Dear Glen-
Oh how I wrestle and am fascinated = with the=20 planting calendar. I'm trying to understand the concept that I copy = below. If=20 every 72 years we drop 1 degree, after 2000 I figure we would drop 1 = degree=20 27.777 times. Now forgive me for being a fool but did the Greek calendar = start=20 with O A.D., and how did Mrs. Henderson get 2000 years in 1989. So where = are we=20 actually right now in 1999, and what does this say for a person born = December 3=20 of 1966. Am I not really a Sagittarius? This could shake some things up = for me,=20 I have thought myself to be so typical of a Fire sign. Will I have to = change my=20 ways?

With stars,
Parker

Biodynamics: New directions for Farming and Gardening in New = Zealand

New Zealand Biodynamic Assoc. 1989

The Greek civilisation introduced the ‘tropical’ zodiac; = an equal=20 division of the full 360 degree circle of the zodiac into 12 parts of 30 = degrees.

In speaking about the zodiac, there is often some confusion over the = use of=20 the terms ‘constellations’ and ‘signs’. When the = Greeks=20 worked out their calendar, the vernal point stood at 0 degrees in the = sign of=20 Aries, the star picture of the Ram. (The vernal point is the position in = the sky=20 behind the rising sun on the spring equinox (Northern Hemisphere). = However, the=20 cycle from one spring equinox to another (tropical year) is = approxiamately 20=20 minutes shorter than the sun takes to return to a same fixed star = (sidereal=20 year). In other words, the equinox is happening each year before = the sun=20 has reached the same place in the zodiac as the previous year. Hence = after 72=20 years the sun at the equinox no longer rises in exactly the same place = in the=20 sky, but one degree before. Thus, in the 2000 years since the Greeks, = the vernal=20 point has moved into the previous sign; at present it is 16 degrees = Pisces, the=20 star picture of the Fishes. Modern astrologers, however, take no notice = of what=20 we can observe in the sky, but continue to call the present vernal point = ‘0 degrees Aries’. Thus the names for the astrological=20 ‘signs’ no longer correlate with their star pictures i.e. = what can=20 actually be seen in the sky.

Dear Andrew,

Could I please use this answer that you gave on BD Now list, for = slugs and=20 snails  in our BDFGAA News Leaf. If you would like some personal=20 information  to go with this piece, eg. where you live and what you = do,=20 please add this info.  I really appreciated the part that Steve = Diver used=20 of yours in the ATTRA publication re the Comparative paradigms of=20 Traditional/mechanical. organic and BD farming systems.  So good to = finally=20 see the spiritual aspect of BD acknowledged.  It is like we are = finally=20 able to come out of the closet and say what we really are on about.

Thankyou,

Cheryl Kemp
Bio-Dynamic = Farming=20 and Gardening Assoc.
of Australia Inc.
P.O Box 54, Bellingen. = 2454.=20 (Office)
627 Tyringham Rd, Dorrigo Nth. 2453 (Home)
Phone; + 02 66 = 575306=20 Fax 02 66 575322

Question: Any suggestions for repelling slugs and = snails?
Answer: = From Dr.=20 Andrew Lorand (BDNow list)
I suggest you make up some pine cone = soup. Pine=20 cone soup is made by boiling pine cones in water. Use only a pot that = you can=20 afford to throw away afterwards as it will be a sticky mess. Fill your = pot 2/3=20 with fertile (seeded) cones, then add water. Boil under low flames and = stir.=20 Should produce a brown-black goo, that you can pour (at least a couple = of inches=20 wide) around your garden or areas affected by snails. Do not cover! My=20 experience both in Switzerland and in Pennsylvania is that this works = quite well=20 in repelling snails and slugs for a period of a month, sometimes a = little=20 longer. I used only local species of pine in each case. Snails will = attempt to=20 cross this line and retreat. This recipe was given to me by a very old = farmer=20 who lived in the Jura mountains of Switzerland near Neuchatel. = Rationale: There=20 is the handed-down experience here of several generations, plus the = obvious=20 attempt to create an ecological/physical barrier. An = anthroposophical/biodynamic=20 background to this has to do with the fiery planetary forces of Saturn = (pine)=20 being overwhelming for the snails and slugs who live in the watery = forces of the=20 moon.

I would also advocate the use of nettle (urtica dioica) and = horsetail (equisetum arvense) teas. Snails and slugs, like other = so-called pests=20 arrive when the garden or farm has an immunological weakness or = imbalance. Like=20 all disease causing agents, they are virtually always available (like = bacteria=20 and fungi) but only attack when the ecosystem is weakened. They arrive = to do a=20 job, to call forth a response from the farm organism to strengthen = itself. Thus,=20 I prefer to strengthen the organism on a regular basis whenever=20 possible.

Nettle is a gentle, but potent immunological support. I = make=20 both passive (sun) teas and active (boiled) brews and spray all my = seedlings and=20 field crops regularly. I prefer to spray a concentrated form, rather = than a=20 diluted one even if it means less coverage. I also prefer to spray in = the week=20 before full moon, adding growth potency to the teas immunological = effect. Nettle=20 has of course a high concentration of organically bound iron, which many = folks=20 attribute its effect to. On the other hand horsetail must be boiled at = least 15=20 minutes to release the active ingredient (silica), which when sprayed on = crops=20 acts as an astringent, which in itself provides a barrier=20 effect.

Additionally, we could add an anthroposophical/biodynamic = perspective which might be that the presence of snails an slugs shows = that the=20 four basic ether forces (life, chemical, light and warmth ether) are out = of=20 balance. These forces run or hover along (in, below, and above) the soil = in a=20 contoured, but defined set of patterns. When the life and chemical = ethers, that=20 have mostly to do with the ground itself, run to high above the ground = we tend=20 to see fog, dampness and given the opportunity over time, also fungi, = snails,=20 slugs etc. (creatures of the dark and damp). By applying nettle we = strengthen=20 the plant and soil microbiology; by applying the horsetail we add a = crispness to=20 the leaves, but both also act as regulators for the etheric forces. The=20 horsetail invites the light ether and the nettle the warmth ether to = regain=20 their proper place and balance visa vie the life and chemical ethers. = This keeps=20 the kinds of forces that the snails and slugs bring in the soil, rather = than=20 above the soil - which is where they belong most of the=20 time.

List-
All the talk was so = fascinating awhile=20 back on the flowforms that I bought Schwenk's Sensitive Chaos. This book = has=20 only increased my enthusiasm for flowing forms. Yesterday I was playing = with the=20 4 year old son of the man who owns the land I live on. There is a spring = which=20 runs into a hand dug pond which flows into a shallow creek that we run = the water=20 ram off of. I showed Ian a picture of the flow form and suggested that = we go=20 down to the creek and experiment with building a natural run with the = rocks=20 already living there. This turned into an all afternoon project as Ian = exclaimed=20 again and again "dis is wrere cool!, I felt exactly the same way as = we=20 worked our way probably a quarter mile down the creek and built four, = probably=20 40 ft flowforms with the rocks along the sides of the creek. I wrestled = with the=20 idea that I was changing the natural flow of the creek, but also felt = distinctly=20 that the dry rocks from the side of the bed were loving their new bath = of water.=20 We spent time after each construction looking at the forms we built, = sitting in=20 the sun, and explaining to Ian again and again why I didn't want to = connect all=20 the flow forms together but leave large spaces for the creek to spend = its life=20 in its natural state. He finally said to me, "The creek is = happy". As=20 good an exclamation as could be.

Parker
Dear=20 Cheryl,

Certainly use the quote! =

Andrew

Dear Andrew, =

Could I please use this = answer that you=20 gave on BD Now list, for slugs and snails  in our BDFGAA News = Leaf. If=20 you would like some personal information  to go with this = piece, eg.=20 where you live and what you do, please add this info.  I really = appreciated the part that Steve Diver used of yours in the ATTRA = publication=20 re the Comparative paradigms of Traditional/mechanical. organic and = BD=20 farming systems.  So good to finally see the spiritual aspect = of BD=20 acknowledged.  It is like we are finally able to come out of = the closet=20 and say what we really are on about.

Thankyou,

Cheryl Kemp
Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Assoc.
of = Australia=20 Inc.
P.O Box 54, Bellingen. 2454. (Office)
627 Tyringham Rd, = Dorrigo=20 Nth. 2453 (Home)
Phone; + 02 66 575306 Fax 02 66 575322=20

Question: Any = suggestions=20 for repelling slugs and snails?
Answer: From Dr. Andrew = Lorand (BDNow=20 list)
I suggest you make up some pine cone soup. Pine cone soup = is made=20 by boiling pine cones in water. Use only a pot that you can afford = to throw=20 away afterwards as it will be a sticky mess. Fill your pot 2/3 with = fertile=20 (seeded) cones, then add water. Boil under low flames and stir. = Should=20 produce a brown-black goo, that you can pour (at least a couple of = inches=20 wide) around your garden or areas affected by snails. Do not cover! = My=20 experience both in Switzerland and in Pennsylvania is that this = works quite=20 well in repelling snails and slugs for a period of a month, = sometimes a=20 little longer. I used only local species of pine in each case. = Snails will=20 attempt to cross this line and retreat. This recipe was given to me = by a=20 very old farmer who lived in the Jura mountains of Switzerland near=20 Neuchatel. Rationale: There is the handed-down experience here of = several=20 generations, plus the obvious attempt to create an = ecological/physical=20 barrier. An anthroposophical/biodynamic background to this has to do = with=20 the fiery planetary forces of Saturn (pine) being overwhelming for = the=20 snails and slugs who live in the watery forces of the moon.

I = would=20 also advocate the use of nettle (urtica dioica) and horsetail = (equisetum=20 arvense) teas. Snails and slugs, like other so-called pests arrive = when the=20 garden or farm has an immunological weakness or imbalance. Like all = disease=20 causing agents, they are virtually always available (like bacteria = and=20 fungi) but only attack when the ecosystem is weakened. They arrive = to do a=20 job, to call forth a response from the farm organism to strengthen = itself.=20 Thus, I prefer to strengthen the organism on a regular basis = whenever=20 possible.

Nettle is a gentle, but potent immunological = support. I=20 make both passive (sun) teas and active (boiled) brews and spray all = my=20 seedlings and field crops regularly. I prefer to spray a = concentrated form,=20 rather than a diluted one even if it means less coverage. I also = prefer to=20 spray in the week before full moon, adding growth potency to the = teas=20 immunological effect. Nettle has of course a high concentration of=20 organically bound iron, which many folks attribute its effect to. On = the=20 other hand horsetail must be boiled at least 15 minutes to release = the=20 active ingredient (silica), which when sprayed on crops acts as an=20 astringent, which in itself provides a barrier = effect.

Additionally,=20 we could add an anthroposophical/biodynamic perspective which might = be that=20 the presence of snails an slugs shows that the four basic ether = forces=20 (life, chemical, light and warmth ether) are out of balance. These = forces=20 run or hover along (in, below, and above) the soil in a contoured, = but=20 defined set of patterns. When the life and chemical ethers, that = have mostly=20 to do with the ground itself, run to high above the ground we tend = to see=20 fog, dampness and given the opportunity over time, also fungi, = snails, slugs=20 etc. (creatures of the dark and damp). By applying nettle we = strengthen the=20 plant and soil microbiology; by applying the horsetail we add a = crispness to=20 the leaves, but both also act as regulators for the etheric forces. = The=20 horsetail invites the light ether and the nettle the warmth ether to = regain=20 their proper place and balance visa vie the life and chemical = ethers. This=20 keeps the kinds of forces that the snails and slugs bring in the = soil,=20 rather than above the soil - which is where they belong most of the=20 time.

parker wrote:

List-All the talk was so fascinating awhile back on the flowforms that I bought Schwenk's Sensitive Chaos. This book has only increased my enthusiasm for flowing forms. Yesterday I was playing with the 4 year old son of the man who owns the land I live on. There is a spring which runs into a hand dug pond which flows into a shallow creek that we run the water ram off of. I showed Ian a picture of the flow form and suggested that we go down to the creek and experiment with building a natural run with the rocks already living there. This turned into an all afternoon project as Ian exclaimed again and again "dis is wrere cool!, I felt exactly the same way as we worked our way probably a quarter mile down the creek and built four, probably 40 ft flowforms with the rocks along the sides of the creek. I wrestled with the idea that I was changing the natural flow of the creek, but also felt distinctly that the dry rocks from the side of the bed were loving their new bath of water. We spent time after each construction looking at the forms we built, sitting in the sun, and explaining to Ian again and again why I didn't want to connect all the flow forms together but leave large spaces for the creek to spend its life in its natural state. He finally said to me, "The creek is happy". As good an exclamation as could be. Parker

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Dear Alan-
I = was wondering=20 how someone gets a copy of your Peace Papers? I'm teaching a class at = Prescott=20 College next Spring and was hoping to use it. I looked through books in = print=20 and nothing there. Also, what is your connection to Deep Diversity Seeds = in=20 Gila, NM. I see they list themselves as formerly Peace Seeds, wasn't = this your=20 company?
= It's very=20 exciting to have your energy on the list!

Take care,
Parker
Dear Hugh-
Where in the spraying sequence = does horn=20 clay fit in, would you spray after the 500 and before the first = application of=20 501? Would you always try and time your horn clay application with a = post-501=20 spraying. Is there any horn clay available for the '99=20 season?

with earthy = regards,
Parker
Azelea praecox already blooming = since sometime=20 in Feb.
de-mossing the front lawn (yuck!)
digging out the winter compost
augmenting mature compost onto the vegie = beds
lots of bulb plants in bloom (crocuses, some = hyacinths,=20 etc.)
having thoughts about kayaking rather than = showshoeing up the=20 mountain above us

Hello, especially to the bdnower = from=20 Courtenay.
A little while ago, there was = an=20 announcement about Hauk coming to the Island. Could you repost it = please. Many=20 thanks, Michael

Regards Ferdinand

PS I do not live on Vancouver Island, as you know.

Michael Roboz wrote:

Hello, especially to the bdnower from Courtenay.  A little while ago, there was an announcement about Hauk coming to the Island. Could you repost it please. Many thanks, Michael

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