
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From: Doug Inkley <dinkley@igc.apc.org>
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Dave,
New hive, new queen, etc.........but with the hive falling over and being moved, has the qued
has the queen perhaps been killed?  Either seeing the queen or new brood would confirm she is oka
confirm she is okay.


From joanne Sat Nov  4 20:47:04 EST 1995
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From: Joanne Talbot <joanne>
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Hi,
Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb?
A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new
book in computer science.  It shouldn't have any bee's in it....
Thanks much, Joanne



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From: Joanne Talbot <joanne>
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Subject: Photography of a honeycomb -- my email address is included here...
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Hi,
Please send email to joanne@theory.lcs.mit.edu
if you know of a photograph of a honeycomb...Thanks again.



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From: Fredrick Gruber <fredg@triode.apana.org.au>
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How many 15kg boxes of propolis have you got and what price are you asking for each?

Fredrick.



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Hi all,

I want to buy trigona bees.  I am offering a $30.00 spotters fee for each hive to anyone in 
Sydney Australia.  Can anyone help?

Fredrick 



From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Nov  4 20:47:08 EST 1995
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From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight)
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Joanne Talbot <joanne> wrote:

>Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb?

I have a great picture of a honeycomb.  I'm no photographer, but
this picture turned out great!  The light caught the comb just perfect
and the comb appears translucent (by accident, I assure you!).  It
is a color picture and the cells are primarily two different colors.
No adult bees are in the picture but in the bottom of the cells you
can detect the young larva (if you know thats what you're looking
at).  No cells are capped over yet; all are open so you see the 
hex shape clearly.  Its a standard 35mm photo.  Let me know if
you're interested, it would take some time to find the negative.



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> I want to buy trigona bees. 
> 
What is a trigona bee?
Mark Egloff


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In article <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>, Joanne Talbot <joanne>
writes:

>Subject:	Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it)
>From:	Joanne Talbot <joanne>
>Date:	31 Oct 1995 20:13:30 GMT
>
>Hi,
>Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb?
>A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new
>book in computer science.  It shouldn't have any bee's in it....
>Thanks much, Joanne


   Microsoft Windows has a photo of honeycomb in the Clip Art section.  I
don't know if all versions have it, but that shouldn't be too hard to
track down.

Pollinator@aol.com   
Dave Green,  PO Box 1200, Hemingway,  SC   29554


From britton.4@osu.edu Sat Nov  4 20:47:10 EST 1995
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From: "Constance J. Britton" <britton.4@osu.edu>
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If you are an Internet beekeeper from Ohio or Alabama, please communicate 
with me directly for more information concerning organizational 
beekeeping activities in Ohio and Alabama.  If you know of other 
beekeepers who have e-mail addresses in these two states, but may not see 
this note, please forward their address to me for a one-time message to 
them.  Please respond to Tew.1@osu.edu and not to the net.  Thanks.

Jim Tew


James E. Tew                     Tew.1@osu.edu
Department of Entomology         (216)263-3684
OARDC/The Ohio State University  (216)264-1124
Wooster OH 44691                 FAX (216)262-2720




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From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Sat Nov  4 20:47:12 EST 1995
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From: lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu (Lou Bjostad)
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In article <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>, Joanne Talbot <joanne> wrote:

> Hi,
> Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb?
> A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new
> book in computer science.  It shouldn't have any bee's in it....
> Thanks much, Joanne

See the following:

http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/images/kbees.gif

>from  the public-domain Smithsonian collection.

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Lou Bjostad, Fort Collins, Colorado      lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu
=====================================================================


From BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com Sat Nov  4 20:47:15 EST 1995
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I would like to contact a beekeeper on Connecticut. Somewhere in
Western Connecticut would be nice. I am looking to buy some
un-processed honey in significant quantities (gallons). 

Andy Bajorinas
BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com



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From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Nov  4 20:47:15 EST 1995
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From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper)
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> Doug Inkley <dinkley@igc.apc.org> writes:

>Dave,
>New hive, new queen, etc.........but with the hive falling over and being moved, has the qued
>has the queen perhaps been killed?  Either seeing the queen or new brood would confirm she is oka
>confirm she is okay.

I did not find the queen, but I did find eggs three days after I put the 
hive back together.  Anyway, the point is moot, since I went today to put the 
hive into storage.  No bees, but full of yellow jackets.  I put the hive body 
into a garbage bag, yellow jackets and all, and etherized 'em.  Seldom have I 
had such satisfaction in killing something.  There must have been at least 300 
in a single hive body.

There's always next year.  Besides, I got about 50-60 lbs of honey from a 2 
pound package my first year beekeeping.  Not too shabby, by my way of thinking.

Dave out.


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In article <rick.haver-3010951543530001@130.189.40.20>, rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) writes:
|> From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver)
|> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
|> Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax
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|> In article <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au>, "Jeff C."
|> <crowther@rsc.anu.edu.au> wrote:
|>
|> > Here is a recipe for polishing wax for all interested.
|> >
|> > Fill saucepan  ~1/2 to 1/3 full with boiling water.
|> > Over low heat on stove add essential oil to scent the wax (~1 tbls = strong)
|> > Add beeswax (250g) and gently melt it.
|> >
|> > Place saucepan in a sink filled with ~4 cm cold water. When the wax starts
|> > solidifying on the sides of pan add 4 tbls pure gum turpentine.
|> > (SAFETY: Wax must be cooled before adding turpentine)
|> >
|> > Once added mix well and then add 2 tbls cloudy ammonia.
|> > Mixture appears to curdle. Mix well and let cool down so you can handle it.
|> >
|> > Line a colander or sieve with cheesecloth and put wax mixture in.
|> > Let the water drain out
|> > Wrap the mixture up and squeeze out more moisture.
|> > Using hands, or a fork, squash out lumps.
|> > Bottle your polish.
|> > Place it in a container that you can seal to prevent it drying out.
|> >
|> > Remember to use lots of elbow grease.
|>
|> Its my recollection that beeswax does not make a good polish because of
|> its relative softness. Carnuba is harder and better for this purpose. The
|> softness of beeswax allows the grunge of the world to get imbedded in the
|> layer of wax that you place on the surface of the furniture. If you're
|> interested in making your own beeswax polish, I of course can't dissuade
|> you. But if you want a good furniture polish, there are several commerical
|> products would be better polishes.

Good Point !!

All recipes that I have seen call for adding Carnuba wax.  I have made
polish before with one of these recipes and was quite happy with the
results.  Brushy Mountain Bee Farm (1-800-BEESWAX) sells recipes,
Carnuba wax, small round polish tins, and labels if anyone is interested.

Roger E. Sanders
N.C. Master Craftsman Beekeeper


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Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware.  I think it is a silicone 
based water proofing.  As far as I can tell it doesn't appear to have any 
insecticidal properties.  I don't want to use pressure treated lumber 
because of the arsenic.

I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye 
solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores.  Wouldn't chlorine 
bleach or a disinfectant like Lysol work?  Seems a bit safer.


			tim



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Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) wrote:

>Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware
I'd say yes.  But I use 'Boiled Linseed Oil.'  I've used both products
before and I think Linseed Oil is better for bee equipment. Use only
one coat if you're going to paint over it.  I coat frames, boxes and
all with Linseed Oil.  Just bee sure to allow enough time for it to
dry (it  can take two or three weeks to dry).

>I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye 
>solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores.
I have a copy of this book & I'd like to know where it says that this
technique will 'sterilize' equipment from AFB.  This is not correct!
I'd like to look it up and write to the author of that section.
Neither lye or bleach will 'sterilize' the equipment against AFB. The
only way to "kill" AFB spores (at least approved in the US) is by
using ethylene oxide.  And there aren't many of these machines around.

Reference page, 1090 of the "The Hive and the Honey Bee" (1992,
revised edition). 
    I have used hot lye water to clean boxes and frames for some time
now and without any problems.  You just need to be careful, but you'd
need to be careful using hot bleach water too! (Or HOT water in
general).  Most all large grocery stores have lye; its in the section
containing 'drain openers'.  There are several brands availabe but a
common one I see is called Red Devil.  I use a large metal wash tub
over a charcole fire (in a cut in half 55-gal drum).  I heat the water
to boiling on my kitchen stove and then pour that into the wash tub.
The charcole fire may not get the water hot enough to boil but it will
keep it hot enough to clean your equipment.  Notice, I said 'clean'
the equipment, not sterilize it.  I use rubber gloves, protective 
plastic  glasses (eyes) and a bathroom toilet brush  (new,  of
course!)    :-)    Its probably not worth going to all this trouble if
you don't have a few hundred frames to clean.   Cheers....







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If you use metal queen excluders and the ladies
have built it full of burr comb; a really quick way to
clean these is to use one of the small hand held
propane torches or your solar wax melter.



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How do you make 'em?



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*FYI* OFF THE B-LIST*
From: Bill Van Roekel <BILLVR@NCRPIS-1.ARS-GRIN.GOV>
Date:         Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:44:12 CST
Subject:      Re Iowa Honey Producers Meeting
Organization: NCRPIS

I'm sorry this is so late, and although it is not bee biology, there
are scientists involved.
I will abbreviate.

Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting
Starlite Best Western Motel , Des Moines, Iowa
Nov. 10
8:00Reg.  $10 members $20 Family
8:45 Announcements
8:50 President's Welcome  Paul Goossen
9:15 Dealing with Africanized Bees and Varroa in S. Texas    Dr.
Frank Eischen
11:00 Rpt from Ia. Apiary Bureau   Bob Cox
11:00 Cooking w/honey entries due
1:30 De apibus semper dubutandum est("You can never tell with bees"
>from  Winnie the Pooh) Leo Stattelman
2:15Cooking contest results
2:30 IHPA business meeting
3:30 Science Fair Project-Winter protection and survival of honey bee
colonies.  Carol Fassbinder
4:00 Local area crop reports
4:30 Refractometer Calibrating Session (bring your own refractometer)
Bob Cox
7:00 pm Banquet - State fair awards
Speaker Richard Adee " Inside Adee Honey Farms"
Banquet is not included in registration fee(but I don't know how much
it is )
Sat. Nov. 11
8:00 Visit vendors
9:00 The Politics of Beekeeping and how it affects honey prices
Richard Adee
10:00 Break
10:15 Uncovering the history of Iowa Beekeeping   Richard Trump
11:00 National Honey Board Larry Krause (producer member from
Riverton,  Wyoming)
12:00 lunch
1:00 Fumbling for answers to Cantaloupe Pollination Questions Dr.
Frank Eischen
2:00 Honey cooking demo Mindy Okerberg
3:00 Adjurn
You do not have to be a member to attend, but registration will be
slightly higher.  This annual meeting always has something for
everyone interested in beekeeping, not the least of which is spending
time with about 100 Iowa beekeepers.  If you have the opportunity I
highly recomend this meeting.
Bill Van Roekel
Central Iowa
nc7jr@ars-grin.gov
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I've never made a wax mold myself, but here is what I would do if I did 
want to:

1) Take some wax and mold it into the figure, shape, object you want. 

2) Mix enough plaster to submerge the entire wax object (You could do this 
in a milk carton or what container you don't mind riping apart).

3) Drill a 1/4 to 1/2 inch hole in the *bottom* of the figure until you hit 
the wax inside (this is the hole for pouring the melted wax into the mold).

4) Cut the mold along the length of the figure with a thin-bladed saw (be 
careful not to crack the plaster).

5) Remove or melt out the wax that remains in the mold.

6) Sand/shape the two halves until there is a nice fit with no leaks

To make candles with the mold, you tape or secure a piece of candle wick 
down the middle of one half of the mold (you might have to cut a slight 
groove into this half of the mold for the wick to sit in).  Secure the 
two halves together and you should be set to go.  You might have to coat
the inside of the mold if the wax sticks (does anyone know?).

Granted this is a rough way to do it, but it should work and won't cost much.

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Name: Nate Saal
E-mail: Nate Saal <nates@svi.org>
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I am interested in getting started in beekeeping and know nothing at all
about it...anyone recomend any books, FAQ's, etc...
comments welcome.

zapper



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From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen)
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Subject: Re: Beeswax Candle Molds?
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 20:02:26 -0800
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In article <47h4bd$koh@smart1.svi.org>, Nate Saal <NateS@svi.org> wrote:

> 2) Mix enough plaster to submerge the entire wax object (You could do this 
> in a milk carton or what container you don't mind riping apart).

Two part silicone rubber works much better than plaster and has the
advantage of being flexible and easy to remove from the wax candle.

Mark Jensen              Double J Apiaries        mjensen@crl.com


From 100662.2434@CompuServe.COM Wed Nov  8 10:39:01 EST 1995
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From: Brian Gapco <100662.2434@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Honeybee Hood Ornament?
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Does anyone know of a classic car that had a "streamlined" 
honeybee as a hood ornament?  Rumor has it that it was Italian, 
pre-WW2

TIA,

Brian


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From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel)
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In article <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
   Joel Govostes <jwg6@cornell.edu> wrote:
>What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in?  
I had that problem as it gets cool even here in the Golden State at this time 
of the year. I would not touch any frames on which there are bees in their 
warming positions on top of each other. I have to do my beekeeping duties on 
the weekend also, and two weekends ago we extracted in cool weather. It is 
probably colder where you live but the same temp. in our respective houses. 
Anyway, after the frames warmed up pretty well inside, I put them in my little 
two frame extractor and aimed the hair dryer into the extractor and the honig 
was pretty manageable. Oh? You have 20 colonies? What do I know about handling 
20 colonies on the weekend? Nothing.


From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Wed Nov  8 10:39:03 EST 1995
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In article: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com>  Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) writes:
> 
> Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware.  I think it is a silicone 
> based water proofing.  As far as I can tell it doesn't appear to have any 
> insecticidal properties.  I don't want to use pressure treated lumber 
> because of the arsenic.
> 
> I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye 
> solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores.  Wouldn't chlorine 
> bleach or a disinfectant like Lysol work?  Seems a bit safer.
> 
> 
> 			tim
> 
You could write or e-mail to the manufacturer but they might not know in which case 
would you really want to go near the stuff yourself let alone expose your bees to it. 
 
Chlorine bleach would affect your breathing what makes you think that your bees would 
not be similarly affected.

I believe that Lysol is a quarternary ammonium iodide product which should be safe 
but you should check for a more authouritive answer.  

I sterilise my hives with a blow torch.  I have a spare set and so I can sterilise 
that with the torch while inspecting for damage etc.  NB keep a bucket of water handy 
because any residual wax can burst into flames.

I do not know Thompson's Wood sealer and so I cannot give a definitive answer for 
that product but you when I was faced with a similar dilema I recalled my early days 
in a food laboratory when testing for insecticides etc.  This was before the days of 
modern instrumental chemistry and we used a quick and dirty pre-screening.  We kept a 
stock of fruit flies and if they died when exposed to an extract form the sample 
under analysis this indicated a pesticide.  (the flies were kept in excellent 
conditions and were given extra rations of broth at Christmas, sometimes they got a 
small tot of rum so please dont acuse me of cruel animal experiments)

I tried the same sort of experiment when selecting a water based preservative for my 
hive.  I painted a small piece of wood and allowed it to dry for 2-3 days.  I placed 
it in a jar with about 10 fruit flies which I had captured (not as easy as it seems). 
In a second jar I set up a control with no wood.  I placed some porridge (cooked) in 
each jar and let them get on with it.  I observed them every day for about a week 
after which time I judged that it was safe to paint the spare hive.  I allowed about 
a week for the paint to dry and any fumes to evaporate before puting the bits into 
use.  

I guess that the points to look out for are (a) not to paint the hive while it is 
occupied, they try to help and will get their feet stuck!(b) to allow a week or so to 
dry and (c) test the paint on some volunteers first and a few fruit flies are cheaper 
than a hive of bees.
-- 

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"We dance round in a ring and suppose,
 But the Secret sits in the middle and knows."  (Robert Frost The Secret Sits.)
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From meaderyman@delphi.com Wed Nov  8 10:39:04 EST 1995
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From: Robert Allen Stevens <meaderyman@delphi.com>
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Subject: Re: Russian pure bee wax for sale!
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Please contact me directly with information on price  and
quality of container
loads of beeswax you have for sale.  Thank-you.


From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Wed Nov  8 10:39:05 EST 1995
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From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.)
Subject: Drones in November
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Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now?

I have two hives in the back yard, in southern New Hampshire USA
and one still has drones.  The hive acts very normal with a slight
buzz when first opened (Top cover comes off) and the bees raise
their hind ends as to sting but then they quiet right down and
go about their business.  It appears to be queenright
although I am reluctant to go down inside. Activity is good weather permitting.
However I see a few drones, not as large
as they should be but drone shaped and bulky.  Size wise they
are between a worker and a real summer time party boy.
Am I alone?

Dave Verville
Plaistow, NH  USA
att!mvtowers!mvdfv


From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Nov  8 10:39:06 EST 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
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Subject: Bee sting immunity in people and skunks
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*Some good information off the b-list
From: Jerry J Bromenshenk <jjbmail@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Date:         Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:42:20 -0700
Subject:      Bee sting immunity in people and skunks

Like several recent postings, the split/splitless debate seems to have
dominated the discussion, when the original request was for people to
contact Allen.

In an attempt to start a different thread, I'd like to go back to the
postings about people and bee allergies and skunks and bee predation.

A good discussion of allergies occurs in Justen Schmidt's chapter (no.
27) in the most recent version of the Hive and the Honey Bee.

I agree with most of what Justin says, but differ on a couple of points.

To the best of our knowledge, no one starts out allergic to bee stings,
that develops after one or more stings.  Most people seem to go one way
or the other, either you get less sensitive or more sensitive.  Lots of
references will explain this to you.

The more interesting aspects to me are the differences seen in individual
responses and the work done by one of our Missoula allergists, Dr. Bell,
who has some evidence that allergies to bees tend to be more common in
the family members of beekeepers than in the general population (even if
the family members do not work with the bees).

In my own case, I am allergic to just about everything except bee
stings.  As a child growing up on a farm, I couldn't drive past a green
alfalfa field without wheezing.  Took five years of desensitizing shots
(yep, I was one of the earliest test cases for this procedure back in the
50's) before I became halfway functional.

However, after 20 years of bee stings, I rarely swell, even if stung on
the wrists or eyelid - worst case is a slightly tired looking eye.

Most stings do not even hurt, pain ranges from a slight prick to nothing
(especially in my forearms), although a direct hit on a nerve ending
still hurts like heck.

On the other extreme is one of my students who I will call R.A.  R.A. is
a young woman who has worked for me for three years.  She is very gentle
with the bees and likes to work with them.  After 3 or 4 stings spread
across an entire summer, R.A. developed one of the worst cases of
sensitivity to bee stings that Dr. Bell had seen (at least as evidenced
by the skin test).  She wanted to keep working bees, so last winter, she
took the whole venom de-sensitizing shots.  This spring, she went back to
work.  She keeps an adrenaline kit handy, but hasn't had to use it.

The reason I mention this is that many doctors and even Justin recommend
not getting the shots.  Among my colleagues, one who does field work in
remote areas also became hypersensitive, took the shots, and is now okay,
although he needs occassional booster shots.

On the other hand, one of our beekeepers has two teenagers, both became
allergic, both got the shots, one can work bees, the other can't.

The reason for this lengthy discourse is to comment on the people who are
allergic but work bees with an adrenaline kit close at hand.  Personally,
having seen what a severe reaction can do and how fast (and I have
experienced them personally, not from bee stings, but from other
allergies), I would not take the risk.  I don't enjoy bees so much that I
would risk my life.  On the other hand, I think anyone who wants to work
around bees or to enjoy the out-of-doors without fears of stinging
insects and who is allergic should seriously consider the de-sensitizing
shots.  For me, the peace of mind (and the lack of allergy symptoms) is
well worth the bother and the expense.  And yes, they are expensive, in
part because so few people get them (the old supply and demand equation).

So what does this have to do with skunks?  Yep, here in Montana, skunks
eat bees.  I have seen them do it, have even been known to re-locate, and
once dispatched one (for research purposes, you understand).

Liz, they aren't blinded nor is there any evidence that they can't smell
with a nose full of stingers.  Do they get stung?  Yes!!  Lots of stings,
and not just externally, you can find stingers in the mouth and throat
and I suspect even farther down the G.I. tract.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.  They come each night to the same
hives, scratch at the entrances, wait till the bees flood out, and start
licking them up.  Looks like when things get really hot and heavy they
move over to the next hive.  But maybe they just decide to try some other
bees.  Worst part is that every evening just about dusk you can count on
your skunk to repeat the process.  If left unchecked, I have seen a skunk
decimate strong hives.  You can always tell which are the favorites,
scratches on the front of the hive, generally digging in the dirt just in
front of the hive, fecal pellets full of bees.

Now for the academic question.  Are these skunks naturally resistant to
bee stings, or do they like bees so much that they keep eating them.  If
a skunk becomes hypersensitive, it probably dies in the bushes.  If the
skunk goes the other way, well things should just get better.  However,
even with my high degree of immunity, bees just don't seem that tasty,
but then again, I'm not a skunk.

The question is:  Why don't bee stings bother skunks? (or at least these
stings don't cause enough of a problem to deter them from eating bees)

If skunks are naturally resistant to bee stings, I don't remember seeing
any data to support this nor any explaination of a mechanism.

If skunks are borne resistant to bee stings, could that knowledge bee
used to protect humans?

Anyway, if anyone has any factual information concerning this issue, I'd
like to know about it.  You can post your comments to me, or to the list
if you have an answer.

Thanks

Jerry J. Bromenshenk
The University of Montana
jjbmail@selway.umt.edu

P.S.  After 24 years of bee research, I guess I have to confess to being
one of those academics lurking on this server.


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mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) wrote:

>Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now?
>Am I alone?
Dave,
   You're not alone.  I was just in my hives pulling
the Apistan Strips out and noticed a few drones.
Not many but a few.  My guess is that these were
the last ones raised in the colony and they just
haven't been *eliminated* yet.  (women always
love that story about how the ladies get rid of the
useless males and just grow more males when
they need 'em).  I noticed that I only saw a few
drones in my strongest hives (i.e., the hives with
the most stored honey and a strong healthy 
worker population).



From mjensen@crl.com Wed Nov  8 10:39:08 EST 1995
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From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen)
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Subject: Re: Drones in November
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 19:55:30 -0800
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In article <47p2fs$6oe@news.iadfw.net>, busykngt@mail.airmail.net wrote:

> mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) wrote:
> 
> >Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now?
> >Am I alone?
> Dave,
>    You're not alone.  I was just in my hives pulling
> the Apistan Strips out and noticed a few drones.

One of the effects of varroa, especially if the strips did not happen to
get inserted directly down between actual brood (for example placed in a
second story which is completely full of honey) is that the varroasis can
proceed to the point where the queen becomes a drone layer, and some small
drones start appearing. You know you have problems if any of these drones
have deformed wings.

Mark Jensen              Double J Apiaries        mjensen@crl.com


From dcleaves@mitre.org Wed Nov  8 10:39:08 EST 1995
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From: David Cleaves <dcleaves@mitre.org>
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I currently have for sale a nice copy of "Beekeeping in the Midwest" by 
Elbert R. Jaycox, published in 1981 by the University of Illinois.  The 
169 page book is in great condition with clean pages and no page tears.  
The yellow card covers do have a previous owners signature inside the 
front cover.  The book covers all aspects of colony life, beekeeping 
equipment, seasonal management, and techniques.  If interested, the book 
is available for $5 plus $2 postage. Please email to "dcleaves@mitre.org" 
if you would like any additional info.  Thanks, and best regards.

Dave



From pete1960@net2.intserv.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:48 EST 1996
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From: pete1960@net2.intserv.com (Peter Gentile)
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In article <netrom.822321736@find2.dbc.bib.dk>, netrom@find2.dbc.bib.dk 
says...
>
>
>Okay, I admit it, I'm stunned. I never expected to find a newsgroup
>dedicated to beekeeping. Anyway, I am posting this letter for a friends,
>friends father, who seems to be looking for places to get in contact
>with other beekeepers (if I interpret the note correct).
>

If the existance of this newsqroups stuns you, you'll be shocked by the 
vast amount of state, local, national and internationl beekeeping 
associations, clubs and other recources.  Beekeeping is vastly more 
important than you think.

Use your web searcher and typ in beekeeping, bee culture or apiculture.  
Also, there are many, many magazines and trade publiications available 
world wide. 

I'm not familiar with the country code at the end of your domain address, 
where do live?

Hope I've helped,

Pete, NJ



From miksahf@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:49 EST 1996
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Can anyone tell us how long the Tucson Lab will remain open?   Is it 6 or
12 months?  


From janetkatz@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:50 EST 1996
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From: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz)
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Subject: Suggestions Wanted
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I'm the Secretary/Treasurer of the Morris County Beekeepers Association in
New Jersey. It seems that the officers of our group always struggle to
find good programs to present at our meetings, which are held about six
times a year. If anyone has suggestions for speakers, presentations, etc.
that would be appropriate for a gathering of beekeepers, I'd sure like to
hear them.

Of course, if there's anyone out there who'd like to be a speaker or
presenter at one of our meetings, please contact me.

I can be reached at JanetKatz@aol.com.
Janet A. Katz


From kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:50 EST 1996
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From: kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (Keith G. Benson)
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Subject: Wisconsin
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Hi,

Does anyone know if there is a Wisconsin Beekepers group and, if so, how one 
would reach them??

Many thanks,,

Keith Benson



From yrh@fox.nstn.ca Sat Jan 27 22:40:51 EST 1996
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From: yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin)
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Subject: Heating Honey ?
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Hi

I want to heat some honey to put in glass jars and honey bears for sale. 
I don't want the honey to cream in the jars/bears. I don't want to heat the
hone more than I have to. What is the best temperature ?



From miksahf@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:52 EST 1996
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I understand the USDA may have done such testing of bleach, salts,
minerals, etc.

The USDA Lab I worked at for a number of years did tests of water
supplies,  but that information may have to come from quarter reports
found at the Tucson Lab only.   That is if those reports are still there! 
        Some hassle was caused when several of us coppied the information
>from  those reports on the importation by the USDA of AHB's for several
years from Dr. Kerr in Brazil between 1959-61, it would not surprise me if
those reports have been destroyed.      But, the one study in Madison I
understand is only one of  several using bleach.    

We are now studing the use of a special mineral source that has 200
minerals in each dose.   There are only two mines known in the world that
have 200 trace minerals in them.    Honeybees are animals and are a
product of the earth, they require many minerals to remain healthy.

For the past 30+ years in commercial beekeeping, I have never had such
good colonies of honeybees without the use of non-approved products for
all the colonies in my operation as I've had in the past ten years.     

David Miksa 
Miksahf@aol.com


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To any beekeepers living in Belguim,

I tasted a jar of honey from the Nazereth Eak area. I believe it to be
Lime.

Can anyone please confirm that this is a likely flora source in the
area and give me any more relevant information.

Les Simms





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In article <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net>, postmaster@beelines.thegap.com (Les Simms) writes:
To any beekeepers living in Belguim,

>I tasted a jar of honey from the Nazereth Eak area. I believe it to be
>Lime.
>
>Can anyone please confirm that this is a likely flora source in the
>area and give me any more relevant information.
>
>Les Simms


If Lime is a Lemon tree (Citrus aurantifolia:  a spiny tropical citrus tree 
with elliptic oblong narrowly winged leaves and small globose greenish yellow 
fruit with an acid juicy pulp used as a flavoring agent and as a source of 
ascorbic acid .... pft ;-]), you are definitely wrong.

If you mean Lime-tree (genus Tilia-family Tiliaceae,/in dutch "linde"), then
you are right : it is the main nectar flow in our area during summer.
You find many lime-trees in all parks and suburban lanes and streets.
The lime-tree blooms here from the first week of june un-tilia ;-) the end 
of july. On hot days you can smell the nectar from afar and many many bees
are collecting nectar on it.
Some species give a nectar that poisons insects : you often find a lot of
dead bumble bees under these trees.

Hugo

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From tvf@umich.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:54 EST 1996
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From: "Theodore V. Fischer" <tvf@umich.edu>
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josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) wrote:

> I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in my 
>area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for politics...I'd 
>rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* 
>comprehensive book?  

I agree with another posted response, that "The Hive and the Honey Bee"
is the best and most comprehensive book.  However, there are many others
which are in various degrees less technical.  Check out the beekeeping 
section of your local library: one you may find useful is something like
"A Year in the Beeyard", which, though not the exact title, will help
you get a feel for what should be done throughout the year.  Read every
book you can get your hands on - then you will get a "feel" for what
happens in the apiary.

Although it may be difficult getting to know local beekeepers, I would recommend that you get in touch with your local or state beekeeper's
association.  They usually have regular (annual, semiannual) meetings,
which can be the source of much important and timely information.

Good luck.

Ted Fischer



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I'm in Richmond VA - USA - and 1 hive costs about $100 mail order, bees
and queen for a starter hive - $50 - 100.  This is all new, unassembled
bee equipment.  Giving the bees feed during the startup year is a pain,
along with the medications, but the meds are only 2 times a year - so no
biggie really.  If your hive builds up enough honey stores and you have a
mild winter climate, you shouldn't have to feed after their first year.

I've not requeened my hive yet, but I helped a friend do his last year,
and am NOT looking forward to doing that again.  The bees DEFINITELY DO
NOT LIKE THAT.

ccoplan@infi.net
or maybe - ccoplan@richmond.infi.net



> I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want
> to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health,
> etc.) before I take the next steps. 
> 
> What would be a good place to start?
> 
> Thank you for your help.


From dneate@bgnet.bgsu.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:56 EST 1996
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From: dneate@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Dwight Arthur Neate)
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In a previous article, yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) says:

>Hi
>
>I want to heat some honey to put in glass jars and honey bears for sale. 
>I don't want the honey to cream in the jars/bears. I don't want to heat the
>hone more than I have to. What is the best temperature ?
>
>

     I have found that heating the honey to 100 degrees F allows for easy
pooring but with out the loss of taste or the taste of burnt honey.  Make 
sure not to heat the honey to fast.  Us a double boiler type heating 
system. Do not apply the honey directly to heat.
-- 
Dwight A Neate--finally a Computer Science Senior--hopefully shorty a 
graduate 


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Here I stand.
 
 Over the last few months I firmly decided to attempt to 'keep' bees. I 
ordered the little buggers, so I am commited.
 Having more money than brains ( not a great feat ) I decided to dump the 
concept of a 'beginner's kit. I am following the boiled down versions of Roger 
Morse and a (excuse me can't QUITE recall ) Mr Vivian (?).
 I have obtained a number of mail order catalogs ( Brushy Mtn, Kelley, Root ) 
and have determined what SHOULD be needed. 
 I have been lurking here for some time and have observed various medications 
being discused and discarded. My question is one you have answered many times, 
 I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in my 
area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for politics...I'd 
rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* 
comprehensive book?  


From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:57 EST 1996
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
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From WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 27 22:40:59 EST 1996
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From: WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton)
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Does anyone know how to make the pollen substitute which is frequently
fed to bees during the spring time?

I recently bought some "Flying Start" pollen substitue (soya based)
>from  Thornes of Wragby at 3.90 (GBP) per 2 lb bag and was wondering if
it was more economic to make it up myself or buy it from a beekeeping
suppliers.

The idea is that you add water and mix the powder into a paste which
you then cover with waxed paper to prevent it from drying out. Then
you feed between 0.5 and 1 lb of the stuff to each colony (depending
upon how strong the colony is) by leaving it on the top bars above the
brood area at a time of the year when natural pollen is in short
supply (e.g. spring / autumn). That way, the colony is supposed to
build up faster than if they were reliant upon naturally occurring
pollen alone.

Since I have never used this stuff before, I would also be grateful
for any information from beekeepers with experience of this product.


Many Thanks,

- Paul -



Paul Walton
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From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:00 EST 1996
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From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris)
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In article <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
dfranson@ix.netcom.com(Donald L. Franson ) writes:
 
>
>The proper temperature to heat honey to is 170 F. for 5 minutes and
>then quickly cool the honey to under 130 F.
>
 
I'm challenging this statement and request sources.  The 170 deg F
figure seems quite high when compared to the recent discussion on BEE-L
(See BEE-L LOG9601) where recommended temperatures were more towards
the 120 deg F range.  I don't mean to start a flame war, I'm just wondering
if this is the method that works for Don Franson or is this a method
that is advocated by beekeeping experts in general, and if so, who are
those experts?
 
Inquiring minds want to know!
Aaron Morris


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On Thu, 25 Jan 96 07:06:05 GMT, josephj@surf-ici.com wrote:

> I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in
my 
> area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for
politics...I'd 
> rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* 
> comprehensive book?  
> Here I stand.

"The" one comprehensive book I have is Dadant's, "The Hive and the
Honeybee."
It is far more comprehensive then I will ever put to use but nontheless a
very 
good book. I must add though that no book will take the place completely
of
information you can obtain by talking with other beekeepers. I too have
found
tieing in with local beekeepers in my area not to work for me but do keep
up via email with beekeepers from other areas. I'm sure others can suggest
"their" favorite comprehensive book.

-Barry 


From EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Sat Jan 27 22:41:01 EST 1996
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Hi All,
I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey.  Someone on the
rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there
is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able
to buy in???
please contact me at home....
castoff1@netport.com
I am Victoria

Thanks for any help you can give.


From leroy@ccinet.ab.ca Sat Jan 27 22:41:02 EST 1996
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I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want
to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health,
etc.) before I take the next steps. 

What would be a good place to start?

Thank you for your help.



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My sister reports witnessing on one day and in two different areas some 
wild bees (bumblebees, I think) locked in a circle, head to tail, 
stinging each other in some kind of mass suicide or homicide.  
Apparently, it was also a particularly dry season in Ottawa, Canada.  She 
begged me to search the Internet for an answer to this peculiar ritual.  
Can anybody help?  Replies to mmgreen@emckl.po.my, please.  Thanks!



From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:04 EST 1996
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: OLd Drone Surfs the Net
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:08:00 GMT
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JC>From: Jon Camp <sca@silvercity.mv.com>
  >Subject: Re: USDA Software

  >>     * Download PC-Redapol (REDAPOL.ZIP)

  When I got this software I found out you need BENHEX 4.0 to
decode it. I have not found that yet, but if I do I will let you
know.

JC>Way cool Andy, but where might that "Download" be located?
  >I just spent 45 min. looking through the USDA web pages, and the
  >few search engines I managed to find came up blank on
  >Redapol.zip.  How about a URL to go with this wonderful piece of
  >earth-shaking software?

Hello Jon,

  The OLd Drone is sorry for your trouble, the software is at the GEARS
site at the University of Arizona if that helps. I guess I will pass on
my first experience's at net surfing, OLd Drone style. First I have no
windows in my main computer as it is dedicated to the Wild Bee's BBS
(209) 826-8107, and the bbs is a DOS program and to support the
two dial up nodes the cpu is in a 486-66 box with 20 megs of memory and
a gig and half of hard drives plus cd rom drives and a Mega back up
system. The cpu does connect to the internet by phone for about one
hour a day passing e-mail and use net mail via a uucp connection and
connects to another net mail server for the Wild Net bbs echo mail
all using 28.8 bd modems.

  So my hardware and software has disadvantaged me as to surfing the net
with the middle class. I read about it, and see it on the boob tube,
but have not had the experience until the good folks of this small
farm town, Los Banos, Ca, decided they wanted to get on the net. Wow,
250 signed a petition to get it, (in 5 years only 40 of them had ever
called this bbs)<G> Well a few of us formed a computer club and made
an effort. No provider would put a line in for our small group and it
looked bleak, as we know from a lifetime of doing business here if it
cost money forget it. Well to shorten the story and get to more
interesting things, MCI came in and offered a program to all the people
of California. 12$ a month, free weekends, free late niter, software
supplied, (Windows & Mac NetScape), and 95 cents after 60 hrs of prime
time, what a deal,...oh I forgot its a free 800 # to call to make the
connection. MSI is looking to capture the market and all should check
to see if this deal is available in your own state, check with you
local school's as the original MCI program was aimed at providing
internet access to rural schools that could not afford the high cost
of a T1 service.

  So this OLd Drone is surfing the net using a old TL2 from the Shack,
heck its been doing my bookkeeping for years since upgrading from
the Trash 80 so it should be good enough for the internet highway.

Anyway I don't get the fancy pictures and use tools like YAHOO, Gopher,
www, and many other search engines to get around. And I have been
getting around, not in the efficient way other's may do, but I am having
a ball and learning how the internet works from both a old beekeepers
and systems administrator of a bbs advantage. I have also used the
NETSCAPE on other's computer as you can imagine all the local people
need help in getting it going so I had to do it myself so I could help
others. But even then I could not help the guy who did not understand
you needed a computer and modem to surf the net.<G>

  Anyway, I use Yahoo to find the BEEKEEPING HOME PAGE and from there
moved out to other sites. The beekeepers home page is my pivot point
to surfing and I have not had a problem finding much beekeeping
information and interesting sites to visit from there. I was delighted
to find that Wild Bee's BBS Beekeeping FAQ system shares several home
page's and that explains some of the 250 requests that come in each
month for FAQ's from all over the internet highway.

  I know that most of you more then likely are doing net surfing from
Window's programs like NetScape and that's the way to go. I will from
time to time mention or pass on what I have found doing it from a less
voyeuristic advantage with a minimal hardware set up, QMODEM in vt 100 mode
and a well used old 14.4 bd modem, for those who also may find a
affordable internet host like the MCI Telis system and are not sure if
they want to get on the internet highway and don't do no windows as
"no real bee man does windows". Just kidding girls, "no real bee person
does windows".

HINT #1, find the "Beekeeping Home Page" and move out from there.

                               ttul Andy-



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From bahaus@primenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:05 EST 1996
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From: bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus)
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I am trying to locate a used honey color grader similar to the one
Kelley's has in their catalog.  I've been "eye-balling" my honey to
match colors and to blend different colors, and it's been fairly
consistent for me, but I'd like to get it even more consistent if
possible.  Also, if anyone out there has had experience using a color
grader, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  



From sca@silvercity.mv.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:05 EST 1996
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andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote:
>
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:07:12 -0800
>Subject: index.html
>
>/USDA Software Archive
>
>
>     _________________________________________________________________
>
>                                  IT'S HERE!
>
>     * Learn how to manage honey bee colonies cost-effectively while
>       maximizing profits!
>
>     _________________________________________________________________
>
>(IMAGE) Redapol
>
>   Developed by Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman et al.
>          A computer-based model simulating the interactions of weather,
>          bloom, and honey bee foraging activity that culminate in
>          'Delicious' apple fruit-set. The model predicts the percentage
>          of blossoms setting fruit based upon weather conditions,
>          orchard de sign, tree characteristics, and honey bee colonies
>          per hectare. Now available in a complete archive (.ZIP file).
>
>     * Download PC-Redapol (REDAPOL.ZIP)


Way cool Andy, but where might that "Download" be located?
I just spent 45 min. looking through the USDA web pages, and the
few search engines I managed to find came up blank on 
Redapol.zip.  How about a URL to go with this wonderful piece of 
earth-shaking software?

                        Jon C.

"I've got the time; just not the money"      



From rbattle@servco.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:06 EST 1996
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From: rbattle@servco.com (Ron M. Battle)
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Subject: Need info on top bar African style hives
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I would appreciate any info on building, maintaining, buying, etc.
African style topbar hives.

Thanx,

-Ron   rbattle@servco.com





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From: mcmarcel@aol.com (MCMarcel)
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If anyone who like honeycomb beeswax sheets for rolling  your own candles
( in 40 different colors) contact me . They are wonderful because they are
dripless & has a  lovely  scent of honey plus they are easy to clean your
candle holders. E-mail me at:   MCMarcel@aol.com 


From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:09 EST 1996
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From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris)
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In article <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk>
WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton) writes:
 
>
>Does anyone know how to make the pollen substitute which is frequently
>fed to bees during the spring time?
>
 
Pollen substitutes are relatively easy to make up, mixing soy flower
with 2:1 sugar syrup.  The dry ingredients (soy flour) used to be
offered in Dadant's catalog (I imagine it still is, but am not positive)
and came with an exact recipe.  The bees will more readily accept the
substitute if it includes real pollen (BusyKnight's advice about
trapping and freezing your own is sound).  If you have enough trapped
pollen there is no need for substitutes, but soy flour is an
acceptable way to stretch a limited pollen supply.  Furthermore, pollen
substitute patties are a good vector for delivering terramycin to your
bees, following a similar dosage for Crisco patties (also in Dadant's
catalog).
Aaron Morris
Upstate New York hobby beekeeper (12 hives, 20 years).


From dfranson@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:13 EST 1996
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The proper temperature to heat honey to is 170 F. for 5 minutes and
then quickly cool the honey to under 130 F.  

If it not practical to cool the honey quickly then heat to 140 F. and
hold this temperature for 30 minutes.  Lower tempuratures (even for
longer periods) is not practical because the honey will regranulate in
short order.  Higher temperatures will cause loss of flavor and a
darkening of color. 

When heating honey from granulated state it is important to agitate the
honey so that it is not burnt while heating, keep it stirred untill the
crystals are gone.


From rshough@tasc.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:14 EST 1996
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In article <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com>, josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph
Jucha) queried:

>What is *THE* comprehensive book?  

Ditto earlier responses regarding "The Hive and the Honeybee" - that is
the "beekeepers bible" (IMHO) It is an excellent reference book, but very
large and intimidating. For a good starting place, I like Richard Bonney's
two books, although the titles escape me at the moment. Our county beekeeping
organization has used his books as the text for our beginning beekeeping
class, and they seem well received.

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* TASC                   * Phone: (617) 942-2000   *
* 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX:   (617) 942-7100   *
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Jon Camp <jac@silvercity.mv.com> wrote:
> Most of the smaller
>producers I know heat to 110 
Here in Texas during July and August our
smallest "packers" ALWAYS tolerate 110
   
     :-)





From tvf@umich.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:16 EST 1996
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From: "Theodore V. Fischer" <tvf@umich.edu>
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Subject: Re: Amateur beekeeper
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ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) wrote:

>I've not requeened my hive yet, but I helped a friend do his last year,
>and am NOT looking forward to doing that again.  The bees DEFINITELY DO
>NOT LIKE THAT.

There really should be no more problem in requeening a hive than in any 
other normal beekeeping procedure.  I usually requeen most of my hives
every year, and find that the results are well worth the effort.

However, one of the good reasons for requeening is to replace a queen 
that produces overly agressive offspring; therefore one has to deal 
with these very offspring when looking for their mother queen, and that 
can often be difficult.  I like to do this as early in the year as is 
realistically possible so I don't have to cope with a huge hive 
population.  In general, I find that small populations of bees are less 
aggressive than large hives.  

Another tip: Before starting to look for the queen, I separate the two
(or sometimes three) hive bodies and set them apart. I notice which one 
has the most young brood, and start looking through the frames in that
separated hive body first.  That way, the queen can't run up and down
the frames of the whole hive during the inspection - she has to be in
one hive body or the other.  Also, only part of the bee population only
has to be disturbed if the queen is in the first examined hive body.

Yes, requeening is a lot of hard work, especially in the spring, when
my winter muscles aren't used to heaving hive bodies.  But it is one
of my most enjoyable times with the bees, for it gives me the
opportunity to really see what each hive is like, and note the potential
problems and strengths of each.  Now, late summer requeening is another
subject...

Ted Fischer




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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
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Subject: Dried or powdered honey??
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E>From: EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Victoria Briggs)
 >Subject: Dried or powdered honey??

 >I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey.  Someone on the
 >rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there
 >is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able
 >to buy in???

Hello Victoria,

   I don't know and have wondered about suppliers myself for years,
but was not interested enough to find out. When you find out let
us all know.

   I would suggest that you call the HONEY HOTLINE at 1-800-356-3941
>from  the US or Canada or you can e-mail them at

 74512.2455@compuserve.com

   You might also ask them why they don't have a "home page" on the
internet, (hint, hint).

   This months HONEY HOTLINE, from the Food Technology & Product
Research Program is very topical. As we read about the soap company
that has received government permission to sell snack foods with some
chemical replacement for high caloric fats, something akin to adding
plastics to our food, that won't kill you, but may make your trips to
the potty a little more frequent if you overdose on snack foods.

Which is nothing new as if you eat the whole can or package of most
any snack food you will suffer the next day anyway.

   Anyway, this months articles on "Honey:An Ingredient of Choice in
Healthy Snack Formulations" and "The Role of Honey in Quality
Improvement of Sliced Oil-Free Potato Chips" are just a couple of
reports on research on the use of Honey in industrial cooking. Any
Honey Producer in the US can request to be placed on the mailing
list for the HONEY HOTLINE by calling the above number and our foreign
producers are welcome to ask, try using the e-mail address above or
snail mail:
                P.O. Box 281525
                San Francisco, CA
                94128-1525 USA
                                    ttul Andy-


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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: Dried or powdered honey??
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                    ----------------------------------------
E>From: EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Victoria Briggs)
 >Subject: Dried or powdered honey??

 >I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey.  Someone on the
 >rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there
 >is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able
 >to buy in???

Hello Victoria,

   I don't know and have wondered about suppliers myself for years,
but was not interested enough to find out. When you find out let
us all know.

   I would suggest that you call the HONEY HOTLINE at 1-800-356-3941
>from  the US or Canada or you can e-mail them at

 74512.2455@compuserve.com

   You might also ask them why they don't have a "home page" on the
internet, (hint, hint).

   This months HONEY HOTLINE, from the Food Technology & Product
Research Program is very topical. As we read about the soap company
that has received government permission to sell snack foods with some
chemical replacement for high caloric fats, something akin to adding
plastics to our food, that won't kill you, but may make your trips to
the potty a little more frequent if you overdose on snack foods.

Which is nothing new as if you eat the whole can or package of most
any snack food you will suffer the next day anyway.

   Anyway, this months articles on "Honey:An Ingredient of Choice in
Healthy Snack Formulations" and "The Role of Honey in Quality
Improvement of Sliced Oil-Free Potato Chips" are just a couple of
reports on research on the use of Honey in industrial cooking. Any
Honey Producer in the US can request to be placed on the mailing
list for the HONEY HOTLINE by calling the above number and our foreign
producers are welcome to ask, try using the e-mail address above or
snail mail:
                P.O. Box 281525
                San Francisco, CA
                94128-1525 USA
                                    ttul Andy-


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From afn19108@afn.org Sat Jan 27 22:41:18 EST 1996
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Hi,

The Bees! is an animated cursor scheme for the Windows '95
desktop.  Drop the site and download the scheme.

Animated Cursor Schemes for Windows '95 (tm)! objective is to 
eradicate the blandness of the Windows '95 (tm) mouse pointer.
Won't you please help?

    http://www.islandnet.com/~wwseb/cursors.htm

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From miksahf@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:32 EST 1996
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Best stock for the SYMPTOMS of Acrapis woodi is Brother Adams "Buckfast"

David Miksa, owner Miksa Honey Farms
35 years in queen rearing and AI breeding


From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:33 EST 1996
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WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton) wrote:
Paul,
   As an alternate consideration, you might buy (or build) a pollen
trap and just trap *real* pollen to feed your bees.  When I trap
pollen during the pollen flow here in Texas, I can usually get about
half a pound per day off just one hive.  And the pollen "flow" lasts a
couple of weeks so there's plenty of pollen to clean and sell too.
The trap I use also does not starve the colony, in fact they seem to 
do better.  I freeze the cleaned pollen in a chest freezer and it
keeps very well. Of course I wouldn't bother cleaning the pollen if I
was just gona feed it back to the bees.
BusyKnight
Dallas, TX
   





From jac@silvercity.mv.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:33 EST 1996
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ADM, "food basket to the world", sells spray dried honey.
I bought some a couple of years back.  It comes in a couple of 
forms; w/wo maltodextrin,wheat starch, lecithin and calcium
stearate.  Most of these additional additives are used in the
drying process or added after to deter caking.  Comes powdered
or flaked.  The version I found the best contained maltodextrin,
(no folks, it won't make you glow in the dark.) and was very
soluble.  Contact ADM (Archer, Daniels, Midland; a British 
Company, by the by.) at 4666 Faries Pkwy. Decatur, IL  62526
Tel. 217-424-7418  FAX  217-424-2473. It only comes in 50lb bags
by the way, and ADM does have a minimum.

                        Jon C.

                         



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leroy@ccinet.ab.ca (Larry Mousseau) wrote:
>I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want
>to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health,
>etc.) before I take the next steps. 
>What would be a good place to start?

Larry,
   Questions like this are very hard to answer.  There's been entire
books written on the subject.  First off, I trust that you're getting
into it as a hobby.  Beekeepers belong to a very small close-
knitt group (along with kooks, lunatics, fools, etc., etc.) especially
if you're entertaining the thought of "making money" at it.  
   I would recommend that you start off with just a couple of hives,
some good self-help books on mental health and a book or two on
beekeeping.  Start with a local club by all means (assuming there's
one around you somewhere).  Get to know a local beekeeper and
don't let his/her ways scare you off.  Order the catalogues from the
beekeeping supply companies and read and study them.  You can
also plan to spend about 100 to 150 bucks to just get started.  Make 
sure you want to do this....just think how much "store bought" honey
you could buy for $100.   Keeping bees ain't cheap honey BUT it is
the BEST honey you can get!
BusyKnight
Dallas, TX



From jac@silvercity.mv.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:35 EST 1996
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I think the method used is quite common among commercial packers.
The figure I was always led to believe was 160F, then a quick 
reduction to 110F via commercial cooling/refrig. units, then 
quickly bottled.  Some packers (here in NH for instance) prefer
granulated honey in drums, so that it may be liquified over a 
steam pipe grid, filtered through diatamaceous(sp)earth (while in
a warm state) then quickly cooled and bottled.  You might check
with Swans in Maine or Dutch Gold in Penn. to see what their 
method might entail; provided they're willing to release such
info.  Some packers keep that information confidential.  I don't 
believe many small producers would be willing to take on the cost 
of such flash heating and cooling equipment.  Most of the smaller
producers I know heat to 110 to filter, (via cloth)then cool to 
room temp. to settle for skimming, then to a water jacketed 
bottler to maybe 130-140F for 15-20 minutes, bottle, and cool 
back to room temp.  I know of at least a half dozen beekeepers 
that use this method.  Many will pack into buckets after 
skimming, and reheat or liquify for bottling when filling an 
order for bottled honey.  Most of these producers are in the 3 to
15 ton area of honey production. 





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Where can I find photos of bees ? Thanks in advance.



From amschelp@pe.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:37 EST 1996
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>If you mean Lime-tree (genus Tilia-family Tiliaceae,/in dutch "linde"), then
>you are right : it is the main nectar flow in our area during summer.
>You find many lime-trees in all parks and suburban lanes and streets.
>The lime-tree blooms here from the first week of june un-tilia ;-) the end 
>of july. On hot days you can smell the nectar from afar and many many bees
>are collecting nectar on it.

We have lots of orange groves here in Hemet, California, and when the trees 
are in bloom the marvellous fragrance floats far and wide in the valley. The 
obvious point never occurred to me, until you mentioned it, that it is the 
nectar of the orange blossoms that is giving off that fragrance. Merci 
beaucoup.


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            Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter
    Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764)
                Volume 14, Number 1 January 1996

                  HONEY QUALITY IN THE TROPICS

     What is the best honey?  That's an often-asked question for
which there is no pat response.  Answers can range from a short
retort to a lengthy description.  Honey quality lies in the eye of
the beholder and taster.  It's subjective in so many ways.  That's
why I don't enjoy judging honey shows.  For a more in-depth
discussion of this see ENY 129, Honey Judging and Standards.  I
will mail out copies on request while they last.

     Honey quality also is a matter of tradition.  If one looks at
apiculturally related activity in Europe, for example, a good deal
of effort goes into researching honey quality and each country has
a rigorous testing procedure.  In the United States, however, honey
quality often takes a back seat to management and other industry
issues.

     A periodic publication on the Internet by Andrew Matheson,
director of the International Bee Research Association (IBRA),
reveals some current European thinking on honey quality.  In
December, Mr. Matheson attended a meeting on tropical honey
organized by the group NECTAR, the Netherlands Expertise Centre for
Tropical Apicultural Resources.  Established in 1990, this non-
profit association is a focus for people in the Netherlands working
in tropical beekeeping and bee science (of whom there are quite a
few).  Speakers from nine different countries and a varied audience
pooled their knowledge and experience promoting considerable
discussion on the  harvest, composition, processing, storage and
marketing of honey in tropical apicultural systems.  Because
Florida lies in the subtropics, many of the issues addressed are
also of concern in the Sunshine State.  They are also important for
those who would like to keep abreast of developments in the export
market.

Moisture:

     One of the biggest problems facing beekeepers in tropical
areas is high water content in honey.  This can push the product
over the legal limit in many countries, according to Mr. Matheson.
It also may be responsible for fermentation.  However, Mr. Matheson
continues, in some cases a high-moisture product, and even a
fermenting one, is desirable.  If marketing is (in simple terms)
producing what the consumer wants, then fermenting honey can
sometimes fit the bill.  In some countries fermentation is a sign
of honey's freedom from adulteration, unlike what Mr. Matheson
calls that "squeaky-clean imported stuff" which has a dubious
reputation for purity.

     In general, however, high water content is a problem for
potential honey exporters, and often creates storage problems, Mr.
Matheson says.  Kwame Aidoo of Ghana gave the results of a small
survey of honey being sold by 40 beekeepers who use top-bar hives.
The average water content was 21.4% (range  17.6-24.0%).  The water
content can depend on season and region.  It also varies with the
plant species and even the kind of bee used.  As an example, the
water content of Apis cerana honey in Vietnam was reported as
follows: eucalyptus  27%, longan 24% and jujuba 23.5%.  Apis
dorsata honey came in at 28%, while Apis florea was 32.2%; the
latter two were observed four months after harvest, but
unfortunately the details of the storage conditions were not
supplied.  And at times, Mr. Matheson concludes, it is impossible
for bees to dry honey adequately.

     Although Mr. Matheson did not mention it, when the bees fail
to take out the moisture, it may be time for the beekeeper to step
in.  Honey producers in Canada have been leaders in developing
methods to dry honey in storage.  Many even take the crop before it
is capped and finish the drying job indoors.  I published a resume
of one technique in the fact sheet number ENY 130 entitled Moisture
in Honey.  Copies are still available on request.

Other Quality Measures:

     The European market, according the Mr. Matheson, is especially
sensitive to several quality parameters, especially diastase and
HMF levels.  Unfortunately, testing for these materials is somewhat
expensive, particularly for developing countries.  And sometimes
basic analyses for sucrose content, even water content, are beyond
the reach of some agencies.

     This could all change, however, thanks to work reported by J.
D.  Kerkvliet of the Netherlands, Mr. Matheson says.  A series of
five analytical methods, low in cost and simple to carry out, has
been developed to check for:

*    Water content;
*    Invert sugars and sucrose;
*    HMF;
*    Pollen and sugar cane plant cells; and
*    Enzyme levels;

These methods were developed as part of a Dutch-Nepalese project.
After they were implemented in Nepal, there was significant
improvement in honey quality.

     Mr. Matheson thinks those that analyze for pollen and enzyme
levels are especially valuable tests that almost anyone can use to
advantage.  To test for cane sugar adulteration, for example, honey
is centrifuged and examined microscopically.  Even a few percent of
cane sugar added will result in visible amounts of characteristic
parenchyma, slereid and epidermal cells, as well as simple rings
>from  ring vessels, originating from the sugar cane stem.  The test
is not 'fooled' by bees foraging on the cut stumps of sugar cane.
This method was written up in Apidologie 26: 131-139 (1995).

     For HMF, Mr. Matheson says, a relatively inexpensive
'Merckoquant' peroxide test strip can also be used to check for the
presence of hydrogen peroxide in a honey solution.  If peroxide
production is at least 10 micrograms per gram per hour at 20
degrees C, then HMF is less than or equal to 40 mg/kg (with a 95%
confidence level) and might even be below 20 mg/kg.  Unfortunately
this method has been written up only in Dutch (with an English
summary): [Screening method for the determination of glucose
oxidase activity in honey.]  Ware(n)chemicus 24: 160-163 (1994).
Dr  Kerkvliet told Mr. Matheson he plans to write a paper on this
in English.

Fair Trade in Tropical Honey:

     Many may have seen 'fair trade' products, especially in
Europe, according to Mr. Matheson.  Coffee and chocolate are the
usual products, but honey has now been added to this mix.  This
market segment is rapidly growing, and represents a real
opportunity for beekeepers in some tropical countries.  Mr.
Matheson gave an overview of a presentation by Jos. Harmsen of the
Max Havelaar/Trans Fair Seal organization.

     Mr. Matheson says it's important to realize that the Max
Havelaar organization doesn't sell honey itself; it is a quality
assurance body, promoting the 'fair trade' seal to consumers.  It
controls the licensees who use the seal and keeps a register of
producers.  The 'fair trade' seal system goes under the Max
Havelaar name in the Netherlands, Trans Fair in some other European
countries and Fair Trade in the UK.  The concept began a few years
ago, Mr. Matheson says, but the products were sold only in aid
shops or health food outlets so market share was destined to remain
small.  However, the Max Havelaar organization, formed in 1988
based on coffee, now appears in 90 percent of supermarkets; in 1993
chocolate was added and honey in 1994.  The organization works in
12 European countries now, and will be moving into two more during
1996.

     What constitutes fair trade?  The Max Havelaar organization
has developed a number of criteria, according to Mr. Matheson.  It
recommends buying directly from organizations of small beekeepers
that are democratically run, thus giving producers a say in how the
trade is conducted.  And it emphasizes paying a fair price, which
for honey is currently $US 1,550/tonne f.o.b. with a premium of $US
2000/ton for certified organic honey. It gives access to credit
facilities, with up to 60 percent of the contract price available
up front if requested, and enters into long-term contracts to
ensure security for the producers.

     The 'fair trade' seal can be used on retail containers only if
all the honey contained in them meets all these criteria, Mr.
Matheson says.  From promoting honey only in the Netherlands in
1994, and only there and in Switzerland in 1995, 330 tonnes of
honey was sold under the Max Havelaar/Trans Fair label in 1995.
With modest growth in those markets and the addition of Germany,
the volume for 1996 is expected to reach 1,100 tonnes.  Honey is
the responsibility of the German office of the Max Havelaar/Trans
Fair  Seal organization: TransFair International, Am Ochsenberg 16,
D-73614 Schorndorf, email tfi@oln.comlink.apc.org, fax (+49)
7181-65546, phone  (+49) 7181-65417.

     Using the best evidence available, according to Mr. Matheson,
only about 17 percent of the world's honey is produced in the
tropics.  There are several major problems involved:

1.  World market prices are low; domestic prices are usually
higher.
2.  Only high volume is deemed exportable; few have the wherewithal
to produce honey in quantity.
3.  High water content, foreign matter such as impurities from the
hive or the harvesting method, and adulteration with cane sugar are
also potential problems.
4.  HMF and diastase may also be elevated because of high
temperatures.

     In spite of the problems, Mr. Matheson says, opportunities
exist to increase trade.  They are:  1) activities of the 'fair
trade' organizations mentioned above and 2) the rise in organic
honey.  The latter, Mr. Matheson says, is growing in popularity.
And it's no longer a matter of producing honey in untouched
forested areas and slapping on an 'organic' label.  Both producing
and processing operations must be certified by an organization
recognized in the end market (such as the Soil Association in the
UK, Naturland in Germany and the VSBLO in Switzerland).
Requirements vary between certifying bodies, but for honey they
typically include these:

*    Bees must forage only in organically cultivated or natural
vegetation that has been free of pesticides for at least two years;
*    There should be no conventionally farmed land within 6 km;
*    The colony should not be destroyed at harvest;
*    Only organically produced beeswax may be used in foundation;
*    No instrumental insemination is permitted;
*    No artificial products may be used for feeding the bees, nor
any drugs  administered; and
*    Finally, there are rules about packaging and processing.

     Accreditation for organic marketing doesn't come cheaply,
according to Mr. Matheson.  It involves a field visit for an
African country--although some costs can be shared if several
producers are applying-- plus several hundred dollars per year
membership fee and a levy of 1 percent on sales.  But the market is
growing strongly, and is probably around 500 tons/year.

                    REMINDER ABOUT 4-H ESSAYS

     Remember that 4-H Essays are due by February 12, 1996 and they
must be forwarded to this office by a 4-H worker or official.  See
the September 1995 Apis for more details.

                       MEETINGS IN FLORIDA

     Several bee meetings will be taking place in Florida in
February:

1.  February 10, 1996 will mark the second annual Empire State
Honey Producers Association meeting in Florida at Archbold
Biological Station south of Lake Placid.  The phone number is
813/465-2571.

2.  Two workshops are planned at the Clay County Cooperative
Extension Service building west of Green Cove Springs, 2463 State
Road, 16W.  One for "beginners" is scheduled Saturday, February 17,
8:30 to 5:00.  The other for "more advanced" beekeepers will be the
next Saturday, February 24.  Interested persons can attend both if
sessions if they wish.  There is a $10/person fee, which includes
a catered lunch.  Reservations for both workshops must be in hand
by February 15, 1996.  For more information, call 904/269-6355,
904/284-6355 or 904/473-3711.

Sincerely,


Malcolm T. Sanford
Bldg 970, Box 110620
University of Florida
Gainesville, FL 32611-0620
Phone (352) 392-1801, Ext. 143
FAX: 352-392-0190
Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU
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To: Jon,Camp

The site you are looking for is GEARS (USDA beelab in Tucson).  
The web address is http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov.
The REDAPOL program is in dos but the Beekeeping Economics 
program was written for the Mac. The person I talked with at 
gears says they are rewriting it for the IBM platform. 

take care
Patrick M. O'Hearn
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The site you are looking for is GEARS (USDA beelab in Tucson).  
The web address is http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov.
The REDAPOL program is in dos but the Beekeeping Economics 
program was written for the Mac. The person I talked with at 
gears says they are rewriting it for the IBM platform. 

take care
Patrick M. O'Hearn
Bears Choice Honey
Aztec, NM
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Follow-up on Richard Bonney's books (I looked last night...)

"Hive Management : A Seasonal Guide for Beekeepers",
Richard E. Bonney, 1990, Garden Way Publishing
ISBN 0-88266-637-1 (pbk.)

"Beekeeping : A Practical Guide",
Richard E. Bonney, 1993, Garden Way Publishing
ISBN 0-88266-861-1 (pb)

I really like Dick's writing style - I find his work to be very
informative, and enjoyable reading too! 

Rick
A New England beekeeper with 20 colonies (last time I checked)

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From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:42 EST 1996
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From: John Caldeira <jcaldeira@earthlink.net>
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Subject: Unapproved Varroa Mite Treatments
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Are Mavrik, Spur and other forms of fluvalinate, or formic acid, commonly 
used to treat varroa-infested hives in the U.S.?  I realize these 
treatments are not currently approved for use with bees in the U.S., but 
does the cost difference provide a strong temptation for commercial 
beekeepers?

How widespread is the use of unapproved treatments?  Would appreciate 
learning from any speculation or knowledge on this.

Public or confidential private E-mail.

Thanks,
John Caldeira
  



From scott@terraport.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:44 EST 1996
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From: scott@terraport.net (Scott A. Binkley)
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Are there any experts out there who can tell me which is better, bee-bread,
orjust plain bee pollen.  I've heard that you cannot digest pollen, but once
the bees ferment it, it can be digested.  Is this true??

BTW you can Email me at: scott@terraport.net

/sb


From dizzybeezz@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:45 EST 1996
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I am new to beekeeping and honey extracting and packing.  Why does my
honey sometimes have a froth on top?  It seems to only happen with
crystalized honey that has been re-liquified.  Is something wrong with it?


I have been skimming it off the top.  It seems like it would make an
interesting component for a candy?????  Does anyone know if it has any
beneficial uses?


From Evol_Johnson@quorum.nacion.co.cr Mon Jan 29 11:17:45 EST 1996
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I'would like to know wich magazines or publications would you recommend 
for a beekeeping beginner.

Evol Johnson
San José, Costa Rica


From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:46 EST 1996
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From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
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 I like to recommend _The Beekeeper's Handbook_, by Diana Sammataro and
Alphonse Avitable, Collier, 1986, ISBN # 0-02-081410-0.

This might be hard to find, as it's out of print but I hear a new edition
is on the way. Diana Sammataro is on the net somewhere...maybe she'll fill
us in.

Adam
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From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:47 EST 1996
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From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
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In article <4ef7o9$e28@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, MiksaHF <miksahf@aol.com> wrote:
>Best stock for the SYMPTOMS of Acrapis woodi is Brother Adams "Buckfast"
>
>David Miksa, owner Miksa Honey Farms
>35 years in queen rearing and AI breeding


Mr. Miksa's bees are pretty good for T.M. tolerance too!

Adam
(graduate student and hobby bee breeder)
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From hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch Mon Jan 29 11:17:48 EST 1996
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From: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch (Hans-Ulrich THOMAS)
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Subject: Re: Need info on top bar African style hives
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In article <4ecr4v$3ai@cu.comp-unltd.com>, rbattle@servco.com (Ron M.
Battle) wrote:

>I would appreciate any info on building, maintaining, buying, etc.
>African style topbar hives.

>-Ron   rbattle@servco.com


Ron,

Try the following address:

Bees for Development
Troy
Monmouth  NP5 4AB
England

They also have an e-mail address:

- 100410.2631@compuserve.com

They have a video available as well as other information about topbar
hives. These people are active in 3rd world countries as their name
suggest and will certainly be able to help you.

Good luck

Hans

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- bees and beekeeping
- ants (yes these small little buggers!)
- nature printing

e-mail: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch
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From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein)
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Someone asked me for these recipes and since I cannot find their address
I'm posting them--remember, as with all recipes these work in specific
areas: ask your local beekeeper friends what they use, first--check with
your state apirist, apicultural extension specialist and/or county agent
as well.

The Frame soak is moot: I'd burn any frames if I had AFB...frames just
aren't worth the trouble. My opinion though.

ATTENTION: anything boiling is dangerous...be careful and use protective
clothing.



Extender Patty recipe:

15-18 TM patties:  6.4 oz(1 packet) TM 25 in 3 lbs sugar (either powdered
or granulated) Melt 3 lbs Crisco (barely melt) let cool to point it is a
little soupy, pour over sugar/TM mix, and mix thoroughly.  Measure out
1/4 to 1/3 pound portions onto wax paper, squash patty flat and let cool
(3/8 '' patty). Store patties in airtight container, as TM deteriorates in
air. Freezing patties in container works well.

--from David Lobdell and Steve Wolters, FLA Apiary inspectors.


Frame Bath for AFB control

Chlorine Bath:  4 oz. sodium hypochlorite : 100 gal H2O
1 gal Chlorine bleach : 100 gal H20
1 lb lye : 10gal H2O
(all H2O is boiling HOT)



Use at your own risk.
good luck,
Adam
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From ilr@the.link.ca Sat Feb 24 00:28:12 EST 1996
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From: Irma Robson <ilr@the.link.ca>
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Subject: Re: How can I process cappings with ease?
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Joel Govostes wrote:
> I have tried warming cappings to get the honey to separate out but this
> really doesn't work in my experience. You end up with cooked waxy honey
> and much of it stays mixed in with the cappings.

I am surprised that you had difficulty in getting the wax & honey to 
separate. My Dad used to melt 5 gal pails of cappings till they were 
thoroughly warmed through. He had an insulator he put arround the pails to 
ensure even heating, and just let the pail of cappings warm over very low 
heat. I remember him stirring the contents to ensure **EVEN HEATING** 
toward the end of the melting.

He poured the slurry through a cheesecloth filter, into the mould, which 
was also **insulated**. 
*** The secret here, may be to have the wax **COOL VERY VERY SLOWLY**. The 
separation of wax (on top) with honey on the bottom was excellent. 
A secondary result of slow cooling is a very smooth (show-quality) piece of 
wax. When the wax cools quickly, it buckles and cracks, & the honey gets 
into the cracks, & it is a mess to get cleaned up.

I have very good memories of the smell of rendering cappings, and the 
pungent taste of cappings rendered honey. My favorite honey of all was the 
redish honey that you get under the wax in the mould.

Homer.Robson@Develcon.com
Saskatoon, SK, CAN.


From moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:13 EST 1996
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	I'm planning to begin beekeeping this spring,
1 or 2 hives, and I'm trying to find a group or club
in my area. Can anyone suggest one for Middlesex County, 
Massachusetts?

	I would be interested in used equipment as well.
Thanks.


From pollinator@aol.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:14 EST 1996
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From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator)
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In article <4frm15$6up@nfs1.pe.net>, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel)
writes:

>I will be sure that 
>my bee babies will never forage for actual honey, but only for the nectar
of 
>flowers. It will be prohibited for them for as long as I am their
husband!

   In view of the potential problems, this could be the wisest choice for
many to not feed back wet cappings or supers.  

   But never say never, when it comes to robbing.  There is, after all:
the housewife who puts an open, unwashed jar of honey in the dumpster, the
spring deadout with LOTS of honey in the neighborhood (perhaps even in a
tree or house), the hive dying with varroa that is too weak to defend
itself, the hummingbird feeders that people fill with honey water (against
recommendations), etc. It could even be the frame you dropped and stepped
on, while working the bees, and the comb fell out, or the ones smashed
beyond repair by bears (boy, can that make a robbing frenzy!!).

   Our wildlife people pour honey all over a bear trap, when they are
trying to capture a bear (a dumb practice I've endeavored to stop).

   So there is always a potential for bees to rob, and sooner or later,
during a barren time, they will.

Pollinator@aol.com    Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway,  SC  29554

Pollinator@aol.com                                   Dave Green
Dave's Pollination Service         Eastern Pollinator Newsletter
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From bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca Sat Feb 24 00:28:14 EST 1996
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From: bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca (Brian Hetherington)
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second try on this one as someone said the was only a subject heading 
& no message...................................
I live in western Quebec Canada, I am having trouble with bees leaving
the hive on sunny but cold days but dying almost instantly. I know 
this happens on a small scale but I am loosing hundreds plus.
Does someone know why ??? What can be done to prevent problem?
Has anyone else experienced anything similar this winter ?

--
Brian. H.


From dags@wimsey.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:15 EST 1996
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From: dags@wimsey.com (Darlene Scribilo)
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Time: february 19, 1996. 07:47


Apitherapy and the law

As apitherapy becomes more widely used, apitherapists will require guidelines for dealing 
with the legal aspects of the treatment of their clients. I am planning to publish a book on 
Apitherapy and the Law. I would like to hear from apitherapists, physicians and others 
who may have used bee hive products (bee venom - bee sting therapy, propolis, pollen, 
royal jelly and honey) for maintaining and promoting health. Therapists who have been or 
know someone who has been involved with the legal aspects of their activities of treating 
clients are invited to relate their experiences.
  I am hoping to receive information from as many countries as possible. The book will 
likely include legal precedents, Medical and Alternative Practitioners Acts, therapy 
guidelines for alternative therapists, information on practices raided by authorities, 
confiscated natural remedies and related therapy equipments, insurance coverage of 
therapy, etc.
  In appreciation to those whose information I use, they will be acknowledged in the book 
and will receive a complementary copy. If you have any comments about the book which 
would be of value please write to me. Thank you in advanced for your help.

Michael Simics
Apitronic Publishing
4640 Pendlebury Rd.,
Richmond, B.C.,
Canada, V7E 1E7
Ph./Fax: (604) 271-9414
dags@wimsey.com


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