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> From: Perry.Cheatham@launchpad.unc.edu (Perry R. Cheatham)
> Newsgroups: triangle.gardens,rec.gardens,alt.agriculture.fruit
> Subject: Need Orange Trees
> Date: 28 Jul 1994 23:38:24 -0400
> Looking for a source for a particular Orange Tree.
> Botanical name: Maclura Pomifria or Osage Orange
> This is taken from a hand written note and may be misspelled. 
> 65 trees, approx 4 yr./2-3ft tall are needed. Our local power company
> killed the originals with a herbacide and are paying for these
> replacements.
> Please respond via email or call Susan Cheatham, Raleigh NC (919)834-7095.
 
Susan - 

You are close on the name, but this is not a true Orange, the fruit just
kinda looks like an orange.  Here is what Forestfarm (990 Tetherow Rd., 
Williams OR 97544-9599, (503) 846-6963 - PST hours!) has to say in their
catalog ($3):

"Maclura pomifera - Osage Orange - A medium sized spiny tree tolerant of
extremes in environment & producing large, curious, yellow-orange fruits
(non-edible) and yellow fall color.  Sun/Medium moisture, deciduous, Zone 5,
Eastern North America."

Tell Ray & Peg Prag hi from me if you talk with them - nice folks and a very
reputable operation.  I believe they have a wholesale operation as well.

           Sean A. O'Hara, 710 Jean St., Oakland, Ca. 94610-1459
               saouc@uccmvsa.ucop.edu or sean.ohara@ucop.edu
                                                                 


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Over 40,000 U.S. Farmers Significantly Reduce Pesticide Use

August 29, 1994

Over 40,000 farmers in 32 states have significantly reduced 
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Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry. The Pesticide Use 
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From jbvb@elf.com Sat Sep 24 00:13:17 EDT 1994
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From: jbvb@elf.com (James VanBokkelen)
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Subject: NY Chapter of American Chestnut Foundation annual meeting Oct. 14-16
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The NY Chapter is actively working on preparations for restoring the
American Chestnut tree to the forests of the eastern US, once ongoing
programs to develop blight-immune trees come to fruition later this
decade.  This meeting's program starts Friday, 10/14 at 1930 and
continues till Sunday 1200.  The featured speaker is Dr. Peter Marks,
Chair of the Ecology & Systematics Dept. at Cornell University.  There
will also be a nut plantation tour, and work on the distribution of
this year's seed crop.

Send registration (name, address, phone) by September 30 to:

 ACFNY
 3747 River RD.
 Youngstown, NY  14174

Registration: $23  Food Package: $35  Checks payable to: ACFNY
Questions: 716-745-7772

Location:

 Cayuga Nature Center
 1420 Taughannock Blvd.
 Rt. 89, Ithaca, NY  14850
 607-273-6260

The national ACF's annual meeting is in Altoona, PA the following
weekend, but I haven't gotten details yet.

People interested in chestnut trees are welcome to contact me - I'm in
the early stages of trying to organize an ACF chapter covering either
NH or northern New England, and I'm looking for people to help me in
managing a piece of conservation land in Groton MA to encourage the
remains of a blight-killed chestnut orchard.  There are several
techniques available to help blight-afflicted trees, but they take
time, and this site has hundreds of small trees that die back before
they reach full size.

Details on how to join the various ACF chapters will follow when I get
the complete list.
--
James B. VanBokkelen					Far Acres Farm
jbvb@{vax.ftp.com, asylum.sf.ca.us}			South Hampton, NH


From Joshua_Berman@brown.edu Thu Oct  6 21:40:03 EDT 1994
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   I am studying the feasibility of planting berry bushes/trees as part of
an urban river restoration project. These plants could be a tasty,
low-maintenance resource for the surrounding community (or they could go
unpicked and end up as rat food). 

  What are the best plants to use when planning a sustainable, well-used
and beautiful urban river bank? Has anyone heard of berries being
incorporated into urban development in this way? What about experience of
any kind with cultivating blueberries, blackberries, raspberries,
mulberries, elderberries? Are these the best plants to be thinking about?

   The Woonasquatucket River Coalition in Providence, RI is made up of the
Nat'l Park Service, Audobon Society, city agencies, and various community
groups. It is seeking to incorporate the old industrial river back into
the community, perhaps as a greenway.

Thank you in advance for responding. Please email me directly.

-- 
Josh Berman
Brown University Center for Environmental Studies
Joshua_Berman@brown.edu
61 Barnes St., Providence, RI 02906, USA


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   I am studying the feasibility of planting berry bushes/trees as part of
an urban river restoration project. These plants could be a tasty,
low-maintenance resource for the surrounding community (or they could go
unpicked and end up as rat food). 

  What are the best plants to use when planning a sustainable, well-used
and beautiful urban river bank? Has anyone heard of berries being
incorporated into urban development in this way? What about experience of
any kind with cultivating blueberries, blackberries, raspberries,
mulberries, elderberries? Are these the best plants to be thinking about?

   The Woonasquatucket River Coalition in Providence, RI is made up of the
Nat'l Park Service, Audobon Society, city agencies, and various community
groups. It is seeking to incorporate the old industrial river back into
the community, perhaps as a greenway.

Thank you in advance for responding. Please email me directly.

-- 
Josh Berman
Brown University Center for Environmental Studies
Joshua_Berman@brown.edu
61 Barnes St., Providence, RI 02906, USA


From tapadar@bnr.ca Sun Oct 16 22:51:21 EDT 1994
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Hi!

I would appreciate some information about tissue culture and hydrid
agriculture. I have NO idea what they mean? Reference to books, articles,
magazine, FAQ, etc... would be appreciated.

If possible please reply via email. I'll post the summary.

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Bob Tapadar    
tapadar@bnr.ca  


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>From  milo@scicom.alphacdc.com
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 19:25:52 -0700
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Subject: Women's Berry Plants; Katsi Cook, Mohawk


>From Volume One, No. IV of INDIGENOUS WOMEN; the official publication
of the Indigenous Women's Network. [See End of Article]

     Using the Berry Plants for Women's Nutrition and Medicine
                                            by Katsi Cook, Mohawk

"The wild strawberry is the first berry food to appear in the
spring and this sacred plant is gathered at that time and eaten as
a blood purifier..."

    Wildberries remind us of our childhood. Indeed, they are a
special gift of Creation to the children and to women. Over
250 species or berries and fruits--strawberry, red raspberry,
currant, elderberry, juniper berry, cranberry, bearberry, to name a
few - in Native America are gathered and utilized for their
nutritional and medicinal value. Berries are delicious when eaten
raw, crushed and mixed with water and maple syrup or honey for
drinks; mixed with soups, bread, puddings and meats, and dried for
winter storage. The berries, leaves and roots can be collected and
used together or separately and drunk as a medicine tea. Among the
Haudenosaunee (Six Nations Iroquois), the wild strawberry is
regarded as the "leader" of the berries. It is the first berry food
to appear in the spring and this sacred plant is gathered at that
time and eaten as a blood purifier. The iron and minerals in the
berries and leaves of the wild strawberry make this favorite berry
plant a valuable blood remedy. Elderberries, red raspberry and
tender sumacberry sprouts are also used for their alterative, or
blood-building, properties.
    Wild berries are extremely rich in vitamin C. Vitamin C is a
water-soluble nutrient which detoxifies the body, promotes healing,
strengthens connective tissue, helps to absorb iron, and cooperates
with the B complex in maintaining the endocrine system. A severe
deficiency of Vitamin C leads to scurvy, a disease that was common
in Europe at one time and which was attributed then to "bad air."
Native peoples of Turtle Island had already recognized the dietary
basis of the disease and they knew how to prevent and cure it with
a variety of medicines from natural sources. Cranberries are
antiscorbutic, meaning that they are effective in preventing and
treating scurvy. They can be used alone or in combination with
other berries like sumacberry and other natural sources high in
vitamin C like the fresh, new tips of evergreens.
    Berries are also of great benefit to the urinary tract. They
act as diuretics (promotes the flow of urine) and they acidify the
urine to create a hostile environment for bacteria. Cranberry and
bearberry have long been used in the treatment of cystitis (urinary
bladder infection).
    Berries also have astringent properties, meaning that they
cause contraction of tissue and they arrest bleeding and discharge.
In this capacity, they are proven remedies for diarrhea and
leukorrhea.
    Blackberry root, in combination with wild strawberry leaves has
long been known as an effective remedy of diarrhea. Blackberry root
has also been used as a treatment for dysentery, a disease
characterized by extreme diarrhea and passage of mucus, blood, pus
and fluid.
    Kneeling upon soft mosses or standing at a bramble of thorny
harvest; their quick fingers dancing across bushes heavy with their
succulent fruit, our grandmothers gathered berries of many colors
with joy and grateful recognition. They used the berry plant as a
woman's medicine throughout their reproductive years for a variety
of purposes. Some berry plants help to stimulate and promote normal
menstrual function, others help to ease childbearing and
childbirth; still others alleviate menopausal symptoms or are useful
in the treatment of gynecologic complaints.
    Still today, Indian woman and children prize the various wild
berries that grow in our territories and we will travel long
distances and make camp and harvest those berries which aren't
quite as near to home. We join our elders in their lament that
gravel pits and concrete are causing the berry and other plants to
"turn their faces from the people and disappear."
    Using the berry plants for both nutrition and medicine is one
way that traditionally-minded woman can continue to keep their
strength and health within the cycles of the creation. Begin by
using those berries you were familiar with as a child, and seek the
guidance of someone who is knowledgeable about the berries in your
area to find the safest and most effective way to use them. If you
are on your moon, or still bleeding from childbirth, do not gather
the berries or any other plants. Have your grandmother, midwife or
someone else you trust do it for you. If you are pregnant, there
are some berry plants you shouldn't use, like elderberry roots.
Although its okay to eat the cooked berries, the roots contain a
toxic principle. Remember, too that although berry plants have much
nutritional value, they are only meant to supplement and enhance a
well-balanced diet. Like anything else, don't overdo it. More does
not mean better.
    Above all, as whenever you harvest the Creation's gift, give
thanks and acknowledgement to the Creator and to the plant, and
return something to the Earth so that her cycles may continue.


BERRIES FOR WOMEN'S NUTRITION AND MEDICINE
WILD STRAWBERRY: noon tak tek hah kwa
growing where the ground is burned


   Springtime is traditionally a time of cleansing the body from
impurities which accumulate in the system over the relative
inactivity of winter. Just as every menstrual cycle includes the
purification of the woman through her menses, it is also important
that she cleanse her body in harmony with the earth's cycles
through fasting or the use of bioactive plants.

    The whole strawberry plant; berries, leaves and roots - can be
used as they appear in your area in the spring for purposes of
cleansing the system. Both a blood purifier and blood builder, the
wild strawberry is a laxative, diuretic and astringent. The leaves
and berries are rich in iron and contain the minerals magnesium,
potassium and sodium.

    It is a teaching of many native peoples that during
menstruation and pregnancy the woman's body becomes highly toxic.
At menses and childbirth, it is important for a woman to rest. She
may also observe dietary restrictions such as not eating meat or
salt. Wild strawberry leaves and berries can be used alone or in
combination with other medicines to cleanse the woman's body during
her moon time and following childbirth.

    Also, if you eat too many strawberries during pregnancy, the
old women say, your baby will be born with a strawberry mark!

      
RED RASPBERRY: oo na joo kwa

    Of all the berries, this is among the most useful for women
throughout the reproductive years. The berries and leaves are rich
in iron and they also contain minerals-phosphorus, potassium,
magnesium- which help build the blood by carrying iron from stores
in the liver, spleen, and bone marrow to needy tissues, the
reproductive organs in particular. In pregnancy, tea made from the
leaves is good for nausea. Its action on the uterus assists
contractions and checks hemorrhage during labor and delivery. After
delivery, it strengthens and cleanses the system and enriches the
mother's milk supply. Raspberry leaf tea helps stimulate and
promote normal menstrual function.
    Steep 1 tablespoon fresh or dried leaves to one cup boiled
water, or 1 cut leaf to 1 quart boiled water for at least 5
minutes. Drink liberally throughout pregnancy, lactation and the
menstrual cycle. Raspberry leaves can be mixed with other berry
plants or with mint or honey to improve the taste and medicinal
action.
    The lukewarm tea in combination with slippery elm can be used
as a douche for leukorrhea (whitish discharge) of vaginitis or
menopause.

PARTRIDGEBERRY: noon kie oo nah yeah
noisy foot

    This berry was not generally used for food by humans, but was
used by the women as an excellent tonic for the female reproductive
area. Partridgeberry is a uniquely native american plant. It was
called "Squawvine" by colonists who saw Indian women using it, and
it continues to be called that by people who don't know the meaning
of the derogatory word "squaw."
    An in fusion, or tea, of the entire plant is used several weeks
before childbirth (do not use during the 1st or 2nd trimesters),
and can be used after delivery during breastfeeding. It is a female
regulator and tonic and can be used for all uterine complaints.
    Partridgeberry contains resin, mucilage, dextrin and saponin in
birthing medicine, but it cannot be used liberally and must be
prepared only by a knowledgeable person. Partridgeberry salve for
sore or cracked nipples:

 1. Cover 1 ounce whole plant with 1 pint oil (wheatgerm or olive
oil)
 2. Bake at 350 degrees for 2-4 hours.
 3. Remove plant parts from oil.
 4. Melt beeswax in the remaining oil and plant mixture and mix.
 5. Put in container and allow to cool.

It should be a creamy ointment. If it is too stiff, heat again and
add oil; if it is too thin, reheat and add beeswax.


JUNIPER BERRY: Gad

    The Navajo name is given for this evergreen shrub because it is
widely used in the southwest  mountain areas as a stimulant and
emetic. The needles are boiled and used for diarrhea and as a
postpartum stimulant. Juniper berries can be dried and used for tea
which has a laxative effect. Traditional Navajos use juniper
as an emetic (causes vomiting) to purify the system of both adults
and newborns. For adults, they say to put the leaves in warm water
when you get up in the morning, before you have breakfast. Then go
and run, and when you return, drink the liquid. It will make you
throw up and purify your body.
    Curly Mustache, a Navajo medicine man, in his account of the
First Navajo Birth in Ruth Roessel's book "Women in Navajo
Society", tells of the instructions given by the Holy people to the
Dine in childbearing. In the traditional way, a newborn baby is
given the juice of the inner white skin of the juniper bark.
Usually, a woman goes out and peels the bark off the juniper trees.
The white inside bark is peeled off and put into warm water until
it turns reddish. A teaspoon of this juice is given to the baby to
drink. This makes the child vomit the mucus and birthwaters it may
have swallowed and cleanses its insides. (N.B. I mention this
information for ethnographic purposes only.)
    Matilda Coxe Stevenson, a sensitive female anthropologist who
attended several births among the Zuni in the late 1800's, reports
that juniper twigs and berries were steeped in boiled water by the
Zuni and drunk by the expectant mother as a tea throughout labor
and delivery and afterwards to relax her system and cleanse the
uterus. She mentions, too, that the People believed that if they
drank the tea in the earlier stages of pregnancy, the child would
be very dark.
    The Recommended Daily Allowance of vitamin C during pregnancy
and breastfeeding is 80-100 mg. This daily dietary requirement is
necessary for the formation of strong cell walls and blood vessels,
and it is therefore essential to the growth of the fetus and the
placenta.
    Mohawk people would prepare a tea high in vitamin C for
pregnant mothers which included white pine, cranberry and sumac
branch bark.
    During pregnancy or oral contraceptive use, a woman faces
increased susceptibility to urinary tract infection because of
rising blood levels of a reproductive hormone called progesterone.
Progesterone causes smooth muscle tissues, such as the bladder, to
relax. It also causes the ureters, the ducts leading from the
kidneys to the bladder to dilate. This action, in addition to the
pressure of the growing uterus during pregnancy on the ureters
and urinary bladder, may cause the bladder to become distended. The
resulting increased volume of urine makes the urinary tract more
hospitable to bacteria. It is important to drink lots of liquid to
dilute the urine to keep the urinary system flushed out. Cranberry
juice, best taken without sugar, contains hipuric acid which
inhibits the growth of bacteria.
    Cranberry leaves can be made into a tea and taken postpartum to
help prevent uterine infection in situations where the woman may
seem at greater risk, such as cases of premature rupture of
membranes.
    Etcetera: an extract of the bark of Blackberry roots and wild
strawberry leaves make a fine treatment for umbilical cord cure.


"Well, when I grew up, things were different. In my time there was
a lot of berries, a lot of game, fish, everything. But now
everything is gone - the roots, the berries. That is what I see:
they don't grow no more. The reason why is when they are ripe,
nobody prays when they grab the berries to put 'em in their mouth;
they just go in there and eat off the bushes. It's the same with
the roots. The old timers believed they had to pray for everything
before they tasted it. But now, they don't believe in anything
anymore...now you believe in the other way, you don't believe in
our Indian ways." - Agnes Vanderberg, 81 year old Flathead Elder

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From hrick@world.std.com Tue Oct 18 23:40:31 EDT 1994
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You can find a list of tangerine varieties at ftp.std.com, in
directory /customers/periodicals/lingua/harrison.
 
There are a few people who make a hobby of collecting apple
varieties; perhaps you will hear from some of them.
 



From sst@netcom.com Tue Oct 18 23:40:32 EDT 1994
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Can anybody direct me to an on-line list of apple varieties, s
during a recent discussion, I was told there at least a thousand
varieties in North America.  As I can name perhaps two dozen
if stretched, I'd like to know something about the vast variety
of others, and where to purchase them if in fact they are grown.

And as long as I'm making a request, the above applies to lists
of varieties of other fruits and vegetables like potatoes, plums
etc.  Thanks for your help.



From RICHARD_BOLT@CCMAIL.GSFC.NASA.GOV Tue Oct 18 23:40:33 EDT 1994
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In article <sstCxu5rM.CwK@netcom.com>, sst@netcom.com (Shel Talmy) wrote:

> Can anybody direct me to an on-line list of apple varieties, s
> during a recent discussion, I was told there at least a thousand
> varieties in North America.  As I can name perhaps two dozen
> if stretched, I'd like to know something about the vast variety
> of others, and where to purchase them if in fact they are grown.
> 
> And as long as I'm making a request, the above applies to lists
> of varieties of other fruits and vegetables like potatoes, plums
> etc.  Thanks for your help.

What you need to do is join NAFAX. North American Fruit Explorers, its
only 12 -15$ per yr. I do not have time to copy type all there info in.
Dick

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Shel Talmy (sst@netcom.com) wrote:
: Can anybody direct me to an on-line list of apple varieties, s
: during a recent discussion, I was told there at least a thousand
: varieties in North America.  As I can name perhaps two dozen
: if stretched, I'd like to know something about the vast variety
: of others, and where to purchase them if in fact they are grown.

: And as long as I'm making a request, the above applies to lists
: of varieties of other fruits and vegetables like potatoes, plums
: etc.  Thanks for your help.



From tapadar@bnr.ca Mon Oct 24 17:58:03 EDT 1994
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From: tapadar@bnr.ca (Helga Connor)
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Hi!
I'm looking for information regarding FLORICULTURE using low cost, covered
enclosure with drip irrigation.
Technique? How to do it? What to use? etc..

Thanks in advance for your help. Please reply to tapadar@bnr.ca

--
Bob Tapadar  
tapadar@bnr.ca



From tapadar@bnr.ca Mon Oct 24 17:58:04 EDT 1994
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From: tapadar@bnr.ca (Helga Connor)
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Hi!
I would appreciate some info on DESIGN of COLD STORAGE, including
COST of ammonia based refrigeration (R22/R12).

Thanks in advance for your help. Please reply to tapadar@bnr.ca

--
Bob Tapadar    
tapadar@bnr.ca 


From tapadar@bnr.ca Mon Oct 24 17:58:05 EDT 1994
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Hi!
I would appreciate some info on PACKAGING for export of 
ASPARAGUS (edible shoots), TOMATO, and CUCUMBER.

Thanks in advance for your help. Please reply to tapadar@bnr.ca

--
Bob Tapadar   
tapadar@bnr.ca


From SSherman@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov  9 20:32:26 EST 1994
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I have had a problem with box elder bugs trying to migrate into my 
house. The activity occurs during sunny and warm days at this time of 
the year. (Fall in Philadelphia, PA) I have sprayed the area where the 
bugs are trying to enter with an Ortho Chemical Diazinon. I have maple 
trees on my front lawn and have sprayed them as well. Are there any 
other things that I should do to try to correct this problem. Your help 
would be greatly appreciated.


Steven Sherman


From keiki@lava.net Tue Jan  3 22:04:46 EST 1995
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From: keiki@lava.net (L.Ka'opua)
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request any and all info on vanilla please. Mahalo(thank you)

Aloha
l. keiki'oewa ka'opua


From kpbang@aol.com Tue Jan  3 22:04:48 EST 1995
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From: kpbang@aol.com (KPBang)
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I am trying to find any Cherry farmers in the San Franscico California
area.  If anyone can provide me with this infor please E-Mail to 
KPBang@aol.com

Thank you very much..... Kurt Petrucci
Kurt, A Petrucci ( SrA, USAF )


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My husband, who will not touch the computer, is really into tropical fruit
production.  We have a 1/3 acre lot with a large home, but he has managed
to grow 80 trees, many dwarfs.  He has kiwi, macademia, sapote, cherimoya,
Chinese cherry, guava, mango, etc.  He reads his books on rare fruits and
nuts (he is the rarest of them all!) nightly and I'm sure I could get him
on the computer if he found out he could share information with other
growers.  Please!!


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How about Olsen's Cherry Orchard
          W El Camino Real      
          Sunnyvale, CA 94087
          408 720-1483



KPBang (kpbang@aol.com) wrote:
: I am trying to find any Cherry farmers in the San Franscico California
: area.  If anyone can provide me with this infor please E-Mail to 
: KPBang@aol.com

: Thank you very much..... Kurt Petrucci
: Kurt, A Petrucci ( SrA, USAF )


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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:40:04 -0500
From: Suzanne Cady <swc1@cornell.edu>
Subject: sustainable agriculture conference
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Farming for the Future: Partners in Stewardship 
-----------------------------------------------

Farming for the Future: Partners in Stewardship is a conference to discuss
concerns and create options for sustaining agriculture in our communities.
Join us for a lively discussion of critical issues facing agriculture
today.  Work with and learn from farmers, extension agents, community
leaders, agricultural business representatives, public agencies and
environmentalists.

The conference will be held on Wed. Feb. 22 and Thurs. Feb. 23 at the
Sheraton University Inn & Conference Center in Syracuse New York.
Workshops will deal with current controversies in agriculture today such as
the impact of dairy farming on water quality, how sustainable agriculture
affects farm labor, and public concerns about food safety.  Other workshops
will discuss new sustainable agriculture policies, community land use
planning, and management techniques for cash grain, dairy, fruit &
vegetable and ornamental industries.

Support for this conference was provided by the Northeast Region
Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education Program.  Co-sponsors
include Cornell Univ. Cooperative Extension, Agway, Cornell Farming
Alternatives Program, NY Chapter of Northeast Organic Farmers Asociation,
and the Natural Resources Conservation Service.

Registration is $85 for both days and includes a banquet dinner with the
keynote address by Greg Watson of the Nature Conservancy.  Single day
registrations are $55 for Wed. and $35 for Thurs..  A limited number of
reduced registrations are available.  To register, contact Pam Kline, 144
Emerson Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853.  Telephone
607-255-2177.  Fax: 607-255-6143.  E-mail: pak1@cornell.edu




From leemn@aol.com Tue Feb 21 22:31:26 EST 1995
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RedChief is an older variety typically grown in the midwest.  A plant
source has been Nourse Nurseries in South Deerfield, Mass.   413-665-2658


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The GIC Group, an American  consulting and investment company, is working
extensively in India.  The founder and CEO of GIC was a member of the
business delegation led by Sec. Ronald Brown to India in January 1995. 
One of our client partners, a large orchard growing company,  is looking
for 6  senior farm managers for its orchards.  They suggest 20 years of
experience and are prepared to pay upto $65,000 per year.  The minimum
contract will be for 1 year but the preference is for 2-3 years.  The
location is in the region of Madras, the state of Tamil Nadu, South India.
Openings are available immediately.

Manager responsibilities include:

	1) Coordinating duties of Deputy Manager/Assistant Manager of
existing farms;

	2) Assisting General Manager by providing technical inputs;

	3) Responsible for implementation of approved cropping programs in
exsiting farms;

	4) Responsible for generating maximum returns through effective
inter-cropping system;

	5) Review of farm budgets and expenditures;

	6) Monitoring the planting works in the farms;

	7) Site visits and technical guidance to field staff;

	8) Growing supervision to maximize yields;  and,

	9) Miscellaneous development activities for each orchard;

Reply via email to Attn:  Matthew Marks
gicgroup@aol.com


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Grafting tool is available from A. M. Leonard.  Phone 1-800-543-8955.


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Two things to check for first:
Are leaves mottled or gray looking when they fall off?  If so with a hand
lens, look closely for spider mites.  A large infestation will cause leaf
drop and you may find the spiders webbing on the underside of the leaf.
Make sure you do not let the watered plant sit in a saucer of water for
more than an hour.  This could cause root rot.  The tree will respond by
losing leaves and acting unwatered because the roots were killed by the
root rot fungus.  
Unfortunately, you will probably do better with your new seedling than the
older tree.  Larger specimans like that have been raised under completely
different conditions; their pot, soil and care are geared for production
of the tree and not maintenance in an apartment.  Good Luck!


From pmr111@aol.com Tue Feb 28 11:23:20 EST 1995
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From: pmr111@aol.com (PMR111)
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Subject: agricultural irrigation
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irrigation design and consulting for most types of crops and irrigation
methods.  drip, center pivot, pumps from 10 gallons per minute to over
50,000 gallons per minute.  sprinklers for frost protection as well as
irrigation.


From kermella@aol.com Tue Feb 28 11:23:22 EST 1995
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From: kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA)
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Subject: biodynamic farming
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Hello my sister has a Watson fellowship to study biodynamic farming. She
is just about through 6 months of study in New Zealand. She will be in
Australia for the next 6 months. Does anyone know of any farms there she
could contact? If so any information would be greatly appreciated. She is
a graduate of St. Lawrence, has farmed during the past four years and is
an extremely hard worker. She may also go to India, though has more
contacts there (has been invited to visit by the minister of agriculture.

         thankyou!


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From: Dan Duprey <dupreyd@delphi.com>
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Would like any information available about a new (?) cultivar of mango
called Beverly.  How does fruit compare, in size, season, flavor, to Keitt,
or Glenn or other common variety?  Does it have any anthracnose resistance?
How prolific?


From suew@icarus.som.clarkson.edu Wed Mar  1 00:08:50 EST 1995
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From: suew@icarus.som.clarkson.edu (Susan Wood)
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Looking for any information on growing strawberries.  We recently bought a 
country home with 3-1/2 acres of strawberries but owners will not release any 
information as to the care and upkeep.  

Please send any information available to SueW@icarus.som.clarkson.edu

Thanks much!


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From: benedict@klemp.com (Martha S. Benedict)
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does anyone know any effective means of treatment for oak tree canker?

-- 
Martha Benedict 

Send replies to benedict@klemp.com please


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Re:<Looking for a source of avocado kernels>

Call Brokaw Nursery, (805) 647-2262


From marcmon@aol.com Sun Mar  5 17:14:00 EST 1995
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From: marcmon@aol.com (MarcMon)
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Subject: Cider Apple Search
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I am interested in establishing contact with orchardists who are growing
American, English, and French varieties of apples traditionally used for
cider, especially in the Mid-Atlantic region.  I am also interested in any
orchard currently in or near production of antique apple varieties of any
kind.  My goal is to contract for some portion of the fall '95 (and
possibly subsequent) crop(s) for cider production.

Thanks in advance!

Marc Montefusco
marcmon@aol.com


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I would like to know the nutritional properties of bananas.


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From: Mark Scarinzi <scarinzi@midget.towson.edu>
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Subject: Disease Resistance Apples
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Which of the following apples would you recommend for taste
and long keeping?
Liberty
Nova Easygro
Dayton
Henry Kohankie
Jonafree
William's Pride
Black Twig
Cockles's Pippen
Spartan
Redfree
Egremont Russet
Ellison's Orange
Grenadier



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This was one of the discussions that lead to this sys ops person saying OK lets
do it. Dick
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proposed 
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In article <rbolt-130493083454@128.183.16.116> rbolt@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov
(Dick Bolt) writes:
>Alt.fruit could be the forum for the following discussions:
>* Fruit growing in USA and other countries
>* Tropical fruit growing and access to canned and fresh varities
>* US restrictions on entry for Foreign grown tropical fruit
>* Availability of English language manuals of fruit growing in foreign
countries 
>* Exchange of seeds
>* Sources in this country for ordering fresh tropical fruit
>
>This type of information is regulary published in such publications as
>NAFEX ( North American Fruit Explorers -Monthly); Tropical Fruit Growing
>out of Miami: Fruit and Nut growes publications out of Penn.; and other
>California fruit growing groups.

My guess is that "alt.agriculture.fruit" would be a better name.  People
have suggested other agricultural groups in the past and probably will again.


From xmtrader@aol.com Wed Mar  8 12:07:32 EST 1995
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From: xmtrader@aol.com (XMTRADER)
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Subject: Rice for Sale
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Have option to sell 10,000 metric tons of milled rice form SE Asia during
1995.  Reasonable to excellent quality with 60 to 96% head rice, depending
on requirements.  Please respond by email with inquiry and requirements to
the attention of Ray Clark.


From bill726@aol.com Wed Mar  8 12:07:34 EST 1995
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From: bill726@aol.com (Bill726)
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I am a backyard gardiner. We grow 16 variety of apples 0n 16 dwarf 
trees. Mostly on M9 rootstock. We also grow blueberries, raspberries
and two grape vines.
I occaisionally  have questions on fruit growing and I hope you 
people out there can be of help. I have been growing fruit for 15
plus years , and would be glad to give any one  the benefit of 
my experiences.       
                                   Bill                                   
                
         
 Add a dwarft peach to the above.
                           


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From: Mark Scarinzi <scarinzi@midget.towson.edu>
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Subject: Scion wood
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:04:25 -0500
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Dose anyone have sources for scion wood in the Eastern US?


From boswell@vnet.ibm.com Fri Mar 10 00:59:02 EST 1995
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From: boswell@boswell.raleigh.ibm.com (Marvin Boswell)
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Subject: Re: Pomona
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I just recently joined NAFX as well.  I am interested in trying to do some
grafting of my fruit trees, particularly apples.  Does anyone know how you
get hooked up with the NAFX scion wood exchanges?
-- 

Marvin Boswell     (919) 543-9687   FAX: (919) 254-6194   T/L 441
AIX Network Management Development, H220/B503, Dept D84A
Internet: boswell@vnet.ibm.com  
Gardening in:  Apex, North Carolina      USDA Zone 7b


From lmawby@traverse.com Fri Mar 10 00:59:03 EST 1995
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From: lmawby@traverse.com (larry mawby)
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Subject: Re: starting a winery
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In article <3j0et3$1fk@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, cuba287193@aol.com
(Cuba287193) wrote:

> Has anyone had the experience of starting a winery and also growing your
> own grapes? If you can offer some advice or recommend relevent reading
> material I would appreciate it. Thanks.
> 
>                                       cuba

cuba-
i am a winegrower in northern michigan. i started growing grapes in 1973
and began my winery in 1978. where are you? the reading possibilities are
many...
-larry


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i'm growing only a few of the varieties listed, but like liberty and
spartan for taste. neither is particularly long-keeping, and liberty is
significantly more disease-resistant than spartan.

-larry


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I am looking for a fruit tree  grafter in Connecticut who might allow
someone to look over his shoulder.  Please post or send if you can help.
Thanks.


From terradan@pacifier.com Sun Mar 12 13:23:48 EST 1995
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From: terradan@pacifier.com (Terradan Landchild)
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Subject: Home Orchard Society? (Oregon)
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Is anyone out there a member of the Home Orchard Society based, I 
believe, in Portland, OR?  Or does anyone know how to contact them?
I was hoping to attend their annual Spring (grafting) event, I hope it 
hasn't gone by already!

Thanks & Good Gardening to You!


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From: norust1111@aol.com (NoRust1111)
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Subject: Less Water & No more Scale build-up Guaranteed
Date: 11 Mar 1995 12:32:37 -0500
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Wouldn't you like to use less water and get rid of all the scale build up
on your drip systems and cooling towers I have the answer to all this


From gicgroup@aol.com Sun Mar 12 13:23:58 EST 1995
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From: gicgroup@aol.com (GicGroup)
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Subject: Farm Managers Needed
Date: 11 Mar 1995 13:48:52 -0500
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The GIC Group, an American  consulting and investment company, is working
extensively in India.  The founder and CEO of GIC was a member of the
business delegation led by Sec. Ronald Brown to India in January 1995. 
One of our client partners, a large orchard growing company,  is looking
for 6  senior farm managers for its orchards.  They suggest 20 years of
experience and are prepared to pay upto $65,000 per year.  The minimum
contract will be for 1 year but the preference is for 2-3 years.  The
location is in the region of Madras, the state of Tamil Nadu, South India.
Openings are available immediately.  However, those with less experience
and/or experience with other fruits/vegetables are not discouraged from
applying.

Manager responsibilities include:

	1) Coordinating duties of Deputy Manager/Assistant Manager of
existing farms;

	2) Assisting General Manager by providing technical inputs;

	3) Responsible for implementation of approved cropping programs in
exsiting farms;

	4) Responsible for generating maximum returns through effective
inter-cropping system;

	5) Review of farm budgets and expenditures;

	6) Monitoring the planting works in the farms;

	7) Site visits and technical guidance to field staff;

	8) Growing supervision to maximize yields;  and,

	9) Miscellaneous development activities for each orchard;

Reply via email to Attn:  Matthew Marks
gicgroup@aol.com


From Olga.Kosmina.Dekabristov.Str.5.-.178.Kiev.253121.Ukraine Tue Mar 14 01:24:57 EST 1995
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From: Olga.Kosmina.Dekabristov.Str.5.-.178.Kiev.253121.Ukraine (Olga 
 Kosmina  Dekabristov Str 5 - 178  Kiev 253121  Ukraine)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: meeting others through personal ads (advertisement)
Date: 12 Mar 1995 01:25:50 GMT
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#############   Personal ad placement service   #############

PLACE YOUR PERSONAL AD THROUGHOUT THE UKRAINE & WESTERN RUSSIA

Several months ago I placed a personal ad in the papers of the
Ukraine.  Following a two week run, I received letters and
photos from 25 SWF between the ages of 21 and 29.

I have purchased addresses through Family Intl as well as
other matchmaking companies and have found better success
meeting women through my own personal advertisement.

Olga Kosmina is willing to post your personal ad as she did
for me. She asks $50 for which your ad will run 2 weeks in
such publications as Viso Express throughout the Ukraine as
well as areas of western Russia.

Olga does not have e-mail, but you may reach her by sending a
letter of inquiry or if you wish, $50 and your personal ad to:

Olga Kozmina
Dekabristov Str, 5 - 178
Kiev 253121
Ukraine 

Olga is an honest woman, has my complete trust and has asked
that I post this advertisement for her business.  I am not
leaving my e-mail address because of the flames and revocation
of my account for having posted this.

Best Wishes,

George and Olga

#############   Personal ad placement service   #############


From u9117576@muss.cis.McMaster.CA Tue Mar 14 01:24:58 EST 1995
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From: u9117576@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (P.A. Beddows)
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Subject: Search G.I.S. info sources
Date: 12 Mar 1995 02:43:49 -0500
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Hello,
	I am trying to put together a package of G.I.S. (Geographical 
Information Systems) information found on the Internet.   I am looking for 
gopher, www, return e-mail etc, sites which offer information on any
aspect of G.I.S. including raster and vector systems.  Examples would 
include sources of coverages, error management, applications in any 
field, incorporation of satelite imagery, ETC.
	I am hoping to have the compilation ready by March 30, so if 
anyone is also interested in receiving it once done, please send me a 
message.  If you can help, please e-mail me direct, at: 
		u9117576@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca
				All help is gratefully appreciated,

				Patricia Beddows
				Geography
				McMaster University
				Hamilton, Ontario, Canada





From liwang@oregon.uoregon.edu Fri Mar 17 00:21:39 EST 1995
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From: liwang@oregon.uoregon.edu (Li Wang)
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Subject: China wants your products
Date: 16 Mar 1995 15:34:28 GMT
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Keywords: China wants agriculture products

Chinese government just approved a $6 billion subsidiary for agriculture
development.  They are interested in over 1,000 products related to
agriculture.  If you have things to sell in large quantities or high value
agricultural machinery, please e-mail: haiyangy@aol.com
Haiyang
WYZ International
2665 Alder Street
Eugene, OR 97405 USA


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From: spies@pixel.kodak.com (Rick Spies)
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Subject: Blueberries bushes as hedge
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I am considering planting blueberry bushes along the back of my Western
Upstate NY suburban lot.  It's about 90 feet wide.

My intent is two-fold.  First, is to have a decorative hedge.  Second
is to have loads of luscious blueberries to eat.  In my mind, they are
equally weighted, though my wife is more interested in the decorative
aspect. <grin>

My intent is to use a rototiller and turn-up about a 2'x90' area about
12" deep, pulling out any rocks bigger than an inch or so, then till-in
loads of peat moss.  The soil is about 4-5" of topsoil then a clay
subsoil.  The area is the lowest part of my lot, so it tends to be just
a bit damp in the early spring and after summer thunderstorms.

I would like to put in two or three different varieties so I get
berries over a longer period of time (early/mid/late).  I'd expect to
plant them in an alternating pattern (E/M/L/E/M/L...) at about 30"-36"
intervals.  I am somewhat concerned about the appearance of 2 or 3
variety side-by-side in that they may never look reasonably uniform.

I've been eyeing several varieties from J.E. Miller's in Canandaigua,
NY.  They are only about 30 miles from my house and do a mail order
business too.  I'm particularly interested in varieties that can handle
our cold climate and need minimal care and minimal or no chemical
pesticides/fungicides, etc....  Yield is not very important to me.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 00:50:02 -0800
From: Sunwater <vitaltec@nbn.com>
To: london@sunSITE.unc.edu
Subject: Permaculture Course Announcement
 
La Tierra Community Presents

Permaculture Design & Certification Course
with Bill Mollison & Scott Pittman 

May  20th - June 3rd
About The Course:
yIn making the transition toward a sustainable society it is imperative 
that we 
take resposibility for our own lives and meet our basic needs for food, 
shelter, energy, gainful employment and supportive community. The purpose of 
this course is to offer you practical training in Permaculture design 
practices so you can understand the application of theses methods and skills 
to the benefit of your home property as well as the local community. The couse 
is structured to give you an intensive overview of permaculture design 
methodololgy. There will be time spent both in the classroom and in the field 
with hands on experience. Certification-upon completion of the course, you 
will be certified as Permaculture Design Trainees, and entitled to use the 
term "Permaculture" in pursuit of a livelihood and for educational purposes.

Course Topics Include: (but are not limited to)
Permaculture Philosophy and Ethics
Permaculture Principals and Design Methodology	
Principals of Natural Systems
Reading the Landscape/Site Analysis	
Water in the Landscape
Soil Building, Erosion Control	 
Village Design & Gardening Techniques
Building Design, Shelters and Energy Conservation
Pond Design
Orchard Management
Plant Guilds
Pest Management

Who Should Take This Course?
Homeowners, backyard gardeners, educators, landscapers, farmers, architects, 
bioregionalists, city planners, foresters, reclamation specialists, 
ecologists, neghborhood organizers-- in short anyone interested in sustainable 
living practices. (Permaculture applies to any scale of propery, from urban 
dwellers with a patio to farmers with large acreage)
The Certification course is essential (in fact required) for anyone who 
desires to be a Permaculture instructor, Permaculture design consultant, or 
use the name Permaculture in their work. 

Instructors:
Bill Mollison, author and founder of Permaculture, has given hundreds of 
lectures and design courses to over 10,000 people worldwide. Bill was the 
recipient of the 1981 Right Livelihood Award in Stockholm, led a a four part 
1991 ABC series called the Global Gardener and was named the Outstanding 
Australian Achiever in 1993.

Scott Pittman , international lecturer, permaculture consultant and one of the 
leading teachers of permaculture in the United States, was founder and 
director of Permaculture Drylands Institute. He has been teaching for 10 years 
and co-teaching with Bill Mollison for the last 5 years. He is recipient of 
the Permaculture Community Service award for "his outstanding contributution 
in raising community awareness on ecological issues through his design, 
teaching and writing."  


Permaculture
(Permanent Agriculture) is the conscious design and maintenance of cultivated 
ecosystems which have the diversity, stability and resilience of natural 
ecosystems. It is the harmonious integration of la of landscape, people and 
appropriate technologies, providing food, shelter, energy and other needs in a 
sustainable way. Permaculture is a philosophy and an approach to land use 
which works with nature's rhythms and patterns, weaving together the elements 
of microclimate, annual and perennial plants, animals, water and soil 
management, and human needs into intricately connected and productive 
communities.

Certification
Upon completion of this Design Course you will be certified as Permaculture 
Designer Trainees and after two years of experience will be eligible for a 
Diploma of Aplplied Permaculture Design awarded at an international 
Permaculture Convergence. You will also be entiltled to use the term 
"Permaculture" in pursuit of livelihood and for educational purposes.

Course Location
La Tierra Community, is an intentional co-housing community on 15 beautiful 
acres with organic orchards, gardens, wetlands, and a year round creek near 
Sebastopol, CA. (one hour north of San Francisco). La Tierra is also a 
Non-Profit educational organization that has recently become a Permaculture 
training site which will be offering various courses and discussion groups on 
Permaculture, and other related topics in the future. 

Cost:   $750  for the complete two week course, all meals, camping or tent 
dormatory included. $800 after May 1, 1195.            
            
There is also an early payment discount for full prepayment before March 1, 
Cost: $700

For Information Call: (707) 829-8191

Pre-Registration is Required: Please send a $200 deposit ($50 non refundable) 
to reserve a place by April 20th
Make Check Payable to: La Tierra 

Send to: La Tierra Community, 708 gravenstein Hwy. N #120, Sebastopol, CA 
95472
Upon receipt of your deposit all participants will be sent a course 
information packet, which will include directions to the course location, what 
to bring, suggested reading and other pertinent information.

Registration Form:  Permaculture Design & Certification Course
Name:

Address:

City: 

State:                    Zipcode:

Home Phone:
                                             
Work Phone:                                                                   
        	
$200 Deposit postmarked by April 20th (balance due of $550 May 1, or	$750 
Registration fee postmarked by May 1, or
$700 Early Payment registration fee postmarked by March 1.
$800 Payment after May 1.          

Make checks payable to La Tierra
Food Preference:            Vegetarian               Other              
Special Needs (attach note) 

Send to: La Tierra Community, 708 gravenstein Hwy. N #120, Sebastopol, CA 
95472







From pinocho@aol.com Sun Mar 26 12:19:31 EST 1995
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From: pinocho@aol.com (Pinocho)
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Subject: Chilean Papaya(yellow)
Date: 23 Mar 1995 02:12:53 -0500
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Where can I find info on Chilean Papaya.  If you know e-mail me


Thanks

Pinocho


From AN700018@brownvm.brown.edu Sun Mar 26 12:19:32 EST 1995
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From: AN700018@brownvm.brown.edu (Marilyn H. Fetterman)
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Subject: N. Am. Fruit Explorers info. request
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I want to join an organization called the North American Fruit Explorers
but first, want to know if the mailing address/dues information I
have from a 1989 magazine article are still correct:

North American Fruit Explorers
Route 1, Box 94
Chapin, IL  62628

Annual dues: $8.

Also, I am interested in corresponding with members of this organization
who live in PA or in RI/CT/MA.

Marilyn H. Fetterman
AN700018@Brownvm.brown.edu


From joel@ssd.intel.com Sun Mar 26 12:19:33 EST 1995
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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Re: Plastic Mulch - should we use it??
Date: 20 Mar 1995 16:51:51 GMT
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In article <950317195041.BA941E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca (Beth Nixon) writes:
>Hi!   I'm hoping someone out here can tell me a little bit about plastic mulch
>and whether it is worthwhile or not.  We have a small patch of strawberries,
>and raspberries (by commercial standards -  large by garden standards!!) and
>may look at growing some melons or other things as well.  
>Is plastic mulch effective at keeping the weeds down??  Is it worth the money??
>How has is it to put down and get the plants still poking through??  Are there
>any other significant benefits in the way of keeping the soil warmer - or does
>this just dry the soil out more and increase the need for irrigation??
>
>Beth Nixon                        bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca
>Penobsquis, NB
>Canada

We use plastic mulch for our melon patch and find it a great help.  Actually
we have been using a degradable fiber black film.  It keeps the weeds down,
warms the ground, and keeps in moisture so less watering is needed.  
"Growing for Market" just did a several page article on plastic mulches.

We apply it by raking up raised beds, laying the mulch over it and burying 
or weighting down the edges.  Then we cut a 3" by 3" hole to plant the
melon starts and lay out the drip irrigation.  Floating row cover also
is a great help for the first month or two.  Side by side comparison with
melons planted without plastic mulch or floating row cover indicate the
covered melons grow about twice as fast in the first two months.  

joel clark



From angusbeef1@aol.com Sun Mar 26 12:19:36 EST 1995
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From: angusbeef1@aol.com (ANGUSBEEF1)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: I am a FFA/Ag Ed student, I think I know it all! Questions?
Date: 23 Mar 1995 20:50:48 -0500
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   I will try to answer any questions about...
Agricultural Education/FFA/4-H
Agriculture/Agronomy/Production
Horticulture
Aquaculture
Agribusiness Management
ETC...

Or share your experiences while in FFA/Ag Ed/4-H

Email: ANGUSBEEF1@aol.com


From gerhard@hk.super.net Tue Mar 28 23:21:26 EST 1995
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From: gerhard@hk.super.net (Mr Gerhard M F R Kutt)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Re: China wants your products
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Li Wang (liwang@oregon.uoregon.edu) wrote:
: Chinese government just approved a $6 billion subsidiary for agriculture
: development.  They are interested in over 1,000 products related to
: agriculture.  If you have things to sell in large quantities or high value
: agricultural machinery, please e-mail: haiyangy@aol.com
: Haiyang
: WYZ International
: 2665 Alder Street
: Eugene, OR 97405 USA

China also produces fairly low quality fruits.  They are no match say for 
California oranges or other fruit.  So may I suggest that it goes as far 
as improving the quality of produce there too.
Since their infrastructure in the country really sucks, a genetically 
improved variety which can last longer after being picked would also 
help.  I think their could be money in this if some people in the 
industry take the long term view.

I'll keep my eyes and ears open...

gerhard@hk.super.net



From cj33880@aol.com Wed Mar 29 23:17:33 EST 1995
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From: cj33880@aol.com (CJ33880)
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Subject: Jaboticaba
Date: 25 Mar 1995 02:24:29 -0500
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After fifteen years our jaboticaba has bloomed and is setting fruit.

Any information about the species, its cultivation, its origin, and its
fruit, would be very much appreciated.  Please e-mail to cj33880@aol.com.

Carl Strang
Winter Haven, FL, USA


From gicgroup@aol.com Thu Mar 30 23:06:29 EST 1995
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From: gicgroup@aol.com (GicGroup)
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Subject: Surface Fermentation information wanted
Date: 25 Mar 1995 20:51:14 -0500
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I am interested in finding out about surface fermentation and any
commercial applications.  Also, If anyone knows who makes machinery to
produce Citric Acid with this process, I'd appreciate it if they'd e-mail
me at:

gicgroup@aol.com
attn: Matthew Marks


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From: bpeeler@infonaut.com (Bill Peeler)
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Subject: Re: Huckleberries
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Laurie McCalla (Laurie.McCalla@med.umich.edu) wrote:
: We recently purchased a farm in southeastern Michigan and
: have found that we have acres (I'm not sure just  how
: many) of Huckleberries.  Does anyone have any experience
: with them?  When is the best time for harvest? Should
: something be done to them each year?  Any ideas on the
: retailability of them?  Even recipe ideas would be
: appreciated.  Thanks

If these are the same fruit we call huckleberries here, I have had
a fair amount of experience with non-commercial use.
We gather (by hand) 3 or 4 gallons every year.  We use them for
pancakes (toss in a handfull), cakes and pies.  Since these are gathered
with great labor by hand, we use them sparingly!  They grow in the
mountains and foothills in Idaho (we go near Idaho Falls) and are picked
for a few weeks in the fall (the exact time varies).  My understanding
is they are a variant of blueberry and are sometimes called mountian
blueberries.  They sell for $25.00 per gallon for hand picked in Idaho.
They don't seem to ship well, although relatives have taken them as far
as Detroit (sp) - how's that for irony? and New York.  When they are
ripe, they range from a dark wine color to a dark, dark purple.  Stains
are almost impossible to get out.  Any ideas on how they could be shipped
this far?  Commercial machines that gather are less than satisfactory,
since they strip the leaves, damage the vines and fruit.  If you can get
some here somehow, (like maybe a gallon?? <g>) i'll be glad to tell you
how they compare with what I know as huckleberries.

good luck
bill
bpeeler@infonaut.com



From jowitt@uclink2.berkeley.edu Sun Apr  2 22:44:50 EDT 1995
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From: jowitt@uclink2.berkeley.edu ()
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Subject: Pesticide questions
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Does anyone have any information on the pesticides most commonly used on
wine grapes in California? In specific, I am looking for info on the
pesticides used on wine grapes in the following counties: Napa, Sonoma,
Monterey, and Mendicino.  I also trying gather pricing and cost information
for the companies that manufacture these pesticides. I am trying to answer
questions such as: Are there distributors for these pesticides, if so, what
do they charge the wine growers, (ballpark figure), what size containers
are the pesticides sold in to the distributors and to the ultimate buyers,
what is the cost basis for the manufacturers for a lb of their pesticide,
what is the cost basis for a lb of pesticide for the distributors. I
apologize in advance for the length of my questions, I know the information
is not readily available, but if anyone has any ideas or info, I would
greatly appreciate it. Thank You. 


From liwang@oregon.uoregon.edu Wed Apr  5 23:56:52 EDT 1995
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From: liwang@oregon.uoregon.edu (Li Wang)
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Subject: WA Apple to China
Date: 1 Apr 1995 00:26:01 GMT
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We want to buy containers of best grade Red Delicious Washington Apple to
export to China.  L/C will be issued after contract signed and paid on
dock.  Please forward price information immediately to: haiyangy@aol.com


From dcdavisson@aol.com Wed Apr  5 23:56:53 EDT 1995
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From: dcdavisson@aol.com (DCDavisson)
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Subject: Any pomologists here?
Date: 4 Apr 1995 11:44:05 -0400
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Can anyone tell me if there is a vendor or lab where the Porter variety of
apple stock survives? Developed by Rev. Samuel Porter, IV, in western Mass
in the mid-eighteenth century, it was still a common variety a hundred
years ago. I can still find descriptions, pictures, &c., but can find no
growers, at least locally. I would be grateful for any information...
Sincerely,

Dave Davisson
Columbus, OH
e-mail: dcdavisson@aol.com


From mto45@aol.com Fri Apr  7 22:34:11 EDT 1995
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From: mto45@aol.com (MTO45)
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Subject: Re: Strawberries and hydroponics
Date: 4 Apr 1995 12:49:00 -0400
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You and me both, Greg.  Where are you located?  I live in a suburb of
Seattle.
Mike Osborn (MTO45).


From dshannon@ag.auburn.edu Fri Apr  7 22:34:12 EDT 1995
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Subject: New sources of Tropical Products
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New Sources of Tropical Products:

	* fruits
	* flowers
	* fragrances
	* handicrafts
	* oils
	* spices
	* coffee
	* chocolate
	* vegetables
	* mutton
	* goat

We will help you develop profitable, direct sourceing arrangements with 
producers and processors of agricultural products in Haiti.  Our services 
are paid by the U.S. government.  Request either an E-mail message, 
telephone call, or letter at:

	dshannon@ag.auburn.edu

Thank you.

Dennis A. Shannon


From ringetringetame@mind.net Fri Apr  7 22:34:13 EDT 1995
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From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert  Inget)
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Have you solved the mite problem? 
We need polination, honey would be nice.
Follow the mite dirrections, remove strips for honey flow and bees get dead.
What does your beekeeper do? You?
Answers confidential.. BerryBob@AOL.COM


From john@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Sat Apr  8 12:25:51 EDT 1995
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In article <3m3qpi$n4h@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
Tatsuya Murase <tots@chop.ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:

<blah>

Yes, I agree, Mr. Moody is a king-class weenie boy.
So, just to compensate for his painful inadequacies, and to spread the
joys of netrek around, I have decided to add some more stupid newsgroups.

Please keep the ball alive.

>--tots

-John

-- 
The Rev. John Morgan Salomon
john@csua.berkeley.edu
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~john


From postmanj@ava.bcc.orst.edu Tue Apr 11 05:13:30 EDT 1995
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From: postmanj@ava.bcc.orst.edu (Joseph Postman)
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Subject: You Can Help Expand Strawberry Gene Bank!
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     HELP EXPAND COLLECTION OF STRAWBERRY GENETIC RESOURCES
      ____________________________________________________

   You are invited to participate in an experiment in collecting a diverse
representation of strawberry (Fragaria species) germplasm.   Please feel 
free to forward this message to school teachers.

   At the National Clonal Germplasm Repository in Corvallis, Oregon, we
maintain ex situ plant germplasm collections of several temperate fruit
and nut crops.  These plant collections are freely available to plant 
breeders and other researchers around the world.  I would like to test the
possibility of using the internet to access and assemble seed collections
of an easily identified, and easily extracted wild fruit plant.  During
the next month or two, strawberries (Fragaria species) should be ripening
their fruit in much of the northern hemisphere.  The wild Fragaria
virginiana in my corner of Oregon are just now blooming. 

     We are interested in expanding our collection of *wild* and
preferably *native* strawberry germplasm.  Geographic regions of North 
America that are NOT well represented in our strawberry gene bank include 
the mid-west, south-east, and south-west U.S. (except California), 
Alaska, and central to eastern Canada.  Seed samples from everywhere 
outside of North America are also needed.

   If you would like to participate in this effort, and enjoy a bit of
your local outdoor environment, please do the following: 

1.  Watch for a patch of wild strawberries in your part of the world.  We
do *not* want seed from cultivated varieties in a garden, or from plants
that may have escaped from cultivation, but from plants that appear to be
a part of the native vegetation. 

2.  If there are ripe fruit present, pick a handful of fruit and place in
a small bag.  Even 5 - 10 fruit will contain a useful quantity of seed,
and no more than 25 fruit from a site are needed.  Be sure to eat some of
the fruit around you and enjoy this spring treat.  This is an excellent
activity for those with young children!  (SCHOOL TEACHERS TAKE NOTE)

3.  Strawberry plants growing very close together may actually be a single
clone, so to get a better representation of the genetic diversity it is
better to collect fruit from several scattered plants at one location.  

(I am only asking for a single sample from each participant.  If you wish
to make additional collections from different locations, or from plants
that appear to be a different species, that would be great.)

4.  Please also collect 2-3 average leaves from the plants to aid us in
species identification.  These can be flattened and dried inside a folded
paper towel. 

5.  Strawberry seeds are easily separated from ripe fruit by placing them
in a household blender with a cup of water and blending at high speed for
just a few seconds. (Not too long, or the seeds may be damaged).  The good
seeds will settle to the bottom, and the fruit pulp and unripe seeds will
float.  Wait a minute or so for the seeds to settle, and pour off the
liquid. The seeds can then be rinsed or scraped out and allowed to dry on
a paper towel. 

   Or, just send the fruit and we will extract the seeds here.  If you are
outside the United States, please extract the seeds, as fresh fruit may
harbor pests and should not be sent into the U.S. from abroad. 

6.  Place the dried seeds, along with a brief note describing where they were
collected, in an envelope and send to the address below.  We would like 
enough information to be able to estimate your latitude, longitude, and 
elevation from our maps.  Comments about the local environment (soil, 
climate, other nearby vegetation) while appreciated, are not necessary.   
Please also enclose the dried leaves, and your name and address so that 
we can acknowledge you as the collector.

7.  There are no quarantine restrictions against shipping strawberry
seeds, or dried leaf specimens into or within the United States. 

8.  Seed samples will be deposited in the U.S. National Plant Germplasm
System's repository in Corvallis, Oregon, with your name as the
donor/collector.  We will germinate a few seeds from samples that
represent unique species, or under-represented geographic areas.  Plants
will be evaluated for horticultural and botanical characteristics, and all
samples will be made available to researchers around the world. 

   I will send a brochure describing our plant germplasm conservation
program, and a summary of samples received through this internet
experiment to anyone who participates.  Thank you for your assistance.  

This message will be re-posted in about a month. 


Please send seed samples to:

	Strawberry Project
	National Clonal Germplasm Repository
	33447 Peoria Road
	Corvallis, Oregon 97333
	USA

 ============================================================================
       Joseph D. Postman        |       N ational            \
      -PLANT PATHOLOGIST-       |       C lonal            /,,,,\   Eat More
     postmanj@bcc.orst.edu      |       G ermplasm         \,,,,/   Fruit!
     corjp@sol.ars-grin.gov     |       R epository         \,,/
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	USDA/Agricultural Research Service, Corvallis, Oregon, USA


From egriffin@shadow.net Tue Apr 11 05:13:31 EDT 1995
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From: egriffin@shadow.net (Ed Griffin)
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Subject: No-chill raspberrys?
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Does anyone know of a raspberry (preferably red), other than the
white-caned "Mysore' raspberry, that will thrive in Zone 10?

Thank you.



From gui@dnai.com Thu Apr 13 00:32:05 EDT 1995
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http://www.dnai.com/~gui/index.html


From otto@gold.acns.fsu.edu Thu Apr 13 23:41:10 EDT 1995
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From: otto@gold.acns.fsu.edu (John G. Otto)
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Subject: apple years to maturity
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Does anyone have any pointers to information about how long
it takes the different varieties of apple to bear significant
amount of fruit?  I vaguely recall my father saying that
Macintoshes took 5 or 6 years before being worthwhile, but...
--
jgo


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From perkinsl@aspen.uml.edu Sat Apr 15 14:06:34 EDT 1995
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hi there



From gwebb@.carleton.ca Sat Apr 15 14:06:35 EDT 1995
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From rrues@gladstone.uoregon.edu Sat Apr 15 14:06:37 EDT 1995
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From: rrues@gladstone.uoregon.edu (Raphael Oscar Rues)
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Subject: HELP:Swiss immigration and agricolture
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I am looking for information related to the economical contribution of the 
Swiss Immigration in the US. I am especially interested in finding 
informations on the following matters:

		- what kind of vineyard did the Swiss introduce
		  in America? I know of examples in California but I am
		  unaware of which kind exactly. 

		- are there any other region beside California that saw
		  the appearance of Swiss origin vineyard?

		- is there someone that knows if and what did the Swiss
		  introduce regarding seeds, races or way of working in
		  agricolture?

		- informations on the Brown Swiss Cow and its application
		  to the North American economy (cross posted to agric.misc)

I am thankful for every contribution that you may give me,
regards

Raphael


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From nfgii@aol.com Tue Apr 18 16:33:43 EDT 1995
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From: nfgii@aol.com (NFGII)
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Subject: Re: Rainier cherries & large white flesh peaches available
Date: 15 Apr 1995 00:55:47 -0400
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I am aware of those prices for the export market.  So far the supply has
not been sufficient to provide enough cherries for the Japanese market AND
the domestic American market, which is a shame for all of us.  Also my
quantities were too small to consider exporting.  However, this year and
especially future years should see a considerable increase in Rainier
tonnage, to the point where they will be seen in supermarkets.


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Subject: Help:Cornell/NY Apple Econ doc needed
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I am trying to obtain a copy of a Cornell document titled "An Economic
Analysis of the US Apple Industry" written by L..S. Willett, AE Ext 93-05,
62 pp.  Aug 1992.  Cornell tells me it's no longer in print.  Does anyone
have a copy they would be willing/able to photocopy and send to me?  I'd
be happy to reimburse for copying and mailing.  If you are able to help,
please respond by emailing me at:  Kedberg@mda-is.mda.state.mn.us      
Thanks much!!     Kevin Edberg,  MN Dept. of Agriculture,


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George Scott (gscott@efn.org) wrote:

: Somewhere in the hodgepodge of fruit trees planted around my house, I would
: like to plant two or three cherry trees.  The climate here is very damp in
: the springtime.  What varieties do well in wet environments?  Is it too late
: this year to plant leafed out cherry trees?  What is the advantage of 
: dwarf vs. semi-dwarf stock?
: Any comment will be appreciated.

Plant trees close enough to each other that they can cross-pollinate for 
maximum yield.  Some varieties are self-pollinating, but will produce 
more if in a group.  Plant them far enough away from each other so that 
they won't interfere with each other at full growth.

Cherries only have trouble with excess moisture when they are ripening; 
it causes the skin of the fruit to split.

Dwarf trees take up less room, are easier to prune, and if birds give you 
trouble, are easier to cover with a net.  Semi-dwarf produce more only 
at full growth only because of their size.

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Subject: Re: Stupid question: air in apples
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DE3 (de3@aol.com) wrote:
: Somebody asked me and I don't know the answer: where does the air (gas,
: more accurately) in the middle of an apple come from?  From the initial
: blossom?  Or are there small channels through which it seeps in?  Sorry if
: this question is, well, on the stupid side.....

: DE3

The skin of the apple is gas permeable.  That's why they are waxed to 
extend their shelf life.

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John G. Otto (otto@gold.acns.fsu.edu) wrote:
: Does anyone have any pointers to information about how long
: it takes the different varieties of apple to bear significant
: amount of fruit?  I vaguely recall my father saying that
: Macintoshes took 5 or 6 years before being worthwhile, but...
: --
: jgo

I got a few good pieces from my Golden delicious three years after
planting it as 1/2" bareroot semi-dwarf stock from Stark Bros.  This year,
I did a good job of pruning for fruiting wood and its flowering and 
forming apples like mad!  Here's hoping ...

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From kmcgahey@uoguelph.ca Fri Apr 21 01:03:41 EDT 1995
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From: kmcgahey@uoguelph.ca (Keith E McGahey)
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Subject: HELP: Atlantic Giant Pumpkins
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	I was wondering if anyone out there new anything about Atlantic 
Giant pumpkins.  I am a first time grower and really know nothing about 
them.  How much room should I leave for them?  What should I feed 
them...how much sun/water do they need?  What about pollinating them???  
I had trouble with canteloupes in the past and am wondering if these are 
more easily pollinated.  Any help, or helpful hints from anyone with any
knowledge, ideas, or experience would be greatly appreciated :)  Thanks in 
advance!

Keith

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From xarcor@aol.com Fri Apr 21 01:03:44 EDT 1995
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  I have learned how to graft many types of fruit trees by using the
standard whip graft with a tounge cut.  I would be curious to know if any
body can tell me how to graft grapes.  What is the timing and what type of
graft?  thank you in advance.  please E-mail me if possible or list a
response to this newsgroup.


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you might try Jersey mac for a quick yeild.  A mac -june red cross I get
grafts that yeild the next two years afterwards.


From garyd@unixg.ubc.ca Fri Apr 21 01:03:50 EDT 1995
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I've recently noticed that there is a substantial amount of research being 
done on tissue culturing techniques for a variety of fruit crops.  I was 
wondering, if any of this is used commercially.  Does anyone know of 
companies/nurseries that do this sort of thing?  If you are a farmer, do you 
think you would use tissue cultured products?  I'm assuming that a suitable 
set of trees could be selected for desireable traits such as 
pathogen resistance, yield volume, etc., and that this set would be large 
enough to avoid the potential problems of orchards full of clonal trees.  
Please post your comments.  Thanks in advance!

Gary C. Donaldson			garyd@unixg.ubc.ca
Dept. of Plant Science		
University of British Columbia		



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plant the thing in some damp soil in a big pot. the one I have is fruiting
for the first time,after I planted it about 3 years ago....


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In article <3nb8t3$aa@cwis.isu.edu>, jagomich@cwis.isu.edu says...
>
>toyota test,
>-- 
>
>michael
testing from jlf



From HALECEC@KSG1.HARVARD .EDU Sun May  7 17:09:31 EDT 1995
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This is a test.   Please ignore
this...................................................................
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Just another Test


From dharper@biddeford.com Sun May  7 17:09:32 EDT 1995
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From: Don Harper <dharper@biddeford.com>
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Here is one of the truely native american fruits. Read about the 
history of the wild blueberry and what is happening today. If you have
access to the web then go to the following address and enjoy:
http://www.biddeford.com/~dtaylor/ww/ww1.html
If you cannot access this then send for this via e-mail and we will
send you the Wild Blueberry Folder. 
Dr. Razbry


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Want to grow raspberries or are you having trouble growing them now?
Dr.Razbry has a file of FAQ's which can possibly help you. If your 
questions are not answered here then send your questions in and we
will see what we can do to help. If you have access to the Web then
go to; http://www.biddeford.com/~dtaylor/ww/ww1.html
If you cannot access this then send direct e-mail to me directly at:
dharper@biddeford.com
All mail is answered on a daily basis.
Dr.Razbry


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I've got a 4 year old dwarf Valencia orange tree that has grown a lot
the last year.  Unfortunately, this growth is mostly in the form of
those fast growing suckers that shoot straight up from the branches.  I
read somewhere that these suckers will never produce fruit. Is this
true?  What is the best course of action here?

Thanks,  Carl Thorne


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Try this Web site:
http://GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU/WWW/AGATOR_HOME.HTM

Then look for FAIRS and search citrus handbook. This is the University of
Florida IFAS agriculture Home Page


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From: jonboy384@aol.com (Jon Boy384)
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Hi Pepe, 

One of the most effective treatments for SJS is an oil spray applied just
as the buds begin to swell in the spring. Use a product such as Sunspray
6E at a rate of 2 gallons/100 dilute and really soak the trees. If you are
doing it with a hand gun, take care to direct it into all the crotches at
the top of the tree. An insecticide such as Lorsban 4E can be added to the
oil, and will aid in Rosy Aphid control, but a good full coverage oil
spray should do the trick. 

If you have missed your chance at a oil spray this season,  and you have
had a severe problem last year, there is almost nothing you can do which
will eliminate the problem. During the summer there is just too much
foliage to get adequate coverage, at least on big trees. You could try
Penncap-M(restricted use). I'm not sure if Diazinon still has an Apple
label, but that used to work pretty good. At least you might be able to
keep the fruit clean. Your best bet is to get into a good routine with
Dormant Oil Sprays

Good Luck 

Jon


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I hope that the IRS reads these postings, I may help reduce my taxes when
the find you have made so much money
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This is Amway, right? (Yes or No only).


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A kindergarten teacher needs to know: On what type of plant does the kiwi 
fruit grow? Is it a vine, bush, tree??

Thanks


From rmarkley@maine.com Sun May 21 00:11:06 EDT 1995
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From: rmarkley@maine.com (Reed W. Markley)
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For the past 4 years,  I have been using a pesticide utilization
record keeping database that I developed using the Microsoft Excel
macro language.  I keep track of all of my apple orchard spraying,
print the EPA WPS Notification sheets, and can determine cost and/or
amounts on a per block, per pest, per acre, etc.basis.  Weather data
for each spray can be input. At some point, I may release the program
as shareware, but first, I would like a few people other than myself
to try the program and offer comments and criticism.  In other words,
to be beta testers.  I think the program would lend itself to any form
of agriculture except livestock. The program maintains records on all
the Maine and federal required topics.  If anyone is interested,
please send me email.  
Best Regards
Reed W. Markley
Lakeside Orchards
207-622-2479
rmarkley@maine.com



From rjohns@bnr.ca Wed May 24 23:53:56 EDT 1995
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From: rjohns@bnr.ca (Rick Johns)
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I make strawberry mead (honey wine) and it ferments much more furiously with
strawberries than any other fruit I've used.  What's in strawberries?  I don't
think there's much sugar in them, but there must be something the yeast likes.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Cheers,
 Rick Johns
 Bell-Northern Research
 rjohns@bnr.ca


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From search4um@aol.com Wed May 24 23:53:59 EDT 1995
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From: search4um@aol.com (Search4Um)
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Subject: Position:  CA  Ag Economic Analyst
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0-3 years of experience

Major agribusiness entity located in California's San Joaquin Valley seeks
motivated production economist to analyze various on-farm issues relating
to
the production of various crops. Analysis of both experimental and
production
data will be required to assist management in the selection of appropriate
production techniques. A strong background in statistics is required,
including hypothesis testing, regression analysis and experimental design.
Proficiency with computers is important.

The position is full-time in nature with a somewhat flexible starting
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Salary will be competitive and commensurate with experience and skill
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Please send your resume, with a copy of academic records and references,
to:

Larry V. Combs, Esq.

805.831.1839 FAX
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Dept. Name:       Research & Development

PRIMARY PURPOSE OF POSITION:

To analyze farming related production and research data in order to
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TYPICAL RESPONSIBILITIES:

Assist in the design, set up, and analysis of all production research.
Collect research data from various sources, analyze and generate reports,
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Assist with analysis of ranch acquisition and profitability.

Design, execute, and present crop estimates for company, outside growers,
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Develop production functions for crops based on input from managers.

Analyze crop harvest reports.

Analyze factors affecting crop reject percentages.

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KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL REQUIREMENTS:

B.S. or M.S. degree required in Statistics, Economics, Agricultural
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Must be proficient with spreadsheet programs. Good working knowledge of
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The essential requirements of this position include, but are not limited
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From cid@magi.com Fri May 26 00:37:46 EDT 1995
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Subject: WANTED MINATURE HEDGEHOGS (BREEDING STOCK)
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We are looking to purchase one to two pairs of Hedge Hogs for breeding 
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please contact the writer forthwith.

Thanking you in advance,
K. Richard McIntyre

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From sieferme@u.washington.edu Fri May 26 00:37:47 EDT 1995
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In article <3pqa2a$t13@news.erinet.com>,  <venus.erinet.com> wrote:

>There is a primitive tribe in South America who have been dying of a strange 
>disease, at a relatively young age, for many generations.

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From liebsch@bud.indirect.com Fri May 26 00:37:48 EDT 1995
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From jonboy384@aol.com Fri May 26 00:37:49 EDT 1995
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From: jonboy384@aol.com (Jon Boy384)
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Subject: Re: Peach tree leaf curl
Date: 24 May 1995 20:54:53 -0400
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Hi Mark,
Peach Leaf Curl is caused by a fungus that attacks the new leaves as they
emerge in the Spring. It can be easily controlled by either spraying the
trees with Ferbam in the Fall after Harvest and after about 90% of the
leaves have dropped, or wait until the spring and apply Lime-Sulfur before
the buds break. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do for leaf curl
during the growing season except watch the leaves get ugly and drop. There
is also some speculation that on some varieties, the leaf curl fungus can
cause a rough growth along the suture of the peach.

Good Luck, 
Jon  Bishop <jonboy384@aol.com>


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mnelson (mnelson@wco.com) wrote:
: mnelson (mnelson@wco.com) wrote:
: : Try tree netting.  Its very light, so it should damage the leaves and

: Err, make that "should NOT damage".

: : fruit.  Getting the netting on and off is the hardest part.

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Subject: Strawberry Time!  Help expand small fruit gene bank.
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     HELP EXPAND COLLECTION OF STRAWBERRY GENETIC RESOURCES
      ____________________________________________________
  
  Second Post
  Much thanks to those who have responded, and who have already sent seeds. 

   -------------
   You are invited to participate in an experiment in wide-area germplasm
collection.  Please feel free to forward this message to school teachers 
or other appropriate individuals.

   At the National Clonal Germplasm Repository in Corvallis, Oregon, we
maintain plant germplasm collections of several temperate fruit and nut
crops.  These plant collections are freely available to plant breeders and
other researchers around the world.  I would like to test the possibility
of using the internet to access and assemble seed collections of an easily
identified, and easily extracted wild fruit plant.  Wild strawberries 
are beginning to ripen in much of North America, and depending on your 
latitude and elevation may continue during the next month or two.  Wild 
Fragaria virginiana here in Western Oregon are just starting to ripen. 

     We are interested in expanding our collection of *wild* and
preferably *native* strawberry germplasm.  Geographic regions of North
America that are NOT well represented in our strawberry gene bank include
the mid-west, south-east, and south-west U.S. (except California), Alaska,
and central to eastern Canada.  Out of the 50 United States, more than 25
are not represented in our collection!  Seed samples from everywhere
outside of North America are also needed. 

   If you would like to participate in this effort, and enjoy a bit of
your local outdoor environment, please do the following: 

1.  Watch for a patch of wild strawberries in your part of the world.  We
do *not* want seed from cultivated varieties in a garden, or from plants
that may have escaped from cultivation, but from plants that appear to be
a part of the native vegetation. 

2.  If there are ripe fruit present, pick a handful of fruit and place in
a small bag.  Even 5 - 10 fruit will contain a useful quantity of seed,
and no more than 25 fruit from a site are needed.  Be sure to eat some of
the fruit around you and enjoy this spring treat.  This is an excellent
activity for those with young children!  (SCHOOL TEACHERS TAKE NOTE)

3.  Strawberry plants growing very close together may actually be a single
clone, so to get a better representation of the genetic diversity it is
better to collect fruit from several scattered plants at one location.  

(I am only asking for a single sample from each participant.  If you wish
to make additional collections from different locations, or from plants
that appear to be a different species, that would be great.)

4.  Please also collect 2-3 average leaves from the plants to aid us in
species identification.  These can be flattened and dried inside a folded
paper towel. 

5.  Strawberry seeds are easily separated from ripe fruit by placing them
in a household blender with a cup of water and blending at high speed for
just a few seconds. (Not too long, or the seeds may be damaged).  The good
seeds will settle to the bottom, and the fruit pulp and unripe seeds will
float.  Wait a minute or so for the seeds to settle, and pour off the
liquid. The seeds can then be rinsed or scraped out and allowed to dry on
a paper towel. 

   Or, just send the fruit and we will extract the seeds here.  If you are
outside the United States, please extract the seeds, as fresh fruit may
harbor pests and should not be sent into the U.S. from abroad. 

6.  Place the dried seeds, along with a brief note describing where they were
collected, in an envelope and send to the address below.  We would like 
enough information to be able to estimate your latitude, longitude, and 
elevation from our maps.  Comments about the local environment (soil, 
climate, other nearby vegetation) while appreciated, are not necessary.   
Please also enclose the dried leaves, and your name and address so that 
we can acknowledge you as the collector.

7.  There are *no* quarantine restrictions against shipping strawberry
seeds, or dried leaf specimens into or within the United States. 

8.  Seed samples will be deposited in the U.S. National Plant Germplasm
System's repository in Corvallis, Oregon, with your name as the
donor/collector.  We will germinate a few seeds from samples that
represent unique species, or under-represented geographic areas.  Plants
will be evaluated for horticultural and botanical characteristics, and all
samples will be made available to researchers around the world. 

   I will send a brochure describing our plant germplasm conservation
program, and a summary of samples received through this internet
experiment to anyone who participates.  Thank you for your assistance.  


Plant Identification Note:  There are two genera that are easily confused 
with strawberry.  Strawberries nearly always have WHITE flowers.  Potentilla 
and Duchesnea may have very similar leaves and fruit, but most have 
yellow flowers (and the fruit is not sweet).

 Please send seed samples to:

	Strawberry Project
	National Clonal Germplasm Repository
	33447 Peoria Road
	Corvallis, Oregon 97333
	USA

 ============================================================================
       Joseph D. Postman        |       N ational            \
      -PLANT PATHOLOGIST-       |       C lonal            /,,,,\   Eat More
     postmanj@bcc.orst.edu      |       G ermplasm         \,,,,/   Fruit!
     corjp@sol.ars-grin.gov     |       R epository         \,,/
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	USDA/Agricultural Research Service, Corvallis, Oregon, USA


From tjm@worldweb.net Sat May 27 22:46:53 EDT 1995
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From: joe@wolfe.net (Joe)
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I hope the Yakima Valley farmers and orchardists use this new group.


--
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| Joe Hamelin KB7WAI |    joe@nethead.com  &  http://www.nethead.com     |
|   Yakima WA USA    | Without love in the dream it will never come true.|
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From oje@porky.demon.co.uk Sat May 27 22:46:56 EDT 1995
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     The No. 1 source of information about getting
     jobs abroad is Overseas Jobs Express - not
     just computer jobs but overseas work of all kinds,  
     skilled and unskilled, temporary and permanent.
     You can find out more by sending blank email to:-

                    OJE@zoom.com

     The OJE mailbot will reply (probably within minutes) 
     with a mass of information about the paper and the 
     kind of jobs advertised, plus information 
     about OJE's overseas job-hunters label service
     and a list of books about finding work abroad.



From randyw@wolfe.net Sun May 28 15:20:03 EDT 1995
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joe@wolfe.net (Joe) wrote:

>I hope the Yakima Valley farmers and orchardists use this new group.

I hear you Joe, just found it myself.  So far looks pretty interesting.
--
>>>===> Randy or Verda Wilkinson; Yakima, WA   randyw@wolfe.net <===<<<
                     http://www.wolfe.net/~randyw
            (...with all thy getting, get understanding)



From mcdelisl@iprolink.ch Sun May 28 15:20:04 EDT 1995
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From: mcdelisl@iprolink.ch (marie-claire delisle)
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In article <hK5frRl.gschul@delphi.com>, Gary Schultheis
<gschul@delphi.com> wrote:

> <lcalhoun@utkvx.utk.edu> writes:
>  
> >>A kindergarten teacher needs to know: On what type of plant does the kiwi 
> >>fruit grow? Is it a vine, bush, tree??
>  
> A guy in Indiana who has been raising some very vigorous hardy
> kiwi vines needs to know: How long to I have to wait for these
> things to bloom? They're at least 5 years old.
>  
> Thanks,
> -
> Gary Schultheis          gschul@delphi.com

Hi,

The kiwis are growing like small trees, and they give fruits after 2-3-years.
It's immportant to know that ther are male and female kiwis plants. So if
you plant kiwis you have to plant 2 plants (one male and another female.

Bye

Marie-claire delisle


From zzang@aol.com Mon May 29 21:45:20 EDT 1995
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Lace birdseed with Honey and a household pesticide will do the trick


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It sounds like your peach trees were hit by frost sometime this spring.
Better luck next year. Apply for a state disaster grant


From sjk@st-andrews.ac.uk Mon May 29 21:45:23 EDT 1995
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Si ustedes no las han probado todavia, les puedo decir que son las 
mejores judias de toda Espa~a. Se venden en muchas tiendas de la comarca 
y este alimento tipico de Castilla-Leon se encuentra tambien en los menus 
de cantidad de restaurantes de la zona.

Les consejo a todos ustedes enterarse de la alegria que son estas judias.


From cgp2@le.ac.uk Tue May 30 23:57:10 EDT 1995
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On Mon, 29 May 1995, Stewart James Kirkpatrick wrote:

> 
> Si ustedes no las han probado todavia, les puedo decir que son las 
> mejores judias de toda Espa~a. Se venden en muchas tiendas de la comarca 
> y este alimento tipico de Castilla-Leon se encuentra tambien en los menus 
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> de cantidad de restaurantes de la zona.


Siguiendo los consejos de mi paisano Pedro Gago, cada vez que aparezca la 
inefable descripcion de Castilla Y Leon mal escrita, aparecera la replica 
pertinente, porque si no nos defendemos nosotros, quien lo va a hacer?
Al menos en scs acabareis hartos de nosotros y todos sabreis que es 
Castilla y (nada de guiones) Leon.
Respecto a si las judias de El Barco son las mejores de Espan~a podriamos
decir que son de las mejores junto con las de La Granja y las de La 
Ban~eza, eso si, todas ellas en Castilla y Leon.

Carlos


From tlema@ix.netcom.com Wed May 31 13:42:20 EDT 1995
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I have a peach tree that look very healthy, had full blooms.  90% of
buds have dried up and following off the tree. This has happened for
the last two years even though it is well fed and watered. Any idea
why?   


From pollinator@aol.com Thu Jun  1 11:19:47 EDT 1995
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>Subject: Peach tree
>From: tlema@ix.netcom.com (Ernest Taylor )
>Date: 28 May 1995 08:00:33 GMT
>Message-ID: <3q9aj1$suq@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>

>I have a peach tree that look very healthy, had full blooms.  90% of
buds have dried up and following off the tree. This has happened for
the last two years even though it is well fed and watered. Any idea
why?   

  Do you have bees?

  There is a myth about - that peaches self-pollinate.  They are self
fertile, which makes them easier to pollinate than apples, but it is not
the same.  You still need something to transfer the pollen, even if it is
within the same flower.

   So your problem could be lack of pollinators.  In many areas bees are
gone.

   You do not need a pollinizer (a different variety to provide compatible
pollen) but it might help.  Although self fertile, peaches are receptive
to cross pollination, and will be more vigorous then.  In other words
there is a probability of larger and sweeter fruit.
Pollinator@aol.com                                   Dave Green
Dave's Pollination Service         Eastern Pollinator Newsletter
PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC    29554


From sals@rain.org Thu Jun  1 11:19:48 EDT 1995
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how do you tell when kiwi's are ready to pick.

--

Sal Schettino,Organic Farmer,don't panic eat organic,sals@rain.org
or check out my homepage:            http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html    .



From khatten@netcom.com Thu Jun  1 11:19:50 EDT 1995
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Folks - 

I am moving out to a farm that hasn't been one for 3 decades, thus there
isn't a functional toilet facility. I'm planning on building an outhouse,
but a friend told me there was a 'better alternative' - the bio-toilet.
Apparently, it is a cross between an outhouse and an inside flusher,
with some sort of biological agent as a twist.

Anyone have any comments on such an item ? On outhouse maintenance
in general ? I know, I know, this can be a s____y subject, etc. Please
contain yourselves. Any and all assistance will be appreciated.
Pointers to groups where info might be obtained on agricultural matters
of all variety would be appreciated - bees, cows(etal), trees(wood,fruit,etc),
chickens, and on and on and on..... ;}

Thanks,
Ken - khatten@netcom.com


From i9787407@petra.euitio.uniovi.es Fri Jun  2 23:04:31 EDT 1995
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Carlos Polanco (cgp2@le.ac.uk) wrote:
: > 
: > Si ustedes no las han probado todavia, les puedo decir que son las 
: > mejores judias de toda Espa~a. Se venden en muchas tiendas de la comarca 
: > y este alimento tipico de Castilla-Leon se encuentra tambien en los menus 

: Siguiendo los consejos de mi paisano Pedro Gago, cada vez que aparezca la 
: inefable descripcion de Castilla Y Leon mal escrita, aparecera la replica 
: pertinente, porque si no nos defendemos nosotros, quien lo va a hacer?

: Carlos

Eso digo yo: LEON sin Castilla !!!!
(y si no se oyen mas voces, es por que la Universidad de Leon no tiene
acceso a Internet... :-(  (por algo sera, verdad pucelanos?))

Saludos.
_____________________________________________________________________________
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From jonboy384@aol.com Fri Jun  2 23:04:32 EDT 1995
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From: jonboy384@aol.com (Jon Boy384)
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Subject: Re: Peach tree leaf curl
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<My peach trees have had a leaf curl for the past coulple years.
The leaves look like they have cancer.  the growth on the leaf
encompasses about have the leave and bubbles up with red and
light yellow colration on the growth.  What is this growth
caused by and how can I treat it?>

Mark, I posted you the other day regarding your bout with leaf curl.
AFterwards I came acrossed this information on Pen Pages, a Gopher Site at
Penn State which adds some detail to what I had already told you. 

Again, good luck, 

Jon

PEACH LEAF CURL

Peach leaf curl is a fungus infection which destroys early peach leaves. 
Although new leaves develop, their growth reduces established food
reserves,
may reduce yield, and weakens the tree.  Defoliation by peach leaf curl in
successive seasons may result in the death of the tree.

SYMPTOMS

Infected leaves, which begin appearing in mid-May, are easily
distinguished
>from  healthy leaves since they are puckered and thicker than normal.  The
deformed area of the leaf is red to yellow at first and then brown. 
Eventually the infected leaves fall from the tree.

Spores of the leaf curl fungus overwinter on the surface of peach twigs. 
In
the spring, the spores multiply during periods of moist weather until the
leafbuds swell and open.  Rain is necessary for infection.  The spores are
carried on a film of water into the buds, where leaves are infected. 
Cool,
wet weather slows down leaf development and allows more time for leaf curl
infection.  Infection occurs readily at 50 degrees to 70 degrees F.  If
the
weather is dry during bud swell and bud break, leaf curl infection is
limited.

After the deformed and discolored leaves turn brown and fall, they produce
powdery-gray spores.  The spores are wind blown to the surface of the
peach
twigs, where they remain all winter.

CONTROL

Peach leaf curl is not difficult to control.  A single spray in the fall
after
leaf drop or in the spring before budswell will control the disease.  The
spring application must be made before bud swell.  Once the fungus enters
the
leaf, the disease cannot be controlled.

The fungicide kills the spores on the surface of the twigs.  For either
the
spring or fall spray to be effective, the application must be thorough. 
Complete coverage of the twigs, branches, and trunks is essential. 
Applications made from one side of the tree or with highly concentrated
sprays
may not be effective.

In commercial orchards Ferbam 76% WP (2 lb/100 gallons, 5.25 lb/acre) or
copper sulfate (7.75 lb/acre, 3 lb/100 gallons) plus lime (7.75 lb/acre, 3
lb/100 gallons) are the recommended fungicides for spring or fall
applications. 

For home orchards, 2 tablespoonsful of Ferbam per gallon of water in the
fall
or spring is recommended.

CULTURAL RECOMMENDATIONS

Where leaf curl is severe, maintaining tree vigor is very important:

1.  Reduce the demand on the tree by thinning fruit.
2.  Reduce drought stress by irrigating.
3.  Fertilize the trees with nitrogen fertilizer by June 15.  Be careful
not
to     overstimulate the trees.

__________________________________________________________________________
_____
NOTICE:  THE USER OF THIS INFORMATION ASSUMES ALL RISKS FOR PERSONAL
INJURY
OR
PROPERTY DAMAGE.

WARNING!  PESTICIDES ARE POISONOUS.  READ AND FOLLOW ALL DIRECTIONS AND
SAFETY
PRECAUTIONS ON LABELS.  HANDLE CAREFULLY AND STORE IN ORIGINAL LABELED
CONTAINERS OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN, PETS, AND LIVESTOCK.  DISPOSE OF
EMPTY CONTAINERS RIGHT AWAY, IN A SAFE MANNER AND PLACE.  DO NOT
CONTAMINATE
FORAGE, STREAMS, OR PONDS.
 
Where trade names are used no discrimination is intended and no
endorsement
by
Penn State Cooperative Extension is implied.


+-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---+
Author:  J. W. Travis, Associate Professor of Plant Pathology
Department of Plant Pathology, Penn State


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This is a test


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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950529205335.6499C-100000@langs>,
Stewart James Kirkpatrick  <sjk@st-andrews.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Si ustedes no las han probado todavia, les puedo decir que son las 
>mejores judias de toda Espa~a. Se venden en muchas tiendas de la comarca 
>y este alimento tipico de Castilla-Leon se encuentra tambien en los menus 
>de cantidad de restaurantes de la zona.
>
>Les consejo a todos ustedes enterarse de la alegria que son estas judias.


TOTALMENTE DE ACUERDO. Estas alubias son buenas de verdad.
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-------- Alex Beascoechea -----------
alex@ecse.rpi.edu beascoea@cs.rpi.edu 
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From pastor@ebi.ac.uk Fri Jun  2 23:04:36 EDT 1995
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>
>Eso digo yo: LEON sin Castilla !!!!
>(y si no se oyen mas voces, es por que la Universidad de Leon no tiene
>acceso a Internet... :-(  (por algo sera, verdad pucelanos?))
>
>Saludos.
Si claro, en mis manos esta como decia Jesucristo (o alguien parecido)

Pero que de bobadas hay que leer.....

Y por cierto, te recuerdo por que lo he leido en otro articulo tuyo MAL 
escrito, que la comunidad se llama Castilla Y Leon, por que consiste de
DOS unidades diferenciadas puestas juntas.   

PILI


From chettown@aol.com Sun Jun  4 13:39:41 EDT 1995
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From: chettown@aol.com (ChetTown)
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You might try some of Corel's Photo CDs. They have many fruits and
vegetables on CD. Pretty good quality.


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Does anyone have information on growing papayas? I have some land in the
Dominican Republic which I have planted with papayas. 


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I think I saw some at TOYS R US, some had rips, but most were OK.


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Starfruit trees grow in warm climate. We have them here in 
Central Florida (Orlando). I guess any place south of Orlando 
would have them too.

Phu Ho


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My friend Lily lives in Hong Kong, like me.  She loves
to receive phone calls from foreign men. She does 
not have computer, so I am sending this message for her.

If you want to call her and you are in the United States 
the number is  011 852 1747 3094.  Callers 
>from  other countries need to put the international 
code then 852 1747 3094.

No e-mail please.

Sylvia Wong




From jm214@cl.cam.ac.uk Sun Jun  4 13:39:46 EDT 1995
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Para aquellos en las islas: en Cambridge las podeis encontrar en 
The Cambridge Cheese Co., 4 All Saints Passage, eso si, a los habituales 
precios exhorbitantes..

Julio
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                _
      Julio MARINO
      --------------------------------------------------------
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      The Computer Laboratory      Room TM4
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From ethoonen@alpha Sun Jun  4 13:39:47 EDT 1995
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Does anyone know a biological method for the fight against Verticillium in
strawberries (withering of the plants when the strawberries are on it ). For the moment I use a fungicide with very good result , but ....
not ecological .

Regards .


Erik Thoonen

ethoonen@luc.ac.be



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Stewart James Kirkpatrick (sjk@st-andrews.ac.uk) wrote:

>Si ustedes no las han probado todavia, les puedo decir que son las 
>mejores judias de toda Espa~a. Se venden en muchas tiendas de la comarca 
>y este alimento tipico de Castilla-Leon se encuentra tambien en los menus 
>de cantidad de restaurantes de la zona.

	Consejos de gastronomia???
	Colega, tu no has estado en Asturies.
	Ten cuidado cuando te metas unas buenas fabes pa'l cuerpo 
	que tu eres de los que luego revientan!

>Les consejo a todos ustedes enterarse de la alegria que son estas judias.

	Comooorrrr???


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Does anyone know how to control pythium wilt that has attacked tomatoes in hydroponic troughs


From SAEW05A@prodigy.com Wed Jun  7 00:10:56 EDT 1995
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From: SAEW05A@prodigy.com (Michael Haynes)
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as someone with 400 trees,i can tell you my experience is that a fall 
spray after leaf drop with kocide 101 and again right before bud swell in 
the spring also with kocide 101 will give you a highly effective control 
of leaf curl.
-
  MICHAEL HAYNES  SAEW05A@prodigy.com




From marketfarm@aol.com Wed Jun  7 23:24:30 EDT 1995
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The Outrider News Service will begin publishing FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE
(tm) this month with distribution on the Web, Usenet, select mailing
lists, e-mail, fax and surface mail. As publisher for this venture, I am
looking for gardeners and
small farmers with products to offer farm-direct on the Internet

Gardeners who would like to try a test listing free of charge should send
an e-mail request for further details to MARKETFARM@aol.com.

Michael Hofferber

++++++++++++++++++++++
FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE
Box 277			     
Shoshone, ID 83352-0277	 
fax (208) 886-7602		 
e-mail marketfarm@aol.com  
++++++++++++++++++++++


From paddo@netinfo.com.au Thu Jun  8 14:40:56 EDT 1995
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From: paddo@netinfo.com.au (Paddo)
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In article <D95CB9.J0D@magi.com>, cid@magi.com says...
>
>myrtle@uclink.berkeley.edu (Alexis Belinda Dinno) wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey these things are yummy indeed.  I saved the seeds from some 
>> organically grown starfruit, but haven't been able to get them to sprout 
>> or anything.  What kind of plant to they grow on and what kind of 
climate 
>> do they generally require?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you so much!!
>> 
They are a tropical plant, grown in Australia frm the Sunshine Coast, north 
to Darwin.

The tree/shrub is kept to three metres in commercial orchards.

Ive seen larger tree in homes.  I've never been able to get the seed to 
sprout, perhaps your dept. of agriculture or the dept of Ag in Florida or 
Texas might help.

Some Australian growers are processing the excess fruit into a delicious 
thirst quencher.

ciao



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Test


From Sebastian@mail.utexas.edu Thu Jun  8 14:41:00 EDT 1995
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u (Mark Shneyder 2-4219) says:

>I need to collect some info on a banana growing/distribution business.
>Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Try the trade magazines at your nearest University or College. If there

is an agricultural University near by, then that is better.

					Sebastian Rossi

					Sebastian@mail.utexas.edu


From pearfarm@aol.com Fri Jun  9 13:18:24 EDT 1995
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Michael,

Please send me some more information about Farmer's Market online.
Bob Chrisman
bobch@gorge.net
(http://www.gorge.net/business/pears/)


From dansoft@netvision.net.il Fri Jun  9 13:18:25 EDT 1995
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From: "M. Shalev" <dansoft@netvision.net.il>
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We are an Israeli based Software Firm that produces TQM (Total Quality 
Management) software for the farming sector.   Our comprehensive farm 
management systems are in use for over five years by the majority of large 
farming cooperatives here that use it to run their day to day operations and to 
plan future investments and priorities.   The DANSOFT farm management systems 
contain modules to manage irrigation, fertigation, harvesting, packing, 
shipping, farm salaries, etc., and even the management of farm experiments.   
The software comes in two versions:  one oriented for orchard and the other for 
field crop farms.   It is user-friendly software though given its size there is 
a learning curve of several days till the user is comfortable with the 
software.

We have just now finished translating the software to English and to Spanish 
and are looking for distributors that sell to the farm market.   Preferably, 
the distributor will have country wide marketing channels as well the technical 
capability to sell and support a large software package.

For our part we will provide comprehensive training and support to our 
distributors.   We have a training facility at our headquarters which is in 
Rehovot (just south of Lod, the location of the International Airport handling 
most incoming air traffic).  For qualified firms, this is a unique opportunity 
to market a product that has over 5 years use in the "field" and is being used 
to manage multi-million dollar farm organizations..

Interested firms can introduce themselves via email, fax, postal service or 
phone.  We will attempt to apply to all queries.

M. Shalev
Marketing Manager
DANSOFT Ltd.
email: dansoft@netvision.net.il
Phone: 972-8-492031
Fax:   972-8-492595
Address:  Ussishkin 13, Rehvot,Israel 76502




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In article <D95F75.Mt2@indirect.com>, liebsch@bud.indirect.com (William
Liebsch) wrote:

> *******************************BIOSCAN-1**************************************
> -------------You wear it in the waist band of your underwear-----------------
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If I had been present at creation I would have given some useful hints.    -    Alfonso the Wise


From azeta@aol.com Sun Jun 11 22:54:50 EDT 1995
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You'll get the latest information on changes impacting your business and
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From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jun 11 22:54:52 EDT 1995
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Increase risks for misusers, reduce them for bees.

    Many orchardist forget their beekeeper after pollination is
accomplished
- until he is needed again the following spring.  Meanwhile, he may be
fighting for survival from one pesticide hit after another, often these
are
caused by his neighbors, the fruit growers, who most need him, although
misuse on other crops, and mosquito and gypsy moth programs that ignore
label
directions can also cause hits.  

    Good orchard floor management is crucial to maintenance of pollinator
populations.  In apple orchards the most hazardous time of the year for
bees
is now approaching, with clover beginning to bloom in southern locations,
and
not far off in northern ones.

    Broad spectrum insecticide applications on blooming clover and other
weeds attractive to bees in orchard floors have been a major factor in bee
losses, making beekeeping unprofitable, and driving some beekeepers out of
business.  It has also decimated some wild non-Apis pollinator
populations.

   Poor honey markets of the past few years have temporarily helped
orchardists, because many beekeepers have turned to pollination to
supplement
or even provide a majority of their income.  But they cannot survive, if
they
cannot keep the bees alive.  Each year there are fewer and fewer bees
available.

   Mites and other factors have also reduced the supply.  However, each
problem that faces the beekeeper today can be met by becoming a better
beekeeper or better businessman, EXCEPT the problem of pesticide MISuse,
which is in the hands of the pesticide applicators, those who advise them,
and those who enforce pesticide laws.

    A South Carolina peach orchard has already provided a $1500 hit on a
local beekeeper. An official investigation is not yet done but the
probable
cause is Penncap M (trademark), applied in violation of label directions
on a
lush mustard bloom on the orchard floor. I also observed a suspected
violation of this type.

    It is crucial that fruit growers take a hard look at the orchard floor
prior to insecticide applications to see if there is any clover, mustard,
wild mints, or other blooming weed that is attractive to bees.  In some
cases
a temporary removal of bloom immediately prior to application by mowing is
possible.  It is however a long term problem, and herbicide control of
these
bee-attractive plants is the only long term solution.

   If the material is hazardous to bees, the label will so state under
Environmental Hazards, and prohibit application while bees are foraging.
Some
non-residual materials (look at the label directions to see if the only
reference is to toxicicty by direct contact) could be legally and safely
used
during the hours bees are not foraging.  Some kind of monitoring would be
necessary to identify a safe and legal time for the application. Other
materials have residual effects (again look at the directions) and since
bees
will forage within the residual life of the pesticide, bloom removal is
required for compliance.

   Beekeepers are becoming aware of the legal protection given to the
foraging bee (yes, she has the legal right-of-way, if the label says so)
and
are becoming more active to seek enforcement.  Some, like myself, who have
been afraid of repercussions, in the past have seen that the business is
now
impossible anyway with the current level of losses, so have decided to
report
ALL violations and bee kills.

   Last year a New York beekeeper settled out of court for an undisclosed
sum
>from  an applicator who was under threat of a citation and possible
certification loss for violations on blooming sweet corn, and other
vegetables.
 
    Some volunteer beekeepers will be organizing beekeepers' neighborhood
watches to monitor pesticide applications to see if they comply with label
directions that protect bees.



The optimist sees things as he wishes them to be.  He lives in a rosy
dream
world.
The pessimist sees things as he fears.  He's as sour as a year-old pickle.
The realist sees things as they are.  He rejoices in the good, and combats
the evil.

Pollinator@aol.com                                   Dave Green
Dave's Pollination Service         Eastern Pollinator Newsletter
PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC    29554


From YSTV04A@prodigy.com Sun Jun 11 22:54:53 EDT 1995
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Upon assuming the Office of President, William Clinton signed the Global 
Biodiversity Assessment, an agreement signed by 37 other nations, 
pledging to conserve the Biodiversity of planet Earth. This agreement 
identifies over 37,000 areas, some over 1 million acres in size, that are 
to be set aside as Ecosystems.  Human activity in these Ecosystems will 
be severely restircted or eliminated altogther.
The U.S. committment to the pledge is the "Wildlands Project", being 
admimnistered by the Dept. of the Interior. This project specifies that 
over 50% of currently held private property in the U.S. will be place 
under government administration through the regulatory process. The 
aforementioned private property wil fall into one of the following 
catagories:
1. Strict Nature Preserve
2. National Park
3. National Monument/Natural Landscape
4. Managed Reserve/Wildlife Sanctury
5. Protected Landscape/seascape

Through the Freedom of Information Act we have been able to determine the 
exact location of private property targeted for government acquisition 
through regulation. If you own property and are interested in knowing if 
the government intends to convert your property into one of the 
aforementioned catagories, leave your name and E-mail address in my E-
mail box. If you have a FAX, leave me the number and I'll FAX you 
additional information.

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I would like information sent to me.  I have six roadside produce stands 
in the Washington D.C area, and could be marvelous for my business. E-
mail me at RJJB46A@prodigy.  Thank you.-Jeff Norman



From demitrio@netcom.com Wed Jun 21 23:02:15 EDT 1995
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In article <sharvy.803524850@gladstone>,
Peter Benjamin Sharvy <sharvy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote:

| tonyb@interport.net (Tony Brower) writes:
| 
| >I live in New York.  If I want to buy tomatoes that have any real taste I 
| >have to either buy them imported from Holland or Israel, or domestic cherry 
| >tomatoes, or, during the summer, buy hydroponic tomatoes (sometimes sold at a 
| >local farmers market).
| >I think it's pretty pathetic that in this giant country you can't buy a 
| >decent tasting regular-sized tomato.
| 
| Since you can buy tasty tomatoes in summer (and possibly grow them 
| yourself?), your only gripe is that you can't get them when it isn't 
| natural for them to grow in your area anyway, i.e., in winter. Why not 
| tailor your wants to the nature of your local environment? It is
| unreasonable to demand fresh tomatoes in winter in New York.

Don't live in New York, do you?  Nothing is "unreasonable
to demand" here -- if it exists in the world, you can
buy it on the streets of New York, legally or il-.  Ency-
clopedic capitalism *is* our local environment.

Tony -- have you tried Gourmet Garage?





~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                          demitrio@netcom.com




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Tony,
	Not only are the damn things as tasteless as cardboard, they lack
any semblance of nutritional value as well.   Commercial growers and 
marketers are interested in shelf life, appearance, handling, and profit.
Since most consumers are cost conscious, you will probably continue to 
see "pseudo-tomatoes" in your local supermarket.  

Scotty
 
On 18 Jun 1995, Tony Brower wrote:

(snip)> 
> I hope that one day someone will figure out how to make a lot of money by 
> marketing a delicious domestically grown tomato for half that price.
> 
> Tony Brower
> ___________________________
> ???????????????????????????
> 
> 

gscott@efn.org      ----------Towards extinction or towards the stars?  
                                 Which would YOU choose?



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I live in New York.  If I want to buy tomatoes that have any real taste I 
have to either buy them imported from Holland or Israel, or domestic cherry 
tomatoes, or, during the summer, buy hydroponic tomatoes (sometimes sold at a 
local farmers market).
I think it's pretty pathetic that in this giant country you can't buy a 
decent tasting regular-sized tomato.

Right now it's June and local Korean greengrocers are chatrging $2.99 a 
pound for imported tomatoes.

I hope that one day someone will figure out how to make a lot of money by 
marketing a delicious domestically grown tomato for half that price.

Tony Brower
___________________________
???????????????????????????


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Because they're picked before they're ripe.  This makes them good and
hard so they don't break much duing shipping.  Never mind that they
will never receive the additional sugars that vine ripened tomatoes
do.  It would kill them to come up with better packaging so that ripe
tomatoes could be shipped.



From mcnichols@aol.com Wed Jun 21 23:02:19 EDT 1995
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Dear Tony 
 
   > Why aren't tasty tomatoes grown commercially in the US?

They are grown in the US, but a function of tasty tomatoes is that they
don't keep.  

That's what the Calgene "FlavrSavr" tomato is about - allow ripe tomatoes
to keep  long enough to ship. 

We get them here in the San Joaquin Valley (Stockton - Sacramento) in
season and they're often cheap - but vine ripened tomatoes don't keep. 

Mary 


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tonyb@interport.net (Tony Brower) writes:

>I live in New York.  If I want to buy tomatoes that have any real taste I 
>have to either buy them imported from Holland or Israel, or domestic cherry 
>tomatoes, or, during the summer, buy hydroponic tomatoes (sometimes sold at a 
>local farmers market).
>I think it's pretty pathetic that in this giant country you can't buy a 
>decent tasting regular-sized tomato.

Since you can buy tasty tomatoes in summer (and possibly grow them 
yourself?), your only gripe is that you can't get them when it isn't 
natural for them to grow in your area anyway, i.e., in winter. Why not 
tailor your wants to the nature of your local environment? It is
unreasonable to demand fresh tomatoes in winter in New York.
-- 
DEFINITIONS
Dumb Bird.  An entity incapable of surviving without old growth forest.
Logger.  A kind of dumb bird.


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Most markets have a range of tomatoes available most of the time:  
green-gassed ones at cheap prices, imported or glasshouse "vine ripe"
tomatoes, cherry tomatoes, romas, local vine-ripes in the summer, and 
now sometimes Flavr Saver or other genetically engineered tomatoes 
which are vine ripened yet retain some
shipping tolerance.  You pays your money and you takes your choice.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect the cheapest to have the same
qualities as the most expensive.  Also, the poster who distainfully
mentioned that all of the producers of all of these tomatoes are interested
in ``profit'' was correct.  Some of them don't make much, but they all try.
None is a charitable institution.
David



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Lots of people put them in the fridge as soon as they get them home, this 
prevents any ripenig at all.  I found quite a big improvement by letting 
them ripen at room or cellar temperature, buying them at different shades 
of ripeness and using them as they get really good and ripe.  Like you 
have to do with pears.  The paste tomatoes have more taste too, and 
plenty of moisture for my liking.     Good eating! 


From hollima@mail.auburn.edu Wed Jun 21 23:02:23 EDT 1995
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This year, for the first time, we had a Peach on our peach
tree.  But most of fruits have light brown fugus like spots.
If left it, it's grow to whole fruits and even the branch will
be killed.  What is this?  And How to treat it?

I'm in South East Alabama.

Thanks very much.

Machiko Hollifield
hollima@mail.auburn.edu

Auburn University, Network Support


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In article <Molsen-1906951848230001@s154.phxslip4.indirect.com>, Molsen@indirect.com says:

>evolution is changing

  Yes, it is.

  I've grown a tail.

Flaagg MHM 9x2 (hey flaagg nice butt)


From cfalk@nmsu.edu Fri Jun 23 23:03:24 EDT 1995
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I don't eat tomatoes when they are out of season. I grow them in our long 
summers, and freeze the excess in the form of tomato soup. Growing some 
of your own food is a way to quitting blaming the "system" and taking 
charge of your health. For those with short summers, a cold frame can be 
constructed relatively cheaply, and south facing windows also work. 
Connie



From randyw@wolfe.net Fri Jun 23 23:03:26 EDT 1995
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>I think it's pretty pathetic that in this giant country you can't buy a 
>decent tasting regular-sized tomato.

	It is my understanding that most U.S. tomatoes are now mechanically
harvested.  In order to machine harvest a tomato, it must still be very
firm, green and immature or else the fruit will break apart in the process.
Since tomatoes do not develop much flavor and little color after picking,
what we are left with is a slightly red, undersized, underripe, nearly
tasteless piece of produce.  If you want a good tomatoe and do not have
access to roadside produce stands, you'll have to grow your own.
	This same phenonemon is true with pineapples.  There is nothing as good as
a pineapple picked in the field at peak ripeness.  However, grocery stores
on the mainland demand more shelf life from their pineapples.  Therefore,
they are harvested underripe and shipped over here from Hawaii or where
ever.  The stores get their shelf life but the customers get a fruit with
grossly underdeveloped flavor.
	There are many more examples which could be given.  But I must agree with
you.  The greatest loss is in the mechanically harvested tomato.
--
>>>===> Randy or Verda Wilkinson; Yakima, WA   randyw@wolfe.net <===<<<
                     http://www.wolfe.net/~randyw
            (...with all thy getting, get understanding)



From tonyb@interport.net Fri Jun 23 23:03:27 EDT 1995
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From: tonyb@interport.net (Tony Brower)
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>Aha come-on Randall and friends, give us a break, most of the tomatoes
>produced on the farm and sold at retail are very good or we would not be
>producing them year after year. These are not the same as the tomatoes
>we produce for canning and have good flavor. The problem is that we all
>want nice red ripe tomatoes year around and the weather does not always
>co-operate so hard pinks are packed for long distance markets. People
>who want to kid themselves that high price imported tomatoes are better
>then local are doing just that, kidding themselves. Heck it's not
>uncommon for California growers and/or packers to go to South America or
>Israel to help them set up tomato farm's and packing sheds and they
>all come here sooner or later. We share the same seed, and sometime's
>sleep in the same beds, so to speak, or at least share the same markets.
>
>Most fresh market tomatoes are still picked by hand. They can not be
>"green", but are pink and do ripen post harvest. They are not tasteless
>but do have less acid then some of the older and home grown verities.
>
>Nothing wrong at all with growing your own, and very few vines will
>keep most in tomatoes over an extended period of time until frost does
>em in. I like the old Beef stake verities myself. Let us know when they
>are ready to pick.<G>
>                             ttul Andy-


Well maybe it's not the fault of the small farmers, but if you visit a 
supermarket in New York now you'll find that 99% of the tomatoes available 
are tasteless.  

Perhaps the big agribusiness are turning out tons of garbage 
product at the right price for the supermarket managers and the consumers' 
taste-buds have been dulled by the steadily decreasing taste of the 
vegetables.  

Don't take my word for it.  Go into a supermarket or a 
greengrocer.  The only choice in this neighborhood is imported tomatoes if 
you want any taste.





Tony Brower
___________________________
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The National Watermelon Promotion Board, a non-profit organization of
watermelon growers, handlers and importers based in Orlando, FL, has a
variety of free informational materials about watermelon available,
including brochures, posters, fact sheets and other items.
For more information, please contact the board at (407) 895-5100 or
send message via e-mail.
 



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Hi, 

I grow about 25 acres of peaches in Connecticut. I would disregard the
advice about trying to control your fungus problem with oil. The only
thing oil is good for is insect control, more specifically mites and scale
although it might also suffocate other overwintering insects and eggs
present on the trees.

The major fungus disease which affects peaches and other stone fruits is
brown rot. Infection can begin as soon as the blossoms open in the spring.
It is spread by spores which are ejected from fruiting bodies present in
old fruit mummies in the orchard. If you have not applied a fungicide
after blossoms are open and before a wet period You will have problems.
Brown Rot can infect the wood in severe cases and if it has infected the
wood in your trees I would recommend that you remove the affected
branches. It will continue to spread from the wood making control
difficult. Early season infections cause  blasting of blossoms (they will
appear brown and gummy) and infection of the wood.
I would recommend Bravo or Lime-Sulfur as fungicide choices for early
season.

During the middle of the season if conditions are relatively hot and dry
you can back off a little, but the disease becomes destructive again at
harvest in the fruit rot stage. It is critical to maintain a good
fungicide cover at this stage. If you  are at the harvest stage, and are
experiencing fruit rot, the best you can hope for is to prevent spread to
uninfected fruits. Recommended fungicides for control at this stage are
Orbit or Rovral. 

If you are trying to stay organic you can use sulfur, but under heavy
disease conditions, I wouldn't expect too much.

Good Luck, 

Jon


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Can anyone provide me with a lead for sourcing a shop manuaal and parts 
list for a Ford 8N tractor?

Cheers,

Norm Guilbert
1103 Moncton Avenue
Winnipeg, MB, Canada
R2K 1Z4
204-667-3364
<quilbert@minet.gov.mb.ca>


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FARMER'S
MARKET
ONLINE
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	Greetings! Welcome to the alt.agriculture.fruit edition of
Farmer's Market Online (tm), your weekly guide to marketing farm-direct
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world. On the following pages you will find:
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	* Tracking Shipments on WWW
	* Book Review: County Fair Cookbook

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	Our bias in these pages is in favor of the small-scale,
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In article <3s6573$211@yama.mcc.ac.uk>, you@somehost.somedomain says...
>
>Hmmmmmmmm pearsss!!!!
>
Hmmmmmmmm tree-ripened mangos



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I had a sago plant that I got through the mail - a tiny one that I gave 
plenty of light and just enough water. It put out one new frond and then 
died! Or-maybe it's dormant, but...I'm not sure if this is a regular 
Cycad phase or what.




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>> taylor your wants to your local environment ... eco-stuff...

Why not can the fresh tomatoes - thats got to be better than
paying for mystery tomatoes in someone else's steel can.
Yeah, I know, usless for salads, but good for pasta.

-P

--


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From: topsoil@aol.com (Topsoil)
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Hello,

I realize it's not "on the net," but have you checked into the _Kiwifruit
Enthusiasts Journal_?  This is an excellent publication available from
Friends of the Trees Society, P.O. Box 1064, Tonasket, WA  98855.  A
single copy of the most recent issue (192 pp.) is about $18.00

-E Johnson


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In <3s2t7c$4ui@park.interport.net>, tonyb@interport.net (Tony Brower) writes:
>Well maybe it's not the fault of the small farmers, but if you visit a 
>supermarket in New York now you'll find that 99% of the tomatoes available 
>are tasteless.  

I'm just wondering if there are any farms close to the New York area that
grow tomatoes?  If not then it's no wonder you get tasteless tomatoes in
New York.  Maybe you should consider growing your own tomatoes?

>Perhaps the big agribusiness are turning out tons of garbage 
>product at the right price for the supermarket managers and the consumers' 
>taste-buds have been dulled by the steadily decreasing taste of the 
>vegetables.  

I work in the food service industry with a company that supplies produce
to hotels and restaurants and when produce is brought in they're usually
brought in while they're in the 'green stage'.  In the case of tomatoes they
are trucked in from Mexico, California and Florida and always come in
green.  I'm sure you understand that if they were trucked up here (Vancouver,
Canada) while they were ripe or even just pink the fruit would be all mush
by the time it reaches its destination.  The only chance in ever getting a
product that is ripe would be if it came in locally and that would mean
something grown indoors, which usually cost more than something grown in
a field.




From platteen@reach.com Sun Jun 25 12:06:10 EDT 1995
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From: platteen@reach.com (Pip Latteen)
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Try U. of I. in Champaign, Illinois, Dept. of Ag.  I seem to remember seeing 
something in their journal within the last year.  I don't recollect if it was 
specifically if it was all purpose or specialized.  If I run across it, I'll 
post.


From dharper@biddeford.com Sun Jun 25 12:06:10 EDT 1995
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From: Don Harper <dharper@biddeford.com>
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If you have any raspberry questions and have access to the net the
go to http://www.biddeford.co./~dtaylor/ww/ww1.html
If you cannot access the web pages then send e-mail and I will send
the Raspberry FAQ file.  
If you have any specific questions not answered, please feel free to
drop a line anytime.
Dr.Razbry


From sharvy@gladstone.uoregon.edu Sun Jun 25 12:06:11 EDT 1995
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From: sharvy@gladstone.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy)
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Date: 19 Jun 1995 16:01:11 -0700
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pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) writes:

>   We have a complete crop failure due to lack of pollination.  The bloom
>this year was the best yet, but the solitary bees I normally see were
>completely absent. We had honeybees, and a few did visit, but apparently
>were ineffective. Does feijoa need buzz pollination?

>   Soltary bees are almost completely absent in the cotton growing areas
>this year, and bumblebees are very rare (pesticide misuse???)  I got out
>of the cotton area the other day, looked at some blooming melons, and
>spotted five different types of solitary bees in one minute.

You're talking about the pineapple guava, right? It's my understanding 
that most cultivars are self-fertile, and so easily pollinated by wind. 
Is this incorrect? One reason I ask is that I planted one in my yard last 
year.
-- 
DEFINITIONS
Dumb Bird.  An entity incapable of surviving without old growth forest.
Logger.  A kind of dumb bird.


From randyw@wolfe.net Sun Jun 25 12:06:12 EDT 1995
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From: randyw@wolfe.net (Randall F Wilkinson)
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Subject: Re: Why aren't tasty tomatoes grown commercially in the US?
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lcalhoun@utkvx.utk.edu wrote:
>Actually, if they picked them before they're "ripe", they'd never turn color. 
>They can even advertise "vine ripened" because if picked at stage 1
>(green, star stage), they will eventually turn red.

If you have noticed, many produce departments use red-tinted lighting over
the tomato section.



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From: randyw@wolfe.net (Randall F Wilkinson)
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George Scott <gscott@efn.org> wrote:

>Tony,
>	Not only are the damn things as tasteless as cardboard, they lack
>any semblance of nutritional value as well.

Tasteless, yes.  Without a semblance of nutritional value, far from it.
Probably higher in Vit. C and lower in sugar.  Mineral content would be
about the same as fully ripened tomatoes.  Taste and nutritional value
don't always go hand in hand.



From mcti2eag@stud.umist.ac.uk Sun Jun 25 12:06:14 EDT 1995
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Hmmmmmmmm pearsss!!!!



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I don't buy tomatoes in the supermarkets anymore. I have better luck at 
the Union Square market, and with the tomato plants that are growing on 
my windowsill here in NYC.
8 tomatoes imported from Israel at Dean & Deluca = $10.25!!!!!!!!!!!




From apan@hk.linkage.net Sun Jun 25 12:06:16 EDT 1995
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From: apan@hk.linkage.net (Pan)
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I'm looking for information on the optimum conditions for slowing down
respiration in pears, cherries and grapes for container transportation.
Can anyone please point me in the right direction?

Many thanks, Pan


From VQDH21A@prodigy.com Sun Jun 25 12:06:17 EDT 1995
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From: VQDH21A@prodigy.com (Shaun Smith)
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Subject: FAST CASH
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Dear Friend:

My name is Dave Rhodes.  In September 1988 my car was repossessed and the 
bill collectors were hounding me like you  wouldn't believe.  I was laid 
off and my unemployment checks  had run out.  The only escape I had from 
the pressures of failure was my computer and my modem.  I longed to turn 
my avocation into my vocation.

In January 1989 my family and I went on a ten day cruise to the tropics.  
I bought a brand new Lincoln Town Car with CASH in February 1989.  I am 
currently building a new home on the west coast of Florida, with a 
private pool, boat slip, an a beautiful view of the bay from my breakfast 
room table and patio.  I will never have to work again.  Today I am 
RICH!

I have earned over $400,000.00 (Four Hundred Thousand Dollars) to date 
and will become a millionaire within 4 or 5 months.  Anyone can do the 
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Best of all, you never have to leave home except to go to your mailbox or 
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how I could earn $50,000.00 or more whenever I wanted.  I was naturally 
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It's funny though, when you are desperate, backed into a corner, your 
mind does crazy things.  I spent a frustrating day looking through the 
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That night I tried to unwind by booting up my computer and calling 
several bulletin boards.  I read several of the messages posted and then 
glanced at the letter laying next to the computer.  All at once it became 
clear to me.  I now had the key to my dreams. 

I realized that with the power of the computer I could expand and enhance 
this money making formula into the most unbelievable cash flow generator 
that has ever been created.  I substituted the computer bulletin boards 
in place of the post office and electronically did by computer what 
others were doing by mail.  Now only a few letters are mailed manually.  
Most of the hard work is speedily downloaded to other bulletin boards 
throughout the world.  If you believe that someday you deserve that lucky 
break that you have waited for all of your life, simply follow the easy 
instructions below. Your dreams WILL come true.

Sincerely yours,


Dave Rhodes


**INSTRUCTIONS**

Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you will have 
received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours.  This program has remained 
successful because of the HONESTY and integrity of the participants.  
Please continue its success by CAREFULLY ADHERING to the
instructions.

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quality lists.  (The money made from the mailing lists is secondary to 
the income which is made from people like yourself requesting that they 
be included in that list.)

[1]     Immediately mail $1.00 to the first 5 names listed below, 
starting at number 1 through number 5.  SEND CASH ONLY. (Total 
investment: $5.00) Enclose a note with each letter stating: "Please add 
my name to your mailing list".  Include your name and mailing address.  
(This is a legitimate service that you are requesting and you are paying 
$1.00  for this service.)
[2]     Remove the name that appears as number 1 on the list.  Move the 
other 9 names up one position (Number 2 becomes number 1, number 3 
becomes number 2, and so on).  Place your name, address, and zip code in 
the number 10 position.
[3]     With your name in the number 10 position, upload this ENTIRE file 
to 10 (ten) different bulletin boards.  You may post it to the BBS's 
message base or to the file section.   Name it FASTCASH.TXT, and use the 
file description comments to draw attention to this file and its great 
potential for all of us.
[4]     Within 60 days you will receive over $50,000.00 in CASH.  Keep a 
copy of this file for yourself so that you can use it again and again 
whenever you need money.  As soon as you mail out these letters you are 
automatically in the mail order business.  People will be sending YOU $1.
00 to be placed on your mailing list.

This list can then be rented to a broker that can be found in your local 
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will become more valuable as it grows in size.

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If you have any doubts as to the legality of this service, please refer 
to Title 18, Sections 1302 and 1341 of the Postal Lottery Laws.

NOTE:  Make sure that you retain EVERY name and address sent to you, 
either on computer or hard copy, but do not discard the names and notes 
that people send to you.  This is PROOF that you are truly providing a 
service, and should the I.R.S. or some other government agency question 
you, you can provide them with this proof!

Remember, as each post is downloaded and the instructions carefully 
followed, five members will be reimbursed for their participation as a 
List Developer with $1.00 each. Your name will move up the list 
geometrically so that when your name reaches the number 5 position you 
will be receiving thousands of dollars in cash.

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PLEASE BE HONORABLE...IT DOES WORK!  THANK YOU.

-1-	
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16941 Kirk view Dr.
Haciena Heights, CA. 91745

-2-
Colin Hanrahan
127 Cottage Grove Avenue SE
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52403
USA

-3-
Michael Shawnasee
62 Vley Road
Scotia, NY  12302

-4-
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13652 Freeport Rd.
San Diego, CA 92129-3211
USA

-5-
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11577 Duncan Plains Rd.
Johnstown, Ohio 43031

-6-
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209 Walden Street
West Hartford, CT 06107-1744
USA

-7-
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324 Daniel Street
Dover, New Jersey 07801
USA

-8-
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514 N 400 East #4
Provo, UT 84606
USA

-9-
Lenny Melo
23 Nikki Lane
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada, R2P 2K1

-10-
Shaun Smith
PO Box 2339
Schenectady, NY 12302-2134



The  following letter was written by a participating member in this 
program. 
**************************************************************************
**
To those with the COMMON sense to participate in this easy money 
opportunity:

About six months ago I received the enclosed post in letter form.  I 
ignored it.  I received about five more of the same letter within the 
next two week.   I ignored them also.  Of course, I was tempted to follow 
through and dreamed of making thousands, but I was convinced it was just 
another gimmick and could not possibly work.

I was wrong!  About three weeks later I saw this same letter posted on a 
local bulletin board in Montreal.  I liked the idea of giving it a try 
with my computer.  I didn't expect much because I figured, if other 
people were as skeptical as I, they would not be too quick to part with 
$5.00. But, I BUY LOTTERY TICKETS WEEKLY IN MY PROVINCE AND HAVE NOTHING 
TO SHOW FOR IT BUT TICKET STUBS!

This week I decided to look at this as my weekly lottery purchase.  I 
addressed the envelopes and mailed out $1.00 in each as directed.  Two 
weeks went by and I didn't receive anything in the mail.  The fourth week 
rolled around and I couldn't believe what happened!  I can not say that I 
received $50,000.00, but it was definitely well over $35,000.00!  For the 
first time in 10 years I got out of debt.  It was great.  Of course, it 
did not take me long to go through my earnings, so I am using this 
excellent money making opportunity once again.  FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS 
AND GET READY TO ENJOY!

Please send a copy of this letter along with the enclosed letter so 
together we can convince people who are skeptical that this really does 
work! 
Good Luck,


Charles Kust
St Agathe, Que.


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made quite a profit...not 50,000 dollars, but TONS more than the 5 bucks 
I sent in.   It might take more than 60 days to get 50,000, but I think I 
can wait.

Danny Wood

"All you need is a dollar and a dream."  - NY Lottery advertisement.  
HUH!  NO, all you need is five one dollar bills, five stamps, and five 
envelopes, and thousands upon thousands of people who follow the rules of 
this content.  No dream here but the American one.  This really does 
work!




From gregbt624@aol.com Fri Jul 14 01:13:22 EDT 1995
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From: gregbt624@aol.com (Greg BT624)
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Subject: Seeking produce brokerage position in Pacific Northwest
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I am currently seeking employment in the produce brokerage business.  I
have over 20 years experience in the wholesale and retail produce trade. 
I have a current customer base of many well known companies nationally and
internationally.  If interested, please e-mail me at:  gregbt624@aol.com
Or:
Greg Tompkins
5405 Broomhead Road
Williamsburg, MI  49690
(616) 267-9414


From matth40450@aol.com Fri Jul 14 01:13:24 EDT 1995
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From: matth40450@aol.com (Matth40450)
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Subject: Re: Deer damage to fruit trees
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I grow apples commercially in the state of Washington.  We also have
problems with deer eating the newly planted trees.  The only solution we
have found (You'll think we're crazy, but it works) is to drill holes in
very fragrant bar soap (Coast, Irish Spring, etc.) then hang the bars on
the perimeter about every third tree.  The deer dislike the human smell
that the soap gives off after it has been irrigated.  This should keep
them away for a few weeks until they figure out which trees don't have the
bars on them.  You might try hanging the bars on every tree on the edges,
that is to time consuming when we have blocks of thousands of trees!!
I hope this works as well for you as it has for us. 


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I'm interested. What is this stuff aand where do I get it??






From megpie@ripco.com Fri Jul 14 01:13:30 EDT 1995
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Can you please tell me where I can get plants to grow raspberries and 
strawberries.Will they grow in Chicago?


From joe@decoy.uoregon.edu Fri Jul 14 01:13:32 EDT 1995
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From: joe@decoy.uoregon.edu (Joe St Sauver)
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Subject: Re: Looking for fruit plants
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In article <DBL6uw.69@rci.ripco.com>, Megpie <megpie@ripco.com> wrote:
>Can you please tell me where I can get plants to grow raspberries and 
>strawberries.Will they grow in Chicago?

Raspberries and strawberries are extremely forgiving and should have 
no problem growing in Chicago.

While local nurseries can often provide advice about proven varieties
that are particularly well adapted to your area, if you want to try a 
mail order outfit you might want to consider:

   Northwoods Retail Nursery
   27635 S Oglesby Road
   Canby Oregon 97013
   503-266-5432

These are good guys and they produce a great catalog (60+ pps including
color -- I'd encourage you to enclose a couple of bucks to help defray
their cost of publication and mailing).

In their '95 catalog they offered eight types of raspberries, ten types
of blackberries, currants, gooseberries, huckleberries, serviceberries,
chokeberries, elderberries, lignonberries, cranberries, blueberries,
strawberries, etc.

I've got a "mild" case of berry fever (I've "only" got blackberries, 
raspberries, tayberries, currants, blueberries, strawberries, etc...), but 
this catalog could make my berry habbit *serious*. :-;

Regards and good luck with your berry patch,

Joe St Sauver (joe@oregon.uoregon.edu)

Disclaimer: no association with Northwoods (or Raintree Nursery, their
Washington State operation) except as a satisfied customer. 


From ribes60@aol.com Fri Jul 14 12:39:30 EDT 1995
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From: ribes60@aol.com (Ribes60)
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Please send your mailing address and I will send a copy of the newsletter
on currants and gooseberries, Our organization is The International Ribes
Assoc.

Ed Mashburn  (ribes60@aol.com)


From pascal.fuks@infoboard.be Tue Jul 25 00:26:23 EDT 1995
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From: Pascal Fuks <pascal.fuks@infoboard.be>
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habib@ksgbbs.harvard.edu (Habib Khan   M678x    ) wrote:
>______________________________________________________________________________
>If this is not the proper newsgroup for this article, sorry!
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>RE:  Net World Yellow Pages
>
>Hello,
>	I'm putting together "The Net-World Yellow Pages", which is a
>directory like your phone book, where people's e-mail & snail mail addreses
>are listed.  Also there are many FTP,WWW,Gopher, and Telnet addreses are
>listed.  With subjects ranging from Astronomy to Zambia, all that you could
>ever want is now just in onle book.  The directory is not yet completed, 
>since the I do not have all your you'r e-mail,FTP,WWW,Gopher,Telnet addreses.
>But now you can not only help contribute to this directory, but also be
>eligible to recieve a FREE trial copy of "The Net-World Yellow Pages".
>	Just reply to this message, and send me your complete e-mail
>address, and your full name.  Optional are your mailing address, phone #,
>fax #, though it would be nice to have the city and country you are in.
>	If you have an FTP/WWW/Gopher/Telnet address then send us the for
>it, and please inculde a brief description to what type of items are stored
>at your site.  If you run a newspaper/magazine/business/service/mailing list
>via internet then send us an e-mail telling us about it.  Please try to keep
>your e-mails between 50-100 words, thanks.
>	-Osman Khan

Pascal Fuks
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From eric@spherical.com Tue Jul 25 00:26:24 EDT 1995
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From: eric@pacificrim.net (Eric J Morris)
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Permaculture Design Course    August 6-20, 1995
A two-week intensive in sustainable systems design
Orcas Island San Juan Islands, Washington

Instructed by: 
Michael Pilarski
Founder:  Friends of the Trees Society. 
Joe Bullock, Sam Bullock, Doug Bullock  World-travelled horticulturists. +
Guest Speakers.

Course Topics:
* Permaculture methodology * Permaculture principles * Ethics  of
permaculture * Observation skills * Site analysis * Mapping * Tree crops *
Wildcrafting * Medicinal herbs * Organic gardening * Organic agriculture *
Agroforestry systems * Edible landscaping * Land trusts * Aquaculture *
Greenhouses * Erosion control * Sustainable forestry * Ecosystem
Restoration * Livestock and wildlife * Urban permaculture * Appropriate
energy * Village development * Networking & research * Intentional 
communities * Intgrated Pest Management * Working  in the Third World *
Formal and informal economies * and much more.

About Permaculture:
* Permaculture is the art of putting yourself in symbiotic relationship
with Gaia and with other people. * Permaculture is wedded to place, with
reliance on native plants, and a close eye on the ecosystem.  *
Permaculture is about self-reliance, growing food, and building creative,
beautiful, energy-efficient structures from local materials. *
Permaculture is multiple-story, agroforestry systems using tree crops,
shrubs, vines and herbaceous plants in symbiotic assemblages which are
highly productive. 

About the Course:
The main purpose of the course is to impart permaculture principles and
methodologies which can be applied anywhere in the world.  Through
lecture, discussion, observation, and hands-on experiential learning,
permaculture design students will develop the practical skills and
knowledge to design and implement sustainable  systems that are in
harmony  with the  natural world.  

Certification:
Course graduates will be certified as Permaculture Design Trainees, and
after two years experience will be eligible for Applied Permaculture
Design diplomas. 

Instructors:
Michael Pilarski is founder of Friends of the Trees Society (1978) and a
well-known permaculture educator, writer and networker.  Michael has been
practicing organic farming and gardening for 20 years and has taught in
the United States, British Columbia, Australia, Nepal, and Belize.   Joe
Bullock, Sam Bullock and Doug Bullock, world-travelled horticulturists,
have an encyclopedic knowledge of useful plants from tropical to
cold-temperate climates. They have been  developing their homestead for
over 13 years using permaculture principles.

Course Site & Facilities:
The seminar will be held at the homestead of the Bullock Brothers near
Deer Harbor on Orcas Island. The Bullock homestead has lots of examples of
permaculture design and implementation; with an incredible diversity of
fruits, edible ornamentals, native, rare, and unusual plants. It is one of
the premier permaculture sites in the PNW. The unique setting has many
micro-climates including south-facing, rocky hillsides, forest, and marsh.
   Rustic facilities include: classroom space in as converted greenhouse,
summer kitchen, sun showers, hot tubs, and fire circle. Three tasty,
wholesome meals a day will be provided, featuring local, organic food. 
Participants can bring a tent and camp out.  There is space for camper
vans. Local accomodations may be arranged.

Course Tuition:  
Tuition for the course is $750 to $650 self-set sliding scale. This
includes instruction, meals, curriculum materials, campsite, use of
facilities and a year subscription to The Permaculture Activist.  Several
partial scholarships are available to Third World or Native American
people. A $100 dollar deposit (non-refundable) is required with
registration. The remainder is due on or before August 6, 1995. Single day
attendance is possible at $50 per day. 

   The course will be preceded by  the Pacific Northwest Permaculture
Rendezvous on July 28-30. Course participants are invited to attend both
events and stay on for additional hands-on experience in the intervening
week. 

For details contact:  
Friends of the Trees, PO Box 4469, Bellingham, WA 98227  Phone/Fax:
360-738-4972  
or: Doug Bullock, Mike Lockman  PO Box 109, Deer Harbor, WA 98243
360-376-2071 (evenings) or Sam Bullock 360-376-2773 (evenings)


From zilwer@active.co.za Tue Jul 25 00:26:25 EDT 1995
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From: zilwer@active.co.za (Martin v.d.Heyden.)
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Subject: dwarf fruit trees
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I am looking for budwood / in vitro plant material of dwarf fruit trees.This 
is mainly for pome,stone and citrus but any other interesting fruit is welcome.
These can be genetic dwarfs,rootstock + cultivar. Also am looking for cherry
growing in temerate climate ( mediterranean ).
Thank you
Martin v.d.Heyden


From elbozo@aol.com Tue Jul 25 00:26:26 EDT 1995
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From: elbozo@aol.com (El Bozo)
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Subject: Exotic Oranges
Date: 21 Jul 1995 12:53:10 -0400
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  Hello, I am new to this newsgroup, and would like to ask if anyone 
knows:
What exactly is a Curacao orange?   Some call it a bitter orange, and some
call it a sour orange.  
  I would also like to know a source for it.  Any help/info would be
greatly appreciated.
**
PS-I am located in San Diego, Calif. so growing citrus should  present no
problem.

Thanks
**


From erawan@ilhawaii.net Tue Jul 25 00:26:27 EDT 1995
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From: erawan@ilhawaii.net (Robert Gowan)
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Subject: Marian Plum  'Maprang  Wan'
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I  am a tropical fruit grower in Hawaii interested in
communicating with other tropical fruit growers
that have or are growing Maprang (Thai name)
Boeua Burmanica or Indica ,a small fruit tree
and Mangifera fam. relative.
This is a favorite table /snack fruit in
Asia and is very delicious.
And a beautiful backyard evergreen tree
as well.
Anyone familiar?
I am having some success with seedlings
here in Hawaii.



From byrdman@teleport.com Tue Jul 25 00:26:29 EDT 1995
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If you read this I am assuming you are interested in Mexico?

Mexico Internet.... your link to Mexico, is about to come on line.
>From  importing to marketing. From business to travel. How-to to
how-not. The Mexico news to the Mexico exotic. You will need to set a
bookmark to the Mexico Internet. Learn how you can make the link!

Business or personal. News or markets. Products or services.
Agriculture, airlines, adoption and aliens. Everything! (Si, tiene
todo!) 

Send me email if you want the homepage address. AND, if you have a few
seconds, tell me why your interested.

Dr.J.G.Byrdman
byrdman@teleport.com




From PLacey@intr.net Tue Jul 25 00:26:30 EDT 1995
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Frieda's Finest, a fruit and vegetable purveyor in Los Angeles specializes in
this stuff.  Another possible source is J.L Honigberg in Chicago.

These folks are in the business of selling what you want.  If it exists, they
will knock themselves out trying to locate the fruit for you.  Also, remember that
 they are not neccesarilly in the business to help you grow it.  But they do want
to sell it.  Happy Hunting.



From VVK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU Tue Jul 25 00:26:31 EDT 1995
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>In article <3u8nso$ql8@shango.harvard.edu>, habib@ksgbbs.harvard.edu
>(Habib Khan   M678x    ) wrote:
>
 
[stuff deleted]
 
>>         -Osman Khan
 
Abdurahman ibn Hassab? :-))) Druzya, pomogite Hottabichu... :-))
 
Vlad.


From joel@ssd.intel.com Tue Jul 25 00:26:32 EDT 1995
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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Re: Phermones
Date: 20 Jul 1995 00:04:36 GMT
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In article <3uhbao$6o0@news.wco.com> mnelson@wco.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
>Joel Clark (joel@ssd.intel.com) wrote:
>
>: Then we visited a 200 acre Filbert Orchard where an Extension agent
>: spoke on the use of phermones in controlling orchard pests.
>: We went on to a 2000 tree apple orchard. 
>: Another speaker from private industry spoke on some trials 
>: of a phermone/pesticide mix.  This is applied as a couple of drops of
>: tar like substance per tree.
>
>My neighbor tried pheremone traps on his nectarine trees to stop "borers". 
>He doesn't use them anymore, because he thinks that the traps attracted
>too many insects that did not end up in the traps and resulted in more
>damage to the tree. 
>--
>Michael T. Nelson == Real-Time Controls == The Embedded Systems Specialists 

Notice I did not say anything about phermone traps.  In fact neither of
these two speaker would recommend phermones traps alone as a method of
"stopping" insect damage. The Extension agent did recommend phermone 
traps for monitoring when certain insects are present in the orchard.
This is usually used to tell when pesticides will be most effective.
Most of these listeners are trying to raise commercial crops of fruit and
deal with a constant annual presence of particular insects. Insects 
coming from other orchards represents a significant factor in an orchard
with annual control measures, but in an orchard with no control measures
migrating insects would be insignificant.  For example an orchard
with annual pesticide spray program might be experiencing a 5% damage 
rate of which a big portion is probably due to migrating insects, but
an orchard with no control measures would probably experience a 50%-75%
damage rate of which the majority is from overwintering insects.

He also discussed the pros and cons of trying to use phermones for
confusing male insects. This is usually tried by putting so many 
phermone sources in an orchard (many per tree) as to prevent the male
>from  ever finding a female.  There are several problems with this 
technique too.
The other speaker's subject was using a phermone/insecticide mix at
a rate of 2 or 3 spots per tree to kill any males attracted to the
phermones.  Both speakers explained that no phermone method did anything
for fertilized females that wander into the orchard and lay their eggs. 

My own experience with 4 apple trees would lead me to believe phermone
traps can provide some control of insect problems in this small sample.  
By putting two traps per tree and changing them every 4-6 weeks it appears 
we have reduced the damage rate from 80%-90% to 15%-20%.  This kind of
program would be very labor intensive in a large orchard, and the 15%-20%
damage rate might well eliminate any potential profit. Its pretty hard
to generalize as to the success or failure without understanding the
goals of the grower and the history of the orchard.

My filbert orchard had been controlled with annual pesticide spraying
when I first bought it.  The first year we owned it we did not spray
and only suffered 0.48% damage. Great Success!! Eh?  The next year
of no spray we suffered 5.1% damage.  The next year 19% damage. 
This year we are spraying.  This orchard is surrounded by controlled 
orchards on three sides and an abandonded orchard on the fourth side.
It clear reducing pest control will lead to greater damage.  
It would also seem overwintering insects eventually present a greater 
problem than insects that migrate in. And while phermone traps may be
a usefull tool, they have not been proven to be a satisfactory sole
remedy for a commercial grower. 

joel clark





From prem@pop.jaring.my Tue Jul 25 00:26:33 EDT 1995
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From: "M. Vijendran" <prem@pop.jaring.my>
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Subject: FRUIT FLIES
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I have a couple of mature Star-fruit trees at home in Malaysia and am 
frustrated with fruit-flies which damage practically all my fruits even 
if I wrap them when they are about 1" with plastic bags.
Will someone suggest a solution to this.



From luigicpa@aol.com Tue Jul 25 00:26:34 EDT 1995
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please let me know thanks ???


From marketfarm@aol.com Tue Jul 25 00:26:35 EDT 1995
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From ruffel@bonsmtp.ksc.nasa.gov Tue Jul 25 00:26:36 EDT 1995
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In article <173E3D23ES86.VVK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>, VVK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU says:
>
>>In article <3u8nso$ql8@shango.harvard.edu>, habib@ksgbbs.harvard.edu
>>(Habib Khan   M678x    ) wrote:
>>
> 
>[stuff deleted]
> 
>>>         -Osman Khan
> 
>Abdurahman ibn Hassab? :-))) Druzya, pomogite Hottabichu... :-))
> 
>Vlad.



what are you trying to say????


From randyw@wolfe.net Tue Jul 25 00:26:37 EDT 1995
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From: randyw@wolfe.net (Randall F Wilkinson)
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Subject: Any Durian grown in the US?
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 18:36:04 GMT
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Not many have heard of Durian fruit.  Those who have will never forget it.
Where's the closest it's grown?  Will it grow here?
--
     *====> Randy Wilkinson; Yakima, WA <====*
            http://www.wolfe.net/~randyw
   (...with all thy getting, get understanding)



From luis@track.physics.usfca.edu Tue Jul 25 00:26:39 EDT 1995
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ruffel (ruffel@bonsmtp.ksc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: In article <173E3D23ES86.VVK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>, VVK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU says:
: >
: >>In article <3u8nso$ql8@shango.harvard.edu>, habib@ksgbbs.harvard.edu
: >>(Habib Khan   M678x    ) wrote:
: >>
: > 
: >[stuff deleted]
: > 
: >>>         -Osman Khan
: > 
: >Abdurahman ibn Hassab? :-))) Druzya, pomogite Hottabichu... :-))
: > 
: >Vlad.

: what are you trying to say????

Seras gocho!!!! te lo repito 'Abdurahman ibn Hassab? :-))) Druzya, pomogite 
Hottabichu... :-))' no jueg' que le pasa a tu arabic???



From lefkios@aol.com Sun Jul 30 23:14:00 EDT 1995
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Well, how about 

Yob tvoiyu mat'!!!! 


From felixrod@digital.net Sun Jul 30 23:14:01 EDT 1995
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In article <3v4jou$chl@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lefkios@aol.com (Lefkios) says:
>
>Well, how about 
>
>Yob tvoiyu mat'!!!! 

Y la respuesta a esta en Puertorriquen~o es:
	LA TUYA QUE ES MI COMADRE!!!


P.S. - Acabo de leer "Cardinal of the Kremlin" de Tom Clancy, en la cual
sale la frasesita esa.... :)



From dasilva@umbc.edu Sun Jul 30 23:14:02 EDT 1995
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Hi, someone just responded to our request for information on the 
California Rare Fruit Growers in the list.  It was very valuable
information but I inadvertently failed to save the message.  Could
that thoughtful individual respond again so I can get it right
this time
Thanks.

David Schreiber		Vera da Silva
dasilva@umbc7.umbc.edu









From bjones@in.net Sun Jul 30 23:14:03 EDT 1995
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From: Bill Jones <bjones@in.net>
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Subject: Re: Filbert tree ban
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I grow gooseberries and your ribes example does make the point 
for me. However, if your neighbor drops an infected filbert in a 
hole and all yours die as a result, wouldn't that put a whole new 
spin on things?  Maybe the time is coming when you should fold up 
your tent and go where your filberts are still welcome. 



From joel@ssd.intel.com Sun Jul 30 23:14:04 EDT 1995
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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
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Subject: Re: Filbert tree ban
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In article <sharvy.806718792@ccserver> sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy) writes:
>joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:
>
>>In article <sharvy.806692900@ccserver> sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy) writes:
>
>>  But your argument against 
>>mono-culture techniques ignores the cost of capital, economies of scale,
>>and the reality of the world market for filberts.
>
>I think the problem is as follows: some governments "promote" economic 
>development, say, in the case of the filbert industry. Others do not. How 
>can those who wish to farm commerically do so successfully in those 
>countries which do not receive government subsidies or legal protection 
>when they must compete against the others? 

I don't know of any government subsidies for filbert farmers.  Do you?

>
>They probably can't, in the absence of protective tariffs. 

Protective tariffs are subject to political whims.  The US lowered tariffs
on Turkish filberts to help negotiate access to Turkish airfields (built 
with US dollars) during the Gulf War.
>>The cost of 
>>capital for commercial agriculture is tremendous and it is not reasonable
>>to expect a farmer to multiply his capital cost by several factors (in
>>equipment, land and plantings) to achieve the same poly cultural environment
>>of the backyard or hobby grower. 
>
>It is not reasonable to put all your eggs in one basket and then demand 
>other people's eggs when your basket tumbles.

I have not seen anything in this thread to indicate filbert farmers are
are demanding other peoples eggs.  I certainly have not made such demands.
Few farmers survive long in Oregon without cultivating various income
streams. My point in my previous post is that while poly-culture is a
better balanced method of growing, mono-culture is often more commercially
viable. 

>
>> A filbert farm will not reach full 
>>production in less than 20 years. Once in full production, nothing else
>>(other than grass) can be grown in the orchard. 
>
>Why not? There are food crops that fix their own nitrogen, and that grow 
>in partial shade. What about legumes?

Mature Filbert orchards have dense shade and are harvested by mowing and
leveling in August to create a smooth clean orchard floor and then sweeping 
up the nuts in October.  Cultivating other crops would make achieving this
smooth clean floor very difficult.


joel


From sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu Sun Jul 30 23:14:06 EDT 1995
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joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:

>In article <sharvy.806718792@ccserver> sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy) writes:

>>I think the problem is as follows: some governments "promote" economic 
>>development, say, in the case of the filbert industry. Others do not. How 
>>can those who wish to farm commerically do so successfully in those 
>>countries which do not receive government subsidies or legal protection 
>>when they must compete against the others? 

>I don't know of any government subsidies for filbert farmers.  Do you?

I said "subsisidies or legal protection," and the topic under discussion 
is whether it is proper to ban retail sales of filberts to protect 
commercial growing, which would count as the special legal protection, at 
the expense of others, to which I meant to refer.

>>It is not reasonable to put all your eggs in one basket and then demand 
>>other people's eggs when your basket tumbles.

>I have not seen anything in this thread to indicate filbert farmers are
>are demanding other peoples eggs.

They are demanding that only they be allowed, by law, to grow filberts. 
They are demanding that certain liberties be taken from everyone else to 
protect themselves.

>Few farmers survive long in Oregon without cultivating various income
>streams. My point in my previous post is that while poly-culture is a
>better balanced method of growing, mono-culture is often more commercially
>viable. 

If a monoculture is unstable to the point that it will require government 
subsidies or other forms of legal intervention, at the expense of other
people, to be sustainable, then it is not, in itself, viable. 
Additionally, when it puts other people's property at risk, as it does by 
increasing risk of disease by an order of magnitude, it may be fair game 
for legal action. Why exempt it from the general principle that  
activities which seriously threaten people's property are crimes?

-- 
DEFINITIONS
Dumb Bird.  An entity incapable of surviving without old growth.
Logger.  A kind of dumb bird.


From bdzeiler@students.wisc.edu Sun Jul 30 23:14:07 EDT 1995
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under40hrs@aol.com (UNDER40HRS) wrote:
>Hola!  Lived in Vallarta for 7 years and have family there and
>Guadalajara.
>Please send the address, would like to see what's out there.

Your newsgroups targeted for this post are the most random, 
non-associated group of newsgroups I've ever seen posted to.  What do 
airline schedules, adoption, fruit, and aliens have in common that would 
merit one single post to all newsgroups?  Just curious.

-- 
Brian Zeiler




From y-pisan@nwu.edu Sun Jul 30 23:14:08 EDT 1995
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This thread was posted to
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This thread has been going on for a while and it is not
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Please, please please let's keep the newsgroups as free of noise as possible

--
Yusuf Pisan
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From keithc@tas.for.csiro.au Sun Jul 30 23:14:09 EDT 1995
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Hello world


From larryc@teleport.com Sun Jul 30 23:14:11 EDT 1995
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From: larryc@teleport.com (Larry Caldwell)
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Subject: Re: Filbert tree ban
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In article <3vbuvm$ab8@news.ssd.intel.com>,
Joel Clark <joel@ssd.intel.com> wrote:

>I have not seen anything in this thread to indicate filbert farmers are
>are demanding other peoples eggs.  I certainly have not made such demands.
>Few farmers survive long in Oregon without cultivating various income
>streams. My point in my previous post is that while poly-culture is a
>better balanced method of growing, mono-culture is often more commercially
>viable. 

You might also point out that Oregons annual production of 30,000 tons 
constitutes 99% of the US domestic production.  That brings millions of 
dollars into Oregon's economy, which is a resource worth protecting.  A 
few diseased trees could jeopardize dozens of family farms and the 
livlihood of hundreds of people.

City dwellers don't seem to realize that agriculture and ranching annually 
produce three billion dollars in Oregon.  That's pure production, not 
product passing through like Port of Portland.  Thats the wealth of the 
land, and it supports us all.  

-- 
Larry Caldwell  larryc@teleport.com


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I am interested in any information on the planting of olive 
trees, and the small scale production of olive oil in S.W.Western 
Australia or similar latitude. If anyone out there knows of any 
web sites etc. please inform

many thanks Bob Clark



From almond@aol.com Sun Jul 30 23:14:16 EDT 1995
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From: almond@aol.com (Almond)
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Generally, fumigation with Methyl Bromide is critical if there are any
nematodes present.  Backhoeing the planting site at a depth and width of
six feet is also very important.  Here in the Central Valley of California
when a peach tree is planted in January/February (dormant season), the
tree will be six feet tall by June/July.


From sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu Sun Jul 30 23:14:17 EDT 1995
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From: sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy)
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Subject: Re: Filbert tree ban
Date: 25 Jul 1995 10:47:57 -0700
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Bill Jones <bjones@in.net> writes:

>I grow gooseberries and your ribes example does make the point 
>for me. However, if your neighbor drops an infected filbert in a 
>hole and all yours die as a result, wouldn't that put a whole new 
>spin on things?  Maybe the time is coming when you should fold up 
>your tent and go where your filberts are still welcome. 


My objection is simply to the privileging of commerial venture in law; I
haven't objected to torts or other legal means of containing the blight. 
(Which doesn't mean I wouldn't object to them if the subject came up, but
that is not this subject.) I don't like the government telling citizens:
you can't grow this tree in your backyard because it puts filbert
businesses at risk. Why not say to business: you can't grow filbert
mono-cultures en masse because it is a threat to the samll-scale grower?
>From  what I know about horticulture, I would guess that it is the
large-scale monoculture cultivation that brought about the blight in the
region. 

So maybe it threatens the financial stability of some farmers. Tough
cookies. I am completely unsympathetic to people who put all their eggs in 
one basket and then run to the government for help when that basket is 
threatened. If you want stability, don't construct your life so that your
liveliehood depends on a single activity, or skill of narrow utility, 
whether it is farming filberts or peaches, or logging old growth or whatever.

The situation is very analogous to investing in financial instruments. 
Suppopse somebody invests all their money in foreign bonds. He could 
diversify, invest in US stocks, international stocks, US bonds, etc., but 
then he would have to learn about all those fields; if he concentrates 
solely on, say, bonds issued by the government of Tahiti, he can master 
the field and operate more efficiently. But of course there is more risk. 
But of course, the risk is due solely to his choices, and he has no 
business limiting the freedoms of others to manage his risk. The 
situation with commercial agriculture in general and filberts in 
particular is the same: some farmers have made their entire livliehood 
depend on filbert growing. Now the risk of that specialization is being 
realized, and they want to limit a small freedom of everyone to manage 
their risk--a risk due solely to their choices. Phooey on them.

The situation is doubly irksome because it is large-scale 
monocropping that causes major disease problems anyway, not backyard or 
small-scale growing.
-- 
DEFINITIONS
Dumb Bird.  An entity incapable of surviving without old growth.
Logger.  A kind of dumb bird.


From josephw@cybernetics.net Sun Jul 30 23:14:19 EDT 1995
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 A friend of mine is soon going to be preparing a field which has been left wild
for the last 6 years.  She plans to plant small peach trees. Is fumigation 
neccessary?  What preparation is rquired?

                                        Any good advice appreciated
                                      JW



From joel@ssd.intel.com Sun Jul 30 23:14:20 EDT 1995
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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
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Subject: Filbert tree ban
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In article <sharvy.806617261@gladstone> sharvy@gladstone.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy) writes:
>pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) writes:
>>In article <sharvy.806039950@ccserver>, sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu (Peter
>>Benjamin Sharvy) writes:
 
>>>The proposed ban in Oregon of retail sales of filbert trees is an
>>>outrage, and I intend to ignore it any way possible
 
>>    On the other end of the country, and I'm sure most of those in other
>>countries, don't know what you are talking about.
>>    But you've caught my curiosity.  Please explain.
>
>Oregon is the largest domestic grower of filberts. There is a filbert 
>blight of some sort going around. The proposed remedy is to ban retail
>sales of filbert trees, apparently to make management of the blight easier.
>
>I object to this sort of thing in general, because it assumes that there 
>is something morally or politically special about commercial ventures vs. 
>hobbyist or recreational ventures, so that laws privileging 
>large-scale commercial growers are justified.
 
 
I am a small commercial grower of filbert nuts in Oregon.  I had not
heard of the "ban on retail filbert sales" until mentioned here by 
Peter Benjamin Sharvy.  I tend to agree with his objections to this 
ban. I certainly doubt is will control the spread of the Eastern Filbert
Blight.  The Extension agents I have talked to have made several suggestions
of how to control this blight but none of them has mentioned a ban. I have 
not seen the ban mentioned in the Hazelnut (filbert) Grower's Association 
Newletter, or heard discussed by any other commercial filbert growers.
The largest commercial grower I have talked to (member of the Oregon
Hazelnut Marketing Board of Directors) believes all his filbert trees
will be dead within 5-10 years regardless of what he does.
 
joel clark




From kathpyle@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 30 23:14:22 EDT 1995
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In <3udfm9$g3k@umbc7.umbc.edu> dasilva@umbc.edu (dasilva vera) writes: 

 the California Rare Fruit Growers address

 (for membership/subscription questions)
 CRFG Administrataive Assistant
 9872 Aldgate Ave
 Garden Grove, CA 92641
 (714) 638-1796


 E-mail address -- as far as I know, no email address yet

 home page -- currently under discussion

There are also 15 local chapters in California, plus a brand new
chapter at Houston, Texas, and individual members scattered throughout
the world.  I can provide local chapter info if you tell me where you
live.

Katherine Pyle
kathpyle@ix.netcom.com



From ye@maia.au.ac.th Sun Jul 30 23:14:23 EDT 1995
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Karel Lootens (Karel.Lootens@ping.be) wrote:
: Karel Lootens
: Moestuinstraat 8
: 9000 Gent
: Belgium

: e-mail : Karel.Lootens@ping.be

What is that all about?

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From nefilim@delphi.com Sun Jul 30 23:14:24 EDT 1995
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>>Your newsgroups targeted for this post are the most random,  
non-associated group of newsgroups I've ever seen posted to.  What do  
airline schedules, adoption, fruit, and aliens have in common that would  
merit one single post to all newsgroups?  Just curious.<<
 


Your normally world-reknown logical skills have momentarily deserted you,
Brian. Any really good inductive probe would have immediately uncovered the
similarities in "alt.adoption, alt.adoption.agency, alt.agriculture.fruit,
alt.agriculture.misc, alt.airline.schedules, alt.alien.research,
alt.alien.visitors, alt.allsysop, alt.amateur-comp". They all begin with an
"a". :)

And considering the nature of these groups, I hypothesize that someone is
looking for a good (cheap) alien nanny/cook/housekeeper, preferably from
Guadalajara, which is what he is inquiring about.



From sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu Mon Jul 31 16:47:30 EDT 1995
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joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:

>In article <sharvy.806692900@ccserver> sharvy@ccserver.uoregon.edu (Peter Benjamin Sharvy) writes:
>>
>>My objection is simply to the privileging of commerial venture in law; I
>>haven't objected to torts or other legal means of containing the blight. 
>>I don't like the government telling citizens:
>>you can't grow this tree in your backyard because it puts filbert
>>businesses at risk. Why not say to business: you can't grow filbert
>>mono-cultures en masse because it is a threat to the samll-scale grower?
>>
>>So maybe it threatens the financial stability of some farmers. Tough
>>cookies. I am completely unsympathetic to people who put all their eggs in 
>>one basket and then run to the government for help when that basket is 
>>threatened. If you want stability, don't construct your life so that your
>>liveliehood depends on a single activity, or skill of narrow utility, 
>>whether it is farming filberts or peaches, or logging old growth or whatever.

>  But your argument against 
>mono-culture techniques ignores the cost of capital, economies of scale,
>and the reality of the world market for filberts.

I think the problem is as follows: some governments "promote" economic 
development, say, in the case of the filbert industry. Others do not. How 
can those who wish to farm commerically do so successfully in those 
countries which do not receive government subsidies or legal protection 
when they must compete against the others? 

They probably can't, in the absence of protective tariffs. I can't think 
of any way, assuming that the consumer cannot be relied upon to practice 
activism in grocery store and prefer the more expensive domestic product. 
This assumption may be debatable, however, given that many people spend 
triple the money for organically grown produce.

>  The price a filbert
>farmer gets is directly related to the world crop and the world grower
>techniques including mono-culture and low-cost labor.  The cost of 
>capital for commercial agriculture is tremendous and it is not reasonable
>to expect a farmer to multiply his capital cost by several factors (in
>equipment, land and plantings) to achieve the same poly cultural environment
>of the backyard or hobby grower. 

It is not reasonable to put all your eggs in one basket and then demand 
other people's eggs when your basket tumbles.

> A filbert farm will not reach full 
>production in less than 20 years. Once in full production, nothing else
>(other than grass) can be grown in the orchard. 

Why not? There are food crops that fix their own nitrogen, and that grow 
in partial shade. What about legumes?

-- 
DEFINITIONS
Dumb Bird.  An entity incapable of surviving without old growth.
Logger.  A kind of dumb bird.


From pollinator@aol.com Fri Aug  4 01:44:56 EDT 1995
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wmp657@ix.netcom.com (PAO, WILLIAM )
In a message dated July 29, 1995, you refer to:
>(1) logan:  It gives few sweet logans the second year planted.  But in 
            the last 2 years, it grew a lot of flowers, but they will  
            turn brown and drop off.

>(2) lichee: Every year it will grow a lot of flowers around April, and 
            the flowers will turn into tiny fruits and will drop off.
            I heard we should hold off watering for months starting    
            flowering until the fruits grow to the size of watermelon  
            seed.

    These are classic symtoms of lack of pollination.  I am not familiar
with
either, but generally blossom drop, or excessive fruit drop at small size
is
symptomatic.

    McGregor (Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants, USDA, 1976)
does
not refer to logan, but says lichee should have beehives placed in groves.


   Are your bee populations dropping, as they are in many areas.  Some
blossoms, like Kiwi needs many visits by a bee for full pollination, while
a
peach can do okay with only one visit.

   Your apples may give some useful info.  How many seeds are setting in
your
fruit.  Are you getting good pollination (8-10 seeds), or very poor (3-4
seeds)?   The logan and lichee may need a higher level than even apples.

    I have never worked with these personally.  I am generalizing from
experience with numerous other crops.  This may or may not apply, but your
post indicated that you had probably not considered this.

    Good luck.

Pollinator@aol.com                Dave Green
PO Box 1215, Hemingway,  SC   29554


From marcierose@aol.com Fri Aug  4 01:44:58 EDT 1995
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Dave,

A thorough and thoughtful answer.  Thanks for taking the time to educate.
MarcieRose@aol.com


From Philippe.Schepens@ping.be Fri Aug  4 01:44:59 EDT 1995
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What the hell is that ? and what has this to do with Belgium ?
Have the guts to explain thant to me, or are you flipped ? or stoned?

Philippe.Schepens@ping.be



From rmullins@scott.net Fri Aug  4 01:45:00 EDT 1995
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As a research professional in the field of Forestry and Agriculture you are
familiar with the GPS system for world-wide navigation and its impact on data
collection and mapping. Currently a newer, enhanced system is impacting the way all
researchers, farmers, agronomists and surveyors are conducting business, Differential GPS. 
Differential Global Positioning Systems (DGPS) provide navigation accuracy to within one
(1) meter.  This accuracy is invaluable to researchers, boaters, farmers and surveyors. 
DGPS is quickly becoming necessary equipment for all precise navigation and mapping
users. Now this accuracy is available to anyone who needs to return to the same
sample point month after month, or document findings based on the accuracy
standard established by the government authority on DGPS.  Starlink, Inc., is
presently working with the U.S. Coast Guard, Army Corps of Engineers and the
Canadian Coast Guard to provide this differential accuracy across the
continent and Hawaii.  Soon it will be required on all large commercial ships
operating in designated waterways.    
We at Starlink have been pioneers with the use of Differential GPS within the
shipping industry. We have an established and proven record of dependability
and workmanship within our products.  Our systems are the only systems, used
in agriculture and GIS applications, built to standards established by the
U.S. Coast Guard and specifications designed to last in the harsh environment
of commercial shipping.  Many other systems are built to their own production
standards, which are far less stringent than the only government established
specifications.  
Our DNAV-212 Differential GPS has received tremendous attention over the last
six months as a result of the success that our customers have been reporting
and the interest that the agriculture
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Does anyone have any reliable criteria for picking a ripe watermelon when the melon is uncut?  It's is
fairly easy to pick a ripe one when the watermelon is cut and one can observe the color of the inside, 
but picking a ripe one when the melon is whole is the difficult task.  I recently picked one on the hollow
sound theory.  It was the most hollow sounding one that I have ever heard.  BUMMER!  Not ripe at all.

Please post or email.

Dan


From sjohnsto@rs6a.wln.com Fri Aug  4 01:45:03 EDT 1995
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From: sjohnsto@rs6a.wln.com (Susan Johnston)
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Subject: Tour New Zealand Farms Etc.
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HOW ABOUT AN ENLIGHTENED ADVENTURE IN NEW ZEALAND?

Doug Bullock is a renowned authority on sustainable
living and permaculture, and a visit to his farm in Washington State will
leave no doubt about his talent for growing fruit, creatively and
beautifully.  He is looking for a few people to join him for a
special adventure in New Zealand.  He will be traveling there in 1995-96,
and is offering to serve as a guide and travel companion for individuals
or small groups who would like to explore some of the country's most
magical places.  He can take you to visit organic, biodynamic and
permaculture farms.  He can advise you about buying land there, too.  

This isn't a commercial tour; it's just an opportunity to travel with
someone who can help you see New Zealand in a different way than you would
withou him.  And it won't be expensive.  Doug simply needs to offset the
cost of his own trip (required for immigration reasons), so he is willing
to share his knowledge and contacts in exchange for a very moderate
guide/consultant's fee. 

YOU CAN CHOOSE THE ACTIVITIES YOU LIKE MOST.

If you decide to join him, Doug will work with you to develop an itinerary
that suits your interests.  He can draw on his local knowledge and
resources to arrange a tremendous variety of activities, including:

-  Farmstays on organic, biodynamic and permaculture farms.
-  Agricultural work-trade experiences.
-  Visits to intentional communities.
-  Guided explorations of the country's wilderness and rural areas.
-  Outdoor adventures (kayaking, windsurfing, hiking, rafting, etc.)
-  High-quality, low-budget touring.
-  Getting to know locals who share your interest in sustainable culture,
   building community and living in harmony with the natural world.

YOU CAN GET THE LOWDOWN ON LAND, TOO.

If you are tempted by the quality of life in New Zealand, you can take
advantage of Doug's experience as a landowner and resident there.  He has
served as a buyer's consultant, and can facilitate ownership of New
Zealand agricultural land.  Doug can help you evaluate real estate and
provide on-the-spot advice about the agricultural potential of specific
properties.

YOU'LL TRAVEL WITH A CELEBRATED ADVOCATE OF BALANCED LIVING.

Here's a little background on Doug.  He's a world-traveled horticulturist
and permaculture farmer with an encyclopedic knowledge of edible and
useful plants and their cultivation.  He lived for several years in New
Zealand, where he still legally holds permanent resident status.  While
there, he worked on his own agriculture projects, and also assisted the
New Zealand Department of Conservation.  Prior to that he was resident in
Hawaii, where he was an instrumental leader in a nonprofit organization
which actively promoted sustainable agriculture.

Doug now shares a homestead with his two brothers on Orcas Island in
Washington State, where for over 13 years they have applied the principles
of permaculture to realize their unique vision of abundance and
sustainable human life on earth.  Their farm has become one of the most
renowned permaculture sites in the region, and was featured in "The Global
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Mollison, the undisputed fountainhead of permaculture worldwide.  The
Bullocks' place was also covered at length in Issue #50 of Permaculture
International Journal. 

With his brothers and their many contacts from around the world, Doug
leads workshops, courses and informal training in sustainable agriculture
and related fields of knowledge.  He is dedicated to helping people learn
how to exist happily in an easy and balanced relationship with the Earth.

WHAT TO DO NEXT?  GET IN TOUCH!

Don't be put off by the awesome credentials.  Doug is a relaxed and
good-natured person, who's energetic but balanced, and he'll make a great
traveling companion.  If you're interested in seeing New Zealand with
Doug, e-mail me right away, or call him directly at (360) 376-2071.

==========================================================================
Susan E Johnston - Seattle, WA - sjohnsto@wln.com - Have a defining moment
==========================================================================







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In article <3urkju$6mh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>,
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        Hi!

> chufrufuchajaus quejelder esjeldertajausmojolder dijilderfijilderciljilder
> pajausrajaus hajausblajaus.
>
> OR
> poliu werty defit porui faliunte quoerit 
>
        Mira vos!!!
        Estos no los conocia.... Me lo explique!! :)



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From murray@infobahnos.com Mon Aug  7 04:14:37 EDT 1995
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In article <ZNDIwE0yneeJ084yn@sparky.servicom.es>, a0803175@servicom.es
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> In article <3urkju$6mh@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>,
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>         Hi!
> 
> > chufrufuchajaus quejelder esjeldertajausmojolder dijilderfijilderciljilder
> > pajausrajaus hajausblajaus.
> >
> > OR
> > poliu werty defit porui faliunte quoerit 
> >
>         Mira vos!!!
>         Estos no los conocia.... Me lo explique!! :)

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From absorbu@aol.com Mon Aug  7 04:14:39 EDT 1995
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Subject: PLANT TREES WITH A SUPERABSORBENT
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One pound of the superabsorbent Terra-Sorb will absorb 30-40 gallons of
water!!!

When used as a soil amendment when planting new trees it will absorb water
and reduce irrigation by 50%, or more.  Hundreds of thousands of citrus
trees in Florida have been treated with this material.

Interested?  Contact me via E-Mail.

absorbu@aol.com


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Should use a superabsorbent as a soil amendment when transplanting.

Results based upon hundreds of thousands of fruit tree plantings, and
BILLIONS of forestry seedlings.



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From docsecola@aol.com Mon Aug  7 04:14:42 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: How does one pick a whole uncut watermelon?
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I put the whole melon flush to my ear and tap on the side w a fingertip.
If you do this to several melons you'll notice many different sounds. A
high ping means unripe, a thud means overripe. The hollow sound is really
many different sounds: deep hollow, shallow, etc. I go for a firm hollow
sound. Also, you might lightly drag your fingernails acrss the skin;
supposedly a ripe melon will scrap off easily.  The non-stem end is
sometimes refered to as male/ female.  A small navel is male' larger is
female. Some say females are better, but they're relatively rare. I look
for an indentation (an "innie") on the nonstem end. IAC, make sure there
is no give on the non-stem end; it should be frim or maybe the _slightest_
give. None of these things will assure a perfect melon but you can at
least avoid a dog. Of course, different varieties thump differently so...

You dont say whether you're picking melons from the vine or at a market of
some sort. A market or roadside stand is a great place to get to know the
various thumps. I asked a large produce dept guy if I could thump before
he cut a dozen or so melons for display and learned a lot from the
experience.

I hope some other people post on this; I get a kick out of various tricks
and its always good for discussion at a trucksale of watermelons...
Kirt...<docsecola@aol.com>
trout fishing off the porch in america


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From: allyn@u.washington.edu (Allyn Weaks)
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In article <3vrln9$e37@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sakheim@aol.com (Sakheim) wrote:

> My father-in-law owns a dairy and tobacco farm in Massachusetts. He was
> wondering if anyone knows a way to rid a tobacco barn of bats. Someone
> suggested sealing it off, but that is very impractical. Does anyone have
> any good ideas for bat control?

What real problems are they causing?  Just the guano?  If so, set up bat
houses not too far from the barn where the guano won't matter (makes good
fertilizer), then after you're sure that the young are old enough for the
move (determine the species and find out about their breeding cycle),
block all entryways with netting in such a way that they can get out but
not back in again.  Then keep your fingers crossed and hope that they
accept the bat houses as an alternative rather than leaving the area
altogether.

Bats are valuable critters, and eat a huge quantity of insects, including
mosquitos (up to 600/hour/bat).  They are also becoming endangered in many
areas, and are certainly worthy of some care and consideration.

Bat Conservation International has a growing Web site at:

http://www.batcon.org/

and there are enough pointers there for you to find out how to identify
your bat species and determine their needs before taking drastic actions
that you may regret later.
-- 
Allyn Weaks
allyn@u.washington.edu


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From: latinor@login.net (Alain Thivierge)
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Subject: Re: 2 - READ ME - MEXICO
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In article <3upto8$k5c@maureen.teleport.com>, byrdman@teleport.com (Dr.J.G.Byrdman) says:
>
>If you read this I am assuming you are interested in Mexico?
>
>Mexico Internet.... your link to Mexico, is about to come on line.
>From importing to marketing. From business to travel. How-to to
>how-not. The Mexico news to the Mexico exotic. You will need to set a
>bookmark to the Mexico Internet. Learn how you can make the link!
>
>Business or personal. News or markets. Products or services.
>Agriculture, airlines, adoption and aliens. Everything! (Si, tiene
>todo!) 
>
>Send me email if you want the homepage address. AND, if you have a few
>seconds, tell me why your interested.
>
>Dr.J.G.Byrdman
>byrdman@teleport.com
>
>


From absorbu@aol.com Mon Aug  7 04:14:48 EDT 1995
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From: absorbu@aol.com (ABSORBU)
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Subject: Re: peach tree question
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We have good news for you about using a superabsorbent when planting.

Here in Florida I visited groves this year that planted trees 30 months
ago and picked 3/4 box of fruit this year!!!!!!!!!

If you are a commercial farmer the company will talk to you at
800-227-6728

Regards

Jim Quinn


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> 
> 
> 
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From doug@sand.ccsf.cc.ca.us Mon Aug  7 04:14:50 EDT 1995
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From: doug@sand.ccsf.cc.ca.us (Douglas Re)
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Subject: almond growers
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Just found this group, Any California almond growers out there?


From sakheim@aol.com Mon Aug  7 04:14:51 EDT 1995
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From: sakheim@aol.com (Sakheim)
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Subject: need help with control of bats
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My father-in-law owns a dairy and tobacco farm in Massachusetts. He was
wondering if anyone knows a way to rid a tobacco barn of bats. Someone
suggested sealing it off, but that is very impractical. Does anyone have
any good ideas for bat control?


From byrdman@telecom.com Mon Aug  7 04:14:52 EDT 1995
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From: byrdman@telecom.com (Mexico Internet)
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If you read this I am assuming you are interested in Mexico?

Mexico Internet.... your link to Mexico, is about to come on line.
>From  importing to marketing. From business to travel. How-to to
how-not. The Mexico news to the Mexico exotic. You will need to set a
bookmark to the Mexico Internet. Learn how you can make the link!

Business or personal. News or markets. Products or services. Animals,
anonymous, questions, and answers. Everything! (Si, tiene todo!) 

Send me email if you want its homepage address. I'll keep you
up-to-date as to its construction. AND, if you have a few seconds,
tell me why your interested.

Dr.J.G.Byrdman
byrdman@teleport.com
2



From bell@lilcpx.enet.dec.com Tue Aug  8 15:18:53 EDT 1995
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-Message-Text-Follows-

I'm writing this question to see if anyone has had either benifical or
adverse experience regarding mulching under fruit trees?  I have access
to a large amount of oak chips and thought it might help to keep
moisture in and weeds out if I mulched under the apple trees in our
orchard.  I don't see any of the surrounding orchards doing this.
Hence the question.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Mike Bell
Penrose, Colorado
bell@lilcpx.enet.dec.com


From marcierose@aol.com Tue Aug  8 15:18:54 EDT 1995
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From: marcierose@aol.com (MARCIEROSE)
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Subject: Re: logan and lichee
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Hi Sal,

If you have some time this winter, give the folks at Fairchild Tropical
Gardens a call.  They're in MIami, Fl Their tropical fruit guy is Richard
Campbell.  Address 10901 Old Cutler Rd, Miami, FL 33156-4296  for phone
try (305) 665-2844
MarcieRose@aol.com


From marcierose@aol.com Tue Aug  8 15:18:55 EDT 1995
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Agree about bat usfulness.  Are your bats sheltering during the day or
moving around at night?  If they're moving in the barn, it's because you
have bugs in there - looks like dinner to them.  If they're sheltering,
there must be a source of food near by.  Did someone seal up an old mine
or cave in your area in the last year?   If so, chances are they were
forced to relocate once aleady.  

Check the web page for moving techniques.  Another tactic might be to hang
chees cloth between your bats and your t'baccy.  It will let the air
circulate and keep the guano off the crop.  And, you'd still have a great
mosquito control
MarcieRose@aol.com


From Alex.Bonnington@natlib.govt.nz Tue Aug  8 15:18:57 EDT 1995
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From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Aug 14 00:22:55 EDT 1995
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From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur)
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Subject: Re: almond growers
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P>From: paulwwwp@aol.com (PaulWw wp)
 >Subject: Re: almond growers

P>I'm a PCA who just moved to Los Banos from the sacramento area.  Until
 >this season I had Almonds in Chico, and I still have my sweeper and Pick
 >up machine

Hello Paul,

   Welcome to Los Banos!

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From: cauron@netwest.com (Christopher J. Auron)
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Subject: Test
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From paulwwwp@aol.com Mon Aug 14 00:22:57 EDT 1995
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From: paulwwwp@aol.com (PaulWw wp)
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Subject: Re: peach tree question
Date: 9 Aug 1995 21:26:18 -0400
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The cost of methyl Bromide or Metam Sodium are very high.  We have grown
fruit trees including peaches with limited success without fumigation, in
ground previously planted to fruit trees.  Our neibors usually got more
uniform stands, fewer lost trees and quicker production.  The cost of a
soil test is much cheaper than random fumigation.  The interaction between
the diseases, the weed species, and your area is very complex.  Which
means, I think you should have a target (based on tests or area knowledge)
if your going to fumigate.  There are different methods to preparing the
based on the target.  
The company I was with planted several thousand acres of trees in the last
few years and they did not soil test for pathogens or for nutrients, and I
belive it cost them a lot of money.
Your friend should consider a high density planting if he is a savy farmer
who understands peach trees well, the returns can be huge.
I hope this rambling answer helps
Paul


From paulwwwp@aol.com Mon Aug 14 00:22:59 EDT 1995
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From: paulwwwp@aol.com (PaulWw wp)
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Subject: Re: almond growers
Date: 9 Aug 1995 21:36:08 -0400
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Don't have any now, but I try to keep up on the Almonds.

I'm a PCA who just moved to Los Banos from the sacramento area.  Until
this season I had Almonds in Chico, and I still have my sweeper and Pick
up machine

Paul


From marketfarm@aol.com Fri Sep  1 02:20:30 EDT 1995
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From: marketfarm@aol.com (MarketFarm)
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Subject: Farmer's Market Online Vol. 1 #10
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FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE
Vol 1, Number 10, August 21, 1995
++++++++++++++++++++
Contents of this issue are outlined as follows. To receive a copy, at no
charge or obligation, make a request to marketfarm@aol.com.
++++++++++++++++++++
Bulletin Board
* Attention Shoppers: Dickering
* Book Stall: Soap Recipes
* Community Support: Harvest from Harmony
* Livestock Market: Captive Market
* Open Air: cooking, gardening on TV this week
Booths
Farm Produce (7 booths): Christmas Trees, Maple Syrup, Mushrooms,
Potatoes, Sprouts, Tomatoes, Wool
Specialty Foods (6 booths): Candy, Fudge, Mushrooms, Soybean Snacks
Crafts (3 booths) Fleexe, Jewelry, Yarn
Pets (1 booth) Cocker Spaniel
Livestock (3 booths) Cattle, Emu, Goats
Shopping Lists (1 item) Stretch Denim
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From bar@theomw2.physik.uni-ulm.de Fri Sep  1 02:20:31 EDT 1995
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From: bar@theomw2.physik.uni-ulm.de (Andreas Barth)
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In article <41rjts$jtr@armitage.cyberspace.com>, Sara@aol.com (Sara) writes:
> I am 18 and love to talk dirty! Call me at 206-546-1363 and ask for Sara.
> 

Also M"adle, i verschdand ja, da3 Schw"abisch fier manche a bissale schwer isch,
aber no kasch dia njusgrubb bei deiner Grossboschderei oifach auslassa. On wenn
's n"achschde mol dahanna dei Schbrichle onder'd Leid brenge wilsch, no
schreibsch so ogf"ahr

	I be jezad so ogf"ahr 18 Lenz
	ond mags hald scho, wenne a wenga
	an ozichdiga Schw"atz halda ka.
	Ruaf'sch me hald amole a, wenn da
	au Luschd druff hosch. Mai nommer
	isch ...

I glaub a 001 als Vorwahl (Schdemmd doch?) kennsch de obedarfde onder de Leser
au no verrada.

Grieasde, Sara - oder wia da em Ziwielleba hoisch!

Andy


From jhoyle@cox.nsac.ns.ca Fri Sep  1 02:20:32 EDT 1995
Article: 746 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: jhoyle@cox.nsac.ns.ca (Dr Jeff Hoyle (NSTNNEWS))
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Kumkwats(sp?)
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Can anyone help me?  Is a kumkwat(sp?) a citrus fruit?

Thanks

Jeff Hoyle


From emery@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu Fri Sep  1 02:20:33 EDT 1995
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In article <41rjts$jtr@armitage.cyberspace.com>, Sara@aol.com (Sara) wrote:

> I am 18 and love to talk dirty! Call me at 206-546-1363 and ask for Sara.

Oh do me, do me now, oh baby oh baby. Yeah. Uh-huh. *sheesh* stay off the
net with this shit.

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From msu.edu Fri Sep  1 02:20:34 EDT 1995
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From: msu.edu (The Scientist)
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Subject: almonds
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I have never grown almonds, but I like to eat them.  

Heng Zhong


From carmel@datasrv.co.il Fri Sep  1 02:20:35 EDT 1995
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From: carmel@datasrv.co.il
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Subject: searching www sites ,
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Hi there :)

We are looking for agriculture companies in the U.S 

Please send  a www site to : carmel@datasrv.co.il



From sboydstn@efn.org Fri Sep  1 02:20:38 EDT 1995
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From: sboydstn@efn.org (Steve Boydston)
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Subject: Kiwi fruit
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 I am trying to raise kiwi fruit with no success. I have two plants a
male and a female. Both were blooming when I planted them since then 
no bloosoms. they are about five years old now. Imust be doing
something wrong but what?



From soilsc@aol.com Fri Sep  8 00:44:30 EDT 1995
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The placement of this mesage on this newsgroup is very testeless, and
inmature, let us forget this prank and concentrate in more constructive
activities.


From bigstan@iadfw.net Fri Sep  8 00:44:31 EDT 1995
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This is just anodder test, Good People ! Please ignore !




From dlson@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  8 00:44:32 EDT 1995
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From: dlson@ix.netcom.com (Derek Olson)
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Subject: A Success Story
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Dear Internet Friends,

I recently went on this diet and lost 11 pounds in one week.  The diet
says you are supposed to lose 10-17, but I wasn't quite that lucky.

My mother, cousin and wife also tried it and were successfull.  They
only wanted to lose a few pounds, and it says you are supposed to lose
5 to 7 pounds after the third day.  And they all lost about that much.

Anyway, even if I didn't lose weight, I feel so much better when I'm
on it.(I'm on it again, I want to get to 190, currently I'm 198)  

The best thing is that you can eat as much as you want every day.
That is crazy, but it's true. :)

The only thing is that if you lose more than 15 pounds in a week, you
have to go off the diet for two days before starting again.

The way I see it, if the whole world knew about this diet, the whole
world would be happier.  All it is is normal food.  I guess it is the
order you eat it in or something that makes you lose the weight.

So I was going to post the recipe on the Internet for everyone to see.
But then my brain started going, and I said "Hey, I can make some
money doing this!"  I am starting my own business and I could really
use the cash now.

So, if you send me a buck, I'll send you the recipe, and a big thanks.
Make sure and write your E-Mail address in the envelope.  If the
E-Mail address doesn't work for some reason or another, I will send
you the recipe in the mail.

ADDRESS

Derek Olson
8457 W. Toller Ave.
Littleton, Colorado 80123

P.S.  If this works for you, please send me E-Mail telling me your
success story.  I hope this works for everyone else as good as it did
for me.  Just don't ask me how it works.  I'm an Engineer, and I have
no idea how it works.



From louis@cs.athabascau.ca Fri Sep  8 00:44:33 EDT 1995
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From: louis@cs.athabascau.ca (Louis Schmittroth)
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Subject: Re: Russian & Italian fresh tomato have significantly better flavour
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larryc@teleport.com (Larry Caldwell) writes:

>In article <42aklv$8j1@fido.asd.sgi.com>,
>Gianni Mariani <gianni@engr.sgi.com> wrote:

>> I demand good fresh tomato for everyone !!!

>"There's just two things that money can't buy,
>  and that's true love and homegrown tomatoes."

>Today I had a sandwich made from homemade bread, homemade mayonaise,
>homegrown tomatoes and home smoked thuringer.  Ah, that's the life!

Up here in northern Alberta I grow a Roma type tomato, Capri VF from the
Stokes Seed catalog.  Nice pear shaped, meaty but also juicy, and
delicious.  If I can grown them up here, anyone can.  BUT you have to
start them in early April inside, move them to a hothouse or greenhouse,
transplant them once or twice, and then outside.
--
Louis Schmittroth louis@cs.athabascau.ca
NW 1/4 18 67 21 W4 Alberta.  


From jonboy384@aol.com Fri Sep  8 00:44:34 EDT 1995
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From: jonboy384@aol.com (Jon Boy384)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Re: New method of minimal application of fungicides against apple scab, Ventu...
Date: 31 Aug 1995 21:45:31 -0400
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In article <ABAtJHmmf5@svt.argocher.voronezh.su>, "Svetlana Samoilenko"
<svt@svt.argocher.voronezh.su> writes:

>  RUSSIA, 396030, Voronezh region, Post Ramon, All- Russian Research
>Institute of Plant Protection, d.14/10, tel.(074340) 52039;21504; fax
21596
>Kolesova D.A., Chmir P.G.
>
>    Kolesova D.A., Chmir P.G. New method of minimal application of
>fungicides against apple scab, Venturia inaequalis (Cke.)
>
>    A suggested method is important to assist growers in better timing
>sprays and in making optimal use of existing fungicides. T

Don't leave me hanging here Svetlana. I would like to know more about what
indicator you are using but the meat of your post looks like this:

    þÍÙÒØ ð.ç.,ëÏÌÅÓÏ×Á ä.á. íÅÔÏÄ ÍÉÎÉÍÁÌØÎÏÇÏ ÐÒÉÍÅÎÅÎÉÑ ÆÕÎÇÉÃÉÄÏ× ÐÒÏ-
ÔÉ× ÐÁÒÛÉ ÑÂÌÏÎÉ, Venturia inaequalis (Cke.)
    òÏÓÓÉÑ, ÷ÏÒÏÎÅÖÓËÁÑ ÏÂÌÁÓÔØ, òÁÍÏÎØ, ÷ÓÅÒÏÓÓÉÊÓËÉÊ ÎÁÕÞÎÏ-ÉÓÓÓÌÅÄÏ×Á-
ÔÅÌØÓËÉÊ ÉÎÓÔÉÔÕÔ ÚÁÝÉÔÙ ÒÁÓÔÅÎÉÊ, Ä.14/10, ÔÅÌ. (074340) 52039;21504,
fax 21596

Are you using a Russian keyboard ? Is it UUEncoded? PGP?  Why is part of
your post legible and part not?

Our orchard is in Connecticut(Southern New England), U.S.A.. For the past
8 years we have been using a modified hygrothermograph in conjunction with
a modified Mills chart to determine the length of infection periods, and
predict the likelyhood of infection. The advent of the Sterol inhibiting
fungicides has allowed us to wait up to 96 hrs after infection and still
get control. Most seasons we don't need to start spraying for Scab until
after Tight Cluster, and this year (1995) no fungicide applications were
necessary until early Pink. That translates into 3 - 4 fungicide
applications during primary season. We get good enough control using this
program that no further fungicide applications are necessary for Scab
control.

I would be interested in corresponding with you regarding your technique,
but you need to resolve the problem with the legibility of your posts.

Regards, 
Jonathan Bishop - Fruit Grower 


From john01@ic.ac.uk Fri Sep  8 00:44:35 EDT 1995
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From: john01@ic.ac.uk (John Sargeant)
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950905073209.22259B-100000@ava.bcc.orst.edu>,
Chad Finn <finnc@bcc.orst.edu> wrote:

> Appearance does sell in the US.  Many a pollster has gone to the grocery 
> store and asked the consumer what is most important and they will say 
> flavor.  Then you look at the sales from the grocer and see what they buy 
> and they buy on appearance.  In the case of apples and strawberries, 
> bigger and redder. While Gala, Braeburn, and Fuji apples appear to be 
> breaking that trend somewhat in apples, Red Delicious is still the most 
> popular apple sold.
> 

I am trying to start breeding programmes specifically for improved flavour
but I have difficulty convincing grant awarding authorities that flavour
is important.  Do you know where these polls are published so that someone
in the UK can look at them?  Figures for yield and disease resistance are easy
to find but flavour is so difficult to define that making punchy arguments for
my bosses are difficult.  Mike.

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In article <john01-0609951817020001@cplm1.bc.ic.ac.uk>, John Sargeant (john01@ic.ac.uk) writes:
>In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950905073209.22259B-100000@ava.bcc.orst.edu>,
>Chad Finn <finnc@bcc.orst.edu> wrote:
>
>> Appearance does sell in the US.  Many a pollster has gone to the grocery 
>> store and asked the consumer what is most important and they will say 
>> flavor.  Then you look at the sales from the grocer and see what they buy 
>> and they buy on appearance.  In the case of apples and strawberries, 
>> bigger and redder. While Gala, Braeburn, and Fuji apples appear to be 
>> breaking that trend somewhat in apples, Red Delicious is still the most 
>> popular apple sold.
>> 
>
>I am trying to start breeding programmes specifically for improved flavour
>but I have difficulty convincing grant awarding authorities that flavour
>is important.  Do you know where these polls are published so that someone
>in the UK can look at them?  Figures for yield and disease resistance are easy
>to find but flavour is so difficult to define that making punchy arguments for
>my bosses are difficult.  Mike.
>


Contact the PMA (produce marketing Association) or the UFFVA
(United Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Assn) or a publication such as
Progressive Grocer or The Packer, in the US.  They all have
multiple studies showing this same sorry truth.





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From kaoslo1@aol.com Fri Sep  8 00:44:37 EDT 1995
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From: kaoslo1@aol.com (KAOSLO1)
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Subject: Senior Thesis
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I am a Senior at Willamette University and I am doing my Senior Thesis
this semester.  I am a Politics major, but I work for a large ag company
who is just getting involved in fruit.  I am interested in researching the
impact of Imported fruit, specifically Latin American, on the US market
and our producers.  Ir any of you could be of some help I would greatly
appreciate it.  E-mail me at:

afleeman@willamette.edu or KAOSLO1@aol.com   

I don't want to take up bandwidth with Senior Thesis stuff.  

Thanks in advance

April Fleeman


From gianni@engr.sgi.com Fri Sep  8 00:44:38 EDT 1995
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mbwit@seqnet.daresbury.ac.uk ( Michael Witty ) wrote:
>In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950905073209.22259B-100000@ava.bcc.orst.edu>,
>Chad Finn <finnc@bcc.orst.edu> wrote:
>
>I am trying to start breeding programmes specifically for improved flavour
>but I have difficulty convincing grant awarding authorities that flavour
>is important.  Do you know where these polls are published so that someone
>in the UK can look at them?  Figures for yield and disease resistance are easy
>to find but flavour is so difficult to define that making punchy arguments for
>my bosses are difficult.  Mike.
>

Flavour is  I M P O R T A N T !   Tell 'em I said so !

Regards

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From aagraz@aol.com Fri Sep  8 00:44:40 EDT 1995
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Dear Gianni:

If I am not mistaken, you live in the Bay Area. I couldn't agree more. The
tomatoes that you buy at the supermarket, if they come from California,
are usually machine harvested green and subsequently gassed with ethylene
to force color, not flavor, development.
My wife has a small bussiness. She operates a green house and produces
tomatoes during late fall, winter and spring. She uses a variety that has
the best taste. It is flavor full and sweet, very juicy and tender. Her
tomatoes a picked vine rippened. They can not be shipped very far, but I
think they can make it to San Fco. Any way, if you get to the point where
you must have a good tomato drop us a note. Or if you ever come to our
part of California, stop by our place and you will see that I am saying
the truth.

VINE RIPE TONATOES
Owners: Rocio & Agustin Agraz
14174 Lacey Blvd.
Hanford CA 93230


From marcierose@aol.com Tue Sep 12 22:10:32 EDT 1995
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Johnny's phone is (206) 437-4301
MarcieRose@aol.com (Marcie A. Rosenzweig)


From IndianRiver@iu.net Tue Sep 12 22:10:33 EDT 1995
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From: BARRY W GAINER <IndianRiver@iu.net>
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Hi! I'm intersted in your concept. Send me more info at the address 
below.For your information I am Barry Gainer and I own the Indian River
Gift Fruit Company. We have web sites at http://www.giftfruit.com
and at http://www.awa.com/fruit/ and a store on AOL keyword egg.




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Hi! I'm intersted in your concept. Send me more info at the address 
below.For your information I am Barry Gainer and I own the Indian River
Gift Fruit Company. We have web sites at http://www.giftfruit.com
and at http://www.awa.com/fruit/ and a store on AOL keyword egg.




From spicoli@goodnet.com Tue Sep 12 22:10:36 EDT 1995
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First I want to say I am sorry that this has nothing 
to do with the topic of this group. You may see this
message in other newsgroups, the reason is I am subscribed
to those too so please dont flame me. I have been posting 
and reading to this group for a while. I just wanted to 
let you people out know there is a way to get Cable TV for 
FREE. I recieved this letter in the mail from a friend 
that had told me it works. I gave this to one of my friends
and he had free cable in his house within 20 mins. I have not
tried this method yet but may soon try if my cable goes up in 
price. If anyone would like a copy send the following to the 
address below.

Address Envelope to:

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Scottsdale, Az 85255

Enclose in the envelope:

$1.00 U.S MONEY ** NO COINS **
A Postage Stamp

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A paper with your Name and Postage Address
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From: rickm@saturn.caps.maine.edu (Rick McNaughton)
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Am interested in growing Kiwi Fruit in Central Maine.  Anyone have any 
info that can be shared?


From kathpyle@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 22 01:40:29 EDT 1995
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From: kathpyle@ix.netcom.com (Katherine Pyle)
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andrei@actcom.co.il (Andrei Borenstein) wrote:

>Hello, 

>I'm trying to contact the  California Rare Fruit Growers, Inc.
>at info@crfg.org

I understand that the site server is having some sort of problem
recognizing that this account exists. You might wait a few days
and try again. Or wait a few days, then check the CRFG web site
(http://www.crfg.org/), to see if new instructions have been
posted.
Katherine Pyle
Berkeley, California
USA



From kathpyle@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 22 01:40:32 EDT 1995
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From: kathpyle@ix.netcom.com (Katherine Pyle)
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smarsh8888@aol.com (SMarsh8888) wrote:

>I am thinking of planting some Cherimoya trees around my house.  I'm in
>California and wonder if anyone has any information on varieties to plant.

Various older issues of the California Rare Fruit Growers'
newsletter/journal (now called The Fruit Gardener) contain
articles which discuss the pros and cons of numerous Cherimoya
varieties. Also, the CRFG Fruit Expert for Cherimoyas might be
able to help you. 

For more information about both of these, check out our new WWW
site:

           http://www.crfg.org

Katherine Pyle
Berkeley, California
USA



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From: kathpyle@ix.netcom.com (Katherine Pyle)
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corner@pocket.Corp.Sun.COM (Guest Account) wrote:

>Can someone explain to me the difference between a fruit and a vegetable?  

Where I come from: 

If it (a) is the part of the plant that surrounds the seed(s),
(b) is relatively soft and sweet (or is commonly cooked with
sugar to make it soft and sweet), and (c) is normally eaten for
dessert, it would usually be classes as  a "fruit". 

If it (a) is NOT the part of the plant that surrounds the seed,
(b) is not naturely very sweet or eaten with sugar to make it
sweeter, OR (c) is most commonly eaten  as part of the salad
course or main course of the meal, it would usually be classed as
a "vegetable".

This is NOT a fool-proof definition (there are too many
exceptions) -- but with this definition, a 6-year-old could sort
most fruits/vegetables into the correct category. 

Katherine Pyle
Berkeley, California
USA



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Personally, I have to agree with the sentiment "if don't like it, don't 
buy it". I always prefer my home grown tomatoes, although the quantity 
and quality of the yeild varies from year to year. As a result there are 
often periods when a passable tomato is preferrable to none.


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Dear all expert,

I am seeking for help for the following issure about plant hormone, 
ABA...  Please give me a hand if you have any idea!

Project Title:
Anti-growth and anti-transpirant activity of xylem saps of 
Zea mays (Maize) and Phaseolus vulgaris (Red Kidney Bean).

Early work has shown that the antitranspirant activity in the xylem 
sap in Zea mays can be explained by the ABA in it (Zhang and 
Davies, 1991).  There are, however, other reports which have 
shown that the antitranspirant activity in xylem can not be 
accounted fully by ABA (e.g. Trejo and Davies (1991) in Phaseolus 
vulgaris).

This Project will: 
A) collect xylem saps from the two species growing in wither well 
   watered or dried soil; 
B) Measure the ABA concentrations of xylem saps with RIA; 
C) Feed growing wheat seedlings with xylem saps or diluted xylem 
   saps added with ABA; 
D) Compare leaf elongation responses with that produced by synthetic 
   ABA solutions.

Help and information that I am looking for :
A) Can the anti-growth activity of xylem saps be accounted 
   for by the ABA in them?  

B)If yes, will the sensitivity be regulated by other factors 
  such as temperature and ionic conditions?  

C)If no, what is the nature of the as-yet unidentified inhibitor, 
  another inhibitor or merely a modification of ABA's effects?

Thanks ...  Robin Shum

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                 .       Shum Chin Kei, Robin      .
                 .  Department of Applied Biology  .
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From smusetti@lynx.dac.neu.edu Fri Sep 22 01:40:37 EDT 1995
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From: smusetti@lynx.dac.neu.edu (sergio musetti)
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Subject: Codling moth
Date: 17 Sep 1995 21:44:32 GMT
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Do you know of any sanitary treatment for the codling moth?
Thanks.


From rossler@netvision.net.il Fri Sep 22 01:40:38 EDT 1995
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From: rossler@netvision.net.il
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Subject: Re: navel oranges splitting open while green
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>Splitting is usually due to unorderly irrigation. 
> 




From lcarmean@aol.com Fri Sep 22 01:40:39 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Fruit Tree Bug
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The name of "carpocapsa" in English is codling moth.  There is tons of
information available about this insect.


From corner@pocket.Corp.Sun.COM Fri Sep 22 01:40:41 EDT 1995
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Subject: What is the difference between a fruit and a vegetable?
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Can someone explain to me the difference between a fruit and a vegetable?  



From no Fri Sep 22 01:40:42 EDT 1995
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From johnm@camtech.com.au Thu Oct  5 23:06:12 EDT 1995
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From: johnm@camtech.com.au (John McFarlane)
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Subject: fastcash - fastcash.txt (1/1)
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From eeyjaga Thu Oct  5 23:06:15 EDT 1995
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Subject: FAST CASH!!
Date: 1 Oct 1995 22:26:41 GMT
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>From  eeyjaga@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.ukSun Sep 17 02:27:05 1995
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 01:53:47 +0100 (BST)
From: ababa <eeyjaga@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
To: eeyjaga@unicorn.nott.ac.uk
Subject: FASTCASH!!!!


Make $$$ Fast!!

Dear Friend,

My name is Dave Rhodes.  In September 1988 my car was repossessed and the
bill collectors were hounding me like you wouldn't believe.  I was laid
off and my unemployment checks had run out.  The only escape that I had
>from  the pressure of failure was my Apple computer and my modem.  I longed
to turn my advocation into my vocation. 

This January 1989 my family and I went on a 10 day cruise to the tropics. 
I bought a Lincoln Town Car for CASH in Febuary 1989.  I am currently
building a home of my own on the West Coast of Florida, with a private
pool, boat slip and a beautiful view of the bay from my breakfast room
table and patio.  Never will I have to work again.  Today I am rich!  I
have earned over $400,000.00 in cash (Four Hundred Thousand Dollars) to
date and will become a millionaire within 4 to 5 months.  Anyone can do
the same.  This money making program works perfectly everytime, 100% of
the time.  I have NEVER failed to earn $50,000.00 or more whenever I
wanted.  Best of all, you never have to leave home except to go to your 
mailbox or post office.

In October 1988, I received a letter in the mail telling me how I would 
earn $50,000.00 or more whenever I wanted.  I was naturally skeptical and 
threw the letter on the desk next to my computer.  It's funny though, 
when you are desperate, backed into a corner, your mind does crazy 
things.  I spent a frustating day looking through the want ads for a job 
with a future.  The pickings were sparse at best.  That night I tried to 
unwind by booting up my computer and calling several bulletin boards.  I 
read several of the message posts and then glanced at the letter next to 
the computer.  All at once it came clear to me, now that I had the key to 
my dreams.

I realized that with the power of the computer, I could expand and 
enhance this money making formula into the most unbelievable cash flow 
generator that has ever been created.  I substituted the computer 
bulletin boards in place of the post office and electronically did by 
computer what what other were doing by mail.  Now only a few letters are 
mailed manually.  Most of the hard work is speedily downloaded to other 
bulletin boards throughout the world.  If you believe that someday you 
deserve that lucky break that you have waited for all your life, simply 
follow the easy instructions below.  Your dreams will come true.

Sincerely yours,
Dave Rhodes


Instructions:

Follow this instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you will have
received well above $50,000.00 in cash, all yours.  This program has
remained successful due to the honesty and integrity of the participants. 
Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions.  

Welcome to the world of Mail Order!  This little business is a little 
different from most mail order houses.  Your product is not solid and 
tangible but rather a service.  You are in the business of developing 
mailing lists.  Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for 
the quality lists.  

(The money made from the mailing lists are secondary to the income which 
is made from people like yourself requesting that they be included in 
that list.)

1)	Immediately mail $1.00 to the first 5 (five) names listed below 
starting from number 1 to number 5.  Send CASH ONLY.  Please note that 
the total investment is $5.00 excluding postal expenses).  Enclose a note 
with each letter stating: "Please add my name to your mailing list". (Of 
course you must put your address in the letter).  Please note that this 
is a legitimate service that you are requesting and you are paying $1.00 
for this service.  

2)	Remove the name that appears number 1 on the list.  Move the 
other 9 names up one position. (Number 2 will become number 1 and number 
3 will become number 2 and so on).  Place your name, address and zip code 
in the number 10 position.

3)	Post the new letter with your name in the number 10 position into 
15 different bulletin boards in the message base or to the file section, 
called FASTCASH.TXT.

4)	Within 60 days you will receive over $50,000.00 in CASH.  Keep a 
copy of this file for yourself so that you can use it again when you are 
in need of money(remember this service is perfectly legal).  As soon as 
you mail out these letters you are automatically in the mail order 
business and people are sending you $1.00 to be placed on your mailing 
list.  This list can then be rented to a list broker that can be found on 
in the Yellow Pages for additional income on a regular basis.  The list 
will become more and more valuable as it grows in size.  REMINDER: This 
is a SERVICE.  This is perfectly legal.  If you have any doubts, please 
refer to Title 18, Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal laws.

Note:  Make sure that you retain EVERY Name and Address sent to you, 
either on computer or hard copy, but do not discard the names and notes 
that they sent you.  This is PROOF that you are truly providing a service 
and should the IRS or some other Govt. agency question you, you can 
provide them with this proof.

Remember as each post is downloaded and the instructions carefully 
followed, five members will be reimbursed for their participation as a 
List Developer with one dollar each.  Your name will move up the list 
geometrically so that when your name reaches the number 5 position, you 
will be receiving thousands of dollars in cash.

This is the list:

1.	Robert Shields
	30106 Merchant Ct.
	Great Falls, VA 22066

2.	Simon Pettibone
	2705 East Side Dr.
	Alexandria, VA 22308

3.	Mike Baker
	8513 Crown Place,
	Alexandria, VA 22308

4.	Tony Tran
	P.O. Box 26392
	Santa Ana, CA 92799

5.	Sean A. Smiley
	2950 East Texas St. Box 520
	Bossier City, LA 71111

6.	B. Biggie
	12039 Greywing Square, Apt. C1
	Reston, VA 22901

7.	Jesse Hammond
	P.O. Box 961
	Marcola, OR 97454

8.	Starlite Inc.
	Watford, Ont.
	NOM 2S0
	P.O. Box 663

9.	Than Chen
	3101 S. Griset Place
	Santa Ana, CA 92704

10.	Adrian G. Ababa
	Flat 209,
	Turnpike Lane, Beeston,
	Nottingham, UK
	NG9 2RX

The following letters were written by participating members in this program:

To whom it may concern,

About 6 months ago, I received the enclosed post in letter form.  I 
ignored it.  I received a about 5 more of the same letter within the next 
2 weeks.  I ignored them also. 

 Of course, I was tempted to follow 
through and dreamed of making thousands, but I was convinced that it was 
just another gimmick and that it could not possibly work.  I was wrong!  
About 3 weeks later, I saw this same letter posted on a local bulletin 
board in Montreal.  I liked the idea of giving it a try with my 
computer.  I did not expect much because I figured, if other people were 
as skeptical as I, they would not be too quick to part with $5.00.  But, 
I buy lottery tickets weekly in my province and have nothing to show for 
it. but ticket stubs.  This week, I decided to look at this as my weekly 
lottery purchase. 

 I addressed the envelopes and mailed out one dollar in 
each as directed.  2 weeks went by and I did not receive anything in the 
mail.  The fourth week rolled around and I could not believe what 
happened!!  I can't say that I received $50,000 but it was definitely 
above $35,000!!!  For the first time in my life, I got out of debt and it 
was great!  Of course it did not take me long to go through my earnings 
so I am using this excellent opportunity to make money again.  Follow the 
instructions and get ready to enjoy!  

Please send a copy of this letter along with the enclosed letter so 
together we can convince people who are skeptical that it really works!

Yours sincerely,
Charles Kust
St. Agathe Que.

Another letter:

I tried a similar program in which the cost was $5.00 per response.  In 
that, the return was about 3%.  Since I did not have a modem, I sent out 
the letters regular mail.  I created mailing labels with Appleworks and 
printed out the labels on pressure sensitive tape.  The first mailing 
that I used the $1 per response approach I started to get return mail in 
just over 1 week!!  I sent out 200 letters instead of 100 that is 
required if you use the mail instead of the bulletin boards.  
Additionally, I included as many friends, relatives, classmates that I 
could think of in order to encourage their participation if they happened 
to recognise my name, so that my percentage gain was higher.  I am trying 
again with 500 letters to see if I surpass the $141,000 of the last 
time.  You just won't believe it until you try.

Best Wishes,

Mark Garner,
Dallas, Texas.

Additional Notes:

This system works equally well if mailed out manually.  Mind you it takes 
more effort to hand address the envelopes and the cost goes up 
proportionately to cover the postage and envelopes.  You must also photo 
copy the instructions, cross out the name in the number 1 position, write 
in your name in the number 10 slot and change the rest of the numbers 
accordingly (It might be neater to use white out or paste over the names).
In order to acheive the same results, you must send out another 100 
letters with copies of the program enclosed.  It has been suggested not 
to put a return address on the outside of the envelope in order to 
encourage the receipient to open it.  The return will approximate that 
then received from the posts listed on the bulletin boards.

Another letter:

Hello, my name is Steve Prester. As you may have noticed I'm the tenth 
name on this list and so I do not have a rags to riches story to tell 
here.  However, I did make a phone call to the 2nd name on the list, 
Ernest Goyette.  Did he have a rags to riches story to tell?  Not 
exactly, but then I found out that he did not follow the instructions 
precisely.  You see, Ernest lost his faith in the program before he 
finished following the instructions.  He only uploaded the file on 1 BBS, 
which happens to be operated by Darryl McGinnis, the 3rd name on this 
list.  Ernest told me that he has received $92.00 to date (1/6/90).  I 
realised that this is far from the $50,000 promised at the first of this 
file, yet one must keep two things in mind:

1.	$92.00 is almost 10 times his initial investment, and it only 
	took about an hour of his time.(there's nothing to lose)

2.	This program works mathematically on an exponential basis.  In 
	other words, for every one BBS that this file is uploaded into, 
	it should spread to at least 10 other BBS and possibly a whole 
	lot more.  So, if Ernest had uploaded his file on all 10 BBS, he 
	should have at least gotten a 100-fold of what he has, which 
	would have been $9200.00  Not bad for a few hours of work and a 
	$6.25 investment(including postage).

Finally, I would like to exhort those who become involved in this program 
to maintain its integrity by being honest.  It is the only way that it 
can possibly pay off.  In other words, be sure to enter your name and 
address at the bottom of the list and not in the top 5 positions ( 
actually you would be robbing yourself since it is while your name is at 
the lower position that it gets multiplied exponentially to over 100 
BBSs).  And of course, send your money to the first 5 names.  As I write 
this, I have not made a penny (that's because I have not uploaded this 
yet), but I thought that you might like to hear from someone at the 
bottom of the list, instead of someone claiming rag to riches.  I hope 
that such is true, and I'm sure that it will be if we all stick with it.  
The potential is definitely here!!

   

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From stan_hurton@mindlink.bc.ca Thu Oct  5 23:06:16 EDT 1995
Article: 876 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: stan_hurton@mindlink.bc.ca (Surf)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: FREE! T-1 connection and other computer stuff!!!
Date: 3 Oct 1995 15:45:38 GMT
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Well, it wasn't *quite* free... it cost me $1.50.

And it cost the people you made to call the no. more than twice what 
you got paid for you T1.

OK, so maybe this is a little off topic, but I was so damn stunned when I
tried this that I figured I had to share it with folks in the groups I
hang out in.

Like most of you, I have a lot of clip art and other picture files on my
hard drive -- so many images from Usenet, in fact, that I really needed to
get both a good T1 connection and a massive hard drive to manage it all.

Yeah, right -- like I had any money to do that!

Anyway, a guy I trust turned me onto a company called InterLink and told
me to call them at 011-24-831-3131 (it's a Canadian number and the toll
charge isn't much). The call has a fee of $1.50, which irked me at
first... until he explained how InterLink works.

A recording gives you instructions on what to to. When asked to enter the
account number of the person who gave you this number, enter 511451 --
that's my account number, and it's how I got my new T1 connection and 1GB
hard drive.

Let met explain. The recording will give you your own account number, then
it'll record your name and address. Here's where it gets VERY cool!

For every call made to this number, InterLink receives $1.50... 50 cents
goes to the account number you type in (in the case of your call, to me).
Of course, now that you've got YOUR OWN account number, you'll want to
have people call and type in YOUR account number -- get out there and
publicize this incredible system with YOUR account number, and start
making money!

It gets better. You get 50 cents for everyone who calls and types in your
account number, but when they get people to type in THEIR account number
you get 25 cents of that as well, PLUS 25 cents off everyone THEY get to
call.

Here's the math: If you get 100 people to call (damned easy to do), then
you get $50 dollars. If they each get 100 people to call, then you get
$2,500. If THEY each get 100 people to call then you get $250,000.

Honestly, folks... I have never done a chain letter in my life. I don't
buy lottery tickets. I WOULD NEVER HAVE TRIED THIS IF A FRIEND HADN'T
SUGGESTED IT. But it works. I've made enough to get my coveted T1 internet
connection, my 1GB hard drive and a LOT of other cool stuff in just a few
weeks.

If you're over 18, try it -- hell, it's only $1.50 and it's absolutely the
best investment you'll ever make. The number is open 24 hours a day, so do
it now. Hope you make as much as I am!









From Drfist@ilhawaii.net Thu Oct  5 23:06:17 EDT 1995
Article: 877 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: Drfist@ilhawaii.net (R..H.Faust)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Re: Citrus Fruit Suppliers.
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:56:50 -1000
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In article <812627641snz@pauley.demon.co.uk>, Wayne@pauley.demon.co.uk wrote:

>         W. Pauley & Co the leading suppliers of chilled fresh produce in the
> U.K. are looking for citrus exporters from Turkey and Cyprus. Can anyone 
> interested or who knows of someone suitable please respond asap.
> -- 
> W. Pauley & Co Ltd
How about organic citrus from Belize?


From allison@en.com Thu Oct  5 23:06:20 EDT 1995
Article: 878 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: allison@en.com (Allison Proctor)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Coconut varieties
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 08:45:29 GMT
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I recently saw a documentary that took place in the Caribbean.  A
large fruit (maybe as big as someone's head?) that looked very heavy,
smooth and green was chopped from a tree, cut open, and a clear liquid
was poured into a glass. There was something dark inside the fruit,
but I couldn't tell what it was.  The fruit was irregularly shaped,
but generally round. Someone told me that this was a variety of
coconut, but I never saw a green coconut. Does anyone know if there is
more than one type of coconut? What kind of fruit would this have been
if it wasn't a coconut?

Allison



From SHolder@netcom.com Thu Oct  5 23:06:21 EDT 1995
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From: SHolder@netcom.com (Steve Holder)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: O.J. Simpson is found innocent, find out all about it on the WWW http://www.ojcollect.com
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O.J. Simpson is found innocent, find out all about it on the WWW
http://www.ojcollect.com



From Wayne@pauley.demon.co.uk Thu Oct  5 23:06:22 EDT 1995
Article: 880 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: "W. Pauley & Co Ltd" <W@pauley.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Citrus Fruit Suppliers.
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	W. Pauley & Co the leading suppliers of chilled fresh produce in the
U.K. are looking for citrus exporters from Turkey and Cyprus. Can anyone 
interested or who knows of someone suitable please respond asap.
-- 
W. Pauley & Co Ltd


From 1dantda@uvsc.edu Thu Oct  5 23:06:23 EDT 1995
Article: 881 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: 1dantda@uvsc.edu (DAVID D'ANTONIO)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: MONEY THRU A PHONE CALL
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:03:32 GMT
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Its based on a phone call.

JUST DIAL: ... 011-24-831-3131  (The call is to Canada.  It is supposed to 
cost a flat rate of $1.50) - touch tone

 What do you have to loose??? its just a dollar fifty!!

You only need to call only once. 

The computer will ask you to enter the number of the person that told you 
about this.  Just type.

065555

Then what happens is, the computer will generate a personal number for you.
Whenever someone you tell calls up to get started... You get 50 cents of their 
call. Whenever someone calls up off of that person you get 25 cents of that 
call.

if 100 people call off of you:  you get ------>     $50.00
if 100 people get another 100 people------>     $2,500
if those get another 100 to do it you get-->     $250,000

This is the first time I am trying it,
but hey what do I have to loose, its just a buck fifty.

PS. USE NEWSGROUPS YOU CAN REACH A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WAY.
 



From rokige@airmail.net Thu Oct  5 23:06:24 EDT 1995
Article: 882 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: rokige@airmail.net (rodney george)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Re: passion fruit cultivation
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 00:47:14 GMT
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mprice@sterinfo.com (Mark Price) wrote:

>does anyone know if and where passion fruit is cultivated in the United 
>states? any info is appreciated! thanks!


any where that it does not get below 60 degrees  F.
Houston ,  southern florida  and lower califorina



From marketfarm@aol.com Sun Oct  8 01:12:04 EDT 1995
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From: marketfarm@aol.com (MarketFarm)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Farmer's Market Online Vol. 1 #16
Date: 3 Oct 1995 07:56:55 -0400
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FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE
Vol 1, Number 16, October 2, 1995
++++++++++++++++++++
Selected contents of the current issue of Farmer's Market Online, a
newsletter of farm-direct news and resources, are outlined below. Copies
of the e-mail edition are available free of charge and without obligation
by making a request to marketfarm@aol.com.
++++++++++++++++++++
	Open Market
	* Singular Possessive?
	* Red Lady Papaya
	* Hydroponics
	Bulletin Board
	* Farm Direct: Heifers and Candy
	* Growth Spurt: Brown Rot Resistance
	* Market Watch: Prices received, cheese, eggs
	* Meet the Farmer: Alan Reed, dairyman
	The Booths
	* Farm Produce (7 booths)
	* Specialty Foods (7 booths)
	* Crafts (3 booths)
	* Pets (1 booth)
	* Livestock (3 booths)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++











From me@yourhouse.com Sun Oct  8 01:12:05 EDT 1995
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From: me@yourhouse.com (lunker)
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Subject: just another one of those test things - readme.txt [1/1]
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From shashar@umbc.edu Sun Oct  8 01:12:06 EDT 1995
Article: 885 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: Nadav Shashar <shashar@umbc.edu>
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Subject: Boycott all french products- please forward
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:44:33 -0400
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It seems that the french govermment will keep on nucking the pacific at 
will with larger and larger "devices". International protest does not 
have any effect- maybe an economic protest will.
	I call on you to pledge to boycott ALL french products (not only 
wines) for a duration of time off your will.
	Take a personal commitment- for example:

	I- Nadav Shashar vow not to buy any french made product for the 
coming 12 months in protest of the french govermment nuclear testings.

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From egilding@lava.net Sun Oct  8 01:12:14 EDT 1995
Article: 886 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: egilding@lava.net (Edward K. Gilding)
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: Re: Coconut varieties
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 18:25:49 PST
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In article <44lasv$87t@antares.en.com>, allison@en.com says...
>
>I recently saw a documentary that took place in the Caribbean.  A
>large fruit (maybe as big as someone's head?) that looked very heavy,
>smooth and green was chopped from a tree, cut open, and a clear liquid
>was poured into a glass. There was something dark inside the fruit,
>but I couldn't tell what it was.  The fruit was irregularly shaped,
>but generally round. Someone told me that this was a variety of
>coconut, but I never saw a green coconut. Does anyone know if there is
>more than one type of coconut? What kind of fruit would this have been
>if it wasn't a coconut?
>
>Allison
>
That sounds like a coconut to me, coconuts are part of the palm family 
with dates, betel nut palm and raphis palms.  The fruit in this family 
usually consists of a fiberous, dryish and thin fleshed covering over a 
hard seed.  Coconut plants have the largest seed in the plant family, and 
one of the most widespread and useful plants.  The fruit is greenish(or 
orangey yellow if it was exposed to alot of sun) and is usually three 
sided.  The "coconut" is a large brown fiber covered seed in the center. 
The seed is extremely hard and has a thin layer of white meat (coconut 
meat) about 1/4"-1/2" thick,  inside is a small amount of liquid "coconut 
milk" or"juice".  The milk you buy in the store has some of the coconut 
meat puree mixed in. 

There are two main types of coconut, one is tall growing and rather thin 
trunked.  This variety is suspectible to some blight or something that 
kills them.  A second variety, which I believe is called "Samoan" that is 
resilient to that disease and stays much shorter than the afore mentioned 
variety(and thus it doesn't need to be de-nutted, the taller growing one 
is actually a health hazard as the falling nuts can seriously injure 
people beneath the tree).

They are pretty much the same.  There is another that is just a form of 
one of the above, it is extremely RARE.  Its varigated(It can bee seen in 
someones front yard on the isle of Oahu on the windward coast.)



From rswhitaker@pplant.ucdavis.edu Sun Oct  8 01:12:19 EDT 1995
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From: rswhitaker@pplant.ucdavis.edu (Robert Whitaker)
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Subject: Re: passion fruit cultivation
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In article <44k6gp$9va@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, mprice@sterinfo.com 
says...
>
>does anyone know if and where passion fruit is cultivated in the United 
>states? any info is appreciated! thanks!

I know that there is some small-scale cultivation in the San Diego, CA 
area. Also Hawaii (where it is known as lilikoi) produces some passion 
fruit commercially. I imagine that there is some cultivation in the 
south-east (florida) as well.

					-RSW



From weichen Sun Oct  8 01:12:20 EDT 1995
Article: 888 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: Kyle Chen <weichen>
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Subject: French isn't the first one
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when everyone here is stupidly shouting out to block French government's
nuclear tests, have they thought about how the usa government gained the
technology to build the nucler weapons which it certainly has the biggest
nuclear weapons in the world. 

The nuclear weapons aren't something that can be tested in just a tiny lab.
French scienctist need places to gain the crucial data of the nuclear weapons.
and it is fair for them to go aboard, because they don't have any useful land
that in their own country to test. 

I just want to remind everyone that don't be fooled by the simple fact, just
remember that no matter how the French scientists do, they still won't produce
enough nuclear weapons usa has. 

So it is just a matter of time, the usa government has already done so, so it
doesn't want others to do it. They want to block the French's nuclear test, it
is not for the peace. because in that way, french won't be able to gain the
technology that can balance the only world super power. 

So if you can think this way, you can analysis for yourself that if you have
been fooled by someone else or were just angered by what the Frenchmen are
going to do?



From michel@io.org Sun Oct  8 01:12:21 EDT 1995
Article: 889 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: michel@io.org (Michel Maisonneuve)
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Subject: Re: Boycott all french products- please forward
Date: 5 Oct 1995 23:56:35 GMT
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In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.951005092237.25355A-100000-100000@umbc7.umbc.edu>,
   Nadav Shashar <shashar@umbc.edu> wrote:
>It seems that the french govermment will keep on nucking the pacific at 
>will with larger and larger "devices". International protest does not 
>have any effect- maybe an economic protest will.
>	I call on you to pledge to boycott ALL french products (not only 
>wines) for a duration of time off your will.
>	Take a personal commitment- for example:
>
>	I- Nadav Shashar vow not to buy any french made product for the 
>coming 12 months in protest of the french govermment nuclear testings.

I would like the french government to try nuclear devices away from
Polynesia

How about bombing this F.animal ?


From cforbes@ibm.net Sun Oct  8 01:12:22 EDT 1995
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In <451q45$1ki@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ken1842@aol.com (Ken1842) writes:
>What about those of us who operate french restaurants here in the U.S.?
>Should we pay the price for the French "government's" mistakes?


No, as long as you use American or any other kind of products, except for French
ones. Nobody has anything to say about the culture. French cuisine could be done 
with American products also. It is easy, isn't it?


Cforbes




From ken1842@aol.com Sun Oct  8 01:12:23 EDT 1995
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What about those of us who operate french restaurants here in the U.S.?
Should we pay the price for the French "government's" mistakes?


From scdmcclu@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu Sun Oct  8 01:12:24 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: French isn't the first one
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In article <45438r$er1@usc.edu>, Kyle Chen  <weichen> wrote:
>when everyone here is stupidly shouting out to block French government's
>nuclear tests, have they thought about how the usa government gained the
>technology to build the nucler weapons which it certainly has the biggest
>nuclear weapons in the world. 
>
>The nuclear weapons aren't something that can be tested in just a tiny lab.


No . . . but your apartment might be a suitable place.  (Considering all
of the cross posts on the original, I should probably also cross this
over to alt.tasteless but . . . I don't want to reintroduce those people
to this group . . . again.)

Kyle, get your groups right.  (I'd think you were trolling IF I thought
you were smart enough to act this stupid, but its got to be natural.)

scott m.
LCA  ZI 771
ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK KU!


From Ken.Finney@helix.eskimo.com Sun Oct  8 01:12:25 EDT 1995
Article: 893 of alt.agriculture.fruit
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From: Ken.Finney@helix.eskimo.com (Ken Finney)
Date: 03 Oct 95 11:51:00 
Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit
Subject: black walnuts
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The variety you are asking about is (I believe) Purdue #1.  Purdue University
developed it and leased the right to propogate it to a 
single company.  I don't have the company's name or address handy, I'll
upload it in another message in the next few days.  These trees are not
cheap, however.


From sals@rain.org Sun Oct  8 01:12:26 EDT 1995
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From: sal  schettino <sals@rain.org>
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I like this group because I love fruit trees and like reading about growing them but 
boy this group sure get the junk mail.  Make money fast stfuff and all kinds of adds 
 about everything but fruit. I wounder why!



From seamusotig@internet-eireann.ie Sun Oct  8 01:12:27 EDT 1995
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ken1842@aol.com (Ken1842) wrote:

>What about those of us who operate french restaurants here in the U.S.?
>Should we pay the price for the French "government's" mistakes?


Ah fuck yer restaurants - but should we boycott french letters?
#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
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From vance@aloha.net Sun Oct  8 01:12:29 EDT 1995
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From: Byron Vance <vance@aloha.net>
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Subject: Re: passion fruit cultivation
Date: 6 Oct 1995 07:43:59 GMT
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There are several plantations in Hawaii




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On 5 Oct 1995, Ken1842 wrote:

> What about those of us who operate french restaurants here in the U.S.?
> Should we pay the price for the French "government's" mistakes?
>=20
>=20

Write an official letter of protest to the French embassy and then post a=
=20
copy of that letter at the entrance of your restaurant.  I have myself=20
made a FF500,- donation to a environmental party in France (MEI) and=20
wrote a letter to the MP Gerard Cherpion.  I think your case is enough to=
=20
bring the attention of French people that there are growing resentment=20
outside France against what the CEA (commissariat a l=B4energie=20
atomique) people are doing.

Christian Labadie


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Kyle Chen (weichen) wrote:
: when everyone here is stupidly shouting out to block French government's
: nuclear tests, have they thought about how the usa government gained the
: technology to build the nucler weapons which it certainly has the biggest
: nuclear weapons in the world. 

: The nuclear weapons aren't something that can be tested in just a tiny lab.
: French scienctist need places to gain the crucial data of the nuclear weapons.
: and it is fair for them to go aboard, because they don't have any useful land
: that in their own country to test. 

: I just want to remind everyone that don't be fooled by the simple fact, just
: remember that no matter how the French scientists do, they still won't produce
: enough nuclear weapons usa has. 

: So it is just a matter of time, the usa government has already done so, so it
: doesn't want others to do it. They want to block the French's nuclear test, it
: is not for the peace. because in that way, french won't be able to gain the
: technology that can balance the only world super power. 

: So if you can think this way, you can analysis for yourself that if you have
: been fooled by someone else or were just angered by what the Frenchmen are
: going to do?
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You're exactly right and exactly wrong.  Yes, the US did extensively
test nuclear weapons during the Cold War.  But, it is precisely for
this reason that the French should not test their nuclear weapons.  We
now know that it was wrong for the Americans to have tested and for
the French to test in the face of that is, well, completely
wrong.  So please don't defend something that has been proven to be
wrong..
				Rumble
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From rwarner@cix.compulink.co.uk Sun Oct  8 01:12:33 EDT 1995
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Would you please stop sending this b*llo*cks!


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And this b*ll*cks


From YWTM48B@prodigy.com Sun Oct  8 01:12:36 EDT 1995
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I can't find Brandt's Fruit Trees on the WWW.  Could you please repost 
the URL?



From ed.itle@altoona.com Sun Oct  8 01:12:37 EDT 1995
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hi steph, this is merlin.
how are things going.
snoopy, said (hi).
and everybody else said <hi>.

        see ya soon,
          MERLIN
F


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What has this got to do with me?


From weichen@phakt.usc.edu Sun Oct  8 01:12:39 EDT 1995
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