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From vic@daena.eepo.dialix.oz.au
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 1994 08:38:57 WST
From: Victor Guest <vic@daena.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
To: bchristensen@txinfinet.com,
    permaculture list <perma@cessysv.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
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<a href="mailto:vic@daena.eepo.dialix.oz.au">(Victor Guest <vic@daena.eepo.dialix.oz.au>)</a><br>
>To: 
>
>Hi Mike, and all. 
>
>I find it best to add a piece at a time as you are comfortable and feel the
>need.  

Hi I would like to break into this discussion, and ask if through this
mail list we might consider getting a news group organised. I may be out 
of order as my knowledge of the net is limited.

I have seen postings by people who asked about a permaculture news group
and I couldn't tell them of one.

I know there is an FAQ being worked on for a WEB server, as we are well
down that track in Perth Western Australia.

This will help cater for people who are in the GETTING STARTED field as 
well as a forum to network more Permaculture.


>I've been learning about Permaculture for 6-8 years now, and i think it is a
>continually evolving field.  Each of us can increase our web of knowledge
>about the processes which surround us and our part in them for as long as
>we're here.  

I was working on sustainability on my farm, and on Permaculture since 
I left the farm, so some of my experiences are similar to you Bill.

I have had access to Internet for about 2 years.

I now also wish I had my grand parents to talk to about their experience
particularly during the depression, when the farm was almost a fully
contained unit.

I still have a memory of all of the smells and tastes.

>Bill Christensen
>bchris@txinfinet.com
>
>  
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Regards,
          Vic
--
Victor Guest   V.G.Guest                      Perth, Western Australia
vic.guest@eepo.com.au                         3 McKee Plce Kingsley. 6206
                ----: Sustainable Agriculture :----   Tel. (09) 3092108
--: The Land Management Society & The Permaculture Association:----

From someuser@someuniv.edu  Sat Feb 18 18:24:39 1995
From london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:41:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu>
To: Victor Guest <vic@daena.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
Cc: bchristensen@txinfinet.com,
    permaculture list <perma@cessysv.eepo.dialix.oz.au>,
    permaculture-mg@twosocks.ces.ncsu.edu
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On Fri, 7 Oct 1994, Victor Guest wrote:

> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 1994 08:38:57 WST
> From: Victor Guest <vic@daena.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
> To: bchristensen@txinfinet.com,
>     permaculture list <perma@cessysv.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Victor, can you tell us how we may subscribe to your permaculture
mailing list in OZ?

> Cc: permaculture-mg@twosocks.ces.ncsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Getting started...

> Hi I would like to break into this discussion, and ask if through this
> mail list we might consider getting a news group organised. I may be out 
> of order as my knowledge of the net is limited.

I have thought about this myself and the newsgroup name:
alt.agriculture.permaculture seems appropriate. If you or someone else 
will write the statement of purpose for the group I'll have the newsgroup 
formed here at my newssite.

> I have seen postings by people who asked about a permaculture news group
> and I couldn't tell them of one.
alt.sustainable.agriculture is currently being used for that purpose; of 
course, permaculture-related articles appear in sanet-mg, 
alt.agriculture.misc, and elsewhere.

> I know there is an FAQ being worked on for a WEB server, as we are well
> down that track in Perth Western Australia.
I have a permaculture information Gopher here at sunSITE. I'd like to 
archive your FAQ when it's completed. Several of are working on one here 
in the U.S.

> This will help cater for people who are in the GETTING STARTED field as 
> well as a forum to network more Permaculture.

It would be a big help in answering questions about permaculture that 
arise on the net. The regular posting of FAQs would be an important part
of educating the public.

> --
> Victor Guest   V.G.Guest                      Perth, Western Australia
> vic.guest@eepo.com.au                         3 McKee Plce Kingsley. 6206
>                 ----: Sustainable Agriculture :----   Tel. (09) 3092108
> --: The Land Management Society & The Permaculture Association:----
________________________________________________
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>From: hwaldock@cyberstore.ca (greenbase)
Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry
Subject: Permaculture Events in Canada
Date: 15 Feb 1995 20:32:21 GMT
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PERMACULTURE Events

1995 SCHEDULE
February 18th, "Seedy Saturday", at VanDusen Botanical Garden in Vancouver     
                info.: 266-7194
February 18th, Potluck  5:30 pm after Seedy Saturday @ SPEC call Siobhan Ryan   
                873-4335 Topic of discussion: Frugal Lifestyles
Feb. 19th       "Permaculture Garden" at S.P.E.C. in Vancouver info.: Siobhan  
                Ryan 873-4335 
March 10-12     "Introduction to Permaculture" at University College of the    
                Caribou in Kamloops, Contact: Donna Mason, 825-5000
March 25, 26    "Synergistic Agriculture" with Emilia Hazelip, Slocan Valley,  
                inf.: Greg Lamoureux 226-7302                
April 22, 23    "Introduction to Permaculture" at the "Festival of Awareness"  
                in Naramata (Okanagan) Contact: Jan Stickney 492-0522
May 5-8         "Hands On Permaculture" at the Centre for Health Awareness in  
                Christina Lake, Contact: Kalia Lesley 447-6503
May 26-28       "Introduction to Permaculture" at C.R.E.D.A. in McBride, B.C., 
                Contact: Pete Amyoony 569-3379
In Calgary and Montreal date to be confirmed.


"PERMACULTURE is a design system for creating sustainable human environments."
Bill Mollison
KOOTENAY PERMACULTURE INSTITUTE
Grgoire Lamoureux has founded the Kootenay Permaculture Institute, a centre
for research and education in sustainable ways of living. The Institute offers
an apprenticeship program in which people come and learn about Permaculture,
by direct experience and by doing research on their own. One educational
project involves establishing an agroforestry system, or "forest garden", that
can produce an abundance of food in a very short period of time and in a small
amount of space, using a minimum of energy (by recycling local resources)
while integrating trees in the system. The Institute also keeps in touch with
an international network of people working with various approaches to
sustainable ways of living.

KOOTENAY PERMACULTURE INSTITUTE
Gregoire Lamoureux, Director
Box 43
Winlaw, British Columbia
Canada V0G 2J0
Phone: (604) 226-7302

SERVICES AVAILABLE:

Permaculture Design
Consulting
Courses & workshops
Seeds and plants search
Apprenticeship Program
Books & Information
Nursery Plants & Seeds

BOOKS AVAILABLE

Mollison, Bill, Permaculture A Designers' Manual, 1988, Tagari Publications,
Australia, 580 pp. Hardcover. 
Mollison, Bill and Slay, Reny Mia, Introduction to Permaculture, 1991, Tagari
Publications, Australia. 198 pp. soft. 
Mollison, Bill, The Permaculture Book of Ferment and Human Nutrition, 1993,
Tagari Publications, Australia. 288pp. soft. 
Bell, Graham, The Permaculture Way, 1992, Thorsons, HarperCollins Publishers,
London, UK. 240 pp. soft. 
Watkins, David, Urban Permaculture, A Practical Handbook for Sustainable
Living. 1993, Permanent Publications, England. 152 pp. soft. 
                 
1995 SCHEDULE
February 18th, "Seedy Saturday", at VanDusen Botanical Garden in Vancouver     
                info.: 266-7194
Feb. 19th       "Permaculture Garden" at S.P.E.C. in Vancouver info.: Siobhan  
                Ryan 873-4335 
March 10-12     "Introduction to Permaculture" at University College of the    
                Caribou in Kamloops, Contact: Donna Mason, 825-5000
March 25, 26    "Synergistic Agriculture" with Emilia Hazelip, Slocan Valley,  
                inf.: Greg Lamoureux 226-7302                
April 22, 23    "Introduction to Permaculture" at the "Festival of Awareness"  
                in Naramata (Okanagan) Contact: Jan Stickney 492-0522
May 5-8         "Hands On Permaculture" at the Centre for Health Awareness in  
                Christina Lake, Contact: Kalia Lesley 447-6503
May 26-28       "Introduction to Permaculture" at C.R.E.D.A. in McBride, B.C., 
                Contact: Pete Amyoony 569-3379
In Calgary and Montral date to be confirmed.

MEMBER OF:

WILLING WORKERS ON ORGANIC FARM (WWOOF) WWOOF-Canada, John Vanden Heuvel RR
#2, S.18, C.9, Nelson, B.C. V1L 5P5, (604) 354-4417
STEWARDS OF IRREPLACEABLE LAND (SOIL)  Kindwood Farm 499 Millstream Lake Road,
RR #6, Victoria, B.C. V8X 3X2, (604) 478-4403
TRAVELER EARTH REPAIR NETWORK (TERN)  Friends of the Trees Society, PO Box
1064, Tonasket, WA 98855. Tel/Fax (509) 485-2705

HERITAGE SEED PROGRAM (HSP) RR #3, Uxbridge, Ontario, L0C 1K0
SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE (SSE) 3076 North Winn Road, Decorah, Iowa 52101

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Alternatives BBS: 604 430 8080
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>From: hwaldock@cyberstore.ca (greenbase)
Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry
Subject: Permaculture Events in Canada
Date: 15 Feb 1995 20:32:21 GMT
Organization: greenpeace
Lines: 105


PERMACULTURE Events

1995 SCHEDULE
February 18th, "Seedy Saturday", at VanDusen Botanical Garden in Vancouver     
                info.: 266-7194
February 18th, Potluck  5:30 pm after Seedy Saturday @ SPEC call Siobhan Ryan   
                873-4335 Topic of discussion: Frugal Lifestyles
Feb. 19th       "Permaculture Garden" at S.P.E.C. in Vancouver info.: Siobhan  
                Ryan 873-4335 
March 10-12     "Introduction to Permaculture" at University College of the    
                Caribou in Kamloops, Contact: Donna Mason, 825-5000
March 25, 26    "Synergistic Agriculture" with Emilia Hazelip, Slocan Valley,  
                inf.: Greg Lamoureux 226-7302                
April 22, 23    "Introduction to Permaculture" at the "Festival of Awareness"  
                in Naramata (Okanagan) Contact: Jan Stickney 492-0522
May 5-8         "Hands On Permaculture" at the Centre for Health Awareness in  
                Christina Lake, Contact: Kalia Lesley 447-6503
May 26-28       "Introduction to Permaculture" at C.R.E.D.A. in McBride, B.C., 
                Contact: Pete Amyoony 569-3379
In Calgary and Montreal date to be confirmed.


"PERMACULTURE is a design system for creating sustainable human environments."
Bill Mollison
KOOTENAY PERMACULTURE INSTITUTE
Grgoire Lamoureux has founded the Kootenay Permaculture Institute, a centre
for research and education in sustainable ways of living. The Institute offers
an apprenticeship program in which people come and learn about Permaculture,
by direct experience and by doing research on their own. One educational
project involves establishing an agroforestry system, or "forest garden", that
can produce an abundance of food in a very short period of time and in a small
amount of space, using a minimum of energy (by recycling local resources)
while integrating trees in the system. The Institute also keeps in touch with
an international network of people working with various approaches to
sustainable ways of living.

KOOTENAY PERMACULTURE INSTITUTE
Gregoire Lamoureux, Director
Box 43
Winlaw, British Columbia
Canada V0G 2J0
Phone: (604) 226-7302

SERVICES AVAILABLE:

Permaculture Design
Consulting
Courses & workshops
Seeds and plants search
Apprenticeship Program
Books & Information
Nursery Plants & Seeds

BOOKS AVAILABLE

Mollison, Bill, Permaculture A Designers' Manual, 1988, Tagari Publications,
Australia, 580 pp. Hardcover. 
Mollison, Bill and Slay, Reny Mia, Introduction to Permaculture, 1991, Tagari
Publications, Australia. 198 pp. soft. 
Mollison, Bill, The Permaculture Book of Ferment and Human Nutrition, 1993,
Tagari Publications, Australia. 288pp. soft. 
Bell, Graham, The Permaculture Way, 1992, Thorsons, HarperCollins Publishers,
London, UK. 240 pp. soft. 
Watkins, David, Urban Permaculture, A Practical Handbook for Sustainable
Living. 1993, Permanent Publications, England. 152 pp. soft. 
                 
1995 SCHEDULE
February 18th, "Seedy Saturday", at VanDusen Botanical Garden in Vancouver     
                info.: 266-7194
Feb. 19th       "Permaculture Garden" at S.P.E.C. in Vancouver info.: Siobhan  
                Ryan 873-4335 
March 10-12     "Introduction to Permaculture" at University College of the    
                Caribou in Kamloops, Contact: Donna Mason, 825-5000
March 25, 26    "Synergistic Agriculture" with Emilia Hazelip, Slocan Valley,  
                inf.: Greg Lamoureux 226-7302                
April 22, 23    "Introduction to Permaculture" at the "Festival of Awareness"  
                in Naramata (Okanagan) Contact: Jan Stickney 492-0522
May 5-8         "Hands On Permaculture" at the Centre for Health Awareness in  
                Christina Lake, Contact: Kalia Lesley 447-6503
May 26-28       "Introduction to Permaculture" at C.R.E.D.A. in McBride, B.C., 
                Contact: Pete Amyoony 569-3379
In Calgary and Montral date to be confirmed.

MEMBER OF:

WILLING WORKERS ON ORGANIC FARM (WWOOF) WWOOF-Canada, John Vanden Heuvel RR
#2, S.18, C.9, Nelson, B.C. V1L 5P5, (604) 354-4417
STEWARDS OF IRREPLACEABLE LAND (SOIL)  Kindwood Farm 499 Millstream Lake Road,
RR #6, Victoria, B.C. V8X 3X2, (604) 478-4403
TRAVELER EARTH REPAIR NETWORK (TERN)  Friends of the Trees Society, PO Box
1064, Tonasket, WA 98855. Tel/Fax (509) 485-2705

HERITAGE SEED PROGRAM (HSP) RR #3, Uxbridge, Ontario, L0C 1K0
SEED SAVERS EXCHANGE (SSE) 3076 North Winn Road, Decorah, Iowa 52101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted By Harold Waldock : hwaldock@alternatives.com 604 430 8080
Green Culture BBS: Permaculture, Alternative Energy, organic agriculture & more
Alternatives BBS: 604 430 8080
Greenpeace, Farm Folk City Folk, Many Health Groups & more.

Voice 604 434 3299



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[I think there was a large thread on this on the usenet group,
alt.sustainable.agriculture a while back.  Perhaps Larry London knows
where it is archived. TH]

Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:11:41 EST
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Subject: RE: SOIL QUALITY; CON'T (FWD)                                    

Tim & the rest of you,

I ask this question because the South Australian State Government has just
approved the planting of test crops.

Have any of you considered Hemp as a food crop?  It is becoming more widely
considered as a substitute fibre crop instead of cotton.

Mike SMith
President,
Permaculture ACT - Promoting sustainable systems in the region of the
Australian Capital Territory (Canberra)

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Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:11:41 EST
From: " Mike Smith " <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>
Subject: SOIL QUALITY; CON'T (FWD)                                        

Chuck,

I'd be really interested in seeing a copy of the Pierce/Larson paper you
referred to.  Can someone please post it?

Mike SMith
President, Permaculture ACT (Australian Capital Territory)
Tresurer, Australian Centre for Environmentally Sustainable Systems

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Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:44:12 EST
From: " Mike Smith " <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>
Subject: SOIL QUALITY; CON'T (FWD)                                        

Chuck said...

"  By focusing on very long-term sustainability issues, and placing
great emphasis on whether a given system, practice, technology, type of
farm is theoretically sustainable forever, we miss the chance to gain
better understanding and do a better job of managing issues in "our own
backyard".  Backyard in the sense of time (our lifetimes) and place (the
U.S. or the region we work in)."

I think this is an important issue but I wouldn't like us to ignore the
long-term sustainability of our systems.  Obviously we have learnt a great
deal about what doesn't work by observing the consequesces of our actions and
this will remain the main form of learning for us as a species (unfortunately).

However, long-term sustainability, yes forever, is the principal objective.
I can't state that too strongly.  Balancing that with population growth will
be one of the major constraints we will experience.  The consequences of not
handling that constraint will deal with population growth in a very unpleasant
way.

Certainly, intensive agriculture can be sustainable in the long-term.
Traditional peoples can demonstrate this where they have not overstressed the
biological systems of the REGION by reducing fertility, overcropping and
removal of tree and other cover.

One final point before sending this to the list.  Please see if you can
look at the global picture, particularly those situations where population
pressure compromises what we would consider social responsibility.  Refer
to the often shown image of a woman in India cutting down the very last tree
on a hill for use for fire wood.  So, once again, to paraphrase a well-worn
expression.  GAIN EXPERIENCE LOCALLY, APPLY IT GLOBALLY.

Mike SMith
President, Permaculture ACT (Australian Capital Territory) - PACT
Treasurer, Australian Centre for Environmentally Sustainable Systems - ACESS

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>From: Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup) <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
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[I think there was a large thread on this on the usenet group,
alt.sustainable.agriculture a while back.  Perhaps Larry London knows
where it is archived. TH]

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>From: " Mike Smith " <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>
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Tim & the rest of you,

I ask this question because the South Australian State Government has just
approved the planting of test crops.

Have any of you considered Hemp as a food crop?  It is becoming more widely
considered as a substitute fibre crop instead of cotton.

Mike SMith
President,
Permaculture ACT - Promoting sustainable systems in the region of the
Australian Capital Territory (Canberra)

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 > I ask this question because the South Australian State Government has just
 > approved the planting of test crops.
 > 
 > Have any of you considered Hemp as a food crop?  It is becoming more widely
 > considered as a substitute fibre crop instead of cotton.
 
 As a farm advisor, I've looked into hemp as a viable farm crop 
 and can offer a few tidbits.
 
 Hemp had been grown in France as a fiber crop for decades 
 according to an article in "Sustainable Farming" published
 by REAP-Canada (one of the best sustainable ag periodicals
 too, BTW).
 
 Also, regulations have already passed Parliament or are
 in discussion as to the production of low-THC hemp strains
 as a fiber crop in Canada.  This would be done on a 
 licensed basis by farmers.  
 
 It seems that a major factor is the ability for society
 and government to make the distinction between production
 of a farm crop--fiber hemp--with its illegal cousin, 
 marijuana.  On quick observation, the political climate 
 in the U.S. does not appear to be ripe for any action in this
 direction very soon.  
 
 The last Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, supported 
 reopening the medical marijuana program, and many
 hemp supporters were hoping this would loosen up
 agricultural hemp regulations
 
 The main point for farmers and others investigating this
 crop is that fiber hemp production is based on strains of 
 low-THC Cannabis.  [THC being the drug derived from 
 marijuana].
 
 One company in Canada is working with Cannabis germplasm to 
 specifically combine high quality fiber and LOW-content THC. 
 
 Plenty of information and data about the fiber quality of hemp is 
 available. Old USDA Bulletins and Yearbooks are a good
 source of data.  It also has uses as a birdseed crop, as an
 oil crop, fuel crop, etc.
 
 In the U.S., at least a half-dozen companies already 
 sell hemp products.  These products are perfectly legal.
 The hemp itself is raised in largely the 2/3rds World
 (with developed countries barely making up the 1/3 World in 
 real comparisons), and raw material shipped into the U.S. 
 Products include clothes, hats, fiber bags, birdseed,
 oil, etc., etc.
 
 Please note:  any discussion of alternative fiber crops
 should include a mention of kenaf, Hibiscus cannabinus. 
 Kenaf has been thoroughly researched by USDA and a 
 number of land-grant universities.  This research 
 dates back to the late 50s and early 60s, but it takes
 so long to bring an alternative crop in commercialization 
 that it is just now coming on-line with any significant 
 acreage to speak of.  Processing facilities and product
 marketing are the main hindrances; production technology is 
 the least limiting factor, as usual. 
 
 Crotalaria, or Sunn Hemp, was another crop that looked promising
 to the USDA, but kenaf apparently gained the edge. 
 
 Kenaf is a fine crop that can go a long way towards 
 solving needs in agriculture and forestry, but in reality 
 we need to be careful that it doesn't become just another 
 drain on the environment where nitrogen fertilizers, nematicides, 
 defoliants, and monocultures become the norm. 
 
 Widespread adoption of hemp would entail the same
 pitfalls, no doubt.
 
 

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Rachel Friefelder asked about permie places in california and orgeon. 

Try:

Island Mountain Institute, Garberville, California (707) 923-4301
Penny Livingston, Point Reyes, California (415) 663-9139
Sandy Bar Ranch, Orleans, California (916) 627-3379

Permacutlure events, courses, and gatherings are held at these places
regularly. 

catherine yronwode

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Hello, I am a grad student at UC Davis, studying sustainable agriculture 
and systems design.  Does anyone know of any permaculture/biodynamic 
farms or similar integrated operations that welcome short-term visitors 
interested in seeing how they work, or, even better, that are interested 
in someone undertaking some kind of agronomic study of their farm?  I am 
trying to develop ways to audit for "sustainability", including soils, 
water quality, energetics, nutrient cycling, interaction with natural 
systems; I'm hoping that these audits would be useful to people striving 
for sustainability.

I'm especially interested in communities, and obviously would be most 
able to visit places within California or southern Oregon.
Any leads would be appreciated.

Rachel Read Freifelder             
Department of Vegetable Crops
University of California, Davis
(916)753-3039


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 Hi, 
	I am aware of a permaculture grazier that has used the Yeomans 
method to capture water and fertility on his hillside ranch. This fellow 
is Marvin Hegge in Roseburg Oregon, and his operation is quite a sight. 
If you have interest beep me back.

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Please forward:

Rachel -- its not S. Oregon or California, but here on Orcas Island in
Washington, there are several farms that may together be interested in
a project -- of which Biodynamic, organic and permaculture are separate
cultural practices on distinct farms. If you are interested, my email
is tforster@igc.apc.org and phone is 206-360-76-3663. Address
Post Office Box 128, Olaga WA 98279

Thomas Forster

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Hello, my name is Sunny, I am the director of a non-profit called La Tierra. 
We would like to post an announcement of a Permaculture Certification Course 
that will be taught by Permaculture founder, Bill Mollison and his associate 
Scott Pittman. The course is being held May 20-June 3, 1995 in northern CA. 
This will be Bills only teaching engagement in the western U.S. this year.  
For more information contact
Sunny, e-mail to: vitaltec@nbn.com or Call (707) 829-8191. Any help you can 
give us in posting this event will be greatly appreciated. 
Best Regards, Sunny from La Tierra. (see attached File)


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I am travelling to Germany in May and I was wondering if there will be
any permaculture workshops/seminars or convergences there in either late
April or May?  Language is not a problem in that I am bilingual.

I also wish to travel to Thailand sometime this year and was wondering if
there are any such meetings taking place there or in Malaysia?  This trip
is flexible so information on such meetings for 95 would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help.  Also, if someone might know of contacts
that may be able to help me, I would be grateful.

Roland Schmidt-Bellach
Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
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Subject: Announcement: Permaculture Certification Course
-

Permaculture Certification Course  
With Bill Mollison & Scott Pittman
May 20-June 3

Taught by Bill Mollison, Founder of Permaculture, & Scott Pittman 
(Bill's only California engagement for 1995)

This 2 week course is structured to give you an intensive overview of 
permaculture design methodology and applications. Topics to be included (but 
not limited to) are: Water in the landscape, Village design & gardening 
techniques, Principals of natural systems, Reading the landscape/site 
analysis, Soil building, erosion control, Shelters and energy conservation and 
Pond designs. Certification allows you to use the term "Permaculture" in 
pursuit of livelihood and for educational purposes.


Sponsored by La Tierra (non-profit educational organization)
Location: La Tierra Community, Sebastopol, CA
Cost: $750 before May 1, $795 after, includes meals and tent dorm 
accomodations or camping.

Pre- registration required:  Call (707) 829-8191  
Write to La Tierra, 708 Gravenstein Hwy N. #120 
Sebastopol, CA 95472
E-mail vitaltec@nbn.com





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Subject: How to create a sustainable agriculture? (fwd)
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:01:45 -0400
>From: Bob Torres <btorres@netcom.com>
To: agenvir-l@pentagon.io.com
Subject: How to create a sustainable agriculture?

Hello all,

I just finished reading a chapter in Orr's (I think he's the author) book
_Ecological Literacy_ called Food Alchemy and Sustainable Agriculture.  It
raised a lot of questions in my mind, but one of the biggest that I've had
for a long time (and I haven't found a good answer yet, really) is:

How do we make the move to sustainable agriculture on a large scale?

As I see it, the permaculturists and people like Wendell Berry (forgive me
if you're unfamiliar with this stuff....I don't know the experience levels
here) have GREAT ideas, but practically, I think that somehow our existing
system needs to be modified in order for things to work.  Or, to have a
real transformation, the market needs to appreciate that sustainability is
important, otherwise, it may not happen.  We need an agricultural
revolution for the sake of the environment (and some would argue culture),
but how?

I realize how broad my statements are....just kind of thinking out loud.

Cheers,

Bob

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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu>
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:46:49 -0400
>From: Jenna Dalious <jpd117@email.psu.edu>
To: agenvir-l@pentagon.io.com
Subject: Re: What do you think of this?

The CSAS Newsletter states:
>>In the research and education program at The Land Institute in Salina,
>>Kansas, Jackson said they are beginning to better understand the
>>complexity of the prairie ecosystem and are creating combinations
>>of plants in what are called perennial polycultures. In the
>>future these will supply food, hold the soil in place, and
>>approximate the native vegetation of the place. Such a system
>>will be more sustainable than today's extractive cultivation of a
>>few crops based on high inputs of fossil fuels and other scarce
>>resources.

You asked what we think -- I think it's wonderful!  Polyculture must be
researched intensily if we are to save our topsoil and preserve genetic
diversity of the native vegetation. But I am wondering, what type of plants
will be grown by this method and how will they be harvested?  I know
vegetable crops can easily be harvested by hand, with many advantages such
as less plant damage, less fossil fuel use, and less compaction of the soil
from heavy machinery.  However, I am not aware of the methods used to
collect things such as grains by hand.  Can anyone fill me in?  It seems to
me that it would not be very difficult and I am probably missing a very
obvious solution to this problem.  Actually, I am interested if anyone has
information on traditional methods of harvesting and processing plants that
does not require machinery.  Thanks,

Jenna

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Subject: Re: Announcement: Permaculture Certification Course (fwd)


My name is Francisco Salinas and I am working as an adviser-member of
the Honduras Organic Farmers Association that involves more than 600
small farmers (low-icome families).

I have seen the announcement about the 2 week course you are promoting
about permaculture methodolgy and applications .

Since we are so far from your Country, we would like to request your
assistence in this matter.  If you have available information about 
permaculture , please send it to me by:
e-mail: salinas@sdnhon.undp.org
or by regular mail to: Francisco Salinas, P.O. Box 2227, Tegucigalpa,
Honduras.

Thanks for your help and SALUDOS!!!!............Francisco Salinas

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Subject: Info needed on deer damage (fwd)
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>From: userid@psu.edu (First M. Lastname)
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Subject: Info needed on deer damage
Date: 15 Feb 1995 20:42:26 GMT
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Sender: klw130@hearst.cac.psu.edu

	Hello!  IUm  working on an honors thesis that will focus on the
economic, biological, and social aspects of deer damage to agricultural
crops.  I will be looking to develop some policy alternatives that
attempt to address the problem of deer overpopulation and its effect on
agricultural crops specifically in Pennsylvania.  I would greatly
appreciate some information and suggestions.  I have some specific
information IUm looking for which includes the following: 
	 
	--total deer population estimate for the state and each county in the
state;
	--equation for determining the deer population/ carrying capacity  by
Game 			Commission;
	--carrying capacity for different forest types;
	--carrying capacity estimate for each county of the state;
	
	--total 	number of deer harvested for the state and each county;
	--total number of deer harvested on crop damage Rhot spotS farms for
the regular 		season and the extended season;
	--list of crop damage Rhot spotS farms for the state by each county;
	--approximate numbers of hunters per county of the state;
	
	--crop damage estimates by deer by bu. or $;
	--total acreage of farmland in the state by county;
	--total acreage of  each county of the state;
	--list of full time, part-time and hobby farms and acreage of the
state by county;
	
	--estimated amount of money (revenue) that hunting brings into the
state by 			county;
	--any information on PFA or other legislation concerning crop damage
and 			deer;
	--any information on the use of contraceptives or fencing as possible
solutions.
--any other data or information sources that would be helpful
concerning 				economic, biological, or social aspects of deer damage
to agriculture 			crops.

Please send any information or information sources to klw130@psu.edu.

Thank you for your time and help!  Kevin Willis
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My wife and I are very interested in permaculture.  From the information
we have found, it looks like a great system to use and the best at
work/production involved and is the way we think to build our
environment. We bought some land (5 acres) that was used for horse
pasture but overgrazed. So, we have basically a blank canvas to work.

 What would be recommended as a few good source (s) of how to
 learn more about permaculture and how to design a pacel of land?

Thank you for your time.

-robert

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hello --

There are several good books on Permaculture, but the best by far is the BIG
one, "Permaculure: a Guide to a Suatainble Future" -- published in Australia
under the title "Permaculture: A Designer's Manual" -- by Bill Mollison. It
is available from Gaia Bookstroe in San Francisco. Call the SF telephone
directory to get their number and ask them for it. It is expensive ($65.00)
but it is HUGE and written in small type and heavily illustrated and it is
DEFINITELY worth the money because it covers every type of land situation
from an overall pattern and design concept, not by particulars that may or
may not apply to your five acres.

Then try to take a Permaculture design workshop or course of you can. 

I wish i could give you more help and i am sure others will have lots more
information than i do. 

catherine yronwode

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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.950226205402.2359C-100000-100000-100000-100000-100000-100000-100000-100000@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu> you wrote:

: ---------- Forwarded message ----------
: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:08:32 -0800
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: Permaculture Certification Course  
: With Bill Mollison & Scott Pittman
: May 20-June 3

: Taught by Bill Mollison, Founder of Permaculture, & Scott Pittman 
: (Bill's only California engagement for 1995)

: This 2 week course is structured to give you an intensive overview of 
: permaculture design methodology and applications. Topics to be included (but 
: not limited to) are: Water in the landscape, Village design & gardening 
: techniques, Principals of natural systems, Reading the landscape/site 
: analysis, Soil building, erosion control, Shelters and energy conservation and 
: Pond designs. Certification allows you to use the term "Permaculture" in 
: pursuit of livelihood and for educational purposes.


: Sponsored by La Tierra (non-profit educational organization)
: Location: La Tierra Community, Sebastopol, CA
: Cost: $750 before May 1, $795 after, includes meals and tent dorm 
: accomodations or camping.

: Pre- registration required:  Call (707) 829-8191  
: Write to La Tierra, 708 Gravenstein Hwy N. #120 
: Sebastopol, CA 95472
: E-mail vitaltec@nbn.com






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My name is Francisco Salinas and I am working as an adviser-member of
the Honduras Organic Farmers Association that involves more than 600
small farmers (low-icome families).

I have seen the announcement about the 2 week course you are promoting
about permaculture methodolgy and applications .

Since we are so far from your Country, we would like to request your
assistence in this matter.  If you have available information about 
permaculture , please send it to me by:
e-mail: salinas@sdnhon.undp.org
or by regular mail to: Francisco Salinas, P.O. Box 2227, Tegucigalpa,
Honduras.

Thanks for your help and SALUDOS!!!!............Francisco Salinas

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:08:32 -0800
>From: vitaltec@nbn.com
To: london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Announcement: Permaculture Certification Course
-

Permaculture Certification Course  
With Bill Mollison & Scott Pittman
May 20-June 3

Taught by Bill Mollison, Founder of Permaculture, & Scott Pittman 
(Bill's only California engagement for 1995)

This 2 week course is structured to give you an intensive overview of 
permaculture design methodology and applications. Topics to be included (but 
not limited to) are: Water in the landscape, Village design & gardening 
techniques, Principals of natural systems, Reading the landscape/site 
analysis, Soil building, erosion control, Shelters and energy conservation and 
Pond designs. Certification allows you to use the term "Permaculture" in 
pursuit of livelihood and for educational purposes.


Sponsored by La Tierra (non-profit educational organization)
Location: La Tierra Community, Sebastopol, CA
Cost: $750 before May 1, $795 after, includes meals and tent dorm 
accomodations or camping.

Pre- registration required:  Call (707) 829-8191  
Write to La Tierra, 708 Gravenstein Hwy N. #120 
Sebastopol, CA 95472
E-mail vitaltec@nbn.com





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A friend forwarded me several messages from this list an dI would like to 
subscribe.  I apologize for posting to the list, but I tried sending mail to
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.950126141830.23731D-100000@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu> you write:

 >  
 >  
 > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 09:56:32 -0800
 > >From: Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup) <sustag@BETA.TRICITY.WSU.EDU>
 > To: Multiple recipients of list SUSTAG-L
 >      <SUSTAG-L%WSUVM1.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU>
 > Subject: basic questions on sustainable ag
 >  
 > Basic Questions About Sustainable Agriculture
 >  
 > The two biggest questions about sustainable agriculture seem to be:
 >     1.  what is it?
 >     2.  how do we get there?
 >  
   This is very contemplative stuff, and very hard for us to be 
objective about. I see many things happening for the good while we 
debate question number 1.
Checks and balances are starting to be put in place to start costing the
real production cost of food. Ships which spill fuel used to bunker 
grain and produce ships are part of the unseen cost to our society.
The sending of wheat to Italy be made into Pasta and then transporting 
it back is ludicrous.
We can't isolate sustainable Agriculture from sustainable community.
Kids in Australia are monitoring the quality of water in rivers, and so 
we see governments becoming sensitive to issues that they would have 
been happy to turn a blind eye to.
I worked in Libya for 2 years on a dryland farming project, and the 
destruction of the forests by the Romans looks like history repeating 
itself in the new world. There appears to be good reason to beleive that 
from the video produced by Bill Mollison "The Global Gardener" that
removing a third world country from the grips of the world banks that we 
can create a sustainable agricultural system for third world countries.
The Capitalist slave mentality and the power of the media to sell us 
stuff we don't want, is all part of getting to grips with the problem.
Global awareness of the problems is seeing 40,000,000 kids connected 
electronically world wide to the scientific team from five world 
powers crossing the Antartic.
Because of this project we are lead to believe that America signed a no 
mining agreement.
 I met a young graphic artist who's brother navigated the  team  across 
the Antartic who set up this kids project, and he was a fellow speaker 
at a conference on a curiculum for Global Education.  
I read that by encouraging natural preditors the amount of chemical is 
being dramatically reduced on vineyards.    
I was at a meeting of Australian Assoc. of Enviromental Education 
yesterday and all school curiculum is being linked to the enviroment.
Landcare projects are a major part of this.
Through e-mail I am able to read about the incredable movement towards 
a sustainable world.
Your questions are good to help us focus on the issues, and I think the 
critical mass to achieve this is here.
Repairing our broken world, means we can't sustain the present systems 
and using nature rather than fighting it as permaculture design does 
suggests that we could feed the world on 4% of the arable land.
 
>   > Tom Hodges, Cropping Systems Analyst, thodges@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
 >  
 >  
-- 
Regards,
          Vic
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>From: bpfungi@aol.com (Bpfungi)
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Subject: Re: Re: What do you think of this? (fwd)
Date: 10 Mar 1995 01:21:34 -0500

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:46:49 -0400
>From: Jenna Dalious <jpd117@email.psu.edu>
To: agenvir-l@pentagon.io.com
Subject: Re: What do you think of this?

The CSAS Newsletter states:
>>In the research and education program at The Land Institute in Salina,
>>Kansas, Jackson said they are beginning to better understand the
>>complexity of the prairie ecosystem and are creating combinations
>>of plants in what are called perennial polycultures. In the
>>future these will supply food, hold the soil in place, and
>>approximate the native vegetation of the place. Such a system
>>will be more sustainable than today's extractive cultivation of a
>>few crops based on high inputs of fossil fuels and other scarce
>>resources.

You asked what we think -- I think it's wonderful!  Polyculture must be
researched intensily if we are to save our topsoil and preserve genetic
diversity of the native vegetation. But I am wondering, what type of
plants
will be grown by this method and how will they be harvested?  I know
vegetable crops can easily be harvested by hand, with many advantages such
as less plant damage, less fossil fuel use, and less compaction of the
soil
from heavy machinery.  However, I am not aware of the methods used to
collect things such as grains by hand.  Can anyone fill me in?  It seems
to
me that it would not be very difficult and I am probably missing a very
obvious solution to this problem.  Actually, I am interested if anyone has
information on traditional methods of harvesting and processing plants
that
does not require machinery.  Thanks,


====================================================
Reply:
As a farmer from Northwestern Minnesota and a student, I see the
connection between understanding/promoting prairie ecosystems and
preventing soil loss, etc.  However, I can't believe the system described
in your letter will ever be used (i.e., harvested) for human consumption. 

I say this for the following reasons:
1.) Genetic diversity is rarely associated with human utility or
palatability,
2.) Kansas prairie-land is just that, "prairie" (i.e., small grains, or
native grasses),
3.) The owner of the land you speak of needs to make a living: don't
forget that,
4.) If the said land is public, who will harvest the low-value grasses,
and why$,
5.) As far as I know, the only population to ever harvest (without the use
of modern equipment) grain from a MIXED population was the American
Indian!  

Is such a system truely sustainable?  There are many ways to interpret the
topic of "sustainable agriculture".  My definition always includes
sustaining the family farms of America.  In America we have never known
true "hunger" or dependence on foreign foodstuffs; maintain American
farms, and we never shall!

"Today's extractive cultivation of a few crops based on high inputs of
fossil fuels and other scarce resources" may not be exactly what Nature
intended, but it does keep food our Nation's grocery store full of cheap
food!  If each of us lived in harmony with nature we certainly could not
discuss important topics such as this via email, or even drive our cars
within our "concrete jungle" cities (at least that's what my Grandpa calls
Minneapolis/St. Paul)!  

Bruce Paulsrud
Univ. of Minn.
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We have been trying to produce most of our food for a few years and
have found it to be a challenge.  So I thought it might be interesting
to talk about food systems.  In the last few years a lot of the tools,
techniques, plants, and concepts have changed.
We now have new concepts such as permacutlure, ecology, sustainability,
pollution, organic growing, Integrated Pest Management, etc.  This
presents two problems.

   1.  Finding and understanding information.
   2.  Applying information in a useful way.

For example, the US government finally recognized that our basic
ideas about nutrition was wrong, so they revised the food charts.
If we apply this information to food production, it says that
animals are less important to food production, and grains, vegetables,
fruit are more important.

Permaculture is telling us that us to utilize permanent plantings
for food.  They argue that it is better for the ecology, and is
less work.  To back up their claims they have identified some
of the important plants and sent teachers around the world.

Most of these new ideas are ideal for homesteaders.  In fact it
may be possible to make homesteading easier by using some of
this research.  So I have used these ideas to make some predictions.
Hopefully this might create some discussion.

1. Homesteading will trend away from using animals for food in the areas
   of meat and dairy.

2. Homestead plantings will include more permanent plantings which
   are disease and pest resistant.

3. Homestead plantings will become more diverse, and mono cropping
   will become less popular.

4. When the oil starts running out, the price of food will go up
   and homesteading will once again become a viable economic unit.

5. Areas with worn out soil will be converted to tree crops and
   other hardy plantings.  This will give rise to a new class
   of agriculture/homestead.

Well, this is getting too long so I'll quit here.  Any comments?

Jeff (vote with your lifestyle)

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 08:33:48 -0500
>From: Jeff Owens <kowens@teleport.com>
To: homestead@world.std.com
Subject: Food Systems


We have been trying to produce most of our food for a few years and
have found it to be a challenge.  So I thought it might be interesting
to talk about food systems.  In the last few years a lot of the tools,
techniques, plants, and concepts have changed.
We now have new concepts such as permacutlure, ecology, sustainability,
pollution, organic growing, Integrated Pest Management, etc.  This
presents two problems.

   1.  Finding and understanding information.
   2.  Applying information in a useful way.

For example, the US government finally recognized that our basic
ideas about nutrition was wrong, so they revised the food charts.
If we apply this information to food production, it says that
animals are less important to food production, and grains, vegetables,
fruit are more important.

Permaculture is telling us that us to utilize permanent plantings
for food.  They argue that it is better for the ecology, and is
less work.  To back up their claims they have identified some
of the important plants and sent teachers around the world.

Most of these new ideas are ideal for homesteaders.  In fact it
may be possible to make homesteading easier by using some of
this research.  So I have used these ideas to make some predictions.
Hopefully this might create some discussion.

1. Homesteading will trend away from using animals for food in the areas
   of meat and dairy.

2. Homestead plantings will include more permanent plantings which
   are disease and pest resistant.

3. Homestead plantings will become more diverse, and mono cropping
   will become less popular.

4. When the oil starts running out, the price of food will go up
   and homesteading will once again become a viable economic unit.

5. Areas with worn out soil will be converted to tree crops and
   other hardy plantings.  This will give rise to a new class
   of agriculture/homestead.

Well, this is getting too long so I'll quit here.  Any comments?

Jeff (vote with your lifestyle)

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>From: Brian Burt <bburt@LIMESTONE.KOSONE.COM>
To: london@sunsite.unc.edu
Subject: Switchgrass - Biomass.

Reap Canada @ Macdonald College  in Quebec have a fairly extensive field
trial program for switchgrass and short rotation forestry eg. poplar, willow.

So far they have had very good luck with switchgrass. Its yields approach
that of the highest yielding hay crops. The big difference is that it can
do that with far less inputs in the form of fertilizer and water.

Reap Canada is located @ Box 125 Glenaladale House, Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue,
Quebec, Canada, H9X 3V9.

Switchgrass - Biomass.                                                       R

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>From: Warwick Rowell <warwick@bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
To: Homestead list <HOMESTEAD@world.std.com>
Subject: A definition of Permaculture

After the last spate of stuff about food systems there seems 
to be some confusion about what Permaculture is. In an attempt
to clarify this, I have enclose below a one page definition 
with some characteristics that I have built over eight years
of dealing with people's requests for information about 
Permaculture.

We are all moving in the same direction and have different and 
overlapping mental frameworks for doing it. Arguing that "my theory 
contains yours" is not very fruitful. But one of the fundamental issues 
we face is the order in which we come across ideas, and what we do with 
new stuff. 

Most times we fit subsequent material into the first framework 
we receive. Very occasionally we find a new framework that fits 
our experience of the world so well we go through the huge mental 
effort of changing. 

Permaculture seems to me to be a comprehensive framework that is
system based, that is positive, personal, and pragmatic. For me, 
it is a framework that contains organic gardening, sustainable agriculture, 
homesteading, solar design, alternative power, frugal living, 
alternative economics, independence/interdependence issues, and so on..


Here is the text of the handout:

	Permaculture is applied integrated design.

Permaculture started as a strategy for designing systems for Permanent 
or Perennial Agriculture. It has developed to  include other systems 
where carefully integrated design is desperately needed; houses and 
factories, as well as economic and community structures. Permaculture 
has drawn together a wide range of techniques, old and new, but it is 
different from most of them, because it is concerned about the >placement< 
of >elements< within the >system<. 


	Permaculture is about deliberately designing systems that 
	are resilient and meet the needs of all their members.
	

Characteristics of Permaculture systems:

1.   The designed system uses and complements the natural systems that 
are present. eg: water control by planted swales not concrete drains.

 2.   Each element performs many functions in the system. eg: A fruit 
tree can provide a crop, wind shelter, trellis, soil conditioning, 
shade, roosting.    

 3.   Every function needed in the system is provided by many elements. 
eg: To keep warm: clothes, hats, gloves, food, exercise, find a sunny 
spot, before lighting a fire. 

 4.   The system's size is appropriate to the resources available to 
design, establish and maintain it. eg: Dont spend all your money on 
buying a large block of land. eg: Dont look for the worlds best 
technique or machinery, look for something appropriate, inexpensive, 
that works, here. eg: Borrow a 4WD once a year..

5.   The local needs of the system and its participants are given 
priority over external needs. eg: Design and finance a farm so most 
needs can still be met if there is reduced income from exports (that 
is, anything going off the property).

6.   In the longer term, energy is conserved and variety is maintained.
eg: Producing your own food saves energy used for transport and packaging. 
eg: Adding predators to the system, rather than trying to kill a pest.


Please feel free to distribute freely, but only with acknowledgement to 
	Permaculture Applications, Consultancy and Education 
		  Perth, Western Australia.
 __________________________________________________________
|                warwick.rowell@eepo.com.au                |
|                                                          |
|   Management Consultant     Permaculture Designer        |
|_"Helping Managers Learn"___"Helping Land Managers Learn"_|

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>From: Ken Buhr / KLB@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU on Internet <KLB@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>
To: Sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Breeding food crops for environments subject to climate stress

     I volunteered to make a presentation to our weekly Plant
Breeding Journal Club, to plant breeders and graduate students in
Agronomy and the Horticultural Sciences (Fruit Crops and Vegetable
Crops).  Although the date for the informal presentation is almost
here, Thursday, 16 March, I have a long term interest and concerns
about the subject.  So, if you have input, I would be happy to hear
from you, even if March 16 is long gone.

     I will be exploring a somewhat controversial subject - breeding
food crops for environments likely to be increasingly subject to
irregular precipitation (or as one of my colleagues in Africa put
it, breeding food crops for a population increasingly subject to
aberrations in climatic patterns):
 
     Here is a bit of background - my farming systems work (I am a
plant breeder by training) in Africa (primarily in Mozambique) has
repeatedly shown that small farmers *want* earlier-maturing
varieties.  There are two reasons for their interest in early
varieties: the limited-input farmers (the term in Mozambique is
"family sector" farmers) have been experiencing shortened rainy
seasons with increasing regularity and severity (1992 was worst in
living memory), and, early-maturing varieties reduce the amount of
time in the period known as the "hunger months."
 
     I got to wondering if this experience in Africa may be
applicable to broader concerns, in years to come.  This would make
a good topic to discuss with fellow faculty and some of tomorrow's
breeders (the grad students).  Clearly, there are a couple
plausible ways for at-risk environments to originate or increase in
importance:
 
     1)   increasing pressure to use more marginal land for food
     crops - be it the result of increasing pressures of a growing
     human population, or simply, degradation of favorable crop
     land and natural resources, or,
 
     2)   mounting concerns that the increasing levels of
     atmospheric carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse gases" may
     result in modifications to environments here-to-fore favorable
     to crop production (granted, some previously unfavorable may
     become favorable).
 
     I went to our campus library and searched AGRICOLA and
CAB databases, using keywords "plant breeding" and "climate
change."  I got two "hits," neither of which are in our library: 
 
     A)  Hillman, J.R.  1992.  Opportunities and problems in plant
     biotechnology - an overview.  Proc. of the Royal Society of
     Edinburgh.  Section B: Biological Sciences.  99:3-4, 173-182.
     17 refs. 
     
     B)  Organization for Economic Cooperation and Dev. 1992. 
     Biotechnology, Agriculture and Food.  219 pp.  Address:
     Scottish Crop Res. Ins. Invergowrie, Dundee DD2 5DA, UK. 
 
     I invite input and suggestions on the general theme, and if
someone could help me obtain the Hillman article (A above) I would
be grateful.
 
     Thanks in advance.
     Ken Buhr 
     Agronomy, U of Florida
     KLB@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu


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Ken Buhr wrote: 

>I volunteered to make a presentation to our weekly Plant
>Breeding Journal Club, to plant breeders and graduate students in
>Agronomy and the Horticultural Sciences (Fruit Crops and Vegetable
>Crops)...So, if you have input, I would be happy to hear
>from you...

[snip]

Ken, for a practical book on adaptive plant breeding geared to the small
grower (not to ag depts at universities) read Dr. Carol Deppe's "Breed Your
own Vegetable Varietes," Little, Brown, 1993. Deppe is a serious researcher;
the book is scientifically engaging yet accessible to those who wish to adapt
crops to their local climtes, etc. 

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>From: Steve Diver <steved@ncatfyv.uark.edu>
To: sanet-mg@wolf.ces.ncsu.edu, sustag-public@wolf.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: BIO-CONTROL MATTERS-> Humus 

 Abstract:  Response to post about the role of humus in Nature 
            Farming and S.A.
 Keywords:  humus, microbes, Nature Farming, the Luebke
            method, soil test
 
 Jim McNelly,
 
 I saw your posting (below) on sustag-public concerning the 
 concept of humus as the basis for sustainable agriculture 
 as versus designer microbes, companion planting, etc.  
 [Sustag-public is a gateway for Usenet news to be posted on
 an Internet mailing list, and vice versa].  Thanks for bringing this 
 issue to light.  A couple of comments:
 
 Firstly, it was revealed on sanet-mg that the NatureFarm posting 
 was a working draft by folks associated with this project.
 It was posted onto sanet-mg by a third party without prior
 notice or approval from the authors. 
 
 Secondly, here are my two cents on the matter of humus in 
 Nature Farming and S.A.:
  
 In the 1994 Proceedings of the Oklahoma Horticulture 
 Industries Show, I compared Nature Farming, traditional organic 
 farming, biodynamic farming, and Reams biological farming as
 viable sustainable farming 'methods' that conventional 
 veggie growers may want to adopt during a transition to
 low-input sustainable agriculture.  
 
 Here is an excerpt on Nature Farming:
 
   "Nature Farming was developed in Japan in the 1930s by 
 Mokichi Okada, who later formed the Mokichi Okada
 Association (MOA).  Nature Farming parallels organic farming
 in many ways but includes special emphasis on soil health
 through composts rather than organic fertilizers, when
 possible.  Kyusei Nature Farming, a branch group, emphasizes
 use of microbial preparations in addition to traditional
 Nature Farming.  Nature Farming is most active in the
 Pacific rim, including California and Hawaii."  
 
   "Since the late 1980s, Nature Farming has gained wider
 recognition in the United States through the coordinated
 efforts of MOA and the Rodale Institute in the formation of
 the World Sustainable Agriculture Association (WSAA).  The
 WSAA and MOA sponsor annual conferences on Nature Farming
 and sustainable agriculture.  Kyusei Nature Farming conducts
 on-farm research in California." 
 
 One MOA worker in Hawaii explained that in fact they 
 even make special composts for different purposes.  Thus, 
 in terms of how the foundation of Nature Farming is laid,
 it appears that humus indeed forms the basis of production.
 Likewise, while not being familiar with all the particulars
 of Effective Microorganisms (EM) used in Nature Farming, 
 on viewing the number of research papers available through 
 Kyusei Nature Farming that deal specifically with microbes,
 it appears that these microbial additions to soils are 
 important also for the role they play in the formation of 
 humus.  
 
 All of this stuff on humus is important, just as is the advanced 
 work being done on biological controls by Dietrick, Grossman, BIRC, 
 Kyusei Nature Farming, etc.
 
 More on humus, the Luebke influence: 
 
 The Luebke farm family of Austria have infused a reawakening
 amongst farmers and landgrant workers as to the importance of 
 humus through their seminars and conference appearances. 
 
 The Luebkes teach a 3-day seminar on humus management, and a
 4-day seminar on Controlled Microbial Composting (CMC).  The
 Luebke system is based on the use of forage- and
 covercrop-based crop rotations, green manures microbially 
 incoculated at plowdown, CMC compost prepared with microbial 
 inoculants and rock dusts, and proper tillage (spade plow). 
 
 Whether a farmer is financially capable of purchasing a 
 Sandberger compost turner and adopting the whole CMC compost 
 preparation method is secondary to the fact that they come
 away with a deeper understanding of the vital role soil microbes 
 play in the formation of the clay-humus crumb, and how they can 
 manage their soils to increase this effect.  
 
 For example, the Luebkes improved a clay soil on their farm
 from 2% O.M. to 15% O.M. in a ten year period using humus 
 management techniques. 
 
 Most interesting to me as a farm advisor and sanet
 participant, are the soil health evaluation procedures the
 Luebkes employ.  These include percent O.M., the colorimetric 
 humus test, the circular chromatography test, and the buffered
 pH test.  
 
 One of these in particular, the colorimetric humus test,
 has merit for wider adoption, and indeed has already been 
 adopted by several commercial soils labs in the U.S. after
 it was re-introduced by the Luebkes.  In fact, this method 
 was developed in the U.S. decades ago but fell out of usage.  
 
 The colorimetric humus test is done by extracting a soil or
 compost sample with a weal alkali solution (sodium
 hydroxide), filtering the solute, and then comparing the
 color of the extract against a colorimetric scale of 
 standardized liquid-filled test tubes.  The result is a 
 relative number from 0-100.  
 
 The idea behind this test is that it gives an indication of
 the degree and amount to which organic matter in soil has 
 entered a humified state.  When the humus number is compared 
 against percent O.M., it provides a ratio that can be evaluated.
 Ideally, the ratio will be 1 part O.M. to 3 parts humus.
 Too little or too high humus readings provide an indication
 of a soil out of balance.  
 
 This test is especially insightful in combination with 
 the chroma and buffered pH test.  In one instance, 
 it was apparent the soil was constipated...plenty of soil 
 humus, but no microbial activity to make the goodies available 
 through mineralization. 

 At the very least, it demonstrates that sustainable 
 farmers are getting useful information about the condition
 of their soils via other methods of soil evaluation in
 addition to or as an alternative to standard university soils 
 tests.  
 
 So, McNelly, you have a good point and I think farmers,
 landgrant workers, and s.a. advocates should be thinking about 
 humus.  That's why I've summarized these few ideas and
 post them here for others to 'mull' over.   :-)   
 
 Steve Diver
 steved@ncatfyv.uark.edu
  
  
 Jim McNelly wrote:
 
 > After a long and informative note on Naturfarm, I was surprised to find 
 > no reference concerning the organic matter concentration in the soil. 
 > Is this typical of many of the new generation of sustainable farmers?
 >
 > Forage and dairy farmers I have met at sustainable ag conferences speak 
 > longingly about organic matter levels, and how to import organics from 
 > off farm to build up soils to native levels around 7% humus, or at least 
 > to a more sustainable level around 3% to 5%,
 > 
 > If I read many of the early proponents of both organic and sustainable 
 > farming correctly, compost, humus, and natural ecosystems were stressed 
 > over other influences such as pest control, disease suppression, 
 > watering and so forth. The (older?) model held that if the soil was 
 > improved, other values would follow. Perhaps it is just me, but does it 
 > not seem that more and more farmers on the sustainable front are talking 
 > about companion planting, beneficial insects, designer microbes, drip 
 > irrigation and other techniques.
 
 .....................Stuff Deleted................................
 
 > This is not to put down such practices, but more to make the observation 
 > that these efforts might be considered to be a substitute for humus and 
 > organic matter.
 >
 > Does anyone else think that organic matter levels in the soil are being 
 > neglected in much of the sustainable agriculture discussion? 
 > 
 > Mr Compost~~~
 > Affordable In-vessel Composting
 > PO Box 7444
 > Saint Cloud, MN 56302
 > 
 > Jim~ McNelly
 > jim.mcnelly@granite.mn.org
 > 
 > 
 >  * RM 1.3 02460 * A bird in the hand craps on the wrist.
 > 
 > ------------------============<>=============-----------------
 >    Granite City Connection (612) 654-8372 28.8K 3 Lines
 >    Email: jim.mcnelly@granite.mn.org (Jim Mcnelly)
 > ------------------============<>=============-----------------
  

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To: london@sunSITE.unc.edu
Subject: Permaculture Course Announcement
 
La Tierra Community Presents

Permaculture Design & Certification Course
with Bill Mollison & Scott Pittman 

May  20th - June 3rd
About The Course:
yIn making the transition toward a sustainable society it is imperative 
that we 
take resposibility for our own lives and meet our basic needs for food, 
shelter, energy, gainful employment and supportive community. The purpose of 
this course is to offer you practical training in Permaculture design 
practices so you can understand the application of theses methods and skills 
to the benefit of your home property as well as the local community. The couse 
is structured to give you an intensive overview of permaculture design 
methodololgy. There will be time spent both in the classroom and in the field 
with hands on experience. Certification-upon completion of the course, you 
will be certified as Permaculture Design Trainees, and entitled to use the 
term "Permaculture" in pursuit of a livelihood and for educational purposes.

Course Topics Include: (but are not limited to)
Permaculture Philosophy and Ethics
Permaculture Principals and Design Methodology	
Principals of Natural Systems
Reading the Landscape/Site Analysis	
Water in the Landscape
Soil Building, Erosion Control	 
Village Design & Gardening Techniques
Building Design, Shelters and Energy Conservation
Pond Design
Orchard Management
Plant Guilds
Pest Management

Who Should Take This Course?
Homeowners, backyard gardeners, educators, landscapers, farmers, architects, 
bioregionalists, city planners, foresters, reclamation specialists, 
ecologists, neghborhood organizers-- in short anyone interested in sustainable 
living practices. (Permaculture applies to any scale of propery, from urban 
dwellers with a patio to farmers with large acreage)
The Certification course is essential (in fact required) for anyone who 
desires to be a Permaculture instructor, Permaculture design consultant, or 
use the name Permaculture in their work. 

Instructors:
Bill Mollison, author and founder of Permaculture, has given hundreds of 
lectures and design courses to over 10,000 people worldwide. Bill was the 
recipient of the 1981 Right Livelihood Award in Stockholm, led a a four part 
1991 ABC series called the Global Gardener and was named the Outstanding 
Australian Achiever in 1993.

Scott Pittman , international lecturer, permaculture consultant and one of the 
leading teachers of permaculture in the United States, was founder and 
director of Permaculture Drylands Institute. He has been teaching for 10 years 
and co-teaching with Bill Mollison for the last 5 years. He is recipient of 
the Permaculture Community Service award for "his outstanding contributution 
in raising community awareness on ecological issues through his design, 
teaching and writing."  


Permaculture
(Permanent Agriculture) is the conscious design and maintenance of cultivated 
ecosystems which have the diversity, stability and resilience of natural 
ecosystems. It is the harmonious integration of la of landscape, people and 
appropriate technologies, providing food, shelter, energy and other needs in a 
sustainable way. Permaculture is a philosophy and an approach to land use 
which works with nature's rhythms and patterns, weaving together the elements 
of microclimate, annual and perennial plants, animals, water and soil 
management, and human needs into intricately connected and productive 
communities.

Certification
Upon completion of this Design Course you will be certified as Permaculture 
Designer Trainees and after two years of experience will be eligible for a 
Diploma of Aplplied Permaculture Design awarded at an international 
Permaculture Convergence. You will also be entiltled to use the term 
"Permaculture" in pursuit of livelihood and for educational purposes.

Course Location
La Tierra Community, is an intentional co-housing community on 15 beautiful 
acres with organic orchards, gardens, wetlands, and a year round creek near 
Sebastopol, CA. (one hour north of San Francisco). La Tierra is also a 
Non-Profit educational organization that has recently become a Permaculture 
training site which will be offering various courses and discussion groups on 
Permaculture, and other related topics in the future. 

Cost:   $750  for the complete two week course, all meals, camping or tent 
dormatory included. $800 after May 1, 1195.            
            
There is also an early payment discount for full prepayment before March 1, 
Cost: $700

For Information Call: (707) 829-8191

Pre-Registration is Required: Please send a $200 deposit ($50 non refundable) 
to reserve a place by April 20th
Make Check Payable to: La Tierra 

Send to: La Tierra Community, 708 gravenstein Hwy. N #120, Sebastopol, CA 
95472
Upon receipt of your deposit all participants will be sent a course 
information packet, which will include directions to the course location, what 
to bring, suggested reading and other pertinent information.

Registration Form:  Permaculture Design & Certification Course
Name:

Address:

City: 

State:                    Zipcode:

Home Phone:
                                             
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$200 Deposit postmarked by April 20th (balance due of $550 May 1, or	$750 
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The following is a message I am posting for some friends.  Please contact 
them if you are interested in these courses.  They have more detailed 
information available.  In addition, I will send another post in a couple 
weeks, with more information.  Please pass this along to any person or 
organization you think might benefit from such a course.  These people 
have been at this for some time, and my experience with their other 
events has been very positive.


	CONTACT PERSONS:
	Ianto Evans or Michael Smith
	Zopilote Association
	Box 123, Cottage Grove, OR 97424
	Phone/FAX (503) 942-3021

Two Interconnected Courses in
ALTERNATIVE INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT

	July 1-13 1995,  near Eugene , Oregon USA
	August 6-19 1995 in the mountains of Tlaxala, central Mexico 

	After fifty years of Overseas Aid and International Development, 
the world's poor are worse off than ever.  Attempts by governments and 
large organizations to develop traditional societies by making industrial 
consumers of the richly cultured Southern nations have accelerated 
environmental destruction and social chaos everywhere.  We create new 
poverty with every dollar we spend.

	But one small private group has a unique record of success in an 
alternative style of international development, based on bringing 
together mixed groups of professionals from the North and South to share 
perspective, skills, experiences and solutions.  Zopilote Association is 
a collaborative of architects, foresters, sociologists, agronomists and 
ecologists from Europe, North and South America.  All members are expert 
teachers, extensively traveled and experienced in rural development.  The 
core group have worked together since the 1970s offering training in 
permaculture, sustainable forest management, organic food production, 
appropriate household technologies, land restoration and rural 
self-reliance.   Zopilote Association takes no government or 
institutional funding, yet has provided a decade of service in Latin 
America, run more than thirty sustainable development courses, given 
hundreds of scholarships to Latin Americans, and influenced major shifts 
in national policies.

	In July of 1995, Zopilote will add an international course in the 
US.  We will bring skilled Latin Americans to Oregon to help us learn 
from their traditional systems of agriculture, land care and community 
life.  Then, in August we will take a dozen selected US/Europeans to 
Mexico and expose them to everyday realities by living and working 
closely with Latin Americans and Native Americans.  Both courses include 
keynote talks by international specialists and lots of field trips.  We 
emphasize hands-on learning, exploring the cooperative relationship of 
humans to our environment which we must develop if we are to survive the 
21st Century.  Specific topics include:  ecological food production, 
permaculture, erosion control, drought management, sustainable forest 
management, regenerative agroforestry, strategies for strengthening 
family and community, natural building and appropriate household 
technologies.  Both courses will be taught and translated in English and 
Spanish.

	The cost of the Oregon course is $750, Mexico $1150, both $1750, 
including tuition, all meals, rustic accommodations and field trips, but 
not travel to and from the site.  A $200 deposit ensures a place.  10% 
discount for 60-day advance payment, 10% surcharge for any payment mailed 
within 15 days of the course.  Some scholarships are available for Latin 
Americans, Africans and Asians, but we cannot cover transportation costs.

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>Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 19:23:38 -0800 (PST)
>>From: Georgann K. Cunney <curious@aimnet.com>
>To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
>Subject: Biodynamic Farming Info?

>Howdy,

>I'm new to this newsgroup. I'm interested in learning about Rudolf Steiner's,
>Biodynamic Farming.  Can any one tell me what it is about and its basic
>principles? Who is practicing it, in what ways and where?

>I would like to know web sites for any information about this, and also
>sustainable agriculture.

>Thanks 

>(eagerly waiting)

>Georgann   curious@aimnet.com

 
BIODYNAQMICS,IN A FEW WORDS, IS ABOUT UTALIZING THE PRINCIPLES OF THE 
DYNAMIC LIFE FORCE ENERGY, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE MOON, THE STARS, AND 
ELEMENTS INTRINSIC TO EARTH: WATER, SOIL, AIR AND ALL LIFE FORMS. AN 
EXCELLENT RESOURCE WOULD BE THE FOLKS AT MOTHER FLIGHT FARM NEAR 
MT.VERNON, WHO PRACTICE BIODYNAMIC AGRICULTURE ON THEIR 11 ACRE ORGANIC 
FARM, AS WELL AS PREPARE A COMPOSTED SOIL PREPARATION,WHICH FEEDS THE 
SOIL BACTERIUM, ET AL, CALLED "MIGHTY MICROBE" CAN CALL GLEN OR CHARLOTTE 
JOHNSON FOR INFORMATION @ (360) 445-5006. ISN'T THAT ENOUGH!?

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Hi,
My name is Mike Smith and I am the editor of several environment newsletters
in Australia (full list of other functions at end of this message).  The






purpose of this document is to introduce myself, ask a whole lot of questions
that I am desperate for answers on and find out if people are aware of the
Permaculture concept and if there is any interest in setting up a list for
this topic.  Permaculture is described below in more detail.

I am new to the net, and I only have EMail access.  This makes it hard to find
out about discussion lists, so I don't know of any Permaculture lists that may
exist already, so:

Q1.  Does anybody know of any Permaculture lists.  If so please reply to
     <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

I am in the process of finding out about lists on topics that relate to
Permaculture which is a very wide field.  Instead of trying to give an
exhaustive list of subject areas, here are some fields I am interested in:

    The Environment          Ecology                   Sustainable Agriculture
    Community Building       Project Finance           Ongoing Projects
    Community Aid            Sustainability            Self-help
    Community Forestry       Bio-regionalism           LETS
    Organics                 Healthy Cities            Alternative Economics
    Enviro Ethics            Agric. History            Urban Planning
    Waste Management         Recycling                 Energy
    Enviro Education         Water Purification        Economic Regionalism
    Population Growth        Landscape Architec        Town Planning
    Enviro Investment        Food Production           Enviro Contamination
    Green Business           Legislative Inititives

If you can post this message on an appropriate forum or discussion list I will
be grateful.
__________________________
Permaculture - What is it?

The sad reality is that we are in danger of perishing from our own stupidity
and lack of personal responsibility to life.  If we become extinct because of
factors beyond our control, then we can at least die with pride in ourselves,
but to create a mess in which we perish by our own inaction makes nonsense of
our claims to consciousness and morality.

Permaculture (permanent agriculture) is the concious design and maintenance of
agriculturally productive ecosystems which have the diversity, stability, and
resilience of natural ecosystems.  It is the harmonious integration of
landscape and people providing their food, energy, shelter, and other material
and non-material needs in an ecologically sustainable way.  The concept can be
applied to a balcony garden, an urban backyard, community gardens or even
broadacre farming.

The philosophy behind permaculture is one of working with, rather than against
nature; of protracted and thoughtful observation rather that protracted and
thoughtless action; of looking at systems in all their functions, rather than
asking only one yield of them; and of allowing systems to demonstrate their
own evolutions.

The permaculture movement has no central structure, but rather a strong sense
of shared work.  Everybody is free to act as an individual, to form a small
group, or to work within any other organisation.  We cooperate with many other
groups with diverse beliefs.  Our approach includes good practices from many
disciplines and systems, and offers them as an integrated whole.

The concept was first developed in 1974 by Bill Mollison and David Holmgren in






Tasmania, Australia.  There are now groups in over eighty countries connected
by an association based upon education, sharing information and providing
tangible assistance.  Many books have been published on this subject, ranging
in size and detail from the main text "Designer's Manual" (576 pages), to small
booklets.

Enlightened self-interest leads us to evolve ethics of sustainable and
sensible behaviour.  These then are the ethics expressed in permaculture.
Having evolved ethics, we can devise ways to apply them to our lives,
economies, gardens, land and nature.  This is what permaculture is about: the
mechanisms of mature ethical behaviour, or how to act to sustain the earth.

Q3.  Are people interested in a Net Permaculture Journal.  Something you can
     subscribe to or which might be sent out to existing lists on a regular
     basis?  Please reply to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

I offered to start one up last year but committments made this impossible.  My
apologies to those who expressed interest.

Q4.  Would anybody be interested in colaborating on a project to produce a
     Network Permaculture Journal.  Perhaps by forming an international
     editorial group to work on it.  Please reply to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>


Regards,

Mike SMith

My Hat Collection:
   Convenor, Permaculture ACT (PACT) - ACT=Australian Capital Territory
   Editor, The Mulch (Monthly Journal of Permaculture ACT), hardcopy
   Editor, Net Permaculture Newsletter (??? project being initiated???)
   Treasurer, Australian Centre for Ecologically Sustainable Systems (ACESS)
   National E-Mail Administrator, Health Insurance Commission, Australia

You can contact me on:
   Internet........auhicmds@ibmmail.com
   X.400...........G=Mike S=Smith P=ausgovhic A=ibmx400 C=au
   Snail Mail......10/6 Antis St, Phillip  ACT  2606, Australia
   Pager...........+ 61 6 269 0425
   Voice...........+ 61 6 203 6040
   Home............+ 61 6 285 2786
_____________________________________________________________________________
       If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem
___________________________________ the end _________________________________

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Hi,

My name is Rob Squires, I am a student at Salford University (U.K.), studying
environmental science. I have been involved in Permaculture for quite some time
now and am heavily involved in the development of LETSystems.

I have rescently initiated the Salford University LETSystems Registry,

URL http://www.u-net.com/gmlets/sulets/home.html

I am keen to partake in some kind of joint venture, international, virtual,
permaculture journal and have the capacity and contacts to account for an
international permaculture LETSystem specifically for people wanting material
on the Web.

I am also interested in material related to back yard/garden organic fruit and
veg growing, food distribution as opposed to everyone go to the shop and
community based recycling schemes.

Yours,

 Rob Squires
 E:Mail R.K.Squires@Chemistry.Salford.ac.uk

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Hi,
My name is Mike Smith and I am the editor of several environment newsletters
in Australia (full list of other functions at end of this message).  The






purpose of this document is to introduce myself, ask a whole lot of questions
that I am desperate for answers on and find out if people are aware of the
Permaculture concept and if there is any interest in setting up a list for
this topic.  Permaculture is described below in more detail.

I am new to the net, and I only have EMail access.  This makes it hard to find
out about discussion lists, so I don't know of any Permaculture lists that may
exist already, so:

Q1.  Does anybody know of any Permaculture lists.  If so please reply to
     <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

I am in the process of finding out about lists on topics that relate to
Permaculture which is a very wide field.  Instead of trying to give an
exhaustive list of subject areas, here are some fields I am interested in:

    The Environment          Ecology                   Sustainable Agriculture
    Community Building       Project Finance           Ongoing Projects
    Community Aid            Sustainability            Self-help
    Community Forestry       Bio-regionalism           LETS
    Organics                 Healthy Cities            Alternative Economics
    Enviro Ethics            Agric. History            Urban Planning
    Waste Management         Recycling                 Energy
    Enviro Education         Water Purification        Economic Regionalism
    Population Growth        Landscape Architec        Town Planning
    Enviro Investment        Food Production           Enviro Contamination
    Green Business           Legislative Inititives

If you can post this message on an appropriate forum or discussion list I will
be grateful.
__________________________
Permaculture - What is it?

The sad reality is that we are in danger of perishing from our own stupidity
and lack of personal responsibility to life.  If we become extinct because of
factors beyond our control, then we can at least die with pride in ourselves,
but to create a mess in which we perish by our own inaction makes nonsense of
our claims to consciousness and morality.

Permaculture (permanent agriculture) is the concious design and maintenance of
agriculturally productive ecosystems which have the diversity, stability, and
resilience of natural ecosystems.  It is the harmonious integration of
landscape and people providing their food, energy, shelter, and other material
and non-material needs in an ecologically sustainable way.  The concept can be
applied to a balcony garden, an urban backyard, community gardens or even
broadacre farming.

The philosophy behind permaculture is one of working with, rather than against
nature; of protracted and thoughtful observation rather that protracted and
thoughtless action; of looking at systems in all their functions, rather than
asking only one yield of them; and of allowing systems to demonstrate their
own evolutions.

The permaculture movement has no central structure, but rather a strong sense
of shared work.  Everybody is free to act as an individual, to form a small
group, or to work within any other organisation.  We cooperate with many other
groups with diverse beliefs.  Our approach includes good practices from many
disciplines and systems, and offers them as an integrated whole.

The concept was first developed in 1974 by Bill Mollison and David Holmgren in






Tasmania, Australia.  There are now groups in over eighty countries connected
by an association based upon education, sharing information and providing
tangible assistance.  Many books have been published on this subject, ranging
in size and detail from the main text "Designer's Manual" (576 pages), to small
booklets.

Enlightened self-interest leads us to evolve ethics of sustainable and
sensible behaviour.  These then are the ethics expressed in permaculture.
Having evolved ethics, we can devise ways to apply them to our lives,
economies, gardens, land and nature.  This is what permaculture is about: the
mechanisms of mature ethical behaviour, or how to act to sustain the earth.

Q3.  Are people interested in a Net Permaculture Journal.  Something you can
     subscribe to or which might be sent out to existing lists on a regular
     basis?  Please reply to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

I offered to start one up last year but committments made this impossible.  My
apologies to those who expressed interest.

Q4.  Would anybody be interested in colaborating on a project to produce a
     Network Permaculture Journal.  Perhaps by forming an international
     editorial group to work on it.  Please reply to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>


Regards,

Mike SMith

My Hat Collection:
   Convenor, Permaculture ACT (PACT) - ACT=Australian Capital Territory
   Editor, The Mulch (Monthly Journal of Permaculture ACT), hardcopy
   Editor, Net Permaculture Newsletter (??? project being initiated???)
   Treasurer, Australian Centre for Ecologically Sustainable Systems (ACESS)
   National E-Mail Administrator, Health Insurance Commission, Australia

You can contact me on:
   Internet........auhicmds@ibmmail.com
   X.400...........G=Mike S=Smith P=ausgovhic A=ibmx400 C=au
   Snail Mail......10/6 Antis St, Phillip  ACT  2606, Australia
   Pager...........+ 61 6 269 0425
   Voice...........+ 61 6 203 6040
   Home............+ 61 6 285 2786
_____________________________________________________________________________
       If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem
___________________________________ the end _________________________________
Mike Smith, Permaculture, Discussion Lists & Net Perma. Jour


From @oveja.u-net.com:landsman-lcs@u-net.com  Mon Mar 27 18:18:51 1995
Date: 	Tue, 28 Mar 1995 00:24:51 -0000
From: landsman@LCS.U-NET.com (Nigel Stewart)
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I'm involved with LETSgo Manchester, a project to develop city and regional
scale LETSystems [pleural] as well as many community and affinity systems.
We expect people to trade using their own set of perhaps 6 LETSystems out of
the several hundred or thousand active in any region. There's a lot of info
at the URL in my sig file.

I'm also active in "The Missing Link", a "meta-conversation" and a
partnership to author Web pages and to introduce people, businesses and
not-for-profit orgs to the Internet, especially the Web and email...basic
skills  and access for all. "Virtual Manchester" appears on the Web as in my
sig file. There's a long way to go but the many interested contacts that
we've made that don't YET feature bode well. Drop in from time to time and
see how we're doing. We hope that the development of the business sector and
some community groups will start the ball rolling for all. It's very early
days yet.

With Web and LETSystems as communication, information and exchange resource
bases we all should be able to know what we're doing in the environment and
be able to afford to do something about it and see the results. A necessary
prerequisite for the development of a sustainable way of living. More on
this if you want it.

Nigel Stewart.

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Subject: SAN CALENDAR: March, 1995

CALENDAR OF SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE EVENTS 
SARE/ACE CALENDAR FOR FY 1995
Sponsored by the Sustainable Agriculture Network  
* Events added since last edition

March 21-22, 1995
April 1-14, 1995
*Event:   Third Annual Permaculture Design Course
Place:    Heartwood Institute, Garberville, CA
Contact:  Donna King, Island Mountain Institute.  Phone:          
          (707) 923-4301

April 8-9, 1995
*Event:   "Creating Your Natural Edible Landscape and Gardens" (a
          permaculture workshop)
Place:    Glen Rock, PA
Contact:  Spoutwood Farm, Dept. P1, Rd. 3, Box 66, Glen Rock, Pa 
          17327.  Phone (717) 235-6610

April 21-May 4, 1995
*Event:   Permaculture Design Course
Place:    Fossil Rim Wildlife Center, Glen Rose, TX
Contact:  Fossil Rim, P.O. Box 2189, Glen Rose, TX 76043.  Phone: 
          (817) 897-2960

April 29-30, 1995
*Event:   Beginning Organic and Biodynamic Gardening Workshop
Place:    Michael Fields Agricultural Institute, W2493 County
          Road ES, East Troy, WI  53120
Contact:  Gail Kahovic at MFAI.  Phone:  (414) 642-3303


May 20-June 3, 1995
*Event:   Permaculture Certification Course (with Bill Mollison
          and Scott Pittman)
Place:    La Tierra Community, Sebastopol, CA
Contact:  La Tierra, 708 Gravenstein Hwy. N., #120, Sebastopol,
          CA  95472.  Phone:  (707) 829-8191.  E-mail:
          vitaltec@nbn.com

June 19-30, 1995
Event:    An International Training Program in New Crops:        
          Aromatic and Medicinal Plants
Place:    Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
Contact:  Tom Robertson, ATTN:  International Training Program in
          Aromatic and Medicinal Plants, Continuing Education,   
          Purdue University, 1586 Stewart Center, West Lafayette,
          IN  47907-1586.   Phone:  (317) 494-7220.  
          FAX:  (317) 494-0567.


July 2-16, 1995
Event:    Permaculture Design Course:  A two-week intensive in
          sustainable systems design
Place:    Shades of Harmony Farm, Kingston, Nova Scotia     
Contact:  Institute for Bioregional Studies, 449 University Ave.,
          Suite 126, Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada
          C1A 8K3.  Phone:  (902) 892-9578. Or  Michael Pilarski
          c/o Friends of the Trees Society PO Box 1064 Tonasket,
          Washington 98855. Phone/FAX: (509) 485-2705

July 6-20, 1995
Event:    A two-week intensive in sustainable systems design
Place:    Shades of Harmony Farm, Kingston, Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:  For more information send $5.00 to the Institute for   
          Bioregional Studies, 449 University Ave., Suite 126,   
          Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada C1A 8K3.   
          (902) 892-9578

July 20-24, 1995
Event:    "Restoration Ecology:  Reconstructing Sustainable
          Communities"  
Place:    Shades of Harmony Farm, Kingston, Nova Scotia     
Contact:  Institute for Bioregional Studies, 449 University Ave.,
          Suite 126, Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada
          C1A 8K3. 
          Phone:  (902) 892-9578. Or  Michael Pilarski c/o
          Friends of the Trees Society PO Box 1064          
          Tonasket, Washington 98855. Phone/FAX: (509) 485-2705

July 22-28, 1995.
Event:    Fuzzyness, Agriculture and Environment.  This is a good
          opportunity for fuzzy people interested in environment
          and agriculture subjects, to meet and to exchange      
          ideas.  We are interested in organizing special        
          sessions on both environment and agriculture. If you
          are working on these subjects, you are invited to
          submit, by e-mail, a small abstract of your work.
Contact:  Marcelo T. Rochae, E-mail: matrocha@carpa.ciagri.usp.br
          Further information about IFSA'95 may be obtained at  
          the Internet address:                   
          //http/www.inpe.br/meetings/IFSA95/home.

July 23-29, 1995 
*Event:   The First International Conference on Multiple          
          Objective Decision Support Systems for Land, Water, and
          Environmental Management:  Concepts, Approaches and    
          Applications
Place:    The East West Center on the University of Hawaii's 
          campus Honolulu, Hawaii    
Contact:  Email:  AGRSS@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu.  
          FAX: 808-956-6539.   Include your mailing address.
Sponsors: Organizers include the World Association of Soil and   
          Water Conservation (Pacific Region), the International
          Society on Multiple Criteria Decision 
          Making, the Soil and Water Conservation Society, the   
          East West Center, the Agricultural Research Service and
          Forest Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture,  
          and the University of Hawaii.

July 23-26, 1995
*Event:   The Fourth North American Agroforestry Conference:
          "Growing a Sustainable Future"
Place:    Red Lion Inn - Riverside, 2900 Chinden Blvd., Boise, ID 
          83714
Contact:  Dr. John Ehrenreich, Conference Chairman,  College of
          Forestry, Wildlife and Range Sciences, Washington State
          University, Pullman, WA  99164-6410.  Phone: (208) 885-
          7600,  FAX: (208) 885-6226.


July 27-30, 1995
*Event:    HERBS '95 
Place:    Chicago, IL
Contact:  IHA HERBS  95 Program Committee, 1202 Allanson Road, 
          Mundelein, IL  60060. FAX:  (708) 566-4580
Sponsor:  International Herb Association

July 28-30, 1995
Event:   "Coming Home:  Awakening Community Resourcefulness" 
Place:    Shades of Harmony Farm, Kingston, 
          Nova Scotia    
Contact:  Institute for Bioregional Studies, 449 University Ave.,
          Suite 126, Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada
          C1A 8K3.  Phone:  (902) 892-9578. Or  Michael Pilarski
          c/o Friends of the Trees Society PO Box 1064 Tonasket,
          Washington 98855.  Phone/FAX: (509) 485-2705.

August 11-13, 1995
*Event:   NOFA 21st Annual Summer Conference, "Organic Farming:
          Rooted in the Dirt".
Place:    Hampshire College, Amherst, MA
Contact:  Julie Rawson, 411 Sheldon Road, Barre, MA  01005. 
          Phone:  (508) 355-2853
Sponsor:  Northeast Organic Farming Association (NOFA)

August 12, 1995
*Event:   PASA Summer Harvest Festival (Pennsylvania Association
          for Sustainable Agriculture)
Place:    Walnut Acres Organic Farms, Penns Creek, PA
Contact:  PASA, Box 419, Millheim, PA 16854.  Phone: (814) 349-
          9856

October 14-15, 1995
Event:    The Future Harvest Festival:  A sustainable
          agriculture/sustainable living fair
Place:    Carroll County Fairgrounds, Westminister, MD
Contact:  Marty Rice, Festival Coordinator, Maryland Organic Food
          and Farming Association. Phone:  (301) 371-4814,        
          FAX:  (301) 371-8923.


________________________________________________________________
If you would like us to include your events please send the event
name, place, contact, and sponsor, to Alternative Farming Systems
Information Center, ATTN: SAN Calendar, Room 304, National
Agricultural Library, 10301 Baltimore Boulevard, Beltsville,
Maryland 20705-2351.  FAX: (301) 504-6409. 
INTERNET:   san@nalusda.gov                                   
  

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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 07:33:27 +1200
>From: Valerie Cowperthwaite <Valerie@stuart.ak.planet.co.nz>
To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Biodynamic Farming Info?


In article , jhaskett@asrr.arsusda.gov writes:
> 
> 
> I concur with the earlier posting that suggested the article
> "Biological Dynamic Farming - An Occult Form of Alternative 
Agriculture."
> H. Kirchmann, Journal of Agricultural and Environmental Ethics 1994, 
7(2)
> 17 3-187. The abstract states in part:
> 
> "...(Steiner's) instructions were based on insights and inner 
visions
> from spiritualistic exercises and not on agricultural 
experiments...
> many of his statements are not provable simply because 
scientifically
> clear hypotheses cannot be made as his descriptions were unclear and 

> not stringent. Those predictions that can be tested scientifically 
have
> been found to be incorrect. It was concluded (in the article) that
> Steiner's instructions are occult and dogmatic and cannot 
contribute
> to the development of alternative or sustainable agriculture."
> 
> Jonathan Haskett
> 
What a pity the author of this article did not do some up-to-date 
research.  Here in New Zealand many farmers are farming 
biodynamically.  They are successful and sustainable. The farm I am 
involved with of 1,000 acres  supports sheep, beef cattle and is 
involved in building up a sizeable dairy herd as a source for its 
planned milk products programme. They also run small scale pig and 
poultry operations, plus grazing for race and show horses.  Commerical 
vegetable growing and an extensive tree raising and planting programme 
are also included.

Other farmers are contributing in the areas of dairying particularly 
and biodynamic growers are successfully holding their own in citrus 
and avocado growing to name just the higher profile areas.  One of our 
leading winemakers who consistently wins international gold medals 
also grows his grapes biodynamically.

Pfeiffer's early work on microbes and composts gives the lie to the 
statement that there is no scientific basis for biodynamics as does 
the paper in Science April 1993 by Reganold et al showing the 
sustainability of biodynamics especially with regard to soil 
conservation.

Our farm has also been the site of various other scientific 
investigations including work on the dung beetle, blow flies and fish 
farming - we have a unique mullet farm.

I would not point anyone to Steiner's works as an introduction.  The 
Biodynamic Farm by H.H. Koepf and the Coming Revolution in Agriculture 
by Dr Harold Willis offer more practical perspectives on biodynamic 
farming - there is some controversy in bd circles over Willis' view.   
Soper's book on gardening is also, as I remember, relatively free of 
the mystic elements.

Kirchmann's conclusion reminds of a MAF scientist critical of 
biodynamics who featured in a TV programme on this topic - "Yes, well 
we see that it DOES work, but we don't see why it SHOULD work."  So 
therefore it is dismissed!

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>From: Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup) <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: local food securtiy & the concept of a "foodshed" (fwd)

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>From: tjakin@pssci.umass.edu
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Subject: local food securtiy & the concept of a "foodshed"

Fred Kirschenmann, an organic grain farmer from North Dakota, spoke
this past week at a Northeast Region SARE Ch. 3-sponsored
conference on sustainable agriculture.  He touched on the subject
of local agriculture, local food security and the concept of a
"foodshed" (conceptual equivalent of a watershed).  Could someone
point out further reading on the "foodshed" concept?

I would appreciate examples of projects that have increased
consumer awareness of the importance and benefits of local/regional
food production?  What's the best way for the getting the message
out?

Thanks in advance,

Tom Akin

Thomas Akin
Extension Specialist
Plant & Soil Science Dept.
Bowditch Hal Box 30910
University of Massachusetts        TEL:  (413) 545-5236
Amherst, MA 01003-0910             FAX:  (413) 545-0260     

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On Fri, 31 Mar 1995 tjakin@pssci.umass.edu wrote:

> Fred Kirschenmann, an organic grain farmer from North Dakota, spoke
> this past week at a Northeast Region SARE Ch. 3-sponsored
> conference on sustainable agriculture.  He touched on the subject
> of local agriculture, local food security and the concept of a
> "foodshed" (conceptual equivalent of a watershed).  Could someone
> point out further reading on the "foodshed" concept?

Tom,

Arthur Getz wrote a short article on this topic in the Oct, 1991 
Permaculture Activist #24 (pages 26-7).  
It might be of interest to subscribe to the new group on direct marketing 
also:
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>    subscribe direct-mkt

Good luck,

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>From: mkalish@ficus.psych.indiana.edu (Mike Kalish)
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Subject: Permaculture Perth
Date: 31 Mar 1995 16:48:55 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Hi.  I'm moving to Perth this July, and I'd like to get in touch with
local alternative/sustainable housing/horticulture types.  I was told
there is a 'permaculture perth' organization, which might or might not
exist.  If it does, and someone knows how to get in touch with them
(especially with a fellow called 'Digger' who does straw bale
construction), I'd appreciate any leads.
Thanks,
  Mike Kalish 			   
  Dept. of Psychology    internet: mkalish@indiana.edu 
  Indiana University            office: (812) 855-8694 
  Bloomington, IN 47405-1301       lab: (812) 855-9613 
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    Local Food Security:
    Foodsheds and Food Circles  


    Submitted in four parts:
    The Foodshed and The Food Circle
    The Foodshed and The Food Circle, cont
    More local food security and food systems info and issues
    References and Resources



	


The foodshed and the food circle are two concepts gaining recognition as
models or conceptual frameworks for describing local food systems.

 The foodshed concept, most often attributed to Arthur Getz's in his 1991
Urban Foodsheds article in Permaculture Activist , uses the analogy of a
watershed to describe 'the area that is defined by a structure of supply'.
Getz used the image of a foodshed to answer the question of  "Where our food
is coming from  and how it is getting to us" and to picture how the local
and regional food supply system works.   Inherent in this concept, he
emphasized, was 'the suggestion of a need to protect a source, as well as
the need to know and understand its specific geographic and ecological
dimensions, condition and stability in order for it to be safeguarded and
enhanced.'       

Today the Madison, Wisconsin area Foodshed Working Group along with an
active coalition of food coops, csa associations, farmer's markets, producer
coops, bakeries and other food processors, a natural food warehouse/
distributor, UWMadison and other active participants is the best example 
of a local food system identifying with the foodshed concept.      

The Food Circle is a dynamic, community-based and regionally-integrated
food systems concept/model/vision. In effect, it is  a systems ecology.  In
contrast to the current linear producton-consumption system, The Food Circle
is a production-consumption-recycle model.   A celebration of cycles, this
model mirrors all natural systems and is based on the fact that all stable,
biological and other systems function as closed cycles or circles, carefully
preserving energy, nutrients, resources and the integrity of the whole.  

The graphic model is a wheel of concentric circles, illustrating how an
integrated  food system flows from  ag inputs and production through
consumption and waste recycling. Starting with the individual at the center
and moving outward through the family and community circles,this model shows
the food system and its parts work,   integrating  political, economic,
communication and other factors. For example, the CSA farmer in the
production sector is directly across the circle from the CSA consumer
members, showing the direct marketing relationship.    


end 1 of 4

Nancy Lee Bentley
The Food Circle
PO Box 3083
Champaign, IL 61826-3083      
(217) 586-3846
xx200@prairienet.org

For an info packet on The Food Circle, including
linear and food circle models and a reprint of 
EcoCity Journal's "An Introduction to The Food 
Circle, please send $7.95 to the address above.  


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Subject: Foodsheds and Food Circles - 1of4



    Local Food Security:
    Foodsheds and Food Circles  


    Submitted in four parts:
    The Foodshed and The Food Circle
    The Foodshed and The Food Circle, cont
    More local food security and food systems info and issues
    References and Resources



	


The foodshed and the food circle are two concepts gaining recognition as
models or conceptual frameworks for describing local food systems.

 The foodshed concept, most often attributed to Arthur Getz's in his 1991
Urban Foodsheds article in Permaculture Activist , uses the analogy of a
watershed to describe 'the area that is defined by a structure of supply'.
Getz used the image of a foodshed to answer the question of  "Where our food
is coming from  and how it is getting to us" and to picture how the local
and regional food supply system works.   Inherent in this concept, he
emphasized, was 'the suggestion of a need to protect a source, as well as
the need to know and understand its specific geographic and ecological
dimensions, condition and stability in order for it to be safeguarded and
enhanced.'       

Today the Madison, Wisconsin area Foodshed Working Group along with an
active coalition of food coops, csa associations, farmer's markets, producer
coops, bakeries and other food processors, a natural food warehouse/
distributor, UWMadison and other active participants is the best example 
of a local food system identifying with the foodshed concept.      

The Food Circle is a dynamic, community-based and regionally-integrated
food systems concept/model/vision. In effect, it is  a systems ecology.  In
contrast to the current linear producton-consumption system, The Food Circle
is a production-consumption-recycle model.   A celebration of cycles, this
model mirrors all natural systems and is based on the fact that all stable,
biological and other systems function as closed cycles or circles, carefully
preserving energy, nutrients, resources and the integrity of the whole.  

The graphic model is a wheel of concentric circles, illustrating how an
integrated  food system flows from  ag inputs and production through
consumption and waste recycling. Starting with the individual at the center
and moving outward through the family and community circles,this model shows
the food system and its parts work,   integrating  political, economic,
communication and other factors. For example, the CSA farmer in the
production sector is directly across the circle from the CSA consumer
members, showing the direct marketing relationship.    


end 1 of 4

Nancy Lee Bentley
The Food Circle
PO Box 3083
Champaign, IL 61826-3083      
(217) 586-3846
xx200@prairienet.org

For an info packet on The Food Circle, including
linear and food circle models and a reprint of 
EcoCity Journal's "An Introduction to The Food 
Circle, please send $7.95 to the address above.  


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>From: pferraro@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Inst. for Bioreg. Studies)
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  It is the objective of IBS to train participants to become 
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"Bioregional" perspective means that our focus is  on the 
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  Today we can not just, "Think  Globally and  Act Locally" We 
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founded to demonstrate the recent, ecologically oriented, scientific,   
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to  achieving  the   goal   of   an   ecological  society.

The Institute for Bioregional Studies 1995 Summer Programs 
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Our programs will be hosted at the spectacular Ovens Natural Park 
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~Permaculture Design Course~
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Hi, this is a post I have sent to several lists.  Please excuse the
generality of the text.

My name is Mike Smith and I am the editor of several environment newsletters
in Australia (full list of other functions at end of this message).  The
purpose of this document is to introduce myself, ask a whole lot of questions
that I am desperate for answers on and find out if people are aware of the
Permaculture concept and if there is any interest in setting up a list for
this topic.  Permaculture is described below in more detail.

NOTE:  If you respond to this message please send it to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>
       instead of doing a "reply" to <auhice4c@ibmmail.com> which is a
       seperate email address I use for subscribing to lists.  This way my
       "business" in-tray doesn't get swamped so I loose things I need to
       action.

I am new to the net, and I only have EMail access.  This makes it hard to find
out about discussion lists, so I don't know of any Permaculture lists that may
exist already, so:

Q1.  Does anybody know of any Permaculture lists.  If so please reply to
     <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

I am in the process of finding out about lists on topics that relate to
Permaculture which is a very wide field.  Instead of trying to give an
exhaustive list of subject areas, here are some fields I am interested in:

    The Environment          Ecology                   Sustainable Agriculture
    Community Building       Project Finance           Ongoing Projects
    Community Aid            Sustainability            Self-help
    Community Forestry       Bio-regionalism           LETS
    Organics                 Healthy Cities            Alternative Economics
    Enviro Ethics            Agric. History            Urban Planning
    Waste Management         Recycling                 Energy
    Enviro Education         Water Purification        Economic Regionalism
    Population Growth        Landscape Architec        Town Planning
    Enviro Investment        Food Production           Enviro Contamination
    Green Business           Legislative Inititives

If you can post this message on an appropriate forum or discussion list I will
be grateful.
__________________________
Permaculture - What is it?

The sad reality is that we are in danger of perishing from our own stupidity
and lack of personal responsibility to life.  If we become extinct because of
factors beyond our control, then we can at least die with pride in ourselves,
but to create a mess in which we perish by our own inaction makes nonsense of
our claims to consciousness and morality.

Permaculture, which was originally a contraction of permanent agriculture, has






now come to mean PERMAnent CULTURE.  It is difficult to define but is the
concious design of self-sustaining/low maintenance, agriculturally productive
ecosystems which have the diversity, stability, and resilience of natural
ecosystems.  It is the harmonious integration of landscape and people
providing their food, energy, shelter, and other material and non-material
needs in an ecologically sustainable way.  The concept can be applied to a
balcony garden, an urban backyard, community gardens or broadacre farming.  It
is possible to "permaculture" a village, town, city, catchment or an entire
country.

The philosophy behind permaculture is one of working with, rather than against
nature; of protracted and thoughtful observation rather than endless physical
effort; of looking at systems in all their functions, rather than asking only
one yield of them; and of allowing systems to demonstrate their own evolutions.

The permaculture movement has no rigid structure, but rather a strong sense
of shared work.  Everybody is free to act as an individual, to form a small
group, or to work within any other organisation.  We cooperate with many other
groups with diverse beliefs.  Our approach includes good practices from many
disciplines and systems, and offers them as an integrated whole.

The concept was first developed in 1974 by Bill Mollison and David Holmgren in
Tasmania, Australia.  There are now groups in over eighty countries connected
by an association based upon education, sharing information and providing
tangible assistance.  Many books have been published on this subject, ranging
in size and detail from the main text "Designer's Manual" (576 pages), to small
booklets.

Enlightened self-interest leads us to evolve ethics of sustainable and
sensible behaviour.  These then are the ethics expressed in permaculture.
Having evolved ethics, we can devise ways to apply them to our lives,
economies, gardens, land and nature.  This is what permaculture is about: the
mechanisms of mature ethical behaviour, or how to act to sustain the earth.

Q3.  Are people interested in a Net Permaculture Journal.  Something you can
     subscribe to or which might be sent out to existing lists on a regular
     basis?  Please reply to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

I offered to start one up last year but committments made this impossible.  My
apologies to those who expressed interest.

Q4.  Would anybody be interested in colaborating on a project to produce a
     Network Permaculture Journal.  Perhaps by forming an international
     editorial group to work on it.  Please reply to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

Regards

Mike D. Smith, Canberra, Australia.
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President, Permaculture ACT (Australian Capital Territiry, Canberra) - PACT.
Publisher, The Mulch, Monthly Journal of Permaculture ACT.
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You can contact me on:
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From: Warwick Rowell <warwick@bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
To: Tom Hodges <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
Subject: Local Food production

I will be interested to see the thinking on "foodsheds".

Perhaps the idea was first explored in any detail by Jane Jacobs
in her seminal book "Cities and the Wealth of Nations". Although
she was talking about much more than food, as well. Foodsheds may be
another name for bioregions? Certainly the focus of populations into 
communities would have started with basic foods, as much as scarce 
foods, such as salt, led to inter-regional trading, and commerce as 
such.

One of Permaculture's major tenets is that local production and 
use and recycling of all sorts of resources is a systematic way of 
building and maintaining a viable and durable culture. We focus on 
home and neighbourhood production, and then direct links to producers
of other needs, such as grains.

The "extension" aspect of Permaculture is focused around lifestyle 
and other changes at a more systematic level than just food. This 
holistic approach diffuses slowly but there is apparently not nearly 
as much "fad fadeout" as you see sometimes with narrower approaches.

Has anyone done/seen any work on the diffusion of lifetstyles?

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|                warwick.rowell@eepo.com.au                |
|                                                          |
|   Management Consultant     Permaculture Designer        |
|_"Helping Managers Learn"___"Helping Land Managers Learn"_|


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From: Warwick Rowell <warwick@bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu

"The linguistics is fun, mais une grande 'erring rouge!

The major point of interest here is examining systems to define the 
conditions where food starts moving one way rather than the other.

A colleague has suggested that the social catchment is at least as 
important as the geographical/physical one in determining landcare 
involvement.  

It could be as simple as the fact that there is a bootmaker in the 
town ten miles further away, that leads to the social habit of 
shopping there rather than closer to home, and so more suppliers set 
up there, and then the wholesaler, etc.

We're finding the reverse here in the SW of WA, where little country 
towns that were established a day's horse and cart ride apart have been 
diminishing in function and population ever since the car came on 
the scene. 

The resurgence of interest in homesteading and permaculture is 
perhaps their brightest light on the horizon for many years. 
Many resettlers are adopting the strategy of buying their lot in town, 
or on the edge, where the infrastructure (technical and social) is already 
established.

Barraba, about 80 kms north of Tamworth in NSW, went through a deliberate
renewal process, of canvassing town and hinterland people for the 
facility they most resented going to Tamworth for. They then cleaned
up one of vacant shops, and advertised for in fact a bootmaker/saddler.
They came; husband, wife, two kids. A class size was viable again, 
the teacher stayed, and so their little economy grew. This is a nice 
alternative to the "sellout" to big industry. The key is to focus on 
the really needed service. The hassle with many LETS schemes for 
instance is that so many of the services offered are discretionary 
or luxury items.  

One of the major factors in sensible food catchments is the incredible
subsidies, actual and implicit, we are paying for transport. At the
moment our neighbourhood's food catchment is the world - there is fruit
from Israel, Phillipines, California, South America, etc in our 
supermarket. Our expectations are unreal.

So the pragmatic task of meeting our food (and other) needs from as close 
to home as we possibly can is also a major ethical and environmental and 
economic stance we can pursue. This task underlies the academic exploration
of foodshed, food circle, food net, or whatever we want to call it.

Ethical: 
depriving our local community of resources needed for its growth in pursuit
of a slightly higher return is systematically stupid. 

Environmental: 
Waste, energy, stupid criteria for breeding (shelf life, handling 
ability) are all minimised.

Economic: 
Economic success is more and more being seen as influenced by the recycling
of financial resources in an area. Economists have come up with a new 
definition: resilience - the amount of local demand that is met by local 
production.


The permaculture concept of zoning would be relevant to anybody managing 
their food sources. As a permaculturist, I might design a system so: 

I can meet my need for basic herbs, salads and green vegetables 
within 10m of my back door. 

I can meet my need for staple vegetables within 50m of my back door.

I can meet my need for most seasonal fruit within my neighbourhood.

I can meet my need for small meat within 50m of my back door.

I can meet my need for larger meats and milk within 1 km of my back 
door. (usually by buying from someone else in the neighbourhood)

I can meet my occasional infrequent need for exotic herbs, spices, fruit
from the local shop.

I can meet my need for bulk grains through a CSA within x miles..

It goes further - "I will make the pragmatic, ethical decision that in 
general I will invest x% in the future of my locality by being prepared to 
pay that much more for anything I can buy cheaper elsewhere than in 
my local community."
 
Wx
--
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|                warwick.rowell@eepo.com.au                |
|      20 Onslow Rd Shenton Pk 6008 Western Australia      |
|   Management Consultant     Permaculture Designer        |
|_"Helping Managers Learn"___"Helping Land Managers Learn"_|


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To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
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To: Tom Hodges <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
Subject: Local Food production

I will be interested to see the thinking on "foodsheds".

Perhaps the idea was first explored in any detail by Jane Jacobs
in her seminal book "Cities and the Wealth of Nations". Although
she was talking about much more than food, as well. Foodsheds may be
another name for bioregions? Certainly the focus of populations into 
communities would have started with basic foods, as much as scarce 
foods, such as salt, led to inter-regional trading, and commerce as 
such.

One of Permaculture's major tenets is that local production and 
use and recycling of all sorts of resources is a systematic way of 
building and maintaining a viable and durable culture. We focus on 
home and neighbourhood production, and then direct links to producers
of other needs, such as grains.

The "extension" aspect of Permaculture is focused around lifestyle 
and other changes at a more systematic level than just food. This 
holistic approach diffuses slowly but there is apparently not nearly 
as much "fad fadeout" as you see sometimes with narrower approaches.

Has anyone done/seen any work on the diffusion of lifetstyles?

 __________________________________________________________
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|                                                          |
|   Management Consultant     Permaculture Designer        |
|_"Helping Managers Learn"___"Helping Land Managers Learn"_|


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>From: Warwick Rowell <warwick@bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu

"The linguistics is fun, mais une grande 'erring rouge!

The major point of interest here is examining systems to define the 
conditions where food starts moving one way rather than the other.

A colleague has suggested that the social catchment is at least as 
important as the geographical/physical one in determining landcare 
involvement.  

It could be as simple as the fact that there is a bootmaker in the 
town ten miles further away, that leads to the social habit of 
shopping there rather than closer to home, and so more suppliers set 
up there, and then the wholesaler, etc.

We're finding the reverse here in the SW of WA, where little country 
towns that were established a day's horse and cart ride apart have been 
diminishing in function and population ever since the car came on 
the scene. 

The resurgence of interest in homesteading and permaculture is 
perhaps their brightest light on the horizon for many years. 
Many resettlers are adopting the strategy of buying their lot in town, 
or on the edge, where the infrastructure (technical and social) is already 
established.

Barraba, about 80 kms north of Tamworth in NSW, went through a deliberate
renewal process, of canvassing town and hinterland people for the 
facility they most resented going to Tamworth for. They then cleaned
up one of vacant shops, and advertised for in fact a bootmaker/saddler.
They came; husband, wife, two kids. A class size was viable again, 
the teacher stayed, and so their little economy grew. This is a nice 
alternative to the "sellout" to big industry. The key is to focus on 
the really needed service. The hassle with many LETS schemes for 
instance is that so many of the services offered are discretionary 
or luxury items.  

One of the major factors in sensible food catchments is the incredible
subsidies, actual and implicit, we are paying for transport. At the
moment our neighbourhood's food catchment is the world - there is fruit
from Israel, Phillipines, California, South America, etc in our 
supermarket. Our expectations are unreal.

So the pragmatic task of meeting our food (and other) needs from as close 
to home as we possibly can is also a major ethical and environmental and 
economic stance we can pursue. This task underlies the academic exploration
of foodshed, food circle, food net, or whatever we want to call it.

Ethical: 
depriving our local community of resources needed for its growth in pursuit
of a slightly higher return is systematically stupid. 

Environmental: 
Waste, energy, stupid criteria for breeding (shelf life, handling 
ability) are all minimised.

Economic: 
Economic success is more and more being seen as influenced by the recycling
of financial resources in an area. Economists have come up with a new 
definition: resilience - the amount of local demand that is met by local 
production.


The permaculture concept of zoning would be relevant to anybody managing 
their food sources. As a permaculturist, I might design a system so: 

I can meet my need for basic herbs, salads and green vegetables 
within 10m of my back door. 

I can meet my need for staple vegetables within 50m of my back door.

I can meet my need for most seasonal fruit within my neighbourhood.

I can meet my need for small meat within 50m of my back door.

I can meet my need for larger meats and milk within 1 km of my back 
door. (usually by buying from someone else in the neighbourhood)

I can meet my occasional infrequent need for exotic herbs, spices, fruit
from the local shop.

I can meet my need for bulk grains through a CSA within x miles..

It goes further - "I will make the pragmatic, ethical decision that in 
general I will invest x% in the future of my locality by being prepared to 
pay that much more for anything I can buy cheaper elsewhere than in 
my local community."
 
Wx
--
 __________________________________________________________
|                warwick.rowell@eepo.com.au                |
|      20 Onslow Rd Shenton Pk 6008 Western Australia      |
|   Management Consultant     Permaculture Designer        |
|_"Helping Managers Learn"___"Helping Land Managers Learn"_|


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Mike,

If you mean Perth, Western Australia, then - Yes, there is an active
Permaculture group. The details are:

Permaculture Association of Western Australia (PAWA)
PO Box 430
SUBIACO  6008
Western Australia

Phone: +61 9 417 2274
Fax:   +61 9 295 4627

The association numbers in excess of 800 members and exists to promote
permaculture in W.A. via monthly meetings, field days, workshops, design
exercises, ...

I am only a fairly recent member, both to the Internet and PAWA, but you
might try contacting Ross Mars on the net (ross@eepo.com.au) as an active
and "old time" member.

Hope this helps; Kind regards

Angus King (angusking@acslink.net.au)

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>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 19:44 AWST
>>From: Angus King <angusking@acslink.net.au>
>To: mkalish@indiana.edu
>Subject: Permaculture Perth
>
>Mike,
>
>If you mean Perth, Western Australia, then - Yes, there is an active
>Permaculture group. The details are:
>
>Permaculture Association of Western Australia (PAWA)
>PO Box 430
>SUBIACO  6008
>Western Australia
>
>Phone: +61 9 417 2274
>Fax:   +61 9 295 4627
>
>The association numbers in excess of 800 members and exists to promote
>permaculture in W.A. via monthly meetings, field days, workshops, design
>exercises, ...
>
>I am only a fairly recent member, both to the Internet and PAWA, but you
>might try contacting Ross Mars on the net (ross@eepo.com.au) as an active
>and "old time" member.

Ross is also editor of our Bi-monthly news letter.

>Hope this helps; Kind regards
>
>Angus King (angusking@acslink.net.au)
>
Hi Yes your info is correct. Our total membership is in the order of
1500 members state wide.
I posted your letter to the EEPO list so that they might consider allowing
you to be included into the list.
I will get it put on the agenda of the next committee meeting.
  
Regards,
          Vic
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Here is an upcoming workshop/intensive for those interested in
Permaculutre.  It will be held on the Navajo/Hopi Reservation and is a
project of Indigenous People living on Reservation lands.   For more info
on this project and other issues concerning the environment and Indigenous
Peoples - check out URL http://www.teleport.com/~amt/PlanetPeace

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      Black Mesa Permaculture Project
     4th Annual Dryland Permaculture Intensive Design Course on the
     Navajo/Hopi Reservation, May 27 - June 4
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Permaculture, or permanent (agri)culture, means working with natural forces
- wind, sun, and water - to provide food, shelter, water and other needs
with minimum labor and without depleting the land. Permaculture is a
holistic approach based on traditional agricultural practices.

The Black Mesa Permaculture Project is a project of Indigenous People living
on Reservation lands on Black Mesa in the Four Corners area of the
Southwest with assistance of concerned support groups and persons.
Permaculture techniques allow people to diversify and increase flora
production, to restore eroded lands, and to make more efficient use of
resources. We feel that this project will help us and other Native Americans
integrate self-reliance and cultural values.

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                     4th Annual Intensive Design Course

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Instructors

The course will have three instructors, two of which are local Native
Americans. Justin Willy and George Crittenden have both taken certified
permaculture courses and are currently enrolled in an ecoforestry program.
George has several years previous experience in fire suppression and
reforestation while Justin has taught hands-on classes and consulted on
permaculture projects in the Black Mesa for five years. Both are working on
projects in their local areas and have been doing consulting work and giving
presentations to schools and local groups on the Black Mesa for nearly three
years in an attempt to expand the role of permaculture in healing the land.

Dan Dorsey, the primary instructor for the first three workshops has a
degree in forestry and has studied regenerative systems for over ten years.
In addition to residential landscapes, he has designed sustainable projects
for Tucson City Parks and Recreation, the Tucson Community Food Bank, and
the Tohono O'Odham Indian Nation. A well-known speaker in the Tucson area,
Dan emphasizes strategies for water harvesting, re-vegetation of damaged
areas, and integrating people with a sustainable environment.

This complete course will provide you with a permaculture design
certificate. Workshop fees promote scholarships for indigenous people.
Bring: camping gear, food, rain gear, notebooks, and work gloves.

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Objectives

  1. Conduct surveys of site-specific soil, water, water-shed conditions,
     locally occurring native plant species, to provide a base of
     information for planning permaculture systems.
  2. Continue presentation of annual, comprehensive, hands-on permaculture
     courses on reservations which are open to the public and free to Native
     Americans.
  3. Set up a tree grow out program for planting in spring and fall.
  4. Design and construct with each family appropriate runoff water
     diversion and collection structures, and /or spring developments, to
     enable the family to make optimal use of available water resources.
  5. Work with each family, level bordered or terraced fields, and organic
     or garden plots in which collected runoff waters will be used for
     irrigation.
  6. Work to build solid fertility in their permaculture plots with locally
     available organic materials.
  7. Select and plant an appropriate mix of perennial trees, shrubs,
     grasses, and herbs with food or medicinal value.
  8. Plan and construct additional soil and water conservation and
     permaculture structures, including runoff plots for annual plantings,
     greenhouses to extend the growing season, and erosion control
     structures.
  9. Collect and ensure the survival and availability of traditional
     varieties of seeds and cultivators.
 10. The use of appropriate technology training will build all the needed
     skills and capacities in permaculture system design and construction so
     that the instructors and consultants will be primarily Native American.

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Registration

To register, send your name, address, and phone number along with $250.00 or
non refundable $50.00 deposit to: Black Mesa Permaculture Project, PO Box
26195, Tucson, AZ 85796. Make cheques payable to Black Mesa Permaculture
Project.

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Subject: QUESTION: Ley Farming

I am looking for practical, extension-type publications (not research
articles) about ley farming systems.  Please let me know of any titles you
think would be useful.  

Thanks.

David Chaney
SAREP
University of California
Davis, CA  95616
dechaney@ucdavis.edu

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>To: sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
>Subject: QUESTION: Ley Farming
>
>I am looking for practical, extension-type publications (not research
>articles) about ley farming systems.  Please let me know of any titles you
>think would be useful.  
>
>Thanks.
>
>David Chaney
>SAREP
>University of California
>Davis, CA  95616
>dechaney@ucdavis.edu
>
I have access to a No Till groups magazine with some exciting results
with rotations of wheat and lupins.
I would be able to get you the address and the cost of the Newsletter.
 
Regards,
          Vic
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From: Emanuele John Gelsi <s100962@student.uq.edu.au>
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Hi, my name is Emanuele John Gelsi. I have completed a permaculture 
course in Lismore in 1993 but I still haven't had mush of a chance to 
practice/ do designs as I lack much of the knowledge needed about plants. 
	Hoevever, I am currently doing a coursework masters in Social 
Planning and Development at the University of Queensland, St. Lucia, and 
I am attempting to integrate permaculture with what I learn. 

	The message which will follow this is something I found in 
Rursoc-l, the 
rural sociology list. Perhaps some of you more experienced permacuture 
designeers might be able to help.

yours truly 
E J Gelsi


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From: Emanuele John Gelsi <s100962@student.uq.edu.au>
To: permaculture-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Future of small farms in Russia (fwd)
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This is Emanuele again, this is the message I talked about in my 
introduction letter. 
EJG



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Subject: Future of small farms in Russia

This appeal via H-Rural may appeal to some subscribers of Rursoc-l.
 Milt Coughenour, Moderator
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I would like to introduce myself, Carol Scott Leonard, econmic
advisor to the Russian government for the agricultural sector.

I have tremendously enjoyed the recent discussions of family
farming, and feel that I have findly found my listserv.

Can I say, at risk of offending those of you who know much
more than I do, that we still have family farming--even the
large sprawling famrms still tend to be owned by a single family
and run by sons/sons or daughters, tht is.

I have so countlessly many times advised the Russian government
that family farms are exactly what is needed, what is desirable.
Think of it. In Russia, we have mostly non-family farms, 25,000
collectives, either state or private.  Some restructured, some
not. Incentives, subsidies, the whole story.  HOw can they
do what they must do:  move from the ownership by the whole
of the farm workers (who do a lousy job at manageing these
farms) to family farms. DOes anyone have any wonderful ideas?

I work mostly on budgets. These are so onerous for the government.
The U.S. government, by contrast, interferes far less with markets
than does the Russian government, with its direct producer subsidies.

My sense, correct me if I am wrong, is that my efforts would best
be spent encouraging credit cooperatives and grain warehousing.
It does not  good to suggest to the Russian government that
subsidies be reduced.  Elections approach, here as in washington.

Thanks for a very interesting discussion.

cleonard@glas.apc.org


P.S.-- hope that the mesage I sent will reach not only those
who like doing budget questions but those who have farms,
do farming. Russia needs help.  Farming in Russia is
very much off on a bad start.

I would like advice but it is also the case theat the
important Farmer-to-Farmer aid going to Russia not be
cut off, which is a likelihood with the  current mood in
Congress.

Anyone who can help--please do.



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From: Sal Schettino <sals@rain.org>
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I started planting fruit trees about 15yr. ago.  I never heard of 
permaculture then but knew that if I planted trees while young I would be 
able to enjoy the fruits for years.  The frist few years you have to take 
care of them and I guess I will always have to prune and water them and 
harvest the fruit but its really getting close to permaculture.  My idea 
of permaculture is once what you plant  takes off its selfsupporting and 
will be there for many many years. What other things can one plant once 
and have it establish itself other than fruit trees.  What about berrys 
and herbs.  Any other ideas out there.  I'm getting old and want to put 
things in now that will take little work in latter years.   


Sal Schettino,Organic Farmer,don't panic eat organic,sals@rain.org
or check out my homepage:            http://www.rain.org/~sals/my.html    .


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>From: gil@landmark.iinet.net.au (Gil Hardwick)
Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 09:27:33 GMT
Subject: New Farmnet Mailing List


I'd like to announce a new mailing list called Farmnet, now available
via majordomo@iinet.net.au with the command:

          SUBSCRIBE farmnet.

The list is intended to be highly traditionalist, and would primarily
interest those in Australia familiar with the work of Ron Watkins &
the Land Management Society, Harry Whittington, P.A. Yeomans, Bill
Mollison, Peter Bennett, Alex Podalinski and many others. 

For North America, the respective counterparts would probably include
Wes Jackson and the Land Institute, Wendell Berry, J. Russell Smith,
and Aldo Leopold for example.

I do apologise that I am unfamiliar with much of what is going on in
Europe, although numbers of European contributors to sci.agriculture I
can see already would have a keen interest in joining us.

Traditional farming practice in Eastern Europe and Central Asia is
also of very considerable interest to us here, and any contributors
from those regions would certainly find themselves welcome.

An info sheet outlining the format and rules will be e-mailed out to
each new member automatically as their subscription is accepted, but
beyond that I leave it up to you. 



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From: Emanuele John Gelsi <s100962@student.uq.edu.au>
To: permaculture-mg@ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: about Test/permaculture
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to Hiro Yamashita and other permaculture list subscribers.

Apologies for any distress. 

My name is Emanuele John Gelsi and I have just joined the permaculture 
list. 
I wrote an introductory message and a follow up message but the listserver 
as I understand sent me messages saying something to the effect that it 
rejected my messages. The problem, at least for a computerese illiterate 
like me is that it doesn't tell you what you did wrong. Or, more likely I 
don't understand what it is telling me.  So I really hope this message 
gets through. However, here we go again with my introduction.
I am currentrly doing a masters in Social Planning and Development at the 
university of Queensland, Australia, and about 2 years ago I completed a 
Permacurlture certificate course in Lismore NSW. I am currently doing a 
piece of assesment on the state of sustainable agriculture in Australia, 
and I was wondering if there is a data base about, or if anyone knows about 
the geographic distribution of sustainable agriculture farms in 
Australia. This would be useful in terms of understanding how 
permaculture, organic farming and similar sustainable agricultures, 
overlap with the distribution of socail and economic resources. I know 
this is a bit fuzzy but I would like to see if there are any meaningful 
patterns to be found.

There is a further message which I tried to send before but I will wait 
till later to see if this message gets through.

Yours truly
Emanuele John Gelsi
Dept. of Anthropology and Sociology
University of Queensland
Australia  

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> 
> This is Emanuele again. This is the message I talked about in my 
> introduction letter. I think some of you much more experienced 
permaculture designers might be able to help.  Please tell me if you 
receive this message
EJG 
 
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> From: Coughenour <SOC007@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
> To: Multiple recipients of list RURSOC-L <RURSOC-L@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
> Subject: Future of small farms in Russia
> 
> This appeal via H-Rural may appeal to some subscribers of Rursoc-l.
>  Milt Coughenour, Moderator
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I would like to introduce myself, Carol Scott Leonard, econmic
> advisor to the Russian government for the agricultural sector.
> 
> I have tremendously enjoyed the recent discussions of family
> farming, and feel that I have findly found my listserv.
> 
> Can I say, at risk of offending those of you who know much
> more than I do, that we still have family farming--even the
> large sprawling famrms still tend to be owned by a single family
> and run by sons/sons or daughters, tht is.
> 
> I have so countlessly many times advised the Russian government
> that family farms are exactly what is needed, what is desirable.
> Think of it. In Russia, we have mostly non-family farms, 25,000
> collectives, either state or private.  Some restructured, some
> not. Incentives, subsidies, the whole story.  HOw can they
> do what they must do:  move from the ownership by the whole
> of the farm workers (who do a lousy job at manageing these
> farms) to family farms. DOes anyone have any wonderful ideas?
> 
> I work mostly on budgets. These are so onerous for the government.
> The U.S. government, by contrast, interferes far less with markets
> than does the Russian government, with its direct producer subsidies.
> 
> My sense, correct me if I am wrong, is that my efforts would best
> be spent encouraging credit cooperatives and grain warehousing.
> It does not  good to suggest to the Russian government that
> subsidies be reduced.  Elections approach, here as in washington.
> 
> Thanks for a very interesting discussion.
> 
> cleonard@glas.apc.org
> 
> 
> P.S.-- hope that the mesage I sent will reach not only those
> who like doing budget questions but those who have farms,
> do farming. Russia needs help.  Farming in Russia is
> very much off on a bad start.
> 
> I would like advice but it is also the case theat the
> important Farmer-to-Farmer aid going to Russia not be
> cut off, which is a likelihood with the  current mood in
> Congress.
> 
> Anyone who can help--please do.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Greetings,

	I've only recently subscribed and wish to acquire about participants of this list who are also involved with the Local Exchange Trading System.
	Specifically, I'd like to hear from Permaculture groups using LETS as an economic, fundraising or trading system for their produce, etc.
	The Coalition building between permaculture, organic producers and the community is slow here, as it may be elsewhere.  The Cornucopia Coalition was formed from many groups interested in sustained economic downturn, world hunger, social program and
	agriculture program cuts by the government, etc.
	As admin. coordinator of Victoria LETS, I proposed to the group to use LETS as a vehicle for fundraising for the coalition and its projects, and as a community trading system.

	Are there any groups out there working on similar projects.?

						Stephen DeMeulenaere
						Greater Victoria LETS Registry
				Victoria, Vancouver Island, Cascadia, BC, Casb						Canada, that is!

--
Greater Victoria LETS Registry
Stephen DeMeulenaere, admin.coordinator
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>From: jfsanders@delphi.com (jack sanders)
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Date: 27 May 1995 23:57:20 GMT
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> Anyone knows of a good weed dictionary, with nice pictures to help
> identify different lawn and garden weeds?

Here are five books to look for:

"Weeds" by Alexander C. Martin, New York: Golden Press, 1972. Small paperback, 
part of the Golden Guide series, offers excellent color illustrations and
range maps. No tips on dealing with them, but interesting reading. Probably in 
print. 

"Wildly Successful Plants: A Handbook of North American Weeds" by Lawrence J.
Crockett, New York:Macmillan, 1977. Excellent guide to more than 100 major
weeds; good black and white illustrations. Tells in detail how to get rid of
them. Probably not in print, but in libraries. 

"Common Weeds of the United States" by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, New 
York: Dover, 1971. Comprehensive guide to 220 species across the continent.
Range maps, good drawings. No recommendations for dealing with them. In print. 

"Weeds: Control without Poisons" by Charles Walters Sr., Kansas City, Mo.:
Acres USA, 1991. A comprehensive treatment of the topic, with lots of
background, identification guide, etc. Aimed particularly at farmers, but
gardeners can benefit. Over 300 pages. In print and orderable from Acres USA,
Box 9547, Kansas City, Mo. 64133-9547. 

"All About Weeds" by Edwin Rollin Spencer, New York: Dover, 1974. A classic,
written by an expert in the field. Suggestions for dealing with weeds, plus
loads of background and lore. May not be in print, but good libraries should
have. 

--Jack Sanders, Ridgefield, Conn., jfsanders@delphi.com
  author of "Hedgemaids and Fairy Candles: The Lives &  Lore
  of North American Wildflowers," Ragged Mountain/McGraw-Hill, 1993
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Re: the inquiry on LETS systems --

I know of none here in Northern California but would be quite grateful to
learn that this is only because i have missed them, not because they don't
exist. 

I am also interested in learning if there are U.S. farms taking in and
training WWOOFers (Willing Workers on Organic Farms). I met a few WWOOFers in
Australia last year, at Bill Mollison's place, and i was very impressed with
the program.

catjerine yronwode

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Geraldine Broadly and Sarah Crosby,
Earth Village Network, Postbus 1179, 1000 BD Amsterdam, 
The Netherlands.

Greetings!
Congratulations and best wishes for your networking and support for 
permaculture communities projects.  
I am interested in keeping in touch and providing information 
resources if I can.  (Please advise your E-mail address - the 
one cited in IPJ no. 55 has a syntax error.)


My 'dream' is to be part of society's  learning to - "..... revise 
our attitudes towards the land under our feet; ... accept the role 
of steward and depart from the role of conqueror; ... [and] accept 
the role that man and nature are inseparable parts of the unified 
whole ...." (Olegas Truchanas).   

At present, I am striving to bring this dream to fruition by taking 
on direct responsibility for a small parcel of land (at Cuballing 
Western Australia), and designing for water management structures, 
tree-belts, food-producing ecologies, etc.; and then implementing 
this in a practical way.

regards,
--
  Dennis Hilder                           Narrogin, Western Australia
  dennis.hilder@eepo.com.au                    Tel/Fax +61 98 81 4055
                    P O Box 91, Cuballing WA  6311                   

  _____Rural Development Forestry & Land Conservation Consulting_____

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Although this message will say 'from Katie Joyce' at Southampton it is in fact
from John Mauremootoo at Southampton. My Email account here has recently
terminated as I am shortly to leave. Therefore, could any messages include
something like 'FAO John Mauremootoo' in them.

I am shortly going to be leaving for the Philippines where my fiancee is based.
I want to know if anybody knows of any permaculture-type projects based in
Luzon, especially in the Cordilleras region. Barring this do people know of any
individuals over there who are interested in the permaculture approach? I am
leaving on the 18th of this month so obviously time is of the essense.

Thanks for your cooperation

John

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        cas5@cornell.edu (Christine Stockwell),
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Our Mulch-Based Agriculture Group has a new URL.  (A URL is a Uniform
Resource Locator (URL) or address that you can use on the WWW (World Wide
Web) to find pages when you "surf the net".  It often begins with:
http://).

Our address is:  http://ppathw3.cals.cornell.edu/mba_project/no_image.html

Description of the MBA Group

       The Mulch-Based Agriculture (MBA) group was officially formed in
1994 under the sponsorship of Cornell International Institute for Food,
Agriculture, and Development (CIIFAD). The goals of the MBA Group are to:

1) facilitate interdisciplinary research on indigenous and traditional
tropical mulch-based systems,

2) encourage exchange of related information between researchers in various
institutions/agencies and between researchers and the NGO/field level, and

3) consolidate, synthesize and disseminate practical, farmer-tested
information on mulch technologies. The MBA Group's main interests revolve
around mulch-based
systems that can improve agricultural sustainability for resource-poor
farmers in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.

        Mulch-based systems include: green manures, cover crops, and various
agroforestry systems that have a mulch or a litter layer of vegetative
biomass which is cut and left on (or partially incorporated into) the soil.
In addition to the centuries of traditional farmer experience with these
systems, there are also recent innovations made by both farmers and
investigators working with systems such as the velvet bean/maize rotations
in Northern Honduras, contour hedgerows in Asia and the "frijol tapado"
(covered beans) system in Costa Rica. Systematically studying traditional
and indigenous emerging MBA systems such as these can provide important
lessons for improving the sustainability and productivity of agriculture in
developing countries particularly on erosion-prone hillsides.

       Our motto is: "Sustainable Agriculture With A Sense of Humus"

Comments on our WWW page are welcome.


H. David Thurston
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
607-255-7835 (FAX-4471)


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From: Design by Nature <edward@iinet.net.au>
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Subject: Ferment & Human Nutrition
Date: 4 Jun 1995 15:34:44 GMT
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Hi Folks - In answer to some earlier requests for general info. on food 
preservation, might I suggest an excellent book by Bill Mollison called 
"The Permaculture Book of Ferment and Human Nutrition".(Tagari 
Publications 
As a text recording traditional methods it has few equals that I've seen.
Anyone have any other comprehensive guides to traditional preservation 
methods?

Yours in Aspic

Edward

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>Subject: Ferment & Human Nutrition
>Date: 4 Jun 1995 15:34:44 GMT
>Organization: iiNet Technologies Pty Ltd
>
>Hi Folks - In answer to some earlier requests for general info. on food 
>preservation, might I suggest an excellent book by Bill Mollison called 
>"The Permaculture Book of Ferment and Human Nutrition".(Tagari 
>Publications 
>As a text recording traditional methods it has few equals that I've seen.
>Anyone have any other comprehensive guides to traditional preservation 
>methods?
>
>Yours in Aspic
>
>Edward
>
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>Hi Folks!

Is there any life out there? I have completely forgotten about this list -
till now. 

I would like to make contact with Bill Mollison and/or his organisation
about TV programmes. Can anyone help?

Keep it permanent! (The culture)

Petrus Saaiman (saaimanp@sabc.co.za)
Acceptance Producer
National Network Television
South African Broadcasting Corporation
Tel: ++27 11 714-5541 FAX: ++27 11 714-5541


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Hi Folks!

Is there any life out there? I have completely forgotten about this list -
till now. 

I would like to make contact with Bill Mollison and/or his organisation
about TV programmes. Can anyone help?

Keep it permanent! (The culture)

Petrus Saaiman (saaimanp@sabc.co.za)
Acceptance Producer
National Network Television
South African Broadcasting Corporation
Tel: ++27 11 714-5541 FAX: ++27 11 714-5541


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On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Petrus Saaiman wrote:

> Hi Folks!
> 
> Is there any life out there? I have completely forgotten about this list -
> till now. 
> 
> I would like to make contact with Bill Mollison and/or his organisation
> about TV programmes. Can anyone help?
> 
> Keep it permanent! (The culture)
> 
> Petrus Saaiman (saaimanp@sabc.co.za)
> Acceptance Producer
> National Network Television
> South African Broadcasting Corporation
> Tel: ++27 11 714-5541 FAX: ++27 11 714-5541
> 
Petrus,

I took the latest Permaculture course from Bill (and Scott Pittman) that
was taught near Santa Rosa, California and ended 3 June. My understanding
of Bill's plans had him in Russia to teach the Permaculture course
following a brief extension to the Santa Rosa course (to put in a couple
of ponds). After Russia, he has plans to produce a video version of the
course for the Vietnamese government. He said those were going to be his
last projects but he may have said that before. 

Gene

Gene Thomas                   Information Analyst
Consortium for International Earth Science Information Network
2250 Pierce Road
University Center, MI 48710
517-797-2687                  gthomas@ciesin.org

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I attended a two week Permaculture Designer's Course in May taught by
Bill and Scott Pittman.  They both talked about an upcoming talevision
project with Korea or Vietman, to produce and broadcast 72 hours of
material in order to train many many people in that country.  They are
currently looking for people to help with financial investment inthis
project.  
This series will then be made available to other countries for broadcast.

The Permacutlure Institute address is:

PO Box 1
Tyalgum, New South Wales 2484
Australia

There is also "The New Garden" series of videotapes available, probally
from the Institute as well, and from:
 
Permaculture Resources
56 Fermersville Road
Califon NJ 07830
Phone: 800-832-6285

This garden series contains such tapes as:  Harvesting Rain water, Use
Greywater for Irrigation, Edible Landscapes, The Backyard Herb Garden
and  more.

They also carry books such as "Fermentation & Human Nutrition" and the
designers manuals.

                                          \|/
-Jim, Pittsburgh  PA  USA  \|/
                                            |        
                                      

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Ppst Script-

Bill said he does not read mail in a timely fashion, and just pulls mail
out of a stack at random, sometimes this mail he selects is a few years
old.
 
So please do not expect personal correspondence. 

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Thank you all for your response to my request. The results were:

perminst@peg.apc.org      pcjournal@peg.apc.org

and

Permaculture International Journal
         PO Box 6039, South Lismore, NSW 2480, Australia
                Phone: +61-66-220020
                Fax  : +61-66-220579

The Permaculture Institute
PO Box 1, Tyalgum, NSW 2484, Australia
Phone: +61-66-793442
                Fax  : +61-66-793567

Permaculture Resources
56 Fermersville Road
Califon NJ 07830
Phone: 800-832-6285 (USA)

There is life in this list, believe me!

Go well - go permaculture!


Petrus Saaiman (saaimanp@sabc.co.za)
Acceptance Producer
National Network Television
South African Broadcasting Corporation
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Petrus Saiiman asked about contacting Bil Mollison -- he's still at the
Permaculture Institute in Tyalgum, NSW, Australia. I don't know what you are
interested in in regard to TV programs, but he did do a 4-part series called
"The Global Gardener" for Australian TV, which is available on videotape.
It's very good -- broken into arid tropics, wet trops, cool temperate, and
urban gardening zones, with numerous examples shown from each are, all
expertly led by Mollison. I don;t know who sells it; enquire of Tagari Press
at the Permaculture Instritute. 

Good luck. 

catherine

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If you want to know more about composting toilets. You can find the Nature-Loo 
site on the web at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~natloo

This site has detailed information on Composting toilets, how they work, 
technical details on the micro biological activity, advantages over traditional 
water systems like sewage and septics and drawings and photos etc.

It also offers a detailed DIY kit if any enthusiast wants to build their own.

Permacultually yours,

Keith






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To anyone interested in vermicomposting:

I am currently investigating the possibility of vermicomposting yard waste
for a joint project between the Rodale Institute and the Municipal Solid
Waste Management Department of the Lehigh County of Pennsylvania.

If anyone knows of any current or past projects dealing with
vermicomposting yard waste - primarily leaves and grass - I would be very
appreciative if you could share that information with me.  Any research
papers, articles, books, contacts, etc would be great.

I am interested in all aspects of this procedure, however I am particularly
interested in the following:

1. rate of inoculation with worms
2. the best worm(s) to be used
3. what other organic materials should be added and how much
4. ideal windrow dimensions (currently 10' height, 18' width 20'length)
5. detailed information on methods
6. aeration, moisture, pH, salt, and fermentable organic matter requirements

Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for your time.  I
apologize for the cross-posting.

Sincerely,
Bill Landesman
r6831459@postoffice.ptd.net

Rodale Institute
611 Siegfriedale Road
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           Healthy Soil, Healthy Food, Healthy People

                       Rodale Institute
            611 Siegfriedale Rd., Kutztown, PA 19530
            Tel: (610) 683-1400  Fax: (610) 683-8548
              ____________________________________

**********************
Contacts Requested
**********************
Upcoming Edition: Tropical Legumes

The Rodale Institute is a non-profit organization involved in research and
education in the field of regenerative agriculture and soil health.  The
Rodale Institute International Programs is in the process of re-vamping its
Ag-Sieve publication.  Like previous issues, the new publications will
focus on current topics in regenerative agriculture and soil health.  It
will be in a factsheet-type format and a great deal of emphasis will be
placed on providing our readers with contact information relevant to the
particular topic of each issue.

If anyone - including organizations, universities, etc. - in the field of
regenerative agriculture or soil health would like to be listed as a
contact in a future Ag-Sieve publication, please respond to the email
address below.  We are now compiling a contact list for the Tropical
Legumes issue.  Those organizations with expertise in this field should
contact us as soon as possible if interested.  International organizations
are strongly encouraged to apply.

Include the name of your organization, the address, and phone/fax/email
information.  Some type of general information about your organization,
such as a brochure or recent newsletter, that could be sent to us would
also be very useful for us to keep on file.  Please be sure to indicate
your area of expertise.

All information can be sent to:

William Landesman
Rodale Institute Research Center
611 Siegfriedale Road
Kutztown, PA 19530

phone: (610)683-1458
fax:       (610)683-8548
email:  r6831459@postoffice.ptd.net

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
William Landesman
Rodale Institute

I apologize for the cross postings.


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From: Bob Adsett <Adsett.1@AppleLink.Apple.com>
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Subject: Re: PERMACULTURE DESIGN  COURSE    August 6-20, 1995
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:28:20 GMT
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Good luck with this course. Hope all is well with you and with the 
spread of permaculture in your part of the world.

Permaculture Association (Britain) national convergence 2nd and 3rd 
September 1995, Oxford, England

Details from Permaculture Association c/o Brickhurst Farm, Hastings 
Road, Pembury, Kent TN2 4BL

Best wishes

Jamie Saunders 


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From: eric@pacificrim.net (Eric James Morris)
Subject: Permaculture Design Course    August 6-20, 1995
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>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:15:16 -0800
>To:perminst@peg.apc.org
>From:eric@spherical.com (Eric James Morris)
>Subject:Permaculture Design Course    August 6-20, 1995
>
>Howdy folks:
>
>It was suggested that I forward the following information to you.  My
>friend & associate Michael Pilarski will be instructing the following
>permaculture workshop.  Please post/forward/distribute this information as
>you see fit.  Thanks much.  -Eric J Morris
>
>Permaculture Design Course    August 6-20, 1995
>A two-week intensive in sustainable systems design
>Orcas Island San Juan Islands, Washington
>
>Instructed by:
>Michael Pilarski
>Founder:  Friends of the Trees Society.
>Joe Bullock, Sam Bullock, Doug Bullock  World-travelled horticulturists. +
>Guest Speakers.
>
>Course Topics:
>* Permaculture methodology * Permaculture principles * Ethics  of
>permaculture * Observation skills * Site analysis * Mapping * Tree crops *
>Wildcrafting * Medicinal herbs * Organic gardening * Organic agriculture *
>Agroforestry systems * Edible landscaping * Land trusts * Aquaculture *
>Greenhouses * Erosion control * Sustainable forestry * Ecosystem
>Restoration * Livestock and wildlife * Urban permaculture * Appropriate
>energy * Village development * Networking & research * Intentional
>communities * Intgrated Pest Management * Working  in the Third World *
>Formal and informal economies * and much more.
>
>About Permaculture:
>* Permaculture is the art of putting yourself in symbiotic relationship
>with Gaia and with other people. * Permaculture is wedded to place, with
>reliance on native plants, and a close eye on the ecosystem.  *
>Permaculture is about self-reliance, growing food, and building creative,
>beautiful, energy-efficient structures from local materials. *
>Permaculture is multiple-story, agroforestry systems using tree crops,
>shrubs, vines and herbaceous plants in symbiotic assemblages which are
>highly productive.
>
>About the Course:
>The main purpose of the course is to impart permaculture principles and
>methodologies which can be applied anywhere in the world.  Through
>lecture, discussion, observation, and hands-on experiential learning,
>permaculture design students will develop the practical skills and
>knowledge to design and implement sustainable  systems that are in harmony
>with the  natural world.
>
>Certification:
>Course graduates will be certified as Permaculture Design Trainees, and
>after two years experience will be eligible for Applied Permaculture
>Design diplomas.
>
>Instructors:
>Michael Pilarski is founder of Friends of the Trees Society (1978) and a
>well-known permaculture educator, writer and networker.  Michael has been
>practicing organic farming and gardening for 20 years and has taught in
>the United States, British Columbia, Australia, Nepal, and Belize.   Joe
>Bullock, Sam Bullock and Doug Bullock, world-travelled horticulturists,
>have an encyclopedic knowledge of useful plants from tropical to
>cold-temperate climates. They have been  developing their homestead for
>over 13 years using permaculture principles.
>
>Course Site & Facilities:
>The seminar will be held at the homestead of the Bullock Brothers near
>Deer Harbor on Orcas Island. The Bullock homestead has lots of examples of
>permaculture design and implementation; with an incredible diversity of
>fruits, edible ornamentals, native, rare, and unusual plants. It is one of
>the premier permaculture sites in the PNW. The unique setting has many
>micro-climates including south-facing, rocky hillsides, forest, and marsh.
>        Rustic facilities include: classroom space in as converted
>greenhouse, summer kitchen, sun showers, hot tubs, and fire circle. Three
>tasty, wholesome meals a day will be provided, featuring local, organic
>food.  Participants can bring a tent and camp out.  There is space for
>camper vans. Local accomodations may be arranged.
>
>Course Tuition:
>Tuition for the course is $750 to $650 self-set sliding scale. This
>includes instruction, meals, curriculum materials, campsite, use of
>facilities and a year subscription to The Permaculture Activist.  Several
>partial scholarships are available to Third World or Native American
>people. A $100 dollar deposit (non-refundable) is required with
>registration. The remainder is due on or before August 6, 1995. Single day
>attendance is possible at $50 per day.
>
>        The course will be preceded by  the Pacific Northwest Permaculture
>Rendezvous on July 28-30. Course participants are invited to attend both
>events and stay on for additional hands-on experience in the intervening
>week.
>
>For details contact:
>Friends of the Trees, PO Box 4469, Bellingham, WA 98227  Phone/Fax:
>360-738-4972
>or: Doug Bullock, Mike Lockman  PO Box 109, Deer Harbor, WA 98243
>360-376-2071 (evenings) or Sam Bullock 360-376-2773 (evenings)
>
>


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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:09:39 +0100
From: Geraldo_Deffune <pah_gd@wye.ac.uk>
To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu, G.Deffune@wye.ac.uk
Cc: ecostp@igc.apc.org, ecostp@igc.apc.org.bitnet
Subject: Re: SEEK HELP TO REPAIR AFRICAN TOPSOIL (fwd)

Dear friends,

I am a Brazilian Agronomist with 15 years of experience in organic farming, 
presently doing my PhD in allelopathy & biodynamics at Wye College.

I'm willing to help you with advice, that would start by trying to grow a green 
manure (or a mixture of spp) adapted to the climate and soil. For this I need 
to know about the rain/water availability and the soil nutrient & pH status - 
preferably through a soil analysis report. It would be good to know about your 
possibilities to get seeds and natural amendments like rock phosphate and 
limestone, in case the soil needs them.

Last but not least, I sure can communicate with you in Portuguese, and have 
friends who can do it as well, involved in Sustainable Development both in 
Brazil, Portugal and at the African Dev. Bank - that could be helpful...

Best regards,



Abra@os,

Geraldo Deffune

Wye College - University of London 
Sustainable Agriculture Research Group
Wye, Ashford, Kent TN25 5AH
Tel.:(01233)812401 Ext. 271 
Fax: (01233)813320  Inglaterra
E-mail: G.Deffune@wye.ac.uk

Home address:
The Bungalow, Amage Rd.
Wye Ashford Kent TN25 5DF
Tel: 01233 813260


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On Date: 25 May 1995, sjohnsto@wln.com  <Susan E Johnston> wrote -


>  Does anyone know how to get on the Permaculature list?  Are there 
>  any Permie sites on the Web?  What other 'net resources are there 
>  for Permies?
> 
>  Thanks very much and have a sustainable day. ;^)


The following may be of interest, Susan - 

              ~~~~~~~~~~ Forwarded message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There are permaculture archives at sunSITE.unc.edu accessable by WWW, 
WAIS, gopher, ftpmail and ftp.
ftp directory location:
pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/permaculture
URL info:
gopher://sunsite.unc.edu/11/.pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/permaculture/
All postings to permaculture-mg are included in the archives.
Send e-mail to london@sunSITE.unc.edu for a complete access guide;
or get "GUIDE" from the above directory by ftp or other means.

-
Another permaculture mailing list, from Australia:

    permaculture list <perma@cessysv.eepo.dialix.oz.au>



Newsgroups: aus.conserve,alt.sustainable.agriculture,alt.co-ops,sci.environment
>From: hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au (dwayne)
Subject: online resources: permaculture, sustainable ag
Summary: looking for permaculture and sustainable agriculture resources.
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:27:55 GMT
Keywords: permaculture sustainable agriculture FAQ banana

Hi,

I have been collecting permacultural- and sustainable agriculture-related
links for some time now, and I'm dismayed to find that, as far as I can
tell, I have the only permaculture-related web page on the internet. Sigh.
So, in view of this, could people perhaps mail me with:

ANY permaculture-related info they would like to see linked into my page, 
ANY sustainable agriculture related info they'd like to see linked in,
any other sites, pointers, etc.

Also, is there anything like a FAQ for sustainable agriculture? Would it be
a good idea if I wrote one? I was thinking of something more akin to an
online resource guide than a definitive "what it's all about" document.
I'll do one of those as well, if people are interested, but my strength
lies in surfing the net and HTML, *not* in sustainable agriculture, so I'll
need a hand if anyone wants to see a "guide to sustainable agriculture" as
opposed to "a guide to sustainable agriculture resources on the internet".

What I have done so far may be found at:

<a href="http://www.latrobe.edu.au/nexus/Permaculture/permaculture.html">
permaculture on the internet</a>

and

<a href="http://www.latrobe.edu.au/nexus/Permaculture/sust-ag.html">
sustainable agriculture</a>

Dwayne.
          -------> hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au <--------
*  http://www.latrobe.edu.au/nexus/Permaculture/permaculture.html  * 

NEXUS:.settling.the.electronic.frontier..     mail listserv@netcom.com
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/nexus/HTML/          "subscribe nexus-gaia" 

<a href="http://www.latrobe.edu.au/nexus/HTML/dwayne.html">Dwayne</a>
      ...our.aim.is.wakefulness.our.enemy.is.dreamless.sleep...

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 21:35:55 EST
>From:  Mike Smith auhicmds@ibmmail.com LISTENV - HICNET <auhice4c@ibmmail.com>
To: agric-econ@mailbase.ac.uk, airpolution-biology@mailbase.ac.uk,
    bean-l@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU, composting@mailbase.ac.uk,
    eagr@mailbase.ac.uk, ecocity@searn.sunet.se, ecoct-01@searn.sunet.se,
    ecol-agric@mailbase.ac.uk, econ-lets@mailbase.ac.uk,
    ecoCT-A@searn.sunet.se, env-physiol@mailbase.ac.uk,
    enviroethics@mailbase.ac.uk, envst-l@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU,
    esrc-pacific-asia@mailbase.ac.uk, et-frej@searn.sunet.se,
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Subject: Mike Smith, Permaculture, Discussion Lists & Net Perma. Jour 

Hi,
My name is Mike Smith and I am the editor of several environment newsletters
in Australia (full list of other functions at end of this message).  The
purpose of this document is to introduce myself, ask a whole lot of questions
that I am desperate for answers on and find out if people are aware of the
Permaculture concept and if there is any interest in setting up a list for
this topic.  Permaculture is described below in more detail.

I am new to the net, and I only have EMail access.  This makes it hard to find
out about discussion lists, so I don't know of any Permaculture lists that may
exist already, so:

Q1.  Does anybody know of any Permaculture lists.  If so please reply to
     <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

I am in the process of finding out about lists on topics that relate to
Permaculture which is a very wide field.  Instead of trying to give an
exhaustive list of subject areas, here are some fields I am interested in:

    The Environment          Ecology                   Sustainable Agriculture
    Community Building       Project Finance           Ongoing Projects
    Community Aid            Sustainability            Self-help
    Community Forestry       Bio-regionalism           LETS
    Organics                 Healthy Cities            Alternative Economics
    Enviro Ethics            Agric. History            Urban Planning
    Waste Management         Recycling                 Energy
    Enviro Education         Water Purification        Economic Regionalism
    Population Growth        Landscape Architec        Town Planning
    Enviro Investment        Food Production           Enviro Contamination
    Green Business           Legislative Inititives

If you can post this message on an appropriate forum or discussion list I will
be grateful.
__________________________
Permaculture - What is it?

The sad reality is that we are in danger of perishing from our own stupidity
and lack of personal responsibility to life.  If we become extinct because of
factors beyond our control, then we can at least die with pride in ourselves,
but to create a mess in which we perish by our own inaction makes nonsense of
our claims to consciousness and morality.

Permaculture (permanent agriculture) is the concious design and maintenance of
agriculturally productive ecosystems which have the diversity, stability, and
resilience of natural ecosystems.  It is the harmonious integration of
landscape and people providing their food, energy, shelter, and other material
and non-material needs in an ecologically sustainable way.  The concept can be
applied to a balcony garden, an urban backyard, community gardens or even
broadacre farming.

The philosophy behind permaculture is one of working with, rather than against
nature; of protracted and thoughtful observation rather that protracted and
thoughtless action; of looking at systems in all their functions, rather than
asking only one yield of them; and of allowing systems to demonstrate their
own evolutions.

The permaculture movement has no central structure, but rather a strong sense
of shared work.  Everybody is free to act as an individual, to form a small
group, or to work within any other organisation.  We cooperate with many other
groups with diverse beliefs.  Our approach includes good practices from many
disciplines and systems, and offers them as an integrated whole.

The concept was first developed in 1974 by Bill Mollison and David Holmgren in
Tasmania, Australia.  There are now groups in over eighty countries connected
by an association based upon education, sharing information and providing
tangible assistance.  Many books have been published on this subject, ranging
in size and detail from the main text "Designer's Manual" (576 pages), to small
booklets.

Enlightened self-interest leads us to evolve ethics of sustainable and
sensible behaviour.  These then are the ethics expressed in permaculture.
Having evolved ethics, we can devise ways to apply them to our lives,
economies, gardens, land and nature.  This is what permaculture is about: the
mechanisms of mature ethical behaviour, or how to act to sustain the earth.

Q3.  Are people interested in a Net Permaculture Journal.  Something you can
     subscribe to or which might be sent out to existing lists on a regular
     basis?  Please reply to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>

I offered to start one up last year but committments made this impossible.  My
apologies to those who expressed interest.

Q4.  Would anybody be interested in colaborating on a project to produce a
     Network Permaculture Journal.  Perhaps by forming an international
     editorial group to work on it.  Please reply to <auhicmds@ibmmail.com>


Regards,

Mike SMith

My Hat Collection:
   Convenor, Permaculture ACT (PACT) - ACT=Australian Capital Territory
   Editor, The Mulch (Monthly Journal of Permaculture ACT), hardcopy
   Editor, Net Permaculture Newsletter (??? project being initiated???)
   Treasurer, Australian Centre for Ecologically Sustainable Systems (ACESS)
   National E-Mail Administrator, Health Insurance Commission, Australia

You can contact me on:
   Internet........auhicmds@ibmmail.com
   X.400...........G=Mike S=Smith P=ausgovhic A=ibmx400 C=au
   Snail Mail......10/6 Antis St, Phillip  ACT  2606, Australia
   Pager...........+ 61 6 269 0425
   Voice...........+ 61 6 203 6040
   Home............+ 61 6 285 2786
_____________________________________________________________________________
       If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem
___________________________________ the end _________________________________



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  Dennis Hilder                           Narrogin, Western Australia
  dennis@denkat.eepo.com.au                    Tel/Fax +61 98 81 4055
                    P O Box 91, Cuballing WA  6311                   

  _____Rural Development Forestry & Land Conservation Consulting_____

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From: Susan Johnston <sjohnsto@wln.com>
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HOW ABOUT AN ENLIGHTENED ADVENTURE IN NEW ZEALAND?

Doug Bullock is a friend of mine, and a renowned authority on sustainable
living and permaculture.  He is looking for a few people to join him for a
special adventure in New Zealand.  He will be traveling there in 1995-96,
and is offering to serve as a guide and travel companion for individuals
or small groups who would like to explore some of the country's most
magical places.  He can advise you about buying land there, too.  Don't
be suspicious, because this isn't some big commercial deal or a come-on
for a tour.  This is a unique opportunity.  Doug simply needs to offset
the cost of his own trip, so he is willing to share his knowledge and
contacts in exchange for a moderate guide/consultant's fee.

YOU CAN CHOOSE THE ACTIVITIES YOU LIKE MOST.

If you decide to join him, Doug will work with you to develop an itinerary
that suits your interests.  He can draw on his local knowledge and
resources to arrange a tremendous variety of activities, including:

-  Farmstays on organic, biodynamic and permaculture farms.
-  Agricultural work-trade experiences.
-  Visits to intentional communities.
-  Guided explorations of the country's wilderness and rural areas.
-  Outdoor adventures (kayaking, windsurfing, hiking, rafting, etc.)
-  High-quality, low-budget touring.
-  Getting to know locals who share your interest in sustainable culture,
   building community and living in harmony with the natural world.

YOU CAN GET THE LOWDOWN ON LAND, TOO.

If you are tempted by the quality of life in New Zealand, you can take
advantage of Doug's experience as a landowner and resident there.  He has
served as a buyer's consultant, and can facilitate ownership of New
Zealand agricultural land.  Doug can help you evaluate real estate and
provide on-the-spot advice about the agricultural potential of specific
properties.

YOU'LL TRAVEL WITH A CELEBRATED ADVOCATE OF BALANCED LIVING.

Here's a little background on Doug.  He's a world-traveled horticulturist
and permaculture farmer with an encyclopedic knowledge of edible and
useful plants and their cultivation.  He lived for several years in New
Zealand, where he still legally holds permanent resident status.  While
there, he worked on his own agriculture projects, and also assisted the
New Zealand Department of Conservation.  Prior to that he was resident in
Hawaii, where he was an instrumental leader in a nonprofit organization
which actively promoted sustainable agriculture.

Doug now shares a homestead with his two brothers on Orcas Island in
Washington State, where for over 13 years they have applied the principles
of permaculture to realize their unique vision of abundance and
sustainable human life on earth.  Their farm has become one of the most
renowned permaculture sites in the region, and was featured in "The Global
Gardener," a widely broadcast series of videotapes created by Bill
Mollison, the undisputed fountainhead of permaculture worldwide.  The
Bullocks' place was also covered at length in Issue #50 of Permaculture
International Journal. 

With his brothers and their many contacts from around the world, Doug
leads workshops, courses and informal training in sustainable agriculture
and related fields of knowledge.  He is dedicated to helping people learn
how to exist happily in an easy and balanced relationship with the Earth.

WHAT TO DO NEXT?  GET IN TOUCH!

Don't be put off by the awesome credentials.  Doug is a relaxed and
good-natured person, who's energetic but balanced, and he'll make a great
traveling companion.  If you're interested in seeing New Zealand with
Doug, e-mail me right away, or call him directly at (360) 376-2071.

=========================================================================
Susan E Johnston - Flying Fish Private Expeditions Inc - sjohnsto@wln.com
                         Have a defining moment.
=========================================================================




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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 09:02:53 -0400
From: SSmedley@aol.com
To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Suggestions Please

My husband and I have an organic farm in northern CA. We would like to 
sell due to my husbands health. Would you know of an area on the 
Internet that would be appropriate to advertise ? 

This is not a mom and pop operation, so I have to reach investors looking
for a serious business. 

It consists of 212 certified acres, 1 mile of creek frontage. Crops are
planted and produced and being marketed under our own label at the present
time. This is a turn key operation, includes all equipment, management in
place and market established.

It also has an older home, shop, packing sheds etc. It is setup as
corporation for families or groups wishing to invest with the ability to 
issue stock in a private offering.

The price is $1.9 million with terms. Located in a very nice community.
 

Do you have any ideas ? The real estate section is closed and not accepting
new listings! Where ealse would farmers hang out, or wannbe farmers ? 

Thanks in advance......Sharon             ssmedley@aol.com 

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 14:45:56 WST
From: Warwick Rowell <warwick@bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
To: SAEd-Share-L@cornell.edu
Subject: 6th Intntnl Permaculture Conf: 9/96

Please feel free to pass this invitation on to other groups.

.....xxxxxxXXXX   EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST INVITED   XXXXxxxxx......

=09SIXTH INTERNATIONAL PERMACULTURE CONFERENCE

=09=09"DESIGNING FOR A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE"

=09=09=0928 September - 7th October 1996

=09=09=09=09Perth  WESTERN AUSTRALIA

Contents:
=09Registration Form
=09Preamble
=09Conference Outline
=09=09Preconference Events from Sep 1
=09=09Convergence
=09=09Post convergence options
=09Third World Assistance
=09=09Applications invited
=09=09Assistance sought
=09Perth and Western Australia; some details
=09Swanleigh: A village in the City
=09Further contact details


REGISTRATION OF INTEREST FOR BOTH CONFERENCE AND CONVERGENCE=09=09=09
Please fill in the blanks and e-mail this section back to us
at converg@eepo.com.au

Name:
Address:
Code:=09
Country:
Phone:
Fax:
Email:

I am interested in attending:-
Conference [  ]       Convergence [  ]       Both [  ]       =20
Please add me to your mailing list.

I APPLY TO:-
[  ]=09  display my or my group's activities or products
[  ]=09  speak on the subject of=20
=09
[  ]=09  offer a workshop on


Please attach an outline of your possible presentation. =20
Final copy for inclusion in the Conference proceedings=20
will be required by August 1, 1996. Email is acceptable, as is a
Mac or IBM disk with ASCII text or Word text in New Century=20
Schoolbook 12 point only. =20

[  ]  =09Convergence details required:=20

The Instructor on my Certificate Course was=20
Country:
Date:
Year:=09

Return the details above to converg@eepo.com.au
Please delete from here on to save time and bandwidth


..........................PREAMBLE..................................


........SIXTH INTERNATIONAL PERMACULTURE CONFERENCE

.............DESIGNING FOR A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE

.....................28 September - 1st October, 1996


The Sixth International Permaculture Conference, hosted by the=20
Permaculture Association of Western Australia, is an opportunity=20
for the global Permaculture network to promote Permaculture to the=20
public.

The sub-themes below will stimulate, challenge and extend our=20
understanding of the design principles needed to develop a=20
regenerating, permanent culture on this planet. Emphasis will be=20
on positive action as an outcome to the Conference, extending the=20
global network and encouraging local action.

=09* Earth Care=09=09
=09=09- Exploring Strategies in landcare and regeneration.
=09* People Care  =09
=09=09- Community and Eco-Villages=20
=09=09- Learning with others,
=09=09- Re-establishing culture.
=09*Surplus Share=09
=09=09- How new economics can contribute to sustainability.

The program, designed for the whole family, includes:

=09* A 4 day conference of speakers, workshops, forums,=20
=09  children's program, & urban Permaculture site visits.

=09=09....... Networking
=09=09....... Information=09=09=09
=09=09....... Action & Celebration=20

=09* Tours of broadacre and small rural permaculture properties=20
=09  in the SW. (en route to the Convergence)

=09* A Convergence for Pc Design Certificate graduates.=20

=09* Activities for those not eligible for the Convergence.
=09
=09* Pre-conference courses from September 1.
=09
=09* Post conference tours and workshops.


   Please note that the Conference will be conducted in English
.....................................................................

=20
...................PRE-CONFERENCE EVENTS from Sept 1.................


In Perth, Western Australia:

...............=09September 16 - 26
Permaculture Design Certificate Course with experienced local=20
permaculturists - dealing with the world's oldest soils in arid,=20
subtropical and temperate coastal climates.=20

...............=09September 21 - 22=20
Working with Children in Permaculture - a participatory 2 day=20
workshop for teachers, parents and permaculture designers. Salli=20
Ramsden & guests.

In Crystal Waters, Queensland:

...............=09September 1 - 14
Permaculture Design Course with Max O Lindegger and Frances Lang.

...............=09September 15 - 22
Eco-Village Workshop with Max O Lindegger, Frances Lang, Lea=20
Harrison, Geoff Young, plus guests Hamish Stewart (Gaia Foundation=20
DK), Albert Bates (The Farm, USA), Declan Kennedy (Steierberg,=20
Germany) and John Talbott (Findhorn, Scotland).



................CONVERGENCE: October  5, 6, 7....................... =20

Participation in the Convergence is limited to those who have=20
completed the Design Certificate Course. The convergence is an=20
opportunity to share experiences with designers from around the=20
world and discuss innovative ideas and strategies. Agenda items=20
may be submitted in advance.=20


..................POST-CONVERGENCE OPTIONS.........................

=B7 Tour of broadacre farms working towards sustainability and=20
=09regenerating degraded land
=B7 Follow-up workshop on village interests
=B7 On farm workshop - broadacre strategies
=B7 Cob building workshop
=B7 Workshop on computer software for Permaculture


..................FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.............................

Is your organisation able to raise funds for overseas delegates=20
from 2nd & 3rd world countries?

Participants from all corners of the world and all parts of the=20
Permaculture network are invited to attend the conference and=20
convergence.

The Permaculture community of Australia will apply for all possible=20
grants and sponsorship to assist participants from all parts of the=20
World, ie: Eastern Europe, Russia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lesotho,=20
Nepal, India and Latin America and others who may need support.

We urge each first world Permaculture group to raise funds for=20
participants from the 2nd and 3rd world countries. =20

We look forward to hearing from organisations willing to raise=20
funds for delegates who need assistance to travel to Perth.=20


.....DO YOU NEED SOME FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO COME TO PERTH?........

All applicants for financial assistance will be considered on the=20
basis of their financial constraints and their ability to pass on=20
knowledge and practical skills to their community, as well as the=20
knowledge and experience they have to share with others at the=20
conference and convergence.

Permaculture groups are asked to nominate people worthy of support=20
by writing to us with their details.

_____________________________________________________________________

.................. PERTH, WESTERN AUSTRALIA..........................

Western Australia is Australia's most isolated State and covers a=20
third of the continent - it is BIG.

Our highly urbanised, resource rich, affluent society is in the=20
south west corner.  We are aware that many of our systems are=20
degrading; our soil fertility and water quality are in decline=20
and living practices are unsustainable.  We are seeking ways to=20
living that are more in harmony with our unique and diverse=20
ecosytems.

Perth in Spring is fantastic, and for those who can stay on,=20
Western Australia is ideal for a holiday.  It offers some of the=20
best beaches in the world, national parks (some with aboriginal=20
guides willing to share their culture), whale watching, dolphins=20
and more. Spring is the best time to see our amazing wildflowers.


..............SWANLEIGH: A VILLAGE IN THE CITY......................

The conference will be held on 39 picturesque hectares beside the=20
Swan River, on the outskirts of Perth and within minutes of the=20
international airport. Swanleigh offers a relaxed country=20
atmosphere, with a variety of spaces for informal get togethers. =20
There is a range of budget accommodation available, and recreational
facilities include a swimming pool, gymnasium, horse riding, walking=20
trails by the river and canoes. There are vineyards, orchards and=20
national parks close by.  A shuttle bus service will operate from=20
Swanleigh to Midland Railway Station.

____________________________________________________________________
For further information, contact:
=09Sixth Permaculture Conference Secretariat
=09=09PO Box 568, Kalamunda, Western Australia, 6076
=09=09=09Phone: 61 9 291 9306   Fax: 61 9 291 9978
=09=09=09=09Email: converg@eepo.com.au
____________________________________________________________________

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From: Larry London <london@sunsite.unc.edu>
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Subject: Course: Permaculture for Drylands (fwd)
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From: peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk (Peter Bond)
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Subject: Course: Permaculture for Drylands
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:19:32 BST


Ruth Bond (my daughter) is running this course at the organic farm run
by her and her partner in the mountains of Southern Spain late
September:-

"Desertification is an increasingly serious problem in today‘s world,
caused by global climate changes and unsustainable land use practices
that render former agricultural land unusable. The man-made deserts
created ™ bald terrains scarred by erosion ™ are creeping outwards
and already have a firm foothold in Europe, covering much of Spain.
The loss of fertility and soil caused by desertification can be
reversed using land regeneration techniques, but is even better
prevented, and permaculture offers solutions and methods for both
approaches."

Eco-holidays, working holidays and WWOOF-ing are also on offer.

Please ask me directly for further details.

I have only just discovered this group (finding oneself on the
Internet! :- ) ) : and if this is too much advertisement and not
enough news, please accept my humble apologies.

-- Peter Bond                             peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk
-- Silverdale, Lancashire, England        +44 (0)1524 701623
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Sorry for this crossing post if you subscribe to all lists posted.

Farming Systems Research Group at University of Guelph, Ontario, 
Canada, recently set up a WWW page primarily for the use of group 
members. You may browser this page by:

    http://tdg.uoguelph.ca/www/FSR/homepage.html
        or
    University of Guelph (http://www.uoguelph.ca)
        > About the University of Guelph
            > Ontario Agricultural College
                > Farming Systems Research

Please leave your comments or suggestions to our group or project 
leader, Dr. John Gibson.
  

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An e-mail network for ecological agriculture has been established.

This mailbase list is intended for academics, researchers, educationalists
and others working in the field of ecological (organic/biological)
agriculture, to provide a forum for discussion of ideas, identification of
potential collaborators, and exchange of news, conference information and
publications details.

The mailbase can be accessed via e-mail, via the UK Mailbase Gopher, via the
WWW at: http://www.mailbase.ac.uk or via Telnet at: lynx.mailbase.ac.uk
(When prompted for a login simply reply with:  lynx)
 

To join the list, send a message to:

mailbase@mailbase.ac.uk 

with the following message only:

join ecol-agric firstname lastname

thus I would write:

join ecol-agric Nic Lampkin

Then if you wish to send a message to the all of the members of the list
you send it to:

ecol-agric@mailbase.ac.uk

When you join, you will receive from mailbase a user-guide with further details.

You are encouraged to foward this message to as many contacts as possible,
but please note that the mailbase administrators are concerned about the
high load on the Atlantic link to North America, so this list should be
restricted to those with a serious interest in ecological (organic)
agriculture.  It is not intended to compete with or replace existing
sustainable agriculture newsgroups.  (It may be worth exploring
cross-linkages between these networks, by registering the mailing address
for other networks on individual lists.)



Nic Lampkin
Welsh Institute of Rural Studies
Stapledon Building, Penglais Campus
University of Wales, Aberystwyth
GB-Dyfed SY23 3DD.
Tel: +44 (0)1970 622248
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Greetings! FYI -The MInnesota Food Assoc. will hold a Member Forum on 'Dioxin 
in the Food Supply'. There will be a discussion with panelists from the MN 
Pollution Control Agcy and the Inst.for Agric.& Trade Policy. MFA hopes to 
help citizens learn about this urgent matter and how to follow up on their 
concerns. Please come if you can. Add to our information if you're able.  

What:  Dioxin in the Food Supply      When: Tues. 8 Aug 95, 7-9 pm 
Where:  North Como Presbyterian Church, 965 Larpenteur Ave.West, Roseville MN
Contact for info:  Minn.Food Assoc., Minneapolis MN ph.612-644-2038 fax 
612-646-0142.
THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME AND ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND.
Carol Walker, Member MFA, cfwalker@alex.stkate.edu

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           Healthy Soil, Healthy Food, Healthy People

                       Rodale Institute
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Contacts Requested
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Upcoming Edition: Permaculture

The Rodale Institute is a non-profit organization involved in research and
education in the field of  organic agriculture based on regenerative
principles.  The Rodale Institute Global Programs is in the process of
re-vamping its Ag-Sieve publication.  Like previous issues, the new
publications will focus on current topics in regenerative agriculture and
soil health.  It will be in a factsheet-type format and a great deal of
emphasis will be placed on providing our readers with contact information
relevant to the particular topic of each issue.

If anyone - including individuals, organizations, universities, etc. - in
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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:24:30 PDT
From:    Joe Moore <joemoore@CRUZIO.COM>
Subject: BFVI UPDATE
                     THE BUCKY FULLER VIRTUAL INSTITUTE
                   by Joe S. Moore   Updated July 29, 1995

                   * = New or Changed    PD = Public Domain
*Please Send Any Additions, Deletions or Corrections to joemoore@cruzio.com
============================================================================
*                TABLE OF CONTENTS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER

AGRICULTURE                    FTP                         ORGANIZATIONS
ARCHIVES                       FULLERENES
ATMOSPHERE                                                 PATENTS
                               GENERAL                     PICTURES
BOOKS                          GEOMETRY                    POPULATION
                               GLOSSARY
CALENDARS                                                  QUOTES
CITIES                         IRC
CLASSES                                                    SEARCH
CLOTHING                       LISTS                       SIMULATIONS
                                                           STATISTICS
DEBT                           MAGAZINES
DEMOCRACY                      MAPS                        TRANSPORTATION
DOMES                          MEDIA, MAGNETIC
                               MEDICAL                     UPDATE
ENERGY, RENEWABLE              MUSIC
EDUCATION                                                  WATER
                               NEWSGROUPS
                               NEWSLETTERS
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GENERAL INFORMATION: OVERVIEWS, SUMMARIES, ETC.
*ARTICLES, ESSAYS, ETC. (ELECTRONIC)
  Bucky Fuller                               (Robert A. Wilson)
                                    http://www.nets.com/site/raw/fuller.html
  Bucky Fuller Virtual Institute             (Richard Henderson & Joe Moore)
                              http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html
  Bucky's Grand Strategy                     (Joe S. Moore)
                              http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html
  Doing the Right Things                     (Medard Gabel & Evan Frisch)
                  http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/doright.html
  Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)           (Chris Fearnley)
                                  http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf/fuller-faq.html
  Guinea Pig "B" (from 'Inventions')         (R. Buckminster Fuller)
             http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/inventions/Bucky.html
  World Game                                 (Robert A. Wilson)
                                      http://www.nets.com/site/raw/game.html
  World Game Home Page                       (Chuck Dingee)
                   http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drhome.html
  What the World Wants...and How to Pay for It (WGI staff)
                   http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/wwants.html

 DATABASES
  Bucky Public Domain    (Moore)   ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/RBFdb.lha
  Global Recall          (WGI)                  XTM00002@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU

 FILTERING SERVICES
  NetNews Filtering Server      (Body: "help")       netnews@db.stanford.edu

 PICTURES
  Bucky Public Domain  1A        http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/jm_gall.html
  Bucky Public Domain  1B                    http://switchboard.ftp.com/1/BF
  Bucky Public Domain  2          http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPics.html

  Planet Earth 1                http://www.nosc.mil/planet_earth/photos.html
  Planet Earth 2          http://www.nosc.mil/planet_earth/earth_images.html

* Satellite Images                http://gopher.awis.auburn.edu:70/I/images/

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AGRICULTURE
 DEFORESTATION
  WGI         http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS2

 FOOD
  WGI              http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drfeed.html

 NEWSGROUPS
  Food                                                       sci.agriculture

 SOIL EROSION
  WGI              http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html
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ARCHIVES, SEARCHABLE
 Geodesic                                       listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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ATMOSPHERE
*ANIMATIONS
* Spherical Anims of Earth's Cloudforms   (Pending; Eric J. Morris; PC?)
*  Spherical Visions                                     eric@pacificrim.net

*OZONE DEPLETION
* ARTICLES
   WGI        http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS3

*WARMING, GLOBAL
* ARTICLES
*  Global Warming
    WGI       http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS5

* SIMULATIONS
*  Windows for Image (Greenhouse Effect Simulation & Analysis; IBM-PC)
*   ME               ftp://ftp.santafe.edu/pub/gmk/2050/Modeling/wim94-demo/
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BIBLIOGRAPHIES
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BOOKS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED "D" FOR DIGITAL)
 BY BUCKY
  4D Timelock                                                    bfi@aol.com
  And It Came to Pass--Not to Stay                               bfi@aol.com
  Buckminster Fuller Reader                                      bfi@aol.com

  Cosmography: A Posthumous Scenario for the Future of Humanity  bfi@aol.com
  Cosmography: A Posthumous......... http://intertain.com/store/welcome.html

  Critical Path                                                  bfi@aol.com
  Earth, Inc.                                                    bfi@aol.com
  Education Automation                                           bfi@aol.com
  Grunch of Giants                                               bfi@aol.com

  Ideas and Integrities   (Dave Morrison Books; used)  morrison@teleport.com
  Ideas and Integrities                                          bfi@aol.com

  Intuition                                                      bfi@aol.com
  Nine Chains to the Moon                                        bfi@aol.com
  No More Second Hand God                                        bfi@aol.com
  Operating Manual for SpaceShip Earth                           bfi@aol.com
  Synergetics (I): Explorations in the Geometry of thinking      bfi@aol.com

  Tetrascroll: Goldilocks & the Three Bears            morrison@teleport.com
  Tetrascroll: Goldilocks & the Three Bears                      bfi@aol.com

  Utopia or Oblivion: The Prospects for Humanity                 bfi@aol.com
  World Game:Integrative Resource Utilization Planning Tool (DIGITAL)
   Table of Contents          http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html

 BY OTHERS
  50 Years of Design Science Revolution & the World Game (?, ed) bfi@aol.com
  A Fuller Explanation                        (Edmundson)        bfi@aol.com
  Basic Bucky (PD; D) (Moore) http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html
  Bucky: A Guided Tour of Buckminster Fuller  (Kenner) morrison@teleport.com
  Bucky for Beginners                         (Laycock)          bfi@aol.com

* Bucky's 100s  (publication pending)         (Hoberman, ed)    ?   @   ?
* Bucky Works   (publication pending)         (Baldwin)         ?   @   ?

  Buckminster Fuller: Autobiographical Monolog/Scenario (Snyder) bfi@aol.com
  Buckminster Fuller: Autobiographical......  (Snyder) morrison@teleport.com

  Development Pattern of Geometric Structures (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is
  Dymaxion World of Buckminster Fuller        (Marks)  morrison@teleport.com
  Dome-It-Yourself Instruction Book           (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is
  EDC Booklet (163 Domes & Projects '72-92)   (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is
* Ho-Ping: Food for Everyone            (Gabel) xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
  Nature's Forms                              (Thorsteinn)kingdome@mmedia.is
  Non-Being and Somethingness                 (Hample) morrison@teleport.com
  Synergetics Dictionary                      (Applewhite)       bfi@aol.com
  World Game Map Teacher Resources Guide (staff)xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
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CALENDARS (PAPER UNLESS NOTED OTHERWISE)
 1995 Buckminster Fuller Centennial Calendar                     bfi@aol.com
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CITIES
 AIR
 LAND
 SEA
  Oceania Project                                        http://oceania.org/
 SPACE
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CLOTHING, JEWELRY, ETC.
 EARRINGS
  Celestial Orb               (Design Science Toys)             stuq@mhv.net

 KEY RINGS
  Marble Globe                (GENI)                           geni@cerf.net

*MUGS
* Earth from Space            (Geosphere Project)
                       http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html

 NECKLACES
  Pendant Celestial Orb       (Design Science Toys)             stuq@mhv.net

 T-SHIRTS
  Global Awareness Unfolding  (BFI)                              bfi@aol.com
  Connect the World with GENI (GENI)                           geni@cerf.net
* Earth From Space     http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html
  Natural Spaces Dome Logo    (NS)                     c/o   donh@hoflin.com
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COMPUTER, ULTRA-MICRO
 ARTICLES

 HARDWARE
  Applied Synergetics (Rick Bono)     http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html
  Bono's Picture Gallery         http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/rb_gall.html

 SOFTWARE
  Applied Synergetics (Rick Bono)     http://www.cris.com/~rjbono/index.html
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DEBT
 National          http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drdebt.html
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DEMOCRACY, ELECTRONIC
 Voting By Phone Foundation (Evan Ravitz)               evan@welcomehome.org
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DOMES, GEODESIC
 ARCHITECTS, CONSULTANTS, DESIGNERS, ETC.
* Chu, Russell           (Tensegrity Structural Systems)
*                                                               RCHU@aol.com
* Clinton International Design Consultants
*  Joseph D. Clinton                                  c/o    donh@hoflin.com

  Fuller & Sadao, PC                                  c/o    EdApple@aol.com

  Thorsteinn, Einar, DI                                   kingdome@mmedia.is
   Kingdomes Home Page                        http://www.mmedia.is/kingdome/

 MANUFACTURERS, DEALERS, ETC.
  Aluminum Geodesic Spheres (AGS)        FL, USA    c/o      donh@hoflin.com
  American Ingenuity, Inc.               FL, USA    c/o      donh@hoflin.com
  GeoDomes Woodworks                     CA, USA    c/o      donh@hoflin.com
  Hexadome of America, Inc.              CA, USA    c/o      donh@hoflin.com
  Key Dome                               FL, USA    c/o      donh@hoflin.com
  Kingdomes                              TX, USA          kingdome@mmedia.is
  Monolithic Constructors, Inc.          TX, USA    c/o      donh@hoflin.com
  Natural Spaces, Inc.                   MN, USA    c/o      donh@hoflin.com
  Shelter Systems                        CA, USA    c/o  joemoore@cruzio.com
  Timberline Geodesics                   CA, USA          TLineDomes@aol.com

 MODELS
* 1 2 3 4 Sphere Kit (21")            by A.G.S. Products         bfi@aol.com
  Geodesic Dome Kit (BFI)                                        bfi@aol.com
  Glitter Globes    (Karl Schmidt; Transtronics)       kschmidt@databank.com
  Hoberman Sphere                                                bfi@aol.com
  Hoberman Sphere                                               stuq@mhv.net
  Kingdome Models (5)   (Einar Thorsteinn)                kingdome@mmedia.is
  Synergy Ball    (P Salsbury Designer; Design Science Toys)     bfi@aol.com
  Synergy Ball    (P.Salsbury Designer; Design Science Toys)    stuq@mhv.net
  TensegriToy                         by Tensegrity Systems      bfi@aol.com
  TensegriToy                         by Tensegrity Systems     stuq@mhv.net

 NEWSGROUPS
  Architecture                                  alt.architecture.alternative

 PICTURES
  Araki, Yoshiaki   (Synergetics Institute, Japan)
   Pine Dome Project      http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/dome.html
  Dickson, Stewart  (Geometry & Geodesic Domes)
   http://mathsource.wri.com/~mathart/portfolio/SPD_Geo_port_detail.html#capsi
  Geary,   Carol
   Stained Glass Dome          http://sunsite.unc.edu/otis/pers/Geary_C.html
  Siqueira, Rodrigo (Tensegrities pics & text)
                 http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html
  Wright, Vedder
   Plastic Fork Dome              http://world.std.com/~vwright/hobbies.html

 SOFTWARE
  Dome Data Generator
                       ftp://ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/utilities/geodome.zip
  Dome Generator
                   avalon.chinalake.navy.mil/pub/utils/misc/geodesic_obj.uue
  Geodome software, Pics and Text
                 http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html

 TEXTS
  Birth of the Geodesic Dome--How Bucky Did It    (Lloyd Seiden)
                 http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html
  DOME magazine (Paper, Don. Hoflin, ed, Quarterly,CO)       donh@hoflin.com
  Domes in Australia                              (      ?     )
                       http://www.iinet.com.au/~mktrecom/corringe/wilja.html
  Earthquake in Japan                             (Yoshiaki Araki)
                      http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/disaster.html
  Miscellaneous DOME Magazine Articles            (Einar Thorsteinn)
                                                           cindyk@hoflin.com
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EDUCATION
 CLASSES, COURCES, LECTURES
  Dome (Natural Spaces, Inc.)                       c/o      donh@hoflin.com
  Kingdome Correspondence Course                          kingdome@mmedia.is

 CURRICULA
  Project Synergy  (Gerry Segal)                        GERRY@BNK2.BNKST.EDU

*EVENTS   1995

* Bucky Fuller Centennial Celebration    ("Fall",     Philadelphia, PA, USA)
*  WGI                                          xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

* Bucky Centennial Event                 (Nov ??,     New York,     NY, USA)
   Cathedral of St.John the Divine                       ?      @     ?

*         1996

 ILLITERACY
  WGI               http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drlit.html

 WORKSHOPS
  Diversity     (WGI)                           XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu
  Energy
  Environmental (WGI)                           XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu
  K-12 School   (WGI)                           XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu
  World Issues  (WGI)                           XTM00002@DUVM.ocs.DREXEL.edu
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ENERGY, RENEWABLE
 GENERAL

 DISTRIBUTION (GLOBAL ENERGY GRID)
  ANIMATIONS
*  Global Electrical Grid  (10 min; IBM-PC Compatible; Russell D. Hoffman)
*   GENI                                                       geni@cerf.net
*   Compuserve        (Keyword: ANISOFT)           ( VGA)       GENI_VGA.ZIP
*                     (Keyword: ANISOFT)           (SVGA)           GENI.ZIP
*   America On-Line   (Keyword: ANIMATED SOFTWARE) ( VGA)       GENI_VGA.ZIP
*                     (Keyword: ANIMATED SOFTWARE) (SVGA)           GENI.ZIP

  ESSAYS/ARTICLES
   The Global Energy Grid          (Robert Anton Wilson)
                                     http://www.nets.com/site/raw/grids.html
   The Global Energy Grid          (World Game Institute)
               http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drnrg.html#NRG2
*  The GENI Model: The Interconnection of Global Power Resources to Obtain
*   an Optimal Global Sustainable Energy Solution   (Dekker, Meisen & Bruton)
*                      http://www.cerf.net/geni/Text/Simulation_Article.html

 EFFICIENCY
  ARTICLES
   Energy Efficiency
    WGI             http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drnrg.html

 NEWSGROUPS
  General                                                         sci.energy
  Renewable                                             alt.energy.renewable

 PRODUCTION

 STORAGE

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FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP) DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD SITES
  Critical Path Project    (UL)  cpp.critpath.org/incoming/

  Kaplowitz, Dave          (DL)  switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/
  Kaplowitz, Dave          (UL)  switchboard.ftp.com/incoming/

  New Civilization Network (DL)  ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/
  New Civilization Network (DL)  ftp.newciv.org/pub/Synergetic_Geometry/
  New Civilization Network (UL)  ftp.newciv.org/incoming/

  Synergetics-on-the-Web   (DL)  ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/bin/
  Synergetics-on-the-Web   (DL)  ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/docs/
  Synergetics-on-the-Web   (DL)  ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/images/
  Synergetics-on-the-Web   (DL)  ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/movies/
  Synergetics-on-the-Web   (UL)  ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/pdx4d/in.coming/

  Wardley, Andy            (DL)  ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/povray/HALL_OF_FAME
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FULLERENES
 ANIMATIONS
  Carbon-60        http://chem-www.mps.ohio-state.edu/~lars/moviegif/ex6.mpg

 MODELS
  Bucky Ball Carbon-60 Molecule  (Mondo-Tronics)                 bfi@aol.com
  Bucky Ball Carbon-60 Molecule  (Mondo-Tronics)             mondo@mondo.com
  One-Piece  Carbon-60 Sphere    (A.G.S. Products)               bfi@aol.com

 PICTURES
  Fullerene Structure Library
                                 http://sbchm1.sunysb.edu/msl/fullerene.html
  Mitshuho Yoshida's Fullerene Gallery
  http://cochem2.tutkie.tut.ac.jp:8000/member/yoshida/fuller/Fuller.html#fuller
  SUNY Stony Brook University
                                      http://buckminster.physics.sunysb.edu/
  Sussex University
                          http://www.susx.ac.uk/Users/kroto/fullgallery.html

 TEXTS
  Buckyball: An Excruciatingly Researched Report (Rodrigo Siqueira)
                 http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html

 UPDATE SERVICES (AUTOMATED E-MAIL)
  Articles  (Body: "help")                         bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu
  News             http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/bucky/htmls/bucky.html
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GEOMETRY, SYNERGETICS
 DATABASES, POLYHEDRA
  Index Page                      http://www.netlib.org/polyhedra/index.html

GENERAL
  Synergetics-on-the-Web   (Kirby Urner)
   Home Page                     http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html
   Art Gallery Index        http://www teleport.com/~pdx4d/ftp/artindex.html

 MODELS
  Celestial Orb                       by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Cubocta-Flex      (Stuart Quimby)   by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Dodeca                              by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Dodeca-Flex                         by                        stuq@mhv.net
  FeeBee/WeeBee                       by                        stuq@mhv.net

  Flex-Star-3                         by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Flex-Star-4                         by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Flex-Star-6                         by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Icosa-Flex                          by                        stuq@mhv.net

  OctaBug                             by Design Science Toys     bfi@aol.com
  OctaBug                             by Design Science Toys    stuq@mhv.net

  PolyGonzo                           by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Quad-Rhom                           by                        stuq@mhv.net

  Quix-I                              by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Quix-II                             by                        stuq@mhv.net

  Rhoma                               by                        stuq@mhv.net
  RhomBlocks                          by                        stuq@mhv.net

  Roger's Connection                  by Design Science Toys     bfi@aol.com
  Roger's Connection                  by Design Science Toys    stuq@mhv.net

  Stik-Trix                           by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Tetra-Star-8                        by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Turn-About                          by                        stuq@mhv.net
  Vector Flexor (VE)                  by Da Mert Company         bfi@aol.com

  VectorSphere-I                      by                        stuq@mhv.net
  VectorSphere-II                     by                        stuq@mhv.net

  VexaHedron                          by                        stuq@mhv.net

 MOVIES (ANIMATIONS)
  Hawkins, Richard
   Synergetics Movies         http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/

 PICTURES
  De Jong,  Gerald
   Gallery                      http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/gdj_gall.html
  Fearnley, Chris
   Gallery                       http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/cf_gall.html
  Getty,    Tom
   Polyhedra                      http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tgettys/poly.html
  Hart,     George
   Pavilion of Polyhedrality         http://www.li.net/~george/pavilion.html
  Hawkins,  Richard
   Synergetics Pics            http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/
  Plank,    Jim
   _  http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/keleido-pics/pics.html
   Origami      http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/origami/origami.html
  Urner,    Kirby
    Polyhedra                    http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/ku_gall.html

 SOFTWARE
  Geometry Center   (Univ. of Minnesota)               software@geom.umn.edu
  Geometry Forum                                http://forum.swarthmore.edu/
  Geomview 1.1 (3mb)       ftp://geom.umn.edu/pubgeomview/geomview-bin.tar.Z
  Miscellaneous                  http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/sw_gall.html
  PolyWog    3-D Modeling program   by Elizabeth Kommit         chao@CRL.COM

TEXTS
  Essay on Synergetics      (Gerald De Jong)
                                    http://www.xs4all.com/~gdj/synerget.html
  Comments About the Book 'Synergetics'
                 http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/bucky/buckminster_fuller.html
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GLOSSARY
  Bucky Glossary              http://metro.turnpike.net/G/GoatBoy/bucky.html
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INTERNET RELAY CHAT (IRC)
  Discussion of Fuller's Ideas (Sundays)                     /join #geodesic
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LISTS, SUBSCRIPTION (l = lowercase "L", not 1)
  Geodesic        (RBF's Works Discussion)      listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
  Mission-Earth   (Whole Earth Simulation)        listserv@listserv.ncsu.edu
  Synergetics-l   (Synergetics Discussion)            majordomo@teleport.com

  Wholeinfo-l     (Summary  of Wholesys-l)               listserv@netcom.com
  Wholesys-l      (Abundance   Economics )               listserv@netcom.com
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MAGAZINES (PAPER AND ELECTRONIC)
  DOME magazine       (Paper, Don. Hoflin, ed, Quarterly,CO) donh@hoflin.com

  Synergetica         (Paper, Russell Chu, ed; Back Issues Only) bfi@aol.com
  Synergetics Journal (Paper,      ?     , ed, Santa Barbara)    bfi@aol.com
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MAPS, GLOBES, ETC.
*ARTICLES (PAPER)
* A New World Map for a New World Order
   WGI                                          xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

*CARDS (PAPER)
  GREETING
   BFI          (4" x 8")                                        bfi@aol.com

* POSTCARDS
*  SpaceShip Earth World Map   (Color; 5.5" x 3.5")
*  BFI                                                           bfi@aol.com

*CHARTS
* Star                  http://galaxy.einet.net/mall/Jill-Swift/geodome.html

*GLOBES
* FOLD-UP (PAPERBOARD)
*  Dymaxion Sky-Ocean      (5.5"diam; Color w/Population; S.S.Earth ed.)
*   BFI                                                          bfi@aol.com
*  Fuller Projection       (5.5"diam; Color)
*   WGI                                         xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
*  Dymaxion Globe          (6.0"diam; 4-Color)
*   GENI                                                       geni@cerf.net

  INFLATABLE
*  EarthBall               (??" x ??"; Satellite Images; Eric J. Morris)
*   Spherical Visions                                    eric@pacificrim.net

* POP-UP (PAPERBOARD)
*  Earth from Space        (5"diam; Color)
*   GeoSphere          http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html

*MAPS
  CLASSROOM (PAPER)
                (12' x 26' Vinyl)
                                                xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

* GYMNASIUM
*

  OUTLINE (PAPER)
                ( 3' x  6' Laminate)
                                                xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

  PLAYGROUND
                (31' x 65' Stencil)
                                                xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

  WALL (PAPER)
                (34" x 22" Color Raleigh Edition)
   BFI                                                           bfi@aol.com
                (35" x 22" Grip-Kitrick)
   WGI                                          xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
                (38" x 23" Color Donnelley Edition)
   BFI                                                           bfi@aol.com

*POSTERS (PAPER)
* Dymaxion Map with Global Energy Grid  (34" x 22"; 4-Color)
*  GENI                                                        geni@cerf.net
* Geosphere             (Six Global Views: 24" x 36")
*  GeoSphere Project    http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html

*PROJECTS
* GeoSphere Project      (Tom van Sant)
*                       http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geospher.html

*PUZZLES
* Dymaxion World Map     (Wood; Color; ??" x ??")
*  Pacific Puzzles                                               bfi@aol.com

*SOFTWARE
  MAPS
   Global Recall         (Countries, World; MAC)
    WGI                                         xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

* ANIMATIONS
*  Spherical Anims of Earth's Cloudforms   (Pending; Eric J. Morris; PC?)
*   Spherical Visions                                    eric@pacificrim.net
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MEDIA, MAGNETIC
 COMPACT DISKS (CD'S)
* Introduction to Bucky Fuller       (Pending)
*  Blaine D'Amico                                  damico@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

* World Game               (pending)            xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

 DISKS
  FLOPPIES
*  Global Recall                                xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

  Hard, Removable Cartriges

 TAPES
  AUDIOTAPES
   Around the Universe in 90 Minutes               ( 1.5 hrs)    bfi@aol.com
   Buckminster Fuller: The 50 Year Experiment      ( 1.5 hrs)    bfi@aol.com
   Everything I Know                               (40.0 hrs)    bfi@aol.com

  COMPUTER

  VIDEOTAPES
   A Win-Win Solution                              (15 min)    geni@cerf.net
   Dome-It-Yourself                                (45 min)kingdome@mmedia.is
   Dymaxion Lab:Experiment in Individual Initiative(?? min)      bfi@aol.com
   Dymaxion Lab: What Individual Can Do            (60 min)      bfi@aol.com
   Ecological Design: Inventing the Future         (?? min)      bfi@aol.com
   Modeling the Universe                           (15 min)      bfi@aol.com
   Selected Ideas of Buckminster Fuller (PD)       (55 min)    geni@cerf.net
   What If...A New Global Option                   (15 min)    geni@cerf.net
   World of Buckminster Fuller                     (90 min)      bfi@aol.com
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MEDICAL
*AIDS
  Aids (Icosa Virus Pics)         http://www.bocklabs.wisc.edu/virusviz.html

*HEALTH
  Health Care    http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drhealth.html
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MUSIC
*
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NEWSGROUPS
*ENERGY
  Energy                                                          sci.energy
  Energy, Renewable                                     alt.energy.renewable

*FOOD
* Agriculture                                                sci.agriculture

*GENERAL
  Fuller     (Geodesic List Gateway)                   bit.listserv.geodesic

*HOUSING
  Housing                                       alt.architecture.alternative

*POPULATION
*
*SYSTEMS
* Global                                            alt.earth.system.science

*TRANSPORTATION
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NEWSLETTERS
  Trimtab             (BFI,  Paper)                              bfi@aol.com
  GENI                (GENI, Paper)                            geni@cerf.net
  Global Peace Gaming (GLOSAS, Electronic; back issues) GLOSAS@vm1.mcgill.ca
  World Game Report   (WGI,  Paper)             xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
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ORGANIZATIONS
 Buckminster Fuller Institute              (BFI)
  General                                                        bfi@aol.com
  Newsletter: Trimtab       (Paper)                              bfi@aol.com
  WWW                                            http://

 Critical Path Project (FIX BBS)           (CPP)
  General                                               kiyoshi@critpath.org
  WWW                                            http://www.critpath.org/

 Global Energy Network International (GENI; Peter Meisen, Dir)
* E-MAIL
*  Internet                                                    geni@cerf.net
*  AOL                                                      geniproj@aol.com
*  Compuserve                                       75543.520@compuserve.com
*  WWW Home Page                                        http://www.geni.org/
* Newsletter: "GENI"  (Paper)                                  geni@cerf.net

  Bucky Centennial                  http://www.cerf.net/geni/Text/COVER.html

 Global Systems Analysis & Simulation Assn (GLOSAS)
  General                                               GLOSAS@vmi.mcgill.ca
  WWW                                                   http://

 Mission Earth (ME)
* Gottfried Mayer-Kress                            gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu
* Home Page (Santa Fe)             http://www.santafe.edu/~gmk/MissionEarth/
  UIUC            http://www.ccsr.uiuc.edu/People/gmk/Projects/MissionEarth/

 New Civilizaion Network (NCN)
  Steingrubner, Joachim                                       jhs@newciv.org
   Bucky Stuff                    http://www.primenet.com/~jhs/geostuff.html
  Funch,        Flemming
   Bucky Text                   http://www.protree.com/worldtrans/bucky.html
  Bucky Pics                      http://www.newciv.org/Bucky/BuckyPics.html
  Synergetic Geometry             http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/

  Synergetics Institute
   Araki, Yoshiaki            http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/index.html
   About Fuller         http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t93827ya/dome/fuller.html

 World Game Institute                      (WGI)
  Headquarters (Drexel Univ.)                   xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
  Chuck Dingee, West Coast of North America Representative
                      http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/WGI.html
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PATENTS, SEARCHES
*Internet Patent News Service
*                               http://sunsite.unc.edu/patents/intropat.html
*Town Hall
*                                   http://town.hall.org/cgi-bin/srch-patent
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PICTURES, COLLECTIONS, MISCELLANEOUS, ETC.
*HOLOGRAMS
  3-D World Wide Holograms (Mark Diamond)                hologram@shadow.net

*PUBLIC DOMAIN
* MOORE, JOE
   0.8meg                      ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/Buckypics.lha
   2.0meg        ftp://switchboard.ftp.com/bucky/joe.moore.buckypics.jpg.tgz
   1.0meg                         ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore1.zip
   1.0meg                         ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore2.zip
   1.3meg                         ftp://ftp.newciv.org/pub/Bucky/jmoore3.zip
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POETRY
*
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POPULATION, TRENDS, ETC.
  General           http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drpop.html
  U.N. Population Div   gopher://gopher.undp.org/11/ungophers/popin/wdtrends
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QUOTES, BUCKY
  No More Second Hand God (Ch 3, pp 41-4)  http://www.emf.net/~mal/grok.html
  Synergetics
  Synergetics II
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SEARCH ENGINES (KEYWORDS: "GEODESIC", "BUCKMINSTER", ETC)
* Archie (FTP Archive File Name Searches)
*  (Telnet; Login: archie)                                archie.rutgers.edu

  Gopher Title Searches     (Telnet Login: gopher)  consultant.micro.umn.edu

  Web Crawler   http://webcrawler.cs.washington.edu/WebCrawler/WebQuery.html

  Wide Area Info Service (WAIS) FullText (Telnet Login:wais) quake.think.com
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SIMULATIONS, GLOBAL
*ARTICLES (PAPER)
* Games-Interactive Learning Environments       (author ?)
*  EMD org                                      xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
* Planning Diseases                             (   ?    )
*  Futurist mag                                 xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
* What Does Peace Mean?                         (   ?    )
*  WGI                                          xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
* World Game at Twenty                          (author ?)
*  Futurist mag                                 xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

*SOFTWARE
* Geosphere Project   (Tom van Sant)
*                      http://infolane.com/infolane/geosphere/geosphere.html

* Global Recall Solutions Lab    (Floppies)
*  WGI                                          xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

* Global Recall Solutions Lab    (CD)  (Pending)
*  WGI                                          xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu

  Mission Earth
                                                   gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu

  Morris, Eric J.
                                                         eric@pacificrim.net

  Multiple User Dimensions (MUDS)                             ?

* World Game Network            (pending)       xtm00002@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
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STATISTICS, GLOBAL
  United Nations                         http://www.undcp.or.at/unlinks.html
  CIA World Fact Book '94      http://www.ic.gov/94fact/fb94toc/fb94toc.html
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TRANSPORTATION
 AIR
  AirCar
   Dymaxion Car (Chris Rywalt)
        http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/crywalt/Bucky_Pics/Bucky_pics.html
  Transports

 LAND
  Mass Transit

 SEA
  Submarines
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UPDATE SERVICES (AUTOMATED E-MAIL)
  BuckminsterFullerene Updates  (Body: "help")     bucky@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu
  NetNews Filtering Server      (Body: "help")       netnews@db.stanford.edu
  Fullerene News   http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/bucky/htmls/bucky.html
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WATER
 Acid Rain    http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drsust.html#SUS4
 Drinking           http://www.pacificrim.net/~wginwrep/WorldGame/drh20.html
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JOE S MOORE           joemoore@cruzio.com    TEL: 408-464-3743
850 PARK AVE, # 3-A                          FAX: 408-479-0733
CAPITOLA, CA 95010      I hereby declare this post to be in the public domain.
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Dear sir,	is the Ag-sieve publication an internet publication? 
Could you tell me more about it? 

sincerely
Emanuele J Gelsi / Dept. of Anthropology and Sociology/ uni of Queensland/
Australia

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Lawrence F. London, Jr. - london@sunSITE.unc.edu 
http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/Information_By_Topic.html
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup) <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: A vague reference - help please (fwd)

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 23:13:37 WST
From: Warwick Rowell <warwick@bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
To: Tom Hodges <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
Subject: A vague reference - help please

A colleague has given me some information about some books which
I am trying to flesh out - can anyone help me?

"4 or 5 thick volumes, now in English, originally in Indian, on 
how to build a whole range of "tools" for village technology."

If you also know where they are available, that information would
also be much appreciated.

(The IT publications group in Britain couldn't help)

Many thanks

Warwick 
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>From: Warwick Rowell <warwick@bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
>To: Tom Hodges <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
>Subject: A vague reference - help please
>
>A colleague has given me some information about some books which
>I am trying to flesh out - can anyone help me?
>
>"4 or 5 thick volumes, now in English, originally in Indian, on 
>how to build a whole range of "tools" for village technology."
>
>If you also know where they are available, that information would
>also be much appreciated.

This rings a bell with me...but i cannot place the material accurately. 
I suggest inquiring of the Rodale Library of agricultaural materials, c/o
Rodale Pres, Emmaus, Pennsylvania. 

cat yronwode

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>From: Warwick Rowell <warwick@bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
>To: Tom Hodges <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
>Subject: A vague reference - help please
>
>A colleague has given me some information about some books which
>I am trying to flesh out - can anyone help me?
>
>"4 or 5 thick volumes, now in English, originally in Indian, on 
>how to build a whole range of "tools" for village technology."
>
>If you also know where they are available, that information would
>also be much appreciated.

This rings a bell with me...but i cannot place the material accurately. 
I suggest inquiring of the Rodale Library of agricultaural materials, c/o
Rodale Pres, Emmaus, Pennsylvania. 

cat yronwode

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           Healthy Soil, Healthy Food, Healthy People

                       Rodale Institute
            611 Siegfriedale Rd., Kutztown, PA 19530
            Tel: (610) 683-1400  Fax: (610) 683-8548
              ____________________________________

**********************
Contacts Requested
**********************
Upcoming Edition: Permaculture

The Rodale Institute is a non-profit organization involved in research and
education in the field of  organic agriculture based on regenerative
principles.  The Rodale Institute Global Programs is in the process of
re-vamping its Ag-Sieve publication.  Like previous issues, the new
publications will focus on current topics in regenerative agriculture and
soil health.  It will be in a factsheet-type format and a great deal of
emphasis will be placed on providing our readers with contact information
relevant to the particular topic of each issue.

If anyone - including individuals, organizations, universities, etc. - in
the field of regenerative agriculture or soil health would like to be
listed as a contact in a future Ag-Sieve publication, please respond to the
email address below.  We are now compiling a contact list for the
Permaculture issue.  Those organizations and individuals with expertise in
this field should contact us as soon as possible if interested in being
listed as a contact in this edition.  International organizations are
strongly encouraged to apply.

In addition,the Rodale Institute is interested in learning of other
people's experiences with Permaculture.  Please feel free to send us
information on your permaculture farm and/or any related experiences you
have had with Permaculture.

Include the name of your organization, the address, and phone/fax/email
information.  Some type of general information about your organization,
such as a brochure or recent newsletter, that could be sent to us would
also be very useful for us to keep on file.  Please be sure to indicate
your area of expertise.


All information can be sent to:

William Landesman
Rodale Institute Research Center
611 Siegfriedale Road
Kutztown, PA 19530

phone: (610)683-1458
fax:       (610)683-8548
email:  r6831459@postoffice.ptd.net

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
William Landesman
Rodale Institute


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From: Tomas Hansmeyer <hansm001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu

With the amazing fact in hand that 80% of grain produced goes to meat
production, one begins to wonder what would be so wrong with returning those
cows to graze on 80%of the cropland in the US.  Oh you say, we are able to
grow much more beef by feeding high energy crops within the context of a
feedlot.  As you may have already percieved, I am not so sure.  It would
seem to me that if our perspective on meet production were to be challenged
more strongly,  alternatives would present themselves.  Image a breed of
animal (cow,pig,chicken) which would have the ability to gain very
efficiently from grazing.  What is so interesting to me is that the
philosophy which created the feedlot corn fed beef is continuing.  Take for
example the concept of (pass through) protein.  The goal being to prevent
protein from being digested in the ruman.  In effect the goal is to totally
disregard or avoid the ruman.  But how can this be accomplished when the
animal is indeed a ruminant, then to disregard the animal, to dis-aquaint
ourselves from the ruman.  Why not concentrate on the rumen and return these
animals to their home!!!   

Tomas

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           Healthy Soil, Healthy Food, Healthy People

                       Rodale Institute
            611 Siegfriedale Rd., Kutztown, PA 19530
            Tel: (610) 683-1400  Fax: (610) 683-8548
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact:  Scott Overholt
August 8, 1995                                             
610-967-8497
scottrodin@aol.com


Rodale Institute announced today the formation of its Global 
Programs and Global Communications structure. "Our mission is to work 
with people worldwide to achieve a regenerative food system that 
enhances environmental and human health," says Anthony Rodale, Vice 
Chair of the Institute.  "Our research has proven it can be done.  We 
know people want it. Our next challenge is to make the successful 
ideas available and useful to everyone."

Global Programs, headed by Jonathon Landeck, will operate 
Regenerative Agriculture Resource Centers (RARCs) in Senegal, 
Guatemela, Russia and the United States. The U.S. RARC will be 
directed by Laurie Drinkwater.

"The RARCs work with farmers on their own land" notes Landeck.  
"It's how ideas and research are put to work to benefit people.  Our 
success in Senegal and Guatemela showed that this approach works 
best.  The communications program will spread the successes of the 
RARCs even further."

The RARC model emphasizes on-farm applied research, demonstration 
and communication.  It uses the land of the participating farmers 
themselves to develop and extend regenerative farming practices using 
local resources.

Jonathon Landeck earned his doctorate in Agricultural Extension 
Education from Michigan State University, and an M.S. in soil science 
from Texas A&M.  He is fluent in French, and conversational in 
Spanish.  Landeck's career includes diversified assignments  in the 
U.S. and Africa.  

Laurie Drinkwater earned a PhD in Zoology At the University of 
California, Davis, where she applied her emphasis in ecology and 
invertebrate biology to the study of soil life in the Deparment of 
Vegetable Crops.   Drinkwater joined Rodale Institute in 1993.

The Rodale Institute Research Center, in Kutztown, PA, has been 
renamed the Rodale Institute Experimental Farm.  "The new name 
reflects our ongoing committment to  innovative experimentation, as 
well as our desire to make it a more integrated, organic farm," 
explains Rodale.  "We develop and demonstrate successful organic 
methods for  growing healthy food for people, using compost as the 
main soil regeneration technology."

The farm will be a complete center for research, education and 
communication. Currently, a two-acre site is being prepared for 
Rodale's new School of Practical Composting.  The School is a 
five-day, intensive course on commercial scale composting, based on 
what Rodale researchers are learning from their three-year-old 
Compost Utilization Trial.  

The new structure significantly enhances the staff at Rodale 
Institute.  Dr. Amadou Diop, the current Senegal RARC director and 
recipient of the 1995 Award for Excellence in Development from the 
Center for the African Cause, has been named Technical Director of 
Global Programs.  Diop earned a doctorate in agronomy from Oregon 
State University. He is fluent in Russian, French, English, and 
Spanish.

In addition, a Socio-economic Director will be hired to give Rodale 
Institute greater capability in gender-related programming (to 
increase women's participation), community development, and 
monitoring and evaluation.

"Agricultural research should have as its ultimate goal the health 
of people, environment, and communities," declares John Haberern, 
President of Rodale Institute.  The soil provides us with life.  The 
quality of that life depends on the quality of the soil itself.  We 
believe farmers and farming practices can contribute a lot to the 
health of people worldwide."

To begin to reconnect soil, food and human health in the minds of 
the leading scientists in each field, and to connect the scientists 
and the fields themselves, Rodale Institute is working with Tufts 
University to plan the first International Conference on the Effects 
of  Farming Practices on Food Quality.  The conference is expected to 
be held in late summer, 1997, co-sponsored by Tuft's Center for 
Agriculture, Food and the Environment.

"Can you imagine what will happen when a farmer, a nutritionist and 
a doctor get face to face and realize they are connected to each 
other in the chain of health, and that what each does affects us all? 
 We're attempting to break down the barriers of specialization and 
get back to the whole picture."

Rodale Institute is also collaborating with the World Bank, in an 
affort to ensure that future agricultural projects funded by the bank 
are designed to regenerate, not deplete, local soil and other 
resources.  A workshop to develop project assessment criteria is 
being held at the Rodale Institute Experimental Farm August 14 - 15.  
Paul O'Connell, the first  Director of the U.S. Department of 
Agriculture's Center for Alternative Agriculture Research and 
Commercialization (AARC) is representing Rodale Institute in the 
Agriculture and Natural Resources Department of the World Bank. 

The Institute's plans for 1996 include adding new education and 
electronic communication activities.  "Our research has given us all 
the confidence to move forward and talk with consumers, policymakers, 
food industry leaders and youth about the idea that what they eat and 
how it's grown has a lot to do with how long they live, how good they 
feel, and how secure they are.  We'll be spreading our resources more 
evenly between research and commmunication,"  Haberern explains.

Global Communications, directed by Scott Overholt, will operate the 
Rodale Institute Experimental Farm as an education center, and 
develop the Institute's publishing capacity, with an emphasis on 
electronic communication.

The Global Communications group will be charged with setting up a 
global communications hub, where information on regenerative and 
organic agriculture, and their relation to environmental and human 
health, will be gathered, organized and disseminated.  Electronic 
communications will be added to Rodale Institute's traditional 
strength in print publishing and database management.  Rodale 
Institute's Russia RARC has already applied a successful 
communications model in that country which will be adapted to Rodale 
Institute's U.S. headquarters in Kutztown, Pennsylvania.

All of Rodale Institute's people and programs will continue to focus 
on growing organic foods using regenerative principles.  

"We have been working to show the vital link between healthy soil, 
healthy food and healthy people since my grandfather first said it in 
1947, says Anthony Rodale.  "Our organization started small and 
humbly with thirty acres and an idea.  Because of the support we've 
received from around the world, Rodale Institute is prepared to lead 
the way into a future where what's good for people and what's good 
for the earth are seen as the same - where there needn't be any 
tradeoffs, one for the other.  If we feed the soil, the soil will 
feed us.  It's nature's way."

"It's amazing how many people feel that way now, how many allies we 
have, how many successes there are.  Our goal at Rodale Institute is 
to bring it all together, and make the tools for success available to 
everyone, everywhere."

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Rodale Institute is an independent, non-profit organization under 
section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code.  It is a publicly-supported 
charity and is not affiliated with Rodale Press or any other 
for-profit corporation.   

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Can anybody help me ? The QLD government has just passed an urgent 
amendment allowing the crop farmers to aerial spray strychnine on 
to crops, thus protecting them from the - yet again - mouse plague.
What can I do besides faxing the government and telling them their a 
bunch of cretons ?

As an aside, I'm after any Fukuoka publications - any one got any 
spare ?

One more, I was at the 5th Int PC Copenhagen, and would really like a 
copy of the proceedings, can anyone help ? I'm currently at the Dept. 
of Botany, University of Queensland. 

mellow mulching,
Matthew Kovacs
Botany dept.
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Australia.
M.Kovacs@botany.uq.edu.au.

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From: Emanuele John Gelsi <s100962@student.uq.edu.au>
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dear Matt, 
	  the only thing I can think of about an alternative to stricnine 
is looking at the cause of the mouse plague or at increasing the presence 
of possible predators, eg cats, kookaburras (?) and other birds. Or maybe 
decresing the mice's sources of food by making them more inaccessible. 
	Besides that I don't know (I'm only a sociologist after all). 

Besides this what was Copenhagen like?

Emanuele John Gelsi
Dept of Anthropology and Sociology
Uni of Queensland (!)


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From: therese . M. Hildebrand <76473.64@compuserve.com>
To: sanmessage <sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu>
Subject: multi-use leaf crops

Hello,

I work with trying to help people, especially in the tropics, improve their
health by making better use of leaf crops in their diets.  An area that I need
some help researching is the  partial harvest of leaves from multi-purpose
crops.  For  example,  winter wheat being grazed until snowfall then recovering
in the spring to produce a seed crop.  I am having a very hard time finding
information about this agricultural technique, which seems to have a lot of
potential for increasing total nutrient production for peasant farmers and
gardeners.  These folks often suffer from malnutrition and often have to produce
food for their families on very small parcels of land. This seems like a
technique that doesn't require any capital investment to increase food
production,  just some practical information.  

Edible wild greens and garden and field weeds can contribute significantly to
the food supply when combined with improved leaf drying techniques.  I feel that
the use of partial leaf  harvests  from cultivated crops would greatly
strengthen this strategy. But it is quite difficult finding information about
it. 

I would very much appreciate any help in the search for information along these
lines (including anything on the grazing of winter wheat).  So far I've seen one
article on partial leaf harvest of Cassava in Zaire, which I can no longer
locate, and the following mention of partial leaf harvest of cowpeas:
	"According to Oomen and Grubben, some African farmers believe that a
moderate harvest of cowpea leaves and stem tips (about 2T/ha) at flowering
increases seed yield, while removing over 4 t/ha reduces seed yield. "  I  did
some encouraging rough studies with okra and sweet potatoes but without strict
enough control or enough replications  to rely on. 

Among the crops grown commercially that have edible leaves as a potential
secondary value are: 
Abelmoschus esculentus			Okra	
Allium cepa				Onion		
Allium sativum				Garlic	
Amaranthus cruentus			Mexican grain amaranth
Artocarpus heterophyllus			Jackfruit			
Benincasa hispida				Wax gourd 			
Beta vulgaris					Sugar beet
Boermeria nivea				Ramie
Capsicum annuum				Sweet pepper

Capsicum frutescens				Hot Pepper

Carica papaya				Papaya
Chenopodium quinoa			Quinoa
Clitoria ternatea				Butterfly pea

Colocasia esculenta				Celery Stem Taro
Cucurbita maxima				squash gourd

Cucurbita pepo				summer squash			
Cyamopsis tetragolonobus  			Guar, or Cluster bean
Hordeum vulgare				Barley

Ipomoea batatas				Sweet potatoes

Lablab purpureus				Hyacinth bean, lab lab
Phaseous vulgaris				Common Bean
Pisum sativa 					Garden Peas
Psophocarpus tetragonolobus		Winged bean	
Raphanus sativus				Radish	
Sechium edule				Chayote			
Sesamum indicum				Sesame

Spondias purpurea				Spanish Plum, Jocote
Tamarindus indica				Tamarind

Telfairia occidentalis				Fluted Pumpkin			
Trigonella foenum-graecum			Fenugreek

Triticum x aestivum 				Wheat
Vigna radiata					Mung bean
Vigna umbellata				Rice bean 
Vigna unguiculata				Cowpea
Vitis vinifera					Grape


Thanks for any information or leads on where to find it.  Peace and Light,
David Kennedy


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Greetings to all on the quietest list on the Net! Any WWW-sites that carry
permaculture related material? I would love to know!

Keep up the culture!

Petrus

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On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Petrus Saaiman wrote:

> Greetings to all on the quietest list on the Net! Any WWW-sites that carry
> permaculture related material? I would love to know!
> 
> Keep up the culture!
> 
> Petrus

Yes. See below.

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/* Written  8:36 PM  Aug 18, 1995 by pgan in peg:susag.permacul */
/* ---------- "RFI: Permaculture at Bejing Women's" ---------- */
Pam Gray, Australian Permaculture teacher and activist, will be at 
the Beijing NGO Forum on Women (30 Aug 95 to 12 Sep 95).

Request for information:

Pam asks if anyone knows of other women associated with
Permaculture who will be attending the conference.

---
Pam can be found at the Permaculture display in the OFAN pavillion.
As part of her presentation on Permaculture she will be a
discussion leader at the "problem solving corner" which will
deal with issues like health, food, gardening, waste, and empowerment.

Pam can be contacted at any time by email through me,
Adam Tiller: adamt@peg.pegasus.oz.au

or when she returns from Beijing at

Pamela Gray
PO Box 188
Milton NSW 2538

---
Permaculture Global Assistance Network
12 Derby St
Kew VIC 3101
Melbourne, Australia
tel/fax: +61 3 9853 6828
email: pgan@peg.pegasus.oz.au

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           Healthy Soil, Healthy Food, Healthy People

                       Rodale Institute
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POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT
Socioeconomic Director

Rodale Institute (RI), located in Kutztown, Pennsylvania, seeks an
individual to fill the position of Socioeconomic Director of Global
Programs (SDGP).  The SDGP will work within a three-person management
unit to:

* ensure that social and economic issues are adequately addressed in
RI's global programs, especially issues related to gender and
community development;
* oversee the monitoring and evaluation of program results and
impacts;
* develop existing and new program initiatives and seek
opportunities to sustain these initiatives;
* represent RI in the public sphere as needed.

Rodale Institute's mission is to work with people worldwide to
achieve a regenerative food system that renews environmental and
human health.  The Institute's current activities are based upon a
model called the Regenerative Agriculture Resource Center (RARC) that
integrates applied research, education, and communication activities.
 Current RARC projects are implemented in the United States, Senegal,
Guatemala, and Russia.  The position is available in October, 1995.
The ideal candidate will possess:

* an advanced degree, preferably a doctorate or equivalent, in a
social science (includes anthropology, sociology, economics,
political science, education, etc.);
* fluency in a language/s other than English, preferably Spanish and
ideally French as well;
* administrative experience in the publicor pivate sector;
* supervisory experience in the workplace;
* expece in monitoring and evaluation;
* knowledge of and working experience with issues related to natural
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* demonstrated capability in successfully attracting financial
resources for programmatic purposes;
* exceptional writing and public speaking skills;
* ability to travel outside the U.S. for periods of at least two
week duration, at least four times per year;
* knowledge and familiarity with computers and electronic
communication.
* legal resident status in the U.S. (this is a U.S.-based position);

Please send a brief cover letter and curriculum vitae by September
16, 1995 via postal or electronic mail to:

Jonathon Landeck
Director, Global Programs
Rodale Institute
611 Siegfriedale Road
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Graham Bell here.  Hallo.  Web wandering and working it out.  Pages soon to come
I don't detect any coherent Permaculture presence on the web,
and am moved to work this up.  Ideas? Response?  

Cheers!

Graham...

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Hello to all !
Do any directories exist for sites (that welcome visitors ) with established 
permaculture plantings ?
The lists of shade tolerant/salt tolerant/multiple use/nitrogen 
fixing/edible landscaping...etc... plants that are found in all permaculture 
books are interesting to look at, as are the diagrams of integrated 
chicken/rabbit/aquaculture systems... but as I continue to hear about all 
the nomadic permaculture teachers... I start to wonder just where are the 
established permaculture plantings and who is taking care of them.

If a directory of established permaculture sites does not exist or one that 
includes the U.S. does not exist... we should compile one.
Look forward to comments ...
Joel
gruverj@css.orst.edu

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Grahma Bell wrote: 

>Graham Bell here.  Hallo.  Web wandering and working it out.  

Wow...

Hello, Graham. 

Uh...i like your writing....

have you seen the web sites Larry London has for permaculture stuff? i have
not checked them out yet, but the addresses are 

http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/Information_By_Topic.html
http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/permaculture.html

for more information, contact Lawrence F. London, Jr. -
london@sunSITE.unc.edu 


Your fan...catherine yronwode

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Greetings.  Not on the web yet, but your putting info on it is addt'l 
motivation to do so.  Have so enjoyed your writing, and look forward to seeing 
the web sites on permaculture and the info you put together. 
Regards, Carol Walker, Minneapolis, MN

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Hello Graham.  Have so much enjoyed your book on permaculture! Just getting 
introduced to it all and delighted to find a system with such principles. Not 
yet on the web, but when I get there will look forward to seeing whatever info 
you have for it. Regards, Carol Walker, Minneapolis MN

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Hi all, Am just new to permaculture.  Found and am really enjoying Graham 
Bell's book on pc. - Excited to see his hello on the list. Have ordered from 
library Bill Mollison's 'Intro to Permaculture' and would like to own it. Is 
there a U.S. source for these books? Don't see them in local bookstores. 
Thanks for any suggestions. Carol Walker, Minneapolis MN

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Hi..This is in answer to Petrus, and for others who might be able to use 
info.Sorry for multiple posting re books - new to permacul.*and* to 
computer.Here's book info:  "The Permaculture Way: Practical Steps to Create a 
Self-Sustaining World", by Graham Bell. Thorsons:London, 1992.  Forward by 
David Bellamy.  Introduction by Bill Mollison. It's a wonderful, 
clearly-written book!  Carol

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>Graham Bell here.  Hallo.  Web wandering and working it out.  Pages soon to come
>I don't detect any coherent Permaculture presence on the web,
>and am moved to work this up.  Ideas? Response?  
>

There appears to be the usual gaggle & hype of activists, organisers
and global support persons strutting their stuff, but nobody doing
anything useful like getting their own food onto their own dinner
table. 

As usual . . .  :-(((((




 

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The next person they spied was a bandicoot carrying a watermelon. At
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was being done by a small pair of legs attached to the watermelon, and
a third glance would have disclosed that the legs were atteched to a
bandicoot.                           Norman Lindsay, The Magic Pudding
 

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>
>If a directory of established permaculture sites does not exist or one that 
>includes the U.S. does not exist... we should compile one.
>Look forward to comments ...

There are a lot of sites around here you should look at, although I
doubt very much that any would want them listed in a directory. Far
too much rampancy and not enough productivity, from my observations.

I am coming to wonder often these days whether we ought to include
some discussion of good ol' Okkam's Razor in every Design Course. The
MINIMUM number of elements sufficient to complete the theory, and all
that . . . 



 



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At 11:48 PM 8/19/95 -700, GrahamBell wrote:
>Graham Bell here.  Hallo.  


Hi Graham!  Your book inspired my Permaculture Design Certificate Course
Project actually... 

    
>Web wandering and working it out.  Pages soon to come.


Great stuff!  I'm sure I'm not alone in expressing excitement at this statement.


>I don't detect any coherent Permaculture presence on the web,
>and am moved to work this up.  Ideas? Response?


The mail responses so far have identified what 'presence' there is. 

I have just completed a Design Certificate Course and the enthusiasm that
was with me throughout the course (especially during the weekend with David
Holmgren!!!) has not left.  That coupled with the disappointment I felt when
I searched the Net for Permaculture has led me to learn HTML!  And so a Web
Page is in the making.  Great minds, eh?  :)   

Once again I look forward to your Page.

Carmela 

                 
'The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the
cultivation and perfection of human beings'.   Masanobu Fukuoka - 'The
One-Straw Revolution'

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Lawrence F. London, Jr. - london@sunSITE.unc.edu 
http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/Information_By_Topic.html
http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/permaculture.html
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:35:08 EDT
From: KIRSTEN FAHRENKAMP OF PARTNERSHIPS <KFEHRENKAMP@cite.esusda.gov>
To: sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu
Subject: Preserving Farmland

Mary Feldblum,

The loss of farmland in your state, New Mexico, is a problem 
that is occurring with increasing speed across the nation.  Many local 
communities and states are grappling with this and coming up with 
creative solutions, such as zoning, land trusts, purchase of 
development rights (PDR's), transfer of development rights (TDR's), 
and farmer/public owner partnerships.

Your best bet would be to contact some of the following organizations 
to learn about some of these strategies and local solutions:
    Trust for Public Land
    P.O. Box 2383
    Sante Fe, NM 87504
    (505) 988-5922
    
    Farmland Preservation Report
    900 La Grange Road
    Street, MD 21154
    (301) 692-9741
    
    American Farmland Trust
    1920 N Street, NW, Suite 400
    Washington, DC 20036
    (202) 659-5170
    
    Natural Lands Trust
    1031 Palmers Mill Rd.
    Media, PA 19063
    (215) 353-5587,   and
    
    Land Trust Alliance
    900 17th Street, NW, Suite 410
    Washington, DC 20006
    (202) 785-1410
    
    Goodluck........Some of these organizations and their programs are 
quite interesting.    
       
*********************
Kirsten Fehrenkamp
Agriculture, Food, and Environment 
Tufts University




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On Sun, 20 Aug 1995, Gil Hardwick wrote: 
                                                                                 
> There appears to be the usual gaggle & hype of activists, organisers 
> and global support persons strutting their stuff, but nobody doing 
> anything useful like getting their own food onto their own dinner 
> table. 
>

Speak for yourself, Gil. We have been feasting off our garden ... hmmm ... 
and its only a first year garden ... and the blackberries are so good ... 
I just don't know how we ever survived when we lived in the city and had
to buy our food at the local stores.  We compost better stuff than you can
buy in town.  
Now that we have the garden in we can start thinking about a house to live
in ... 


Jeff Jacobsen		jjj@otter.wsipc.wednet.edu  

On Sun, 20 Aug 1995, Gil Hardwick wrote:

> There appears to be the usual gaggle & hype of activists, organisers
> and global support persons strutting their stuff, but nobody doing
> anything useful like getting their own food onto their own dinner
> table. 
> 
> As usual . . .  :-(((((
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The next person they spied was a bandicoot carrying a watermelon. At
> first glance you would have thought it was merely a watermelon walking
> by itself, but a second glance would have shown you that the walking
> was being done by a small pair of legs attached to the watermelon, and
> a third glance would have disclosed that the legs were atteched to a
> bandicoot.                           Norman Lindsay, The Magic Pudding
>  
> 

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I replied direct to Graham, but got bounced. So I will post
here so everyone can see it. 


>Hi Graham
>
>Warwick Rowell, from Permaculture in WA. I was in the UK three years 
>ago for your annual get together, and met Andy, George, Simon, etc
>Like Cathy, I too have enjoyed your book.
>
>There is a little bit going on on the net about PC. Not the least of 
>the problems is that PC covers so many damn areas! So for example, 
>I have been but one of a number of fairly consistent contributors to 
>alt.sustainable.agriculture
>rec.gardens
>sci.bio.ecology
>rec.community.gardens
>sci.agriculture
>alt.bio.microbiology
>and various other newsgroups (until just recently, when my supplier 
>dropped his connection!)  
>
>Most are on alt.sustainable.agriculture as this group is the result
>of a merger about two years ago of sust.agric and a very inactive 
>permaculture group that ran as int.permacultur on pegasus and other
>APC networks(?)
>
>More recently there has been a bit of a dialogue going on on maxlife,
>frugal, sustainable agriculture education - (SAED), and Gil Hardwick has
>recently established Farmnet. 
>
>In Western Australia, under the impetus of preparing for IPC6 in Sep 96:
>1. Lynne Naylor updated the international directory; Peter Austin 
>(on behalf of PAWA) maintains this electronically; copies have been 
>despatched back to the Journal and the Institute at Lismore.
>2. I have Emailed everybody possible on the directory (with only two 
>bounces: Malaysia and Netherlands)) about IPC6.
>3. Started developing two WEB pages; one via Perma; a subscription group
>available through EEPO, and the other via Peter Austin at Edith Cowan 
>University (who has been a key person in the LETS computer software 
>development). I saw teh registration of Interest document on the Web 
page last night.
>4. Been talking with Mike Smith in Canberra about doing more in PC 
>networks; he has a great list of Pc subjects.
>5. Responded to the recent Rodale Institute enquiry; Peter has passed the 
>Directory on to them, I have written to them about IPC6, passed on some
>material that I use for defining PC, and told them a little about my 
>activities; PACE and the 140ha 70 housesite village I am developing.
>6. Posted notices of the IPC6 conference to all of the above groups.
> 
>That's how it looks from this part of the world.. Hope this 
>perspective helps. Any additions? Let's find out about what everybody else
>is doing and save inventing any unnecessary wheels.
>
>Wx    
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|                  warwick.rowell@eepo.com.au                  |
|        20 Onslow Rd Shenton Pk 6008 Western Australia        |
|  Partner, Permaculture Applications Consultancy & Education  |
|                                                              |  
|     Management Consultant     Permaculture Designer          |
|___"Helping Managers Learn"___"Helping Land Managers Learn"___|

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>
>Speak for yourself, Gil. We have been feasting off our garden ... hmmm ... 
>and its only a first year garden ... and the blackberries are so good ... 
>I just don't know how we ever survived when we lived in the city and had
>to buy our food at the local stores.  We compost better stuff than you can
>buy in town.  
>Now that we have the garden in we can start thinking about a house to live
>in ... 
>

You appear to be speaking for me very well indeed, Jeff. Thanks for
telling us all about your success. 

More power to all the real farmers and gardeners out there, using
Permaculture Design to get where they wanted to go, or just good old
fashioned common sense! 






~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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about money, just look at some of the yahoos he gives it too.
                                                            Herb Cohen

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Joel asked about PC sites.

Here is what I am aware of; and what we are doing; fill in the 
huge gaps, so we all know what the state of play is. Many 
people will be wanting to visit various sites on their way to 
IPC6 in Sep 96, so we need to know what is going on.

World wide there is the WWOOFers network, which now has many 
permaculture properties listed; you must join as both a host 
and a potential visitor.
 
The UK people published a little booklet about four years ago 
called "The Permaculture Plot", A5, two or four page spread 
for about fifty sites through Great britain.

In the US there is an electronic network with similar objectives 
called Homestead, which has an occasional post of people who 
are prepared to make their places open to visitors.

In Western Australia we have a one line demonstration garden 
list, published by the Permaculture Institute here. We also 
have (at least) two gardens in the open garden scheme, just 
starting up in WA.

The Land Management Society, a group of Innovative farmers, 
received a grant about ten years ago to produce four A4 pages 
on farming properties, and have distributed many hundreds of 
copies of seventeen brochures.

Many have used them as a means of obtaining some payment; 
selling them to visitors for $5, as a small recompense for the 
time they spend managing the terrorists, sorry tourists. From 
our experience there, let me say that it both absolutely 
necessary and absolutely okay to be very very assertive about 
visitors; times, charges, limits, and so on. 99% will 
understand, and accede to your requests. 1% will be absolute 
a..holes however much you give them; some expect you to
give you the benefits of your life's work for nothing ....

So charge them if you want them to value your stuff.
   
Wx
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|                                                              |  
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To all peramculturists
The following message may be of interest to the list.

Emanuele Gelsi/ 
University of Qld/ Australia


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mental quick response network.  Milt Coughenour, Moderator rursoc-l
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-------------- Enclosure number 1 ----------------
Stop Eco-Violence!

Quick Response Network established to respond to
worldwide threats against Environmental Activists.


        Global Response, an international environmental
action network based in Boulder, Colorado, has
established a Quick Response Network (QRN) to publicize
and counter threats against activists working to protect
their communities, regions, or nations from environmental
destruction.

        To sign on to the Quick Response Network send
an e-mail message from your modem to:

                  majordomo@igc.apc.org.

In your message all you need type in is the
following text:

                  subscribe globresmembers.

There is no charge for this service.

        Why the Quick Response Network?

        Cases continue to cross our desks describing
threats to, attacks on, and the murders of
representatives of:
        -local or national environmental groups
        -environmental journalists
        -student organizers
        -community leaders
        -indigenous spokespersons

        The forces opposed to environmental protection
include public and private individuals and
organizations.  Unfortunately these elements recognize
that one strategy to derail the environmental movement
is to silence its most eloquent voices.

        Global Response recognizes the need to mobilize
our members and recruit new members to be 'on-call'
to instantly respond to these emergencies.

Examples from this past year include:

  -Unsolved murder in Honduras of forest protection
advocate Jeanette Kawas.  She had vigorously campaigned to
prevent logging in Punta Sal National Park.

  -Deaths of Costa Rican ecologists and activists
Jaime Bustamante, Maria del Mar Cordero, and Oscar
Fallas-Baldi in a suspicious house fire.  These three
were leaders in the campaign to stop a shipping and
industrial complex in the environmentally unique
Golfo Dulce.

  -The murder of Cambodian journalist Chan Dara.
Two days before his murder Chan Dara had received
threats from the military police warning him to stop
his investigations into military involvement in the
illegal timber trade.

  -The arrest of Kenule Saro-Wiwa, a Nigerian
environmental and human rights activist, who was
leading the struggle of the Ogoni people in their
opposition to Shell International Petroleum Company's
operations in the Ogoni's homelands.

  -The murder of dozens of Tarahumara Indians in
Mexico's Sierra Madre by loggers and drug lords
attempting to control the Tarahumara's communal
lands.  Environmentalists working to protect the
Indian's land rights have been threatened,
kidnapped, shot, and tortured.

These cases reached our desk.  How many other cases
went unnoticed by the outside world?  The Quick
Response clearinghouse will:

        -receive information on cases involving
        threats to environmental advocates, and
        -develop a Quick Response Environmentalist
        Action (QREA) to e-mail to our international
        membership for immediate action.

        The QREA will include:

        -a case summary
        -recommended actions providing suggestions on
        what you should say in your letters/faxes/phone
        calls /e-mail messages
        -additional background information on the issue
        -the name, address, fax and phone numbers of the
        officials who can make a difference in the case.

Who can join the Quick Response Network?

Anyone with a modem and a desire to protect
environmental and human rights:

-individual "internet surfers" committed to
environmental justice
-members of environmental groups
-staffpersons of national or international
environmental organizations
-campus environmental clubs
-peace and justice organizations
-classrooms

Does public pressure work?      YES!

        Your letters, faxes, phone calls let the
targeted officials know that they are not operating
under a cloak of secrecy.  You are casting the spotlight
of awareness and world opinion on those decision makers
who want to silence environmentalism or are willing
to turn a blind eye to the violence against
environmental activists.

        There is no charge to the subscribers who wish
to be put on the QRN and we will certainly not make
the names and addresses on this list available to
the public.

        To sign on to the Quick Response Network send
an e-mail message from your modem to:

                  majordomo@igc.apc.org.

In your message all you need type in is the
following text:

                  subscribe globresmembers.

  There is no cost to you for this service.  In
addition to the Quick Response Environmentalist
Actions you will be e-mailed Global Response's
monthly Global Response Action and Action Status
update (which provides new information on past cases).
The GRActions often deal with indigenous rights,
environmental justice, and citizen opposition to
industrial development, resource exploitation,
or hazardous materials.  The local activists in these
cases are often operating under threatening and
dangerous conditions.

Background - Global Response is an international
environmental pressure group comprised of citizens
who are concerned about such issues as resource
protection, pollution prevention, and environmental
justice.  In the past five years we have issued more
than 60 monthly Global Response Actions on a variety
of environmental emergencies.  We have issued these
GRActions at the request of and in support of more
than 50 environmental groups from all of the Earth's
continents.

  To contact Global Response:

        Global Response
        PO Box 7490
        Boulder, CO  80306-7490
        USA
        Phone/fax   (303) 444-0306.


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Can anyone out there in the Cybervoid tell me whether the Whole Earth
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Thanks,

Gil



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>Joel asked about PC sites.
>
>Here is what I am aware of; and what we are doing; fill in the 
>huge gaps, so we all know what the state of play is. Many 
>people will be wanting to visit various sites on their way to 
>IPC6 in Sep 96, so we need to know what is going on.
>

I will second Warwick's list, at least for here in WA. There are some
very good farms here indeed, very well worth the visit although never
having been "Permaculture" farms.

Some of our budding Permanent Agriculturalists in particular would
benefit from spending some time looking at such places, and working
on them if they get the chance, preferably before going back up to
the city to obtain their 72 Hour Design Certificate.



 

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about money, just look at some of the yahoos he gives it too.
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DIOXIN FORUM HELD BY MINNESOTA FOOD ASSOCIATION

On August 8, 1995 the Minnesota Food Association held a Member Forum on "Dioxin 
in the Food Supply". In attendance were Minnesota Food Association members, 
representatives of other organizations in the area working on dioxin-related 
issues, and concerned citizens.

Two panelists were invited to address the forum.  Toxicologist Dave Belluck from
the Mn Pollution Control Agency explained that dioxin  is the name for a large 
group of chemical compounds which are the by-products of many chemical, 
manufacturing and combustion processes (most notably waste incineration).  These
compounds are of concern for their effects on human health because 1) they are 
long-lived; that is, they do not break down quickly; 2) they accumulate in the 
fatty tissues of animals and humans; and 3) they are distributed all over the 
earth.  

Discussion confirmed that indeed all humans carry some level of dioxin in their 
bodies.  Since there is no dose at which no effects occur, Belluck explained, 
there is no "safe dose "of dioxin.  Over time, continual low level exposures 
"build up" until adverse health effects begin.
	
Belluck pointed out that in its recent reassessment of dioxin, the Environmental
Protection Agency identified both cancer and non-cancer effects for dioxin.  The
EPA estimates that the lifetime risk of getting cancer from dioxin exposure is 
between one in 1,000 and one in 10,000. Dioxin is also linked to severe 
reproductive and developmental effects and damage to the immune system.  
Infertility, birth defects, impaired child development, diabetes,  endometriosis
and thyroid changes are linked to dioxin exposure.  Belluck noted that because 
the EPA has decided not to issue a "non-cancer toxicity factor", no risk 
assessments will be made for the non-cancer effects of dioxin.
	
It is chiefly through our food supply that humans are exposed to dioxin, Belluck
explained.  Dioxin gets into the food supply as follows: it  is released into 
the air from waste incineration, pulp and paper processing, and the manufacture 
of plastics.  Then it settles onto the soil, water and plants and is eaten by 
animals. Dioxin  accumulates in their fatty tissues and is consumed as part of 
our diet.  The EPA says that 90% of human exposure occurs through diet, with 
foods from animals being the chief source.
	
Panelist Jackie Hunt Christensen from the Institute for Agriculture and Trade 
Policy added crucial  information as to the non-cancer effects of dioxin in her 
remarks . She also pointed out that in the laboratory, chemicals are tested one 
at a time for their toxic effects, but that in actuality, we are exposed to a 
mixture of chemicals.  Both the accumulation and the combination of these 
compounds is cause for concern, she said.
	
Reminding the audience that any use of chlorine in industrial processes, 
including incineration, results in dioxin formation, Hunt  Christensen discussed
ways of removing chlorine from use.  She said that Europeans are leading the way
in producing paper without using chlorine and that she is aware of one mill in 
the US which makes chlorine-free paper.  She also mentioned the use of ozone or 
ionization for purifying water systems and new water-based "wet" dry-cleaning 
processes.
	
Hunt Christensen encouraged those attending not to be intimidated by the 
complexity of the issues around dioxin.  You don't have to be a scientist to 
question the effects of dioxin on human health, she explained.  "I eat, so I am 
concerned." Our legislators are determining regulatory policies and enacting 
laws for environmental and health agencies, she pointed out, and they are not 
scientists. She urged citizens to become informed and then educate their 
legislators.	
	
Discussion and questions from the audience revealed much potential for 
coalition-building among those attending this Forum.  Several people voiced 
awareness that  concern for safe food cannot be separated from issues concerning
deteriorating human,  animal and planetary health.  MFA provided those attending
a list of organizations, both national and local, which are currently working on
dioxin-related issues and from whom further information is available. The list 
is included in this posting.
	
MFA will also take the lead here in the Upper Midwest, along with the Institute 
for Agriculture and Trade Policy, in convening follow-up meetings with 
interested groups and individuals to explore the creation of coalitions around 
the control of dioxin. We welcome  expressions of interest  in this 
coalition-building effort as well as any further information you feel would be 
of help to us.

National  Groups

Center for the Biology of Natural Systems
Queens College
Flushing, NY  11367
718-670-4180
reports

Citizens Clearinghouse for Hazardous Waste
P.O. Box 6806
Falls Church, Virginia  22040
703-237-2249
newsletter, information, organizing advice

Dr. Paul Conett
Work on Waste USA
82 Judson Street
Canton, NY 13617
315-379-9200
newsletter, information,
organizing advice

Greenpeace
1436 U Street Northwest
Washington, DC  20009
202-462-1177
reports, information

Physicians for Social Responsibility
1101 14th St. NW  #700
Washington, DC  20005
202-898-0150
reports, information


Local Groups

Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy
1313 5th St. SE  #303
Minneapolis, MN  55414
612-379-5980

Women's Cancer Resource Center
YWCA
1130 Nicollet Mall
Minneapolis, MN  55403
612-338-8544 Twin Cities Metro
800-908-8544  Greater Minnesota  





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DIOXIN FORUM HELD BY MINNESOTA FOOD ASSOCIATION

On August 8, 1995 the Minnesota Food Association held a Member Forum on "Dioxin 
in the Food Supply". In attendance were Minnesota Food Association members, 
representatives of other organizations in the area working on dioxin-related 
issues, and concerned citizens.

Two panelists were invited to address the forum.  Toxicologist Dave Belluck from
the Mn Pollution Control Agency explained that dioxin  is the name for a large 
group of chemical compounds which are the by-products of many chemical, 
manufacturing and combustion processes (most notably waste incineration).  These
compounds are of concern for their effects on human health because 1) they are 
long-lived; that is, they do not break down quickly; 2) they accumulate in the 
fatty tissues of animals and humans; and 3) they are distributed all over the 
earth.  

Discussion confirmed that indeed all humans carry some level of dioxin in their 
bodies.  Since there is no dose at which no effects occur, Belluck explained, 
there is no "safe dose "of dioxin.  Over time, continual low level exposures 
"build up" until adverse health effects begin.
	
Belluck pointed out that in its recent reassessment of dioxin, the Environmental
Protection Agency identified both cancer and non-cancer effects for dioxin.  The
EPA estimates that the lifetime risk of getting cancer from dioxin exposure is 
between one in 1,000 and one in 10,000. Dioxin is also linked to severe 
reproductive and developmental effects and damage to the immune system.  
Infertility, birth defects, impaired child development, diabetes,  endometriosis
and thyroid changes are linked to dioxin exposure.  Belluck noted that because 
the EPA has decided not to issue a "non-cancer toxicity factor", no risk 
assessments will be made for the non-cancer effects of dioxin.
	
It is chiefly through our food supply that humans are exposed to dioxin, Belluck
explained.  Dioxin gets into the food supply as follows: it  is released into 
the air from waste incineration, pulp and paper processing, and the manufacture 
of plastics.  Then it settles onto the soil, water and plants and is eaten by 
animals. Dioxin  accumulates in their fatty tissues and is consumed as part of 
our diet.  The EPA says that 90% of human exposure occurs through diet, with 
foods from animals being the chief source.
	
Panelist Jackie Hunt Christensen from the Institute for Agriculture and Trade 
Policy added crucial  information as to the non-cancer effects of dioxin in her 
remarks . She also pointed out that in the laboratory, chemicals are tested one 
at a time for their toxic effects, but that in actuality, we are exposed to a 
mixture of chemicals.  Both the accumulation and the combination of these 
compounds is cause for concern, she said.
	
Reminding the audience that any use of chlorine in industrial processes, 
including incineration, results in dioxin formation, Hunt  Christensen discussed
ways of removing chlorine from use.  She said that Europeans are leading the way
in producing paper without using chlorine and that she is aware of one mill in 
the US which makes chlorine-free paper.  She also mentioned the use of ozone or 
ionization for purifying water systems and new water-based "wet" dry-cleaning 
processes.
	
Hunt Christensen encouraged those attending not to be intimidated by the 
complexity of the issues around dioxin.  You don't have to be a scientist to 
question the effects of dioxin on human health, she explained.  "I eat, so I am 
concerned." Our legislators are determining regulatory policies and enacting 
laws for environmental and health agencies, she pointed out, and they are not 
scientists. She urged citizens to become informed and then educate their 
legislators.	
	
Discussion and questions from the audience revealed much potential for 
coalition-building among those attending this Forum.  Several people voiced 
awareness that  concern for safe food cannot be separated from issues concerning
deteriorating human,  animal and planetary health.  MFA provided those attending
a list of organizations, both national and local, which are currently working on
dioxin-related issues and from whom further information is available. The list 
is included in this posting.
	
MFA will also take the lead here in the Upper Midwest, along with the Institute 
for Agriculture and Trade Policy, in convening follow-up meetings with 
interested groups and individuals to explore the creation of coalitions around 
the control of dioxin. We welcome  expressions of interest  in this 
coalition-building effort as well as any further information you feel would be 
of help to us.

National  Groups

Center for the Biology of Natural Systems
Queens College
Flushing, NY  11367
718-670-4180
reports

Citizens Clearinghouse for Hazardous Waste
P.O. Box 6806
Falls Church, Virginia  22040
703-237-2249
newsletter, information, organizing advice

Dr. Paul Conett
Work on Waste USA
82 Judson Street
Canton, NY 13617
315-379-9200
newsletter, information,
organizing advice

Greenpeace
1436 U Street Northwest
Washington, DC  20009
202-462-1177
reports, information

Physicians for Social Responsibility
1101 14th St. NW  #700
Washington, DC  20005
202-898-0150
reports, information


Local Groups

Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy
1313 5th St. SE  #303
Minneapolis, MN  55414
612-379-5980

Women's Cancer Resource Center
YWCA
1130 Nicollet Mall
Minneapolis, MN  55403
612-338-8544 Twin Cities Metro
800-908-8544  Greater Minnesota  





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Hi,
I'm planning to publish an article about a group that brings people 
together. Sounds boring untill now, doesn't it ?  But they want to 
bring people together who plan to live in/start an ecological 
community/farm. This one (NELK) is for the Netherlands, but I am sure 
there must me more under the sun.

So: if you know a similar initiative, let me know, and I'll spread it 
over Europe in EYFA/YEE magazine 'THE VERGE.

            Thanks !   Chris
            
 PS   The VERGE ? Whot's that ?
 That is a bi-monthly magazine for European youth about eco-lifestyle 
and direct action. Interested ? Contact me.
                       
    

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Is this a mailing list for permaculture?  If so, I would appreciate
someone sending the subscription address.  Also, if this is a mailing
list, please excuse this post to the entire list.  I just came across
the address in an e-mail I received and am interested in permaculture.

Thank you,

Jennifer
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Hello,

     I'll be traveling to North Carolina in the first part of October.  Does
anyone have any suggestions about must-see permaculture related sites/events?
 I'm flying into Charlotte and will make a big circle counter-clockwise
through the Smokies and the Piedmont.  Thanks for any tips....



Best wishes,

Jeff Blakley

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From: BLAKLEYJ@delphi.com
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Hello,

     I'll be traveling to North Carolina in the first part of October.  Does
anyone have any suggestions about must-see permaculture related sites/events?
 I'm flying into Charlotte and will make a big circle counter-clockwise
through the Smokies and the Piedmont.  Thanks for any tips....



Best wishes,

Jeff Blakley

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------- start of forwarded message -------
From: peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk (Peter Bond)
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Subject: Permaculture Course
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:25:06 BST

A few weeks back I posted an announcement of a course on "Permcaulture for
Drylands" in southern Spain. 
This will now be a full 72 hour Permaculture Design course.
Dates: 17th to 30th September.

As time is now short, *do not* come back to me (I shall be away for several
days anyway), but write direct to:
  Ruth Bond
  Finca La Mohea
  Genalguacil
  29492
  Malaga
  Spain
  
For info. about the place you can now look at this web page:

http://llevant.uji.es/~bort/index.html   or, more directly, at

http://llevant.uji.es/~bort/LA_MOHEA/ruth_ind.html

-- Peter Bond                             peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk
-- Silverdale, Lancashire, England 
--             There is nothing harder to predict than the future
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Hi...On 8/31 Scott wrote - Hi Carol- Say - did you ever get an answer to your 
query  about a source for pPermaculture books? .

Hi Scot - Yes, I got several helpful replies.  Here's the source information I 
found...There's a place called Permaculture Resources, 56 Farmersville Rd., 
Califon, J.J. 07830.  Ph: 800-832-6285.  Fax: 908-832-9162.  They send me a 
free cat. full of wonderful things the same day I called.  I also attended a 
weekend on Permaculture  featuring Peter Bane, who puts out a publication 
called "The Permaculture Activist" - 3 issues a yr.+ updates.  They seem to be 
a source as well for 'The Permaculture Edge, and Permaculture:Solutions 
(U.K.). The address into there is The Permaculture Activist, Subscriptions POB 
1209, Black Mountain NC 28711 USA.  
Scot - The Perm.Activist is listed on the card as $20/yr overseas-surface ($25 
airmail).  $16/yr US, Can., Mex.    
Hope this helps.  Best...Carol

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Responding to Pam Gray's question from Beijing:
"Has any one thought of registering Permaculture as an NGO? "

Comments from Adam:

PGAN/PIL: Permaculture NGO in Australia
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The Australian Permaculture NGO is being set up by us here at PGAN,
the Permaculture Global Assistance Network.
This will be registered with ACFOA (Australian Council For Overseas Aid)
late Sept 95 at the ACFOA Council.  
We have got quite a few overseas projects going already: in Cuba, India,
Nicaragua, Malaysia, etc,
and we are consulting to projects in Vietnam, Eritrea, Australia,
Solomon Islands, Ecuador, El Salvador, etc. 
There are new projects being planned for Fiji, Colombia, Kenya, etc.
There are existing in-country Permaculture NGOs that we are in touch 
with in Nepal, Mexico, Ecuador, Cuba, Brazil, etc.
And there are many other Permaculture institutions, including most 
Western countries.

Permaculture Global Assistance Network
6 Derby St
Kew VIC 3101
Melbourne, Australia
Tel/Fax: +61 3 9853 6828
Email: pgan@peg.apc.org

GOFP: a Permaculture NGO in Cuba
--------------------------------
The Cuban Permaculture NGO is:

Grupo de Orientacion a la Familia sobre Permacultura
Calle 158 #107 altos esq Primera A
Reparto Nautico, Playa
Habana, Cuba
tel: +53 7 33 6090
email: gtcuba@tinored.cu   (Don't expect a reply, as they are v. busy)

GOFP has a staff of four Cubans and thirteen Australians have worked
with them since 1993.  Currently three Australians are working with GOFP
on a one year contract.

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/* Written  Sep  2, 1995 by adamt@peg.apc.org in susag.permaculture */
/* ---------- "1st Report from Pam Gray in Beijing" ---------- */
Here is email from Pam Gray, representing Permaculture at the 
World NGO Forum for Women, Bejing, China, Sept 1995. 

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:17, Arrived Aust: Thu Aug 31 18:30 1995
To: adamt@peg.apc.org
From: Pamela Gray <wcw1464@wcw.apc.org>

Hi Adam......
Let me severely bend your ear for a moment with enormous gripes! It's
unbelievably, extraordinarily, inappropriately, unnecessarily, exceedingly
difficult here. Everything is difficult - accommodation, transport,
information, languages, equipment - EVERYTHING. It's so hard my heart aches
and I feel the enormous pain of repression and imprisonment. The security
checking and pass checking for us is totally, totally inappropriate and the
Chinese have finally had to relent a little. I've got about 50kg of stuff in
2 big tubs and a box and yesterday I had to carry it the 200m to the
"pavillion" in 40degree heat. It was only the day before that I actually
found out where the pavillion was and met up with Ruth Lechte and the others
from the Once and Future Action Network group, including Sue Finucane from
IWDA (International Women's Developement Agency) (who sends her regards
and thanks to you). That included cycling 20k to Ruth's
hotel cause the phone was broken - turned out that there are other numbers
but no-one at my estate could find other numbers for the hotel.

That was the beginning of the good news - I bought a bike; it's about $100
and definitely worth it for the reminder of freedom. Everything is very
spread out here - even just where the conference sessions are (if you can
find that out), much less the hotels and appartments. Definitely the
beginning of a trend 'cause many, many others have got wheels.

I've talked to quite a lot of media people - like John Shoveland and Camille
Fennell from ABC radio +  BBC radio twice + 2 Chinese newspapers + a few
yanks. So far it's been about the problems and soon we're going to get into
the meat. I've got several TV people to promise they'll come with their
cameras an catch some of the stuff in the pavillion; esp paper making,
permaculture, and my black mumma's, Mary Rushwaya (Zimbabwe), 
stuff - mud stoves, charcoal cooler (like a coolagardie frig), 
hay box cooker, drum stoves and furniture from paper!

This morning I taxied in and out of Beijing to collect worms (they look
different here, no surprise I guess), manure, compost, organic soil, hay,
seaweed and seedlings for a kitchen garden. It's taken me all these days to
get this far because of the language barrier, restricted access to Huairou
for Chinese and transport difficulty. Tomorrow John Sh. will bring me a tyre
for a pond from a Pom living in a hotel in Beijing (not the one emptied to
make room for the forced exit of any dissidents). The space - the pavillion
- is actually a shooting school with gun targets out from the school rooms.
It's not a bad space but it's out of the way, not obvious and not really
working well. I'm digging my toes in about going out the back near the
targets cause basically no-one's exploring the outside space on the far side
of the building, so I want to be at the front. 
I haven't put all this energy into being here and gathering all the
equipment and get it here to be overlooked. No way. 

I've put up the Permaculture banner from WA and had masses and masses of
positive comments about it - could you call Debbie Msomething 
(the banner maker) or get a message to her via Pat Dare to tell her
how well it's been received.
If you're talking to Pat you might mention that the Directory isn't working
in it's current form - it's on too many pages, some people/places are listed
twice for various reasons like under UK and Great Brit.etc. It's also
incomplete - like Milton area PC isn't on there and lots of phone numbers
are missing - could someone write and ask them for an update.

Has any one thought of registering Permaculture as an NGO? That would
probably mean that PC could get to the NGO meetings before all the relevant
UN meetings.

Has anyone thought when the first World Forum on Men will be?????

So I'd better get back and set up the paper making in case the rain has
stopped and the final organisation of space is being made.

This experience is enormous for me. I keep singing the song "I am a brave
woman, I am such a brave, bold woman, walking right into the dragon's mouth
alone; seeking love and beauty on my quest I go; No matter what may happen I
know I will grow..."

Thanks for your support Adam and for listening.
 
Love to you and to John from me in Huairou,

Pam
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Email: wcw1464@wcw.apc.org  (Pamela Gray in Beijing, until 14 Sept 1995)
----

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 OOps!!! On 9/1/95 I posted an address for Permaculture Resources, but had a 
type in the state....it's in Califon New Jersey...that's Califon, NJ 07830. 
Scot - They list only an 800 phone no., but the fax no. is 908-832-9162. Sorry 
for the confusion.  Carol

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            PERMACULTURE FAQ   Version 1.0
                  September 1995

*  This Permaculture FAQ is divided into two parts:  
   (1) introduction to permaculture, and (2) permaculture 
   resources

*  This FAQ was drafted for the permaculture-mg list

   
               INTRODUCTION TO PERMACULTURE

The word "permaculture" was coined in 1978 by two Australians, 
Bill Mollison and David Holmgren, and is a contraction of "permanent 
agriculture" or "permanent agriculture." 

Permaculture is about designing ecological human habitats and food 
production systems.  It is an approach to land use which integrates
human dwellings, microclimate, annual and perennial plants,
animals, soils, and water management into stable, productive
communities.  

==================================================================
Permaculture Defined: 

1. From Michael Pilarksi (Friends of the Trees) in
   INTERNATIONAL GREEN FRONT REPORT (1988):  

     Permaculture is: the design of land use systems that are
     sustainable and environmentally sound; the design of
     culturally appropriate systems which lead to social stability;
     a design system characterized by an integrated application of
     ecological principles in land use; an international movement
     for land use planning and design; an ethical system stressing 
     positivism and cooperation.  

     In the broadest sense, permaculture refers to land use systems
     which promote stability in society, utilize resources in a
     sustainable way and preserve wildlife habitat and the genetic
     diversity of wild and domestic plants and animals.  It is a
     synthesis of ecology and geography, of observation and design. 
     Permaculture involves ethics of earth care because the
     sustainable use of land cannot be separated from life-styles
     and philosophical issues. 

2. From Lee Barnes (Katuah Journal and Permaculture Connections), 
   Waynesville, North Carolina:

     Permaculture ("Perm"anent "agri"culture and "Perma"nent "culture") 
     is a sustainable design system stressing the harmonious 
     interrelationship of humans, plants, animals and the Earth. To 
     paraphrase the founder of Permaculture, designer Bill Mollison:

     "Permaculture principles focus on thoughtful designs for small-scale
     intensive systems which are labor efficient and which use biological 
     resources instead of fossil fuels. Designs stress ecological 
     connections and closed energy and material loops. The core of 
     permaculture is design and the working relationships and connections 
     between all things. Each component in a system performs multiple 
     functions, and each function is supported by many elements. Key to 
     efficient design is observation and replication of natural ecosystems, 
     where designers maximize diversity with polycultures, stress 
     efficient energy planning for houses and settlement, using and 
     accelerating natural plant succession, and increasing the highly 
     productive "edge-zones" within the system."
   
     Permaculture designs have been successfully and widely implemented 
     in third-world countries, but there is current need to expand these 
     principles in temperate climates, and especially urban areas to 
     create more enjoyable and sustainable human habitats. 

=================================================================

A central theme in permaculture is the design of ecological
landscapes that produce food.  Permaculture design concepts may be
applied to single households or whole farms and villages.  A major
emphasis is placed on use of food-producing plants and in the
integration of animals into the landscape. 

Permaculture is not limited to just plant and animal agriculture. 
It also includes community planning and development, use of
appropriate technologies (coupled with an adjustment of life-style), 
and adoption of concepts and philosophies that are both earth-based 
and people-centered, such as bio-regionalism. 

Many of the appropriate technologies advocated by permaculturalists 
are well-known.  Among these are solar and wind power, composting 
toilets, and solar food cooking and drying.  Information on renewable 
technologies such as these is available from a number of other
sources.   

Due to the inherent sustainability of perennial cropping systems,
permaculture places emphasis on tree crops. Thus, alleycropping and 
agroforestry systems appear to hold promise as viable techniques for 
large-scale farming.  Ecological methods of production for any specific 
crop or farming system are, of course, vital to permaculture and 
sustainable agriculture in general.

Since permaculture is not a production system, per se, but rather
a land use planning philosophy, it is not limited to a specific
method of production.  Furthermore, as permaculture principles may
be adapted to farms or villages worldwide, it is site specific and
therefore amenable to locally adapted techniques of production.  

As an example, standard organic farming and gardening techniques
utilizing crop rotations, cover crops, green manures, composts,
and mulches are emphasized in permacultural systems.  Yet,
the use of the Keyline chisel plow, rotational grazing,
the Aerway implement in no-till farming, and a whole number
of other techniques are adaptable to farms working within
a permacultural framework.  The decision as to which "system" to 
go with is site-specific and management dependent.  

Farming systems and methods often associated with permaculture include 
edible landscaping, Keyline, agroforestry, keyhold gardening, sheet 
mulching, chicken tractors, solar greenhouses, vermicomposting, spiral 
herb gardens, swales, and intercropping.  Water collection and management 
systems like greywater, rain catchment, and Keyline play an important 
role in land use designs.  

Permaculture is not about prescription farming, it's about
designing ecological landscapes that integrate farming and other
human activities into ecosystems with productive results yet
minimal disturbance.  Permaculture advocates farm ecology, not 
pharmacology.

                   Sources of Information 

The two basic sources of information on permaculture are
permaculture design courses and the permaculture literature. 

Permaculture design courses are the primary vehicle for transfer
of permaculture expertise.  The standard course is 72-hours in
length and lasts two weeks.  Graduates are issued a permaculture
design certificate and are entitled to use "Permaculture" in the
pursuit of livelihood and for educational purposes. 

The permaculture literature is a rich source of information on a 
wide range of topics dealing with appropriate technology,
water management, land use, housing, and plant and animal agriculture.  


                   PERMACULTURE RESOURCES 

THE PERMACULTURE INSTITUTE 

The Permaculture Institute in Tyalgum, Australia, serves as the
coordinating organization for permaculture activities such as
permaculture design accreditation.  Contact:

     Permaculture Institute
     P.O. Box 1
     Tyalgum, NSW  2484
     Australia
     Phone:  (066) 793 442

          PERMACULTURE RESOURCES IN THE UNITED STATES:

THE PERMACULTURE ACTIVIST 
Contact: Peter Bane
Box 1209
Black Mountain, NC  28711
(704) 683-4946
Cost:  $16.00, quarterly

     THE PERMACULTURE ACTIVIST is the leading periodical for
     North American permaculture.  In addition to articles on
     permaculture, edible landscaping, bioregionalism, etc., it
     also lists permaculture design courses and serves as an
     important networking tool in the U.S., Canada, and Central
     America.

THE INTERNATIONAL PERMACULTURE SOLUTIONS JOURNAL (TIPS) 
Yankee Permaculture/Elfin Permaculture, and 
Forest Ecosystem Rescue Network (FERN)
Contact: Dan Hemenway
P.O. Box 672
Dahlonega, GA 30533-0672
Cost: $27.50/four issues

     TIPS is published on a sporadic basis.  A yearbook
     called THE INTERNATIONAL PERMACULTURE SPECIES YEARBOOK
     (TIPSY) was the format prior to TIPS.  The TIPSY
     series is a goldmine of permaculture information and
     resources; most notable are several lists of plants and
     their uses.  Back issues are still available. 

     FERN publishes a permaculture newsletter called ROBIN, which is 
     concerned mainly with forest issues. 
    
     Yankee Permaculture also publishes THE RESOURCES OF
     INTERNATIONAL PERMACULTURE - TRIP.  Volume 5 of TRIP,
     published in 1993, is a 68-page issue that contains 1,540
     listings of groups working in permaculture, sustainable food
     systems, and tree-based agriculture.

RESTORATION FORESTRY 
Friends of the Trees
Contact:  Michael Pilarski
P. O. Box 4469
Bellingham, WA   98227
(206) 738-4972
Cost:  $7.00

     RESTORATION FORESTRY (1994) is a 525-page International
     Guide to Sustainable Forestry Practices.  It is rich
     with ideas, practices, and resources. 

     Other key publications from Friends of the Trees include the
     THE INTERNATIONAL GREEN FRONT REPORT (1988, $7.00),
     KIWIFRUIT ENTHUSIASTS JOURNAL (Vol. 6, $17.20) and THIRD
     WORLD RESOURCES (1993, $5.00).  Friends of the Trees Society also
     publishes a newsletter.  

SUSTAINABLE LIVING IN DRYLANDS (SLID)
Permaculture Drylands Institute
Contact:  Scott Pittman
P.O. Box 27371 
Tucson, AZ  85726
(602) 623-0054
Cost: $12.00, quarterly

     SLID is a newsletter/journal focusing on permaculture concepts 
     and designs for arid lands.  SLID has published articles on straw 
     bale buildings, solar box cookers, and dryland farming.  

TEMPERATE BAMBOO QUARTERLY  
Earth Advocates
30 Myers Road
Summertown, TN  38483 
Cost:  $24/year

     TEMPERATE BAMBOO QUARTERLY is a new publication from Earth Advocates, 
     a permaculture team run by Sue and Adam Turtle.  It focuses on the
     bamboo plant which has unique, important multi-purpose uses.  


                  PERMACULTURE RESOURCES IN AUSTALIA: 

INTERNATIONAL PERMACULTURE JOURNAL   
Permaculture International Ltd.
P.O. Box 7185
Lismore Heights, NSW  2480
Australia
Phone:  (066) 220 020
Cost: U.S. $20.00/quarterly

     Note: subscribers in the U.S. can send their payment to THE
     PERMACULTURE ACTIVIST.

     The INTERNATIONAL PERMACULTURE JOURNAL serves as the leading 
     periodical for permaculture worldwide.  Each issue contains informative 
     articles as well as news of permacultural events in Australia, the 
     U.S., and other places around the world.  It serves as an important 
     networking tool. Back issues to the early 1980s are available.  

THE PERMACULTURE EDGE 
Permaculture Nambour, Inc. 
P.O. Box 650
Nambour, Queensland  4560
Australia
Phone:  (074) 943 955
Cost: U.S. $20.00, quarterly.  

     Note: subscribers in the U.S. can send their payment to THE
     PERMACULTURE ACTIVIST. 

     THE PERMACULTURE EDGE is a new quarterly publication from Australia. 
     The "permaculture edge" refers to the "edge effect" that can be used 
     to increase yields in designed systems.  It also points to 
     permaculture ideas as being "at the edge" of a change in the push 
     toward a sustainable future. 


                BASIC PERMACULTURE LITERATURE:

THE BEST OF PERMACULTURE.  By Max O. Lindegger and Robert Tap.  
1986.  Nascimanere Publishers, Nambour, Australia.  136 p.

PERMACULTURE ONE:  A PERENNIAL AGRICULTURE FOR HUMAN
SETTLEMENTS, 3rd ed.  By Bill C. Mollison and David Holmgren.  1987.  
(Reprint of 1978 ed.)  Tagari Publishers, Tyalgum, New South Wales,
Australia.  127 p. 

PERMACULTURE TWO: A PRACTICAL DESIGN FOR TOWN AND COUNTRY IN
PERMANENT AGRICULTURE.  By Bill C. Mollison.  1979. 
Tagari Press, Stanley, Australia.  150 p. 

PERMACULTURE: A PRACTICAL GUIDE FOR A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE.
By Bill C. Mollison.  Island Press, Washington, D.C.  579 p. 

INTRODUCTION TO PERMACULTURE.  1991.  By Bill C. Mollison and 
Reny Mia Slay.   Tagari Publishers, Tyalgum, Australia.  198 p. 


             THE PERMACULTURIST'S BOOKSHELF

TREE CROPS: A PERMACNENT AGRICULTURE.  By J. Russell Smith.  1987.
408 p.  Costs about:  $20.00

CORNUCOPIA: A SOURCE BOOK OF EDIBLE PLANTS.  By Stephen Facciola.
1990.  678 p.  Costs about:  $35.00

DESIGNING & MAINTAINING YOUR EDIBLE LANDSCAPE NATURALLY.  By
Robert Kourick.  1986.  370 p.  Costs about:  $20.00


*  Compiled by Steve Diver.   

   Send comments and updates to:  steved@ncatfyv.uark.edu, 
   or permaculture-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu


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Here's the third letter from Pam Gray at the Beijing Women's Conference:

Message 272 (53 lines)
From: wcw1464@wcw.apc.org (Pam Gray)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 09:08, Arrived Aust: Mon Sep  4 11:15 1995
To: adamt@peg.apc.org

thanks a million everybody for your greetings and for having a launch and 
doing all your good things. 

To-day I can see blue sky and many things are working
better than earlier (I know it will take me quite some time to unwind from
this experience-cum-personal journey).

I've built a kitchen garden in a make shift cardboard contraption on a table
- growing pak choy, shallots, coriander, pursulane, zucchini and something
else, don't know what. The permaculture banner that Debbie in Perth made has
received great attention and is constantly photographed so that word is
spreading. I've got a neat little handout that gives a very clear and simple
message of permaculture with lifted diagrams from permaculture books. I also
have a global directory that gives addresses of Permaculture 
organisations for lots of countries.

I do a papermaking demonstration each afternoon - yesterday I made an
anouncement in the adjacent wimmins bookshop saying "in 5 minutes there'll
be a demonstration of..." Everyone stopped and looked at me! "Oh no not that
sort of demonstration - you'll see paper being made from waste paper and you
can do it yourself". The first day several Papuans really got into
papermaking and then they taught everyone else! including several young
Chinese wimmin working with UNESCO. The Chinese really love it too and they
keeep coming back for more. They know the issues of environmental
degradation etc... so my great hope is increasing daily as wimmin see the
possibilities of low-tech stuff as well as the talk about the issues
affecting us. We're selling the paper we make and I've got several T-shirts
with Women ARE Demanding on one side and "Clean air, clean water, good food,
domestic peace, work that engages our hearts and our minds on the back".
(That's apersonal fund-raiser for myself to pay off my loan!)

I reckon I'll be able to bring home some paper we make.... Anyone want some?
and I have my little printing press with me so we can do some special art
work. I'll need to do some fund-raising dinners when I get home....Please
ask me to entertain you with my slides, photos and info..   better go and do
some work. Congrats on your good work isn't this amazing fun!

...........love and greetings

....Pam Gray, Huairou, Beijing.

PS Vandhana Shiva, the wonderful Vandhana Shiva of Chipco fame has a
campaign working well in India that is keeping Kentucky Fried Chicken out of
Bangalore!
You should hear her stuff about genetic engineering, biodiversity,
transnational institutions, global food issues etc.
---end---

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What is all this? The New Revived, Antipodean Permaculture Missionary
Society? 

The primary admonition of Permaculture is to go home and tend your
own garden, NOT go off somewhere else telling somebody else how to
tend theirs.

Some of the people apparently involved in this are at the most hostile
and egregious odds with country Permaculture people here in Western
Australia, who object to that crowd of hysterical do-gooders coming
down from the city telling them how to run their farms, who object to
being used and exploited to do all the design work as well as all the
labouring, by these same Wannabe Permie Notables who in fact source
their money from city based business enterprises to buy up farming
properties cheaply in the wake of rural recession, who lack the most
basic farming skills of their own, and who use membership funds not
to serve their constituency but to go off interstate and overseas
big-noting themselves and winning awards telling even more people
what to do and how to do it than ever before. 

These brave, bold women walking into the dragon's mouth alone? They
are just plain loopy! Fruit loopy nuts! Going off now to tell Chinese
peasants how to grow ginger, for Christ's sake!

There is no problem to start with, beyond this very same blithering
nonsense we have all been forced to endure for generations here in
Australia. Instead of the people who depend on it themselves taking
control of their own land, and their own lives into the bargain, all
we are now getting out of this Global Permaculture Movement are ever
more Evangelical bloody missionaries pissing everyone off all over
again! 

I have a Permaculture Design Certificate of my own and work out here
on-farm actually doing it. The people out here are the ones Mollison
himself has written about in the Design Manual, who were appointed by
him years ago to teach Permaculture, but since then have been shoved
aside and ridiculed by this present crowd of usurpers, half of whom
haven't even got past their introduction to the suburban back yard.

They can be named here, were it not for their constant screaming abuse
and threats of action for defamation the moment anybody sticks their
head up to speak the truth about what is going on. No matter, enough
that the other side of the coin is revealed.

 


 

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doesn't belong in nature. We see that nature is so organised that it
sends creatures in huge multiplicity to where something should be
got rid of.                                          Alex Podolinski

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:09:58 -0400
From: JLawson583@aol.com
Subject: Community Supported Agriculture Conference

For Immediate Release

Contact: Jered Lawson, (408) 459-3964. email: farmcsa@aol.com

1995 Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) Conference for the Western Region
-- "On the Path To Partnerships Between Farms and Communities" -- will take
place at the Fort Mason Center in San Francisco, CA, November 12 - 14. This
conference will provide an opportunity for CSA farmers and members to
exchange information and network, to serve as a resource to farmers and
individuals seeking to develop a CSA, and to promote the environmental,
economic, and community building benefits of CSA.

Who should attend? Farmers, community and rural development specialists,
community economic development advocates, educators, students, food security
groups, journalists, policy makers, and all interested in developing
sustainable agricultural systems.  For more information please contact the
CSA West office, c/o CASFS, 1156 High Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95064.  (408)
459-3964; fax (408) 459-2799; E: mail farmcsa@aol.com.

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Lawrence F. London, Jr. - london@sunSITE.unc.edu 
http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/The_Sustainable_Farmstead.html
http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/permaculture.html
http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/permaculture.faq
http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/sunSITE-PC-mailarchive
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 15:44:41 WST
From: Victor Guest <vic@daena.eepo.dialix.oz.au>
To: london@calypso-2.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Re: multi-use leaf crops (fwd)

>-------------------------------------------------------
>Lawrence F. London, Jr. - london@sunSITE.unc.edu 
>http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/Information_By_Topic.html
>-------------------------------------------------------
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>Date: 14 Aug 95 21:56:22 EDT
>From: therese . M. Hildebrand <76473.64@compuserve.com>
>To: sanmessage <sanet-mg@amani.ces.ncsu.edu>
>Subject: multi-use leaf crops
>
>Hello,
>
>I work with trying to help people, especially in the tropics, improve their
>health by making better use of leaf crops in their diets.  An area that I need
>some help researching is the  partial harvest of leaves from multi-purpose
>crops.  For  example,  winter wheat being grazed until snowfall then recovering
>in the spring to produce a seed crop.  I am having a very hard time finding
>information about this agricultural technique, which seems to have a lot of
>potential for increasing total nutrient production for peasant farmers and
>gardeners.  These folks often suffer from malnutrition and often have to produce
>food for their families on very small parcels of land. This seems like a
>technique that doesn't require any capital investment to increase food
>production,  just some practical information.  

Hi, sorry I have been so long in getting into this letter but here goes.
Lucerne (alfa alfa ) makes a nice tea, and can be cut continuously.
Oats can be grazed quite heavily and will recover.
Control of stock is very important.
Silver beet and celery can be used by taking mature leaves from the outside
I am quite concious that that peasant farmers, without mechanical harvesters
should not be mono  farming. The best advise I can give you is to 
use Permaculture thinking to design the gardens for these people. The 
land/garden/plot, should be set up to provide 4 layers of food, and a 
variety on each layer.

This would look like 
Ground Layer: Potatoes, Taroes, Carrots, etc, 
Cover Layer: Herbs, Lettuce, Cabbage, Beet, Garlic, Alfa alfa for stock etc.
climbing Layer: Beans, Peas, Lentils, Tomatoes etc.
Fruit Tree Layer: Grow all types of local fruit trees and allow vines to
climb on them.
Protection Layer: plant deciduous trees, Banna Grass and use this layer to
           provide a wind beak/sun shade/mulch material/fertilizer for the 
           garden.  

 Companion planting will stop most bugs and enhance the growth.

You put local plants in to replace the names I have given you.

Prepare the plot/garden where you can channel water run off and dig out the 
plot to a metre depth if possible. line the plot with paper if sandy or
porous and fill this with any absorbant organic (suitable)material you can 
get. You can overfill the plot with material, and it wont hurt. Plant into 
soil.( which you can put back.) Also add worms and all of your food scraps.
I have been told that in Zimbabwe an area equivalent to a door, is
enough to feed a family.

Best of luck.

>Thanks for any information or leads on where to find it.  Peace and Light,
>David Kennedy
>
>

Regards,
          Vic
--
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vic.guest@eepo.com.au                         3 McKee Plce Kingsley. 6026
                ----: Sustainable Agriculture :----   Tel. (09) 3092108
--: The Land Management Society & The Permaculture Association:----

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Daniela Soleri wrote:

> Could anyone suggest any lists that focus on contemporary Mexico,
> especially concerned with traditional agriculture, or natural resources,
> or plant population biology? 
>
> Daniela Soleri
> SOLERI@LIFESCI.LSCF.UCSB.EDU 
> Arid Lands Resource Sciences Program 
> University of Arizona   

Dear Daniela I was intrigued by the above message since I was about to ask
something similar myself. I would be interested to know the exact nature
of your request. Mine has to do with agricultural systems in Mexico,
particularly as regards 'alternatives' ( and I recognize that for many
people, these are not 'alternatives' as understood in the Western,
industrialized context) to the Green Revolution maize package that were 
developed by the Rockefeller Foundation/Mexican Govt funded Officina de 
Estudios Especiales (which later evolved into CIMMYT). For your 
information, I have some references but would appreciate any others, 
particularly if they contain information concerning species diversity, 
intraspecific diversity, production etc. Here's what I have to hand at 
the moment:

Edgar Anderson 'Plants Man and Life' (it was Anderson, at Missouri, to 
whom Carl Sauer sent seed varieties from Mexico after he became 
interested in crop domestication and cultivation in Mexico).
 
Clawson and Hoy (1979) 'Nealtican, Mexico: A peasant community that rejected 
the 'Green Revolution''. Amer. J. Econ. Soc. 38, 371-87

Vogt, E.Z. (1970) The Zincantecos of Mexico. New York: Holt, Rinehart and 
Winston

Brush et al (1988) Agricultural Development and Maize Divesrity in 
Mexico' Human Ecology 16 (3) 307-28

De Walt (1978) Appropriate Technollogy in Rural Mexico. Technology and 
Culture 19 (1) 32-52

Morales (1984) Chinampas and Integrated Farms: Learning from the Rural 
Traditional Experience in de Castri et al (eds) 'Ecology in Practice, 
Vol. 1 Ecosystem Management, pp. 188-95, Tycooly, Dublin.

Francis and Sanders (1978) Economic Analysis of Bean and Maize Systems: 
Monoculture Versus Associated Cropping, Field Crops Research (1) 319-55.

Bellon-Corales (1991) The ethnoecology of maize production under 
technological change: A case study from Mexico. Human Ecology 11, 47-68

Alcorn and Trujillo (1987) the Agroecology of Corn Production in 
Tlaxcala, Mexico. Human Ecology 15 (2) 189-220.

In additon to the above, Ron Nigh wrote an excellent Ph.D. thesis some
time in the 70s. I don't know if he is still living in San Cristobal,
Chiapas where I met him two years ago. Luis Garcia-Barrios, who at that
time was working at the Centro de Investigaciones Ecologicas de Sureste (I
apologise for my poor written Spanish) in Chiapas, has written a few
articles suggesting that traditional agricultural practices are less
destructive than modern ones, focusing I think on Oaxaca. One of these is
in the 1990 No 11 issue of World Development, another was in Spanish in
Commercio Exterior - I forget the year. He was working at the time on 
a Ph.D. concerning intercropping. Alcorn has written a book of her
work the title of which I forget. I think there are a few articles on
Mexican agriculture in the volume edited by Gleissman (1990 I think) 
entitled simply 'Agroecology' and published by Springer-Verrr... One is 
on forest gardens, another on intercropping maize squash and beans, 
another on Chinampas ( I think). A book edited by Teresa Rojas entitled 
Agricultura en Tierras Mexicanas desde ... hace nuevos tiempos has 
chapters on crop domestication through to modern agricultural situation 
but some of the chapters are more political economy that technical. Also, 
the owrk of E. Hernandez X. is worth checking up on. I don't have his 
refernces to hand, but he was the acknowledged expert on races of maize 
before his death a short while ago.

I've read most, but not all, of the above so hope there are not too many 
problems regarding their relevance. I'd welcome any additions. Perhaps 
Daniela or I could post a complete biblio at the end if that's considered 
useful. Thanks in advance for any help.
Dominic Hogg, University of Cambridge.

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CFWALKER@alex.stkate.edu wrote: 
"Hi Scot - Yes, I got several helpful replies.  Here's the source information
I found...There's a place called Permaculture Resources, 56 Farmersville Rd.,
Califon, J.J. 07830.  Ph: 800-832-6285.  Fax: 908-832-9162.  They send me a
free cat."

I want one! I want one too! Can i have a little female tabby with a brown
nose and a loud purr, please? I promise to take real good care of her and
have her spayed. 

catherine yronwode


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 00:40:42 -0400
From: hutch@tfnet.ils.unc.edu
To: permaculture@sunsite.unc.edu
Subject: Book: Food from Dryland Gardens

     I have been reading a most helpful book by David Cleveland and 
Daniela Soleri, entitled "Food from Dryland Gardens". Published by 
the Center for People, Food and Environment, supported by The United 
Nations Children's Fund, this is a combination of an overview of the 
worldwide use of home gardens and a detailed handbook of growing gardens
and the tools and resources needed.

     At 387 pages, this is a definitive treatise on a topic which has 
seldom been touched. The very readable text is accompanied by detailed
sketches in a dashing informal style on each topic, drawn by Daniela.

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I know Bill would not look kindly on Permaculture Resources giving away
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Unless, of course, they were for mulching. 



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    Protect the environment from the 104th Congress:
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From: Steve Diver <steved@ncatfyv.uark.edu>
To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Subject: Luebke Seminars: CMC Compost & Humus Mgm't

Sustainable Aggies & Farmers: 

The following announcement is posted for your information.

*         *         *         *         *         *

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Luebke Seminars, Fall 1995
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CMC Compost and Humus Management seminars will be held in the
United States again this fall in two locations:  Pennsylvania 
and California.  The courses will be taught by Uta Luebke, 
Angelika Luebke, and Urs Hildebrandt of Austria.  The Luebkes 
manage an organic vegetable/dairy sheep farm and developed the 
Controlled Microbial Composting (CMC) technique through years 
of on-farm research.

CMC may be defined as an intensive methodology of efficiently 
producing a consistent, high-quality aerobic compost.  Humus
management is the systematic program of incorporating these
biologically-active composts, along with specific green
manuring and tillage techniques, to quickly and effectively
re-establish nutrient & carbon cycling, storage capacity,
tilth, and microbial activity to the soil. 

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CMC Humus Management Course
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Course Topics: 

Overview of integrated soil building techniques such as green
manuring, tillage, composting, and crop rotations.  Slides
of farm soils, research, and microphotography of the
clay-humus crumb will clearly show the importance of microbial 
activity in soil, and also, how to manage soils with composts 
and green manures treated with microbial inoculants.  Introduction 
to circular chromatography, colorimetric humus test, lab 
procedures, and interpretation of soil chromas, organic
matter, and humus content. 

Schedule & Location: 

Lancaster, PA       November 9-11 

Hollister, CA       November 27-29
                         and
                    November 30-December 2

*  The first day can also be attended as a single lecture

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CMC Composting Course
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Course Topics:

Compost site & materials selection, construction and monitoring
of windrows using the Controlled Microbial Composting method,
correction and balancing of moisture, structure and C/N factors,
testing compost for finishedness, compost quality assessment and
use.  This is a "hands on" composting class, revolving
around on-site building and monitoring of compost windrows.


Schedule & Location:

Lancaster, PA       November 13-16

Hollister, CA       December 4-9
                        and
                    December 11-16

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Information and registration
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East Coast:
     Autrusa Compost Consulting
     P.O. Box 1133
     Blue Bell, PA  19422
     (610) 825-2973
     (610) 825-3982 Fax

West Coast:
     Herbert Ranch
     P.O. Box 65
     Hollister, CA  95024
     (408) 637-5517
     (408) 637-0139 Fax 



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Queridos compan~eros,

Below is a draft of an article for the Christmas 1995 edition of the
Permaculture International Journal. 
 
ARTICLE ABOUT CESTA IN EL SALVADOR FOR THE PERMACULTURE INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL 
ATTENTION:  ANA OR STEVE PAYNE.

Permaculture In El Salvador.

Wayne Wadsworth (Wadzy) has recently returned to Australia from El Salvador,
where he has been working for The Centre for Appropriate Technology, CESTA,
for the past year. In the following article Wayne explains Permaculture work 
with Juan Rojas and CESTA.


Juan Rojas has been working in El Salvador teaching Permaculture for the 
past two years.  He is teaching in San Salvador and Morazan.  Morazan is 
in a remote area of El Salvador where Juan has access to a couple of 
hectares of land to help develop a Permaculture project with a local 
peasants co-operative.  Juan and me did our Permaculture course in Crystal
Waters (Queensland, Australia) and had both intended to go to Cuba to help
set up Permaculture there.  Due to delays establishing the project in Cuba,
Juan decided to return to his country and teach Permaculture there. (The
project in Cuba has now been running for two year, with great success). 

Ricardo Navarro, the President of the El Salvadoran Centre for 
Appropriate Technology (CESTA) did a speaking tour of Australia in 1993, during 
which time he asked the Overseas Service Bureau to fund a position for a 
Permaculture worker to teach Permaculture in El Salvador.

Ricardo Navarro was one of the founding members of CESTA which was set up 
about ten years ago to tackle ecological problems facing the country.  
From a very small beginning CESTA now employs 75 people and is the 
biggest ecology/environmment group in El Salvador.  
Ricardo recently received a United Nations prize, a European prize and a
commendation from Nelson Mandela for CESTA's ecology work in El Salvador.

CESTA is divided into four main areas of work:
- GIA, The administrative body of CESTA.  Handles media campaigns.
- EcoBici, Assembles bikes for resale, builds solar reflectors, wood 
saving cookers, bicycle powered machines, solar dryers, small grain silos 
etc.  
- EcoMuna, Works with disadvantaged groups doing mainly social work..
- EcoPrima, Research work into the Ecological problems and solutions 
facing El Salvador.  Eco Prima is responsible for the development of 
Permaculture within CESTA.  They are also responsible for developing EcoCentro.
- EcoCentro, a 25 hectare ecology training centre about thirty kilometres from 
San Salvador.  EcoCentro is being developed strongly along Permaculture 
lines.

EcoPrima.
My first job to do was to establish a team of people in Eco Prima 
who could teach Permaculture.  The team we put together were all highly 
qualified people in their own fields of engineering, agronomy, soils, water 
and plants.  We developed a group of five teachers who's first job was to 
run a four day Introduction to Permaculture course.  I spent two months 
working with the group to set up the course.  The course was divided into 
two weekends, the first weekend was held in the city where we did a lot 
of theory and practical work of showing people how to grow food in small 
areas using containers and wall space.  The second weekend we spent doing 
a very large Mandala garden at EcoCentro.

EcoCentro.
The second part of my job was to help train people to set up zone one and 
two areas at Eco Centro.  I was working with the team we had developed in 
San Salvador and the workers at the centre.  One of the biggest problems 
facing El Salvador is the disappearing water table.  There is virtually 
no forest remaining in San Salvador and most of the water that falls in 
the wet season runs straight off the land, into the highly polluted rivers 
and then out to sea.  So what we were setting up was different examples 
of keeping the water on the land as long as possible, there by allowing 
water to infiltrate into the soils and rebuild the water table.  