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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:01:06 +1000 (EST)
From: Jennifer Colquhoun <jcolqu10@scu.edu.au>
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Subject: interested in community supported permaculture/city farms

 [Note: this letter arrived today from a student in Australia.  If anyone
 has a reply for her then please Cc: us & her address above.  Jennifer -
 we'd be happy to have you join our Tree-House email forum.  While we are 
 predominantly for tree-planting within human settlements (urban forestry),
 Permaculture issues are among our recurrent threads.  Simply email me your
 intentions & I'll sign you right up.  List operator: Richard@Flora.Com] ...

Hello there! 

I've been searching the Internet lately for any information on community
supported agriculture, (CSA) or any city farm projects that involve the
community in the organisation, the farming and the return. I am specifically
interested in organic, biodynamic and permaculture based farms designed for
a sustainable future in production. To fill you in a bit more on exactly
where I'm coming from, you might have already guessed  I am a student. I
attend Southern Cross University which is located in Lismore, Northern
N.S.W, Australia, six months from completing a Bachelor of Applied Science,
Conservation Technology. The only thing now that stands in my way is an
integrated research project. I have designed the project to cover issues
such as permaculture and its integration within the community and
alternative agricultural practices for a sustainable future. 

I have been in contact with the city farm in Lismore whos vision is to
operate a commercially viable and environmentally sustainable farm-based
enterprise drawing on community  and permaculture resources.

Anyway where you fit into all of this and the reason for which I write is to
request any information you could offer to a poor struggling student on any
of these topics. 

Your help would be much appreciated

Permaculturally yours,

Jennifer Colquhoun  

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:19:53 -0700
From: Loren Davidson <loren@wombat.net>
To: permaculture-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Rainfall/cistern calculation - results

First, thanks to the various kind souls who sent me responses on this.  I
hope over time I'll be able to "give back" with contributions of my own.

I was asked by one list member to post any response I got.  I've received
two versions of this, one in English and one in metric terms, and I think
I'll quote both here.  (I haven't tested the metric one.)

>From Jeff Jacobsen in Washington state (US)(English measure):

>Here is what I do for my calculations:
> Roof size has to be the calculated equal to the ground area the roof
>covers.  Hence, do your measurements parallel to the ground; if you
>measure at an angle your result will be too high.  Determine area, i.e. 
>length x width.  Add all roofs or roof segments together to get your
>catchment area.  If you work in inches you won't have to worry about
>conversion. Include your gutters too, since they catch water too.
>
>Divide by 231, the number of cubic inches in a gallon.
>
>This gives you the number of gallons for one inch of rainfall.
>
>Mulitply by annual rainfall to get annual catchment.  

And from Murray Hopkins in Australia (Metric):

>  If you want to do the conversions, the metric formula is:
>
> 1 litre of water per 1 mm of rainfall per square metre of roof.
>
>(4.5 litres per gallon, 305 mm per foot, approx 39 inches per metre.)
>
>You then need to subtract a percentage for losses. This depends upon how 
>hot the roof is; how much water ends up in the gutters etc etc. 
>We work on about 10% here but thats very variable.

I also got some suggestions as to storage media, from stock tanks to 40 gal.
plastic barrels to ferrocement to pre-formed large plastic tanks (we've got
one already -- they're not cheap!).  We're leaning toward ferrocement at
this point, but with at least a year before we have the resources (time and
labor) to essay this, anything is still possible.

Again, thanks to those who wrote!

Loren
Loren Davidson
loren@wombat.net
http://www.batnet.com/beauty/
The First Amendment went too far.  It should have said, "Congress shall 
make no law".

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From: Kathie Priebe <intellid@rainbow.rmii.com>
To: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@sunsite.unc.edu>
Cc: permaculture-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: ARIZONA BD INTERNSHIP AVAILABLE (fwd)


I notice that you mention in two different places that applicants must
include a photo with their application.  What is the reason for this
requirement?



On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 07:02:11 -0400
> From: Intergalactic Garage <igg@intrepid.net>
> To: igg@intrepid.net
> Subject: ARIZONA BD INTERNSHIP AVAILABLE
> 
> AolMail
> ARIZONA GARDEN/LANDSCAPE internships, 2-9 months, at TREE OF LIFE
> REJUVENATION CENTER.  Bio-Dynamic food production, landscaping,
> permaculture on high grasslands mesa of 166 acres in the southern
> mountains.  Spiritual lifestyle, team and service orientation.  Tent
> lodging and vegetarian meals provided.    
> Send resume, letter of interest, and photo to: 
> 
> Woody Wodraska 
> P.O. Box 32, 
> Patagonia, AZ 85624  
> (520) 394-2319
> 
> Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center
> P O Box 1080
> Patagonia, AZ  85624
> (520)-394-2319
> e-mail WWodraska@aol.com
> 
> 
> Bio-Dynamic Gardening in a Permaculture Context:
> Information on Internships
> 
> We're happy you inquired about garden training at Tree of Life
> Reju-venation Center.   The information we're sending will help you decide.
> If you remain interested after reading this, we will need the following
> from you to help us decide:
> 
> 	* A resume, if you have one;
> 	* A friendly letter, telling us how you heard about Tree of Life...
> about your life so far... with particular emphasis on how you came to see
> gardening as a top priority...any physical limitations you may have  (how's
> your back? your stamina? your general health?)... your present diet... what
> you hope to accomplish as a gardener... what your spiritual intentions may
> be... how it happens that you have a "slot" open in your life to undertake
> a serious period of  training;
> 
> 
> 	* A photo;
> 	* The times during which you can be available as an intern.
> 
> 			*   *   *
> 
> The Setting
> 
> 	Tree of Life Rejuvenation center is located at 4,200 feet
> elevation, just outside Patagonia, population 900, in southeastern Arizona.
> The vistas are grand from this table top mesa and plant and animal life are
> abundant--some 160 species of birds annually.  Your accommodations, along
> with other interns and visitor/voilunteers,  are  in 9' x 11'  tents on
> sturdy wooden decks situated in a sheltered, shaded canyon.
> 
> 	A great deal of work has been accomplished on the 166-acre property
> in the past three years.  A 1930s-era water diversion project has been
> returned to working order, to store cloudburst water in our pond; many
> swales, ditches,  berms , and catchments--all designed to direct, slow
> down, store, and utilize rainwater runoff--have been designed and
> constructed; a 100' diameter circular garden is in full production; a
> load-bearing strawbale building with kitchen/dining and treatment room has
> been built, along with a meditation temple; a small complex designed to
> house up to 16 people is nearly complete; roads, well, constructed wetland
> for wastewater, a shade structure for plant propagation, compost toilet,
> and more than 300 irrigated trees--for windbreaks, fruit, and wildlife
> habitat--have all been installed and are functioning.  Much of the
> Permaculture infrastructure is in place for a healing/teaching center with
> up to 40 guests at a time and almost as many staff.
> 
> 	This is high, semi-desert grassland and has been rangeland for 100
> years more or less.  Mesquite, an invader from Texas, is very well adapted
> and is the predominant plant species  on the property; we consider mesquite
> a resource rather than an invasive pest.  The Tree of Life mesa is
> relatively flat, somewhat sloping, and cut in places by deep, wide
> arroyos--mysterious, fertile ecosystems all their own, where oaks and
> manzanita predominate.
> 
> 	Yes, there are snakes here, some poisonous ones, and scorpions,
> tarantulas, and bugs.  There are many javilina and coyotes.  You want to
> walk and work wide awake.
> 
> The Life
> 
> 	We  are a service-oriented bunch here--in service to people and the
> planet.  In the agricultural realm, Bio-Dynamics has Earth healing as its
> fundamental intent.  Practitioners  can add to this core aim certain
> production goals: here during the next year we will be  gearing up to
> supply a large part of the diet for 20-30 people, year-round. It is our
> people-service to present to the chefs a wide variety of fresh, healthful,
> vital produce--produce vibrating with built-in Bio-Dynamic nutrition.  We
> do this while acting as stewards for the garden soil,  water, the compost,
> and the surrounding landscape.
> 
> 	Meditation... a relatively simple, conscious-consumption kind of
> lifestyle...
> vegetarianism... service... harmlessness as much as possible to all living
> things ... personal integrity... these are values we would like to share
> with you.  If you come to be here with us, we'll expect you to share
> yourself with us and the rest of the Universe  at most of our sunrise and
> sunset meditations.  We'd also like to have your heartfelt presence and
> participation in staff meetings.
> 
> The Work
>     We ask 35 hours work each week from interns; often, 7-hour-days  are
> split, with a long siesta time in the middle.  Three and a half of those
> hours will be classroom time--though that weekly teaching/learning session
> will most likely happen under a Grandfather mesquite or oak.  The other
> nine-tenths of your work week will be hands-on gardening.  We hope it will
> not come as a complete surprise to you that about two-thirds of gardening
> is materials handling--soil, compost, irrigation hose, strawbales, potting
> mix...these are all HEAVY, and one spends a lot of energy moving
> barrowloads from place to place.  The other one-third of gardening work is
> BORING: endless tiny transplants to go in the ground; endless weeds;
> endless strawberries to pick (!);  endless pruning... endless... endless.
> 
> 	The good news is that there is genuine joy associated with all
> this, joy and fascination, amusement and bemusement.  The spiritual path
> that is gardening is a rollicking one.  Life is exhuberant, not solemn.
> The garden is ever-changing, with unexpectednesses cropping up anywhere at
> all.  Co-creation with the Nature Spirits is an adventuresome,
> unpredictable affair and we will participate with grace.
> 
> Tree of Life Garden Instructor--
> Woody Wodraska
> 
> 	Woody started drawing circles on the U. S. map the other day, and
> ended up with 15 circles in 13 states, places where he's done major
> gardening projects--from New Hampshire to Florida to Oregon to Arizona.
> 
> 	His basic training in gardening was in the early 1980s at Kimberton
> Hills Camphill Village, Kimberton, PA, four years of increasing
> responsibility in food production for a village of 120 people.  Camphill
> Kimberton is one of the few U.S. sites where comprehensive training in
> Bio-Dynamic agriculture is available.  Woody went on from Camphill to
> establish a smallholding in Illinois and to organize the first Community
> Supported Agriculture project in the Midwest, in 1988; he then became
> volunteer gardener and member at the Temple-Wilton Community Farm in New
> Hampshire; and, before coming to Tree of Life, spent  three seasons running
> a guest ranch garden and greenhouse at 6,800 feet elevation in Montana.
> 
> 	Woody has started half a dozen gardens from scratch, improved half
> a dozen others, built greenhouses and coldframes and chicken tractors, and
> constructed many compost piles.  He's worked in dairy barns, commercial
> nursery operations, backyard gardens, commercial gardens, community
> gardens.  He says:
> 
> 	"Gardening is my life, the one thing--the only thing--I've
> consistenly been passionate about all these many years..."
> 
> What Is Bio-Dynamics?
> 
> 	A copy of Sherry Wildfeuer's article with this title, appearing in
> the 1996 issue of STELLA*NATURA, The Kimberton Hills Agricultural Calendar,
> is attached. Note that the first of the basic principles she mentions is
> Broaden Your Perspective.  Bio-Dynamic practice is intense; it requires
> openness of mind and perspective and heart.  And note the statement,
> "Biodynamics focuses on the quality of the food.  It recognizes a direct
> connection between the quality of food and not only human health, but also
> human consciousness."
> (note: This article is avail at www.his.com/~claymont/bda.html
> 
> More About Our Internships
> 
> 	Duration:  Minimum 2 months  (though we often have visitor/volunteers
> 
> 	Meals:  Ours is a vegan kitchen, no animal products at all, with an
> ]emphasis on 80% raw and living foods.  Breakfast and lunch  are prepared 5
> days; other times the kitchen is available to staff  ]and plenty of fresh
> organic foods are on hand.
> 
> ===========================================================================
> 
> Check out the Biodynamic Association WEB PAGE:
>       www.his.com/~claymont/bda.html
> 
> To Subscribe to the BioDynamic mailing list:
>       Send Mail to igg@his.com with "Subscribe BD-L" in the Subject
>       and your FULL NAME and PHYSICAL MAILING address in the body.
> 
> To UnSubscribe from the BioDynamic mailing list:
>       Send Mail to igg@his.com with "Subscribe BD-L" in the Subject
> 
> The 1996 Mid-Atlantic Biodynamic Conference is Scheduled for Oct 4-5
>       at Claymont Courts, Charlestown, WV.
> 
>       Tentatively Scheduled speakers are Bruce Blevins (BD Market
> Gardening),
>       James A. Duke (Herbs), Dr Peter Hinderberger (anthroposophic medicine),
>       Jim Marquardt (BD Orchard work); Woody Wodruska (Subtle Forces in the
>       Greenhouse: Flow forms, Agnehothra, etc) Speakers and Workship leaders
>       are still being sought.
> 
>        Located 30 minutes from Dulles, 15 minutes from Amtrak, an hour
>        from Baltimore-Washington in the Beautiful Shenandoah Valley
> 
>        BD Meals will be served.
> 
>        Lodging and camping are available. More information: 304 876-2373
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:55:40 -0400
From: Carl Steen <bk720@freenet.carleton.ca>
To: permaculture-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: ARIZONA BD INTERNSHIP AVAILABLE (fwd)

I agree with Kathie Priebe in raising the question of why
Wodraska is asking for a photo for his interns.
The rest of the description sounds very interesting and
creative.
But the photo request hints at a bias which should at
the very least be explained.
Carl Steen

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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:27:28 +0200
From: Petrus J. Saaiman <SaaimanP@sabc.co.za>
To: permaculture-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Purpose of this list?

Hi,

Has anyone got a description of the aims and objects of this list? 

Keep it perma-nent!

Petrus

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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 15:30:43 PDT
From: Jennifer Peltier <peltier@isi.edu>
To: Michael Yount <yount@csf.colorado.edu>
Cc: peltier@isi.edu, permaculture-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Oops! Abundant Life Seed Foundation 


> Sorry everybody...meant to remove that Cc: line.
> 
> Abundant Life's pages are at 
> 	http://csf.colorado.edu/perma/abundant/
> 
> If any of you could point me in the direction of seed saving
> resources, electronic or otherwise, I'd be obliged.
> As fewer varieties of plants are grown out each year, parts
> of our "permanent culture" or indigenous knowledge are disappearing.
> This strikes me as something all of us have in common, since
> the seeds represent, inter alia, the tools of our designs.
> Does this strike a chord with any of you?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael
> yount@csf.colorado.edu

Hi Michael,

Here are some resources I know of:

Seeds of Change.  
http://www.seedsofchange.com/

I frequently buy these seeds.  I get healthy plants that usually stay
disease free compared to any hybrids in the garden.  These are
open-pollinated, organic seeds.  I am not sure if they do seed saving,
but the catalogue is packed full of ideas and they have volunteer
opps. on their organic farm where they raise seeds.


Santa Barbara Heirloom Seedling Nursery 

http://www.heirloom.com/heirloom/

I hear from friends that this is a great resource.  


Seed Savers Exchange 

Kent Whealy, Director
Rural Route 3, Box 239
Decorah, Iowa 52101

from the web side:

http://www.gaia.org/ic/fic/cdir/res/SeedSavers.html

The Seed Savers Exchange is a network of mostly small-scale growers
and gardeners dedicated to preserving our heritage of
open-pollinated heirloom vegetables, fruits, and nuts. The network's
underlying purpose is to protect the genetic diversity of our food
crops. The SSE's yearbook, published each January, lists varieties
that have been saved...then members exchange and grow each other's
seeds. Three other valuable references works produced by SSE are
Garden Seed Inventory (a complete list of all commercially available
non-hybrid vegetable seeds); Fruit, Berry, and Nut Inventory; and Seed
to Seed (detailing seed-saving techniques for the vegetable
gardener). Write to receive a four-page color brochure detailing SSE's
projects and publications, enclosing $1 with your request. 7/1/92

I hope this helps,

Take care, Jennifer

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<em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:dragon@mail.islandnet.com">dragon@mail.islandnet.com</A> (lischeron) 
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Hello Everyone,

Before you all run away for your vacations, I'd like to let you know about
a few courses happening here on the coast in September -  especially if
you've an interest in or  curiosity about Permaculture........ have a
wonderful summer!

Beth Lischeron

Malaspina University College Cowichan Campus offers Courses in Sustainable
Agriculture and Organic Gardening

Based on his extensive experience as an organic farmer and permaculture
designer, Island Permaculture Foundation  director Stuart Stillie will
share his knowledge of sustainable agriculture systems and their
implimentation in two courses being offered by  Malaspina University
College this autumn. In addition, a Permaculture Introductory Weekend will
take place on Salt Spring Island in mid-September.

* Agricultural Sustainability for the Twenty-First Century
Certificate Program

Malaspina University College is offering a 120 hour non-credit, part-time
certificate program in Agricultural Sustainability over two semesters
starting September 24th, 1996. The program will provide examples of
existing sustainable projects, as well as a functional framework, guidance
and hands-on activities geared toward achieving agricultural and
horticultural systems which are self-sustaining, resource-conserving,
energy efficient and economically viable.

The course will benifit farmers, landowners, home gardeners and all those
directly concerned about the quality of our food and the environment.
Landscape designers, ecologists and municipal planners will also find much
of practical value in both course material and field trips.

An information session will take place at Malaspina from 7 - 8.30 pm on
Tuesday 17th September - all are welcome, but please pre-register by
calling Malaspina @ 1-604-746-3519.

*************************************

* Organic Gardening: Growing Nature's  Way

Learn about the fundamental techniques and strategies of organic growing -
how to work as closely as possible with nature to create a healthy,
balanced environment in your garden or yard - from vegetable production to
flower growing. A Saturday field trip is also included. The course will run
for 5 sessions from October 24th - November 21st. Please call Malaspina @
1-604-746-3519 for more information.

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* Common Good Permaculture *
presents an Introduction to Permaculture Weekend
* Patterns of Sustainability *

Permaculture is a consciously designed, holistic system of land use which
can be applied in any context or on any scale from urban backyard to farm
or forest. Permaculture is concerned with all the elements in a system and
their placement in a mutually benificial and cooperative pattern. Using
nature as a template, Permaculture seeks to mimic the energy flows, cycles
and inter-relationships which occur in an intact ecosystem to create
dynamic stability and abundance.

The Patterns of Sustainability workshop will take place on Saltspring
Island at Gaia's Ark Farm, a stunning 55 acre site just north of the town
of Ganges. Gaia's Ark Farm is the home of Sheri Berkowitz and Jim Proctor,
who were drawn to Permaculture from backgrounds in human nutrition, yoga
and organic gardening. They completed the Permaculture Consultant's Design
Course in Australia in 1995. The farm encompasses a variety of
microclimates from forest to pasture, orchards and human settlements. The
site will support participants' experience, exploration and discussion of
how the many components of a natural system interact from a Permaculture
perspective.

Scottish organic farmer and Permaculture designer, Stuart Stillie will lead
the workshop with the support of Jim and Sheri. Stuart spent ten years
running a traditional Scottish croft before completing the Permaculture
Design Course at the Worcester College of Agriculture in 1992. He has since
visited Permaculture projects from NZ to Scandinavia and Japan, spending
the past two years creating a Permaculture plan for the Plati Biodiversity
Sanctuary in Ariege, France.

The workshop will explore * Principles of Permaculture *
* Broadscale Site Design *
* The House &amp; Home Garden * Tree Crops &amp; Food Forests *
* Urban &amp; Community Strategies *

* Workshop Dates *
Friday 13th Sept. 7 pm through Sunday 15th Sept. 4 pm.

Cost: CDN $275.00 per person, CDN $500.00 per couple. Workshop Fees include
16 hours of instruction, six meals and on-site camping (Bed &amp; Breakfast can
be arranged). Please call Island Permaculture Foundation @ 604-743-1810 or
fax 604-743-6712 for more details or to register. Book early as space is
very limited.


for information on any of the above, please contact:
Island Permaculture Foundation
3500 Telegraph Road Cobble Hill
British Columbia V0R 1L0
p: 604-743-1810 fax: 604-743-6712
e-amil: Dragon@mail.islandnet.com


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>I was thinking of forming alt.agriculture.permaculture as part of the
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I thaught about something like this:
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What is permaculture?

        The word "permaculture" was coined in 1978 by Bill Mollison, an
        Australian ecologist, and his student, David Holmgren. It is a
        contraction of "permanent agriculture" or "permanent culture."

        Permaculture is about designing ecological human habitats and
        food production systems. It is an approach to land use which
        integrates human dwellings, microclimate, annual and perennial
        plants, animals, soils, and water management into stable,
        productive communities.

        A central theme in permaculture is the design of ecological
        landscapes that produce food. Emphasis is placed on multi-use
        plants and the integration of animals to recycle nutrients and
        graze weeds. However, permaculture entails much more than just
        food production. Permaculture design concepts are being applied
        in urban as well as rural settings, and are applicable to single
        households or whole farms and villages.

        "Integrated farming" and "ecological engineering" are terms
        sometimes used to describe permaculture. Though helpful, these
        terms do not capture the holistic nature of permaculture and
        thus the following definitions are included to provide insight.

(from The Permaculture FAQ by Steve Diver, <URL:mailto:steved@ncatfyv.uark.edu>)

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