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From: Duncan L. Hilchey <dlh3@cornell.edu>
To: direct-mkt@maat.reeusda.gov, marketfarm@aol.com,
    sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Farmers' Market-Based CSA?

Hello,

Has anyone ever heard of a "farmers' market-based CSA?" I was just
considering the possibility of combining these two marketing strategies in
some way so that vendors and their farmers' markets could generate
additional early season income, and shareholders could get greater variety
than at more conventional CSAs.

For example, let's say 10 farmers' market vendors as a group (including
bakers, food processors as well as growers), take on 50 shareholders at
$500/share for the duration of the farmers' market (e.g., 25 weeks). Of the
$25,000 generated from the sale of shares at the beginning of the season,
$2,000 goes to each grower (for a total of $20,000) and $5,000 would go to
the market for helping to facilitate the CSA. For their investment, the
shareholders would receive a given share of the produce, bread, jams,
sauces, etc. from the participating vendors.

This is purely hypothetical, of course, and I see several problems (1) it's
not really a CSA since there is a less direct connection between consumers
and the farm-its more like a subscription; (2) the economics don't seem to
make sense to me yet; and (3) the benefits to each party are not clear.

Would anyone like to take a stab at critiquing this marriage in concepts,
and give me some sense of whether this is worth pursuing in some
experimental fashion?

Thanks,

Duncan Hilchey
Farming Alternatives Program
Cornell University


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Subject: Re: Farmers' Market-Based CSA?

Duncan-
Great idea. We are doing it here in LA. The Market basket Program marries an
inner city farmers market with a CSA concept. It works somethng like this: a
consumer purchases  ambasket for the upcoming week. The price is set at 15%
less than the farmers market price - $10; $13 for folks who want to subsidize
low income people; and $7 for those on food stamps, wic, etc. The project
manager  buys from the farmers at the market who bring extra to sell. S/he
assembles baskets with volunteer help, and the customers either pick them up
at a nearby church, or we are starting a delivery service. This works on a
weekly basis to fit low income budgets. Outreach has been done through child
care programs, wic ofices, churches etc. The basic idea is to provide access
to high quality foods at low prices where such access is lacking. 
If you would like more information, contact Bob Gottlieb or Michelle
Mascarenhas at 310-825-1067. The project is run by UCLA Dept of Urban
Planning in conjunction with Southland Farmers market Assoc.

Andy Fisher
CFS Coalition
Po box 209
Venice
CA 90294
310-822-5410

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From: steve bonney <sbonney@holli.com>
To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Farmers' Market-Based CSA?

Duncan Hilchey wrote:
>
>Has anyone ever heard of a "farmers' market-based CSA?" I was just
>considering the possibility of combining these two marketing strategies in
>some way so that vendors and their farmers' markets could generate
>additional early season income, and shareholders could get greater variety
>than at more conventional CSAs.

This is a good idea for persons or groups who already use farmers' markets 
as a sales location, but are otherwise not connected. It seems that all it 
would require is some organization. However, this is probably not an easy 
task, since
the vendors sell as individuals and were not originally motivated to 
organize as a collective. Equity of contribution would certainly be an 
issue. The organizer might need an extra cut, but the market would not be 
due one.

Some current CSAs consist of several growers or preparers, who organized 
because of the motivation to do so, usually before the CSA was formed. And 
some CSAs use farmers' markets as distribution points. 

The scale would have to involve many more than 50 subscribers, for $2000 is 
not enough income, even as a supplement, over a growing season. Some CSAs in 
the Midwest have had great difficulty in securing enough subscribers to 
generate a living. Many view farmers'markets as a market of desparation.

These are some realities and perceptions that must be overcome. I, 
personally,  want to see more successful farmers' markets and more 
successful CSAs. Your idea has merit in the grand scheme of that success and 
should be tested.

Steve Bonney, President
Indiana Sustainable Agriculture Association
100 Georgton Ct.
W. Lafayette IN 47906
(317) 463-9366, fax (317) 497-0164
email sbonney@holli.com

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Subject: Farmers' Market-based CSA?

The idea sounds interesting initiailly until you think it out - the market is
already a mechanism to get local food to consumers - offering variety,
selection, competition, etc.  The CSA-type benefits are not readily apparent,
except the idea of guaranteeing a certain volume of sales at the market for
participating farmers.  It would be easier if farmers offered to sell vouvhers
at the beginning of the season that could be redeemed at their stall(s) - or
done market-wide - for produce.  If there were a discount - say, $200 worth of
product for $175, it might attract customers.  It's something akin the the
Farmers' Market Nutrition Program vouchers, which have been vital to
stabilizing many inner city markets in low-income areas.  WHether this would
actually increase sales or income at a market depends on many factors - does
the farmer have additional product to sell; will the extra volume offset lower
prices; will it encourage customers to buy more than would usually; etc. etc.
I have heard of this done on a small scale, but nothing on a big scale.

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This sounds a lot like the Rolling Prairie Farmers Alliance in Lawrence 
KS. Except it's subscription, people pay as they receive. I think 
innovation like this is really important; people starting local 
alternative food systems need to pay as much or more attention to their 
local situation as to how others have done things.
You can find out more about the RPFA by contacting the Kansas Rural 
Center, Box 3747, Lawrence KS 66046.
We are in our second year as one veg. garden and several other producers, 
and we will soon start to plan how to include more veg. producers. If we 
can find an appropriate spot for pick-up (maybe the farmers mkt?), I'm 
hoping we put together products from specialists (strawberries, sweet 
corn...) and generalists based on pre-season planning and continuing 
coordination. Maybe pay the producers 2/3s up front, and hold the rest 
back to pay for what actually gets distributed... The first season or two 
would be very interesting, I'm sure.

> Subject: Farmers' Market-Based CSA?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Has anyone ever heard of a "farmers' market-based CSA?" I was just
> considering the possibility of combining these two marketing strategies in
> some way so that vendors and their farmers' markets could generate
> additional early season income, and shareholders could get greater variety
> than at more conventional CSAs.
> 
> For example, let's say 10 farmers' market vendors as a group (including
> bakers, food processors as well as growers), take on 50 shareholders at
> $500/share for the duration of the farmers' market (e.g., 25 weeks). Of the
> $25,000 generated from the sale of shares at the beginning of the season,
> $2,000 goes to each grower (for a total of $20,000) and $5,000 would go to
> the market for helping to facilitate the CSA. For their investment, the
> shareholders would receive a given share of the produce, bread, jams,
> sauces, etc. from the participating vendors.
> 
> This is purely hypothetical, of course, and I see several problems (1) it's
> not really a CSA since there is a less direct connection between consumers
> and the farm-its more like a subscription; (2) the economics don't seem to
> make sense to me yet; and (3) the benefits to each party are not clear.
> 
> Would anyone like to take a stab at critiquing this marriage in concepts,
> and give me some sense of whether this is worth pursuing in some
> experimental fashion?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Duncan Hilchey
> Farming Alternatives Program
> Cornell University
> 
> 

---
Jeff Hall	
jrhall@iastate.edu

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This sounds a lot like the Rolling Prairie Farmers Alliance in Lawrence 
KS. Except it's subscription, people pay as they receive. I think 
innovation like this is really important; people starting local 
alternative food systems need to pay as much or more attention to their 
local situation as to how others have done things.
You can find out more about the RPFA by contacting the Kansas Rural 
Center, Box 3747, Lawrence KS 66046.
We are in our second year as one veg. garden and several other producers, 
and we will soon start to plan how to include more veg. producers. If we 
can find an appropriate spot for pick-up (maybe the farmers mkt?), I'm 
hoping we put together products from specialists (strawberries, sweet 
corn...) and generalists based on pre-season planning and continuing 
coordination. Maybe pay the producers 2/3s up front, and hold the rest 
back to pay for what actually gets distributed... The first season or two 
would be very interesting, I'm sure.

> Subject: Farmers' Market-Based CSA?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Has anyone ever heard of a "farmers' market-based CSA?" I was just
> considering the possibility of combining these two marketing strategies in
> some way so that vendors and their farmers' markets could generate
> additional early season income, and shareholders could get greater variety
> than at more conventional CSAs.
> 
> For example, let's say 10 farmers' market vendors as a group (including
> bakers, food processors as well as growers), take on 50 shareholders at
> $500/share for the duration of the farmers' market (e.g., 25 weeks). Of the
> $25,000 generated from the sale of shares at the beginning of the season,
> $2,000 goes to each grower (for a total of $20,000) and $5,000 would go to
> the market for helping to facilitate the CSA. For their investment, the
> shareholders would receive a given share of the produce, bread, jams,
> sauces, etc. from the participating vendors.
> 
> This is purely hypothetical, of course, and I see several problems (1) it's
> not really a CSA since there is a less direct connection between consumers
> and the farm-its more like a subscription; (2) the economics don't seem to
> make sense to me yet; and (3) the benefits to each party are not clear.
> 
> Would anyone like to take a stab at critiquing this marriage in concepts,
> and give me some sense of whether this is worth pursuing in some
> experimental fashion?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Duncan Hilchey
> Farming Alternatives Program
> Cornell University
> 
> 

---
Jeff Hall	
jrhall@iastate.edu

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From: MarketFarm@aol.com
To: dlh3@maat.reeusda.gov, direct-mkt@maat.reeusda.gov.sanet-mg
Subject: DIRECT-MKT: Re: Farmers' Market-Based CSA?

In a message dated 96-06-04 19:38:22 EDT, dlh3@cornell.edu (Duncan L.
Hilchey) writes:

>Has anyone ever heard of a "farmers' market-based CSA?" I was just
>considering the possibility of combining these two marketing strategies in
>some way so that vendors and their farmers' markets could generate
>additional early season income, and shareholders could get greater variety
>than at more conventional CSAs.

Thanks for starting this thread, Duncan. I've been pondering something
similar, albeit through Farmer's Market Online with a broader defintion of
"community." The idea is to combine the products of a couple dozen vendors
into a package of produce and specialty goods that subscribers or
shareholders would receive on a seasonal basis throughout the year.

>For example, let's say 10 farmers' market vendors as a group (including
>bakers, food processors as well as growers), take on 50 shareholders at
>$500/share for the duration of the farmers' market (e.g., 25 weeks)...
. For their investment, the
>shareholders would receive a given share of the produce, bread, jams,
>sauces, etc. from the participating vendors.

I'd question how to sell this to shareholders. Conventional CSAs often
attract shareholders interested in supporting a particular farm or style of
farming. The products of 10 unrelated vendors would have to appeal to other
motives -- convenience, variety, etc.

> I see several problems (1) it's
>not really a CSA since there is a less direct connection between consumers

There are lots of ways to establish relationships between shareholders and
producers. At Farmer's Market Online, we're trying to encourage shoppers to
interact with producers via e-mail.

Michael Hofferber

++++++++++++++++++++++
FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE
Box 277			     
Shoshone, ID 83352-0277	 
fax (208) 886-7602		 
e-mail marketfarm@aol.com
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From: Laurie Hodges <Hort034@unlvm.unl.edu>
To: dlh3@maat.reeusda.gov
Cc: direct-mkt@maat.reeusda.gov, Steven Balkin <eco@maat.reeusda.gov>
Subject: Re: DIRECT-MKT: Farmers' Market-Based CSA?

Another potential difficulty would be in mediating the "fairness" of  the
product mix among the farmers so someone doesn't feel (s)he is contributing
more, or more often, or higher "value" items than someone else, esp. if a
couple of the farmers drop out for whatever reason (hail, drought, boredom,
cash flow, etc) during the season and others are asked/required to
compensate to ensure the client is getting a fair deal. Rather than the CSA
concept of  "if the farmer loses a crop, then the client loses the crop and
experiences the joys of farming" , the shared producer/supplier reduces the
risk for the consumer but not for the grower. An interesting idea (basically
cooperative buying through a farmers' market). I also think it would be
interesting to run it through a couple of focus groups representing
different client/grower profiles as well as community size and degree of
urbanization of the farmers' market. 

At 08:14 PM 6/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Duncan. I will take an off-the-top-of-my-head stab at it.
>
>Consumers would gain if they knew, up front, what the minimum bundle of
>goods would be and that the minimum bundle was "worth more" than $500.00.
>Farmers would have to make sure their total production conformed to the mix
>that consumers highly preferred. Consumers are taking a risk, though, if the
>farmers don't meet their contractural commitments. Perhaps, the farmers
>market could reduce risk for the consumer by providing a refund to the
>consumers if farmers defaulted on their contract.
>
>Farmers would gain by having good cash flow -- getting paid for part of
>their product before it was produced, and thus reducing their financial risk
>-- kind of a futures contract but with delivery.
>
>I think it is worth an experiment or at least some focus groups with
>consumers and farmers.
>
>Who would pay the organizing and administrative costs to get this off the
>ground?
>
>- Steve Balkin  (OPENAIR-MARKET NET)
><http://www.openair.org/>
>**********************************************************************
>At 04:50 PM 6/4/96 -0400, Duncan L. Hilchey wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>Has anyone ever heard of a "farmers' market-based CSA?" I was just
>>considering the possibility of combining these two marketing strategies in
>>some way so that vendors and their farmers' markets could generate
>>additional early season income, and shareholders could get greater variety
>>than at more conventional CSAs.
>>
>>For example, let's say 10 farmers' market vendors as a group (including
>>bakers, food processors as well as growers), take on 50 shareholders at
>>$500/share for the duration of the farmers' market (e.g., 25 weeks). Of the
>>$25,000 generated from the sale of shares at the beginning of the season,
>>$2,000 goes to each grower (for a total of $20,000) and $5,000 would go to
>>the market for helping to facilitate the CSA. For their investment, the
>>shareholders would receive a given share of the produce, bread, jams,
>>sauces, etc. from the participating vendors.
>>
>>This is purely hypothetical, of course, and I see several problems (1) it's
>>not really a CSA since there is a less direct connection between consumers
>>and the farm-its more like a subscription; (2) the economics don't seem to
>>make sense to me yet; and (3) the benefits to each party are not clear.
>>
>>Would anyone like to take a stab at critiquing this marriage in concepts,
>>and give me some sense of whether this is worth pursuing in some
>>experimental fashion?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Duncan Hilchey
>>Farming Alternatives Program
>>Cornell University
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Laurie Hodges, Vegetable Specialist
377 Plant Sciences - University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE  68583-0724
phone: 402-472-2854
fax: 402-472-8650
e-mail: Hort034@unlvm.unl.edu


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To all interested friends of the EcoAgroForrestry List, 

A friend (Jo-anne Vosloo) and myself (Sally Giebelmann) 
are both small self-sufficient, free range, organic farmers in the 
North West Province of South Africa near the small town of Brits.

We farm with egg laying & broiler chickens, ducks, geese, fish, 
rabbits, pigeons, pigs, meat & milk goats, vegetables,
earthworms, herbs and horses. Sally produces eggs, milk & meat,
for sale above home consumption, and processes excess goat milk
into yoghurt and cheese. Jo-anne produces meat on a minimal bought
feed system.

Between the two of us we practice communal farming even though 
we both have our own farms, and they are about 30km apart 
(approx 18 and a half miles). We do this by, amongst other 
things, sharing all information we have access to and knowledge 
gained from many years of farming. We are continually experimenting
with indigenous animals. With some animals we cross breed the
indigenous with an animal designed for an intensive system. The
result is a hardier, better end product for the consumer.

We barter animals, feed, equipment and labor. Goods which have
no use on one farm, that can be utilized on the other, are exchanged.
Just about anything is bartered between our two operations, including
notice of any special bargains to be had elsewhere as in stock
or feed etc. A running record is kept, as to what moves between us
and a cash value is allocated to each entry, although no money
actually changes hands.

>From using this communal system for the past two years, we have
been able to increase productivity, reduce the operating costs,
diversify the farming activities, thereby reduce risks involved
and have a far broader base of knowledge concerning feeding
animals, animal health, improved use of land and other natural
resources.

We efficiently use a variety of waste materials from various
sectors, business and farming to our advantage. We are now able
to enjoy a large variety of fresh food which is nutritious, and
yet cheaper than store bought. Roast duck or goat are commonly
enjoyed meals on our tables, we either would not be able to
afford these luxuries, or simply would not find them over the
average shop counter.

Jo-anne has written a book about animal husbandry which Sally is
in the process of illustrating, it is shortly to be published.
The subjects discussed concern raising animals in intensive
systems and the "free range" method. Other chapters detail feed
animal health, and topics relating to animal production and
vegetables.

In the future we will be publishing a magazine three
times a year concerning these particular subjects, animals,
vegetables and the processing and use of the products.

Sally opens her farm for school children to visit. The children
experience and learn about the wonders of farm animals.

We operate a small office for our own convenience, gathering
information by telephone, fax and computer, while communicating
with small and large farmers worldwide, also other professional
or practicing people and organizations at all levels. Where ever
possible, we are also willing to exchange information.

Jo-anne and I have submitted a proposal to our local government
in the hopes of receiving some funding towards a project of ours.
As yet we have not registered a non profit business / trust, 
as this can only be done once funding is available. 
We have named our project:

                     SHE Community Systems. 
    Self-sufficient Healthy and Educational Communal Farming.

The proposal is for the development and training of our people
living in disadvantaged communities in the North West Province.
Jo-anne and myself would like to offer our services as consultants,
and train the communities to become as self-sufficient 
and sustainable as possible within their individual needs, values, 
traditional cultures and skills. We would also encourage community 
farming, and be available as an information service to our area,
once the communities are self-reliant.

With the implementation of this scheme, we will not only be
teaching the people to feed themselves, but will be encouraging
those with initiative to become more innovative and creative
in their attitude and approach to ecological self-suffiency and 
later on possibly develop a more commercial farming operation
while still retaining the ecologically sound background we promote.

This change will not occur overnight, but after laying a stable
foundation, an improvement will be seen at various levels
over a period of time.

Jo-anne and I believe that in this manner we will be addressing
the need to feed our people, keep them healthier, create
more job opportunities and stimulate the communities economy and
spirit, interaction, education and dialog.

We would like to stay in contact with all of you on the EAF list, 
as i'm sure you could offer us very valuable advise, and possibly 
some exchange. Could any one put us into contact with other 
like minded  practical people or organizations in South Africa or 
Africa in particular, that would be beneficial to both parties?
If you have the same interests, please feel free to 
contact us, no matter which country you live in. 
 
Has any one out there an idea of possible funding, sponsorship / 
donations and / or equipment we could get from elsewhere, once 
SHE Community Systems has been registered?

Thankyou in advance for taking up your time, and any
knowledge you are able to pass on to us.

Kind Regards    Sally        and        Jo-anne.

Postal Address: Zenzele Farm     Or     Jo-Jo's Place
                P.O. Box 2117           P.O. Box 2798
                Randburg                Brits
                2125                    0252
                South Africa.           South Africa.
Telephone:      +27 1211 502 899        +27 1211 540 454
Cell phone:     082 448 9505
Fax:            +27 1211 502 517         
E-mail:         jens@icon.co.za
-------------------------------------
Sally and Jens-Birger Giebelmann
E-mail: jens@icon.co.za
Date: 05/22/96
Time: 18:50:10
This message was sent by Zenzele Farm
Brits, NWP, South Africa
Tel.: +27 1211 502899
Fax.: +27 1211 502517 
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Duncan -

Prairienet is a mail list group devoted to CSA.  It started last year 
sometime, and has generated some interesting discussion.  There is also 
an associated Web site.

The mail list address is <csa-l@prairienet.org>, but I don't have the 
subscription address.  Perhaps the Web site has it.

ciao
bill

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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:06:55 -0400
From: BRateaver@aol.com
To: london@sunsite.unc.edu
Subject: Re: Farmers' Market-Based CSA? (fwd)

I am willing to stick my nose in where it does not belong !

I think it is not so good for one main reason: the big advantage of CSA is
that people actually get in hand every week plenty of fresh, raw foods and
they have to use it that week. This encourages them to make and eat more
salads, and fruits--the RAW food that is so very important to their health.
 Of course, they will cook some things, but still there is an incentive to
eat more raw stuff.  This is the big advantage of getting a pack of ready to
use, already cleaned and trimmed raw stuff.

And, as you said, one of the main ideas of CSA is getting to know the farmer,
the children learn food comes from soil, and the relationship is a main
benefit. In a market, the conversations have to be brief, and there is no
more connection with the actual farm scene than their would be in a grocery.

Bargyla Rateaver, Ph.D., 9049 Covina St., San Diego, CA 92126.

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Now that I can see is advantageous. It is a much better way to help the
indigent than handouts of canned stuff and the like, at some center.

Some kind thoughts behind this idea.

Bargyla Rateaver, Ph.D., 9049 Covina St., San Diego, CA92126

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Online commentary

Community Supported Farmers' Markets?
(From Direct-Mkt mailing list)

Duncan Hilchey of the Farming Alternatives Program at Cornell University
(dlh3@cornell.edu) wrote:
"Has anyone ever heard of a "farmers' market-based CSA?" I was just
considering the possibility of combining these two marketing strategies in
some way so that vendors and their farmers' markets could generate additional
early season income, and shareholders could get greater variety than at more
conventional CSAs."

Andy Fisher of the CFS Coalition in Venice, California (ASFisher@aol.com)
responded: 
"Great idea. We are doing it here in LA. The Market basket Program marries an
inner city farmers market with a CSA concept. It works somethng like this: a
consumer purchases a basket for the upcoming week. The price is set at 15%
less than the farmers market price - $10; $13 for folks who want to subsidize
low income people; and $7 for those on food stamps, wic, etc. The project
manager buys from the farmers at the market who bring extra to sell. She
assembles baskets with volunteer help, and the customers either pick them up
at a nearby church, or we are starting a delivery service. This works on a
weekly basis to fit low income budgets.... The basic idea is to provide
access to high quality foods at low prices where such access is lacking...
The project is run by UCLA Dept of Urban Planning in conjunction with
Southland Farmers market Assoc.

Steve Bonney of the Indiana Sustainable Agriculture Association
(sbonney@holli.com) added:
"This is a good idea for persons or groups who already use farmers' markets
 as a sales location, but are otherwise not connected. It seems that all it
would require is some organization. However, this is probably not an easy 
task, since the vendors sell as individuals and were not originally motivated
to  organize as a collective. Equity of contribution would certainly be an
 issue."

Michael Hofferber of Farmer's Market Online (marketfarm@aol.com) added:
"I've been pondering something similar, albeit through Farmer's Market Online
with a broader defintion of 'community.' The idea is to combine the products
of a couple dozen vendors into a package of produce and specialty goods that
subscribers or
shareholders would receive on a seasonal basis throughout the year.'

Steve Balkin of OPENAIR-MARKET NET responded:
"Consumers would gain if they knew, up front, what the minimum bundle of
goods would be and that the minimum bundle was "worth more" than $500.00...
 Farmers would gain by having good cash flow -- getting paid for part of
their product before it was produced, and thus reducing their financial risk
-- kind of a futures contract but with delivery."

Laurie Hodges (Hort034@unlvm.unl.edu) concluded:
'Another potential difficulty would be in mediating the 'fairness' of  the
product mix among the farmers so someone doesn't feel (s)he is contributing
more, or more often, or higher "value" items than someone else, esp. if a
couple of the farmers drop out for whatever reason (hail, drought, boredom,
cash flow, etc) during the season and others are asked/required to compensate
to ensure the client is getting a fair deal. Rather than the CSA concept of
 "if the farmer loses a crop, then the client loses the crop and experiences
the joys of farming," the shared producer/supplier reduces the risk for the
consumer but not for the grower."

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Doug,
 Sure the unit system might work better for the bigger farms than for us
little guys.   (Growing for Market May 1996).  But the idea of breaking the
produce down in to units has helped me realize how to begin distribution.

I found a wonderful resource for people who are considering setting up a CSA
(thanks Michelle for the lead!)  It is a self published book by Bob and
Bonnie Gregson:
Rebirth of the Small Family Farm - A handbook for starting a successful
organic farm based on the commumity supported agriculture concept.  It can be
ordered  for $9.95 plus $.70 for WA residents from IMF Associates  POBox 2542
  Vashon Island, WA 98070.

Now I need some information to help explain the CSA concept to potential
shareholders.  Everyone I talk to here (except farmers) have never heard of
the idea.  So I know a bit of education is in order for the success of our
program.  My big opportunity to educate 4000 people  comes in one month.  I
also need to develop a contract.  Are there any sample ones out there?

Dan Katz from Santa Cruz - are you out there?  It was great to talk with you
while we  walked through the farm this weekend!

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In a message dated 96-06-12 07:53:11 EDT, you write:

<< May I stick my nose in here?

What is cn. org? If it is an organic list, I want to know about it.

What is coming up in one month, that is such an opportunity for you?

Is there anything I can do to help? I have some ideas of what to say to
encourage people to buy organic veg/fruit from farmer CSA.  >>

Of course, all noses are welcome! 
cn.org must have been a type if it came from me.
On July 13-14, 4000 people will be touring our 2 acre organic farm as part of
an island garden tour to benefit the arts and humanities council.  We are the
working garden on the tour this year, the other 4 are fancy, landscaped
gardens.  We are planning to begin the  CSA component of our business spring
97 so thought it would be good timing to have our promotional material ready
for the tour in July.  
I am truly at a loss/have not yet begun to create such material.  CSA is a
new concept to most in this community, however, some have been asking about
it.  There is a CSA that some folks go to that is off the island and about 20
miles away.  
Any suggestions and/or related material would be greatly appreciated.  I am
looking specifically for an educational tool/ description of the CSA concept
that is simple and concise for an introduction to those who have never heard
of such a thing.

Thanks, Suzy

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**apologies to anyone receiving double copies of this from the SANET list**

MESA, a non-profit organization that sponsors young international farmers
seeking live/work positions with US organic/sustainable host farms, is in
need of a new intern/work position for one of our participants whose
pre-assigned host farm didn't work out.

Jurgita is a friendly, hard-working 25 yr. old Lithuanian woman who has
experience working with Bees, Flowers and Vegetables. Her English is
somewhat limited but improving daily. In exchange for room, board and $675
monthly program fees, MESA's exchange farmers work full time (up to
48hrs/wk) and receive training in organic techniques on their host farms.
MESA uses the program fees to provide our exchange farmers with $300/month
stipends, full health insurance, domestic travel, legal documentation,
coordinator visits and administrative assistance.  

If your farm is interested in finding out more about Jurgita and/or MESA's
program, or if you can suggest any leads (especially in the Western US),
please respond ASAP. We're hoping to locate a wonderful new host soon!

Thank you.

Lauren E. Augusta, Executive Director
Multinational Exchange for Sustainable Agriculture (MESA)
5337 College Ave., Ste. 508
Oakland, CA 94618
Tel. #510-654-8858
email: mesa@hooked.net

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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:36:27 CDT
From: Joseph B Dever <jbdever@iastate.edu>
To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Food COOPs and direct-marketing groups near Chicago

A young farm-activist friend of mine is leaving Iowa and heading for the
Chicago area where she would like to work with any COOPS or other
organizations (profit or non-profit) that promote direct marketing
arrangements between consumers and farmers.  Please let me know phone
numbers, addresses and contact persons an any groups between Chicago and
Kalamazoo, or info on any current job openings.  Thanks a lot.

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:05:08 -0400
From: ASFisher@aol.com
To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Community Food Security funding.

June 21, 1996

$1 million will be available under a competitive grants program established
by  the Community Food Security Act (Assistance to Community Foods Projects)
during FY 1996.  The Office of Analysis and Evaluation of Food and Consumer
Services, USDA will be administering the program. Legislative language
establishes this program to support community food projects with the
intention of "meeting the food needs of low income people; increasing the
self-reliance of communities in providing for their own food needs; and
promoting comprehensive responses to local, food, farm, and nutrition
issues."

It is expected that programs such as community gardens, farmers' markets,
CSAs, micro-enterprises, and others will be eligible.

Requests for Proposals are not yet available, but are expected to be released
soon. 

To assist organizations in program planning previous to the RFP's release,
the Community Food Security Coalition has prepared a document entitled, "
Guidance to Non-Profits for Developing Community Food Project Applications."
To receive a copy or to find out more information about this program or
community food security in general, please contact Andy Fisher, coordinator,
CFS Coalition, asfisher@aol.com, 310-822-5410. 


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From: 'Ralph' S. Curran <rcoolman@u.washington.edu>

Ralph Coolman
Seattle P-patch Program

     Dear Friends,

     Attached is a job announcement for a Community Garden Coordinator
     position with the Seattle P-Patch Program.  The position is for a
     project called Cultivating Communities.  The Community Garden
     Coordinator assists neighborhoods in Seatle's low-income housing
     projects in the development of both community and market gardens.  Our
     market gardens use public land to develop small scale Community
     Supported Agriculture enterprises that link the low-income community
     with the greater Seattle community.

     this is an exciting position that requires skills in community
     organizing, organic gardening, program development, grant writing and
     work with multi-cultural groups.  Please reply by July 5, 1996 with a
     resume and cover letter to:

     P-Patch Program
     7th Floor,
     Alaska Building
     618 Second Avenue
     Seattle, WA 98104-2232

               or

     p-patch.dhhs@ci.seattle.was.us


     Good Luck
     Ralph Coolman
     P-Patch Program



     June 24, 1996



     Dear Applicant:

     Thank you for your interest in the position of Community Garden
     Coordinator in our project "Cultivating Communities."  During the last
     two years we have worked with the ethnically diverse residents at four
     Seattle Housing Authority sites to build eleven community gardens and
     one Community Supported Agriculture garden, a cooperative business
     venture between consumers and gardeners. This project was created by a
     partnership of the P-Patch Program, Friends of P-Patch and the Seattle
     Housing Authority to meet a need at the housing sites.  Funding for
     the project, including salary, comes from multiple grant sources.

     This project will continue for two more years.  In the remaining time
     the focus of the project will shift from garden construction
     development to making the gardens and the CSA community managed
     efforts.

     Due to the current City hiring freeze. The coordinator will be hired
     as a temporary employee of the City of Seattle in the P-Patch Program.
      The position will start on August 12, 1996 and last until the end of
     the year. During this time we will begin the process for a permanent
     hire.  Holding the position as a temporary is helpful but no guarantee
     for permanent hire.  As a temporary hire there are no benefits, and
     salary is approximately $31,500/yr.

     If you wish to apply, please send a resume and cover letter of any
     length to P-Patch Program 7th Floor, Alaska Building, 618 Second
     Avenue, Seattle, WA  98104-2232, by July 5, 1996. In your cover letter
     please detail your experience with the minimum qualifications and
     position requirements listed on the attached job announcement.  If you
     have questions, please call 684-0264.

     Thank you for your interest.

     Sincerely,


     P-Patch Program Staff
     Friends of P-Patch Board




     JOB DESCRIPTION

     Coordinator for Community Garden and Community Supported Agriculture

     Job Title: Community Garden Coordinator for "Cultivating Communities"

     Proposed Start Date:  August 12, 1996

     Job:  Coordinate and develop self-reliance among eleven community
     gardens in the Seattle Housing Authority communities of Holly Park,
     Rainier Vista, Yesler Terrace and High Point and oversee transition of
     newly formed community supported agriculture (CSA) project into self-
     sustaining and community managed enterprise.

     Background:  "Cultivating Communities" is a four year collaborative
     project between Friends of P-Patch, a non profit organization, the
     Seattle P-Patch Program and the Seattle Housing Authority.  In phase
     one the project coordinator established 11 community gardens and a
     community-supported agriculture project that employs 7 SHA families
     and delivers produce to 15 to 20 subscribing families.  In phase two
     the focus will shift from development to helping the gardens and the
     CSA become community managed.

     Overall Responsibilities:

        Community Garden Responsibilities.  Work with gardeners to manage
     the gardens; coordinate and secure cooperation of participants in the
     project, including SHA residents, SHA administration, Neighborhood
     House, translators, Friends of P-Patch, and the P-Patch Program among
     others.  Since the gardens must be able to stand on their own at the
     end of the project, the coordinator will need to work with all
     participants to develop systems that will insure survival and
     continuity in the gardens.

        CSA Responsibilities:  Coordinate continuing growth and expansion
     of CSA, working toward goal of CSA becoming community managed and
     self-sustaining.  Facilitate development of relationship between
     subscribers and gardeners.  Implement training programs
     (horticultural, business and marketing) for gardeners.

        Additional responsibilities:  Work with Friends of P-Patch to
     develop  grant funding proposals.  The coordinator will develop the
     program proposal while Friends of P-Patch will manage grant writing.

     Specific Tasks:

     Community Gardens.

        (1)     In the remaining months of 1996, insure that gardens are
     tended, planted and bedded down for winter.  Recruit residents in
     order to continue developing the waitlist and to bring new people into
     gardens;

        (2)     In early 1997 coordinate start of the gardening season,
     meet with gardeners, recruit and place new gardeners, work with
     translators and interpreters where needed, pass out seeds and hold
     gardening workshops;

        (3)     Coordinate with gardening education organizations (Seattle
     Tilth, WSU/King County Extension) to offer workshops on organic
     gardening and provide education tours of community and demonstration
     gardens; and

        (4)     In remaining two years of project, work with gardeners and
     P-Patch Program and SHA to develop a system of self management for the
     gardens.

     Community Supported Agriculture Project

        (1)     In remaining months of 1996, continue to oversee
     production, subscription sales and management of CSA;

        (2)     Beginning in Fall of 1996, work with gardeners and
     subscribers to plan for 1997 production; also begin planning and
     development of system to insure long term viability; Work with
     gardeners and subscribers to expand subscriber waitlist and develop
     other marketing options;  Work with gardeners and subscribers to plan
     training programs in essential market garden skills, including among
     others, marketing, storage, preservation, delivery, sales, accounting.

     Other tasks:

        (1)     Create reports, include photo documentation, for grant
     makers, document project for possible publication as a model project.

     Minimum Qualifications:

        (1)     Demonstrated community organizing skills:  neighborhood
     organizing, community development or grass roots organizing;

        (2)     Demonstrated experience with collaborative work projects
     and the design and implementation of programs;

        (3)     Business development background, with CSAs a plus, but
     especially experience collaborating with others to develop a business;

        (4)     Organic food gardening skills: four years experience
     preferred, though two years of education in horticulture, agriculture,
     organic gardening or similar study, may substitute for one year of
     experience;

        (5)     Demonstrated sensitivity toward cultural diversity;

        (6)     Ability to work with limited supervision and a willingness
     to work some evening and weekend hours;

        (7)     Familiarity with grant proposal preparation and fundraising
     strategies;

        (8)     Computer skills including database management (Paradox) and
     word processing (Word for Windows or WordPerfect);

        (9)     Excellent written and oral communication skills;

        (10)    Valid Washington driver's license and insurance; and

        (11)    Ability to lift 50 pounds.

     Preferred Qualifications:

        (1)     Familiarity with local resources (gardening, community and
     other environmental);

        (2)     Fluency in a language found in the SHA housing sites
     including, Russian, Spanish, Vietnamese, Laotian or Cambodian;

        (3)     Negotiation and problem solving skills with the ability to
     help individuals and the group overcome setbacks (undesirable activity
     or vandalism);

        (4)     Ability to provide safety training for gardeners and
     volunteers;

        (5)     Knowledge of working with a nonprofit board;

        (6)     Ability to work with and maneuver in large bureaucratic
     systems (SHA, City of Seattle);

        (7)     Ability to work within a budget creatively;



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Greeting SANETERS,

45 CSA SHARES AVAILABLE FROM WILDER FOREST FARM- CSA PROGRAMS SERVING YOUTH
AND FAMILIES OF ST. PAUL, THROUGH THE AMHERST H. WILDER FOUNDATION SINCE 1906.

The Wilder Forest Farm supports the mission of the Amherst H. Wilder
Foudation (St. Paul, Minnesota) through a unique program that brings youth,
minorities and immigrant community members to the farm for healing,
education and agricultural experiences.  This announcement is about the
Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) program and shares available.

The Amherst H. Wilder Foundation was founded in 1906 to serve the residents
of St. Paul, Minnesota.  The Wilder Foundation, a non-profit, continues to
serve the community through a miriad of inner city programs and through the
Wilder Forest Farm, located 30 miles east of St. Paul.

The Wilder Forest CSA is the fruit of Native American, Southeast Asian and
African American community gardening on the Wilder Farm. Educational
gardening activities involve children from the SUNFLOWER PROJECT,  who have
emotional, behavioral or physical disabilities. Students from Project Common
Ground (which links Minnesota urban and rural youths) designed portions of
the CSA to integrate agriculture and classroom learning.

CSA SHARES: WHAT, HOW MUCH$ AND WHERE
45 CSA shares are still available.  At this time we anticipate harvesting
beans, beets, bok choy, broccoli, cabbage, carrots, cauliflower, corn,
cucumbers, eggplant, lettuce, muskmelon, onion, parsley, peas, potatoes,
pumpkin, radishes, spinach, squash, swiss chard, tomato, flowers, and herbs.

Three options are available:
1.) Contribute $400 and all produce is donated to the Dorothy Day Center
(for the homeless), Washington County Food Shelf, Ramsey Action Program, and
other non-profits providing food to folks in need.  Total donation is tax
deductible.
2.) Contribute $400 and half the produce goes to your family and the other
half to designated recipients.  Approx. $200 is tax deductible.
3.) Contribute $400 and receive 16-18 weeks of produce.  Enough to feed a
family of four.

Where?  Shares will be available for pick-up in several convenient
locations, based on the locations of the the share-holders.

CONTACT:  ANNA BARKER @ (612) 433-5198, WILDER FOREST FARM

Note:  I'm posting this to SANET as a board member of Wilder's CSA and
Prairie Roots program advisory board.  Wilder Forest Farm has been free of
inorganic and synthetic agricultural inputs for approximately 10 years.
Please support the efforts of Wilder Forest and pass along this information
to any friends and family in the Twin Cities region of Minnesota.

Kathy Draeger


Sustainability International

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From: Kathryn Draeger <kdraeger@pionet.net>
To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Wilder Forest CSA Shares Available

Greeting SANETERS,

45 CSA SHARES AVAILABLE FROM WILDER FOREST FARM- CSA PROGRAMS SERVING YOUTH
AND FAMILIES OF ST. PAUL, THROUGH THE AMHERST H. WILDER FOUNDATION SINCE 1906.

The Wilder Forest Farm supports the mission of the Amherst H. Wilder
Foudation (St. Paul, Minnesota) through a unique program that brings youth,
minorities and immigrant community members to the farm for healing,
education and agricultural experiences.  This announcement is about the
Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) program and shares available.

The Amherst H. Wilder Foundation was founded in 1906 to serve the residents
of St. Paul, Minnesota.  The Wilder Foundation, a non-profit, continues to
serve the community through a miriad of inner city programs and through the
Wilder Forest Farm, located 30 miles east of St. Paul.

The Wilder Forest CSA is the fruit of Native American, Southeast Asian and
African American community gardening on the Wilder Farm. Educational
gardening activities involve children from the SUNFLOWER PROJECT,  who have
emotional, behavioral or physical disabilities. Students from Project Common
Ground (which links Minnesota urban and rural youths) designed portions of
the CSA to integrate agriculture and classroom learning.

CSA SHARES: WHAT, HOW MUCH$ AND WHERE
45 CSA shares are still available.  At this time we anticipate harvesting
beans, beets, bok choy, broccoli, cabbage, carrots, cauliflower, corn,
cucumbers, eggplant, lettuce, muskmelon, onion, parsley, peas, potatoes,
pumpkin, radishes, spinach, squash, swiss chard, tomato, flowers, and herbs.

Three options are available:
1.) Contribute $400 and all produce is donated to the Dorothy Day Center
(for the homeless), Washington County Food Shelf, Ramsey Action Program, and
other non-profits providing food to folks in need.  Total donation is tax
deductible.
2.) Contribute $400 and half the produce goes to your family and the other
half to designated recipients.  Approx. $200 is tax deductible.
3.) Contribute $400 and receive 16-18 weeks of produce.  Enough to feed a
family of four.

Where?  Shares will be available for pick-up in several convenient
locations, based on the locations of the the share-holders.

CONTACT:  ANNA BARKER @ (612) 433-5198, WILDER FOREST FARM

Note:  I'm posting this to SANET as a board member of Wilder's CSA and
Prairie Roots program advisory board.  Wilder Forest Farm has been free of
inorganic and synthetic agricultural inputs for approximately 10 years.
Please support the efforts of Wilder Forest and pass along this information
to any friends and family in the Twin Cities region of Minnesota.

Kathy Draeger


Sustainability International

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Phone:  610-683-1486
FAX:    610-683-1494


Rodale Institute's GardenFest! '96 =20
To Take Place August 3

Organic Food Court, Farmers Market Stands, Free On Site=20
Parking Among New Features.=20


KUTZTOWN, PA- GardenFest!, a celebration of organic gardening and food, =
will be held this year on Saturday August 3 at the Rodale Institute =
Experimental Farm near Kutztown, PA.  =20

The annual event is sponsored by Rodale Institute, and features =
workshops and demonstrations from garden experts and authors from across =
the country.

Over three thousand people from across the country attended GardenFest! =
last year.

Twenty garden workshops are being offered, running continuously from 9 =
am to 5 PM, at seven different sites.  Topics include growing =
perennials, vegetable gardening, water gardens, composting, cooking, and =
the many uses of herbs.

Michael Ableman of Santa Barbara, California, will give his presentation =
"From the Good Earth", a photographic tour of gardens and farms around =
the world.  Ableman will be the keynote speaker at the International =
Federation of Organic Movements' world conference in Denmark later in =
August. Mr. Ableman's approach to growing is so unique, his farm is =
zoned for education.  He was featured along with Rodale Institute in the =
December 1995 issue of National Geographic magazine.

Other presenters include tree fruit expert Lee Reich, herbalist Judith =
Benn Hurley and TV=20

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host Jeff Ball.  Mike McGrath, editor in chief of ORGANIC GARDENING =
magazine, will attempt to answer 1,952 garden questions in 60 minutes, =
and Bertha Reppert has tips for organic herb growers.  All of the guest =
speakers will be on hand throughout the day to answer questions and =
autograph books.

Food choices have been expanded.  Several local caterers and restaurants =
will offer=20
healthy lunches, snacks and beverages in a new food court.=20

This year, attendees can take home a bounty of fresh, organically grown =
food and plants.  A new growers market will be located on the path to =
the parking field.  Visitors can browse the stands on their way in, and =
save their shopping for the way out, so they won't be burdened with =
packages all day.  A half dozen local organic farmers will set up stands =
for the day.=20

There will be guided tours of the world-renowned Experimental Farm =
throughout the day.  The Rodale Institute bookstore, featuring a wide =
range of books, unusual hand tools, plants, gifts and crafts, will be =
open all day.  A book sale will take place under a tent outside the =
store.

Families are encouraged, with adult-supervised children's programs =
throughout the day.  There will be nature walks, a butterfly release, =
pasta-making, crafts, games, and the new "worm tunnel" in the children's =
garden.  Children ages 5 and up are welcome at any time.

Attendees can also tour Food: The Essence of Life.  This museum quality, =
indoor exhibit  traces the evolution of food and agriculture =
technologies from the Neolithic era to the present.  Celebrating the =
first anniversary of its opening last year at GardenFest, new activities =
for children have been added.  Kids can fill out a passport at each =
station they visit, and enter their completed passport in a prize =
drawing.

Art In The Garden is an exhibit of original paintings and sculptures by =
regional artists.  All of the work being shown will be for sale.

A market of Pennsylvania handcrafts will line the path from the =
bookstore

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to the garden, featuring the work of 15 craftspeople from around the =
region.

New this year will be free parking on site.  No longer must attendees =
park at Kutztown University and ride a shuttle bus to GardenFest!  =
Directions to the Rodale Institute Experimental Farm are provided in the =
registration kit.

Garden equipment and supply companies will have displays and =
demonstrations of garden power equipment, seeds and plants, tools, and =
supplies for successful organic gardening.

Live bluegrass music will be performed throughout the day by the Plywood =
Cattle Company Band.

The fire that destroyed Rodale Institute's operations shed will not be a =
setback to this year's GardenFest.  The blaze took down a large =
outbuilding that was not part of the GardenFest! site.  The remains of =
the building and debris will be removed before the festival opens.

Preregistration for GardenFest! is $25, which includes passes to three =
lectures, filled on a first-come, first served basis.  Additional =
lectures are $7 each.  The deadline for Preregistration is July 26.  =
General admission to GardenFest! on August 3, which does not include =
workshops, is $8 for adults and $5 for children 5 to 12 years of age.  =
Parking is free.  GardenFest! brochures and registration forms are =
available by writing:  GardenFest!, 611 Siegfriedale road, Kutztown, PA  =
19530.  Or, call 610-683-1400 Monday through Friday.
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Michelle - this note is mostly for you.  I lost your e-mail address!

Our farmer's market made an entry into the 4th of July parade yesterday.  We
just at the last minute decorated an old pickup with our banners, bails of
hay and baskets of stuff.  Some people walked beside to pass out our
brochures to the crowd, someone pushed a wheel barrow full of garlic and
shell peas.  Others passed out the peas to the crowd.  It was terrific, well
received and great to hear kids and adults yelling, "throw a pea to me
please" instead of "more candy, more candy".  Next year we will plan on
having more peas and some carrots to hand out to the crowd.  My mother always
said "Feed them and they will listen."

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Hello Lawrence,
Was that your question I read with Duncan's reply? I'm still learning this

==
No, somebody else's. I'm guessing it came from csa-l so I'm forwarding 
your reply to that list.
LL
==

email stuff. Anyhow, as far as CSA/Farmers' Mkt or the way you layed out,
is the goal to get more $ going to the 'mkt' basically, as they are usually
struggling?
The 10 farmers/producers to supply the 50 families is ok, and the sharers
could visit the farm on occasion, it's the upfront, annual/full season/hell
or high water commitment that sets CSA apart from subcription.
That's a big chunk back to the mkt, many CSA retain their farmers' mkt
position and deliver their shares from the same spot as the piecemeal
purchases.But most of them can't wait to just be a CSA operation entirely
and drop the other markets.Please send this off to Duncan if I was s'posed
to send it there.
Toward Sustainability, Robyn Van En, CSA of N. America


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I just had this idea I am going to throw out to my subscribers. Most live
in fairly close proximity to the farm. I just competed my first full year
as a csa and figured my books. I found I netted about 2800 dollars for my
years labor. A bit frustrating I must say. Not discouraging though because
of the enthusiasm of some of my loyalist subscribers. Still if my wife
didn't have a good job and we didn't owned our house it could have been
"unsustainable."

It seems a bit unfair that I grow and distribute some of the finest,
healthiest, food in a way that is highly environmentally and socially
sensitive, work my butt into the ground,produce an abundance of produce,
and still not be able to earn but about $1.10/hr. (hell! it is unfair.)

But I love this connection with the people who eat my food. How can I best
explain to them both the problems of farming and the quality and care of
the food they are recieving. To do so would require me to sit down with
each of them individually and spend an evening talking about food, health,
environment, and community.

My idea is to do just that. I am going to propose that part of the loose
"understanding " of the
obligations subscribers will have to the farm, is to once per
year invite me and my wife to their home for a vegetarian - non-dairy
meal prepared around that week's harvest share.

I have about 50 subscribers so we would be eating out about once per week,
getting to know some very great people, eating great food.

I like to keep things loose and adaptable so this would not be a
requirement, only a suggestion for my subscribers, but one I think several
would embrase with pleasure.

I'll tell them, " Thursday evenings are good".  And start
marking my calendar.

Then, I have a cheap poloroid camera. I can take a picture of the host
family and the meal they have prepared, write up their recipies and post
it all the next week! A year or two of doing this and I'll have a great
CSA Cook Book and some great personal friends, and hopefully loyal
continuing subscribers.

It is just an idea. I haven't even proposed it yet but thought I'd throw
it out to you guys to make use of if it fits your setup.

Richard

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On Jul 06, 1996 15:45:09, 'Spring Toms <spring@ecst.csuchico.edu>' wrote: 
 
> 
> I am going to propose that part of the loose 
>"understanding " of the 
>obligations subscribers will have to the farm, is to once per 
>year invite me and my wife to their home for a vegetarian - non-dairy 
>meal prepared around that week's harvest share. 
 
I think this is a great and very creative idea, Richard (as long as you
don't become overwhelmed by it).  Promoting that direct connection with
your community will undoubtedly help your members understand how CSA is
fundamentally different from other food economies.  And it'll help you
learn what your members needs and desires are (plus who'se good at cooking
zuchinni). 
> 
A year or two of doing this and I'll have a great 
>CSA Cook Book and some great personal friends, and hopefully loyal 
>continuing subscribers. 
> 
 
Let us know what you find.  I imagine it'll help you build stronger
connections with your members, who will then become more committed to the
farm.   
 
Unfortunately, the idea doesn't apply readily to Roxbury, the CSA for which
I'm a core groupie, because the farm is nearly 3 hours from the New York
City drop-off point, and there are 230 members here.  Even if we could get
the farmers to stay one evening for dinner (and the mornings after they're
here, they have a harvest), at whose house would they eat?  Oy. 
 
Thanks for the idears. 
 
Sarah Milstein 
 

From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org  Mon Jul  8 16:30:51 1996
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Richard -

Dining with your members sounds like a great idea.  Most consumers really 
don't know what goes into farming, so hearing it from "their" farmer would 
really bring it home.  Also, the personal connection is very important in 
CSA.  Just seeing you once a week may not be enough for people to 
sympathize with your economics.

If you tell them what you told us, that you're making $1.10 an hour, that 
should also help.  It's not even minimum wage, and it is conceptually a 
number that people can understand.  "Let's see, I make $15 an hour, and 
have a hard time paying all my bills.  How can he survive on $1.10?"  
More than one CSA has said that their members raised their wages once 
they found out how low they really were.

And finally, don't despair.  CSAs often have hard times the first year or 
two.  

Your idea reminds me of the country parson traveling around 
dining with his parisioners and spreading the Good Word at the same time.

Bill


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Hello,
I am ne wto this list and was wondering if there is any way that
I would be able to search past postings so that I dont have to 
take up a lot of space with things already discussed?

Any help would be appreciated!

Dan Dietz
Reedsburg WI

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Hello,
My name is Dan Dietz and I live in Reedsburg WI. I am not directly involed
with a CSA, but have a part-time co-worker who operates a 40 family CSA.
I will also be giving her the address for this group.

Even though I am not directly involved with a CSA,I think it is a wonderfull
Idea. I hope to soon Start raisng stocker cattle using rotational grazing. I 
have considered marketing finished beef or lamb through CSA that dont raise 
their own. Does anyone use this method? Also most of the CSA's I'm familar
with dont offer meat or animal products. Do many of you? I guess one of my main 
interest is in getting non farmers to understand the importance of our food 
supply and the work and risk that go into it.

One of the interesting aspects of Donna's (my co-worker) CSA is that the market 
they serve is 200 miles away in Chicago. They (Donna & Jay) are original from
Chicago. To get the food delivered they have 2 families come up each weekend
and stay for a "farm experience" in there upstairs apt. and then haul the 
produce back for them. Most of their subscribers say that the farm visit is
just as good as the food.

Looking forward to the list!
Dan Dietz
Farmer Wannabe
Reddsburg Wisconsin

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Since I am responding to a message dated May 20, it will be clear to
everyone here that I am months behind on my e-mail.  But I've cleared over
200 messages this rainy afternoon alone, so there's hope!  Anyway... 
 
On May 20, 1996 11:46:42, 'jcb13@cornell.edu (Jennifer Bokaer-Smith)'
wrote: 
 
 
>Last year we started offering choices to our shareholders--choose 2 of 
>broccoli, cauliflower, red cabbage, green cabbage, or choose two kinds of 
>herbs, or two bunches of 5 different kinds of greens.  
 
We have just started doing this with the Roxbury Farm distributions. 
Although some items can't be adapted to this system (sweet corn, melons),
we're finding that it works nicely with greens.  We haven't yet tried it
with other items, but plan to do so with nightshades and other fruit-type
veggies when they come in. 
 
There was a lot of anxiety amongst our core group members before we started
this system, but it's working well so so far and I'm encouraged by
Jennifer's note.  Has anyone else had specific experience with this sort of
distribution?  (We got the idea from Michael Docter's article last year in
Growing For Market.) 
 
Sarah Milstein

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On May 20, 1996 11:46:26, 'jrhall@iastate.edu' wrote: 
 
 
>In a somewhat related area, is anyone doing or thinking of writing core  
>group functions into your budget (ie paying both garden and coordination  
>work in food, paid for by other members)?  
 
The Roxbury Farm CSA has three communities, each with it's own core group. 
While I can't speak for the arrangements of the other two groups, I can
report that the NYC core group includes in its budget (which is split
amongst the 230 local sharers in NYC) money to compensate those who fill
core group positions that require a lot of work (site coordinators,
volunteer coordinators, treasurer, etc.).  Our most active core group
members all have specific roles and are compensated with free shares.   
 
We have, however, taken into account the possibility that in the future, we
may need to set aside money to pay somebody to do the job of primary site
coordination, which involves a lot of hours and fairly high degree of
responsibility and organizition.  So we've worked into our buget enough $$
to pay that person $7/hour for fives hours per week, over 33 weeks.  I'm
doing the job now on a volunteer basis and am comped with a double share
(which costs $526), so the extra money is rolled back into our local
administrative funds. 
 
Since we split the local budget amongst 230 sharers, we have a good deal of
latitude in adding on high-ticket budget items (like comp shares for 6
people).  I don't take this for granted, and I do think it's important to
consider not only keeping costs down for members, but the ways in which a
farm's system can be made sustainable for the people doing the work (not
just the growers). 
 
Sarah Milstein

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Hi, John. 
 
A few months ago, you wrote: 
 
>We've just finished signing up members for our third year at Prairieland  
>CSA in Champaign, IL.  Over three years we've grown from 30 (1994) to 70  
>(1995) to 110 (1996)  members, but have had high turnover and a trend  
>toward more people purchasing the smaller of the two size shares we  
>offer... 
>Approximately 2/3 of last years 70 shareholders left and many more new  
>members joined this year.  
 
Most CSAs with whom I've discussed this issue report that they find the
same trend in buying patterns:  every year, more people opt for the smaller
of two sizes.  But a 66% turnover rate sounds high to me.  The Roxbury NYC
retention rate was about 75% from last year to this year (with a slight
increase in membership, from 225 to 230 shares -- small size), and other
CSAs have told me that after a few years -- barring a major upheaval in the
garden or a change of staff or distribution site -- they stabilize at a
similar level. 
 
Everyone seems to find that non-renewing members don't return surveys. I
wonder, though, if they'd be willing to talk on the phone for five minutes.
 Next year, I'm planning to initiate a little phone campaign to discover
why people don't renew with us, and I'll report back my findings. 
 
I'll be quite curious to learn why you find people aren't renewing with
Prairieland. 
 
Sarah

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I  
>have considered marketing finished beef or lamb through CSA that dont
raise  
>their own. Does anyone use this method? Also most of the CSA's I'm familar

>with dont offer meat or animal products. Do many of you? 
 
Roxbury Farm offers beef shares twice a year and pork shares once a year,
both of which are derived from the farm's own animals.  The shares comprise
about 20 pounds of meat at a shot and come frozen.   
 
In Columbia County, one of the three distribution areas for Roxbury,
chickens from a nearby farm -- as well as 11+ other very local products
(honey, maple syrup, eggs, bread, yogurt, cheese, etc.) -- are offered to
the membership weekly (there are about 150 households there).  This
"pre-order" system is administered by two core group members who do it on a
part-time basis.  Their goal is to eventually be able to supply members
with most of their food needs from local sources, and in turn, to be
significantly supporting the local economy. 
 
So although we've got a disproportionate number of vegetarians, promoting
vegetarianism in not a goal of the farm, and we're all too happy to help
support healthy, local relationships between producers and eaters of all
kinds. 
 
Sarah

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:46:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy Clark, SAN Coordinator <san@nal.usda.gov>
To: D J Dietz <djdietz@globaldialog.com>
Cc: CrisCarusi@aol.com, sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: CSA and sanet-mg archives

On Sat, 13 Jul 1996, D J Dietz wrote:

> I am new to this list and enjoying it very much so far. What I am wondering
> is the following;
>       1. Is there any way to search the past post to
>       this list for a particular subject?
>
>       2. Do CSA farming issues ever get discussed on
>       this list?


Dan, and SANetters:

CSA's have been discussed quite a bit on sanet-mg, and are an appropriate 
topic for the list.  

You can access the archives of all sanet messages ever posted in three 
ways:  1) by using the almanac server which is located at NCSU;
       2) via gopher
       3) on the SAN/SARE Home page

I'll explain each below.

1)  NCSU ALMANAC

WARNING:  ANYONE WHO SENDS ALMANAC COMMANDS TO THE WHOLE GROUP WILL BE 
MYSTERIOUSLY SUBSCRIBED TO direct-mkt!  SEND ALMANAC COMMANDS TO ALMANAC, 
NOT TO THE WHOLE GROUP.

 Almanac is the computer software on which sanet-mg runs.  Any
messages sent to almanac@ces.ncsu.edu (like subscribe, unsubscribe, which
SHOULD be sent to almanac, not to sanet-mg) are handled automatically. 
That is, you're talking to a computer which recognizes only the EXACT
command it's been told to recognize. 

The information I'm providing now is included in the Almanac Users 
Guide.  You can get this guide by sending a message to: 

almanac@ces.ncsu.edu

In the BODY of the message, type ONLY:

send guide


You can get from almanac a list of EVERY message ever sent to sanet-mg!  
There were 5000 messages as of the end of 1995 (from October 1, 1991).
The catalog comes in blocks of about 500 messages if you request it from 
almanac, and it takes about 100 pages to print out.  IN OTHER WORDS, it's 
a HUGE document, broken up into about ten VERY LARGE DOCUMENTS.  Be careful, 
some systems may not be able to handle them.

To get the listing of all sanet messages ever posted, send a message to:

almanac@ces.ncsu.edu

In the BODY of the message type ONLY:

send sanet-mg catalog

The catalog has one line per message, with message NUMBER., DATE, SENDER 
and SUBJECT.
You can then request individual messages by sending a message to almanac 
(requesting message number 4399) that says:

send sanet-mg 4399

and you would get a copy of message number 4399.

This method is cumbersome, but may be of interest to anyone wanting to do 
a comprehensive study of messages sent to sanet!

2)  Gopher

If you've learned to use gopher, you can gopher to:
gopher.ces.ncsu.edu

If you've never been to this site, there's lots of good SAN information 
at the site.  Look around while you're visiting.

Choose #6, National CES Information.
Choose #4, National Mail Groups.     
Choose #5, sanet-mg.


You are prompted for seach term(s).  Type in a word or words, and the 
gopher returns a menu of mail messages that contain some or all of your 
search words.  I just did that using the term CSA and got the maximum 40 
hits.  This limit of 40 hits also limits the usefulness of the gopher for 
doing a comprehensive search of the archives.  

Here's part of what I pulled up from the gopher search
using 'CSA' as a search term: 


                 Search Sustainable Ag. Mailist (sanet-mg): CSA

      1.  Unknown Subject
      2.  Eric D Nash <ednS94@hamp.hampshire.edu>
 -->  3.  G410764694 Re: Community Supported Agriculture
      4.  Eric D Nas Re: ?: veg.prodution list
      5.  gsnelson@c Re: Madison CSA Cookbook
      6.  ehansen@ga Re: Biodynamic Association CSA Conference
      7.  Robert Ste Re: CSA info desired
      8.  "Zbynek Ul Re:       CSA -literature needed
      9.  Tom Wall < Re: Another Madison CSA ......
      10. caingels@u Re: ANNOUNCE: Internship
      11. Melissa A  Re: looking for CSA grants
      12. Marc Safle Re:  Another Madison CSA Cookbook Question
      13. kellyd@ext Re: Upcoming Event
      14. Colehour A Re: Community Supported Agriculture
      15. Farmer to  Re: Re: CSAs

You can then select and read the messages, mail them to yourself or 
others, etc.


By far the best technology for searching sanet-mg archives is to check 
out the SAN/SARE home page at http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/san/

3)  SAN/SARE Home Page on the WWW

All messages ever posted to sanet-mg are now available on the SAN/SARE 
home page at http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/san/

This page is still under construction, and has not yet been announced 
publicly (until now!).

Select the button or the text link for sanet-mg archives, and you'll be 
able to search packets of 500 messages, or you can search the entire 
database (takes a bit of time, not too long).  You can also just start 
reading.  

---  This is what you'll see when you get to the archives, which are at
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/san/htdocs/hypermail/hypermail.html


Select A SAN Mail Log:

     Starting: Mon 03 Jun 1996 - 00:00:-10034 EDT
     Ending: Sat 13 Jul 1996 - 00:00:-75988 EDT
         Search Engine for the Above Mail Log 

     Starting: Wed 17 Apr 1996 - 00:00:-42361 EDT
     Ending: Mon 03 Jun 1996 - 00:00:-14010 EDT
         Search Engine for the Above Mail Log 

etc...
-----

Messages can be sorted by date, by thread (or topic of discussion), or by 
author (once you're in a mail log, or have executed a search).  It's 
powerful.  

However, it has some kinks.  For example, below is some of what I
retrieved when I used CSA as a search term.  Two of the 'hits' do not
apply to CSA's.  You'll see when you go into any message that included in
that message is a link to the NEXT and the PREVIOUS messages sent to
sanet, and, in the case of the 'bad hits', the next or previous message was
about CSA's!  Try it, you'll find your way around, or I'll be glad to
offer assistance (san@nal.usda.gov). 


     mbox-14: Farmers' Market-based CSA? 
     mbox-14: Two New FWS Servers and Redesigned Service Home Page (fwd) 
     mbox-14: Re: DIRECT-MKT: Re: Farmers' Market-Based CSA? 
     mbox-14: Job at CSA 
     mbox-14: Farmers' Market-Based CSA? 
     mbox-14 by author 
 etc...
-------------

So, for those of you who made it to the end of this very long post, you've
gotten an unofficial announcement of the SAN Home Page.  Official
announcement coming on sanet in a couple of weeks, just after the SAN
Committee meets in Burlington, VT in late July to discuss the home page,
our plans for publications in the coming year, progress on this year's
projects, and more. 

I'll be glad to help anyonw with any of these applications, and 
Happy surfing!

Andy Clark, Ph.D.
SAN Coordinator
c/o AFSIC, Room 304
National Agricultural Library
10301 Baltimore Ave.
Beltsville, MD  20705-2351
PH:  301-504-6425
FAX: 301-504-6409
san@nal.usda.gov
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/san/


On Sat, 13 Jul 1996, D J Dietz wrote:

> I am new to this list and enjoying it very much so far. What I am wondering 
> is the following;
> 	1. Is there any way to search the past post to 
> 	this list for a particular subject?
> 	
> 	2. Do CSA farming issues ever get discussed on
> 	this list?
> 
> 	3. Does any one know of a list serveer that
> 	deals with only CSA (or possiblely market 
> 	gardening)?
> 
> Thank You for any help
> Dan Dietz Reedsburg Wisconsin
> 

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On Jul 14, 1996 07:48:50, 'BRateaver@aol.com' wrote: 
 
 
>I do believe, that if people had more ideas of how to eat more vegetables
in 
>easily prepared and very palatable ways, they would not be so quick to
give 
>up the CSA weekly box.  
 
I think you're quite right that sharers are easily overwhelmed by their
veggies and often don't know what to do with them.   
 
We distribute a one-page farm letter each week, with a handwritten note
from one of the farm staff on one side and several recipes for the most
unusual or abundant veggies that week.  And we find that people are often
fanatical about getting their farm letter and recipes -- more so than they
are about their vegetables!  Many a sharer has told me how important those
recipes have been in helping them stay on top of their weekly produce. 
 
We're endlessly learning that education is a big part of CSA... 
 
Sarah

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Further responses to questions that are many months old... 
 
On May 13, 1996 23:45:26, 'bg006@scn.org (Douglas Hendrickson)' wrote: 
 
> 
>I would like to know what other CSAs are doing in the way of outreach.
What 
>works well and what doesn't. Have any of you approached the religious  
>communities for support and have they responded?  
 
In Albany, NY, one of the three delivery areas for Roxbury Farm, the bulk
of the membership was initially recruited through a project of the Roman
Catholic Diocese there.  It seemed a natural match -- what with their
built-in community structure and interest in supporting grass roots
organizations (no pun intended).  And the Roxbury delivery site in NYC is a
large church, a number of whose members have joined the farm. 
 
But a couple of CSAs in western Mass have told me that they've had no luck
whatsoever with religious groups.  
 
I imagine much rests on the enthusiasm for CSA of the religious community
leaders, and if one group is not responsive, another may well be.  Based on
our experience, it would be well worth pursuing a few. 
 
>What kind of effort have you  
>made to reach out to the poor? 
 
Although we donate our surplus to a large food pantry in NYC (one, in fact,
that operates out of the church where we have our veg distribution), we're
just begining to explore the ways in which we can offer regular shares to a
more diverse economic population.  Ideas that we hope to incorporate in the
next season include:  food stamps; scholarship shares (partial and full);
sliding scale share prices; and payment over time.  While we believe we can
support some or all of these options financially, we have not yet worked
out the ways in which we'll reach new individuals and communicate with
them.   
 
That is, I'm not assuming that low-income residents are uneducated or
indifferent towards clean produce and local farming issues, but they've
probably got less access to the relevant information that our upper middle
class members have (NYTimes articles, Sierra Club bulletins, The Nation,
etc.) and may need some different types of materials and/or presentations
to introduce them to CSA (and keep them in it!).  For instance, many
immigrants in NYC come from rural areas and might be very interested in
having a relationship with a family farm, but have little awareness of
organics.  So perhaps a successful conversation in those communities
(besides being in another language or involving an interpreter) might focus
on agricultural issues more than environmental/health ones.  We're
currently working on this piece of our nascent campaign to diversify our
membership. 
 
Of course, low-income urban residents and low-income rural residents
present some different challenges (as do middle- and high-income residents
everywhere!).  Either way, I'd certainly like to hear about other CSAs'
experiences with low-income members. 
 
Sarah 
 

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On May 14, 1996 12:44:46, '"Peter D. Miller" <peterm@uiuc.edu>' wrote: 
 
 
>Hi-I'm Peter Miller from Prairieland CSA in Champaign, IL.  Our farmer is 
>paying with vegetables and share discounts to prepare "crop sheets"  for 
>all the different things that (we hope) will be harvested this year.  The 
>sheets will contain information about the crop (history, nutrition info., 
>etc.) as well as a few recipes.  So by the end of the season, we'll have 
>48 of these sheets, ready to go for next year.  I imagine that we'll also 
>post the sheets on the web so that people elsewhere can use them and 
>improve on them.  
> 
>Has anyone else already done something like this?  If so, it would  
>certainly be helpful to get a look at them (In fact, if they already  
>exist, then we might be able to focus our efforts on updating them and  
>making them available to other groups via the web!) 
 
I'm in the very last stages of a handbook for Roxbury Farm that includes a
"Produce at a Glance" section developed by one of our full-time gardeners,
who happens to be a nutritionist.  When I get the whole document together,
I'll make it available somewhere handy on the Net. 
 
In the meantime, I have a looseleaf book from a CSA in upstate NY that has
a page for each of about 50 vegetables, with info, recipes and beautiful
drawings.  It's at home, and I'm at work, but I'll post the info about it
tonight. 
 
Sarah

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In a message dated 96-07-15 12:04:36 EDT, you write:

>It would be great if you could post a note about your event to csa-l.  I
>really appreciate your input there and would love to hear about your
>experiences this past weekend. 
> 
Our farm was the "working garden" on the tour of 5 gardens this year.  Only
two of the 3000 + people walked away in disgust, one stating our garden was
too ordinary to be on the tour, the other furious about our cruelty to the
chickens in their chicken tractors.  The tour committee made nice signs for
us to use as educational tools.  Many more folks in our community will be
properly composting now.  They also supplied enthusiastic volunteers who
enjoyed explaining the CSA concept and our farming techniques and philosophy.
 If I have to tell anyone one more time that the purple flowers are larkspur
I will puke but overall it was a grand experience.  We got tons of positive
comments about how much work it must be to do this and where can they get
produce from us, they just had no idea such an operation was in their
community!
Many people just said a sincere Thank You.  The best part was meeting
interesting people such as an established herb grower in a neigboring town, a
woman from South America who brought some interesting plants here to try to
grow, a couple who might try to do what we are doing someday. The other
benefits included the opportunity to give a lecture on the topic of our
choice - Sustainable Agriculture in your Neighborhood, and to supply 30
pounds of salad greens for the luncheon with our farm name prominently
placed. We also distributed many brochures from our farm with the CSA
information and brochures about our local farmer's market.
I'm glad it is over, I'm glad we did it. We couldn't have had things look
this nice without 15 friends coming over last Sunday for 5 hours of weeding.
 To end it all, we reserved our first 3 shares for the CSA yesterday.

Suzy
Ocean Sky Farm

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This message is to serve double duty:  replying to KT Newlin about CSAs in
the Rochester area, and citing the FoodBook (a CSA-generated book with
listings by veggie) that I mentioned in an earlier post. 
 
The CSA is Genesee Valley Organic Community Supported Agriculture Project
(GVOCSA), which is, I believe, a part of Rose Valley Farm.  
 
Elizabeth Henderson and David Stern are the growers at Rose Valley/GVOCSA. 
They produced the FoodBook, which is a beautifully-illustrated, 128-page
looseleaf document.  It lists crops seasonally, and for each crop, there's
historical and nutrional information, plus cooking and storage tips and
recipes.  It's quite a wonderful and complete (regionally speaking) book. 
 
The address for the FoodBook and for Rose Valley Farm is 4209 Covell Road,
Rose, New York, 14542-0149.  {Presumably, one can reach GVOCSA at that
address, too.}  A single copy of the FoodBook, with looseleaf binder, costs
$9.50; coverless copies are $7, and you can make as many copies as you
want, provided you pay Rose Valley $2.50 per copy in royalties.  The
profits from the FoodBook go towards scholarships to enable low-income
people to join the CSA (so far, they've made enough for 3 people to join,
paying $3/week in food stamps).  (N.B.  When I ordered the book in April,
they were hoping to produce a supplement with about 100 additional recipes
later this spring.) 
 
While we're at it, does anybody know of any other CSAs in the Rochester
area?  ktl103@email.psu.edu is looking for them.  (Jennifer, you're not
there, are you?) 
 
Sarah Milstein

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On Jul 15, 1996 20:00:37, 'SCook21809@aol.com' wrote: 
 
 
> 
>>  
>Our farm was the "working garden" on the tour of 5 gardens this
year.....We got tons of positive 
>comments about how much work it must be to do this and where can they get 
>produce from us, they just had no idea such an operation was in their 
>community!.....We also distributed many brochures from our farm with the
CSA 
>information and brochures about our local farmer's market..... 
>To end it all, we reserved our first 3 shares for the CSA yesterday. 
 
Suzy, it sounds like it was a wonderful opportunity, well used.  I gather
it was part of a larger annual event.  Who sponsors the tours/events?  It
sounds like just the thing every CSA needs. 
 
BTW, I forget:  where are you located?  
 
Thanks for taking the time to write up your day.  It was great to read
about it. 
 
Sarah 
 
   
 

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I  wanted to  respond  to  Sarah's message  with  regard to  shareholder
retention.... It  just so happens I  am doing a master's  thesis on that
very topic. I'm a graduate student at the University of Georgia, working
with  five  different  CSA farmers  here  in  the  SE  on the  issue  of
shareholder retention.  While Southern CSAs  are not nearly as  large as
some (the five farms I am working  with range from 15 - 75 members),they
are still experiencing the same high turnover rates as most.

We have hypothesized  that high turnover rates may have  something to do
with  unrealistic  expectations  held  by  new  members.  To  test  this
hypothesis I  called all  the new  members from each  of the  five farms
participating in the study in the  Spring, well before they had received
any vegetables. I asked them all (approximately 85 people) the same five
questions. Basically I wanted to  know what their expectations were with
regard  to  the  agriculture  component  of CSA,  and  also  what  their
expectations were with  regard to the 'community' component  of CSA. The
last question  had to do with  share price. The question  went something
like "Given  the expectations  you have just  expressed, would  you have
been willing  to pay "share  price + 10%?,  +20%?, +30%?, etc."  until I
reached the upper limit  of what they would have been  willing to pay. I
will call  all of  these 85  people back at  the end  of the  season and
remind them what  they said in the  Spring. Then we'll be  able to judge
whether or not their expectations were realized... and whether they were
realistic to begin  with. The share price question will  also be reasked
and I imagine the results will be quite interesting.

Anyway, that was a wordy way of  saying I do think, Sarah, phone surveys
will work. All of  the new members I spoke with were  more than happy to
spend at least  five minutes on the phone with  a total stranger. Surely
you'll be known to some of your members. I have preliminary results from
the Spring  phone calls  if anyone  is interested.  Of course  the final
results won't  be available until  after I've  made the 'end  of season'
follow-up  calls.  Hopefully we'll  shed  some  light  on the  issue  of
shareholder retention.

Deborah Kane

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Sorry if I've missed discussion of how to tell where CSA's are in
progress.  I live in Salt Lake and am wondering if there's a CSA
around here or if there's any interest that's been expressed in one.

Are there any guides to organizing CSA's, or books on the subject?
Is there a web site of resources?  I checked the about-this-list
mail I got when I signed on and there's no mention of any of the
above...

I'd be willing to donate space on my web site to put something
together if there's interest.

	Gary

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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org  Mon Jul 29 13:37:13 1996
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Dear Gary

The Biodynamic Association of America maintains the best list of CSA's in
the country.
This list is NOT currently on the net, but you can get a hardcopy by
calling them.

To get their phone number or address, check the BD association home page at

www.his.com/~claymont/bda.html

And when you talk to them, don't forget to encourage them to make that CSA
database available through the homepage!!


Thanks,

-Allan Balliett
BIODYNAMIC ASSOCIATION of AMERICA Webmaster

>Sorry if I've missed discussion of how to tell where CSA's are in
>progress.  I live in Salt Lake and am wondering if there's a CSA
>around here or if there's any interest that's been expressed in one.
>
>Are there any guides to organizing CSA's, or books on the subject?
>Is there a web site of resources?  I checked the about-this-list
>mail I got when I signed on and there's no mention of any of the
>above...
>
>I'd be willing to donate space on my web site to put something
>together if there's interest.
>
>	Gary
>
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>Gary Shea                                          Salt Lake City, Utah
>shea@xmission.com                         http://www.xmission.com/~shea


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I have a small farm 10 miles outside of Houston and am interested in any CSA
programs. 

I received this address from Urban Harvest in Houston. 

Would appreciate any information you could forward to me. 

Don

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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 15:46:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: abaumg <abaumg@artic.edu>
To: jbarclay@prairienet.org
Subject: CSAs-- ACTIVE RESISTANCE

Dear Prairieland -

I am contacting you on behalf of Active Resistance, a counter-convention to
the DNC, taking place Aug. 21-31in Chicago. We're interested in finding a
speaker to talk about CSAs and alternative food management and resources.
Would anyone in your organization be interested in speaking? We can send
you more information about the conference. Feel free to email me or call:
312.252.8054.
Thankyou-
Sacha Marini


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PLEASE RESPOND TO CRAIG *AND* THE LIST -- NOT TO ME! 
 
Thanx.  -- S 
 
>----- Forwarded message (craig.harris@ssc.msu.edu) -----< 
 
 
dear sarah, 
pam murray suggested that i contact you about a question i have . . . i
work on  
the transition of fruit production from conventional to more sustainable
pest  
management . . . one of the important factors in making that transition is 

marketing arrangements . . . thus i'm curious how many csa's include fruit
in  
the products which are produced and exchanged . . . i don't particularly
want  
to join the csa listserve, so i'm wondering if you would be willing to post
my  
question on the csa list and ask people either to respond to me directly  
(craig.harris@ssc.msu.edu) or to cc a response to me if they respond to the
 
list 
thanks, 
craig 
 
 
craig k harris 
dept of sociology    michigan state university    east lansing  michigan   
48824-1111 
tel:  517-355-5048    fax:  517-432-2856

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Dear Sanetters and CSA folks,

Ken Robbins is one of my husband's HAM friends in Southern CA.  This is scary
stuff.  If we all respond and spread the word, maybe they will find they have
nothing to sell.  I suggest we forward an irate message to our congressional
representation.

Marcie


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Your name, social security number, current address, previous addresses,
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are now available to anyone with a credit card through a new Lexis database
called P-Trax. As I am sure you are aware, this information
could be used to commit credit card fraud or otherwise allow someone else to
use your identity.
 
You can have your name and information removed from this list by making a
telephone request. Call (800)543-6862, select option 4 and
then option 3 ("all other questions") and tell the representative answering
that you wish to remove your name from the P-trax database. You
may also send a fax to (513) 865-7360, or physical mail to LEXIS-NEXIS /
P.O. Box 933 / Dayton, Ohio 45401-0933. Sending physical
mail to confirm your name has been removed is always a good idea.
 
As word of the existence of this database has spread on the net, Lexis-Nexis
has been inundated with calls, and has set up a special set of
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the above 800 number. Ask for extension 3385. According to
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Ken - WA6PYJ


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Dear Sanetters and CSA folks,

Ken Robbins is one of my husband's HAM friends in Southern CA.  This is scary
stuff.  If we all respond and spread the word, maybe they will find they have
nothing to sell.  I suggest we forward an irate message to our congressional
representation.

Marcie


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Your name, social security number, current address, previous addresses,
mother's maiden name, birth date and other personal information
are now available to anyone with a credit card through a new Lexis database
called P-Trax. As I am sure you are aware, this information
could be used to commit credit card fraud or otherwise allow someone else to
use your identity.
 
You can have your name and information removed from this list by making a
telephone request. Call (800)543-6862, select option 4 and
then option 3 ("all other questions") and tell the representative answering
that you wish to remove your name from the P-trax database. You
may also send a fax to (513) 865-7360, or physical mail to LEXIS-NEXIS /
P.O. Box 933 / Dayton, Ohio 45401-0933. Sending physical
mail to confirm your name has been removed is always a good idea.
 
As word of the existence of this database has spread on the net, Lexis-Nexis
has been inundated with calls, and has set up a special set of
operators to handle the volume. In addition, Andrew Bleh (rhymes with
"Play") is a manager responsible for this product, and is the person
to whom complaints about the service could be directed. He can be reached at
the above 800 number. Ask for extension 3385. According to
Lexis, the manager responsible is Bill Fister at extension 1364.
 
===========================================================================
I called this morning an got routed to a recording that tells you to Fax or
mail the removal request. The recording then gave no other options except to
repeat the recording.

Ken - WA6PYJ


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Before people get too freaked out, this has gone 'round and 'round
at my workplace (Sun Microsystems) and below is posted the net
of all the subdued panic.

rob

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>From sabra@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM Wed Sep 18 15:31 MDT 1996
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:30:36 -0600
From: sabra@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Sabra Feldman)
To: rmtc@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
Subject: Re:  Controversy

Earlier this week, e-mail was sent to this alias regarding P-TRACK,
an information service provided by Lexis-Nexis. The following
e-mail message, from Tom Hesley, a friend of mine who works at
Lexis-Nexis, contains the official statement about P-TRACK, 
as well as instructions for removal from the database.

Sabra
----- Begin Included Message -----

Sabra, 

Here's the information you requested on P-TRACK.  There will be a new
800 number created next week to handle inquiries about P-TRACK.  Until
then, follow the instructions in the statement from LEXIS-NEXIS below.

Later,
Tom


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STATEMENT FROM LEXIS-NEXIS   9/18/96

Incorrect information is being distributed on Internet newsgroups 
regarding the data displayed in LEXIS-NEXIS' P-TRAK file.  P-TRAK is like
an electronic "white pages."  The only information displayed is the name
of the individual, current address and up to two previous addresses and 
telephone number.  In some cases, the individual's maiden name may appear
and as well as the month and year of birth.  That is the ONLY information
displayed in the P-TRAK file.

Contrary to some messages that have been posted to some Internet 
discussion and news groups, the P-TRAK file DOES NOT contain any credit 
histories, bank account information, personal financial data, mother's 
maiden name or medical histories.  This misinformation has been posted 
over and over again to various news groups.

An example of a record appears below:

Name:  DOE, JOHN E
Current Address:  1066 Anywhere Drive, Dayton, OH  95454
Previous Address:  106 Somewhere Drive, Dayton, OH  92454
Birthdate:  9/1965
Telephone Number:  555-1212
On File Since:  6/1/1994

The information displayed in the P-TRAK file is the type of information 
readily available from public information sources such as telephone 
directories (in print and CD-ROM format) and public records maintained 
by government agencies.

LEXIS-NEXIS markets the P-TRAK file to the legal community for use by 
general legal practitioners, litigators and public attorneys, as well as
law enforcement agencies and police departments.  These professionals use
the P-TRAK file to assist in locating litigants, witnesses, shareholders,
debtors, heirs and beneficiaries.

LEXIS-NEXIS is aware of the sensitivities regarding the potential misuse
of information.  Business competitors of LEXIS-NEXIS have for some time 
made Social Security numbers available to users of their services.  In 
addition, Social Security Numbers and other information are available on
the Internet from a number of sources.  Despite this wide availability of
Social Security numbers in the market place, LEXIS-NEXIS discontinued the
display of Social Security numbers in the P-TRAK file as of June 11, 
1996, eleven days after the product was introduced.

Through its actions, LEXIS-NEXIS is balancing the privacy concerns of the
public with the legitimate needs of legal, business and government 
professionals for access to accurate sources of publicly available 
information.  By discontinuing the display of Social Security numbers in
P-TRAK and only providing information that is already available to the 
public from other sources, LEXIS-NEXIS believes it has responsibly met 
the expressed concerns of the public.

Individuals interested in having their names removed from the P-TRAK file
can e-mail their full name and complete address to:  
p-trak@prod.lexis-nexis.com or mail this information to ATTN: P-TRAK, 
P. O. Box 933, Dayton, OH 45401.



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Before people get too freaked out, this has gone 'round and 'round
at my workplace (Sun Microsystems) and below is posted the net
of all the subdued panic.

rob

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>From sabra@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM Wed Sep 18 15:31 MDT 1996
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:30:36 -0600
From: sabra@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Sabra Feldman)
To: rmtc@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
Subject: Re:  Controversy

Earlier this week, e-mail was sent to this alias regarding P-TRACK,
an information service provided by Lexis-Nexis. The following
e-mail message, from Tom Hesley, a friend of mine who works at
Lexis-Nexis, contains the official statement about P-TRACK, 
as well as instructions for removal from the database.

Sabra
----- Begin Included Message -----

Sabra, 

Here's the information you requested on P-TRACK.  There will be a new
800 number created next week to handle inquiries about P-TRACK.  Until
then, follow the instructions in the statement from LEXIS-NEXIS below.

Later,
Tom


------------------------------------------------------------------------

STATEMENT FROM LEXIS-NEXIS   9/18/96

Incorrect information is being distributed on Internet newsgroups 
regarding the data displayed in LEXIS-NEXIS' P-TRAK file.  P-TRAK is like
an electronic "white pages."  The only information displayed is the name
of the individual, current address and up to two previous addresses and 
telephone number.  In some cases, the individual's maiden name may appear
and as well as the month and year of birth.  That is the ONLY information
displayed in the P-TRAK file.

Contrary to some messages that have been posted to some Internet 
discussion and news groups, the P-TRAK file DOES NOT contain any credit 
histories, bank account information, personal financial data, mother's 
maiden name or medical histories.  This misinformation has been posted 
over and over again to various news groups.

An example of a record appears below:

Name:  DOE, JOHN E
Current Address:  1066 Anywhere Drive, Dayton, OH  95454
Previous Address:  106 Somewhere Drive, Dayton, OH  92454
Birthdate:  9/1965
Telephone Number:  555-1212
On File Since:  6/1/1994

The information displayed in the P-TRAK file is the type of information 
readily available from public information sources such as telephone 
directories (in print and CD-ROM format) and public records maintained 
by government agencies.

LEXIS-NEXIS markets the P-TRAK file to the legal community for use by 
general legal practitioners, litigators and public attorneys, as well as
law enforcement agencies and police departments.  These professionals use
the P-TRAK file to assist in locating litigants, witnesses, shareholders,
debtors, heirs and beneficiaries.

LEXIS-NEXIS is aware of the sensitivities regarding the potential misuse
of information.  Business competitors of LEXIS-NEXIS have for some time 
made Social Security numbers available to users of their services.  In 
addition, Social Security Numbers and other information are available on
the Internet from a number of sources.  Despite this wide availability of
Social Security numbers in the market place, LEXIS-NEXIS discontinued the
display of Social Security numbers in the P-TRAK file as of June 11, 
1996, eleven days after the product was introduced.

Through its actions, LEXIS-NEXIS is balancing the privacy concerns of the
public with the legitimate needs of legal, business and government 
professionals for access to accurate sources of publicly available 
information.  By discontinuing the display of Social Security numbers in
P-TRAK and only providing information that is already available to the 
public from other sources, LEXIS-NEXIS believes it has responsibly met 
the expressed concerns of the public.

Individuals interested in having their names removed from the P-TRAK file
can e-mail their full name and complete address to:  
p-trak@prod.lexis-nexis.com or mail this information to ATTN: P-TRAK, 
P. O. Box 933, Dayton, OH 45401.



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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org  Wed Sep 25 00:45:53 1996
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After three years of operation, our CSA is now working on a mission 
statement.  We would greatly appreciate it if any other CSAs who have 
mission statements would e-mail them to this list.  Aside from helping us 
with our work, I'm generally interested in seeing how other CSA's word 
the myraid of goals CSA has.
 
John Barclay, Prairieland CSA, Champaign, IL, USA

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John Barclay        (217) 352-4025     jbarclay@firefly.prairienet.org
Champaign, IL, USA   http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/homepage.html

From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org  Wed Sep 25 07:26:44 1996
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Well, come on, John!

Can we see yours!?!  :-)

Thanks

-Allan


===============================================================

>After three years of operation, our CSA is now working on a mission
>statement.  We would greatly appreciate it if any other CSAs who have
>mission statements would e-mail them to this list.  Aside from helping us
>with our work, I'm generally interested in seeing how other CSA's word
>the myraid of goals CSA has.
>
>John Barclay, Prairieland CSA, Champaign, IL, USA
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>John Barclay        (217) 352-4025     jbarclay@firefly.prairienet.org
>Champaign, IL, USA   http://www.prairienet.org/~jbarclay/homepage.html


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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org  Wed Sep 25 10:38:41 1996
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In response to John Barclay's request for mission statements of CSA farms:


Spring Hill Community Farm in Prairie Farm, Wisconsin, had its first CSA
season in 1992.  I serve on the core group of the farm.  I believe that it
was in the winter of 1992-93 that we developed the mission statement.

The mission of Spring Hill Community Farm is to bring people and land
together in a practical, enduring, life-giving community.  We do this by
growing and distributing food in a way that is just and sustainable; that
helps us develop skills and knowledge of land and community stewardship; and
that connects rural and urban people to the land and each other in a way that
celebrates life and harmony with the earth.


As in past years, our January letter to members this year quoted the mission
statement, and then reviewed 1995 in terms of the mission.

Good luck!

Mark Schultz

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From: milstein@nyc.pipeline.com (Sarah Milstein)
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On Sep 24, 1996 23:41:45, 'John Barclay <jbarclay@prairienet.org>' wrote: 
 
 
>After three years of operation, our CSA is now working on a mission
statement. 
 
Similarly, after six years of operation, our CSA does not have one either,
partly out of the belief (possibly false) that a mission statement implies
some legal organization (that we do not possess).    
This Saturday, however, the farmers and a core group of core group members
are getting together to discuss a long-term vision and planning process for
the CSA.  I imagine a mission statement of some sort will come out of this
process.  We'll keep you posted. 
 
Sarah Milstein 
Roxbury Farm, NYC Core Group

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From: lily@mind.net (Sue Lily)
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>In response to John Barclay's request for mission statements of CSA farms:

The "mission statement"  should be one sentence, according to grant writer
advisors -

Ours, in Ashland, OR;
FOUR EAGLES GARDEN:

"Helping each other to live in a good way and ensure a future of healthy
land, water and food."


PS. THIS IS THE WEEK TO WRITE, CALL, FAX AND EMAIL THE WHITEHOUSE TO STOP
THE FUNDING FOR THE DEVASTATING SALVAGE RIDER THAT HAS BEEN CAUSING TREES
TO FALL...

SIGN ON AND MAKE YOUR CALL, PLEASE - today and Friday

Call the President: 202-456-1111
Call Leon Panetta: 202-456-6797
email this sign on letter to:
president@whitehouse.gov


The Hon. William Jefferson Clinton
President of the United States
The White House
Washington DC

Dear President Clinton:

In these final days of the 104th Congress, there is one more
opportunity to end the damage that is being done to our nation's
environment by the Rescissions Act Logging Rider and the Mt. Graham
Rider.

We are thankful that you have asked the Congress to repeal both of
these odious Riders. We believe you have the power, in negotiations
with Congressional leaders, to insist that this be done.

Jessica Mathews recently observed that citizens should know "whether
elected officials' professed concern for the environment is matched by
action when it counts."

This is a case where it counts.  Ancient Forests, pristine  waters,
endangered fish and wildlife, Native American sacred sites, and the
rights of citizens in our nation to hold their own government
accountable are all at stake.

You have the means to insure that no legislation funding the Forest
Service after October 1 is signed that does not repeal these two
Riders, and restore the laws that are designed to achieve balance in
our environmental policies and fulfill our obligation to be good
stewards of this Earth.

We are counting on you.

Sincerely,



Ms. Lily
lily@mind.net
Ashland OR


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From: wgfarm@efn.org (Mary Jo Wade)
To: CSA-L@prairienet.org
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Thanks to those of you who are sending out mission statements.  This
weekend we are having a meeting of our core group.  The discussion is to
start on the topic of core shared values of our Community Farm.  This could
lead to a mission statement for the CSA. Your input is very timely and
helpful.

The mission statement for our farm (Winter Green Farm, Noti, Oregon) is:

A profitable farm in balance with the earth, humanity and ourselves.

Having this mission for the past maybe 8 years has been very helpful to us.
It does not come up on a daily basis but we have been able to take it on
in pieces over time.

The Community Farm is about 10% of our whole operation. ( We have about 105
members this year.)  The CSA part of the farm probably needs a separate
mission.

Keep those samples of mission statements coming.  Thanks
Mary Jo


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GM's mission statement is 
	"We bend metal for profit"

short, to the point.  I think the process of building a mission statement
is a good one for people to go through, even though personally, I hate that
kind of thing.  
Sally Anne, an Urban Farmer
Seattle, WA

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Sue Lily wrote:

> >In response to John Barclay's request for mission statements of CSA farms:
> 
> The "mission statement"  should be one sentence, according to grant writer
> advisors -
> 
> Ours, in Ashland, OR;
> FOUR EAGLES GARDEN:
> 
> "Helping each other to live in a good way and ensure a future of healthy
> land, water and food."
> 
> 
> PS. THIS IS THE WEEK TO WRITE, CALL, FAX AND EMAIL THE WHITEHOUSE TO STOP
> THE FUNDING FOR THE DEVASTATING SALVAGE RIDER THAT HAS BEEN CAUSING TREES
> TO FALL...
> 
> SIGN ON AND MAKE YOUR CALL, PLEASE - today and Friday
> 
> Call the President: 202-456-1111
> Call Leon Panetta: 202-456-6797
> email this sign on letter to:
> president@whitehouse.gov
> 
> 
> The Hon. William Jefferson Clinton
> President of the United States
> The White House
> Washington DC
> 
> Dear President Clinton:
> 
> In these final days of the 104th Congress, there is one more
> opportunity to end the damage that is being done to our nation's
> environment by the Rescissions Act Logging Rider and the Mt. Graham
> Rider.
> 
> We are thankful that you have asked the Congress to repeal both of
> these odious Riders. We believe you have the power, in negotiations
> with Congressional leaders, to insist that this be done.
> 
> Jessica Mathews recently observed that citizens should know "whether
> elected officials' professed concern for the environment is matched by
> action when it counts."
> 
> This is a case where it counts.  Ancient Forests, pristine  waters,
> endangered fish and wildlife, Native American sacred sites, and the
> rights of citizens in our nation to hold their own government
> accountable are all at stake.
> 
> You have the means to insure that no legislation funding the Forest
> Service after October 1 is signed that does not repeal these two
> Riders, and restore the laws that are designed to achieve balance in
> our environmental policies and fulfill our obligation to be good
> stewards of this Earth.
> 
> We are counting on you.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> 
> Ms. Lily
> lily@mind.net
> Ashland OR
> 
> 
> 

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I misplaced my information regarding the Madison Area CSA cookbook that was
produced last spring, titled something like "Asparagus to Zucchini".  Does
anyone have the ordering information.  I've seen it and it's GREAT.

Thanks,

Sue Hulsether, Minneapolis
suehul@aol.com

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>I misplaced my information regarding the Madison Area CSA cookbook that was
>produced last spring, titled something like "Asparagus to Zucchini".  Does
>anyone have the ordering information.  I've seen it and it's GREAT.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sue Hulsether, Minneapolis
>suehul@aol.com

I would like some info on this cookbook as well.

Doug-the-wannabe-farmer.




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The author of the book can be reached at:

MACSAC FOOD BOOK
c/o Lauri McKean
1228 Rutledge St., Madison, WI, 57013
(608) 251-8049

It can be ordered through:

Michael Fields Agricultural Institute
3287 Main St.
East Troy, Wisconsin  53120
(414) 6742-3303

Send a check for $17.50 made out to MFAI and add 5.5% if you are a 
Wisconsin Resident.

Its a great book and I'd elaborate more if I wasn't getting ready for a 
vacation ;).

John Barclay, Prairieland CSA, Champaign, IL

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I wondered if there are any folks in cental Ohio who are doing the CSA thing.

My parents live in Wooster, OH  and have expressed some intrest in support.

They are still recovering from the fiftys and supermarkets, but they are
trying.

Thanks for the news,

Doug-the-wannabe-farmer


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I am curious, why all this interest in a cookbook, when there are already
thousands on the market? Please tell me why all the clamor for this one?

My disappointment with cookbooks is that they are just that--how to COOK
foods, when what we so very badly need is one on NOT cooking, but RAW foods.
DEAD food does not do much for health.

It is the RAW food that is valuable, because ONLY raw food has enzymes.
Enzymes are what makes reactions go. Eating mostly dead food all one's life
is often responsible for not only the almost universal overweight state, but
also for ill health.

The body cannot keep up the way it should, when there are no enzymes to do
the digestion, the upbuilding.

I know there are some raw food "cookbooks" on the market, but not much good,
mostly repetitive with just switching around of items, but I know there are
very good tasting foods that are raw, because I have had some from the person
who knows how to do it, but I have never been able to pin that one down to
write. He says he just does it by tasting as he goes.

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Hi folks,

Here is the mission statement for our farm, located outside Auburn, CA., and
the CSA.

Full Circle Organic Farm exists to grow a diverse selection of produce
organically and in harmony with the whole farm ecosystem while providing
economic support for the farming partners; to make that produce available to
a cross-section of consumers through our CSA program and Farmers' Markets;
and, to support the family farming community through sharing information,
resources, and educational programs.

Full Circle Organic Farm's Community Supported Agriculture program exists to
attract shareholders from a broad socio-economic cross-section of local
consumers who will provide economic, social and moral support to the farming
partners; to provide those shareholders a diverse selection of organically
grown produce from our farm in enough quantity to meet their weekly
requirement of 5-6 servings per day of fresh fruits and vegetables; and to
provide educational opportunities for shareholders and other consumers to
learn about regional, seasonal eating and food production and the place of
sustainable farming in the local community.

Yes, we're verbose.  If words were food, the reason for our Rubenesque
appearance would be obvious.

Happy Harvest,

Marcie

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I am trying to track down a book I saw mentioned in the USDA Small Scale
agriculture newsletter this year. It is a handbook that comes in a 3-ring
binder for about $30 and it is about planning and implementing a CSA. It is
put out by the University of California. Can anyone provide me with a title
and ordering information? Alternatively, can someone point me to another
good guide. We are planning on starting on a VERY SMALL scale next year and
need to get some planning done. Thanks for any help!

Sherrie St. Cyr
Heartwisdom Farm
Pure Indulgence Bath Treats

If you can't be a good example, you will just have to be a terrible warning.
        Author Unknown


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Dear Sherrie,

The book is called Community Supported Agriculture ... Making the Connection.
 I was priveleged to work on the book with senior writer, the wonderful, Bill
Blake.  

The book is designed to be used in the planning process and as a continuing
source of practical information for CSA farmers.

You may order it by writing or calling 
UC Cooperative Extension, Placer County
11477 E Avenue
Auburn, CA 95603
(916) 889-7397
I believe the cost is around $20.

Marcie
Full Circle Organic Farm

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From: "Deborah J. Kane" <DKANE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
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Subject: Retention question
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Greetings to all.  Every now and then I've seen some postings regarding
shareholder retention.  In a few weeks I'll be speaking on this
subject at the Carolina Farm Stewardship Association's annual
meeting in South Carolina.  I've been wroking with seven CSA
farms in the Southeast and know that shareholder retention is an
issue for them.I'd like to be able to present figures from other geographic
areas at the meeting.  Could any of you share your experiences
with regard to turnover?  Farm histories would help a great deal.
For example, how many shareholders (what percentage) did you lose
between years 1 and 2, between years 2 and 3, years 3 and 4? etc.
Any comments or hypothesized reasons for high or low turnover
rates would also be greatly appreciated.I'm still collecting data with the seven farms I'm working with
and we are in the process of tallying up results from surveys
sent to about 200 shareholders.  Final results should be
available in the winter, and I'd be happy to share them with any
interested parties.Thanks so much for your input to the retention question.     I'd really like to see if this is a southern phenomena or a more univeral
issue.

Thanks again.




Deborah Kane
Institute of Ecology
University of Georgia
Athens, GA  30619
(706) 542-2968
FAX:  (706) 542-6040

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>I am trying to track down a book I saw mentioned in the USDA Small Scale
>agriculture newsletter this year. It is a handbook that comes in a 3-ring
>binder for about $30 and it is about planning and implementing a CSA. It is
>put out by the University of California. Can anyone provide me with a title
>and ordering information? Alternatively, can someone point me to another
>good guide. We are planning on starting on a VERY SMALL scale next year and
>need to get some planning done. Thanks for any help!
>
>Sherrie St. Cyr
>Heartwisdom Farm
>Pure Indulgence Bath Treats
>
>If you can't be a good example, you will just have to be a terrible warning.
>        Author Unknown


There is also a Book from the Biodynamic Farms or something like that
called*Community supported Farms and Farm supported Communities*  Some one
out there must have thier address and ordering information for all of thier
books, let's see if some one will help us out with thier names.

Doug-the-wannabe-farmer

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From owner-csa-l@prairienet.org  Sat Nov  2 07:58:31 1996
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> There is also a Book from the Biodynamic Farms or something like that called*Community supported Farms and Farm supported Communities*  Some one out there must have thier address and ordering information for all of thier books...


The book is entitled "Farms of Tomorrow: Community Supported Farms, 
Farm Supported Communities" by Trauger Groh and Steven McFadden.  You 
can get more info from the BioDynamic Association  1-800-516-7797.   
Good Luck, S.

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I recently had the pleasure of attending this year's
Tilth Producers' conference in central Washington state.
One of the best parts of the conference was a CSA
roundtable, which about fifty people attended.  Witnessing
the good spirits and ideas of the participants, I
wondered what other CSA gatherings take place nationally.
I also wondered where they're likely to be advertised,
beside, for example, Alternative Agriculture News.
Could any of you shed light on these questions?

Thanks,

Michael
yount@csf.colorado.edu

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Hello Friendly People,

Recently Michael wrote about a meeting he attended, and mentioned the
*Alternative Agriculture News*,  I was wondering if someone could get me
the address of this publication.  I think I would like to subscribe.

Thanks in advance.

Doug-the-wannabe-farmer

dbutdorf@ncgate.newcollege.edu



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Dear Doug,

Alternative Agriculture News is a publication of the Henry Wallace Institute
and is available both electronically and in hard copy.  If you subscribe to
Sanet (Sustainable Agriculture Network maillist), Andy Clark posts it every
month.  The Wallace Institute also publishes the American Journal of
Alternative Agriculture. Here are the assorted ways to find these excellent
publications.

Alternative Agriculture News  November, 1996
Henry A. Wallace Institute for Alternative Agriculture
9200 Edmonston Road, #117
Greenbelt, MD 20770
(301) 441-8777
E-mail: hawiaa@access.digex.net

If You Are Interested in Sustainable Agriculture...
   In addition to this monthly newsletter, the Henry A. Wallace
Institute for Alternative Agriculture publishes the American
Journal of Alternative Agriculture, a quarterly, peer-reviewed
journal of research on alternative agriculture.  It is a
scientific forum for disseminating technical, economic, and
social research findings about the character and requirements of alternative
agriculture systems.  
     Articles in the current issue (Volume 11, No. 1) cover low-
input, on-farm composting; a case study on evaluating the
sustainability of alternative farming systems; soil and water
conservation and improved crop management effects on watershed productivity
in India; a review of the literature on economic methods for comparing
alternative crop production systems; expansion of the organic food market in
Denmark; a South Dakota case study comparing organic and sustainable fed
cattle production; and effects of free-range chickens and geese on insect
pests and weeds in an agroecosystem.  

Subscriptions to AJAA are $24 a year for individuals; $12 for students; and
$44 for libraries.  Contact the Wallace Institute, 9200 Edmonston Road, #117,
Greenbelt, MD 20770; (301) 441-8777; e-mail hawiaa@access.digex.net

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>New Resource
>
>	The Madison Area Community Supported Agriculture Coalition (MACSAC)
>announces our new cookbook, //From Asparagus to Zucchini:  A Guide to
>Farm-Fresh Seasonal Produce//.  The cookbook, written by members of MACSAC,
>contains 200 pages of recipes, essays, and local and regional resources.  The
>recipe portion features 46 different vegetable and herb sections and
>includes nutritional, historical, and storage information as well as cooking
>tips and over 370 recipes.  Restaurants from Madison, Wisconsin contributed
>recipes as did MACSAC members.  Choice recipes were also selected from
>quality food journals and cookbooks.  The essays focus on how our food
>choices fit into our economy, environment, communities and quality of life.
>The food pages of the cookbook are illustrated by a local artist. We are
>finding that many different groups of people are interested in the cookbook
>in addition to CSA members, including: food and Farmers' Market enthusiasts,
>gardeners, and people interested in local economies.
>
>	From Asparagus to Zucchini is available for mail-order through the
>Michael
>Fields Agricultural Institute, W2493 County Road ES, East Troy, WI 53210,
>(414) 642-3303.  Please send a check made payable to MFAI for $18.50 to
>cover the cost of the book plus shipping and handling.  Wisconsin residents
>please include an additional 5.5% tax.  For wholesale orders of 10 or more
>books, at the cost of $12.00 plus shipping an handling, please contact Lauri
>McKean at (608) 251-8049.  We also encourage other CSA groups to consider
>purchasing an electronic copy of the book, enabling you to add your own
>information and regional resources and print copies locally.  Please contact
>Lauri at the above phone number if you are interested in this option.
>Income from the book will be used for MACSAC activities, including education
>and outreach on agricultural and community issues.  MACSAC is a
>not-for-profit organization that works to build a coalition of support for
>CSA farms, to promote cooperation and information sharing among CSA farms,
>to help new or struggling CSA farms, and to ensure the availability of CSA
>produce to people of all incomes.
>


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Dear Karen,

Thanks for your Sanet post.  

I'm an organic grower with a CSA share membership.  The biggest complaint I
get is that I provide my share holders with too much food!  We designed our
planting schemes to provide our shareholders with 5 days worth of the USDA
recommended 5-6 servings per day of fruits and vegetables.  

Folks simply aren't eating as much as they should of what they should.  One
of the problems is they are "too busy"  Another is that folks simply don't
know how to cook anymore.  I've been running a series in our newsletter on
how to cook.  Basics like cutting up veggies, definitions of cooking terms,
and what cooking methods can be applied to what produce.  Like any other
skill, cooking takes practice.  I'm considering teaching cooking classes next
season.

If you have any suggestions on how to help folks over come their "kitchen
impairments," their "too much effort for just me," or their "I don't have
time," please let us know.

Marcie
Full Circle Organic Farm

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Dear BRateaver (sorry, don't have your name here),

In response to your message about the MACSAC Food Book:

>The trouble is, there are already so many people who think almost entirely in
>terms of destroying the most valuable part--the enzymes---by cooking.
>
>Doesn't anyone have a superduper book on how to eat foods RAW to get the
>enzymes?

>I know of one, by a woman who is already whitehaired but eats everything, yes
>everything, 100 % raw. It is called the Uncook book. by Elizabeth Baker. That
>is what you should maybe be promoting.

Don't know of any really great raw food books, but I'd be willing to bet
they're out there somewhere.  We tried to include as many raw food recipes
as possible.  This was a participatory project - we asked CSA farmers and
members to send in their favorite ways of using vegetables and this book
reflects what we gathered.  This isn't your normal sort of cookbook as it
includes information on CSA, on each of our CSA farms, on our farm
coalition, facts on each particular vegetable, information on eating
seasonally, and information on preserving the nutritional qualities of
vegetables, etc.  We're pretty excited about it. However, I'm sure that
there will always be room for improvement on the next go round.

Personally, I find the best way to get a dose of raw vegetables is to spend
a harvest day working on a CSA farm.  The winter gets a lot more
challenging - do you have any secrets for getting down a quantity of raw
rutabega?

Marcy




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On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 MARCIEROSE@aol.com wrote:

> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:53:15 -0500
> From: MARCIEROSE@aol.com
> To: karin@agate.net
> Cc: csa-l@prairienet.org
> Subject: Re: Gussow on Nutrition/Food Systems
> 
> Dear Karen,
> 
> Thanks for your Sanet post.  
> 
> (snipped)  One
> of the problems is they are "too busy" ...(snip)
> 
> If you have any suggestions on how to help folks over come their "kitchen
> impairments," their "too much effort for just me," or their "I don't have
> time," please let us know.
> 
> Marcie
> Full Circle Organic Farm
> 

When I hear people say, "I'm too busy, no time..." etc., etc., I take 
them to mean that they 1) don't yet realize that they need to plan ahead 
and organize the cooking chores (among a few people, if necessary) and 2) 
they aren't yet invested enough in thinking "organics" to make the 
commitment to plan ahead and organize their cooking. To belong to a CSA 
is a statement, but if they don't actually support the longevity of the 
CSA, it's kind of lip service.

Along with teaching HOW to cut up veggies and teaching recipes, I would
develop a focus on STRATEGY: Take the 5-10 minutes to wash, cut prepare,
etc. the evening before. Get help from other household members that are
eating the food.  Try to create the situation where all the prep is done
before the hour the meal is expected to be eaten. THAT takes energy and
effort. One reason agribusinesses are able to wipe out small farmers who
defy the synthetic pesticide/fertilizer pressures successfully laid on
by the chemical industry is because they know that mass marketing has 
propagandized consumers to think they want FAST, EASY, COSMETIC food. The 
economic pressures on larger numbers of people mean less time at home and 
more time working.  STRATEGY in the kitchen is essential to overcome the 
efforts of agribusiness to PESTICIDE THE WORLD! Join the resistance or 
shop at non organic sources, eat processed foods, cook minute rice, buy 
spam...you know what I mean. ;)
DGH

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I'm updating the Community Supported Agriculture Networking E-mail List 
(CSA-L) world wide web page this week.  If anyone has anything they 
want added or changed please let me know.  The address is:

http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/csa-l.html

Thanks,  John Barclay

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Our season card this year says: 
"Christmas is just plain weird"

"When else do you sit in fron to a dead tree in your living room eating candy
from your socks?"

Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas, Bright Solstice, Peaceful Kwansa and
generally warm feelings to you all.

Marcie
Full Circle Organic Farm

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1997 National Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) Conference

"Sounding the Call: Urgent Questions of Apprenticeship, Training and Education"

January 17, 18 & 19, 1997 - Kimberton, Pennsylvania

Hosted by 	The Bio-Dynamic Farming and Gardening Association, Inc.
			POB 550
			Kimberton, PA 19442
			1-800-516-7797

==============================================================================
SECTIONS in this DOCUMENT

* TOPIC STATEMENT 1997 National CSA Conference
* SPEAKERS
* SCHEDULE
* WORKSHOP TITLES
* REGISTRATION
* ACCOMMODATION/LODGING
* MEALS
* CONFERENCE FEES
* FOR MORE INFORMATION

===============================================================================

* TOPIC STATEMENT 1997 National CSA Conference

Apprenticeship and training are THE questions for the future. They have
concerned growers since the 1940's. Who will grow the crops and renew the
soil? Who will protect the environment? Nourish the human spirit? They are
too big to tackle alone. Community Supported Agriculture is about a
community tackling big questions together. And, that is the purpose of this
conference. to share with growers and consumers some answers which others
have found in their searching. We will teach one another by asking our
urgent questions.

* SPEAKERS

Addressing the Question:
	Greg Schultz: NEWFARMS, NM
	Jean-Paul Coartens: Roxbury CSA, NY
	Gunther Hack: Three Fold Educational Foundation, NY
	Greg Davis: Camphill Soltane, PA
	Gary Lamb: Threefold Review, NY
	Sara Millstein Roxbury CSA, NY Walter
	Goldstein: Michael Fields Agricultural Institute, WI
	Lifeways

* SCHEDULE

"Urgent Questions of Apprenticeship, Training and Education"

Friday, January 17
==================
5 P.M. Kimberton High School Gym
	Registration
6:30 - 7:30 P.M. Gym
	Dinner
8:00 P.M. High School Library
	Welcome: Charles Beedy
	Keynote Address: Greg Schultz (NEWFARMS)
	"Reaching the Journeyman Stage: Establishing Professionalism in
Education"

Saturday, January 18
====================
7:30 A.M. Gym
	Breakfast
8:30 A.M. High School Library
	Announcements
	Introduction to the Day
8:45 A.M. - 10:15 A.M. High School Library
	Overview Presentations of Educational Programs
10:15 - 10:45 A.M. Morning Break
11:00 A.M. - 12:30 P.M.
	Workshop Session I regarding The Educational Programs presented in
the overview
12:30 P.M. Lunch
2:00 P.M. - 3:15 P.M. High School Library
	Overview Presentations of Educational Programs
4:15 P.M. - 5:45 P.M.
	Workshop Session II regarding The Educational Programs presented in
the overview
6:00 P.M. Gym
	Supper Break
7:30 P.M. Social Evening
International and American Folk and Square Dancing with Dr Richard Fried

Sunday, January 19
==================
7:30 A.M. Gym
	Breakfast
8:30 A.M. High School Library
	Announcements
8:45 A.M. - 10:00 A.M.
	Talk: Hartmut von Jeetze, Camphill Village, Kimberton
10:15 - 10:45 A.M. Morning Break
10:45 A.M. Group Work
	"Creating the Agenda for the Future - All Participants
12:00 Noon Lunch
END of CONFERENCE

(Agenda subject to change without notice)

*WORKSHOP TITLES

(Complete schedule will be at registration. Sign up then.)

	Consumer Education: Seeking to Build a core-group to carry this
important task

	Farm-based Apprentice Education: How to do it

	Formal Training Programs

	Basic Educational Materials and Resources

	Communication tools: CSA Newsletter

	Family Festivals, and Farm-based community learning Programs

	And Others!


DIRECTIONS

How to Get Here:
The Kimberton Waldorf School is just outside Kimberton, PA, near Valley
Forge and Phoenixville PA. It is close to the junction of: Pennsylvania
State Routes: 23, 724,113 and 29.

>From U.5. 76 (Pennsylvania Turnpike)
Exit at Valley Forge. Look for signs to Rt. 23 towards Phoenixville. Stay
on Rt. 23 into Phoenixville. Go left on Rt. 113 toward Lionville/Exton.
After about 2.5 miles (at Shelly's Lumber yard), the Rt. 113 veers left.
Take Kimberton Road which branches off to the right. After about 200 yards,
turn right onto West Seven Stars Rd. until you go through a covered bridge.
The entrance to the Kimberton Waldorf School is roughly 1/2 mile on your
right. Park near the gymnasium building at the center of the campus.

* REGISTRATION

Return registration form and payment in full to: The Bio-Dynamic
Association, POB 550, Kimberton, PA 19442 1-800-516-7797 (Fax: (610)
983-3196

Conference Address:
	Kimberton Waldorf School
	West Seven Stars Road
	Kimberton, PA 19442

* ACCOMMODATION/LODGING

Private Accommodation on a limited basis may be available at $15.00 per
night. Sleeping-bag space at the Kimberton Waldorf School gymnasium for $3
per person per night. Camping/tenting space is also available on site for
$3 per person per night.

Local Motel: French Creek Inn 1-800-870-5040 Single: $50 + tax


* MEALS

Conference fee includes organic meals including Friday dinner, Saturday
breakfast, lunch and dinner; Sunday breakfast and lunch.


* CONFERENCE FEES

Conference Fee: $100.00
(Fee Includes all lectures, workshops, meals and entertainment as described)

Conference Fee for Student/Apprentice: $65

(Those who can pay the full conference fee are actually making it possible
for apprentices or students to attend at a reduced rate.)

* MORE INFORMATION

Questions: (610) 935-7797 or (800) 516-7797


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To: csa-l@prairienet.org
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It is with great sadness that I post this message to the CSA list serve
community.

Robyn Van En, co-founder and director of CSA of North America,
died early this morning in Massachusetts of an asthma attack.
Robyn was a tireless advocate for Community Supported Agriculture
and for sane, healthy, supportive and sustainable communities.  I
know she was an inspiration to many of you, a visionary thinker,
enthusiastic mentor and loving friend.

Robyn was one of the world's vital and beautiful souls. She will
certainly be missed.  Luckily for all of us, Robyn has over the
years established a tremendous body of work and brought many
people into a movement that will continue to grow.  Even as we
mourn her passing, we can carry on her work and dedication to
creating systemic change and building life-affirming alternatives
in our local and global communities.

Some kind of event will be held in the near future to remember
Robyn and honor her life.  I will post an announcement when
details are available.

I would be happy to gather messages for her family, especially her
son David, if folks would like to send them.

We in New York City will also be planning some sort of event in
Robyn's memory, to be held later in the year, and will welcome the
participation of all who knew Robyn or were touched by her life.


Kathy Lawrence, Executive Director Just Food, NYC Sustainable Food
System Alliance 290 Riverside Drive #15D New York, NY 10025-5287

Tel/Fax: 212 666 2168 Email: klawrence@igc.org

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January 8, 1997
 
It is with great sadness that I post this message to the
SANET community.  
 
Robyn Van En, founder and director of CSA of North America,
died early this morning in Massachusetts of an asthma attack. 
 
Robyn was a tireless advocate for Community Supported
Agriculture and for sane, healthy, supportive and sustainable
communities.  I know she was an inspiration to many of you, a
visionary thinker, enthusiastic mentor and loving friend.  
 
Robyn was one of the world's vital and beautiful souls. She
will certainly be missed.  Luckily for all of us, Robyn has
over the years established a tremendous body of work and
brought many people into a movement that will continue to
grow.  Even as we mourn her passing, we can carry on her work
and dedication to creating systemic change and building life-affirming
alternatives in our local and global communities.
 
Some kind of event will be held in the near future to
remember Robyn and honor her life.  I will post an
announcement when details are available.
 
I would be happy to gather messages for her family,
especially her son David, if folks would like to send them.
 
We in New York City will also be planning some sort of event
in Robyn's memory, to be held later in the year, and will
welcome the participation of all who knew Robyn or were
touched by her work.
 
 
 
 
Kathy Lawrence
Executive Director
Just Food, NYC Sustainable Food System Alliance
290 Riverside Drive #15D
New York, NY 10025-5287
 
Tel/Fax: 212 666 2168
Email: klawrence@igc.org

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IN my previous message about Robyn Van En, I mistakenly said that
Robyn was the co-founder of CSA of North American.

Robyn was *the* founder.

If you wish to re-post or re-send this message, please use the following 
corrected version.

Thank you.

Kathy Lawrence

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January 9, 1997
11:00 a.m.

Update on Robyn Van En

On behalf of Robyn's very dear friend Cathy Roth and myself,
I'd like to thank everyone who has emailed or called in
response to earlier postings.  Your support has been
terrific. 

Robyn's family are on their way now to Massachusetts from
California, and have been working in the meantime to make
arrangements long distance.

There will be a service with Robyn's ashes in Great
Barrington, Mass. on either Saturday or Sunday.  

PLEASE DO NOT CALL FOR DETAILS.  

INSTEAD, CHECK THE LISTSERVE TOMORROW (FRIDAY, JAN. 10) FOR
INFORMATION.

I will continue to collect email and fax messages to take up
to Robyn's family this weekend.

******************************************
Kathy Lawrence
Just Food, NYC Sustainable Food System Alliance
290 Riverside Drive #15D
New York, NY  10025-5287

Tel/Fax: 212 666 2168
Email: klawrence@igc.org
******************************************


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Bill seems to have gotten no response on SANET.  Hoping one of you can help.
 I'd like the answer, too.

Marcie
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Forwarded message:
From:	whblake@ix.netcom.com (Bill Blake)
To:	sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Date: 97-01-07 10:29:44 EST

Hi y'all -

I'm trying to understand my soil report and how I can amend my soil. My
question to y'all is about converting parts per million to pounds per acre.
Parnes in _Fertile Soil_ says to multiply ppm by 2 to find lbs/acre, for
*soils of average density*. Amigo Cantisano from Peaceful Valley seems to
be multiplying by 4 when calculating calcium requirements.

So, what is soil density? How is it measured? Does it make a difference?

Thanks, and Happy Epiphany!

- Bill




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Hi all,

Pam posted this on Sanet.  I thought this might be a better place to ask.

Marcie
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From:	csas001@unlvm.unl.edu (Pam Murray)
To:	sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Date: 97-01-14 15:59:21 EST

I have in my CSA file an e-mail from April 1994 talking about a magazine
devoted to CSA titled The Harvest Times (publishing editor, Melody
Newcombe). Is this still in existence, and if so, would anyone care to
comment on its usefulness? 
I just have address, not phone or e-mail):
The Harvest Times
PO Box 27
Mt. Tremper, NY 12457
***********************
Pam Murray, Coordinator
Center for Grassland Studies and
Center for Sustainable Agricultural Systems
PO Box 830949
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68583-0949
phone: 402-472-9383
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From: mpeabody@zoo.uvm.edu (Mary)
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Hello everyone--

I'm gathering information for a new CSA hoping to startup this season. The
farmer has a desire to offer winter shares (mixture of stored root crops and
greenhouse greens). Does anyone from a climate similar to Vermont have any
information on whether this is currently being done, whether it is
successful, what kinds of costs are members willing to pay, etc? Any and all
info is welcome.

Thanks.  Mary
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Mary L. Peabody                           
Women's Agricultural Network                      
590 Main, UVM                                        
Burlington, VT  05405-0059                              
                                                       
Telephone: (802)656-3276                              
Fax:       (802)656-8874                              
email:     mpeabody@zoo.uvm.edu                      
                                                                            
                    
                                                 

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At 12:00 PM 1/16/97 -0600, Mary wrote:
>I'm gathering information for a new CSA...winter shares... Any and all
>info is welcome.

Dear Mary,

The Dixon Partnership Farm offered winter shares for the first time (this
was our eighth year of operation) in its 1996 season.  If the CSA for which
you are seeking information has an interest in such a limited experential
base, we would be glad to share it (ration of summer shares to winter
shares, costs, quantities, etc.).

I'm not filling up an e-message with all the info because you (as its agent)
might wish to consult with the CSA (your principal) as to the worth/utility
of information from Western Montana limited to a single season.

Best Wishes,            John

John Fletcher
PO Box 8381
Missoula, MT  59807
(406) 721-4269

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I'm discussing an internet strategy for a local CSA.
The farm distributes food orders weekly during the 
growing season and of course the list of available items 
changes every week.  

I'm curious if there are any other CSAs which have
experience with on-line shopping software or email 
product list distribution.

Thanks for any input,
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Thanks for reading this message! :-)

For a forth coming issue of BIODYNAMICS (the magazine of the Biodynamic
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As you are probably aware, if you are involved in a CSA using sutainable
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Our CSA in Ames, IA is going to be looking at these issues too over this 
year. I have a couple thoughts:
1) Call Dan Nagengast of the Rolling Prairie Farmers Alliance 
(800-307-8949) in Lawrence KS--they're not a CSA, but they've been 
functioning as a producer coop for 4+ years, and might be formalizing 
that arrangement.
2) I could send you (if I can find it, I should be able to) a copy of a 
paper that Amanda from the Wisc. Center for Coops sent me about why coops 
should be uniting producers/workers and consumers, not either/or as they 
all are now. I think it makes a lot of sense, and CSA would be a logical 
place to pioneer it.

I'd like to keep in touch with you--this year, our multiple producer CSA 
is functionally dividing into an educational/member focused group and a 
producer group, with coordinators of each meeting regularly. We may 
continue that way, and form a producer coop, or decide to go back and 
make it one organization again, with cooperative projects with nonprofits 
(churches, human service agencies, educational institutions...)
we're beginning to work with this year. Its going to be very interesting, 
and I'm glad others are hoping to break new ground too! Please send me 
your paper address and I'll send you that article.

We're also talking about paying for labor from the CSA so our largest 
producer doesn't have the paperwork headache--does anyone do that? 
Hopefully it will be through an apprentice arrangement through our 
increasing connections with Iowa State Univ. --I have no idea what this 
will do tax-wise... You might also write Neil Hamilton at the Drake 
Agricultural Law Center, he's beginning to work on a legal handbook for 
farm marketing (27th & Carpenter, DSM, IA 50311)--this is probably 
outside what he's conceived of, but maybe not.
Thanks, and good luck! Jeff

> I am an attorney and a member of Vanguarden CSA in Dover, MA.  As part of a
> larger project to find and acquire land, I am looking at organizational
> issues for the CSA.  Currently, the CSA is operated as an informal
> partnership between 3 farmers.  In thinking about incorporation or creating
> an agricultural cooperative, I was curious whether any other CSAs ought there
> have wrestled with these issues and, if so, what was the result?  I am
> particularly interested to learn whether any CSAs are operating as non-profit
> corporations or coops.  Even if you haven't dealt with this as part of your
> CSA but have some ideas, strategies or contacts, I'd appreciate hearing from
> you.  Thanks!   Michael Bainum

---
Jeff Hall	
jrhall@iastate.edu
 
"To create community we need to love each other, trust each other and help
each other; that is hard."
--Wendell Berry

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I am an attorney and a member of Vanguarden CSA in Dover, MA.  As part of a
larger project to find and acquire land, I am looking at organizational
issues for the CSA.  Currently, the CSA is operated as an informal
partnership between 3 farmers.  In thinking about incorporation or creating
an agricultural cooperative, I was curious whether any other CSAs ought there
have wrestled with these issues and, if so, what was the result?  I am
particularly interested to learn whether any CSAs are operating as non-profit
corporations or coops.  Even if you haven't dealt with this as part of your
CSA but have some ideas, strategies or contacts, I'd appreciate hearing from
you.  Thanks!   Michael Bainum

