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From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 11:18:07 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA17477 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA00287; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from swiss.direct.ca (swiss.direct.ca [199.60.229.2]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00155 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sqa-25-0108.direct.ca ([204.244.83.8] helo=direct.ca) by swiss.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10LqwJ-0002Wh-00 for bdnow@envirolink.org; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:07:10 -0800 Message-ID: <36EA8C89.49E9AF66@direct.ca> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:04:25 -0800 From: Ferdinand Vondruska Organization: C-Dar World Forest Foundation REG#89 103 0348 RR0001 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: OFF: unable to receive/send mail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 The challenge is an additional one. I am trying to receive some 20 - 40 posts and store them. Then, I go through them step by step and either discharge them or answer. The answer I store in order to send it the next day - but what really irks me is the fact that (at times) my system or the connection or whatever breaks down and a long night's work is gone. Ferdinand Intergalactic Garage wrote: > >Dear friends, > > > >Living in the boonies has its disadvantages, too. My server does not > >have enough lines and I can only receive or send posts for about 4 - 5 > >hours per night. So, if you do not hear from you that much any longer, > >it is the server that has 'cut me out'. In the past I could 'digest' > >posts on an ongoing basis. At the moment there is a line : user > >relationship of 1:20 which is far too high. Regards Ferdinand > > Everyone: > > Many of us are faced with this problem. A remedy is on the horizon. Many of > the national long distance companies are offering internet connections as > part of your regular service. You might want to check in with AT&T or > Sprint, and so on. > > -Allan Balliett > igg@igg.com -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C-DAR HOUSE - A CENTRE FOR THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE VOICE OF THE FOREST INTO AN UNDERSTANDING OF ITS SOUL THROUGH THE ARTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH C-DAR WORLD FOREST FOUNDATION, A REGISTERED CHARITY. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 11:25:27 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA17549 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01112; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00834 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:12:19 -0500 (EST) From: PatandLiz@aol.com Received: from PatandLiz@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hEMOa14074 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:14:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33ae8fa4.36ea8ed3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:14:11 EST To: BDnow@envirolink.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Opportunity Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 Cornucopia Farms in Malibu, Ca. is looking for a BD farmer to start a CSA and educate school kids and adults. They are a non-profit outfit and have a generous salary to go with the job. Growing sites amount to about 16 acres and are discontiguous. Growing is year 'round in the coastal climate. Many grocery stores and restaurants will forward all compostable scraps for a community compost venture. Contact me for more info. Patrick From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 11:34:38 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA17672 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01816; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from swiss.direct.ca (swiss.direct.ca [199.60.229.2]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01642 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from sqa-25-0108.direct.ca ([204.244.83.8] helo=direct.ca) by swiss.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10LrDY-0003J6-00 for bdnow@envirolink.org; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:24:52 -0800 Message-ID: <36EA90BB.238C48AB@direct.ca> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:22:19 -0800 From: Ferdinand Vondruska Organization: C-Dar World Forest Foundation REG#89 103 0348 RR0001 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: banding, docking, and de-horning & etheric forces References: <1215265F5B24@agecon.uga.edu> <36E930F5.70718922@direct.ca> <36E948EE.8D4DE3F9@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 My dear friend Rex, 18 years ago I had a son (who is now 25) who had the most deformed teeth arrangement one could imagine. I went to a dentist (in Germany) who happened to be an Anthroposophist. We discussed Chris' teeth and he said to me: There are two possibilities 1. We tear, re-set, brace and file or 2. You do Eurythmie (Dr. Steiner's movement) with him for a long time. IN the morning, for 10 minutes. Well, my son and I did it for 2 - 3 years. His teeth have re-arranged themselves totally. You see, Rex, the formative forces in our children (and animals) are starting to lose their connection to the creative centre (if one can simplify it that way). It is like an artist gone bonkers on a canvas without direction any longer. And so, the formative forces are 'painting' all over the place creating deformations in the most sensitive areas (and that, funny enough are the teeth and the skull). Here, the most intensive, the most exacting (again, if one want to call it that way) work has to be done (millimeter, thens of a millimeter work) so that the teeth fit onto each other. Well, if we do NOT love the creation, we will not go to work with it over long(er) periods of time. We are going to be challenged in our hearts. Cutting, trimming, operating, stunting, hacking etc. etc. are short term solutions which, as far as I am concerned, does not demand much love but rather technical know-how (well, a bit of love, too - to learn the techniqe). However, when you do Euruthmy with a child OR work eurythmically with nature, you have to become one with it first so that you may understand it better. You have to give up your (technical, preconceived) ideas and 'suffer' with the creation first BEFORE you can offer (short lived) solutions. Dr. Steiner's indications are indications for the very long term. Of course, we can see changes within a year or two when applying BD Preparations, however, the very long term changes will only become known in many, many generations. Again, much more could be said. Regards Ferdinand Rex Harrill wrote: > Ferdinand Vondruska wrote "Let me say this": > > > The tail of any animal is connected to is psyche. Every animal expresses > > its feelings via its tail. I can see that with my (small brain Ostriches) > > and my dogs, the cat, horses, cows and all. If you cut that part of or > > shorten it, the animal tends to get out of balance. Nature would take > > care of this by eliminating such 'a creation'. Sheep that cannot signal > > their pleasure or displeasure to their mates would, eventually, be > > eliminated by the wolf. > > > > Of course, mankind has done a lot of diforming of animals by Xbreeding, > > off-breeding, inbreeding, outbreeding and so forth. Most animals that we > > call domesticated would likely not survive by themselves in nature for > > long. It is likely that (if such breeds would survive for a while) future > > generations would start to 'approximate' their ancestors again. > > > > My sister is breeding Rottweiler (dogs) and by law (in Switzerland) and > > as of the year 2000 tails must NOT be cut any longer. What a different > > looking dog a Rottweiler with a long tail is. It is mindboggling. And > > now, by the 'power of this long tail' the entire pivoting point of the > > dog is shifting to the back. It is as if a new organ (i.e. the old one) > > has been added again and it is MUCH easier to read this dog again. > > > > Much more could be said. > > MUCH MORE COULD BE SAID! Good grief, must you contiually astound me? Can we stretch your > thought to cover the pitifully thin facial organs of so many of today's mineral-poor children? > Can we go so far as to recognize that pulling children's wisdom teeth and using tortuous metal > braces to reform their very skull bones is as barbaric as cutting off Rottweilers' tails? Can > we finally understand that we are castrating our children by not providing them abundant > mineral-rich fare? > > I *really* appreciated this post. Right now I'm wondering if there is a long line of would-be > apprentices forming for the no-pay privilege of working shoulder-to-shoulder for a season with > a man who sees the universe in marvelous light. > > Regards, > Rex Harrill -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C-DAR HOUSE - A CENTRE FOR THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE VOICE OF THE FOREST INTO AN UNDERSTANDING OF ITS SOUL THROUGH THE ARTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH C-DAR WORLD FOREST FOUNDATION, A REGISTERED CHARITY. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 12:01:22 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA17990 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA04156; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anat.ncds.net (anat.ncds.net [207.250.242.12]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03921 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pavilion (p00-21.ffxp.ncds.net [207.250.242.176]) by anat.ncds.net (8.8.7/8.8.7-sp) with SMTP id KAA17219 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:52:23 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01be6d82$d34d7f00$b0f2facf@pavilion> From: "parker" To: Subject: zodiac-help-glen Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:52:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE6D3F.8DA4AF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE6D3F.8DA4AF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Glen- Oh how I wrestle and am fascinated with the planting calendar. I'm = trying to understand the concept that I copy below. If every 72 years we = drop 1 degree, after 2000 I figure we would drop 1 degree 27.777 times. = Now forgive me for being a fool but did the Greek calendar start with O = A.D., and how did Mrs. Henderson get 2000 years in 1989. So where are we = actually right now in 1999, and what does this say for a person born = December 3 of 1966. Am I not really a Sagittarius? This could shake some = things up for me, I have thought myself to be so typical of a Fire sign. = Will I have to change my ways? With stars, Parker Biodynamics: New directions for Farming and Gardening in New Zealand New Zealand Biodynamic Assoc. 1989 The Greek civilisation introduced the =91tropical=92 zodiac; an equal = division of the full 360 degree circle of the zodiac into 12 parts of 30 = degrees. In speaking about the zodiac, there is often some confusion over the use = of the terms =91constellations=92 and =91signs=92. When the Greeks = worked out their calendar, the vernal point stood at 0 degrees in the = sign of Aries, the star picture of the Ram. (The vernal point is the = position in the sky behind the rising sun on the spring equinox = (Northern Hemisphere). However, the cycle from one spring equinox to = another (tropical year) is approxiamately 20 minutes shorter than the = sun takes to return to a same fixed star (sidereal year). In other = words, the equinox is happening each year before the sun has reached the = same place in the zodiac as the previous year. Hence after 72 years the = sun at the equinox no longer rises in exactly the same place in the sky, = but one degree before. Thus, in the 2000 years since the Greeks, the = vernal point has moved into the previous sign; at present it is 16 = degrees Pisces, the star picture of the Fishes. Modern astrologers, = however, take no notice of what we can observe in the sky, but continue = to call the present vernal point =910 degrees Aries=92. Thus the names = for the astrological =91signs=92 no longer correlate with their star = pictures i.e. what can actually be seen in the sky. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE6D3F.8DA4AF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Glen-
Oh how I wrestle and am fascinated = with the=20 planting calendar. I'm trying to understand the concept that I copy = below. If=20 every 72 years we drop 1 degree, after 2000 I figure we would drop 1 = degree=20 27.777 times. Now forgive me for being a fool but did the Greek calendar = start=20 with O A.D., and how did Mrs. Henderson get 2000 years in 1989. So where = are we=20 actually right now in 1999, and what does this say for a person born = December 3=20 of 1966. Am I not really a Sagittarius? This could shake some things up = for me,=20 I have thought myself to be so typical of a Fire sign. Will I have to = change my=20 ways?
 
With stars,
Parker

Biodynamics: New directions for Farming and Gardening in New = Zealand

New Zealand Biodynamic Assoc. 1989

The Greek civilisation introduced the ‘tropical’ zodiac; = an equal=20 division of the full 360 degree circle of the zodiac into 12 parts of 30 = degrees.

In speaking about the zodiac, there is often some confusion over the = use of=20 the terms ‘constellations’ and ‘signs’. When the = Greeks=20 worked out their calendar, the vernal point stood at 0 degrees in the = sign of=20 Aries, the star picture of the Ram. (The vernal point is the position in = the sky=20 behind the rising sun on the spring equinox (Northern Hemisphere). = However, the=20 cycle from one spring equinox to another (tropical year) is = approxiamately 20=20 minutes shorter than the sun takes to return to a same fixed star = (sidereal=20 year). In other words, the equinox is happening each year before = the sun=20 has reached the same place in the zodiac as the previous year. Hence = after 72=20 years the sun at the equinox no longer rises in exactly the same place = in the=20 sky, but one degree before. Thus, in the 2000 years since the Greeks, = the vernal=20 point has moved into the previous sign; at present it is 16 degrees = Pisces, the=20 star picture of the Fishes. Modern astrologers, however, take no notice = of what=20 we can observe in the sky, but continue to call the present vernal point = ‘0 degrees Aries’. Thus the names for the astrological=20 ‘signs’ no longer correlate with their star pictures i.e. = what can=20 actually be seen in the sky.

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE6D3F.8DA4AF20-- From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 12:22:27 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA18216 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA06181; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06007 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer - 153.37.26.86 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:12:47 -0800 Message-ID: <001501be6d74$522457e0$561a2599@oemcomputer> From: "Dr. Andrew Lorand" To: Subject: OFF: CSA Opportunity Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:09:13 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 Dear Friends, Please, if you can, send me more specific information on this opportunity - as I would like to pass it on to the over 250 students I am working with at SRJC this semester (most of whom are adults i.e. older than the usual college crowd - many of which already have some experience). Do you have a flier? We have on-going courses right now on CSA, organic/ecological gardening (vegetables), commercial organic composting, organic specialty crop production (fruits, flowers & herbs), organic viticulture and ecological resource management at our college's 365 acre farm. We will also be offering advanced organic vegetable and fruit growing course in summer - so there a good sized group to canvas for potential farmers. We also have a very nice biodynamic community education program developing here (non-college-related) with roughly thirty participants - many of whom may also be interested. We'll be having another workshop fairly soon, so I could pass out fliers there too. Thanks and the best of luck finding just the right folks! Cheers, Andrew From london@metalab.unc.edu Sat Mar 13 15:44:08 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA20630 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA24327; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rtfm.midcoast.com (root@dns.midcoast.com [206.26.226.15]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24021 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from jpt (liberty-c-017.midcoast.com [208.153.20.117]) by rtfm.midcoast.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26990 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:33:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990313151549.007b4300@midcoast.com> X-Sender: stgeorge@midcoast.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:15:49 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: "John P. Thomas and Kathleen Barrett" Subject: Re: banding, docking, and de-horning & etheric forces In-Reply-To: <36EA90BB.238C48AB@direct.ca> References: <1215265F5B24@agecon.uga.edu> <36E930F5.70718922@direct.ca> <36E948EE.8D4DE3F9@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 Dear Rex, Ferdinand, and others, One of the most powerful books I have found which connects nutrition with dental health and/or dental degeneration is "NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL DEGENERATION" by Weston A. Price DDS, 512 pages. In the early 1930s Dr. Price and his wife traveled to every corner of the world to study the diets and health of 14 isolated native tribes in Africa, South America, Australia, Polynesia, as well as North American Indians and Eskimos. He compared the health of groups who only ate their historical native diet with people of the same tribe who ate diets of commerce -- white flour, white sugar, and processed foods. From the data, including hundreds of photographs, the Prices produced one of the most significant books on nutrition ever published. Its thesis, that the naturally chosen "primitive" diet promoted health and that the modern "civilized" diet, led to rapid degeneration of overall health and physical structure, was revolutionary for its time and far from generally accepted. The wealth of evidence and fascinating detail Dr. Price provides is as informative and valuable today as it was half a century ago. His investigations showed that it takes only one generation of eating a "Westernized" diet to produce severe dental caries, malformed jawbones, and misaligned teeth. Dr. Price practiced dentistry in Cleveland, Ohio. He died in 1948. The Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation of San Diego was established to disseminate his nutritional discoveries. > >You see, Rex, the formative forces in our children (and animals) are starting to lose their >connection to the creative centre (if one can simplify it that way). It is like an artist gone >bonkers on a canvas without direction any longer. And so, the formative forces are 'painting' all >over the place creating deformations in the most sensitive areas (and that, funny enough are the >teeth and the skull). Here Impaired connection with the formative forces show up in the teeth because each tooth is energetically linked to all systems of the body via the meridian pathways. Dr. Price's research showed that people who ate food raised and prepared according to their native dietary traditions, almost never had tooth decay or misaligned teeth. Even more interesting, was the practice in these cultures of modifying the diet prior to conceiving children. The diet was enhanced for both men and women to help the couple have the forces that were needed to produce healthy children. thanks, John St. George Farm Freedom, Maine, USA From london@metalab.unc.edu Thu Mar 11 23:49:10 1999 -0500 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id XAA17917 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA02769; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from scn4.scn.org (scn4.scn.org [209.63.95.149]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02633 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from scn.org (bg006@scn [209.63.95.146]) by scn4.scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27719 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bg006@localhost) by scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA27220; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:35:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:35:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903120435.UAA27220@scn.org> From: bg006@scn.org (Douglas Hendrickson) To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: Grafting Wax Recipe containing Beeswax. Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 Thanks Jim for forwarding this! > >>From University of California publication 1981 - leaflet 21103 >Division of Agricultural Sciences. >"Propagation of Temperate-Zone Fruit Plants" p. 47. > >GRAFTING WAXES AND OTHER GRAFTING MATERIALS > >'A satisfactory hot wax consists of 5 pounds of resin, three-quarter >pound of beeswax, half pint of raw linseed oil, 1 oz lampblack, and 1 >and a half oz of flake glue. Melt the resin first, then add and melt >the beeswax. Remove the mixture from the heat and stir in the linseed >oil and lampblack. Use a double boiler to heat the glue, use just >enough water to disolve the glue. Then add the glue slowly (while >stirring) to the wax, which has cooled somewhat but is still liquid. >If you add the glue too rapidly while the wax is still warm, the entire >mass will boil over. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 18:04:04 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA22027 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA07095; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix.infoserve.net (0@unix.infoserve.net [199.175.157.2]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06932 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mroboz (d141.infoserve.net [199.175.157.141]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19508 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:54:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001001be6da4$1875f3c0$8d9dafc7@mroboz.infoserve.net> From: "Michael Roboz" To: Subject: Re: banding, docking, and de-horning & etheric forces Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:48:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 Dear John, Ferdy &bdnow, My father, Steven, worked in South America and West Africa in the 1950's. As an mining engineer on exploration on foot, he worked with several native groups. He found that most had never seen a toothbrush in their life but had perfect teeth while eating their traditional diets. My father came to the same conclusion, unscientifically. I have also read years ago how not only the teeth are affected by "processed" diet, but, there are other general health affects as well. One of the more well-known one is diabetes. Very high in the Canadian native populations. Directly linked to the white-man's diet. Michael -----Original Message----- From: John P. Thomas and Kathleen Barrett To: bdnow@envirolink.org Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 12:54 PM Subject: Re: banding, docking, and de-horning & etheric forces >Dear Rex, Ferdinand, and others, > >One of the most powerful books I have found which connects nutrition with >dental health and/or dental degeneration is "NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL >DEGENERATION" by Weston A. Price DDS, 512 pages. > > In the early 1930s Dr. Price and his wife traveled to every corner of the >world to study the diets and health of 14 isolated native tribes in Africa, >South America, Australia, Polynesia, as well as North American Indians and >Eskimos. He compared the health of groups who only ate their historical >native diet with people of the same tribe who ate diets of commerce -- >white flour, white sugar, and processed foods. From the data, including >hundreds of photographs, the Prices produced one of the most significant >books on nutrition ever published. Its thesis, that the naturally chosen >"primitive" diet promoted health and that the modern "civilized" diet, led >to rapid degeneration of overall health and physical structure, was >revolutionary for its time and far from generally accepted. The wealth of >evidence and fascinating detail Dr. Price provides is as informative and >valuable today as it was half a century ago. His investigations showed >that it takes only one generation of eating a "Westernized" diet to produce >severe dental caries, malformed jawbones, and misaligned teeth. Dr. Price >practiced dentistry in Cleveland, Ohio. He died in 1948. The >Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation of San Diego was established to >disseminate his nutritional discoveries. > >> >>You see, Rex, the formative forces in our children (and animals) are >starting to lose their >>connection to the creative centre (if one can simplify it that way). It is >like an artist gone >>bonkers on a canvas without direction any longer. And so, the formative >forces are 'painting' all >>over the place creating deformations in the most sensitive areas (and >that, funny enough are the >>teeth and the skull). Here > >Impaired connection with the formative forces show up in the teeth because >each tooth is energetically linked to all systems of the body via the >meridian pathways. Dr. Price's research showed that people who ate food >raised and prepared according to their native dietary traditions, almost >never had tooth decay or misaligned teeth. Even more interesting, was the >practice in these cultures of modifying the diet prior to conceiving >children. The diet was enhanced for both men and women to help the couple >have the forces that were needed to produce healthy children. > >thanks, John > > >St. George Farm >Freedom, Maine, USA > > From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 20:20:21 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA23353 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA17229; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from coffsdns.ecopost.com.au (root@coffsdns.ecopost.com.au [203.28.69.15]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16939 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bio (kmidc67-75.ecopost.com.au [203.28.67.75]) by coffsdns.ecopost.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12019 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:09:47 +1100 Message-ID: <009501be6db7$4136b660$4b431ccb@bio> From: "Cheryl Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Basalt dust Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:48:20 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 RE basalt dust. One aspect that I have learned of lately is that the paramagnetic quality is most important aspect. Phillip Callaghan has a machine out that tests this, and apparently you can be wasting your time and money if you don't use the rock dust with the higher paramagnetic qualities. The other point is that it must be 30 microns, (like talcum powder) to be absorbed easily by the soil. It is used a lot in Australian BD farms, as our soils are old and leached and desperately need re mineralising. Cheryl Kemp Education & Advisory Coordinator Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc. of Australia Inc. P.O Box 54, Bellingen. 2454. (Office) 627 Tyringham Rd, Dorrigo Nth. 2453 (Home) Phone; + 02 66 575306 Fax 02 66 575322 -----Original Message----- From: Wm Hurrle To: bdnow@envirolink.org Date: Sunday, 14 March 1999 2:01 am Subject: Re: Basalt dust > >Dear All, > > Rock dusts: The magazine is Remineralize the Earth, 152 South St., >Northampton, MA 01060, 413-586-4429, -6064 fax, ReminEarth@aol.com. Three >issues a year for $25. This is 1996 information. > The Survival of Civilization by John D.Hamaker & Donald A. Weaver, ISBN >0-941550-00-1, Hamaker-Weaver Publishers, POB 1961, Seymour, MO 65746, $12. >This is a remarkable book. > The oldest information on the subject I know is the 1894 monograph, >Bread from Stones, by Julius Hensel. I got a mimeo copy translated from the >German from Health Research, POB 70, Mokelumene Hill, CA 95245. > Another source is The Enlivened Rock Powders by Harvey Lisle, 4427 State >Rt.601, Norwalk, OH 44857, $15 + $1.50 s&h. I've not read this book. ACRES, >usa, is into it. Christopher Bird also wrote about remineralization. I think >ATTRA has a publication on it, too. > Soil microbes need the widest menu of elements possible to be healthy. >Correct management of the carbon cycle is not enough. Since the last glacier >ground and distributed rock dust, precipitation and our lousy ag have >leached elements out of the soils. To keep them healthy rock dust >ammendments are needed. There are numbers of businesses devoted to supplying >special rock dust conditioners. The aggregate industry is aware of the ag >use of fines that are otherwise a drag on their operations. Contact the >state associations. Remin the Earth will send a list of them for $1 and a >SASE. There are outfits in Europe and Australia that sell minerals, too. > >Regards, > >Wm Hurrle > > From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 20:21:00 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id UAA23382 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA17154; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from coffsdns.ecopost.com.au (root@coffsdns.ecopost.com.au [203.28.69.15]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16938 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bio (kmidc67-75.ecopost.com.au [203.28.67.75]) by coffsdns.ecopost.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12016 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:09:43 +1100 Message-ID: <009401be6db7$3fa3e160$4b431ccb@bio> From: "Cheryl Kemp" To: Subject: Re: spraying by air Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:37:01 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 Dear David, Your parachute idea sounds interesting. Spraying 500 on by air is done often in Australia and NZ on large areas. It is quite a set up getting the water heated and 500 stirred in a large enough quantity for the plane to fill up, but saves a lot of time and energy when covering 100s of hectares. There is one valley in NZ where about three famers join together to share the stirring, (by flowform) and one has the whole set up next to the airstrip, and they share the cost of the plane and get all their properties sprayed together. Their land is from mountain peaks to river flats, so would be very difficult to cover by tractor. They also make their own fish emulsion and spray that on as well. Hamish Mackay, who is a BD member in Australia hmackay@ozemail.com.au used to go around with the equipment to stir and would arrange flying on, so if you wanted further information he could help you. I like the idea of parachutes for 501, as one of the problems we have for say grain crops is if they are not sown in rows leaving tractor tracks, then it is hard to get the 501 out without damage to the crop. I will have to get more experiments done with the towers to see if that can help here too. We also need to look at ways to get sprays on when it is too wet to take the tractors out as has been happening here lately. David, how to you control the direction of the parachute? Is it like those remote controlled boats and planes? Sounds like a great idea for Australia, can you send me more info. Thanks, bio@midcoast.com.au Ferdinand thought that the droplets would be too fine or high to work, but all I know is that putting 500 on by air works, and I think they use quite a heavy spray to get the droplets to earth. Great idea, Cheryl Kemp Education & Advisory Coordinator Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc. of Australia Inc. P.O Box 54, Bellingen. 2454. (Office) 627 Tyringham Rd, Dorrigo Nth. 2453 (Home) Phone; + 02 66 575306 Fax 02 66 575322 ---Original Message----- From: Intergalactic Garage To: bdnow@envirolink.org Date: Sunday, 14 March 1999 12:58 am Subject: Re: spraying by air >It probably is a shortcoming of my own that there is no 'introductory >statement' required for joining the BD Now! community. (Of course, a great >many people prefer that!) In a case like David Griffith's, this shortcoming >becomes glaring. > >For those of you who do not know, David is the founder/owner/manager of 7 >Stars Farm in Kimberton (OK, you knew that much) David and his family make >the absolute best yogurt (Seven Stars) that you can buy in a health food >store. (The thick cream on the top of the original version is a dream to we >Sally Fallon fans!! :-) 7 Stars also makes several wonderful varieties of >cheeses, but these, as far as I know, are not distrubted commercially. > >David knows what he is doing with BD, the proof is in his 'pudding.' > >All this makes the question below all the more interesting! > >David, I have to ask: how much acreage do you prep yearly and how often do >you spray a farm that is as well established as yours? > >-Allan Balliett >moderator >BD Now! >igg@igg.com > > > >>I am looking into spraying preps by powered parachutes. These are slow moving >>(26 mph), relatively safe, high payload (800 -1000 lbs), and not too >>expensive. The idea would be to use a boomless jet and an electric diaphram >>pump to deliver about 2 to 3 gal./acre from about 50 -60 ft above the ground >>(out of the way of lines and trees). Spaying times would be early morning >>(501) and early evenings (500). Any comments or suggestions? David Griffiths >>Seven Stars Farm, Kimberton PA > > > > >=========================================================================== > >BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, >dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, food >that promotes human development. > >To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to > >listproc@envirolink.org > >In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): > >subscribe bdnow > >If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com > >a message to listproc@envirolink.org > > From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sat Mar 13 21:07:15 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id VAA23683 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20932; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20751 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from garudix ([210.55.179.84]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990314015430.WRFB682101.mta1-rme@garudix> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:54:30 +1300 Message-ID: <36EB170F.CEA@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:55:27 +1300 From: Glen Atkinson & Christy Hartlage Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Organization: Garuda NZ ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: zodiac -help-glen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 > Dear Glen- Parker did you read the article I posted on this subject a couple of weeks ago? > Oh how I wrestle and am fascinated with the planting calendar. I'm trying to understand the concept that I copy below. If every 72 > years we drop 1 degree, after 2000 I figure we would drop 1 degree 27.777 times. Now forgive me for being a fool but did the Greek > calendar start with O A.D., I must say when I think about it I do not really know. I had always considered our calendar was created by the Romans. It would not have been orientated to the Christs birth until 300AD or so when the roman emporers became Christian. The adoption of the tropical zodiac in modern times was initiated by Ptolemy ( a greek) in around 200AD as I understand it (AIUI). It was not specifical connected to the christ. It was more an orientating on the spring equinox of the Earth as a time frame and 12 fold division of the Earth, rather than a twelvefold orientation to the constellations. This is an 'Earthing' action as I am sure you can imagine. I understand the tropical zodiac was used in Eygpt prior to the Greeks. So this is just a renewal of an old system. The act of moving a universal law to another reference point is a very common astrological practise. AIUI it was more a coincidence that Ptolemy noticed the spring equinox was 200 years prior to himself and that it feel at the time of Christ birth than a conscious action. A touch of universal synchronisty one might say. Ptolemy was the first guy to measure the movement of the stars in relationship to one another for some hundreds of years and so would have come across such a thing. and how did Mrs. Henderson get 2000 years in 1989. sorry not sure what you are talking about here. So where are we actually right now in 1999, The piece you quoted said the spring equinox is at 16 degrees Pisces. Is this a miss print. I hope so, or the BDANZ have done it again - out there in their own belief of the truth. There are three systems of constellational division as I understand it. The most common ones AIUI are a equal division of the zodiac using Alderbaren and Antares as the mid points of Taurus and Scorpio. An unequal system based on this same starting point, and another unequal division the BDANZ ensures us is accepted by the international Astronomical union. The first has us about 3 deg Pisces, the second about 4 degress and the third I understand is between 6-7 degrees. Changeover is between 216 years and 504 years. There are all sorts of debates that arise from this of course. As if we have uneven constellations then we will have uneven ages of evolution as well and if this is so, then our neat little maths of each age lasting 2156 years is only based on an equal division reality. An assiduous study of ancient history would be needed to pinpoint the exact dates of age changes. Till now it is very easy for us to use the 2156 years per age, math. This may easily be the case of course. and what > does this say for a person born December 3 of 1966. Am I not really a Sagittarius? You are a sign of Sagittarius and a constellation of Scorpio person. You are both Interestingly you are a 10 degree Sagittarius. Pluto is conjuncting you right now and moving over a strong part of your chart in the next couple of years. Might I suggest you seek out a good local Astrologer and go and have a chat to them about what this can mean for you. We also come onto what is the sign area of your being and what is the constellation area. refer my earlier article. Essentially the sign being is the chart of the incarnated spirt and the constellational chart is the chart of the unincarnated aspects of yourself, still with the universal spirit. Very unconscious stuff usually. You are both. This same sort of definition can be seen between the Geocentric or earth centre chart and the helio centred or Sun centred chart. So that the Geocentric Tropical chart is a real earth incarnation bound chart, while the Sidereal heliocentric chart is a major spiritual chart. And there are several inbetween charts one can used to see different snap shots of the same being. This could shake some things up for me, I have > thought myself to be so typical of a Fire sign. Will I have to change my ways? On earth you probably are , as you develop spiritually (on earth) you will become more of a scorpio. The spiritual chart appears to come from inside out while the material chart appears to come form outside in. Life is the balance of the two. As always all is one. I hope this helps your quest. Cheers Glen A. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 03:44:41 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id DAA29259 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA14571; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA14506 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sqa-25-0114.direct.ca ([204.244.83.14] helo=direct.ca) by edam.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10M6JL-00033e-00 for bdnow@envirolink.org; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:31:51 -0800 Message-ID: <36EB7340.5D6358EC@direct.ca> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:28:48 -0800 From: Ferdinand Vondruska Organization: C-Dar World Forest Foundation REG#89 103 0348 RR0001 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: OFF: A smelly Subject and goat horns References: <01BE6BBF.FAFA8440@FLYLO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 Dear Martha, Bury the horns in your compost for about 3 months (make sure no dog can get it). Once the inside of the horn has decayed, we will talk about it again. Regards Ferdinand Martha Wells wrote: > When I milk my goats, I tend to give them the sniff test. Breath, hide, > (just a random quick check to make sure everyone is in 'working order'.) > You know by the breath if the rumen is off kilter, and if the hair / hide > isn't healthy, the animal has been ill for awhile. Their healthy skin > always smell like pure sunshine to me. I have a very small tomato I plant > not because I like the fruit so much, but the plant smells exactly like > healthy horse sweat! > I haven't had cause to sniff any livestock in a confined stall situation, > but I imagine they would have a stale odor. I HAVE driven past broiler > 'factories', and you can't drive fast enough or hold your nose long enough. > How do the people who live/work those places stand it? Not to mention the > animals they're attempting to raise. > For Allan, the horn topic: > (I know it's the other end you are worried about, but this is a 'fer > instance': > Just hauled Amelia to the vet, a 3 yr old milker and the only one with > horns. She was pretty good about not getting caught in the fences with > them, but she did use them on the other goats. Our herd queen is 14 yrs > old, and when Amelia vied for queen spot and knocked Mesmerizer for a loop, > I said, they're OFF. Vet charge: $24.50, not bad, but the drugs (rompum, > some antibiotic, some other inflammatory stuff, will remain in her milk for > a couple of weeks. She'll be off milk production now for about that long, > and the risk of knocking a ruminant out is always very high. So, if you > think you might ever want to dehorn a goat, don't wait till it's a regret, > do it while they're babies and won't remember too much. If you have small > children around pet goats, you'll always have to watch the horns. A nose, > an eye, little hands all can get hooked by accident. > For Ferdinand: I now have 2 rather fresh goat horns but they're still > filled with 'chalk', how do I clean them and should I bother? (martha) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C-DAR HOUSE - A CENTRE FOR THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE VOICE OF THE FOREST INTO AN UNDERSTANDING OF ITS SOUL THROUGH THE ARTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH C-DAR WORLD FOREST FOUNDATION, A REGISTERED CHARITY. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 06:56:39 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id GAA03528 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA20714; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA20500 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.190.163.150] (pm3shep2-163-85.intrepid.net [209.190.163.85]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA12587 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:42:16 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:44:23 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 remove bdnow julie tyling@algonet.se add bdnow julie donnas@yancey.main.nc.us Donna Shalooie remove bdnow julie p-dwyer@aloha.net add bdnow julie livepower@igc.apc.org gloria decater From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 07:08:27 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA03795 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA21267; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA21107 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.190.163.150] (pm3shep2-163-85.intrepid.net [209.190.163.85]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13335 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:53:49 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:55:59 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 delete bdnow tubbo tyling@algonet.se delete bdnow tubbo p-dwyer@aloha.net From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 07:11:33 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id HAA03881 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA21401; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA21290 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.190.163.150] (pm3shep2-163-85.intrepid.net [209.190.163.85]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13601 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:57:18 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:59:17 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: ADMIN: Routing Test Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 08:03:03 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA04929 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA23202; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anat.ncds.net (anat.ncds.net [207.250.242.12]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23102 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pavilion (p00-93.ffxp.ncds.net [207.250.242.248]) by anat.ncds.net (8.8.7/8.8.7-sp) with SMTP id GAA29962 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:47:37 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01be6e29$cbcd5aa0$f8f2facf@pavilion> From: "parker" To: Subject: Re: zodiac -help-glen Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:47:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 Dear Glen- Thanks much for the info. I'm not sure I recall the article, would you be able to send it my way via e-mail? Very interesting, the notion that spiritually I could be moving toward Scorpio, I will have to read some of Scorpio. I will also look up a local astrologer, the Pluto conjucting me worries me some. Take care, Parker -----Original Message----- From: Glen Atkinson & Christy Hartlage To: bdnow@envirolink.org Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 5:57 PM Subject: zodiac -help-glen >> Dear Glen- > >Parker did you read the article I posted on this subject a couple of >weeks ago? > > >> Oh how I wrestle and am fascinated with the planting calendar. I'm trying to understand the concept that I copy below. If every 72 >> years we drop 1 degree, after 2000 I figure we would drop 1 degree 27.777 times. Now forgive me for being a fool but did the Greek >> calendar start with O A.D., > > >I must say when I think about it I do not really know. I had always >considered our calendar was created by the Romans. It would not have >been orientated to the Christs birth until 300AD or so when the roman >emporers became Christian. > >The adoption of the tropical zodiac in modern times was initiated by >Ptolemy ( a greek) in around 200AD as I understand it (AIUI). It was not >specifical connected to the christ. It was more an orientating on the >spring equinox of the Earth as a time frame and 12 fold division of the >Earth, rather than a twelvefold orientation to the constellations. This >is an 'Earthing' action as I am sure you can imagine. > >I understand the tropical zodiac was used in Eygpt prior to the Greeks. >So this is just a renewal of an old system. The act of moving a >universal law to another reference point is a very common astrological >practise. > >AIUI it was more a coincidence that Ptolemy noticed the spring equinox >was 200 years prior to himself and that it feel at the time of Christ >birth than a conscious action. A touch of universal synchronisty one >might say. Ptolemy was the first guy to measure the movement of the >stars in relationship to one another for some hundreds of years and so >would have come across such a thing. > > > and how did Mrs. Henderson get 2000 years in 1989. > >sorry not sure what you are talking about here. > > So where are we actually right now in 1999, > > > >The piece you quoted said the spring equinox is at 16 degrees Pisces. > >Is this a miss print. I hope so, or the BDANZ have done it again - out >there in their own belief of the truth. > >There are three systems of constellational division as I understand it. >The most common ones AIUI are a equal division of the zodiac using >Alderbaren and Antares as the mid points of Taurus and Scorpio. An >unequal system based on this same starting point, and another unequal >division the BDANZ ensures us is accepted by the international >Astronomical union. The first has us about 3 deg Pisces, the second >about 4 degress and the third I understand is between 6-7 degrees. >Changeover is between 216 years and 504 years. > >There are all sorts of debates that arise from this of course. As if we >have uneven constellations then we will have uneven ages of evolution as >well and if this is so, then our neat little maths of each age lasting >2156 years is only based on an equal division reality. An assiduous >study of ancient history would be needed to pinpoint the exact dates of >age changes. Till now it is very easy for us to use the 2156 years per >age, math. This may easily be the case of course. > > > >and what >> does this say for a person born December 3 of 1966. Am I not really a Sagittarius? > >You are a sign of Sagittarius and a constellation of Scorpio person. You >are both > >Interestingly you are a 10 degree Sagittarius. Pluto is conjuncting you >right now and moving over a strong part of your chart in the next couple >of years. Might I suggest you seek out a good local Astrologer and go >and have a chat to them about what this can mean for you. > >We also come onto what is the sign area of your being and what is the >constellation area. refer my earlier article. Essentially the sign being >is the chart of the incarnated spirt and the constellational chart is >the chart of the unincarnated aspects of yourself, still with the >universal spirit. Very unconscious stuff usually. You are both. > >This same sort of definition can be seen between the Geocentric or earth >centre chart and the helio centred or Sun centred chart. So that the >Geocentric Tropical chart is a real earth incarnation bound chart, while >the Sidereal heliocentric chart is a major spiritual chart. And there >are several inbetween charts one can used to see different snap shots of >the same being. > > This could shake some things up for me, I have >> thought myself to be so typical of a Fire sign. Will I have to change my ways? > >On earth you probably are , as you develop spiritually (on earth) you >will become more of a scorpio. > >The spiritual chart appears to come from inside out while the material >chart appears to come form outside in. Life is the balance of the two. >As always all is one. > > >I hope this helps your quest. > >Cheers > >Glen A. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 08:54:11 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id IAA05987 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA25165; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from loki.intrepid.net (root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25045 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.190.163.150] (pm3shep1-163-23.intrepid.net [209.190.163.23]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23518 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:40:07 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:42:12 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: OFF:Richard Alan Miller Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 Please let me know if you've taken a workshop or attended a lecture by herbalist Richard Alan Miller. Thank you, -Allan Balliett igg@igg.com From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 09:47:22 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id JAA07920 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA28014; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.infohouse.com (mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27847 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cds1y.webcity ([208.138.96.21]) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:34:56 -0500 From: Jane Sherry/wcdev/US Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:34:02 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: COTS: March 13, 1999 - March 19, 1999 Message-ID: <6B6FD883D158C0EF85256734004FFFBE.0000000000000000@webcity> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by envirolink.org id JAA27848 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 Calendar of the Soul [March 13, 1999 - March 19, 1999] Forty-ninth Week (March 9-15) I feel the force of cosmic life: Thus speaks my clarity of thought, Recalling its own spirit growth Through nights of cosmic darkness, And to the new approach of cosmic day It turns its inward rays of hope. ___________________________________ English translation by Ruth and Hans Pusch ___________________________________ Ich fühle Kraft des Weltenseins: So spricht Gedankenklarheit, Gedenkend eignen Geistes Wachsen In finstern Weltennächten, Und neigt dem nahen Weltentage Des Innen Hoffnungsstrahlen. ___________________________________________________________ Created for: The Steiner e.Lib by: C4 Systems, Inc. (c) 1990-1999 [1]This Calendar of the Soul Verse in HTML ___________________________________________________________ References 1. http://www.elib.com/Steiner/COTS/COTS.phtml?cots+49 -- To unsubscribe: send mail to cots-request@c4systm.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the Subject: line From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 11:48:32 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA11531 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA06350; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns1.mcn.org (root@dns1.mcn.org [204.189.12.26]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06104 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 204.189.12.80 (ha-3e-men-m045.mcn.org [204.189.12.80]) by dns1.mcn.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA23443 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36EB75F4.5F8F@mcn.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:40:20 +0000 From: Kate Clarke Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Organization: Foxglove Farm (707) 937-4116 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: COTS: March 13, 1999 - March 19, 1999 References: <6B6FD883D158C0EF85256734004FFFBE.0000000000000000@webcity> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 Dear Jane, Could you mail us the next few weeks of planting info from the Calander of Souls. I jut sent the order in for one but really need the info ASAP. Our greenhouses are full of starts and we need to get on the next round. Where do you farm? We are part of the Northern Ca. Family of farms, just sixteen miles from the coast. To all in the BD family; come visit as Mendocino is a paradise! We have camping, for a small fee, and incredible dinners all summer long. Join staff and crew at Foxglove Farm. Write for a brochure, Foxglove Farm, Box 143 Comptche, Ca. 95427 Thanks, Kate Clark From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 11:56:48 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA11788 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA06997; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.america.net (smtp.america.net [199.170.121.14]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06865 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.210.132.152] (max4-24.stc.net [208.210.132.152]) by smtp.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28839 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:46:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36DAEDA6.4CA8BBBC@direct.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:28:05 -0400 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Hugh Lovel Subject: Re: The sun as a Being calling forth the earth's warmth Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 >Dear friends, > >Every spring, every summer and throughout the whole year I work with a >question that simply does not get out of my mind. > >Does the sun really send down warmth (via its rays)? > >There are many observations that contradict this theory. And here is one >that I made in the past days> As you know it's been snowing like make - >for days. By now, and at 30 degrees Farenheit - we should have about >(lets say several) feet of snow. Yet, every morning only a few inches, >if that, have remained. > >So, could it be that the sun, actually, is calling forth the warmth of >the earth? Could it be that, like Dr. Steiner indicated that the water >of the seven seas wishes to go back to the moon, hence following it (and >not being attracted) the warmth of the earth wishes to follow the sun, >too? Could it be that what is living inside the earth, what has come >from the sun, is homesick and wishes to return home - E.T. GO HOME >(forgive me for this blurr...) SUNLIGHT GO HOME....!>!......... and, as >it is oozing tto the surface of the earth, is melting the snow from >underneath? > >Could it be what Dr. Pfeiffer has observed, that the sunlight, the sun's >warmth streaming into the earth at about 9m per day (27 - 30' per day) >that this light, transformed into warmth, wishes to go home again. > >Mysteries over mysteries. The sun is coming back. And, Dr. STeiner makes >it very clear that Persephone, the daughter of Demeter, is coming to the >surface of the earth again - how? look at the green shoots, look at the >emerging leaves, look at the flowers, the grain, the buds: she's >arriving. All the best Ferdinand Ferdy, Ever notice how when you cover up a patch in winter it stays green underneath, but do that in summer and it's dead in a weeK? That's holding the sun into the earth. I can't say for sure, but the earth does seem to give off heat and light when the sun strikes it. It does come from the surface upwards. Hope these observations help. Hugh >-- > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > >FRIENDS: >To help remedy and heal the extensive damage that has been done to cows >(feedlots, AI, hormones, >excessive use of antibioticas, fast breeding, feeding of meat and silage >etc.), 1999 is: >MY YEAR OF THE COW. Please, e-mail me any info, web site addresses, >references, statistics >or your personal observations and stories related to cows. >I thank you for your help. Hugh Lovel Blairsville, Georgia "A menial task which must be mine, that shall I glorify and make an art of it."--Walter Russell From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 11:58:01 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA11835 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07085; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.america.net (smtp.america.net [199.170.121.14]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06886 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.210.132.152] (max4-24.stc.net [208.210.132.152]) by smtp.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28889 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:46:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36DB498D.154B8C73@direct.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:45:43 -0400 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Hugh Lovel Subject: Re: Agsyn.com web page Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 >WITHOUT PREJUDICE > > >Dear Geoff, > >I do not want to get involved in a law case here; although it would be rather >difficult to make a case. Last year, however, I was threatened by Greg Willis >because I sent him a picture of 'a ram's head' that I needed to make >Preparation #505. I thought that he, too, was an able, well versed and >informed Preparation maker. I sent the same picture to other BDNOW addresses. > >Greg took my post as a personal attack and threatened me with the RCMP, the >FBI and a monster law case. Things got so badly out of hand that I stepped >back from any further contact with Greg Willis. > >However, a few months later, someone emailed me a letter with certain attacks >on Greg Willis and I defended him since I felt that a lot of things that were >said in this post could not be verified or were (likely) wrong. By mistake I >emailed this letter, to Greg - whereupon Greg immediately came back, argued my >defense (how shortsighted I was - that I did not know etc. etc.) yet, he asked >me whether I would want to become his spiritual student etc. etc. He also >included a few lessons of what I had to do in order to be accepted. > >I did not know what to do and sent him a nice reply; basically turning down >his offer. I did not want to offend him. He followed up by telling me that I, >under no circumstances, was ready for him and that I would have to work on >myself for many more years. It became offensive yet again. > >Well, I really do not need to be a student to a man who threatened me with all >kinds of stuff and who used foulest language against me. So, do I need to say >more? > >Of course, we are on a continent on which free speech is protected (- in the >US - I forget which XYZ Amendment), and that is beautiful. But I do not need >to be 'amended' by any personal attack(s) - and that is that. > >There are other statements of Greg's that do not fit BD; I do not have the >time to play detective. He is 'free' to say what he thinks and whoever uses >his info will have to check it him/herself (as should be done with any info >that comes across the Web and BDNOW) We all are exposed to a variety of >challenges (mental, physical, financial etc. etc.) and Greg has his, I am >sure. > >I understand that there may be a person (or two) on this list that communicate >with Greg Willis on a regular basis; and I hear that they are preparing a case >against those who, apparently, attack him slanderously. I do not know of any >slanderous attacks on Greg Willis. His attacks on me have been composted and >are, now, well rotted. > >With kind regards: Ferdinand Vondruska > > >PS I am pretty sure I never sent that quote via BDNOW! Where did you get it >from? > >Geoff Heinricks wrote: > >> >Agsyn.com is working with Greg Willis and, as far as I am concerned, many >> >things >> >are amiss there. Regards Ferdinand >> >> Ferdinand, >> >> >From what I've seen, you're not one to shy away from fully outlining your >> reasons. I'd appreciate your thoughts on how and why you've come to this >> conclusion. >> >> Cheers, >> Geoff Heinricks >> Prince Edward Co >> Ontario > > > >-- > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > >FRIENDS: >To help remedy and heal the extensive damage that has been done to cows >(feedlots, AI, hormones, >excessive use of antibiotics, fast breeding, feeding of meat and silage etc.), >1999 is: >MY YEAR OF THE COW. Please, e-mail me any info, web site addresses, >references, statistics >or your personal observations and stories related to cows. >I thank you for your help. Dear Greg, Seems unseamsly lawsuits and all, But keep me informed. Hugh Hugh Lovel Blairsville, Georgia "A menial task which must be mine, that shall I glorify and make an art of it."--Walter Russell From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 11:58:49 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id LAA11859 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07274; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.america.net (smtp.america.net [199.170.121.14]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06896 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.210.132.152] (max4-24.stc.net [208.210.132.152]) by smtp.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28904 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:47:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38a9623a.36dc0363@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:59:04 -0400 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Hugh Lovel Subject: Re: Study L3:2 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 >To Margaret Kemp: >In answer to your question I am enlarging the quote from "The Work of the >Angels in Man's Astral Body", R.Steiner. Although it has more social focus, I >did find a certain "nitrogen" quality therein. By the way, the booklet is >normally available from Anthroposphic Press, temporarily out of print >Christine >(abbreviated, pages 8-10) >...these beings form pictures in the human astral body. Under the guidance of >the Spirits of Form (Exusiai) the Angels form pictures. Unless we reach the >level of imaginative cognition we do not know that pictures are all the time >being formed in our astral body. They rise and pass away, burt without them >there would be no evolution into the future...The Spirits of Form are obliged >to unfold in pictures to begin with what they desire to achieve with us during >Earth evolution and beyond. And then later on, the pictures become reality in >a humanity transformed...If we are able to scrutinize these pictures, it >becomes evident that they are woven in accordance with quite definite impulses >and principles...it is clear that they have a very definite plan for the >future configuration of social life on earth...And indeed in forming these >pictures the Angels work on a definite principle, namely, that in the future >no human being is to find peace in the enjoyment of happiness if others are >unhappy. An impulse of brother and sisterhood in the absolute sense...is to be >the governing principle of the social conditions in physical existence. That >is the one principle in accordance with which the angels form the pictures in >our astral body. But there is a second impulse...that in future times every >human being shall see in each and everyone a hidden divinity. Hidden this thro-response. Shucks. Hugh Lovel Hugh Lovel Blairsville, Georgia "A menial task which must be mine, that shall I glorify and make an art of it."--Walter Russell From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 12:00:26 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id MAA11923 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07419; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.america.net (smtp.america.net [199.170.121.14]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06921 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.210.132.152] (max4-24.stc.net [208.210.132.152]) by smtp.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28942 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:47:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:46:04 -0400 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Hugh Lovel Subject: Re: agsyn.com Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 >FORWARD: Sent to "webmaster@envirolink.org" and myself today. Your >suggestion, please. -AB > > > >Allan, > >Well, you've really taken BDNOW to a new low by printing this letter >from Ferdy. I hope you're proud of your accomplishment. Ferdy may, or >may not, be hearing from our attorneys just yet but I will bring this >incident up with our attorneys this week to consider what action we >might appropriately take against your ISP, you personally and BDNOW for >printing such unfounded lies and slander. > >I warned you about this last week and you refused to stop it though I >asked you several times to do so. We will take every legal action >available to us to remedy the harm that has been done and to assure that >it does not happen in the future. > >Greg Willis > >******* > >Message-ID: <36DB498D.154B8C73@direct.ca> >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:14:38 -0800 >From: Ferdinand Vondruska >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: bdnow@envirolink.org >Subject: Re: Agsyn.com web page >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greg, You've got to develop thicker skin.This flying off the handle is pointless and counterproductive, isn't it? Hugh Lovel >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >WITHOUT PREJUDICE > > >Dear Geoff, > >I do not want to get involved in a law case here; although it would be >rather >difficult to make a case. Last year, however, I was threatened by Greg >Willis >because I sent him a picture of 'a ram's head' that I needed to make >Preparation #505. I thought that he, too, was an able, well versed and >informed Preparation maker. I sent the same picture to other BDNOW >addresses. > >Greg took my post as a personal attack and threatened me with the RCMP, >the >FBI and a monster law case. Things got so badly out of hand that I >stepped >back from any further contact with Greg Willis. > >However, a few months later, someone emailed me a letter with certain >attacks >on Greg Willis and I defended him since I felt that a lot of things that >were >said in this post could not be verified or were (likely) wrong. By >mistake I >emailed this letter, to Greg - whereupon Greg immediately came back, >argued my >defense (how shortsighted I was - that I did not know etc. etc.) yet, he >asked >me whether I would want to become his spiritual student etc. etc. He >also >included a few lessons of what I had to do in order to be accepted. > >I did not know what to do and sent him a nice reply; basically turning >down >his offer. I did not want to offend him. He followed up by telling me >that I, >under no circumstances, was ready for him and that I would have to work >on >myself for many more years. It became offensive yet again. > >Well, I really do not need to be a student to a man who threatened me >with all >kinds of stuff and who used foulest language against me. So, do I need >to say >more? > >Of course, we are on a continent on which free speech is protected (- >in the >US - I forget which XYZ Amendment), and that is beautiful. But I do not >need >to be 'amended' by any personal attack(s) - and that is that. > >There are other statements of Greg's that do not fit BD; I do not have >the >time to play detective. He is 'free' to say what he thinks and whoever >uses >his info will have to check it him/herself (as should be done with any >info >that comes across the Web and BDNOW) We all are exposed to a variety of >challenges (mental, physical, financial etc. etc.) and Greg has his, I >am >sure. > >I understand that there may be a person (or two) on this list that >communicate >with Greg Willis on a regular basis; and I hear that they are preparing >a case >against those who, apparently, attack him slanderously. I do not know of >any >slanderous attacks on Greg Willis. His attacks on me have been composted >and >are, now, well rotted. > >With kind regards: Ferdinand Vondruska > > >PS I am pretty sure I never sent that quote via BDNOW! Where did you get >it >from? Hugh Lovel Blairsville, Georgia "A menial task which must be mine, that shall I glorify and make an art of it."--Walter Russell From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 13:00:05 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA13928 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11706; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA11537 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from sqa-25-0104.direct.ca ([204.244.83.4] helo=direct.ca) by edam.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10MF0P-0002Dc-00; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:48:54 -0800 Message-ID: <36EBF5BD.EC04576F@direct.ca> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:45:33 -0800 From: Ferdinand Vondruska Organization: C-Dar World Forest Foundation REG#89 103 0348 RR0001 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org, "Hirschnitz, Michaela" Subject: Re: earthworm curiosity References: <01BE6A09.342459C0@FLYLO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 Dear Martha, I am not an earthworm specialist; but worms are really attracted to areas where they can do a job, mate and proliferate. As long as the killing off is less than the result of their mating process, they will be there for a long time to come. When I look at the composting area and what punishment they have to take there, then, I am constantly surprised that they continue to stay and work. It reminds me of a time of this earth (as Steiner describes) when this earth was a fertile mass of swampy material. Of course, a tranquil, shadowy and moisty place would be the very best (and, mind you, I do find the fattest and somehow wisest worms in these grounds - kind of Grandfathers) But, the 'young folks' (so it appears) like to be where the action is: where we dump manure, where we pile it, where the animals drop their manure, where the soil is being moved, where there is a lot of putrification, also smell etc.. And so they shift around, constantly. But the true mating areas, I come to understand, are in sections of the composting ground where there is silence, tranquility, moisture and calm (but smelly) putrification. And then, there seems to be the graveyard, too. When summer approaches and the lot has to go deeper down, two feet or so in order to either dye or hybernate (or summernate). A drought is tough on worms. REgards Ferdinand PS my spell checker has gone on the blink (at least for this post) .....so, take it from here. Martha Wells wrote: > I have 2 little earthworm bins in my kitchen, just doing a great job on the > refuse we have to toss. I am curious, tho. I started with one bin, and they > happily mated and grew and I had to separate them after ... about 3 months > of 'work'. > I understand that earthworms key on vibrations, and people walking over > their pat of soil keeps them edgy. So, why, then, are mine so productive in > an obviously hi traffic area? I have a 17 yr old cat who warms the top bin > by sleeping on there 90% of the day, I'd think that would unnerve them too. > Are there any earthworm specialists onboard? > (martha) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C-DAR HOUSE - A CENTRE FOR THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE VOICE OF THE FOREST INTO AN UNDERSTANDING OF ITS SOUL THROUGH THE ARTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH C-DAR WORLD FOREST FOUNDATION, A REGISTERED CHARITY. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 13:05:43 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA14110 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA12306; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12225 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sqa-25-0104.direct.ca ([204.244.83.4] helo=direct.ca) by edam.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10MF7w-0002do-00 for bdnow@envirolink.org; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:56:40 -0800 Message-ID: <36EBF78F.A40C395F@direct.ca> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:53:19 -0800 From: Ferdinand Vondruska Organization: C-Dar World Forest Foundation REG#89 103 0348 RR0001 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: Health & teeth References: <001001be6da4$1875f3c0$8d9dafc7@mroboz.infoserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 Banding, docking, de-horning & etheric etc. Friends, I dare changing the Subject title because it has gone far beyond what it has started out with. Hope you do n't mind. Michael Roboz wrote: > Dear John, Ferdy &bdnow, > > My father, Steven, worked in South America and West Africa in the 1950's. > As an mining engineer on exploration on foot, he worked with several native > groups. He found that most had never seen a toothbrush in their life but > had perfect teeth while eating their traditional diets. My father came to > the same conclusion, unscientifically. > I have also read years ago how not only the teeth are affected by > "processed" diet, but, there are other general health affects as well. One > of the more well-known one is diabetes. Very high in the Canadian native > populations. Directly linked to the white-man's diet. > Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: John P. Thomas and Kathleen Barrett > To: bdnow@envirolink.org > Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: banding, docking, and de-horning & etheric forces > > >Dear Rex, Ferdinand, and others, > > > >One of the most powerful books I have found which connects nutrition with > >dental health and/or dental degeneration is "NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL > >DEGENERATION" by Weston A. Price DDS, 512 pages. > > > > In the early 1930s Dr. Price and his wife traveled to every corner of the > >world to study the diets and health of 14 isolated native tribes in Africa, > >South America, Australia, Polynesia, as well as North American Indians and > >Eskimos. He compared the health of groups who only ate their historical > >native diet with people of the same tribe who ate diets of commerce -- > >white flour, white sugar, and processed foods. From the data, including > >hundreds of photographs, the Prices produced one of the most significant > >books on nutrition ever published. Its thesis, that the naturally chosen > >"primitive" diet promoted health and that the modern "civilized" diet, led > >to rapid degeneration of overall health and physical structure, was > >revolutionary for its time and far from generally accepted. The wealth of > >evidence and fascinating detail Dr. Price provides is as informative and > >valuable today as it was half a century ago. His investigations showed > >that it takes only one generation of eating a "Westernized" diet to produce > >severe dental caries, malformed jawbones, and misaligned teeth. Dr. Price > >practiced dentistry in Cleveland, Ohio. He died in 1948. The > >Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation of San Diego was established to > >disseminate his nutritional discoveries. > > > >> > >>You see, Rex, the formative forces in our children (and animals) are > >starting to lose their > >>connection to the creative centre (if one can simplify it that way). It is > >like an artist gone > >>bonkers on a canvas without direction any longer. And so, the formative > >forces are 'painting' all > >>over the place creating deformations in the most sensitive areas (and > >that, funny enough are the > >>teeth and the skull). Here > > > >Impaired connection with the formative forces show up in the teeth because > >each tooth is energetically linked to all systems of the body via the > >meridian pathways. Dr. Price's research showed that people who ate food > >raised and prepared according to their native dietary traditions, almost > >never had tooth decay or misaligned teeth. Even more interesting, was the > >practice in these cultures of modifying the diet prior to conceiving > >children. The diet was enhanced for both men and women to help the couple > >have the forces that were needed to produce healthy children. > > > >thanks, John > > > > > >St. George Farm > >Freedom, Maine, USA > > > > -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C-DAR HOUSE - A CENTRE FOR THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE VOICE OF THE FOREST INTO AN UNDERSTANDING OF ITS SOUL THROUGH THE ARTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH C-DAR WORLD FOREST FOUNDATION, A REGISTERED CHARITY. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 13:14:51 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA14352 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA13142; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12897 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:01:33 -0500 (EST) From: Lilipoh@aol.com Received: from Lilipoh@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hAKEa16736 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:03:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1614df54.36ebf9f3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:03:31 EST To: bdnow@envirolink.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ADMIN: Routing Test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 yyy From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 13:23:51 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA14666 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14016; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from jack.direct.ca (jack.direct.ca [199.60.229.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13788 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sqa-25-0108.direct.ca ([204.244.83.8] helo=direct.ca) by jack.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10MFOD-0004j7-00 for bdnow@envirolink.org; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:13:30 -0800 Message-ID: <36EBFBF3.E746E04A@direct.ca> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:12:03 -0800 From: Ferdinand Vondruska Organization: C-Dar World Forest Foundation REG#89 103 0348 RR0001 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: spraying by air, a licence & the forests in need References: <009401be6db7$3fa3e160$4b431ccb@bio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 Well, well! This gives me new ideas. My son is a pilot. So, there we may fly to get 501 (and perhaps 500) onto the forests. God, there is always something new out there. However, we would have to do it with a Cessna 180 from the nearby airport. Let me add this: spraying ANYTHING is strictly controlled here in Canada and you need a licence. So, before any of you take off with gallons of 500 (or 501) - my son says - get the permit. You may not only lose your pilot's licence but end in jail. And, transporting 'water' is a tricky business in any flying machine. Once the containers are half empty, you'll find them shifting. My pilot licence has expired so, my son will have to do it. Nevertheless, large areas, (likely much larger than anyting) are the forests in need of BD. Personally, I will return to the small acreage and look up when the droplets come down and meditate. My heart will pounce when I see my son swooping down with the good news (500 and/or 501). Regards Ferdinand Cheryl Kemp wrote: > Dear David, > Your parachute idea sounds interesting. Spraying 500 on by air is done > often in Australia and NZ on large areas. It is quite a set up getting the > water heated and 500 stirred in a large enough quantity for the plane to > fill up, but saves a lot of time and energy when covering 100s of hectares. > There is one valley in NZ where about three famers join together to share > the stirring, (by flowform) and one has the whole set up next to the > airstrip, and they share the cost of the plane and get all their properties > sprayed together. Their land is from mountain peaks to river flats, so > would be very difficult to cover by tractor. They also make their own fish > emulsion and spray that on as well. > Hamish Mackay, who is a BD member in Australia hmackay@ozemail.com.au > used to go around with the equipment to stir and would arrange flying on, so > if you wanted further information he could help you. > I like the idea of parachutes for 501, as one of the problems we have for > say grain crops is if they are not sown in rows leaving tractor tracks, then > it is hard to get the 501 out without damage to the crop. I will have to > get more experiments done with the towers to see if that can help here too. > We also need to look at ways to get sprays on when it is too wet to take the > tractors out as has been happening here lately. > David, how to you control the direction of the parachute? Is it like those > remote controlled boats and planes? Sounds like a great idea for Australia, > can you send me more info. Thanks, bio@midcoast.com.au > > Ferdinand thought that the droplets would be too fine or high to work, but > all I know is that putting 500 on by air works, and I think they use quite a > heavy spray to get the droplets to earth. > Great idea, > Cheryl Kemp > Education & Advisory Coordinator > Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc. > of Australia Inc. > P.O Box 54, Bellingen. 2454. (Office) > 627 Tyringham Rd, Dorrigo Nth. 2453 (Home) > Phone; + 02 66 575306 Fax 02 66 575322 > > ---Original Message----- > From: Intergalactic Garage > To: bdnow@envirolink.org > Date: Sunday, 14 March 1999 12:58 am > Subject: Re: spraying by air > > >It probably is a shortcoming of my own that there is no 'introductory > >statement' required for joining the BD Now! community. (Of course, a great > >many people prefer that!) In a case like David Griffith's, this shortcoming > >becomes glaring. > > > >For those of you who do not know, David is the founder/owner/manager of 7 > >Stars Farm in Kimberton (OK, you knew that much) David and his family make > >the absolute best yogurt (Seven Stars) that you can buy in a health food > >store. (The thick cream on the top of the original version is a dream to we > >Sally Fallon fans!! :-) 7 Stars also makes several wonderful varieties of > >cheeses, but these, as far as I know, are not distrubted commercially. > > > >David knows what he is doing with BD, the proof is in his 'pudding.' > > > >All this makes the question below all the more interesting! > > > >David, I have to ask: how much acreage do you prep yearly and how often do > >you spray a farm that is as well established as yours? > > > >-Allan Balliett > >moderator > >BD Now! > >igg@igg.com > > > > > > > >>I am looking into spraying preps by powered parachutes. These are slow > moving > >>(26 mph), relatively safe, high payload (800 -1000 lbs), and not too > >>expensive. The idea would be to use a boomless jet and an electric > diaphram > >>pump to deliver about 2 to 3 gal./acre from about 50 -60 ft above the > ground > >>(out of the way of lines and trees). Spaying times would be early morning > >>(501) and early evenings (500). Any comments or suggestions? David > Griffiths > >>Seven Stars Farm, Kimberton PA > > > > > > > > > >=========================================================================== > > > >BD NOW!, the International Biodynamic Agriculture Discussion Forum, > >dedicated to restoring the earth while producing healthy, high-value, food > >that promotes human development. > > > >To Subscribe to BD NOW!, the BD list server, send a msg to > > > >listproc@envirolink.org > > > >In the body of the message put (do not include the "<>:s!): > > > >subscribe bdnow > > > >If you have any questions, contact the list master at bdnow@igg.com > > > > >a message to listproc@envirolink.org > > > -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C-DAR HOUSE - A CENTRE FOR THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE VOICE OF THE FOREST INTO AN UNDERSTANDING OF ITS SOUL THROUGH THE ARTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH C-DAR WORLD FOREST FOUNDATION, A REGISTERED CHARITY. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 13:26:43 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA14758 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14276; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14090 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:13:30 -0500 (EST) From: Lilipoh@aol.com Received: from Lilipoh@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id hCANa11723 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:15:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:15:18 EST To: bdnow@envirolink.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: OFF: re signs and constellations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 (NOTE: this transmission may have been incomplete, so we are sending it again.) Dear Friends, After a lecture in Helsinki, April 11, 1912, to the astonishment of the participants, Rudolf Steiner distributed a booklet entitled "In the Year 1879 Following the Birth of the Ego." One part of this booklet is well known to us as the weekly Calendar of the Soul. The other aspects of the 1912 calendar are virtually unknown to the English speaking world. What follows is drawn from the German, from various writings. In addition to the Soul Calendar the booklet consisted of a daily calendar with the year beginning at Easter, and reckoning time not from "AD 1" but 33 years later, the date of the crucifixion and resurrection. Steiner explained that our time reckoning should begin at that moment in the earth evolution, Easter 33, "when the ego was first born." This was to be a calendar, not for any particular sect or nation, but for all mankind. Other features of the calendar included: 1. A listing of births and deaths of significant historical personalities 2. The SUN's path traveling through the CONSTELLATIONS with accompanying totally new illustrations 3. The MOON's path, but this time in relation to the SIGNS, also with small illustrations, different to those of the sun constellations. Rudolf Steiner acknowledges both signs and constellations in his frequent mentions of the stars. To state, as many people today do, that the signs no longer have any validity seems to us not to be correct. Both have validity, but in different ways. Guenther Wachsmuth (a contemporary of Steiner and member of the original Board of the Goetheanum) has indicated that for the human being the signs have more to do with the physical/etheric and the constellations more with astral/ego., also that the signs have more to do with the earthly incarnation and the constellations with pre-birth and after-death. Happy New Year 1966! Finbarr & Christine From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 13:42:05 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id NAA15188 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16054; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from jack.direct.ca (jack.direct.ca [199.60.229.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA15685 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sqa-25-0108.direct.ca ([204.244.83.8] helo=direct.ca) by jack.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 10MFeg-0005RN-00 for bdnow@envirolink.org; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:30:30 -0800 Message-ID: <36EBFFF0.E7FCADD5@direct.ca> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:29:04 -0800 From: Ferdinand Vondruska Organization: C-Dar World Forest Foundation REG#89 103 0348 RR0001 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: etheric forces & THE HEALTH OF TEETH References: <1215265F5B24@agecon.uga.edu> <36E930F5.70718922@direct.ca> <36E948EE.8D4DE3F9@erols.com> <3.0.5.32.19990313151549.007b4300@midcoast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 You know what is funny? Our children grew up with whatever natural food we could get. We baked our bread ourselves, kept to a close vegetarian (or if and when meat, the best) diet. Best milk. Brushing teeth. Eating morning and evening Weleda Calcium. Vegetables etc. etc. you name it. Steiner education. Rhythmical life. Yet, the teeth still took a beating (i.e. the deformation of the skull). So, personally, I am of the opinion, there is more than meets the eye. I really believe that if and when Westernized food is being introduced it is not the food but the thinking behind it. I met a nurse in New York some years ago who ate the most dreadful food you could think of and who had the shyniest teeth I had ever seen. What was the answer I asked her? Oh, cleaning my teeth regularly and being happy, thankful and joyful. I think her answer helped me a lot. Regards Ferdinand "John P. Thomas and Kathleen Barrett" wrote: > Dear Rex, Ferdinand, and others, > > One of the most powerful books I have found which connects nutrition with > dental health and/or dental degeneration is "NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL > DEGENERATION" by Weston A. Price DDS, 512 pages. > > In the early 1930s Dr. Price and his wife traveled to every corner of the > world to study the diets and health of 14 isolated native tribes in Africa, > South America, Australia, Polynesia, as well as North American Indians and > Eskimos. He compared the health of groups who only ate their historical > native diet with people of the same tribe who ate diets of commerce -- > white flour, white sugar, and processed foods. From the data, including > hundreds of photographs, the Prices produced one of the most significant > books on nutrition ever published. Its thesis, that the naturally chosen > "primitive" diet promoted health and that the modern "civilized" diet, led > to rapid degeneration of overall health and physical structure, was > revolutionary for its time and far from generally accepted. The wealth of > evidence and fascinating detail Dr. Price provides is as informative and > valuable today as it was half a century ago. His investigations showed > that it takes only one generation of eating a "Westernized" diet to produce > severe dental caries, malformed jawbones, and misaligned teeth. Dr. Price > practiced dentistry in Cleveland, Ohio. He died in 1948. The > Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation of San Diego was established to > disseminate his nutritional discoveries. > > > > >You see, Rex, the formative forces in our children (and animals) are > starting to lose their > >connection to the creative centre (if one can simplify it that way). It is > like an artist gone > >bonkers on a canvas without direction any longer. And so, the formative > forces are 'painting' all > >over the place creating deformations in the most sensitive areas (and > that, funny enough are the > >teeth and the skull). Here > > Impaired connection with the formative forces show up in the teeth because > each tooth is energetically linked to all systems of the body via the > meridian pathways. Dr. Price's research showed that people who ate food > raised and prepared according to their native dietary traditions, almost > never had tooth decay or misaligned teeth. Even more interesting, was the > practice in these cultures of modifying the diet prior to conceiving > children. The diet was enhanced for both men and women to help the couple > have the forces that were needed to produce healthy children. > > thanks, John > > St. George Farm > Freedom, Maine, USA -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C-DAR HOUSE - A CENTRE FOR THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE VOICE OF THE FOREST INTO AN UNDERSTANDING OF ITS SOUL THROUGH THE ARTS. IN COLLABORATION WITH C-DAR WORLD FOREST FOUNDATION, A REGISTERED CHARITY. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 14:35:53 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA16670 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20521; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20315 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-143-87.s24.as1.hgt.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.143.87]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id OAA24672 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:25:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EC0C8A.7B527FDB@erols.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:22:51 -0500 From: Rex Harrill Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: etheric forces & THE HEALTH OF TEETH References: <1215265F5B24@agecon.uga.edu> <36E930F5.70718922@direct.ca> <36E948EE.8D4DE3F9@erols.com> <3.0.5.32.19990313151549.007b4300@midcoast.com> <36EBFFF0.E7FCADD5@direct.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 Ferdinand Vondruska wrote: > So, personally, I am of the opinion, there is more than meets the eye. This, sir, is *always* the case. > I really believe that if and when Westernized food is being introduced it is not the food but > the thinking behind it. Maybe so, but those who read Price's classic draw a simpler conclusion. The most compelling of the hundreds of full-mouth photos in his book are of brothers, sisters, even twins, one of who got traditional food and one of who got manufactured food. I say 'compelling' with full emphasis: so much so that I bought a case of the books for family, friends, and for resale. It's a powerful, almost overwhelming, indictment of junky food. The dental devastation Price lays at the feet of Westernized (think manufactured) food is incredible. > > I met a nurse in New York some years ago who ate the most dreadful food you could think of > and who had the shyniest teeth I had ever seen. What was the answer I asked her? Oh, cleaning > my teeth regularly and being happy, thankful and joyful. Good point, Ferdy---I may share it with my 96 year old uncle (if he sobers up and I can tolerate walking into the chain-smoker's section of McDonalds, where he seems to have lived for the past 35 years). Of course if a skirt goes by, he'll jump up and forget me. :) :) :) Regards, Rex Harrill From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 14:37:05 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA16726 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20623; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20477 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from garudix ([210.55.179.80]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990314192722.PWZ682101.mta1-rme@garudix> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:27:22 +1300 Message-ID: <36EC0DD1.20BD@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:28:17 +1300 From: Glen Atkinson & Christy Hartlage Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Organization: Garuda NZ ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Basalt rock dust Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 Cheryl Where can this rock dust testing be done in either Australia or NZ. Glen A. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 14:38:56 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA16787 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20775; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20491 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from garudix ([210.55.179.80]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990314192732.PYF682101.mta1-rme@garudix> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:27:32 +1300 Message-ID: <36EC0DDC.78F3@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:28:28 +1300 From: Glen Atkinson & Christy Hartlage Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Organization: Garuda NZ ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: etheric forces and teeth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 Ferdinand Interestingly I have read RS talk of teeth as a balanced interplay of Magnesium and Flouride. Have you noted the big and strong teeth of the people born in the US mid west, where the magnesium is 22% of the soil. No doubt calcuim has a role but magnesium could well be the missing key here and certainly one dentistry has not got a hold of yet. Also it emphasises the role of magnesium as a carrier of the etheric possibly into more Astral spheres than calcium can go????? just a thought. Glen A. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 14:39:34 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id OAA16815 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20879; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20538 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from garudix ([210.55.179.80]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990314192802.QAN682101.mta1-rme@garudix> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:28:02 +1300 Message-ID: <36EC0DFA.6701@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:28:58 +1300 From: Glen Atkinson & Christy Hartlage Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Organization: Garuda NZ ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: signs and constellations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 > Rudolf Steiner acknowledges both signs and constellations in his frequent > mentions of the stars. To state, as many people today do, that the signs no > longer have any validity seems to us not to be correct. Both have validity, > but in different ways. Guenther Wachsmuth (a contemporary of Steiner and > member of the original Board of the Goetheanum) has indicated that for the > human being the signs have more to do with the physical/etheric and the > constellations more with astral/ego., also that the signs have more to do with > the earthly incarnation and the constellations with pre-birth and after-death. > Thank you for this. I agree, this illustrates my point exactly. Those who deny the reality of the signs have not looked, seen and experienced. (around here at least) it is obvious these statements come from intellect (and fanaticism) not their experience. And so be it , as long as we see their statements for what they are. Incorrect. Glen A. From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 15:39:24 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA18315 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA27187; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.america.net (smtp.america.net [199.170.121.14]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26995 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.210.132.152] (max7-11.stc.net [208.210.134.11]) by smtp.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21846 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:29:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36DC2B91.4F09@xtra.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:28:22 -0400 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Hugh Lovel Subject: Re: STUDY L3:2 -organic chemistry -2 Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 34 >Hugh > >Thank you for your reply on organic chemistry. > >I appreciate CHO, sugars and fats etc are all products of living >organisms. From your reply (and other thoughts), is it correct to >conclude that all living organisms make use of and need nitrogen to >exist? Naturally if it is not in the soil then it is easily extracted >from the atmosphere. Even fungi and mosses in N depleted soils could get >what they need from the air etc. So anyway is this an appropriate >conclusion. > >Cheers > >Glen A. Glen, et. al., All living organisms need nitrogen to form amino acids and proteins. I believe there are algae as well as the whole Nitrobacteracea family that can fix nitrogen from the air or from air dissolved in water. As well nitrogen compounds develop in thunderstorms and snowstorms so there tends to be an adequate nitrogen cycle if everything is working well enough. Best, Hugh Hugh Lovel Blairsville, Georgia "A menial task which must be mine, that shall I glorify and make an art of it."--Walter Russell From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 15:40:13 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id PAA18343 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA27402; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.america.net (smtp.america.net [199.170.121.14]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27053 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.210.132.152] (max7-11.stc.net [208.210.134.11]) by smtp.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21908 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:29:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <36E226BB.7CC98AD4@direct.ca> <92DB4A1207AF90D78525672C006467DD.0064D9CC8525672C@webcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:48:38 -0400 To: bdnow@envirolink.org From: Hugh Lovel Subject: Re: agsyn.com Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 35 > >So Hugh, I'm lost here. Being well tutored in the Moore-York school of >'Biodynamics as Wholistic Resource Management,' I've never had much problem >with the idea that the mind is contained within the brain, but that concept >has been pretty foreign to this much of the conversation on this list in >the past. For example, it seems to be a tenet that the stirrer puts much of >themself into the prep, that what they are thinking, saying, humming or >singing becomes part of what is applied. > >Given this and given our recent and frequent experiences with Topolos >Vinyard, how do you account for this apparent contradiction? > >Incidentally, given an opportunity to 'bar' Greg from the BD Now!, the >community here was 'listless,' to say the least. Greg is still welcomed to >join BD Now! as far as I'm concerned. > >Sincerely, > >-Allan >igg@igg.com > >PS "Bad Manners"? Did you miss a few posts or something? Allan, No doubt I've missed some posts, since I haven't any idea what you are referring to with "recent and frequent experiences with Topolos Vinyard." I am surprised by the thought that the mind would be contained within the brain. I know my own mind frequently ranges quite outside my brain, most notably while I'm asleep or meditating, though absentmindedness is another well-known phenomenon. Are there folks on this list who actually think the brain contains the mind and that astral traveling and other types of out of body experiences do not occur? Well, given the diversity of folks on this list I suppose it is inevitable that we have a few with this viewpoint. Even so when we put our thoughts and vibrations into stirring preps it is not a big leap of faith to think the preps will carry these thoughts out into the field. I'd imagine that both one's hopes and fears are communicated. What are we discussing here? Greg Willis' extremely rude posts to Steve Moore a couple months back or what? Does Greg communicate this to the vineyards he works with? Not that I've seen. I'd say that if he doesn't maintain a harmonious relationship with his clients that he loses them. I have ego problems myself, as I'd imagine you've noticed. I can be an insufferable fool at times. As a result I try to remember in my wiser moments to forgive others their failings and give them credit where it is due. Greg has his finer points, of course. Are we discussing Greg's going off in an independent direction from the BDA and Demeter? That's a whole nuther ball of wax. The most time honored of growth processes is growth by schism. Seems to me we need a bit of that in biodynamics. I don't see what the complaint would be there. Best, Hugh Lovel Blairsville, Georgia "A menial task which must be mine, that shall I glorify and make an art of it."--Walter Russell From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 18:36:38 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA23826 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA15432; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.infohouse.com (mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA15193 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from cds1y.webcity ([208.138.96.12]) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:24:35 -0500 From: Jane Sherry/wcdev/US Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:23:36 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: No till versus Double Digging Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: bdnow@envirolink.org Sender: owner-bdnow@envirolink.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 Hello Bd-Now friends, There has been much discussion about no-till (Ruth Stout?) vs. Jeavon's style double digging (French biointensive) on the organic gardening list of late. People with clay soils have been writing in asking if they should rototill or double dig and add amendments, and being told to leave it alone and add stuff on top in layers, like newpapers (sans colored inks), straw, manure, etc. And that in a few years, they would have that lovely crumbly soil. (To plant, just poke in a hole through all that stuff and drop in the seeds.) I'm wondering about you bd farmers, where you stand with this and what are some of your practices when you have new land to get ready for planting? The no till folks say that disturbing the soil wipes out the beneficent organisms. Others say, that Jeavons method, merely moves the top layer over, digging down to allow for deep root growth, then adding the top layer back on top. I understand that Jeavons studied both the french intensive method of gardening/farming and also studied with Rudolf Steiner in the 20's before bringing these methods to California, but was wondering, now that we've had so much more time for industry (ag included) to screw with the soil, what approach do you all take? Thanks for any insights into this mystery! Best Regards, Jane Sherry From owner-bdnow@envirolink.org Sun Mar 14 18:46:14 1999 Received: from envirolink.org (manatee.envirolink.org [208.195.208.7]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/rchk1.19) with ESMTP id SAA24074 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA16891; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.infohouse.com (mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4]) by envirolink.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16539 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cds1y.webcity ([208.138.96.23]) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:35:55 -0500 From: Jane Sherry/wcdev/US Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:34:56 -0500 To: bdnow@envirolink.org Subject: Re: COTS: March 13, 1999 - March 19, 1999 Message-ID: