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> From: wbw@shore.net (William B. Warren)
> Newsgroups: sci.environment,alt.energy.renewable
> Subject: E-Z Home Aquaculture
> Date: 13 Oct 1994 16:31:32 -0400
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> 
> If one were to grow some tilapia in a solar algae tank or two, pump 
> the wastewater through a nitrifying tank, and then divert the water 
> through hydroponically grown grasses, herbs, etc. before returning it to 
> the fish tank(s), is this water a satisfactory nutrient solution? 
> 
> Does one need to feed the fish a particular food, or a particular variety of
> foods to obtain a complete nutrient solution for the plants? Or would one 
> need to regularly add certain trace elements or salts?
> 
> Ideas,Comments,Suggestions,Criticism?
> Thanks in Advance,
> 		 Will
> 
> ------- end of forwarded message -------


Tom Speraneo in West Plains, MO, has developed an integrated
system based on tilapia and basil culture.  He has also
raised tomatoes & cukes, but like other folks who've tried 
aquaponics, he found herbaceous plants are better adapted 
than heavy-feeders like fruiting plants. 

Effluent from the bottom of the fish tanks is trickle irrigated 
"directly" onto gravel-cultured hydroponic vegetable beds.  
There is no intermediary stage like a biofilter or
nitrifyer.  The plant roots and bacteria living in the
gravel serve as the biofilter.  They remove the nitrates and
other nutrients as food.  The purified water is then
recirculated back to the fish tanks after going through an
aerator. 

The fertility input to hydroponic production is the fish
feed.  Adjustment of protein level in the fish feed helps 
regulate pH, etc.  Fish metalobolites (i.e., manure), 
decomposing fish food, and algae are the source of
nutrients.  The bacteria in the gravel run the whole show. 
To inoculate the system, collect a liter of tank water from 
a plain home aquarium and dump it in the fish tanks.  

The aquatic product, tilapia, is a secondary product.  The 
largest biomass and salable product is the vegetable/herb
produce.  At one time, he estimated 70 lbs produce to every
1 lb. tilapia.  North Carolina State Univ. research data was
2:1.  Speraneo modeled his system after NCSU and then
modified it about a dozen times to get where he is today. 

The Freshwater Insititute in West Virginia does it very 
differently.  They focus on cutting edge recirculating 
trout aquaculture.  Using oxygenation and ozonation, plus
demand feeders and injected aerated stream water, they are
able to get impressive trout yields in tanks.  Recirculated
water is treated with an expensive clarifier, sand biofilter, 
and aerator.  

Prior to returning the water back to the natural stream 
(with a natural P of 3 ppb), they remove the several hundred 
parts per million P, plus N, etc., by running it through 
aquaponics or constructed wetlands in greenhouses.  Aquaponic plants 
raised include strawberries and lettuce.  Constructed wetland plants 
used include turf grasses and vetiver grass.  P removal is 
80% first time through.  Biomass prouduction is solely based on 
nutrients in used fish tank water except for iron injection. 

Hope these notes and ideas are helpful.  I've been tracking
these and other aquaponic systems because they represent a 
fine model of sustainable food production, and fit well with
the goals and concepts of permaculture. 

Steve Diver
Fayetteville, AR


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>
>hey!
>
>i just read about the following kind of method:
>
>1/ spring, year 1: sow barley and winter wheat in two runs, use
>		   criss-cross method to reduce competition between
>		   barley & wheat. if available use variety of winter
>		   crop that doesn't need to be sown too densely.
>2/ autumn, year 1: harvest barley. winter wheat is lurking, hasn't
>		   developed much due to lack of vernalization. no tillage!
>3/ spring, year 2: winter wheat emerges.
>4/ autumn, year 2: harvest winter wheat.
>
>comments: savings in tillage, savings (earnings?!) in humus, savings in
>	  nutrients, environment less polluted by nutrients, better
>	  overwintering conditions for winter crop. tests indicate crops
>	  harvested are about the same size as those gotten using the
>	  "conventional" method in finland.
>
>isn't this cool? i for one am extremely excited about this, but i bet
>you people have been using this for years... if so, tell me about your
>experiences. btw, IMHO one should sow vetch or something as well in
>order to increase nitrogen levels and thus improve conditions for
>pulling the carbon - contained in the barley straw - into the tillage
>layer. i heard vetch can grow in this kind of shade.
>
>anybody know an even better nitrogen fixer that can grow in the shade?
>alfalfa would be highly cool, but i wonder if there would be enough
>space for it... if you've done this with alfalfa, tell me!
>-- 
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>

This type of combining was very useful, and is used to a lesser degree
today in our farming in W.A. 
It was a very good way to establish clovers and medicagos as pasture
with limited funds.
By simply adding to the the seed hopper, the idea was to provide enough
seed the following year to establish a nitrogen producing Pasture. Trials
by the Agricultural Dept were set up to demonstrate the loss of production
from the growing of the competitor. Most of "our" farms pasture was 
established this way. (325mm rainfall belt)
I wouldn't consider Lucerne (alfa alfa) in a cropping area as it needs time
to establish in a dryland situation. ( it's roots have been traced to 10         
meters)
There is a lot missing from your question as to what you are trying to 
achieve. Continuos cropping, ley farming, rainfall constraints, chemical 
free.
People who use one pass broad acre techniques, supply nitrogen to the crop
to compensate for the nitrogen lost to the growing plant by the straw. 
breaking down. Leached nitrogen from this practice gets to our Waterways.

Regards,
          Vic
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>I am doing reasearch on hedgerows as productive spaces on farms.
>My thought are that farmers would be more willing to keep and 
>maintain them for wildlife corridors and wind and soil erosion 
>control if they were also producing lumber, nuts, fruits and other 
>perennial crops. Anyone have experience using black walnut, 
>hickory, chestnuts, hybrid willow "Austrees"
>and shrubs such as blueberry, lamarkii or others for thier 
>commercial value as well as a hedgerow? I am primarily studying 
>land that is used for potato production.

Farmers in Western Australia have been watching some work done at Dowerin
where hedgerows of Tagasaste and Acacia I think, were used to not only
protect sandy soil from erosion, but the effect of the Tagasaste etc. was
an increase in yield. Plus Perenial Grazing. The hedgerows were on the
contour I think and across the prevaling  winds. they were x runs wide of 
the farmers sowing equipment.

At a lancare conference at Northam last year we saw these rows of 
Tagasaste being established for grazing and although they weren't
being especially connected to wildlife corridors the birdlife was 
extensive in them.

Machinery was being built to shape them as hedges so that sheep could 
get the grazing from food out of their reach.

Combinations of cattle and sheep were also being used after establishment.

>Phil Ferraro, Director
>Institute for Bioregional Studies
>449 University Avenue Suite 126            "Developing Local Solutions to 
>Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island	    Global Problems"
>Canada   C1A 8K3
>(902) 892-9578

Regards,
          Vic
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>Regards Jim Mckie (look at posting on landcare in this news group at later 
>date)
>
>Im interested in conversing with small farmers all over the world, send 
>us message...
> 
>jmckie@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au 
>
>An University address but i not an Academic. I just use their link.
>
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>
>>I am doing reasearch on hedgerows as productive spaces on farms.
>>My thought are that farmers would be more willing to keep and
>>maintain them for wildlife corridors and wind and soil erosion
>>control if they were also producing lumber, nuts, fruits and other
>>perennial crops. Anyone have experience using black walnut,
>>hickory, chestnuts, hybrid willow "Austrees"
>>and shrubs such as blueberry, lamarkii or others for thier
>>commercial value as well as a hedgerow? I am primarily studying
>>land that is used for potato production......

Vic,

I can't help thinking that we are guilty of losing the wisdom of the
centuries. Hedging and Ditching was something the old boys used to do after
harvest. It was an art as well as a science, and typically, we started
ripping up the hedges and the practioners died. Why do we reject the past?
Is there something wrong with it?
I went back to the part of Englnad I spent years in some years ago only to
find that all the heges along "our" lane had gone, despite the fact that
the Duke of Wellington owns the land and tries to control in ways which
benefit wildlife etc. What a crime.
I suppose the Canadian should seek info in the folklore books from the UK,
becasue I don't see too many farms in WA doing H & D.

"A house is a machine for living in...." Le Corbusier. Oh really?
(Dr) Bill Parker  : bill@brenta.eepo.dialix.oz.au (+ 619) 328 3804
Box 175 North Perth Western Australia 6006
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I have posted this comment from my friend (Dr)Bill Parker as it is relevant
to the small farm issue and the increase in production that is being 
observed in one of my postings about Tagasate and Acacia hedges at Dowerin.


Regards,
          Vic
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From bettong.eepo.dialix.oz.au!warwick@eepo.dialix.oz.au Fri Oct 28 22:41:42 1994
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Further to Vic's comment, and his inclusion of stuff from Bill Parker,
there are increasing attempts to save the old skills. I have been
ablt to find several in areas of Western Australia, as well as in England.

For those who may have more than a passing interest, there is a very 
good book that I believe would be enough for someone actually wanting 
to do these things:

	The Forgotten Arts
	John Seymour
	Dorling Kindersley, UK for the National Trust
	1984
	ISBN 0-86318-052-3

One chapter is called Crafts of the field: 
Hedge laying, Dry-stone walling, Making stiles, Well Digging, Peat Cutting.

Warwick
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Hello,

I'm currently attempting to set up a WWW page on permaculture.  I know
of the stuff on sunsite, but I was wondering if anyone has anything else
that they would like placed on the web, or who know of other information
which is related to permacultural stuff.

I've just started looking into sources on the net, so I haven't come
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I'd like to put as much information up as possible.  I can only
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>From  November 5th through November 19th, La Tierra Community in
Sebastopol, California (an hour north of San Francisco) will be hosting a
two week Permaculture Design Course with Scott Pittman, founder and
director of the Permaculture Drylands Institute. The cost is $750 and
includes all meals, and camping or tent dormitory. Call (707) 829-8348 or
Permaculture Course c/o Vital Technologies, P. O. Box 279, Sebastopol, CA
95473.

I am not associated with La Tierra, but i attended a two-day Permaculture
workshop there with Bill Moillison and Scott Pittman and it was GREAT. I
assume all readers of this ng are familair with Permaculture, so i will
not bother to describe it. La Tierra is a group of 4 families located on
15 acres of old apple orchards, worn out pasture and sedge wetlands, with
a year-round creek (unusual in California). I assume that some of what
will be done there will be hands-on work setting up swales and ponds, as
these were laid out by Mollison when he gave the two-day workshop. 

The two-week course grants one certification as a Permaculture Design
Trainee and entitles one to use the term Permaculture in pursuit of a
livelihood and for educational purposes. 

Course Topics Include:
Permaculture philosophy and ethics
Principles of natural systems
Permaculture principles and design methodology
Reading the landscape/site analyisis
Soil building/erosion control
Water in the landscape
Village design
Building design/shelters
Energy conservation
Gardening techniques

catherine


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Hello,

I'm currently attempting to set up a WWW page on permaculture.  I know
of the stuff on sunsite, but I was wondering if anyone has anything else
that they would like placed on the web, or who know of other information
which is related to permacultural stuff.

I've just started looking into sources on the net, so I haven't come
across much stuff which is permacultural as yet, aside from sunsite.

I'd like to put as much information up as possible.  I can only
manipulate straight ascii files, however.  URLs would be ideal,
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required.

If anyone knows of any other info which is related to permaculture, I'd
be interested in that too.

Dwayne.


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In article <4.3744.237@euronetis.no>, jan.viste@euronetis.no (Jan Viste)
writes:

There is some things I wonder about. Can anybody tell me what
    permaculture means. My english is not so good so try to use 
    easy words please.

=====

Jan, Permaculture comes from PERMAnent agriCULTURE. The word was made up
by Bill Mollison. Permaculture teaches about designing land use for water
storage, tree crops, forestation, cover crops, fish ponds, soil
conservation, etc. 

In the 1970s Mollison co-wrote "Permaculture One" and "Permaculture two."
Those books have since been replaced by a bigger book, "Permaculture
Designer's Manual." Two books that influenced Bill Mollison were "Tree
Crops: A Permanent Agriculture" by J. Russell Smith (1927) and "Water for
Every Farm" by Yeomans (1960s). 

Mollison lives in Australia. There are now hundreds of Permaculture
Institutes around the world. Students can take 2-week Permaculture courses
in many places and farmers can hire Permaculture designers to help them
lay out their farms for sustainability. 

catherine


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In article <39ptjs$45g@plootu.Helsinki.FI>, laakkone@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tero
Laakkonen) writes:

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having read the book [Permaculture by Bill Mollison] i had the feeling
that his methods would be:

1/ awkward and difficult in practical farming.
2/ unpredictable. no numbers in his book, just gut feeling mostly.
   mollison studiously avoids the use of numbers and resorts to fancy
   sketches.
3/ questionable: how can anybody take seriously a book with "ha-ha fences"
   and "two-person shovels"?

just my opinion. if anybody has any experiences of permaculture working,
let me know. i want numbers, not gut feeling.
========


Bill, i have seen Mollison's farm -- 180 acres. 5 acres has been under
Permaculture for 6 years, the other 175 acres has only been under
Permaculture for 2 years (he moved there recently from Tasmania -- and
there are already 6 productive fish ponds (perch and crayfish) on what was
once dry worn-out pasture. Commercial banana and mango orchards are
growing (3,000 bananas, 600 mangoes), and there is a small area set aside
for reforestation, too (the entire region was rainforest before clearing
for pastures and he wants to bring back some of the native species). He
says that when he moved there, he noted six species of birds on the land
and this year the species count was up to 96, due to increased habitat.
Old books on the natural history of his vicinity state that the area used
to carry 120 species, so he has made significant progress in the area of
recovering species diversity. 

Let me address your 3 objections as best i can: 

1/ awkward and difficult in practical farming.
          Mollison and his crew use heavy equipment, work hard, long
hours, and do not seem to suffer more awkwardness or difficulty than other
local banana and mango farmers. 

2/ unpredictable. no numbers in his book, just gut feeling mostly.
   mollison studiously avoids the use of numbers and resorts to fancy
   sketches.
          Mollison tries to universalize the concepts so that they will
work in all bio-regions. The sketches help that effort, i think. As for
numbers, i agree -- he is weak on that, especially when it comes to the
caloric input/output of intensive farming...but i tend to combine
Mollison's design ideas with the caloric counting of the extremely number
conscious John Jeavons (Bio-Intensive Mini-Farming) to arrive at hard data
on sustainable practices.

3/ questionable: how can anybody take seriously a book with "ha-ha fences"
   and "two-person shovels"?
          Tero, forgive me if i assume that English is not your first
language and that this objection of yours is based on ignorance of English
idioms. A "ha-ha fence" (and yes, that IS the proper English term, dating
back to the 1700s at least) is a boundary that confines animals by means
of terracing, moats, or other earth-works. It is called a "ha-ha" because
although from the back-side, you will see the moats or earthworks, viewing
it from the other direction it looks like there is no fence (that is,
looking over the greensward you cannot see the moats that keep the animals
>from  approaching closer to you), so it fools you ("ha-ha"). A "two-person
shovel" is just that -- a leverage-shovel used by two people. Do you not
have those in Finland? They are not common here, because most people use
gasoline powered tools, but the local organic/sustainable farm supply
store down the road from me sells them under that exact same name. 

catherine


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From: cyronwode@aol.com (Cyronwode)
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Subject: Permaculture Design Course - CA
Date: 2 Nov 1994 21:43:03 -0500

>From  November 5th through November 19th, La Tierra Community in
Sebastopol, California (an hour north of San Francisco) will be hosting a
two week Permaculture Design Course with Scott Pittman, founder and
director of the Permaculture Drylands Institute. The cost is $750 and
includes all meals, and camping or tent dormitory. Call (707) 829-8348 or
Permaculture Course c/o Vital Technologies, P. O. Box 279, Sebastopol, CA
95473.

I am not associated with La Tierra, but i attended a two-day Permaculture
workshop there with Bill Moillison and Scott Pittman and it was GREAT. I
assume all readers of this ng are familair with Permaculture, so i will
not bother to describe it. La Tierra is a group of 4 families located on
15 acres of old apple orchards, worn out pasture and sedge wetlands, with
a year-round creek (unusual in California). I assume that some of what
will be done there will be hands-on work setting up swales and ponds, as
these were laid out by Mollison when he gave the two-day workshop. 

The two-week course grants one certification as a Permaculture Design
Trainee and entitles one to use the term Permaculture in pursuit of a
livelihood and for educational purposes. 

Course Topics Include:
Permaculture philosophy and ethics
Principles of natural systems
Permaculture principles and design methodology
Reading the landscape/site analyisis
Soil building/erosion control
Water in the landscape
Village design
Building design/shelters
Energy conservation
Gardening techniques

catherine
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In article <1994Nov8.084831.17702@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>,
hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Dwayne Jones-Evans) writes:

<I'm currently attempting to set up a WWW page on permaculture. >

Do you want book titles, addresses, what? Let me know. I am currently
working on a book on sustainable ag from a gardener's (not farmer's) point
of view and have accumulated much infor on Permaculture i'd be willing to
share. 

catherine


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Hi, thanks for the permaculture information. I am going to be developing a
resources appendix to the book i am producing for Seeds of Change, and i will
email you a copy of whatever data i accumulate when it is done, which will
not be soon, because at present i am only oin chapter 3 of the book. The
project will wrap up by april, 1995, so look for a list of books, addresses,
etc, before then.

catherine

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Following your note in alt.sustainable agriculture, is it possible to subscribe to 
to permaculture-mg or does gated read only to the alt.sus.ag mean just that?
also how are the archives organised.? Is . What advice would you give a 
Permaculture group wishing to contribute articles on pc topics?
Many thanks Angus Claydon e3480209@ncku.edu.tw

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I have 2 info requests. 
First, I have access to large volumes of roughly 
chipped hardwood limbs with a small amount of foliage and coniferous 
limbs mixed in. (These materials were chipped by a road maintenance crew.)
Black cherry is probably the dominant hardwood constituent.
I am looking for a method of accelerating the decomposition of  
these materials so that I can use them as a soil amendment. I am 
wondering if there is a species of fungi that I can innoculate or 
encourage to accelerate the break down of such high lignin materials. 
Where can I find good information on the biochemistry of fungal digestion of 
high ligno-cellulosic materials ? Is there an edible species of mushroom 
that I can culture on this material ?

Where can I find information on the cultivation of the wild edible 
plant (Apios americana, common name: ground nut) ? Who is researching the 
economic potential of this plant ? Where can I obtain seeds, cuttings... of 
groundnuts selected for desirable traits ?

Joel Gruver
Hampshire College Farm Center
(413) 582-5348
jgruver@hamp.hampshire.edu


