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From: "L-Soft list server at UKCC (1.8b)" <LISTSERV@UKCC.uky.edu>
Subject:      Your message to OGL-Request@UKCC.UKY.EDU
To: london@SUNSITE.UNC.EDU
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Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:21:00

Your message to OGL-Request@UKCC.UKY.EDU has  been forwarded to the "list
owners" (the people  who manage the OGL  list). If you wanted  to reach a
human  being, you  used  the correct  procedure and  you  can ignore  the
remainder of this message.  If you were trying to send  a command for the
computer to execute, please read on.

The OGL  list is managed by  a LISTSERV server. LISTSERV  commands should
always be  sent to the  "LISTSERV" address, ie  LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU (or
LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET). LISTSERV  never tries to process  messages sent to
the OGL-Request  address; it simply forwards  them to a human  being, and
acknowledges receipt with the present message.

The "listname-Request" convention originated on  the Internet a long time
ago. At  the time, lists were  always managed manually, and  this address
was defined as an alias for the  person(s) in charge of the mailing list.
You would write to the  "listname-Request" address to ask for information
about the list, ask  to be added to the list,  make suggestions about the
contents and policy, etc. Because this  address was always a human being,
people  knew and  expected to  be  talking to  a  human being,  not to  a
computer.  Unfortunately, some  recent  list  management packages  screen
incoming  messages  to  the  "listname-Request" address  and  attempt  to
determine whether they are requests to  join or leave the list. They look
for words such as "subscribe", "add",  "leave", "off", and so on. If they
decide your message is  a request to join or leave  the list, they update
the list automatically;  otherwise, they forward the message  to the list
owners. Naturally, this means that if  you write to the list owners about
someone else's  unsuccessful attempts to  leave the list, you  stand good
chances of  being automatically removed  from the list, whereas  the list
owners will never receive your message. No one really benefits from this.
There is no  reliable mechanism to contact a human  being for assistance,
and you can never  be sure whether your request will  be interpreted as a
command or as a message to the list owners. This is why LISTSERV uses two
separate addresses, one for the people in  charge of the list and one for
the computer  that runs it.  This way you  always know what  will happen,
especially if you are writing in a language other than English.

In  any case,  if your  message was  a LISTSERV  command, you  should now
resend it  to LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU  (or LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET).  The list
owners know that  you have received this message and  may assume that you
will resend the  command on your own. You will  find instructions for the
most common administrative requests below.

*********************
* TO LEAVE THE LIST *
*********************

Write to LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU (or LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET) and, in the text
of your message (not the subject line), write: SIGNOFF OGL

********************
* TO JOIN THE LIST *
********************

Write to LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU (or LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET) and, in the text
of your message (not the subject line), write: SUBSCRIBE OGL

************************
* FOR MORE INFORMATION *
************************

Write to LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU (or LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET) and, in the text
of your message (not the subject  line), write: "HELP" or "INFO" (without
the quotes). HELP will  give you a short help message and  INFO a list of
the documents you can order.

From LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU  Mon Feb 12 01:53:20 1996
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From: "L-Soft list server at UKCC (1.8b)" <LISTSERV@UKCC.uky.edu>
Subject:      Command confirmation request (526E06)
To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@CALYPSO-2.OIT.UNC.EDU>
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Your command:

                     SUBSCRIBE OGL Lawrence F. London, Jr.

has been received.  You must now reply to this  message (as explained below)
to complete your subscription. The purpose of this confirmation procedure is
to check  that the address  LISTSERV is  about to add  to the list  for your
subscription is reachable. This is a typical procedure for high-volume lists
and all new subscribers are subjected to it - you are not being singled out.
Every effort has been made to  make this verification as simple and painless
as possible. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

With most  mail programs, you  can confirm the  command by simply  using the
"reply"  function, without  including  the original  text,  and typing  "ok"
(without the quotes) as the text of  your message. Just "ok" - do not retype
the command  or anything else.  If this does not  work, you will  receive an
error  message. In  this  case, send  "ok 526E06"  instead,  using the  same
procedure with which you  sent the command you are now  asked to confirm. In
other words, with most mail programs you will only need to type "ok", but if
you are unlucky you may have to retype the confirmation code as well.

Finally, your command will be automatically  cancelled if you do not confirm
it within 48h. After  that time, you must start over  and resend the command
to get a new  confirmation code. If necessary, wait until  you know you will
be able  to reply  in time. If  on the  other hand you  change your  mind or
realize you made  a mistake when typing  the command, you do not  need to do
anything  - it  will expire  on its  own  in 48h  and, if  you discard  this
message, there is no risk of confirming it by accident.

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From: "L-Soft list server at UKCC (1.8b)" <LISTSERV@UKCC.uky.edu>
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> ok
Confirming:
> SUBSCRIBE OGL Lawrence F. London, Jr.
You have been added to the OGL list.

Summary of resource utilization
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From owner-OGL@UKCC.UKY.EDU  Mon Feb 12 01:54:58 1996
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From: "L-Soft list server at UKCC (1.8b)" <LISTSERV@UKCC.uky.edu>
Subject:      You are now subscribed to the OGL list
To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@CALYPSO-2.OIT.UNC.EDU>
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Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:53:43

Your subscription to the OGL list (Organic Gardening Discussion List) has
been accepted.

Please save this message for future  reference, especially if you are not
familiar with LISTSERV.  This might look like a waste  of disk space now,
but in  6 months  you will be  glad you saved  this information  when you
realize that  you cannot remember what  are the lists you  are subscribed
to, or  what is the command  to leave the  list to avoid filling  up your
mailbox while you are on vacations. In fact, you should create a new mail
folder for subscription confirmation messages  like this one, and for the
"welcome  messages"  from the  list  owners  that you  will  occasionally
receive after subscribing to a new list.

To send  a message to  all the people  currently subscribed to  the list,
just send mail  to OGL@UKCC.UKY.EDU. This is called "sending  mail to the
list",  because you  send mail  to a  single address  and LISTSERV  makes
copies   for  all   the  people   who  have   subscribed.  This   address
(OGL@UKCC.UKY.EDU) is also called the  "list address". You must never try
to send any  command to that address,  as it would be  distributed to all
the  people  who have  subscribed.  All  commands  must  be sent  to  the
"LISTSERV address",  LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU (or  LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET). It
is  very important  to understand  the  difference between  the two,  but
fortunately it  is not complicated.  The LISTSERV  address is like  a FAX
number, and  the list address  is like a normal  phone line. If  you make
your FAX  call someone's regular phone  number by mistake, it  will be an
unpleasant experience for him but you  will probably be excused the first
time. If  you do it  regularly, however, he  will probably get  upset and
send you a nasty  complaint. It is the same with  mailing lists, with the
difference that  you are calling hundreds  or thousands of people  at the
same time, so a lot more people get annoyed if you use the wrong number.

You may leave the list at any  time by sending a "SIGNOFF OGL" command to
LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU  (or  LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET).   You  can  also  tell
LISTSERV how you want  it to confirm the receipt of  messages you send to
the list. If you do not trust  the system, send a "SET OGL REPRO" command
and LISTSERV will send  you a copy of your own messages,  so that you can
see that the message was distributed and  did not get damaged on the way.
After a while  you may find that this is  getting annoying, especially if
your mail program does not tell you  that the message is from you when it
informs you that  new mail has arrived  from OGL. If you send  a "SET OGL
ACK  NOREPRO" command,  LISTSERV will  mail you  a short  acknowledgement
instead, which will  look different in your mailbox  directory. With most
mail programs you  will know immediately that this  is an acknowledgement
you can read later. Finally, you can turn off acknowledgements completely
with "SET OGL NOACK NOREPRO".

Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get a
list of the available archive files  by sending an "INDEX OGL" command to
LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU (or LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET). You can then order these
files  with a  "GET OGL  LOGxxxx" command,  or using  LISTSERV's database
search facilities. Send  an "INFO DATABASE" command  for more information
on the latter.

Please note that  it is presently possible for anybody  to determine that
you are signed  up to the list  through the use of  the "REVIEW" command,
which returns the e-mail address and  name of all the subscribers. If you
do not  want your  name to  be visible,  just issue  a "SET  OGL CONCEAL"
command.

More  information on  LISTSERV  commands  can be  found  in the  LISTSERV
reference  card, which  you can  retrieve  by sending  an "INFO  REFCARD"
command to LISTSERV@UKCC.UKY.EDU (or LISTSERV@UKCC.BITNET).


