From perkinsd@elwha.evergreen.eduThu Mar 30 22:49:21 1995
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:16:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Diane Perkins <perkinsd@elwha.evergreen.edu>
To: "Georgann K. Cunney" <curious@aimnet.com>
Cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Biodynamic Farming Info?

On Sun, 19 Mar 1995, Georgann K. Cunney wrote:
> Howdy,
> I'm new to this newsgroup.  I'm interested in learning about Rudolf Steiner's,
> Biodynamic Farming.  Can any one tell me what it is about and its basic 
> principles? Who is practicing it, in what ways and where?
> I would like to know web sites for any information about this, and also 
> sustainable agriculture.
> Thanks 
> (eagerly waiting)
> Georgann   curious@aimnet.com
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	I suggest reading Wolf D. Storl's book "Culture and Horticulture" for 
a basic introduction to Biodynamic agriculture.  Reading Rudolf Steiner's 
text "Agriculture" may be difficult as the first intro., but will be 
indispensable for a solid understanding.  Before reading "Agriculture", 
you may find it helpful to read Steiner's book "To Know Higher Worlds".  

From jhaskett@asrr.arsusda.govFri Mar 31 12:01:09 1995
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:12:43 -0500 (EST)
From: jhaskett@asrr.arsusda.gov
To: Diane Perkins <perkinsd@elwha.evergreen.edu>
Cc: "Georgann K. Cunney" <curious@aimnet.com>, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Biodynamic Farming Info?


I concur with the earlier posting that suggested the article
"Biological Dynamic Farming - An Occult Form of Alternative Agriculture."
H. Kirchmann, Journal of Agricultural and Environmental Ethics 1994, 7(2)
17 3-187. The abstract states in part:

"...(Steiner's) instructions were based on insights and inner visions
from spiritualistic exercises and not on agricultural experiments...
many of his statements are not provable simply because scientifically
clear hypotheses cannot be made as his descriptions were unclear and 
not stringent. Those predictions that can be tested scientifically have
been found to be incorrect. It was concluded (in the article) that
Steiner's instructions are occult and dogmatic and cannot contribute
to the development of alternative or sustainable agriculture."

Jonathan Haskett

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On Thu, 30 Mar 1995, Diane Perkins wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Mar 1995, Georgann K. Cunney wrote:
> > Howdy,
> > I'm new to this newsgroup.  I'm interested in learning about Rudolf Steiner's,
> > Biodynamic Farming.  Can any one tell me what it is about and its basic 
> > principles? Who is practicing it, in what ways and where?
> > I would like to know web sites for any information about this, and also 
> > sustainable agriculture.
> > Thanks 
> > (eagerly waiting)
> > Georgann   curious@aimnet.com
> ******************************************************************************
> 	I suggest reading Wolf D. Storl's book "Culture and Horticulture" for 
> a basic introduction to Biodynamic agriculture.  Reading Rudolf Steiner's 
> text "Agriculture" may be difficult as the first intro., but will be 
> indispensable for a solid understanding.  Before reading "Agriculture", 
> you may find it helpful to read Steiner's book "To Know Higher Worlds".  
> 
> 

From Valerie@stuart.ak.planet.co.nzFri Mar 31 21:22:03 1995
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 07:33:27 +1200
From: Valerie Cowperthwaite <Valerie@stuart.ak.planet.co.nz>
To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Biodynamic Farming Info?


In article , jhaskett@asrr.arsusda.gov writes:
> 
> 
> I concur with the earlier posting that suggested the article
> "Biological Dynamic Farming - An Occult Form of Alternative 
Agriculture."
> H. Kirchmann, Journal of Agricultural and Environmental Ethics 1994, 
7(2)
> 17 3-187. The abstract states in part:
> 
> "...(Steiner's) instructions were based on insights and inner 
visions
> from spiritualistic exercises and not on agricultural 
experiments...
> many of his statements are not provable simply because 
scientifically
> clear hypotheses cannot be made as his descriptions were unclear and 

> not stringent. Those predictions that can be tested scientifically 
have
> been found to be incorrect. It was concluded (in the article) that
> Steiner's instructions are occult and dogmatic and cannot 
contribute
> to the development of alternative or sustainable agriculture."
> 
> Jonathan Haskett
> 
What a pity the author of this article did not do some up-to-date 
research.  Here in New Zealand many farmers are farming 
biodynamically.  They are successful and sustainable. The farm I am 
involved with of 1,000 acres  supports sheep, beef cattle and is 
involved in building up a sizeable dairy herd as a source for its 
planned milk products programme. They also run small scale pig and 
poultry operations, plus grazing for race and show horses.  Commerical 
vegetable growing and an extensive tree raising and planting programme 
are also included.

Other farmers are contributing in the areas of dairying particularly 
and biodynamic growers are successfully holding their own in citrus 
and avocado growing to name just the higher profile areas.  One of our 
leading winemakers who consistently wins international gold medals 
also grows his grapes biodynamically.

Pfeiffer's early work on microbes and composts gives the lie to the 
statement that there is no scientific basis for biodynamics as does 
the paper in Science April 1993 by Reganold et al showing the 
sustainability of biodynamics especially with regard to soil 
conservation.

Our farm has also been the site of various other scientific 
investigations including work on the dung beetle, blow flies and fish 
farming - we have a unique mullet farm.

I would not point anyone to Steiner's works as an introduction.  The 
Biodynamic Farm by H.H. Koepf and the Coming Revolution in Agriculture 
by Dr Harold Willis offer more practical perspectives on biodynamic 
farming - there is some controversy in bd circles over Willis' view.   
Soper's book on gardening is also, as I remember, relatively free of 
the mystic elements.

Kirchmann's conclusion reminds of a MAF scientist critical of 
biodynamics who featured in a TV programme on this topic - "Yes, well 
we see that it DOES work, but we don't see why it SHOULD work."  So 
therefore it is dismissed!
