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From london@sunsite.unc.edu Sat Jan 16 16:33:17 1999 -0500 Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA27245 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA23452 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:11:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shasta.ces.ncsu.edu: majord set sender to owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu using -f Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23404 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (IDENT:root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05015 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.190.163.56] (pm3shep1-163-56.intrepid.net [209.190.163.56]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15653; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:10:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:10:52 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: OFF: DEMETER on GE Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 THE VOICE OF DEMETER Newsletter of the Demeter Association, Inc. for Certification of Biodynamic Agriculture Britt Road, Aurora, NY 13026, 315-364-5617 ph, 315-364-5224 FAX email: demeter@baldcom.net Winter 1999 No. 9 The acreage planted to GE crops is increasing rapidly. It is estimated that 35% of the U.S. corn and soybean crops grown in 1998 were derived from genetically engineered (GE) seed. This 35% is mixed in the market stream with non-GE crops by the lack of any requirement for segregation or labeling. Tests done by Dr. John Fagan at his Genetic I.D. lab in late 1997 on several corn and soy products found only one that did not contain GE material. That one- was a certified organic soymilk. Corn chips, baby formula, soft drinks, veggie meat substitutes can now unfortunately be assumed to be adulterated with GE material. The Demeter Association, takes the position that genetic engineering applied to agriculture is not only unacceptable, but hazardous. Pur main concerns are as follows: 1) Genetically engineered plant genesI can.cross with wild and domestic relatives, thus over time having the capability to change the genetic makeup of at least some of the world's vegetation. This will likely lead to a loss of native genes, thus diminishing the gene pool. Some plants will contain new genetic material that will result in undesired traits. 2) Insects targeted by plant species engineered to contain built-in insecticide will adapt to the pesticide. This will affect the economic viability of organic and Biodynamic operations. The pesticide most often engineered into plants is Bt (bacillus thuringiensis), a bacterium which affects only the larval state of certain insects and as such has been a mainstay of organic pest control for many years. The eco will have to adjust to plants, insects, and bacteria with new traits. Beneficial insects meanwhile will suffer decline when their paths cross with the new insecticide-expressing plants. 3) A plant so engineered will contain insecticide over its entire lifespan, and even beyond as it falls to the ground to decay. This is a radically different situation from external applications of an insecticide such as Bt which may only be effective for several hours. These engineered plant/pesticide combos will therefore be in our food. We do not know the consequences of this. 4) Gene manipulation requires the use of a Marker to determine if the method was successful. The marker that appears to be most often used is an antibiotic resistant gene. Thus the environment will be exposed to more antibiotic resistance. The result could be resistant bacteria and human bacterial illnesses which antibiotics will not touch. The purpose of much genetic engineering of seed-stocks is to develop plants tolerant to herbicides. Clearly this means that more chemicals will be used on farms, more chemical pollution will migrate into our water supplies, more chemical residues will accumulate in plants, which we then 6) GE plants will contain DNA from undisclosed and non-food sources. Most such crops contain randomly spliced foreign genetic material from viruses, bacteria or other organisms which have never been a part of the human diet. The consequences are unclear. 7) Biotech companies can now breed sterility into their seeds, thanks to a USDA patent. Potentially the world's farmers Must pUrchase each year's seed from biotech companies--; instead of saving their own. Regional self-sufficiency will be history. Nature's cycle of seed to seed will be lost. Biotech companies will have enormous control over our food supply. 8) Adequate testing is not being done. Biotech companies are rushing their products to market at lightning speed. In the process negative results from limited testing are not brought to the public. We are all unconsenting test subjects 9) A widely used common seed supply can spell disaster when a pest penetrates the plant's weakness. The more narrow the crop diversity, the more susceptible is the world to crop failure and hunger. 10) There are no long term benefits to humanity in spite of much publicity to the contrary. For example: a) Cows injected with bovine growth hormone live shorter, more disease ridden lives. Humans who drink the milk are suspected to be in more danger of breast and prostate cancer. b) There are already many stories of crop failure from use of GE seed. These include cotton farmers in the southern U.S., potato growers in Eastern Europe, soybean growers in the U.S. midwest. In addition there are reports from Canada of GE oilseed rape (Camara) and from the UK of corn crosspollinating with nearby non-GE crops of the same species. In the UK an organic farmer apparently lost certification following an incident of cross-pollination. The UK food safety minister is being urged to consider statutory GE-free buffer zones around organic farms. c) An immediate danger is the Roundup tolerant soybean of Monsanto. These soybeans may show a high concentration of Roundup herbicide. 11) The effects of releasing GE crops into the environment are irreversible. 12) Biotech companies promoting this technology apparently have no interest in what might happen to us or to the environment. For these many reasons, the Demeter Association has made genetically manipulated materials off-limits for certification. Most other certifiers have also taken a stand against GE. This is one very important area where the organic certifier community stands for protection of the consumer. Individual farmers cannot require the use of non-GE ingredients when their raw products go to the manufacturer. Certifiers can require this. U.S. consumers have not demanded labeling of GE foods. Only organic certifiers have taken a stand. Some certifiers take more of a stand than others. Our guidelines state in part: "Demeter will not permit the use of transgenic plant or animal products or any derivative in food, feed, or fiber production." But does this apply to processing aids? PAs are ingredients used in food manufacturing which are removed from the final food product. Grain ethanol is one example. Some certifiers allow non-organic sourcing of PAs. Since non-organic more and more means that genetic engineering is present, as in corn used to make ethanol, can this be justified? Use of non-organic PAs, if derived from GE material, or if GE material is used in their manufacture, supports a technology that Demeter does not want to support. This is a hard thing to monitor since manufacturers of secondary ingredients and PAs do not seem very concerned about genetic engineering. And it is a hard stand for Demeter to take if other certifiers do not support the same standard. Consumers need to step up to the plate .... in this case the dinner plate. More wakefulness and more involvement of consumers to demand full disclosure in labeling would at least give us a choice in how we use our food dollars. [Fishberry is taken from a sketch done for Demeter by John McKenzie. A GE berry with fish genes to prevent freezing during cold weather may one day be at your produce stand.] Other GE News Physicians and Scientists for Responsible Application of Science and Technology (PSRAST), a global network, has issued the following statement: "We think that the increasingly powerful influence of industrial interests on science and on approval procedures represents an important threat to the future of the world. This is aggravated by a high degree of specialization along with too little of interdisciplinary and holistic thinking and awareness among most scientific experts. This causes an inability to judge the consequences of a new technology in a comprehensive and realistic way. "In the case of GE foods, there has been a serious neglect of important facts in the expert recommendations underlying approval by international and national regulatory bodies including FAO, FDA, and the EU commission. The result has been a concession to industrial interests at the expense of consumer and ecological safety.... "The PSAGEF campaign for a moratorium (on genetic engineering) will continue. Our focus will remain on the GE foods issue, as it appears to be the most immediate and potentially serious threat." =========================================================================== BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy high-value food that promotes human development. To Subscribe to BD NOW, the BD list server, send a msg to listproc@envirolink.org. 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All messages to sanet-mg are archived at: http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail From london@sunsite.unc.edu Sun Jan 17 13:58:48 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA07179 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11666; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11440 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.190.163.145] (pm3shep3-163-145.intrepid.net [209.190.163.145]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23205 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:50:53 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19990117120150.30e78a56@swva.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:50:41 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: Re: American Seed Trade Association Meeting Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 No word from Johnny's Selected Seeds on their stance on GE seeds, which is to say, they are making their ambivalance both loud and clear. It won't be that hard for me to not order from them this year, in fact, I'm buying entirely BD seeds (from reputable BD growers!) to the extent that it is possible. Does anyone know of a BD source for GREEN ENVY or any of the other 'edible' SOY BEANS in bulk? Thanks -Allan igg@igg.com From london@sunsite.unc.edu Sun Jan 17 11:22:03 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA04907 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA28407; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ctc.swva.net (ctc.swva.net [165.166.123.19]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28346 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (ctca237.vthokies.net [206.153.172.237] (may be forged)) by ctc.swva.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA24250; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:15:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:15:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990117120150.30e78a56@swva.net> X-Sender: mgardner@swva.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bdnow@envirolink.org, "bdnow@envirolink.org" , "OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU" From: malcolm ian gardner Subject: Re: American Seed Trade Association Meeting Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 At 06:28 PM 1/16/99 -0800, jrei@uswest.net wrote: >Next week I will be leaving for the annual convention of the >American Seed Trade Association meeting in CA. During that >meeting there will be several policy meetings on the >continued use of genetic manipulation in the vegetable seed >industry. There will also be a meeting to put a policy in >place that will decide whether or not GM varieties will be >allowed into the All American Selections vegetable trials. > >This meeting brings togeather all of the major vegetable >seed producers from around the world. >I would like to hear some comments to take with me to the >meeting. > >Joel Reiten >Territorial Seed Company Here's a heretical thought. Why not let the GM varieties in, particularly into the All American Vegetable Trials? I'm not exactly sure what these trials involve, but if they include criteria such as taste, nutritional balance, all-around vigor, or even beauty, I say let them try to compete! What is needed is an objective evaluation of these creations as _whole_ plants. I suspect that, as with most technological innovations, specialized success (e.g., disease resistance, or longer shelf life) has come at the expense of the integrity of the whole plant organism (not to mention the whole ecological and social environment). The key here, however, is objectivity. Assuming the trial process is presently fair and objective, once you include GM varieties, you may open the door to very powerful corrupting pressures. How well will the people in the American Seed Trade Organization be able to resist six figure bribes? Or withdrawal by certain sponsors or advertisers? Or dead cats in their mailboxes? These things would have to be thoroughly discussed in advance. In any case, I don't think this particular genie is going to go back into the bottle. So the only way to contain it is with (accurate) information about the real nature of this genie (pun intended :). Sincerely yours, Malcolm From london@sunsite.unc.edu Mon Jan 18 12:02:30 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA24529 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA21101; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from halifax.chebucto.ns.ca (halifax.chebucto.ns.Ca [192.75.95.75]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA20843 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from av204@localhost by halifax.chebucto.ns.ca id <35014-2099>; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:50:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:50:30 -0400 (AST) Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org From: Joan Macdonald To: biodynamics Subject: Re: OFF Positive Y2K action from organic farmers (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org X-Sender: av204@chebucto.ns.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 Hi All; I thought you would be interested in this Organic farm article for the Washington Tilth Journal... ---Joan Macdonald Halifax, Nova Scotia emailav204@chebucto.ns.ca Preparing for the Year 2000 by Mark Musick The following article has been submitted for publication in the Washington Tilth journal, January, 1999. Tilth is a Northwest network of organic farmers and gardeners devoted to sustainable agriculture and urban ecology. For more information contact: musick@pikeplacemarket.org (Mark Musick is the farm director of Seattle's Pike Street Market, one of the world's most famous public markets. He is a long-time leader of the nation's sustainable agriculture movement. The points he's making here are of critical interest to the American people. Mark grants permission to distribute this article. -- Larry Shook ) Tilth people have an important role to play in preparing our homes and communities for what may be a stormy few years. After more than two decades of nurturing bonds between people and the Earth, Tilth members are well positioned to assist our families, friends and neighbors in responding to potential impacts of the Year 2000 Computer Problem (Y2K). We are also in a position to help ensure that, rather than a day of chaos January 1, 2000 will be a day of planetary celebration. Whether or not you own a computer, it is becoming increasingly clear that Y2K threatens an economic and social crisis for farmers and consumers alike. I urge you to learn more about Y2K and contribute what you can to minimizing its potential negative impacts. (See box, "Get Informed About Y2K.") To save computer space, starting in the 1950s programmers routinely left out the first two digits for years in clocks that now control computer systems around the world. As the clocks roll over from December 31, 1999 to January 1, 2000, it is anticipated that many of the computers and imbedded chips that control global food, energy, transportation, health care, defense, water and sanitation systems will fail. Time has run out to fix them all. While the full consequences of Y2K are unknown, what is certain is that in the coming year many more people will see the absurdity of our globalized, petroleum-based food system in which the average unit of food travels 1,300 miles from producer to consumer. BE PREPARED "Experts" differ widely on what may happen when clocks strike Midnight on December 31, 1999-from a minor bump in the road to global chaos. The truth will probably lie somewhere in between, but it's important to prepare for as many contingencies as possible. Washington State Emergency Management officials are approaching Y2K as if preparing for a major earthquake. In the event of any major disaster, individual families and local communities must be prepared to be on their own for a minimum of 3 days to a week before government agencies mobilize to fully respond. The basic message from the federal government is, "Don't look to us for help." As far back as 1960, computer scientists began sounding the alarm about the impending Y2K crisis, but they were steadfastly ignored. Last spring Bill Clinton finally set up the President's Council on Year 2000 Conversion. While hoping for the best, behind the scenes senior officials are preparing for disruptions of our nation's technological infrastructure. In a US Information Agency Y2K teleconference held December 17, 1998, Janet Abrams, Executive Director of the President's Council on Year 2000 Conversion, revealed that the US government anticipates "a large series of mild to moderate disruptions across the country.... We are stressing to our local officials that they're going to have to take care of these problems on their own." The federal government will have too many problems of its own to deal with. That became evident with a January 6, 1999 Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) alert urging all public agencies and the general public "to get ready now for Y2K." Over the next few months FEMA will be mobilizing emergency management agencies around the country to develop contingency plans. Y2K will hit computer systems and embedded chips all over the world-all at the same time. As White House Y2K czar John Koskinen said, "We could have, if not the equivalent, something that is very much like a hurricane on the East Coast, an earthquake in San Francisco, and flooding on the Mississippi River all at once." Add to the list typhoons in India, avalanches in the Alps, and tsunamis in Japan. Y2K will hit every industrialized nation as the world enters the year 2000. Speaking about his agency's response to Y2K, USDA Secretary Dan Glickman noted that the work of "tens of thousands of people" is required to feed American families. "I must confess," he said, "that until recently I hadn't thought very much about the connection between food on our tables and computers. But, as a new millennium approaches, that link is becoming all too clear....We are facing the potential of serious disruptions because of the problem." Environmentalist David Brower has said he doesn't think it would be such a bad thing if computers lost their minds and confused the year 2000 for 1900. The difference is that today, like it or not, we are inescapably part of a culture in which all major life support systems are governed by computers. Yes, within a few days, weeks, months---or years---these systems will be repaired. But in the meantime there could be severe disruption and suffering. This is where Tilth people come in. News about the potential impacts of Y2K is galvanizing increased concern for personal and community self-reliance, both in this country and around the world. Generally living closer to the land, Tilth farmers and gardeners are often in good positions to provide for their own needs and link with their neighbors to build strong, resilient communities. FOOD SECURITY The frustrating thing about Y2K is that we won't know its full impact until January of next year. "This daunting challenge," says Spokane writer Larry Shook, "is not unlike floating on a river with a waterfall and a point of no return beyond which exit is impossible. The difference: with Y2K we won't know if rapids or a thundering cataract awaits us until we're beyond the point of no return." What may lie on the other side of that "point of no return"? One of the people who has looked hard at potential worst case scenarios is biologist Geri Guidetti, founder of the Ark Institute (PO Box 142, Oxford, OH 45056). "Over the past three years," writes Guidetti, "I have been sounding an alarm that our food supply is much less safe and secure than any of us can imagine, largely due to vulnerabilities wrought by the same technology that has brought us so much food. We've created a monster, and the monster's about to get sick." Guidetti's December, 1998 "Food Supply Update" (www.arkinstitute.com ) is both sobering and frightening. In it she reviews the abysmal preparedness levels of federal agencies charged with securing our food supply. Y2K problems for farmers include potential shortages of fuel to run farm equipment, failures of embedded chips in tractors and combines, and shortages of fertilizers and pesticides if chemical companies are shut down by computer failures. Of particular concern to Guidetti is the potential for seed shortages. "Our entire human food supply is based on plants and plant seeds," she notes. "New, hybrid and non-hybrid seeds produced in 1999 for the year 2000 crop may not reach all who need it due to transportation and distribution breakdowns....Distribution of diesel fuel and gasoline supplies to run farm machinery may be undependable. Seasonal planting deadlines would be missed. Seeds or no seeds, many crops would not get planted, and that would prove deadly for 2001. That year would be worse than 2000." TILTH'S RESPONSE TO Y2K If Guidetti is even close to right, we have our work cut out for us starting right now. Long before midnight next December 31st each of us needs to reach out to strengthen linkages with our families, neighborhoods and larger communities to ensure food security for all. As the year 2000 approaches, increased fear of disruption or even collapse of our global economy and infrastructure is likely to lead to increased interest in securing food supplies. There are many practical ways in which Tilth people can respond. First, farmers should anticipate greater demand for storage crops next fall by planting more potatoes, squash, carrots, beets, etc. This is also the year to build root cellars to provide for long term storage and extending your market season. Food preservation and storage will be of major interest this year, and Tilth people can take the lead in teaching people about canning, root cellaring, and other means of putting food by. In addition to stored food, farmers and gardeners west of the Cascades have an opportunity to make 1999 the "Year of the Winter Garden." With Binda Colebrook's Winter Gardening in the Maritime Northwest and Seattle Tilth's Maritime Northwest Garden Guide, we now have the knowledge of crop varieties and timing necessary to produce a year-round abundance of fresh vegetables in our region. Come January, 2000 hundreds of gardens and small farms throughout Western Washington and Oregon can be filled with cabbages, kale, leeks, carrots, parsnips, broccoli, onions, and cold-hardy winter greens. This would go a long way toward alleviating concerns about shortages of fresh vegetables next winter. Responding to Guidetti's concern about impending seed shortages, Tilth people should also join world-wide efforts to grow and preserve open-pollinated seeds. In addition to storage crops and winter vegetables, this is also the year to plant a "seed garden" to help save our genetic heritage (see "Millennium Seed Garden" box). Note that seeds are likely to be in short supply this year. Local seed companies are already reporting a sharp increase in demand, so I urge you to order your seeds for the year now. As more and more consumers seek to secure their food supplies,1999 is also going to be a great year to promote Community Supported Agriculture. Individual CSAs are encouraged to reach out and include more consumers. More and more farmers are also forming cooperative CSAs, greatly expanding the potential impact of the movement. Throughout the season CSA farms can be educating their customers about food preservation. Some are also planning on providing special "Thanksgiving Shares" next November for people who want additional reserves for winter storage. The CSA movement is a powerful tool for building support for local agriculture. Not only do CSAs directly link producers with consumers, but they're also a great way to spread the word about the necessity of preserving both farmers and farmland. In the process, they foster a greater sense of security and self-reliance throughout the region. Everyone can contribute to the process of creating what are being called "resilient communities." Tilth people have an abundance of experience and skills to share, and many people will be looking to us for guidance and leadership in the coming year. Tilth people are already taking leadership roles in assisting their communities in preparing for Y2K. Groups on Whidbey Island and in Spokane, Washington are undertaking projects which are excellent models of positive community responses to potential infrastructure breakdowns. South Whidbey Tilth members are actively involved in what they're calling the "Community Resilience Project." In addition to hosting Y2K Forums to inform residents about the issues, they have organized into more than a dozen action groups to inventory their island's resources through a process called Community Asset Mapping. Sectors they are addressing include transportation, communications, public safety, water, financial services, and health care. Whidbey Island Tilth members Prescott and Michael Seraphinoff are taking responsibility for the energy and food sectors of the asset mapping. In Spokane a grassroots organization has created the "Y2K Neighborhood Project." Their goal is to prepare Spokane County, house-by-house, block-by-block, to be ready for whatever may happen when the "millennium bug" bites. Dr Kent Hoffman, a Spokane psychotherapist, is one of the initiators of the Y2K Neighborhood Project. According to Dr Hoffman, "Y2K Neighborhood is setting out to create miniature villages among every five or six houses on every block in the county. It's a way in which we can come together, plan together, look out for each other during this time of uncertainty." "All we're really talking about," he said, "is polishing up our neighborhood skills." Farmer preparedness for Y2K will be one of the central themes of the annual Washington Farmers Markets Conference, set for March 1 & 2. Larry Shook, editor of Awakening, the Upside of Y2K, will be one of our keynote speakers. The conference will also include special workshops on storage crops and on-farm storage, greenhouse production, winter gardening, seed production and saving, and Community Supported Agriculture. I hope that preparation for Y2K will be on the agenda of all farm conferences and workshops this winter and spring to mobilize the involvement of farmers in community resilience projects throughout the country. I see Y2K as an opportunity to wake people up to things that already need to be done-preserving farmland, supporting local farmers, and striving for greater regional self-reliance. The more that neighbors work and grow together the better off everyone will be, whether or not disaster strikes. Expanding CSAs, strengthening bonds between producers and consumers, growing more storage crops and winter vegetables, preserving food and saving seeds---if we do all these things, we will definitely have cause to celebrate the Year 2000! BOX GET INFORMED ABOUT Y2K A flood of reliable information is now becoming available about the causes and potential consequences of Y2K. The first step in formulating your personal response is to get fully informed. Here are some good starting points: Y2K Citizen's Action Guide, Preparing yourself, your family, and your neighborhood for the year 2000 computer problem and beyond, by the Utne Reader. This is the single best tool for education and action. It is available for $4.95 everywhere the Utne Reader is sold (although you may have to ask for it). To help spread Y2K awareness in your community, order 50 copies at a time for $57.50 from Bulk Orders, Utne Reader, 1624 Harmon Place, Minneapolis, MN 55403. Awakening: The Upside of Y2K, edited by Judy Laddon, Tom Atlee and Larry Shook, is an excellent overview of the technical, economic and social implications of the Y2K Bug. It emphasizes positive steps individuals and communities can take to minimize adverse impacts. $13 post paid from The Printed Word, 4327 S Perry, Spokane, WA 99203, (509) 747-8776. They are also a source of on-going information about Spokane's Y2K Neighborhood Project. "Y2K: So Many Bugs...So Little Time," Peter de Jager, Scientific American, January, 1999. An authoritative current report on the status of Y2K preparations. I hope it is widely read. "Farming & the Year 2000 Problem," Agriculture & Natural Resources Fact Sheet #512, WSU Cooperative Extension King County, 700 Fifth Ave, Suite 3700, Seattle, WA 98104-5037, phone (206) 296-3900. Excellent overview of the Y2K problem. Includes basic action steps and sources of additional information. "Farmers Markets in the Year 2000," Washington Farmers Markets Conference, March 1 & 2, 1999. This conference will include several presentations on farmer preparedness for Y2K. For details contact Mark Musick, Pike Place Market, 85 Pike Street, Rm 500, Seattle, WA 98101, phone: (206) 682-7453, e-mail: musick@pikeplacemarket.org. South Whidbey Tilth members Prescott and Michael Seraphinoff can provide information on the South Whidbey Community Resilience Project. They can be reached at 3830 S 530 E, Greenbank, WA 98253, (360) 678-4168. www.y2kcommunity.org is one of the best starting points to learn about Y2K on the web. It includes current articles and links to other sites. BOX PLANT A MILLENNIUM VICTORY GARDEN! One of the most important things Tilth farmers and gardeners can do is grow our own seeds. By growing open pollinated varieties, each of us can help ensure viable supplies of seeds in the coming years. Inspired by Tom John's proposal for "Millennium Victory Gardens" in the Territorial Seed Catalog, Lana Baker, seed specialist with Molbak's Seattle Garden Center (1600 Pike Place, Seattle, WA 98101, phone 206-448-0431), compiled the following list of her recommended varieties. While growers will debate their favorites, and these varieties may not be suitable throughout the region, please consider this list as a starting point for creating your own seed garden. Asian Greens - Ching Chang, Mizuna Beans - Blue Lake Pole, Fava, Jacob's Cattle Beets - Detroit Dark Red, Albina Verduna, Golden Broccoli - Waltham, Nutri-Bud, Purple Sprouting Brussels Sprouts - Rubine Red, Long Island Cabbage - Early Jersey Wakefiel, Danish Ballhead Carrots - Red Core Chantenay, Armstrong Collards - Champion Corn - Bantam Corn Salad - Mache Cucumber - Sweet Marketmore 76, Lemon Cucumber Eggplant - Imperial Black Beauty Kale - Russian Red Leeks - King Richard, Giant Mussleburg Lettuce - Black Seeded Simpson, Four Seasons, Winter Density Onions - Breakthru, Walla Walla Peas, Shelling - Pioneer, Alderman, Maestro Peas, Snap - Sugar Daddy, Sugar Snap Peas, Sugar - Oregon Sugar Pod II, Oregon Giant Peppers - Early California Wonder, Chile Relleno, Cayenne Pumpkins - Small Sugar, Rouge vif D'Etampes Spinach - Winter Bloomsdale Squash, Summer - Bennings Green Tint, Black Beauty Zucchini Squash, Winter - Red Kuri, Butternut, Delicata, Blue Hubbard, Sweet Meat Swiss Chard - Rainbow Mix Tomatoes - Brandywine, Stupice, Mortgage Lifter, Seattle's Best of All, Yellow Pear, Sweetie Watermelon - Sugar Baby BOX CREATING ABUNDANCE Seventeen years ago Tilth published a sourcebook for sustainable agriculture called The Future Is Abundant. In mid December of last year a group of Tilth and Permaculture activists met to discuss the need and potential for a sequel for the new millennium. Out of those discussions came a proposal to produce a new sourcebook with the working title, Creating Abundance, Ecological Agriculture in the Pacific Northwest. In the nearly two decades since the original book's publication, there has been an explosion of experience and information in all aspects of sustainable agriculture. Creating Abundance will draw on the wealth of knowledge of Tilth people throughout the region. To make the process of researching and writing the new edition immediately useful in the context of Y2K, a proposal is being drafted to publish Creating Abundance in both book form and an interactive web site. If you would like more information on Creating Abundance, contact Mark Musick at the Pike Place Market. Tom Atlee * The Co-Intelligence Institute * Oakland, CA http://www.co-intelligence.org * http://www.co-intelligence.org/Y2K.html Sheri Nakken Coordinator - Western Nevada County Y2K Preparedness Network **VISIT OUR NEW BOOKSTORE ONLINE*** http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/wncy2k.htm PO Box 1563, Nevada City, California 95959 Phone 530-478-1242 Business Owner - Well Within & Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours Broadcaster/DJ/Reporter - KVMR FM, Nevada City, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. From london@sunsite.unc.edu Mon Jan 18 13:44:14 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA01647 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA05366; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.triax.com (postoffice@mail.triax.com [209.222.164.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04840 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cyrix-166 ([209.222.163.75]) by mail.triax.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-41958U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA2467; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:22:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990118103024.00b5a1b0@pop.igc.apc.org> X-Sender: bcarter@pop.igc.apc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:30:24 -0800 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Barry Carter Subject: Re: re silica Cc: Maltman Family In-Reply-To: <36941D66.88D5FCE9@better.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 Dear Sue, At 09:35 PM 1/6/99 -0500, Maltman Family wrote: >My Solution: I had read about polymerized water ( not Kurt Vonnegut's >"Ice-9") and when I saw some for sale at the local farmer's market I >decided to try it out. I bought a little bag of crystal powder for $5 >and made a big gallon of the jello-like stuff. Then I went up to the >roof and added it to the soil in the containers by drilling 6" holes in >the dirt next to the stems down to the roots, pouring in the goop, and >pluging the holes with compost. The soil stayed wet for days. As I >water, the polymerized stuff binds up more molecules and holds it in >the soil, replacing itself as the roots drink it up. Amazing. I bet >you could add it to your houseplants and then leave town for a month. I have heard of polymerized water in other contexts before but never in this connection. Can you give me more information on this product and how to obtain it? What exactly is it? Who makes it? What claims do they make? The ORMUS elements will form a polymer of water too. Perhaps the phenomena is related. -- With kindest regards, Barry Carter Blue Mountain Native Forest Alliance WEB Page: http://www.triax.com/bmnfa/index.htm Voice: 541-523-3357 Fax: 541-523-9438 Stupidity got us into this mess -- why can't it get us out? From london@sunsite.unc.edu Mon Jan 18 19:36:11 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA07956 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA23933; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from halifax.chebucto.ns.ca (halifax.chebucto.ns.Ca [192.75.95.75]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23634 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from av204@localhost by halifax.chebucto.ns.ca id <35413-2092>; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:26:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:26:20 -0400 (AST) Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org From: Joan Macdonald To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re:Stinging Nettles In-Reply-To: <199901182044.MAA01592@f70.hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org X-Sender: av204@chebucto.ns.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 Hi Michael; On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, you wrote: > > Urtica -Stinging Nettles > > The most curious thing I have found is that one of my dogs, during > winter and early spring, when the nettle has dried, will Chew it. I > still haven't figured out how he can do that, or better still, why? One of the specific indications for using the remedy Urtica Urens (diocia, has similar if not identical properties) is congestion/discharge from intestinal mucous surfaces, so its cleansing properties in the urinary tract would probably have a relationship to the innate ability which animals(when allowed) have to search/graze for appropiate herbs and plants when needed. Urtica U prevents calculi as it acts by thickening the urine which contains deposits of urates and other salts and also promotes normal urination. ------------------------ Jane Sherry sent me this interesting snip on Nettles: > Nettle note: Urtica is apparently also very efficient in the >filtering of metals, minerals and waste materials from contaminated >water, storing these substances in its plant fibers and cleansing water >supplies. It is an excellent candidate for organic waste treatment and >detoxification systems. >Many of the materials it collects can be recovered afterward from the >dead plant matter. ----------------- In Lecture 5 Steiner mentions that Nettles like iron, and planting nettles in out of the way spots can do a great deal in freeing the upper layer of soil from the influence of iron. He mentions that it does not get rid of the iron but undermines it affect on other plants. He says more on the subject but we can wait until we get to that Lecture for discussion..... ---Joan Macdonald Halifax, Nova Scotia email:av204@chebucto.ns.ca From london@metalab.unc.edu Sun Jan 24 18:08:33 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA29021 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA08900; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA16691 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:45:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990124204544.7365.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.205.40.10] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:45:44 PST Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: bruce ritchie Subject: rosecrutions,anthropo etc. To: bdnow@envirolink.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 dear all, I have been reading various comments about the ego/spirit and the various elements. I have also gotten the idea from Glen Atkinson and others that there may be different views and or practices from various groups with different perspectives on these matters. Though I live in Charlottesville va. near the Univ of Va (thomas Jefferson country) library, I have not found much info on the rosecrutions, and am left only able to study the ancient egyptian views from archaelogical books etc. Do any of you all have things you want to share with me about the philosophical/spiritual/material views in regard to similarities or differences. Also, I have been unable to find anything specific of rosecrutions, even after viewing their website. Maybe they are waiting for my monetary contributioon. I am just as much interested in modern groups as ancient views. Anyone with an opinion or internet link to share can write me directly or if it seems relevant, share it with the group. bruce ritchie edophan@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From london@metalab.unc.edu Sun Jan 24 21:09:08 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA02103 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11436; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from coffsdns.ecopost.com.au (root@coffsdns.ecopost.com.au [203.28.69.15]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA02026 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from bio (kmidc67-78.ecopost.com.au [203.28.67.78]) by coffsdns.ecopost.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA28906; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:10:10 +1100 Message-ID: <00ce01be47ff$697a2e00$4e431ccb@bio> From: "Cheryl Kemp" To: "Peter Proctor" , Subject: Re: Biodynamic newsletters and journals Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:09:16 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 Dear Allan, The address and phone no etc for Australia need correcting, see below. Thanks, NZ is also changed, see Gareth Bodles email. Cheryl Kemp Education & Advisory Coordinator Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc. of Australia Inc. P.O Box 54, Bellingen. 2454. (Office) 627 Tyringham Rd, Dorrigo Nth. 2453 (Home) Phone; + 02 66 575306 Fax 02 66 575322 -----Original Message----- From: Intergalactic Garage To: bdnow@envirolink.org Cc: steved@ncatark.uark.edu Date: Saturday, 23 January 1999 3:33 pm Subject: Re: Biodynamic newsletters and journals >IN a similar vein, I have this list of biodynamic associations which >started wit the one in the back of Peter Proctor's "Grasp the Nettle." If >you can fill in the any of the missing associations, email addresses, or >give current officers, please do. I'll get this information mounted on the >web page soon. -Allan > > >New Zealand The BioDynamic Farming and Gardening Association in New >Zealand (Inc.), PO Box 306, Napier, phone/fax 068352428 > >Australia The Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Association, PO Box 54, Bellingen. 2454 NSW Australia P/F + 2 66558551 email poss@midcoast.com.au > >USA Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association, Inc, Building 1002B, >Thoreau Center, The Presidio, P.O. Box 29135, San Francisco, CA >94129-0135, 415-561-7797, 415-561-7796 Fax, biodynamic@aol.com >Canada Bio-Dynamic Agricultural Society of British Columbia, Skimikin >Road, CDN-Chase, BC VOE 1MO, phone 604 679 8052, fax 604 679 2932 > >Germany Forschungsring fur biol.-dyn. Wirtschaftsweise, Brandschneise 2, >D-64295 Darmstadt, phone (06155) 84690, fax (06155) 846 911 > >Great Britain Bio-Dynamic Agricultural Association, Woodman Land, Clent, >GB-Stourbridge, West Midlands DY9 9PX, phone 562 884 933, fax 562 886 219 > >Ireland Bio-Dynamic Agricultural Association in Ireland, Ballinroan House, >IRL-Kiltegan, Co. Wicklow, fax 508 81006 > >South Africa Bio-Dynamic Agricultural Association of Southern Africa PO >Box 115, Paulshof, South Africa 2056, phone 11 8031688 > > > >=========================================================================== > >BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, >dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, food >that promotes human development. > >To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to > >listproc@envirolink.org > >In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): > >subscribe bdnow > >If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com > >a message to listproc@envirolink.org > > From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Mon Jan 25 01:25:23 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA05961 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA18032; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA17913 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.metalab.unc.edu [152.19.254.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA05917 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id BAA21420 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:18:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:18:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: New Soil Quality discussion forum (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 I have created a forum called SOIL QUALITY (soil-quality@franklin.oit.unc.edu) for discussion of such topics as soil quality, soil science, soil amendments, minerals, micronutrients, macronutrients, compost, rock powders, microbiological innoculants, application of manure/seaweed/grass/grain/bean/weed, cover crops, tillage, irrigation, biodynamics, blended fertilizers and anything else appropriate. Access; ------- general information is available at: http://metalab.oit.unc.edu/london/forumdoc.txt (subscribe/read/post) http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=soil-quality&text_mode (subscribe/unsubscribe via email) send email to lyris@franklin.oit.unc.edu in message text include the following words: subscribe soil-quality (posting to the list subscribers) send email to soil-quality@franklin.oit.unc.edu (read/post via newsgroup) news://franklin.oit.unc.edu/soil-quality Lawrence F. London, Jr., list administrator http://metalab.unc.edu/london InterGarden london@metalab.unc.edu llondon@bellsouth.net From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Mon Jan 25 17:07:25 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA24291 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA29600; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29238 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.102.67.228] (pm3mbr2-66-146.intrepid.net [206.102.66.146]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03738 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:58:56 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:57:20 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: OFF: Consequences of Chemical Farming Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 [The merits of organic, biodynamic & other "alternative" techniques are only half of the argument for changing from so-called "modern" agriculture. The other half is mounting evidence of how the agri-industry system (fertilizers, biocides & GE) is bringing us to a toxic dead-end. Here's an Associated Press article carried in today's Washington Post. --John Spencer, Herndon VA] Midwest Farm Runoff Causes 'Dead Zone' in Gulf, Scientists Say By Paul Recer Associated Press As printed in The Washington Post Monday, January 25, 1999; Page A07 ANAHEIM, Calif., Jan. 24--A 7,000-square-mile dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico caused by the runoff of fertilizer is getting worse and the only solution may be to change farming practices throughout the Corn Belt, according to scientists. Every spring and summer, nitrogen from agricultural fertilizer washes down the Mississippi River and into the northern Gulf of Mexico. The nutrient-rich waters trigger a bloom of algae that strips the water of oxygen. Researchers attending the national meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science this weekend said that by midsummer, an area of the Gulf extending from Louisiana to Texas becomes so oxygen-deprived that most fish and shrimp escape to healthier waters, leaving behind a vast "dead zone." Nancy N. Rabalais of Louisiana State University said the average size of the dead zone has doubled in size since 1992 and is now persisting from May until October in some areas. Shrimp, menhaden and other valuable species have not been affected because these animals simply flee the bad water, said Rabalais. But bottom-dwellers, such as worms, starfish and some single-celled animals, are killed. At the same time, some microbes that prefer low-oxygen waters explode, forming a white, cotton-like mass that floats on the surface. "We don't know what the long-term effects of this will be on the ecology of the gulf," said Rabalais. "The hypoxia [lack of oxygen] has decimated a number of organisms living in the sediments" and such a change is bound to affect the ecology of the gulf, she said. The Mississippi River drains about 40 percent of the United States and carries more than a million tons of nitrogen, according to U.S. Geological Survey figures. Some of the nitrogen dumped into the gulf comes from natural sources and from cities and industry, but "agriculture uses 6.5 million metric tons of nitrogen a year and is clearly a major player." Doering said farmers could reduce nitrogen runoff by 20 percent by changing farm management practices. He said the goal could be reached if farmers stopped fertilizing in the fall and if major wetlands were restored along the Mississippi River watershed. Wetlands retain the nitrogen and the chemical then tends to disappear into the atmosphere, Doering said. The wetlands also would increase wildlife habitat and improve water quality. Using less fertilizer would reduce crop yield, and a 20 percent reduction is about the limit before there would be serious economic consequences for farmers and the nation, according to a scientific assessment by Doering and others. "Beyond 20 percent," Doering said, "there is a serious disruption in terms of high food prices, an increasing drop in exports and a loss of farmland." Copyright 1999 The Associated Press =========================================================================== BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, food that promotes human development. To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to listproc@envirolink.org In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): subscribe bdnow If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Mon Jan 25 17:15:04 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA24675 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00951; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.36]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00432 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [193.237.213.190] (helo=watating.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 104u9d-00040l-00 for bdnow@envirolink.org; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:06:46 +0000 Message-ID: <36ACBAA2.98F35803@watating.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:40:34 +0000 From: ALISON EADES X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BDNow Subject: GMOs in the South Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 FORWARDED The Debate on Genetically Modified Organisms: Relevance for the South By Robert Tripp at the Overseas Development Institute, UK Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) are at the centre of extraordinary controversy. The implications of these debates must be addressed by policy makers in the South, according to the latest Overseas Development Institute Briefing Paper. Concerns about GMOs include environmental impact, food safety, the control of agricultural technology, and the direction of agricultural change. Some of these issues require a strengthening of current regulatory systems while others can be addressed by well-informed agricultural policy and legal reform. But adequate regulatory and policy responses depend upon the generation and utilisation of good quality information. http://www.oneworld.org/odi/briefing/1_99.html From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Mon Jan 25 18:07:42 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA25881 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA07833; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercurio.racsa.co.cr (mercurio.racsa.co.cr [207.1.120.69]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07438 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from sol.racsa.co.cr (nheredia2-a11.racsa.co.cr [196.40.10.73]) by mercurio.racsa.co.cr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18831 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:01:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36AD13A6.3D427184@sol.racsa.co.cr> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:00:22 -0800 From: Henry Karczynski Organization: Valle Orquideas SA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: Biodynamic orgs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 Intergalactic Garage wrote: > Thanks for this information, Tony. > > Does anyone have an address, etc for the BRAZILIAN BD group? > > -Allan The Brazilian BD group is as follows; Instituto Biodinamico de Desenvolvimiento Rural Caixa Postal 321-18603-970 Botuccatu / SP - Brazil fone/fax + 55 14 822 5066 / + 55 14 975 9011 fax + 55 14 822 3848 e mail: abd@ax.ibase.org.br Hank Karczynski From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Mon Jan 25 19:53:36 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA27619 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA22150; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21671 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lizard (a0073.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.105]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA22899 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:45:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:45:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990125194046.08875c1c@mail.mnsinc.com> X-Sender: jspencer@mail.mnsinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: JSpencer Subject: OFF: Echinacea and Other Herbs-Wisconsin Seminar Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 >Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:07:39 EST >Sender: Organic Gardening Discussion List >From: Barbara Birkinbine >Subject: Echinacea and Other Herbs-Wisconsin Seminar > >A growers seminar for Echinacea and other herbs will be held on February 12 at >UW-Madison School of Agriculture. The seminar will run from 8:30 am to 5:00 >pm with various specialists providing information on each topic. > >A background of various species will be presented along with information on >seed acquisition, germination techniques, growing, planting, and maintenance >of the crop. >If you are interested in attending this seminar contact >Robert Brule at 608/873-6222 or Therese Boberg at 608/224-5137 >Hope to see you there. >Barb Birkinbine >Oak Camp Herb Farm >OakCamp@aol.com > > From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 00:10:50 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA01928 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA25112; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from edtnps05.telusplanet.net (edtnps05.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.105]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17432 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from edtntnt1-port-337.agt.net ([161.184.193.83]:1026 "HELO blum") by edtnps05.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <549507-13597>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:48:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01be48de$fbd78e20$53c1b8a1@blum> From: "The Blumhagen's" To: Subject: Ringworm in Cattle Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:37:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 Hello, I am a 16 year old farm boy from Alberta, Canada, and presently own a few breeding cows. My father found that my two year old cow just recently formed ringworm patches around her eyes. I noticed the letters being exchanged regarding ringworm in humans and wondered if perhaps anyone had any information on a treatment for ringworm on cows. My father and I were going to apply an antibacterial type cream to her soars but if there was an alternative I could try and experiment with I would try it first. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerly, Levi Blumhagen From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 08:56:12 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA06549 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA25218; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com (teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com [139.134.5.173]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA25153 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id aa287092 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:01:05 +1000 Received: from WBBH-T-003-p-166-181.tmns.net.au ([139.134.166.181]) by mail0.bigpond.com (Claudes-Off-Shore-MailRouter V2.2a); 26 Jan 1999 15:01:04 From: "Maritza de Oliveira and Angela Medeiros" To: Subject: Brazilian BD web site Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:25:14 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <05010514045641@domain0.bigpond.com> Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 Allan The Brazilian Instituto Biodinamico de Desenvolvimento Rural have a web site. www.laser.com.br/ibd/ I hope you can read Portugues! Or you can write to: Caixa Postal 321 - Bairro Demétria - CEP 18603-970 - Botucatu - SP - Brasil . Fone/Fax: ( 014) 821-1739 But if you have any problem, let me know. I'll be happy to help you with the translation. Best Wishes Angela From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 08:56:38 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA06564 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA25322; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from fh106.infi.net (fh106.infi.net [209.97.16.33]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24843 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208.129.61.28 (pm1-28.1v5.infi.net [208.129.61.28]) by fh106.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA31072 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:47:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36ADBAC4.10E7@bouldernews.infi.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 06:53:28 -0600 From: Paul Frazier Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: Ringworm in Cattle References: <000a01be48de$fbd78e20$53c1b8a1@blum> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 The Blumhagen's wrote: > > Hello, > > I am a 16 year old farm boy from Alberta, Canada, and presently own a few > breeding cows. My father found that my two year old cow just recently formed > ringworm patches around her eyes. I noticed the letters being exchanged > regarding ringworm in humans and wondered if perhaps anyone had any > information on a treatment for ringworm on cows. My father and I were going > to apply an antibacterial type cream to her soars but if there was an > alternative I could try and experiment with I would try it first. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerly, > Levi Blumhagen Dear Levi, In humans, ringworm makes patches of red rings with a clear center that is dry and scaly. These patches rarely turn into sores unless they have been there for a very long time and the person has scratched them. Are you sure that this is what your cow has? I don't know as much about cows as humans but it's just a thought. Also, ringworm is a fungal organism and probably won't respond to an antibacterial cream unless it also contains antifungal medication as well. I would try TEA TREE oil on the sores a little at a time so you can see if she is allergic to it. In some people Tea Tree oil is somewhat irritating and will make a skin condition worse before it can help. Hope this helps Pat Frazier From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 09:45:39 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA07496 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01321; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00997 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.102.66.162] (pm3mbr2-66-162.intrepid.net [206.102.66.162]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14735 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:38:32 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:34:15 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: Re: Ringworm in Cattle Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 Levi, ringworm is a fungal infection, specific types of fungi called dermatophytes, which infect hair follicles &/or the hair shafts themselves. Antibacterial creams will have no effect against the fungus. Ringworm infection often signals an underlying stress or nutritional deficiency - we see this infection most commonly during the winter, when cattle are being fed stored feeds (hay, silage, etc.). Often, these feeds are low in Vitamin A - either it was present in low levels when the feed was put up, or it has degraded over time. I'd recommend giving your cow an injection of Vitamin A, and perhaps an injection of a Vitamin E/Selenium preparation, unless your mineral supplementation program addresses these two nutrients(VitE/Se). Check with your veterinarian regarding these treatments, and he may have an antifungal preparation which you can apply topically to the lesions. Back when I was in veterinary practice, we used to use thiabendazole (TBZ) paste as a topical antifungal agent - TBZ had lost its effectiveness as a dewormer, but still worked quite nicely as an antifungal agent. Good Luck Louis L. "Lucky" Pittman, Jr., DVM Veterinary Pathologist Murray State University Breathitt Veterinary Center Hopkinsville, KY Email: Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu =========================================================================== BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, food that promotes human development. To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to listproc@envirolink.org In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): subscribe bdnow If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 09:45:53 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA07507 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01399; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01017 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.102.66.162] (pm3mbr2-66-162.intrepid.net [206.102.66.162]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14754 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:38:35 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:35:08 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: Re: Ringworm in Cattle Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 Ringworm has been a problem on our ranch with our showstring of registered Santa Gertrudis cattle. I will be interested in seeing the traffic on this issue. We treat with MILD iodine/captan (garden plant antifungal)/novalsan spray or paste (arioound eyese yse paste) EVERY OTHER day for a week or 2. Seems to do the job but ringworm spreads like wildfire so new areas crop up. Keep your animal isolated during active cases or the whole herd will have ringworm. My vet suggests eliminating the iodine because it is easy to remove hair with even a mild iodine mixture. I still use the iodine in hopes I can clear up sooner. Beware, use mild (say 1/2 %) and every other day. HayWire Ranch Republic of Texas >Hello, > >I am a 16 year old farm boy from Alberta, Canada, and presently own a few >breeding cows. My father found that my two year old cow just recently formed >ringworm patches around her eyes. I noticed the letters being exchanged >regarding ringworm in humans and wondered if perhaps anyone had any >information on a treatment for ringworm on cows. My father and I were going >to apply an antibacterial type cream to her soars but if there was an >alternative I could try and experiment with I would try it first. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Sincerly, >Levi Blumhagen > > > >=========================================================================== > >BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, >dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, food >that promotes human development. > >To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to > >listproc@envirolink.org > >In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): > >subscribe bdnow > >If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com > >a message to listproc@envirolink.org > From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 09:48:23 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA07565 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01730; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01388 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.102.66.162] (pm3mbr2-66-162.intrepid.net [206.102.66.162]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15252 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:41:05 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:40:27 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: OFF: Action Alert:Toxic Sludge Labeling Bill in Congress (please post) Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 National Sludge Alliance, Box 130, Copake, NY 12516 Action Alert Send letters to Your Representatives to co-sponsor Food Labeling Bill and ask Senators to introduce a companion bill. Introduced in the House of Representatives on January 6, 1999 by Mr. Jose Serrano and referred to the Committee on Commerce, and the Committee on Agriculture. SAMPLE LETTER In Support of HR 262 food labeling bill that provides consumers the basic "right to know" Dear Representative/Senator -------------, I am writing to express my strong support for HR 262, introduced by Representative Jose Serrano, to amend the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and the egg, meat, and poultry inspection laws to ensure that consumers receive notification regarding food crops, livestock, or poultry raised on land on which sewage sludge was applied. The federal ban on the ocean dumping of sludge without an investigation of alternatives and mandating enforceable safe methods and processes has put food, water, farmland, and consumers at risk. To meet the huge demand for cheap land-based sludge disposal, sludge generators and processors are aggressively promoting industrial contaminated sludge as an agricultural fertilizer. Sludge is a toxic soup of industrial and household chemicals. Materials discharged to sewage treatment plants consist of residential, industrial, hospital wastes, runoff from streets and farmlands, and in some cases landfill leachates including Superfund sites. These wastes contain varying degrees of pathogens, heavy metals, man-made organic chemicals such as PCBs, dioxins, pharmaceuticals, industrial solvents, detergents, asbestos, and radioactive wastes. The EPA is promoting growing food on these contaminants without telling the public. As a consumer the decision to expose my family to this risk should rest with me and not a state or federal bureaucracy. I urge your support and sponsorship of a companion bill in the Senate. This is a food labeling bill (HR 262) that will provide consumers with a basic "right to know". I look forward to your timely reply to this request. Sincerely, Debbie Dunbar Ortman National Field Organizer Organic Consumers Association 3547 Haines Rd. Duluth, MN 55811 (218) 726-1443 (218) 726-1446 Fax safefood@cp.duluth.mn.us http://www.purefood.org Join the Organic Consumers Association in your local area. If you want to become a member or a volunteer--or make a donation--call (218)726-1443 To subscribe to the free electronic newsletter, Food Bytes, send an email to: majordomo@mr.net with the simple message: subscribe pure-food-action =========================================================================== BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, food that promotes human development. To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to listproc@envirolink.org In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): subscribe bdnow If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 11:05:13 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA10618 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA14959; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14740 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.70.20.176]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990126155830.ETXG23625@default>; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:58:30 +0000 Message-ID: <36ADE84C.234B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:07:40 -0500 From: Linda Ray Organization: Linda Ray Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org CC: LINDARAY@worldnet.att.net, sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Notice: Biodynamic Farming Conference in Eustis, Florida X-URL: http://www.paradise-web.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=lray&id=15621.224963454105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 Dear Listfolk, A two-day annual Conference on the principles and practical usage of Biodynamic Farming methods will take place in Eustis, Florida on January 30-31, 1999, at the Farm of Bob Luzader. Several very experienced BD authors and longtime farmers will be there, with tons of practical farming information to share and discuss with attendees. Both days consist of several lectures, demonstrations and practical, experiential workshops taught by experienced farmers using BD methods. Attendees to this annual gathering include beekeepers, farmer/dowsers, small family farmers, organic and sustainable farmers, veterinarians, nurserymen and home gardeners. All attendees are encouraged to bring their questions, observations and ideas. All who have an interest in Biodynamics or who seek further information about this method of farming/stewardship in harmony with the energies of Nature are welcome to attend. Registration is $50. for the weekend, and $25 or something close to that for a single day (Call Bob to check the one-day reg, and let the phone ring awhile, he may be out in the field.) Contact Bob Luzader at (352) 589-4606 for further info and directions. Attendees can stay overnight on the grounds (verify this with Bob); Bring your tent. Hotel rooms available (~$38./night) in the nearby town of Eustis. I do highly recommend this excellent conference to anyone seeking further usable, practical information on Biodynamic or Sustainable farming methods. Regards, Linda PS: This message posted also on the US Organic Agriculture Message Board at: http://www.paradise-web.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=lray. and on the BDNOW and Sanet Mailing Lists. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 11:20:00 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA10981 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA17431; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd103.hotmail.com [207.82.252.167]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA16809 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2154 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 1999 16:11:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990126161108.2153.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.146.195.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:11:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.146.195.2] From: "lloyd kinder" To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: glyphosate Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:11:07 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 Hi Margaret. Re epilepsy, IAHP, which has successfully worked with curing brain-injured kids of all kinds, even Downs kids, has a report called [I think] "A Bill of Particulars on Seizures and the Discontinuance of Anti-convulsant Drugs." I think their website is www.iahp.org. The report says anti-convulsant drugs cause convulsions to get worse in the long run. They ask parents to take their kids off of these drugs and to adopt a nutritious diet. They used to favor a vegetarian diet, but I don't know if that's still true. They certainly advise against junk foods. Best wishes for your daughter. Aloha. Lloyd >Hi there >I am a new member to bdnow and would like some up- to- date info on the >effects of glyphosate on people. >My 18yr old daughter became epileptic approx 12months ago and by accident >she found it is 'Round Up' (which has the active ingredient gyyphosate) >which causes her epilepsy. ... >Margaret ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Jan 26 11:59:44 1999 Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA12130 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA22082 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:59:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shasta.ces.ncsu.edu: majord set sender to owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu using -f Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22068 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07490 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.70.20.176]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990126155830.ETXG23625@default>; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:58:30 +0000 Message-ID: <36ADE84C.234B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:07:40 -0500 From: Linda Ray Organization: Linda Ray Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org CC: LINDARAY@worldnet.att.net, sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Notice: Biodynamic Farming Conference in Eustis, Florida X-URL: http://www.paradise-web.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=lray&id=15621.224963454105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 Dear Listfolk, A two-day annual Conference on the principles and practical usage of Biodynamic Farming methods will take place in Eustis, Florida on January 30-31, 1999, at the Farm of Bob Luzader. Several very experienced BD authors and longtime farmers will be there, with tons of practical farming information to share and discuss with attendees. Both days consist of several lectures, demonstrations and practical, experiential workshops taught by experienced farmers using BD methods. Attendees to this annual gathering include beekeepers, farmer/dowsers, small family farmers, organic and sustainable farmers, veterinarians, nurserymen and home gardeners. All attendees are encouraged to bring their questions, observations and ideas. All who have an interest in Biodynamics or who seek further information about this method of farming/stewardship in harmony with the energies of Nature are welcome to attend. Registration is $50. for the weekend, and $25 or something close to that for a single day (Call Bob to check the one-day reg, and let the phone ring awhile, he may be out in the field.) Contact Bob Luzader at (352) 589-4606 for further info and directions. Attendees can stay overnight on the grounds (verify this with Bob); Bring your tent. Hotel rooms available (~$38./night) in the nearby town of Eustis. I do highly recommend this excellent conference to anyone seeking further usable, practical information on Biodynamic or Sustainable farming methods. Regards, Linda PS: This message posted also on the US Organic Agriculture Message Board at: http://www.paradise-web.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=lray. and on the BDNOW and Sanet Mailing Lists. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". All messages to sanet-mg are archived at: http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 12:54:36 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA13856 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA03062; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from halifax.chebucto.ns.ca (halifax.chebucto.ns.Ca [192.75.95.75]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02689 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from av204@localhost by halifax.chebucto.ns.ca id <33422-675>; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:47:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:47:26 -0400 (AST) Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org From: Joan Macdonald Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: Ringworm in Cattle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: av204@chebucto.ns.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 Hi All; In response to ringworm in cattle: On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Intergalactic Garage wrote: > > Levi, > Ringworm infection often signals an underlying stress or nutritional > deficiency - we see this infection most commonly during the winter, when > cattle are being fed stored feeds (hay, silage, etc.). Often, these feeds > are low in Vitamin A - either it was present in low levels when the feed > was put up, or it has degraded over time. Fungal infection can only occur if the skin environment has been damaged. The skin has a protective coating of lactic acid and this, together with normal sebum production, has a fungicidal action. But chronic infections sometimes are stubborn, ringworm is treatable so persistance is needed. As mentioned above, the diet should be reviewed and adjusted. In homeopathic terms, the 'terrain' needs to be improved, restoring the abnormal body metabolism and then the skin function will come back to normal. Nutritionally, a natural supplement with kelp meal, Vit A, E, Selenium (if in a low area). Digestive enzymes are helpful. Topically used for ringworm: Tea Tree Oil, Echinacea (acts indirectly on the fungal mycelium), Hypericum ointment reduces itching. Remembering the ringworm is an expression of an internal 'disorder' or imbalance...if the animal was 'in health' the body would have the natural immunity to heal itself. Homeopathic homeopathic remedies to improve the animal's resistance: - Bacillinum is the primary ringworm remedy - Sepia when circular patches are more on the body than the head, - Tellurium has a beneficial effect on the skin - Kali arsenicum for dry scurfy scab-like lesions, will prevent the formation of leathery skin - Chrysarobinum is for scaly, crusty eruptions around ears and eyes. In the natural health field, experience has shown that chemical drugs only prolong the disease, as they have the tendency to suppress the symptoms and have internal side effects. With persistance, some wholistic reading and reviewing your cattle's overall nutritional program for the winter, the ringworm should be managable. Joan Macdonald DIHom R Hom Halifax, Nova Scotia Email: av204@chebucto.ns.ca > ======================================================================== > > BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, > dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, food > that promotes human development. > > To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to > > listproc@envirolink.org > > In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): > > subscribe bdnow > > If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com > > a message to listproc@envirolink.org From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 13:05:51 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA14252 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA05026; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.niehs.nih.gov (root@cliff.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.8.7]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04593 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from della.niehs.nih.gov (della.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.14.42]) by cliff.niehs.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1/NIEHS-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA27729 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:58:43 -0500 Received: by della.niehs.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:57:00 -0500 Message-ID: <8DD3D27DC6A5D111823200A0C955FB4001C2CF1F@drucker.niehs.nih.gov> From: "James.Olivia" To: "'bdnow@envirolink.org'" Subject: RE: Ringworm in Cattle Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:56:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 i realize this is premature and uninformed and all that but here's a thought... anyone familiar with the yeast connection? ringworm is one of the manifestations of an overgrowth of yeast in humans...could our bovine friends have this trouble too?? and if so, are we getting it from their meat or are we all just getting it together? i find that an interesting thought -- i'm not expecting any answers. unless BD is the answer. :-) > ---------- > From: Intergalactic Garage > Reply To: bdnow@envirolink.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 9:35 AM > To: bdnow@envirolink.org > Subject: Re: Ringworm in Cattle > > > > Ringworm has been a problem on our ranch with our showstring of registered > Santa Gertrudis cattle. I will be interested in seeing the traffic on > this > issue. > > We treat with MILD iodine/captan (garden plant antifungal)/novalsan spray > or paste (arioound eyese yse paste) EVERY OTHER day for a week or 2. > Seems > to do the job but ringworm spreads like wildfire so new areas crop up. > Keep your animal isolated during active cases or the whole herd will have > ringworm. > > My vet suggests eliminating the iodine because it is easy to remove hair > with even a mild iodine mixture. I still use the iodine in hopes I can > clear up sooner. Beware, use mild (say 1/2 %) and every other day. > > HayWire Ranch > Republic of Texas > > > > > > >Hello, > > > >I am a 16 year old farm boy from Alberta, Canada, and presently own a few > >breeding cows. My father found that my two year old cow just recently > formed > >ringworm patches around her eyes. I noticed the letters being exchanged > >regarding ringworm in humans and wondered if perhaps anyone had any > >information on a treatment for ringworm on cows. My father and I were > going > >to apply an antibacterial type cream to her soars but if there was an > >alternative I could try and experiment with I would try it first. > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Sincerly, > >Levi Blumhagen > > > > > > > >========================================================================= > == > > > >BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, > >dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, > food > >that promotes human development. > > > >To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to > > > >listproc@envirolink.org > > > >In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): > > > >subscribe bdnow > > > >If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com > > > > of > >a message to listproc@envirolink.org > > From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 14:41:29 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA18197 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA23291; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA22691 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from garudix ([203.96.109.150]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990126193408.GUJR678125.mta2-rme@garudix> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:34:08 +1300 Message-ID: <36AE18CE.2DEA@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:34:39 +1300 From: Glen Atkinson & Christy Hartlage Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Organization: Garuda NZ ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: JT: Hydrogen the carrier of the ego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 Jim Thank you very much for your response to my article. I enjoy your feedback, however I see little point in replying directly to it. I will however address aspects of your replies when dealing with other replies. We (you and I) are such an example of what Lievegeod outlines as the difficulty of the Rosicrucian and the Anthroposophist that it is a waste of my time and energies to enter 'the endless argument' in this way. It is wonderful you bring up your rebuttals and I look forward to many more in the future. May my postings long act as stimulation for the expression of your 'correct' view of the matter. I am sure all concerned can benefit from their consideration of your thoughts and my experience. Glen Atkinson. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 15:37:43 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA21240 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA03757; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03270 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.190.150.57] (pm3mbr3-67-153.intrepid.net [206.102.67.153]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17206 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:30:37 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:30:51 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: Re: Ringworm in Cattle Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 > My father found that my two year old cow just recently formed > ringworm patches around her eyes. Levi, A helpful post from your country that I saved indicated that Crest toothpaste(Floristan) applied with a brush to affected areas will soon grow hair again. It helps to remove all the loose stuff you can with a brush first. We tried it a week ago, and sure enough, the hair is growing back already. Good luck! Your name would fit in well with the neighboring amish. Several Levi's around here. Dennis Lindell Grass Dairyfarmer Harmony,MN USA dairydel@means.net To join the Graze-R list, kindly go to: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/graze-r or http://www.onelist.com and search "grazing". For juno users w/o internet access, send a request to me. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 15:52:20 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA21844 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06464; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.infohouse.com (mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06311 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from cds1y.webcity ([208.138.96.26]) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:53:47 -0500 From: Jane Sherry/wcdev/US Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:46:41 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Interns Wanted Message-ID: <05BC1D30C629E77785256704007F9A10.001349B185256705@webcity> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 Sarah Milstein on 01/25/99 05:08:46 PM To: csa-l@prairienet.org cc: Subject: Interns Wanted I would appreciate it if somebody on the CSA list could post this message to SANET, and to any other lists where it would appropriate (and wouldn't constitute spamming). Thanks! --Sarah INTERNS WANTED - Roxbury Farm Roxbury Farm offers opportunities to be involved in all aspects of production on a well established, financially successful, mechanized farm, and to work with and learn from a farmer with twenty years of growing experience and a commitment to teaching. Roxbury Farm is a 190-acre biodynamic farm near Hudson, NY with 25 acres in vegetable production for a Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) membership of 675 shareholders located in Manhattan, Albany, and Columbia County, NY. Livestock provides for a portion of the farm's fertility needs and supplies meat to our members. The farm has been operated from its inception in 1990 by Jean-Paul Courtens, who is joined in 1999 by Sarah Shapiro. Interns interact with the local farm community through our participation in the Collaborative Regional Alliance for Farmer Training (CRAFT) program, a six month program in which interns visit twelve organic and biodynamic farms in the region. Roxbury Farm provides on-farm housing with a full kitchen and washing machine, all farm food crops, a food purchasing budget, a $300/month stipend, and Workers Compensation, for three interns during the growing season. People with a strong interest and work ethic shoulc contact Jean-Paul Courtens or Sarah Shapiro at: 518-851-2056, 518-851-3809, or write to us at roxbury@mhonline.net or 81 Roxbury Road, Hudson, NY 12534 From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 16:34:03 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id QAA24153 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA13407; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f98.hotmail.com [207.82.250.217]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA12897 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12644 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 1999 21:25:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990126212543.12643.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.144.107.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:25:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.144.107.12] From: "Michael Smith" To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: Hydrogen the carrier of the ego Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:25:42 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 Glen, Somehow, I've lost the initial study title, "Hydrogen the carrier of the ego", but anyhow of what benefit can this be to the study? I will agree that hydrogen is a carrier, but what form of hydrogen are we discussing? I believe that in the lectures that Steiner said water is the carrier of all nutruents, and water itself is a composite of hydrogen and oxygen. However not all water is the same. Water comming from a spring is much more dense with abundant minerals more so than that of comming from a water plant that is chemically treated to remove life forms. I do not think you are interested in drinking water from the ocean either. I feel that if we are going to study hydrogen then it is necessary to look at it in a complexed form. In rethinking RSs' statement that "water is the carrier of all nutrients", it appears that it would be more to the point to say, "water carries nutrients". Why? Because of the context of the "carrier". It can carry nutrients off soil by leaching. The modern chemist loves the previous statement due to the fact that it gives credence to the water solubility approach to plant feeding. The misconception is that water flushes the water solubile fert. into the plant root, when we know that the plant root searches through soil zones for the nutrient it needs and then trades a little acid to the clay for its' supper. Now going back to the "carrier". Just because water or hydrogen is a carrier does not give a shaping funtion to its' existence. It has the ability to be molded to a variety of forms. Many of the other elements become attatched to it through hydrogens movements. I feel that carrier too could also be termed as "vehicle". Vehicles are modes of transmission and sometimes carry other objects in their bodies. So if it is an apparatus for transmission, then it can take on other properties when condensing into matter. RS also said that in primeval days that air was much more dense then than it is currently and water much less denser. So with the age of the planet we are seeing a solidification of hydrogen into different forms of matter. Hydrogen taken in this sense more appeals to me again because we are looking then at its composite forms. This also too has more practical associations. What am I doing when I stirr up a batch of preps? I am stirring a batch of H2O in with preps of certain chemical properties. In the main, I also may be mixing oxygen from air into the batch, creating new things from bonding of prep, oxygen and H2O. I wonder has anyone ever weighed the entire prep including the vessel before stirring and then after? I wonder is it a loss or gain. Cheers,, Michael. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 17:15:14 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA25637 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA19274; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.triax.com (postoffice@mail.triax.com [209.222.164.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18840 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cyrix-166 ([209.222.163.80]) by mail.triax.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-41958U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA2767 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:57:24 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990126133825.03bd7670@pop.igc.apc.org> X-Sender: bcarter@pop.igc.apc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:38:25 -0700 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Barry Carter Subject: Re: Hydrogen the carrier of the ego In-Reply-To: <19990126212543.12643.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 Dear Friends, At 01:25 PM 1/26/99 PST, you wrote: >So if it is an apparatus for transmission, then it can take on other >properties when condensing into matter. RS also said that in primeval >days that air was much more dense then than it is currently and water >much less denser. So with the age of the planet we are seeing a >solidification of hydrogen into different forms of matter. Hydrogen >taken in this sense more appeals to me again because we are looking then >at its composite forms. This also too has more practical associations. > >What am I doing when I stirr up a batch of preps? I am stirring a batch >of H2O in with preps of certain chemical properties. In the main, I >also may be mixing oxygen from air into the batch, creating new things >from bonding of prep, oxygen and H2O. Apparently a new form of hydrogen has been discovered and measured. This form of hydrogen is called the "hydrino" and it can be compounded with other elements. The hydrino is denser than hydrogen but less dense than helium. More information on the properties and uses of the hydrino can be found at: http://www.blacklightpower.com/index.html -- With kindest regards, Barry Carter Blue Mountain Native Forest Alliance WEB Page: http://www.triax.com/bmnfa/index.htm Voice: 541-523-3357 Fax: 541-523-9438 Stupidity got us into this mess -- why can't it get us out? From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 17:20:29 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id RAA25760 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA20059; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from fatman.acay.com.au (root@acay.com.au [203.7.132.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19735 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from acay.com.au (windarra@acay0191244.acay.com.au [203.19.124.4]) by fatman.acay.com.au (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA11763 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:28:49 +1100 From: Margaret Kemp To: bdnow@envirolink.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:13:09 +1100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: thank you Lloyd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 34 Hi there Lloyd, We live in Aust. and I don't know what IAHP is. Thank you for your advice on anti-convulsants. We found a good homeopath and got Helen off the med. from the neurologist. Helen only has problems when she is near RoundUp. We have had feed back from other people advising that it may be the surfactant rather than the glyphsate. We will probably never know. This has led us down the track of BD which is a wonderful new way for us. We are in the process of trying to become chemical free on our farm. My daughter doesn't need any med now that she knows what the cause is. She is starting university this year, doing a degree in Environmental Science. She eats avery good diet and is very mindful of the need for good nutrition which has no doubt helped her. Thank you again. Margaret From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 19:10:01 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id TAA00856 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA06690; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd101.hotmail.com [207.82.252.165]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA06466 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11692 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 1999 00:03:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990127000313.11691.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.146.195.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:03:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.146.195.2] From: "lloyd kinder" To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: thank you Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:03:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 35 Hi Margaret. I lived in Austin a few months in '87 and early '88. I was friends with some of the Quakers there, called Friends. My bro and I are just getting into biodynamics ourselves. Glad to hear of Helen's progress. It took me a long time to get off of junk food, maybe 9 years. I finally had to join overeaters anonymous. Aloha. Lloyd >Hi there Lloyd, >We live in Aust. and I don't know what IAHP is. Thank you for your advice on >anti-convulsants. We found a good homeopath and got Helen off the med. from >the neurologist. Helen only has problems when she is near RoundUp. We have >had feed back from other people advising that it may be the surfactant >rather than the glyphsate. We will probably never know. This has led us >down the track of BD which is a wonderful new way for us. We are in the >process of trying to become chemical free on our farm. My daughter doesn't >need any med now that she knows what the cause is. She is starting >university this year, doing a degree in Environmental Science. She eats >avery good diet and is very mindful of the need for good nutrition which >has no doubt helped her. >Thank you again. >Margaret > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Tue Jan 26 23:23:07 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA05569 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA05161; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04923 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from garudix ([203.96.109.129]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990127041446.IHOX682101.mta1-rme@garudix> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:14:46 +1300 Message-ID: <36AE9310.6A29@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:16:16 +1300 From: Glen Atkinson & Christy Hartlage Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Organization: Garuda NZ ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Study:Hydrogen and the Ego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 > Somehow, I've lost the initial study title, "Hydrogen the carrier of the > ego", but anyhow of what benefit can this be to the study? The benefit of this to our study is that there is this very simple and neat association of the spiritual activiites to the elements of protein. As much as we may wish to discuss the ways in which the spiritual activities work into the various kingdoms of nature, ( which each havce their own querks) I feel sure we can see a basic relationship between the spirits relationship to Hydrogen, Nitrogen to the Astral body, the etheric to Oxygen and the physical to carbon, as stated by RS. Which brings us to his statement that the chemical constitution of any environment indicates the spiritual activity of that environment. Hence a whole new way of looking at chemistry and lifeforms. I will > agree that hydrogen is a carrier, but what form of hydrogen are we > discussing? I would suggest Hydrogen in its pure form (H). Start mixing it with other elements and you start carrying some of that activity as well. eg water H20. We have both the spirits activity mixed with an etheric activity which is very similiar in 'context' to the eastern definition of CHI, where the eternal spirit and life force are seen as one creative force behind lifeforms. Cheers Glen A. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Wed Jan 27 00:46:56 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id AAA06770 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13211; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12879 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from XTRA.CO.NZ ([210.55.167.29]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with ESMTP id <19990127053841.LVKE678125.mta2-rme@XTRA.CO.NZ> for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:38:41 +1300 Message-ID: <36AEA5EB.EF26C299@XTRA.CO.NZ> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:36:43 +1300 From: Jim Thomson Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: JT: Hydrogen the carrier of the ego References: <36AE18CE.2DEA@xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 37 Glen Atkinson & Christy Hartlage wrote: > Jim > > Thank you very much for your response to my article. I enjoy your > feedback, however I see little point in replying directly to it. I will > however address aspects of your replies when dealing with other replies. > > We (you and I) are such an example of what Lievegeod outlines as the > difficulty of the Rosicrucian and the Anthroposophist that it is a waste > of my time and energies to enter 'the endless argument' in this way. > > It is wonderful you bring up your rebuttals and I look forward to many > more in the future. May my postings long act as stimulation for the > expression of your 'correct' view of the matter. I am sure all concerned > can benefit from their consideration of your thoughts and my experience. > > Glen Atkinson. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Correction: All concerned (with the on-line study) will benefit from the objective presentation of the facts according to Steiner's Spiritual Science as opposed to your subjective "imaginative experiences". JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Wed Jan 27 04:55:51 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id EAA08778 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 04:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA27899; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 04:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from fatman.acay.com.au (root@acay.com.au [203.7.132.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA27819 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 04:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from acay.com.au (windarra@acay019124102.acay.com.au [203.19.124.102]) by fatman.acay.com.au (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07534 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:03:37 +1100 From: Margaret Kemp To: bdnow@envirolink.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:49:16 +1100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Aust. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38 Hi Lloyd, Sorry if I confused you, Aust. is short for Australia. That's why I don't know what IAHP is. Thanks again for the info you gave me I'm glad to hear of so many people doing things the natural way. Regards Margaret From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Wed Jan 27 08:07:33 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA10463 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA05770; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix.infoserve.net (780@unix.infoserve.net [199.175.157.2]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA05586 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mroboz@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA23775 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:02:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:02:28 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Roboz To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: OFF / GEN1-27 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 39 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:41:27 -0500 From: Richard Wolfson To: info@natural-law.ca Subject: GEN1-27 Here are some activist articles ......... SUPERMARKET LOYALTY CARDS TO TRACK GM FOOD THREAT Public to be guinea pigs in GM food experiment The Government is planning to use supermarket loyalty cards to help investigate the possible health impacts of eating genetically modified (GM) food. Official minutes show that discussions have already taken place with Sainsbury's, Tesco and Safeway who have "agreed in principle". The move will undermine confidence in the claim that there are no health concerns associated with GM food. The plans are outlined in the latest minutes (10 December) of the Government's official Advisory Committee on Novel Foods and Processes (ACNFP). Information on GM foods would be made available "in a form that can be analysed on a product by product basis at postcode level." Using health databases the information would be used to find out whether eating GM foods is linked to illness. The study would specifically look for increases in childhood allergies, cancer, birth defects and hospital admissions. There are around 30 million loyalty card-carrying customers in the UK. Customers are told that information gathered with the cards will not be passed on to third parties. Pete Riley, Food Campaigner at Friends of the Earth said: "If the Government is so concerned over the health impacts of genetically modified foods they shouldn't be introducing them. Supermarket customers will be outraged to discover that they are to be part of a massive public health experiment on GM foods. Despite the fact that their customers have made it clear that they don't want supermarkets to sell GM foods, it is clear that they are not only being ignored; but their loyalty is being abused as well. Supermarkets must decide whose interests they are protecting: their customers or the big biotech firms?" Despite public concern over GM foods the Government has been planning a pro-GM propaganda campaign with leading supermarkets. Last week Friends of the Earth revealed that the Government had discussed the possibility of running a pro-GM food video campaign at supermarket checkouts. Friends of the Earth has also attacked the Government for allowing Science Minister Lord Sainsbury to be involved with decisions over GM food. Lord Sainsbury has various links with the GM food industry. In October a NOP survey for Friends of the Earth revealed that 58 per cent of supermarket customers did not want their supermarkets to sell GM food. .......... "Hambling, Joyce" (by way of genetics ) Subject: GE - LEADING FOOD WRITERS DEMAND ANSWERS FROM BLAIR ON GENE FOOD For immediate release: 26th January 1999 LEADING FOOD WRITERS DEMAND ANSWERS FROM BLAIR ON GENE FOOD Over 120 of Britain and Ireland's leading food writers today challenged Tony Blair to put consumer's health and the environment before the interests of the agrochemical industry' and ban genetically engineered (GE) food. Speaking at the launch of the Greenpeace food writers campaign against genetic engineering, food writer Lynda Brown told a packed Savoy Hotel that it was time to challenge Tony Blair, "We shall be writing to Tony Blair to inform him of the strength of feeling amongst food writers against gene foods and asking him for once, to put the interests of the consumers ahead of the agrochemical companies. Up to now Tony Blair has only listened to the Monsantos of this world. He cannot ignore the huge public concern over gene foods any more - or the potential recipe for disaster they pose. We are at a turning point. Which way will this people's politician jump?". Also attending the launch was MP Alan Simpson who urged Greenpeace and the food writers to bring their campaign to Parliament, which he described as out of touch with public concern on the issue. He said, "I have heard more relevant discussion here today than I've ever heard in Parliament on the issue of genetic engineering". The Greenpeace campaign has gained the support of over 120 leading food writers who have pledged to oppose the use of GE food in their recipes, books and columns and to encourage restaurants to avoid the use of GE products. The campaign will expand to include chefs, growers, gardeners, consumers, anyone with an interest in food and the environment. Greenpeace Campaign Director John Sauven said of today's challenge "We shall wait to hear from Tony Blair with interest. He can't sit on the fence about this one any longer, food affects everyone and he has to take sides; does he care about consumers and the environment or about the agrochemical industry." The launch was held at the Savoy Hotel in London this morning (26th January). ends For further information please contact the Greenpeace Press Office on 0171-865 8255/6/7/8 ....... posted by Hugh Warwick (by way of genetics ) GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS: UNNECESSARY, UNWANTED, UNSAFE Today, Wednesday 27th January at 4pm, Environment Minister Michael Meacher will see the launch of an influential report on the use of genetic engineering in British agriculture at the House of Commons. The report is the result of the first 'Citizens' Jury' on the subject of food. Twelve randomly selected members of the British public were brought together. And over ten weekly meetings, they interrogat