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Title: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: Graham2001 on April 03, 2008, 07:20:13 PM
Someone has started a 'Do you prefer AMSO or NASSP?' thread on the Orbiter-Forum.com site.

So far only six people have voted, but AMSO is in the lead at the moment.

See: http://www.orbiter-forum.com/showthread.php?t=1074


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: ryan on April 03, 2008, 08:59:15 PM
I was that someone who started it, is that a problem, i just wanted to see if someone prefered which.


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: ryan on April 03, 2008, 09:09:52 PM
If it is a problem do you want me to delete it?


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: irnenginer on April 03, 2008, 11:40:31 PM
I don't think it is a problem. (either that there is a poll or that AMSO is "beating us")

For myself I would say its an apples and oranges and timing thing. AMSO is comparatively much more mature then NASSP in what their goal is. We really have yet to even start on the LM in a major way. Most people I think of 6.4.3 when talking about NASSP which is missing a lot of the wiz bang that we have put together since then. In the end our focus as I see it is more technical accuracy anyway. When people see what has been done with the Virtual AGC and all the other systems we have put together we will blow the socks off quite a few people.

In a sentence I would say "Sure it looks cool, but can you rendezvous with another spacecraft using a virtual onboard navigation computer and simulated optical sight WITHOUT using a MFD"  :evil:



Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: ryan on April 04, 2008, 06:19:48 AM
I rekon the AGC just makes things more complicated than it has to. :|


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: Tschachim on April 04, 2008, 07:11:34 AM
I've no problem at all with the poll and I don't wonder about the result, mainly because of the reasons irnenginer already pointed out. To be honest, personally I'm very happy that AMSO (and this poll) exists, these AMSO vs. NASSP discussions promote NASSP quite nicely, more than the beta releases would do alone, see Mission_CDR's posts over there.

Cheers
Tschachim


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: NoName on April 04, 2008, 09:08:21 AM
I don't visit orbiter-forum.com so this is a real news for me.

I also don't have any problems with the poll. The result also doesn't wonder me since AMSO is released and updated frequently on the forums, compared to NASSP which even isn't beta yet and not really usable at the moment, especially the lunar landing missions.

If I take a look at AMSO from the viewpoint of a user, well, what do I need more if I'm interested in simulating complete Apollo missions? But once NASSP really becomes usable (including the LEM, landing sites too and also such a nice environment like AMSO) things getting interesting... :Excited432:     


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: ryan on April 04, 2008, 06:20:15 PM
Thanks guys, i almost had a cardiac arrest becuase i thought you wanted me to delete the thread :Excited432:


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: ACSoft on April 15, 2008, 01:37:59 PM
In a sentence I would say "Sure it looks cool, but can you rendezvous with another spacecraft using a virtual onboard navigation computer and simulated optical sight WITHOUT using a MFD"  :evil:

In actual AMSO version you can perform all dockings from virtual cockpits and WITHOUT to use a MFD. You can even perform a rendezvous docking from the LM VC, if you wish.

ACS


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: kneecaps on May 03, 2008, 05:20:23 AM
I rekon the AGC just makes things more complicated than it has to. :|

Because what your looking for is at a different level to what NASSP is currently aiming for. AMSO is about having a resonable level of difficulty so the majority of casually interested in Apollo/Orbiter can fly to the moon and back.

It's not about if you have to use MFD's or not..it's about attempting to get the sim to a point where EVERYTHING that was done on Apollo can be done in the way it was in reality. The truth of this is it makes it hard..but then going to the Moon and back was hard.

What we are talking about here is different brands of fun. In the flight sim world you have LOMAC and Falcon. Both fun to their different camps of people who enjoy them..but vastly different levels of realism.

I've been involved in enough 'holy wars' of this vs. that to know that people should just do what they have the most fun doing!



Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: Zachstar on May 03, 2008, 05:28:40 AM
I was that someone who started it, is that a problem, i just wanted to see if someone prefered which.

Well knowing that PA is multiple months from a next version and there has not been a version out in years...

It was Obvious so I see no reason why you posted such a poll. AMSO has name recognition across the board for now.


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: kneecaps on May 03, 2008, 06:41:46 AM
I was that someone who started it, is that a problem, i just wanted to see if someone prefered which.

Well knowing that PA is multiple months from a next version and there has not been a version out in years...

It was Obvious so I see no reason why you posted such a poll. AMSO has name recognition across the board for now.

Don't sweat, it doesn't really matter! Are we in a AMSO vs NASSP situation? Nope...lets just keep doing what we all do :)


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: Swatch on May 31, 2008, 03:46:51 PM
In a sentence I would say "Sure it looks cool, but can you rendezvous with another spacecraft using a virtual onboard navigation computer and simulated optical sight WITHOUT using a MFD"  :evil:

In actual AMSO version you can perform all dockings from virtual cockpits and WITHOUT to use a MFD. You can even perform a rendezvous docking from the LM VC, if you wish.

ACS


Alain...  I believe irengineer was referring to our addition of optics and they're use in the rendezvous and not docking...    They are two separate things.  AMSO and NASSP both do docking without MFD's, but irengineer may be referring to the rendezvous part of it.


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: retro on September 24, 2008, 03:19:02 PM
Ill vote right here,right now NASSP NASSP NASSP   :ThumbsUp432:

There both good i just like Nassp Better!


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: constellation on March 04, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
Ill vote right here,right now NASSP NASSP NASSP   :ThumbsUp432:

There both good i just like Nassp Better!

I see this thread/post is quite a few years old.. I don't want to start any trouble or anything, just wondering, these days what is better? The NASSP 7 beta that is unfinished but quite excellent with the vAGC or the current AMSO?

I just got started with the latest NASSP 7 a few days ago, and honestly haven't even heard of AMSO until I bumped into this thread. I'm downloading AMSO now and giving it a test try too.. Anyone here that plays both these addons which one do you think is better? What are the pro and con of each version in their current iterations? Which teams are developing faster or have higher ambitions for realism?


Any honest opinions?


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: FordPrefect on March 13, 2010, 04:52:20 AM
It solely depends on your personal preferences.  AMSO is excellent. Project Apollo too. Even more once we have the lunar landing missions included.  :D


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: kneecaps on March 13, 2010, 01:52:12 PM
All I can say is there's realism and there is REALISM. AMSO is realistic to those who would consider the Spaceshuttle Mission 2007 SIM realistic. It's realistic to point of being usable/playable and there is and always has been a definite emphasis on graphical prettiness which people always find impressive.

NASSP on the other hand goes for REALISM, the problem is this level of realism is going to be too much for somebody looking to make a casual dip into Apollo in the orbiter environment. I'm sure I speak for most NASSP users when I say, we have been studying Apollo for years and simming it with the vAGC/Orbiter/NASSP and we all still have so much to learn.

AMSO and NASSP are not competitors but are complimentary projects. The vast majority of people may not have an interest in the most detailed realities of Apollo. Many people may want to experience the (virtual) thrill and journey of a voyage to the moon without having to concern themselves with P52s, REFSMMATs and PTC rolls. For those that enjoy the minute details there is NASSP :)

It doesn't matter which you use, as long as you are enjoying it!


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: retro on March 15, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
Well said Kneecaps :ThumbsUp432:


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: STS-52 on March 22, 2010, 05:26:17 PM

       Greetings folks,
 
     I'm a rookie here, and haven't had it  (Orbiter) on my computer long enough to decide
     which one is better.  But as stated earlier as long as you enjoy it who cares.


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: kingtim on March 30, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
He asked the exact same question... I've read a few things but am curious too.

Which is better? Why? I'm only an amateur in the subject of space exploration and would love to see the opinion of some educated folks


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: NLS le pingouin on March 31, 2010, 12:12:59 AM
AMSO is the best. You have cool animation and it is not really difficult to go to the moon. It is a finished addon. You can walk on the moon and do all the stuff that astronauts really does.

NASSP is also the best. You have to read the Apollo Handbook Manual and follow real checklist. You can play with CSM systems and understand how all this is working. But it is a hard thing to learn.

I think the correct answer would be : "Orbiter is the best : you can do almost all you want, except making coffe with it. But this is not a problem : you can drink coffe while playing with Orbiter." More seriously, those two add-on are really cool. In both case, you go to the Moon but the concepts are different. You will have to try them both if you want an answer.


Title: Re: We might have a publicity problem
Post by: kingtim on June 02, 2010, 06:42:17 PM
Well, if the post is a few years old then it seems the publicity problem is gone... or a few years old.

I can see value in both. But, then again, it's hard for me to decide on dinner let alone these two.


All in all, good work making something valuable.

Kudos!