From toria@pop.uky.edu Tue Jan 30 16:51:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.uky.edu ([128.163.2.17]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:55:32 -0500 Received: from pop.uky.edu (pop.uky.edu [128.163.2.16]) by smtp.uky.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA50127 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ncc.uky.edu.uky.edu ([128.163.196.145]) by pop.uky.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04618 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: toria@pop.uky.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:51:10 -0500 To: "market farming" From: Victoria Mundy Bhavsar Subject: perennial weeds and deer damage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91801@market-farming> Hello everyone, I need some unusual help. I'm about to take my Ph.D. oral exam, where six professors fire question after question at the hapless student. If I pass, I'm supposed to be smart enough to get a Ph.D. Mine is in soil microbiology, working with organic farms. One of my profs was very kind and told me exactly what he wants to know on the orals: how effective is organic weed control for perennial weeds like johnsongrass; what sort of damage deer do to organic farms; and what deer control measures organic farmers might support! Well, these seem like questions to be referred to the group! I know what people *can* do (theoretically), but not what they *actually* do. Believe me, I will give credit where it's due, and if you all can help me pass my orals I'd be awfully grateful! Reply to me privately if you like, but my guess is that some of these topics might be of general interest. Thanks ever so much, Victoria ************************************* Victoria M. Bhavsar Dept. of Agronomy N106R Ag. Sci. North, UK Lexington, KY 40546-0091 606/257-2103 ...But other seed fell into good soil and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold... St. Matthew 13:8 ************************************* From potzkai@hotmail.com Tue Jan 30 17:26:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.17.114]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:26:18 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:26:16 -0800 Received: from 204.244.90.164 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:26:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.244.90.164] From: "Brian and Jacqueline Potzkai" To: market-farming@franklin.oit.unc.edu Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:26:15 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 22:26:16.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8E6C110:01C08B0B] Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91806@market-farming> >Hi Victoria, I don't know if this is much help - but, we have a deer problem that we've been handling perhaps unconventionally. They like to come in and eat our strawberries. They do serious damage to the plastic that was used to hold down moisture and weeds and allow the strawberries to grow without competition. The plastic was there when we took over the farm so we now know not to use it when we put in the new fields. The deer come into the field - graze a bit - then I guess they just lay down for a snooze. We've come across the area where large animals have obviously put there feet up so to speak. How we handle it is - we let them, and we don't disturb there nesting area. They seem to always go back to the same place. They don't consume to the amount that we are concerned about it. Good luck with your exams, Jacqueline From: Victoria Mundy Bhavsar >Reply-To: "market farming" >To: "market farming" >Subject: perennial weeds and deer damage >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:51:10 -0500 > >Hello everyone, >I need some unusual help. I'm about to take my Ph.D. oral exam, where six >professors fire question after question at the hapless student. If I pass, >I'm supposed to be smart enough to get a Ph.D. Mine is in soil >microbiology, working with organic farms. > >One of my profs was very kind and told me exactly what he wants to know on >the orals: how effective is organic weed control for perennial weeds like >johnsongrass; what sort of damage deer do to organic farms; and what deer >control measures organic farmers might support! > >Well, these seem like questions to be referred to the group! I know what >people *can* do (theoretically), but not what they *actually* do. Believe >me, I will give credit where it's due, and if you all can help me pass my >orals I'd be awfully grateful! > >Reply to me privately if you like, but my guess is that some of these >topics might be of general interest. > >Thanks ever so much, >Victoria >************************************* >Victoria M. Bhavsar >Dept. of Agronomy >N106R Ag. Sci. North, UK >Lexington, KY 40546-0091 >606/257-2103 >...But other seed fell into good soil and brought >forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, >some thirtyfold... St. Matthew 13:8 >************************************* > >--- >You are currently subscribed to market-farming as: potzkai@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-market-farming@franklin.oit.unc.edu >Get the list FAQ at: >http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/market-farming.faq _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From rbfarr@erols.com Tue Jan 30 18:05:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:08:53 -0500 Received: from 216-164-223-124.s124.tnt2.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.223.124] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14NjtG-0006Nd-00 ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:08:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:05:30 -0500 From: Robert Farr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-NE (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: market farming Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91812@market-farming> As an organic grower - oops! can I still say that w/ the new govt. regs??? - I believe a good rifle to be effective deer control. I also let the local rednecks come and bang away. Dogs are also great deer control - I have a part Australian Shepherd who herds the deer off the property. Deer do less damage with the dogs here, that's for sure. I have a short Word doc. about deer control that I compiled from advice from the several listservs I subscribe to. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list and I'll forward it. BioDynamic practitioners swear by peppering - the burning of an animal skin (or an insect) when the moon passes through certain constellations. If you'd like to know about this control, I'll dig through my notes. It is reported to be *very* effective; you just have to suspend your disbelief. For Johnson Grass - a noxious weed where I am (Loudoun County, Va.) - we have to dig it out, then mulch. But this *is* an effective control. Good luck with your exams! -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 Check out http://www.thechileman.com for Hot Sauces, Salsas, Mustards & More! From lh@pressroom.com Tue Jan 30 18:15:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dorsey.fcc.net ([207.198.253.29]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:16:30 -0500 Received: from [216.25.203.242] ([216.25.202.225]) by dorsey.fcc.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57968U12500L1250S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:18:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:15:36 -0500 To: "market farming" From: Leigh Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91813@market-farming> We are probably the all time experts on deer damage. We're trying to farm in the middle of a forest, on the west live several billionaires with a 20,000 acres forest with no hunting allowed and on the east are the rapidly approaching suburbs pushing the wildlife before it. We could sit out in our fields and shoot deer all day and we would still lose our crops. We have tried just about everything and here is what works: the two fences of different heights works reasonably well when the deer aren't really hungry but, for us, is cost prohibitive. What works, for the summer when there is plenty for the deer to eat in the forest, is the peanut butter electric fence. We have 5 foot woven wire around our 5 acres of vegetables. On top of that we run electric fence ( the deer, of course can jump this from a standstill). Over the electric fence we put tinfoil with a healthy smear of peanut butter. The deer come up, lick the peanut butter and the shock sends them away. But, it only takes one, or two deer to mow down a crop and this doesn't work come last September and October (or in April and May) when the deer get hungry Last year, though, on one side of our vegetables, the side where the deer mostly entered, we put in a narrow fenced area that ran the entire length of the crop area and pastured several pigs. Something about the pigs (smell, size, sound) deterred the deer. this was the only thing that worked in the fall when the deer got hungry. The deer would not enter from that direction until we took the pigs to the butcher. This coming season we are putting in another 'pig pasture' on the other side. Since our vegetable fields are more or less a rectangle with our home on one end this will guard 3 sides. The unguarded side has been the one least attacked by the deer and I intend to put up extra peanut butter fence. What hasn't worked rotten egg mixture- maybe that day, or maybe that week, but it isn't fool proof and it only takes once. dog - which breed is important. But sooner or later the deer and the dog get accustomed to each other. And a dog running through the vegetables causes a lot of damage. human hair - see eggs commercial repellant - see eggs sitting out in the field with a rifle -that's a lot of nights to be out late and up early. growing extra vegetable just for the deer (shareholders suggest this one) deer are like people and rats, their appetite knows no bounds. growing vine crops around the edge of your field - this was suggested by someone on a list and kind of works. I think it depends on the vines. Pumpkins and winter squash don't really work. Come October deer will eat squash, and come late October they will eat squash leaves. Last year we put our sweet potato crops on the edge. the deer got in during the middle of the summer and ate the leaves from the vines, and once or twice caused a lot of damage (they seem to really like young sweet potato leaves and not old ones) but they tended not to cut across the sp crop area and instead went around the edges. This mean the fall Chinese cabbage and broccoli we had growing next to it got munched on the row ends. (deer lover broccoli, right behind spinach and just in front of string bean leaves). A radio out in the field that goes on and off all night long - this actually works for several weeks until the deer get accustomed to the sound. We've tried changing stations and putting the radio on a timer. No good. One year the only peppers the deer didn't eat the buds from (yes, deer prefer sweet pepper buds over hot peppers, but they will eat hot pepper buds) were the ones growing next to the dill. We thought we had discovered something and the next year planted dill around the edge of the fields. The deer loved the dill, one day I went out and there wasn't a dill plant left on the place. it turned out it was just the dill smell that masked the peppers. They prefer peppers over dill. but prefer dill over tomato plants (we have discovered a real hierarchy of deer taste. A deer will travel miles to eat spinach but have to be desperate to much a tomato plant). There are probably a lot of other things we have tried and I'm missing here. Again, the most effective all year deterrence has proven to be pigs. From guldann@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 30 19:04:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:03:09 -0500 Received: from petehook (dialup-63.214.109.114.Boston1.Level3.net [63.214.109.114]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07724 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:03:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Hook Family" To: "market farming" References: Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:04:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91816@market-farming> Fingers crossed and said as a whisper we don't have any deer problem, I suspect it could be for two reasons, still enough habitat left (woods) surrounding us. And the coyote population that lives around here also. I was reading your post, and all the things you have placed at your perimeter and my thought turned to those nasty, now weeds multiflora roses. I am not suggesting that you plant those specifically but what about plants with thorns, roses, various berries etc. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Leigh To: market farming Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage > We are probably the all time experts on deer damage. We're trying to > farm in the middle of a forest, on the west live several billionaires > with a 20,000 acres forest with no hunting allowed and on the east > are the rapidly approaching suburbs pushing the wildlife before it. > We could sit out in our fields and shoot deer all day and we would > still lose our crops. From lh@pressroom.com Tue Jan 30 19:26:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dorsey.fcc.net ([207.198.253.29]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:29:59 -0500 Received: from [216.25.203.242] ([216.25.202.94]) by dorsey.fcc.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57968U12500L1250S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:28:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:26:04 -0500 To: "market farming" From: Leigh Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91818@market-farming> > multiflora roses. deer like to eat mutiflora roses and blackberries. The area I put the pigs in was overgrown with them and in the spring (before the pigs) the deer would be down there munching all day long in the spring when the leaves just come out. We are just getting coyotes in this area. Not enough to make a difference. I always say, lets reintroduce the wolf. I think it would be cute seeing a pack of wolves running across the McEstates they are building to the east of us. Maybe they might eat a couple of the owners and keep down that problem population too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to market-farming as: lh@pressroom.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-market-farming@franklin.oit.unc.edu >Get the list FAQ at: >http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/market-farming.faq From guldann@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 30 19:42:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:41:04 -0500 Received: from petehook (dialup-63.214.109.114.Boston1.Level3.net [63.214.109.114]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19144 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Hook Family" To: "market farming" References: Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:42:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91821@market-farming> LOL, have I got a patch of multiflora roses for your deer....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Leigh To: market farming Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage > > multiflora roses. > > deer like to eat mutiflora roses and blackberries. The area I put > the pigs in was overgrown with them and in the spring (before the > pigs) the deer would be down there munching all day long in the > spring when the leaves just come out. > > We are just getting coyotes in this area. Not enough to make a > difference. I always say, lets reintroduce the wolf. I think it > would be cute seeing a pack of wolves running across the McEstates > they are building to the east of us. Maybe they might eat a couple > of the owners and keep down that problem population too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >You are currently subscribed to market-farming as: lh@pressroom.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-market-farming@franklin.oit.unc.edu > >Get the list FAQ at: > >http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/market-farming.faq > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to market-farming as: guldann@ix.netcom.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-market-farming@franklin.oit.unc.edu > Get the list FAQ at: http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/market-farming.faq From rbfarr@erols.com Tue Jan 30 19:47:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:51:43 -0500 Received: from 216-164-223-124.s124.tnt2.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.223.124] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14NlUl-0000JU-00 ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:51:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:47:48 -0500 From: Robert Farr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-NE (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: market farming Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91822@market-farming> What about a hedge of Osage Orange? The Native Americans used Osage Orange for both hedges and war clubs. Great thick thorny growth - and obviously a hardwood. -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 Check out http://www.thechileman.com for Hot Sauces, Salsas, Mustards & More! From hcf@moment.net Tue Jan 30 23:50:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from moment.net ([204.96.220.2]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:52:29 -0500 Received: from hcf (mf3-81.moment.net [199.3.116.81]) by moment.net with esmtp; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:52:21 -0600 From: "Gary & Sarah Rowland" To: "market farming" References: Subject: Re: perennial weeds and deer damage Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:50:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Newsgroups: market-farming Path: market-farming Message-Id: <91864@market-farming> Here in central Texas, Johnsongrass responds really well to cold steel [hoeing] and drought. Long as you get it early and it stays dry no problem. If it gets wet you fight till it gets dry again. We started out 10 years ago with an electric fence and peanut butter bait and it worked until it got dry. When the surrounding areas go brown and all that remains green is the drip irrigated veg, get out of the way cause here they come. Deer would rather go under than over unless being chased. So we put up 48" net fence and then put barb wire above at 4", 8",10"12"and 14" and that cured the problem. I've got 17 acres inside the fence and at that time it was $7000 and a lot of hard work to put it up. But we had 20 deer a night making the salad bar and you can't fill them up. Once they find easy pickings their back for more. Gary Hairston Creek Farm Burnet, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Victoria Mundy Bhavsar To: market farming Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: perennial weeds and deer damage > Hello everyone, > I need some unusual help. I'm about to take my Ph.D. oral exam, where six > professors fire question after question at the hapless student. If I pass, > I'm supposed to be smart enough to get a Ph.D. Mine is in soil > microbiology, working with organic farms. > > One of my profs was very kind and told me exactly what he wants to know on > the orals: how effective is organic weed control for perennial weeds like > johnsongrass; what sort of damage deer do to organic farms; and what deer > control measures organic farmers might support! > > Well, these seem like questions to be referred to the group! I know what > people *can* do (theoretically), but not what they *actually* do. Believe > me, I will give credit where it's due, and if you all can help me pass my > orals I'd be awfully grateful! > > Reply to me privately if you like, but my guess is that some of these > topics might be of general interest. > > Thanks ever so much, > Victoria > ************************************* > Victoria M. Bhavsar > Dept. of Agronomy > N106R Ag. Sci. North, UK > Lexington, KY 40546-0091 > 606/257-2103 > ...But other seed fell into good soil and brought > forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, > some thirtyfold... St. Matthew 13:8 > ************************************* > > --- > You are currently subscribed to market-farming as: hcf@moment.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-market-farming@franklin.oit.unc.edu > Get the list FAQ at: http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/market-farming.faq From hemenway@jeffnet.org Wed Jun 13 10:23:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jeffnet.org ([64.32.61.1]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:25:41 -0400 Received: from [204.203.89.20] ([204.203.89.20]) by jeffnet.org ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:25:17 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:23:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Deer From: Toby Hemenway To: permaculture In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: permaculture Path: permaculture Message-Id: <113400@permaculture> Jeffrey Newman wrote: > Any ideas out there about how to keep deer out of a vegetable garden Thanks to some advice from folks on this list a few months ago, I enclosed a garden here in Oregon with 2 concentric 4-foot high fences about 5 feet apart, much easier than the usual 8-footer that Fish & Wildlife recommends. We have very aggressive mule deer here; they tear down flimsy fences and leap over 6-footers. They can leap high but not wide, so the 2 low fences have deterred them. Added bonus: you can grow a hedgerow in the alley between the fences. The fencing need not be tightly tensioned, just loosely strung but fastened well to the posts so it stays upright. That makes construction a snap. I've tried all the scent, hair, soap, urine, fish-line, etc, tricks. Our deer get used to them, and I have heard them chuckling as they head for the food. Toby From ktopek@bellsouth.net Wed Jun 13 07:35:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imf12bis.bellsouth.net ([205.152.58.32]) by franklin.oit.unc.edu with SMTP (Lyris List Manager SOLARIS/SPARC version 4.0); Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:34:44 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([209.214.162.51]) by imf12bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.01.01 201-252-104) with SMTP id <20010613113514.VRVC7728.imf12bis.bellsouth.net@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:35:14 -0400 From: "Kevin Topek" To: "permaculture" References: Subject: Re: Deer Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:35:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Newsgroups: permaculture Path: permaculture Message-Id: <113373@permaculture> Try placing very inexpensive air fresheners around the perimeter of your garden. Open the mechanism all the way to allow for maximum smell. The solid Renuzits for less than $1 US are the best. The deer don't like the smell and will shy away from it. The area will smell like a very fresh bathroom, yuk, but you will have much less deer traffic and no one is harmed. This method has worked very well in high density deer areas in Texas and North Carolina, USA. Best of luck! Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Newman To: permaculture Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:06 AM Subject: Deer > Any ideas out there about how to keep deer out of a vegetable garden or > at least to find a way to keep them from getting more than their fare > share. Is a ten-foot fence the only way? We're talking about mule deer > in this case. > > -- Jeffrey > > ******************************* > Jeffrey Newman > > JN Web Design > http://www.jnweb.com/ > Phone: 1 250 791-9206 > Fax: 1 250 791-9207 > E-Mail: jn@jnweb.com > ICQ: 9879310 > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to permaculture as: ktopek@bellsouth.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu > Get the list FAQ at: http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/permaculture.faq >