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From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 01:29:29 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22090; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22007; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id XAA00088 for sanet-real; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id XAA00085 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21202 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA14895 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:37:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: ORGANIC FARMING IS GREEN PEACE WITH NATURE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 GP Press release 24.09.97 >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) >From: Purefood@aol.com >Sender: owner-biotech-wg@igc.apc.org >Subject: Fwd: GP Press release 24.09.97 >To: biotech-wg@igc.apc.org >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: Barbara.Kuepper@greenpeace.de >To: gentech@tribe.ping.de >Date: 97-09-26 02:16:50 EDT >ORGANIC FARMING IS GREEN PEACE WITH NATURE >Greenpeace head congratulates IFOAM, calls for co-operation against >chemical and biological pollution >OXFORD 24th September. 1997 -- Presenting Greenpeace's cordial >congratulations on the 25th anniversary of the International >Federation of Organic Agriculture Movemements (IFOAM) Dr. Thilo Bode, >executive Director of Greenpeace International, called organic farming >one of the world's most sophisticated and serious visions of >sustainability. >"Everybody talks about the fact that food production has to >dramatically reduce energy consumption, toxic output and destructive >methods that ruin soil and water resources and threaten the worlds >biodiversity," Bode told representatives of the Organic Movement at >their Conference in Oxford today, "But you just do it. And that is the >style we like!" >By practically proving that green peace with nature was actually >possible, the organic movement was the most important beachhead to >sustainable agriculture of the 21st century. Referring to a joint >petition on a class of genetically modified plants (containing genes >of Bacillus Thuringiensis), which Greenpeace and IFOAM filed against >the US Environmental Protection Agency last week, Bode warned the >delegates: "Genetic engineering will not solve the massive problems >the chemical industry has created, but rather add a new, fundamental >environmental threat: from chemical to biological pollution." >Bode urged IFOAM to firmly stick to its present standards, which >generally prohibit the use of genetically modified organisms. Bode >congratulated IFOAM on the exponential growth of organic farming over >the past few years not only in industrialised countries but also in >the South, as well as their expansion to new sectors such as textiles, >wood and fisheries. >"Your success will not be left unchallenged, because every hectare >that is converted to organic methods is a loss to the new powerful >agro-chemical transnational companies, who now call themselves Life >Science Industry," Bode warned, and suggested that co-operation >between environmental groups and the organic community had to >intensify and expand in the future. >As the most important restriction to further growth of the organic >sector and important field of co-operation Bode identified the present >global terms of trade and a price system that did not properly reflect >the costs of environmental destruction: "We need realistic prices for >energy and global warming contribution, for toxic pollution and for >the devaluating destruction of soil, water-resources and >biodiversity." >While the industrial vision on future agriculture continued, causing >destructive overproduction at the expense of the environment but also >at the expense of rural employment and livelihoods, organic farming >offered hope for social sustainability: "Organic farming is probably >one of the most promising global job creators", he said. >In a world where still 800 millions are hungry while more food is >produced and wasted than they can eat, the measure of efficiency is >not how to further increase productivity at all costs, but how to >provide access to food there is. The question is not "How can we feed >the world," but "How can the people of the world feed themselves." >"Environmentalists have to make it clear," Bode concluded, "that >sustainable agriculture is not just an interesting alternative or >niche market but an ecological imperative." > ends >For further information contact Benedikt Haerlin, Greenpeace >International Genetic Engineering coordinator +49 40 30618-410, fax >-140 > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The address for any administrative command like unsubscribe, >subscribe or help is: > > GENTECH-REQUEST@ping.de From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 01:31:37 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22111; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22327; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id AAA01409 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpmt2.cyberport.net (root@ns2.cyberport.net [208.136.100.4]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id AAA01406 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.cyberport.net (cyb-pm3-023.cyberport.net [208.136.100.152]) by cpmt2.cyberport.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA21885 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:26:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199709270426.WAA21885@cpmt2.cyberport.net> Reply-To: From: "Joe Brenneman" To: Subject: Organic Dairy Farmers Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:32:41 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 I'm interested in corresponding with some organic dairy farmers, particularly anyone not located next to a large population center and involved in processing and marketing their products as well as producing organic milk. Thanks, Joe Brenneman Two Dog Dairy 800 Steel Bridge Road Kalispell, Montana 59901 From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 05:20:43 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA26112; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA07478; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id EAA07218 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [198.53.172.12]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id EAA07215 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from i1-151.islandnet.com [198.53.172.151] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0xEsDT-0006dIC for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:26:15 -0800 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu From: dragon@mail.islandnet.com (lischeron) Subject: unsubscribe Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 unsubscribe From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 07:31:36 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27796; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA23281; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id GAA09789 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.137]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id GAA09786 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (jennsueb@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA14985; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jennsueb@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA01080; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: jennsueb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: jennifer sue butler To: D J Dietz cc: "Margaret T. Baldor" , sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Organic Labeling and Certification - Looking for Resources In-Reply-To: <342AEBA2.191@globaldialog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 This is the info for the SMALLFARM-MG listserve: To Subscribe Send a message to -- majordomo@reeusda.gov In the body, type -- subscribe smallfarm-mg To Unsubscribe Send a message to -- majordomo@reeusda.gov In the body, type -- unsubscribe smallfarm-mg [Already at end of message] Good Luck with your search. Jenn Butler U of MD, Grad Student, Soil Fertility On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, D J Dietz wrote: > Margaret T. Baldor wrote: > > > > Hello - I'm interested in doing a term project for a grad. Agricultural > > Policy class on organic labeling and certification. I'm looking for really > > good resources -- knowledgable individuals, groups, organizations, > > government that I can contact. Any/all help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Meg. > > > > Meg Baldor > > 213 Carrigan Hall > > University of Vermont > > Burlington, VT 05405 > > (802) 656-0135 > > mbaldor@zoo.uvm.edu > > Meg, > > Try the SMALLFARM-MG list. They have been having quite the talk about > this lately. > > I looked for the subscription info but couldnt find it. Anyone on sanet > have that info? > > Dan Dietz > Reedsburg Wisconsin > > From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 08:34:20 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28053; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01036; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id GAA09979 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.137]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id GAA09976 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (jennsueb@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA15028; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jennsueb@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA01171; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: jennsueb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: jennifer sue butler To: "Sarah W. Obraitis" cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: human waste composting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 Sarah, Send your request to WASTENOT@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU. The group has a listserve about composting. Jenn Butler U of MD, Grad Student, Soil Fertility On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Sarah W. Obraitis wrote: > > hello saneters, > > i am doing a research project on the possibility of the establishment of a > human waste composting station in montpelier, vermont and its effects on > the environment and especially those onto farmers. the community is up > in arms. if anyone is involved in such a thing, or is knowledgeable on the > subect, references, comments and opinions would be greatly appreciated. > > thanks, sarah > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<><><><><><><><><><><> > Sarah W. Obraitis > sobraiti@zoo.uvm.edu > CDAE-Agricultural Economics and International Development > > > From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 14:27:08 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07235; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09632; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id MAA18574 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id MAA18571 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fpfzqlga (user-38lcac5.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.41.133]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09352; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342D3884.4A34@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:47:00 -0400 From: "Clarence W. Walker" Reply-To: atlintlcom@mindspring.com Organization: Atlanta Int'l Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sheryl N. Swink" CC: sksnow@1stnet.com, sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu, compost.list@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Help! Model Ordinances, Direct Marketing Farmer Surv References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 Sheryl N. Swink wrote: > > Dear Susan, > You wrote: > >Are you aware of the kind of compost being peddled by Clarence W. Walker > >and others? Not all compost is alike! Certainly, what we make at home > >is probably the best, especially if we are not using sewage sludge or > >mixed municipal solid waste. > > > >However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more than > >clean, environmentally safe compost . . .. > [The rest of the posting with details follows at the end of my response] > > Oops! > Thank you, Susan, for contributing more details about Mr. Walker's > "composted organics." I certainly agree with you that this is not the kind > of product I would envision myself or others buying at a farmer's market, > at least not if we were fully informed of the nature of the product! I read > the following message from Cary Oshins of Rodale Institute: > > >Clarence walker wrote: > >>Maria, Would it be appropriate for producers of professionally and > >>safely made composts to take their composted organics to such markets as > >>a means of reaching the farmers and possibly even educating those who > >>are interested in the value of composting as an alternative to > >>landfills? > > >Clarence, while it would be acceptable to sell compost at a farmer's market, > >it would hardly be economical. > >Cary Oshins > >Rodale Institute > > I understood this to be referring to compost derived from such things as > yard and kitchen waste and possibly manures Compost is (was?) being made > from such material collected at the curbside in Seattle (not the manures). > I'll have to check and see if any undesireable materials have been added to > the composting program there since I last checked. I hope they have not > moved toward being so inclusive as Clarence Walker's friends. That > certainly is not what the customers I worked with were looking to buy! I > responded as I did because I felt that enterprising farmers and others who > were making whatI thought was the kind of compost you or I would be > interested in should be discouraged from investigating a marketing > possibility. > > Thank you again for your informative reply, > > Sheryl Swink > > >However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more than > >clean, environmentally safe compost. One peddler-activist claims: > >''...We develop systems and produce compost from sludge, septage, mixed > >MSW, restaurant and carwash trap waste, animal waste by-products, and > >yes even landfill leachate...creosote,and a wide range of PAH's, > >chlorinated and halogenated hydrocarbons including PCB's, dioxins, VOC's > >have all been in the mix.'' > > >I personally have no problem using animal manures to heat up the pile > >and add nutrients, but I have a big problem with compost on farms and > >gardens which have used sewage sludge, landfill leachate, mixed > >municipal solid waste, cartrap wastes, PAH's, chlorinated and > >halogenated hydrocarbons including PCB's, dioxins, VOC's. Furthermore, > >some creative persons are looking to compost radioactive wastes, pulp > >and paper mill waste, oil and gas wastes including normally occurring > >radioactive material. > > >There is no wonder why companies like Wheelabrator Environmental > >Services which was a major player in the incinerator industry, is now in > >the composting business. Where else to get rid of that ash without > >regulations on fertilizers, potting soil, and compost? > > >There is some good information on sewage sludge (a.k.a. biosolids) in > >chapter 8 of the book, Toxic Sludge is Good for You. Chapter 8 is > >entitled The Sludge Hits the Fan and is located at > >http://www.envirolink.org/issues/sludge/sludge.html > > >Since you are at Cornell, I suggest you also read The Cause for Concern > >at http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/ You will need the Adobe Reader to > >download it in it's PDF form. The report compares standards around the > >world and discusses the problems with the US EPA regulations which > >protect industry but not public health. > > >Another source of information regarding standards for sewage sludge and > >compost comes from the paper version of the newsletter, WASTENOT, edited > >by Paul and Ellen Connett of St. Lawrence University in Canton, New > >York. > > > WN #241 has a chart which was reprinted with permission from > >Composting Frontiers, Spring 1993, page 3. Editor Susan Mazzochi. Waste > >Not says this is an excellent quarterly newsletter that is directed to > >provide "direction on composting for waste management." For more > >information, contact Composting Frontiers, 19 Girard Place, Maplewood, > >New Jersey 07040-3107. Tel: 201-762-4912. Fax: 201-761-5415. > > >I do not have the software to make a chart, therefore cannot give all > >that data that was in #241 in this email. However, for comparison, > >I'd like to share some of the standards for toxic heavy metals allowed > >in both compost and sewage sludge in the United States and in other > >progressive countries. > > >The federal [U.S.] government standards for Clean Water Act section 503 > >'High Quality' Sludges/Sludge Composts (also known as biosolids) in > >mg/kg weight follows; the second number is the CWA 503 Ceiling > >Concentrations: > > > >cadmium 39 - 85 > >chromium 1200 - 3000 > >cobalt --- > >copper 1500 - 4300 > >lead 300 - 800 > >mercury 17 - 57 > >molybdenum 18 - 75 > >nickel 420 > >selenium 36 - 100 > >zinc 2800 -7500 > > >To compare > >The Dutch Compost Sludge Quality Standards for Very Clean > >Compost/Sludge: > > >arsenic cadmium chromium copper lead mercury nickel zinc > > 5/15 0.7/1.25 50/350 25/75 65/100 0.2/0.75 10/30 75/300 > > >The German Compost/Sludge Quality Standards: > > >none for arsenic > >cadmium 1.5/1-1.5 > >chromium 100/10 > >copper 100/6 > >lead 150/100 > >mercury 1.0/1.0 > >nickel 50/5 > >zinc 400/150-200 > > > >Canadian Compost Quality Standards > > Ontario British Columbia National Guideline > >arsenic 10 13 13 > >cadmium 3 2.6 2.6 > >chromium 50. 210. 210. > >cobalt 25. -- 26. > >copper 60. 100. 128. > >lead 150 150. 83. > >mercury 0.15 .8 0.83 > >molybdenum 2 -- 7 > >nickel 60. 50. 32. > >selenium 2 -- 2.6 > >zinc 500. 500. 315 > > >When you look at the numbers, do you wonder why our health in the United > >States is worth less than the health or life in the Netherlands, Germany > >and Canada. Will our children be able to compete in a world where the > >United States allows higher levels of toxic metals, especially lead in > >high quality sludges and composted sewage sludge? > > >BTW, when I posted these numbers to Mr. Walker's online discussion list, > >he had me delisted and banished. Contrary to what Clarence W. Walker > >states, he does not want to hear from those who oppose him or the > >environmental community. Can we really afford to continue poisoning our > >soils and life on earth, including our children, in order that > >industries can make money by composting industrial wastes? > > > > > > > >Susan Snow The above constitutes specifically legally actionable slander, libel, direct and specific lies, and gross distortion of anything remotely resembling facts. I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has ever once reviewed a test result of my compost...ever! I defy Ms. Snow to show that she has even once reviewed my standard...ever! I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has even once reviewed the contents of my compost...ever! I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has ever reviewed any product that I have produced...ever! I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has even once looked at, tested, or touched a single product that I have distributed...ever! Ms Snow, as the owner of the WASTENOT list I am reluctantly forced by your lack of professionalism to disclose that you were removed from the wastenot list specifically because of your activities such as the above.Whereas others in the environmental recycling community are actively interested in and supportive of raising the arts and sciences of composting and working together for the good of all you seem to be obsessed with negativity and obfuscation. Is this really reflective of the good work of the many of us in the environmental, recycling, composting, agricultural community who are trying to work along posive lines? I think not! Please try to stick to the truth...even if the truth doesn't always seem to serve your seemingly nefarious ends. -- Atlanta International Communications,Inc./Sales Reps. & Consulting Svcs. See our web site! Updated 07-14-97 http://www.mindspring.com/~atlintlcom Indust., Commercial, Muni., and Agri. Waste Processing Systems & Eqpt. 7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 phone 770-392-1313 fax 770 392-0078 email: atlintlcom@mindspring.com New equipment lines, systems, and project inquiries always considered. From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 20:19:56 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03227; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23403; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id SAA28703 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id SAA28700 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp16.1stnet.com [206.104.46.16]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA32005; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: <342D8D43.4CD1@1stnet.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:48:35 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sheryl N. Swink" CC: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu, compost.list@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Help! Model Ordinances, Direct Marketing Farmer Surv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 Dear Sheryl, With regards to my post to you, Mr. Walker wrote: > The above constitutes specifically legally actionable slander, libel, > direct and specific lies, and gross distortion of anything remotely > resembling facts. Let's see...I wrote to you that: > Are you aware of the kind of compost being peddled by Clarence W. Walker and others? > Not all compost is alike! Certainly, what we make at home is probably the best, especially if we are not > using sewage sludge or mixed municipal solid waste. > > However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more > than clean, environmentally safe compost. One peddler-activist > claims: > ''...We develop systems and produce compost from sludge, septage, > > mixed MSW, restaurant and carwash trap waste, animal waste > > by-products, and yes even landfill leachate...creosote,and a wide > > range of PAH's, chlorinated and halogenated hydrocarbons including > > PCB's, dioxins, VOC's have all been in the mix...'' [snip] > Furthermore, some creative persons are looking to compost radioactive > wastes, pulp and paper mill waste, oil and gas wastes including > normally occurring radioactive material. [snip] Whom am I slandering, libeling, telling direct and specific lies, and 'gross distortion of anything remotely resembling facts'? I did not say who said what. I simply shared one statement which was made by one individual on Mr. Walker's list. I quoted whas he said without mentioning his name or company. Nor did I say that was in Mr. Walker's compost. I don't know what is in his compost. I have not ever once reviewed a test result of Mr. Walker's compost; reviewed his standard; reviewed the contents of his compost; reviewed any product that he has produced; even once looked at, tested, or touched a single product that he has distributed. Moreover, I did not recall having said that I did. I said: > There is some good information on sewage sludge (a.k.a. biosolids) in > chapter 8 of the book, Toxic Sludge is Good for You. Chapter 8 is > entitled The Sludge Hits the Fan and is located at > http://www.envirolink.org/issues/sludge/sludge.html I said: > > Since you are at Cornell, I suggest you also read The Cause for > > Concern at http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/ You will need the Adobe > > Reader to download it in it's PDF form. The report compares > > standards around the world and discusses the problems with the US > EPA regulations [snip] > that protect industry but not public health.' Does that constitute: ''..specifically legally actionable slander, libel, direct and specific lies, and gross distortion of anything remotely resembling facts''? Perhaps, I should have stated that '' the US EPA's regulations that protect industry but not public health'' was my opinion. After all, EPA's risk assessment only looks at some of the toxic metals. It does not look at PCBs, dioxins, and the other some 70,000 plus mostly unregulated chemicals. Nor does it look some of the chemicals linked to fish downstream from sewage treatment plants producing a protein that only female fish are said to produce. Scientists tell me said fish and other species are become intersexed, from some of the manmade chemicals released into the environment that may be coming from sewage treatment plants. Yet, these chemicals are unregulated; not considered in the risk assessment. Nor do the regulations look at the multiple effects that combinations of known and unknown chemicals may be causing; the effects to multiple generations. Absence of data is considered a null in risk assessment...I understand. Therefore, they are ignored. If they are ignored, how can EPA's regulations be protective of public health? Mr. Walker said that: > Ms Snow, as the owner of the WASTENOT list I am reluctantly forced by > your lack of professionalism to disclose that you were removed from > the wastenot list specifically because of your activities such as the > above.Whereas others in the environmental recycling community are > actively interested in and supportive of raising the arts and sciences > of composting and working together for the good of all you seem to be > obsessed with negativity and obfuscation. [snip] I know of two other persons that have been removed from Wastenot because their verbalized viewpoints conflicted with those being promoted. If this a lie, what is the truth? In fact, a secret admirer who generally does not post statements to the list is forwarding me the digests. Within the September 26, 1997 digest, I learned that one person said he was asked by Mr. Walker to: > find out the "environmental community's" opinion > about composted sludge. This is what I have found. > > The environmental community has been waiting > for Cornell Waste Management Institute to issue its > report on sludge land application. That report has > actually now been issued (actual publication date August, > 1997). The report, about 35 pages long is located at > http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/PDFS/PDFS.html > and it's recommendations are very similar to the > Dutch standards, with lower limits for a few metals. > > The principle used in the Cornell recommendations > was the prevention of accumulation, over long term, > beyond current background limits. > > The report is extremely critical of the EPA's > methodology for determining the Part 503 regs, > citing numerous studies. > > During the next few months, the environmental > community will be reviewing and studying the > Cornell report and the reports on which it is based, > and make decisions about when/where/how to > proceed. It is obvious that many current applications > and many processes are creating "fertilizers", composts, > and dry mixes that are far above even the Dutch > standards, and those will be undoubtedly challenged. > > There are upwards of 10,000 community environmental > organizations in the U.S. alone. During the last 10 years, they > have been primarily responsible (sometimes with the backing > of local and federal laws) for the closing of 90% of the landfills > in the U.S. and the virtual standstill of the incinerator industry. > > These organizations act completely independent of each > other, but look to advisory organizations for guidance. > The organizations look to Cornell Waste > Management Institute for reports on sludge, > composting, etc. > > So there is the answer, which is close to what I expected, > essentially the Dutch standards. [snip] Will this individual be eliminated from the list? After all, Mr. Walker told him: > I can't believe you would do this. Meanwhile I have heard nothing > from any of the groups you purport to represent or others of the > recycling/environmental industry or associations that you had > mentioned bringing for discussion. This posting is reflecting the same > party line and lack of consideration that has exhausted everyone's > patience. > Desist. [snip] So, you see that although, I don't know this person, there are others on the list that share my point of view. Does that mean that I have been lying? It appears to me that those who peddle the ideas of composting questionable materials do not want to hear from people concerned about the potential quality or health problems due to their products or about conflicting viewpoints. If I was banished from Mr. Walker's list for my unprofessionalism in sharing this quoted information with you, my banishment is the cart before the horse. For I had not shared information learned on the list with others on the outside previously; and certainly, I had not mentioned names of companies or their owners. I suggest that my banishment and delisting was because of my concerns and cited information. I support composting vegetable matter be it food wastes and/or yard, garden, agricultural (and other vegetative) wastes. I also support using animal manures to help heat up the process and hence kill weed seeds, and pathogens; as well as add nitrogen and other nutrients. I am opposed however, to composting other fractions of the waste stream such as sewage sludge (a.k.a biosolids), landfill leachate, cartrap wastes, etc. Unless I hear back from Mr. Walker again, I will not bother you with refuted statements. Susan Snow Is this really reflective of > the good work of the many of us in the environmental, recycling, > composting, agricultural community who are trying to work along posive > lines? I think not! Please try to stick to the truth...even if the > truth doesn't always seem to serve your seemingly nefarious ends. > -- From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 22:41:58 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04935; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21562; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id VAA03306 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net (root@acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id VAA03302 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.254.241.5] (term1-9.vta.west.net [205.254.241.9]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA06805 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:13:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: colibri@mail.west.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <342D3884.4A34@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Beth von Gunten Subject: re gross distortion Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 Clarence W. Walker sent the following sequence: >Sheryl N. Swink wrote: >> >> Dear Susan, >> You wrote: >> >Are you aware of the kind of compost being peddled by Clarence W. Walker >> >and others? Not all compost is alike! Certainly, what we make at home >> >is probably the best, especially if we are not using sewage sludge or >> >mixed municipal solid waste. >> > >> >However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more than >> >clean, environmentally safe compost . . .. >> [The rest of the posting with details follows at the end of my response] >> >> Oops! >> Thank you, Susan, for contributing more details about Mr. Walker's >> "composted organics." I certainly agree with you that this is not the kind >> of product I would envision myself or others buying at a farmer's market, >> at least not if we were fully informed of the nature of the product! I read >> the following message from Cary Oshins of Rodale Institute: >> >> >Clarence walker wrote: >> >>Maria, Would it be appropriate for producers of professionally and >> >>safely made composts to take their composted organics to such markets as >> >>a means of reaching the farmers and possibly even educating those who >> >>are interested in the value of composting as an alternative to >> >>landfills? >> >> >Clarence, while it would be acceptable to sell compost at a farmer's market, >> >it would hardly be economical. >> >Cary Oshins >> >Rodale Institute >> >> I understood this to be referring to compost derived from such things as >> yard and kitchen waste and possibly manures Compost is (was?) being made >> from such material collected at the curbside in Seattle (not the manures). >> I'll have to check and see if any undesireable materials have been added to >> the composting program there since I last checked. I hope they have not >> moved toward being so inclusive as Clarence Walker's friends. That >> certainly is not what the customers I worked with were looking to buy! I >> responded as I did because I felt that enterprising farmers and others who >> were making whatI thought was the kind of compost you or I would be >> interested in should be discouraged from investigating a marketing >> possibility. >> >> Thank you again for your informative reply, >> >> Sheryl Swink >> >> >However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more than >> >clean, environmentally safe compost. One peddler-activist claims: >> >''...We develop systems and produce compost from sludge, septage, mixed >> >MSW, restaurant and carwash trap waste, animal waste by-products, and >> >yes even landfill leachate...creosote,and a wide range of PAH's, >> >chlorinated and halogenated hydrocarbons including PCB's, dioxins, VOC's >> >have all been in the mix.'' >> >> >I personally have no problem using animal manures to heat up the pile >> >and add nutrients, but I have a big problem with compost on farms and >> >gardens which have used sewage sludge, landfill leachate, mixed >> >municipal solid waste, cartrap wastes, PAH's, chlorinated and >> >halogenated hydrocarbons including PCB's, dioxins, VOC's. Furthermore, >> >some creative persons are looking to compost radioactive wastes, pulp >> >and paper mill waste, oil and gas wastes including normally occurring >> >radioactive material. >> >> >There is no wonder why companies like Wheelabrator Environmental >> >Services which was a major player in the incinerator industry, is now in >> >the composting business. Where else to get rid of that ash without >> >regulations on fertilizers, potting soil, and compost? >> >> >There is some good information on sewage sludge (a.k.a. biosolids) in >> >chapter 8 of the book, Toxic Sludge is Good for You. Chapter 8 is >> >entitled The Sludge Hits the Fan and is located at >> >http://www.envirolink.org/issues/sludge/sludge.html >> >> >Since you are at Cornell, I suggest you also read The Cause for Concern >> >at http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/ You will need the Adobe Reader to >> >download it in it's PDF form. The report compares standards around the >> >world and discusses the problems with the US EPA regulations which >> >protect industry but not public health. >> >> >Another source of information regarding standards for sewage sludge and >> >compost comes from the paper version of the newsletter, WASTENOT, edited >> >by Paul and Ellen Connett of St. Lawrence University in Canton, New >> >York. >> >> > WN #241 has a chart which was reprinted with permission from >> >Composting Frontiers, Spring 1993, page 3. Editor Susan Mazzochi. Waste >> >Not says this is an excellent quarterly newsletter that is directed to >> >provide "direction on composting for waste management." For more >> >information, contact Composting Frontiers, 19 Girard Place, Maplewood, >> >New Jersey 07040-3107. Tel: 201-762-4912. Fax: 201-761-5415. >> >> >I do not have the software to make a chart, therefore cannot give all >> >that data that was in #241 in this email. However, for comparison, >> >I'd like to share some of the standards for toxic heavy metals allowed >> >in both compost and sewage sludge in the United States and in other >> >progressive countries. >> >> >The federal [U.S.] government standards for Clean Water Act section 503 >> >'High Quality' Sludges/Sludge Composts (also known as biosolids) in >> >mg/kg weight follows; the second number is the CWA 503 Ceiling >> >Concentrations: >> > >> >cadmium 39 - 85 >> >chromium 1200 - 3000 >> >cobalt --- >> >copper 1500 - 4300 >> >lead 300 - 800 >> >mercury 17 - 57 >> >molybdenum 18 - 75 >> >nickel 420 >> >selenium 36 - 100 >> >zinc 2800 -7500 >> >> >To compare >> >The Dutch Compost Sludge Quality Standards for Very Clean >> >Compost/Sludge: >> >> >arsenic cadmium chromium copper lead mercury nickel zinc >> > 5/15 0.7/1.25 50/350 25/75 65/100 0.2/0.75 10/30 75/300 >> >> >The German Compost/Sludge Quality Standards: >> >> >none for arsenic >> >cadmium 1.5/1-1.5 >> >chromium 100/10 >> >copper 100/6 >> >lead 150/100 >> >mercury 1.0/1.0 >> >nickel 50/5 >> >zinc 400/150-200 >> > >> >Canadian Compost Quality Standards >> > Ontario British Columbia National Guideline >> >arsenic 10 13 13 >> >cadmium 3 2.6 2.6 >> >chromium 50. 210. 210. >> >cobalt 25. -- 26. >> >copper 60. 100. 128. >> >lead 150 150. 83. >> >mercury 0.15 .8 0.83 >> >molybdenum 2 -- 7 >> >nickel 60. 50. 32. >> >selenium 2 -- 2.6 >> >zinc 500. 500. 315 >> >> >When you look at the numbers, do you wonder why our health in the United >> >States is worth less than the health or life in the Netherlands, Germany >> >and Canada. Will our children be able to compete in a world where the >> >United States allows higher levels of toxic metals, especially lead in >> >high quality sludges and composted sewage sludge? >> >> >BTW, when I posted these numbers to Mr. Walker's online discussion list, >> >he had me delisted and banished. Contrary to what Clarence W. Walker >> >states, he does not want to hear from those who oppose him or the >> >environmental community. Can we really afford to continue poisoning our >> >soils and life on earth, including our children, in order that >> >industries can make money by composting industrial wastes? >> > >> >Susan Snow > >The above constitutes specifically legally actionable slander, libel, >direct and specific lies, and gross distortion of anything remotely >resembling facts. >I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has ever once reviewed a test result >of my compost...ever! >I defy Ms. Snow to show that she has even once reviewed my >standard...ever! >I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has even once reviewed the contents of >my compost...ever! >I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has ever reviewed any product that I >have produced...ever! > I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has even once looked at, tested, or >touched a single product that I have distributed...ever! > >Ms Snow, as the owner of the WASTENOT list I am reluctantly forced by >your lack of professionalism to disclose that you were removed from the >wastenot list specifically because of your activities such as the >above.Whereas others in the environmental recycling community are >actively interested in and supportive of raising the arts and sciences >of composting and working together for the good of all you seem to be >obsessed with negativity and obfuscation. Is this really reflective of >the good work of the many of us in the environmental, recycling, >composting, agricultural community who are trying to work along posive >lines? I think not! Please try to stick to the truth...even if the truth >doesn't always seem to serve your seemingly nefarious ends. Mr Walker, You've stated plainly that you disagree with Ms Snow's characterization of your work. From what you've written, though, it's not as clear *what* your specific disagreement is, as nowhere in your statement do you refute any of her specific assertions. We are fortunate that this medium provides such immediate opportunity for you to state your case directly and clear your name. Specifically, which of her assertions do you dispute and why? From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Sep 28 17:32:24 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18330; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10730; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id QAA01056 for sanet-real; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id QAA01053 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s09.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.169]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08383; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970928131815.007dfeb0@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:18:15 -0700 To: atlintlcom@mindspring.com, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <342E6A7F.1799@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 When all the trees have been cut down and all the waters have been poisoned and the sun becomes to hot to take and the last fish is caught and all the soil has been made sterile than maybe man well learn you can not eat money. At 10:32 AM 9/28/97 -0400, Clarence W. Walker wrote: >Date: > Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:06:36 -0400 > From: > Roder Russo >If Henry Ford, Edison and the Wright brothers had listened to their >nay-sayers, we would be travelling by horse and buggy, and reading by >candle light. For those of us who are in the business, risking capital, >making a concerted effort to "do the right thing" w can understand the >difficulty in dealing with idealilst, individuals who are against >everything and for nothing. I honestly believe that we can and will >prevail. > >RR > > From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Sep 28 18:29:09 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21713; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24431; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id RAA03560 for sanet-real; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pearl.mhtc.net (pearl.mhtc.net [208.135.157.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id RAA03557 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hh1122191.direcpc.com (plat-cas1-cs-5.dial.mhtc.net [156.46.19.135]) by pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/FNG) with ESMTP id QAA26720; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:21:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709282121.QAA26720@pearl.mhtc.net> From: "D.B.Sullivan" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Organic Dairy Farmers Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:16:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 You Wrote ---------- Joe Brenneman Two Dog Dairy 800 Steel Bridge Road Kalispell, Montana 59901 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Organic Dairy Farmers Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 11:32 PM I'm interested in corresponding with some organic dairy farmers, particularly anyone not located next to a large population center and involved in processing and marketing their products as well as producing organic milk. ============= I am forward your email to CROPP Cooperative, Organic Valley tm Family of Farms 507n W Main Street PO Box 159 La Farge , Wi 54639 1-608-625-2602 They can give you plenty of leads and contacts organic@mwt.net From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Sep 28 19:29:33 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23314; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06476; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id RAA02509 for sanet-real; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id RAA02506 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fpfzqlga (user-38lcal1.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.42.161]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02027; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342EC849.734@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:12:41 -0400 From: "Clarence W. Walker" Reply-To: atlintlcom@mindspring.com Organization: Atlanta Int'l Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sal CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <3.0.2.32.19970928131815.007dfeb0@rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 sal wrote: > When all the trees have been cut down and all the waters have been poisoned and the sun becomes to hot to take and the last fish is caught and all the soil has been made sterile then maybe man will learn you can not eat money. SAL, Can you please illucidate, this is very heavy and I want to be very sure that I understand your point here. With over 12,000 miles travelled in the past year, thousands spent out of my pocket, countless hours spent establishing two list, an international professional trade society, a free conference pending this month for which I have borne the costs and not one penny charged during the past three years towards such interests I just want to be sure I haven't missed something. I'm sure that the many associations, organizations, politicians, and countless others on the pay rolls of the waste haulers, landfill operators, and "recyclers" never accept their millions ....right? As for WASTENOT and the International Composting Association....not one single penny has ever been charged or accepted and there is NO outside association, affiliation,funding, or underwriting of ANY nature... and never has been! From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Sep 28 20:30:02 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23919; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17187; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id TAA06242 for sanet-real; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gold.wvnet.edu (gold.wvnet.edu [129.71.2.25]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id TAA06239 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wisent (129.71.87.12) by gold.wvnet.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.1B73C110@gold.wvnet.edu>; 28 Sep 1997 19:09:56 -0400 From: MEBUCKNER@wnpb.wvnet.edu (Marian Buckner) To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:10:02 -0400 Subject: Farming at Risk Because of Growth Message-ID: Organization: WISe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 2 for FirstClass(R) Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 Can you help with answers to any of the following? I am gathering info for a possible small research project. This proposed project would research bringing in new rural infrastructure or support services to help make farming continue to be viable. A few of our agricultural support services have left because not enough of an agricultural base was left for their particular business to be profitable. Our rural area is very threatened by growth, but still holding its own for the time being. Here are my questions: 1. Do you know of anyone that has done such a study? Or anyone researching the area of rural infrastructure and agriculture support businesses or industries? 2. Do you know of books or journal articles that discuss this subject? 3. Do you know of any related experiences in other areas--successful or unsuccessful? 4. Please comment on the following ideas I've received from others: * Attract a county-based storage facility to our new industrial park (they're looking for high-tech businesses for the most part) that would process grains on the premises (eg, flour mill or oil extracting process). Question: What about nuisance aspects (noise, dust, trucks)? How does one find out how large an agricultural base is needed for such a facility to be profitable? * Attract farm equipment dealers with a diversified line for both farmers and suburban customers--lawn and garden, snowmobiles). Question: Will farm equipment dealers resist this because they want their farm equipment to be primary? *Create a marketing group that could buy and sell blocks of grain from a number of farmers and lock in on better-priced markets. Question: Will farmers buy into this? They tend to want to be independent and act on their own. 5. Do you have other suggestions for "farmers on the urban edge"? Thanks! Marian Buckner From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 12:51:41 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11498; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06700; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id LAA05690 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id LAA05687 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.224.73.68] (gb1ip8.bcn.net [208.224.73.68]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA07696 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:24:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: csana@bcn.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:25:05 +0100 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: csana@bcn.net (csana) Subject: Farmer position avail. Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 WANTED: Experienced organic farmer(s) for fifth season, 105 member CSA with great potential for expansion in a growing community. "New England 27" greenhouse, ten+ acres excellent soil available on the site of the New England Small Farm Institute, offering resources and technical assistance. Mail letter of interest to: Core Group c/o B. Weiss 350 Old Enfield Road Belchertown, MA 01007 For further information call 413-323-4531. Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jug End Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CSA West/ Community Supported Agriculture A Program of Community Alliance with Family Farmers (CAFF) PO Box 363 / Davis, California 95617 916-756-8518 / 916-756-7857 (fax) csawest@caff.org http://www.caff.org From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 14:16:14 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03114; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29689; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id MAA09022 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pearl.mhtc.net (pearl.mhtc.net [208.135.157.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id MAA09019 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hh1122191.direcpc.com (plat-cas2-cs-1.dial.mhtc.net [156.46.19.182]) by pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/FNG) with ESMTP id LAA11032; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:43:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709291643.LAA11032@pearl.mhtc.net> From: "D.B.Sullivan" To: , Subject: Re: market price-Ginseng Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:38:51 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 ---------- From: Alogin@aol.com To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: market price Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 4:46 PM Hi everyone. I have just one question. What is the ginseng price in the market? (fresh and dried) If anybody has the information, please reply. thank you... Try Marthon UWEX , Wisconsin this is where most of all ginseng is grown. MARATHON (C) Barnett, Ken Phone 715-847-5258 fax 715-847-5279 email: KEN.BARNETT@ces.uwex.edu From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 15:22:34 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04160; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17606; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id OAA12758 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [198.53.172.12]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id OAA12755 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from i1-164.islandnet.com [198.53.172.164] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0xFkIg-0006dhC for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:11:16 -0800 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu From: dragon@mail.islandnet.com (lischeron) Subject: unsubscribe Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 unsubscribe sanet-mg From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 20:23:59 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09937; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04805; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id TAA25418 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyclops-e0.cogent.net (cyclops-e0.cogent.net [204.250.78.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id TAA25415 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mycomputer.cogent.net (p30.annex1.mfs.cogent.net [207.137.176.40]) by cyclops-e0.cogent.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA13199 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970929161756.006b4588@mail.cogent.net> X-Sender: inseason@mail.cogent.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:17:56 -0700 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Mark Thompson Subject: farming on urban fringe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 In response to the request for information about farming on the urban fringe, you might find some useful information and inspiration in a story about how thanks to farmers markets, some farmers are managing to hang on in a thoroughly urban setting -- the heart of Los Angeles. The story can be found on the "In Season" web site at . Regards, Mark Thompson Publisher, In Season From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 21:20:30 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11678; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17723; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id SAA24388 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from green.indy.net (green.indy.net [199.3.65.18]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id SAA24385 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from indy4.indy.net (root@indy4.indy.net [199.3.65.4]) by green.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA03795; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ip75-189.ts.indy.net [199.3.75.189]) by indy4.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA17115; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:50:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <343030D0.16C0@indy.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:50:57 -0500 From: Rich Molini Reply-To: richmo@indy.net Organization: IndyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marian Buckner CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Farming at Risk Because of Growth References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 Marian Buckner wrote: > > Can you help with answers to any of the following? I am gathering > info for a possible small research project. > This proposed project would research bringing in new rural > infrastructure or support services to help make farming continue to be > viable. A few of our agricultural support services have left because > not enough of an agricultural base was left for their particular > business to be profitable. Our rural area is very threatened by > growth, but still holding its own for the time being. > > Here are my questions: > 1. Do you know of anyone that has done such a study? Or anyone > researching the area of rural infrastructure and agriculture support > businesses or industries? > > 2. Do you know of books or journal articles that discuss this subject? > > 3. Do you know of any related experiences in other areas--successful > or unsuccessful? > > 4. Please comment on the following ideas I've received from others: > * Attract a county-based storage facility to our new industrial park > (they're looking for high-tech businesses for the most part) that would > process grains on the premises (eg, flour mill or oil extracting > process). > Question: What about nuisance aspects (noise, dust, trucks)? How > does one find out how large an agricultural base is needed for such a > facility to be profitable? > > * Attract farm equipment dealers with a diversified line for both > farmers and suburban customers--lawn and garden, snowmobiles). > Question: Will farm equipment dealers resist this because they want > their farm equipment to be primary? > > *Create a marketing group that could buy and sell blocks of grain from > a number of farmers and lock in on better-priced markets. > Question: Will farmers buy into this? They tend to want to be > independent and act on their own. > > 5. Do you have other suggestions for "farmers on the urban edge"? > > Thanks! Marian Buckner Marian, I have already read David Sullivan's reply to your inquiry, and I believe there are numerous success stories like those that he relayed and I hope to see many more. However, there are thousands of failures in this arena, because if we really don't address the root cause there is little accomplished. The root cause of rural decline is the loss of producers. When it becomes necessary to farm 1200 acres in Central Indiana to make a living growing and selling grain, there are too few producers and too many doing the same thing, in this case growing grain to ship off to some remote location to feed livestock or make oil. What many suggest you need to ensure the continued viability of the rural communities is 10 - 120 acre farms engaging in diversified activities. Ten farm families will repopulate the countryside and produce markets for all kinds of goods. These 10 farms however cannot only produce corn and beans. They have to produce real food products like beef, milk, chicken, eggs, jellies, jams, or produce. They have to add value to their products much like the pasta producers mentioned by David. Markets exist in this country for wholesome, nutritious, and healthy food, and people are willing to pay a premium price for beef, pork, or chicken that has taste or eggs that have color or apples that are crisp and fresh or real peaches that weren't designed to withstand a 5 foot fall. The added plus is that real food is produced understanding and respecting the natural ecosystems. Real food is grown organically and sustainably. Monsanto adds no value to an organic crop. No herbicides were needed to control undesirable plants. Cargill sold that organic producer no fertilizer where the money would return to headquarters and serve the executive committee. When you put sweat equity into cultivation and cover crops and a quality rotation to control pests the money stays in the community and Dow wonders why you didn't need their spray schedule. Produce, sell ,and consume your food locally that is the key to the rejuvenation of rural America. When the consumer knows the folks who produced those eggs and they know that those folks did not foul the air or add atrazine or Roundup to the creek they will repect and compliment them with a premium. They will build a relationship of trust and that trust will be contagious so that the local hardware store will remain because that 20 cents less at Walmart will not make a darn bit of difference. Think globally and shop and chew locally. Thanks, Rich From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 03:24:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA17420; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02771; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id CAA07395 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pixie.udw.ac.za (pixie.udw.ac.za [192.96.21.252]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id CAA07389 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bassa.udw.ac.za by pixie.udw.ac.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0xFvij-0003Q3C; Tue, 30 Sep 97 08:23 SST Message-ID: <343042FC.155F@PIXIE.UDW.AC.ZA> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:08:28 -0700 From: A F Bassa Organization: Department of Chemical Engineering, University of Durban-Westville X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: unsubscribe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 unsubscribe sanet-mg From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 06:19:23 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA19144; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA27953; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id EAA10802 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id EAA10799 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.102.67.138] (portshep3-67-98.intrepid.net [206.102.67.98]) by intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA26569 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:50:36 -0400 X-Sender: igg@intrepid.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:51:11 -0400 To: World Sustainable Agriculture Association From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: "Walking Tractor" Workshop Invitation Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 CONTACT: Allan Balliett BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century (304) 876-2373 (304) 876-9414 FAX biodynamics@biodynamics.com PRESS RELEASE ===== ======= For Immediate Release "Walking Tractors" Offer Gardeners an Economical Way to Increase Productivity If today you garden successfully in a small way and are considering how to manage a much bigger garden for at home use, a walking tractor may be right for you. 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Check out the Biodynamic Association WEB PAGE: http://www.biodynamics.com Thank you, Allan Balliett, Moderator, BD-L =============================== From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 07:24:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA19831; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA06765; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id EAA10807 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id EAA10804 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.102.67.138] (portshep3-67-98.intrepid.net [206.102.67.98]) by intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA26580 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:50:39 -0400 X-Sender: igg@intrepid.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:49:42 -0400 To: World Sustainable Agriculture Association From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: SPADING MACHINE CLINIC in TRI-STATE AREA Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 CONTACT: Allan Balliett POB 3047 Shepherdstown, WV 25443 (304) 876-2373 (304) 876-9414 FAX biodynamics@biodynamics.com PRESS RELEASE ===== ======= For Immediate Release "Spading Machine" Performs Primary Tillage with Minimal Disturbance to Biological Activity in Farm Soils The Italian spading machine represents the greatest improvement in tillage tools of the twentieth century. This 3pt mounted tractor implement allows a hard packed field to be converted to a deeply dug, well aerated subsoil, and a crumbled surface ready for planting in a single slow pass with a low horse power tractor. While accomplishing this remarkable result no plow pan is formed, existing hard pans are destroyed and top soil is kept on top, undiluted with subsoil. In addition, green manures and crop residues are incorporated into the soil at the most biologically active depth. Primary and secondary tillage can be accomplished in a single, slow, pass. On October 4, 1997, Eugene F. Canales, the person who introduced this remarkable machine to the USA and a columnist for "BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century" magazine, will conduct a clinic on the correct use and maintenance of spaders. Mr. Canales, owner of Ferrari Tractor CIE, will explain how to select, how to mount, how to adjust, how to operate and how to care for a spading machine, whether it is a 30 inch model digging 8 inches deep on a 15 HP mini tractor or a 20 ft. model for a 200 HP field tractor digging 14 to 20 inches deep. There is no charge for this clinic, which is part of the 1997 Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Conference, Oct 3-5 at the Claymont Court Agricultural Project, outside of Charles Town, WV. A reservation is required to attend this clinic. Call 876-6818 for more information, times, and to reserve your seat. # # # =========================================================================== To Post to the Bio-Dynamics Mailing list: bd-l@biodynamics.com =========================================================================== Subscribe to BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century the Bi-Monthly Magazine about Developments in the Art and Science of Biodyamics. 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Check out the Biodynamic Association WEB PAGE: http://www.biodynamics.com Thank you, Allan Balliett, Moderator, BD-L =============================== From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 07:25:17 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA19842; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA06880; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id GAA12982 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x10.boston.juno.com ([205.231.101.25]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id GAA12979 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dan.worley@juno.com) by x10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GHE23869; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:07:21 EDT To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:03:58 AST Subject: Richard Wolfson : GE news Message-ID: <19970930.060643.27943.3.DAN.WORLEY@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-11,13,15,17-18,20-25,27-28,30-32,34,36,38-40, 42-45,47,49-51,53-54,56-57,59-60,62,64-66,68,70-93 From: dan.worley@juno.com (Daniel D. Worley) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Wolfson To: info@natural-law.ca Subject: GE news Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:56:26 -0400 Message-ID: HERE ARE TWO NEWS STORIES THAT RECENTLY CAME OUT OF A EUROPEAN NEWSLETTER: UNHAPPY FARMER A Canadian farmer recently phoned in to take part in a radio programme (CBC September =9197) discussing labelling of GM crops. He went on to say how unhappy he was with the Roundup Ready Canola that he was in the process of harvesting. He reported that he was only getting 15 bushels per acre, after getting 30 the week before from the fields seeded with conventional canola. He had seeded RR Canola because he =91wanted to clean u= p this field=92. The problem with that was that the weeds the Roundup were guaranteed to clean up were still there. On top of that, he said, he had grown some RR canola the year before and kept it segregated, but this year the industry told him not to bother segregating the RR canola because it had been approved in Japan and Europe. Now they tell him that the European and Japanese buyers don't want it, approved or not, because the public don't want it - but now it is all mixed in with his regular canola! The radio station was CBC Regina, the show was on air from 1-2 p.m. local time, on Sept. 2nd and the host was Lindy Thorsen. Peter McCann, an industry front man (pres. of AgWest Biotech, a publicly funded industry lobby group) was a guest on the show as was Brewster Kneen, who is an anti-ge campaigner. BRAZIL SAYS NO Brazilian agriculture officials will meet on October 2nd to discuss Brazil's ban on imports of soybeans containing GMOs. At present, the entry into Brazil of any soybeans containing genetically modified material is prohibited; providing a source of GM-free processed soybeans for other countries. Brazil itself has said that the main reason for the ban is that some third countries who are significant buyers of the processed soybean do impose restrictions on such products. Without imports of U.S. soybeans, which some say could total around 2 million tons, sources say the Brazilian [soya bean], crushing industry could shut down for several months, potentially from Nov. 1997 to Feb. 1998, when new-crop supplies come on line. Brazil's own GE free soya beans were in such high demand this year that they sold out in record time. ** Brazil is under immense pressure from the US to end its ban, please send as many faxes as possible to the Brazilian Agriculture Minister, Arlindo Porto, before October 2nd, urging him not to give in. Explain to him the US strategy and tell him that Europe doesn=92t want transgenic soya from the US and that Brazil shouldn't be pressured into buying something that nobody else wants. His fax number is: +55-61-225 9046. If you have the time fax Brazilian press also. For their details email: martin.rickinger@apis.com.br he would also like to hear about any faxes that you send to Arlindo Porto. _________________________________________________________ Richard Wolfson, PhD Campaign for Mandatory Labelling and Long-term Testing of all Genetically Engineered Foods Natural Law Party, 500 Wilbrod Street Ottawa, ON Canada K1N 6N2 Tel. 613-565-8517 Fax. 613-565-1596 email: rwolfson@concentric.net Our website, http://www.natural-law.ca/genetic/geindex.html contains more information on genetic engineering. To receive regular news on genetic engineering and this campaign, please send an email message with 'subscribe GE' in the subject line to rwolfson@concentric.net To unsubscribe, please send the message 'unsubscribe GE' __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ --------- End forwarded message ---------- From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 08:18:46 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA20605; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA16570; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id HAA14362 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net [203.108.7.41]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id HAA14359 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oznet02.ozemail.com.au (oznet02.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.124]) by server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA01741; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:09:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from default (modem72-213.one.net.au [203.56.72.213]) by oznet02.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA16840; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:09:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3430DD28.1152@ozemail.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:06:16 +1000 From: "Marsupial Landscapes P.L." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hawkins@empm.cdpr.ca.gov CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Efficacy of hot water on weeds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 -- Marsupial Landscapes Pty Ltd. mailto:marsup@ozemail.com.au Ph: 61-2-99056844 Fax : 61-2-99056244 I have been browsing the web for other persons interested in the use of hot water for controlling weeds. I have been looking at alternatives to the use of biocides for the control of weeds in the built environment ie open public space. There appears to be one or two companies world wide who have developed apparatus for the application of hot water to weeds. The apparatus as they stand at the moment have a few major flaws. - They use in excess of 4 litres per minute of water therefore requiring a cumbersome amount of water to be transported and a continual time consuming refill on avearge every 1 to 2 hours. - The heat exchanger is deisel fuelled; being costly, energy inefficient noisy and potentially polluting. If we are looking for sustainable and non polluting alternatives a cleaner energy source is required. - The consequential size of the apparatus make them unable to unobtrusively operate in the public domain and the volume of water consumed and consequentially out poured causes excessive runoff on paved areas and floods garden beds. -Tractor mounted apparatus are unable to apply control to the crop rows. Trials I have carried out have shown that Hot water at tempertures in excess of 75 degrees C will cause permanent cell collapse within 5 seconds on a majority of soft tissued plants above ground. Controlling more persistant stoloniferous, rhizomateous, corm and bulb weeds requires heating the soil to temperatures in excess of 65 degrees C. To do this the hot water must have time to penetrate the rhizosphere and be of an application temperature high enough to still be of effect at the required depth ie upto 75mm (3"). There is some concern for the other organisms present in the rhizosphere, but worm counts a few days following application are encouraging, probably due to their feeding on resultant dead tissue. Microflora counts have not been done. Mr Hawkins, you mention in correspondance that you are familiar with hot water treatment of weeds. I would be pleased if you could refer me to any published articles, preferably prior to 1991, on the method. I am running overtime on research and would be greatfull for an early response. Jeremy Winer Sydney. From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 09:46:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21957; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02975; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id HAA14930 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arcmail.agric.za (arc1.agric.za [155.240.199.21]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id HAA14921 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:43:39 -0400 (EDT) From: RFOWLER@cedara1.agric.za Received: from CEDARA1.AGRIC.ZA ([155.240.105.10]) by arcmail.agric.za (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA22874 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:01:58 +0200 Received: from CEDARA1/SpoolDir by CEDARA1.AGRIC.ZA (Mercury 1.21); 30 Sep 97 13:43:23 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by CEDARA1 (Mercury 1.30); 30 Sep 97 13:38:02 +0200 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:37:57 +0200 Subject: "Walking (Animal?) Tractor" Workshop Invitation X-Confirm-Reading-To: X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <10CA2F76559@CEDARA1.AGRIC.ZA> Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 Are these bovine or equine tractors? Surely the economical sustainable enviro-friendly biodynamic way to enter the 21st century is by using animal draft power (and by- products)! Richard Fowler ********************************************************************* N.B. PLEASE NOTE NEW PHONE NUMBERS BELOW !!!!!!!!!!!!! ********************************************************************** Richard Fowler East Coast Co-ordinator Farming Systems Research & Technology Transfer Grain Crops Institute : Agricultural Research Council P/bag X 9059 PIETERMARITZBURG 3200 SOUTH AFRICA PHONE: 27 (0) 331 3559410 (alternatives 3559409 / 3559452) FAX: 27 (0) 331 431571 E-mail: rfowler@cedara1.agric.za ********************************************************************** From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 10:18:02 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22570; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10044; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id JAA19140 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bud.peinet.pe.ca (root@bud.peinet.pe.ca [198.167.1.1]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id JAA19135 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WS.cs.upei.ca (mt-as02.peinet.pe.ca [198.167.12.102]) by bud.peinet.pe.ca (8.8.6/8.6.15) with SMTP id KAA23408; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:08:21 -0300 (ADT) Message-ID: <3430FA33.243B@cycor.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:10:11 -0300 From: Don Harris Reply-To: dharris@bud.peinet.pe.ca Organization: University of UPEI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu CC: dharris@upei.ca Subject: Ethanol from grain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 Dear SANetters Can anyone point me to a report(s) detailing the economics of processing grain into ethanol? Is it feasible or are do the input energies exceed the output energy. Thanks, -- Don Harris Technical Information Specialist University of PEI, Charlottetown, PEI Off: 902-566-0794 fax:902-566-0756 From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 11:12:45 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23480; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23271; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id IAA17608 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliff.nal.usda.gov (cliff.nal.usda.gov [192.54.138.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id IAA17604 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cliff.nal.usda.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA23009; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:54:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andy Clark, SAN Coordinator" X-Sender: san@cliff To: A F Bassa cc: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribing from sanet In-Reply-To: <343042FC.155F@PIXIE.UDW.AC.ZA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, someone wrote: > unsubscribe sanet-mg > To unsubscribe, send a message to: almanac@ces.ncsu.edu In the BODY of the message, type ONLY: unsubscribe sanet-mg Please contact me if you have any problems. Andy Clark, Ph.D. SAN Coordinator c/o AFSIC, Room 304 USDA/ARS/National Agricultural Library 10301 Baltimore Ave. Beltsville, MD 20705-2351 san@nal.usda.gov PH : (301) 504-6425 FAX: (301) 504-6409 http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/san/ From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 11:37:26 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24801; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00433; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id JAA20960 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vcgi.uvm.edu (vcgi.uvm.edu [132.198.131.51]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id JAA20957 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vcgi.uvm.edu; id AA04304; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:46:00 -0400 Message-Id: <3430FED3.5B85@vcgi.uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:29:55 -0400 From: Leslie Pelch Reply-To: lesliep@vcgi.uvm.edu Organization: Vermont Center for Geographic Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: urban edible landscape response Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 I would like to share another response I just received: John Fisk wrote: > > In reply to your inquiry: > > There is a project in Berkeley CA, hardly the NorthEast, called Edible > Schoolyard and has been instigated by the Chez Panisse (sp?) Foundation. > It uses the schoolyard to grow food for the school lunch program with > maximum participation by the students. > > Their phone number is:510 548-1335 > > Best of luck, > John Fisk > Organic Farming Specialist > Michigan State University > fiskjohn@pilot.msu.edu > -- Leslie Pelch Vermont Center for Geographic Information 206 Morrill Hall, UVM Burlington, VT 05405-0106 (802) 656-4277 http://geo-vt.uvm.edu/vsdp/vsdp.htm From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 12:09:50 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27171; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10416; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id KAA23888 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id KAA23884 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp26.1stnet.com [206.104.46.26]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12781 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3431096B.6D28@1stnet.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:15:08 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re:Efficacy of hot water on weeds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 I do NOT use hot water directly on weeds, although I see no reason why it would not work. I use boiling hot water mixed with Tabasco or other hot pepper sauces on fire ant mounds. The ants have not returned to my property for 7 years. The only drawback is that boiling hot water sterilizes the soil and kills the vegetation in that particular area. Still, I would rather have sterilized soil than poisoned soil, groundwater, and a poisoned environmment. Susan Snow From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 13:14:52 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01667; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26835; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id MAA29497 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amauta.rcp.net.pe (amauta.rcp.net.pe [161.132.5.5]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id MAA29494 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200.1.183.227(src addr [200.1.183.227]) (1003 bytes) by amauta.rcp.net.pe via sendmail with P\:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:15:25 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.96 1997-Jun-2 #7 built 1997-Aug-15) Message-ID: <34310996.34F4@amauta.rcp.net.pe> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:18:08 -0500 From: Sharon Stevenson Reply-To: ssteve@amauta.rcp.net.pe X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Walking Tractor -online? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 Re Walking Tractor Workshop, will any of the information then be put online somewhere? Is there any information online already available (and I guess I'm being lazy...promise to hit Altavista soon!) -- Sharon Stevenson Mail U.S.: 1680 Monterey Rd. 10-L Tel/fax (51-1) 444-4749 Seal Beach, CA 90740 Lima, Peru (562) 598-0460 ---------------------- Our best hope for civility? The Golden Rule: Treat others as you wish to be treated--for the good of us all! :-) From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 13:24:26 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01845; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29058; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id LAA27388 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id LAA27385 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [132.198.176.181] (132.198.176.181) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.4566A520@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:30:36 -0400 X-Sender: bholtzma@pop.uvm.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:53:42 -0500 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Beth Holtzman Subject: News Release: Grant $$ Available Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 September 30, 1997 EDITORS: Please distribute this news release via on-line and print newsletters, news discussion groups, etc. If you have any questions, please contact me at 802-656-0554 or bholtzma@zoo.uvm.edu Thank you, Beth Holtzman N E W S R E L E A S E Date: September 30, 1997 Contact: Beth Holtzman For Release: Immediately 802-656-0554 New "SEED" Grants Available to Northeast Producers Burlington, VT - The Northeast Region Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) Program seeks producers to farm-test alternative practices developed through recent research projects. Through its new Special Evaluation, Education and Demonstration (SEED) farmer grant initiative, SARE will provide grants to producers willing to try out selected practices. SARE-supported research has shown that these practices improve farm profitability, reduce pesticide use, protecte soil, and/or enhance farm family quality of life. "We want to provide support for farmers to implement a practice, find out how it works under their particular conditions, and share that information with other producers," Northeast Region SARE Coordinator Fred Magdoff says. "Because of differences in soils, climate and the availability of labor and machinery on individual farms, not every practice or system will necessarily work well on every farm," Magdoff explains. The SEED initiative is part of the Northeast SARE's continuing, six-year-old Farmer/Grower Grant Program. Through the Farmer/ Grower Grant Program, SARE helps producers conduct farm-based experiments to answer their own production and marketing questions. "There are now two ways to participate in the SARE Farmer Grant program," says Magdoff. "One is to use practices developed through previous, SARE-sponsored research - these are the new SEED grants. The other is to come up with your own idea." Farmer/Grower Grant proposals may address any food, non-food or forest crop production or marketing issue. Project activities may include small research trials, educational activities and demonstrations. The goal is to develop systems and practices that promote stewardship of natural resources, prevent agricultural pollution and improve farm profitability. SARE will award up to $150,000 through the Northeast producer grant programs. Grants will be awarded on a competitive basis to farmers in the 12-state region. The Northeast region includes: Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia and Washington D.C. To obtain a grant application, write the SARE Program at 10 Hills Building, University of Vermont, Burlington Vermont, 05405-0082, call 802-656-0471 or print it or download it from our website at http://www.uvm.edu/~nesare/FARMCFP.html. ************************************* Beth Holtzman Communications Specialist Northeast Region Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) Program Hills Building -- Carrigan Drive University of Vermont Burlington, VT 05405-0082 Phone: 802-656-0554 Fax: 802-656-4656 ************************************** ************************************* Beth Holtzman Communications Specialist Northeast Region Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) Program Hills Building -- Carrigan Drive University of Vermont Burlington, VT 05405-0082 Phone: 802-656-0554 Fax: 802-656-4656 ************************************** From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 14:21:19 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02844; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13590; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id NAA01662 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliff.nal.usda.gov (cliff.nal.usda.gov [192.54.138.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id NAA01659 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cliff.nal.usda.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01890; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andy Clark, SAN Coordinator" X-Sender: san@cliff To: sanet-mg cc: Wallace Institute Subject: Alternative Agriculture News, 10/97 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 Alternative Agriculture News October, 1997 Henry A. Wallace Institute for Alternative Agriculture 9200 Edmonston Road, #117 Greenbelt, MD 20770 (301) 441-8777 E-mail: hawiaa@access.digex.net World Wide Web: http://www.hawiaa.org * * * If You Are Interested in Sustainable Agriculture... In addition to this monthly newsletter, the Henry A. Wallace Institute for Alternative Agriculture publishes the American Journal of Alternative Agriculture, a quarterly, peer-reviewed journal of research on alternative agriculture. It is a scientific forum for disseminating technical, economic, and social research findings about the character and requirements of alternative agriculture systems. A comparison of organic versus conventional grain production in the Mid-Atlantic region, with an economic and farming system overview, highlights the most recent issue (Volume 12, No. 1) of AJAA. Other articles examine a laboratory experiment involving nutrient release from decomposing crop residues; farm structure, market structure and agricultural sustainability goals in New York state dairying; farmers' commitment to continued use of the late spring soil nitrogen test; local food systems and sustainable communities; and community-controlled economic development as a strategic vision for the sustainable agriculture movement. Subscriptions to AJAA are $44 for libraries, $24 for individuals, and $12 for students; contact the Wallace Institute, 9200 Edmonston Road, #117, Greenbelt, MD 20770; (301) 441-8777. Table of Contents: U.S. Geological Survey Finds Widespread Pesticides in Water 1 Chemicals Possible Cause of Rise in Children's Cancer 2 Wallace Board Approves New Journal Editor 3 President's Council Members Named 3 Positions 3 Final Conference Maintains Funding for Sustainable Ag 4 USDA Creates New Office of Pest Management 4 Farmers Take the Lead in Protecting Ohio Watershed 4 Nominations Sought for Steward of Land Award 5 Resources 5 Upcoming Events 6 U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY FINDS WIDESPREAD PESTICIDES IN WATER The first cycle of the U.S. Geological Survey's National Water Quality Assessment has found widespread pesticides in streams and groundwater, with most of the 84 pesticide compounds investigated detected in those waters at least once, according to a preliminary summary of the assessment's first results. The assessment was conducted on 5,000 samples of groundwater and surface water in 20 major hydrologic basins from 1991 to 1995, predominantly in agricultural and urban settings. The data collected are the most extensive ever compiled for such a wide range of pesticides and locations. The 84 pesticides investigated account for approximately 75% of the agricultural uses and a substantial portion of urban and suburban uses in the United States. The assessment found pesticides more often in streams than in groundwater, with most streams containing low-level mixtures of pesticides during much of the year. Other findings include: -- At least one pesticide was found in every stream and in half the wells sampled. There was an average of seven to eight pesticides in each stream sample. -- The same herbicides were most commonly found in streams and groundwater: atrazine and metolachlor, used primarily on corn and soybeans; prometon, used primarily in urban and suburban settings; and simazine, used in both agricultural and non- agricultural settings. -- Insecticides were not found often in groundwater, but those most frequently detected in streams were diazinon, chlopyrifos, and carbaryl, all of which have substantial urban and suburban use. -- In most agricultural areas, the highest levels of pesticides, often above drinking water standards, occur as seasonal pulses lasting from a few days to several months. The final assessment and other publications related to the assessment are expected to be available by the end of this year. For more information, contact Tim Miller, Chief of the National Water Quality Assessment, at (703) 648-5716. CHEMICALS POSSIBLE CAUSE OF RISE IN CHILDREN'S CANCER The rate of cancer among American children has been rising almost one percent a year for decades, with many experts suspecting "the increase may be partly the result of growing exposure to new chemicals in the environment," according to The New York Times (September 29, 1997). "Although the causes are not known and are probably many, some experts say, toxins in the air, food, dust, soil and drinking water are prime suspects." According to Dr. Philip Landrigan, senior adviser to the EPA's office of children's health, "the strong probability exists that environmental factors are playing a role." In their research, experts will probably examine "the estimated 75,000 new synthetic chemicals introduced in the last half century, the emissions from cars, the pesticides in foods and in neighborhoods -- the whole collection of chemicals out there, mostly untested for toxicity to humans." If there is a link between childhood cancer and chemicals, the results could be an expansion of federally supported research and eventually, tighter controls on pesticides, toxic wastes, and other chemicals, according to the article. "I'm talking about new research on air pollutants, water pollutants and pesticides, and their effects on children," said EPA Administrator Carol Browner. She also promised to pursue better interdisciplinary and collaborative studies of suspected environmental causes and mechanisms of childhood cancer. WALLACE BOARD APPROVES NEW JOURNAL EDITOR AT MID-YEAR MEETING The Wallace Institute's Board of Directors, at its mid-year meeting in Salinas, California, on September 5-6, approved the appointment of Dr. Robert I. Papendick to be the new Editor of American Journal of Alternative Agriculture, the Institute's quarterly, peer-reviewed journal of research on alternative agriculture. Dr. Papendick, currently Professor Emeritus in the Department of Crop and Soil Science at Washington State University, had previously been a research soil scientist with the USDA's Agricultural Research Service for almost 30 years. Dr. Papendick, who assumes the editorship in January, 1998, succeeds Dr. Willie Lockeretz, Research Professor at Tufts University, who has edited AJAA since its inception in 1986. After a reception on September 5 at the Emma Prusch Farm Park in San Jose, the Board of Directors met on September 6 at the Rural Development Center, directed by Jose Montenegro, a member of the Wallace Board. The Center, a project of the Association for Community Based Education, runs a Small Farm Education Program, a community-based agricultural education program designed to meet the needs and aspirations of low-income people seeking greater self-reliance. After its meeting, the Board toured the Center and sustainable agriculture activities nearby, including the Elkhorn Slough Watershed Project, which seeks to reduce soil erosion and improve water quality in the strawberry fields of the watershed. The Board also toured the organic family farm of Phil Foster in Hollister. WALLACE INSTITUTE NAMES MEMBERS OF PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL Dr. Frederick L. Kirschenmann, President of the Wallace Institute, has announced the members of the 1997-1998 President's Council, formed seven years ago to provide guidance and support for Wallace Institute activities in promoting a more sustainable agricultural system in the United States and abroad. Members are: Dr. Charles Benbrook, Benbrook Consulting Services; Norman A. Berg, Washington Representative, Soil and Water Conservation Society; Hon. George E. Brown, Jr., U.S. House of Representatives; Robert Gray, Resource Management Consultants; Ralph Grossi, President, American Farmland Trust; Dr. R. Jim Hildreth, Elmhurst, IL; Ms. Dana Jackson, Land Stewardship Project; Dr. Dennis R. Keeney, Director, Leopold Center; Hon. Patrick J. Leahy, U.S. Senate; Dr. Ned S. Raun, Stillwater, OK; Ronald L. Rosmann, farmer, Harlan, IA; R. Neil Sampson, Executive Vice President, American Forestry Association; Edward Sills, Pleasant Grove Farms, Pleasant Grove, CA; Dr. David G. Topel, Dean, College of Agriculture and Director of Experiment Station, Iowa State University; and Dr. Stephen Viederman, President, Jessie Smith Noyes Foundation. POSITIONS National Center for Appropriate Technology seeks an Associate Director; applications are available from Jeanne Weiss, NCAT Personnel Office, P.O. Box 3838, Butte, MT 59702; (406) 494- 4572; e-mail jweiss@ncat.org. Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development will award fellowships in 1998 to scientists willing to research "Safe Exploitation of Micro-Organisms in Plant/Soil Systems;" applications are due November 21; contact Prof. J.M. Lynch, School of Biological Sciences, University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey GU2 5XH, United Kingdom; phone (44) 1-483-259-721; e-mail J.Lynch@Surrey.ac.uk. FINAL CONFERENCE MAINTAINS FUNDING FOR SUSTAINABLE AG PROGRAMS The House-Senate Agriculture Appropriations conference committee last month approved final appropriations for Fiscal Year 1998 that maintain funding levels for most sustainable agriculture programs. Funding levels approved for discretionary programs included: SARE: $8 million was approved for the Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education program, the same as last year. SAPDP: $3.3 million was approved for the SARE (Chapter 3) Professional Development Program, the same as last year. ATTRA: $1.3 million was approved for Appropriate Technology Transfer for Rural Areas, the same as last year. OFPA: $500,000 was approved for the Organic Foods Production Act, the same as last year. Funding for mandatory programs was unchanged from the requested amounts: CFO: $15 million was approved for the new Conservation Farm Option. EQIP: $200 million was approved for the Environmental Quality Incentives Program, the same as last year. WRP: $164 million was approved for the Wetlands Reserve Program, an increase from last year's appropriation of $119 million. CFSA: $2.5 million was approved for the Community Food Security Act, the same as last year. FRA: $100 million was approved for the Fund for Rural America, the same as last year. USDA CREATES NEW OFFICE OF PEST MANAGEMENT The USDA last month announced the creation of an Office of Pest Management that will serve as the agency's focal point for pesticide regulatory issues, and part of a new approach to minor use pesticides for the USDA and the EPA. The new office is charged with integrating and coordinating pesticide issues within the USDA, along with improving communications with and strengthening the existing network of grower organizations and crop specialists at land grant institutions. The agency can now be more responsive to the agricultural community in developing alternative pest management practices to meet critical needs that develop as a result of the regulatory process, according to Deputy Agriculture Secretary Richard Rominger. FARMERS TAKE THE LEAD IN PROTECTING OHIO WATERSHED Farmers are taking the lead in the Big Walnut Water Quality Partnership, a project designed to protect the natural resources of an important watershed in central Ohio. The initiators and decision-makers of the partnership are farmers and other land owners from the Big Walnut Creek watershed who serve on the board of trustees. "This is the first time that I know of that farmers have been in on a watershed project from the very beginning instead of being told what to do," said Bob Weiler, a farmer from the area. Farmers in the project are committed to soil- conserving farming techniques, other best management practices, and responsible use of pesticides to ensure water quality. Support for the project comes from local, state, and federal agencies, including the USDA's Natural Resources Conservation Service. NOMINATIONS SOUGHT FOR STEWARD OF THE LAND AWARD American Farmland Trust seeks nominations for its second annual Steward of the Land Award, which recognizes efforts by an individual farmer or farm family in land stewardship, agricultural conservation policy, or the use of environmentally and economically sustainable farming practices. Nominations for the $10,000 award must be received by AFT by December 1. For a brochure and nomination form, contact Shannon Weller, AFT, 1920 N St., NW, #400, Washington, D.C. 20036; (202) 659-5170, ext. 3034. RESOURCES "Sustainable Agriculture in Print: Current Books" is available from Alternative Farming Systems Information Center, National Agricultural Library, 10301 Baltimore Blvd., Beltsville, MD 20705; (301) 504-6559; e-mail afsic@nal.usda.gov. "Free-Range Poultry Production and Marketing" is $39.50 plus $4.50 shipping from Back Forty Books, Dept. A, 26328 Locust Grove Road, Creola, OH 45622; (614) 596-4379. UPCOMING EVENTS October 28-31, "Regenerative Agriculture for the 21st Century" will be held at the Rodale Institute, 611 Siegfriedale Road, Kutztown, PA 19530; contact Jane Fisher at (610) 683-1428; e-mail jfishe@rodaleinst.org. November 1, 2nd Annual Membership Meeting of the Wisconsin Rural Development Center will be held in Verona, WI; contact WRDC, (608) 437-5971. November 1-3, "Teaching Sustainable Agriculture to Students, Apprentices and Farm Workers" will be held at NewFarms, NC 69 Box 62, Rociada, N.M. 87742; (505) 425-5457. November 2-4, "Food Safety, Sufficiency, and Security" will be held in Chicago, IL; contact Council for Agricultural Science and Technology, 4420 West Lincoln Way, Ames, IA 50014; (515) 292- 2125; e-mail cast@cast-science.org; World Wide Web, http://www.netins.net/showcase/cast/ November 3 is the application deadline for the Center for Agroecology and University of California Extension's course, Apprenticeship in Ecological Horticulture, in 1998; contact Farm and Garden Apprenticeship, UCSC, 1156 High St., Santa Cruz, CA 95064; (408) 459-4140. November 3-4, 9th Annual Symposium and Banquet of the Wildlife Habitat Council will be held in Bethesda, MD; contact WHC, 1010 Wayne Ave., #920; Silver Spring, MD 20910; (301) 588- 8994. November 3-5, Research Conference on Methyl Bromide Alternatives will be held in San Diego, CA; contact Methyl Bromide Alternatives Outreach, (209) 244-4710. November 5-7, Agriculture and Natural Resources Products Tourism Conference will be held in Benton Harbor, MI; contact Bob Neumann, Michigan State University Extension, (517) 432-1555. November 7-8, 5th Small Farm Trade Show and Conference will be held in Columbia, MO; contact Small Farm Today, 1-800-633- 2535. November 7-9, "Mediator Between Heaven & Earth: Towards a New Consciousness of Water" will be held in Pasadena, CA; contact Faith Perry, Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association, (909) 625-6720. November 7-9, "California Gold Rush Tour" will be held in Sacramento and several other cities; contact Pacific Northwest Farm Direct Marketing Association, P.O. Box 4612, Pasco, WA 99302; (509) 547-5538. November 14-15, "Preserving Crop Biodiversity and Saving Seeds in the Northeast" will be held in State College, PA; contact Carolyn Sachs, Penn State University, (814) 863-8641. November 14-16, "Local Food, Local Farms, Local Futures," the 12th Annual Sustainable Agriculture Conference, will be held in Flat Rock, N.C.; contact Carolina Farm Stewardship Association, P.O. Box 448, Pittsboro, N.C. 27312; (919) 542-2402; e-mail cfsa@sunsite.unc.edu. November 14-16, "Growing Together: Exploring a New Vision of Agriculture and Community" will be held in Mt. Vernon, WA; contact Washington Tilth Producers, 1-800-731-1143. November 16-19, 6th International Conference of the Greening of Industry Network will be held in Santa Barbara, CA; contact Monica Dunne, School of Environmental Science and Management, 4670 Physical Sciences North, University of California, Santa Barbara, CA 93106; (805) 893-7979. November 17-19, "New Opportunities in Composting and Organics Recycling" will be held in Dallas/Forth Worth, TX; contact BioCycle, 1-800-661-4905. November 21-23, Advanced Organic Vegetable Farming Workshop will be held in Hudson Valley, N.Y.; contact Regional Farm & Food Project, 27 Elm St., Albany, N.Y. 12202; (518) 426-9331. From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 15:04:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03681; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25706; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id LAA25623 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id LAA25620 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s03.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.163]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00101; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970930080253.007a4870@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:02:53 -0700 To: sanet-mg From: sal Cc: smallfarm-outgoing@maat.reeusda.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 Center for Urban Agriculture Sept. 16 1997 Dear Santa Barbara Organic Farmer, Recent proposals by both the State and Federal governments are threatening to require that we spend more and more time filling out forms,paying fees,and handling the requirements of an ever growing bureaucracy established to regulate "Organic". there is something wrong when those who are trying to straighten out agriculture are being taxed and burdened with inspections and paperwork while those who continue to pollute and deplete are subsidized and allowed to continue, Many of those who supported the move to have the state and federal governments police our movement and those who sought approval from Uncle Sam have quickly realized that they made the proverbial deal with the devil. Unfortunately it is too late to stop the weels of bureaucracy, we will need to gather together (in the way that this movement was originally built) and ask ourselves some difficult questions. The undersigned invite you to a meeting at 7:00 pm Monday October 6, in the Music Room of the Montessori school located at 401N. fairview ave. (across the street from the Goleta Public Library and Fairview Gardens). Please park in the back parking lot, walk through the gate in the middle of the fence. there is a map on the gate showing the location of the Music Room. Please come join us to both educate ourselves on how the new legislation will effect us and to seek ways that we can help each other through the mire this will create., ------Hey Hey whats that sound every one look whats going down!--------- I grow organic and am certified by CCOF and also have to pay the state of >>>Ca. to sell organic soon the feds will also tax us to sell organic and >>this is way too much regulation. >Do you think organic certification should be eliminated completely? Obviously I can't speak for Sal, but he is one of the people who pays my salary in working for the organization that certifies him. Our members believe in certification, otherwise they wouldn't join. And most are painfully aware of the fraud of which you speak. Our members overwhelmingly supported the state and federal law under the assumption that fraud would be sharply reduced, benefitting both consumers and legitimate organic producers. However, at this point certification in California and most of the rest of the country is optional for those who label their product as organic. Registration fees did not go to enforcement the first year or two ('91-'92) and were instead commingled with the general fund in the state at the time of fiscal gridlock. This led to growing discontent among our members toward the law. While the funds were restored to the program, and things improved, many of our members are still disappointed with what they are getting for the hundreds of thousands of dollars they contribute to the California registration program on top of what we charge them to be certified. Even when certification becomes mandatory for producers who sell more than $5,000 worth of product, people will still have the choice of whether to label their product as organic or not. However, the prospect of the Federal government collecting user fees from growers, and from certifiers who will have no choice but to pass those fees on to the growers, The question then becomes who should bear the cost, and are organic farmers paying their fair share or more than their fair share for doing what they believe is the right thing. >Who should pay for this? Here's an idea. How about a tax on pesticides? Unfair, you say? Robbing Peter to pay Paul? Not if you consider .... and hold on to your chair 'cause i'll say it only once .... that organic farmers use pesticides. That's right. Only a small handful of the vast array of pesticides that are out there, and really never as the only means of crop protection. Most of them are relatively innocuous, like soap, Bt, garlic. Yet in California, the mil tax on a pound of any of those products is the same as the tax on, say, aldicarb, methyl bromide or parathion. Even in simplistic terms, why should farmers pay the same tax on Category III pesticide (the least acutely toxic) as they do on those in Category I (the most toxic)? If a given pesticide causes relatively few injuries, is not persistant on food or in the environment, and causes relatively little collateral damage, pound for pound, where is the justice in taxing that the same as a product that contaminates groundwater, depletes ozone or inhibits cholinesterase in nearby schoolchildren? Our members wanted to see the mil tax applied to funding the enforcement of the organic act, but the legislature received enormous pressure from the agrichemical complex to lower the mil tax during the last legislative session. We were one of the few voices among agricultural producers who favored maintaining the mil tax and fought the efforts to cut it about 25%. >But do you think consumers would want to pay the same >price for your goods if they weren't certified organic? >After all, isn't that what being >organic is really all about? People who truly care about the environment are >willing to make sacrifices. That's why many consumers of organic products are >willing to pay a higher price for those goods. When people buy food produced by methods t