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From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 01:29:29 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22090; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22007; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id XAA00088 for sanet-real; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from luna.oit.unc.edu (luna.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.4]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id XAA00085 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titan.oit.unc.edu (titan.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.14]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21202 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (london@localhost) by titan.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA14895 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:37:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: titan.oit.unc.edu: london owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." X-Sender: london@titan.oit.unc.edu To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: ORGANIC FARMING IS GREEN PEACE WITH NATURE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 GP Press release 24.09.97 >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) >From: Purefood@aol.com >Sender: owner-biotech-wg@igc.apc.org >Subject: Fwd: GP Press release 24.09.97 >To: biotech-wg@igc.apc.org >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: Barbara.Kuepper@greenpeace.de >To: gentech@tribe.ping.de >Date: 97-09-26 02:16:50 EDT >ORGANIC FARMING IS GREEN PEACE WITH NATURE >Greenpeace head congratulates IFOAM, calls for co-operation against >chemical and biological pollution >OXFORD 24th September. 1997 -- Presenting Greenpeace's cordial >congratulations on the 25th anniversary of the International >Federation of Organic Agriculture Movemements (IFOAM) Dr. Thilo Bode, >executive Director of Greenpeace International, called organic farming >one of the world's most sophisticated and serious visions of >sustainability. >"Everybody talks about the fact that food production has to >dramatically reduce energy consumption, toxic output and destructive >methods that ruin soil and water resources and threaten the worlds >biodiversity," Bode told representatives of the Organic Movement at >their Conference in Oxford today, "But you just do it. And that is the >style we like!" >By practically proving that green peace with nature was actually >possible, the organic movement was the most important beachhead to >sustainable agriculture of the 21st century. Referring to a joint >petition on a class of genetically modified plants (containing genes >of Bacillus Thuringiensis), which Greenpeace and IFOAM filed against >the US Environmental Protection Agency last week, Bode warned the >delegates: "Genetic engineering will not solve the massive problems >the chemical industry has created, but rather add a new, fundamental >environmental threat: from chemical to biological pollution." >Bode urged IFOAM to firmly stick to its present standards, which >generally prohibit the use of genetically modified organisms. Bode >congratulated IFOAM on the exponential growth of organic farming over >the past few years not only in industrialised countries but also in >the South, as well as their expansion to new sectors such as textiles, >wood and fisheries. >"Your success will not be left unchallenged, because every hectare >that is converted to organic methods is a loss to the new powerful >agro-chemical transnational companies, who now call themselves Life >Science Industry," Bode warned, and suggested that co-operation >between environmental groups and the organic community had to >intensify and expand in the future. >As the most important restriction to further growth of the organic >sector and important field of co-operation Bode identified the present >global terms of trade and a price system that did not properly reflect >the costs of environmental destruction: "We need realistic prices for >energy and global warming contribution, for toxic pollution and for >the devaluating destruction of soil, water-resources and >biodiversity." >While the industrial vision on future agriculture continued, causing >destructive overproduction at the expense of the environment but also >at the expense of rural employment and livelihoods, organic farming >offered hope for social sustainability: "Organic farming is probably >one of the most promising global job creators", he said. >In a world where still 800 millions are hungry while more food is >produced and wasted than they can eat, the measure of efficiency is >not how to further increase productivity at all costs, but how to >provide access to food there is. The question is not "How can we feed >the world," but "How can the people of the world feed themselves." >"Environmentalists have to make it clear," Bode concluded, "that >sustainable agriculture is not just an interesting alternative or >niche market but an ecological imperative." > ends >For further information contact Benedikt Haerlin, Greenpeace >International Genetic Engineering coordinator +49 40 30618-410, fax >-140 > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >The address for any administrative command like unsubscribe, >subscribe or help is: > > GENTECH-REQUEST@ping.de From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 01:31:37 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22111; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22327; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id AAA01409 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpmt2.cyberport.net (root@ns2.cyberport.net [208.136.100.4]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id AAA01406 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.cyberport.net (cyb-pm3-023.cyberport.net [208.136.100.152]) by cpmt2.cyberport.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA21885 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:26:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199709270426.WAA21885@cpmt2.cyberport.net> Reply-To: From: "Joe Brenneman" To: Subject: Organic Dairy Farmers Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:32:41 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 I'm interested in corresponding with some organic dairy farmers, particularly anyone not located next to a large population center and involved in processing and marketing their products as well as producing organic milk. Thanks, Joe Brenneman Two Dog Dairy 800 Steel Bridge Road Kalispell, Montana 59901 From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 05:20:43 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA26112; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA07478; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id EAA07218 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [198.53.172.12]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id EAA07215 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from i1-151.islandnet.com [198.53.172.151] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0xEsDT-0006dIC for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:26:15 -0800 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu From: dragon@mail.islandnet.com (lischeron) Subject: unsubscribe Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 unsubscribe From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 07:31:36 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27796; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA23281; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id GAA09789 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.137]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id GAA09786 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (jennsueb@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA14985; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jennsueb@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA01080; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: jennsueb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: jennifer sue butler To: D J Dietz cc: "Margaret T. Baldor" , sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Organic Labeling and Certification - Looking for Resources In-Reply-To: <342AEBA2.191@globaldialog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 This is the info for the SMALLFARM-MG listserve: To Subscribe Send a message to -- majordomo@reeusda.gov In the body, type -- subscribe smallfarm-mg To Unsubscribe Send a message to -- majordomo@reeusda.gov In the body, type -- unsubscribe smallfarm-mg [Already at end of message] Good Luck with your search. Jenn Butler U of MD, Grad Student, Soil Fertility On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, D J Dietz wrote: > Margaret T. Baldor wrote: > > > > Hello - I'm interested in doing a term project for a grad. Agricultural > > Policy class on organic labeling and certification. I'm looking for really > > good resources -- knowledgable individuals, groups, organizations, > > government that I can contact. Any/all help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Meg. > > > > Meg Baldor > > 213 Carrigan Hall > > University of Vermont > > Burlington, VT 05405 > > (802) 656-0135 > > mbaldor@zoo.uvm.edu > > Meg, > > Try the SMALLFARM-MG list. They have been having quite the talk about > this lately. > > I looked for the subscription info but couldnt find it. Anyone on sanet > have that info? > > Dan Dietz > Reedsburg Wisconsin > > From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 08:34:20 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28053; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01036; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id GAA09979 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.137]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id GAA09976 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (jennsueb@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA15028; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jennsueb@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA01171; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: jennsueb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: jennifer sue butler To: "Sarah W. Obraitis" cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: human waste composting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 Sarah, Send your request to WASTENOT@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU. The group has a listserve about composting. Jenn Butler U of MD, Grad Student, Soil Fertility On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Sarah W. Obraitis wrote: > > hello saneters, > > i am doing a research project on the possibility of the establishment of a > human waste composting station in montpelier, vermont and its effects on > the environment and especially those onto farmers. the community is up > in arms. if anyone is involved in such a thing, or is knowledgeable on the > subect, references, comments and opinions would be greatly appreciated. > > thanks, sarah > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<><><><><><><><><><><> > Sarah W. Obraitis > sobraiti@zoo.uvm.edu > CDAE-Agricultural Economics and International Development > > > From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 14:27:08 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07235; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09632; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id MAA18574 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id MAA18571 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fpfzqlga (user-38lcac5.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.41.133]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09352; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342D3884.4A34@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:47:00 -0400 From: "Clarence W. Walker" Reply-To: atlintlcom@mindspring.com Organization: Atlanta Int'l Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sheryl N. Swink" CC: sksnow@1stnet.com, sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu, compost.list@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Help! Model Ordinances, Direct Marketing Farmer Surv References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 Sheryl N. Swink wrote: > > Dear Susan, > You wrote: > >Are you aware of the kind of compost being peddled by Clarence W. Walker > >and others? Not all compost is alike! Certainly, what we make at home > >is probably the best, especially if we are not using sewage sludge or > >mixed municipal solid waste. > > > >However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more than > >clean, environmentally safe compost . . .. > [The rest of the posting with details follows at the end of my response] > > Oops! > Thank you, Susan, for contributing more details about Mr. Walker's > "composted organics." I certainly agree with you that this is not the kind > of product I would envision myself or others buying at a farmer's market, > at least not if we were fully informed of the nature of the product! I read > the following message from Cary Oshins of Rodale Institute: > > >Clarence walker wrote: > >>Maria, Would it be appropriate for producers of professionally and > >>safely made composts to take their composted organics to such markets as > >>a means of reaching the farmers and possibly even educating those who > >>are interested in the value of composting as an alternative to > >>landfills? > > >Clarence, while it would be acceptable to sell compost at a farmer's market, > >it would hardly be economical. > >Cary Oshins > >Rodale Institute > > I understood this to be referring to compost derived from such things as > yard and kitchen waste and possibly manures Compost is (was?) being made > from such material collected at the curbside in Seattle (not the manures). > I'll have to check and see if any undesireable materials have been added to > the composting program there since I last checked. I hope they have not > moved toward being so inclusive as Clarence Walker's friends. That > certainly is not what the customers I worked with were looking to buy! I > responded as I did because I felt that enterprising farmers and others who > were making whatI thought was the kind of compost you or I would be > interested in should be discouraged from investigating a marketing > possibility. > > Thank you again for your informative reply, > > Sheryl Swink > > >However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more than > >clean, environmentally safe compost. One peddler-activist claims: > >''...We develop systems and produce compost from sludge, septage, mixed > >MSW, restaurant and carwash trap waste, animal waste by-products, and > >yes even landfill leachate...creosote,and a wide range of PAH's, > >chlorinated and halogenated hydrocarbons including PCB's, dioxins, VOC's > >have all been in the mix.'' > > >I personally have no problem using animal manures to heat up the pile > >and add nutrients, but I have a big problem with compost on farms and > >gardens which have used sewage sludge, landfill leachate, mixed > >municipal solid waste, cartrap wastes, PAH's, chlorinated and > >halogenated hydrocarbons including PCB's, dioxins, VOC's. Furthermore, > >some creative persons are looking to compost radioactive wastes, pulp > >and paper mill waste, oil and gas wastes including normally occurring > >radioactive material. > > >There is no wonder why companies like Wheelabrator Environmental > >Services which was a major player in the incinerator industry, is now in > >the composting business. Where else to get rid of that ash without > >regulations on fertilizers, potting soil, and compost? > > >There is some good information on sewage sludge (a.k.a. biosolids) in > >chapter 8 of the book, Toxic Sludge is Good for You. Chapter 8 is > >entitled The Sludge Hits the Fan and is located at > >http://www.envirolink.org/issues/sludge/sludge.html > > >Since you are at Cornell, I suggest you also read The Cause for Concern > >at http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/ You will need the Adobe Reader to > >download it in it's PDF form. The report compares standards around the > >world and discusses the problems with the US EPA regulations which > >protect industry but not public health. > > >Another source of information regarding standards for sewage sludge and > >compost comes from the paper version of the newsletter, WASTENOT, edited > >by Paul and Ellen Connett of St. Lawrence University in Canton, New > >York. > > > WN #241 has a chart which was reprinted with permission from > >Composting Frontiers, Spring 1993, page 3. Editor Susan Mazzochi. Waste > >Not says this is an excellent quarterly newsletter that is directed to > >provide "direction on composting for waste management." For more > >information, contact Composting Frontiers, 19 Girard Place, Maplewood, > >New Jersey 07040-3107. Tel: 201-762-4912. Fax: 201-761-5415. > > >I do not have the software to make a chart, therefore cannot give all > >that data that was in #241 in this email. However, for comparison, > >I'd like to share some of the standards for toxic heavy metals allowed > >in both compost and sewage sludge in the United States and in other > >progressive countries. > > >The federal [U.S.] government standards for Clean Water Act section 503 > >'High Quality' Sludges/Sludge Composts (also known as biosolids) in > >mg/kg weight follows; the second number is the CWA 503 Ceiling > >Concentrations: > > > >cadmium 39 - 85 > >chromium 1200 - 3000 > >cobalt --- > >copper 1500 - 4300 > >lead 300 - 800 > >mercury 17 - 57 > >molybdenum 18 - 75 > >nickel 420 > >selenium 36 - 100 > >zinc 2800 -7500 > > >To compare > >The Dutch Compost Sludge Quality Standards for Very Clean > >Compost/Sludge: > > >arsenic cadmium chromium copper lead mercury nickel zinc > > 5/15 0.7/1.25 50/350 25/75 65/100 0.2/0.75 10/30 75/300 > > >The German Compost/Sludge Quality Standards: > > >none for arsenic > >cadmium 1.5/1-1.5 > >chromium 100/10 > >copper 100/6 > >lead 150/100 > >mercury 1.0/1.0 > >nickel 50/5 > >zinc 400/150-200 > > > >Canadian Compost Quality Standards > > Ontario British Columbia National Guideline > >arsenic 10 13 13 > >cadmium 3 2.6 2.6 > >chromium 50. 210. 210. > >cobalt 25. -- 26. > >copper 60. 100. 128. > >lead 150 150. 83. > >mercury 0.15 .8 0.83 > >molybdenum 2 -- 7 > >nickel 60. 50. 32. > >selenium 2 -- 2.6 > >zinc 500. 500. 315 > > >When you look at the numbers, do you wonder why our health in the United > >States is worth less than the health or life in the Netherlands, Germany > >and Canada. Will our children be able to compete in a world where the > >United States allows higher levels of toxic metals, especially lead in > >high quality sludges and composted sewage sludge? > > >BTW, when I posted these numbers to Mr. Walker's online discussion list, > >he had me delisted and banished. Contrary to what Clarence W. Walker > >states, he does not want to hear from those who oppose him or the > >environmental community. Can we really afford to continue poisoning our > >soils and life on earth, including our children, in order that > >industries can make money by composting industrial wastes? > > > > > > > >Susan Snow The above constitutes specifically legally actionable slander, libel, direct and specific lies, and gross distortion of anything remotely resembling facts. I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has ever once reviewed a test result of my compost...ever! I defy Ms. Snow to show that she has even once reviewed my standard...ever! I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has even once reviewed the contents of my compost...ever! I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has ever reviewed any product that I have produced...ever! I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has even once looked at, tested, or touched a single product that I have distributed...ever! Ms Snow, as the owner of the WASTENOT list I am reluctantly forced by your lack of professionalism to disclose that you were removed from the wastenot list specifically because of your activities such as the above.Whereas others in the environmental recycling community are actively interested in and supportive of raising the arts and sciences of composting and working together for the good of all you seem to be obsessed with negativity and obfuscation. Is this really reflective of the good work of the many of us in the environmental, recycling, composting, agricultural community who are trying to work along posive lines? I think not! Please try to stick to the truth...even if the truth doesn't always seem to serve your seemingly nefarious ends. -- Atlanta International Communications,Inc./Sales Reps. & Consulting Svcs. See our web site! Updated 07-14-97 http://www.mindspring.com/~atlintlcom Indust., Commercial, Muni., and Agri. Waste Processing Systems & Eqpt. 7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 phone 770-392-1313 fax 770 392-0078 email: atlintlcom@mindspring.com New equipment lines, systems, and project inquiries always considered. From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 20:19:56 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03227; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23403; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id SAA28703 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id SAA28700 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp16.1stnet.com [206.104.46.16]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA32005; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: <342D8D43.4CD1@1stnet.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:48:35 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sheryl N. Swink" CC: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu, compost.list@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Help! Model Ordinances, Direct Marketing Farmer Surv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 Dear Sheryl, With regards to my post to you, Mr. Walker wrote: > The above constitutes specifically legally actionable slander, libel, > direct and specific lies, and gross distortion of anything remotely > resembling facts. Let's see...I wrote to you that: > Are you aware of the kind of compost being peddled by Clarence W. Walker and others? > Not all compost is alike! Certainly, what we make at home is probably the best, especially if we are not > using sewage sludge or mixed municipal solid waste. > > However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more > than clean, environmentally safe compost. One peddler-activist > claims: > ''...We develop systems and produce compost from sludge, septage, > > mixed MSW, restaurant and carwash trap waste, animal waste > > by-products, and yes even landfill leachate...creosote,and a wide > > range of PAH's, chlorinated and halogenated hydrocarbons including > > PCB's, dioxins, VOC's have all been in the mix...'' [snip] > Furthermore, some creative persons are looking to compost radioactive > wastes, pulp and paper mill waste, oil and gas wastes including > normally occurring radioactive material. [snip] Whom am I slandering, libeling, telling direct and specific lies, and 'gross distortion of anything remotely resembling facts'? I did not say who said what. I simply shared one statement which was made by one individual on Mr. Walker's list. I quoted whas he said without mentioning his name or company. Nor did I say that was in Mr. Walker's compost. I don't know what is in his compost. I have not ever once reviewed a test result of Mr. Walker's compost; reviewed his standard; reviewed the contents of his compost; reviewed any product that he has produced; even once looked at, tested, or touched a single product that he has distributed. Moreover, I did not recall having said that I did. I said: > There is some good information on sewage sludge (a.k.a. biosolids) in > chapter 8 of the book, Toxic Sludge is Good for You. Chapter 8 is > entitled The Sludge Hits the Fan and is located at > http://www.envirolink.org/issues/sludge/sludge.html I said: > > Since you are at Cornell, I suggest you also read The Cause for > > Concern at http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/ You will need the Adobe > > Reader to download it in it's PDF form. The report compares > > standards around the world and discusses the problems with the US > EPA regulations [snip] > that protect industry but not public health.' Does that constitute: ''..specifically legally actionable slander, libel, direct and specific lies, and gross distortion of anything remotely resembling facts''? Perhaps, I should have stated that '' the US EPA's regulations that protect industry but not public health'' was my opinion. After all, EPA's risk assessment only looks at some of the toxic metals. It does not look at PCBs, dioxins, and the other some 70,000 plus mostly unregulated chemicals. Nor does it look some of the chemicals linked to fish downstream from sewage treatment plants producing a protein that only female fish are said to produce. Scientists tell me said fish and other species are become intersexed, from some of the manmade chemicals released into the environment that may be coming from sewage treatment plants. Yet, these chemicals are unregulated; not considered in the risk assessment. Nor do the regulations look at the multiple effects that combinations of known and unknown chemicals may be causing; the effects to multiple generations. Absence of data is considered a null in risk assessment...I understand. Therefore, they are ignored. If they are ignored, how can EPA's regulations be protective of public health? Mr. Walker said that: > Ms Snow, as the owner of the WASTENOT list I am reluctantly forced by > your lack of professionalism to disclose that you were removed from > the wastenot list specifically because of your activities such as the > above.Whereas others in the environmental recycling community are > actively interested in and supportive of raising the arts and sciences > of composting and working together for the good of all you seem to be > obsessed with negativity and obfuscation. [snip] I know of two other persons that have been removed from Wastenot because their verbalized viewpoints conflicted with those being promoted. If this a lie, what is the truth? In fact, a secret admirer who generally does not post statements to the list is forwarding me the digests. Within the September 26, 1997 digest, I learned that one person said he was asked by Mr. Walker to: > find out the "environmental community's" opinion > about composted sludge. This is what I have found. > > The environmental community has been waiting > for Cornell Waste Management Institute to issue its > report on sludge land application. That report has > actually now been issued (actual publication date August, > 1997). The report, about 35 pages long is located at > http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/PDFS/PDFS.html > and it's recommendations are very similar to the > Dutch standards, with lower limits for a few metals. > > The principle used in the Cornell recommendations > was the prevention of accumulation, over long term, > beyond current background limits. > > The report is extremely critical of the EPA's > methodology for determining the Part 503 regs, > citing numerous studies. > > During the next few months, the environmental > community will be reviewing and studying the > Cornell report and the reports on which it is based, > and make decisions about when/where/how to > proceed. It is obvious that many current applications > and many processes are creating "fertilizers", composts, > and dry mixes that are far above even the Dutch > standards, and those will be undoubtedly challenged. > > There are upwards of 10,000 community environmental > organizations in the U.S. alone. During the last 10 years, they > have been primarily responsible (sometimes with the backing > of local and federal laws) for the closing of 90% of the landfills > in the U.S. and the virtual standstill of the incinerator industry. > > These organizations act completely independent of each > other, but look to advisory organizations for guidance. > The organizations look to Cornell Waste > Management Institute for reports on sludge, > composting, etc. > > So there is the answer, which is close to what I expected, > essentially the Dutch standards. [snip] Will this individual be eliminated from the list? After all, Mr. Walker told him: > I can't believe you would do this. Meanwhile I have heard nothing > from any of the groups you purport to represent or others of the > recycling/environmental industry or associations that you had > mentioned bringing for discussion. This posting is reflecting the same > party line and lack of consideration that has exhausted everyone's > patience. > Desist. [snip] So, you see that although, I don't know this person, there are others on the list that share my point of view. Does that mean that I have been lying? It appears to me that those who peddle the ideas of composting questionable materials do not want to hear from people concerned about the potential quality or health problems due to their products or about conflicting viewpoints. If I was banished from Mr. Walker's list for my unprofessionalism in sharing this quoted information with you, my banishment is the cart before the horse. For I had not shared information learned on the list with others on the outside previously; and certainly, I had not mentioned names of companies or their owners. I suggest that my banishment and delisting was because of my concerns and cited information. I support composting vegetable matter be it food wastes and/or yard, garden, agricultural (and other vegetative) wastes. I also support using animal manures to help heat up the process and hence kill weed seeds, and pathogens; as well as add nitrogen and other nutrients. I am opposed however, to composting other fractions of the waste stream such as sewage sludge (a.k.a biosolids), landfill leachate, cartrap wastes, etc. Unless I hear back from Mr. Walker again, I will not bother you with refuted statements. Susan Snow Is this really reflective of > the good work of the many of us in the environmental, recycling, > composting, agricultural community who are trying to work along posive > lines? I think not! Please try to stick to the truth...even if the > truth doesn't always seem to serve your seemingly nefarious ends. > -- From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 27 22:41:58 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04935; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21562; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id VAA03306 for sanet-real; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net (root@acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id VAA03302 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.254.241.5] (term1-9.vta.west.net [205.254.241.9]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA06805 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:13:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: colibri@mail.west.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <342D3884.4A34@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Beth von Gunten Subject: re gross distortion Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 Clarence W. Walker sent the following sequence: >Sheryl N. Swink wrote: >> >> Dear Susan, >> You wrote: >> >Are you aware of the kind of compost being peddled by Clarence W. Walker >> >and others? Not all compost is alike! Certainly, what we make at home >> >is probably the best, especially if we are not using sewage sludge or >> >mixed municipal solid waste. >> > >> >However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more than >> >clean, environmentally safe compost . . .. >> [The rest of the posting with details follows at the end of my response] >> >> Oops! >> Thank you, Susan, for contributing more details about Mr. Walker's >> "composted organics." I certainly agree with you that this is not the kind >> of product I would envision myself or others buying at a farmer's market, >> at least not if we were fully informed of the nature of the product! I read >> the following message from Cary Oshins of Rodale Institute: >> >> >Clarence walker wrote: >> >>Maria, Would it be appropriate for producers of professionally and >> >>safely made composts to take their composted organics to such markets as >> >>a means of reaching the farmers and possibly even educating those who >> >>are interested in the value of composting as an alternative to >> >>landfills? >> >> >Clarence, while it would be acceptable to sell compost at a farmer's market, >> >it would hardly be economical. >> >Cary Oshins >> >Rodale Institute >> >> I understood this to be referring to compost derived from such things as >> yard and kitchen waste and possibly manures Compost is (was?) being made >> from such material collected at the curbside in Seattle (not the manures). >> I'll have to check and see if any undesireable materials have been added to >> the composting program there since I last checked. I hope they have not >> moved toward being so inclusive as Clarence Walker's friends. That >> certainly is not what the customers I worked with were looking to buy! I >> responded as I did because I felt that enterprising farmers and others who >> were making whatI thought was the kind of compost you or I would be >> interested in should be discouraged from investigating a marketing >> possibility. >> >> Thank you again for your informative reply, >> >> Sheryl Swink >> >> >However, those on Clarence's list, Wastenot, are peddling far more than >> >clean, environmentally safe compost. One peddler-activist claims: >> >''...We develop systems and produce compost from sludge, septage, mixed >> >MSW, restaurant and carwash trap waste, animal waste by-products, and >> >yes even landfill leachate...creosote,and a wide range of PAH's, >> >chlorinated and halogenated hydrocarbons including PCB's, dioxins, VOC's >> >have all been in the mix.'' >> >> >I personally have no problem using animal manures to heat up the pile >> >and add nutrients, but I have a big problem with compost on farms and >> >gardens which have used sewage sludge, landfill leachate, mixed >> >municipal solid waste, cartrap wastes, PAH's, chlorinated and >> >halogenated hydrocarbons including PCB's, dioxins, VOC's. Furthermore, >> >some creative persons are looking to compost radioactive wastes, pulp >> >and paper mill waste, oil and gas wastes including normally occurring >> >radioactive material. >> >> >There is no wonder why companies like Wheelabrator Environmental >> >Services which was a major player in the incinerator industry, is now in >> >the composting business. Where else to get rid of that ash without >> >regulations on fertilizers, potting soil, and compost? >> >> >There is some good information on sewage sludge (a.k.a. biosolids) in >> >chapter 8 of the book, Toxic Sludge is Good for You. Chapter 8 is >> >entitled The Sludge Hits the Fan and is located at >> >http://www.envirolink.org/issues/sludge/sludge.html >> >> >Since you are at Cornell, I suggest you also read The Cause for Concern >> >at http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/ You will need the Adobe Reader to >> >download it in it's PDF form. The report compares standards around the >> >world and discusses the problems with the US EPA regulations which >> >protect industry but not public health. >> >> >Another source of information regarding standards for sewage sludge and >> >compost comes from the paper version of the newsletter, WASTENOT, edited >> >by Paul and Ellen Connett of St. Lawrence University in Canton, New >> >York. >> >> > WN #241 has a chart which was reprinted with permission from >> >Composting Frontiers, Spring 1993, page 3. Editor Susan Mazzochi. Waste >> >Not says this is an excellent quarterly newsletter that is directed to >> >provide "direction on composting for waste management." For more >> >information, contact Composting Frontiers, 19 Girard Place, Maplewood, >> >New Jersey 07040-3107. Tel: 201-762-4912. Fax: 201-761-5415. >> >> >I do not have the software to make a chart, therefore cannot give all >> >that data that was in #241 in this email. However, for comparison, >> >I'd like to share some of the standards for toxic heavy metals allowed >> >in both compost and sewage sludge in the United States and in other >> >progressive countries. >> >> >The federal [U.S.] government standards for Clean Water Act section 503 >> >'High Quality' Sludges/Sludge Composts (also known as biosolids) in >> >mg/kg weight follows; the second number is the CWA 503 Ceiling >> >Concentrations: >> > >> >cadmium 39 - 85 >> >chromium 1200 - 3000 >> >cobalt --- >> >copper 1500 - 4300 >> >lead 300 - 800 >> >mercury 17 - 57 >> >molybdenum 18 - 75 >> >nickel 420 >> >selenium 36 - 100 >> >zinc 2800 -7500 >> >> >To compare >> >The Dutch Compost Sludge Quality Standards for Very Clean >> >Compost/Sludge: >> >> >arsenic cadmium chromium copper lead mercury nickel zinc >> > 5/15 0.7/1.25 50/350 25/75 65/100 0.2/0.75 10/30 75/300 >> >> >The German Compost/Sludge Quality Standards: >> >> >none for arsenic >> >cadmium 1.5/1-1.5 >> >chromium 100/10 >> >copper 100/6 >> >lead 150/100 >> >mercury 1.0/1.0 >> >nickel 50/5 >> >zinc 400/150-200 >> > >> >Canadian Compost Quality Standards >> > Ontario British Columbia National Guideline >> >arsenic 10 13 13 >> >cadmium 3 2.6 2.6 >> >chromium 50. 210. 210. >> >cobalt 25. -- 26. >> >copper 60. 100. 128. >> >lead 150 150. 83. >> >mercury 0.15 .8 0.83 >> >molybdenum 2 -- 7 >> >nickel 60. 50. 32. >> >selenium 2 -- 2.6 >> >zinc 500. 500. 315 >> >> >When you look at the numbers, do you wonder why our health in the United >> >States is worth less than the health or life in the Netherlands, Germany >> >and Canada. Will our children be able to compete in a world where the >> >United States allows higher levels of toxic metals, especially lead in >> >high quality sludges and composted sewage sludge? >> >> >BTW, when I posted these numbers to Mr. Walker's online discussion list, >> >he had me delisted and banished. Contrary to what Clarence W. Walker >> >states, he does not want to hear from those who oppose him or the >> >environmental community. Can we really afford to continue poisoning our >> >soils and life on earth, including our children, in order that >> >industries can make money by composting industrial wastes? >> > >> >Susan Snow > >The above constitutes specifically legally actionable slander, libel, >direct and specific lies, and gross distortion of anything remotely >resembling facts. >I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has ever once reviewed a test result >of my compost...ever! >I defy Ms. Snow to show that she has even once reviewed my >standard...ever! >I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has even once reviewed the contents of >my compost...ever! >I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has ever reviewed any product that I >have produced...ever! > I defy Ms. Snow to prove that she has even once looked at, tested, or >touched a single product that I have distributed...ever! > >Ms Snow, as the owner of the WASTENOT list I am reluctantly forced by >your lack of professionalism to disclose that you were removed from the >wastenot list specifically because of your activities such as the >above.Whereas others in the environmental recycling community are >actively interested in and supportive of raising the arts and sciences >of composting and working together for the good of all you seem to be >obsessed with negativity and obfuscation. Is this really reflective of >the good work of the many of us in the environmental, recycling, >composting, agricultural community who are trying to work along posive >lines? I think not! Please try to stick to the truth...even if the truth >doesn't always seem to serve your seemingly nefarious ends. Mr Walker, You've stated plainly that you disagree with Ms Snow's characterization of your work. From what you've written, though, it's not as clear *what* your specific disagreement is, as nowhere in your statement do you refute any of her specific assertions. We are fortunate that this medium provides such immediate opportunity for you to state your case directly and clear your name. Specifically, which of her assertions do you dispute and why? From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Sep 28 17:32:24 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18330; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10730; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id QAA01056 for sanet-real; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id QAA01053 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s09.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.169]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08383; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970928131815.007dfeb0@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:18:15 -0700 To: atlintlcom@mindspring.com, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <342E6A7F.1799@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 When all the trees have been cut down and all the waters have been poisoned and the sun becomes to hot to take and the last fish is caught and all the soil has been made sterile than maybe man well learn you can not eat money. At 10:32 AM 9/28/97 -0400, Clarence W. Walker wrote: >Date: > Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:06:36 -0400 > From: > Roder Russo >If Henry Ford, Edison and the Wright brothers had listened to their >nay-sayers, we would be travelling by horse and buggy, and reading by >candle light. For those of us who are in the business, risking capital, >making a concerted effort to "do the right thing" w can understand the >difficulty in dealing with idealilst, individuals who are against >everything and for nothing. I honestly believe that we can and will >prevail. > >RR > > From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Sep 28 18:29:09 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21713; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24431; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id RAA03560 for sanet-real; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pearl.mhtc.net (pearl.mhtc.net [208.135.157.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id RAA03557 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hh1122191.direcpc.com (plat-cas1-cs-5.dial.mhtc.net [156.46.19.135]) by pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/FNG) with ESMTP id QAA26720; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:21:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709282121.QAA26720@pearl.mhtc.net> From: "D.B.Sullivan" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Organic Dairy Farmers Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:16:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 You Wrote ---------- Joe Brenneman Two Dog Dairy 800 Steel Bridge Road Kalispell, Montana 59901 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Organic Dairy Farmers Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 11:32 PM I'm interested in corresponding with some organic dairy farmers, particularly anyone not located next to a large population center and involved in processing and marketing their products as well as producing organic milk. ============= I am forward your email to CROPP Cooperative, Organic Valley tm Family of Farms 507n W Main Street PO Box 159 La Farge , Wi 54639 1-608-625-2602 They can give you plenty of leads and contacts organic@mwt.net From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Sep 28 19:29:33 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23314; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06476; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id RAA02509 for sanet-real; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id RAA02506 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fpfzqlga (user-38lcal1.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.42.161]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02027; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <342EC849.734@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:12:41 -0400 From: "Clarence W. Walker" Reply-To: atlintlcom@mindspring.com Organization: Atlanta Int'l Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sal CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <3.0.2.32.19970928131815.007dfeb0@rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 sal wrote: > When all the trees have been cut down and all the waters have been poisoned and the sun becomes to hot to take and the last fish is caught and all the soil has been made sterile then maybe man will learn you can not eat money. SAL, Can you please illucidate, this is very heavy and I want to be very sure that I understand your point here. With over 12,000 miles travelled in the past year, thousands spent out of my pocket, countless hours spent establishing two list, an international professional trade society, a free conference pending this month for which I have borne the costs and not one penny charged during the past three years towards such interests I just want to be sure I haven't missed something. I'm sure that the many associations, organizations, politicians, and countless others on the pay rolls of the waste haulers, landfill operators, and "recyclers" never accept their millions ....right? As for WASTENOT and the International Composting Association....not one single penny has ever been charged or accepted and there is NO outside association, affiliation,funding, or underwriting of ANY nature... and never has been! From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Sep 28 20:30:02 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23919; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17187; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id TAA06242 for sanet-real; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gold.wvnet.edu (gold.wvnet.edu [129.71.2.25]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id TAA06239 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wisent (129.71.87.12) by gold.wvnet.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.1B73C110@gold.wvnet.edu>; 28 Sep 1997 19:09:56 -0400 From: MEBUCKNER@wnpb.wvnet.edu (Marian Buckner) To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:10:02 -0400 Subject: Farming at Risk Because of Growth Message-ID: Organization: WISe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 2 for FirstClass(R) Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 Can you help with answers to any of the following? I am gathering info for a possible small research project. This proposed project would research bringing in new rural infrastructure or support services to help make farming continue to be viable. A few of our agricultural support services have left because not enough of an agricultural base was left for their particular business to be profitable. Our rural area is very threatened by growth, but still holding its own for the time being. Here are my questions: 1. Do you know of anyone that has done such a study? Or anyone researching the area of rural infrastructure and agriculture support businesses or industries? 2. Do you know of books or journal articles that discuss this subject? 3. Do you know of any related experiences in other areas--successful or unsuccessful? 4. Please comment on the following ideas I've received from others: * Attract a county-based storage facility to our new industrial park (they're looking for high-tech businesses for the most part) that would process grains on the premises (eg, flour mill or oil extracting process). Question: What about nuisance aspects (noise, dust, trucks)? How does one find out how large an agricultural base is needed for such a facility to be profitable? * Attract farm equipment dealers with a diversified line for both farmers and suburban customers--lawn and garden, snowmobiles). Question: Will farm equipment dealers resist this because they want their farm equipment to be primary? *Create a marketing group that could buy and sell blocks of grain from a number of farmers and lock in on better-priced markets. Question: Will farmers buy into this? They tend to want to be independent and act on their own. 5. Do you have other suggestions for "farmers on the urban edge"? Thanks! Marian Buckner From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 12:51:41 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11498; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06700; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id LAA05690 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id LAA05687 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.224.73.68] (gb1ip8.bcn.net [208.224.73.68]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA07696 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:24:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: csana@bcn.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:25:05 +0100 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: csana@bcn.net (csana) Subject: Farmer position avail. Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 WANTED: Experienced organic farmer(s) for fifth season, 105 member CSA with great potential for expansion in a growing community. "New England 27" greenhouse, ten+ acres excellent soil available on the site of the New England Small Farm Institute, offering resources and technical assistance. Mail letter of interest to: Core Group c/o B. Weiss 350 Old Enfield Road Belchertown, MA 01007 For further information call 413-323-4531. Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jug End Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CSA West/ Community Supported Agriculture A Program of Community Alliance with Family Farmers (CAFF) PO Box 363 / Davis, California 95617 916-756-8518 / 916-756-7857 (fax) csawest@caff.org http://www.caff.org From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 14:16:14 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03114; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29689; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id MAA09022 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pearl.mhtc.net (pearl.mhtc.net [208.135.157.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id MAA09019 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hh1122191.direcpc.com (plat-cas2-cs-1.dial.mhtc.net [156.46.19.182]) by pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/FNG) with ESMTP id LAA11032; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:43:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709291643.LAA11032@pearl.mhtc.net> From: "D.B.Sullivan" To: , Subject: Re: market price-Ginseng Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:38:51 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 ---------- From: Alogin@aol.com To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: market price Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 4:46 PM Hi everyone. I have just one question. What is the ginseng price in the market? (fresh and dried) If anybody has the information, please reply. thank you... Try Marthon UWEX , Wisconsin this is where most of all ginseng is grown. MARATHON (C) Barnett, Ken Phone 715-847-5258 fax 715-847-5279 email: KEN.BARNETT@ces.uwex.edu From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 15:22:34 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04160; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17606; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id OAA12758 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [198.53.172.12]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id OAA12755 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from i1-164.islandnet.com [198.53.172.164] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0xFkIg-0006dhC for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:11:16 -0800 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu From: dragon@mail.islandnet.com (lischeron) Subject: unsubscribe Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 unsubscribe sanet-mg From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 20:23:59 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09937; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04805; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id TAA25418 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyclops-e0.cogent.net (cyclops-e0.cogent.net [204.250.78.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id TAA25415 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mycomputer.cogent.net (p30.annex1.mfs.cogent.net [207.137.176.40]) by cyclops-e0.cogent.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA13199 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970929161756.006b4588@mail.cogent.net> X-Sender: inseason@mail.cogent.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:17:56 -0700 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Mark Thompson Subject: farming on urban fringe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 In response to the request for information about farming on the urban fringe, you might find some useful information and inspiration in a story about how thanks to farmers markets, some farmers are managing to hang on in a thoroughly urban setting -- the heart of Los Angeles. The story can be found on the "In Season" web site at . Regards, Mark Thompson Publisher, In Season From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Sep 29 21:20:30 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11678; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17723; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id SAA24388 for sanet-real; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from green.indy.net (green.indy.net [199.3.65.18]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id SAA24385 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from indy4.indy.net (root@indy4.indy.net [199.3.65.4]) by green.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA03795; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ip75-189.ts.indy.net [199.3.75.189]) by indy4.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA17115; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:50:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <343030D0.16C0@indy.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:50:57 -0500 From: Rich Molini Reply-To: richmo@indy.net Organization: IndyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marian Buckner CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Farming at Risk Because of Growth References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 Marian Buckner wrote: > > Can you help with answers to any of the following? I am gathering > info for a possible small research project. > This proposed project would research bringing in new rural > infrastructure or support services to help make farming continue to be > viable. A few of our agricultural support services have left because > not enough of an agricultural base was left for their particular > business to be profitable. Our rural area is very threatened by > growth, but still holding its own for the time being. > > Here are my questions: > 1. Do you know of anyone that has done such a study? Or anyone > researching the area of rural infrastructure and agriculture support > businesses or industries? > > 2. Do you know of books or journal articles that discuss this subject? > > 3. Do you know of any related experiences in other areas--successful > or unsuccessful? > > 4. Please comment on the following ideas I've received from others: > * Attract a county-based storage facility to our new industrial park > (they're looking for high-tech businesses for the most part) that would > process grains on the premises (eg, flour mill or oil extracting > process). > Question: What about nuisance aspects (noise, dust, trucks)? How > does one find out how large an agricultural base is needed for such a > facility to be profitable? > > * Attract farm equipment dealers with a diversified line for both > farmers and suburban customers--lawn and garden, snowmobiles). > Question: Will farm equipment dealers resist this because they want > their farm equipment to be primary? > > *Create a marketing group that could buy and sell blocks of grain from > a number of farmers and lock in on better-priced markets. > Question: Will farmers buy into this? They tend to want to be > independent and act on their own. > > 5. Do you have other suggestions for "farmers on the urban edge"? > > Thanks! Marian Buckner Marian, I have already read David Sullivan's reply to your inquiry, and I believe there are numerous success stories like those that he relayed and I hope to see many more. However, there are thousands of failures in this arena, because if we really don't address the root cause there is little accomplished. The root cause of rural decline is the loss of producers. When it becomes necessary to farm 1200 acres in Central Indiana to make a living growing and selling grain, there are too few producers and too many doing the same thing, in this case growing grain to ship off to some remote location to feed livestock or make oil. What many suggest you need to ensure the continued viability of the rural communities is 10 - 120 acre farms engaging in diversified activities. Ten farm families will repopulate the countryside and produce markets for all kinds of goods. These 10 farms however cannot only produce corn and beans. They have to produce real food products like beef, milk, chicken, eggs, jellies, jams, or produce. They have to add value to their products much like the pasta producers mentioned by David. Markets exist in this country for wholesome, nutritious, and healthy food, and people are willing to pay a premium price for beef, pork, or chicken that has taste or eggs that have color or apples that are crisp and fresh or real peaches that weren't designed to withstand a 5 foot fall. The added plus is that real food is produced understanding and respecting the natural ecosystems. Real food is grown organically and sustainably. Monsanto adds no value to an organic crop. No herbicides were needed to control undesirable plants. Cargill sold that organic producer no fertilizer where the money would return to headquarters and serve the executive committee. When you put sweat equity into cultivation and cover crops and a quality rotation to control pests the money stays in the community and Dow wonders why you didn't need their spray schedule. Produce, sell ,and consume your food locally that is the key to the rejuvenation of rural America. When the consumer knows the folks who produced those eggs and they know that those folks did not foul the air or add atrazine or Roundup to the creek they will repect and compliment them with a premium. They will build a relationship of trust and that trust will be contagious so that the local hardware store will remain because that 20 cents less at Walmart will not make a darn bit of difference. Think globally and shop and chew locally. Thanks, Rich From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 03:24:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA17420; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02771; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id CAA07395 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pixie.udw.ac.za (pixie.udw.ac.za [192.96.21.252]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id CAA07389 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bassa.udw.ac.za by pixie.udw.ac.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0xFvij-0003Q3C; Tue, 30 Sep 97 08:23 SST Message-ID: <343042FC.155F@PIXIE.UDW.AC.ZA> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:08:28 -0700 From: A F Bassa Organization: Department of Chemical Engineering, University of Durban-Westville X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: unsubscribe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 unsubscribe sanet-mg From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 06:19:23 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA19144; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA27953; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id EAA10802 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id EAA10799 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.102.67.138] (portshep3-67-98.intrepid.net [206.102.67.98]) by intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA26569 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:50:36 -0400 X-Sender: igg@intrepid.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:51:11 -0400 To: World Sustainable Agriculture Association From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: "Walking Tractor" Workshop Invitation Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 CONTACT: Allan Balliett BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century (304) 876-2373 (304) 876-9414 FAX biodynamics@biodynamics.com PRESS RELEASE ===== ======= For Immediate Release "Walking Tractors" Offer Gardeners an Economical Way to Increase Productivity If today you garden successfully in a small way and are considering how to manage a much bigger garden for at home use, a walking tractor may be right for you. 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Check out the Biodynamic Association WEB PAGE: http://www.biodynamics.com Thank you, Allan Balliett, Moderator, BD-L =============================== From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 07:24:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA19831; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA06765; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id EAA10807 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id EAA10804 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.102.67.138] (portshep3-67-98.intrepid.net [206.102.67.98]) by intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA26580 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:50:39 -0400 X-Sender: igg@intrepid.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:49:42 -0400 To: World Sustainable Agriculture Association From: Intergalactic Garage Subject: SPADING MACHINE CLINIC in TRI-STATE AREA Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 CONTACT: Allan Balliett POB 3047 Shepherdstown, WV 25443 (304) 876-2373 (304) 876-9414 FAX biodynamics@biodynamics.com PRESS RELEASE ===== ======= For Immediate Release "Spading Machine" Performs Primary Tillage with Minimal Disturbance to Biological Activity in Farm Soils The Italian spading machine represents the greatest improvement in tillage tools of the twentieth century. This 3pt mounted tractor implement allows a hard packed field to be converted to a deeply dug, well aerated subsoil, and a crumbled surface ready for planting in a single slow pass with a low horse power tractor. While accomplishing this remarkable result no plow pan is formed, existing hard pans are destroyed and top soil is kept on top, undiluted with subsoil. In addition, green manures and crop residues are incorporated into the soil at the most biologically active depth. Primary and secondary tillage can be accomplished in a single, slow, pass. On October 4, 1997, Eugene F. Canales, the person who introduced this remarkable machine to the USA and a columnist for "BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century" magazine, will conduct a clinic on the correct use and maintenance of spaders. Mr. Canales, owner of Ferrari Tractor CIE, will explain how to select, how to mount, how to adjust, how to operate and how to care for a spading machine, whether it is a 30 inch model digging 8 inches deep on a 15 HP mini tractor or a 20 ft. model for a 200 HP field tractor digging 14 to 20 inches deep. There is no charge for this clinic, which is part of the 1997 Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Conference, Oct 3-5 at the Claymont Court Agricultural Project, outside of Charles Town, WV. A reservation is required to attend this clinic. Call 876-6818 for more information, times, and to reserve your seat. # # # =========================================================================== To Post to the Bio-Dynamics Mailing list: bd-l@biodynamics.com =========================================================================== Subscribe to BIODYNAMICS: Farming and Gardening in the 21st Century the Bi-Monthly Magazine about Developments in the Art and Science of Biodyamics. 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Check out the Biodynamic Association WEB PAGE: http://www.biodynamics.com Thank you, Allan Balliett, Moderator, BD-L =============================== From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 07:25:17 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA19842; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA06880; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id GAA12982 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x10.boston.juno.com ([205.231.101.25]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id GAA12979 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dan.worley@juno.com) by x10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GHE23869; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:07:21 EDT To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:03:58 AST Subject: Richard Wolfson : GE news Message-ID: <19970930.060643.27943.3.DAN.WORLEY@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-11,13,15,17-18,20-25,27-28,30-32,34,36,38-40, 42-45,47,49-51,53-54,56-57,59-60,62,64-66,68,70-93 From: dan.worley@juno.com (Daniel D. Worley) Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Wolfson To: info@natural-law.ca Subject: GE news Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:56:26 -0400 Message-ID: HERE ARE TWO NEWS STORIES THAT RECENTLY CAME OUT OF A EUROPEAN NEWSLETTER: UNHAPPY FARMER A Canadian farmer recently phoned in to take part in a radio programme (CBC September =9197) discussing labelling of GM crops. He went on to say how unhappy he was with the Roundup Ready Canola that he was in the process of harvesting. He reported that he was only getting 15 bushels per acre, after getting 30 the week before from the fields seeded with conventional canola. He had seeded RR Canola because he =91wanted to clean u= p this field=92. The problem with that was that the weeds the Roundup were guaranteed to clean up were still there. On top of that, he said, he had grown some RR canola the year before and kept it segregated, but this year the industry told him not to bother segregating the RR canola because it had been approved in Japan and Europe. Now they tell him that the European and Japanese buyers don't want it, approved or not, because the public don't want it - but now it is all mixed in with his regular canola! The radio station was CBC Regina, the show was on air from 1-2 p.m. local time, on Sept. 2nd and the host was Lindy Thorsen. Peter McCann, an industry front man (pres. of AgWest Biotech, a publicly funded industry lobby group) was a guest on the show as was Brewster Kneen, who is an anti-ge campaigner. BRAZIL SAYS NO Brazilian agriculture officials will meet on October 2nd to discuss Brazil's ban on imports of soybeans containing GMOs. At present, the entry into Brazil of any soybeans containing genetically modified material is prohibited; providing a source of GM-free processed soybeans for other countries. Brazil itself has said that the main reason for the ban is that some third countries who are significant buyers of the processed soybean do impose restrictions on such products. Without imports of U.S. soybeans, which some say could total around 2 million tons, sources say the Brazilian [soya bean], crushing industry could shut down for several months, potentially from Nov. 1997 to Feb. 1998, when new-crop supplies come on line. Brazil's own GE free soya beans were in such high demand this year that they sold out in record time. ** Brazil is under immense pressure from the US to end its ban, please send as many faxes as possible to the Brazilian Agriculture Minister, Arlindo Porto, before October 2nd, urging him not to give in. Explain to him the US strategy and tell him that Europe doesn=92t want transgenic soya from the US and that Brazil shouldn't be pressured into buying something that nobody else wants. His fax number is: +55-61-225 9046. If you have the time fax Brazilian press also. For their details email: martin.rickinger@apis.com.br he would also like to hear about any faxes that you send to Arlindo Porto. _________________________________________________________ Richard Wolfson, PhD Campaign for Mandatory Labelling and Long-term Testing of all Genetically Engineered Foods Natural Law Party, 500 Wilbrod Street Ottawa, ON Canada K1N 6N2 Tel. 613-565-8517 Fax. 613-565-1596 email: rwolfson@concentric.net Our website, http://www.natural-law.ca/genetic/geindex.html contains more information on genetic engineering. To receive regular news on genetic engineering and this campaign, please send an email message with 'subscribe GE' in the subject line to rwolfson@concentric.net To unsubscribe, please send the message 'unsubscribe GE' __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ --------- End forwarded message ---------- From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 08:18:46 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA20605; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA16570; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id HAA14362 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net [203.108.7.41]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id HAA14359 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oznet02.ozemail.com.au (oznet02.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.124]) by server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA01741; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:09:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from default (modem72-213.one.net.au [203.56.72.213]) by oznet02.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA16840; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:09:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3430DD28.1152@ozemail.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:06:16 +1000 From: "Marsupial Landscapes P.L." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hawkins@empm.cdpr.ca.gov CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Efficacy of hot water on weeds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 -- Marsupial Landscapes Pty Ltd. mailto:marsup@ozemail.com.au Ph: 61-2-99056844 Fax : 61-2-99056244 I have been browsing the web for other persons interested in the use of hot water for controlling weeds. I have been looking at alternatives to the use of biocides for the control of weeds in the built environment ie open public space. There appears to be one or two companies world wide who have developed apparatus for the application of hot water to weeds. The apparatus as they stand at the moment have a few major flaws. - They use in excess of 4 litres per minute of water therefore requiring a cumbersome amount of water to be transported and a continual time consuming refill on avearge every 1 to 2 hours. - The heat exchanger is deisel fuelled; being costly, energy inefficient noisy and potentially polluting. If we are looking for sustainable and non polluting alternatives a cleaner energy source is required. - The consequential size of the apparatus make them unable to unobtrusively operate in the public domain and the volume of water consumed and consequentially out poured causes excessive runoff on paved areas and floods garden beds. -Tractor mounted apparatus are unable to apply control to the crop rows. Trials I have carried out have shown that Hot water at tempertures in excess of 75 degrees C will cause permanent cell collapse within 5 seconds on a majority of soft tissued plants above ground. Controlling more persistant stoloniferous, rhizomateous, corm and bulb weeds requires heating the soil to temperatures in excess of 65 degrees C. To do this the hot water must have time to penetrate the rhizosphere and be of an application temperature high enough to still be of effect at the required depth ie upto 75mm (3"). There is some concern for the other organisms present in the rhizosphere, but worm counts a few days following application are encouraging, probably due to their feeding on resultant dead tissue. Microflora counts have not been done. Mr Hawkins, you mention in correspondance that you are familiar with hot water treatment of weeds. I would be pleased if you could refer me to any published articles, preferably prior to 1991, on the method. I am running overtime on research and would be greatfull for an early response. Jeremy Winer Sydney. From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 09:46:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21957; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02975; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id HAA14930 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arcmail.agric.za (arc1.agric.za [155.240.199.21]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id HAA14921 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:43:39 -0400 (EDT) From: RFOWLER@cedara1.agric.za Received: from CEDARA1.AGRIC.ZA ([155.240.105.10]) by arcmail.agric.za (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA22874 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:01:58 +0200 Received: from CEDARA1/SpoolDir by CEDARA1.AGRIC.ZA (Mercury 1.21); 30 Sep 97 13:43:23 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by CEDARA1 (Mercury 1.30); 30 Sep 97 13:38:02 +0200 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:37:57 +0200 Subject: "Walking (Animal?) Tractor" Workshop Invitation X-Confirm-Reading-To: X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <10CA2F76559@CEDARA1.AGRIC.ZA> Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 Are these bovine or equine tractors? Surely the economical sustainable enviro-friendly biodynamic way to enter the 21st century is by using animal draft power (and by- products)! Richard Fowler ********************************************************************* N.B. PLEASE NOTE NEW PHONE NUMBERS BELOW !!!!!!!!!!!!! ********************************************************************** Richard Fowler East Coast Co-ordinator Farming Systems Research & Technology Transfer Grain Crops Institute : Agricultural Research Council P/bag X 9059 PIETERMARITZBURG 3200 SOUTH AFRICA PHONE: 27 (0) 331 3559410 (alternatives 3559409 / 3559452) FAX: 27 (0) 331 431571 E-mail: rfowler@cedara1.agric.za ********************************************************************** From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 10:18:02 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22570; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10044; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id JAA19140 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bud.peinet.pe.ca (root@bud.peinet.pe.ca [198.167.1.1]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id JAA19135 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WS.cs.upei.ca (mt-as02.peinet.pe.ca [198.167.12.102]) by bud.peinet.pe.ca (8.8.6/8.6.15) with SMTP id KAA23408; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:08:21 -0300 (ADT) Message-ID: <3430FA33.243B@cycor.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:10:11 -0300 From: Don Harris Reply-To: dharris@bud.peinet.pe.ca Organization: University of UPEI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu CC: dharris@upei.ca Subject: Ethanol from grain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 Dear SANetters Can anyone point me to a report(s) detailing the economics of processing grain into ethanol? Is it feasible or are do the input energies exceed the output energy. Thanks, -- Don Harris Technical Information Specialist University of PEI, Charlottetown, PEI Off: 902-566-0794 fax:902-566-0756 From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 11:12:45 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23480; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23271; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id IAA17608 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliff.nal.usda.gov (cliff.nal.usda.gov [192.54.138.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id IAA17604 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cliff.nal.usda.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA23009; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:54:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andy Clark, SAN Coordinator" X-Sender: san@cliff To: A F Bassa cc: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribing from sanet In-Reply-To: <343042FC.155F@PIXIE.UDW.AC.ZA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, someone wrote: > unsubscribe sanet-mg > To unsubscribe, send a message to: almanac@ces.ncsu.edu In the BODY of the message, type ONLY: unsubscribe sanet-mg Please contact me if you have any problems. Andy Clark, Ph.D. SAN Coordinator c/o AFSIC, Room 304 USDA/ARS/National Agricultural Library 10301 Baltimore Ave. Beltsville, MD 20705-2351 san@nal.usda.gov PH : (301) 504-6425 FAX: (301) 504-6409 http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/san/ From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 11:37:26 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24801; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00433; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id JAA20960 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vcgi.uvm.edu (vcgi.uvm.edu [132.198.131.51]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id JAA20957 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vcgi.uvm.edu; id AA04304; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:46:00 -0400 Message-Id: <3430FED3.5B85@vcgi.uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:29:55 -0400 From: Leslie Pelch Reply-To: lesliep@vcgi.uvm.edu Organization: Vermont Center for Geographic Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: urban edible landscape response Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 I would like to share another response I just received: John Fisk wrote: > > In reply to your inquiry: > > There is a project in Berkeley CA, hardly the NorthEast, called Edible > Schoolyard and has been instigated by the Chez Panisse (sp?) Foundation. > It uses the schoolyard to grow food for the school lunch program with > maximum participation by the students. > > Their phone number is:510 548-1335 > > Best of luck, > John Fisk > Organic Farming Specialist > Michigan State University > fiskjohn@pilot.msu.edu > -- Leslie Pelch Vermont Center for Geographic Information 206 Morrill Hall, UVM Burlington, VT 05405-0106 (802) 656-4277 http://geo-vt.uvm.edu/vsdp/vsdp.htm From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 12:09:50 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27171; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10416; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id KAA23888 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id KAA23884 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp26.1stnet.com [206.104.46.26]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12781 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3431096B.6D28@1stnet.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:15:08 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re:Efficacy of hot water on weeds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 I do NOT use hot water directly on weeds, although I see no reason why it would not work. I use boiling hot water mixed with Tabasco or other hot pepper sauces on fire ant mounds. The ants have not returned to my property for 7 years. The only drawback is that boiling hot water sterilizes the soil and kills the vegetation in that particular area. Still, I would rather have sterilized soil than poisoned soil, groundwater, and a poisoned environmment. Susan Snow From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 13:14:52 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01667; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26835; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id MAA29497 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amauta.rcp.net.pe (amauta.rcp.net.pe [161.132.5.5]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id MAA29494 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200.1.183.227(src addr [200.1.183.227]) (1003 bytes) by amauta.rcp.net.pe via sendmail with P\:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:15:25 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.96 1997-Jun-2 #7 built 1997-Aug-15) Message-ID: <34310996.34F4@amauta.rcp.net.pe> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:18:08 -0500 From: Sharon Stevenson Reply-To: ssteve@amauta.rcp.net.pe X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Walking Tractor -online? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 Re Walking Tractor Workshop, will any of the information then be put online somewhere? Is there any information online already available (and I guess I'm being lazy...promise to hit Altavista soon!) -- Sharon Stevenson Mail U.S.: 1680 Monterey Rd. 10-L Tel/fax (51-1) 444-4749 Seal Beach, CA 90740 Lima, Peru (562) 598-0460 ---------------------- Our best hope for civility? The Golden Rule: Treat others as you wish to be treated--for the good of us all! :-) From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 13:24:26 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01845; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29058; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id LAA27388 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id LAA27385 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [132.198.176.181] (132.198.176.181) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.4566A520@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:30:36 -0400 X-Sender: bholtzma@pop.uvm.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:53:42 -0500 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Beth Holtzman Subject: News Release: Grant $$ Available Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 September 30, 1997 EDITORS: Please distribute this news release via on-line and print newsletters, news discussion groups, etc. If you have any questions, please contact me at 802-656-0554 or bholtzma@zoo.uvm.edu Thank you, Beth Holtzman N E W S R E L E A S E Date: September 30, 1997 Contact: Beth Holtzman For Release: Immediately 802-656-0554 New "SEED" Grants Available to Northeast Producers Burlington, VT - The Northeast Region Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) Program seeks producers to farm-test alternative practices developed through recent research projects. Through its new Special Evaluation, Education and Demonstration (SEED) farmer grant initiative, SARE will provide grants to producers willing to try out selected practices. SARE-supported research has shown that these practices improve farm profitability, reduce pesticide use, protecte soil, and/or enhance farm family quality of life. "We want to provide support for farmers to implement a practice, find out how it works under their particular conditions, and share that information with other producers," Northeast Region SARE Coordinator Fred Magdoff says. "Because of differences in soils, climate and the availability of labor and machinery on individual farms, not every practice or system will necessarily work well on every farm," Magdoff explains. The SEED initiative is part of the Northeast SARE's continuing, six-year-old Farmer/Grower Grant Program. Through the Farmer/ Grower Grant Program, SARE helps producers conduct farm-based experiments to answer their own production and marketing questions. "There are now two ways to participate in the SARE Farmer Grant program," says Magdoff. "One is to use practices developed through previous, SARE-sponsored research - these are the new SEED grants. The other is to come up with your own idea." Farmer/Grower Grant proposals may address any food, non-food or forest crop production or marketing issue. Project activities may include small research trials, educational activities and demonstrations. The goal is to develop systems and practices that promote stewardship of natural resources, prevent agricultural pollution and improve farm profitability. SARE will award up to $150,000 through the Northeast producer grant programs. Grants will be awarded on a competitive basis to farmers in the 12-state region. The Northeast region includes: Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia and Washington D.C. To obtain a grant application, write the SARE Program at 10 Hills Building, University of Vermont, Burlington Vermont, 05405-0082, call 802-656-0471 or print it or download it from our website at http://www.uvm.edu/~nesare/FARMCFP.html. ************************************* Beth Holtzman Communications Specialist Northeast Region Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) Program Hills Building -- Carrigan Drive University of Vermont Burlington, VT 05405-0082 Phone: 802-656-0554 Fax: 802-656-4656 ************************************** ************************************* Beth Holtzman Communications Specialist Northeast Region Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) Program Hills Building -- Carrigan Drive University of Vermont Burlington, VT 05405-0082 Phone: 802-656-0554 Fax: 802-656-4656 ************************************** From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 14:21:19 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02844; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13590; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id NAA01662 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliff.nal.usda.gov (cliff.nal.usda.gov [192.54.138.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id NAA01659 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cliff.nal.usda.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01890; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:24:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andy Clark, SAN Coordinator" X-Sender: san@cliff To: sanet-mg cc: Wallace Institute Subject: Alternative Agriculture News, 10/97 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 Alternative Agriculture News October, 1997 Henry A. Wallace Institute for Alternative Agriculture 9200 Edmonston Road, #117 Greenbelt, MD 20770 (301) 441-8777 E-mail: hawiaa@access.digex.net World Wide Web: http://www.hawiaa.org * * * If You Are Interested in Sustainable Agriculture... In addition to this monthly newsletter, the Henry A. Wallace Institute for Alternative Agriculture publishes the American Journal of Alternative Agriculture, a quarterly, peer-reviewed journal of research on alternative agriculture. It is a scientific forum for disseminating technical, economic, and social research findings about the character and requirements of alternative agriculture systems. A comparison of organic versus conventional grain production in the Mid-Atlantic region, with an economic and farming system overview, highlights the most recent issue (Volume 12, No. 1) of AJAA. Other articles examine a laboratory experiment involving nutrient release from decomposing crop residues; farm structure, market structure and agricultural sustainability goals in New York state dairying; farmers' commitment to continued use of the late spring soil nitrogen test; local food systems and sustainable communities; and community-controlled economic development as a strategic vision for the sustainable agriculture movement. Subscriptions to AJAA are $44 for libraries, $24 for individuals, and $12 for students; contact the Wallace Institute, 9200 Edmonston Road, #117, Greenbelt, MD 20770; (301) 441-8777. Table of Contents: U.S. Geological Survey Finds Widespread Pesticides in Water 1 Chemicals Possible Cause of Rise in Children's Cancer 2 Wallace Board Approves New Journal Editor 3 President's Council Members Named 3 Positions 3 Final Conference Maintains Funding for Sustainable Ag 4 USDA Creates New Office of Pest Management 4 Farmers Take the Lead in Protecting Ohio Watershed 4 Nominations Sought for Steward of Land Award 5 Resources 5 Upcoming Events 6 U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY FINDS WIDESPREAD PESTICIDES IN WATER The first cycle of the U.S. Geological Survey's National Water Quality Assessment has found widespread pesticides in streams and groundwater, with most of the 84 pesticide compounds investigated detected in those waters at least once, according to a preliminary summary of the assessment's first results. The assessment was conducted on 5,000 samples of groundwater and surface water in 20 major hydrologic basins from 1991 to 1995, predominantly in agricultural and urban settings. The data collected are the most extensive ever compiled for such a wide range of pesticides and locations. The 84 pesticides investigated account for approximately 75% of the agricultural uses and a substantial portion of urban and suburban uses in the United States. The assessment found pesticides more often in streams than in groundwater, with most streams containing low-level mixtures of pesticides during much of the year. Other findings include: -- At least one pesticide was found in every stream and in half the wells sampled. There was an average of seven to eight pesticides in each stream sample. -- The same herbicides were most commonly found in streams and groundwater: atrazine and metolachlor, used primarily on corn and soybeans; prometon, used primarily in urban and suburban settings; and simazine, used in both agricultural and non- agricultural settings. -- Insecticides were not found often in groundwater, but those most frequently detected in streams were diazinon, chlopyrifos, and carbaryl, all of which have substantial urban and suburban use. -- In most agricultural areas, the highest levels of pesticides, often above drinking water standards, occur as seasonal pulses lasting from a few days to several months. The final assessment and other publications related to the assessment are expected to be available by the end of this year. For more information, contact Tim Miller, Chief of the National Water Quality Assessment, at (703) 648-5716. CHEMICALS POSSIBLE CAUSE OF RISE IN CHILDREN'S CANCER The rate of cancer among American children has been rising almost one percent a year for decades, with many experts suspecting "the increase may be partly the result of growing exposure to new chemicals in the environment," according to The New York Times (September 29, 1997). "Although the causes are not known and are probably many, some experts say, toxins in the air, food, dust, soil and drinking water are prime suspects." According to Dr. Philip Landrigan, senior adviser to the EPA's office of children's health, "the strong probability exists that environmental factors are playing a role." In their research, experts will probably examine "the estimated 75,000 new synthetic chemicals introduced in the last half century, the emissions from cars, the pesticides in foods and in neighborhoods -- the whole collection of chemicals out there, mostly untested for toxicity to humans." If there is a link between childhood cancer and chemicals, the results could be an expansion of federally supported research and eventually, tighter controls on pesticides, toxic wastes, and other chemicals, according to the article. "I'm talking about new research on air pollutants, water pollutants and pesticides, and their effects on children," said EPA Administrator Carol Browner. She also promised to pursue better interdisciplinary and collaborative studies of suspected environmental causes and mechanisms of childhood cancer. WALLACE BOARD APPROVES NEW JOURNAL EDITOR AT MID-YEAR MEETING The Wallace Institute's Board of Directors, at its mid-year meeting in Salinas, California, on September 5-6, approved the appointment of Dr. Robert I. Papendick to be the new Editor of American Journal of Alternative Agriculture, the Institute's quarterly, peer-reviewed journal of research on alternative agriculture. Dr. Papendick, currently Professor Emeritus in the Department of Crop and Soil Science at Washington State University, had previously been a research soil scientist with the USDA's Agricultural Research Service for almost 30 years. Dr. Papendick, who assumes the editorship in January, 1998, succeeds Dr. Willie Lockeretz, Research Professor at Tufts University, who has edited AJAA since its inception in 1986. After a reception on September 5 at the Emma Prusch Farm Park in San Jose, the Board of Directors met on September 6 at the Rural Development Center, directed by Jose Montenegro, a member of the Wallace Board. The Center, a project of the Association for Community Based Education, runs a Small Farm Education Program, a community-based agricultural education program designed to meet the needs and aspirations of low-income people seeking greater self-reliance. After its meeting, the Board toured the Center and sustainable agriculture activities nearby, including the Elkhorn Slough Watershed Project, which seeks to reduce soil erosion and improve water quality in the strawberry fields of the watershed. The Board also toured the organic family farm of Phil Foster in Hollister. WALLACE INSTITUTE NAMES MEMBERS OF PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL Dr. Frederick L. Kirschenmann, President of the Wallace Institute, has announced the members of the 1997-1998 President's Council, formed seven years ago to provide guidance and support for Wallace Institute activities in promoting a more sustainable agricultural system in the United States and abroad. Members are: Dr. Charles Benbrook, Benbrook Consulting Services; Norman A. Berg, Washington Representative, Soil and Water Conservation Society; Hon. George E. Brown, Jr., U.S. House of Representatives; Robert Gray, Resource Management Consultants; Ralph Grossi, President, American Farmland Trust; Dr. R. Jim Hildreth, Elmhurst, IL; Ms. Dana Jackson, Land Stewardship Project; Dr. Dennis R. Keeney, Director, Leopold Center; Hon. Patrick J. Leahy, U.S. Senate; Dr. Ned S. Raun, Stillwater, OK; Ronald L. Rosmann, farmer, Harlan, IA; R. Neil Sampson, Executive Vice President, American Forestry Association; Edward Sills, Pleasant Grove Farms, Pleasant Grove, CA; Dr. David G. Topel, Dean, College of Agriculture and Director of Experiment Station, Iowa State University; and Dr. Stephen Viederman, President, Jessie Smith Noyes Foundation. POSITIONS National Center for Appropriate Technology seeks an Associate Director; applications are available from Jeanne Weiss, NCAT Personnel Office, P.O. Box 3838, Butte, MT 59702; (406) 494- 4572; e-mail jweiss@ncat.org. Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development will award fellowships in 1998 to scientists willing to research "Safe Exploitation of Micro-Organisms in Plant/Soil Systems;" applications are due November 21; contact Prof. J.M. Lynch, School of Biological Sciences, University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey GU2 5XH, United Kingdom; phone (44) 1-483-259-721; e-mail J.Lynch@Surrey.ac.uk. FINAL CONFERENCE MAINTAINS FUNDING FOR SUSTAINABLE AG PROGRAMS The House-Senate Agriculture Appropriations conference committee last month approved final appropriations for Fiscal Year 1998 that maintain funding levels for most sustainable agriculture programs. Funding levels approved for discretionary programs included: SARE: $8 million was approved for the Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education program, the same as last year. SAPDP: $3.3 million was approved for the SARE (Chapter 3) Professional Development Program, the same as last year. ATTRA: $1.3 million was approved for Appropriate Technology Transfer for Rural Areas, the same as last year. OFPA: $500,000 was approved for the Organic Foods Production Act, the same as last year. Funding for mandatory programs was unchanged from the requested amounts: CFO: $15 million was approved for the new Conservation Farm Option. EQIP: $200 million was approved for the Environmental Quality Incentives Program, the same as last year. WRP: $164 million was approved for the Wetlands Reserve Program, an increase from last year's appropriation of $119 million. CFSA: $2.5 million was approved for the Community Food Security Act, the same as last year. FRA: $100 million was approved for the Fund for Rural America, the same as last year. USDA CREATES NEW OFFICE OF PEST MANAGEMENT The USDA last month announced the creation of an Office of Pest Management that will serve as the agency's focal point for pesticide regulatory issues, and part of a new approach to minor use pesticides for the USDA and the EPA. The new office is charged with integrating and coordinating pesticide issues within the USDA, along with improving communications with and strengthening the existing network of grower organizations and crop specialists at land grant institutions. The agency can now be more responsive to the agricultural community in developing alternative pest management practices to meet critical needs that develop as a result of the regulatory process, according to Deputy Agriculture Secretary Richard Rominger. FARMERS TAKE THE LEAD IN PROTECTING OHIO WATERSHED Farmers are taking the lead in the Big Walnut Water Quality Partnership, a project designed to protect the natural resources of an important watershed in central Ohio. The initiators and decision-makers of the partnership are farmers and other land owners from the Big Walnut Creek watershed who serve on the board of trustees. "This is the first time that I know of that farmers have been in on a watershed project from the very beginning instead of being told what to do," said Bob Weiler, a farmer from the area. Farmers in the project are committed to soil- conserving farming techniques, other best management practices, and responsible use of pesticides to ensure water quality. Support for the project comes from local, state, and federal agencies, including the USDA's Natural Resources Conservation Service. NOMINATIONS SOUGHT FOR STEWARD OF THE LAND AWARD American Farmland Trust seeks nominations for its second annual Steward of the Land Award, which recognizes efforts by an individual farmer or farm family in land stewardship, agricultural conservation policy, or the use of environmentally and economically sustainable farming practices. Nominations for the $10,000 award must be received by AFT by December 1. For a brochure and nomination form, contact Shannon Weller, AFT, 1920 N St., NW, #400, Washington, D.C. 20036; (202) 659-5170, ext. 3034. RESOURCES "Sustainable Agriculture in Print: Current Books" is available from Alternative Farming Systems Information Center, National Agricultural Library, 10301 Baltimore Blvd., Beltsville, MD 20705; (301) 504-6559; e-mail afsic@nal.usda.gov. "Free-Range Poultry Production and Marketing" is $39.50 plus $4.50 shipping from Back Forty Books, Dept. A, 26328 Locust Grove Road, Creola, OH 45622; (614) 596-4379. UPCOMING EVENTS October 28-31, "Regenerative Agriculture for the 21st Century" will be held at the Rodale Institute, 611 Siegfriedale Road, Kutztown, PA 19530; contact Jane Fisher at (610) 683-1428; e-mail jfishe@rodaleinst.org. November 1, 2nd Annual Membership Meeting of the Wisconsin Rural Development Center will be held in Verona, WI; contact WRDC, (608) 437-5971. November 1-3, "Teaching Sustainable Agriculture to Students, Apprentices and Farm Workers" will be held at NewFarms, NC 69 Box 62, Rociada, N.M. 87742; (505) 425-5457. November 2-4, "Food Safety, Sufficiency, and Security" will be held in Chicago, IL; contact Council for Agricultural Science and Technology, 4420 West Lincoln Way, Ames, IA 50014; (515) 292- 2125; e-mail cast@cast-science.org; World Wide Web, http://www.netins.net/showcase/cast/ November 3 is the application deadline for the Center for Agroecology and University of California Extension's course, Apprenticeship in Ecological Horticulture, in 1998; contact Farm and Garden Apprenticeship, UCSC, 1156 High St., Santa Cruz, CA 95064; (408) 459-4140. November 3-4, 9th Annual Symposium and Banquet of the Wildlife Habitat Council will be held in Bethesda, MD; contact WHC, 1010 Wayne Ave., #920; Silver Spring, MD 20910; (301) 588- 8994. November 3-5, Research Conference on Methyl Bromide Alternatives will be held in San Diego, CA; contact Methyl Bromide Alternatives Outreach, (209) 244-4710. November 5-7, Agriculture and Natural Resources Products Tourism Conference will be held in Benton Harbor, MI; contact Bob Neumann, Michigan State University Extension, (517) 432-1555. November 7-8, 5th Small Farm Trade Show and Conference will be held in Columbia, MO; contact Small Farm Today, 1-800-633- 2535. November 7-9, "Mediator Between Heaven & Earth: Towards a New Consciousness of Water" will be held in Pasadena, CA; contact Faith Perry, Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association, (909) 625-6720. November 7-9, "California Gold Rush Tour" will be held in Sacramento and several other cities; contact Pacific Northwest Farm Direct Marketing Association, P.O. Box 4612, Pasco, WA 99302; (509) 547-5538. November 14-15, "Preserving Crop Biodiversity and Saving Seeds in the Northeast" will be held in State College, PA; contact Carolyn Sachs, Penn State University, (814) 863-8641. November 14-16, "Local Food, Local Farms, Local Futures," the 12th Annual Sustainable Agriculture Conference, will be held in Flat Rock, N.C.; contact Carolina Farm Stewardship Association, P.O. Box 448, Pittsboro, N.C. 27312; (919) 542-2402; e-mail cfsa@sunsite.unc.edu. November 14-16, "Growing Together: Exploring a New Vision of Agriculture and Community" will be held in Mt. Vernon, WA; contact Washington Tilth Producers, 1-800-731-1143. November 16-19, 6th International Conference of the Greening of Industry Network will be held in Santa Barbara, CA; contact Monica Dunne, School of Environmental Science and Management, 4670 Physical Sciences North, University of California, Santa Barbara, CA 93106; (805) 893-7979. November 17-19, "New Opportunities in Composting and Organics Recycling" will be held in Dallas/Forth Worth, TX; contact BioCycle, 1-800-661-4905. November 21-23, Advanced Organic Vegetable Farming Workshop will be held in Hudson Valley, N.Y.; contact Regional Farm & Food Project, 27 Elm St., Albany, N.Y. 12202; (518) 426-9331. From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 15:04:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03681; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25706; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id LAA25623 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id LAA25620 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s03.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.163]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00101; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970930080253.007a4870@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:02:53 -0700 To: sanet-mg From: sal Cc: smallfarm-outgoing@maat.reeusda.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 Center for Urban Agriculture Sept. 16 1997 Dear Santa Barbara Organic Farmer, Recent proposals by both the State and Federal governments are threatening to require that we spend more and more time filling out forms,paying fees,and handling the requirements of an ever growing bureaucracy established to regulate "Organic". there is something wrong when those who are trying to straighten out agriculture are being taxed and burdened with inspections and paperwork while those who continue to pollute and deplete are subsidized and allowed to continue, Many of those who supported the move to have the state and federal governments police our movement and those who sought approval from Uncle Sam have quickly realized that they made the proverbial deal with the devil. Unfortunately it is too late to stop the weels of bureaucracy, we will need to gather together (in the way that this movement was originally built) and ask ourselves some difficult questions. The undersigned invite you to a meeting at 7:00 pm Monday October 6, in the Music Room of the Montessori school located at 401N. fairview ave. (across the street from the Goleta Public Library and Fairview Gardens). Please park in the back parking lot, walk through the gate in the middle of the fence. there is a map on the gate showing the location of the Music Room. Please come join us to both educate ourselves on how the new legislation will effect us and to seek ways that we can help each other through the mire this will create., ------Hey Hey whats that sound every one look whats going down!--------- I grow organic and am certified by CCOF and also have to pay the state of >>>Ca. to sell organic soon the feds will also tax us to sell organic and >>this is way too much regulation. >Do you think organic certification should be eliminated completely? Obviously I can't speak for Sal, but he is one of the people who pays my salary in working for the organization that certifies him. Our members believe in certification, otherwise they wouldn't join. And most are painfully aware of the fraud of which you speak. Our members overwhelmingly supported the state and federal law under the assumption that fraud would be sharply reduced, benefitting both consumers and legitimate organic producers. However, at this point certification in California and most of the rest of the country is optional for those who label their product as organic. Registration fees did not go to enforcement the first year or two ('91-'92) and were instead commingled with the general fund in the state at the time of fiscal gridlock. This led to growing discontent among our members toward the law. While the funds were restored to the program, and things improved, many of our members are still disappointed with what they are getting for the hundreds of thousands of dollars they contribute to the California registration program on top of what we charge them to be certified. Even when certification becomes mandatory for producers who sell more than $5,000 worth of product, people will still have the choice of whether to label their product as organic or not. However, the prospect of the Federal government collecting user fees from growers, and from certifiers who will have no choice but to pass those fees on to the growers, The question then becomes who should bear the cost, and are organic farmers paying their fair share or more than their fair share for doing what they believe is the right thing. >Who should pay for this? Here's an idea. How about a tax on pesticides? Unfair, you say? Robbing Peter to pay Paul? Not if you consider .... and hold on to your chair 'cause i'll say it only once .... that organic farmers use pesticides. That's right. Only a small handful of the vast array of pesticides that are out there, and really never as the only means of crop protection. Most of them are relatively innocuous, like soap, Bt, garlic. Yet in California, the mil tax on a pound of any of those products is the same as the tax on, say, aldicarb, methyl bromide or parathion. Even in simplistic terms, why should farmers pay the same tax on Category III pesticide (the least acutely toxic) as they do on those in Category I (the most toxic)? If a given pesticide causes relatively few injuries, is not persistant on food or in the environment, and causes relatively little collateral damage, pound for pound, where is the justice in taxing that the same as a product that contaminates groundwater, depletes ozone or inhibits cholinesterase in nearby schoolchildren? Our members wanted to see the mil tax applied to funding the enforcement of the organic act, but the legislature received enormous pressure from the agrichemical complex to lower the mil tax during the last legislative session. We were one of the few voices among agricultural producers who favored maintaining the mil tax and fought the efforts to cut it about 25%. >But do you think consumers would want to pay the same >price for your goods if they weren't certified organic? >After all, isn't that what being >organic is really all about? People who truly care about the environment are >willing to make sacrifices. That's why many consumers of organic products are >willing to pay a higher price for those goods. When people buy food produced by methods that pollute water and air, poison farmworkers, kill wildlife and leave higher residual levels of carcinogenic pesticides, they are getting more than what they pay for. They have this choice, and choose overwhelmingly to buy non-organic instead of organic food. Yet most consumers, when surveyed, don't want to cause this kind of destruction. To use economic jargon, organic farmers internalize many if not most of these internal costs. That makes their costs of production higher and therefore requires that they receive a higher price in order to remain economically viable. Organic food is not perfect, but IMHO it is our best alternative. It is not that organic food is too expensive, it is that conventional food doesn't reflect the full cost of production. Production methods for all farmers will improve if we stop penalizing those who protect the environment and make the polluter pay. Sal said ---I don't think organic growers should have to pay one extra cent to grow and sell their organic food as organic. From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 15:18:33 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04008; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29511; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id NAA02438 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id NAA02435 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp25.1stnet.com [206.104.46.25]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19412 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: <343139BF.367B@1stnet.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:41:19 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: composted sewage sludge in organic agriculture? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 Dear SANettters, Can anyone tell me if composted sewage sludge (a.k.a. biosolids) is used anywhere in the United States on farms growing crops without manmade chemical pesticides, growth regulators, or manmade fertilizers --that is, in certified organic production? Thanks. Susan Snow consumer of certified organic foods and products From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Tue Sep 30 18:26:38 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA09254; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22705; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id RAA14427 for sanet-real; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id RAA14424 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Agrisysdc@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA04039 for sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970930172631_761209961@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu cc: Agrisys1@aol.com Subject: Global & U.S. Reports on Organic Market MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.20636.emout16.mail.aol.com.875654791" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.20636.emout16.mail.aol.com.875654791 Content-ID: <0_20636_875654791@emout16.mail.aol.com.10995> Content-type: text/plain We are pleased to announce the release of two reports on the market for organic products and the rate of farmland conversion to organic production methods. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ng13@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-PH: V4.1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2(a) -- ListProcessor by CREN X-UIDL: 20b56b2ed296c37a5cf5af86d33dc1cd +>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+ COURSE POST SAEd-Share-L This post contains a syllabus of a course in the broad category of agricultural and food system sustainable development. This syllabus is an updated version from first posting October 1995. SAEd-Share-L welcomes additional contributions of similar courses at any type of higher educational setting to share with other educators. Regards, Nancy Grudens-Schuck, list manager, SAEd-Share-L +>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+ Educator: Dr. Tom Lyson Course Title: Sustainable Agriculture and Development Level: Mainly graduate with some undergraduate Institution: Department of Rural Sociology, Warren Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, 14853, U.S.A; E-mail: tal2@cornell.edu Language: English First posting: October 1995 Date of Update: September 1997 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE AND DEVELOPMENT Fall 1997 Overview: This seminar focuses on the social, economic and political foundations of sustainable agriculture and the linkages of agriculture to development. The course deals with issues of sustainability and development in both advanced industrial countries and in Third World countries. The term sustainable agriculture has many synonyms, including alternative agriculture, low-input agriculture, organic farming, regenerative agriculture, bio-dynamic farming, ecological agriculture, and the like. In its broadest form, sustainable agriculture implies a concern with the economic, environmental, and social/community aspects of farming within a local/regional context. 'Conventional' or 'mainstream' agriculture, on the other hand, gives primacy to the economics and profitability of farming within a national and global context. The course begins with an historical overview of sustainable agriculture (The Holy Earth) in week 2 and then turns to an in- depth examination of the theoretical roots of the conventional agriculture paradigm in week 3. The guiding question for week 3 is "How and why did the assumptions embedded in neoclassical economics emerge as the orienting framework for 'modern' agriculture in the U.S. and in the Third World?" The emergence of an 'alternative' or sustainable paradigm during the last 10 years is the focus of the next section of the course. Various critiques of the conventional paradigm are examined and the dimensions of the newly forming paradigm will be discussed (week 4). Indigenous knowledge and farmer-to-farmer transfers of skills and practices (Farmer First) is the focus of week 5. Beth Barham will lead a discussion of sustainable agriculture as a social movement in week 6. She will specifically focus on the work of Karl Polanyi. Week 7 is spent examining the Goldschmidt Hypothesis. Nearly 50 years ago Walter Goldschmidt, an anthropologist working in the Central Valley of California, proposed that the quality of life and level of living of rural residents was directly tied to the organizational basis of farming. Since his report was published, there have been over 40 replications. His conclusions raise questions about the relationship between civic welfare and economic organization that extend beyond farming. Week 8 thru 11 deal with a variety of topics that are related to the nexus between sustainable agriculture and development. These include biotechnology and sustainable agriculture (Chicken Little, Tomato Sauce and Agriculture: Who Will Produce Tomorrow's Food?) (week 8) and local and global perspectives on sustainable agriculture and development (weeks 9, 10 and 11). Week 12 is devoted to understanding the food system from a sustainable perspective (From Land to Mouth). Following this, we will turn to an examination of the policy options that can lead to a more sustainable agriculture (week 13). Readings: The following books have been ordered and are available at the Cornell University Bookstore. All are in paperback. Bailey, Liberty Hyde. 1915. The Holy Earth. Ithaca: New York State College of Agriculture. Chambers, Robert, Arnold Pacey, and Lori Ann Thrupp. 1989. Farmer First. London: Intermediate Technology Publications. The Ecologist, Vol. 26, No. 6/December 1996. Food Insecurity: Who Gets to Eat? Gussow, Joan Dye. 1991. Chicken Little, Tomato Sauce and Agriculture: Who Will Produce Tomorrow's Food? New York: Bootstrap Press. Kneen, Brewster. 1993. From Land to Mouth. Toronto: NC Press Limited. In addition, all of the required readings have been reproduced and are available at K.C. Copies (118 Dryden Ave. in Collegetown). All of the required readings are also available on two hour reserve in Mann Library. Expectations: Students are expected to have read all of the required readings before class. Each week two to four students will be designated leaders for organizing the class session. Students have a great deal of latitude in organizing the class sessions. In the past, students have organized 'role playing' situations, written and distributed discussion questions for the readings, organized debates around the topic of the week, and brought in guest speakers or videos to complement the readings. A sign-up sheet will be circulated the second week of class. The goal is to have all class members serve as session leaders at least two times during the semester. Case Study, Term Paper, or Annotated Bibliography Every student is required to complete one major assignment for the course. This assignment can take one of three forms: 1) A term paper on a topic related to the course (15-20 double spaced pages; 2) An annotated bibliography of at least 20 sources organized around one of the topics covered in the course; 3) A case study about some aspect of sustainable agriculture. Students who choose to write a case study must attend a one hour 'working lab' several times during the semester. The laboratory is designed to assist students in the preparation of their case studies. The set of case studies produced by the students will be published and distributed by the Farming Alternatives Program as part of their community agriculture development effort. There will be no mid-term or final examination in the course. Grades will be based on participation in class discussions, organization of class sessions, and the term paper/annotated bibliography/case study. SANET: The sustainable agriculture bulletin board As part of the course, students may wish to subscribe to and monitor the sustainable agriculture bulletin board -- sanet-mg. Sanet serves as a worldwide forum for all topics related to sustainable agriculture. About 80% of the postings are from North America. Several sustainable agriculture newsletters as well as job listings, bibliographies, and inquiries from researchers and practioners comprise the bulk of the material on sanet. A typical day will see between six and eight postings, though occasionally a controversial topic may generate between 20 and 30 postings a day. To subscribe to sanet send the following command to almanac@ces.ncsu.edu subscribe sanet-mg If you wish to unsubscribe to sanet after the semester, send the following command to almanac@ces.ncsu.edu unsubscribe sanet-mg Note, do not send anything else in the body of the message except 'subscribe sanet-mg' or 'unsubscribe sanet-mg'. COURSE SCHEDULE Week 1: Introduction (September 1) Week 2: The Historical Roots of Sustainable Agriculture and Development (September 8) Bailey, Liberty Hyde. 1915. The Holy Earth. Ithaca: New York State College of Agriculture. Week 3: Conventional Agriculture and Development: The Neoclassical Paradigm (September 15) Urban, Thomas N. 1991. "Agricultural industrialization: It's inevitable." Choices 6(4):4-6. Drabenscott, Mark. 1994. "Industrialization: Steady current or tidal wave?" Choices 9(4):4-8. Hurt, Chris. 1994. "Industrialization in the pork industry." Choice 9(4):9-13. Boehlje, Michael. 1996. "Industrialization of agriculture: what are the implications?" Choices 11(1):30-33. Avery, Dennis T. 1997. "Environmentally sustaining agriculture." Choices 12(1):10-14. Bunyard, Peter. 1996. "Industrial agriculture -- driving climate change. The Ecologist 26(6):290-298. Tweeten, Luther. 1993. "Agriculture, government and cults." Presented to symposium on Uncle Sam, Markets and Morality: The Role of Government in Agriculture. Waldorf College, Forest City, Iowa (April 22). Week 4: Sustainable Agriculture and Development: Neoclassical Critique and Paradigm Shift (September 22) Beus, Curtis E. and Riley E. Dunlap. 1990. "Conventional versus alternative agriculture: The paradigmatic roots of the debate." Rural Sociology 55(4):590-616. Jackson, Wes. 1990. "Making sustainable agriculture work." Pp. 132-141 in Robert Clark (ed.) Our Sustainable Table. San Francisco: North Point Press. Ikerd, John. 1994. "On defining sustainable agriculture." Paper posted on Sanet-mg. Lyson, Thomas A. and Elizabeth Barham. 1997. "Civil society and agricultural sustainability." Unpublished paper, Department of Rural Sociology, Cornell University. Flora, Cornelia. 1995. "Social capital and sustainability: agriculture and communities in the Great Plains and Corn Belt." In H.K. Schwarzweller and T.A. Lyson (eds.), Research in Rural Sociology and Development: Focus on Sustainable Development. Week 5: Indigenous Knowledge and Agricultural Development (September 29) Chambers, Robert, Arnold Pacey and Lori Ann Thrupp (eds.). 1989. Farmer First: Farmer Innovation and Agricultural Research. London: Intermediate Technology Publications, Week 6: Social Movements for Sustainable Agriculture (October 6) Barham, Elizabeth. 1997. "Social movements for sustainable agriculture in France: a Polanyian perspective." Society and Natural Resources 10:239-49. Barham, Elizabeth. 1996. "Karl Polanyi and the issue of food security." Unpublished paper, Department of Rural Sociology, Cornell University. Harwood, Richard R. 1990. "A history of sustainable agriculture." Pp. 3-19 in Sustainable Agriculture Systems, edited by Clive Edwards et al. Ankeney, Iowa: Soil and Water Conservation Society. Week 7: The Goldschmidt Hypothesis: Agricultural Structure and Community Well-Being (October 20) Goldschmidt, Walter. 1946. "Small business and the community: A study in the Central Valley of California on the effects of scale of farm operation." Report of the Special Committee to Study Problems of American Small Business, U.S. Senate, 79th Congress, 2nd Session, Committee Print 13. Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office. Goldschmidt, Walter. 1978. "Agribusiness and political power." Pp. 455-491 in As You Sow. Montclair, NJ: Allanheld, Osmun and Co., Publishers. MacCannell, Dean. 1988. "Industrial agriculture and rural community degradation." Pp. 15-75 in L.E. Swanson (ed.), Agriculture and Community Change in the U.S. Boulder, CO: Westview Press. Week 8: Biotechnology and Sustainable Agriculture (October 27 Gussow, Joan Dye. 1991. Chicken Little, Tomato Sauce and Agriculture: Who Will Produce Tomorrow's Food? New York: Bootstrap Press. Week 9: Local Perspectives on Sustainable Agriculture and Development (November 3) Waters, Alice. 1990. "The Farm -- Restaurant Connection." Pp. 113-124 in Robert Clark (ed.) Our Sustainable Table. San Francisco: North Point Press. Fieldhouse, Paul. 1996. "Community shared agriculture." Agriculture and Human Values 13(3):43-47. Hamm, Michael W. 1993. "The potential for a localized food supply in New Jersey." Paper presented at the Environment, Culture and Food Equity Conference. Penn State University (June). Kloppenburg, Jack, John Hendrickson, and G.W. Stevenson. 1995. "Coming into the foodshed." In W. Vitek and W. Jackson (eds.), Home Territories: Essays on Community and the Land. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press. Lyson, Thomas A. and Judy Green. 1997. "The agricultural marketscape: implications of alternative food systems for communities and landscapes in the Northeast." Unpublished paper, Department of Rural Sociology, Cornell University. Center for Rural Affairs. 1988. "Agriculture: A foundation for rural economic development." Center for Rural Affairs Newsletter, November SR-5 - SR-8. Week 10: Community Agriculture Development (November 10) Duncan Hilchey and Judy Green from the Farming Alternatives Program will organize this session Lyson, Thomas A., Gilbert Gillespie, and Duncan Hilchey. 1995. "Farmer's markets and the local community: bridging the formal and informal economy." American Journal of Alternative Agriculture 10(3):108-113. Garnett, Tara. 1996. "Farming the city: the potential of urban agriculture. The Ecologist 26(6):299-307. Farming Alternatives Program. 1997. Farming for the Future: A Guide to Sustaining Agriculture in Your Community. Community Agriculture Development Series, Farming Alternatives Program, Cornell University. Farming Alternatives Program. 1994. Community Agriculture Development" Profile of 32 Initiatives in New York State. Community Agriculture Development Series, Farming Alternatives Program, Cornell University. Week 11: Global Perspectives on Sustainable Agriculture and Development (November 17) Goldberg, Ray A. 1993. "New international linkages shaping the U.S. food system." Choices 8(4):15-17. Watkins, Kevin. 1996. "Free trade and farm fallicies: from the Uruguay Round to the Wolrd Food Summit. The Ecologist 26(6):244- 255. Friedland, William H. 1994. "The global fresh fruit and vegetable system: An industrial organization analysis." Pp. 173-189 in P. McMichael (ed.), The Global Restructuring of Agro-Food Systems. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press. Avery, Natalie, Martine Drake and Tim Lang. 1993. "Codex alimentarius." The Ecologist 23(3):110-112. Steinbrecher, Ricarda A. 1996. "From Green Revolution to gene revolution: the environmental risks of genetially engineered crops. The Ecologist 26(6):273-281. Lehman, Karen and Al Krebs. 1996. "Control of the world's food supply." Pp. 122-130 in J. Mander and E. Goldsmith (eds.), The Case Against the Global Economy. San Francisco: Sierra Club Books. Shiva, Vandana and Rdha Holla-Bhar. 1996. "Piracy by patent: the case of the neem tree." Pp. 146-159 in J. Mander and E. Goldsmith (eds.), The Case Against the Global Economy. San Francisco: Sierra Club Books. Week 12: Understanding the Food System (November 24) Kneen, Brewster. 1993. From Land to Mouth. Toronto: NC Press Limited. Week 13: Policy Options (December 1) Lappe, Francis Moore. "Food, Farming and Democracy." Pp. 143-160 in Robert Clark (ed.) Our Sustainable Table. San Francisco: North Point Press. Stauber, Karl N. 1994. "The futures of agriculture." American Journal of Alternative Agriculture 9(1/2):9-15. Gillespie, Gilbert W., Jr. 1995. "Sustainable agriculture and prospects for rural community development in the United States. Pp. 167-191 in H.K. Schwarzweller and T.A. Lyson (eds.), Research in Rural Sociology and Development: Sustainable Agriculture and Rural Communities, Vol. 6. Greenwich, CT: Jai Press. Rambo, Terry. 1997. "The fallacy of global sustainable development." Asia Pacific Issues, No. 30. East-West Center. End Syllabus *************************** Nancy Grudens Schuck Doctoral Candidate Department of Education 119 Kennedy Hall Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 U.S.A. E-mail: ng13@cornell.edu FAX: (607) 255-7905 *************************** ------=_NextPart_000_01BCCDCA.9DD681E0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from listproc2.mail.cornell.edu (LISTPROC2.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.56.15]) by pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/FNG) with SMTP id OAA18484 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:04:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by listproc2.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06440; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:17:02 -0400 Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.56.7]) by listproc2.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA03942 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:41:43 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13666 for SAED-SHARE-L@listproc2.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [132.236.155.195] (CU-DIALUP-1221.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.155.195]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13540 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:00:31 +0000 Reply-To: SAED-SHARE-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-SAED-SHARE-L@cornell.edu Precedence: bulk From: ng13@cornell.edu (Nancy Grudens Schuck) To: SAEd-Share-L@cornell.edu Subject: COURSE POST SAED: Dick Richardson, Natural Resource Management, University of Texas, U.S.A. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sender: ng13@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-PH: V4.1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2(a) -- ListProcessor by CREN X-UIDL: 686bf950d42c70cde82c00341c83d0ce +>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+ COURSE POST SAEd-Share-L This post contains a syllabus of a course in the broad category of agricultural and food system sustainable development. This syllabus is mainly available on the Web, but this post contains the background information that is presented to students. SAEd-Share-L welcomes additional contributions of similar courses at any type of higher educational setting to share with other educators. Regards, Nancy Grudens-Schuck, list manager, SAEd-Share-L >+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+ Educator: Dr. R.H. (Dick) Richardson Course Title: "Natural Resource Management" at URL: http://www.utexas.edu/courses/resource Level: Graduate and undergraduate Institution: Zoology Department, University of Texas, Austin, Texas, 78712, U.S.A. Phone: (512) 471-9651; E-mail: d.richardson@mail.utexas.edu >Language: English Date of First Post: September 29, 1997 > >+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+ > Dear SAEd subscribers: This course is really worth a look on the Web at URL: http://www.utexas.edu/courses/resource where it is available for use by Dick Richardson's students in this course on Natural Resource Managment. Dick is a long time SAEd-Subscrdiber. He has not only based his course on Holistic Management (TM) ideas, but provides his students with experiential learning opportunties like structured group work, structured self-reflection and assessment, and interesting case studies. Dick once told me that his course does not have 'agriculture' in the title, but is 'all about' sustainable agriculture, and I could not agree more. I have provided the text from only one of Dick's Web sites so that you may see some of the content. However, you will learn more about Dick's organization and goals if you visit the several Web pages that he has created for the course. These Web pages do more than simply provide text to students: Dick says that the Web is an integral part of the course. He teaches the course in the spring so the Web pages may undergo some change from this time until the course begins again. Regards, Nancy GS ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Natural Resource Management > Dick Richardson > >BACKGROUND > >Natural Resource Management involves two courses, one at the undergraduate >level (Zoology 470C), and the other at the graduate level (Zoology 384L). >They are combined in order to take advantage of having two levels of >student >expertise working together. A similar team composition is common in the >"real world" of business or government or non-governmental agencies (NGOs). >The graduate students will have an opportunity to use their advanced >training in their specialty and in environmental sciences, and they will >refine their technical skills in leading a team to accomplish one or more >objectives, publication of a report. They will learn, and lead a team, in a >holistic decision process to reach the project objectives. The >undergraduates are expected to have modest or advanced technical knowledge >in biology and environmental sciences, but are expected to be inexperienced >in the application of this knowledge in management. In most cases, neither >graduate nor undergraduate students are expected to have experience working >in a team and making decisions holistically. Outside of academic circles, >team work is the norm, and requires a different set of skills, whether one >is the leader or a member of the team. For individuals who prefer to work >alone, team work is not only possible, but often depends upon such people t= o >"go away" for a while and finish a task and return to interface with the >rest of the team. Teamwork does not mean exclusively working "in the same >harness" but working in a coordinated way to accomplish a specified >objective. > >All students will begin managing natural resources with their own lives. A >simple measure, their ecological footprint, will be calculated and >periodically evaluated by each individual. The general implications will be >a backdrop for all activities in the course. > > OBJECTIVES > >Objectives are similar in graduate and undergraduate courses, but some >differences apply since the graduate students will be Team Leaders. The >objectives apply to three areas, Teamwork, Management Procedures, and >Consensus Building. Each team will develop the objectives for their project >that employ the research skills and scientific foundations. > >Management Procedures > >Both graduate and undergraduate students will be expected to accomplish the >following: > > 1. Calculate a personal "Ecological Footprint" and determine ways to > reduce the area of land that is needed to provide the natural resource= s > for personal existence. > 2. Describe how their personal decisions are made, and organize this > procedure into a "decision making flow-chart". > 3. Draft a holistic goal for oneself, or collaboratively for one's > immediate family, identify the "whole" that is affected by and utilize= d > in personal decisions, and begin to make holistic decisions in > day-to-day activities. > 4. Draft a holistic goal for different management units in a variety of > circumstances (supplied as exercises) and involving different people i= n > order to compare holistic decisions to those made using a "conventiona= l > decision process". > 5. Contribute to team objectives in the analysis of decision making > processes of a cooperating organization that "hosts" the team, and > suggest how holistic decisions would differ from existing decisions. > 6. Write a term report with their team on their project, which will be > "published" on the web site for the course, and, if of excellent > quality will be submitted for peer review for formal publication in an > electronic journal. (The completion of a formal publication will exten= d > beyond the end of the class, and will not be part of the class grade.) > >Teamwork > >An undergraduate student will be expected to accomplish the following: > > 1. Identify their optimum role(s) in a team that utilizes their skills an= d > knowledge to compliment other members of their team to accomplish one > or more objectives. > 2. Take responsibility to work with leader and team members to monitor an= d > improve team effectiveness in reaching the objective(s). > 3. Participate in a team with high personal commitment to maximize the > team's effectiveness. > 4. Apply knowledge from courses and experience and take initiative to > gather other information or obtain skills as needed to accomplish the > team's objective(s). > 5. Carry out responsibilities as a team member, with a commitment to high > quality work completed "on time". This includes preparing parts of the > final report in a form that are clearly written, accurate, and > contribute to successful completion of the team's objectives. (Only > those willing to carry through to publication will be included on the > list of authors, should the team report qualify for submission for > formal publication.) > >A graduate student will be expected to accomplish the following: > > 1. Identify the strengths of team members, and organize these in an > effective way to accomplish one or more objectives. > 2. Build the collaborative dynamics in a team, serving as a catalyst for > members feeling they are valuable members with pride in the success of > the team. > 3. Facilitate and instruct the team in the consensus building process, an= d > guide the decisions using the holistic management decision making > process. > 4. Organize the initial plan to accomplish the objectives, and then > facilitate adaptive improvements with the contributions from the team > throughout the team's work schedule. (This may mean any degree of > revising the plan, provided the revisions produce a better plan. > Adaptations to changing circumstances, new information, or other > "corrections" in objectives or strategies are part of holistic > management.) > 5. Organize the writing of the report that presents the team's results > that accomplish the objective(s) or revised objectives, and take the > lead in blending results into a document suitable for formal > publication. > >Consensus Building > >Both graduate and undergraduate students will be expected to accomplish the >following: > > 1. Describe and characterize the differences between working with > "collaboration" and working with "consensus." (These will be discussed > in class.) > 2. Facilitate and skillfully participate in groups to create > consensus-based actions. > 3. Show how groups functioning with consensus and using the holistic > decision making process can effectively manage natural resources in > sustainable, or even regenerative, ways. When such a result is deemed > impossible, then a student will identify the restrictions that prevent > such management. > >Maintained by Dick Richardson >d.richardson@mail.utexas.edu >Last updated 02/17/97: Copyright=A9 1997 R. H. Richardson. > >End syllabus *************************** Nancy Grudens Schuck Doctoral Candidate Department of Education 119 Kennedy Hall Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 U.S.A. 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Wash. Univ., U.S.A Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sender: ng13@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-PH: V4.1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2(a) -- ListProcessor by CREN X-UIDL: 4e9b2896f9e4be9ecaeed8fb2a1905dc Status: U +>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+ COURSE POST SAEd-Share-L This post contains a syllabus of a course in the broad category of agricultural and food system sustainable development. This syllabus was first posted in May 1997 and has not been substantially changed. SAEd-Share-L welcomes additional contributions of similar courses at any type of higher educational setting to share with other educators. Regards, Nancy Grudens-Schuck, list manager, SAEd-Share-L +>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+ Educator: Dr. Gigi Berardi Course Title: Agroecology and Sustainable Agriculture Level: Undergraduate Institution: Dept. of Geography and Environmental Social Sciences MS 9085 Western Washington University, Bellingham, WA 98225 E-mail: gberardi@cc.wwu.edu Language: English =46irst post: May 1997 Date of Repost: September 29, 1997 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Agroecology and Sustainable Agriculture Gigi Berardi Western Washington University > > >Objectives of the Course: > > The objectives of the course are to provide an overview of key concepts, > theories, and methodologies in agroecology, and to give students direct > experience and knowledge of sustainable agriculture and horticulture > practices and principles. Students also will gain proficiency in ecologica= l > concepts and principles applied to the design and management of sustainabl= e > food production systems, and technologies and policies that promote energy= , > soil, and water conservation. > > > > >Course Structure and Evaluation: > > This is an upper-division seminar. This implies certain responsibilities > for all participants. Attendance and participation are required. Students > are expected to keep a journal or notebook. The journal is a reflective > record of the readings for the following week, and your response to it. > Focus on the themes that you feel most comfortable expanding upon and > review them weekly. Besides the assigned material, the journal should > include other material that you have read in the past or are currently > reading. It also should include some reflections on the Sustainable > Agriculture/Development List Server/E-mail Discussion Group > (SAED-SHARE-L@Cornell.edu; we will help you subscribe to the Group). To th= e > extent that you can, make sure that you also draw on your own experiences. > See attached sheet on "Journals" for more information. > > > >Journals are due Monday of each week at 4pm, beginning April 7 (so the > >entries for April 7 will need to cover the readings for the first two > >weeks of the course), in Gigi Berardi's mailbox in AH 217. They will be > >returned during class on Wednesday. > > >In addition, students will be asked to write one take-home midterm exam > >and to complete a term project. The project will also include a class > >presentation. The presentation, which will be based on your project, is > >essentially a seminar. You will in effect be teaching class, so you can > >run it anyway you feel effectively communicates information to the rest o= f > >the class. > > >It is recommended that students select from one of the following topics > >for their term project: > > >A Farm Plan for a Mixed Crop/Dairy Operation in Whatcom County > > > >Soils and Land Capability Assessment for Agricultural Lands in Whatcom or > >Snohomish Counties/Agricultural History Survey > > > >A Soil Microbiology Study (taxonomic units and population densities; > >effects of mulches and cover crops). > > > >A Design for a CSA Operation for Whatcom or Snohomish Counties/Western > >Washington (including designing a field trip) > > > >Investigation of the History Behind Familiar Features of our Rural > >Landscape and the Philosophical Concern for "Place" (including designing > >an experiential education curriculum/field trip) > > > >Agroecological/Botanical History of Local and Seasonal Foods (with > >attention to the environmental quality of the agroecosystem in which the > >foods are grown and processed). > > > >We will discuss these and other options for the project together in class= . > > > >Grades and Grading: > > > >The final grade* in the course will be based on -- > > > > Writing assignments (including a class journal and a self-assessment) > >(worth 30%) > > > > A term project/paper (worth 50%) > > > >=FA A midterm exam (worth 20%). > > >*Please note that attendance and participation are required in this > >course. You will need to regularly attend the field trips. > > >Required Texts: > > > >Altieri, Miguel. 1995. Agroecology: The Scientific Basis of Alternative > >Agriculture. > > > >Berardi, Gigi, ed. ENVR 410, SPRING 1997, Readings. Bellingham, WA: 1997. > > > >Recommended Texts: > > > >Dillman, Don A. 1994. Against All Odds: Rural Community in the >Information Age. > > > >Fitchen, Janet. 1991. Endangered Spaces, Enduring Places: Change, > >Identity, and Survival in Rural America. > > > >Oregon State University Extension Service. 1993. A Sustainable Resource > >Guide for Oregon and Washington. > > > >Tentative Outline and Readings > > > >NB: Readings marked with a * are in the class reader. > > > > Copies of the recommended readings are available from Gigi > > > > Berardi. > > > >Week 1 Apr. 2-4 Overview > > > -Discussion of projects and sustainability study resources > > > >Required Readings: Altieri, Agroecology, Chapters 1 and 6. > > > >*Harwood, Richard R. 1990. A History of Sustainable Agriculture. In > >Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. 3-19. > > > >*Lovins, Amory, L. Hunter-Lovins, and M. Bender. 1984. Energy and > >Agriculture. In Meeting the Expectations of the Land, Wes Jackson et al, > >eds., pp. 68-86. > > > >*Waltner-Toews, David. 1996. Ecosystem health -- A framework for > >implementing sustainability in agriculture. BioScience. pp. 686-689. > > > >Week 2 Apr. 9-11 > Socio-Economic Consequences and Challenges > of Agricultural Technologies: A Historical Perspective > > > -Regional geography of agriculture > > > -Size, scale, and structure issues in agriculture > > > -Agroecology > > > > FIELD TRIP > > > > > > > >Required Readings: Berardi, Gigi M., and Charles G. Geisler, eds. > >1984. The Social Consequences and Challenges of New Agricultural > >Technologies, Chapters 3-7 (The Influence of Farm Machinery on Production > >and Labor, Technology on the Farm, The Social Effects of Recent Trends in > >the Mechanization of Agriculture, The Impact of Mechanization of > >Agriculture on the Farm Population of the South, Social Aspects of Farm > >Mechanization in Oklahoma). (ON RESERVE) > > > >*Cronon, William. 1983. A World of Fields and Fences. In Changes in > >the Land: Indians, Colonists, and the Ecology of New England, pp 127-156= . > > > > > >*Flora, Cornelia B. 1990. Sustainability of Agriculture and Rural > >Communities. In Sustainable Agriculture in Temperate Zones, Charles A. > >Francis et al, eds., pp. 343-358. > > > >*Goldschmidt, Walter. 1978. As You Sow: Three Studies in the Social > >Consequences of Agribusiness, pp. xxiii-liv; 455-491. > > > >Week 3 Apr. 16-18 Agriculture and Human Values > > > -Local agricultural histories > > > -Rural landscape and the philosophical concern for "place" > > > (evening) AGROECOSYSTEM SIMULATION > > > > FIELD TRIP > > > > > > > >Required Readings: *Berry, Wendell. 1977. The Unsettling of America: > >Culture and Agriculture, pp. 3-14, 39-48, 51-79. > > > >*Jackson, Wes. 1987. Meeting the Expectations of the Land. Altars of > >Unhewn Stone: Science and the Earth, pp. 63-76. > > > >*Kittridge, William. 1987. Owning It All, pp. 55-71. > > > >*Logsdon, Gene. 1984. The Importance of Traditional Farming Practices > >for a Sustainable Modern Agriculture. In Meeting the Expectations of the > >Land, Wes Jackson et al, eds., pp. 3-18. > > > >*Nearing, Helen and Scott. 1970. Our Good Earth. Living the Good Life= , > >pp. 83-106. > > > >*Snyder, Gary. 1984. Good, Wild, Sacred. In Meeting the Expectations o= f > >the Land, Wes Jackson et al, eds., pp. 195-207. > > > >Recommended Readings: Clancy, Katherine L. 1990. Agriculture and Human > >Health. In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, > >eds., pp. 655-665. > > > >Dillman, Don A. 1994. Against All Odds: Rural Community in the Informatio= n > >Age. (skim) > > > >Fitchen, Janet. 1991. Endangered Spaces, Enduring Places: Change, > >Identity, and Survival in Rural America. (skim) > > > >Rodale, Robert. 1990. Sustainability: An Opportunity for Leadership. > >In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. > >77-86. > > > >Viederman, Stephen. 1990. A Matter of Commitment. In Sustainable > >Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. 666-673. > > > > >Week 4 Apr. 23-25 Agroecosystems > > > -Soils, soil and water conservation > > > -Farm plans > > > > FIELD TRIP > > > >Required Readings: Altieri, Agroecology, Chapters 3, 4, 5, and 8. > > > >*Matheson, Bill. 1996. Rural Property Planning Land Care, pp. 15-20, > >73-92, 93-102, 103-114. > > > >Recommended Readings: Gliessman, Stephen R. 1990. Understanding the > >Basis of Sustainability for Agriculture in the Tropics:Experiences in > >Latin America. In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et > >al, eds., pp. 378-390. > > > >Matheson, Bill. 1996. Rural Property Planning Land Care, remainder of th= e > >book. (ON RESERVE) > > > >Okigbo, Bede N. 1990. Sustainable Agricultural Systems in Tropical > >Africa. In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, > >eds., pp. 323-352. > > >Week 5 Apr. 30- Components of Sustainable Agroecosystems > > > May 2 (Resources and Practices) > > > -Soil and water conservation, cont. > > > >Required Readings: Altieri, Agroecology, Chapters 9, 10, 11, and 17. > > > >*Hauptli, Holly, David Katz, Bruce R. Thomas, and Robert Goodman. > >1990. Biotechnology and Crop Breeding for Sustainable Agriculture. In > >Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. > >141-156. > > > >*Jenny, Hans. 1984. The Making and Unmaking of a Fertile Soil. In > >Meeting the Expectations of the Land, Wes Jackson et al, eds., pp. 42-55= . > > > >*Paoletti, Maurizio G., and D. Pimentel. 1996. Genetic Engineering in > >Agriculture and the Environment. BioScience. pp. 665-673. > > > >Recommended Readings: Altieri, Agroecology, Chapters 12, 13, 14, and 15. > > > >Brady, Nyle C. 1996. The Nature and Properties of Soils, Chapters 10, 13= , > >14, and 16. > > > >King, Larry D. 1990. Soil Nutrient Management in the United States. I= n > >Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. > >89-106. > > > >Laflen, John M., Rattan Lal, and Samir A. El-Swaify 1990. Soil > >Erosion and a Sustainable Agriculture. In Sustainable Agricultural > >Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. 569-581. > > > >Miller, Fred P., and William E. Larson. 1990. Lower Input Effects on > >Soil Productivity and Nutrient Cycling. In Sustainable Agricultural > >Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. 549-568. > > > >Parker, Charles F. 1990. Role of Animals in Sustainable Agriculture. > >In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. > >238-248. > > > > >Week 6 May 7-9 Conversions to Sustainable Systems > > > -Case studies > > > > FIELD TRIP > > >Required Readings: Altieri, Agroecology, Chapter 16. > > > >Berardi, Gigi. 1985. Energy Use in Italian Agriculture: Alternatives to > >Mineral Fertilizers. Biological Agriculture and Horticulture. (ON > >RESERVE) > > > >*Liebhardt, W.C., R.W. Andrews, M.N. Culik, R.R. Harwood, R.R. Janke, > >J.K. Radke, and S.L. Rieger-Schwartz. 1989. Crop Production During > >Conversion from Conventional to Low-InputMethods. Agronomy Journal, pp. > >150-159. > > > >*Lighthall, David R. 1995. Farm Structure and Chemical Use in the Corn > >Belt. Rural Sociology, pp. 505-520. > > > >*Perkins, John H. Undated. Cuba, Mexico, and India: Technical and Socia= l > >Changes in Agriculture During Political Crisis. Unpublished Paper, pp. > >1-41 (Olympia: The Evergreen State College). > > > >*Pimentel, David, Gigi Berardi, and Sarah Fast. 1983. Energy > >Efficiency of Farming Systems: Organic and Conventional Agriculture. > >Agriculture, Ecosystems, and Environment, pp. 359-372. > > > >*Rosset, Peter, and Medea Benjamin. 1994. Cuba's Nationwide Conversio= n > >to Organic Agriculture. Capitalism Nature Socialism: A Journal of > >Socialist Ecology, pp. 79-97. > > > >*Thompson, Richard, Sharon Thompson, and Derrick Exner. 1990. Case > >Study: A Resource-Efficient Farm with Livestock. In Sustainable > >Agriculture in Temperate Zones, Charles A. Francis et al, eds., pp. > >263-280. > > > >Recommended Readings: Andrews, Rebecca W., Steven E. Peters, Rhonda R. > >Janke, and Warren W. Sahs. 1990. Converting ToSustainable Farming > >Systems. In Sustainable Agriculture In Temperate Zones, Charles A. > >Francis et al, eds., pp. 281-314. > > > >Buttel, Frederick H., Gilbert W. Gillespie Jr., and Allison Power. 1990= . > >Sociological Aspects ofAgricultural Sustainability in the United States: > >A New York State Case Study. In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A= . > >Edwards et al, eds., pp. 515-532. > > > >Cordray, S.M., L.S. Lev, R.P. Dick, and H. Murray. 1993. > >Sustainability of Pacific Northwest Horticultural Producers. Journal of > >Production Agriculture, pp. 121-125. > > > >Gliessman, Stephen G., M.R. Werner, S.L. Sweezey, E. Caswell, J. > >Cochran, and F. Rosado-May. 1994. Conversion to an Organic Strawberr= y > >Production System in Coastal Central California: A Comparative Study > >(Santa Cruz: Agroecology Program, UC Santa Cruz). > > > >Luo, Shi ming, and Chun ru Han. 1990. Ecological Agriculture in China= . > >In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. > >299-322. > > > >Parr, J.F., R.I. Papendick, I.G. Youngberg, R.E. Meyer. 1990. > >Sustainable Agriculture in the United States. In Sustainable Agricultura= l > >Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. 50-67. > > > >Vereijken, P. 1990. Research on Integrated Arable Farming and Organic > >Mixed Farming in the Netherlands. In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, > >Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. 287-298. > > > >Villachica, Hugo, Jose E. Silva, Jose Roberto Peres, and Carlos Magno > >C. da Rocha. 1990. Sustainable Agricultural Systems in the Humid Tropic= s > >of South America. In Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards > >et al, eds., pp. 391-437. > > > >Week 7 May 14-16 Knowledge Systems and Research Approaches > > > -Case studies > > > >Required Readings: Altieri, Agroecology, Chapters 2 and 7. > > > >*Bezdicek, David F., and C. DePhelps. 1994. Innovative Approaches for > >Integrated Research and Educational Programs. American Journal of > >Alternative Agriculture. > > >*Lockeretz, William. 1990. Major Issues Confronting Sustainable > >Agriculture. In Sustainable Agriculture in Temperate Zones, Charles A. > >Francis et al, eds., pp. 423-438. > > > >*Francis, Charles, J. King, J. DeWitt, J. Bushnell, and L. Lucas. > >1990. Participatory Strategies for Information Exchange. American > >Journal of Alternative Agriculture, pp. 153-160. > > > >*Gerber, John M. 1992. Farmer Participation in Research: A Model for > >Adaptive Research and Education. American Journal of Alternative > >Agriculture, pp. 118-121. > > > >*Hassanein, Neva, and J.R. Kloppenburg Jr. 1995. Where the Grass Grows > >Again: Knowledge Exchange in the Sustainable Agriculture Movement. Rura= l > >Sociology, pp. 721-740. > > > >*Kromm, David E., and Stephen E. White. 1991. Reliance On Sources of > >Information for Water-Saving Practices by Irrigators in the High Plains o= f > >the U.S.A. Journal of Rural Studies, pp. 411-421. > > > >*Rzewnicki, Phil. 1991. Farmers Perceptions of Experiment Station > >Research, Demonstrations, and On-Farm Research in Agronomy. Journal of > >Agronomy Education, pp. 31-36. > > > >*Thornley, K. 1990. Involving Farmers in Agricultural Research: A > >Farmers Perspective. American Journal of Alternative Agriculture, pp. > >174-177. > > >Recommended Readings: Hahn, Natalie D. 1990. Compound and Household > >Farming: A Sustainable System for AfricanAgriculture. In Sustainable > >Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. 504-514. > > >Lev, L. S., D. McGrath, H. Murray, and R. D. William. 1993. > >Organizing and Conducting Farmer-Scientist Focus Sessions. Journal of > >Natural Resources and Life Sciences Education, pp. 148-152. > > > >Week 8 May 21-23 Making It Happen: Policies and Economics > > > -Case studies > > > MEMORIAL DAY FIELD TRIP (with Natural Resources Management class) > > > >Required Readings: Harlin, John M., and Gigi M. Berardi, eds. 1987. > >Agricultural Soil Loss: Processes, Policies, and Prospects, Chapters, 12, > >13, 15, and 16. (ON RESERVE) > > > >*Flora, Cornelia B. 1990. Policy Issues and Agricultural Sustainability= . > >In Sustainable Agriculture in Temperate Zones, Charles A. Francis et al, > >eds., pp. 361-370. > > >*Madden, J. Patrick, and Thomas L. Dobbs. 1990. The Role of Economics > >in Achieving Low-Input Farming Systems. Sustainable Agricultural Systems= , > >Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. 459-477. > > > >*National Research Council. 1989. Economic Evaluation of Alternative > >Farming Systems. Alternative Agriculture, pp. 195-244. > > > >Recommended Readings: Barker, Randolph, and Duane Chapman. 1990. The > >Economics of Sustainable Agricultural Systems inDeveloping Countries. In > >Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et al, eds., pp. > >478-494. > > > >Week 9 May 28-30 Future Dimensions of Sustainable Agriculture > > > -Projects > > > PROJECT FIELD TRIP > > >Required Readings: Altieri, Agroecology, Chapter 18. > > > >Firebaugh, Francille M. 1990. Sustainable Agricultural Systems: A > >Concluding View. Sustainable Agricultural Systems, Clive A. Edwards et > >al, eds., pp. 674-676. (ON RESERVE) > > > >Francis, Charles A. 1990. Future Dimensions Of Sustainable Agriculture. > >In Sustainable Agriculture In Temperate Zones, Charles A. Francis et al, > >eds., pp. 439-466. (ON RESERVE) > > >*Jackson, Dana. 1984. The Sustainable Garden. In Meeting the > >Expectations of the Land, Wes Jackson et al, eds., pp. 106-114. > > >*Jackson, Wes. 1987. A Search for the Unifying Concept for Sustainable > >Agriculture. Altars of Unhewn Stone: Science and the Earth, pp. 119-146. > > >_______. 1987. Toward a Common Covenant. Altars of Unhewn Stone: > >Science and the Earth, pp. 147-158 (ON RESERVE) > > > >Snyder, Gary. 1984. Good, Wild, Sacred. Meeting the Expectations of th= e > >Land, Wes Jackson et al, eds., pp. 195-207. (ON RESERVE) > > > >Week 10 June 4-6 Future Dimensions of Sustainable Agriculture > > > -Projects > > > >FINAL MEETING Future Dimensions of Sustainable Agriculture > > > >Thursday, June 12 -Projects > > > >3:30-5:30 End Syllabus *************************** Nancy Grudens Schuck Doctoral Candidate Department of Education 119 Kennedy Hall Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 U.S.A. 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From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 04:10:52 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA21294; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA29858; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id DAA01880 for sanet-real; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 03:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id DAA01877 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 03:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp25.1stnet.com [206.104.46.25]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA06943 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3431FC70.2DD2@1stnet.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 02:32:01 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg Subject: questions about co-mingled compost testing and then some... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 Does anyone know when in the analysis of co-mingled compost takes place? Is it before or after the batteries and other materials in the mix begin to corrode? I've learned that a serious problem with analytical data from MSW compost is that it does not typically pick up these heavy metal levels in the analysis because the batteries are often still intact when the test is done, only to decompose over time and leak their toxic contents years later. It is my understanding that mixed waste composting basically takes the commingled solid waste stream, commercial and residential, and processes it into smaller particles that are subsequently composted. This is contrasted with source-separated composting which takes yard trimmings, food scraps, non-recycled paper, and commercial organics before they are commingled. Mixed solid waste is high in paper and generally very dry, so that many companies use sewage sludge to provide moisture and nitrogen. Again, it is my understanding that hammermilling systems shred plastics, batteries, and such into little bits that may ultimately contaminate the compost. Other systems, I've heard tell, twist plastics into tiny toothpick-like bits. And, there are companies that sell dyes to color compost the desirable dark brown or black color characteristic of earth rich in organic matter. Mixed waste composting will still have the full gamut of heavy metals, particularly metals from household batteries such as mercury, lead, nickel, cadmium, and zinc. I understand that PCB levels in mixed waste compost are often over 10 PPM as well, of which I and many states have concerns with levels over 1 PPM. Moreover, the USEPA does not regulate mixed waste compost! The fact is that household batteries are in mixed waste, and that they are concentrated into a mixed waste compost. It is also a fact that they are high in heavy metals, and that if they are not removed, they contaminate the compost to levels far in excess of even the most liberal guidelines, much less the EPA 503 sludge rules which are liberal compared with those in the Netherlands and Germany. We have learned from the Seattle Times series how hazardous wastes become fertilizer and the consequences of this action to farmers health, the health of the fields, and grazing animals. http://www.seattletimes.com/todaysnews/browse/html97/fert_070397.html How will the recycling of industrial or municipal solid waste into compost affect the health of farmers and their families, communities down wind, especially when dust blows or fields are burned, such as with sugar cane? Will the soil to dust to lungs or hands to mouth series poison our children, ourselves, as well as the food chain? Does this sustain agriculture or sustain disposal of such materials? My concerns and others have been echoed in The Case for Caution. http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/PDFS/PDFS.html Susan Snow From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 07:08:44 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA23187; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA26223; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id GAA05767 for sanet-real; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net [203.108.7.41]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id GAA05764 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA23191 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:17:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from default ([202.167.37.190]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA19306 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:17:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3432228C.C21@ozemail.com.au> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:14:36 +1000 From: "Marsupial Landscapes P.L." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: [Fwd: Efficacy of hot water on weeds] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------350C62D24DA5" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 37 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------350C62D24DA5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Marsupial Landscapes Pty Ltd. mailto:marsup@ozemail.com.au Ph: 61-2-99056844 Fax : 61-2-99056244 Please find attached a letter providing and requesting information on hot water control of weeds. As a new-comer to the web I am not sure wether you may have already received the mail as a cc. Please advise me if you do not receive the contents of the attachement. Many thanks Jeremy Winer SYDNEY AUSTRALIA. --------------350C62D24DA5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3430DD28.1152@ozemail.com.au> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:06:16 +1000 From: "Marsupial Landscapes P.L." X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hawkins@empm.cdpr.ca.gov CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Efficacy of hot water on weeds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Marsupial Landscapes Pty Ltd. mailto:marsup@ozemail.com.au Ph: 61-2-99056844 Fax : 61-2-99056244 I have been browsing the web for other persons interested in the use of hot water for controlling weeds. I have been looking at alternatives to the use of biocides for the control of weeds in the built environment ie open public space. There appears to be one or two companies world wide who have developed apparatus for the application of hot water to weeds. The apparatus as they stand at the moment have a few major flaws. - They use in excess of 4 litres per minute of water therefore requiring a cumbersome amount of water to be transported and a continual time consuming refill on avearge every 1 to 2 hours. - The heat exchanger is deisel fuelled; being costly, energy inefficient noisy and potentially polluting. If we are looking for sustainable and non polluting alternatives a cleaner energy source is required. - The consequential size of the apparatus make them unable to unobtrusively operate in the public domain and the volume of water consumed and consequentially out poured causes excessive runoff on paved areas and floods garden beds. -Tractor mounted apparatus are unable to apply control to the crop rows. Trials I have carried out have shown that Hot water at tempertures in excess of 75 degrees C will cause permanent cell collapse within 5 seconds on a majority of soft tissued plants above ground. Controlling more persistant stoloniferous, rhizomateous, corm and bulb weeds requires heating the soil to temperatures in excess of 65 degrees C. To do this the hot water must have time to penetrate the rhizosphere and be of an application temperature high enough to still be of effect at the required depth ie upto 75mm (3"). There is some concern for the other organisms present in the rhizosphere, but worm counts a few days following application are encouraging, probably due to their feeding on resultant dead tissue. Microflora counts have not been done. Mr Hawkins, you mention in correspondance that you are familiar with hot water treatment of weeds. I would be pleased if you could refer me to any published articles, preferably prior to 1991, on the method. I am running overtime on research and would be greatfull for an early response. Jeremy Winer Sydney. --------------350C62D24DA5-- From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 11:18:07 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28767; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21016; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id KAA16391 for sanet-real; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id KAA16388 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp24.1stnet.com [206.104.46.24]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA15386 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:37:38 -0500 Message-ID: <34325DAB.7C45@1stnet.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:26:52 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re:Farmer Survey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38 Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:11:35 -0400 Mr. Clarence W. Walker of Indust., Commercial, Muni., and Agri. Waste Processing Systems & Eqpt. wrote: > Bottom line...how do we convert organics that would otherwise be > landfilled into a smouldering pathogen/carcinogen breeding anaerobic > monutainous eyesore or burned? [snip] Is organic material such yard and garden wastes, animal manures, agricultural vegetation linked to cancer? Not from what I can detect from the International Agency for the Research of Cancer. However, manmade chemicals--work place asbestos, solvents, chemicals in printing inks, pesticides, some chemicals that may be in fertilizers, diesel and petroleum products, some cleaning agents, properties of ethylene glycol ethers, toxic metals, including beryllium, radiation, and numerous other human created substances are among the suspects. http://www.iarc.fr/monoeval/allmonos.htm These and other manmade chemical are highly concentrated in municipal solid waste and therefore, landfill leachate. http://www.envirolink.org/pubs/rachel/rhwn090a.htm They may be attached to the organic fraction of the waste stream, such as printing inks are attached to paper or mixed in with organic matter in or when sewage sludge is composted. Does composting destroy or temporarily dilute these fractions? When they are continually laid down and ultimately tilled into the soil, are they not accumulative? Turning composted vegetation and manures into the soil has been practiced by man and nature since time began. However, mixing composted mixed waste is more recent. This apparently occurs due to the public's acceptance of composting sorted materials, and their opposition to incinerators, landfills, and dumping or burning of sewage sludge. [snip] > Making high quality, safe compost to rigid standards is part one..part > two is achieved when the organics are returned to the soil [snip] > and GETTING THE PRODUCT TO THE USERS Why are the U.S.EPA standards for sewage sludge not as rigid as the German or Dutch standards? Is this because the Dutch regulations would more than likely eliminate mixed waste composting as an industry? It is not in my family's best interest that mixed waste compost be spread on farms or private and public lands. The reason many Americans are turning to certified organics is because of the concern of toxic substances being added during growing and processing. How sustainable is spreading composted toxics onto the soils, crops? BTW, I strongly recommend and participate in composting sorted organic materials including vegetation (and food wastes) and animal manures. Wherever composted materials have been added to my soil, the soil has become rich and dark in the color due to added humus, and earth worms are multiplying. Susan Snow From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 14:39:34 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06662; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19418; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id MAA23282 for sanet-real; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iatp.org (iatp-2.InnovSoftD.com [208.141.36.66]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id MAA23279 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.141.36.78] by mail.iatp.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 381 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:01:55 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:12:03 -0600 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu From: "Kathryn Clements" Subject: Sustainable Labeling Initiatives Procedures Manual Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 39 Hello, I am writing to request information on locally initiated labeling initiatives for agricultural products (ecolabeling, sustainable labeling, social labeling, regional labeling, etc.). Specifically, I am in search of "how to" manuals which describe the process of developing a local labeling initiative for sustainably produced agricultural products. Thank you for your time. Please respond to me directly, kclements@iatp.org, and I will summarize what folks send me for the entire list. Cordially, Kathryn Gilje Clements ************************************************* The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) is developing a program exploring the possibilities of LABELS as instruments to drive more ecologically sound and socially just development. We are researching labeling initiatives, creating an informational database, publishing a monthly bulletin, working on a website, organizing a European labeling tour and conference, and supporting the development of local labeling initiatives. Our fledgling website can be found at http://www.sustain.org/labels. Send kclements@iatp.org a message if you are interested in receiving our monthly bulletin LABELS: Linking Consumers and Producers. Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy 2105 First Avenue South Minneapolis, Minnesota 55404 612/870-3422 Fax 612/870-4846 kclements@iatp.org http://www.sustain.org/enviroag From almanac-request@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 15:48:48 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08002; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13432; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (daemon@localhost) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) id NAA26162 for sanet-real; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.wclynx.com (server1.wclynx.com [207.44.186.194]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id NAA26159 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.44.186.229]) by server1.wclynx.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-26952) with SMTP id AAA76 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:36:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3432890B.4A9E@wclynx.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:31:55 -0700 From: Diane Cooner Organization: Mt. Jackson Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: re: smallfarm-mg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 40 In Rich Molini's post on this thread, he makes the comment that entrepreneurs such as certifying agencies, inspector trainers and consultants have all jumped on the band wagon to suck money out of small organic farmers. I don't see that it is quite that way. >From my view, this movement of growing organically started out small. CCOF originally had farmers inspecting farmers - for free. To check up on each other. Because there were some problems with fraud. As the movement got bigger, everyone got more busy and you couldn't find people to go out and inspect for free. Consumers demanded the verification, so now the movement needed to pay people for the inspection work. I agree with Rich that patronizing small local farmers is best. But what happens in the meantime, while those farmers are building up their local markets? We have had lots of small farmers in our area drop out of CCOF because they no longer needed "the stinking badges" to prove to their customers that they were doing what they said they were doing. So they no longer need the service. Do we stop inspecting completely? What about Glacial Ridge? Unfortunately, the problem does seem to lie with large - large companies have an incentive to commit large fraud for large dollars. But like Walmart, just because we want it to go away doesn't mean it's going to. To not continue to police corporate (that magic word) business, organic or otherwise, has the potential to damage the entire movement. Obviously, you can tell that I am involved with the organic inspector association, and I will put in a plug for them that they are very dedicated people who are working hard to train very dedicated inspectors that (again from my view) carry with them the passion for organics, a love of the planet and sustainability. To pidgeonhole them as entrepreneurs that want to suck off the system is simply not accurate. >From my experience, these people care much more than the certifiers. And, again, I agree, grow, buy, sell local. But don't fault those that are watchdogs for the macro. Diane Cooner From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 17:47:30 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10648; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17580; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id QAA01662 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id QAA01656 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu (fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.52]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id QAA05410 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rkimsey@localhost) by fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id QAA08809 for sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Kimsey Message-Id: <9710011637.ZM8807@fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Fwd: NEW FREEDOM TO FARM PUBLICATION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 41 The following mail came in as I was moving the list to the majordomo server.... -------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Brian.A.Devore-1@tc.umn.edu Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu (0@mhub2.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.52]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id QAA05167 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu by mhub2.tc.umn.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 97 15:24:09 -0500 Received: from pub-22-c-166.dialup.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 97 15:24:05 -0500 From: "Brian DeVore, LSP" Reply-To: "Brian DeVore, LSP" To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Cc: Debra J Elias Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b4 Message-Id: <3432b1696b72446@mhub2.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 15:24:46 -0500 CONTACT: Brad DeVries (202) 547-5754 Brian DeVore (612) 653-0618 PRESS RELEASE 10/1/97 LSP ANNOUNCES GUIDE TO NEW FARMING OPTIONS Making the Most of Freedom to Farm Shows how to Make Planting Flexibility Pay WHITE BEAR LAKE, Minn. -- The Land Stewardship Project (LSP) today released Making the Most of Freedom to Farm: Innovative uses of Planting Flexibility and Conservation Programs. This 40-page guide reviews profitable, environmentally beneficial farming practices that are easier for farmers to adopt under new federal agricultural legislation. In 1996, Congress eliminated most of the planting rules that required farmers to plant certain crops in order to qualify for federal support payments. At the same time, the law -- its creators have dubbed it "Freedom to Farm" -- does away with federal protections against wide swings in market prices. Making the Most of Freedom to Farm offers farmers an overview of innovative practices that were difficult to adopt under the old system of commodity payments -- beneficial crop rotations, integrated crop/livestock operations, innovative tillage practices, and other approaches -- and points toward recent sources of more in-depth information. It also includes sections on whole-farm planning approaches and a review of changes in the federal agricultural conservation programs in the 1996 Farm Bill. "Farmers have a great opportunity right now to look for an advantage, for the sort of integrated approaches that will make their farms profitable for the long haul. We can't make it just by copying what the big guys are doing on a smaller scale," said Dave Serfling, a Preston, Minn., farmer who raises hay, corn, hogs, beef and sheep on a highly diverse operation. "As prices for the major commodities shake out a bit, I think more farmers will start to realize the solid, long-term business advantages of diversity and more complex rotations." The guide includes chapters on "Managing for Total Farm Results," "Making Sense of Federal Programs," "Rotations and Cover Crops for Cost Control," "New Livestock Ideas," and "Tillage Tactics." Each chapter includes real-life examples of farms and farmers who are already having success with these techniques and concludes with an extensive list of contact information, print sources and Internet resources for more details on how to make these practices work on the farm. Copies of Making the Most of Freedom to Farm are available from the Land Stewardship Project at 2200 4th St., White Bear Lake, MN 55110. A postage/handling charge of $4.00 will apply to all mail requests. For information on bulk orders, call (612) 653-0618. A Worldwide Web version of the chapter, "Making Sense of Federal Programs," complete table of contents, and news release about Making the Most of Freedom to Farm is available online at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection/farmpoli/features/makesens/home.htm Publication of this guide was made possible by a grant from the Joyce Foundation of Chicago, Ill. 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 17:58:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10841; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21489; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id RAA27373 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id RAA27179 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.stlnet.com (root@home.stlnet.com [209.96.6.15]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id RAA08360 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.96.4.213 (MOTNT03-213.stlnet.com [209.96.4.213]) by home.stlnet.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13783; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:18:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3432CC7D.145@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:21:35 -0600 From: aeashley X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu CC: barryfrench@juno.com Subject: Clarence, Susan et al Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 42 Recently, the teevee show -Beyond 2000- featured a machine built at M.I.T. This machine super heated contaminated soil with synthetic "lightening". The end result was chunks of glass that are impervious to water,chemically inert and well suited to entrapping radioactivity. Needless to say it was facinting. It was reported that this system will be able to process one ton of contaminted soil for about fifty bucks. $50 X (EPA + State Regulators) = $5000/ton ;={ Not many miles from the house I live in and the ground I farm, lies Times Beach. A monument to everything wrong with the way the "system" works. It doesn't work. Ultimatly, one of the corporations responsible for widespread contamination was paid a handsome sum to clean up its own mess. Clean up = spew all over the place by incomplete incinertion and later by leaching of ashes in landfills. Our community could not find within itself the strength of conviction that the folks around New Bedford, Massachusetts relied on to stop an errant EPA and their highly illogical plan to incinerate PCB contminated dirt. Perhaps that community will be among the first to reap the benefits of this new technology. It is too late for this neck of the woods where we now own the dubious distinction of being exposed to DIE-oxin twice, when once was more than enough. A. ---Trying my best in a world that is being TRASHED daily--- To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 18:56:31 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14716; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03520; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id SAA02114 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id SAA02106 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu (fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.52]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id SAA10011 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rkimsey@localhost) by fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id SAA10042 for sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Kimsey Message-Id: <9710011817.ZM10040@fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Major change in SANET-MG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 43 The Sanet-MG mail list has been moved from an almanac maintained list to a majordomo maintained list to add some new features including a digest format. 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 21:45:37 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA18781; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07625; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id VAA24478 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id VAA24469 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id VAA14765 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [12.64.1.73] ([12.64.1.183]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA5228 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:16:05 +0000 X-Sender: bioponic@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3432CC7D.145@stlnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:20:52 -0700 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: David Webb Subject: Re: Ashley, Clarence, Susan et al Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 44 Dear Saneteers: Good old American know-how is back in action. Toxic waste dumps, industrial wastes, sludge, mining tailings...you name it...there is now a technology to clean it all up regardless of how nasty it is. Next week, our company, Bioponic International, will be acquiring another company, MR3, Inc., which has developed a state-of-the-art technology making it possible to extract by electrochemical processing any selected element from soil thus rendering *clean* whatever hazardous toxic soil or water that is processed through this system. The by-products are completely non-hazardous fertilizer and water purification chemicals. Recently scientists and engineers from the Dept. of Mines and Geology at the Univ. of Baal in Switzerland (by authority of the Swiss Govt) announced that this technology is exactly what they hoped it would be...capable of cleaning tons of hazardous waste (now being trucked into Germany and dumped into abandoned mines...but no longer due to "exothermic reactions" caused by this stuff) from rare metals even in microscopic amounts to toxic chemicals. They also said this system has an "immediate $200 million potential" in Switzerland alone in its first year of operation. So you see, technology can help us change the system *from within*... You can learn more about MR3 by visiting their website: http://www.montana.com/mr3 Hope to hear from you and any other Saneteers interesed in recycling toxic waste, industrial sludge, municipal sewerage sludge, harbor sludge, industrial plating rinses, mining tailings... Contact me for questions or comments. David Webb Information Officer Bioponic International ********* >Recently, the teevee show -Beyond 2000- featured a machine built at >M.I.T. This machine super heated contaminated soil with synthetic >"lightening". The end result was chunks of glass that are impervious to >water,chemically inert and well suited to entrapping radioactivity. >Needless to say it was facinting. It was reported that this system will >be able to process one ton of contaminted soil for about fifty >bucks. $50 X (EPA + State Regulators) = $5000/ton ;={ > >Not many miles from the house I live in and the ground I farm, lies >Times Beach. A monument to everything wrong with the way the "system" >works. It doesn't work. Ultimatly, one of the corporations responsible >for widespread contamination was paid a handsome sum to clean up its own >mess. Clean up = spew all over the place by incomplete incinertion and >later by leaching of ashes in landfills. > >Our community could not find within itself the strength of conviction >that the folks around New Bedford, Massachusetts relied on to stop an >errant EPA and their highly illogical plan to incinerate PCB contminated >dirt. Perhaps that community will be among the first to reap the >benefits of this new technology. > >It is too late for this neck of the woods where we now own the dubious >distinction of being exposed to DIE-oxin twice, when once was more than >enough. > >A. > >---Trying my best in a world that is being TRASHED daily--- > >To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 22:32:29 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19482; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17692; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id VAA20071 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id VAA20055 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clarityconnect.com (mail.clarityconnect.com [206.64.143.5]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id VAA15464 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cramer (206.114.171.50) by mail.clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:06:07 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971001220038.0071dc5c@clarityconnect.com> X-Sender: cdcramer@clarityconnect.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:00:38 -0400 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Craig Cramer Subject: Re: NEW FREEDOM TO FARM PUBLICATION In-Reply-To: <9710011637.ZM8807@fenrir.ces.ncsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 45 At 04:37 PM 10/1/97 -0400, Ray Kimsey wrote: >A Worldwide Web version of the chapter, "Making Sense of Federal >Programs," complete table of contents, and news release about Making >the Most of Freedom to Farm is available online at: > >http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection/farmpoli/features/makesens/home.htm My apologies to anyone who tried to browse the chapter. A balky server prevented me from uploading the finished work Wednesday afternoon. It's there now. Craig Cramer mailto:cdcramer@clarityconnect.com Sustainable Farming Connection -- "Where farmers find and share information." http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection "The water will never clear up 'til you get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 22:35:54 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19526; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18834; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id WAA22035 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id WAA21978 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwark.nwark.com (nwark.nwark.com [206.97.227.1]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id WAA15742 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pjf.ppp (port16.nwark.com [206.97.227.116]) by nwark.nwark.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA16724; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:59:16 -0500 Message-ID: <34330014.673A@nwark.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:59:48 -0500 From: Philip Fredericks Reply-To: pjf@nwark.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu CC: wastenot list Subject: Re: questions about co-mingled compost testing and then some... References: <3431FC70.2DD2@1stnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 46 Susan K. Snow wrote: > > Does anyone know when in the analysis of co-mingled compost takes > place? Is it before or after the batteries and other materials in the > mix begin to corrode? The answer is YES, both before and after. > > I've learned that a serious problem with analytical data from MSW > compost is that it does not typically pick up these heavy metal levels > in the analysis because the batteries are often still intact when the > test is done, only to decompose over time and leak their toxic contents > years later. Who did you learn this from? > > It is my understanding that mixed waste composting basically takes the > commingled solid waste stream, commercial and residential, and processes > it into smaller particles that are subsequently composted. Yes, this is my understanding too. This is > contrasted with source-separated composting which takes yard trimmings, > food scraps, non-recycled paper, and commercial organics before they are > commingled. And more often than not, those people working with these products, create a stinking mess, along with winged vermin and RATS(or at least that's what they say on the WASTE list). They also say that the problem can be solved by releasing Gehkos in the vicinity to eat the flies and remove the food so the rats will have nothing to eat. You know what? Most don't even test for plant or animal pathogens, chemical sprays that can be on the green waste and food. At best, most of what we've seen has been closer to a mulch than compost. > > Mixed solid waste is high in paper and generally very dry, so that many > companies use sewage sludge to provide moisture and nitrogen. We also use septage, carwash trap waste with their solvents, fats, oils and greases, petroleum sludge, landfill leachate and drinking water from the hydrant. > > Again, it is my understanding that hammermilling systems shred plastics, > batteries, and such into little bits that may ultimately contaminate the > compost. We fully agree that hammermills are guilty of this nefarious act. Other grinders however, are quite up to the task. Other systems, I've heard tell, twist plastics into tiny > toothpick-like bits. And, there are companies that sell dyes to color > compost the desirable dark brown or black color characteristic of earth > rich in organic matter. This is a great example of people that don't know how to compost. If you've got a machine though that twists plastic into toothpicks, this may be the beginning of a REAL recycling market! > > Mixed waste composting will still have the full gamut of heavy metals, > particularly metals from household batteries such as mercury, lead, > nickel, cadmium, and zinc. This is a good point that we would like to see you expound upon. Since last July, you have of course been reviewing and verifying test protocol, data, and samples for independent testing. We are looking forward to your posting to all lists the results of your study. I understand that PCB levels in mixed waste > compost are often over 10 PPM as well, of which I and many states have > concerns with levels over 1 PPM. What did you think of our test results using MSW and landfill leachate that showed NONE DETECTED for ALL PCB isomers at ppb? Moreover, the USEPA does not regulate > mixed waste compost! If this is so, how come all states refer to existing standards set by the EPA? I know there is no written regulation but in the 17 states we've been involved with, most of which have no composting regs of their own, they all follow multiple EPA standards. May I submit to you in REAL WORLD time and order, that mixed waste/sludge composting, is regulated more than landfills, incineraters and land applied sludges. You see, with no written regs, they apply ALL the regs that govern the above to composting. > > The fact is that household batteries are in mixed waste, and that they > are concentrated into a mixed waste compost. It is also a fact that > they are high in heavy metals, and that if they are not removed, they > contaminate the compost to levels far in excess of even the most liberal > guidelines, much less the EPA 503 sludge rules which are liberal > compared with those in the Netherlands and Germany. Anxiously awaiting your post to the list after you finish your review of compost made from MSW/sludge/landfill leachate. We would like your fair and unbiased opinion as to how it stacks up against the standards you mentioned above. > > We have learned from the Seattle Times series how hazardous wastes > become fertilizer and the consequences of this action to farmers health, > the health of the fields, and grazing animals. > http://www.seattletimes.com/todaysnews/browse/html97/fert_070397.html What does this have to do with composting???? If you test the sludge on the front side, and it has been blessed for direct land application, I'm not sure I follow your concerns about further processing in order to meet or exceed the same standards you listed above. > > How will the recycling of industrial or municipal solid waste into > compost affect the health of farmers and their families, communities > down wind, especially when dust blows or fields are burned, such as with > sugar cane? In the material that was offered to you, did you check directly with the Health Depts who tested for airborn pathogens, heavy metals and all organic compounds on the RCRA list? If so, please report to everyone what you found. > > Will the soil to dust to lungs or hands to mouth series poison our > children, ourselves, as well as the food chain? The Center for Disease Control can answer this question for you. You may be surprised to learn that there are more pathogens on a circulated dime, than are found in a quality compost operation. Don't tell me you wash your money before you give it to the kids to buy candy? Does this sustain > agriculture or sustain disposal of such materials? An unequivocal YES! Both. Isn't it wonderful to be able to clean up the waste and grow food at the same time! With >6% nationwide recycling, it's great to be able to clean it up well below any regulatory limits, while at the same time detoxifying the organics to be returned to the earth from where they came. It just doesn't make sense to me to bury them, burn them or spread them partially processed over the ground. Standards based on science certainly need to play a fact in all regulations and we agree they need to be tightened up. Standards, definitions, and process and product certification is what we should all be working for. You can't solve the problem with emotion, opinion and the Chicken Little syndrome when you get bopped on the head with an acorn, running and telling everyone you can " THE SKY IS FALLING"!! My concerns and > others have been echoed in The Case for Caution. > http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/PDFS/PDFS.html We share the same concerns, but Cornell's report is not based on Zero Tolerance. How do the test results that you are reviewing compare with the Cornell concerns? Phil Fredericks http://www.uark.edu/~ecti/ To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 23:21:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20106; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29659; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id WAA22780 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id WAA22726 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwark.nwark.com (nwark.nwark.com [206.97.227.1]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id WAA17012 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pjf.ppp (port16.nwark.com [206.97.227.116]) by nwark.nwark.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA18505; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: <34330BCF.11C8@nwark.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:49:51 -0500 From: Philip Fredericks Reply-To: pjf@nwark.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu CC: wastenot list Subject: Re: Farmer Survey References: <34325DAB.7C45@1stnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 47 Susan K. Snow wrote: > > Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:11:35 -0400 > Mr. Clarence W. Walker of Indust., Commercial, Muni., and Agri. Waste > Processing Systems & Eqpt. wrote: > > > Bottom line...how do we convert organics that would otherwise be > > landfilled into a smouldering pathogen/carcinogen breeding anaerobic > > monutainous eyesore or burned? > [snip] > > Is organic material such yard and garden wastes, animal manures, > agricultural vegetation linked to cancer? Not from what I can detect > from the International Agency for the Research of Cancer. The answer to your question is YES. If you're having trouble detecting FACT , pull a sample of compost from your innocuous yard and garden waste from the bottom of the stacked pile(18 in. in) and have it tested for phenolic compounds which are Class 1 carcinogens at <1ppm. Please report your findings to the list. While you talk about lead from batteries, please also inform us, of how you remove all of the garden chemicals from those gardens and lawn wastes of those who chose to use them. I do believe that most are carcinogenic. How many green waste composters even test for the presence of these compounds? > > However, manmade chemicals--work place asbestos, solvents, chemicals in > printing inks, pesticides, some chemicals that may be in fertilizers, > diesel and petroleum products, some cleaning agents, properties of > ethylene glycol ethers, toxic metals, including beryllium, radiation, > and numerous other human created substances are among the suspects. > http://www.iarc.fr/monoeval/allmonos.htm Thanks for giving us humans credit for the metals and compounds listed above. All this time I thought that they occured naturally and were the gift of a superior being. > > These and other manmade chemical are highly concentrated in municipal > solid waste and therefore, landfill leachate. > http://www.envirolink.org/pubs/rachel/rhwn090a.htm > They may be attached to the organic fraction of the waste stream, such > as printing inks are attached to paper or mixed in with organic matter > in or when sewage sludge is composted. After reading this I can only ask one question. Where and in what discipline did you receive your degree? > > Does composting destroy or temporarily dilute these fractions? When they > are continually laid down and ultimately tilled into the soil, are they > not accumulative? Why are you asking this question? If you already know the answer, state your source and share it with us. > > Turning composted vegetation and manures into the soil has been > practiced by man and nature since time began. However, mixing composted > mixed waste is more recent. This apparently occurs due to the public's > acceptance of composting sorted materials, and their opposition to > incinerators, landfills, and dumping or burning of sewage sludge. Just a small lesson from history: At the turn of the century, mine ores and chemicals were being open dumped just outside the city limits, on top of the ground. These same metals and compounds are used in consumer products today. Little or no traces of pollution can be found today, from these old sites. Looks like the microbial attack in an aerobic environment over a long period of time cleaned up the site. Do you suppose that the time frame could be shortened given the right microbes, under the right conditions? We do know that ANAEROBIC landfill conditions hinder the process. Kinda like anaerobic compost curing. > > [snip] > > Making high quality, safe compost to rigid standards is part one..part > two is achieved when the organics are returned to the soil > [snip] > > and GETTING THE PRODUCT TO THE USERS What did we lose here between the SNIPS? I have old timers disease and can't remember the part you chose to delete. > > Why are the U.S.EPA standards for sewage sludge not as rigid as the > German or Dutch standards? What would it matter? Your postings for ZERO Tolerance don't fit either. Is this because the Dutch regulations would > more than likely eliminate mixed waste composting as an industry? I know of one company that it wouldn't. > > It is not in my family's best interest that mixed waste compost be > spread on farms or private and public lands. The reason many Americans > are turning to certified organics is because of the concern of toxic > substances being added during growing and processing. How sustainable is > spreading composted toxics onto the soils, crops? We say, bad compost full of nasty toxics and heavy metals, BOOOOO!!!! We say, safe, quality compost no matter what the source, YEAAAH!!! > > BTW, I strongly recommend and participate in composting sorted organic > materials including vegetation (and food wastes) and animal manures. > Wherever composted materials have been added to my soil, the soil has > become rich and dark in the color due to added humus, and earth worms > are multiplying. This is most admirable. Come to Arkansas and look at the worms frolicing and having babies in mixed solid waste compost. Phil Fredericks http://www.uark.edu/~ecti/ To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 23:24:41 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20136; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00415; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id WAA29353 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id WAA29339 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id WAA17090 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s02.term1.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.132]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07460; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971001195803.007af770@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:58:03 -0700 To: Diane Cooner , sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: re: smallfarm-mg In-Reply-To: <3432890B.4A9E@wclynx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 48 At 10:31 AM 10/1/97 -0700, Diane Cooner wrote: >In Rich Molini's post on this thread, he makes the comment that >entrepreneurs such as certifying agencies, inspector trainers and >consultants have all jumped on the band wagon to suck money out of small >organic farmers. I don't see that it is quite that way. Before all of these people were sucking money out of small organic farmers but at lest it was voluntary now small organic farmers will be forced to pay inspector,certifying agencies etc. the key word is small organic farmers and forced. >>From my view, this movement of growing organically started out small. >CCOF originally had farmers inspecting farmers - for free. To check up on >each other. Because there were some problems with fraud. As the movement >got bigger, everyone got more busy and you couldn't find people to go out >and inspect for free. Consumers demanded the verification, so now the >movement needed to pay people for the inspection work. It got bigger because the organic growers made it bigger not the USDA and now a whole set of folks are now making a living and the small organic farmer is paying for all of them. Their schooling , their gas,their income,their motel rooms their time reading reports,this computers , their time driving down and back again and on and on and on. we are paying .all this money to people to prove what we already know about ourselves that we are growing organic. If the consumer demanded verification let them pay for it I know I am organic. and should not be forced to pay for their perinoia. You want to test my crop test it just don't make me pay for the test. that is a tax I do not deserve. >I agree with Rich that patronizing small local farmers is best. But what >happens in the meantime, while those farmers are building up their local >markets? We have had lots of small farmers in our area drop out of CCOF >because they no longer needed "the stinking badges" to prove to their >customers that they were doing what they said they were doing. So they no >longer need the service. Wrong again. it was because they did not want to give up their rights and their freedom for stinking badges. We had lots of folks drop out of our chapter but it was not for reasons you state it was because CCOF along with others were making the word organic a political football. I know why most of my chapter stop being CCOF it was because the certifiers we have been supporting for years sold out our word "organic" to the state and now to the Feds. We trusted them with our life of living and they sold us out. Most farmers don't want to go through the political BS just to prove we are doing the right we know and a lot of us can not afford this extra tax that keeps growing and growing. It was one thing when we volunteer to pay these folks now they are making it law that we must pay them or we cannot tell folks we are organic. Diane that whole inspector thing you are into is built on the backs of the small farmer and it is wrong to lay it all on us.I can not afford to pay for my own gas let alone pay for yours.And the fact that you voted for full pay while your driving showes me it is greed greed greed. And I should not have to pay one extra cent to farm and sell organic. The inspectors are the biggest drain of all Diane .They suck up the most. They invented a new occupation that sucks money out of organic growers by force. . The inspectors suck up the most of our moneys and they want even more. I have seen inspections rise in cost again and again and we can do nothing but pay and now they are making it a law that we must pay if we want to stay in bussiness. So the inspectors vote to raise their pay and the certifier raises their cost and the local chapter raises their cost and we the organic grower pay pay pay.You worry every time you go to the mail box not knowing who else is going to bleed you dry because you grow and sell organic. Who else is going to want their pound of flesh. They sold our names to the state now we have to pay them every year and the feds are in a room right now deciding what to charge the organic grower after all we are being forced to pay for this whole trip if we can afford it on not. Do we stop inspecting completely? What about >Glacial Ridge? Unfortunately, the problem does seem to lie with large - >large companies have an incentive to commit large fraud for large >dollars. But like Walmart, just because we want it to go away doesn't >mean it's going to. To not continue to police corporate (that magic word) >business, organic or otherwise, has the potential to damage the entire >movement. >Obviously, you can tell that I am involved with the organic inspector >association, and I will put in a plug for them that they are very >dedicated people who are working hard to train very dedicated inspectors >that (again from my view) carry with them the passion for organics, a >love of the planet and sustainability. To pidgeonhole them as >entrepreneurs that want to suck off the system is simply not accurate Sure you see it that way but the poor organic farmer does not see it like that at all. First of all the inspectors just voted their self a raise. they now get full pay for driving to the farmers place. they get full pay to read the report they get all their expenses paid by the poor small farmer. Some organic inspectors are not even organic growers so their heart is not in organic ness they are just supplementing their income bleeding the organic growers. Sure there are some really good guys but Here I am just farming along when the word from the herd come down that now the inspectors just voted themselves a raise and guess what I get to pay for it. Sounds like entrepreneurs that want to suck off the system is very accurat . No fair. Not only are we forced to pay for all this but they can vote them selfs a raise (this is what I mean by political football) every one voting on how much to charge me because I am organic.and charge more any time they like and we eat it. I been doing this for to long to fall for the BS that they are dedicated yeah they use to be but now they are only dedicated to taking my money out of my pocket and putting it in theirs. Just think if an inspector has to drive 400 miles to your small farm for a inspection that may take 1/2 hr. yet you are forced to pay this guy maybe $40 an hour for his drive down and another $40 an hour for the 4 or 8 hour drive back . and the poor small farmer has to pay this persons motel room and the gas and don't for get to pay him for reading that extra paper work we have to do and then the inspection at $40 or so an hour then he charges you $40 an hour for writing his report. etc.and don't forget his meals. yeah sure they are not bleeding the trunips. not much. vote yourselves another inspectors raise after all it is the small organic that will have to pay it. All kind of folks are voting to take money from organic growers it is open season on us after all we farm organic . easy target. >>From my experience, these people care much more than the certifiers. >And, again, I agree, grow, buy, sell local. But don't fault those that >are watchdogs for the macro. >Diane Cooner > The certifiers need new computers and rent and don't forget the local chapter they justed voted another 25$ raise and then there is the state. and soon the feds all paid for by the small organic farmers (forced) . Don't tell me the inspectors care about the organic grower when you guys just raised your driving time to full pay out of my hard earned income. Vote yourself another raise and sending the bill to me. An organic grower should not have to pay one cent extra to farm and sell his organic crop as organic. If I want to volunteer to pay an inspector that is one thing but when the state and Federal government force me to pay what ever these folks want that is a tax for growing and selling organic and we don't deserved to be taxed for doing the right we know. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Wed Oct 1 23:47:15 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20373; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05310; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id XAA08401 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id XAA08348 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwark.nwark.com (nwark.nwark.com [206.97.227.1]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id XAA17913 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pjf.ppp (port16.nwark.com [206.97.227.116]) by nwark.nwark.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA19514 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:13:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3433117A.1B20@nwark.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:14:02 -0500 From: Philip Fredericks Reply-To: pjf@nwark.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: questions about co-mingled compost testing and then some... References: <3431FC70.2DD2@1stnet.com> <34330014.673A@nwark.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 49 > > Susan K. Snow wrote: > > > > Does anyone know when in the analysis of co-mingled compost takes > > place? Is it before or after the batteries and other materials in the > > mix begin to corrode? > > The answer is YES, both before and after. > > > > I've learned that a serious problem with analytical data from MSW > > compost is that it does not typically pick up these heavy metal levels > > in the analysis because the batteries are often still intact when the > > test is done, only to decompose over time and leak their toxic contents > > years later. > > Who did you learn this from? > > > > It is my understanding that mixed waste composting basically takes the > > commingled solid waste stream, commercial and residential, and processes > > it into smaller particles that are subsequently composted. > > Yes, this is my understanding too. > > This is > > contrasted with source-separated composting which takes yard trimmings, > > food scraps, non-recycled paper, and commercial organics before they are > > commingled. > > And more often than not, those people working with these products, > create a stinking mess, along with winged vermin and RATS(or at least > that's what they say on the WASTE list). They also say that the problem > can be solved by releasing Gehkos in the vicinity to eat the flies and > remove the food so the rats will have nothing to eat. You know what? > Most don't even test for plant or animal pathogens, chemical sprays that > can be on the green waste and food. At best, most of what we've seen has > been closer to a mulch than compost. > > > > Mixed solid waste is high in paper and generally very dry, so that many > > companies use sewage sludge to provide moisture and nitrogen. > > We also use septage, carwash trap waste with their solvents, fats, oils > and greases, petroleum sludge, landfill leachate and drinking water from > the hydrant. > > > > Again, it is my understanding that hammermilling systems shred plastics, > > batteries, and such into little bits that may ultimately contaminate the > > compost. > > We fully agree that hammermills are guilty of this nefarious act. Other > grinders however, are quite up to the task. > > Other systems, I've heard tell, twist plastics into tiny > > toothpick-like bits. And, there are companies that sell dyes to color > > compost the desirable dark brown or black color characteristic of earth > > rich in organic matter. > > This is a great example of people that don't know how to compost. If > you've got a machine though that twists plastic into toothpicks, this > may be the beginning of a REAL recycling market! > > > > Mixed waste composting will still have the full gamut of heavy metals, > > particularly metals from household batteries such as mercury, lead, > > nickel, cadmium, and zinc. > > This is a good point that we would like to see you expound upon. Since > last July, you have of course been reviewing and verifying test > protocol, data, and samples for independent testing. We are looking > forward to your posting to all lists the results of your study. > > I understand that PCB levels in mixed waste > > compost are often over 10 PPM as well, of which I and many states have > > concerns with levels over 1 PPM. > > What did you think of our test results using MSW and landfill leachate > that showed NONE DETECTED for ALL PCB isomers at ppb? > > Moreover, the USEPA does not regulate > > mixed waste compost! > > If this is so, how come all states refer to existing standards set by > the EPA? I know there is no written regulation but in the 17 states > we've been involved with, most of which have no composting regs of their > own, they all follow multiple EPA standards. May I submit to you in REAL > WORLD time and order, that mixed waste/sludge composting, is regulated > more than landfills, incineraters and land applied sludges. You see, > with no written regs, they apply ALL the regs that govern the above to > composting. > > > > The fact is that household batteries are in mixed waste, and that they > > are concentrated into a mixed waste compost. It is also a fact that > > they are high in heavy metals, and that if they are not removed, they > > contaminate the compost to levels far in excess of even the most liberal > > guidelines, much less the EPA 503 sludge rules which are liberal > > compared with those in the Netherlands and Germany. > > Anxiously awaiting your post to the list after you finish your review of > compost made from MSW/sludge/landfill leachate. We would like your fair > and unbiased opinion as to how it stacks up against the standards you > mentioned above. > > > > We have learned from the Seattle Times series how hazardous wastes > > become fertilizer and the consequences of this action to farmers health, > > the health of the fields, and grazing animals. > > http://www.seattletimes.com/todaysnews/browse/html97/fert_070397.html > > What does this have to do with composting???? If you test the sludge on > the front side, and it has been blessed for direct land application, I'm > not sure I follow your concerns about further processing in order to > meet or exceed the same standards you listed above. > > > > How will the recycling of industrial or municipal solid waste into > > compost affect the health of farmers and their families, communities > > down wind, especially when dust blows or fields are burned, such as with > > sugar cane? > > In the material that was offered to you, did you check directly with the > Health Depts who tested for airborn pathogens, heavy metals and all > organic compounds on the RCRA list? If so, please report to everyone > what you found. > > > > Will the soil to dust to lungs or hands to mouth series poison our > > children, ourselves, as well as the food chain? > > The Center for Disease Control can answer this question for you. You may > be surprised to learn that there are more pathogens on a circulated > dime, than are found in a quality compost operation. Don't tell me you > wash your money before you give it to the kids to buy candy? > > Does this sustain > > agriculture or sustain disposal of such materials? > > An unequivocal YES! Both. Isn't it wonderful to be able to clean up the > waste and grow food at the same time! With >6% nationwide recycling, > it's great to be able to clean it up well below any regulatory limits, > while at the same time detoxifying the organics to be returned to the > earth from where they came. It just doesn't make sense to me to bury > them, burn them or spread them partially processed over the ground. > Standards based on science certainly need to play a fact in all > regulations and we agree they need to be tightened up. Standards, > definitions, and process and product certification is what we should all > be working for. You can't solve the problem with emotion, opinion and > the Chicken Little syndrome when you get bopped on the head with an > acorn, running and telling everyone you can " THE SKY IS FALLING"!! > > My concerns and > > others have been echoed in The Case for Caution. > > http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/wmi/PDFS/PDFS.html > > We share the same concerns, but Cornell's report is not based on Zero > Tolerance. How do the test results that you are reviewing compare with > the Cornell concerns? > > Phil Fredericks > http://www.uark.edu/~ecti/ To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Thu Oct 2 03:43:50 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25109; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA15352; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id DAA07855 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id DAA07799 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id DAA23928 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp24.1stnet.com [206.104.46.24]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA07798; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:13:27 -0500 Message-ID: <34334705.7491@1stnet.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:03:01 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John A. Hendrickson" CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re:Help: rashes caused by handling produce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 50 John, There are a number of insecticides and fungicides (and the so-called inert ingredients within) that have skin irritating qualities, according to the Pesticide Handbook. http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~fairsweb/text/pp/15053.html Another interesting article is by Joel Grossman, "Dangers of Household Pesticides," ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH PERSPECTIVES, Vol. 103, No. 6 (June 1995). http://www.envirolink.org/pubs/rachel/ehbr01.htm Susan Snow ---------- On Saturday, 30 August, John A. Hendrickson wrote: > The produce manager at a food cooperative in Madison, Wisconsin is > desperately trying to find out why she and many of her staff have > been suffering from serious rashes on their hands and arms over the > past few years or more. They believe they've narrowed it down to > their handling of either watermelons or celery that is not certified > organic (i.e., "commercial"). They're concerned about long-term > effects; some are already left with scars from the rash. Does > anyone out there have any information on this? Is this common in > produce retail? I'll forward her your replies, thankyou. > > -John > > John Hendrickson > Center for Integrated Agricultural Systems > University of Wisconsin-Madison > 1450 Linden Drive, Room 146 > Madison, WI 53706 > jhendric@facstaff.wisc.edu > (608) 265-3704 > FAX (608) 265-3020 > http://www.wisc.edu/cias To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Thu Oct 2 17:55:36 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19963; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17046; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id RAA08490 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id RAA08483 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliff.nal.usda.gov (cliff.nal.usda.gov [192.54.138.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id RAA29440 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cliff.nal.usda.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA17316; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:05:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:05:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Clark X-Sender: aclark@cliff To: sanet-mg Subject: W.K. Kellogg Grant Initiative Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 51 For more information, contact W.K. Kellogg Foundation, Food Systems/Rural Development, One Michigan Ave East, Battle Creek, MI 49017-4058; web: www.wkkf.org; telephone: 616- 968-1611; fax: 616-968-0413. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:19:17 GMT From: owner-smallfarm@reeusda.gov Managing Information with Rural America =============================== The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has announced its new technology-oriented grantmaking initiative, "Managing Information with Rural America" (MIRA). The goals of the program include helping communities build their development capacity, crafting a shared development vision, and encouraging diverse groups of people to work together in new ways. "Rural communities have reservoirs of great strength, tenacity, and civic commitment. We want to draw upon these reservoirs... to meet the tides of change using one of today's primary tools: information systems and electronic communications." The program, to operate over 5 years, and comprises three interdependent grant categories: clusters of community teams, support organizations and policy organizations. The initiative centers on the clusters, of which five will be selected per year over the next 3 years. Community Clusters are composed of six to ten teams forming a multicount collaboration. The entire collaboration will receive a pool of funds from which each team can receive mini-grants to pursue a project of its own design. Deadline is December 30, 1997; $200,000. "Support Organizations" are community-based organizations in the locale of the Community Clusters. Support Organizations typically provide training, technical assistance, leadership development or civic participation and include groups that work in locating economic opportunity and access to capital. Deadline is April 15, 1998; $250,000 within each cluster region. "Policy Organizations" will work with selected Community Clusters to understand policy and develop issues pertinent to that region. Policy Organizations will use technology to serve rural communities and to promote a two-way exchange of information. First year funding will go to three or four national organizations, and in subsequent years to local and regional organizations nearer to the Cluster grantees. Deadline is November 30, 1997; $150,000 - $250,000. For more information, contact W.K. Kellogg Foundation, Food Systems/Rural Development, One Michigan Ave East, Battle Creek, MI 49017-4058; web: www.wkkf.org; telephone: 616- 968-1611; fax: 616-968-0413. 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Thu Oct 2 19:42:17 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22822; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10633; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id TAA22451 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id TAA22405 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from green.indy.net (green.indy.net [199.3.65.18]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id TAA04258 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from indy1.indy.net (root@indy1.indy.net [199.3.65.5]) by green.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02895; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ip75-242.ts.indy.net [199.3.75.242]) by indy1.indy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA09762; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:08:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34341B61.6E83@indy.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:08:33 -0500 From: Rich Molini Reply-To: richmo@indy.net Organization: IndyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Webb CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Ashley, Clarence, Susan et al References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 52 David Webb wrote: > > Dear Saneteers: > > Good old American know-how is back in action. Toxic waste dumps, > industrial wastes, sludge, mining tailings...you name it...there is now a > technology to clean it all up regardless of how nasty it is. > > Next week, our company, Bioponic International, will be acquiring another > company, MR3, Inc., which has developed a state-of-the-art technology > making it possible to extract by electrochemical processing any selected > element from soil thus rendering *clean* whatever hazardous toxic soil or > water that is processed through this system. The by-products are > completely non-hazardous fertilizer and water purification chemicals. > > Recently scientists and engineers from the Dept. of Mines and Geology at > the Univ. of Baal in Switzerland (by authority of the Swiss Govt) announced > that this technology is exactly what they hoped it would be...capable of > cleaning tons of hazardous waste (now being trucked into Germany and dumped > into abandoned mines...but no longer due to "exothermic reactions" caused > by this stuff) from rare metals even in microscopic amounts to toxic > chemicals. They also said this system has an "immediate $200 million > potential" in Switzerland alone in its first year of operation. > > So you see, technology can help us change the system *from within*... > > You can learn more about MR3 by visiting their website: > http://www.montana.com/mr3 > > Hope to hear from you and any other Saneteers interesed in recycling toxic > waste, industrial sludge, municipal sewerage sludge, harbor sludge, > industrial plating rinses, mining tailings... > > Contact me for questions or comments. > > David Webb > Information Officer > Bioponic International > > ********* > >Recently, the teevee show -Beyond 2000- featured a machine built at > >M.I.T. This machine super heated contaminated soil with synthetic > >"lightening". The end result was chunks of glass that are impervious to > >water,chemically inert and well suited to entrapping radioactivity. > >Needless to say it was facinting. It was reported that this system will > >be able to process one ton of contaminted soil for about fifty > >bucks. $50 X (EPA + State Regulators) = $5000/ton ;={ > > > >Not many miles from the house I live in and the ground I farm, lies > >Times Beach. A monument to everything wrong with the way the "system" > >works. It doesn't work. Ultimatly, one of the corporations responsible > >for widespread contamination was paid a handsome sum to clean up its own > >mess. Clean up = spew all over the place by incomplete incinertion and > >later by leaching of ashes in landfills. > > > >Our community could not find within itself the strength of conviction > >that the folks around New Bedford, Massachusetts relied on to stop an > >errant EPA and their highly illogical plan to incinerate PCB contminated > >dirt. Perhaps that community will be among the first to reap the > >benefits of this new technology. > > > >It is too late for this neck of the woods where we now own the dubious > >distinction of being exposed to DIE-oxin twice, when once was more than > >enough. > > > >A. > > > >---Trying my best in a world that is being TRASHED daily--- > > > >To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". > To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command > "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". David, No offense but it sounds like hokus-pokus to me. The best minds in remedial technologies can tell you there is absolutely no magic bullet quick fix for any type or quantity of hazardous waste/substances cleanup. When we allow the production of synthetic chemical poisons ( especially those wonderful compounds specifically designed to interrupt life processes) we all are affected and accountable no matter what the major chemical producers would like us to believe. BTW what are "non-hazardous fertilizers" and " water purification chemicals"? That has got to be the answer to your riddle. Write a couple of balanced equations detailing the reactions particular to this method and the techniques employed to magically treat 100 million gallons of TCE contaminated water/soil matrix in a local aquifer. Competent scientist have been attempting to make progress on these and other very complicated problems for 30 years. I wish there was a miracle solution because we wouldn't have to care about toxin production and dispersement and we could concentrate on stopping GMO production and distribution. Rich To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Fri Oct 3 00:14:55 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00609; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA06866; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id XAA14545 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id XAA14488 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net (root@acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id XAA10994 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.254.241.118] (term5-6.vta.west.net [205.254.241.134]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA21682 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: colibri@mail.west.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Beth von Gunten Subject: Re: Farming at Risk Because of Growth Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 53 MEBUCKNER@wnpb.wvnet.edu (Marian Buckner) wrote: > Can you help with answers to any of the following? I am gathering >info for a possible small research project. > This proposed project would research bringing in new rural >infrastructure or support services to help make farming continue to be >viable. A few of our agricultural support services have left because >not enough of an agricultural base was left for their particular >business to be profitable. Our rural area is very threatened by >growth, but still holding its own for the time being. > > Here are my questions: >1. Do you know of anyone that has done such a study? Or anyone >researching the area of rural infrastructure and agriculture support >businesses or industries? > >2. Do you know of books or journal articles that discuss this subject? > >3. Do you know of any related experiences in other areas--successful >or unsuccessful? > >4. Please comment on the following ideas I've received from others: > * Attract a county-based storage facility to our new industrial park >(they're looking for high-tech businesses for the most part) that would >process grains on the premises (eg, flour mill or oil extracting >process). > Question: What about nuisance aspects (noise, dust, trucks)? How >does one find out how large an agricultural base is needed for such a >facility to be profitable? > > * Attract farm equipment dealers with a diversified line for both >farmers and suburban customers--lawn and garden, snowmobiles). > Question: Will farm equipment dealers resist this because they want >their farm equipment to be primary? > > *Create a marketing group that could buy and sell blocks of grain from >a number of farmers and lock in on better-priced markets. > Question: Will farmers buy into this? They tend to want to be >independent and act on their own. > >5. Do you have other suggestions for "farmers on the urban edge"? > > Thanks! > >Marian Buckner ________________ Marian, In March 1996 the Regents of the University of California published a study: The Value of Agriculture to Ventura County: An Economic Analysis, sponsored by the Ventura County Agricultural Land Trust, the California State Coastal Conservancy, and the Univertiy of California Hansen Trust. I believe the work as a whole will be of great use to you in your efforts; I know it has been to me in mine. One chapter in particular, Ventura County Agricultural Support Industries, by Michael Moore, Resource Economist, addresses your questions quite directly. I live and work on these issues in Ventura County, just up the coast from Los Angeles, our immediate neighbor to the southeast. Agriculture is still the top industry in Ventura County at a billion dollars a year and growing, but you can imagine the economic pressure to convert the land to other uses. The study is available from Sheri Klittich, administrator of the Hansen Trust, at 669 County Square Drive, Ventura, CA, 93003; phone 805-645-1472. I wish you all the best in your efforts. If there's anything else I can do to help, please feel free to be in touch. Beth von Gunten Field Representative Community Alliance with Family Farmers POB 1845 Ojai, CA 93024 805-646-1578 To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Fri Oct 3 08:38:10 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06241; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28427; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id HAA23253 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id HAA23100 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x10.boston.juno.com (x10.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.25]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id HAA22520 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dan.worley@juno.com) by x10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id HWU27062; Fri, 03 Oct 1997 07:49:46 EDT To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:29:38 AST Subject: Richard Wolfson : Thanks-virus article Message-ID: <19971003.075143.31727.1.DAN.WORLEY@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-18,20-27,29,31-34,36,38-39,41,43-48,50-60, 62-65,67-75,77-84,86,88-127 From: dan.worley@juno.com (Daniel D. Worley) Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 54 --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Wolfson To: info@natural-law.ca Subject: Thanks-virus article Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:06:39 -0400 Message-ID: The Danger of Virus-Resistant Crops, by Joe Cummins, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Genetics, University of Western Ontario Virus-resistant crops are becoming a mainstay in the biotechnology industry. These crops incorporate foreign virus genes, which are genetically engineered into the plants, for the purpose of producing resistance to the virus. For example, crookneck squash with engineered virus resistance has been marketed in the United States--much of that product is marketed as baby food. US Permits to grow virus resistant beets, cucumber, lettuce, melon, pepper, potato, sunflower, tomato and watermelon have been granted or are pending, even though laboratory experiments showed that they could potentially give rise to new viruses-- deadlier than the viruses that the crops are being protected from! Threefold Hazard There are three kinds of hazards associated with the virus resistant crops, which incorporate foreign virus genes: recombination, transcapsidation and synergism. * Recombination is the scrambling of virus genes to create new gene combinations, some of which can give rise to deadlier viruses. Laboratory experiments showed that tobacco plants engineered with a virus gene created new virus strains by recombination when infected with a virus. With virus-resistant crops soon to be released on such a huge scale, there is a very high probability that super viruses will be created by recombination. * Transcapsidation happens when the virus "coat" from the plant cell is taken up and used by an invading virus. The transcapsidated virus could have an enhanced infection and extended range of hosts to infect. * In synergism, the virus gene in the plant cell potentiates the effect of the incoming virus. This may be manifest in more severe disease symptoms or in the increased concentration of virus particles in the cells. Recombination is the most threatening of the three effects because recombination can produce a host of new virus diseases and create viruses capable of destroying a whole crop or many crops. Professional Concern In 1993 the Union of Concerned Scientists called for a moratorium on commercialization of virus resistant crops until a stronger risk assessment program was introduced by the government. The Union's proposal was ignored by government regulators. The virus resistant crops are not being monitored for the production of new plant viruses. Any new virus problem from the use of transgenic crops would be detected by farmers, seed producers, and scientists as new virus disease. It is likely that such detection would take place too late to deal with a strong disease producing virus. For example, a super virus could begin with the introduction of a crop such as potato bearing a "movement" gene to provide protection against virus. Recombination with a previously immobile virus might yield a superior, highly infectious virus that in one season could infect most seed stock. By the following season, most potato production would have been eliminated or greatly diminished in North America. The marketing of virus resistant crops bearing copies of virus genes in each cell has begun. The number of biotech foods in general in this country is rising steadily, in spite of concerns of very serious risks. As consumers, we need to let our governments and local supermarket managers know that we will not tolerate unlabeled genetically engineered foods. We deserve the freedom to make an informed choice about what we put on our kitchen tables every day. Visit with your supermarket manager soon. Support organic growers across the country with your produce purchases. And write your concerns to both: Hon Alan Rock, Minister of Health ((Fax 613-427-4276) Hon Lyle Vanclief, Minister of Agriculture (Fax: 613-996-8652) House of Commons, Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 (no postage necessary) References: Greene, A. and Allison, R. 1994 Science 263, 1423-5 Wuethrich, B. 1994 New Scientist 2April page15 Robinson, D. 1996 Transgenic Research 5, 359-62 Wintermantel, W. and Schoelz, J. 1996 Virology 223, 156-64 ISB/NBIAP News Reports Jan.1996, Aug.1996, April 1997 _________________________________________________________ Richard Wolfson, PhD Campaign for Mandatory Labelling and Long-term Testing of all Genetically Engineered Foods Natural Law Party, 500 Wilbrod Street Ottawa, ON Canada K1N 6N2 Tel. 613-565-8517 Fax. 613-565-1596 email: rwolfson@concentric.net Our website, http://www.natural-law.ca/genetic/geindex.html contains more information on genetic engineering. 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Fri Oct 3 09:30:16 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06868; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09250; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id IAA05262 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id IAA05217 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emerald.tufts.edu (pmdf@emerald.tufts.edu [130.64.1.16]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id IAA25356 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by emerald.tufts.edu (PMDF V5.1-8 #23568) with SMTP id <0EHH00D0183866@emerald.tufts.edu> for sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:59:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Molly Anderson Subject: Food Systems Teaching Job To: san Cc: SAED-SHARE-L@cornell.edu Reply-to: Molly Anderson Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 55 JOB ANNOUNCEMENT Visiting Professor of Agriculture, Food and Environment School of Nutrition Science and Policy, Tufts University Medford, Massachusetts The Agriculture, Food and Environment (AFE) Program will hire a faculty member from December 1997 through August 1998 to teach, work with graduate students, and establish an Internship Collaborative. This position includes excellent benefits and compensation between $37,000 and $42,000, depending on qualifications. This is a nine-month position; the starting date is somewhat flexible but must be no later than January 1, 1998. The School of Nutrition Science and Policy brings together biomedical, social, political and behavioral scientists to conduct research, educational and community service programs to improve the nutritional health and well-being of people throughout the world. The AFE Program administers degree-granting programs at the M.S. and Ph.D. levels, research, and community service projects dealing with domestic and international problems and alternatives to current food-supply systems. Particular areas of interest include agriculture in and near cities, local food systems, and consumer education. Qualifications: * earned doctorate in environmental or social policy, planning, nutrition, social sciences or related field with an emphasis on food systems, agriculture or environmental problems. ABD doctoral candidates may be considered. * university teaching experience * (Preferred) experience with data-base construction and management; ability to use and evaluate computer-based information technology Duties: * Prepare and teach one graduate-level course during the spring 1998 semester on food systems analysis and the interrelationships of food supply mechanisms, environmental quality, and socioeconomic trends. The applicant should be able to teach how to analyze commodity pathways, assess needs and resources relevant to the food system in particular communities, and develop policy recommendations. * Contribute to other occasional teaching activities of the SNSP, such as seminar series, guest lecturing, and workshops. * Supervise up to 5 AFE directed-study projects during the spring semester. * Coordinate internship advising for AFE students. * Develop the Sustainable Food Systems Internship Collaborative, in cooperation with the AFE Program Director, to match students with suitable organizations. This will include building a data-base, working with organizational participants to negotiate long-term arrangements, seeking additional funds, and organizing at least one participants' meeting. The Internship Collaborative work is expected to require four-five months, with most effort concentrated in June-August. Please send a C.V., cover letter, and sample of your publications or other professional work by November 17 to Molly Anderson, AFE Program Director, School of Nutrition Science and Policy, Tufts University, Medford, MA 02155-7028. Please direct inquiries about this position to Dr. Anderson at manderso@tufts.edu. Additional information about the School of Nutrition Science and Policy is available at http://www.tufts.edu/nutrition. Tufts is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. Members of groups historically under-represented in academia are encouraged to apply. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Fri Oct 3 10:01:39 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08282; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA15624; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id JAA20595 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id JAA20586 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daisy.snet.net (mail.snet.net [204.60.7.83]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id JAA26702 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.60.15.212 (nwhn02-sh12-port212.snet.net [204.60.15.212]) by daisy.snet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/SNET-1.5) with SMTP id JAA23011 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3434660D.32B0@snet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:27:09 +0600 From: Bill and Suzanne Duesing Reply-To: bduesing@snet.net Organization: Solar Farm Education X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Two Visions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 56 Living on the Earth, October 3, 1997: Two Visions Two distinctly different visions for the future of our food system have emerged: one is industrial, the other is ecological. The industrial paradigm urges society to amplify research and the application of intensive, high-input technologies for growing, processing and marketing food in order to feed an expanding human population. Proponents of the ecological paradigm for our food system believe that if the human species is to survive, the work of feeding ourselves must be incorporated into the ³larger task of restoring the health of local ecosystems² and communities. They ³suggest that this requires not only a redesign of farming methods, but also of the entire food and agriculture system.²* Producing and preparing food should become an integral part of our lives. The basics of a food system are really quite simple. Soil supports plants which use sunlight to turn air and water into delicious things to eat. Animals turn some of the plants into other good food. Meals are prepared and eaten. In the ecological model, the plants, animals and eaters share the same ecosystem. Wastes from one species nourish others by way of nature¹s elegant cycles. Growing and preparing food are integral to the culture, education, joy and the spirit of each community. While home, school and community gardens are the most important elements of an ecological food system, community-supported-agriculture projects, farmers markets, organic farms, as well as small and part-time farms (especially in urban and suburban areas) are also critical. All of these human-scale endeavors are expanding steadily here in the US and around the world. Grassroots organizations believe that these elements help restore the health not only of people and local ecosystems, but of rural and urban communities, as well. The approach of the industrial food system is very different. This system disconnects people from direct experience in producing food and disconnects food production from the elegant natural cycles that allow ecosystems to function. Instead it creates concentration of ownership, extremely large-scale monocultures and highly-subsidized facilities which produce, for example, millions of hogs or chickens, millions of pounds of margarine or millions of gallons of herbicide each year. It also tends toward boring, inhumane and oftentimes dangerous employment for its workers. Because food is produced very far from where it is eaten, distribution becomes the most important element in the industrial model. Large agribusinesses use contracts with farmers, vertical integration and other forms of coordination to control the flow of food from ³farm to mouth.² Large chemical, drug, seed and equipment companies take an increasing share of farmers¹ earnings for their high tech, toxic, dangerous, and genetically-engineered inputs. Globalization of all these activities is big right now, with the overriding goal in all cases being higher profits to please investors. While the ecological approach maximizes the use of solar energy, recycles organic wastes and uses non-renewable resources sparingly, the industrial approach voraciously consumes soil, water, packaging materials and energy. In fact, energy from fossil and nuclear sources used for growing, processing, transporting, packaging and marketing has become the most important ingredient in the industrial food system. This system discards farmers and their knowledge as it eliminates locally-adapted plants and animals in favor of laboratory creations. The industrial system is quickly narrowing the diversity of food plants that we eat and the diversity of plant and animal species on Earth. Proponents of the industrial vision would have us forge recklessly ahead on their path, putting all our hopes for future eating into the hands of genetic engineers, large-scale, far-away farms and global food processors. Their record so far is not good. Practitioners of the ecological system strive to involve as many as possible in the rewarding work of feeding themselves. They have found that local, ecological food production nourishes more than bodies. It nourishes spirits and communities, too. This is Bill Duesing, Living on the Earth *This description is adapted from a speech by visionary, North Dakota, organic farmer, Fred Kirschenmann. He is a member of the board of the Center for Respect of Life and Environment and an officer of the World Sustainable Agriculture Association. Contact Fred Kirschenmann through wsaadc@igc.org ©1997 Bill Duesing, Solar Farm Education, Box 135, Stevenson, CT 06491 Bill and Suzanne Duesing operate the Old Solar Farm (raising NOFA/CT certified organic vegetables) and Solar Farm Education (working on urban agriculture projects in New Haven, Bridgeport, Hartford and Norwalk, CT).Their collection of essays Living on the Earth: Eclectic Essays for a Sustainable and Joyful Future is available from Bill Duesing, Box 135, Stevenson, CT 06491 for $14 postpaid. These essays first appeared on WSHU, public radio from Fairfield, CT. New essays are posted weekly at http://www.wshu.org/duesing and those since November 1995 are available there. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Fri Oct 3 11:59:09 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12090; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14388; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id LAA03186 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id LAA03125 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peak.org (root@PEAK.ORG [198.68.22.17]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id LAA02104 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midgard-36.PEAK.ORG (midgard-36.PEAK.ORG [198.68.22.100]) by peak.org (8.8.5/8.6.7) with SMTP id IAA11933; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971003083600.20cf14fe@peak.org> X-Sender: draperj@peak.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:36:00 To: Beth von Gunten , sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: Jim Draper Subject: Re: Farming at Risk Because of Growth Cc: wistyr@comp.uark.edu, rmdraper@laplaza.taos.nm.us, jsd@landmarkcalendars.com, ecoulter@aiweb.com, julianna_smith@sunsetdirect.com, mclaine@peak.org In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 57 You've begun an extremely interesting and useful dialog. I hope you keep me (an octogenarian long involved in rural development/recovery issues) on your mailing list(s). --- Jim Draper At 08:39 PM 10/2/97 -0700, Beth von Gunten wrote: >MEBUCKNER@wnpb.wvnet.edu (Marian Buckner) wrote: > >> Can you help with answers to any of the following? I am gathering >>info for a possible small research project. >> This proposed project would research bringing in new rural >>infrastructure or support services to help make farming continue to be >>viable. A few of our agricultural support services have left because >>not enough of an agricultural base was left for their particular >>business to be profitable. Our rural area is very threatened by >>growth, but still holding its own for the time being. >> >> Here are my questions: >>1. Do you know of anyone that has done such a study? Or anyone >>researching the area of rural infrastructure and agriculture support >>businesses or industries? >> >>2. Do you know of books or journal articles that discuss this subject? >> >>3. Do you know of any related experiences in other areas--successful >>or unsuccessful? >> >>4. Please comment on the following ideas I've received from others: >> * Attract a county-based storage facility to our new industrial park >>(they're looking for high-tech businesses for the most part) that would >>process grains on the premises (eg, flour mill or oil extracting >>process). >> Question: What about nuisance aspects (noise, dust, trucks)? How >>does one find out how large an agricultural base is needed for such a >>facility to be profitable? >> >> * Attract farm equipment dealers with a diversified line for both >>farmers and suburban customers--lawn and garden, snowmobiles). >> Question: Will farm equipment dealers resist this because they want >>their farm equipment to be primary? >> >> *Create a marketing group that could buy and sell blocks of grain from >>a number of farmers and lock in on better-priced markets. >> Question: Will farmers buy into this? They tend to want to be >>independent and act on their own. >> >>5. Do you have other suggestions for "farmers on the urban edge"? >> >> Thanks! >> >Marian Buckner >________________ > >Marian, > >In March 1996 the Regents of the University of California published a >study: The Value of Agriculture to Ventura County: An Economic Analysis, >sponsored by the Ventura County Agricultural Land Trust, the California >State Coastal Conservancy, and the Univertiy of California Hansen Trust. I >believe the work as a whole will be of great use to you in your efforts; I >know it has been to me in mine. One chapter in particular, Ventura County >Agricultural Support Industries, by Michael Moore, Resource Economist, >addresses your questions quite directly. > >I live and work on these issues in Ventura County, just up the coast from >Los Angeles, our immediate neighbor to the southeast. Agriculture is still >the top industry in Ventura County at a billion dollars a year and growing, >but you can imagine the economic pressure to convert the land to other >uses. > >The study is available from Sheri Klittich, administrator of the Hansen >Trust, at 669 County Square Drive, Ventura, CA, 93003; phone 805-645-1472. >I wish you all the best in your efforts. If there's anything else I can do >to help, please feel free to be in touch. > > >Beth von Gunten >Field Representative >Community Alliance with Family Farmers >POB 1845 >Ojai, CA 93024 >805-646-1578 > > > > >To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". >To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command >"subscribe sanet-mg-digest". > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Fri Oct 3 15:49:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.iupac.org [152.2.254.86]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20549; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14064; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id PAA27414 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id PAA27398 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from comp.uark.edu (root@comp.uark.edu [130.184.252.197]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id PAA13569 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ncatark.uark.edu (ncatark.uark.edu [130.184.41.248]) by comp.uark.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18713 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:24:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Unknown ([130.184.41.238]) by ncatark.uark.edu (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id TAA18191 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:24:50 GMT Message-Id: <199710031924.TAA18191@ncatark.uark.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Steve Diver" To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:13:42 +0000 Subject: EPA's Index of Watershed Indicators Reply-to: steved@ncatark.uark.edu X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 58 SAN-Net'ers, Did ya'll see that brand new web site introduced on C-Span yesterday by Carol Browner, Administrator of EPA? Check it out! EPA's Index of Watershed Indicators http://www.epa.gov/surf/iwi/ A really cool feature is the ability to search by zip code, county, city, tribe, school, airports, rivers, lakes, or parks, to find the watershed in your region....and associated data. Locate Your Watershed http://www.epa.gov/surf/surf_search.html -- steved@ncatark.uark.edu To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Fri Oct 3 17:43:22 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22536; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27718; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id RAA02848 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id RAA02792 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (lax@darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id RAA18929 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (lax@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA12748 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Goodman To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: food safety article (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 59 dr folks. . .this may not exactly fit, but may have interesting consequences for a great many people here and abroad. . .looks suspiciously like a possibility to wield more non-tariff barriers if you ask (cynical ol') me. . . any thoughts? Mike Goodman Geography Department University of Oregon President Wants to Tighten Rules on Imported Produce By JAMES BENNET October 3, 1997 WASHINGTON -- Acting after several outbreaks of disease linked to the burgeoning global trade in produce, President Clinton announced Thursday that he would ask Congress to require federal regulators to ban imports of fruit and vegetables from countries that do not meet American food safety standards. The move, urged by regulators since shortly after Clinton first took office and welcomed Thursday by industry and consumer groups, would empower the Food and Drug Administration to safeguard foreign fruit and vegetables in much the same way that other federal regulators check meat and poultry from overseas. Clinton said that he would ask for more money from Congress next year for the FDA to hire investigators to inspect not just produce, but also foreign farming methods and government safety systems. In a change that might irk some U.S. trading partners, countries that blocked the new FDA inspections would be forbidden to sell fruit and vegetables in the United States, the administration said. "At the time when Americans are eating more and more food from around the globe, we must spare no effort to insure the safety of our food supply from whatever source," Clinton said at a Rose Garden ceremony to announce his proposals Thursday. "Our food safety system is the strongest in the world, and that's how it's going to stay." Imports of produce have increased sharply in recent years, to 38 percent of the fruit consumed by Americans and 12 percent of the vegetables. With those imports, however, have come recent outbreaks of diseases brought across borders by Guatemalan raspberries, Mexican cantaloupes and Thai coconut milk, causing public alarm that might make Congress sympathetic to Clinton's proposals. But American trading partners may eventually choose to protest any ban on their products to the World Trade Organization, much as the United States on Wednesday said it would file a complaint with that organization protesting Japan's stringent test for pesticides on American nectarines, cherries and other fruit. The United States sells twice as much food abroad as it imports. Donna E. Shalala, the secretary of health and human services, said that Clinton would ask for $24 million annually to support the FDA's new international inspections. Another official said that if Congress acts on Clinton's proposal, the FDA would phase in its system for such inspections over the next several years. Thursday, Clinton also directed Shalala and the secretary of agriculture, Dan Glickman, to develop new, voluntary standards within a year for growing, processing, shipping and selling fruit and vegetables. The president said he also expected a report from them within 90 days on how to improve the monitoring of fruit and vegetables grown abroad. Though they backed the president's proposal, consumer and industry groups said that they were anxious about the details in the legislation, which the administration plans to offer next year. "What the president proposed today addresses many of the gaps," said Caroline Smith DeWaal, director of food safety for the Center for Science in the Public Interest. But, she added, "I would like to have mandatory standards rather than voluntary guidelines" for food manufacturers and handlers. For their part, White House aides predicted that meeting the voluntary guidelines would become an eye-catching industry selling point. A senior White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that it was hard to predict whether the president's initiative could raise prices of fruit and vegetables. But producers or sellers may have to pass on the costs of any modifications to consumers, he said. The main initiative announced Thursday -- requiring the FDA to bar foods imported from countries with substandard safety systems -- was recommended more than four years ago by David A. Kessler, then the commissioner of food and drugs. Kessler warned then that the nation's food-safety laws, essentially unchanged since 1938, were in "urgent need" of an overhaul. Contaminated food, he noted, kills an estimated 9,000 Americans a year and sickens millions, perhaps tens of millions. It still does. The food-safety system was marked by "enormous inefficiencies," he warned. It still is, according to a federal report published in May. The White House has already moved to institute one of Kessler's central proposals, a scientific system for controlling the risk of disease borne by seafood, meat and poultry. But no such system yet exists for fruit and vegetables, domestic or imported. The White House said Thursday that Clinton has been adopting Kessler's proposals piecemeal, addressing the most urgent needs first. Michael D. McCurry, the White House press secretary, said that Clinton was prompted to tighten monitoring of fruit and vegetables partly by several outbreaks of illness and reporting on the potential hazards by news organizations, including The New York Times. Clinton's move on food safety comes as he is seeking enhanced fast-track authority from Congress to negotiate trade deals. His opponents have charged that such deals lower barriers to food-borne diseases. Some opponents of granting the president fast-track authority -- a set of rules under which trade deals, once negotiated, would have to be voted on quickly and without amendment by Congress -- hailed Clinton's announcement Thursday. "I'm glad the fast-track debate has energized the president to do this," said Rep. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio. Brown and 85 other members recently sent Clinton a letter linking food safety and trade pacts. The White House said Clinton did not connect food safety to promoting his trade goals. The senior administration official said that he expected some members of Congress to use the initiative as political cover for voting to give the president greater trade authority. Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., who is chairman of the Agriculture Committee, will hold hearings on the initiative next week. The administration consulted with some foreign governments before Thursday's announcement, one administration official said, but still expects criticism from abroad. "There will be some negative reaction in some places, but it won't be the end of the world," he said. Some foreign representatives here worried that Clinton's proposals might be used to create trade barriers. The safety of imported food is "a serious issue coming very fast towards all of us in this new global world," said Ambassador John Biehl of Chile. He called the president's initiative "a good thing as long as it is equal for everyone" and not "used as an artificial barrier to free trade." Administration officials repeatedly said Thursday that there was no evidence that imported fruit and vegetables are less safe than American ones. But there is little data about the relative safety of domestic versus imported food, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in Atlanta. One percent or less of the actual number of food-borne illnesses are reported, analyzed, identified and successfully traced. While the Department of Agriculture monitors meat and poultry, produced here or abroad, the FDA is charged with safeguarding all other food, including fruit, vegetables, grains and seafood. But, unlike the Agriculture Department, the FDA can now send its investigators abroad only if they are invited, and agency inspections of the imports have dropped to less than half what they were five years ago. If Congress approves the president's proposal, the FDA is expected to hire 100 more investigators, who will examine foreign farming methods and food safety systems. Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Oct 4 02:30:11 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA05530; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA13359; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id CAA22105 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id CAA22100 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from comp.uark.edu (root@comp.uark.edu [130.184.252.197]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id CAA06363 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ncatark.uark.edu (ncatark.uark.edu [130.184.41.248]) by comp.uark.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA19778 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:02:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Unknown ([130.184.41.238]) by ncatark.uark.edu (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id GAA20784 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 06:02:51 GMT Message-Id: <199710040602.GAA20784@ncatark.uark.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Steve Diver" To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:51:38 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to Methyl Bromide Yields Benefits to Farmers Reply-to: steved@ncatark.uark.edu X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 61 Research on Alternatives to Methyl Bromide Yields Benefits to Farmers A side benefit of the search for alternatives to methyl bromide, scheduled for phase-out in 2001, is the research and education on cultural practices and biological controls that are common to organic agriculture, or are closely aligned with technologies appropriate to sustainable agriculture: *crop rotations *cover crops to enhance soil foodweb *fumi-toxic brassica cover crops *soil amendments--compost, animal manures, green manures, sewage sludge, animal byproducts, fish byproducts, chitin, brassica green chop *soil solarization *steam pasteurization *hot water *microbial antagonists--SoilGaurd, Mycostop, Promot *microbial nematacides--DiTera *microbial inoculation--mycorrhizae, trichoderma *natural biological control of soil pathogens--antagonism, competition, antibiotics, induced resistance, suppressive soils, predation *disease-suppressive composts *resistant varieties *cultural practices--delayed planting, transplants, microbial inoculation, cover crops, soil amendments While methyl bromide has played an important role in the development of certain horticultural industries, especially in California and Florida, an instructive note is that 90-95% of all crops in the U.S. are grown without fumigants like methyl bromide. The situation in Florida and California is skewed, largely due to production of continuously cropped monocultures such as strawberries, tomatoes, and peppers on high value land. Nursery and ornamental crops account for 10% of methyl bromide use in the U.S. The soils that produce grain crops on the vast acreages of farmland, as well as those that support small-acreage horticultural crops in many parts of the country , do not require fumigation because husbandry practices do not push soil-borne diseases and nematodes to the limit. Thus, for a majority of farmers, methyl bromide is a non-issue. And for the methyl bromide-dependent California and Florida farmers, there is information emerging which suggests that adoption of sustainable farming technologies, especially those that focus on soil health, is a necessary step. Three resources on alternatives to methyl bromide worth a look: 1. 1996 Annual International Research Conference on Methyl Bromide Alternatives and Emissions Reductions, proceedings of a conference held November 4-6, 1996 in Orlando, Florida. 2. IPM Alternatives to Methyl Bromide, a compilation of articles from The IPM Practitioner 3. Methyl Bromide Alternatives, a USDA web site with full-text articles and technical reports http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/july1997/index.htm ============================================= Selected articles from USDA's Methyl Bromide Alternatives site: ============================================= Biologically Controlling Soilborne Pests: A Research Overviews http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/jan97/soilpest.htm California Strawberries: An Integrated Approach Overview http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/jan97/calstraw.htm Soil Amendments Instead of Methly Bromide? http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/jan97/amend.htm Effect of Soil Solarization & Cover Crops on Soilborne Pests & Plant Pathogens http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/oct96/soil.htm Netherlands' Alternatives to Methyl Bromide http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/oct96/nether.htm Potential Alternatives for Floriculture http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/july96/macdon1.htm Portable Unit Sterilizes Soil http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/july1997/steam.htm Broccoli Chemical Soil Fumigants http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/july96/subbar1.htm Alternatives to MeBr for Control of Soilborne Pests of Grapevines & Tree Fruits & Nuts http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/oct96/grapev.htm Use of Hot Water for Nematode Control: A Research Summary http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/april96/noling.htm DiTera: Controlling Nematodes Biologically http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/jan97/ditera.htm SoilGard Story http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/jan96/lumsden.htm Southern Root-knot Nematode Resistant Bell Peppers http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/july1997/pepper.htm Summary of 1995-96 Large-Scale Field Demonstration/Validation Plots for Soil Solarization (Tomatoes) http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/mba/april97/techrpt.htm =============================================== Steve Diver ATTRA http://www.attra.org -- steved@ncatark.uark.edu To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sat Oct 4 11:36:08 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10849; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24867; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id KAA21373 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id KAA21350 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id KAA19169 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s20.term1.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.150]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA09880; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 07:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971004075857.007b74e0@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 07:58:57 -0700 To: Erorganic@aol.com, sals@rain.org, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Cc: smallfarm-mg@maat.reeusda.gov In-Reply-To: <971003100352_-763134745@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 62 At 10:06 AM 10/3/97 -0400, Erorganic@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-09-30 11:24:49 EDT, sals@rain.org writes: > ><< Subj: > Recent proposals by both the State and Federal governments are threatening > to require that we spend more and more time filling out forms,paying > fees,and handling the requirements of an ever growing bureaucracy > established to regulate "Organic". there is something wrong when those who > are trying to straighten out agriculture are being taxed and burdened with > inspections and paperwork while those who continue to pollute and deplete > are subsidized and allowed to continue, > >eak: I cannot speak for California's CDFA, but the USDA National Organic >Program can and will, if organic farmers and others actively participate in >the public comment period on the Proposed Organic Rule, streamline all the >forms and the time necessary to be certified organic. All of California's >existing statutes and the operative polices, standards and guidelines of all >private and State certifiers will be null and void upon implementation of the >USDA's National Organic Program. To me that means Californians or others who >have felt afflicted by past and added on state laws that apply to organic >production and certification have a whole new lease to redesign those laws. > The Organic Foods Production Act supersedes all private and State >certification programs. Under OFPA private certification organizations (as >well as States) may apply for USDA accrediation. That means that accredited >organic certifiers will certify that a farm or handling operation applicant >is utilizing a system of organic farming or handling as defined by OFPA, its >Rules and Policies. Under OFPA there is only one standard for organic >farming and handling in the US. Only States (not private certifiers) can >apply to the Secretary of Agriculture for approval of a state organic >certification program which must not conflict with OFPA in any way, but may >contain more restrictive requirements and standards than OFPA, must further >the purposes of OFPA and only applies to organic farmers and handlers within >the state. It seems absurd that any state would want to place an undue >burdan on its own farmers and handlers that farmers and handlers in other >states do not have to follow to market in that particuliar state. If a >state does secure approval from the Secretary for a State Organic Program, >all private accredited organic certifiers in the State have to conform to the >State Program as well as the USDA/NOP program. So, implementation of OFPA >will open the door to re-evaluate all existing State organic programs, their >standards and policies. > This is just sweet talk saying that the certifier,inspector,local certifier,state and fed. gov. can tax organic farmers . No organic farmer I know of thinks this is to help the farmer it is to protect the comsumer. So they have to sweeten it up and con farmers into thinking it is for them because they need the organic farmer to pay for them to enforce it. They need someone to tax so they act like it is to help farmers but it is really an attempt to suck money out of them.Bottom line-- it is a tax on organic farming. And the poor organic farmers that cannot afford it must get out of business . These bully boys are going to suck money out of every organic farmer in the US if he sells $5000 in a whole year of crops . Look at the energy they are sucking out of the organic movement. The state of Ca. has suck hundred of thousands of dollars out of us already. The USDA are going to suck money from hard working farmers (carry boxes,plant fields,weeders,prunders,handlers,packers etc you get the idea ) and give that money to pencils pushers that produce no product and must get their income from hard working people. yes they will let you actively participate in the public comment which is a big act . I have been in these public comments before and check it out. They had a public comment when they allowed cows to be injected with a lab made genetically engendered growth hormone. I heard the public comments and most were against the part were the USDA would not label their handy work. the comments went on for days with people telling how it was bad for the poorer farmers and bad for the cows etc. for days and day but the USDA did what they wanted too and I was there when they had a public comment on BHT DNA in plants and the public told them about resistance and so forth but the USDA did what they wanted to anyway . this public comment time is a way to pacify the people while they frame their mischief and call it law. In the public comment time the only thing the poor organic farmer will find out it that truly they have made a political football out of their lively hood. We were sold out > Many of those who supported the move to have the state and federal > governments police our movement and those who sought approval from Uncle > Sam have quickly realized that they made the proverbial deal with the > devil. Unfortunately it is too late to stop the weels of bureaucracy, we > will need to gather together (in the way that this movement was originally > built) and ask ourselves some difficult questions. > > The undersigned invite you to a meeting at 7:00 pm Monday October 6, in the > Music Room of the Montessori school located at 401N. fairview ave. (across > the street from the Goleta Public Library and Fairview Gardens). Please > park in the back parking lot, walk through the gate in the middle of the > fence. there is a map on the gate showing the location of the Music Room. > > Please come join us to both educate ourselves on how the new legislation > will effect us and to seek ways that we can help each other through the > mire this will create., > > > ------Hey Hey whats that sound every one look whats going down!--------- > I grow organic and am certified by CCOF and also have to pay the state of > >>>Ca. to sell organic soon the feds will also tax us to sell organic and > >>this is way too much regulation. > > >eak: Regulation is not going to go away. In fact, we organic farmers and >handlers developed it. CCOF, QAI, OCIA have attempted to be regulatory >agencies without any teeth. Under OFPA they will have teeth, and in turn >will have to tow the line of meeting consistent and uniform national >standards for how they carry on their certification activities. Again, the >questions that remains are does implementation of OFPA impinge on the ability >of certified organic farmers and handlers to develop markets and maintain a >decent income and way of life? The answer is clear and simple. The US is a >democracy. A democracy demands active participation, especially if some >activity of the governing or regulatory process effects an individuals life >and income. The major opportunity for each of us to actively participate is >coming shortly before or after Thanksgiving--the beginning of the public >comment period on the Proposed Rule. Informed public comment via email or >writing is in order for the next 3 to 4 months after this date. Three public >meetings are planned to be held possibly in Richmond, VA or Pittsburg, PA, >St. Louis, MO and Sacramento, CA or Eugene, OR. where USDA will answer >questions on the content of the Proposed Rule. Further it has been suggested >that a National Organic Standards Board meeting will be held where further >public input may be made on the Proposed Rule. Date and location unspecified >as of now. it is true that we organic farmers created CCOF, QAI, OCIA and organic rules but we have been sold out to the control freaks. kiss all the work we did good by. CCOF,QAI and all the others will be taking their orders from USDA and they also will have to pay and bow down because they are no longer ours they belong to the USDA and the USDA has a different agenda then organic growers. . organic farmer is now a political football left to the whims ,pack money,back door deals and wild hairs of the folks that have nothing better to do than set around a room and vote .And believe me they are good at this part of the game because that is were they get their moneys. >eak: On cost to be certified organic under the USDA/NOP: actual cost of >certification including inspection fees are up to the USDA accredited >certifying agent. However, OFPA does say that the USDA Organic Program will >provide for the collection of reasonable fees from producers, certifying >agents and handlers. Under OFPA, every farmer or handler can shop around for >whom they feel is most reasonable and that they find most satisfactory to be >their certifier. There will be a new fee, the fee for accreditation, that >will be charged to certifying agents. In fact, we know this will be passed >on along to the farm or handling operation applicant by the certifier. > Nonetheless, the additional fee should meet the criteria of resonableness. > Numerous times over the last 5 years, the actual additional cost for the >USDA/NOP as it is outlined in OFPA has been calculated. The results are >always the same. $15 to $25 per year, per organic farmer will finance the >program. This does not even count handlers. There is no reason the fee >charged first to the certifier, then to the farmer and handler needs to >exceed $20 for each farm. The fees could be pro rated by acres or a general >category of amount of sales that the farmer or handler pays on an honesty >system. The question is can I afford to pay say $20 a year for the benefits >of a consistent, uniform standard of organic farming, handling and >certification--for all organic imports into the US having to meet the >equivalent standards US farmers and handlers have to meet--for the option of >each certified organic farmer and handler being able to use a national seal >identifying my product as meeting the USDA National Organic Program >standards? And there are a lot more benefits. Please name the benefits because I can sure name the costs . I feel the cost the benefits are in your mind. Please don't fool the people we know it will cost a lot more that $ 20 a year that is just the what the USDA expects to get from every organic grower in the whole US. every year for the rest of time. This is an added tax on top of what we are already paying. This guy is sure good at sweet talking us and making us think it will only be $20 but most of us know it will cost us lots lots more and a organic grower should not have to pay 1 cent in extra tax because he grows and sells organic. They want to make a law let them pay for it. you give this guy $20 and that guy 75 for the state and this other guy 200 to the inspector and 25 for the local chapter and 125 to the main chapter plus a percent of your crop. Tell it like it is : It is an extra tax of those that grow and sell organic that have done nothing wrong. > > >Do you think organic certification should be eliminated completely? > > Obviously I can't speak for Sal, but he is one of the people who pays > my salary in working for the organization that certifies him. Our > members believe in certification, otherwise they wouldn't join. And > most are painfully aware of the fraud of which you speak. Our members > overwhelmingly supported the state and federal law under the > assumption that fraud would be sharply reduced, benefitting both > consumers and legitimate organic producers. > > However, at this point certification in California and most of the > rest of the country is optional for those who label their product as > organic. Registration fees did not go to enforcement the first year or > two ('91-'92) and were instead commingled with the general fund in the > state at the time of fiscal gridlock. This led to growing discontent > among our members toward the law. While the funds were restored to the > program, and things improved, many of our members are still > disappointed with what they are getting for the hundreds of thousands > of dollars they contribute to the California registration program on > top of what we charge them to be certified. > > >eak: These are good points. The problem rests in Sacramento, not the >USDA/NOP. No your right the USDA/NOP is a brand new tax on those good folks that work hard growing organic. It is the USDA/NOP/mafia move on our money. If the USDA think organic farmers are not following the law let the USDA pay for the enforcement that is their job mine is growing organic not paying for organic gastopo.. I did not do anything wrong and I don't need a expensive baby sitter that I am being forced to take and there is something wrong when those who are trying to straighten out agriculture are being taxed and burdened with inspections and paperwork while those who continue to pollute and deplete are subsidized and allowed to continue, I should be free to chose to grow organic and free to sell my crop as organic if it is. I should not have to pay the Mafia bully boys to stay in bussiness. > Even when certification becomes mandatory for producers who sell more > than $5,000 worth of product, people will still have the choice of > whether to label their product as organic or not. However, the > prospect of the Federal government collecting user fees from growers, > and from certifiers who will have no choice but to pass those fees on > to the growers, > > The question then becomes who should bear the cost, and are organic > farmers paying their fair share or more than their fair share for > doing what they believe is the right thing. > >eak: Some details of cost above. Complete analysis of USDA/NOP cost is >available. Yea they all have the costs available. yeah joe needed a new computer and you farmers will have to pay for it. yeah pet needed a new car you organic growers will have to pay for it.yeah jim needs a motel room and you organic farmers will have to pay for it. yeah all these folks have to eat too so you organic growers will have to pay for them after all they are not producing anything and you are so you poor small farmers should give it up because you grow organic. here it is in black and white the cost and here is the bill and guess what you are force to pay it. > > >Who should pay for this? > > Here's an idea. How about a tax on pesticides? Unfair, you say? > Robbing Peter to pay Paul? Not if you consider .... and hold on to > your chair 'cause i'll say it only once .... that organic farmers use > pesticides. That's right. Only a small handful of the vast array of > pesticides that are out there, and really never as the only means of > crop protection. Most of them are relatively innocuous, like soap, > Bt, garlic. Yet in California, the mil tax on a pound of any of those > products is the same as the tax on, say, aldicarb, methyl bromide or > parathion. > > Even in simplistic terms, why should farmers pay the same tax on > Category III pesticide (the least acutely toxic) as they do on those > in Category I (the most toxic)? If a given pesticide causes relatively > few injuries, is not persistant on food or in the environment, and > causes relatively little collateral damage, pound for pound, where is > the justice in taxing that the same as a product that contaminates > groundwater, depletes ozone or inhibits cholinesterase in nearby > schoolchildren? > > Our members wanted to see the mil tax applied to funding the > enforcement of the organic act, but the legislature received enormous > pressure from the agrichemical complex to lower the mil tax during the > last legislative session. We were one of the few voices among > agricultural producers who favored maintaining the mil tax and fought > the efforts to cut it about 25%. > >eak: Sounds like a 10 year project. I support it, others might. USDA/NOP is >now at hand. Yes you are right this will be a whole new tax on organic growers. the USDA/NOP is in a room right now making up the tax they are going to charge me because I am organic. The big move by the control freaks is now at hand. Get ready to bow down and kiss up.yes boss yeah boss should I just a little higher. oh thank you boss. > >But do you think consumers would want to pay the same > >price for your goods if they weren't certified organic? > >After all, isn't that what being > >organic is really all about? People who truly care about the environment >are > >willing to make sacrifices. That's why many consumers of organic products >are > >willing to pay a higher price for those goods. > > When people buy food produced by methods that pollute water and air, > poison farmworkers, kill wildlife and leave higher residual levels of > carcinogenic pesticides, they are getting more than what they pay for. > They have this choice, and choose overwhelmingly to buy non-organic > instead of organic food. Yet most consumers, when surveyed, don't want > to cause this kind of destruction. > > To use economic jargon, organic farmers internalize many if not most > of these internal costs. That makes their costs of production higher > and therefore requires that they receive a higher price in order to > remain economically viable. Organic food is not perfect, but IMHO it > is our best alternative. It is not that organic food is too expensive, > it is that conventional food doesn't reflect the full cost of > production. > >eak: Absolutely correct in the last sentence. oh gee thanks eak . there is something wrong when those who are trying to straighten out agriculture are being taxed and burdened with inspections and paperwork while those who continue to pollute and deplete are subsidized and allowed to continue, Not one cent extra that is reasonable to me. > Production methods for all farmers will improve if we stop penalizing > those who protect the environment and make the polluter pay. > > > Sal said ---I don't think organic growers should have to pay one extra cent > to grow and sell their organic food as organic. > >eak: One point. Under OFPA, no accredited certifier can charge a percent of >gross sales to be USDA/NOP certified. A private certifier can charge you a >percent of gross sales to be a member of their private organization and use >their private seal. Under OFPA for a State to charge a USDA certified >organic farmer or handler a fee, the Secretary of Agriculture will have to >approve such. They force us to pay a certifier and then leave us to the mercy of those certifiers . The certifier don't have enough inspector now. inspectors are few and far between and guess what the organic farmer get to pay the gas ,motel room,massgae girl etc. all the cost no mater how far these inspector have to travel. the full cost will be on the backs of the organic farmer and he is FORCED to Pay. Those poor farmers that live in out of the way places I feel sorry for you. Poor farmers that cannot afford all this will be forced out of bussiness. $5000 is too small . This is the small farms listserver does that mean that it is for folks that sell under $5000. What is a small farm? is $5000 and under considered a small farm. I don't think so. What is the average per annual sells of farms in the US so I can get an idea of what is small. > > ----------------------- >> > > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 07:49:56 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27491; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA10887; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id HAA18372 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id HAA18368 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id HAA19762 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s22.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.182]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA15760; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 04:12:21 -0700 To: Erorganic@aol.com, sals@rain.org, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Cc: smallfarm-mg@maat.reeusda.gov In-Reply-To: <971003100352_-763134745@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 63 It has been said of me that I sound angry.I am and in this time in history when the family farm is disappearing in record numbers.the UDSA/NOP is being cruel and heartless saying that a small farm is $5000 or less and anything over $5000 should be taxed. In this day of farm aid, in this day while we are trying to get to help to small family farmers and save the small farm the last thing they need is a tax if they chose to farm organic. This just showed me that the USDA/NOP is a heartless bunch of people that only want to tax the poor in order to support their own exsistance. The average size of farms in Virginia increased from 181.97 acres in 1982 to 196.51 acres in 1992, an increase of nearly 8 percent. At the same time, the number of farms decreased by 18.6 percent from 51,859 to 42,222. The amount of land in farms fell by 12 percent from more than 9.4 million acres in 1982 to just under 8.3 million acres a decade later. So farm size is increasing while the big fish eat the little fish. It looks to me like a small farm would fall at about 50 acres or less. There is a direct link between small farmers and the promotion of sustainable agriculture efforts. In order to encourage this link, we should not tax the small organic farmer. this taken from the North Carolina Rural Economic Development Center on loss of small farms http://www2.ncredc.org/ncredc/papers/smfarmses.html A loss of 13,544 farms (18.6% of the 72,792 present in 1982 A loss of 2,049 minority farms (38.3% of the 5,352 present in 1982) A loss of 6,627 small farms (22.1% of the 29,968 farms of less than 50 acres present in 1982)1 Here it is again 50 or less acres is considered a small farm. I think anything under 50 acres should qualify for the small farmers exemption http://www.cfarm.com/nosb/OrganicCrop/4farmer.htm I do not know where the USDA/NOP came up with the $5000 number but I can not get by the very first line in the NOP. it states that those selling only $5000 will be qualify for the small farmers exemption. This number is way to small and the NOP will be a burden on the small farmer that we so much want to save. This oppression on the poor would make a wise man mad. The introduction of new crops, animal enterprises, and new methods of structuring agricultural production make the effective delivery of agriculture technological, financial management, and marketing services to diverse clientele more important than in the past. Organic farming give the small farmer hope and we should help them not tax them. All the people that are trying to save the small farmer should take note of what these people are doing by taxing the small farmer. Most people with small farms have to work off farm just to keep it together and the NOP wants to take money out of their mouths. there is something wrong when those who are trying to straighten out agriculture are being taxed and burdened with inspections and paperwork while those who continue to pollute and deplete are subsidized and allowed to continue, Go ! Farm Aid save the small farmer from loosing their farm Booo! NOP just another tax on the poor. 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 10:15:05 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29028; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29565; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id JAA20213 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id JAA20172 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id JAA23037 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s12.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.172]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20439; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971005064841.007b1ce0@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 06:48:41 -0700 To: sal , Erorganic@aol.com, sals@rain.org, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Cc: smallfarm-mg@maat.reeusda.gov In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> References: <971003100352_-763134745@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 64 The USDA seems to want to help the small farmer so why the tax on the small organic farmer when the USDA just asked : We are seeking testimony from various sources to arrive at conclusions and recommendations that will ensure the continued viability of small farms. The Commission requests that testimony and comments include ideas and recommendations based on the following questions. Concerns or problems of individual farms that relate to specific USDA programs should be addressed only in the context of a recommendation for the Commission to consider. The questions are: 1. How are current USDA programs helping or hurting the viability of small farms? 2. What are the needs of small farms in terms of financing, research, extension, marketing and risk management and other areas? What recommendations would you make about these needs that could be part of a long-range strategy to ensure the continued viability of small farms? 3. Are there innovative non-governmental or state efforts to assist beginning and smaller independent farms that might be replicated or supplemented at the Federal level? 4. What changes in USDA policy or practices are needed to make USDA programs in the areas of credit, research, extension, marketing, risk management and other areas more effective in enabling small farms to survive and thrive? 5. What new programs could provide effective and affordable support for small farmers as commodity programs are phased out? I say you can start by not charging the poor organic farmer just because he want to sell his organic products as organic. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 10:24:53 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29126; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01079; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id JAA27110 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id JAA27106 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id JAA23178 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s12.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.172]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20623; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971005065508.007b08b0@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 06:55:08 -0700 To: sal , Erorganic@aol.com, sals@rain.org, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Cc: smallfarm-mg@maat.reeusda.gov In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> References: <971003100352_-763134745@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 65 I feel that if the USDA truly wants to help the small farmer they would not charge the small farmer one cent extra if he want to sell his organic crop as organic., The USDA says they are looking to help the small farmer by starting things like this: : We are seeking testimony from various sources to arrive at conclusions and recommendations that will ensure the continued viability of small farms. The Commission requests that testimony and comments include ideas and recommendations based on the following questions. Concerns or problems of individual farms that relate to specific USDA programs should be addressed only in the context of a recommendation for the Commission to consider. The questions are: 1. How are current USDA programs helping or hurting the viability of small farms? 2. What are the needs of small farms in terms of financing, research, extension, marketing and risk management and other areas? What recommendations would you make about these needs that could be part of a long-range strategy to ensure the continued viability of small farms? 3. Are there innovative non-governmental or state efforts to assist beginning and smaller independent farms that might be replicated or supplemented at the Federal level? 4. What changes in USDA policy or practices are needed to make USDA programs in the areas of credit, research, extension, marketing, risk management and other areas more effective in enabling small farms to survive and thrive? 5. What new programs could provide effective and affordable support for small farmers as commodity programs are phased out?[[Page 45618]] 6. What can be done to assist beginning farmers and farm workers to become farm owners? 7. What role should the Federal government play to ensure a diversified, decentralized and competitive farm structure? 8. What do small farms contribute to your community and your state? 9. What other generic issues pertaining to small farms should the Commission consider? I would say that the USDA will go a long way to help the small farmer by raising the small farmers exemption to 50 acres or more before the extra expenses kicks in. http://www.cfarm.com/nosb/OrganicCrop/4farmer.htm To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 10:28:34 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29200; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01621; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id KAA29378 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id KAA29369 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id KAA23862 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s12.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.172]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA20900; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971005070346.007b08b0@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 07:03:46 -0700 To: sal , Erorganic@aol.com, sals@rain.org, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Cc: smallfarm-mg@maat.reeusda.gov In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> References: <971003100352_-763134745@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 66 1043-43 dated July 9, 1997, established the National Commission on Small Farms (Commission) and further identified the Natural Resources Conservation Service to provide support to the Commission. The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information regarding small farms and ranches and recommend to the Secretary of Agriculture a national policy and strategy to ensure their continued viability. The Commission's next meeting is October 14 and 15, 1997. The USDA/NOP cost may hurt the small organic farmer and handlers and they should rethink the $5000 and raise add a 0 to the end . They should say $50000 in farm sells to be fair to the small farmer and handlers http://www.cfarm.com/nosb/OrganicCrop/4farmer.htm To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 10:45:49 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29388; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04769; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id KAA05835 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id KAA05814 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id KAA24005 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s12.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.172]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21205; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971005071245.007b9ce0@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 07:12:45 -0700 To: sal , Erorganic@aol.com, sals@rain.org, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Cc: smallfarm-mg@maat.reeusda.gov In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> References: <971003100352_-763134745@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 67 It is well established that ecologically sound agriculture works on a >>>small scale and is profitable to some. >> >>In a high-priced niche specialist area, certainly.lets not hold these good folks back Recent proposals by both the State and Federal governments are threatening > to require that we spend more and more time filling out forms,paying > fees,and handling the requirements of an ever growing bureaucracy > established to regulate "Organic". there is something wrong when those who > are trying to straighten out agriculture are being taxed and burdened with > inspections and paperwork while those who continue to pollute and deplete > are subsidized and allowed to continue, To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 12:12:34 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02863; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24681; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id LAA24754 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id LAA24717 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id LAA25696 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp06.1stnet.com [206.104.46.6]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14376 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:31:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3437B021.2C22@1stnet.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 10:20:01 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 68 Sal, As an consumer of certified organic foods, what can I do to make sure that the grains, beans, and produce that I buy, are free from intentionally used manmade chemicals without the cost being passed on to the small grower, like yourself? Susan Snow To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 13:40:37 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03952; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13107; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id NAA19841 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id NAA18365 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmtx.acnet.net (mailmtx.acnet.net [170.76.16.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id NAA28271 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.ipnet ([167.114.21.44]) by mailmtx.acnet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA24213; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:06:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3437D41F.14FE@acnet.net> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 11:53:35 -0600 From: Douglas Hinds Reply-To: dhinds@ucol.mx Organization: Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sal CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers References: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 69 sal wrote: > > It has been said of me that I sound angry.I am It is clear to me that you raise valid points that should be presented to a concerned public. Since you are the one that sees and feels these things things (I myself am out of the U.S. most of the time and am not presently farming in the U.S. so you are certainly taking the heat more I am, for instance), you are the logical one to provide the leadership needed to drive these points home to the people in policy making positions. These people respond to pressures that come from numbers, from organized groups. I strongly suggest that you organize a movement to represent those who share your point of view. You may want to channel your passion in a colder but more effective way. You can be instrumental in getting these changes recognized and acted upon. I am not aware of anyone else putting the energy into this issue that you are (and knowing Eric K. personally, I doubt that he's going to be of much help - he certainly didn't follow though on any of the committments he made to me personally, or even return some things I foolishly loaned him), and I think you would be better off taking to time to put a name on your cause, (i.e. "Small Organic Farm Defense Movement - SOFDM or whatever), delineate your goals in print and collect enough signatures to either get the attention of policy makers or get a proposition on the ballot. I include below a (very) few of the points you've brought out that make a lot of sense: > the UDSA/NOP > is being cruel and heartless saying that a small farm is $5000 or less > and anything over $5000 should be taxed. It > looks to me like a small farm would fall at about 50 acres or less. > > There is a direct link between small farmers and the promotion of > sustainable agriculture efforts. In order to encourage this link, we > should not tax the small organic farmer. > > I think anything under 50 acres should qualify for the small farmers > > exemption. > I do not know where the USDA/NOP came up with the $5000 number but ... > This number is > way to small and the NOP will be a burden on the small farmer that we > so much want to save. > The introduction of new crops, animal enterprises, and new methods of > structuring agricultural production make the effective delivery of > agriculture technological, financial management, and marketing > > services to diverse clientele more important than in the past. > > Organic farming give the small farmer hope and we should help them not > tax them. > The questions are: > 1. How are current USDA programs helping or hurting the viability > of small farms? Let them know! > 2. What are the needs of small farms in terms of > financing, research, extension, marketing and risk management and > < other areas? > What recommendations would you make about these needs that could be > part of a long-range strategy to ensure the continued viability of > < small farms? Ditto! > 3. Are there innovative non-governmental or state efforts to assist > beginning and smaller independent farms that might be replicated or > supplemented at the Federal level? Get your movment organized and on the map. > 4. What changes in USDA policy or practices are needed to make USDA > programs in the areas of credit, research, extension, marketing, risk > management and other areas more effective in enabling small farms to > survive and thrive? Provide feedback - but do it as an organization. You'll have to form one, if you haven't yet. > 5. What new programs could provide effective and affordable support > for small farmers as commodity programs are phased out? Take them up on it. Present them with a program. > 6. What can be done to assist beginning farmers and farm workers to > become farm owners? Tell them - Withdraw the tax or raise the acreage requirements. > 7. What role should the Federal government play to ensure a > diversified, decentralized and competitive farm structure? Provide your input. > 8. What do small farms contribute to your community and your state? Tell them. > 9. What other generic issues pertaining to small farms should the > Commission consider? Etc. >I would say that the USDA will go a long way to help the small farmer > by raising the small farmers exemption to 50 acres or more before the > extra expenses kicks in. > The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information > regarding small farms and ranches and recommend to the Secretary of > Agriculture a national policy and strategy to ensure their continued > viability. The Commission's next meeting is October 14 and 15, 1997. Be there and be heard! > The USDA/NOP cost may hurt the small organic farmer and handlers and > > they should rethink the $5000 and raise add a 0 to the end . They > > > should say $50000 in farm sells to be fair to the small farmer and > > handlers I'm sure you get the picture. -- Douglas M. Hinds, Director General Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. (CeDeCoR) (Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non profit) Petronilo Lopez No. 73 (Street Address) Apdo. Postal No. 61 (Mailing Address) Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO U.S. Voice Mailbox: 1 630 300 0550 (e-mail linked) U.S. Fax Mailbox: 1 630 300 0555 (e-mail linked) Tel. & Fax: 011 523 412 6308 (direct) e-mail: cedecor@ipnet.com.mx, dmhinds@acnet.net, dhinds@.ucol.mx To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 15:41:03 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07239; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10818; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id OAA12647 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id OAA12587 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id OAA01291 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s18.term1.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.148]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03961; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971005113125.007b6960@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 11:31:25 -0700 To: sksnow@1stnet.com, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers In-Reply-To: <3437B021.2C22@1stnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 70 I am not asking for no regulations I am saying why burden the small farmer. Did you read=20 http://www.cfarm.com/nosb/OrganicCrop/4farmer.htm They still have to follow reg. yet they can avoid the cost. The thing is a small farmer annual sells is way to low and should be raised because it is set way to low poor small farmers will be forced to pay the state ,the certifier, the inspector,the local chapter of the certifier and the fed. gov money which they may need to live on. Do you really want to tax the small farmer . How many penile pushers does it take to prove to you we farm organic. How many people to we have to pay off and how much of our hard earned money do we have to pay out for doing nothing wrong?=20 I have been certified organic for years and every year the cost goes up yet I have not change the way I farm. every year I have to pay off all these folks that do not help one bit in growing organic and why I farm no different this year than I did last. Why not check each farmer every day or even every min. This is crazy that every year there is a new cost and a new level of big government bureaucracy that I am force to pay. I have to go through all this and I never change from year to year. I am the same . just because it is `1997 I am still the same but yet I have to go through this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and pay and pay and pay and pay and pay . every year pay the state every year pay a inspector and every year pay the certifier pay pay pay for what I am the same I am farming the same why should all these folks be supported by my hard work. I did nothing wrong so why tax me.=20 I can not afford it. That does not mean my crop is not organic . It is not the money we are forced to pay that makes us organic it is the way we grow. =20 Will you not accept : (1) Signature on a completed Declaration form, which attests to a thorough knowledge of the provisions of the OFPA and to the production and handling of organic products according to the OFPA. (2) The development of an Organic Farm and/or Handling Plan, in accordance with the requirements of the OFPA. (3) The establishment of record-keeping adequate to trace an organic product from production site through to sale for consumption. Records must be kept for five years. (4) The provisions of public access to the above document=20 Exempted Small Farmers who demonstrate compliance with the OFPA shall be able to market non-certified organic products from their farms directly to consumers at direct sales outlets.=20 Examples of direct sales outlets include roadside stands, farm markets, and consumer subscription programs (Community Supported Agriculture). Exempted Small Farmers who wish to market directly to retail outlets may do so by providing copies of the Declaration form to the individual retail outlet.(now this part I also do not agree with.) In no instance shall non-certified organic products be marketed through exporters, wholesalers, brokers, processors, or retail chain warehouses.=20 Why? If I am organic I should be able to sell to wholesalers,exporters and anyone else that will buy my crop. If I am a small farmer I need all the help I can get. =20 Furthermore, an exempt farmer may not sell or label an agricultural product as "certified organic" unless certified by an USDA-accredited certifying agency. The exempted Small Farmer and/or retail outlet may display the Small Farmer Declaration form at the place of sale. There shall be no mandatory filing requirements for the above small farmer exemption provisions. All required information must be on file and available on the premises of the exempted farmer . Is this enough for you? you can then buy certified or small farmer exempt. Or do you want a armed cop walking around the place every day and the farmer has to pay him. .Somewhere in all this is trust. you can if you wish to pay for it get the crop tested yourself. Why not let all the chemical farmers that sell over $5000 pay for it. =20 do you really think setting up a big government bureaucracy will help the consumer . it will only make the food cost more and at the same time=20 burden the small farmer and drive people that want to grow organic away . It has already. it is wrong to put an extra tax organic growers for selling organic produce as organic. I would think that the consumers like you would not want to see the poor farmer burden because he grows organic. There have been people that lie and they get caught now .There are lots of laws on the books that don't single out one group of folks to tax. The USDA can give a definition of what organic is and everyone will have to follow it or the USDA can catch them but don't tax the folks that are telling the truth and cannot afford it. You know how fast small farms are desipering? Tax the cheaters when you catch them and let the good folks farm organic with out the added tax and burdens. Use the money you get from catching the crooks like traffic tickets or breaking and entering these laws don't need to make poor small farmers pay for the enforcement . I think there should be a small farmer ex At 10:20 AM 10/5/97 -0500, Susan K. Snow wrote: >Sal, >As an consumer of certified organic foods, what can I do to make sure >that the grains, beans, and produce that I buy, are free from >intentionally used manmade chemicals without the cost being passed on to >the small grower, like yourself? > >Susan Snow > >To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". >To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command >"subscribe sanet-mg-digest". > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 15:58:11 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07454; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15195; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id PAA16348 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id PAA16321 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id PAA02649 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s14.term2.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.174]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07294; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971005122634.007b2100@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 12:26:34 -0700 To: sal From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: <3437D41F.14FE@acnet.net> References: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 71 At 11:53 AM 10/5/97 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: >sal wrote: >> >> It has been said of me that I sound angry.I am > >It is clear to me that you raise valid points that should be presented >to a concerned public. Since you are the one that sees and feels these >things things (I myself am out of the U.S. most of the time and am not >presently farming in the U.S. so you are certainly taking the heat more >I am, for instance), you are the logical one to provide the leadership >needed to drive these points home to the people in policy making >positions. that is my whole point !organic growing is now a political football and it is in the hands for those folks that play the political game the best not me I only know how to farm organic. . I have enough problems now. I have all ready made the certifiers,inspectors and USDA mad at me. Good let them know what every organic growers feels every day . Mistrust ! That is what they show me and I am a mirror so I mistrust them sameway. and it is not for any wrong they have done or that I have done/ . I like my certifier and have for years but they are busy saving their own rear ends. They have to fight for every inch and they don't seem to mind sacrificing the small farmers money to get their way. They sold us out trying to save us. The inspectors are not going to ask that the farmer not pay because they get their pay from us. you see all these folks that are supposed to be representing us now have to represent themselfs. And the state and the government say they know there needs to be regulations but who will pay for it and our own certifiers and others in the movement say get it from the farmer who grows organic . I say WRONG So I have to say please don't speak for me anymore as you seem to have walked all over me and I put my trust in you all and supported you all for years and you left me holding the bag. This is not what organic growing is about. They were supposed to be our mouth peace and they have done a bad job as it is the organic farmer that has to pay for this whole deal . Most small farmers are not into politics and now organic growing is a political football. I think the public comment is Bull shit and that we organic growers have already been hung up to dry. I have seen enough public comments to know its a lot of noise signifying nothing. The USDA is going to do what they want no matter what. They own all the words. It is their agenda and they have the guns. You need a law degree and a science degree just to talk to them. They don't have hearts they don't care about morals or religion or even ethics .they don't mind oppressing the poor .Just look they made the small farmer thing only $5000 every one that makes over that small amount is fair game for a tax. And it is not just one tax you have to pay off a whole lot of folks. If you cannot afford to pay off all these folks you are out of bussiness. You cannot reason with people like this. The only thing they know is "Show me the money." They don't want to see signatures they want to see the money!!!. The USDA says they want to help the small farmer yet in the same year they make up a special tax to drop right on them and them alone. Help like this I don't need. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 19:48:42 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10126; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05256; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id SAA25149 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id SAA25145 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x11.boston.juno.com (x11.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.26]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id SAA07669 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:58:07 -0400 (EDT) From: woodyw@juno.com Received: (from woodyw@juno.com) by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SCT27722; Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:57:08 EDT To: sksnow@1stnet.com, sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:53:39 -0400 Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Message-ID: <19971005.185342.11638.1.woodyw@juno.com> References: <3437B021.2C22@1stnet.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,9-10,12-13,16-22,24-38 Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 72 Susan: Here is one way to look at your question: << what can I do to make sure that the grains, beans, and produce that I buy, are free from intentionally used manmade chemicals>>: You can *give up* your own power to seek out such foods for yourself, by depending on third-party agencies, which may be competent [or not], which may uphold standards you you yourself would devise [or not], standards which may very soon be co-opted by the agribiz powers-that-be. OR You can seek out the food, grown by people you can trust, via CSA, or farmers' markets, or just plain legwork. For example, I have located unimpeachable sources for grains, raisins, lemons, avocados, persimmons, teas, coffee, bread. Fresh vegetables I grow for myself, and others. Woody Wodraska--Seeking Common Ground CSA Honeoye Falls, NY woodyw@juno.com "The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a comfortable living from a small piece of land." -A. Lincoln On Sun, 05 Oct 1997 10:20:01 -0500 "Susan K. Snow" writes: >Sal, >As an consumer of certified organic foods, what can I do to make sure >that the grains, beans, and produce that I buy, are free from >intentionally used manmade chemicals without the cost being passed on >to >the small grower, like yourself? > >Susan Snow > >To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe >sanet-mg". >To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command >"subscribe sanet-mg-digest". > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 19:54:28 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.gigabit-ethernet.org [152.2.254.82]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10179; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06506; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id TAA11571 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id TAA11507 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from romeo.its.uwo.ca (romeo.its.uwo.ca [129.100.2.60]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id TAA08623 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:25:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dmcleod@julian.uwo.ca Received: from ts5-4.slip.uwo.ca by romeo.its.uwo.ca with SMTP id TAA20517; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710052325.TAA20517@romeo.its.uwo.ca> X-Sender: dmcleod@julian.uwo.ca (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Subject: Volunteers X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 73 My wife and I have just finished a 21 month stint at the Kasisi Agriculture Training Centre at a Jesuit Mission in Zambia. I was involved in training staff in IPM and Sustainable Agriculture and set up and trained two Zambians to give workshops in SA. We gave 12, 3 and 5 day workshops to extensionists, primary school teachers and small scale farmers. My wife started and edited a newsletter for small scale farmers and worked with womens groups. I am a retired Entomologist with a number of years experience in IPM and SA. We are presently looking for volunteer positions in Central America or the Caribbean doing similar kinds of work. Any suggestions on where to look? TIA Glenn and Mary Jane McLeod To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Sun Oct 5 20:48:04 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (npc.press.org [152.2.254.83]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10555; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17812; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id UAA06485 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id UAA06481 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pearl.mhtc.net (pearl.mhtc.net [208.135.157.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id UAA09859 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hh1122191.direcpc.com (plat-cas1-cs-33.dial.mhtc.net [156.46.19.163]) by pearl.mhtc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/FNG) with ESMTP id TAA12690; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:02:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710060002.TAA12690@pearl.mhtc.net> From: "D.B.Sullivan" To: "sal" Cc: Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:58:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 74 ---------- Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmersand handlers it was written: I am not asking for no regulations I am saying why burden the small farmer. Did you read =============Comment Next time you go to grocery store and ask to buy some produce ask if its fresh ask the seller would you sign a declaration form under penalty of perjury subject to jail Ask that car dealer the same.....Will the saleman who sells your next suit of clothes who tells you that you look good in them do the same. Unfortunately we have lost trust in fellow human being, and make it federal case out of organics for the small producer is stupid. It seem that the O word cannot be used in mixed company so to speak. These regs impose criminal sanctions on what should clearly be a civil issue. This reg is well beyond PC especially since the O word can only be used in a limited context. I cannot say that my O practice is better and I dont even think I can even describe what it is. Please let me know if this correct. The new regs are designed to let largest corporate interest access to premium prices and dilute standards......With growth rates of over 20 % big business wants a cut. So to speak if I was king , I would raise the exemption to the average wage in America. Establish minimum standards and allow others who have better to say so. Since I am NOT king , and we have no king it won't happen.............. For a small producer who uses O word and fails to follow all this bull (manure) could easily blow 5 years gross defending himself. For example say a small producer tells his customer exactly how he produces his food but uses a previous approved method that is later outlawed but explains again this his practices.... That farmer could face jail under this....Yet he didnt rape , rob, steal, lie or kill . Think of it when he is the big house , his fellow inmates will ask what you are in for " He will say I used the "O" word, and they will say "rape, murder, robbery" There will be some justice He will be probably put on a Farm Release Program.... Question Can I use the "S" word --Sustainable or is that a crime also ????? To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Oct 6 00:07:54 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12276; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28329; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id XAA12596 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id XAA12537 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.berk.net (root@adams.berk.net [205.230.140.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id XAA16958 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.224.73.68] (gb1ip8.bcn.net [208.224.73.68]) by adams.berk.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA08803 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:23:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: csana@bcn.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:24:42 +0100 To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu From: csana@bcn.net (csana) Subject: N.E. Regional CSA Conference Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 75 NORTHEAST REGIONAL COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE CONFERENCE A FUTURE FOR FARMING IN THE NORTHEAST NOVEMBER 7-8, 1997 HANCOCK, MASSACHUSETTS Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) is the mutually beneficial arrangement whereby farmers and members cooperate to grow and distribute food. CSA is a rapidly expanding approach to marketing produce and is one of the most dynamic innovations in small-scale agriculture today. For many farmers across the country, CSA has proven to be an effective way to maintain profitable, environmentally sound farms. CSA of North America, in partnership with Just Food, UMass Extension and Wilson College, is convening this conference to address the challenges to, and explore the potential for, creating and operating successful CSA farms. The conference's goals are to: Support the successful development of existing CSA farms Promote the establishment of new CSA farms Increase public awareness of the importance of regional agriculture and CSA Educate Extension and other USDA staff about CSA The conference is designed to maximize the opportunities for exchange among farmers, CSA members, Extension personnel and others. If you are interested in CSA, please come to share and learn from one another.
Workshops are divided into five categories focusing on different aspects of CSA. In addition to those categories, other topics will be
presented in informal round table discussions. Each panelist will speak for about ten minutes, leaving a full hour for participant discussion and interaction. CSA CROP PRODUCTION CROP PRODUCTION AND CSA ON SIX ACRES OR LESS Janet Britt, NY Dan Guenther, NY Carol Rees, VT Sam Smith, MA CROP PRODUCTION AND CSA ON SEVEN ACRES OR MORE Jean-Paul Courtens, NY Michael Docter, MA Jim Kinsel, NJ SOIL MANAGEMENT Scott Chaskey, NY Sam Smith, MA Bob Walker, NY CROP SELECTION AND PRODUCTION FOR BEGINNERS Seth Jacobs, NY Steve Moore, PA TBA (to be announced) SEED VARIETIES FOR CSA C.R. Lawn, ME Tom Stearns, VT MECHANICAL WEED CONTROL AND MAXIMIZING EFFICIENCY Linda Hildebrand, MA Arnold Voehringer, MA FARM SCALE AND CSA Michael Docter, MA Tim Sanford & Susan Long, VT TBA SHARED PRODUCTION: MULTIPLE-FARM CSA Alan Matthews, PA TBA CSA MARKETING MIXING CSA AND OTHER MARKET OUTLETS Martha Daughdrill, MD David DeWitt, NY Sam Reist, PA MARKETING OTHER PRODUCTS THROUGH CSA Jennifer Castle, NY Marcie Shemaria, NY TBA MARKETING CSA TO INSTITUTIONS John Bachman, NY Polly Hutchison, RI TBA FARM-STAND CSA Jan Goranson & Rob Johansen, ME Skip Paul, RI TBA CSA ADMINISTRATION STARTING A CSA/PANEL OF GROWERS John Clark, CT Bambi Jones, ME Woody Wodraska, NY ASSESSING AND SECURING AFFORDABLE FARMLAND Chuck Matthei, CT Kathy Ruhf, MA COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS Will Newman, OR Susan Witt & Bob Swann, MA BUSINESS AND MEMBERSHIP LEGAL STRUCTURES FOR CSA Bill Gold, NJ Herb Lorentzen, MA Will Newman, OR BUDGETS AND ACCOUNTING FOR FARMERS Jill Agnew, ME Dan Kaplan, MA APPRENTICE TRAINING Paul Bernackey, ME Shane LaBrake, MD Katie Smith, NY Al Thorpe, MA LABOR LAWS AND APPRENTICES Doug Bowne, NY Doug Jones, NY CSA DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS Bob Bowser, IL Deb Denome, NY Tony Ricci, PA LEGAL ISSUES OF FOOD HANDLING Leslie Zuck, PA TBA CSA MEMBERSHIP STARTING A CSA/PANEL OF MEMBERS Sarah Lincoln-Harrison, MA Peter Mann, NY Ann Reid, MA MEMBER RECRUITMENT Cynthia Barstow, MA Bob Bowser, IL Nancy Schauffler, NY CORE GROUP DEVELOPMENT John Clark, CT Donna Garde, NY Pat Mannix, NY BUDGETS AND ACCOUNTING FOR CORE GROUPS Richard Lincoln-Harrison, MA Sarah Milstein, NY TBA COMMUNICATING WITH YOUR MEMBERSHIP Stuart McCarty, NY John Peterson, IL Sue & Rich Sisti, NJ MEMBER EVENTS AND INVOLVEMENT Elizabeth Henderson, NY David Inglis, MA Elizabeth Smith, MA WORKING SHARES Melissa Carlson, NY Steve Gilman, NY TBA DIVERSIFYING YOUR MEMBERSHIP Alison Clarke, NY Kate Larson, VT Liz Wheeler, CT LONG-TERM MEMBER SATISFACTION Frank Scheib, NY Marianne Simmons, NY TBA OTHER CSA TOPICS COMMUNITY SUPPORTED ANYTHING Donna Karsch, NY Jean Giblette, NY TBA THE ECONOMICS OF CSA Dan Lass, MA Cathy Roth, MA Tom Earle, NH GROWER QUALITY OF LIFE Richard Wiswall, VT Seth Jacobs, NY TBA WOMEN AND CSA FARMING Jill Agnew, ME Sharon Carlson, DE Scout Proft, VT CONNECTING URBAN COMMUNITIES & CSA FARMS Sarah Milstein, NY Chris Yoder, MA TBA STUDENT-RUN CSA Bennington College, VT Hampshire College, MA Rutgers University, NJ Wilson College, pA FOOD BANK CSA Mike Gable, PA TBA CSA IN THE GLOBAL MARKETPLACE Elizabeth Henderson, NY FARMS OF TOMORROW, REVISITED Trauger Groh, NH Steve McFadden, MD The conference will feature: DISPLAY AREA to exchange CSA farm literature. Bring copies of your brochure, newsletters, crop calendars, member handbooks and recipe books to share. PHOTO TABLE to display photos of your CSA and farm. Please bring along your album. RESOURCE AREA for organizations or individuals to display CSA materials. Contact Kathy Ruhf at (413) 323-4531 by Oct. 17. NOTICE BOARD for posting jobs, equipment for sale, etc. FAVORITE HAND TOOL SESSION. Bring a picture, description or example to share. ACTIVITIES: CSA REFLECTIONS BY TRAUGER GROH CSA PHOTO EXHIBIT BY CLEMENS KALISCHER POEMS and STORIES BY CSA FARMERS CSA FARM TOUR LOCAL, FARM-FRESH SEASONAL MEALS MUSIC and DANCING Conference Co-Sponsors: CSA of North America Just Food UMass Extension Wilson College Accokeek Foundation BioDynamic Farming and Gardening Association Cornell Cooperative Extension Hartford Food System Maine Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association NE Sustainable Ag Working Group New England Small Farm Institute New England Cooperative Extension Consortium PA Association for Sustainable Ag UVM-Center for Sustainable Ag Women's Agricultural Network SCHEDULE Friday November 7 8:00 - 9:00 Continental Breakfast 9:00 - 10:15 Registration 10:15 - 11:00 Introductory Remarks 11:15 - 12:45 First Session 1:00 - 2:00 Lunch 2:15 - 3:45 Second Session 4:00 - 4:30 Reflections by Trauger Groh 4:45 - 6:15 Third Session 6:30 - 7:30 Dinner 8:00 - 10:30 Socialize, Music & dancing Tavern open Saturday November 8 8:00 - 8:45 Breakfast 9:00 - 9:15 Announcements 9:30 - 11:00 Fourth Session 11:15 - 12:45 Fifth Session 12:45 - 1:30 Lunch 1:45 - 3:15 Sixth Session 3:30 - 4:00 Closure and Move Forward REGISTRATION Registration for both days is $35-50, sliding scale. One-day registration for either day is $20-30. In order to facilitate planning, especially for meal preparation, PLEASE register by October 17, 1997. If you cannot do so but intend to come, call (413) 528-4374. SCHOLARSHIPS Money is available to help defray costs of registration and lodging. If you need assistance beyond what is offered in the sliding scale fees, see the registration form for instructions. FOOD To celebrate the bounty of Northeast agriculture, local, seasonal foods will be prepared at meals as available. Attending farmers will be given first chance at selling food to the conference. Call (413) 528-4374 by Oct. 5th. LODGING On-site lodging is available for $35 per night per person triple occupancy, $45 per person double and $90 single. Rooms include kitchenettes. Other lodging includes on-site condos for groups and off-site camping. Call for more information. CHILD CARE Supervised child care will be provided during workshop hours. Parents will be required to assist for two hours during the conference. A small fee may be required at the time of the conference. Registration forms are required by October 17th if you wish child care. VOLUNTEERS Please let us know if you can donate a few hours of your time during the conference to help with audio-visual equipment, child care, etc. SITE The conference is situated at the beautiful Jiminy Peak Mountain Resort in the Berkshire region of western Massachusetts. The site provides ample conference facilities, tavern, heated pool and opportunities for outdoor activities including hiking and biking. DIRECTIONS >From the NORTH I-87, I-91, I-93 or I-95 south to I-90 and follow below directions from either the east or the west. >From the SOUTH Taconic Parkway North to Rt. 295 East. Rt. 22 North to Rt. 43 East. Four mi. on Rt. 43 to Brodie Mtn. Rd. Turn right. >From the EAST (Boston) I-90 (Mass Pike) West to Exit B-3 (Berkshire Spur section). Route 22 North to Rt. 43 East. Four mi. on Rt. 43 to Brodie Mtn. Rd. Turn right. >From the WEST (Albany) I-90 East to Exit 7. Left on Washington Ave. to Rt. 43 East. Continue about 25 mi. to the Jiminy Peak sign at Brodie Mtn. Rd. Turn right. REGISTRATION FORM NAME1_______________________________ NAME2_______________________________ FARM/ORG.____________________________ ST. ADDRESS___________________________ CITY_________________ST____ZIP________ PHONE______________FAX/eMAIL__________ Description Cost Number Total REGISTRATION Both days $35-50 Friday only $20-30 Saturday only $20-30 ON-SITE LODGING Single (Thursday night) $90 Double (Thursday night) $45 Triple (Thursday night) $35 Single (Friday night) $90 Double (Friday night) $45 Triple (Friday night) $35 MEALS Breakfast (Friday) $5 Lunch (Friday) $8 Dinner (Friday) $15 Breakfast (Saturday) $5 Lunch (Saturday) $8 Childrens meals are $3, $5 and $10 for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Do you require childcare. ______ List persons you have made arrangements with to share a room with on-site.__________________________________ Check if you can volunteer for a 2-hour session at the conference.___ Scholarship. Amount requested to defray costs of registration and lodging. _______ Make checks payable to: Laurie Cadorette, UMass Extension, 44 Bank Row, Pittsfield, MA 01201 If you have questions call Elizabeth or Jim 413-528-3474 or send us email at csana@bcn.net Elizabeth Keen CSA of North America 57 Jug End Road Great Barrington, MA 01230 (413) 528-4374 csana@bcn.net http://www.umass.edu/umext/CSA CSA West/ Community Supported Agriculture A Program of Community Alliance with Family Farmers (CAFF) PO Box 363 / Davis, California 95617 916-756-8518 / 916-756-7857 (fax) csawest@caff.org http://www.caff.org To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Oct 6 00:10:21 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (helios.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.3]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12289; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28827; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id XAA15179 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id XAA15148 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from telegraph.uwyo.edu ([129.72.60.11]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id XAA17041 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by telegraph.uwyo.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCD1D5.F8FB28A0@telegraph.uwyo.edu>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:30:59 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Deborah D. Paulson" To: "'sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu'" Cc: "Deborah D. Paulson" Subject: organic labelling Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:30:57 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 76 I have been following the organic labelling discussion with interest. Unfortunately, I do not have much information on the certification program being proposed by USDA. I would like to hear again from Charles Benbrook, as he is one of the few that seems to understand the certification program and support it. I am one of those that lives in a place where it is long (ecologically questionable) drive to get to a place that sells locally produced food - i.e., it is hard to get most of my food from a grower I can get to know (I live in Laramie, WY). So, buying most of my food from Safeway, I have to look for organic labels - it's all I have to go on. I would like to see certification, but why at the federal level, why must it be by government instead of cooperatives or NGOs, and why the USDA, whom I don't have a lot of trust in? Why not a sliding scale for the charge on certification (or is there one with $250 being the low end)? The overseas trade argument isn't much of a case for supporting a humane scale of agriculture, if we care about that at all. And is Sal right that it would actually be a criminal offense to use words like organic or naturally grown without meeting certification requirements? Why can't they have a USDA seal of certification, if they must, for the large farms who need overseas markets, but allow the generic use of the word organic? I would appreciate answers to these questions from someone who generally supports the USDA certification process. Thanks, Deb Paulson Dept. of Geography and Recreation University of Wyoming debp@uwyo.edu To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Oct 6 00:46:34 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.cearch.org [152.2.254.84]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA13476; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA05702; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id AAA09321 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id AAA06664 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmtx.acnet.net (mailmtx.acnet.net [170.76.16.10]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id AAA18236 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.ipnet ([167.114.21.48]) by mailmtx.acnet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA13965; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:09:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <34387090.66E2@acnet.net> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 23:01:04 -0600 From: Douglas Hinds Reply-To: dhinds@ucol.mx Organization: Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sal CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers References: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> <3.0.2.32.19971005122634.007b2100@rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 77 I sympathize with your position but believe you're the one to do the job and get this changed. You don't need a law or science degree - you DO need to get people behind this. How do you think it came to be that all the commercial tunafish packers got on the band wagon so that fewer dolphins were killed? It was a grass roots mobilization. It's your decision but my point is that you have within your power the means to make YOUR point heard, respected and hopefully, acted on, and that no one else is in a better position to do so. YOU are being affected and have taken the trouble to say so. But when more than 100 people are involved in an issue, it gets beyond a town hall one man - one vote type of thing and becomes necessarily a "representitive democracy" which is NOT a democrasy. Some people who may NOT be knowledgeable are making decisions that affect others like yourself and everyone else who eats organic food or just plain cares about the issue. I'm trying to be constructive in relation to your postings but if you don't buy it, I won't bother mentioning this again. But I do hope SOMEONE who's as involved as you are does what's needed, because the thing IS out of control so just grap the god damn wheel - unless you'd rather just bitch about it. You can probably get people to pitch in and help you spread the word, make phone calls, collect signatures, send out letters, e-mail and help you get grants for all that. So go for it. Sez me! sal wrote: > > At 11:53 AM 10/5/97 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: > >sal wrote: > >> > >> It has been said of me that I sound angry.I am > > > >It is clear to me that you raise valid points that should be presented > >to a concerned public. Since you are the one that sees and feels these > >things things (I myself am out of the U.S. most of the time and am not > >presently farming in the U.S. so you are certainly taking the heat more > >I am, for instance), you are the logical one to provide the leadership > >needed to drive these points home to the people in policy making > >positions. > > that is my whole point !organic growing is now a political football and it > is in the hands for those folks that play the political game the best not > me I only know how to farm organic. . I have enough problems now. I have > all ready made the certifiers,inspectors and USDA mad at me. Good let them > know what every organic growers feels every day . Mistrust ! That is what > they show me and I am a mirror so I mistrust them sameway. and it is not > for any wrong they have done or that I have done/ . I like my certifier > and have for years but they are busy saving their own rear ends. They have > to fight for every inch and they don't seem to mind sacrificing the small > farmers money to get their way. They sold us out trying to save us. The > inspectors are not going to ask that the farmer not pay because they get > their pay from us. you see all these folks that are supposed to be > representing us now have to represent themselfs. And the state and the > government say they know there needs to be regulations but who will pay for > it and our own certifiers and others in the movement say get it from the > farmer who grows organic . I say WRONG So I have to say please don't > speak for me anymore as you seem to have walked all over me and I put my > trust in you all and supported you all for years and you left me holding > the bag. This is not what organic growing is about. They were supposed > to be our mouth peace and they have done a bad job as it is the organic > farmer that has to pay for this whole deal . Most small farmers are not > into politics and now organic growing is a political football. I think the > public comment is > Bull shit and that we organic growers have already been hung up to dry. I > have seen enough public comments to know its a lot of noise signifying > nothing. The USDA is going to do what they want no matter what. They own > all the words. It is their agenda and they have the guns. You need a law > degree and a science degree just to talk to them. They don't have hearts > they don't care about morals or religion or even ethics .they don't mind > oppressing the poor .Just look they made the small farmer thing only $5000 > every one that makes over that small amount is fair game for a tax. And it > is not just one tax you have to pay off a whole lot of folks. If you > cannot afford to pay off all these folks you are out of bussiness. You > cannot reason with people like this. The only thing they know is "Show me > the money." They don't want to see signatures they want to see the > money!!!. The USDA says they want to help the small farmer yet in the same > year they make up a special tax to drop right on them and them alone. Help > like this I don't need. > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". > To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command > "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". -- Douglas M. Hinds, Director General Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. (CeDeCoR) (Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non profit) Petronilo Lopez No. 73 (Street Address) Apdo. Postal No. 61 (Mailing Address) Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO U.S. Voice Mailbox: 1 630 300 0550 (e-mail linked) U.S. Fax Mailbox: 1 630 300 0555 (e-mail linked) Tel. & Fax: 011 523 412 6308 (direct) e-mail: cedecor@ipnet.com.mx, dmhinds@acnet.net, dhinds@.ucol.mx To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Oct 6 11:06:48 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87] (may be forged)) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27698; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17471; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id KAA28141 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id KAA28052 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coyote.rain.org (root@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id KAA08540 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (s11.term1.sb.rain.org [198.68.144.141]) by coyote.rain.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11997; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971006073404.007b2c50@rain.org> X-Sender: sals@rain.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 07:34:04 -0700 To: smallfarm-outgoing@maat.reeusda.gov From: sal Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and handlers Cc: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: <34387090.66E2@acnet.net> References: <3.0.2.32.19971005041221.007b8410@rain.org> <3.0.2.32.19971005122634.007b2100@rain.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 78 First let me say I am a organic grower and not a public speaker. So forgive my crudness. I know about the cost now I want the benefits. The National Organic Standards Board has received many comments from the public on the subject of pesticide drift onto organic farms. In addition, discussion and debate of the drift issue at the May 1993 NOSB meeting clearly indicated that the majority of NOSB members think that pesticide drift incidents should be handled in the same manner as the NOSB Draft Recommendation for government emergency pest eradication programs. The above statement is a joke. If the USDA has the right to tax the organic farmer and make him jump through all these hoops then they should give up their right to government emergency pest accreditation programs on the organic farmer. It's not right that organic farmer works for years to make himself fully organic and late one night the government can come and spray his crop . It is the organic farmer that need protection. How USDA can tax the organic farmer year after year after year and yet they're still allowed to spray them with the insecticide? . Also the USDA must label genetically engineered life form that may make it way into organic farms or processors or handlers so that the poor organic folks will be able to tell the USDA DNA altered life from non Frankenstein natural life forms . Organic food is so important that there is a tax on the organic farmer and policeman checks his land, and makes him jump through hoops for the sake of the consumer then government has no right to ever ever ever ever spray them with any chemicals The National Organic Standards (NOSB) requests that the Secretary recommend to Congress that certified organic producers who incur crop losses and/or market losses caused by pesticide or fertilizer drift or misapplication be eligible for reimbursements from Federal crop disaster programs or Federal crop insurance programs for all damages and expenses incurred. Such eligibility should only apply in situations where the drift incident or misapplication occurs as the result of actions of a person who is not the certified organic producer or a person working under the direction of the certified organic producer. If USDA or the state sprays organic farmer he destroys the balance that the farmers has been building up for years and years he cannot be compensate by paying for the loss of a crop or two. His lively is destroyed and years and years of his work and the work of nature has been destroyed and the balance that he has been working on is gone. How can they have to nerve to tax us and make us jump through hoops and still be allowed to spray us? If you sign up to be registered organic you are giving away your right to protest being sprayed. You are telling the world yeah spray me just pay me for the crops I can not sell organic . Well this is not all the cost of a spray one organic land . You have before hand agreed to be spray by signing up. It is a trap. The public needs protection from the USDA not from the organic farmers. If I sign up I should at least get a guarantee that the Government will not spray me for any reason without my permission. Also Cal trans and other road people must not be permitted to spray the road by me and farmers living around me must not be allowed to spray if it may land on my farm. If the farmer has to give up so much in cash and burdens then the same USDA must see to it that there is no over drift and there is no government sparying! I have been farming organic for over 18 years so who ever sprays me should pay me for the next 18 years just to get back to even after the spray. and should also pay me for the 18 years of my life I loose because one night the same USDA and/or some STATE that taxes me sprays me. If I have to pay protection money then protect me from the state sprayers and the USDA sprayers. Protect the organic farmer so he can sell his product as organic. I think the organic farmer is paying and not getting protection from all this shit. I can go on and on. But you get the idea. Also the organic food processors has to know what enzymes are genetically engineered because we have to know to be able to make organic food stuff. The USDA should also label genetic engineered all life forms that may make it way in too the organic food lineup. In fact the USDA should not release any DNA altered life forms that may for any reason enter the organic food chain. We must protect organic food. That should be added to the test for gene altered life form releases (can the life form contaminate the organic food chain.) The USDA must label genetic engineered life so that the organic farmer can avoided them. It is the USDA and the state that take my protection money so they must protect me. It is the USDA and the state that the people who want organic food need protection from not the organic farmer. They must label so that we can label. People want organic food without USDA approved pesticide, funguside,herbicide,etc. so the USDA must see to it that organic is organic and that means they must watch their own selfs because they are the comtamanators. The organic farmer needs protection in order to give the people organic food. This bill does nothing to protect the organic farmer from the state or the federal government from all those that will contaminate him. -------------------------The USDA must label DNA altered life forms so that the organic farmer and processor can label organic. The USDA must never spray or contaminate an organic farm. The USDA must clean up the organic farmers water supply. The USDA must clean up the air around the organic farmer. The USDA must protect organic food from any contamination if they truly want to give the people organic clean food. Until then get off my back and out of my pocket. The USDA has a lot of work in front of them to give the people organic clean safe food and they should not start by taxing and burdening the poor organic farmer that is doing no wrong. I will say it again . An organic grower should not have to pay 1 cent extra to grow and sell crops as organic if they are. To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". 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Subject: LIVING SNOW FENCE SYMPOSIUM LIVING SNOW FENCE SYMPOSIUM Presented by Lake Superior College and the MINNESOTA INTERAGENCY LIVING SNOW FENCE TASK FORCE October 29 & 30, 1997 Radisson Arrowwood, Alexandria MN "We cannot keep it from snowing; we can influence the wind that carries tons of blowing and drifting snow." SPONSORS State Agencies - Board of Water and Soil Resources, Department of Transportation, Department of Natural Resources, Division of Emergency Management, Department of Agriculture, and the University of Minnesota Center for Integrated Natural Resources and Agricultural Management. Local Entities - The Minnesota Association of Soil and Water Conservation Districts and the Minnesota Association of Conservation District employees. Federal Agencies - Federal Emergency Management Agency, USDA Natural Resource Conservation Service, and USDA Forest Service. OBJECTIVES Learn how snow moves and forms drifts. Learn how to control blowing and drifting snow. Learn the many benefits of living snow fences and community shelterbelts. Learn what tools are available to help you implement a living snow fence and community shelterbelt program. WHY ATTEND You will learn how to reduce snow plowing costs dramatically. You will learn howto save on home heating costs and promote energy conservation within your community. WHO SHOULD ATTEND Community and City leaders, County Commissioners, Administrators Planning and Zoning officials, Highway Engineers, Soil & Water Conservation District staff and board members, Watershed District staff, managers, and members, Department of Natural Resources Forestry, Parks and Wildlife staff, Mn/DOT District & Maintenance Engineers, Right of Way agents, Maintenance Superintendents, SubAreasupervisors and snow plow operators, University of Minnesota Extension agents, Minnesota Department of Agriculture staff, Natural Resource Conservation Service staff, Conservation groups, Township officers, interested citizens, and Federal and State legislators and staff. AGENDA Day 1 - October 29: Moderated by Roger Ledding, Former Chief of the Minnesota State Highway Patrol 10-10:05 a.m. - Announcements 10:05-10:15 - Welcome 10:15-10:45 - Lessons Learned from the Winter of 96-97 10:45-11:15 - Snow Control Challenges and Opportunities Across the Minnesota Landscape 11:15-11:45 - Northern Plains Weather Facts 11:45-Noon - Question and Answer Session Noon-1:15 - Lunch 1:15-2:45 - How Snow Moves and Forms Drifts 2:45-3:15 - Break 3:15-4:45 - Design & Function of Living Snow Fences 4:45-5 - Question and Answer Session 5-6 - Mixer 6-7 - Sit-down Dinner 7-7:30 - A Legislative Perspective on Living Snow Fences 7:30-8:30 - Sharing of Past Winter Experiences (audience participation) Day 2 - October 30: Moderated by Roger Ledding, Former Chief of the Minnesota State Highway Patrol 7:30-8 a.m. - Coffee & Rolls 8-8:30 - Community Shelterbelt Design and Benefits 8:30-9:30 - Planting and Maintaining a Windbreak 9:30-10 - Break 10-10:40 - Programs Available for Implementing a Living Snow Fence Program 10:40-11:55 - Local Area Initiatives 11:55-Noon - The Charge To obtain a registration form or further information, call Fred Lyon at 218/733-5918 or 1/800/432-2884 Lake Superior College 2101 Trinity Road Duluth MN 55811 Phone: (218) 733-7600 or 1-800-432-2884 URL:http://www.lsc.cc.mn.us/library/snofence.htm ----- Forwarded Message Ends Here ----- To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". 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From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Oct 6 13:33:03 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01375; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25545; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id MAA19973 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id MAA19966 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNLVM.UNL.EDU (unlvm.unl.edu [129.93.200.1]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id MAA14086 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PMURRAY.UNL.EDU (129.93.224.80) by UNLVM.UNL.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4) with TCP; Mon, 06 Oct 97 11:57:42 CDT Message-Id: <2.2.16.19971006115559.4aa74714@unlvm.unl.edu> X-Sender: csas001@unlvm.unl.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu, news@psupena.psu.edu From: Pam Murray Subject: September-October 1997 CSAS Newsletter Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by luna.oit.unc.edu id NAA01375 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 80 September-October 1997 CSAS Newsletter The Center for Sustainable Agricultural Systems (CSAS) in the Institute of Agriculture and Natural Resources (IANR) at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln (UNL) is an interdisciplinary center formed in 1991 for the purpose of bringing together people and resources to promote an agriculture that is efficient, competitive, profitable, environmentally and socially sustainable for the indefinite future. The electronic version of this bimonthly newsletter is sent to SANET and PENPages 10-14 days before those on our mailing list receive their hard copy. The newsletters are also available along with other sustainable ag information on our World Wide Web page: http://ianrwww.unl.edu/ianr/csas Note: The electronic version is not sent to individual e-mail addresses. To be added to the "hard copy" newsletter mailing list beginning with the next bimonthly issue (not sent to overseas addresses), or for questions or comments, contact the newsletter editor, Pam Murray, Coordinator, Center for Sustainable Agricultural Systems, PO Box 830949, University of Nebraska, Lincoln, NE 68583-0949, 402-472-2056, fax -4104, e-mail: csas001@unlvm.unl.edu. * * * CONTENTS: LINKING ECOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE TO INCREASE SUSTAINABILITY CALIFORNIA SALAD AND AUSTRALIAN EMU IN NEBRASKA? THE STATE OF RURAL AMERICA: WE CAN CHOOSE OUR FUTURE SEEKING K-16 CURRICULUM VOLUNTEERS IMPACT PROJECT DEADLINES RESOURCES DID YOU KNOW... COMING EVENTS * * * LINKING ECOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE TO INCREASE SUSTAINABILITY Natural ecosystems supply many valuable services and products to humans, for example, clean air, clean water, and biodiversity as well as a place to grow crops and livestock. As natural systems, they do not provide agricultural commodities of the types and amounts needed by humans, so we have changed many of them into agroecosystems to maximize production of food and fiber. What is it about an ecosystem that lets it function year after year using only solar energy without degrading the resource base, while farms and ranches require high fossil energy inputs and suffer from soil erosion and water contamination? This question was explored at three workshops co-sponsored by the North Central Sustainable Agriculture Training Program (NCSATP). Linking People, Purpose, and Place: An Ecological Approach to Agriculture was held in Wooster, Ohio; Manhattan, Kansas; and Morris, Minnesota. The purpose was to demonstrate how an understanding of ecological principles can help us design farms that provide commodities while retaining some of the beneficial processes of natural systems. Because agroecosystems include people, another goal was to explore characteristics of local communities that increase sustainability. The first step toward identifying useful ecological principles is to describe the structure and function of pre-settlement ecosystems within a particular region. Introductions at the workshops gave an overview of the natural ecosystems in Ohio, Kansas, and Minnesota and of the agroecosystems that have taken their place. In Kansas, Bonnie Lynn-Sherow, an environmental historian, emphasized the importance of human's part in nature by explaining the five roles the Konza Prairie Research Natural Area (KPRNA) has played for Native Americans, farmers, ranchers, scientists, and recreationists. KPRNA was established to provide an outdoor laboratory for the study of ecological processes in a tallgrass prairie. We saw firsthand the differences in vegetation caused by cattle or bison grazing and fire sequences. The next day we compared the native ecosystem with a cattle ranch agroecosystem. The Hubbard family runs almost 2,000 head of steers and cow-calf pairs on 6,000 acres. As with KPRNA, they also use rotational grazing and fire as management tools. Agroecology was another central topic. Richard Harwood and Richard Olson described how understanding the ecology of a place can lead to practices that are more profitable, more energy and nutrient efficient, and less environmentally disruptive. To effectively manage the biology of agricultural systems, we must understand: - the relationship among ecosystem structure and key processes, such as nutrient cycling, water use, and soil biology; - which processes can be directly managed and which cannot, such as carbon turnover versus photosynthesis, and how managing the processes affects productivity; - the importance of plant diversity and the amount and duration of plant rooting; - the concepts of habitat, both within the landscape and in the soil. Evaluating soil quality was a popular activity at the workshops. Using a mini version of the USDA-ARS soil test kit, participants measured infiltration rates, soil nitrate-nitrogen, organic matter, and depth to compact soil strata. In Minnesota, they sampled soils in CRP plots and tilled plots of corn or soybeans. Many embraced the hands-on approach as a way to quickly learn how cultivation practices affect soil structure. Indoor sessions, with topics on weed management and ecological principles of grazing, complemented the extensive farm visits. Farmers and ranchers described how they matched their production systems with weather patterns, soil, vegetation, and markets. For example, the Hartzler family owns and operates five dairy farms that produce milk for the family-owned processing plant and retail store. Joe and Jean Hartzler farm 125 acres with intensive grazing on 35 acres. Their new retail dairy was the first one built in Ohio in 30 years. After the field tour, we visited the processing plant where milk is pasteurized, but not homogenized, and bottled in glass containers. Participants sampled 18 of the 30 available flavors of ice cream! One of the guiding principles of NCSATP is that training must be inclusive, both in terms of trainers and learners. This year our audience background expanded to include instructors from private colleges, college students, a scientist with a large argochemical company, and representatives from the National Agroforestry Center. According to the evaluations, participants indicated they would use ecological principles in helping clients design farming systems and consider the social implications. One Extension educator wrote, "I always felt a connection to natural resources, but my path seemed to put me in ag and crops. Now, I see that it is feasible to combine them without losing respect and profitability. It will be a goal to try and bring this information to my county." Submitted by Heidi Carter, Richard Olson, Charles Francis CALIFORNIA SALAD AND AUSTRALIAN EMU IN NEBRASKA? What do multi-variety green salad mix and emu steaks have in common? This unique association was the focus of a recent field day on "Growing and Marketing Specialty Crops" that brought over 50 people to view some of Nebraska's more unique commercial enterprises. Although unlikely to replace thousands of acres of corn and soybeans, these alternative enterprises do represent a creative approach to nurturing and meeting new markets. As people travel and read, they become aware of new foods and diversified adventures in living -- this is an opportunity for agriculture! We had a chance to see these enterprises on an August 9 tour. Kevin and Charuth Loth moved to Lincoln three years ago after an extended experience in diversified California agriculture. One of the unique products they found popular there was a green salad mix, one that included a wide range of leafy vegetables tossed together with what most of us recognize as traditional leaf lettuce. As this product began to arrive in Nebraska, packaged in plastic and at least one week old when it reached the consumer, the Loths decided there was a market for fresh salad mix from a local source. "This has been our signature product," Kevin said at the recent field day. He added, "The price may seem high, and some weeks the available components make the mix a little spicy, but you can add this to another source of lettuce or eat it straight for a special culinary experience." In their well-planned and carefully kept four acres, an irrigation system and planned rotation is slowly taking shape. "It's really a lot of work, with long days and too many things to do on some days. But seeing everyone here today, hearing their compliments, makes it seem more worthwhile," added Charuth. They also grow cucurbits, flowers, and heritage vegetables for farmers' markets in Lincoln and Omaha as well as for area restaurants. A more exotic enterprise and hobby is one enjoyed by Phil and Janiece Goin of Hickman: Australian emus. Well adapted to both summer and winter extremes in weather, these foreign birds seem adjusted as they pace and run around several pens and field shelters on the Goin farm. Ready for slaughter after one year, and for breeding after four years, these exotic critters provide meat, oil, skins, eggshells, breeding stock, and continuous entertainment for the Goins and their frequent visitors. You need to try emu steaks, summer sausage, or "dogs" to appreciate the unique flavor of the meat. One special product is the oil, about 5 liters from a mature adult, that brings $200-300/gallon on today's market and is used for a wide range of medicinal remedies. Any problems with diseases or predators? "The veterinarian told us they were perfectly healthy here, and I'd like to see a coyote get into the pen. I think they would defend themselves very well, based on the kicks they give me once in awhile," Phil said. The Goins currently have over 100 emus, and sell meat, oil, and eggshells at the farmers' market. Should you raise salad greens or emus? Probably not. But should you consider creative alternatives to current commodity crops? These Nebraskans are showing us how innovative ideas and thoughtful promotion can broaden our agricultural product base and do well in an increasingly sophisticated marketplace. The key is to find a unique niche, to provide a consistent and quality product, and to enjoy working with the public. These adventuresome people are showing that it can be done. The tour was co-sponsored by the Nebraska Sustainable Agriculture Society, Lincoln Farmers Market, Lancaster County Cooperative Extension, and CSAS. Submitted by Charles Francis and Larry Cutforth THE STATE OF RURAL AMERICA: WE CAN CHOOSE OUR FUTURE Chuck Hassebrook, Center for Rural Affairs* The family farm and rural decline that we see around us are not inevitable. They are the result of decisions made by people, that can be reversed by people — with the right combination of community initiative, passion, citizen involvement, and perseverance. We are facing formidable challenges in realizing the long-held values of rural America — the belief that community matters; that hard work deserves a fair reward; that wealth and power should be widely distributed; that ownership and control should belong to those who work the land and operate businesses; and that we are all responsible to our neighbors and future generations to be careful stewards of the environment. We're told by experts that family farms can't compete and rural communities can't survive. They say we can't have economic opportunity without sacrificing environmental quality and accepting growing inequality and concentration of wealth and power. In essence, they say we have no choice about our future. That is simply not true. It will only become true if we resign ourselves to it! Unquestionably, we are in the midst of great economic concentration that is exacting a toll. But it need not be permanent. We can reverse the family farm decline and economic concentration, but we must see our work not as saving family farms and rural communities as we have known them, but as rebuilding them for the future. We must start now to shape the next wave of change in rural America, and usher in a new generation of family farms and small businesses to ensure that one generation into the future, people will be asking not whether family farms can survive, but whether the plodding corporate Goliaths can compete with lean, well managed, socially responsible small enterprise. We can build on the strengths of entrepreneurship, citizenship, and civic commitment. Key strategies include: - Foster small scale entrepreneurship, on and off the farm, with capital, education, and community support. Over half the nation's net new jobs come from small enterprises with five or fewer employees. We must nurture their establishment by providing capital, business training, and education. - Alter the direction of change in agriculture technology through new research initiatives. Too much agricultural research has focused on finding ways for farmers to spend more money to produce on a large scale. If there is to be a future for family farms, we must instead develop systems that enable farmers to use more of their management and skills to reduce the need for capital expenditures and to produce products of higher value. Only then will farmers receive a larger share of the consumer dollar for what they do to produce food. USDA, the land grant colleges, and other public institutions control almost half of all agriculture research. We must hold them accountable to serve the public good and partner with family farmers and rural communities in research and education. - Establish new markets that reward stewardship and support family farms. Commodity markets are biased against family size farms, but family farmers who practice sustainable agriculture have some potential offsetting advantages. Over half of American consumers are willing to pay some premium for food produced in a socially and environmentally responsible manner. We must build new marketing institutions that reward environmental stewardship and support family-size farms. -Reform public policy to support small enterprise and reward stewardship. Much in public policy is biased toward bigness. We need to reverse that bias at the state and federal level, in both farm and rural development policy. Conservation provisions of the 1996 farm bill demonstrate that committed citizens with an idealistic vision can change public policy to support environmental stewardship. We must reform policy to support opportunity, fairness, and small enterprise. The question we face today is whether we will pass to future generations an economic system that provides ordinary people that same opportunity to own and control the land and businesses they work, improve their lives, build communities, and define their own destinies. Or will we pass to the next generation a system more akin to the feudel system our ancestors left behind, wherein a few own and control everything and all others work for them? There is not much question that most rural people would choose the former. Our challenge is to come together to exercise that choice. *Source: Article in Center for Rural Affairs Newsletter, Sept. 1997, containing remarks by Chuck Hassebrook at the CRA annual meeting in Augut. Condensed by Charles Francis SEEKING K-16 CURRICULUM VOLUNTEERS The Center for Rural Affairs is developing a National Sustainable Agriculture Curriculum Guide for grades K-16, and is seeking volunteers from across the country to serve on the task force of teachers helping to develop the guide and/or provide materials. Contact Martin Kleinschmit, 402-254-6893. IMPACT PROJECT DEADLINES The Nebraska Ag IMPACT Project is accepting applications for new groups and projects for 1998. Technical and financial assistance are available to groups of farmers, ranchers, or community members with projects that address farm productivity and profitability, resource conservation, environmental and health protection, and support of rural communities. Application deadlines are November 7, 1997 and February 27, 1998. Contact IMPACT offices at Hartington (402-254-2289) or Sidney (308-254-3918) for application materials or information. RESOURCES Steel in the Field: A Farmer's Guide to Weed Control Tools. $18. New book describes in detail 37 tools and 17 accessories, and includes supplier contacts, tool price ranges, resource lists, clear illustrations and farmer narratives about integrating the tools into sustainable cropping systems. Addresses the four main concerns that farmers have about mechanical weed control: cost, effectiveness, dependability and soil impact. Book project was funded by the Sustainable Agriculture Network. Sustainable Agriculture Publications, Hills Building, U. of Vermont, Burlington, VT 05405-0082, 802-656-0471, msimpson@zoo.uvm.edu. Source Book of Sustainable Agriculture. $12 (call 802-656-0471 or e-mail msimpson@zoo.uvm.edu for bulk discounts). Lists 559 resource materials covering the vast breadth of agriculture, from how to market sustainably grown vegetables to locating the latest sustainable research findings on the World Wide Web. Covers print, electronic and video resources and contact information to order them. Sustainable Agriculture Publications (see above). Part-time Farming, Small Farms, and Small-scale Farming in the United States; Direct Marketing and Related Topics; and Compost: Application and Use. Publications in the Quick Bibliography Series. USDA, National Agricultural Library, Alternative Farming Systems Information Center, Beltsville, MD 20705-2351, 301-504-6559, afsic@nal.usda.gov, http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic. Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) Program 1997 Project Highlights. Free. Report describes SARE-funded projects that show management-intensive grazing is more profitable for producers and better for the environment. Several SARE grants are funding research in shifting from confinement-based livestock systems to raising cows, sheep and hogs on pastures. Also highlighted in the report are articles on Community Supported Agriculture, the benefits of pasturing hogs, and several other research and on-farms projects. Valerie Berton, SARE Communications Specialist, 0322 Symons Hall, U. of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742, 301-405-5270, vberton@wam.umd.edu Free-Range Poultry Production, Processing and Marketing. $39.50 + $4.50 s&h. Guidebook describes innovative way to raise pountry on range and market meat and eggs. Method differs from model used by Salatin in that chickens are not confined in pens, but range about 100 feet from their portable houses. Developed by producer with six years of free-range poultry experience, with the help of a SARE grant. Back Forty Books, 26328 Locust Grove Rd, Creola, OH 45622. Biodiversity and Human Health, 1997. $29.95 + shipping. Presents compilation of papers which analyze human health consequences of biodiversity loss from variety of perspectives, including agroecology, public health, biology, epidemiology, demography and pharmacology. Explores causes of biodiversity loss, effects of its loss on agroecosystems, and significance of biodiversity-derived medicines and biodiversity-dependent health systems. Discusses threats from pesticides and role of agricultural diversity in sustainable agriculture. Island Press, 24850 East Lane, PO Box 7, Covelo, CA 95428, 707-983- 6432, e-mail: ipwest@igc.org. The National Agroforestry Center has several informational/educational materials, including newsletters, technical note series, brochures, booklets, and videos. Most are free or available for loan. You can request an order form listing what is available from: Clover Shelton, NAC/USDA Forest Service/NRCS, East Campus - UNL, Lincoln, NE 68583-0822, 402-437-5712. The NAC also has a new Web page: http://www.unl.edu/nac. Environmental Health Threats to Children, 1996. Free. U.S. EPA report summarizes threats to children's health from environmental toxins, including pesticides, lead and drinking water contaminants. Describes EPA's agenda for protecting children and recommends actions, including areas of research, national policy and education. National Center for Environmental Publications and Information, PO Box 42419, Cincinnati, OH 45242, 800-490-9198, or 513-489-8190. Making World Agriculture More Sustainable. $30 + s&h. Edited by J. Patrick Madden and Scott G. Chaplowe. World Sustainable Agriculture Association embarked upon a project to highlight notable organizations promoting sustainable agriculture throughout the world. The 650-page book contains more than 60 organization profiles, ranging from international NGOs to grassroots organizations, and describes their efforts to make agriculture more sustainable. Concludes with a directory of 141 organizations whose work supports the cause of sustainable agriculture, a Glossary of key terms, and a detailed Subject Index.WSAA Publications, 8554 Melrose Avenue, West Hollywood, CA 90069, 310-657-7202, email: WSAA@compuserve.com. What's In A Name: Eco-Labeling In The Global Food System. Paper presented by Elizabeth Barham, Department of Rural Sociology, Cornell University, at the Joint Meetings of Agriculture, Food, and Human Values Society and the Association for the Study of Food and Society, June 1997. Examines the emerging clashes between corporations and eco-labeling proponents as reflective of a larger struggle to moderate the effects of global market liberalization on consumers, producers and environment. Copies available free via e-mail by contacting meb6@cornell.edu. Hard copies available for $7.50 each by writing Elizabeth Barham, 133 Warren Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853. Midwest Biological Control News. $12/yr hard copy, free online. Monthly newsletter dedicated to providing information on the use of beneficial organisms for controlling insect and mite pests of the farm, garden, and home. Articles of valid biological control information are welcome, but final selection and editing are the responsibility of the editorial staff. Web page has many links to other biological control sites. Dept. of Entomology, U. of Wisconsin, Madison, WI 53706, 608-262-9914 or 262-9959, smahr@entomology.wisc.edu, http://www.wisc.edu/entomology/mbcn/mbcn.html. IPMnet NEWS is a free electronic Integrated Pest Management information source focused on economic, environmentally-attuned approaches to managing weeds, plant diseases, insects, nematodes, and vertebrate pests. Now in its fourth year, this service is designed to provide balanced, worldwide "news-you-can-use" to those concerned with IPM development, research, implementation, adoption, policy, and impact. It is sponsored by the not-for-profit Consortium for International Crop Protection comprised of 10 U.S. land grant universities, the University of Puerto Rico, and the USDA. The monthly newsletter can be subscribed to for automatic e-mailing, or you can access it and other information at the Web page: http://ipmwww.ncsu.edu/cicp/IPMnet_NEWS/news.html Nebraska Vine Lines. Free. Edited by Paul Read, professor of horticulture at UNL. Contains news of people and developments in the grape/wine industry in Nebraska. Plans are to publish monthly. Dept. of Horticulture, U. of Nebraska, Lincoln, NE 68583-0724, 402-472-2854. Emerging Markets for Family Farms: Opportunities to Prosper Through Social and Environmental Responsibility. $7. Report describes strategies for farmers to market high-value products. Center for Rural Affairs, PO Box 406, Walthill, NE 68067-0406, 402-846-5428. Tough to Swallow: How Pesticide Companies Profit by Poisoning America's Tap Water. $20. Presents findings of study on herbicides in tap water in midwestern states. Environmental Working Group, 1718 Connecticut Ave., NW, Suite 600, Washington, DC 20009, 202-667-6982, info@ewg.org, http://www.ewg.org. Watershed Currents. Free via e-mail. Contains news, events and resources about watershed organizing. Send e-mail to majordomo@igc.apc.org. Leave subject blank. In body of message type subscribe water-net. Send questions to mmuller@iatp.org. Small Farm Digest. Free. Merger of former Small Scale Agriculture Today and Small and Part Time Farms. Quarterly newsletter for small farm managers with updates on farm related trends and developments, reviews of recent publications, and announcements of upcoming events. (If you were on the mailing list for the Small Scale Agriculture Today or Small and Part Time Farms, you will automatically get a copy of this.) Small Farm Digest, USDA-CSREES, Stop 2220, Washington, DC 20250, llewis@reeusda.gov. SMALLFARM-MG listserve. Identifies small farm contacts, farmers, and others in the public and private sectors who are interested in strengthening the capacity of small- and mid-size farmers to improve their income levels through a systems approach to addressing the needs of the small farm community. To subscribe, send msg to: majordomo@reeusda.gov. Leave subject blank. In body type: subscribe smallfarm-mg. Conference Proceedings: Agricultural Production and Nutrition. $18 prepaid. Collection of 21 papers from international conference held in Boston in March 1997, edited by William Lockeretz. Explores all facets of how nutritional value of food is affected by the way it was produced. Covers biological and chemical aspects of nutrition and food quality, as well as consumers' perceptions, marketing channels, and economic considerations. Several papers discuss implications for national and international food and nutrition strategies. Agriculture & Nutrition Conference, School of Nutrition Science and Policy, Tufts University, Medford, MA 02155, WLockeretz@infonet.tufts.edu. 1997 National Organic Directory. $44.95 + $6 s&h. Annually updated "yellow pages" of the organic industry. Includes 1,000+ listings of farmers, wholesalers, farm suppliers, support businesses, certification groups and resource groups. Organic commodities bought and sold are extensively indexed, and explanations of state and federal organic laws are provided. Community Alliance with Family Farmers, PO Box 363, Davis, CA 95617, 1-800-852-3832, nod@caff.org, http://www.caff.org. Appropriate Technology Transfer for Rural Areas program (ATTRA) invites you to join in celebrating its 10th Anniversary by visiting its new Web site at http://www.attra.org. Labels: Linking Consumers and Producers. Free. Monthly electronic newsletter from the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP). Provides news, events and resources related to the labeling of products for environmental, social and regional sustainability. To subscribe, send e-mail to: majordomo@igc.apc.org. Leave subject blank. In body type: subscribe label-news. For help contact Kathryn Clements, kclements@iatp.org. Also available, along with IATP news bulletins, at http://www.sustain.org/bulletins. DID YOU KNOW... - The New York Times bought a share of Threshold Farm Community Supported Agriculture and writes periodically about the CSA project. - The July 21, 1997 edition of the Los Angeles Times carried an article about sustainable agriculture entering the mainstream, stating that the movement now includes approximately 5% of U.S. farmers who use sustainable practices. - In June 1997, Swissair announced that it was introducing organically grown products in all classes on flights departing from Switzerland. By the year 2000, Swissair's goal is to ensure that 90% of the products used to prepare meals are organically grown. - Presenting congratulations on the 25th anniversary of the International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movemements (IFOAM), director of Greenpeace International Dr. Thilo Bode called organic farming one of the world's most sophisticated and serious visions of sustainability. COMING EVENTS Contact CSAS office for more information. 1997 Nov. 2-6 — 3rd North American Workshop of Farming Systems Research & Extension Association - Food & Natural Resource Systems: Integrating Diversity, Inquiry, & Action, Mt. Hood, OR Nov. 7 — 5th Annual Small Farm Trade Show & Conference, Columbia, MO Dec. 1-4 — 3rd IFOAM-Asia Scientific Conference - Food Security in Harmony with Nature, Bangalore, India 1998 Jan. 9-10 — Great Plains Vegetable Conference, St. Joseph, MO Jan. 22-25 — Southern SAWG Annual Conference & Trade Show, Memphis, TN Jan. 30 — 17th Annual Organic Conference and Eco-Products Trade Show, Ontario, Canada http://www.gks.com/OrgConf/ Feb. 10-12 — Managing Manure in Harmony with the Environment and the Society," Ames, IA Feb. 26-28 — No. American Farmers' Direct Marketing Assoc. Conference, Victoria, BC http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/agric/nafdmc/dfmchome.htm Mar. 5-6 — National SARE Conference - Building on a Decade of Sustainable Agriculture Research & Education: Sharing Experiences to Improve Our Agriculture, Austin, TX http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/san/ Mar. 29-Apr. 1 — 1998 North American Conference on Pesticide Spray Drift Management, Portland, ME http://www.state.me.us/agriculture/pesticides/drift/ To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Oct 6 14:02:14 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (www.exploris.org [152.2.254.85]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02029; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04010; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id NAA12018 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id NAA11963 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (wvnvm.wvnet.edu [129.71.2.4]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with SMTP id NAA16307 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 4104; Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:36:18 EDT Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (NJE origin JLISTS@WVNVM) by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with BSMTP id 8160; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:36:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:36:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Lozier" To: "sal" , , , Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and han Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 81 In a nutshell, I like sal's suggestion to add a zero to the gross income allowed to small organic farmers. Cutting through the verbiage, is this something people could agree to? In-Reply-To: Message of 10/05/97 at 07:03:46 from sals@rain.org >The USDA/NOP cost may hurt the small organic farmer and handlers and they >should rethink the $5000 and raise add a 0 to the end . They should say >$50000 in farm sells to be fair to the small farmer and handlers To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Oct 6 15:21:20 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu (fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu [152.2.254.81]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04749; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (shasta.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.61]) by helios.oit.unc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26179; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majord@localhost) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) id OAA25276 for sanet-mg-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amani.ces.ncsu.edu (amani.ces.ncsu.edu [152.1.45.51]) by shasta.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-931108.0) with ESMTP id OAA25003 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dancer.1stnet.com (root@mail1.1stnet.com [206.104.32.40]) by amani.ces.ncsu.edu (8.8.5/RK-970619.0) with ESMTP id OAA20207 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (ppp13.1stnet.com [206.104.46.13]) by dancer.1stnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15521; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:34:19 -0500 Message-ID: <34392C71.109C@1stnet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:22:41 -0500 From: "Susan K. Snow" Reply-To: sksnow@1stnet.com Organization: Pollution Solution X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Lozier CC: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: comments on UDSA/NOP cost and benefits to organic farmers and han References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 82 As a consumer, I agree. At least adding a zero to the gross income allowed to small organic farmers would get them out of the poverty index. I do hope that poor, small organic farmers do not use composted sewage sludge to rejuvenate their soil, even if 'professional' composters give it away --'cheap.' Susan Snow ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Lozier wrote: > > In a nutshell, I like sal's suggestion to add a zero to the gross income > allowed to small organic farmers. Cutting through the verbiage, is this > something people could agree to? > In-Reply-To: Message of 10/05/97 at 07:03:46 from sals@rain.org > > >The USDA/NOP cost may hurt the small organic farmer and handlers and they > >should rethink the $5000 and raise add a 0 to the end . They should say > >$50000 in farm sells to be fair to the small farmer and handlers > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". > To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command > "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with "unsubscribe sanet-mg". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". From owner-sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu Mon Oct 6 15:28:24 1997 Received: from helios.oit.unc.edu ([152.2.254.87]