From samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!hawnews.watson.ibm.com!news Thu Nov 11 23:55:54 EST 1993 Article: 221 of triangle.gardens Newsgroups: triangle.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!hawnews.watson.ibm.com!news From: SJGALLA@STEVEG.RALEIGH.IBM.COM Subject: Re: Compost Worms? Sender: news@hawnews.watson.ibm.com (NNTP News Poster) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 13:10:16 GMT Lines: 12 Reply-To: SGALLAGHER@RTP.VNET.IBM.COM Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. References: <2bmsm9$7fq@inxs.concert.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: steveg.raleigh.ibm.com Organization: LAN Interconnect Product group, RTP NC X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.00 In , jon@stella.unx.sas.com (Jon Allen) writes: Thanks, I'll give em a buzz. And no, all the books I've read ( can you tell I'm a newbie? :-) say your basic red earthworms will do the trick, which if my recollection of roadside signs serves me correctly, is a pretty common bait worm. Hmm, we're going to visit relatives in Myrtle Beach this weekend and the road from 95 to the beach is crawling ( pun intended ) with live worm signs! Think I'll pop in and see what's what. Steve Gallagher From hartman@das.harvard.edu Fri Nov 12 18:34:42 EST 1993 Article: 24172 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!das!hartman From: hartman@das.harvard.edu (Anthony Hartman) Subject: Re: Book: Fragrant/Showy Exotics? Message-ID: <1993Nov10.222335.792@das.harvard.edu> Sender: usenet@das.harvard.edu (Network News) Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University References: <2bh1cp$doo@garuda.csulb.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 22:23:35 GMT Lines: 16 I haven't seen it myself but "Scent in Your Garden (Little, Brown; $40) by Stephen Lacey has a section on tender plants for greenhouses and USDA zones 9 and 10. Tovah Martin of Logee's Greenhouses published a book on scented flowers a couple years ago. I don't recall the title. Logee's has a nice color catalog which features exotics. It costs $3.00, but that is applicable to the first order. Logee's. Greenhouses Dept. C North St. Danielson. CT 06239 -- Tony Hartman hartman@harvard.harvard.edu From SERIUS@applelink.apple.com Fri Nov 12 18:35:15 EST 1993 Article: 24177 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!fastpath5.npd.provo.novell.com!user From: SERIUS@applelink.apple.com (Eric Herrmann) Subject: Re: seed catalogs Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.gardens Sender: usenet@Provo.Novell.COM (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: fastpath5.npd.provo.novell.com Organization: Novell - AppWare Systems Group References: <2blr81$pho@news.aero.org> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 04:24:17 GMT Lines: 23 In article <2blr81$pho@news.aero.org>, macheske@aerospace.aero.org (Richard M. Macheske) wrote: > Could someone send me a list of seed catalogs and how to > acquire them? If you tell me which is your favorite I would > also appreciate that. > Rick Rick, I'm new to the net. Can you subscribe to lists? If so, send an e-mail message to LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU (sorry, I don't know the Bitnet address). In the body of the message type SUBSCRIBE GARDENS . On this list you will find a very lengthy list of seed catalogs. Try reading the most recent archives. If you are not able to get to this list, post back to me and I'll see if I can figure out how to get you a copy. Good luck! Valori Roberts -- From DANIELRS@delphi.com Sat Nov 13 21:04:42 EST 1993 Article: 24148 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: DANIELRS@delphi.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Grapevines for Winemaking Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 23:24:22 EST Organization: Delphi Internet Lines: 14 Message-ID: <931109.84262.DANIELRS@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: delphi.com I live on the East Coast, and currently desire to plant a small vineyard in my backyard. I currently have a few vines growing well (they are clones of the french hybrid millot) and would like to purchase some chancellor and chambourcin vines for blending purposes. Unfortunately the nursery I dealt with is out of business. I would GREATLY appreciate' it if anyone out there could send me (preferably by email) the address of some quality nurseries that sell french hybrid grapevines. Thanks in advance [C From samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!nstassen Sat Nov 20 19:30:27 EST 1993 Article: 24128 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!nstassen From: nstassen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicki A Stassen Lantz) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Arisaema and Rare Seed Catalog Date: 9 Nov 1993 13:18:47 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <2bo5bn$k9c@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article jan@UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU (JAN CR ISPIN) writes: >Kris, >Does the J. Hudson catalog carry the Arisaema variety `Candidissimum' ( >unsure of spelling)? It has a white spathe which is striped with red/dark >pink. I have never seen one, but there is an illustration in Graham Stuart >Thomas's book on perennials. I have been searching for this variety for >over a year. > >Jan Since I have the catalog right in front of me today (getting ready to order yet more stuff!), I'll answer this Q. No, the January 1993 catalog doesn't have the Arisaema 'Candidissimum' listed. Here are the listed varieties (1.50$ per packet): Arisaema consanguineum Arisaema flavum Arisaema helleborifolium Arisaema jacquemontii Arisaema tortuosum Arisaema Wallichianum The catalog costs $1.00, is about 93 pages, LOTS of listings, shipping and handling is $1.00 for up to 20 seed packets. (this probably listed in the FAQ): The 1993 Ethnobotanical Catalog of Seeds J. L. Hudson, Seedsman P.O. box 1058 Redwood City, CA 94064 Nicki From samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!wujek!kk Sat Nov 20 19:31:04 EST 1993 Article: 24140 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!wujek!kk From: kk@wujek.durham.nc.us (Krzysztof Kozminski) Subject: Re: Arisaema and Rare Seed Catalog Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 17:15:58 GMT References: <2bo5bn$k9c@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Relative Software, Inc. Lines: 42 >In jan@UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU > (JAN CRISPIN) writes: >>Does the J. Hudson catalog carry the Arisaema variety `Candidissimum' I tried e-mail, but it bounced twice, hence this public reply. In <2bo5bn$k9c@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> (Nicki A Stassen Lantz) has listed the Arisaemas from the most recen (1993) Hudson's catalog; I'll also add that they had A.concinnuum in 1992 and they had some leftovers that did not merit inclusion in the 1993 catalog. Other sources, just in case: Chiltern has: A. amurense, concinnuum, consanguineum, flavum, helleborifolium, japonicum, lobatum, speciosum, tortuosum, Wallichianum. Parks has A. sikokianum. Camellia Forest has A.ringens (plants, not seeds, $6 apiece). Addresses of all are in FAQ. Does any of the Arisaema fans know of other available seed sources? KK ----------- PS: Jan, you might want to check why POSTMASTER@PCMAILGW.cc.utah.edu insists: >>> User JAN@UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU does not exist. The above happened when I e-mailed to jan@UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU. When I tried uucp-style path UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU!jan@u.cc.utah.edu (from your article header), my mail server said: While talking to u.cc.utah.edu: ... User unknown Something seems wrong with mail forwarding via cc.utah.edu. ------------ -- Kris Kozminski (kk@wujek.durham.nc.us) "Limit congressmen to two terms. One in office. One in jail." From clarke@lsl.co.uk Wed Nov 24 21:18:13 EST 1993 Article: 24344 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!pipex!uknet!lsl!clarke From: clarke@lsl.co.uk Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Carnivorous Plant email list Message-ID: <1993Nov19.135127.3944@lsl.co.uk> Date: 19 Nov 93 13:51:27 +0100 Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge Lines: 8 Do any rec.gardens readers know what has happened to the email list server on Carnivorous Plants? The list address was cp@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (don't post lots of stuff to that - if it works, then lots of people would get it). There has been no traffic for quite a while now, and I've tried mailing the listserv address (to subscribe etc.) with no response to far. From epur01@email.mot.com Wed Nov 24 21:18:20 EST 1993 Article: 24351 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!mcdphx!schbbs!NewsWatcher!user From: epur01@email.mot.com (Don Burns) Subject: Re: Carnivorous Plant email list Organization: MOTOROLA Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 14:45:30 GMT Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.gardens References: <1993Nov19.135127.3944@lsl.co.uk> Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News) Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.2.136.33 Lines: 18 In article <1993Nov19.135127.3944@lsl.co.uk>, clarke@lsl.co.uk wrote: > Do any rec.gardens readers know what has happened to the email > list server on Carnivorous Plants? The list address was > cp@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (don't post lots of stuff to that - if > it works, then lots of people would get it). > > There has been no traffic for quite a while now, and I've tried > mailing the listserv address (to subscribe etc.) with no > response to far. ------------- The correct address is cp@opus.hpl.hp.com -- Don Burns It's not the return ON the money epur01@email.mot.com that worries me. It's the return OF the money. -- Will Rogers From malouf@estd.nrl.navy.mil Wed Nov 24 21:18:28 EST 1993 Article: 24350 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!ra!estd.nrl.navy.mil!malouf From: malouf@estd.nrl.navy.mil (MALOUF, PERRY) Subject: Re: Carnivorous Plant email list Message-ID: <22NOV199311011275@estd.nrl.navy.mil> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: ESTD - Naval Research Laboratory, Washington DC References: <1993Nov19.135127.3944@lsl.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 16:01:00 GMT Lines: 19 In article <1993Nov19.135127.3944@lsl.co.uk>, clarke@lsl.co.uk writes... >Do any rec.gardens readers know what has happened to the email >list server on Carnivorous Plants? The list address was >cp@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (don't post lots of stuff to that - if >it works, then lots of people would get it). > >There has been no traffic for quite a while now, and I've tried >mailing the listserv address (to subscribe etc.) with no >response to far. I'm a subscriber to that list, and as far as I can tell it is still up and running. I have not tried mailing the listserver, though. The listserv operator, in response to another subscriber's recent inquiry, mentioned that some work had been done to the listserver but now everything is fine. (I don't remember the details of what was done, when it was done, and how long the listserver was out of commission.) The last messages I received were just this morning, U. S. Eastern Standard Time 0700. From libby@igc.apc.org Wed Nov 24 21:18:50 EST 1993 Article: 24345 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!sgi!cdp!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: rec.gardens Date: 21 Nov 93 13:14 PST Subject: Re: Apricot Trees Message-ID: <1453300395@cdp> References: <753503794.AA00744@clone.his.com> Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 3 You can prune your apricot in Feb. Mar. before it's buds start expanding or in summer after it fruits. Libby From psmith@alfred.carleton.ca Wed Nov 24 21:19:11 EST 1993 Article: 24352 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!psmith From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) Subject: Seed Potato Sources in Canada Message-ID: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 16:02:02 GMT Lines: 24 Hello I have tried seed potatoes from T&T Seed Co and from a local general store. However, for next season, I would like to check out the selection and prices from other sources (preferably Canadian). If it is not too much to ask, I'd like to know a bit about your favourite source: 1) address/name 2) do they have good variety? 3) quantity discounts? (I may grow as much as a quarter acre) 4) do they explain attributes of each variety in catalogue? (eg: good keepers, bakers, etc...) Thanks in advance I'll try to repost synopsis if I get many personal responses. P.S. My best tasting last year was Norland (early red) Least damage (underground) was Kennebec (late white) From bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Wed Nov 24 21:19:24 EST 1993 Article: 24366 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Wanted ELINE Lettuce Message-ID: <48.2cf1edb0@axolotl> Date: 22 Nov 93 12:37:12 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 38 camg2.icgmfg.mke.ab.com (Al Fulmer) writes: > I'm looking for a seed source for "Eline" lettuce. It is a butter head > lettuce that used to be available from Burpee Seed Company, but they no > longer carry it. > > Any suggestions for alternative sources would be very much appreciated. Try any/all the following sources. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE COOK'S GARDEN [CAT - $1] PO Box 65 Londondery, VT 05148 (802) 824-3400 ---------- LE JARDIN DU GOURMET [CAT - $.50] PO Box 75 St. Johnsbury Center, VT 05863 ---------- SHEPARD'S GARDEN SEEDS [CAT - $1.50] 6116 Highway 9 Felton, CA 95018 (203) 482-3638 (408) 335-5400 ---------- VILMORIN-ANDRIEUX ETS. [CAT - FREE] Poste 399 La Menitre', 49520 Beaufort-En-Valle, France 41 475-221 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address From bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Wed Nov 24 21:19:32 EST 1993 Article: 24367 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Morus Rubra--red mulberry Message-ID: <50.2cf1edb2@axolotl> Date: 22 Nov 93 12:38:32 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 51 To: ALICIAM@MAINE.MAINE.EDU In a message of 01 Nov 93 you write: > Have posted this question before with no response; hoping > that someone can answer this for me. > > We lost a 100 year old red mulberry tree two years ago. > Have hunted high and low for a place to buy another; no > one seems to carry them! Ours was considered by a local > landscaper to be a "mutant", as it was much larger than > normal and also should not even have survived our climate > (zone 5) in the first place. Mail-order sources for the Red Mulberry (Morus rubra) are as follows. ---------- FORESTFARM NURSERY [CAT - $3] 990 Tetherow Road Williams, OR 97544 Tel: 503-846-7269 ---------- LOUISIANA NURSERY [CAT - $5] Route 7, Box 43 Opelousas, LA 70570 Tel: 318-948-3696 ---------- F.W. SCHUMACHER CO., INC. [CAT - $1] 36 Spring Hill Road Sandwich, MA 02563-1023 Tel: 508-888-0659 FAX: 508-833-0322 NOTE! This source is probably your best bet in starting your search. ---------- PS - According to a major reference book for landscapers called _Native Trees, Shrubs, and Vines for Urban and Rural Landscaping: A Planting Design Manual for Environmental Designers_ by Gary Hightshoe (ISBN 0-442-23274-8), the Red Mulberry (a.k.a. American Mulberry is hardy to USDA Zone 5b (-15 to -10 degrees farenheit) ON AVERAGE. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Under the most controlled conditions, the experimental apparatus will do exactly as it pleases. From bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Wed Nov 24 21:19:42 EST 1993 Article: 24368 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: searching for European bulb-sellers Message-ID: <52.2cf1edb4@axolotl> Date: 22 Nov 93 12:42:13 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 84 resta@iei.pi.cnr.it (Giovanni Resta) writes: > I've read the bulbs-catalogs file at sunsite. It's fine. > But living in europe (and being postal service quite slow) it will > better > for me an european company. > Has anybody some address of bulbs-sellers? > I'm interested ONLY in botanic species (no cultivars) of bulbs from any > country. P & J CHRISTIAN [CAT - 3 English Pounds] P.O. Box 468 Wrexham, Clwyd LL11 3DP North Wales, U.K. Tel: 0978 366-399 This source specializes in rare and unusual species bulbs, corms, rhizomes and tubers. ---------- FRATELLI INGEGNOLI S.p.A. [CAT - FREE] Corso Buenos Aires, 54 Milano 20124 Italy ---------- NURSERYMAN'S HAVEN [CAT - FREE] Kalimpong 734301 India Tel: 03552-435 Although this company is not in Europe, it is a large supplier of exotic flowering bulbs. ---------- POTTERTON & MARTIN [CAT - $3US] The Cottege Nursery Moortown Road, Nettleton Caistor, Lincs. LN7 6HX England, U.K. ---------- AVON BULBS [CAT - $3US] Upper Westwood Bradford-on-Avon, England BA15 2AT Tel: (02216) 3723 ---------- BROADLEIGH GARDENS [CAT - $1US] Bar House, Bishops Hull Taunton, Somerset, England TA4 1AE Tel: (0823) 286231 ---------- CHADWELL HIMALAYAN SEED [CAT - 4 IRC] 81 Parlaunt Road Slough, Berks., England SL3 8BE Tel: (0753) 42823 ---------- SOUTHWEST SEEDS [CAT - FREE] 200 Spring Road, Kempston Bedford, England MK42 8ND Tel: (0234) 58970 ---------- B & T ASSOCIATES [CAT - 2 IRC] Whitnell House, Fiddington Bridgewater Somerset TA5 1JE England, U.K. Tel: (278) 733-209 ---------- CHILTERN SEEDS [CAT - $?] Bortree Stile Ulverston, Cumbria England LA12 7PB, U.K. Tel: 0229- 581-137 NOTE! The catalog is $3US for persons in the USA. I'm unsure what your cost would be. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Under the most controlled conditions, the experimental apparatus will do exactly as it pleases. From bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Wed Nov 24 21:19:54 EST 1993 Article: 24369 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Wanted: UNDEREXPLOITED TROPICAL PLANTS book Message-ID: <55.2cf1edb7@axolotl> Date: 22 Nov 93 12:46:23 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 42 Del_Col@ab.wvnet.edu (Jeff Del Col) writes: In a message of 02 Oct 93 you write in rec.gardens: > I will pay $15.00 for a copy of the book > UNDEREXPLOITED TROPICAL PLANTS OF POTENTIAL ECONOMIC VALUE. [TEXT DELETED] > I am also desperate to buy a copy of LOST CROPS OF THE INCAS and will > pay > original price ($24.95) for it in very good to excellent condition. According to info in the back of LOST CROPS OF THE INCAS, it's a BOSTID report. For more info about these reports, send your Name, Title, Institution, and Address to the following. Board on Science and Technology for International Development Publications and Information Services (HA-476E) Office of International Affairs National Research Council 2101 Constitution Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20418 USA I wrote to this address and was given 2 sources, one of which was agAccess. I don't recall the other name & I threw away the letter. I was able to buy a BRAND-NEW copy of LOST CROPS OF THE INCAS for $24.95 (plus shipping) in June of `93. They're probably your best bet on fiding both books. Their address is: agAcess P.O. Box 2008 Davis, CA 95617 Tel: 916-756-7177 FAX: 916-756-7188 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address From bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Wed Nov 24 21:20:16 EST 1993 Article: 24370 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Freezing Seeds Message-ID: <57.2cf1edb9@axolotl> Date: 22 Nov 93 12:48:58 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 88 fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) writes: > In article <1993Oct28.182253.18659@cobra.uni.edu> klier@cobra.uni.edu > writes: > >From: klier@cobra.uni.edu > >Subject: Re: Freezing Seeds? > >Date: 28 Oct 93 18:22:53 -0500 > > >In article <19931028145713EGV3MRH@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, > EGV3MRH@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Mark Horne) writes: > > came up with storing seeds in > >> a jar in the fridge with powdered milk. Said the seeds would keep > for > >> years, but you need to change the powdered milk annually. I guess > the > >> milk must absorb water, which could effect the seed's viability. The > >> caveat was to use a fresh box, not any leftovers in the cabinet, as > >> some moisture could already have crept in. The drying ability of the powdered milk is less then 10% as effective as silica gel. > > >If the seeds are in a paper envelope (not a foil pak like many > nowdays), > >just put the envelope in the jar with the dessicant. Personally, I > >save those little packets of silica gel (which can be dried in an > >oven) for such purposes... though they usually seem to wind up in the > >case with the camera equipment, not in the seed storage containers. > > >Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI > > Is there a mailorder source for the dessicant packs? I saw them in a > catalog once but forgot where. SOUTHERN EXPOSURE SEED EXCHANGE [CAT - $3US] PO Box 158 North Garden, VA 22959 Tel: (804) 973-4703 FAX: (804) 973-4703 IMO, the best mail-order source for seed saving supplies. Color-Indicator Silica Gel 1/2 lb. $6.25 1 lb. $8.50 5 lb. $37.50 NOTE! These prices do not include shipping & handling charges. Another Source is Bountiful Gardens, 19550 Walker Road, Willits, CA; CAT- FREE. > ............................... The only other thing I can find is one > pound > canisters of the stuff used for drying whole flowers. This seems like a > bit > much of a muchness, especially at $8 a pound! Don't waste your money on this stuff. I bought some and it's too fine. When drying seeds in it, they're often get inter-mixed with the silica gel and are often lost. The gel made especially for seed savers is a larger and eacvh poellet is a little smaller then a BB. Although initially expensive, the color-indicating silica gel is easily dried in an oven and can be re-used. When the gel's completely dry, it's deep blue in color. As it absorbs moisture, it changes to pink. To dry seed, place equal weights of seed and silica gel together in an airtight jar for 7 or 8 days. Remove the seed and IMMEDIATELY store in an airtight, moisture-proof container such as a jar with a rubber gasketed lid. NOTE! The seed is not stored with the silica gel. Silica gel is re-activated by drying for eight hours in a 200 degree farenheit oven. Silica gel can also be easily dried in the microwave. It takes about 25 minutes to dry an 8 x 12-inch glass dish that is filled with silica gel to a depth of 1.5-2 inches. Just keep a close watch through the glass door on the color change from pink to deep blue. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Under the most controlled conditions, the experimental apparatus will do exactly as it pleases. From bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Wed Nov 24 21:20:54 EST 1993 Article: 24371 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Detergent and Corn Oil vs. Mealybugs Message-ID: <61.2cf1edbd@axolotl> Date: 22 Nov 93 12:51:15 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 26 Detergent and Corn Oil vs. Mealybugs Florida orchid grower Ann Mann suggests in the latest _Hobby Greenhouse_ a "kitchen remedy" for mealybugs: one tablespoon of INEXPENSIVE dishwashing detergent and one tablespoon of CORN oil (don't use any other kind of oil!) per gallon of water. Shake the mix and spray on plants infested with mealybugs or scale insects; it might also work for controlling aphids. Ms. Mann has seen no damage to orchids, bromeliads, aroids, or hoyas due to using the recipe on them. We'd [HortIdeas] be interested in hearing your results if you try this concoction on either indoor or outdoor plants. Reference: Ann Mann, "Mealies," _Hobby Greenhouse_ 15(4), Fall 1993, 8. (Hobby Greenhouse Association, 8 Glen Terrace, Bedford, MA 01730-2048.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reprinted with permission from the October 1993 _HortIdeas_. Copyright 1993 by Greg and Pat Williams. HortIdeas is $15 (2nd class mail within the USA) for one year (12 issues). For more information or a subscription, write: HortIdeas, 460 Black Lick Road, Gravel Switch, KY 40328, USA. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | E-mail address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address From bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Wed Nov 24 21:21:06 EST 1993 Article: 24373 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Tropical Fruits Message-ID: <66.2cf1edc2@axolotl> Date: 22 Nov 93 12:55:31 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 97 ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) writes: > I have come across a couple fruit species that I have never heard of and > would appreciate anyone with information about any of the following, > particularly in regard to eating quality and cultivation requirements: > Azanza garckeana (snot apple) According to _CORNUCOPIA: A Source Book of Edible Plants_ by Stephen Facciola (ISBN 0-9628087-0-9), this is also known as the RHODESIAN TREE HIBISCUS. "The sweet, mucilaginous pulp of the fruit is eaten, usually before it is quite ripe. Dried fruits are used for jellies. Southern Tropical Africa." The ONLY source I can find is as follows. B & T ASSOCIATES [CAT - 2 IRC] Whitnell House, Fiddington Bridgwater, Somerset TA5 1JE England United Kingdom Oh yes, other reference works to check are _Food from the Veld_ by F.W. Fox and M.E. Norwood Young, et al (1982, Delta Books, Johannesburg and Cape Town) and _Plants for Human Consumption_ by Gunther Kunkel (1984, Koeltz Scientific Books, Koenigstein, Germany). > Erythrina latissima (lucky bean) There's no mention of this particular Latin binomial in _CORNUCOPIA_, but is described in in _Hortus III_ as a small tree from Southern Africa. HOWEVER, this might be a plant called Basul or Erythrina edulis, and described in _Lost Crops of the Incas_ by the National Research Council (ISBN 0-309-04264-X). See pages 164 to 171. > Seminole This could possibly be the Seminole Pumpkin (Cucurbita moschata). It's described as "Small, globular fruit, 6 to 8 inches in diameter; slightly furrowed; skin hard, light buff-colored; flesh orange-red, fine-grained, sweet. Good boiled or steamed, excellent when baked. Stores extremely well, a waxy covering forming over the fruit. Highly productive vine; resistant to insects, drought and heavy tropical rains. Adapted to Deep South growing conditions. Found growing wild in Florida by early explorers and settlers. Now confined to the remote everglades." For further information, see "The Seminole Pumpkin" by A.T. Erwin and E.P. Lana. _Economic Botany_ 10(1): 33-37. > Bunchosia There are 2 plants in this genus. There's Ciruela del monte (Bunchosia argentea) with reddish-orange fruits that are not very juicy and are about the size of a quail egg. Also, there's Ciruela verde (Bunchosia armeniaca) with round, light green to orange fruits that have cream-colored, very sweet, rather cloying pulp that is eaten out of hand or made into preserves. For further reading, see: "Hancornia-Bunchosia" by Crafton Clift. _Rare Fruit Council International Newsletter_ 15. 46. _Perennial Edible Fruits of the Tropics: An Inventory_ by Franklin W. Martin, Carl W. Campbell, and Ruth M. Ruberte. (1987, U.S. Dept. of Agric. Handbook No. 642). > Sapodilla Manikara zapota is eaten fresh, preserved, dried, in custards, sherbets, ice cream, pies and muffins, or made into syrup, jams, or vinegar. The very young, leafy shoots are eaten raw or steamed. For cultural information, see: _Fruits of Warm Climates_ by Julia F. Morton, 1987. _Manual of Tropical & Subtropical Fruits_ by Wilson Popenoe. 1920 (Reprinted in 1974 by Hafner Press). > Seagrape Coccoloba uvifera may be eaten out of hand or used for juice, jams, drinks or syrup. Sea grape jelly has an attractive musky odor. A potent wine of good flavor can also be made from the fruits. For culture & culinary info, see: _The Gardener's Handbook of Edible Plants_ by Rosalind Creasy (ISBN 0-87156-758-X, Sierra Club Books, 1986), pages 265-266. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You might also contact: RARE FRUIT COUNCIL INTERNATIONAL, INC. c/o Carolyn Welch Betts P.O. Box 561914 Miami, FL 33256 AND/OR INDOOR CITRUS & RARE FRUIT SOCIETY 9283 Mason Avenue Chatsworth, CA 91311 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Under the most controlled conditions, the experimental apparatus will do exactly as it pleases. From bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Wed Nov 24 21:22:01 EST 1993 Article: 24372 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Shade Tolerant Fruit Message-ID: <63.2cf1edbf@axolotl> Date: 22 Nov 93 12:52:29 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 74 U14371@uicvm.uic.edu (Hans Goeckner) writes: > In article , claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron > Laird) > says: > > > >In article <1993Oct17.164629.24966@news.unomaha.edu> > jwoods@cwis.unomaha.edu > >(Jay Arthur Woods) writes: > >> > >>I looking for suggestions on shade tolerant fruit bearing plants. I > have > >>purchased a lot with lots of trees on it and I'd like to interplant > with > >>an understory of fruits and nuts that will be happy in light to medium > >>shade. This is in Omaha, Nebraska. I'm willing to irrigate but I > can't > >>control the cold. > >> > >My favorites: berries. Currants have rewarded me ... > My choice has been thimbleberries (Rubus odoratus or R. parviflorous?) > They are quite common in Keweenah Co., in the Upper Peninsula > of Michigan, where I first saw them. The two mailorder sources of > them I know are Bear Creek Nursery in Northport, WA, and Little > Valley Farm in Spring Green, WI. I don't have the addresses handy > just now but can get them if you're interested. According to the _Fruit, Berry and Nut Inventory, Second Edition_ by Kent Whealy (ISBN 0-882424-51-4), Rubus odoratus is the Buffalo Currant or the Clove Currant, while Rubus parviflorous is the Thimbleberry. It's described as "... a native American raspberry. Small, reddish orange berries. Seedy and sparse, but very tasty. Young shoots were eaten by Native Americans in the spring. Attractive, untemperamental, low suckering, nearly thornless shrub grows 2-5 foot tall. Soft, fuzzy, maple-shaped leaves up to 8 inches accross turn yellow in the fall. Large, 2 inch, white petaled flowers crinkled like muslin. Prefers damp, well drained, shady sites. Requires minimum annual precipitation of 20 inches. Hardy to [USDA] zone 3. Native from Alaska to Michigan, southward to Mexico." BEAR CREEK NURSERY [CAT - $1US, refundable] PO Box 411H Northport, WA 99157 ---------- LITTLE VALLEY FARM [CAT - First Class Stamp] Rt. 1, Box 287 Richland Center, WI 53581 Tel: 608-935-3324 ---------- BURNT RIDGE NURSERY [CAT - First Class Stamp] 432 Burnt Ridge Rd. Onalaska, WA 98570 Tel: 206-985-2873 ---------- FORESTFARM NURSERY [CAT - $3US] 990 Tetherow Rd. Williams, OR 97544 Tel: 503-846-7269 ---------- BTW - If you're interested in nut species adaptable to Nebraska, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to NEBRASKA NUT GROWERS ASSN., Bill Gustafson, 122 Mussehl Hall-U of NE, Lincoln, NE 68583-0716 for their latest price list. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Under the most controlled conditions, the experimental apparatus will do exactly as it pleases. From dschneid@class.class.org Wed Nov 24 21:23:02 EST 1993 Article: 24348 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!pagesat!news.cerf.net!class.class.org!dschneid From: dschneid@class.class.org (SilverPlattter Information Inc.) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Rare foods Date: 22 Nov 1993 14:20:19 GMT Organization: C.L.A.S.S. Cooperative Library Agency for Systems and Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <2cqhr3$86f@news.cerf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: class.class.org I'm looking for a source of some rare food seed and tubers such as: Olluca (tuber) Marama (bean) Oca (root crop) Carambola (fruit) Thanks! -- deb dschneid@class.org MY opinions, NOT SilverPlatter's!!! From samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Sun Dec 5 20:55:31 EST 1993 Article: 24447 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Detergent and Corn Oil vs. Mealybugs Message-ID: <1993Nov30.214047.20012@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 30 Nov 93 21:40:47 -0600 References: <34.2cf85932@axolotl> Followup-To: rec.gardens Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 17 In article <34.2cf85932@axolotl>, Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) writes: > lholmes@Notwerk.mcs.com (Lauren Holmes) writes: > > > About the dish detergent -- liquid or powder? > > The report of this in _HortIdeas_ did not mention which type of detergent, > just inexpensive. I'd GUESS & say liquid. But to be on the safe side, I'll > contact _HortIdeas and see what they have to say about this. I'll post > their reply in the newsgroup as soon as I get it. In some Univ. of California tests of various detergent and soap formulations for pest control, Ivory Liquid (the old white stuff) did as well or better than the more expensive "horticultural soaps" like Safers. No more burning of foliage with dish detergent than the hort soaps. Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI From pharvey@quack.kfu.com Tue Dec 7 22:32:43 EST 1993 Article: 24469 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!quack!pharvey From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Tropical Fruits Message-ID: Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. References: <66.2cf1edc2@axolotl> Date: 2 Dec 1993 07:22:22 UTC Lines: 44 In article <66.2cf1edc2@axolotl> bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org writes: >ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) writes: > > I have come across a couple fruit species that I have never heard of and > > would appreciate anyone with information about any of the following, > > particularly in regard to eating quality and cultivation requirements: > > Erythrina latissima (lucky bean) >There's no mention of this particular Latin binomial in _CORNUCOPIA_, but >is described in in _Hortus III_ as a small tree from Southern Africa. >HOWEVER, this might be a plant called Basul or Erythrina edulis, and >described in _Lost Crops of the Incas_ by the National Research Council >(ISBN 0-309-04264-X). See pages 164 to 171. The Erythrina genus is the coral tree genus - incredible flower display usually red followed by bean pods characteristic of legumes - the seeds are bright red. Several species are grown in southern Cal, in fact if I recall correctly, coral tree is the official tree of LA. Native to the American tropics but species found elsewhere such as Hawai'i. I'd be real careful about eating either buds, flowers, beans or leaves as the legumes are tricky, some are edible, some are quite toxic. > > Sapodilla >Manikara zapota is eaten fresh, preserved, dried, in custards, sherbets, >ice cream, pies and muffins, or made into syrup, jams, or vinegar. The >very young, leafy shoots are eaten raw or steamed. For cultural >information, see: >_Fruits of Warm Climates_ by Julia F. Morton, 1987. >_Manual of Tropical & Subtropical Fruits_ by Wilson Popenoe. 1920 > (Reprinted in 1974 by Hafner Press). Chico sapote? The name's kind of generic - but this is commonly the M. zapota listed above - which is the source of chewing gum from the sap latex and the fruits are quite good. It takes some frost, maybe 25oF. Very common in Yucatan. > > Seagrape >Coccoloba uvifera may be eaten out of hand or used for juice, jams, drinks >or syrup. Sea grape jelly has an attractive musky odor. A potent wine of >good flavor can also be made from the fruits. For culture & culinary info, >see: >_The Gardener's Handbook of Edible Plants_ by Rosalind Creasy (ISBN > 0-87156-758-X, Sierra Club Books, 1986), pages 265-266. Common seaside plant on Caribbean coasts - takes sandy soils and saltspray - may require high heat to mature fruit. From jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca Tue Dec 7 22:33:16 EST 1993 Article: 24554 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Problem with insect defoliating indoor-grown hot pepper plant Date: 7 Dec 1993 14:39:45 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 30 Message-ID: <2e24jh$jeb@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <2dvgv7$s6i@samba.oit.unc.edu> <2dvo7k$kpc@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> <2dvqe6$311@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Dec06.190854.20080@vancouver.zadall.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Melanie Arabsky (mel@vancouver.zadall.com) wrote: : Quick question about this washing business.... : Do you cover the dirt somehow or just let the water go coursing thru : the soil?? I am concerned that a hard spray will be too hard on the : plant/and or wash away a pile of dirt. Are my plants hardier/stronger : than I give them credit :-). I tried to rinse off aphids under a tap, : but it didn't really seem to help - maybe I need the soap spray for : them, or maybe my wash was too wimpy (need the hard shower instead)??? : Any advice would be helpful... : Thanks, Melanie (not the person who posted the original question but : in the same boat!) Melanie, I'm pretty sure aphids will not come off with any spray, they seem to be glued on. Definitely use the soap solution I mentioned (or Safer's commercial preparation) on them. I spray soap solution, leave for few hours and then rinse off and repeat several times. When it comes to the spider mites and washing, most of my plants are in pots less than 8" so I take them to kitchen sink (or bathtub), use paper, saran wrap or something to cover soil and tilt the pot (holding it so soil does not fall out) and spray away making sure I get the underside of leaves. I've also done this outside in warmer weather with garden hose but be careful of very hard sprays - I had some leaf damage once. Jan From u745@sas.nersc.gov Tue Dec 7 22:35:11 EST 1993 Article: 24415 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fastrac.llnl.gov!cronkite.nersc.gov!sas.nersc.gov!u745 From: u745@sas.nersc.gov (Kirby Fong) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Public Gardens Date: 29 Nov 1993 01:10:22 GMT Organization: National Energy Research Supercomputer Center Lines: 59 Message-ID: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: sas.nersc.gov I have recently gotten posting capability after receiving the net news feed for over a month. One of the odd things I noticed about rec.gardens is how few postings are about gardens as opposed to gardening. I therefore offer some comments about west coast public gardens I have seen that might be of interest to traveling gardeners who might might be looking for sites to see. My opinions are heavily biased by my interest in bulbous plants and to a lesser extent perennials, so you'll understand why I'm disappointed in an arboretum because "it only has trees"! So, going south to north: QUAIL BOTANIC GARDEN in Encinitas (near San Diego) takes advantage of its mild climate to grow exotic subtropical plants as well as natives. SHERMAN GARDENS in Newport Beach occupies less than one city block. Intensive- ly manicured. I wish my back yard looked like that. UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT IRVINE ARBORETUM specializes in South African bulbous plants (my favorite!) It's a small garden and will appeal only to the specialist. Best time to see it is early March. CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY AT FULLERTON ARBORETUM collects primarily plants that are suited for its climate. Of interest primarily to southern California gardeners. LANDSCAPES SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA STYLE is a demonstration garden maintained by the Western Water District in Riverside. A small but interesting garden to visit for ideas on low water use plants for the garden. HUNTINGTON GARDENS in San Marino is also the site of a major library and art collection. They have a huge succulent collection, large subtropical collection, major collection of old roses, well chosen (and labeled) camellia collection, etc., etc. If you visit only one garden in southern California, this is the one to visit. Visiting hours are somewhat limited because the longer they're open, the more money they lose. DESCANSO GARDEN in La Canada is famed for its huge camellia collection. Unfortunately, they're unlabelled, so if you see one you like, you can't find out what it is. RANCHO SANTA ANA BOTANIC GARDEN in Claremont specializes in California native plants. I think they have the best California native collection I've seen. UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT SANTA CRUZ ARBORETUM specializes in southern hemisphere plants - proteas from South Africa, Banksias and Grevilleas from Australia. They have recently constructed a New Zealand hill for the smaller plants from that country. No tree ferns that I recall. If you're interested in the southern hemisphere, this is the garden to see. STRYBING ARBORETUM in San Francisco has plants from all over the world. If it weren't such a hassle driving through town to get there, I'd visit it more often. Although San Fransicso is famous for cold summers, the winters are not much colder than the summers. This enables a lot of exotic species to survive in San Francisco which couldn't take the winters in the midwest or northeast. UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT BERKELEY ARBORETUM is in a canyon on a hill above the university. Because of this location, it has many steep trails. Not good for the wheelchair bound. Sharing San Francisco's even climate, this arboretum also sustains a huge collection of plants from nearly everywhere in the world. Accessibility is difficult; you have to wind through Berkeley streets to get there. BUTCHART GARDENS in Victoria, British Columbia is a spectacle that attracts tourists who are otherwise uninterested in gardening. Nevertheless the original owner was an avid gardener who collected rare plants, and you can still see this earlier influence at work if you look carefully. I found some meconopsis in bloom on my visit. It looks like a blue poppy and will grow only where summer temperatures are relatively cool. There are of course many more west coast gardens, but these are the ones I have had a chance to see. If I don't get severely flamed for posting this, I'll continue with the south, midwest, and east in future postings. Kirby Fong fong@nersc.gov From nancy@world.std.com Tue Dec 7 22:35:37 EST 1993 Article: 24423 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!world!nancy From: nancy@world.std.com (Nancy C Reynolds) Subject: Re: Public Gardens Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:45:22 GMT Lines: 15 The Boston Public Garden (not to be confused with the Boston Garden--an arena) has lovely flowers in the spring and summer. I especially enjoy the pansies. Although the Arnold Arboretum in Boston (Jamaica Plain area) does have a lot of trees and is especially known for their stunning lilacs, they do have other kinds of flowers. You might also enjoy "Garden in the Woods" in Framingham, MA, a suburb of Boston. And if you want to see gorgeous gardens that are open to the public (for a fee), you must go to Charleston, SC in the spring (about late March). --Nancy Reynolds From kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU Tue Dec 7 22:35:54 EST 1993 Article: 24437 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) Subject: Re: Public Gardens Message-ID: <1993Dec1.003434.6144@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@casbs.Stanford.EDU (CASBS News Service) Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 00:34:34 GMT Lines: 18 HAKONE GARDEN in Saratoga (west of San Jose), CA, is a lovely Japanese hillside garden. Best in spring for cherry blossoms and wisteria, but pretty all year round. FILOLI in Woodside (northwest of Palo Alto), CA, has well-maintained gardens open for tours spring through fall. Many camellias, roses, and bulbs. Most plants labeled. The house itself is rather pretentious, but you have to tour it along with the garden except for one day a month when self-guided tours of the garden are available. Reservations almost always necessary. PORTLAND (OREGON) ROSE GARDEN and JAPANESE GARDEN are well worth a visit, especially for rosarians. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen Much, Editor |E-mail: kathleen@casbs.stanford.EDU CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |Phone: (415) 321-2052 Stanford, CA 94305 |Fax: (415) 321-1192 From u745@sas.nersc.gov Tue Dec 7 22:36:36 EST 1993 Article: 24443 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fastrac.llnl.gov!cronkite.nersc.gov!sas.nersc.gov!u745 From: u745@sas.nersc.gov (Kirby Fong) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Public Gardens Date: 1 Dec 1993 02:00:29 GMT Organization: National Energy Research Supercomputer Center Lines: 88 Message-ID: <2dgtrt$3fq@cronkite.nersc.gov> References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> <1993Dec1.003434.6144@casbs.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sas.nersc.gov Since the initial response to my posting on public gardens was favorable with several people also posting comments about gardens worth visiting, I'll continue working eastward. First, however, I just remembered a couple more California gardens I should mention. LOS ANGELES STATE AND COUNTY ARBORETUM in Arcadia has moderately extensive collections from all over the world. There are also examples of home gardens as well as garden plots, so it has some appeal to gardeners, not just those who want to see exotic plants. They used to be tax supported, but they're on their own now. Labels are often missing so you can't tell what you're looking at. The former owner of the land owned peacocks, the wild descendents of whom still hang around the arboretum. FILOLI in Woodside on the San Francisco peninsula is an estate with a Georgian mansion surrounded by formal gardens. You may have seen the interior stair- case in the opening of the Dynasty TV series. Filoli was also a location for the Warren Beatty movie Heaven Can Wait. The gardens are well maintained, and the gardeners grow a lot of flowers in pots so that pots in bloom can be displayed as they come into season. The problem with visiting Filoli is that you have to make an appointment. For a spring visit, you'd better call a couple months in advance. The docents lead you through the mansion and gardens but don't give you enough time to stop and study the gardens. On the "open" days, members of the Friends of Filoli (like me) can come without appointments and wander through the gardens. DENVER BOTANIC GARDEN is fairly compact and on flat terrain so it's easy to walk around. I think their most outstanding exhibit is the rock or alpine garden. There's also a prairie garden, Japanese garden, biblical garden, conservatory, water lily collection, etc. There are some decorative plantings; one visit I saw Cataranthus rosea (Madagascar periwinkle) interplanted with Rhynchelytrum repens (ruby grass). The latter is an ornamental grass with rosy pink flower heads - a stunning combination. I haven't seen this planting on subsequent visits, but the point is that there are plantings (including vegetables) of interest to gardeners. FORT WORTH BOTANIC GARDENS has roses, annuals, perennials, and a small conservatory. It's not a large a garden as the Dallas one, so I recommend Dallas if you have time to visit only one. DALLAS ARBORETUM AND BOTANIC GARDEN has a lot of garden oriented plants, e.g. azaleas, daffodils, other perennials. Layout is long and narrow, so you'd better be prepared to do a lot of walking. I was there once in August a few years ago, and I'd like to see it again in March or April. MISSOURI BOTANICAL GARDEN in Saint Louis is a large, long established institution. I visited once in March which is too early in the season to see much except crocuses and the conservatory. It's clear from the plant labels that this is a place one would want to visit later in the spring to see shrubs, perennials, roses, and herbs. There's also a fragrance garden. MORTON ARBORETUM is Lisle, Illinois is genuinely an arboretum - a place for trees. They also have some dwarf conifers, shrubs, and a limited number of perennials, but primarily you drive a large loop through the arboreturm passing through different sections of trees. I did not see it in the fall when it is supposed to be spectacular with red foliage. CHICAGO BOTANIC GARDEN in Glencoe, Illinois is one of my favorites. There are a lot of plants and exhibits that appeal to the gardener, not just the botanist. It is also a beautifully designed garden and looks attractive from afar as well as close up. I've seen it in spring and summer; it probably looks good in autumn too. Don't miss it. TENNESSEE BOTANICAL GARDENS near Nashville I was able to see for only a couple hours earlier this year. Be prepared to do a lot of walking up and down hills. I spent my limited time looking primarily at the daffodil garden which is quite extensive and well labeled (except I spotted one cultivar that was mislabeled). Since daffodils are my specialty, that's what I examined first. HARRY P. LEU BOTANICAL GARDENS in Orlando, Florida is a former estate. They have camellias and other shrubs. There are some botanical specimens in the greenhouse, but it's basically a horticultural garden. It's not a very big place, so a couple hours is enough for a visit. CYPRESS GARDENS in Winter Haven, Florida is designed as a tourist attraction and priced accordingly. Still, if you want to see massive floral displays, this is hard to beat. I've been there twice in the fall when they had the place packed with potted chrysanthemums. The decorative garden is also quite colorful and staffed with Southern Belles in period attire to create picture postcard scenes. Water skiing shows are the major entertainment here. The garden is located at the edge of a lake, and you can a short boat tour to get a better look at the bald cypresses. BOK TOWER GARDEN in Lake Wales, Florida has mostly shrubs. This is a garden for meditation and contemplation. It is dominated by the carillon tower standing in the midst of a reflecting pool. There is an adjoining pond. While not a wildlife refuge, the garden welcomes local birds, so if you sit quietly, you can enjoy the fauna as well as the flora. CALLAWAY GARDENS in Pine Mountain, Georgia is also a resort and conference center. Try to go at the peak of the azalea season as I did to hike along the azalea trails. They have a lot of native azaleas. There are also green houses and a butterfly house. NORTH CAROLINA BOTANICAL GARDEN in Chapel Hill specializes in native plants of the southeast. There are trails so you can hike through naturalized settings. They also have a very nice herb garden. The herbs are well labeled, and many are grown in raised beds so they are easy to view. In a few days I'll finish with one more posting of gardens I've had a chance to see in the eastern U.S. I'm sorry I haven't been to places like Kew, Wisley, or Kirstenbosch. Kirby Fong fong@nersc.gov From jhb@cvsd.cv.com Tue Dec 7 22:36:57 EST 1993 Article: 24495 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!network.ucsd.edu!cvsd.cv.com!sol!jhb From: jhb@cvsd.cv.com (Jim Bishop) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Public Gardens Message-ID: <1993Dec3.125020.1591@cvsd.cv.com> Date: 3 Dec 93 12:50:20 -0800 References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> <1993Dec1.003434.6144@casbs.stanford.edu> <2dgtrt$3fq@cronkite.nersc.gov> Organization: - Lines: 31 In article <2dgtrt$3fq@cronkite.nersc.gov>, u745@sas.nersc.gov (Kirby Fong) writes: > Since the initial response to my posting on public gardens was favorable > with several people also posting comments about gardens worth visiting, I'll > continue working eastward. First, however, I just remembered a couple more > California gardens I should mention. > LOS ANGELES STATE AND COUNTY ARBORETUM in Arcadia has moderately extensive > collections from all over the world. There are also examples of home > gardens as well as garden plots, so it has some appeal to gardeners, not just > those who want to see exotic plants. They used to be tax supported, but > they're on their own now. Labels are often missing so you can't tell what > you're looking at. The former owner of the land owned peacocks, the wild > descendents of whom still hang around the arboretum. The LA Arboretum also has one of the best collections of cycads around. Some are very old (50 years or so) and there are usually a few with huge pine cones. This is also the home of the lagoon and house that was used at the beginning of each Fantasy Island episode. In the same area also is the Huntington (probably best known for the paintings of Blue Boy and Pinkie). Acres and acres of gardens. Best known for it's rose and Renaissance gardens, but the real gem is the succulent garden. It's the best I've every seen. Because of their age and the growing conditions, many of the individual specimens are the largest plant of the species found anywhere in the world (even larger than in their naturally environments). To see all of the museums and gardens in detail takes at least 2 days. The Huntington is also very active in introducing new plant species to Southern California. Jim From jaya@encinitas.Eng.Sun.COM Tue Dec 7 22:37:51 EST 1993 Article: 24537 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!exodus.Eng.Sun.COM!encinitas!jaya From: jaya@encinitas.Eng.Sun.COM (Jaya Holla) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Public Gardens Date: 7 Dec 1993 00:10:31 GMT Organization: Sun Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <2dgtrt$3fq@cronkite.nersc.gov> <1993Dec3.125020.1591@cvsd.cv.com> <1993Dec3.214532.1592@cvsd.cv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: encinitas In article <1993Dec3.214532.1592@cvsd.cv.com> jhb@cvsd.cv.com (Jim Bishop) writes: >Public gardens in North County San Diego Area: > >The Self-realization Fellowship - Coast highway in Southern Encinitas. >Because of the large gilded onion domes along the coast highway, >locals refer to it as Swami's It is called Swami's because of the founder of Self Realization Fellowship (SRF) - Paramahansa Yogananda was called Swami Yogananda. The onion domes represent an opening lotus bud and has spiritual significance. SRF also has two beautiful gardens one in Los Angeles on top of Mount Washington and the Lake Shrine in Pacific Palisades on Sunset Blvd. Jaya From jhb@cvsd.cv.com Tue Dec 7 22:38:25 EST 1993 Article: 24494 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!network.ucsd.edu!cvsd.cv.com!sol!jhb From: jhb@cvsd.cv.com (Jim Bishop) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Public Gardens Message-ID: <1993Dec3.123619.1590@cvsd.cv.com> Date: 3 Dec 93 12:36:19 -0800 References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> <1993Dec1.003434.6144@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Organization: - Lines: 35 In article <1993Dec1.003434.6144@casbs.Stanford.EDU>, kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) writes: > HAKONE GARDEN in Saratoga (west of San Jose), CA, is a lovely > Japanese hillside garden. Best in spring for cherry blossoms and > wisteria, but pretty all year round. The orginal plantings for Hakone came from the 1915 Panama exibition in San Fransisco. (This was the same year as the Pan-American exibition in San Diego that started Balboa park. Balboa park also has wonderful gardens.) > > FILOLI in Woodside(northwest of Palo Alto), CA, has well-maintained > gardens open for tours spring through fall. Many camellias, roses, > and bulbs. Mostplants labeled. The house itself is rather > pretentious, but you have to tour it along with the garden except for > one day a month when self-guided tours of the garden are available. > Reservations almost always necessary. One Sunday a month Filoli is open to the public (no reservations need). Unfortunately I can't remember which Sunday it is. Perhaps the fourth? If interested, 415-555-1212 can give you the phone number for Filoli. > > PORTLAND (OREGON) ROSE GARDEN and JAPANESE GARDEN are well worth a > visit, especially for rosarians. > The San Jose rose garden is worth the visit. It's also near the Rosicrucion Museum (mostly Egyptian artifacts) which has the most diverse palm collection in Northern California. Both gardens are free and always open. I'll try an post some information on San Diego public gardens later. Jim From jwilson@chopin.udel.edu Tue Dec 7 22:38:43 EST 1993 Article: 24427 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!jwilson From: jwilson@chopin.udel.edu (Jim Wilson) Subject: Re: Public Gardens Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.udel.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> <2ddvbq$2do@genesis.Mcs.Com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 04:49:48 GMT Lines: 20 I'd definitely like to second Lauren's comments about Longwood. They are by far the best around and worth the trip. Seeing the majority of international visitors up there every time I go makes me feel especially glad to be so nearby. It's too bad they need to charge so much, but quite understandable for what gets done there. The DuPont garden legacy doesn't stop there, though. If you are in the area with a little more time, also plan to visit the gardens of the Winterthur museum on Rt. 52 in Delaware. Some other ones surround the Nemours mansion and the Hagley museum, and there are also the Goodstay Gardens on the UD Rt. 52 campus, not so impressive except for the Magnolia walk when it's in bloom, but we do it with volunteers, and it's impressive to us. Those DuPonts do things right. -- Jim Wilson, Instructional Technology Center, University of Delaware Newark, Delaware 19716 jwilson@brahms.udel.edu From tom_foley.horticulture@server.hort.ncsu.edu Tue Dec 7 22:39:42 EST 1993 Article: 24442 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco!kilgoregb4.hort.ncsu.edu!tom_foley.horticulture From: Tom Foley, Jr. Subject: Re: Public Gardens Message-ID: <1993Dec1.000555.10603@ncsu.edu> X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Tue, 30 Nov 93 00:05:47 GMT Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: North Carolina State University Arboretum X-Useragent: Version 1.1.3 References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> <1993Nov30.175355.11047@das.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 00:05:55 GMT Lines: 311 NORTH CAROLINA PUBLIC GARDENS - 1989 COMPILED BY DR. J. C. RAULSTON - THE NCSU ARBORETUM ASHEBORO North Carolina Zoological Park (Including R. J. Reynolds Forest Aviary) Ms. Virginia Wall, Chief Horticulturist Box 73, Rt. 4 Asheboro, NC 27203 919-879-5603 ASHEVILLE The North Carolina Arboretum * Dr. George Briggs, Director Rt. 3, Box 1249-B Asheville, NC 28806 704-836-6545 UNC-Asheville Botanical Garden * Deane R. Hamrick, President 30 Rhododendron Drive Arden, NC 28704 The Biltmore Estate * Mr. William E. Alexander, Landscape Manager One N. Pack Square Asheville, NC 28801 704-274-1776 BATH John Lawson Memorial Garden Bonner House Bath, NC 27808 919-575-7972 Ruth McCloud Smith Memorial Garden Bonner House, Rt. 92 Bath, NC 919-923-3971 BEAUFORT Restored Houses with Gardens on Tour: Joseph Bell House, Turner St. Josiah Bell House, Turner St. Apothecary Shop, Turner St. BLOWING ROCK Martha Franck Fragrance Garden (N. C. Rehabilitation Center for the Blind) BOONE Daniel Boone Native Gardens Ms. Suzy Hearn - Supervisor/Naturalist Horn in The West Drive Boone, NC 28607 704-264-6390 CARTHAGE Sir Walter Raleigh Historical Garden Ms. Jane McPhaul, Chairman Horticulture Department; Sandhills Community College 2200 Airport Road Pinehurst, NC 28374 919-692-6185 CARY Hemlock Bluff Natural Area (On Kildare Farm Road from Cary through Lochmere) Mr. Wayne Mingus - Director; or Mr. Shaub Dunkley - Horticulturist Division of Parks and Recreation Cary, NC 919-469-4061 CHAPEL HILL The North Carolina Botanical Garden * (Including - The Coker Arboretum) Dr. Peter S. White CB Box 3375, Totten Center University of North Carolina - CH Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3375 919-967-2246 CHARLOTTE Charlotte Botanical Garden Society Dr. Pat Duncan-Grady, Interim Director P. O. Box 31395 Charlotte, NC 28231 704-331-5566 UNC-Charlotte Gardens (Including Van Landingham Glen; Susie Harwood Garden; & McMillan Orchid Greenhouse) Dr. Lawrence Mellichamp Biology Department - UNCC Station Charlotte, NC 28223 704-547-2316 (704-547-4055) Wing Haven Gardens and Bird Sanctuary Mrs. Wanny W. Hogewood, Director 248 Ridgewood Avenue Charlotte, NC 28209 704-331-0664 Hezekiah Alexander Homestead 3500 Shamrock Drive Charlotte, NC 704-332-5770 CHEROKEE Cherokee Botanical Garden Oconaluftee Indian Village Cherokee, NC 704-497-2111 CHERRYVILLE The Iron Gate Garden CLEMMONS Tanglewood Arboretum and Rose Garden * Tanglewood Park Forsyth County Park Authority, Inc. Clinton Ingram, Horticulturist P. O. Box 1040 Clemmons, NC 27012-1040 919-766-0591 The William and Kate B. Reynold Memorial Park CLYDE The Campus Arboretum of Haywood Community College * (Including: The Arboretum, Rhododendron Garden, Class of '74 Rose Garden, The Mill Pond, Nix Horticultural Complex, and Freelander Dahlia Garden). Mr. John Palmer, Director Haywood Community College Freedlander Drive Clyde, NC 28721 704-627-2821 X269 DAVIDSON Davidson College Arboretum * Mr. Irvin Brawley Box 121, Davidson College Davidson, NC 28036 704-892-2000 X119 DURHAM Sarah P. Duke Gardens * Mr. Larry T. Daniel, Associate Director Duke University Durham, NC 27706 919-684-3698 FUQUAY-VARINA Marvin and Mary Gourd Museum and Gardens M. M. Johnson Box 666 Fuquay-Varina, NC 27526 919-639-2894 GREENSBORO Bicentennial Garden (Between Hobbs & Holden Rds. North of Friendly Ave.) Kathryn V. Gabel Kim Melton City Beautiful Director OR City Beautiful Coordinator Drawer W-2 Drawer W-2 Greensboro, NC 27402 Greensboro, NC 27402 919-373-2959 919-373-2957 The Greensboro Arboretum (West Market Street at Ashland Drive) Pamela A. Allen, Chairman Mark E. Bush Greensboro Beautiful, Inc. OR Parks & Recreation Dept. Drawer W-2 Drawer W-2 Greensboro, NC 27402 Greensboro, NC 27402 919-282-4619 919-373-2690 LOUISBURG De Hart Botanical Gardens, Inc. (Formerly Greencroft Botanical Gardens) Allen and Flora de Hart Route 1, Box 36 Louisburg, NC 27549 919-496-4771 or 496-2521 Franklin County Nature Preserve (Including Cranefly Orchid Trail) Adjacent to the above garden with access through gardens. MANTEO The Elizabethan Gardens Mr. Louis Midgette, Garden Superintendent Manteo, NC 27954 919-473-3234 NEW BERN Tryon Palace Gardens W. H. Rea, Horticulturist Box 1007 610 Pollock Street New Bern, NC 28560 919-638-5109 Restored House Gardens on Tour: Jones Wright Stanley House, George & Pollock Sts. Stevenson House, George & Pollock Sts. Stanley House, George & Pollock Sts. Samuel Smallwood House & Garden, 520 East Front St. PINEHURST Clarendon Gardens Linden Rd. Pinehurst, NC 919-295-6651 PITTSBORO White Pines Natural Area Dr. Benson Kirkman Triangle Land Conservancy P. O. Box 13031 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-3031 919-833-3662 RALEIGH The NCSU Arboretum * Dr. J. C. Raulston, Director Department of Horticultural Science Box 7609, NCSU Raleigh, NC 27695-7609 919-737-3132; 919-544-7475 Raleigh Rose Garden (Off Gardner Street; 3 blocks from Hillsborough Street - turn at D. H. Hill Library on NCSU Campus). Raleigh Parks and Recreation Office 241 Wade Avenue Raleigh, NC 27607 919-890-3285 WRAL-TV Azalea Gardens Mr. Craig Carpenter, Horticulturist 2619 Western Boulevard Raleigh, NC 27607 919-876-1061 Mordecai House & Gardens Ms. Caroline Spainhour, President Capital Area Preservation, Inc. 1 Mimosa Street Raleigh, NC 27604 919-834-4844 RED SPRINGS Flora Macdonald Azalea Gardens Flora Macdonald College Red Springs, NC 919-843-5441 REIDSVILLE Chinqua-Penn Plantation Ms. Lynn Kellar - Director; or Mr. Keith Davis - Horticulturist Rt. 3, Box 682 Reidsville, NC 27320 919-349-4576 SALEMBURG Laurel Lake Gardens SALISBURY Hurley Park Mr. Joe Morris, Landscape Manager P. O. Box 479 Salisbury, NC 28145-0479 704-638-5260 Poets and Dreamers Garden Livingston College Salisbury, NC 28145 704-633-7960 WAKE FOREST Rock Cliff Farm B. W. Wells Association, Inc. Mr. John Lawrence 6015 Jeffreys School Rd. Raleigh, NC 27612 919-781-0335 WILMINGTON New Hanover Country Extension Arboretum Mr. Charles E. Lewis, County Extension Chairman 6202 Oleander Drive Wilmington, NC 28403 919-256-9933 Airlie Gardens Box 210 Wilmington, NC 28402 919-763-9991 Greenfield Gardens Mr. Richard King City of Wilmington Parks and Recreation Department Box 810 Wilmington, NC 28401 919-763-9871 WILKESBORO Wilkes Community College Gardens * Ms. Karen Griggs, Director P. O. Box 120 Wilkes Community College Wilkesboro, NC 28697 919-667-7136 WINNABOW Orton Plantation Gardens Mr. Kenneth M. Sprunt RFD 1 Winnabow, NC 28479 919-371-6851 WINSTON-SALEM Reynolds Gardens of Wake Forest University Preston Stockton, Superintendent 100 Reynolda Village Winston-Salem, NC 27106 919-761-5593 Old Salem Gardens * Ms. Juliannne Berckman, Horticulturist Horticulture Department Salem Station, Drawer F Winston-Salem, ;NC 27108 919-721-7377 * Institutional Members of American Association of Botanical Gardens and Arboreta Tom Foley, Jr. North Carolina State University Arboretum Raleigh, North Carolina 27695-7609 (919) 515-3132 tom_foley.horticulture@server.hort.ncsu.edu From u745@sas.nersc.gov Tue Dec 7 22:40:08 EST 1993 Article: 24482 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!koriel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fastrac.llnl.gov!cronkite.nersc.gov!sas.nersc.gov!u745 From: u745@sas.nersc.gov (Kirby Fong) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Public Gardens Date: 3 Dec 1993 02:52:38 GMT Organization: National Energy Research Supercomputer Center Lines: 107 Message-ID: <2dm9lm$d9e@cronkite.nersc.gov> References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: sas.nersc.gov Here's the third and last posting in the sequence I started November 28, commenting on some gardens anyone can visit. BROOKSIDE GARDENS in Wheaton, Maryland near Washington, D.C. is a small garden with a strong orientation toward home gardening. I happened to visit when tulip season was ending, and they giving away information on which tulips did best at blooming year after year. U.S. BOTANIC GARDEN is a large building on the Mall near the U.S. Capitol. Most of its space is indoors so they can grow a lot of rare tropical plants. I remember seeing an extensive collection of bromeliads. The AAA tour book lists it as a star attraction, but my interests lie in a different direction. U.S. NATIONAL ARBORETUM is also in Washington, D.C. True to its name, it is primarily a place for trees, lot of dogwoods for example. They also have a bonsai collection; however, the most spectacular display is the Glenn Dale hybrid azaleas when they cover a hillside with brilliant colors in spring. DUMBARTON OAKS is a former estate in Washington, D.C. The grounds around the building were designed by the great American garden designer Beatrix Farrand. This is one of her best gardens, and it has fortunately been maintained over the years. It is designed as a series of outdoor rooms becoming progressively less formal as you get farther from the house. If you're in the Washington, D.C. area, this is the garden you should see. Unfortunately they have no parking lot; you have to cruise around until you find a place to park on the street. I walked over there from a nearby hotel on my last visit. It appears to be a safe neighborhood. WINTERTHUR MUSEUM AND GARDENS outside Wilmington, Delware is famous for its collection of American interior decorative art and furnishing. The gardens are naturalistic. The existing trees have been underplanted with annuals and perennials that can naturalize or survive with little additional care. This has been done with a skill and subtlety to enhance the natural beauty with equal emphasis on natural and beauty. It's the kind of garden you would expect Mother Nature to be able to create after taking artistic design lessons. LONGWOOD GARDENS near Kennett Square, Pennsylvania does for horticulture what William Randolph Hearst's castle does for architecture. The latter collected the best from Europe and reassembled it into one grand home. Longwood has examples of the best European gardens all in one place. It's not meant to hit you over the head the way Cypress Gardens does, but the sheer concentra- tion and magnitude of all these design styles coming together cannot fail to impress even non-gardeners. If you're in the area, you must see Longwood, but I urge you to see the quite different Winterthur also; they're only a few miles apart. NEW YORK BOTANIC GARDEN is located in the Bronx. I recall seeing alpines, ferns, a large conservatory, and more. They have a chunk of the original forest that covered the area. I walked through there and was later told by a New York friend that I was risking getting mugged walking through such an isolated area. There were also some planting of horticultural interest such as demonstation beds of differnet cultivars of daffodils. Since the garden is in a rough neighborhood, you should pay to park on the garden grounds. BROOKLYN BOTANIC GARDEN is obviously in Brooklyn. It is not near any expressways, so you will have to drive through some run down neighborhoods to get there. Pay to park in the parking lot between the garden and the Brooklyn Museum. This garden is about one fifth the size of the New York Botanic Garden but just as interesting since lots of stuff is packed in there. They have water lilies, a Japanese garden, roses, bonsai, tropical plants (in green houses), alpines, etc. One corner of the garden has plots planted by children as part of an educational program. In New York City, I would give the edge to Brooklyn in terms of more too see per mile walked. CLARK GARDEN in Albertson on Long Island is a station of the Brooklyn Botanic Garden. Its primary audience is the people who live around it as evidenced by its collection of woodland plants, roses, wildflowers, vegetables, and herbs. As an out of town visitor, your time would be better spent at one of the next two gardens. PLANTING FIELDS ARBORETUM in Oyster Bay on Long Island has a lot of shrubs, perennials, and trees. It has a synpotic garden and a very extensive collection of camellias, the latter in green houses. It is a former estate, and the house is used for meetings and conferences. OLD WESTBURY GARDENS in Old Westbury on Long Island is also a former estate. The most impressive part of their ground is the walled garden, a huge perennial garden. We're not just talking perennial borders, we're talking perennial beds filling up the yard. I've never been to England, but I think Old Westbury must come as close as any American garden to approaching what the English can do. If you're on Long Island in late spring, you've got to visit this garden. Otherwise, I think Planting Fields has more varied collections so that there's something interesting to see most of the time. BOSTON PUBLIC GARDEN across from Boston Common is a public park. I saw it in late October last year when there's not much to see. I almost forgot about it until seeing Nancy Reynold's posting. I think it has roses, but they were already pruned back by the time I saw them. There were also a lot of newly planted beds which I guessed contained tulips. With that many beds, it must be a very colorful sight in the spring. ARNOLD ARBORTUEM in Boston was also mentioned by Nancy. I don't happen to be a connoisseur of trees, so I cannot fully appreciate that Arnold likely has the premier collection of temperate climate trees in the U.S. Because of the heavy preponderance of trees and shrubs, it has very much the feeling of a park. And because it is free, people go there and sit on the benches, lie on the lawns, and stroll among the plantings just like they would any other park. I've also seen the freeze damaged daffodil beds in Whetstone Park in Columbus, Ohio in 1992 and been at a reception held in the green houses of the Montreal Botanic Gardens at night, but in neither case did I get to see anything representative of the whole garden. Except for California and Florida, the gardens I have described are ones I have visited while being in the area on business. They are not necessarily the best ones nor are they a representative cross section of north American gardens. Even if you don't have the chance to travel and see other gardens, try to visit the ones near you. I know this is easier said than done, because when I'm home I want to look after my plants rather than go sight seeing. Even botanical gardens which are more concerned with species conservation and research than horticulture can be interesting if you spot some rare plant that would be appropriate for your garden. Most botanic gardens propagate and sell rare plants in order to raise funds, so they are an excellent source of plants that are not in the nursery trade, and you have some assurance the plants will grow in the local climate. Nathan Lane has indicated to me an interest in building an annotated list of gardens to visit starting with rec.gardens postings, so I invite the rest of you to comment on worthwhile gardens you've seen. It's okay to comment upon previously described gardens, because few of us (and certainly not me) can provide complete, balanced, and totally informed remarks about any garden. Kirby Fong fong@nersc.gov From hi23ahg@rs5.tcs.tulane.edu Tue Dec 7 22:40:23 EST 1993 Article: 24483 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!tulane!rs5.tcs.tulane.edu!hi23ahg From: hi23ahg@rs5.tcs.tulane.edu (phil mueller) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Public Gardens Date: 3 Dec 1993 05:43:12 GMT Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA Lines: 4 Message-ID: <2dmjlg$772@news.cs.tulane.edu> References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> <2dm9lm$d9e@cronkite.nersc.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: rs5.tcs.tulane.edu The Cloisters on the north tip (Ithink) of Manhattan is a medieval museum that has some very interesting period gardens. The kitchen garden contains herbs, dye plants, etc. There is also a meditation garden. From smiller@hpcc01.corp.hp.com Tue Dec 7 22:40:50 EST 1993 Article: 24507 of rec.gardens From: smiller@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Sara Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 19:53:26 GMT Subject: Re: Public Gardens Message-ID: <3740092@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> Organization: HP Corp Computing & Services Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!srgenprp!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!hpcc01!smiller Newsgroups: rec.gardens References: <2dbi5u$e5n@cronkite.nersc.gov> Lines: 23 > One Sunday a month Filoli is open to the public (no reservations > need). Unfortunately I can't remember which Sunday it is. Perhaps the > fourth? If interested, 415-555-1212 can give you the phone number for Filoli. As a new "Friend of Filoli" I just happen to have their schedule to hand: the gardens are closed until Feb 15, then the self-guided schedule is "every Friday, the first Saturday, and the second Sunday of the month". Call 415-364-2880 for information. There are wonderful all-day workshops planned for January 29 for members (which they open to the public if they have room): Dividing Perennials, Rose Pruning, Bonsai Style Pruning, Irrigation Systems - Maintenance and Problem Solving, Controlling Critters in Your Garden: Moles, Gophers, Skunks, Raccoons, Deer, Etc., Propagation Techniques, and Wisteria Pruning. I'll post any interesting info I glean. Also I want to put in a plug for the wonderful book "Visiting Eden - The Public Gardens of Northern California". Gorgeous photos and profiles of gardens in my area I had never heard about, or had always wanted to visit (Sunset Garden is less than a mile from where I live.) Since I also joined the Elizabeth F. Gamble Garden Center in Palo Alto, I was delighted to see it profiled. Glossy paperback but well worth the <$20 price. Sara Miller smiller@corp.hp.com From nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu Tue Dec 7 22:41:17 EST 1993 Article: 24545 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius From: Bob Klebba Subject: Re: Public Gardens Message-ID: <1993Dec7.000914.23954@nicmad.uucp> Sender: usenet@nicmad.uucp Nntp-Posting-Host: mac1_00 Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corporation X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1 References: <2dm9lm$d9e@cronkite.nersc.gov> <1993Dec3.125020.1591@cvsd.cv.com> <1993Dec3.214532.1592@cvsd.cv.com> <3740092@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 00:09:14 GMT Lines: 22 One of the things I craved to see in southern CA was a natural plant community. The garden in Santa Barbara was beautiful, but the native plants were displayed in a horticultural way, not in an environmental way. I think my lack of fulfillment in seeing such a community is due to my lack of familiarity with southern CA. In the Bay area, I had the opportunity to tour San Bruno this past April. I was enchanted by the Cenoethus (sp?) and all the other plants that were in full flower then. If you can tolerate a little microwave radiation, I highly recommend this site. My favorite "garden" in my part of the world is the University of Wisconsin Arboretum. It has the first restored prairie plant community in the States and it is still going strong. The prairie is best in late summer, but early May's good too. The horticultural parts of the arboretum have extensive lilac and crab collections. Bob Klebba Madison, Wisconsin, USDA zone 4 Inet: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu "Feed the soil, not the plant" From dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu Tue Dec 7 22:41:42 EST 1993 Article: 24472 of rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!dmiller From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Public Gardens Date: 2 Dec 1993 14:05:08 GMT Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT Lines: 23 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2dksmk$eub@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: im3.lcs.mit.edu In article: <1993Nov30.175355.11047@das.harvard.edu> hartman@das.harvard.edu (Anthony Hartman) mentions: >In article , nancy@world.std.com (Nancy C Reynolds) writes: >|> You might also enjoy "Garden in the Woods" in Framingham, MA, a suburb of >|> Boston. >|> >The Garden in the Woods is notable for its wild flowers. They also have >nursury propogated plants on sale. >Tony Hartman >hartman@harvard.harvard.edu I called the G.I.T.Woods info line (508-877-6574) and their recorded message says that their trails are closed for the season. Their giftshop is still open until Dec 23. Their office number is 508-877-7630. --Jill Contact below (NOT at theory.lcs.mit.edu): -- A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER SERVICES | InterNet: dmiller@im.lcs.mit.edu | 61 Lake Shore Road | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9am-9pm -0400(EDT)| Natick, MA 01760-2099, USA | MMSFORTH: The cure for the common code.| 42 18'00.79" N, 71 22'27.68" W| From samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!nigel.msen.com!math.fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de!newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de!oeko2.ifgb.uni-hannover.de!Niels.Sommer Wed Dec 8 10:55:20 EST 1993 Article: 24567 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: samba.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!nigel.msen.com!math.fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de!newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de!oeko2.ifgb.uni-hannover.de!Niels.Sommer From: Niels.Sommer@cdc2.gartenbauoekonomie.gartenbau.uni-hannover.d400.de (Niels Sommer) Subject: horticultural internet resources !? Message-ID: Lines: 56 Sender: news@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (News Service) Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum fr Hannover Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 15:11:14 GMT horticultural Internet resources !? We send a list of interesting horticultural Internet resources. The accesses are free. But we think this list is not complete. We try to compile a complete list with all Internet resources who are interesting for all gardeners, these resources haven't been free, also addresses with costs are needed. So, please send us your adresses, informations and comments (via mail). We try to send the new list in this newsgroup, is the list too long we give you informations where you can get it, thanks Angela and Niels And here the uncomplete list of adresses: TELNET: PENpages psupen.psu.edu, login: pnopta CENET cce.cornell.edu, login: guest CUFAN eureka.clemson.edu, login: PUBLIC CSU FRESNO ATI-NET caticsuf.csufresno.edu, login: super Agriculture info idea.ag.uiuc.edu, login: interag GOPHER: search in Veronica Agrargopher in sweden USDA Current Research Information System rice.info.rice.edu WAIS: agricultural-market-news.src usda-rrdb.src WWW-Server: Australian National Botanic Garden INRA **************************************************************************** Niels Sommer Institut fuer Gartenbauoekonomie Herrenhaeuser Strasse 2 30419 Hannover Germany Telefon: 0511-762-3630 Telefax: 0511-762-2667 E-MAIL: Niels.Sommer@cdc2.gartenbauoekonomie.gartenbau.uni-hannover.d400.de **************************************************************************** From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!pipex!sunic!kth.se!lysator.liu.se!ceci Sat Jan 1 19:04:55 EST 1994 Article: 24820 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!pipex!sunic!kth.se!lysator.liu.se!ceci From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) Subject: Re: Trollius Message-ID: Sender: news@lysator.liu.se (The news user) Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society References: <2faqlt$mn2@overload.lbl.gov> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1993 14:37:23 GMT Lines: 23 milliyee@asta.lbl.gov (Millicent Yee) writes: > I recently ordered trollius seeds and have not had much luck in > getting any germination - I've tried freezing the seeds, soaking > them, and just plain seeding them in small pots. Two months have > already gone by - help!! Bah! Two months? That's nothing. Put them in the refrigerator (not freezer) for, say 4 weeks, then put them out of doors or in a coldframe. If they haven't sprouted by May, try chipping the seeds. They won't flower this spring anyway, so you might aswell practice your patience. Trollius like it moist. At least Trollius europaeus is quite hardy -- it's native here in Sweden. Thompson & Morgan list all three of their Trolliuses as hardy: T. acaulis, T. europaeus and T. hyrbridus, but T&M quotes hardiness in Britain. None of them bloom the first year from seed, according to T&M. Patient greetings, --Ceci -- =====ceci@lysator.liu.se=========================================== "If you have a problem and noone else can help you, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire -- the A-team!" =================================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!kth.se!lysator.liu.se!ceci Sat Jan 1 19:06:12 EST 1994 Article: 24821 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.arts.bonsai Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!kth.se!lysator.liu.se!ceci From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) Subject: List of current files from ftp.lysator.liu.se (long) Message-ID: Summary: Get them, while they're hot! Keywords: ftp, files, net Sender: news@lysator.liu.se (The news user) Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1993 20:22:19 GMT Lines: 167 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:24821 rec.arts.bonsai:2278 [File name: /pub/gardening/current_files] [Last update: December 25th, 1993 ] These are the files available via anonymous ftp from the /pub/gardening directory on ftp.lysator.liu.se. Questions about these files (and offers of other files of interest to the community of gardeners in temperate climates) will be happily received by me at: ceci@lysator.liu.se. Please direct questions about ftp to your local system's guru (try postmaster@your.site). Files ending in ".gz" are compressed with gunzip. If you don't have access to gunzip, you can transfer the files uncompressed. just state the file name without the extension ".gz". This will take considerably more time and bandwidth than transferring them in their compressed form, but is useful if you don't have access to gunzip. The READ_ME file contains information about the files in that directory. My comments are [in brackets] and up to date. --Ceci ================================================================== ./Bonsai [Mostly from rec.arts.bonsai] ./Bonsai/cold_frame ./Bonsai/grapefruit_bonsai ./Bonsai/japanese_maples ./Bonsai/olive_tree ./Bonsai/sprouting_acorns ./Bonsai/README ./Bonsai/class1 ./Bonsai/class2 ./Bonsai/class3 ./Bonsai/class4 ./Bonsai/class5 ./Bonsai/class6.gz ./Bonsai/class7.gz ./Bonsai/start_collecting ./Bonsai/ginko_germination ./Bonsai/moss ./Bonsai/rio_seeds ./Bonsai/bonsai_faq.gz ./Bonsai/growing_bonsai.gz ./Books [Book recommendations] ./Books/list ./Books/seed_starting ./Edibles [Everything edible: berries, fruit, but not herbs.] ./Edibles/allfieldberry ./Edibles/strawberry_varieties ./Edibles/pole_beans ./Edibles/potato_companion ./Edibles/sunflower_harvest ./Edibles/cold_climate_garlic ./Edibles/winter_garden ./Edibles/winter_crops ./Faqs [Frequently asked questions, with answers.] ./Faqs/herb.faq.gz ./Faqs/bulb_catalogue.gz ./Faqs/fertilizer.gz ./Faqs/soil ./Faqs/seedcats1.faq.gz ./Faqs/seedcats2.faq.gz ./Faqs/seedcats3.general.gz ./Faqs/tomato-problems.faq.gz ./Faqs/wildflower.res.faq.gz ./General [General things.] ./General/avocado ./General/basic_terms ./General/clean_vases ./General/dandelions ./General/deva ./General/egg_cartons ./General/flower_light ./General/flower_vs_bugs ./General/latin_pronunciation ./General/pepsi_greenhouse ./General/poinsettia ./General/stump_removal ./General/toxoplasmos ./General/weak_stems ./General/organic_gardening.gz ./Herbs [Herbs and spices. More in /pub/religion/pagan/Herbs] ./Herbs/cat_thyme ./Herbs/comfrey ./Herbs/garlic ./Herbs/herb_e_mail ./Herbs/herb_names ./Herbs/indoor_herbs ./Herbs/rhubarb ./Herbs/rhubarb2 ./Herbs/rhubarb_vs_aphids ./Herbs/thyme ./Herbs/onion_sets ./Herbs/lemongrass ./Herbs/menstrual_cramps ./Herbs/red_clover ./Herbs/aztec_herb ./Lawns [Green surface] ./Lawns/mushrooms ./Lawns/general_advice ./Net [Gardening related stuff from the net.] ./Net/ecogopher ./Net/garden_ftp ./Ornamentals [Subdirs about some of the most popular ornamentals.] ./Ornamentals/hardy_annuals ./Ornamentals/ipomoea_bloom ./Ornamentals/lobelia_browning ./Ornamentals/mutating_pansies ./Ornamentals/plants_for_shade ./Ornamentals/rhododendron_cuttings ./Ornamentals/ribes_alpinum ./Ornamentals/everlastings ./Ornamentals/hardy_tenders ./Ornamentals/transing_perennials ./Ornamentals/Mallows ./Ornamentals/Mallows/lavatera_etc ./Ornamentals/Mallows/hibiscus_etc ./Ornamentals/Lavender ./Ornamentals/Lavender/propagation ./Ornamentals/Lavender/drying ./Ornamentals/Lavender/watering_drainage ./Ornamentals/Rose ./Ornamentals/Rose/transplanting ./Ornamentals/Rose/fungi ./Ornamentals/Rose/sprays ./Ornamentals/Rose/basic_care ./Ornamentals/Rose/companion_planting ./Ornamentals/Rose/fall_cuttings ./Ornamentals/Rose/oldroses.gz ./Ornamentals/Iris ./Ornamentals/Iris/germination ./Ornamentals/Iris/illness ./Ornamentals/Iris/problems ./Ornamentals/Iris/borer ./Ornamentals/Iris/iris_notha ./Ornamentals/Iris/iris_spuria ./Ornamentals/Iris/fertilisation ./Ornamentals/Iris/after_bloom ./Ornamentals/Bulbs ./Ornamentals/Bulbs/definition ./Ornamentals/Bulbs/lillies ./Ornamentals/Bulbs/european_sources ./READ_ME ./Soil [About soil, including compost and mulches.] ./Soil/clay ./Soil/compost ./Soil/mulching ./Soil/potting_soil current_files [This file.] -- ====ceci@lysator.liu.se==================================== "S} bryter jag upp och reser med t}g, fr}n s{des{rla och trast, fr}n gl{nsande revlar i havet, d{r v}g m|tte v}g, och brast." Hjalmar Gullberg, En Sommar av N}d, tredje strofen From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!kth.se!lysator.liu.se!ceci Sat Jan 1 19:07:37 EST 1994 Article: 24821 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.arts.bonsai Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!kth.se!lysator.liu.se!ceci From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) Subject: List of current files from ftp.lysator.liu.se (long) Message-ID: Summary: Get them, while they're hot! Keywords: ftp, files, net Sender: news@lysator.liu.se (The news user) Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1993 20:22:19 GMT Lines: 167 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:24821 rec.arts.bonsai:2278 [File name: /pub/gardening/current_files] [Last update: December 25th, 1993 ] These are the files available via anonymous ftp from the /pub/gardening directory on ftp.lysator.liu.se. Questions about these files (and offers of other files of interest to the community of gardeners in temperate climates) will be happily received by me at: ceci@lysator.liu.se. Please direct questions about ftp to your local system's guru (try postmaster@your.site). Files ending in ".gz" are compressed with gunzip. If you don't have access to gunzip, you can transfer the files uncompressed. just state the file name without the extension ".gz". This will take considerably more time and bandwidth than transferring them in their compressed form, but is useful if you don't have access to gunzip. The READ_ME file contains information about the files in that directory. My comments are [in brackets] and up to date. --Ceci ================================================================== ./Bonsai [Mostly from rec.arts.bonsai] ./Bonsai/cold_frame ./Bonsai/grapefruit_bonsai ./Bonsai/japanese_maples ./Bonsai/olive_tree ./Bonsai/sprouting_acorns ./Bonsai/README ./Bonsai/class1 ./Bonsai/class2 ./Bonsai/class3 ./Bonsai/class4 ./Bonsai/class5 ./Bonsai/class6.gz ./Bonsai/class7.gz ./Bonsai/start_collecting ./Bonsai/ginko_germination ./Bonsai/moss ./Bonsai/rio_seeds ./Bonsai/bonsai_faq.gz ./Bonsai/growing_bonsai.gz ./Books [Book recommendations] ./Books/list ./Books/seed_starting ./Edibles [Everything edible: berries, fruit, but not herbs.] ./Edibles/allfieldberry ./Edibles/strawberry_varieties ./Edibles/pole_beans ./Edibles/potato_companion ./Edibles/sunflower_harvest ./Edibles/cold_climate_garlic ./Edibles/winter_garden ./Edibles/winter_crops ./Faqs [Frequently asked questions, with answers.] ./Faqs/herb.faq.gz ./Faqs/bulb_catalogue.gz ./Faqs/fertilizer.gz ./Faqs/soil ./Faqs/seedcats1.faq.gz ./Faqs/seedcats2.faq.gz ./Faqs/seedcats3.general.gz ./Faqs/tomato-problems.faq.gz ./Faqs/wildflower.res.faq.gz ./General [General things.] ./General/avocado ./General/basic_terms ./General/clean_vases ./General/dandelions ./General/deva ./General/egg_cartons ./General/flower_light ./General/flower_vs_bugs ./General/latin_pronunciation ./General/pepsi_greenhouse ./General/poinsettia ./General/stump_removal ./General/toxoplasmos ./General/weak_stems ./General/organic_gardening.gz ./Herbs [Herbs and spices. More in /pub/religion/pagan/Herbs] ./Herbs/cat_thyme ./Herbs/comfrey ./Herbs/garlic ./Herbs/herb_e_mail ./Herbs/herb_names ./Herbs/indoor_herbs ./Herbs/rhubarb ./Herbs/rhubarb2 ./Herbs/rhubarb_vs_aphids ./Herbs/thyme ./Herbs/onion_sets ./Herbs/lemongrass ./Herbs/menstrual_cramps ./Herbs/red_clover ./Herbs/aztec_herb ./Lawns [Green surface] ./Lawns/mushrooms ./Lawns/general_advice ./Net [Gardening related stuff from the net.] ./Net/ecogopher ./Net/garden_ftp ./Ornamentals [Subdirs about some of the most popular ornamentals.] ./Ornamentals/hardy_annuals ./Ornamentals/ipomoea_bloom ./Ornamentals/lobelia_browning ./Ornamentals/mutating_pansies ./Ornamentals/plants_for_shade ./Ornamentals/rhododendron_cuttings ./Ornamentals/ribes_alpinum ./Ornamentals/everlastings ./Ornamentals/hardy_tenders ./Ornamentals/transing_perennials ./Ornamentals/Mallows ./Ornamentals/Mallows/lavatera_etc ./Ornamentals/Mallows/hibiscus_etc ./Ornamentals/Lavender ./Ornamentals/Lavender/propagation ./Ornamentals/Lavender/drying ./Ornamentals/Lavender/watering_drainage ./Ornamentals/Rose ./Ornamentals/Rose/transplanting ./Ornamentals/Rose/fungi ./Ornamentals/Rose/sprays ./Ornamentals/Rose/basic_care ./Ornamentals/Rose/companion_planting ./Ornamentals/Rose/fall_cuttings ./Ornamentals/Rose/oldroses.gz ./Ornamentals/Iris ./Ornamentals/Iris/germination ./Ornamentals/Iris/illness ./Ornamentals/Iris/problems ./Ornamentals/Iris/borer ./Ornamentals/Iris/iris_notha ./Ornamentals/Iris/iris_spuria ./Ornamentals/Iris/fertilisation ./Ornamentals/Iris/after_bloom ./Ornamentals/Bulbs ./Ornamentals/Bulbs/definition ./Ornamentals/Bulbs/lillies ./Ornamentals/Bulbs/european_sources ./READ_ME ./Soil [About soil, including compost and mulches.] ./Soil/clay ./Soil/compost ./Soil/mulching ./Soil/potting_soil current_files [This file.] -- ====ceci@lysator.liu.se==================================== "S} bryter jag upp och reser med t}g, fr}n s{des{rla och trast, fr}n gl{nsande revlar i havet, d{r v}g m|tte v}g, och brast." Hjalmar Gullberg, En Sommar av N}d, tredje strofen From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!horn Sat Jan 1 19:11:17 EST 1994 Article: 24836 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!horn From: horn@netcom.com (Jim Hornbeck) Subject: Re: Seed Catalog -- "Seeds of Change" Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1993Dec27.034104.135745@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 03:51:06 GMT Lines: 20 D.Lord (dlord@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu) wrote: : Recently there was an article on National Public Radio about : "Seeds of Change" in New Mexico. : Does anyone have an address and price for their catalog, so that I : can order seeds from them. >From the June issue of Chile Pepper magazine. Seeds of Change 1364 Rufina Circle #5 Santa Fe, NM. 87501 regards -- Jim Hornbeck WA6GHF | If I could remember all those names horn@netcom.com | I'd have been a botanist. GEnie L.Hornbeck | Enrico Fermi From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nic.umass.edu!titan.ucs.umass.edu!not-for-mail Sat Jan 1 19:11:32 EST 1994 Article: 24837 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nic.umass.edu!titan.ucs.umass.edu!not-for-mail From: cyndal@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Cyndal) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Fruit and/or tree wanted. Date: 27 Dec 1993 22:47:12 -0500 Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 23 Sender: cyndal@titan.ucs.umass.edu Expires: +14 days Message-ID: <2foa80$q76@titan.ucs.umass.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help me out. Back in '86 when I spent a summer in Spain, I had the pleasure to try a delicious fruit called a ni'spero. Now, I looked in my dictionary, and it has no definition for this. All it says is that it is related to the loquat and medlar. The fruit itself is about 3" long and about 1.5" wide, has a smooth skin similar to a nectarine, is peach-colored(not like a peach itself, it's the color of 'peach'), and inside it has a flesh similar to the color of the flesh of a nectarine. There are 4 oblong seeds inside-two atop two. The fruit itself is oblong-shaped. It is VERY delicious. I did bring some of the seeds home(shush, I was careful to clean them well so as to not bring any pests home. *smile*). I managed to get 4 of 20 to germinate, and only 1 grew....and then died when it reached about 6" high. I was CAREFUL to not over-water and to check to be sure it didn't get rootbound, but it died... I cannot find this fruit anywhere...nor can I even find a fruit tree. Anyone know where I could find either the fruit or a fruit tree local to Massachusetts(US)? Mail order is possible for a fruit tree.... Any help is greatly appreciated. These were a staple for me while I spent many a lovely day on the beach eating these wonderful fruits. :) Michele From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU!saari Sat Jan 1 19:12:01 EST 1994 Article: 24839 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU!saari From: saari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: beneficial nematodes Date: 28 Dec 1993 10:23:32 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 63 Sender: root@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <199312281522.KAA09812@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >Will nematodes work on the larva of taxus weevils? (sorry, I missed the >beginning of this thread). My whole lot is infested with them. I've lost >one big yew bush already and possibly a second (won't know for sure 'til >spring). The damage is caused by the grubs chewing on roots of yews, >azaleas and rhododendrons. I plan on replacing the dead yew(s) with >currants and gooseberries so I'd like to minimize the chemicals I use in >this area. > >_____________________________________________________________________________ >Marty Zimmerman cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov >Analex Corp. - NASA Lewis Research Center >Cleveland, Ohio USA Zone 6 In my catalog from Gardens Alive! it says: "Since they stay in the soil, parasitic nematodes are most effective on insects which have a larval stage in the soil or which regularly crawl across the soil surface: white grubs and the larval or grub stage of Japanese beetle, chafers, oriental beetle, June beetle, billbug, cutworms, armyworms, black vine and strawberry root weevils, fungus gnats, carrot weevils, borers, cabbage root maggots, wireworms, etc." So, to answer your question, there's a good chance they would help you control the larval stage of the taxus weevils, if they are ever crawling on the ground. In a phone call to Gardens Alive last year I asked the customer service folks if nematodes would work on controling iris borers. They said yes, if the nemotodes are ingested before boring into the iris rhizome. One must also do what one can to eliminate conditions that the pest likes. For instance, moths lay their eggs on leaf refuse around the iris leaves. Then the eggs hatch and bore into the leaves and down into the rhizomes themselves where the borers are really hard to control. If you keep the leaves off the irises (sometimes easier said than done in windy conditions) in the fall, the moths won't lay their eggs there. I have also heard that over-watering your lawns encourages the grubs (and other larvi) to take over. Many people in my neighborhood have watering systems and water about 10 or 15 minutes every morning. This is grub heaven!! To top it all off, the racoons pull up their beautiful green mats and chow down regularly. They always talk about doing something about the darn racoons without realizing the solution to their problem. Proper watering has been discussed many times in this forum, but this is another example of how you can make it less attractive for pests to do well in your garden and yard. My point is that gardening organically has many parts. It's not just stopping the "bad" chemical applications. It's composting your leaves and kitchen scraps (keep up those great postings, Jim!) and improving the soil with that compost. It's finding out what conditions pests like and making your yard unattractive for them. Applying beneficial nematodes is just one part of a plan for successful organic gardening. If you're really interested in this topic, be sure to subscribe to the magazine, Organic Gardening. I just love it and read it cover to cover every month. The editor is a riot. The articles are interesting and fun to read. Sue Susan Saari Columbus, Ohio From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!timbuk.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv Sat Jan 1 19:12:12 EST 1994 Article: 24841 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!timbuk.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv From: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe) Message-ID: <1993Dec28.110729.28759@walter.cray.com> Lines: 19 Sender: gwv@eastrg2 (George Vandenberghe) Nntp-Posting-Host: eastrg2-gate.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. Subject: Sweetheart strawberry Date: 28 Dec 93 11:07:29 CST For about the past ten years or so, a variety of strawberry named Sweetheart has been available from seed. I bought some and had fair results in New Jersey and very good results in North Florida (Tallahassee). It is a day-Neutral everbearer which means it blooms and fruits in 4-6 week flushes during good growing weather (for strawberries this meand days in the low 80s and nights in the upper 50s). About four years ago I lost my stock and replaced it with Tristar which has also done well for me. But I have never grown the two side by side. What kind of results have other gardeners on the net had with Tristar and Sweetheart and day neutral strawberries in general? I would be curious. Either post or e-mail is fine for response. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Sat Jan 1 19:12:26 EST 1994 Article: 24842 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Fruit and/or tree wanted. Message-ID: <2fpq04$gav@eis.calstate.edu> From: bmoon@eis.calstate.edu (Bruce A. Moon) Date: 28 Dec 1993 09:22:12 -0800 References: <2foa80$q76@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services NNTP-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Lines: 32 my daughter's dictionary just gives 'medlar' for the definition. Never had medlar; the Northwoods Retail nursery sells Medlar trees for $18.50. This is in Oregon, so you might not be interested since it is not necessarily a match. Here's there catalog description of the fruit: "The fruits are small, russseted apples in appearance, with long, flard calyx ends protruding from the end opposite the stem, l;ike a jester's hat. When ripe the flesh is soft like a baked apple, with a refreshing, brish flavor like old-fashioned cinnamon laced applesauce. " Morthwoods Retail Nursery, 27635 S. Oglesby Rd. CAnby, OR 97013, (503)266-5432 If you were in California, I'd tell you to check your local California Rare Fruit Growers group. I've blonged for only four months but have tasted more fruit that I knew in my previous 45 years. You might try the state organization; I don't know what services they offer, but someone said ytou could get a sample copy of their magazine for $1. They might have classifieds. The North Amerian Fruit Explorers might be another source. Their addresses according to the ORTHO Citrus and and Subtropicals book: California Rare Fruit Growers Inc. Fullerton Arboretum California State University, Fullerton Fullerton, CA 92634 Membership $10 North American Fruit Explorers Mary Kurle, Membership chairperson 10 South 055 Madison Street Hinsdale, IL 60521 Membership $6 -- Bruce Moon Rio Linda, CA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Sat Jan 1 19:12:57 EST 1994 Article: 24843 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: grape vines and rootstock Message-ID: <2fpr3r$k1h@eis.calstate.edu> From: bmoon@eis.calstate.edu (Bruce A. Moon) Date: 28 Dec 1993 09:41:15 -0800 References: Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services NNTP-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Lines: 20 Interesting you should bring the subject up. The SACRAMENTO BEE (local paper) had an article a couple of months back about a controversy in the vineyard industry because most growers have been planting vineyards with what was supposed to be a disease free rootstock but was never truly tested. You might try a library search for the article; I know the local junior college CD-ROM set up includes the bee in its database. The top experts in the country for are at the University of CAlifornia, Davis. Our area code is 916; a few calls should be able to run down probably the top man or a knowledgeable research assistant. I'm not sure whether viticulture is separate from pomology; I think it is part of the Pomology Department. Sorry I don't have an address or phone number for you. If you want grapes for your climate, New York may have a source for you,but I couldn't even point you to a school (Cornell?)If you have a gopher server, you might look for info there. Apologies for the rambling post, folks. I guess I should have made this a personal reply. Too late now... -- Bruce Moon Rio Linda, CA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Sat Jan 1 19:13:11 EST 1994 Article: 24845 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Sweetheart strawberry Message-ID: <2fqdrh$kdu@eis.calstate.edu> From: bmoon@eis.calstate.edu (Bruce A. Moon) Date: 28 Dec 1993 15:01:05 -0800 References: <1993Dec28.110729.28759@walter.cray.com> Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services NNTP-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Lines: 11 I grew Hecker, a UC introduced day neutral, this spring, letting plants root freely. After pulling off the first blossoms in the month of May I had some fruit on through May. Berries were moderate sized and flavorful. In November, I divided the plants as much as I could with the prepared beds I had available. I now have about 200 plants plus 1/3 of the original planting still undivided; a total of at least 300. Never had enough berries to freeze with 75 plants, but had plenty for strawberries and ice cream from July-September with grazing in the surrounding months. -- Bruce Moon Rio Linda, CA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 Sat Jan 1 19:13:21 EST 1994 Article: 24846 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 From: Moira_Carlson@mindlink.bc.ca (Moira Carlson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Sweetheart Strawberry Date: 29 Dec 93 00:54:14 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 79 Distribution: world Message-ID: <35279@mindlink.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mindlink.bc.ca In response to George Vandenberghe: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com who writes: >For about the past ten years or so, a variety of >strawberry named Sweetheart has been available from seed. >I bought some and had fair results in New Jersey and >very good results in North Florida (Tallahassee). It >is a day-Neutral everbearer which means it blooms and >fruits in 4-6 week flushes during good >growing weather (for strawberries this meand >days in the low 80s and nights >in the upper 50s) >About four years ago I lost my stock and replaced it >with Tristar which has also done well for me. But I have >never grown the two side by side. >What kind of results have other gardeners on the net had >with Tristar and Sweetheart and day neutral strawberries >in general? I would be curious. Either post or e-mail is >fine for response. In our climate (West coast rainforest) the day neutral strawberries that have the best reputation by far are Tribute (best yield) and Tristar (best flavour). I have been growing Tributes. This past year they started bearing in June and were still producing in early November. I would summarize my experience as follows: 1. The flavour of the berry changes as the season progresses. In June the berries are not very flavourful. As the months pass they sweeten up and become much nicer. For this reason in June the normal June bearing strawberries will beat out the Tributes for flavour by a mile. In early November I am greatful for any fresh berry out of the garden but the Tributes really are wonderful. At that time of year the only strawberries around in the stores are imported from California where, as far as I can tell, they are grown for looks and shelf-life...certainly not for taste. 2. As compared to June bearing plants these put out flowers which turn to berries rather then putting out a lot of runners. At the end of the season they start to put out more runners, but it does take longer to increase your supply of plants than it does with the June bearers. 3. We grow June bearers for eating in season, freezing, jam making, etc. In a home garden situation you would have to use up a lot of land if you were growing day neutrals for this type of use. They are certainly as prolific as the June bearers, but over a much longer time span which must be taken into consideration when you are planning how you want to use the berries. I keep my bed of Tributes purely for fresh eating - and I built the bed as close to the house as possible so running out to it just before dinner in mid-October was pretty easily done. In summary, I love my Tributes but I'm not about to give up my June bearers -they each have a place. 4. Living in the slug capital of Canada is also worth a mention. In the spring and summer there is lots in the garden to keep a slug's attention away from my prize strawberries. Come September the battle is on however. That perfect berry that I want to top my dessert is also an object of desire to the slugs. I go in for twiggy mulches, rings of ash, you name it. This keeps the depredations down to an acceptable level, but I am under no illusions. The slugs would clean me out in a minute if I wasn't paying attention. 5. Other than for the timing of the slug wars, I don't find much difference between caring for the day neutrals and the June bearers. They like decent soil and they certainly fruit better if they are in a situation that gets lots of sun - but that is true of all strawberries. My basic list for all strawberries is: a) take off overwintering leaves (likely to be infected with botrytus), b)put on a new twiggy mulch in early spring, preferably over some fresh compost. c) don't let any "momma" plant have more than two babies per season. d) interplant with garlic. e) enjoy! Cheers, Moira From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!world!jrl Sat Jan 1 19:13:32 EST 1994 Article: 24847 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!world!jrl From: jrl@world.std.com (John R Lupien) Subject: Re: Seed Exchange ???? Message-ID: Sender: Louise Mack Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die References: <1993Dec7.211140.8127@macc.wisc.edu> <93344.152850U45218@uicvm.uic.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 02:08:58 GMT Lines: 18 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.birds:7804 rec.gardens:24847 In article mnoeske@SU1AC.ess.harris.com (Mike Noeske x4143) writes: >In article <93344.152850U45218@uicvm.uic.edu>, Bob Canavan;Systems Planner II writes: >|> Were can I get information about any Seed exchange list? >SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE >3076 N. WINN RD. >DECORAH, IOWA 52101. You can also get seeds from Seed Savers/Seed Sharers which is a column in each issue of Organic Gardening Magazine. Louise Mack -- --- John R. Lupien jrl@world.std.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!wyvern!exchange!mary.wilson Sat Jan 1 19:13:49 EST 1994 Article: 24848 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Organic Gardening eMail? From: mary.wilson@exchange.com (Mary Wilson) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!wyvern!exchange!mary.wilson Distribution: world Message-ID: <2d.7919.1928.0N84F23C@exchange.com> References: <199312281522.KAA09812@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 22:07:00 -0500 Organization: EXCHANGE BBS *21 Nodes* Tidewaters "Window to the World" 14.4bis (804)552-1010 Lines: 10 Susan Saari wrote: >If you're really interested in this topic, be sure to subscribe to the >magazine, Organic Gardening. I just love it and read it cover to cover >every month. The editor is a riot. The articles are interesting and fun to >read. So, does Mike McGrath have an eMail address yet? --- þ QMPro 1.50 42-5794 þ The best things in life... COST! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ucla-cs!ucla-ma!julia!ramirez Sat Jan 1 19:13:59 EST 1994 Article: 24850 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!ucla-cs!ucla-ma!julia!ramirez From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) Subject: Medlars Message-ID: <1993Dec29.063309.21415@math.ucla.edu> Sender: news@math.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 06:33:09 GMT Lines: 104 > > my daughter's dictionary just gives 'medlar' for the definition. >Never had medlar; the Northwoods Retail nursery sells Medlar trees for >$18.50. This is in Oregon, so you might not be interested since it is not >necessarily a match. Here's there catalog description of the fruit: >"The fruits are small, russseted apples in appearance, with long, flard >calyx ends protruding from the end opposite the stem, l;ike a jester's >hat. When ripe the flesh is soft like a baked apple, with a refreshing, >brish flavor like old-fashioned cinnamon laced applesauce. " Medlars are relatives of pear and quince and a native of S.E. Europe and Asia. According to The Fruit and Nut Book by Helen Radecka, it likes a cool temperate climate and now grows throught most of the Northern Hemixphere. I have lifted the following from the same book: "It was once a valuable winter fruit, but today ...it is not nearly so popular. However, medlars have great ornamental value. Slow-growing smallish trees which will reach 20-25 feet, they can be kept to half that wityhout much trouble and are rather like quinces with a distinctive gnarled crooked habit, sometimes pendulous, and very pretty in flower." In terms of harvest "Traditionally medl;ars are picked after the first frosts, but even then they are still hard and bitter..." (your nursery catalogue waffles a bit here) It requires a period of maturing, known as "bletting" to become palatable. "For this they are stored, stalks up, in a cool, well-ventilated place without touching each other for about 3 weeks or until they turn soft and brown, rather like over-rupe pears. The stalks may be dipped in brine to help prevent rotting. Although they may look unattractive and semi-rotten, they have finally acquired their characteristic slightly sweet yet acid taste and soft, buttery consistency. "In warm climates, the fruit will ripen on the tree and doesd not have to be bletted. Ripe medlars are traditionally eaten with port wine Slightly unripe fruit is used to make a delicious orange jelly with a quince-like taste. The Mediterranean medlar, or Azorole, although related, actually belongs to the Hawthorn genus Crataegus." This is the sort of fruit that the folks over in rec.food.historical will have heard of. a 4 oz serving of medlar has apx 40 calories. Its main nutrient is potassium. How are your medlars bletting? Why, when I think of port and bletted medlars, the image of a dissolute young nobleman leaps to mind? I apologize for quoting from a book, but here in Guava Territory, medlars are no more successful than quince in the garden. > If you were in California, I'd tell you to check your local California >Rare Fruit Growers group. I've blonged for only four months but have >tasted more fruit that I knew in my previous 45 years. You might try the >state organization; I don't know what services they offer, but someone Hey, don't let the name fool you. My beloved weird fruit group has a national and international membership. Where out-of-staters may get shortchanged is in local chapters. There are many in Cal, but if enough enthusiasts wanted to form a chapter elsewhere, the leaders of CRFG certainly wouldn't complain. Your fruit might not be subtropical, but hey, rare fruit simply means.... rare fruit! Cloudberries? Heirlooms? Gooseberries?? Saskatoons??? >said ytou could get a sample copy of their magazine for $1. They might Haven't heard of this. You could check. But don't count on it. >have classifieds. The North Amerian Fruit Explorers might be another Yes, they do. Also experts members can write to for advice for growing various things. >source. Their addresses according to the ORTHO Citrus and and NAFEX is a good group too, so I've heard. Don't know much about it, but SOMEONE must. B>ASubtropicals book: B >California Rare Fruit Growers Inc. >Fullerton Arboretum >California State University, Fullerton >Fullerton, CA 92634 >Membership $10 $10?? Uh-Uh! $16 in the U.S. For this you get a very nice bi-monthly magazine, access to experts, local chapters in-state, selected books and publications that may be difficult to find elsewhere (regarding fruit, of course) some amazing recipes in each issue, involving fruit of course, and the right to purchase from a seed bank. (selections in the Dec. 1993 issue include, in addition to such standbys as Asimina triloba assorted citrus and Diospyros spp, really rare seeds such as Clausenia Iansium (wampi); Hovenia dulcis (Japanese raisin tree); Solanum quitoense (Naranjilla); Synsepalum dulcificum (miracle fruit); Lucuma salcifolia (yello sapote) and Thong Dee Notto, a pummelo-Chinotto hybrid that is brachytic and produces a small pummello-type fruit. >North American Fruit ExplorersMary Kurle, Membership chairperson >10 South 055 Madison Street >Hinsdale, IL 60521 >Membership $6 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius Sat Jan 1 19:17:18 EST 1994 Article: 24864 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius From: Bob Klebba Subject: Re: Haricot Vert? Message-ID: <1993Dec29.192433.10785@nicmad.uucp> Sender: usenet@nicmad.uucp Nntp-Posting-Host: mac1_21 Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corporation X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1 References: <2fnamf$pkd@eis.calstate.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 19:24:33 GMT Lines: 22 In article <2fnamf$pkd@eis.calstate.edu> Gladys Roseman, grosema@eis.calstate.edu writes: >Shepard's Garden Seeds lists "haricots verts" as a true French "filet" >bean with long, round, pencil-slim straight 6-inch pods. They have >several varieties. A phone number in CT is 203-482-3638, and in CA >408-335-6902 for ordering, and the address is SGS, 30 Irene St. >Torrington, CT. The true French "filet" bean is a bit tastier than the American version of the green bean. However I've found that the French beans are more prone to disease and get tougher faster. The summer midwestern climate is pretty tough on vegetables (high humidity, temperature swings) and disease resistance is not to be overlooked here. The toughness is a problem only for lazy gardners like me. If you're out there everyday picking beans, I wouldn't worry about their getting too old. Bob Klebba Madison, Wisconsin, USDA zone 4 Inet: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu "Submit to Barney" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!br105 Sat Jan 1 19:18:21 EST 1994 Article: 24865 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!br105 From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.gardens Subject: RE: Gingko Date: 30 Dec 1993 16:37:20 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 26 Message-ID: <2fv040$48p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <1993Dec7.211140.8127@macc.wisc.edu> <93344.152850U45218@uicvm.uic.edu> <14DEC93.17055217@rhea.arc.ab.ca> <1993Dec16.185939.13590@gw.wmich.edu> <20DEC93.15305727@rhea.arc.ab.ca> Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) NNTP-Posting-Host: nextsun.ins.cwru.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.birds:7817 rec.gardens:24865 In a previous article, thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca () says: >In a previous article, x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu wrote: >> >>I didn't know they were edible. Ginkgo "fruits" have the odor of rancid >>butter.(PU!) ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ How about "fresh vomit?" Back in the neolithic era when I was an undergraduate, I lived in dorm that had half a dozen female ginkgo trees in the courtyard. One morning I woke up convinced that my roommate had done the big spit after a night's drinking, but I soon discovered that the source of the stench was the ginkgo grove. All of them were loaded with fruit and stinky as hell. The butyric acid fume level was incredible. However, once you wash off the wretched (all puns intended) fleshy covering, the nuts are tasty. J. Del Col -- Jeff Del Col * "If you listen to music by Beethoven a lot, A-B College * you will never become stupid--unless you already Philippi, WV * are, in which case there's still no harm in it." * -----Uncle Borgel---(AKA Pinkwater) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!mr.net!medtronic.com!not-for-mail Sat Jan 1 19:18:35 EST 1994 Article: 24866 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!mr.net!medtronic.com!not-for-mail From: dr0000@medtronic.COM (Dan Ryan) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: three questions Date: 30 Dec 1993 11:06:54 -0600 Organization: Medtronic, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2fv1re$j7i@venezuela.inst.medtronic.COM> References: <1993Dec16.185939.13590@gw.wmich.edu> <20DEC93.15305727@rhea.arc.ab.ca> <2fv040$48p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: venezuela.inst.medtronic.com Hello, I have three questions: 1. I am interested in a book I read about here last year, I believe it was called "The Seed Starter's Handbook". I checked at B. Dalton and they don't stock it. Is that the correct name? Does anyone have information that will help me to special order it? 2. I'm looking for a MO seed source for peach/salmon/coral colored flowers. I am particularly interested in a medium sized impatiens variety and a geranium variety (not sure there is such a geranium). I have only dealt with Gurney so far, and they seem to have mainly mixes. Local stores don't seem to carry much of a selection either. I have two locations where I want to plant these flowers, one is fairly shady, and the other sunny. 3. Any recommedations for a flower that will grow from a flower bed and hang over a 3' retaining wall? I want something manageable because my lawn is at the bottom of the retaining wall and I want to mow without worrying about killing the vine. I also plan on planting a variety of other plants in the bed atop the retaining wall. It is located in full sun. I am located in Zone 4. Thanks Dan +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dan Ryan dr0000@medtronic.com | | Medtronic, Inc 612-542-6014 | | 7000 Central Ave, NE | | Minneapolis, MN 55432 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Sat Jan 1 19:18:44 EST 1994 Article: 24867 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: three questions Date: 30 Dec 1993 17:46:04 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 19 Message-ID: <2fv44s$ebt@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <1993Dec16.185939.13590@gw.wmich.edu> <20DEC93.15305727@rhea.arc.ab.ca> <2fv040$48p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <2fv1re$j7i@venezuela.inst.medtronic.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Dan Ryan (dr0000@medtronic.COM) wrote: : Hello, : I have three questions: : 1. I am interested in a book I read about here last year, I believe : it was called "The Seed Starter's Handbook". I checked at B. Dalton : and they don't stock it. Is that the correct name? Does anyone : have information that will help me to special order it? Dan, I'm afraid I can only help with question #1. I have "The New Seed-Starters Handbook", author Nancy Bubel, publishers are Rodale Press, Emmaus, Pennsylvania, 1988, ISBN 0-87857-747-5 (hardcover) and 0-87857-752-1 (paperback). I think it's around $15-$18 in paperback but I got it for $9 at my favourite used book store that has a great garden section, all for half-price and lots looking unused! Jan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen Sat Jan 1 19:19:18 EST 1994 Article: 24877 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) Subject: Re: An interesting question about roses Message-ID: <1993Dec30.225011.26674@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@casbs.Stanford.EDU (CASBS News Service) Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences References: <2fdsn3$bop@engage.sps.mot.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1993 22:50:11 GMT Lines: 33 In article <2fdsn3$bop@engage.sps.mot.com> fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq Butt) writes: >How exactly does a rose "go dormant" in a mild-winter clime (less than >24 hours of sub-freezing weather all winter on average)? At some >point in fall (in Texas) roses are covered with a profusion of leaves, >yet the ones I buy as bare-root stock are domant leafless green canes. >Other than my WAAAAAAY too early pruning (for those of you that have >been following my rose misadventures) in November, what caused two of >my roses to NOT go dormant (another one went the other direction and >turned black and died :-( ) ? I would have laid the blame squarely on >my own shoulders for having pruned and encouraged new growth in the >fall BUT I am starting to notice OTHER roses in the neighborhood and >although we _have_ had five or so hard freezes, they all are green and >have leaves. What's going on ? I am deathly nervous about the green, >growing roses out there: shouldn't they be fast asleep? I do not wanna >lose a very pampered Double Delight and Christian Dior... :-( DO NOT WORRY. In warm climates, roses may never go completely dormant. It doesn't matter; in January you pick off the leaves (to prevent overwintering diseases), clean up the ground, and prune. In March (in warm climates, after the last danger of frost) you feed and water and spray for fungus and stand back. You should have blooms in April and on through fall. My David Austins are still blooming up a storm despite several freezing nights in CA. The ones in the most exposed positions have lost some leaves, but the rest are green. THIS IS NORMAL. You should be much more worried about blackspot than dormancy in Austin. If you can keep it at bay, you will do fine. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen Much, Editor |E-mail: kathleen@casbs.stanford.EDU CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |Phone: (415) 321-2052 Stanford, CA 94305 |Fax: (415) 321-1192 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!hopper!adamf Sat Jan 1 19:19:45 EST 1994 Article: 24880 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!hopper!adamf From: adamf@hopper.ITC.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: What's a good shell bean with pretty flowers? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Internet Access Project, U.Va/ITC References: <1993Dec30.150254.25062@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1993 01:50:06 GMT Lines: 15 Hello. I've got an old heirloom cv. known as "forty bushel" thats a great soup bean, which I will share with the first 2 requests but the best place for this info is the SSE from Iowa. They have at least 200 cvs of soup beans if not more. Seed Savers Exchange 3076 North Winn Road Decorah, IA 52101 Adam -- Adam Finkelstein Apiary Inspector Virginia Dept of Agriculture 116 Reservoir St. 703-433-1006 Standard Disclaimers Apply Harrisonburg, VA 22801 703-434-5607 (fax) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!sgi!cdp!libby Sat Jan 1 19:20:01 EST 1994 Article: 24885 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!sgi!cdp!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: rec.gardens Date: 30 Dec 93 16:01 PST Subject: Re: Frog Fruit Message-ID: <1453300428@cdp> References: <1993Dec27.024040.26014@math.ucla> Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 2 It is a small but very spreading vine. The fruit are not edible, but the leaves have some food and medicinal value. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!digex.net!ss1.digex.net!not-for-mail Tue Jan 4 22:13:02 EST 1994 Article: 24926 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!digex.net!ss1.digex.net!not-for-mail From: lisa@ss1.digex.net (Lisa Losito) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: The Growing EDGE Magazine Date: 3 Jan 1994 13:28:45 -0500 Organization: Express Access -- A service of Digital Express Group Lines: 58 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2g9o4t$b5b@ss1.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ss1.digex.net Press Release raisch@internet.com The Electronic Newsstand Makes Selections from Growing Edge Available to the Internet High Tech Gardening Magazine Enters the Online World January 3, 1994 -- The Electronic Newsstand ( a.k.a. "Enews") announces that it has made available selections from The Growing EDGE, a quarterly magazine with a focus on innovative methods of gardening and the cultivation of plants. Since 1989, The Growing EDGE has been reporting on the latest developments in indoor and outdoor high tech gardening. Greenhouses, environmental controls, computer garden controls, artificial lighting, hydroponics (systems, designs, and supplies), irrigation and water conservation, new organic methods and techniques, biodiversity remediation, aquaculture, plant propagation and breeding have all been reported on regularly for the professional grower and hobby gardener. Various selections from each issue are made available in plain text on the Electronic Newsstand's Gopher server, located on the Internet at "gopher.internet.com" Gopher is a menu-oriented client-server information browsing and retrieval tool originally developed at the University of Minnesota. Internet users with access to a Gopher client program can simply specify "gopher gopher.internet.com" at their command prompt; other Internet users may use the Gopher client program provided by the Internet Company, accessed by remote-login ("telnet gopher.internet.com" -- when requested to provide a "login" name, use: enews). (Both methods require a user account with real-time Internet access, such as from a connected company or university, online service such as DELPHI or BIX, or public-access sites like NYC's PANIX, DC's Digex, SF's Portal, Boston's World or California's Netcom.) # The Electronic Newsstand is a joint venture between The New Republic (Washington, DC) and The Internet Company (Cambridge, MA), also providing Table of Contents and selected partial/full article text for over fifty magazines including The New Yorker, The New Republic, The National Review, Outside, The Learning Channel Magazine and Internet World magazine. For more information, contact: The Electronic Newsstand, Paul Vizza (vizza@enews.com) 1-800-403-6397 The Internet Company, Robert Raisch (raisch@internet.com) 1-617-547-4731 -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lisa M. Losito "Dilute, Dilute, Dilute. OK!" lisa@digex.net -- Dr. Bronner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:21:45 EST 1994 Article: 25314 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Seed catalogs: 1 Message-ID: <1994Jan13.010904.21438@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 13 Jan 94 01:09:04 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 649 ZDate: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:37 CDT From: KLIER@iscsvax.uni.edu GENERAL SEED CATALOGS: NORTH AMERICAN (and a few plant catalogs, and a few British and Swedish firms) revision of 2 October, 1992 Bob Batson provided the list that was the basis of this FAQ. Comments are mainly his. Jim Bishop, Steve Holder, Mike Huben, Risto Paasivirta, Beverly Erlebacher, Ceci Henningsson added others. Another good place to hunt seed catalog addresses is the list published annually in a winter issue of _Flower and Garden_ Magazine. Most spring seed catalogs are issued in late December/early January. Some additions and comments by Kay Klier; typos are probably hers! Unless otherwise indicated, assume the catalog covers a general range of seeds, including flowers, vegetables and herbs. Beginning gardeners are advised to obtain and study the catalogs that are marked as especially useful for novices; you'll get good basic gardening information (mostly for free!). The White Flower Farm catalogs are also well-written information on growing perennials, shrubs and trees. You may find yourself saving these as reference materials. Native North American species, specialist lists, catalogs of plants, bulb catalogs, and herb catalogs are covered in their respective FAQL's. Cat - Catalog CC - Credit Cards cv - cultivar(s) (=variety) heirloom -- old cultivars (varieties) Min. - Minimum Order OVER - Overseas PC - Personal Checks OC - Other Currencies op - open-pollinated (non-hybrid) orn - ornamentals R&W - retail and wholesale SASE - Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope SP: - Specialises In veg. - vegetable(s) * - good for beginning gardeners + - highly recommended for beginning gardeners, IMHO ABUNDANT LIFE SEED FOUNDATION BANANA TREE (THE) P.O. Box 772 715 Northampton St. Townsend, WA 98368 Easton, PA 18042 Cat $1, R&W, Min. $10; op & Cat $2, R&W, PC/CC, OVER, Min. heirloom veg, herbs, green $6.50, SP: rare & uncommon tropical manures, natives, books; organic seeds & bulbs, banana corms, palms, emphasis. oriental veg., ornamentals. AGWAY, INC. BAXTER (WALTER) SEED CO. 1225 Zeager Road P.O. Box 8175 Elisabethtown, PA 17022 Weslaco, TX 78596-3175 Cat $0, PC/CC; A full-line Cat $0, R&W, PC, OVER, Min. $1 farmer's co-op for seeds BEA'S SERVICE ALBERTA NURSERIES & SEEDS, LTD. P.O. Box 8422 Box 20 Calabasas, CA 91302 Bowden, Alta. Cat $0, PC, OVER, SP: chili Canada T0M 0K0 pepper seeds from Mexico Cat $0 in Canada, $2 US; orn & veg for short seasons; northern BELCHE HERB CO. wildflowers P.O. Box 1305 Schenectedy, NY 12301 ALFREY SEEDS P.O. Box 415 BOJO'S GARDEN SEED Knoxville, TN 37901 P.O. Box 1408 Cat SASE, PC, OVER, SP: Rare Caldwell, ID 83606 and hard to find peppers, tomatoes, Cat $0, RW, PC, OVER, SP: & okra traditional op veg. seeds for the home gardener. Emphasis is on ALLEN, STERLING & LOTHROP flavor. 191 US Rt 1 Falmouth, ME 04105 BOUNTIFUL GARDENS/ECOLOGY ACTION Usual run of veg, ann. 5798 Ridgewood Road ornamentals, list of cover crops, Wilits, CA 95490 fertilizers for organic gardeners, Cat $0, RW, PC/CC, OVER, SP: op lawn grass. seeds; books ALTA SEEDS BOUNTIFUL HARVEST P.O. Box 253 P.O. Box 11295 Potrero, CA 92063 Des Moines, IA 50340-1295 Cat $2 refundable, PC/OC, OVER, Cat $1, PC/CC SP: vegetables for home gardeners BRICKER'S ORGANIC FARMS, INC. APOTHECARY SEED COMPANY 824-K Sandbar Ferry Road P.O. Box 1324 Augusta, GA 30901 Battle Ground, WA 98604 Cat $0, R&W PC Cat $0, PC, SP: rare & unusual op veg., culinary & medicinal BRODERNA herbs, scented plants & natural Broederna Nelsons Froe AB** pest control. S-362 00 TINGSRYD SWEDEN ARCHIAS' SEED STORE. Cat $0. Allround. 106 East Main Street **oe=o with two dots above it) Sedalia, MO 65301 Cat $0, R&W, PC/CC, OVER; U of Missouri vegetable cvs, including 5 cv popcorn, op corn, tomatoes. BRUDY (JOHN) EXOTICS 3411 Westfield Drive COMPANION PLANTS Brandon, FL 33511 7247 N Coolville Ridge Cat $2 refundable, PC, OVER, Athens, OH 45701 SP: seeds of exotic tropical Cat $2; herbs (plants & seeds); trees & shrubs, both ornamental & Eastern US natives. edible. COMSTOCK, FERRE & CO BURGESS SEED AND PLANT CO. P.O. Box 125 905 Four Seasons Road Wethersfield, CT 06109-0125 Bloomington, IL 61701 Cat $0, RW, PC/CC, OVER, Min. Cat $1, CC $15, old-fashioned flowers, veg. (established in 1820) BURPEE (W. ATLEE) & CO. * + 300 Park Avenue COOK'S GARDEN (THE) Warminster, PA 18974 P.O. Box 65 Cat $0, RW, PC/CC Londonderry, VT 05148 One of the oldest & best known Cat $1, RW, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seed comp. in the US; good general seeds of lettuce, salad greens & range of plants; good info. mesclun; also has some gourmet veg. seed BURRELL (D.V.) SEED GROWERS CO. P.O. Box 150 CORNS Rocky Ford, CO 81067-0150 Rt 1, Box 32 Cat $0, RW, PC, OVER Turpin, OK 73950 Veg and flower seed; small Cat $1, deductible; op and inexpensive packets; some vars esp. heirloom cvs of corn (maize) for Intermountain West; melon list esp. strong. COTTAGE GARDEN (THE) PO Box 106 BUTCHART GARDENS SEED STORE Woodstock, IL 60098 Box 4010, Station A Victoria, BC V8X 3X4 COUNTRY GARDEN (THE) Canada PO Box 3539 Catalog $1, deductible; orn. Oakland, CA 94609 Cat $2; flowers for cutting BUTTERBROOKE FARM 78 Barry Road CRICKET HILL HERB FARM Oxford, CT 06483 Glen Street Cat $0.50, RW, PC, OVER, SP: Rowley, MA 01969 traditional & op veg. seeds for Cat $1; herbs, scented short growing seasons geraniums, orn. CAPRILANDS HERB FARM CROSMAN SEED CORPORATION 534 Silver Street P.O. Box 110 Coventry, CT 06238 East Rochester, NY 14445 Cat $0, RW, PC, Min. $3, CARROLL GARDENS (established in 1838); general PO Box 310 range of seeds, most packets $0.59 Westminster, MD 21157 CROSS SEED CO, INC CHILTERN SEEDS HC69, Box 2 Bortree Stile Bunker Hill, KS 67626 Ulverston Cat $1, deductible; organically Cumbria, LA2 7PB grown seeds & grains England Cat $?; about *5000* species, esp. European, South African, Australian wildfls. Utterly amazing! CURRAN (JOHN) SPECIALTY SEED CO. ECHO 14 Cedar Ave. 17430 Durrance Road Manahawkin, NY 08050 North Fort Meyers, FL 33917 Cat $1, PC/OC, OVER, SP: seed Cat $1, PC, OVER, SP: seeds & of open-pollinated traditional & plants of underexploited but heirloom veg. & culinary herbs, important tropical foods selected for fine flavor & resistance to drought & heat. ED HUME SEEDS PO Box 2450 D.V. Burrell Seed Growers Kent, WA 98032 See: BURRELL Cat $0; veg. and orn. for cool- season growing in Pacific NW. DABNEY HERBS Box 22061 EVERGREEN Y.H. ENTERPRISES Louisville, Kentucky 40222 P.O. Box 17538 Anaheim, CA 92817 DAM (William) SEEDS Cat $1, deductible; oriental P.O. Box 8400 vegetable seeds Dundas, Ontario Canada L9H 6M1 FARMER SEED & NURSEY CO. * Cat $2 (ref); SP: Veg, orn, P.O. Box 129 herbs. Many Dutch and other Faribault, MN 55021 European cvs. Untreated seeds. Cat $0, PC/CC/OC, OVER Ships to U.S. and other foreign countries. FEDCO SEEDS 52 Mayflower Hill Dr. De GIORGI CO. INC. Waterville, ME 04901 6011 N St Cat $1, veg, herb, orn seeds. Omaha, NE 68117 Cat $2, PC, OVER FIELD'S (HENRY) SEED & NURSERY * commercial and home grower + quantities, emphasis esp. on cvs 407 Sycamore Street for prairie states. Strong lists Shenandoah, IA 51602 for perennials, rock-garden, Cat $0, PC/CC; everything cabbage. basic; folksy flavor. DILL (Howard) ENTERPRISES FISCHER GREENHOUSES RR1 609-927-3399 Windsor, Nova Scotia B0N 2T0 Linwood, NJ 08221 Canada specializing in African Violets Cat $1; pumpkin seedss, including 'Atlantic Giant' FLOATING MOUNTAIN SEEDS P.O. Box 1275 DOMINION SEED HOUSE Port Angeles, WA 98362 115 Guelph St. Cat $1.50, PC/CC, OVER. Georgetown, Ontario CANADA L7G 4A2 FLOWER AND HERB EXCHANGE Cat $0, *Canadian Orders ONLY*; Rt. 3, Box 239 good veg and flower list, many Decorah, Iowa 52101 especially selected for earliness and cold-tolerance; good upply and FOX HILL FARM tool list. PO Box 7 Parma, MI 49269 Dr. Yoo Farm See: YOO FOX HOLLOW HERBS P.O. Box 148 Earl May Seed and Nursery Company McGrann, PA 16236 SEE: MAY FRAGRANT PATH GLECKLER'S SEEDSMEN PO Box 328 Metamora, OH 43540 Fort Calhoun, NE 68023 Cat $0, PC, OVER, Min. $2; Cat $1; Fragrant and old heirloom veg. fashioned flowers. GOODWIN CREEK GARDEN FRIENDS OF THE TREES PO Box 83 P.O. Box 1064 Williams, OR 97544 Tonasket, WA 98855 GRINAN GARDENS G. SEED CO. PO Box 14492 PO Box 72 San Fransisco, CA 94114 Tonasket, WA 98855 Cat $1, deductible; Cat $1; op veg, herb, orn; many ornamentals, many from abroad heirlooms. GURNEY SEED & NURSEY CO. *+ GARDEN CITY SEEDS * 1224 Page Street 1324 Red Crow Road 605-665-1930 Victor, MT 59875-9713 Yankton, SD 57079 Cat $2, PC, OVER; seeds for Cat $0, PC/CC/OC northern climates subzero roses; large stock of orn. & veg. cvs. (established in GARDENIMPORT INC. * 1866) P.O. Box 760 Thornhill, ON L3T 4A5 HALINAR (Dr. JOSEPH C.) CANADA 2333 Crooked Finger Rd Cat $4, PC/CC, OVER (N.A. Scotts Mills, OR 97375 agents for Sutton Seeds of GB); Cat for 1 1st class stamp; good bulb list as well as veg, seeds of daylilies, lilies, allium flower; some British & European cvs. HARRIS MORAN SEED COMPANY 3670 Buffalo Road GARDENS ALIVE! Moreton Farm P.O. Box 149 Rochester, NY 14624 Sunman, IN 47041 HARRIS SEEDS * GAZE SEED CO. 60 Saginaw Drive PO Box 640 Rochester, NY 14623 St. John's, Newfoundland A1C 5K8 Cat $0, PC/CC CANADA general; also lawn seeds Cat $0; orn, veg, lawn grasses, trees, shrubs, good HASTINGS - THE SOUTHERN GARDENER'S selection of tools & supplies, CATALOG incl. forks and hand plows. 800-334-1771 (IN GA 404-755-6580) 1036 White Street, SW Geo. W. Park Seed Co., Inc. PO Box 115535 SEE PARK'S Atlanta, GA 30310-8535 seeds, plants, water gardening, GH ALTITUDE GARDENS organics, gardening aids P.O. Box 4619 Ketchum, ID 83340 HASTINGS AND COMPANY (H.G.) 1-800-874-7333 (telephone) Box 4274 Cat $3, PC/CC, OVER. Atlanta, GA 30302 Regional seed company dedicated to making available seeds of veg., HEIRLOOM GARDENS herbs, wild flowers & native Box 138 grasses adapted to short season, Guerneville, CA 95446 high altitude climates around the Cat $2.50; orn. & herbs world. HEIRLOOM SEEDS P.O. Box 245 J.W. Jung Seed Company Finleyville, PA 15088-0245 See Jung's Cat $1, deductible; veg & orn. JACKSON AND PERKINS Henry Fields and Company Box 1028 SEE FIELD'S Medford, OR 97501 1-800-292-grow HIGH ALTITUDE GARDENS Cat $0, hybrid roses and other PO Box 4238 perennials Ketchum, ID 83340 Cat $3; op veg, wildflowers, JOHN SCHEEPERS, INC native grasses, organic P.O. Box 700 fertiilizers and pest controls; Bantam, CT 06750 wildflower seed locally collected. 203-567-0838 Strong list for Intermountain West. nice range of bulbs HOLLAND WILDFLOWER FARM HS JOHNNY'S SELECTED SEEDS * Elkins, AR 72727 310 Foss Hill Road Albion, ME 04910 HORTICULTURAL ENTERPRISES (AU) Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seeds P.O. Box 810082 for cool, short-season areas, esp. Dallas, TX 75381-0082 veg. Cat $0, PC. Large selection of chile & sweet pepper seed JOHNSON SEED CO. 227 Ludwig Ave. HUDSON (J.L), SEEDSMAN Dousman, WI 53118 P.O. Box 1058 Cat. $0; heirloom and modern Redwood City, CA 94064 veg. seed. Cat $1, PC, OVER rarities, incl. veg from Zapotec JORDAN SEEDS INC Indians of Mexico; mostly for 6400 Upper Afton Road serious, experienced gardeners Woodbury, MN 55125 Cat $0 IMPECTA HANDELS S-640 25 JULITA JUDE HERBS SWEDEN Box 563-CJ Cat $0. PC. house plants, Huntington Station, NY 11746 trees, flowers, herbs, vegetables. Some black/white photos. SP: Rare JUNG QUALITY SEEDS seeds. 414-326-4100 - orders only 335 S. High St. INTERMOUNTAIN SEEDS Randolph, WI 53957-0001 P.O. Box Cat $0, PC/CC Rexburg, ID 83440 Cat $0, PC. Veg., herb & flower KELLY NURSERIES seeds adapted to the cool night Dansville, NY 12237 temperatures & short growing season of the Intermountain region KESTER WILD GAME FOOD NURSERIES PO Box V ISLAND SEED MAIL ORDER Omro, WI 54963 PO Box 4278, Station A Cat $2; Seeds, bulbs for Victoria, BC V8X 3X8 species favored as food and cover CANADA by game species. Cat $2; good basic list for Pacific NW KITAZAWA SEED CO. 1748 Lane Avenue J.L.HUDSON, SEEDSMAN Santa Clara, CA 95051 PO Box 1058-HW Cat $0; oriental veg and herb Redwood City, CA 94064 seeds. LONG ISLAND SEED COMPANY KRIDER NURSERIES 1368 Flanders Road PO Box 29 Flanders NY 11901 Middlebury, IN 46540 LOUISIANA NURSERY KSA JOJOBA Rt 7, Box 43 19025 Parthenia St Opelousas, LA 70570 Northridge, CA 91324 3 catalogs: $3 daylilies & Cat SASE + 2 $0.29 stamps; Louisiana irises; $5 magnolias, jojoba trees, shrubs, vines; $3 crinums and other bulbs LAKELAND NURSERY SALES Unique Merchandise Mart MAY (EARL) SEED & NURSERY *+ Building 1 208 North Elm Street Hanover, PA Shenandoah, IA 51603 Cat $0; An amazing exercise in 1-800-831-4193 (telephone) off-the-wall "common names" and Cat $0, PC/CC; old, established hype. Caution (and a large grain seed and nursery with usual range of salt) advised. of veg, orn, trees and shrubs. LANDRETH SEED CO. * Mc CRORY'S SUNNY HILL HERB FARM P.O. Box 6426 Star Route 3 Box 844 Baltimore, MD 21230 Eustis, FL 32726 Cat $2, OVER. (established in 1784); veg. McCLURE & ZIMMERMAN 108 W. Winnebago LAVAL SEEDS [=SEMENANCES LAVAL] P.O. Box 368 3505 Saint Martin West Friesland, WI 53935 [=3505 Boulevard St-Martin Ouest] 414-326-5769 Ville de Laval, Que. bulbs, esp. species and uncommon. Canada H7T 1A2 Cat. $0, good list of veg, orn, McFAYDEN SEEDS houseplant seeds. PO Box 1800 Brandon, Manitoba R7A 6N4 LE JARDIN DU GOURMET Canada West Danville, VT 05873 Cat $0; good selection of cvs Gourmet veg. seeds. for colder climates; also wine and beer-making supplies. LE MARCHE SEEDS INTERNATIONAL Box 566 MELLINGER'S INC. *+ Dixon, CA 95620 2310 West South Range Rd. Gourrmet veg. seeds. North Lima, OH 44452-9731 1-800-321-7444 (telephone) LEDDEN (OROL) & SONS 216-549-9861 P.O. Box 7 Fax: 216-549-3716 Sewell, NJ 08080-0007 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER 609 468-1000 nursery stock, house plants, Cat $0, PC/CC: cvs adapted for tools, pots, soil mixes, etc.; NE US; pasture, lawn, some offers small quantities of heirlooms; seeds, bulbs, plants, commercial growers supplies that cover crops, supplies. can be otherwise difficult to find. LIBERTY SEED COMPANY * MEYER SEED CO. * P.O. Box 806 600 S. Caroline St. New Philadelphia, OH 44663 Baltimore, MD 21231 216-364-1611 Cat $0, PC/CC; specializes in fax: 216-364-6415 seed for MD, northern VA. interesting mix of veg and farm seeds, some flowers MICHIGAN BULB COMPANY OF THE JUNGLE 1950 Waldorf, N.W. PO box 1801 Grand Rapids, MI 49550 sebastopol, ca 95473 cheap prices, complaints on Catalog $2, SP: ethnobotany ; quality; caveat emptor Very exotic selection of seeds and plants, mostly of ethno- MIDWEST SEED GROWERS, INC. pharmacological or ethnic food 505 Walnut St. type. Also (strange) botanical Kansas City, MO 64106 products. MILEAGER'S GARDENS OLDS SEED CO. * 4838 Douglas Avenue P.O. Box 7790 Racine, WI 53402-2498 Madison, WI 53707 1-800-669-9956 Cat $2.50 refundable, PC, OVER bulbs ONTARIO SEED CO, LTD MOON MOUNTAIN WILDFLOWERS Box 144 P.O. Box 34 Waterloo, Ont. Morro Bay, CA 93442 Canada N2J 3Z9 MOUNTAIN SEED & NURSERY ORIENTAL SEED CO P.O. Box 9107 PO Box 330058 Moscow, ID Hartford, CT 06133 Cat $1 refundable, PC/CC, OVER, Cat $2 deductible, oriental SP: seeds for cold short season veg, herbs, orn. areas Orol Ledden & Sons, Inc. MUSSER FORESTS, INC. See: Ledden PO Box S-91 M Indiana, PA 15701 Otis S. Twilley Seed Company, Inc. 412-465-5685 See: TWILLEY fax: 412-465-9893 trees, esp. seedlings for Otto Richter & Sons reforestation See: RICHTER NATIVE SEEDS/SEARCH PAGE SEED CO. 3950 W. New York Drive P.O. Box 158 Tucson, AZ 85745 Greene, NY 13778 Cat $1; 200+ cvs of vegetable Cat $0, PC seed adapted to desert SW; organized by an ethnobotanist, so PARK (GEORGE W.) SEED CO. *+ strong representation of seeds from Cokesbury Road native peoples (landraces). Strong Greenwood, SC 29647-0001 book section. Cat $0, PC/CC NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY INC. *+ PEACE SEEDS 1190 North Pacific Hwy. 2385 S.E. Thompson St. Albany, OR 97321 Corvallis, OR 97333 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER Cat $3.50, PC/OC, OVER (unconfirmed reports of poor germination) PEPPER GAL (THE) 10536 119th Ave. North NOEL'S GARDEN SEEDS Largo, FL 34643 R.D. #2K Cat $0, PC Mails to US & Canada Oxford, NY 13830 only. Seeds of over 200 Cat SASE, PC, SP: o.p. veg. for cultivars of hot, sweet & home gardeners in the Northeast. ornamental peppers. PIEDMONT PLANT COMPANY RICHTER AND SONS, LTD. (Otto) PO Box 424 Box 26 Albany, GA 31703 Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0 Canada PINETREE GARDEN SEEDS *+ Cat $2.50 Can, $4 US; extensive Route 100 herb list, but also some veg and New Gloucester, ME 04260 "useful plants"; organic pest Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER controls and beneficial insects for Good seeds (many op) in small Canadian shipment only. packets at very reasonable prices; small selection of bulbs; pretty RONNINGER'S SEED POTATOES good book and tool selection. Star Route Moyie Springs, ID 83845 PORTER & SONS SEEDSMAN Box 104 SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Stephenville, TX 76401-0104 Rt. 3, Box 239 Cat $0, good veg. list adapted Decorah, Iowa 52101 to TX, lesser flower list. SEED SETS PRAIRIE STATE COMMODITIES Dept. F PO Box 6 1130 Tetherow Rd Trilla, IL 62469 Williams, OR 97544 Cat $1; ag seeds, cover crops, op field corn SEED SHOP, THE Tongue River Stage R.H. Shumway Miles City, MT 59301 SEE SHUMWAY Cat $2; cacti & succulent seed SEEDS BLUM RIPLEY'S BELIEVE IT OR NOT WORLD'S Idaho City Stage MOST UNUSUAL GARDENING CATALOG Boise, ID 83706 10 Bay St Cat $3, PC, OVER, SP: heirloom Westport, CT 06880 veg & flowers, listing over 1,000 Cat $1; giant veg & other varieties. oddities SEEDWAY, INC R.H. SHUMWAY'S Box 250 PO Box 1 Hall, NY 14463 Granitevillle, SC 29829 412-465-5685 SELECT SEEDS fax: 412-465-9893 180 Stickney Hill Seeds, including wholesale and Union, CT 06076 bulk Cat $2; heirloom orn. RAFAL SPICE CO Semenences Laval 2521 Russell St. Dept FC See: Laval Seeds Detroit, MI 48207 SHADY MUSH HERB NURSERY RAINBOW GARDENS Rt. 2 1444 E. Taylor Street Surrett Cove Td. Vista, CA 92084 Leicester, NC 28748 Cat $2; Epiphyllums and other succulents; good book list SHEPHERDS GARDEN SEEDS 30 Irene St REDWOOD CITY SEED CO. Torrington, CT 06790 PO Box 361 Redwood City, CA 94064 SHUMWAY, R.H. Cat. $1; op veg, herb, dye P.O. Box 777 plants Rockford, IL 61105 SILVER LAKE SEEDS PO Box 4118, Suite E TAYLORS HERB GARDENS INC Highland Park, NJ 08904, 1535 Lone Oak Rd Vista, CA 92083 SMITH AND HAWKEN 25 Corte Madera TERRITORIAL SEED CO Mill Valley, CA 94941 PO Box 27 415-383-2000 Lorane, OR 97451 no seeds, but bulbs, good tools, garden furbelows THOMPSON AND MORGAN Box 1308, Dept SP6 SOUTHERN EXPOSURE SEED EXCHANGE Jackson, NJ 08527 P.O. Box 158 Cat $0; amazing (by US standards) North Garden, VA 22959 selection of veg, orn., greenhouse Cat $3, deductible; heirloom species; US arm of British firm. veg and regionallyy adapted cvs. Beginners may want this catalog just to ogle, but many of the species are not for novices. SOUTHERN SEEDS P.O. Box 2091 TINMOUTH CHANNEL FARM Melbourne, FL 32902 PO Box 428B 1-800-356-1631 Tinmouth, VT 05773 Cat $1, PC, OVER, SP: o.p. veg. Cat $2 deductible; organically for tropical & subtropical areas. produced herb plants & seed Also banana corms, papaya seed & chayote squash fruits for planting. TOMATO SEED COMPANY (THE) PO Box 323 SPRING HILL Metuchen, NJ 08840 309-691-4616 110 W. Elm St. TOMATO GROWERS SUPPLY CO Tipp City, OH 45371 PO Box 2237 mostly flowers Ft Myers, FL 33902 Cat $0; tomato and pepper seed STARK BROTHERS NURSERY Louisiana, MO 63353 TRADGARDSSPECIALISTEN Traedgaardsspecialisten** STOKES SEEDS INC. *+ c/o Svenskprodukter P.O. Box 548 Box 476 Buffalo, NY 14240 S-351 06 VAEXJOE Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER SWEDEN Cat free. SP: Bulbs. SUNRISE ENTERPRISES **(ae=a with two dots above it) P.O. Box 10058 (aa=a with a ring above it ) Elmwood, CT 06110 TREGUNNO SEEDS SUTTON SEEDS 126 Catherine St North Hele Road Hamilton, Ontario L8R 1J4 Torquay CANADA Devon, TQ2 7QJ Cat $1 refundable ENGLAND Cat $0; UK equivalent of Burpees; TROPICAL SEEDS good selection of "old fashioned P.O. Box 11122 flowers" and rock garden species. Honolulu, HI 96828 Cat $1 refundable, PC, OVER. T&T SEEDS Seeds of exotic tropical flowering PO Box 1710 trees, palms, papayas, Maui onions. Winnipeg, Manitoba R3C 3P6 Also veg. cultivars developed at Canada Univ. of Hawaii. Cat $1; cvs adapted esp. for cold prairies and plains region. TSANG AND MA PO Box 24 WAUKESHA SEED CO Belmont, CA 94002 PO Box 1820 Cat $0; oriental herbs, veg, Waukesha, WI 53187 cooking supplies. Cat $0; evergreen seeds TWILLEY SEED CO. WHITE FLOWER FARM PO Box 65 Litchfield, CT 06759-0050 Trevose, PA 19047 1-800-888-7756 Cat $0; strongest in hybrid veg. Cat $0, CC, PC, SP: bulbs, seeds for every region. perennials, shrubs, trees catalogs are excellent references, good UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII SEED PROGRAM reading! Department of Horticulture 3190 Maile Way, Room 112 WILD AND CRAZY SEED CO Honolulu, HI 96822 PO Box 895 Cat $0, PC, OVER. Veg. & fruit Durango, CO 81302 cultivars developed at the Univ. of Hawaii for tropical areas. WILDFLOWER PATCH 442CJ Brookside VERMONT BEAN SEED CO. Walnut Port, PA 18088 Garden Lane Fair Haven, BT 05743 William Dam Seeds: heirloom beans, and modern hybrid See DAM veg. WYATT-QUARLES SEED CO. VESEY'S SEEDS Box 739 York P.E.I. Garner, NC 27529 Canada COA 1PO SP: SE US regional cvs. Cat $0; veg & orn for short growing seasons. YOO FARM (Dr.) PO Box 290 W WEIBULL AB College Park, MD 20740 W Weibull AB Cat $0; oriental veg. seeds and Box 520 Japanese mushroom spawn. Good S-261 24 LANDSKRONA cultural information. SWEDEN Cat 25SEK. The main gardening firm in Sweden. Allround. Colour pictures and valuable tips. W. Atlee Burpee Company SEE BURPEE'S WAYSIDE GARDENS *+ 1 Garden Lane Hodges, SC 29695-0001 1-800-845-1124 Cat $0; pricey plants, but good photos!; bulbs, perennials, shrubs, trees, roses WEEKS (CHRISTOPHER E.) PEPPERS P.O. Box 3207 Kill Devil Hills, NC 27498 Cat SASE, PC, SP: hot peppers WELL-SWEEP HERB FARM 317 Mr. Bethel Rd. Port Murray, NJ. 07865 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:22:11 EST 1994 Article: 25315 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Seed catalogs 2 Message-ID: <1994Jan13.011159.21441@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 13 Jan 94 01:11:59 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 1770 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:53:09 PDT From: Jim.Watts@EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Watts) Here is the most up to date FAQ list of catalogs that I have. It is a compilation of many sources. I have drawn from many postings and can't acknowledge all contributors. However, for those of you that recognize your contributions --- Thanks from all of us! Happy Gardening, Jim Watts ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where Applicable: Cat - Catalog CC - Credit Cards cv - cultivar(s) (=variety) heirloom -- old cultivars (varieties) Min. - Minimum Order OVER - Overseas PC - Personal Checks OC - Other Currencies op - open-pollinated (non-hybrid) orn - ornamentals R&W - retail and wholesale SASE - Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope SP: - Specialises In veg. - vegetable(s) * - good for beginning gardeners + - highly recommended for beginning gardeners, IMHO ABUNDANT LIFE SEED FOUNDATION P.O. Box 772 Townsend, WA 98368 Cat $1, R&W, Min. $10; op & heirloom veg, herbs, green manures, books; organic emphasis. A&P Orchids Peters Road Swansee, MA 02777 AGWAY, INC. 1225 Zeager Road Elisabethtown, PA 17022 Cat $0, PC/CC; A full-line farmer's co-op for seeds Ahrens Strawberry Nursery RR 1 Huntingburg IN 47542 Alberta and Market Bros. Inc 2210 S. Federal Highway Boynton Beach, FL 33435 ALBERTA NURSERIES & SEEDS, LTD. Box 20 Bowden, Alta. Canada T0M 0K0 Cat $0 in Canada, $2 US ALFREY SEEDS P.O. Box 415 Knoxville, TN 37901 Cat SASE, PC, OVER, SP: Rare and hard to find peppers, tomatoes, & okra Allen Company P.O. Box 1577 Salisbury MD 21801 ALLEN, STERLING & LOTHROP 191 US Rt 1 Falmouth, ME 04105 Usual run of veg, ann. ornamentals, foog list of cover crops, fertilizers for organic gardeners, lawn grass. Alpen Gardens 173 Lawrence Lane Kalispell MT 59901 Alpine Valley Gardens Good Recommendation for CA 2627 Calistoga Rd. Santa Rosa, CA 95404 (707) 539-1749 ALTA SEEDS P.O. Box 253 Potrero, CA 92063 Cat $2 refundable, PC/OC, OVER, SP: vegetables for home gardeners American Bamboo Co. 345 W. Second St. Dayton OH 45402 Anderson Iris Gardens 22179 Keather Ave. N Forest Lake MN 55025 Angelwood Nursery 12839 McKee School Road Woodburn OR 97071 The Angraecum House P.O. Box 976 Grass Valley CA 95945 Antique Rose Emporium Rt. 5 Box 143 Brenham, TX 77833 Phone: 409-836-9051 Anything Grows Greenhouse 1609 McKean Road Ambler PA 19002 APOTHECARY SEED COMPANY P.O. Box 1324 Battle Ground, WA 98604 Cat $0, PC, SP: rare & unusual op veg., culinary & med. herbs, scented plants & natural pest control. Appalachian Gardens P.O. Box 82 Waynesboro PA 17268 Applesource Rt. 1 Chapin IL 62628 Arbor & Espalier 201 Buena Vista Ave. E San Francisco CA 94117 ARCHIAS' SEED CO. 106 East Main Street Sedalia, MO 65301 Cat $0, R&W, PC/CC, OVER; U of Missouri vegetable cvs, including 5 cv popcorn, op corn, tomatoes. Armstrong Roses P.O. Box 1020 Somis CA 93066 B & D LILIES 330 P Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 BDK Nursery P.O. Box 628 Apopka FL 32712 Bailey's P.O. Box 654 Edmonds WA 98020 Bakker of Holland U.S. Reservation Center Louisiana MO 63353-0050 The Banana Tree 715 Northampton Street Easton, PA 18042 Telephone: 215-253-9589 Catalog price: 0.75 [1988 edition, probably a buck by now] For those gardeners able to provide the requisite well-drained soil, abundant light, high humidity, and consistent heat in the 75 deg. range, this booklet is bulging with bananas and related tropical plants. More than a score of banana trees (offered as corms) are listed. In addition, hundreds of rare seeds spill across these 20 pages: euphorbias, proteas, and yuccas, to name just a few. Descriptions are thorough and precise. Vernon Barnes and Son Nursery P.O. Box 250 McMinnville TN 37110 BAXTER (WALTER) SEED CO. P.O. Box 8175 Weslaco, TX 78596-3175 Cat $0, R&W, PC, OVER, Min. $1 Bear Creek Nursery Box 411 Northport, Wa 99157 CAT $.50 The Beall Orchid Co, 3400 Academy Dr. S.E. Auburn WA 98002 BEA'S SERVICE P.O. Box 8422 Calabasas, CA 91302 Cat $0, PC, OVER, SP: chili pepper seeds from Mexico Beersheeba Wildflower Garden P.O. Box 551 Beersheba Springs TN 37305 Belche Herb Co. P.O. Box 1305 Schenectedy NY 12301 Blue Star Lab P.O. Box 173 Williamstown NY 13493 Bluestone Perrenials 7211 Middle Ridge Road Madison OH 44057 BOJO'S GARDEN SEED P.O. Box 1408 Caldwell, ID 83606 Cat $0, RW, PC, OVER, SP: traditional op veg. seeds for the home gardener. Emphasis is on flavor. Boordy Nursery P.O. Box 38 Riderwood MD 21139 BOUNTIFUL GARDENS 5798 Ridgewood Road Wilits, CA 95490 Cat $0, RW, PC/CC, OVER, SP: op seeds. BOUNTIFUL HARVEST P.O. Box 11295 Des Moines, IA 50340-1295 Cat $1, PC/CC Breck's Good Reviews - 2 P.O. Box 1757 Bad Reviews - Peoria IL 61656 or 6523 N. Galena Rd. Peoria IL 61632 (309)691-4616 BRICKER'S ORGANIC FARMS, INC. 824-K Sandbar Ferry Road Augusta, GA 30901 Cat $0, R&W PC Lee Bristol Nursery P.O. Box 5 Gaylordville CT 06755-0005 Brittingham Plant Farms P.O. Box 2538 Salisbury MD 21801 Brookfield Nursery and Tree Plantation P.O. Box 2490 Christiansburg VA 24073 Brown's Omaha Plant Farms Inc P.O. Box 787 Omaha TX 75571 BRUDY (JOHN) EXOTICS 3411 Westfield Drive Brandon, FL 33511 Cat $2 refundable, PC, OVER, SP: seeds of exotic tropical trees & shrubs, both ornamental & edible. BURGESS SEED AND PLANT CO. 905 Four Seasons Road Bloomington, IL 61701 Cat $1, CC B & T ASSOCIATES Whitnell House Fiddington, Bridgwater Somerset TA5 1JE England, U.K. (278) 733-209 Extremely large selection of common and exotic seeds, probably the largest of its type in the world, covering well over 25,000 species. Publishes a series of lists in various categories. Catalog - 2 International Reply Coupons, will sell to overseas customers. Buckley Nursery 646 N. River Rd. Buckley WA 98321 Burnt Ridge Nursery 432 Burnt Ridge Onalaska WA 98570 W. Atlee Burpee Co. 300 Park Ave. Warminister PA 18974 One of the oldest & best known seed comp. in the US BURRELL (D.V.) SEED GROWERS CO. P.O. Box 150 Rocky Ford, CO 81067-0150 Cat $0, RW, PC, OVER Veg and flower seed; small inexpensive packets; some vars esp. for Intermountain West; melon list esp. strong. BUSSE GARDENS Rt. 2, Box 238 Cokato, MN 55321 612-286-2654 $1.00 BUTTERBROOKE FARM 78 Barry Road Oxford, CT 06483 Cat SASE, RW, PC, OVER, SP: traditional & op veg. seeds. C 'n C Protea 387 Carmen Plaza Camarillo CA 93010-6041 Cactus by Dodie 934 E, Mettler Rd. Lodi CA 95242 Cal Dixie Iris Gardens 14115 Pear St. Riverside CA 92504 Caladium World P.O. Drawer 629 Sebring FL 33871 California Nursery Co. P.O. Box 2278 Fremont CA 94536 CAMELLIA FOREST 125 Carolina Forest Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-967-5529 $1 catalog price CAPRILANDS HERB FARM 534 Silver Street Coventry, CT 06238 Cardinal Nursery Rt 1 Box 316 State Road NC 28676 Carino Nurseries P.O. Box 538 Indiana PA 15701 CARROLL GARDENS PO Box 310 Westminster, MD 21157 Carter Seeds 475 Mar Vista Drive Vista CA 92083 Cascade Forestry Service Rt. 1 Cascade IA 52033 Cedar Ridgge Nurseries Cedar Ridge Rd. Allison Park PA 15101 Chambers Nursery 26874 Ferguson Road Junction City OR 97448 CHENHALEM GARDENS P.O.Box 693 Newberg, OR 97132-0693 503-538-8920 free Chestnut Hill Nursery Inc. Route 1 Box 341 Alachua FL 32615 CHILTERN SEEDS Bortree Stile Ulverston Cumbria, LA2 7PB England Cat $?; about *5000* species, esp. European, South African, Australian wildfls. Cold Stream Farm 2030 Free Soil Rd. Free Soil MI 49411-9752 COMPANION PLANTS [CATALOG $2] 7247 North Coolville Ridge Road [Minimum Order] Athens, OH 45701 [Plants $15] (614) 592-4643 [Seeds $5] COMSTOCK, FERRE & CO P.O. Box 125 Wethersfield, CT 06109-0125 Cat $0, RW, PC/CC, OVER, Min. $15, old-fashioned flowers, veg. (established in 1820) COOK'S GARDEN (THE) P.O. Box 65 Londonderry, VT 05148 Cat $1, RW, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seeds of lettuce, salad greens & mesclun; also has some gourmet veg. seed Cordon Bleu 418 Buena Creek Rd. San Marcos, CA 92069 619-744-2810 Costal Gardens and Nursery Route 3 Box 40 Myrtle Beach SC 29577 Comstock Ferre & Co. P.O. Box 125 Wethersfield CT 06109 COTTAGE GARDEN (THE) PO Box 106 Woodstock, IL 60098 The Country Garden Route 2 Box 455A Crivitz WI 54114 Creole Orrchids P.O. Box 24458 New Orleans LA 70184-4458 CROSMAN SEED CORPORATION P.O. Box 110 East Rochester, NY 14445 Cat $0, RW, PC, Min. $3, (established in 1838); general range of seeds, most packets $0.59 THE CROWNSVILLE NURSERY P.O.Box 797 Crownsville, MD 21032 301-923-2212 $2.00 CRUICKSHANK'S INC. 1015 Mt. Pleasant Road Toronto, ONT Canada M4P 2M1 Cumberland Valley Nurseries Inc P.O. Box 471 McMinnville TN 37110-0471 CURRAN (JOHN) SPECIALTY SEED CO. 14 Cedar Ave. Manahawkin, NY 08050 Cat $1, PC/OC, OVER, SP: seed of open-pollinated traditional & heirloom veg. & culinary herbs, selected for fine flavor & resistance to drought & heat. DABNEY HERBS Box 22061 Louisville, Kentucky 40222 Dahlias by Phil Traff 1316 132nd Ave. East Sumner WA 98390 The Nursery at the Dallas Nature Center 7575 Wheatland Rd. Dallas TX 75249 Dan's Garden Shop 5821 Woodwinds Circle Frederick MD 21701 Davidson-Wilson Greenhouses Ladoga Road Route 2 Crawfordsville IN 47933 Daylilies of Tomorrow (Love that name) 1656 N 2d El Cajon, CA 619-447-4922 Daylilly World P.O. Box 1612, Sanford FL 32771 Peter De Jager Bulb Co. P.O. Box 2010 South Hamilton MA 01982 Del's Japanese Maples 4691 River Road Eugene OR 97404 De GIORGI CO. INC. 1529 North Saddle Creek Road Omaha, NE 68104 Cat $1.25, PC, OVER commercial and home grower quantities, emphasis esp. on cvs for prairie states. Strong lists for perennials, rock-garden, cabbage. DOMINION SEED HOUSE 115 Guelph St. Georgetown, Ontario CANADA L7G 4A2 Cat $0, *Canadian Orders ONLY*; good veg and flower list, many especially selected for earliness and cold-tolerance; good supply and tool list. DUTCH GARDENS INC. Good Reviews - 3 P.O. Box 200 Adelphia, NJ 07710 Phone: 908-780-2713 Fax: 908-780-7720 ECHO 17430 Durrance Road North Fort Meyers, FL 33917 Cat $1, PC, OVER, SP: seeds & plants of underexploited but important tropical foods ED HUME SEEDS PO Box 2450 Kent, WA 98032 Cat $0; veg. and orn. for cool-season growing in Pacific NW. Evergreen Y.H. Enterprises P.O. Box 17538 Anaheim, California 92817 catalog: $1 A 21-page catalog offering 16 pages of oriental vegetable varieties, gardening books, cookbooks and sauces. Each vegetable listed is accompanied by a description of its use and planting hints. An especially useful feature inside the back cover is a cross reference of oriental vegetable names. For example, the asparagus bean is also known as a yardlong bean, dow chai, dow gauk, chiang tou, kong tou, jurkusasgemae, chinese long bean, goa bean, and winged bean. Most seed packets are 0.95 with larger quantities available. FARMER SEED & NURSEY CO. * P.O. Box 129 Faribault, MN 55021 Cat $0, PC/CC/OC, OVER FIELD'S (HENRY) SEED & NURSERY *+ Good Reviews -2 Bad Reviews - 0 407 Sycamore Street Shenandoah, IA 51602 Cat $0, PC/CC; everything basic; folksy flavor. FISCHER GREENHOUSES 609-927-3399 Linwood, NJ 08221 specializing in African Violets FLOATING MOUNTAIN SEEDS P.O. Box 1275 Port Angeles, WA 98362 Cat $1.50, PC/CC, OVER. FLOWER AND HERB EXCHANGE Rt. 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 FOX HILL FARM PO Box 7 Parma, MI 49269 FOX HOLLOW HERBS P.O. Box 148 McGrann, PA 16236 FRIENDS OF THE TREES P.O. Box 1064 Tonasket, WA 98855 G. SEED CO. PO Box 72 Tonasket, WA 98855 Cat $1; op veg, herb, orn; many heirlooms. Gardens Alive Natural Gardening Research Center Highway 48, P.O.Box 149 Sunman, Indiana 47041 GARDEN CITY SEEDS * 1324 Red Crow Road Victor, MT 59875-9713 Cat $2, PC, OVER GARDEN IMPORT INC. P.O. Box 760 Thornhill, ONT L3T 4A5 Canada Cat $3, PC/CC, OVER (N.A. agents for Sutton Seeds of GB); good bulb list as well as veg, flower; some British & European cvs. GARDENS ALIVE! Natural Gardening Research Center Hwy 48, P.O. Box 149 Sunman, IN 47041 Gardens Alive! has the best selection of integrated pest management tools and organic lawn care items of any catalogue I receive. They have excellent color pictures of pests and plant diseases and how to prevent them. Gardener's Supply 128 Intervale Road Burlington, VT 05401 (802) 863-1700 GAZE SEED CO. PO Box 640 St. John's, Newfoundland A1C 5K8 CANADA Cat $0; orn, veg, lawn grasses, trees, shrubs, good selection of tools & supplies, incl. forks and hand plows. GH ALTITUDE GARDENS P.O. Box 4619 Ketchum, ID 83340 1-800-874-7333 (telephone) Cat $3, PC/CC, OVER. Regional seed company dedicated to making available seeds of veg., herbs, wild flowers & native grasses adapted to short season, high altitude climates around the world. Gilbert H. Wild and Son, Inc. 692 Joplin Street Sarcoxie, MO 64862-0338 (daylily specialists) GLECKER'S SEEDSMEN Metamora, OH 43540 Cat $0, PC, OVER, Min. $2 GOSSLER FARMS NURSERY 1200 Weaver Rd. Springfield, OR 97478-9663 503-746-3922 $1.00 GURNEY SEED & NURSEY CO. *+ 1224 Page Street Yankton, SD 57079 Cat $0, PC/CC/OC subzero roses; large stock of orn. & veg. cvs. (established in 1866) Harmony Farm Supply 3244 Gravenstein Hwy. North Sebastopol, CA 95472 or: P.O.Box 460 Graton, CA 95444 HARRIS MORAN SEED COMPANY 3670 Buffalo Road Moreton Farm Rochester, NY 14624 HARRIS SEEDS * 60 Saginaw Drive Rochester, NY 14623 Cat $0, PC/CC also lawn seeds HASTINGS - THE SOUTHERN GARDENER'S CATALOG 1036 White Street, SW PO Box 115535 Atlanta, GA 30310-8535 1-800-334-1771 (IN GA 404-755-6580) seeds, plants, water gardening, organics, gardening aids (H.G.) HASTINGS AND COMPANY Box 4274 Atlanta, GA 30302 Heirloom Gardens P.O. Box 138 Guerneville, CA 95446 They carry a "collection of old time flowers; rare, culinary and ornamental." The 27-page catalog offers a wide selection of heirloom, open pollinated vegetables. Two pages are given to flowers. Any order over $10 gets you a free packet of Jefferson Giant tomato seeds. The seed packets are all in the 0.79 - 1.09 price range. All vegetable varieties are said to be chosen for flavor. HEIRLOOM SEEDS P.O. Box 245 West Elizabeth, Pennsylvania 15088-0245 HIGH ALTITUDE GARDENS PO Box 4238 Ketchum, ID 83340 Cat $3; op veg, wildflowers, native grasses, organic fertiilizers and pest controls; wildflower seed locally collected. Strong list for Intermountain West. Henry Fields and Company SEE FIELD'S HOLLAND WILDFLOWER FARM HS Elkins, AR 72727 HORTICULTURAL ENTERPRISES (AU) P.O. Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 Cat $0, PC. Large selection of chile pepper seed SPENCER M. HOWARD ORCHID IMPORTS [CAT $.45+SASE] 11802 Huston St. [M.O. $25] North Hollywood, CA 91607 (818) 762-8275 HUDSON (J.L), SEEDSMAN P.O. Box 1058 Redwood City, CA 94064 Cat $1, PC, OVER rarities, incl. veg from Zapotec Indians of Mexico; mostly for serious, experienced gardeners ED HUME SEEDS PO Box 2450 Kent, WA 98032 Cat $0; veg. and orn. for cool-season growing in Pacific NW. INTERMOUNTAIN SEEDS P.O. Box Rexburg, ID 83440 Cat $0, PC. Veg., herb & flower seeds adapted to the cool night temperatures & short growing season of the Intermountain region Inter-State Nurseries P.O.Box 10 Louisiana, MO 63353-0010 1-800-325-4180 (central time) FAX 1-314-754-5290 ISLAND SEED MAIL ORDER PO Box 4278, Station A Victoria, BC V8X 3X8 CANADA Cat $2; good basic list for Pacific NW J.W. Jung Seed Company See Jung's JACKSON AND PERKINS Box 1028 Medford, OR 97501 mostly modern roses, a few other perennials; no seeds JOHN SCHEEPERS, INC P.O. Box 700 Bantam, CT 06750 203-567-0838 nice range of bulbs JERRY HORNE RARE PLANTS [CAT SASE] 10195 S.W. 70th St. [M.O. $10] Miami, FL 33173 (305) 270-1235 NO TELEPHONE ORDERS JOHNNY'S SELECTED SEEDS * Foss Hill Road Albion, ME 04910 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seeds for cool, short-season areas, esp. veg. JOHNSON SEED CO. 227 Ludwig Ave. Dousman, WI 53118 Cat. $0; heirloom and modern veg. seeeed. JUDE HERBS Box 563-CJ Huntington Station, NY 11746 JUNG (J.W.) SEED CO. * 335 South High Street Randolph, WI 53957 Cat $0, PC/CC KELLY NURSERIES Dansville, NY 12237 KESTER WILD GAME FOOD NURSERIES PO Box V Omro, WI 54963 Cat $2; Seeds, bulbs for species favored as food and cover by game species. KITAZAWA SEED CO. 1748 Lane Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95051 Cat $0; oriental veg and herb seeds. KRIDER NURSERIES PO Box 29 Middlebury, IN 46540 LAKELAND NURSERY SALES Unique Merchandise Mart Building 1 Hanover, PA Cat $0; An amazing exercise in off-the-wall "common names" and hype. Caution (and a large grain of salt) advised. LANDRETH SEED CO. * P.O. Box 6426 Baltimore, MD 21230 Cat $2, OVER. (established in 1784) LAMB NURSERIES E. 101 Sharp Ave. Spokane, WA 99202 509-328-7956 free LAURIE'S GARDEN 41886 McKenzie Highway Springfield, OR 97478 503-896-3756 1 stamp LAVAL SEEDS [=SEMENANCES LAVAL] 3505 Saint Martin West [=3505 Boulevard St-Martin Ouest] Ville de Laval, Que. Canada H7T 1A2 Cat. $0, good list of veg, orn, houseplant seeds. LE JARDIN DU GOURMET West Danville, VT 05873 Gourmet veg. seeds. LE MARCHE SEEDS INTERNATIONAL Box 566 Dixon, CA 95620 Gourrmet veg. seeds. LEDDEN (OROL) & SONS P.O. Box 7 Sewell, NJ 08080-0007 Cat $0, PC/CC cvs adapted for NE US; pasture, lawn, some heirlooms A.M. Leonard, Inc. P.O. Box 816 Piqua, OH 45356-0816 800-543-8955 Leonard is a supply house for professional nurseries and landscapers, so they have a wide selection of tools, though some supplies are only available in quantity. Liberty Seed Company PO Box 806 New Philadephia, OH 44663 216-364-1611 fax: 216-364-6415 interesting mix of veg and farm seeds, some flowers LOGEE'S GREENHOUSES [CAT $3] 55 North St. [Refunable] Danielson, CT 06269 [M.O. $15] (203) 774-8038 LONG ISLAND SEED COMPANY 1368 Flanders Road Flanders NY 11901 LOUISIANA NURSERY Rt. 7, Box 43 Opelousas, LA 70570 318-948-3696 $3.50 MAY (EARL) SEED & NURSERY *+ 208 North Elm Street Shenandoah, IA 51603 1-800-831-4193 (telephone) Cat $0, PC/CC old, established seed and nursery with usual range of veg, orn, trees and shrubs. McCLURE & ZIMMERMAN 108 W. Winnebago P.O. Box 368 Friesland, WI 53935 bulbs, esp. species and uncommon. McFAYDEN SEEDS PO Box 1800 Brandon, Manitoba R7A 6N4 Canada Cat $0; good selection of cvs for colder climates; also wine and beer-making supplies. Mc CRORY'S SUNNY HILL HERB FARM Star Route 3 Box 844 Eustis, FL 32726 Mellinger's, Inc. 2310 W. South Range Rd. North Lima, OH 44452-9731 1-800-321-7444 (telephone) 216-549-9861 Fax: 216-549-3716 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER nursery stock, house plants, tools, pots, soil mixes, etc.; offers small quantities of commercial growers supplies that can be otherwise difficult to find. Messelaar Bulb Co. P.O. Box 269 Ipswich, MA 01938 Meyer Seed Co. 600 South Caroline St. Baltimore, MD 21231 Cat $0, PC/CC; specializes in seed for MD, northern VA. Michigan Bulb Co. 10 Bad Reviews; 1 Good Reveiw 1950 Waldorf N.W. Grand Rapids, MI 49550 Midwest Seed Growers, Inc. 505 Walnut St. Kansas City, MO 64106 MILEAGER'S GARDENS 4838 Douglas Avenue Racine, WI 53402-2498 1-800-669-9956 bulbs J.E. Miller Nurseries, Inc. 5060 West Lake Road Canandaigua, NY 14424 Miller-Bowie County Farmers Assn. P.O. Box 1110 Texarkana, TX 75502 Mini-Roses P.O. Box 4255, Sta. A Dallas, TX 75208 Mission Bell Gardens 2778 West 5600 So. Roy, UT 84067 MOHN'S INC P.O. Box 2301 Atascadero, CA 93423 2 stamps MOON MOUNTAIN WILDFLOWERS P.O. Box 34 Morro Bay, CA 93442 Moonshine Gardens P.O. Box 1019 Clearlake Oaks, CA 95423 Moosebell Flower, Fruit & Tree Co. Rt. 1, Box 240 St. Francis, ME 04774 Mt. Leo Nursery P.O. Box 135 McMinnville, TN 37110 Mountain Mist Nursery 23561 Vaughn Rd. Veneta, OR 97487 MOUNTAIN SEED & NURSERY P.O. Box 9107 Moscow, ID Cat $1 refundable, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seeds for cold short- season areas Mountain Valley Seeds & Nursery 1798 N 1200 E. Logan, UT 84321 Mowbray Gardens 3318 Mowbray Lane Cincinnati, OH 45226 Mums by Paschke 11286 East Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 Musser Forests, Inc. P.O. Box 340 or S-91 M Indiana, PA 15710-0340 412-465-5685 fax: 412-465-9893 trees, esp. seedlings for reforestation Nationwide Seed & Supply 4801 Fegenbush Lane Louisville, KY 40228 Native Seed Foundation Star Route Moyie Springs, ID 83845 Native Seeds, Inc. 14590 Triadelphia Mill Rd. Dayton, MD 21306 NATIVE SEEDS/SEARCH 3950 W. New York Drive Tucson, AZ 85745 Cat $1; 200+ cvs of vegetable seed adapted to desert SW; organized by an ethnobotanist, so strong representation of seeds from native peoples (landraces). Strong book section. E. B. Nauman, Nurseryman 688 St. Davids Ln Schenectady NY 12309 New Mexico Desert Garden 10231 Belnap NW Albuquerque NM 87114 The New Peony Farm P.O. Box 18105 St. Paul MN 55118 New York State Fruit Testing Coop. Assn P.O. Box 462 Geneva NY 14456 Nichols Garden Nursery Inc. 1190 No. Pacific Highway Albany OR 97321 The subtitle on the front of their 72 page catalog is "herbs and rare seeds". Five pages of herb seeds and three pages of herb plants available certainly bear out the first half of this, and they do offer many rare and unusual seeds as well as hybrids, heirlooms and popular favorite open-pollinated varieties. As befits their location, they indicate which varieties do well in short and variable season areas. Other features include an oriental vegetable section, recipes scattered throughout the catalog, a "new and unusual" vegetable section, six pages of flowers and wildflowers, gardening and cooking tools, spices and herbal teas, books, and homebrew and winemaking supplies. The seed prices are in the 0.85 - 1.50 range depending of course on rarity, supply, etc. I enjoyed this catalog very much and, indeed, had an order from it ready about half an hour after I received it in the mail. NOEL'S GARDEN SEEDS R.D. #2K Oxford, NY 13830 Cat SASE, PC, SP: o.p. veg. for home gardeners in the Northeast. Nolin River Nut Tree Nursery 797 Port Wooden Rd. Upton KY 42784 Nor'East Miniature Roses 58 Hammond St. Rowley, MA 01969 North American Wildflowers 38 Hillside Ave. Atlantic Highlands NJ 07716 Northwoods Nursery 28696 S. Cramer Rd. Molalla OR 97038 (503) 651-3737 Nourse Farms Inc. RFD, Box 485 South Deerfield MA 01373 Nuccio's Nurseries P.O. Box 6160 Altadena CA 91001 Oak Hill Gardens Good recomemdation for Orchids P.O. Box 25 Dundee IL 60118-0025 (708) 428-8500 Oakes Daylillies Monday Road Rt. 4 Corryton TN 37721 615-689-3036 free Oakwood Daffodils 2330 W. Bertrand Rd. Niles MI 49120 Oikos 721 N. Fletcher Kalamazoo MI 49007-3077 OLDS SEED CO. * P.O. Box 7790 Madison, WI 53707 Cat $2.50 refundable, PC, OVER ONTARIO SEED CO, LTD Box 144 Waterloo, Ont. Canada N2J 3Z9 Orol Ledden & Sons, Inc. See: Ledden Orchids Bountiful 828 W. 3800 South Bountiful UT 84010 Orchids Royale P.O. Box 1289 Carpenteria CA 93013 Oregon Exotics 1065 Messinger Rd Grants Pass, OR 97527 Oregon Miniature Roses 8285 SW 185th Ave. Beaverton OR 97007 Orgel's Orchids 18950 S.W. 136th St., RR 2 Miami FL 33187 Richard Owen Nursery 2209 E. Oakland St. Bloomington IL 61701 Owens Orchids P.O. Box 365 Pisgah Forest NC 28768-0365 Pacific Berry Works P.O. Box 54 Bow WA 98232 PAGE SEED CO. P.O. Box 158 Greene, NY 13778 Cat $0, PC Panda Products P.O. Box 104 Fulton CA 95434 Park Seed Co. Inc. *+ P.O. Box 46 Cokesbury Roa Greenwood SC 29648-0046 Cat $0, PC/CC PEACE SEEDS 2385 S.E. Thompson St. Corvallis, OR 97333 Cat $3.50, PC/OC, OVER Peaceful Valley Farm Supply P.O.Box 2209 Grass Valley, CA 95945 Peekskill Nurseries Shrub Oak NY 10588 The Pepper Gal 10536 119th Ave. N. Largo FL 33543 Cat $0, PC Mails to US & Canada only. Seeds of over 200 cultivars of hot, sweet & ornamental peppers. Peter Pauls Nurseries RD #2 Canandaigua NY 14424 Piedmont Plant Co. P.O. Box 424 Albany GA 31703 Pinetree Garden Seeds R.R. 1, Box 397 New Gloucester ME 04260 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER Good seeds (many op) in small packets at very reasonable prices; small selection of bulbs; pretty good book and tool selection. The Plant Shop's Botanical Gardens 18007 Topham St. Reseda CA 91335 Pony Creek Nursery Tilleda WI 54978 Porter & Son P.O. Box 104 Stephensville TX 76401-0104 Cat $0, good veg. list adapted to TX, lesser flower list. POWELL'S GARDENS Rt. 3,Box 21 Princeton, NC 27569 919-936-4421 $1.50 Protea Gardens of Maui R.R. 2 Box 389 Kula, Maui, HI 96790 Quailtree Nursery 11110 Harlan Rd. Eddyville OR 97343 Quality Dutch Bulbs P.O. Box 225 Hillsdale NJ 07642 RAFAL SPICE CO 2521 Russell St. Dept FC Detroit, MI 48207 RAINBOW GARDENS 1444 E. Taylor Street Vista, CA 92084 Cat $2; Epiphyllums and other succulents; good book list Raintree Nursery 391 Butts Road Morton WA 98356 Rayner Bros. P.O. Box 1617 Salisbury MD 21801 Reasoner's P.O. Box 1881 Oneco FL 33558 REATH'S NURSERY P.O.Box 512 100 Central Boulevard Vulcan, MI 49892 $1.00 REDWOOD CITY SEED CO. PO Box 361 Redwood City, CA 94064 Cat. $1; op veg, herb, dye plants Richters Canada's Herb Specialists Box 26 Goldwood, Ontario Canada L0C 1A0 Phone: (416) 640-6677 FAX: (416) 640-6641 Cat $2.50 Can, $4 US; extensive herb list, but also some veg and "useful plants"; organic pest controls and beneficial insects for Canadian shipment only. Rider Nurseries Rt. 2 Box 90A Farmington IA 52626 Riverbend Orchids 14220 Lorraine Rd. Biloxie, MS 39532 RONNINGER'S SEED POTATOES Star Route Moyie Springs, ID 83845 The Rose Garden & Mini Rose Nursery P.O. Box 560 Cross Hill SC 29332-0560 Rosehill Farm Gregg Neck Road Dalena MD 21635 Roses By Fred Edmonds 6235 S. W. Kahle Rd. Wilsonville OR 97070 Roses of Yesterday and Today 802 Brown's Valley Road Watsonville, CA 95076 (408) 724-3537 Roswell Seed Co. P.O. Box 725 Roswell NM 88201 Rupp Seeds, Inc. 5-17919 County Road 13 Wauseon OH 45367 S&H Organic Acres P.O. Box 757, 12125 Red Hills Rd. Newburg, OR 97132 St. Lawrence Nurseries R.D. 2, Route 345, Potsdam-Madrid Rd. Potsdam NY 13676 Santa Barbara Orchid Estate 1250 Orchid Drive Santa Barbara CA 93111 Savage Farms Nursery P.O. Box 125 McMinnville TN 37110 John Scheepers Inc. 63 Wall Street New York NY 10005 S. Scherer & Sons 104 Waterside Road Northport NY 11768 Schulz Cactus Gardens 1095 Easy St. Morgan Hill CA 95037 F. W. Schumacher Co. 36 Spring Hill Road Sandwich MA 02563-1023 Sea Breeze Orchids P.O. Box 1416 Bayville NY 11709 Seagulls Landing Orchids P.O. Box 388 Glen Head NY 11545 Seedway, Inc. P.O. Box 250 Hall NY 14463-0250 SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Rt. 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 SEED SETS Dept. F 1130 Tetherow Rd Williams, OR 97544 SEEDS BLUM Idaho City Stage Boise, ID 83706 Cat $3, PC, OVER, SP: heirloom veg & flowers, listing over 1,000 varieties. SEEDWAY, INC Box 250 Hall, NY 14463 Sequoia Nursery-Moore Miniature Nurseries 2519 East Nobel Ave. Visalia CA 93277 SHADY MUSH HERB NURSERY Rt. 2 Surrett Cove Td. Leicester, NC 28748 Shanti Bithi Nursery 3047 High Ridge Road Stamford CT 06903 SHEPHERDS GARDEN SEEDS 7389 West Zayante Rd. Felton, CA 95018 SHUMWAY, R.H. P.O. Box 777 Rockford, IL 61105 R.H. SHUMWAY'S PO Box 1 Granitevillle, SC 29829 412-465-5685 fax: 412-465-9893 Seeds, including wholesale and bulk Siegers Seed Co. 245 Imlay City Rd. Imlay City MI 48444 SILVER LAKE SEEDS PO Box 4118, Suite E Highland Park, NJ 08904, Skyblue Nurseries P.O. Box 18061 St. Paul MN 55118-0061 Smith Nursery Co. P.O. Box 515 Charles City IA 50616 Smith and Hawken Bulb Book 25 Corte Madera Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-383-2000 Ask for 'Wilma Kay'for advice. No seeds, but bulbs, good tools, garden furbelows. Mostly expensive stuff for trendy gardeners, but they do have English tools. Soergel Greenhouses 2573 Brandt School Rd. Wexford PA 15090 Solomon Daylillies 105 County Club Rd. Newport News VA 23606 Sonoma Antique Apple Nursery 4395 Westside Road Healdsburg CA 95448 707-433-6420 South Florida Seed Supply 16361 Norris Road Loxahatchee FL 33470 SOUTHERN EXPOSURE SEED EXCHANGE P.O. Box 158 North Garden, VA 22959 SOUTHERN SEEDS P.O. Box 2091 Melbourne, FL 32902 1-800-356-1631 Cat $1, PC, OVER, SP: o.p. veg. for tropical & subtropical areas. Also banana corms, papaya seed & chayote squash fruits for planting. Southmeadow Fruit Gardens 15310 Red Arrow Highway Lakeside MI 49116 Specialty Seeds P.O. Box 842 Lompoc CA 93436 SPRING HILL 110 W. Elm St. Tipp City, OH 45371 309-691-4616 mostly flowers Spring Hill Nurseries Co. P.O. Box 1758 Peoria IL 61656 Square Root Nursery 4764 Deuel Rd. Canandaigua NY 14424 Squaw Mountain Gardens 36212 S.E. Squaw Mtn. Road Estacada OR 97023 Stanley & Sons Nursery, Inc. 11740 S.E. Orient Dr. Boring OR 97009 Stark Bro's Nurseries & Orchards Co. Highway 54 West Louisiana MO 63353-0010 Stocking Rose Nursery 785 N. Capitol Ave. San Jose CA 95133 Stokes Seed Co. P.O. Box 548 Buffalo NY 14240 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER Sunnyslope Gardens 8638 Huntington Dr. San Gabriel CA 91775 SUNRISE ENTERPRISES P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110 Sunshine Caladium Farms P.O. Box 905 Sebring FL 33870 Sunswept Laboratories P.O. Box 1913 Studio City CA 91604 SUTTON SEEDS Hele Road Torquay Devon, TQ2 7QJ ENGLAND Cat $0; UK equivalent of Burpees; good selection of "old fashioned flowers" and rock garden species. T&T SEEDS PO Box 1710 Winnipeg, Manitoba R3C 3P6 Canada Cat $1; cvs adapted esp. for cold prairies and plains region. TAYLORS HERB GARDENS INC 1535 Lone Oak Rd Vista, CA 92083 Territorial Seed Co. P.O. Box 27 Lorane OR 97451 Thomasville Nurseries P.O. Box 7 Thomasville GA 31799-0007 Thompson & Morgan P.O. Box 1308 Jackson, NJ 08527 or Box 1308, Dept SP6 Jackson, NJ 08527 Cat $0; amazing (by US standards) selection of veg, orn., greenhouse species; US arm of British firm. Beginners may want the catalog just to ogle, but many of the species are not for novices. Tillinghast Seed Co. P.O. Box 738 La Conner WA 98257 TINMOUTH CHANNEL FARM PO Box 428B Tinmouth, VT 05773 Tiny Petals Nursery 489 Minot Ave Chula Vista CA 92010 Tomato Growers Supply Co. P.O. Box 2237 Fort Myers FL 33902 Remarkable variety of tomato and pepper seeds, incl. both hybrids and heirloom varieties. (185 tomato cultivars) The Tomato Seed Company, Inc. P.O. Box 323 Metuchen NJ 08840 Tradewinds Nursery P.O. Box 70 Calpella CA 95418 Trans Pacific Nursery 29870 Mill Creek Rd. Sheridan OR 97378 Transplant Nursery Parketown Road Lavonia GA 30553 Tripple Brook Farm 37 Middle Road Southampton MA 01073 Tropical Imports 43714 Road 415 Coarsegold CA 93614 TROPICAL SEEDS P.O. Box 11122 Honolulu, HI 96828 Cat $1 refundable, PC, OVER. Seeds of exotic tropical flowering trees, palms, papayas, Maui onions. Also veg. cultivars developed at Univ. of Hawaii. Tsang & Ma P.O. Box 294 Belmont CA 94002 Cat $0; oriental herbs, veg, cooking supplies. TWILLEY SEED CO. PO Box 65 Trevose, PA 19047 Cat $0; strongest in hybrid veg. seeds for every region. TyTy Plantation P.O. Box 159 TyTy, GA 31795 UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII SEED PROGRAM Department of Horticulture 3190 Maile Way, Room 112 Honolulu, HI 96822 Cat $0, PC, OVER. Veg. & fruit cultivars developed at the Univ. of Hawaii for tropical areas. Valley Creek Nursery P.O. Box 364 Three Oaks MI 49128 K. Van Bourgondien & Sons, Inc. Wholesale Qtys Good Review - 1 245 Farmingdale Rd. Bad - 2 P.O. Box A Babylon NY 11702 The phone number is 800-873-9444. Van Engelen Inc. 307 Maple St. Litchfield CT 06759 VanWell Nursery Inc. P.O. Box 1339 Wenatchee WA 98801 Veldheer Tulip Gardens 12755 Quincy St. Holland MI 49424 Vermont Bean Seed Co. Garden Lane Fair Haven VT 05743 heirloom beans, and modern hybrid veg. Vermont Wildflower Farm Route 7 Charlotte VT 05445 VESEY'S SEEDS York P.E.I. Canada COA 1PO MARY WALKER BULB CO. Box 256 Omega, GA 31775 Wavecrest Nursery & Landscaping Co. 2509 Lakeshore Dr. Fennville MI 49408 Waynesboro Nurseries P.O. Box 987, Route 664 Waynesboro VA 22980 WAYSIDE GARDENS 1 Garden Lane Hodges, SC 29695-0001 1-800-845-1124 bulbs, perennials, shrubs, trees, roses WEEKS (CHRISTOPHER E.) PEPPERS P.O. Box 3207 Kill Devil Hills, NC 27498 Cat $0, PC, SP: hot peppers WELL-SWEEP HERB FARM 317 Mr. Bethel Rd. Port Murray, NJ. 07865 Ken West Orchids P.O. Box 1332 Pahoa HI 96778 Whistling Wings Farms Inc. 427 West Street Biddeford ME 04005 WHITE FLOWER FARM Litchfield, CT 06759-0050 1-800-888-7756 Cat $5, CC, PC, SP: bulbs, perennials, shrubs, trees catalogs are excellent references, good reading! WILD AND CRAZY SEED CO PO Box 895 Durango, CO 81302 WILDFLOWER PATCH 442CJ Brookside Walnut Port, PA 18088 Gildbert H. Wild & Son Inc. P.O. Box 338 1112 Joplin St. Sarcoxie, MO 64862-0338A 417-548-3514 or 351 Wilk Orchid Specialists P.O. Box 1177 45-212 Nohonani Pl. Kaneohe HI 96744 Willhite Seed Co. P.O. Box 23 Poolville TX 76076 Nancy Wilson Species & Miniature Narcissus 571 Woodmont Ave. Berkeley CA 94708 Wilton's Organic Seed Potatoes P.O. Box 28 Aspen CO 81612 Womack Nursery Co. Rt. 1, Box 80 DeLeon TX 76444 Wright Iris Nursery 6583 Pacheco Pass Highway Gilroy CA 95020 Wyatt-Quarles Seed Co. P.O. Box 739 Garner, NC 27529 SP: SE US regional cvs. (Dr.) YOO FARM PO Box 290 College Park, MD 20740 Cat $0; oriental veg. seeds and Japanese mushroom spawn. Good cultural information. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:22:19 EST 1994 Article: 25316 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Seed catalogs: 3 Message-ID: <1994Jan13.011236.21442@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 13 Jan 94 01:12:36 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 1731 * Originally by Bill Smith * Originally to All * Originally dated 13 Feb 1992, 17:50 Just discovered a GREEAAT (!) specialty catalog I feel would be of interest to users of this echo. It is properly titled "1992 Garlic Catalogue & Research Catalogue" from FILAREE FARM. The address is Route 1, Box 162, Okanogan, WA. 98840. I am VERY impressed with it and wanted to inform all of its existence. Contains approx. 60 varietal descriptions with 50 more being available (upon request I suppose from a SERIOUS grower of the stuff). This is very detailed with growing instructions, classification of species, varieties, etc. It shows a breakdown of a "family tree" so to speak of the various families, species, etc. Seems pretty much a must if you're looking for a good source to order from. Don't know much about prices, but I assume they are competitive with others. They seemed reasonable to me, but I'm not much of a comparison shopper - if I see something I like I'll go ahead and get it. Typical male attitude, huh ladies ?! Cost is $3, but very much worth it. HAPPY GARLIC GROWING TO ONE & ALL !! --------*-------- Subject: Seeds of Change Organic Seeds Date: 23 Jan 92 06:16:55 GMT Just got a seed catalog in the mail today that I don't remember seeing on some of the recent lists. The company is: Seeds of Change 1364 Rufina Circle #5 Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-438-8080 They sell certified organic seeds, raised in New Mexico and Oregon, and the literature says that the varieties can be grown thoughout the U.S. There are some real unusual greens, root vegetables, grains, beans, 1 page of chiles/hot peppers, herbs, flowers, and fiber plants. (Some examples: 4 types of sorghum, 3 types of sesame, 10 varieties of quinoa) This is a very "Politically Correct" looking catalog, with recipes and articles interspersed. I've never ordered from these folks (hadn't heard of them till today) but will probably order something just to get their catalog next year. Anyone out there dealt with them? Subject: Re: Seeds of Change Organic Seeds Date: 24 Jan 92 03:49:33 GMT I purchased several packets from them through a Gardner's Supply insert (which I haven't seen in any of the GSC catalogs this year). All of the plants that I got in the ground did well. I particularly liked the Burbank slicing tomato. The funniest thing related to the "marigold" seeds. I ordered the "rare, nematocidal Mexican marigolds" that supposedly repelled soil nematodes. The ad and the packet both said (Height 6' - 9'). I assumed that that was a typo - who ever heard of 6 foot marigolds! Well I certainly can't sue them for truth in advertising. Those suckers ended up growing about 7 feet talk and effectively blocked the light for tomatoes and peppers. Next year they go in the BACK of the garden! Subject: Re: Seeds of Change Organic Seeds Date: 25 Jan 92 07:02:59 GMT Yes, my gardening colleagues and I have had very good success with those folks out in Gila. The Seeds of Change show up in your mail-box quickly and germinate with better success than any other company's. Several varieties of their lettuce are very very good (I keep giving in to temptatation, like tonite and eating my intended seed-plants). Also good are their tomatillos, mexican sunflowers, and ezapote (wormwood). From: Bob Batson Subject: Re: Maza Corn Date: 27 Jan 92 22:39:47 GMT DA> I would like to grow the kind of Corn which is ground DA> for making tortillias, maza harina, tamalies, and the DA> like. I would like the leaves which wrap the ear to DA> be large enough to wrap tamalies. Where do I find DA> seed for the traditional mexican maza corn? The type of corn that is best suited for this purpose woulds be a type called a FLOUR CORN. Kernals of flour corn are easier to grind than flint or dent corn, milling easily to a soft flour. It's grown primarily in the Southwest and the Northern Plains. It's available with kernals that are either blue/purple, multi-colored, red/pink, white, yellow, and black. I'll give you the names of the yellow varieties plus some sources. HOPI YELLOW MANDAN YELLOW PAPAGO TEXAS SHOEPEG SOURCES Abbreviation(s) CAT - catalog ABUNDANT LIFE SEED FOUNDATION CAT - $1 P.O. Box 772 Port Townsend, WA 98368 NATIVE SEEDS/SEARCH CAT - $1 2509 N. Campbell Ave. #325 Tuczon, AZ 85719 PLANTS OF THE SOUTHWEST CAT - $1 930 Baca St. Santa Fe, NM 87501 Article 4757 (13 more) in rec.gardens: From: Tom McNeal Subject: Re: Catalog addresses (was Re: Burpee address) Date: 6 Jan 92 18:03:53 GMT I got some of this from the net a while back, so it's worth publishing again. I haven't heard of 'Pepper Gal', but I recommend a magazine called 'Chile Pepper'. Good info and good receipes. Alberta Nurseries & Seeds, LTD. Box 20 Bowden, Alta. Canada TOM OKO Burgess Seed and Plant Co. 905 Four Seasons Road Bloomington, IL 61701 Burpee Seed Company 300 Park Avenue Warminster, PA 18974 D.V. Burrell Seed Company Box 150 Rocky Ford, CO 81067 Caprilands Herb Farm 534 Silver Street Coventry, CT 06238 Henry Fields and Company Box 600 Shenandoah, IA 51602 Friends of the Trees P.O. Box 1064 Tonasket, WA 98855 Gurney Seed and Nursery 110 Capital Street Yankton, SD 57079 Harris Moran Seed Company 3670 Buffalo Road Moreton Farm Rochester, NY 14624 H.G. Hastings and Company Box 4274 Atlanta, GA 30302 Heirloom Gardens Box 138 Guerneville, CA 95446 Horticultural Enterprises Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 Jackson and Perkins Box 1028 Medford, OR 97501 Johnny's Selected Seeds 310 Foss Hill Road Albion, ME 04910 J.W. Jung Seed Company 335 South High Street Randolph, WI 53957 Laval Seeds 3505 Saint Martin West Ville de Laval, Que. Candada H7T 1A2 Le Jardin du Gourmet West Danville, VT 05873 Le Marche Seeds International Box 566 Dixon, CA 95620 Orol Ledden & Sons, Inc. Center and Atlantic Avenues Sewel, NJ 08080-0007 Liberty Seed Company P.O. Box 806 New Philadelphia, OH 44663 Long Island Seed Company 1368 Flanders Road Flanders NY 11901 Earl May Seed and Nursery Company Shenandoah, IA 51603 Mc Crory's Sunny Hill Herb Farm Star Route 3 Box 844 Eustis, FL 32726 Mellinger's 2374 W. South Range Road North Lima, OH 44452 Michigan Bulb Company 1950 Waldorf, N.W. Grand Rapids, MI 49550 Moon Mountain Wildflowers P.O. Box 34 Morro Bay, CA 93442 Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 N. Pacific Highway Albany, OR 97321 Ontario Seed Co., Ltd. Box 144 Waterloo, Ont. Canada N2J 3Z9 Otis S. Twilley Seed Company, Inc. P.O. Box T65 Trevose, PA 19053 Park Seed Company Box 31 Cokesbury Road Greenwood, SC 29647-0001 Peace Seeds 1130 Tetherow Rd. Williams, OR 97554 Pinetree Garden Seeds New Gloucester, ME 04260 Porter & Sons Seedsmen Box 104 Stephenville, TX 76401-0104 Sandy Mush Herb Nursery Rt. 2 Surrett Cove Td. Leicester, NC 28748 Seed Savers Exchange Rt. 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 Seeds Blum Idaho City Stage Boise, ID 83707 Seedway, Inc. Box 250 Hall, NY 14463 Shepherds Garden Seeds 7389 West Zayante Rd. Felton, CA 95018 R.H. Shumway P.O. Box 777 Rockford, IL 61105 Southern Exposure Seed Exchage P.O. Box 158 North Garden, VA 22959 Stokes Seeds 28 Water Street Fredonia, NY 14063 Sunrise Enterprises P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110 Thompson and Morgan Box 1308, Dept SP6 Jackson, NJ 08527 Otis Twilley Seed Co. Box 65 Trevose, PA 19047 Vermont Bean Seed Company Garden Lane Fair Haven, BT 05743 Vesey's Seeds York P.E.I. Canada COA 1PO Well-Sweep Herb Farm 317 Mr. Bethel Rd. Port Murray, NJ. 07865 Wyatt-Quarles Seed Co. Box 739 Garner, NC 27529 Subject: Re: Seed Savers Exchange Date: 11 Jan 92 00:47:16 GMT The Seed Savers Exchange is a non-profit orgn which links home gardeners, farmers, scientists and other interested individuals to help preserve open-pollenated varieties of food crops (including many heirlooms). SSE is not a seed company - members share seeds by dealing directly with one another, using the SSE publications as a kind of trading post. Members are encouraged to grow out their seeds using proper seed-saving techniques, and reoffer the next generation of seeds through the program. The idea is that the more people who grow a given variety and collect seeds from it, the less likely that variety is to disappear. I could give you frightening statistics about the number of vegetable varieties that become extinct every year. I think a one-year membership is $25 for US residents, $30 for Canadians. For this you get 3 thick books, mailed separately throughout the year, filled with information about seed-saving and gardening in general. I have found these books to be amazingly informative. One of the books (usually mailed in January) contains an enormous list of the members' seed offerings. You can get a lot of varieties through SSE members which are no longer available from ANY commercial seed company, and apart from the annual membership fee, you only pay for postage. The address is: Seed Savers Exchange RR3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 May I also recommend a Canadian seed exchange which operates the same way as SSE. They also publish excellent, informative info and coordinate seed-swapping among members. Heritage Seed Program RR3, Uxbridge Ontario, Canada L9P 1R3 My info says: Canadian membership $12, fixed income $9, supporting member $20, U.S. & foreign $17. Subject: Re: Seed Savers Exchange Date: 11 Jan 92 21:02:10 GMT The Seed Savers Exchange (known hereafter as the SSE) is a not-for-profit, tax exempt, pubically supported organization. Annual membership dues are $25, $30 Canadian (or Mexican) and $40 Foreign. Lifetime membershhips are $350 (pledge payments of $30/month for a year are available). Membership is open to all. For a comprehensive brochure about the SSE, send $1.00 (US) to: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Rural Route 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 U.S. of America ALSO: For a free catalog, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to: THE PEPPER GAL 10536 119th Ave. North Largo, FL 34643 From: Kay Klier Subject: Great strange plants... Date: 27 Jan 92 23:59:42 GMT Just started to mark up my copy of the Nichol's Garden Nursery catalog (herbs and rare seed specialists) 1190 North Pacific Highway, Albany, OR, 97321. Haven't seen this catalog for years, and I guess I forgot all the lovely strange things they carry: For instance: Nepeta mussini, a low-growing rock garden catnip that my cats seem to think is the cat-equivalent of Acapulco gold. Coriander or Cilantro: a slow-bolting form Epazote: Chenopodium ambrosoides Good King Henry: Chenopodium bonus-henricus Anise hyssop: Agastache foeniculus. Licorice-scented leaves, nice blue flowers the bees love (no, you don't get licorice flavored honey). Tagetes lucida: a 3' marigold that makes a pretty good substitute for tarragon. Sweet Woodruff: for Mai-wine and potpourri Pyrethrum: grow your own. Some things I think I recall people asking about/talking about recently: Fraxinella (gas plant) Hops (for flavoring beer and ale) (yes, they are the other genus in the Cannabinaceae (or Cannabaceae, take your pick) -- anyhow, first cousin to marijuana Saffron crocus bulbs Walking onions Elephant garlic yellow potatos (bintje is great in potato salad!) yard long beans (no, green, not purple) celtuce miniature sweet corn (advise picking no more than 5 days after silks appear) jicama tomatillo 11 cvs hot pepper 12 cvs sweet pepper (incl. pepperoncini) Oddities that caught my eye: black radish (black skin, white flesh) Oregon Spring and Santiam tomatoes, two determinant types that are parthenocarpic. In poor growing conditions, fruits will be seedless. About 10 days *earlier* than Early Girl. Lion's ears (Leonotus nepetifolia): a 3-5 ft mint plant with whorls of orange flowers. The hummingbirds like this South African native. Lobelia 'Compliment Scarlet': a tetraploid cross between L. fulgens and L. cardinalis. Should be large (1-1.5") bright red flowers that hummingbirds ought to find irresistible. Chinese lantern plant (Physalis alkakengi): "husk tomatoes" with bright orange husks. Made about $100 one year selling that to florists on $1 worth of seed... Bushel gourd: a lageneria with fruits to 20" across. also LOTS of oriental veggies.... From: Kay Klier Subject: Nichol's and Liberty phone # Date: 29 Jan 92 19:11:43 GMT Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 Pacific Coast Highway Albany, OR 97321-4598 phone (503) 928-9280 fax (503) 967-8406 mainly herbs and veggies, esp. oriental veggies Seeds seem to run about $0.70-$1.50 packet, mostly around $1. Free catalog, I think. $1.25 handling charge per order. Liberty Seed PO Box 806 New Philadelphia, OH 44663 phone (216) 364-1611 fax (216) 364-6415 lots of "mainstream veggies" and a fair amount of wildflower and ornamental seeds. Interesting plants for drying. Prices about 1/2-3/4 of "rack" prices for packeted seeds (Burpee, NK, etc.) around here. Also will sell largish quantities of seed to ordinary people at wholesale prices (usually 25-50% off). (e.g., 4 oz beets $2.45, but 1 lb for $5.35) $1 handling per order east of Rockies. Add $0.20 per pound rest of Rockies. From: Kay Klier Subject: More strange plants... Date: 28 Jan 92 00:09:18 GMT 'Nother neat catalog: Liberty Seed Company, PO Box 806, New Philadephia, OH 44663. Lots of good, basic seeds, including 34 cultivars of sweet corn, and some FUN seeds like: Ornamental wheat for weaving and bouquets: black heads and black awns white heads and black awns white heads and white awns and 'Gigas': 3 1/2" heads with 1" long spikelets (HUGE!!) and grey or black awns. Podcorn: like a regular ear of field corn, but with "husks" surrounding each kernal. Broomcorn: not a corn, but a sorghum with long infloresence branches. It's the stuff real "cornbrooms" are made from. Since the tips of the inflorescences are covered with shiny yellow, red, brown, mahogany or black "seeds", they've apparently been considered decorative by the florists. Subject: Re: where are epazote seeds? Date: 11 Jan 92 00:00:26 GMT Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 North Pacific Highway Albany, Oregon 97321-4598 Plant a handful of epazote plants, and you'll never have to buy seed again. They happily reseed all over, and grow like--um, weeds. Which, if you didn't know what they were, is what you'd think of them. Mine are currently a gorgeous maroon color, tinged with scarlet, by the way. Their last gasp of the season. Subject: Re: where are epazote seeds? Date: 10 Jan 92 20:33:17 GMT SP> A recent issue of Fine Gardening contained an article about Mexican SP> culinary herbs, including catalog sources. I believe it mentioned SP> epazote. SP> I think it was the last issue (December). Epazote seed is available from the following source: HORTICULTURAL ENTERPRISE P.O. Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 While this company specializes in chilies and sweet peppers, they also sell the seeds of some Mexican herbs and vegetables. The catalog (actually a price-list) is free and they will mail seeds to Canada also. Subject: Re: slow bolting cilantro TW> I want to grow cilantro for the leaves here in southern Wisconsin. TW> Every variety I've tried goes to seed almost immediately. They're meant TW> to produce coriander I guess. There are some varieties that are meant to TW> produce leaves, but I can't find them. Any suggestions? You might try growing a variety called `Large Leaved'. It's a relatively slow flowering type which produces large quantities of young leaves for vegetable use. It's available from the following source: EVERGREEN Y.H. ENTERPRISES P.O. Box 17538 Anaheim, CA 92817 They offer a good selection of oriental vegetable seeds, over 50 varieties. Their catalog is $1.00. You could also try growing a variety of Cilantro called `Santo' (aka Slow Bolt, Long Standing, & Leafy). This is a new strain of Coriandrum sativum that produces lush vegetative growth through several cuttings and is relatively non-bolting. Although it is slow to bolt to seed, it's best to make succession plantings every few weeks to ensure a continuous harvest. "Most productive in cool weather." Some sources are: NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY Cat. - free 1190 North Pacific Hwy. Albany, OR 97321 REDWOOD CITY SEED CO. Cat. - $1.00 P.O. Box 361 Redwood City, CA 94064 SUNRISE ENTERPRISES Cat. - $1.00 P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110-0058 TERRITORIAL SEED CO. Cat. - free P.O. Box 27 Lorane, OR 97451 PS. There's a tropical plant with coriander-flavored leaves called Cilantro peperomia (Peperomia maculosa). Subject: Re: slow bolting cilantro Date: 29 Jan 92 17:37:54 GMT >I want to grow cilantro for the leaves here in southern Wisconsin. >Every variety I've tried goes to seed almost immediately. They're meant >to produce coriander I guess. There are some varieties that are meant to >produce leaves, but I can't find them. Any suggestions? I've never experienced the problem you describe, but here's what the Ortho book "All about Herbs" says about Coriander: Direct seed coriander in early spring or late summer through fall... Sowing the seeds in late spring or summer is futile because the short nights wil make plants flower and set seeds precociously, when they are tiny. Plants will withstand quite cold weather.... Subject: Suttons seed in England. Date: 11 Feb 92 18:57:53 GMT About 10 years ago I visit London and bought some interesting seeds I have never seen since. Could anoune check for the following? Tomato: "French cross" Pea: "Purple podded pea" About the same time, I also joined a meeting in Mosbach, Germany. I bought there a very good variety of Brussel sprout which I saw Thompson & Morgan offered one or two years ago, but they were out of stock when I wrote them: "Rubine" A violet/purple variety which was very frost-tolerant and gave much better taste on the sprouts. Subject: Re: Seeds missing in 1992 Thompson & Morgan catalogue Date: 8 Feb 92 22:14:06 GMT AC> To my greatest displeaure I have seen that the French climbing bean AC> Purple Podded Climbing bean has been removed from the lists. I got some sources for you out of the book _CORNUCOPIA: A Source Book of Edible Plants_ by Stephen Facciola (ISBN 0-9628087-0-9), but before I list them, here is a list of abbreviations used. CAT - Catalog CC - Credit Cards ENGL - English Language Catalog M.O. - Minimum Order OVER - Overseas PC - Personal Checks R & W - Retail and Wholesale RET - Retail AC> Could any of you check if some american seed resellers has listed this AC> bean in their catalogues? A pole bean called PURPLE POD is listed on page 9 in the 1992 catalog for: HENRY FIELD'S SEED & NURSERY CO. 407 Sycamore Street Shenandoah, IA 51602 (605) 665-9391 CAT FREE, R & W, PC/CC - - - - - - - - - - There is no listing for a bean called Purple Pod in the book _CORNUCOPIA_, but there are the following purple-podded pole snap beans: BLUE COCO, DOW PURPLE POD, LOUSIANA PURPLE POD, PURPLE PEACOCK, TRIONFO VIOLETTO, VIOLA CORNETTI, and VIOLET PODDED STRINGLESS. If you are interested in any of these pole beans, let me know my e-mail and I'll send you the appropriate address(es). AC> My mother also has for long times missed the tomato 'Tiny Tim'. Is it AC> available AC> in US? If so, which reseller do sell it abroad? The following tomato seed supplier sells to overseas customers. TOMATO SEED CO., INC. P.O. Box 323 Metuchen, NJ 08840 (201) 548-9036 CAT FREE, RET, PC, OVER - - - - - - - - - - AC> Another plant is a herb growing on Madagascar in Africa. It is the only AC> representative of the family in Africa, all others (and also the same AC> species) grows in Southern America. I have seen sometime the American AC> name, but have forgot it. In Madagascar it is called 'Anamalao'. It's AC> latin name is 'Spilanthes oleracea'. Could any of you check if some AC> seed resellers sell this spice/herb? `Spilanthes oleracea' (a.k.a. Spilanthes acmella `Oleracea') Para or Brazil cress has two sources, both in the US. PEACE SEEDS 2385 S.E. Thompson St. Corvallis, OR 97333 (503) 752-0421 CAT $3.50, R & W, PC/OC, OVER - - - - - - - - - - SEEDS OF CHANGE 621 Old Santa Fe Trail, #10 Santa Fe, NM 87501 (505) 983-8956 From: Kay Klier Subject: Cream Peas FOUND!!! Date: 17 Feb 92 01:03:02 GMT Browsing through the Park's catalog while I was home with strep throat: lo and behold, CREAM PEAS on p. 15 of the spring catalog. These are indeed what I learned to call southern peas, cowpeas or fieldpeas in agronomy classes, and they list several cultivars: 'Banquet' (p. 15) 5226-3 $1.25 pkt 1.95 4oz 3.15 8oz 'Hercules' (p. 111) 5232-6 all cultivars same price 'Mississippi Silver' (p. 111) 5224-9 'Purple Hull' (p.111) 5228-7 'California blackeye' (p.111) 5222-5 Park's Seed Cokesbury Road Greenwood SC 29647-0001 Liberty Seed Company PO Box 806 New Philadephia, OH 44663 offers 'California Blackeye #5', 'Mississipi Silver' and 'Purple Hull Pinkeye' for $0.95/pkt or 2.15 for 8 oz. Subject: Re: can you plant "food" beans Date: 18 Feb 92 01:28:51 GMT > I buy pinto beans and lima beans and lentils and etc. and was thinking > about growing some type of bean of that nature this year. I was perusing > the catalogs and said how come pinto beans cost $.40/pound to eat but $.95 > per 2 oz. to plant them. My husband said why don't we just plant some of > the ones we buy to eat. Well, that seems like a great idea, certainly a > lot cheaper than buying seeds, but I figured that was too obvious and > might not work. The reason you might pay $0.95 for bean seed is that you should be getting plants that are true to their variety, and shouldn't have seed-borne diseases (beans have several, most of which are readily apparent). If you plant the grocery store stock, they'll grow just fine, and produce, but they may not be just like the ones you planted. They may be F2 segregates of hybrid stock, or they may be accidental hybrids. If you can tolerate some strange- looking beans, go for it. Some companies also inoculate their bean seed with Rhizobium bacteria to help the plants fix nitrogen. You may want to inoculate grocery store seed with a commercial legume inocculant (Nitragin is one brand that comes to mind, but there are others). Don't bother to inoculate though, if you use nitrogen containing fertilizer on your beans anyhow. They won't fix nitorgen under those conditions. Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI Subject: Re: German Ivy Date: 16 Feb 92 21:54:47 GMT ja> Does anyone know where I can get German Ivy. I tried all the local ja> nurseries and they say that they are getting some but haven't for about ja> a year. A friend of mine love s this plant and desperatley wnats one. ja> A mail order company would be nice but anyplace is better than none. You might try the following mail-order company. IVIES OF THE WORLD P.O. Box 408 Highway 42 (2 miles East) Weirsdale, FL 32195 (904) 821-2201 or 5322 (telephone) This company's catalog is $1.50 and they have a $20 minimum order. Offers more than 200 cultivars of ivt, mainly rooted cuttings; plants are grouped by type and well described. This nursey was formerly Tropexotic Growers and before that The Alestake of Elkwood, VA. PS - They also accept telephone orders paid by credit card. This information is from _Gardening by Mail: A Source Book_ by Barbara J. Barton (ISBN 0-395-52280-3), 3rd edition. * Forwarded from "Home and Garden" * Originally dated 31 Mar 1992, 16:58 > I am in the process of starting an herb garden, and > would like addresses for companies that sell seeds or baby > plants....I am mainly interested in finding herbs other than > those commonly considered as "cooking herbs", they have been > easy to find.... I hope you can get the Herbs'n'Such echo... but if not, here are two herb sources... I haven't written to them yet, so I don't know what they offer, but I got this list from my local paper this week... WOODRUFF FARMS, RFD 2, Whitehalll, NY 12887... Flowers, vegetables and herbs; packets usually have fewer seeds than more expensive packets. SHEPHERD'S GARDEN SEEDS, 6116 Highway 9, Felton, CA 95018... Excellent herb and vegetable seeds and recipes. Since I've started, here is the rest of what was listed in the article, from Scripps News Service: COMPANIES FURNISHING MAIL-ORDER GARDEN CATALOGS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AMERICAN DAYLILY AND PERENNIALS, PO Box 7008, The Woodlands, TX 77387... A specialty grower that features day lilies, iris, and other plants that may be hard to find. BOUNTIFUL GARDENS, 5798 Ridgewood Road, Willits, CA 95490... For organic gardeners, with more than 200 varieties of open-pollinated seeds, cover crops, seed-planting guidelines and supplies. BURPEE, 300 Park Ave., Warminster, PA... Annuals, perennials, shrubs, trees, vegetables, and garden plans. CARROLL GARDENS, PO Box 310, 444 Main St., Westminster, MD 21157... Roses, shrubs, perennials, trees and vines. HARRIS SEEDS, Moreton Farm, 3670 Buffalo Road, Rochester, NY 14624... Flower and vegetable seeds, many developed by a research organization. HASTINGS, 1036 White St., SW, PO Box 115535, Atlanta, GA 30310-8535... Seedsman for the South; most vegetable and flower selections will grow in the Midwest. J.L. HUDSON, SEEDSMAN, PO Box 1058, Redwood City, CA 94064... Offers directions for hardy annuals, tender annuals, hardy perennials, biennials, hardy trees and shrubs, tropical plants and trees and palm seeds. JOHNNY'S SELECTED SEEDS, Foss Hill Road, Albion, Maine 04910-9731... Organically produced seeds. LIBERTY SEED CO., PO Box 806, New Philadelphia, OH 44663... An old, reliable firm offering many Ohio favorites. PARK SEED CO., Cokesbury Road, Greenwood, SC 29647-0001... Annuals, perennials, bulbs, trees, shrubs, vines and vegetables. PEACEFUL VALLEY FARM SUPPLY, PO Box 2209, Grass Valley, CA 95945... Supplies such as earthworm castings and cover crop seeds for organic gardens. STARK BROTHERS' NURSERIES, Louisiana, MO 63353... Specializes in fruit trees. STOKES, Box 548, Buffalo, NY 14240... Dozens of varieties of tomatos, with in-depth descriptions; also a wide range of vegetable and flower seeds. WAYSIDE GARDENS, 1 Garden Lane, Hodges, SC 29695-0001... A colorfully illustrated catalog of shrubs, vines and trees. WHITE FLOWER FARM, Litchfield, Conn., 06759-0050... Provides several colorful catalogs and updates annually, describing fine varieties of perennials and shrubs. Subject: Buena Creek Gardens Date: 6 Mar 92 17:52:35 GMT The following is the name an address of a local mail-order nursery that specializes in hybrid daylilies, irises, perennials, rare subtropicals, and drought tolerant plants. The name of the nursery is Cordon Bleu, but the mail order business in Buena Creek Gardens. Buena Creek Gardens 418 Buena Creek Rd. San Marcos, CA 92069 Steve Brigham (619)744-2810 I went by a couple of weeks ago and they have some very unusual plants. They specialize in daylilies, but there weren't too many in bloom. Most are well suited varieties for California or the south (evergreen varieties). They also had a lot of irises, many of which they claim will rebloom in our climate. They are preparing for a large iris show in April. The original property had some very unusual plants on in it (many not for sale). There were full sized specimens of unusual cacti. They also had a lot of Australian and south African plants. Lots of plants had naturalized over the years. In many of the shady areas, they had Lenten roses in bloom. Also they had a drought tolerant lily-family member plant that grows well under eucalyptus. It had pale yellow colored flower spikes and succulent looking foliage and blooms in late winter to early spring. The property next door is Judy's perennials (619-471-8850) and is set up more in an English Garden style. She keeps weird hours, so is best call before going. She carries some of the new alstroemeria hybrids and true geraniums. She also uses clear soft yellow munnemannia fumarifolia (Mexican tulip poppy) in her gardens. It is related to the native California poppy and supposed to be easy to grow from seed, but I have had no luck with it. Hopefully she will have some of these plants for sale this year. Subject: Re: edible roots Date: 12 Mar 92 23:50:37 GMT >Does anyone have the complete address. Do I need to send a SASE with >the $1? J.L. Hudson, Seedsman P.O. Box 1058 Redwood City, CA 94064 SASE not required... Hudson's catalog is too big for a standard envelope. Add an extra dollar for a one-year subscription to his rare seeds supplement... comes out 2-3 times a year, and lists seeds that have recently arrived and may not be available in large enough quantities to be listed in the main catalog. His catalog is _great_ reading... it always leaves me with a very bad case of acreage-lust (I want enough garden space to grow two of _everything_). Nice folks, too... I usually enclose a letter with my order letting them know how my previous year's plants turned out, and I've always gotten a note back in response (usually from Hudson himself). The Zapotec Collection contains some very interesting varieties... I really love the Manzano Amarillo chile (fuzzy leaves, apple-shaped green fruits turning yellow/orange when ripe, flavorful, and VERY HOT). Another interesting edible-root plant is the "Chinese Yam" or "Cinnamon vine". At least, it _sounds_ interesting... perennial, pretty much pest-free, productive, easy to grow, and the (inconspicuous) flowers smell like cinnamon. The biggest disadvantage (according to the Seeds Blum catalog) is that the tubers go _deep_ into the ground and aren't suited for mechanical harvest... you must go after them with a garden-fork. However, they can (it says here) be left in the ground indefinitely; the tubers get larger and larger but don't get tough or woody. I can't swear to any of this... mine are still at the seedling stage and I won't know until autumn whether I really like them. I got the bulblets from Seeds Blum (tried last year but they were out; they say they have a good supply this year) and I've gotten 100% of the bulblets I planted to sprout. Seeds Blum Idaho City Stage Boise, Idaho These folks get #very# badly backlogged in the spring. I usually get their catalog right around Christmas time, and I've learned to send in the order immediately... one year I waited until the end of February to order, and my seeds took over eight weeks to arrive. They're a good source of heirloom and traditional vegetable varieties... no F1 hybrids at all. Subject: Re: Parsley seeds Date: 17 Mar 92 14:10:47 GMT > I am looking for a source for parsley seeds. Please help! This year, I ordered herb seeds (Italian and "curly" parsley included) from: Pinetree Garden Seeds Lewiston Road New Gloucester, Maine 04260 You could send away for their catalog; its free. Here are some other sources: W. Atlee Burpee Co. 300 Park Ave. Warminster, PA 18974 (free catalog) Well Sweep Herb Farm 317 Mt. Bethel Road Port Murray, NJ 07868 ($1 catalog) Jude Herbs Box 563-CJ Huntington Station, NY 11746 ($1 catalog) Sandy Mush Herb Nursery Rt. 2, Sorret Cover Road Leichester, NC 28748 ($3.95 catalog) Subject: Re: edible roots--unusual beets Date: 18 Mar 92 01:53:20 GMT For unusual beets, have I got a seed catalog for you! The Cook's Garden P.O. Box 535 Londonderry, VT 05148 These guys specialize in heirloom and unusual vegetables. This year, I'm trying Chiogga, an heirloom variety that is supposed to be very sugary and have a root consisting of pink and white rings, giving a candystripe appearance. They have golden beets, carrot-rooted beets, beets grown for their tops, etc... All sorts of interesting varieties. (You should see their selection of salad greens!! Or eggplants!) Subject: Australian plants Keywords: catalogs, seeds I have recently read through a number of books which are either directly or indirectly about Australian plants. Does anyone know of seed catalogs which might specialize in the Australia/New Zealand area? I have such catalog gems as J.L.Hudson and The Banana Tree, and have ordered from them. But they only offer a smattering of goodies from down under. A summary will be posted if requested. Thanks. Subject: Re: creeping thyme source? Date: 31 Mar 92 18:48:47 GMT A good source of thymes is the nursery someone posted yesterday: Companion Plants, 7247 N. Coolville Ridge, Rd., Athens, Ohio 45701. Phone (614) 592-4043. Most of their thymes are prostrate ("creeping"). My favorite thyme is orange-balsam. It has a warm, almost nutty, citrus scent. It is one of the more upright growing thymes. Subject: Re: creeping thyme source? > Maybe I am not shopping at the right places, or getting the right > catalogues, but I have yet to find a place that sells creeping thyme > in any shape or form. If you know a source, please clue me in. Try any of the following sources. COMPANION PLANTS [CATALOG $2] 7247 North Coolville Ridge Road [MINIMUM ORDER] Athens, OH 45701 [$15 Plants] (614) 592-4643 [$5 Seeds] ----- THE SEED SOURCE [CAT $4] Rte. 68, Box 301 [M.O. $25] Tuckasegee, NC 28783 NOTE: Has seed of more than 7,000 unusual plants. Previously known as Maver Nursery. ----- WELL-SWEEP HERB FARM [CAT $2] 317 Mt. Bethel Rd. [M.O. $5] Port Murray, NJ 07865 [NO telephone orders] (201) 852-5390 --------------------------------------------------------------------- The above information is from _CORNUCOPIA: A Source Book of Edible Plants_ by Stephen Facciola (ISBN 0-9628087-0-9) BTW, you might also try: NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY INC. [CAT FREE] 1190 North Pacific Hwy. Albany, OR 97321 (503) 928-9280 Re: Fern Society, sources for fern spores. Subject: Re:Spore source wanted, also associations Date: 5 Dec 91 19:21:17 GMT >Does anyone know of a source for fern spores. Parks, etc occasionally offer >mixtures, but I want to know what is growing when something starts. >Additionally I've gotten some strange looking hybrids out of the mixture >method of growing fern. Also are there National Associations offering spore >and seed libraries for their members? If so, can anyone offer addresses/phone >numbers? You might try contacting either/or the following societies. AMERICAN FERN SOCIETY Dept. of Botany, Univ. of Vermont Burlington, VT 05405-0086 Membership does not include the more scholarly "Fmerican Fern Journal", which costs an extra $15 (plus $4 overseas). Spore exchange has fresh spore available by exchange or at nominal cost to society members. Membership is by calendar year only. Also publishes "Pteridologia" (irregular basis); write for information. Annual Dues --- $8 (in USA) -------------------------------------------------------------------- LOS ANGELES INTERNATIONAL FERN SOCIETY P.O. Box 90943 Pasadena, CA 91109-0943 Has a spore program and round-robins on various subjects. Also holds educational programs. Annual Dues --- $15 Subject: Seed Savers Exchange (was: Wish List) Date: 10 Apr 92 20:33:18 GMT I thought I should give a plug for the Seed Saver's Exchange, address Rural Route 3, Box 239, Decorah Iowa 52101. Annual membership is $25, ("optional reduced fees $20, $15") and you get a Yearbook containing members addresses and varieties of heirloom plants offered. This year they list 14,780 kinds of rare vegetables, grain, a few fruit and misc. These folks also run a 140 acre Heritage Farm, and are doing a great job of preserving a diverse gene pool - a critical endeavor which will someday be appreciated. CA Du D (me/us) are listed this year for the wonderful dry-bean variety _Tarahumara carpinteros_, a 90 day drought tolerant vigorous plant with gorgeous black and white beans (like Holsteins). email if interested... Subject: Source for camellia 'Pink Perfection' Date: 29 Apr 92 15:39:07 GMT Camellia 'Pink Perfection' is listed in the current CAMELLIA FOREST nursery catalog. CAMELLIA FOREST 125 Carolina Forest Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-967-5529 $1 catalog price I purchased a few plants from Camellia Forest and was very satisified with size, quality, packing etc. The camellia selection is huge. Also many unusual asian trees and shrubs. The catalog is well done and quite informative. Subject: Re: edible roots Date: 12 Mar 92 23:50:37 GMT >Does anyone have the complete address. Do I need to send a SASE with >the $1? J.L. Hudson, Seedsman P.O. Box 1058 Redwood City, CA 94064 SASE not required... Hudson's catalog is too big for a standard envelope. Add an extra dollar for a one-year subscription to his rare seeds supplement... comes out 2-3 times a year, and lists seeds that have recently arrived and may not be available in large enough quantities to be listed in the main catalog. His catalog is _great_ reading... it always leaves me with a very bad case of acreage-lust (I want enough garden space to grow two of _everything_). Nice folks, too... I usually enclose a letter with my order letting them know how my previous year's plants turned out, and I've always gotten a note back in response (usually from Hudson himself). The Zapotec Collection contains some very interesting varieties... I really love the Manzano Amarillo chile (fuzzy leaves, apple-shaped green fruits turning yellow/orange when ripe, flavorful, and VERY HOT). Another interesting edible-root plant is the "Chinese Yam" or "Cinnamon vine". At least, it _sounds_ interesting... perennial, pretty much pest-free, productive, easy to grow, and the (inconspicuous) flowers smell like cinnamon. The biggest disadvantage (according to the Seeds Blum catalog) is that the tubers go _deep_ into the ground and aren't suited for mechanical harvest... you must go after them with a garden-fork. However, they can (it says here) be left in the ground indefinitely; the tubers get larger and larger but don't get tough or woody. I can't swear to any of this... mine are still at the seedling stage and I won't know until autumn whether I really like them. I got the bulblets from Seeds Blum (tried last year but they were out; they say they have a good supply this year) and I've gotten 100% of the bulblets I planted to sprout. Seeds Blum Idaho City Stage Boise, Idaho These folks get #very# badly backlogged in the spring. I usually get their catalog right around Christmas time, and I've learned to send in the order immediately... one year I waited until the end of February to order, and my seeds took over eight weeks to arrive. They're a good source of heirloom and traditional vegetable varieties... no F1 hybrids at all. Subject: Re: creeping thyme source? Date: 31 Mar 92 18:48:47 GMT A good source of thymes is the nursery someone posted yesterday: Companion Plants, 7247 N. Coolville Ridge, Rd., Athens, Ohio 45701. Phone (614) 592-4043. Most of their thymes are prostrate ("creeping"). My favorite thyme is orange-balsam. It has a warm, almost nutty, citrus scent. It is one of the more upright growing thymes. Subject: Re: creeping thyme source? > Maybe I am not shopping at the right places, or getting the right > catalogues, but I have yet to find a place that sells creeping thyme > in any shape or form. If you know a source, please clue me in. Try any of the following sources. COMPANION PLANTS [CATALOG $2] 7247 North Coolville Ridge Road [MINIMUM ORDER] Athens, OH 45701 [$15 Plants] (614) 592-4643 [$5 Seeds] ----- THE SEED SOURCE [CAT $4] Rte. 68, Box 301 [M.O. $25] Tuckasegee, NC 28783 NOTE: Has seed of more than 7,000 unusual plants. Previously known as Maver Nursery. ----- WELL-SWEEP HERB FARM [CAT $2] 317 Mt. Bethel Rd. [M.O. $5] Port Murray, NJ 07865 [NO telephone orders] (201) 852-5390 --------------------------------------------------------------------- The above information is from _CORNUCOPIA: A Source Book of Edible Plants_ by Stephen Facciola (ISBN 0-9628087-0-9) BTW, you might also try: NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY INC. [CAT FREE] 1190 North Pacific Hwy. Albany, OR 97321 (503) 928-9280 Subject: Re: Maza Corn Date: 27 Jan 92 22:39:47 GMT DA> I would like to grow the kind of Corn which is ground DA> for making tortillias, maza harina, tamalies, and the DA> like. I would like the leaves which wrap the ear to DA> be large enough to wrap tamalies. Where do I find DA> seed for the traditional mexican maza corn? The type of corn that is best suited for this purpose woulds be a type called a FLOUR CORN. Kernals of flour corn are easier to grind than flint or dent corn, milling easily to a soft flour. It's grown primarily in the Southwest and the Northern Plains. It's available with kernals that are either blue/purple, multi-colored, red/pink, white, yellow, and black. I'll give you the names of the yellow varieties plus some sources. HOPI YELLOW MANDAN YELLOW PAPAGO TEXAS SHOEPEG SOURCES Abbreviation(s) CAT - catalog ABUNDANT LIFE SEED FOUNDATION CAT - $1 P.O. Box 772 Port Townsend, WA 98368 NATIVE SEEDS/SEARCH CAT - $1 2509 N. Campbell Ave. #325 Tuczon, AZ 85719 PLANTS OF THE SOUTHWEST CAT - $1 930 Baca St. Santa Fe, NM 87501 Subject: Re: Catalog addresses (was Re: Burpee address) Date: 6 Jan 92 18:03:53 GMT I got some of this from the net a while back, so it's worth publishing again. I haven't heard of 'Pepper Gal', but I recommend a magazine called 'Chile Pepper'. Good info and good receipes. Alberta Nurseries & Seeds, LTD. Box 20 Bowden, Alta. Canada TOM OKO Burgess Seed and Plant Co. 905 Four Seasons Road Bloomington, IL 61701 Burpee Seed Company 300 Park Avenue Warminster, PA 18974 D.V. Burrell Seed Company Box 150 Rocky Ford, CO 81067 Caprilands Herb Farm 534 Silver Street Coventry, CT 06238 Henry Fields and Company Box 600 Shenandoah, IA 51602 Friends of the Trees P.O. Box 1064 Tonasket, WA 98855 Gurney Seed and Nursery 110 Capital Street Yankton, SD 57079 Harris Moran Seed Company 3670 Buffalo Road Moreton Farm Rochester, NY 14624 H.G. Hastings and Company Box 4274 Atlanta, GA 30302 Heirloom Gardens Box 138 Guerneville, CA 95446 Horticultural Enterprises Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 Jackson and Perkins Box 1028 Medford, OR 97501 Johnny's Selected Seeds 310 Foss Hill Road Albion, ME 04910 J.W. Jung Seed Company 335 South High Street Randolph, WI 53957 Laval Seeds 3505 Saint Martin West Ville de Laval, Que. Candada H7T 1A2 Le Jardin du Gourmet West Danville, VT 05873 Le Marche Seeds International Box 566 Dixon, CA 95620 Orol Ledden & Sons, Inc. Center and Atlantic Avenues Sewel, NJ 08080-0007 Liberty Seed Company P.O. Box 806 New Philadelphia, OH 44663 Long Island Seed Company 1368 Flanders Road Flanders NY 11901 Earl May Seed and Nursery Company Shenandoah, IA 51603 Mc Crory's Sunny Hill Herb Farm Star Route 3 Box 844 Eustis, FL 32726 Mellinger's 2374 W. South Range Road North Lima, OH 44452 Michigan Bulb Company 1950 Waldorf, N.W. Grand Rapids, MI 49550 Moon Mountain Wildflowers P.O. Box 34 Morro Bay, CA 93442 Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 N. Pacific Highway Albany, OR 97321 Ontario Seed Co., Ltd. Box 144 Waterloo, Ont. Canada N2J 3Z9 Otis S. Twilley Seed Company, Inc. P.O. Box T65 Trevose, PA 19053 Park Seed Company Box 31 Cokesbury Road Greenwood, SC 29647-0001 Peace Seeds 1130 Tetherow Rd. Williams, OR 97554 Pinetree Garden Seeds New Gloucester, ME 04260 Porter & Sons Seedsmen Box 104 Stephenville, TX 76401-0104 Sandy Mush Herb Nursery Rt. 2 Surrett Cove Td. Leicester, NC 28748 Seed Savers Exchange Rt. 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 Seeds Blum Idaho City Stage Boise, ID 83707 Seedway, Inc. Box 250 Hall, NY 14463 Shepherds Garden Seeds 7389 West Zayante Rd. Felton, CA 95018 R.H. Shumway P.O. Box 777 Rockford, IL 61105 Southern Exposure Seed Exchage P.O. Box 158 North Garden, VA 22959 Stokes Seeds 28 Water Street Fredonia, NY 14063 Sunrise Enterprises P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110 Thompson and Morgan Box 1308, Dept SP6 Jackson, NJ 08527 Otis Twilley Seed Co. Box 65 Trevose, PA 19047 Vermont Bean Seed Company Garden Lane Fair Haven, BT 05743 Vesey's Seeds York P.E.I. Canada COA 1PO Well-Sweep Herb Farm 317 Mr. Bethel Rd. Port Murray, NJ. 07865 Wyatt-Quarles Seed Co. Box 739 Garner, NC 27529 Subject: Re: Seed Savers Exchange Date: 11 Jan 92 00:47:16 GMT The Seed Savers Exchange is a non-profit orgn which links home gardeners, farmers, scientists and other interested individuals to help preserve open-pollenated varieties of food crops (including many heirlooms). SSE is not a seed company - members share seeds by dealing directly with one another, using the SSE publications as a kind of trading post. Members are encouraged to grow out their seeds using proper seed-saving techniques, and reoffer the next generation of seeds through the program. The idea is that the more people who grow a given variety and collect seeds from it, the less likely that variety is to disappear. I could give you frightening statistics about the number of vegetable varieties that become extinct every year. I think a one-year membership is $25 for US residents, $30 for Canadians. For this you get 3 thick books, mailed separately throughout the year, filled with information about seed-saving and gardening in general. I have found these books to be amazingly informative. One of the books (usually mailed in January) contains an enormous list of the members' seed offerings. You can get a lot of varieties through SSE members which are no longer available from ANY commercial seed company, and apart from the annual membership fee, you only pay for postage. The address is: Seed Savers Exchange RR3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 May I also recommend a Canadian seed exchange which operates the same way as SSE. They also publish excellent, informative info and coordinate seed-swapping among members. Heritage Seed Program RR3, Uxbridge Ontario, Canada L9P 1R3 My info says: Canadian membership $12, fixed income $9, supporting member $20, U.S. & foreign $17. Subject: Re: Seed Savers Exchange Date: 11 Jan 92 21:02:10 GMT The Seed Savers Exchange (known hereafter as the SSE) is a not-for-profit, tax exempt, pubically supported organization. Annual membership dues are $25, $30 Canadian (or Mexican) and $40 Foreign. Lifetime membershhips are $350 (pledge payments of $30/month for a year are available). Membership is open to all. For a comprehensive brochure about the SSE, send $1.00 (US) to: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Rural Route 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 U.S. of America -------------------------------------- ALSO: For a free catalog, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to: THE PEPPER GAL 10536 119th Ave. North Largo, FL 34643 From: Kay Klier Subject: Great strange plants... Date: 27 Jan 92 23:59:42 GMT Just started to mark up my copy of the Nichol's Garden Nursery catalog (herbs and rare seed specialists) 1190 North Pacific Highway, Albany, OR, 97321. Haven't seen this catalog for years, and I guess I forgot all the lovely strange things they carry: For instance: Nepeta mussini, a low-growing rock garden catnip that my cats seem to think is the cat-equivalent of Acapulco gold. Coriander or Cilantro: a slow-bolting form Epazote: Chenopodium ambrosoides Good King Henry: Chenopodium bonus-henricus Anise hyssop: Agastache foeniculus. Licorice-scented leaves, nice blue flowers the bees love (no, you don't get licorice flavored honey). Tagetes lucida: a 3' marigold that makes a pretty good substitute for tarragon. Sweet Woodruff: for Mai-wine and potpourri Pyrethrum: grow your own. Some things I think I recall people asking about/talking about recently: Fraxinella (gas plant) Hops (for flavoring beer and ale) (yes, they are the other genus in the Cannabinaceae (or Cannabaceae, take your pick) -- anyhow, first cousin to marijuana Saffron crocus bulbs Walking onions Elephant garlic yellow potatos (bintje is great in potato salad!) yard long beans (no, green, not purple) celtuce miniature sweet corn (advise picking no more than 5 days after silks appear) jicama tomatillo 11 cvs hot pepper 12 cvs sweet pepper (incl. pepperoncini) Oddities that caught my eye: black radish (black skin, white flesh) Oregon Spring and Santiam tomatoes, two determinant types that are parthenocarpic. In poor growing conditions, fruits will be seedless. About 10 days *earlier* than Early Girl. Lion's ears (Leonotus nepetifolia): a 3-5 ft mint plant with whorls of orange flowers. The hummingbirds like this South African native. Lobelia 'Compliment Scarlet': a tetraploid cross between L. fulgens and L. cardinalis. Should be large (1-1.5") bright red flowers that hummingbirds ought to find irresistible. Chinese lantern plant (Physalis alkakengi): "husk tomatoes" with bright orange husks. Made about $100 one year selling that to florists on $1 worth of seed... Bushel gourd: a lageneria with fruits to 20" across. also LOTS of oriental veggies.... From: Kay Klier Subject: Nichol's and Liberty phone # Date: 29 Jan 92 19:11:43 GMT Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 Pacific Coast Highway Albany, OR 97321-4598 phone (503) 928-9280 fax (503) 967-8406 mainly herbs and veggies, esp. oriental veggies Seeds seem to run about $0.70-$1.50 packet, mostly around $1. Free catalog, I think. $1.25 handling charge per order. Liberty Seed PO Box 806 New Philadelphia, OH 44663 phone (216) 364-1611 fax (216) 364-6415 lots of "mainstream veggies" and a fair amount of wildflower and ornamental seeds. Interesting plants for drying. Prices about 1/2-3/4 of "rack" prices for packeted seeds (Burpee, NK, etc.) around here. Also will sell largish quantities of seed to ordinary people at wholesale prices (usually 25-50% off). (e.g., 4 oz beets $2.45, but 1 lb for $5.35) $1 handling per order east of Rockies. Add $0.20 per pound rest of Rockies. From: Kay Klier Subject: More strange plants... Date: 28 Jan 92 00:09:18 GMT 'Nother neat catalog: Liberty Seed Company, PO Box 806, New Philadephia, OH 44663. Lots of good, basic seeds, including 34 cultivars of sweet corn, and some FUN seeds like: Ornamental wheat for weaving and bouquets: black heads and black awns white heads and black awns white heads and white awns and 'Gigas': 3 1/2" heads with 1" long spikelets (HUGE!!) and grey or black awns. Podcorn: like a regular ear of field corn, but with "husks" surrounding each kernal. Broomcorn: not a corn, but a sorghum with long infloresence branches. It's the stuff real "cornbrooms" are made from. Since the tips of the inflorescences are covered with shiny yellow, red, brown, mahogany or black "seeds", they've apparently been considered decorative by the florists. Subject: Re: where are epazote seeds? Date: 11 Jan 92 00:00:26 GMT Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 North Pacific Highway Albany, Oregon 97321-4598 Plant a handful of epazote plants, and you'll never have to buy seed again. They happily reseed all over, and grow like--um, weeds. Which, if you didn't know what they were, is what you'd think of them. Mine are currently a gorgeous maroon color, tinged with scarlet, by the way. Their last gasp of the season. Subject: Re: where are epazote seeds? Date: 10 Jan 92 20:33:17 GMT SP> A recent issue of Fine Gardening contained an article about Mexican SP> culinary herbs, including catalog sources. I believe it mentioned SP> epazote. SP> I think it was the last issue (December). Epazote seed is available from the following source: HORTICULTURAL ENTERPRISE P.O. Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 While this company specializes in chilies and sweet peppers, they also sell the seeds of some Mexican herbs and vegetables. The catalog (actually a price-list) is free and they will mail seeds to Canada also. Subject: Re: slow bolting cilantro TW> I want to grow cilantro for the leaves here in southern Wisconsin. TW> Every variety I've tried goes to seed almost immediately. They're meant TW> to produce coriander I guess. There are some varieties that are meant to TW> produce leaves, but I can't find them. Any suggestions? You might try growing a variety called `Large Leaved'. It's a relatively slow flowering type which produces large quantities of young leaves for vegetable use. It's available from the following source: EVERGREEN Y.H. ENTERPRISES P.O. Box 17538 Anaheim, CA 92817 They offer a good selection of oriental vegetable seeds, over 50 varieties. Their catalog is $1.00. You could also try growing a variety of Cilantro called `Santo' (aka Slow Bolt, Long Standing, & Leafy). This is a new strain of Coriandrum sativum that produces lush vegetative growth through several cuttings and is relatively non-bolting. Although it is slow to bolt to seed, it's best to make succession plantings every few weeks to ensure a continuous harvest. "Most productive in cool weather." Some sources are: NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY Cat. - free 1190 North Pacific Hwy. Albany, OR 97321 REDWOOD CITY SEED CO. Cat. - $1.00 P.O. Box 361 Redwood City, CA 94064 SUNRISE ENTERPRISES Cat. - $1.00 P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110-0058 TERRITORIAL SEED CO. Cat. - free P.O. Box 27 Lorane, OR 97451 PS. There's a tropical plant with coriander-flavored leaves called Cilantro peperomia (Peperomia maculosa). Subject: Re: slow bolting cilantro Date: 29 Jan 92 17:37:54 GMT >I want to grow cilantro for the leaves here in southern Wisconsin. >Every variety I've tried goes to seed almost immediately. They're meant >to produce coriander I guess. There are some varieties that are meant to >produce leaves, but I can't find them. Any suggestions? I've never experienced the problem you describe, but here's what the Ortho book "All about Herbs" says about Coriander: Direct seed coriander in early spring or late summer through fall... Sowing the seeds in late spring or summer is futile because the short nights wil make plants flower and set seeds precociously, when they are tiny. Plants will withstand quite cold weather.... From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:24:00 EST 1994 Article: 25100 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: HERB GROUP Date: 7 Jan 1994 23:48:06 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2gksbm$8s0@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] RE: subscription information for mail-list group on herbs. I've never subscribed so I don't know how active this is. Send e-mail to: LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET In the message text put: SUBSCRIBE HERB FIRST-NAME LAST-NAME To submit postings, e-mail to HERB@TREARN.BITNET Jan jlupson@uoguelph.ca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!leo!ehenders Thu Jan 13 09:31:12 EST 1994 Article: 24956 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!leo!ehenders From: ehenders@leo.vsla.edu (Elizabeth Henderson) Subject: Re: Stopping rabbits? Message-ID: <1994Jan4.042532.25371@leo.vsla.edu> Organization: Virginia State Library References: <931230.85907.TELEM@delphi.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 04:25:32 GMT Lines: 16 I've had some luck with putting cat hair around my lettuce and spinach. I have a cat who sheds copiously so he has to be brushed daily. It adds up fast, and he's too dumb to be allowed out on his own (we live on a very busy street). Our local Master Gardener Info booth at the Farmer's Market suggested highly perfumed soap shavings (a standard repellant for deer). That also seems to work, but the cat hair seems to last longer. I would imagine dog hair would work also. Somewhat more esthethic than dog poop (cat droppings would NOT be advised, as I remember there is some kind of fungus or parasite in them that is harmful. I know you can't put them in the compost, so straight in the garden would be worse. I haven't heard anything similiar about dog poop, except of course for the problem of hook worms in sandy soil). Elizabeth Henderson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!leo!ehenders Thu Jan 13 09:31:13 EST 1994 Article: 24957 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!leo!ehenders From: ehenders@leo.vsla.edu (Elizabeth Henderson) Subject: Re: Key Lime Tree Message-ID: <1994Jan4.043531.25457@leo.vsla.edu> Organization: Virginia State Library References: <2ga52j$s0r@eis.calstate.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 04:35:31 GMT Lines: 9 >From personal experience I wouldn't recommend starting from seed for any citrus. Nursery stock is the way to go. My key lime (grown from seed) followed me on a move from Key West to Tampa and then to Virginia and did beautifully in a large pot, fruiting several times until it succumbed to one of the several root fungi/bacterial diseases that can plague citrus. A real heartbreaker, so look for resistant rootstock. Good luck. Lizabeth Henderson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 Thu Jan 13 09:31:13 EST 1994 Article: 24958 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 From: Moira_Carlson@mindlink.bc.ca (Moira Carlson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Roses In Half-Barrels Date: 4 Jan 94 06:01:28 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 49 Distribution: world Message-ID: <35733@mindlink.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mindlink.bc.ca In response to Laura Lemay:lemay@netcom.com who writes: >The books I'm read seem to imply that hybrid tea roses should NOT be >planted in containers; that they need large amounts of root space. >They suggest planting bush or miniature roses in containers instead. >I've got severe hybrid-tea lust, and I don't have the space or the >permission to plant them in the ground (rental house). Has anyone >successfully grown hybrid teas in half-barrels, which would allow them >at least some amount of root space (and allow me to take them with me >when I move? I wouldn't try anything smaller than a half-barrel, but yes, you can successfully grow a hybrid tea rose in that amount of room as long as the soil is really good. The problem I had with it (and lost a beautiful rose because of) was temperature. If you are living in an area where the temperature gets below freezing it is pretty easy for the roots, unprotected as they are, to freeze and die. So, the basic problem isn't room but temperature and root protection. >Another question -- this house does have one hybrid tea that has been >horribly pruned over the years such that most of the bush is on 5-6 >sucker canes of about 4 foot each, which then branch out at the tops >into a mess of thin sickly branches. All of the main canes have died >except one, which has several straggly branches growing about three >foot up. The bush is very top-heavy, with few leaves and even fewer >blossoms last year. Its sad. >Can roses recover from a severe pruning? If I cut down the canes to 2 >feet or so, will they sprout again? There are no leaves on the lower >2 feet; it looks like if I cut it back it would just die. Roses can definitely recover from a severe pruning. Taking it down to 2 feet shouldn't be a problem. I would check with gardeners in your area to find out what is the correct time of year for you to be doing this though. There are lots of rose books out that feature really good drawings of just how to prune so you shouldn't have any difficulty finding one. Just as a caution, if the rose is looking "sickly" I wouldn't necessarily put it all down to bad pruning. You might want to consider some of the other variables like soil quality, amount of light, etc. Good luck! Moira Carlson -- *********** From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 Thu Jan 13 09:31:14 EST 1994 Article: 24959 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 From: Moira_Carlson@mindlink.bc.ca (Moira Carlson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Moving Blueberries Date: 4 Jan 94 06:03:13 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-ID: <35734@mindlink.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mindlink.bc.ca In response to Jay Lawlor: jlawlor@ptdi12.intel.com who writes: >I have a couple blueberry bushes that I'd like to move to a different >spot in my yard. I planted them less than 2 years ago so they aren't >very big yet. >I'm wondering if it's ok to move them and, if so, what's the best time >to do it. My location is the Pacific Northwest so the ground is >usually wet but not often frozen in the winter. >Also if I do move them should I work fertilizer, etc. into the soil at >the new location or wait until spring? I use an organic fertilizer on >them which I believe should be rather slow release by nature. >Any suggestions appreciated. This sounds very familiar. I moved my blueberry bushes last year because I realized that I had planted them too close together and in an area where they didn't really get enough sunlight. I moved mine in the spring and around here I would definitely advise moving them in the spring or the fall but NOT in the winter. Our ground doesn't freeze up either, but I don't trust the winter weather. Its too changeable. Tonight it is warm and rainy but that doesn't mean we can't have two weeks of cold and snow starting the the day after tomorrow. So, I would turn it around. Prepare the soil now by working in some good organic stuff that is on the acidic side(compost, peat moss, sawdust etc.) which can start rotting, and then wait until spring to dig up and replant the bushes. Blueberries like an acid soil with good moisture retention so a mulch around them is a big help. I use my grass clippings and I see a lot of the commercial folk around here mulch their bushes with sawdust (any kind except cedar). After you plant the bushes is a good time to prune out any damaged branches and to prune back the whole bush by about one third. I would be a little careful about applying fertilizer. You will want it to be an acidic fertilizer and it should be applied beyond the root zone and never at the base of the plant. Good luck! Moira Carlson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius Thu Jan 13 09:31:15 EST 1994 Article: 24960 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius From: Bob Klebba Subject: Re: Dividing Daylilies... Message-ID: <1994Jan3.173315.25919@nicmad.uucp> Sender: usenet@nicmad.uucp Nntp-Posting-Host: mac1_30 Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corporation X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1 References: <2ftbfi$a7f@engage.sps.mot.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 17:33:15 GMT Lines: 19 In article <2ftbfi$a7f@engage.sps.mot.com> Farooq Butt, fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com writes: >I have some daylilies which still have some green growth on em. Other >than that, they seem fast asleep. Is it safe to divide them now ? I don't have to tell you that gardening in Austin is different from gardening in Madison, WI, but I will share my general transplanting rule: transplant before the plant starts growing. If you transplant when the plant is going dormant, you risk the plant's rotting during its period of inactivity. Some daylilies are evergreen and won't lose their leaves. Bob Klebba Madison, Wisconsin, USDA zone 4 Inet: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu "Submit to Barney" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!af017 Thu Jan 13 09:31:16 EST 1994 Article: 24961 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!af017 From: af017@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (David R. Smith) Subject: Re: Landscaping with dogs? Message-ID: Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca Organization: The National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 07:24:13 GMT Lines: 8 Please don't landscape with your dogs! They won't like being stuck in a hole somewhere and then watered regularly. They are more active creatures, generally and could be attached to a long vine (not too tight) to keep them from straying. David Smith From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!ucs.orst.edu!davisd Thu Jan 13 09:31:16 EST 1994 Article: 24962 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!ucs.orst.edu!davisd From: davisd@ucs.orst.edu (David M. Davis - Public Safety) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Help with Kiwis Date: 4 Jan 1994 07:30:26 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - OSU Lines: 7 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2gb5ui$orn@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d5900.orst.edu Summary: How do I Prune them.. One of the people where I work has two healthy, intrusive Kiwis in her back yard. Any info especially pruning tips appreciated. Send mail to: davisd@ucs.orst.edu attn: Nancy From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn Thu Jan 13 09:31:17 EST 1994 Article: 24963 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn From: nickn@sempco.UUCP (Nick Notestine) Message-ID: Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Stopping rabbits? References: <931230.85907.TELEM@delphi.com> Date: 4 Jan 94 01:00:22 CDT Organization: Sim's Electronic Musicians' Publishing Company Lines: 7 You may wish to place cut slivers of bar soap or mothballs always work but it's not the best. Nick Notestine Nick Notestine, please address E-Mail as follows, from INTERNET: sempco!nickn@wupost.wustl.edu UUCP: wupost.wustl.edu!sempco!nickn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn Thu Jan 13 09:31:18 EST 1994 Article: 24964 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn From: nickn@sempco.UUCP (Nick Notestine) Message-ID: Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: seed Date: 4 Jan 94 01:08:29 CDT Organization: Sim's Electronic Musicians' Publishing Company Lines: 8 Does Anyone know where to get seed for the herb DAMAINA ? If so please leave an adress or something thanx Nick Notestine Nick Notestine, please address E-Mail as follows, from INTERNET: sempco!nickn@wupost.wustl.edu UUCP: wupost.wustl.edu!sempco!nickn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes Thu Jan 13 09:31:18 EST 1994 Article: 24965 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes From: hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) Subject: Garden sprinkler system Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 18:44:57 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbs114.boi.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 15 This spring, I'm going to be putting in a 4- or 6-zone sprinkler system for two widely separated (~175' or more) garden areas. Any recommendations on controllers to get/avoid? Particular types or grades of PVC pipe? Also: The hardware person I spoke with suggested that since I was growing corn in some sections I might want to flood-irrigate those and run sprinklers on the rest - but since I may want to rotate crops, I don't want to be locked into one configuration. Any suggestions? Thx, Gary Hypes From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes Thu Jan 13 09:31:19 EST 1994 Article: 24966 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes From: hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) Subject: Garden Delight Seed Co.??? Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 23:11:43 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbs114.boi.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 17 Inquiring about some seeds, I was referred to the following company: Garden Delight Seed Co. P.O. Box 55316 Madison, WI 53705 However, there is no phone listing for them... they don't have an 800 listing... the phone operators don't even see an indication that they have an unlisted number... so I'm very confused. Anyone out there know of this company? Have a phone number? Could I have gotten the wrong city/state? I know I can write them and see if I get a response, but I'd rather talk to them on the phone first... Thanks, Gary Hypes From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!boulder!gurka Thu Jan 13 09:31:20 EST 1994 Article: 24967 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!boulder!gurka From: gurka@tigger.cs.colorado.edu (Judy Gurka) Subject: pollinating flowering maple? Message-ID: Sender: gurka@cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:01:54 GMT Lines: 27 Well, my indoor success this winter is getting my flowering maple to actually flower. Now I'm wondering how easy (or not) it is to produce some seeds. In looking at the flowers, I can't identify ... (er, just a minute while I look up the correct terms ...) the pistil - the interior of the flower seems to be one big spray of stamens only. I've tried shaking, as well as (gentle) crushing of this entire structure, hoping to mix pollen around. Those little gnats/whiteflies/ whatever haven't helped either (although the yellow sticky strips work indoors)! Ideas? Hints? I seem to be down to the last two flowers of this cycle. By the way, a detailed, informative book (found at the used book store for $5): "Living with Plants - a [Gardener's*] Guide to Practical Botany" by Donna N. Schumann 1980, Mad River Press Inc. (?!) ISBN 0-916422-20-8 (* "Gardener's" appears on the title page, but not the cover) It "... is intended for non-professional readers ... and no previous background in botany, agriculture, or horticulture is assumed." Thanks, Judy Gurka gurka@cs.colorado.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!sernews!chandler.austin.ibm.com!bc Thu Jan 13 09:31:21 EST 1994 Article: 24968 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!sernews!chandler.austin.ibm.com!bc From: bc@chandler.austin.ibm.com () Subject: azaleas sunlight requirements Sender: news@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:25:40 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: chandler.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 Lines: 17 I live in zone 8 and I was wondering how many hours of direct sunlight per day is optimal for Azaleas(say Southern Indica). During what season is sunlight needed most for good blooming? Also, which Rhododendrons are the most heat and sun tolerant? Are P.J.M. and Jean Marie de Montague(sp?) heat and sun tolerant enough to try in a hot zone 8? (I realize that I am not in a good area to grow Rhododendrons.) Last, I am making a raised bed for Azaleas and Rhododendrons. Any recommendations for the soil mixture, I am starting from scratch? (how much peat moss, pine bark, etc.) Thank you. -- **************************************************************** Bill Chandler Internet: chandler@austin.ibm.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!sernews!chandler.austin.ibm.com!bc Thu Jan 13 09:31:22 EST 1994 Article: 24969 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!sernews!chandler.austin.ibm.com!bc From: bc@chandler.austin.ibm.com () Subject: Purchasing roses Sender: news@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:32:40 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: chandler.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 Lines: 15 I live in Austin, Texas. Zone 8. I want to plant some roses this spring. I've heard good things about Mr. Lincoln and David Austin roses. I went to the local nursery and you can purchase #1 Mr. Lincoln bare root roses for about $6. A couple mail-order sources charge about $10 + shipping for Mr. Lincoln and more ($12-18) for David Austin. Are the mail order roses generally superior, or would I be paying more because they have a greater selection? If I buy from the nursery, are bare-root or container roses preferred? -- Bill Chandler Internet: chandler@austin.ibm.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!odin!escapade.corp.sgi.com!jschurz Thu Jan 13 09:31:22 EST 1994 Article: 24970 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!odin!escapade.corp.sgi.com!jschurz From: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) Subject: HOW TO PLANT A LEMON TREE Message-ID: Sender: jschurz@escapade.corp.sgi.com (Julie Schurz) Nntp-Posting-Host: escapade.corp.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 17:01:40 GMT Lines: 8 I got a Meyer's Lemon Tree for Christmas and would like to know when and how I should plant them. Currently, I have them sitting in the patio so they can get use to the temperature. But I'm afraid to plant them in the winter for fear they might go into shock and die. I live in the Pacific Northwest. TIA! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!thall Thu Jan 13 09:31:23 EST 1994 Article: 24971 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!thall From: thall@duke.atc.ll.mit.edu (Teresa Hall x0813 ) Subject: Re: Garden Delight Seed Co.??? In-Reply-To: hypes@boi.hp.com's message of Mon, 3 Jan 1994 23:11:43 GMT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@xn.ll.mit.edu Organization: /home2/moses/thall/.organization References: Date: 4 Jan 94 11:42:20 Lines: 13 In article hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes: > Inquiring about some seeds, I was referred to the following company: > Garden Delight Seed Co. > P.O. Box 55316 > Madison, WI 53705 I called the 800 information and they said there was a company called Garden Delight whose number is 1-800-588-5899. I don't know if it is the same place or not. T.Hall From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!odin!escapade.corp.sgi.com!jschurz Thu Jan 13 09:31:24 EST 1994 Article: 24972 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!odin!escapade.corp.sgi.com!jschurz From: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) Subject: HOW TO CARE FOR GARDENIA BUSH Message-ID: Sender: jschurz@escapade.corp.sgi.com (Julie Schurz) Nntp-Posting-Host: escapade.corp.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 17:05:51 GMT Lines: 7 I have been trying unsuccessfully for a year to plant a Gardenia bush in the backyard. They lasted for about a month before the flowers fall off and the bush would turn black and die. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I haven't over water or feed them. HELP!! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!icon.rose.hp.com!hpchase.rose.hp.com!johnkg Thu Jan 13 09:31:25 EST 1994 Article: 24973 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!icon.rose.hp.com!hpchase.rose.hp.com!johnkg From: johnkg@hprnd.rose.hp.com (John Gonsalves) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Recommend Seed Company Date: 4 Jan 1994 17:25:32 GMT Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site Lines: 9 Message-ID: <2gc8qc$5ut@hpchase.rose.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Please recommend a good seed company to me... I use Sheppards in Felton CA, but would like a couple of additional sources of good quality that you can personally recommend. I've got a listing of 100+ seed catalog companies from this news group already, but would like to narrow the search a bit. I'm currently only interested in vegetables seeds, preferably heirloom and open pollinated varieties... JohnKG From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!bilge!tching Thu Jan 13 09:31:26 EST 1994 Article: 24974 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!bilge!tching From: tching@bilge.water.ca.gov (Rice Cube) Subject: Re: Need help with oxalis Message-ID: <1994Jan4.173652.10371@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: Calif. Dept. of Water Resources References: <1994Jan03.202408.6884@sco.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 17:36:52 GMT Lines: 12 In article <1994Jan03.202408.6884@sco.com> rogerv@sco.COM () writes: >In our backyard lawn, we are getting lots of new oxalis. This is > >Any help is gratefully accepted. If you use a chemical, what is the name >of it, and when do you apply it? If you have any other suggestions, feel >-Roger I had unreal success (i.e. I have never seen such a good product) with Oxalis-X found at my local nursury. Add spray oil to mixture and spray your oxalis. Nasty stuff. Smells up the yard. Kills (makes it turn yellow) it in less than 5 minutes so you know it is working. -Tracy From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!barrnet.net!iserver.spacebbs.com!spacebbs!ted.jensen Thu Jan 13 09:31:27 EST 1994 Article: 24975 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Trimming Juniper / thanks From: ted.jensen@spacebbs.com (Ted Jensen) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!barrnet.net!iserver.spacebbs.com!spacebbs!ted.jensen Distribution: world Message-ID: <6.8882.1607.0NAE73E8@spacebbs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 10:20:00 -0800 Organization: Space BBS - 15 nodes - v.32bis - (415-323-4193) Lines: 17 Thanks to all who sent me answers to my post, both public and private. I probably should apologize and explain my multiple message posting. Actually, the BBS I use to access the newsgroup had a problem and messages were not getting out. Thus the 3 or more messages I posted were actually posted over a period of a couple of weeks or so. Then, the problem got fixed, the dam broke, and they all went out at once. Oh well.... that _did_ generate a mess of answers! Thanks again to all! Ted Jensen Redwood City, Calif. * SLMR 2.1a * From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!snowman!jts Thu Jan 13 09:31:29 EST 1994 Article: 24976 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!snowman!jts From: jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Stewart - Sun Minneapolis SE) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Advice on seed planting sought Date: 4 Jan 1994 19:05:03 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gcel0INNksq@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> Reply-To: jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: snowman.central.sun.com I've got some wildflower seeds that I plan to plant this coming spring. The seeds are Planis Correopsis, and are very tiny. So, when I plant them, I understand that I should put maybe 1/4" of soil over the top of them, if not less. My understanding is that you generally want to put soil over the top of seeds at the rate of about 3 times the width of the seed. But, my question is how one then applies mulch? After all, at least with shrubs, you try to put 2-3 inches of mulch around the shrub after planting. But, with very tiny seeds, you'd prevent the seed from sprouting if you covered the seeds with 2-3 inches of mulch. If you seed, do you wait until the plants are several inches tall and then apply a couple of inches of mulch? Or, do you mix in peat moss with the soil to preserve moisture and not apply any mulch after seeding? Thanks for your help. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.udel.edu!bach.udel.edu!jwilson Thu Jan 13 09:31:30 EST 1994 Article: 24977 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.udel.edu!bach.udel.edu!jwilson From: jwilson@bach.udel.edu (Jim Wilson) Subject: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.udel.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware References: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 19:51:11 GMT Lines: 50 In article bc@chandler.austin.ibm.com () writes: > >Also, which Rhododendrons are the most heat and sun tolerant? >Are P.J.M. and Jean Marie de Montague(sp?) heat and sun tolerant >enough to try in a hot zone 8? (I realize that I am not in a good >area to grow Rhododendrons.) > ... Probably your best advice on most of these would be from the nearest chapter of the American Rhododendron Society--there does seem to be a cluster of ARS members over around Houston. They would likely have some more comprehensive advice built on experience in the area. However, I can list here the selections made by Greer Gardens in their catalog. In general, filtered sunlight (dappled shade?) is best, with maybe some direct morning sun, but exact requirements vary widely with variety and climate. I find that places too shady for irises are great for rhododendrons, and places too sunny for rhododendrons are great for irises. Anyway: Sun Tolerant Rhododendrons Red: Aunt Martha, Cary Ann, Halfdan Lem, Jean Marie de Montague, Johnny Bender, Lord Roberts, Nova Zembla, Trilby, Vulcan's Flame Pink: Alice, Barto Alpine, Bravo!, Catawbiense Boursault, Cheer, Christmas Cheer, Graf Zeppelin, Gwen Bell, Hallelujah, Hardijzer's Beauty, Lady Clementine Mitford, Lydia, Mrs. Charles Pearson, Myrtifolium, Ria Hardizer, Rocket, Solidarity Blue/Purple: A. Bedford, Blue Diamond, Blue Peter, Crater Lake, Daphnoides, Fastuosum Flore Pleno, R. impeditum, R. litangense, PJM, Ramapo, Royal Purple Yellow/Orange/Peach: R. lutescens White: Belle Heller, Catawbiense Album, Chionoides, Cunningham's Blush, Cunningham's White, Dora Amateis, Gomer Waterer, Mrs. T.H. Lowinsky Heat Tolerant Rhododendrons Red: Jean Marie de Montague, Nova Zembla, Trilby, Vulcan's Flame Pink: Anna Rose Whitney, Bravo!, Catawbiense Boursault, Chapmanii Wonder, Cynthia, and the evergreen azaleas Hallelujah, Hardijzer's Beauty, Isabel Pierce, and Lady Clementine Mitford Blue/Purple: A. Bedford, Blue Peter, Daphnoides, Dorothy Amateis, Fatuosum Flore Pleno, Firewine, R. hippophaeoides, PJM, Purple Splendor Yellow/Orange/Peach: Autumn Gold, Broughtonii Aureum, and the deciduous azalea Old Copper White: Catawbiense Album, Chionoides, Cunningham's Blush, Cunningham's White, Dora Amateis, Gomer Waterer (My own PJMs have been more in the pink group than the blue/purple, but I would concede it to be a lavender pink.) Good luck! --Jim -- Jim Wilson, Instructional Technology Center, University of Delaware Newark, Delaware 19716 jwilson@brahms.udel.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!psinntp!gatekeeper.nsc.com!voder!berlioz.nsc.com!darkstar!mkocher Thu Jan 13 09:31:31 EST 1994 Article: 24978 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!psinntp!gatekeeper.nsc.com!voder!berlioz.nsc.com!darkstar!mkocher From: mkocher@berlioz.nsc.com (Mark Kocher) Subject: organic pest control for spider mites Message-ID: <1994Jan4.191620.3741@berlioz.nsc.com> Sender: mkocher@darkstar (Mark Kocher) Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 19:16:20 GMT Lines: 7 does anyone know of an organic remidy for spider mites? i've tried soapy water but it hasn't had much effect. thanks mark From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!csl.sri.com!unix.sri.com!od.sri.com!nat Thu Jan 13 09:31:32 EST 1994 Article: 24979 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!csl.sri.com!unix.sri.com!od.sri.com!nat From: nat@od.sri.com (Nathaniel Bletter) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Orchid Mail Order Companies Date: 4 Jan 1994 18:17:17 GMT Organization: Virtual Perception Lab., SRI International, USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gcbrd$em1@unix.sri.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: od.sri.com Does anyone know of any good mail order companies for orchids. I have the catalog for Oak Hill gardens, but I'd like to widen my selection. Also, are there any e-mailing lists for people interested in orchids? Thanks, Nat Bletter SRI International nat@od.sri.com (415) 859-4358 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!stepsun.uni-kl.de!sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de!erju33 Thu Jan 13 09:31:33 EST 1994 Article: 24980 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!stepsun.uni-kl.de!sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de!erju33 From: erju33@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Erik Jung [Physik]) Subject: Bamboo-there to obtain! Message-ID: <1994Jan4.194728.1747@rhrk.uni-kl.de> Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 19:47:28 GMT Lines: 75 Hi, folks! Thanks to all those, who answered! I compiled the following list out of the infomation I was given. I hope you4ll find this interesting. Here they go! 1. Seed Savers Exchange 3076 North Winn Road Decorah, IA 52101 USA Fax: 319-382-5872 4-colr brochure, send $1 2. Bamboo Sourcery 666 Wagnon Road Sebastopol, CA 95472 (707) 823-5866 3. Bamboo Gardens of Washington catalogue costs $3 5016 192nd Place NE, Redmond, WA, 98053-4602 4. Raintree Nursery 391 Butts Road Morton, WA 98356 (206) 496-6400 5. B & T ASSOCIATES Whitnell House Fiddington, Bridgwater Somerset TA5 1JE England, U,K, Tele: (278) 733-209 6. A BAMBOO SHOOT 1462 Darby Road Sebastopol, CA 95472 (CAT - $1.50 International Money Order) 7. A Bamboo Shoot Nursery 1426 Darby Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472 USA (707)823-0131 (CAT - $1US) 8. TRADEWINDS NURSERY P.O. Box 70 Calpella, CA 95418 (CAT - SASE) 9. Bamboo Sourcery 666 Wagnon Road Sebastopol, CA. 95472 707-823-5866 Catalog $2 10. Steve Ray's Bamboo Gardens 909 79th Place South Birmingham AL 35206 11. The Banana Tree 715 Northampton St Easton PA 18042 catalog $3 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov!user Thu Jan 13 09:31:34 EST 1994 Article: 24981 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov!user From: cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Marty Zimmerman) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: green manure question Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: Tue, 04 Jan 1994 15:21:15 -0600 Organization: NASA Lewis R. C. (Analex) Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov I'm thinking about planting green manure seeds in my summer beds this spring and then tilling them under in late May/early June. Will this work, or should green manure crops be planted in the fall? If it will work, what would be good crops to plant (i.e. annual rye, clover, alfalfa, oats, all of the above)? Thanks in advance, Marty _____________________________________________________________________________ Marty Zimmerman cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov Analex Corp. - NASA Lewis Research Center Cleveland, Ohio USA Zone 6 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u14371 Thu Jan 13 09:31:35 EST 1994 Article: 24982 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u14371 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 14:04:41 CST From: Message-ID: <94004.140441U14371@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Heliotrope standards References: <2gaede$d7k@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Lines: 17 In article <2gaede$d7k@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) says: > >I just opened my White Flower Farm Spring 94 catalog and on the back of >the cover are some 'unusual' standards, one of which being Heliotropium >arborescens. I've never seen this before, and MUST have one. However the >price is $70 for a four foot 'immature' standard. Before I call them to >.... >Heliotrope lover, >Kelly >kelly@cco.caltech.edu Well Kelly, I can't help you. In fact I am interested in finding out more about heliotrope, such as where can I get it and what a good source is? Is White Flower Farm a good source (you sound as if it might be)? Thanks, Hans Goeckner zone 5/6 (near Chicago and Lake MI) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!quack!pharvey Thu Jan 13 09:31:36 EST 1994 Article: 24983 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!quack!pharvey From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Key Lime Tree Message-ID: Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. References: <2g6okp$5fs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 4 Jan 1994 21:36:33 UTC Lines: 21 In article <2g6okp$5fs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dy267@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jimmy Lew) writes: >I would appreciate any info on where in the US I can obtain seeds >of seedling for Key Limes. I live in California and have found >nothing. Go to a store, like Safeway, and buy key or Mexican or bartender's limes - they are all the same, small and round. These true limes are a bit harder to find now because the huricane that hit Florida knocked out a lot of production. There are other limes that are actually lemons or crosses. Key lime is its own species [maybe/maybe not] and as luck would have it, most seed in the fruit is fertile and will come relatively true to the parent. There is a spineless cultivar of key lime, most seedlings will be spined. One other note, the Citrus industry is vital to the economy of the state so certain precautions are advised. It is illegal to move citrus plants from socal north of the Tehachapis in order to protect San Joaquin citrus from a virus that is rampant in socal. If you live in socal, you should be able to find just about any citrus in the world, start with the Ortho Guide to Citrus as a reference of names, etc. If you live in norcal, Four Winds in Fremont probably has it or can get it for you. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Thu Jan 13 09:31:37 EST 1994 Article: 24984 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: HOW TO CARE FOR GARDENIA BUSH Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 22:33:53 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu In article news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) writes: >From: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) >Subject: HOW TO CARE FOR GARDENIA BUSH >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 17:05:51 GMT >I have been trying unsuccessfully for a year to plant a Gardenia bush in >the backyard. They lasted for about a month before the flowers fall off >and the bush would turn black and die. >I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I haven't over water or feed them. >HELP!! Where are you located? What's your soil pH? Gardenias are pretty fussy about temperature and pH. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:31:37 EST 1994 Article: 24985 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: HOW TO PLANT A LEMON TREE Message-ID: <2gck1q$8at@eis.calstate.edu> From: bmoon@eis.calstate.edu (Bruce A. Moon) Date: 4 Jan 1994 12:37:14 -0800 References: Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services NNTP-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Lines: 17 Hmmmm....Pacific Northwest? In the Banana belt? You might want to keep it in a container. Meyer is hardier than some citrus, but no citrus can survive extended time at temperatures below 20F; I'd say Meyer is good for 24F. It would be nice to be able to take it in when you get Arctic blasts. Whether in a container or in the ground, plant in a warm spot. South -facing wall is best; west facing is good. Troughs collect cold air, so plant at the top of slopes. Sprinklers at 5gpm can be used to raise temperature on cold nights; so can single 75 watt bulbs or Christmas light strings. If you have a pond, a space near it may be good since the water serves as a heat sink. Bare ground is warmer than organic material. If you think you have a good spot for putting it in the ground, the actual planting hole should put the stem above standing water; citrus are very susceptible to rot. A spot with the edges sloping down around the tree would be good. -- Bruce Moon Rio Linda, CA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Thu Jan 13 09:31:39 EST 1994 Article: 24986 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Advice on seed planting sought Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 22:46:42 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 38 Distribution: usa Message-ID: References: <2gcel0INNksq@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu In article <2gcel0INNksq@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Stewart - Sun Minneapolis SE) writes: >From: jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Stewart - Sun Minneapolis SE) >Subject: Advice on seed planting sought >Date: 4 Jan 1994 19:05:03 GMT >I've got some wildflower seeds that I plan to plant this coming spring. The >seeds are Planis Correopsis, and are very tiny. So, when I plant them, I >understand that I should put maybe 1/4" of soil over the top of them, if not >less. My understanding is that you generally want to put soil over the top >of seeds at the rate of about 3 times the width of the seed. >But, my question is how one then applies mulch? After all, at least with >shrubs, you try to put 2-3 inches of mulch around the shrub after planting. >But, with very tiny seeds, you'd prevent the seed from sprouting if you covered >the seeds with 2-3 inches of mulch. >If you seed, do you wait until the plants are several inches tall and then >apply a couple of inches of mulch? Or, do you mix in peat moss with the soil >to preserve moisture and not apply any mulch after seeding? >Thanks for your help. Wildflowers are pretty tough and don't really need special coddling in the form of mulches. Mix fine seed with fine sand or vermiculite to help in sowing evenly. Loosen the surface of the soil with a rake, sow your seeds, then gently firm the soil to ensure good seed-soil contact. Keep evenly moist (light daily watering may be necessary if you're not getting enough rain) until plants are established and can start drawing moisture from deeper in the soil. Plains coreopsis is a wonderful plant in massed plantings. With a little early help, it will bloom in 4-5 weeks from seed. Unless your soil is hopeless - sour, rockhard and not even growing weeds - you probably don't need to add anything to it. If you want to add peat moss, mix it in before you sow your seed, it will help keep the seedbed moister. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Thu Jan 13 09:31:40 EST 1994 Article: 24987 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: organic pest control for spider mites Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 22:50:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1994Jan4.191620.3741@berlioz.nsc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu In article <1994Jan4.191620.3741@berlioz.nsc.com> mkocher@berlioz.nsc.com (Mark Kocher) writes: >From: mkocher@berlioz.nsc.com (Mark Kocher) >Subject: organic pest control for spider mites >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 19:16:20 GMT >does anyone know of an organic remidy for spider mites? i've tried >soapy water but it hasn't had much effect. >thanks >mark Soapy water should work. Make sure you are using a dish washing liquid and washing the plant thoroughly. A longer-term and totally harmless solution is to raise the humidity around your plants. Dry air favors spider mite reproduction. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen Thu Jan 13 09:31:41 EST 1994 Article: 24988 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) Subject: Re: Roses in half-barrels & severe pruning Message-ID: <1994Jan4.231707.28051@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@casbs.Stanford.EDU (CASBS News Service) Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences References: <2g9tqk$qp8@news.bu.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 23:17:07 GMT Lines: 43 In article lemay@netcom.com (Killer of Trees) writes: >I've got severe hybrid-tea lust, and I don't have the space or the >permission to plant them in the ground (rental house). Has anyone >successfully grown hybrid teas in half-barrels, which would allow them >at least some amount of root space (and allow me to take them with me >when I move? I haven't, but a friend of mine in Houston has had great success. She is careful to watch for dry soil in very hot weather and to put the barrels where they are not in full sun in the afternoon. Mulch with a couple of inches of something like fir bark or rotted leaves to keep the soil cooler. Many people in CA seem to plant hybrid teas in barrels, but of course the plants aren't as pretty as shrub roses. You could try hybrid tea standards (tree roses), which look fine in containers. >Another question -- this house does have one hybrid tea that has been >horribly pruned over the years such that most of the bush is on 5-6 >sucker canes of about 4 foot each, which then branch out at the tops >into a mess of thin sickly branches. All of the main canes have died >except one, which has several straggly branches growing about three >foot up. The bush is very top-heavy, with few leaves and even fewer >blossoms last year. Its sad. > >Can roses recover from a severe pruning? If I cut down the canes to 2 >feet or so, will they sprout again? There are no leaves on the lower >2 feet; it looks like if I cut it back it would just die. Unless you like the rootstock (the suckers), cut them off below ground level. Then when the rose is dormant (in a couple of weeks if you're in a warm climate; later if you're farther north--check with your local rose society), cut the dead canes out completely and the remaining ones back to about 2 feet long, with a slanting cut above an outward-facing bud scar. Cut out any weak and spindly growth. You may end up with only one cane. That's not desirable, but it is worth a try. If it has a number of buds on it, several of them will probably put out new branches. Right now, the suckers are taking all the nourishment away from the grafted stock. If they aren't from a type of rose you like, get rid of them entirely. Usually the rootstock is something hardy but not decorative. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen Much, Editor |E-mail: kathleen@casbs.stanford.EDU CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |Phone: (415) 321-2052 Stanford, CA 94305 |Fax: (415) 321-1192 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen Thu Jan 13 09:31:43 EST 1994 Article: 24989 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) Subject: Re: Purchasing roses Message-ID: <1994Jan4.233302.28347@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@casbs.Stanford.EDU (CASBS News Service) Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences References: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 23:33:02 GMT Lines: 35 In article bc@chandler.austin.ibm.com () writes: >I live in Austin, Texas. Zone 8. >I want to plant some roses this spring. I've heard good things >about Mr. Lincoln and David Austin roses. I went to the local >nursery and you can purchase #1 Mr. Lincoln bare root roses for about $6. A couple mail-order sources charge about $10 + >shipping for Mr. Lincoln and more ($12-18) for David Austin. > >Are the mail order roses generally superior, or would I be paying >more because they have a greater selection? The latter. Most of the nursery roses are grown by the same companies (like Jackson & Perkins) that you would be ordering from. One advantage to buying locally is that you can choose healthy, well-formed plants. If you want David Austins, get the catalog from Heirloom in Oregon (503) 538-1576. They have the largest selection in this country that I have found. Most are $9.95 plus shipping. They ship most DAs in little pots on own-root stock--they look puny, but mine have done beautifully. Watch out for grafted DAs, as some of them have virus and will decline quickly. Own-root plants seem to be more resistant. >If I buy from the nursery, are bare-root or container roses >preferred? Depends on the time of year. Right now, they are the same! The nursery gets them bare-root from the wholesaler and sells them to its retail customers while the roses are dormant. When the weather warms up and the roses look like they are about to sprout leaves, the nursery will pot up the leftovers and sell them as container roses at twice the price of bare-root. For economy, buy bare-root plants now and get them in the ground. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen Much, Editor |E-mail: kathleen@casbs.stanford.EDU CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |Phone: (415) 321-2052 Stanford, CA 94305 |Fax: (415) 321-1192 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen Thu Jan 13 09:31:43 EST 1994 Article: 24990 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) Subject: Re: HOW TO CARE FOR GARDENIA BUSH Message-ID: <1994Jan4.233532.28450@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@casbs.Stanford.EDU (CASBS News Service) Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences References: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 23:35:32 GMT Lines: 15 In article news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) writes: >I have been trying unsuccessfully for a year to plant a Gardenia bush in >the backyard. They lasted for about a month before the flowers fall off >and the bush would turn black and die. Sounds like you have whitefly. The insects exude a nectar that attracts mildew (the black stuff). Next time you try gardenias, be sure the soil is acid and well drained. Then spray regularly with Safer Soap or some other whitefly repellant. Good luck. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen Much, Editor |E-mail: kathleen@casbs.stanford.EDU CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |Phone: (415) 321-2052 Stanford, CA 94305 |Fax: (415) 321-1192 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!ahill Thu Jan 13 09:31:44 EST 1994 Article: 24991 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!ahill From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill) Subject: Re: Roses in half-barrels & severe pruning Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 23:38:30 GMT References: <2g9tqk$qp8@news.bu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbsl202.boi.hp.com Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave Lines: 25 In article , Killer of Trees wrote: >Another question -- this house does have one hybrid tea that has been >horribly pruned over the years such that most of the bush is on 5-6 >sucker canes of about 4 foot each, which then branch out at the tops >into a mess of thin sickly branches. All of the main canes have died >except one, which has several straggly branches growing about three >foot up. The bush is very top-heavy, with few leaves and even fewer >blossoms last year. Its sad. > >Can roses recover from a severe pruning? If I cut down the canes to 2 >feet or so, will they sprout again? There are no leaves on the lower >2 feet; it looks like if I cut it back it would just die. > Most roses do quite well with severe pruning, assuming that they're dormant. I usually chop mine back to 2 feet or less every January. One thing to check is where the canes are coming from - if this is a grafted rose (typically the case, anymore), and the canes are coming from the rootstock, they probably won't have any decent flowers. If all the grafted canes are dead, you might as well rip up the rose and replant. -- Andy Hill ahill@boi.hp.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!ahill Thu Jan 13 09:31:45 EST 1994 Article: 24992 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!ahill From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill) Subject: Re: Adding organic matter to established lawns Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 00:16:58 GMT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbsl202.boi.hp.com Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave Lines: 20 In article , Jeff West wrote: >I just moved into a new house this year, therefore the lot was stripped and >grass seeded directly onto the top of the good 'ol Georgia clay. How can I >improve the soil without digging up the lawn (fescue)? I have seen golf >courses spread sand on top of the greens. Can I do this? If so how much, >what kind, what time of year, and how do I incorporate it? Should I try to >add any organic matter also? > I'd add the organic matter instead of sand. However, it's going to be a number of years before you get the soil up to snuff (adding a top dressing to existing lawn is a good maintenance procedure, but an awful slow way of improving bad soil). Top dressing is normally done using sifted compost or sawdust (a 1/4" to 1/2" screen works pretty good). Just shovel it onto the lawn (a 1/4" or 1/2" layer), then rake it in. Are you sure you don't want to till in a decent amount of compost (and the existing fescue) now? It'll give you a decent lawn now, instead of in five or ten years. -- Andy Hill ahill@boi.hp.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!southpower.co.nz!ccc.govt.nz!andrew Thu Jan 13 09:31:46 EST 1994 Article: 24993 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!southpower.co.nz!ccc.govt.nz!andrew Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Organic options for lawn care Message-ID: <1994Jan5.133659.2174@ccc.govt.nz> From: andrew@ccc.govt.nz (Andrew Groom) Date: 5 Jan 94 13:36:59 NZDT Organization: Christchurch City Council, New Zealand. Lines: 23 Hi gardeners, I'm looking for organic options for the following: 1. Controlling grass grubs in lawns 2. Killing broadleaf weeds ( e.g., dandelions ) in lawns 3. Good lawn fertilizer/nutrient There are plenty of non-organic options available, but I'd like to be kind to the environment if possible. Any ideas ??? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Andrew. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Groom Phone: (03) 3711 862 GIS Business analyst, MIS Fax: (03) 3711 789 Christchurch City Council Email: andrew@ccc.govt.nz P.O. Box 237, Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!yale!gumby!wmichgw!x92ochs1 Thu Jan 13 09:31:47 EST 1994 Article: 24994 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!yale!gumby!wmichgw!x92ochs1 From: x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: More on Weeping Willows and other trees Message-ID: <1994Jan4.200035.13752@gw.wmich.edu> Date: 4 Jan 94 20:00:35 EST Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 32 Here is a followup to the thread on Weeping Willows. I went to Florida over the holidays and observed the following things: Some Weeping Willows had yellow leaves in Soutern Tenn. In Ga, many had lots of leaves. In Fla, most had green, scraggly leaves. There were willows in the ditches in Ga with some yellow leaves. In Ga, Sweetgums and Black Cherries had colorful fall-like leaves. Going through Southern Ga and Fla this Christmas was like going through MI around Halloween. In Clearwater Fla, some deciduous oaks had red leaves, sweetgums were in fall colors, red maples had fall colors, some were half bare, with flowers, and some had seeds.(Spring and Fall apparently overlap there!) Some pine trees were developing new growths. In Fla and S Ga, deciduous trees apparently have a hard time losing their leaves in mild weather(It was mild enough here in MI this fall that many forsythia bushes kept some leaves and some even had some stunted flowers blooming.) Recent frost in Ga and Florida will probably help trees lose their leaves. I made an interesting observation here at WMU. There are several Sweetbay Magnolia bushes here. They have some green leaves left on them, but are mostly bare. In the South, where these trees grow, they are evergreen. In such a cold climate as Michigan, these trees, with there 10 or 20 green leaves left on them, look like they are trying hard, but not succeeding to be evergreen. Jeff From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 Thu Jan 13 09:31:48 EST 1994 Article: 24995 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 From: Moira_Carlson@mindlink.bc.ca (Moira Carlson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Parsnip-rooted Chervil Date: 5 Jan 94 01:20:14 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <35793@mindlink.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mindlink.bc.ca I have found several sources that mention a vegetable called "Parsnip-rooted Chervil" or "Turnip-rooted Chervil" (Chaerophyllum tuberosum). Apparently it has a leaf similar to salad Chervil (Anthriscus cerefolium), but is a Biennial. It has a fleshy taproot that looks sort of like a carrot and can be used in a similar fashion. Is anyone familiar with this vegetable? Have you grown it? Have you tasted it? Do you know where I might be able to find seed for it? If you can answer any or all of these questions I would much appreciate it. Thanks, Moira Carlson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc4!kagay Thu Jan 13 09:31:49 EST 1994 Article: 24996 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc4!kagay Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Orchid Mail Order Companies Message-ID: From: kagay@husc4.harvard.edu (christopher kagay) Date: 5 Jan 94 00:47:34 GMT References: <2gcbrd$em1@unix.sri.com> Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts NNTP-Posting-Host: husc4.harvard.edu Lines: 14 nat@od.sri.com (Nathaniel Bletter) writes: >Also, are there any e-mailing lists for people interested in orchids? I'm also interested in finding out about an e-mailing list. If enough people are interested we might also think about starting a new newsgroup focused on orchids; if Harvard has an orchid library the net definitely has bandwidth for alt.orchids. (I assume no such newsgroup exists -- we don't get it here -- if it does, please speak up). Chris Kagay kagay@husc.harvard.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!frodo!mark Thu Jan 13 09:31:50 EST 1994 Article: 24997 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!frodo!mark From: mark@frodo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Elliott - SunConnect SE - L.A.) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: HOW TO CARE FOR GARDENIA BUSH Date: 5 Jan 1994 01:56:37 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gd6ol$oph@newscast.West.Sun.COM> References: Reply-To: mark@frodo.West.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: frodo.west.sun.com In article 3v5@odin.corp.sgi.com, news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) writes: -|I have been trying unsuccessfully for a year to plant a Gardenia bush in -|the backyard. They lasted for about a month before the flowers fall off -|and the bush would turn black and die. -| -|I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I haven't over water or feed them. -| -|HELP!! In my novice hands, gardenias have proven to be very fickle indeed. I had to move my gardenia three times to get it to grow and flower. Even then, the flower buds will turn black and fall off for no apparent reason although the rest of the plant is thriving. I believe the bud drops is due to temperature/humidity, but I am not sure. Maybe someone on the net could enlighten the both of us. One thing I do know is that it is an acid loving plant (ala Camellias) so you definitely want to verify the soil is appropriately prepared. This time of the year my two gardenias get a nice mulch of ex-Xmas trees (pine needles are acidic) and this seems to give them a flying start in spring. Hope this helps, Mark From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!msuinfo!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult Thu Jan 13 09:31:51 EST 1994 Article: 24998 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!msuinfo!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult From: jmcnult@orion.it.luc.edu (John A. Mcnulty) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: pollinating flowering maple? Date: 5 Jan 1994 02:13:27 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 17 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2gd7o7$299@apollo.it.luc.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.it.luc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : By the way, a detailed, informative book (found at the used book store : for $5): : "Living with Plants - a [Gardener's*] Guide to Practical Botany" : by Donna N. Schumann : 1980, Mad River Press Inc. (?!) : ISBN 0-916422-20-8 : (* "Gardener's" appears on the title page, but not the cover) : It "... is intended for non-professional readers ... and no previous : background in botany, agriculture, or horticulture is assumed." Donna Schumann is an officer of the National Council of Garden Clubs and her book is required reading for garden club ladies (read "no previous background..."). As a garden club lady with a Ph.D. in biology (but I'm a herpetologist, not a botanist) I found it to be a pretty good book. I think she has a new edition out now. Patty From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet Thu Jan 13 09:31:52 EST 1994 Article: 24999 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: TELEM@delphi.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: HIBISCUS "QUEEN OF THE TROPICS" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 21:24:19 EST Organization: Delphi Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <940104.77059.TELEM@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: delphi.com THOUSANDS OF COLORS AND COMBINATIONS OF COLORS - NO TRUE BLUE OR BLACK. SOME VARIETIES W/ 3" AND SOME W/ 10 " FLOWERS. SOME BUSHES GROW TO ONLY 3-5 FT AND SOME VARIETIES GO TO 10 OR 15 FT IF UN- DISTURBED IN GROUND. SOME BLOOM ALMOST EVERY DAY. SINGLES, DOUBLES, THE NUMBER OF VARIANTS IN THE ROSA-SINENSIS FAMILY IS ASTOUNDING! IF IN AREAS W/ FROST, KEEP IN POTS AND BRING INSIDE. TO JOIN THE AMERICAN HIBISCUS SOCIETY (A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION) SEND US$17.50 FOR A YEAR'S MEMBERSHIP AND GET THE QUARTERLY "THE SEED POD." VISA AND MASTERCARD ALL RIGHT.SEND TO "AHS" P.O. BOX 12073 ST. PETERSBURG, FL 33733-2073. 1ST CLASS MAIL IS MORE. INCLUDE EMAIL ADDRESS. SOME GROWERS SHIP OVERSEAS. SEEDS ARE SOMETIMES AVAILABLE. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utah-morgan!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:31:53 EST 1994 Article: 25000 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utah-morgan!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: mbm1949@u.cc.utah.edu (Michael Miles) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Shrub trimming Date: 4 Jan 1994 18:59:24 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gd6ts$i0u@u.cc.utah.edu> References: <6.8762.1607.0NAE7232@spacebbs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u.cc.utah.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Ted Jensen (ted.jensen@spacebbs.com) wrote: : Not being certain my last message got out, I'll try : again. What is the best time for trimming juniper : bushes? : Thanks in advance! : Ted Jensen Ted, I have read that you can prune evergreens at any time of the year. However, pruning as the new growth appears would make the best sense. At this point you could (on smaller ones) pinch off the buds or candles. Mike Miles From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utah-morgan!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:31:54 EST 1994 Article: 25001 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utah-morgan!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: mbm1949@u.cc.utah.edu (Michael Miles) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Trimming Junipers Date: 4 Jan 1994 19:07:57 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gd7dt$igi@u.cc.utah.edu> References: <6.8776.1607.0NAE7280@spacebbs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u.cc.utah.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Ted Jensen (ted.jensen@spacebbs.com) wrote: : I have several juniper bushes which are too large by : far and would like to do some severe pruning. What : would be the best time of year for this? : Ted Jensen : Redwood City, Calif Ted, With size as an additional factor, now I'm not so sure. Depends, many junipers have lots of dead, unproductive undergrowth. Most green stuff is on the outside. In my experience, if you cut off too much too fast, you take the risk of killing the plant and if you don't, it will look ugly as hell. I've read that you should never cut more than 1/3 growth at a time. I hate to say this but when I had a similar problem with an old juniper that looked pretty bad, I cut it down and planted a small pretty one. If you have the large tree type juniper then cut selected branches, thinning with very little topping. Mike Miles From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!rhalgren Thu Jan 13 09:31:55 EST 1994 Article: 25002 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!rhalgren From: rhalgren@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Halgren) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Orchid Mail Order Companies Date: 5 Jan 1994 03:44:11 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2gdd2b$l9i@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2gcbrd$em1@unix.sri.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu In article , christopher kagay wrote: >nat@od.sri.com (Nathaniel Bletter) writes: > >>Also, are there any e-mailing lists for people interested in orchids? > >I'm also interested in finding out about an e-mailing list. Mail to MAILSERV@SCUACC.SCU.EDU the following message and no more: SUBSCRIBE ORCHIDS It used to be a mailing list, now it is in digest form. Either way it is pretty useful/interesting. > >If enough people are interested we might also think about starting a >new newsgroup focused on orchids; if Harvard has an orchid library the >net definitely has bandwidth for alt.orchids. (I assume no such >newsgroup exists -- we don't get it here -- if it does, please speak >up). I second the motion. Someone who knows about such things should initiate the formal proceedings. Many people on the Orchid mailing list have also rumbled about forming a newsgroup. I am sure there would be enough traffic. Heck, I can generate enough traffic on my own, just try me.... See you on the orchids list Rob From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!s850.mwc.edu!s850.mwc.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:31:55 EST 1994 Article: 25003 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!s850.mwc.edu!s850.mwc.edu!not-for-mail From: ernie@s850.mwc.edu (ernest ackermann) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: comfrey roots Date: 4 Jan 1994 23:16:44 -0500 Organization: Mary Washington College, CPSC Dept. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2gdevcINNrbb@s850.mwc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: s850.mwc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] I'd appreciate knowing a source for comfrey roots so I may grow some plants here, Fredericksburg VA, in the spring. Thanks -- ernie@s850.mwc.edu uunet!s850!ernie Ernest C. Ackermann Department of Computer Science Mary Washington College Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5358 703 - 899 - 4031 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!decwrl!netcomsv!ntg!dplatt Thu Jan 13 09:31:56 EST 1994 Article: 25004 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!decwrl!netcomsv!ntg!dplatt From: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) Subject: Re: organic pest control for spider mites Message-ID: <1994Jan5.044126.2110@ntg.com> Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc. Palo Alto CA References: <1994Jan4.191620.3741@berlioz.nsc.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 04:41:26 GMT Lines: 21 >does anyone know of an organic remidy for spider mites? Other mites. Seriously... there are predatory mites which eat spider mites, and do not harm your plants. You can get 'em from Gardens Alive! 5100 Schenley Place Lawrenceburg, IN 47025 (812) 537-8650 Also, try a humidifier. Spider mites prefer dry conditions, and do not do as well in humid conditions. Keep the humidity at the upper end of the range that's healthy for whatever sort of plants you're growing, and you'll probably have less of a mite problem. -- Dave Platt dplatt@ntg.com ..or.. ...netcomsv!ntg!dplatt USNAIL: The 3DO Company, NTG division 2470 Embarcardero Way Palo Alto CA 94303 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billmc Thu Jan 13 09:31:57 EST 1994 Article: 25005 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billmc From: billmc@microsoft.com (Bill McJohn) Subject: Re: microwaving dirt Message-ID: Organization: Microsoft Corporation Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 19:29:13 GMT References: <2g2b9e$edd@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> Lines: 19 In article <2g2b9e$edd@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> clump@bluebeard.cs.mcgill.ca (Clark VERBRUGGE) writes: > >Can a microwave be used to sterilize dirt for indoor >potted plants? If so, how? Does it smell as potent >as using the oven? Any descriptions of methods welcome. > The January '94 issue of _Horticulture_ has an article on growing primula from seed which includes a method for sterilizing soil using boiling water. Basically, you fill the pots, put them where they can drain freely, and drench the soil mixture with boiling water. The article indicated that a few repetitions of this worked as well as baking, without the stink. Of course, watch out for melting the plastic pots! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson Thu Jan 13 09:31:58 EST 1994 Article: 25006 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Grape Testers Needed Message-ID: <34.2d29208e@axolotl> Date: 03 Jan 94 12:50:04 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 28 Grape Testers Needed Horticultural researcher Lon Rombough (13113 Ehlen Rd., Aurora, OR 97002; phone 503-678-1410) is seeking volunteers to test advanced grape selections of the late Dr. Norman Good, who wads a plant physiologist at Michigan State University. The selections are mostly seeded table grapes or juice grapes. Lon will supply cuttings and instructions on rooting and growing to individuals who agree to evaluate selections for hardiness, disease resistance, and quality. He thinks that some, but certainly not all, of the selections will prove worthy for commercial release. Michigan State University plans to destroy Dr. Good's selections, so don't waste time if you are interested in this unique opportunity! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reprinted with permission from the December 1993 _HortIdeas_. Copyright 1993 by Greg and Pat Williams. HortIdeas is $15 (2nd class mail within the USA) for one year (12 issues). For more information or a subscription, write: HortIdeas, 460 Black Lick Road, Gravel Switch, KY 40328, USA. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | E-mail address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "You're only young once but you can always be immature" -- Dave Barry From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson Thu Jan 13 09:31:59 EST 1994 Article: 25007 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Key Lime Tree Message-ID: <37.2d292091@axolotl> Date: 03 Jan 94 14:57:54 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 47 dy267@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jimmy Lew) writes: > I would appreciate any info on where in the US I can obtain seeds > of seedling for Key Limes. I live in California and have found > nothing. Key Limes are often sold under sold under the synonyms of MEXICAN LIME, MEXICAN EVERBEARING LIME, MEXICANNI LIME and BARTENDER'S LIME. The following nurseries should sell plants. ---------- FOUR WINDS GROWERS [CAT - SASE] PO Box 3538 Fremont, CA 94539 ---------- EXOTICA RARE FRUIT NURSERY [CAT - ???] 2508-B E. Vista Way PO Box 160 Vista, CA 92083 Tel: 619-724-9093 NOTE! Specializes in exotic edibles chosen especially for southern California. ---------- OREGON EXOTICS [CAT - $2] Rare Fruit Nursery 1065 Messinger Grants Pass, OR 97527 Tel: 503-846-7578 ---------- WILLITS & NEWCOMB, INC. [CAT - FREE] PO Box 428 Arvin, CA 93203 Tel: 805-327-9345 FAX: 805-366-6419 NOTE! Sells citrus propagating material, including budwood, only. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | E-mail address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "You're only young once but you can always be immature" -- Dave Barry From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU!saari Thu Jan 13 09:31:59 EST 1994 Article: 25008 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU!saari From: saari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: organic control of yard Date: 5 Jan 1994 09:31:02 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 48 Sender: root@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <199401051429.JAA15944@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >Hi gardeners, > >I'm looking for organic options for the following: > >1. Controlling grass grubs in lawns >2. Killing broadleaf weeds ( e.g., dandelions ) in lawns >3. Good lawn fertilizer/nutrient > >There are plenty of non-organic options available, but I'd like to be >kind to the environment if possible. > >Any ideas ??? > >Thanks in advance. > >Cheers, Andrew. Here are some possible solutions for you. First, to control grubs try beneficial parasitic nematodes. I just sent a message on this recently, but these are spread on the lawn in spring after it warms up. They then search for insect hosts, enter their bodies and release bacteria which kills the insect. The nemotodes do not harm humans, pets, birds, earthworms, bees, or any other beneficial insects. They can take a while to control the problem. As for number two, the best organic control of dandelions I know is digging them out with a tool you can buy just about anywhere for just over a buck. It looks like a two-pronged fork with a long handle. This helps you get a good portion of the root. If you don't dig up all the root, the dandelion will grow back. But eventually it will die. I generally like what most people call weeds in my lawn. For example, I think violets are pretty. But I do dig up dandelions because they multiple so fast and I don't want them taking over my lawn. For your last question, I would use Gardens Alive Spring Alive and Fall Alive organic fertilizer. Call 812/537-8650 to get a free catalog. I really like their products. There are other things I recommend for a healthy lawn. Among those are aeration, leaving your grass clippings, improving the soil with organic matter at least once a year if you can, proper watering only if you need it, edging around all flower and vegie beds and where the lawn meets the curb. Sue Susan Jenkins Saari Columbus, Ohio From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM Thu Jan 13 09:32:00 EST 1994 Article: 25009 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM From: Roger.Duvall@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Roger Duvall) Subject: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Message-ID: <19940105083936.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Sender: root@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: rduvall.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR Corporation X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0a References: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 13:39:00 GMT Lines: 45 In Article "bc@chandler.austin.ibm.com ()" says: > I live in zone 8 and I was wondering how many hours of > direct sunlight per day is optimal for Azaleas(say Southern Indica). > During what season is sunlight needed most for good blooming? > > Also, which Rhododendrons are the most heat and sun tolerant? > Are P.J.M. and Jean Marie de Montague(sp?) heat and sun tolerant > enough to try in a hot zone 8? (I realize that I am not in a good > area to grow Rhododendrons.) > > Last, I am making a raised bed for Azaleas and Rhododendrons. > Any recommendations for the soil mixture, I am starting from > scratch? (how much peat moss, pine bark, etc.) > > Thank you. > -- > **************************************************************** > Bill Chandler Internet: chandler@austin.ibm.com > There is a mail-order rhododendron nursery in Lousiana that specializes in rhodos for hot climates. I forgot to bring their brochure today, but I will try to remember tomorrow and email the address. I have talked to the owners and they maintain that the earliest bloomers do best in hot climates. I would bet on PJM. I have an Olga Mizzett (the M in PJM is also for Mizzett) here in Atlanta and it has performed very well. The only trouble with it is that it doesn't really look like I expect a rhododendron to look. There are a lot of variables regarding sunlight. If it's too shady, your plants won't bloom. How about 4 hours of direct morning sunlight? Ideally, your shade is evergreen. Too much winter sun can yellow the leaves, but this is not fatal. Here in Atlanta, the ideal growing medium for rhodos and azaleas is a mixture of sand and pine bark, about 1 part to 3. Raised beds are an excellent idea. Be sure that you provide a gradual transition between the growing medium and the soil. Water will not move freely between the two layers if the transition is too abrupt. Good luck. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!thig Thu Jan 13 09:32:02 EST 1994 Article: 25010 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!thig From: thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Terence P Higgins) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Herb group, anyone? Date: 5 Jan 1994 15:06:45 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64013 rec.food.veg:33256 rec.gardens:25010 I recently posted this proposal to alt.config for input. I'm wondering if anybody here would be interested in this kind of group? This is not a vote request or anything like that... For the last several months I've been thinking that a group called alt.herb would be a wonderful thing. I think this for a couple of reasons: 1) there is an alt.folklore.herb group, you're right. This tends to get discussions of "whether valerian is an abortificant" or "does bee balm heal chapped lips?" These are valuable questions, I understand, but not what I'm interested in. This information seems a bit specialized for my taste. Futhermore, more generic herb information is seldom, if ever, cross-posted to this group. 2) To get info on growing/drying/using herbs I must currently read rec.food.veg, rec.gardening, rec.cooking and more. This is not a chore by any means, (except maybe rec.food.veg), but a one stop shopping center for info and tips on herb could simplify matters. I have never tried proposing/creating an alt group before, so please be gentle. I'd welcome any comments, suggestion or tips from interested parties. Thanks for your patience. -- When everybody loves you, Son, that's just about as funky as you can be... thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.wes.army.mil!u4imcehb Thu Jan 13 09:32:03 EST 1994 Article: 25011 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.wes.army.mil!u4imcehb From: u4imcehb@apollo.wes.army.mil (Ernest Boswell) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: HOW TO CARE FOR GARDENIA BUSH Date: 5 Jan 1994 15:03:40 GMT Organization: USACE Waterways Experiment Station Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2geksc$isj@Joanna.Wes.Army.Mil> References: <2gd6ol$oph@newscast.West.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: apollo.wes.army.mil X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I've got a large gardenia (widest diameter about 5') that I've got to move. What are my chances of moving it and keeping it alive? Can I divide it, or something, to make several smaller shrubs from it? Or could I take cuttings, either from branches or roots? Thanks in advance, Harry Boswell u4imcehb@apollo.wes.army.mil Computer Scientist Information Technology Laboratory U.S. Army Corps of Engineers "select std_disclaimer from opinions_not_shared_by_employer" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!koriel!male.EBay.Sun.COM!tkduong!thanh Thu Jan 13 09:32:04 EST 1994 Article: 25012 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!koriel!male.EBay.Sun.COM!tkduong!thanh From: thanh@tkduong.EBay.Sun.COM (Thanh Duong) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Orchid Mail Order Companies Date: 5 Jan 1994 15:50:00 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2genj8$rpm@male.EBay.Sun.COM> References: <2gcbrd$em1@unix.sri.com> Reply-To: thanh@tkduong.EBay.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: tkduong.ebay.sun.com There is a show this week-end in Oakland (lake Merritt ). Last time I went it was very nice and it was not too crownded.You can get the catalog from those vendors I think. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!world!hemant Thu Jan 13 09:32:04 EST 1994 Article: 25013 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!world!hemant From: hemant@world.std.com (hemant d desai) Subject: Dwarf walnut tree Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 16:28:45 GMT Lines: 8 I am looking for a source for dwarf walnut tree. I do not know if such a species exists. I am currently trying to landscape my yard using dward and semi-dward ediables. I live int Mass. so the choices for nut trees are limited. Appreciate the help. The ediable gardener From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!cac.psu.edu!gho Thu Jan 13 09:32:05 EST 1994 Article: 25014 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!cac.psu.edu!gho From: gho@cac.psu.edu (George H. Otto) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Adding organic matter to established lawns Date: 5 Jan 1994 17:18:21 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 45 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gesot$rnu@genesis.ait.psu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hotlanta.cac.psu.edu jeff.west@atlantaga.ncr.com (Jeff West) writes: |> I just moved into a new house this year, therefore the lot was stripped and |> grass seeded directly onto the top of the good 'ol Georgia clay. How can I |> improve the soil without digging up the lawn (fescue)? A couple of things you might try (actually I'd do them all together at first): 1) Spread gypsum to help loosen the clay. Read the bag for amounts. 2) Spread 1/2 inch top dressing of fine compost. In our area, the municipal wastewater sludge is mixed with hardwood sawdust and composted. It's sold through local nurseries for about $12/yard, delivered. That's what I've used for topdressing. Be advised, however, that you'll need a lot of compost to cover your lot with a 1/2 inch layer. It's surprising how all those 1/2 inches add up. 3) Core aerate your yard when you apply the compost to get some of it mixed down in the top couple of inches of soil. You can rent a core aerator (it's about $15 for two hours here, enough time to do my 1/4 acre lot and pick-up and return the machine). 4) You can also overseed your lawn when you do the aeration, if you like. I've been doing this to change the mix in my yard from mostly ryegrass to mostly fescue. In our area, central Pennsylvania zone 5, I like to do this stuff in the early fall. There is still time for the newly seeded grass to take hold before winter, and I think the freezing and thawing of winter helps to mix up the surface soil components a bit. With your warmer GA clime, I don't know when would be best, except that I doubt you'd want to do this stuff in the midsummer heat. As has been mentioned in another followup, you may be on the several year plan to developing a deep turf; but even a single good application should show some improvement. Good luck, George Otto gho@psuvm.cac.psu.edu Visualization Group Center for Academic Computing Penn State University From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!cac.psu.edu!gho Thu Jan 13 09:32:06 EST 1994 Article: 25015 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!cac.psu.edu!gho From: gho@cac.psu.edu (George H. Otto) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Landscaping with dogs? Date: 5 Jan 1994 17:27:25 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2get9t$rnu@genesis.ait.psu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hotlanta.cac.psu.edu In article , af017@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (David R. Smith) writes: |> |> |> Please don't landscape with your dogs! They won't like being |> stuck in a hole somewhere and then watered regularly. |> I've seen some wonderful concrete bulldogs for setting on masonry pillars at the end of your driveway. Or there's always the option of a real "driveway-dog". While not concrete, they will continually lie motionless in the middle of your driveway (except in the rain, or when dumping in your neighbor's yard). A couple of my neghbors have those. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nwnexus!ole!ssc!eskimo!toddh Thu Jan 13 09:32:06 EST 1994 Article: 25016 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nwnexus!ole!ssc!eskimo!toddh From: toddh@eskimo.com (Todd Huston) Subject: Re: Orchid Mail Order Companies Message-ID: Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <2gcbrd$em1@unix.sri.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 03:07:16 GMT Lines: 28 christopher kagay (kagay@husc4.harvard.edu) wrote: : nat@od.sri.com (Nathaniel Bletter) writes: : >Also, are there any e-mailing lists for people interested in orchids? : I'm also interested in finding out about an e-mailing list. : If enough people are interested we might also think about starting a : new newsgroup focused on orchids; if Harvard has an orchid library the : net definitely has bandwidth for alt.orchids. (I assume no such : newsgroup exists -- we don't get it here -- if it does, please speak : up). : Chris Kagay : kagay@husc.harvard.edu There is a private moderated group. You may subscribe as follows In the body of a message put SUBSCRIBE ORCHIDS and send it to: mailserv@scuacc.scu.edu It will take it from there. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes Thu Jan 13 09:32:07 EST 1994 Article: 25017 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes From: hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) Subject: Re: Garden Delight Seed Co.??? Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 18:08:44 GMT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbs114.boi.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 14 Teresa Hall x0813 (thall@duke.atc.ll.mit.edu) wrote: : I called the 800 information and they said there was a company called : Garden Delight whose number is 1-800-588-5899. I don't know if it is : the same place or not. : T.Hall Nope -- that's a florist shop in Nashville (Memphis?) Tennessee. But thanks for the try anyway. BTW, the guy at the florist shop is a home gardener and we had a pleasant chat anyway... - Gary Hypes - From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!morrow.stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:32:08 EST 1994 Article: 25018 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!morrow.stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!not-for-mail From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: looking for prop. tools Date: 5 Jan 1994 11:08:06 -0800 Organization: Stanford University Lines: 6 Sender: news@morrow.stanford.edu Message-ID: <2gf36m$s1a@morrow.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu I have been looking for years for small tools for digging up rooted cuttings and tiny seedlings. The tool in particular looks something like a small spoon with a serrated edge; does anyone know what I am talking about or have seen something like this in a catalog? Karen From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!darwin.sura.net!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!haldas Thu Jan 13 09:32:09 EST 1994 Article: 25019 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!darwin.sura.net!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!haldas From: haldas@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Gene Haldas) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Garden sprinkler system Date: 5 Jan 1994 19:39:25 GMT Organization: Tallahassee Free-Net Lines: 32 Message-ID: <2gf51d$ehh@mailer.fsu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet2.scri.fsu.edu hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes: > > > This spring, I'm going to be putting in a 4- or 6-zone sprinkler > system for two widely separated (~175' or more) garden areas. Any > recommendations on controllers to get/avoid? Particular types or > grades of PVC pipe? > > Also: The hardware person I spoke with suggested that since I was > growing corn in some sections I might want to flood-irrigate those and > run sprinklers on the rest - but since I may want to rotate crops, I > don't want to be locked into one configuration. Any suggestions? > > Thx, > > Gary Hypes I have installed an 8-zone system last year. I am using two 4-zone timers. One is a Rain Bird the other is a Water Master. The Rain bird has been giving me trouble, everytime we have a power failure it looses its memory and correct time, this in spite of having a battery backup. The result is the sprinklers come on at odd times and stay on for an undeterminate lenght of time. The Water Master timer is very reliable and a lot nicer to program in my openion, it is partly mechanical as opposed to all digital for the Rain Bird. Having talked to the Rain Bird people they suggest I get a surge protector on the electrical circuit to correct the problem. I am going to get another Water Master timer instead.The cost is about equal. -- --- Gene Haldas --- Tallahassee, Florida From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!psinntp!charon!rickr.khis.com!user Thu Jan 13 09:32:10 EST 1994 Article: 25020 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!psinntp!charon!rickr.khis.com!user From: rickr@khis.com (Rick Ratliff) Subject: Re: Organic options for lawn care Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.gardens Sender: root@khis.com (Operator) Organization: Kodak Health Imaging Systems References: <1994Jan5.133659.2174@ccc.govt.nz> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 18:06:50 GMT Lines: 66 In article <1994Jan5.133659.2174@ccc.govt.nz>, andrew@ccc.govt.nz (Andrew Groom) wrote: > Hi gardeners, > > I'm looking for organic options for the following: > > 1. Controlling grass grubs in lawns > 2. Killing broadleaf weeds ( e.g., dandelions ) in lawns > 3. Good lawn fertilizer/nutrient > > There are plenty of non-organic options available, but I'd like to be > kind to the environment if possible. > > Any ideas ??? > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, Andrew. > > I am not an expert, but I have adopted an orgnic program for the care of all my plants, including my lawn. The expert, whose advice I follow, is Howard Garett. Here are the ground rules: 1. Leave grass clippings on your lawn. 2. Mow as high as possible. 3. Water deep and infrequently, like nature does. 4. Cover all bare spots with mulch or partially composted materials. 5. Don't use any synthetic fertilizers. 6. Treat the soil and not the symptoms. Now for your concerns: 1. controlling grass grubs -- some grubs are beneficial, the ones that aren't can be taken care of with beneficial nematodes. I think that applying some dried molasis will encourage these little micro-organisms. 2. weeds -- pull em, accept that from time to time they will appear in your yard, some weeds are growing because your soil could be in bad shape (so treat your soil), encourage the growth of your lawn grass (this will choke a few out) 3. fertilizer -- best is compost that you make from your own lawn waste, cricket crap, chicken manure, any organic one is fine. I am not sure about the brand names, but all of the stuff that I have suggested is available commercially. I am lucky enough to live in the Dallas area where I have access to organic nurseries. good-luck Rick Ratliff | "...if we travel by Objective Software Solutions, Inc. | dragonfly" -- Jimi Hendrix P.O. Box 974, Rowlett, Texas 75030-0974 | (214) 412-5419 | Opinions expressed are mine e-mail: rickr@khis.com | and not those of KHIS. on contract @ Kodak Health Imaging Systems | From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.tek.com!tekgen!redredrose!sonyab Thu Jan 13 09:32:12 EST 1994 Article: 25021 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.tek.com!tekgen!redredrose!sonyab From: sonyab@redredrose.labs.tek.com (Sonya Babbitt) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Message-ID: <4857@tekgen.bv.tek.com> Date: 5 Jan 94 19:30:18 GMT References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> Sender: news@tekgen.bv.tek.com Followup-To: rec.food.cooking Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 4 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64078 rec.food.veg:33284 rec.gardens:25021 I would sure be interested in an herb group. I know nothing about starting one however. Sonya Babbitt From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!decwrl!adobe!kolling Thu Jan 13 09:32:13 EST 1994 Article: 25022 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!decwrl!adobe!kolling From: kolling@adobe.com (Karen Kolling) Subject: Re: HOW TO CARE FOR GARDENIA BUSH Message-ID: <1994Jan5.204902.19206@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View References: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 20:49:02 GMT Lines: 18 In article news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) writes: >I have been trying unsuccessfully for a year to plant a Gardenia bush in >the backyard. They lasted for about a month before the flowers fall off >and the bush would turn black and die. > >I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I haven't over water or feed them. Sounds like you're underwatering them. Gardenias need a lot of water. Mulching helps. The plants will recover from the brown shriveled leaf stage in a few weeks if you water them consistently enough and they're still alive. (Don't touch the flowers or get water on them, or they will turn brown.) -- Karen Kolling kolling@adobe.com ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!orchard.la.locus.com!prodnet.la.locus.com!izar.la.locus.com!jill Thu Jan 13 09:32:14 EST 1994 Article: 25023 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!orchard.la.locus.com!prodnet.la.locus.com!izar.la.locus.com!jill From: jill@izar.la.locus.com (Jill Kalter) Subject: Re: Roses in half-barrels & severe pruning Message-ID: <1994Jan05.193032.107228@locus.com> Sender: news@locus.com (Netnews) Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California References: <2g9tqk$qp8@news.bu.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 94 19:30:32 GMT Lines: 44 Well, I'm not exactly an expert on roses; I've only been growing them for the past year. However, I do have a hybrid tea growing in a container, so I thought my experience might help you. When I bought my house about a year ago, some of the roses in the front yard had died. I bought some to replace them. Then, a friend gave me a rose bush, so I ended up with one more than I needed. I didn't know what to do with it. I had a trash-can-sized pot with some soil in it, so I put one of the hybrid tea roses in the pot and placed it on the porch until I decided where to plant it. Well, it's now a year later, and the potted rose is still on the porch. It was doing so well in the pot (much better than its brothers and sisters in the front yard) that I just left it there. It's now about 3 feet tall, where the other roses planted at the same time are still under 1 foot. I don't know whether it likes the pot, the soil, or the location on the porch, but I'm not one to argue with success. As for pruning--all the books I've read state that pruning practices vary based on your climate. In cold climates, roses should be pruned hard, similar to what you're describing, to help them survive the winter. In warm climates, like here in Los Angeles, roses should be pruned down by about 1/3. There are two important points with pruning as I understand it. 1) Prune while the rose is dormant and when there's no danger of frost. In Los Angeles, it can be difficult to get roses to go dormant. Stop feeding and watering them in October or November to try to get them to go to sleep by January. When the rose is dormant, I think that most of its leaves fall off. Certainly, it won't be blooming. 2) Prune to a vase shape for hybrid teas. This means that you cut off stems that cross the center to the roots. Cut other stems to an outward facing bud. Cut about 1/4 to 1/2 inch above the bud. Cut off all stems that are thinner than a pencil. Remember, cutting plants back encourages new growth. That's why it's important not to prune when there's a danger of frost. Also, no amount of advice from friends on the net will substitute for a good book on roses that's customized for your area. Hope this helps. Let us know how it goes. --Jill From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!pender.ee.upenn.edu!pauls Thu Jan 13 09:32:14 EST 1994 Article: 25024 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!pender.ee.upenn.edu!pauls From: pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Are wood ashes any good for gardens? Date: 5 Jan 1994 21:47:02 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gfcgm$k3j@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) NNTP-Posting-Host: pender.ee.upenn.edu I am begining to accumulate a good pile of ashes from my fireplace. I have heard that these are good for the garden, but I wanted to check it out with the experts. If they are good, how much should I use? How and when do I apply them? Now? in Spring? Should I add them to my compost pile? or just scatter them on the groung when tilling? Thanks Rich From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu!user Thu Jan 13 09:32:15 EST 1994 Article: 25025 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu!user Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,rec.gardens,rec.pets.dogs Subject: Dog-resistant ground cover? Message-ID: <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> From: 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) Date: 5 Jan 94 15:05:47 CST Followup-To: misc.consumers.house Organization: Univ. of Kansas Molecular Graphics and Modeling Nntp-Posting-Host: kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu Lines: 24 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.consumers.house:44832 rec.gardens:25025 rec.pets.dogs:49061 Well, the dogs have done a pretty good job of turning 75% of their/our back yard into bare dirt. This yard is a problem area to begin with, since it's well-shaded by a large blue spruce that's been shedding needles for about 50 years, and dog traffic has finished off a lot of vegetation that was already struggling. I'm getting tired of wiping off 8 muddy feet all the time when it rains, and was trying to think of things I could do in the spring to make this situation a little better. Obviously, some sort of mild alkaline (ground limestone) to counteract acid from the pine needles would help, and I can till some peat moss into areas that have been compacted. But is there anything to plant that has a chance in this kind of high-wear, shady environment? My only thoughts have run to Bermuda/Zoysia-type grasses, but these are all pretty much full-sun species, right? Any suggestions welcomed.... Christopher Gunn Molecular Graphics and Modeling Laboratory 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu University of Kansas Phone: 913-864-4428 or -4495 Malott Hall Lawrence, KS 66045 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!nntp.ucsb.edu!mcl!c-chan Thu Jan 13 09:32:20 EST 1994 Article: 25026 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!nntp.ucsb.edu!mcl!c-chan From: c-chan@mcl.ucsb.edu (Christina Callihan) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Herb and chocolate newsgroups Date: 5 Jan 1994 22:41:50 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Lines: 25 Message-ID: <2gffne$71p@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mcl.ucsb.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64113 rec.food.veg:33295 rec.gardens:25026 In <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Terence P Higgins) writes: > I recently posted this proposal to alt.config for input. I'm wondering > if anybody here would be interested in this kind of group? This is not a vote > request or anything like that... I would be extremely interested. I'm looking to start up an herb garden in my new home, if I can just locate my books on the subject... On a similar topic, does anyone know if anything is happening with the chocolate newsgroup that someone was discussing a while back? I mailed him enthusiastic support when the thread came up, but I've heard nothing since then. Is it being batted around news.groups, or what? ____________________________________________________________________________ If You Know What | Christina M. Callihan | Doing STRANGE THINGS You're Doing, | AKA C-chan, Bwee, Chrystal- | in the name of Art, It's Not | Elf & Who Knows What Else | and STRANGER THINGS Research! | (I sure don't) | in the name of => => => => => | c-chan@mcl.ucsb.edu | CHOCOLATE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- When life gets weird, the weird get a life. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- U.C. Santa Barbara doesn't know that _I_ exist, let alone my opinions! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!network.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!biivax.dp.beckman.com!jessica.css.beckman.com!dedelgado Thu Jan 13 09:32:21 EST 1994 Article: 25027 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!network.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!biivax.dp.beckman.com!jessica.css.beckman.com!dedelgado Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.pets.dogs Subject: Re: Dog-resistant ground cover? Message-ID: From: dedelgado@ccgate.beckman.com (Dena Delgado) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 15:18:25 References: <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> Organization: Beckman Instruments Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: jessica.css.beckman.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A]Lines: 48 Lines: 48 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25027 rec.pets.dogs:49083 In article <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) writes: >Subject: Dog-resistant ground cover? >From: 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) >Date: 5 Jan 94 15:05:47 CST >Well, the dogs have done a pretty good job of turning 75% >of their/our back yard into bare dirt. This yard is a problem >area to begin with, since it's well-shaded by a large blue spruce >that's been shedding needles for about 50 years, and dog traffic >has finished off a lot of vegetation that was already struggling. >I'm getting tired of wiping off 8 muddy feet all the time >when it rains, and was trying to think of things I could do >in the spring to make this situation a little better. Obviously, >some sort of mild alkaline (ground limestone) to counteract >acid from the pine needles would help, and I can till >some peat moss into areas that have been compacted. >But is there anything to plant that has a chance in this kind >of high-wear, shady environment? My only thoughts have >run to Bermuda/Zoysia-type grasses, but these are all pretty >much full-sun species, right? >Any suggestions welcomed.... >Christopher Gunn Molecular Graphics and Modeling Laboratory >1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu University of Kansas >Phone: 913-864-4428 or -4495 Malott Hall > Lawrence, KS 66045 Chris, It has been my experience that where ever your dog plays or potties, nothing will grow for long. You would be planting grass only to have it killed. Don't waste your money. What about putting down plastic sheeting (leave breathing room for the pine tree to get air and water) and then covering it all with small smooth pebbles, about 2 inches deep? This will eliminate the mud when it rains, hoses down well, makes it easy to pick up poop, looks pretty if you edge it with a brick or stone border, and is pretty indestructable by doggies. You can put large planters of shade-loving flowers around it too to dress it up a bit. Just a suggestion. Dena Delgado (a.k.a. the dachshund lady) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!qwerty-gw.fsl.noaa.gov!traine Thu Jan 13 09:32:23 EST 1994 Article: 25028 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!qwerty-gw.fsl.noaa.gov!traine From: traine@qwerty (Tracy Smith) Subject: Re: Dog-resistant ground cover? Message-ID: <1994Jan6.000307.27121@fsl.noaa.gov> Sender: news@fsl.noaa.gov (USENET News System) Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 00:03:07 GMT Lines: 14 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.consumers.house:44842 rec.gardens:25028 Christopher Gunn (1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu) wrote: : Well, the dogs have done a pretty good job of turning 75% : of their/our back yard into bare dirt. This yard is a problem Hi, Chris! well, we have the same problem, but are going to try the new sod/sprinkler system route for the time being. The one ground cover we do have that seems shade tolerant and dog tolerant is vinca. We have vinca major, but I imagine vinca minor would do OK too (aka periwinkle). Also, the strawberries have held up well, surprisingly. Altho, we don't eat the strawberries that come out of the doggy area of the yard :-). But, they've eaten/stomped just about everything else & all marginal grassy areas. Good luck! Tracy Lorraine Smith (and Impi and Karoo!) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 Thu Jan 13 09:32:24 EST 1994 Article: 25029 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a8331 From: Moira_Carlson@mindlink.bc.ca (Moira Carlson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Wood Ashes Date: 6 Jan 94 01:05:37 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-ID: <35879@mindlink.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mindlink.bc.ca In response to: Richard J. Pauls: pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu who writes: >I am begining to accumulate a good pile of ashes from my >fireplace. I have heard that these are good for the >garden, but I wanted to check it out with the experts. If >they are good, how much should I use? How and when do I >apply them? Now? in Spring? Should I add them to my >compost pile? or just scatter them on the groung when >tilling? Can I assume we are talking about wood ashes here? If so you heard right. They are good for your garden. They are high in Potassium which is one of the elements most needed for plant growth. Potassium promotes winter hardiness so they could be added just about any time (unlike Nitrogen fertilizers). The other really important point to consider is the acidity of your soil because wood ashes are limey. Out here the soils are generally pretty acidic so just about everything can use some amount of sweetening. How much you would want to add (for example scattering them on the ground when tilling) would depend on the pH of the soil in your area. It would also depend on the plants you are growing. In the quantities that come out of our airtight wood stove, and given the nature of my garden soil, I can pretty much chuck the stuff where I please but that might not be good advise for you...is there a wood ashes guru in the audience? Can too much of a good thing be too much of a good thing??? What I do with my wood ashes is either be lazy -in which case they go out with the house contribution to the compost pile- or, I put them in a plastic icecream bucket, grab a spoon and go skipping about the garden sprinkling a spoonful or two around all the plants that I know like a limier soil than we have. Plants on my list for this treatment are: Lilacs, Lavender, anything in the Dianthus family (Pinks,Sweet William,Carnations), Irises, etc.etc. I actively avoid things like Heathers and Rhododendrons that I know like a very acidic soil. Hope this helps. Moira Carlson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!maroon.tc.umn.edu!j-easl Thu Jan 13 09:32:25 EST 1994 Article: 25030 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!maroon.tc.umn.edu!j-easl From: j-easl@maroon.tc.umn.edu ("Jon Easley") Message-ID: <16869.j-easl@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: WARNING!!! Michigan Bulb Company Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 19:12:48 CST X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA08847; Wed, 5 Jan 94 17:37:36 -0800 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA15355; Wed, 5 Jan 94 17:17:26 -0800 X-Received: from dialup-1-99.gw.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu id SMTP-0012d2b669d010991; Wed, 5 Jan 94 19:17:18 -0600 X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_11 X-Popmail-Charset: IBM 8-Bit X-To: rec.gardens.usenet Lines: 9 I just received a catalog from the Michigan Bulb Company today and it made me think that I should put out a warning. DO NOT I repeat DO NOT order from this company they are known to have sub- standard products that usually arrive dead. They will not give you a refund on already planted items but will gladly send you more of the same crappy bulbs. PLEASE PLEASE do yourself a favor and do not order from them. They have great prices but as the old saying goes "There's no such thing as a free lunch!" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet Thu Jan 13 09:32:26 EST 1994 Article: 25031 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Donald Szumowski Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Recommend Seed Company Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 20:46:53 EST Organization: Delphi Internet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <940105.74813.DSZUMOWSKI@delphi.com> References: <2gc8qc$5ut@hpchase.rose.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: delphi.com I have used Nichols Garden Nursery in Albany, OR. They have a good selection of vegetable seeds. The tel # is (503) 928-9280. The address is 1190 N. Pacific Highway, Albany, OR 97321-4598. Good luck., Don. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!convex!jjohnson Thu Jan 13 09:32:27 EST 1994 Article: 25032 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!convex!jjohnson From: jjohnson@convex.com (Jennifer L. Johnson) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Herb group, anyone? Date: 6 Jan 1994 02:12:14 GMT Organization: CONVEX News Network, Engineering (cnn.eng), Richardson, Tx USA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2gfs1u$r77@lovecraft.convex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: muse.convex.com Originator: jjohnson@muse.convex.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64150 rec.food.veg:33301 rec.gardens:25032 Check out alt.folklore.herbs. It's more about the uses of herbs than folklore. Sounds like what you're looking for. -- Jennifer L. Johnson | A house without either a dog or a cat is jjohnson@convex.com | the house of a scoundrel. IWTFM | -Portuguese Proverb From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:32:28 EST 1994 Article: 25033 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Followup-To: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Date: 6 Jan 1994 02:30:24 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gft40$8o7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Terence P Higgins (thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote: : I recently posted this proposal to alt.config for input. I'm wondering if anybody here would be interested in this kind of group? This is not a vote : request or anything like that... : For the last several months I've been thinking that a group called : alt.herb would be a wonderful thing. I think this for a couple of reasons: : 1) there is an alt.folklore.herb group, you're right. This tends to : get discussions of "whether valerian is an abortificant" or "does bee balm : heal chapped lips?" These are valuable questions, I understand, but not what : I'm interested in. This information seems a bit specialized for my taste. : Futhermore, more generic herb information is seldom, if ever, cross-posted : to this group. : 2) To get info on growing/drying/using herbs I must currently read : rec.food.veg, rec.gardening, rec.cooking and more. This is not a chore by : any means, (except maybe rec.food.veg), but a one stop shopping center for : info and tips on herb could simplify matters. : I have never tried proposing/creating an alt group before, so please : be gentle. I'd welcome any comments, suggestion or tips from interested : parties. Thanks for your patience. : -- : When everybody loves you, : Son, that's just about as funky as you can be... : thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu On the mailing list gardens, I just read that there is an herb mail-list. If you're interested, I'll dig out the info on subscribing. Jan jlupson@uoguelph.ca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:32:28 EST 1994 Article: 25034 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: looking for prop. tools Date: 6 Jan 1994 02:38:11 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 26 Message-ID: <2gftij$8o7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <2gf36m$s1a@morrow.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sullys Maze (GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu) wrote: : I have been looking for years for small tools for digging up rooted : cuttings and tiny seedlings. The tool in particular looks something : like a small spoon with a serrated edge; does anyone know what I am : talking about or have seen something like this in a catalog? : Karen Don't know if this is what you mean but Lee Valley Catalogue has a pair of houseplant tools, one a little trowel and one a two-pronged fork, each about 7 inches long, made in England, stainless steel. $10.95 (Canadian). Description says they are ideal for transplanting seedlings, applying fertilizers and working the soil surface. Their toll-free number if 1-800-267-8767 (don't know if this works from the States). Their address is: Lee Valley Tools Ltd. 1080 Morrison Drive Ottawa, Ontario K2H 8K7 Canada. Catalogue Number for this set is AC303. They also have stores in Toronto and London, Ontario; Edmonton and Calgary, Alberta and Vancouver, B.C. Jan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!psinntp!compass-da!rat!linsley Thu Jan 13 09:32:29 EST 1994 Article: 25035 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!psinntp!compass-da!rat!linsley From: linsley@rat.uucp (Chuck Linsley) Subject: Re: Orchid Mail Order Companies Message-ID: <1994Jan6.022316.10786@compass-da.com> Sender: usenet@compass-da.com (Usenet News) Reply-To: vlsisj!smds!linsley@decwrl.dec.com Organization: "VLSI Technology, San Jose, California, USA" References: <2gcbrd$em1@unix.sri.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 02:23:16 GMT Lines: 48 In article , kagay@husc4.harvard.edu (christopher kagay) writes: |> nat@od.sri.com (Nathaniel Bletter) writes: |> |> >Also, are there any e-mailing lists for people interested in orchids? |> |> I'm also interested in finding out about an e-mailing list. Since several people are asking: To subscribe to the orchids list digest, send a mail message to MAILSERV@SCUACC.SCU.EDU (Internet), or MAILSERV@SCU (BITNET). In the body of the message type the line: SUBSCRIBE ORCHIDS To unsubscribe from the orchids list,send a mail message to MAILSERV@SCUACC.SCU.EDU (Internet), or MAILSERV@SCU (BITNET). In the body of the message type the line: UNSUBSCRIBE ORCHIDS To send contributions to the orchids, send a your mail messages to ORCHIDS@SCUACC.SCU.EDU (Internet) or ORCHIDS@SCU (BITNET). Because of the traffic volume, (his machine was spending 90% of its time processing orchid mail, when it had other tasks to do) the moderator compiles individual messages into digests, one per day. The mailing list has people from all over the world -- off hand, I can think of U.S., Canada, UK, Australia, Hong Kong, Australia, Costa Rica, Singapore and Zimbabwe -- and some of them are real experts. |> If enough people are interested we might also think about starting a |> new newsgroup focused on orchids; if Harvard has an orchid library the |> net definitely has bandwidth for alt.orchids. (I assume no such |> newsgroup exists -- we don't get it here -- if it does, please speak |> up). I'm not aware of any such newsgroup, either. Personally, I like the mailing list. If I'm too busy to read it, it just sits in my mailbox until I get around to it, instead of expiring like news. -- Chuck Linsley Don't trust 'Reply.' vlsisj!smds!linsley@decwrl.dec.com seems to work, but if you can find a better path, I'd love to find out about it. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!mailhost.interaccess.com!interaccess.com!taylor Thu Jan 13 09:32:30 EST 1994 Article: 25036 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!mailhost.interaccess.com!interaccess.com!taylor From: taylor@interaccess.com (Edmund Taylor) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Poinsetta problems Date: 6 Jan 1994 04:06:06 GMT Organization: InterAccess, Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2gg2ne$g8q@mailhost.interaccess.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: home.interaccess.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have been attempting to grow a poinsetta plant indoors for years, but I could never get them to flower in the wintertime. I've been told to keep them in the dark for a certain period of time during the winter months, but this only results in loss of leaves. What am I missing here? Any help would be appreciated. -Ed From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!southpower.co.nz!ccc.govt.nz!andrew Thu Jan 13 09:32:30 EST 1994 Article: 25037 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!southpower.co.nz!ccc.govt.nz!andrew Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Organic options for lawn care Message-ID: <1994Jan6.164307.2183@ccc.govt.nz> From: andrew@ccc.govt.nz (Andrew Groom) Date: 6 Jan 94 16:43:07 NZDT Organization: Christchurch City Council, New Zealand. Lines: 14 Thanks to all you folks who replied to my question about organic lawn care. I've got lots of things to try now, and I'll get back to you in a while. 'bye for now. Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Groom Phone: (03) 3711 862 GIS Business analyst, MIS Fax: (03) 3711 789 Christchurch City Council Email: andrew@ccc.govt.nz P.O. Box 237, Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billmc Thu Jan 13 09:32:31 EST 1994 Article: 25038 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billmc From: billmc@microsoft.com (Bill McJohn) Subject: Re: Heliotrope standards Message-ID: Organization: Microsoft Corporation Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 22:39:14 GMT References: <2gaede$d7k@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <94004.140441U14371@uicvm.uic.edu> Lines: 16 In article <94004.140441U14371@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: > Well Kelly, I can't help you. In fact I am interested in finding out >more about heliotrope, such as where can I get it and what a good source >is? Is White Flower Farm a good source (you sound as if it might be)? >Thanks, > Hans Goeckner > zone 5/6 (near Chicago and Lake MI) Heliotrope is a tender perennial grown as an annual in cold-winter climates. You might try calling around to see if any of your local nurseries carry it--it's a good bedding plant, so you should be able to find it locally. Or, you can start it from seed if you start it indoors quite early; seed is available from a number of mail-order sources. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncr-sd!npg-sd!bhoule Thu Jan 13 09:32:31 EST 1994 Article: 25039 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncr-sd!npg-sd!bhoule From: bhoule@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Bill Houle) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Chinese Evergreen Message-ID: <6957@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> Date: 6 Jan 94 05:15:02 GMT Distribution: world Organization: NCR Corporation, Network Products Group - San Diego Lines: 20 [can I discuss houseplants here too? couldn't find anyplace more appropriate...] I have a Chinese Evergreen (I think that's the name) in a 10" pot with low to moderate light. There are 4 stalks about 1.5" thick, and they total about 3' high. The problem is the thing is starting to look ratty. The leaves grow very large, and eventually the weight bends the leaf stems over, they get yellow & mushy, and finally die. It used to be a rather full plant, but now it is getting 'stemmy' (I see more stalk than leaves). Is there anything I can do, or has it just gotten too darn big? Most of the Evergreens I've seen at other places are much smaller, and consequently, fuller. -- Bill Houle bhoule@npg-sd.ScrippsRanchCA.NCR.COM NCR NPD-San Diego (619) 693-5593 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!ahill Thu Jan 13 09:32:32 EST 1994 Article: 25040 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!ahill From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill) Subject: Re: Poinsetta problems Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 07:42:42 GMT References: <2gg2ne$g8q@mailhost.interaccess.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbsl202.boi.hp.com Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave Lines: 15 In article <2gg2ne$g8q@mailhost.interaccess.com>, Edmund Taylor wrote: > I have been attempting to grow a poinsetta plant indoors for >years, but I could never get them to flower in the wintertime. I've been >told to keep them in the dark for a certain period of time during the >winter months, but this only results in loss of leaves. What am I missing >here? Any help would be appreciated. > You're not keeping them in the dark permanently, are you? I believe the rule of thumb is 14 hours of dark, 10 of light per day to induce the color change. -- Andy Hill ahill@boi.hp.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet Thu Jan 13 09:32:33 EST 1994 Article: 25041 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: KATEW@delphi.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Sources for Issai Kiwi Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 03:41:54 EST Organization: Delphi Internet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <940106.13314.KATEW@delphi.com> References: <2gaekn$dcl@gap.cco.caltech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: delphi.com Unfortunately I don't have the new Burpee's next to the computer, but I'm pretty sure there's an Issai kiwi in it. (If I'm wrong, eeep! I'm sorry. :) --Kate Wrightson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah Thu Jan 13 09:32:33 EST 1994 Article: 25042 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah From: leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Subject: Fruit trees in zone 5 Message-ID: <1280@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: 5 Jan 94 22:09:12 GMT Reply-To: leah@smith.chi.il.us (L.A.Z. Smith) Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL Lines: 36 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25042 misc.rural:7345 Well, the electric company came and cut down some big pine trees that were in the rear of our yard and now I have a nice open space where I'd like to put fruit trees, preferably dwarf or even miniatures. I'm interested in hearing about other people's experiences with little fruit trees, especially in terms of ease of care, and also which varieties have the best flavor. We're in the northwestern suburbs of Chicago (far enough from the Lake for that not to be a factor), which is zone 5, but my husband thinks we ought to grow varieties hardy to zone 4. We've ruled out plums, since we both have had bad experiences with fungus, and we're hesitating about apples, since our previous tree seemed to need constant spraying if the crop wasn't going to be completely worm-ridden. What can we expect with cherries (tart and sweet), pears, Asian pears (are there any hardy in zone 4?) and peaches? I am not a dyed-in-the-wool organic grower, but spraying is a big pain. Are there ways to avoid having to do it every two weeks? I don't need gorgeous fruit, but would like to avoid worms. Has anyone grown bush cherries? Are they as tasty as the pie cherries from trees (we were thinking of growing North Star)? Also has anyone grown native fruits like persimmons and pawpaw? Are they delicious enough to be worth giving space to? Finally I note two catalogs say that Brown Turkey figs can be hardy in zone 5 if given winter protection. Has anybody tried this? I have a nice warm spot on the south side of our house and I adore fresh figs. Anyone's comments on the subject of fruit growing and edible landscaping generally would be welcome. Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!psinntp!megatest!sfisher Thu Jan 13 09:32:34 EST 1994 Article: 25043 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!psinntp!megatest!sfisher From: sfisher@megatest.com (Scott Fisher) Subject: Re: Recommend Seed Company Message-ID: Organization: Megatest Corporation References: <2gc8qc$5ut@hpchase.rose.hp.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 23:45:38 GMT Lines: 26 In article <2gc8qc$5ut@hpchase.rose.hp.com> johnkg@hprnd.rose.hp.com (John Gonsalves) writes: >Please recommend a good seed company to me... I use Sheppards in Felton CA, >but would like a couple of additional sources of good quality that you >can personally recommend. I've got a listing of 100+ seed catalog companies >from this news group already, but would like to narrow the search a bit. > >I'm currently only interested in vegetables seeds, preferably heirloom and >open pollinated varieties... Shepherd's is good, last year I tried ordering from J.L. Hudson (you might already have the address if you've got over 100 catalogs already...) They carry a lot of flower seeds, but a fair number of vegetables as well, in heirloom and unusual varieties. They also have something called the Zapotec Collection, vegetables, hebs, ornamental and medicinal plants from southern Oaxaca. If you don't already have it, the address is P.O. Box 1058, Redwood City, CA 94064. I got my seed order last year in record time (I guess it helped that I live very close by) but they were also very helpful in answering (by letter) some questions I had after growing some unusual chiles last year. I'm waiting anxiously for this year's catalog, so I can get an early start this year. --Kim Fisher From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!str-ccsun!strath-cs!cen.ex.ac.uk!afkettle Thu Jan 13 09:32:36 EST 1994 Article: 25044 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!str-ccsun!strath-cs!cen.ex.ac.uk!afkettle From: afkettle@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.F.Kettle) Subject: Automatic Watering in Conservatory Message-ID: Organization: University of Exeter, UK. Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 12:24:44 GMT Lines: 16 What is peoples experience with conservatory automatic self watering devices? I am going away for several months and there is no-one who will give my conservatory plants the tender loving care they need. Sigh. I've tried putting a cloth wick into a reservoir and under the plant pots. This isn't very successful - if the plant is dormant it doesn't work at all and if the plant is active it gets flooded. There are expensive commercial systems, but I'd like to do it fairly cheaply ... I'm wondering about a system like this: Mains water -> Reservoir (old loo cistern) -> Plastic tubing -> adjustable tap -> Pebble filled tray containing the plant pots What do you do? Cheers, Anna ;-) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!gumby!yale!news.wesleyan.edu!eagle.wesleyan.edu!jbrooks Thu Jan 13 09:32:36 EST 1994 Article: 25045 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!gumby!yale!news.wesleyan.edu!eagle.wesleyan.edu!jbrooks Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Vermiculture (worms) Message-ID: <1994Jan6.095146.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> From: jbrooks@eagle.wesleyan.edu Date: 6 Jan 94 09:51:46 EST Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 8 Does anyone out there grow worms? I am planning to try out a small bin in the garage as a cold weather composting system for kitchen "waste", fish bait factory and to get the added benefit of great fertilizer. I've read differing comments on how big a container is needed and what are the minimum tempretures needed for good growth and activity. Any comments/suggestions from your experience is much appreciated. Jeff Brooks From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!gumby!yale!news.wesleyan.edu!eagle.wesleyan.edu!jbrooks Thu Jan 13 09:32:37 EST 1994 Article: 25046 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!gumby!yale!news.wesleyan.edu!eagle.wesleyan.edu!jbrooks Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Organic options for lawn care Message-ID: <1994Jan6.094229.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> From: jbrooks@eagle.wesleyan.edu Date: 6 Jan 94 09:42:29 EST References: <1994Jan5.133659.2174@ccc.govt.nz> Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 16 In article <1994Jan5.133659.2174@ccc.govt.nz>, andrew@ccc.govt.nz (Andrew Groom) writes: > I'm looking for organic options for the following: > > 1. Controlling grass grubs in lawns > 2. Killing broadleaf weeds ( e.g., dandelions ) in lawns > 3. Good lawn fertilizer/nutrient One of my favorites for fertilizing is dried chicken manure (don't use wet, it'll kill everything). Not only is it very high in Nitrogen but it also completely rids my lawn of moles for at least 6 months which I think is due to getting rid of grubs of which I now have very few. There is a chicken farm near me that gets chicks in a batch and raises them to 8 months then sells the whole lot off to market leaving the coops empty except for alot of well aged manure. I go in and get it and spred it on the lawn twice a year with a spreader. I don't worry about weeds too much, but have been told there are some reliable organic pre-emergent herbicides out there. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!magpie!snyder Thu Jan 13 09:32:37 EST 1994 Article: 25047 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!magpie!snyder From: snyder@magpie.ssd.kodak.com (Jeffrey C. Snyder) Subject: Re: Fruit trees in zone 5 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@newsserver.pixel.kodak.com Organization: Eastman Kodak References: <1280@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 14:26:36 GMT Lines: 37 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25047 misc.rural:7352 Hi, I read Leah Smith's posting about fruit trees with interest. They seem to be in the same situation as my wife and I. We will be moving in February to a home with a much larger lot. I've always wanted to grow fruit trees. We have a Granny Smith apple tree at our current place, but I never spray it and the apples are always full of worms. What I'd really like to grow are Paw Paws, sour cherries, and apricots. Like Leah, I am looking for good advice, variety recommendations, and maybe a good book on how to set up a home orchard. I would prefer that things remain as "organic" as they can consistent with getting some fruit. Two years ago, I bought two small fig trees in gallon pots from Edible Landscaping in Virginia. One was a Brown Turkey (or Chicago) type. The other one was a "Negroni"(sp?) variety which gets black figs. Last year, they were in 14" pots on my patio on the East side of the house. At the end of the year, I got several figs from the Brown Turkey tree. Both trees are now about 3 feet tall and 3 feet wide. In the winter, I store them in an unheated garage. I do put them up against the house wall, though, which probably adds a few degrees. Rochester, NY, is right on Lake Ontario. We are in zone 5 - 6, I would say. Last year, we had 6 days with below zero (Fahrenheit) temperatures. Our winter low was about -10 F. The two winters before that were very unusual. We had no below 0 temepratures! We've been below 0 quite a bit this year. I have heard of people locally who grow figs in the ground in protected spots. I read about another method that is supposed to work in an issue of Organic Gardening a couple years back. You grow the tree in the ground until late fall. At that point, you cut all of the roots on one side and bend the tree over to the ground. Cover with some combination of leaves, soil, and/or tarp so that the tree is somewhat insulated. In the spring, straighten the tree up and stake until it is stable again. I hope this information has been helpful. Are there any more people interested in this subject? Jeffrey Snyder Eastman Kodak Company jcs@alnitak.kodak.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:32:38 EST 1994 Article: 25048 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Vermiculture (worms) Date: 6 Jan 1994 15:24:46 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 39 Message-ID: <2ghafu$pam@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <1994Jan6.095146.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] jbrooks@eagle.wesleyan.edu wrote: : Does anyone out there grow worms? I am planning to try out a small bin in the : garage as a cold weather composting system for kitchen "waste", fish bait : factory and to get the added benefit of great fertilizer. I've read differing : comments on how big a container is needed and what are the minimum tempretures : needed for good growth and activity. Any comments/suggestions from your : experience is much appreciated. : Jeff Brooks Hi Jeff. Last year I started vermicomposting in my kitchen. THE book to get is Worms Eat My Garbage by Mary Appelhof, 1982, published by Flower Press in Kalamazoo, Mich. Check out your library. I ordered a kit from a mail-order source here in Canada and it came with everything (box, bedding, moisture meter, gloves, trowel, instructions and of course the worms). I checked my book and it said that redworms (red wrigglers) tolerate a wide range of temperatures but should NOT freeze. The author had them as low as 50F and said best feeding and conversion of waste would be at 55 to 77F and should not be above 84F (cooked worms I guess). The plastic bin I have is about 2 feet square and maybe 16 inches deep. I use top soil as the bedding. Have read that you can use newspaper or cardboard. I tried strips of newspaper but did not like it and I don't think the worms did either (I opened the lid and they were crawling up the sides which I have never seen them do - usually you open the lid and never see any worms until you start digging - they don't like light at all). For a three person household, I have to change the bedding about every 3-4 months. This takes a bit of time because I pick out al the worms. There are suggestions in the book for various ways to do this. I keep a small container near the sink (covered with one of those net umbrella things you can buy at kitchen gadget shops so the flies don't get in). Every few days, I take all the scraps and put them in the food processor until I get a pile of finely chopped scraps. I have tried putting things in fairly whole but found it works much more quickly this way. I really enjoy doing this and not having to go out in the winter to the compost and it's kind of fun to watch the whole process go on. If you have any more questions, feel free to e-mail me. Jan jlupson@uoguelph.ca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!eos1!robert Thu Jan 13 09:32:39 EST 1994 Article: 25049 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!eos1!robert From: robert@atmos.washington.edu (Robert Pincus) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Worm Bin Plans (was Re: Vermiculture) Date: 6 Jan 1994 17:14:06 GMT Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ghgsu$4v0@news.u.washington.edu> References: <2ghafu$pam@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Reply-To: robert@atmos.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: eos1.atmos.washington.edu Just a reminder - I have a Postscript file available via anonymous ftp to eos2.atmos.washington.edu (WormBin.ps) which describes the construction, care and feeding of a worm bin for composting home food wastes. Go wrigglers! --- Robert Pincus Geophysics Program AK-50 University of Washington Seattle WA 98195 robert@geophys.washington.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!inet.d48.lilly.com!coffee.d51.lilly.com!EBS Thu Jan 13 09:32:39 EST 1994 Article: 25050 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!inet.d48.lilly.com!coffee.d51.lilly.com!EBS Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Message-ID: From: EBS@LILLY.COM (Eric B. Stauffer) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 12:02:13 Distribution: world Organization: Eli Lilly and Company Keywords: HELP! Bulbs coming up. Nntp-Posting-Host: coffee.d51.lilly.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Lines: 8 I bought a house two year ago and each year I have bulbs (daffodil) that seem to come up earlier and earlier. I went out yesterday morning and the things were coming up. I live in Indianapolis (what zone??) Any ideas? Eric ebs@lilly.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!biosci!barrnet.net!nntp.crl.com!crl2.crl.com!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:32:40 EST 1994 Article: 25051 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!biosci!barrnet.net!nntp.crl.com!crl2.crl.com!not-for-mail From: burkhard@crl.com (Tom Burkhard) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Subject: seed catalogs? Date: 6 Jan 1994 08:50:26 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [login: guest] Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl2.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1509 rec.gardens:25051 Does anyone have any good sources for seeds (or plants) for someone who would like to grow herbs at home. I already grow basil, tarragon, and some of the more common herbs but I'd like to try some of the less common ones--like Valerian for instance. (BTW, this is the first time I've attempted to x-post so forgive me if I mess it up. ) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Burkhard (burkhard@crl.com) Atlanta (Norcross), Georgia, USA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bnrgate!bcars267!nbrwh130!tigger Thu Jan 13 09:32:40 EST 1994 Article: 25052 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bnrgate!bcars267!nbrwh130!tigger From: tigger@nbrwh130.bnr.ca (Jeff Skinner) Subject: Re: Chinese Evergreen Message-ID: <1994Jan6.161841.26645@bnr.ca> Sender: news@bnr.ca (usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: nbrwh130 Reply-To: tigger@x400gate.bnr.ca Organization: Northern Telecom Public Switching, Bramalea Product Tech. S908 References: <6957@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 16:18:41 GMT Lines: 46 In article <6957@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM>, bhoule@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Bill Houle) writes: _][can I discuss houseplants here too? couldn't find anyplace more _]appropriate...] _] _]I have a Chinese Evergreen (I think that's the name) in a 10" pot _]with low to moderate light. There are 4 stalks about 1.5" thick, and _]they total about 3' high. _] _]The problem is the thing is starting to look ratty. The leaves _]grow very large, and eventually the weight bends the leaf stems _]over, they get yellow & mushy, and finally die. It used to be a _]rather full plant, but now it is getting 'stemmy' (I see more stalk _]than leaves). _] _]Is there anything I can do, or has it just gotten too darn big? _]Most of the Evergreens I've seen at other places are much smaller, _]and consequently, fuller. _] _]-- _]Bill Houle bhoule@npg-sd.ScrippsRanchCA.NCR.COM _]NCR NPD-San Diego (619) 693-5593 I am curious whether you relocated it prior to this stuff happening ? I bought one of these handsome plants from a Garden Centre in the fall. When I brought it home it exhibited a lot of the behavior you described. I interpreted this as an adaptation to the change of environment which is certainly drier and less bright than the greenhouse environment it was grown in. Now it seems healthy but is a bit less full than it was when I bought it. So did you change its location or your heating /humidity parameters in some other way ? Just a guess and if anyone has ideas about what could be happening with this plant I'd like to hear about it. Regards - Jeff Skinner (tigger@x400gate.bnr.ca) The company I work for (All the way up to the CEO) collectively stands in awe of every word I utter, so you may safely assume that anything I say is Northern Telecom Company Policy. (Unh hunh, Unh hunh) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!news.service.uci.edu!unogate!olxezeh Thu Jan 13 09:32:41 EST 1994 Article: 25053 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!news.service.uci.edu!unogate!olxezeh From: olxezeh@lafayette.unocal.com (Zeh Account) Subject: Request: Pourtporri (sp?!) Message-ID: Sender: news@unocal.com (Unocal USENET News) Organization: Unocal Corporation, Lafayette, Louisiana Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:56:34 GMT Lines: 5 could someone please tell me how to dry flowers for pourtporri? I would also like to know if anyone know how to put dry flowers in oil ( dor decoration and for taking baths with). Please email me or post. Thanks! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!walter!rutgers!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius Thu Jan 13 09:32:42 EST 1994 Article: 25054 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!walter!rutgers!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius From: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu (Bob Klebba) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Thalictrum Message-ID: <1994Jan6.003516.20836@nicmad.uucp> Date: 6 Jan 94 00:35:16 GMT Sender: usenet@nicmad.uucp Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corporation Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: mac1_04 X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1 I'm interested in growing more meadow rues. I've grown Thalictrum aquilegifolium from seed and have been quite pleased with it. It makes a great, long lasting cut flower as well. How about the other meadow rues? T. rochebrunianum (they all have such long names) seems interesting as does a yellow-flowering species I saw in T&M. Is 'Hewitt's Double' worth the money? I'd like to grow these from seed, since I found T. aquilegifolium very easy. Thanks. Bob Klebba Madison, Wisconsin, USDA zone 4 Inet: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu "Submit to Barney" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.mentorg.com!rreid!rreid Thu Jan 13 09:32:42 EST 1994 Article: 25055 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.mentorg.com!rreid!rreid From: rreid@rreid.mentorg.com (Richard Reid) Subject: Apple Trees from Stark Bros. Message-ID: <1994Jan06.193929.15896@news.mentorg.com> Sender: rreid@rreid (Richard Reid) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 1994 19:39:29 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: rreid.mentorg.com Organization: mentor Keywords: apples, fruit trees, vendor, grower, nursery Followup-To: Lines: 28 I recently got a catalog from Stark Bros Inc. The cover featured a couple of apple trees called colonade. Claimed that they grow eight feet tall and two feet wide. They also produce a full crop of full size (?) apples. I was wondering if anybody has experience growing apples in such a manner. I've seen pictures of three foot trees in pots with apples. What varieties work best? What root stock does it grow on? What is its life expectancy? Any comments would prove helpful Also, can anyone comment on Stark Bros. Quality? Service? Price Comparisons? I tend to buy locally (or try to). Thanks rick -- Rick Reid rreid@wv.mentorg.com -- Mentor Graphics Corporation "He looked so aloof out there and ran the bases in the wrong direction" refering to Carl Egger (1985-1993) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:32:43 EST 1994 Article: 25056 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Dwarf walnut tree Message-ID: <2ghheb$n4k@eis.calstate.edu> From: bmoon@eis.calstate.edu (Bruce A. Moon) Date: 6 Jan 1994 09:23:23 -0800 References: Organization: California Technology Project of The Calif State Univ NNTP-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Lines: 11 While I don't think it qualifies as a dwarf, a local wholesaler is offering a variety that is recommended for hedgerow planting. Two catches here: this is the West coast and the new varieties are so popular that there are two year waiting lists. I have another variety that bore three nuts the first year; crows got them , though. The rootstock that promotes early bearing is Paradox; it's bred for California so I don't know how it would do in MA. Dwarfing a 50' tree may not be terribly meaningful. 50% dwarfing= 25 ft. tree. Of course, they will only get as tall as you let them.:) -- Bruce Moon Rio Linda, CA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!EU.net!ieunet!maths.tcd.ie!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:32:44 EST 1994 Article: 25057 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!EU.net!ieunet!maths.tcd.ie!not-for-mail From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Info about Air Plants Date: 6 Jan 1994 21:44:36 -0000 Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 9 Message-ID: <2gi0o4$t8k@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: salmon.maths.tcd.ie I bought an 'air plant' today. Does anyone have more information on these things? P. -- moorcockdenislearypratchettdelasouliainmbanksneworderheathersu2batmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y "Hey, you know, I met a lot of cool chicks, but james dublin ireland I never met a girl with all her own teeth" -NO brownbladerunnersugarcubesjohnwooelectronicblaylockpowershiassenham'ncornpizza From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!butch!zuni.litc.lockheed.com!sharen Thu Jan 13 09:32:45 EST 1994 Article: 25058 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!butch!zuni.litc.lockheed.com!sharen From: sharen@zuni.litc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) Subject: Re: Orchid Mail Order Companies Message-ID: Sender: news@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com Organization: Information Technology Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <2gcbrd$em1@unix.sri.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 22:26:03 GMT Lines: 29 Nathaniel Bletter (nat@od.sri.com) wrote: : Does anyone know of any good mail order companies for orchids. I have the catalog : for Oak Hill gardens, but I'd like to widen my selection. I see by your sig you're at SRI - in Menlo Park? - if so there are several orchid growers in the Santa Cruz county area that you may be interested in checking out on a weekend or during the week if you can get away my sister-in-law picked up a beautiful cymbidium orchid for her mom for Christmas : Also, are there any e-mailing lists for people interested in orchids? : Thanks, : Nat Bletter : SRI International : nat@od.sri.com : (415) 859-4358 -- ____________ __ ____________ "They that can give up essential \_____ / /_ \ \ _____/ liberty to obtain a little \_____ \____/ \____/ _____/ temporary safety deserve \_____ _____/ neither liberty nor safety." \___________ ___________/ --Benjamin Franklin / \ ALL disclaimers apply .... ~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!butch!zuni.litc.lockheed.com!sharen Thu Jan 13 09:32:46 EST 1994 Article: 25059 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!butch!zuni.litc.lockheed.com!sharen From: sharen@zuni.litc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) Subject: Re: Are wood ashes any good for gardens? Message-ID: Sender: news@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com Organization: Information Technology Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <2gfcgm$k3j@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 22:30:47 GMT Lines: 33 Richard J. Pauls (pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu) wrote: : I am begining to accumulate a good pile of ashes from my fireplace. : I have heard that these are good for the garden, but I wanted to : check it out with the experts. If they are good, how much should I : use? How and when do I apply them? Now? in Spring? Should I add : them to my compost pile? or just scatter them on the groung when tilling? yep I just sprinkle them on as they accumulate - also add grass cuttings, egg shells, coffee grounds, take the veggie cuttings & whirl them in the blender (don't want rodents finding the bigger pieces) turn the soil periodically - this year I'm adding a bit of manure to season up the ground a bit but otherwise just work this stuff & composte in to the soil - I have soil on top of sand so I have to keep turning and adding to the soil with the above or else the stuff dkeeps wanting to turn to rock have have some great beans, beets, radishes, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, cilantro, carrots, etc from it...... : Thanks : Rich -- ____________ __ ____________ "They that can give up essential \_____ / /_ \ \ _____/ liberty to obtain a little \_____ \____/ \____/ _____/ temporary safety deserve \_____ _____/ neither liberty nor safety." \___________ ___________/ --Benjamin Franklin / \ ALL disclaimers apply .... ~~~~~~ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!das!hartman Thu Jan 13 09:32:48 EST 1994 Article: 25060 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!das!hartman From: hartman@das.harvard.edu (Anthony Hartman) Subject: Re: Apple Trees from Stark Bros. Message-ID: <1994Jan6.233805.3817@das.harvard.edu> Keywords: apples, fruit trees, vendor, grower, nursery Sender: usenet@das.harvard.edu (Network News) Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University References: <1994Jan06.193929.15896@news.mentorg.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 23:38:05 GMT Lines: 23 In article <1994Jan06.193929.15896@news.mentorg.com>, rreid@rreid.mentorg.com (Richard Reid) writes: |> I recently got a catalog from Stark Bros Inc. The cover featured |> a couple of apple trees called colonade. Claimed that they |> grow eight feet tall and two feet wide. They also produce a full |> crop of full size (?) apples. |> |> I was wondering if anybody has experience growing apples in such |> a manner. I've seen pictures of three foot trees in pots with |> apples. |> I believe that this type of apple was developed in Canada originally but was never sold commercially. A recent Victory Garden visited the apple orchards at Kew I believe. They had been developing them for sale to people who did not have a lot of room for an apple tree, not even a conventional dwarf. The examples they had on the show were taller than eight feet but with no wide side branching. They said that they would soon be available from nurseries. I saw them in a recent gardening magazine which was devoted to new plants for 1994. If anyone wants the name of the magazine, let me know and I will find it. -- Tony Hartman hartman@harvard.harvard.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!infonode!usenet Thu Jan 13 09:32:49 EST 1994 Article: 25061 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!infonode!usenet From: debradfo@ingr.com Subject: Re:Fruit trees in zone 5 Message-ID: <1994Jan6.232333.27877@infonode.ingr.com> Sender: usenet@infonode.ingr.com (Usenet Administrator) Organization: Intergraph Plotting X-Newsreader: Distribution: na Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 23:23:33 GMT Lines: 50 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25061 misc.rural:7363 In article <1280@smith.CHI.IL.US> leah@smith.chi.il.us (L.A.Z. Smith) writes: >I'm interested in hearing about other people's experiences with little >fruit trees, especially in terms of ease of care, and also which varieties >have the best flavor. > >We've ruled out plums, since we both have had bad experiences with fungus, >and we're hesitating about apples, since our previous tree seemed to need >constant spraying if the crop wasn't going to be completely worm-ridden. > >What can we expect with cherries (tart and sweet), pears, Asian pears (are >there any hardy in zone 4?) and peaches? I am not a dyed-in-the-wool >organic grower, but spraying is a big pain. Are there ways to avoid >having to do it every two weeks? I don't need gorgeous fruit, but would >like to avoid worms. > >Also has anyone grown native fruits like persimmons and pawpaw? Are they >delicious enough to be worth giving space to? > >Anyone's comments on the subject of fruit growing and edible landscaping >generally would be welcome. > >Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us I am on a similar search for no-spray fruits. I had a peach tree once. I will never again grow a peach. It was a magnet for plum curculio and fungal diseases. Sure, if you spray with enough carcinogens you can get good fruit, but I am a born-again organic gardener now. Even the _Gardens Alive_ organic catalog says that there is no good organic way to control plum curculio. My solution? Grow things that don't require spraying. I have planted pawpaw, figs, and rabbiteye blueberries . Supposedly, neither of the trees gets attacked by worms or diseases to speak of. (I should point out that I just planted the trees last year and they have not gotten to fruit bearing size yet). Rabbiteye blueberries are on my MUST PLANT list for anyone. No pests, no pruning, great fruit, and beautiful fall color! Like you, I am looking for good eatin' things to grow which I don't have to spray. I understand that oriental persimmons are pest-free. My parents' neighbor (Zone 7) has a tree that this year had some beautiful giant persimmons. I don't like to eat native persimmons. So what else is there? Any other native fruits? How about Asian pears? I read about a "Jostaberry" that is pest free, supposedly good eating cross between gooseberries and currants. Is it worth growing? Thanks for any input. Dave Bradford debradfo@ingr.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!yale!gumby!wmichgw!157ochs Thu Jan 13 09:32:50 EST 1994 Article: 25062 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!yale!gumby!wmichgw!157ochs From: 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Gingko Message-ID: <1994Jan6.185557.13806@gw.wmich.edu> Date: 6 Jan 94 18:55:57 EST References: <1993Dec7.211140.8127@macc.wisc.edu> <93344.152850U45218@uicvm.uic.edu> Followup-To: rec.birds,rec.gardens Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 30 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.birds:7955 rec.gardens:25062 In article , toddh@eskimo.com (Todd Huston) writes: > Jeffrey A. Del Col (br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: > > : In a previous article, thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca () says: > > : >In a previous article, x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu wrote: > : >> > : >>I didn't know they were edible. Ginkgo "fruits" have the odor of rancid > : >>butter.(PU!) ^^^^^^ > : ^^^^^^^ > > : How about "fresh vomit?" > > : Back in the neolithic era when I was an undergraduate, I lived in dorm > : that had half a dozen female ginkgo trees in the courtyard. One morning > : I woke up convinced that my roommate had done the big spit after a night's > : drinking, but I soon discovered that the source of the stench was the > : ginkgo grove. All of them were loaded with fruit and stinky as hell. > : The butyric acid fume level was incredible. > > : However, once you wash off the wretched (all puns intended) fleshy covering, > : the nuts are tasty. -- Oh, maybe I'll have to try them some day. I didn't think anyone would even think about eating something that smelled so bad! Jeff Ochs From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!timbuk.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv Thu Jan 13 09:32:51 EST 1994 Article: 25063 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!timbuk.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv From: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe) Subject: Re: Poinsetta problems Message-ID: <1994Jan6.155926.7027@walter.cray.com> Lines: 30 Sender: gwv@eastrg2 (George Vandenberghe) Nntp-Posting-Host: eastrg2-gate.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. References: <2gg2ne$g8q@mailhost.interaccess.com> Date: 6 Jan 94 15:59:25 CST In article , ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill) writes: |> In article <2gg2ne$g8q@mailhost.interaccess.com>, |> Edmund Taylor wrote: |> > I have been attempting to grow a poinsetta plant indoors for |> >years, but I could never get them to flower in the wintertime. I've been |> >told to keep them in the dark for a certain period of time during the |> >winter months, but this only results in loss of leaves. What am I missing |> >here? Any help would be appreciated. |> > |> You're not keeping them in the dark permanently, are you? I believe the |> rule of thumb is 14 hours of dark, 10 of light per day to induce the color |> change. |> |> -- |> Andy Hill |> ahill@boi.hp.com It will also help if you can give them night temperatures between 55 and 65 degrees and brilliant sunlight during the short days. If you find this combination difficult or impossible to duplicate in your home, you are not alone. I have never gotten a poinsettia to make decent bracts the second year. They are plentiful and cheap in stores and this is one plant I just spend a few bucks on every christmas. I prefer paperwhites (but their odor is a matter of taste) and hyacinths and amaryllis and citrus for my winter houseplants. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!gumby!wmichgw!157ochs Thu Jan 13 09:32:52 EST 1994 Article: 25064 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!gumby!wmichgw!157ochs From: 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Roses: what do I do now ? Message-ID: <1994Jan6.190214.13807@gw.wmich.edu> Date: 6 Jan 94 19:02:14 EST References: <2f4pci$c9r@engage.sps.mot.com> <1993Dec30.222018.26241@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 28 In article <1993Dec30.222018.26241@casbs.Stanford.EDU>, kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) writes: > In article <2f4pci$c9r@engage.sps.mot.com> fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq Butt) writes: >> >>OK, OK I couldn't resist, our local "Home Depot" had a massive sale on >>roses and I bought a couple. The roses consisted of wax-covered canes >>and trimmed roots. The roots were wrapped in some kind of high-tech >>material filled with moist mulch. The question is what do I do ? I >>have already dug holes and put two of 'em (Chrysler Imperials) in the >>ground. Is this the correct thing to do, given that it is winter? If >>not what should one do ? I want to give these roses a good start so >>that I get a few of them reaaaal early :-) in spring. BTW: the other >>rose I got was "John F. Kennedy" anyone know how fragrant this one is ? >>Chrysler Imperial, I do know about... > > In Austin, you should be fine. If the forecast is for temps below 20 > degrees. -- Are new roses more tender than old ones? Our roses here in Michigan seem to survive our cold winters, where temps have already fallen below -20F this winter. Also, off the subject, Dusty Miller seems to be hardy enough to survive, if covered by snow. We have Chrysler Imperial roses that have lasted through many harsh winters, so yours should be around awhile! Jeff Ochs (157ochs@gw.wich.edu and X92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet Thu Jan 13 09:32:53 EST 1994 Article: 25065 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: TELEM@delphi.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Hibiscus Syriacus Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 19:51:14 EST Organization: Delphi Internet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <940106.71474.TELEM@delphi.com> References: <2g2nfa$9i0@engage.sps.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1c.delphi.com "THE HIBISCUS HANDBOOK" REFERS TO IT AS DECIDUOUS, MULTIPLE-STEMMED, LOW-BRANCHED, STIFFLY-ERECT- GROWING MEDIUM TO LARGE SIZED SHRUB OR OCCASIONALLY A SMALL TREE 2-3.5M OR MORE HIGH. - - - - HARDY TO ZONE 5" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!caen!nic.umass.edu!noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!stratus!cork!jane Thu Jan 13 09:32:54 EST 1994 Article: 25066 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!caen!nic.umass.edu!noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!stratus!cork!jane From: jane@cork.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Roses in half-barrels & severe pruning Message-ID: <631.15831@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> Date: 7 Jan 94 00:50:07 GMT References: <2g9tqk$qp8@news.bu.edu> Sender: news@SWDC.Stratus.COM Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: cork >Has anyone >successfully grown hybrid teas in half-barrels, which would allow them >at least some amount of root space (and allow me to take them with me >when I move? I've grown them successfully in 5-gallon plastic pots. I had a Sutter's Gold and a Sterling Silver that followed me from apartment to apartment for something like 7 years. Warning: potted roses will die if not watered every couple days. Both mine died when I was on vacation and a friend forgot to water them. I've currently got two English roses happily growing in 5 gallon pots, as well. > >Can roses recover from a severe pruning? If I cut down the canes to 2 >feet or so, will they sprout again? There are no leaves on the lower >2 feet; it looks like if I cut it back it would just die. > Be of stout heart, and take thy secateurs in hand! Hybrid teas seem to *thrive* on hard pruning! REALLY hard pruning. When we moved into our house, there was an ancient tree rose that was mostly dead, and had the spindly growth problem described. I pruned it back almost to the graft on every cane, then fertilized heavily with Roots for Roses. It burst into leaf and bloomed *immensely* and has obligingly done so after every hard pruning since. Go for it! Shear that overgrown branch back to a nub with two or three old leaf scars, and watch the magic! -- Jilara [jane@swdc.stratus.com] That's how freedom will end: not with a bang, but with a rustle of file folders. If you love any of your rights, defend all of them! -Joe Chew, on the net From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc4!kagay Thu Jan 13 09:32:55 EST 1994 Article: 25067 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc4!kagay Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: orchids newsgroup Message-ID: From: kagay@husc4.harvard.edu (christopher kagay) Date: 6 Jan 94 23:29:14 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Keywords: orchids NNTP-Posting-Host: husc4.harvard.edu Lines: 7 If you're interested in seeing the newsgroup alt.flowers.orchids (or something like that) created please post a note to that effect on alt.config Thanks, Chris Kagay kagay@husc.harvard.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!decwrl!adobe!kolling Thu Jan 13 09:32:56 EST 1994 Article: 25068 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!decwrl!adobe!kolling From: kolling@adobe.com (Karen Kolling) Subject: Re: HOW TO CARE FOR GARDENIA BUSH Message-ID: <1994Jan6.233353.29221@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View References: <2gd6ol$oph@newscast.West.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 23:33:53 GMT Lines: 48 In article <2gd6ol$oph@newscast.West.Sun.COM> mark@frodo.West.Sun.COM writes: >In article 3v5@odin.corp.sgi.com, news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) writes: >-|I have been trying unsuccessfully for a year to plant a Gardenia bush in >-|the backyard. They lasted for about a month before the flowers fall off >-|and the bush would turn black and die. >-| >-|I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I haven't over water or feed them. >-| >-|HELP!! > >In my novice hands, gardenias have proven to be very fickle indeed. I >had to move my gardenia three times to get it to grow and flower. Even >then, the flower buds will turn black and fall off for no apparent reason >although the rest of the plant is thriving. I believe the bud drops is >due to temperature/humidity, but I am not sure. Maybe someone on the net >could enlighten the both of us. > >One thing I do know is that it is an acid loving plant (ala Camellias) >so you definitely want to verify the soil is appropriately prepared. This >time of the year my two gardenias get a nice mulch of ex-Xmas trees (pine >needles are acidic) and this seems to give them a flying start in spring. I've had a row of August Beauty gardenias planted against my house for a number of years. I keep them pruned down to about two to three feet high with hedge shears. gardenias love water... and they seem to be surface rooters. So I water them relatively briefly a couple of times a week in the dry season (summer) (they are heavily mulched -- before that I had to water them every day) and spray the entire plant to soak the leaves as well, except when they're in bloom -- touching a gardenia petal with anything including water causes a brown spot. If the leaves start to turn yellow then brown or the buds turn brown under this regime, the plant is saying it needs more, more water. In the early spring the plants tend to look somewhat under the weather and slightly yellowish over all, which I fix by sprinkling iron chelate(sp?) around each plant and watering it in. That's it. I ignore the occasional stickiness of the leaves from aphids or whatever, or hose it off. They're pretty much in full sun in the morning, as they're against an east facing wall of the house. In winter (our rainy season) I hardly ever have to water them. -- Karen Kolling kolling@adobe.com ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ ^._.^ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!psinntp!megatest!sfisher Thu Jan 13 09:32:57 EST 1994 Article: 25069 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!psinntp!megatest!sfisher From: sfisher@megatest.com (Scott Fisher) Subject: Re: looking for prop. tools Message-ID: Organization: Megatest Corporation References: <2gf36m$s1a@morrow.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 22:32:33 GMT Lines: 21 In article <2gf36m$s1a@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze) writes: >I have been looking for years for small tools for digging up rooted >cuttings and tiny seedlings. The tool in particular looks something >like a small spoon with a serrated edge; does anyone know what I am >talking about or have seen something like this in a catalog? > >Karen There's an item called a Widger or Widgetthat I bought last year for transplanting and digging up small plants and seedlings. It looks like a two-sided shoehorn, one side is narrower than another. I found it was excellent for doing the kinds of things you mention. I got mine at Common Ground, which is near you at El Camino and College. I saw one there yesterday when I dropped in to sign up for a fruit tree pruning class. No serrations, but if you can't find this maybe it could substitute. --Kim Fisher From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:32:58 EST 1994 Article: 25070 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Info about Air Plants Message-ID: <1994Jan6.203441.21256@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 6 Jan 94 20:34:41 -0600 References: <2gi0o4$t8k@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 14 In article <2gi0o4$t8k@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>, pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes: > I bought an 'air plant' today. Does anyone have more information > on these things? There are several things sold as "air plants", including some dyed animal remains (sea invertebrate, kinda "feathery-looking", usually colored kelly green). The other thing that's often sold as an air plant is Bryophyllum leaves... these are real leaves that sprout tiny plantlets along the serrated leaf edges. Can you describe your purchase? Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:32:59 EST 1994 Article: 25071 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Piper sarmentosum source? Message-ID: <1994Jan6.204004.21257@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 6 Jan 94 20:40:04 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 19 Please reply to Jeff, not me, if you happen to know about Piper sarmentosum. Thanks. From: IN%"WELCH@NIEHS.NIH.GOV" 5-JAN-1994 09:35:16.22 To: IN%"klier@cobra.uni.edu" CC: Subj: A Favor? This is Jeff Welch from the CP discussion group. I saw your name on the rec.gardens list and I was wondering how you post to this group. I don't have their E-mail address if this is how its done. I can read them through Gopher. If its not a simple matter to post a message could you put one up for me? I'm looking for a source of Cha Plu (Piper sarmentosum), a plant used in some Thai cooking. Thanks! Jeff From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!unogate!olxezeh Thu Jan 13 09:33:00 EST 1994 Article: 25072 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!unogate!olxezeh From: olxezeh@lafayette.unocal.com (Zeh Account) Subject: RE: Air Plants Message-ID: Sender: news@unocal.com (Unocal USENET News) Organization: Unocal Corporation, Lafayette, Louisiana Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 01:13:16 GMT Lines: 5 My Mom had a couple of them for years. You do absolutely nothing to them. I don't know big they usually are but my Mom's air plants were small. She put them in miniature pitchers that sat in bowls and just left them alone. They really didn't grow - from what I remember. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news Thu Jan 13 09:33:01 EST 1994 Article: 25073 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news From: kcarroll@u.washington.edu (Kris Carroll) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Date: 7 Jan 1994 04:25:52 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2gio8g$jbm@news.u.washington.edu> References: <19940105083936.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: koko.pathology.washington.edu In article <19940105083936.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Roger.Duvall@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Roger Duvall) writes: > There are a lot of variables regarding sunlight. If it's too > shady, your plants won't bloom. How about 4 hours of direct > morning sunlight? I've several azalea that don't know this :) O hours direct sunlight and covered with bloom every spring. Kris Carroll - who keeps forgetting her zone. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!destroyer!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news!cln.etc.bc.ca!latkinso Thu Jan 13 09:33:02 EST 1994 Article: 25074 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!destroyer!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news!cln.etc.bc.ca!latkinso From: latkinso@cln.etc.bc.ca (Lynda Atkinson,992-2131,,747-4470) Subject: Re: Adding organic matter to established lawns Message-ID: <1994Jan7.050009.23892@news.etc.bc.ca> Originator: latkinso@cln Sender: news@news.etc.bc.ca Organization: Education Technology Centre of B.C. Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 05:00:09 GMT Lines: 24 Regarding adding organic materials to "georgia" clay. I am sure that adding organic material to the lawn will help, either by top dressing or tilling in. However, it has been my experience with blue clay, (not red), that sand is what has made the difference for us, probably if you till in and reseed. Our heavy, clay soil, even after bags and bags of peatmoss, and horse manure, and everything we could afford in the way of organic material, continued to form hard, clumpy masses, no friable, nice, healthy, warm the gardeners heart kind of soil. So last year in desparation we got in a load of sand, tending towards sandy loam, but definitely identifiable as sand, and voila!, lovely soil that carrots love to grow through, and the lettuce just purrs. The fellow who brought the sand also suggested that what we really needed was a load of rich peat soil, and maybe we will use that again, but we are really pleased with what the sand does with the clay. I still don't understand why more organic material is recommended for clay when clay is heavily composed of organic material, or am I wrong? Any answers would be appreciated. Lynda, slave to the golden hoard, I also landscape with dogs. Anyone else have dogs that pick and eat berries by themselves? From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!scifi!acheron!hawnews.watson.ibm.com!vnet.ibm.com!chrisw Thu Jan 13 09:33:03 EST 1994 Article: 25075 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!scifi!acheron!hawnews.watson.ibm.com!vnet.ibm.com!chrisw From: chrisw@iago.endicott.ibm.com (Christopher Wyse) Subject: Re: Fruit Trees in zone 5 Sender: news@hawnews.watson.ibm.com (NNTP News Poster) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 21:07:00 GMT Lines: 8 Reply-To: cwyse@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: iago.endicott.ibm.com Organization: IBM Owego Miller Nursery has a large selection of hardy fruit and nut trees for zone 5. I don't have their address, but it is in the finger lake region of NY. -- Chris Wyse cwyse@vnet.ibm.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!NewsWatcher!user Thu Jan 13 09:33:04 EST 1994 Article: 25076 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!NewsWatcher!user From: epur01@email.mot.com (Don Burns) Subject: Re: Info about Air Plants Organization: MOTOROLA Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 04:33:41 GMT Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.gardens References: <2gi0o4$t8k@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News) Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.2.38.70 Lines: 35 In article <2gi0o4$t8k@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>, pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) wrote: > I bought an 'air plant' today. Does anyone have more information > on these things? > > P. It is likely, Paul, that you have a Tillandsia which is a bromeliad. (The bromeliad we are all familiar with is the pineapple.) There are many types of these plants but all have important features that you need to understand to be able to grow them. When I first arrived down this way 23 years ago I found one on a road, picked it up, stuck it in some dirt and watered it. It died. These plants are epiphytes - they grow in trees and on other woody plants. (They are not parasites as some have labeled them and they don't destroy their hosts.) I've seen them on telephone poles as well although I can't imagine that they enjoy the creosote. Air plants absorb moisture from the air in the wild, both through their roots as well as the green parts. The roots will grow to cling to a host. If its not already mounted to a piece of wood or tree firm, you can try strapping it to one with the root system touching the substrate. If the environment is right the plant will attach itself. Otherwise you can plant it in a pot (clay suggested) with a planting medium made up of very porous fir bark. Chopped up tree fern will also do. Assuming you are up north somewhere, mist the plant with a spray bottle once a day or so, making sure it dries out within an hour or two. Give it bright to full sunlight if possible. Good luck! -- Don Burns Plantation, Florida epur01@email.mot.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:33:05 EST 1994 Article: 25077 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Oriental poppies Message-ID: <100191@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 00:41:29 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <1994Jan1.115334.28003@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> Lines: 11 The Thompson-Morgan catalog carries a fair selection. i haven't got their address or phone number handy, but it shouldbe available from 1-880-555-1212 (in the US)-- They also advertise in most gardening periodicals. Re: importing seeds, laws vary with locale, but it usually isn't a problem (plants are more difficult). Generally with seeds, there are only a few varieties which are banned because they spread quickly and can pose a threat to native species. For particulars, though, you'll nedd to check with your local agricultural office. on second thought, in my experience, most of the larger seed catalogs are aware of the regional laws, and either note import bans in the catalog, or will tell you if you place a phone order. Good luck. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:33:06 EST 1994 Article: 25078 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Question about Rosemary Plant Message-ID: <100194@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 00:52:00 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <2g55ao$j6h@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <2g7ji1INNi0d@network.ucsd.edu> Lines: 9 Rosemary can thrive in a wide range of conditions. (I have 3 bushes in my yard which is practically a bog in winter, so i know that they will grow, and flower even with heavy watering). You may, however want to keep the amount of water low if you plan to keep it in a container. Rosemary is, by nature, a bush which can grow to be 6-8 feet tall. it doesn't much care for life in a container (I had a plant outgrow a 5 gallon pot in 2 years). Low water may prolong it's longevity in the container. Also, while it is not necessary to pinch the flowers, doing so might help, as it forces the plant to put more energy into branching (versus root development). From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:33:06 EST 1994 Article: 25079 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Help! How to thicken basil plant? Message-ID: <100197@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 01:02:37 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: usa References: <2gas96$ped@agate.berkeley.edu> Lines: 14 The best way to get basil to bush out is to pinch off the top set of leaves. There are upwards of a dozen vvarieties of basil, however, and they require (slightly) different growing conditions. Some varieties may not do so well in a small pot. If you are looking for a good container vaiety, you might want to try ball basil. Some varieties have small leaves (so that might be why you aren't getting any longer than 1"). If you are looking for basil with larger leaves, I'd recommend either Genovese, or lettuce-leaf basil. Nichol's Garden (catalog from oregon) carries several varieties, and i've had consistantly superior results with the seeds I've gotten from them. Re: fertilizer, unless the soil is very poor, you're better off without. Most herbs need very little in the way of fertilizer, and using it can actually detract from the plant 9for culinary purposes) because it reduces the production of essential oils. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:33:07 EST 1994 Article: 25080 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: <100200@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 01:14:10 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Lines: 8 I would heartily recommend Nichol's Gardens Herbs (out of Oregon). They carry a very good variety of both rare and common herbs (and some heirlooms as well). their prices are very reasonable, and perhaps most importantly, I've had the best luck with their seeds. (I place annual seed orders from up to a dozen companies). I haven't got their catalog handy, or I'd post the address. They advertise in organic gardening, and American Horticulture (and if you can't find either of these, you can probably get the number from Oregon information). From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!werple.apana.org.au!zikzak.apana.org.au!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:33:08 EST 1994 Article: 25082 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!werple.apana.org.au!zikzak.apana.org.au!not-for-mail From: audrey@zikzak.apana.org.au (Audrey Falconer) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Chocolate News Group? Date: 8 Jan 1994 00:17:08 +1100 Organization: Zikzak Public Access UNIX, Melbourne Australia Lines: 53 Message-ID: <2gjnd2$60o@zikzak.apana.org.au> References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gffne$71p@hub.ucsb.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64320 rec.food.veg:33396 rec.gardens:25082 >> On a similar topic, does anyone know if anything is happening with the >> chocolate newsgroup that someone was discussing a while back? >> >Wow! Chocolate?? This is really good news. When my wife hears this I'll >have NOOO problem justifying a new hard drive!! What's the scoop on this >proposal?? I want one too! What a magnificent idea! To whet your appetites, my favourite chocolate cake: Audrey's Chocolate Cake 250 g dark, bitter chocolate, roughly chopped. 100 g unsalted butter, roughly chopped. 100 g sugar. 4 eggs, separated. If small use an extra egg white. 75 g plain flour. 1 tablespoon strong coffee (optional) or water 1 tablespoon liqueur (optional) or water. Melt chocolate in basin over hot water with coffee, liqueur and/or water. Add butter cut into pieces, stir in until melted. Add sugar, egg yolks and lastly flour, then gently fold in stiffly beaten egg whites. Pour into greased and floured kugelhopf tin. Bake at 180 degrees C. for about 45 minutes. Notes: You must add the two tablespoons of liquid to the chocolate before melting it. Use the best chocolate you can get; the quality of the chocolate will affect the quality of the final cake. Use only unsalted butter; salt will affect the flavour adversely. Liqueurs you can use: rum, brandy, creme de cacao, or whatever you think will go nicely. The original version of the cake requires you to fill the central hole with 300 ml of lightly whipped cream, which is supposed to look like a snow-covered mountain. Hence the original name: "Chocolate Mont Blanc". Audrey -- Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne, Australia. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn Thu Jan 13 09:33:09 EST 1994 Article: 25083 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn From: nickn@sempco.UUCP (Nick Notestine) Message-ID: Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Automatic Watering in Conservatory References: Date: 7 Jan 94 00:51:12 CDT Organization: Sim's Electronic Musicians' Publishing Company Lines: 10 I got some self watering pots from franks nursery and they work great. they have a bottom resivoir and cary the water through dirt in the legs to the main pot and the main pot is also full of holes on the bottom for air. If you pour your water through the top and let it drain to the bottom and empty it it's just like a miniture hydro system. Nick Notestine Nick Notestine, please address E-Mail as follows, from INTERNET: sempco!nickn@wupost.wustl.edu UUCP: wupost.wustl.edu!sempco!nickn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn Thu Jan 13 09:33:10 EST 1994 Article: 25084 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn From: nickn@sempco.UUCP (Nick Notestine) Message-ID: Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: herbs Date: 7 Jan 94 00:55:53 CDT Organization: Sim's Electronic Musicians' Publishing Company Lines: 8 herb group would be great but is there any gaurentee the bbs im on would cary it? Nick Notestine Nick Notestine, please address E-Mail as follows, from INTERNET: sempco!nickn@wupost.wustl.edu UUCP: wupost.wustl.edu!sempco!nickn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!bounce-bounce Thu Jan 13 09:33:11 EST 1994 Article: 25085 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!bounce-bounce From: marty-m@cis.ohio-state.edu (Marty Marlatt) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Subject: Re: Fruit trees in zone 5 Date: 7 Jan 1994 08:33:46 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 33 Message-ID: <2gjobqINN3n5@lettuce.cis.ohio-state.edu> References: <1280@smith.CHI.IL.US> NNTP-Posting-Host: lettuce.cis.ohio-state.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25085 misc.rural:7372 Hi, Here's my 2 cents worth on fruit trees in zone 5. I live on the west side of Columbus, Ohio (actually on the west side of Hilliard) in an absolutely FLAT area. The trees all lean east because of the wind! I have a small orchard consisting of 1 peach, 4 apple, 1 montmorency (sour) cherry, 1 pear and up until last year 1 nectarine all of which are dwarf. Also 2 sweet cherries (starking gold and bing) and a damson plum all standard size trees. I spray when the blossoms are showing color, then again in a couple of weeks and 'maybe' one more time. The pears and plums are always vermin free as are the cherries (except for that pesky robin). The apples, nectarines and peaches are decent -- not grocery-store like, but you can eat them without being grossed out. The trees are all around 12 years old. The plum produced for the first time last year and it was loaded. The nectarine and peach are spotty at best -- too cold, too windy, and I haven't a clue as to what killed the nectarine (some borer I suppose). The sour cherry has always put forth a good crop and the sweet cherries do well also. The bing had a better crop than the starking gold last year. My apples are jonathan, red delicious, granny smith, and the fourth one escapes me. I would replace the granny smith with the new variety that's intended for a shorter growing season as my apples never seem to mature before really cold weather. Also the tree seems more interested in producing copius quantites of leaves rather than apples (which might just be this tree). And now that I think of it, it may not be a dwarf after all. Hope this helps (and yes, it may actually be 4 cents worth :-) ) Marty Marlatt marty-m@cis.ohio-state.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!newsflash.mitre.org!lkahn-mac.mitre.org!user Thu Jan 13 09:33:12 EST 1994 Article: 25086 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!newsflash.mitre.org!lkahn-mac.mitre.org!user From: lkahn@mitre.org (Mr Squop) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Fringe Tree Info? Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: 7 Jan 1994 14:58:42 GMT Organization: Society, for the Preservation, of Commas Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lkahn-mac.mitre.org I've seen (Chinese or Japanese?) fringe trees in flower in some local gardens and am considering planting one in an area that gets full sun, but is fairly near the house so I wouldn't want anything that grew taller than maybe 15 feet. How big do these things get, and are they attractive at other times of the year besides spring? Any info would be appreciated. Larry -- Larry Kahn "Winning isn't everything, but losing sucks." lkahn@mitre.org From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!decwrl!decwrl!csus.edu!bilge!tching Thu Jan 13 09:33:13 EST 1994 Article: 25087 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!decwrl!decwrl!csus.edu!bilge!tching From: tching@bilge.water.ca.gov (Rice Cube) Subject: Re: Gingko Message-ID: <1994Jan7.161155.16207@csus.edu> Followup-To: poster Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: Calif. Dept. of Water Resources References: <93344.152850U45218@uicvm.uic.edu> <1994Jan6.185557.13806@gw.wmich.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:11:55 GMT Lines: 39 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.birds:7967 rec.gardens:25087 In article <1994Jan6.185557.13806@gw.wmich.edu> 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes: >In article , toddh@eskimo.com (Todd Huston) writes: >> Jeffrey A. Del Col (br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: >> : In a previous article, thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca () says: >> : >In a previous article, x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu wrote: >> : >> >> : >>I didn't know they were edible. Ginkgo "fruits" have the odor of rancid >> : >>butter.(PU!) ^^^^^^ >> : ^^^^^^^ >> : How about "fresh vomit?" >> : The butyric acid fume level was incredible. >> : However, once you wash off the wretched (all puns intended) fleshy covering >> : the nuts are tasty. > Oh, maybe I'll have to try them some day. I didn't think anyone would > even think about eating something that smelled so bad! > Jeff Ochs OK!!! I've been following this thread for several months. I've gotta agree about the bad smell. But!!!, let it be known that they are quite expensive in the markets so it would behoove one to go out and gather as many as you can and sell it at a (small) Chinese market. They would pay you some handy $$ (especially for having a tree outside yer dorm - but you would look kinda silly gathering all those things). I posted a while back that when they are roasted, they are close to the texture of boiled peanuts. It seems that a lot of people east of Hawaii don't really care for boiled peanuts or roasted gingko nuts. I guess it is a cultural thing. In addition, it is almost a waste (in terms of $$) to roast gingkos because it is used in delicacies such as soups and other fried dishes. Those that roast must have a tree or a lot of $$ to burn. Oh, BTW, boiled peanuts are a staple at ball games in Hawaii. Also, gingko is also used for bonsai but that is another newsgroup. Thanks for your time. ______________________________________________________________________________ Tracy Ching | No comment. Electrical Engineer | Calif. Dept. of Water Resources | Sacramento, CA 95814 | tching@water.ca.gov (916) 654-PINK | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!snowman!jts Thu Jan 13 09:33:14 EST 1994 Article: 25088 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!snowman!jts From: jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Stewart - Sun Minneapolis SE) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Las Vegas & public gardens Date: 7 Jan 1994 17:09:04 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gk4vgINNnba@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> Reply-To: jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: snowman.central.sun.com I'm going to Las Vegas in early Feb. Does anyone know if there are any public gardens that I could visit while there? I'm interested in seeing some desert flower displays. Thanks for any suggestions. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!ajd Thu Jan 13 09:33:15 EST 1994 Article: 25089 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!ajd From: ajd@sei.cmu.edu (Audrey Dorofee) Subject: Re: The Tree Rats are back! Message-ID: <1994Jan7.124110.17477@sei.cmu.edu> Sender: netnews@sei.cmu.edu (Netnews) Organization: The Software Engineering Institute References: <2gjilcINNepe@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 12:41:10 EST Lines: 31 In article <2gjilcINNepe@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stoffel) writes: |> For all of you who think you can really out-smart squirrels, don't miss |> "Daylight Robbery" and "Daylight Robbery 2" this Sunday at 9:00PM and |> 10:00PM (EST), respectively, on the Discovery Channel. They will also |> repeat at 12:00AM and 1:00AM (EST) Monday. |> |> (After watching these shows the first time they were on I gave up trying |> to keep the squirrels out of the bird feeders and just bought them one |> of their own :-) |> I use a squirrel-proof, metal (and ugly) feeder that really does work! I've seen the squirrels doing truly amazing contortions trying to get seed out without stepping on the spring-loaded ledge (that clamps shut under their weight) and the best they can do is get a few seeds. Apparently this is not enough to keep them stretched out to the max on all 4 limbs for more than a moment and they give up. I tried having several feeders and all I got was several squirrels emptying out all the feeders in less than 2 hours. I do have one squirrel feeder, but don't put much in it as anything left over after dusk the racoons get. A 30 lb racoon perched on a little squirrel feeder is almost as funny as a squirrel hanging upside down by one paw to get one sunflower seed. Audrey Audrey Dorofee Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon Univ. 412-268-6545 FAX: 412-268-5758 ajd@sei.cmu.edu Standard Disclaimer: All opinions expressed by me are my own, not SEI's From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius Thu Jan 13 09:33:15 EST 1994 Article: 25090 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius From: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu (Bob Klebba) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: looking for prop. tools Message-ID: <1994Jan7.001030.281@nicmad.uucp> Date: 7 Jan 94 00:10:30 GMT References: <2gf36m$s1a@morrow.stanford.edu> Sender: usenet@nicmad.uucp Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corporation Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: mac1_21 X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1 In article <2gf36m$s1a@morrow.stanford.edu> Sullys Maze, GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu writes: >I have been looking for years for small tools for digging up rooted >cuttings and tiny seedlings. The tool in particular looks something >like a small spoon with a serrated edge; does anyone know what I am >talking about or have seen something like this in a catalog? It seems to me you could use a flat-ish measuring spoon (1/4 tsp) and file a notch in it. I've used spatulas from my chem lab, micro spatulas and other lab paraphernalia, but I still prefer a plain old fork. If the roots stick in the growing medium, you've either let the seedling grow too long or the medium isn't loose enough. (Easy for me to say. . . .) Bob Klebba Madison, Wisconsin, USDA zone 4 Inet: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu "Submit to Barney" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius Thu Jan 13 09:33:16 EST 1994 Article: 25091 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius From: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu (Bob Klebba) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: green manure question Message-ID: <1994Jan7.002437.689@nicmad.uucp> Date: 7 Jan 94 00:24:37 GMT References: Sender: usenet@nicmad.uucp Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corporation Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: mac1_21 X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1 In article Marty Zimmerman, cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes: >I'm thinking about planting green manure seeds in my summer beds this >spring and then tilling them under in late May/early June. Will this work, >or should green manure crops be planted in the fall? If it will work, what >would be good crops to plant (i.e. annual rye, clover, alfalfa, oats, all >of the above)? Winter rye is usually planted in October and then tilled under in the spring. You might be able to plant winter rye in early April and then till under in late May. I've never tried that. After last frost is past, plant buckwheat for green manure. It does well in the warm weather. Bob Klebba Madison, Wisconsin, USDA zone 4 Inet: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu "Submit to Barney" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!psinntp!newstand.syr.edu!rodan.syr.edu!jastuart Thu Jan 13 09:33:18 EST 1994 Article: 25092 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!psinntp!newstand.syr.edu!rodan.syr.edu!jastuart From: jastuart@rodan.syr.edu (Jeffrey A Stuart) Subject: rose propagation Message-ID: <1994Jan7.140045.8284@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 14:00:45 EST Lines: 19 I have three fledgling rose plants that I started from cuttings in the Fall -- two David Austins and an old floribunda (Gruss an Auchen -- or something like that). Right now I have them growing in a peat and perlite mixture under fluorescent lights -- one has been hardened off, the others are still in an enclosed atmosphere. I keep them moist, and they are all growing very well. My Question: What should I do with these plants until I can plant them outside in Spring? Should I try to force them into a dormant state once they are large enough? Or should I just let them grow (leggy) under the lights. Two are at the stage where they need to be repotted. If it matters, the floribunda will be potted in a tub while the others will be in the ground. Thanks Jeff Stuart, Syracuse NY From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!mica.inel.gov!guinness!guinness!ajh Thu Jan 13 09:33:19 EST 1994 Article: 25093 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!mica.inel.gov!guinness!guinness!ajh From: ajh@diamond.idbsu.edu (Andrew Huang) Subject: Re: Adding organic matter to established lawns In-Reply-To: latkinso@cln.etc.bc.ca's message of Fri, 7 Jan 1994 05:00:09 GMT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@guinness.idbsu.edu (Usenet News mail) Nntp-Posting-Host: diamond Organization: Boise State Mathematics Department References: <1994Jan7.050009.23892@news.etc.bc.ca> Date: 7 Jan 94 11:42:30 Lines: 21 Lynda Atkinson,992-2131,,747-4470) writes: Lynda, slave to the golden hoard, I also landscape with dogs. Anyone else have dogs that pick and eat berries by themselves? Yes! On a hike once, our yellow lab got really busy roaming a meadowful of wild strawberries. Then a couple of years ago, we had a small tomato garden and each week we look expectantly for that tomato that was yellow and getting ready to be red...Somehow we never ever saw them get red. Saffron!!! you schmuck! We finally did a daily inventory (it was a tiny garden) and figure that she had applied her newfound skills to domestic gardens. Now, whenever we take the kids to farms for berry picking, we bring her along. However, we can't go to the same farm more than once. She also eats apples, apricots, plums, peaches. Thank god she can't climb trees! (yet) -andy From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!uum1!gcbbgw!gcbb!jim.mcnelly Thu Jan 13 09:33:20 EST 1994 Article: 25094 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Edging From: jim.mcnelly@gcbb.granite.mn.org (Jim Mcnelly) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!uum1!gcbbgw!gcbb!jim.mcnelly Distribution: world Message-ID: <36.3527.2552.0N41D712@gcbb.granite.mn.org> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 13:15:00 +0600 Organization: Granite City BBS 612-654-8372 hst 656-0678 v.32bis Lines: 67 Harsh@Austin.Ibm.Com to All - Tuesday, January 4th: Discussing: Edging H> I would like to thank every one who posted their views on > "Treated Lumber for Edging". After all the response, I was > still not sure what I was going to do :-), Greetings Harsh- If I might try to get in the nearly last word, it would be that consumers should take responsibility for the ultimate fate of the products they buy. Everything produces waste or has a demand on the ecosystem in some respect, and there are consequences upon consequences to our purchasing habits. In the production end, this might mean supporting taxes that pay for past toxin cleanup such as the superfund program or cleaning up abandoned municipal landfill. It also means supporting RCRA laws that enforce "cradle to grave" management of hazardous materials. In the processing area, it means paying for municipal recycling, composting, appropriate incineration, and state of the art landfilling. When consuming, it means purchasing recycled goods, reducing waste, and reusing when possible. In landscaping, it means using composting and mulching techniques, and purchasing soil products from recycled sources rather than virgin stocks. In energy, it means paying attention to the byproducts of production, such as air emissions and waste. What responsibility do you take for exhaust in the car, CO2 in the air, or nuclear waste? In this regard, treated wood with over 3000 parts per million arsenic, with federal standards for organic products added to the soil limited to 11 PPM, means that you incur an "arsenic debt" to the environment that *someone* eventually has to deal with. My position is that unless you have a plan for removing the arsenic from the environment you added it to at the end of the treated wood's lifetime, (sixty years) you have not taken responsibility for introducing the toxin to the environment. At this time, treated wood is not safe to send to demolition or sanitary landfills, and thus has an environmental liability of $300 per ton plus excavation and transportation to send it to a hazardous waste disposal facility. I argue that that disposal cost should be built into the cost of the product and that the added cost be put into a management fund for our future generations to pay to remove all this treated wood residue from millions of residences when the wood decays in the early 21st century. No the arsenic will not significantly leach in the near term, but the delay of its effect does not reduce its inevitable damage. We need to stop thinking about consequences according only to our immediate gratification and more in terms of the impact on our culture and the ecosystem's sustainability. Mr Compost~~~ Jim McNelly~~~ Granite Cities BBS 612-654-8372-HST 656-0678 v.32bis jim.mcnelly@granite.mn.org --- * January 7th - þÜþßþÜþßþÜþßþÜþßþÜþßþ OH NO, a worm in my Hard-drive From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.tek.com!tekgen!redredrose!sonyab Thu Jan 13 09:33:22 EST 1994 Article: 25095 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.tek.com!tekgen!redredrose!sonyab From: sonyab@redredrose.labs.tek.com (Sonya Babbitt) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Message-ID: <4881@tekgen.bv.tek.com> Date: 7 Jan 94 19:36:32 GMT References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gft40$8o7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Sender: news@tekgen.bv.tek.com Followup-To: rec.food.cooking Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 12 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64373 rec.food.veg:33430 rec.gardens:25095 In article <2gft40$8o7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) writes: >On the mailing list gardens, I just read that there is an herb mail-list. >If you're interested, I'll dig out the info on subscribing. > >Jan >jlupson@uoguelph.ca Please post the subscription information. I didn't such a mailing list existed. Thanks, Sonya Babbitt From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!nrtpa038!brtph560!brtph421!snark Thu Jan 13 09:33:23 EST 1994 Article: 25096 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!nrtpa038!brtph560!brtph421!snark From: snark@brtph421.bnr.ca (Eric Nelson P025) Subject: Japaneese garden Message-ID: <1994Jan7.202017.4451@brtph560.bnr.ca> Sender: news@brtph560.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Reply-To: snark@bnr.ca Organization: BNR RTP, TR303 MVI Base Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 20:20:17 GMT Lines: 8 I am interested in starting a Japaneese style green mossy garden. Is there a good book on the subject that I could read? -- ANY DEFINED BY ObjectIdentifier { iso identified-organism human (1) Eric Nelson (4603987212)} From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!kdoxsee.uoregon.edu!user Thu Jan 13 09:33:24 EST 1994 Article: 25097 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!kdoxsee.uoregon.edu!user From: doxsee@oregon.uoregon.edu (kd) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Fringe Tree Info? Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: Fri, 07 Jan 1994 12:59:47 -0800 Organization: university of oregon Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kdoxsee.uoregon.edu In article , lkahn@mitre.org (Mr Squop) wrote: > I've seen (Chinese or Japanese?) fringe trees in flower in some local > gardens and am considering planting one in an area that gets full sun, but > is fairly near the house so I wouldn't want anything that grew taller than > maybe 15 feet. How big do these things get, and are they attractive at > other times of the year besides spring? Any info would be appreciated. > Larry Here in Eugene, Oregon, they eventually get pretty huge - not all that tall, but spreading *very* wide. I was going to put one in my front yard, but decided it would spread too much. After the fact, I've noticed that, other than the nice bloom and pretty foliage, they tend to leaf out *very* late, long after all other trees have done so. So ... nice in summer, but Fall and Winter are pretty dreary, although the trunk/branch structure is nice, if you've got room for it. (If you're in Boston area (if I so recognize Mitre), I think your plants grow about the same as here.) Good luck. Suppose I should make up an amusing name, but ... Ken From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen Thu Jan 13 09:33:25 EST 1994 Article: 25098 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) Subject: Re: Roses: what do I do now ? Message-ID: <1994Jan7.211908.12132@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@casbs.Stanford.EDU (CASBS News Service) Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences References: <2f4pci$c9r@engage.sps.mot.com> <1993Dec30.222018.26241@casbs.Stanford.EDU> <1994Jan6.190214.13807@gw.wmich.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 21:19:08 GMT Lines: 18 In article <1994Jan6.190214.13807@gw.wmich.edu> 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes: > Are new roses more tender than old ones? Our roses here in Michigan seem > to survive our cold winters, where temps have already fallen below -20F > this winter. I'd plan to coddle any newly planted shrubs the first winter, just in case. The reason for covering new roses in Austin is that the weather can be balmy, inciting new growth, and then blitz your plants with a hard freeze the same night. I've seen temperatures fall 50 degrees in one hour in TX. Established roses seem to recover, but ones without a strong root system might succumb. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen Much, Editor |E-mail: kathleen@casbs.stanford.EDU CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |Phone: (415) 321-2052 Stanford, CA 94305 |Fax: (415) 321-1192 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!csl.sri.com!unix.sri.com!od.sri.com!nat Thu Jan 13 09:33:26 EST 1994 Article: 25099 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!csl.sri.com!unix.sri.com!od.sri.com!nat From: nat@od.sri.com (Nathaniel Bletter) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: orchids newsgroup Date: 7 Jan 1994 19:27:44 GMT Organization: Virtual Perception Lab., SRI International, USA Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gkd3g$irj@unix.sri.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: od.sri.com Keywords: orchids In article , kagay@husc4.harvard.edu (christopher kagay) writes: |> If you're interested in seeing the newsgroup alt.flowers.orchids (or |> something like that) created please post a note to that effect on |> alt.config Wouldn't something like rec.flowers.orchids or something like that be more appropriate? Why does it need to be an alt group? It might be easier to start, but I don't know much about starting newsgroups. Nat Bletter SRI International nat@od.sri.com (415) 859-4358 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:33:27 EST 1994 Article: 25100 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: HERB GROUP Date: 7 Jan 1994 23:48:06 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2gksbm$8s0@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] RE: subscription information for mail-list group on herbs. I've never subscribed so I don't know how active this is. Send e-mail to: LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET In the message text put: SUBSCRIBE HERB FIRST-NAME LAST-NAME To submit postings, e-mail to HERB@TREARN.BITNET Jan jlupson@uoguelph.ca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!ghirarde Thu Jan 13 09:33:28 EST 1994 Article: 25101 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!ghirarde From: ghirarde@wam.umd.edu (Judith Ellen Ghirardelli) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Bougainvillea Date: 7 Jan 1994 23:55:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 24 Message-ID: <2gksot$n86@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rac1.wam.umd.edu I just posted recently a question about Rosemary, and this question is very similar. I live north of Washington DC, and have a Bougainvillea in a hanging basket. I brought it in for the winter, pruned where I had to so that it would fit in the room (I will prune the rest in spring), and have been watering it just alittle. It is doing great - new growth where I pruned; it looks very happy. BUT (you knew there was a 'but' coming...) it is getting bracts (colored leaves that look like flowers). I thought it was supposed to be dormant in the winter. Is this trouble? I don't want it to not flower in the summer. ALso, if this may help, the bracts are a paler color than the summer ones, and I just have a few (maybe 3 groups) - 1 on a branch I pruned, and 2 on branches I did not prune. Should I worry? If so, what should I do now? (the regular color is magenta - bright color, not pale). Any help is appreciated! Judy G. -- Judy Ghirardelli || Love is Always , Me is Life ghirarde@bunyip.gsfc.nasa.gov || Forever is just another Smile ----------------------------------------------------------------- "It's hard to be brave when you're a Very Small Animal." - Piglet From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!wndrsvr!johnm Thu Jan 13 09:33:29 EST 1994 Article: 25102 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!wndrsvr!johnm From: johnm@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (johnm) Subject: Re: WARNING!!! Michigan Bulb Company Message-ID: Sender: johnm@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (johnm) Organization: WNDRSVR - Public Access for Southern California +1-310-370-3069 References: <16869.j-easl@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:17:13 GMT Lines: 33 j-easl@maroon.tc.umn.edu ("Jon Easley") writes: > I just received a catalog from the Michigan Bulb Company today and it made > me think that I should put out a warning. > > DO NOT I repeat DO NOT order from this company they are known to have sub- > standard products that usually arrive dead. They will not give you a > refund on already planted items but will gladly send you more of the same > crappy bulbs. PLEASE PLEASE do yourself a favor and do not order from them. > They have great prices but as the old saying goes "There's no such thing as > a free lunch!" I threw their catalog yesterday and I never throw away catalogs in general. I hated their sweepstakes literature, with good products you really do not need that type of promo IMO. If you read the descriptions you see they have little to do with the products. I know pictures of bulbs are not proper but at least say what you are selling. For me the final straw was the Bonsai. The pictures showed highly stylized trees that were probably 50 years old, and most likely worked on for years by an expert with 15+ years of Bonsai experience. Then when you get to the fine print it says you get a 2 1/4" seedling (at an inflated price; in in this description they did actually say what they were selling for a change). [where is that soapbox, oh good there it is!] I just do not like this type of advertising. To me it is bait and switch but I am sure they know the law better than I and they use it to their advantage.[stepping off of soapbox]. [*> Management may or may not agree with the above message. [*> WndrSvr in Southern California; Call +1-310-370-3069 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Marzolino Bad spellers of the world unight! 71242,1610 Compuserve "Plants are like people, but they Johnm@wndrsvr.la.ca.us listen better" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson Thu Jan 13 09:33:30 EST 1994 Article: 25103 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Recommend Seed Company Message-ID: <74.2d2d14fe@axolotl> Date: 06 Jan 94 15:15:45 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 28 johnkg@hprnd.rose.hp.com (John Gonsalves) writes: > Please recommend a good seed company to me... I use Sheppards in Felton > CA, but would like a couple of additional sources of good quality that > you can personally recommend. I've got a listing of 100+ seed catalog > companies from this news group already, but would like to narrow the > search a bit. > > I'm currently only interested in vegetables seeds, preferably heirloom > and open pollinated varieties... I strongly recommend the mail-order source SOUTHERN EXPOSURE SEED EXCHANGE (P.O. Box 158, North Garden, VA 22959; catalog + growing guide - $3). They have a good selection of both open pollinated and heirloom vegetable varieties for sale. They do sell a FEW hybrids, but the seeds are usually o.p. For example, they offer 2 varieties of hybid sweet corn and 6 varieties of open pollinated, and 5 of the o.p. varieties are also 1heirlooms. I've had very good service from these folks. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | E-mail address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "You're only young once but you can always be immature" -- Dave Barry From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson Thu Jan 13 09:33:31 EST 1994 Article: 25104 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: New Address for Southern Exposure Seed Exchange Message-ID: <77.2d2d1501@axolotl> Date: 06 Jan 94 15:44:15 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 19 I've just learned that SOUTHERN EXPOSURE SEED EXCHANGE has a new mailing address. It's as follows: SOUTHERN EXPOSURE SEED EXCHANGE P.O. Box 170 Earlysville, VA 22936 Their physical location is still the same but the new Earlysville mailing address will speed the pick-up and delivery of requests and orders. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Under the most controlled conditions, the experimental apparatus will do exactly as it pleases. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!wupost!medicine.wustl.edu!medicine.wustl.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:33:33 EST 1994 Article: 25105 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!wupost!medicine.wustl.edu!medicine.wustl.edu!not-for-mail From: frittsk@medicine.wustl.edu (Kimberly Ann Fritts) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Aquarium water = grey water? Date: 8 Jan 1994 00:36:17 -0600 Organization: Washington University School of Medicine Lines: 9 Message-ID: <2glk91INNmn9@medicine.wustl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: medicine.wustl.edu I use the water that I siphon out of my goldfish aquarium during cleaning to water my houseplants. I haven't been doing it long enough to notice any improvements in my plants, but it seems like a good idea. Kim -- Kim Fritts Department of Illustration and Photography frittsk@medicine.wustl.edu 660 S. Euclid Box 8055 voice: 314-362-3237 St. Louis, MO 63110 fax: 314-534-1346 4570 Children's Place (Rear) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:33:35 EST 1994 Article: 25106 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Recommend Seed Company Message-ID: <100294@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 00:41:42 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <2gc8qc$5ut@hpchase.rose.hp.com> <940105.74813.DSZUMOWSKI@delphi.com> Lines: 7 Hmmm-I thought I'd posted this already, but seems to have gotten lost! I'd recommend Nichol's as well. I order from up to a dozen catalogs annually (and have tried many more) and have consistantly gotten superior results with the seeds I've gotten from Nichols. Beyond that, their pricing is very reasonable, and their packaging and catalog are envirnmentally responsible (i.e., they won't send you 5 glossy catalogs a year, use recycled and biodregraable products for their catalog and packaging). From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:33:36 EST 1994 Article: 25107 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: comfrey roots Message-ID: <100295@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 00:45:20 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: usa References: <2gdevcINNrbb@s850.mwc.edu> Lines: 4 I've gotten comfrey seeds from Nichols Garden in Oregon. they were fairly easy to grow and seem to be thriving. (They may stock roots as well, but I'm not sure). I haven't got their address handy, but it is posted in this group under seed catalogs. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!terapin!rreed Thu Jan 13 09:33:37 EST 1994 Article: 25108 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!terapin!rreed From: rreed@terapin.com (Rick Reed) Message-ID: Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.gardening Subject: SF Bay Area Fungus Fair Info Date: 8 Jan 94 01:09:08 PST Organization: Terrapin Transit BBS 510-644-9328, v32bis/HST 510-486-1537 Lines: 8 My girlfriend has decided to drag me to the Santa Cruz Fungus Fair tomorrow on Jan 8 - anyone know how to get there? What exits to take? We're coming from Oakland. Thanks, -Rick rreed@terapin.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius Thu Jan 13 09:33:38 EST 1994 Article: 25109 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!nuntius From: Bob Klebba Subject: Re: Automatic Watering in Conservatory Message-ID: <1994Jan7.150713.22343@nicmad.uucp> Sender: usenet@nicmad.uucp Nntp-Posting-Host: mac1_17 Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corporation X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1 References: Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 15:07:13 GMT Lines: 21 In article A.F.Kettle, afkettle@cen.ex.ac.uk writes: >What is peoples experience with conservatory automatic self watering >devices? I am going away for several months and there is no-one who >will give my conservatory plants the tender loving care they need. Sigh. One way to get the plants to need less water is to get the conservatory colder and darker. You may want to cover it up with sheets or some other material. This will insulate it and keep it from getting too hot. I keep my plants in a friend's unheated greenhouse over the winter. Happily it is well insulated so there are only frosts when it is cold and cloudy (once every 2-3 years). Anyway, it stays pretty cool (5-10C) in the greenhouse Dec-Feb and the plants only need water once every 4 weeks. Bob Klebba Madison, Wisconsin, USDA zone 4 Inet: nicmad!klebba%astroatc.uucp@spool.cs.wisc.edu "Submit to Barney" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!kth.se!lysator.liu.se!ceci Thu Jan 13 09:33:39 EST 1994 Article: 25110 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!kth.se!lysator.liu.se!ceci From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: Sender: news@lysator.liu.se (The news user) References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 09:20:04 GMT Lines: 20 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1525 rec.gardens:25110 burkhard@crl.com (Tom Burkhard) writes: > Does anyone have any good sources for seeds (or plants) for someone > who would like to grow herbs at home. I already grow basil, > tarragon, and some of the more common herbs but I'd like to try some > of the less common ones--like Valerian for instance. Hi Tom! Chiltern have a lot of herbs, particularly for us in temperate climates. Their address is: Chiltern Seeds, Bortree Stile, Ulverston, Cumbria, LA12 7PB, Great Britain. Their catalog doesn't cost anything. They ship overseas and do take credit cards. Herbal blessings, --Ceci -- ===ceci@lysator.liu.se=========================================== "Boringness enters when you have informed the picture to pieces." Henry Hermansson, drawing teacher, Lunnevad FHS From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!uum1!gcbbgw!gcbb!jim.mcnelly Thu Jan 13 09:33:40 EST 1994 Article: 25111 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Vermiculture (worms) From: jim.mcnelly@gcbb.granite.mn.org (Jim Mcnelly) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!uum1!gcbbgw!gcbb!jim.mcnelly Distribution: world Message-ID: <36.3558.2552.0N41D728@gcbb.granite.mn.org> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 03:17:00 +0600 Organization: Granite City BBS 612-654-8372 hst 656-0678 v.32bis Lines: 53 Jeff Brooks asked: >Does anyone out there grow worms? Yes, I have been raising them since 1973, occasionally on a commercial scale for vermicomposting and vermistabilization. >I am planning to try out a small bin in the >garage as a cold weather composting system for kitchen "waste", fish bait >factory and to get the added benefit of great fertilizer. What kind of bait are you looking for? The worms for vermicomposting are not your large bait worms. The two common composting worms, eisenia foetida (red worm with yellow stripes on tail, stinks when cut) and lumbricus rubella (red wriggler, small lively red worm) are used mostly for pan fishing. The nightcrawler, lumbricus terrestris, is a soil dwelling worm that can not thrive in a rich organic environment such as a composting mass. I've read differing >comments on how big a container is needed and what are the minimum tempretures >needed for good growth and activity. Any comments/suggestions from your >experience is much appreciated. Again, this depends on the specie you intend to raise. Eudrillus eugenia, the "African Nightcrawler" is a poor vermicomposter but can be raised in captivity in peat with grain top feed. They need temperatures over 70F and are often raised in 5 gallon pails. L. rubella needs temps between 55F and 85F. E. foetida lives between 33F and 105F. All earthworms die at a solid freeze. The size of the container depends on what feed and what bedding you are using, or whether you plan on composting before feeding the worms. You need to decide if the worms are vermicomposters, meaning they eat raw organic matter, or if they are vermistabilizers, meaning they eat partially decomposed manure or compost. You also need to decide if you are trying vermiculture, the husbandry of raising more worms. It is nearly impossible to do each of the three simultaneously. Decide what your goal is before choosing a container, if indeed you need a container at all. I strongly suggest ordering Mary Appelhof's book, "Worms Eat My Garbage" from Flower Press. It has most of what you need to know to get started. Mr Compost~~~ Jim McNelly~~~ Granite Cities BBS 612-654-8372-HST 656-0678 v.32bis jim.mcnelly@granite.mn.org --- * January 8th - The Universe is over. We can all go home now. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:33:42 EST 1994 Article: 25112 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!not-for-mail From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq Butt) Subject: Re: Roses: what do I do now ? Message-ID: <2gmnom$9dd@engage.sps.mot.com> Lines: 32 Sender: news@oakhill.sps.mot.com (oakhill news) Nntp-Posting-Host: engage Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, Texas References: <1993Dec30.222018.26241@casbs.Stanford.EDU> <1994Jan6.190214.13807@gw.wmich.edu> <1994Jan7.211908.12132@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 16:41:58 GMT In article <1994Jan7.211908.12132@casbs.Stanford.EDU> kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) writes: >In article <1994Jan6.190214.13807@gw.wmich.edu> 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes: >> Are new roses more tender than old ones? Our roses here in Michigan seem >> to survive our cold winters, where temps have already fallen below -20F >> this winter. > >I'd plan to coddle any newly planted shrubs the first winter, just in >case. The reason for covering new roses in Austin is that the weather >can be balmy, inciting new growth, and then blitz your plants with a >hard freeze the same night. I've seen temperatures fall 50 degrees in >one hour in TX. Established roses seem to recover, but ones without a >strong root system might succumb. > > Kathleen's right I'm afraid. Thursday's high/lows == 78,52 degrees; Friday's high/low 45,19. Winter 'round here is a long, cool, mild one punctuated by brief horrific cold blasts from Canada. Very odd... And for the record, yes I did cover the poor bare-roots (some has 1/8 in. of growth already due to the mild weather). The really nasty time for roses here is August, 100+ degrees for a week tends to make most roses just give up on blooming and concentrate on simply living... fmb -- Standard High-Tech Disclaimer: NOTHING in the above article has the slightest relationship to reality. If any reality correspondences are found, please notify me IMMEDIATELY. Any threats, abuse or stupidity of any kind is purely UNintentional. These are MY Opinions NOT my employer's. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:33:43 EST 1994 Article: 25113 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: jb6778@u.cc.utah.edu (Jay Brummett/Computer Services SLC Public) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Followup-To: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Date: 8 Jan 1994 10:26:03 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: u.cc.utah.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64447 rec.food.veg:33476 rec.gardens:25113 Terence P Higgins (thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote: : I recently posted this proposal to alt.config for input. I'm wondering if anybody here would be interested in this kind of group? This is not a vote : request or anything like that... : For the last several months I've been thinking that a group called : alt.herb would be a wonderful thing. I think this for a couple of reasons: If alt.folklore.herb is not having to posting you want post what you want and look for replies. Usenet newgroups are only what we make them. Try to start threads on your intrest, If you posted herb questions of the type you prospose in a.f.h, I would reply. We have too many newsgroups now, I think it would just make matters worse as many users seem to have a hard time simply posting let alone getting their posts to the right group. The traffic on A.F.H is low, so you certianly should be able to find bandwidth for your intrest in herbs as well as not be bogged down by the treads that don't tickle your fancy. Just my thoughts regards jay ------ PS: I would like to discuss the sort of topics that you propose to discuss on A.H, I just think we can do so in A.F.H with out the hassle and bother of a new news group. J ---- ------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!suncad!freenet.Victoria.BC.CA!ua024 Thu Jan 13 09:33:43 EST 1994 Article: 25114 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!suncad!freenet.Victoria.BC.CA!ua024 From: ua024@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Diane Whitehead) Subject: evergreen plants for wet soil? Message-ID: Sender: news@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (USENET News System) Reply-To: ua024@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Diane Whitehead) Organization: The Victoria Freenet Association (VIFA), Victoria, B.C., Canada Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 18:20:43 GMT Lines: 9 I am planting an area that is wet all year, as a nearby lake's water drains through the property. All the plants that I have discovered that like these conditions die back in the fall, so the area is pretty bleak to look at all winter. Yellow and red stemmed dogwoods and willows do add some colour, but I'd like some leaves too. Any ideas? (It is in zone 8, near the sea, and gets frost) -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!sdcc12!sdcc13!jgerken Thu Jan 13 09:33:44 EST 1994 Article: 25115 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!sdcc12!sdcc13!jgerken From: jgerken@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jaime Gerken) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: microwaving dirt Message-ID: <59178@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 9 Jan 94 02:48:18 GMT References: <2g2b9e$edd@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu In article qwerty@tunisia.ssc.gov (Kris Schludermann) writes: > >sure can. it's just like cooking. mix the soil into a moist paste and place in >a high temp microwave container (some rocks can really hot in the mcrowave). >i would recomend using a low to mid range setting and stir frequently. >occasionally turn aggitate the dirt and some how try to slow down the >water loss. after wards the odor of cooked dirt can be removed from the microwave >by boiling a cup of water. > >kris It should be noted that some rocks, especially sandstones, can absorb water. When microwaved, this water could boil and explode the rock, damaging/destroying the microwave oven and possibly injuring bystanders. James From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpcvca!hpcvcba.cv.hp.com!mjr Thu Jan 13 09:33:45 EST 1994 Article: 25116 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpcvca!hpcvcba.cv.hp.com!mjr From: mjr@hpcvcba.cv.hp.com (Mark Reed) Subject: Re: Greenhouse Construction Questions Message-ID: <1994Jan9.025144.9238@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> Sender: nobody@hpcvca.cv.hp.com Nntp-Posting-Host: hpcvcba.cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA References: <2g9qcd$h96@fido.asd.sgi.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 02:51:44 GMT Lines: 23 Regarding a greenhouse in the pacific northwest... I had big plans, but am now reconsidering. I may still do it, but after reading "Growing Vegetables West of the Cascades" by Steve Soloman, I have doubts. The problem here is the high number of overcast days in the November through February period when you want the greenhouse to be the most useful and effective. There's so little direct sunlight that supplemental illumination is probably a requirement and there's almost no incoming heat to store. Most of the greenhouses that I've seen around here are half-cylinders framed with pipe and covered with a single layer of plastic film, rather than a south-facing double-glazed heavily-insulated structure with lots of heat storage like I was going to attach to the back of my shop. (It would have been perfect for Colorado.) Of course, it all depends on your objectives. Mark Reed From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:33:46 EST 1994 Article: 25117 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Info about Air Plants Message-ID: <100352@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 18:47:31 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <2gi0o4$t8k@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Lines: 13 Some air plants (bromeliads especially) Will grow in dirt (although it is not strictly necessary (I've got somewhere on the order of 100 in my yard). Most are tropical plants which habitually live in trees (Smithsonian recently did an article on them). They can be "planted" on bark, in milled sphagnum moss, or if you live in a very wet climate, in porous rock (lava if you can get it) or in a pot with rock or gravel. If you are keeping it indoors, they need high humidity: mist regularly. Over here (Hawaii) we have many varieties which are not related to the bromeliad family, and more closely resemble ferns. here they are typically sold draped over hangers-- and that's it, all they need is water (and some sun). they do not require full sun; for the most part, they naturally grow under a canopy of trees, so partial shade should be ok (we have one growing in our bathroom, and it gets the moisture it needs from the shower). From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:33:47 EST 1994 Article: 25118 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: evergreen plants for wet soil? Message-ID: <100353@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 94 18:50:36 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: Lines: 4 I haven't looked into this much, so i can't suggest a variety of trees; but we have a douglas fir that's thriving, and our yard is practically a bog in winter. We're in zone 11, but i believe these trees are hardy to zone 4 or 5. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!polaris.unm.edu!news-user Thu Jan 13 09:33:48 EST 1994 Article: 25119 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!polaris.unm.edu!news-user From: gandini@unm.edu (philip t ganderton) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Care of Cactus Date: 8 Jan 1994 20:22:40 -0700 Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2gnta0$9tb@polaris.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: polaris.unm.edu Please excuse the intrusion. I am wondering if anyone can help me regarding the care and maintainence of a cactus (Spiny Norman is the name - serious spikes is the game). The cactus is a "Euphobia Grandicornis". It did not come with instructions. I am particularly concerned about: 1. The amount and frequency of watering. (Its in a pot) 2. The intensity and duration of sunlight. 3. The desirable range of ambient temperature. Thanks so much - please reply to my email address directly. Phil Ganderton "gandini@polaris.unm.edu" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!random!rebma!rebma.win.athena.tay.dec.com!jeff Thu Jan 13 09:33:49 EST 1994 Article: 25120 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!random!rebma!rebma.win.athena.tay.dec.com!jeff From: jeff@rebma.win.athena.tay.dec.com (Jeff Tyler) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: thylis pruinosa Keywords: strawberry tomatos info thylis pruinosa Message-ID: <944693@win.athena.tay.dec.com> Date: 9 Jan 94 02:21:41 GMT Reply-To: jeff@win.athena.tay.dec.com Organization: No Organization at all !! Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18 I'm looking for info for a friend who curently has no net access about "thylis pruinosa" (strawberry tomatos). She has tried all sorts of reference sources and come up dry. She grows the silly things and used to bring them into the office while she was with my group. She'd like to get some background on them. Please reply by mail as I don't read this group too often... Thanks in advance.... -- ============================================================================= |jeff@win.athena.tay.dec.com [home] Jeff S. Tyler | |jeff@athena.tay.dec.com [office] DECathena | |(Somewhere in New England) Journeyman Hacker..| | Sysadmin from Hell | | Talk is cheap but code costs.............. | ============================================================================= From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!leo!ehenders Thu Jan 13 09:33:49 EST 1994 Article: 25121 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!leo!ehenders From: ehenders@leo.vsla.edu (Elizabeth Henderson) Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: <1994Jan9.033534.27249@leo.vsla.edu> Organization: Virginia State Library References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 03:35:34 GMT Lines: 18 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1529 rec.gardens:25121 Hi- I get most of my herb seeds from Southern Exposure Seed Exchange, P O Box 170, Earlysville Va 22936. They carry some medicinal herbs in addition to the standard culinary ones. I've bought hyssop, woodruff, lemon balm, epazote, echinacea and others that I can't think of right now. Plus they carry a lot of heirloom vegetables that are interesting to try. Also you might check with Hastings, they specialize in varieties for the southern states. I used to buy from them a lot when I lived in Florida. Sorry I don't have their address handy. If you don't find a ad for them in the gardening mags, check with your public library reference department. They might have a directory of mailorder sources. Goodluck with the herbs, Lizabeth Henderson - Lynchburg College - Lynchburg VA 24501 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!samba.oit.unc.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:33:50 EST 1994 Article: 25122 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!samba.oit.unc.edu!not-for-mail From: Suzanne-lucia.Demitrio@launchpad.unc.edu (Suzanne-lucia Demitrio) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Growing roses indoors? Date: 9 Jan 1994 05:23:07 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2go4br$srg@samba.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu I've been fantasizing about growing a pillar rose indoors, in an ordinary Manhattan apartment -- nestled in a corner or between two bookcases, with vertical banks of fluorescent grow-lights on either side (or perhaps mounted on hinged screens). Can it be done? Has anyone done it? How much light would it take? What about humidity? Temperature? Can roses and people be made comfortable in the same space? My taste runs toward the old garden roses, bourbons, noisettes -- Souvenir de Madame Leonie Viennot, Marechal Niel, Zephirine Drouhin, Gloire de Dijon, Desprez a Fleur Jaune, or (for non-climbers) Jean Ducher or Catherine Mermet. Some of these are said to flower all year 'round in winterless climates; some were Victorian greenhouse and conservatory roses. I'd want something fragrant but not overwhelming, capable of looking pretty almost all the time, and content in a big tub of dirt with 6-7 feet for climbing. Experiences or suggestions, anyone? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Suzanne Lucia suzanne-lucia.demitrio@launchpad.unc.edu -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!vax.sonoma.edu!blake Thu Jan 13 09:33:51 EST 1994 Article: 25123 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!vax.sonoma.edu!blake Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: house plants Message-ID: <1994Jan8.222416.1@vax.sonoma.edu> From: blake@vax.sonoma.edu Date: 8 Jan 94 22:24:16 -0800 Organization: Sonoma State University Nntp-Posting-Host: vax.sonoma.edu Lines: 15 O.K. So, it's not exactly a gardening question. I have trouble with certain housplants, and others I don't. I can't seem to keep a Boston fern alive for the life of me. I have a spider plant which is also fading fast, and I can't figure out if it's over or under watered. I try to keep the soil moist, but not soggy - maybe watering every three - four days, but water sits at the bottom of the pan between waterings. Is that bad? Should I empty the excess after each watering? I mist many of my plants, including the spider and the fern. How do I know which plants need fertilizer, what kind, when to use, and how much? Any help on any of this from you green-thumbs out there will be appreciated greatly. E-mail to Blake@sonoma.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!bushd2.life.uiuc.edu!user Thu Jan 13 09:33:52 EST 1994 Article: 25124 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!bushd2.life.uiuc.edu!user From: george_davis@qms1.life.uiuc.edu (george davis) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: CUCUMBER BEETLES/ADIOS Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: Sun, 09 Jan 1994 11:21:22 -0700 Organization: u of I Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bushd2.life.uiuc.edu The Sept/Oct issue of National Gardening magazine had a short article on a clever new pesticide which consisted of Sevin encapsulated in cucrbitacin (the bitter principle in cucurbits that attracts the cucumber beetle). Apparently the beetles will dine on these microcapsules in preference to the plants. The trade product is being marketed under the name ADIOS. Unfortunately, the article in NG gave no source for this product that those of us who grow melons in central Illinois could so desperately use. Does anyone know of this product and where it can be purchased? Any info will be appreciated. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:33:52 EST 1994 Article: 25125 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!not-for-mail From: fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq Butt) Subject: Thiamine (vitamin B1) as a root-stimulator? Message-ID: <2gpd0j$ae1@engage.sps.mot.com> Lines: 18 Sender: news@oakhill.sps.mot.com (oakhill news) Nntp-Posting-Host: engage Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, Texas Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 16:56:51 GMT Howdy folks: I was looking over some root-stimulator soultions at my local plant place and found 2 basic types. One was called "Up-Start" by Ortho and its active ingredient was (!) Thiamine (aka vitamin B1). I unscrewed the top and took a whiff and sure enough, it was good ole B1 (yukky brewer's yeast type smell). My question is: is thiamine a legitimate root-stimulator ? If so, how well does it work when compared to other rooting hormones like (?) C-Butyric acid (the active ingredient in the other well-known "Green Light" brand stimulator solution)? fmb -- Standard High-Tech Disclaimer: NOTHING in the above article has the slightest relationship to reality. If any reality correspondences are found, please notify me IMMEDIATELY. Any threats, abuse or stupidity of any kind is purely UNintentional. These are MY Opinions NOT my employer's. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!lambda.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Thu Jan 13 09:33:53 EST 1994 Article: 25126 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!lambda.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@lambda.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Security and Technology Planning, ITC/UVA References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> <1994Jan9.033534.27249@leo.vsla.edu> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 18:23:18 GMT Lines: 15 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1531 rec.gardens:25126 In article <1994Jan9.033534.27249@leo.vsla.edu>, Elizabeth Henderson wrote: >Also you might check with Hastings, they specialize in >varieties for the southern states. I used to buy from them a >lot when I lived in Florida. Sorry I don't have their address >handy. If you don't find a ad for them in the gardening mags, >check with your public library reference department. They >might have a directory of mailorder sources. >Goodluck with the herbs, >Lizabeth Henderson - Lynchburg College - Lynchburg VA 24501 I think Hastings is now part of Park Seeds. Adam adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!pcgfx!rebecca.jone Thu Jan 13 09:33:54 EST 1994 Article: 25127 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: rose propagation From: rebecca.jone@pcgfx.com (Rebecca Jone) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!pcgfx!rebecca.jone Message-ID: References: <1994Jan7.140045.8284@newstand.syr.edu> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 94 10:01:00 -0800 Organization: The PC GFX Exchange * San Francisco, CA * 415-337-5416 Lines: 26 JJ: I have three fledgling rose plants that I started from cuttings in JJ: the Fall -- two David Austins and an old floribunda (Gruss an Auchen - JJ: something like that). Right now I have them growing in a peat and per JJ: mixture under fluorescent lights -- one has been hardened off, the oth I have never had luck propagating roses. Admittedly, I have only growing/raising roses for a year so can't say that I'm an expert. I have really only tried with miniature roses and they seem to just end up rotting (too damp?). I will be pruning Mr. Lincoln, Olympiad, and Europeana soon. Any tips on how I might be able to successfully propagate these? What I have tried is scoring the bottom of the cutting, putting them in a mix of peat/perlite/vermiculite, potting soil (varying proportions), enclosing them in plastic bags. I don't have a fluorescent light setup. What kind of light, humidity, etc. do they need? I've seen contradicting advice about whether or not I should let them breathe every so often (if enclosed in plastic or covered with a jar). Advice please! I live in Alameda, CA., near San Francisco, where the winters are very mild. I stripped the roses of their leaves last weekend, and will prune next weekend or the next. Thank you.. Rebecca Jone/Alameda, CA. Written on Saturday, 01/08/94 at 20:34 * RM 1.3 B0009 * From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!rutgers!att-out!cbfsb!cbnewsg.cb.att.com!djd Thu Jan 13 09:33:55 EST 1994 Article: 25128 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!rutgers!att-out!cbfsb!cbnewsg.cb.att.com!djd From: djd@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.j.daulton) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Subject: Re: Fruit trees in zone 5 Message-ID: Date: 9 Jan 94 20:41:45 GMT References: <1280@smith.CHI.IL.US> Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Lines: 47 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25128 misc.rural:7398 (lines omitted) >What I'd really like to grow are Paw Paws, sour cherries, and apricots. ... >Two years ago, I bought two small fig trees in gallon pots from Edible >Landscaping in Virginia. One was a Brown Turkey (or Chicago) type. The other ... If you have the Edible Landscaping catalogue (great catalogue!), you already have a source for named varieties of pawpaws. You need two different pawpaws for cross pollination. What I am doing is planting one named variety (still haven't chosen it), plus one wild (and especially delicious) pawpaw from the old homestead down in Portsmouth, Ohio. Planting the wild one is my way of helping to preserve some genetic diversity. But there are two difficulties in aquiring a "wild" pawpaw. One problem is that there is a lot of variability in quality, so ask around among friends and fellow gardeners to find a good pawpaw (good tasing, good size, etc.). With enough checking, you should be able to locate a wild pawpaw of good repute. (This spring I am going back to Portsmouth to check out a wild pawpaw reputed to have "the biggest fruit anyone has ever seen".) The other difficulty is transplating. They have brittle roots, and suckers often seem to have almost no roots at all. I transplanted two from the family farm. One was about 1', and the other 2'. The latter died, so I suggest smaller is better. Other advice: Don't wash off the roots. There is some conjecture that pawpaws are "microniazol" (or something similar I can't spell), meaning they need a special soil fungus. Also, protect baby pawpaws from direct mid-day sun for a few years. A cheescloth screen would work. Pawpaws are beautiful landscape plants, looking strangely tropical, and with a wonderful clear yellow fall color. They are one of the very few temperate region plants that bear fruit in shade/half-shade. They do prefer rich soil, and they send out runners and like to form "patches", so plant them where appropriate. By the way, there was a lot of activity about 50 years ago, developing named varieties of pawpaws. At that time some said the best of all was called "David Fairchild". Unfortunately, that variety seems to be lost. It is not listed in "Cornucopia", "The Fruit, Nut and Berry Inventory", or any other source list I can find. If anyone comes across this one, please let me know. Dave Daulton, Columbus, Ohio, Zone 5 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!stanlem Thu Jan 13 09:33:56 EST 1994 Article: 25129 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!stanlem From: stanlem@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Martha Stanley) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: WARNING!!! Michigan Bulb Company Date: 9 Jan 1994 21:35:23 GMT Organization: Tallahassee Free-Net Lines: 5 Message-ID: <2gptar$r5@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <16869.j-easl@maroon.tc.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet2.scri.fsu.edu -- On a chilly day such as today, aren't you glad you're a mammal? stanlem@freenet.fsu.edu (Martha Stanley, Tallahassee, Florida) The best way to have a good idea is to have lots of ideas first! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!utnut!cannon.ecf!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:33:56 EST 1994 Article: 25130 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!utnut!cannon.ecf!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!not-for-mail From: ldolezel@epas.utoronto.ca (L. Dolezel) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: evergreen plants for wet soil? Date: 9 Jan 1994 16:56:49 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gpuj1$ds0@epas.utoronto.ca> References: <100353@cup.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: epas.utoronto.ca In article <100353@cup.portal.com> Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com writes: >I haven't looked into this much, so i can't suggest a variety of trees; >but we have a douglas fir that's thriving, and our yard is practically >a bog in winter. We're in zone 11, but i believe these trees are hardy to >zone 4 or 5. How about Sweet Bay Magnolia (Magnolia virginiana)? The variety 'australis' is evergreen (the northern form, var. virginiana, is deciduous or semi-evergreen). Nancy Traill (ntraill@vm1.yorku.ca) York University, Toronto From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!feenix.metronet.com!tdrake Thu Jan 13 09:33:57 EST 1994 Article: 25131 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!feenix.metronet.com!tdrake From: tdrake@metronet.com (Theodore Drake) Subject: Question Medicinal herbs Organization: Texas Metronet, Internet for the Individual 214-705-2917 (info) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 21:29:20 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: Lines: 4 I would like to find a source for medicinal herbs. Either root stock, seeds etc. for these herbs: Astragalus, Schizandra and Echinacea. Thanks in advance! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news Thu Jan 13 09:33:58 EST 1994 Article: 25132 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news From: kcarroll@u.washington.edu (Kris Carroll) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Question Medicinal herbs Date: 9 Jan 1994 23:10:32 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 18 Message-ID: <2gq2t8$ad7@news.u.washington.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: koko.pathology.washington.edu In article tdrake@metronet.com (Theodore Drake) writes: > > I would like to find a source for medicinal herbs. Either root stock, > seeds etc. for these herbs: Astragalus, Schizandra and Echinacea. > Thanks in advance! I just started a subscription to Herb Quarterly. They have many resources listed in ads and articles for suppliers all over the country. One I have personal experience with is Nicholes in Albany, OR. When I lived in NY they had a rep for having "everything." At the moment I don't have their address, I usually stop in when I visit my daughter, but you could find it easily via phone co. BTW Herb Quarterly is printed on quality recycled paper and has beautiful watercolors of herbs throughout good text. In fact I intend to frame some recent covers. I recommend this journal to anyone interested in all aspects of herbs/gardening. They are based in San Anselmo, CA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!leo!ehenders Thu Jan 13 09:33:59 EST 1994 Article: 25133 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!leo!ehenders From: ehenders@leo.vsla.edu (Elizabeth Henderson) Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: <1994Jan9.223747.21022@leo.vsla.edu> Organization: Virginia State Library References: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 22:37:47 GMT Lines: 25 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1534 rec.gardens:25133 A p.s. to my previous message (I shouldn't try to answer stuff late at night, half my brain doesn't seem to be there)> For sources of herb seeds or plants, find a copy of the magazine Herb Companion. It's published six times a year by Interweave Press 201 East Fourth St, Loveland CO 80537 ($21). I buy it at the local "expensive" upscale grocery store. If your local bookstore has a magazine section you might find it there. It covers all aspects of herbs; culinary, medicinal, growing, crafts, etc.. Alot of the growers and seed houses advertize in it. The best issue would be the December/January issue as the ad section specializes in mail-order sources for seeds and plants. In one of my back issues I noticed an ad for a source in Georgia, The Flowery Branch, Box 1330, Flowery Branch GA 30542. Catalog is $2.00. No experience with them, so can't recommend them. I gave my Sandy Mush Herb Nursery Catalog to friends in Mansfield GA and they have been pretty happy with the things they've ordered. Sandy Mush is at Surrett Cove Road, Leicester NC 28748 and their catalog is $4.00. Again good luck Lizabeth Henderson - Lynchburg Virginia From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult Thu Jan 13 09:34:00 EST 1994 Article: 25134 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult From: jmcnult@orion.it.luc.edu (John A. Mcnulty) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Paw Paws and other native fruits Date: 9 Jan 1994 23:48:23 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2gq547$9hs@apollo.it.luc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.it.luc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sometime this summer a note appeared in the Illinois Native Plant Society newletter (or maybe the Nature Conservancy? I couldn't find it again) from a Jim Anderson of Peoria, if I recall, who grows native Illinois nut and fruit trees. He only gave his phone number, which I am reluctant to pass on to the world. I was going to order some paw paws and beechnut trees. He said September was the time he liked to send them out, and to contact him at that time. Of course, I forgot all about it 'til I saw the recent postings on rec.gardens. I have a telephone phobia, but if there is enough interest I will call him again to see how you all should contact him. Patty, not John. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.his.com!Clone!UUCP Thu Jan 13 09:34:01 EST 1994 Article: 25135 of rec.gardens From: andy.vonkaenel@his.com (Andy vonKaenel) Sender: UUCP@Clone.his.com Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.his.com!Clone!UUCP Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Pressure Treated Lumber for Raised beds Message-ID: <758175921.AA00853@Clone.his.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 1994 19:40:23 Lines: 10 I'm planning the vegtable garden for the Spring and am considering building raised beds. I can't remember, but some place I read that treated lumber shouldn't be used, something in the chemicals they use can be picked up by the plants. Is this true? Is there some other type of wood I can use without problems? Thanks. Andy From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!harsh Thu Jan 13 09:34:01 EST 1994 Article: 25136 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!harsh From: harsh@austin.ibm.com (Harsh Sharma) Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber for Raised beds Sender: news@austin.ibm.com (News id) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 05:35:14 GMT References: <758175921.AA00853@Clone.his.com> Organization: IBM, Austin Lines: 22 In article <758175921.AA00853@Clone.his.com> andy.vonkaenel@his.com (Andy vonKaenel) writes: > >I'm planning the vegtable garden for the Spring and am considering building >raised beds. I can't remember, but some place I read that treated lumber >shouldn't be used, something in the chemicals they use can be picked up by the >plants. Is this true? Is there some other type of wood I can use without >problems? Thanks. > >Andy > > Andy, I hope you receive my mail, it countains most of the articles on the subject of "Treated Lumber for edging. I am sure it will be of some help. In the end, I decided to use plastic edging. Regards, Harsh- /* my views */ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!batcomputer!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!robi Thu Jan 13 09:34:02 EST 1994 Article: 25137 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!batcomputer!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!robi From: robi@u.washington.edu (robi) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Cycadae (Zamia and Encephalartos) Date: 10 Jan 1994 08:16:42 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2gr2ta$gq3@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Does any body ever talk about Zamia and Encephalartos ? They are beautiful plants, aren't they ? Info on nurseries who sell those plants, please.. Thanks, robijanto soetedjo ctr. for bioengineering u of washington, seattle, wa From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!str-ccsun!strath-cs!cen.ex.ac.uk!afkettle Thu Jan 13 09:34:03 EST 1994 Article: 25138 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!str-ccsun!strath-cs!cen.ex.ac.uk!afkettle From: afkettle@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.F.Kettle) Subject: Re: Vermiculture (worms) Message-ID: Organization: University of Exeter, UK. References: <1994Jan6.095146.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 09:23:52 GMT Lines: 16 I use brandling worms, which are a native british worm - dunno if they exist elsewhere. In a garden wormery they stay active until the temperature drops; I'd guess that they are less active once the outside air temperature is 5-10 degrees Centigrade and below about freezing they dig down and hibernate. My worms have an insulated worm box which I leave outside all year. The advantage this is that I don't have to remember to drain a tap in the bottom of the box! I like to use a box with a large surface area (1m square) as the worms only eat from the top four inches or so. That way, if they are sluggish then the food can be eaten later. Cheers, Anna ;-) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:34:04 EST 1994 Article: 25139 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: gallant@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Clarkia/Godetia - Starting Indoors Date: 10 Jan 1994 08:36:59 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 20 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <0097852D.17D58200.24687@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Does anybody know if it's possible to start Clarkia or Godetia indoors, and if so, how many weeks before last frost. I live in the Maritimes (CANADA) in ZONE 4 or 5, according to most Zone Maps. I would like to try putting some in my garden this summer but because of our short growing season I feel I should start it indoors. Most of the books I have say to plant the seed directly in the garden, and I'm curious now know if it can be started indoors. Purhaps it's like California Poppy, (also, one of the few native annuals), which doesn't take kindly to transplanting. Please mail direct. Thanks for any info. shirley gallant Holland College gallant@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca Charlottetown "If you continue to do what you've always Prince Edward Island done, you'll continue to get what you've Canada always gotten" ~===(h ) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!psmith Thu Jan 13 09:34:04 EST 1994 Article: 25140 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!psmith From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) Subject: Re: Recommend Seed Company Message-ID: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <74.2d2d14fe@axolotl> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 14:43:53 GMT Lines: 8 I can recommend Stokes. I order a lot of seed from them (form part-time market gardening), and over the past few years I have yet to encounter a problem. There catalogue is authoritative and contains lots of variety. A good place to buy from when in doubt, in my opinion. good luck From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM Thu Jan 13 09:34:06 EST 1994 Article: 25141 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM From: Roger.Duvall@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Roger Duvall) Subject: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Message-ID: <19940110084107.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Sender: root@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: rduvall.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR Corporation X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0a References: <2gio8g$jbm@news.u.washington.edu> <19940105083936.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 13:41:00 GMT Lines: 32 In Article <2gio8g$jbm@news.u.washington.edu> "kcarroll@u.washington.edu (Kris Carroll)" says: > In article <19940105083936.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> > Roger.Duvall@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Roger Duvall) writes: > > There are a lot of variables regarding sunlight. If it's too > > shady, your plants won't bloom. How about 4 hours of direct > > morning sunlight? > > I've several azalea that don't know this :) O hours direct sunlight and > covered with bloom every spring. > > Kris Carroll - who keeps forgetting her zone. > Do your plants get indirect or patchy light? I'll admit I'm getting more blooms on my azaleas than my rhododendrons, both growing in my too-shady back yard. Atlanta is a _very_ shady city, and I've seen a lot of disappointment when gardens don't thrive or bloom in the shade. That's why I try to force people to be realistic about just how shady their garden really is. Sometimes it's a better investment to cut down a tree or two than to buy bunch or expensive shrubs. (According to Milton, Adam and Eve had to prune even before the Fall.) Anyway, what are the names of your azaleas? My most successful (and I have a pretty awful hodge-podge) are Red Slipper, George L. Tabor, and Koromo-Shikabu among the evergreens and the native, deciduous azalea, R. canescense. I have a hard time with the Satsukis, which bloom later. They are awfully susceptible to bloom fungus. Roger Duvall -- Zone 7 (I looked it up.) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM!jeff.west Thu Jan 13 09:34:07 EST 1994 Article: 25142 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM!jeff.west From: jeff.west@atlantaga.ncr.com (Jeff West) Subject: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Message-ID: Sender: root@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: jwest.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #7] Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 13:47:25 GMT Lines: 5 I have received Gurney's 1994 Catalog. I would appreciate hearing about people's experiences with them. Do they have good stuff? Prices? Thanks. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM Thu Jan 13 09:34:07 EST 1994 Article: 25143 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM From: Roger.Duvall@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Roger Duvall) Subject: Re: Gingko Message-ID: <19940110090042.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Sender: root@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: rduvall.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR Corporation X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0a References: <1994Jan7.161155.16207@csus.edu> <93344.152850U45218@uicvm.uic.edu> <1994Jan6.185557.13806@gw.wmich.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 14:00:00 GMT Lines: 21 In Article <1994Jan7.161155.16207@csus.edu> "tching@bilge.water.ca.gov (Rice Cube)" says: ... text omitted ... > I posted a while back that when they are roasted, they are close > to the texture of boiled peanuts. It seems that a lot of people east of > Hawaii don't really care for boiled peanuts or roasted gingko nuts. I > guess it is a cultural thing. In addition, it is almost a waste (in terms > of $$) to roast gingkos because it is used in delicacies such as soups and > other fried dishes. Those that roast must have a tree or a lot of $$ to > burn. Oh, BTW, boiled peanuts are a staple at ball games in Hawaii. Boiled peanuts are also popular in the south. When you're driving in the country, you watch for a fire with a big kettle over it. That means boiled peanuts. You can also buy then on your way in to Atlanta stadium to see the Braves. I assume that in Hawaii they are boiled in the shell in very salty water as they are here? From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!ra!leia.nrl.navy.mil!ssgm Thu Jan 13 09:34:09 EST 1994 Article: 25144 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!ra!leia.nrl.navy.mil!ssgm From: ssgm@leia.nrl.navy.mil (Tom Dugan) Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber for Raised beds Message-ID: Sender: ssgm@leia.nrl.navy.mil (SSGM) Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC References: <758175921.AA00853@Clone.his.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 15:43:17 GMT Lines: 33 In article , harsh@austin.ibm.com (Harsh Sharma) writes: |> In article <758175921.AA00853@Clone.his.com> andy.vonkaenel@his.com (Andy vonKaenel) writes: |> > |> >I'm planning the vegtable garden for the Spring and am considering building |> >raised beds. I can't remember, but some place I read that treated lumber |> >shouldn't be used, something in the chemicals they use can be picked up by the |> >plants. Is this true? Is there some other type of wood I can use without |> >problems? Thanks. |> > |> >Andy |> > |> > |> |> Andy, I hope you receive my mail, it countains most of the articles |> on the subject of "Treated Lumber for edging. I am sure it will be |> of some help. |> |> In the end, I decided to use plastic edging. |> |> Regards, |> Harsh- |> |> /* my views */ Woods which have good rot resistance and are commonly available are redwood and cedar. Around here (DC) redwood is way overpriced for something that's going to be rotting (slowly) in the ground, but cedar - the Eastern White Cedar - is quite reasonable (especially if you buy it at a real lumberyard and not a "Home Center"). -- Tom Dugan - Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC ssgm@leia.nrl.navy.mil From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:34:10 EST 1994 Article: 25145 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: jb6778@u.cc.utah.edu (Jay Brummett/Computer Services SLC Public) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Question Medicinal herbs Date: 10 Jan 1994 08:22:35 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 25 Message-ID: <2grrrr$4ba@u.cc.utah.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: u.cc.utah.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Theodore Drake (tdrake@metronet.com) wrote: : I would like to find a source for medicinal herbs. Either root stock, : seeds etc. for these herbs: Astragalus, Schizandra and Echinacea. : Thanks in advance! Echinacea is the commom purple cone flower, avaialable in seed form and nur-stock almost everywhere. The best med form of Echinacea grows on Rosebud in South Dakota. Astragalus is milk vetch, needs to be started from seed in the mid to late winter in pots and placed outdoors. This one is much harder to grow than Echinacea. I'm unsure on a source of seed, I got mine by division, you can do so in the early spring but you must replant it ASAP (and I mean ASAP) as you dig it up and divide or it does not make it. I have no knowlege of the third herb about which you want info. good luck jay Cecala Ptehincalaska -------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM!jeff.west Thu Jan 13 09:34:11 EST 1994 Article: 25146 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncratl!ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM!jeff.west From: jeff.west@atlantaga.ncr.com (Jeff West) Subject: Fine bladed perennial rye grass Message-ID: Sender: root@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: jwest.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #7] Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 14:51:46 GMT Lines: 7 Can anyone give info on this? What is the season when it is green? What are the sun, soil, and water requirements? How about mowing height? I have heard that the roots of Rye are good for penetrating hard soils. Can I overseed this with a fescue lawn and be compatable/look good or should I use annual rye instead? Does rye stand up to traffic better than turf-type fescue? Anyone know of good brands of turf fescue? Thanks! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:34:12 EST 1994 Article: 25147 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!eis.calstate.edu!eis.calstate.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Thiamine (vitamin B1) as a root-stimulator? Message-ID: <2grtgj$43d@eis.calstate.edu> From: bmoon@eis.calstate.edu (Bruce A. Moon) Date: 10 Jan 1994 07:50:43 -0800 References: <2gpd0j$ae1@engage.sps.mot.com> Organization: California Technology Project of The Calif State Univ NNTP-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Lines: 7 Latest research I have seen says B1 is useless; however, most of these solutions have other materials that may be beneficial. Those materials have not been evaluated as closely. -- Bruce Moon Rio Linda, CA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes Thu Jan 13 09:34:14 EST 1994 Article: 25148 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes From: hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) Subject: Re: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 17:22:03 GMT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbs114.boi.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 15 I have had fair to good results with their seed, mostly from last year. Unfortunately, last summer was bizarre -- uncommonly cold for Idaho, with an almost complete absence of the long hot spells needed to ripen corn and melons, etc. -- so I can't really judge the seeds that didn't produce well. I am especially pleased with their customer service. When one order didn't show up, I placed a call and it was replaced immediately, no hassle. Their technical support/horticultural staff was knowledgeable and helpful, even to the point of finding a source for me for a type of popping corn seed they didn't carry. As a tack-on question: has anyone ordered their strawberries? Results? - Gary Hypes - From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!bridge2!priag Thu Jan 13 09:34:15 EST 1994 Article: 25149 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!bridge2!priag From: priag@NSD.3Com.COM (Pria Graves) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: Date: 10 Jan 94 17:43:37 GMT References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Sender: news@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM Followup-To: alt.folklore.herbs Organization: 3Com Corp., Santa Clara, CA. Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: tenaya.nsd.3com.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1541 rec.gardens:25149 burkhard@crl.com (Tom Burkhard) writes: > Does anyone have any good sources for seeds (or plants) for someone > who would like to grow herbs at home. I already grow basil, > tarragon, and some of the more common herbs but I'd like to try some > of the less common ones--like Valerian for instance. You might try Goodwin Creek Gardens, box 83, Williams, OR 97544, 503/846-7357. I've not ordered from them but they do carry Valerian plants and lots of other other interesting stuff including 30 salvias and even more scented geraniums. Pria From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes Thu Jan 13 09:34:16 EST 1994 Article: 25150 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hypes From: hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) Subject: Watering Corn Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 17:36:49 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbs114.boi.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 14 What's the best method for watering corn? I'm considering putting in some sprinklers in my garden plots this spring, but I'm also planning on planting lots of corn, a few different varieties needing physical separation and interval plantings. To compound the problem, I would like to 'rotate' my crops a bit every year, but if it means screwing up my sprinkler configuration, I'm not sure... I've used soaker hoses with mixed success. They seem to work great for my strawberries, but they were pretty worthless for my fruit trees. How about corn and garden vegetables in general? Thx, Gary Hypes From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!wupost!foo.wustl.edu!nedehn Thu Jan 13 09:34:18 EST 1994 Article: 25151 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!wupost!foo.wustl.edu!nedehn From: nedehn@ArtSci.WuStL.EDU (Natasha Elizabeth Dehn) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: n Date: 10 Jan 1994 18:08:53 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 2 Message-ID: <2gs5jl$ke@foo.wustl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mango.wustl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] test From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!foo.wustl.edu!nedehn Thu Jan 13 09:34:20 EST 1994 Article: 25152 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!foo.wustl.edu!nedehn From: nedehn@ArtSci.WuStL.EDU (Natasha Elizabeth Dehn) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Rosemary Date: 10 Jan 1994 18:34:34 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2gs73q$ke@foo.wustl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mango.wustl.edu Summary: Rosemary NEEDS water Keywords: rosemary X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] i've tried several times to do a followup posting to the various articles re. rosemary which have appeared in recent weeks, but our newsserver wasn't functioning properly--thus this delayed contribution to the discussion. the general tenor of earlier remarks encouraged limited watering of rosemary--i'm here to warn everyone that this policy can be disastrous if your rosemary lives in a pot, as mine does. rosemary may be adapted to arid conditions, but since it is NOT a succulent, it must rely on an extensive root system to find necessary moisture. a potted plant is deprived of this natural defence, and in my experience is far more liable to die back in arid conditions than to bloom! the rodale encyclopedia of herbs warns equally against over and underwatering: they even suggest MISTING! since it requires good drainage, i've found i need to water my plant nearly every day. if your rosemary lives outdoors in southern california, you are a lucky soul, and i'm jealous--but if you live in one of the many place where it is necessary to bring your plant in every winter, be careful! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!wave.scar!manitou.astro!harper Thu Jan 13 09:34:22 EST 1994 Article: 25153 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!wave.scar!manitou.astro!harper From: harper@manitou.utoronto.ca (John Harper) Subject: foxglove - how to keep? Message-ID: Originator: harper@manitou.astro.utoronto.ca Sender: usenet@wave.scar.utoronto.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: manitou.astro.utoronto.ca Organization: Dept. of Astronomy, U of Toronto, Scarborough Campus Distribution: na Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 15:18:16 GMT Lines: 20 Last year (before I clearly knew they where bienniel) I grew several Foxglove (a hybrid mix) from seed and planted them in the shady spot at the end of the yard. Naturally, they did not flower then, but I have high hopes for this year. The question is, being bienniel, how do I get them to come back next year? Some books indicate that they must be divided etc, but I am not clear exactly what that means in this case, nor when to do it. Will they try to develop new crowns after flowering (my guess) which need to be separated from the parent? Or do I just hack the root in half? Or do I have to start new ones from seed this year?? Please respond via email, and thanks in advance for any help. John ----------------------------- John Harper "There's someone in my head, but it's not me" -- Pink Floyd Dept. of Astronomy, U. of Toronto, Scarborough Campus harper@manitou.astro.utoronto.ca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msc.edu!cdsmail!timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv Thu Jan 13 09:34:23 EST 1994 Article: 25154 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msc.edu!cdsmail!timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv From: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe) Subject: LOW LOW pressure drip irrigation Message-ID: <1994Jan10.112448.26643@walter.cray.com> Keywords: I have access to a source of water in my garden at VERY Lines: 9 Sender: gwv@eastrg2 (George Vandenberghe) Nntp-Posting-Host: eastrg2-gate.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. Date: 10 Jan 94 11:24:48 CST low pressure. All of the drip systems I have seen in stores and catalogs run from city water pressure of 10-50PSI. I have a head of only three feet which is about 0.8 PSI. Are there any drip systems that will run at such low pressures? From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msc.edu!cdsmail!timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv Thu Jan 13 09:34:24 EST 1994 Article: 25155 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msc.edu!cdsmail!timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv From: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe) Subject: Re: WARNING!!! Michigan Bulb Company Message-ID: <1994Jan10.112650.26914@walter.cray.com> Lines: 8 Sender: gwv@eastrg2 (George Vandenberghe) Nntp-Posting-Host: eastrg2-gate.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. References: <16869.j-easl@maroon.tc.umn.edu> <2gptar$r5@mailer.fsu.edu> Date: 10 Jan 94 11:26:49 CST In article <2gptar$r5@mailer.fsu.edu>, stanlem@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Martha Stanley) writes: |> -- |> On a chilly day such as today, aren't you glad you're a mammal? |> |> stanlem@freenet.fsu.edu (Martha Stanley, Tallahassee, Florida) |> The best way to have a good idea is to have lots of ideas first! Only till I have to eat!! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!seven-up.East.Sun.COM!dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM!southpaw!jriggs Thu Jan 13 09:34:26 EST 1994 Article: 25156 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!seven-up.East.Sun.COM!dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM!southpaw!jriggs From: jriggs@southpaw.East.Sun.COM (Justin Riggs - PC Networking/Engineering) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Date: 10 Jan 1994 18:33:09 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC Lines: 30 Sender: jriggs@southpaw (Justin Riggs - PC Networking/Engineering) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gs716$ljg@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: southpaw.east.sun.com In article , hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes: > I have had fair to good results with their seed, mostly from last year. > Unfortunately, last summer was bizarre -- uncommonly cold for Idaho, > with an almost complete absence of the long hot spells needed to ripen > corn and melons, etc. -- so I can't really judge the seeds that didn't > produce well. > > I am especially pleased with their customer service. When one order > didn't show up, I placed a call and it was replaced immediately, no > hassle. Their technical support/horticultural staff was knowledgeable > and helpful, even to the point of finding a source for me for a type of > popping corn seed they didn't carry. > > As a tack-on question: has anyone ordered their strawberries? Results? > > - Gary Hypes - -- Yes, we ordered strawberries (25 Honeyoe plants) from Gurney's 2 years ago. The plants arrived right on schedule, and were excellent quality. The end result? Last year we harvested about 5 gallons of strawberries. Joe Riggs Sun Microsystems, Inc. Phone: 508-442-0461 EMail: jriggs@East.Sun.COM From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!kinsel Thu Jan 13 09:34:27 EST 1994 Article: 25157 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!kinsel From: kinsel@sde.hp.com (Linda Kinsel) Subject: Re: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Sender: news@fc.hp.com (news daemon) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 19:20:23 GMT Reply-To: kinsel@sde.hp.com References: Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcsup.sde.hp.com Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0.11] Lines: 15 : I have received Gurney's 1994 Catalog. I would appreciate hearing about : people's experiences with them. Do they have good stuff? Prices? I've been buying plants and seeds from Gurney for a long time and have been quite happy with them. They do ship me dead plants now and then, and not everything grows, but they have a TERRIFIC customer service department. If you do have a problem, you just call them up and let them know. You don't have to provide proof of purchase or ship back dead plants or write letters. They keep your orders on computer, so you just call up, tell them what died, and let them know if you want a refund or a new plant. Their prices are cheaper than most places. Their quality varies, but in general, I've been pleased. Linda Kinsel From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!moe.coe.uga.edu!joanm Thu Jan 13 09:34:28 EST 1994 Article: 25158 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!moe.coe.uga.edu!joanm From: joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu (Joan Maxfield UCNS) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Aquarium water = grey water? Date: 10 Jan 1994 20:10:14 GMT Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 15 Message-ID: <2gscn6$qd0@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> References: <2glk91INNmn9@medicine.wustl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.coe.uga.edu I used my aquarium water on my patio container garden and my houseplants and it worked great, with one exception. When our goldfish tank had a BAD ammonia spike after medicating the fish, the ammonia in the water killed several plants and really mangled Dans philodendron. At least that was all we could find that was out of the ordinary when all the plants started dying! Be careful! Joan -- Joan C. Maxfield * "Je Crois que je vais cracher une joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu * boule de poils" -Henri de la Barbe maxfield@phoenix.cs.uga.edu * From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!psmith Thu Jan 13 09:34:29 EST 1994 Article: 25159 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,alt.sustainable.agriculture Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!psmith From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) Subject: Human-powered Seeders Message-ID: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 19:54:18 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25159 alt.sustainable.agriculture:1940 Calling all large-scale gardeners (especially market gardeners). I'd like to hear some opinions on use of human-powered seeders. In particular I would like to know what type(s) you've used, how effective they are and where they can be purchased by mail order. One of the most widely advertised appears to be the Earthway Precision Garden Seeder. I have also seen a sturdier looking machine for about 3 times the cost, but I forget who manufactures it. This year, I want to use such a device primarily for corn, beans, peas and beets, but I'll consider it for other uses in the future. Post to net or email me, and I'll summarize personal responses for the net. Thanks in advance for sharing your experience/wisdom! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:34:30 EST 1994 Article: 25160 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Soil Blocker Date: 10 Jan 1994 00:58:01 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 9 Message-ID: <2gq96p$oj7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I just got a set of soil blockers (little cubes and larger blocks) for Xmas and wondered if anyone else has ever used these. I tried out the cuber yesterday with some soiless seed starter mix and they came out OK. I realize I'll have to be very careful with watering until root formation but wondered if anyone has any other tips or success/failure stories. Jan jlupson@uoguelph.ca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!utne.zk3.dec.com!magma.zk3.dec.com!duane Thu Jan 13 09:34:31 EST 1994 Article: 25161 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!utne.zk3.dec.com!magma.zk3.dec.com!duane From: duane@magma.zk3.dec.com (Andrew Duane USG/PE) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Date: 10 Jan 1994 20:24:05 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2gsdh5$ifq@utne.zk3.dec.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: magma.zk3.dec.com In article jeff.west@atlantaga.ncr.com (Jeff West) writes: >I have received Gurney's 1994 Catalog. I would appreciate hearing about >people's experiences with them. Do they have good stuff? Prices? Well, after two good reviews of Gurney's, I guess I have to be the party pooper. I ordered a very large assortment of things from them, mostly small tress and shrubs. I am doing a lot of landscaping and mass plantings, and got tired of paying $30 each for shrubs. Well, they said they were going to ship mid-march (I'm in Zone 4 NH). I told them NO WAY!!! We have 2' of snow on the ground in mid-march. Also, I asked that the shipments be staggered, since I was getting over 100 trees and shrubs. Well, mid-April, EVERYTHING showed up at once. I had to drop everything, pay extra $$$ to get a backhoe in to dig holes, and spent 3 days putting this huge order in the ground. Then, I discovered that they had substituted almost everything with smaller sizes. They had issued coupons (lots of 50 cent ones) to "compensate" me, but most were thrown out since I didn't notice them stapled inside the plant labels. After about two months, I saw that out of 150 specimens, about 4 still lived. I think they have died this winter. Next spring, I intend to give hell to their customer service, after I verify the extent of the die-out. Summary: I will *never* deal with Gurney's again. -- Andrew L. Duane (JOT-7) duane@zk3.dec.com Digital Equipment Corporation (603)-881-1294 110 Spit Brook Road M/S ZKO3-3/U14 Nashua, NH 03062-2698 Only my cat shares my opinions, but I didn't order any catnip. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver.usl.com!netnews.usl.com!netnews.usl.com!mrd Thu Jan 13 09:34:32 EST 1994 Article: 25162 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver.usl.com!netnews.usl.com!netnews.usl.com!mrd From: mrd@village.usl.com (-eww-+DeCorte M.) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Chocolate News Group? Date: 10 Jan 94 14:40:15 Organization: Unix System Laboratories Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gffne$71p@hub.ucsb.edu> <2gjnd2$60o@zikzak.apana.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: village.summit.novell.com In-reply-to: audrey@zikzak.apana.org.au's message of 8 Jan 1994 00:17:08 +1100 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64593 rec.food.veg:33609 rec.gardens:25162 In article <2gjnd2$60o@zikzak.apana.org.au> audrey@zikzak.apana.org.au (Audrey Falconer) writes: >> On a similar topic, does anyone know if anything is happening with the >> chocolate newsgroup that someone was discussing a while back? Chocolate! As a holder of a lifetime subscription to Chocolatier I WANT this. I'm sure that if we have a vote that it will pass. All I have to do is bribe all my friends with chocolate truffles to vote yes. -- Michael DeCorte mrd@summit.novell.com 908-522-6287 Unix System Laboratories 190 River Rd Room F230 Summit, NJ 07901 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!milano!photon.mcc.com!breland Thu Jan 13 09:34:33 EST 1994 Article: 25163 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!milano!photon.mcc.com!breland From: breland@photon.mcc.com (Mark A. Breland) Subject: Re: Adding organic matter to established l Message-ID: Sender: news@mcc.com Reply-To: breland@photon.mcc.com Organization: MCC References: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 19:37:59 GMT Lines: 26 In article 94Jan7114230@diamond.idbsu.edu, ajh@diamond.idbsu.edu (Andrew Huang) writes: >Lynda Atkinson,992-2131,,747-4470) writes: > > Lynda, slave to the golden hoard, I also landscape with > dogs. Anyone else have dogs that pick and eat berries by > themselves? > >Yes! On a hike once, our yellow lab got really busy roaming a >meadowful of wild strawberries. Then a couple of years ago, we had a >small tomato garden and each week we look expectantly for that tomato >that was yellow and getting ready to be red...Somehow we never ever >saw them get red. Saffron!!! you schmuck! We finally did a daily >inventory (it was a tiny garden) and figure that she had applied her >newfound skills to domestic gardens. Ditto...must be something about Labs. My black Lab ALWAYS picked the beautiful, ripe, red tomatoes the day I was planning on picking them myself. Never touched the green ones though. Who says dogs are colorblind anyway?... ;) --- Mark A. Breland - Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation (MCC) Advanced Systems and Networks | voice: (512) 338-3509 3500 West Balcones Center Drive | FAX: (512) 338-3900 Austin, Texas 78759-6509 USA | internet: breland@mcc.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!att-in!att-out!cbfsb!cbict3.cb.att.com!mcswain Thu Jan 13 09:34:34 EST 1994 Article: 25164 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!att-in!att-out!cbfsb!cbict3.cb.att.com!mcswain From: mcswain@cbict3.cb.att.com (Dale McSwain) Subject: Re: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Message-ID: Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com Sender: mcswain@cbict3.att.com (Dale McSwain) Nntp-Posting-Host: cbict3.cb.att.com Reply-To: dm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Columbus X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-6 References: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 20:49:54 GMT Lines: 7 I also have was pleased with Gurney's custormer service. Does anyone know if Gurneys and Fields are related in some way? Their catalogs are very similar. Dale McSwain dm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!att-in!att-out!cbfsb!cbict3.cb.att.com!mcswain Thu Jan 13 09:34:36 EST 1994 Article: 25165 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!att-in!att-out!cbfsb!cbict3.cb.att.com!mcswain From: mcswain@cbict3.cb.att.com (Dale McSwain) Subject: Kale, Brussel sprouts and Snow and Winter gardening Message-ID: Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com Sender: mcswain@cbict3.att.com (Dale McSwain) Nntp-Posting-Host: cbict3.cb.att.com Reply-To: dm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Columbus X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-6 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:05:34 GMT Lines: 22 Greetings Fellow Gardeners, I squeaked through the foot or so of snow in my yard last week out to the rear garden to check on things. The brussel sprouts were frozen solid in the snow as was the kale. I had to pull my gloves off to pull the sprouts from under the icy leaves and by the time I got through my fingers were numb. Fresh frozen greens , Delicious. It was quite a treat to harvest fresh albeit frozen greens in January. Has anyone tried to use the horse manure and hay method of heating a cold frame? How often do you have to renew the compost? What kind of insulation does a cold frame need to grow lettuce in the middle of winter in zone 5? What other vegetables are as resistant to cold as Kale? Dale dm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rand.org!rand.org!Trink_Downes Thu Jan 13 09:34:37 EST 1994 Article: 25166 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rand.org!rand.org!Trink_Downes From: Trink_Downes@rand.org (Trijntje (Trink) Downes) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: landscape programs Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 16:17:38 Organization: Rand Corp., Washington DC Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: downes.rand.org X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #9] Hi all, Newbie to the group, so be patient if this comes up every other week... :> 1. Where is the FAQ? 2. I would like a cheapware/shareware/freeware program (Windows or DOS) for garden layout planning. I've seen quite a few cheapware things out there in stores, but frequently shareware from the net gives you more bang for your buck. Somehow using Autocad at work seems like such overkill... (besides, I'm not that good at it) :> replies by email, post, whatever. many thanks. Trink --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Trijntje (Trink) Downes | .sig of the month: - Internet: Trink_Downes@rand.org | - Rand Corp., Washington DC | I'd vote for practically anybody - "My opinions only, not theirs" | who doesn't say "Nu-Q-Ler". From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!amdahl!lalitha Thu Jan 13 09:34:38 EST 1994 Article: 25167 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!amdahl!lalitha From: lalitha@uts.amdahl.com (Lalitha Krishnamurthy) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Keywords: SEED SAVERS Message-ID: <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> Date: 10 Jan 94 21:16:18 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 24 I tried to contact SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE 3076 N. WINN RD. DECORAH, IOWA 52101. by sending them a $1 for catalogue etc. for more info However they have not responded to me yet. It has been a month I tried to reach Decorah thro directory assistance , However the operator mentioned that there was no Seed savers Exchange in Decorah Iowa . Any info ?? lalitha ==================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!sernews!chandler.austin.ibm.com!bc Thu Jan 13 09:34:39 EST 1994 Article: 25168 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!sernews!chandler.austin.ibm.com!bc From: chandler@austin.ibm.com () Subject: Re: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Message-ID: Sender: bc@chandler.austin.ibm.com () Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:03:30 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: chandler.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 Lines: 58 -- >Do your plants get indirect or patchy light? I'll admit I'm getting >more blooms on my azaleas than my rhododendrons, both growing in my >too-shady back yard. Atlanta is a _very_ shady city, and I've seen >a lot of disappointment when gardens don't thrive or bloom in the shade. >That's why I try to force people to be realistic about just how shady >their garden really is. Sometimes it's a better investment to cut down >a tree or two than to buy bunch or expensive shrubs. (According to >Milton, Adam and Eve had to prune even before the Fall.) > >Anyway, what are the names of your azaleas? My most successful (and I >have a pretty awful hodge-podge) are Red Slipper, George L. Tabor, >and Koromo-Shikabu among the evergreens and the native, deciduous azalea, >R. canescense. I have a hard time with the Satsukis, which bloom later. >They are awfully susceptible to bloom fungus. > > Roger Duvall -- Zone 7 (I looked it up.) > I have received a lot of good help. I would like to take this offline(email) as to not burden the newsgroup, but I do not know your (Roger Duvall's) email address. Mine is chandler@austin.ibm.com. I have George L. Tabor, Fashion and Gumpo Pink azaleas on the north side of my house, there is a fence to their east (5ft high, 5-10ft away.) They get 2-3 hours direct afternoon sunlight daily. In what situations is indirect sunlight found? (Would it bounce off a light colored fence?) I have a Coral Bells azalea with just a 5ft fence 10ft away on its East. It gets several hours sunlight daily. Not an ideal planting, more of an experiment. I planted all of these this year so I will hopefully see them bloom first next Spring. I have an area on the East side of my house that is sandwiched between two 2-story homes and only gets 3 hours(winter) direct morning sunlight daily. The rest of the time the two houses provide dense shade, although some indirect light may bounce off the houses. I would like to experiment with a couple Rhododendrons there. My Rhododendron candidates for the hot Austin, Texas climate so far are: *Anna Rose Whitney Scintillation PJM (seems to grow everywhere) Janet Blair Jean Marie de Montague (I haven't heard anyone in the South recommend this, but I am looking for a red) Trude Webster Wheatley someone recommended Albert Close, Damozel, and Grierosplendour but I do not know much about them. I am more interested in a nice-looking plant than nice-looking flowers, since I think the combination of heat and dense shade will combine for poor blooming. Any recommendations? From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!af564 Thu Jan 13 09:34:40 EST 1994 Article: 25169 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!af564 From: af564@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Hong) Subject: Help with a dying Benji tree Message-ID: Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca Reply-To: af564@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Hong) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:39:12 GMT Lines: 17 As the subject says my benji tree is dying or it seems to be. I just purchased it and it is losing all of its leaves. Any help is appreciated. please email info to af564@freenet.carleton.ca Thanks Sarah Oh the tree's proper name is ficus benjamina standard if that is any help -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.cs.indiana.edu!babbage.ece.uc.edu!ucunix.san.uc.edu!ucunix.san.uc.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:34:41 EST 1994 Article: 25170 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.cs.indiana.edu!babbage.ece.uc.edu!ucunix.san.uc.edu!ucunix.san.uc.edu!not-for-mail From: peterson@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John M. Peterson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Job's Tears Date: 10 Jan 1994 16:18:15 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gsgmn$q93@ucunix.san.uc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ucunix.san.uc.edu Would someone please point out a source for Job's Tears ( coix lacryma-jobi ), either seeds or plants. None of my catalogs seem to carry them. Thanks! +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | peterson@headcheese.daa.uc.edu In real life: John M. Peterson | | | | College of Design Architecture Art & Planning | | University of Cincinnati 45221-0016 513-556-1207 | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!uunet!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!stimpy!pstryjew Thu Jan 13 09:34:42 EST 1994 Article: 25171 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!uunet!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!stimpy!pstryjew From: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Pete Stryjewski) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Cold Frame Weather-tightness? Date: 10 Jan 1994 22:01:35 GMT Organization: "Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation, Dallas, TX." Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gsj7vINNscj@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> Reply-To: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.central.sun.com Fellow Gardeners, I have a question regarding cold frames. I have just built one (without plans) from some old windows, it looks pretty good IMNSHO. The question is how weathertight or insulated it should be? Right now I have about a .5->1 inch gap between the windows (that make up the cover), I have a cross member that fits between the windows (see below). Should I make a bigger cross piece? Use weatherstripping to make a tighter seal? I most concerned about cold air leaking in while I am trying to give some indoor starts a head start. I would imagine that the frame should not be too air tight, or the plants may bake even on a cold day. Bad ASCII drawing: Removable cross piece | Total combined gap approx 3/4 inch __________ V __________ | | || | | | Window |G||G|Window | | |A||A| | | |P||P| | --------- || --------- Any suggestions? Pete Stryjewski pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!uunet!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!stimpy!pstryjew Thu Jan 13 09:34:44 EST 1994 Article: 25172 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!pipex!uunet!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!stimpy!pstryjew From: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Pete Stryjewski) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Amending soil around an established plant? Date: 10 Jan 1994 22:02:43 GMT Organization: "Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation, Dallas, TX." Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gsja3INNscj@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> Reply-To: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.central.sun.com Fellow Gardeners, I planted a climbing hydrogena (sp) last summer. I was going into some very poor soil, so I amended it with some composted manure. The problem is that I don't think I amended it enough or far enough around the roots. Should I dig the plant back out and try again or leave the plant in place and amend the soil around the root ball? The plant is growing well, but the soil just won't hold much water so frequent watering is necessary. Suggestions? Pete Stryjewski pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!news.bu.edu!att-in!att-out!cbnewsh!dvw Thu Jan 13 09:34:46 EST 1994 Article: 25173 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!bnr.co.uk!uknet!EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!news.bu.edu!att-in!att-out!cbnewsh!dvw From: dvw@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (diane.v.wilkerson) Subject: Re: Sources for Issai Kiwi Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:57:30 GMT Message-ID: References: <2gaekn$dcl@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <940106.13314.KATEW@delphi.com> Lines: 19 In article <940106.13314.KATEW@delphi.com> KATEW@delphi.com writes: >Unfortunately I don't have the new Burpee's next to the computer, but I'm >pretty sure there's an Issai kiwi in it. (If I'm wrong, eeep! I'm sorry. :) > >--Kate Wrightson > Left Burpee's at home, but have Gurney's here: Issai is listed on page 57 under "Hardy Kiwi." "Self-fertile strain," says the caption. USDA Zones 4-9. Item # 0953-141, $8.39 for 1 plant, $7.89 each for two or more. Their number is 1-605-665-1930, Gurney's Seed and Nursery Co., 110 Capital Street, Yankton, SD 57079. [I've never ordered anything from this company, so I don't know the quality of the product.] -- Diane Wilkerson | AT&T | ..!att!cbnewsh!dvw | (908) 615-2704 | From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.mentorg.com!rreid!rreid Thu Jan 13 09:34:47 EST 1994 Article: 25174 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.mentorg.com!rreid!rreid From: rreid@rreid.mentorg.com (Richard Reid) Subject: Bat House Message-ID: <1994Jan10.230908.25589@news.mentorg.com> Sender: rreid@rreid (Richard Reid) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 23:09:08 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: rreid.mentorg.com Organization: mentor Keywords: batman, bats, houses, insects, plans Followup-To: Lines: 22 Okay, Since the city saw fit to bulldoze the 47 acres that surrounded my house, I'm attempting to create a bit of a refugee camp for some of the local wild life. Does anyone have plans for building a Bat House? I've seen a few, but nver have my tape measure handy. Please don't send the address for Bat Conservation Groups. I have it. I'm not interested in Bats as a species, I just want to keep the ones we have around. What I need is measurements. Thanks rick -- Rick Reid rreid@wv.mentorg.com -- Mentor Graphics Corporation "He looked so aloof out there and ran the bases in the wrong direction" refering to Carl Egger (1985-1993) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!lholmes Thu Jan 13 09:34:49 EST 1994 Article: 25175 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!lholmes From: lholmes@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Leonard Holmes) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Growing Palms Date: 10 Jan 1994 23:12:50 GMT Organization: Tallahassee Free-Net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2gsndi$plt@mailer.fsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet2.scri.fsu.edu I grow hardy palm trees in Williamsburg, VA (zone 7B/8A). Does anyone know of Internet resources on palms? I haven't really found anything. There are several species that do ok here, and one (Needle palm) is even hardy to Washington DC. Leonard Holmes -- Leonard Holmes..............Clinical Psychologist, hardy palm grower lholmes@freenet.fsu.edu................holmes.leonard@hampton.va.gov lholmes@aol.............USDA zone 7B/8A...........lghol1@mail.wm.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!timbuk.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv Thu Jan 13 09:34:50 EST 1994 Article: 25176 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!timbuk.cray.com!walter.cray.com!eastrg2!gwv From: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe) Subject: Re: Fine bladed perennial rye grass Message-ID: <1994Jan10.154020.27637@walter.cray.com> Lines: 28 Sender: gwv@eastrg2 (George Vandenberghe) Nntp-Posting-Host: eastrg2-gate.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. References: Date: 10 Jan 94 15:40:19 CST I am not a turfgrass expert. But here is what I have seen. In the Washington DC area perennial ryegrass stays green later in the fall and greens up earlier in the spring than any other grass. However its summer hardiness is marginal. It is finer than Tall Fescue but not as fine as the fine fescues; about as fine as bluegrass. It is very vigorous from seed in the fall; much more so than bluegrass. I worked at a golf course in the DC area in 1977 and 1978 as a general labourer and this is where I saw most of it. They would start overseeding the bermudagrass fairways and tees with it around Labor day and it would make decent winter green fairways. In early summer the bermudagrass would crowd it out. However in the summer of 1977 there was almost no surviving bermudagrass after the brutally cold dry winter of 1976-77 so they had to carry the perennial rye through the summer. With irrigation it survived and stayed green. In this area, (Washington DC). Tall fescue is probably the best lawn grass for general use (Zoysia makes excellent summer color but is dormant for a long time in the winter; Bluegrass is prettier but takes more work and is not as tolerant of foot traffic.) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!ieunet!maths.tcd.ie!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:34:51 EST 1994 Article: 25177 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!ieunet!maths.tcd.ie!not-for-mail From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Cactus fans Date: 10 Jan 1994 23:56:04 -0000 Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2gspuk$6kr@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: salmon.maths.tcd.ie Is there a mailing list for cactus growers? P. -- moorcockdenislearypratchettdelasouliainmbanksneworderheathersu2batmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y "Hey, you know, I met a lot of cool chicks, but james dublin ireland I never met a girl with all her own teeth" -NO brownbladerunnersugarcubesjohnwooelectronicblaylockpowershiassenham'ncornpizza From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!zack Thu Jan 13 09:34:52 EST 1994 Article: 25178 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!zack From: zack@austin.ibm.com (Dave Zack) Subject: Swiss Chard/Kale Sender: news@austin.ibm.com (News id) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 22:50:41 GMT Reply-To: zack@oneway.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Austin Lines: 19 Hi All, Does anyone have any good ways to prepare Swiss Chard or Kale? I have a bunch but do not know what to do with it. That may sound weird but I have a habit of just growing stuff for the heck of it. When I actually get it to grow I do not know what to do with it! One other question, how do you harvest Brocoli and Brussel Sprouts? Do you just cut the Brocoli? Does more appear after a bit? I think the Brussel Sprouts will show up on the stem under the leaves in a while....Will the Chard and Kale be able to last through the hot Texas Summer? Ooops another question, sorry. Any and all help would be welcome. -- Cheers, Dave Zack (512) 823-9558 ===> zack@oneway.austin.ibm.com Vendor IBM Austin or zack%rugby.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:34:53 EST 1994 Article: 25179 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Message-ID: <1994Jan10.184244.21359@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 10 Jan 94 18:42:44 -0600 References: <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> Distribution: usa Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 24 In article <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, lalitha@uts.amdahl.com (Lalitha Krishnamurthy) writes: > > I tried to contact > > SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE > 3076 N. WINN RD. > DECORAH, IOWA 52101. As I recall, the real address is North Winnesheik Road, not Winn... but why you had trouble reaching them by phone is anyone's guess... I know I got through easily last summer when I called to see if they had been washed away in the flooding (they haven't)... I'm sorry, but I don't have the number anymore. If they can't find Seed Saver's, ask for Heritage Farm. I'd guess you haven't heard because Seed Saver's is more of a co-op/ clearinghouse/volunteer organization, and they're probably in the throes of working on it. BTW, when I toured SSE last fall, they mentioned possibilities for internships or co-op education programs. 8-) Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!br105 Thu Jan 13 09:34:55 EST 1994 Article: 25180 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!br105 From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Date: 11 Jan 1994 00:58:29 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2gstjm$q8m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) NNTP-Posting-Host: nextsun.ins.cwru.edu My experience with Gurney's has been very good. Everything I've ordered from them--mainly roses-- has grown very well indeed. The only problem I had was that they sent a mislabeled rugosa hybrid; however the plant grew so well (six feet high by five feet wide in 3 years) that I really had no complaint about the quality--just the identity. Anyway, Gurney's seems to be an honest, reliable source of plants and seeds- at least for me. J. Del Col -- Jeff Del Col * "If you listen to music by Beethoven a lot, A-B College * you will never become stupid--unless you already Philippi, WV * are, in which case there's still no harm in it." * -----Uncle Borgel---(AKA Pinkwater) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:34:56 EST 1994 Article: 25181 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Job's Tears Message-ID: <1994Jan10.184750.21360@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 10 Jan 94 18:47:50 -0600 References: <2gsgmn$q93@ucunix.san.uc.edu> Distribution: world Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 18 In article <2gsgmn$q93@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, peterson@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John M. Peterson) writes: > > Would someone please point out a source for > Job's Tears ( coix lacryma-jobi ), either > seeds or plants. None of my catalogs seem > to carry them. Thanks! > Just happened to get the Abundant Life catalog today... It's listed as Job's tears on p. 43, at $1.35/packet. $3 flat shipping charge. Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772/1029 Lawrence St, Pt. Townsend, WA 98368 Order phone 206 385 7192; fax 206 385 7455. Interestingly enough, they offer their catalog on DOS or Mac formatted disk for $8. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!moroney Thu Jan 13 09:34:57 EST 1994 Article: 25182 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Aquarium water = grey water? Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <2glk91INNmn9@medicine.wustl.edu> <2gscn6$qd0@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 00:33:44 GMT Lines: 16 joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu (Joan Maxfield UCNS) writes: >I used my aquarium water on my patio container garden and my >houseplants and it worked great, with one exception. When our >goldfish tank had a BAD ammonia spike after medicating the fish, the >ammonia in the water killed several plants and really mangled Dans >philodendron. At least that was all we could find that was out of the >ordinary when all the plants started dying! Gee, I would think the plants would like that high N fertilizer. (unless you mean by BAD the ammonia was about as strong as what the supermarkets sell... :-)) -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!zib-berlin.de!netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!knowar!mac10.knoware.nl!user Thu Jan 13 09:34:59 EST 1994 Article: 25183 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!zib-berlin.de!netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!knowar!mac10.knoware.nl!user From: klooster@knoware.nl (Gerard van 't Klooster) Subject: interwide turftrials Sender: news@knoware.nl (News Account) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 02:30:02 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: mac10.knoware.nl Organization: barenbrug research Holland BV Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 10 As a turfgrassbreeder I like to seet up an interwide turfgrass trial system all over the world. I will send you a trialplan and seed and the only thing I ask is to send me data 4 times a year. If you need more information you can always mail me. There was a lot response on the first mailing, thanks a lot. i think Internet is a very nice way to get in contact with people to set up an international turftrial and advising system. You can mail me for more information. Gerard van 't Klooster klooster@knoware.nl Netherlands From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bnrgate!bcars267!bcarh807!mcphail Thu Jan 13 09:35:01 EST 1994 Article: 25184 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bnrgate!bcars267!bcarh807!mcphail From: mcphail@bcarh807.bnr.ca (Bernard McPhail) Subject: Re: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Message-ID: <1994Jan10.234830.5429@bnr.ca> Sender: mcphail@bcarh807 (Bernard McPhail) Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh807 Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada References: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 23:48:30 GMT Lines: 20 In article , chandler@austin.ibm.com () writes: |> |> I have received a lot of good help. |> I would like to take this offline(email) as to not burden the newsgroup, but I do not know your (Roger Duvall's) email address. Mine is chandler@austin.ibm.com. Hello all, I've been a casual reader of this group for a while now. I spend more time in the bonsai group though ... In any case, I've found some of your articles very useful and I've been particularly interested by the azalea discussions. I might condense and repost what's relevant to bonsaists over there if no one minds. The reason I'm writing is to ask if you could post a summary or digest of the information you'll be gathering offline ... I'm afraid I can't receive mail. Thanks, Bernard ------ USDA zone 4, CDA zone 5 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!vax.sonoma.edu!butler Thu Jan 13 09:35:02 EST 1994 Article: 25185 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!vax.sonoma.edu!butler Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Which Compost is Best? Message-ID: <1994Jan10.162344.1@vax.sonoma.edu> From: butler@vax.sonoma.edu Date: 10 Jan 94 16:23:44 -0800 Organization: Sonoma State University Nntp-Posting-Host: vax.sonoma.edu Lines: 11 Which type of compost is best? I can get composted cow manure practically free, but mushroom compost is about $15/cu. yard and I have to travel further to get it. Is the mushroom compost any better? I have my own organic compost, but would like to get more to til into my soil. I live in Napa Valley, have adobe soil, and will be planting basic garden veggies such as tomatoes, corn, beans, peppers, squash, etc. Crops in past years have been very good, especially tomatoes; however, I think I can do a little better by improving the soil. Thanks for any suggestions, -Bob Butler (butler@sonoma.edu) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn Thu Jan 13 09:35:03 EST 1994 Article: 25186 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!sempco.UUCP!nickn From: nickn@sempco.UUCP (Nick Notestine) Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Subject: Re: seed catalogs? References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Date: 10 Jan 94 20:21:06 CDT Organization: Sim's Electronic Musicians' Publishing Company Lines: 7 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1545 rec.gardens:25186 When you find an address for an herb seed company could you send it to me? Be carefull with valarian, you shouldn't use to much. Also try Damiana, smoked or made into tea it is the only herb Iv'e found that noticibly affects you. Nick Notestine, please address E-Mail as follows, from INTERNET: sempco!nickn@wupost.wustl.edu UUCP: wupost.wustl.edu!sempco!nickn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news Thu Jan 13 09:35:04 EST 1994 Article: 25187 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news From: kcarroll@u.washington.edu (Kris Carroll) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Date: 11 Jan 1994 02:54:17 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 33 Message-ID: <2gt4cp$7i1@news.u.washington.edu> References: <19940110084107.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: koko.pathology.washington.edu In article <19940110084107.Roger.Duvall@rduvall.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Roger.Duvall@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Roger Duvall) writes: > Do your plants get indirect or patchy light? I'll admit I'm getting > more blooms on my azaleas than my rhododendrons, both growing in my > too-shady back yard. Atlanta is a _very_ shady city, and I've seen The four I was thinking of get very indirect light - 3 decidious. The rest of the yard is dappled. We are an oasis in the midst of a PNW forest of cedar, pine, cedar, hemlock, cedar and some alder. This garden, full of rhodies and azalea, was here when we moved in 18 mos ago so and I'm not sure what they are besides red - all 20+ (the number is uncertain, some day I will go out and count). > their garden really is. Sometimes it's a better investment to cut down > a tree or two than to buy bunch or expensive shrubs. (According to > Milton, Adam and Eve had to prune even before the Fall.) Oh for a lumber co. to come in. And if only that one magnificent cedar would shift a few feet south. And my land is surrounded by a ten acre greenbelt which I must learn to love. (My peony beds will never live here, but I have one strip and it's going to be roses and lilly) > Anyway, what are the names of your azaleas? My most successful (and I > have a pretty awful hodge-podge) are Red Slipper, George L. Tabor, > and Koromo-Shikabu among the evergreens and the native, deciduous azalea, > R. canescense. I have a hard time with the Satsukis, which bloom later. > They are awfully susceptible to bloom fungus. > > Roger Duvall -- Zone 7 (I looked it up.) Okay now for a dumb beginner's question, how do I tell what mine are? other than red (^_^). Kris Carroll From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!destroyer!newncar!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult Thu Jan 13 09:35:05 EST 1994 Article: 25188 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!destroyer!newncar!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult From: jmcnult@orion.it.luc.edu (John A. Mcnulty) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Date: 11 Jan 1994 03:22:57 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 14 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gt62h$idd@apollo.it.luc.edu> References: <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.it.luc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lalitha Krishnamurthy (lalitha@uts.amdahl.com) wrote: : I tried to contact : SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE : by sending them a $1 for catalogue etc. for more info : However they have not responded to me yet. It has been a month Seed Savers is not a commercial seed provider (as I understand it) but rather collects and collates addresses of people who grow specialized plants. Their "catalogue" costs somewhere on the order of $20. Patty From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!news Thu Jan 13 09:35:06 EST 1994 Article: 25189 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!news From: judi@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Judith S. Janette) Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber for Raised beds Message-ID: <1994Jan11.033511.15367@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Nntp-Posting-Host: hilbert.csb.yale.edu Reply-To: judi@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Judith S. Janette) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 03:35:11 GMT Lines: 27 In article ssgm@leia.nrl.navy.mil (Tom Dugan) writes: > In article , harsh@austin.ibm.com (Harsh Sharma) writes: > |> In article <758175921.AA00853@Clone.his.com> andy.vonkaenel@his.com (Andy vonKaenel) writes: > |> > > |> >I'm planning the vegtable garden for the Spring and am considering building > |> >raised beds. I can't remember, but some place I read that treated lumber > |> >shouldn't be used, something in the chemicals they use can be picked up by the > |> >plants. Is this true? Is there some other type of wood I can use without > |> >problems? Thanks. > |> > > |> >Andy Has anyone ever tried building a raised bed with brick or stone? We would also like to build some raised beds, but cedar is out of our budget and plastic's a last resort. There is a lot of free used brick available, though. -- Judi Janette judi@laplace.csb.yale.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0411.cit.cornell.edu!user Thu Jan 13 09:35:08 EST 1994 Article: 25190 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0411.cit.cornell.edu!user From: mhg3@cornell.edu (Mike Griggs) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: microwaving dirt Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: 11 Jan 1994 03:10:35 GMT Organization: Research Support Scientist/Entomologist Lines: 23 Sender: mhg3@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <2g2b9e$edd@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> <59178@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0411.cit.cornell.edu In article <59178@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jgerken@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jaime Gerken) wrote: > In article qwerty@tunisia.ssc.gov (Kris Schludermann) writes: > > > >sure can. it's just like cooking. mix the soil into a moist paste and place in > >a high temp microwave container (some rocks can really hot in the mcrowave). > >i would recomend using a low to mid range setting and stir frequently. > >occasionally turn aggitate the dirt and some how try to slow down the > >water loss. after wards the odor of cooked dirt can be removed from the microwave snipped > > James An easy inexpensive way to autoclave/sterilize soil is to buy a pressure cooker eitier new or used and insert a bowl of your choosing. Soil sterilization just stinks and I would not use a pressure cooker between food and soil nor would I try and use a microwave between soil and food. Remember Euel Gibbin the major organic proponent who died of stomach cancer. Is that poetic irony or what. Just cuz its soil doesn't mean I think it is safe to use in my kitchen, or spew the steam from soil in my kitchen. Rather a five dollor pressure cooker and a cheap fifth burner in the garage. Try it and see for yourself! :-0 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0411.cit.cornell.edu!user Thu Jan 13 09:35:09 EST 1994 Article: 25191 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0411.cit.cornell.edu!user From: mhg3@cornell.edu (Mike Griggs) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Bat House Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: 11 Jan 1994 03:28:27 GMT Organization: Research Support Scientist/Entomologist Lines: 16 Sender: mhg3@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <1994Jan10.230908.25589@news.mentorg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0411.cit.cornell.edu In article <1994Jan10.230908.25589@news.mentorg.com>, rreid@rreid.mentorg.com (Richard Reid) wrote: > Does anyone have plans for building a Bat House? I've > seen a few, but nver have my tape measure handy. > Please don't send the address for Bat Conservation Groups. > I have it. I'm not interested in Bats as a species, I just > want to keep the ones we have around. What I need is > measurements. > Rick Reid Well Rick apparently you fail to realize that by your post noone knows where you live. What species are you dealing with? Without some geographic region or species information it is quite difficult to give your post any real attention. E-mail me a message including some notion as to where you live and I might be able to send some info but I cannnot guarrentee it just cuz most cooperative extension work is of local origin and tapping into this is my source of info. :-0 Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london Thu Jan 13 09:35:11 EST 1994 Article: 25192 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Human-powered Seeders Date: 11 Jan 1994 04:04:39 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 92 Message-ID: <2gt8gn$917@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sunsite.unc.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25192 alt.sustainable.agriculture:1947 Agricultural Hand Tool Sources Request a catalog from: Johnny's Selected Seeds Foss Hill Road Albion, Maine, 04910 Customer service: 1-207-437-4301 They supply EARTHWAY and PLANET, Jr. seeders and will, on request give you information on suppliers of other seeders (i.e. a small hand-carried corn/bean seeder. You may want to hybridyze the EW and the P, Jr. when planting small seeds in rough terrain. An organic vegetable grower North Carolina has successfully done this. Also: >Whole Earth "Ecolog" mentioned five tool suppliers for farm and garden >supplies; my hunch would be try Lehman's Hardware and Appliances, >their catalog is $2.00 from PO Box 41, 4779 Kidron Rd., Kidron OH 44636; >or Cumberland's, catalog $3.00 from rt. 3 box 81, Crossville TN 38555, and >they have a telephone: 615-484-8481. Also: A.E. Leonard somewhere in Ohio or perhaps Illinois Mostly tree maintenance and nursery equipment, plus miscellaneous gardening/landscaping tools/supplies Mellingers Lima, Ohio (I think) similar to Leonard Forestry Suppliers, Inc. somewhere in Alabama or Louisiana tools, equipment and supplies for the forestry industry [I will look up addresses for the above companies if anyone needs them] Langenbach "A Collection of the World's Finest Hand Tools" P.O. Box 453 Blairstown, N.J., 07825 Toll Free: 1-800-362-1991 Excellent! Smith and Hawken "Tools of the Trade - A Complete Source For the Organic Gardener" 25 Corte Madera Mill Valley, California, 94941 1-415-383-2000 Also excellent! you may need to ask them what tools they have for sale that are not listed in their catalogue, i.e. 4"X7" Japanese field hoe, an eye hoe using a 1 3/4" X 54" handle, an indispensible tool! The Cook's Garden "Seeds and Supplies for the New American Kitchen Garden" P.O. Box, 535 Londonderry, Vermont, 05148 Offers the Korean "HO-MI" hand cultivator (curved trowel/cultivator), well-designed and effective Necessary Trading Co. One Nature's Way New Castle, Virginia, 24127-0305 FAX - 703/864-5186 Phone: 1-703-864-5103 "Natural Solutions for Farm, Home and Garden" Wide range of supplies, books, fertilizers, tools and equipment - catalogue headings include: books, composting equipment & supplies, soil testing equipment & supplies, cover crop seeds, fertilizers (their largest offering), pest management supplies and equipment, wild bird supplies, animal care supplies and miscellaneous hand tools. A major supplier, along with Zook & Ranck and Fertrell, for organic farmers and market growers in the Eastern U.S. Also: HARMONY FARM SUPPLY [CAT - $2 deduct. from] P.O. Box 451 [first order] Graton, CA 95444 PEACEFUL VALLEY FARM SUPPLY [CAT - $2 deduct. from] P.O. Box 2209 [first order] Grass Valley, CA 95945 You might also call the folks at ATTRA (Appropriate Technology for Rural Areas) at 1-800-346-9140. This free information service funded by the USDA might have some other names & addresses for you. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:35:13 EST 1994 Article: 25193 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: house plants Date: 11 Jan 1994 04:40:48 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 32 Message-ID: <2gtakg$mi@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <1994Jan8.222416.1@vax.sonoma.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] blake@vax.sonoma.edu wrote: : O.K. So, it's not exactly a gardening question. I have trouble with : certain housplants, and others I don't. I can't seem to keep a : Boston fern alive for the life of me. I have a spider plant which is : also fading fast, and I can't figure out if it's over or under : watered. I try to keep the soil moist, but not soggy - maybe : watering every three - four days, but water sits at the bottom of the : pan between waterings. Is that bad? Should I empty the excess after : each watering? I mist many of my plants, including the spider and : the fern. How do I know which plants need fertilizer, what kind, : when to use, and how much? : Any help on any of this from you green-thumbs out there will be : appreciated greatly. : E-mail to Blake@sonoma.edu I'm not much of an expert either but will let you know what has worked for me. It sounds to me as if you're watering too much. I generally tend to let my plants dry out a bit - if I stick my finger in the soil and it's dry, I water until water runs through. Definitely don't leave water in the bottom after watering, I think it can drown the roots. For my Boston fern, it tends to get a paler green when it needs water so I go by that and then water it well. In terms of fertilizer, the Boston fern should get half-strength fertilizer. I'm not very consistent about fertilizing but try for 1-2 times per month (all my plants are in soil-less mixes). Make sure the soil is not dry when you add liquid fertilizer solution or it could burn the roots. I'd recommend buying a house plant book - I've got the Simon and Schuster's Guide to House Plants and it seems pretty good. Jan jlupson@uoguelph.ca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!harsh Thu Jan 13 09:35:14 EST 1994 Article: 25194 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!harsh From: harsh@austin.ibm.com (Harsh Sharma) Subject: Re: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Sender: news@austin.ibm.com (News id) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 04:59:25 GMT References: Organization: IBM, Austin Lines: 19 In article chandler@austin.ibm.com () writes: >I would like to take this offline(email) as to not burden the newsgroup, but I do not know your (Roger Duvall's) email address. Mine is chandler@austin.ibm.com. > I hope you continue to post, I am interested in this discussion. New to Gardenning I love to read posts like these, especially if they have to do with Austin. One question that I always have about the amount of light is - What is meant by "full sun", "partial sun" and "shade"? I do understand what that means in English :-), but how may hours of Sun would satisfy each one of the conditions? I would really be interested in knowing as it pertains to Austin, since it does get hot here. Does that mean a full sun in say, zone 4, is not the same as full sun in Zone 8? Thank you, Harsh- /* my views */ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!beckyc Thu Jan 13 09:35:15 EST 1994 Article: 25195 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!beckyc From: beckyc@u.washington.edu (Becky Christie) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Is it time to prune roses? Date: 11 Jan 1994 06:48:39 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 3 Sender: Becky C, Seattle Message-ID: <2gti47$akq@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Keywords: roses, pruning Hello NorthWest gardeners! Is it time to prune my roses yet? The weather is so mild lately and the bushes are sprouting new shoots.... From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!NewsWatcher!user Thu Jan 13 09:35:16 EST 1994 Article: 25196 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!NewsWatcher!user From: epur01@email.mot.com (Don Burns) Subject: Re: Growing Palms Organization: MOTOROLA Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 04:43:33 GMT Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.gardens References: <2gsndi$plt@mailer.fsu.edu> Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News) Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.2.38.44 Lines: 18 In article <2gsndi$plt@mailer.fsu.edu>, lholmes@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Leonard Holmes) wrote: > I grow hardy palm trees in Williamsburg, VA (zone 7B/8A). Does anyone > know of Internet resources on palms? I haven't really found > anything. There are several species that do ok here, and one (Needle > palm) is even hardy to Washington DC. > > Leonard Holmes Check out the Pindo palm, AKA Jelly palm, Butia capitata. I have one here and have seen them all over the northern peninsula up as far as South Carolina. If you hear of a net resource for palms, please let us all know about it. -- Don Burns Plantation, Florida epur01@email.mot.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!wetware!indetech!daver!dlb!megatest!sfisher Thu Jan 13 09:35:17 EST 1994 Article: 25197 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!wetware!indetech!daver!dlb!megatest!sfisher From: sfisher@megatest.com (Scott Fisher) Subject: Acer Palmatum Question Message-ID: Organization: Megatest Corporation Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 23:36:19 GMT Lines: 17 I've got a 4*6 mostly shaded plant box that's part of the front porch that I finally got around to, digging out ugly overgrown thorny asparagus ferns and junk. I'm thinking of doing a "cute" planting (partly to amuse the kids) that could be best described as part rock garden, part Storybookland ride (a la Disneyland). I want something for the corner that would get about 2-3 feet tall. My husband has always been very fond of Japanese Maples, and I think this might work. A friend of mine has some 12-18" tall volunteers that I could dig out, Scott would really love sort of a mini-grove effect with these. I think it might be lovely, but how fast do these trees grow? I would hate to think of removing them in a year if they started getting too big. Any tips for keeping these puppies small? Is the grove idea too ambitioius? I was thinking Heavenly Bamboo might work if the maples won't. --Kim Fisher From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:35:19 EST 1994 Article: 25198 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber for Raised beds Message-ID: <100565@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 01:12:37 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <1994Jan11.033511.15367@cs.yale.edu> Lines: 9 I have tried raised beds using 3 types of material: redwood, brick, and concrete block. For us, the redwood was the cheapest (because we used leftover board from when the house was built 12' x 9" x 3/4"). It is doing beautifully. The one I built with brick, is not doing as well, because the bed is only raised 2-3", and doesn't have sufficient drainage, or room for compost. The one i built with concrete block is also doing nicely. I used 18" x 4" hollow blocks, and used the hollows for herbs. It was relatively inexpensive to construct (about $25 for a 5' x 20" bed). I'd recommend this as an alternative if you don't have a cheap source of hardwood in your area. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!sgi!cdp!libby Thu Jan 13 09:35:19 EST 1994 Article: 25199 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!sgi!cdp!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: rec.gardens Date: 09 Jan 94 08:43 PST Subject: Re: Apple Trees from Stark Bros. Message-ID: <1453300430@cdp> References: <1994Jan06.193929.15896@news.ment> Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 15 We've had very good luck with Stark trees over the years (actually since 1978). They sent me some Collonade trees last year, and we've planted them in our com community garden. They were still alive before the great East Coast ice storm on Friday. That's all I can tell you at the moment. I have no idea what root stock Stark is using, but columnar trees are usually sports of non-columnar cultivars, and will grow that way no matter what root stock they're on. The root stock usualy controls the growth rate of the tree. If you really want more info on the trees, call Stark's customer service number. they are usually very helpful. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!sgi!cdp!libby Thu Jan 13 09:35:20 EST 1994 Article: 25200 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!sgi!cdp!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: rec.gardens Date: 09 Jan 94 08:36 PST Subject: Re: Aquarium water = grey water? Message-ID: <1453300429@cdp> References: <2glk91INNmn9@medicine.wustl.edu> Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 8 We always used the water from our fishfarm biofilter on our veggie plots in the days the days when we actually had community fish farms here in Phila. The plants did quite well, but didn't become jolly green giants or anything else amazing. The N helped them grow as did the water, particularly in dry weather. Fish water is nice, but don't expect anything outrageous. Libby From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!zib-berlin.de!netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!utciva.civ.utwente.nl!infnews.cs.utwente.nl!usenet Thu Jan 13 09:35:21 EST 1994 Article: 25201 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!zib-berlin.de!netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!utciva.civ.utwente.nl!infnews.cs.utwente.nl!usenet From: Eric van Heyningen Subject: design program Message-ID: Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: utip035.cs.utwente.nl Organization: Twente University, Dept. of Computer Science X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 10:52:02 GMT Lines: 13 I have about 4000 m2 grass-land arround my house which I want to change into a garden. So first I am looking for a garden design program on my PC. Does anyone know if there exist such a program ? E-mail to ehvhey@cs.utwente.nl Eric van Heyningen University of Twente Dept. of Computer Science the Netherlands From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!zaphod Thu Jan 13 09:35:22 EST 1994 Article: 25202 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!zaphod From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) Subject: Re: design program Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 12:01:29 GMT Message-ID: <1994Jan11.120129.23085@julian.uwo.ca> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: cupoftea.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 25 on Tue, 11 Jan 1994 10:52:02 GMT EricvanHeyningen wrote in rec.gardens: > I have about 4000 m2 grass-land arround my house which I want > to change into a garden. So first I am looking for a garden design program > on my PC. > Does anyone know if there exist such a program ? hmmm, i happen to carry about an organic gardening for just such an emergency... Sprout! by Abracadata (the source of plan-making software) P.O. 2440 Eugene OR 97402 +1 503 342 3030 i have no affiliation or knowledge of the product, i use paper and pencil... -- Lance R. Bailey System/Network Manager Robarts Research Institute NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca box: Clinical Trials Resources Group fax: +1 519 663 3789 P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr. vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108 London, Canada N6A 5K8 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!lsl!clarke Thu Jan 13 09:35:23 EST 1994 Article: 25203 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!lsl!clarke From: clarke@lsl.co.uk Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Cycadae (Zamia and Encephalartos) Message-ID: <1994Jan11.110414.4083@lsl.co.uk> Date: 11 Jan 94 11:04:13 +0100 References: <2gr2ta$gq3@news.u.washington.edu> Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge Lines: 23 In article <2gr2ta$gq3@news.u.washington.edu>, robi@u.washington.edu (robi) writes: > Does anybody ever talk about Zamia and Encephalartos ? > They are beautiful plants, aren't they ? Thought I'd talk about them. I have about 6 plants, all grown from seed in the last 2-3 years. They include Macrozamia, Lepidozamia, Encephalartos, and Cycas. The seeds were from Chiltern Seeds in the UK, and were not cheap - maybe 1 pound sterling ($2) EACH - though I expect that there are cheaper sources. I suppose about 50 percent of the seeds I have bought germinated in a few months. They have only grown one or two leaves each year, so I am up to 5 leaves on my largest plant now. I think that I was becoming over confident about their cultural requirements, thinking that any conditions would do, when last year, rot set into the crown of one of the Macrozamia. Maybe it was too wet, or set too low in the ground. Although the rootstock remains, I wouldn't be surprised if this proves fatal as it looks as though the growing point has been lost. My most recent germination was a Cycas 'Mount Surprise' - that's what the catalogue said. It germinated last year, but so far is only root. I decided to repot it a few days ago and was surprised to see that the thick root was coiling round the bottom of the 5 inch (12cm) pot. It amazed me that so much root growth could be produced with no leaves. Anyway, I potted it a bit higher, fearful of the rot, and hope that the first leaf will appear this summer. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!postoffice.manassas.ibm.com!dave Thu Jan 13 09:35:24 EST 1994 Article: 25204 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!postoffice.manassas.ibm.com!dave From: dave@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Irby) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Date: 11 Jan 1994 12:48:47 GMT Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company ooops make that Loral Lines: 30 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gu77f$qbh@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com> References: <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> Reply-To: irby@vnet.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc1.manassas.ibm.com Keywords: SEED SAVERS In article <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, lalitha@uts.amdahl.com (Lalitha Krishnamurthy) writes: |> I tried to contact |> |> SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE |> 3076 N. WINN RD. |> DECORAH, IOWA 52101. |> |> by sending them a $1 for catalogue etc. for more info |> However they have not responded to me yet. It has been a month |> |> I tried to reach Decorah thro directory assistance , However |> the operator mentioned that there was no Seed savers Exchange in Decorah |> Iowa . The address I used was: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Rural Route 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 I also called directory assistance for a phone number and got (319) 382-5990 which worked fine. For $1 you get a brochure that describes their operation and includes a form for joining (it also had an order form for their publications). Actual membership is $20 / year - I just joined in the fall and haven't received a seed listing yet, but I did order all their publications and am very happy so far. -- David | IBM IP: dave@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com | IBM RSCS: BASSMSTR at BULLRUN Irby | internet: irby@vnet.ibm.com | Ideas/Opinions are my own. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!att-out!cbfsb!cbict3.cb.att.com!mcswain Thu Jan 13 09:35:24 EST 1994 Article: 25205 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!att-out!cbfsb!cbict3.cb.att.com!mcswain From: mcswain@cbict3.cb.att.com (Dale McSwain) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Swiss Chard/Kale Message-ID: Date: 11 Jan 94 13:19:16 GMT References: Sender: mcswain@cbict3.att.com (Dale McSwain) Reply-To: dm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Columbus Lines: 19 Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com Nntp-Posting-Host: cbict3.cb.att.com X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-6 Dave, We haven't tried Chard but we do like Kale. If you like mustard greens you will like kale. After a frost it is very mild and not as bitter as mustard greens. Try boiling it for 10-15 minutes. I believe kale is very high in Vitamins a, c and in calcium also. Yep brussel sprouts show up under the leaves along the stem after a while. Just be patient. Broccoli will develop side shoots after the main cutting so don't chop 'em down yet. The Kale will last through your hot summer but I'm not sure about the chard. Dale dm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!hawnews.watson.ibm.com!vnet.ibm.com!chrisw Thu Jan 13 09:35:25 EST 1994 Article: 25206 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!hawnews.watson.ibm.com!vnet.ibm.com!chrisw From: chrisw@iago.endicott.ibm.com (Christopher Wyse) Subject: Re: design program Sender: news@hawnews.watson.ibm.com (NNTP News Poster) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 14:11:51 GMT Lines: 10 Reply-To: cwyse@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: iago.endicott.ibm.com Organization: IBM Owego I saw a program by Voudette software in the PC Connection catalog. It used full color photographs to design the garden. You can see what the garden looks like during any month of the year. If anyone has used this program, please post a summary of its performance. -- Chris Wyse cwyse@vnet.ibm.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!think.com!mac-jimmy-55.dfci.harvard.edu!george_pearson.co Thu Jan 13 09:35:26 EST 1994 Article: 25207 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!think.com!mac-jimmy-55.dfci.harvard.edu!george_pearson.co From: George T. Pearson Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Aphids Date: 11 Jan 1994 14:53:48 GMT Organization: DFCI Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2guehsINN486@early-bird.think.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-jimmy-55.dfci.harvard.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.2 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 11 Jan 94 09:53:46 GMT I seem to have aphids on a couple of hibiscus plants that I brought indoors for the winter. Any suggestions for the best way to clean these plants up? Thanks! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!news Thu Jan 13 09:35:27 EST 1994 Article: 25208 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!news From: shari@spring.sas.upenn.edu (Shari Lazarus) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Birch trees Message-ID: <2guja8$j0p@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 11 Jan 94 16:15:04 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: spring.sas.upenn.edu Hi, Due to intense ice buildup on my birch trees, they have completely bent over and are now forming an upside-down U with the top branches touching the ground. Do you have any idea if they will survive this or if they can bounce back after the ice eventually melts off. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks. Shari Lazarus shari@spring.sas.upenn.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!pipex!uknet!newcastle.ac.uk!eata!npf Thu Jan 13 09:35:28 EST 1994 Article: 25209 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!pipex!uknet!newcastle.ac.uk!eata!npf From: Paul.Fletcher@newcastle.ac.uk (Paul Fletcher) Subject: Re: Swiss Chard/Kale Nntp-Posting-Host: eata Message-ID: Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 15:59:06 GMT References: Lines: 29 In article zack@oneway.austin.ibm.com writes: >Hi All, > >Does anyone have any good ways to prepare Swiss Chard or Kale? > Swiss chard (aka Italian Leaf Beet) is wonderful stuff, I don't know why everyone doesn't grow it. Why bother with spinach. The wide white stems need more cooking than the green parts of the leaves, so separate them. The simplest (my mouth is watering as I type) way to cook them is just to fry in olive oil; chop up the stems and fry them for about 5 mins, then add the greens, keep going till tender and enjoy! Very tasty in stir-fries -- just replace whatever goes into your fave recipe. I've also made a soup, which is recommended, just do it the way you do any other soup (bit of garlic, onion, a potato, maybe a carrot and lots of swiss chard (stems then leaves), fry in that order then add stock, season, simmer, liquidise if you like it that way...). Any spinach recipe will be improved by leaving out the spinach. No, I do like spinach, I just like swiss chard more. Much lower in oxalic acid too. A few plants seem to be surviving the winter, so I'm leaving them for a bit longer and hoping they'll start producing again very soon! Paul From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!postoffice.manassas.ibm.com!dave Thu Jan 13 09:35:29 EST 1994 Article: 25210 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!postoffice.manassas.ibm.com!dave From: dave@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Irby) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Artichokes in zone 7 Date: 11 Jan 1994 16:36:15 GMT Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gukhv$qbh@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com> Reply-To: irby@vnet.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc1.manassas.ibm.com I would like to know if anyone has successfully overwintered artichokes in zone 7? I will be growing near Fredericksburg, VA and was wondering what sort of protection they would need to survive the winter. My understanding is that I will get two crops per year if I overwinter the plants and only one if I start from seed each year. I would also like to know how susceptible they are to pests since I don't use any pesticides and prefer not to grow things that are extremely susceptible. I appreciate any advice you can offer. -- David | IBM IP: dave@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com | IBM RSCS: BASSMSTR at BULLRUN Irby | internet: irby@vnet.ibm.com | Ideas/Opinions are my own. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!uxa.ecn.bgu.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:35:30 EST 1994 Article: 25211 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!uxa.ecn.bgu.edu!not-for-mail From: ulsander@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Laura Sanders) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Swiss Chard/Kale Date: 11 Jan 1994 11:17:50 -0600 Organization: Educational Computing Network, Illinois USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <2gumvu$fdt@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu In article , Paul Fletcher wrote: >In article zack@oneway.austin.ibm.com writes: >>Hi All, >> >>Does anyone have any good ways to prepare Swiss Chard or Kale? >> Yum yum! My two favorite greens! My gardening motto is: Never Enough Chard. Harvest your chard by cutting off the outer leaves; the rest will keep going. Our plants (zone 5, Chicago) last from early spring to late fall this way. Chard is tender and doesn't need much cooking. I usually steam it for a few minutes. Wow, what a flavor! It's great in a stir fry. I also use it liberally in anything that can stand a touch of green, even things like scrambled eggs or macaroni and cheese. If your chard is still small, you can sample this treat: pluck the young, tender leaves, and put them on a sandwich or in a salad. They need no cooking. Mm-mm. By the way, store-bought chard never seems to me to have the same big flavor as the real thing, just out of my garden. My favorite way to cook kale is by braising it with garlic and onions. Heat some olive oil in a big frying pan, saute minced garlic in it for a minute or two, drop in some chopped onions and cook for another minute or two. Then add the kale. To prepare the kale (do this 1st), wash it well and remove and toss out the tough center rib. Chop the leaves coarsely. Plop it all in the big pan, and cover it. No need to add more oil or water; the water on the leaves will be enough moisture. Cook just until tender for maximum flavor. I can't get enough of this stuff! Enjoy! --Laura From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!moe.coe.uga.edu!joanm Thu Jan 13 09:35:33 EST 1994 Article: 25212 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!moe.coe.uga.edu!joanm From: joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu (Joan Maxfield UCNS) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: bare root roses, when to plant? Date: 11 Jan 1994 16:00:45 GMT Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2guifd$atu@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.coe.uga.edu I just bought 2 more bare root roses. I got one as a shower gift for a friend, it was a 'black and white' shower so I got her a JFK rose bush, white flowers. Can I plant these now? I am in Zone 7? Northeast Ga. We have had several freezing nights but lately my yard is more wet than frozen. We should be getting the brunt of the winters cold in the next few weeks. Should I just leave the plants, in their plastic bags, in a cool place in the house and make sure they stay damp, or should I go ahead and try to plant them when the grounds not frozen? Thanks, Joan -- Joan C. Maxfield * "Je Crois que je vais cracher une joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu * boule de poils" -Henri de la Barbe maxfield@phoenix.cs.uga.edu * From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Thu Jan 13 09:35:35 EST 1994 Article: 25213 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Apple Trees from Stark Bros. Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 17:48:41 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <1994Jan06.193929.15896@news.mentorg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu Keywords: apples, fruit trees, vendor, grower, nursery In article <1994Jan06.193929.15896@news.mentorg.com> rreid@rreid.mentorg.com (Richard Reid) writes: >From: rreid@rreid.mentorg.com (Richard Reid) >Subject: Apple Trees from Stark Bros. >Date: Thu, 06 Jan 1994 19:39:29 GMT >Keywords: apples, fruit trees, vendor, grower, nursery >I recently got a catalog from Stark Bros Inc. The cover featured >a couple of apple trees called colonade. Claimed that they >grow eight feet tall and two feet wide. They also produce a full >crop of full size (?) apples. >I was wondering if anybody has experience growing apples in such >a manner. I've seen pictures of three foot trees in pots with >apples. >What varieties work best? What root stock does it grow on? >What is its life expectancy? >Any comments would prove helpful >Also, can anyone comment on Stark Bros. Quality? Service? Price Comparisons? >I tend to buy locally (or try to). >Thanks >rick >-- >Rick Reid >rreid@wv.mentorg.com -- Mentor Graphics Corporation >"He looked so aloof out there and ran the bases in the >wrong direction" refering to Carl Egger (1985-1993) Stark is one of the biggies, so no worries. I saw a review of this particular tree - the quality of the apples is supposedly 'average'. It's nice to see more patio and container-sized plants coming out. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!seven-up.East.Sun.COM!dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM!southpaw!jriggs Thu Jan 13 09:35:37 EST 1994 Article: 25214 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!seven-up.East.Sun.COM!dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM!southpaw!jriggs From: jriggs@southpaw.East.Sun.COM (Justin Riggs - PC Networking/Engineering) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Date: 11 Jan 1994 17:50:24 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC Lines: 26 Sender: jriggs@southpaw (Justin Riggs - PC Networking/Engineering) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2guot0$pur@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> References: <2gsdh5$ifq@utne.zk3.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: southpaw.east.sun.com -- In article <2gsdh5$ifq@utne.zk3.dec.com>, duane@magma.zk3.dec.com (Andrew Duane USG/PE) writes: > In article jeff.west@atlantaga.ncr.com (Jeff West) writes: > > After about two months, I saw that out of 150 specimens, about 4 still > lived. I think they have died this winter. Next spring, I intend to give > hell to their customer service, after I verify the extent of the die-out. > I can certainly understand why you're not happy with them. I do, however, recommend that you call Gurney's (how do you spell it?) and tell them what happened. A few years we ordered a bunch of elderberry bushes (makes the best jelly in the world) from them. We ordered 2 different varieties, because they have to cross pollenate. Well, some of the bushes died, but I couldn't remember which kinds they were. My wife called them and explained what had happened. They gladly replaced my ENTIRE order, with absolutely no hassles. Joe Riggs Sun Microsystems, Inc. Phone: 508-442-0461 EMail: jriggs@East.Sun.COM From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Thu Jan 13 09:35:38 EST 1994 Article: 25215 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Adding organic matter to established lawns Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 18:01:48 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1994Jan7.050009.23892@news.etc.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu . I still don't >understand why more organic material is recommended for clay >when clay is heavily composed of organic material, or am I >wrong? Any answers would be appreciated. Clay consists of very fine particles. These particles are minerals of various kinds (depending on where you live). Because of the very small size of the particles, a given volume of clay will have a much larger surface area than the same volume of sand. It can hold much more water and more nutrients. A soil high in clay can also be almost impossible to cultivate because of its poor drainage and tendency to compact. Some clays swell (you can keep adding water and never seem to be able to get a smooth paste) and some don't (you quickly get a smooth paste which thins out as you add more water). Clay found in the southern US tends not to swell although there are exceptions. Adding organic matter helps loosen heavy clay soils, improves aeration, makes it a better habitat for soil microorganism. You almost can't go wrong adding compost to any soil. Make sure any organic matter you add is thoroughly decomposed - you should not be able to identify any of its original components and it should be that lovely dark brown or black color. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!eng.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!draco.nova.edu!polaris.nova.edu!dinkelk Thu Jan 13 09:35:39 EST 1994 Article: 25216 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!eng.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!draco.nova.edu!polaris.nova.edu!dinkelk From: dinkelk@polaris.nova.edu (Kim Dinkel) Subject: Gardening Projects at Universities Message-ID: Sender: news@draco.nova.edu (Usenet Administrator) Organization: Nova University, FL Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 17:45:25 GMT Lines: 28 I'm posting this message on behalf of the science faculty at Nova Southeastern University. If there are any colleges or universities (that do not have agricultural schools) that have gardening projects that their students maintain, would you please respond to my email account and let me know. If you could tell me the name of the school and details of the project, it would be greatly appreciated. I am not a regular reader of this newsgroup, so if I have posted this to an inappropriate place, I apologize. Let me know if there is a better newsgroup for this posting. Thank you for any help you can offer. Kim Dinkel ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* * Kim Dinkel dinkelk@polaris.nova.edu * * Nova Southeastern University * * It's kind of fun to do the impossible --Walt Disney * ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* -- ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* * Kim Dinkel dinkelk@polaris.nova.edu * From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!br105 Thu Jan 13 09:35:41 EST 1994 Article: 25217 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!br105 From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: bare root roses, when to plant? Date: 11 Jan 1994 18:18:45 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <2guqi5$cs5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <2guifd$atu@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) NNTP-Posting-Host: nextsun.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu (Joan Maxfield UCNS) says: > > Can I plant these now? I am in Zone 7? Yes, plant them ASAP. I doubt if your soil will freeze in GA. Here in WV we've had 24 inches of snow and temps around zero F, but the ground is still not frozen under the snow. You should have no worries at all. Is hookworm a problem among the children in your area? If so, your soil doesn't freeze. J. Del Col -- Jeff Del Col * "If you listen to music by Beethoven a lot, A-B College * you will never become stupid--unless you already Philippi, WV * are, in which case there's still no harm in it." * -----Uncle Borgel---(AKA Pinkwater) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews Thu Jan 13 09:35:42 EST 1994 Article: 25218 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews From: rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer) Subject: Re: Fruit trees in zone 5 Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 18:22:42 GMT Distribution: na References: <1994Jan6.232333.27877@infonode.ingr.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: jurassic.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 10 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25218 misc.rural:7422 In article <1994Jan6.232333.27877@infonode.ingr.com> debradfo@ingr.com writes: > Rabbiteye blueberries are on my MUST PLANT list >for anyone. No pests, no pruning, great fruit, and beautiful fall color! Sounds great! Naive questions time: is "rabbiteye" a variety, or a colloquialism for "highbush" (or etc), or... ? -- "I feel lightheaded, Sam. I think my brain | Steve rehrauer@apollo.hp.com is out of air. But it's kind of a neat | /HP/org/chart/says/you/are/here feeling..." --Freelance Police | Massachusetts Language Lab From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU!kaw6m Thu Jan 13 09:35:43 EST 1994 Article: 25219 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU!kaw6m From: kaw6m@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Karen Ann Woodfork) Subject: Re: Swiss Chard/Kale Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 18:14:14 GMT Lines: 26 "The recipe that got my greens-hating husband to like greens" Saute 1 chopped up onion in 1-2 Tbsp oil or butter. When onion is partially cooked, add 3 Tbsp flour (I use whole wheat) and mix with onions/oil. Add minced garlic if desired, and cook about 3 to 5 minutes. Add 1 cup buttermilk, mix until flour/oil lumps disappear and saice begins to bubble. Now throw in handfuls of chopped up chard (stems 1st, if you like them, then greens) - keep throwing in chard until the skillet is full, then let it cook down (keep stirring!) and add more chard... continue adding chard until it looks like you have an appealing chard to sauce ratio.... (probably about a standard colander-full of chard). Then add about 1 cup corn kernels (fresh,frozen, or canned) and cook til heated through. Salt & pepper to taste, & eat! The sweetness of the corn compliments the bitterness of the greens, and, well, I like it. As far as chard surviving the Texas summer - it survived a summer in West Virginia last year - (temp. in the 90s) - just keep watering it - it doesn't like to be too dry. Hope you enjoy your chard! -Karen From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!frodo!mark Thu Jan 13 09:35:45 EST 1994 Article: 25220 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!frodo!mark From: mark@frodo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Elliott - SunConnect SE - L.A.) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: News from the Psyllid Warfront Date: 11 Jan 1994 18:20:58 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2guqma$5pu@newscast.West.Sun.COM> Reply-To: mark@frodo.West.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: frodo.west.sun.com This is to all that have been battling psyllid infestations on Eugenia (Syzygium paniculatum). In the latest edition of the Southern California Gardener there is an article describing the biological control that has been, quoting "successfully introduced that promises long-term, chemical-free relief". The control is a tiny, parasitic wasp, Tamarixia sp., native to Australia (where the psyllid originated from I believe). Dr. Don Dahlston an entymologist with UC Berkeley first released the Tamarixia at Disneyland (extensive Eugenia topiaries and hedges there). Individual wasps were later found in El Toro (further south in Orange County) and on Eugenias in local nurseries. According to the article, the adult psyllids are now rare in Orange County and evidence exists that the wasp has arrived in Riverside and Santa Barbara Counties. It is predicted the wasp will establish itself throughout Southern California. I don't know if other regions of the country have problems with psyllids, but with the Mediterranean-like climate here very similar to many parts of Australia, the psyllids have attacked Eugenias and pepper trees with a vengence around here. And for someone like myself, who has about 120 linear feet of Eugenia hedge on my property, this is good news, indeed. Maybe this moves this Urban Legend to an Suburban Truth? ;^) Hope this helps, Mark From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!wndrsvr!johnm Thu Jan 13 09:35:46 EST 1994 Article: 25221 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!wndrsvr!johnm From: johnm@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (johnm) Subject: Re: LOW LOW pressure drip irrigation Message-ID: Sender: johnm@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (johnm) Organization: WNDRSVR - Public Access for Southern California +1-310-370-3069 References: <1994Jan10.112448.26643@walter.cray.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 16:45:29 GMT Lines: 22 gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe) writes: > low pressure. All of the drip systems I have seen in > stores and catalogs run from city water pressure of 10-50PSI. > I have a head of only three feet which is about 0.8 PSI. > Are there any drip systems that will run at such low > pressures? > The system I have requires 20-50 as an input pressure, but it contains some sort of regulator. The output is lower than 10 I would guess. What about bypassing the regutlator and using it direct. You could stick a valve in there to give you some flow regulation. John [*> Management may or may not agree with the above message. [*> WndrSvr in Southern California; Call +1-310-370-3069 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Marzolino Bad spellers of the world unight! 71242,1610 Compuserve "Plants are like people, but they Johnm@wndrsvr.la.ca.us listen better" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!news.bu.edu!butyng.bu.edu!bailey Thu Jan 13 09:35:47 EST 1994 Article: 25222 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!news.bu.edu!butyng.bu.edu!bailey From: bailey@butyng.bu.edu (Sherry Bailey) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Raspberries, blueberries, Nourse Nursery Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: 11 Jan 1994 18:54:24 GMT Organization: Boston University Corp Ed Center Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gusl0$q34@news.bu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: butyng.bu.edu Hi, everybody! I'm planning to plant some raspberries and blueberries in my yeard this spring. Maybe some blackberries or black raspberries. I'm off to a bad start, I guess -- I didn't prepare a bed yet (it's still lawn!) I just read that raspberries should be planted as early as possible, so guess what *I'll* be doing early early in the spring!? Looking for any tips, suggestions and other info. I plan to call the extension office to see what varieties might be best for my area. I got a catalog from Nourse Nursery today -- they are in Massachusetts (I'm in New Hampshire) so I'm hoping they will have stock suitable for my area. (Anybody done business with them?) For two people who LOVE fresh fruit, any idea of how many bushes of raspberries would be reasonable? (Minimal freezer space, so mostly for fresh eating.) How about blueberries? Do raspberries need similar acidic soil as blueberries do, or do they need to be kept apart and treated differently? I cleared out the wild blackberry vines I had that would threaten the domestic berries, so that's not an issue. How about sun requirements? Anybody out there who can tell me whether black raspberries are better than blackberries or not? (I am never sure which is which and I like all of them that I've tried, but I can't grow everything!) Any input on golden raspberries? (They LOOK interesting!) How should I prepare the beds? I'll be digging by hand (ok, I WILL use a shovel)so "tilling in" means doing it the hard way -- with my handy fork. What kind of soil conditions are best for these berries? The vines need trellissing or some kind of wire supports, I know -- I assume the blueberry bushes don't? There are a few feet of snow outside my windows right now -- but I can almost taste sun-warmed berries! Help me perpetuate the fantasy! Thenks! Sherry From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!kinsel Thu Jan 13 09:35:49 EST 1994 Article: 25223 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!kinsel From: kinsel@sde.hp.com (Linda Kinsel) Subject: Re: Gurney's Mail Order - Quality? Sender: news@fc.hp.com (news daemon) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 19:18:45 GMT Reply-To: kinsel@sde.hp.com References: Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcsup.sde.hp.com Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0.11] Lines: 10 : I also have was pleased with Gurney's custormer service. : Does anyone know if Gurneys and Fields are related in some : way? Their catalogs are very similar. One bought the other a few years back. So technically, they're the same company, although the last time I checked, they still had separate catalogs and different phone numbers. Their customer service policies are also very similar... Linda From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!crchh327.bnr.ca!blakeman Thu Jan 13 09:35:51 EST 1994 Article: 25224 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!crchh327.bnr.ca!blakeman From: blakeman@bnr.ca (Jim Blakeman) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: A FEW BEGINNER'S QUESTIONS Date: 11 Jan 1994 13:24:00 -0600 Organization: Bell Northern Research, Richardson, TX Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2guucg$8u4@crchh7af.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: crchh7af.bnr.ca Hello everyone, I am new to this group, so feel free to point me to a FAQ if I've missed it. I live in Dallas, TX (I'm sure this matters more in this news group than in others!) Question #1 I just bought a new home & I'd like to get started in gardening or with flowers. Any suggestions...books to read or good projects to start with? Question #2 I have to put in my own back lawn...any suggestions? Should I seed it or lay sod? Thanks. James BLAKEMAN@BNR.CA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!ringrose Thu Jan 13 09:35:52 EST 1994 Article: 25225 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!ringrose From: ringrose@iastate.edu (Sharon L Ringrose) Subject: Re: pollinating flowering maple? Message-ID: Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA References: Distribution: na Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 19:29:18 GMT Lines: 20 In article gurka@tigger.cs.colorado.edu (Judy Gurka) writes: >Well, my indoor success this winter is getting my flowering maple to >actually flower. Now I'm wondering how easy (or not) it is to Congratulations! How did you manage this? Mine just sits around and looks scraggly. It hasn't flowered since I bought it last spring. :( And I keep trying to prune it back but with only partial success - it still looks scraggly. Any suggestions? It's in the bathrooom (I take baths 4-5 times a week which would raise the humidity and make it happier - the shower doesn't affect it since it's in the basement :)). It hangs in front of a east window. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Sharon Ringrose -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncr-sd!mattc Thu Jan 13 09:35:54 EST 1994 Article: 25226 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncr-sd!mattc From: mattc@ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Matthew Costello) Subject: FAQs archived where? Message-ID: <1994Jan11.185259.17507@ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 18:52:59 GMT Lines: 15 I am trying to find the FAQs for rec.gardens but they are not present at rtfm.mit.edu. I know there are several Frequently Asked Question lists (FAQs) that are posted to this newsgroup on a semi-regular basis, so I was suprised they are not present at the official FAQ archiving site. Where can I get ahold of the FAQs for this newsgroup, especially the one containing the list of seed companies? And FAQ maintainers, please send your FAQs to the moderator of rec.answers so that they may be cross-posted to rec.answers so they will be picked up by the FAQ archives. -- Matthew Costello +1 619 485 2926 uunet!ncrcom!ncr-sd!mattc From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!uum1!gcbbgw!gcbb!jim.mcnelly Thu Jan 13 09:35:56 EST 1994 Article: 25227 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Pressure Treated Lumber f From: jim.mcnelly@gcbb.granite.mn.org (Jim Mcnelly) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!uum1!gcbbgw!gcbb!jim.mcnelly Distribution: world Message-ID: <36.3608.2552.0N41DB17@gcbb.granite.mn.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 11:50:00 +0600 Organization: Granite City Info Center 612-654-8372 hst 656-0678 v.32bis Lines: 36 Andy.Vonkaenel@His.Com to All - Sunday, January 9th: Discussing: Pressure Treated Lumber A>I'm planning the vegtable garden for the Spring and am considering building >raised beds. I can't remember, but some place I read that treated lumber >shouldn't be used, something in the chemicals they use can be picked up by th >plants. Is this true? Is there some other type of wood I can use without >problems? Thanks. Andy, there were several notes and threads on this subject within the past month if you have access to the group archive. Treated lumber is about 3000 ppm arsenic and around 1000 ppm lead. The EPA limits on arsenic in sludge and compost is 11 ppm. Lead levels over 250 are considered unsafe. Arsenic is a powerful biocide for which there is no safe disposal. The issue is not so much arsenic leaching, which occurs mostly through sawdust, shavings, nicks, and board ends, but the fact that there is no safe ultimate disposal for the wood, which will decompose in around 60 years. Cedar, particularly Northern White Cedar which is mostly selectively cut, is considered an appropriate alternative. Also look into rock, paving stones, and other mineral forms. I predict that treated lumber removal will be the "asbestos and lead paint" type of household clean-up problem of the 21st century. Jim McNelly~~~ Granite Cities BBS 612-654-8372-HST 656-0678 v.32bis jim.mcnelly@granite.mn.org --- * January 11th - Auntie Em: Hate you. Hate Kansas. Took the Dog. Dorothy. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.clark.edu!lclark!klotz Thu Jan 13 09:35:57 EST 1994 Article: 25228 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.clark.edu!lclark!klotz From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) Subject: Looking for Red Hardy Geraniums Message-ID: <1994Jan11.193204.5924@lclark.edu> Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 19:32:04 GMT Lines: 23 Greetings - For the poets' corner in my zone 8 garden, I want to recreate the theme of the A.A. Milne poem "The Dormouse and the Doctor" by planting "geraniums red and delphiniums blue" together. Being lazy about plants that require extra care for their dormant period (i.e., wintering them indoors), I'd rather use hardy geraniums (cranesbills, as opposed to pelargoniums). I happily bought the January issue of _Horticulture_, which has a great article on "Hardy Geraniums" by Jane Barker Wright, hoping to find the answer to my prayers. Alas, there are no red-blooming cranesbills profiled in her article. I've been scanning all the seed catalogs which are arriving daily, but haven't seen any there either. My questions: *are* there hardy red geraniums? Who has 'em? If not, can anyone recommend a particularly easy-care pelargonium? And perhaps also a good book on their care? I'm willing to experiment, and even try to push the zone window. Many thanks in advance, - Gretchen, dreaming of spring and free time to plan the vegetable garden -- *** Love whomever you want as much as you can! *** From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult Thu Jan 13 09:35:58 EST 1994 Article: 25229 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult From: jmcnult@orion.it.luc.edu (John A. Mcnulty) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Cycadae (Zamia and Encephalartos) Date: 11 Jan 1994 20:44:04 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2gv32k$nqh@apollo.it.luc.edu> References: <2gr2ta$gq3@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.it.luc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] robi (robi@u.washington.edu) wrote: : Does any body ever talk about Zamia and Encephalartos ? There were a pair of cycads (a male and a female) in front of the Biology Dept. at the University of Southern California. Supposedly they have motile sperm (as do ginkgos). Some part of the plant (the inner stem?) is edible and I am trying to remember the name for the starchy stuff...saw it on an antique cannister... "sago"? Patty, not John From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:35:59 EST 1994 Article: 25230 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail From: bcfbear@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU (Bruce M Carroll) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Advice on seed planting sought Date: 11 Jan 1994 14:48:03 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 7 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gv3a3$bi5@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> References: <2gcel0INNksq@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu I decided to start some plants from seed this fall in preparation for this spring. One of the ones I picked was Coreopsis. It has now been about 2-3 months since I planted them and they are still only 2 inches high, although they look healthy. Are they just dormant? I have kept them by the back window and taken them outside whenever the weather was warm enough. Will they grow like crazy when I finally transplant them? I have been using a very dilute fertilizer when I water them. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:36:00 EST 1994 Article: 25231 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail From: bcfbear@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU (Bruce M Carroll) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: WARNING!!! Michigan Bulb Company Date: 11 Jan 1994 14:50:38 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 4 Message-ID: <2gv3eu$boe@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> References: <16869.j-easl@maroon.tc.umn.edu> <2gptar$r5@mailer.fsu.edu> <1994Jan10.112650.26914@walter.cray.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu YES! Toss any Michigan Bulb Co stuff right in the trash. I tried some of their stuff and it cam half dead. I wrote them back and have never heard from them again. They never did finish my order. I ought to report them to the BBB. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!opus!jewett Thu Jan 13 09:36:01 EST 1994 Article: 25232 of rec.gardens From: jewett@opus.hpl.hp.com (Bob Jewett) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 19:32:04 GMT Subject: Re: Care of Cactus Message-ID: <39240004@opus.hpl.hp.com> Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!opus!jewett Newsgroups: rec.gardens References: <2gnta0$9tb@polaris.unm.edu> Lines: 21 [Also mailed.] > The cactus is a "Euphobia Grandicornis". It did not come with > instructions. I am particularly concerned about: > 1. The amount and frequency of watering. (Its in a pot) > 2. The intensity and duration of sunlight. > 3. The desirable range of ambient temperature. Technically, Euphorbia grandicornis (common name, "cow's horn"), is not a cactus, since it lacks the special structures in cacti where the spines come out. Water it when the soil is almost completely dry. If it's indoors, it probably wants as much light as you can arrange. Outside, I'd go for partial shade. In general, euphorbias want temperatures no lower than 50F, but this depends a lot on the species. Poinsettias are a species of euphorbia and they survive some frost. I think there is a cactus and succulent society in Albuquerque, you may want to go to a meeting to get ideas from local growers. Also, there are nurseries and such in your area including a couple in Belen. Bob From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys.dt.navy.mil!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:36:02 EST 1994 Article: 25233 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys.dt.navy.mil!not-for-mail From: obrien@oasys.dt.navy.mil (O'Brien) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Bat House Message-ID: <2gv4fnINNobm@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 11 Jan 94 21:08:07 GMT References: <1994Jan10.230908.25589@news.mentorg.com> Reply-To: obrien@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John O'Brien) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: oasys.dt.navy.mil I have a bat house, purchased in a desperate attempt to control mosquitos. The dimensions are not that important except for the bottom slot. It is 3/4 inch by 6. the top is closed and 6 by 6. The interior of the house is rough hewn wood. The effect is an inverted triangular prism. Hang it on the gable of your house. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys.dt.navy.mil!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:36:03 EST 1994 Article: 25234 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys.dt.navy.mil!not-for-mail From: obrien@oasys.dt.navy.mil (O'Brien) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Exotic Mushrooms Date: 11 Jan 1994 16:17:41 -0500 Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 19 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gv51lINNpok@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Reply-To: obrien@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John O'Brien) NNTP-Posting-Host: oasys.dt.navy.mil Sorry, This posting is about the non psychedleic species. From Southeastern PA (Philadelphia), zone5/6 I live is a mature stand of oak,hickory,beech trees. The yard has been neglected for some time and ther is a lot of fallen wood, primarily red and white oak. I have a Hen o' the woods mushroom in the backyard that got to be about twenty pounds before we realized it was edible. How do the morel/Shiitake/varieties fare in this part of the world. Are they perennial like the hen? I can't grow tomatoes so I damn well better be able to grow mushrooms. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult Thu Jan 13 09:36:04 EST 1994 Article: 25235 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult From: jmcnult@orion.it.luc.edu (John A. Mcnulty) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: design program Date: 11 Jan 1994 20:50:37 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 11 Message-ID: <2gv3et$nqh@apollo.it.luc.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.it.luc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'd like a program too. There was an article in the Chicago Tribune this week that mentioned "Sprout" if I recall, but it wasn't available for the Mac. My problem is I am trying to use only native Illinois plants, and I doubt if any program will tell me how tall Big Bluestem gets or what it looks like through the seasons. These programs may not be very useful in the Netherlands, I suspect. Patty, not John From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!dis.demon.co.uk!wordshop.demon.co.uk!cooper Thu Jan 13 09:36:05 EST 1994 Article: 25236 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens From: cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk (Gary Cooper) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!dis.demon.co.uk!wordshop.demon.co.uk!cooper Subject: Re: Which Compost is Best? References: <1994Jan10.162344.1@vax.sonoma.edu> Organization: wordshop Reply-To: cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 20:32:26 +0000 Message-ID: <758320346snz@wordshop.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1994Jan10.162344.1@vax.sonoma.edu> butler@vax.sonoma.edu writes: > Which type of compost is best? I can get composted cow manure > practically free, but mushroom compost is about $15/cu. yard and I have > to travel further to get it. Is the mushroom compost any better? Writing from England I obviously can't make any comment about your soil, but be careful with spent mushroom compost. Generally speaking it contains high levels of calcium which may (depending on your soil and what you're trying to grow) *not* be what you want to add. Also, if you are an organic gardener, bear in mind that many/most commercial mushroom growers use insecticides which will mean that the spent compost will carry residues. To give you an idea of the nutrient content, the figures quoted in the U.K. are as follows (I'd be surprised if they were substantially different in the U.S.A.) Animal manure- 0.6:0.1:0.5 - spent mushroom compost- 0.7:0.3:0.3. NPK. These figures are *very* open to debate though as sources vary so much. Hope that helps a bit, -- Gary Cooper From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ukma!eng.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet.scri.fsu.edu!hoang Thu Jan 13 09:36:06 EST 1994 Article: 25237 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ukma!eng.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet.scri.fsu.edu!hoang From: hoang@freenet.scri.fsu.edu (Lap Hoang) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Which Compost is Best? Date: 11 Jan 1994 21:35:26 GMT Organization: Tallahassee Free-Net Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2gv62v$c9e@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <1994Jan10.162344.1@vax.sonoma.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.scri.fsu.edu The best compost is the free compost that you already have. The soil in your area is so good already, don't waste your money and time getting mushroom compost, they are mostly horse manure with lots of straws. They are very good for gardening but since you already have free cow manure, I don't think you need to bother paying for them. Happy gardeninggg From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet.scri.fsu.edu!hoang Thu Jan 13 09:36:06 EST 1994 Article: 25238 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet.scri.fsu.edu!hoang From: hoang@freenet.scri.fsu.edu (Lap Hoang) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Drying Fruit and Vegetables Date: 11 Jan 1994 21:50:39 GMT Organization: Tallahassee Free-Net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2gv6vf$dn5@mailer.fsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.scri.fsu.edu I would appreciate your help in building a dehydrator to dry fruit and vegetables. I know that this is a gardening group but what do we do with surplus produce, after calling all friends that we have and deliver to them tomatoes, squash, hot peper...I bought a Harvest Made fruit dehydrator and it worked fine, except that with the volume of fruit and veggies we have, the machine has to run 24 hours a day. With all you out there experiencing in building green house, hot house, would you point me to the right direction on how to do this. Perhaps you could show me how to build a prototype bfore the actual one. Or is there any books or publications on this subject? Thanks and happy gardening. Lap Hoang, tallahassee, FloridaI have as th From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!jvnc.net!krell.sh.rohmhaas.com!rsndww Thu Jan 13 09:36:07 EST 1994 Article: 25239 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!jvnc.net!krell.sh.rohmhaas.com!rsndww From: Dave Whitman Subject: Re: Soil Blocker Message-ID: <1994Jan11.220835.19585@tigger.jvnc.net> X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Tue, 11 Jan 94 22:08:31 GMT Sender: news@tigger.jvnc.net (Zee News Genie) Nntp-Posting-Host: krell.sh.rohmhaas.com Organization: Rohm & Haas Co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.2 References: <2gq96p$oj7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:08:35 GMT Lines: 32 In article <2gq96p$oj7@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Janet Lupson, jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca writes: >I just got a set of soil blockers (little cubes and larger blocks) for >Xmas and wondered if anyone else has ever used these. I tried out the >cuber yesterday with some soiless seed starter mix and they came out OK. >I realize I'll have to be very careful with watering until root formation >but wondered if anyone has any other tips or success/failure stories. I used the soil block system for a couple years. My one tip is that my best blocks seemed to come from using a *very* wet starter mix, but squeezing out most of the water in the mold and adding extra mix to fill in after squeezing. This procedure gave nice strong blocks. If the mixture was too dry going into the mold, the blocks tended to be weak. After 2 years, I gave up on soil blocks because: 1. it was a *lot* more work than starting seeds in those little plastic "6-packs", then transplanting up to 4" pots. I start a lot of seeds, and I was fussing for *hours* making blocks. At first it satisfied my need to fuss over my precious seedlings, but after a while, it just seemed like a bother. 2. although the soil blocks produced nice seedlings, they didn't seem any healthier or larger than with the plastic 6-packs, making it hard to justify the extra work. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Whitman * "Reality is what refuses to go away internet: rsndww@rohmhaas.com * when I stop believing in it." US Mail: get real. * -P.K. Dick From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rutgers!att-out!att-in!cbnewse!louie Thu Jan 13 09:36:08 EST 1994 Article: 25240 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rutgers!att-out!att-in!cbnewse!louie From: louie@cbnewse.cb.att.com (louis.m.leciejewski) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Keywords: SEED SAVERS Message-ID: Date: 11 Jan 94 20:07:06 GMT References: <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <2gu77f$qbh@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com> Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Lines: 23 > > The address I used was: > > SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE > Rural Route 3, Box 239 > Decorah, Iowa 52101 > > I also called directory assistance for a phone number and got (319) 382-5990 >which worked fine. For $1 you get a brochure that describes their operation and >includes a form for joining (it also had an order form for their publications). >Actual membership is $20 / year - I just joined in the fall and haven't >received a seed listing yet, but I did order all their publications and am >very happy so far. > > I keep seeing $20 to join...did they raise their rates? I just paid $5 last Fall for a Spring 1994 Mailing List (?) -- =============================================================================== Lou Leciejewski, WB9DKY - AT&T Bell Laboratories - att!ihlpm!loul (708)979-3382 =============================================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!sbolton Thu Jan 13 09:36:08 EST 1994 Article: 25241 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!sbolton From: sbolton@u.washington.edu (Susan Bolton) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber f Date: 11 Jan 1994 23:00:58 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2gvb3a$q0k@news.u.washington.edu> References: <36.3608.2552.0N41DB17@gcbb.granite.mn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu So what does one do with pressure treated lumber? I am currently house hunting and one of the houses I recently looked at had a nice backyard full of raised beds. Unfortuneately, the raised beds were made of pressure treated wood. Is the soil all contaminated now? What could I do with the wood and soil if I removed it? sbolton@u.washington.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billmc Thu Jan 13 09:36:09 EST 1994 Article: 25242 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billmc From: billmc@microsoft.com (Bill McJohn) Subject: Re: green manure question Message-ID: Organization: Microsoft Corporation Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 20:29:50 GMT References: <1994Jan7.002437.689@nicmad.uucp> Lines: 18 In article Marty Zimmerman, cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes: >I'm thinking about planting green manure seeds in my summer beds this >spring and then tilling them under in late May/early June. Will this work, >or should green manure crops be planted in the fall? If it will work, what >would be good crops to plant (i.e. annual rye, clover, alfalfa, oats, all >of the above)? > Here in Seattle, I've planted fava beans in February and composted them in May. Favas will germinate in cold soil and are quite hardy. If the beds are reasonably small, you could put floating row-cover material (e.g. Reemay) over them for a bit of extra warmth to help germination. Bill McJohn From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hobbes!rogerv Thu Jan 13 09:36:10 EST 1994 Article: 25243 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hobbes!rogerv From: rogerv@sco.COM () Subject: Re: News from the Psyllid Warfront Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 02:13:03 GMT Message-ID: <1994Jan12.021303.22024@sco.com> References: <2guqma$5pu@newscast.West.Sun.COM> Sender: news@sco.com (News admin) Lines: 26 >This is to all that have been battling psyllid infestations on >Eugenia (Syzygium paniculatum). In the latest edition of the >Southern California Gardener there is an article describing the >biological control that has been, quoting "successfully introduced >that promises long-term, chemical-free relief". The control is >a tiny, parasitic wasp, Tamarixia sp., native to Australia (where >the psyllid originated from I believe). Dr. Don Dahlston an >entymologist with UC Berkeley first released the Tamarixia at >Disneyland (extensive Eugenia topiaries and hedges there). >Individual wasps were later found in El Toro (further south in >Orange County) and on Eugenias in local nurseries. This is great news, if true. In the area where I live (Santa Cruz), eugenia used to be a favorite hedge plant. I had about 25 of these at one time, the freeze that we had a few years ago killed off a bunch (frozen down to the ground). Because of psyllids, I don't know of any nursuries that even stock them any more...unless you continually spray them they look like heck. I would plant some if we got psyllid predators going here, since they are such a beautiful, fast-growing screening plant. The last I heard (several years ago) people were talking about finding predators, but were not ready to let them loose in this country yet. Hope to hear more about this soon. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u14371 Thu Jan 13 09:36:10 EST 1994 Article: 25244 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u14371 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 20:05:18 CST From: Message-ID: <94011.200518U14371@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Distribution: usa References: <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <2gu77f$qbh@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com> Lines: 33 In article <2gu77f$qbh@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com>, dave@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Irby) says: > >In article <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, lalitha@uts.amdahl.com >(Lalitha Krishnamurthy) writes: >|> I tried to contact >|> SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE >|> by sending them a $1 for catalogue etc. for more info >|> However they have not responded to me yet. It has been a month >|> >|> I tried to reach Decorah thro directory assistance , However >|> the operator mentioned that there was no Seed savers Exchange in Decorah > SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE > Rural Route 3, Box 239 > Decorah, Iowa 52101 > > I also called directory assistance for a phone number and got (319) 382-5990 >which worked fine. For $1 you get a brochure that describes their operation d >an >includes a form for joining (it also had an order form for their >publications). >Actual membership is $20 / year - I just joined in the fall and haven't >received a seed listing yet, but I did order all their publications and am >very happy so far. This is good information, though I thought it was $25/year, whatever. The problem might be that (to put it mildly) they're just a touch busy. The SSE listing catalog is put together by hand and I gather it takes a N lot of time (quite believable). I suspect that in the month or so that the listing is being put together other things are put on hold. I suspect you will be hearing from them eventually. (They don't seem to be the worlds most organized people, maybe just a little overwhelmed. I never got my listing form.) Hans Goeckner From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!gumby!wmichgw!157ochs Thu Jan 13 09:36:11 EST 1994 Article: 25245 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!gumby!wmichgw!157ochs From: 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Growing Palms Message-ID: <1994Jan11.211556.13883@gw.wmich.edu> Date: 11 Jan 94 21:15:56 EST References: <2gsndi$plt@mailer.fsu.edu> Followup-To: rec.gardens Distribution: usa Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 29 In article , epur01@email.mot.com (Don Burns) writes: > In article <2gsndi$plt@mailer.fsu.edu>, lholmes@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu > (Leonard Holmes) wrote: > >> I grow hardy palm trees in Williamsburg, VA (zone 7B/8A). Does anyone >> know of Internet resources on palms? I haven't really found >> anything. There are several species that do ok here, and one (Needle >> palm) is even hardy to Washington DC. >> >> Leonard Holmes > > Check out the Pindo palm, AKA Jelly palm, Butia capitata. I have one here > and have seen them all over the northern peninsula up as far as South > Carolina. > If you hear of a net resource for palms, please let us all know about it. > -- > Don Burns > Plantation, Florida > epur01@email.mot.com There used to be a Pindo Palms down the street from my aunt's house in Columbus, Ga, but the cold killed them several years ago. I have seen some kind of palmetto growing in a woods along I-475 in Macon(or I-675, whatever the road is named) I would assume that palms would be able to be grown farther north, if close to the coast, where temps don't get quite so cold. Jeff From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen Thu Jan 13 09:36:12 EST 1994 Article: 25246 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) Subject: Re: Which Compost is Best? Message-ID: <1994Jan12.021953.11301@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@casbs.Stanford.EDU (CASBS News Service) Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences References: <1994Jan10.162344.1@vax.sonoma.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 02:19:53 GMT Lines: 21 In article <1994Jan10.162344.1@vax.sonoma.edu> butler@vax.sonoma.edu writes: >Which type of compost is best? I can get composted cow manure >practically free, but mushroom compost is about $15/cu. yard and I have >to travel further to get it. Is the mushroom compost any better? >I have my own organic compost, but would like to get more to til into my soil. >I live in Napa Valley, have adobe soil, and will be planting basic garden >veggies such as tomatoes, corn, beans, peppers, squash, etc. Crops in past >years have been very good, especially tomatoes; however, I think I can do a >little better by improving the soil. Mr. Compost will probably reply more comprehensively, but I'll just say that I'd use the free manure. What you want is organic matter, regardless of its original source. Be sure it's well-rotted. I've heard that commercial steer manure contains salts, but I have had no problems with cow manure. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen Much, Editor |E-mail: kathleen@casbs.stanford.EDU CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |Phone: (415) 321-2052 Stanford, CA 94305 |Fax: (415) 321-1192 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!gumby!wmichgw!157ochs Thu Jan 13 09:36:13 EST 1994 Article: 25247 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!gumby!wmichgw!157ochs From: 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: evergreen plants for wet soil? Message-ID: <1994Jan11.212024.13884@gw.wmich.edu> Date: 11 Jan 94 21:20:24 EST References: Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 19 In article , ua024@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Diane Whitehead) writes: > > I am planting an area that is wet all year, as a nearby lake's water > drains through the property. > > All the plants that I have discovered that like these conditions die back > in the fall, so the area is pretty bleak to look at all winter. Yellow > and red stemmed dogwoods and willows do add some colour, but I'd like some > leaves too. Any ideas? (It is in zone 8, near the sea, and gets frost) > -- Try "Leatherleaf", a member of the Heath family. I don't know if this is a saltwater species, but it does quite well in boggy areas in Michigan. It keeps its leaves throughout the winter, although they turn slightly purple if the weather gets too cold. They flower around here in April. I don't know how you would obtain these plants, though. Jeff From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen Thu Jan 13 09:36:13 EST 1994 Article: 25248 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!casbs!kathleen From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) Subject: Re: Re: azaleas sunlight requirements Message-ID: <1994Jan12.023015.11442@casbs.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@casbs.Stanford.EDU (CASBS News Service) Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences References: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 02:30:15 GMT Lines: 25 In article harsh@austin.ibm.com (Harsh Sharma) writes: >One question that I always have about the amount of light is - What is >meant by "full sun", "partial sun" and "shade"? I do understand what >that means in English :-), but how may hours of Sun would satisfy each >one of the conditions? I would really be interested in knowing as >it pertains to Austin, since it does get hot here. Does that mean >a full sun in say, zone 4, is not the same as full sun in Zone 8? Your best bet is to find a garden book specific to Austin. Yes, full sun in zone 4 is not the same as in zone 8. You are going to have to be careful about plants recommended for cooler climates. Austin's sun will fry some of them, although they may do OK in partial shade. Check local nurseries, too, to see what can survive your conditions. Veggies, particularly, may appreciate some shade in early afternoon, even though they normally prefer sun ALL DAY LONG -- 6am-9pm if they can get it. "Partial sun" is rather vague; it can mean direct sunshine for part of the day or filtered sunshine (through tall trees) for the whole day. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen Much, Editor |E-mail: kathleen@casbs.stanford.EDU CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |Phone: (415) 321-2052 Stanford, CA 94305 |Fax: (415) 321-1192 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:36:14 EST 1994 Article: 25249 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: <100641@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 18:24:17 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Lines: 7 Here is the info for Nichols (sorry about the previos omission) phone: (503) 928-9280, Fax: (908) 967-8406 address: 1190 North Pacific highway, Albany, Oregon 97321-4598 i just looked through this year's catalog, and they do carry valerian seed. you might want to call and inquire about the availability of plants since they ship those as well. Aloha From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:36:15 EST 1994 Article: 25250 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Message-ID: <100644@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 18:34:42 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> Lines: 4 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64711 rec.food.veg:33725 rec.gardens:25250 I'm up for an herb group (chocolate too!!!) if anyone starts them. I tried the mail group at trearn.bitnet, but found that there was too much traffic, and not enogh of what I'm interested in to maintain a subscription. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!ringrose Thu Jan 13 09:36:15 EST 1994 Article: 25251 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.pets.dogs Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!ringrose From: ringrose@iastate.edu (Sharon L Ringrose) Subject: Re: Dog-resistant ground cover? Message-ID: Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA References: <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 04:32:50 GMT Lines: 24 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25251 rec.pets.dogs:49958 In article <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) writes: >Well, the dogs have done a pretty good job of turning 75% >of their/our back yard into bare dirt. This yard is a problem >area to begin with, since it's well-shaded by a large blue spruce >that's been shedding needles for about 50 years, and dog traffic >has finished off a lot of vegetation that was already struggling. > >I'm getting tired of wiping off 8 muddy feet all the time >when it rains, and was trying to think of things I could do >in the spring to make this situation a little better. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You only have a problem with muddy dog paws in the spring!!! My dog was muddy from March until September, but of course I live in Iowa home of THE GREAT LAKE. :( I guess I've got it easy actually, my dog only destroys *part* of the grass in the back yard. He has his trails that he runs to check and make sure that all is well in his domain, but most of the yard is still intact. This doesn't mean that he doesn't get really muddy, he's destroyed all of the grass in one area by the house and so he likes to hang out there to collect mud. -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson Thu Jan 13 09:36:16 EST 1994 Article: 25252 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Bob.Batson From: Bob.Batson@mtask.omahug.org (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Parsnip-rooted Chervil Message-ID: <69.2d325ae5@axolotl> Date: 07 Jan 94 17:08:44 CST Reply-To: bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: rec.gardens Lines: 50 Moira_Carlson@mindlink.bc.ca (Moira Carlson) writes: > I have found several sources that mention a vegetable called > "Parsnip-rooted > Chervil" or "Turnip-rooted Chervil" (Chaerophyllum tuberosum). > Apparently it > has a leaf similar to salad Chervil (Anthriscus cerefolium), but is a > Biennial. It has a fleshy taproot that looks sort of like a carrot and > can > be used in a similar fashion. Is anyone familiar with this vegetable? > Have > you grown it? Have you tasted it? Do you know where I might be able to > find > seed for it? If you can answer any or all of these questions I would > much > appreciate it. I've never grown this plant but according to _CORNUCOPIA: A Source Book of Edible Plants_ by Stephen Facciola (ISBN 0-9628087-0-9), there's only 2 sources for Turnip-rooted Chervil (or Chaerophyllum bulbosum as the author calls it). Gonthier (MM. Ch.) Fils [CAT - FREE] 5240 Wanze Belgium --------- B & T ASSOCIATES [Catalog - 2 IRC]* Whitnell House Fiddington, Bridgwater Somerset TA5 1JE ENGLAND U.K. TEL: (278) 733-209 *NOTE! IRC - International Reply Coupon -------------------------------------------------------------------------- There's also a listing for a Chaerophyllum bulbosum ssp. prescotti, but they're described as "...longer and larger than the common tuberous-rooted chervil, but their flavor is coarser and more like that of the parsnip." The 3 sources for seed of this plant are all non-commercial. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Bob Batson bob.batson@p3.f322.n280.z1.fidonet.org | Primary address bob.batson@mtask.omahug.org | Backup address ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Under the most controlled conditions, the experimental apparatus will do exactly as it pleases. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!charnel!rat!zeus!cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu!dlord Thu Jan 13 09:36:17 EST 1994 Article: 25253 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!charnel!rat!zeus!cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu!dlord From: dlord@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu (D.Lord) Subject: Re: Bat House Message-ID: <1994Jan12.053833.106389@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 05:38:33 GMT Lines: 24 I've been following the BAT thread with interest, especially the post from Maryland about dimensions. But, does it work? I would like to know if any bats actually live in these houses before I invest the time and energy constructing one. Anyone else had positive experience with a BAT house? I read somewhere that you should install the house on the EAST side of the residence, at least 25 feet above the ground. Any wisdom would bew appreciated. I'll be glad to post responses. Is there a reference list somewhere? Thanks. D.L. ................................................................... /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\. |David Lord Architecture Department '''''''''''''''''''''' |California Polytechnic State University dlord@oboe.calpoly.edu |San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 U.S.A. |(805) 756-1321 fax: (805) 756-5986 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel!dgwelton Thu Jan 13 09:36:17 EST 1994 Article: 25254 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel!dgwelton From: dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Troy-Built Chipper-Vac: Opinions/comments needed Date: 12 Jan 1994 05:44:40 GMT Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2h02o8INN23j@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu I'm looking for anyone who has experience with the Troy-Built Chipper-Vac. I'm considering purchasing one for Fall leaf clean up. Any pros, cons, likes, dislikes? All comments are appreciated.. Thanks! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!pcgfx!rebecca.jone Thu Jan 13 09:36:18 EST 1994 Article: 25255 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Is it time to prune roses From: rebecca.jone@pcgfx.com (Rebecca Jone) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!pcgfx!rebecca.jone Message-ID: References: <2gti47$akq@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 19:53:00 -0800 Organization: The PC GFX Exchange * San Francisco, CA * 415-337-5416 Lines: 7 BB: Hello NorthWest gardeners! Is it time to prune my roses yet? The BB: weather is so mild lately and the bushes are sprouting new shoots.... Yes! * RM 1.3 B0009 * From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope Thu Jan 13 09:36:19 EST 1994 Article: 25256 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Elise_-_Swope From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: A FEW BEGINNER'S QUESTIONS Message-ID: <100687@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 94 01:20:16 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <2guucg$8u4@crchh7af.bnr.ca> Lines: 7 Yor climate and type of soil have a great deal to do with what will be easy (or even possible) to grow. WHere are you located? A book i would recommend is the American Horticultural Society: Encyclopedia of Gardening. It's pricy ($50 or so) but complete and could save you the trouble and expense of buying several books. It describes the cultural requirements of many plants , gardening techniques, and trouble- shooting (pests etc). From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!pender.ee.upenn.edu!pauls Thu Jan 13 09:36:19 EST 1994 Article: 25257 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!pender.ee.upenn.edu!pauls From: pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? Date: 12 Jan 1994 13:24:20 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) NNTP-Posting-Host: pender.ee.upenn.edu I just received a letter from the National Arbor Day Foundation in which they offer to send me 10 trees (spruce, maple, oak etc... 6-12 inches) a year subscription to their publication "Arbor Day", and a copy of "The Tree Book" all for a membership fee of $10. All they seem to ask (other than the $10) is that I be sure to plant the trees and save the Earth etc... THe will also use the money to educate school children on planting through the "Grow Your Own Tree" program. All this sounds too good to be true! Has anyone heard of this Foundation? (excuse my ignorance please) Has anyone else received/responded to this offer? How did it go? I think I will go for it. Oh wow! it's snowing like crazy out there! Rich From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!dmiller Thu Jan 13 09:36:20 EST 1994 Article: 25258 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!dmiller From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Gingko Date: 12 Jan 1994 13:26:34 GMT Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT Lines: 38 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2h0tqa$7fj@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: im9.lcs.mit.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.birds:8063 rec.gardens:25258 >Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.gardens >Subject: Re: Gingko In article: <1994Jan6.185557.13806@gw.wmich.edu> 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu opines: JO>In article , toddh@eskimo.com (Todd Huston) writes: JO>> Jeffrey A. Del Col (br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: JO>> JO>> : In a previous article, thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca () says: JO>> JO>> : >In a previous article, x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu wrote: JO>> : >> JO>> : >>I didn't know they were edible. Ginkgo "fruits" have the odor of rancid JO>> : >>butter.(PU!) ^^^^^^ JO>> : ^^^^^^^ JO>> : How about "fresh vomit?" JO>> JO>> : However, once you wash off the wretched (all puns intended) fleshy covering, JO>> : the nuts are tasty. JO>-- JO> Oh, maybe I'll have to try them some day. I didn't think anyone would JO> even think about eating something that smelled so bad! JO> JO> Jeff Ochs And for anothre opinion: I've always thought that parmesan cheese smells like fresh vomit and lots of people (including me) eat that. BTW, what did this ever have to do with birds? It is getting pretty far off from gardens. --Jill Contact below (NOT at theory.lcs.mit.edu): -- A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER SERVICES | InterNet: dmiller@im.lcs.mit.edu | 61 Lake Shore Road | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9am-9pm -0500(EST)| Natick, MA 01760-2099, USA | MMSFORTH: The cure for the common code.| 42 18'00.79" N, 71 22'27.68" W| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!acotton Thu Jan 13 09:36:21 EST 1994 Article: 25259 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!acotton From: acotton@mtholyoke.edu (Anne Cotton) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.pets.dogs Subject: Re: Dog-resistant ground cover? Followup-To: rec.gardens,rec.pets.dogs Date: 12 Jan 1994 13:43:36 GMT Organization: Mount Holyoke College Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2h0uq8$6dv@slab.mtholyoke.edu> References: <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mhc.mtholyoke.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25259 rec.pets.dogs:49977 MUD? You people have MUD out there!? We've got so much snow on the ground now (and more coming) that I seriously don't think my dog will TOUCH the ground until spring! ____________________________________________________________ | One advantage of a black Flat-Coated Retriever is that | | you can easily see the hairs while you're picking them | | out of the butter. | | -- Pet Partners Anne Cotton, and Flattie | | Cinderbin Neg's Molly Malone CD, CGC ("Molly") | |____________________________________________________________| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!zaphod Thu Jan 13 09:36:21 EST 1994 Article: 25260 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!zaphod From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) Subject: Re: design program Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 11:16:34 GMT Message-ID: <1994Jan12.111634.25682@julian.uwo.ca> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <2gv3et$nqh@apollo.it.luc.edu> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: cupoftea.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 18 on 11 Jan 1994 20:50:37 GMT John A. Mcnulty wrote in rec.gardens: > I'd like a program too. There was an article in the Chicago Tribune > this week that mentioned "Sprout" if I recall, but it wasn't > available for the Mac. My problem is I am trying to use only > native Illinois plants, and I doubt if any program will tell me > how tall Big Bluestem gets or what it looks like through the > seasons. i post summat about Sprout! yesterday. i don't have that issue of OG with me right now, but i seem to remember that advert saying mac friendly. -- Lance R. Bailey System/Network Manager Robarts Research Institute NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca box: Clinical Trials Resources Group fax: +1 519 663 3789 P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr. vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108 London, Canada N6A 5K8 If we were still going barefoot the world would be a much softer place. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!moe.coe.uga.edu!joanm Thu Jan 13 09:36:22 EST 1994 Article: 25261 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!moe.coe.uga.edu!joanm From: joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu (Joan Maxfield UCNS) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: bare root roses, when to plant? Date: 12 Jan 1994 15:11:59 GMT Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 26 Message-ID: <2h13vv$68f@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> References: <2guifd$atu@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> <2guqi5$cs5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.coe.uga.edu In article <2guqi5$cs5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) writes: > >Is hookworm a problem among the children in your area? If so, your soil >doesn't freeze. Well sir, no hookwork aint no problem here in these parts, we got's doctors and medicine here now! :) Sorry, your question brought to mind some hideous rurual area with dirty children, bloated with worms, playing in the dirt and chewing on grass next to some old rusted out car with no engine. Actually, I have no idea if hookworm is a problem in children, I know that it is a problem in dogs but they don't freeze either :) We also don't get cold enough most years to kill the dormant fleas so we get infested in the spring. I will plant the bush now :) Thanks! Joan -- Joan C. Maxfield * "Je Crois que je vais cracher une joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu * boule de poils" -Henri de la Barbe maxfield@phoenix.cs.uga.edu * From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!newsflash.mitre.org!news Thu Jan 13 09:36:23 EST 1994 Article: 25262 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!newsflash.mitre.org!news From: mbrady@mitre.org Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Dog-resistant ground cover? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 94 09:18:29 PST Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2h11j9$ld8@newsflash.mitre.org> References: <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mbrady-pc.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.pets.dogs:49987 rec.gardens:25262 In article , writes: > > You only have a problem with muddy dog paws in the spring!!! > My dog was muddy from March until September, but of course I > live in Iowa home of THE GREAT LAKE. :( I guess I've got it > easy actually, my dog only destroys *part* of the grass in the > back yard. He has his trails that he runs to check and make > sure that all is well in his domain, but most of the yard is > still intact. This doesn't mean that he doesn't get really > muddy, he's destroyed all of the grass in one area by the > house and so he likes to hang out there to collect mud. > Our 2 dogs do the same type of "trail routine". We resolved alot of the mud tracking from those areas by laying down coarse mulch that we got free from the County landfill. We put down about 2 inches on the dogs' trails a couple of years ago and it's held up pretty well. When it was fresh we got the added benefit of their paws smelling like trees instead of the many less desirable things they usually like to step in. This spring will be time to replenish the mulch though. ****************************************************************** -Marty Brady (Ms.) "Gardening ... it's not a mbrady@mitre.org hobby, it's an upper body Northern Virginia (Zone 5?) workout." - MWB ****************************************************************** From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!well!green Thu Jan 13 09:36:23 EST 1994 Article: 25263 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!well!green From: green@well.sf.ca.us (Lily Pond) Subject: Re: Bat House Message-ID: Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) References: <1994Jan12.053833.106389@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 15:21:51 GMT Lines: 30 dlord@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu (D.Lord) writes: >I've been following the BAT thread with interest, especially the post >from Maryland about dimensions. >But, does it work? I would like to know if any bats actually live in >these houses before I invest the time and energy constructing one. >Anyone else had positive experience with a BAT house? >I read somewhere that you should install the house on the EAST side of >the residence, at least 25 feet above the ground. Any wisdom would bew >appreciated. >I'll be glad to post responses. Is there a reference list somewhere? >Thanks. >D.L. >................................................................... >/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\. |David Lord Architecture Department >'''''''''''''''''''''' |California Polytechnic State University >dlord@oboe.calpoly.edu |San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 U.S.A. > |(805) 756-1321 fax: (805) 756-5986 >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I've had one for about a year or so, with the only action being from wasps! It's hung exactly where they say it should be and next to a pond to boot. Someone suggested rubbing it with bat "guano" to attract them; I bought it but didn't use it yet. Guess I'm skeptical. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london Thu Jan 13 09:36:24 EST 1994 Article: 25264 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,rec.gardens,alt.folklore.herbs Subject: Edible flowers. Date: 12 Jan 1994 15:39:36 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 34 Message-ID: <2h15jo$qff@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sunsite.unc.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.health.alternative:5965 rec.gardens:25264 alt.folklore.herbs:1560 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 08:58:54 PST From: CD Santa Clara Subject: edible flowers & nutrition NUTRITIONAL VALUE So little interest has been shown in eating flowers that little bonafide data is available. However, there are a number of logical extrapolations available. Flowers are rich in nectar and pollen and studies have shown pollen to be nutritious with vitamins and minerals. Roses and especially rose hps, are very high in vitamin C. Dandelion blossoms are high in vitamins A and C while the leaves are loaded with iron, calcium, phosophorous and vitamin A and C. Marigolds and Nasturtium have vitamin C. Flowers are 95 percent water so it is unlikely that they contain significant amounts of nutrition. So while blossoms add visual delight, pleasing aroma and delightful taste, one thing they do not add is calories. Limited reviews indicated that they are nearly calorie free. Sources: "Small Farm Today," April 1993 "Environmental Nutrition," May 1993 ATTRA, P.O. Box 3657, Fayetteville, AK 72702 "The Forgotten Art of Flower Cookery" By Leona Woodring Smith, Pelican Pub. "The Salad Garden," by Joy Larkcom, Viking Pr. "Living With The Flowers," by Denise Diamond, Quill "Flowers in the Kitchen," Interweave Press "Cooking from the Garden" & "Complete Book of Edible Landscaping," by Rosalind Creasy, Sierra Book Club "Guide for Cooking with Flowers," by Pam North, Paradise Farm, Box 436, Summerland, CA 93067 "Eat The Weeds," by Ben Charles Harris, Keats Publishing. "The Flower Cookbook," by Adrienne Crowhurst, Lancer Books. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!stimpy!pstryjew Thu Jan 13 09:36:24 EST 1994 Article: 25265 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!stimpy!pstryjew From: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Pete Stryjewski) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Bat House Date: 12 Jan 1994 15:31:32 GMT Organization: "Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation, Dallas, TX." Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h154kINNtu@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> References: <1994Jan12.053833.106389@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Reply-To: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.central.sun.com In article 106389@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu, dlord@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu (D.Lord) writes: >I read somewhere that you should install the house on the EAST side of >the residence, at least 25 feet above the ground. Any wisdom would bew >appreciated. > These are some of the "rules of thumb", along with morning sun. The "best bet" for finding information, is to visit the local library. There are a suprisingly large number of books on bats. One in particular is very good (I can't remember the title, but it has bat flying from a cave at sunset as the cover picture), it gives plans for bat houses (and the why they should be constructed this way) along with the "rules of thumb". Pete Stryjewski pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!stimpy!pstryjew Thu Jan 13 09:36:25 EST 1994 Article: 25266 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!stimpy!pstryjew From: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Peter Stryjewski SSE Columbus, OH) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: A FEW BEGINNER'S QUESTIONS Date: 12 Jan 1994 15:34:01 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1599INNtu@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> References: <100687@cup.portal.com> Reply-To: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.central.sun.com In article 100687@cup.portal.com, Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com () writes: > A book i would recommend is the American Horticultural Society: >Encyclopedia of Gardening. It's pricy ($50 or so) but complete and could >save you the trouble and expense of buying several books. It describes the >cultural requirements of many plants , gardening techniques, and trouble- >shooting (pests etc). In the latest issue of "Fine Gardening", The Garden Book Club is offering the AHSEG for $4.95, as a premium for joining the club. Pete Stryjewski pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!yale!gumby!wmichgw!x92ochs1 Thu Jan 13 09:36:26 EST 1994 Article: 25267 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!yale!gumby!wmichgw!x92ochs1 From: x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Gingko Message-ID: <1994Jan12.105141.13893@gw.wmich.edu> Date: 12 Jan 94 10:51:41 EST References: <2h0tqa$7fj@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> Distribution: na Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 47 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.birds:8071 rec.gardens:25267 In article <2h0tqa$7fj@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>, dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) writes: >>Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.gardens >>Subject: Re: Gingko > > In article: <1994Jan6.185557.13806@gw.wmich.edu> 157ochs@gw.wmich.edu > opines: > JO>In article , toddh@eskimo.com (Todd Huston) writes: > JO>> Jeffrey A. Del Col (br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: > JO>> > JO>> : In a previous article, thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca () says: > JO>> > JO>> : >In a previous article, x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu wrote: > JO>> : >> > JO>> : >>I didn't know they were edible. Ginkgo "fruits" have the odor of rancid > JO>> : >>butter.(PU!) ^^^^^^ > JO>> : ^^^^^^^ > JO>> : How about "fresh vomit?" > JO>> > JO>> : However, once you wash off the wretched (all puns intended) fleshy covering, > JO>> : the nuts are tasty. > JO>-- > JO> Oh, maybe I'll have to try them some day. I didn't think anyone would > JO> even think about eating something that smelled so bad! > JO> > JO> Jeff Ochs > > And for anothre opinion: I've always thought that parmesan cheese smells > like fresh vomit and lots of people (including me) eat that. > BTW, what did this ever have to do with birds? It is getting pretty far > off from gardens. > > --Jill > > Contact below (NOT at theory.lcs.mit.edu): > -- Yes, I agree that parmesan cheese smells like fresh vomit, and I prefer to eat spaghetti with lots of it(cheese, not vomit!) Some other things like brocolli smell bad, but taste rather good. Don't judge (some) foods by their smell! Jeff Ochs (X92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu)-expires when I graduate(sometime before 2000 (157ochs@gw.wmich.edu)-expires 4-22-94 after April 22, send mail to x92ochs1 only. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news Thu Jan 13 09:36:26 EST 1994 Article: 25268 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news From: fetzer@Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Eric Fetzer) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Cycadae (Zamia and Encephalartos) Date: 12 Jan 1994 17:07:29 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 43 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1aoh$7ml@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2gv32k$nqh@apollo.it.luc.edu> Reply-To: fetzer@Jpl.Nasa.Gov NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.149.11.1 Summary: Book review Keywords: Cycads Anyone interested in plants in general and cycads in particular should read: CYCADS OF THE WORLD by David L. Jones (Smithsonian Institution Press, 1993, $45 US). This is one of the better botanical / horticultural books I've ever seen, with a rare balance between scientific rigor and readability. I got my copy at the Huntington Library, and it should show up at your favorite bookstore soon. If not, put in a special order; you won't regret it. The first half of the book discusses general cycad biology and horticulture, traditional uses, toxicity, conservation and much, much, more. The second half devotes a chapter to each of the living genera (11) and a detailed subsection to each living species (150-200). There are many beautiful photographs of both cultivated and wild plants. The information is detailed and complete, including maps and _numbers_ to describe climate (no need for a climate atlas to infer actual growing conditions). Highlights for me included: -- An end to all those my-cycad-is-bigger-than-your-threads. Cycas revoluta grows in ancient, monotype groves on the Ryukus, and some of the Australian Cycas reach 20 meters. -- Mexico is not a signatory to CITES, so my Zamia furfuracea was probably gathered in the wilds. Oops. -- Some species have contractile roots and large, underground stems. -- Some species harbor symbiotic algae for nitrogen fixation. -- All species have motile sperm. -- Virtually all parts of some plants can be rooted, including leafless suckers, leaf bases and pieces of the trunk. Trunks have taken root after as long as four years in storage. -- Some of the South African Encephalartos are beautiful but highly endangered, leading to conflicting emotions of desire and guilt. One species is found only in cultivation, but is not considered endangered. This list could go on and on. Don't miss this book. Eric Fetzer Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA fetzer@arp1a.jpl.nasa.gov From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!kelly Thu Jan 13 09:36:27 EST 1994 Article: 25269 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!kelly From: kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Chelsa America Flower Show....AGAIN?! Date: 12 Jan 1994 17:38:21 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2h1cid$8pg@gap.cco.caltech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Can you believe it?! I just read that the "Chelsa America Foundation" will be putting on show in February in Florida and in March, in California! This was in the 'Countryside: Gardens Spring/Summer 94' issue that I was reading off a magazine rack, so I don't remember details, plus i was in SHOCK :) For those of us who went last year, it was a MAJOR fiasco! The 'event calendar' had a photo of a 'winning display' and also talked about how the show is 'known for' acre-like displays! Has anyone else seen ads about these 'events' ?! Anyone planning on attending?! Kelly kelly@cco.caltech.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah Thu Jan 13 09:36:28 EST 1994 Article: 25270 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah From: leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Da Hotta Da Betta Message-ID: <1290@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: 12 Jan 94 03:44:47 GMT References: <2gh0u1INN1me@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <2ghqcnINN73t@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Reply-To: leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith) Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL Lines: 30 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64780 rec.gardens:25270 In article sfisher@megatest.com (Scott Fisher) writes: >BTW, I recently saw Scotch Bonnets *and* habanero peppers for >sale next to one another. I'm convinced there is a difference; these >were quite difference in appearance, with the habaneros the lantern- >shaped, brilliant orange droplets we know and love, and the Bonnets >pale green and yellow, much more deeply wrinkled and recurved at the >apex (opposite the stem), with a slightly different skin. I'm convinced these are the same species, with possible variations in cultivars. (I tried to look this up in Hortus Third, but although it lists dozens of species of, say, Salvia, its entry on Capsicum is disappointingly short.) The Shepherd's Garden Seeds catalog, under its entry for habeneros, says, "In the Caribbean, this type of 1 1/2-inch long chiles are known as 'Scotch Bonnets' for their shape, that of a 'tam-o'-shanter' hat." Johnny's Selected Seeds says, "The extremely pungent Habenero...is found throughout the West Indies, and is called Scotch Bonnet in Jamaica." None of the dozen or so catalogs I've checked lists Scotch bonnets separately from habaneros. In any case, the color differences are accounted for by different stages of ripeness. Habeneros are light green when unripe and turn yellow as they ripen to orange. The store, which may get its chilis from different sources, just labels them as they come from its suppliers. Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah Thu Jan 13 09:36:29 EST 1994 Article: 25271 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah From: leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: <1292@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: 12 Jan 94 05:09:29 GMT References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Reply-To: leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith) Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL Lines: 8 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1566 rec.gardens:25271 Richter's, Goodwood, Ont. L0C 1A0, CANADA, has one of the best herb selections I've seen. And -- you can request a catalog over the net. Send e-mail to richter@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca . I haven't ordered from them, but they seem to do a large international business. Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah Thu Jan 13 09:36:29 EST 1994 Article: 25272 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah From: leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Recommend Seed Company Message-ID: <1293@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: 12 Jan 94 06:58:32 GMT References: <2gc8qc$5ut@hpchase.rose.hp.com> Reply-To: leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith) Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL Lines: 36 In article <940105.74813.DSZUMOWSKI@delphi.com> DSZUMOWSKI@delphi.com (Donald Szumowski) writes: >I have used Nichols Garden Nursery in Albany, OR. They have a good selection >of vegetable seeds. The tel # is (503) 928-9280. The address is 1190 N. >Pacific Highway, Albany, OR 97321-4598. Good luck., Don. I second this recommendation. I also like Pinetree Garden Seeds, Box 300, New Gloucester, ME 04360; phone (207) 926-3400. What I particularly like about Pinetree is that they sell smaller than usual seed packets at lower than usual prices. For example, packets of tomato and pepper seeds contain about 20 seeds and start at 40 cents. Since I like to try lots of varieties and only want a few plants of each, this makes a substantial savings. On the other hand, their packets of peas, at 250 seeds, are larger than usual, but at 75 to 95 cents still cheaper than those of most companies. I have had no troubles with orders from them and their seeds germinate as well as other companies'. Another inexpensive, good company is Le Jardin du Gourmet. However, I don't have their address handy as I haven't received a catalog from them yet this year. Does anyone know whether they are late, or have you received yours and it's just mine that's gone astray? I also have not yet received a '94 catalog from Fox Hollow Herbs, a company I have had mixed results from. (I like them because they have herb and some vegetable seeds at very low prices for "sample" packets, but germination has been spotty. On the other hand, I usually order kind of obscure varieties from them, so they may just be things that germinate poorly; but they don't provide very good directions.) Anyone seen '94 catalogs from these outfits yet? Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah Thu Jan 13 09:36:30 EST 1994 Article: 25273 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah From: leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Message-ID: <1294@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: 12 Jan 94 07:22:17 GMT References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> Reply-To: leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith) Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL Lines: 42 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64781 rec.food.veg:33763 rec.gardens:25273 Terence P Higgins (thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote: >: For the last several months I've been thinking that a group called >: alt.herb would be a wonderful thing. In article <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> jb6778@u.cc.utah.edu (Jay Brummett/Computer Services SLC Public) writes: > If alt.folklore.herb is not having to posting you want >post what you want and look for replies. Usenet newgroups are only >what we make them. Try to start threads on your intrest, If you posted >herb questions of the type you prospose in a.f.h, I would reply. We have >too many newsgroups now, I think it would just make matters worse as many >users seem to have a hard time simply posting let alone getting their >posts to the right group. The traffic on A.F.H is low, so you certianly >should be able to find bandwidth for your intrest in herbs as well as not >be bogged down by the treads that don't tickle your fancy. >------ >PS: I would like to discuss the sort of topics that you propose >to discuss on A.H, I just think we can do so in A.F.H with out >the hassle and bother of a new news group. Well, it seems a bit rude to just go in and take over a group when the people who set it up seem to have had something else in mind. A.f.h. seems to oriented mainly toward the medicinal uses of herbs and most of the people posting there seem interested in alternative medicine. I assume this was the original intent of the group -- else why have "folklore" in the name? As far as I can tell, many (the majority?) of the posters on a.f.h. buy their herbs/herbal medicines in health food stores. Whereas some of us are interested primarily in the culinary uses of herbs and in herbal horticulture. My posts on those subjects in a.f.h. have netted response mainly when I crosspost to rec.food.cooking or rec.gardens. However I suppose that may be a valid approach -- putting herb discussion in a.f.h. with crossposts to other groups as appropriate. I haven't heard from anyone on a.f.h. that they _mind_ posts on nonmedicinal uses of herbs. Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah Thu Jan 13 09:36:31 EST 1994 Article: 25274 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah From: leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Search: Mushroom Spores Message-ID: <1299@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: 12 Jan 94 11:20:38 GMT References: <1994Jan7.160154.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Reply-To: leah@smith.chi.il.us (L.A.Z. Smith) Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL Lines: 15 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64783 rec.gardens:25274 In article <1994Jan7.160154.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> jmackinnon@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >Looking for a source, USA or Canada, for any type of mushroom spores >suitable for growing under average household conditions. > >I've done this in the past with great success but now need a new supply of >spores. Try Fungi Perfecti, Box 7634, Olympia, WA 98507. Phone: 206-426-9292. Good luck! Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah Thu Jan 13 09:36:32 EST 1994 Article: 25275 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!amiserv!vpnet!smith!leah From: leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Da Hotta Da Betta Message-ID: <1300@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: 12 Jan 94 11:42:26 GMT References: <2ghqcnINN73t@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Reply-To: leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith) Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL Lines: 19 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64784 rec.gardens:25275 In article <2glehi$1gi@newswire.etdesg.trw.com> hall@rose.pnyp writes: >I love HOT peppers and just got a new place which has enough room >to grow plants. How do I get a Habanero plant or start one from >a seed? Just about every seed catalog I got this year has habenero seeds in it. If you don't get any others, try Pinetree Garden Seeds, Box 300, New Gloucester, ME 04260. Phone 207-926-3400. A packet of habenero seeds is 55 cents (order #LA70); min. shipping charge is $2.50, though, so if that's all you want I'd look in a garden center first. Burpee has habenero plants available, but they have a minimum plant order of 48 plants (mix and match 6 packs) for $27.50. A "Mexican Kitchen Garden" collection that includes the habeneros along with 4 other peppers, 2 tomatoes and tomatillos (48 plants) is $24.95 (order #N23606). Burbee, 300 Park Ave., Warminster PA 18991-0001; phone 800-888-1447. Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rand.org!rand.org!Trink_Downes Thu Jan 13 09:36:33 EST 1994 Article: 25276 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rand.org!rand.org!Trink_Downes From: Trink_Downes@rand.org (Trijntje (Trink) Downes) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber (YIKES) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 13:12:39 Organization: Rand Corp., Washington DC Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <36.3608.2552.0N41DB17@gcbb.granite.mn.org> <2gvb3a$q0k@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: downes.rand.org X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #9] In article <2gvb3a$q0k@news.u.washington.edu> sbolton@u.washington.edu (Susan Bolton) writes: >From: sbolton@u.washington.edu (Susan Bolton) >Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber f >Date: 11 Jan 1994 23:00:58 GMT >So what does one do with pressure treated lumber? I am currently house >hunting and one of the houses I recently looked at had a nice backyard >full of raised beds. Unfortuneately, the raised beds were made of >pressure treated wood. Is the soil all contaminated now? What could I >do with the wood and soil if I removed it? >sbolton@u.washington.edu I second this question. Late in the fall we used some pressure treated lumber for a bed, but haven't put anything but bulbs in it yet. Spring is getting closer, though, and it was gonna be my veggie garden. Is there a definitive answer about how bad this might actaully be?? Trink --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Trijntje (Trink) Downes | .sig of the month: - Internet: Trink_Downes@rand.org | - Rand Corp., Washington DC | I'd vote for practically anybody - "My opinions only, not theirs" | who doesn't say "Nu-Q-Ler". From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rand.org!rand.org!Trink_Downes Thu Jan 13 09:36:33 EST 1994 Article: 25277 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rand.org!rand.org!Trink_Downes From: Trink_Downes@rand.org (Trijntje (Trink) Downes) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 13:14:09 Organization: Rand Corp., Washington DC Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: downes.rand.org X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #9] In article <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) writes: >From: pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) >Subject: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? >Date: 12 Jan 1994 13:24:20 GMT >I just received a letter from the National Arbor Day Foundation >in which they offer to send me 10 trees (spruce, maple, oak etc... 6-12 inches) >a year subscription to their publication "Arbor Day", and a copy of >"The Tree Book" all for a membership fee of $10. All they seem to ask >(other than the $10) is that I be sure to plant the trees and save the Earth >etc... THe will also use the money to educate school children on planting >through the "Grow Your Own Tree" program. All this sounds too good to be >true! Has anyone heard of this Foundation? (excuse my ignorance please) >Has anyone else received/responded to this offer? How did it go? >I think I will go for it. Oh wow! it's snowing like crazy out there! >Rich We got this in the mail a few days ago, too. I also want too, but feel a tad leery. Anyone had good luck with this offer? Trink --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Trijntje (Trink) Downes | .sig of the month: - Internet: Trink_Downes@rand.org | - Rand Corp., Washington DC | I'd vote for practically anybody - "My opinions only, not theirs" | who doesn't say "Nu-Q-Ler". From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rand.org!Rand.ORG!rodger Thu Jan 13 09:36:34 EST 1994 Article: 25278 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rand.org!Rand.ORG!rodger From: rodger@Rand.ORG (Rodger Madison) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: A FEW BEGINNER'S QUESTIONS Date: 12 Jan 1994 18:19:07 GMT Organization: RAND Corporation Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1eur$cgt@rand.org> References: <100687@cup.portal.com> <2h1599INNtu@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: didabal.rand.org I have also seen this in COSTCO for around $20 - $25. Rodger In article <2h1599INNtu@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Peter Stryjewski SSE Columbus, OH) writes: |> In article 100687@cup.portal.com, Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com () writes: |> > A book i would recommend is the American Horticultural Society: |> >Encyclopedia of Gardening. It's pricy ($50 or so) but complete and could |> >save you the trouble and expense of buying several books. It describes the |> >cultural requirements of many plants , gardening techniques, and trouble- |> >shooting (pests etc). |> |> In the latest issue of "Fine Gardening", The Garden Book Club is offering the |> AHSEG for $4.95, as a premium for joining the club. |> |> Pete Stryjewski |> pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM |> |> |> |> From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!gwv Thu Jan 13 09:36:37 EST 1994 Article: 25279 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.pets.dogs Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!gwv From: gwv@hemlock.cray.com (George Walter VandenBerghe) Subject: Re: Dog-resistant ground cover? Message-ID: <1994Jan12.112558.25349@hemlock.cray.com> Originator: gwv@hemlock Lines: 11 Sender: gwv@hemlock (George Walter VandenBerghe) Nntp-Posting-Host: hemlock Organization: Cray Research, Inc. References: <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> <2h11j9$ld8@newsflash.mitre.org> Date: 12 Jan 94 11:25:57 CST Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25279 rec.pets.dogs:50019 I am glad you can solve the problem of dogs digging in muddy spots by covering the spots and trails with mulch. My dog does the digging but also eats the mulch (and anything else she can get into her mouth EXCEPT dog food!!. Dog food and dog diet seem to be mutually exclusive with this dog) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel!psgrain!news.clark.edu!serval!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!agsp2.ag.uidaho.edu!bprice Thu Jan 13 09:36:38 EST 1994 Article: 25280 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel!psgrain!news.clark.edu!serval!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!agsp2.ag.uidaho.edu!bprice From: bprice@marvin.ag.uidaho.edu (Bill Price) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE (cost) Date: 12 Jan 1994 16:47:11 GMT Organization: College of Agriculture, University of Idaho Lines: 24 Distribution: usa Message-ID: References: <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <94011.200518U14371@uicvm.uic.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.101.7.29 In article <94011.200518U14371@uicvm.uic.edu> U14371@uicvm.uic.edu writes: >> >>In article <7a4v03ude0uI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, lalitha@uts.amdahl.com >>(Lalitha Krishnamurthy) writes: > >>Actual membership is $20 / year - I just joined in the fall and haven't >>received a seed listing yet, but I did order all their publications and am >>very happy so far. > This is good information, though I thought it was $25/year, whatever. >The problem might be that (to put it mildly) they're just a touch busy. >Hans Goeckner The $20-25 prices are recommended for membership. SSE also accepts less if it is all you can afford. IMO it is well worth the price. I can get an overwhelming choice of varieties (many unique) for the minor cost of postage. Further I can look for varieties specifically grown/adapted to my climate, save seeds for next year, and contact other gardeners across the nation (world in some cases). Hans is absolutely correct. They are at the very least busy. It is a small organization with a very large membership. Keep on growing and think sun! Bill Price From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ssd.intel.com!ichips!marcos Thu Jan 13 09:36:39 EST 1994 Article: 25281 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ssd.intel.com!ichips!marcos From: marcos@ichips.intel.com (Marcos O. Camargo) Subject: Acquiring peach trees from overseas Message-ID: Keywords: peach, funds Sender: news@ichips.intel.com (News Account) Organization: MD6 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 18:40:15 GMT Lines: 33 I contacted a university in ChongQing, China about peach varieties and they have a couple of varities that are quite resistant to peach leaf curl and brown rot. These two varieties are not found in the collection of the UDSA as confirmed by Ralf Scorza of the USDA and the professor in China. There is also another variety developed in Florence, Italy. I am looking for people willing to establish a fund to go get these trees and introduce them in the U.S. since it would be nice for organic growers that do not like to do chemical spraying. The expenses to get these trees in China are approximately Air ticket to China and back $ 1,500.00 Hotel/meals expenses for a week $ 700.00 Quarantine service at Prosser, Washington for viral control $ 1,800.00 (900.00 per tree) ---------- Total $ 4,000.00 I would like to know how to set up a fund and get people to contribute. The trees when released by the experimental station should be made available to the public and maybe we could get a good nursery to market them. Any help would be breatly appreciated. -- Marcos O. Camargo | e-mail: marcos@ichips.intel.com Intel Corp. JF1-19 | phone : (503) 696-4273 5200 N.E. Elam Young Parkway | FAX : (503) 681-9017 Hillsboro, Oregon 97124 | From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!wetware!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!ns!news Thu Jan 13 09:36:40 EST 1994 Article: 25282 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!wetware!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!ns!news From: kennesm@raistlan.network.com (Susan Kennedy) Subject: Re: Bat House Message-ID: <1994Jan12.185229.9274@ns.network.com> Sender: news@ns.network.com Nntp-Posting-Host: raistlan Organization: Network Systems Corporation References: <1994Jan12.053833.106389@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 94 18:52:29 GMT Lines: 20 In article <1994Jan12.053833.106389@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> dlord@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu (D.Lord) writes: >I've been following the BAT thread with interest, especially the post >from Maryland about dimensions. > >But, does it work? I would like to know if any bats actually live in >these houses before I invest the time and energy constructing one. > >Anyone else had positive experience with a BAT house? > I have a "spec'd" bat house that has been up for 2 summers with no residents except wasps. I too have never heard of one of the bird house-style ones being used. I have heard of the open bottom ones being used in state parks. And there are plenty of bats (small brown?) here in the summer. -- Susan Kennedy Network Systems Corp. Minneapolis, MN USA (susan.kennedy@network.com) (612) 391-1332 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!admii!nvl-times!astro!bajones Thu Jan 13 09:36:41 EST 1994 Article: 25283 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!ctc.com!news.cs.umb.edu!hsdndev!admii!nvl-times!astro!bajones From: bajones@astro (Ebeth Jones) Subject: Re: Advice on seed planting sought Message-ID: X-Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of NVL Sender: usenet@nvl.army.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.183.12.36 Reply-To: bajones@nvl.army.mil Organization: Night Vision Labs, Ft Belvoir, VA References: <2gcel0INNksq@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> <2gv3a3$bi5@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 18:52:24 GMT Lines: 13 I have a similar question about some lavendar that I started from seed last spring. Its been in a container since then and is only about an inch tall. If I transplant it to the yard this summer, will it grow a lot more? Ebeth -- Elizabeth Jones E-MAIL: bajones@nvl.army.mil "A home without a cat, and a well-fed, well-petted, and properly revered cat, may be a perfect home, *perhaps*, but how can it prove its title?" Mark Twain From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!mullen Thu Jan 13 09:36:41 EST 1994 Article: 25284 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!mullen From: mullen@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Mullen) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? Date: 12 Jan 94 20:31:09 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aries.scs.uiuc.edu In <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) writes: >I just received a letter from the National Arbor Day Foundation >in which they offer to send me 10 trees (spruce, maple, oak etc... 6-12 inches) >a year subscription to their publication "Arbor Day", and a copy of >"The Tree Book" all for a membership fee of $10. All they seem to ask >(other than the $10) is that I be sure to plant the trees and save the Earth >etc... [stuff deleted] I joined several months ago. My offer was 10 spruces. They were small bare- root seedlings that seemed to be in very good condition. (Don't ask me how they're are doing - I had to give them away for lack of room). The publication "Arbor Day" is an eight-page full color newsletter. There is a Q&A section, and the back page features a specific tree and gives info about size, color, planting, etc. I don't remember what else is in there. I've only read one and haven't read my second issue yet. "The Tree Book" is essentially a catalogue of trees and shrubs that they sell. The prices are good, but the trees are small, say 4' average. I'm too impatient for that! Of course, member prices are much better than non-member. Some of the hedge prices are really good, like $0.59 for one of the more common hedge shrubs (very small plants - a few inches). I would say that I got my $10 worth. They seem to be a good organization. Of course, I'm a borderline tree-hugger (haven't quite done it yet) so I'm biased. -- Steven L. Mullen Assistant Director, Mass Spectrometry Laboratory University of Illinois School of Chemical Sciences E-mail to mullen@aries.scs.uiuc.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!seven-up.East.Sun.COM!dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM!southpaw!jriggs Thu Jan 13 09:36:42 EST 1994 Article: 25285 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!olivea!koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!seven-up.East.Sun.COM!dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM!southpaw!jriggs From: jriggs@southpaw.East.Sun.COM (Justin Riggs - PC Networking/Engineering) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? Date: 12 Jan 1994 20:41:35 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC Lines: 19 Sender: jriggs@southpaw (Justin Riggs - PC Networking/Engineering) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1n9v$12d@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> References: <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: southpaw.east.sun.com In article , Trink_Downes@rand.org (Trijntje (Trink) Downes) writes: > > We got this in the mail a few days ago, too. I also want too, but feel a tad > leery. Anyone had good luck with this offer? > > Trink We tried this offer a few years ago. The trees arrived in the middle of January, which is not a good time to plant trees in New Hampshire :^). They were pretty nice trees, but we had to wait (for about 2 months) for the snow to melt and the ground to thaw before we could plant them. A couple of them lived, but the rest died. -- Joe Riggs Sun Microsystems, Inc. Phone: 508-442-0461 EMail: jriggs@East.Sun.COM From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:36:45 EST 1994 Article: 25286 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Bat House Date: 12 Jan 1994 20:52:44 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 36 Message-ID: <2h1nus$okl@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <1994Jan10.230908.25589@news.mentorg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Richard Reid (rreid@rreid.mentorg.com) wrote: : Okay, Since the city saw fit to bulldoze the 47 acres that : surrounded my house, I'm attempting to create a bit of a : refugee camp for some of the local wild life. : Does anyone have plans for building a Bat House? I've : seen a few, but nver have my tape measure handy. : Please don't send the address for Bat Conservation Groups. : I have it. I'm not interested in Bats as a species, I just : want to keep the ones we have around. What I need is : measurements. : Thanks : rick : -- : Rick Reid : rreid@wv.mentorg.com -- Mentor Graphics Corporation : "He looked so aloof out there and ran the bases in the : wrong direction" refering to Carl Egger (1985-1993) Rick, the magazine Canadian Workshop, July 1992 had plans for a bat house in it. Outside box was made of 3/4" pine and interior dividers of 1/2" sheathing grade plywood (6 dividers 7 7/8" deep with 3/4" spaces between). Exterior back piece was 23 1/2 high by 10 1/4 wide and exterior front was 19 1/2 high by 10 1/4 wide. Top exterior piece was 11 1/4 deep and 11 wide. Angle of the top of the dividers inside was 63 degrees slanting down to the front. The whole thing was mounted on a 32 x 4 piece of pine which is then mounted to whatever. The article says to install it where it gets as much sunshine as possible. Locations 12' to 16' off the ground near permanent sources of water work best. Hope this helps. Jan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Thu Jan 13 09:36:46 EST 1994 Article: 25287 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Aphids Date: 12 Jan 1994 20:56:26 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1o5q$okl@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <2guehsINN486@early-bird.think.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] George T. Pearson (george_pearson.co@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu) wrote: : I seem to have aphids on a couple of hibiscus plants that I brought : indoors for the winter. Any suggestions for the best way to clean these : plants up? Thanks! I use a soap spray on aphids and it does the trick. You can buy a commercial spray (like Safer's) or try the following home-made one. 1 part Ivory dish detergent to 10 parts water. Jan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Thu Jan 13 09:36:47 EST 1994 Article: 25288 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: design program Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 21:41:09 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <2gv3et$nqh@apollo.it.luc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu In article <2gv3et$nqh@apollo.it.luc.edu> jmcnult@orion.it.luc.edu (John A. Mcnulty) writes: >From: jmcnult@orion.it.luc.edu (John A. Mcnulty) >Subject: Re: design program >Date: 11 Jan 1994 20:50:37 GMT >I'd like a program too. There was an article in the Chicago Tribune >this week that mentioned "Sprout" if I recall, but it wasn't >available for the Mac. My problem is I am trying to use only >native Illinois plants, and I doubt if any program will tell me >how tall Big Bluestem gets or what it looks like through the >seasons. >These programs may not be very useful in the Netherlands, I suspect. >Patty, not John Greetings from a fellow Illinois native plant fan! I've given up on the computer for native plant design. I now have CRAYONS (in 96 colors, yet, got them for Christmas) and am much happier. I forgot how cool they smelled! ============================================================================= Karen Fletcher fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!dmiller Thu Jan 13 09:36:47 EST 1994 Article: 25289 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!dmiller From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Birch trees Date: 12 Jan 1994 21:36:00 GMT Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2h1qg0$f93@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: im9.lcs.mit.edu In article: <2guja8$j0p@netnews.upenn.edu> shari@spring.sas.upenn.edu (Shari Lazarus) asked: >Due to intense ice buildup on my birch trees, they have completely >bent over and are now forming an upside-down U with the top branches >touching the ground. Do you have any idea if they will survive this >or if they can bounce back after the ice eventually melts off. Any >advice would be much appreciated. Thanks. Many years ago, we had this happen to a birch in our back yard. At the time it was about 30-40 feet tall and about 4" in diameter. It straightened up and is now 60 feet tall and 8" in diameter. As I recall, it took a few months to completely straighten up. So, don't worry unless the wood breaks. --Jill Contact below (NOT at theory.lcs.mit.edu): -- A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER SERVICES | InterNet: dmiller@im.lcs.mit.edu | 61 Lake Shore Road | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9am-9pm -0500(EST)| Natick, MA 01760-2099, USA | MMSFORTH: The cure for the common code.| 42 18'00.79" N, 71 22'27.68" W| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!dmiller Thu Jan 13 09:36:48 EST 1994 Article: 25290 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!dmiller From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Bat House Date: 12 Jan 1994 21:38:51 GMT Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT Lines: 29 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2h1qlb$fdd@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: im9.lcs.mit.edu In article: <1994Jan12.053833.106389@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> dlord@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu (D.Lord) asked: >I've been following the BAT thread with interest, especially the post >from Maryland about dimensions. >But, does it work? I would like to know if any bats actually live in >these houses before I invest the time and energy constructing one. >Anyone else had positive experience with a BAT house? >I read somewhere that you should install the house on the EAST side of >the residence, at least 25 feet above the ground. Any wisdom would bew >appreciated. I've had a bat house for several years and no bats. HOWEVER, I recently learned that my homemade house is not well designed and in the wrong location. The best book I've seen on the subject is "America's Neighborhood Bats", by Merlin D. Tuttle, Univ. of Texas Press, 1988, ISBN 0-292-70403-8 or 0-292-70406-2 (I suppose one is paperback, one hardcover). One hint I've gotten recently is that bats find roosts by the smell of bat guano, therefore one should spray/smear some guano on a new house to make it more attractive to bats. Now all I need is a source of bat guano! :') --Jill Contact below (NOT at theory.lcs.mit.edu): -- A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER SERVICES | InterNet: dmiller@im.lcs.mit.edu | 61 Lake Shore Road | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9am-9pm -0500(EST)| Natick, MA 01760-2099, USA | MMSFORTH: The cure for the common code.| 42 18'00.79" N, 71 22'27.68" W| From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!dmcmenam Thu Jan 13 09:36:49 EST 1994 Article: 25291 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!dmcmenam From: dmcmenam@mtholyoke.edu (Dianna McMenamin) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Kale, Brussel sprouts and Snow and Winter gardening Date: 12 Jan 1994 21:51:43 GMT Organization: Mount Holyoke College Lines: 25 Message-ID: <2h1rdf$f89@slab.mtholyoke.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mhc.mtholyoke.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Dale McSwain (mcswain@cbict3.cb.att.com) wrote: > Greetings Fellow Gardeners, > I squeaked through the foot or so of snow in my yard last week out > to the rear garden to check on things. The brussel sprouts were > frozen solid in the snow as was the kale. (text deleted) > What other vegetables are as resistant to cold as Kale? Most any cole crop is quite hardy. I also understand that carrots can be "root cellared" right in the garden if you use plenty of mulch. Just harvest from one part of the bed at a time. Also, if you let a lettuce plant go to seed in the fall, you will have very early lettuce in the spring. Dianna -- Dianna McMenamin | There is more than meets the eye. There is dmcmenam@mhc.mtholyoke.edu | always more than meets the eye. | -- Barbara Rubin Hudson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Thu Jan 13 09:36:50 EST 1994 Article: 25292 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Interest in review of flower garden design program? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 21:54:52 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu If there's enough interest, I would be happy to post a thorough review of a new garden design program called FLOWERscape ($50). It lets you use photographic images to design your flower garden. ============================================================================= Karen Fletcher fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!dmcmenam Thu Jan 13 09:36:50 EST 1994 Article: 25293 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!dmcmenam From: dmcmenam@mtholyoke.edu (Dianna McMenamin) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Which Compost is Best? Date: 12 Jan 1994 21:54:49 GMT Organization: Mount Holyoke College Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2h1rj9$f89@slab.mtholyoke.edu> References: <1994Jan10.162344.1@vax.sonoma.edu> <1994Jan12.021953.11301@casbs.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: mhc.mtholyoke.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] The best compost is that which you make yourself! You can be sure of what's in it (for instance, no cigarette butts to spread disease to your tomato plants, no weed seeds from livestock bedding, etc.) It's also free, and already at your site. -- Dianna McMenamin | There is more than meets the eye. There is dmcmenam@mhc.mtholyoke.edu | always more than meets the eye. | -- Barbara Rubin Hudson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult Thu Jan 13 09:36:51 EST 1994 Article: 25294 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!uchinews!apollo!orion.it.luc.edu!jmcnult From: jmcnult@orion.it.luc.edu (John A. Mcnulty) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? Date: 12 Jan 1994 21:27:14 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1pvi$1s0@apollo.it.luc.edu> References: <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.it.luc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Richard J. Pauls (pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu) wrote: : I just received a letter from the National Arbor Day Foundation : in which they offer to send me 10 trees (spruce, maple, oak etc... 6-12 inches) : a year subscription to their publication "Arbor Day", and a copy of : "The Tree Book" all for a membership fee of $10. All they seem to ask : (other than the $10) is that I be sure to plant the trees and save the Earth A beautification organization I am involved with agreed to shell out the $10 (I was skeptical). Sure enough, the trees arrived O.K. I planted them in pots so I could carefully monitor them along with my bonsais the first year. All died eventually, and I took very good care of them. The book was a little brochure of no value. I don't remember getting anything else except ads. Maybe this is a legit organization, but I would save my money. Our local forest preserve district hands out zillions of tree seedlings for free each year for school programs... I prefer to deal with these people. Patty, not John From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!cunyvm!rohvm1!mahmgr Thu Jan 13 09:36:51 EST 1994 Article: 25295 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!cunyvm!rohvm1!mahmgr Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Birch trees Message-ID: <94012.130859MAHMGR@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> From: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 13:08:59 EST References: <2guja8$j0p@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 22 In article <2guja8$j0p@netnews.upenn.edu>, shari@spring.sas.upenn.edu (Shari Lazarus) says: > >Due to intense ice buildup on my birch trees, they have completely >bent over and are now forming an upside-down U with the top branches >touching the ground. Do you have any idea if they will survive this >or if they can bounce back after the ice eventually melts off. Any >advice would be much appreciated. Thanks. > >Shari Lazarus >shari@spring.sas.upenn.edu One of mine was doing the same thing (forming a lower case "m"). My husband and I gently smacked off as much ice as we could using broom sticks and then propped up the trunks with ladders. We've noticed them starting to stand up again on their own. I suggest trying to get some of the ice off to release some of the weight. We're in Maryland and it looks like we'll be frozen for at least through the weekend as you will be too :-( Good luck! Meryl <>< rohvm1.mahmgr@rohmhaas.com my words are my own From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bnrgate!bcars267!rthacker Thu Jan 13 09:36:52 EST 1994 Article: 25296 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bnrgate!bcars267!rthacker From: rthacker@bnr.ca (Robert Thacker) Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber (YIKES) Message-ID: <1994Jan12.205705.28182@bnr.ca> Sender: news@bnr.ca (usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: bcars64d Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada References: <36.3608.2552.0N41DB17@gcbb.granite.mn.org> <2gvb3a$q0k@news.u.washington.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 20:57:05 GMT Lines: 25 In article Trink_Downes@rand.org (Trijntje (Trink) Downes) writes: >In article <2gvb3a$q0k@news.u.washington.edu> sbolton@u.washington.edu (Susan Bolton) writes: >>So what does one do with pressure treated lumber? I am currently house >>hunting and one of the houses I recently looked at had a nice backyard >>full of raised beds. Unfortuneately, the raised beds were made of >>pressure treated wood. Is the soil all contaminated now? What could I >>do with the wood and soil if I removed it? >>sbolton@u.washington.edu > >I second this question. Late in the fall we used some pressure treated lumber >for a bed, but haven't put anything but bulbs in it yet. Spring is getting >closer, though, and it was gonna be my veggie garden. Is there a definitive >answer about how bad this might actaully be?? Horrible, ghastly, hideous, death-beams of lumber they are. Capable of eradicating all life within a 100 km radius of where they are placed. The Soviet Union once considered scrapping their nuclear arsenal and replacing it with 2x4s of P.T. lumber, lobbed at North America. Seriously, I'm certainly no expert, but if you don't EAT the lumber, then don't worry about it. You suck in many more horrible chemicals every day just by breathing in your house, outside in any city, etc, etc. Unless you're avid about living organically, then the P.T. chemicals are well-locked into the wood for your purposes. Most avid-organics eventually end up getting run over by buses on the way to the health store. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!lsmith Thu Jan 13 09:36:53 EST 1994 Article: 25297 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!lsmith From: lsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: [Q]Optimum seed germination? Message-ID: <1994Jan12.163335.57095@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 12 Jan 94 16:33:35 CST Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 25 With spring approaching...I'm planning on starting some seeds early indoors as I do every year. I haven't quite figured out the optimum method however .... some questions: because I don't always get great results and I don't understand why. 1.)Should I sterilize containers, e.g seed starter trays, etc? Why? This seems to give better results. I use a dilute solution of chlorin bleach and scrub them. 2.)What is the best germinating medium? I use approx 1/2 sterile peat moss and 1/2 vermiculite and prewet it before adding seeds. Is a sterile medium better? Or should I add some root-enhancing fertilizer to the medium (only a little)? 3.)Often seeds sprout and grow for a little while, only to have their little leaves shrivel up, and then die. Is this called damping off? What causes this? 4.)Should the medium remain moist but not wet? What is the best method for obtaining this? 5.)Should one wait to add fertilizer until the first set of true leaves form? Why? I am much better at this than I was years ago, but there is still room for improvement!! I would really _love_ some help here! Thanks everyone! LSmith@KUHUB.cc.ukans.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!mel.dit.csiro.au!its.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!metro!usage!newt.phys.unsw.edu.au!sadn Thu Jan 13 09:36:53 EST 1994 Article: 25298 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!mel.dit.csiro.au!its.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!metro!usage!newt.phys.unsw.edu.au!sadn From: sadn@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Scott Dann) Subject: Thompson-Morgan catalogue Message-ID: <1994Jan12.024058.7646@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> Sender: news@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU Nntp-Posting-Host: newt.phys.unsw.edu.au Organization: University of New South Wales Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 02:40:58 GMT Lines: 15 A short time ago I asked for some recommendations for some mail order seed sources, and have had several replies. Thanks again to those people. One company which I wish to contact is 'Thompson-Morgan'. The person who gave me the info didn't have their phone number handy at the time but gave me an information number to call. I don't seem to be able to connect to that number from Australia (must be freecall or something...) so does anybody know of this company and if so could you send me their phone number? Much appreciated, and thanks in advance. Scott Dann. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!ra!shiva4175.nrl.navy.mil!user Thu Jan 13 09:36:54 EST 1994 Article: 25299 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!ra!shiva4175.nrl.navy.mil!user From: karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen) Subject: Re: Swiss Chard/Kale Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.gardens Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab References: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 23:14:42 GMT Lines: 19 Some ideas for chard and kale not mentioned thus far: either can be used in stirfrys --- just chop up the stems separately and fry earlier/longer than the green parts. i often put greens like that in soups, especially lentil based soups. Add the chopped stems with carrots, e.g., and the greens in the last 10-15 mins of cooking. For some reason lentils/beans and greens are a great combination --- lots of indian recipes for that too, come to think of it! Fry with garlic and olive oil (and some hot pepper flakes, of course), and serve on pasta. Some wine or broth can be added to braise rather than fry the veggies, and to add liquid to the pasta sauce. Yum! Judy Karpen "pushing back the frontiers of science...." karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil Code 7675K, NRL, Washington DC 20375-5352 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel!oavax.csuchico.edu!CROBINSON Thu Jan 13 09:36:55 EST 1994 Article: 25300 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel!oavax.csuchico.edu!CROBINSON From: crobinson@oavax.csuchico.edu (CAROL ROBINSON) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Info Needed on Springhill and Wayside Gardens Date: 12 Jan 1994 23:56:30 GMT Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2h22neINN5go@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> Reply-To: crobinson@oavax.csuchico.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu I have never ordered plants through mail order catalogs and would like some feedback about Springhill and Wayside Gardens. There seems to be a big difference in the price of plants between the two catalogs but I couldn't really find where it said what size they were. I am trying to landscape our backyard on a budget and don't have much experience. Any suggestions you might have on what and where to order would be appreciated. I am mainly looking for fast growing shrubs and perennials for both sun and shade. I am in northern California in zone 8. I know that really leaves it wide open, but if you have any plants that you have had good luck with it will give me someplace to start. Thanks in advance for the help. Carol From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dis.demon.co.uk!wordshop.demon.co.uk!cooper Thu Jan 13 09:36:56 EST 1994 Article: 25301 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens From: cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk (Gary Cooper) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dis.demon.co.uk!wordshop.demon.co.uk!cooper Subject: Re: Thompson-Morgan catalogue References: <1994Jan12.024058.7646@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> Organization: wordshop Reply-To: cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 23:40:56 +0000 Message-ID: <758418056snz@wordshop.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1994Jan12.024058.7646@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> sadn@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au "Scott Dann" writes: > One company which I wish to contact is 'Thompson-Morgan'. The person > who gave me the info didn't have their phone number handy at the time > but gave me an information number to call. > > I don't seem to be able to connect to that number from Australia (must > be freecall or something...) so does anybody know of this company and if > so could you send me their phone number? Thompson and Morgan's number is as follows: Order Line - (U.K.) 0473:690869 Customer Care - (U.K.) 0473:688821 FAX - (U.K.) 0473:680199 If anyone needs the numbers of any U.K. seed companies please mail me direct and I'll do my best to help. -- Gary Cooper From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dis.demon.co.uk!wordshop.demon.co.uk!cooper Thu Jan 13 09:36:56 EST 1994 Article: 25302 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens From: cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk (Gary Cooper) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dis.demon.co.uk!wordshop.demon.co.uk!cooper Subject: Re: [Q]Optimum seed germination? References: <1994Jan12.163335.57095@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: wordshop Reply-To: cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 52 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 23:58:13 +0000 Message-ID: <758419093snz@wordshop.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1994Jan12.163335.57095@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> lsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > some questions: > 1.)Should I sterilize containers, e.g seed starter trays, etc? Why? > This seems to give better results. I use a dilute solution of chlorin > bleach and scrub them. A/ Because of the danger of (mostly) fungus spores being carried over on untreated containers. Chlorine bleach is a bit harsh - I prefer soap and water! > 2.)What is the best germinating medium? I use approx 1/2 sterile > peat moss and 1/2 vermiculite and prewet it before adding seeds. > Is a sterile medium better? Or should I add some root-enhancing fertilizer > to the medium (only a little)? B/ Depends what you are trying to germinate! I don't think we have 'prewet' in the U.K. (what is it?) but 50/50 peat/vermiculite should be fine for *most* general annuals and veg. No need to add anything else, but you could try a special-purpose seed compost if you like, instead of your peat/vermiculite mix. This will have low levels of fertiliser sufficient to help the plants on their way after germination. > 3.)Often seeds sprout and grow for a little while, only to have their > little leaves shrivel up, and then die. Is this called damping off? > What causes this? C/ Most often fungal growths (see A). Use a sterile growing medium, clean containers and try to avoid too much humidity. If it *does* start up anyway consult a local source of wisdom for what products are available in your area. In the U.K. I tend to use something called Cheshunt Compound, but I don't know if this is available in the U.S.A. Either way, what you need is a gentle fungicide. > 4.)Should the medium remain moist but not wet? What is the best method > for obtaining this? D/ Definitely moist but not wet. Methods vary but I find enclosing newly sown seed trays in a plastic bag works well. Once germination has begun I then slit the bags to admit air and gradually wean the seedlings onto a diet of normal CO2. > 5.)Should one wait to add fertilizer until the first set of true leaves > form? Why? E/ Seeds contain all the nutrients required for germination and the early stages of growth. Applying fertilisers too early can actually retard seedling growth and, in some cases, completely inhibit germination. Good luck! -- Gary Cooper From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!sequent!muncher.sequent.com!sweiger Thu Jan 13 09:36:57 EST 1994 Article: 25303 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!sequent!muncher.sequent.com!sweiger From: sweiger@sequent.com (Mark Sweiger) Subject: FAQ, where are they? Message-ID: <1994Jan13.011204.3105@sequent.com> Sender: usenet@sequent.com (usenet ) Nntp-Posting-Host: eng2.sequent.com Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc. Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 01:12:04 GMT Lines: 10 I am looking for addresses and phone numbers of seed catalogs, and I know we have a FAQ regarding this topic, but I can't remember where. Can anyone out there help me? I am specifically looking for Thompson and Morgan. Thanks, Mark Sweiger -- phone: (503)578-4329 fax: (503)578-5730 internet: sweiger@sequent.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!clark.net!clark.net!not-for-mail Thu Jan 13 09:36:57 EST 1994 Article: 25304 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!clark.net!clark.net!not-for-mail From: jcp@clark.net (Jody C. Patilla) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Richter's catalogue Date: 12 Jan 1994 21:13:02 -0500 Organization: Fluffy Otter Kindercare Lines: 20 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2h2ane$5dq@explorer.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: explorer.clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, my 1994 Richter's catalogue arrived today, and the most immediate change is that there is LOTS more color. VERY attractive, zippier layout, etc. There is a nice pic of Mrs. Richter but noooo pics of Conrad - I was very disappointed. Yes, they have madder, for the person who was looking. This year, they also have neem and several other good things, including "waterpepper", an Asian import which looks just like this stuff that grows wild all over the family farm back in Delaware....... SO anyway, if you haven't requested a catalogue yet, you should. And buy potmakers for all your friends. -- jcpatilla jcp@clark.net "Fling your beavers aloft!" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!att-out!cbfsb!cbnewsg.cb.att.com!djd Thu Jan 13 09:36:58 EST 1994 Article: 25305 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!att-out!cbfsb!cbnewsg.cb.att.com!djd From: djd@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.j.daulton) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: Date: 13 Jan 94 01:48:53 GMT References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Lines: 9 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1572 rec.gardens:25305 (Lines omitted) >carefull with valarian, you shouldn't use to much. Also try Damiana, smoked or >made into tea it is the only herb Iv'e found that noticibly affects you. My herb books says damiana (Turnera diffusa) is a tonic, laxative, mild stimulant, and aphrodasiac. I'm too polite to ask which noticible affect if had. But just in case, where can I get some? Dave Daulton, Columbus, Ohio, Zone 5 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!arielle Thu Jan 13 09:36:59 EST 1994 Article: 25306 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!arielle From: arielle@netcom.com (Stephanie da Silva) Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Message-ID: Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> <1294@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 22:14:06 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64862 rec.food.veg:33803 rec.gardens:25306 In article <1294@smith.CHI.IL.US> leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith) writes: > >In article <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> jb6778@u.cc.utah.edu >(Jay Brummett/Computer Services SLC Public) writes: > >>PS: I would like to discuss the sort of topics that you propose >>to discuss on A.H, I just think we can do so in A.F.H with out >>the hassle and bother of a new news group. > >Well, it seems a bit rude to just go in and take over a group when the >people who set it up seem to have had something else in mind. Actually, not. Newsgroups tend to take on a personality of their own, depending on their readership. Sometimes what the readers talk about is not what the creators of the group had in mind. But that's just the way the net works. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!arielle Thu Jan 13 09:37:00 EST 1994 Article: 25307 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!arielle From: arielle@netcom.com (Stephanie da Silva) Subject: Re: Da Hotta Da Betta Message-ID: Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2gh0u1INN1me@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <2ghqcnINN73t@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <1290@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 22:19:49 GMT Lines: 14 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64863 rec.gardens:25307 In article <1290@smith.CHI.IL.US> leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith) writes: >In article sfisher@megatest.com >(Scott Fisher) writes: >>BTW, I recently saw Scotch Bonnets *and* habanero peppers for >>sale next to one another. I'm convinced there is a difference; > >I'm convinced these are the same species, I think they're different peppers as well. Habaneros come in 4 colors, red, yellow, orange and green, are more vibrantly colored and are pointy-shaped. Scotch bonnets come in two colors, yellow and green, are pale-colored, are kind of smushed and wrinkled, and are larger than habs. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!ringrose Thu Jan 13 09:37:00 EST 1994 Article: 25308 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!ringrose From: ringrose@iastate.edu (Sharon L Ringrose) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.pets.dogs Subject: Re: Dog-resistant ground cover? Date: 13 Jan 1994 03:37:15 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 19 Message-ID: <2h2flb$59c@news.iastate.edu> References: <1k1mgm-050194145901@kumgm3.pharm.ukans.edu> <2h0uq8$6dv@slab.mtholyoke.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: xray2.ameslab.gov Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25308 rec.pets.dogs:50092 In article <2h0uq8$6dv@slab.mtholyoke.edu> acotton@mtholyoke.edu (Anne Cotton) writes: >MUD? You people have MUD out there!? We've got so much snow on >the ground now (and more coming) that I seriously don't think my >dog will TOUCH the ground until spring! Ok, ok, so the mud is covered by snow. I sure hope that this year is better than last year though. I need a drier year so that my peonies will have a fighting chance. And I've got a couple of plants that like wet weather *TOO* much, I need it to be dry for a while so that I can kill them back. But if it rains all of the time, I've got to spend forever cleaning off the dog paws and I don't have time to spend in the garden. :( Sharon Ringrose ringrose@iastate.edu -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!ringrose Thu Jan 13 09:37:01 EST 1994 Article: 25309 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!ringrose From: ringrose@iastate.edu (Sharon L Ringrose) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Cycadae (Zamia and Encephalartos) Date: 13 Jan 1994 03:42:59 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h2g03$5qp@news.iastate.edu> References: <2gv32k$nqh@apollo.it.luc.edu> <2h1aoh$7ml@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: xray2.ameslab.gov Keywords: Cycads In article <2h1aoh$7ml@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fetzer@Jpl.Nasa.Gov writes: > > Anyone interested in plants in general and cycads in particular should read: > > CYCADS OF THE WORLD > > by > > David L. Jones > >(Smithsonian Institution Press, 1993, $45 US). This is one of the better botanical / horticultural books I've ever seen, with a rare balance between scientific rigor and readability. I got my copy at the Huntington Library, and it should show up at your favorite bookstore soon. If not, put in a special order; you won't regret it. Thanks for sharing this. I just saw it listed by the Garden Book Club and was trying to decide how useful it might be. I'm interested in cycads, but don't most of them grow really, really slowly? Are there any species that grow at reasonable rates, or are not horrendously expensive? Sharon Ringrose ringrose@iastate.edu -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!gold.tc.umn.edu!john0130 Thu Jan 13 09:37:02 EST 1994 Article: 25310 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!gold.tc.umn.edu!john0130 From: john0130@gold.tc.umn.edu (Paul G Johnson-1) Subject: Adding organic matter to lawn Message-ID: Sender: john0130@gold.tc.umn.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: gold3.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 04:22:39 GMT Expires: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 06:00:00 GMT Lines: 20 This is a follow up to a recent thread on adding organic matter to an established fescue lawn... The best way to get organic matter into an existing lawn is to let the grasses do it! The prairies are a good example of this and yes, even turfgrasses can improve the soil. The decomposing roots will, over time, build up a nice organic layer in the clay soil and open up the soil for better drainage and growth. Aerifying and topdressing with organic matter won't necessarily hurt the lawn, but it won't get incorporated too well. Above all don't topdress with sand. The reason many golf courses use sand is that the greens are sometimes made of a high sand mix. Therefore give the grass what it needs for good growth. If the pH is low, liming might be helpful. Some fertilizer might also be needed. Get a soil test if in doubt. My mother-in-law has a new lawn of sod on top of sub soil clay in Omaha, Nebraska, and after three to four years there is a nice amount of organic matter. You are ahead of the game with a seeded lawn. Paul Johnson From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet.scri.fsu.edu!lholmes Thu Jan 13 09:37:02 EST 1994 Article: 25311 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet.scri.fsu.edu!lholmes From: lholmes@freenet.scri.fsu.edu (Leonard Holmes) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Growing Palms Date: 13 Jan 1994 05:06:08 GMT Organization: Tallahassee Free-Net Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2h2ks0$cdk@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <1994Jan11.211556.13883@gw.wmich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.scri.fsu.edu I do have one Butia under the edge of my deck, facing south. With single digits predicted this weekend, I may wrap it with remay for a couple of days. It is still fairly small. Bubble-wrap works pretty well too. It doesn't look like there is much on Internet about palms, judging from the responses to this, and to a query on the Gardens list. -- Leonard Holmes Clinical Psychologist, hardy palm grower lholmes@freenet.fsu.edu holmes.leonard@hampton.va.gov lholmes@aol.com USDA zone 7B/8A lghol1@mail.wm.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:37:03 EST 1994 Article: 25312 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: <1994Jan13.000919.21431@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 13 Jan 94 00:09:18 -0600 References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 14 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1578 rec.gardens:25312 In article , djd@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.j.daulton) writes: > (Lines omitted) >>carefull with valarian, you shouldn't use to much. Also try Damiana, smoked or >>made into tea it is the only herb Iv'e found that noticibly affects you. > > My herb books says damiana (Turnera diffusa) is a tonic, laxative, mild > stimulant, and aphrodasiac. I'm too polite to ask which noticible affect > if had. But just in case, where can I get some? We had Turnera (ulmifolia, not diffusa) in the Iowa State botany greenhouse... my major prof liked to keep it next to Lobelia antisiphilitica.... ;-) Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:37:04 EST 1994 Article: 25313 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: How to get the FAQ's Message-ID: <1994Jan13.010834.21437@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 13 Jan 94 01:08:34 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 160 ----------------------------------- Accessing the rec.gardens FAQlists: ----------------------------------- anonymous ftp: ftp sunsite.unc.edu cd pub/academic cd agriculture/sustainable_agriculture cd recgardens/ (all the faqs are here) -or- cd medicine/alternative-healthcare/miscellaneous -or- cd environment/alternative-energy/miscellaneous telnet: telnet sunsite.unc.edu Login: gopher Enter term type: (vt100 works fine) - sunSITE GOPHER comes up - The Worlds of sunSITE Sustainable Agriculture Information Browse Sustainable Agriculture Information sustainable_agriculture recgardens (all the faqs are here) - OR - The Worlds of sunSITE browse sunsite archives academic environment alternative energy miscellaneous The Worlds of sunSITE browse sunsite archives academic medicine alternative healthcare miscellaneous NEWSGROUPS and MAILING LISTS ---------- ------- ----- Reading alt.sustainable.agriculture gives you everything flowing through the sustag-public and sanet-mg lists in addition to any articles posted directly to the newsgroup. 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They are accesable by ftp, telnet, Gopher, WAIS & FTPMail. --=-- For more information contact: Lawrence London london@sunSITE.unc.edu sunSITE ftp directories: /pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture /pub/academic/environment/alternative-energy/miscellaneous /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/miscellaneous --=OR=-- Paul Jones Paul_Jones@unc.edu Office for Information Technology University of North Carolina Chapel, Hill, N.C. 1-919-962-9107 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:37:04 EST 1994 Article: 25314 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Seed catalogs: 1 Message-ID: <1994Jan13.010904.21438@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 13 Jan 94 01:09:04 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 649 ZDate: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:37 CDT From: KLIER@iscsvax.uni.edu GENERAL SEED CATALOGS: NORTH AMERICAN (and a few plant catalogs, and a few British and Swedish firms) revision of 2 October, 1992 Bob Batson provided the list that was the basis of this FAQ. Comments are mainly his. Jim Bishop, Steve Holder, Mike Huben, Risto Paasivirta, Beverly Erlebacher, Ceci Henningsson added others. Another good place to hunt seed catalog addresses is the list published annually in a winter issue of _Flower and Garden_ Magazine. Most spring seed catalogs are issued in late December/early January. Some additions and comments by Kay Klier; typos are probably hers! Unless otherwise indicated, assume the catalog covers a general range of seeds, including flowers, vegetables and herbs. Beginning gardeners are advised to obtain and study the catalogs that are marked as especially useful for novices; you'll get good basic gardening information (mostly for free!). The White Flower Farm catalogs are also well-written information on growing perennials, shrubs and trees. You may find yourself saving these as reference materials. Native North American species, specialist lists, catalogs of plants, bulb catalogs, and herb catalogs are covered in their respective FAQL's. Cat - Catalog CC - Credit Cards cv - cultivar(s) (=variety) heirloom -- old cultivars (varieties) Min. - Minimum Order OVER - Overseas PC - Personal Checks OC - Other Currencies op - open-pollinated (non-hybrid) orn - ornamentals R&W - retail and wholesale SASE - Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope SP: - Specialises In veg. - vegetable(s) * - good for beginning gardeners + - highly recommended for beginning gardeners, IMHO ABUNDANT LIFE SEED FOUNDATION BANANA TREE (THE) P.O. Box 772 715 Northampton St. Townsend, WA 98368 Easton, PA 18042 Cat $1, R&W, Min. $10; op & Cat $2, R&W, PC/CC, OVER, Min. heirloom veg, herbs, green $6.50, SP: rare & uncommon tropical manures, natives, books; organic seeds & bulbs, banana corms, palms, emphasis. oriental veg., ornamentals. AGWAY, INC. BAXTER (WALTER) SEED CO. 1225 Zeager Road P.O. Box 8175 Elisabethtown, PA 17022 Weslaco, TX 78596-3175 Cat $0, PC/CC; A full-line Cat $0, R&W, PC, OVER, Min. $1 farmer's co-op for seeds BEA'S SERVICE ALBERTA NURSERIES & SEEDS, LTD. P.O. Box 8422 Box 20 Calabasas, CA 91302 Bowden, Alta. Cat $0, PC, OVER, SP: chili Canada T0M 0K0 pepper seeds from Mexico Cat $0 in Canada, $2 US; orn & veg for short seasons; northern BELCHE HERB CO. wildflowers P.O. Box 1305 Schenectedy, NY 12301 ALFREY SEEDS P.O. Box 415 BOJO'S GARDEN SEED Knoxville, TN 37901 P.O. Box 1408 Cat SASE, PC, OVER, SP: Rare Caldwell, ID 83606 and hard to find peppers, tomatoes, Cat $0, RW, PC, OVER, SP: & okra traditional op veg. seeds for the home gardener. Emphasis is on ALLEN, STERLING & LOTHROP flavor. 191 US Rt 1 Falmouth, ME 04105 BOUNTIFUL GARDENS/ECOLOGY ACTION Usual run of veg, ann. 5798 Ridgewood Road ornamentals, list of cover crops, Wilits, CA 95490 fertilizers for organic gardeners, Cat $0, RW, PC/CC, OVER, SP: op lawn grass. seeds; books ALTA SEEDS BOUNTIFUL HARVEST P.O. Box 253 P.O. Box 11295 Potrero, CA 92063 Des Moines, IA 50340-1295 Cat $2 refundable, PC/OC, OVER, Cat $1, PC/CC SP: vegetables for home gardeners BRICKER'S ORGANIC FARMS, INC. APOTHECARY SEED COMPANY 824-K Sandbar Ferry Road P.O. Box 1324 Augusta, GA 30901 Battle Ground, WA 98604 Cat $0, R&W PC Cat $0, PC, SP: rare & unusual op veg., culinary & medicinal BRODERNA herbs, scented plants & natural Broederna Nelsons Froe AB** pest control. S-362 00 TINGSRYD SWEDEN ARCHIAS' SEED STORE. Cat $0. Allround. 106 East Main Street **oe=o with two dots above it) Sedalia, MO 65301 Cat $0, R&W, PC/CC, OVER; U of Missouri vegetable cvs, including 5 cv popcorn, op corn, tomatoes. BRUDY (JOHN) EXOTICS 3411 Westfield Drive COMPANION PLANTS Brandon, FL 33511 7247 N Coolville Ridge Cat $2 refundable, PC, OVER, Athens, OH 45701 SP: seeds of exotic tropical Cat $2; herbs (plants & seeds); trees & shrubs, both ornamental & Eastern US natives. edible. COMSTOCK, FERRE & CO BURGESS SEED AND PLANT CO. P.O. Box 125 905 Four Seasons Road Wethersfield, CT 06109-0125 Bloomington, IL 61701 Cat $0, RW, PC/CC, OVER, Min. Cat $1, CC $15, old-fashioned flowers, veg. (established in 1820) BURPEE (W. ATLEE) & CO. * + 300 Park Avenue COOK'S GARDEN (THE) Warminster, PA 18974 P.O. Box 65 Cat $0, RW, PC/CC Londonderry, VT 05148 One of the oldest & best known Cat $1, RW, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seed comp. in the US; good general seeds of lettuce, salad greens & range of plants; good info. mesclun; also has some gourmet veg. seed BURRELL (D.V.) SEED GROWERS CO. P.O. Box 150 CORNS Rocky Ford, CO 81067-0150 Rt 1, Box 32 Cat $0, RW, PC, OVER Turpin, OK 73950 Veg and flower seed; small Cat $1, deductible; op and inexpensive packets; some vars esp. heirloom cvs of corn (maize) for Intermountain West; melon list esp. strong. COTTAGE GARDEN (THE) PO Box 106 BUTCHART GARDENS SEED STORE Woodstock, IL 60098 Box 4010, Station A Victoria, BC V8X 3X4 COUNTRY GARDEN (THE) Canada PO Box 3539 Catalog $1, deductible; orn. Oakland, CA 94609 Cat $2; flowers for cutting BUTTERBROOKE FARM 78 Barry Road CRICKET HILL HERB FARM Oxford, CT 06483 Glen Street Cat $0.50, RW, PC, OVER, SP: Rowley, MA 01969 traditional & op veg. seeds for Cat $1; herbs, scented short growing seasons geraniums, orn. CAPRILANDS HERB FARM CROSMAN SEED CORPORATION 534 Silver Street P.O. Box 110 Coventry, CT 06238 East Rochester, NY 14445 Cat $0, RW, PC, Min. $3, CARROLL GARDENS (established in 1838); general PO Box 310 range of seeds, most packets $0.59 Westminster, MD 21157 CROSS SEED CO, INC CHILTERN SEEDS HC69, Box 2 Bortree Stile Bunker Hill, KS 67626 Ulverston Cat $1, deductible; organically Cumbria, LA2 7PB grown seeds & grains England Cat $?; about *5000* species, esp. European, South African, Australian wildfls. Utterly amazing! CURRAN (JOHN) SPECIALTY SEED CO. ECHO 14 Cedar Ave. 17430 Durrance Road Manahawkin, NY 08050 North Fort Meyers, FL 33917 Cat $1, PC/OC, OVER, SP: seed Cat $1, PC, OVER, SP: seeds & of open-pollinated traditional & plants of underexploited but heirloom veg. & culinary herbs, important tropical foods selected for fine flavor & resistance to drought & heat. ED HUME SEEDS PO Box 2450 D.V. Burrell Seed Growers Kent, WA 98032 See: BURRELL Cat $0; veg. and orn. for cool- season growing in Pacific NW. DABNEY HERBS Box 22061 EVERGREEN Y.H. ENTERPRISES Louisville, Kentucky 40222 P.O. Box 17538 Anaheim, CA 92817 DAM (William) SEEDS Cat $1, deductible; oriental P.O. Box 8400 vegetable seeds Dundas, Ontario Canada L9H 6M1 FARMER SEED & NURSEY CO. * Cat $2 (ref); SP: Veg, orn, P.O. Box 129 herbs. Many Dutch and other Faribault, MN 55021 European cvs. Untreated seeds. Cat $0, PC/CC/OC, OVER Ships to U.S. and other foreign countries. FEDCO SEEDS 52 Mayflower Hill Dr. De GIORGI CO. INC. Waterville, ME 04901 6011 N St Cat $1, veg, herb, orn seeds. Omaha, NE 68117 Cat $2, PC, OVER FIELD'S (HENRY) SEED & NURSERY * commercial and home grower + quantities, emphasis esp. on cvs 407 Sycamore Street for prairie states. Strong lists Shenandoah, IA 51602 for perennials, rock-garden, Cat $0, PC/CC; everything cabbage. basic; folksy flavor. DILL (Howard) ENTERPRISES FISCHER GREENHOUSES RR1 609-927-3399 Windsor, Nova Scotia B0N 2T0 Linwood, NJ 08221 Canada specializing in African Violets Cat $1; pumpkin seedss, including 'Atlantic Giant' FLOATING MOUNTAIN SEEDS P.O. Box 1275 DOMINION SEED HOUSE Port Angeles, WA 98362 115 Guelph St. Cat $1.50, PC/CC, OVER. Georgetown, Ontario CANADA L7G 4A2 FLOWER AND HERB EXCHANGE Cat $0, *Canadian Orders ONLY*; Rt. 3, Box 239 good veg and flower list, many Decorah, Iowa 52101 especially selected for earliness and cold-tolerance; good upply and FOX HILL FARM tool list. PO Box 7 Parma, MI 49269 Dr. Yoo Farm See: YOO FOX HOLLOW HERBS P.O. Box 148 Earl May Seed and Nursery Company McGrann, PA 16236 SEE: MAY FRAGRANT PATH GLECKLER'S SEEDSMEN PO Box 328 Metamora, OH 43540 Fort Calhoun, NE 68023 Cat $0, PC, OVER, Min. $2; Cat $1; Fragrant and old heirloom veg. fashioned flowers. GOODWIN CREEK GARDEN FRIENDS OF THE TREES PO Box 83 P.O. Box 1064 Williams, OR 97544 Tonasket, WA 98855 GRINAN GARDENS G. SEED CO. PO Box 14492 PO Box 72 San Fransisco, CA 94114 Tonasket, WA 98855 Cat $1, deductible; Cat $1; op veg, herb, orn; many ornamentals, many from abroad heirlooms. GURNEY SEED & NURSEY CO. *+ GARDEN CITY SEEDS * 1224 Page Street 1324 Red Crow Road 605-665-1930 Victor, MT 59875-9713 Yankton, SD 57079 Cat $2, PC, OVER; seeds for Cat $0, PC/CC/OC northern climates subzero roses; large stock of orn. & veg. cvs. (established in GARDENIMPORT INC. * 1866) P.O. Box 760 Thornhill, ON L3T 4A5 HALINAR (Dr. JOSEPH C.) CANADA 2333 Crooked Finger Rd Cat $4, PC/CC, OVER (N.A. Scotts Mills, OR 97375 agents for Sutton Seeds of GB); Cat for 1 1st class stamp; good bulb list as well as veg, seeds of daylilies, lilies, allium flower; some British & European cvs. HARRIS MORAN SEED COMPANY 3670 Buffalo Road GARDENS ALIVE! Moreton Farm P.O. Box 149 Rochester, NY 14624 Sunman, IN 47041 HARRIS SEEDS * GAZE SEED CO. 60 Saginaw Drive PO Box 640 Rochester, NY 14623 St. John's, Newfoundland A1C 5K8 Cat $0, PC/CC CANADA general; also lawn seeds Cat $0; orn, veg, lawn grasses, trees, shrubs, good HASTINGS - THE SOUTHERN GARDENER'S selection of tools & supplies, CATALOG incl. forks and hand plows. 800-334-1771 (IN GA 404-755-6580) 1036 White Street, SW Geo. W. Park Seed Co., Inc. PO Box 115535 SEE PARK'S Atlanta, GA 30310-8535 seeds, plants, water gardening, GH ALTITUDE GARDENS organics, gardening aids P.O. Box 4619 Ketchum, ID 83340 HASTINGS AND COMPANY (H.G.) 1-800-874-7333 (telephone) Box 4274 Cat $3, PC/CC, OVER. Atlanta, GA 30302 Regional seed company dedicated to making available seeds of veg., HEIRLOOM GARDENS herbs, wild flowers & native Box 138 grasses adapted to short season, Guerneville, CA 95446 high altitude climates around the Cat $2.50; orn. & herbs world. HEIRLOOM SEEDS P.O. Box 245 J.W. Jung Seed Company Finleyville, PA 15088-0245 See Jung's Cat $1, deductible; veg & orn. JACKSON AND PERKINS Henry Fields and Company Box 1028 SEE FIELD'S Medford, OR 97501 1-800-292-grow HIGH ALTITUDE GARDENS Cat $0, hybrid roses and other PO Box 4238 perennials Ketchum, ID 83340 Cat $3; op veg, wildflowers, JOHN SCHEEPERS, INC native grasses, organic P.O. Box 700 fertiilizers and pest controls; Bantam, CT 06750 wildflower seed locally collected. 203-567-0838 Strong list for Intermountain West. nice range of bulbs HOLLAND WILDFLOWER FARM HS JOHNNY'S SELECTED SEEDS * Elkins, AR 72727 310 Foss Hill Road Albion, ME 04910 HORTICULTURAL ENTERPRISES (AU) Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seeds P.O. Box 810082 for cool, short-season areas, esp. Dallas, TX 75381-0082 veg. Cat $0, PC. Large selection of chile & sweet pepper seed JOHNSON SEED CO. 227 Ludwig Ave. HUDSON (J.L), SEEDSMAN Dousman, WI 53118 P.O. Box 1058 Cat. $0; heirloom and modern Redwood City, CA 94064 veg. seed. Cat $1, PC, OVER rarities, incl. veg from Zapotec JORDAN SEEDS INC Indians of Mexico; mostly for 6400 Upper Afton Road serious, experienced gardeners Woodbury, MN 55125 Cat $0 IMPECTA HANDELS S-640 25 JULITA JUDE HERBS SWEDEN Box 563-CJ Cat $0. PC. house plants, Huntington Station, NY 11746 trees, flowers, herbs, vegetables. Some black/white photos. SP: Rare JUNG QUALITY SEEDS seeds. 414-326-4100 - orders only 335 S. High St. INTERMOUNTAIN SEEDS Randolph, WI 53957-0001 P.O. Box Cat $0, PC/CC Rexburg, ID 83440 Cat $0, PC. Veg., herb & flower KELLY NURSERIES seeds adapted to the cool night Dansville, NY 12237 temperatures & short growing season of the Intermountain region KESTER WILD GAME FOOD NURSERIES PO Box V ISLAND SEED MAIL ORDER Omro, WI 54963 PO Box 4278, Station A Cat $2; Seeds, bulbs for Victoria, BC V8X 3X8 species favored as food and cover CANADA by game species. Cat $2; good basic list for Pacific NW KITAZAWA SEED CO. 1748 Lane Avenue J.L.HUDSON, SEEDSMAN Santa Clara, CA 95051 PO Box 1058-HW Cat $0; oriental veg and herb Redwood City, CA 94064 seeds. LONG ISLAND SEED COMPANY KRIDER NURSERIES 1368 Flanders Road PO Box 29 Flanders NY 11901 Middlebury, IN 46540 LOUISIANA NURSERY KSA JOJOBA Rt 7, Box 43 19025 Parthenia St Opelousas, LA 70570 Northridge, CA 91324 3 catalogs: $3 daylilies & Cat SASE + 2 $0.29 stamps; Louisiana irises; $5 magnolias, jojoba trees, shrubs, vines; $3 crinums and other bulbs LAKELAND NURSERY SALES Unique Merchandise Mart MAY (EARL) SEED & NURSERY *+ Building 1 208 North Elm Street Hanover, PA Shenandoah, IA 51603 Cat $0; An amazing exercise in 1-800-831-4193 (telephone) off-the-wall "common names" and Cat $0, PC/CC; old, established hype. Caution (and a large grain seed and nursery with usual range of salt) advised. of veg, orn, trees and shrubs. LANDRETH SEED CO. * Mc CRORY'S SUNNY HILL HERB FARM P.O. Box 6426 Star Route 3 Box 844 Baltimore, MD 21230 Eustis, FL 32726 Cat $2, OVER. (established in 1784); veg. McCLURE & ZIMMERMAN 108 W. Winnebago LAVAL SEEDS [=SEMENANCES LAVAL] P.O. Box 368 3505 Saint Martin West Friesland, WI 53935 [=3505 Boulevard St-Martin Ouest] 414-326-5769 Ville de Laval, Que. bulbs, esp. species and uncommon. Canada H7T 1A2 Cat. $0, good list of veg, orn, McFAYDEN SEEDS houseplant seeds. PO Box 1800 Brandon, Manitoba R7A 6N4 LE JARDIN DU GOURMET Canada West Danville, VT 05873 Cat $0; good selection of cvs Gourmet veg. seeds. for colder climates; also wine and beer-making supplies. LE MARCHE SEEDS INTERNATIONAL Box 566 MELLINGER'S INC. *+ Dixon, CA 95620 2310 West South Range Rd. Gourrmet veg. seeds. North Lima, OH 44452-9731 1-800-321-7444 (telephone) LEDDEN (OROL) & SONS 216-549-9861 P.O. Box 7 Fax: 216-549-3716 Sewell, NJ 08080-0007 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER 609 468-1000 nursery stock, house plants, Cat $0, PC/CC: cvs adapted for tools, pots, soil mixes, etc.; NE US; pasture, lawn, some offers small quantities of heirlooms; seeds, bulbs, plants, commercial growers supplies that cover crops, supplies. can be otherwise difficult to find. LIBERTY SEED COMPANY * MEYER SEED CO. * P.O. Box 806 600 S. Caroline St. New Philadelphia, OH 44663 Baltimore, MD 21231 216-364-1611 Cat $0, PC/CC; specializes in fax: 216-364-6415 seed for MD, northern VA. interesting mix of veg and farm seeds, some flowers MICHIGAN BULB COMPANY OF THE JUNGLE 1950 Waldorf, N.W. PO box 1801 Grand Rapids, MI 49550 sebastopol, ca 95473 cheap prices, complaints on Catalog $2, SP: ethnobotany ; quality; caveat emptor Very exotic selection of seeds and plants, mostly of ethno- MIDWEST SEED GROWERS, INC. pharmacological or ethnic food 505 Walnut St. type. Also (strange) botanical Kansas City, MO 64106 products. MILEAGER'S GARDENS OLDS SEED CO. * 4838 Douglas Avenue P.O. Box 7790 Racine, WI 53402-2498 Madison, WI 53707 1-800-669-9956 Cat $2.50 refundable, PC, OVER bulbs ONTARIO SEED CO, LTD MOON MOUNTAIN WILDFLOWERS Box 144 P.O. Box 34 Waterloo, Ont. Morro Bay, CA 93442 Canada N2J 3Z9 MOUNTAIN SEED & NURSERY ORIENTAL SEED CO P.O. Box 9107 PO Box 330058 Moscow, ID Hartford, CT 06133 Cat $1 refundable, PC/CC, OVER, Cat $2 deductible, oriental SP: seeds for cold short season veg, herbs, orn. areas Orol Ledden & Sons, Inc. MUSSER FORESTS, INC. See: Ledden PO Box S-91 M Indiana, PA 15701 Otis S. Twilley Seed Company, Inc. 412-465-5685 See: TWILLEY fax: 412-465-9893 trees, esp. seedlings for Otto Richter & Sons reforestation See: RICHTER NATIVE SEEDS/SEARCH PAGE SEED CO. 3950 W. New York Drive P.O. Box 158 Tucson, AZ 85745 Greene, NY 13778 Cat $1; 200+ cvs of vegetable Cat $0, PC seed adapted to desert SW; organized by an ethnobotanist, so PARK (GEORGE W.) SEED CO. *+ strong representation of seeds from Cokesbury Road native peoples (landraces). Strong Greenwood, SC 29647-0001 book section. Cat $0, PC/CC NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY INC. *+ PEACE SEEDS 1190 North Pacific Hwy. 2385 S.E. Thompson St. Albany, OR 97321 Corvallis, OR 97333 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER Cat $3.50, PC/OC, OVER (unconfirmed reports of poor germination) PEPPER GAL (THE) 10536 119th Ave. North NOEL'S GARDEN SEEDS Largo, FL 34643 R.D. #2K Cat $0, PC Mails to US & Canada Oxford, NY 13830 only. Seeds of over 200 Cat SASE, PC, SP: o.p. veg. for cultivars of hot, sweet & home gardeners in the Northeast. ornamental peppers. PIEDMONT PLANT COMPANY RICHTER AND SONS, LTD. (Otto) PO Box 424 Box 26 Albany, GA 31703 Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0 Canada PINETREE GARDEN SEEDS *+ Cat $2.50 Can, $4 US; extensive Route 100 herb list, but also some veg and New Gloucester, ME 04260 "useful plants"; organic pest Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER controls and beneficial insects for Good seeds (many op) in small Canadian shipment only. packets at very reasonable prices; small selection of bulbs; pretty RONNINGER'S SEED POTATOES good book and tool selection. Star Route Moyie Springs, ID 83845 PORTER & SONS SEEDSMAN Box 104 SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Stephenville, TX 76401-0104 Rt. 3, Box 239 Cat $0, good veg. list adapted Decorah, Iowa 52101 to TX, lesser flower list. SEED SETS PRAIRIE STATE COMMODITIES Dept. F PO Box 6 1130 Tetherow Rd Trilla, IL 62469 Williams, OR 97544 Cat $1; ag seeds, cover crops, op field corn SEED SHOP, THE Tongue River Stage R.H. Shumway Miles City, MT 59301 SEE SHUMWAY Cat $2; cacti & succulent seed SEEDS BLUM RIPLEY'S BELIEVE IT OR NOT WORLD'S Idaho City Stage MOST UNUSUAL GARDENING CATALOG Boise, ID 83706 10 Bay St Cat $3, PC, OVER, SP: heirloom Westport, CT 06880 veg & flowers, listing over 1,000 Cat $1; giant veg & other varieties. oddities SEEDWAY, INC R.H. SHUMWAY'S Box 250 PO Box 1 Hall, NY 14463 Granitevillle, SC 29829 412-465-5685 SELECT SEEDS fax: 412-465-9893 180 Stickney Hill Seeds, including wholesale and Union, CT 06076 bulk Cat $2; heirloom orn. RAFAL SPICE CO Semenences Laval 2521 Russell St. Dept FC See: Laval Seeds Detroit, MI 48207 SHADY MUSH HERB NURSERY RAINBOW GARDENS Rt. 2 1444 E. Taylor Street Surrett Cove Td. Vista, CA 92084 Leicester, NC 28748 Cat $2; Epiphyllums and other succulents; good book list SHEPHERDS GARDEN SEEDS 30 Irene St REDWOOD CITY SEED CO. Torrington, CT 06790 PO Box 361 Redwood City, CA 94064 SHUMWAY, R.H. Cat. $1; op veg, herb, dye P.O. Box 777 plants Rockford, IL 61105 SILVER LAKE SEEDS PO Box 4118, Suite E TAYLORS HERB GARDENS INC Highland Park, NJ 08904, 1535 Lone Oak Rd Vista, CA 92083 SMITH AND HAWKEN 25 Corte Madera TERRITORIAL SEED CO Mill Valley, CA 94941 PO Box 27 415-383-2000 Lorane, OR 97451 no seeds, but bulbs, good tools, garden furbelows THOMPSON AND MORGAN Box 1308, Dept SP6 SOUTHERN EXPOSURE SEED EXCHANGE Jackson, NJ 08527 P.O. Box 158 Cat $0; amazing (by US standards) North Garden, VA 22959 selection of veg, orn., greenhouse Cat $3, deductible; heirloom species; US arm of British firm. veg and regionallyy adapted cvs. Beginners may want this catalog just to ogle, but many of the species are not for novices. SOUTHERN SEEDS P.O. Box 2091 TINMOUTH CHANNEL FARM Melbourne, FL 32902 PO Box 428B 1-800-356-1631 Tinmouth, VT 05773 Cat $1, PC, OVER, SP: o.p. veg. Cat $2 deductible; organically for tropical & subtropical areas. produced herb plants & seed Also banana corms, papaya seed & chayote squash fruits for planting. TOMATO SEED COMPANY (THE) PO Box 323 SPRING HILL Metuchen, NJ 08840 309-691-4616 110 W. Elm St. TOMATO GROWERS SUPPLY CO Tipp City, OH 45371 PO Box 2237 mostly flowers Ft Myers, FL 33902 Cat $0; tomato and pepper seed STARK BROTHERS NURSERY Louisiana, MO 63353 TRADGARDSSPECIALISTEN Traedgaardsspecialisten** STOKES SEEDS INC. *+ c/o Svenskprodukter P.O. Box 548 Box 476 Buffalo, NY 14240 S-351 06 VAEXJOE Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER SWEDEN Cat free. SP: Bulbs. SUNRISE ENTERPRISES **(ae=a with two dots above it) P.O. Box 10058 (aa=a with a ring above it ) Elmwood, CT 06110 TREGUNNO SEEDS SUTTON SEEDS 126 Catherine St North Hele Road Hamilton, Ontario L8R 1J4 Torquay CANADA Devon, TQ2 7QJ Cat $1 refundable ENGLAND Cat $0; UK equivalent of Burpees; TROPICAL SEEDS good selection of "old fashioned P.O. Box 11122 flowers" and rock garden species. Honolulu, HI 96828 Cat $1 refundable, PC, OVER. T&T SEEDS Seeds of exotic tropical flowering PO Box 1710 trees, palms, papayas, Maui onions. Winnipeg, Manitoba R3C 3P6 Also veg. cultivars developed at Canada Univ. of Hawaii. Cat $1; cvs adapted esp. for cold prairies and plains region. TSANG AND MA PO Box 24 WAUKESHA SEED CO Belmont, CA 94002 PO Box 1820 Cat $0; oriental herbs, veg, Waukesha, WI 53187 cooking supplies. Cat $0; evergreen seeds TWILLEY SEED CO. WHITE FLOWER FARM PO Box 65 Litchfield, CT 06759-0050 Trevose, PA 19047 1-800-888-7756 Cat $0; strongest in hybrid veg. Cat $0, CC, PC, SP: bulbs, seeds for every region. perennials, shrubs, trees catalogs are excellent references, good UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII SEED PROGRAM reading! Department of Horticulture 3190 Maile Way, Room 112 WILD AND CRAZY SEED CO Honolulu, HI 96822 PO Box 895 Cat $0, PC, OVER. Veg. & fruit Durango, CO 81302 cultivars developed at the Univ. of Hawaii for tropical areas. WILDFLOWER PATCH 442CJ Brookside VERMONT BEAN SEED CO. Walnut Port, PA 18088 Garden Lane Fair Haven, BT 05743 William Dam Seeds: heirloom beans, and modern hybrid See DAM veg. WYATT-QUARLES SEED CO. VESEY'S SEEDS Box 739 York P.E.I. Garner, NC 27529 Canada COA 1PO SP: SE US regional cvs. Cat $0; veg & orn for short growing seasons. YOO FARM (Dr.) PO Box 290 W WEIBULL AB College Park, MD 20740 W Weibull AB Cat $0; oriental veg. seeds and Box 520 Japanese mushroom spawn. Good S-261 24 LANDSKRONA cultural information. SWEDEN Cat 25SEK. The main gardening firm in Sweden. Allround. Colour pictures and valuable tips. W. Atlee Burpee Company SEE BURPEE'S WAYSIDE GARDENS *+ 1 Garden Lane Hodges, SC 29695-0001 1-800-845-1124 Cat $0; pricey plants, but good photos!; bulbs, perennials, shrubs, trees, roses WEEKS (CHRISTOPHER E.) PEPPERS P.O. Box 3207 Kill Devil Hills, NC 27498 Cat SASE, PC, SP: hot peppers WELL-SWEEP HERB FARM 317 Mr. Bethel Rd. Port Murray, NJ. 07865 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:37:05 EST 1994 Article: 25315 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Seed catalogs 2 Message-ID: <1994Jan13.011159.21441@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 13 Jan 94 01:11:59 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 1770 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:53:09 PDT From: Jim.Watts@EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Watts) Here is the most up to date FAQ list of catalogs that I have. It is a compilation of many sources. I have drawn from many postings and can't acknowledge all contributors. However, for those of you that recognize your contributions --- Thanks from all of us! Happy Gardening, Jim Watts ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where Applicable: Cat - Catalog CC - Credit Cards cv - cultivar(s) (=variety) heirloom -- old cultivars (varieties) Min. - Minimum Order OVER - Overseas PC - Personal Checks OC - Other Currencies op - open-pollinated (non-hybrid) orn - ornamentals R&W - retail and wholesale SASE - Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope SP: - Specialises In veg. - vegetable(s) * - good for beginning gardeners + - highly recommended for beginning gardeners, IMHO ABUNDANT LIFE SEED FOUNDATION P.O. Box 772 Townsend, WA 98368 Cat $1, R&W, Min. $10; op & heirloom veg, herbs, green manures, books; organic emphasis. A&P Orchids Peters Road Swansee, MA 02777 AGWAY, INC. 1225 Zeager Road Elisabethtown, PA 17022 Cat $0, PC/CC; A full-line farmer's co-op for seeds Ahrens Strawberry Nursery RR 1 Huntingburg IN 47542 Alberta and Market Bros. Inc 2210 S. Federal Highway Boynton Beach, FL 33435 ALBERTA NURSERIES & SEEDS, LTD. Box 20 Bowden, Alta. Canada T0M 0K0 Cat $0 in Canada, $2 US ALFREY SEEDS P.O. Box 415 Knoxville, TN 37901 Cat SASE, PC, OVER, SP: Rare and hard to find peppers, tomatoes, & okra Allen Company P.O. Box 1577 Salisbury MD 21801 ALLEN, STERLING & LOTHROP 191 US Rt 1 Falmouth, ME 04105 Usual run of veg, ann. ornamentals, foog list of cover crops, fertilizers for organic gardeners, lawn grass. Alpen Gardens 173 Lawrence Lane Kalispell MT 59901 Alpine Valley Gardens Good Recommendation for CA 2627 Calistoga Rd. Santa Rosa, CA 95404 (707) 539-1749 ALTA SEEDS P.O. Box 253 Potrero, CA 92063 Cat $2 refundable, PC/OC, OVER, SP: vegetables for home gardeners American Bamboo Co. 345 W. Second St. Dayton OH 45402 Anderson Iris Gardens 22179 Keather Ave. N Forest Lake MN 55025 Angelwood Nursery 12839 McKee School Road Woodburn OR 97071 The Angraecum House P.O. Box 976 Grass Valley CA 95945 Antique Rose Emporium Rt. 5 Box 143 Brenham, TX 77833 Phone: 409-836-9051 Anything Grows Greenhouse 1609 McKean Road Ambler PA 19002 APOTHECARY SEED COMPANY P.O. Box 1324 Battle Ground, WA 98604 Cat $0, PC, SP: rare & unusual op veg., culinary & med. herbs, scented plants & natural pest control. Appalachian Gardens P.O. Box 82 Waynesboro PA 17268 Applesource Rt. 1 Chapin IL 62628 Arbor & Espalier 201 Buena Vista Ave. E San Francisco CA 94117 ARCHIAS' SEED CO. 106 East Main Street Sedalia, MO 65301 Cat $0, R&W, PC/CC, OVER; U of Missouri vegetable cvs, including 5 cv popcorn, op corn, tomatoes. Armstrong Roses P.O. Box 1020 Somis CA 93066 B & D LILIES 330 P Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 BDK Nursery P.O. Box 628 Apopka FL 32712 Bailey's P.O. Box 654 Edmonds WA 98020 Bakker of Holland U.S. Reservation Center Louisiana MO 63353-0050 The Banana Tree 715 Northampton Street Easton, PA 18042 Telephone: 215-253-9589 Catalog price: 0.75 [1988 edition, probably a buck by now] For those gardeners able to provide the requisite well-drained soil, abundant light, high humidity, and consistent heat in the 75 deg. range, this booklet is bulging with bananas and related tropical plants. More than a score of banana trees (offered as corms) are listed. In addition, hundreds of rare seeds spill across these 20 pages: euphorbias, proteas, and yuccas, to name just a few. Descriptions are thorough and precise. Vernon Barnes and Son Nursery P.O. Box 250 McMinnville TN 37110 BAXTER (WALTER) SEED CO. P.O. Box 8175 Weslaco, TX 78596-3175 Cat $0, R&W, PC, OVER, Min. $1 Bear Creek Nursery Box 411 Northport, Wa 99157 CAT $.50 The Beall Orchid Co, 3400 Academy Dr. S.E. Auburn WA 98002 BEA'S SERVICE P.O. Box 8422 Calabasas, CA 91302 Cat $0, PC, OVER, SP: chili pepper seeds from Mexico Beersheeba Wildflower Garden P.O. Box 551 Beersheba Springs TN 37305 Belche Herb Co. P.O. Box 1305 Schenectedy NY 12301 Blue Star Lab P.O. Box 173 Williamstown NY 13493 Bluestone Perrenials 7211 Middle Ridge Road Madison OH 44057 BOJO'S GARDEN SEED P.O. Box 1408 Caldwell, ID 83606 Cat $0, RW, PC, OVER, SP: traditional op veg. seeds for the home gardener. Emphasis is on flavor. Boordy Nursery P.O. Box 38 Riderwood MD 21139 BOUNTIFUL GARDENS 5798 Ridgewood Road Wilits, CA 95490 Cat $0, RW, PC/CC, OVER, SP: op seeds. BOUNTIFUL HARVEST P.O. Box 11295 Des Moines, IA 50340-1295 Cat $1, PC/CC Breck's Good Reviews - 2 P.O. Box 1757 Bad Reviews - Peoria IL 61656 or 6523 N. Galena Rd. Peoria IL 61632 (309)691-4616 BRICKER'S ORGANIC FARMS, INC. 824-K Sandbar Ferry Road Augusta, GA 30901 Cat $0, R&W PC Lee Bristol Nursery P.O. Box 5 Gaylordville CT 06755-0005 Brittingham Plant Farms P.O. Box 2538 Salisbury MD 21801 Brookfield Nursery and Tree Plantation P.O. Box 2490 Christiansburg VA 24073 Brown's Omaha Plant Farms Inc P.O. Box 787 Omaha TX 75571 BRUDY (JOHN) EXOTICS 3411 Westfield Drive Brandon, FL 33511 Cat $2 refundable, PC, OVER, SP: seeds of exotic tropical trees & shrubs, both ornamental & edible. BURGESS SEED AND PLANT CO. 905 Four Seasons Road Bloomington, IL 61701 Cat $1, CC B & T ASSOCIATES Whitnell House Fiddington, Bridgwater Somerset TA5 1JE England, U.K. (278) 733-209 Extremely large selection of common and exotic seeds, probably the largest of its type in the world, covering well over 25,000 species. Publishes a series of lists in various categories. Catalog - 2 International Reply Coupons, will sell to overseas customers. Buckley Nursery 646 N. River Rd. Buckley WA 98321 Burnt Ridge Nursery 432 Burnt Ridge Onalaska WA 98570 W. Atlee Burpee Co. 300 Park Ave. Warminister PA 18974 One of the oldest & best known seed comp. in the US BURRELL (D.V.) SEED GROWERS CO. P.O. Box 150 Rocky Ford, CO 81067-0150 Cat $0, RW, PC, OVER Veg and flower seed; small inexpensive packets; some vars esp. for Intermountain West; melon list esp. strong. BUSSE GARDENS Rt. 2, Box 238 Cokato, MN 55321 612-286-2654 $1.00 BUTTERBROOKE FARM 78 Barry Road Oxford, CT 06483 Cat SASE, RW, PC, OVER, SP: traditional & op veg. seeds. C 'n C Protea 387 Carmen Plaza Camarillo CA 93010-6041 Cactus by Dodie 934 E, Mettler Rd. Lodi CA 95242 Cal Dixie Iris Gardens 14115 Pear St. Riverside CA 92504 Caladium World P.O. Drawer 629 Sebring FL 33871 California Nursery Co. P.O. Box 2278 Fremont CA 94536 CAMELLIA FOREST 125 Carolina Forest Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-967-5529 $1 catalog price CAPRILANDS HERB FARM 534 Silver Street Coventry, CT 06238 Cardinal Nursery Rt 1 Box 316 State Road NC 28676 Carino Nurseries P.O. Box 538 Indiana PA 15701 CARROLL GARDENS PO Box 310 Westminster, MD 21157 Carter Seeds 475 Mar Vista Drive Vista CA 92083 Cascade Forestry Service Rt. 1 Cascade IA 52033 Cedar Ridgge Nurseries Cedar Ridge Rd. Allison Park PA 15101 Chambers Nursery 26874 Ferguson Road Junction City OR 97448 CHENHALEM GARDENS P.O.Box 693 Newberg, OR 97132-0693 503-538-8920 free Chestnut Hill Nursery Inc. Route 1 Box 341 Alachua FL 32615 CHILTERN SEEDS Bortree Stile Ulverston Cumbria, LA2 7PB England Cat $?; about *5000* species, esp. European, South African, Australian wildfls. Cold Stream Farm 2030 Free Soil Rd. Free Soil MI 49411-9752 COMPANION PLANTS [CATALOG $2] 7247 North Coolville Ridge Road [Minimum Order] Athens, OH 45701 [Plants $15] (614) 592-4643 [Seeds $5] COMSTOCK, FERRE & CO P.O. Box 125 Wethersfield, CT 06109-0125 Cat $0, RW, PC/CC, OVER, Min. $15, old-fashioned flowers, veg. (established in 1820) COOK'S GARDEN (THE) P.O. Box 65 Londonderry, VT 05148 Cat $1, RW, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seeds of lettuce, salad greens & mesclun; also has some gourmet veg. seed Cordon Bleu 418 Buena Creek Rd. San Marcos, CA 92069 619-744-2810 Costal Gardens and Nursery Route 3 Box 40 Myrtle Beach SC 29577 Comstock Ferre & Co. P.O. Box 125 Wethersfield CT 06109 COTTAGE GARDEN (THE) PO Box 106 Woodstock, IL 60098 The Country Garden Route 2 Box 455A Crivitz WI 54114 Creole Orrchids P.O. Box 24458 New Orleans LA 70184-4458 CROSMAN SEED CORPORATION P.O. Box 110 East Rochester, NY 14445 Cat $0, RW, PC, Min. $3, (established in 1838); general range of seeds, most packets $0.59 THE CROWNSVILLE NURSERY P.O.Box 797 Crownsville, MD 21032 301-923-2212 $2.00 CRUICKSHANK'S INC. 1015 Mt. Pleasant Road Toronto, ONT Canada M4P 2M1 Cumberland Valley Nurseries Inc P.O. Box 471 McMinnville TN 37110-0471 CURRAN (JOHN) SPECIALTY SEED CO. 14 Cedar Ave. Manahawkin, NY 08050 Cat $1, PC/OC, OVER, SP: seed of open-pollinated traditional & heirloom veg. & culinary herbs, selected for fine flavor & resistance to drought & heat. DABNEY HERBS Box 22061 Louisville, Kentucky 40222 Dahlias by Phil Traff 1316 132nd Ave. East Sumner WA 98390 The Nursery at the Dallas Nature Center 7575 Wheatland Rd. Dallas TX 75249 Dan's Garden Shop 5821 Woodwinds Circle Frederick MD 21701 Davidson-Wilson Greenhouses Ladoga Road Route 2 Crawfordsville IN 47933 Daylilies of Tomorrow (Love that name) 1656 N 2d El Cajon, CA 619-447-4922 Daylilly World P.O. Box 1612, Sanford FL 32771 Peter De Jager Bulb Co. P.O. Box 2010 South Hamilton MA 01982 Del's Japanese Maples 4691 River Road Eugene OR 97404 De GIORGI CO. INC. 1529 North Saddle Creek Road Omaha, NE 68104 Cat $1.25, PC, OVER commercial and home grower quantities, emphasis esp. on cvs for prairie states. Strong lists for perennials, rock-garden, cabbage. DOMINION SEED HOUSE 115 Guelph St. Georgetown, Ontario CANADA L7G 4A2 Cat $0, *Canadian Orders ONLY*; good veg and flower list, many especially selected for earliness and cold-tolerance; good supply and tool list. DUTCH GARDENS INC. Good Reviews - 3 P.O. Box 200 Adelphia, NJ 07710 Phone: 908-780-2713 Fax: 908-780-7720 ECHO 17430 Durrance Road North Fort Meyers, FL 33917 Cat $1, PC, OVER, SP: seeds & plants of underexploited but important tropical foods ED HUME SEEDS PO Box 2450 Kent, WA 98032 Cat $0; veg. and orn. for cool-season growing in Pacific NW. Evergreen Y.H. Enterprises P.O. Box 17538 Anaheim, California 92817 catalog: $1 A 21-page catalog offering 16 pages of oriental vegetable varieties, gardening books, cookbooks and sauces. Each vegetable listed is accompanied by a description of its use and planting hints. An especially useful feature inside the back cover is a cross reference of oriental vegetable names. For example, the asparagus bean is also known as a yardlong bean, dow chai, dow gauk, chiang tou, kong tou, jurkusasgemae, chinese long bean, goa bean, and winged bean. Most seed packets are 0.95 with larger quantities available. FARMER SEED & NURSEY CO. * P.O. Box 129 Faribault, MN 55021 Cat $0, PC/CC/OC, OVER FIELD'S (HENRY) SEED & NURSERY *+ Good Reviews -2 Bad Reviews - 0 407 Sycamore Street Shenandoah, IA 51602 Cat $0, PC/CC; everything basic; folksy flavor. FISCHER GREENHOUSES 609-927-3399 Linwood, NJ 08221 specializing in African Violets FLOATING MOUNTAIN SEEDS P.O. Box 1275 Port Angeles, WA 98362 Cat $1.50, PC/CC, OVER. FLOWER AND HERB EXCHANGE Rt. 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 FOX HILL FARM PO Box 7 Parma, MI 49269 FOX HOLLOW HERBS P.O. Box 148 McGrann, PA 16236 FRIENDS OF THE TREES P.O. Box 1064 Tonasket, WA 98855 G. SEED CO. PO Box 72 Tonasket, WA 98855 Cat $1; op veg, herb, orn; many heirlooms. Gardens Alive Natural Gardening Research Center Highway 48, P.O.Box 149 Sunman, Indiana 47041 GARDEN CITY SEEDS * 1324 Red Crow Road Victor, MT 59875-9713 Cat $2, PC, OVER GARDEN IMPORT INC. P.O. Box 760 Thornhill, ONT L3T 4A5 Canada Cat $3, PC/CC, OVER (N.A. agents for Sutton Seeds of GB); good bulb list as well as veg, flower; some British & European cvs. GARDENS ALIVE! Natural Gardening Research Center Hwy 48, P.O. Box 149 Sunman, IN 47041 Gardens Alive! has the best selection of integrated pest management tools and organic lawn care items of any catalogue I receive. They have excellent color pictures of pests and plant diseases and how to prevent them. Gardener's Supply 128 Intervale Road Burlington, VT 05401 (802) 863-1700 GAZE SEED CO. PO Box 640 St. John's, Newfoundland A1C 5K8 CANADA Cat $0; orn, veg, lawn grasses, trees, shrubs, good selection of tools & supplies, incl. forks and hand plows. GH ALTITUDE GARDENS P.O. Box 4619 Ketchum, ID 83340 1-800-874-7333 (telephone) Cat $3, PC/CC, OVER. Regional seed company dedicated to making available seeds of veg., herbs, wild flowers & native grasses adapted to short season, high altitude climates around the world. Gilbert H. Wild and Son, Inc. 692 Joplin Street Sarcoxie, MO 64862-0338 (daylily specialists) GLECKER'S SEEDSMEN Metamora, OH 43540 Cat $0, PC, OVER, Min. $2 GOSSLER FARMS NURSERY 1200 Weaver Rd. Springfield, OR 97478-9663 503-746-3922 $1.00 GURNEY SEED & NURSEY CO. *+ 1224 Page Street Yankton, SD 57079 Cat $0, PC/CC/OC subzero roses; large stock of orn. & veg. cvs. (established in 1866) Harmony Farm Supply 3244 Gravenstein Hwy. North Sebastopol, CA 95472 or: P.O.Box 460 Graton, CA 95444 HARRIS MORAN SEED COMPANY 3670 Buffalo Road Moreton Farm Rochester, NY 14624 HARRIS SEEDS * 60 Saginaw Drive Rochester, NY 14623 Cat $0, PC/CC also lawn seeds HASTINGS - THE SOUTHERN GARDENER'S CATALOG 1036 White Street, SW PO Box 115535 Atlanta, GA 30310-8535 1-800-334-1771 (IN GA 404-755-6580) seeds, plants, water gardening, organics, gardening aids (H.G.) HASTINGS AND COMPANY Box 4274 Atlanta, GA 30302 Heirloom Gardens P.O. Box 138 Guerneville, CA 95446 They carry a "collection of old time flowers; rare, culinary and ornamental." The 27-page catalog offers a wide selection of heirloom, open pollinated vegetables. Two pages are given to flowers. Any order over $10 gets you a free packet of Jefferson Giant tomato seeds. The seed packets are all in the 0.79 - 1.09 price range. All vegetable varieties are said to be chosen for flavor. HEIRLOOM SEEDS P.O. Box 245 West Elizabeth, Pennsylvania 15088-0245 HIGH ALTITUDE GARDENS PO Box 4238 Ketchum, ID 83340 Cat $3; op veg, wildflowers, native grasses, organic fertiilizers and pest controls; wildflower seed locally collected. Strong list for Intermountain West. Henry Fields and Company SEE FIELD'S HOLLAND WILDFLOWER FARM HS Elkins, AR 72727 HORTICULTURAL ENTERPRISES (AU) P.O. Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 Cat $0, PC. Large selection of chile pepper seed SPENCER M. HOWARD ORCHID IMPORTS [CAT $.45+SASE] 11802 Huston St. [M.O. $25] North Hollywood, CA 91607 (818) 762-8275 HUDSON (J.L), SEEDSMAN P.O. Box 1058 Redwood City, CA 94064 Cat $1, PC, OVER rarities, incl. veg from Zapotec Indians of Mexico; mostly for serious, experienced gardeners ED HUME SEEDS PO Box 2450 Kent, WA 98032 Cat $0; veg. and orn. for cool-season growing in Pacific NW. INTERMOUNTAIN SEEDS P.O. Box Rexburg, ID 83440 Cat $0, PC. Veg., herb & flower seeds adapted to the cool night temperatures & short growing season of the Intermountain region Inter-State Nurseries P.O.Box 10 Louisiana, MO 63353-0010 1-800-325-4180 (central time) FAX 1-314-754-5290 ISLAND SEED MAIL ORDER PO Box 4278, Station A Victoria, BC V8X 3X8 CANADA Cat $2; good basic list for Pacific NW J.W. Jung Seed Company See Jung's JACKSON AND PERKINS Box 1028 Medford, OR 97501 mostly modern roses, a few other perennials; no seeds JOHN SCHEEPERS, INC P.O. Box 700 Bantam, CT 06750 203-567-0838 nice range of bulbs JERRY HORNE RARE PLANTS [CAT SASE] 10195 S.W. 70th St. [M.O. $10] Miami, FL 33173 (305) 270-1235 NO TELEPHONE ORDERS JOHNNY'S SELECTED SEEDS * Foss Hill Road Albion, ME 04910 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seeds for cool, short-season areas, esp. veg. JOHNSON SEED CO. 227 Ludwig Ave. Dousman, WI 53118 Cat. $0; heirloom and modern veg. seeeed. JUDE HERBS Box 563-CJ Huntington Station, NY 11746 JUNG (J.W.) SEED CO. * 335 South High Street Randolph, WI 53957 Cat $0, PC/CC KELLY NURSERIES Dansville, NY 12237 KESTER WILD GAME FOOD NURSERIES PO Box V Omro, WI 54963 Cat $2; Seeds, bulbs for species favored as food and cover by game species. KITAZAWA SEED CO. 1748 Lane Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95051 Cat $0; oriental veg and herb seeds. KRIDER NURSERIES PO Box 29 Middlebury, IN 46540 LAKELAND NURSERY SALES Unique Merchandise Mart Building 1 Hanover, PA Cat $0; An amazing exercise in off-the-wall "common names" and hype. Caution (and a large grain of salt) advised. LANDRETH SEED CO. * P.O. Box 6426 Baltimore, MD 21230 Cat $2, OVER. (established in 1784) LAMB NURSERIES E. 101 Sharp Ave. Spokane, WA 99202 509-328-7956 free LAURIE'S GARDEN 41886 McKenzie Highway Springfield, OR 97478 503-896-3756 1 stamp LAVAL SEEDS [=SEMENANCES LAVAL] 3505 Saint Martin West [=3505 Boulevard St-Martin Ouest] Ville de Laval, Que. Canada H7T 1A2 Cat. $0, good list of veg, orn, houseplant seeds. LE JARDIN DU GOURMET West Danville, VT 05873 Gourmet veg. seeds. LE MARCHE SEEDS INTERNATIONAL Box 566 Dixon, CA 95620 Gourrmet veg. seeds. LEDDEN (OROL) & SONS P.O. Box 7 Sewell, NJ 08080-0007 Cat $0, PC/CC cvs adapted for NE US; pasture, lawn, some heirlooms A.M. Leonard, Inc. P.O. Box 816 Piqua, OH 45356-0816 800-543-8955 Leonard is a supply house for professional nurseries and landscapers, so they have a wide selection of tools, though some supplies are only available in quantity. Liberty Seed Company PO Box 806 New Philadephia, OH 44663 216-364-1611 fax: 216-364-6415 interesting mix of veg and farm seeds, some flowers LOGEE'S GREENHOUSES [CAT $3] 55 North St. [Refunable] Danielson, CT 06269 [M.O. $15] (203) 774-8038 LONG ISLAND SEED COMPANY 1368 Flanders Road Flanders NY 11901 LOUISIANA NURSERY Rt. 7, Box 43 Opelousas, LA 70570 318-948-3696 $3.50 MAY (EARL) SEED & NURSERY *+ 208 North Elm Street Shenandoah, IA 51603 1-800-831-4193 (telephone) Cat $0, PC/CC old, established seed and nursery with usual range of veg, orn, trees and shrubs. McCLURE & ZIMMERMAN 108 W. Winnebago P.O. Box 368 Friesland, WI 53935 bulbs, esp. species and uncommon. McFAYDEN SEEDS PO Box 1800 Brandon, Manitoba R7A 6N4 Canada Cat $0; good selection of cvs for colder climates; also wine and beer-making supplies. Mc CRORY'S SUNNY HILL HERB FARM Star Route 3 Box 844 Eustis, FL 32726 Mellinger's, Inc. 2310 W. South Range Rd. North Lima, OH 44452-9731 1-800-321-7444 (telephone) 216-549-9861 Fax: 216-549-3716 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER nursery stock, house plants, tools, pots, soil mixes, etc.; offers small quantities of commercial growers supplies that can be otherwise difficult to find. Messelaar Bulb Co. P.O. Box 269 Ipswich, MA 01938 Meyer Seed Co. 600 South Caroline St. Baltimore, MD 21231 Cat $0, PC/CC; specializes in seed for MD, northern VA. Michigan Bulb Co. 10 Bad Reviews; 1 Good Reveiw 1950 Waldorf N.W. Grand Rapids, MI 49550 Midwest Seed Growers, Inc. 505 Walnut St. Kansas City, MO 64106 MILEAGER'S GARDENS 4838 Douglas Avenue Racine, WI 53402-2498 1-800-669-9956 bulbs J.E. Miller Nurseries, Inc. 5060 West Lake Road Canandaigua, NY 14424 Miller-Bowie County Farmers Assn. P.O. Box 1110 Texarkana, TX 75502 Mini-Roses P.O. Box 4255, Sta. A Dallas, TX 75208 Mission Bell Gardens 2778 West 5600 So. Roy, UT 84067 MOHN'S INC P.O. Box 2301 Atascadero, CA 93423 2 stamps MOON MOUNTAIN WILDFLOWERS P.O. Box 34 Morro Bay, CA 93442 Moonshine Gardens P.O. Box 1019 Clearlake Oaks, CA 95423 Moosebell Flower, Fruit & Tree Co. Rt. 1, Box 240 St. Francis, ME 04774 Mt. Leo Nursery P.O. Box 135 McMinnville, TN 37110 Mountain Mist Nursery 23561 Vaughn Rd. Veneta, OR 97487 MOUNTAIN SEED & NURSERY P.O. Box 9107 Moscow, ID Cat $1 refundable, PC/CC, OVER, SP: seeds for cold short- season areas Mountain Valley Seeds & Nursery 1798 N 1200 E. Logan, UT 84321 Mowbray Gardens 3318 Mowbray Lane Cincinnati, OH 45226 Mums by Paschke 11286 East Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 Musser Forests, Inc. P.O. Box 340 or S-91 M Indiana, PA 15710-0340 412-465-5685 fax: 412-465-9893 trees, esp. seedlings for reforestation Nationwide Seed & Supply 4801 Fegenbush Lane Louisville, KY 40228 Native Seed Foundation Star Route Moyie Springs, ID 83845 Native Seeds, Inc. 14590 Triadelphia Mill Rd. Dayton, MD 21306 NATIVE SEEDS/SEARCH 3950 W. New York Drive Tucson, AZ 85745 Cat $1; 200+ cvs of vegetable seed adapted to desert SW; organized by an ethnobotanist, so strong representation of seeds from native peoples (landraces). Strong book section. E. B. Nauman, Nurseryman 688 St. Davids Ln Schenectady NY 12309 New Mexico Desert Garden 10231 Belnap NW Albuquerque NM 87114 The New Peony Farm P.O. Box 18105 St. Paul MN 55118 New York State Fruit Testing Coop. Assn P.O. Box 462 Geneva NY 14456 Nichols Garden Nursery Inc. 1190 No. Pacific Highway Albany OR 97321 The subtitle on the front of their 72 page catalog is "herbs and rare seeds". Five pages of herb seeds and three pages of herb plants available certainly bear out the first half of this, and they do offer many rare and unusual seeds as well as hybrids, heirlooms and popular favorite open-pollinated varieties. As befits their location, they indicate which varieties do well in short and variable season areas. Other features include an oriental vegetable section, recipes scattered throughout the catalog, a "new and unusual" vegetable section, six pages of flowers and wildflowers, gardening and cooking tools, spices and herbal teas, books, and homebrew and winemaking supplies. The seed prices are in the 0.85 - 1.50 range depending of course on rarity, supply, etc. I enjoyed this catalog very much and, indeed, had an order from it ready about half an hour after I received it in the mail. NOEL'S GARDEN SEEDS R.D. #2K Oxford, NY 13830 Cat SASE, PC, SP: o.p. veg. for home gardeners in the Northeast. Nolin River Nut Tree Nursery 797 Port Wooden Rd. Upton KY 42784 Nor'East Miniature Roses 58 Hammond St. Rowley, MA 01969 North American Wildflowers 38 Hillside Ave. Atlantic Highlands NJ 07716 Northwoods Nursery 28696 S. Cramer Rd. Molalla OR 97038 (503) 651-3737 Nourse Farms Inc. RFD, Box 485 South Deerfield MA 01373 Nuccio's Nurseries P.O. Box 6160 Altadena CA 91001 Oak Hill Gardens Good recomemdation for Orchids P.O. Box 25 Dundee IL 60118-0025 (708) 428-8500 Oakes Daylillies Monday Road Rt. 4 Corryton TN 37721 615-689-3036 free Oakwood Daffodils 2330 W. Bertrand Rd. Niles MI 49120 Oikos 721 N. Fletcher Kalamazoo MI 49007-3077 OLDS SEED CO. * P.O. Box 7790 Madison, WI 53707 Cat $2.50 refundable, PC, OVER ONTARIO SEED CO, LTD Box 144 Waterloo, Ont. Canada N2J 3Z9 Orol Ledden & Sons, Inc. See: Ledden Orchids Bountiful 828 W. 3800 South Bountiful UT 84010 Orchids Royale P.O. Box 1289 Carpenteria CA 93013 Oregon Exotics 1065 Messinger Rd Grants Pass, OR 97527 Oregon Miniature Roses 8285 SW 185th Ave. Beaverton OR 97007 Orgel's Orchids 18950 S.W. 136th St., RR 2 Miami FL 33187 Richard Owen Nursery 2209 E. Oakland St. Bloomington IL 61701 Owens Orchids P.O. Box 365 Pisgah Forest NC 28768-0365 Pacific Berry Works P.O. Box 54 Bow WA 98232 PAGE SEED CO. P.O. Box 158 Greene, NY 13778 Cat $0, PC Panda Products P.O. Box 104 Fulton CA 95434 Park Seed Co. Inc. *+ P.O. Box 46 Cokesbury Roa Greenwood SC 29648-0046 Cat $0, PC/CC PEACE SEEDS 2385 S.E. Thompson St. Corvallis, OR 97333 Cat $3.50, PC/OC, OVER Peaceful Valley Farm Supply P.O.Box 2209 Grass Valley, CA 95945 Peekskill Nurseries Shrub Oak NY 10588 The Pepper Gal 10536 119th Ave. N. Largo FL 33543 Cat $0, PC Mails to US & Canada only. Seeds of over 200 cultivars of hot, sweet & ornamental peppers. Peter Pauls Nurseries RD #2 Canandaigua NY 14424 Piedmont Plant Co. P.O. Box 424 Albany GA 31703 Pinetree Garden Seeds R.R. 1, Box 397 New Gloucester ME 04260 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER Good seeds (many op) in small packets at very reasonable prices; small selection of bulbs; pretty good book and tool selection. The Plant Shop's Botanical Gardens 18007 Topham St. Reseda CA 91335 Pony Creek Nursery Tilleda WI 54978 Porter & Son P.O. Box 104 Stephensville TX 76401-0104 Cat $0, good veg. list adapted to TX, lesser flower list. POWELL'S GARDENS Rt. 3,Box 21 Princeton, NC 27569 919-936-4421 $1.50 Protea Gardens of Maui R.R. 2 Box 389 Kula, Maui, HI 96790 Quailtree Nursery 11110 Harlan Rd. Eddyville OR 97343 Quality Dutch Bulbs P.O. Box 225 Hillsdale NJ 07642 RAFAL SPICE CO 2521 Russell St. Dept FC Detroit, MI 48207 RAINBOW GARDENS 1444 E. Taylor Street Vista, CA 92084 Cat $2; Epiphyllums and other succulents; good book list Raintree Nursery 391 Butts Road Morton WA 98356 Rayner Bros. P.O. Box 1617 Salisbury MD 21801 Reasoner's P.O. Box 1881 Oneco FL 33558 REATH'S NURSERY P.O.Box 512 100 Central Boulevard Vulcan, MI 49892 $1.00 REDWOOD CITY SEED CO. PO Box 361 Redwood City, CA 94064 Cat. $1; op veg, herb, dye plants Richters Canada's Herb Specialists Box 26 Goldwood, Ontario Canada L0C 1A0 Phone: (416) 640-6677 FAX: (416) 640-6641 Cat $2.50 Can, $4 US; extensive herb list, but also some veg and "useful plants"; organic pest controls and beneficial insects for Canadian shipment only. Rider Nurseries Rt. 2 Box 90A Farmington IA 52626 Riverbend Orchids 14220 Lorraine Rd. Biloxie, MS 39532 RONNINGER'S SEED POTATOES Star Route Moyie Springs, ID 83845 The Rose Garden & Mini Rose Nursery P.O. Box 560 Cross Hill SC 29332-0560 Rosehill Farm Gregg Neck Road Dalena MD 21635 Roses By Fred Edmonds 6235 S. W. Kahle Rd. Wilsonville OR 97070 Roses of Yesterday and Today 802 Brown's Valley Road Watsonville, CA 95076 (408) 724-3537 Roswell Seed Co. P.O. Box 725 Roswell NM 88201 Rupp Seeds, Inc. 5-17919 County Road 13 Wauseon OH 45367 S&H Organic Acres P.O. Box 757, 12125 Red Hills Rd. Newburg, OR 97132 St. Lawrence Nurseries R.D. 2, Route 345, Potsdam-Madrid Rd. Potsdam NY 13676 Santa Barbara Orchid Estate 1250 Orchid Drive Santa Barbara CA 93111 Savage Farms Nursery P.O. Box 125 McMinnville TN 37110 John Scheepers Inc. 63 Wall Street New York NY 10005 S. Scherer & Sons 104 Waterside Road Northport NY 11768 Schulz Cactus Gardens 1095 Easy St. Morgan Hill CA 95037 F. W. Schumacher Co. 36 Spring Hill Road Sandwich MA 02563-1023 Sea Breeze Orchids P.O. Box 1416 Bayville NY 11709 Seagulls Landing Orchids P.O. Box 388 Glen Head NY 11545 Seedway, Inc. P.O. Box 250 Hall NY 14463-0250 SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Rt. 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 SEED SETS Dept. F 1130 Tetherow Rd Williams, OR 97544 SEEDS BLUM Idaho City Stage Boise, ID 83706 Cat $3, PC, OVER, SP: heirloom veg & flowers, listing over 1,000 varieties. SEEDWAY, INC Box 250 Hall, NY 14463 Sequoia Nursery-Moore Miniature Nurseries 2519 East Nobel Ave. Visalia CA 93277 SHADY MUSH HERB NURSERY Rt. 2 Surrett Cove Td. Leicester, NC 28748 Shanti Bithi Nursery 3047 High Ridge Road Stamford CT 06903 SHEPHERDS GARDEN SEEDS 7389 West Zayante Rd. Felton, CA 95018 SHUMWAY, R.H. P.O. Box 777 Rockford, IL 61105 R.H. SHUMWAY'S PO Box 1 Granitevillle, SC 29829 412-465-5685 fax: 412-465-9893 Seeds, including wholesale and bulk Siegers Seed Co. 245 Imlay City Rd. Imlay City MI 48444 SILVER LAKE SEEDS PO Box 4118, Suite E Highland Park, NJ 08904, Skyblue Nurseries P.O. Box 18061 St. Paul MN 55118-0061 Smith Nursery Co. P.O. Box 515 Charles City IA 50616 Smith and Hawken Bulb Book 25 Corte Madera Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-383-2000 Ask for 'Wilma Kay'for advice. No seeds, but bulbs, good tools, garden furbelows. Mostly expensive stuff for trendy gardeners, but they do have English tools. Soergel Greenhouses 2573 Brandt School Rd. Wexford PA 15090 Solomon Daylillies 105 County Club Rd. Newport News VA 23606 Sonoma Antique Apple Nursery 4395 Westside Road Healdsburg CA 95448 707-433-6420 South Florida Seed Supply 16361 Norris Road Loxahatchee FL 33470 SOUTHERN EXPOSURE SEED EXCHANGE P.O. Box 158 North Garden, VA 22959 SOUTHERN SEEDS P.O. Box 2091 Melbourne, FL 32902 1-800-356-1631 Cat $1, PC, OVER, SP: o.p. veg. for tropical & subtropical areas. Also banana corms, papaya seed & chayote squash fruits for planting. Southmeadow Fruit Gardens 15310 Red Arrow Highway Lakeside MI 49116 Specialty Seeds P.O. Box 842 Lompoc CA 93436 SPRING HILL 110 W. Elm St. Tipp City, OH 45371 309-691-4616 mostly flowers Spring Hill Nurseries Co. P.O. Box 1758 Peoria IL 61656 Square Root Nursery 4764 Deuel Rd. Canandaigua NY 14424 Squaw Mountain Gardens 36212 S.E. Squaw Mtn. Road Estacada OR 97023 Stanley & Sons Nursery, Inc. 11740 S.E. Orient Dr. Boring OR 97009 Stark Bro's Nurseries & Orchards Co. Highway 54 West Louisiana MO 63353-0010 Stocking Rose Nursery 785 N. Capitol Ave. San Jose CA 95133 Stokes Seed Co. P.O. Box 548 Buffalo NY 14240 Cat $0, PC/CC, OVER Sunnyslope Gardens 8638 Huntington Dr. San Gabriel CA 91775 SUNRISE ENTERPRISES P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110 Sunshine Caladium Farms P.O. Box 905 Sebring FL 33870 Sunswept Laboratories P.O. Box 1913 Studio City CA 91604 SUTTON SEEDS Hele Road Torquay Devon, TQ2 7QJ ENGLAND Cat $0; UK equivalent of Burpees; good selection of "old fashioned flowers" and rock garden species. T&T SEEDS PO Box 1710 Winnipeg, Manitoba R3C 3P6 Canada Cat $1; cvs adapted esp. for cold prairies and plains region. TAYLORS HERB GARDENS INC 1535 Lone Oak Rd Vista, CA 92083 Territorial Seed Co. P.O. Box 27 Lorane OR 97451 Thomasville Nurseries P.O. Box 7 Thomasville GA 31799-0007 Thompson & Morgan P.O. Box 1308 Jackson, NJ 08527 or Box 1308, Dept SP6 Jackson, NJ 08527 Cat $0; amazing (by US standards) selection of veg, orn., greenhouse species; US arm of British firm. Beginners may want the catalog just to ogle, but many of the species are not for novices. Tillinghast Seed Co. P.O. Box 738 La Conner WA 98257 TINMOUTH CHANNEL FARM PO Box 428B Tinmouth, VT 05773 Tiny Petals Nursery 489 Minot Ave Chula Vista CA 92010 Tomato Growers Supply Co. P.O. Box 2237 Fort Myers FL 33902 Remarkable variety of tomato and pepper seeds, incl. both hybrids and heirloom varieties. (185 tomato cultivars) The Tomato Seed Company, Inc. P.O. Box 323 Metuchen NJ 08840 Tradewinds Nursery P.O. Box 70 Calpella CA 95418 Trans Pacific Nursery 29870 Mill Creek Rd. Sheridan OR 97378 Transplant Nursery Parketown Road Lavonia GA 30553 Tripple Brook Farm 37 Middle Road Southampton MA 01073 Tropical Imports 43714 Road 415 Coarsegold CA 93614 TROPICAL SEEDS P.O. Box 11122 Honolulu, HI 96828 Cat $1 refundable, PC, OVER. Seeds of exotic tropical flowering trees, palms, papayas, Maui onions. Also veg. cultivars developed at Univ. of Hawaii. Tsang & Ma P.O. Box 294 Belmont CA 94002 Cat $0; oriental herbs, veg, cooking supplies. TWILLEY SEED CO. PO Box 65 Trevose, PA 19047 Cat $0; strongest in hybrid veg. seeds for every region. TyTy Plantation P.O. Box 159 TyTy, GA 31795 UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII SEED PROGRAM Department of Horticulture 3190 Maile Way, Room 112 Honolulu, HI 96822 Cat $0, PC, OVER. Veg. & fruit cultivars developed at the Univ. of Hawaii for tropical areas. Valley Creek Nursery P.O. Box 364 Three Oaks MI 49128 K. Van Bourgondien & Sons, Inc. Wholesale Qtys Good Review - 1 245 Farmingdale Rd. Bad - 2 P.O. Box A Babylon NY 11702 The phone number is 800-873-9444. Van Engelen Inc. 307 Maple St. Litchfield CT 06759 VanWell Nursery Inc. P.O. Box 1339 Wenatchee WA 98801 Veldheer Tulip Gardens 12755 Quincy St. Holland MI 49424 Vermont Bean Seed Co. Garden Lane Fair Haven VT 05743 heirloom beans, and modern hybrid veg. Vermont Wildflower Farm Route 7 Charlotte VT 05445 VESEY'S SEEDS York P.E.I. Canada COA 1PO MARY WALKER BULB CO. Box 256 Omega, GA 31775 Wavecrest Nursery & Landscaping Co. 2509 Lakeshore Dr. Fennville MI 49408 Waynesboro Nurseries P.O. Box 987, Route 664 Waynesboro VA 22980 WAYSIDE GARDENS 1 Garden Lane Hodges, SC 29695-0001 1-800-845-1124 bulbs, perennials, shrubs, trees, roses WEEKS (CHRISTOPHER E.) PEPPERS P.O. Box 3207 Kill Devil Hills, NC 27498 Cat $0, PC, SP: hot peppers WELL-SWEEP HERB FARM 317 Mr. Bethel Rd. Port Murray, NJ. 07865 Ken West Orchids P.O. Box 1332 Pahoa HI 96778 Whistling Wings Farms Inc. 427 West Street Biddeford ME 04005 WHITE FLOWER FARM Litchfield, CT 06759-0050 1-800-888-7756 Cat $5, CC, PC, SP: bulbs, perennials, shrubs, trees catalogs are excellent references, good reading! WILD AND CRAZY SEED CO PO Box 895 Durango, CO 81302 WILDFLOWER PATCH 442CJ Brookside Walnut Port, PA 18088 Gildbert H. Wild & Son Inc. P.O. Box 338 1112 Joplin St. Sarcoxie, MO 64862-0338A 417-548-3514 or 351 Wilk Orchid Specialists P.O. Box 1177 45-212 Nohonani Pl. Kaneohe HI 96744 Willhite Seed Co. P.O. Box 23 Poolville TX 76076 Nancy Wilson Species & Miniature Narcissus 571 Woodmont Ave. Berkeley CA 94708 Wilton's Organic Seed Potatoes P.O. Box 28 Aspen CO 81612 Womack Nursery Co. Rt. 1, Box 80 DeLeon TX 76444 Wright Iris Nursery 6583 Pacheco Pass Highway Gilroy CA 95020 Wyatt-Quarles Seed Co. P.O. Box 739 Garner, NC 27529 SP: SE US regional cvs. (Dr.) YOO FARM PO Box 290 College Park, MD 20740 Cat $0; oriental veg. seeds and Japanese mushroom spawn. Good cultural information. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier Thu Jan 13 09:37:08 EST 1994 Article: 25316 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!cobra.uni.edu!klier From: klier@cobra.uni.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Seed catalogs: 3 Message-ID: <1994Jan13.011236.21442@cobra.uni.edu> Date: 13 Jan 94 01:12:36 -0600 Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 1731 * Originally by Bill Smith * Originally to All * Originally dated 13 Feb 1992, 17:50 Just discovered a GREEAAT (!) specialty catalog I feel would be of interest to users of this echo. It is properly titled "1992 Garlic Catalogue & Research Catalogue" from FILAREE FARM. The address is Route 1, Box 162, Okanogan, WA. 98840. I am VERY impressed with it and wanted to inform all of its existence. Contains approx. 60 varietal descriptions with 50 more being available (upon request I suppose from a SERIOUS grower of the stuff). This is very detailed with growing instructions, classification of species, varieties, etc. It shows a breakdown of a "family tree" so to speak of the various families, species, etc. Seems pretty much a must if you're looking for a good source to order from. Don't know much about prices, but I assume they are competitive with others. They seemed reasonable to me, but I'm not much of a comparison shopper - if I see something I like I'll go ahead and get it. Typical male attitude, huh ladies ?! Cost is $3, but very much worth it. HAPPY GARLIC GROWING TO ONE & ALL !! --------*-------- Subject: Seeds of Change Organic Seeds Date: 23 Jan 92 06:16:55 GMT Just got a seed catalog in the mail today that I don't remember seeing on some of the recent lists. The company is: Seeds of Change 1364 Rufina Circle #5 Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-438-8080 They sell certified organic seeds, raised in New Mexico and Oregon, and the literature says that the varieties can be grown thoughout the U.S. There are some real unusual greens, root vegetables, grains, beans, 1 page of chiles/hot peppers, herbs, flowers, and fiber plants. (Some examples: 4 types of sorghum, 3 types of sesame, 10 varieties of quinoa) This is a very "Politically Correct" looking catalog, with recipes and articles interspersed. I've never ordered from these folks (hadn't heard of them till today) but will probably order something just to get their catalog next year. Anyone out there dealt with them? Subject: Re: Seeds of Change Organic Seeds Date: 24 Jan 92 03:49:33 GMT I purchased several packets from them through a Gardner's Supply insert (which I haven't seen in any of the GSC catalogs this year). All of the plants that I got in the ground did well. I particularly liked the Burbank slicing tomato. The funniest thing related to the "marigold" seeds. I ordered the "rare, nematocidal Mexican marigolds" that supposedly repelled soil nematodes. The ad and the packet both said (Height 6' - 9'). I assumed that that was a typo - who ever heard of 6 foot marigolds! Well I certainly can't sue them for truth in advertising. Those suckers ended up growing about 7 feet talk and effectively blocked the light for tomatoes and peppers. Next year they go in the BACK of the garden! Subject: Re: Seeds of Change Organic Seeds Date: 25 Jan 92 07:02:59 GMT Yes, my gardening colleagues and I have had very good success with those folks out in Gila. The Seeds of Change show up in your mail-box quickly and germinate with better success than any other company's. Several varieties of their lettuce are very very good (I keep giving in to temptatation, like tonite and eating my intended seed-plants). Also good are their tomatillos, mexican sunflowers, and ezapote (wormwood). From: Bob Batson Subject: Re: Maza Corn Date: 27 Jan 92 22:39:47 GMT DA> I would like to grow the kind of Corn which is ground DA> for making tortillias, maza harina, tamalies, and the DA> like. I would like the leaves which wrap the ear to DA> be large enough to wrap tamalies. Where do I find DA> seed for the traditional mexican maza corn? The type of corn that is best suited for this purpose woulds be a type called a FLOUR CORN. Kernals of flour corn are easier to grind than flint or dent corn, milling easily to a soft flour. It's grown primarily in the Southwest and the Northern Plains. It's available with kernals that are either blue/purple, multi-colored, red/pink, white, yellow, and black. I'll give you the names of the yellow varieties plus some sources. HOPI YELLOW MANDAN YELLOW PAPAGO TEXAS SHOEPEG SOURCES Abbreviation(s) CAT - catalog ABUNDANT LIFE SEED FOUNDATION CAT - $1 P.O. Box 772 Port Townsend, WA 98368 NATIVE SEEDS/SEARCH CAT - $1 2509 N. Campbell Ave. #325 Tuczon, AZ 85719 PLANTS OF THE SOUTHWEST CAT - $1 930 Baca St. Santa Fe, NM 87501 Article 4757 (13 more) in rec.gardens: From: Tom McNeal Subject: Re: Catalog addresses (was Re: Burpee address) Date: 6 Jan 92 18:03:53 GMT I got some of this from the net a while back, so it's worth publishing again. I haven't heard of 'Pepper Gal', but I recommend a magazine called 'Chile Pepper'. Good info and good receipes. Alberta Nurseries & Seeds, LTD. Box 20 Bowden, Alta. Canada TOM OKO Burgess Seed and Plant Co. 905 Four Seasons Road Bloomington, IL 61701 Burpee Seed Company 300 Park Avenue Warminster, PA 18974 D.V. Burrell Seed Company Box 150 Rocky Ford, CO 81067 Caprilands Herb Farm 534 Silver Street Coventry, CT 06238 Henry Fields and Company Box 600 Shenandoah, IA 51602 Friends of the Trees P.O. Box 1064 Tonasket, WA 98855 Gurney Seed and Nursery 110 Capital Street Yankton, SD 57079 Harris Moran Seed Company 3670 Buffalo Road Moreton Farm Rochester, NY 14624 H.G. Hastings and Company Box 4274 Atlanta, GA 30302 Heirloom Gardens Box 138 Guerneville, CA 95446 Horticultural Enterprises Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 Jackson and Perkins Box 1028 Medford, OR 97501 Johnny's Selected Seeds 310 Foss Hill Road Albion, ME 04910 J.W. Jung Seed Company 335 South High Street Randolph, WI 53957 Laval Seeds 3505 Saint Martin West Ville de Laval, Que. Candada H7T 1A2 Le Jardin du Gourmet West Danville, VT 05873 Le Marche Seeds International Box 566 Dixon, CA 95620 Orol Ledden & Sons, Inc. Center and Atlantic Avenues Sewel, NJ 08080-0007 Liberty Seed Company P.O. Box 806 New Philadelphia, OH 44663 Long Island Seed Company 1368 Flanders Road Flanders NY 11901 Earl May Seed and Nursery Company Shenandoah, IA 51603 Mc Crory's Sunny Hill Herb Farm Star Route 3 Box 844 Eustis, FL 32726 Mellinger's 2374 W. South Range Road North Lima, OH 44452 Michigan Bulb Company 1950 Waldorf, N.W. Grand Rapids, MI 49550 Moon Mountain Wildflowers P.O. Box 34 Morro Bay, CA 93442 Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 N. Pacific Highway Albany, OR 97321 Ontario Seed Co., Ltd. Box 144 Waterloo, Ont. Canada N2J 3Z9 Otis S. Twilley Seed Company, Inc. P.O. Box T65 Trevose, PA 19053 Park Seed Company Box 31 Cokesbury Road Greenwood, SC 29647-0001 Peace Seeds 1130 Tetherow Rd. Williams, OR 97554 Pinetree Garden Seeds New Gloucester, ME 04260 Porter & Sons Seedsmen Box 104 Stephenville, TX 76401-0104 Sandy Mush Herb Nursery Rt. 2 Surrett Cove Td. Leicester, NC 28748 Seed Savers Exchange Rt. 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 Seeds Blum Idaho City Stage Boise, ID 83707 Seedway, Inc. Box 250 Hall, NY 14463 Shepherds Garden Seeds 7389 West Zayante Rd. Felton, CA 95018 R.H. Shumway P.O. Box 777 Rockford, IL 61105 Southern Exposure Seed Exchage P.O. Box 158 North Garden, VA 22959 Stokes Seeds 28 Water Street Fredonia, NY 14063 Sunrise Enterprises P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110 Thompson and Morgan Box 1308, Dept SP6 Jackson, NJ 08527 Otis Twilley Seed Co. Box 65 Trevose, PA 19047 Vermont Bean Seed Company Garden Lane Fair Haven, BT 05743 Vesey's Seeds York P.E.I. Canada COA 1PO Well-Sweep Herb Farm 317 Mr. Bethel Rd. Port Murray, NJ. 07865 Wyatt-Quarles Seed Co. Box 739 Garner, NC 27529 Subject: Re: Seed Savers Exchange Date: 11 Jan 92 00:47:16 GMT The Seed Savers Exchange is a non-profit orgn which links home gardeners, farmers, scientists and other interested individuals to help preserve open-pollenated varieties of food crops (including many heirlooms). SSE is not a seed company - members share seeds by dealing directly with one another, using the SSE publications as a kind of trading post. Members are encouraged to grow out their seeds using proper seed-saving techniques, and reoffer the next generation of seeds through the program. The idea is that the more people who grow a given variety and collect seeds from it, the less likely that variety is to disappear. I could give you frightening statistics about the number of vegetable varieties that become extinct every year. I think a one-year membership is $25 for US residents, $30 for Canadians. For this you get 3 thick books, mailed separately throughout the year, filled with information about seed-saving and gardening in general. I have found these books to be amazingly informative. One of the books (usually mailed in January) contains an enormous list of the members' seed offerings. You can get a lot of varieties through SSE members which are no longer available from ANY commercial seed company, and apart from the annual membership fee, you only pay for postage. The address is: Seed Savers Exchange RR3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 May I also recommend a Canadian seed exchange which operates the same way as SSE. They also publish excellent, informative info and coordinate seed-swapping among members. Heritage Seed Program RR3, Uxbridge Ontario, Canada L9P 1R3 My info says: Canadian membership $12, fixed income $9, supporting member $20, U.S. & foreign $17. Subject: Re: Seed Savers Exchange Date: 11 Jan 92 21:02:10 GMT The Seed Savers Exchange (known hereafter as the SSE) is a not-for-profit, tax exempt, pubically supported organization. Annual membership dues are $25, $30 Canadian (or Mexican) and $40 Foreign. Lifetime membershhips are $350 (pledge payments of $30/month for a year are available). Membership is open to all. For a comprehensive brochure about the SSE, send $1.00 (US) to: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Rural Route 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 U.S. of America ALSO: For a free catalog, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to: THE PEPPER GAL 10536 119th Ave. North Largo, FL 34643 From: Kay Klier Subject: Great strange plants... Date: 27 Jan 92 23:59:42 GMT Just started to mark up my copy of the Nichol's Garden Nursery catalog (herbs and rare seed specialists) 1190 North Pacific Highway, Albany, OR, 97321. Haven't seen this catalog for years, and I guess I forgot all the lovely strange things they carry: For instance: Nepeta mussini, a low-growing rock garden catnip that my cats seem to think is the cat-equivalent of Acapulco gold. Coriander or Cilantro: a slow-bolting form Epazote: Chenopodium ambrosoides Good King Henry: Chenopodium bonus-henricus Anise hyssop: Agastache foeniculus. Licorice-scented leaves, nice blue flowers the bees love (no, you don't get licorice flavored honey). Tagetes lucida: a 3' marigold that makes a pretty good substitute for tarragon. Sweet Woodruff: for Mai-wine and potpourri Pyrethrum: grow your own. Some things I think I recall people asking about/talking about recently: Fraxinella (gas plant) Hops (for flavoring beer and ale) (yes, they are the other genus in the Cannabinaceae (or Cannabaceae, take your pick) -- anyhow, first cousin to marijuana Saffron crocus bulbs Walking onions Elephant garlic yellow potatos (bintje is great in potato salad!) yard long beans (no, green, not purple) celtuce miniature sweet corn (advise picking no more than 5 days after silks appear) jicama tomatillo 11 cvs hot pepper 12 cvs sweet pepper (incl. pepperoncini) Oddities that caught my eye: black radish (black skin, white flesh) Oregon Spring and Santiam tomatoes, two determinant types that are parthenocarpic. In poor growing conditions, fruits will be seedless. About 10 days *earlier* than Early Girl. Lion's ears (Leonotus nepetifolia): a 3-5 ft mint plant with whorls of orange flowers. The hummingbirds like this South African native. Lobelia 'Compliment Scarlet': a tetraploid cross between L. fulgens and L. cardinalis. Should be large (1-1.5") bright red flowers that hummingbirds ought to find irresistible. Chinese lantern plant (Physalis alkakengi): "husk tomatoes" with bright orange husks. Made about $100 one year selling that to florists on $1 worth of seed... Bushel gourd: a lageneria with fruits to 20" across. also LOTS of oriental veggies.... From: Kay Klier Subject: Nichol's and Liberty phone # Date: 29 Jan 92 19:11:43 GMT Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 Pacific Coast Highway Albany, OR 97321-4598 phone (503) 928-9280 fax (503) 967-8406 mainly herbs and veggies, esp. oriental veggies Seeds seem to run about $0.70-$1.50 packet, mostly around $1. Free catalog, I think. $1.25 handling charge per order. Liberty Seed PO Box 806 New Philadelphia, OH 44663 phone (216) 364-1611 fax (216) 364-6415 lots of "mainstream veggies" and a fair amount of wildflower and ornamental seeds. Interesting plants for drying. Prices about 1/2-3/4 of "rack" prices for packeted seeds (Burpee, NK, etc.) around here. Also will sell largish quantities of seed to ordinary people at wholesale prices (usually 25-50% off). (e.g., 4 oz beets $2.45, but 1 lb for $5.35) $1 handling per order east of Rockies. Add $0.20 per pound rest of Rockies. From: Kay Klier Subject: More strange plants... Date: 28 Jan 92 00:09:18 GMT 'Nother neat catalog: Liberty Seed Company, PO Box 806, New Philadephia, OH 44663. Lots of good, basic seeds, including 34 cultivars of sweet corn, and some FUN seeds like: Ornamental wheat for weaving and bouquets: black heads and black awns white heads and black awns white heads and white awns and 'Gigas': 3 1/2" heads with 1" long spikelets (HUGE!!) and grey or black awns. Podcorn: like a regular ear of field corn, but with "husks" surrounding each kernal. Broomcorn: not a corn, but a sorghum with long infloresence branches. It's the stuff real "cornbrooms" are made from. Since the tips of the inflorescences are covered with shiny yellow, red, brown, mahogany or black "seeds", they've apparently been considered decorative by the florists. Subject: Re: where are epazote seeds? Date: 11 Jan 92 00:00:26 GMT Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 North Pacific Highway Albany, Oregon 97321-4598 Plant a handful of epazote plants, and you'll never have to buy seed again. They happily reseed all over, and grow like--um, weeds. Which, if you didn't know what they were, is what you'd think of them. Mine are currently a gorgeous maroon color, tinged with scarlet, by the way. Their last gasp of the season. Subject: Re: where are epazote seeds? Date: 10 Jan 92 20:33:17 GMT SP> A recent issue of Fine Gardening contained an article about Mexican SP> culinary herbs, including catalog sources. I believe it mentioned SP> epazote. SP> I think it was the last issue (December). Epazote seed is available from the following source: HORTICULTURAL ENTERPRISE P.O. Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 While this company specializes in chilies and sweet peppers, they also sell the seeds of some Mexican herbs and vegetables. The catalog (actually a price-list) is free and they will mail seeds to Canada also. Subject: Re: slow bolting cilantro TW> I want to grow cilantro for the leaves here in southern Wisconsin. TW> Every variety I've tried goes to seed almost immediately. They're meant TW> to produce coriander I guess. There are some varieties that are meant to TW> produce leaves, but I can't find them. Any suggestions? You might try growing a variety called `Large Leaved'. It's a relatively slow flowering type which produces large quantities of young leaves for vegetable use. It's available from the following source: EVERGREEN Y.H. ENTERPRISES P.O. Box 17538 Anaheim, CA 92817 They offer a good selection of oriental vegetable seeds, over 50 varieties. Their catalog is $1.00. You could also try growing a variety of Cilantro called `Santo' (aka Slow Bolt, Long Standing, & Leafy). This is a new strain of Coriandrum sativum that produces lush vegetative growth through several cuttings and is relatively non-bolting. Although it is slow to bolt to seed, it's best to make succession plantings every few weeks to ensure a continuous harvest. "Most productive in cool weather." Some sources are: NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY Cat. - free 1190 North Pacific Hwy. Albany, OR 97321 REDWOOD CITY SEED CO. Cat. - $1.00 P.O. Box 361 Redwood City, CA 94064 SUNRISE ENTERPRISES Cat. - $1.00 P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110-0058 TERRITORIAL SEED CO. Cat. - free P.O. Box 27 Lorane, OR 97451 PS. There's a tropical plant with coriander-flavored leaves called Cilantro peperomia (Peperomia maculosa). Subject: Re: slow bolting cilantro Date: 29 Jan 92 17:37:54 GMT >I want to grow cilantro for the leaves here in southern Wisconsin. >Every variety I've tried goes to seed almost immediately. They're meant >to produce coriander I guess. There are some varieties that are meant to >produce leaves, but I can't find them. Any suggestions? I've never experienced the problem you describe, but here's what the Ortho book "All about Herbs" says about Coriander: Direct seed coriander in early spring or late summer through fall... Sowing the seeds in late spring or summer is futile because the short nights wil make plants flower and set seeds precociously, when they are tiny. Plants will withstand quite cold weather.... Subject: Suttons seed in England. Date: 11 Feb 92 18:57:53 GMT About 10 years ago I visit London and bought some interesting seeds I have never seen since. Could anoune check for the following? Tomato: "French cross" Pea: "Purple podded pea" About the same time, I also joined a meeting in Mosbach, Germany. I bought there a very good variety of Brussel sprout which I saw Thompson & Morgan offered one or two years ago, but they were out of stock when I wrote them: "Rubine" A violet/purple variety which was very frost-tolerant and gave much better taste on the sprouts. Subject: Re: Seeds missing in 1992 Thompson & Morgan catalogue Date: 8 Feb 92 22:14:06 GMT AC> To my greatest displeaure I have seen that the French climbing bean AC> Purple Podded Climbing bean has been removed from the lists. I got some sources for you out of the book _CORNUCOPIA: A Source Book of Edible Plants_ by Stephen Facciola (ISBN 0-9628087-0-9), but before I list them, here is a list of abbreviations used. CAT - Catalog CC - Credit Cards ENGL - English Language Catalog M.O. - Minimum Order OVER - Overseas PC - Personal Checks R & W - Retail and Wholesale RET - Retail AC> Could any of you check if some american seed resellers has listed this AC> bean in their catalogues? A pole bean called PURPLE POD is listed on page 9 in the 1992 catalog for: HENRY FIELD'S SEED & NURSERY CO. 407 Sycamore Street Shenandoah, IA 51602 (605) 665-9391 CAT FREE, R & W, PC/CC - - - - - - - - - - There is no listing for a bean called Purple Pod in the book _CORNUCOPIA_, but there are the following purple-podded pole snap beans: BLUE COCO, DOW PURPLE POD, LOUSIANA PURPLE POD, PURPLE PEACOCK, TRIONFO VIOLETTO, VIOLA CORNETTI, and VIOLET PODDED STRINGLESS. If you are interested in any of these pole beans, let me know my e-mail and I'll send you the appropriate address(es). AC> My mother also has for long times missed the tomato 'Tiny Tim'. Is it AC> available AC> in US? If so, which reseller do sell it abroad? The following tomato seed supplier sells to overseas customers. TOMATO SEED CO., INC. P.O. Box 323 Metuchen, NJ 08840 (201) 548-9036 CAT FREE, RET, PC, OVER - - - - - - - - - - AC> Another plant is a herb growing on Madagascar in Africa. It is the only AC> representative of the family in Africa, all others (and also the same AC> species) grows in Southern America. I have seen sometime the American AC> name, but have forgot it. In Madagascar it is called 'Anamalao'. It's AC> latin name is 'Spilanthes oleracea'. Could any of you check if some AC> seed resellers sell this spice/herb? `Spilanthes oleracea' (a.k.a. Spilanthes acmella `Oleracea') Para or Brazil cress has two sources, both in the US. PEACE SEEDS 2385 S.E. Thompson St. Corvallis, OR 97333 (503) 752-0421 CAT $3.50, R & W, PC/OC, OVER - - - - - - - - - - SEEDS OF CHANGE 621 Old Santa Fe Trail, #10 Santa Fe, NM 87501 (505) 983-8956 From: Kay Klier Subject: Cream Peas FOUND!!! Date: 17 Feb 92 01:03:02 GMT Browsing through the Park's catalog while I was home with strep throat: lo and behold, CREAM PEAS on p. 15 of the spring catalog. These are indeed what I learned to call southern peas, cowpeas or fieldpeas in agronomy classes, and they list several cultivars: 'Banquet' (p. 15) 5226-3 $1.25 pkt 1.95 4oz 3.15 8oz 'Hercules' (p. 111) 5232-6 all cultivars same price 'Mississippi Silver' (p. 111) 5224-9 'Purple Hull' (p.111) 5228-7 'California blackeye' (p.111) 5222-5 Park's Seed Cokesbury Road Greenwood SC 29647-0001 Liberty Seed Company PO Box 806 New Philadephia, OH 44663 offers 'California Blackeye #5', 'Mississipi Silver' and 'Purple Hull Pinkeye' for $0.95/pkt or 2.15 for 8 oz. Subject: Re: can you plant "food" beans Date: 18 Feb 92 01:28:51 GMT > I buy pinto beans and lima beans and lentils and etc. and was thinking > about growing some type of bean of that nature this year. I was perusing > the catalogs and said how come pinto beans cost $.40/pound to eat but $.95 > per 2 oz. to plant them. My husband said why don't we just plant some of > the ones we buy to eat. Well, that seems like a great idea, certainly a > lot cheaper than buying seeds, but I figured that was too obvious and > might not work. The reason you might pay $0.95 for bean seed is that you should be getting plants that are true to their variety, and shouldn't have seed-borne diseases (beans have several, most of which are readily apparent). If you plant the grocery store stock, they'll grow just fine, and produce, but they may not be just like the ones you planted. They may be F2 segregates of hybrid stock, or they may be accidental hybrids. If you can tolerate some strange- looking beans, go for it. Some companies also inoculate their bean seed with Rhizobium bacteria to help the plants fix nitrogen. You may want to inoculate grocery store seed with a commercial legume inocculant (Nitragin is one brand that comes to mind, but there are others). Don't bother to inoculate though, if you use nitrogen containing fertilizer on your beans anyhow. They won't fix nitorgen under those conditions. Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI Subject: Re: German Ivy Date: 16 Feb 92 21:54:47 GMT ja> Does anyone know where I can get German Ivy. I tried all the local ja> nurseries and they say that they are getting some but haven't for about ja> a year. A friend of mine love s this plant and desperatley wnats one. ja> A mail order company would be nice but anyplace is better than none. You might try the following mail-order company. IVIES OF THE WORLD P.O. Box 408 Highway 42 (2 miles East) Weirsdale, FL 32195 (904) 821-2201 or 5322 (telephone) This company's catalog is $1.50 and they have a $20 minimum order. Offers more than 200 cultivars of ivt, mainly rooted cuttings; plants are grouped by type and well described. This nursey was formerly Tropexotic Growers and before that The Alestake of Elkwood, VA. PS - They also accept telephone orders paid by credit card. This information is from _Gardening by Mail: A Source Book_ by Barbara J. Barton (ISBN 0-395-52280-3), 3rd edition. * Forwarded from "Home and Garden" * Originally dated 31 Mar 1992, 16:58 > I am in the process of starting an herb garden, and > would like addresses for companies that sell seeds or baby > plants....I am mainly interested in finding herbs other than > those commonly considered as "cooking herbs", they have been > easy to find.... I hope you can get the Herbs'n'Such echo... but if not, here are two herb sources... I haven't written to them yet, so I don't know what they offer, but I got this list from my local paper this week... WOODRUFF FARMS, RFD 2, Whitehalll, NY 12887... Flowers, vegetables and herbs; packets usually have fewer seeds than more expensive packets. SHEPHERD'S GARDEN SEEDS, 6116 Highway 9, Felton, CA 95018... Excellent herb and vegetable seeds and recipes. Since I've started, here is the rest of what was listed in the article, from Scripps News Service: COMPANIES FURNISHING MAIL-ORDER GARDEN CATALOGS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AMERICAN DAYLILY AND PERENNIALS, PO Box 7008, The Woodlands, TX 77387... A specialty grower that features day lilies, iris, and other plants that may be hard to find. BOUNTIFUL GARDENS, 5798 Ridgewood Road, Willits, CA 95490... For organic gardeners, with more than 200 varieties of open-pollinated seeds, cover crops, seed-planting guidelines and supplies. BURPEE, 300 Park Ave., Warminster, PA... Annuals, perennials, shrubs, trees, vegetables, and garden plans. CARROLL GARDENS, PO Box 310, 444 Main St., Westminster, MD 21157... Roses, shrubs, perennials, trees and vines. HARRIS SEEDS, Moreton Farm, 3670 Buffalo Road, Rochester, NY 14624... Flower and vegetable seeds, many developed by a research organization. HASTINGS, 1036 White St., SW, PO Box 115535, Atlanta, GA 30310-8535... Seedsman for the South; most vegetable and flower selections will grow in the Midwest. J.L. HUDSON, SEEDSMAN, PO Box 1058, Redwood City, CA 94064... Offers directions for hardy annuals, tender annuals, hardy perennials, biennials, hardy trees and shrubs, tropical plants and trees and palm seeds. JOHNNY'S SELECTED SEEDS, Foss Hill Road, Albion, Maine 04910-9731... Organically produced seeds. LIBERTY SEED CO., PO Box 806, New Philadelphia, OH 44663... An old, reliable firm offering many Ohio favorites. PARK SEED CO., Cokesbury Road, Greenwood, SC 29647-0001... Annuals, perennials, bulbs, trees, shrubs, vines and vegetables. PEACEFUL VALLEY FARM SUPPLY, PO Box 2209, Grass Valley, CA 95945... Supplies such as earthworm castings and cover crop seeds for organic gardens. STARK BROTHERS' NURSERIES, Louisiana, MO 63353... Specializes in fruit trees. STOKES, Box 548, Buffalo, NY 14240... Dozens of varieties of tomatos, with in-depth descriptions; also a wide range of vegetable and flower seeds. WAYSIDE GARDENS, 1 Garden Lane, Hodges, SC 29695-0001... A colorfully illustrated catalog of shrubs, vines and trees. WHITE FLOWER FARM, Litchfield, Conn., 06759-0050... Provides several colorful catalogs and updates annually, describing fine varieties of perennials and shrubs. Subject: Buena Creek Gardens Date: 6 Mar 92 17:52:35 GMT The following is the name an address of a local mail-order nursery that specializes in hybrid daylilies, irises, perennials, rare subtropicals, and drought tolerant plants. The name of the nursery is Cordon Bleu, but the mail order business in Buena Creek Gardens. Buena Creek Gardens 418 Buena Creek Rd. San Marcos, CA 92069 Steve Brigham (619)744-2810 I went by a couple of weeks ago and they have some very unusual plants. They specialize in daylilies, but there weren't too many in bloom. Most are well suited varieties for California or the south (evergreen varieties). They also had a lot of irises, many of which they claim will rebloom in our climate. They are preparing for a large iris show in April. The original property had some very unusual plants on in it (many not for sale). There were full sized specimens of unusual cacti. They also had a lot of Australian and south African plants. Lots of plants had naturalized over the years. In many of the shady areas, they had Lenten roses in bloom. Also they had a drought tolerant lily-family member plant that grows well under eucalyptus. It had pale yellow colored flower spikes and succulent looking foliage and blooms in late winter to early spring. The property next door is Judy's perennials (619-471-8850) and is set up more in an English Garden style. She keeps weird hours, so is best call before going. She carries some of the new alstroemeria hybrids and true geraniums. She also uses clear soft yellow munnemannia fumarifolia (Mexican tulip poppy) in her gardens. It is related to the native California poppy and supposed to be easy to grow from seed, but I have had no luck with it. Hopefully she will have some of these plants for sale this year. Subject: Re: edible roots Date: 12 Mar 92 23:50:37 GMT >Does anyone have the complete address. Do I need to send a SASE with >the $1? J.L. Hudson, Seedsman P.O. Box 1058 Redwood City, CA 94064 SASE not required... Hudson's catalog is too big for a standard envelope. Add an extra dollar for a one-year subscription to his rare seeds supplement... comes out 2-3 times a year, and lists seeds that have recently arrived and may not be available in large enough quantities to be listed in the main catalog. His catalog is _great_ reading... it always leaves me with a very bad case of acreage-lust (I want enough garden space to grow two of _everything_). Nice folks, too... I usually enclose a letter with my order letting them know how my previous year's plants turned out, and I've always gotten a note back in response (usually from Hudson himself). The Zapotec Collection contains some very interesting varieties... I really love the Manzano Amarillo chile (fuzzy leaves, apple-shaped green fruits turning yellow/orange when ripe, flavorful, and VERY HOT). Another interesting edible-root plant is the "Chinese Yam" or "Cinnamon vine". At least, it _sounds_ interesting... perennial, pretty much pest-free, productive, easy to grow, and the (inconspicuous) flowers smell like cinnamon. The biggest disadvantage (according to the Seeds Blum catalog) is that the tubers go _deep_ into the ground and aren't suited for mechanical harvest... you must go after them with a garden-fork. However, they can (it says here) be left in the ground indefinitely; the tubers get larger and larger but don't get tough or woody. I can't swear to any of this... mine are still at the seedling stage and I won't know until autumn whether I really like them. I got the bulblets from Seeds Blum (tried last year but they were out; they say they have a good supply this year) and I've gotten 100% of the bulblets I planted to sprout. Seeds Blum Idaho City Stage Boise, Idaho These folks get #very# badly backlogged in the spring. I usually get their catalog right around Christmas time, and I've learned to send in the order immediately... one year I waited until the end of February to order, and my seeds took over eight weeks to arrive. They're a good source of heirloom and traditional vegetable varieties... no F1 hybrids at all. Subject: Re: Parsley seeds Date: 17 Mar 92 14:10:47 GMT > I am looking for a source for parsley seeds. Please help! This year, I ordered herb seeds (Italian and "curly" parsley included) from: Pinetree Garden Seeds Lewiston Road New Gloucester, Maine 04260 You could send away for their catalog; its free. Here are some other sources: W. Atlee Burpee Co. 300 Park Ave. Warminster, PA 18974 (free catalog) Well Sweep Herb Farm 317 Mt. Bethel Road Port Murray, NJ 07868 ($1 catalog) Jude Herbs Box 563-CJ Huntington Station, NY 11746 ($1 catalog) Sandy Mush Herb Nursery Rt. 2, Sorret Cover Road Leichester, NC 28748 ($3.95 catalog) Subject: Re: edible roots--unusual beets Date: 18 Mar 92 01:53:20 GMT For unusual beets, have I got a seed catalog for you! The Cook's Garden P.O. Box 535 Londonderry, VT 05148 These guys specialize in heirloom and unusual vegetables. This year, I'm trying Chiogga, an heirloom variety that is supposed to be very sugary and have a root consisting of pink and white rings, giving a candystripe appearance. They have golden beets, carrot-rooted beets, beets grown for their tops, etc... All sorts of interesting varieties. (You should see their selection of salad greens!! Or eggplants!) Subject: Australian plants Keywords: catalogs, seeds I have recently read through a number of books which are either directly or indirectly about Australian plants. Does anyone know of seed catalogs which might specialize in the Australia/New Zealand area? I have such catalog gems as J.L.Hudson and The Banana Tree, and have ordered from them. But they only offer a smattering of goodies from down under. A summary will be posted if requested. Thanks. Subject: Re: creeping thyme source? Date: 31 Mar 92 18:48:47 GMT A good source of thymes is the nursery someone posted yesterday: Companion Plants, 7247 N. Coolville Ridge, Rd., Athens, Ohio 45701. Phone (614) 592-4043. Most of their thymes are prostrate ("creeping"). My favorite thyme is orange-balsam. It has a warm, almost nutty, citrus scent. It is one of the more upright growing thymes. Subject: Re: creeping thyme source? > Maybe I am not shopping at the right places, or getting the right > catalogues, but I have yet to find a place that sells creeping thyme > in any shape or form. If you know a source, please clue me in. Try any of the following sources. COMPANION PLANTS [CATALOG $2] 7247 North Coolville Ridge Road [MINIMUM ORDER] Athens, OH 45701 [$15 Plants] (614) 592-4643 [$5 Seeds] ----- THE SEED SOURCE [CAT $4] Rte. 68, Box 301 [M.O. $25] Tuckasegee, NC 28783 NOTE: Has seed of more than 7,000 unusual plants. Previously known as Maver Nursery. ----- WELL-SWEEP HERB FARM [CAT $2] 317 Mt. Bethel Rd. [M.O. $5] Port Murray, NJ 07865 [NO telephone orders] (201) 852-5390 --------------------------------------------------------------------- The above information is from _CORNUCOPIA: A Source Book of Edible Plants_ by Stephen Facciola (ISBN 0-9628087-0-9) BTW, you might also try: NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY INC. [CAT FREE] 1190 North Pacific Hwy. Albany, OR 97321 (503) 928-9280 Re: Fern Society, sources for fern spores. Subject: Re:Spore source wanted, also associations Date: 5 Dec 91 19:21:17 GMT >Does anyone know of a source for fern spores. Parks, etc occasionally offer >mixtures, but I want to know what is growing when something starts. >Additionally I've gotten some strange looking hybrids out of the mixture >method of growing fern. Also are there National Associations offering spore >and seed libraries for their members? If so, can anyone offer addresses/phone >numbers? You might try contacting either/or the following societies. AMERICAN FERN SOCIETY Dept. of Botany, Univ. of Vermont Burlington, VT 05405-0086 Membership does not include the more scholarly "Fmerican Fern Journal", which costs an extra $15 (plus $4 overseas). Spore exchange has fresh spore available by exchange or at nominal cost to society members. Membership is by calendar year only. Also publishes "Pteridologia" (irregular basis); write for information. Annual Dues --- $8 (in USA) -------------------------------------------------------------------- LOS ANGELES INTERNATIONAL FERN SOCIETY P.O. Box 90943 Pasadena, CA 91109-0943 Has a spore program and round-robins on various subjects. Also holds educational programs. Annual Dues --- $15 Subject: Seed Savers Exchange (was: Wish List) Date: 10 Apr 92 20:33:18 GMT I thought I should give a plug for the Seed Saver's Exchange, address Rural Route 3, Box 239, Decorah Iowa 52101. Annual membership is $25, ("optional reduced fees $20, $15") and you get a Yearbook containing members addresses and varieties of heirloom plants offered. This year they list 14,780 kinds of rare vegetables, grain, a few fruit and misc. These folks also run a 140 acre Heritage Farm, and are doing a great job of preserving a diverse gene pool - a critical endeavor which will someday be appreciated. CA Du D (me/us) are listed this year for the wonderful dry-bean variety _Tarahumara carpinteros_, a 90 day drought tolerant vigorous plant with gorgeous black and white beans (like Holsteins). email if interested... Subject: Source for camellia 'Pink Perfection' Date: 29 Apr 92 15:39:07 GMT Camellia 'Pink Perfection' is listed in the current CAMELLIA FOREST nursery catalog. CAMELLIA FOREST 125 Carolina Forest Road Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-967-5529 $1 catalog price I purchased a few plants from Camellia Forest and was very satisified with size, quality, packing etc. The camellia selection is huge. Also many unusual asian trees and shrubs. The catalog is well done and quite informative. Subject: Re: edible roots Date: 12 Mar 92 23:50:37 GMT >Does anyone have the complete address. Do I need to send a SASE with >the $1? J.L. Hudson, Seedsman P.O. Box 1058 Redwood City, CA 94064 SASE not required... Hudson's catalog is too big for a standard envelope. Add an extra dollar for a one-year subscription to his rare seeds supplement... comes out 2-3 times a year, and lists seeds that have recently arrived and may not be available in large enough quantities to be listed in the main catalog. His catalog is _great_ reading... it always leaves me with a very bad case of acreage-lust (I want enough garden space to grow two of _everything_). Nice folks, too... I usually enclose a letter with my order letting them know how my previous year's plants turned out, and I've always gotten a note back in response (usually from Hudson himself). The Zapotec Collection contains some very interesting varieties... I really love the Manzano Amarillo chile (fuzzy leaves, apple-shaped green fruits turning yellow/orange when ripe, flavorful, and VERY HOT). Another interesting edible-root plant is the "Chinese Yam" or "Cinnamon vine". At least, it _sounds_ interesting... perennial, pretty much pest-free, productive, easy to grow, and the (inconspicuous) flowers smell like cinnamon. The biggest disadvantage (according to the Seeds Blum catalog) is that the tubers go _deep_ into the ground and aren't suited for mechanical harvest... you must go after them with a garden-fork. However, they can (it says here) be left in the ground indefinitely; the tubers get larger and larger but don't get tough or woody. I can't swear to any of this... mine are still at the seedling stage and I won't know until autumn whether I really like them. I got the bulblets from Seeds Blum (tried last year but they were out; they say they have a good supply this year) and I've gotten 100% of the bulblets I planted to sprout. Seeds Blum Idaho City Stage Boise, Idaho These folks get #very# badly backlogged in the spring. I usually get their catalog right around Christmas time, and I've learned to send in the order immediately... one year I waited until the end of February to order, and my seeds took over eight weeks to arrive. They're a good source of heirloom and traditional vegetable varieties... no F1 hybrids at all. Subject: Re: creeping thyme source? Date: 31 Mar 92 18:48:47 GMT A good source of thymes is the nursery someone posted yesterday: Companion Plants, 7247 N. Coolville Ridge, Rd., Athens, Ohio 45701. Phone (614) 592-4043. Most of their thymes are prostrate ("creeping"). My favorite thyme is orange-balsam. It has a warm, almost nutty, citrus scent. It is one of the more upright growing thymes. Subject: Re: creeping thyme source? > Maybe I am not shopping at the right places, or getting the right > catalogues, but I have yet to find a place that sells creeping thyme > in any shape or form. If you know a source, please clue me in. Try any of the following sources. COMPANION PLANTS [CATALOG $2] 7247 North Coolville Ridge Road [MINIMUM ORDER] Athens, OH 45701 [$15 Plants] (614) 592-4643 [$5 Seeds] ----- THE SEED SOURCE [CAT $4] Rte. 68, Box 301 [M.O. $25] Tuckasegee, NC 28783 NOTE: Has seed of more than 7,000 unusual plants. Previously known as Maver Nursery. ----- WELL-SWEEP HERB FARM [CAT $2] 317 Mt. Bethel Rd. [M.O. $5] Port Murray, NJ 07865 [NO telephone orders] (201) 852-5390 --------------------------------------------------------------------- The above information is from _CORNUCOPIA: A Source Book of Edible Plants_ by Stephen Facciola (ISBN 0-9628087-0-9) BTW, you might also try: NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY INC. [CAT FREE] 1190 North Pacific Hwy. Albany, OR 97321 (503) 928-9280 Subject: Re: Maza Corn Date: 27 Jan 92 22:39:47 GMT DA> I would like to grow the kind of Corn which is ground DA> for making tortillias, maza harina, tamalies, and the DA> like. I would like the leaves which wrap the ear to DA> be large enough to wrap tamalies. Where do I find DA> seed for the traditional mexican maza corn? The type of corn that is best suited for this purpose woulds be a type called a FLOUR CORN. Kernals of flour corn are easier to grind than flint or dent corn, milling easily to a soft flour. It's grown primarily in the Southwest and the Northern Plains. It's available with kernals that are either blue/purple, multi-colored, red/pink, white, yellow, and black. I'll give you the names of the yellow varieties plus some sources. HOPI YELLOW MANDAN YELLOW PAPAGO TEXAS SHOEPEG SOURCES Abbreviation(s) CAT - catalog ABUNDANT LIFE SEED FOUNDATION CAT - $1 P.O. Box 772 Port Townsend, WA 98368 NATIVE SEEDS/SEARCH CAT - $1 2509 N. Campbell Ave. #325 Tuczon, AZ 85719 PLANTS OF THE SOUTHWEST CAT - $1 930 Baca St. Santa Fe, NM 87501 Subject: Re: Catalog addresses (was Re: Burpee address) Date: 6 Jan 92 18:03:53 GMT I got some of this from the net a while back, so it's worth publishing again. I haven't heard of 'Pepper Gal', but I recommend a magazine called 'Chile Pepper'. Good info and good receipes. Alberta Nurseries & Seeds, LTD. Box 20 Bowden, Alta. Canada TOM OKO Burgess Seed and Plant Co. 905 Four Seasons Road Bloomington, IL 61701 Burpee Seed Company 300 Park Avenue Warminster, PA 18974 D.V. Burrell Seed Company Box 150 Rocky Ford, CO 81067 Caprilands Herb Farm 534 Silver Street Coventry, CT 06238 Henry Fields and Company Box 600 Shenandoah, IA 51602 Friends of the Trees P.O. Box 1064 Tonasket, WA 98855 Gurney Seed and Nursery 110 Capital Street Yankton, SD 57079 Harris Moran Seed Company 3670 Buffalo Road Moreton Farm Rochester, NY 14624 H.G. Hastings and Company Box 4274 Atlanta, GA 30302 Heirloom Gardens Box 138 Guerneville, CA 95446 Horticultural Enterprises Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 Jackson and Perkins Box 1028 Medford, OR 97501 Johnny's Selected Seeds 310 Foss Hill Road Albion, ME 04910 J.W. Jung Seed Company 335 South High Street Randolph, WI 53957 Laval Seeds 3505 Saint Martin West Ville de Laval, Que. Candada H7T 1A2 Le Jardin du Gourmet West Danville, VT 05873 Le Marche Seeds International Box 566 Dixon, CA 95620 Orol Ledden & Sons, Inc. Center and Atlantic Avenues Sewel, NJ 08080-0007 Liberty Seed Company P.O. Box 806 New Philadelphia, OH 44663 Long Island Seed Company 1368 Flanders Road Flanders NY 11901 Earl May Seed and Nursery Company Shenandoah, IA 51603 Mc Crory's Sunny Hill Herb Farm Star Route 3 Box 844 Eustis, FL 32726 Mellinger's 2374 W. South Range Road North Lima, OH 44452 Michigan Bulb Company 1950 Waldorf, N.W. Grand Rapids, MI 49550 Moon Mountain Wildflowers P.O. Box 34 Morro Bay, CA 93442 Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 N. Pacific Highway Albany, OR 97321 Ontario Seed Co., Ltd. Box 144 Waterloo, Ont. Canada N2J 3Z9 Otis S. Twilley Seed Company, Inc. P.O. Box T65 Trevose, PA 19053 Park Seed Company Box 31 Cokesbury Road Greenwood, SC 29647-0001 Peace Seeds 1130 Tetherow Rd. Williams, OR 97554 Pinetree Garden Seeds New Gloucester, ME 04260 Porter & Sons Seedsmen Box 104 Stephenville, TX 76401-0104 Sandy Mush Herb Nursery Rt. 2 Surrett Cove Td. Leicester, NC 28748 Seed Savers Exchange Rt. 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 Seeds Blum Idaho City Stage Boise, ID 83707 Seedway, Inc. Box 250 Hall, NY 14463 Shepherds Garden Seeds 7389 West Zayante Rd. Felton, CA 95018 R.H. Shumway P.O. Box 777 Rockford, IL 61105 Southern Exposure Seed Exchage P.O. Box 158 North Garden, VA 22959 Stokes Seeds 28 Water Street Fredonia, NY 14063 Sunrise Enterprises P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110 Thompson and Morgan Box 1308, Dept SP6 Jackson, NJ 08527 Otis Twilley Seed Co. Box 65 Trevose, PA 19047 Vermont Bean Seed Company Garden Lane Fair Haven, BT 05743 Vesey's Seeds York P.E.I. Canada COA 1PO Well-Sweep Herb Farm 317 Mr. Bethel Rd. Port Murray, NJ. 07865 Wyatt-Quarles Seed Co. Box 739 Garner, NC 27529 Subject: Re: Seed Savers Exchange Date: 11 Jan 92 00:47:16 GMT The Seed Savers Exchange is a non-profit orgn which links home gardeners, farmers, scientists and other interested individuals to help preserve open-pollenated varieties of food crops (including many heirlooms). SSE is not a seed company - members share seeds by dealing directly with one another, using the SSE publications as a kind of trading post. Members are encouraged to grow out their seeds using proper seed-saving techniques, and reoffer the next generation of seeds through the program. The idea is that the more people who grow a given variety and collect seeds from it, the less likely that variety is to disappear. I could give you frightening statistics about the number of vegetable varieties that become extinct every year. I think a one-year membership is $25 for US residents, $30 for Canadians. For this you get 3 thick books, mailed separately throughout the year, filled with information about seed-saving and gardening in general. I have found these books to be amazingly informative. One of the books (usually mailed in January) contains an enormous list of the members' seed offerings. You can get a lot of varieties through SSE members which are no longer available from ANY commercial seed company, and apart from the annual membership fee, you only pay for postage. The address is: Seed Savers Exchange RR3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 May I also recommend a Canadian seed exchange which operates the same way as SSE. They also publish excellent, informative info and coordinate seed-swapping among members. Heritage Seed Program RR3, Uxbridge Ontario, Canada L9P 1R3 My info says: Canadian membership $12, fixed income $9, supporting member $20, U.S. & foreign $17. Subject: Re: Seed Savers Exchange Date: 11 Jan 92 21:02:10 GMT The Seed Savers Exchange (known hereafter as the SSE) is a not-for-profit, tax exempt, pubically supported organization. Annual membership dues are $25, $30 Canadian (or Mexican) and $40 Foreign. Lifetime membershhips are $350 (pledge payments of $30/month for a year are available). Membership is open to all. For a comprehensive brochure about the SSE, send $1.00 (US) to: SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE Rural Route 3, Box 239 Decorah, Iowa 52101 U.S. of America -------------------------------------- ALSO: For a free catalog, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to: THE PEPPER GAL 10536 119th Ave. North Largo, FL 34643 From: Kay Klier Subject: Great strange plants... Date: 27 Jan 92 23:59:42 GMT Just started to mark up my copy of the Nichol's Garden Nursery catalog (herbs and rare seed specialists) 1190 North Pacific Highway, Albany, OR, 97321. Haven't seen this catalog for years, and I guess I forgot all the lovely strange things they carry: For instance: Nepeta mussini, a low-growing rock garden catnip that my cats seem to think is the cat-equivalent of Acapulco gold. Coriander or Cilantro: a slow-bolting form Epazote: Chenopodium ambrosoides Good King Henry: Chenopodium bonus-henricus Anise hyssop: Agastache foeniculus. Licorice-scented leaves, nice blue flowers the bees love (no, you don't get licorice flavored honey). Tagetes lucida: a 3' marigold that makes a pretty good substitute for tarragon. Sweet Woodruff: for Mai-wine and potpourri Pyrethrum: grow your own. Some things I think I recall people asking about/talking about recently: Fraxinella (gas plant) Hops (for flavoring beer and ale) (yes, they are the other genus in the Cannabinaceae (or Cannabaceae, take your pick) -- anyhow, first cousin to marijuana Saffron crocus bulbs Walking onions Elephant garlic yellow potatos (bintje is great in potato salad!) yard long beans (no, green, not purple) celtuce miniature sweet corn (advise picking no more than 5 days after silks appear) jicama tomatillo 11 cvs hot pepper 12 cvs sweet pepper (incl. pepperoncini) Oddities that caught my eye: black radish (black skin, white flesh) Oregon Spring and Santiam tomatoes, two determinant types that are parthenocarpic. In poor growing conditions, fruits will be seedless. About 10 days *earlier* than Early Girl. Lion's ears (Leonotus nepetifolia): a 3-5 ft mint plant with whorls of orange flowers. The hummingbirds like this South African native. Lobelia 'Compliment Scarlet': a tetraploid cross between L. fulgens and L. cardinalis. Should be large (1-1.5") bright red flowers that hummingbirds ought to find irresistible. Chinese lantern plant (Physalis alkakengi): "husk tomatoes" with bright orange husks. Made about $100 one year selling that to florists on $1 worth of seed... Bushel gourd: a lageneria with fruits to 20" across. also LOTS of oriental veggies.... From: Kay Klier Subject: Nichol's and Liberty phone # Date: 29 Jan 92 19:11:43 GMT Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 Pacific Coast Highway Albany, OR 97321-4598 phone (503) 928-9280 fax (503) 967-8406 mainly herbs and veggies, esp. oriental veggies Seeds seem to run about $0.70-$1.50 packet, mostly around $1. Free catalog, I think. $1.25 handling charge per order. Liberty Seed PO Box 806 New Philadelphia, OH 44663 phone (216) 364-1611 fax (216) 364-6415 lots of "mainstream veggies" and a fair amount of wildflower and ornamental seeds. Interesting plants for drying. Prices about 1/2-3/4 of "rack" prices for packeted seeds (Burpee, NK, etc.) around here. Also will sell largish quantities of seed to ordinary people at wholesale prices (usually 25-50% off). (e.g., 4 oz beets $2.45, but 1 lb for $5.35) $1 handling per order east of Rockies. Add $0.20 per pound rest of Rockies. From: Kay Klier Subject: More strange plants... Date: 28 Jan 92 00:09:18 GMT 'Nother neat catalog: Liberty Seed Company, PO Box 806, New Philadephia, OH 44663. Lots of good, basic seeds, including 34 cultivars of sweet corn, and some FUN seeds like: Ornamental wheat for weaving and bouquets: black heads and black awns white heads and black awns white heads and white awns and 'Gigas': 3 1/2" heads with 1" long spikelets (HUGE!!) and grey or black awns. Podcorn: like a regular ear of field corn, but with "husks" surrounding each kernal. Broomcorn: not a corn, but a sorghum with long infloresence branches. It's the stuff real "cornbrooms" are made from. Since the tips of the inflorescences are covered with shiny yellow, red, brown, mahogany or black "seeds", they've apparently been considered decorative by the florists. Subject: Re: where are epazote seeds? Date: 11 Jan 92 00:00:26 GMT Nichols Garden Nursery 1190 North Pacific Highway Albany, Oregon 97321-4598 Plant a handful of epazote plants, and you'll never have to buy seed again. They happily reseed all over, and grow like--um, weeds. Which, if you didn't know what they were, is what you'd think of them. Mine are currently a gorgeous maroon color, tinged with scarlet, by the way. Their last gasp of the season. Subject: Re: where are epazote seeds? Date: 10 Jan 92 20:33:17 GMT SP> A recent issue of Fine Gardening contained an article about Mexican SP> culinary herbs, including catalog sources. I believe it mentioned SP> epazote. SP> I think it was the last issue (December). Epazote seed is available from the following source: HORTICULTURAL ENTERPRISE P.O. Box 810082 Dallas, TX 75381-0082 While this company specializes in chilies and sweet peppers, they also sell the seeds of some Mexican herbs and vegetables. The catalog (actually a price-list) is free and they will mail seeds to Canada also. Subject: Re: slow bolting cilantro TW> I want to grow cilantro for the leaves here in southern Wisconsin. TW> Every variety I've tried goes to seed almost immediately. They're meant TW> to produce coriander I guess. There are some varieties that are meant to TW> produce leaves, but I can't find them. Any suggestions? You might try growing a variety called `Large Leaved'. It's a relatively slow flowering type which produces large quantities of young leaves for vegetable use. It's available from the following source: EVERGREEN Y.H. ENTERPRISES P.O. Box 17538 Anaheim, CA 92817 They offer a good selection of oriental vegetable seeds, over 50 varieties. Their catalog is $1.00. You could also try growing a variety of Cilantro called `Santo' (aka Slow Bolt, Long Standing, & Leafy). This is a new strain of Coriandrum sativum that produces lush vegetative growth through several cuttings and is relatively non-bolting. Although it is slow to bolt to seed, it's best to make succession plantings every few weeks to ensure a continuous harvest. "Most productive in cool weather." Some sources are: NICHOLS GARDEN NURSERY Cat. - free 1190 North Pacific Hwy. Albany, OR 97321 REDWOOD CITY SEED CO. Cat. - $1.00 P.O. Box 361 Redwood City, CA 94064 SUNRISE ENTERPRISES Cat. - $1.00 P.O. Box 10058 Elmwood, CT 06110-0058 TERRITORIAL SEED CO. Cat. - free P.O. Box 27 Lorane, OR 97451 PS. There's a tropical plant with coriander-flavored leaves called Cilantro peperomia (Peperomia maculosa). Subject: Re: slow bolting cilantro Date: 29 Jan 92 17:37:54 GMT >I want to grow cilantro for the leaves here in southern Wisconsin. >Every variety I've tried goes to seed almost immediately. They're meant >to produce coriander I guess. There are some varieties that are meant to >produce leaves, but I can't find them. Any suggestions? I've never experienced the problem you describe, but here's what the Ortho book "All about Herbs" says about Coriander: Direct seed coriander in early spring or late summer through fall... Sowing the seeds in late spring or summer is futile because the short nights wil make plants flower and set seeds precociously, when they are tiny. Plants will withstand quite cold weather.... From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!charnel!rat!zeus!tuba.aix.calpoly.edu!jfong Thu Jan 13 09:37:08 EST 1994 Article: 25317 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!charnel!rat!zeus!tuba.aix.calpoly.edu!jfong From: jfong@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu (John Fong_lost soul floating in a fishbowl) Subject: Re: Da Hotta Da Betta Message-ID: <1994Jan13.074504.137851@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo References: <2ghqcnINN73t@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <1300@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 07:45:04 GMT Lines: 9 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64886 rec.gardens:25317 Someone told me of another pepper that would cause pain(or pleasure depending on your pov), Dado peppers (sp?). I've been told that it's common in the Florida. I was just curious if anyone has tried it, and how does it compare with the habanero? curious john From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!groo Thu Jan 13 09:37:09 EST 1994 Article: 25318 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!groo From: groo@netcom.com (Kiran Wagle) Subject: Re: Da Hotta Da Betta Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2gh0u1INN1me@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <2ghqcnINN73t@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <1290@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 08:55:35 GMT Lines: 14 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64897 rec.gardens:25318 leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith) writes: >I'm convinced these are the same species, with possible variations in >cultivars. (I tried to look this up in Hortus Third, but although it >lists dozens of species of, say, Salvia, its entry on Capsicum is >disappointingly short.) I thought all but a few peppers were of the same species? I think the only "difference" between Scotch Bonnets and Habs is that one has smooth pods and the other wrinkled. But my pepper references are unavailable at the moment, and our r.f.c pepper expert is AWOL. ~ Kiran From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!kelly Thu Jan 13 09:37:10 EST 1994 Article: 25319 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!kelly From: kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: OG email update Date: 13 Jan 1994 07:20:54 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2h2som$3rj@gap.cco.caltech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Remember how everyone posted saying WHY doesn't Organic Gardening magazine and Mikey McGrath get an email address...? Well I opened up my February 94 issue and there on page ten is a letter suggesting the same by Jeff Brooks (you out there?!) His answer? "NO way! I stare at those little green letters too much already (and I *really* like words on paper)." Someone tell him to get a color monitor... Kelly kelly@cco.caltech.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!inet.d48.lilly.com!coffee.d51.lilly.com!EBS Thu Jan 13 09:37:10 EST 1994 Article: 25320 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!inet.d48.lilly.com!coffee.d51.lilly.com!EBS Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Troy-Built Chipper-Vac: Opinions/comments needed Message-ID: From: EBS@LILLY.COM (Eric B. Stauffer) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 15:14:01 References: <2h02o8INN23j@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Eli Lilly and Company Nntp-Posting-Host: coffee.d51.lilly.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Lines: 29 In article <2h02o8INN23j@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) writes: >Subject: Troy-Built Chipper-Vac: Opinions/comments needed >From: dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) >Date: 12 Jan 1994 05:44:40 GMT >I'm looking for anyone who has experience with the Troy-Built Chipper-Vac. >I'm considering purchasing one for Fall leaf clean up. Any pros, cons, >likes, dislikes? All comments are appreciated.. >Thanks! My dad has the larger of the two models and loves it. I have used it a number of times and it works great. I have never used the vacuum function but he uses it every weekend in the fall. Mulches 11 bags into one. The chipper part works unbelievably. It would easily handle limbs up to 4 inches. It s pretty hug beast!! I've never used any of the cheapies so can't really compare. Cheers, Eric +---------------------------------------------------+ | Eric B. Stauffer | | Eli Lilly and Company | | Clinical Research Information Systems | | Internet: ebs@lilly.com | +---------------------------------------------------+ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news2.uunet.ca!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!mike.walker Thu Jan 13 09:37:11 EST 1994 Article: 25321 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: ARTIFICIAL LIGHT GARDENIN From: mike.walker@canrem.com (Mike Walker) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news2.uunet.ca!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!mike.walker Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.19440.4198.0N190FD4@canrem.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 00:29:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 12 Hi all; Anyone know much about indoor light gardening? (Long winters up here in Canada!) I have 2 planters with flourescents, they're doing well. Now I want to have a hanging plant in another location where a flourescent is not appropriate. Is there any other kind of lamp which will promote growth and make plants look as lush as the Plant-Gro type flourescents? Preferably a spot of narrow beam bulb? Thanx. . . Mike .... mike.walker@CANREM.COM --- * 1st 1.11 #1853 * "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!jabba.ess.harris.com!news.ess.harris.com!SU1AC!mnoeske Thu Jan 13 09:37:12 EST 1994 Article: 25322 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!jabba.ess.harris.com!news.ess.harris.com!SU1AC!mnoeske From: mnoeske@SU1AC.ess.harris.com (Mike Noeske x4143) Subject: Re: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? Message-ID: Sender: news@news.ess.harris.com (News account) Nntp-Posting-Host: su1ac.ess.harris.com Organization: Harris Corporation GCSD References: <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 12:29:16 GMT Lines: 39 In article <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu>, pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) writes: |> |> I just received a letter from the National Arbor Day Foundation |> in which they offer to send me 10 trees (spruce, maple, oak etc... 6-12 inches) |> a year subscription to their publication "Arbor Day", and a copy of |> "The Tree Book" all for a membership fee of $10. All they seem to ask |> (other than the $10) is that I be sure to plant the trees and save the Earth |> etc... THe will also use the money to educate school children on planting |> through the "Grow Your Own Tree" program. All this sounds too good to be |> true! Has anyone heard of this Foundation? (excuse my ignorance please) |> Has anyone else received/responded to this offer? How did it go? |> I think I will go for it. Oh wow! it's snowing like crazy out there! |> |> Rich I donated $10 a year ago and received 10 live oaks, all are doing fine. For this years donation I received 10 flowering dogwoods, to early to tell how they are doing. By donating you also receive a monthy or bi-monthly newsletter thats about 4-6 pages long, I find it pretty interesting. From last years catalog I ordered enough ligustrums to plant a hedge along my entire back fence. (59 cents apiece for members). All but 4 survived, 4 out of 80 isnt what I would call a bad survival rate. Also all the trees and plants they sell are garanteed to grow or they will be replaced (you pay shipping or 1/2 the price of the plant, I'm not sure as I havent tried to replace anything yet). They also give a free tree with any members order, last year was a 4 foot red maple, (granted it looked like a 4 foot stick with roots when I got it, but it is doing fine). They arnt giving maples this year and I dont remember what they are giving instead. The prices for members are very low (nothing over $7, if I remember) and the catalog has oaks, maples, pines, dogwoods, birch, willows, some ground covers, hedge plants, fruit trees (no citrus), nut trees, and all kinds of other stuff. Another thing is when ever they ask for another donation they always offer something for your money, (flowering bulbs, plants, 1/4 bushels of apples, etc...) I think its a good deal.....Mike Noeske From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!jabba.ess.harris.com!news.ess.harris.com!SU1AC!mnoeske Thu Jan 13 09:37:13 EST 1994 Article: 25323 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!jabba.ess.harris.com!news.ess.harris.com!SU1AC!mnoeske From: mnoeske@SU1AC.ess.harris.com (Mike Noeske x4143) Subject: Re: Da Hotta Da Betta Message-ID: Sender: news@news.ess.harris.com (News account) Nntp-Posting-Host: su1ac.ess.harris.com Organization: Harris Corporation GCSD References: <2ghqcnINN73t@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <1300@smith.CHI.IL.US> <1994Jan13.074504.137851@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 12:40:21 GMT Lines: 16 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64901 rec.gardens:25323 In article <1994Jan13.074504.137851@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu>, jfong@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu (John Fong_lost soul floating in a fishbowl) writes: |> |> Someone told me of another pepper that would cause pain(or pleasure |> depending on your pov), Dado peppers |> (sp?). I've been told that it's common in the Florida. |> |> I was just curious if anyone has tried it, and how does it compare |> with the habanero? |> |> curious john I got some from a guy at work, they are called datil peppers supposed to be native to the Gainsville/Jacksonville/St. Augustine area of Fla. I dont think they are as hot as the hab's but they are good. later.....Mike Noeske..... From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!mercury.arc.ab.ca!janus.arc.ab.ca!thacker Mon Jan 17 20:15:51 EST 1994 Article: 25324 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!mercury.arc.ab.ca!janus.arc.ab.ca!thacker From: thacker@janus.arc.ab.ca Subject: RE: evergreen plants for wet soil? Message-ID: <12JAN94.20341531@janus.arc.ab.ca> Sender: news@arc.ab.ca (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: janus.arc.ab.ca Organization: Alberta Research Council References: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 20:34:15 GMT Lines: 11 In a previous article, ua024@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Diane Whitehead) wrote: > >I am planting an area that is wet all year, as a nearby lake's water >drains through the property. > >All the plants that I have discovered that like these conditions die back >in the fall, so the area is pretty bleak to look at all winter. Yellow >and red stemmed dogwoods and willows do add some colour, but I'd like some >leaves too. Any ideas? (It is in zone 8, near the sea, and gets frost) Cedars. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london Mon Jan 17 20:15:52 EST 1994 Article: 25325 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: American seeds wanted for plantings at Irkutsk Botanical Garden Date: 13 Jan 1994 14:12:02 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 31 Message-ID: <2h3kri$g4e@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sunsite.unc.edu Summary: please send any e-mail replies to original poster >From vic@bogard.irkutsk.su Thu Jan 13 08:36:39 1994 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 94 15:05:52 +0800 From: "Victor Ya.Kuzevanov" To: hydro@Hawg.Stanford.EDU Subject: Look for seeds Dear friends, Subscribers of Hydroponics! May I ask you to send me small samples of different american seeds (flowers, vegetables, ornamental, tropical, etc) to be planted in Siberian region near famous Lake Baikal at the territory of Irkutsk Botanic Garden. We are going to establish new exposition of the plants from all over the world for further introduction in Siberia. Also, I'm looking for addresses of Seed Companies or persons interested in seed exchange. Thank you in advance, Victor Dr.Victor Ya.Kuzevanov, Director Botanic Garden of the Irkutsk State University Koltsov Street, 93 P.O.Box 1457, Irkutsk 664039, RUSSIA Phone: 7-(3952)-435836 Fax: 7-095-4202106(International) or 7-3952-332238(Local) Telex: 231511 PTB SU Attention IGU KUZEVANOV Email: vic@bogard.irkutsk.su From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!sernews!news Mon Jan 17 20:15:54 EST 1994 Article: 25326 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!sernews!news From: SJGALLA@STEVEG.RALEIGH.IBM.COM Subject: Re: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? Sender: news@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 13:30:36 GMT Lines: 12 Reply-To: SGALLAGHER@RTP.VNET.IBM.COM References: <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: steveg.raleigh.ibm.com Organization: LAN Interconnect Product group, RTP NC X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.00 In , mnoeske@SU1AC.ess.harris.com (Mike Noeske x4143) writes: >In article <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu>, pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) writes: >|> >|> I just received a letter from the National Arbor Day Foundation I missed the original post, did they happen to give a phone# or a mailing address? Sounds like a worthy organization. Steve Gallagher From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london Mon Jan 17 20:15:55 EST 1994 Article: 25327 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: FAQ, where are they? 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They are accesable by ftp, telnet, Gopher, WWW, WAIS & FTPMail. - For more information contact: Lawrence London london@sunSITE.unc.edu sunSITE ftp directories: /pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture /pub/academic/environment/alternative-energy/miscellaneous /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare Paul Jones Paul_Jones@unc.edu Office for Information Technology University of North Carolina Chapel, Hill, N.C. 1-919-962-9107 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!coplex!coplex!steve Mon Jan 17 20:15:56 EST 1994 Article: 25328 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens,alt.herbs.folklore Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!coplex!coplex!steve From: steve@coplex.coplex.com (Steve Hess) Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Message-ID: <1994Jan13.133230.545@coplex.com> Sender: news@coplex.com (news) Nntp-Posting-Host: coplex.coplex.com Organization: The Internet Gateway of Louisville, KY References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> <1294@smith.CHI.IL.US> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 13:32:30 GMT Lines: 11 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64908 rec.food.veg:33838 rec.gardens:25328 Remember the word folklore can encompass a large area of topics. This can include cooking, dying, medicine, etc. And cross-post to the other groups if you thing they would be of interest to others. Just my $.02 worth steve -- Stephen Hess steve@coplex.com "What I never knew, I never will forget" John Prine From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!not-for-mail Mon Jan 17 20:15:57 EST 1994 Article: 25329 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!not-for-mail From: vmchang@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Veda Chang) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Preserving sunflowers Date: 13 Jan 1994 23:51:56 +1100 Organization: University of Melbourne Lines: 11 Message-ID: <2h3g5c$7ti@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Just bought a dozen large golden sunflowers the other day.... Unfortunately, because of the seasonal hot summer weather, they wilted within a day despite the stems standing in water. Does anyone have any suggestions about how I can press/preserve the flowers? Is there a spray that I can use that could stiffen the flowers? Thanks very much. Veda. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!seven-up.East.Sun.COM!dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM!scout!barrya Mon Jan 17 20:15:59 EST 1994 Article: 25330 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!seven-up.East.Sun.COM!dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM!scout!barrya From: barrya@scout.East.Sun.COM (Barry Andreasen - Sun BOS Hardware) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Subject: Re: Fruit trees in zone 5 Date: 13 Jan 1994 15:39:42 GMT Organization: Sun Lines: 18 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2h3pvu$4rb@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> References: <1994Jan6.232333.27877@infonode.ingr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scout.east.sun.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25330 misc.rural:7449 Along this line, I am looking for a source for what I knew as 'Oregon grapes'. They are a small bush plant, usually only reaching 2-3 feet high, and in the fall produce small grape like berries. The berries are very sour to taste, but bottle up well for preserves. I saw them listed once in the Burpee catalog, but at the time I was renting so I didn't send for any, now, I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone out there help. -- ___ o /------------------------------------/ / / __ _-\ _ ~~< barry.andreasen@scout.East.Sun.COM < /--< _/ /- /- / / (*)<(*) \------------------------------------\ /___/ (_)/ / /_/ ______/ *********************************************************************** I said it, perhaps I meant it, but regardless, I speak only for myself! *********************************************************************** From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!cmcl2!admii!nvl-times!astro!bajones Mon Jan 17 20:16:01 EST 1994 Article: 25331 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!cmcl2!admii!nvl-times!astro!bajones From: bajones@astro (Ebeth Jones) Subject: Re: Dog-resistant ground cover? Message-ID: X-Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of NVL Sender: usenet@nvl.army.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.183.12.36 Reply-To: bajones@nvl.army.mil Organization: Night Vision Labs, Ft Belvoir, VA References: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 14:46:41 GMT Lines: 17 On the subject of dog resistant ground covers, my ground cover is holding up pretty well (I'm resigned to having just mud!) but I'm wondering about some plants. My new golden feels the need to pee on every shrub in my yard, so he goes around and hits the roses, azaleas, and the much-babied camellia. Is this really bad for them? I'm also worried that when the leaves get wet and freeze it will do even more damage. What if I just put plastic bags over everything until spring? Ebeth -- Elizabeth Jones E-MAIL: bajones@nvl.army.mil "A home without a cat, and a well-fed, well-petted, and properly revered cat, may be a perfect home, *perhaps*, but how can it prove its title?" Mark Twain From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.ans.net!cmcl2!admii!nvl-times!astro!bajones Mon Jan 17 20:16:02 EST 1994 Article: 25332 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.ans.net!cmcl2!admii!nvl-times!astro!bajones From: bajones@astro (Ebeth Jones) Subject: Re: Interest in review of flower garden design program? Message-ID: X-Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of NVL Sender: usenet@nvl.army.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.183.12.36 Reply-To: bajones@nvl.army.mil Organization: Night Vision Labs, Ft Belvoir, VA References: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 15:15:32 GMT Lines: 8 Count me in. -- Elizabeth Jones E-MAIL: bajones@nvl.army.mil "A home without a cat, and a well-fed, well-petted, and properly revered cat, may be a perfect home, *perhaps*, but how can it prove its title?" Mark Twain From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.mentorg.com!hpcan240.mentorg.com!wv.mentorg.com!brianb Mon Jan 17 20:16:04 EST 1994 Article: 25333 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.mentorg.com!hpcan240.mentorg.com!wv.mentorg.com!brianb From: brianb@wv.mentorg.com (Brian Bailey) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: National Arbor Day Foundation -- O.K.? Date: 13 Jan 1994 16:30:14 GMT Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h3sum$9ii@wvhpadm1.mentorg.com> References: <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: brian_bailey@mentorg.com NNTP-Posting-Host: quake.mentorg.com In article <2h0tm4$bgg@netnews.upenn.edu>, pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls) writes: |> |> I just received a letter from the National Arbor Day Foundation |> in which they offer to send me 10 trees (spruce, maple, oak etc... 6-12 inches) |> a year subscription to their publication "Arbor Day", and a copy of |> "The Tree Book" all for a membership fee of $10. All they seem to ask |> (other than the $10) is that I be sure to plant the trees and save the Earth |> etc... THe will also use the money to educate school children on planting |> through the "Grow Your Own Tree" program. All this sounds too good to be |> true! Has anyone heard of this Foundation? (excuse my ignorance please) |> Has anyone else received/responded to this offer? How did it go? |> I think I will go for it. Oh wow! it's snowing like crazy out there! |> |> Rich I have been a member now for 2 years, have received 2 lots of the 10 trees and they are doing fine. I planted them in nursery beds and expect to leave them there for another year or two yet. Their prices are reasonable for what you get, and I have had some losses, but not above what I would expect. -- Brian Bailey ================================================================================ My thoughts are sometimes my own. Other times someone says they own them, and I have no rights. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov!user Mon Jan 17 20:16:05 EST 1994 Article: 25334 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov!user From: cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Marty Zimmerman) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Swiss Chard/Kale Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 12:16:27 -0600 Organization: NASA Lewis R. C. (Analex) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov In article , karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen) wrote: > i often put greens like that in soups, especially lentil based soups. Add > the chopped stems with carrots, e.g., and the greens in the last 10-15 mins > of cooking. For some reason lentils/beans and greens are a great > combination --- lots of indian recipes for that too, come to think of it! > > Judy Karpen "pushing back the frontiers of > science...." > karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil Code 7675K, NRL, Washington DC > 20375-5352 Last summer I made a cream of Chard soup that came out great. You can pureed potatoes to act as a thickener. Having grown up on spinach pizza, I've used Chard leaves a number of times in that way. With a little care you can grill the pizza on a Weber-style covered grill, thus keeping your kitchen cool in the summer. _____________________________________________________________________________ Marty Zimmerman cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov Analex Corp. - NASA Lewis Research Center Cleveland, Ohio USA Zone 6 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov!user Mon Jan 17 20:16:07 EST 1994 Article: 25335 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov!user From: cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Marty Zimmerman) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: recomm. for bare-root ribes Followup-To: rec.gardens Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 12:21:40 -0600 Organization: NASA Lewis R. C. (Analex) Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mzimmer.lerc.nasa.gov Hi, I'm interested in obtaining some red currant and gooseberry plants. I have to go mail order since no one around here carries them. Last year I ordered one of each from Mellingers and only one survived. Since Mell. replaced the red currant with a red Wegelia that looked deader than a doornail, I want to try someone else. Any recommendations for mail order companies that do a good job with bare-root shrubs? I know Stark's, Henry Luenberg (sp?), Emlong's, Gurney's, and Field's all sell these plants. Thanks in advance, Marty _____________________________________________________________________________ Marty Zimmerman cazimme@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov Analex Corp. - NASA Lewis Research Center Cleveland, Ohio USA Zone 6 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!onyx.indstate.edu!cml.indstate.edu!libhalc Mon Jan 17 20:16:08 EST 1994 Article: 25336 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!onyx.indstate.edu!cml.indstate.edu!libhalc From: libhalc@cml.indstate.edu (Hal Cheney) Subject: Mahonia (was Re: Fruit trees in zone 5) Message-ID: Keywords: Oregon Grape Lines: 21 Sender: news@onyx.indstate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: 139.102.64.103 Organization: Indiana State University References: <1994Jan6.232333.27877@infonode.ingr.com> <2h3pvu$4rb@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 17:07:11 GMT Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25336 misc.rural:7450 In article <2h3pvu$4rb@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> barrya@scout.East.Sun. COM (Barry Andreasen - Sun BOS Hardware) writes > >Along this line, I am looking for a source for what I knew as 'Oregon >grapes'. They are a small bush plant, usually only reaching 2-3 feet >high, and in the fall produce small grape like berries. The berries >are very sour to taste, but bottle up well for preserves. I saw them >listed once in the Burpee catalog, but at the time I was renting so I >didn't send for any, now, I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone out >there help. > I believe that you are looking for a Mahonia. We bought several last fall at a local nursery--half-priced at the end of the season--at about $7.00 each. I have seen them in a catalog for $14-$15, but do not have the name of the company at hand. ------------------------------------------------- HAL CHENEY -- Indiana State University Libraries ------------------------------------------------- The comments above are mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of my institution. ================================================= From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews Mon Jan 17 20:16:09 EST 1994 Article: 25337 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews From: rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer) Subject: Re: Pressure Treated Lumber (YIKES) Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 17:46:41 GMT Distribution: na References: <2gvb3a$q0k@news.u.washington.edu> <1994Jan12.205705.28182@bnr.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: jurassic.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 23 In article <1994Jan12.205705.28182@bnr.ca> rthacker@bnr.ca (Robert Thacker) writes: >Seriously, I'm certainly no expert, but if you don't EAT the lumber, >then don't worry about it. You suck in many more horrible chemicals >every day just by breathing in your house, outside in any city, etc, etc. >Unless you're avid about living organically, then the P.T. chemicals >are well-locked into the wood for your purposes. Most avid-organics >eventually end up getting run over by buses on the way to the health store. Trey amusing. If your point is that everyone dies, then no argument. But if your point is, "Don't Worry: If It Wasn't Safe, They Wouldn't Be Selling It", then I think a lot of people (including myself) find it difficult not to be skeptical. Anyone who's regularly read a paper or watched TV news in the past 20 years can certainly name a few "Don't Worry" products that have or are wreaking ecological havoc and costing billions to clean up. DDE, PCB, dioxins; what's your favorite? Me, I'm on the (hopefully non-arsenic-laden :-) fence on this one, but I'm glad the debate is happening. -- "I feel lightheaded, Sam. I think my brain | Steve rehrauer@apollo.hp.com is out of air. But it's kind of a neat | /HP/org/chart/says/you/are/here feeling..." --Freelance Police | Massachusetts Language Lab From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Mon Jan 17 20:16:11 EST 1994 Article: 25338 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Question Medicinal herbs Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 18:30:39 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu In article tdrake@metronet.com (Theodore Drake) writes: >From: tdrake@metronet.com (Theodore Drake) >Subject: Question Medicinal herbs >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 21:29:20 GMT >I would like to find a source for medicinal herbs. Either root stock, >seeds etc. for these herbs: Astragalus, Schizandra and Echinacea. >Thanks in advance! Echinacea purpurea - purple coneflower (voted most beautiful plant with medicinal use) plants and seed are available from Prairie Nursery, Route 1, Box 365, Westfield, WI 53711. From seed it will be a couple of years before you have a root of usable size. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!hermes.louisville.edu!ulkyvx.louisville.edu!cksvih01 Mon Jan 17 20:16:12 EST 1994 Article: 25339 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!hermes.louisville.edu!ulkyvx.louisville.edu!cksvih01 From: cksvih01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Chokeberry Coddled Date: 13 Jan 94 13:43:44 EDT Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1994Jan13.134344.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu I bought my mother an out-of-season chokeberry bush for Christmas. It's maybe 2 1/2 feet tall and was planted in a relatively small container. It was frigid the entire week after Christmas so we left it indoors in a shed as we were afraid the roots might freeze if it weren't planted in the ground. I left before the weather thawed and, with one thing another, my mom didn't get around to planting it or even taking it out of the shed. This week she noticed that the buds were swelling and is afraid that she has seriously disrupted its natural cycle by leaving it indoors for so long. What should she do at this point: Plant it in the ground? Leave it indoors until after the weather moderates? Put it outside as it is? Sage advice will be most welcome. _______________________________________________________________________________ C. Kurt Svihla | | cksvih01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu | "Just another Piece of the Main." | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher Mon Jan 17 20:16:14 EST 1994 Article: 25340 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu!Fletcher From: Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Karen Fletcher) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: [Q]Optimum seed germination? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 18:54:16 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <1994Jan12.163335.57095@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: fletcher.cba.uiuc.edu In article <1994Jan12.163335.57095@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> lsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >From: lsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu >Subject: [Q]Optimum seed germination? >Date: 12 Jan 94 16:33:35 CST >With spring approaching...I'm planning on starting some seeds early indoors >as I do every year. I haven't quite figured out the optimum method however >.... >some questions: >because I don't always get great results and I don't understand why. >1.)Should I sterilize containers, e.g seed starter trays, etc? Why? >This seems to give better results. I use a dilute solution of chlorin >bleach and scrub them. By all means. Soak for about 1/2 hour, too. Leftover fungi and bacteria can make life rough on tiny seedlings. >2.)What is the best germinating medium? I use approx 1/2 sterile >peat moss and 1/2 vermiculite and prewet it before adding seeds. >Is a sterile medium better? Or should I add some root-enhancing fertilizer >to the medium (only a little)? Sterile medium is best (see above). Your mix might stay too wet and not provide enough aeration. Check out ProMix or Jiffy premixed soilless seed starting media. Seedlings don't benefit from fertilizer until they've stopped drawing on energy stored in the seed and the roots are developing. >3.)Often seeds sprout and grow for a little while, only to have their >little leaves shrivel up, and then die. Is this called damping off? >What causes this? It could also be called drying off ;-) Don't let the medium dry out. Damping off is best avoided through proper hygiene (don't forget the watering can). They could also just be suffocating in a too-wet medium. >4.)Should the medium remain moist but not wet? What is the best method >for obtaining this? Makes sure your medium is water-retentive _and_ well-aerated. Soggy medium will suffocate young roots. Bottom watering is pretty foolproof as are systems that use wicks to provide as much water as needed. >5.)Should one wait to add fertilizer until the first set of true leaves >form? Why? Yes. See above. >I am much better at this than I was years ago, but there is still room >for improvement!! I would really _love_ some help here! >Thanks everyone! >LSmith@KUHUB.cc.ukans.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson Mon Jan 17 20:16:16 EST 1994 Article: 25341 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca!herman!jlupson From: jlupson@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Janet Lupson) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Interest in review of flower garden design program? Date: 13 Jan 1994 18:49:29 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2h453p$nmn@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: herman.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Karen Fletcher (Fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : If there's enough interest, I would be happy to post a thorough review of a : new garden design program called FLOWERscape ($50). It lets you use : photographic images to design your flower garden. : ============================================================================= : Karen Fletcher fletcher@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu : University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign : Yes! I would be very interested in a review. Re: the images, does this mean you would need a scanner to get the images in? Also, can you "play" with the images (eg. pick out certain flowers from a photograph of several types). I've often thought a package that allowed scanned photos would be useful. Thanks. Jan jlupson@uoguelph.ca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news Mon Jan 17 20:16:18 EST 1994 Article: 25342 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news From: Tim Buss Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Avocado pear growing conditions Date: 13 Jan 1994 18:56:26 GMT Organization: Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h45gq$8dk@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.107.36.240 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXDate: Thu, 13 Jan 94 10:56:27 GMT It seemed a shame to keep throwing out the seeds from avocado pears so I planted a couple. They're doing really well in their pots, about 2' tall now, lots of leaves forming up the stem. Does anybody know what conditions are best for their growth? Thanks for any advice. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news Mon Jan 17 20:16:19 EST 1994 Article: 25343 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news From: Tim Buss Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Help! Heron is fishing my pond! Date: 13 Jan 1994 19:15:01 GMT Organization: Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h46jl$919@news.u.washington.edu> References: <2fv38p$ebt@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> <94Jan3.124712est.48137@neat.cs.toronto.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.107.36.240 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXDate: Thu, 13 Jan 94 11:15:02 GMT Re: Help! Heron is fishing my pond! Plastic herons might work - for a few days. Devices to frighten them off might work also -for a few days. But if you have a well stocked pond, that bird will soon overcome his fear and start fishing again. Assuming that you do not want to harm this unwelcome visitor, I recommend that you temporarily net your pond. Herons don't like getting their feet tangled up! He will eventually give up on this larder. They're after easy food! If yours is awkward, it's off to the neighbour's pond. Once he has crossed your pond off his visiting list you can remove the netting - he won't come back, he'll remember the netting!! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msc.edu!cdsmail!timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!gwv Mon Jan 17 20:16:21 EST 1994 Article: 25344 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msc.edu!cdsmail!timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!gwv From: gwv@hemlock.cray.com (George Walter VandenBerghe) Subject: Re: ARTIFICIAL LIGHT GARDENIN Message-ID: <1994Jan13.124348.12600@hemlock.cray.com> Originator: gwv@hemlock Lines: 13 Sender: gwv@hemlock (George Walter VandenBerghe) Nntp-Posting-Host: hemlock Organization: Cray Research, Inc. References: <60.19440.4198.0N190FD4@canrem.com> Date: 13 Jan 94 12:43:48 CST Several compact flourescent bulb manufacturers have come out with screw in assemblies consisting of a 15 watt bulb and a parabolic reflector. These project a fairly concentrated beam several feet. They are designed to replace 75-150 watt floodlights and the actual light intensity is close to that of a 75 watt floodlight. Having a 1 foot globe of foliage two feet from one of these is roughly equivalent to having it six inches from a two bulb 20 watt tube fixture. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.tek.com!tekgen!redredrose!sonyab Mon Jan 17 20:16:23 EST 1994 Article: 25345 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!news.tek.com!tekgen!redredrose!sonyab From: sonyab@redredrose.labs.tek.com (Sonya Babbitt) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Echinacea - growing from seed Message-ID: <4952@tekgen.bv.tek.com> Date: 13 Jan 94 19:19:44 GMT Sender: news@tekgen.bv.tek.com Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 11 Can anybody give me so help on growing echinacea. I have seeds of purpurea, and agustifolia. I have read they need stratification. Does that mean freezer or refrigeration? One source was mentioning putting the seed in sand and in the frig for 60 to 90 days. But since I have never done this before I was looking for some words from someone with experience. Thanks in advance for your help. Sonya Babbitt From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!sage.cc.purdue.edu!ritchiek Mon Jan 17 20:16:25 EST 1994 Article: 25346 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!sage.cc.purdue.edu!ritchiek From: ritchiek@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) Subject: Re: seed catalogs? Message-ID: Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <2ghfgi$d02@crl2.crl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 18:43:02 GMT Lines: 6 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.folklore.herbs:1585 rec.gardens:25346 Richters carries dried Damiana too for the person who was curious on where to get it. As an Aphrodisiac, your mileage may vary, The first time I had Damiana as a tea it gave me gas really bad so well certain things were out of the question for awhile. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!pjf Mon Jan 17 20:16:26 EST 1994 Article: 25347 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!pjf From: pjf@sei.cmu.edu (Priscilla Fowler) Subject: truck/home gardens in Hawaii? Message-ID: <1994Jan13.150730.1326@sei.cmu.edu> Sender: netnews@sei.cmu.edu (Netnews) Organization: Software Engineering Institute Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 15:07:30 EST Lines: 11 I recently went to Maui, Hawaii and once again I'm struck by the cost of food in paradise. Apparently Hawaii doesn't grow much of its own food. Can anyone comment on why this is? Also, I'm interested in what it's like to grow vegies in Hawaii: what can be grown there, and how do things like tomatoes, etc., that are seasonal in zones 5, 6, 7, grow when it's warm year round? Thanks! From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news Mon Jan 17 20:16:28 EST 1994 Article: 25348 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news From: fetzer@Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Eric Fetzer) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Cycadae (Zamia and Encephalartos) Date: 13 Jan 1994 20:26:46 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h4aq6$d5g@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2h2g03$5qp@news.iastate.edu> Reply-To: fetzer@Jpl.Nasa.Gov NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.149.11.1 My review of David Jones' "Cycads of the World" prompted some interest from Sharon Ringrose (ringrose@iastate.edu). She was concerned about growth rate and cost. I suspect most of cycads' repututation for slow growth comes from greenhouse-grown plants grown in northern Europe or the northeastern US. Jones doesn't come right out and say this, but does writes that given ideal growing conditions they will grow more quickly than even wild plants. Unfortunately, this means outside in a tropical or subtropical climate (not much of a problem for me here in S. California, but I realize this is unusual). In any case, anybody who has grown cacti is used to slow growth , and around here some of the most common ornamentals are pretty slow growing (camellias, azaleas and many palms, for example). As for cost, bring your checkbook. I've seen cycads in 5 gallon pots costing $2000, which will buy a lot of bare-root roses. A more common price might be $100 for a medium-sized plant of a more common species, and a lot less for 1 gallon plants. Even the seeds can be expensive, as one poster noted. For me, the inspiration of Jones' book was not simply to grow the plants, but also to see them in their native habitat. Sure, a $5000 Enchelartos in the back yard would be impressive, but that same money would pay for a lot of air fare to see what in ten years may be plants found only in cultivation. Eric Fetzer Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA fetzer@arp1a.jpl.nasa.gov From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!dns1.NMSU.Edu!lbrown Mon Jan 17 20:16:30 EST 1994 Article: 25350 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!dns1.NMSU.Edu!lbrown From: lbrown@opus.nmsu.edu (BROWN) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Herb group, anyone? Followup-To: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Date: 13 Jan 1994 20:42:03 GMT Organization: NMSU Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2h4bmrINNpdl@dns1.NMSU.Edu> References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> <1294@smith.CHI.IL.US> NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64968 rec.food.veg:33863 rec.gardens:25350 L.A.Z. Smith (leah@smith.CHI.IL.US) wrote: : In article <2gmqbb$c89@u.cc.utah.edu> jb6778@u.cc.utah.edu : (Jay Brummett/Computer Services SLC Public) writes: : >PS: I would like to discuss the sort of topics that you propose : >to discuss on A.H, I just think we can do so in A.F.H with out : >the hassle and bother of a new news group. I agree with this sentiment. I have too much to keep me busy without even more interesting groups being created. There is already an occassional post on herb cultivation and culinary use on a.f.h. : A.f.h. seems to oriented mainly toward the medicinal uses of herbs and : most of the people posting there seem interested in alternative medicine. : I assume this was the original intent of the group -- else why have : "folklore" in the name? As far as I can tell, many (the majority?) of the : posters on a.f.h. buy their herbs/herbal medicines in health food stores. A few do grow their own. Me for one. : However I suppose that may be a valid approach -- putting herb discussion : in a.f.h. with crossposts to other groups as appropriate. I haven't heard : from anyone on a.f.h. that they _mind_ posts on nonmedicinal uses of : herbs. : Leah Smith leah@smith.chi.il.us I certainly can't speak for anyone on a.f.h but myself but I read the group for the few posts on cultivation, creative uses, variety choices, etc, too. -- lbrown@dante.nmsu.edu "Life is a big tambourine, the more that you shake it the better it seems." Robert Plant - "Down to the Sea" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!dpc47852 Mon Jan 17 20:16:32 EST 1994 Article: 25351 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!dpc47852 From: dpc47852@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Paul Checkman) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Chocolate News Group? Date: 13 Jan 1994 21:01:54 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Message-ID: <2h4cs2$hqj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2gel25INNkqr@uwm.edu> <2gffne$71p@hub.ucsb.edu> <2gjnd2$60o@zikzak.apana.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:64972 rec.food.veg:33866 rec.gardens:25351 mrd@village.usl.com (-eww-+DeCorte M.) writes: >In article <2gjnd2$60o@zikzak.apana.org.au> audrey@zikzak.apana.org.au (Audrey Falconer) writes: > >> On a similar topic, does anyone know if anything is happening with the > >> chocolate newsgroup that someone was discussing a while back? >Chocolate! As a holder of a lifetime subscription to Chocolatier I >WANT this. I'm sure that if we have a vote that it will pass. All I >have to do is bribe all my friends with chocolate truffles to vote >yes. >-- >Michael DeCorte mrd@summit.novell.com 908-522-6287 >Unix System Laboratories >190 River Rd Room F230 >Summit, NJ 07901 Yah! Wasn't this mentioned way back when in September to push for at least an alt.chocolate newsgroup? Hey, whoever proposed this, what's the scoop? If you want me to vote in favor of it again, then here's my vote. :-Dan From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!dns1.NMSU.Edu!lbrown Mon Jan 17 20:16:34 EST 1994 Article: 25352 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!dns1.NMSU.Edu!lbrown From: lbrown@opus.nmsu.edu (BROWN) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: Re: Swiss Chard/Kale Date: 13 Jan 1994 21:00:25 GMT Organization: NMSU Lines: 26 Message-ID: <2h4cp9INNpdl@dns1.NMSU.Edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Dave Zack (zack@austin.ibm.com) wrote: : Hi All, ...Will the Chard and Kale : be able to last through the hot Texas Summer? Ooops another question, sorry. : Any and all help would be welcome. : -- : Cheers, : Dave Zack (512) 823-9558 ===> zack@oneway.austin.ibm.com : Vendor IBM Austin or zack%rugby.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com I have Swiss chard in the garden here, in Southern New Mexico. It survived 107+ temps so I think it'll do fine in Austin. It does need frequent watering during the hot part of the summer. I also find that with the long growing season, I get better harvests if I replant every 3 - 4 months. Taking just the outer leaves does make the plant last a long time but it gets unsightly after a few months of that. -- lbrown@dante.nmsu.edu "Life is a big tambourine, the more that you shake it the better it seems." Robert Plant - "Down to the Sea" From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10!tnash Mon Jan 17 20:16:35 EST 1994 Article: 25353 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens,alt.folklore.herbs Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10!tnash From: tnash@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Tracey Nash) Subject: Herbs & Herb Workshop - Canada Message-ID: <1994Jan13.205818.15130@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: na Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 20:58:18 GMT Lines: 27 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25353 alt.folklore.herbs:1587 Hi there There will be a Herbs & Herb Gardening Workshop in Ottawa, Canada, on Thursday February 24, 1994 from 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm at the W.E. Gowling Public School. The brochure reads: Learn about various herbs and how to set up a herb garden. Location: W.E. Gowling Public School 250 Anna Avenue Ottawa, Ontario. ph: 761-9529 Registration will be from January 10 on until the course begins. Cost: $2.00 Just thought this might be of interested to people in the area. cheers, Trax. -- Cheers Tracey Ottawa. Canada. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.uwp.edu!beyer Mon Jan 17 20:16:37 EST 1994 Article: 25354 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.uwp.edu!beyer From: beyer@cs.uwp.edu (Sylvia Beyer) Subject: seeds left outside Message-ID: <1994Jan13.234611.24998@cs.uwp.edu> Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 23:46:11 GMT Lines: 13 Hi, My big order of seeds arrived yesterday. The "smart" UPS person put the box in a well-hidden location so that I didn't find it till the next day. It got down to 10 degrees overnight. What do you think, will the seeds survive? Among the seeds are seeds of tropical plants and houseplant seeds. I am mostly concerned about them. Since my order was worth $150 I am quite worried. Any advice? Thanks, Sylvia -- Sylvia Beyer, Ph.D. Department of Psychology beyer@cs.uwp.edu University of Wisconsin-Parkside (414) 595-2353 Kenosha, WI 53142 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail Mon Jan 17 20:16:38 EST 1994 Article: 25355 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: jb6778@u.cc.utah.edu (Jay Brummett/Computer Services SLC Public) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,misc.rural Subject: Re: Mahonia (was Re: Fruit trees in zone 5) Followup-To: rec.gardens,misc.rural Date: 13 Jan 1994 15:25:59 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2h4hpn$4nf@u.cc.utah.edu> References: <1994Jan6.232333.27877@infonode.ingr.com> <2h3pvu$4rb@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: u.cc.utah.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:25355 misc.rural:7458 Hal Cheney (libhalc@cml.indstate.edu) wrote: : In article <2h3pvu$4rb@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> barrya@scout.East.Sun. : COM (Barry Andreasen - Sun BOS Hardware) writes : > : >Along this line, I am looking for a source for what I knew as 'Oregon : >grapes'. They are a small bush plant, usually only reaching 2-3 feet : > : I believe that you are looking for a Mahonia. We bought several last : fall at a local nursery--half-priced at the end of the season--at : about $7.00 each. I have seen them in a catalog for $14-$15, but do : not have the name of the company at hand. I agree, specifically one is Barry is looking for Mahonia repens(sp) know as creeping Oregon grape. It is a good ground cover, and is also highly praised as a medicine by Indian Medicine Men from many tribes in the areas where it grows wild. regards jay Cecala Ptehincalaska ------- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!exodus.Eng.Sun.COM!engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM!surfcity!steveb Mon Jan 17 20:16:39 EST 1994 Article: 25356 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!exodus.Eng.Sun.COM!engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM!surfcity!steveb From: steveb@surfcity (Steve Barton) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Da Hotta Da Betta Date: 13 Jan 1994 23:57:13 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2h4n4p$7um@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: surfcity.eng.sun.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:65005 rec.gardens:25356 Stephanie da Silva (arielle@netcom.com) wrote: : In article <1290@smith.CHI.IL.US> leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith) writes: : >In article sfisher@megatest.com : >(Scott Fisher) writes: : >>BTW, I recently saw Scotch Bonnets *and* habanero peppers for : >>sale next to one another. I'm convinced there is a difference; : > : >I'm convinced these are the same species, : : I think they're different peppers as well. i think you are both right. i think they are both capsicum chinense, but distinct varieties. both bell peppers and cayenne are capsicum annuum, aren't they? same species, but so what? squash peppers are another C. chinense that is similarly hot as the other two, but nothing quite duplicates that bronchial-burning, smokey-apricot, kerosene-like "hit" of the habanero. the other two burn me more forward on the lips and tongue. there's more than mere hotness going on with the hab. -steve From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!constellation!rex!mlane Mon Jan 17 20:16:40 EST 1994 Article: 25357 of rec.gardens Newsgroups: rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!constellation!rex!mlane From: mlane@rex.uokhsc.edu (Mary Lane) Subject: Re: Interest in review of flower garden design program? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 00:04:13 GMT References: Organization: Health Sciences Center, University of Oklahoma Lines: 8 Karen - I would be very interested in seeing your review of the Flowerscape design program. Hope to see it soon! Mary Lane mary-lane@uokhsc.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm Mon Jan 17 20:16:41 EST 1994 Article: 25358 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,rec.gardens Subject: Re: Edible flowers. Message-ID: <100828@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 16:25:03 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <2h15jo$qff@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Lines: 2 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.health.alternative:6036 rec.gardens:25358 And one oleander blossom can kill you. Watch out that you know what you're eating when you eat flowers. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!mailhost.interaccess.com!interaccess.com!geshaka Mon Jan 17 20:16:42 EST 1994 Article: 25359 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!mailhost.interaccess.com!interaccess.com!geshaka From: geshaka@interaccess.com (Sherman W. Hunter) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: hydroponics? Date: 14 Jan 1994 01:16:20 GMT Organization: InterAccess, Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2h4rp4$g6@mailhost.interaccess.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: home.interaccess.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] If you are interested in learning about gardening without soil (hydroponics), there is a good group discussion on the hydroponics list. Join in by sending an Email to hydro-request@hwang.stanford.edu and ask to be added to the list. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!bbeer Mon Jan 17 20:16:43 EST 1994 Article: 25360 of rec.gardens Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!bbeer From: bbeer@u.washington.edu (Bob Beer) Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: ASCLEPIADS: How to pollinate? Date: 14 Jan 1994 01:31:51 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 27 Message-ID: <2h4sm7$hok@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.w